| 00:00.27 | dmj7262 | it's only for the 3gs |
| 00:01.17 | dmj7262 | "After months of laboring and overcoming the limitations of iPhone's memory and processing power..." |
| 00:03.10 | dmj7262 | I suspect that landscape might be better for video editing. |
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| 00:40.32 | m77771111 | Hi! |
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| 00:40.51 | m77771111 | I am tired to find simple graphics editor that can save images to jpeg, png...) |
| 00:41.08 | m77771111 | Want to draw simple pictures and have jpg ) "MyPaint" is very heavy) ) |
| 00:41.33 | dmj7262 | maybe xournal? |
| 00:42.04 | dmj7262 | not really a graphics editor, but simple sketches should be doable. |
| 00:43.11 | m77771111 | can it save sketches to jpeg? :) |
| 00:43.29 | dmj7262 | um...not sure |
| 00:43.43 | dmj7262 | probably |
| 00:44.16 | dmj7262 | are you on n8x0? |
| 00:44.51 | m77771111 | 810 |
| 00:49.45 | m77771111 | no, xournal can't save in jpg... Just in some its format |
| 00:50.12 | lcuk | m77771111, liqbase :) |
| 00:50.38 | lcuk | and you could always just take screenshots with any app |
| 00:52.02 | m77771111 | liqbase is only for screenshots? |
| 00:52.16 | lcuk | no, and my mistake i misread |
| 00:52.24 | lcuk | it doesnt do png yet either |
| 00:52.44 | m77771111 | jpg? |
| 00:52.46 | lcuk | well the normal one doesnt but it could be easily added, why do you need png |
| 00:53.02 | lcuk | i mean a bitmap format, not a specific image class |
| 00:53.12 | m77771111 | dont understand you |
| 00:53.15 | lcuk | liqbase still saves in vectors but is really simple |
| 00:53.23 | m77771111 | Can it allow me to draw and save to jpg? (y/n) |
| 00:54.05 | lcuk | no |
| 00:54.37 | lcuk | m77771111, but why do you need jpg or png |
| 00:55.52 | m77771111 | i need to post images to Forum ) |
| 00:56.10 | m77771111 | I need to sketch, upload them (some image server), and insert links to forums |
| 00:56.52 | lcuk | i have a postcard app |
| 00:57.01 | lcuk | it lets me draw a sketch |
| 00:57.03 | lcuk | combine with a pic |
| 00:57.08 | lcuk | and uploads a png to my server |
| 00:57.39 | lcuk | perhaps it could be adapted to your needs easily |
| 00:57.54 | lcuk | the sketching is simplistic and essentially pencil drawing |
| 00:58.04 | lcuk | ui http://liqbase.net/liq.20090831_025549.ctrlliqpostcard_intro1.scr.png |
| 00:58.13 | lcuk | result http://liqbase.net/liqbase_media.php?username=lcuk&id=203 |
| 00:58.46 | m77771111 | I am glad ) |
| 00:58.46 | m77771111 | But what i need to install? :) |
| 00:59.01 | lcuk | to change the app to your needs |
| 00:59.05 | lcuk | or to play yourself |
| 00:59.11 | lcuk | and try things |
| 00:59.26 | lcuk | either way, liqbase-playground |
| 00:59.37 | lcuk | it installs quite a lot |
| 00:59.43 | lcuk | different smaller apps |
| 00:59.48 | lcuk | the postcard is just one of them |
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| 01:00.42 | m77771111 | i found installed application "sketch". Is saves to png. |
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| 04:39.22 | xnt14 | feels bored lol |
| 04:39.27 | xnt14 | pokes someone random |
| 04:39.31 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:39.32 | v2px_ | ouch |
| 04:39.34 | xnt14 | ~random |
| 04:39.49 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:39.58 | xnt14 | ~random v2px_ |
| 04:40.06 | v2px_ | if you're bored: read a book! |
| 04:40.16 | v2px_ | aw, nothing for me |
| 04:40.56 | xnt14 | has already read one artemis fowl book, and two fanfics (17 chapters) in the last 8 hours |
| 04:41.04 | xnt14 | ~random |
| 04:41.16 | xnt14 | wtf. |
| 04:41.19 | v2px_ | lmao |
| 04:41.20 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:41.26 | xnt14 | ~random |
| 04:41.39 | xnt14 | ~random n900 |
| 04:41.53 | xnt14 | ~random nokia |
| 04:42.00 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:42.06 | xnt14 | ~random irc |
| 04:42.22 | v2px_ | hahaha |
| 04:42.25 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:42.43 | xnt14 | ~random boredom |
| 04:42.57 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:43.09 | xnt14 | ~boredom |
| 04:43.10 | infobot | boredom is, like, the main motivation for you people talking to me, dont think I dont realise that. |
| 04:43.20 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:43.21 | v2px_ | :> |
| 04:43.47 | xnt14 | runs when he sees GeneralAntilles glaring at him for bot spam xD |
| 04:44.13 | v2px_ | we need a rps bot for boring nights |
| 04:44.37 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:45.00 | yuizy | ~useless |
| 04:45.01 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from yuizy in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 04:45.08 | xnt14 | ~cookie |
| 04:45.23 | xnt14 | ~fly |
| 04:45.23 | infobot | ACTION flies a F16, or http://photos.photosig.com/photos/85/49/1144985-bf2effb0adcf81c9.jpg |
| 04:45.33 | yuizy | ~kill |
| 04:45.52 | xnt14 | fail. infobot should fly an f22 |
| 04:45.54 | yuizy | :( |
| 04:45.56 | v2px_ | is he dead now? :( |
| 04:46.02 | xnt14 | ~zombie |
| 04:46.03 | infobot | somebody said zombie was a zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent,just ignore the zombie. |
| 04:46.05 | yuizy | i think i killed him |
| 04:46.21 | xnt14 | ~funeral |
| 04:46.31 | xnt14 | :,( |
| 04:46.32 | xnt14 | :P |
| 04:46.41 | v2px_ | ~infobot |
| 04:46.42 | infobot | i heard infobot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 04:47.27 | xnt14 | ~play cod4 |
| 04:47.47 | xnt14 | ~fail |
| 04:47.48 | infobot | rumour has it, fail is what happens to you when you follow gamespot's game advice. standing in the fire. |
| 04:48.00 | xnt14 | ~killall infobot |
| 04:48.11 | xnt14 | ~die |
| 04:48.12 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 04:48.29 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:48.38 | v2px_ | ~easteregg |
| 04:48.42 | xnt14 | I think *now* hes dead :P |
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| 04:49.40 | xnt14 | ~kill v2px_ |
| 04:49.41 | infobot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-graviton gun at v2px_ |
| 04:50.12 | xnt14 | ~chase v2px_ |
| 04:50.13 | infobot | ACTION chases v2px_ |
| 04:51.02 | xnt14 | ~seen lcuk |
| 04:51.05 | infobot | lcuk <i=lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 51m 17s ago, saying: 'the postcard is just one of them'. |
| 04:51.25 | xnt14 | hmm ;P |
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| 04:52.16 | xnt14 | ~kill theidiotwhoinventedboredom |
| 04:52.16 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged fluxphoton gun at theidiotwhoinventedboredom |
| 04:53.04 | xnt14 | spots GeneralAntilles, and then silently sneaks way... |
| 04:53.49 | dreamer__ | anyone know if a package that provides GL/glu.h is in the repo |
| 04:54.02 | xnt14 | remembers that his science teacher will kill him if he doesn't finish this lab. brb |
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| 06:01.35 | Flandry__ | what's going on here XD |
| 06:01.47 | johnx | not too much |
| 06:02.01 | johnx | what's going on there? |
| 06:02.04 | Flandry__ | i had no idea infobot was so versatile :P |
| 06:02.22 | Flandry__ | ~make a cake? |
| 06:02.23 | infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `a cake'. Stop. |
| 06:02.26 | johnx | ~botsnack |
| 06:02.26 | infobot | johnx: aw, gee |
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| 06:02.51 | Flandry__ | ~make sense |
| 06:02.52 | infobot | make: *** No rule to make target `sense'. Stop. |
| 06:02.56 | Flandry__ | lol |
| 06:04.01 | dmj7261 | I've got a good name for a simple video editor for the n900. |
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| 07:05.35 | mrkiko | Hi all! I'm starting an adventure right now - wanting to run Linux on my Nokia N95 for no special purpose, just learn. |
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| 07:06.16 | mrkiko | Can someone tell me where to start? Or what to do first? I know I can't use jtag, for sure |
| 07:17.12 | courmisch | mrkiko: the secure boot loader wont allow you to boot Linux on N95 |
| 07:17.42 | courmisch | AFAIK, it will only load trusted Nokia flash images |
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| 07:19.11 | mrkiko | courmisch: I knew, that's the precaution against firmware modding. But, I'm trying to rewrite the bootloader also... :) |
| 07:19.45 | mrkiko | courmisch: yes, I know I'm going to risk my mind's healt |
| 07:19.51 | courmisch | the bootloader is signed too |
| 07:20.06 | mrkiko | :) |
| 07:20.59 | Stskeeps | thats really the difference with 770/n8x0/n900 .. it does not require signatures |
| 07:21.19 | courmisch | I think, if you manage to break that security, there may be more interesting things than hacking your N95 |
| 07:21.36 | Stskeeps | (excepting on cell module fw) |
| 07:22.21 | mrkiko | Stskeeps: so you say the bootloader is not really checking signatures? |
| 07:22.28 | courmisch | Stskeeps: is the loader not signed too on Nxxx ? |
| 07:23.00 | courmisch | I thought security was disabled by some stage of the loader |
| 07:23.01 | mrkiko | The one in E65 rm-208 is |
| 07:23.13 | Stskeeps | courmisch: well it allows us to boot our own kernels |
| 07:23.14 | courmisch | but that stage must be signed |
| 07:23.36 | courmisch | because the loader does not check signature |
| 07:23.42 | Stskeeps | i havent heard on any sigs on nolo and x-loader |
| 07:23.58 | Stskeeps | feel free to prove me wrong |
| 07:24.28 | courmisch | I dunno too much |
| 07:24.31 | mrkiko | ok... |
| 07:24.34 | Stskeeps | but then again, noone has wanted to hack nolo or xloader |
| 07:24.46 | Stskeeps | as it works for its purpose |
| 07:24.59 | mrkiko | My problem is that I don't have service hardware - Yes, I know i'll need it |
| 07:25.58 | Stskeeps | mrkiko: nxxx are much more open than nxx :P |
| 07:26.26 | mrkiko | Stskeeps: ehehe... guesed |
| 07:26.38 | mrkiko | warn - "I'm not english" |
| 07:27.17 | mrkiko | Stskeeps: but a question, you might think stupid... Where is actually Security implemented? In the CPU itself? |
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| 07:27.33 | Stskeeps | no clue about nxx |
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| 07:28.15 | mrkiko | In other words - if in some way I manage to get the entire ROM content, may I put my hands on something interesting? |
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| 07:29.00 | Stskeeps | if rom checks bootloader sig, not much to do |
| 07:29.15 | mrkiko | Stskeeps: clear... |
| 07:29.17 | Stskeeps | you are better off doing something HaRET li |
| 07:29.19 | Stskeeps | ke |
| 07:29.43 | mrkiko | HaRET like? I don't know HaRET - is it a project name, a slang word or what? |
| 07:30.32 | Stskeeps | project |
| 07:30.46 | mrkiko | ok |
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| 07:30.52 | Stskeeps | its a user space program that loads a kernel from within the os |
| 07:31.04 | mrkiko | yeah |
| 07:31.19 | mrkiko | I think it needs an hacked firmware aniway |
| 07:31.43 | GeneralAntilles | Save the time and effort, buy an N900. ;) |
| 07:31.44 | Stskeeps | on windows mobile no, but you will need deep access |
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| 07:31.54 | Stskeeps | and what GA said |
| 07:32.26 | mrkiko | I can work only with S60 3rd phones - I'm blind... |
| 07:32.51 | mrkiko | so that I need to have assistive technology before the kernel loads. After that, no problems, I can do with serial consoles and things like that. |
| 07:33.58 | Stskeeps | that does seem not easy.. i know there is some degree of assistive technology in n900 |
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| 07:34.33 | Stskeeps | what would you want from your cellphone to help you in using it? |
| 07:34.35 | mrkiko | Ehehe.. I knew about that some time ago. Aniway ... I'll inform myself... |
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| 07:35.25 | mrkiko | but it seems haret doesn't support s60 |
| 07:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | Are there any decent Linux-friendly non-touch mobile devices other there these days? |
| 07:36.12 | Stskeeps | mrkiko: screen reader on device needed? |
| 07:37.09 | mrkiko | Stskeeps: yes. Now I'm using an hacked Symbian N95 with Nuance Talks |
| 07:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | And almost 33 hours Talk-free! |
| 07:37.29 | mrkiko | I have aniway a 6630 and a E65 |
| 07:37.40 | GeneralAntilles | I've only attempted to load the recent posts page 6 times. <_< |
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| 07:37.50 | Stskeeps | basically i think it may be easier to get n900 to do your bidding than hack a linux kernel on n95 :P |
| 07:38.07 | GeneralAntilles | Indeed |
| 07:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | Although Hildon is REALLY touchscreen focused. |
| 07:38.19 | Stskeeps | and i'm sure there are some maemo.org users who would help out |
| 07:38.22 | mrkiko | ok ok ... What does N900 run? |
| 07:38.28 | Stskeeps | maemo, linux |
| 07:38.34 | mrkiko | OFHFHFHFH |
| 07:38.36 | Stskeeps | gtk+ based |
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| 07:38.43 | mrkiko | I'M LOVIN* IT |
| 07:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | mrkiko, basically the GNOME mobile stack. |
| 07:39.23 | mrkiko | ehehe |
| 07:39.23 | GeneralAntilles | The big hurdle is that the UI is very focused on touchscreen usage. |
| 07:39.23 | mrkiko | gnome and accessibility are not good friend aniway |
| 07:39.23 | GeneralAntilles | Which I imagine is difficult to feel your way around. |
| 07:39.23 | mrkiko | and for an italian user, the english voice of gnome is just "too english" :) |
| 07:39.37 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: with a bit of tactice feedback it might be |
| 07:39.59 | mrkiko | Oh guys. I just wanted to see the device boot, look at some interesting kernel internals within the arch starting right from the dmesg :) |
| 07:40.02 | GeneralAntilles | Some awfully small targets to hit. |
| 07:40.27 | Stskeeps | mrkiko: a n95 is fairly similar to a n8x0 i think |
| 07:40.29 | mrkiko | touch-screen... ehehe ... i hate them so much, but I understand there's no solution |
| 07:40.31 | GeneralAntilles | has never really investigated usability stuff all that much, though. |
| 07:40.50 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:40.55 | Stskeeps | but if you need a device that you can add accessibility on.. n900 can do a lot |
| 07:41.12 | mrkiko | eheh... I immagine |
| 07:41.51 | Stskeeps | touch can be good though.. gesture interface |
| 07:42.09 | Stskeeps | maemo isnt limited to one ui only so |
| 07:42.16 | Stskeeps | some people ran KDE |
| 07:43.34 | mrkiko | :) |
| 07:44.53 | Stskeeps | start a thread on talk.maemo.org on n900 for blind and lets see what people can come up with |
| 07:45.20 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 07:45.30 | Stskeeps | wb nchip |
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| 07:46.17 | suihkulokki | who? :P |
| 07:46.48 | Stskeeps | hehe, noticed you dropped off irc :P |
| 07:47.45 | Stskeeps | gets back to playing with sb toolchains for uclibc |
| 07:48.36 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: apart from the Hermes thread, I've nowmanaged about 5 days. |
| 07:49.25 | Stskeeps | contemplates viewing the SSO discussion or not. |
| 07:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, my productivity has gone up. I hadn't realized how much of a boredom crutch it had become. |
| 07:50.09 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's now spread to -community |
| 07:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | The sad part about this whole thing is that the core really is falling to pieces. |
| 07:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | recalls this discussion from early 2007. |
| 07:50.46 | GeneralAntilles | Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working out happily this time. |
| 07:51.06 | Jaffa | got called a sociopath one too many times. Which, it turns out, is once. |
| 07:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | Interestingly it wasn't anything specific for me |
| 07:51.55 | Jaffa | Anyway, I'll go back one day soon. Maybe stop folling newposts |
| 07:52.04 | GeneralAntilles | Although there are dozens of them I could've decided this over in the past. |
| 07:52.14 | GeneralAntilles | So far it's not looking likely for me. |
| 07:52.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: That I was getting 7 pages of newposts every time I went and was opening a lower and lower number of them was the biggest reason. |
| 07:53.04 | Jaffa | Time goes up, return on investment was going down. |
| 07:53.21 | mrkiko | sorry - should escape |
| 07:53.46 | Jaffa | Of course, suggesting the SnR ratio on ML is higher is snobbish of me ;) |
| 07:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | Worse, /yuppyish/. |
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| 07:55.49 | Jaffa | s/SnR ratio/SNR/ |
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| 08:27.42 | RST38h | <yawn> |
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| 08:28.09 | frewsxcv | is nitdroid stable on the 770? |
| 08:30.12 | samad | for camera i have run the examplae_camera code in my simulator but camera_src not found i am using webcam |
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| 08:48.24 | ShadowJK | yay, new N810 battery \o/ |
| 08:49.33 | lbt900 | heh |
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| 08:52.24 | ShadowJK | the old one is a bit swollen in comparison... |
| 08:53.17 | Stskeeps | wtf did you do to it :P |
| 08:54.01 | ShadowJK | I think it was heat |
| 08:54.51 | ShadowJK | It got significantly worse after my N810 was in my jeans pocket during a 10 day trip to the german heatwave |
| 08:54.58 | boxxy | did u say german |
| 08:55.02 | boxxy | heil hitler mein fuhrer |
| 08:55.32 | ShadowJK | or then when it sat in car during summer perhaps.. |
| 08:56.34 | ShadowJK | My used N800's battery arrived in somewhat crap condition too, and I wondered wtf the previous owner had done |
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| 09:07.48 | johnx | please don't tell me that the best git GUI is that tcl/tk thing... |
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| 09:19.34 | frals | bashes head against a brick wall |
| 09:20.10 | RST38h | why do you need a gui? |
| 09:20.16 | Shapeshifter | frals: how's your mms going? |
| 09:20.32 | frals | got told to setup a lpd server so another company could use our printer, sure i say... after doing and "its not working" from their server they get back to me, and after a while they tell me they actually expected it to be a hp printerserver :< |
| 09:20.38 | frals | its progressing! |
| 09:20.40 | johnx | RST38h, because I'm really not getting git |
| 09:20.43 | Shapeshifter | johnx: afaik, it is. |
| 09:20.57 | Shapeshifter | frals: pleased to hear ^^ |
| 09:20.59 | frals | since i got the dbus docs for registering to handle wap push yesterday its golden |
| 09:20.59 | Milo- | is google maps available for n900 yet? |
| 09:21.27 | frals | and got some networkgeeks in the talk thread hacking away at multiple connections open |
| 09:21.28 | Stskeeps | there's a maemaps thing |
| 09:21.32 | johnx | Milo-, did someone say it would be? |
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| 09:26.41 | pupnik | nice to read that frals |
| 09:27.35 | frals | the biggest problem now is the fact im more of a trial-n-error programmer, and its kinda hard without a device, but hopefully they start shipping soon :) |
| 09:28.30 | beatpanic | frals, eheh, do you know (hi!) when it comes out? they said october! :) |
| 09:29.06 | frals | going out on a limb here - but im going with "when its done" ;-) (no really, i have no clue) |
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| 09:29.18 | range | frals: Well, you can try very much now and the error will only be bigger :) |
| 09:29.24 | beatpanic | frals, eheh ok |
| 09:29.43 | range | *get bigger. |
| 09:29.49 | frals | range: yeah thats what im doing, building a foundation of errors and then i just have to fix em all and it *should* work... ;D |
| 09:30.05 | range | Hehe. |
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| 09:32.46 | IcanCU | is the n900 a good voip phone? |
| 09:34.24 | Stskeeps | brilliant. |
| 09:34.51 | Myrtti | tea ⥠|
| 09:34.55 | IcanCU | u've used it? |
| 09:35.30 | Ave | anyone actually HAVE the n900 yet in their dirty mittens? |
| 09:35.47 | Myrtti | Ave: preproduction ones are about in multitudes |
| 09:36.13 | Ave | sure |
| 09:36.41 | _berto_ | IcanCU: I have |
| 09:37.03 | IcanCU | over 3g or ifi? |
| 09:37.06 | _berto_ | and many people in this channel, I assume |
| 09:37.07 | _berto_ | wifi |
| 09:37.14 | IcanCU | ok |
| 09:37.19 | IcanCU | cool |
| 09:37.26 | holydevil_ | Been here for quite some time now ... is N900 coming to India? |
| 09:37.33 | IcanCU | i'm having trouble to get voip to work on my e71 |
| 09:37.36 | IcanCU | it works |
| 09:37.45 | IcanCU | but fails often |
| 09:37.56 | IcanCU | looking for the best voip mobile phone out there |
| 09:38.20 | Stskeeps | IcanCU: it supports sip, skype, google talk, .. |
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| 09:38.42 | _berto_ | IcanCU: I haven't had a single problem with it, but I also don't make voip calls that often |
| 09:38.47 | IcanCU | the n900 seems like a fun phone |
| 09:39.01 | IcanCU | a bit large though |
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| 09:39.15 | _berto_ | not as big as it appears |
| 09:39.16 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 09:39.23 | _berto_ | at least that's what happened to me |
| 09:39.30 | Stskeeps | it can probably kill a man but considering what's in it.. |
| 09:39.55 | danielwilms | IcanCU I'm a regular voip user and it works fine! |
| 09:40.09 | baze | i only wish they would've used one of those stantum touch panels to make it ready for maemo6 and multitouch too :/ |
| 09:40.15 | frals | *adds one more item to the feature list: murder weapon* |
| 09:40.36 | holydevil_ | if only someone can tell me if this phone is coming to INDIA |
| 09:41.02 | johnx | holydevil_, usually when people don't answer it's because they don't know |
| 09:41.21 | johnx | holydevil_, is it on the nokia.com site for India? |
| 09:41.58 | holydevil_ | johnx: ah come on! It's the source of truth for the moment. I'm talking about future plans |
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| 09:42.10 | johnx | holydevil_, so you want me to make something up? |
| 09:42.14 | holydevil_ | johnx: I know it's not coming here for the first release |
| 09:42.42 | holydevil_ | johnx: not you, may be someone who knows it, someone from nokia |
| 09:43.10 | johnx | holydevil_, if anyone knows it inside Nokia they'd be fired instantly for telling you here |
| 09:43.59 | holydevil_ | johnx: sounds like a taboo |
| 09:44.38 | johnx | I wouldn't say a taboo so much as just preventing leaks... |
| 09:44.41 | Myrtti | no, it sounds like NDA |
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| 09:45.26 | johnx | holydevil_, does it support the right GSM frequencies? is their language support in ukeyboard? |
| 09:46.48 | holydevil_ | johnx: yes and yes |
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| 09:47.43 | johnx | well, then at least you can just buy it over the internet and use it |
| 09:48.02 | johnx | much better situation than in canada where their GSM frequencies don't match up... |
| 09:49.01 | courmisch | well, even most Nokia employees would not know the answer |
| 09:49.17 | courmisch | sales is a matter of the markets unit, not Maemo |
| 09:49.56 | johnx | s/GSM/UMTS/ |
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| 09:51.16 | holydevil_ | johnx, courmisch I have a feeling it will be launched in India. It's a huge market & 3GS has not launched here yet! |
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| 09:52.08 | adeus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:52.08 | adeus | /scratchbox/tools/bin/cp: cannot stat `./#': No such file or directory |
| 09:52.15 | johnx | keep in mind the n900 is still kind of a "testing the water" device. Almost certainly the maemo 6 device will be released in India though |
| 09:52.17 | adeus | any ideas what to debug, what is that looking for? |
| 09:52.32 | johnx | adeus, look at your debian/rules |
| 09:53.12 | adeus | well it says that it's running dh_install :) |
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| 09:53.16 | suihkulokki | adeus: is there a # in some of the debian/*.install files ? |
| 09:53.18 | adeus | and .install files look ok |
| 09:53.44 | johnx | gremlins |
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| 09:54.20 | Stskeeps | heh, they're introducing android phones on .dk market here |
| 09:54.30 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.32 | Stskeeps | .. except the android market is not open in .dk |
| 09:55.11 | johnx | smooth |
| 09:55.17 | adeus | aha! |
| 09:55.20 | adeus | there was one |
| 09:55.30 | adeus | maybe a newer debhelper allows those |
| 09:55.32 | holydevil_ | frick, so maemo 6 = buy new hardware ? |
| 09:55.36 | adeus | I had to bump the compat version down |
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| 10:00.58 | netvandal | i guy |
| 10:01.00 | netvandal | ho |
| 10:01.12 | netvandal | *hi guy |
| 10:01.21 | johnx | hallo netvandal |
| 10:01.32 | johnx | hi-ho to you as well |
| 10:01.38 | netvandal | :) |
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| 10:02.09 | netvandal | someone know how to debug apps that use liblocation in scratchbox? |
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| 10:02.49 | ccooke | Morning, all |
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| 10:03.24 | adeus | mock the location api? :) |
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| 10:04.32 | danielwilms | netvandal there is in general no option to generate gps data automatically in the scratchbox...but you could implement faked data by yourself |
| 10:05.06 | netvandal | wrapping the dbus api? |
| 10:06.05 | Stskeeps | LD_PRELOAD of liblocation could work.. |
| 10:06.40 | netvandal | Stskeeps, what you mean? |
| 10:07.07 | Stskeeps | well, wrapping the functions of liblocation to return fake data |
| 10:07.20 | netvandal | a ok :) |
| 10:07.25 | adeus | ala mocking it |
| 10:07.28 | adeus | aka |
| 10:08.07 | kalikiana | beware of the mocking bird |
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| 10:14.47 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
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| 10:14.53 | Stskeeps | how is life in kafkaland? |
| 10:16.51 | wazd | heya |
| 10:19.07 | andre__ | kafkaland? |
| 10:19.31 | Stskeeps | well, in this particular case, russia, which is acting rather kafka-esque towards wazd :P |
| 10:21.04 | andre__ | hah. |
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| 10:23.31 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 |
| 10:23.38 | johnx | mornin' qwerty12 |
| 10:23.56 | qwerty12 | Good morning, johnx & Stskeeps |
| 10:28.59 | pupnik | good thing we havd so many lurkers :) |
| 10:29.35 | johnx | pupnik, otherwise we wouldn't be able to make the daily sacrifices to the elder gods |
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| 10:33.14 | qwerty12 | First sacrifice made =) |
| 10:33.21 | wazd | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/4/2009/11/500x_zoom.jpg oh! |
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| 10:34.07 | johnx | wazd, that is pretty freaking awesome. make me a 4-tile pannable n900 wallpaper :D |
| 10:34.49 | wazd | that's not my pic :) |
| 10:34.56 | SpeedEvil | Does wallpaper support mng or ani-gif? |
| 10:35.06 | SpeedEvil | Or flash! :) |
| 10:35.32 | SpeedEvil | ponders xlock -inroot -mode flame |
| 10:38.52 | johnx | electricsheep |
| 10:39.22 | qwerty12 | goatse screensaver |
| 10:39.36 | Stskeeps | worse, creepy hands screensaver |
| 10:39.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:39.57 | qwerty12 | Ooh, that is the worst, indeed |
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| 10:41.47 | johnx | ugh |
| 10:41.56 | johnx | why is it 2:41AM already |
| 10:42.12 | SpeedEvil | imagines every application window popping up in a round window 1/3 of the screen diameter, and then getting pulled open by two hands that dissapear off to the left and the right. |
| 10:42.24 | johnx | :( |
| 10:42.34 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: evil evil clutter transition |
| 10:42.48 | johnx | gah gah gah *fumbles for the mind bleach* |
| 10:42.56 | qwerty12 | That's an awesome idea |
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| 10:43.15 | Stskeeps | SpeedEvil: worst part is that it sounds reasonably possible to hack h-d to do. |
| 10:43.43 | SpeedEvil | You know there are prople that would buy a phone for this sort of silliness :) |
| 10:43.56 | johnx | s/would/will/ |
| 10:44.31 | dmj7261 | How big are fremantle buttons suppose to be? |
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| 10:45.15 | `0660 | i didn't see any buttons in fremantle when i visited it yesterday |
| 10:45.25 | dmj7261 | lol |
| 10:45.31 | `0660 | what are you talking about? :) |
| 10:45.51 | `0660 | they had a nice brewery there though |
| 10:45.53 | dmj7261 | for the n900, how big (pixel wise) should buttons be? |
| 10:46.02 | johnx | `0660, maybe he's thinking of freemantle? |
| 10:46.04 | Stskeeps | look at the HIG or the design guide |
| 10:47.20 | `0660 | johnx, the suburb in uk? :) |
| 10:48.02 | johnx | `0660, I actually think ig might be somewhere in Finland. but a lot of things get fixed there. that's all I know |
| 10:48.55 | RST38h | NVIDIA is preparing to mount a fresh assault on the mobile front, with a successor to Tegra that moves to a dual-core ARM9 CPU and adds improved graphical performance to produce what's said to be twice the power. |
| 10:49.27 | dmj7261 | is that the easter egg? |
| 10:49.28 | johnx | RST38h, uhm...isn't tegra an ARM11? and they're going back to an ARM9? |
| 10:49.29 | vivainio | yeah, for windows ce \o/ |
| 10:49.56 | dmj7261 | :P |
| 10:50.07 | RST38h | johnx: wasn't it arm9 from the start? |
| 10:50.14 | qwerty12 | johnx: But, it's dual-core! OMG |
| 10:50.18 | RST38h | The bird dropped some bread on a section of outdoor machinery, eventually leading to significant over heating in parts of the accelerator. The LHC was not operational at the time of the incident. |
| 10:50.20 | johnx | man I'm really confused about nvidia lately...or maybe they're really confused... |
| 10:50.38 | Stskeeps | dual-core arm9 .. for the DS? :P |
| 10:50.39 | johnx | RST38h, overheats even when off. that's how badass it is |
| 10:51.02 | RST38h | johnx: Universe definitely does not want this thing to work |
| 10:51.07 | johnx | Stskeeps, good call. probably so |
| 10:51.12 | `0660 | RST38h :) |
| 10:51.16 | RST38h | Sts: Most likely |
| 10:51.20 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it doesn't want to work as it would invove a time travel paradox |
| 10:51.27 | Stskeeps | invoke |
| 10:51.46 | RST38h | Sts: I like the end-of-the-world theory better |
| 10:51.51 | dmj7261 | The LHC is it's own grandfather? |
| 10:51.58 | Stskeeps | that it won't work as it would end the world? :P |
| 10:52.09 | RST38h | Yea |
| 10:52.22 | RST38h | I.e. it will end the world when humans figure out how to make it work =) |
| 10:52.24 | johnx | and we're still 2 years out from world-endy doom |
| 10:52.30 | dmj7261 | 48 px is the answer |
| 10:53.31 | dmj7261 | but that seems kinda small when scaled properly in GIMP |
| 10:54.09 | Stskeeps | remember 800x480 screen.. |
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| 10:55.15 | johnx | 48 px? really? that does seem small |
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| 10:55.59 | `0660 | wouldn't it be easy to check from all the screenshots? |
| 11:00.37 | dmj7261 | no 48is for widgits |
| 11:01.00 | dmj7261 | they have some defined values but don't say what they are |
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| 11:02.16 | lardman | morning |
| 11:02.39 | dmj7261 | my guess is 128 pixels |
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| 11:07.20 | lardman | sits waiting for the delivery man |
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| 11:10.18 | lardman | hey JamieBennett1 |
| 11:10.34 | JamieBennett1 | hey lardman |
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| 11:10.37 | woglinde | jo |
| 11:10.45 | lardman | hi woglinde |
| 11:10.47 | andre__ | cool. looks i kind made my device unusable by mass-installing apps. even "df -h" does not display anything anymore :-/ |
| 11:10.58 | woglinde | 2 hours until I am off to uk |
| 11:11.10 | lardman | woglinde: where you going? |
| 11:11.24 | woglinde | cambridge |
| 11:11.25 | woglinde | oedem |
| 11:11.42 | lardman | ah yes, I remember now |
| 11:12.10 | woglinde | lardman hms I forgot you were in berlin |
| 11:12.41 | lardman | np, was pretty busy the whole time |
| 11:13.06 | woglinde | damn navit |
| 11:13.42 | lardman | how is navit coming along these days? |
| 11:14.10 | woglinde | hm latest svn version for n800 dont works |
| 11:15.31 | lardman | too many map apps available |
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| 11:16.19 | woglinde | hm? |
| 11:16.34 | lardman | well there are lots of apps available, all overlap in some ways |
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| 11:19.30 | lardman | is there a handy page anywhere listing the strengths and weaknesses of the various map apps I wonder? |
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| 11:25.07 | Termana | Just as a for interest question - does Maemo 4 allocate a swap file/partition by default? |
| 11:25.11 | VDVsx | andre__, had the same issue, a system reboot helped :) |
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| 11:25.30 | andre__ | VDVsx, not here |
| 11:25.35 | andre__ | reflashing anyway now... |
| 11:25.56 | VDVsx | lol |
| 11:27.02 | zaheerm | andre__, i've done stuff that makes my n900 unusable for periods of time, i think currently i'm using way too much ram and too much swap too |
| 11:27.40 | zaheerm | andre__, is there a decent way of checking what processes are eating too much ram on it...i think ps's values are not the ones to use, but i am no expert |
| 11:27.52 | andre__ | uh... don't know |
| 11:28.34 | `0660 | wouldn't rss in ps be pretty accurate? |
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| 11:28.57 | zaheerm | i only get VSZ in the ps on the device |
| 11:29.20 | zaheerm | probably due to ps being from busybox |
| 11:30.39 | tekojo | andre__ did a reboot return the device after the mass install problem? |
| 11:30.55 | andre__ | tekojo, problem remains |
| 11:31.05 | tekojo | zaheerm top? |
| 11:31.28 | andre__ | tekojo, starting app-manager it says "Operation failed" and does not display any apps to uninstall |
| 11:31.37 | andre__ | from an average user point i'd say: not cool |
| 11:31.55 | tekojo | andre__ can you try deleting something on rootfs that is useless (diablo used to have the user manuals that could be deleted in case of emergency :-) |
| 11:32.50 | andre__ | yeah. i wonder what to delete :) |
| 11:33.04 | tekojo | andre__ for example take out one of the themes /usr/share/themes |
| 11:33.12 | andre__ | "df -h" does not even list any file systems anymore :-/ |
| 11:33.12 | tekojo | not default or alpha though :-) |
| 11:33.23 | tekojo | no x-term? |
| 11:33.33 | andre__ | x-term works. |
| 11:33.41 | andre__ | but df -h fails :) |
| 11:33.57 | tekojo | does rm work? |
| 11:34.04 | andre__ | yes :) |
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| 11:34.31 | tekojo | then remove some unwanted theme :-) |
| 11:34.35 | want3ddrivers | HELLO ALL I WANT MY 3D DRIVERS |
| 11:34.42 | javispedro | er... hello :) |
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| 11:35.15 | VDVsx | morning evil javispedro |
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| 11:35.55 | javispedro | morn |
| 11:36.07 | VDVsx | andre__, I had exactly the same issue, the AM also said "Operation failed" ;) |
| 11:36.09 | Termana | javispedro: You cannot have them. |
| 11:36.14 | Termana | damn |
| 11:36.26 | Termana | I was suppose to change my nick to "TI" |
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| 11:36.43 | javispedro | :( |
| 11:36.45 | VDVsx | sends nvidia-powerxpto-3Ddrivers |
| 11:36.52 | VDVsx | javispedro, happy now :P |
| 11:37.00 | woglinde | nvidia-powerxpto? |
| 11:37.17 | VDVsx | woglinde, fake name ;) |
| 11:37.30 | javispedro | ~chase VDVsx |
| 11:37.30 | infobot | ACTION chases VDVsx |
| 11:38.01 | andre__ | heh. still 100% used but at least "df -h" works again |
| 11:38.06 | javispedro | and don't let him out until he eats the last bit of the nvidia-powerxpto drivers! |
| 11:38.06 | woglinde | nah |
| 11:38.09 | andre__ | anyway, time to reflash to a newer version |
| 11:38.10 | VDVsx | ~curse badly javispedro |
| 11:38.11 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, badly javispedro ! |
| 11:40.58 | javispedro | my preciouuuus ... my preciouuus drivers........ |
| 11:41.08 | javispedro | needs to unsubscribe from 3d drivers thread |
| 11:41.22 | tekojo | andre__ can you check HAM before you flash? |
| 11:41.32 | woglinde | lol |
| 11:41.37 | Termana | javispedro: Give us a link to the thread, I was searching for it earlier and couldn't find itt |
| 11:41.41 | tekojo | just to know if deleting stuff is an ecological way to help? |
| 11:41.48 | woglinde | at least a new gma500 driver is coming |
| 11:41.52 | javispedro | Termana: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=367173#post367173 |
| 11:42.04 | Termana | javispedro: thanks :) |
| 11:43.05 | andre__ | tekojo, i could not delete stuff from h-a-m. |
| 11:43.15 | andre__ | it does not list any apps anymore and displays "operation failed" |
| 11:43.20 | andre__ | apt-get remove also did not work anymore |
| 11:43.33 | andre__ | telling me to run "dpkg --configure -a" first/. |
| 11:43.36 | andre__ | which also failed. |
| 11:43.41 | tekojo | oh, so it messes something up as a last thing... |
| 11:43.51 | andre__ | reflashing now... |
| 11:43.55 | qwerty12 | javispedro: look at http://unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/blog/2007/07/opengl-es-for-maemo/ and note TI want to stop you from doing the same. Muhahahaha =) |
| 11:44.08 | tekojo | andre__ how about deleting some more stuff from rootfs :-) |
| 11:44.18 | andre__ | tekojo, i'll try to reproduce that again later tonight. currently stops me a bit from working :-P |
| 11:44.21 | javispedro | has heart attack |
| 11:44.25 | andre__ | hehe. well... what is left? :) |
| 11:44.51 | javispedro | qwerty12: you evil, I saw the date and the "opengl" keyword BEFORE realizing it was software rendering |
| 11:45.25 | qwerty12 | javispedro: :p |
| 11:45.51 | VDVsx | andre__, hammer ? |
| 11:46.32 | andre__ | got one:) |
| 11:46.58 | VDVsx | :P |
| 11:47.06 | woglinde | qwerty hm intressting link |
| 11:47.07 | VDVsx | hides and do something more productive |
| 11:47.18 | qwerty12 | andre__: Chocolates? This will be an all out assault. You must prepare yourself. |
| 11:47.21 | javispedro | patiently waits for the TI "contact" to say "Oh, what 3D drivers? I though we shipped them already! Oh, you mean for the N810?" |
| 11:47.34 | woglinde | javis *g* |
| 11:47.39 | tekojo | andre__ hmmm, the stuff you filled the rootfs with ? |
| 11:48.12 | andre__ | i just tried to install some apps by using apt-get - 16 or so at a time |
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| 11:48.29 | Termana | javispedro: I don't think anyone has considered that they might NOT actually release them |
| 11:49.14 | Termana | javispedro: Don't cry, I'm just speculating. :P lol |
| 11:49.15 | tekojo | andre__ Can't think of anything sensible and normal; open a bug? :-) |
| 11:49.29 | javispedro | Termana: I do ... that's why I worry. |
| 11:49.32 | andre__ | tekojo, going to do that after reproducing it once, later on :) |
| 11:51.39 | tekojo | ok |
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| 11:58.37 | jeremiah | Umm, okay. |
| 11:58.49 | Jaffa | jeremiah: He was talking to someone else. Anyone else ;-p |
| 11:59.04 | jeremiah | he was talking to me - debslave! |
| 11:59.08 | Jaffa | :) |
| 11:59.11 | jeremiah | Er, umm, debmaster |
| 11:59.16 | jeremiah | er |
| 11:59.27 | jeremiah | infobot is on crack |
| 11:59.28 | infobot | No, I'm not! |
| 11:59.38 | jeremiah | yes you are and stop arguing with me! |
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| 12:02.00 | t_s_o | ah, always fun when someone gets into a argument with a automaton :P |
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| 12:03.30 | zaheerm | how do i delete something from the autobuilder build queue? |
| 12:04.51 | jeremiah | You don't |
| 12:05.04 | jeremiah | It has been copied to another machine and is being built. |
| 12:05.30 | zaheerm | it has got stuck |
| 12:05.43 | zaheerm | i keep getting emails saying UNKNOWN in the subject for it |
| 12:05.50 | zaheerm | for the last hr and a bit |
| 12:06.06 | jeremiah | which package is it? |
| 12:06.18 | jeremiah | flvlib? |
| 12:06.22 | zaheerm | flvlib 0.1.6-1 |
| 12:06.30 | jeremiah | I see that too, hmmm. |
| 12:06.51 | zaheerm | i uploaded 0.1.7-1 which hopefully fixes a problem with it (and also new upstream version) |
| 12:07.22 | jeremiah | I don't think you have caused this problem, I think it is a glitch here on garage. |
| 12:07.36 | zaheerm | ok good to know :) |
| 12:07.36 | jeremiah | I will try to fix it. |
| 12:07.39 | zaheerm | thx |
| 12:07.58 | jeremiah | sure, and apologies if it was something garage did. :/ |
| 12:08.25 | zaheerm | hey no worries, the autobuilder is a great service! |
| 12:08.49 | jeremiah | I'm glad you feel that way. :) |
| 12:08.51 | jeremiah | I agree. |
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| 12:12.00 | javispedro | Jaffa: hermes is quite a killer app, I see some people in the fansites drooling about it.... :) |
| 12:13.00 | VDVsx | jeremiah, zaheerm, it seems to be a garage issue, I had the same results with sane packages weeks ago :) |
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| 12:13.59 | zaheerm | VDVsx, you causing problems remotely with a bluetooth device? :) |
| 12:15.03 | Jaffa | javispedro: URLs, I need to feel *loved* :) |
| 12:15.32 | t_s_o | maybe lack of mms support is not so bad after all: http://moconews.net/article/419-mogreet-launches-mms-based-video-ad-platform/ |
| 12:15.33 | VDVsx | zaheerm, nah, the 770 in garage doing the builds has the BT broken ;) |
| 12:15.59 | zaheerm | VDVsx, :) |
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| 12:17.32 | murrayc | Jaffa: tbf says that hermes (or anything) isn't allowed by facebook to get phone numbers and addresses, according to their terms of service. Have you found a way around that? |
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| 12:19.14 | ensi | murrayc: $$$ |
| 12:19.39 | RST38h | moos at everyone present |
| 12:19.46 | javispedro | hiyo |
| 12:20.24 | bilboed-pi | added himself to the long weekend hackfest requests |
| 12:21.04 | Jaffa | murrayc: Nope. I haven't looked. Could screenscrape, I guess |
| 12:21.43 | ensi | emails are stored as pictures in facebook, screenscraping leads to a ban |
| 12:21.45 | zaheerm | bilboed-pi, cool |
| 12:21.59 | bilboed-pi | zaheerm, shame I'm the only one to put the proper country code for bcn though |
| 12:22.06 | t_s_o | heh, seems spammers are more adept at these kinds of things then legitimate users... |
| 12:22.21 | t_s_o | not surprising tho, as its the same over at the "pirate" world |
| 12:22.28 | andre__ | tekojo, fyi i've added a comment about my case at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5450#c21 . i think it's the same issue. |
| 12:22.29 | povbot | Bug 5450: Installing many packages at a time via App Manager exhausts rootfs space |
| 12:22.39 | VDVsx | DEVELOPERS: if you're interested in "UX meets Code hackfest - http://tinyurl.com/ybl8ytt" hurry up ;) |
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| 12:23.23 | bilboed-pi | VDVsx, you need to do it the Ballmer way |
| 12:23.33 | bilboed-pi | VDVsx, DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS .... |
| 12:23.34 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 12:23.39 | murrayc | Jaffa: tbf thinks you'll have a problem then. |
| 12:24.36 | RST38h | andre: After #8, you have to reboot |
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| 12:24.58 | RST38h | andre: Because unless it frees up some / space, it won't be able to do anything |
| 12:25.12 | RST38h | andre: In other words, stuff starting with #8 is both predictable and unavoidable without freeing up / |
| 12:25.48 | andre__ | RST38h, but nobody told me ;-) |
| 12:26.03 | jeremiah | VDVsx: How dare you say that the build system is on a 770! |
| 12:26.06 | andre__ | first idea i have when running out of space is: uh, i should uninstall something |
| 12:26.07 | RST38h | andre: It told you at step #7 that it fucked up |
| 12:26.11 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Everyone knows it is a N800! |
| 12:26.14 | jeremiah | sheesh |
| 12:26.16 | andre__ | RST38h, yeah. but not to reboot |
| 12:26.19 | RST38h | andre: That is all the warning you needed :) |
| 12:26.33 | andre__ | to reboot? no. it just tells me that there's no space left. |
| 12:26.47 | andre__ | i'm just an average user (though i use apt-get) |
| 12:27.10 | RST38h | andre: Well, ideally none of this crap should have happened, so why would it tell you to reboot? :) |
| 12:27.14 | VDVsx | jeremiah, sorry, forgot that you upgraded it last week ;) , but I noticed the increase of speed ;) |
| 12:27.24 | andre__ | RST38h, :-D true |
| 12:27.33 | jeremiah | heh |
| 12:28.10 | jeremiah | andre__: You are almost nearly above average to me. :) |
| 12:28.46 | andre__ | nope. i'm an average user, and i use apt-get because h-a-m is unable to let me install >1 package at a time |
| 12:29.10 | andre__ | apart from that, everything is average. hence i also love to run into problems unable to solve :-P |
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| 12:36.27 | zaheerm | jeremiah, thx for fixing it |
| 12:37.17 | jeremiah | I don't think I did actually, but I'll take the credit. =] |
| 12:37.30 | jeremiah | zaheerm: I think it just died on its own. |
| 12:37.43 | zaheerm | :) |
| 12:37.54 | jeremiah | I have been rooting around in the logs trying to see what happened, hopefully I can find out. |
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| 13:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | xchat on N810 occasionally causes watchdog boot. Any recommendations how to "fix" that? |
| 13:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | (e.g. nice it? or extend watchdog timeout?) |
| 13:07.07 | flux | I have no suggestions, but atleast it's not doing that on my n810 |
| 13:07.36 | flux | although I haven't run it for extended periods (perhas a few days at a time) |
| 13:08.36 | DocScrutinizer | flux: seems to me it's related to some fs-r/w actions of xchat (maybe logs or sth). More often than not the boot is a double-boot which I assume is to run some fsck or sth |
| 13:09.08 | flux | oh. I don't use logging in xchat. |
| 13:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | (period) strange thing is it happens from multiple times a day to no problems for a month of continuous xchat online |
| 13:11.07 | DocScrutinizer | flux: (logging) I'm not quite sure. I didn't enable it intentionally, but as I get backlog of channels on start of xchat I guess that's default behaviour |
| 13:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | I also seem to remember I seen those logfiles in some .dir |
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| 13:15.17 | zaheerm | VDVsx, you know about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lMtDv-khKQ |
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| 13:26.30 | zaheerm | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06/iphone_games_storm8_lawsuit/ |
| 13:27.05 | Termana | iPwned |
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| 13:43.00 | KMFDM | is there a usable rdesktop client available yet for maemo 5? |
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| 13:43.55 | lopz | hi ;) |
| 13:44.35 | `0660 | KMFDM, yes |
| 13:45.27 | Stskeeps | KMFDM: define usable |
| 13:45.27 | KMFDM | what's the name of the package and is it in the repos? |
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| 13:45.39 | kalikiana | look yourself, lazy bone =) |
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| 13:45.51 | KMFDM | kalikiana, well last time I tried to install the python rdesktop client |
| 13:45.53 | Stskeeps | rdesktop-cli |
| 13:45.56 | KMFDM | it wouldn't install |
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| 13:46.13 | KMFDM | yeah I think I did manage to get rdesktop-cli installed |
| 13:46.41 | kalikiana | there's a silly python-xml conflict indeed. but you could still see what clients are there and *then* ask how to fix it ;) |
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| 13:50.18 | KMFDM | I'll look into it more when I'm off of work. I just figured I'd fire off the question in the hope one was working now so that I could use rdesktop to grab some files off one of my computers at home during the commute home. with a bit of luck I'll make time to install linux on that box this weekend solving the need for an rdesktop client |
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| 14:00.38 | VDVsx | zaheerm, ehehe, cool :) |
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| 14:04.35 | KMFDM | kalikiana, i had already seen what clients were there. I was hoping there was something new that I had somehow missed. |
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| 14:11.12 | zaheerm | 17/11 is london n900 meetup and i'm in barcelona that day, bit of rotten luck |
| 14:12.47 | wjt | zaheerm: hmm, URL? |
| 14:13.01 | zaheerm | http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/n900meetup/ |
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| 14:14.03 | Messi | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
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| 14:16.02 | flux | docscrutinizer, indeed, that's a good point now that I think of it, so it must do some logging. I suppose it could just save/resume the state, though, as I (usually?) exit gracefully |
| 14:16.29 | kalikiana | amazing, tapping on the right egde in pdf viewer goes to the next page |
| 14:16.38 | kalikiana | in case anyone else was wondering for hours |
| 14:16.53 | KMFDM | that is nice to know kalikiana. thanks for the tip |
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| 14:17.13 | KMFDM | yesterday I was so busy reading a book on the pdf viewer in the bus that I went two stops too far |
| 14:17.32 | KMFDM | or so into the book rather |
| 14:18.17 | kalikiana | heh |
| 14:18.21 | qwerty12 | KMFDM: I also worry about doing that on the train... |
| 14:18.31 | kalikiana | I almost fell in the tram when it went in the curve |
| 14:19.11 | KMFDM | qwerty12, on the train it is much worse than the bus. I almost went a stop too far in the tram the other day as well. |
| 14:19.27 | KMFDM | kalikiana. I had a similar experience recently also |
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| 14:29.27 | carloscesa | folks, how can I connect a microphone on my N810 and emmit sound at same time? |
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| 14:30.27 | carloscesa | 'cause when I connect an external microphone, if I emmit any sound, I can just listen it if remove the microphone |
| 14:30.47 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, ^ |
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| 15:04.30 | RST38h | Sssssacrificccce |
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| 15:14.18 | jrocha | lizardo, hi |
| 15:14.57 | jrocha | lizardo, I updated my SB and tried executing a python hildon program and got this error: ImportError: could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named _gobject' |
| 15:15.04 | jrocha | just by importing gtk |
| 15:15.27 | jrocha | lizardo, then I tried hermes just to be sure it wasn't my prob and it gave the same error? |
| 15:15.37 | jrocha | maybe I got my SB all messed up |
| 15:16.04 | jrocha | anybody can run hermes on an up-to-date SB? |
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| 15:19.38 | mgedmin | jrocha, what python did you run? |
| 15:19.48 | mgedmin | sbox's python2.3 won't be able to import gtk, I'm sure |
| 15:20.02 | mgedmin | python2.5 installed into sbox ought to be able to, if you also have the python bindings |
| 15:20.18 | mgedmin | if you run just python, you'll get the wrong ne |
| 15:20.20 | mgedmin | s/ne/one/ |
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| 15:20.46 | jrocha | 2.5 |
| 15:21.13 | jrocha | I ran python2.5 |
| 15:21.36 | jrocha | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/hermes/package/src] > run-standalone.sh python2.5 hermes.py |
| 15:21.36 | jrocha | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 15:21.36 | jrocha | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.36 | jrocha | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.36 | jrocha | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.37 | jrocha | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.39 | jrocha | ImportError: could not import gobject (error was: 'No module named _gobject') |
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| 15:23.28 | SpeedEvil | carloscesa: sorry - no idea |
| 15:24.53 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, ok, thanks |
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| 15:28.57 | zaheerm | Other letdowns include its poor battery life (compared to the N900 and the HD2) and its hard-to-type keyboard (Droid's keys are flat and shallow and difficult to muster) |
| 15:29.09 | jrocha | lizardo, mgedmin, it seems my upgrade had uninstalled python-gobject |
| 15:29.12 | jrocha | now it's okay |
| 15:29.14 | jrocha | thank you |
| 15:29.17 | zaheerm | that's the 2nd review i've read that reports the n900's battery life being at leasta little bit decent |
| 15:29.44 | mgedmin | for values of decent |
| 15:29.50 | zaheerm | it was comparing droid to n900 and htc hd2 |
| 15:30.04 | zaheerm | mgedmin, i'm impressed other phones have worse battery life :) |
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| 15:30.33 | KMFDM | I'm impressed with the battery life as well |
| 15:30.59 | KMFDM | I still wonder why they didn't put in an longer lasting battery though. i'm assuming to bring the costs down |
| 15:31.15 | derf | Also size, and weight. |
| 15:32.02 | derf | The best way to improve battery life is not adding a bigger battery, but writing better software. |
| 15:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | costs really isn't an issue when it comes to bat capacity |
| 15:32.23 | derf | At least for devices manufactured on this scale. |
| 15:32.58 | RST38h | derf: In a lot of situations, you simply can't write better software |
| 15:33.27 | RST38h | derf: I.e. the display has to stay lit when the user looks at it, the decoding must go on when watching a movie, etc |
| 15:33.27 | lizardo | jrocha: It seems you have not added the "extras-devel" repository to your scratchbox target's sources.list |
| 15:33.28 | derf | RST38h: You can't make _all_ software better, but there's _lots_ of low-hanging fruit in a typical softwrae stack. |
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| 15:33.45 | RST38h | derf: Nokia seems to have collected all the low-hanging fruit by now |
| 15:33.47 | lizardo | jrocha: but if you got to make it work now, good to know :) |
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| 15:33.58 | derf | RST38h: Right, and that's why their battery life is actually somwhat decent. |
| 15:34.23 | RST38h | derf: They basically handled the 12-hour use scenario |
| 15:34.41 | RST38h | derf: But 8-hour airplane trip scenario is still out of reach |
| 15:34.42 | jrocha | :) |
| 15:34.49 | derf | When the iPhone first came out, I had people telling me they got about 2 hours out of a charge. |
| 15:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | it's all about resource management and selecting good hw components |
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| 15:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | for LCD-backlight e.g. there's just so much you can do |
| 15:36.04 | RST38h | same goes for video decoding and to some degree for audio decoding |
| 15:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:36.23 | derf | Well, you can always improve the decoders. |
| 15:36.26 | RST38h | that is why the airplane scenario is so difficult |
| 15:36.44 | SpeedEvil | decoders may not be a software issue. |
| 15:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | you can't as they are in DSP on N900 aiui |
| 15:36.57 | SpeedEvil | In that hardware units can buy you an order of magnitude. |
| 15:36.58 | RST38h | derf: Only to a point |
| 15:37.00 | derf | DocScrutinizer: Well, _you_ can't. But a DSP is programmable. |
| 15:37.32 | derf | RST38h: It has continued to surprise me how much that point can be moved. |
| 15:37.33 | RST38h | derf: It is computational activity. Some hw unit inside your chip still has to do it, and it costs power |
| 15:37.50 | RST38h | derf: The video decoding? Have not seen it moved that much lately |
| 15:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | derf: simply reprogramming the DSP won't help much. The algos are quite optimized usually |
| 15:38.06 | derf | RST38h: I'm referring specifically to my experience with libtheora. |
| 15:38.14 | RST38h | derf: Oh that... |
| 15:38.24 | RST38h | derf: Well it was shitty to begin with =( |
| 15:38.42 | RST38h | Still is, based on my experience playing OGG files on Windows |
| 15:39.07 | mgedmin | actually, writing poorer software is a good way to prolong battery life |
| 15:39.17 | derf | If the platform has any relevance at all, it is probably not the codecs' fault. |
| 15:39.18 | mgedmin | just make sure the user won't use the device and leave it idling |
| 15:39.39 | zaheerm | derf, i am told that there is a dsp implementation of the theora decoder being worked on that is almost complete |
| 15:39.39 | RST38h | mgedmin: Isn't this the N8x0 approach? |
| 15:39.39 | derf | zaheerm: That is correct. |
| 15:39.45 | zaheerm | derf, for the beagleboard |
| 15:39.46 | derf | There's a git repository up. |
| 15:39.58 | zaheerm | so i guess it'll work on the n900 too |
| 15:40.04 | derf | That's the plan. |
| 15:40.07 | zaheerm | derf, oh where is the git repo? |
| 15:41.22 | derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=leonora.git;a=summary |
| 15:41.22 | derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=ogg-c64x.git;a=summary |
| 15:41.22 | derf | http://code.entropywave.com/git?p=theora-c64x.git;a=summary |
| 15:41.41 | derf | The first is the host-side code, the latter two are the dsp-side libraries. |
| 15:41.43 | RST38h | Anyone can give me an idea on how to implement accelerometer middle-point config? |
| 15:42.08 | orbarron | morning all |
| 15:42.38 | zaheerm | derf, yah ds was meant to show us a demo while we were in California last weekend but things screwed up so he couldn't |
| 15:42.43 | derf | RST38h: Anyway, my point was, even if you think you've optimized something very well, there's always some other non-obvious transformation that makes things just a little bit cheaper... |
| 15:43.03 | SpeedEvil | derf: But that's generally unimportant. |
| 15:43.22 | derf | SpeedEvil: It's important when it's something that runs 100,000 times a frame. |
| 15:43.23 | SpeedEvil | derf: As modern IC processes mean that a _huge_ fraction of the power usage is idle current |
| 15:43.55 | SpeedEvil | derf: So going from 8% to 6% DSP usage on an algorithm won't help much with battery life. |
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| 15:44.15 | RST38h | derf: Common sense says that there should be an end to these transformations =) |
| 15:44.20 | derf | If idle current were the problem, then the 8-hour plane ride wouldn't be substantially different from the 12-hour day. |
| 15:44.33 | RST38h | Exactly |
| 15:44.36 | derf | RST38h: Sure, but by then they'll have new chips out. |
| 15:44.47 | derf | And new chips means more possible transformations! |
| 15:44.54 | SpeedEvil | Idle current - if you can stop various clocks may drop lots. |
| 15:44.58 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: By modern ICs, do you specifically mean x86s? |
| 15:45.03 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: not really. |
| 15:45.14 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Then you are not entirely correct |
| 15:45.22 | derf | Clockless logic is _hard_. |
| 15:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what's middlepoint calib? |
| 15:45.46 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Most processors - in their 'running' modes use ~1/3 of the normal power as idle, only saving lots of power when you clock them way down, or suspend them in various ways. |
| 15:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: 3240 does that zeroclock quite smart |
| 15:46.27 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Correct. So, you suspend them. |
| 15:47.09 | RST38h | DocScrut: the position of the N900 that is considered "neutral" when using accelerometer to control a game |
| 15:47.10 | SpeedEvil | it can be tricky in media cases, as often the 'soundcard' won't carry on when you play. |
| 15:47.20 | SpeedEvil | when you suspend |
| 15:47.33 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Then you do not suspend when you want the audio on |
| 15:47.50 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: In any case, suspending the tablet as much as possible is what Maemo does |
| 15:48.04 | derf | It's what everyone does these days. "Race to idle." |
| 15:48.10 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Indeed - I was just pointing out that it might not be as simple as halving the CPU usage of a codec doubles battery life. |
| 15:48.14 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: And a lot of effort is spent on making sure that applications do not wake it too often |
| 15:48.23 | SpeedEvil | Or attempting to. |
| 15:48.51 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, if you have a CPU that suspends to some degree on HALT (or similar instruction), then all you need to do is finish decoding earlier and HALT waiting for VBlank |
| 15:49.09 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: This is pretty much how GBA handles power saving |
| 15:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: hmm, seems you need a "button" to trigger a readout of all 3 axes to consider hat as middlepoint then, and calculate deviation from the calculated midpoint gravity vector |
| 15:49.46 | RST38h | DocScrut: I guess so, the question is what button and how do I convey this to the end user |
| 15:49.51 | Escafane | Does anyone know what replaces libgpsbt in Fremantle? |
| 15:51.03 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: And yes, it's all doable - it's just in real life in many hardware designs you have constraints that mean that suspending instantly is problematic. Software is highly constrained in the power reduction it can obtain by the hardware limits. |
| 15:51.09 | qwerty12 | Escafane: liblocation |
| 15:51.37 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: That is what makes ARM based designs special: they are easier to suspend |
| 15:51.50 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Suspending a modern x86 is somewhat problematic though |
| 15:51.53 | JamieBennett | jeremiah: any news on that ftp space? |
| 15:52.11 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yes, some ARM. |
| 15:52.18 | derf | RST38h: It's almost like ARM was designed with this in mind. |
| 15:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | like 3240 |
| 15:52.35 | Escafane | qwerty12: Thanks. Do you happen to know if the interface is similar or has changed a lot? |
| 15:52.37 | RST38h | God, people, could somebody with N900 check out MG,fMSX,Speccy,and ColEm in Extras-testing and vote on them? |
| 15:52.54 | RST38h | derf: Well it was desgined to be simple, which always helps |
| 15:53.12 | qwerty12 | Escafane: No idea, sorry. The API reference can be found here: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/ |
| 15:53.32 | RST38h | Takes forever to get apps promoted :( |
| 15:53.35 | Escafane | qwerty12: Thanks, I'll take a look |
| 15:53.40 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I should really investigate teh n900 hardware in depth - but I'm waiting to see if my order (with multiple vouchers at about half price) is honoroed. |
| 15:54.07 | RST38h | Multiple vouchers? Ah you freeloader =) |
| 15:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | wishes Nokia had even confirmed the shipping at 11-25 now. Expects to see further delays |
| 15:55.41 | RST38h | Disturbing thing is that N900 is no longer an exclusive product in its class |
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| 15:56.00 | RST38h | Plenty of 800x480 tablet-like smartphones out now |
| 15:56.17 | derf | Only one I can get root on. |
| 15:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | few with semi-open linux though |
| 15:56.29 | RST38h | derf: Does not matter for a general consumer |
| 15:56.45 | derf | Sure, but it matters to me. |
| 15:56.47 | RST38h | As far as Joe Sixpack cares, it is no different from Droid or HTC HD2 |
| 15:56.59 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Well, I guess it is like they say: bugs are still being fixed, as referenced by the fix of that scrolling application menu issue, yesterday |
| 15:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | guess we all don't think of ourselves as general consumers ;-) |
| 15:57.02 | RST38h | Or that Sony Xperia thing |
| 15:57.16 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Well - yes and no - I'd hope to be doing useful dev-work if I get it. |
| 15:57.17 | Suurorca | Actually I'm a lot more happier if I won't be seeing every bloke talking to the same device I have ;p |
| 15:57.58 | Suurorca | and xperia1 was such a piece of juvk it's quite a hurdle to buy if successor |
| 15:58.02 | RST38h | Well, it is all nice and dandy, but if N900 does not make Nokia money, we may not get N1000 |
| 15:58.27 | Suurorca | blah. they aren't expecting any real profit until maemo6 devices come out |
| 15:59.04 | derf | RST38h: My point is, developer ecosystem is important. |
| 15:59.05 | RST38h | Suu: They are expecting public interest. If the public interest is not there, why continue with Maemo6? |
| 15:59.06 | SpeedEvil | But maemo6 may not come out if 5 isn't enough |
| 15:59.29 | Suurorca | it's too fad in the development now to be dropped |
| 15:59.33 | Suurorca | far* |
| 15:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | nope, Nokia explained verbatim Maemo is future of all their smartphones |
| 15:59.45 | SpeedEvil | no, it's not. |
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| 16:00.09 | SpeedEvil | Nothing is too far in development to be dropped, if the company chooses to do so. |
| 16:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 16:00.22 | SpeedEvil | It may be practically impossible to drop, but ... |
| 16:00.39 | SpeedEvil | And it may be buisness insanity - but companies have made really odd decisions before. |
| 16:00.40 | RST38h | hopes it is the future: once he started using N900 as his primary communicator, going back to Symbian feels like a trip to the concentration camp |
| 16:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | but they want to see revenue from all that linux stuff |
| 16:00.42 | Suurorca | true enough. I'll rephrase: They'd have to be insane to drop it, which they might very well be |
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| 16:01.24 | SpeedEvil | And if they can't see that coming over the horizon are eleven million chinese vendors all with some flavour of linux on their phones... |
| 16:01.31 | zaheerm | at the stackoverflow devday in london, the nokia guy said maemo was the little sister in nokia |
| 16:01.49 | zaheerm | he is obviously an s60 guy :) |
| 16:02.10 | SpeedEvil | Probably a few dozen people in nokia are really involved with the descisions. |
| 16:02.22 | SpeedEvil | The rest will only know what they are told. |
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| 16:02.32 | SpeedEvil | Which may not be the whole truth for many reasons. |
| 16:06.01 | RST38h | Speed: Nobody cares of Chinese vendors, Precious few manage to reach sufficient quality to become marketable |
| 16:06.17 | RST38h | Speed: I can think of 3-4 at most |
| 16:06.41 | RST38h | <home> |
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| 16:36.38 | Milo- | please n900, ship soon! |
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| 16:36.53 | Milo- | this stupid e71 AGAIN complains that my memory is full |
| 16:37.02 | Milo- | how and why! |
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| 16:39.07 | Milo- | ah, it tries to tell me that I have low battery, but fails :D |
| 16:39.12 | range | Someone needs a spare brain it seems. |
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| 16:40.33 | mango_make | awaits n900 also, but wonders what contract / pricning will be like |
| 16:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | mango_make: contract? |
| 16:41.14 | mango_make | had been ponderign which of the android bredd to go for when suddenly the n900 was announced |
| 16:41.41 | mgedmin | notional price is 600 EUR without a contract in europe |
| 16:41.45 | mango_make | DocScrutinizer: mobile phone network contract |
| 16:41.57 | mgedmin | people have been finding random deals |
| 16:42.04 | DocScrutinizer | mango_make: N900 subsidized is rare atm |
| 16:42.11 | mango_make | so prob about £35 / month for 18 months i guess |
| 16:42.12 | mgedmin | heh, "rare" |
| 16:42.18 | SpeedEvil | UK at least you can get it easily |
| 16:42.29 | mgedmin | for values of "you can't buy one until next week anyway" |
| 16:42.30 | SpeedEvil | Ireland vodafone have stated they will be carrying it |
| 16:42.40 | SpeedEvil | As a 'normal' phone |
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| 16:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 16:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 16:43.26 | mango_make | ive notplayed with qt4 much yet, but am in the process of developing a product (embedded), and it seems to be a very attractive solution now |
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| 16:43.42 | mango_make | had dabbled with qt embedded some years ago |
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| 16:44.38 | mango_make | knocking up a ui in designer was sheerevsimplicity .. had demo for client in a couple of hours |
| 16:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 16:45.27 | DocScrutinizer | qt is easy, but a resource hog |
| 16:45.33 | mango_make | so will be gettign right into qt4 hence the maemo qt4 project sounds very interesting, would love to get a n900 and get involved |
| 16:46.40 | mgedmin | what's the status of qt on maemo 5? do apps have the native finger-friendly look and feel? |
| 16:47.42 | mgedmin | I get all confused with all those different versions (qt 4.5 is out, 4.6 is in beta --- or something like that) |
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| 16:48.01 | ab | DNA in Finland is selling N900 for 23.90/mo on 24-month contract |
| 16:48.15 | Flandry | anyone have a good reference for debian packaging beyond what's in the new mainainer's guide? |
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| 16:50.17 | zaheerm | mgedmin, i don't think they do yet |
| 16:50.19 | mgedmin | the debian policy manual |
| 16:50.30 | mgedmin | also, the maemo policy manual, which is a small diff on top of the debian policy manual |
| 16:50.46 | mgedmin | Flandry, ^ |
| 16:50.57 | Flandry | i think i've been through that, too |
| 16:51.02 | Flandry | i'll check again |
| 16:56.27 | Flandry | shudders in fear at going to the dev.m.o server |
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| 16:59.33 | Flandry | mgedmin:are you referring to this pdf from 2008: http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf? |
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| 17:11.06 | Khertan | Hi everyone ! |
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| 17:12.04 | Flandry | hi |
| 17:13.42 | Khertan | Someone here use pluthon on ubuntu ?. |
| 17:18.13 | pupnik | evening khertan :) still enjoying n900? |
| 17:18.26 | Khertan | evening pupnik |
| 17:18.29 | Khertan | yep a lot :) |
| 17:18.52 | Khertan | just some hildon things and the gtk theme which annoy me on some things |
| 17:19.20 | Khertan | for example gtk.FileChooserDialog is unusable |
| 17:19.38 | Khertan | and Hildon.FileChooserDialog doesn't let you showing extension |
| 17:19.43 | Khertan | just an example |
| 17:19.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:20.20 | Khertan | or gtksourceview which is really slow when use in a hildon.pannablearea ... and scrollbar is unusable ... :) |
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| 17:29.30 | Khertan | ~ping |
| 17:29.31 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 17:32.53 | Khertan | oh my god ... hildon.FileChooser isn't in the pymaemo hildon documentation |
| 17:35.01 | keesj | I don't like python bindings for that "it's just like the c version so read the documentation there". |
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| 17:36.56 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/ <<< this one ? |
| 17:37.02 | Khertan | i didn't see it too |
| 17:37.03 | Khertan | : |
| 17:37.04 | Khertan | :) |
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| 17:42.25 | gnuton | Hi |
| 17:42.26 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildonfm/ |
| 17:42.31 | Khertan | hi gnuton |
| 17:42.46 | gnuton | Hei Khertan ;D |
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| 17:43.08 | gnuton | is user/desktop a valid debian category for maemo5 packages? |
| 17:43.22 | gnuton | s/category/section |
| 17:43.26 | VDVsx | gnuton, yup |
| 17:44.00 | gnuton | VDVsx: okay thanx |
| 17:44.57 | VDVsx | gnuton, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections |
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| 17:45.13 | VDVsx | for future reference ;) |
| 17:45.36 | gnuton | VDVsx: thaks that page is what I was looking for ;D |
| 17:51.00 | Flandry | so hard to actually *find* anything |
| 17:51.41 | Khertan | specially if they continue to use an Nokia 770 as a webserver |
| 17:51.50 | Flandry | ha |
| 17:52.03 | lizardo | Khertan: yes, it is one of these Python API missing documentation... feel free to report a bug on this : https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=PyMaemo ... for now see https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/pymaemo-developers/2009-May/000786.html for how to use it |
| 17:52.12 | Flandry | and an iphone app as the wiki software |
| 17:52.32 | Khertan | lizardo: i'm currently looking at the c documentation |
| 17:52.40 | lizardo | keesj: for sure we don't assume it, but unfortunately ATM we lack man power to quickly improve the documentation :( |
| 17:52.54 | lizardo | keesj: but we are slowly fixing and updating it |
| 17:52.56 | Khertan | lizardo: but i haven't still found what i'm looking for ... |
| 17:53.13 | Khertan | lizardo: showing file extension in filechooserdialog :) |
| 17:53.16 | Flandry | i think that's under "media player" |
| 17:53.47 | lizardo | Khertan: oh, so actually you know how to use hildon.FileChooserDialog, but not how to show file extension? |
| 17:54.04 | Khertan | lizardo: yep ... this is exactly that |
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| 17:54.37 | Khertan | and i must also enter a bug for the root_dir because setting something else than '/' result in segfault |
| 17:54.44 | lizardo | Khertan: well, anyway I don't know either... :/ if nothing in the C documentation mentions it, I think it is better to ask the hildon guys if it is possible at all |
| 17:55.08 | Khertan | lizardo: but before whinning i was just looking at the doc :) |
| 17:55.27 | lizardo | Khertan: please do that, so that we can check the behavior against the C code |
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| 17:55.36 | Khertan | yep |
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| 17:55.51 | Khertan | just need to provide a simple case example :) |
| 17:56.14 | Khertan | but my current source code editor isn't finish yet ... so i can't save it :) |
| 17:56.15 | lizardo | Khertan: no problem :) at the time I worked on the hildon.FileChooserDialog, I had hardtime to discover that you needed the FileSystemModel set to use it |
| 17:56.23 | Khertan | i didn't want to use vi anymore :) |
| 17:56.39 | lizardo | the C documentation was not clear on that regard |
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| 17:58.27 | Khertan | lizardo: héhé ... i use python in the command line with dir() and help() :) |
| 17:58.57 | Khertan | and passing stupid argument give errors saying what is the required arguments |
| 17:58.58 | Khertan | :) |
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| 18:00.08 | lizardo | Khertan: yes, unfortunately help() doesn't work very well for most Python bindings because they usually lack the docstrings... (specially python-hildon), and it does not list the keyword arguments |
| 18:00.45 | Khertan | yep ... just pass wrong argument ... and python say it |
| 18:01.14 | Khertan | or segfault :) |
| 18:02.06 | Khertan | i didn't see nothing about file extension in the hildonfm c documentation !( |
| 18:02.07 | Khertan | :( |
| 18:02.16 | Khertan | is asking to the ml |
| 18:02.50 | Flandry | I may have shot myself in the foot on a packaging decision. |
| 18:05.12 | *** topic/#maemo by javispedro -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | UX meets Code hackfest - http://tinyurl.com/ybl8ytt |
| 18:05.28 | Khertan | Flandry: this time when i want to package something i'm still think that they didn't want command line application in users/* in extras ... so i stop myself doing it |
| 18:06.11 | zaheerm | Khertan, so the inbuilt media player can't handle external subtitles :( |
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| 18:06.28 | Khertan | zaheerm: yep |
| 18:06.29 | zaheerm | Khertan, but it'd be easy to write a gst based media player that did |
| 18:06.39 | VDVsx | javispedro, want did you changed ? o_0 |
| 18:06.42 | Khertan | too bad |
| 18:06.46 | VDVsx | *what |
| 18:06.48 | zaheerm | Khertan, and then would of course use the dsp optimised decoders |
| 18:07.14 | zaheerm | Khertan, i guess a hack could be done to the mafw gst renderer to get it done in the main media player |
| 18:07.24 | javispedro | VDVsx: weird %c2%a0 characters after the URLs which confuse X-Chat |
| 18:07.36 | javispedro | (interpret that as urlencoded string) |
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| 18:08.29 | VDVsx | javispedro, weird, everything seems fine here |
| 18:08.54 | javispedro | VDVsx: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-11-04.log.html#t2009-11-04T22:51:40 |
| 18:08.57 | qwerty12 | javispedro: Oh, to answer your question on Talk: http://bit.ly/4kb77v |
| 18:09.03 | javispedro | VDVsx: notice the links |
| 18:09.20 | javispedro | they confuse the logging bot too. |
| 18:10.03 | javispedro | qwerty12: more evil points. |
| 18:10.14 | javispedro | it's a nice song. |
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| 18:10.48 | qwerty12 | Heh |
| 18:10.50 | VDVsx | javispedro, can't see anything wrong :P, nevermind |
| 18:11.02 | javispedro | VDVsx: try clicking on the maemo.org link on the log! |
| 18:11.47 | VDVsx | javispedro, yup,got it :) |
| 18:12.04 | javispedro | VDVsx: if you don't get a NXDOMAIN I want a copy of your browser |
| 18:12.08 | javispedro | VDVsx: ah, ok :) |
| 18:13.23 | Flandry | is there actually, in fact, a Maemo packaging policy wiki? |
| 18:13.40 | javispedro | I don't know who puts those weird characters there, but I guess it has something to with OS X >:) |
| 18:13.55 | VDVsx | javispedro, grab a copy here: http://www.getfirefox.net/ :P |
| 18:14.18 | javispedro | hehe, but you get a NXDOMAIN :) |
| 18:14.28 | VDVsx | javispedro, do you use OS X ? |
| 18:14.38 | javispedro | nope |
| 18:14.52 | javispedro | I didn't put the characters, I just edited the topic |
| 18:15.01 | VDVsx | blames GAN900 |
| 18:15.22 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uZr3JWYdy8 :) |
| 18:15.44 | javispedro | great game. not usable with the current mouse emu in drnoksnes though :( |
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| 18:18.34 | VDVsx | javispedro, lolol, from where you can upload songs, if this runs in a SNES ? |
| 18:19.02 | javispedro | VDVsx: there are a few "reimaginations" of the original minigame developed for win32 |
| 18:19.20 | VDVsx | humm, ok :) |
| 18:19.22 | javispedro | even though this one seems the real deal |
| 18:19.31 | javispedro | so most probably it was camcorded or emulated on pc |
| 18:19.39 | javispedro | er.. sorry |
| 18:19.47 | javispedro | no, it is not the real deal :) |
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| 18:26.31 | Flandry | What's the right way to create a package for game content that requires no compilation? |
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| 18:27.08 | javispedro | Flandry: grab any existing -data package on extras for a template |
| 18:27.14 | javispedro | the basic idea is Architecture: all |
| 18:27.17 | javispedro | in the control file |
| 18:27.33 | Flandry | ah |
| 18:27.36 | Flandry | instead of any |
| 18:27.45 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:27.59 | javispedro | the autobuilder will only build it in 386 mode then put it in both the 386 and armel repos |
| 18:28.16 | javispedro | (actually will create a "*_all.deb" package |
| 18:28.28 | Flandry | i still specify a source package though? |
| 18:28.35 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:28.40 | Flandry | ok thanks |
| 18:28.46 | javispedro | your rules file will just have instructions to move things around |
| 18:28.54 | Flandry | right |
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| 18:31.13 | Flandry | there has got to be a dummies guide to packaging somewhere to get people started on these things |
| 18:31.49 | ccooke | Oh, yes. Is anyone aware of a decent alarm clock for the n900 yet? |
| 18:31.56 | derf | Just do what everyone else does. Find a package that works and copy what it does. |
| 18:32.11 | ccooke | might end up using bash again :-) |
| 18:33.01 | RST38h | isn't built-in alarm clock enough? |
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| 18:34.19 | RST38h | laughs maniacally: it took Moto Droid to make Google finally FIX mobile GMail |
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| 18:37.09 | Flandry | the problem with imitating prior art is that just because it works doesn't mean it does everything the way it should be done |
| 18:37.39 | Flandry | i create enough errors of my own without propagating upstream ones :D |
| 18:39.11 | javispedro | so, grab the prior art, try to do follow it, then correct it if you find any issues within it. |
| 18:39.29 | javispedro | don't expect to make things better than upstream _by asking upstream_ ;) |
| 18:40.19 | dmj7261 | guys, I think we can do a better video editor than the iphone! |
| 18:40.37 | derf | When it comes to packaging, "having something working" is far more important than "having something perfect". |
| 18:40.40 | ccooke | RST38h: the built-in alarm clock is broken in the same way the n810s was :-/ |
| 18:40.55 | ccooke | namely, it blocks when it produces a dialog box |
| 18:41.21 | derf | If the package is used a lot, any problems will get fixed. If it isn't, they weren't worth fixing. |
| 18:42.15 | ccooke | tends to need two or three alarms to wake up. If the first one doesn't wake me, the second and third won't go off until you respond to the first one's popup. |
| 18:42.37 | Flandry | also a problem when the repository is down... |
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| 18:47.26 | Mousey | oh! you guys'll like this too |
| 18:47.27 | Mousey | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters |
| 18:48.46 | javispedro | why Dalvik. It's also an abomination! |
| 18:49.23 | Flandry | at that point, why not just . . . use Maemo? |
| 18:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, we need more mindshare. |
| 18:51.24 | Flandry | ponders creating an android app called silver-bullet that would kill it |
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| 18:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, Maemo fails spectacularly when the rootfs is fool. No surprises there. ;) |
| 18:59.16 | penguinbait | fool? |
| 18:59.41 | penguinbait | foolish rootfs |
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| 19:04.18 | javispedro | well, unfoolish it |
| 19:05.54 | bilboed | needs to find some UX guys who're coming to bcn who'd like to work on a video editor for N8XX/N900 |
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| 19:06.35 | Suurorca | *stares in utter astonoshment at the android slides* |
| 19:06.51 | Suurorca | how could they f***k it up that bad... |
| 19:07.09 | bilboed | it's google |
| 19:07.11 | Stskeeps | the android mythbusters one? |
| 19:07.24 | kov | does anyone know where can I find the sources for the patched gtk+ used in fremantle? I looked at the gitorious projects, but couldn't find it |
| 19:07.42 | Stskeeps | kov, stage and repository.maemo.org |
| 19:07.45 | kov | the closest I found to that was the mer repository, but that looks a bit outdated |
| 19:08.34 | Stskeeps | Suurorca: those slides made me happy about maemo even if it is sometimes awkward code |
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| 19:08.53 | javispedro | bilboed: i'm sure your get a lot of them, a video editor is something that could potentially be a "star" app |
| 19:08.59 | javispedro | s/your/you'll |
| 19:09.18 | bilboed | nods |
| 19:09.31 | bilboed | javispedro, didn't I see your name in the list of potential attendees ? |
| 19:09.32 | kov | Stskeeps, thank you! |
| 19:10.00 | dmj7261 | bilboed: I'd like to work on a video editor! |
| 19:10.32 | bilboed | basically the deal is this : I can create all the lower-level/middleware needed to make one |
| 19:10.32 | dmj7261 | not sure about making it to Barthelona though? |
| 19:10.40 | bilboed | but I totally/utterly/completely suck at UI |
| 19:10.44 | javispedro | bilboed: I'm on the "long weeked" attendees list |
| 19:10.49 | bilboed | javispedro, yay |
| 19:11.05 | dmj7261 | I sketched out a ui for a video editor just now on a deck of cards. |
| 19:11.31 | bilboed | neat |
| 19:11.53 | bilboed | I'll be piling up ideas/code for the weekend, got other stuff in the meantime |
| 19:12.01 | dmj7261 | it's not the cleanest ui, but I was trying to cram a lot of functionality in. |
| 19:12.18 | bilboed | but will most likely do a small talk about what's available, what can be done, what needs to be done from a middleware/lower-level point-of-view |
| 19:12.49 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: is there a list of maemo components vs whats in mer, btw? |
| 19:12.51 | dmj7261 | bilboed: Have you done work on video editing before? |
| 19:12.56 | bilboed | dmj7261, I wrote pitivi |
| 19:13.01 | dmj7261 | oh great! |
| 19:13.19 | dmj7261 | would you like to see my sketch? |
| 19:13.24 | derf | bilboed: :) |
| 19:13.35 | bilboed | derf, you ? here ? :) |
| 19:13.49 | derf | I've been here for like, 2 and a half years. |
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| 19:14.11 | bilboed | guys, I've got to go pick up my gf who came back from a 10 day trip abroad... so I'm gonna be afk for some time. But I'll be back for further details. Just wanted to plant the seeds |
| 19:14.28 | bilboed | derf, same for me I guess... but never really talked/chatted :) |
| 19:14.50 | RST38h | derf: too long. |
| 19:14.55 | derf | RST38h: No joke. |
| 19:15.22 | bilboed | basically... the first thing I told Nokia when they presented the N770 at Guadec 2005 was ... "I want pitivi on that" |
| 19:15.26 | bilboed | time to make that a reality :) |
| 19:15.35 | bilboed | gets the $#@*($# out of here |
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| 19:15.47 | RST38h | has been using IRC since 1993 or so |
| 19:15.57 | RST38h | Long, LONG time |
| 19:16.18 | Stskeeps | Robot101: working on openness data and using that i will generate a list |
| 19:16.21 | GeneralAntilles | Suurorca, really not surprised here. ;) |
| 19:16.55 | Stskeeps | Robot101: any special wishes? |
| 19:17.36 | RST38h | Comcast's COO, Steve Burke, recently urged the TV industry to find ways to "get consumers to change" rather than figure out better methods to cater to demand. |
| 19:18.16 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: we're pondering a project based on Mer for a client, wanted to know if there was any information lying around about the gaps between it and Maemo |
| 19:19.11 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: the obvious stuff is the apps but we can pick apps from the Maemo communoty, or modify GNOME or Moblin things, and a bunch of Mer bits need updating for the final Fremantle versions of stuff |
| 19:19.36 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: but I'm more concerned about the hidden stuff behind the curtain, the little plugins, daemons and patches which you don't find unless you really dig :) |
| 19:19.57 | Robot101 | like dsme. what does it really do? watchdog and, er, misc, and other. and turn the display controller off while X is trying to use it. :) |
| 19:20.19 | Robot101 | some policy things behind the curtains, like badgering audio/video/etc |
| 19:20.25 | Robot101 | bunch of pulseaudio plugins |
| 19:20.33 | Robot101 | everyone's favourite sgx drivers |
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| 19:20.55 | Stskeeps | Robot101: :nod: pulse is not our strongest area but we do have it from ubuntu |
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| 19:21.13 | Robot101 | pulse is ass on the desktop for voip calls too |
| 19:21.18 | Robot101 | no echo cancellation or audio enhancements at all |
| 19:21.37 | Robot101 | voip calls sound 10 times better on the N900 versus my laptop for basically that reason |
| 19:21.49 | Robot101 | free software fails quite badly at echo cancellation |
| 19:21.55 | Stskeeps | we practically take what we can get our hands on. check OBS, Maemo:Mer:Devel:MaemoCommon |
| 19:22.35 | Robot101 | how deep does that go? if there are little tweaks to libfoo and libbar in maemo but not in ubuntu, do you pull those in? |
| 19:22.56 | Stskeeps | depends if they are functionally relevant |
| 19:23.17 | Robot101 | is the goal specifically to be a port of maemo "userland" onto ubuntu baseline, or is it basically to re-integrate every maemo component possible using ubuntu/OBS infrastructure? |
| 19:23.23 | Robot101 | or, somewhere between the two |
| 19:24.18 | Flandry | Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' |
| 19:24.38 | derf | Robot101: What free echo cancellers have you tried? |
| 19:24.46 | Flandry | Is this some comcast fail or is the problem on maemo end? |
| 19:24.56 | Stskeeps | mm. can i answer when im home? |
| 19:25.45 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: sure, didn't mean to bother you |
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| 19:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, as a Comcast customer, I'm strongly inclined to blame them for connection issues 100% of the time. |
| 19:26.50 | Stskeeps | Robot101: nah, i shouldnt irc when walking :P |
| 19:26.58 | Flandry | oh, a fellow sodomite |
| 19:27.19 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: haha... N900 are waaay too addictive :) |
| 19:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | Flandry, worst part is, I came from using Bright House. |
| 19:27.33 | GeneralAntilles | Which is worlds better than FiOS, even. |
| 19:28.05 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101 is going to be responsible for Stskeeps getting hit by a bus. |
| 19:28.42 | Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: me and the rest of the maemo developers...? :D |
| 19:28.53 | Flandry | mmm |
| 19:29.04 | Robot101 | doesn't have enough crack on his device |
| 19:29.11 | Robot101 | adds extras-devel too |
| 19:29.15 | Flandry | i can ping the repository fine from the box |
| 19:29.31 | Flandry | why does it fail to resolve for apt :/ |
| 19:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101, nah, just you specifically since you're the one distracting him right now. :P |
| 19:30.13 | qwerty12_N900 | Flandry: standard answer: check /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and the target's /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:30.13 | Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: if he wasn't on IRC with me, he'd just be on facebook or twitter or talk.maemo.org :) |
| 19:30.32 | Flandry | resolv.conf is the same in both this time |
| 19:30.36 | GeneralAntilles | Robot101, we're all in Talkaholics Anonymous here. |
| 19:30.37 | Flandry | that did work last time though ;) |
| 19:31.37 | Robot101 | GeneralAntilles: I get on really really badly with web forums, so I'm clean at the moment |
| 19:31.44 | Robot101 | would like an NNTP gateway... :D |
| 19:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | is 46 hours clean. |
| 19:32.24 | GeneralAntilles | Dropping Talk felt even better than when I unsubbed from -users. |
| 19:32.46 | qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Oh, BTW, I resent your remark about me wanting one-handed usage and access to certain sites. You know I could care less about portrait mode! |
| 19:32.50 | Flandry | added a known good dns to resolv and it works |
| 19:32.55 | Flandry | yay for comcast |
| 19:33.33 | Flandry | i don't know enough about linux networking to know why putting the repo in hosts didn't work though |
| 19:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, psh. |
| 19:34.00 | GeneralAntilles | Resemble, more like. |
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| 19:35.46 | qwerty12_N900 | I've got a good idea for Talk's front page: One of those Javascript IRC clients that will take you straight into #maemo... |
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| 19:36.01 | javispedro | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo |
| 19:36.06 | Suurorca | nnnoooo |
| 19:36.11 | GeneralAntilles | foams at the mouth. |
| 19:36.28 | qwerty12_N900 | Should I add it to Brainstorm? =) |
| 19:36.32 | javispedro | I have an even better idea, say this is the "official sales channel" |
| 19:36.41 | javispedro | and don't put "when is it released" in the FAQ. |
| 19:36.55 | qwerty12_N900 | "Get your N8X0 3D drivers here!" |
| 19:37.01 | Mousey | perks up |
| 19:37.02 | Mousey | ? |
| 19:37.03 | javispedro | wants |
| 19:37.58 | Mousey | oh |
| 19:38.01 | Mousey | its a SHAM |
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| 19:38.04 | Mousey | lurks |
| 19:38.11 | javispedro | heh |
| 19:38.36 | fiferboy | VDVsx, anyone else that uses personal-photo-frame: Could you comment on bug #6035 ? |
| 19:38.39 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6035 Make better use of the widget space |
| 19:39.14 | fiferboy | VDVsx: I know you have already commented, but I have outline a solution that I would like feedback on L) |
| 19:39.20 | fiferboy | s/L)/:)/ |
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| 19:43.43 | Flandry | using openttd-data as an example may have been a bad idea |
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| 19:44.20 | javispedro | Flandry: yes |
| 19:44.54 | javispedro | unless your plan is to also allow Maemo4 "install-to-card" compatibility |
| 19:45.05 | Flandry | there's not even a control file here for -data oO |
| 19:45.24 | Flandry | oh that's what that mess is for |
| 19:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | Quick poll for those of you with N900s: do you shoot in widescreen or fullscreen mode? |
| 19:45.52 | javispedro | not only that, but the same source package builds for most maemo versions. |
| 19:46.57 | Flandry | was that one of those "just because you can" things? |
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| 19:47.36 | javispedro | more like "because I was not going to do otherwise" things |
| 19:48.20 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: With this camera - widescreen. I don't think the extra pixels buy me much |
| 19:48.47 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, photoframe defaults to fullscreen, right? |
| 19:49.12 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: There isn't really a fullscreen right now (too many layout problems) |
| 19:49.16 | fiferboy | I think it defaults to medium |
| 19:49.45 | fiferboy | Yep, medium. 315 pixels square |
| 19:49.46 | GeneralAntilles | Erm, sorry, ratio, not size. |
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| 19:50.09 | fiferboy | Oh. It will display whatever ratio your photo is at |
| 19:50.34 | fiferboy | It maintains aspect ratio. So the closer you are to 1:1 the large the aparent size |
| 19:50.45 | fiferboy | s/typos/fixed/ |
| 19:50.57 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, maybe it didn't in an older version? |
| 19:51.21 | fiferboy | It didn't auto rotate in the older version, but the aspect ratio should always have worked |
| 19:51.29 | fiferboy | You seeing a problem? |
| 19:52.20 | GeneralAntilles | Only from memory. |
| 19:52.41 | fiferboy | Your memory? Or photos on the phones internal memory? :) |
| 19:52.53 | GeneralAntilles | My memory. ;) |
| 19:53.06 | fiferboy | File a bug, but I don't think I'll be able to fix it... |
| 19:53.07 | fiferboy | :) |
| 19:53.56 | fiferboy | Bug description: I remember your widget not working, but it actually works spectacularly well |
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| 19:56.13 | Flandry | sigh |
| 19:56.33 | Flandry | there's no control file for supertux-data-stable |
| 19:56.51 | Flandry | i'm apparently more confused than i thought |
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| 19:57.50 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 19:57.51 | javispedro | ok |
| 19:58.13 | javispedro | do m4 < debian/control.m4 > debian/control |
| 19:58.22 | javispedro | and you'll get your control file :) |
| 19:59.01 | javispedro | or at least, the interesting parts of it. |
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| 19:59.29 | Flandry | there is no control.m4 file |
| 20:00.10 | Flandry | 208.50.77.144 repository.maemo.org |
| 20:00.17 | Flandry | oops sorry |
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| 20:00.52 | javispedro | Flandry: where are you looking at exactly? Package: supertux-data-stable |
| 20:01.03 | Flandry | yes |
| 20:01.16 | javispedro | supertux-stable-0.1.3] > ls debian/control |
| 20:01.16 | javispedro | debian/control |
| 20:01.56 | Stskeeps | Robot101: main direction is along the lines of having a fully portable maemo platform that is shared between mer and maemo (all the common stuff), mer bases on top of ubuntu, maemo bases on what they want, maemo is targetted for nokia devices and has properitary stuff in their core, mer is controlled by community and has 100% oss core, but may have closed stuff in hw support |
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| 20:02.27 | Stskeeps | an app that is developed towards maemo platform api should run on both :P |
| 20:02.50 | Flandry | that's the control file for supertux-stable |
| 20:03.00 | Flandry | which is why i'm confused |
| 20:03.03 | javispedro | Flandry: look at it carefully. specially at the bottom. |
| 20:03.09 | javispedro | supertux-stable is the source package name |
| 20:03.18 | javispedro | a source package can build into more than one package |
| 20:03.28 | Flandry | oh poo |
| 20:03.51 | javispedro | Flandry: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:03.54 | Flandry | didn't look after the uu garbage |
| 20:04.21 | Flandry | i've been through that a few times |
| 20:04.48 | Stskeeps | Robot101: so if api demands we patch a lib with something, we do that.. we did that in glib and gtk for instance |
| 20:05.13 | Flandry | but seeing the other package at the bottom helps |
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| 20:07.08 | Stskeeps | Robot101: gaps are mostly on version levels as we didn't finish updating everything to final SDK just yet |
| 20:07.17 | Stskeeps | and sometimes we might even be ahead in versions from SDK |
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| 20:10.50 | Flandry | well, it's hard to know exactly which rules are required for the data package, but it looks like what i'm already doing |
| 20:11.35 | Flandry | the Architecture: all is the main thing |
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| 20:12.03 | javispedro | some then consider separate binary-arch and binary-indep rule sets in their rules file |
| 20:13.31 | Robot101 | erk |
| 20:13.38 | Robot101 | emerillon needs some hildinification :) |
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| 20:35.26 | greenfly | qwerty12_N900: figured out how to at least modify the keyboard shortcut bar for the xterm |
| 20:37.27 | RST38h | http://crave.cnet.co.uk/software/0,39029471,49304156,00.htm |
| 20:38.00 | qwerty12_N900 | greenfly: By playing with its GConf keys? :) |
| 20:38.08 | greenfly | qwerty12_N900: yup |
| 20:38.15 | greenfly | still can't seem to get a Meta or Alt key though |
| 20:39.21 | greenfly | but at least I have quick access to | |
| 20:43.04 | greenfly | oh, wow. I can't believe I went this long without realizing Esc in a terminal does the same thing as Alt(Meta) |
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| 20:50.35 | wiretapped | greenfly: i use the UK layout so shift-! is | |
| 20:50.53 | wiretapped | and - is available without shift |
| 20:51.39 | greenfly | wiretapped: interesting... |
| 20:51.39 | wiretapped | the uk layout is much more terminal-friendly |
| 20:52.00 | greenfly | basically I just wanted to be able to more easily shift between windows in irssi |
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| 20:52.14 | greenfly | so I was trying to get Meta working, until just now when I found out I could use Esc |
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| 20:52.52 | wiretapped | nice, i didn't realize you could do that before :) |
| 20:53.11 | wiretapped | has been typing /win<tab> # |
| 20:53.47 | greenfly | yeah same here :) |
| 20:54.10 | greenfly | but then, it took me years of using irssi before I saw someone mention that Meta-q takes you to window 11, meta-w window 12, and so on |
| 20:54.29 | greenfly | I used to try to keep things limited to just 10 windows for that reason |
| 20:55.03 | yuizy | i use ctrl+w and ctrl+t for going to previous and next window |
| 20:55.05 | yuizy | in my n810 |
| 20:55.36 | yuizy | (not in default binds) |
| 20:56.52 | wiretapped | picks up his jaw from the floor |
| 20:56.59 | wiretapped | o m g |
| 20:57.12 | wiretapped | is really glad he popped in to #maemo just now |
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| 20:58.18 | w00t | hugs meta+a |
| 20:58.23 | w00t | and window_switcher.pl |
| 20:58.26 | w00t | blessings. |
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| 20:59.53 | dmj7261 | is the n900 screen very slightly smaller than the iphone one? |
| 20:59.54 | wiretapped | just discovered meta-a also |
| 21:00.37 | wiretapped | has 30 windows open and is finally learning irssi window management keys |
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| 21:03.09 | w00t | wiretapped: get window_switcher.pl |
| 21:03.09 | greenfly | yeah now that irssi is manageable on the n900 all that's left for me is a few browser UI changes to make google reader sane, and some way to sync multiple google calendars |
| 21:03.13 | w00t | you will never look back |
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| 21:09.44 | dmj7261 | could someone report the width and height of the screen in mm? |
| 21:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, it's 15:9 |
| 21:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, 3.5" diagonal |
| 21:10.40 | GeneralAntilles | Trigomometry. |
| 21:11.28 | dmj7261 | yeah, but I heard that it was 45 mm by 75 mm, which is slightly smaller, particularly the height. |
| 21:11.50 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone is 16:9 |
| 21:12.18 | GeneralAntilles | 3.5" is always a bigger area the closer you get to 1:1. |
| 21:12.26 | SpeedEvil | xdpyinfo? |
| 21:12.48 | SpeedEvil | (to circular) |
| 21:12.51 | dmj7261 | http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=369888 |
| 21:13.54 | GeneralAntilles | 211x127mw is what that claims |
| 21:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | s/mw/mm/ |
| 21:14.42 | SpeedEvil | 311*127mm would be nice for a 3.5" screen |
| 21:16.11 | dmj7261 | ...hmm |
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| 21:16.49 | yuizy | does n900 have a "Tab" key? |
| 21:16.56 | dmj7261 | n900 has a 3.44 inch display according to that, while iphone is actually 3.6 |
| 21:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | yuizy, no, but it's simple enough to bind one. |
| 21:18.17 | yuizy | k |
| 21:18.22 | greenfly | yuizy: or you can use Ctrl-i in a terminal |
| 21:18.42 | yuizy | well i don't want to ctrl+something |
| 21:18.59 | greenfly | the xterm has the Tab shortcut button in the toolbar |
| 21:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | It wont kill you. |
| 21:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | We promise. |
| 21:19.11 | yuizy | i use tab as alt+a in all other platforms |
| 21:19.24 | yuizy | it makes idling at irc much easier |
| 21:19.47 | greenfly | yuizy: the xterm has that Ctrl lock on the toolbar |
| 21:19.47 | yuizy | you need two hands for pressing to ctrl+i |
| 21:19.55 | greenfly | just engage that and then hit 'i' a bunch |
| 21:20.03 | yuizy | come on |
| 21:20.10 | yuizy | requires two presses |
| 21:20.19 | yuizy | :D |
| 21:20.24 | greenfly | requires a press to lock it, but then each i press sends a tab |
| 21:20.28 | greenfly | until you unlock ctrl |
| 21:20.41 | yuizy | too hard for me |
| 21:20.45 | greenfly | or you could hit the tab shortcut on the toolbar. just one press |
| 21:21.11 | GeneralAntilles | yuizy, you need two hands to hold the N900. :) |
| 21:21.13 | greenfly | sounds like you need to invest in a bt keyboard then |
| 21:21.26 | yuizy | GeneralAntilles: really? |
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| 21:21.32 | yuizy | is it that big |
| 21:21.35 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 21:21.43 | GeneralAntilles | It's just pointless trying to one-thumb the keyboard. |
| 21:21.49 | GeneralAntilles | It'll be unbalanced and wont work well. |
| 21:21.49 | greenfly | ^^ |
| 21:21.55 | yuizy | :( |
| 21:22.05 | GeneralAntilles | yuizy, :roll: |
| 21:22.12 | greenfly | yuizy: for irssi it'll be easy for you |
| 21:22.21 | yuizy | i can just rebind some other key |
| 21:22.21 | greenfly | yuizy: the xterm has touch-screen shortcuts along the bottom |
| 21:22.24 | greenfly | Tab is one of them |
| 21:22.26 | yuizy | ok |
| 21:22.36 | yuizy | then i can use only one hand |
| 21:22.38 | greenfly | so you can even slide the keyboard back in, and just hit Tab on the screen |
| 21:22.52 | yuizy | i.e. if i'm walking it's easier to use only one hand |
| 21:35.37 | javispedro | this is what happens when you hack around hildon-desktop too much --> http://depot.javispedro.com/er.png |
| 21:35.50 | greenfly | heh oops |
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| 21:36.48 | RST38h | oh, I know this picture |
| 21:38.02 | javispedro | RST38h: from? |
| 21:38.17 | javispedro | I'm trying to guess what's going on. I think I've pinpointed it to the glReadPixels call |
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| 21:42.57 | RST38h | javis: well, pixel format is wrong |
| 21:43.11 | RST38h | javis: and the line width too, judging from the way it is shifted |
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| 21:43.34 | zemm | i just found out there is actually s60 putty with touch ui that has 4-way swipe gestures: bind left/right-swipes to alt+left/right-keys and up/down-swipes to page up/down -keys.. and now i'm afraid that mobile irssi experience will degrade with switch to n900 :'( |
| 21:43.43 | javispedro | RST38h: I think its random though. |
| 21:44.04 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 21:44.19 | RST38h | javis: It may, but there does seem to be a pattern to it |
| 21:44.21 | ShadowJK | putty on s60 degraded alot for me when they switched to that stupid dialpad emulation thingy for non-keyboard symbols :/ |
| 21:44.56 | zemm | but the swipes are still amazing for scrolling and window switching ;( |
| 21:44.57 | javispedro | RST38h: yeah, there's always a pattern, but the data changes. now I'm in front of a completely white one with periodic red stripes |
| 21:45.09 | javispedro | while the texture should've been the same |
| 21:45.19 | RST38h | hm |
| 21:45.29 | RST38h | so it copies random garbage there |
| 21:45.38 | javispedro | seems so. |
| 21:45.44 | javispedro | do you think that is blurred? |
| 21:45.55 | javispedro | I have my doubts with so large pixels |
| 21:46.00 | RST38h | no, it is just garbage if it changes so much from time to time |
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| 21:48.16 | javispedro | the animation is awful. I don't know if more random data is being introduced as part of the blurring animation algorithm or its just an artifact of trying to blur such an high frequency artifact |
| 21:48.28 | javispedro | *high frequency image |
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| 21:49.08 | ddd | is there a way to create a top level x window with an absolute position? |
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| 22:19.27 | dmj7261 | zaheerm: What do you think about pitivi as a candidate for maemo? |
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| 22:23.16 | Stskeeps | javispedro: feel free to send ameet a mail asking about status, the more people asking the more likely we get a good answer i guess |
| 22:23.24 | Stskeeps | judging from my own large inbox queues |
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| 22:25.08 | javispedro | think so? |
| 22:25.18 | javispedro | ok, will do once.... |
| 22:25.34 | Stskeeps | the longer a mail goes unanswered the more likely it is it's lost |
| 22:29.26 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/06/openofficemouse-isnt-free-isnt-pretty/ <- this is why hw design by commitee doesn't work. |
| 22:29.57 | javispedro | ah, slashdot was getting that story but the site is slashdotted so I couldn't see an actual picture of the abomination |
| 22:30.06 | javispedro | interesting |
| 22:30.15 | javispedro | I wonder if that allows one to use Blender more comfortably. |
| 22:30.23 | RST38h | Gentlemen, has pokerth been optified? |
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| 22:31.19 | RST38h | Sts: The mouse does not look too bad |
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| 22:35.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, PokerTH has, boost has not. |
| 22:35.22 | GeneralAntilles | Boost outweighs PokerTH, unfortunately. |
| 22:35.36 | javispedro | ouch. |
| 22:35.44 | javispedro | why I'm sure boost is nokia? |
| 22:35.52 | GeneralAntilles | INdT |
| 22:35.56 | GeneralAntilles | lizardo is working on it, apparently. |
| 22:36.08 | javispedro | ah, good :) |
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| 22:40.03 | RST38h | General: Oh. |
| 22:40.17 | RST38h | Boost is that monstrous C++ library? |
| 22:40.25 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 22:45.23 | RST38h | urgh |
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| 22:52.27 | pupnik | just watched 'The Scent of Green Papaya'.. if you are into existential shit, it is good |
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| 23:10.59 | wazd | Stskeeps: razer already did it so wth :D |
| 23:11.18 | wazd | http://www.mydigitallife.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/razer-naga.jpg |
| 23:12.26 | acidjazz | http://i33.tinypic.com/scroe8.jpg |
| 23:12.43 | pupnik | acidjazz: check out http://stream.ath.cx:13300 |
| 23:12.51 | wazd | Red Alert 3 is really epic |
| 23:13.01 | pupnik | right now |
| 23:13.05 | wazd | "So much money! So much borsch we can buy!" |
| 23:13.11 | acidjazz | no sound |
| 23:13.18 | wazd | jeez, I was like under the table :D |
| 23:13.28 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.43 | pupnik | might be your thing man |
| 23:14.08 | pupnik | i got some groove goin on here lemme tell you |
| 23:14.17 | pupnik | dancing ghosts |
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| 23:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | throws a rock at lbt. |
| 23:37.27 | lbt | has ADSL up/down issues.... just seeing if it's alive... |
| 23:37.38 | lbt | (35 second ping!) |
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| 23:37.48 | lbt | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters |
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| 23:38.03 | lbt | and for VDVsx too http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2009/11/04/#20091104-android_mythbusters |
| 23:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, yeah, I feel so vindicated. ;) |
| 23:38.08 | lcuk | lbt, could be worse |
| 23:38.59 | VDVsx | lbt, I saw it on planet openmoko :) |
| 23:39.20 | lbt | it's been a busy day... 5 min catchup b4 bed |
| 23:40.09 | lbt | but too good not to post (even if it's old news) :D |
| 23:40.09 | VDVsx | ehhehe |
| 23:40.18 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody needs to mirror it to Planet Maemo. ;) |
| 23:40.24 | GeneralAntilles | You'll get some big karma for that. ;) |
| 23:40.43 | VDVsx | the only surprise there, was udev, the rest I already knew |
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| 23:41.06 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: I was doing just that :) |
| 23:41.22 | VDVsx | and the thing about the harcoded values...scary :P |
| 23:41.30 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, if it passes spellcheck I may even just heart it for you. *g* |
| 23:42.08 | VDVsx | lol |
| 23:42.27 | VDVsx | seems that moto droid is selling well in the US |
| 23:42.38 | VDVsx | according to eldar :P |
| 23:42.42 | VDVsx | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/statuses/5492426331 |
| 23:43.12 | javispedro | "Indeed, Appleâs engineers are likely to pay close attention to the N900." |
| 23:43.18 | GeneralAntilles | The dummy unit I tried at Best Buy felt awful. |
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| 23:44.27 | VDVsx | lcuk, congrats ;) |
| 23:45.40 | javispedro | ohmy ohmy ohmy! |
| 23:45.44 | javispedro | oziexplorer coming to maemo! |
| 23:45.48 | lcuk | thanks VDVsx :) |
| 23:46.01 | VDVsx | javispedro, no |
| 23:46.06 | VDVsx | he gonna be daddy again :P |
| 23:46.20 | javispedro | VDVsx: oh, didn't hear that part. |
| 23:46.21 | VDVsx | is a liar |
| 23:46.28 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 23:46.47 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, Talk nonsense I'm missing, I assume? |
| 23:46.49 | VDVsx | lcuk, ^ |
| 23:46.54 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: mostly. |
| 23:47.21 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: I wouldn't call nonsense to a newb come in announce he just bought a n810 and talk about porting his ozi-like application |
| 23:47.44 | javispedro | at least it's not the usual WHY THERE ARE STILL NO 3D DRIVERS |
| 23:47.45 | javispedro | er... |
| 23:47.51 | javispedro | WHY IS THE PHONE NOT RELEASED YET. |
| 23:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, it feels good not to know. |
| 23:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | plays DS in the back seat with Jaffa. |
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| 23:48.45 | greenfly | heh, n900 release being pushed back a few weeks is nothing... I'm an openpandora pre-orderer :) |
| 23:48.54 | VDVsx | javispedro, what's that ozi thing ? |
| 23:49.17 | javispedro | VDVsx: a mapping app. |
| 23:49.26 | VDVsx | javispedro, link ? |
| 23:49.37 | greenfly | VDVsx: I was able to find it with a google search for the app's name |
| 23:49.38 | javispedro | lcuk: (finally realizing what's going on after reading your twitter) congrats! |
| 23:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk! |
| 23:50.14 | VDVsx | javispedro, do you twitt ? |
| 23:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | Collabora? |
| 23:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome! |
| 23:50.23 | lcuk | ta :), and yeah gen |
| 23:50.25 | javispedro | VDVsx: nope |
| 23:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, is the world a brighter place now? ;) |
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| 23:51.07 | lcuk | indeed gan :) |
| 23:51.13 | javispedro | :) |
| 23:51.20 | lcuk | plus, it might get a bit quieter around here ;) |
| 23:52.19 | javispedro | hey, Collabora has an office here iirc |
| 23:52.32 | lcuk | they have one in cambridge too |
| 23:52.57 | VDVsx | will laugh so loud if lcuk have to moves to London area , muahahaah |
| 23:53.10 | lcuk | VDVsx, cambridge area :) |
| 23:53.10 | pupnik | greenfly: i was a bit skeptical last year but i thought spring-summer was doable. shows how little we know. |
| 23:53.11 | VDVsx | *move |
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| 23:53.21 | lbt | g'night all :) |
| 23:53.24 | greenfly | pupnik: heh, I think it shows how little /they/ know :) |
| 23:53.25 | pupnik | nite |
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| 23:53.26 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, heard the news ? |
| 23:53.30 | lcuk | i thought about london, but that would be too close to qwerty12_N900 |
| 23:53.47 | pupnik | greenfly: they is we, moreso than with other projects. |
| 23:53.53 | VDVsx | lcuk, cambridge is south |
| 23:53.54 | VDVsx | muhuhuhuuh |
| 23:54.04 | greenfly | pupnik: true |
| 23:54.17 | javispedro | puts cambridge and manchester in google maps only to get a map of massachusetts. hmpf. |
| 23:54.34 | lcuk | javispedro, your typing sucks |
| 23:54.44 | greenfly | it's funny, for me the n900 is fulfilling the role the openpandora was going to fill |
| 23:54.48 | VDVsx | cambridge is like 30~40 km from center london, right ? |
| 23:54.49 | lcuk | VDVsx, still north of qwerty |
| 23:55.02 | VDVsx | probably less |
| 23:56.25 | VDVsx | oh, maps says around 100km |
| 23:57.58 | VDVsx | javispedro, btw, the ozi thing is a Windows app, lol |
| 23:58.15 | javispedro | VDVsx: I know, but this guy says to be reimplementing it. |
| 23:58.32 | javispedro | http://code.google.com/p/ozex/ |
| 23:58.33 | VDVsx | eehhe |
| 23:59.17 | VDVsx | like that part "Sorry, but other info is only in Russian yet. " |
| 23:59.19 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 23:59.27 | javispedro | yeah, that throw me off a bit. |
