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| 00:02.08 | lcuk | whos got an n97 |
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| 00:03.24 | lcuk | or played on one |
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| 00:18.56 | VDVsx | lcuk, I played with one, don't have it anymore |
| 00:19.22 | VDVsx | has the 5800 atm |
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| 00:23.21 | wazd | Droid is an another example that people will eat anything that's well advertised |
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| 00:26.20 | pupnik | or the power of being number one, wazd |
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| 00:29.01 | wazd | pupnik: not really sure where droid is number one, but anyway :) |
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| 00:30.17 | kynky | i thought it was 2.0 |
| 00:30.18 | pupnik | google is number one in search engine, so all their projects get instant recognition |
| 00:30.32 | wazd | more than that, it's ad is dirty lies in some places |
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| 00:30.51 | pupnik | nokia is also important and huge. so the n900 is also serious |
| 00:31.10 | pupnik | but the backwards compatibiliuty is maybe something to leave to the hackers |
| 00:31.10 | lcuk | thunderbird is havign a shitfit |
| 00:31.19 | wazd | like "iDont take photos at night". Droid can't even take photos at the daytime |
| 00:31.20 | pupnik | the consumers want new shit |
| 00:32.13 | kynky | consumers always want |
| 00:32.27 | pupnik | lcuk: have you tried 'dillo' browser? how bout something simple like that integrated into clutter |
| 00:32.57 | lcuk | not looked |
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| 00:41.32 | GeneralAntilles | Fun, MAFW dbus wrapper has been eating 70+% CPU for the past 6 hours. |
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| 00:45.38 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, cool! |
| 00:45.42 | lcuk | how do you know how long |
| 00:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, because it's been warm since then and I hadn't bothered to check why until it threw a low battery warning. |
| 00:46.22 | lcuk | yikes |
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| 00:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | It actually may have been longer |
| 00:49.39 | GeneralAntilles | 'cause I think Media Player crashed when I went to bed last night. |
| 00:49.47 | lcuk | urg |
| 00:53.09 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, |
| 00:53.19 | lcuk | i think you were very generous here |
| 00:53.34 | lcuk | bug #5818 "Logging and and rating a package should take all of 30 seconds." |
| 00:53.36 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5818 We need servers |
| 00:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, Bugzilla always makes me typo like crazy for some reason. |
| 00:55.27 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:55.33 | lcuk | its good to know its happenin tho :) |
| 00:58.40 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: god to know it can go on for 6 hours at 70% CPU |
| 00:58.52 | javispedro | s/god/good (I seriously suck at typing) |
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| 01:20.23 | wazd | wow! |
| 01:20.32 | wazd | I've made it for Moscow n900 meeting! |
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| 01:21.23 | wazd | 24.11.09. RST38h. gogogo :) |
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| 01:23.15 | pupnik | nice wazd |
| 01:23.43 | wazd | that's the date I'll see n900 live for the first time :S |
| 01:26.07 | pupnik | i want to drive to moscow |
| 01:26.22 | pupnik | follow the trail of my grandfather |
| 01:26.35 | ShadowJK | good luckk getting a visa in time? :) |
| 01:26.43 | Proteous | did he leave some breadcrumbs |
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| 01:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | Poor, poor wazd. |
| 01:28.41 | wazd | yeah, poor me :D |
| 01:30.38 | pupnik | wazd will kick ass in life |
| 01:30.48 | pupnik | watch out for him |
| 01:37.17 | GeneralAntilles | In the Army! |
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| 01:57.40 | dmj7261 | Heh, apparently Dell told my parents that they canceled all those n900 preorders to protect Nokia's reputation by not shipping the n900 because it has lots of hardware problems. |
| 01:58.51 | ShadowJK | why is Dell involved |
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| 02:01.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol? |
| 02:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | Is that the one that sold for < $500? |
| 02:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | I've encountered a few software problems, but no hardware problems. |
| 02:02.35 | ShadowJK | replace hardware with software, look at n97, and it might make sense |
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| 02:11.17 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, not sure why they would cancel now, though. |
| 02:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | Since we should be almost through with the delay. |
| 02:14.02 | luke-jr | wonders the legality of cancelling preorders against the consent of the purchaser. |
| 02:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, perfectly legal. |
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| 02:14.29 | GeneralAntilles | Perorders are very nebulous things. |
| 02:14.35 | GeneralAntilles | They can change prices on you, too. |
| 02:15.23 | luke-jr | hrm |
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| 02:17.02 | GeneralAntilles | It all depends on the agreement the retailer sets out for their preorders |
| 02:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | Most of them give themselves lots of wiggle room. |
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| 02:48.47 | Macer | SO |
| 02:48.51 | Macer | n900 out yet? :) |
| 02:49.24 | Macer | someone seriously needs to remove words like "new" for videos that are over a week old |
| 02:49.29 | Macer | from maemo.nokia.com |
| 02:51.58 | Macer | lol |
| 02:52.12 | Macer | i'm watching the wired video on the n900 and the first 20 seconds is him telling everybody how much symbian sucks |
| 02:53.11 | Termana | because it does |
| 02:54.08 | Macer | yeah but |
| 02:54.22 | Macer | i just thought it was odd that nokia was linking toa video that explains how much its own OS sucks |
| 02:54.46 | Macer | so will skype be a real skype on it? |
| 02:55.10 | Macer | like where it actually uses the data pkts and not some lame ass call forwarding crap like most phones? |
| 02:57.44 | Termana | what? how else do you expect to use skype except over a data connection? |
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| 03:06.41 | pupnik | get Goldheart Assembly - Hope Hung High |
| 03:07.00 | pupnik | just get it |
| 03:12.37 | b-man17 | just got Ubuntu Karmic up and running :) |
| 03:12.49 | b-man17 | pretty nice system :) |
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| 03:52.12 | digitalstimulus | hello! |
| 03:52.40 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy |
| 03:53.30 | digitalstimulus | figured i'd check and see if there was an irc channel :) on n810 |
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| 03:56.40 | digitalstimulus | kind of excited, i haven't been on irc in years. recently installed xchat |
| 04:01.10 | digitalstimulus | anyone know how to tab complete? |
| 04:01.37 | digitalstimulus | on n810 |
| 04:04.06 | pupnik | control-i |
| 04:05.15 | Termana | pupnik that just makes the channel list disappear |
| 04:05.36 | digitalstimulus | detaches window in xchat |
| 04:05.49 | Macer | LOL |
| 04:05.53 | Macer | bones is pretty funny this week |
| 04:06.08 | digitalstimulus | specifically, i'm trying to nick complete |
| 04:06.19 | pupnik | oh |
| 04:06.26 | pupnik | in xterm ctl-i is tab |
| 04:06.36 | pupnik | you can remap any key to tab |
| 04:07.00 | pupnik | we could make a package to do it |
| 04:07.07 | pupnik | but everybody has diff preferences |
| 04:08.18 | digitalstimulus | hmm, i see xchat has auto nick complete in settings. have to see if i can get that working |
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| 04:09.25 | digitalstimulus | di, |
| 04:09.30 | pupnik | nope |
| 04:09.36 | digitalstimulus | hmm |
| 04:09.40 | pupnik | want me to google it? |
| 04:09.50 | pupnik | there's a blog with instructions to add tab to your keyboard |
| 04:10.36 | digitalstimulus | i never use the dpad, that button would make a good tab |
| 04:12.13 | digitalstimulus | pup, |
| 04:12.19 | digitalstimulus | hmm |
| 04:12.44 | pupnik | i forget what i used |
| 04:12.55 | pupnik | fn+space i think |
| 04:13.40 | digitalstimulus | hmm, i don't think xchat's auto nick complete works... |
| 04:14.33 | digitalstimulus | strange |
| 04:22.40 | digitalstimulus | perhaps i'll learn some about developing in maemo...i need a simple motion activated camera alarm :) |
| 04:23.08 | pupnik | yes digitalstimulus many many things you can do |
| 04:23.16 | pupnik | wide open field in many areas |
| 04:23.37 | digitalstimulus | i haven't coded in so long... |
| 04:24.18 | pupnik | same here - nokia 770 changed that |
| 04:24.22 | pupnik | was fun again |
| 04:24.55 | Macer | let me check out warehouse 13 |
| 04:25.50 | digitalstimulus | my goal is to keep my cats off the kitchen counters :). i saw a youtube vid where someone hacked together a blender attached to a controlled power outlet/laptop, controlled by a camera |
| 04:26.22 | pupnik | blender + cats is a bit offtopic |
| 04:26.55 | digitalstimulus | i'm not looking to get that elaborate, but basically i want to make somethning similar for n810 |
| 04:27.14 | digitalstimulus | sense motion with camera, play sound |
| 04:27.33 | pupnik | on the other hand, "catblender" has a certain ring to it |
| 04:27.39 | pupnik | ahh |
| 04:28.04 | pupnik | great idea - cpu will be taxed tho |
| 04:28.18 | pupnik | and eat battery |
| 04:28.46 | digitalstimulus | i can leave it plugged in, and it doesn't need to be realtime |
| 04:29.13 | pupnik | to scare cat away woth sound? |
| 04:29.34 | digitalstimulus | i could do a 5 second delay and compare pixels during the delay |
| 04:29.53 | pupnik | do it |
| 04:30.18 | Termana | a $300+ cat scarer. ingenious. |
| 04:30.28 | pupnik | seen caöera output? |
| 04:30.32 | digitalstimulus | haha |
| 04:30.45 | pupnik | noise will get you |
| 04:30.54 | digitalstimulus | well, i use this thing all the time |
| 04:31.28 | digitalstimulus | my favorite so far is carman. just bought a bluetooth obd reader for our car |
| 04:32.04 | digitalstimulus | does gps tracking along with obd readings during trips |
| 04:32.13 | pupnik | derf is image processing guru here |
| 04:33.08 | pupnik | anc cats move over counter faster than 5 seconds |
| 04:33.16 | digitalstimulus | i've done some gdi/image magick stuff...uhh long ago. long enough to have to relearn how to do such things |
| 04:33.37 | digitalstimulus | well, you get the idea |
| 04:34.09 | pupnik | there is code for you |
| 04:34.17 | pupnik | if i can remember name |
| 04:34.53 | digitalstimulus | my cats know they aren't supposed to be up there :) they jump up when we're not around and creep slowly |
| 04:35.35 | pupnik | i am picturing you confronting theÃm with the evidence |
| 04:36.24 | digitalstimulus | haha, no. but what works best isn't us chasing them down, they just learn that we are the 'bad guy' |
| 04:36.29 | pupnik | the program im thinking of is open-source for home security monitoring |
| 04:36.36 | pupnik | has motion detection |
| 04:36.55 | digitalstimulus | and do it while we aren't around |
| 04:37.46 | pupnik | xcat |
| 04:38.33 | digitalstimulus | so having 'the counter itself' chase them away will train them to 'fear' tthe counter instead of us. :) |
| 04:39.40 | Termana | fear the almighty COUNTER |
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| 04:40.21 | digitalstimulus | i may have come across it beforre. i looked into some security software before |
| 04:42.13 | digitalstimulus | yes, the objective is to get the cats to think the counter chases them away and not us. the counter is always therre, we aren't always around :) |
| 04:44.33 | digitalstimulus | although outside of this context, i don't know how useful a motion camera alarm would be for others on a maemo platform |
| 04:47.16 | Termana | why not just buy one of those cheap lazer trip alarms or a noise based one? |
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| 04:47.52 | digitalstimulus | eh, i like a geeky challenge |
| 04:48.56 | m77771111 | sold my n810 for $240 (-; |
| 04:49.09 | digitalstimulus | plus, i'm not really into buying cheap throwaway single application stuff :) |
| 04:49.18 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, what're you getting now? |
| 04:49.30 | digitalstimulus | which is why i have this hehe |
| 04:49.50 | digitalstimulus | swiss army knife of gadgets! |
| 04:49.52 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles i was using n810 for "skype in kitchen" only, but not too frequently to hold n810 ... don't know) |
| 04:49.53 | pupnik | it is not a trivial app |
| 04:50.32 | m77771111 | why n810 live several days with activated wifi? Why ipaq 214 drains battery with wi-fi faster? :) |
| 04:50.40 | pupnik | n810 is a classic. i dont know if the design will be Ãmatched soon |
| 04:50.52 | GeneralAntilles | N900 kicks its ass. |
| 04:51.11 | GeneralAntilles | Well, fit'n'finish wise, anyway. |
| 04:51.13 | digitalstimulus | n900...makes me want to go t-mobile |
| 04:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | I guess you could make arguments for either design. |
| 04:51.27 | pupnik | both are great |
| 04:51.48 | pupnik | but now i am lusting after a spare n810 |
| 04:52.00 | digitalstimulus | spare? |
| 04:52.06 | pupnik | cause this elite metal case isnt coming back soon |
| 04:52.18 | pupnik | and the speakers... |
| 04:52.21 | digitalstimulus | n900 is plastic? |
| 04:52.33 | GeneralAntilles | A bit of metal. |
| 04:52.34 | pupnik | yes. good plastic |
| 04:52.49 | penguinbait | good plastic? |
| 04:53.01 | m77771111 | i think n810 have very slow cpu... Is iPhone have faster cpu? Or apple programmers just do very hard optimizing work? |
| 04:53.08 | pupnik | germans are plastic snobs |
| 04:53.14 | pupnik | good plastic |
| 04:53.15 | penguinbait | I have not seen one myself so I cannot comment |
| 04:53.50 | digitalstimulus | n810 has higher resolution |
| 04:54.01 | penguinbait | what is a plastic snob? German plastic better than Japan plastic? |
| 04:54.14 | penguinbait | same resolution |
| 04:54.21 | penguinbait | 800x480 |
| 04:54.25 | penguinbait | just a smaller screen |
| 04:54.27 | pupnik | yes, for decades |
| 04:54.43 | pupnik | now not so much |
| 04:55.00 | digitalstimulus | hmm, i was sure n810 had higher when i bouht mine. although it's been a while |
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| 04:55.40 | pupnik | look at fisher technik plastik for e.g |
| 04:56.01 | digitalstimulus | compared to 1st gen iphone |
| 04:56.21 | pupnik | similar cpu |
| 04:56.58 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, screen resolution is a BIG factor in performance. |
| 04:57.04 | digitalstimulus | iphone is nowhere near as flexible |
| 04:57.05 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone is accelerated, too. |
| 04:57.07 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles yes... |
| 04:57.08 | pupnik | main difference in speed scrolling stuff is the high resolution of N8x9, as others have indicated |
| 04:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, iPhone has significantly less than half the pixels to push around. |
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| 04:58.32 | digitalstimulus | iphone's browser also doesn't do flash, they cheat a bit and seem to 'flatten' web pages as images for smooth scroll effects |
| 04:58.33 | penguinbait | more like 1/4 right? |
| 04:58.54 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles sorry, not familiar with english ) "the pixels to push around." - - ? |
| 04:59.00 | GeneralAntilles | 40% |
| 04:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, the iPhone has a much lower resolution, so it has to spend a lot less of its resources on driving the display. |
| 04:59.44 | GeneralAntilles | Which means it seems like a higher performance device. |
| 05:00.27 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles ok. What kind of CPU must be installed in n810 to drive its resolution better ?:) |
| 05:00.28 | penguinbait | 480-by-320-pixel resolution , I thought it was 360x240 |
| 05:00.36 | penguinbait | not sure where I got that from |
| 05:01.12 | digitalstimulus | apple is all about presentation, they would scale back and limit stuff if it meant it runs smoother or is easier to use |
| 05:01.20 | m77771111 | i think, maybe it is worth to get HP 4200 (wacom touchscreen) for $500 (-; |
| 05:01.43 | samad | i am implementing camera for N900 but error messege gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:test-camera/GstV4l2CamSrc:camera_src: |
| 05:01.44 | samad | Check your filtered caps, if any |
| 05:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, OMAP3. |
| 05:01.46 | GeneralAntilles | So, N900. ;) |
| 05:01.50 | digitalstimulus | i think nokia just decided to push the technology to the limit |
| 05:01.54 | m77771111 | http://www.thetrailingedge.com/images/products/tc4200.jpg |
| 05:02.03 | samad | Any help ? |
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| 05:02.20 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles ok... Is nokia n900 can play youtube without lags ?:) |
| 05:02.30 | GeneralAntilles | digitalstimulus, I'll be interested to see how the Maemo 5 UI does on OMAP2 with PowerVR drivers. |
| 05:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, yes. |
| 05:02.40 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles he-he.. ) |
| 05:02.42 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, N8x0 can, too, actually. |
| 05:02.57 | digitalstimulus | is that n900? |
| 05:03.09 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles i didn't noticed that my n810 can play youtube fast enough ) |
| 05:03.18 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, but the Flash player in the browser is really inefficient. |
| 05:03.47 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles a, you mean that the interface (plugin -> browser canwas) is eats many cpu? :) |
| 05:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, the Flash plugin sucks |
| 05:04.06 | digitalstimulus | on n810, i use greasemonkey addon with a force low quality flash script |
| 05:04.07 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles so it is need to use some external "youtube client" ?) |
| 05:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | and the browser is based on a really old Gecko release. |
| 05:04.19 | digitalstimulus | it helps quite a bit |
| 05:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | m77771111, yes, if you install MyTube or something it runs much faster. |
| 05:04.29 | m77771111 | GeneralAntilles ok ) |
| 05:05.53 | digitalstimulus | flashblock addon also helps. show only the flash you want to see on a web page |
| 05:07.51 | digitalstimulus | n900 is accelerated? |
| 05:07.57 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 05:08.34 | digitalstimulus | damn, i suppose when my contract is up i'll switch to t-mobile :) |
| 05:09.05 | digitalstimulus | i've been drooling over that thing since i heard about it |
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| 05:10.19 | digitalstimulus | anyone tried mer? |
| 05:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | digitalstimulus, what carrier are you on? |
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| 05:11.12 | digitalstimulus | ex-alltel, now verizon. i'm ditching them after contract |
| 05:11.22 | Termana | mer is getting the fremantle interface on the next version (v0.17) |
| 05:11.35 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, too bad. |
| 05:11.55 | Termana | and the GLES drivers as well hopefully |
| 05:12.21 | digitalstimulus | yea. i use my phone for bluetooth DUN more than calls |
| 05:14.00 | digitalstimulus | sleepy time |
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| 05:35.49 | luke-jr | digitalstimulus: N810 is accelerated soon too |
| 05:39.32 | Termana | if they ever give us the drivers |
| 05:41.30 | Termana | luke-jr |
| 05:41.44 | luke-jr | I wonder if the library is going to be Maemo/Mer-specific :/ |
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| 05:48.31 | Termana | thats not as bad as you make it sound |
| 05:49.10 | luke-jr | Termana: hm? |
| 05:49.54 | Flandry | is it a bug that the extended description in app manager is so narrow, or a feature? |
| 05:50.50 | Termana | having the drivers mer/maemo only isn't all that bad |
| 05:51.44 | luke-jr | Termana: yes it is |
| 05:52.44 | Termana | why? |
| 05:56.01 | luke-jr | I don't use either. |
| 05:56.18 | Termana | what do you use? |
| 05:56.26 | luke-jr | Gentoo |
| 05:57.32 | Termana | on nokia n810? |
| 05:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, er, why would they be? |
| 05:59.30 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: they're libs...? |
| 05:59.46 | luke-jr | binary libs are generally rather OS-specific |
| 06:00.14 | Termana | luke-jr - you use gentoo on the nokia n810? |
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| 06:01.24 | luke-jr | Termana: yes |
| 06:02.06 | Termana | luke-jr - how much of the hardware works though? |
| 06:03.40 | luke-jr | Termana: everything except the GPS, because the GPS blobs are buggy |
| 06:06.04 | Termana | luke-jr - is it a community project or just something you decided to do yourself? |
| 06:09.21 | luke-jr | Termana: our community is 2 persons :p |
| 06:09.35 | Termana | lol |
| 06:10.02 | Termana | so you and someone else work on it? |
| 06:13.08 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 06:13.30 | luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 |
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| 06:13.52 | luke-jr | there's official Gentoo support for generic ARM, so we don't have *too* much work :p |
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| 06:42.32 | RST38h | moo. |
| 06:42.53 | qwerty12 | 'morning |
| 06:43.07 | RST38h | qwerty: I have found HildonButton and HildonCheckButton! =) |
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| 06:43.12 | samad | i can't run the example_camera of maemo site for n900 the error is gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:test-camera/GstV4l2CamSrc:camera_src: |
| 06:43.12 | samad | Check your filtered caps, if any |
| 06:43.21 | samad | nay help plz |
| 06:43.58 | johnx | m00f RST38h |
| 06:44.08 | RST38h | heya johnx |
| 06:44.09 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Hehe. Pimpin' up your emulators' menus? :p |
| 06:44.39 | RST38h | figures out that samad and sarower is the same guy |
| 06:44.45 | RST38h | qwerty: you bet! |
| 06:45.48 | samad | me not sarower but samad |
| 06:46.02 | RST38h | wouldn't be able to tell... |
| 06:46.43 | RST38h | qwerty: One thing that is missing is the ability to create HildonCheckButtons with the secondary text though. Should tell konttori, probably... |
| 06:47.51 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Ah, that was discussed on -developers by the Conboy guy. Resolution was: Not gonna happen. But the Conboy guy did make his own HildonCheckButton knockoff with the ability to have two labels... |
| 06:48.11 | RST38h | qwerty: Yea, just found the thread. Stupid. |
| 06:48.34 | RST38h | qwerty: Looks like Nokia UI guys have somewhat limited field of view... |
| 06:49.06 | qwerty12 | I guess switching to Qt in the next release does nothing to motivate their GTK developers :) |
| 06:49.32 | RST38h | qwerty: You do understand that we will have exactly the same thing with Qt> |
| 06:50.26 | RST38h | Seems to have nothing to do with programmers too: more like the UI/UX guys refusing to consider use scenarios outside their initial (limited) set |
| 06:50.51 | RST38h | For example, with checkbuttons, the guy clearly limits their usage to dialogs |
| 06:54.46 | pwnguin | you know, now that i see marat's here, a question comes to mind; just how much of an emulator do you need to write to emulate the gba on cortex a8? |
| 06:54.58 | RST38h | a lot. |
| 06:55.09 | RST38h | well, not write, port the existing one |
| 07:05.30 | johnx | alright. I'm finally sold on twitter: http://twitter.com/big_ben_clock |
| 07:06.19 | RST38h | figured out that the only use for twitter is being able to say "Blogger, shut your twitter" |
| 07:07.07 | johnx | nah. it's for big_ben_clock to post "BONG BONG BONG" at 3 o'clock |
| 07:08.40 | Lupu | haha |
| 07:09.25 | johnx | also: did t.m.o get horrifically slow for anyone else just now? |
| 07:10.21 | RST38h | yes |
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| 07:54.56 | gnuton | 'morning! ;D |
| 07:55.23 | RST38h | You should never confuse your batteries. Here's an easy way to keep them apart in your head: Lithium Ion batteries explode, Nickel Cadmium destroys the environment, and Lead Acid batteries are more corrosive than the Alien Queen's blood (plus, they contain lead). You can eat Lithium Ferro Phosphate batteries. |
| 07:55.26 | RST38h | morning |
| 07:56.32 | gnuton | RST38h: ;D |
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| 08:06.13 | L0cutus | re |
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| 08:12.05 | lcuk | johnx, make sure you RT it ;) |
| 08:12.35 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Oh, BTW, congratulations |
| 08:13.11 | lcuk | ta and good mornin |
| 08:13.18 | qwerty12 | 'morning |
| 08:13.29 | johnx | lcuk, RT it? |
| 08:13.52 | lcuk | RT: @big_ben_clock BONG BONG BONG |
| 08:14.20 | qwerty12 | BONG... gets urge to smoke |
| 08:22.11 | lcuk | why doesnt that surprise me |
| 08:25.39 | lcuk | johnx, have you ever been unfortunate enough to do google search for your name? |
| 08:26.01 | lcuk | if not, dont |
| 08:26.12 | lcuk | if so, how do you cleanse your eyes? |
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| 08:28.27 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Gah! I just found out about the pornstar "John X", too |
| 08:28.33 | qwerty12 | Bollocks |
| 08:29.13 | lcuk | qwerty what i find more scary is you know more than I - did you click and readup on him? lol |
| 08:29.27 | qwerty12 | I clicked the Wikipedia link, yes |
| 08:38.07 | johnx | jeez. even *I've* never found that one |
| 08:39.11 | qwerty12 | makes a mental note not to click on any links given by johnx that end in jpg/png etc. |
| 08:39.56 | johnx | hmmm...it's gonna be tough to end up with more google juice than "Pope John X" but I think I should make that my goal |
| 08:41.08 | johnx | http://www.yorktownsquare.com/img/johnX00251_9.jpeg |
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| 08:43.55 | RST38h | Hmm...some links in GTK+ reference are broken again |
| 08:44.20 | RST38h | johnx: you have gained some weight, I see... |
| 08:48.11 | lcuk | i thought bounce evolution was a prewritten game not just a tech demo |
| 08:48.23 | Stskeeps | sortof a tech demo |
| 08:48.28 | Stskeeps | it could be expanded though |
| 08:48.35 | lcuk | just noticed the description |
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| 08:48.48 | lcuk | its been avail on other platforms tho hasnt it |
| 08:49.23 | RST38h | yep |
| 08:49.34 | RST38h | 5800s come with it, although it is a simplified version there |
| 08:49.53 | lcuk | puts almost ti on |
| 08:50.29 | lcuk | and continues waiting for thunderbird to download his gmail |
| 08:50.33 | lcuk | 600 emails at a time |
| 08:50.46 | lcuk | its upto 2007 so far *rolleyes* |
| 08:51.29 | qwerty12 | lcuk: It could be worse: You could be using Modest to do this... |
| 08:52.03 | lcuk | tru, tru |
| 08:52.10 | Stskeeps | wonders if claws was ported yet |
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| 08:52.33 | lcuk | gmail is good at hiding how much crap there is |
| 08:52.47 | lcuk | i signed up in 2004! |
| 08:53.08 | RST38h | Remove All Items |
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| 08:54.27 | RST38h | (and forget) |
| 08:54.39 | lcuk | nahhh rst |
| 08:54.59 | lcuk | i still use some mails |
| 08:56.09 | lcuk | bah @ slowness tho, ill have to leave it goin |
| 08:56.17 | lcuk | off to barcamp :) bbiab |
| 08:56.47 | RST38h | have fun =) |
| 08:57.09 | qwerty12 | Fun? Manchester? /me sniggers |
| 08:57.14 | qwerty12 | Take care, lcuk |
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| 09:03.22 | Stskeeps | notes that the laptop market is way too murky. |
| 09:09.11 | RST38h | Sts: You just need to know what you want |
| 09:09.48 | RST38h | If you just need a generic 4kg brick that will sit with display off and compile stuff for you, go to some performance comparison page, buy the fastest one and forget |
| 09:10.28 | RST38h | If you want the cheapest 4kg brick, go with LG, Samsung, or ASUS. |
| 09:11.12 | RST38h | If you want a laptop you can carry, the choice is real small there, between Toshiba Portege, goddamn Lenovo X-series, Fujitsu, and Apple |
| 09:11.57 | johnx | these days hp and dell do ok actually |
| 09:12.09 | johnx | there quality is at least as good as the plastic macbook |
| 09:12.15 | johnx | s/there/their/ |
| 09:12.41 | RST38h | johnx: depends on the model line |
| 09:12.51 | RST38h | XPS looks pretty decent |
| 09:13.05 | johnx | that and one of their "for business" models seemed ok |
| 09:13.11 | RST38h | But these all go into brick category |
| 09:13.20 | johnx | really? hang on a sec... |
| 09:13.42 | johnx | thought there was a 12" or 13" ... |
| 09:13.54 | RST38h | They are all heavy |
| 09:14.09 | johnx | the macbook isn't light for sure |
| 09:14.18 | RST38h | Try finding one in <1.5kg range |
| 09:14.18 | johnx | unless you're talking about the air or something (ahahaha) |
| 09:14.27 | RST38h | Yes I am talking about the air |
| 09:15.05 | johnx | eh...that's a lot of money for low-end specs |
| 09:15.16 | johnx | not sure about the survivability or even reliability either |
| 09:15.49 | johnx | the 13.3" macbook pro on the other hand is a pretty nice thing at $1200. not "ultraportable" though |
| 09:17.09 | dmj7261 | How usable is mypaint on n900? |
| 09:17.19 | Lupu | Now that it was brought up, I can't avoid putting in a good word for the Thinkpad X301. |
| 09:18.05 | RST38h | johnx: I can't say much about the Air, but Porteges do pretty well in spite of their screens literally bending |
| 09:18.48 | dmj7261 | I just tried it out on my desktop and it's wonderful. |
| 09:18.50 | johnx | RST38h, the first couple revisions of the air were hilariously slow and had horrible reliability |
| 09:19.09 | johnx | I think they got better, but still |
| 09:19.10 | dmj7261 | air only has 1.5 usb ports :/ |
| 09:19.31 | dmj7261 | half that of the asus eee pc |
| 09:19.33 | RST38h | johnx: AFAIK same goes for Dell Adamo |
| 09:19.39 | johnx | RST38h, for sure |
| 09:19.50 | johnx | but how about a vostro or latitude |
| 09:19.59 | RST38h | johnx: In fact, Portege is also slow due to cooling problems |
| 09:20.01 | johnx | I'd be a little wary of buying one without some hands on time though |
| 09:20.20 | RST38h | johnx: I can speed it up by a factor of 3 just by forcing the fan into always-on-at-full-power mode |
| 09:20.20 | Lupu | dmj7261: What do you mean by 1.5? |
| 09:20.35 | dmj7261 | one full usb port and one mini usb thing |
| 09:20.39 | RST38h | johnx: Vostro I have not seen, Latitude always sucked, probably still does |
| 09:20.50 | dmj7261 | which I don't really count as a full usb port |
| 09:20.57 | RST38h | XPS I played with, felt fine, but too heavy for me |
| 09:21.03 | johnx | RST38h, well the latitudes *look* better at least |
| 09:21.07 | johnx | never saw one in person though |
| 09:21.18 | dmj7261 | since all your cables will be wrong for it. |
| 09:21.26 | RST38h | johnx: The old ones were heavy bricks filled with the cheapest available components |
| 09:21.48 | RST38h | johnx: The only advantage was that all the hardware was absolutely average, i.e. no crapware drivers required |
| 09:22.14 | dmj7261 | I had a terrible experience this evening with an HP tablet. |
| 09:22.16 | johnx | well, the 13" latitude hits 1.5kg |
| 09:22.22 | RST38h | goes to check |
| 09:22.33 | johnx | RST38h, http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/notebooks/laptop_latitude_e4300/pd.aspx?refid=laptop_latitude_e4300&s=bsd&cs=04 |
| 09:22.36 | dmj7261 | The tablet screen didn't work properly out of the box on ubuntu. |
| 09:22.58 | johnx | dmj7261, was it one of their "entertainment" tablets or one of the more business oriented line? |
| 09:22.58 | dmj7261 | very different experience to the toshiba tablets |
| 09:23.10 | dmj7261 | didn't look businessy |
| 09:23.20 | dmj7261 | tx2 something |
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| 09:23.41 | johnx | yeah. saw it in stores |
| 09:23.46 | johnx | didn't feel really substantial |
| 09:23.50 | dmj7261 | It was a classmate's computer. He wanted ubuntu on it. |
| 09:24.15 | dmj7261 | yeah, felt cheaply made, but that could just be the impression I get from glossy plastic. |
| 09:24.15 | RST38h | johnx: Looks like brick to me though: http://www.adoos.com.au/post/4287337/dell_e4300_latitude_133quotwxgabrand_newawsome |
| 09:24.21 | dmj7261 | rather slippery. |
| 09:25.34 | johnx | RST38h, well it certainly looks bricklike, but it's no thicker than a 13" macbook (pretty much my limit for what I'm willing to carry around) |
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| 09:26.12 | RST38h | 3.5lbs sounds good though |
| 09:26.40 | johnx | huh. wonder why I never heard of the 12" vostro |
| 09:27.21 | RST38h | 2.4lbs here though =) |
| 09:28.21 | RST38h | "Only Dell offers pre-installed videoconferencing software, Dell Video Chat, which along with the purchase of optional integrated webcam and microphone gives customers a complete videoconferencing solution." |
| 09:28.26 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 09:28.42 | dmj7261 | my lappy is 2.2 lbs |
| 09:28.50 | RST38h | I.e. both sides have to have Dells? =) |
| 09:28.54 | RST38h | dmj: what is it? |
| 09:29.05 | dmj7261 | um...the dell video thing sounds stupid |
| 09:29.10 | dmj7261 | eee pc 900 |
| 09:29.16 | RST38h | That is no lappy |
| 09:29.36 | johnx | bricklike x200s @ 2.53lb |
| 09:29.41 | dmj7261 | can handle 100 ff tabs and several hundred thousand words in OO.o with pidgin too. |
| 09:29.47 | RST38h | It's a netbook. And you will find it out the hard ware as long as you try compiling something serious on it |
| 09:30.02 | dmj7261 | like gnome-shell |
| 09:30.10 | RST38h | johnx: Yea, Lenovo X-series get pretty good reviews |
| 09:30.24 | suihkulokki | http://en.community.dell.com/blogs/direct2dell/archive/2009/09/28/latitude-on-arrives.aspx |
| 09:30.31 | dmj7261 | it's certainly not my workhorse. |
| 09:30.38 | RST38h | johnx: But I am not getting a Lenovo, fuck them into bankrupcy as soon as possible |
| 09:30.41 | suihkulokki | it would be interesting to see one of the dell latitudes with the omap3 daughtercard :) |
| 09:30.55 | johnx | RST38h, don't hold back. tell us how you really feel. :) |
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| 09:31.35 | doc|home | RST38h: they're 30% the chinese govt. They're not going bankrupt any time soon. |
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| 09:31.40 | RST38h | johnx: DOn't wanna sound repetitious :) |
| 09:31.58 | johnx | suihkulokki, wow! that totally slipped under my radar |
| 09:32.00 | johnx | very neat |
| 09:32.07 | RST38h | doc: All I really need is Intel terminating supply contract with them |
| 09:32.19 | RST38h | doc: So that we no longer have to use this garbage at work |
| 09:32.45 | johnx | RST38h, ah, right. I misread that as "terminating shipment of intel CPUs to them" |
| 09:32.52 | johnx | but that'd solve your problem too |
| 09:32.54 | RST38h | suihkulokki: They actually spent money to have an OMAP3 there?!? |
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| 09:34.49 | suihkulokki | RST38h: seems so, never seen that on real life though :) |
| 09:34.59 | RST38h | johnx: the other contract :() |
| 09:35.11 | johnx | holy crap! I want in an e4200 or e4300 now w/ an omap3 |
| 09:35.38 | johnx | running both at the same time would be pretty freaking great for ARM devel |
| 09:36.38 | RST38h | johnx: it is probably locked out |
| 09:36.40 | suihkulokki | johnx: read more carefully - e4200/e4300 have "latitude on" as "software", as in basicly a mini linux distro you can boot to instead of windows |
| 09:36.46 | RST38h | Won't be able to develop for it |
| 09:36.50 | suihkulokki | latitude z has the omap |
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| 09:36.58 | johnx | suihkulokki, but the bottom says they'll be shipping a "customer upgrade kit" |
| 09:37.09 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 09:37.23 | suihkulokki | they promise a omap3 upgrade for e4200/e4300, but it doesn't seem to be available yet |
| 09:37.34 | RST38h | Latitude Z actually looks mighty cool: http://www.dell.com/us/en/business/notebooks/laptop-latitude-z/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-latitude-z&cs=04&s=bsd |
| 09:37.36 | johnx | that's fine. I can wait :) |
| 09:37.38 | wazd | RST38h: moo :) |
| 09:38.12 | wazd | RST38h: http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/n900meetup/ gogogo :) |
| 09:38.19 | wazd | hello all |
| 09:38.28 | RST38h | wazd: Registering? |
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| 09:39.08 | wazd | RST38h: yep |
| 09:39.38 | doc|home | RST38h: terminating supply? Wow, that's big. Also, good for chinese clone chip makers. |
| 09:39.47 | RST38h | Latitude Z is 4.5lbs (1.98kg) with 16" display |
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| 09:40.02 | RST38h | doc: No, not that supply |
| 09:40.03 | johnx | doc|home, he means the other way :) he wants intel to stop buying lenovo laptops |
| 09:40.04 | RST38h | Mhm |
| 09:40.13 | doc|home | johnx: aww, shame |
| 09:40.14 | doc|home | :) |
| 09:40.18 | RST38h | doc: I just don't want Intel to continue buying this crap |
| 09:42.48 | bilboed | buy a Lenovo X series :) |
| 09:43.08 | bilboed | (that was for whoever was looking for a laptop) |
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| 09:43.48 | doc|home | so you too can fund the chinese government |
| 09:44.16 | bilboed | lol |
| 09:44.20 | bilboed | you're pathetic :) |
| 09:44.33 | doc|home | you have a low bar |
| 09:44.45 | bilboed | I guess you've never used a ThinkPad |
| 09:44.48 | bilboed | you'd say otherwise |
| 09:44.54 | doc|home | we have one in work |
| 09:44.57 | doc|home | hate it |
| 09:45.04 | bilboed | they go buy an Acer |
| 09:45.07 | doc|home | I've never seen the appeal |
| 09:45.12 | bilboed | I'm sure that's in your range of flaky laptops :) |
| 09:45.14 | doc|home | we have two of those, they suck too |
| 09:45.20 | doc|home | keep trying |
| 09:45.32 | bilboed | or a brick, like a Dell |
| 09:45.35 | johnx | oooh. can get the latitude on module as "spare part NY096" :D |
| 09:45.46 | bilboed | or a pimp laptop with unreliable hardware like an Apple |
| 09:45.46 | doc|home | bilboed: never touching a dell again, continue? |
| 09:45.48 | dmj7261 | It would be nice if buying laptops worked like buying desktops |
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| 09:46.07 | doc|home | dmj7261: it really would |
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| 09:46.21 | bilboed | or go back to the joys of the 90s and buy an olivetti :) |
| 09:46.25 | doc|home | or rather, buying parts to make your own desktop |
| 09:46.33 | dmj7261 | I've had a grand total of one new purchased desktop this decade. |
| 09:46.41 | johnx | msi has a "barebones" laptop kit ... |
| 09:46.49 | doc|home | I've built all of mine this decade |
| 09:47.04 | bilboed | desktops are another matter |
| 09:47.04 | johnx | and as for the lenovos... it really depends on which one you get: just like dells |
| 09:47.06 | dmj7261 | ...which has subsequently been replaced by a parade of new parts. |
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| 09:47.14 | doc|home | johnx: it's not very good and hard to source last I checked |
| 09:47.14 | bilboed | johnx, I only mentionned the X series |
| 09:47.24 | dmj7261 | ...reliable, quality, and inexpensive. |
| 09:47.41 | johnx | dmj7261, pick any 2? |
| 09:47.46 | johnx | bilboed, only one I'd consider as well |
| 09:47.53 | dmj7261 | ...laptops don't usually offer all of those, particularly not with performance. |
| 09:47.56 | johnx | but the latitude on module thing has me absolutely fascinated |
| 09:48.05 | Stskeeps | provided it's hackable |
| 09:48.44 | johnx | Stskeeps, well yeah. but that's just a matter of an exploit against their little linux install :) |
| 09:48.52 | dmj7261 | You can get all of those with a desktop these days. I wish I could have the same experience with laptops, but hey, my desktop just sits on my desk all day and night. |
| 09:49.06 | RST38h | johnx: I would wait until someone hacks it and tells the world about it |
| 09:49.08 | johnx | $200 for the board. the biggest thing I wonder is whether it can be on while the x86 chip is running |
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| 09:49.27 | johnx | RST38h, yeah...but man... it's really tempting |
| 09:49.33 | RST38h | Probably can, it is not going to share any resources other than video/audio/input |
| 09:49.49 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, but how do they handle *that* |
| 09:49.51 | RST38h | johnx: You are risking to repeat Macer's experience with TouchBook |
| 09:50.04 | johnx | RST38h, did he end up unhappy? |
| 09:50.08 | RST38h | johnx: Well, input they can feed through a serial port |
| 09:50.19 | RST38h | johnx: Mighty unhappy, throw-it-at-the-wall unhappy |
| 09:50.27 | johnx | I read a review. apparently the hardware isn't all that sturdy |
| 09:50.34 | johnx | shame really, but I didn't expect much different |
| 09:50.47 | RST38h | johnx: Video they probably route out through x86 chipset video capture |
| 09:50.47 | Stskeeps | johnx: macer's selling his TB for 250 usd or the likes btw |
| 09:50.59 | RST38h | johnx: Audio can be mixed trivially, by connecting wires together |
| 09:51.05 | johnx | looking at the sharp netwalker pretty seriously |
| 09:51.20 | Stskeeps | scary, just saw "Fremantle" as text on my tv |
| 09:51.32 | johnx | RST38h, hmm? routing video that way would require the x86 to be on, yes? |
| 09:51.50 | thux | couple kids just convicted here for computer crimes and newspaper said one of them downloaded from p2p 11.000e worth of microsoft programming tools! what kind of tool programs are that expensive? |
| 09:52.18 | johnx | thux, hmm, 11 euros sounds about right |
| 09:52.20 | RST38h | johnx: Only requires BIOS to initialize video chipset |
| 09:52.26 | thux | hehe |
| 09:52.38 | RST38h | johnx: That is relatively inexpensive, not like booting whole Win7 |
| 09:53.25 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. I'd do the hacking myself, but if there are hardware limitations it's a deal breaker... |
| 09:53.26 | thux | ms must have good tools for programming then |
| 09:54.03 | RST38h | not good, expensive |
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| 09:54.23 | RST38h | besides, I fully believe the prosectuion has pulled that number out of their collective ass |
| 09:54.52 | thux | are reverse compilers? |
| 09:54.59 | thux | they tools |
| 09:55.17 | thux | their tools |
| 09:55.31 | johnx | ugh. the e4200 is $2,000 + that "on" module for another $200 |
| 09:55.52 | Stskeeps | johnx: a beagleboard connected with USB and powered by usb might do the trick too :P |
| 09:56.30 | johnx | Stskeeps, might as well do my other hardware hack project: a beagle in G4 imac (one of the "lamp" ones) |
| 09:56.39 | johnx | w/ battery power and wireless mouse/keyboard |
| 09:56.58 | johnx | it should just be a computer sitting there with no wires, making no sound :) |
| 09:57.22 | johnx | especially since the beagle has LVDS for displays now (IIRC) |
| 09:57.32 | RST38h | johnx: Actually, it is ~30% less |
| 09:57.42 | johnx | RST38h, hmm? |
| 09:57.52 | RST38h | johnx: Because it is business-related expense :) |
| 09:57.52 | johnx | which part? the $2000 laptop or the $200 card? :P |
| 09:57.58 | RST38h | the whole thing |
| 09:58.15 | johnx | ah...interesting idea. |
| 09:58.45 | johnx | actually I can do better by getting a crappier version of windows too ... |
| 09:59.20 | RST38h | as long as you use it for work, and getting at least one 1099 for your work, you can claim it as expense |
| 09:59.47 | RST38h | I am not sure if W2s allow you to do that, but check with accounting office |
| 10:01.15 | johnx | eh. the beagle in imac idea is sound better by the second though :/ with enough money left over for another 12" laptop that's not really any worse |
| 10:01.52 | RST38h | You have got an N900, should it satisfy the cravings? =) |
| 10:02.16 | johnx | RST38h, it's my phone. :P I want to hack something up |
| 10:02.28 | johnx | I need something that can be non-working at any arbitrary point in time |
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| 10:02.39 | RST38h | Hack your phone and become a phreaker! =) |
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| 10:02.55 | RST38h | Like....a second N900? :) |
| 10:03.03 | johnx | meh. I just whistle into it for free long distance :) |
| 10:03.15 | johnx | nah. the rule is: I can never two of the same device |
| 10:03.16 | aquatix | *g* |
| 10:03.28 | RST38h | true |
| 10:03.33 | RST38h | good rule |
| 10:03.58 | RST38h | remembers that story about the wish granting machine that never granted the same wish twice |
| 10:05.02 | johnx | I wonder how that 'on' module connects |
| 10:05.09 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:05.10 | RST38h | They had to build 12 or so identical parts with it, so they went over all possible materials from aluminium to diamond and still couldn't make enough parts |
| 10:05.11 | johnx | people describe it as being 'under the memory chips' |
| 10:05.30 | RST38h | johnx: that is physical location , has nothing to do with how it connects |
| 10:05.49 | johnx | RST38h, really? *rolls eyes* |
| 10:06.19 | johnx | what I want to find is someone with an e4x00 who can tell me what connector is available under the RAM slot |
| 10:11.28 | RST38h | johnx: marginally more information |
| 10:11.37 | RST38h | johnx: I would try finding service manuals instead |
| 10:12.05 | johnx | working on it of course |
| 10:12.12 | johnx | info is very strangely sparse |
| 10:12.23 | RST38h | is it released at all? |
| 10:12.27 | johnx | it's for sale and I still can't find a *picture* of the real thing |
| 10:12.32 | johnx | people are *using* it |
| 10:12.47 | RST38h | are there screenshots of the ARM OS at least? |
| 10:12.48 | johnx | and it's shipping as of two weeks ago I believe |
| 10:12.54 | johnx | yeah |
| 10:12.57 | johnx | and firefox is the browser |
| 10:13.22 | thux | does windows support arm omap laptops? |
| 10:13.23 | samad | how web cam can be shown in Emulator for N900 ? |
| 10:13.35 | johnx | thux, windows mobile/ce, sure |
| 10:13.59 | thux | but not this seven pc thing? |
| 10:14.25 | johnx | thux, definitely not |
| 10:14.32 | thux | ok |
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| 10:15.46 | ccooke | Morning, all |
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| 10:18.02 | RST38h | WinCE??? |
| 10:18.04 | RST38h | Nooooo |
| 10:19.18 | johnx | yeah, not as good as Windows CeMeNT |
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| 10:25.36 | johnx | hmmm hmm hmm. seems the latitude on might be a mini pci card |
| 10:26.46 | RST38h | delightful? |
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| 10:27.33 | johnx | so I wonder if the mini pci slot in those machines is non-standard in some interesting way to allow for the latitude on to do its thing |
| 10:28.26 | johnx | heh. original launch date was supposed to be november ... 2008 |
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| 10:29.52 | Macer | ugh |
| 10:30.00 | Macer | apps that install toolbars in your browser should be banned |
| 10:30.06 | Macer | like sun java with its yahoo toolbar |
| 10:30.17 | johnx | hey Macer. sorry to hear you were having trouble with the touchbook |
| 10:30.23 | johnx | what's not so good about it? |
| 10:30.31 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net |
| 10:30.33 | johnx | software or hardware? |
| 10:30.37 | Macer | should be the latest one ;) |
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| 10:33.31 | johnx | Macer, so you're selling it? and how do you feel about the physical construction now that you've had it for a while? |
| 10:37.10 | Macer | i think the tablet is nicely designed |
| 10:37.20 | Macer | but the whole tipping when connected to the keyboard thing |
| 10:37.27 | Macer | that is just unsat |
| 10:38.50 | johnx | does it feel sturdy? |
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| 10:48.06 | lardman | morning |
| 10:49.41 | pH5 | good morning lardman |
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| 10:52.25 | Dantonic | anyone use xchat on their NIT? |
| 10:52.30 | johnx | yup |
| 10:52.44 | johnx | on maemo4 and 5, n800,n810 and n900 |
| 10:53.04 | Dantonic | hey, do you ever get a crash that causes all applets to disappear? |
| 10:53.20 | Dantonic | i'm on n800 |
| 10:53.37 | Dantonic | nit sure if its xchat or not |
| 10:53.53 | RST38h | yes we do |
| 10:54.06 | RST38h | that is hildon-desktop crash |
| 10:54.15 | johnx | ah. I guess we do then. that's pretty bad. |
| 10:54.19 | johnx | haven't run into it yet |
| 10:54.36 | Dantonic | for me, all applets disappear, and my personal menu gets replaced with regular menu |
| 10:54.37 | lardman | hi pH5 |
| 10:54.50 | Dantonic | ah what causes that- |
| 10:54.55 | RST38h | One of your applets does not work right. |
| 10:55.02 | lardman | anyone here got a 5800? What are they like? |
| 10:55.07 | RST38h | Remove all applets, then add them one by one slowly |
| 10:55.14 | RST38h | lardman; Sturdy littl ephone |
| 10:55.27 | Dantonic | well it dosnt happen always |
| 10:55.35 | RST38h | lardman: Nothing special, absolutely no-shiny, but comfortable. Can be operated with one hand. |
| 10:55.40 | lardman | RST38h: the wife is looking for a new phone, doesn't much like the N900! ;) |
| 10:56.04 | RST38h | lardman: 5800 does feel like a somewhat lobotomized n900, but the UI is comfortable |
| 10:56.04 | lardman | touch-screen only though, does that work ok? |
| 10:56.08 | Dantonic | must be gpesummary RST38h |
| 10:56.18 | RST38h | lardman: same as on N900 |
| 10:56.26 | ShadowJK | 5800 is more like a lobotomized N800 isn't it |
| 10:56.31 | RST38h | No kinetic scrolling but she is not used to it yet, is she? |
| 10:56.57 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Naah, it is really more similar to maemo5 (or rather maemo5 new UI is made to mimic S60e5) |
| 10:56.57 | ShadowJK | with added gsm/3g.. |
| 10:57.11 | ShadowJK | I meant hardware |
| 10:57.14 | RST38h | The CPU is some generic ARM11 |
| 10:57.27 | RST38h | Shadow: But you do not deal with hardware you deal with UI |
| 10:57.40 | RST38h | whatever is underneath is of no concern to a regular punter |
| 10:58.11 | lardman | the wife has taken offense at being called a regular punter ;) |
| 10:58.13 | RST38h | lardman: Oh, btw, bt module has died in hours after ~3 months. I have not fixed it yet, have to go to a service center |
| 10:58.25 | Dantonic | do u guys use gpesummary? |
| 10:58.31 | RST38h | s/hours/ours/ |
| 10:58.35 | lardman | Dantonic: no, not me |
| 10:58.49 | lardman | RST38h: is that a generic fault? |
| 10:59.01 | RST38h | lardman: No idea, have not heard of it but google |
| 10:59.10 | lardman | ok, sounds alright then |
| 10:59.22 | lardman | do you have data with yours? Is it necessary? |
| 10:59.28 | RST38h | lardman: Also, our 5800s are made in Hungary, not sure if UK ones come from the same place |
| 10:59.56 | RST38h | lardan: We have no plans here, data is $.14/MB with Internet option enabled |
| 11:00.08 | lbt | is anyone working on hildonising xchat? |
| 11:00.09 | RST38h | $.20/MB or so with Internet option off |
| 11:00.24 | RST38h | lardman: So yea, web browsing, maps, icq |
| 11:00.35 | lardman | cool, same sort of stuff as N900 then |
| 11:00.54 | RST38h | the screen is a bit more crumped, but there is a floating keyboard and handwriting recognition option |
| 11:00.55 | Dantonic | RST38h, so it's definitely not advanced backlight nor advanced battery causing the hildon crash? gotta be one of the applets? |
| 11:01.15 | RST38h | Dantonic: I have no idea. Uninstall them all and add them one by one, slowly |
| 11:01.24 | Dantonic | also thought it might be those |
| 11:01.30 | Dantonic | ok |
| 11:01.34 | lardman | RST38h: thanks for the info :) |
| 11:02.01 | RST38h | lardman: it survives drops to the pavement btw, although we have not yet figured out how many |
| 11:02.17 | lardman | lol, good good |
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| 11:02.46 | RST38h | lardman: And you will have to delete about 6-8 Nokia supplied icons right away |
| 11:02.54 | lardman | apps? |
| 11:02.58 | RST38h | That includes NGage, Download, and a few more promotions |
| 11:03.05 | lardman | have not used a sumbian device since my Psion 5 ;) |
| 11:03.12 | lardman | s/sumbian/symbian |
| 11:03.47 | RST38h | Most of them are useless crap that wants to make you spend money. If you remove them before your wife gets to the device, she will not complain about them |
| 11:03.58 | frals | the 5800 is nice except for nokia hating sweden and not giving us the firmware upgrades :( |
| 11:04.21 | RST38h | frals: Just flash it with US or european firmware and that is all |
| 11:04.39 | RST38h | frals: you will lose specific swedish keyboard layout |
| 11:04.56 | Dantonic | man the android/google gps navigation loks nice. I really like the voice recognition, very handy |
| 11:05.09 | frals | dont think the gf would be to happy without the swedish keyboard ;( |
| 11:06.05 | qwerty12_N900 | Flash it with Finnish firmware and end the rivalry |
| 11:06.07 | frals | could probably flash it with a finnish and it would work thou |
| 11:06.08 | qwerty12_N900 | hides |
| 11:06.17 | frals | ^^ |
| 11:07.33 | ShadowJK | That's one nice thing I'm looking forward to with maemo, world-wide firmware image |
| 11:08.02 | lardman | hmm, /me wonders if he should get the wife to get an Android phone just to see what it's all about... :) |
| 11:08.22 | ShadowJK | I mean, symbian is just silly. Try install Nokia's own english-whatever dictionary program, and you'll discover that you need to get a phone the whatever-country to be able to read the language in whatever-country |
| 11:08.37 | ShadowJK | phone from the* |
| 11:10.29 | Veggen | how's the 900 to use as a phone? |
| 11:10.38 | RST38h | lardman: I would only go for Android if it is something like Moto Droid, with huge screen |
| 11:10.54 | RST38h | lardman: Or Leo (although Leo runs WinMo unfortunately) |
| 11:11.20 | Veggen | some people find it clunky. myself, I notice that my n810 is not with me ass often anymore, because another device besides my phone is often too much to drag with me. |
| 11:11.40 | Macer | lol |
| 11:11.55 | Macer | until president kennedy was killed, it wasn't a federal crime to assassinate a president |
| 11:11.56 | RST38h | yep. there can be only one! |
| 11:12.15 | RST38h | Macer: So, killing LIncoln was ok? |
| 11:12.24 | lardman | RST38h: hmm, I won't bother then |
| 11:12.27 | ShadowJK | sometimes has phone, two backup powersources and N810 with him in pockets |
| 11:12.27 | Macer | well. it was handled by the state |
| 11:12.30 | Macer | not the federal court ;) |
| 11:12.39 | lardman | HTC Tattoo looks like the only one available on Vodafone |
| 11:12.40 | johnx | Veggen, works pretty great, but it doesn't hold onto a weak signal quite as well as my old SE TM506 |
| 11:12.41 | frals | wow the n900 is pretty booked on forum nokia remote device access |
| 11:12.45 | Macer | so the local sheriff had jurisdiction |
| 11:13.36 | Macer | a small amount of alcohol placed on a scorpion will make it go crazy and sting itself to death |
| 11:13.52 | RST38h | prooflink? =) |
| 11:14.11 | Macer | RST38h: sorry. i am using a useless facts app on my G1 haha |
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| 11:18.04 | Dantonic | I've been getting a unable to create virtual memory error ever since i did a 'sudo fsck -y /dev/mmcblk0p2' |
| 11:18.23 | Dantonic | did i mess something up? |
| 11:18.46 | Dantonic | cant use virtual mem :( |
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| 11:20.00 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I plan to make an iMac abomination :) |
| 11:20.03 | ShadowJK | looks at the p2 and wonders |
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| 11:20.23 | johnx | guess it's a little late for him ... |
| 11:20.30 | lardman | hmm, HTC Magic |
| 11:20.32 | Dantonic | any ideas? |
| 11:20.45 | johnx | Dantonic, sorry, N810, N800, N900? |
| 11:20.52 | Dantonic | n800 |
| 11:21.10 | johnx | does it work with a different card? |
| 11:21.40 | johnx | also, pastebin your dmesg right after you try to make the swap file |
| 11:21.42 | ShadowJK | What kind of setup do you have if you have a mmblk0p2 |
| 11:22.05 | Dantonic | i guess my partitions melded too. i was booting from sd. 1.5gig boot partition 500mb fat |
| 11:22.18 | Dantonic | now its one 1.9 gb |
| 11:22.25 | johnx | also, see if your swap file still exists and delete it |
| 11:22.35 | johnx | ...ah. yeah. check your partition map |
| 11:22.39 | johnx | cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:23.40 | Dantonic | ... |
| 11:23.47 | Dantonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.03 | Dantonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.16 | Dantonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.24 | Dantonic | ... |
| 11:24.24 | johnx | ok, well that looks fine still |
| 11:24.54 | johnx | how is /dev/mmcblk0p1 doing for space? |
| 11:25.00 | Dantonic | right now i'm booting from internal flash |
| 11:26.24 | Dantonic | well in homediskfree just shows 1 patition 1.9/1.9 |
| 11:26.37 | johnx | use df -h |
| 11:26.45 | lardman | what is WCDMA? Is that 3G or what's used in the US? |
| 11:27.04 | johnx | lardman, that's the the tech behind UMTS/HSPA |
| 11:27.15 | johnx | so yeah, it's 3G |
| 11:27.24 | johnx | however: WCDMA != CDMA |
| 11:27.46 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 11:27.54 | Dantonic | /dev/mmcblk0p1 1.9G 236.0k 1.9G 0% /media/mmc2 |
| 11:28.01 | Macer | lol |
| 11:28.04 | ShadowJK | UMTS includes... everything.. |
| 11:28.07 | Dantonic | thats not right |
| 11:28.16 | Dantonic | thats all it shows. |
| 11:28.18 | Macer | only national geographic pays people to jump in the ocean and grav sea turtles |
| 11:28.22 | Macer | to stick cameras on them |
| 11:28.34 | Dantonic | i can still boot from there. idk what happened |
| 11:28.36 | ShadowJK | Dantonic, do you have two memory cards in the device? |
| 11:28.48 | Dantonic | yes |
| 11:28.54 | Dantonic | mmc2 and mmc1 |
| 11:29.24 | johnx | Dantonic, get any data you care about backed up |
| 11:29.38 | Dantonic | ya it is already |
| 11:29.43 | johnx | good |
| 11:29.52 | Dantonic | nothing to lose ;P |
| 11:30.06 | johnx | the next thing is probably to fsck -y /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:30.27 | RST38h | Macer: Smithsonian too |
| 11:30.29 | johnx | actually...maybe easier to just remake it entirely |
| 11:30.34 | Dantonic | thats what caused this in the first place. |
| 11:30.47 | lardman | strange the HTC Magic has a longer standby time on WCDMA than on GSM |
| 11:30.48 | johnx | you said you ran fsck -y /dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 11:30.58 | johnx | and no, fsck almost never *creates* fs problems |
| 11:31.04 | johnx | it might reveal hardware problems though |
| 11:31.10 | RST38h | is starting to get really annyoed with this Firefox for Mobile thing |
| 11:31.26 | RST38h | Who let these offtopicers include themselves into the Planet? |
| 11:31.52 | Dantonic | hmm i think i tried both p1 and p2 but only worked on p1 |
| 11:32.23 | lardman | RST38h: they will be thumbed down into oblivion |
| 11:32.28 | johnx | Dantonic, might be easier to just mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:32.30 | Dantonic | basically i've been having big stability issues, i thought fsck might fix something |
| 11:32.43 | Dantonic | reboots, freezes |
| 11:32.44 | johnx | Dantonic, was the fs mounted when you tried to run fsck? |
| 11:32.48 | RST38h | lardman: I would rather see them removed from the aggregator, oblivion or not |
| 11:33.20 | Dantonic | johnx, hmm probably lol didnt even think about umounting |
| 11:33.24 | johnx | got to agree with RST38h on this one, since I consume planet.maemo.org via RSS |
| 11:33.46 | Dantonic | is that the issue? |
| 11:34.08 | Dantonic | it was mounted? what does fsck do anyway? |
| 11:34.19 | johnx | Dantonic, well, then you might as well (unmount and) run mkfs.vfat on your /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:34.22 | johnx | ...to remake the filesystem |
| 11:34.35 | johnx | Dantonic, fsck shouldn't run if the fs is mounted unless you forced it too |
| 11:35.00 | RST38h | oh shit, his desktop sometimes crashed just 30 minutes ago and lo and behold: he is already remaking his filesystem |
| 11:35.13 | Dantonic | ok. what will mkfs.vfat do? |
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| 11:35.24 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 11:35.28 | johnx | but it basically cleans up the fs and fixes problems. it's totally harmless ... unless the fs is mounted and something is writing to it |
| 11:35.39 | johnx | Dantonic, mkfs.vfat reformats the partition |
| 11:35.52 | Dantonic | in fat? |
| 11:35.55 | johnx | yes |
| 11:36.17 | Dantonic | and after i can clone with ext? |
| 11:36.23 | johnx | I assume your boot-from-sd is on /dev/mmcblk0p2? |
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| 11:37.06 | Dantonic | no. now i only see p1 it's like it gobbled up the other partition |
| 11:37.20 | johnx | Dantonic, but when you ran cat /proc/partitions it showed both |
| 11:38.05 | Dantonic | ya but when i ran the other command for size it only showed p1 and taking the whole 2gb sd |
| 11:38.07 | RST38h | Hehehehe: http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters |
| 11:38.25 | johnx | Dantonic, yes. that other command (df -h) only shows mounted filesystems |
| 11:38.37 | Dantonic | i'm confused as to what is happening |
| 11:38.42 | RST38h | Stupid |
| 11:38.44 | Dantonic | ah ok |
| 11:38.57 | RST38h | And we complain about Nokia closing things... |
| 11:39.01 | johnx | and I think the mmcblk0p1 partition is broken in such a way that it's confused about the size |
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| 11:39.25 | Dantonic | i see |
| 11:39.39 | johnx | if your stuff is backed up, just repartition the whole card (or format from the file manager or a windows desktop) and do your dual boot setup again |
| 11:40.22 | johnx | after that everything should be fine (unless there is something physically wrong with your card) |
| 11:40.22 | Dantonic | 'mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1' would be it? |
| 11:40.23 | Dantonic | can i format from here- |
| 11:40.34 | Dantonic | frm flash? |
| 11:41.00 | Dantonic | format the whole thing? |
| 11:41.21 | johnx | Dantonic, you have two options: reformat just p1 or clear the whole card and start from scratch |
| 11:41.40 | johnx | I guess you might as well start my reformatting p1 |
| 11:41.49 | johnx | so type: umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:41.51 | Dantonic | and also how can i check if theres an issue with the card that might have been causing the instability? |
| 11:42.24 | johnx | Dantonic, type: dmesg > /home/user/MyDocs/dmesg.txt |
| 11:42.44 | johnx | then put the file on pastebin (or another pastebin-type site) |
| 11:42.47 | johnx | ~pastebin |
| 11:42.48 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 11:43.13 | johnx | RST38h, pretty much what I've been saying for a year or so |
| 11:43.57 | johnx | and the n900 has the guts to run maemo as well as running davlikVM at the same time I believe |
| 11:43.58 | RST38h | johnx: I was not aware it was that bad |
| 11:44.20 | johnx | RST38h, I was one of the first people getting the sdk running on the zaurus :) |
| 11:44.29 | johnx | sooo...close to 2 years actually |
| 11:44.42 | RST38h | will argue that his z80 vm is way more useful than dalvik vm =) |
| 11:44.53 | RST38h | games are way better for once ;] |
| 11:45.07 | johnx | RST38h, does it have google navigation? :P |
| 11:45.12 | Dantonic | http://pastebin.com/m9ca5986 |
| 11:45.20 | Dantonic | whats dmesg? |
| 11:45.22 | SpeedEvil | ponders a z80 mapping app. |
| 11:45.47 | johnx | Dantonic, it prints kernel messages |
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| 11:45.52 | RST38h | johnx: no that it extra |
| 11:45.56 | Dantonic | ok |
| 11:46.11 | johnx | I'm looking for anything that suggests your sd card is dying |
| 11:46.15 | johnx | I don't see anything |
| 11:46.24 | johnx | normally you'd see I/O errors or something similar |
| 11:46.33 | Dantonic | ah ok |
| 11:46.41 | Dantonic | so try mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1? |
| 11:46.48 | johnx | umount /dev/mmcblk0p1 && mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:47.04 | johnx | if you don't umount before this, it'll be the same situation all over again :P |
| 11:47.23 | Dantonic | done |
| 11:47.36 | johnx | take the card out and put it back |
| 11:47.40 | johnx | then run df -h |
| 11:48.02 | Dantonic | ok gotta turn off brb |
| 11:48.11 | johnx | turn off? |
| 11:48.19 | Dantonic | i'm on n800 |
| 11:48.44 | johnx | you're booted from NAND, right? |
| 11:48.49 | Dantonic | i'm on the device. |
| 11:48.51 | Dantonic | yes |
| 11:48.54 | Dantonic | nand |
| 11:48.56 | johnx | so just take the card out and put it back ... |
| 11:49.11 | Dantonic | oh thats safe? |
| 11:49.18 | johnx | yeah |
| 11:49.27 | johnx | do you reboot to swap cards all the time? |
| 11:49.57 | Dantonic | i never swap cards |
| 11:50.05 | johnx | I mean, obviously it's no good if you're running from the card itself... :) |
| 11:50.11 | Dantonic | lol |
| 11:50.21 | Dantonic | ok it sees it |
| 11:50.26 | Dantonic | detected it |
| 11:50.34 | johnx | good sign :) |
| 11:50.49 | Dantonic | now? |
| 11:50.52 | johnx | df -h |
| 11:51.28 | Dantonic | mkfs.vfat 2.11 (12 Mar 2005) |
| 11:51.32 | Dantonic | err |
| 11:51.47 | Dantonic | /dev/mmcblk0p1 468.5M 0 468.5M 0% /media/mmc2 |
| 11:51.52 | Dantonic | sees fat |
| 11:52.08 | johnx | yup |
| 11:52.14 | Macer | if a lobster loses an eye it will grow another one |
| 11:52.17 | johnx | that matches your /proc/partitions |
| 11:52.30 | johnx | Macer, I want all those cool animal regrowth genes |
| 11:52.36 | Dantonic | ok extending memory now |
| 11:52.40 | Dantonic | works |
| 11:52.48 | johnx | Macer, regrowing teeth, eyes, limbs. would be really nice |
| 11:52.57 | johnx | Dantonic, rockin' |
| 11:53.03 | johnx | makes hot cocoa, goes to bed |
| 11:53.06 | Dantonic | awesome |
| 11:53.23 | Dantonic | so insightful! thx johnx |
| 11:53.45 | Dantonic | so where does it extend the virt mem to? |
| 11:54.00 | Dantonic | from p1? |
| 11:54.11 | johnx | a file on /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 11:54.17 | Dantonic | ok |
| 11:54.18 | johnx | type: ls -a /dev/mmc2 |
| 11:54.26 | johnx | I bet you'll figure out what file it is :) |
| 11:54.56 | Dantonic | ls: /dev/mmc2: No such file or directory |
| 11:56.08 | Dantonic | is it /media/mmc2? |
| 11:56.34 | Dantonic | ~ $ ls -a /media/mmc2 |
| 11:56.36 | johnx | yeah :) |
| 11:56.43 | johnx | <- tired |
| 11:56.45 | Dantonic | . .. .swap |
| 11:56.52 | johnx | yup |
| 11:57.06 | johnx | sooo...which file do you think is your swap file? :) |
| 11:57.12 | Dantonic | i hate that i cant post multiple lines in xchat! |
| 11:57.17 | Dantonic | lol |
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| 11:57.35 | johnx | anyways. glad that's working for you |
| 11:57.38 | johnx | really going to sleep now |
| 11:57.40 | Dantonic | idk it could be any of em! |
| 11:57.45 | Dantonic | ok me too |
| 11:57.48 | Dantonic | 4 am |
| 11:57.51 | Dantonic | ty |
| 11:58.08 | Dantonic | always helping me... much appreciated |
| 11:58.18 | johnx | no prob :) |
| 11:58.45 | VDVsx | moos and says good morning Maemo :D |
| 11:58.46 | Dantonic | sorry bout all the questions it helps me understand |
| 11:59.01 | Dantonic | okk goodnight |
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| 12:09.34 | RST38h | Heya VDVsx |
| 12:10.18 | RST38h | Anyone knows why fmradio package is 6.6MB in size? |
| 12:10.45 | VDVsx | bunch of python stuff ? |
| 12:11.17 | VDVsx | at least it's optified, I remember checking ;) |
| 12:11.52 | `0660 | there are millions of lines of code in it? :P |
| 12:12.05 | RST38h | But why do you need so much python just to show the dial? |
| 12:12.25 | RST38h | senses conspiracy ) |
| 12:12.40 | `0660 | custom graphics? |
| 12:12.56 | `0660 | which are uncompressed |
| 12:13.03 | VDVsx | RST38h, where did you saw the size HAM ? |
| 12:13.33 | RST38h | VDVsx: Yep |
| 12:15.03 | VDVsx | RST38h, the app has ~100kb |
| 12:15.14 | VDVsx | depends on:n900-fmrx-enabler (>= 1.2), python2.5, python-gtk2, python-gobject, python-osso, python-hildon, python-dbus, python-gst0.10 |
| 12:15.33 | RST38h | So it pulled up the whole python? |
| 12:15.42 | VDVsx | probably, ehehe |
| 12:15.46 | RST38h | wonders why he did not have python before =) |
| 12:16.12 | RST38h | VDVsx: Tried N900 Canola BTW? Any good? |
| 12:16.14 | RST38h | Optified? |
| 12:16.20 | VDVsx | RST38h, nop |
| 12:16.26 | VDVsx | didn't tried yet |
| 12:16.35 | VDVsx | it some issues, afaik |
| 12:16.42 | VDVsx | *it has some issues |
| 12:17.39 | VDVsx | ponders if should visit tmo or not :P |
| 12:18.47 | RST38h | nope, nothing interesting there |
| 12:18.52 | RST38h | check this instead: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2009/11/07/n900-battery-duration-ogg-vs-mp3/ |
| 12:19.24 | RST38h | Also, there is a funny Android presentation on the Planet, basically shows that Android is badly broken |
| 12:20.18 | VDVsx | RST38h, yet, I saw this slides on planet Openmoko a couple of days ago ;) |
| 12:20.40 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 12:21.00 | RST38h | OpenMoko guys can use something to gloat at =) |
| 12:21.26 | thux | does android run on n900 too? |
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| 12:22.27 | RST38h | not yet |
| 12:23.27 | thux | ok |
| 12:24.46 | Termana | Arrggg I've become so used to the touchscreen on my N810, I just tried to touch the (non-touchscreen) screen on my laptop :\ |
| 12:24.50 | lardman | bbl |
| 12:24.54 | Flandry | ha |
| 12:24.57 | Flandry | i've done that |
| 12:28.57 | VDVsx | Termana, will be worst with the N900, you will try to close dialogs/windows in your pc clicking in the empty space instead of the close/cancel button :P |
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| 12:32.28 | Termana | VDVsx: lol, its good that I won't be able to get one. Though I assume it will work the same with Mer |
| 12:34.05 | VDVsx | Termana, last time I tried Mer, it had cancel buttons, but in the future probably ;) |
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| 12:46.23 | Macer | under extreme stress some types of octopuses will eat their own arms |
| 12:47.02 | thux | you mean arm cpus? |
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| 12:47.30 | Macer | buttermilk does not contain any butter |
| 12:47.30 | Macer | haha |
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| 12:48.44 | thux | arm seems funny word |
| 12:49.14 | thux | like 'brothers in arms' |
| 12:49.16 | Macer | in england the speaker of ther house is not allowed to speak |
| 12:49.24 | Macer | ther/the |
| 12:49.29 | Macer | wtf? :) those crazy english |
| 12:50.12 | RST38h | British |
| 12:50.54 | thux | native americans said that english men had two tongues or split tongue |
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| 12:51.46 | thux | always many meanings in every word |
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| 12:52.51 | Suurorca | I wonder if that was just a reaction to english generally being a very vague in meaning ;p |
| 12:53.02 | Suurorca | then again, probably not |
| 12:53.41 | wazd | wait, 18 hours of mp3 playing? O_o |
| 12:53.48 | thux | wonder is apache foundation native americans company :) |
| 12:54.05 | wazd | have I missed something? |
| 12:54.54 | Stskeeps | on n900? |
| 12:54.56 | Stskeeps | should be plausible |
| 12:55.11 | wazd | that's damn long lasting :) |
| 12:55.39 | wazd | what about a2dp? |
| 12:56.01 | Stskeeps | i use headphones mostly, they are quite good :P |
| 12:56.01 | wazd | I get about 3-4 hours with my old battery |
| 12:56.11 | Stskeeps | a2dp isnt very optimized on n8x0 |
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| 12:57.42 | thux | Stskeeps: what about mer, does it run on n900? |
| 12:58.07 | Suurorca | i wonder if that's in offline mode only |
| 12:58.33 | hrw|oedem | thux: no use of running mer on n900 I think |
| 12:58.47 | Stskeeps | thux: sure |
| 12:59.03 | Stskeeps | hrw|oedem: we aren't just a backport.. that most people would stick with maemo5 is a different thing |
| 12:59.22 | Macer | haha |
| 12:59.36 | thux | cool mer is ahead of android then |
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| 13:00.06 | hrw|oedem | Stskeeps: I think that better would be to fix maemo5 then build maemo5 components for mer |
| 13:00.30 | Macer | haha. i just argued with someone who said that coffee is colder than a room when left sitting there |
| 13:00.37 | Macer | i told him that violates the laws of thermodynamics |
| 13:00.54 | Stskeeps | Macer: this is what it's like discussing with luke-jr and similar personalities |
| 13:01.05 | Macer | haha |
| 13:01.06 | lbt | Macer which is colder, coffee added to milk or milk added to coffee? |
| 13:01.17 | Suurorca | :D |
| 13:01.18 | lbt | assuming all else is the same? |
| 13:01.29 | Macer | haha.. they are the same temperature :) |
| 13:01.33 | lbt | nope |
| 13:01.49 | lbt | coffee added to milk... surface area exposure during the pour |
| 13:02.19 | Macer | that would requier the temperature variables of both |
| 13:02.37 | lbt | nope, assuming all else the same... |
| 13:02.39 | lbt | heh |
| 13:02.50 | lbt | now ask if it's measurable.... probably not |
| 13:03.10 | Macer | eventually the energy would be transfered and the system woudl be constant |
| 13:03.24 | lbt | yep |
| 13:04.01 | lbt | now bring up the jet plane and the travelator-runway |
| 13:04.08 | Suurorca | did you bother taking into account the cup? =) |
| 13:04.20 | lbt | (assuming all else the same...) |
| 13:04.23 | Suurorca | ofc |
| 13:04.24 | Macer | Suurorca: the cup would also become a part of the energy transfer |
| 13:04.42 | Macer | in the end all energy is transfered to everything within the system |
| 13:05.00 | Macer | which is why absolute zero is impossible |
| 13:06.42 | Suurorca | actually If you count surface exposure during pouring, you'll also want to count for thermal conductivity of the cup |
| 13:06.52 | Suurorca | which matters on depending the surrounding temperature |
| 13:07.33 | Macer | the surrounding temperature is part of the system also |
| 13:07.43 | Suurorca | *sighs* |
| 13:07.46 | Macer | :) |
| 13:08.18 | Macer | it would require more energy to heat or cool the cup and even teh cooling would produce heat from the energy required in order to do so |
| 13:09.19 | Suurorca | let's just say that the observable temperature of the liquid in the cup at the moment of mixing will indeed be slightly less if you pour the coffee first ;D |
| 13:09.51 | Macer | the act of mixing adds energy to the liquid |
| 13:11.09 | Macer | so really the mixing creates energy which will increase the liquid to a negligible amount... the energy would then be spread throughout the entire system |
| 13:11.54 | Macer | either way. someone saying coffee sitting in a room is colder than the room is just wrong :) |
| 13:11.56 | SpeedEvil | The mixing adds energy - however this is probably counterbalanced by more efficiently bringing hot liquid to the surfaces rahter than the slightly cooler liquid normally adjacent. |
| 13:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Macer: actually - not. |
| 13:12.16 | SpeedEvil | Macer: If the room is under 100% relative humidity, they are quite correct |
| 13:12.33 | Macer | the humidity would be part of the system |
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| 13:13.15 | SpeedEvil | The water in the coffee evaporates, cooling the coffee, in a room of under 100% humidity |
| 13:13.27 | SpeedEvil | (with the coffee initially at the same temperature as the room) |
| 13:14.31 | Suurorca | Macer: : the question really is how you want to define your system |
| 13:14.37 | Termana | When you have nothing else to do, discuss weather coffee goes lower than room temperature or not |
| 13:15.34 | Macer | SpeedEvil: the transfering of energy would have to be from warmer to cooler. the evaporation of water is a phase of the water within the cup |
| 13:15.49 | Macer | so the evaporating water will simply become the same temperature as the system |
| 13:16.02 | SpeedEvil | Macer: The normal room is considerably larger than the cup. |
| 13:16.25 | Macer | if the cup is cooler than the system... then the cup will absorb energy from the surrounding system and find equilibrium |
| 13:16.52 | SpeedEvil | Macer: The coffee - once it equilibrates in temperature - continues have water evaporate from it at a rate more-or-less proportional to 100-relative-humidity in percent. |
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| 13:17.24 | SpeedEvil | This cools the cup somewhat - with the energy needed to evaporate the water coming from the thermal energy of the room. |
| 13:17.24 | Macer | which doesn't mean it is cooler. it only means that this evaporation requires more energy from the surrounding system in order to maintain the equilibrium |
| 13:17.39 | Macer | SpeedEvil: ah. |
| 13:17.44 | Macer | ok .. you are right. |
| 13:17.54 | SpeedEvil | In the short term - while the coffee cup has not dried out - and the room has not got to 100% humidity - the cup is cooler than the room. |
| 13:18.08 | LeoD | so i see that there already are lots of great apps and ports for maemo.. will those also work on the N900? |
| 13:18.25 | Macer | the energy requirement of the liquid during evaporation does indeed mean the cup would require energy from the system and be cooler |
| 13:18.36 | Macer | well.. my mistake :) |
| 13:18.38 | Stskeeps | LeoD: there's an effort to move much of it already |
| 13:18.46 | Stskeeps | fremantle introduced some UI changes so |
| 13:18.52 | LeoD | ah, ok |
| 13:18.58 | LeoD | great :) |
| 13:19.05 | Macer | Stskeeps: how goes mer? |
| 13:19.10 | Macer | 3D ui yet? |
| 13:19.10 | Suurorca | amazing... a physics argument where one side admints being wrong :o |
| 13:19.46 | Macer | Suurorca: hey. when you're wrong you're wrong :) |
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| 13:20.13 | Stskeeps | Macer: didn't you see meiz's TB video? |
| 13:20.20 | Macer | no? |
| 13:20.25 | Macer | i gave up on my TB haha |
| 13:20.33 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: give macer the url for your tb fremantle desktop video :P |
| 13:20.59 | Meizirkki | oki |
| 13:21.16 | Macer | now i am going to have to work up equations on a cup being in a room haha |
| 13:21.28 | Macer | puts on his neoprene gloves and white lab coat |
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| 13:21.43 | Suurorca | Macer: I tried to have such arguments back in my college days with people. For some reason it's usually impossible to make people admit they were wrong even if you manage to make them understand it ;D |
| 13:22.01 | Macer | Suurorca: that's everybody |
| 13:22.14 | Macer | haha. very rare that you will find someone to admit they were wrong in life |
| 13:22.17 | SpeedEvil | I hate people like that. I try my hardest to actually work out if I am wrong. |
| 13:22.43 | Macer | but SpeedEvil was right and i just simply didn't see it :) |
| 13:22.51 | SpeedEvil | And to not start out arguments where I might be too :) |
| 13:22.54 | Meizirkki | Macer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7KO9z0-kg |
| 13:23.05 | Macer | Meizirkki: ok .. let me check it out |
| 13:23.05 | Suurorca | And sorry for not exactly contributing anything useful to the previous one,my head aches too much to have a fast paced science argument in english ;( |
| 13:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Avoiding bullshit and thinking before you type can actually lead people to thinking you have a clue :) |
| 13:23.36 | Meizirkki | Macer, there's something wrong with the touch screen thought |
| 13:24.37 | Macer | you mean the fact you have to almost pound on it? |
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| 13:24.54 | Corsac | mhmh, std desktop in netbook mode and mer/fremantle in tablet mode would be nice |
| 13:25.14 | Meizirkki | Macer, yes |
| 13:25.35 | Macer | it isn't that there is something wrong with it. it's that the tech they used is a piece of shit |
| 13:25.44 | sgbirch | I understood that one huge advantage of the last update was that new updates would not have to be flashed. But there dont seem to be any new updates. Why? |
| 13:25.56 | Meizirkki | Macer, it's well calibrated tslib... |
| 13:26.04 | Meizirkki | the problem is in clutter |
| 13:26.12 | sgbirch | In fact .. I am amazed at how infrequently the n810 is updated |
| 13:26.24 | sgbirch | nice hw but old cold |
| 13:26.29 | Meizirkki | Macer, yes see at the beginning of the video the desktop menu doesn't even show up |
| 13:26.32 | sgbirch | scared the n900 will go the same way |
| 13:26.34 | Meizirkki | s/yes/see |
| 13:26.36 | Macer | i thought the problem was with the fact it is a pressurized touch screen |
| 13:27.06 | Meizirkki | Macer, no, it's clutter that fails.. |
| 13:27.20 | Macer | i thought tslib did a good job in aios |
| 13:27.36 | Macer | at the least it prevented the pointer from jumping all over the place |
| 13:27.46 | Meizirkki | Yes, same in Mer |
| 13:28.09 | Macer | i still hate the damn thing and regret buying it :) i was going to sell it to Stskeeps for 250 with the kb and shipping included if he wanted it |
| 13:28.12 | Macer | he might find a use for it |
| 13:28.39 | Macer | last time i ever buy anything from a start-up |
| 13:28.43 | Macer | or preordered |
| 13:28.51 | Meizirkki | I really like it :) |
| 13:29.04 | Macer | Meizirkki: hah... well. Stskeeps probably has the same mentality |
| 13:29.08 | Macer | the thing makes me disgusted :) |
| 13:29.27 | Macer | did they ever release aios 2009.10? |
| 13:29.31 | Macer | is going to assume no |
| 13:29.32 | Meizirkki | it's not for ppl expexting Apple quality products :P |
| 13:29.38 | Macer | i wasn't |
| 13:29.39 | Meizirkki | Macer, not yet |
| 13:29.45 | Macer | but i wasn't expecting it to be nearly as bad as it is :) |
| 13:29.55 | Macer | i mean cmon. the screen blanks on its own for no apparent reason |
| 13:29.58 | Macer | did you see my bug? |
| 13:30.03 | Meizirkki | Macer, no |
| 13:30.08 | Macer | gregoire says "i don't believe it is hardware or software" |
| 13:30.18 | Macer | uhm? |
| 13:30.19 | Meizirkki | and the screen blank happens on ly 1 or 2 times a day with ubuntu |
| 13:30.23 | Macer | gremlins? |
| 13:30.37 | Macer | i shook it around to make sure there weren't any cockroaches in it |
| 13:30.42 | Meizirkki | i guess it is the X driver |
| 13:30.55 | Macer | it happens more with mine.. sometimes it does it once a day sometimes ten times in an hour |
| 13:31.10 | Termana | I watched whoevers video that was. My god. Is that even USEABLE? |
| 13:31.17 | Meizirkki | It starts happening when the battery gets low here |
| 13:31.22 | Meizirkki | maybe |
| 13:31.29 | Meizirkki | just guessing |
| 13:31.30 | Macer | Meizirkki: it happens on mine when i am charging |
| 13:31.32 | Macer | haha |
| 13:31.41 | Suurorca | hmm. Maybe I should get in to the business of spirit healing ill-behaving devices. Sure seems to work well enough for people =) |
| 13:31.46 | Meizirkki | Termana, no it's not |
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| 13:32.14 | Macer | it was a good idea. but it is just a piece of crap :) |
| 13:32.22 | Macer | i should have just saved the money and gotten a beagleboard |
| 13:32.25 | Corsac | Macer: you are a piece of crap :) |
| 13:32.26 | Termana | But the original OS isn't useable either is it? |
| 13:32.35 | Macer | Corsac: don't get all frenchie on me :-P |
| 13:32.39 | Meizirkki | Termana, it is |
| 13:32.44 | Corsac | Macer: oh come on |
| 13:32.44 | Meizirkki | but i don't like it |
| 13:32.49 | Macer | i know it is hard to hear that a french product sucks.. but... :) |
| 13:32.51 | Meizirkki | i prefer Ubuntu + LXDE |
| 13:32.55 | Macer | the truth hurts sometimes haha |
| 13:33.02 | Meizirkki | Macer, LOL |
| 13:33.04 | Corsac | Macer: it's an us product, first |
| 13:33.11 | Corsac | Macer: then, please don't go on that way |
| 13:33.19 | Meizirkki | Macer, please go away :P |
| 13:33.19 | Macer | Corsac: :-) |
| 13:33.20 | Corsac | you keep saying it's crap, it's become a /little/ boring |
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| 13:33.31 | Corsac | sure it's nowhere near a finished product |
| 13:33.38 | Macer | Corsac: well... he asked |
| 13:33.40 | Corsac | but please, please, please |
| 13:33.46 | Corsac | stop fud'ing |
| 13:33.50 | Macer | Corsac: bought some AI stock? :) |
| 13:34.03 | Termana | Why is the TB unable to run Mer to any degree of goodness? |
| 13:34.15 | qwerty12_N900 | Macer: Don't surrender =) |
| 13:34.17 | Macer | Termana: naw. it could run mer pretty well |
| 13:34.21 | Corsac | because you don't want to get your hands dirty (which was the point, and still is) doesn't mean it's bad |
| 13:34.32 | Stskeeps | Termana: the drivers in use are a bit dubious on TB |
| 13:34.59 | Termana | Stskeeps - Is the Nokia N810 software rendering as bad as that? :P |
| 13:35.02 | Macer | Corsac: lol. i gave up when i realized the bitbaking instructions would not work for building the ai stuff :) |
| 13:35.12 | Corsac | Macer: it perfectly works for me |
| 13:35.18 | Macer | Corsac: really? what os? |
| 13:35.28 | Corsac | debian |
| 13:35.37 | Macer | i tried on debian and it seemed to fail |
| 13:35.42 | Corsac | you fail, that's all |
| 13:35.52 | Macer | Corsac: french lies! :) |
| 13:35.55 | Corsac | ok, stop |
| 13:35.56 | Stskeeps | Macer: did your kernel succeed? |
| 13:35.57 | Corsac | get lost |
| 13:36.02 | Corsac | I'm ignoring you |
| 13:36.03 | Macer | Stskeeps: no :( |
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| 13:36.22 | Macer | tried with the mer src from gitorious |
| 13:36.32 | Macer | kept giving me oddball ehci erros |
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| 13:37.01 | Macer | seemed to have gotten rather far. i tried to paste the errors in order to find out why .. i was building it natively on the tb |
| 13:37.19 | Macer | really just to see if i could get teh cpufreq stuff working and possibly pm |
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| 13:39.40 | Macer | :) |
| 13:39.48 | Macer | Corsac: ne peut pas prendre une plaisanterie ? |
| 13:41.26 | RST38h | Is 4.9-5.5MB/s the correct USB transfer speed when copying stuff to N900? |
| 13:41.31 | RST38h | Or am I missing something? |
| 13:41.55 | Macer | to an sd? |
| 13:42.11 | Macer | isn't a c6 sd max 6MB/s? |
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| 13:42.20 | Macer | or is that minimum ? |
| 13:42.50 | SpeedEvil | transfer speed is often sharply limited by SoC speeds. |
| 13:43.02 | RST38h | No, the internal 32GB storage |
| 13:43.03 | SpeedEvil | Many SoCs can't talk to SDs as fast as some things. |
| 13:43.18 | SpeedEvil | It could also of course be the raw speed. |
| 13:43.33 | Stskeeps | Macer: just grab the mer kernel source package and dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 13:44.36 | Macer | where is the mer kernel source package? |
| 13:44.51 | Macer | i thoughtt hat was what i downloaded from gitorious |
| 13:44.59 | Stskeeps | in OBS, and you have to use login |
| 13:45.06 | Macer | actually Stskeeps ... did you make any newer kernels for it? |
| 13:45.10 | Stskeeps | and i'm not going to hear you bitch about it |
| 13:45.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:45.14 | Macer | hahaha |
| 13:45.14 | Stskeeps | no |
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| 13:46.06 | Macer | Stskeeps: honestly. i'd love to but i'm done. if you want it for 250 with shipping let me know. i would rather sell it and make up the 1/3 of the n900 money ;) |
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| 13:47.04 | RST38h | Make Sts and johnx bid on it =) |
| 13:47.20 | Macer | half price seems fair |
| 13:48.23 | Macer | watch. i'm goign to send it to him and 3 weeks later i will see some video with him making it project hot holographic sex slaves by sliding your finger across the screen |
| 13:49.33 | esaym153 | does the n810 support 8bg sdhc cards? |
| 13:50.04 | RST38h | Macer: That would be lcuk probably =) |
| 13:50.20 | RST38h | Stskeeps most does the kernel stuff |
| 13:51.09 | Stskeeps | nah, middleware and base system |
| 13:51.40 | Stskeeps | Macer: means of payment if so? |
| 13:51.44 | Stskeeps | paypal? :P |
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| 13:54.40 | Meizirkki | esaym153, yes, it does |
| 13:55.33 | Macer | Stskeeps: sure. paypal will work. i'll msg you my paypal email address... |
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| 13:56.40 | Macer | i'm going to have to retrieve my paypal info :) it has been a while |
| 13:57.25 | Macer | woah. awesome. haha |
| 13:57.49 | Stskeeps | if it's ok, let me think for a day |
| 13:58.51 | Macer | oh. no problem. it's not like i'm trying to score some meth money ;) |
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| 13:59.11 | Macer | take your time. it's here if you want it. i'll give you dibs on it |
| 13:59.48 | Stskeeps | and it's both touchscreen part and keyboard part? |
| 13:59.48 | Macer | believe it or not. it's stashed away under my bed now because i don't even want to look at it |
| 13:59.52 | Macer | haha |
| 13:59.53 | Macer | yeah |
| 14:00.02 | Macer | the thing would have been pointless without the kb |
| 14:00.36 | Macer | you're a developer though.. you might have far better luck with it than i have |
| 14:01.17 | Stskeeps | how many inches were the screen again? |
| 14:01.31 | Macer | i want to say 9 |
| 14:01.58 | esaym153 | awesome |
| 14:02.03 | Macer | 8.9 |
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| 14:02.24 | Macer | http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/info.htm |
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| 14:29.45 | Macer | the screwdriver was invented before the screw |
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| 14:39.22 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at elaborationless "we're working on it"'s. |
| 14:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia's track record implementing stuff leads me not to trust them to do that on their own. <_< |
| 14:41.15 | t_s_o | hmm? |
| 14:41.42 | GeneralAntilles | Stuff like: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5431#c3 |
| 14:41.43 | povbot | Bug 5431: HildonTouchSelector: Can't jump to entries with keyboard (type ahead) |
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| 14:53.19 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia hasn't really justified having a "Trust us, we're working on it" attitude. |
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| 14:54.43 | Meizirkki | What's the correct apt repository line for fremantle free / non-free |
| 14:55.27 | Meizirkki | i got the nokia-binaries line by accepting the EULA but i can't get those free / nonfree conponents to work.. |
| 14:56.50 | Stskeeps | use the sdk ones |
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| 14:56.57 | Stskeeps | repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0 |
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| 14:58.05 | Meizirkki | deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free ? |
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| 15:01.44 | frals | doh, learning pygtk would be alot easier if pygtk.org would resolve |
| 15:02.23 | woglinde | frals learn pyqt |
| 15:02.54 | frals | guess i might as well do that |
| 15:04.14 | pupnik | why is python 15 MB? seems... big |
| 15:04.27 | woglinde | moo |
| 15:04.43 | pupnik | hopefully it can go in opt |
| 15:04.49 | pupnik | hi woglinde |
| 15:04.59 | Jaffa | Oh, that reminds me. Need to publish my Python optification results |
| 15:05.02 | pupnik | qtnx is close to awesome |
| 15:05.19 | woglinde | pupnik thanksks |
| 15:05.22 | Stskeeps | notes to self n900 upnp support is neat. |
| 15:05.30 | pupnik | i wouÃld like to bind a key or button to toggle pan-mode |
| 15:05.50 | pupnik | so i can get rid of scrollbars |
| 15:05.56 | woglinde | pupnik support softkeyboard I didnt achieve |
| 15:06.05 | pupnik | know what i mean woglinde |
| 15:06.06 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:06.15 | woglinde | pupnik yes |
| 15:06.17 | pupnik | ahh :/ |
| 15:06.25 | pupnik | good idea? |
| 15:06.29 | woglinde | strange is with raw x support it strts fullmode |
| 15:06.35 | woglinde | nope |
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| 15:06.44 | pupnik | ok |
| 15:07.18 | pupnik | raw x is bypassing gtk? |
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| 15:10.32 | woglinde | pupnik you can try out x2go |
| 15:10.54 | woglinde | theire client has some more features |
| 15:11.04 | woglinde | but you have to use theire server |
| 15:11.34 | pupnik | you might notice that some linux apps require 600pixels height, so investigating panning could be worthwhile |
| 15:11.43 | pupnik | ok, ty |
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| 15:13.40 | pupnik | maybe ctrl*dpad |
| 15:14.54 | pupnik | browsing via qtnx is very nice compared to n810 |
| 15:15.06 | woglinde | *g* |
| 15:15.15 | woglinde | even flash should work in lan |
| 15:16.42 | pupnik | are there foss clients for MS remote desktop? |
| 15:16.48 | pupnik | servers |
| 15:16.53 | Stskeeps | rdesktop |
| 15:16.55 | pupnik | no clients |
| 15:16.57 | pupnik | ok |
| 15:17.27 | pupnik | woulÃd rdesktop be a good candidate for tablets? |
| 15:17.57 | derf | Yes. |
| 15:18.03 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, I just wish I didn't have to keep reconnecting to WiFi to get my UPnP shares back. |
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| 15:29.19 | Jaffa | Anyone heard of Python app installation issues on 2.2009.45-14? |
| 15:31.03 | Jaffa | Ah, internal Nokia. |
| 15:31.05 | Jaffa | Bah. |
| 15:34.12 | RST38h | 45-14 is soooo internal |
| 15:38.13 | Jaffa | I thought I saw a ref to an updated firmware available. It was on Twitter though, so don't hold much truck with it. |
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| 15:45.28 | SpeedEvil | http://twitter.com/big_ben_clock - best twitter ever. |
| 15:47.14 | RST38h | Jaffa: available where though? |
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| 16:01.38 | VDVsx | Jaffa, where did you heard that ? :P |
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| 16:10.35 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Someone on Twitter. I ignored it. |
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| 16:11.40 | VDVsx | Jaffa, he can be right ;) |
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| 16:15.00 | RST38h | Well, there is no doubt that 45-xx is "available". The question is to whom it is available. |
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| 16:16.15 | ceda | Hi, I'd like to popup a TouchSelectorEntry from an option in a AppMenu - in other words: I don't have a PickerButton and I can't find out how to connect to the Done button's signal |
| 16:16.53 | ceda | I'm using python |
| 16:17.38 | ceda | on, and I can trigger a segfault (using scratchbox) |
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| 16:23.45 | Jaffa | RST38h: Indeed. |
| 16:23.56 | Jaffa | Hmmm, tablet-encode doing a 720p video to 800x480 looks damned good on the N900 :) |
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| 16:30.22 | pupnik | :) |
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| 16:49.19 | t_s_o | crap, seems the center dpad have gone unresponsive... |
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| 16:52.23 | t_s_o | seems it was a software issue, as yanking the battery (it was in locked mode) fixed the problem... |
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| 17:03.10 | Flandry | any way to get packages removed from extras-devel? |
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| 17:14.55 | Jaffa | Flandry: ask on maemo-developers, ask X-Fade (on holiday), ask jeremiah |
| 17:18.46 | Jaffa | thp: Vala 0.7.8 with Fremantle Hildon patches now on its way to autobuilder. |
| 17:19.06 | Stskeeps | hm, would it be possible to make statusbar items with vala? |
| 17:19.19 | Stskeeps | (libhildondesktop) |
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| 17:22.29 | Tester | How can I find out who uploaded a package to extras-devel ? |
| 17:22.51 | woglinde | tester hm I think you cannt see this |
| 17:23.04 | woglinde | only server admins |
| 17:23.07 | Tester | arg |
| 17:23.15 | Tester | I'm not certain who to report avahi-daemon problems to |
| 17:23.46 | Tester | packaging problem |
| 17:25.29 | Jaffa | Tester: What's the package? |
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| 17:25.34 | Jaffa | Oh, avahi-daemon |
| 17:26.46 | woglinde | hm maybee the uploader policy shoul be forced |
| 17:27.01 | woglinde | deb format has a uploader field |
| 17:27.13 | Jaffa | Tester: No maintainers listed on http://maemo.org/packages/ and no build log on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ either |
| 17:27.14 | woglinde | so at least in the source package its shown |
| 17:27.17 | RST38h | deb format has maintainer |
| 17:27.23 | RST38h | that is usually enough |
| 17:27.26 | woglinde | rst nope |
| 17:27.42 | woglinde | rst when a debian package is just good eniugh |
| 17:27.44 | Tester | RST38h: in this case, the maintainer is "debian team" |
| 17:27.47 | woglinde | i dont have to change it |
| 17:27.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Tester: What version of Maemo? |
| 17:27.55 | Tester | qwerty12_N900: fremantle |
| 17:28.01 | RST38h | Hmm |
| 17:28.25 | woglinde | rst thats why there is a uploader field too |
| 17:28.36 | woglinde | that would perfectly fit in this case |
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| 17:30.03 | qwerty12_N900 | Tester: It was uploaded by "jhs_s". No idea where he can be found... |
| 17:30.25 | woglinde | qwerty where is this shown? |
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| 17:30.53 | hrw|oedem | so extras allows uploads without email addrfess? |
| 17:31.00 | Tester | ah I know him ;) |
| 17:31.00 | hrw|oedem | address |
| 17:31.33 | qwerty12_N900 | woglinde: The logs for the Fremantle builder |
| 17:31.47 | woglinde | qwerty hm |
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| 17:33.37 | Tester | alright, I found him ;) |
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| 17:36.17 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: Hmm, why didn't I see it? |
| 17:37.00 | qwerty12_N900 | Jaffa: There's an old/ folder, too |
| 17:37.08 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: Ah. Ta. |
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| 17:37.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Evening, crashanddie. Good trip? |
| 17:37.57 | hrw|oedem | bye |
| 17:39.05 | crashanddie | yo qwerty12_N900 |
| 17:39.14 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N900, yeah, pretty good, actually, amazing |
| 17:39.17 | crashanddie | I so want to move there |
| 17:39.46 | crashanddie | I had to do this presentation about Maemo and the N900 to a few execs |
| 17:39.57 | crashanddie | like an idiot... I forgot my N900 here in the UK |
| 17:40.07 | woglinde | *g* |
| 17:40.41 | crashanddie | anyway, I managed to get another one from a Nokia R&D in MV |
| 17:41.02 | woglinde | MV? |
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| 17:41.06 | crashanddie | mountain view |
| 17:41.47 | qwerty12_N900 | is tempted to smash this N900 against a wall. It fails in one area my N810 does well - playing nice with my el shitty router |
| 17:42.14 | pupnik | that is unusual |
| 17:42.23 | crashanddie | actually, I quite like the performance of the wifi on the N900 |
| 17:42.31 | pupnik | seemed fine here |
| 17:42.33 | crashanddie | I get a lot more signal in places my laptops don't even see the networks anymore |
| 17:44.05 | RST38h | qwerty: what is the exact problem? |
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| 17:46.13 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Refuses to communicate with the outside world. It says it's still connected, but it doesn't actually let me go on anything and IRC stops "updating". Wi-Fi PSM turned off and it's been pinging Google in the background... Didn't do much good, however, as you just saw |
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| 17:46.34 | qwerty12_N900 | So I have to switch between Offline mode and Normal mode and reconnect |
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| 17:49.44 | qwerty12_N900 | That's one pissed coyote |
| 17:50.00 | woglinde | hihiä |
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| 17:53.13 | RST38h | qwerty: Maybe replace the router? |
| 17:53.39 | RST38h | But, wait, are we talking of connecting to the tablet from the outside or about connecting from the tablet TO the outside? |
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| 17:54.57 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Doesn't matter: both fail, anyway. But, yeah, getting a new router would be best |
| 17:55.24 | Stskeeps | put up a paypal fund? :P |
| 17:55.43 | qwerty12_N900 | lol |
| 17:56.13 | Stskeeps | (i'd donate.) |
| 17:56.34 | SpeedEvil | I'll donate a router, if you collect. (and help moving some wood) |
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| 17:57.22 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Well, thanks, but I have nothing that is donation-worthy, so... :) |
| 17:57.31 | Stskeeps | rootsh? ;p |
| 17:58.07 | qwerty12_N900 | SpeedEvil: Eeek... I have a feeling that you would be demanding money from me after the damage I caused... |
| 17:58.36 | Flandry | wtf is up with scratchbox that it keeps failing to be able to resolve the repo |
| 17:58.41 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Merger of easyroot and rootsh |
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| 17:59.55 | SpeedEvil | chinese and beansprout pan |
| 17:59.57 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:00.15 | Stskeeps | should try to compile latest maemo-mapper |
| 18:00.53 | Flandry | is there supposed to be an /etc/hosts file in scratchbox? |
| 18:01.10 | RST38h | considers filing a bug for the missing description item in HildonCheckBox |
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| 18:01.21 | RST38h | The UX guy's explanation sounded really cheesy =( |
| 18:02.03 | suihkulokki | where? |
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| 18:02.42 | RST38h | suihkulokki: a moment |
| 18:03.37 | RST38h | suihkulokki: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg20576.html |
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| 18:04.17 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Sounds futile. Just steal ConboyCheckButton from Conboy's sources :-) |
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| 18:05.19 | RST38h | qwerty: I really think this should be present by default |
| 18:05.40 | RST38h | qwerty: Will have to check if S60's Avkon supports it |
| 18:06.13 | qwerty12_N900 | nods |
| 18:06.53 | Flandry | someone please check /etc/hosts from scratchbox |
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| 18:17.30 | Flandry | i have exactly the same /etc/resolv.conf file on the box OS and in scratchbox. I can ping repository.maemo.org from the OS but from with scratchbox it won't resolve the domain name. Any ideas? |
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| 18:21.41 | igagis | Hi All |
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| 18:22.10 | igagis | I'm still having problem installing maemo-cplusplus-env in FREMANTLE_X86 |
| 18:22.24 | igagis | apt-get update fails with GPG error |
| 18:22.54 | igagis | don't know how to resolve this |
| 18:23.37 | igagis | any suggestions? |
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| 18:25.28 | igagis | is it possible to submit a bug against repo somewhere? in some bug tracker? |
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| 18:26.31 | qwerty12_N900 | igagis: GPG has encountered an error, yes, but apt will go on, as referenced by the "W(arning):" just before that message |
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| 18:26.53 | igagis | qwerty12_N900: it does not go on in my case |
| 18:26.57 | kami | hi @ll |
| 18:27.00 | igagis | qwerty12_N900: it stops working |
| 18:28.01 | igagis | qwerty12_N900: have a look: http://pastebin.org/47628 |
| 18:28.23 | qwerty12_N900 | What exactly is not working? Have you actually tried installing something after updating? :) |
| 18:28.44 | igagis | qwerty12_N900: yes, please have alook at the pastebin link above |
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| 18:29.45 | mikkov__ | igagis: did you do apt-get -f install ? |
| 18:29.59 | igagis | mikkov__: no, I did not |
| 18:30.19 | igagis | mikkov__: I can try that but not sure it will resolve the problem |
| 18:30.56 | igagis | mikkov__: as I understand it will force installing some packages without resolving dependencies for them, right? |
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| 18:31.55 | mikkov__ | igagis: I get the same GPG warning |
| 18:32.47 | igagis | mikkov__: you have extras-devel in sources.list as I do? |
| 18:33.08 | mikkov__ | igagis: yes |
| 18:33.24 | mikkov__ | igagis: try the -f install |
| 18:33.26 | igagis | mikkov__: so, are you able to install maemo-cplusplus-env? |
| 18:33.33 | mikkov__ | igagis: yes |
| 18:33.37 | igagis | mikkov__: ok, will try that |
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| 18:35.55 | RST38h | "Well, thank god we can at least repair the damn thing if we damage itassuming we can find what's broken in it. Hell, maybe it's already broken" |
| 18:36.11 | RST38h | Why do I feel like it is written about Maemo? |
| 18:39.41 | igagis | mikkov__: with -f install I was able installing it. Thanks |
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| 19:31.02 | BBNS | ahh why Fennec isn't optified ... |
| 19:32.36 | GeneralAntilles | BBNS, they're working on it, apparently. |
| 19:32.52 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, UX guys always have terrible answers. |
| 19:34.35 | GeneralAntilles | I like that they try to justify Android's screwedupedness by saying it's to fit it into phones. |
| 19:34.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:34.51 | GeneralAntilles | 770 has less horsepower than any Android phone and managed it. |
| 19:35.15 | derf | One word: Java. |
| 19:35.59 | Suurorca | hmmh |
| 19:36.27 | Suurorca | what exactly is involved in optifying? I kinda imagined simple --prefix at compile would do it |
| 19:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | feels at least a little justified in his views based on the number of Android people at FLS who instantly jumped ship. |
| 19:36.36 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, welcome back. |
| 19:36.53 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, thanks |
| 19:37.01 | crashanddie | you guys want to know the irony? |
| 19:37.11 | crashanddie | I've done my maemo presentation and shit |
| 19:37.36 | crashanddie | and basically the response was "Well, it's good you have mobile experience, fancy working on android?" |
| 19:37.46 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 19:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the technical arguments don't hold much sway with non-technical folks. |
| 19:38.09 | BBNS | GeneralAntilles: thanks =) good to hear. |
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| 19:38.11 | GeneralAntilles | All they see are sales numbers. |
| 19:38.26 | derf | It works that way for customers, too. |
| 19:38.35 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 19:38.47 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, this was for, amongst others, the CTO and VP is products |
| 19:39.19 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe they'll change their mind once the platform gets some traction in the retail space. |
| 19:39.25 | crashanddie | indeed |
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| 19:39.55 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, from a business perspective they're making the right choice. |
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| 19:41.57 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, by the way, how in the world did you manage to leave your N900 on the wrong side of the ocean? . . . |
| 19:42.06 | GeneralAntilles | I can hardly walk the house without having mine with me |
| 19:42.15 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, taxi was waiting outside |
| 19:42.40 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 19:42.54 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I ran out gave him my bags, went back up, checked if I had everything, thought "phones", padded my pockets, felt loads of stuff, and ran off |
| 19:43.09 | crashanddie | only when we were half-way through to the airport did I notice I only had the blackberry with me |
| 19:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | I'd probably remember this thing if /zombies/ were waiting outside. ;) |
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| 19:50.07 | konttori | oh, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875205178 |
| 19:51.21 | SpeedEvil | konttori: that offer has stupid restrictions. |
| 19:51.26 | SpeedEvil | konttori: (limit 20 per customer) |
| 19:52.03 | Corsac | hmhm, can n810 do video chats without skype? |
| 19:52.44 | derf | Haha. |
| 19:52.51 | derf | "First Maemo phone with Raw Computer Power" |
| 19:52.52 | Tester | Corsac: the n810 doesnt do skype video |
| 19:52.55 | derf | WTF does that even mean? |
| 19:52.58 | Tester | Corsac: only xmpp and sip |
| 19:53.06 | Tester | there is no mobile device that does skype video |
| 19:53.18 | Corsac | Tester: hmmh, but it has a video, hasn't it? |
| 19:53.23 | Tester | it does |
| 19:53.26 | Tester | for sipp and xmpp |
| 19:53.29 | Tester | sip |
| 19:54.29 | Corsac | hmh ok |
| 19:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | derf, dunno, it makes no sense. |
| 19:56.28 | GeneralAntilles | Since it's the first Maemo phone period. |
| 19:56.47 | derf | I love marketers. |
| 19:56.48 | GeneralAntilles | I like how one of the bundle offers is the AC-8U. |
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| 20:03.19 | konttori | was looking at date, which is different from the previous statement on 16th |
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| 20:04.23 | pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: the charger? |
| 20:04.50 | pwnguin | i was looking at the newegg for n900, and one of thier "frequently bought with" items was a wall plug |
| 20:06.27 | dreamer_ | am I correct that maemo is full glibc not uclibc? |
| 20:08.04 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, N900 uses AC-10U. |
| 20:08.08 | pwnguin | heh |
| 20:08.10 | pwnguin | even better |
| 20:08.12 | GeneralAntilles | dreamer_, right. |
| 20:08.48 | dreamer_ | GeneralAntilles: thanks |
| 20:08.58 | pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: it comes with one right? |
| 20:09.19 | dreamer_ | are there any docs no rebuilding the kernel for the n900, and flashing procedures? |
| 20:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, lol, of course. |
| 20:09.59 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 20:10.00 | infobot | flasher is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 20:10.00 | pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: i just dont get why people would buy them together then |
| 20:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, I like having more than one charger. |
| 20:10.18 | pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: yea, but its usb |
| 20:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | One at my desk, one on my nightstand, one at my parent's house and one at work. |
| 20:10.32 | GeneralAntilles | USB is SLOOOOW |
| 20:10.33 | pwnguin | my clock has USB |
| 20:10.50 | pwnguin | slow at charging? |
| 20:11.19 | GeneralAntilles | USB provides about 500mA |
| 20:11.27 | GeneralAntilles | The AC-10U provides 1200mA |
| 20:11.32 | pwnguin | interesting |
| 20:11.41 | GeneralAntilles | So USB charging is really goddamn slow. |
| 20:11.47 | GeneralAntilles | Especially if you're doing anything with the device. |
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| 20:11.54 | pwnguin | i didnt realize their charger exceeded usb specs |
| 20:12.02 | pwnguin | note to self: dont charge anything else with it |
| 20:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | Most USB chargers do. |
| 20:12.07 | GeneralAntilles | 500mA isn't much. |
| 20:12.15 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, 1200mA is an indication of capacity. |
| 20:12.21 | GeneralAntilles | Voltage is what you want to worry about |
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| 20:12.27 | pwnguin | mAh is capacity |
| 20:12.34 | GeneralAntilles | and, assuming nobody's being evil, USB is USB in that case. |
| 20:12.38 | GeneralAntilles | For batteries. |
| 20:13.08 | pwnguin | electricity is hard. lets go shopping! |
| 20:13.18 | GeneralAntilles | When a charger is rated for a certain number of amps, that tells you how much power it's CAPABLE of putting out |
| 20:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | Not how hard it's going to cook anything that needs less. |
| 20:13.39 | GeneralAntilles | Voltage is the indicator for that. |
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| 20:14.23 | pwnguin | still, i dont need a charger for the car, it already has a USB plug |
| 20:14.40 | pwnguin | i wonder what its specs are now |
| 20:15.22 | pwnguin | GeneralAntilles: can you push more than 500 mA through USB wire, or is it a fire hazard? |
| 20:15.37 | GAN900 | Usually car chargers are in the 300-800mA range. |
| 20:15.44 | GAN900 | Depending on the charger. |
| 20:15.52 | pwnguin | its literally built into the car |
| 20:15.55 | GAN900 | pwnguin, you can |
| 20:16.23 | GAN900 | and I believe devices may be able to negotiate for more than 500mA in certain cases. |
| 20:16.24 | pwnguin | right next to the audio jack and a spare cigarete lighter plug |
| 20:16.35 | GAN900 | pwnguin, your manual may say. |
| 20:16.41 | pwnguin | perhaps |
| 20:17.03 | pwnguin | but im guessing i'll have to hit the library up for the specifics, personally |
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| 20:19.01 | lardman | evening all |
| 20:19.42 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, lardman. |
| 20:19.57 | lardman | hi GeneralAntilles |
| 20:24.14 | konttori | afaik, n900 has trouble working with non-nokia chargers that are claiming to be mass storage profile instead of charger profile. |
| 20:24.40 | konttori | as n900 will try to handshake those and won't charge until handshake is complete. |
| 20:25.25 | Moo___ | konttori: well doesn't sthat sound like a resonable behavior? :) |
| 20:25.48 | doc|home | why would a charger pretend to be mass storage? |
| 20:25.58 | konttori | well, yeah, but for some reason many devices are not working like that |
| 20:26.15 | konttori | apparently many pretend mass transfer for nintendo ds support |
| 20:26.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, USB. |
| 20:26.58 | GeneralAntilles | Who would've guessed it'd suck? :roll: |
| 20:27.33 | Moo___ | konttori: many *chinese* devices? :) |
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| 20:28.45 | konttori | lol, well, they were not cream of the crop devices |
| 20:29.03 | konttori | but yeah, if I had bought one and it didn't work, I'd be pissed. |
| 20:29.16 | ShadowJK | The problem with usb charging is that there's a zillion random methods and practices used before it was standardized |
| 20:29.22 | konttori | of course, the reason is mostly the sucky spec |
| 20:29.32 | ShadowJK | that too :) |
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| 20:33.15 | pwnguin | konttori: did the DSi go to microUSB for charging? |
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| 20:33.27 | dreamer_ | if the prefered root device is set to mmc and the mmc card isn't bootable will it still try and boot off internal flash? |
| 20:33.38 | GeneralAntilles | pwnguin, the port isn't MicroUSB as far as I can tell. |
| 20:33.54 | konttori | pwnguin: dunno |
| 20:34.08 | GeneralAntilles | dreamer_, yes. |
| 20:34.26 | pwnguin | if its not microUSB i dont understand the statemetn about mass storage profile for nds support |
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| 20:35.51 | ian_r | konttori: i can't seem to build a .deb with theme maker. on os x it stalls at 1%, and on ubuntu it builds the theme directory but no deb. |
| 20:36.03 | ShadowJK | One "charging chip", random plugs on the end, in random form factors and fits by random companies? |
| 20:36.03 | ian_r | hi all, btw |
| 20:36.29 | konttori | ian_r DId it build all the image files? |
| 20:36.35 | konttori | you use 1.2.4? |
| 20:36.39 | ian_r | yep |
| 20:36.50 | konttori | (yep for both?) |
| 20:36.57 | ian_r | yeah |
| 20:37.08 | konttori | you need to click the build debian |
| 20:37.43 | konttori | eh, make debian |
| 20:37.55 | konttori | that will create <theme>_all.deb |
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| 20:41.15 | ian_r | lol that was an obvious fix. i thought i had tried that, but i guess only on the mac. |
| 20:41.16 | ian_r | thanks |
| 20:41.43 | ian_r | any idea why it's not working on os x? |
| 20:46.27 | ian_r | konttori, any info about when a fremantle-compatible version of hildon-theme-tools might be released? |
| 20:46.51 | konttori | ian_r: sorry, what is not working on mac? |
| 20:47.04 | konttori | ian_r: the theme tools should all be out already |
| 20:47.13 | konttori | afaik |
| 20:47.16 | ian_r | TM stalls at 1% everytime i try to build |
| 20:47.22 | ian_r | on the mac |
| 20:47.36 | konttori | hmm... strange. |
| 20:47.49 | konttori | especially considering that's where I dev and test |
| 20:48.26 | Stskeeps | konttori: sure? |
| 20:48.29 | Stskeeps | (re theme tools) |
| 20:48.39 | Stskeeps | checks |
| 20:48.46 | konttori | hmm... if you use the linux shellscript to open theme maker in mac, will it work then? |
| 20:49.08 | ian_r | i'll try that |
| 20:49.10 | konttori | Stskeeps: it might be that the template is missing |
| 20:49.42 | ian_r | yeah the latest version i see was updated 5 months ago, and i don't think it has the fremantle layout |
| 20:50.20 | Stskeeps | konttori: yeah.. waiting for hildon-theme-layout-5 and hildon-theme-tools .. not sure they are on gitorious or SDK repo, couldn't find them at last glance |
| 20:50.26 | Stskeeps | template can wait till after sales release :P |
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| 20:51.14 | konttori | Stskeeps: we'll publish some variant template base afaik |
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| 20:51.44 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 20:51.59 | Stskeeps | we're using output from TM right now in mer, it works :P |
| 20:53.30 | zerojay | Heh.. nice seeing Jussi demoing the N900 at the Helsinki meetup with one of my Mario wallpapers. ;P |
| 20:54.01 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Might need to change my mask for the cloak now that I've moved. |
| 20:54.30 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, it doesn't matter what your hostmask is. |
| 20:54.33 | GeneralAntilles | It's based on NickServ. |
| 20:55.01 | zerojay | Ah, cool. |
| 20:55.04 | Moo___ | is n900 currently capable of playing 480p h264? |
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| 20:55.18 | Moo___ | or is it possible even in theory? |
| 20:56.27 | ShadowJK | 480p? yes |
| 20:57.02 | ShadowJK | iirc a test 640x480 video I made played fine on someone's n900 |
| 20:57.16 | Moo___ | going to give it a shot |
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| 20:58.21 | ian_r | konttori: TM on OS X does build the theme directory when launched with the linux shell script, but no .deb even after hitting Make Debian |
| 20:58.59 | Moo___ | d'oh mkv container |
| 20:59.17 | konttori | you need to have the dpkg-deb in the same folder where theme maker is |
| 20:59.22 | ian_r | i do |
| 20:59.42 | ian_r | it's 1.2.4, so dpkg-deb was included |
| 20:59.47 | konttori | execute permission? |
| 21:00.01 | ian_r | yeah |
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| 21:08.50 | lardman | wa-hey, just built an mbarcode deb |
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| 21:11.40 | lardman | searches for the correct AWS to provide item data |
| 21:13.33 | lardman | hmm, I don't see the Product Advertising API any more |
| 21:15.39 | dreamer_ | what package can I find the .config from the kernel in? |
| 21:15.52 | lardman | should be in the kernel source |
| 21:17.10 | lardman | defconfig.something |
| 21:19.16 | dreamer_ | lardman: I'm looking in the kernel source tar from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel/ and don't see anything that strikes me as the n900's config |
| 21:19.55 | dreamer_ | kernel-2.6.28/arch/arm/configs |
| 21:20.15 | dreamer_ | there is an n800 config |
| 21:20.18 | dreamer_ | no n900 though |
| 21:20.28 | dreamer_ | rx51? |
| 21:20.43 | lardman | yeah, rx51 is N900 |
| 21:21.07 | dreamer_ | any clue what rx71 is? |
| 21:21.12 | dreamer_ | ;) |
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| 21:21.29 | lardman | some yet-to-arrive device |
| 21:22.17 | dreamer_ | thanks for the help :) |
| 21:22.38 | lardman | np, I didn't do much anyway ;) |
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| 21:47.32 | wazd | just saw the first impressive thing made by apple for me |
| 21:48.11 | wazd | macbook pro power indicator, wonder how it's done |
| 21:48.11 | Stskeeps | iAK-47? |
| 21:48.24 | Stskeeps | in terms of? |
| 21:48.31 | wazd | it disappears when it's not active |
| 21:48.55 | wazd | and it's made in aluminium casing |
| 21:49.08 | pwnguin | your charger disappears? |
| 21:49.16 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0fe800C2CU |
| 21:49.21 | wazd | 4:50 |
| 21:49.42 | wazd | I was like "w00t?!" |
| 21:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, plastic. ;) |
| 21:50.53 | pwnguin | ... |
| 21:51.00 | pwnguin | its a light that turns off |
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| 21:51.05 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: that front is plastic? |
| 21:51.20 | pwnguin | apple did not invent transparent aluminum |
| 21:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, just that section, probably. |
| 21:51.49 | GeneralAntilles | really digs the Mac Pro. |
| 21:51.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's an absolute pleasure to work inside. |
| 21:52.10 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: no, can't see any borders |
| 21:52.33 | wazd | pwnguin: it's not just the light, it shines thru the case |
| 21:52.43 | pwnguin | wazd: just like it does on the imac |
| 21:52.45 | GeneralAntilles | still says plastic. |
| 21:52.58 | pwnguin | and on some other, non-apple devices |
| 21:53.05 | wazd | pwnguin: I don't know how it does on the iMac :) |
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| 21:53.27 | GeneralAntilles | So much Mozilla spam on Planet. |
| 21:53.30 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, maybe the whole front frame is plastic |
| 21:53.33 | GeneralAntilles | p.m.o really is accurate. <_< |
| 21:53.58 | wazd | anyway, that's impressing :) |
| 21:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | is somewhat jaded about Apple hardware. |
| 21:56.03 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't been particularly impressed with the durability of their laptops over the past 4/5 years. |
| 21:56.16 | GeneralAntilles | I think I was spoiled by the older Apple laptops. . . . |
| 21:56.37 | wazd | but that light still can't stand against shiny iPod backs |
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| 21:57.02 | wazd | Ive's still going to hell :D |
| 21:57.29 | ShadowJK | wants a booklet :( |
| 21:57.51 | ShadowJK | actually, I'd want a laptop with dual ethernet |
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| 21:58.00 | ShadowJK | that runs linux |
| 21:58.11 | wazd | and ponies :) |
| 21:58.19 | ShadowJK | bonus points if it has fibre optic ports |
| 21:58.33 | ShadowJK | was trying to troubleshoot vista failure today |
| 21:58.39 | ShadowJK | I'd needed such a beast |
| 21:59.45 | pupnik | and what is wron with a computer-first - phone-second device? |
| 22:00.43 | ShadowJK | indeed |
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| 22:01.31 | ShadowJK | especially since I use web, irc and media features more than sms and calls even on my symbian s60 phone |
| 22:01.56 | Stskeeps | sounds like a n900 is just for you |
| 22:01.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:02.34 | pupnik | precisement |
| 22:02.35 | dolphin | isn't that like eating with fork -- lift? |
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| 22:02.57 | pupnik | must eat food now, thankx |
| 22:03.25 | dolphin | get's the thing done, but impractical as hell for the task |
| 22:04.02 | GeneralAntilles | tries to clean up MS-generated HTML. |
| 22:09.37 | Stskeeps | tries out maemo-mapper clutter version |
| 22:11.19 | Stskeeps | right, crashes, good to know |
| 22:11.19 | Stskeeps | ;p |
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| 22:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | It's amazing the kind of shit Microsoft forces on people. |
| 22:11.39 | GeneralAntilles | Unreal |
| 22:11.56 | b-man17 | HATES Microsoft |
| 22:12.05 | GeneralAntilles | People call Apple bad, but at least they generate something that looks vaguely like HTML. |
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| 22:19.58 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: install Dreamweaver -> Clean up MS word HTML |
| 22:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, really? |
| 22:20.30 | GeneralAntilles | Nice. |
| 22:20.56 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: or just clean up html |
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| 22:21.07 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: removes some weird tags |
| 22:22.16 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://i001.radikal.ru/0911/ce/0e5ba5657133.png |
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| 22:23.37 | GeneralAntilles | smacks wazd for using Windows. |
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| 22:26.36 | jdm | i'm just starting out in maemo devt and working my way through the docs with the vmware appliance. one thing i'm stuck on is the application manager is completely empty - should it have a list of apps in it? |
| 22:27.04 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: best OS atm :P |
| 22:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, fail. |
| 22:27.33 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Please tell me that is not Vista? |
| 22:27.41 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: sure it is :) |
| 22:27.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Oh God |
| 22:28.25 | qwerty12_N900 | Ah well, I'd rather use that over OS X, at least |
| 22:29.07 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: that's the only OS that suits my needs :) |
| 22:29.31 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: I'm too lazy to install 7 |
| 22:30.04 | pwnguin | psh, install maemo x86! |
| 22:30.14 | wazd | caust then I'll need to find and arrange tons of work files on the HDD |
| 22:30.35 | wazd | and they are really everywhere :D |
| 22:30.38 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Hehe. I tried Vista but its slew of problems made me reinstall XP. Can't even be arsed to pirate 7 because Vista destroyed my faith in MS... |
| 22:30.59 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: you've pirated wrong vista maybe |
| 22:31.17 | dmj7261 | windows 7 is just a fixed up version of vista |
| 22:31.26 | wazd | qwerty12_N900: I just caught a single BSOD in almost a year, after installing SP2 |
| 22:31.38 | wazd | dmj7261: that's not true |
| 22:31.49 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Nope, this was legit, HP were offering it £10 |
| 22:31.55 | wazd | dmj7261: Vista SP2 is a fixed version of Vista :) |
| 22:32.07 | dmj7261 | It's what MS should have been shipping 3 years ago. |
| 22:32.13 | pwnguin | wazd: actually, its pretty close. MS says anything that works with vista works with 7 |
| 22:32.28 | pwnguin | although, my vmware infra client doesnt work on 7 |
| 22:32.28 | wazd | pwnguin: is that bad? :D |
| 22:32.34 | dmj7261 | Under the hood it's almost the exact same thing as vista |
| 22:32.35 | pwnguin | wazd: it means they didnt change much |
| 22:32.53 | dmj7261 | ...big ui changes to look more like kde 4 though. |
| 22:32.55 | wazd | pwnguin: that doesn't mean that 7 = Vista |
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| 22:33.11 | lbt | is booking a flight ... they offer all kinds of meals. I think they should offer "last supper" as a trick to catch terrorists... |
| 22:33.15 | dmj7261 | not 7 = vista |
| 22:33.25 | dmj7261 | 7 ~ Vista |
| 22:33.27 | wazd | pwnguin: there's no API break maybe |
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| 22:35.29 | dmj7261 | can you capture at 24 fps on n900? |
| 22:35.47 | dmj7261 | I know it does 25, but is there an option for 24? |
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| 22:36.16 | wazd | don't want subliminal adds eh? :D |
| 22:36.23 | wazd | ads* |
| 22:36.51 | dmj7261 | just want a frame rate that's semi standard in the US. |
| 22:37.34 | dmj7261 | I'd love to have really smooth wvga at 30 fps, but 24 would be acceptable too. |
| 22:37.41 | dreamer_ | anyone know the machine type in arch/arm the N900 falls under? |
| 22:39.44 | Stskeeps | rx51 |
| 22:40.20 | luke-jr | dmj7261: neither 30 nor 24 are standard |
| 22:40.35 | dmj7261 | is there a way to set that? |
| 22:41.00 | luke-jr | what you really want is 23.976 |
| 22:41.09 | dmj7261 | is that supported? |
| 22:41.39 | dmj7261 | by 30 I do mean 29.97 or whatever it is. |
| 22:41.43 | GeneralAntilles | is going to try reading just Community/Maemo 6/General once a day. |
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| 22:52.09 | wazd | Moscow n900 meetup will use paper n900 mockups I think :D |
| 22:52.35 | qwerty12_N900 | AK-N900 |
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| 22:55.10 | wazd | AK-900 then :) |
| 22:55.49 | dreamer_ | can the 3.5mm jack on the n900 be changed to headset mode, 1mono in 1 mono out? |
| 22:56.02 | dreamer_ | or 1 mono in 1 stereo out? |
| 22:56.39 | wazd | It's funny to see what weird things people expect from n900 |
| 22:57.06 | wazd | when the iPhone came people were like "OMGITKALLZPONIES!" |
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| 22:59.04 | dreamer_ | wazd: I don't see that as strange, normal audio chipsets with limited inputs allow for dynamic use of them, and seeing how it can be configured for stereo out + video out, that doesn't seem too far out of line |
| 22:59.52 | wazd | dreamer_: no that's not about your particular case, just a thought |
| 23:00.15 | Stskeeps | dreamer_: n900 jack is multifunction, headset, tvout and stero out |
| 23:00.35 | dreamer_ | its the first phone that really has linux on it, so anyone that doesn't see linux as just a buzzword, but knows what it means likes to get their hopes up ;) |
| 23:00.45 | dreamer_ | Stskeeps, thanks :) |
| 23:00.56 | dreamer_ | alsamixer can prob set its function then? |
| 23:01.14 | Stskeeps | no idea what devil stuff has been used this time around |
| 23:01.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 23:01.44 | dreamer_ | it is just gstreamer based, or is that tied into pulse as well? |
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| 23:03.08 | RST38h | heya wazd, all |
| 23:03.39 | RST38h | Anyone can tell me how I can make Maemo5 GtkDialog take given percentage of the screen? At the moment, it tries to become as small as possible |
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| 23:05.24 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer_: (first phone with linux) that's not entirely correct ;-) |
| 23:05.48 | johnx | dreamer_, check what kind of headset nokia ships with it. IIRC, it's headphones with an included mic |
| 23:06.13 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 23:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer_: for headset config see http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
| 23:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | and http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Mobile_Technologies/Connectivity_&_Interfaces/Wired_Interfaces/Nokia_AV_2.5mm_and_3.5mm_Connector.xhtml |
| 23:07.32 | dreamer_ | DocScrutinizer: the one produced by fic doesn't count, no hardware keyboard, and no x no real linux |
| 23:07.49 | DocScrutinizer | what's "no x" ? |
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| 23:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | and it's actualy NOT produced by FIC |
| 23:09.07 | DocScrutinizer | never was |
| 23:09.38 | johnx | I'm really sad the openmoko didn't get a little further :| |
| 23:09.48 | johnx | at the very least we can learn some lessons from them |
| 23:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure, but RIP |
| 23:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:09.58 | dreamer_ | sorry, don't know where my mind went while typing, I don't consider it real linux without x |
| 23:10.01 | DocScrutinizer | you bet |
| 23:10.16 | johnx | dreamer_, it has X11... (at least in one of the 6+ distros) |
| 23:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | do you mean X? |
| 23:10.34 | dreamer_ | yea, I kept waiting for them to release an openmoko handset with a hw keyboard, but that never happened |
| 23:10.37 | DocScrutinizer | I'd say in at least 3 |
| 23:11.08 | dreamer_ | x11 is part of a real linux distro, gui on framebuffer, or linux kernel + other stack != linux |
| 23:11.41 | johnx | have to disagree there. the zaurus was very linux-y and had qt on fb |
| 23:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer_: same here, but my colleagues and esp Sean wasn't very excited by the idea to have that much buttons in the phone ;-D |
| 23:11.59 | dreamer_ | zaurus had pdaxrom |
| 23:12.20 | johnx | yeah, had the same proliferation of distros the openmoko had |
| 23:12.29 | johnx | and they both sputtered out from lack of interest |
| 23:12.41 | johnx | correlation != causation and all, but it really makes me think |
| 23:12.54 | dreamer_ | imo sharp made bad choices not including wifi+bluetooth |
| 23:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer_: FR *is* a "real linux", with full size X |
| 23:13.48 | dreamer_ | full x, so normal apps can be rebuilt to run on the device |
| 23:14.19 | dreamer_ | I really hope the v6 device has hdmi out, and usb host |
| 23:14.35 | dreamer_ | so I can plug it into a keyboard/mouse/monitor and not have to worry about a laptop |
| 23:14.59 | dreamer_ | and higher res support on an external monitor |
| 23:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | v6 device? |
| 23:15.05 | johnx | dreamer_, sharp made some really horrible, totally anti-community choices repeatedly, but I think what really drove people away was the constant infighting between distros, and developers spread thin, working on too many incompatible projects |
| 23:15.26 | dreamer_ | the next device in the progression of nokia's ultimate mobile device |
| 23:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the flaw in hw for usb-host is a PITA |
| 23:15.54 | dreamer_ | johnx: sharp never had a good community around the zaurus line |
| 23:15.55 | johnx | dreamer_, well, it's still omap3, so look around for an omap3 chip that supports all that |
| 23:15.59 | dreamer_ | thats why nokia won |
| 23:16.33 | johnx | dreamer_, yeah, I think there's definitely something about cultivating a community, but I think there's also something about shipping a distro that at least 80% of people are happy with |
| 23:16.42 | johnx | especially one that hackers and non-hackers are happy with |
| 23:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't agree more |
| 23:17.20 | johnx | on zaurus, users were happy with sharpROM, but hackers weren't |
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| 23:17.35 | johnx | so sharpROM, even though it worked, didn't get the cool stuff |
| 23:17.53 | johnx | and hackers working on their own projects, didn't always go out of their way to make things "user friendly" |
| 23:17.55 | dreamer_ | hence a small dev community for normal users |
| 23:18.28 | johnx | exactly, with all the cool projects being on other "ROMs" |
| 23:18.45 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I think that's absolutely it. |
| 23:19.03 | johnx | which is why mer is compatible with maemo :) |
| 23:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | which is one of the really great things about N900 |
| 23:19.56 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, a community we hope to expand with mer, without fracturing it |
| 23:20.30 | dreamer_ | and a larger market for a paid app to be marketed to |
| 23:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | can't wait until it hits critical mass. |
| 23:20.48 | johnx | dreamer_, that'd be a neat side effect ;) |
| 23:21.12 | dreamer_ | anyone have an unofficial port of the stock kernel to a newer version? |
| 23:21.28 | johnx | dreamer_, on the n8x0 devices? |
| 23:21.31 | dreamer_ | n900 |
| 23:21.41 | dreamer_ | I want to apply one of the rt patches |
| 23:21.53 | dreamer_ | but I need a different minor version |
| 23:22.03 | johnx | I think on the omap3, we should be less locked into a specific version |
| 23:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, Ovi Store on Mer? |
| 23:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | Bizarre. |
| 23:22.22 | johnx | dreamer_, I'd have to wait until I could reflash before I start playing with that |
| 23:22.41 | dreamer_ | I've spent a few hours working on it today, but if someone already merged in the trouble spots i'd rather go from there |
| 23:22.53 | dreamer_ | I don't have one yet either, trying to get some of the boring work out of the way first |
| 23:22.59 | pwnguin | johnx: should get mer running on a OpenPandora |
| 23:23.01 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, dunno. in my case at least I'm not too worried about paid apps. They'll happen once there is money to be made, irregardless of DRM, and "stores" and other stuff like that |
| 23:23.03 | wazd | ok, gonna get some sleep, cya guys |
| 23:23.11 | dreamer_ | pwngin: did they even ship |
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| 23:23.24 | johnx | pwnguin, yes. so much yes. I had my order in 15 minutes after pre-orders started |
| 23:23.45 | pwnguin | dreamer_: i have no clue. i gave up on them, but if anyone wants to write software for it, it would be useful if it also ran on mer/maemo |
| 23:23.56 | johnx | dreamer_, are you looking at linux mainline or linux-omap? |
| 23:24.22 | johnx | dreamer_, no ship date yet, but there are pictures of the case mold (sp?) up |
| 23:24.29 | johnx | hang on, switching computers |
| 23:24.30 | dreamer_ | from what I've read mineline + rt patch should give sub msec results |
| 23:24.40 | dreamer_ | linux-omap didn't have much information on it from what I saw |
| 23:24.56 | dreamer_ | *mineline = mainline |
| 23:25.00 | lcuk | hey guys \o |
| 23:25.19 | kami | hi lcuk |
| 23:25.34 | pwnguin | johnx: frankly, most of what i see from their community is emulator ports. *yawn* |
| 23:26.17 | lcuk | pwnguin, what apps do you make then? |
| 23:26.17 | Termana | hopefully the ovi store doesn't end up like apple's app store - lots of useless apps from developers trying to grab a buck |
| 23:26.34 | lcuk | why is that a problem? |
| 23:26.44 | johnx | pwnguin, yeah, all well and good! there's room for lots of people in a community. there's also original games |
| 23:26.47 | lcuk | if people think they can make a useful app and their friends buy it, whos hurt |
| 23:27.21 | johnx | and what if we had a version of linux that ended up making the pandora community and the Nokia devices community into one big maemo/mer community? |
| 23:27.29 | pwnguin | lcuk: rigth now im working on improving my employer's website. |
| 23:27.41 | Termana | lcuk - people will make crap apps instead of quality apps |
| 23:27.42 | dreamer_ | I want to port hydrogen rackkarack fluidsynth and ardour . . . but I need a functional rt kernel and jack first |
| 23:27.51 | pwnguin | if i were to make a game, it'd probably be something to add to sgt-puzzles |
| 23:27.54 | lcuk | pwnguin, i meant your own stuff |
| 23:27.59 | lcuk | anything - for you |
| 23:28.07 | lcuk | Termana_n810, is doesnt matter the quality |
| 23:28.11 | johnx | Termana, will people who were going to make good apps actually decrease their quality? I don't see this as zero-sum |
| 23:28.15 | lcuk | if your mates buy it, whats the prob bob |
| 23:28.18 | dreamer_ | in that statement port != new gui |
| 23:28.38 | lcuk | if quality was a key factor in anything, things like 4chan wouldnt exist |
| 23:28.42 | pwnguin | i also write personal webscrapers but that's a hard game to play |
| 23:28.47 | Termana_n810 | lol |
| 23:29.06 | johnx | pwnguin, heh. I'd tend to lump webscrapers and emus into the same category :) |
| 23:29.11 | dreamer_ | pwnguin: n900 comes with perl, it has a webscraper already |
| 23:29.23 | lcuk | lol johnx |
| 23:29.48 | lcuk | pwnguin, what do you use the webscraping for? |
| 23:29.56 | pwnguin | lots of stuff |
| 23:30.08 | lcuk | like? whats your killer app that needs data like that |
| 23:30.26 | pwnguin | comic pages, torrents, jobs |
| 23:30.34 | lcuk | emulators are just like webscrapers - they just scrape old code |
| 23:30.43 | dreamer_ | I'd like a widget that listens bound to localhost on a given port that you can spit json data to from a background daemon and have it display stuff |
| 23:30.57 | dreamer_ | then write your scraper in perl, or whatever you like |
| 23:31.32 | lcuk | theres a great site to scrape data from |
| 23:31.34 | lcuk | bottomofthebarrel.com |
| 23:32.11 | pwnguin | my point is it's pretty lame to build an open source gaming platform thats mainly emulators |
| 23:32.17 | lcuk | o_O my first 100 followers http://twitter.com/lcuk |
| 23:32.32 | lcuk | pwnguin, its not mainly emulators |
| 23:32.34 | pwnguin | you know what emulates NES, DMG, GBC, GBA, SNES and plays nds perfectly? |
| 23:32.57 | lcuk | i tried a couple of these emulators, but they dont do anything |
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| 23:33.08 | lcuk | so i installed supertux and havent stopped playin it |
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| 23:34.22 | dreamer_ | game dev content creation takes alot of work |
| 23:34.30 | pwnguin | sometimes, yes |
| 23:34.32 | lcuk | very technical question@ full disk encryption, is it compatible with maemo, can i just build and install on the fremantle stack |
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| 23:34.52 | pwnguin | how would you enter the decryption key? |
| 23:35.12 | lcuk | i dunno how it works, im merely asking the question i was asked |
| 23:35.25 | lcuk | but for the sake of argument, lets assume it was only MyDocs |
| 23:35.32 | lcuk | so wasnt needed for the boot procedure |
| 23:35.55 | pwnguin | ubuntu uses a fuse encryption tool, and i think maemo supports fuse |
| 23:36.05 | pwnguin | so call me crazy, but i think its doable |
| 23:36.30 | lcuk | i know its not entirely practical, but if someone wanted it. thats good to know. |
| 23:36.38 | lcuk | its more a "yes, this is a serious linux" :) |
| 23:37.23 | pwnguin | dreamer_: if you sidestep the graphics problem its usually not too hard to build a game |
| 23:37.51 | pwnguin | i mean, theres countless roguelikes, and vector art games |
| 23:38.04 | lcuk | dreams of new games |
| 23:38.38 | lcuk | wifi @ #bcman2 today was slow |
| 23:38.57 | lcuk | it wouldv been cool to just hop on and use multicast to play in the area |
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| 23:39.26 | pwnguin | its too bad soulfu is such a crazy source code license |
| 23:39.46 | pwnguin | i got it building and patched for ubuntu but theres no way in hell it'll get into debian =/ |
| 23:39.53 | pwnguin | and i seriously doubt it builds on arm |
| 23:40.48 | pwnguin | they took a skeletal animation and cel shading approach to skimp on the art effort |
| 23:42.11 | lcuk | i was teasing the cat before |
| 23:42.24 | lcuk | drawing on liqbase and having it projected on the wall |
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| 23:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | (cryptfs) I consider that a rather valid usecase, for business applications where you really need to make sure your data won't stray. And I don't see where it shuld cause any special maemo related problems |
| 23:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, you sneaky bastard. |
| 23:59.59 | lardman | gives a final curse to web application REST stuff, then heads for bed |
