| 00:00.11 | dmj7261 | wait...that's just ogl 1.1 |
| 00:00.14 | dmj7261 | rats! |
| 00:00.39 | luke-jr | has been looking at devices for months now, and can't find one that suits his needs. |
| 00:01.18 | yigal | luke-jr: no I've been looking for years, I'm just talking about recently it has come to my attention that it is time to actually purchase a new device |
| 00:04.47 | *** join/#maemo trbs_ (n=trbs@82-169-23-132.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 00:04.59 | yigal | http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productnotfound.aspx?c=us&l=en&orig_s=corp&sku=A3076016&s=dhs |
| 00:05.16 | yigal | is there another place to look or has Dell stopped selling the n900? |
| 00:06.16 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 00:06.17 | crashanddie | yigal, why would you want to buy the N900 from Dell? |
| 00:06.41 | *** join/#maemo SmilybOrg (i=Smily@BSN-143-112-195.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 00:06.58 | lcuk | crashanddie, price |
| 00:08.08 | yigal | crashanddie: because it's $100 cheaper via dell $440 or so |
| 00:08.27 | SmilybOrg | hi guys, i'm having problems setting up folder sharing :| |
| 00:08.35 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, they take them off their website once all of the ones they have are sold. |
| 00:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | yigal, so it probably wont be back until after it ships. |
| 00:08.51 | yigal | GeneralAntilles: well at least it's selling |
| 00:08.55 | yigal | :D |
| 00:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 00:10.12 | *** join/#maemo kalikianatoli (n=kalikian@xfce/goodies-developer/kalikiana) |
| 00:10.22 | crashanddie | SmilybOrg, our balls ain't made out of crystal, mind being a bit more specific? |
| 00:10.27 | dmj7261 | It seems to me that the n900 is selling well enough to likely be considered at least a mild success. |
| 00:10.32 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, can I get a mask? |
| 00:10.54 | crashanddie | tries to ignore naysayers comments |
| 00:11.24 | SmilybOrg | yeah, i'm wondering if i have to do something extra in windows (the host system) apart from running eclipse |
| 00:11.37 | SmilybOrg | just a moment, i'm going to paste the error |
| 00:11.58 | crashanddie | Smily, not in here you're not |
| 00:12.21 | Smily | i meant into a pastebin :) |
| 00:13.08 | *** join/#maemo Rhoruns (n=Rhoruns@ip98-165-84-98.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 00:14.23 | Smily | http://pastebin.com/m46e27037 |
| 00:14.39 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@54.200.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 00:14.40 | Smily | i can ssh into the maemo machine with putty fine |
| 00:16.55 | crashanddie | Smily, is that on your NIT or PC? |
| 00:17.31 | Smily | that's what esbox displays while trying to validate my virtual machine |
| 00:17.35 | Smily | oh |
| 00:17.46 | crashanddie | you missed a colon |
| 00:17.54 | crashanddie | ssh://maemo@127.0.0.1:2222/home/maemo/shared/__testfile.txt |
| 00:18.01 | crashanddie | 127.0.0.1:2222 |
| 00:18.04 | crashanddie | is invalid |
| 00:18.22 | crashanddie | the colon should be :/path/to/wherever |
| 00:18.50 | Smily | uh, i didn't write that, esbox displayed it like that |
| 00:19.02 | Smily | i can just enter the addresses and ports |
| 00:19.16 | crashanddie | ok |
| 00:19.21 | *** join/#maemo letusgothen_ (n=letusgot@76-10-153-137.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:19.34 | crashanddie | is localhost:2222 a valid port? |
| 00:19.40 | crashanddie | I mean, is port 2222 forwarded to your computer? |
| 00:20.43 | Smily | wth, when i show details on the error dialog box, i get this: http://pastebin.com/m483e4701 |
| 00:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, sure, why not. |
| 00:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | As soon as X-Fade gets back from vaaction. |
| 00:21.09 | Smily | is that correct? |
| 00:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, tired of your current one? ;) |
| 00:21.19 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nah |
| 00:21.27 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but it has to be cool (the new one) |
| 00:21.31 | crashanddie | I'm only going for the bling! |
| 00:21.41 | Smily | crashanddie i can ssh into the VM with 127.0.0.1 at 2222 fine |
| 00:21.45 | Smily | i get the shell |
| 00:24.28 | Smily | i assume my share settings are incorrect: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14681/ESboxSharing.png |
| 00:25.13 | *** join/#maemo viq (n=viq@unaffiliated/viq) |
| 00:27.33 | Smily | also, there's a nasty error that forces me to forcequit eclipse: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14681/ESboxError.png |
| 00:28.02 | Smily | since i can't close the dialog box and i can't use eclipse because there's a dialog opened :| |
| 00:33.05 | timeless_mbp | sigh |
| 00:33.13 | timeless_mbp | should have signed up for this thing a month ago |
| 00:33.24 | timeless_mbp | hey, who lives in .uk? |
| 00:34.00 | Xisdibik | dot uk? is that different than uk? |
| 00:34.33 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 00:35.22 | crashanddie | hahaha |
| 00:35.23 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOW_IaB3S4c&feature=related |
| 00:35.42 | crashanddie | if you want your N900 to ship, go go now |
| 00:35.47 | crashanddie | timeless, I do, why? |
| 00:35.49 | Xisdibik | who was I talking to the other day about the Ovi Maps routing plugin being bollocksed for Firefox 3.6 |
| 00:36.44 | timeless_mbp | me? |
| 00:38.56 | Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: maybe ;) |
| 00:39.08 | Xisdibik | does it not work in 3.5 also? |
| 00:39.12 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 00:39.23 | Xisdibik | no, it works, or doesnt :P |
| 00:39.26 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that the obsoleted before ff1.0 api was finally removed for ff3.6 |
| 00:39.34 | timeless_mbp | so anything before ff3.6 would "mostly work" |
| 00:39.58 | Xisdibik | Im gathering then that its just theres no plugin whatsoever for linux? as im using 3.5 now and it said plugin not compatible :P |
| 00:40.03 | *** join/#maemo b-man17 (n=b-man17@pool-98-115-74-139.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 00:40.07 | timeless_mbp | try wine? |
| 00:40.19 | Xisdibik | im not in any rush so its ok |
| 00:40.26 | *** join/#maemo emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 00:40.49 | timeless_mbp | so.... technically their sources exist for linux, which is how it can build for maemo |
| 00:41.02 | timeless_mbp | but they're under no obligation to expose it via maps.ovi.com |
| 00:41.15 | timeless_mbp | and given how poor it is, i'm not going to ask them to do so |
| 00:41.35 | Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: haha yea, but once they put out the new correct one on the new API, hopefully they will put out a linux one as well |
| 00:41.48 | timeless_mbp | if wishes were horses... |
| 00:41.58 | Xisdibik | neigh? |
| 00:43.59 | b-man17 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/images/mer/mer-installer.png - doing a complete rewrite of mer-installer in pygtk :) |
| 00:50.51 | *** join/#maemo Tyrant91102 (n=tyrant@cpe-76-95-141-51.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:53.33 | *** join/#maemo Milhouse (n=irc_milh@dsl-217-155-26-150.zen.co.uk) |
| 00:54.54 | *** join/#maemo Vulcanis (n=CBabbage@uhartford236105.hartford.edu) |
| 01:02.13 | *** join/#maemo Kt_ (n=Kirsat@24.99.39.10) |
| 01:14.48 | *** join/#maemo MrGoose (n=cache@5ac515c3.bb.sky.com) |
| 01:18.06 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 01:19.11 | *** join/#maemo kynky (n=robert@kynky.net) |
| 01:22.34 | doc|home | is mer usable (stable) now? |
| 01:24.38 | *** join/#maemo hellwolf-n810 (n=hellwolf@109.50.50.4) |
| 01:29.12 | *** join/#maemo lubomir (n=lubomir@koln-4db4b28f.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 01:29.21 | lubomir | hello |
| 01:29.57 | lubomir | quick question: is it possible to connect and use an external gps bluetooth mouse? |
| 01:30.13 | lubomir | with android linux thats not possible |
| 01:30.28 | ShadowJK | i suspect the pointer remains invisible :) |
| 01:31.10 | crashanddie | external gps bluetooth mouse? |
| 01:31.20 | ShadowJK | wait what |
| 01:31.39 | ShadowJK | lubomir, do you mean bluetooth mouse or do you mean bluetooth gps? |
| 01:32.24 | lubomir | ShadowJK, okay, when you ask like that - both. I also have an bluetooth laser mouse and i also cant use it with android :P |
| 01:32.43 | lubomir | but the question was about bluetooth gps |
| 01:32.43 | lcuk | how does a gps mouse work? |
| 01:32.55 | ShadowJK | bluetooth gps works with N800 N810 atleast |
| 01:33.07 | viq | lcuk: it has a rather poor resolution ;) |
| 01:33.09 | lubomir | lcuk, in germany most people tells it "gps mouse" |
| 01:33.18 | lubomir | the external bluetooth gps |
| 01:33.53 | lcuk | oh those |
| 01:34.17 | qwerty12_N900 | Control Panel -> Location still has a |
| 01:34.27 | qwerty12_N900 | "GPS Device" option |
| 01:34.30 | qwerty12_N900 | (N900) |
| 01:34.32 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 01:34.44 | crashanddie | lubomir, DONGLE |
| 01:34.57 | lubomir | qwerty12_N900, where you could chose between internal and external? |
| 01:35.13 | crashanddie | lubomir, a mouse is either a rodent or the thing you move your pointer with |
| 01:35.38 | lubomir | crashanddie, i know. i also dont understand why nearly everyone in germany tells it mouse |
| 01:35.39 | *** join/#maemo kylerh (n=kylerh@tn-76-7-165-130.sta.embarqhsd.net) |
| 01:35.49 | qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: yes |
| 01:36.03 | crashanddie | lubomir, probably the same reason you guys calls a mobile phone a "handy" |
| 01:36.32 | crashanddie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39EPz2JsbUk |
| 01:36.34 | lubomir | crashanddie, i have not choosen those things :D |
| 01:36.37 | qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: Although, provided you have a network signal, the internal one is brilliant at getting a lock |
| 01:38.24 | lubomir | qwerty12_N900, yea, the one in most phones is realy good and usable but i need special external bluetooth gps with high sensitivity |
| 01:38.29 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie, how is a "mouse" less silly than a gps "mouse"? :) |
| 01:38.48 | qwerty12_N900 | lubomir: Ah |
| 01:39.00 | lubomir | thanks. i start more and more to hate that stupid android. sooo many basic things that was "just normal" for me doesnt work there |
| 01:40.15 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie, and before you answer, consider "shell", "cookie" and "root" ;) |
| 01:41.48 | kalikianatoli | although it makes me wonder, is a mouse pointer any useful on the device? |
| 01:41.54 | crashanddie | kalikianatoli, are you actually trying to pick a fight? |
| 01:42.03 | crashanddie | kalikianatoli, nha, and not usable anyway |
| 01:42.24 | crashanddie | IIRC there's some crazy shit that makes it 10 kinds of hard to show the pointer in the first place |
| 01:42.29 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie, if you fight too much I might not be awake enough at this hour, so maybe not :P |
| 01:43.08 | crashanddie | kalikianatoli, it wasn't so much for the use of mouse, as it was for the misuse of mouse |
| 01:43.36 | GeneralAntilles | Sssh |
| 01:43.52 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, learning python? |
| 01:44.06 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie, think of "shell" and the number of things it can mean. then you realize it's not unusal |
| 01:44.34 | kalikianatoli | it can mean a console, a start menu, a whole desktop |
| 01:44.35 | crashanddie | kalikianatoli, the shell really is the thing that wraps around the kernel, so yeah, it is actually quite appropriate |
| 01:45.06 | crashanddie | I don't know in which world shell means start menu or desktop |
| 01:45.07 | kalikianatoli | I mean shell as an example of something that is used in a lot of different meanings |
| 01:45.18 | kalikianatoli | crashanddie, in the world of redmond :) |
| 01:45.40 | crashanddie | oh, windows has a shell now? |
| 01:45.51 | crashanddie | they probably did it to promote the petrol company |
| 01:45.56 | kalikianatoli | heh |
| 01:46.19 | crashanddie | So with Windows 7, people are going to be shellshocked? |
| 01:46.51 | kalikianatoli | it's called that since 95 I think, but it can't hurt to come up with new slogans |
| 01:51.25 | Robot101 | been called the shell since windows 3.x at least |
| 01:51.55 | Robot101 | dos 6.2 had "dosshell" too |
| 01:51.58 | Robot101 | which was GR8 |
| 01:52.37 | crashanddie | cowgirl is the best position, gives the man hands-free. Kinda like sexual bluetooth. |
| 01:54.53 | lubomir | Does someone know what mobile network chipset is been there inside? Does it realy support only 10,2mbit down and 2mbit up? |
| 01:55.18 | lubomir | or could it support 14,4 and 5,76 with firmware upgrade? |
| 01:57.09 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: I'm having a hard time figuring out how to make GTK animate. Any thoughts? |
| 01:59.03 | *** join/#maemo sjaensch (n=sj@mgdb-4db8cf80.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 01:59.38 | Robot101 | dmj7261: in general, gtk doesn't animate. |
| 02:00.03 | kalikianatoli | dmj7261, there's no animation in gtk unless you us an additional lib for that |
| 02:00.09 | dmj7261 | Hmm...perhaps just write it in clutter then |
| 02:00.18 | aep | hmm battery life worries me on the n900 |
| 02:00.30 | kalikianatoli | you could look at the animation something, can't remember what it's called |
| 02:01.35 | dmj7261 | kalikianatoli: any other clues as to where I might find that? |
| 02:01.36 | Robot101 | dmj7261: clutter-gtk allows some hacks with animations using gtk for most stuff |
| 02:01.56 | Robot101 | http://dannipenguin.livejournal.com/280866.html |
| 02:02.12 | kalikianatoli | dmj7261, http://blogs.gnome.org/carlosg/2007/06/06/animateinanimate/ |
| 02:04.36 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 02:09.32 | *** join/#maemo gunni_ (n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-253-5.netcologne.de) |
| 02:09.35 | GeneralAntilles | aep, it depends entirely on what you do with it. |
| 02:09.36 | lubomir | woooow, adblock plus is available for maemo..., someone like to have an android? :p |
| 02:11.03 | kynky | aep, carry a spare battery ? |
| 02:12.57 | aep | GeneralAntilles: well play games all day? heh kidding. but idle for more then 8 hours would be nice... |
| 02:13.07 | aep | kynky: i guess, but thats rather annoying |
| 02:13.43 | kynky | aep, true, but at least an option(comparing situation to iphone) |
| 02:14.00 | GeneralAntilles | aep, I get "idle" of 2-4 days. |
| 02:14.56 | kynky | wonders if there will be mega batteries for n900 |
| 02:16.00 | aep | GeneralAntilles: hm thats actually ok |
| 02:16.18 | aep | maybe people are doing it wrong |
| 02:17.41 | luke-jr | I get idle of about 3 hours IIRC |
| 02:17.54 | luke-jr | maybe a few more if I stretch it (GPS/WiFi off, etc) |
| 02:18.07 | luke-jr | N810 tho |
| 02:18.14 | aep | yeah n810 :P |
| 02:18.48 | aep | i guess i'll actually have to carry around my old phone too |
| 02:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | aep, whose claims are you following? |
| 02:19.34 | GeneralAntilles | aep, I get 8-16 hours of moderate to heavy use. |
| 02:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | Idle on EDGE/WiFI 24/7 |
| 02:19.47 | aep | random blogs. |
| 02:19.59 | aep | 8 hours on heavy use? oO |
| 02:20.01 | aep | thats alot! |
| 02:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | aep, yeah, random blogs are just that, random. |
| 02:20.29 | GeneralAntilles | aep, heck, I get 4-6 hours of video playback. |
| 02:20.38 | aep | nice |
| 02:20.39 | GeneralAntilles | Depending on how heavy they are and whether they're streamed. |
| 02:20.51 | ali1234 | i get about 4 hours on the snes emulator which is pretty heavy |
| 02:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | still idle with GSM standby is mostly a function of local BTS RF situation |
| 02:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | can vary from less than 24h to I guess >7 days |
| 02:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | talktime same btw |
| 02:25.33 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, what's "idle" there? |
| 02:25.59 | ShadowJK | it sounds terrible even if it'd be idle with screen on |
| 02:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | worst thing for standby time is to drive the device around in a car, as this causes frequent cell handovers and TX power needs to ramp up to get out of the car |
| 02:26.47 | ShadowJK | IRC sometimes becomes effective battery killer depending on RF conditions too :/ |
| 02:26.53 | ShadowJK | sometimes the radio just never gets rest |
| 02:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | that is basically same as call then |
| 02:27.48 | ShadowJK | But sometimes the radio is just active for a second at a time :) |
| 02:28.18 | ShadowJK | Not all 3G networks are configured the same, not all networks are configured the same throughout their geographical coverage, either :/ |
| 02:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | sure, though I'm not aware of intra-network local diffs wrt GPRS |
| 02:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | except for max thruput of course |
| 02:29.42 | ShadowJK | Energy Profiler on S60 has this thing that shows timers |
| 02:37.27 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@nat/ibm/x-pxethpvfsrtalzxz) |
| 02:37.42 | *** join/#maemo Zippy (n=zippy@adsl-76-252-73-26.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:38.52 | Zippy | Hi guys! Simple question. I have an app that requires python. How do I install this? root and then apt-get install python isn't finding it in Xterm. |
| 02:39.08 | *** join/#maemo fitzcarraldo (n=fitzcarr@82.132.139.177) |
| 02:42.36 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: "idle" for me tends to be kismet :) |
| 02:42.48 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: I don't think my screen ever turns off completely |
| 02:50.53 | *** join/#maemo Dantonic (n=david@c-24-7-146-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:58.22 | *** join/#maemo radic__ (n=radic@p4FDAA87B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 03:09.20 | *** join/#maemo lopz (i=gentoo@unaffiliated/lopz) |
| 03:33.15 | *** join/#maemo GiantTalkingCow (n=gianttal@adsl-76-242-26-4.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:51.35 | *** join/#maemo beford (n=beford@190.25.28.190) |
| 03:52.16 | *** join/#maemo fernand0 (n=beford@190.25.28.190) |
| 03:53.19 | *** join/#maemo stufever (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 03:55.21 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (n=pcfe@a88-115-15-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 03:55.35 | *** join/#maemo emma (n=emma@unaffiliated/emma) |
| 04:06.49 | *** join/#maemo Unmenschlich (n=steven@p57A2460D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:09.45 | *** join/#maemo eplawless_ (n=eplawles@CPE001346f57c1f-CM0011aec5c074.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:12.07 | *** join/#maemo Sveinn (i=44066296@gateway/web/freenode/x-vkzbmdsmfyhtwyjc) |
| 04:12.19 | Sveinn | Hello !! :) |
| 04:12.32 | Sveinn | any N900 users here? |
| 04:12.52 | Sveinn | slash developers |
| 04:12.58 | pupnik_ | me |
| 04:13.10 | pupnik_ | testing stuff |
| 04:16.26 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 04:17.18 | Sveinn | hi pupnik |
| 04:17.30 | Sveinn | how is your gps on your N900, any problems} |
| 04:17.31 | Sveinn | ? |
| 04:18.17 | pupnik_ | first day it was pretty bad getting a lock. later days it worked ok |
| 04:18.32 | pupnik_ | better than n810 later-on |
| 04:19.08 | pupnik_ | map looked fine to me |
| 04:20.05 | pupnik_ | i think im at 42 deg lat |
| 04:20.38 | Sveinn | ok |
| 04:20.45 | Sveinn | sometimes it works smoothly for me |
| 04:20.54 | Sveinn | but often I cant get a fix at all |
| 04:21.07 | *** join/#maemo Disconnect (n=Disconne@sigkill.net) |
| 04:21.12 | Sveinn | worries me because i am trying to implement the location feature in my program |
| 04:21.21 | Sveinn | maybe i just have to update my firmware |
| 04:21.27 | Sveinn | do you have the latest version |
| 04:21.29 | Chani | hrm. |
| 04:21.43 | pupnik_ | i have only tried a few days, but those were many hours gps testing |
| 04:21.48 | Chani | crud, I'd totally forgotten about how badly gps works |
| 04:22.10 | Sveinn | ok |
| 04:22.11 | pupnik_ | just the summit proto version tested so far |
| 04:22.28 | Sveinn | i guess i have the prototype as well |
| 04:22.55 | Sveinn | know of two people who were unable to get a fix at all |
| 04:22.57 | pupnik_ | meaning you dont know where it came from? |
| 04:23.32 | `0660 | i wouldn't be surprised if they delayed the launch because of that gps fix problem |
| 04:24.10 | pupnik_ | i dont know. other phone goses dont work everywhere |
| 04:24.14 | pupnik_ | gpses |
| 04:25.08 | `0660 | i thought some people had serious problems with the proto version gps? |
| 04:25.17 | `0660 | like not getting a fix for days |
| 04:25.21 | pupnik_ | look at the available space. i cant believe the miniaturization of that stuff |
| 04:25.55 | pupnik_ | dunno. pop a sim in the ohone then |
| 04:26.00 | pupnik_ | phone |
| 04:28.38 | pupnik_ | you werent planning to fly your learjet instrument-only using n900? |
| 04:29.00 | *** join/#maemo xnt14 (n=xnt14@pool-71-190-240-27.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) |
| 04:29.03 | Sveinn | "LeerNavigate" |
| 04:29.17 | Sveinn | that was my program actually |
| 04:29.19 | pupnik_ | ooh weather radar would be fun on maps |
| 04:29.39 | `0660 | yes i was! :) |
| 04:36.38 | *** join/#maemo stufever (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 04:49.45 | dmj7261 | anyone having luck using clutter via python? |
| 04:59.30 | *** join/#maemo Sveinn (i=44066296@gateway/web/freenode/x-ippppjczjqhgokst) |
| 05:10.52 | *** join/#maemo KaKaRoTo-KS (n=kakaroto@69.70.191.106) |
| 05:21.04 | *** join/#maemo stufever_ (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 05:21.32 | *** part/#maemo stufever_ (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 05:25.01 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (n=Xisdibik@c-24-5-197-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:25.18 | *** join/#maemo holydevil (n=holydevi@122.167.111.134) |
| 05:27.19 | *** join/#maemo Shinto (n=John@f048100166.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 05:31.32 | microlith | sighs as he sees nokia holding $1400 on his account |
| 05:33.12 | *** join/#maemo DocScrutinizer (n=jr@200.194.116.85.dsl.manitu.net) |
| 05:49.14 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (n=Xisdibik@c-24-5-197-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 05:54.23 | *** join/#maemo droid0011 (n=g1@p4FDCC472.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:00.15 | *** join/#maemo fernand0 (n=beford@190.27.62.19) |
| 06:00.27 | *** join/#maemo sin18 (n=sin18@66-188-99-0.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
| 06:16.20 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (n=infidel2@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 06:24.35 | dmj7261 | I'm having a hard time embedding non-gtk widgits using python. |
| 06:50.02 | *** join/#maemo mikhas (n=mikhas@p4FC23C0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:08.12 | *** join/#maemo stufever (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 07:09.49 | *** join/#maemo warp10 (n=warp10@beeseek.org) |
| 07:13.07 | *** join/#maemo gour (n=Gour@93.159.68.35) |
| 07:20.51 | *** join/#maemo eton_ (n=eton@ppp-58-8-211-253.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 07:31.59 | *** join/#maemo SmilyOrg (i=Smily@BSN-250-23-206.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 07:34.41 | *** join/#maemo LeoD (n=LeoD@eta-ori.net) |
| 07:37.30 | JosefAssad | hm. I've apt-get installed rootsh and when I type sudo gainroot in osso-xterm I get "sudo: must be setuid root". Am I missing something obvious? |
| 07:37.53 | JosefAssad | (this being in the SDK, no device) |
| 07:43.01 | *** join/#maemo aquarius- (n=aquarius@sun.mitm.cz) |
| 07:46.57 | RST38h | qwerty, are you there? |
| 08:03.00 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (n=Xisdibik@c-24-5-197-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 08:04.08 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 08:05.20 | RST38h | qwerty: Do you have an altar where we can sacrifice a goat to you, or something? |
| 08:05.53 | qwerty12_N900 | Not that I know of, no :) |
| 08:05.57 | dmj7261 | python[31743]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - clutter_x11_disable_event_retrieval should be called before clutter_init |
| 08:06.41 | RST38h | qwerty: Should get one quick (in ref to bug #5300) |
| 08:06.43 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager |
| 08:07.03 | *** join/#maemo tiflsc (n=tiflsc@2001:638:904:ffc2:21e:8cff:fe0d:452c) |
| 08:07.08 | *** join/#maemo filip42 (n=filip@ankh-morpork.disque-monde.org) |
| 08:07.31 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@54.200.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 08:07.34 | dmj7261 | then I get python[31769]: GLIB CRITICAL ** CLutterGLX - Unable to make the stage window 0x1e00017 the current GLX drawable |
| 08:08.08 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Heh, well, since Nokia are staying silent on the issue, I hope someone finds that patch useful :) |
| 08:08.41 | *** join/#maemo igagis (n=aig101c@129.188.33.26) |
| 08:08.45 | RST38h | qwerty: Can we somehow commit it back to their codebase? =) |
| 08:08.59 | *** part/#maemo filip42 (n=filip@ankh-morpork.disque-monde.org) |
| 08:09.05 | dmj7261 | Any ideas? |
| 08:09.34 | dmj7261 | Anyone using cluttergtk that might have and idea what would cause this? |
| 08:10.22 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Probably not going to happen. :p Patching File manager directly and not having to use dlopen() would be better :) |
| 08:14.05 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:15.14 | RST38h | Umgh |
| 08:15.47 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=Miranda@80-240-220-132.dnat.migtel.ru) |
| 08:20.11 | *** join/#maemo promulo (n=romulo@189.71.106.32) |
| 08:20.28 | *** join/#maemo L0cutus (n=kki@94.161.166.88) |
| 08:20.44 | *** join/#maemo baze (n=baze@78.52.218.167) |
| 08:23.54 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (n=EHS1@kde/hein) |
| 08:26.28 | *** join/#maemo croppa_ (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 08:34.31 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=Miranda@80-240-220-132.dnat.migtel.ru) |
| 08:36.23 | *** join/#maemo filip42 (n=filip@ankh-morpork.disque-monde.org) |
| 08:48.18 | dmj7261 | any ideas what this is about? python[31769]: GLIB CRITICAL ** CLutterGLX - Unable to make the stage window 0x1e00017 the current GLX drawable |
| 08:48.19 | tigert | JosefAssad: try "root" |
| 08:48.34 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=Faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 08:56.21 | JosefAssad | tigert: did, no go |
| 08:57.54 | RST38h | Weird: app manager shows 4 packages updated, but it lists only three |
| 09:02.33 | *** join/#maemo chris231989 (n=chris231@adsl-75-42-236-96.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:03.40 | RST38h | Ok, FM Radio app goes off this n900. Too large, does not update properly |
| 09:06.34 | qwerty12 | facepalms at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=376783 |
| 09:06.35 | *** part/#maemo chris231989 (n=chris231@adsl-75-42-236-96.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:07.15 | RST38h | Yea, the Venomrush character is kinda funny |
| 09:07.37 | RST38h | Tried to claim Bullshit Bingo is politically incorrect, etc |
| 09:08.29 | qwerty12 | *sigh* |
| 09:08.38 | qwerty12 | likes the name, actually... |
| 09:09.56 | dmj7261 | me too, though I could see a use for a PG version too |
| 09:10.32 | RST38h | wishes all PC afficionados just killed themselves |
| 09:10.59 | RST38h | They make the environment really rotten for everyone |
| 09:11.20 | dmj7261 | RST38h: That's not a very politically correct thing to say! |
| 09:11.36 | Jaffa | morning, all |
| 09:11.57 | qwerty12 | waves at Jaffa |
| 09:12.04 | Jaffa | qwerty12: Is that link going to reinforce my opinion of tmo? ;-) |
| 09:12.23 | Jaffa | Gah. Web just crashed posting a comment in midgard. |
| 09:12.28 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: No, it's just the SDK being touted as an "emulator" |
| 09:12.58 | Jaffa | Ah. Saw that on Twitter. |
| 09:14.00 | *** join/#maemo chris231989n770 (n=user@adsl-75-42-236-96.dsl.spfdmo.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:15.34 | chris231989n770 | ;join /#ubuntu |
| 09:17.38 | *** join/#maemo chris231989 (n=chris231@75.42.236.96) |
| 09:17.54 | Stskeeps | ponders idly on the chinook-diablo conspiracy |
| 09:19.33 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Morning. Here's another theory to add to the mix: You, using your recently-gained distmaster powers, sabotaged the Diablo autobuilder so people would switch to Mer! /s |
| 09:20.18 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: "conspiracy"? |
| 09:20.35 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: It's on Talk. You sure you wish to see the thread? |
| 09:20.46 | Jaffa | Oh yes |
| 09:21.04 | qwerty12 | Don't say you were not warned: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=376774#post376774 |
| 09:21.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: i don't even have ssh to maemo.org :P |
| 09:22.06 | lbt | telnet? |
| 09:22.19 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps: Sure, you just keep telling us that and we may start to believe it... |
| 09:24.33 | JosefAssad | IPN I'd guess going by the average maemo.org response time... |
| 09:29.20 | Jaffa | qwerty12: This thread is great. It's putting me off all over again (and the links to "Maemo Extras" -> "maemo.org Applications" -> "maemo.org" pisses me off on a whole other level) |
| 09:30.22 | *** join/#maemo wazd_ (n=Miranda@80-240-220-132.dnat.migtel.ru) |
| 09:31.34 | qwerty12 | Jaffa: We need to add details of Nokia's plot to activate the N800 and N810's self-destruction mechanism once the N900 is widely-available |
| 09:31.40 | qwerty12 | Morning, wazd_ |
| 09:32.17 | *** join/#maemo stufever_ (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 09:32.27 | SpeedEvil | qwerty12: Why do you think the battery charging module is closed-source? |
| 09:32.35 | wazd_ | heya maemo |
| 09:32.37 | dmj7261 | boom? |
| 09:32.40 | *** part/#maemo stufever_ (n=stufever@2001:da8:215:8315:224:8cff:fe49:eac) |
| 09:33.02 | wazd_ | it's tough to be a pirate :( |
| 09:33.12 | SpeedEvil | yarrr. |
| 09:33.13 | qwerty12 | SpeedEvil: You've just got me scared :\ |
| 09:33.37 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: i think its due to 1) patents/IP 2) how much damage a not-thought-out patch can do |
| 09:34.41 | *** part/#maemo chris231989 (n=chris231@75.42.236.96) |
| 09:34.41 | timeless_mbp | product liability |
| 09:34.44 | SpeedEvil | 1) is bullshit largely. |
| 09:34.50 | timeless_mbp | if you manage to cause a battery to explose |
| 09:34.52 | SpeedEvil | There isn't any magic in battery charging. |
| 09:34.54 | timeless_mbp | s/s/d/ |
| 09:35.04 | timeless_mbp | s/caude/cause/ |
| 09:35.12 | SpeedEvil | And it's trivially easy to monitor what it's in fact doing |
| 09:35.12 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 09:35.18 | timeless_mbp | if you manage to cause a battery to explode |
| 09:35.25 | qwerty12 | gives timeless_mbp a cookie |
| 09:35.31 | timeless_mbp | people won't stop and ask "was this n900 running unofficial software" |
| 09:35.37 | timeless_mbp | they'll say "Nokia n900 explodes" |
| 09:35.41 | timeless_mbp | "news at 11" |
| 09:35.58 | timeless_mbp | (no news will come at 11, and people will remember Nokia + battery explosion) |
| 09:36.16 | timeless_mbp | there's pretty much nothing Nokia can do to counter such press |
| 09:36.49 | timeless_mbp | and the investigation would determine that ~Nokia was aware that third parties could install software which would enable their batteries to explode~ |
| 09:36.50 | lbt | notes that it already happens a lot with phones and is "old news" |
| 09:36.53 | *** join/#maemo zap_ (n=zap@28.169.249.ozerki.net) |
| 09:37.03 | timeless_mbp | it's never _good_ news |
| 09:37.14 | dmj7261 | And you would then get FUD about how dangerous open source is. |
| 09:37.23 | lbt | aha!! |
| 09:37.30 | lbt | the solution... ban OSS |
| 09:37.30 | timeless_mbp | dmj7261: oh, yeah, that too |
| 09:37.31 | lbt | good idea :) |
| 09:37.53 | dmj7261 | regardless of the fact that both open and closed software stacks can be involved with exploding batteries. |
| 09:38.13 | timeless_mbp | personally, my view is that the hardware shouldn't support exploding stacks |
| 09:38.20 | dmj7261 | nobody would think of the fact that that logic means we should also ban proprietary software. |
| 09:38.26 | timeless_mbp | but if you want that, you're basically siding with closed source firmware |
| 09:38.33 | lbt | timeless_mbp: what about melting CPUs? |
| 09:38.43 | timeless_mbp | either as real bits burned into the hardware, or as closed software bits |
| 09:38.44 | lbt | is that OK? |
| 09:38.45 | timeless_mbp | it hardly matters |
| 09:38.53 | *** join/#maemo v2px_ (n=v2px@BAJ0da2.baj.pppool.de) |
| 09:38.54 | lbt | N900 CPU melts |
| 09:38.55 | timeless_mbp | lbt: you mean from overclocking? |
| 09:39.00 | timeless_mbp | yeah, imo that's ok |
| 09:39.09 | timeless_mbp | how many people do you kill w/ a melted cpu? |
| 09:39.19 | timeless_mbp | v. how many people can you kill with an exploding battery? |
| 09:39.23 | lbt | notes that N900 != WMD |
| 09:39.41 | timeless_mbp | something tells me the battery is more likely to be effective at killing than a melted cpu |
| 09:39.50 | dmj7261 | Of course you could go with super-closed software...only God knows how it works! :P |
| 09:40.19 | Stskeeps | i'm personally more afraid of oss rewrites of the thing |
| 09:40.20 | *** join/#maemo TomaszD (n=Tomasz@unaffiliated/tomaszd) |
| 09:40.26 | lbt | wonders when voltage monitoring software became assasination tool |
| 09:40.36 | RST38h | moos |
| 09:40.41 | timeless_mbp | dmj7261: scientists recently made Female nematodes into hermaphrodites |
| 09:40.46 | timeless_mbp | does that count as super closed? |
| 09:41.12 | timeless_mbp | lbt: keep in mind that cellular phones have been used for assassinations |
| 09:41.12 | lbt | Ok, who uses VirtualBox and clones machines? |
| 09:41.28 | lbt | timeless_mbp: using OSS ? |
| 09:41.37 | dmj7261 | can you charge your battery from a female nematode? |
| 09:41.38 | lbt | so, clearly OSS is not a factor. |
| 09:41.39 | timeless_mbp | I use vbox |
| 09:41.49 | lbt | I can't change my MAC |
| 09:41.51 | Stskeeps | lbt, only on mer imager creating vmdks |
| 09:41.58 | timeless_mbp | just noting that phones can be effective at killing people :) |
| 09:42.16 | lbt | I can use settings->NW->Advanced to change it but when I restart the MAC is the same |
| 09:42.17 | qwerty12 | dmj7261: Gah, the innuendo from that one is killing me |
| 09:42.18 | dmj7261 | so can bricks |
| 09:42.33 | lbt | dmj7261: now they at least are CC |
| 09:42.44 | lbt | or PD |
| 09:43.01 | lbt | unless the brick had a patented anti-mortar slip chamfer? |
| 09:43.21 | *** join/#maemo hannesw__ (n=hannes@91-114-238-48.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 09:45.16 | RST38h | sighs and notes that you can't seriously discuss all the gibberish produced by every stupid hack around the world, including so called "professional bloggers" |
| 09:46.01 | dmj7261 | unfortunately that gibberish what a lot of people pay heed to. |
| 09:46.25 | RST38h | (having said that, the thought of 4-5 Li-based batteries going off on a plane in mid-air is delicious) |
| 09:46.51 | qwerty12 | Oh, anyone noticed how maemo.org isn't a default bookmark on the N900 but it was on the default homepage for Diablo's browser? :) |
| 09:46.53 | RST38h | dmj7261: by seriously discussing this crap you join those people. |
| 09:47.13 | *** join/#maemo GuySoft_nokia (n=Guysoft@41.179.0.1) |
| 09:47.14 | *** join/#maemo EspadaV8_L (n=espadav8@93.97.175.175) |
| 09:47.55 | dmj7261 | Honestly, I don't spend much time thinking about exploding batteries. |
| 09:50.01 | lbt | nm the MAC thing - it was an OS override |
| 09:58.55 | RST38h | has been bitten by an unsigned int |
| 10:00.34 | dmj7261 | http://pastebin.com/d28ecbc7d |
| 10:01.02 | dmj7261 | Anyone have a clue on what's wrong with this code (other than messyness)? |
| 10:01.03 | gnuton | Hi there! :D |
| 10:01.30 | dmj7261 | it gives some glx errors when I run it. |
| 10:02.22 | RST38h | moo gnuton |
| 10:02.47 | gnuton | Ciao RST38h ;D |
| 10:05.57 | Stskeeps | lbt, virtualbox 3.1 will have live migration it seems |
| 10:06.23 | dmj7261 | I'm finding this frustrating |
| 10:10.25 | cvandonderen | Hi, will the firmware that is on the devices being shipped currently also be released (a.k.a. can I update my dev-N900 to the release firmware any time soon?) |
| 10:10.51 | RST38h | probably. |
| 10:12.21 | *** join/#maemo millenomi (n=millenom@93-35-146-211.ip55.fastwebnet.it) |
| 10:15.01 | lbt | Stskeeps: *nod*.... it does make it easy to setup new VMs... convirt is pretty good too though |
| 10:19.16 | Stskeeps | starts migrating data to his fileserver in order to prepare for his new laptop |
| 10:20.18 | *** join/#maemo DantonicN800 (n=user@c-24-7-146-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 10:22.53 | millenomi | (dum dum dum, silently keeps working on his Cocotron ARM port, dum dum) |
| 10:23.04 | Stskeeps | millenomi++ |
| 10:23.19 | millenomi | works pretty well on my ebook reader :) |
| 10:23.37 | Stskeeps | cool |
| 10:26.18 | wazd_ | RAWR! |
| 10:26.28 | wazd_ | I've downloaded wrong MW2! |
| 10:26.45 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@75-101-13-24.dsl.static.sonic.net) |
| 10:26.45 | mikhas | the one for the n900? how is that wrong? |
| 10:26.48 | mikhas | =p |
| 10:27.09 | wazd_ | daaaaaaamn |
| 10:29.49 | wazd_ | epic fail :( |
| 10:33.15 | wazd_ | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/hallods-f43-mp4-player-packs-a-4-3-inch-720p-screen-outed-in-ja/ |
| 10:33.47 | *** join/#maemo Omegamoon (n=egoe@demolitionman.xs4all.nl) |
| 10:34.12 | millenomi | ah, maybe somebody can help on this |
| 10:34.25 | millenomi | GCC 4.x doesn't have atomic primitives on ARM afaik |
| 10:34.49 | millenomi | I "fixed" this by using a pthreads mutex, which is correct but stupid. is there a better way to do a compare and swap on ARM? |
| 10:35.18 | millenomi | stupid == obviously much slower than true CAS. |
| 10:36.02 | Stskeeps | rst38h might know |
| 10:36.45 | millenomi | the objc runtime must be threadsafe in order for threads to work with it, so it uses atomic CAS in a few critical places |
| 10:37.10 | millenomi | making every message (method call) lock a mutex is not optimal, to say the least. |
| 10:39.02 | wazd_ | damn, 11gb of wrong info, so lame :( |
| 10:39.38 | *** join/#maemo mlpug (n=mlpug@a88-115-164-40.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 10:41.15 | *** join/#maemo dolphin (n=dolphin@unaffiliated/dolphin) |
| 10:41.22 | Stskeeps | downloaded over gprs? ;p |
| 10:41.52 | dmj7261 | wazd: pretty crisp screen |
| 10:42.37 | dmj7261 | of course 8gb won't hold much 720p |
| 10:43.44 | dmj7261 | was that your epic fail comment? |
| 10:44.39 | *** join/#maemo Sargun (n=Sargun@atarack/Staff/Sargun) |
| 10:46.04 | Flyser_ | dmj7261: I gues he means the lack of h264 encoding |
| 10:46.12 | dmj7261 | ah |
| 10:46.36 | dmj7261 | just give the n900 that screen and I'll be happy! |
| 10:46.49 | Flyser_ | Because one could easiely upgrade the storage |
| 10:46.52 | Flyser_ | hehe m2 :-) |
| 10:48.43 | dmj7261 | what OS does that 720 gadget use? |
| 10:49.00 | dmj7261 | cause it would be kinda silly if it could only play video. |
| 10:49.28 | Flyser_ | its a 180$ device ... I doubt it can do anything else ... |
| 10:50.18 | dmj7261 | hmm...not worth ~$200 bucks if that's all it does. |
| 10:52.52 | RST38h | "To continue his work on the Orion rocket, Zuppero needs it justified by attachment to weapons analyses. A boss first asks if it's possible to tow an unshielded nuclear reactor behind an airplane so it spews radioactivity over the Soviet Union or Vietnam." |
| 10:53.25 | RST38h | Ah, the golden 60s... |
| 10:55.04 | *** join/#maemo fab (n=bellet@bellet.info) |
| 11:00.40 | *** join/#maemo Bleadof (i=tarmo@130.234.184.94) |
| 11:01.19 | RST38h | "Although I really did find a way to power the rockets to take |
| 11:01.20 | RST38h | hundreds of us throughout the solar system, the only product of my |
| 11:01.20 | RST38h | entire career struggle working in so-called "rocket science," was |
| 11:01.20 | RST38h | that people wanted to hear the story. |
| 11:02.45 | dmj7261 | You know what would make a great app? |
| 11:02.51 | dmj7261 | A web comic viewer |
| 11:03.08 | dmj7261 | ...that worked offline too and could search |
| 11:03.10 | RurouniJones | isn't that called a web-broswer? :p |
| 11:03.15 | millenomi | he |
| 11:03.18 | frals | RurouniJones: thats what i was thinking |
| 11:03.22 | RurouniJones | Sorry, facaetious I know, could't resist :P |
| 11:03.26 | millenomi | is working on a fullsize comic viewer on his ebook reader. |
| 11:03.34 | dmj7261 | yes, I know about the web browser thing |
| 11:04.02 | millenomi | is working on a fullsize comic viewer on his ebook reader. |
| 11:04.11 | dmj7261 | really? |
| 11:04.19 | dmj7261 | Would it be maemoizable? |
| 11:04.31 | millenomi | no, I'd have to rewrite the UI in Qt |
| 11:04.47 | millenomi | (new projects need Qt, right?) |
| 11:04.58 | dmj7261 | not necessarily |
| 11:05.07 | millenomi | but I happen to prefer it :) |
| 11:05.19 | dmj7261 | GTK isn't disappearing, but it wont' be official |
| 11:05.37 | millenomi | I come from a Cocoa background and Qt is, uh, "Cocoa-shaped?" |
| 11:05.47 | millenomi | I wrap my head around it more easily. |
| 11:05.52 | RurouniJones | When are qT apps gonna have hildon'ish widgets so they look like the stuff you can do in GTK now? |
| 11:05.59 | RST38h | dmj7261: comic viewers for Maemo exist. |
| 11:06.00 | millenomi | I heard there was a preview out now |
| 11:06.07 | dmj7261 | names? |
| 11:06.11 | RST38h | dmj7261: google? |
| 11:06.26 | qwerty12 | adds maemo.org to his spam list. The "page $PRODUCT has been commented by (anonymous)" e-mails are fucking ridiculous. |
| 11:06.29 | RST38h | I mean, that was an obvious first step, wasn't it? |
| 11:06.30 | dmj7261 | yeah, but maemo.org is being slow |
| 11:06.41 | dmj7261 | and i did a bit of google |
| 11:07.06 | *** join/#maemo andre__ (n=andre@g1.blanicka25.net) |
| 11:07.08 | RST38h | qwerty: True, but it also looks like someone is voting for the products out of malice |
| 11:07.42 | RST38h | qwerty: Or there is a bug at maemo.org, because I cannot explain how I can receive 10 votes for AlmostTI in 3 minutes |
| 11:07.46 | qwerty12 | RST38h: That may be so, but since I can't do fuck all about the votes, I'd prefer not to have a shitton of e-mails in my inbox telling me of the fact |
| 11:08.02 | RST38h | qwerty: Actually, you can |
| 11:08.19 | RST38h | qwerty: By restricting voting for registered maemo.org users, so that each user can only vote once |
| 11:09.44 | qwerty12 | RST38h: "since I can't do fuck all about the votes" |
| 11:10.07 | qwerty12 | I see no option allowing me to restrict who can vote on a certain product :) |
| 11:10.57 | RST38h | Yea, that thing should not be an option indeed, should be done by site admins |
| 11:11.39 | suihkulokki | qwerty12: you should request that in bugzilla |
| 11:11.53 | RurouniJones | As well as general email management settings? |
| 11:11.57 | qwerty12 | suihkulokki: Good idea, thanks |
| 11:12.05 | RurouniJones | "Email me in the following situations. checkbox, checkbox, checkbox etc" |
| 11:12.35 | suihkulokki | "never mail anything from anonymous people" I think would be good too |
| 11:12.39 | *** join/#maemo El_Mutanto (n=petteri@dsl-hkibrasgw1-fe33f900-197.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 11:14.18 | *** join/#maemo rsalveti_ (n=rsalveti@189.115.175.8) |
| 11:18.47 | *** join/#maemo Laiska (n=Teemu@shell.evtek.fi) |
| 11:20.18 | *** join/#maemo pH5 (n=ph5@g229189119.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:24.39 | RurouniJones | Anyone tried playing SCUMMVM games on a N900? Seems like adventure games are ideal for a stylus style input |
| 11:26.19 | RurouniJones | one ggoogle search later...yes |
| 11:26.47 | Corsac | I tried dott on n810 and it works fine |
| 11:26.54 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (n=pupnik@p54B2C83F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:27.26 | *** join/#maemo klasu_ (n=klasu@a91-153-15-115.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 11:29.26 | *** join/#maemo baze (n=baze@78.52.218.167) |
| 11:29.49 | *** join/#maemo Laiska_ (n=Teemu@shell.evtek.fi) |
| 11:34.43 | *** join/#maemo shdb (n=shdb@80-218-240-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 11:35.19 | *** join/#maemo BluesLee (n=malik197@ip-62-143-232-28.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 11:43.55 | *** join/#maemo tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 11:51.41 | *** join/#maemo hellwolf (n=hellwolf@109.50.50.4) |
| 11:52.04 | *** join/#maemo bcat (n=sj@mgdb-4db8cf80.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 11:56.00 | cvandonderen | How can I add applets to the statusbar? |
| 11:56.25 | cvandonderen | maemo5-load-applet does not show... |
| 12:00.00 | lbt | what's the status of maemo-optify? |
| 12:00.33 | lbt | it's only in extras-devel according to http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemo-optify/ |
| 12:05.34 | BluesLee | lbt: i guess the app is to move the installation to the sd card, right? |
| 12:05.39 | RST38h | Anyone with N900 here? |
| 12:05.48 | lbt | BluesLee: yes |
| 12:05.50 | lbt | RST38h: yes |
| 12:06.16 | RST38h | lbt: I am sorry to ask, but could you test/vote for a few apps of mine? |
| 12:06.28 | lbt | which? |
| 12:06.39 | RST38h | lbt: MG, Speccy, fMSX, ColEm |
| 12:06.49 | BluesLee | lbt: it would be nice to have the choice while installing the app through the app manager or to set it there "destination: internal flash, sd card or whatever" |
| 12:06.50 | lbt | notes favour in his accounts |
| 12:07.03 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 12:07.11 | RST38h | Heh =) |
| 12:07.34 | RST38h | Speccy/fMSX can be tested as they are (come with system bios) |
| 12:07.38 | lbt | BluesLee: theres' been a lot of disccusion |
| 12:07.57 | lbt | OK |
| 12:08.15 | RST38h | For MG/ColEm, there are free legal ROMs at www.pdroms.com |
| 12:09.23 | *** join/#maemo borism (n=boris@213.35.232.204) |
| 12:11.19 | *** join/#maemo Proteous (n=mike@atlantic.devin.com) |
| 12:11.25 | *** part/#maemo MrGoose (n=cache@5ac515c3.bb.sky.com) |
| 12:11.47 | lbt | RST38h: maybe put up a wiki page to step-by-step it for new users? |
| 12:12.45 | RST38h | lbt: It is really as easy as opening a proper file |
| 12:13.07 | RST38h | in fact, the program will ask you to choose a file on startup :) |
| 12:13.14 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx) |
| 12:15.21 | RST38h | EHLO VDVsx |
| 12:16.05 | VDVsx | hey RST38h |
| 12:22.57 | pupnik | i like -devel a lot |
| 12:22.57 | *** join/#maemo goshawk (n=quassel@93-34-58-226.ip48.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:23.12 | pupnik | canse then im never drustrated at a bug |
| 12:23.24 | pupnik | wow " morning typos |
| 12:29.42 | Stskeeps | having your device in r&d mode is good for winters. warms your hands. |
| 12:30.22 | pupnik | ! |
| 12:30.29 | CoreFusion- | 8h29minutes and counting :P |
| 12:30.55 | *** join/#maemo hardaker (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 12:31.12 | pupnik | i had n900 on overnight with open webpages, apps, term and it is at q/2 battery |
| 12:31.19 | pupnik | 1/2 |
| 12:31.30 | CoreFusion- | sorry, 6h |
| 12:32.16 | CoreFusion- | 13:10 -!- Laiska [n=Teemu@shell.evtek.fi] has joined #maemo |
| 12:33.23 | RST38h | pupnik: Check this one out: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/15/zuppero_solar_system/ |
| 12:33.27 | *** join/#maemo GuySoft_nokia (n=Guysoft@41.179.0.1) |
| 12:33.29 | RST38h | pupnik: You may like it =) |
| 12:33.45 | *** join/#maemo Firebird (n=Firebird@pool-138-88-201-253.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:35.13 | pupnik | but the apps were all apps that know how to idle of course |
| 12:35.18 | pupnik | ty |
| 12:36.16 | lbt | so RST38h... I installed it and it says "Nut" |
| 12:36.34 | lbt | as I said, what now? |
| 12:36.52 | lbt | MG btw |
| 12:37.12 | lbt | I have no clue what the app needs. What do I download? from where? |
| 12:38.18 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: You know python zope? |
| 12:39.32 | dmj7261 | What's wrong with it on Maemo? |
| 12:39.43 | RST38h | lbt: You download from http://www.pdroms.de/files/gamegear/ |
| 12:40.01 | RST38h | lbt: or from http://www.pdroms.de/files/mastersystem/ |
| 12:40.11 | CoreFusion- | hmm.. does anyone know where i could watch bbc2 in the internet, live? |
| 12:40.21 | CoreFusion- | outside UK? |
| 12:40.41 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:41.28 | kynky | iplayer through a proxy ? |
| 12:41.37 | kynky | but guess not live |
| 12:41.48 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 12:44.22 | pupnik | i was interested in project orion for a while. there are nice interviews of some of the members RST38h . old man saying "i really thought we were going to see jupiter in my lifetime |
| 12:44.34 | pupnik | :( |
| 12:44.43 | dmj7261 | BOunce is completely closed source, right? |
| 12:44.45 | RST38h | pupnik: it was 60s |
| 12:45.15 | kynky | CoreFusion-, think there might be some flas channels showing bbc2, but never used them myself |
| 12:45.55 | pupnik | what app do i use on n900 to automatically grab öy favorite podcasts? |
| 12:46.27 | pupnik | builtin function or gpodder? |
| 12:48.17 | *** join/#maemo warp10 (n=warp10@beeseek.org) |
| 12:51.47 | *** join/#maemo The_Tall1 (n=A@stgt-5f73fd2b.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 12:53.01 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 12:54.10 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: I was trying to run a python program on Maemo and it gave an import error: no module named zope.interface |
| 12:54.25 | dmj7261 | I saw that you were the maintainer for it. |
| 12:54.34 | dmj7261 | What seems to be the issue with it? |
| 12:54.41 | dmj7261 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python-zope.interface/ |
| 12:54.50 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (n=panaggio@200-158-190-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 12:57.53 | *** join/#maemo ScriptRipper (n=martin@host-82-135-36-197.customer.m-online.net) |
| 13:00.09 | *** join/#maemo barfoos (n=frost@p4FE92F66.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:01.15 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 13:09.13 | Macer | Stskeeps: ? |
| 13:09.15 | Macer | you there? |
| 13:09.40 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 13:10.01 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (n=magao@84.79.25.26) |
| 13:10.34 | Stskeeps | Macer: ? |
| 13:11.00 | *** join/#maemo mikkov__ (n=mikkov@xdsl-83-150-82-126.nebulazone.fi) |
| 13:13.27 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=user@83.149.10.44) |
| 13:15.58 | wazd | reheya all |
| 13:20.22 | *** join/#maemo bilboed (n=bilboed@89.129.143.15) |
| 13:23.29 | Macer | Stskeeps: msg :-P |
| 13:26.28 | Macer | Stskeeps: !! |
| 13:27.14 | *** join/#maemo GuySoft_nokia (n=Guysoft@41.179.0.1) |
| 13:28.11 | *** join/#maemo cvandonderen (n=quassel@ikben.in) |
| 13:30.04 | *** join/#maemo Guysoft422 (n=Guysoft@41.179.0.1) |
| 13:30.34 | timeless | ok, the xref for mxr.maemo.org/fremantle should work |
| 13:30.50 | timeless | search is broken and will have to wait for the next sync |
| 13:31.04 | timeless | phone oo-power -bye |
| 13:32.22 | *** join/#maemo cleary (n=quassel@ppp121-44-56-35.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 13:33.43 | *** join/#maemo kalikiana (n=kalikian@xfce/goodies-developer/kalikiana) |
| 13:34.20 | mikhas | heh, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6JfxdWg0HI |
| 13:35.40 | wazd | IRC explanation?) |
| 13:38.33 | *** join/#maemo timeless_away (i=5870ffca@gateway/web/freenode/x-dzgrcouoteqmnjug) |
| 13:38.43 | timeless_away | hello world |
| 13:40.20 | RST38h | moos at wazd |
| 13:42.12 | wazd | RST38h: have you registered to that nokia store event btw? |
| 13:43.35 | *** join/#maemo cvandonderen (n=quassel@ikben.in) |
| 13:45.05 | RST38h | wazd: Yep |
| 13:46.06 | wazd | RST38h: cool :) |
| 13:46.15 | RST38h | wazd: you did too? |
| 13:46.21 | RST38h | checks what day Nov 24 is |
| 13:46.22 | wazd | RST38h: Yep |
| 13:46.34 | RST38h | Tuesday...hm |
| 13:47.08 | wazd | RST38h: wonder if there will be any competent person on nokia's side |
| 13:47.36 | RST38h | wazd: I expect something similar to Nokia Camp |
| 13:47.41 | wazd | RST38h: yep, tuesday kinda sucks |
| 13:47.41 | RST38h | wazd: I.e. PR event |
| 13:47.51 | RST38h | What time on Tuesday though? |
| 13:48.22 | wazd | RST38h: tba |
| 13:50.09 | wazd | RST38h: I bet there will be epic whining on bloggers side "why no capacitive screen") |
| 13:50.34 | jaska | crapacitive! |
| 13:51.31 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@80.220.238.64) |
| 13:52.32 | wazd | And what else do they mention all the time... |
| 13:53.59 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx) |
| 13:54.38 | RST38h | wazd: These will be Russian bloggers |
| 13:55.07 | RST38h | wazd: So we can expect a lot of amateurish attempts at ass licking in anticipation of freebies =) |
| 13:55.13 | wazd | RST38h: they're all the same, it's like a virus) |
| 13:55.21 | RST38h | Well, I guess so... |
| 13:56.07 | RST38h | has not been to a similar event outside .RU, so he does not know, but yes, people ain't that different everywhere |
| 13:56.54 | wazd | RST38h: oh, no Intell parties? :) |
| 13:57.09 | RST38h | wazd: Actually, there ARE Intel parties =) |
| 13:57.19 | *** join/#maemo KMFDM (n=tKMFDM@ip5658167f.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 13:57.30 | RST38h | wazd: There is at least an annual developers' conference in .RU, and some other events too |
| 13:57.39 | RST38h | last one was in nnov |
| 14:00.03 | *** join/#maemo Dialekt (n=Dialekt@cpe-98-148-100-186.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 14:01.08 | pupnik | hopefully the freebies will inspire some productive developments |
| 14:01.21 | RST38h | from bloggers? are you joking? |
| 14:01.24 | *** join/#maemo Dialekt (n=Dialekt@cpe-98-148-100-186.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 14:01.33 | pupnik | what fps does q3a timedemo get on pandora vs Nokia N900 vs beagleboard? |
| 14:01.35 | wazd | pupnik: bloggers?) |
| 14:01.42 | pupnik | oh |
| 14:02.45 | mikhas | most often read claim? That you cannot use the n900 single-handed, I bet =) |
| 14:02.51 | wazd | That would be super awesome if bloggers will really get one |
| 14:02.53 | mikhas | which is funny in several ways |
| 14:03.10 | RST38h | mikhas: Actually, I suspect you CAN use it one-handed, with a lanyard |
| 14:03.15 | mikhas | 1. you cannot use any portrait mode model with *both* hands, unless you are girl |
| 14:03.21 | RST38h | mikhas: The same way you use a small camera |
| 14:03.36 | mikhas | 2. I use my n900 one-handed all the time, for phone calls |
| 14:03.53 | mikhas | and even for e-mail reading |
| 14:04.05 | RST38h | "Unlike iPhone, does not have MMS!" |
| 14:04.24 | range | Now if the hardware keyboard were capacitive ... |
| 14:04.35 | RST38h | and bigger, like twice bigger... |
| 14:04.37 | kynky | is mms that useful considering the size of the photos the n900 can capture ? |
| 14:04.43 | RST38h | no. |
| 14:04.53 | mikhas | it is useful |
| 14:04.57 | range | For the frontcam :) |
| 14:04.57 | RST38h | MMS is useless gimmick in no relation to the photos size |
| 14:05.00 | mikhas | for carriers |
| 14:05.15 | RST38h | Very few people use MMS. MMS messages are usually super-expensive too |
| 14:05.17 | mikhas | you forget how all those bloggers are employed by carriers, obviously =) |
| 14:05.38 | RST38h | mikhas: Which ones? Local ones? Not employed by anybody important |
| 14:05.39 | mikhas | at least that's what I would do |
| 14:05.47 | kynky | just upload simutaneoesly to a number of image hosting sevices instead, prob be cheaper too |
| 14:06.04 | mikhas | flickr |
| 14:06.13 | mikhas | it works amazingly good |
| 14:06.22 | RST38h | kynky: But then your aunt and her LG phone cannot get your photo |
| 14:06.39 | RST38h | (at least that is the most common explanation for why you need MMS) |
| 14:06.46 | kynky | lol |
| 14:06.50 | wazd | Damn, my n800 screen will really die soon. That afterburn effect is pretty weird |
| 14:06.54 | kynky | mms is ripoff |
| 14:07.15 | *** join/#maemo falmeida (n=user@187.67.78.255) |
| 14:07.29 | RST38h | wazd: Should have asked for screen protector |
| 14:07.43 | RST38h | wazd: But I guess it is too late now =( |
| 14:08.14 | *** join/#maemo trbs (n=trbs@82-169-23-132.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 14:08.18 | wazd | RST38h: not sure if it's a scratches issue |
| 14:08.45 | kynky | more like the othr side of screen issue ? |
| 14:09.22 | lcuk | yawns |
| 14:09.48 | zerojay | MMS is just another gimmick the carriers created to charge you more for the same data voice uses, plain and simple. |
| 14:11.08 | wazd | RST38h: looks more like failling lcd switcher |
| 14:11.14 | RST38h | weird |
| 14:11.42 | lbt | wonders if they'll implenent a telegram app to go with MMS and fax |
| 14:11.42 | wazd | RST38h: and it appears absolutely random |
| 14:12.49 | lcuk | lbt, it best have a proper morse buttong then |
| 14:13.02 | lbt | touch screen silly |
| 14:13.09 | lcuk | fake morse button then |
| 14:13.26 | lbt | should be an easter egg in the mms app |
| 14:13.27 | thux | but if no mms support how would mobile viruses spread? |
| 14:13.40 | lcuk | just like any other meme |
| 14:13.45 | RST38h | thux: through Torrent of course! |
| 14:13.59 | kynky | bluetooth |
| 14:14.07 | lcuk | adhoc wifi |
| 14:14.08 | thux | ok |
| 14:14.24 | lcuk | plenty of transport tunnels |
| 14:14.32 | wazd | God bless resistive screen and stylus |
| 14:14.34 | lcuk | but whats the payload |
| 14:14.41 | wazd | So cold out there |
| 14:14.50 | lcuk | +1 wazd |
| 14:14.57 | lcuk | using device with a snowdrift on it |
| 14:15.19 | kynky | wazd, they got capacitive touch styli now |
| 14:15.39 | kynky | dell do one for their first new mobile phone |
| 14:15.41 | lcuk | crayons! |
| 14:16.43 | wazd | Damn, where's that bus |
| 14:16.50 | kynky | apparntly some ppl say pencils work cos of graphite |
| 14:17.12 | wazd | Lol |
| 14:18.34 | lcuk | wow, photo of the new dell tablet http://bit.ly/Fm25Z |
| 14:19.11 | Ceron^ | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=05f_1188672096 i want this kind 3d screen on my n900 |
| 14:19.49 | lcuk | wouldnt that be a little dangerous |
| 14:20.43 | lcuk | its uber cool tho |
| 14:20.51 | lcuk | in a display cabinet |
| 14:26.39 | RST38h | until that mirror goes off flying =) |
| 14:27.31 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (n=javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 14:30.46 | *** join/#maemo n000b (n=n00000b@smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk) |
| 14:31.38 | javispedro | sighs at tmo |
| 14:31.39 | javispedro | again |
| 14:32.09 | Corsac | damn, why is my n810 asking me for a password when ssh'ing now? |
| 14:32.41 | Corsac | who did erase my public key? |
| 14:34.33 | RST38h | what now? |
| 14:34.38 | Corsac | hmhmh, fun, key is there but it still wants a password |
| 14:34.53 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:35.28 | javispedro | someone spamming nearly all the threads I'm subscribed into with "a emulators recap" thread, a thread about using Scratchbox to "test the N900", etc. |
| 14:35.46 | RST38h | The Venom guy, who else? =) |
| 14:36.14 | javispedro | ah, the Venom is the one using sbox for nonsense |
| 14:36.19 | javispedro | anwarboy is the emus one |
| 14:36.48 | *** join/#maemo Flyser (n=flyser@unaffiliated/flyser) |
| 14:37.27 | RST38h | I see the anwarboy spammer, yea |
| 14:37.48 | javispedro | fortunately, I have patience -- no need to shun myself from anything yet. |
| 14:37.49 | RST38h | And he is not even getting his facts right :) |
| 14:38.49 | RST38h | wonders how Reggie would feel about restricting new members to a subset of forums for the first 2-3 months... |
| 14:39.13 | RST38h | Would probably be too restrictive though :( |
| 14:39.13 | alterego | That's not fair realy. |
| 14:39.16 | RST38h | yea |
| 14:39.48 | RST38h | But on the other hand the current situation is pretty destructive too |
| 14:40.55 | javispedro | there's no solution for this problem. |
| 14:41.16 | javispedro | I've been admin of a site where the average poster age was 13, for nearly 5 years. |
| 14:41.30 | *** join/#maemo Kusk (n=a@2904ds1-sdb.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 14:41.30 | RurouniJones | When were you committed? |
| 14:41.36 | RurouniJones | And when were you released? |
| 14:41.47 | javispedro | what kind of question is that? :) |
| 14:41.49 | lcuk | win them over with good quality threads |
| 14:41.54 | *** join/#maemo goshawk (n=quassel@93-34-63-50.ip48.fastwebnet.it) |
| 14:42.08 | lcuk | instead of bemoaning the fact theres crap, lets plan an offensive raid |
| 14:42.10 | RurouniJones | I cannot imagine nayone retaining sanity admin'ning that forum |
| 14:42.30 | Corsac | damn, asking google about theora support in n810 empathy now returns my unanswered post in talk >< |
| 14:42.44 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:42.56 | SpeedEvil | Autoban for misspelled words >5%, or average wordlength under 6. |
| 14:43.02 | RST38h | lcuk: Ok, you show us the way, go forward and win them over =) |
| 14:43.32 | lcuk | it takes more than one, but its better than sitting doing nothing and watching it go down |
| 14:43.36 | RST38h | Speed: Usage of the word "like" more than twice in a single post should be made punishable =) |
| 14:43.58 | RST38h | Same goes for using "I" more than three times |
| 14:44.03 | javispedro | RurouniJones: the trick is to get proper staff and don't try to fix things when the "values" on your forum slip away from your moral standards |
| 14:44.16 | RST38h | puts on his grammar nazi uniform |
| 14:45.24 | *** join/#maemo hannesw__ (n=hannes@91-114-238-48.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:45.34 | javispedro | hides |
| 14:45.48 | javispedro | 7 tail whip? |
| 14:45.50 | javispedro | check. |
| 14:45.52 | crashanddie | RST38h, why is "I" banned more than 3 times? |
| 14:46.26 | RST38h | crashanddie: 'cause using it too much is a sign of an overblown ego |
| 14:46.50 | crashanddie | Well, I don't see why I shouldn't be to use "I" as much as I want |
| 14:47.03 | RST38h | crashanddie: But we do :) |
| 14:47.06 | crashanddie | :D |
| 14:47.17 | crashanddie | plus, having a bit of ego is healthy |
| 14:47.28 | crashanddie | just make sure it fits in the building |
| 14:47.35 | RST38h | goes over the allowed uses of "we": 1) Chief editors 2) Royalties 3) People with tape worms |
| 14:48.01 | crashanddie | so freddy mercury had tape worms? |
| 14:48.13 | javispedro | RST38h: being Venom |
| 14:48.17 | RST38h | crashanddie: Most US high schoolers come to the universities with egos the size of the Mt Doom |
| 14:48.27 | n000b | the plural of 'royalty' is 'royalty'. tsk tsk |
| 14:48.36 | RST38h | hides |
| 14:48.39 | RurouniJones | We are not amused |
| 14:48.53 | crashanddie | n000b, no it's not |
| 14:49.01 | RST38h | crashanddie: So, they get that "I" beaten out of them during ENGL101 |
| 14:49.32 | crashanddie | n000b, "royalties", as in usage-based payments is a valid use of the word |
| 14:49.37 | derf | Most of the students with egos skip ENGL101. |
| 14:49.42 | RST38h | crashanddie: But, before that happens, "I" and "like" make for very good filter rules ;) |
| 14:49.51 | RST38h | derf: Well, you can't do that really |
| 14:49.56 | crashanddie | RST38h, ever seen that poem? |
| 14:50.05 | derf | You could where I went to school. |
| 14:50.07 | RST38h | derf: You can take it while in high school, but can't skip it |
| 14:50.21 | RST38h | crashanddie: No, which one? |
| 14:50.24 | derf | Decent HS english grades got you out of freshman English. |
| 14:50.41 | derf | No one audited the HS english classes to see if they actually taught anything. |
| 14:50.48 | RST38h | derf: Oh |
| 14:51.24 | n000b | crashanddie: hmm... if money could talk... |
| 14:51.30 | crashanddie | RST38h, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNIBV87wV4 |
| 14:52.35 | RST38h | crashanddie: why am I feeling that someone SHOULD HAVE said all that ? =) |
| 14:53.48 | crashanddie | RST38h, this is another one from Taylor Mali which is worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tshNfYWPlDg&feature=related |
| 14:55.26 | derf | RST38h: I suspect it was a consequence of having too many engineering students and not enough English professors. Since it's hard to hire professors for the sole purpose of teaching freshman English sections. |
| 14:56.12 | RST38h | derf: I actually took 101 at ...mhm... a community college :) |
| 14:56.50 | lcuk | Crystal ball thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=377017#post377017 |
| 14:57.19 | RST38h | strokes his crystal balls |
| 14:57.32 | RST38h | lcuk: So, willing to bet at which point iPhone will be mentioned? |
| 14:58.04 | lcuk | well you just godwined it yourself, do you want one? |
| 14:58.23 | RST38h | An iPhone? No, not really :( |
| 14:58.45 | lcuk | then post what you would like |
| 14:58.48 | RST38h | lcuk: But you probably know what I want - I want Startrek PADDs of all sizes |
| 14:58.56 | *** join/#maemo GiantTalkingCow (n=gianttal@adsl-76-242-26-4.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 14:58.58 | RST38h | All right, let us play this game for a change =) |
| 14:59.09 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:02.10 | *** join/#maemo BBNS (n=bbns@184.219.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net) |
| 15:04.42 | lcuk | crashanddie, you are normally vocal, get in on the crystal ball thread o_O :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=377017#post377017 |
| 15:04.45 | *** join/#maemo Zambezi (i=Zulu@80.67.9.2) |
| 15:05.34 | crashanddie | people are using my words now? |
| 15:05.45 | lcuk | try it |
| 15:06.16 | crashanddie | not an interesting thread |
| 15:06.42 | crashanddie | lcuk, speculation makes a spec out of u and some guy named lation |
| 15:07.07 | RST38h | crashanddie: In fact, lcuk may be correct with his subject choice |
| 15:07.27 | RST38h | crashanddie: If he intends to pull off all those Oct2009ers into that thread |
| 15:07.47 | javispedro | and then ban them? :) |
| 15:07.49 | javispedro | it's a trap! |
| 15:07.50 | javispedro | lol |
| 15:07.53 | RST38h | How interesting it is for the regulars is irrelevant |
| 15:09.06 | *** join/#maemo gunni (n=quassel@xdsl-81-173-178-102.netcologne.de) |
| 15:11.14 | lcuk | lol RST38h you make it sound like regulars are living their perfect future now with no ambition or thought about what they would like! |
| 15:11.43 | lcuk | i know its good, but its not everything :D |
| 15:11.50 | RST38h | lcuk: No, I make it sound like regulars are pretty tired of discussing "the future of internet tablets" now |
| 15:12.03 | RST38h | it is more or less like discussing the existance of absence of God |
| 15:12.07 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:12.15 | lcuk | god is banned for 10 days, sorry |
| 15:12.26 | RST38h | BTW, yea, so we have a definite answer to this one |
| 15:12.32 | lcuk | we found out yesterday he exists and hes a pita |
| 15:12.46 | RST38h | nothing medication can't fix though |
| 15:13.42 | lcuk | indeed |
| 15:14.07 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 15:17.16 | *** join/#maemo SD69 (i=ae64f3fe@gateway/web/freenode/x-loacvlzuidxxzxuj) |
| 15:17.30 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0C0BA.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:18.12 | *** join/#maemo samppa (n=samppa@85.23.21.111) |
| 15:19.32 | crashanddie | lcuk, done |
| 15:19.37 | crashanddie | lcuk, never tell me I didn't do anything for you |
| 15:20.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, you never did anything for me. |
| 15:20.19 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:20.23 | mavhc | you won't get drugged for believing in invisible things as long as you say they don't actually do anything |
| 15:21.39 | bcat | hi, does anyone know when updated ESBox and/or Pluthon versions will be out? The integration builds are still based on Eclipse 3.4 and Pydev 1.4.7. |
| 15:22.35 | bcat | and I'm not able to update Pydev by manually adding the update site (version conflict with the one coming with ESBox). |
| 15:22.52 | lcuk | crashanddie, have you got a ticket in the system about the BES support etc and are you talking to the right people often enough |
| 15:23.11 | crashanddie | lcuk, no, no |
| 15:23.49 | crashanddie | lcuk, when I attended the "business apps" talk at the summit, it was a bit of a joke |
| 15:24.05 | crashanddie | the guy talked about how he read his emails in bed, and how he had his music playlist for his walk to the office |
| 15:24.06 | *** join/#maemo z4chh (n=zach@128.194.74.130) |
| 15:24.34 | crashanddie | when I asked about "Exchange Integration" they said it was there, but it doesn't work (for emails, hah, the joke!) |
| 15:24.53 | crashanddie | when I asked about VPN support, or meeting-makers, they said they never thought about it |
| 15:25.46 | lcuk | nods |
| 15:26.03 | javispedro | bah, the business edition is no longer where the money is. or at least, that's what companies think. |
| 15:26.20 | lcuk | and hence why your sim remains in your blackberry right now |
| 15:26.28 | crashanddie | yup |
| 15:26.29 | javispedro | which is a pity, truly. I liked PDAs better when they were suited for suits |
| 15:26.42 | ShadowJK | my biggest gripe with S60 is the crap VPN support |
| 15:26.45 | ShadowJK | needs VPN :/ |
| 15:26.47 | javispedro | which is something ironic considering I've never used it for business, but still. |
| 15:27.09 | crashanddie | javispedro, because the nxx0 never had anything making it usable? |
| 15:27.34 | RST38h | true |
| 15:27.36 | lcuk | finding the right balance with the software stack is important, this platform is capable with the right planning |
| 15:27.44 | crashanddie | yeah, it definitely is |
| 15:27.51 | RST38h | actually, Nokia's "budget" line still has good phones |
| 15:27.55 | crashanddie | but my company is having wet feet because it doesn't have a business appeal |
| 15:28.07 | javispedro | no, because "business" for me is just plain email, not working in any company using anything propietary yet |
| 15:28.09 | RST38h | crashanddie: what are you making, anyway? |
| 15:28.28 | crashanddie | I'm working my ass off in my free time trying to get some of my company products working on the N900, and I'm making very good progress, but it's not funded by the company |
| 15:28.32 | javispedro | doesn't even use the phone much |
| 15:28.50 | crashanddie | RST38h, we're in IT security |
| 15:28.55 | RST38h | crashanddie: oh ok |
| 15:29.12 | RST38h | I think there WAS at least one business case for a security scanning suite running on N800 |
| 15:29.28 | crashanddie | I need USB OTG though |
| 15:29.37 | RST38h | They took a standard N800, installed their software and sold it for $$$$$$ |
| 15:29.43 | RST38h | why? |
| 15:30.05 | crashanddie | With what I've done on the platform, if I can get USB OTG, I can sell the N900 to 2 million people across the US ;) |
| 15:31.11 | RST38h | can't you supply power externally? |
| 15:31.24 | *** join/#maemo holydevil_ (n=holydevi@nat/yahoo/x-xkjwkahlwoyjewti) |
| 15:31.31 | ShadowJK | i think there's more to it than power.. |
| 15:31.42 | lcuk | you can prove concept with bt |
| 15:31.48 | viq | what is USB OTG ? |
| 15:31.50 | lcuk | or even with n810 |
| 15:31.57 | crashanddie | lcuk, concept is proven |
| 15:32.00 | lcuk | show it working, put a proposal together |
| 15:32.09 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: investigate sdio maybe |
| 15:32.13 | RST38h | show it working to Nokia |
| 15:32.14 | ShadowJK | USB OTG is impossible. The hardware isn't connected. USB Host might be possible, maybe :) |
| 15:32.19 | RST38h | Namely, to QGil and friends |
| 15:32.31 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, we're already using the SD port |
| 15:32.48 | RST38h | Make it a case for OTG |
| 15:32.51 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: beyond 32 gb internal, and the ext minisd? :P |
| 15:32.55 | lcuk | nods @ rst |
| 15:32.57 | RST38h | Although I have heard that the chances are slim |
| 15:33.13 | lcuk | it might be right now |
| 15:33.15 | RST38h | It is a hardware limitation they can't work around in software |
| 15:33.17 | VDVsx | Q: what looks better for a project name: Support for Bluetooth keyboards or Bluetooth keyboards support or <name_it> |
| 15:33.29 | ShadowJK | first one is better |
| 15:33.29 | RST38h | VDVsx: Bluetooth Keyboard Enabler |
| 15:34.37 | RST38h | BTW, Apple BT keyboards do not work =( |
| 15:34.53 | VDVsx | RST38h, seems a bit more geeky no ? |
| 15:34.54 | ShadowJK | apple is a special case of broken... |
| 15:34.58 | *** join/#maemo hardaker2 (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 15:35.07 | ShadowJK | surprisingly Microsoft's hardware is usually very good and compatible with everything :-) |
| 15:35.13 | RST38h | VDVsx: No, the "enabler" thing bring the sense of resolution |
| 15:35.31 | VDVsx | sends the bluetooth specs to Steve ;) |
| 15:35.38 | RST38h | VDVsx: Like an enema can be called "a gastric enabler" =) |
| 15:35.38 | ShadowJK | how about just "Bluetooth Keyboard" |
| 15:35.44 | *** join/#maemo unixSnob (n=unixSnob@starfury.spearlink.com) |
| 15:36.14 | lcuk | VDVsx, on which device and for what |
| 15:36.23 | lcuk | i thought bt keyboards were a done and dusted deal? |
| 15:36.34 | crashanddie | http://www.corestreet.com/img/pivman.jpg |
| 15:36.49 | VDVsx | lcuk, no you've to mess with the system files |
| 15:37.03 | VDVsx | not good for 'regular' users, IMO |
| 15:37.09 | RST38h | crashanddie: is that what you make? =) |
| 15:37.25 | crashanddie | RST38h, no, but you get the idea |
| 15:37.32 | lcuk | "bluetooth configurator to leverage the power of tactile input devices" |
| 15:37.43 | VDVsx | lol |
| 15:37.44 | ShadowJK | shoots lcuk |
| 15:38.07 | *** join/#maemo kalikiana (n=kalikian@xfce/goodies-developer/kalikiana) |
| 15:40.21 | lcuk | my dcim folder is massive |
| 15:40.41 | crashanddie | flickr ftw |
| 15:41.35 | lcuk | you only post your best shots to flickr |
| 15:41.45 | crashanddie | nope, everything goes on there |
| 15:41.55 | lcuk | i am used to coming home after an event and just clicking one button and dropping everything off machine |
| 15:41.59 | lcuk | /camera |
| 15:42.08 | lcuk | ill have to setup the same for this |
| 15:42.12 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Only if you have a pro account |
| 15:42.21 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Or do under 100M/mo of photos |
| 15:42.24 | lcuk | and i like my photos nearby |
| 15:42.25 | crashanddie | which costs like £18 for a year |
| 15:42.30 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: true. |
| 15:42.33 | crashanddie | so £1.2 / month |
| 15:42.47 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: but flickr blows in many ways, so I'm unwilling to spend the money. |
| 15:42.49 | lcuk | dont you have to select each pic to upload |
| 15:43.00 | wazd | lcuk: windows does this, like, for all media stuff |
| 15:43.26 | lcuk | wazd, it never did with my stuff in the way i wanted, ive got folders containing each holiday/event ive ever been to |
| 15:44.16 | lcuk | currently that folder contains about 20gb of my digital life |
| 15:44.20 | *** join/#maemo MSameerWork (n=mohammed@a88-115-21-252.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 15:44.24 | SpeedEvil | backed up I hope |
| 15:44.28 | lcuk | nods |
| 15:44.33 | lcuk | dvd ftw |
| 15:44.37 | lcuk | multiple times |
| 15:44.42 | lcuk | over the years |
| 15:45.12 | wazd | Printed photos ftw :) |
| 15:46.47 | lcuk | as longas stored in reasonable dated books i agree wazd |
| 15:47.02 | lcuk | if they are just dropped into a shoebox their value deminishes |
| 15:48.14 | wazd | Well, anything dropped in a shoe box has demenished value :P |
| 15:48.56 | lcuk | apart from new shoes :D my missus loves em lol |
| 15:49.18 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:51.22 | wazd | My Adobe Lightroom cries "No! No again!" every time I come back with d-slr |
| 15:51.31 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 15:51.37 | lcuk | heh how powerful is your home machine? |
| 15:52.27 | wazd | Powerful, but usually I shoot out 2x16 Gb CFs |
| 15:53.28 | wazd | And that's a lot to copy) |
| 15:53.40 | lcuk | yeah but im on an amd 3200+ crappy cpu with 2gb mem only, what spec are you upto? |
| 15:53.56 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12 (n=Faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 15:54.10 | wazd | X2 4200, 4gb ram |
| 15:54.11 | lcuk | do you use dedicated card reader or just copy via usb2/firewire or whatever the rage is now |
| 15:54.46 | wazd | Usb from the camera |
| 15:55.01 | wazd | Same as card-reader |
| 15:55.13 | lcuk | heh, my xp box has given up knowing its got usb2 and moans every day |
| 15:55.20 | lcuk | its faster now to copy via ssh |
| 15:55.22 | *** join/#maemo fab_ (n=bellet@bellet.info) |
| 15:56.07 | *** part/#maemo n000b (n=n00000b@smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk) |
| 15:57.02 | *** join/#maemo nielsslot (n=quassel@86.93.198.169) |
| 16:00.12 | RST38h | lcuk: Heh, you only managed to attract one Oct2009er |
| 16:00.19 | lcuk | so far |
| 16:00.28 | RST38h | With expected comment too |
| 16:00.56 | lcuk | shrugs. |
| 16:01.01 | lcuk | like i said, it takes more than one |
| 16:01.18 | lcuk | but at least im not just sitting back moaning :) |
| 16:01.20 | RST38h | let's wait and see =) |
| 16:01.25 | lcuk | nods |
| 16:01.32 | RST38h | moans melodically |
| 16:03.38 | *** join/#maemo eplawless_ (n=eplawles@CPE001346f57c1f-CM0011aec5c074.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 16:05.27 | *** join/#maemo tiflsc (n=tiflsc@2001:638:904:ffc2:21e:8cff:fe0d:452c) |
| 16:06.48 | *** join/#maemo Bleadof (i=tarmo@130.234.184.94) |
| 16:10.00 | RST38h | lcuk: Seen that memoir by the nuclear propulsion guy? |
| 16:13.06 | pupnik | from sweden? |
| 16:13.46 | RST38h | No, the american guy, you have seen it |
| 16:14.13 | *** join/#maemo mikhas (n=mikhas@p4FC23C0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:14.14 | lcuk | post link, cant remember if seen |
| 16:17.06 | *** join/#maemo hardaker2 (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 16:17.48 | RST38h | lcuk: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/15/zuppero_solar_system/ |
| 16:21.22 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-113-140-230.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 16:22.45 | *** join/#maemo Andrewfblack (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 16:27.17 | kurtan | frals_: there? |
| 16:28.42 | timeless_mbp | ok. mxr.maemo.org/fremantle search index is transfering, there's one minor bug in the results page that i know of |
| 16:28.48 | timeless_mbp | but it should transfer in a bit |
| 16:29.04 | kurtan | god damit, the N900 is better then i thought.. |
| 16:29.08 | kurtan | the wait is worth it |
| 16:29.26 | kurtan | got to play with it for a while today |
| 16:29.58 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 16:30.29 | kurtan | http://kurtan.se/swec/_DS32817.jpg |
| 16:30.30 | kurtan | <3 |
| 16:30.40 | kurtan | its a natural irc-device |
| 16:30.40 | kurtan | :D |
| 16:34.04 | *** join/#maemo Sync08_ (n=moot@85.101.231.94) |
| 16:34.18 | aSIMULAter | an IRCers dream come true |
| 16:35.08 | *** join/#maemo baze (n=baze@78.52.77.211) |
| 16:35.13 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (n=Xisdibik@c-24-5-197-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 16:36.24 | RST38h | aSIMULAter: Frankly, letters are too small and/or there are too few of 'em =) |
| 16:36.53 | kurtan | really, i'll probably make the font even smaller when i get my own |
| 16:37.27 | *** join/#maemo DarwinSurvivor (n=DarwinSu@S0106000f6683e05d.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 16:37.30 | Klowner | I hope amazon starts shipping soon |
| 16:42.42 | *** join/#maemo letusgothen__ (n=letusgot@76-10-150-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 16:43.22 | trbs | can I show a banner without the need of a GtkWidget as defined in hildon_banner_show_information () ? |
| 16:44.33 | *** join/#maemo mikkov (n=user@85-156-123-212.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 16:44.40 | aSIMULAter | they physical kb has never really been an issue with my fingers cause they're small anyways |
| 16:44.55 | RST38h | keyboard is no problem, true |
| 16:44.58 | RST38h | screen is though |
| 16:45.08 | aSIMULAter | screen's ok for me, i even have my font at 10pt in terminal |
| 16:45.10 | qwerty12 | trbs: If this is for Fremantle, NULL works. Giving it a widget just makes the banner transient for a window |
| 16:45.43 | aSIMULAter | it could be a tiny bit bigger but |
| 16:45.46 | aSIMULAter | not my call hehe |
| 16:45.49 | RST38h | lucky |
| 16:46.47 | trbs | qwerty12, thanks, yeah it's Fremantle.. then I must be doing something else wrong cause it's spitting out glib errors |
| 16:47.16 | javispedro | how's the nokia conspiracy for not allowing any more diablo apps in the repos going? |
| 16:47.42 | qwerty12 | trbs: Ah, I've only checked on the device, where GLib errors don't seem to be visible... |
| 16:50.38 | pupnik | qwerty12: what do you use for "pipe" char on N900 - anything i can google? |
| 16:51.25 | qwerty12 | pupnik: I just press the pipe character on the symbol selection dialog... |
| 16:51.32 | *** join/#maemo baze (n=baze@78.52.77.211) |
| 16:51.39 | pupnik | k |
| 16:51.48 | pupnik | it is time to remap |
| 16:56.33 | pupnik | aaand the winner of the Least Important Character is..... |
| 16:56.41 | qwerty12 | $ |
| 16:56.57 | pupnik | heh close ...the British Pound! |
| 16:57.12 | qwerty12 | grumbles at pupnik |
| 16:57.40 | ShadowJK | how about z, you can type everything with s instead and appear as some sort of intellectual pompous twit |
| 16:57.49 | javispedro | runs out of lesser important characters |
| 16:58.14 | range | sero impact for the sany english language. |
| 16:58.19 | qwerty12 | Remapping the N810 keyboard was easy: Just remove the Yen |
| 16:58.29 | ShadowJK | c too, use k |
| 16:58.59 | RST38h | votes for the poind sign |
| 16:59.02 | RST38h | pound |
| 16:59.13 | RST38h | Nobody really needs anything but the $ sign =) |
| 16:59.34 | alterego | But the pound is worth quite a bit more than the dollar .. |
| 17:00.00 | lcuk | without pund sing how would all the twats make hashtags? |
| 17:00.04 | lcuk | pound |
| 17:00.41 | lcuk | is dyslexic today |
| 17:00.45 | range | I think he means the pound sterling thingy - but that could be replaced with EUR. |
| 17:00.50 | RST38h | No, I mean the f thing, not the # |
| 17:01.09 | range | £ |
| 17:01.24 | derf | This is why God invented the Compose key. |
| 17:02.03 | RST38h | Just replace 'em all with the bug sign |
| 17:02.06 | RST38h | And be done with it |
| 17:02.14 | *** join/#maemo dirk2 (n=dirk@p5B04068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:03.55 | *** join/#maemo mikkov1 (n=user@xdsl-83-150-82-126.nebulazone.fi) |
| 17:04.12 | *** join/#maemo zs (n=zs@188-220-50-10.zone11.bethere.co.uk) |
| 17:04.43 | *** join/#maemo JoakimCarli (n=eeeeh@c83-252-242-250.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:07.20 | pupnik | here, check my n900 live direct video feed! http://pupnik.de/live |
| 17:07.35 | qwerty12 | Put some clothes on! |
| 17:07.44 | mikhas | object not found |
| 17:07.50 | pupnik | ... exactly |
| 17:08.15 | lcuk | pupnik, install webcam server software on your server |
| 17:08.18 | lcuk | and it will work |
| 17:08.25 | lcuk | or can rather |
| 17:08.26 | *** join/#maemo avs (n=avs@a91-153-253-251.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 17:08.43 | pupnik | no live video feed for n900. qik is not the answer :) |
| 17:09.00 | trbs | sigh |
| 17:09.21 | mikhas | that screen on the homepage's background is pretty impressive .. |
| 17:10.44 | pupnik | it is indeed .. 22" iiyama diamondtron |
| 17:11.12 | pupnik | just need shutterglasses... |
| 17:11.24 | *** join/#maemo DarwinSurvivor (n=DarwinSu@S0106000f6683e05d.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 17:11.38 | *** join/#maemo b-man17 (n=b-man17@pool-98-115-74-139.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:18.06 | *** join/#maemo b-man17 (n=b-man17@pool-98-115-74-139.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:19.00 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 17:20.09 | pupnik | some sdl aps from n800 seem to "just run" on n90p |
| 17:20.26 | javispedro | of course, not much has changed |
| 17:20.33 | javispedro | the worst part is Xsp |
| 17:22.05 | RST38h | Xsp improved, hasn't it? |
| 17:22.37 | javispedro | well, I don' have hardware, but it's been said to me it just blacks the screen when composited and does nothing when not composited. |
| 17:24.40 | *** join/#maemo GiantTalkingCow (n=gianttal@adsl-76-242-26-4.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:26.55 | *** join/#maemo b-man17 (n=b-man17@pool-98-115-74-139.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:27.22 | Stskeeps | anyone did x11vnc on n900 yet? |
| 17:27.29 | *** part/#maemo GiantTalkingCow (n=gianttal@adsl-76-242-26-4.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 17:28.19 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the server side? |
| 17:28.24 | *** join/#maemo rdorsch (n=rd@p5B204506.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:28.47 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 17:29.02 | Stskeeps | so i can have a n900 window on my desktop |
| 17:29.03 | lcuk | not seen yet |
| 17:29.18 | lcuk | isnt it a bit different now with the compositing etc |
| 17:29.20 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) |
| 17:33.06 | *** join/#maemo dirk2 (n=dirk@p5B04068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:37.24 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_500x_crunchpad.jpg |
| 17:43.25 | *** join/#maemo sphenxes01 (n=sphenxes@85-127-168-223.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 17:44.44 | pupnik | pingus could run 15-20fps but it has some memory problems |
| 17:45.14 | pupnik | runs smooth, jerky, smooth |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo xci_ (i=mika@nefele.org) |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo mmu_screen (n=revol@ns366953.ovh.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo jaska (n=jaska@81.209.120.154) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo glass (i=glass@ip242.otanner5.opintanner.fi) |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo Laiska (n=Teemu@shell.evtek.fi) |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo zchydem_work (n=mmt@vpn-pub2.hard.ware.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo Patina (n=tomas@1385158752.dhcp.dbnet.dk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.28 | *** join/#maemo sphenxes01 (n=sphenxes@85-127-168-223.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.39 | *** join/#maemo thp (n=thp@85.124.128.224) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.39 | *** join/#maemo alextreme (n=alex@82-171-161-1.ip.telfort.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.39 | *** join/#maemo derf (i=ptolemy@pool-173-66-156-13.washdc.fios.verizon.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.39 | *** join/#maemo EgS (n=egs@quassel-irc.mindpool.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:52.39 | *** join/#maemo hannesw__ (n=hannes@91-114-161-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 17:52.47 | *** join/#maemo cvandonderen (n=quassel@ikben.in) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:53.31 | *** join/#maemo johnx (n=john@c-98-203-215-72.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:53.32 | *** join/#maemo mord (n=ahamal@cs.Joensuu.FI) |
| 17:53.39 | *** join/#maemo romaxa (n=romaxa@noise.cosmicparrot.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:53.50 | *** join/#maemo cure` (n=cure@rzavelli.demon.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:54.20 | b-man17 | wonders if Stskeeps still has the old Deblet installer laying around somewhere.. some of the code snippets could be useful for accessing system tools :) |
| 17:54.48 | *** join/#maemo dok (i=blablubb@insane-hypertyper.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:57.27 | *** join/#maemo ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 17:57.27 | *** join/#maemo homeasvs__ (n=thomas@136.225-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:57.27 | *** join/#maemo RichiH (i=richih@freenode/staff/richih) |
| 17:57.27 | *** mode/#maemo [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#maemo Empero_ (i=empero@ui.fi) |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#maemo fab_ (n=bellet@bellet.info) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#maemo guerby (n=guerby@234.156.90-79.rev.gaoland.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#maemo Tigge (n=tigge@c-5ba372d5.015-28-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.37 | *** join/#maemo Nitial (n=sslaitin@kekkonen.cs.hut.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo unixSnob (n=unixSnob@starfury.spearlink.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo Flyser (n=flyser@unaffiliated/flyser) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo shdb (n=shdb@80-218-240-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (n=pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo EgS (n=egs@quassel/developer/egs) |
| 17:59.43 | *** join/#maemo Empero (i=empero@ui.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 17:59.56 | *** join/#maemo SD69 (i=ae64f3fe@gateway/web/freenode/x-loacvlzuidxxzxuj) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo zigo__ (n=zigo@116.225.201.33) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo Veggen (n=vegard@vegard.engen.priv.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (n=pcfe@a88-115-15-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo fredix (n=fredix@xvm-23-106.ghst.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo t5vaha01 (i=t5vaha01@rhea.oamk.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo avs (n=avs@a91-153-253-251.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo bcat (n=sj@mgdb-4db8cf80.pool.mediaWays.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo ab[out] (n=ab@pdpc/supporter/professional/ab) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.00 | *** join/#maemo onion (n=milang@tori.tal.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.09 | *** join/#maemo lolf (n=lolf@phat.cat) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.09 | *** join/#maemo ab_ (n=ab@pdpc/supporter/professional/ab) |
| 18:00.23 | *** join/#maemo EqS (n=egs@quassel-irc.mindpool.net) |
| 18:00.24 | *** join/#maemo unixSnob_ (n=unixSnob@starfury.spearlink.com) |
| 18:00.35 | *** join/#maemo shdb (n=shdb@80-218-240-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 18:00.35 | *** join/#maemo croppa (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo AstralStorm (n=nastrals@153.19.7.19) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo tekonivel-o (n=mace@YXLV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo Bleadof (i=tarmo@130.234.184.94) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo nielsslot (n=quassel@86.93.198.169) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo z4chh (n=zach@128.194.74.130) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo sampppa_ (n=samppa@85.23.21.111) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo borism (n=boris@213.35.232.204) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo dolphin (n=dolphin@unaffiliated/dolphin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo EspadaV8_L (n=espadav8@unaffiliated/espadav8) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo simula_ (n=mark@c-24-16-132-121.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo Chani (n=chani@twinsen.warpedgames.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo dottedmag (n=dottedma@altlinux/developer/dottedmag) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo cpt_nemo (i=cpt_nemo@saga.ftbfs.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo tekonivel (n=user@77.72.56.56) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo sulx (n=sulx@85.23.15.158) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo ustunozgur_ (n=ustun@139.179.12.67) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo DerSaidin (n=dersaidi@pdpc/supporter/student/dersaidin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo Lupu (n=lupu@82-128-193-217-Torikatu-TR1.suomi.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo JosefAssad (n=josef@1385158235.dhcp.dbnet.dk) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo osku- (n=osku@cs181145060.pp.htv.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo rektide (i=rektide@204.11.35.230) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo dev (n=dev@85.214.93.178) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo tipi^ (i=pihlstro@130.230.10.20) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo ali1234 (n=al@87.106.101.225) |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo fragment (i=fragment@83.150.87.73) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo kulve (i=e11c6b53@81.22.249.143) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.36 | *** join/#maemo lbt (n=david@Maemo/community/contributor/lbt) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo RurouniJones (n=rurounij@87.106.253.190) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo CShadowRun (n=cshadowr@87.117.230.229) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo pyhimys (n=kytomaki@193.65.59.9) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo zgold (n=zgold@68.32.201.2) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo post_j (n=poster@75-1-214-255.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo nnod_ (n=nnod@129.194.71.124) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo sijk (n=kivimaki@62.237.122.78) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo dobi (i=gintomik@130.231.60.122) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo Iridian (n=iridian@130.233.192.7) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.37 | *** join/#maemo argontus (n=argontus@130.234.202.33) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo zash (n=zash@80.244.94.84) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo parasight_ (i=parasigh@propelli.cop.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo GeneralAntilles (n=ryan@Maemo/community/contributor/GeneralAntilles) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo riot (n=wntrmut@137.226.147.251) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo marant (i=marant@nikita.tnnet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo zemm (i=zemm@underkround.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo r2d2rogers (n=r2d2roge@unaffiliated/r2d2rogers) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo thauta (n=thautako@tuomi.oulu.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo mtrlt (n=kakka@80.221.49.63) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo Macer (n=mace@75.149.211.201) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo ElPollo (n=jurgen@77.170.137.88) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo suihkulokki (n=nchip@afflict.kos.to) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo Dasajev (i=dankkan@xob.kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo jumpula (i=jussi@smooth.piipiip.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo Suurorca (n=Suurorca@ruuvi.it.helsinki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo Dzarg (n=dzarg@a91-153-156-3.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo Passeli (n=passeli@85.23.73.223) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo sge (n=username@andesiitti.telemail.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo mikkov_ (n=mtvartia@vipunen.hut.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:00.38 | *** join/#maemo karbas (i=karbas@thalassa.inside.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo prozzerg (i=prozzerg@prozzerg.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo asedeno_work (n=asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo vesa (n=vesku@net29.projectcast.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo Myrtti (i=myrtti@ubuntu/member/myrtti) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo inz (i=inz@maemo-hackers.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo Mozillion (n=paul@2001:610:1118:0:260:97ff:feda:1033) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo Jiten (n=blight@nbl172.fotokone.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo acidjazz (i=acidjazz@notchill.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo jjo (i=jjo@kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo IRSeekBot (n=IRSeekLo@irseek/log-bot/IRSeekBot) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo Timpii (n=Timo@kawari.kabuto.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo tigert (i=tigert@kapsi.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo ormiret (n=ormiret@bodaegl.ormiret.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:02.31 | *** join/#maemo lool (n=lool@debian/developer/lool) |
| 18:02.34 | *** join/#maemo igagis_ (n=igagis@84.17.11.114) |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo hardaker2 (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo frals (n=frals@c-15f5e155.44-3-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo JoakimCarli (n=eeeeh@c83-252-242-250.bredband.comhem.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo Andrewfblack (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo mikhas (n=mikhas@p4FC23C0D.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo holydevil (n=holydevi@nat/yahoo/x-xkjwkahlwoyjewti) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo Vulcanis (n=CBabbage@uhartford236105.hartford.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo ssvb (n=ssvb___@a88-112-120-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo Londo (n=m@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-ff04c000-105.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-168-223.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo kabtoffe (n=kbergstr@hoasb-ff0ddd00-14.dhcp.inet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo ahf (i=ahf@irssi/staff/ahf) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo nomis (i=simon@vmax.unix-ag.uni-siegen.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo ccooke (n=ccooke@cpc1-walt12-2-0-cust1002.13-2.cable.virginmedia.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.37 | *** join/#maemo LoCusF_ (n=asuomala@cs.uku.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo keesj (n=keesj@ip49-193-210-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo sp3000 (n=tt@hoasnet-fe21dd00-183.dhcp.inet.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo ds3 (i=noinf@netblock-66-245-251-24.dslextreme.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo wnd (n=wnd@katei.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo orbarron|OoO (n=orb@nat/ti/x-zwkrijwferfhcxux) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.38 | *** join/#maemo vre (n=vre@vre.iki.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 18:03.45 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (i=lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk) |
| 18:04.15 | *** join/#maemo Flyser_ (n=flyser@p5B27537F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:05.07 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:06.38 | Chani | heh. my n900 won't let me go offline |
| 18:06.53 | Chani | it's not really online either, though |
| 18:07.40 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (n=pupnik@p54B2C83F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:11.19 | *** join/#maemo holydevil_ (n=holydevi@122.167.111.134) |
| 18:11.31 | RST38h | Chani; Switch into Airplane Mode (with all radios off), then back |
| 18:12.16 | *** join/#maemo pancake (n=pancake@242.Red-88-11-3.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:12.28 | pancake | how can I run a command as root in a hildon app? |
| 18:12.34 | Stskeeps | sudo? :P |
| 18:12.53 | *** join/#maemo Meiz__TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:14.03 | *** join/#maemo warp10 (n=warp10@beeseek.org) |
| 18:14.21 | ShadowJK | heh, a airplanemode cycle still required now and hten on n900? same as S60 then :) |
| 18:15.30 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 18:16.48 | RST38h | Hmmm....the script kiddie got to iNES =) |
| 18:18.28 | RST38h | Looks like he is artificially lowering the the votes for every single app in the Maemo5 Downloads list, except for the fresh ones, to which he apparently has not got yet |
| 18:20.12 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I had to do it a few times, usually after GPRS got stuck between some towers |
| 18:20.29 | ShadowJK | sounds familiar |
| 18:21.04 | ShadowJK | sadly the system seems to be so overengineered that the operator and handset manufacturer can blame eachother indefinitely |
| 18:21.53 | *** join/#maemo baze (n=baze@78.52.77.211) |
| 18:23.04 | *** join/#maemo felipe` (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) |
| 18:23.08 | pancake | any idea about how can I run a command as root in a hildon app? |
| 18:23.40 | ShadowJK | with my s60 phone it only happens on one operator, though I haven't used it as extensively on the non-buggy operator... |
| 18:23.50 | *** part/#maemo Sync08_ (n=moot@85.101.231.94) |
| 18:23.56 | *** join/#maemo VDVsx (n=Valerio@Maemo/community/council/VDVsx) |
| 18:24.23 | RST38h | happens to me in a single location at my way to work |
| 18:24.52 | RST38h | actually, n900 only breaks gprs connection there, usually |
| 18:24.53 | *** join/#maemo Meizirkki (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:25.17 | RST38h | e70 needed an off/on cycle for radios and sometimes even rebooted |
| 18:26.09 | *** join/#maemo edgar2 (n=edgar2@fatmama.karen.abo.fi) |
| 18:26.21 | sp3000 | pancake: an option is to ship a simple safe suid executable and call that |
| 18:27.21 | sp3000 | and try to not make it do arbitrary things :) |
| 18:27.45 | sp3000 | reorders a few words |
| 18:28.22 | pupnik | pancake: maybe the app needs SUID = root |
| 18:28.27 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 18:29.01 | lcuk | pancake, generally one does not run root into mordor |
| 18:29.04 | pancake | ok |
| 18:29.06 | pupnik | or maybe it really shouldnt do whatever you are thinking-of |
| 18:29.17 | pancake | but it is not much clear for the platform |
| 18:29.20 | lcuk | but what reason do you need dangerous things |
| 18:29.27 | pancake | i mean, there is gksudo and stuff like this |
| 18:29.32 | pancake | gnome-keyring and so |
| 18:29.46 | pupnik | hmm cool |
| 18:30.08 | RST38h | why do you need a reason to do dangerous things, lcuk? |
| 18:30.37 | pancake | setup bluetooth |
| 18:30.45 | sp3000 | yeah I don't know if those exist here |
| 18:31.23 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 18:31.23 | sp3000 | something more than what you can get via gconf / dbus? |
| 18:31.31 | lcuk | RST38h, just understanding how it works and wanting to do as much as possible as user rather than just generically stepping to root |
| 18:31.51 | pupnik | yes, a well defined api is better than "give me root" |
| 18:32.37 | *** join/#maemo n6pfk (n=n6pfk__@96.238.186.191) |
| 18:34.05 | sp3000 | if something built-in twiddles the same bits you want to twiddle then monitoring dbus / gconf while operating those guis might be helpful |
| 18:34.21 | sp3000 | if it's something quite diffrerent then possibly not so helpful :) |
| 18:35.59 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/ now featuring /fremantle |
| 18:36.33 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp++ |
| 18:37.09 | Stskeeps | rather enjoys x11vnc of n900 on his linux desktop |
| 18:37.15 | Stskeeps | now if the cursor handling was better.. |
| 18:37.21 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: I was trying to run a python program on Maemo and it gave an import error: no module named zope.interface |
| 18:37.24 | dmj7261 | I saw that you were the maintainer for it. |
| 18:37.27 | dmj7261 | What seems to be the issue with it? |
| 18:37.32 | dmj7261 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.50 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if someone could possibly verify that things are ok, that'd be appreciated :) |
| 18:40.06 | javispedro | I just searched a few keywords and seems to answer them. |
| 18:41.09 | *** join/#maemo fernand0 (n=beford@186.28.9.171) |
| 18:43.36 | *** join/#maemo pH5_ (n=ph5@g229176074.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:43.59 | javispedro | timeless: btw, mxr could also index garage projects using git ;) |
| 18:44.42 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: do projects convert |
| 18:44.47 | timeless_mbp | or is there a new list? |
| 18:44.54 | timeless_mbp | i had a number of problems w/ garage |
| 18:45.09 | timeless_mbp | one of them is that i hate svn (it's incredibly expensive disk wise) |
| 18:45.17 | javispedro | dunno how it works.... |
| 18:45.27 | timeless_mbp | another was that calculating repo roots and a list of repos was computational expensive |
| 18:45.48 | timeless_mbp | (it involved sequential brute force attacks on quasi well known urls) |
| 18:46.01 | javispedro | heh |
| 18:46.17 | timeless_mbp | the computer i used to stage fremantle has limited disk space and is *not* designated for nokia work |
| 18:46.26 | timeless_mbp | (and doesn't have anywhere near the space required to index garage) |
| 18:47.06 | timeless_mbp | normally i'd use my work computer, but it kinda decayed ages ago and i hadn't spent the time rebuilding it |
| 18:47.13 | timeless_mbp | for garage, the stuff there should still work |
| 18:47.19 | timeless_mbp | so i could probably do it |
| 18:47.26 | timeless_mbp | but i'd still need to figure out the git bits |
| 18:47.31 | timeless_mbp | plus there's maemo.gitorious.org |
| 18:51.19 | pupnik | Stskeeps: can aou share the x11vnc config/bin? |
| 18:51.23 | pupnik | you |
| 18:51.30 | Stskeeps | pupnik: x11vnc from -devel |
| 18:53.11 | CoreFusion- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.46 | *** join/#maemo hannesw__ (n=hannes@91-114-161-63.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 18:56.07 | *** join/#maemo dirk2 (n=dirk@p5B04068B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:56.29 | *** join/#maemo letusgothen (n=letusgot@76-10-150-17.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 18:58.22 | *** join/#maemo alcor (n=cra@dyn-89.136.51.50.cj.upcnet.ro) |
| 18:58.49 | *** part/#maemo alcor (n=cra@dyn-89.136.51.50.cj.upcnet.ro) |
| 18:58.50 | CoreFusion- | looking good :) |
| 19:01.57 | pupnik | Stskeeps: i thought you meant you had a vnc of n900 desktop |
| 19:02.27 | pupnik | kind of an ugly thought |
| 19:02.29 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.30 | Stskeeps | i do |
| 19:02.34 | pupnik | bbl |
| 19:02.39 | Stskeeps | media player :P |
| 19:04.29 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (n=crashand@SecuraBit/listener/crashanddie) |
| 19:04.38 | pwnguin | iNES is on maemo select? |
| 19:04.49 | pwnguin | that seems like lawsuit bait |
| 19:05.43 | luke-jr | ? |
| 19:10.14 | sp3000 | giggles at the "rating" column sorter |
| 19:10.28 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (n=panaggio@200-158-190-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 19:10.29 | sp3000 | the first click sorts if ascending, so you get the lowest rated on top |
| 19:10.39 | sp3000 | s,if,it, |
| 19:10.54 | sp3000 | that's probably exactly what was expected/desired :P |
| 19:12.40 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 19:13.11 | Proteous | I hate sorts that give you the wrong direction first |
| 19:13.44 | *** join/#maemo booiiing (n=[booiiin@cl-959.dus-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 19:13.51 | *** join/#maemo cleary (n=quassel@ppp121-44-56-35.lns20.syd6.internode.on.net) |
| 19:14.39 | *** join/#maemo Ronnie (n=gfhhj@ppp-94-66-55-64.home.otenet.gr) |
| 19:21.04 | *** join/#maemo `0660_ (n=olli@ppp121-45-221-97.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net) |
| 19:25.39 | *** join/#maemo Free_maN (n=Free_maN@unaffiliated/freeman) |
| 19:28.07 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, egads that's obnoxious. |
| 19:28.56 | *** join/#maemo chris231989 (n=chris231@75.42.236.96) |
| 19:29.23 | qwerty12_N900 | Some context, please? :) |
| 19:29.33 | *** join/#maemo Anidel (n=anidel@82-45-62-77.cable.ubr04.mort.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 19:29.40 | Anidel | hi |
| 19:29.54 | qwerty12_N900 | Evening, Anidel |
| 19:30.08 | Anidel | hey qwerty12, good evening to you as well |
| 19:30.25 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (n=geaaru@host34-212-dynamic.30-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:30.26 | lcuk | hey qwerty12_N900 Anidel |
| 19:30.33 | Anidel | hi lcuk |
| 19:30.43 | qwerty12_N900 | Evening, lcuk |
| 19:31.04 | lcuk | hi GeneralAntilles as well \o |
| 19:31.12 | Anidel | nods |
| 19:31.34 | lcuk | was asked a question the other day |
| 19:31.54 | Anidel | doesn't care about lcuk question.. but, alas, what was it? |
| 19:31.54 | lcuk | and im not sure who in the community would be mental enough to manage it |
| 19:33.19 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@54.200.49.122-static.velocitynet.com.au) |
| 19:34.40 | lcuk | ill talk to you on tuesday about it i think Anidel |
| 19:34.52 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, are you goin to london doofer |
| 19:35.02 | qwerty12_N900 | Nope |
| 19:35.25 | Anidel | so you're coming??? |
| 19:35.47 | lcuk | i think so |
| 19:35.58 | lcuk | but i havent had confirmation yet |
| 19:36.31 | Anidel | that'd be cool |
| 19:37.09 | lcuk | indeed it would, lots of beer, playing with toys and i might finally get an n900 :D lol |
| 19:37.27 | Anidel | ? what? you don't have it yet??? |
| 19:37.46 | lcuk | lol ofc i have :P |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk | but i do need to swap mine |
| 19:38.02 | *** join/#maemo Ronaldo38741 (n=Ronald@188-220-219-150.zone11.bethere.co.uk) |
| 19:38.13 | lcuk | its a bit borkened and whenever i try to plug it into a projector it has a shit |
| 19:38.38 | Anidel | eheh :) but I'll win it :p not you |
| 19:38.41 | lcuk | its rather offputting |
| 19:38.47 | Anidel | indeed |
| 19:38.53 | *** join/#maemo klasu___ (n=klasu@a91-153-0-163.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 19:38.59 | Anidel | like it did at the summit |
| 19:39.30 | lcuk | worst thing is it worked at ODZ and it works here at home |
| 19:39.32 | lcuk | but no other projector manages it |
| 19:39.32 | lcuk | *for more than about 2s |
| 19:39.49 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, the Diablo conspiracy. |
| 19:40.56 | qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Yeah... |
| 19:43.45 | *** part/#maemo mikkov1 (n=user@xdsl-83-150-82-126.nebulazone.fi) |
| 19:44.35 | *** join/#maemo vandenoever (n=vandenoe@ip5657eb5b.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 19:44.55 | vandenoever | where can i find the firmware this blog talks about? http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-n900-firmware-4211-nsu/ |
| 19:45.28 | lcuk | with the nokia software updater of course |
| 19:45.32 | lcuk | like the blog talks about |
| 19:46.02 | crashanddie | vandenoever, from the article you linked to: "so I connected via Nokia PC Suite this morning and ran the Nokia Software Updater to discover an update was indeed available. I just downloaded the 161.4 MB file and updated the Nokia N900 to firmware 1.2009.42.11." |
| 19:46.30 | lcuk | but then, if you are one of the 300 with loaned devices: |
| 19:46.31 | lcuk | Andrew Flegg |
| 19:46.31 | lcuk | November 13, 2009 |
| 19:46.31 | lcuk | Apparently, the version in About Product will change (flashed into CAL); however the upgrade itself wont apply: |
| 19:46.31 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 |
| 19:46.37 | lcuk | (thanks jaffa!) |
| 19:46.41 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=372295&postcount=17 |
| 19:46.51 | lcuk | - last line |
| 19:46.53 | crashanddie | lcuk, paste fail |
| 19:47.35 | vandenoever | lcuk: i've a loaner .. |
| 19:48.05 | vandenoever | i wouldnt mind reflashing |
| 19:48.44 | lcuk | read the post |
| 19:49.03 | lcuk | Anidel, how did you manage to reflash? ahhhh you didnt have a device from the summit did you |
| 19:49.41 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: I call bollocks. My hildon-desktop version is newer, at least. |
| 19:49.51 | Anidel | no, I had one earlier... |
| 19:49.58 | Anidel | but did it via windows and NSU |
| 19:50.10 | vandenoever | right so, lcuk, it needs a full flash |
| 19:51.03 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: can i get you to give me a version of the cpa that passes the extra parent xid? |
| 19:51.23 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: btw, please try mxr.maemo.org/fremantle :) |
| 19:52.00 | Anidel | I've read of a guy on talk that did upgrade his via nsu |
| 19:52.23 | lcuk | ive heard scattered reports too |
| 19:52.36 | lcuk | but we dont know which is which, if it wont flash it wont flash |
| 19:52.54 | lcuk | and official folks have said that it wont so, what can we really do \o/ |
| 19:53.17 | Anidel | try :) |
| 19:53.26 | timeless_mbp | won't what? |
| 19:53.35 | lcuk | flash yet |
| 19:53.43 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: I'll get around to it later, tonight |
| 19:55.09 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/gypsy-daemon/debian/ |
| 19:55.24 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 19:55.33 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 19:55.39 | timeless_mbp | what kind of description is 'gypsy'? |
| 19:57.32 | hcarrega | lol |
| 19:58.20 | range | A terse one. |
| 19:58.56 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 19:59.19 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it's legal for me to file a bug against that, right? |
| 19:59.57 | Stskeeps | err.. sure, why not |
| 20:00.11 | timeless_mbp | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-synopsis |
| 20:00.16 | timeless_mbp | 3.4.1 The single line synopsis |
| 20:00.16 | timeless_mbp | The single line synopsis should be kept brief - certainly under 80 characters. |
| 20:00.16 | timeless_mbp | Do not include the package name in the synopsis line. The display software knows how to display this already, and you do not need to state it. Remember that in many situations the user may only see the synopsis line - make it as informative as you can. |
| 20:00.52 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 20:01.06 | timeless_mbp | wonders where the heck to file this bug |
| 20:01.10 | Proteous | gypsy |
| 20:01.26 | Proteous | short for do not install |
| 20:02.06 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: internal would probably be the best shot |
| 20:02.14 | timeless_mbp | there's no fun in that |
| 20:02.21 | timeless_mbp | it's probably an upstream bug anyway |
| 20:02.27 | Stskeeps | nah, looks like nokia packaging |
| 20:02.28 | timeless_mbp | filing it internally won't get it fixed faster :) |
| 20:02.32 | timeless_mbp | really? |
| 20:02.40 | *** join/#maemo xxiao (n=chatzill@cpe-70-123-143-205.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 20:04.30 | range | I don't see a package "gypsy" on a bog standard debian. |
| 20:05.21 | range | Which does not not make it an upstream bug, sure. |
| 20:05.27 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if it was debian packaging i'm almost willing to bet it wouldn't get through.. |
| 20:05.52 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ... |
| 20:05.59 | *** join/#maemo choppa (n=choppa@mnch-4d0435bd.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 20:06.14 | timeless_mbp | range: if you have time to go hunting and can figure out if there's an upstream debian/control description ... |
| 20:06.18 | Stskeeps | (due to policy checks) |
| 20:06.38 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/alsa-utils/debian/control?mark=13-13,19-19,19 |
| 20:06.42 | timeless_mbp | 13 Package: alsa-utils |
| 20:06.46 | timeless_mbp | 19 Description: ALSA utilities |
| 20:06.51 | timeless_mbp | oh sure, that's mighty helpful |
| 20:07.03 | Stskeeps | well, it is exact.. |
| 20:07.16 | *** join/#maemo Smily (n=Smily@BSN-250-23-206.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 20:07.47 | *** join/#maemo zap_ (n=zap@28.169.249.ozerki.net) |
| 20:07.50 | timeless_mbp | it useless the same words as in the package name, which violates policy |
| 20:08.08 | timeless_mbp | adding a couple of letters does not a helpful description make |
| 20:08.20 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: fair warning, i'm stuffing my bug totals :) |
| 20:08.38 | timeless_mbp | other people are free to play along, the barrel's full, you can join me in shooting them: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/ |
| 20:09.20 | timeless_mbp | minor warning /sometimes/ the description given isn't from debian/control and is instead from e.g. README, so always look into the directory :) |
| 20:09.38 | *** join/#maemo qwerty12_N900 (n=faheem@Maemo/community/contributor/qwerty12) |
| 20:09.51 | timeless_mbp | do i want to know why gcc3.4 and gcc4.2 are in the repo? |
| 20:10.10 | timeless_mbp | gcc-3.4/ - Nov 2 2006 The GNU C compiler |
| 20:10.10 | timeless_mbp | gcc-4.2/ - Jun 25 12:19 The GNU C compiler |
| 20:10.11 | timeless_mbp | gcc-defaults/ - Dec 18 2007 The GNU C preprocessor (cpp) |
| 20:10.11 | Stskeeps | libgcc and such |
| 20:10.22 | Stskeeps | (probably) |
| 20:10.28 | Stskeeps | and for legal reasons |
| 20:10.30 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, I'm betting Peter's talking about CMT stuff. |
| 20:11.21 | timeless_mbp | cmt? |
| 20:11.24 | qwerty12_N900 | flasher-3.5 said my CMT was happily flashed |
| 20:11.38 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Peter could be full of it. |
| 20:11.42 | *** join/#maemo Lorthirk (n=cm0901@109.115.69.63) |
| 20:11.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: yeah but your method is saner than direct NSU update |
| 20:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, flasher-3.5 --help |
| 20:12.08 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I don't recall what the acronym is for right now, but it isn't Country Music Television. |
| 20:12.36 | GeneralAntilles | Damnit, where's Andre when you need him? |
| 20:12.46 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (n=fcr@unaffiliated/babelo) |
| 20:12.56 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: If it downloads the same files... But, then again, flasher-3.5 is much more specialised WRT the N900, than NSU is |
| 20:13.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: yeah - and NSU might need some changes in nolo or whatever :P |
| 20:13.24 | GeneralAntilles | finds it funny that whenever Karsten or Andre make blog posts about Bugzilla somebody always comments asking them if they're planning on forwarding things to upstream (some more trollish than others). |
| 20:14.05 | *** join/#maemo wazd (n=user@83.149.10.74) |
| 20:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | Ahaha |
| 20:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | ARM9 netbook |
| 20:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | What's the point? |
| 20:14.51 | Stskeeps | cheap |
| 20:14.52 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Menq-Easypc-E790/ |
| 20:15.03 | timeless_mbp | would have to find their blog's |
| 20:15.07 | GeneralAntilles | Putting an ARM11 in there aint gonna make it much more expensive. |
| 20:15.16 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Planet, of course. |
| 20:15.28 | timeless_mbp | hrm, that fell off my reading ages ago |
| 20:15.33 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 20:15.34 | *** join/#maemo thux (i=thux@irkki.fi) |
| 20:15.44 | GeneralAntilles | In this case, the one just after Khertan's PyGTK post. |
| 20:15.49 | GeneralAntilles | http://blogs.gnome.org/kbrae/2009/11/13/back-open-back-to-bugzilla/ |
| 20:16.00 | range | timeless_mbp: Upstream for that package seems to be o-hand.com |
| 20:16.00 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-113-140-230.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 20:16.08 | range | And they have Description: GPS multiplexing daemon |
| 20:16.09 | range | + A GPS multiplexing daemon using DBus. |
| 20:16.34 | timeless_mbp | range: if you have a bugzilla account, you could make a suggestion or provide a patch :) |
| 20:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | Sadly since the whole "Planet should be for consumers, too!" push the SNR on Planet has gone in the shitter. |
| 20:16.42 | timeless_mbp | snr? |
| 20:16.45 | timeless_mbp | signal noise |
| 20:16.47 | timeless_mbp | gotcha |
| 20:16.49 | timeless_mbp | is sleeping ... |
| 20:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, IRC sleep walking? |
| 20:17.20 | range | timeless_mbp: I am a redhat person, not a debian one. Just happens that my irc client runs on debian :) |
| 20:17.21 | timeless_mbp | i fall asleep on the couch |
| 20:17.23 | timeless_mbp | no walking requierd |
| 20:17.43 | timeless_mbp | range: hopefully you can earn karma by posting patches |
| 20:17.48 | timeless_mbp | if not, file a bug (+karma) asking to :) |
| 20:18.21 | qwerty12_N900 | better get some for his work on #5300 |
| 20:18.28 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the upstream request by mkanat is about hacks to bugzilla |
| 20:18.36 | timeless_mbp | since he's the bugzilla upstream |
| 20:19.08 | *** join/#maemo Dantonic (n=david@c-24-7-146-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 20:19.19 | lcuk | bug #5300 |
| 20:19.21 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 Support sending files via Bluetooth in file manager |
| 20:19.32 | lcuk | yes qwerty lol, you should |
| 20:20.00 | range | timeless_mbp: So you didn't find a component to file it against either? :) |
| 20:20.23 | timeless_mbp | range: i'm not having much luck |
| 20:20.25 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes, I know, but I find it funny that whenever they make a blog post there's always comments about forwarding to upstream. |
| 20:20.27 | lcuk | timeless, how long do these mxrs take to update |
| 20:20.31 | timeless_mbp | if you don't have editbugs and think you can do better, let me know |
| 20:20.32 | GeneralAntilles | Either Bugzilla, Debian or elsewise. |
| 20:20.42 | range | timeless_mbp: Probably location. I'll file one. |
| 20:20.50 | timeless_mbp | range: oh, i filed bugs |
| 20:20.54 | timeless_mbp | i just couldn't find places |
| 20:21.05 | range | Har. Har :) |
| 20:21.05 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: no you shouldn't! You should work on transmission! Now!11 |
| 20:21.29 | *** join/#maemo Meiz_TB (n=Meizirkk@bbwirelessgw2-feeedc00-64.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:22.12 | timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&reporter=timeless@gmail.com&chfieldfrom=1d |
| 20:22.29 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: But I must defend our freedom! I shall not be restricted to just sending video clips and images! |
| 20:23.02 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: ah, ok then :D |
| 20:23.13 | lcuk | multitransport video clips and images |
| 20:23.18 | lcuk | the lolcats must get through |
| 20:23.42 | GAN900 | How is h-a-m slower than the frickin web browser? |
| 20:23.48 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: =) |
| 20:23.53 | timeless_mbp | apt is expensive :) |
| 20:24.08 | timeless_mbp | hey, i'm 99% certain there's a rule against using sentences in the one line description |
| 20:24.11 | *** join/#maemo MarkBao (n=MarkBao@pool-71-184-95-241.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:24.14 | timeless_mbp | anyone know where i can find that rule? |
| 20:24.26 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.30 | lcuk | usually works |
| 20:24.31 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, fm-radio is mostly Python libs, by the way. |
| 20:24.55 | alterego | That bluetooth file sending capability, how on Earth has that not been in from the start? |
| 20:24.55 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: um, ... ok, did i ask about it? |
| 20:25.00 | GAN900 | lcuk, or just ping him publicly so everybody can benefit from the logs later on. ;) |
| 20:25.02 | timeless_mbp | alterego: it was removed |
| 20:25.07 | timeless_mbp | the reasons for its removal are um... |
| 20:25.16 | SpeedEvil | Too complicated. |
| 20:25.16 | GAN900 | Somebody complained about it being big in scrollback. |
| 20:25.18 | qwerty12_N900 | stupidity |
| 20:25.18 | timeless_mbp | looks for a lawyer |
| 20:25.24 | lcuk | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html#s-descriptions |
| 20:25.30 | lcuk | go2source |
| 20:26.08 | *** join/#maemo hardaker2 (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 20:26.54 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (n=javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:27.10 | Stskeeps | wb javispedro |
| 20:27.18 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: i was just tehre |
| 20:27.21 | timeless_mbp | it didn't seem to help |
| 20:27.34 | lcuk | well you cannot get any more official than that source |
| 20:27.39 | lcuk | so if its not mentioned there.. |
| 20:27.46 | javispedro | moo |
| 20:27.51 | lcuk | hey javis |
| 20:28.22 | javispedro | adds smbd and nmbd to his tablet's inetd.conf just because he can :) |
| 20:28.38 | wazd | javispedro: heya |
| 20:29.08 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Does /usr/bin/pick-locale-<whatever> return anything other than 0? |
| 20:29.15 | qwerty12_N900 | Hiya, javispedro |
| 20:29.17 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 20:29.24 | timeless_mbp | or at least, not intentionally |
| 20:29.28 | *** join/#maemo jgoss (n=josh@unaffiliated/jgoss) |
| 20:29.30 | qwerty12_N900 | Suits me :) |
| 20:31.43 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-control-panel/debian/control?mark=8-8,16-16,16 |
| 20:31.48 | timeless_mbp | 8 Package: hildon-control-panel |
| 20:31.51 | timeless_mbp | 16 Description: Hildon Control Panel |
| 20:31.57 | timeless_mbp | now there's a great description! |
| 20:32.35 | javispedro | :) |
| 20:33.03 | *** join/#maemo croppa (n=stuart@135.27.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 20:33.15 | range | timeless_mbp: #6198 |
| 20:33.28 | timeless_mbp | range: if you write "bug 6198" the bot will do something |
| 20:33.30 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6198 Description field of gypsy just doubles the name |
| 20:33.45 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 20:35.03 | timeless_mbp | range: sorry, i tried to say i filed that bug |
| 20:35.12 | timeless_mbp | next time please search/check the links i provide :) |
| 20:35.40 | timeless_mbp | you now have editbugs (and canconfirm), so you can file 'new' bugs and should be careful to avoid filing duplicates :) |
| 20:36.05 | range | timeless_mbp: Argh :) |
| 20:36.39 | range | timeless_mbp: Yeah, I didn't quite follow, as you were two bugs further already. |
| 20:36.41 | timeless_mbp | my fault, i should have dropped bug numbers instead of cute query urls |
| 20:39.21 | lcuk | is it possible to have the bot actually post info on new bugs? |
| 20:39.31 | lcuk | ive seen integration similar before, but from a buildbot |
| 20:40.12 | *** part/#maemo vandenoever (n=vandenoe@ip5657eb5b.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:40.44 | *** join/#maemo BluesLee (n=malik197@ip-62-143-232-28.unitymediagroup.de) |
| 20:40.48 | timeless_mbp | it's possible |
| 20:40.53 | timeless_mbp | do you really want it? |
| 20:42.03 | lcuk | well theres lots of talk of bugs atm |
| 20:42.53 | alterego | How about #maemo-bugs ? |
| 20:43.20 | timeless_mbp | a dedicated channel is typically a better idea |
| 20:43.25 | timeless_mbp | otherwise it ends up being too spammy |
| 20:43.32 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 20:43.37 | alterego | My thoughts exactly |
| 20:44.07 | lcuk | nods |
| 20:44.40 | timeless_mbp | if you're interested in bugs |
| 20:44.45 | timeless_mbp | you can watch the active filers :) |
| 20:45.10 | alterego | Personally, I think an RSS feed would be better. |
| 20:45.16 | timeless_mbp | that's trivial |
| 20:45.21 | timeless_mbp | consider my query |
| 20:45.38 | timeless_mbp | view-source:https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&reporter=timeless@gmail.com&chfieldfrom=1d&ctype=rss |
| 20:45.39 | alterego | query? |
| 20:45.51 | timeless_mbp | drop the reporter if you don't want to limit it to me |
| 20:45.52 | alterego | Ah, nice |
| 20:46.07 | timeless_mbp | note that my query is for bugs that have changed, not bugs that have been reported |
| 20:46.25 | timeless_mbp | but advanced trivially lets you ask for 1d+filed |
| 20:46.57 | timeless_mbp | add &chfield=[Bug+creation] |
| 20:47.14 | alterego | Nice :) |
| 20:47.21 | alterego | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&chfieldfrom=1d&ctype=rss&chfield=[Bug+creation] |
| 20:47.24 | alterego | So, that then ;) |
| 20:47.46 | timeless_mbp | for sharing, you want to add &ctype=rss at the end |
| 20:47.59 | timeless_mbp | otherwise some clients won't include the ] |
| 20:48.07 | alterego | Interesting |
| 20:48.23 | timeless_mbp | irc clients are funny about linkification |
| 20:48.32 | timeless_mbp | (so are mail clients) |
| 20:48.40 | alterego | Hrm |
| 20:48.52 | alterego | Well, I'm using irssi->screen->ssh |
| 20:48.56 | alterego | ->gnome-terminal |
| 20:49.04 | alterego | So it works pretty good for me :P |
| 20:49.56 | timeless_mbp | just keep in mind that when sharing links (and your goal here is to do just that), you want to ensure the most successful link transmission possible :) |
| 20:50.09 | *** join/#maemo GuySoft_nokia (n=Guysoft@212.12.230.196) |
| 20:51.05 | alterego | http://tinyurl.com/maemo-bugs-rss |
| 20:51.14 | alterego | That betteR? :) |
| 20:51.34 | timeless_mbp | definitely safer :) |
| 21:00.33 | timeless_mbp | speaking of getting flagged by debian automatics: |
| 21:00.34 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/libnice/debian/control?mark=13-13,17-17,17 |
| 21:00.39 | timeless_mbp | 2 Maintainer: Dafydd Harries <daf@debian.org>, Youness Alaoui <youness.alaoui@collabora.co.uk> |
| 21:00.42 | timeless_mbp | 13 Package: libnice0 |
| 21:00.45 | timeless_mbp | 17 Description: libnice |
| 21:02.13 | *** join/#maemo tbf (n=mathias@86.56.57.78) |
| 21:02.19 | *** join/#maemo warp10 (n=warp10@beeseek.org) |
| 21:02.58 | *** join/#maemo tonikitoo (n=tonikito@187.2.147.144) |
| 21:04.17 | *** join/#maemo DarwinSurvivor_ (n=DarwinSu@S0106000f6683e05d.vs.shawcable.net) |
| 21:05.09 | javispedro | well, it's a lib and is nice. |
| 21:05.24 | *** join/#maemo vre (n=vre@vre.iki.fi) |
| 21:05.53 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 21:06.01 | timeless_mbp | i really want to see a rule that bans periods |
| 21:06.10 | GeneralAntilles | From short descriptions? |
| 21:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | Me too. |
| 21:06.27 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: Typical male |
| 21:06.31 | *** join/#maemo Andrewfblack (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 21:07.22 | BabelO | hi all |
| 21:09.16 | BabelO | i justinstall a fresh scratchbox for aemo5 and setup all. I finshed compiling my qt application www.qlandkarte.org but i miss some information about N900 the backlight and gps device in /dev |
| 21:12.45 | alterego | Anyone here got an N900 handy? |
| 21:12.55 | alterego | I wanna know how well the extjs framework runs on it. |
| 21:19.04 | *** part/#maemo sampppa_ (n=samppa@85.23.21.111) |
| 21:20.30 | timeless_mbp | i suppose i should ask how you intend to find out |
| 21:20.55 | RST38h | alterego: It dos not |
| 21:20.57 | RST38h | does |
| 21:21.00 | alterego | :( |
| 21:21.07 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 21:21.25 | timeless_mbp | http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/PackagingTutorial |
| 21:21.33 | timeless_mbp | English/PackagingTutorial (last edited 2008-10-27 02:49:33 by MichaelSchurter) |
| 21:21.38 | timeless_mbp | doesn't sound like a gal |
| 21:21.42 | RST38h | Actually, if you mean the JavaScript version, it may |
| 21:21.55 | RST38h | Java version does not, no practical Java Runtime |
| 21:21.59 | alterego | Yes, that's what I mean :P |
| 21:22.16 | *** join/#maemo Solefald (n=solefald@93.186.169.30) |
| 21:24.14 | *** join/#maemo Owner_ (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 21:26.17 | *** join/#maemo Flyser (n=flyser@unaffiliated/flyser) |
| 21:27.59 | *** join/#maemo igagis_ (n=igagis@ns2.vsev.lanck.net) |
| 21:28.09 | *** join/#maemo Solefald (n=solefald@93.186.169.30) |
| 21:31.40 | *** join/#maemo `0660 (n=olli@ppp121-45-214-233.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net) |
| 21:32.35 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (n=tso@162.84-49-132.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:33.17 | *** join/#maemo Owner__ (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 21:34.51 | *** join/#maemo sp3001 (n=chatzill@hoasnet-fe21dd00-183.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 21:39.54 | Anidel | just booked the flight to Barcelona |
| 21:40.14 | luke-jr | why |
| 21:40.23 | timeless_mbp | for the maemo thing? |
| 21:40.27 | Anidel | yep |
| 21:40.30 | luke-jr | there's a Maemo thing? :p |
| 21:40.33 | Anidel | who else is going from here? |
| 21:40.37 | Anidel | see the topic luke |
| 21:40.46 | Anidel | Maemo-Barcelona Long Weekend |
| 21:40.57 | Anidel | http://tinyurl.com/ydv6p62 |
| 21:43.08 | timeless_mbp | what's wrong with this picture: |
| 21:43.09 | timeless_mbp | automake/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles. |
| 21:43.09 | timeless_mbp | automake1.7/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 21:43.09 | timeless_mbp | automake1.8/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 21:43.10 | timeless_mbp | automake1.9/ - Nov 12 20:34 A tool for generating GNU Standards-compliant Makefiles |
| 21:43.53 | Anidel | the indentation ? :D |
| 21:44.02 | luke-jr | XD |
| 21:44.33 | timeless_mbp | ok, "which of these is not like the others?" |
| 21:45.08 | Anidel | all of them ? <empty> != <1.7> != <1.8> != <1.9> |
| 21:45.09 | Anidel | :D |
| 21:45.36 | Anidel | runs... |
| 21:46.40 | RST38h | To rm -rf, all these are alike |
| 21:47.50 | Anidel | got it! it's not a picture! it's text ! |
| 21:47.54 | *** join/#maemo Andrewfblack (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 21:47.54 | Anidel | runs faster... |
| 21:49.03 | Firebird | timeless, the ones with the version numbers are old versions |
| 21:50.16 | Anidel | got it again ! it's the '.' at the end of the first one, spotted the difference! |
| 21:50.22 | Anidel | runs even faster... |
| 21:50.27 | timeless_mbp | gives Anidel a cupie doll |
| 21:50.38 | timeless_mbp | or perhaps a cookie |
| 21:51.16 | Anidel | doesn't trust the bait and runs |
| 21:51.53 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (n=infidel2@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 21:52.32 | RST38h | Anidel: Hey, when is the newest and greatest Xournal with the full UI going to arrive? =) |
| 21:53.11 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 21:53.35 | timeless_mbp | figures out why the description of [clipboard-manager] is [sync"] |
| 21:53.43 | mikhas | say, anyone of you know some hildon/qt4.6 api documentation? |
| 21:53.44 | Anidel | rst38h: when I stop running.. :) the issue is.. I am not good at UIs, so I am not sure how to put all those tools back |
| 21:53.54 | *** join/#maemo JPohlmann (n=jannis@xfce/core-developer/JPohlmann) |
| 21:54.08 | RST38h | Anidel: Need help with advice? |
| 21:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, so, after Barcelona? ;) |
| 21:54.19 | Anidel | rst38h: the UX Meets Code at Barcellona would be great to shed some light.. |
| 21:54.24 | RST38h | Anidel: Ah ok |
| 21:54.28 | Anidel | rst38h: if you can :) |
| 21:54.32 | timeless_mbp | mikhas: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/qt4-x11/doc/src/ ? :) |
| 21:54.45 | RST38h | Anidel: Otherwise, wazd can help you with design/layout and me or qwerty can help with GTK |
| 21:55.24 | Anidel | cool, I will gather all the tools that needs to be there and we can think how to better organize them |
| 21:55.30 | RST38h | Anidel: Just give the full list of options you would like to stick there and we will figure sometghing out |
| 21:55.35 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember how to file bugs against qt |
| 21:55.59 | Anidel | I'll have to do that anyway so that I have some material at the hackfest.. I'll post them on the Xournal for Fremantle thread asap |
| 21:56.06 | Anidel | then we can do some mockups |
| 21:56.08 | RST38h | Aha |
| 21:57.02 | Anidel | In the meanwhile I was looking at a brand new feature for Xournal... have a loot at CellWriter |
| 21:57.06 | Anidel | *look |
| 21:57.58 | RST38h | Anidel: that is a handwriting recognition tha is supposed to go into him? |
| 21:58.07 | Anidel | hopefully... |
| 21:58.41 | *** join/#maemo hrw|gone (n=hrw@chello089078170228.chello.pl) |
| 21:59.34 | Anidel | anyone using Nokia Messaging to get mail from their gmail account? |
| 22:00.23 | RST38h | You mean Modest? |
| 22:00.40 | Anidel | and then yeah configure modest to use nokia messaging |
| 22:00.59 | Anidel | I've configured NM to sync few more folders.. but they are not appearing in Modest :/ |
| 22:01.25 | RST38h | Well...umgh...Modest... |
| 22:01.50 | Corsac | might make sense to try Anjal on n900 |
| 22:01.58 | Corsac | maybe he can keep up a bit more on the load |
| 22:02.00 | Shapeshifter | uhm, the n900 has IR right? |
| 22:02.44 | Anidel | rst38h :p |
| 22:03.20 | *** join/#maemo beford|n810 (n=user@190.25.28.57) |
| 22:03.21 | RST38h | Corsac: Evolution alone will take all the space available at / |
| 22:03.53 | Anidel | shapeshifter indeed it has it |
| 22:04.00 | Corsac | RST38h: but eds is already there, isn't it? |
| 22:04.13 | Corsac | RST38h: and Anjal is not evolution (though it seems to require some libs from it :/ ) |
| 22:04.44 | Shapeshifter | Hum. So, is there an app already available to use the n900 as a remote control for the PC and stuff over IR? |
| 22:04.50 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (n=panaggio@200-158-190-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:05.08 | RST38h | Corsac: SSite says it is UI on top of evolution |
| 22:05.15 | Anidel | shapeshifter well very few PCs have IR do they? |
| 22:05.24 | Corsac | RST38h: on top of evolution-data-server |
| 22:05.35 | RST38h | hmm |
| 22:05.51 | Corsac | it /supposed/ to be targeting netbooks |
| 22:05.57 | Corsac | though I wasn't really convinced, tbh |
| 22:06.02 | Shapeshifter | Anidel: mhh, I have. Well, and my HTPC has. but in any case, is there some IR software? |
| 22:06.18 | Shapeshifter | any software? I can't imagine what else to do with IR these days. |
| 22:06.49 | Anidel | there's IRRECO that's using it |
| 22:07.13 | Shapeshifter | mhh |
| 22:07.46 | Firebird | hrm, is the N900 IR send only? |
| 22:08.20 | *** join/#maemo goshawk (n=quassel@93-34-57-99.ip48.fastwebnet.it) |
| 22:08.27 | Anidel | I only know it's not Irda compatible |
| 22:09.02 | Firebird | if its send and recieve there's a possibility it could be used like a button similar to the proximity sensor |
| 22:10.13 | javispedro | RST38h: prepare to sigh http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=377289#post377289 |
| 22:10.19 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Have you promoted the latest VGBA? I tried it, and was impressed with the update (thanks!). One request, however: Please allow the user to cancel the accelerometer calibration dialog in the next update |
| 22:10.35 | Shapeshifter | I wonder why they even included IR |
| 22:10.52 | RST38h | qwerty: No, have not promoted it yet. The dialog should be cancellable by clicking outside |
| 22:11.09 | Shapeshifter | Was it like "humm, there's some space left in that corner we can't fill with something else." "We still have a box of IR leds" |
| 22:11.15 | RST38h | qwerty: if it does not, simply lay the tablet onto a flat surface :) |
| 22:11.50 | RST38h | qwerty: also, cancelling the main settings dialog will discard all changes including accel calibration |
| 22:12.05 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Not cancelling when I click outside |
| 22:12.10 | RST38h | javispedro: seen this already, let 'em... |
| 22:12.14 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Noted =) |
| 22:12.24 | RST38h | qwerty: Something is wrong with my code then =( |
| 22:13.07 | RST38h | javispedro: I do not think any of these Oct2009ers fully understand the actual size of controls they are proposing =) |
| 22:14.19 | *** join/#maemo choppa (n=choppa@mnch-4d0435bd.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 22:14.46 | lcuk | Oct09er actually doesnt sound like such a bad thing. |
| 22:15.25 | javispedro | the HD2 thread is fantastic |
| 22:15.34 | RST38h | in theory, yes. in practice things do not always work out the same way though |
| 22:15.45 | lcuk | RST38h, the best part is the fact they can deduce all this from a screenshot! |
| 22:16.32 | lcuk | i might release a version of liqbase operating at exactly the right size and scale as it appears on n900 |
| 22:16.32 | RST38h | Well, it is not like they have got real devices yet :(( |
| 22:16.46 | javispedro | I think that's the key |
| 22:16.58 | javispedro | stop people who don't have devices yet from posting! :) |
| 22:17.02 | javispedro | hides |
| 22:17.14 | RST38h | sighs now |
| 22:17.18 | zerojay | applauds |
| 22:17.34 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: OK, stop posting ;P |
| 22:17.44 | zerojay | BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRN |
| 22:17.58 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 22:18.17 | lcuk | wedges a piece of card into something |
| 22:18.54 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: I didn't exactly mention "which" device you have to own ;) |
| 22:20.22 | RST38h | Another 5 "votes" for AlmostTI |
| 22:20.26 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: True, true. I like your posts, anyway... |
| 22:20.26 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 22:20.28 | lcuk | gives up and uses a ball of tissue instead |
| 22:20.37 | lcuk | RST38h, woo! |
| 22:20.38 | *** part/#maemo Omegamoon (n=egoe@demolitionman.xs4all.nl) |
| 22:20.43 | lcuk | people are playing with it |
| 22:20.47 | RST38h | All made in one minute |
| 22:21.00 | lcuk | the power of maemo.org |
| 22:21.01 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Not -testing votes... |
| 22:21.01 | RST38h | So, no, I do not think people are playing with it |
| 22:21.12 | Anidel | how come ? my fantastic super easy wonderful app just got 5 in 6 days... grrr |
| 22:21.21 | lcuk | does thumbs occur just as "fast" as -testing? |
| 22:21.42 | Anidel | ah not -testing ones.. |
| 22:21.47 | lcuk | cos i can happily see people click click clicking |
| 22:21.51 | Anidel | I do get several in one shot sometimes.. |
| 22:22.03 | RST38h | Anidel: Either it is a bug or somebody systematically votes down a bunch of apps |
| 22:22.16 | RST38h | I have got several dozen for AlmostTI alone |
| 22:22.38 | *** join/#maemo millenomi (n=millenom@93-35-146-211.ip55.fastwebnet.it) |
| 22:22.38 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Actually, that's probably another factor regarding Midgard's slowness... Someone is downvoting apps rapidly, and we get e-mails telling us of that... |
| 22:22.50 | Anidel | rst38h: no idea... and I don't know why people are downloading it NOW and not before.. Maemo Select effect? |
| 22:22.52 | lcuk | lol @ self perpectuating thing. you complain people vote it down, people go to your link to test whether its voting you down |
| 22:22.53 | lcuk | bingo! |
| 22:23.06 | RST38h | qwerty: You can't downvote rapidly, have to change your IP address |
| 22:23.12 | RST38h | Anidel: Doubt it |
| 22:23.15 | RST38h | But may be |
| 22:23.37 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: If it isn't a bug, this guy is managing well :) |
| 22:23.37 | zerojay | I'm getting a ton of those e-mail votes as well. |
| 22:23.48 | lcuk | do you have to be a unique uesr to vote down? |
| 22:23.49 | RST38h | lcuk: Naaah, it does not work this simply |
| 22:23.52 | javispedro | notes that both samba 3.0.22 as avail on diablo extras and samba 3.0.23c as avail on nokia repos have glaring security holes |
| 22:23.54 | lcuk | how often can i vote your apps down? |
| 22:23.55 | Anidel | yeah but you don't deserve them :D I do :P |
| 22:24.00 | RST38h | qwerty: Yea, probably running a bot |
| 22:24.09 | lcuk | i get loads of upvotes for liqbase :D |
| 22:24.29 | RST38h | lcuk: Is there any way to see the list of votes? |
| 22:24.36 | lcuk | mail history |
| 22:24.47 | RST38h | but it does not say whether they are up or down |
| 22:24.50 | RST38h | or who voted |
| 22:24.57 | lcuk | dunno |
| 22:25.55 | Anidel | don't think threre's a way |
| 22:27.06 | qwerty12_N900 | Why is anonymous voting allowed in the first place, anyway? Just like you have to be signed in to vote for apps in -testing |
| 22:27.26 | *** join/#maemo ali1234 (n=al@robotfuzz.co.uk) |
| 22:27.32 | javispedro | iirc supposedly anonymous voting was removed |
| 22:28.00 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Not according to the daily e-mails I've been getting... |
| 22:28.06 | mikkov__ | bug #6192 |
| 22:28.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6192 Bots are voting in Maemo Select? |
| 22:28.54 | qwerty12_N900 | ~mikkov++ |
| 22:29.52 | javispedro | lol |
| 22:29.58 | javispedro | the idea of googlebot voting amuses me |
| 22:30.11 | javispedro | can one emit a vote with just GET requests? |
| 22:31.40 | *** join/#maemo Ronaldo38741 (n=Ronald@188-220-219-150.zone11.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:31.44 | mikkov__ | in Maemo Select I think you can |
| 22:32.50 | lcuk | javispedro, i really hope not |
| 22:33.09 | lcuk | or rather mikkov_ |
| 22:33.30 | mikkov__ | http://maemo.nokia.com/rating_gateway.php?rating=3&product_title=fring |
| 22:33.58 | javispedro | oh, wow |
| 22:34.07 | javispedro | and lol again |
| 22:34.09 | qwerty12_N900 | *facepalm* |
| 22:34.12 | *** join/#maemo JoakimCarli (n=eeeeh@c83-252-242-250.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 22:34.17 | qwerty12_N900 | Way to go, Nokia |
| 22:34.18 | lcuk | *blink* |
| 22:34.23 | lcuk | and, the game begins |
| 22:34.39 | lcuk | 16million get |
| 22:34.54 | Anidel | I don't need it... my super app is super cool already :p |
| 22:35.05 | RST38h | oh this is how they do it? |
| 22:35.30 | javispedro | http://maemo.nokia.com/voteapp.php?rate=5&id=122 |
| 22:35.37 | javispedro | sorry qwerty |
| 22:35.44 | RST38h | ohmygod |
| 22:35.55 | lcuk | hahahahaha |
| 22:36.00 | zerojay | Hahaha. |
| 22:36.02 | frals | "ops" |
| 22:36.02 | lcuk | what app is 122 |
| 22:36.04 | frals | :D |
| 22:36.13 | lcuk | hold on, best be balanced |
| 22:36.17 | *** part/#maemo edgar2 (n=edgar2@fatmama.karen.abo.fi) |
| 22:36.19 | javispedro | Droid foints |
| 22:36.37 | *** join/#maemo `0660_ (n=olli@ppp121-45-210-181.lns20.cbr1.internode.on.net) |
| 22:36.39 | zerojay | Midgard = complete fucking fail. |
| 22:36.53 | lcuk | i want to change something about that url |
| 22:37.03 | RST38h | Let CNN be balanced |
| 22:37.10 | javispedro | actually |
| 22:37.11 | RST38h | I will be myself =) |
| 22:37.26 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: voteapp.php?rate=1&id=$LIQBASEID |
| 22:37.27 | Stskeeps | holy crap @ url stuff |
| 22:37.28 | RST38h | oh yesssss |
| 22:37.29 | javispedro | voteapp is for Ovi store apps, rating_gateway seems to be for Extras apps |
| 22:37.29 | lcuk | it would make the oct09er people usefule |
| 22:37.35 | zerojay | Midgard really helps make Maemo look second-rate with all the problems, shitty floaty bar and this kind of crap. |
| 22:37.36 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, im not in maemo select |
| 22:37.37 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: There, fixed it for you |
| 22:37.41 | RST38h | NOW I see what is going on |
| 22:37.58 | RST38h | Here they are, the votes |
| 22:37.58 | javispedro | this is clearly googlebot doing it then |
| 22:38.14 | RST38h | starts weeping histerically |
| 22:38.15 | lcuk | no |
| 22:38.22 | javispedro | "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." |
| 22:38.23 | lcuk | googlebot wouldnt do it like that surely |
| 22:38.24 | Anidel | so.. when I get back control of when my app goes to Extras? |
| 22:38.30 | RST38h | Hacked by the Googlebot... |
| 22:38.43 | RST38h | Anidel: You do not, apparently |
| 22:38.58 | RST38h | Anidel: In order to keep poor users safe from you |
| 22:39.04 | Anidel | rst38h I know.. I hate it as much as I hate the app store process |
| 22:39.40 | RST38h | still can't push fMSX, Colem, Speccy, and MG into Extras |
| 22:39.50 | RST38h | Need 10 votes, and nobody ever votes |
| 22:39.59 | lcuk | ok |
| 22:40.03 | lcuk | serious business |
| 22:40.05 | lcuk | how do we cure it |
| 22:40.11 | Anidel | 10 votes/ 10 days... |
| 22:40.12 | RST38h | BTW, this means that the latest updates will stay in -Devel forever |
| 22:40.19 | *** join/#maemo hardaker2 (n=hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 22:40.29 | RST38h | lcuk: This has been discussed already, even had a meeting on #maemo-meeting |
| 22:40.35 | mikkov__ | testing activity has gone down lately |
| 22:40.40 | lcuk | not that |
| 22:40.47 | lcuk | i mean the silly googlebot |
| 22:40.51 | Anidel | I know my app works, I know I've applied 1 line change.. why can't I go straight to extras? need something to REMOVE from extras, rather than approve like it is now |
| 22:41.03 | Anidel | I mean... I want to go thru Testing |
| 22:41.15 | Anidel | keep it there for a while and let people test it.. it's really useful |
| 22:41.27 | Anidel | but if I KNOW there's nothing to test.. let me push it. |
| 22:41.41 | RST38h | will try setting vote to 10 =) |
| 22:41.48 | Anidel | if someone abuses it, than .. let's work on there.. how to remove that app or so |
| 22:42.11 | javispedro | watches RST38h hack m.o just to promote his apps :) |
| 22:42.31 | qwerty12_N900 | The solution is easy: Get rid of fucking anonymous voting |
| 22:42.42 | SpeedEvil | Or just vote all the apps back up |
| 22:42.44 | lcuk | the voting here is different |
| 22:42.55 | doc|home | lcuk: is the google bot problem one of the bot activating votes? |
| 22:42.58 | RST38h | rating=99 also works |
| 22:43.04 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: They still affect the votes held on maemo.org |
| 22:43.15 | lcuk | doc|home, thats what rst thinks |
| 22:43.24 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, but not testing |
| 22:43.25 | Anidel | you guys are hijacking my topic :P |
| 22:43.33 | RST38h | goes into "plunder, kill, hump the geese" mode |
| 22:43.34 | doc|home | lcuk: RST38h forms that alter values on the server should be sent via POST, not GET |
| 22:43.36 | Anidel | (same as I did :p) |
| 22:43.38 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Does 666 work? |
| 22:43.40 | lcuk | vanity voting != Testing voting |
| 22:43.43 | doc|home | lcuk: link? |
| 22:43.49 | RST38h | qwerty: let us try |
| 22:44.00 | lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/voteapp.php?rate=5&id=122 |
| 22:44.19 | RST38h | 666 worked |
| 22:44.21 | doc|home | lcuk: they need to change the submission of the form to post, not get |
| 22:44.29 | qwerty12_N900 | OH GOD STOP HAVING MY E-MAIL ACCOUNT RAPED |
| 22:44.31 | javispedro | note that right now I don't even know which app that link votes lol |
| 22:44.35 | RST38h | They should freaking close this hole |
| 22:44.35 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:44.38 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:44.40 | *** join/#maemo Sho_ (n=EHS1@kde/hein) |
| 22:44.45 | javispedro | clicks the link a few times more just in case |
| 22:44.46 | RST38h | post, get, whatever |
| 22:45.07 | lcuk | http://maemo.nokia.com/voteapp.php?rate=5&id=122&qwerty12_is_cool |
| 22:45.11 | RST38h | no, 666 does not seem to cause the email |
| 22:45.38 | javispedro | waits for something to start testing rate=0 -- DROP TABLE students; |
| 22:45.45 | javispedro | s/something/someone |
| 22:45.55 | lcuk | bobby! |
| 22:46.11 | mikkov__ | search this from google: site:maemo.nokia.com OK |
| 22:46.30 | javispedro | poor conboy |
| 22:46.38 | beford|n810 | little bobby tables |
| 22:47.09 | javispedro | I can see the bug report already -- "Google is voting Maemo applications. Ban them! Evil Android engineers!" |
| 22:47.18 | RST38h | guesses all votes since around Nov 10 will have to be nullified |
| 22:47.50 | lcuk | no |
| 22:47.55 | RST38h | yes |
| 22:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, as I've said several times before. Maemo Select. |
| 22:48.01 | lbt | wonders how much maemo.org funding this is going to eat up |
| 22:48.02 | lcuk | all votes originating from maemo.nokia.com |
| 22:48.15 | RST38h | No shit, General... |
| 22:48.35 | pupnik | RST38h: download Dana Countryman - Cocktails In Space |
| 22:48.43 | RST38h | But I kinda didn't expect the hole to be so wide that it gets "hacked" by Googlebot |
| 22:48.54 | lcuk | its not hacked |
| 22:49.04 | lcuk | its a cockup |
| 22:49.07 | lcuk | a wtf |
| 22:49.11 | lcuk | but not a hack |
| 22:49.12 | RST38h | see quotes |
| 22:49.20 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@nat/ibm/x-dpxlmbwtwgqrurgq) |
| 22:49.43 | millenomi | mmm |
| 22:49.44 | RST38h | pupnik: found it at lastfm |
| 22:49.55 | millenomi | only tangentially maemo-related in that it's part of my Cocotron ARM port, but |
| 22:50.03 | millenomi | anyone know how to do atomic compare-and-swap on ARM? |
| 22:50.12 | millenomi | and/or where to find MIT-licenceable code to that effect? |
| 22:50.23 | RST38h | afaik you can't |
| 22:50.26 | RST38h | but let us see |
| 22:50.39 | millenomi | I know glib does it |
| 22:50.54 | lcuk | whos writing up the bug before we get sidetracked? |
| 22:51.20 | mikkov__ | add comments to bug #6192 |
| 22:51.21 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6192 Bots are voting in Maemo Select? |
| 22:51.22 | pupnik | that is retro fun |
| 22:51.35 | pupnik | supposedly |
| 22:51.45 | Anidel | btw here were the videos showing the difference in rotation between 41-10 and 42-11 (for Xournal at least): http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=376953&postcount=209 |
| 22:51.50 | pupnik | some jerk |
| 22:51.56 | pupnik | nice anidel! |
| 22:52.29 | qwerty12_N900 | Anidel: Oh, I also notice the same behaviour in yerga's StockThis |
| 22:52.29 | RST38h | millenomi: does not look like arms have test-and-modify, so sorry |
| 22:52.32 | Anidel | it's weird how badly it does the rotation now... |
| 22:52.49 | mikhas | what happens if your bug title contains "bug #some_numer"? infinite recursion? |
| 22:52.49 | frals | power management, way to intensive to do it like in 41-10! ;+ |
| 22:52.53 | millenomi | RST38h: thanks |
| 22:52.59 | Anidel | qwerty12: phone app doesn't.. rotates as usual |
| 22:53.25 | *** join/#maemo _r00t- (n=panos@ppp-94-66-70-59.home.otenet.gr) |
| 22:53.47 | Anidel | what's weird is that I first hide landscape toolbar, ask for rotation then show portrait toolbar |
| 22:53.57 | Anidel | you can see it from the video.. |
| 22:54.27 | Anidel | Phone app seems to do the UI adaption while rotating.. don't see it re-adapting |
| 22:55.19 | Anidel | ah... no... it does re-adapt after rotation.. it's just that's usually fast enough |
| 22:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, you file a bug? |
| 22:55.35 | Anidel | ga: not even sure it's a bug... why in Phone doesn't do that? |
| 22:55.39 | Anidel | but yes |
| 22:55.43 | Anidel | I'll file it... |
| 22:55.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anidel, at the very least you might be able to get an answer about that. |
| 22:56.01 | RST38h | ok, sleep time |
| 22:56.03 | Anidel | yup |
| 22:56.12 | Anidel | night rst38h |
| 22:56.18 | *** join/#maemo digitalstimulus_ (n=digitals@cpe-071-077-144-145.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 22:56.33 | johnx | morning everyone |
| 22:59.11 | lcuk | mornin johnx |
| 22:59.21 | lcuk | hasnt done anything he meant for this evening |
| 22:59.47 | frals | ive eaten cake, thats all i set out to do today :D |
| 22:59.59 | Anidel | bug#6203 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6203 |
| 23:00.01 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6203 Rotation in 42-11 is not as smooth in 41-10 for some third party apps |
| 23:00.02 | povbot | Bug 6203: Rotation in 42-11 is not as smooth in 41-10 for some third party apps |
| 23:00.12 | johnx | lcuk, I put up a wiki on my oldest zaurus :D |
| 23:00.14 | Anidel | wops.. didn't know this :) |
| 23:01.04 | pupnik | the app switching animation is actually clunky under 30% cpu load. |
| 23:01.32 | lcuk | Anidel, dont worry povbot is there to help |
| 23:01.38 | Anidel | :) |
| 23:01.41 | lcuk | too many people wtf'ed when simple numbers were used |
| 23:01.45 | Anidel | will it fix the issue :p |
| 23:02.11 | pupnik | i want a site just for n900 parties |
| 23:02.16 | lcuk | have faith :) |
| 23:02.34 | lcuk | with the n900 theres a party in your pocket every day |
| 23:02.39 | lcuk | cant believe he said that |
| 23:02.51 | johnx | Anidel, so nokia's apps rotate smoothly still? |
| 23:03.10 | pupnik | it is kind of true |
| 23:03.13 | Anidel | Phone app does |
| 23:03.18 | Anidel | the only one :) |
| 23:03.38 | pupnik | i tried to broadcast some tunes at a party but fm signal was not strong enough |
| 23:03.47 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (n=javier@69.Red-80-32-146.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 23:03.56 | johnx | what about the photo viewer? |
| 23:04.03 | lcuk | in windows, there used to be an issue with MDI windows and screen refreshes, and if you kept the window size smaller than the screen you saw an ugly flash before hand |
| 23:04.07 | Anidel | photo viewer does not rotate.. |
| 23:04.10 | Anidel | the picture does |
| 23:04.12 | lcuk | the fix was in the app and not in the system |
| 23:04.16 | pupnik | need to find a nice clear channel for 5 minutes first, then lay n900 next to reciever |
| 23:04.39 | lcuk | pupnik, i find that bizarra |
| 23:04.42 | lcuk | bizarre |
| 23:05.06 | lcuk | fm tx is cool, i can actually overpower tracy in the car outside |
| 23:05.09 | lcuk | from up here |
| 23:05.19 | *** join/#maemo simula_ (n=mark@c-24-16-132-121.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:05.25 | lcuk | plots to make use of that |
| 23:05.53 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: did you have headphones in? |
| 23:06.05 | dmj7261 | lcuk: you do much with clutter for liqbase? |
| 23:06.05 | pupnik | these things have crappy makeshift antennas and the geröan spectrum is very noisy also. |
| 23:06.13 | pupnik | no SpeedEvil |
| 23:06.21 | pupnik | are heaphones used for tx? |
| 23:06.25 | lcuk | not as yet dmj7261 |
| 23:06.30 | lcuk | liqbase is designed for n8x0 up |
| 23:06.30 | pupnik | the cable... |
| 23:06.33 | dmj7261 | ok |
| 23:06.48 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: maybe - unsure |
| 23:06.57 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: any difference with or without heafphones? |
| 23:07.05 | lcuk | dmj7261, tho im not adverse to looking at a new backend |
| 23:07.13 | dmj7261 | okay |
| 23:07.14 | lcuk | i need to anyway, ive got some technical things which i might try soon |
| 23:07.22 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, no, its tx |
| 23:07.26 | lcuk | never took headphones |
| 23:07.26 | *** join/#maemo post_j (n=poster@75-1-214-255.lightspeed.snantx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:07.27 | dmj7261 | I've just been getting funny GLX errors with it. |
| 23:07.41 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 23:07.56 | johnx | if you plugin headphones while trying to do fm tx it will shut down the tx and route sound out of the headphone jack |
| 23:07.57 | Anidel | goes to sleep... see you guys |
| 23:08.00 | lcuk | dmj7261, just talk |
| 23:08.05 | lcuk | theres people who may know here |
| 23:08.15 | johnx | something about controlling transmit power I think |
| 23:08.18 | lcuk | if they have an idea or a ponder they will jump in :P |
| 23:08.20 | johnx | (FCC regulations or somesuch) |
| 23:08.23 | dmj7261 | I asked last night. |
| 23:08.29 | dmj7261 | silence |
| 23:08.46 | lcuk | then you asked the wrong question or didnt offer enough cake |
| 23:09.01 | lcuk | or ppl were asleep |
| 23:09.08 | johnx | (or no one who knew was here) |
| 23:09.18 | dmj7261 | hmmm should've offered cake |
| 23:09.28 | pupnik | it is still nice to have the weak fm tx - for when no cable is handy. but the 10 cm range makes using device while djing impossible |
| 23:09.29 | lcuk | really? what sort of cake? |
| 23:09.34 | javispedro | getting GLX errors sounds weird |
| 23:09.42 | javispedro | cause there's no GlX on the device. |
| 23:09.45 | dmj7261 | python[31743]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - clutter_x11_disable_event_retrieval should be called before clutter_init |
| 23:09.49 | dmj7261 | then I get python[31769]: GLIB CRITICAL ** CLutterGLX - Unable to make the stage window 0x1e00017 the current GLX drawable |
| 23:09.53 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: was it a device with an roof-mounted antenna? |
| 23:09.59 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: that you were going to? |
| 23:10.06 | lcuk | are you on hardware |
| 23:10.06 | pupnik | all fm recievers |
| 23:10.09 | lcuk | or in sdk |
| 23:10.17 | dmj7261 | http://pastebin.com/d28ecbc7d here's the offending code |
| 23:10.37 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Even on a quiet channel? |
| 23:10.41 | lcuk | wheres my cake? |
| 23:10.44 | dmj7261 | it's in scratchbox while I await the device |
| 23:10.45 | pupnik | my record for a signaal witholut noise is 30 cm |
| 23:11.11 | pupnik | afwhat is yours? |
| 23:11.16 | pupnik | awhat is yours? |
| 23:11.47 | johnx | dunno honestly. maybe 2m with some moderate static (nothing worse than your average fm station) |
| 23:11.47 | lcuk | upstairs bedroom to car |
| 23:11.58 | dmj7261 | http://armchairgeneralist.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b39369e20105362b61b9970b-800wi |
| 23:12.05 | johnx | but that 2m is passenger seat to the actual car antenna |
| 23:12.26 | pupnik | ok |
| 23:12.31 | *** join/#maemo disco_stu_N800 (n=wrt54gl@190.216.32.137) |
| 23:12.37 | johnx | maybe the deck itself is picking it up with an internal antenna? or part of the antenna wiring on the way to the deck is picking it up? |
| 23:12.39 | pupnik | it is still useful |
| 23:13.01 | johnx | <- doesn't know his radio stuff very well |
| 23:13.02 | pupnik | but you can not use N90p normally on couch and broadcast fm to your stereo |
| 23:13.19 | dmj7261 | any idea on what might be going wrong? |
| 23:13.27 | johnx | for my *own* stereo I'd use A2DP :) |
| 23:13.40 | pupnik | lets find the people who made a fm transmitter illegal, and shut them up |
| 23:13.51 | johnx | or maybe the DLNA rendering, or mpd |
| 23:13.51 | pupnik | ah |
| 23:14.14 | lcuk | dmj7261, are you meant to add the clutter stage widget to x11 first perhaps |
| 23:14.24 | lcuk | have you checked the actual docs on this |
| 23:14.53 | dmj7261 | there's not much good actual documentation for clutter in pygtk |
| 23:15.11 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:15.54 | dmj7261 | it seems like I'm getting the stage directly from clutter-gtk though |
| 23:16.03 | lcuk | http://www.clutter-project.org/docs/clutter/stable/clutter-X11-Specific-Support.html#clutter-x11-disable-event-retrieval |
| 23:16.14 | lcuk | the function you commented out cos you couldnt find the ref for it |
| 23:16.23 | lcuk | you had removed the clutter_ |
| 23:16.33 | javispedro | either way, since this is a pure clutter issue you may ahve better luck in any clutter support channel |
| 23:16.36 | *** part/#maemo mikhas (n=mikhas@p4FC23C0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:16.49 | *** join/#maemo mikkov__ (n=mikkov@xdsl-83-150-82-126.nebulazone.fi) |
| 23:16.54 | lcuk | the error report tells him what to do |
| 23:17.08 | *** join/#maemo Tuco11 (n=Tuco1@208.253.160.244) |
| 23:17.13 | lcuk | call disable_event before the _init |
| 23:17.32 | *** join/#maemo acidjazz (i=acidjazz@notchill.com) |
| 23:18.19 | *** join/#maemo Andrewfblack (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 23:18.37 | lcuk | dmj7261, the python lib should pretty much mirror the c lib, if you are looking for refs and you cannot find it in python docs, try the c stuff :) |
| 23:18.43 | *** join/#maemo LurkerXXX__ (n=LurkerXX@adsl-99-128-16-189.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:18.43 | *** join/#maemo Lorthirk (n=cm0901@109.115.69.63) |
| 23:20.08 | *** join/#maemo igagis1 (n=aig101c@217.147.104.142) |
| 23:20.14 | *** join/#maemo IRSeekBot (n=IRSeekLo@irseek/log-bot/IRSeekBot) |
| 23:20.24 | *** join/#maemo Owner_ (n=Owner@239-149.dothan.cable.graceba.net) |
| 23:21.15 | *** join/#maemo mord (n=ahamal@cs.Joensuu.FI) |
| 23:21.17 | *** join/#maemo cosmo (i=cosmo@beer.modeemi.cs.tut.fi) |
| 23:21.18 | *** join/#maemo jeremiah2 (n=jeremiah@c83-248-143-10.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:21.20 | *** join/#maemo krig (i=kegie@stalin.acc.umu.se) |
| 23:21.32 | *** join/#maemo Veggen_ (n=vegard@vegard.engen.priv.no) |
| 23:21.45 | *** join/#maemo kurtan (n=kurtan@kurtan.se) |
| 23:26.32 | *** join/#maemo n6pfk (n=n6pfk__@96.238.186.191) |
| 23:27.09 | *** join/#maemo vcgomes (n=vcgomes@li17-238.members.linode.com) |
| 23:27.51 | dmj7261 | I just imported clutter and gluttergtk in the wrong order |
| 23:27.52 | *** join/#maemo asedeno_work (n=asedeno@ita4fw1.itasoftware.com) |
| 23:29.13 | *** join/#maemo Doni^_ (i=doni@kapsi.fi) |
| 23:29.21 | *** join/#maemo CoreFusion- (n=corefusi@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ff6ec300-22.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 23:29.27 | *** join/#maemo Stskeeps (n=chobits@pc-10-195.skjoldhoej.dk) |
| 23:30.52 | lcuk | has anyone seen my pen? |
| 23:31.04 | johnx | I might have seen it once |
| 23:31.23 | johnx | do you think you might have left it in Amsterdam or Copenhagen? |
| 23:31.45 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: if you already know the sharing dialog protos, wouldn't it make sense to make a community -dev package if nokia refuses? |
| 23:31.46 | lcuk | lol, i left it on my desk here |
| 23:33.24 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I only know the one function signature, and even that was obtained via guesswork |
| 23:33.45 | javispedro | but that's THE function I guess :) |
| 23:34.32 | *** join/#maemo JoakimCarli (n=eeeeh@c83-252-242-250.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 23:34.36 | qwerty12_N900 | I guess so :p |
| 23:36.35 | *** join/#maemo archebyte (n=archebyt@247.177-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 23:44.04 | *** join/#maemo hellwolf-n810 (n=hellwolf@109.50.50.4) |
| 23:44.07 | dmj7261 | self.emotion_vars.python() |
| 23:44.08 | dmj7261 | self.emotion_vars.python = "frustrated" |
| 23:44.08 | dmj7261 | self.emotion_vars.python = "Okay it's actually pretty awesome now that it's working." |
| 23:44.47 | johnx | so importing cluttergtk second overrides some emotion variables? :D |
| 23:45.06 | archebyte | can't seem to setup esbox on Ubuntu 9.10.. get a blank dialog after running eclipse and selecting 'OK' from the Choose Workspace dialog..http://tinypic.com/r/33jgswn/4 any ideas? |
| 23:45.47 | dmj7261 | yes, by way of not failing and causing me instant happiness. |
| 23:46.17 | luke-jr | dmj7261: btw, that is totally not sensible Python code |
| 23:46.24 | dmj7261 | I know |
| 23:47.16 | dmj7261 | you have to admit though, that pseudocode is pretty darn close to Python ;) |
| 23:49.49 | Shapeshifter | Mhhh, is there a set of tools for ash/bash, basically command line tools, to control things in the phone, like toggling 3G or setting the screen brightness and such? |
| 23:50.14 | johnx | Shapeshifter, probably easiest to do that with dbus-send |
| 23:50.23 | Shapeshifter | johnx: I see. |
| 23:50.39 | johnx | however, you bring up a good point that it would be neat to have some really thin shell wrappers around those functions that acted like more "classic" linux command line tools |
| 23:50.58 | Shapeshifter | johnx: I'll definetly get into that as soon as I have one |
| 23:51.11 | johnx | do you have an n800/n810? |
| 23:51.32 | Shapeshifter | johnx: because it would then be a stroll to write small scripts to do things according to other states. |
| 23:51.36 | Shapeshifter | johnx: nope. |
| 23:51.51 | johnx | ah, then nevermind |
| 23:52.00 | johnx | I was just going to say you could get started right away :> |
| 23:52.16 | Shapeshifter | johnx: well ;) |
| 23:52.43 | Shapeshifter | I don't think scratchbox can help, right? Well, I'll read some docs if I find the time |
| 23:53.04 | johnx | you can surely do some stuff with dbus-send at least to get an idea of the syntax |
| 23:53.13 | johnx | like launching apps, or being notified when something happens |
| 23:53.25 | johnx | on the listening side, you probably want to look at dbus-monitor |
| 23:53.26 | Shapeshifter | I already know some dbus-send |
| 23:53.34 | Shapeshifter | did some scripting with it earlier. |
| 23:53.39 | johnx | very neat |
| 23:59.36 | GAN900 | wishes for just one dinky little patch to fix FBReader. |
| 23:59.46 | johnx | the volume button thing? |
| 23:59.49 | johnx | yeah. me too |
| 23:59.58 | johnx | been using my n800 for ebooks because of that |
