| 00:00.52 | lardman | GAN900: yeah |
| 00:01.02 | lardman | lcuk: works as a headset on the N810 |
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| 00:01.28 | lcuk | and half works as a headset here. bug |
| 00:01.58 | guaka | would it work just to copy everything from a N900 root system, put that on a memory card and boot from that, somehow? |
| 00:02.19 | lcuk | but you do not have a spare n900 to even consider it |
| 00:02.25 | lardman | how long does it take for a package to get moved to extras-devel after building? |
| 00:02.28 | lcuk | follow up on your bug |
| 00:02.37 | lcuk | about 40 mins i think |
| 00:02.39 | lcuk | depends on timing |
| 00:02.57 | lardman | ah ok, no wonder I can't get emerillon to build yet then |
| 00:03.08 | lcuk | yeah |
| 00:03.10 | guaka | lcuk, but there are plenty of people who have an N900 that's still working... |
| 00:03.11 | lcuk | libs are hard |
| 00:03.19 | lcuk | the delay gets me everytime |
| 00:04.22 | lcuk | lardman, packages interface shows events. http://maemo.org/packages/view/libliqbase1/ |
| 00:04.26 | lcuk | with timestamps |
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| 00:07.21 | lardman | I get 4 lines, top two are i386, bottom two armel |
| 00:07.37 | tekonivel | what's the use of pixelpipe, if sharing is already supported by maemo? |
| 00:07.45 | tekonivel | what's the extra value? |
| 00:08.00 | lardman | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libethos-1.0-1 |
| 00:08.15 | lcuk | lardman, missing "imported" event |
| 00:08.22 | lardman | ah, ok |
| 00:08.40 | lcuk | so its passed through autobuilder |
| 00:08.42 | lcuk | but in limbo |
| 00:09.00 | lardman | in which case I'll hit the sack and upload emerillon again tomorrow |
| 00:09.08 | realitygaps | lardman: i had the headset problem when i upgraded the packages with apt-get but it was fixed when i upgraded the held back packages |
| 00:09.11 | lcuk | gnite simon |
| 00:09.15 | tekonivel | some evil middleman will get to know what i'm sharing... |
| 00:09.47 | lcuk | i thought pixelpipe was automatic? |
| 00:09.54 | lcuk | or am i mixing that up with the vid one |
| 00:10.05 | lardman | night all |
| 00:10.10 | lcuk | RT: @big_ben_clock |
| 00:10.10 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.10 | lcuk | BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG BONG |
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| 00:11.19 | tekonivel | the web is useless for finding information about fresh products like pixelpipe, it's all copy/paste from the marketing material and the product blog or someone hyping it up at a fair :( |
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| 00:11.46 | guaka | could I try flashing the n810 bootloader onto my temporary fancy brick? |
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| 00:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | Even if it would let you, no. |
| 00:12.17 | GeneralAntilles | Doing that would turn it from a pseudo brick into a real brick. |
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| 00:14.07 | lcuk | gnite folks \o |
| 00:15.44 | VDVsx | bed time, gnite :) |
| 00:21.57 | kami | I'm leaving too, gn8 @ll |
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| 00:25.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ |
| 00:25.31 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 00:25.41 | GeneralAntilles | The Mozilla guys are super spammy. |
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| 01:26.14 | infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-71-190-134-45.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 1h 59m 26s ago, saying: ':) http://xceleo.org/odz.png odz ftw'. |
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| 01:37.03 | stelt | wonders how well simulating a compass based on gps+map+accellerometer would work |
| 01:37.29 | SpeedEvil | Not. |
| 01:37.43 | SpeedEvil | Accellerometer is essentially useless for this. |
| 01:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Unless you can say something about its reference frame - for example that it's in a car holder |
| 01:38.29 | SpeedEvil | (and you assume the car isn't doing drifts) |
| 01:38.35 | stelt | i'm assuming calibration indeed |
| 01:38.40 | Sho_ | SpeedEvil: unless you can get the user to run in a circle |
| 01:38.48 | Sho_ | :) |
| 01:39.09 | SpeedEvil | stelt: if it's in a car holder, it's not impossible. |
| 01:39.19 | SpeedEvil | stelt: If it's handheld it's useless. |
| 01:39.58 | SpeedEvil | You can't disentangle the way the user is holding the phone from the movements of the phone. |
| 01:40.28 | SpeedEvil | And in principle you can't detect rotations about the gravity axis - which is a kind of key feature for a compass. |
| 01:40.34 | pupnik_ | have you seen video feedback? |
| 01:40.54 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at the Android thread. |
| 01:40.57 | GeneralAntilles | Android people are so silly. |
| 01:41.02 | stelt | I thought the acc... worked on all axes |
| 01:41.02 | SpeedEvil | You can fake it in a car, as you can read the lateral accelleration, and you know the minimum turrning circle, and that it's actually more-or-less flat. |
| 01:41.12 | SpeedEvil | stelt: it does - but that doesn't help at all |
| 01:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=364144&postcount=141 Classic |
| 01:41.30 | SpeedEvil | stelt: it tells you where a pendulum hung off the bottom of the device would point. |
| 01:41.45 | SpeedEvil | stelt: however it cannot tell you any more information than this. |
| 01:42.24 | SpeedEvil | stelt: If you rotate the device about the vertical axis - then there is no change in output from the accelerometer - as down is always pointing the same way |
| 01:42.50 | stelt | i understand, thanks. No Layar type of applications on the n900 then :-( |
| 01:43.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - they're not so easy in some ways. |
| 01:44.00 | SpeedEvil | If you can cope with forward = up - then it can be faked |
| 01:44.42 | SpeedEvil | but - you can't get it so that you can turn in a circle holding the device and it tracks your turn. Unfortunately. |
| 01:45.05 | SpeedEvil | (barring wackiness with the camera) |
| 01:45.54 | ali1234 | actually.... you could do something. if you compare the direction of motion from gps with the accelerometer reading, you can calculate the relative rotation |
| 01:46.05 | SpeedEvil | no, you can't. |
| 01:46.09 | ali1234 | yes, you can |
| 01:46.22 | SpeedEvil | You have to start making assumptions about the way the n900 is being held. |
| 01:46.24 | ali1234 | only while moving though |
| 01:46.26 | ali1234 | nope |
| 01:46.39 | stelt | when you're rotating on the spot, there's no difference in gps coordinates |
| 01:46.50 | ali1234 | because if you're moving in a constant direction, and the orientation changes, that will register as an accelration |
| 01:46.58 | SpeedEvil | The problem with that sort of approach is that in principle some of them might work. |
| 01:47.00 | ali1234 | it only works while moving |
| 01:47.17 | SpeedEvil | But, the accellerometer is quite noisy. And the GPS position updates once a second, and is very noisy |
| 01:47.31 | SpeedEvil | this pretty much wrecks any attempt at being clever. |
| 01:48.04 | stelt | video camera might help, though more complex |
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| 01:48.56 | SpeedEvil | I've done some numbers a while back - in some limited situations you can use it. That's the case when it's in a car - as you can solve for lateral accelleration, and lateral accelleration = turn, if you assume you knew the speed, then you can work out the turn radius. |
| 01:49.39 | SpeedEvil | But noise rapidly builds up then. The accelleration noise is of the order of 1cm/s^2 - after 100s you're 1m/s out, and 50m out of position. |
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| 01:54.25 | stelt | calibrate it by aiming the videocamera at an old-fashioned compass every time you stop to do a slow 'augmented reality' look around then |
| 01:54.52 | SpeedEvil | AR is some way off - you need a hell of a lot of data for it to work |
| 01:54.56 | SpeedEvil | work well |
| 01:55.24 | ali1234 | even with a digital compass AR would still suck |
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| 01:56.07 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: why? - other than the lack of data? |
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| 01:56.24 | stelt | just some floating textboxes superimposed on video of the camera (like in layar) would be nice already |
| 01:56.44 | ali1234 | lack of data (accuracy and speed) |
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| 01:57.50 | fureddo | Hi Mikkov_ |
| 01:58.11 | poiuyt | stelt: the biggest problem with using gps as compass is resolution |
| 01:58.34 | poiuyt | if you stand still and turn round you will not have a new position |
| 01:59.08 | stelt | OK, next n900 'problem', i can't connect a USB keyboard, is there a way to workaround ? |
| 01:59.56 | Proteous | get a bluetooth keyboard? |
| 02:00.07 | Proteous | :) |
| 02:00.27 | fureddo | mikkov_, Could you tell me what are the file permissions for the /opt directory? |
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| 02:02.16 | GAN900 | stelt, unknown at this point. |
| 02:02.27 | fureddo | mikkov_, Could you also tell me if you have a existing directory named /opt/tomotko? |
| 02:02.38 | poiuyt | is the usb totally useless then? |
| 02:02.41 | GAN900 | Likely, but it has the potential to inolve hardware modification. |
| 02:03.21 | poiuyt | GAN900: like the 770 power injector type modification? |
| 02:03.41 | poiuyt | or something more drastic |
| 02:05.31 | dmj7261 | I would be happy if it can be done via simple software hack and power injection. |
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| 02:07.42 | stelt | Wifi-stream the N900 screen to a big screen is an idea i really like, combine that with a bluetooth keyboard and your N900 can act as a desktop. Not as fast, not as high resolution, but certainly usable already. |
| 02:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | poiuyt, possibly something more drastic, but I really have no idea. |
| 02:08.30 | poiuyt | arg, ok i have a blutooth keyboard, hope it works better than on my N810 |
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| 02:08.55 | poiuyt | stelt: wifi strem to where vnc works now on n810 |
| 02:09.15 | poiuyt | and i think the n900 has video out |
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| 02:09.35 | poiuyt | i have seen videos |
| 02:09.47 | stelt | it does with cable or Wifi/DL.. |
| 02:09.56 | stelt | DLNA |
| 02:10.01 | poiuyt | dnla? |
| 02:10.18 | stelt | Digital Living something |
| 02:10.42 | stelt | Network Alliance |
| 02:11.02 | poiuyt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Living_Network_Alliance |
| 02:11.04 | poiuyt | wow |
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| 02:11.36 | stelt | then you really need only one computer: the N900 |
| 02:11.57 | poiuyt | http://libdlna.geexbox.org/ |
| 02:12.24 | poiuyt | but you need a tv that supports it to? |
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| 02:13.20 | poiuyt | stelt when i get an n900 i will use it for everything |
| 02:13.26 | poiuyt | i have been saving up for a long time |
| 02:13.27 | stelt | or a monitor hooked to a PC that does it. |
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| 02:13.49 | poiuyt | but you said i only need a n900 |
| 02:13.57 | poiuyt | i cannot buy both |
| 02:14.32 | stelt | just a dusty old computer will do for the DLNA 'receiver' i guess |
| 02:14.58 | poiuyt | wait there i will check what i have |
| 02:16.17 | poiuyt | my computer is a fast one, it says it has double the rom |
| 02:17.02 | fureddo | Anyone with a N900 would have time to test something? |
| 02:17.04 | poiuyt | it says it is a celeron and is 466mhx and has 265mb of memory. will that work? |
| 02:18.34 | poiuyt | stelt will my computer run dlna to my n900? |
| 02:18.42 | stelt | i have no idea |
| 02:19.28 | poiuyt | i think it will, the man who i bought it from said it was top of the range |
| 02:20.46 | poiuyt | when is the n900 available to buy stelt |
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| 02:26.00 | stelt | this month they say |
| 02:27.39 | poiuyt | that will be good everybody must be very excited |
| 02:29.18 | poiuyt | i must go again now. my high speed internet is used up. |
| 02:30.23 | poiuyt | stelt can you send me an email when it is released? |
| 02:30.39 | stelt | ask nokia instead |
| 02:30.50 | poiuyt | will they send me an email? |
| 02:31.47 | poiuyt | the man is hurrying me, i dont have more money to pay for internet, please email me at poiuyt@hotmail.com when it is released. |
| 02:32.14 | poiuyt | goodbye stelt i wait to hear from you |
| 02:37.04 | stelt | you can pre-order |
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| 02:54.55 | dmj7261 | Anybody have any questions they want asked at the Chicago Nokia event? |
| 02:56.40 | GeneralAntilles | Of whom? |
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| 03:03.19 | dmj7261 | I don't know. |
| 03:03.46 | dmj7261 | I don't know who's there, but I can try and have questions asked. |
| 03:04.17 | pupnik_ | coing to helsinki? |
| 03:04.20 | pupnik_ | going |
| 03:05.03 | dmj7261 | nope, I just have family attending the Chicago event today. |
| 03:05.07 | samad | hello all |
| 03:06.09 | GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, my suspicion is that whoever's there wont have anything useful that I don't already know. :D |
| 03:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:06.20 | dmj7261 | okay |
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| 03:06.46 | dmj7261 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.02 | samad | i am implementing camera for N900 but i got the error GST_MESSAGE_TYPE(message) == GST_MESSAGE_ERROR plz help me |
| 03:07.09 | dmj7261 | I couldn't attend, so I sent my parents. |
| 03:07.17 | mtnman | hello everybody </drnickmode> |
| 03:08.13 | samad | i think i can't initialize pipeline properly whats the procedure |
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| 03:18.06 | dmj7261 | samad: I'm curious, what kind of camera app are you writing? |
| 03:20.59 | samad | dmj7261: to take a picture |
| 03:21.38 | dmj7261 | any special aspects of taking a picture or just a simple test app? |
| 03:22.46 | samad | dmj7261: this is the part of another application |
| 03:23.13 | dmj7261 | ah...which one? |
| 03:24.13 | samad | Actually if u dont ask me i will be happy |
| 03:24.40 | mtnman | doesn't ask anything |
| 03:25.01 | uhsf | is it possible to use the n##0 as a bluetooth keyboard + pointing device for a pc? |
| 03:25.11 | dmj7261 | okay, forgive my curiousity. It is deadly to small, domesticated felines. |
| 03:25.34 | samad | dmj7261: plz dont mind |
| 03:26.35 | dmj7261 | I don't mind, I just figured that it would be neat to know if you were interested in sharing details. |
| 03:26.43 | mtnman | uhsf i would imagine with vnc you could do that |
| 03:28.07 | uhsf | mtnman: i know obviously that i can ssh or use synergy through network connection |
| 03:28.08 | `0660 | uhsf, check BlueMaemo |
| 03:28.25 | uhsf | i'll check bluemaemo |
| 03:28.28 | samad | dmj7261: Anyway could u help me regarding this issue |
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| 03:30.40 | dmj7261 | samad: I was looking at doing camera stuff myself, but I don't have a device to actually start working on so I haven't done much. |
| 03:30.56 | uhsf | bluemaemo is exactly what i was looking for. turn n##0 into a bluetooth keyboard + pointing device, ty `0660 |
| 03:31.15 | dmj7261 | I can tell it's some sort of Gstreamer error I think but someone else might know a lot more than I. |
| 03:31.25 | samad | dmj7261: i have also no device |
| 03:31.58 | dmj7261 | how are you able to test the camera app then? |
| 03:32.20 | samad | dmj7261: thanks |
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| 04:15.35 | sarower | Good morning all, |
| 04:16.16 | sarower | using the API, gst_element_factory_make("v4l2src" "camera_src"); |
| 04:16.30 | sarower | Producing error! |
| 04:16.46 | sarower | : gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:pipeline/GstV4l2Src:camera_src:Check your filtered caps, if any |
| 04:17.01 | sarower | Anybody, any help? |
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| 04:41.06 | dmj7261 | I'm sad! :( |
| 04:41.27 | dmj7261 | It sounds like a hardware type issue caused the n900 delay. :( |
| 04:43.30 | microlith | ? |
| 04:44.05 | ShadowJK | ? |
| 04:44.19 | microlith | dmj7261: any more info on this or? |
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| 04:45.00 | ShadowJK | or just pure speculation? |
| 04:45.35 | ShadowJK | thought they wanted to fix more software issues first after non-nerds started wanting the device |
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| 05:07.47 | dmj7261 | This is just what seemed to be what they were implying based on what my family that got to attend the nokia event said. |
| 05:08.16 | dmj7261 | My family was very impressed by the video out and the video webcasting though. |
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| 05:11.43 | dmj7261 | also verizon is definitely not supported. |
| 05:12.34 | dmj7261 | I previously thought it was, but the verizon (cdma) frequencies are only supported on n900 as gsm, and the cdma component uses other frequencies. |
| 05:13.17 | ShadowJK | verizon was known |
| 05:13.30 | dmj7261 | I hadn't been able to find info about it. |
| 05:13.33 | ShadowJK | cdma was never in any n900 specs |
| 05:13.40 | dmj7261 | yes it is. |
| 05:13.46 | dmj7261 | just different frequencies. |
| 05:13.50 | dmj7261 | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ |
| 05:13.58 | ShadowJK | there's wcdma which isn't the same thing |
| 05:13.59 | dmj7261 | look at operating frequency |
| 05:14.05 | GeneralAntilles | dmj7261, WCDMA != CDMA |
| 05:14.13 | dmj7261 | Oh...didn't realize |
| 05:14.18 | dmj7261 | what is the difference? |
| 05:14.51 | ShadowJK | cdma is only used in like USA and maybe Japan |
| 05:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | China, too. |
| 05:15.23 | asj | hong kong I think? |
| 05:15.28 | ShadowJK | I thought that was tcdma? |
| 05:16.11 | dmj7261 | wcdma is where? |
| 05:16.51 | asj | could be. I was talking with a motorla rep and I guess some small 3rd world countries really like iDEN since it's cheap to deploy. go figure. |
| 05:16.52 | ShadowJK | rest of the world |
| 05:17.35 | dmj7261 | ah...usa carrier shenanigans are awful |
| 05:18.13 | ShadowJK | basically the n900 3g will work in usa on tmobile and nowhere else |
| 05:18.28 | ShadowJK | the gsm/edge works on at&t too |
| 05:19.06 | dmj7261 | ah okay |
| 05:19.07 | asj | ShadowJK: what's the umts freq of the world n900? 900/2100? |
| 05:19.16 | asj | sorry, wcdma |
| 05:19.22 | ShadowJK | all n900 have the same bands |
| 05:19.35 | asj | there isn't a nam/rest of the world? |
| 05:19.39 | dmj7261 | grrr...why do they do this? |
| 05:19.43 | ShadowJK | 900/2100 is probably most used |
| 05:19.55 | ShadowJK | asj: nafaik |
| 05:20.32 | asj | 850 is popping up down here a lot, I think both AU and NZ have 850 deployments. Allows for competion around the 850/900 range by different carries in rural settings |
| 05:20.33 | dmj7261 | I suppose the project black plans don't look too bad. |
| 05:20.45 | dmj7261 | What do you other americans think? |
| 05:21.23 | GeneralAntilles | T-Mobile doesn't have any coverage. |
| 05:21.38 | asj | no 3g coverage |
| 05:21.49 | dmj7261 | how will calling coverage be? |
| 05:22.21 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on where you are. |
| 05:22.55 | dmj7261 | I'm not terribly concerned with having 3g absolutely everywhere, since I spend most of my time in university buildings/dorms/apartments where wireless is plentiful. |
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| 05:25.53 | dmj7261 | I'm in Illinois. |
| 05:27.35 | asj | tmobile used to be good with regional companies providing coverage in the midwest, with like centenial wireless and dobson. since they've all been/being up by att....I think each company has it's stronger areas, att is very weak in the south for example |
| 05:28.13 | GeneralAntilles | Better than T-Mobile for me, however. |
| 05:28.30 | dmj7261 | used to be? |
| 05:30.37 | dmj7261 | It looks like you will not be able to make a call very far from the highway. |
| 05:34.22 | microlith | I'll probably jump to T-Mo in december, as I'm gonna be on edge regardless with AT&T as it is |
| 05:34.34 | microlith | and they offer 3G service in the places I tend to go, anyway |
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| 05:39.37 | anvith3 | hello |
| 05:39.48 | dmj7261 | GeneralAntilles: where do you live? |
| 05:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | Florida |
| 05:40.57 | anvith3 | i just installed openSSh on my N810 and connected it to my laptop.i'm running Ubuntu 9.04. now everytime i connect the device thru usb cable it gets detected as a network device |
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| 05:42.01 | anvith3 | what if i want to connect it as a USB mass storage |
| 05:42.02 | anvith3 | ? |
| 05:42.11 | anvith3 | can anybody guideme? |
| 05:42.36 | johnx | installing ssh was not what caused it to be detected as a network device, I'm pretty sure |
| 05:42.41 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 05:42.55 | johnx | also: mornin' all |
| 05:43.01 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, johnx. |
| 05:43.04 | anvith3 | well i followed the maemo diablo trainig guide |
| 05:43.19 | johnx | anvith3, can I have a link to that? not familiar with it... |
| 05:43.42 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty sure it guides you through setting up USBnet. |
| 05:43.47 | anvith3 | yes |
| 05:43.53 | anvith3 | General antilles |
| 05:44.33 | johnx | anvith3, so you want to use usb net sometimes? or just ssh over wifi? |
| 05:44.47 | anvith3 | johnx:http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/ |
| 05:45.06 | anvith3 | hmmm |
| 05:45.33 | anvith3 | i was going through the guide step by step so i went thru with it |
| 05:46.00 | anvith3 | am still a beginnerbut want to learn how to develop for the Maemo platform |
| 05:47.53 | dmj7261 | so has tmobile coverage gotten a lot worse in the last year? |
| 05:48.09 | johnx | dmj7261, seems the same here (seattle-ish) |
| 05:48.14 | anvith3 | GeneralAntilles : do I delete the entries i made in the /etc/network/interfaces on my laptop to revert? |
| 05:48.36 | anvith3 | johnx : ? |
| 05:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | Brrr, it got cold out. |
| 05:49.08 | johnx | anvith3, just read the guide. try this (on the tablet): ifdown usb0 && rmmod g_ether |
| 05:49.13 | johnx | you'll need to be root for it |
| 05:49.13 | dmj7261 | their coverage map seems to ndicate that you need to go near highways and major cities to make calls. |
| 05:49.17 | anvith3 | ok |
| 05:49.26 | anvith3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.32 | johnx | dmj7261, well, that covers me pretty well :) |
| 05:49.35 | johnx | anvith3, correct |
| 05:49.38 | anvith3 | thnaks |
| 05:49.41 | anvith3 | :) |
| 05:49.51 | johnx | it's short for InterFace down |
| 05:49.58 | dmj7261 | me for the most part too, but I have occasionally been further outside that area. |
| 05:49.59 | anvith3 | ok |
| 05:50.34 | johnx | dmj7261, only time I was really out of coverage in any semi-populated area there was no AT&T coverage at all |
| 05:50.51 | johnx | the verizon/sprint phone owners weren't having any trouble though |
| 05:50.56 | johnx | it was really weird ... |
| 05:50.57 | dmj7261 | so tmobile will have coverage in the same places as att? |
| 05:51.08 | johnx | not necessarily |
| 05:51.12 | dmj7261 | I have verizon now, but the phones suck |
| 05:51.17 | anvith3 | can java apps be run on the device ? i know its not natively supported but saw a Dr Dobbs page abt how we can install Jalimo VM and run java class files |
| 05:51.50 | dmj7261 | (Droid is uninteresting to me until they have an official maemo or ubuntu port that makes phone calls) |
| 05:51.52 | johnx | anvith3, anything you've read about java is more than what I've read :) |
| 05:51.58 | anvith3 | heheh |
| 05:51.59 | anvith3 | :D |
| 05:52.00 | anvith3 | ok |
| 05:52.02 | microlith | dmj7261: T-Mobile's coverage is significantly smaller than AT&T's in the US |
| 05:52.22 | Xisdibik | microlith: but AT&T sucks ;) |
| 05:52.23 | johnx | anvith3, this looks interesting though, but obviously has limitations: http://java.sun.com/javase/embedded/ |
| 05:52.56 | microlith | Xisdibik: that and it doesn't do 3G with the N900 |
| 05:53.10 | Xisdibik | id say the 2nd reason is most important ;) |
| 05:53.30 | Xisdibik | they have honestly been going rapidly downhill ever since they took on the iphone |
| 05:53.44 | dmj7261 | so the tmobile affiliates that att bought don't work anymore? |
| 05:53.44 | johnx | OTOH, when you do have coverage, t-mo doesn't seem to drop calls as much as at&t |
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| 05:53.51 | anvith3 | well the java query was for a friend . i'm personally interested in developing in either python or Qt |
| 05:53.56 | anvith3 | problem is i dunno both |
| 05:53.57 | anvith3 | :P |
| 05:54.02 | anvith3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.14 | johnx | anvith3, do you know a programming language? |
| 05:54.17 | anvith3 | C |
| 05:54.23 | anvith3 | a bit of C+ |
| 05:54.27 | anvith3 | C++ |
| 05:54.37 | anvith3 | am an under grad in my final year |
| 05:54.44 | anvith3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.45 | dmj7261 | has anyone compared tmobile coverage to verizon (no n900 but reference point for me as it's what I currently have)? |
| 05:54.54 | Xisdibik | what no C# anvith3 ? :P |
| 05:55.00 | Xisdibik | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.06 | anvith3 | hhe |
| 05:55.09 | anvith3 | i'm frm india |
| 05:55.20 | anvith3 | syllabi are different |
| 05:55.22 | Xisdibik | i quit comp sci after my 2nd year ;) |
| 05:55.23 | johnx | well, C, C++, C# (mono) are all there |
| 05:55.26 | anvith3 | hehe |
| 05:55.41 | microlith | what I want to hear is if the N900 works properly on softbank or any of the other GSM providers in Japan |
| 05:55.48 | johnx | syllabi are waaay different even in different US universities |
| 05:55.53 | johnx | microlith, frequencies? |
| 05:55.59 | johnx | also, pay as you go? |
| 05:56.05 | Xisdibik | microlith: DoCoMo uses 2100 mhz WCDMA which the phone gets |
| 05:56.21 | Xisdibik | i know this as my AT&T phone has 2100 Mhz HSPDA and i got signal on SOftbank AND NTT DoCoMo |
| 05:56.28 | microlith | oh |
| 05:56.29 | microlith | cool |
| 05:56.46 | Xisdibik | for all i know AU also supports it, they just may not have a contract with AT&T ;) |
| 05:56.55 | microlith | heh |
| 05:56.57 | Xisdibik | you in japan microlith or planning to travel there? |
| 05:57.00 | johnx | AU is CDMA I thought? |
| 05:57.03 | anvith3 | i have plans of developing a text to speech app or something on the same lines . Flite was ported to N770 but dunno if i'll be way in over my head if i take it up as my final year project |
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| 05:57.17 | microlith | Xisdibik: floating my resume with some recruiters, trying to work my way over there |
| 05:57.45 | johnx | flite is in the n800/n810 as well, but yeah, would be neat to have a more natural text to speech engine, optimized for ARM |
| 05:57.48 | Xisdibik | johnx: WCDMA =/= the same CDMA u find in USA |
| 05:57.57 | Xisdibik | but they could be |
| 05:57.58 | johnx | Xisdibik, that was my point :) |
| 05:58.05 | Xisdibik | i thought only one other country uses CDMA and it wasnt japan |
| 05:58.20 | anvith3 | is there a flite app or the N8x0 |
| 05:58.21 | anvith3 | ? |
| 05:58.34 | johnx | Xisdibik, S. Korea does, as does some Canadian carrier |
| 05:58.40 | microlith | Japan uses CDMA, I know for a fact that at least in 2003 AU did |
| 05:58.41 | anvith3 | *for |
| 05:58.54 | johnx | anvith3, think so. I believe I used it once for a quick hack |
| 05:58.54 | Xisdibik | ah then maybe AU does |
| 05:58.57 | dmj7261 | this is not good: http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=Coverage&thread.id=213 |
| 05:58.59 | Xisdibik | no one uses AU anymore anyways ;) |
| 05:59.00 | microlith | my cheap sanyo and its 3G qualcomm chipset says so at least |
| 05:59.06 | microlith | lol |
| 05:59.15 | johnx | Xisdibik, I did up to 5 months ago :P |
| 05:59.24 | johnx | loved my phone at the time |
| 05:59.26 | Xisdibik | why did u switch from them :P |
| 05:59.41 | johnx | I moved to the US :P |
| 05:59.49 | Xisdibik | why the hell would you do something stupid like that :P |
| 06:00.03 | johnx | because I wanted to stop teaching english and get back into IT |
| 06:00.12 | Xisdibik | do IT in japan! |
| 06:00.25 | johnx | couldn't at the time. tried for sure |
| 06:00.29 | Xisdibik | ah ok |
| 06:00.33 | Xisdibik | then your excuse is acceptable |
| 06:00.41 | johnx | heh :P |
| 06:00.57 | Xisdibik | my gf refuses to let me teach english in japan though |
| 06:01.02 | Xisdibik | she says they have a bad reputation :P |
| 06:01.17 | microlith | heh |
| 06:01.20 | johnx | yeah. we were pretty tough |
| 06:01.26 | Xisdibik | not that kinda reputation |
| 06:01.43 | johnx | ...wearing our leather jackets, smoking and ... carousing? |
| 06:02.03 | Xisdibik | maybe that one |
| 06:02.16 | johnx | yeah, and for me at least it was high stress, low pay and crappy hours |
| 06:02.17 | microlith | shuffles through the now empty memory of his old japanese cellphone |
| 06:02.55 | johnx | why are japanese cell phones so freaking huge? |
| 06:03.13 | Xisdibik | they are no bigger than the n900 imho |
| 06:03.13 | Xisdibik | :p |
| 06:03.45 | johnx | thinking JP dumb phones vs US dumb phones... |
| 06:04.01 | Xisdibik | because JP dumb phones get 500x more use than a US dumb phone |
| 06:04.03 | johnx | but then there's the xperia x10 which is *not* smaller than an n900 I think |
| 06:04.44 | johnx | yeah. I don't think the battery was bigger on my W51S though ... |
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| 06:05.42 | Xisdibik | i ment more like, wear a tear |
| 06:05.52 | Xisdibik | the japanese build their phones to last a bit longer |
| 06:05.58 | Xisdibik | the ones ive seen have thick plastic |
| 06:06.08 | Xisdibik | strong clamshell joints etc |
| 06:06.21 | johnx | I have two SE phones here...but yeah, I guess I could believe that |
| 06:06.23 | Xisdibik | that oh so joyous click sound when you shut them |
| 06:06.57 | Xisdibik | im heading back over there for a bit in january |
| 06:06.58 | Xisdibik | cant wait |
| 06:07.09 | Xisdibik | im gonna stand in tokyo showing off my awesome n900 that no one can get ;) |
| 06:07.18 | Xisdibik | assuming the release it in time -_- |
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| 06:07.21 | Xisdibik | they* |
| 06:07.25 | johnx | mmm...I'd love to go on vacation there...with money this time :) |
| 06:08.02 | johnx | heh, I've been doing that here. I have to admit, it's kinda fun :> |
| 06:08.14 | Xisdibik | johnx: having been there up until 5 months ago, theres no way to rent a sim card for like unlimited net access for a few month or something? |
| 06:08.26 | Xisdibik | few = 1 month , sorry |
| 06:08.42 | anvith3 | johnx: ifdown usb0 && rmmod g_ether do i type this on one line |
| 06:08.42 | anvith3 | this is what i typed earlier insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.21-omap1/g_ether.ko |
| 06:08.44 | anvith3 | # ifup usb0 |
| 06:09.08 | johnx | Xisdibik, I honestly don't know. might be easier to do it with a company from over here, but the prices will be highway robbery... |
| 06:09.17 | johnx | anvith3, seems right |
| 06:09.44 | RST38h | moo all |
| 06:09.45 | Xisdibik | johnx: well Tmobile has the like $10 per meg or something like that |
| 06:09.54 | anvith3 | so do i type ifdown usb0 && rmmod g_ether on on eline? |
| 06:10.08 | Moo___ | RST38h: yes |
| 06:10.12 | Xisdibik | AT&T had the plan of like 29$ for 20 megs + $5 /meg after that |
| 06:10.19 | johnx | anvith3, yeah. or: |
| 06:10.22 | johnx | ifdown usb0 |
| 06:10.26 | johnx | rmmod g_ether |
| 06:10.40 | johnx | RST38h, m00f |
| 06:10.42 | RST38h | Umgh =) |
| 06:11.23 | anvith3 | because everytime i k |
| 06:11.30 | anvith3 | ok |
| 06:11.36 | anvith3 | sorry abt that |
| 06:11.47 | johnx | no worries |
| 06:11.56 | anvith3 | everytime i connect the device i get diconnected from my internet connection |
| 06:12.26 | RST38h | Interesting, I experienced the same a few times |
| 06:12.36 | johnx | your laptop disconnects from the inet, or your tablet does? |
| 06:12.40 | RST38h | N900 connects to the router, router shortly drops all connections |
| 06:12.42 | anvith3 | my laptop |
| 06:12.54 | anvith3 | yeah i have a wireless router |
| 06:12.57 | RST38h | Then reestablishes them, apparently rebooting |
| 06:13.06 | johnx | RST38h, power saving mode? |
| 06:13.23 | RST38h | johnx: Don't think so, why would it drop all the other connections? |
| 06:13.35 | johnx | anvith3, is your tablet still being detected as a network device? |
| 06:13.45 | RST38h | not as in "disconnect tcpip session" but as in "disconnect all wireless clients" |
| 06:13.47 | samad | i need to know the difference between VIDEO_SRC "v4l2src" and "v4l2camsrc" |
| 06:13.48 | anvith3 | just a min |
| 06:14.00 | johnx | RST38h, PSM fills up the buffers, router dies, reboots, all is rosy |
| 06:14.43 | RST38h | johnx: But isn't PSM already running for the other clients? What changed? |
| 06:15.29 | johnx | RST38h, depending on the other clients, they probably aren't being nearly as aggressive with their PSM settings |
| 06:15.31 | anvith3 | now its not getting detected at all |
| 06:15.39 | johnx | anvith3, that's a start :) |
| 06:15.46 | anvith3 | ok |
| 06:15.55 | RST38h | hmm true |
| 06:16.07 | anvith3 | now what do i do? |
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| 06:17.05 | anvith3 | if i connect this device on another sysytem say a windows one it should detect the usb mass storage rt |
| 06:17.06 | anvith3 | ? |
| 06:17.39 | johnx | anvith3, well...I kind of expected it to work already. we can keep troubleshooting or you can try rebooting the tablet. your choice |
| 06:18.05 | anvith3 | rebooting |
| 06:19.58 | anvith3 | thanks Johnx |
| 06:20.01 | anvith3 | it worked |
| 06:20.02 | anvith3 | :D |
| 06:20.33 | anvith3 | so every time i have to connect the device as a USBnet i enter the up command and to disconnect the down command |
| 06:20.34 | anvith3 | ? |
| 06:20.51 | johnx | anvith3, yes. and you shouldn't have to reboot...but I don't know what happened |
| 06:20.59 | anvith3 | hmmm |
| 06:21.03 | johnx | to bring it up: insmod, ifup |
| 06:21.08 | anvith3 | yes |
| 06:21.42 | anvith3 | and ifdown and rmmod to shutdown |
| 06:22.05 | johnx | yeah... no idea why it doesn't work |
| 06:22.12 | johnx | anyways, later |
| 06:22.17 | anvith3 | k |
| 06:22.21 | johnx | watchin' tv :) |
| 06:22.24 | anvith3 | hee |
| 06:22.26 | anvith3 | heh |
| 06:22.27 | anvith3 | :D |
| 06:22.31 | anvith3 | cool |
| 06:22.35 | anvith3 | whre are u frm? |
| 06:26.04 | dmj7261 | anyone have advice for getting inexpensive phones for use on tmobile? |
| 06:27.07 | RST38h | E51 |
| 06:28.03 | dmj7261 | preferably with reasonably large, high contrast keys. |
| 06:28.26 | dmj7261 | since this would be a grandma phone. |
| 06:28.40 | RST38h | Google then. |
| 06:28.51 | dmj7261 | that's what I'm doing. |
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| 06:55.50 | wazd | heya all |
| 06:58.23 | RST38h | moos at wazd |
| 06:58.52 | RST38h | application menu stuck again =( |
| 06:59.19 | wazd | Ahaha, I have 641 karma, hehe :) |
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| 07:02.41 | RST38h | wazd: you are welcome :) |
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| 07:03.09 | wazd | RST38h: :P |
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| 07:09.01 | sarower | Good morning all, using the API, gst_element_factory_make("v4l2src" "camera_src"); Producing error! : gstbasesrc.c(2551): gst_base_src_start (): /GstPipeline:pipeline/GstV4l2Src:camera_src:Check your filtered caps, if any |
| 07:09.21 | sarower | Any help or any comments? |
| 07:14.21 | sarower | Another thing: I want that when debian package1 will be installed then package2 will be installed automatically after package1. |
| 07:14.28 | sarower | How it could be done |
| 07:14.47 | sarower | How package2 could be integrated with package1? |
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| 07:20.46 | dmj7261 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=364220&postcount=740 |
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| 07:22.07 | dmj7261 | I guess the comment in this post was what I heard about |
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| 07:38.49 | user_ | help |
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| 07:45.29 | tigert | sarower: package dependencies |
| 07:46.16 | sarower | tigert: in the control file? |
| 07:46.34 | tigert | wherever package dependencies are set |
| 07:46.37 | tigert | I think its there |
| 07:46.45 | sarower | tigert: But in that case it is needed the package must be in a repository |
| 07:46.49 | sarower | tigert: right? |
| 07:46.51 | tigert | the same place you specify you depend on libgtk or whatever |
| 07:46.56 | tigert | sarower: yes |
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| 07:47.04 | tigert | sarower: your packge needs to be in a repository anyway |
| 07:47.08 | sarower | tigert: But i do not want that |
| 07:47.09 | tigert | for users to be able to install it |
| 07:47.23 | tigert | because application manager doesnt let you install a .deb in maemo5 as far as I know |
| 07:47.23 | sarower | tigert: I want to do that locally |
| 07:47.38 | tigert | and repository has the advantage of delivering updates to the user too |
| 07:47.45 | sarower | tigert: But possible from command prompt |
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| 07:48.14 | tigert | sure |
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| 07:48.32 | tigert | then you need to dpkg -i mypackage.deb myotherpackage.deb |
| 07:48.57 | tigert | thats what repositories are for |
| 07:49.00 | sarower | tigert: This is separately |
| 07:49.03 | tigert | so you can just apt-get install foobar |
| 07:49.11 | tigert | and it figures out the other stuff needed for you |
| 07:49.29 | sarower | tigert: Ok, i know about that! |
| 07:49.32 | Anvith3 | xchat for the first time on n810 |
| 07:49.42 | Anvith3 | i'm loving it |
| 07:49.52 | sarower | ok |
| 07:49.55 | tigert | sarower: but I dunno if there is a way to make dpkg automatically install another package |
| 07:50.04 | tigert | it will complain at least that you need the other installed first |
| 07:50.14 | sarower | tigert: hmm thats the problem |
| 07:50.15 | tigert | so if you do dpkg -i one.deb two.deb it works |
| 07:50.21 | tigert | but you need to know you have to do both |
| 07:50.30 | sarower | tigert: yes |
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| 07:57.42 | Anvith3 | u there johnx? |
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| 08:06.16 | johnx | sarower, make a local (file:///) repository? |
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| 08:06.50 | johnx | still not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish overall... |
| 08:06.52 | sarower | johnx: How it could be? can you have an example |
| 08:07.28 | johnx | deb file:///home/user/MyDocs/debs diablo free |
| 08:08.36 | johnx | sarower, let me guess your goal: to distribute your program to a limited group of people and have it install in one click |
| 08:08.50 | sarower | yes... |
| 08:08.58 | johnx | put it all in one .deb |
| 08:09.07 | johnx | anything else will be unnecessarily complicated |
| 08:09.19 | sarower | johnx: yes.. |
| 08:10.27 | johnx | apt wasn't really conceived with the idea of non-public repositories I think... |
| 08:10.43 | sarower | johnx: Yes I think so |
| 08:11.25 | johnx | so is there a reason you can't combine your program into one .deb? |
| 08:12.03 | sarower | johnx: Actually i did not find any way to combine yet |
| 08:12.19 | sarower | johnx: That means i do not know how to combine |
| 08:12.38 | johnx | well, you did the packaging once right? |
| 08:12.51 | sarower | johnx: yes.... |
| 08:13.04 | johnx | I assume you wrote your own makefile and everything? |
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| 08:13.16 | sarower | johnx: ya |
| 08:13.54 | johnx | so your have src1/ and src2/ and both contain a makefile and a debian/ directory? |
| 08:15.55 | johnx | ah. hey andre__ :) |
| 08:16.12 | johnx | I think I owe you a clarification on my bug report O_o; |
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| 08:16.52 | andre__ | heja |
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| 08:30.48 | sarower | johnx: Sorry i was not here. |
| 08:30.55 | sarower | johnx: Yes i have so |
| 08:31.11 | sarower | johnx: have src1/ and src2/ and both contain a makefile and a debian/ directory |
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| 08:32.11 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 08:32.26 | johnx | create a makefile one level up from src1/ and src2/ and make a new debian/ directory at that level. or was the problem something else? |
| 08:32.28 | johnx | hey Khertan |
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| 08:34.19 | sarower | johnx: I have not tried so? |
| 08:34.56 | johnx | well, you were asking how to combine your stuff into one .deb |
| 08:35.00 | johnx | that's how you do it |
| 08:35.07 | Khertan | require some help to resolv his networking connection problem do to an install of pc-connectivity-manager which is a #:!"é'é"'é" |
| 08:35.15 | Khertan | hi johnx |
| 08:35.35 | Khertan | what is the content of /etc/resolv.conf on your n900 ? |
| 08:36.08 | sarower | johnx: Hmm but what will be there in the newly created makefile and debian directory? |
| 08:37.14 | Khertan | still no image available for n900 for flashing ? |
| 08:37.17 | johnx | sarower, use the top level makefile to build and install the contents of src1 and src2 |
| 08:37.44 | sarower | johnx: and debian directory? |
| 08:38.07 | Khertan | noone can help me ? |
| 08:38.13 | johnx | it needs to call the new top-level makefile appropriately |
| 08:38.21 | johnx | Khertan, I'll tell you the contents in a sec. hang on |
| 08:38.37 | johnx | nameserver 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:38.39 | Khertan | thx johnx |
| 08:40.13 | Khertan | hum ... microb still didn't connect to google.com |
| 08:40.18 | Khertan | there is something else |
| 08:40.43 | johnx | Khertan, is dnsmasq running? |
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| 08:41.16 | Khertan | yes |
| 08:41.31 | Khertan | but maybe pc-connectivity manager scratch also the config |
| 08:41.32 | johnx | can you ping out from the terminal? |
| 08:42.10 | Khertan | i can't due to the limitation of the isp |
| 08:42.12 | Khertan | :( |
| 08:42.18 | Khertan | so difficult to test |
| 08:42.23 | Khertan | gprs0 is up |
| 08:42.28 | Khertan | seems connected |
| 08:42.46 | johnx | wait, IRC works? |
| 08:42.47 | Khertan | ok ... everythings is commented in the dnsmasq config file |
| 08:43.14 | Khertan | my isp blocks everythings that isn't http https or dns |
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| 08:43.28 | Khertan | i m connected with a pc right now |
| 08:43.33 | johnx | ah, got it |
| 08:43.47 | johnx | if you could install a telnet client on the n900 it might help you debug |
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| 08:44.33 | Khertan | yep but without networking it s difficult to install something |
| 08:44.35 | Khertan | :) |
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| 08:44.51 | johnx | not too bad. telnet shouldn't have deps (if it even exists) |
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| 08:45.56 | Stskeeps | danielwilms: thanks :) |
| 08:46.27 | Khertan | ok |
| 08:46.29 | danielwilms | Stskeeps :) you're welcome |
| 08:46.37 | Khertan | it s clearly a dns resolv problem |
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| 08:46.50 | Khertan | i was able to connect to google by an ip of their server |
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| 08:47.19 | danielwilms | Stskeeps I visited denmark last week! it was really nice ;) just as a comment :) |
| 08:47.31 | johnx | Khertan, nslookup google.com @127.0.01 |
| 08:47.36 | Khertan | could you put me in pastebin the content of dnsmasq.conf file on pastebin ? |
| 08:47.49 | Stskeeps | danielwilms: hehe, must have caught us on the right time then ;) |
| 08:48.16 | Khertan | johnx: can't resolv google.com |
| 08:48.25 | danielwilms | Stskeeps hehe...yeah...saw the sun...this was unbelievable :D |
| 08:48.27 | Khertan | Server : 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:48.42 | Khertan | Address 1 : 127.0.0.1 Nokias-N900-41-10 |
| 08:49.32 | johnx | http://pastebin.com/f2da16dd2 |
| 08:49.43 | johnx | pastebinit is the coolest thing ever! |
| 08:49.53 | johnx | must live in a cave or something |
| 08:49.54 | samad | i need to restart the n900 device from an aplication popup menu dialog , any help plz? |
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| 08:51.57 | johnx | samad, put your program in /etc/sudoers.d/ or run with suid root |
| 08:52.16 | johnx | or wait for someone to suggest something that's not a hack |
| 08:53.09 | suihkulokki | samad: you _are_ doing something wrong if you need to restart from app menu |
| 08:53.23 | samad | johnx: if i use suid the how i can give password ? |
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| 08:54.47 | johnx | suihkulokki, what if he's writing an advanced power management control panel? |
| 08:55.25 | johnx | if the binary is suid root that means you can run with root privileges with no password |
| 08:57.24 | johnx | conversely, if you're not writing an advanced power management control panel, you are most assuredly doing it wrong :) |
| 08:57.48 | samad | johnx: that means according to you system("sudo reboot"); should work |
| 08:58.11 | johnx | if you put an entry under /etc/sudoers.d for it |
| 08:58.27 | johnx | now. tell me why you want to reboot from a dialog? |
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| 08:59.47 | samad | johnx: i need to write custom vibration pattern to the mce.ini file so need to restart |
| 09:00.23 | johnx | wonders if he can just restart mce ... |
| 09:01.15 | samad | i am not clear |
| 09:01.39 | johnx | heh...I tried /etc/init.d/mce restart |
| 09:01.43 | johnx | crashed my phone |
| 09:01.54 | johnx | it *did* trigger a reboot though :> |
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| 09:02.49 | johnx | yeah, probably the least ugly way is to avoid the whole suid root thing and just make an entry for 'reboot' under /etc/sudoers.d/ and then sudo reboot |
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| 09:04.49 | samad | johnx: that means i have to create file and have to write sudo reboot ? |
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| 09:06.54 | mgedmin | samad, look at other files for examples |
| 09:06.57 | mgedmin | or read man sudoers |
| 09:07.23 | RST38h | found a terrible, TERRIBLE bug |
| 09:07.36 | RST38h | not sure whether it is in my code or the system code though |
| 09:09.10 | Khertan | johnx: thx sorry boss was entering in the office room :) |
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| 09:13.50 | Khertan | RST38h: ? |
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| 09:15.51 | Khertan | johnx: THANKS A LOT ! YOU RESOLV MY PROBLEM !!! |
| 09:15.59 | Stskeeps | flood |
| 09:16.00 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:16.28 | Khertan | yep but a flood of thanks ! |
| 09:16.42 | RST38h | Khertan: When media player is playing music, go to iNES, open the menu |
| 09:17.08 | RST38h | Khertan: It will get stuck in the menu and you won't be able to kill it because "Program not responding" dialog pops up UNDER the menu |
| 09:17.51 | Khertan | haha |
| 09:17.51 | RST38h | The second part is definitely Maemo's problem |
| 09:17.52 | Khertan | in the same way try quake3 and open the camera ... :) |
| 09:17.52 | RST38h | Not sure about the first part though, have to research |
| 09:18.00 | RST38h | has nto found a way to exit Quake3 btw |
| 09:18.03 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:18.11 | Khertan | this is why i ve try with the camera :) |
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| 09:18.30 | Khertan | i ven't found a way too |
| 09:18.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i think those might be fixed in later hildon-desktops |
| 09:19.05 | mgedmin | RST38h, to quit quake 3, press fn+ctrl, then type /quit |
| 09:19.18 | RST38h | mgedmin: Oh. Thanks! |
| 09:19.26 | Khertan | from what i can see there is update available for hildon-desktop |
| 09:19.39 | RST38h | Sts: To me it looks like pulseaudio init/shutdown problem |
| 09:19.41 | Khertan | but i ll let other trying it before me :) |
| 09:19.49 | RST38h | Sts: But I will have to recheck when I get home tonight |
| 09:20.14 | Khertan | there is also update for kernel pulseaudio |
| 09:20.22 | Khertan | thx mgedmin |
| 09:20.31 | RST38h | App-menu-not-scrolling bug appeared again today, btw. Fixed it by restarting hildon-desktop |
| 09:20.39 | RST38h | Khertan: Update where? =) |
| 09:21.03 | Khertan | apt |
| 09:21.07 | RST38h | aha |
| 09:21.26 | RST38h | Khertan: apt-get upgrade hildon-desktop ? =0 |
| 09:21.29 | mgedmin | would not risk apt-get upgrading hildon-desktop |
| 09:21.36 | Khertan | apt-get upgrade |
| 09:21.43 | Khertan | give at least 61 new packages |
| 09:21.57 | Khertan | don't know if it s come from extras devel or nokia rep |
| 09:22.18 | Khertan | but i ll be the first to try :) |
| 09:23.42 | RST38h | well, you should definitely DISABLE extras-devel if you do decide to do an upgrade |
| 09:23.43 | Khertan | yep |
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| 09:23.43 | qwerty12 | Khertan, unless you have a image with which you can flash your N900 with, I wouldn't advise it |
| 09:23.43 | Khertan | qwerty12: yep ... |
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| 09:24.00 | Khertan | There is no news of available images ? |
| 09:24.03 | SpeedEvil | that really needs to be in the topic. |
| 09:24.13 | SpeedEvil | DO nOT APT-GET upgrade |
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| 09:25.04 | Khertan | :) |
| 09:25.35 | Khertan | specially hildon-desktop when doing apt-get upgrade from xterm :) |
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| 09:26.14 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well it works on Maemo4 if you are careful |
| 09:26.54 | mgedmin | I think people who know enough *how* to be careful with apt-get are those who can disregard a "do not apt-get upgrade" warning |
| 09:26.59 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I mean - if there are apparantly sane things to do that brick the device, they should be in the topic |
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| 09:27.18 | SpeedEvil | 'don't rm -rf /' shouldn't be |
| 09:27.51 | RST38h | is afraid to upgrade maemo5 though. No 41.10 image to flash |
| 09:28.15 | qwerty12 | SpeedEvil, alas, many people come here *after* they have bricked their device... |
| 09:28.26 | cvandonderen | is there a DBUS command to test the notification LED? |
| 09:28.30 | johnx | SpeedEvil, not having it there separates the sys admins from the users :) |
| 09:28.35 | SpeedEvil | qwerty12: yes, true. |
| 09:28.36 | cvandonderen | my blue flash does not work anymore |
| 09:28.53 | SpeedEvil | qwerty12: in which case we can point at the topic and say they should have used IRC. |
| 09:28.57 | SpeedEvil | qwerty12: :) |
| 09:29.01 | cvandonderen | (or there is a bug somewhere) |
| 09:29.02 | qwerty12 | lol |
| 09:31.56 | johnx | user: "Why would they put it there if it didn't work?" sys admin: "Why would you think it would work if you've never seen it work?" |
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| 09:32.50 | SpeedEvil | I do like the Openmoko Freerunners approach. |
| 09:33.19 | SpeedEvil | A hardware button held down gives you a seperate boot, from flash that the user can't update without a debug board. |
| 09:33.31 | johnx | yup. that's the beagle method |
| 09:33.37 | johnx | very nice setup |
| 09:33.38 | fatal^ | anyone feel like reporting a bug on LBreakout2 (from extras) for me? ... postinst needs (the now apparently deprecated) maemo-select-menu-location, but apparently there's a missing dependency. |
| 09:33.43 | SpeedEvil | Of course, this costs $2 or so more. |
| 09:34.18 | johnx | SpeedEvil, should be cheap to implement it as part of the 1st stage bootloader |
| 09:34.33 | johnx | not totally bulletproof, but much more bullet resistant ;) |
| 09:34.58 | SpeedEvil | johnx: yes - however the FRs approach is bulletproof, that's not. (but yes, a first stage bootloader would be good for most cases) |
| 09:35.17 | johnx | is all about 80% solutions |
| 09:35.37 | SpeedEvil | (well, almost bulletproof, if you flash the first sector of the flash over 1000 times, you may need to always boot from teh rescue ROM.) |
| 09:35.44 | SpeedEvil | But if you're trying that hard... |
| 09:36.33 | qwerty12 | Most "bricks" on the N8x0s come from people doing apt-get upgrades, and the like; they don't come from people writing to /dev/mtd0 |
| 09:37.01 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 09:37.09 | johnx | though, writing to the "correct" part of flash should be able to blow away things like your MAC address, correct? |
| 09:37.46 | SpeedEvil | johnx: addressing the FR case - no - that's not part of the usual flash. it's held in the wireless NIC |
| 09:38.00 | johnx | you'd think that ... |
| 09:38.26 | SpeedEvil | (the random 'usb-ether' ID will of course change) |
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| 09:39.23 | johnx | on the n8x0, I was under the impression that channels available, WLAN MAC address, and the lock code were held in flash, in a separate partition from the rest of the system |
| 09:39.31 | johnx | obviously one that wasn't reflashed by the flasher |
| 09:40.17 | Stskeeps | johnx: flasher can edit partition table in CAL |
| 09:40.19 | johnx | I should add "in the case of a normal flash" |
| 09:40.27 | johnx | is that more correct? |
| 09:40.41 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 09:40.51 | Stskeeps | surfs gadgets to buy |
| 09:41.30 | johnx | heh :P |
| 09:41.39 | johnx | maybe a sharp netwalker? |
| 09:42.06 | Stskeeps | so far i have a openrd client, a beagleboard, rebated n900, sheevaplug on my list |
| 09:42.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:42.27 | johnx | yeah, the openrd/sheeva look really interesting |
| 09:42.49 | Stskeeps | the issue is really i can't find a decent polish electronics shop |
| 09:42.50 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177 |
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| 09:42.59 | johnx | If I end up getting paid more soon, the first think I'll need is pants with more pockets for more gadgets :> |
| 09:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: bifferos.com |
| 09:43.12 | SpeedEvil | johnx: custom pants! |
| 09:43.56 | johnx | SpeedEvil, I actually have a good idea of how ungodly slow that would run android ... |
| 09:44.03 | qwerty12 | Big gun holsters |
| 09:44.20 | SpeedEvil | johnx: yeah - it's not really for that. I've contemplated using it to repair my nice microwave with. |
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| 09:45.51 | johnx | my favorite microwave had a hardware dial on the front. my penchant for tactile feedback is starting to make me feel old ... |
| 09:46.28 | wazd | mobilementalism website told me to ckeck my n800 for spyware |
| 09:46.44 | RST38h | found any? |
| 09:46.51 | qwerty12 | wazd: Yeah, they've started tracking that one called "OMWeather" |
| 09:47.06 | qwerty12 | It uses the GPS... I do not trust it |
| 09:47.37 | johnx | wazd, you'll probably need wine and bochs to run their software, but it's totally worth it. and if it doesn't work, be sure to submit a bug report to them |
| 09:47.58 | wazd | qwerty12: yeah, we can follow you! :D |
| 09:48.51 | SpeedEvil | johnx: The existing one has an irreparable fault in the - unavailable - control module - but the hardware - large stainless microwave - is fine - hence the thought. |
| 09:48.57 | qwerty12 | wazd: *gulp* |
| 09:49.28 | SpeedEvil | johnx: plus there are some things that would be nice to add - for example being able to set a rate at which it simmers off some food, based on humidity in the exhaust. |
| 09:49.41 | johnx | O_o; |
| 09:49.59 | johnx | og spin dial, food get warm, then explode |
| 09:50.04 | qwerty12 | Microwaves and toasters are so last year. They should make computers run Linux |
| 09:50.12 | johnx | ^that is how I like my microwaves^ |
| 09:50.19 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I mean for stuff like stock-making. |
| 09:50.21 | johnx | now all you kids get off my lawn |
| 09:50.38 | SpeedEvil | If for example I've got a covered bowl, I want to barely heat it enough to boil, and no more for a long period. |
| 09:53.38 | johnx | I'll leave you to create the toaster of your dreams, then :) |
| 09:53.39 | johnx | 'night all |
| 09:56.09 | Lupu | Has anyone had success with OpenVPN on Fremantle? |
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| 09:58.58 | Lupu | The N900 prints warnings when openvpn is started: |
| 09:58.58 | Lupu | Tue Nov 3 11:49:33 2009 /usr/bin/openssl-vulnkey -q -b 1024 -m <modulus omitted> |
| 09:58.59 | Lupu | Tue Nov 3 11:49:34 2009 ******* WARNING *******: '(null)' is a known vulnerable key. See 'man openvpn-vulnkey' for details. |
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| 09:59.36 | Lupu | I thought it would be a configuration(or key) issue, so I copied the keys and configuration from the N800 which connects to the same OpenVPN server. |
| 10:00.27 | Lupu | Such an error is not printed on the N800(chinook) but it is on the N900(fremantle) |
| 10:00.52 | Stskeeps | on n900 it is maybe actually checking it |
| 10:00.55 | Corsac | because n800 has not the openssl-vulnkey tool |
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| 10:01.15 | Corsac | basically you have an openssl key which was generated with the buggy debian openssl |
| 10:01.16 | Lupu | and the N800 connects nicely, yet the N900 produces "TLS Error: incoming packet authentication failed from ..." prints on the server |
| 10:01.26 | Corsac | regenerate your keys |
| 10:01.46 | Corsac | (or have them regenerated by the admin if you're not in control of that part) |
| 10:02.02 | Lupu | Interesting. I wonder how that's possible since the OpenVPN server(and key generation server) is running Gentoo and I regenerated all keys just a few weeks ago. |
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| 10:02.42 | Lupu | That's why I'm wondering if it's a problem with Fremantle's OpenVPN. |
| 10:03.01 | Stskeeps | maybe client key is brok? |
| 10:03.10 | Lupu | the same configuration and keys work with Chinook but not on Fremantle. |
| 10:03.19 | Lupu | and both are connecting to the same OpenVPN server. |
| 10:03.33 | Stskeeps | yes, but fremantle updates ssl libs and verifies keys now after the debian snafu |
| 10:03.34 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:06.50 | Macer | hello |
| 10:07.25 | Lupu | Interesting; /usr/bin/openssl-vulnkey doesn't exist and yet OpenVPN is giving the forementioned error. |
| 10:07.50 | Stskeeps | maybe that's why then |
| 10:07.57 | Lupu | Missing dependency? |
| 10:08.18 | Stskeeps | try #!/bin/sh newline exit 0 in /usr/bin/openssl-vulnkey and chmod +x it;p |
| 10:08.49 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps - master of security |
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| 10:09.44 | Stskeeps | disastermaster, thnak you very much |
| 10:09.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 10:10.12 | michele_ | hi all |
| 10:10.18 | samad | johnx : i have created reboot.sudoers how i can be executed it ? plz help |
| 10:10.41 | michele_ | anyone know how use mobile version of hosted gmail? with n900? |
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| 10:11.32 | Lupu | Stskeeps: Right on track, but then again, that's only a cosmetic change. |
| 10:11.53 | Lupu | Aka "it worked", the complaint stopped. Yet the TLS error persists. |
| 10:13.21 | Lupu | Like I said, the same keys and configuration allow the N800 to connect, but the same server complaints of the TLS error when the N900 tries to connect. |
| 10:14.05 | Lupu | There is one difference though: the N800 connects over WLAN whereas the N900 connects over 3G. That couldn't make such a difference, could it...? |
| 10:15.09 | adeus | no |
| 10:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Unless your 3G provider is trying a man-in-the-middle attack :) |
| 10:17.36 | Stskeeps | that does happen occasionally |
| 10:17.43 | Stskeeps | we have a danish "free internet" provider that does that |
| 10:19.53 | Lupu | Hmm... :D |
| 10:20.12 | Lupu | *switching SIM, retrying...* |
| 10:22.33 | adeus | just to be sure couldn't you just test the n900 with a wlan |
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| 10:25.52 | Lupu | I don't believe it. You were right. My operator(Elisa/Finland) is the problem. |
| 10:26.02 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 10:26.17 | Lupu | I really wouldn't have thought of that. |
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| 10:27.14 | adeus | some funky autoproxy? |
| 10:27.21 | Lupu | Using a different operator's SIM fixed the issue. |
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| 10:28.31 | Corsac | and what's really bad is that they do craps with crappy keys |
| 10:32.21 | Lupu | Wow. |
| 10:32.43 | Lupu | I just experienced a hard crash from laa-laa land to reality :) |
| 10:32.52 | Stskeeps | Lupu: you should complain to your operator about that |
| 10:32.58 | Stskeeps | it interferes with netbanking and a shitload of other stuff |
| 10:33.01 | Lupu | I intend to. |
| 10:34.01 | Stskeeps | it might even be borderline illegal :P |
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| 10:36.29 | Myrtti | which bank? if you're using Sampopankki, you yourself are to blame :-D |
| 10:37.36 | mgedmin | is strongly tempted to thumb down every planet.maemo.org post that is truncated in the RSS feed |
| 10:38.39 | Lupu | Sampo is not a bank. At least their web site is not a banking website. It's swiss cheese with a banking site-like interface. |
| 10:40.16 | ccooke | Morning, all |
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| 10:44.27 | hrw | morning |
| 10:44.33 | SpeedEvil | Morning! |
| 10:45.22 | zaheer_ | "In other words, major positives of N900 are solid battery life (better than any iPhone)" |
| 10:45.38 | zaheer_ | from: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/20091026/shootout-nokia-n900-versus-iphone-and-winner-two_2.htm |
| 10:46.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:46.31 | mgedmin | still charges his n900 twice a day |
| 10:46.37 | zaheer_ | now sure how they measured "better" |
| 10:47.54 | Lupu | mgedmin: Is your device in RD mode? |
| 10:47.59 | mgedmin | nope |
| 10:48.07 | mgedmin | my device is in frequent use |
| 10:48.19 | zaheer_ | mgedmin, i usually do once a day but i probably don't use it as frequently as you |
| 10:48.27 | mgedmin | browser + google reader = good way to reduce battery life |
| 10:48.35 | Lupu | Right :) |
| 10:49.02 | _berto_ | yeah, if you use the browser for a few hours you kill the battery |
| 10:49.04 | zaheer_ | but last week i struggled when i went to stackoverflow dev day as i was using it to tweet, read web etc. most of the day |
| 10:49.19 | Lupu | Too bad MMPC is always polling constantly, not supporting the event-based updates in the MPD protocol. |
| 10:49.39 | _berto_ | what's the biggest battery drainer? the screen? |
| 10:50.37 | zaheer_ | what is mmpc? |
| 10:51.21 | mgedmin | _berto_, the user :) |
| 10:51.36 | mgedmin | mmpc is a client for mpd (musicpd.org) |
| 10:51.44 | _berto_ | :p |
| 10:52.08 | _berto_ | no, but seriously? is it the screen? wi-fi? both? |
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| 10:52.52 | mgedmin | well, _worst_ possible battery life happened to me when I was using 3G and ad-hoc wifi at the same time |
| 10:53.11 | mgedmin | with an ssh session using the openssh built-in SOCKS proxy |
| 10:53.23 | mgedmin | battery went to ~10% in about 2 hours |
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| 10:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Try playing movies with the sound on loud too! |
| 10:54.57 | xci | hey guys, what can be the problem when example_wavlaunch segmentation faults when trying to open a file? |
| 10:55.20 | SpeedEvil | library problems? |
| 10:55.32 | xci | I am running on a 64-bit system. Someone guessed it could be because of dbus not starting but it seems it wasn't that. |
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| 10:56.28 | xci | SpeedEvil: maybe, though it does not give any info about the problem |
| 10:59.10 | ShadowJK | Lupu, odd, I use Saunalahti and they use Elisa's network, and openvpn goes through unmodified there.. or atleast it used to |
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| 11:07.26 | Gummi | hi |
| 11:08.14 | Myrtti | ohai gummi |
| 11:08.22 | Gummi | does anyone know if there is port of screen & irssi available for N8x0? thinking about running own screen on my old N810.. |
| 11:08.33 | Gummi | long time no see Myrtti |
| 11:08.41 | Myrtti | Gummi: indeedy |
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| 11:09.53 | Myrtti | Gummi: AFAIK atleast irssi is available |
| 11:09.54 | mgedmin | screen exists for the N810, don't remember which repo |
| 11:10.03 | mgedmin | could be the tools repo |
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| 11:10.07 | mgedmin | could be extras |
| 11:10.19 | Gummi | thanks - i will keep on searching then :) |
| 11:10.21 | ShadowJK | it has some quirks |
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| 11:15.06 | Myrtti | here's a shock horror revelation: I think I might replace emacs with geany |
| 11:15.21 | Myrtti | does geany do colour themes? I want mine pink. |
| 11:15.28 | mgedmin | okay, I'm hearing that name for the second time today |
| 11:15.32 | mgedmin | googles 'geany' |
| 11:17.17 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 11:17.21 | VDVsx | geany has serious problems with indentation, at least with python. |
| 11:17.34 | VDVsx | if you open the file in another editor, everything is a mess :( (dunno if this is already fixed) |
| 11:19.19 | jeremiah | IDEs are too much for me, too many windows |
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| 11:19.25 | jeremiah | I just want to see the code |
| 11:19.43 | Myrtti | jeremiah: which has been one of the reasons I've used emacs |
| 11:19.59 | jeremiah | Yeah, me too. :) |
| 11:20.01 | Myrtti | but geany does show functions and latex headings nicely |
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| 11:20.08 | Myrtti | which is lurvely |
| 11:20.10 | DerSaidin | mgedmin: how long does your n900 last without adhoc wifi on, just 3G? |
| 11:20.16 | jeremiah | Myrtti: Ah, well, that is definitely a benefit. |
| 11:20.30 | jeremiah | I don't do a lot of Latex stuff though. :/ |
| 11:20.36 | jeremiah | I should I suppose. |
| 11:20.37 | DerSaidin | or wifi without 3G |
| 11:20.54 | Myrtti | jeremiah: you might be forced to, once we get what we have been preparing done |
| 11:21.03 | Myrtti | sorry bout that |
| 11:21.05 | jeremiah | Myrtti: Oh cool! |
| 11:21.16 | jeremiah | I want to learn Latex, just never really had the need |
| 11:21.23 | Khertan | wait a bit ... i 'm still coding PyGTKEditor for Fremantle :) |
| 11:21.25 | Myrtti | it's not pretty and it's all my fault |
| 11:21.31 | inz | jeremiah, \LaTeX is all you need =) |
| 11:21.31 | jeremiah | heh |
| 11:21.38 | Khertan | the port is a bit slow as it s a complete rewrite |
| 11:21.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:21.40 | jeremiah | inz: For code too? |
| 11:21.48 | hrw | jeremiah: start making presentations using latex-beamer |
| 11:21.53 | Myrtti | beamer ⥠|
| 11:22.01 | jeremiah | hrw: Yeah, I have seen that at conferences - amazing! |
| 11:22.05 | Myrtti | my beamer template is pink ⥠|
| 11:22.09 | jeremiah | I am totally impressed by beamer |
| 11:22.24 | jeremiah | Myrtti: What a shock! Pink presentations? From you? |
| 11:22.34 | Myrtti | mais bien sur |
| 11:22.34 | jeremiah | recoils in mock horror |
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| 11:30.20 | lardman | morning |
| 11:34.16 | lbt | is in shock that someone would abandon emacs |
| 11:34.16 | wazd | reheya all |
| 11:34.16 | wazd | I'm oficcialy got away from the army :D |
| 11:34.16 | wazd | oficially* |
| 11:34.26 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 11:35.26 | lbt | 'grats wazd |
| 11:36.09 | lardman | so, any map fiends about? |
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| 11:36.27 | lardman | emerillon is in extras-devel, not hildonised yet, but has a menu entry so you can start it from the ui at least |
| 11:36.46 | lardman | also seems to not find its plugins, so not much use for much other than looking at OSM maps yet |
| 11:36.51 | lardman | fremantle only too |
| 11:38.16 | wazd | time to get drunk! :D |
| 11:39.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 11:39.11 | Stskeeps | passes wazd the champagne |
| 11:39.31 | lardman | congrats wazd |
| 11:40.30 | lardman | so it's "official" not AWOL then? ;) |
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| 11:41.13 | wazd | lardman: yep :) |
| 11:41.24 | wazd | Stskeeps: I like champagne :D |
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| 11:43.46 | JamieBennett | any web guys around now that Niels is on holiday? |
| 11:45.33 | VDVsx | JamieBennett, need help with maemo.org ? |
| 11:45.58 | JamieBennett | VDVsx: Need help uploading to a repository that Niels setup |
| 11:47.26 | VDVsx | JamieBennett, frenc is substituting X-Fade this month, dunno if he knows about it, try to contact him |
| 11:48.00 | JamieBennett | VDVsx: Yep, knew he was but as he's not here at the moment I wondered if someone else was about. |
| 11:49.28 | VDVsx | JamieBennett, maybe jeremiah has access to the repo as well :) |
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| 12:12.54 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Yeah, I have access to the repo |
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| 12:13.06 | jeremiah | Do we need a manual upload? |
| 12:13.14 | jeremiah | Or does the repo need kicking? ;) |
| 12:13.33 | jeremiah | wazd: Congratulations on being free man! |
| 12:13.35 | VDVsx | JamieBennett, ^ |
| 12:13.46 | jeremiah | Oh, right. Sorry. |
| 12:13.58 | jeremiah | JamieBennett: Can I help somehow? |
| 12:14.15 | fluff | 2009-11-02 10:19:06.181 [5976]Connecting to remote SMTP server (192.168.5.243:25)... |
| 12:14.18 | fluff | 2009-11-02 10:20:06.197 [5976]WARNINGTemporary error while transfering mail to remote server, we'll try again later... :: failed to connect to SMTP server or failed to handshake |
| 12:14.21 | fluff | eh. |
| 12:14.22 | fluff | sorry about that. |
| 12:14.26 | Gummi | ok - next problem: how to fix backspace when running screen in N810... ctrl+h works but how to fix backspace too :) |
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| 12:17.14 | aep | hi! |
| 12:17.32 | aep | are there any emulators for maemo based phones with opengl es 2.0 ? |
| 12:17.58 | JamieBennett | jeremiah: see PM |
| 12:18.07 | jeremiah | right o! |
| 12:18.22 | wazd | jeremiah: thanks :) |
| 12:18.46 | SpeedEvil | stty erase <pressdeletekey> |
| 12:19.59 | Stskeeps | aep: yes, the SDK |
| 12:20.20 | aep | cool. thanks |
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| 12:22.44 | aep | the n900 is maemo5, right? |
| 12:23.00 | Gummi | SpeedEvil: thanks for the tip but it didn't make any difference |
| 12:23.10 | SpeedEvil | must have been confused |
| 12:23.14 | SpeedEvil | aep: yes |
| 12:23.17 | aep | thanks |
| 12:23.36 | Gummi | SpeedEvil: if you meant that for me :) |
| 12:23.56 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:26.01 | Gummi | SpeedEvil: I tried it but pressing backspace does not give any character into screen so the stty sais that it needs an argument |
| 12:27.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 12:27.56 | Gummi | just found some old irclogs... there might be some help - brb |
| 12:28.01 | wazd | wow, vista sp2 has new BT manager! |
| 12:28.10 | wazd | loves Vista :) |
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| 12:45.21 | lcuk | murrayc, did you see what happens when you put the flows together? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk27PenpAz0 |
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| 12:46.09 | murrayc | lcuk: How do you put them together? |
| 12:46.49 | lcuk | just move the devices in proximity :D |
| 12:46.55 | dneary | hi all |
| 12:46.59 | lcuk | hi dneary \o |
| 12:47.06 | murrayc | lcuk: Wouldn't it need some kind of authentication or pairing? |
| 12:47.10 | dneary | Anyone know what time it is UTC now? |
| 12:47.30 | dneary | TZs and changing clocks and vacation have screwed me up |
| 12:47.42 | lcuk | murrayc, its fakey networked for now, but its letting me think about lots of technical things relating to networking and location awareness |
| 12:48.14 | VDVsx | dneary, 12:48 |
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| 12:48.36 | murrayc | dneary: 12:48. I added GMT (== UTC) to the clock applet's locations. |
| 12:48.37 | dneary | VDVsx: So the sprint meeting is in sligtly less than 2 hours? |
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| 12:48.56 | VDVsx | dneary, yes, 14:30 |
| 12:49.02 | dneary | murrayc: I'm in CET, like yourself |
| 12:49.02 | murrayc | lcuk: All in the name of swooshiness? |
| 12:49.13 | dneary | But just back from GMT |
| 12:49.22 | murrayc | dneary: The clock applet can list extra locations. |
| 12:49.33 | murrayc | It's in Ubuntu Karmic, at least, maybe in Jaunty. |
| 12:49.37 | dneary | Ah, I see what you mean |
| 12:49.55 | lcuk | of course murrayc! |
| 12:50.09 | VDVsx | for those blaming maemo about the space for install app, see the new shiny Android 2.0 :P |
| 12:50.47 | lcuk | does java need +x bits, cant it live on the main drive for them? |
| 12:51.16 | dneary | murrayc: Not in 9.04 I think :( |
| 12:52.41 | dneary | And funny, in the applet, London't timezone is currently set to "12:52 GMT-1" |
| 12:52.54 | dneary | Lyon is "13:52 CET", as expected |
| 12:53.39 | VDVsx | dneary, "UTC time" in google does the trick as well, no need to open extras pages ;) |
| 12:53.41 | murrayc | dneary: Yeah, I think the -1 means -1 compared to your own location. |
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| 12:54.32 | dneary | ah |
| 12:54.35 | dneary | right |
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| 13:04.45 | hrw | http://asset.soup.io/asset/0519/2543_67f0.jpeg |
| 13:05.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, n900 allows me to go outside and play :P |
| 13:05.20 | `0660 | :) |
| 13:05.27 | Stskeeps | looks after proper electronics stores in .pl. |
| 13:05.44 | hrw | speaking of timezones... does n900 calendar allows to select timezones for start/end of event? |
| 13:05.59 | hrw | Stskeeps: www.komputronik.pl is one of popular ones |
| 13:06.14 | hrw | Stskeeps: not cheapest but one of those with big amount of stuff |
| 13:06.21 | Stskeeps | ta |
| 13:06.29 | Stskeeps | have to try and minimize my tax :P |
| 13:06.54 | hrw | Stskeeps: I did that in last quarter |
| 13:07.19 | Stskeeps | yeah, we have our first tax quarter coming up so |
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| 13:09.41 | mgedmin | hrw, nope, can't specify timezones in the calendar |
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| 13:09.46 | mgedmin | I kinda missed a meeting that way |
| 13:09.55 | hrw | mgedmin: suxx |
| 13:10.10 | mgedmin | entered it as 19:30, then flew to a different timezone and the calendar told me 20:30 |
| 13:10.10 | hrw | I missed meeting last week due to US being on other side of DST |
| 13:10.44 | mgedmin | there was an ubuntu bug about somebody missing a meeting because ubuntu shipped a timezone update with wrong DST info |
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| 13:11.11 | hrw | speedup nokia... I want to complain more! |
| 13:11.44 | lcuk | lol hrw @ outside and that last comment ;) |
| 13:12.57 | hrw | lcuk: I do not feel ready to complain about maemo bugs without device which runs it |
| 13:13.19 | Stskeeps | wonders if he should go for the lcd screen and then a laptop and usb keyboard, or for an actual stationary.. |
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| 13:14.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i think it depends on the order you buy things |
| 13:14.43 | lcuk | a monitor on its own isnt useful |
| 13:15.05 | lcuk | but if you have the laptop already and need to make it static then yeah keep with what you have |
| 13:15.10 | mgedmin | laptops rule |
| 13:15.30 | lcuk | handhelds rule moar |
| 13:15.32 | hrw | mgedmin: laptops suxx |
| 13:15.34 | Stskeeps | well, i'm actually laptopless |
| 13:15.55 | Stskeeps | the laptop that i can take along for work may seem like a good idea though |
| 13:15.56 | mgedmin | maybe laptops suck for gaming |
| 13:15.59 | mgedmin | laptops rule for work |
| 13:16.05 | mgedmin | and web browsing |
| 13:16.35 | mgedmin | therefore the ideal combination is an ubutu laptop and a windows pc (or xbox, or wii, or whatever) |
| 13:16.49 | mgedmin | and a n900 of course |
| 13:17.21 | lcuk | only 1? |
| 13:17.52 | hrw | mgedmin: I work at home and laptop which will make work doable outside is usually too expensive/big |
| 13:17.59 | lcuk | hrw, i hope nokia surprises you and gives a device which manages most of what you need |
| 13:18.18 | lcuk | or which can be bent to your will at any rate :P |
| 13:18.35 | Stskeeps | it's a shame otg doesn't work |
| 13:18.46 | hrw | lcuk: 12" (1680x1050) laptop with fast dualcore, 4+gb ram, big hdd and 8h battery life? |
| 13:18.53 | hrw | lcuk: at low price? |
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| 13:19.08 | lcuk | i meant the n900 :P |
| 13:19.08 | mgedmin | doesn't believe in 8h battery life |
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| 13:19.25 | lcuk | but, yeah the n923420342 will include those features as standard |
| 13:19.30 | lcuk | and even come with a flying car! |
| 13:19.58 | lcuk | 8hr battery life is possible, but you need one of those wheely trucks to cart it around |
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| 13:21.09 | Lupu | I get about 5h with a Thinkpad X301 -- no idea how much it would be with the additional battery in the DVD bay |
| 13:21.46 | practisevoodoo | ok so I have been using hte easy debian image on my n810 and that was working fine, but I am running into issues regarding free space so that I can install the apps that i want |
| 13:21.46 | mgedmin | never got more than 3 hours from this Thinkpad T61, even when the battery was new |
| 13:21.54 | lcuk | yeah different use cases, the x41 ive got here is actually the first laptop ive had which lasted longer than about 5 minutes |
| 13:22.16 | zaheer_ | lcuk, it lasts 7 1/2 mins? :) |
| 13:22.31 | mgedmin | zaheer_, don't diss thinkpads, 15 mins easily! |
| 13:22.43 | lcuk | lol zaheer_ |
| 13:22.50 | practisevoodoo | so I have been googling and looks like the general consensus is that the solution is to extract the image to a seperate partition on my ext memory card instal chroot and then change the chroot file in the home dir to point to the extracted image |
| 13:23.10 | practisevoodoo | is that all that I have to do to make it work? |
| 13:23.17 | lcuk | practisevoodoo, did you install it into the 2gb internal? |
| 13:23.31 | zaheer_ | i wonder if people will make a strap on extra battery for the n900 like people have done for the iphone |
| 13:23.39 | lcuk | i hope so |
| 13:23.45 | practisevoodoo | lcuk, yes |
| 13:23.51 | lcuk | i went on train journey and watched entire series of tv show |
| 13:23.56 | lcuk | but i had to switch batteries |
| 13:24.01 | range | Make it thicker! :) |
| 13:24.12 | lcuk | i prefer transcoding to see |
| 13:24.22 | lcuk | ill check how a lower bitrate series lasts next time |
| 13:24.29 | practisevoodoo | i was planning on just wiping the whole tablet before i started on this experiment though so I would want to be using the ext card this time round |
| 13:24.47 | zaheer_ | i have one of those proporta batteries that can charge over usb, now i need a microusb end for it |
| 13:25.05 | lcuk | practisevoodoo, if you are starting again, get a large mmc and try. |
| 13:25.29 | lcuk | ive got a charger unit for my n810, it looks like a stick of dynamite |
| 13:25.38 | lcuk | and doesnt help that it glows red when charging from it |
| 13:26.31 | mgedmin | all it needs is a countdown timer |
| 13:26.33 | practisevoodoo | lcuk, previously i was using the easy-deb image |
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| 13:27.18 | practisevoodoo | and as i understand it the debian img doesnt have much extra space in there and it cant be increased |
| 13:27.21 | lcuk | practisevoodoo, it might be best asking in one of the debian threads on tmo |
| 13:27.35 | practisevoodoo | that was why i was thinking about extracting to a seperate parttion on a card |
| 13:29.46 | mgedmin | I'm wondering about the "can't be increased" bit |
| 13:30.02 | mgedmin | what about resize2fs? |
| 13:30.24 | vesa | hmm, pulseaudio does not support mp3s. is there some other lib that can be used for mp3/compressed audio? |
| 13:30.37 | mgedmin | vesa, gstreamer |
| 13:31.11 | vesa | thanks |
| 13:33.44 | Gummi | hmm... I've an old N810 that has broken screen (ok not totally blank but still) and I'm thinking about making a low energy server of it. Anybody done it already? I remember there was some server kind of firmware images already for 770 but now I can't find any.... |
| 13:33.53 | ensi | gstreamer is quite nice |
| 13:34.15 | Stskeeps | Gummi: could technically take a mer installation and cut away the ui initialization and you have yourself a small ubuntu server |
| 13:34.59 | Gummi | yeah I was thinking about that already. Still wondering if anybody have already done it :) |
| 13:35.40 | ensi | how final is the Qt theme engine for n900? For example buttons in qt have the theme colors but just flat rendering instead of having gradient rendering like hildon buttons |
| 13:36.08 | lcuk | ensi are you an app developer or a system engineer? |
| 13:36.12 | hrw | ensi: in qt4.6 or qt4.5.x? |
| 13:36.49 | lcuk | cos if its something you think is a bug, file it! and just carry on developing app and see if it gets fixed :D |
| 13:37.37 | ensi | i have Qt 4.5.3 |
| 13:38.01 | ensi | lcuk: app dev right now |
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| 13:38.38 | hrw | ensi: wasnot qt4.6 expected to have maemo stuff merged into official release? |
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| 13:39.14 | ensi | hrw: i dont know... |
| 13:41.09 | hrw | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/09/qt-on-the-n900/ |
| 13:41.28 | ensi | is it going to ship with 4.6? |
| 13:41.35 | ensi | and does 4.6 make things any better? |
| 13:41.54 | hrw | no idea, no maemo5 here yet |
| 13:41.57 | hrw | -> coffee |
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| 13:43.57 | SpeedEvil | =&coffee; |
| 13:46.15 | Macer | has anybody here tried making an oe kernel on something native? |
| 13:46.22 | Macer | i wnated to see about building a touchbook kernel on the touchbook |
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| 13:49.12 | tekojo | Macer that should work |
| 13:49.28 | tekojo | ask lcuk about native compiling |
| 13:49.36 | Macer | yeah but i've never built an arm kernel before |
| 13:49.45 | Macer | was just wondering if it was similar to normal x86 building |
| 13:49.50 | Macer | where you just do a make menuconfig etc |
| 13:50.14 | Stskeeps | fairly similar |
| 13:50.23 | Stskeeps | well, if it hasn't been messed up. |
| 13:50.31 | tekojo | yes if you have the compiler on board |
| 13:50.44 | Macer | i'm running ubuntu on it |
| 13:50.57 | Macer | so i figured getting the stuff to build one should be fairly easy |
| 13:51.10 | Macer | i've just never done it |
| 13:51.15 | Macer | anybody have a site with instructions |
| 13:51.37 | Macer | i was hoping to build audio/video right into the kernel too instead of using modules |
| 13:51.48 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, it should be 'just' make menuconfig |
| 13:51.51 | Macer | i don't really see a point in using modules :) |
| 13:51.52 | SpeedEvil | if everything is there |
| 13:51.57 | tekojo | with Ubuntu it should be pretty much the exact same experience as with normal machines |
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| 13:52.06 | SpeedEvil | (and make bzimage/...) |
| 13:52.14 | SpeedEvil | I've done this way back in the past. |
| 13:52.14 | Macer | it uses uimages |
| 13:52.21 | tekojo | at least beagleboard ubuntu was same |
| 13:52.26 | Macer | u-boot to boot |
| 13:52.30 | SpeedEvil | yeah - /... |
| 13:52.36 | tekojo | so make uimage at the end |
| 13:52.39 | Macer | heh |
| 13:52.49 | Macer | hm... have a site that has instructions on how it is done? |
| 13:52.59 | Macer | i know ai has a few patches for some of the stuff |
| 13:53.19 | SpeedEvil | I did this ages ago for the openoko neo1973, and it wasn't challenging. |
| 13:53.26 | SpeedEvil | I forgot what I did though. |
| 13:53.30 | Macer | haha |
| 13:53.36 | Stskeeps | Macer: use the kernel from mer? |
| 13:53.41 | Stskeeps | it has patches and all that jazz |
| 13:53.56 | Macer | do you have the src wherre i can get to it without making an acct somewhere? :) |
| 13:54.33 | Macer | or a place where i can dl the mer kernel? |
| 13:54.39 | Stskeeps | gitorious maybe. but don't be picky about logins |
| 13:54.39 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:54.47 | Macer | haha |
| 13:54.53 | Macer | sorry. i am just paranoid :) |
| 13:55.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:55.16 | Macer | i'm not a big fan of logging in for "open" source stuff |
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| 13:55.52 | Macer | i'd love to natively build a kernel though |
| 13:56.08 | Macer | it would be a good learning experience.. just not now. i have to sleep. i'll do the research when i wake up |
| 13:58.55 | lcuk | Macer, talk to luke-jr or slonopotamus, they have gentoo on device :) http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 |
| 13:59.29 | lcuk | tekojo :D compiling my little things on device is easy! building a kernel scares the crap out of me! |
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| 13:59.58 | lcuk | hiya penguinbait |
| 14:00.13 | tekojo | lcuk, small things? liqbase isn't small, and a kernel is just a big small thing |
| 14:00.14 | penguinbait | hey |
| 14:00.26 | SpeedEvil | kernel is small |
| 14:00.40 | SpeedEvil | So it takes an hour to build. |
| 14:00.48 | SpeedEvil | If that. |
| 14:00.51 | SpeedEvil | 600MHz is not slow |
| 14:00.51 | lcuk | lol liqbase is tiny, it builds entirely in just a couple of minutes and incremental apps are practically realtime |
| 14:00.55 | SpeedEvil | (admittedly the disk is) |
| 14:01.11 | tigert | suddenly rememebered Compaq Itsy, Jim Gettys and the first linux-on-handheld he saw on Atlanta Linux Showcase |
| 14:01.13 | lcuk | yeah speed, i never considered even the n810 slow |
| 14:01.25 | tigert | its been an interesting journey since :) |
| 14:01.30 | mgedmin | it wasn't slow, it just wasn't fast enough |
| 14:01.45 | lcuk | worked for me! :D |
| 14:01.46 | tigert | I think it was 1999 or so |
| 14:02.17 | lcuk | i still have amiga style speeds in mind for c, so many things are quick nowadays :D |
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| 14:04.05 | lcuk | mmmm i have encountered a problem. my phone has stopped ringing or buzzing and only lights up. its like its stuck in silent mode |
| 14:04.58 | tigert | :) |
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| 14:06.18 | lcuk | brb |
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| 14:13.11 | lcuk | doh! |
| 14:14.07 | Flandry | Good morning. I have a question about app promotion to extras. How does it work with dependencies of the app package that don't get used in any other context? |
| 14:19.58 | RST38h | moos |
| 14:20.29 | RST38h | gives OpenTTD his vote and suggests everyone does the same, OpenTTD rules =) |
| 14:20.46 | hrw | RST38h: openttd on wvga? small wvga? |
| 14:21.06 | RST38h | hrw: It now supports both 800x480 and 400x240 (pixel doubled) |
| 14:21.10 | hrw | I last time played it on 1280x1024 and it was ok resolution |
| 14:21.21 | RST38h | 800x480 is somewhat unplayable on N900 |
| 14:21.44 | RST38h | Hmm, javispedro apparently forgot to promote a few packages from -devel |
| 14:21.55 | hrw | I think that games like openttd are nonplayable on n900 screen |
| 14:22.05 | RST38h | hrw: Very playable |
| 14:22.13 | hrw | I can imagine playing doom on it. |
| 14:22.17 | RST38h | hrw: OpenTTD even runs on S60 phones with 320x240 screens |
| 14:22.35 | Jaffa | Flandry: If they are non user/ sectioned, they get promoted as well |
| 14:22.37 | RST38h | hrw: it has got multiple zoom levels inside the game |
| 14:22.41 | hrw | RST38h: with magnifing glass? |
| 14:22.53 | hrw | RST38h: I saw screenshots from S60 |
| 14:23.11 | hrw | RST38h: I know that people like to do crazy things |
| 14:23.16 | Flandry | ok thanks |
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| 14:24.25 | RST38h | hrw: 400x240 Maemo version plays just fine on N900 |
| 14:24.48 | RST38h | hrw: And you can play 800x480 on N8x0, although it is a bit small indeed |
| 14:25.17 | hrw | RST38h: you know what? I can agree that it can be played on nxx0. but I played it on 17" with high res so I would not be able to play on phone |
| 14:25.44 | hrw | what is a use of game when you see very small amount of map or you see big amount of dots as map |
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| 14:26.19 | RST38h | hrw: I am playing it on N900. |
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| 14:26.25 | RST38h | hrw: So yes it is ok |
| 14:26.42 | andrewgodwin | it was fine on my n800 when I originally ported it |
| 14:26.49 | RST38h | hrw: You can change zoom preference inside the game (use +/- icons) and then you see more land with less detail |
| 14:26.56 | andrewgodwin | although I can imagine the text being teeny tiny on the n900 |
| 14:27.12 | rap1ds | hello, does anyone know how to use the video camera of the n900 device with Adobe Flash? |
| 14:27.14 | RST38h | andrew: javispedro pixeldoubled it for N900, so it is running in 400x240 effectively |
| 14:27.19 | RST38h | andrew: text is fine |
| 14:27.56 | rap1ds | or does anyone know if it is even possible to use the video camera in Flash? |
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| 14:29.01 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 |
| 14:29.08 | qwerty12 | Thank you, Stskeeps |
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| 14:29.14 | andrewgodwin | RST38h: yes, I read that, although I can't imagine the entire interface fitting on 400 :) |
| 14:29.39 | cosmo_ | name a package that doesn't exist on maemo but exists on all desktops (ubuntu and debian) |
| 14:29.55 | RST38h | andrew: He had to make a few layout changes of course |
| 14:29.55 | cosmo_ | i'm trying to do different build dependencies for maemo & desktop |
| 14:30.10 | RST38h | andrew: But it fits, given that other people ported it to S60 phones and Nintendo DS... |
| 14:30.28 | RST38h | andrew: more pleasant to play than N8x0 version even, because graphics are bigger |
| 14:31.24 | RST38h | will have to fix the bug that hangs up N900 hard (needs battery removal) today |
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| 14:40.50 | hendry | how do i measure a processes exact use of memory on diablo? i am not sure top gives me the right result and `time` is busybox crippled |
| 14:42.50 | ccooke | hendry: exact use isn't possible on diablo |
| 14:43.09 | ccooke | it needs kernel features the diablo kernel doesn't have IIRC |
| 14:43.23 | ccooke | I'm not actually sure they've hit distro kernels yet |
| 14:43.43 | mgedmin | well, if you're on an idle system, and run free, then start the process and run free again |
| 14:43.48 | mgedmin | the difference ought to tell you something |
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| 14:44.01 | Khertan | powertop : unknow job pmtrackerdaemon |
| 14:44.09 | VDVsx | Jaffa, ping |
| 14:44.09 | mgedmin | measuring memory usage is very hard |
| 14:44.14 | ccooke | mgedmin: depending on what shared libraries the app uses and if any of them have already been used, yes |
| 14:44.17 | Khertan | Mounting defugfs...FAILED |
| 14:44.35 | Khertan | hum ... power cannot be used on device ? |
| 14:44.43 | Khertan | i think it was the main purpose |
| 14:46.08 | hendry | ccooke: oh, hmm I wonder what kernel feature that is |
| 14:46.09 | mgedmin | 'sudo powertop' worksforme on the .41-10 fw |
| 14:46.18 | Khertan | sudo gainroot |
| 14:46.21 | Khertan | powertop |
| 14:46.32 | Khertan | give me the error i report before :) |
| 14:46.32 | mgedmin | hendry, /proc/$pid/pmaps (or was it smaps?) |
| 14:47.13 | Jaffa | VDVsx: pong |
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| 14:49.14 | mgedmin | it's smaps; pmap is the name of a command |
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| 14:53.58 | qole | Jaffa, can you just drop in on the #maemo-meeting for a second? |
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| 15:11.10 | mihu | Hi. Doing scp from my host to the N900 I get about 1.1Mb/s. Is that ok? Shouldn't it be more if the wifi is 802.11g ie. 54Mbit/s. I was expecting to get around 2-3 Mb/s instead. |
| 15:11.46 | mgedmin | I've never seen scp do more than ~1.1 mega_bytes_ per second |
| 15:12.00 | mgedmin | over wifi |
| 15:12.24 | mgedmin | although, when transferring large files to a N900, I suspect the bottleneck is eMMC write speed |
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| 15:12.55 | SpeedEvil | mihu: top |
| 15:13.01 | SpeedEvil | mihu: scp also encrypts |
| 15:13.12 | SpeedEvil | mihu: which may be very undesirable for perforemance rasons |
| 15:13.25 | mgedmin | and there are issues with small window sizes for ssh |
| 15:13.30 | hrw | 1MB/s??? |
| 15:13.36 | mgedmin | see http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 15:13.54 | mgedmin | BTW the 1.1 MB/s I've seen were not necessarily to a N900 |
| 15:13.59 | hrw | so syncing music/movies can take over night... |
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| 15:14.15 | SpeedEvil | IIRC I was about 4, over wired to my slow laptop |
| 15:14.24 | mgedmin | transferring gigs of audio/video to a n900 is painful, even over USB |
| 15:14.42 | mgedmin | especially since tracker then starts indexing, and thumbnailer then starts thumbnailing |
| 15:16.29 | RST38h | Disabling the tracker should help |
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| 15:17.00 | RST38h | Anyone knows what backup.vcf file is? |
| 15:17.14 | mihu | iperf says: 1.05 Mbits/sec for UDP, 5.02 Mbits/sec for TCP. Whut? |
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| 15:17.44 | mihu | RST38h: It just artifical data to/from /root/, so no tracker/indexing involved. |
| 15:17.55 | cosmo_ | vcf is vcard |
| 15:19.25 | RST38h | I know |
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| 15:19.38 | RST38h | I even modified backup.vcf contents hoping to change my address book entries |
| 15:19.42 | RST38h | but it does not seem to work |
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| 15:22.35 | mgedmin | RST38h, is that backup.vcf what you get in your zipped backup? |
| 15:22.41 | mgedmin | did you restore after modifying it? |
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| 15:25.47 | RST38h | yes |
| 15:25.55 | RST38h | it restored with no rw persmissions |
| 15:26.02 | RST38h | like ---------- |
| 15:26.12 | RST38h | and does not seem to get imported |
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| 15:36.24 | Khertan | hum ... my N900 is draining more power than the ac charger can deliver |
| 15:36.31 | Khertan | strange |
| 15:36.45 | hrw | Khertan: n900 charger? |
| 15:36.51 | Khertan | yep |
| 15:37.04 | Khertan | i think something is draining power |
| 15:37.12 | hrw | how you measure power use? |
| 15:37.36 | Khertan | by plugin the nit with 3/4 fully charged |
| 15:37.55 | Khertan | just getting low battery warning when i unplug it |
| 15:37.59 | Khertan | some minutes ago |
| 15:38.05 | RST38h | Crazy stuff |
| 15:38.12 | Khertan | 3 hours of charges |
| 15:38.13 | Khertan | yep |
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| 15:38.25 | Khertan | surely something working in background |
| 15:38.35 | Khertan | with the 3G connection |
| 15:39.25 | user__ | hi all, how can i Fix an empty program menu in my N800 diablo? |
| 15:40.45 | user__ | it happened after installing diagweb |
| 15:41.12 | qwerty12 | cp /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu /home/user/.osso/menus/, become root, run update-desktop-database |
| 15:41.32 | user__ | 10x |
| 15:41.46 | user__ | is this a common issue? |
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| 15:42.52 | qwerty12 | I've only encountered it once, myself, but it does happen to many people's tablets |
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| 15:46.59 | user__ | thanks |
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| 15:49.08 | pupnik_ | Khertan: perhaps that was what i had? |
| 15:49.34 | pupnik_ | battery just not coming up |
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| 15:50.27 | Khertan | ? you mean which didn't charge but plugged ? |
| 15:50.46 | Khertan | i ve verify that the os see the charging |
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| 15:55.16 | lardman | am just recompiling libethos, and adding in the bindings |
| 15:55.30 | lardman | it wants libvala-dev, does anyone know if this exists? |
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| 15:57.33 | mgedmin | libvala-dev exists in ubuntu, not in maemo extras |
| 15:57.45 | qwerty12 | lardman: The files provided by "libvala-dev" in Debian should be provided by the "vala" package in extras-devel |
| 15:58.02 | lardman | yeah, that's the theory I was just going to tesyt |
| 15:58.06 | mgedmin | although there is a 'vala' package in extras that doesn't exist in ubuntu |
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| 15:58.28 | mgedmin | (ubuntu has 'valac', 'vala-utils', 'libvala0' etc.) |
| 15:59.02 | qwerty12 | lardman: Just checked: the files are indeed provided by "vala" under Maemo |
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| 15:59.13 | mgedmin | 5 PM, 50% battery gone |
| 15:59.27 | lardman | cool, thanks chaps |
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| 16:00.31 | orbarron | morning all |
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| 16:02.51 | suihkulokki | Khertan: most certainly a case of "not really charging the batter" rather than consuming more than wall adapter provides... |
| 16:03.25 | Khertan | yeah but "not really charging the batter" didn't show a the charging logo |
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| 16:06.44 | wazd | hehe, bugsquad, hehe :) |
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| 16:07.16 | Khertan | wazd: ? |
| 16:07.26 | wazd | funny name :) |
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| 16:17.12 | lardman | hmm, what was the fix to get python2.5 seen before python2.3? |
| 16:19.14 | lardman | renames /scratchbox/tools/bin/python and crosses fingers |
| 16:19.29 | qwerty12 | What package? |
| 16:19.36 | lizardo | lardman: call python2.5 directly ;) |
| 16:19.41 | hrw | lardman: apt-get remove --purge python2.3? |
| 16:20.03 | lizardo | lardman: calling just "python" will call scratchbox's internal python version instead |
| 16:20.04 | lardman | hrw: it's part of sb I think |
| 16:20.13 | lizardo | lardman: which can't be removed because sbox depends on it :( |
| 16:20.18 | hrw | then live with it |
| 16:20.30 | hrw | I wonder when maemo will finally drop that sbox crap |
| 16:21.01 | lizardo | hrw: sb2 is there, but is not officially supported, I think |
| 16:21.13 | DerSaidin | is whatever/bin/python a link? |
| 16:21.18 | lardman | hmm, don't rename it, it breaks other random things like mkdir |
| 16:21.25 | hrw | lizardo: but it is still sbox |
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| 16:22.28 | lardman | so how do I get my configure to see the right version of python? |
| 16:22.43 | lardman | alter the configure script itself to check for python2.5? |
| 16:22.51 | fiferboy | lardman: Are you talking about during the build process of a package? |
| 16:22.55 | pupnik_ | http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/auto_save_image/2009/11/041128k9X.jpg haha haha tablet, with touchpad hahaha |
| 16:22.56 | lardman | yeah |
| 16:22.57 | hrw | lardman: add --with-python stuff into it and tell which python binary it has to use |
| 16:23.16 | lardman | ah that works does it, cool |
| 16:23.40 | qwerty12 | pupnik_: maybe if I make my finger really, really tiny, I may be able to use it... |
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| 16:24.46 | pupnik_ | :) http://www.jiongtang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cube_hd200-7.jpg |
| 16:24.54 | pupnik_ | there's some n810 styling copying going on |
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| 16:25.17 | lizardo | lardman: another option (usually works for me) is to call ./configure like this : PYTHON=python2.5 ./configure ... |
| 16:25.46 | fiferboy | lardman: I export the python variable in the debian/rules file |
| 16:25.56 | fiferboy | PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 16:25.56 | fiferboy | export PYTHON |
| 16:26.03 | GiantTalkingCow | pupnik: In that photo? Nah, that's a generic Pmp look. |
| 16:26.06 | pupnik_ | ok |
| 16:26.19 | pupnik_ | i see 800x480 all over now! |
| 16:26.21 | pupnik_ | yaay |
| 16:26.36 | hrw | fiferboy: and when python2.6 will land in maemo8 you will have to adapt again? |
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| 16:26.58 | fiferboy | hrw: It was one package for chinook :) |
| 16:26.59 | Jaffa | lizardo: I thought about playing with a mv /usr/lib/python2.5 to /opt/python2.5 and then setting up the bind mount and running every Python app I have installed. |
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| 16:27.22 | Jaffa | lizardo: Hell, I could even create a meta-package which did it in its postinst. |
| 16:27.50 | hrw | btw - what do you think about using repository with packages for maemo which will not be built using maemo buildsystem? |
| 16:28.03 | hrw | how many of you would use such one? |
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| 16:28.18 | hrw | there will be no "deb-src" for it I mean |
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| 16:28.24 | lcuk | Jaffa, that sounds like the thing i wanted to do with liqbase that you warned me against :P |
| 16:28.39 | Jaffa | hrw: Extras can have non open-source apps in it. |
| 16:28.42 | qwerty12 | hrw: I'd just upload a deb to non-free, where I can also upload the source, too, if I wish |
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| 16:28.56 | lizardo | Jaffa: I plan to play with the zipimport + prefix=/opt approach this week (unfortunately on my free time for now) |
| 16:28.58 | lardman | hrw: OE builds, fine by me |
| 16:29.08 | Jaffa | lcuk: Python isn't under the control of a single person; and there are lots of modules already existing (and Python can't use symlinks, hence the bind mount) |
| 16:29.26 | hrw | Jaffa: does not extras wants to be autobuildable? |
| 16:29.35 | lcuk | jaffa i dont expect liqbase to remain under my control either |
| 16:29.49 | Jaffa | lizardo: What'd be the impact for existing Python apps & addons? Have to have prefix=/opt or will it pick it up from Python's own path? |
| 16:29.56 | Jaffa | lcuk: No, but it is *now* - so you can set the standard. |
| 16:30.09 | Jaffa | hrw: extras non-free doesn't have to be, no. Ask RST38h |
| 16:30.45 | lcuk | i have and changes would be in 100 or so files |
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| 16:31.05 | Jaffa | lcuk: Then the best architecture is scuppered by sub-optimal code ;-) |
| 16:31.13 | lizardo | Jaffa: the good thing about Python is that is does not care about where the modules are located (as long as it is in PYTHONPATH or on the built-in module path), just that all application expect to find python under /usr/bin/pythonX.Y |
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| 16:31.20 | lcuk | isnt that always the way |
| 16:32.43 | Jaffa | lizardo: So, with the prefix=/opt; would you also ensure PYTHONPATH was set to include /usr/lib/python2.5/? No, that wouldn't work. So, need to consider how the build of something like python-evolution would be impacted. I assume setup.py can take prefix? |
| 16:32.45 | lizardo | Jaffa: about the python2.5 symlink issue, we could try using a wrapper script instead of a symlink, might work |
| 16:33.31 | lizardo | Jaffa: that's write, setup.py has a --prefix option (and python2.5 also uses setup.py) , is that your question? |
| 16:34.57 | Jaffa | lizardo: Yeah, so that modules will be changed to have --prefix=/opt too (or some subpath) |
| 16:35.01 | Jaffa | lizardo: That'd be OK |
| 16:35.59 | greenfly | I see a lot of references to xmodmap in previous maemo releases but I didn't see that it was available on the n900 shell. I'd like to bind ctrl to send Meta and was wondering how to go about that w/o xmodmap |
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| 16:39.17 | pupnik_ | xmodmap was kind of the wrong way anyway greenfly |
| 16:39.46 | pupnik_ | you can edit kbd layout for different languages in some file in /etc or /usr/share |
| 16:39.57 | greenfly | pupnik_: ok so what do you think I should do? |
| 16:40.38 | pupnik_ | there was a blog post that mentioned xmodmap, and one of the comments had the *Right* way |
| 16:40.43 | pupnik_ | dont member |
| 16:40.51 | greenfly | oh but on maemo.org? if so I can just track it down |
| 16:40.59 | pupnik_ | nah someone else's personal blog |
| 16:41.00 | pupnik_ | lol |
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| 16:41.16 | greenfly | heh super :p |
| 16:42.38 | qwerty12 | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 means fuck all on the N900. My N900 is working fine - and having all of its keys working even with that file deleted |
| 16:43.04 | greenfly | essentially I'm trying to work around the lack of an Alt key on the terminal |
| 16:43.06 | woglinde | qwerty12 he where did you get it? |
| 16:43.09 | greenfly | by binding ctrl to send Meta |
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| 16:43.31 | qwerty12 | woglinde: Pre-Summit device program thing. It's only a loan, either way |
| 16:43.33 | pupnik_ | http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ greenfly |
| 16:43.52 | pupnik_ | ah hmm |
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| 16:45.06 | greenfly | qwerty12: so where do you think I'd tweak the keymappings if not in that file? |
| 16:45.08 | darkling | I've got an N800 running Diablo, and recently installed the maemo-pc-connectivity stuff (version 2). However, after running out of battery, I now can't find/start the status bar applet for it. |
| 16:45.37 | darkling | I've tried googling with any number of different search terms, but haven't found anything that tells me how to start it. Anyone able to give me some pointers? |
| 16:45.41 | qwerty12 | greenfly: No idea. I've been wanting to add a tab key to the keyboard, myself... |
| 16:45.51 | greenfly | hmm |
| 16:48.04 | greenfly | qwerty12: if I find it I'll let you know |
| 16:48.11 | qwerty12 | Thanks |
| 16:48.22 | greenfly | I think the secret will be finding a file that references the fact that the key layout is different |
| 16:48.31 | greenfly | ie the euro sign is on the c key instead of m |
| 16:48.53 | SpeedEvil | is htere a way to switch keyboard layouts? |
| 16:49.06 | woglinde | darkling maemo-pc-connectivity stuff was windows? |
| 16:49.35 | qwerty12 | Myself, I'm just hoping it's not handled by hildon-input-method; at least I couldn't find stuff referencing the hardware layout when I looked in the en_GB.vkb, but maybe I wasn't looking properly |
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| 16:51.35 | darkling | woglinde: Nothing to do with Windows, as far as I know. When I first installed the package on the N800, I got a little applet for switching connectivity setups, that appeared next to the battery monitor, wireless connection monitor, speaker volume and screen brightness controls on the top of my desktop on the N800. I now don't have it, and I can't find out how to start it. |
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| 16:52.32 | woglinde | darkling deinstall it |
| 16:52.35 | woglinde | and install it again |
| 16:52.57 | darkling | WTF? Really? Is that the *only* solution? |
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| 16:53.53 | darkling | Sorry, that wasn't particularly politic. |
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| 16:54.07 | lardman | fiferboy: cheers, that worked |
| 16:54.20 | woglinde | darkling waiting 30 min that some one has a solution ist int worth |
| 16:54.27 | woglinde | isnt it |
| 16:54.28 | woglinde | hrms |
| 16:54.30 | lardman | but still didn't fix my debian/rules slash Makefile problem |
| 16:54.44 | darkling | Uninstalling and reinstalling seems to be rather a heavy-handed approach, that's all. Surely there must be some way of starting an applet? |
| 16:54.51 | woglinde | lardman hm let me fix it? |
| 16:54.57 | lardman | sure |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | dh_installudev -ppython-ethos |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | dh_install -ppython-ethos |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | cp: cannot stat `./debian/tmp/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs': No such file or directory |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | dh_install: command returned error code 256 |
| 16:55.06 | lardman | make: *** [binary-install/python-ethos] Error 1 |
| 16:55.28 | lardman | creates some source packages |
| 16:55.31 | woglinde | hm intressting |
| 16:55.46 | woglinde | are you packing pygtk? |
| 16:56.01 | lardman | no, ethos |
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| 16:56.15 | fiferboy | lardman: I thought the ethos package built? |
| 16:56.20 | lardman | not sure what the pygtk stuff is all about |
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| 16:56.36 | lardman | fiferboy: yeah, but I think there's a problem with it, as the plugins for emerillon won't load |
| 16:56.43 | woglinde | lardman then why its searching for pygtk? |
| 16:56.48 | lardman | so I'm going for a slightly later version |
| 16:56.51 | woglinde | in your installed tmp stuff |
| 16:56.57 | lardman | woglinde: your guess is as good as mine |
| 16:57.03 | lardman | something to do with .def files |
| 16:57.11 | woglinde | lardman please pasetbin whole rules |
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| 16:57.40 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2581285e |
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| 16:58.37 | woglinde | urgs |
| 16:58.44 | woglinde | never saw such an ugly rules |
| 16:58.54 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/emerillon/ |
| 16:58.58 | lardman | latest 3 files |
| 16:59.38 | achipa | Baboon question of the day - how does one add screenshots to stuff in extras (maemo.org/downloads) ? |
| 16:59.42 | lardman | I thought the fewer the lines the better ;) |
| 16:59.43 | qwerty12 | Does pycentral work in Fremantle? I was always using hacks to install stuff w/out it in Diablo |
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| 16:59.52 | qwerty12 | lardman: Ha. It's CDBS. Think again |
| 17:00.10 | mgedmin | achipa, when you log in, there's a floating menu bar with the option to edit |
| 17:00.10 | lardman | yeah, well not mine, just using what came with the original package |
| 17:00.11 | woglinde | qwerty its ugly anyway |
| 17:00.16 | mgedmin | at least that's what existed for older OSes |
| 17:00.23 | mgedmin | Maemo 5 may be special |
| 17:01.06 | lardman | at least this one has better version numbering, rather than the karmic 1.0.0-0.2.0 crap |
| 17:01.30 | lardman | oh I spoke to soon, looks like this one will also end up like that |
| 17:02.24 | fiferboy | lardman: I think we are using binary version number in maemo now. Either version 0 or 1 |
| 17:02.31 | woglinde | lardman ethos is the source package? |
| 17:02.54 | lardman | yeah |
| 17:03.19 | achipa | mgedmin: a-Ha ! thx. |
| 17:03.19 | woglinde | and you want it for diablo? or fremantle? |
| 17:03.28 | lardman | fremantle |
| 17:03.41 | lardman | fiferboy: but why? |
| 17:03.58 | qwerty12 | Because we don't like that "karmic 1.0.0-0.2.0 crap" |
| 17:04.09 | fiferboy | lardman: Joking. Did you see the mailing list discussion for version numbers? |
| 17:04.18 | lardman | I saw the tail end of it |
| 17:04.35 | lardman | I have no clue why they have tacked the 1.0.0- on the front tbh |
| 17:04.36 | fiferboy | There were some doosey version numbers listed in the eraly going |
| 17:04.58 | fiferboy | s/eraly/early/ |
| 17:05.31 | lardman | I fear libchamplain also suffers from this |
| 17:05.40 | lardman | libchamplain-0.4.1.so.X.x.x |
| 17:05.41 | achipa | mgedmin: can't get used to midgard, duh |
| 17:06.00 | woglinde | hihi |
| 17:06.02 | woglinde | boost |
| 17:06.12 | mgedmin | wasn't midgard the name of hell in norse myhtos? |
| 17:06.16 | mgedmin | would be appropriate |
| 17:06.23 | woglinde | at least boost is buildable with cmake |
| 17:06.48 | qwerty12 | mgedmin: Oh, you too have experienced the wonders of uploading a screenshot? :) |
| 17:07.08 | mgedmin | I uploaded maybe five of them |
| 17:07.51 | lardman | again ponders how many man-years have been lost in the mire known as debian packaging |
| 17:08.00 | Flandry | lol |
| 17:08.08 | lbt | lardman... blasphemy |
| 17:08.16 | woglinde | lardman hms |
| 17:08.27 | qwerty12 | lardman: Want to know a funny thing? It builds fine in my FREMANTLE_ARMEL SB target... |
| 17:08.30 | lbt | looks at autotools... |
| 17:08.36 | woglinde | lardman compare the debian kernel-source package with the redhat rpm |
| 17:08.42 | lardman | qwerty12: really? Packaged too? |
| 17:08.46 | qwerty12 | Yep |
| 17:08.47 | woglinde | you will scream and run away from redhat |
| 17:09.10 | lardman | woglinde: in the same way that being stabbed by 10 red hot pokers is worse than just the one; yes |
| 17:09.15 | Flandry | i did that long ago but that doesn't make his pondering less funny |
| 17:09.21 | Flandry | ha |
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| 17:09.34 | woglinde | lardman hm its only maemo/fremantle which isnt working |
| 17:09.36 | achipa | lardman: or, in other words, 'you should have seen the other guy !' |
| 17:09.50 | woglinde | lardman for debian sid its fairly easy to package your python stuff |
| 17:09.54 | lardman | woglinde: have not tried for Diablo |
| 17:09.59 | woglinde | if you use setuptools |
| 17:10.11 | lardman | woglinde: this isn't Python stuff really, it's a C lib with some bindings |
| 17:10.18 | woglinde | lardman yes |
| 17:10.37 | lbt | lardman ... have you tried debhelper? |
| 17:10.45 | lardman | qwerty12: Fremantle? |
| 17:10.53 | lbt | cdbs is supposed to be much less pleasant |
| 17:11.04 | lardman | lbt: I'm just using what the package came with |
| 17:11.08 | qwerty12 | lardman: "It builds fine in my FREMANTLE_ARMEL SB target" |
| 17:11.09 | fiferboy | lbt: Be nice. His name is jeremiah |
| 17:11.12 | lbt | ah, right |
| 17:11.14 | lardman | lbt: I just need it as a dep |
| 17:11.14 | woglinde | lbt -> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2581285e |
| 17:11.26 | lardman | qwerty12: sorry |
| 17:11.42 | woglinde | qewerty lol |
| 17:11.52 | woglinde | qwerty upload it for lardman |
| 17:12.23 | lbt | what's wrong with it ? |
| 17:12.53 | lardman | tries a rebuild from the .dsc |
| 17:13.27 | lardman | still got an error here |
| 17:13.32 | woglinde | lbt lardman has some referneces for pygtk |
| 17:13.42 | woglinde | which should have nothing to do with it |
| 17:13.47 | woglinde | lardman as I said |
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| 17:13.57 | woglinde | let qwerty it upload for you |
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| 17:14.14 | lbt | got to run... train... l8r |
| 17:14.14 | woglinde | its lesser pain |
| 17:14.19 | woglinde | nite lbt |
| 17:14.24 | lardman | sure, but would be nice to know why it won't build here |
| 17:14.32 | lardman | bye lbt |
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| 17:14.50 | lardman | the other thing to work out, is how to remove the rubbish versioning on the lib |
| 17:14.56 | qwerty12 | lardman: This is what I got: http://qwerty12.qole.org/ethos/ - nothing done to the actual package |
| 17:15.27 | lardman | hmm, apparently as it should be |
| 17:15.31 | woglinde | lardman update-version functuon |
| 17:15.35 | timeless_mbp | help |
| 17:15.37 | woglinde | ethos (${VERSION}-1~${DIST}0) ${DIST}; urgency=low\n\ |
| 17:16.00 | VDVsx | lcuk, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Attendees |
| 17:16.04 | timeless_mbp | has anyone here installed flasher-3.5 on os x? |
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| 17:17.06 | lardman | woglinde: should I remove that? |
| 17:17.17 | qwerty12 | timeless_mbp: OS X? Good luck in this channel with that... |
| 17:17.18 | GeneralAntilles | I love Talk. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=364406&postcount=113 |
| 17:17.45 | qwerty12 | GeneralAntilles: TEH WAVEZ; DEY KILL ME |
| 17:17.57 | GeneralAntilles | lizardo, ping? |
| 17:18.07 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes, it works fine. |
| 17:18.15 | timeless_mbp | where does it install? |
| 17:18.30 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.39 | lardman | qwerty12: apt-get upgrade seems to have sorted that out |
| 17:19.01 | timeless_mbp | WTF? |
| 17:19.03 | achipa | does happy dance, first actual app in Fremantle extras |
| 17:19.05 | qwerty12 | lardman: Old packages, for older people... Makes sense |
| 17:19.15 | pH5 | Hi, could anybody with an N900 help me out? |
| 17:19.16 | pH5 | I'm trying to build this movie list thing - and I'd like to know if it hangs on startup from the launcher like it does in the SDK (running from cmdline is working), and if not, how well the device copes with downloading and parsing into an SQLite database a copy of the IMDb. (packages cinaest and cinaest-plugin-imdb in extras-devel) |
| 17:19.27 | mgedmin | achipa, which app? |
| 17:19.49 | woglinde | lardman hm you could remove it and set debian.changelog manually |
| 17:20.08 | timeless_mbp | timeless$ sudo /usr/bin/flasher-3.5 |
| 17:20.09 | timeless_mbp | dyld: unknown required load command 0x80000022 |
| 17:20.09 | timeless_mbp | Trace/BPT trap |
| 17:20.12 | timeless_mbp | is that expected? |
| 17:20.21 | achipa | mgedmin: mirror :) Not the most complex piece of software but served the purpose of icebreaker pretty well |
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| 17:20.29 | lardman | woglinde: -1.0-0 is liberally scattered everywhere under debian, shall I just remove all of them? |
| 17:20.43 | mgedmin | PalmOS had a mirror app, very useful |
| 17:21.07 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ? |
| 17:21.08 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, ahaha, great talk link. |
| 17:21.12 | andre__ | must... comment... |
| 17:21.28 | wazd | andre__: oh, hey there :) |
| 17:21.36 | andre__ | wazd, heja |
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| 17:21.44 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, which version are you using? |
| 17:21.49 | woglinde | lardman hm one mom are you changing only the package name or do you want change the library-name too? |
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| 17:21.59 | wazd | andre__: what do you think bout that concept? http://s48.radikal.ru/i119/0911/a4/ded824d1c386.png |
| 17:22.00 | GeneralAntilles | (and somebody needs to teach Nokia how do figure out the architecture in the installer) |
| 17:22.01 | timeless_mbp | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg |
| 17:22.04 | achipa | mgedmin: well, yes, would be MORE useful if the user-cam wasn't the worst webcam I've seen, ever :) |
| 17:22.27 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: or to use apps which are apps instead of /usr/bin crud |
| 17:22.28 | mgedmin | ooh, that's what it does? |
| 17:22.40 | lardman | woglinde: lib name too probably, to give it a sensible name without the initial 1.0.0 stuff |
| 17:22.41 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: you asked about something |
| 17:22.43 | SpeedEvil1 | achipa: There is a simple software fix. |
| 17:22.46 | timeless_mbp | thinking it wasn't possible, but it is |
| 17:22.58 | SpeedEvil1 | achipa: You display 'Please turn over' on the screen. |
| 17:23.00 | timeless_mbp | sadly, it was a while ago, and my memory doesn't last that long :) |
| 17:23.04 | woglinde | lardman then you need to change to configure.ac too |
| 17:23.07 | achipa | SpeedEvil: :D |
| 17:23.11 | woglinde | and Makefile.an |
| 17:23.13 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, get Jaffa to update 770 Flasher. |
| 17:23.14 | woglinde | args .am |
| 17:23.18 | lardman | balls |
| 17:23.35 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did i do something wrong? |
| 17:23.44 | achipa | mgedmin: yeah, THAT sort of mirror |
| 17:23.51 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I have no idea. |
| 17:23.53 | andre__ | wazd, whouah. looks cool. |
| 17:23.56 | andre__ | and i like ladybugs ;-) |
| 17:23.56 | qwerty12 | andre__: You may find buying bananas and keeping the peel to be even more cheaper... |
| 17:24.04 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.25 | achipa | does a facepalm. Somebody asked for a screenshot. Again. |
| 17:24.30 | andre__ | qwerty12: in my small country there is no bananas, no coffee, no butter |
| 17:24.37 | mgedmin | how on earth is app manager sorting the things? |
| 17:24.41 | wazd | andre__: hehe :) |
| 17:24.45 | mgedmin | jammo, wormux, gcompris, frozen bubble |
| 17:24.45 | lardman | fiferboy: am I to assume that removing the initial 1.0.0 is the right way to go? Not having read all of that thread |
| 17:24.49 | qwerty12 | andre__: haha |
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| 17:24.51 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: alphabetical by a field you can't see? :) |
| 17:24.51 | andre__ | wazd, cool. can i just use that? |
| 17:24.55 | timeless_mbp | that's the typical maemo way |
| 17:25.02 | andre__ | qwerty12, typical jokes about czech republic and communism ;-) |
| 17:25.03 | mgedmin | ah, by size, duh |
| 17:25.11 | lardman | pH5: Give me 30min or so and I will see if I can help you |
| 17:25.18 | mgedmin | I changed that a week ago when I was trying to free up some space |
| 17:25.21 | mgedmin | nice for it to remember |
| 17:25.35 | qwerty12 | andre__: In the Czech Republic, bugs fix you |
| 17:25.36 | fiferboy | lardman: I honestly don't know what the resolution of that thread was. |
| 17:25.39 | mgedmin | so the bug that my coworker found (non-alphabetical list) was not a bug at all |
| 17:25.44 | andre__ | wazd, cool. you should get icecream for free. thanks a lot! :) |
| 17:25.58 | fiferboy | lardman: I would think simplifying the package number would be good, but I don't think you need to touch the library name |
| 17:26.04 | lardman | fiferboy: I still think a redundant extra few numbers on the front are pointless |
| 17:26.05 | andre__ | qwerty12, okay, but where's the party? :-) |
| 17:26.05 | wazd | andre__: well, I can make it less or more "3D" |
| 17:26.18 | fiferboy | lardman: Nobody should care what the library is called, but the version number is much more visible |
| 17:26.30 | andre__ | wazd, as i'm not a designer you're free to do what you think is cool. i'm going to like it anyway :) |
| 17:26.42 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, hrm, Google has interesting results when you search for that error. |
| 17:26.42 | mgedmin | 500 kb for mirror? it's bigger than I expected |
| 17:26.53 | timeless_mbp | looks at them |
| 17:27.09 | qwerty12 | andre__: The would-be attendants are dead due to putting their phones to their ears |
| 17:27.20 | andre__ | ah, shit. |
| 17:27.43 | wazd | andre__: what sizes will you use? |
| 17:27.58 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: i'm running 10.5.8 |
| 17:28.03 | lizardo | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 17:28.22 | GeneralAntilles | lizardo, did you get an email/msg about the boost libs needing to be optified? |
| 17:28.35 | andre__ | wazd: damn, you really think i have a concept already. idea was just "let's have bugdays. i want a logo" so far :-D |
| 17:29.51 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ok, how do i uninstall this broken PoS? |
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| 17:30.05 | lardman | crosses fingers and hopes he's not broken it this time |
| 17:30.11 | wazd | andre__: hehehe |
| 17:30.13 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, kill the binary and figure out which libs it stuck where? |
| 17:30.28 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 17:30.41 | woglinde | lardman *g* |
| 17:30.41 | wazd | andre__: ok, I'll make an .svg with more unified version |
| 17:30.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, out of interested, have you tried on the G5? |
| 17:30.58 | lardman | woglinde: all good, worked fine from the looks of it |
| 17:31.04 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 17:31.12 | timeless_mbp | i've always used vbox here w/ Mer to do flashing |
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| 17:31.15 | GeneralAntilles | I recall it working for me on my 1.8GHz. |
| 17:31.24 | timeless_mbp | which works unless i use my n900 that has power over the air |
| 17:31.27 | GeneralAntilles | In 10.5 |
| 17:31.35 | andre__ | wazd, thanks so much for this! i appreciate it |
| 17:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | is away for about 10 minutes. |
| 17:32.12 | lardman | in the absence of X-Fade, whom should I talk to about removing a package from extras-devel? |
| 17:32.46 | qwerty12 | Does it really need to be removed? You may get away with uploading a newer version |
| 17:33.18 | lardman | qwerty12: well as I've removed the 1.0.0 stuck on the front, my newer version will now look older |
| 17:34.30 | fiferboy | lardman: epcoh! |
| 17:34.31 | Jaffa | lardman: jeremiah? |
| 17:34.39 | fiferboy | s/epcoh/epoch/ |
| 17:35.02 | lardman | fiferboy: epoch? |
| 17:35.17 | lardman | Jaffa: ok, thanks |
| 17:35.31 | fiferboy | You can use an epoch number in your debian package to indicate that it is newer |
| 17:35.33 | pH5 | lardman: thanks |
| 17:35.44 | lardman | fiferboy: ah, I see, I'll do some googling |
| 17:35.48 | fiferboy | lardman: The epoch number is not visible (IIRC) in the app manager |
| 17:35.49 | lardman | pH5: which app is this? |
| 17:36.17 | fiferboy | lardman: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html |
| 17:36.21 | fiferboy | Look at the version section |
| 17:36.30 | lardman | thanks |
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| 17:40.21 | pH5 | lardman: it's cinaest and cinaest-plugin-imdb. they probably don't show up in ham as I forgot to change the user/media section to something allowed. |
| 17:40.37 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: right... so how the heck do i uninstall this crud? |
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| 17:41.49 | lardman | pH5: command line though should work? |
| 17:43.35 | pH5 | lardman: I do hope so. apt-get installing in the SDK does work. |
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| 17:44.29 | lardman | hmm, apt-get install cinaest doesn't work for me |
| 17:44.42 | lardman | extras-devel enabled |
| 17:46.34 | lizardo | GeneralAntilles: yes, I'll talk to other PySide devs so that we can upload an optified version... BTW, regarding optification: the current status is that each package will do this manually? I was out-of-office last week, and I read plenty of discussions about this, but there seemed not to have a conclusion |
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| 17:47.39 | GeneralAntilles | lizardo, as opposed to doing it autobuilder-side? |
| 17:47.41 | lardman | pH5: have they been uploaded recently, just doing an update |
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| 17:47.48 | lizardo | GeneralAntilles: yes |
| 17:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | lizardo, yes, for now, the work to implement that still needs to be done. |
| 17:48.47 | lardman | pH5: yeah, my fault, sorry |
| 17:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm sorry, but you long ago forfeited your right to complain about anything related to "feature creep". ;) |
| 17:50.05 | lardman | pH5: ok all installed; just started and it's asking to download a copy of the db |
| 17:50.12 | pH5 | lardman: oh good. |
| 17:50.17 | Firebird | oh, thanks GeneralAntilles... |
| 17:50.21 | lardman | so shall I go for it? |
| 17:50.29 | pH5 | so this hangup when using threads is really just a SDK thing. |
| 17:50.56 | pH5 | lardman: please. it will download the plaintext database from IMDb and sort it into an SQLite database (~/.cache/cinaest/imdb.db) |
| 17:51.09 | GeneralAntilles | finds the reaction from developers to -testing a little over-the-top. |
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| 17:51.20 | lardman | ok, says it's downloading - very empty bar still... |
| 17:51.25 | pH5 | as the license doesn't allow redistribution of the IMDb, I have to do this on the device :/ |
| 17:51.46 | lardman | yeah, that's fair enough |
| 17:51.51 | lardman | is it optified? ;) |
| 17:52.47 | achipa | lizardo: can it go through autobuilder on it's own or is it still manual push via Jeremiah ? |
| 17:52.56 | pH5 | not yet :) have to make this a bit more useful before pushing into testing. |
| 17:53.08 | lardman | how large is the db? |
| 17:53.17 | pH5 | lardman: does the download advance at all? |
| 17:53.25 | lardman | jeremiah: ping |
| 17:53.28 | pH5 | (the downloader is an external dbus service) |
| 17:53.45 | lardman | jeremiah: I'd like you to scrub some packages from extras-devel if pos |
| 17:53.54 | lardman | pH5: yeah it's progressing slowly |
| 17:54.01 | GeneralAntilles | The process is going to take a little while to get up to speed. |
| 17:54.01 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, im only pushing minimal components which work as prescribed :P |
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| 17:54.10 | GeneralAntilles | Jumping instantly into rant-mode isn't a productive way to help it there. |
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| 17:54.35 | pH5 | lardman: the resulting database is 21M here. |
| 17:54.38 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, being too quick to decry anything relating to new features as "feature creep" isn't healthy. |
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| 17:54.57 | lardman | ouch |
| 17:55.11 | pH5 | lardman: and that's with all the porn and series removed ;) |
| 17:55.23 | lardman | where does it download to? |
| 17:55.36 | lardman | I'm not sure I have enough space on the rootfs.... |
| 17:55.43 | pH5 | lardman: $HOME/.cache/ |
| 17:55.57 | lardman | oh |
| 17:55.58 | lizardo | achipa: did you mean the question to lardman ? |
| 17:56.19 | lardman | pH5: will have to stop it then |
| 17:56.25 | fiferboy | lardman: If you want to fill up your rootfs, I can send you the non-optified version of the birdlist program... |
| 17:56.34 | fiferboy | lardman: $HOME should be okay |
| 17:56.45 | lardman | pH5: if you make it put it under /opt or even ~/MyDocs/ then I'll try again |
| 17:56.59 | pH5 | lardman: oh, isn't the home partition the ext3 one? |
| 17:57.10 | lardman | only ~/MyDocs |
| 17:57.12 | fiferboy | lardman: Oh, it is only $HOME/MyDocs that is on the big partition? |
| 17:57.13 | lardman | afaik |
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| 17:57.22 | lardman | I think so, let me check |
| 17:57.38 | pH5 | proposes "df -h $HOME/.cache" |
| 17:57.43 | lardman | yeah, it's mounted on ~/MyDocs |
| 17:58.01 | lardman | so either /opt or ~/MyDocs/* |
| 17:58.18 | pH5 | :( |
| 17:58.19 | lardman | hmm |
| 17:58.38 | lardman | ah no |
| 17:58.40 | lardman | can do it |
| 17:58.46 | pH5 | :) |
| 17:58.50 | lardman | looks like home is mounted on something else too |
| 17:59.03 | pH5 | phew. |
| 17:59.19 | lardman | so how do I make it start again? |
| 17:59.57 | pH5 | lardman: rm ~/.cache/cinaest/imdb.db |
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| 18:00.30 | woglinde | re lbt |
| 18:00.48 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody should tell dneary LiMo is evil. ;) |
| 18:00.57 | lbt | o/ woglinde |
| 18:00.59 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: could someone please stab jarmo for me? |
| 18:01.04 | timeless_mbp | you're probably closer than i am :) |
| 18:01.05 | lardman | pH5: done, and starting again; got to go do the washing up now |
| 18:01.06 | lardman | bbiab |
| 18:01.12 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, unlikely. |
| 18:01.21 | timeless_mbp | unlikely re closer? |
| 18:01.25 | timeless_mbp | i'm in Santa Clara, CA, US |
| 18:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm about as close as email here. |
| 18:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | So I think we're probably tied. :P |
| 18:01.57 | timeless_mbp | stab by mail |
| 18:02.03 | timeless_mbp | works for me :) |
| 18:02.08 | pH5 | lardman: appreciated |
| 18:02.08 | qwerty12 | mailbomb |
| 18:02.15 | timeless_mbp | especially if i'm not the one doing the stabbing |
| 18:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | aint yo flunky. |
| 18:02.43 | timeless_mbp | you know you wanted to stab him anyway |
| 18:02.46 | timeless_mbp | i'm just encouraging :) |
| 18:02.50 | timeless_mbp | being supportive and all |
| 18:03.38 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 18:03.52 | GeneralAntilles | is trying to reduce the number of Nokians stabbings he commits. |
| 18:04.09 | GeneralAntilles | I think I used up all of my karma as far as that's concerned. ;) |
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| 18:05.05 | timeless_mbp | avs: hey |
| 18:05.14 | timeless_mbp | have you tried installing flasher-3.5 on os x? |
| 18:05.23 | timeless_mbp | i tried and failed, someone needs to stab jarmo for us |
| 18:05.54 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I'm amazed that they managed to release an OS X flasher, personally. |
| 18:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | The package is really messed up. |
| 18:06.17 | timeless_mbp | don't suppose you know of a pkg decompiler |
| 18:09.35 | lardman | pH5: not sure it's going to go again |
| 18:09.52 | lardman | 6pm in the uk is probably not a good time to download large amounts of data |
| 18:10.05 | lardman | the progress bar hasn't moved/appeared |
| 18:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, at one point in time you could right-click and Show Packages Contents. |
| 18:10.14 | GeneralAntilles | But somehow that's not in my contextual menu anymore. |
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| 18:11.33 | timeless_mbp | xar -t -f /Volumes/maemo_flasher-3.5_0.5.2.2/flasher-3.5.pkg |
| 18:12.39 | timeless_mbp | <pkg-info format-version="2" identifier="com.nokia.flasher35.flasher-git-install.pkg" version="1.0" install-location="/usr" auth="root"> |
| 18:12.40 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.54 | pH5 | lardman: ok, you already helped me. maybe I can reproduce this download problem in the SDK. |
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| 18:14.21 | lardman | pH5: I think it's on my end |
| 18:15.20 | lardman | my connection is just very slow from my N900 atm |
| 18:15.41 | lardman | I'll reboot and try again, just have to pop to the shops, back in 10 |
| 18:16.05 | pH5 | oh, good point. me too. |
| 18:16.44 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so in the end, i need to mv Payload Payload.gz; gunzip Payload.gz; cpio -it -F Payload |
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| 18:17.12 | timeless_mbp | that tells me about bin/flasher-3.5, libusb* share/man/man1/flasher-3.5.1.gz |
| 18:17.13 | timeless_mbp | etc |
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| 18:32.51 | goshawk | hi, what is the best bitrate and screen resolution i can use to play a video on my n810 with maemo? |
| 18:32.55 | goshawk | does anybody know? |
| 18:33.04 | Stskeeps | google for transcoding? |
| 18:33.06 | GeneralAntilles | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding |
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| 18:33.21 | goshawk | looks |
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| 18:35.23 | GeneralAntilles | OLPC going ARM? |
| 18:38.47 | Sargun_Screen | is it? |
| 18:38.54 | Sargun_Screen | who cares, that's a stupid, fucked up, dead project. |
| 18:39.18 | Sargun_Screen | Their economic stake is so tiny, that you could remove it with absolutely no effect... |
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| 18:42.22 | kami | hi guys |
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| 18:45.15 | RST38h | laughs maniacally at the mention of OLPC |
| 18:45.35 | RST38h | That was a really fucked up project, from the very beginning |
| 18:45.55 | Stskeeps | frankly, send a bunch of openrd clients and screens.. |
| 18:45.58 | RST38h | "How not to save the world. Illustrated guide." |
| 18:46.16 | RST38h | Sts: There are several ways to approach the problem, not a single one involves OLPC |
| 18:47.15 | Stskeeps | yeah.. |
| 18:47.54 | Sargun_Screen | Well, it was an ok idea |
| 18:48.10 | Sargun_Screen | they just needed to be nicer about the hardware, and sell it on a consumer side |
| 18:48.21 | Sargun_Screen | If someone has a totally open platform that's low power, and low cost |
| 18:48.35 | Sargun_Screen | they could have branded it as IP, and sold it for thousands of dollars. |
| 18:48.50 | Sargun_Screen | I mean, I could build a high end access point on top of it |
| 18:48.59 | Sargun_Screen | I could build a little internet appliance, etc.. |
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| 18:52.47 | RST38h | It was a stupid idea |
| 18:53.18 | RST38h | If you want to give those kids a useful PC, go with a used Wintel desktop running Windoze |
| 18:53.46 | lcuk | then things will never change |
| 18:53.55 | RST38h | If you want to give them a computer, build a $25 ARM9-based gadget that takes $10 PC keyboard and plugs into a TV (they all have TVs nowadays) |
| 18:53.55 | lcuk | i like the sugar ui and what it aims to do |
| 18:54.35 | lcuk | the tv takes more juice and adds complexity (i know) by requiring different things |
| 18:54.36 | RST38h | If you want to give them a study device, build a shitload of TI89s (TI will be delighted) and hand them out |
| 18:54.48 | RST38h | lcuk: TV is something they already have |
| 18:54.54 | RST38h | this is the main point |
| 18:55.24 | Stskeeps | tbh low cost linux cellphones would probably do the trick.. |
| 18:55.33 | Stskeeps | imagine the chinese doing cheap mids moving on to data modems |
| 18:55.36 | RST38h | The idea is not to look cute, not to write academic papers, not to make profit, not to "work toward technological advancement" |
| 18:55.51 | RST38h | The idea is to give poor kids dirt cheap computing device |
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| 18:56.51 | Sargun_Screen | TI-89s are pretty kickass, but they're $ |
| 18:57.11 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, TI really needs to get serious with the prices on their calculators. |
| 18:57.17 | GeneralAntilles | The TI-84 should cost $60 max. |
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| 18:57.40 | ali1234 | Z80 based? |
| 18:57.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
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| 18:57.57 | RST38h | Sargun: TI89 is pretty much 2 chips and an LCD |
| 18:58.11 | ali1234 | if you want a nice programmable Z80 you can do a lot worse than a ATJ2085 based device |
| 18:58.16 | GeneralAntilles | <3's his TI-89ti despite the price. |
| 18:58.18 | RST38h | General: There isn't much difference in cost between TI89 and TI84 |
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| 18:58.36 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I could see them justifying some price hike for the software, though. |
| 18:58.37 | RST38h | General: The difference in price you see at the store is based on perceived value to the customer |
| 18:58.40 | johnsq | How |
| 18:58.44 | RST38h | General: Exactly |
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| 18:59.35 | RST38h | General: So, making a cheapo TI89 for developing countries for <$50 apiece is totally feasible |
| 18:59.45 | lardman | pH5: not interested in downloading; even if I remove all the stuff under ~/.cache/cinaest |
| 19:00.26 | pH5 | lardman: is there still an imdb-plaintext-downloader process hanging around? |
| 19:00.54 | lardman | yes |
| 19:01.27 | ali1234 | RST38h: it's more than feasible, for $50 you could also put a few GB of flash in it and make it play mp3s and videos and have a colour screen |
| 19:01.36 | ali1234 | assuming you build enough of them |
| 19:02.00 | Sargun_Screen | RST38h: What competes with the TI089? |
| 19:02.14 | pH5 | lardman: looks like it's my fault after all. does it work if you kill the process and then try again? |
| 19:02.27 | Stskeeps | ali1234: and put maemo on them, and convince nokia to invest in it? ;) |
| 19:02.38 | ali1234 | Stskeeps: hell no, linux won't run on a z80 |
| 19:02.51 | johnsq | ali1234: but unix |
| 19:03.39 | johnsq | ali1234: or cp/m |
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| 19:05.06 | ali1234 | johnsq: cp/m is the only thing that's close to feasible, and the z80 port is not open source |
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| 19:06.54 | ali1234 | but it doesn't matter, you barely need an OS on something as simple as Z80 |
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| 19:07.56 | wazd | andre__: around? |
| 19:08.25 | wazd | andre__: http://s15.radikal.ru/i188/0911/9e/9907a54b387e.jpg |
| 19:08.54 | Stskeeps | wazd: when you have a moment, could you mail me the final marina template and background? |
| 19:09.06 | pH5 | lardman: hm. I can't reproduce that. after aborting a running download, deleting the db and starting again, the download proceeds. |
| 19:09.32 | wazd | Stskeeps: I'm still drawing icons :( |
| 19:09.36 | Stskeeps | wazd: alright |
| 19:09.55 | wazd | Stskeeps: but I'll finish it asap |
| 19:10.33 | Stskeeps | no rush, we're a bit behind schedule anyway :P |
| 19:10.44 | Stskeeps | since n900 is not yet out ;p |
| 19:10.59 | andre__ | wazd, nice! two comments: the original maemo orange colour is probably too bright? and i'm somehow thinking that i'd like to have it rotated to the right by 30 degrees or something. don't know why, just my feeling :) |
| 19:11.49 | wazd | andre__: rotation will cause some problems on low resolutions |
| 19:12.26 | andre__ | oh, i see |
| 19:12.32 | wazd | andre__: do you like dark or bright one more? |
| 19:12.39 | Stskeeps | wazd: that bug is going to haunt me :( |
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| 19:12.52 | andre__ | wazd, the brighter one. hey, we're a shiny and welcoming community :-P |
| 19:13.08 | wazd | eheh :) |
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| 19:15.16 | RST38h | wazd: Make it animated |
| 19:15.21 | RST38h | so that it haunts more people |
| 19:16.04 | wazd | RST38h: Michael Bay is on vacation now :D |
| 19:16.13 | Sargun_Screen | Is he? |
| 19:17.01 | Sargun_Screen | chills waiting for N900 to come out |
| 19:17.17 | wazd | andre__: http://i039.radikal.ru/0911/64/0f71c922dd13.png |
| 19:17.45 | andre__ | wazd, oh yeah. i like that one! |
| 19:18.57 | qwerty12_N900 | wazd: Make one showing andre being attacked by the bug. "maemo.org: So tough, our Bugmaster could not handle it" |
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| 19:19.36 | lardman | pH5: killed the thread and it started again |
| 19:19.47 | Stskeeps | lo kalikiana, was good seeing you on summit :) |
| 19:19.51 | lardman | but looks like it died |
| 19:20.09 | kalikiana | hey Stskeeps |
| 19:20.27 | wazd | First I thought to make burning bug under magnifier glass :D |
| 19:20.34 | andre__ | qwerty12_N900, highly unlikely with my superpowers. could only happen if i run out of chocolate. |
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| 19:21.08 | qwerty12_N900 | takes andre_'s chocolate away |
| 19:21.22 | andre__ | how dare you? |
| 19:21.45 | qwerty12_N900 | Mmm... They taste good |
| 19:22.29 | andre__ | evil man! |
| 19:23.23 | RST38h | wazd: Some wikipedian may claim that you have stolen DDD icon =) |
| 19:23.25 | kalikiana | you ought to be careful stealing from a chocolate addict :P |
| 19:23.26 | andre__ | got to leave now, buy new chocolate. see you tomorrow :) |
| 19:23.36 | kalikiana | haha |
| 19:23.41 | wazd | RST38h: dd what? :) |
| 19:24.07 | RST38h | wazd: http://www.gnu.org/software/ddd/ |
| 19:24.07 | wazd | RST38h: ah, oh :D |
| 19:24.17 | wazd | RST38h: that's cool :D |
| 19:24.33 | wazd | andre__: cya |
| 19:28.14 | pH5 | lardman: aye. looks like I somehow need to stabilize that downloader a bit. thanks for testing! |
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| 19:35.04 | woglinde | re |
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| 19:37.24 | lardman | pH5: np |
| 19:39.07 | javispedro | moo |
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| 19:41.17 | javispedro | well, I guess I'm finally going to know the answer to the question "Is anyone in my alma mater interested in Maemo?" |
| 19:41.26 | RST38h | Evening at t.m.o: http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs14/f/2007/101/0/7/Big_Bad_Bunny_Eater_by_imaginism.jpg |
| 19:42.30 | RST38h | javis: you may have forgotten to promote some openttd dependencies to -testing - there are a few comments complaining |
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| 19:43.05 | javispedro | RST38h: this is due to the m.o/packages bug I was discussing here yesterday. the autopromoter forgot, I didn't. |
| 19:43.19 | RST38h | oh |
| 19:43.38 | javispedro | in fact, there's no way for me to promote the deps without creating an extra QA page for an stupid gfx package :( |
| 19:44.02 | javispedro | oh, I guess I should file this. |
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| 19:44.06 | RST38h | umgh |
| 19:44.34 | woglinde | hi rst andjavis |
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| 19:44.38 | javispedro | hiyo wogline |
| 19:44.44 | javispedro | er.. woglinde :) |
| 19:44.51 | RST38h | wazd: BTW, http://imaginism.deviantart.com/art/Hello-Kitty-Painting-Impostor-141493828 |
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| 19:49.49 | VDVsx | javispedro, did you tried to promote the lib ? |
| 19:50.04 | wazd | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/omweather/0.24.8/ vote positive please :D |
| 19:50.21 | wazd | RST38h: jeez :D |
| 19:50.28 | VDVsx | javispedro, or there's no promotion button in the lib page ? |
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| 19:51.18 | javispedro | waits for m.o server to respond... |
| 19:51.58 | javispedro | VDVsx: promoting it would cause it to enter the non user/* QA queue. |
| 19:52.00 | woglinde | hm what lib? |
| 19:52.02 | javispedro | thus I would need 20 votes... |
| 19:52.32 | VDVsx | wazd, last time I tested this package it crashed my desktop and removed some of the widgets there :( |
| 19:52.59 | VDVsx | javispedro, well no, promote it from -dev to -testing |
| 19:53.26 | javispedro | ah, I see your plan. They'll be able to install it at least. |
| 19:53.34 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:53.48 | VDVsx | javispedro, are you sure you don't have any problem in your rules file ? that seems a bit odd |
| 19:54.03 | javispedro | VDVsx: the fact that people can't install it proves i didn't forgot the package in the deps. |
| 19:54.32 | VDVsx | javispedro, humm, ok, I'll take a look later :) football time now ;) |
| 19:54.34 | VDVsx | bbl |
| 19:54.39 | javispedro | see you :) |
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| 19:58.10 | javispedro | files bug and does the promotion... |
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| 20:07.54 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at the QA discussion. |
| 20:08.31 | GeneralAntilles | The poutiness isn't particulary productive. |
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| 20:11.00 | gnuton | Hi |
| 20:11.44 | woglinde | hi gnuton |
| 20:12.19 | gnuton | woglinde: hi ;D |
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| 20:17.59 | AndrewFBlack | is bad for some of the things he thinks about some of the new people on t.m.o |
| 20:21.46 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, give in to your anger! |
| 20:23.15 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, Well if you remember my early days over at itT I was very much against treating new people in certain ways like saying just search it, but now I have to say I feel my self turning on new people who think they are the big dog because they have don one little thing for Maemo |
| 20:23.24 | RST38h | Ehehehe |
| 20:23.40 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, it's amazing how that patience evaporates over time, isn't it? ;) |
| 20:23.46 | GeneralAntilles | I always love people that condemn from the peanut gallery. |
| 20:24.11 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, very amazing |
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| 20:26.53 | AndrewFBlack | There are some day I don't even like t.m.o anymore |
| 20:27.24 | GeneralAntilles | That's most days for me. |
| 20:27.25 | RST38h | Ok, PulseAudio is totally fucked up =( |
| 20:28.32 | RST38h | I am not even sure how to work around this problem =( |
| 20:28.44 | ali1234 | do i have to register seperately for t.m.o? |
| 20:28.50 | woglinde | rst *g* |
| 20:29.20 | GeneralAntilles | ali1234, yes. |
| 20:29.34 | AndrewFBlack | need to learn to get more patience, or leave t.m.o |
| 20:29.51 | Stskeeps | AndrewFBlack: at some point i thought you were actually leaving maemo community, heh :) |
| 20:31.18 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, I did that one time when I put my N810 up for sale because at he time I was only use n810 for work on community stuff and I didn't really think anyone used my stuff or liked it |
| 20:31.42 | Moo___ | does maemo support encrypted folder e.g. for saved web passwords? |
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| 20:32.04 | AndrewFBlack | It was the responces I got for certain people that kept me here |
| 20:32.56 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, nah, we like your stuff, we just don't like /you/. :P |
| 20:32.57 | Stskeeps | at least i hope you've been sent on some exciting trips like SELF and FLS :P |
| 20:34.04 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, lol ohh that explains it |
| 20:34.21 | AndrewFBlack | Stskeeps, yeah me leaving the community was way before SELF and all that |
| 20:34.31 | AndrewFBlack | I think it was about Mer 0.11 lol |
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| 20:34.45 | AndrewFBlack | or earlier don't remember now |
| 20:34.52 | gnuton | hey guys, why Fremantle SDK VMware image have not been updated at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php? |
| 20:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, that "I'm leaving" post cut me to the core. :( |
| 20:35.19 | woglinde | gnuton seems a case for stskeep now |
| 20:35.27 | Stskeeps | err, no |
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| 20:35.37 | gnuton | Stskeeps: ;D |
| 20:35.41 | Stskeeps | developer offerings from nokia is so not my area |
| 20:35.57 | gnuton | Stskeeps: do u work for Nokia? |
| 20:36.05 | Stskeeps | gnuton: no, maemo.org distmaster |
| 20:36.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 20:36.22 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: Already downplaying your role... *tut* :p |
| 20:36.32 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: disastermaster |
| 20:36.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:36.42 | qwerty12_N900 | hehe |
| 20:36.47 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:37.07 | gnuton | Stskeeps: so you are the Maemo.org DIS--Aster... well nice to meet you ;D |
| 20:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | Master Blaster |
| 20:37.27 | qwerty12_N900 | Master... nah, forget it |
| 20:37.45 | gnuton | Stskeeps: I'm just kidding ;P |
| 20:38.32 | Stskeeps | that said, the sdk vmware image should be updated, just dunno who would do that :P |
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| 20:39.44 | qwerty12_N900 | still does not see how it is exactly hard to make your own VMware image... |
| 20:39.44 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, yeah well I'm no going any where now I get aggervated at t.m.o but not leaving community look at timeless he has o posts on t.m.o lol |
| 20:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | The lists are where it's at. |
| 20:40.34 | AndrewFBlack | yeah need to start reading them more |
| 20:40.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N900: it is actually not always easy to do cleanly :P |
| 20:40.51 | GeneralAntilles | Although currently -developers is a bit whiny. |
| 20:41.25 | qwerty12_N900 | Stskeeps: I'm not talking about Mer images... :p |
| 20:41.28 | qwerty12_N900 | ducks |
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| 20:42.19 | RST38h | Anyone knows the bug tracker # for that bug that prevents SDL apps from shutting down when Media Player is playing music? |
| 20:42.24 | Dantonic | hello |
| 20:42.35 | RST38h | Because I have just been hit by it, hard |
| 20:42.46 | Stskeeps | wonders if one of the motivations for initiating open sourcing something should be "it's embarassing this isn't oss." |
| 20:43.11 | RST38h | Sts: No. |
| 20:43.19 | qwerty12_N900 | RST: You want #5524 |
| 20:43.25 | RST38h | qwerty: Ack. |
| 20:43.38 | Stskeeps | RST38h: as in, so embarassingly simple that it's silly that it isn't just out in the open |
| 20:43.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:43.42 | azorian | hi, I have mounted a cifs remote directory uder /mnt, however node of the media player applciation for maemo that I've tried for os2008 (defualt media player, canola, etc) seems to allow reading media from anything other that the memeory cards. is there any way I could open my media from /mnt? thanks. |
| 20:45.20 | gnuton | Hey finaly seems that CMake works fine in scratchbox... |
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| 20:46.04 | ali1234 | gnuton: what are you using it for? |
| 20:46.52 | gnuton | ali1234: I'm trying to compile Quassel |
| 20:47.22 | gnuton | unfortunatelly cmake.mk is not provided by CDBS... ;/ |
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| 20:47.38 | fiferboy | gnuton: :D |
| 20:47.51 | fiferboy | I looked at compiling quassel for maemo before, but didn't make it far |
| 20:48.36 | gnuton | fiferboy: I compiled it for Diablo.. but the UI have to be rewritten.. |
| 20:49.03 | gnuton | gnuton: and this time I'm going to rewrite it.. since I'm enough sad this evening to do that.. |
| 20:49.06 | RST38h | Sts: this is stupid idealistic crap |
| 20:49.39 | fiferboy | gnuton: It would be nice to have an IRC client with a fremantle-specific UI |
| 20:49.49 | RST38h | Sts: It is ok when an aging Boston hippie who always walks around with a personal kettle and a supermarket plastic bag filled with tea bags says that |
| 20:50.01 | fiferboy | X-Chat is fairly usable, but that's aboot it |
| 20:50.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: okay, true. i turned into luke-jr there for a second. |
| 20:50.13 | RST38h | Sts: But claiming this as some kind of a worldwide rule is silly |
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| 20:50.56 | gnuton | fiferboy: we need something better that the current Fremantle XChat..actually I don't know if Quassel can be better.. but I can try do hildonize it a bit.. |
| 20:51.06 | RST38h | qwerty12: Left comment on #5524. Check it out, you will like it, in a macabre kinda way |
| 20:51.32 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: -.- |
| 20:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | gnuton, what's wrong with qwerty12_N900's port? |
| 20:51.51 | RST38h | General: It crashes when saving config |
| 20:51.57 | gnuton | GeneralAntilles: it's not finished yet... |
| 20:52.00 | lcuk | it needs help! |
| 20:52.02 | RST38h | So, I can't really configure it :) |
| 20:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | I works well here. . . . |
| 20:52.10 | RST38h | Mgedmin's port is more stable |
| 20:52.15 | RST38h | General: Try saving config :) |
| 20:52.18 | GeneralAntilles | s/I/It/ |
| 20:52.29 | GeneralAntilles | I got my config how I wanted on an older version, I guess. |
| 20:52.40 | RST38h | see? lucky. |
| 20:52.43 | lcuk | therein lies the testing thing with apps lol |
| 20:52.44 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: This is probably the same thing I touched on (but did not know it) when I said that VGBA used to hang for me when I opened the menu |
| 20:53.03 | RST38h | I had to delete all the old config because some setting there screwed XChat-N900 up |
| 20:53.11 | qwerty12_N900 | 's version is pretty shitty |
| 20:53.18 | RST38h | qwerty: Yea, that may be it |
| 20:53.22 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing I wish for in XChat would be a proper viewport widget. |
| 20:53.36 | lcuk | is there a nice diagram showing the history of the xchat developments into maemo 5 |
| 20:53.36 | RST38h | qwerty: I am at loss figuring out how to avoid this stuff :( |
| 20:53.53 | lcuk | or did both qwerty and marius both start from same src |
| 20:54.34 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: At least the backend of the Media player is out in the open :\ |
| 20:54.49 | RST38h | qwerty: I doubt it has anything to do with the problem |
| 20:55.07 | Moo___ | will production device ship with qt libs installed? |
| 20:55.10 | RST38h | qwerty: Looks like PA problem. There is an updated PA package in the repo but I am scared to upgrade it |
| 20:55.26 | Stskeeps | Moo___: if not, very very easily to depend on them |
| 20:55.46 | lcuk | how far back does qt compatability go |
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| 20:56.25 | w00t | depends, really |
| 20:56.29 | qwerty12_N900 | RST: True, just wondering if it is specific to the Media player only; does this happen when you leave other PA-utilizing programs in the background |
| 20:56.42 | w00t | 4.x goes all the way back, and it also has QtSupport for a bunch of 3.x stuff |
| 20:57.01 | RST38h | qwerty: Lemme try two emulators |
| 20:57.08 | lcuk | w00t, w00t |
| 20:57.15 | RST38h | OhwaitIcan't |
| 20:57.31 | RST38h | because they shut down sound when losing focus :) |
| 20:57.34 | Moo___ | Stskeeps: so basically it is possible to roll out qt basic apps without too much effort on the end user (e.g. sources.list hacking)? |
| 20:57.37 | Moo___ | nice |
| 20:57.37 | Moo___ | qt is nice |
| 20:57.42 | qwerty12_N900 | RST: Hehe |
| 20:58.00 | RST38h | qwerty: If you have something installed that does not shut down audio, give it a try =) |
| 20:58.46 | lcuk | luke scared himself shitless before. he was lookin round the n900 and put moobox on, didnt know and put it to his ear and it went off |
| 20:59.02 | lcuk | should i mark that as a bug |
| 20:59.06 | lcuk | or feature |
| 20:59.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:59.15 | qwerty12_N900 | is using the Media player, ATM. XChat in one window, Media player in the other |
| 21:02.09 | Moo___ | lcuk: there is a product called moobox? :o |
| 21:02.13 | Moo___ | dances |
| 21:02.42 | kalikiana | does it give milk when you squeeze the device? |
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| 21:03.22 | lcuk | Moo___, yes |
| 21:03.26 | lcuk | and its amazing |
| 21:03.41 | lcuk | the most simple app known to gtk |
| 21:04.00 | lcuk | :) a static picture, a bit of accelerometer magic and a moo sound |
| 21:04.07 | lcuk | it will spawn 100 clones |
| 21:04.24 | qwerty12_N900 | You're just biased: It uses your accelerometer code |
| 21:04.35 | Moo___ | lcuk: hey... that's ported to openmoko also ;) |
| 21:04.45 | lcuk | and now our patch for focus lol |
| 21:04.50 | lcuk | its maemos app now! |
| 21:04.57 | lcuk | lol Moo___ |
| 21:05.09 | Moo___ | I think I need to create patch for this moobox... for just the sake of the name |
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| 21:05.15 | lcuk | why cant we have apps running in the task switcher all the time btw |
| 21:05.28 | lcuk | Moo___, you should port bullshitbingo |
| 21:05.35 | lcuk | thats another favourite |
| 21:06.24 | lcuk | why cant attitude show me accelerometer orientation whilst im running moobox |
| 21:06.35 | lcuk | so i could then see the orientation changes needed whilst playing |
| 21:06.55 | ali1234 | probably moobox holds the device open for reading |
| 21:07.08 | lcuk | nahh |
| 21:07.13 | lcuk | its solid reliable code |
| 21:07.14 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:07.20 | ali1234 | HAHAHA |
| 21:07.22 | lcuk | i use it 247 in liqbase |
| 21:07.40 | woglinde | he lcuk |
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| 21:08.02 | lcuk | i can understand not wanting to update screen too often |
| 21:08.24 | lcuk | but think we must find a way to allow some multitasking rather than just task switching |
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| 21:09.02 | lcuk | which is what we are rounding on |
| 21:12.00 | clmntch | j0 |
| 21:12.41 | Moo___ | lcuk: how so? |
| 21:13.07 | lcuk | apps are being asked to stop running when they havent got focus |
| 21:13.14 | lcuk | to stop running down the battery |
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| 21:13.26 | Moo___ | but they can opt-out from this behavior, right? |
| 21:13.31 | Moo___ | like... background apps |
| 21:13.33 | lcuk | so - if all apps follow that advice, the dashboard becomes a task switcher |
| 21:13.37 | lcuk | and not a live overview |
| 21:13.42 | lcuk | yes |
| 21:13.53 | Moo___ | or do they need different process for background tasks like on symbian? |
| 21:13.58 | lcuk | but that was a blocker for some apps in the testing marathon |
| 21:14.08 | Mek | yeah, it's already quite annoying that the clock in the dashboard is always not displaying the current time.. |
| 21:14.13 | lcuk | no apps can exist in the background |
| 21:14.20 | Moo___ | good |
| 21:14.23 | lcuk | and thats easy from a technical basis to achieve |
| 21:14.28 | lcuk | its how you warn the user tho |
| 21:14.32 | Moo___ | because the world needs background apps |
| 21:14.37 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:14.39 | Moo___ | I will run moobox on background 24/7 |
| 21:14.50 | lcuk | no, you wont |
| 21:14.53 | lcuk | we patched it |
| 21:15.02 | lcuk | its only a part time moo |
| 21:15.03 | Moo___ | aaah---- what have you done??? |
| 21:15.05 | lcuk | you have to give it all your attention |
| 21:15.10 | Moo___ | *sob* |
| 21:15.18 | lcuk | only run between focusin..focusout |
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| 21:15.31 | lcuk | you can install old versions :) |
| 21:15.42 | lcuk | speaking of old versions, hi jeremiah \o :p |
| 21:17.13 | lcuk | what would happen if you built an OS out of tag definitions only |
| 21:17.28 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, so what would true multi-tasking be? windows side by side? |
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| 21:17.40 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Already looking at liqos? |
| 21:17.51 | lcuk | no qwerty12_N900 |
| 21:17.59 | lcuk | i just think of the same thing when i think of app versions |
| 21:18.05 | lcuk | i have multiple clocks |
| 21:18.13 | lcuk | and multiple versions of flow |
| 21:18.13 | lcuk | etc |
| 21:18.43 | lcuk | if an area of the system just said i need a clock, dont care which, just a clock |
| 21:18.58 | lcuk | and then as new variations and things came out a user could just change |
| 21:19.15 | lcuk | like ciro with his monster mission |
| 21:19.44 | lcuk | kalikianatoli, maemo does it now |
| 21:19.55 | lcuk | the dashboard shows multiple parallel running apps |
| 21:20.10 | lcuk | but we are being moved away from that model |
| 21:20.23 | lcuk | and asked to stop running apps when they are not in focus |
| 21:21.44 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, ah. I guess to save power it's not a bad idea |
| 21:21.58 | kalikianatoli | you just have a problem when you have something like irc or music |
| 21:22.15 | woglinde | powersaving is essential |
| 21:22.16 | lcuk | yeah i know its for that |
| 21:22.33 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: It's a fair request, I mean, not everyone is going to be looking at the Dashboard 24/7 |
| 21:22.34 | lcuk | but it prevents Moo___ from running moobox and being able to tip his machine upside down when he wants a laugh |
| 21:22.49 | lcuk | i know |
| 21:23.01 | lcuk | im not saying its bad, im just thinking if theres a variation idea |
| 21:23.19 | lcuk | on the dashboard, a user would expect to see all his apps running |
| 21:23.49 | lcuk | would it be reasonable to allow that, and busy running apps continue when on dashboard |
| 21:23.49 | kalikianatoli | apps can detect that easily, you could special case it |
| 21:24.11 | SpeedEvil | Or make expose events also expose when the dashboard is about to be shown |
| 21:24.12 | lcuk | but have those same apps start to idle once another app actually fullscreens |
| 21:24.33 | SpeedEvil | though care'd have to be taken to avoid swap hell |
| 21:24.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:24.47 | lcuk | so, you are running supertux, moobox, mario, mplayer etc. |
| 21:24.54 | lcuk | all could run in the dashboard if a user wants |
| 21:25.02 | lcuk | when you click to maximuxe moobox |
| 21:25.07 | lcuk | the others then go to sleep |
| 21:25.13 | woglinde | lcuk yo |
| 21:25.24 | woglinde | thats how it should work |
| 21:25.46 | lcuk | but, then you have the other thing |
| 21:25.48 | qwerty12_N900 | I still don't get the drama over an app that displays an image of a cow-in-a-box and makes a sound when you turn the N900 |
| 21:25.51 | lcuk | people will just leave the dashboard on |
| 21:26.19 | Moo___ | qwerty12_N900: I also assume you don't understand why iFart sold 300 000 copies >_> |
| 21:26.23 | SpeedEvil | It'd also be nice if they could say 'I'd like 10ms/10s of timeslice when idle to paint my dashboard icon. |
| 21:26.26 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, its something quick simple and able to explain a concept well with code we can all understand |
| 21:26.26 | woglinde | qwerty *g* |
| 21:26.31 | lcuk | and make hundreds of copies of |
| 21:26.32 | Moo___ | qwerty12_N900: we call it "humanity" |
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| 21:27.10 | woglinde | re javis |
| 21:27.20 | javispedro | re |
| 21:27.26 | qwerty12_N900 | Moo___: Ah, I see... I come from Mars so this concept of "humanity" is alien to me :-) |
| 21:27.44 | lcuk | no, you just get the concepts explained over first beer ~ 18 :P |
| 21:27.46 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, if people leave the dashboard on the screen will still fade, so it could be "if in foreground or task switcher but screen not blank" |
| 21:27.54 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:27.55 | Moo___ | qwerty12_N900: you will be disappointed... |
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| 21:28.44 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, the moobox is the same principle as the torch |
| 21:30.10 | lcuk | kalikianatoli, the sleeping app problem has one defined bug to date |
| 21:30.17 | lcuk | the clock app sleeps |
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| 21:30.32 | lcuk | so it remains locked at the time it was when you opened the dashboard! |
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| 21:31.53 | lcuk | hey fiferboy yerga |
| 21:33.00 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, what I find "fascinating" is that it even keeps the same time when you switch to the desktop and see the time and go back to the switcher |
| 21:33.05 | yergaN900 | Hi lcuk |
| 21:33.19 | lcuk | kalikianatoli, i nearly missed a train cos of that |
| 21:33.38 | lcuk | in liqbase i had to create the entire timer class specifically for it! |
| 21:34.25 | lcuk | hows it goin yergaN900 |
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| 21:38.53 | wazd | what a game, what a game |
| 21:41.45 | kalikianatoli | tell me about it |
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| 21:45.40 | wazd | every reviewer told that Droid's keyboard sucks balls |
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| 21:46.05 | wazd | The question is - why it's there |
| 21:46.06 | RST38h | wazd: even Eldar? :) |
| 21:46.11 | nikosapi | Is there some documentation for osso-media-server's dbus api? |
| 21:46.41 | nikosapi | a list of available member functions would be nice :S |
| 21:46.43 | Moo___ | wazd: lonely nerds would like such a keyboard ;P |
| 21:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, worse, it's /ugly/. |
| 21:48.14 | wazd | RST38h: no, but he told that it's "way better than n97" and since they are practicaly has the same design I really ponder bout his adequacy :) |
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| 21:50.41 | RST38h | wazd: probably attempting to sucking up to Motorola |
| 21:51.16 | RST38h | wazd: Samsung alone won't suffice a income source |
| 21:51.22 | RST38h | s/a/as |
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| 21:51.27 | wazd | RST38h: btw, he has some stolen unit again, since he has no backlight for bottom symbols |
| 21:51.36 | wazd | RST38h: and I saw youtube videos with it |
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| 21:51.52 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRiGZ_0Fblk |
| 21:52.01 | RST38h | let us see =) |
| 21:52.10 | wazd | That's what he called "way faster than n900" meh |
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| 21:53.11 | RST38h | sifficult to judge by the video |
| 21:54.06 | wazd | RST38h: well, at least desktop scroll lags |
| 21:59.08 | jeremiah | So much extras-testing hate. |
| 21:59.25 | RST38h | jeremiah: surprised? |
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| 21:59.33 | GeekShad__ | hello |
| 21:59.39 | jeremiah | RST38h: heh. Well, a little I have to admit. |
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| 21:59.47 | jeremiah | hello GeekShad__ |
| 22:00.05 | GeekShad__ | I got a question, which format maemo use to record with the microphone ? |
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| 22:00.16 | RST38h | jeremiah: next time you plan something like that, factor in human behavior |
| 22:00.29 | jeremiah | Yes sir. |
| 22:00.44 | RST38h | not that it is too late to consider it for THIS attempt =) |
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| 22:01.10 | jeremiah | It is all going to work out, the process is not that hard and we can make it easier and smoother |
| 22:01.14 | jeremiah | :) |
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| 22:01.29 | RST38h | Heard that one before, long time ago in fact |
| 22:01.54 | lcuk | wazd, considering that device is MT its needing a lot of pressure to get feedback, or is that only him? |
| 22:02.00 | jeremiah | Well, there seems to be some vague consensus that it does force one to make better software. |
| 22:02.04 | lcuk | the pinch he did was awfully executed |
| 22:02.07 | azorian | hi, what would be the recommende options for video playing using mplayer on a nokia 810? (without reencoding the videos) |
| 22:02.13 | RST38h | Rather than admiring great strategic vision, can I suggest a few tactical tricks? |
| 22:02.26 | jeremiah | GeekShad__: I am not sure about the codec used to record sound. |
| 22:02.44 | jeremiah | GeekShad__: You might record something, then see if you can find out what type of file it is |
| 22:03.05 | GeekShad__ | jeremiah, I don't own maemo device :/ |
| 22:03.10 | jeremiah | azorian: There is loads of video playing software, take your pick! |
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| 22:03.15 | GeekShad__ | jeremiah, I'm a fennec addon develloper |
| 22:03.22 | jeremiah | GeekShad__: Ah okay. |
| 22:03.35 | jeremiah | Aren't you guys calling it firefox for mobile now or something? |
| 22:03.42 | jeremiah | No more fennec? |
| 22:03.53 | GeekShad__ | jeremiah, yep it will be firefox mobile |
| 22:04.03 | jeremiah | okay, cool |
| 22:04.21 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, thanks for that email. |
| 22:04.28 | dmj7261 | any plans to bring firefox to other phone platforms, haven't heard anything to that effect? |
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| 22:04.41 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Thank you for your reasoned commentary. |
| 22:04.42 | lcuk | wazd, also, the hidden gestures. you can see him pausing on each screen and wondering which to use. |
| 22:04.45 | GeekShad__ | dmj7261, they may target android |
| 22:04.50 | azorian | jerimiah: yeah, but right now mplayer is the only one i can use since I'm playin video from the command line. I just need to know what are the best command line options that people have found on the n810. -vo xv? what about audio output? etc. |
| 22:04.58 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: People like you are invaluable in any community. |
| 22:04.58 | lardman | hey jeremiah |
| 22:05.00 | dmj7261 | wouldn't that take a rewrite in java? |
| 22:05.11 | lardman | jeremiah: can you remove things from extras-devel? |
| 22:05.15 | GeekShad__ | dmj7261, i'm not sure |
| 22:05.18 | jeremiah | lardman: Yes indeedy! |
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| 22:05.23 | lardman | cool |
| 22:05.26 | lardman | wipe the lot! |
| 22:05.38 | lardman | oh, no, I meant just a couple of things, let me find the names |
| 22:05.45 | GeekShad__ | so anybody know the audio record format ? anyone with a device can look ? |
| 22:06.10 | jeremiah | heh |
| 22:06.15 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, reactions like just aren't productive. |
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| 22:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | s/like/like that/ |
| 22:07.05 | jeremiah | I agree, though I understand the frustration a bit. |
| 22:07.11 | lcuk | lardman, +1 extras-devel SHOULD perhaps be wiped |
| 22:07.18 | lcuk | give apps 40 days to be tested |
| 22:07.20 | lcuk | then boot em |
| 22:07.25 | lcuk | 30* |
| 22:07.25 | jeremiah | azorian: I unfortunately am not the right person to ask. :/ |
| 22:07.34 | lardman | jeremiah: ethos http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/e/ethos/ there are 3 groups of files in there, by date, could you wipe the first two groups? |
| 22:07.34 | RST38h | pacifies lcuk |
| 22:07.41 | jeremiah | No worries - lardman told me to wipe the repos and I did! |
| 22:07.51 | VDVsx | wazd, moto droid sucks, only 256mb to install apps :P |
| 22:07.52 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, sure, but it's not like it's a process that isn't responsive to input. ;) |
| 22:07.52 | lardman | oops |
| 22:08.03 | RST38h | VDVsx: 70MB, some say |
| 22:08.05 | lcuk | lol lardman |
| 22:08.06 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, I could see it being justified when dealing with, say, Nokia. |
| 22:08.10 | jeremiah | GeneralAntilles: Exactly! All we need is input and some constructive criticism. |
| 22:08.11 | lcuk | you could use this to your advantage |
| 22:08.22 | jeremiah | lardman: Okay, which grouping of ethos? |
| 22:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | But the pouting just doesn't help here. |
| 22:08.34 | RST38h | jeremiah: I do not believe you listen to constructive criticism =) |
| 22:08.43 | jeremiah | RST38h: Not yours anyway. :P |
| 22:08.46 | VDVsx | RST38h, maybe, perhaps already has some apps installed, the whole space is 256mb |
| 22:08.52 | RST38h | jeremiah: So I figured |
| 22:09.01 | RST38h | VDVsx: Free space is said to be ~70MB |
| 22:09.02 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, OS is on there. |
| 22:09.18 | lardman | jeremiah: well you could just wipe them all and I'll upload again, but otherwise I want to keep the latest group of files |
| 22:09.27 | jeremiah | RST38h: What criticism do you have, I'm happy to listen. :) |
| 22:09.49 | lardman | for me the latest ones all read 03.11.2009 17:56 |
| 22:09.50 | jeremiah | lardman: Okay, I'll wipe out the ethos files and remove the earliest by date. |
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| 22:09.57 | RST38h | jaremiah: Well, first, neither voting UI nor product information editing UI work right now |
| 22:09.58 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I read 512mb, 1/2 for the OS and the other half for apps, not sure :) |
| 22:10.02 | qwerty12_N900 | I say to hell with extras-testing and extras-devel: everything uploaded should go straight to Extras |
| 22:10.11 | lcuk | jumped back in |
| 22:10.21 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, ah, interesting. |
| 22:10.21 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, all that is coded by Niels and I don't want to re-code it without him. |
| 22:10.25 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: and stop lardman from uploading too to avoid breaking things? |
| 22:10.36 | RST38h | jeremiah: Whatever people say about maemo.org being under heavy load, 5 people voting on apps should NOT cause the server to delay responses for minutes |
| 22:10.41 | lcuk | well qwerty, the download accept will have your personal phone number and email address |
| 22:10.49 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, it's NOT just 5 people. :) |
| 22:10.49 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yes, very fair criticism. |
| 22:10.53 | lcuk | infact, thats not a bad idea |
| 22:11.02 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Nah, you're VIP, you're always on the front page... |
| 22:11.07 | RST38h | General: It is. I am talking about a very specific use case |
| 22:11.08 | lardman | jeremiah: also, could you wipe all of libchamplain please: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libc/libchamplain/ |
| 22:11.11 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: ;) |
| 22:11.13 | jeremiah | RST38h: But, you will see a HUGE change once we up our infrastructure by the power of 10! |
| 22:11.16 | lcuk | lol see lardman |
| 22:11.21 | RST38h | jeremiah: I doubt it :( |
| 22:11.28 | jeremiah | RST38h: I promise. |
| 22:11.33 | jeremiah | I guarantee |
| 22:11.33 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Number: 999. E-mail: lcuksux@whatever.com |
| 22:11.38 | lardman | jeremiah: and emerillon also: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/e/emerillon/ |
| 22:11.45 | lcuk | RST38h, im betting its specific queries |
| 22:11.49 | RST38h | jeremiah: The current dynamics seem to indicate that there is some problem with the coding rather than resources (although that too) |
| 22:11.51 | jeremiah | lardman: okay dude. Were you on crack today? |
| 22:11.55 | lcuk | based on specific subsets of stuff in the new packages area |
| 22:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | jeremiah, lardman is always on crack. |
| 22:12.05 | lardman | well I used a stupid naming scheme |
| 22:12.14 | jeremiah | RST38h: We are going to move the repos to separate machines, generally scale out horizontally |
| 22:12.15 | w00t | no web application should cause that kind of delay really |
| 22:12.17 | qwerty12_N900 | jeremiah: (He also wants you to remove his upload rights, too) |
| 22:12.23 | lardman | so I may as well wipe the slate clean and start again |
| 22:12.25 | RST38h | jeremiah: My second suggestion is to decrease the Extras promotion threshold to 5 votes for now |
| 22:12.25 | w00t | (unless it has a problem) |
| 22:12.33 | lcuk | w00t, you havent used maps |
| 22:12.34 | RST38h | jeremiah: Notice "for now". |
| 22:12.43 | jeremiah | I am just going to shut down garage until Niels gets back - then he can deal with you lot. |
| 22:12.45 | lbt | has anyonw found they can't play back video recorded on the device? |
| 22:12.52 | lardman | lol |
| 22:12.57 | RST38h | jeremiah: The problem is that users are generally lazy and they will not vote on apps even when using them |
| 22:12.58 | lcuk | lbt, whilst the tracker is ummm tracking |
| 22:13.02 | lcuk | theres a delay |
| 22:13.10 | jeremiah | RST38h: That is potentially a real problem. |
| 22:13.18 | RST38h | jeremiah: You can easily see this by looking at votes in Diablo Downloads |
| 22:13.26 | lcuk | look for me ranting in some ML or another about "we are maemo" recordings |
| 22:13.27 | w00t | lcuk: no, I haven't, I do have a fair amount of experience in the field though |
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| 22:13.30 | RST38h | jeremiah: Compare numbers of votes to numbers of downloads |
| 22:13.37 | lcuk | w00t, its bad in the cities too |
| 22:13.43 | lbt | lcuk: yeah, that must have been it |
| 22:13.46 | lbt | it plays now |
| 22:13.47 | lardman | Does anyone else thing it would be useful to be able to withdraw ones own packages from extras-devel, as long as nothing depends on them? |
| 22:13.48 | jeremiah | RST38h: Well that ratio is always going to be a bit asymetrical. |
| 22:13.57 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, yes. |
| 22:13.59 | lbt | it came up "unsupported format" |
| 22:14.01 | lcuk | lbt, and it really gets its knickers in a twist |
| 22:14.06 | RST38h | jeremiah: So, judging from the current vote numbers in Extras-Testing, it makes sense to lower threshold to 5 votes and see what happens |
| 22:14.07 | lcuk | if you do multiple really short clips |
| 22:14.26 | jeremiah | I will propose we drop the threshold to 5 days. |
| 22:14.29 | RST38h | jeremiah: Does not look like there will be a disaster |
| 22:14.42 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: Yes. We need protection from your stuff |
| 22:14.45 | jeremiah | I will send an email to the list(s) about that and see if we can't get that done. |
| 22:14.53 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: oi! |
| 22:14.56 | lcuk | speaking of which - a few folks had an email from me last night, has anyone had a go (mail me back or pm me please) |
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| 22:15.28 | jeremiah | goes to erase all of larman's hard work today. |
| 22:15.33 | lardman | lcuk: yeah go on then |
| 22:15.49 | lardman | jeremiah: not all, leave some of ethos behind :) |
| 22:15.54 | jeremiah | heh |
| 22:15.58 | RST38h | jeremiah: javispedro also has been having troubles with packages that are not apps but required by apps |
| 22:15.58 | lardman | or just get rid and I'll upload again |
| 22:16.00 | lardman | :) |
| 22:16.19 | RST38h | jeremiah: but I can't say much about it, he has more info |
| 22:16.21 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, we have been going through some of that on the lists, hhedberg had an issue there too |
| 22:16.21 | javispedro | hey, prove that extras-testing works by voting BOTH http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openttd/0.7.3-1maemo1 and http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/openttd-opengfx/0.1.1 |
| 22:16.26 | lcuk | great! i will send you another mail, theres incentives coming i believe |
| 22:17.06 | lcuk | does the webcam we got from skype work anywhere other than skype btw |
| 22:17.17 | jeremiah | I am right in my statement that while the process is klunky and not perfect, it does help improve software somewhat? |
| 22:17.18 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: I'ma feel sorry for you everytime you put out an update |
| 22:17.33 | Flandry | i can't find the document that describes what signals an app should respond to when it is minimized. Anyone point me the right direction? |
| 22:17.40 | RST38h | jeremiah: At the moment, I doubt it :) |
| 22:17.54 | lcuk | flandry, just a mo |
| 22:17.57 | VDVsx | lardman, the dev should also have the ability to remove thinks from -testing, I proposed that on the Q&A buzz |
| 22:17.59 | jeremiah | Well I have heard some noises in that direction. |
| 22:18.00 | lcuk | i documented a patch yesterday |
| 22:18.12 | javispedro | don't worry. Maemo.org will selfdestruct before the next openttd version because TEN people will try to vote at the same time |
| 22:18.21 | RST38h | Diablo Extras are pretty stable too at the moment, and they are not even using the QA mechanism |
| 22:18.26 | lcuk | Flandry, http://pastebin.com/f53ed4882 |
| 22:18.41 | qwerty12_N900 | TEN?! The 770s will blow up. |
| 22:18.43 | lcuk | jeremiah, 100% |
| 22:18.48 | ShadowJK | someone made diablo gainroot spew warnings |
| 22:18.50 | Flandry | thanks |
| 22:19.00 | lcuk | yes the process WILL improve apps |
| 22:19.19 | lcuk | its like buying a new pair of shoes tho |
| 22:19.23 | lcuk | takes a bit of time to wear in |
| 22:19.30 | RST38h | probably, yes |
| 22:19.53 | lcuk | once you know the hoops needed, you jump |
| 22:20.00 | lcuk | without thinking |
| 22:20.05 | lcuk | we have been lax |
| 22:20.10 | jeremiah | lcuk: Well said. |
| 22:20.10 | lardman | VDVsx: glad it's not just me who thinks that then :) |
| 22:20.17 | lardman | and GAN of course |
| 22:20.40 | jeremiah | so lardy, you wanna keep the versions with git in them correct? |
| 22:20.42 | lcuk | of course jeremiah i really dislike parts of the testing |
| 22:20.51 | lcuk | but now that we can point testers at a whole list of apps |
| 22:20.56 | lcuk | and say try a bunch of those |
| 22:20.57 | lardman | yes please |
| 22:20.59 | lcuk | and they come back with info |
| 22:21.02 | jeremiah | lcuk: Yeah, but hopefully we can fix it. |
| 22:21.14 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:21.19 | lcuk | we must. |
| 22:21.39 | javispedro | yes, because people are apphungry. |
| 22:21.44 | VDVsx | jeremiah, btw, you'll announce the Q&A meeting, right ? :) |
| 22:21.45 | lcuk | nods |
| 22:21.59 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Yes indeed, still composing the email. :) |
| 22:22.16 | VDVsx | jeremiah, ah, np, just checking ;) |
| 22:22.19 | javispedro | found a fansite that is mirroring "maemo apps" by putting the .install apps in rapidshare |
| 22:22.20 | RST38h | jeremiah: Oh, one more thing: it has been widely discussed that once the package gets into Extras, updates to it should require less votes |
| 22:22.43 | jeremiah | RST38h: Yeah, we have been discussing that mechanism on the lists |
| 22:22.45 | RST38h | jeremiah: Not having that pretty much punishes developers actively updating their products |
| 22:22.51 | jeremiah | And we are talking about keeping karma. |
| 22:22.54 | lcuk | is there a difference between an app which gets an update 3 days after the last one and an app that gets an update 6 months later |
| 22:23.03 | jeremiah | So yeah, that is something everyone is looking at. |
| 22:23.23 | lcuk | RST38h, continuously need forecourt salespeople |
| 22:23.25 | kalikianatoli | javispedro, "mirroring" by having textual references to repositories? ouch :) |
| 22:23.29 | lcuk | to introduce the apps to a new crowd |
| 22:23.38 | javispedro | kalikianatoli: exactly. |
| 22:23.42 | lcuk | when it was the existing users who detected the problem |
| 22:24.05 | RST38h | lcuk: this gets too complicated |
| 22:24.11 | lcuk | yeah does |
| 22:24.19 | lcuk | the date thing shouldnt tho |
| 22:24.23 | lcuk | nice and simple |
| 22:24.37 | lcuk | you are updating updating updating, your karma should remain |
| 22:24.41 | lcuk | cos you are working on it |
| 22:24.52 | lcuk | but 6 months later, why shouldnt it be retested |
| 22:25.09 | javispedro | and I don't agree with the weird ideas about using the packaging version |
| 22:25.16 | javispedro | native apps won't change the -0maemoX version |
| 22:25.17 | lcuk | me neither |
| 22:25.23 | lcuk | app devs use totally random versions |
| 22:25.24 | Flandry | lcuk: where did you find that documented? I remember reading it somewhere. My app doesn't use gtk :/ |
| 22:25.26 | javispedro | ports changing the -0maemoX might mean drastical changes. |
| 22:25.38 | lcuk | Flandry, irc discussion |
| 22:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | I get the sense that some of these people feel like their toes are being stepped on. |
| 22:25.45 | lcuk | what does it use |
| 22:25.53 | Flandry | sdl |
| 22:25.56 | kalikianatoli | hrm... emerillon isn't integrated at all :-/ |
| 22:26.03 | kalikianatoli | <-- disappointed |
| 22:26.08 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles indeed |
| 22:26.13 | lcuk | and i see the point |
| 22:26.38 | kalikianatoli | the irony is that it is blindingly fast and unlike maps, works |
| 22:26.38 | javispedro | Flandry: "minimized"? read about SDL events, specially ACTIVATE. |
| 22:27.04 | Flandry | it runs fullscreen, so i basically meant loss of focus i guess |
| 22:27.07 | lcuk | kalikianatoli, in -devel ? |
| 22:27.15 | qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: I guess it's quite the change... From being able to promote anything in chinook/diablo. Of course, this is what helped Extras to be full of stuff that does not need to be there. Like libraries in user/ |
| 22:27.17 | lcuk | yes Flandry |
| 22:27.36 | jeremiah | I just saw emerillion go into the repos recently . . . |
| 22:27.45 | lcuk | you just killed it didnt you |
| 22:28.00 | lcuk | ahh no, you were killing lardmans ethos |
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| 22:28.10 | kalikianatoli | lcuk, yep |
| 22:28.12 | qwerty12_N900 | I always knew jeremiah was a murderer |
| 22:28.23 | lardman | kalikianatoli: am working on it, hold your horses! |
| 22:28.36 | jeremiah | kill! |
| 22:28.37 | Flandry | so SDL knows when it loses focus? |
| 22:28.51 | javispedro | Flandry: yes. |
| 22:28.55 | lardman | jeremiah: actually, can you purge all of libchamplain, just realised there was a mistake in there too |
| 22:28.59 | Flandry | kthnx |
| 22:29.05 | jeremiah | lardman: Sure. |
| 22:29.16 | javispedro | I would link to the SDL_ActiveEvent docs if I had a URL. |
| 22:29.45 | lardman | thanks |
| 22:29.52 | kalikianatoli | lardman, oohh, I'll try to but my horse is hot-blooded. :D |
| 22:30.06 | lcuk | lol lardman just like that! |
| 22:30.09 | jeremiah | libchamplain is gone, it is an ex-library, it has gone to meet its maker |
| 22:30.23 | lcuk | jeremiah, can you delete qwerty12_N900 please |
| 22:30.28 | lcuk | errr sorry |
| 22:30.33 | lcuk | jeremiah, can you purge qwerty12_N900 please |
| 22:30.33 | jeremiah | rm -rf qwerty12_N900 |
| 22:30.41 | lcuk | thx |
| 22:30.43 | jeremiah | rm -rf qwerty* |
| 22:30.51 | Flandry | ha |
| 22:30.53 | qwerty12_N900 | jeremiah, liq* needs removing |
| 22:30.55 | jeremiah | Doesn't seem to be working. |
| 22:31.05 | qwerty12_N900 | I'll make a new package in its place: liqtrash |
| 22:31.17 | lardman | great thanks, will replace it with a bigger and better version |
| 22:31.18 | jeremiah | Pronounced: Lick Trash. |
| 22:31.19 | Flandry | hope you brought TRON along to help you qwerty |
| 22:31.22 | lcuk | is preparing eureka right now :) |
| 22:31.22 | lardman | or a right-er version |
| 22:31.24 | qwerty12_N900 | Here lies the remains of what was some odd OS, liqbase |
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| 22:32.18 | javispedro | liqeureka |
| 22:32.22 | lcuk | no |
| 22:32.23 | lardman | wonders if lcuk is in therefore the bath |
| 22:32.24 | lcuk | just eureka |
| 22:32.36 | lcuk | its just another small app :) |
| 22:32.37 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: I'd run |
| 22:33.03 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman seems interested to know if you're in the bath |
| 22:33.16 | qwerty12_N900 | Try and avoid any bushes |
| 22:33.24 | lcuk | of course he is, we could have a pint |
| 22:33.31 | lcuk | simon is in bath too |
| 22:33.46 | lardman | bath of red wine |
| 22:33.50 | lcuk | bleugh |
| 22:33.54 | lardman | s/bath/haze |
| 22:34.00 | javispedro | reads about someone voting down some app because it would be hard to port to maemo6 |
| 22:34.09 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:34.16 | lcuk | was a typo |
| 22:34.23 | lcuk | meant to say winme |
| 22:35.02 | javispedro | a bath of red Windows ME? |
| 22:35.32 | javispedro | sees it was just a misunderstanding |
| 22:35.33 | qwerty12_N900 | Blue Windows Me |
| 22:35.49 | qwerty12_N900 | After all, BSODs were its speciality... |
| 22:36.30 | javispedro | would Windows ME pass Maemo QA? |
| 22:36.38 | javispedro | s/Maemo/-testing |
| 22:36.43 | qwerty12_N900 | Yeah |
| 22:36.46 | javispedro | start the flames! |
| 22:37.32 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: it would pass QA because in true Microsoft fashion they would just bump the version number from 4.2 to 4.3 and say in changelog "just cosmetic minor upgrade", thus inheriting previous version karma |
| 22:37.53 | lcuk | +1 |
| 22:37.55 | jeremiah | clubs javispedro |
| 22:38.03 | lcuk | and tick the box! |
| 22:38.10 | jeremiah | clubs lcuk |
| 22:38.52 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Hehe... I was thinking more along the lines: lcuk would rig the system and consistently vote it up because it said "Windows" in the name |
| 22:39.03 | lardman | qwerty12_N900: how do I get automake to run using cdbs? |
| 22:39.23 | qwerty12_N900 | Don't ask me, I hate the shit |
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| 22:40.00 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N900: Good answer. :) |
| 22:40.06 | jeremiah | That is my answer too. |
| 22:40.14 | qwerty12_N900 | Hehe |
| 22:40.14 | lardman | lol |
| 22:40.18 | javispedro | lardman: /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/autotools.mk this exists, but then... I don't what it does. |
| 22:40.25 | javispedro | s/don't/don't know |
| 22:40.52 | javispedro | possibly fscking your source tree and hiding your car keys |
| 22:41.04 | kalikianatoli | ^^ http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org/en/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id490459 |
| 22:41.06 | jeremiah | But aside from that it should work. |
| 22:41.27 | lardman | javispedro: thanks :) |
| 22:42.24 | lardman | hmm, and how to go from Makefile.in to Makefile? |
| 22:42.37 | lardman | bloody debian packaging breaking things |
| 22:42.53 | javispedro | proceds to vote down all -testing apps because they don't work in his N810. |
| 22:43.31 | qwerty12_N900 | goes to start a thread on -developers about javispedro |
| 22:43.44 | javispedro | s/javispedro/banning javispedro :) |
| 22:43.51 | RST38h | They installed Windows 7 on a clean machine with no anti-virus protection with User Access Control in its default configuration. They threw at it the next 10 virus/worm samples that came in the door. Seven of them ran; UAC stopped only one baddie that had run in the absense of UAC. |
| 22:44.15 | javispedro | Windows 7 UAC was seriously fscked. |
| 22:44.22 | RST38h | is. |
| 22:44.34 | qwerty12_N900 | Windows 7: |
| 22:44.38 | kalikianatoli | lardman, autotools.mk will try to run "configure" for you |
| 22:44.41 | qwerty12_N900 | *? |
| 22:44.55 | qwerty12_N900 | It served no useful purpose in Vista |
| 22:45.37 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=364875&postcount=14 |
| 22:45.37 | lardman | kalikianatoli: in a sub dir I have no Makefile (just .am/.in) and it's moaning about not finding target 'all' |
| 22:45.38 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:45.47 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: well, it seemed like they finally were going to teach a lesson to all those damn developers writing all over Program Files. |
| 22:46.01 | javispedro | but I guess Ballmer doesn't have the balls anymore... developers developers developers! |
| 22:46.19 | frals | grabs lcuk's n900 and runs for it |
| 22:46.43 | kalikianatoli | lardman, then your build scripts must be wrong, in a normal build they should generate those files |
| 22:46.44 | lcuk | frals, mind the door! |
| 22:46.47 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Be careful: You may find a chair heading your way for that comment... |
| 22:46.51 | javispedro | lcuk: and you told us that story that the finger cut was an "accident"... |
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| 22:47.13 | lardman | kalikianatoli: as I said before, damned debianisation! ;) |
| 22:47.52 | kalikianatoli | lardman, well, autotools + debian is a bit like salt on a wound I agree :) |
| 22:48.01 | javispedro | dodges flying chair. then proceeds to write preinst script that writes in both /home/user and /opt |
| 22:48.06 | lcuk | kalikianatoli, our debmaster is here |
| 22:48.13 | lcuk | and hes skilled in martial arts |
| 22:48.30 | lcuk | javispedro, theres a preinst? |
| 22:48.49 | javispedro | lcuk: preinst postinst prerm postrm |
| 22:48.58 | lardman | hmm, this is annoying as it built once, but never again |
| 22:49.10 | javispedro | BURN |
| 22:49.13 | qwerty12_N900 | echo "javispedro woz here 2k9" >> /home/user/.profile |
| 22:49.17 | javispedro | Build Uonce Run Never |
| 22:49.28 | javispedro | / TODO: Fix Uonce typo |
| 22:49.51 | lcuk | // TOD: teach javis to add extra slashes to irc comment jokes |
| 22:49.57 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 22:50.14 | javispedro | lcuk: I discovered what double slashes did in IRC because someone made that glaring omission |
| 22:50.18 | woglinde | lol |
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| 22:52.23 | lcuk | hvelarde|stealth we can still see you |
| 22:52.34 | hvelarde|stealth | lcuk: ;-) |
| 22:52.37 | javispedro | he definitely needs a better firewall |
| 22:53.12 | hvelarde|stealth | I'm in stealth mode not for you, but for my boss |
| 22:53.13 | lardman | so really, what command does one run on a Makefile.in to produce a Makefile? |
| 22:53.35 | lardman | configure? |
| 22:53.52 | javispedro | uh? automake? |
| 22:54.08 | javispedro | no, configure. |
| 22:54.11 | javispedro | :P |
| 22:54.28 | javispedro | maybe you missed the Makefiles in AC_OUTPUT |
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| 22:54.38 | mtnman | hello |
| 22:54.50 | lcuk | tried to dredge up his autotools knowledge |
| 22:55.00 | lardman | I didn't do anything, the debianisaton broke itself after one run through |
| 22:55.02 | lcuk | why havent we got a gnumaster |
| 22:55.06 | lardman | knows where to cast the blame |
| 22:56.16 | lcuk | can we get RMS in here and see if he can help explain autotools :D |
| 22:56.30 | qwerty12_N900 | lardman: So do we, so do we |
| 22:56.47 | lardman | oi, bloody thing was working, now it's broken |
| 22:57.07 | ShadowJK | some people just write configure scripts by hand instead of figuring out autotools |
| 22:57.07 | javispedro | lardman: time to "autoremake -vism" |
| 22:58.00 | lardman | I only have autoreconf |
| 22:58.01 | wazd | The first thing I did when I got an N900 in my hands - I woke up :D |
| 22:58.22 | javispedro | lardman: yeah, that will do. |
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| 22:58.37 | javispedro | or corrupt your source tree and donate all your money to the FSF. |
| 22:58.39 | javispedro | who knows. |
| 22:59.09 | javispedro | last time I tried to run that I think some partition on my hdd was formated with reiserfs. |
| 22:59.19 | lardman | failed |
| 22:59.32 | javispedro | "failed" -- that's it? |
| 22:59.43 | javispedro | well, they say unix utilities have to be terse, but... |
| 22:59.44 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/emerillon/ |
| 22:59.53 | lardman | libchamplain |
| 23:00.05 | lardman | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/build/map-friends/libchamplain/libchamplain-0.4.2] > autoreconf |
| 23:00.05 | lardman | aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined |
| 23:00.05 | lardman | autoreconf2.50: aclocal failed with exit status: 1 |
| 23:00.08 | lardman | to be more exact |
| 23:00.13 | javispedro | can it build outside scratchbox? |
| 23:00.21 | lardman | no idea |
| 23:00.30 | lardman | but it did build inside once, so I hope it will again |
| 23:00.31 | javispedro | my sbox is busy at the moment |
| 23:00.40 | lardman | np, qwerty12_N900! ;) |
| 23:01.01 | woglinde | lardman year autotools dont find gl_FUNC_ARGZ m4-macro |
| 23:01.05 | lardman | I bet it just builds for him too |
| 23:01.28 | lardman | woglinde: still doens't mean much to me I'm afraid :) |
| 23:02.35 | javispedro | lardman: you're linking with clutter 1.0 |
| 23:02.43 | javispedro | the device has 0.8 |
| 23:02.50 | javispedro | but 1.0 is in extras-devel iirc |
| 23:03.05 | woglinde | ah so its a gl macro |
| 23:03.06 | lardman | yes |
| 23:03.11 | woglinde | defined by clutter |
| 23:03.29 | javispedro | an autoconf macro? never seen that. |
| 23:03.59 | javispedro | blesses dget -x |
| 23:04.14 | woglinde | aclocal: macro `gl_FUNC_ARGZ' required but not defined |
| 23:04.36 | javispedro | an autoconf clutter macro, should I've said. |
| 23:04.51 | woglinde | ah its comming from newer libtool |
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| 23:05.03 | woglinde | argz.m4 |
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| 23:05.09 | woglinde | AC_DEFUN([gl_FUNC_ARGZ], |
| 23:05.21 | woglinde | so you need libtool2 |
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| 23:05.45 | woglinde | hm |
| 23:05.53 | woglinde | which libtool version fremantle has? |
| 23:06.08 | javispedro | 1.5.26-4 |
| 23:06.15 | woglinde | wtf? |
| 23:06.22 | woglinde | everyone uses libtool2 now |
| 23:06.26 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 23:06.29 | woglinde | okay |
| 23:06.35 | javispedro | fremantle is still a fork of debian ... sarge? |
| 23:06.44 | lardman | ah don't worry about it, just can never be recompiled |
| 23:06.47 | woglinde | maybee its enough to remove local libtool.m4 macros |
| 23:07.06 | woglinde | I did this often enough for chinook-compat in oe |
| 23:07.13 | lardman | jeremiah: did you scrub those files? Just wondering as I'm going to upload some replacements |
| 23:07.20 | woglinde | lardman look out for argz.m4 |
| 23:07.25 | woglinde | ltoptions.m4 |
| 23:07.38 | woglinde | ltsugar.m4 ltversion.m4 lt~obsolete.m4 |
| 23:07.41 | woglinde | remove them |
| 23:07.48 | woglinde | and run autoreconf again |
| 23:08.42 | lardman | remove in my make clean? |
| 23:08.52 | lardman | debian/rules clean even |
| 23:08.56 | woglinde | nope |
| 23:09.00 | woglinde | after unpacking |
| 23:09.08 | woglinde | before running autoreconf |
| 23:09.27 | GeneralAntilles | wonders how he got on both the Disney and WalMart mailing lists. |
| 23:09.27 | lardman | ok, thanks, will take a look |
| 23:09.43 | woglinde | general bambi |
| 23:09.51 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: buying Bambi from Walmart and filling in the warranty card...? ;) |
| 23:09.58 | GeneralAntilles | Damn! |
| 23:09.59 | Flandry | I'm looking at the SDL ActiveEvent documentation. When a fullscreen app in Maemo gets bumped back to a small icon in task switcher mode, is that just a loss of focus, or a loss of activity? |
| 23:09.59 | woglinde | lardman *5* |
| 23:10.25 | woglinde | Flandry why you need SDl? |
| 23:10.48 | Flandry | it's what the game i'm porting uses |
| 23:11.05 | javispedro | (curiosity) the game is? |
| 23:11.10 | Flandry | i'm trying to make it pause when out of focus |
| 23:11.31 | javispedro | Flandry: I'd consider the dashboard window being over "loss of focus" |
| 23:11.32 | wazd | ooops, just deleted HTC icons x( |
| 23:11.35 | Flandry | it's the star control 2 /ur quan masters game in extras-devel |
| 23:11.55 | woglinde | hm star control |
| 23:11.56 | woglinde | yes |
| 23:12.28 | tekonivel | ur quan jess!! |
| 23:12.53 | Moo___ | sends GO GO GO to tekonivel |
| 23:13.07 | Flandry | ha |
| 23:13.15 | Flandry | Orz are among us |
| 23:13.23 | Moo___ | *happy campers* wherE? |
| 23:13.32 | qwerty12_N900 | They must be destroyed |
| 23:13.38 | Flandry | indeed |
| 23:13.44 | javispedro | NEEDS 3d drivers |
| 23:13.55 | lcuk | needs 4d drivers |
| 23:14.01 | Moo___ | needs drivers |
| 23:14.03 | woglinde | hm was it star control where could turn your man into fuel? |
| 23:14.09 | Moo___ | woglinde: yes |
| 23:14.10 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: Kidnap Quim at that event |
| 23:14.14 | Flandry | yeah if you were druuge |
| 23:14.15 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:14.15 | Moo___ | Druuge - Crimson corporation |
| 23:14.16 | woglinde | haha |
| 23:14.36 | Moo___ | I was planning to name my company to Crimson corporation, but that might cause little fuzz among more conservative clients |
| 23:14.45 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: no, I will kidnap you and bring you over there, then take you to room 101 until you REALLY don't know how to code >:) |
| 23:15.31 | qwerty12_N900 | Hey, Spain seems nice... I wouldn't say no |
| 23:15.36 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 23:16.25 | javispedro | hey, QA testing really works. I got a througly review of openttd-opengfx sprites! |
| 23:17.12 | mikkov__ | javispedro: I really used some time on that! |
| 23:17.41 | javispedro | mikkov_: thanks! :) |
| 23:17.44 | lcuk | turns Moo___ upsidedown |
| 23:18.05 | VDVsx | lol |
| 23:18.25 | lcuk | qwerty12_N900, you still blocked from leaving the country? |
| 23:18.39 | lcuk | get yourself to this barcalona thing |
| 23:18.57 | lcuk | i bet your all round knowledge would help the hackathon |
| 23:18.58 | Moo___ | feels being australian |
| 23:19.06 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900 wants to be kidnaped it seems. do we have an app for that? |
| 23:19.09 | Flandry | qwerty is under house arrest? |
| 23:19.12 | mtnman | prefrontal are u in boulder? |
| 23:19.13 | lcuk | shut up OOW |
| 23:19.20 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Yes |
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| 23:20.00 | lcuk | turns Moo___ back round |
| 23:20.12 | Moo___ | quantum tunnels through Earth back to Finland |
| 23:20.13 | VDVsx | lcuk, btw, I don't see your name on the attendees list :P |
| 23:21.28 | qwerty12_N900 | He saw you were coming, VDVsx |
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| 23:22.16 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: you're wrong. he saw YOU weren't coming :D |
| 23:22.29 | lardman | hmm, what did I do wrong?: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-November/011125.html |
| 23:22.41 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: That's a bonus :-) |
| 23:22.42 | javispedro | rofls |
| 23:22.52 | Dantonic | is there a sample video taken with the N900 available for download anywhere? |
| 23:22.54 | javispedro | lardman: you win. best error ever. |
| 23:23.14 | Dantonic | I'd like to see the actual quality of the video as opposed to the youtube uploaded ones |
| 23:23.17 | javispedro | lardman: your prize is free promotion to extras without QA! |
| 23:23.18 | qwerty12_N900 | He loses: pH5 was the first to get that |
| 23:23.21 | lbt | lardman you used sudo |
| 23:23.23 | javispedro | ouch. :( |
| 23:23.27 | lardman | did I? |
| 23:23.29 | lardman | news to me |
| 23:23.35 | lcuk | VDVsx, where do i request |
| 23:23.39 | lcuk | is name on the list enough |
| 23:23.45 | lardman | lbt: but thanks for the pointer |
| 23:24.22 | VDVsx | lcuk, here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend#Attendees |
| 23:24.28 | lbt | vague chance you used su and it somehow got transformed |
| 23:24.29 | lcuk | i did that |
| 23:24.36 | lcuk | i never like editing wikitables tho lol |
| 23:24.50 | frals | youre gonna mess it up! |
| 23:25.16 | lardman | lbt: certainly can't see sudo in a grep of the build dir |
| 23:25.20 | mikkov__ | lardman: builder is broken, Somebody is live testing something I guess |
| 23:25.20 | javispedro | notes there are quite a few people now |
| 23:25.28 | lcuk | it was empty when i looked |
| 23:25.29 | mikkov__ | lardman: all packages are failing |
| 23:25.38 | lcuk | im added now btw |
| 23:25.52 | lardman | mikkov_: ah ok, thanks |
| 23:25.53 | lardman | :) |
| 23:26.14 | lcuk | RST38h, |
| 23:26.16 | lcuk | "If you have requested invitation and you are waiting for confirmation put "Requested" in the Attendance field. " |
| 23:26.50 | VDVsx | mikkov_, btw, not interested in the Barcelona ? :P |
| 23:27.10 | lcuk | that is different to the grid you just sent me to fill in, is the invitiation request simply adding self to the thread |
| 23:27.19 | RST38h | lcuk: Barcelona? |
| 23:27.35 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo-Barcelona_Long_Weekend |
| 23:27.42 | mikkov__ | VDVsx: I'm not sure if I have any suitable application |
| 23:27.54 | RST38h | lcuk: I have not requested an invitation, out of vacation days, managing a project |
| 23:28.06 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:28.24 | VDVsx | mikkov_, you can code, so... ;) |
| 23:28.30 | qwerty12_N900 | mikkov__: Say that OpenVPN Applet needs redesigning, or something :-) |
| 23:28.36 | VDVsx | lol |
| 23:28.41 | RST38h | No way to escape winter this year for me :) |
| 23:28.45 | javispedro | like if I put up a good excuse :) |
| 23:28.59 | VDVsx | mikkov_, some new menus for one of your games :) |
| 23:29.01 | lcuk | "will not easily run on maemo6" |
| 23:29.14 | lcuk | err build |
| 23:29.22 | mikkov__ | qwerty12: actually it does badly in all aspects :) right now it's crashing python |
| 23:29.34 | javispedro | python fault. |
| 23:29.41 | qwerty12_N900 | :\ |
| 23:30.27 | Moo___ | python neverrr fails :< |
| 23:30.29 | VDVsx | blames javispedro's openttd-opengfx for crashing python, hihihi |
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| 23:30.39 | mikkov__ | what's the general agenda of this Barcelona thing? Coding&designing? |
| 23:30.52 | lcuk | designing&coding |
| 23:30.53 | javispedro | damn sprites! they're evil! |
| 23:31.01 | javispedro | coding|designing |
| 23:31.04 | lcuk | mikkov_, just before the summit |
| 23:31.05 | VDVsx | mikkov_, there's also presentations I guess |
| 23:31.09 | lcuk | there was a cocreation workshop |
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| 23:31.40 | qwerty12_N900 | javispedro: You will recieve the highest form of punishment for this: a karma level of -1 |
| 23:31.50 | mikkov__ | lcuk: I heard about it, but never really found out what happened there |
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| 23:32.02 | javispedro | VDVsx: I still don't know about the presentations though. Response in barcelona tech about the event has been poor so far (as I predicted :P) |
| 23:32.09 | lcuk | VDVsx, you were there werent you |
| 23:32.25 | javispedro | so, unless they magically bring in some symbian devs... |
| 23:32.37 | RST38h | there are symbian devs? |
| 23:32.39 | lcuk | mikkov_, we spent time working through some ideas |
| 23:32.42 | javispedro | I know one! |
| 23:32.43 | lcuk | no coding tho |
| 23:32.47 | VDVsx | lcuk, where ? red light district that's false, never been there |
| 23:32.54 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:32.58 | lcuk | i meant cocreation |
| 23:33.02 | VDVsx | ah, yes |
| 23:33.06 | qwerty12_N900 | VDVsx: You still haven't sent me the pics |
| 23:33.15 | RST38h | is sure they will bring a few Symbian devs in a huge glass jar filled with alcohol |
| 23:33.17 | lcuk | mikkov_, we played hee haa hoe! |
| 23:33.17 | javispedro | cocreatin' in the red light district |
| 23:33.23 | qwerty12_N900 | haha |
| 23:33.36 | RST38h | And will only allow the attendees to look of them but NOT TOUCH |
| 23:33.37 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:33.43 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N900, don't joke about that shit. :( http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4029300431/ |
| 23:33.50 | Moo___ | RST38h: symbian dinosaur |
| 23:33.52 | RST38h | wonders if feeding will be allowed |
| 23:33.52 | lcuk | im sure theres lots of content created in the rld |
| 23:33.53 | javispedro | RST38h: haha |
| 23:34.05 | mikkov__ | is playing sopwith |
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| 23:35.03 | javispedro | RST38h: I know a symbian dev actually! he's a low level guy though, so I don't know if he ever uses whatever user space toolkits symbian has. |
| 23:35.03 | qwerty12_N900 | GeneralAntilles: Hehe. Quick, he isn't here; ban him from IRC! |
| 23:35.04 | RST38h | is a symbian dev |
| 23:35.08 | javispedro | quick, bring in the alcohol! |
| 23:35.10 | RST38h | Have not figured out how to use Avkon though, the thing crashes |
| 23:35.13 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Condolences |
| 23:35.28 | Moo___ | RST38h: KERN-EXEC (-3) |
| 23:35.40 | RST38h | or a variety of other unpleasant errors |
| 23:35.48 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: he's still alive! if we put him in the jar now we'll get the best show! |
| 23:35.52 | *** part/#maemo decasm (n=smithde@132-174-120-2.ip.oclc.org) |
| 23:36.19 | qwerty12_N900 | Hehe |
| 23:36.28 | RST38h | hmmm...time to get out until they preserve me for history |
| 23:36.35 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 23:36.42 | Moo___ | RST38h: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/group.php?gid=32856026894&ref=ts |
| 23:37.09 | javispedro | watches a helicopter fly |
| 23:37.25 | javispedro | lcuk, watch out. black helicopters coming for your n899 |
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| 23:37.48 | RST38h | Moo: these people obviously never developed for palmos |
| 23:37.58 | lcuk | upgrades to n899.1 and unticks keep karma |
| 23:38.01 | javispedro | palmos! I want to see it! |
| 23:38.11 | qwerty12_N900 | palmos sucks! |
| 23:38.14 | lcuk | wont we be landing at palmos airport? |
| 23:38.26 | qwerty12_N900 | escapes the wrath of javispedro |
| 23:38.27 | javispedro | no. it's "el prat". |
| 23:38.40 | javispedro | well, unless qgil decides to send you to the other side of the country. |
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| 23:39.09 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 23:39.19 | timeless_mbp | anyone know who pinged me and why? |
| 23:39.45 | RST38h | javis: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30428#8 |
| 23:40.10 | javispedro | yeah, I read that :D |
| 23:40.21 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, nope. |
| 23:40.46 | lcuk | timeless, scrollback |
| 23:40.55 | RST38h | 64000 bytes per code segment, non-functional compiler, native ARM code accessible through a single hole in a dll, no filesystem...umgh |
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| 23:41.03 | javispedro | nods |
| 23:41.03 | qwerty12_N900 | RST38h: Humping them alive gave more satisfaction... |
| 23:41.14 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: my scrollback is apparently too limited |
| 23:41.24 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: use the logs |
| 23:41.27 | lcuk | but, as qwerty points out, you are timeless :P |
| 23:41.29 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 23:41.35 | lcuk | hard to parse qwerty12_N900 |
| 23:41.36 | javispedro | RST38h: I know the damn platform well.... it was beatiful :) |
| 23:41.48 | lcuk | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html |
| 23:41.48 | RST38h | the best thing they could do would probably reimplementing the entire "OS" in a single smallish UI library on top of Linux |
| 23:41.50 | frals | [21:39:44] <AndrewFBlack> GeneralAntilles, yeah well I'm no going any where now I get aggervated at t.m.o but not leaving community look at timeless he has o posts on t.m.o lol |
| 23:42.02 | qwerty12_N900 | lcuk: Use the search function |
| 23:42.03 | frals | guess that couldve been it? ;o |
| 23:42.04 | javispedro | RST38h: they did. it's what GVM is. |
| 23:42.06 | lcuk | shhh RST38h thats what the others are doing |
| 23:42.08 | RST38h | But no, they were too smart for that |
| 23:42.20 | RST38h | javis: Isn't GVM an emulator? |
| 23:42.22 | timeless_mbp | frals: thanks |
| 23:42.23 | javispedro | nope. |
| 23:42.42 | frals | np |
| 23:42.42 | javispedro | RST38h: do a symbol table dump in any GVM library and watch for MemPtrNew |
| 23:42.49 | javispedro | MemChunkNew actually |
| 23:43.18 | RST38h | javis: No no, GVM runs native PalmOS apps on Maemo |
| 23:43.25 | RST38h | javis: Hence it is an emulator |
| 23:43.41 | javispedro | RST38h: it does not emulate anything. it just runs a PalmOS 5 rom |
| 23:43.49 | javispedro | which contains a m68k emulator for palmos 4 apps |
| 23:43.56 | javispedro | but pnolets are not emulated. |
| 23:44.04 | RST38h | Hmmm |
| 23:44.20 | RST38h | this isn't exactly what I meant |
| 23:44.33 | RST38h | I meant to throw the palmos rom away completely |
| 23:44.57 | javispedro | well, the "database filesystem" requires a continuous chunk of memory |
| 23:44.59 | RST38h | take the UI framework, implement it as a little Linux library, continue writing apps under linux rather than palmos |
| 23:45.13 | RST38h | because palmos has not been salvageable |
| 23:45.20 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 23:45.38 | qwerty12_N900 | looks at the Palm Pre: No shit :) |
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| 23:45.52 | pupnik_ | 64k segment... |
| 23:45.57 | javispedro | RST38h: as I said, take a look at any of the symbols in the gvm .so files |
| 23:45.59 | pupnik_ | twitches |
| 23:46.03 | RST38h | 64000 for some reason |
| 23:46.16 | javispedro | the rom is just for filesystem reasons |
| 23:46.28 | javispedro | the segment size varied from version to version |
| 23:46.32 | RST38h | javis: can you take a .so and use it separately from the gvm though> |
| 23:46.52 | javispedro | RST38h: well, that would be like taking GDI out of windows and trying to use it somewhere else. |
| 23:46.55 | lardman | night all |
| 23:47.02 | javispedro | but at some point I guess you can take a subset of it.. |
| 23:47.14 | RST38h | javis: and that is exactly what I suggested :) |
| 23:47.28 | RST38h | javis: that database crap was pretty useless |
| 23:47.37 | RST38h | no need to carry it over |
| 23:47.55 | RST38h | notices he should be asleep. Applying fixes. |
| 23:48.02 | javispedro | Feedback :) |
| 23:48.02 | javispedro | gnite |
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| 23:48.24 | pupnik_ | f part of brain could keep coding while sleeping that would be good |
| 23:48.31 | pupnik_ | review over breakfast |
| 23:48.39 | javispedro | qwerty12_N900: you still have to receive your punishment for insulting palmos |
| 23:48.44 | javispedro | adds to GPE ToDo |
| 23:49.01 | qwerty12_N900 | Copy of Windows ME? |
| 23:49.15 | javispedro | hum. |
| 23:49.22 | javispedro | a 2009 computer with Windows ME. |
| 23:49.23 | lcuk | pupnik_, tracy often says if i get disturbed in my sleep i talk code |
| 23:49.24 | javispedro | that is evil. |
| 23:49.37 | pupnik_ | who built dosbox for n900, qole? |
| 23:49.42 | lcuk | it would run viruses quicker than ever |
| 23:49.42 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 23:49.43 | javispedro | pupnik_: me... |
| 23:49.58 | Robot101 | does dosbox do any IPX emulation? |
| 23:50.00 | javispedro | same flags as n810, since, well, I don't know any better. |
| 23:50.03 | pupnik_ | it can |
| 23:50.06 | Robot101 | I want to know if I can play networked command and conquer :) |
| 23:50.07 | pupnik_ | k |
| 23:50.17 | Robot101 | ooh |
| 23:50.22 | Robot101 | so, we should port it to telepathy |
| 23:50.23 | Robot101 | :) |
| 23:50.28 | pupnik_ | 386/486 games may be too slow |
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| 23:50.39 | javispedro | it can, i don't know if the version in extras does ( i remember tinkering with it, but not what I did exactly) |
| 23:51.53 | lcuk | party @ javispedro's house! |
| 23:51.59 | lcuk | 50 hackers descend |
| 23:52.18 | javispedro | erases all his maemo.org accounts, changes his first name and hides |
| 23:52.39 | *** join/#maemo kov (n=kov@debian/developer/kov) |
| 23:52.41 | lcuk | you would come out of hiding when we arrived |
| 23:52.44 | lcuk | we would wave n900s |
| 23:52.53 | javispedro | sniffs them already from here |
| 23:52.59 | lcuk | lol |
| 23:53.03 | lcuk | cool |
| 23:54.13 | GeneralAntilles | Why do people insist on recommending R&D mode. . . . |
| 23:54.21 | javispedro | because it sounds good. |
| 23:54.32 | javispedro | R&D mode sounds like your average politician bullshit. |
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| 23:55.29 | VDVsx | R&D pufff, for what I need that shit ? o_0 |
| 23:55.30 | javispedro | and I guess it's hard to delete a thousand google hits talking about it. |
| 23:57.19 | lcuk | 1001 now you guys brought it up |
| 23:57.27 | lcuk | carry on, google is listening |
| 23:57.29 | javispedro | touché. |
| 23:57.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Nah, google doesn't index sites with the work "lcuk" in 'em |
| 23:57.59 | qwerty12_N900 | word, even |
| 23:58.14 | Proteous | R&D mode makes you L33T. everyone knows this |
| 23:58.17 | lcuk | the Lamborghini Club UK are upset |
| 23:58.33 | lcuk | 1002 |
| 23:59.45 | woglinde | laallaaaa |
| 23:59.52 | pupnik_ | n900 would look good in a nice audi r8 |
| 23:59.53 | woglinde | fighting with setuptools |
