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| 00:15.14 | comhack | I have a n810 and I was wondering how I can type a f-key like f-10? I remotely connected to a gnuscreen session on my desktop with my n810. Thanks |
| 00:16.50 | comhack | Is it possible? |
| 00:17.36 | zerojay | Some of the hardware keys are set to fkeys, actually. |
| 00:17.38 | till- | isn't there a modifier like for ctrl+ key? |
| 00:17.41 | zerojay | If what I remember is correct. |
| 00:17.48 | comhack | thanks |
| 00:18.14 | comhack | no just the number keys and some symbols are on the keyboard |
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| 00:19.13 | comhack | http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/media/tracyandmatts_blog/windowslivewriter/nokian810internettabletreview_563d/n810_main_2.jpg |
| 00:19.32 | comhack | sorry |
| 00:20.07 | till- | comhack do you use osso_xterm? |
| 00:20.14 | comhack | yeah |
| 00:20.39 | till- | maybe you can add a shortcut to the bar |
| 00:20.51 | till- | with the value of your f-key |
| 00:21.01 | comhack | ok sounds like a plan |
| 00:21.44 | till- | i don't know which values are recognized, but maybe you can look it up |
| 00:21.52 | comhack | looking now thanks |
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| 00:26.12 | zerojay | People are somehow getting their hands on 1.2009.42-7. Something I missed? |
| 00:26.52 | timeless_mbp | i think there's an SSU going somewhere |
| 00:26.59 | timeless_mbp | not sure if that was 42-7 |
| 00:27.17 | ShadowJK | people are somehow getting their hands on n900 :( |
| 00:30.44 | wazd | whah, most of the reviewers find Moto Droid "beautiful" |
| 00:31.19 | wazd | I wonder what exactly is beautiful in it |
| 00:31.34 | ShadowJK | it has the early 90s look :) |
| 00:31.42 | wazd | late 80's :) |
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| 00:32.13 | ShadowJK | reminds me of startrek movies for some reason |
| 00:32.17 | wazd | I love that MOTOROLA label |
| 00:32.33 | wazd | on the front |
| 00:33.30 | wazd | also that cheap white signs of touch buttons |
| 00:33.37 | wazd | looks like chineese stuff |
| 00:34.20 | zerojay | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33678&page=2 <-- Never thought I would see these results. |
| 00:35.22 | wazd | zerojay: why? I used Nokia player all the time before I bought A2DP headphones |
| 00:35.45 | wazd | zerojay: It plays music, what else should it do :) |
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| 00:36.05 | zerojay | wazd: I personally have always loved just using Media Player, but it seemed like everyone was jumping on the Canola bandwagon... at least with OS2008. |
| 00:36.54 | wazd | zerojay: I use canola now cause it was the only player that I figured out to config for A2DP playback :) |
| 00:37.14 | wazd | zerojay: and it plays music too :D |
| 00:37.48 | zerojay | Won't be a problem on N900. |
| 00:38.01 | zerojay | Though I don't have a set of bluetooth headphones. |
| 00:38.49 | wazd | zerojay: n900 music player looks a bit outdated though :) |
| 00:39.13 | ShadowJK | sort of split between mplayer and nokia. mplayer is ease of mind, it plays all formats. nokia has nicer, though very slow, interface |
| 00:41.21 | zerojay | wazd: How so? |
| 00:41.42 | zerojay | ShadowJK: on OS2008, right? |
| 00:42.02 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 00:42.06 | wazd | zerojay: well, dunno, ask maemo UI team :D |
| 00:42.45 | ShadowJK | i don't think format support for music is much different on n900? |
| 00:42.52 | zerojay | wazd: Okay, I will. |
| 00:43.03 | wazd | http://my-symbian.com/other/grafika/scr93.jpg |
| 00:43.34 | wazd | dunno, looks "unordered" or something |
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| 00:43.52 | zerojay | Okay. |
| 00:43.58 | timeless_mbp | pokes qwerty in absenti |
| 00:44.03 | timeless_mbp | s/ti/tia/ |
| 00:44.35 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 00:44.52 | wazd | for example that's what I've done for my FRUCT keynote http://i026.radikal.ru/0910/69/91ec894369b4.jpg |
| 00:45.16 | zerojay | That looks terrible. :/ |
| 00:45.28 | wazd | zerojay: oh :D |
| 00:45.46 | zerojay | lol.. sorry... |
| 00:46.00 | zerojay | I mean in terms of layout. |
| 00:46.13 | zerojay | Not so much what you did with it... but just... portrait mode in general. |
| 00:46.43 | wazd | zerojay: looks fine to me :) Large playlist, large buttons, large seek bar :) |
| 00:48.13 | zerojay | yeah... much prefer the look of the N900 music player now. |
| 00:48.59 | zerojay | I kind of wonder what a white theme would look like on the N900. |
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| 01:40.51 | uhsf | Android 2.0 new GPS navigation UI looks quite neat. |
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| 01:47.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 01:48.58 | wazd | uhsf: it can't cache maps |
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| 01:48.58 | wazd | uhsf: so think again :) |
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| 03:30.27 | zerojay | X-Fade: Someone on TMO complaining that he can't promote his package because of midgard timeout errors. |
| 03:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | We need servers. |
| 03:33.10 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, and you're not paying enough tribute. :P |
| 03:35.56 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: What, do I gotta sacrifice someone to the god of X-Fade now? lol |
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| 03:36.10 | zerojay | Good thing we've got frank-wagner around. |
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| 03:45.01 | bfrog | I've been reading people complaining n900 has crashing issues and such? |
| 03:45.31 | bfrog | how does maemo today compare to android would you guys say? besides the number of apps, maemo seems a lot nicer of a platform? |
| 03:46.19 | ShadowJK | I like that it's closer to being a standard linux distro |
| 03:47.47 | zerojay | I don't know where these crashing issues are coming from because in the entire time I've had my N900, I was only able to crash it maybe twice in 1 1/2 months. |
| 03:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, open governance, actually vaguely compatible with desktop Linux. |
| 03:48.24 | GeneralAntilles | It's lightyears ahead where it counts. |
| 03:49.40 | bfrog | whats the real-world battery life on one? |
| 03:49.47 | rsalveti | the open part of android is basically the kernel |
| 03:49.50 | bfrog | and is mms going to work on it eventually? |
| 03:49.56 | bfrog | yeah, thats what sucks about android |
| 03:50.00 | rsalveti | and even with that is not so standard |
| 03:50.02 | bfrog | its like, lets take linux, and gimp it with java |
| 03:50.16 | rsalveti | yep |
| 03:50.25 | bfrog | I imagine n900 has some closed source radio and graphics chip modules, and thats about it? |
| 03:50.50 | rsalveti | probably these are the only "required" closed source software |
| 03:51.01 | rsalveti | the graphic chip is the worst one, because it's out of nokia control |
| 03:51.05 | ShadowJK | battery stuff too |
| 03:51.12 | rsalveti | yep, true |
| 03:51.55 | bfrog | yeah, thats typical though... it'd either be what, TI with powervr or nvidia with tegra? |
| 03:52.08 | ShadowJK | ti |
| 03:52.15 | bfrog | would it be difficult to upgrade the kernel then? |
| 03:52.47 | bfrog | it'd have to be like the nvidia driver right, the module is open, but does some funny business to use closed source code? |
| 03:53.19 | bfrog | also, is n900 going to mms support? |
| 03:53.28 | ShadowJK | who knows.. |
| 03:54.10 | rsalveti | probably, but who knows when :-) |
| 03:54.33 | ShadowJK | mms might be obsolete first |
| 03:54.44 | rsalveti | haha, true |
| 03:54.48 | oilinki | are you able to login as root to N900? and then again, able to start calls, send sms from the command line? |
| 03:55.01 | rsalveti | root at n900 is trivial |
| 03:55.11 | rsalveti | now the others I don't know yet, but probably yes |
| 03:55.19 | rsalveti | because nokia modems are not just at commands |
| 03:55.30 | ShadowJK | I doubt there are any commandline tools included for it :) |
| 03:55.32 | rsalveti | they have theier own protocol |
| 03:55.42 | rsalveti | but guess that ofono will soon support it |
| 03:55.48 | ShadowJK | n900 doesn't use ofono |
| 03:56.04 | rsalveti | i know, but ofono is including the support for the nokia modem format |
| 03:56.14 | rsalveti | and you'll probably be able to use it soon, if you want |
| 03:56.23 | rsalveti | ofono will probably be included in harmattan |
| 03:56.46 | oilinki | initiating calls is a great advantage.. but also there is a risk of real viruses etc. |
| 03:56.53 | rsalveti | yep |
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| 04:01.37 | bfrog | so no mms then? |
| 04:01.42 | bfrog | thats a bit disappointing |
| 04:01.51 | rsalveti | do you really use mms? |
| 04:01.56 | bfrog | yes |
| 04:02.01 | bfrog | a lot |
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| 04:02.22 | ShadowJK | mms is painful, the amount of work involved is like writing a new gecko from scratch ;-) |
| 04:03.20 | oilinki | mms was only hilarious when it was required to iPhone.. but in reality very very few people use it. |
| 04:03.59 | bfrog | except you know, how do I get pictures from my friends with the cheapo nokia phones then? |
| 04:04.07 | ShadowJK | there's a bunch of people looking at it, but they're mostly distracted by mostly irrelevant minor details in order to avoid facing the huge WAP spec :) |
| 04:04.31 | ShadowJK | oh they can just put in your email address instead of your phone number... mms is nice like that |
| 04:06.09 | ShadowJK | it's the other direction that's tricky :) |
| 04:06.19 | bfrog | why would you need WAP for MMS |
| 04:06.35 | ShadowJK | because that's what it is |
| 04:07.01 | GeneralAntilles | oilinki, it's just Telepathy. |
| 04:07.25 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, open kernel drivers shouldn't affect kernel upgradeability. |
| 04:07.30 | ShadowJK | an MMS is approximately an SMS with a link to some WAP page. Often it's accessed through a different APN than WAP, though, but the phone downloads and stores that wap page |
| 04:07.48 | ShadowJK | so for full MMS support you'd need to write a full WAP browser, plus more... |
| 04:08.06 | bfrog | isn't WAP just a subset of html? |
| 04:08.10 | ShadowJK | nope. |
| 04:08.14 | bfrog | lame. |
| 04:09.00 | ShadowJK | It's "let's ignore tcp, http and html, and make something new that does the same" |
| 04:09.46 | ShadowJK | This might be why it never caught on. A html subset would've been sensible, but noo... |
| 04:10.13 | bfrog | don't most of the carriers support it though, and it seems to be supported by symbian phones? |
| 04:10.23 | ShadowJK | support what? |
| 04:10.26 | bfrog | mms |
| 04:10.30 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 04:12.18 | bfrog | well whatever, I guess thats not a huge loss... I've lived without mms seeing as I currently have a craptacular winmo phone |
| 04:12.37 | bfrog | I wish phones were more like computers, here's the hardware, put whatever software you want on it, I really wish it was like that |
| 04:13.24 | ShadowJK | there's a guy in here who runs gentoo on his n810 :-) |
| 04:13.45 | bfrog | nice :-) |
| 04:13.48 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, that's where we're trying to move with Mer. |
| 04:13.50 | GeneralAntilles | and Maemo |
| 04:13.52 | oilinki | ShadowJK: I agree. is there something else on mms, than receiving sms, authenticating to the mms-server, fetching files, converting smil to html and presenting it on webpage? :) |
| 04:13.57 | bfrog | whats Mer? |
| 04:14.15 | ShadowJK | community edition |
| 04:14.18 | ShadowJK | of maemo |
| 04:14.37 | bfrog | oh, no not nokia driven then? |
| 04:14.52 | ShadowJK | nope |
| 04:15.24 | bfrog | does mer work on any real world devices at the moment? |
| 04:15.31 | bfrog | I guess nxxx's |
| 04:15.42 | bfrog | but like, I couldn't just blow away my winmo phone :-P |
| 04:16.09 | ShadowJK | Oh there was this guy who was putting it on a HTC of some sort.. |
| 04:16.39 | bfrog | well someone ported android to this phone |
| 04:16.45 | bfrog | doesn't work with the radio though |
| 04:16.55 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 04:17.03 | bfrog | and its ridiculously slow |
| 04:17.33 | bfrog | would mer take over maemo on the n900 at some point? |
| 04:17.51 | ShadowJK | no |
| 04:18.01 | GeneralAntilles | Depends on the user |
| 04:18.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's about two things: long-term commoditizing the software and defragmenting mobile Linux |
| 04:18.42 | ShadowJK | Well yeah, the goal is for it to become an alternative, I believe |
| 04:18.55 | GeneralAntilles | and providing the open source parts of the Maemo stack for other devices. |
| 04:19.06 | bfrog | whats not open source in maemo? |
| 04:19.20 | GeneralAntilles | Some UI differentiation stuff, some connectivity stuff and some power stuff. |
| 04:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | It's about 80/20 open/closed overall. |
| 04:19.28 | rsalveti | few parts, but the development process of maemo is not so open |
| 04:19.33 | ShadowJK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture the red bits are closed source |
| 04:19.40 | rsalveti | you can develop any application and add those to the repository |
| 04:19.47 | rsalveti | but it's quite hard to change the core parts |
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| 04:20.01 | rsalveti | so mer handles that in a quite easy way |
| 04:20.08 | rsalveti | an easy to hack distro |
| 04:20.08 | GeneralAntilles | rsalveti, more open than Android. |
| 04:20.19 | rsalveti | GeneralAntilles: for sure :-) |
| 04:20.29 | rsalveti | android sucks, in my point of view :-) |
| 04:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully Nokia's going to improve on this point with Harmattan, too. |
| 04:20.55 | rsalveti | yeah, I'm waiting for that |
| 04:21.01 | GeneralAntilles | Ideally Mer and Maemo will merge at some point in the future when Nokia starts to get things better. |
| 04:21.09 | rsalveti | probabaly |
| 04:21.14 | ShadowJK | about "does mer work on any real world devices"... Mer on SmartQ is probably better than their original firmware ;-) |
| 04:21.20 | bfrog | android just doesn't seem that interesting |
| 04:21.24 | bfrog | as a user or a developer |
| 04:21.29 | rsalveti | yep |
| 04:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | Does that Samsung SoC have a PowerVR? |
| 04:21.49 | bfrog | webos is more interesting to me than android is |
| 04:21.52 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, it's not called by any names in the specs |
| 04:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, ah, but it is a GPU? |
| 04:23.07 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully the Maemo 5 desktop will work OK on there. |
| 04:23.24 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, yes. Of the interesting stuff, there's hardware mpeg4 sp and h264 baseline decode, hw scaling, 3D GPU with some sort of shaders too |
| 04:23.33 | bfrog | whats with pulseaudio pep being closed source |
| 04:23.38 | GeneralAntilles | Nice |
| 04:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | I wish the SmartQ package wasn't so ugly. |
| 04:24.02 | ShadowJK | and specs are so leaked they're practically available to anyone.. |
| 04:24.08 | ShadowJK | just a google search away |
| 04:24.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'd love to have a SmartQ7 with similar core specs, 1024x600 and a better fit'n'finish |
| 04:24.28 | ShadowJK | I find my Q7 a bit inpractical :) |
| 04:24.50 | GeneralAntilles | I'd use something like that around the house for movies, recipes in the kitchen, etc. |
| 04:25.28 | ShadowJK | I'm not so sure anymore there's a use for something in between pocketable and netbook |
| 04:25.46 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 04:25.50 | bfrog | yeah, I'd either pocket or netbook it |
| 04:26.07 | GeneralAntilles | I almost always have one of my tablets with me. |
| 04:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | My N900 pretty much only leaves my pocket when I'm at my desk. |
| 04:26.21 | ShadowJK | It'd be useful bolted to dashboard in car, but I suspect it'd die first night out in the cold :) |
| 04:27.01 | bfrog | is n900 built pretty good? I remember my old nokias could be dropped like a hundred times and work fine |
| 04:27.11 | GeneralAntilles | I'd rather have a Cortex for a carputer. |
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| 04:27.25 | bfrog | I dropped this htc phone 1 time, once, uno, and it has a huge dent and now feels like everything is loose |
| 04:27.26 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, since it's a loaner I haven't done any drop-testing. ;) |
| 04:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | Well, once about 5' onto carpet |
| 04:27.37 | GeneralAntilles | Which it survived just fine |
| 04:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | It feels very solid |
| 04:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | Much less plasticy than previous tablets. |
| 04:28.05 | bfrog | any idea if tmobile usa will subsidize it in the near future? |
| 04:28.10 | GeneralAntilles | I dropped my N800 all of the time |
| 04:28.20 | ShadowJK | i've dropped my N800 a few times. bed -> floor when I fell asleep. I probably rolled over it a few times too in my sleep too. still works |
| 04:28.32 | GeneralAntilles | Which is hilarious because all of the pieces go flying everywhere when it impacts. |
| 04:28.54 | GeneralAntilles | Faceplate in one direction, buttons in another, battery cover, battery and sometimes the internal SD |
| 04:29.02 | GeneralAntilles | and the camera pops out |
| 04:29.08 | rsalveti | hahaha, true |
| 04:29.11 | bfrog | yeah, thats why those nokia phones survive man, its like legos or something, almost made to fall apart instead of just going crunch |
| 04:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | So if the battery doesn't come out (which is most of the time) you get to see yourself staring worriedly at it as you bend down to pick it up. |
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| 04:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | I know I've slept on my N900 a few times. |
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| 04:30.45 | ShadowJK | A guy at work lost his phone. He found it 3 days later, submerged on the lake bottom at 1m depth. He fished it up, removed the battery and sim card and let it dry out for a couple of days. It worked perfectly :-) |
| 04:30.58 | ShadowJK | a nokia prism, iirc |
| 04:31.03 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, well, it's big for a phone, but it's not exactly mattress sized. are you like 3" tall? |
| 04:31.31 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, closer to 3.7". I really wish we had a 4.1" screen. :( |
| 04:31.42 | ShadowJK | Oh I saw a big phone the other day. Same guy as above. I forget its number, but it's the N-series one that folds like a camcorder |
| 04:31.52 | GeneralAntilles | N93i? |
| 04:31.57 | ShadowJK | yeah probably |
| 04:32.04 | GeneralAntilles | Had that phone |
| 04:32.06 | ShadowJK | it has gigantic camera module and lens :) |
| 04:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty decent |
| 04:32.12 | GeneralAntilles | S60 sucks, though |
| 04:32.17 | GeneralAntilles | Nice camera |
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| 04:32.46 | ShadowJK | if you didn't see the keypad you'd think it's a video camcorder :) |
| 04:32.52 | ShadowJK | when it'd folded out into the camcorder shape |
| 04:32.55 | ShadowJK | it's* |
| 04:33.37 | johnx | ah. i remember that one |
| 04:33.49 | ShadowJK | I know it's outdated by now, the RAM would be aggravatingly inadequate, and the OS is a few generations crappier than S60 today, but I almost want to have one |
| 04:34.07 | GeneralAntilles | Optical zoom was really nice |
| 04:35.01 | ShadowJK | with a lens 4 times the size of normal cameraphones.. |
| 04:35.12 | GeneralAntilles | Actually, I had an N93. |
| 04:42.08 | bfrog | well cool, I might wait for n910 or whatever has maemo 6, might not |
| 04:42.20 | bfrog | multitouch and a slightly slimmer form factor would have been nice |
| 04:42.47 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, long wait. |
| 04:43.06 | johnx | doesn't miss the multitouch... |
| 04:43.13 | bfrog | yeah, if I wait, I'll pick up a E series for a $150 or so |
| 04:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | Multitouch is usually overrated. |
| 04:43.26 | GeneralAntilles | Only thing it's really useful for is replacing hardware buttons in games. |
| 04:43.54 | johnx | it's nice for zooming and all...and scrolling on laptop touchpads |
| 04:45.13 | rsalveti | yeah, it only seems to be useful when playing games |
| 04:45.18 | bfrog | well, the whole Qt aspect sort of hits home for me as well, I'm probably alone here in this group, but I actually like Qt quite a lot more than GTK, mostly due to documentation honestly |
| 04:45.26 | rsalveti | most of the ui stuff you don't actually touch much |
| 04:46.13 | bfrog | why's that, more just draw to the screen type stuff with sdl? |
| 04:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, I find pinch zooming to mostly be obnoxious. |
| 04:47.32 | johnx | it would be fine if we had zoom buttons instead of volume buttons... |
| 04:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 04:48.05 | GeneralAntilles | Well, we can fix that in most apps. |
| 04:48.08 | cleary | multi touch scroll is much more intuitive than the kinetic scrolling imo |
| 04:48.19 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia just loves to adopt stupid things from S60, though. |
| 04:48.21 | cleary | or the location scroll on touchpads |
| 04:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, er, multitouch scroll? |
| 04:48.30 | johnx | actually what's really cool that I really want is a touchscreen bigger than the LCD |
| 04:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | On a touchscreen or trackpad? |
| 04:48.38 | johnx | the n900 is perfectly set up for it |
| 04:48.44 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, indeed. |
| 04:48.57 | GeneralAntilles | The 5800 has a little off-screen touch hotkey |
| 04:48.59 | GeneralAntilles | which is great. |
| 04:49.01 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: the only place I've seen it is on touchpads |
| 04:49.13 | bfrog | palm pre has that |
| 04:49.22 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, it sounds like it would suck on the N900. |
| 04:49.28 | GeneralAntilles | Since you'd have to take a hand off the device to do it. |
| 04:49.35 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: no |
| 04:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | Unless you can do it with two thumbs. . . . |
| 04:49.43 | cleary | two fingers on one screen |
| 04:49.46 | bfrog | why fennec btw, why not webkit? |
| 04:49.52 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, hum? |
| 04:49.56 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: ie two fingers on one hand |
| 04:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, MicroB is using Gecko. |
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| 04:50.09 | cleary | kinetic scrolling is a bit hit and miss |
| 04:50.13 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, why is that better than flicking one finger? |
| 04:50.14 | GeneralAntilles | Meh |
| 04:50.18 | GeneralAntilles | It works fine for me. |
| 04:50.19 | cleary | multi touch scroll is accurate |
| 04:50.29 | GeneralAntilles | and, again, I'd have to take one hand off the device to two-finger scroll. |
| 04:50.37 | GeneralAntilles | So one hand would constantly be moving back and forth. |
| 04:50.46 | bfrog | well why gecko then |
| 04:50.56 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: there's no reason you couldn't offer both options at once |
| 04:51.03 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, mostly for historical reasons. |
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| 04:51.16 | johnx | bfrog, historically, better compatibility than webkit. but tear is out as well |
| 04:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, WebKit was still pretty useless when Nokia picked an engine. |
| 04:51.36 | bfrog | gotcha |
| 04:51.39 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: at least on this n97 I have to take a hand off anyway to get a finger in the active scroll area |
| 04:51.43 | bfrog | still basically khtml then |
| 04:51.45 | GeneralAntilles | But Gecko provides a lot of stuff that WebKit doesn't. |
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| 04:52.13 | bfrog | ? |
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| 04:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, there's no active scroll area on Maemo 5. |
| 04:52.23 | bfrog | I hadn't heard that before, like what? |
| 04:52.23 | GeneralAntilles | The active scroll area is the list. |
| 04:52.37 | johnx | bfrog, firefox extensions |
| 04:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, bookmark management, certificate management, etc. |
| 04:52.42 | GeneralAntilles | That |
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| 04:52.45 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: that's the area I'm talking about |
| 04:52.54 | zgold | Hi! Is it possible to check if a service is already running via dbus? |
| 04:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, my thumbs reach everywhere on the N900. |
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| 04:53.23 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, so I can go between the keyboard and screen without effort. |
| 04:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, the difference between the engines is pretty slim these days. |
| 04:53.43 | cleary | pulls the n97 out again |
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| 04:54.02 | bfrog | seems that way, same with the javascript interpretters |
| 04:54.07 | johnx | on hardware that has enough RAM to run gecko the difference doesn't seem very large at all |
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| 04:54.14 | bfrog | seems they're all becoming pretty much the same with a different name |
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| 04:54.29 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: fair enough - I can reach, I'm finding my thumbs aren't treated as "sensitively" as my index finger |
| 04:54.34 | GeneralAntilles | bfrog, competition has been helping browser development a lot. |
| 04:54.44 | bfrog | yeah |
| 04:54.52 | GeneralAntilles | cleary, I'm a looongtime thumb typist on the 770/N800 |
| 04:54.57 | bfrog | the IE bell is ringing |
| 04:55.02 | GeneralAntilles | So I'm very used to making my thumbs work on resistive screens. |
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| 04:55.12 | bfrog | alright, well game time, then sleep time |
| 04:55.16 | GeneralAntilles | So used to it that I reverse iPhone fingered a G2 at FLS. ;) |
| 04:55.18 | bfrog | thanks for the chit chat |
| 04:55.38 | cleary | GeneralAntilles: that would make sense then :) I'm a long time tactile touch pad typer from the E70 onwards :) |
| 04:55.59 | GeneralAntilles | I found the capacitive screens on the Android phones really obnoxious. |
| 04:56.03 | cleary | can even touch type on my E71 |
| 04:56.06 | GeneralAntilles | The one on the iPhone is reasonable |
| 04:56.11 | GeneralAntilles | but the ones on the HTCs are pretty bad. |
| 04:57.10 | ShadowJK | E70 has awesome keyboard |
| 04:57.15 | ShadowJK | but the joystick stopped working on mine :( |
| 04:57.27 | Analias | the touch screen on the iphone is very nice - makes me wish capacitive touch screens were the norm |
| 04:57.32 | cleary | ShadowJK: I have a pile of them here - lovely form factor |
| 04:57.37 | GeneralAntilles | Analias, ew. |
| 04:57.38 | cleary | slow as shit though ;) |
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| 04:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | Analias, I prefer precise screens, thanks. |
| 04:57.58 | ShadowJK | cleary, opera mini and putty are fast enough on it though :) |
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| 04:58.23 | ShadowJK | And it has enough pixels that 6px fontsize in putty gives you 80+ columns in landscape mode |
| 04:58.50 | ShadowJK | I find E75's low resolution screen annoying :( |
| 04:58.53 | Analias | Antilles: I can be very precise on my iPhone, just isn't much of a reason to be due to the UI not requiring precise touchs |
| 04:59.10 | ShadowJK | I can deal with the keyboard even if it has no number row |
| 04:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | Analias, how would you know? |
| 04:59.24 | cleary | ShadowJK: I'm not a fan of the keyboard on the e75 |
| 04:59.32 | GeneralAntilles | Positioning the i-beam on the iPhone is almost impossible |
| 04:59.38 | cleary | ShadowJK: screen is ok - no real difference to the E71 |
| 04:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | Capacitive simply CAN'T be as precise as resistive. |
| 04:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | The technology just doesn't allow for it. |
| 05:00.01 | ShadowJK | The precision isn't needed for included software |
| 05:00.15 | GeneralAntilles | It is to position the text insertion point. ;) |
| 05:00.17 | cleary | ShadowJK: the e75 keyboard os too smooth and flat, no feedback for the touch typist |
| 05:00.23 | ShadowJK | but if you want to run regular desktop software without first spending a month remaking the UI, you probably want the ability to use a stylus :) |
| 05:00.45 | ShadowJK | cleary, yeah even the number keypad is flat |
| 05:01.24 | ShadowJK | it took me a week before I coule reliably press the home key without also invoking the calendar, email and calculator. And that wasn't even touchtyping yet |
| 05:01.28 | Analias | Antilles - what? needing precise touches - the only thing I've noticed needing that kind of pixel level touches is games and all the games I have played on my iPhone have been pretty reasonable. but I can see what you mean about needing precision if you are using a larger screen like on the N900 or even something with a 7" display |
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| 05:03.32 | ShadowJK | part of the attraction for me with maemo and the maemo devices so far is how painless it's to get normal software to run on it.. with a capacitive screen that's probably no longer the case :) |
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| 07:19.11 | JamieBennett | lbt: Quim is on the case I think. I didn't have time until now as we were in full on Karmic mode but I do have the files in a .mov format ready for slides adding. |
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| 07:28.07 | thux | just got kicked out from ubuntu channel, first time kicked from anywhere :/ |
| 07:28.43 | GAN900 | They're crazy in there. |
| 07:28.48 | johnx | thux, what were you kicked for? |
| 07:28.48 | KenYoung | thux, How does one get kicked out of the Ubuntu channel? |
| 07:29.03 | GAN900 | I can kick you from here, too, if it'd make you feel better, though. :P |
| 07:29.47 | KenYoung | Anyone going to the New York N900 meetup today? |
| 07:29.48 | ensi | thux: did you point out problems in Ubuntu? |
| 07:29.55 | ensi | they are very sensitive (zealots *cough*) |
| 07:30.05 | johnx | I was there for the ibex (or hardy? or gutsy?) release and it was pretty fun |
| 07:30.10 | thux | no they just close testing channel |
| 07:30.43 | thux | wonder why cause probably they gonna do testing in future too |
| 07:31.11 | thux | or maybe karmic is they last distribution |
| 07:34.00 | GAN900 | Why does rtcomm lose its ability to connect to haze accounts after a while. . . . |
| 07:34.52 | KenYoung | Can one write maemo applications using standard gtk+ calls for the GUI, or must one use some maemo-specific libraries? |
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| 07:36.26 | johnx | KenYoung, you can use plain gtk if you want, but best results are had with a couple tweaks |
| 07:36.50 | johnx | there's a little guide on porting gtk+ apps to maemo/hildon |
| 07:36.59 | johnx | I can dig up the link if you want |
| 07:37.21 | KenYoung | johnx, Yes, thanks - I'd like to read it. |
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| 07:47.21 | MrKeuner | Hi everybody, slightly offtopic but my HTC dream phone got broken, I need a new phone. Do I have to wait long for N900? |
| 07:47.53 | KenYoung | MrKeuner, I think it is supposed to become available around Nov. 14th. |
| 07:48.00 | MrKeuner | cool |
| 07:48.08 | MrKeuner | That i can wait, thanks |
| 07:48.09 | johnx | couple weeks? november seems to be the date people are talking about, but there are some places not having stock til december |
| 07:48.20 | johnx | if you're a linux fan, it's worth the wait for sure |
| 07:48.53 | MrKeuner | I am GNU fan, but I need a phone too. so I'll se what i can do. May be i'll get a very cheap phone for some time |
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| 07:49.35 | johnx | KenYoung, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide <- down at the "graphical UI tutorial" section is the stuff probably most interesting to you |
| 07:50.01 | KenYoung | johnx, Thanks very much! |
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| 07:54.58 | johnx | sure. :) do you have a project your want to port? |
| 07:55.35 | KenYoung | johnx, I wrote an application called "orrery" for the Openmoko platform which I want to port. |
| 07:55.51 | KenYoung | 'Cuz Openmoko is dead... |
| 07:56.16 | johnx | how was the battery life on your phone? |
| 07:56.43 | johnx | freerunner or neo1973. I keep thinking about picking one up second hand to play with... |
| 07:56.43 | KenYoung | johnx, You mean my Openmoko phone? |
| 07:56.52 | johnx | yeah |
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| 07:57.09 | KenYoung | johnx, Ive got one neo1973 and two Freerunners... |
| 07:57.53 | KenYoung | johnx, I get just over one day of use out of my Freerunner before having to recharge. Maybe 1.5 days. |
| 07:58.21 | johnx | oh, that's not nearly as bad as I was led to believe |
| 07:58.31 | johnx | similar for the n900 |
| 07:58.53 | johnx | I could certainly stretch it with less backlight, stay logged out of IM, check for mail less often |
| 07:59.09 | johnx | (use the fm transmitter less O_o; ) |
| 07:59.29 | KenYoung | The Freerunner has several hardware faults, most of which cna be fixed by adding capacitors. One fault is called the 1024 fault, which I have not fixed yet. Fixing that fault greatly extends the time the phone can be in the suspend state without bleeding the battery dry. |
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| 07:59.50 | johnx | BTW, that's a pretty cool application, especially since the n900 doesn't have a compass |
| 08:00.21 | KenYoung | johnx, The Freerunner software is still improving, significantly. THe battery life is much better now than it was, say, one year ago. |
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| 08:00.38 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 08:00.38 | KenYoung | johnx, Thanks! |
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| 08:01.25 | johnx | mornin' Stskeeps |
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| 08:01.45 | johnx | did you still have a freerunner Stskeeps ? |
| 08:01.45 | KenYoung | johnx, I would say that the Freerunner is now no more frustrating to use than a Treo. |
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| 08:02.10 | jaem | good evening |
| 08:03.38 | Stskeeps | johnx, yeah, but not in use |
| 08:03.40 | murrayc | Where should I report maemo autobuilder bugs? |
| 08:03.55 | murrayc | Ah, got it. Website. |
| 08:04.14 | jaem | hmm... does anyone have any experience with Matlab's RTW? |
| 08:04.19 | jaem | this IS on topic, believe it or not |
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| 08:10.31 | jaem | ...working on a project, and one of my team members is trying to use Matlab's "stand-alone C generation" capabilities |
| 08:11.31 | jaem | however, it depends on a whole whack of files from Matlab, and hardcodes the Makefiles for the platform it's generated on |
| 08:11.48 | jaem | their knowledgebase page on compiling on UNIX is quite scary |
| 08:12.40 | Sargun | Nokia N900!!! Now, Now, now. |
| 08:13.34 | timeless_mbp | Sargun: complaints about deliveries should be expressed to Nokia Care |
| 08:13.56 | Sargun | they aren't shipping for another month |
| 08:13.57 | johnx | timeless, what about complaints about Nokia care? |
| 08:14.03 | Sargun | there soft launch date was wednesday |
| 08:14.05 | timeless_mbp | i'll take those |
| 08:14.10 | timeless_mbp | i finally got a contact who's paying attention to me |
| 08:14.14 | timeless_mbp | (SERIOUSLY) |
| 08:14.28 | jaem | timeless_mbp, \o/ |
| 08:14.29 | timeless_mbp | nokia care messed up while dealing w/ us, and we have records. |
| 08:14.50 | Sargun | for what? |
| 08:14.57 | timeless_mbp | so yes, if you have problems w/ care, please record as much info as you can and then contact me |
| 08:15.00 | murrayc | jaem: And you want to run that code on maemo? |
| 08:15.10 | jaem | murrayc: heh... that WAS the intent |
| 08:15.13 | timeless_mbp | i'll arrange to have them delivered to someone who is now holding Care on a very short leash |
| 08:15.14 | jaem | it's looking less fun now |
| 08:15.23 | timeless_mbp | Sargun: ? |
| 08:15.39 | murrayc | jaem: If the code depends on matlab libraries (and headers) then you'd need those to be ported to maemo. And I guess they are proprietary, so good luck asking them. |
| 08:15.58 | jaem | murrayc: licensing may be an issue, however, it looks like it's source which gets compiled in |
| 08:16.08 | jaem | I'm not sure, because I don't have Matlab on my machine |
| 08:16.10 | tekojo | morning all! |
| 08:16.13 | jaem | morning |
| 08:16.18 | timeless_mbp | helllo |
| 08:16.18 | murrayc | jaem: So what's the problem? |
| 08:16.23 | jaem | murrayc: well... |
| 08:16.37 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 08:16.39 | timeless_mbp | kicks gmail |
| 08:16.52 | timeless_mbp | i can read 20 messages at a time from the start of my queue, or 10 at a time from the end |
| 08:17.08 | jaem | the whole issue is that one of our two team members who is working on the algorithm for our project is not comfortable enough in C to do it from scratch easily |
| 08:17.24 | jaem | and then we run the risk of having to debug the math while trying to get this done on a short deadline |
| 08:17.35 | murrayc | jaem: I mean, what's the problem with building it on maemo? |
| 08:17.58 | jaem | so the original idea was to code the algorithm in Matlab, and wrap the generated C in our own code |
| 08:18.29 | jaem | right now, the problem is that the files I need to compile it are on a machine located in a locked lab across campus, which I don't have access to :P |
| 08:18.37 | murrayc | Can't help you with that. |
| 08:18.47 | jaem | in general, the problem is that the Matlab people don't know Maemo, and I don't know Matlab |
| 08:18.55 | jaem | and we're trying to figure out if this is viable in short order |
| 08:19.07 | murrayc | jaem: They give you the files. You try to add them to your C project. |
| 08:19.15 | jaem | murrayc: yes |
| 08:19.24 | jaem | I'll give it a shot |
| 08:19.32 | jaem | one thing, though... |
| 08:19.54 | jaem | the code generation dialog has options to specify the target architecture, from quite an extensive list |
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| 08:20.35 | murrayc | jaem: So you might need two sets of code, for X86 and ARM. The code might contain assembler, or even just some platform-specific optimization in the C code. |
| 08:20.47 | jaem | since I haven't had a chance to look over all the code, I'm not entirely sure why... I mean, I know that things like int size will be different across architectures, but it gets quite specific |
| 08:20.49 | jaem | ah |
| 08:20.51 | jaem | just going to ask that |
| 08:21.34 | murrayc | However, I suspect that it really does depend on some matlab library, and so that option is all about linking to the correct one for the platform. |
| 08:21.55 | murrayc | But you don't know and you can't possibly make a decision until you've seen the genereatd code. |
| 08:22.44 | jaem | murrayc: essentially, yes |
| 08:23.10 | jaem | sorry to draw this out... I was hoping someone might have direct experience, and save me some bother :P |
| 08:23.20 | jaem | however, this was helpful too |
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| 08:30.59 | jaem | another question (different topic) |
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| 08:33.14 | jaem | just to clarify, if I use Maemo's Bluetooth Manager to pair with a device (SPP, in this case), that only sets up the actual Bluetooth link, and I still have to connect to whichever services I want in my own program, right? |
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| 08:38.54 | cosmo_ | jaem: i think that's correct unless your own program can handle the pairing |
| 08:39.30 | jaem | cosmo_: is it possible for a program to initiate discovery/pairing through the Maemo BT Manager GUI? Easily, I mean |
| 08:39.43 | jaem | I would presume that's what BlueMaemo does, but I haven't looked into |
| 08:40.26 | jaem | I'm new to BT programming - I looked into it a while back, but was turned off by Bluez's horrible lack of good docs (at the time), and the fact that my BT peripheral was probably faulty |
| 08:40.43 | qwerty12_N900 | jaem: On the N800 and N810 at least, trying to connect to an unpaired device brought up the pairing dialog box automatically |
| 08:41.01 | qwerty12_N900 | (PITA for Carwhisperer, but there you go...) |
| 08:41.20 | lbt | pairing is usually handled internally by the libs which callout to a gui helper AFAIK |
| 08:41.43 | jaem | lbt, qwerty12_N900, thanks - that's what I was hoping for |
| 08:41.52 | lbt | that's desktop... |
| 08:42.04 | lbt | probably the same approach here though |
| 08:42.26 | jaem | okay |
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| 08:45.01 | jaem | gah |
| 08:45.08 | jaem | keeps forgetting that Ubuntu doesn't use pacman |
| 08:45.18 | jaem | silly Ubuntu |
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| 08:51.42 | ensi | is /apps/maemo/app-name/ the place where to stick application specific settings? |
| 08:53.03 | qwerty12_N900 | GConf? /apps/app-name/ is also used by some apps |
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| 08:58.23 | timeless_mbp | pokes qwerty12_N900 |
| 08:58.26 | timeless_mbp | did you build that cpa? |
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| 08:58.47 | qwerty12_N900 | No. I'll do it now |
| 08:58.51 | timeless_mbp | thanks |
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| 09:04.54 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 09:12.17 | timeless_mbp | woohoo, my package is optified |
| 09:15.24 | timeless_mbp | hrm, how do i find out what time zone i'm in? :) |
| 09:16.06 | timeless_mbp | hrm, when did dst happen? :) |
| 09:16.15 | johnx | where? |
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| 09:19.10 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless_mbp: http://qwerty12.qole.org/qwerty-cpa.c |
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| 09:25.42 | timeless_mbp | HEL |
| 09:26.19 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: ok, and where's my .so? :) |
| 09:26.23 | timeless_mbp | (for enus!) |
| 09:26.38 | qwerty12_N900 | Gah! |
| 09:27.39 | inz | timeless, DST happened last week sun at 04:00 |
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| 09:28.02 | timeless_mbp | pretend i can't use calendars, can you give me a month+day ? :) |
| 09:28.12 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: http://qwerty12.qole.org/locale-selector-cpa.so (This being the *spits* enus version) |
| 09:28.32 | inz | timeless, Oct 25 |
| 09:28.56 | timeless_mbp | i'll take an engb version too :) |
| 09:28.56 | inz | timeless, it's always the last sunday of october |
| 09:30.33 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: http://qwerty12.qole.org/locale-selector-cpa-engb.so |
| 09:30.35 | inz | i.e. if (weekday == W_SUN && day >= 25 && day <= 31 && month == 10) { curse("Damned you, DST!"); } |
| 09:30.43 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:30.44 | qwerty12_N900 | Now leave me alone! :) |
| 09:31.29 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: thanks :) |
| 09:31.38 | inz | timeless, and date +%z or date +%Z tells you the tz |
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| 09:36.26 | cosmo_ | are libqt4 dependencies broken in fremantle? for example -network depends on -webkit which doesn't depend on -phonon, although -phonon libs are required |
| 09:36.49 | cosmo_ | = linker errors when compiling stuff agains -network |
| 09:37.05 | X-Fade | cosmo_: Using which version? |
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| 09:37.19 | X-Fade | wtf, who gave me ops again ;) |
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| 09:37.26 | cosmo_ | from extras repo i think |
| 09:37.48 | X-Fade | cosmo_: If everything went well, there should not be any qt4 in extras anymore. |
| 09:37.56 | X-Fade | cosmo_: I removed that yesterday. |
| 09:38.25 | cosmo_ | are they in extras-devel now? |
| 09:38.31 | X-Fade | cosmo_: no |
| 09:38.41 | cosmo_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt4Hildon#Fremantle |
| 09:38.42 | X-Fade | cosmo_: SDK |
| 09:39.01 | cosmo_ | those are the repos i added, according to instructions |
| 09:39.02 | X-Fade | cosmo_: and nokia-applications for device. |
| 09:40.21 | cosmo_ | so.. the wiki is wrong and no additional repos are needed anymore? |
| 09:40.46 | X-Fade | cosmo_: qt4 is not officially supported in Maemo 5. |
| 09:41.01 | X-Fade | cosmo_: I guess that the wiki needs to be updated. |
| 09:41.04 | X-Fade | gnuton: ping? |
| 09:41.51 | cosmo_ | well, it's half-officially supported anyway and seems to work pretty well apart from the broken dependencies |
| 09:42.20 | X-Fade | cosmo_: Because it is officially supported now, I removed the older versions from extras*. |
| 09:42.31 | X-Fade | cosmo_: But there should not be anything lingering there anymore. |
| 09:42.37 | cosmo_ | ok |
| 09:43.02 | X-Fade | cosmo_: So if you run into libs in extras, please let me know ;) |
| 09:43.09 | cosmo_ | it's 4.5.3~git20090723 i've got |
| 09:43.21 | X-Fade | That is the official version |
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| 09:43.38 | cosmo_ | probably it's from the official repo, i was just misled by the wiki |
| 09:43.45 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: how long should it take to thumb up a package in -testing? |
| 09:44.09 | X-Fade | cosmo_: Version is higher than what was in extras, so it got pulled in automatically probably. |
| 09:44.12 | cosmo_ | but anyway.. should i add phonon as a dependency for my app or will the package dependencies be changed? |
| 09:44.31 | cosmo_ | i'm just using -network |
| 09:44.36 | X-Fade | cosmo_: That I can't answer ;) |
| 09:44.42 | X-Fade | cosmo_: -> gnuton |
| 09:45.03 | X-Fade | I blame him for everything :D |
| 09:45.19 | cosmo_ | gnuton: ? |
| 09:45.30 | X-Fade | cosmo_: he maintains the libs. |
| 09:45.46 | cosmo_ | and also it seems little weird that -network depends on -webkit.. i'd think it would be the other way round |
| 09:46.03 | X-Fade | cosmo_: maybe through -help? |
| 09:46.09 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: so i don't need to implement save_state? |
| 09:47.17 | qwerty12_N900 | I've survived w/out it, but I guess it can't do any harm to have save_state doing nothing |
| 09:47.36 | timeless_mbp | if you survived, i'm quite happy leaving it out |
| 09:48.48 | jaem | hrm |
| 09:49.02 | jaem | does anyone know where scratchbox.org is hosted? |
| 09:49.03 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: my package rate still didn't go :( |
| 09:49.08 | timeless_mbp | jaem: on a 770 :) |
| 09:49.15 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: Problem solved :p |
| 09:49.18 | jaem | timeless_mbp, ah, that would explain it ;) |
| 09:49.32 | jaem | I'm near Vancouver, and downloading the SDK is just painful |
| 09:49.46 | timeless_mbp | i don't think it matters where you are |
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| 09:49.53 | jaem | timeless_mbp, well, not much |
| 09:50.16 | jaem | currently I'm proxying apt through a server in the US, which has a 35Mbps symmetrical connection |
| 09:50.23 | jaem | it makes it about twice as fast |
| 09:50.39 | jaem | and still not much above 450kB/s, peak |
| 09:50.40 | jaem | :( |
| 09:50.46 | jaem | sigh |
| 09:50.54 | X-Fade | jaem: near maemo.org it seems. |
| 09:51.09 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Hmm slowness. |
| 09:51.23 | jaem | X-Fade, timeless_mbp: it could also be my ISP |
| 09:51.32 | jaem | they're full of Fail |
| 09:51.52 | X-Fade | jaem: I don't think scratchbox content is served through akamai. |
| 09:52.09 | jaem | X-Fade: heh... that would be nice, though :P |
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| 09:52.36 | cosmo_ | btw what's the correct way to test for maemo environment in qt's project file? |
| 09:52.41 | cosmo_ | there's Q_WS_HILDON |
| 09:52.44 | cosmo_ | for code |
| 09:52.49 | qwerty12_N900 | Oh, good, one can get the IMEI manually: |
| 09:52.50 | qwerty12_N900 | dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SIM /com/nokia/phone/SIM/security Phone.Sim.Security.get_imei |
| 09:54.30 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N900: Did some dbus tracing? :) |
| 09:54.33 | Stskeeps | cool |
| 09:54.48 | cosmo_ | X-Fade: this also has outdated information http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo |
| 09:54.56 | qwerty12_N900 | X-Fade: Looked at the About product applet... |
| 09:55.07 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N900: Makes sese. |
| 09:55.27 | X-Fade | cosmo_: gnuton works for forum nokia, so I blame him again ;) |
| 09:55.35 | qwerty12_N900 | Making a jack-of-all-trades desktop applet, so... |
| 09:56.21 | X-Fade | cosmo_: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libqt4-network/4.5.3~git20090723-0maemo4+0m5 |
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| 09:56.32 | X-Fade | cosmo_: No sign of -webkit dependency there? |
| 09:57.59 | cosmo_ | hmm, weird.. i think i had to install it yesterday for my app. maybe it came through some other dependency |
| 09:58.24 | cosmo_ | but the missing phonon dependency causes more trouble |
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| 10:08.38 | jaem | woo! it works! |
| 10:08.55 | jaem | congratulates himself for getting something accomplished after about 4 hours |
| 10:08.59 | jaem | lol |
| 10:09.10 | lbt | cosmo_: #qt-maemo |
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| 10:11.44 | wazd | heya all |
| 10:12.19 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
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| 10:13.07 | jaem | hiya, wazd |
| 10:15.34 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 10:19.10 | wazd | let it snow, gentlemen :) |
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| 10:21.50 | achipa | ugh |
| 10:22.06 | achipa | I just hope the ISP upgrade includes the builders as well... |
| 10:22.26 | RST38h | also welcomes today's traffic apocalypse |
| 10:22.34 | achipa | I'm nearing 3h build times :) |
| 10:23.03 | RST38h | you mean maemo.org? |
| 10:23.42 | pupnik | what apocalypse? |
| 10:23.46 | pupnik | good day |
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| 10:24.48 | RST38h | pupnik: well, it started snowing today |
| 10:25.04 | jaem | RST38h: ? |
| 10:25.46 | achipa | RST38h: no snow but 100km/h winds here this morning :) |
| 10:25.59 | RST38h | pupnik: if it gets to a full scale snowstorm by this evening, things are gonna get funny |
| 10:26.41 | pupnik | oh i thought t.m.o traffic |
| 10:26.48 | pupnik | don't you canadians know how to drive on snow? |
| 10:27.01 | jaem | pupnik: no |
| 10:27.13 | jaem | we get just enough to be a problem, and not enough for people to learn how to deal with it |
| 10:27.16 | jaem | ...at least, in BC |
| 10:27.18 | pupnik | first snow of the year is always a bit of a biter though - people haven't switched modes |
| 10:27.21 | jaem | I can't speak for elsewhere |
| 10:27.21 | pupnik | ah |
| 10:27.33 | pupnik | right totally different climate |
| 10:27.47 | pupnik | is from the icy tundra of MN |
| 10:28.02 | jaem | of course, my university is up on a hill/small mountain, and we usually get one or two large dumps of it, right after the 8 month rainy season ends :P |
| 10:28.05 | pupnik | what doesn't get frozen off, callouses |
| 10:28.08 | jaem | and then the buses shut down |
| 10:28.21 | jaem | last year, they had to put out blankets in the gym for people that got stuck |
| 10:28.22 | pupnik | nice walkin eh |
| 10:28.23 | jaem | :O |
| 10:28.27 | RST38h | ...and breaks off eventually? =) |
| 10:28.28 | pupnik | wow |
| 10:28.43 | lbt | likes the UK - 3-6" snow and we stay at home |
| 10:28.56 | jaem | pupnik: there's been some talk about building a gondola, but that's a bit crazy |
| 10:29.03 | jaem | I'd go for a zip-line |
| 10:29.07 | jaem | or a slide :D |
| 10:29.44 | SpeedEvil | I have plans for a hoverboard. |
| 10:29.54 | SpeedEvil | Only 60Kg, and $30000. |
| 10:30.06 | pupnik | maybe the bus could take a route down a less steep incline |
| 10:30.10 | RST38h | jaem: Annex California and settle there |
| 10:30.27 | jaem | RST38h: wouldn't that involve annexing Washington and Oregon first? |
| 10:30.32 | jaem | that sounds like too much work |
| 10:30.41 | RST38h | jaem: Not if you do it by sea |
| 10:31.16 | jaem | RST38h: okay, I'll send out the fleet ;) |
| 10:32.03 | jaem | gah - *take*, you stupid config, *take*! |
| 10:32.10 | jaem | grumbles at his BlueSMIRF |
| 10:33.31 | X-Fade | achipa: yes, those will get a lot more power. |
| 10:33.48 | achipa | woo ! (Y) |
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| 10:36.37 | pupnik | i think maemo summit was half my calorie intake for october |
| 10:37.29 | jaem | reads the SDK EULA... |
| 10:37.37 | jaem | Nokia can send me software updates by e-mail? |
| 10:37.37 | jaem | woo |
| 10:37.45 | jaem | boggles |
| 10:38.22 | qwerty12_N900 | You read EULAs? |
| 10:38.41 | jaem | qwerty12_N900: yeah, the odd time I have to agree to one |
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| 10:38.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Hehe |
| 10:39.15 | jaem | Linux is good that way |
| 10:39.23 | jaem | it doesn't bug me if it's something normal, like GPL |
| 10:39.37 | jaem | I do like that clause, though |
| 10:39.38 | jaem | :P |
| 10:40.11 | qwerty12_N900 | I could install something with the EULA saying that my soul is now the property of the company who made that software I'm installing and I'd be none the wiser |
| 10:40.30 | jaem | I think MS has one like that |
| 10:40.36 | jaem | or is that Apple? |
| 10:40.44 | SpeedEvil | google |
| 10:41.16 | SpeedEvil | There is small text in off-white at the bottom of the main search page that means they own 99% of people onlines souls. |
| 10:41.44 | jaem | no, they don't own your soul |
| 10:41.54 | jaem | they just datamine it and then serve up ads |
| 10:42.12 | jaem | wonders how exactly one would write a soul-datamining algorithm |
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| 10:45.42 | jaem | oh wow... this is useful: (datasheet command set spec) "All set commands do not take effect until"... I guess they left out something. Too bad that something is the entire point of the sentence |
| 10:46.33 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:46.39 | jaem | morning |
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| 10:51.31 | auenf | microb needs mng and jng support? |
| 10:51.50 | timeless_mbp | why does it need them? |
| 10:53.26 | SpeedEvil | holds up a kitten. |
| 10:53.41 | SpeedEvil | exclaims 'Or the kitty dies!' |
| 10:54.01 | auenf | hmm, same timeless that i cant beat in idletail? |
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| 10:58.00 | hrw | hi |
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| 11:00.10 | SpeedEvil | hi |
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| 11:14.36 | timeless_mbp | auenf: yep |
| 11:15.00 | auenf | ok, so when i beat you, microb needs mng and jng :P |
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| 11:23.22 | jaem | VDVsx: hi |
| 11:23.45 | VDVsx | jaem, hey |
| 11:24.17 | jaem | are we going to get to see the new BlueMaemo that wazd was posting about ages ago any time soon? |
| 11:25.55 | VDVsx | jaem, no, we are slow as hell, will be released at the same time as duke nuken forever :P |
| 11:26.00 | wazd | jaem: no, it's fake :D |
| 11:26.17 | jaem | VDVsx, wazd: heh |
| 11:26.19 | jaem | fair enough |
| 11:26.40 | jaem | it does look pretty shiny, though |
| 11:28.20 | zaheerm | VDVsx, how was your stay in SFO and flight back? |
| 11:29.27 | VDVsx | zaheerm, was fine, I got Internet for $7, so the time passed fast ;) |
| 11:29.44 | petur | waves at VDVsx |
| 11:29.48 | VDVsx | flight was loooong |
| 11:29.48 | zaheerm | VDVsx, aah what wifi network was that? |
| 11:29.58 | VDVsx | zaheerm, t-mobile |
| 11:30.12 | zaheerm | you got on in the end :) |
| 11:30.27 | VDVsx | zaheerm, in Frankfurt 30 min for 8 â¬, ouch |
| 11:30.34 | zaheerm | wow |
| 11:30.43 | VDVsx | zaheerm, yes, it only works in some places, it seems |
| 11:31.19 | zaheerm | i look forward to tomorrow |
| 11:31.26 | zaheerm | when i can sleep a little :) |
| 11:31.43 | VDVsx | zaheerm, eheheh |
| 11:32.33 | jaem | ...speaking of... |
| 11:32.34 | jaem | zzzzzz |
| 11:32.36 | jaem | night all |
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| 11:32.47 | lcuk | hey VDVsx |
| 11:33.03 | lcuk | i saw your photostream from the google event and stuff, you have a good time? |
| 11:33.42 | VDVsx | lcuk, yup was fun ;) |
| 11:34.06 | lcuk | yeah - you know the event/talk grid thing |
| 11:34.21 | andre__ | Developers stating "This bug could have been reported a bit earlier" should be slapped for a few days |
| 11:34.21 | lcuk | where you fill out what you want and stick it on the schedule |
| 11:34.30 | zaheerm | yah it was an unconference |
| 11:34.46 | lcuk | i went to london barcamp last week |
| 11:34.48 | lcuk | and saw similar |
| 11:35.13 | lcuk | its so similar in principle to what liqbase can do, im tempted to make something similar for maemo at some point |
| 11:35.20 | zaheerm | lcuk, yah i missed that to go to GSoC summit, how was the barcamp? |
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| 11:35.44 | VDVsx | zaheerm, you've to send me the last photo that you took in the parking lot (gstreamer + maemo :P) |
| 11:35.51 | lcuk | i didnt attend gsoc - we had some plans which couldnt be shifted |
| 11:36.00 | lcuk | barcamp was amazing! |
| 11:36.02 | zaheerm | VDVsx, wait let me flickr it :) |
| 11:36.20 | lcuk | theres one in manchester next week too i think |
| 11:36.26 | zaheerm | VDVsx, have you put the one on your camera up? |
| 11:38.07 | VDVsx | zaheerm, nop, we didn't used my camera |
| 11:39.58 | zaheerm | VDVsx, http://www.flickr.com/photos/aandza/ |
| 11:40.06 | lcuk | VDVsx, wouldnt it be good if all these photos could have been collaboratively shared before you left the event |
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| 11:40.25 | lcuk | to have everyones voice collected as it happened ;) |
| 11:40.34 | zaheerm | lcuk, :) |
| 11:40.39 | VDVsx | lcuk, hehe |
| 11:40.47 | VDVsx | lcuk, and auto-tagging ;) |
| 11:40.57 | lcuk | zaheerm, it ws something we discussed in the cocreation session before the summit |
| 11:41.00 | lcuk | yeah VDVsx |
| 11:41.11 | lcuk | the central source could supply those tags :) |
| 11:41.20 | lcuk | then as everyone does it they get applied |
| 11:41.41 | lcuk | hey - also, if theres room in a tweet the twitter client could also auto add #hash tags |
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| 11:50.31 | VDVsx | zaheerm, I'm setting my camera in both photos, lol |
| 11:51.00 | VDVsx | maybe stefan's photos are better ;) |
| 11:51.03 | zaheerm | VDVsx, surprising because you didn't even use it then, lol |
| 11:51.10 | zaheerm | yah i am waiting for stefan's |
| 11:51.13 | VDVsx | zaheerm, true lol |
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| 12:06.50 | VDVsx | humm, should maemo-optify only leave files <2k under /usr ? |
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| 12:12.06 | lcuk | waves @ qwerty12_N900 mornin |
| 12:12.28 | qwerty12_N900 | Hiya, lcuk, how are you? |
| 12:12.31 | ifreq | lcuk: continue on waving.. keep him distracted so i can get the n900 |
| 12:12.32 | ifreq | :-P |
| 12:12.57 | qwerty12_N900 | turns, slowly, and looks behind him |
| 12:13.30 | lcuk | ifreq, thats ok, im sure its actually welded to him |
| 12:14.15 | ifreq | :P yeh prob |
| 12:14.34 | lcuk_n900 | joins da club :P |
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| 12:15.08 | ifreq | pff!! :P |
| 12:15.35 | Zmanu | hello |
| 12:16.05 | Zmanu | i want to buy a n900, but i want to buy it as developper |
| 12:16.10 | Zmanu | how may i do ? |
| 12:16.41 | GeneralAntilles | Fill in "Developer" in the company field on the Nokia web store? |
| 12:16.48 | qwerty12_N900 | Although, MAFW makes me want to throw it out of the window |
| 12:16.54 | lcuk | nahhh |
| 12:16.58 | lcuk | speak to samppa |
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| 12:17.03 | lcuk | he has interfaced with mafw |
| 12:17.07 | qwerty12_N900 | No wonder the lyrics widget sucks |
| 12:17.08 | tbf | Zmanu: with discount? get a time machine, and get enough karma on maemo.org before nokia did the dev. discount stats |
| 12:17.17 | _berto_ | if we port this to the n900 it will be the killer app http://porntoolkit.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:17.31 | Zmanu | tbf: so too late |
| 12:17.35 | qwerty12_N900 | Half the time, it wont even return the name of the current track |
| 12:17.43 | tbf | Zmanu: at least for the first round i guess. |
| 12:18.01 | Zmanu | tbf: how can i be on the second round |
| 12:18.02 | tbf | Zmanu: but i am relatively uneducated regarding the developer discount program |
| 12:18.15 | qwerty12_N900 | _berto_: http://gnaughty.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:18.18 | lcuk | _berto_, only if we get portrait mode and one handed usage working perfectly :D |
| 12:18.29 | tbf | Zmanu: well, what i am doing now is working on my maemo.org karma |
| 12:18.42 | GeneralAntilles | Zmanu, you'll have to talk to Forum nokia. |
| 12:18.59 | _berto_ | lcuk: :D :D :D |
| 12:19.02 | tbf | Zmanu: release packages, bug reports, forum posts, blog posts... hmm. or like GeneralAntilles said |
| 12:19.33 | Zmanu | ok, thanks, i gonna do that |
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| 12:20.34 | tbf | qwerty12_N900: is that a joke? :-D |
| 12:22.44 | qwerty12_N900 | tbf: No. :( Simple program popping up a banner showing the name of the current track and it only pops up on certain tracks. These tracks are also the ones the TuneWiki widget (also using MAFW) has problems with |
| 12:23.28 | tbf | qwerty12_N900: i was refering to those pr0n downloaders |
| 12:23.38 | cosmo_ | is .service file needed anymore in fremantle? it's not mentioned anymore in docs |
| 12:23.40 | qwerty12_N900 | Oh |
| 12:23.43 | qwerty12_N900 | Err |
| 12:23.51 | qwerty12_N900 | No, it's real :p |
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| 12:31.37 | Jaffa | cosmo_: Service file is still needed for DBus registration and DBus starting |
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| 12:32.41 | cosmo_ | Jaffa: but not required like in older maemos? |
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| 12:33.05 | Jaffa | cosmo_: It was never required if you didn't use DBus (e.g. via OSSO Context) |
| 12:33.11 | Jaffa | cosmo_: AFAIK, the rules haven't changed |
| 12:33.16 | lcukx41 | hey jaffa |
| 12:34.10 | GAN900 | That's nice, More... is overlaid on the main part of the applications menu. |
| 12:34.13 | cosmo_ | ok, i thought it was always required |
| 12:34.55 | X-Fade | GAN900: I have a screenshot of when that happened to me ;) |
| 12:35.23 | X-Fade | GAN900: Seems fixed in later firmware. |
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| 12:43.36 | pupnik | The internet regulator has approved plans to allow non-Latin-script web addresses hello phishing... |
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| 12:47.29 | _berto_ | pupnik: I can imagine baиkofamerica.com, or worse, barÑlays.com |
| 12:47.31 | _berto_ | :d |
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| 12:48.21 | pupnik | i guess my client could reject non-latin dns lookups |
| 12:48.31 | lcukx41 | for normal web users, perhaps back coloring the unicode letters could help |
| 12:48.45 | VDVsx | pupnik, what about ~ and ç ? :P |
| 12:48.46 | lcukx41 | it might still say barclays |
| 12:48.56 | lcukx41 | but the unicode letter might be inverted |
| 12:48.58 | lcukx41 | or somethin |
| 12:49.02 | Jaffa | Mmm, homoglyphs for the win. |
| 12:49.18 | Jaffa | Gah, I'm lost in a twisty-turny maze of git madness |
| 12:49.51 | pupnik | nice with the barclays |
| 12:50.11 | derf | pupnik: Wһаtеâ
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| 12:50.31 | VDVsx | wazd, can you leave your country in Dec: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=361538 :P |
| 12:50.41 | pupnik | b a r 321 201 l a y s |
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| 12:51.22 | pupnik | if that turns trendy, bye urxvt |
| 12:51.44 | qwerty12_N900 | Tablets are safe: All I can see mostly are squares |
| 12:51.59 | wazd | VDVsx: yeah, I hope |
| 12:52.05 | RST38h | Nokia has signed on with AT&T to launch some hot new smartphone in the not too distant future |
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| 12:52.29 | derf | I prefer my phones at a comfortable temperature. |
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| 12:53.31 | Stskeeps | XPphone ftw |
| 12:53.37 | SpeedEvil | I want a hot phone. |
| 12:53.41 | SpeedEvil | It's cold outside. |
| 12:54.02 | VDVsx | Vistaphone ftw |
| 12:55.26 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: should this .so work on mer? |
| 12:55.30 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying it, but... |
| 12:56.03 | Stskeeps | .so on what arch/os? :P |
| 12:56.12 | timeless_mbp | oh, um |
| 12:56.16 | timeless_mbp | probably the wrong one! |
| 12:56.33 | timeless_mbp | you mean .so aren't portable? :) |
| 12:56.43 | Stskeeps | linux isnt mac |
| 12:57.05 | timeless_mbp | well, i'm trying to run a linux-arm .so on linux-x86 |
| 12:57.05 | Stskeeps | what i am curious about is if mer on n900 can run fremantle apps |
| 12:57.09 | timeless_mbp | they're both linux, right? :) |
| 12:57.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 12:57.44 | timeless_mbp | so um... |
| 12:57.52 | timeless_mbp | how do i copy a different .so based on my platform? |
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| 12:57.56 | ensi | anyone happen to know whats the deal with Qt progress bar on fremantle. |
| 12:58.00 | Stskeeps | compile it? |
| 12:58.10 | ensi | it doesnt actually render the progress bar (just the format text) |
| 12:58.16 | timeless_mbp | well, i didn't manage to get the build env working |
| 12:58.22 | timeless_mbp | and i don't want to cross compile anyway |
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| 12:58.27 | ensi | (or then its all rendered with background color so it doesnt's show up) |
| 12:58.36 | timeless_mbp | i just mean, suppose i have a binary foo-x86.so and foo-arm.so |
| 12:58.45 | qwerty12_N900 | timeless: I did build it for ARM, considering that your package is for the N900, y'know... |
| 12:58.51 | timeless_mbp | and i want my deb to when built select the right one |
| 12:59.02 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N900: yeah, well... i obviously forgot about that part :) |
| 13:00.18 | fiferboy | ensi: What version of the Qt libs are you using? |
| 13:00.29 | fiferboy | ensi: And are you testing on a device or within scratchbox? |
| 13:00.31 | lcukx41 | ccooke_, you awake? |
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| 13:00.55 | ensi | fiferboy: on device |
| 13:01.29 | fiferboy | ensi: The current Qt libs on the device are not quite final in regards to fremantle theming |
| 13:01.40 | fiferboy | There is a new version being worked on that is much, much better |
| 13:01.41 | ensi | qt 4.5.3 |
| 13:01.53 | ensi | basically the progress bar is all black |
| 13:01.58 | ensi | which is also the background color |
| 13:02.26 | ensi | fiferboy: will be this on release? |
| 13:02.52 | zaheerm | can you use the cool widgets that other fremantle apps use, in qt for fremantle? |
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| 13:03.15 | fiferboy | ensi: The community port should be coming out in a few days, maybe a week |
| 13:03.30 | fiferboy | ensi: An officially supported version of 4.6 is coming Q1 2010 |
| 13:03.34 | ensi | fiferboy: do you know this problem that im having? Is there a work around |
| 13:03.53 | fiferboy | ensi: I am just checking if the newest version still has the issue |
| 13:04.41 | ensi | im trying with text disabled |
| 13:04.47 | fiferboy | ensi: Yes, there is still a problem. The progress bar displays the same colour as the background |
| 13:04.49 | ensi | maybe the text rendeering is messing up |
| 13:05.32 | ensi | nope |
| 13:05.37 | ensi | so no work around? :/ |
| 13:05.46 | fiferboy | No, it looks like a theming bug |
| 13:05.56 | fiferboy | Well, you could work around it with stylesheets |
| 13:06.25 | ensi | i presume you mean the Qt CSS style sheets |
| 13:06.39 | fiferboy | Yes |
| 13:07.12 | ensi | all rite, but theres a fix coming out for this? |
| 13:07.22 | fiferboy | Or you could try setting style properties |
| 13:07.34 | fiferboy | Or you could override the paint method |
| 13:07.50 | ensi | whatever is easiest :) |
| 13:07.55 | fiferboy | I will bring it up to the guy doing the community port theming work |
| 13:08.17 | fiferboy | paint method would be the most work. Stylesheets are probably easiest |
| 13:08.28 | ensi | yeah thats what im figuring |
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| 13:09.18 | ensi | ok thanks! |
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| 13:14.52 | VDVsx | zaheerm, btw, we've to introduce Stefan to lardman|gone, he's the one working in the barcode stuff, he had some issues with gstreamer, dunno if he already solve them |
| 13:15.58 | gnuton | X-Fade: pong |
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| 13:16.50 | loufoque | when is the N900 supposed to be released? |
| 13:16.56 | loufoque | I thought it was today |
| 13:17.26 | RST38h | loufoque: The day before the Prophet comes |
| 13:17.28 | RST38h | So that when he comes, everyone will be busy playing with their N900s |
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| 13:17.49 | VDVsx | same day as duke nuken forever :P |
| 13:17.54 | loufoque | that was a serious question. |
| 13:18.04 | VDVsx | and pandora |
| 13:18.12 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: There have been various dateds in november given. |
| 13:18.28 | VDVsx | loufoque, last I heard -> Nov 14 |
| 13:18.30 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: no specific date has been announced consistently by nokia. |
| 13:18.46 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: aren't you an openmoko guy? |
| 13:18.51 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: meh |
| 13:19.13 | qwerty12_N900 | He's joining the Dark Side |
| 13:19.29 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: OpenMoko had the potential to be great. They could have released a functional, but a bit clunky phone running X in christmas 2007. |
| 13:20.03 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: If they'd done that - rather than pushing on with software changes and hardware changes and not fixing major kernel bugs - then things could have turned out very differently. |
| 13:20.41 | SpeedEvil | (phone, basic PIM, SMS, not many other apps, but ssh/linux/...) |
| 13:20.54 | loufoque | I know that |
| 13:21.01 | loufoque | why do you think I don't have a freerunner? |
| 13:21.08 | SpeedEvil | They wanted it shiny, and really needed perhaps another order of magnitude of funding. |
| 13:21.14 | VDVsx | has one too ;) |
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| 13:21.41 | SpeedEvil | (to do it the way they were doing it, I contend it could have been done with their existing funding and better decisions) |
| 13:22.15 | tepheikk | Hi all! Does N810 support simple opengl with python? I tried to install pyside-qt4-opengl but there are broken dependencies |
| 13:22.39 | lcukx41 | the device does not support opengl |
| 13:22.50 | lcukx41 | it supports opengles |
| 13:23.20 | VDVsx | lcukx41, the n810 ? |
| 13:23.28 | lcukx41 | lol sorry |
| 13:23.29 | lcukx41 | misread |
| 13:23.31 | tepheikk | lcukx41: Ok. But those packages that I see in repository have some broken dependencies. |
| 13:23.39 | lcukx41 | dont think about the 810 supporting any ogl lol |
| 13:23.54 | VDVsx | lcukx41, well, THE DRIVERS :P |
| 13:24.13 | lcukx41 | phantom drivers are not the same |
| 13:24.39 | lcukx41 | still wants his flying car |
| 13:24.51 | VDVsx | tepheikk, right now you can't use ogl in the n810 |
| 13:24.51 | SpeedEvil | lcukx41: I have a plan for a hoverboard. |
| 13:24.53 | tepheikk | Ok, so then I'll just wait that I get to buy my N900 :) |
| 13:25.05 | SpeedEvil | lcukx41: only $30000. |
| 13:25.19 | lcukx41 | i actually saw a great flying car recently |
| 13:25.24 | lcukx41 | dune buggy with a parasail :D |
| 13:25.24 | VDVsx | tepheikk, the chip is there, but the drivers are missing :P |
| 13:25.31 | lcukx41 | innovative and cool idea |
| 13:25.44 | lcukx41 | SpeedEvil, sounds reasonable |
| 13:26.14 | VDVsx | lcukx41, what about your flying phone booth ? |
| 13:27.01 | lcukx41 | dude! *air guitar* |
| 13:27.46 | SpeedEvil | lcukx41: Well - actually - it's a highly illegal hoverboard/helicopter really :) 60cm*60cm, and about 60Kg, and 60KW of motors :) |
| 13:27.57 | loufoque | anyone in the UK has a recommendation of what the best mobile plan for the N900 would be? |
| 13:28.08 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: well... |
| 13:28.19 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: I'm planning on a zero pounds a month one. (after rebate) |
| 13:28.34 | loufoque | the sim zero thing from 3? |
| 13:28.45 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:28.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.onecompare.com/buy-a-mobile-phone/best-mobile-phone-deals.asp?skn=moneysavingexpert&SearchID=1220181&manufacturer=&model= |
| 13:29.17 | SpeedEvil | Go to how I use my phone, enter some minutes. Pick a nokia 1280 or similar low-end phone. |
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| 13:30.07 | SpeedEvil | They then offer cashback if you stick to the terms and conditions - you will need to post several things to them over the course of the year, and ... |
| 13:30.24 | SpeedEvil | It's awkward, but you can end up with a 12 month contract, and a crap phone free. |
| 13:30.30 | SpeedEvil | with 1G/mo |
| 13:30.35 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile web and walk |
| 13:31.08 | SpeedEvil | you need to DD 30-35 quid/month - but it gets paid back over the year. These are incentives offered by the networks to phone shops to get new customers. |
| 13:31.36 | loufoque | it's only available for T Mobile? |
| 13:31.37 | SpeedEvil | Combined with the fact that some people will screw up and forget to send stuff in by the deadlines, and not qualify for the cashback |
| 13:32.41 | SpeedEvil | That one only seemed to offer me t-mobile contracts. I'm unsure if altering the parameters would change this. |
| 13:34.46 | fiferboy | Heh, my "products" karma shot up last night! |
| 13:35.11 | lbt | hows that? |
| 13:35.29 | fiferboy | lbt: me? |
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| 13:35.33 | lbt | yep |
| 13:35.50 | fiferboy | Got two apps promoted to fremantle extras |
| 13:35.56 | RST38h | fiferboy: yep |
| 13:36.03 | lbt | loufoque: I use ASDA payg |
| 13:36.05 | RST38h | strokes his karma |
| 13:36.43 | lcukx41 | put it away |
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| 13:37.29 | loufoque | lbt: isn't that a supermarket? |
| 13:37.47 | lbt | yes |
| 13:37.52 | qwerty12_N900 | loufoque: Tesco also have a network... |
| 13:37.59 | wazd | my produt carma sucks for obvious reasons :D |
| 13:38.09 | lbt | also a v.cheap low usage plan |
| 13:38.17 | achipa | apropos dbus, any pymaemo guys present ? |
| 13:38.17 | lbt | using vodaphone |
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| 13:38.46 | loufoque | that's 20p per MB, doesn't that mean 200£ for 1 GB? |
| 13:39.23 | lbt | well, if you don't have wifi at home it sucks |
| 13:39.23 | VDVsx | wazd, ah, I'll help on that :P |
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| 13:40.12 | loufoque | I'm wondering whether a regular phone plan with 3G internet or a mobile broadband plan is more adapted to a device such as the N900 |
| 13:40.13 | wazd | VDVsx: nobody's signing me as a maintainer, so I have only 35 for Titan :D |
| 13:41.04 | lbt | loufoque: mobile bb often can't make calls |
| 13:41.11 | VDVsx | VDVsx, well, I'll sign you as a author, you don't get karma as maintainer, afaik |
| 13:41.18 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: mobile broadband usually can't do calls or SMSs |
| 13:41.41 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: it looks like t-mobile are offering the best cashback at the moment. |
| 13:44.20 | SpeedEvil | If you literally make no calls, and only want data, then vodafone are offering a 1G/15 quid tarrif that does not expire. |
| 13:44.28 | wazd | VDVsx: neither author nor maintainer anyway :) |
| 13:44.30 | SpeedEvil | PAYG |
| 13:44.50 | lmoura | achipa, here |
| 13:45.16 | lmoura | setanta, baraujo also |
| 13:45.31 | jaska | 1g 15 gbp sounds like pure robbery |
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| 13:45.47 | SpeedEvil | jaska: well - yes and no. |
| 13:45.49 | VDVsx | wazd, well, you're not a package maintainer I guess :P |
| 13:46.07 | SpeedEvil | jaska: If you don't actually use much data, it can work out cheap - 300m/month = 5 quid/month |
| 13:46.27 | ali1234 | i pay £15/month for 1gb/unlimited gprs and 100 minutes on t-mobile |
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| 13:47.11 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: As a standard offer? I don't recall a tarrif like that. |
| 13:47.32 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: solo 15 + wen'n'walk + £5 loyalty discount |
| 13:48.19 | ali1234 | today they rang me up and offered me a "free" mobile broadband dongle |
| 13:48.28 | ali1234 | but i suspect there was a catch so i said i already had one |
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| 13:48.51 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: can't I just use SIP? |
| 13:49.06 | lcukx41 | fiferboy, something for you http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=361529#post361529 |
| 13:49.10 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: yes, in principle. |
| 13:49.48 | achipa | lmoura: hello there. do you perchance have any info on what's happening to python-dbus ? |
| 13:50.04 | lmoura | achipa, any problems? |
| 13:50.15 | lmoura | I'm not aware of any |
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| 13:50.18 | achipa | lmoura: the SDK and the autobuilder act completely differently |
| 13:50.49 | achipa | one has python2.5-dbus, the other doesn't + some paths seem to be different |
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| 13:51.40 | achipa | (the autobuilder would like to use python-dbus) |
| 13:51.46 | fiferboy | lcukx41: Thanks, I saw that |
| 13:52.04 | fiferboy | Did you notice how nice qwerty12_N900's colour buttons are? They work really, REALLy well ;) |
| 13:52.32 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: It doesn't give solo as an option for the web and walk package as far as I can see |
| 13:52.38 | qwerty12_N900 | Someome thinks a lot of their work... ;p |
| 13:52.38 | lcukx41 | lol fiferboy told you :) |
| 13:52.43 | achipa | lmoura: so I get stuff like https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python-qt4_4.4.3-maemo10/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 13:52.58 | achipa | lmoura: which compiles just fine on the SDK |
| 13:52.58 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: dunno, i didn't use the web site, i rang up and talked to a human. |
| 13:53.33 | ali1234 | i guess it isn't standard |
| 13:54.06 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: I hate companies like that. |
| 13:54.18 | ali1234 | you mean you hate all companies? |
| 13:54.19 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: (who don't give details of what's actually possible) |
| 13:54.24 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: Pretty uch. |
| 13:54.29 | ali1234 | yeah me too |
| 13:55.09 | achipa | lmoura: I can kick it arount by trial and error until it goes through, but I'm hogging the autobuilder because of this already |
| 13:55.23 | achipa | s/arount/around/ |
| 13:55.56 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: if you get solo 20 12 month it's £20 with free w'n'w, which would be the same if you applied a loyalty discount |
| 13:56.09 | ali1234 | of course, the deals for new vs renewing customers are always different |
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| 13:57.23 | lcukx41 | is goin loopy hearing about the island of sodor |
| 13:57.35 | lmoura | achipa, do you mean it works on SDK but fails in the autobuilder? |
| 13:58.19 | achipa | lmoura: Exactly. Fails miserably. (I'm using the 'final' SDK) |
| 13:58.54 | lmoura | achipa, could you post the pyqt-dbus .install file into some pastebin? |
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| 13:58.59 | SpeedEvil | ali1234: hmm - they ay have changed that - last I looked the free internet was 50M/mo - but it's now 1G |
| 13:59.06 | ali1234 | hmm actually i think i have combi 15 not solo 15 |
| 13:59.10 | VDVsx | wazd, congrats, you just got 84 karmas :P |
| 14:02.49 | achipa | lmoura: this is an n-th error in the chain, just fixing this little path issue won't help much, I already fixed a ton of things until I got even this far |
| 14:03.44 | lmoura | achipa, ok |
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| 14:04.29 | lmoura | baraujo, this looks like something related to python-support/central (installing modules in /var) |
| 14:04.59 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, ping |
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| 14:06.00 | qwerty12_N900 | vdvsx: I will not test your library for you |
| 14:06.03 | achipa | lmoura: the SDK comes with python-dbus 0.83.0-1maemo1 |
| 14:06.11 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, :( |
| 14:06.26 | qwerty12_N900 | I'm not that kind of person! |
| 14:06.27 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, did you managed to use the exit_app_view dbus call ? |
| 14:06.30 | achipa | lmoura: from http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free |
| 14:06.55 | achipa | lmoura: however, the autobuilder scoops up http://osso.stage.dmz fremantle/free python-dbus 0.83.0-1maemo3 |
| 14:07.00 | achipa | whoops ? |
| 14:07.19 | qwerty12_N900 | vdvsx: From dbus-send, yes. I could concoct a quick dbus-glib example if it'd help. Is this on the device or the SDK? |
| 14:07.30 | achipa | I could probably pin versions, but that's really not a solution |
| 14:07.56 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, device dbus-send fails here, probably I'm missing something |
| 14:08.11 | achipa | lmoura: and of course I did an apt-get update/upgrade on the SDK |
| 14:09.11 | qwerty12_N900 | vdvsx: "dbus-send --type=signal --session /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.exit_app_view" |
| 14:09.38 | baraujo | lmoura, yeah, maybe it's related... but it's strange IMHO |
| 14:09.50 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, exactly the same :( |
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| 14:09.59 | qwerty12_N900 | Works here |
| 14:10.15 | VDVsx | probably I broke something, gonna restart the daemons ;) |
| 14:10.47 | qwerty12_N900 | I blame you trying to link HD with your library |
| 14:10.58 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 14:11.48 | lmoura | achipa, I've just updated my repository and got the maemo3 version |
| 14:11.58 | lmoura | achipa, are you using extras-devel? |
| 14:12.51 | achipa | lmoura: no sir, as then I could not promote my stuff to testing (as I don't wish to promote other folks packages without consulting) |
| 14:13.50 | lmoura | probably that's the problem. Looks like the builder is getting the dbus-python from extras-devel |
| 14:14.22 | lmoura | achipa, BTW, we'll promote the packages to testing early next week |
| 14:14.36 | achipa | lmoura: but it shouldn't use -devel (unless it can't satisfy a dependency), right ? |
| 14:14.53 | achipa | I mean, the stable/testing repos should have higher package priorities |
| 14:15.56 | lmoura | achipa, actually I really don't know where it gets the files from (I'm not in charge of uploading the packages) =\ |
| 14:17.46 | achipa | achipa: yeah, but the point is in -devel it's dev stuff. ANybody can upload anything there, and since I'm not relying on cutting edge features, there is no need for a -devel relese to break my own -testing or -devel release (as it can function by using the -stable version) |
| 14:18.01 | achipa | whoops, talking to myself... |
| 14:18.25 | achipa | am I making sense at all ? :) |
| 14:18.32 | achipa | any* |
| 14:19.47 | achipa | listens to the telling silence :) |
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| 14:21.10 | wazd | VDVsx: wow! :D |
| 14:21.24 | ccooke_ | afternoon |
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| 14:22.45 | achipa | thinks he'll write a little mail to the -developers list that is likely not getting any replies either :) :( |
| 14:23.02 | loufoque | does maemo mapper work with google maps? |
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| 14:23.50 | lcuk | hey ccooke \o |
| 14:24.10 | lcuk | wazd, how on earth are you gonna get to this conf when you cant make it to any other |
| 14:25.12 | tekojo | achipa X-Fade who does this stuff is apparently away from his terminal, but will certainly get back to this, at least after he get's pinged like this :-) |
| 14:26.10 | lcuk | hey tekojo \o |
| 14:27.54 | achipa | tekojo: thx :) |
| 14:29.34 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, worked now ;) thanks |
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| 14:30.12 | qwerty12_N900 | vdvsx: np, and stop watching that... stuff |
| 14:30.27 | lcuk | thats not stuff |
| 14:30.59 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N900, the files you sent me, nah, I fwd them to lcuk |
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| 14:31.32 | lcuk | sorry i didnt get them either |
| 14:31.39 | qwerty12_N900 | *splutters* "I" sent you? |
| 14:31.48 | lcuk | oh wait, they were caught up in my midget pron filter |
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| 14:33.06 | tekojo | hi lcuk! |
| 14:33.12 | tekojo | achipa no problem |
| 14:34.44 | lcuk | tekojo, the video out on the devices (composite) that failed with my device (but works here on my tv), who would i be best to speak to to see if its a hardware or software prob |
| 14:36.17 | wazd | lcuk: it's magic :) |
| 14:36.38 | lcuk | wazd, which bits magic? you bein locked in country |
| 14:36.42 | lcuk | or the tv out |
| 14:37.12 | tekojo | lcuk tough call, I don't know the tv-out people |
| 14:37.33 | tekojo | first gut reaction would be to check the tv standard, is uk pal or ntsc? |
| 14:37.36 | lcuk | ok, well a quick attempt may be try new image in it |
| 14:37.41 | lcuk | uk pal |
| 14:37.47 | tekojo | so is NL |
| 14:37.59 | lcuk | i tried to switch between both |
| 14:38.02 | timeless_mbp | people testing enus1, if things worked properly, you should be able to get a new version which moves the menu item to the control panel |
| 14:38.08 | lcuk | on my tv, it shows both perfectly |
| 14:38.18 | lcuk | and on projectors at onedotzero it did same |
| 14:38.23 | lcuk | but now, on 2 projectors its failed |
| 14:38.34 | tekojo | lcuk mail danielwilms, or see if he shows up here :-) |
| 14:38.45 | lcuk | yeah was gonna |
| 14:39.11 | timeless_mbp | feedback should be queued to my mailbox |
| 14:39.16 | lcuk | i really like the tvout |
| 14:39.33 | lcuk | its something we can onup on the iphone mob with their low resolution crap |
| 14:39.36 | lcuk | oneup |
| 14:39.46 | timeless_mbp | since i'm away for a while |
| 14:40.03 | lcuk | will update later timeless |
| 14:40.25 | timeless_mbp | it looks like the string update itself might not have shipped, so i'll probably try again at some point |
| 14:40.35 | timeless_mbp | but be aware that the item will no longer be in More... :) |
| 14:40.43 | lcuk | tekojo, i found out the tv out can actually carry on running liqbase perfectly onto tv whilst i go back to the desktop and even start doing other apps |
| 14:41.09 | lcuk | alright cool timeless |
| 14:41.11 | lcuk | its better in cpl |
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| 14:41.56 | tekojo | lcuk read that somewhere, and was slightly surprised |
| 14:42.09 | lcuk | im greatly impressed :) |
| 14:42.23 | lcuk | tho my presentation software runs perfectly using just 800*480 |
| 14:42.33 | lcuk | it offers the future possibility to also just have slidenotes etc |
| 14:42.49 | lcuk | and have the main presentation directly from yuv as well |
| 14:43.12 | lcuk | but my presentations are currently fully interactive so i can jump around whilst giving it ;) |
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| 14:43.35 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 14:43.38 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! What's a good runtime check to see if we're running in scratchbox? I need to assume that networking's available in that case. |
| 14:43.48 | tekojo | lcuk danielwilms is here now :-) |
| 14:44.00 | danielwilms | huhu lcuk :) |
| 14:44.07 | lcuk | danielwilms haha hi there |
| 14:44.11 | Andy80 | is there a way to avoid all those hildon-desktop[2305]: GLIB WARNING in Scratchbox shell? they're very annoying :P |
| 14:44.52 | qwerty12_N900 | Nix: I've seen scripts by Nokia use "if [ -d /scratchbox ]"... |
| 14:44.57 | lcuk | danielwilms, just give that last bit of scrollback a review |
| 14:45.11 | _|Nix|_ | qwerty12_N900: Not a bad idea ... |
| 14:45.24 | hardaker | Andy80: >& /dev/null :-) |
| 14:45.25 | lcuk | but i have a problem that i havent got hardware projector that fails to see if the software works |
| 14:45.36 | lcuk | oooh hang on, next week i might be able to test.. |
| 14:45.43 | Myrtti | qwerty12_N900: oy! what's wrong with that :-D |
| 14:45.57 | danielwilms | lcuk...that sounds good :) |
| 14:45.58 | Andy80 | hardaker: well... but where I can set that so ALL application do it? |
| 14:46.11 | lcuk | danielwilms, which bit lol? |
| 14:46.15 | hardaker | scratchbox/login >& /dev/null? |
| 14:46.23 | qwerty12_N900 | Myrtti: I take back the "..." :P |
| 14:46.30 | danielwilms | lcuk that you can test :) |
| 14:46.38 | lcuk | waves @ Myrtti <3 |
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| 14:46.53 | lcuk | yeah daniel ill see if i can get hold of the projector |
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| 14:49.12 | danielwilms | lcuk, if not tell me what I should do :) |
| 14:49.33 | lcuk | well it seemed that most people who tried with the devices had no problem |
| 14:49.45 | lcuk | and as i say i have no problems on certain devices |
| 14:50.06 | Myrtti | wohey! it's 1700 in Finland and I can fall into my drowsy sneezy flu coma on the couch |
| 14:50.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:50.25 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 14:57.04 | wazd | lcuk: I've downloaded a jailbreak software for my country |
| 14:57.30 | lcuk | o_O nice! |
| 14:57.59 | zaheerm | jailbreak? |
| 14:58.04 | lcuk | hope they dont update their definitions |
| 14:58.27 | lcuk | lol wazd, even worse - they might update their IPS and prevent you from returning once you leave :P |
| 14:58.54 | wazd | lcuk: I hope they will not brick me on return :D |
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| 15:09.53 | andrewgodwin | jailbreak? not for maemo, I presume? :) |
| 15:10.52 | dl9pf | hehe ... its called "su" :P |
| 15:11.04 | RST38h | wazd: What are you jailbreaking? You are not telling us you have got an iPhone? =) |
| 15:11.14 | lcuk | jailbreaking russia |
| 15:11.34 | lcuk | so he is free to uninstall himself from the country for a while |
| 15:12.15 | zaheerm | he bought a plane ticket? |
| 15:12.32 | _berto_ | has anyone else noticed that after a few hours/days, the combo box in the browser stops working? is that a known issue? |
| 15:12.41 | _berto_ | i have to kill browserd for it to work again |
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| 15:13.29 | RST38h | The web page controls do not work very well for me either, but I *guess* it is most due to the lack of feedback |
| 15:13.45 | RST38h | The control works, just does not make it visible, and then you wait for javascript or network request |
| 15:18.21 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: where do you live btw? |
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| 15:20.37 | _berto_ | no, I mean when the page is idle |
| 15:20.45 | _berto_ | I open the bookmark list |
| 15:20.51 | _berto_ | and start to type someting |
| 15:21.02 | _berto_ | and at least the "Search foo in Google" option should appear |
| 15:21.08 | _berto_ | but nothing pops up |
| 15:22.41 | RST38h | Ah...Hmm...never tried it |
| 15:23.40 | RST38h | wonders if he should make Diablo releases this weekend |
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| 15:24.26 | loufoque | wait for Diablo 3 first |
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| 15:26.16 | loufoque | (that was supposed to be funny) |
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| 15:32.39 | sash_ | hello everybody. does a maemo-version for virtualbox exist? like in the sdk for webos? would like to test it, but i think something like this is not a part of the sdk. |
| 15:33.21 | yerga | andre__, ping |
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| 15:35.02 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: Fife. |
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| 15:35.54 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: as in scotland? |
| 15:36.07 | SpeedEvil | http://osm.org/go/evf1h38hW-- |
| 15:36.08 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 15:38.07 | andre__ | yerga, pongpong |
| 15:38.52 | yerga | andre__, is it possible change the name of a product in bugzilla? |
| 15:39.16 | yerga | andre__, of my products of course ;-) |
| 15:39.24 | andre__ | yerga, yes, by sending me chocolate |
| 15:39.34 | andre__ | (and a new name, of course) |
| 15:39.49 | SpeedEvil | Does the new name have to be engraved in the chocolate? |
| 15:39.49 | yerga | andre__, it's a deal then ;-) |
| 15:40.02 | andre__ | SpeedEvil, korrekt! |
| 15:41.24 | yerga | andre__, I want be fair with Nokia and am going to not use Maemo in the names of my applications |
| 15:41.37 | yerga | andre__, so if you can change it, would be nice |
| 15:41.46 | andre__ | yerga, so you want to go periodic? |
| 15:42.01 | yerga | andre__, no, better names |
| 15:42.16 | yerga | andre__, Maemo Periodic becomes Copernicium |
| 15:42.29 | yerga | andre__, and Maemo WordPy becomes MaStory |
| 15:42.40 | andre__ | Copernicium? ...and i get a node in my tongue for free :-P |
| 15:43.00 | andre__ | okay, I do this now directly? you have builds with the new names ready? |
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| 15:43.46 | yerga | andre__, yes please, I'm going to upload it in some minutes |
| 15:43.55 | andre__ | ah. cool. |
| 15:44.27 | andre__ | yerga, you don't maintain Maemo Mapper, just in case? :-P |
| 15:45.00 | qwerty12_N900 | andre: Now, now, be fair: Maemo Mapper is allowed :p |
| 15:45.06 | loufoque | what's the recommended mapping software these days |
| 15:45.08 | andre__ | yerga, renamed. |
| 15:45.10 | loufoque | I see lots on the maemo.org website |
| 15:45.13 | yerga | andre__, not, too complicated for me, don't have the skills ;-) |
| 15:45.26 | yerga | andre__, thanks! I owe you some chocolate |
| 15:45.27 | andre__ | hmm. mindmapping... |
| 15:45.32 | andre__ | yerga, haha, np. |
| 15:45.45 | yerga | andre__, to eat? right? |
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| 15:47.38 | wazd | RST38h: I don't have 300 euros for n900, how the hell I can buy an iPhone for a thousand? :D |
| 15:47.55 | loufoque | wazd: the N900 is 650â¬, not 300. |
| 15:48.08 | qwerty12_N900 | Developer discount. |
| 15:48.34 | SpeedEvil | I thought the discount was $100, or am I confused again. |
| 15:48.44 | andre__ | yerga, yeppah :) |
| 15:48.58 | andre__ | SpeedEvil, you are confused. |
| 15:49.06 | andre__ | but also right. |
| 15:49.55 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N900: The reason Maemo Mapper is a permitted application name is that it predates the trademark policy. Such products were granted explicit exclusions |
| 15:50.13 | Jaffa | IOW, you couldn't create "Maemo Mapper" today if you wanted to fit within the trademark policy. |
| 15:50.17 | qwerty12_N900 | I know. |
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| 15:50.45 | qwerty12_N900 | But it wasn't created today, hence it being allowed. |
| 15:50.53 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 15:53.40 | lcuk | yerga, :) glad you went with the Story name, it is right for yours and better than me sitting on it |
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| 15:54.12 | lcuk | whats the score with "blahblah for maemo" as a title like lots of "blahblah for windows" apps |
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| 15:54.39 | Plagman | Hey |
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| 15:54.55 | Plagman | Does the N900 have a digital compass? |
| 15:55.31 | yerga | lcuk, yeah, the *Story suffix has its point, it's easy to sell ;-) |
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| 15:56.27 | yerga | lcuk, I thought to rename it to "Wordpy for Maemo", but a single word it's imho better |
| 15:56.42 | Plagman | other question: is there a branch of SDL around that supports creating an OpenGL ES context through regular SDL_GL entrypoints? |
| 15:56.48 | hardaker | Plagman: don't think so. Just the GPS (which isn't as good for direction finding) |
| 15:57.06 | Plagman | I expect a compass to be a big help with turn-by-turn GPU as well |
| 15:57.19 | Plagman | which is basically what you just said actually |
| 15:57.26 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: price in dollars is usually cheaper than in euros |
| 15:57.37 | loufoque | even though a euro is worth 1.5 dollars |
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| 15:57.51 | lcuk | has a few skeleton apps like that called things like myStory, myJourney etc |
| 15:58.22 | hardaker | Plagman: true, but most GPSes actually shut off the compass and rely on gps signal beyond a given speed anyway for doing turn-by-turn things. |
| 15:58.44 | Jaffa | lcuk: "Blah for Maemo" is suggested by the trademark policy as a "good name" |
| 15:58.44 | hardaker | compasses are very useful when stationary but at a good clip the GPS itself is more than adequate. |
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| 15:59.08 | Plagman | anyhow, does maemo have turn-by-turn support out of the box? |
| 15:59.14 | lcuk | hardaker, its tough to use gps inside for treasure hunts |
| 15:59.21 | Jaffa | is annoyed by apps which have random prefices or suffices based on technology. e.g. KOffice, mCalendar, WordPy :-) |
| 15:59.44 | Plagman | a lot of apps must annoy you then |
| 15:59.46 | hardaker | lcuk: I'm a geocacher. I'm likely to still carry my garmin-with-a-compass around because I don't expect the N900 to be as good. |
| 16:00.30 | lbt | Jaffa: at least K-prefix groups them nicely in the package managers |
| 16:00.30 | lcuk | i agree jaffa |
| 16:00.46 | lcuk | K prefix annoys customers as much as qt* and even liq* |
| 16:00.59 | lbt | is way more annoyed at the non-orthogonal sets in the app mgr |
| 16:01.26 | lbt | suggests Apps, Software, Utilities and Tools |
| 16:01.47 | lbt | sadly that would clear things up |
| 16:01.59 | Jaffa | lbt: should've stuck your oar in when the community came up with the list |
| 16:02.04 | lbt | I did |
| 16:02.07 | Jaffa | Oh. |
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| 16:02.19 | Jaffa | Should've been louder or righter or just plain more persuasive ;-) |
| 16:02.22 | lbt | I was shouted down that orthogonal wasn't important |
| 16:02.37 | lcuk | categories arent helpful with the way they are presented |
| 16:02.38 | lbt | and I'll just veto it in Mer |
| 16:02.43 | lcuk | and app names arent either |
| 16:02.50 | lcuk | but there isnt really a better way atm |
| 16:02.56 | lcuk | the website has em ok |
| 16:03.04 | lbt | thinks we shjould "do it right" in Mer and they'll adopt it for harmattan |
| 16:03.06 | lcuk | cos you get examples of apps in the categories quicker |
| 16:03.26 | lcuk | has great hope in danielwilms downloads app |
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| 16:03.38 | Jaffa | lbt: How are "Apps", "Software", "Utilities" and "Tools" better? I've not had a problem finding an app I knew to exist in the Fremantle HAM and discovered new stuff in particular categories. |
| 16:03.44 | Plagman | so Maemo is Debian-based, right? |
| 16:03.49 | Jaffa | Plagman: Yes |
| 16:03.58 | Plagman | can you just add debian repositories to sources.lst and go from there? |
| 16:04.01 | Jaffa | lbt: Same grouping seems to work well enough for Ubuntu |
| 16:04.04 | lbt | Jaffa: are you going yankee on me? do I need <sarcasm> tags? |
| 16:04.06 | Plagman | ARM repositories, I mean |
| 16:04.20 | lcuk | Plagman, its debian based, but with specifics |
| 16:04.26 | lcuk | its possible on some levels to do as you ask |
| 16:04.27 | Jaffa | Plagman: Yes, but whether the apps will work will depend |
| 16:04.33 | Plagman | or do you have to jump through hoops to get that working? i.e. setup a bootstrap debian tree in an image and chroot into it? |
| 16:04.37 | lcuk | like i do it with source repos |
| 16:04.39 | Jaffa | lbt: Sorry, too much pain dealing with Texrat today |
| 16:04.44 | lbt | eek |
| 16:04.45 | Plagman | depend on what? |
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| 16:06.04 | lbt | Plagman: Mer does that |
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| 16:06.27 | Plagman | Mer? Sorry, I'm not familiar with Maemo-specific terms yet |
| 16:06.36 | lbt | takes ubuntu and Maemo src + rebuilds to be compatible |
| 16:06.43 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 16:06.58 | lbt | Mer is the community project to develop an 'open' maemo |
| 16:07.01 | Plagman | what exactly isn't compatible? does Maemo mess ith the userspace a lot? |
| 16:07.13 | lbt | backport to N810s and N800 too |
| 16:07.24 | lbt | Maemo is a complete distro |
| 16:07.29 | zash | Gnome Do on Maemo? |
| 16:07.34 | lbt | it has its own verions of many libs |
| 16:07.49 | lcuk | Plagman, its different enough to be frustrating on the small things |
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| 16:08.05 | lcuk | mer is much closer to upstream |
| 16:08.12 | Plagman | so your point is that the userspace setup might be different enough that ld will go crazy trying to execute debian-arm binaries |
| 16:08.14 | freenose | Hi, is it posible to use a 3G USB modem with a N810? |
| 16:08.19 | Plagman | but rebuilding should be fine, right?? |
| 16:08.24 | Plagman | -? |
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| 16:08.52 | SpeedEvil | freenose: yes. |
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| 16:10.51 | lbt | Plagman: correct |
| 16:10.59 | lbt | (at work - sporadic irc) |
| 16:11.02 | freenose | SpeedEvil: any tricks? do I need to compile some modules? |
| 16:11.11 | Plagman | and I assume most simpler apps/tools will just work |
| 16:11.23 | Plagman | i.e. stuff that's likely to depend only on libc and maybe ncurses |
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| 16:12.08 | Jaffa | Plagman: Inded. And there's a full chroot available as well (+ Mer which has already been discussed) |
| 16:12.16 | lbt | Plagman: yep -- it's about as safe as adding Debian Etch repos to Ubuntu Karmic |
| 16:12.17 | SpeedEvil | freenose: you need the normal 3G modem module, probably and you need an external power source |
| 16:12.35 | lbt | and if that feels safe and sane then go for it ;) |
| 16:12.40 | Plagman | great |
| 16:12.46 | Plagman | what's the terminal emulator of choice? |
| 16:12.55 | lbt | steps back from the impending mess |
| 16:13.04 | lbt | xterm runs fine |
| 16:13.06 | lcuk | gets lbt a raincoat |
| 16:13.20 | lbt | and a big brolly methinks |
| 16:13.31 | lcuk | has a Nokia N900 brolly |
| 16:13.40 | lcuk | its like a 4foot stylus |
| 16:13.44 | lbt | is jealous |
| 16:13.46 | Plagman | what's the general quality of the X11 driver for the graphics adapter that's in the N900? |
| 16:13.52 | devmax | erm, just one question. what's about armel perl? i mean if i'm trying to build a package with perl, dpkg-buildpackages told me 'using scratchbox tools to blabla the builddeps'.. okay but the perl in /scratchbox/tools/lib/perl/ is x86 perl.. for building armel packages, i need armel perl. what's going wronh there? is this a bug or so? |
| 16:13.52 | lbt | great |
| 16:13.54 | lcuk | has a Nokia N900 jacket too lol |
| 16:14.10 | lcuk | wont wear em tho lol |
| 16:14.13 | lbt | devmax: it's a bug called 'scratchbox' |
| 16:14.24 | devmax | lbt: LOL :D |
| 16:14.50 | lbt | seriously, it's one of the problems with sbox |
| 16:15.02 | lbt | (it's not that bad but sometimes) |
| 16:15.07 | devmax | yeah sad, i can only build irssi for armel without perl support. gnah |
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| 16:15.32 | lbt | devmax: hmmm |
| 16:15.41 | lbt | chroot? |
| 16:16.10 | lbt | wonders how to setup a plain N900 chroot |
| 16:16.18 | Plagman | when will the n900 be actually available anyway? |
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| 16:16.21 | Stskeeps | rootstrap |
| 16:16.24 | Plagman | or can I just show up in a store today and get it? |
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| 16:16.44 | lcuk | can the dev enviornment chroot be made available as an installable? |
| 16:16.47 | devmax | today? that would be great :D |
| 16:16.48 | lbt | Stskeeps the repo is clean enough that that works |
| 16:16.49 | lcuk | fully complete and ready to go? |
| 16:17.01 | Stskeeps | didnt you see that guys post? |
| 16:17.12 | lbt | nope |
| 16:17.13 | Plagman | well I agree that it would, but I haven't seen anything about a release date yet |
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| 16:17.32 | Stskeeps | someone on talk made a ondevice chroot |
| 16:17.54 | lbt | ah, talk.... yes, I heard of that site |
| 16:18.04 | freenose | SpeedEvil: the device can't power up the modem? |
| 16:18.19 | freenose | I hate nokia |
| 16:18.25 | SpeedEvil | freenose: no. |
| 16:18.39 | SpeedEvil | freenose: well... |
| 16:18.48 | SpeedEvil | Plagman: sometime in november |
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| 16:18.56 | devmax | anyway... if someone would like to test the irssi on this n900 device, feel free to contact me :) in the sdk it works (ok this has nothing to say) |
| 16:19.00 | SpeedEvil | Plagman: you can go into a store and get it. But they will chase you. |
| 16:19.01 | freenose | Why did they have to make the N900 not 850/1900 UMTS |
| 16:19.21 | Plagman | ? |
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| 16:19.27 | Plagman | what does that mean? |
| 16:19.42 | Plagman | the UMTS thing |
| 16:20.13 | freenose | means you can't have 3G with 850/1900 UMTS networks, at&t for example |
| 16:20.16 | SpeedEvil | freenose: becasue radio chipsets capable of all bands are rather expensive. |
| 16:20.23 | Plagman | what?! |
| 16:20.25 | Plagman | that sounds horribl |
| 16:20.27 | Plagman | e |
| 16:20.56 | Plagman | especially since I wad considering AT&T data plans |
| 16:20.59 | freenose | err s/850-1900/900-2100 |
| 16:21.02 | Plagman | I'm glad you said that |
| 16:21.18 | freenose | Plagman: the N900 is useless on at&t |
| 16:21.38 | freenose | unless you are happy with edge |
| 16:22.15 | Plagman | I'm most definitely not happy with edge |
| 16:22.28 | Plagman | I thought AT&T was the provider of choice for data |
| 16:22.32 | Plagman | that changes a lot |
| 16:22.37 | freenose | SpeedEvil: maybe a future N900 :) |
| 16:22.49 | SpeedEvil | freenose: probably. |
| 16:23.33 | Plagman | so who has the best data bandwidth? |
| 16:24.04 | Myrtti | so who can spit the furthest? |
| 16:24.38 | Plagman | I don't mean who as in who here |
| 16:24.42 | Plagman | I mean who as in which carrier |
| 16:25.11 | Plagman | I'm about to move to California and I need a data plan to go with my current G1 and my future N900 |
| 16:25.27 | wazd | "The DROID is an odd and beautiful device." - engadget |
| 16:25.52 | freenose | G1 doesn't support 850/1900 either so don't use at&t |
| 16:26.07 | Plagman | :-/ |
| 16:26.18 | wazd | can anybody point me a single thig that is beautiful in it? |
| 16:26.29 | Plagman | I like the shape personally |
| 16:26.46 | Plagman | I love devices that look like a solid brick (no irony) |
| 16:26.54 | Plagman | I like the DS lite, I like the Zune HD and I like the Droid |
| 16:27.29 | wazd | Plagman: there's an infinite spalce between Zune HD and droid |
| 16:27.39 | wazd | space* |
| 16:27.55 | wazd | Zune HD looks gogeous |
| 16:28.15 | wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/droid_review_60031.jpg seriously |
| 16:28.26 | freenose | wazd: the keyboard? |
| 16:28.53 | Plagman | freenose: do you have a preferred carrier besides AT&T? |
| 16:28.55 | wazd | freenose: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/droid_review_60012.jpg 0 that one? |
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| 16:30.48 | wazd | freenose: maybe I'm missing something but for me it looks like a result of chineese mold |
| 16:30.53 | freenose | wazd: looks ugly :P |
| 16:31.40 | freenose | Plagman: you are missing the point, at&t is fine, it just doesn't support the phones you want for 3G |
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| 16:32.16 | Plagman | freenose: exactly, which is why I need to find another fine one that does support them |
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| 16:32.19 | freenose | or the phone doesn't support at&t 3g network, whatever way you which to look at it :) |
| 16:32.27 | johnsq | Hi |
| 16:32.29 | Plagman | if that exists at all |
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| 16:33.36 | wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/droid_review20.jpg |
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| 16:36.10 | freenose | wazd: did you know where the specs are for that phone? |
| 16:36.12 | wazd | and all those white signs on the screen, moto logo, eeeew |
| 16:36.14 | freenose | *do |
| 16:36.20 | freenose | Plagman: tmobile is one |
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| 16:36.48 | wazd | freenose: http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Mobile-Phones/ci.Motorola-DROID-US-EN.alt |
| 16:37.47 | Plagman | freenose: I assume the G1 does support 3G on the T-Mobile network |
| 16:37.55 | Plagman | since it was marketed as the T-mobile G and all |
| 16:38.07 | Plagman | and by extension I assume the N900 does as well |
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| 16:52.47 | Plagman | freenose: the T-mobile website is horrible |
| 16:52.55 | Plagman | I can't understand anything about their data plans |
| 16:53.05 | Plagman | they don't say how they cap the bandwidth either |
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| 17:04.07 | AndrewFBlack | Hello |
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| 17:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, finally, DVR and UPnP are playing nice with the N900. |
| 17:39.24 | lcuk | goes to have dinner |
| 17:40.16 | lcuk | Robot101, thanks, speak to you later on. |
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| 17:49.40 | VDVsx | hihihi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRil6iP4GXw |
| 17:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | comskip is amazing |
| 17:52.13 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, lol. |
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| 17:52.30 | VDVsx | (original video -> Moto Droid) |
| 17:53.01 | EspadaV8_L | lol, i like that more than the droid video :) |
| 17:53.15 | EspadaV8_L | what is the song from the first part of that though? |
| 17:53.45 | andre__ | heh. nearly the same question here... i feel like i know the second song, somehow |
| 17:54.52 | VDVsx | EspadaV8_L, same as in the original video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPYM-XTqcec |
| 17:55.32 | wazd | heh, nice vid :) |
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| 17:55.42 | EspadaV8_L | VDVsx: yeah, but is it a real song? or just something for the advert? |
| 17:55.51 | VDVsx | EspadaV8_L, MAGIC" by MOZELLA |
| 17:55.58 | VDVsx | according to a youtube comment |
| 17:56.35 | EspadaV8_L | ah yes :) |
| 17:56.39 | EspadaV8_L | just noticed that too |
| 17:56.54 | VDVsx | EspadaV8_L, http://www.youtube.com/user/Mozellamusic#p/u/2/LVf94GMLN8s |
| 17:58.24 | EspadaV8_L | not as good as i was hoping :( oh well |
| 17:58.39 | wazd | I wonder if any manufacturer will finally skip that stupid "social media" hype in the ads |
| 17:58.54 | wazd | Look, you can twit from new Droid! |
| 17:58.55 | EspadaV8_L | it's days like this that i kind miss not using a rolling release distro |
| 17:59.12 | EspadaV8_L | social media is over rated |
| 17:59.19 | VDVsx | wazd, OMG, gonna buy one :D |
| 17:59.31 | wazd | you can twit from a $50 phone dude! :D |
| 17:59.37 | VDVsx | ohhh |
| 17:59.49 | wazd | and same for everything |
| 18:00.03 | VDVsx | you can twit by SMS, so any phone can twit ;) |
| 18:00.13 | wazd | VDVsx: well, yeah :) |
| 18:00.22 | VDVsx | well >1995 phone , perhaps |
| 18:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, they should get Anssi to show you how! |
| 18:02.09 | wazd | It sounds absolutely the same like "Look, you can copy/paste!" iPhone ad |
| 18:02.43 | KMFDM | actually |
| 18:03.13 | KMFDM | social media = irc :p |
| 18:04.19 | kynky | irc has facebook integration? :) |
| 18:04.36 | kynky | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.17 | GeneralAntilles | kynky, with the right bot? :D |
| 18:07.10 | AndrewFBlack | is it just me or does n900 battery applet tell you nothing about battery really |
| 18:08.18 | Plagman | is the desktop environment running on maemo completely custom? |
| 18:08.30 | Plagman | or is it based on an existing desktop window manager? |
| 18:08.41 | kynky | wm != de |
| 18:08.44 | Plagman | I know |
| 18:09.06 | Plagman | I'm mostly talking about the WM here, but I'm interested in the DE as well |
| 18:09.18 | kynky | gtk for widgets i thought |
| 18:09.39 | Plagman | really? I thought Nokia owned Trolltech, the company behind Qt |
| 18:09.45 | Plagman | I assumed they were using that |
| 18:09.46 | kynky | they do |
| 18:10.07 | Plagman | do you know if it's running a composited-desktop? |
| 18:10.14 | Plagman | do you know if the X server is heavily patched? |
| 18:10.22 | kynky | maemo6 for default qt |
| 18:11.07 | kynky | compiz would be nice i guess :) |
| 18:11.30 | Plagman | I'm afraid it's not a straightforward option |
| 18:11.54 | Plagman | since texturing from pixmaps is a GLX-ism |
| 18:12.20 | kynky | so use the 3d chip?, q3 works |
| 18:12.54 | kynky | opengl-es |
| 18:12.58 | kynky | i think |
| 18:12.59 | Plagman | the driver for that chip exposes EGL+OpenGL ES |
| 18:13.03 | Plagman | EGL as opposed to GLX |
| 18:13.14 | Plagman | EGL doesn't have an extension specced to texture from X pixmaps |
| 18:13.17 | Plagman | (I think) |
| 18:13.47 | kynky | well they could use the texture hack when compiz first started? |
| 18:13.56 | kynky | b4 it was in nvidia drivers for example |
| 18:13.56 | Plagman | the texture hack? |
| 18:14.03 | Plagman | you mean XGL? |
| 18:14.06 | Plagman | that's not an option either |
| 18:14.26 | wjt | Plagman: the window manager is Matchbox 2; it uses a somewhat-patched Clutter 0.8 |
| 18:14.30 | Plagman | XGL is long gone (thankfully) |
| 18:14.31 | Plagman | ahh |
| 18:14.32 | kynky | that was indirect, yeah , but think there were a few other options too |
| 18:14.35 | Plagman | Clutter has EGLX, right? |
| 18:14.39 | wjt | I think the X server is only lightly patched |
| 18:14.44 | pH5 | Hi, can anybody explain to me how the margin in the contacts app toolbar is achieved? |
| 18:14.44 | pH5 | If I add a GtkToolbar and put a HildonEntry inside, it starts right at the edge of the screen. |
| 18:15.37 | Plagman | so it is a composited desktop, so to speak |
| 18:16.22 | wjt | The WM also provides the application launcher, pannable desktop, etc. |
| 18:16.31 | wjt | "hildon-desktop' |
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| 18:18.12 | VDVsx | ROFL: http://twitter.com/gnome/statuses/5293899283 |
| 18:18.31 | VDVsx | click on the twit link :P |
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| 18:20.04 | wazd | VDVsx: well, that's an explanation :) |
| 18:20.19 | VDVsx | lololol |
| 18:20.23 | Plagman | is SDL_GL up and running on Maemo? |
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| 18:22.37 | zaheer_ | VDVsx, who cracked gnome's password? :) |
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| 18:26.14 | VDVsx | zaheer_, well, probably someone mess with the link ;) |
| 18:26.25 | VDVsx | *links |
| 18:27.08 | VDVsx | the correct one: http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/europeinsight/archives/2009/10/nokia_n900_dela.html |
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| 18:30.58 | Robot101 | oh good |
| 18:31.02 | Robot101 | Analyst Alan Nogee of researcher In-Stat, who recently declared 2010 "the year of Android," |
| 18:31.15 | Robot101 | whenever someone says "year of $foo", then $foo is a miserable failure during that year |
| 18:31.26 | Suurorca | :) |
| 18:32.33 | VDVsx | Robot101, well, at lest Android will have a good navigation system, it seems (/me is jealous) :) |
| 18:33.04 | zaheer_ | VDVsx, also planet gnome seems down, maybe related? |
| 18:33.09 | Suurorca | ah, but will it cache the maps? ;p |
| 18:33.17 | ShadowJK | It's kinda sad, nokia maps on symbian is perfectly functional and capable :/ |
| 18:33.24 | Suurorca | will it be of any use while travelling? |
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| 18:34.07 | Suurorca | it's almost hilarious how much tomtom shares dropped ;p |
| 18:34.09 | VDVsx | zaheer_, the just corrected the link, dunno |
| 18:34.22 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, Gate5 seems to be retarded. |
| 18:34.28 | ShadowJK | gate5? |
| 18:35.24 | GeneralAntilles | The developer behind the fail. |
| 18:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1080790 |
| 18:36.34 | lcuk | is the map format for symbian/maemo maps available anywhere |
| 18:36.52 | lcuk | is it possible to use the system default downloaded maps on n900 in another app |
| 18:36.56 | ShadowJK | well, Nokia Maps on my E75 is full of "(C) Navteq" and no mention of Gate5... |
| 18:38.06 | evo | hi guys, I fell in love with n900 a couple of weeks ago, now I'm reading about maemo and so on ... glad to be here :) |
| 18:38.31 | GeneralAntilles | evo, welcome! |
| 18:38.56 | evo | GeneralAntilles: thanks! |
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| 18:39.51 | AndrewFBlack | whats differance between load-applet and maemo5-load applet in fremantle repo |
| 18:41.50 | GeneralAntilles | One of them is better. |
| 18:41.53 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know which, though. |
| 18:42.11 | AndrewFBlack | lol I would think maemo5 one might be better |
| 18:42.26 | ifreq | yeh cooler name.. not :P |
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| 18:45.30 | GAN900 | If anybody is rating packages and notices people mentioning the 'N900' or 'Maemo 5 'when 'Maemo' would be more appropriate, please mention it. ;) |
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| 18:55.58 | lcuk | Jaffa, if rotation support gets built in, the app preview images will need to handle this. just a thought. |
| 18:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | They should just be dropped. |
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| 18:59.50 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i agree, but if people want them and are starting to use them, it will need thinking about as part of the rotation stuff |
| 18:59.55 | lcuk | and better now, than later |
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| 19:00.37 | GeneralAntilles | I don't think anybody wants them. |
| 19:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | They're confusing and irritating. |
| 19:01.03 | Jaffa | What? Preview images. |
| 19:01.13 | Jaffa | +? |
| 19:01.21 | GeneralAntilles | On app launch. |
| 19:01.23 | Jaffa | likes them; /me wants them. |
| 19:01.32 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, you shut up. |
| 19:01.42 | Jaffa | Have you seen how long it can take an N900 to launch a trivial Python app from the eMMC?! |
| 19:01.44 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I want your app previews. |
| 19:01.52 | GeneralAntilles | I don't like Nokia's. |
| 19:02.02 | Jaffa | Hmm |
| 19:02.09 | johnsq | Jaffa: your fault don't use python |
| 19:02.15 | Jaffa | suspects it'll get even worse once Python is optified. |
| 19:02.16 | lcuk | +1 ;) |
| 19:02.26 | GeneralAntilles | How did the eMMC get so slow? |
| 19:02.32 | lcuk | optify the whole python branch in one go? |
| 19:02.33 | Jaffa | johnsq: My time is too valuable to waste time in a high-level macro language such as C |
| 19:02.38 | lcuk | doesnt that make directory parsing once |
| 19:02.44 | lcuk | and not for each individual file |
| 19:03.01 | johnsq | Jaffa: than don't blame its slow. |
| 19:03.06 | Jaffa | lcuk: Yes, but there are apparently "issues" due to the way Python works out where it is. None of them insurmountable. |
| 19:03.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: assembly then? |
| 19:03.23 | GeneralAntilles | Think we can optify the startup vid? |
| 19:03.43 | Jaffa | johnsq: It is slow; this is a fact. That I've chosen to trade off start-up time for ease of maintenance is my business. |
| 19:03.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: Much more preferable TBH ;-) |
| 19:03.53 | RST38h | General,Jaffa: better optify locale cache, 16MB of useless crap |
| 19:04.28 | johnsq | Jaffa: try to use python jit. |
| 19:04.30 | Jaffa | RST38h: Isn't that part of the flashed image? Presumably it could be regenerated on first boot but splitting the flashed image complicates things too |
| 19:04.33 | lcuk | o_O |
| 19:04.44 | RST38h | btw, localedef is missing from Maemo5 so I cannot even purge unused locales from that cache |
| 19:04.53 | lcuk | wouldnt it be cool for apps to add startup items as part of their postinst |
| 19:05.12 | lcuk | "*dum dee dumm omweater onboard bing bong" |
| 19:05.17 | lcuk | omweather |
| 19:05.33 | etrunko | thp: ping |
| 19:05.44 | Jaffa | johnsq: Psyco "uses a lot of memory"; so could get slowness through masses of swapping |
| 19:05.58 | Jaffa | johnsq: Oh, and Psyco is x86 only. Is there an ARM Python JIT? |
| 19:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | needs thp, too. |
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| 19:06.29 | johnsq | Jaffa: i don't know. |
| 19:07.38 | lcuk | would people be happy with short movies on bootup from sponsors of OSS apps? |
| 19:07.47 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, mmc type things have always been slow for anything but bulk transfers |
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| 19:08.27 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, yes, but slower than N8x0 stuff? |
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| 19:08.59 | lbt | has anyone looked at prelink on n900 ? |
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| 19:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | florian, ping? |
| 19:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, ping? |
| 19:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | mikkov_, ping? |
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| 19:22.54 | BluesLee | ping ping? |
| 19:25.09 | florian | re |
| 19:25.15 | florian | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 19:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | florian, would you like a Maemo Community cloak? |
| 19:26.33 | florian | GeneralAntilles: sounds cool :) |
| 19:26.44 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.51 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade's talking to a staffer as we speak. |
| 19:27.09 | fiferboy | I just got contacted about applying my cloak |
| 19:27.51 | florian | ah cool |
| 19:27.57 | florian | thinks that might be a good idea |
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| 19:28.32 | lbt | dons cloak |
| 19:28.38 | fiferboy | too |
| 19:28.53 | lbt | and swirls it in a true Paso Doble manner |
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| 19:29.03 | fiferboy | lbt: Always with the dancing... |
| 19:29.21 | lbt | as in irc as in life |
| 19:30.09 | X-Fade | I guess the credits are gone for this round ;) |
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| 19:33.45 | RST38h | moos thoughtfully |
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| 19:35.14 | fiferboy | Do cloaks give any magic powers? |
| 19:35.28 | johnsq | fiferboy: yes scare noobs |
| 19:35.35 | fiferboy | :O |
| 19:36.14 | javispedro | moo RST38h. what a lengthy discussion for bug #5300 |
| 19:36.27 | ifreq | they give stats.. like 10 health, 10 agi, 15 strength |
| 19:36.31 | RST38h | javis: That is bt sharing? |
| 19:36.35 | javispedro | yep |
| 19:36.49 | javispedro | my n810's blue led hasn't stopped blinking for the whole day |
| 19:36.52 | RST38h | javis: I really doubt anyone will care enough to fork FM even if it is open sources =( |
| 19:36.58 | javispedro | FM is a shim |
| 19:36.58 | RST38h | sourced |
| 19:37.04 | javispedro | around hildon-fm which is OSS |
| 19:37.18 | RST38h | There are different opinions on that =) |
| 19:37.46 | javispedro | well, not a light shim. |
| 19:37.58 | lcuk | javispedro, whats bug 5300 |
| 19:38.09 | javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 |
| 19:38.14 | javispedro | support sending files via bt in file manager |
| 19:38.15 | lcuk | can someone teach infobot or something how to auto expand those |
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| 19:39.07 | RST38h | javis: I have heard from Nokians that all the BT support (up to gnome fs level) is still there just needs ot be reenabled |
| 19:39.20 | javispedro | in fact, the bt support comes from gnome ... |
| 19:39.33 | RST38h | yep |
| 19:39.37 | RST38h | but it has been disabled in fm |
| 19:39.40 | javispedro | well, it comes from gvfs.. |
| 19:39.47 | javispedro | gio is being used now iirc. |
| 19:39.56 | javispedro | so, not trivial then. |
| 19:40.21 | lcuk | dodes it need new ui adding |
| 19:40.31 | RST38h | I have heard a suggestion to try obex:// in MicroB first |
| 19:40.33 | javispedro | what I'm sure is that the file system root nodes come from hildon-fm |
| 19:40.47 | javispedro | so potentially you could add the obex one back |
| 19:40.52 | RST38h | yea |
| 19:41.03 | RST38h | if nothing else got broken while it was disabled |
| 19:41.25 | javispedro | RST38h: I don't agree with your point about OBEXFTP being more useful. Older Palms don't support FTP but only EXchange. |
| 19:41.55 | RST38h | javis: Yes, but we probably no longer need to care about those =) |
| 19:42.06 | RST38h | javis: Ideally though, both are needed |
| 19:42.30 | javispedro | missing OBEX "send" and receive support seems like a glaring omission to me. |
| 19:42.36 | javispedro | well, receive support is there at least I hope? |
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| 19:44.08 | javispedro | and, well, reimplementing the fm just for adding a freaking menu item in the context menu seems insane, so file a "Open Feature Request" and I'll vote for it :) |
| 19:44.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: Any way to upload a screenshot? |
| 19:45.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: Try now? |
| 19:45.59 | RST38h | javis: I would like ot let thp harvets karma for that, it was his idea after all :) |
| 19:46.22 | RST38h | trying... |
| 19:47.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: No luck. Page simply reloads, no file upload |
| 19:48.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: Do you click on upload or on save? |
| 19:48.25 | RST38h | browse, then upload |
| 19:49.54 | X-Fade | needs all people with cloack request to see if they got a messeage about their cloack. |
| 19:50.00 | Jaffa | has |
| 19:50.03 | X-Fade | You guys need to respond to that message. |
| 19:50.04 | Jaffa | has had it applied. |
| 19:50.34 | X-Fade | This service announcement was brought to you by: maemo.org |
| 19:50.41 | X-Fade | :) |
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| 19:52.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: tried again, still does not work |
| 19:52.41 | X-Fade | RST38h: I'm checking something. Let me see if that is i ;) |
| 19:53.01 | X-Fade | RST38h: Maybe the files aren't written out to the static cache. |
| 19:54.06 | RST38h | It is all mumbo jumbo to me =) |
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| 19:58.56 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Gave you some powers on the channel. |
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| 20:01.06 | VDVsx | X-Fade, can I kick lcuk now ? |
| 20:01.14 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Yeah, that should work. |
| 20:01.16 | VDVsx | is kidding :) |
| 20:01.31 | lcuk | well i did kick you in london |
| 20:01.44 | VDVsx | lcuk, you bastard!!! |
| 20:02.35 | GeneralAntilles | Oh crap! |
| 20:02.36 | GeneralAntilles | hides. |
| 20:02.54 | VDVsx | wonders why maemo-optify sometimes do weird things |
| 20:02.55 | lcuk | lol GeneralAntilles it will take him 30 minutes to learn how to kick |
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| 20:04.09 | RST38h | wazd: Here? |
| 20:04.10 | lcuk | X-Fade, did you put the "pull app from testing if owner downvotes it" tweak to the server? |
| 20:04.25 | lcuk | so that if testers identify a blocker bug they dont waste time testing |
| 20:04.32 | lcuk | *the others dont waste time |
| 20:04.40 | X-Fade | lcuk: no, not yet. |
| 20:05.39 | X-Fade | lcuk: Thinking of doing that this night. Or sleep. Hmm tough... |
| 20:05.51 | GeneralAntilles | Sleep is for the weak. |
| 20:05.55 | lcuk | sleep dude, the rest of the apps themselves need testing |
| 20:06.11 | lcuk | better to have people checking different things |
| 20:06.21 | X-Fade | I need to skip the test session tomorrow ;( |
| 20:06.36 | lcuk | thats also ok as long as the servers dont melt |
| 20:06.42 | X-Fade | So I'd better do something in advance ;) |
| 20:07.06 | lcuk | lol |
| 20:07.28 | lcuk | is having a bit of a cleanup tonight |
| 20:07.46 | X-Fade | lcuk: Vacuuming at 3am? :) |
| 20:07.57 | lcuk | its 8pm |
| 20:08.17 | X-Fade | lcuk: tonight doesn't specify an end :) |
| 20:08.37 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 20:08.50 | lcuk | :) i did just buy a new jar of coffee |
| 20:09.09 | lcuk | has "a mega brew for a mega dad" cup |
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| 20:12.01 | javispedro | so, considering dosbox, openttd, and drnoksnes. on which aspect should I waste my time to try to pass -testing QA? >:) |
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| 20:13.32 | javispedro | is so evil. |
| 20:14.38 | kulve | GeneralAntilles: pong |
| 20:14.48 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, you want a Maemo Community cloak? |
| 20:15.10 | kulve | I guess I don't need one. I'm not that active here.. |
| 20:15.17 | kulve | thanks for asking |
| 20:15.20 | GeneralAntilles | kulve, fair enough. |
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| 20:15.48 | javispedro | seriously speaking, I'm a bit worried about the "power management" QA checklist item. |
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| 20:16.23 | javispedro | from what I read, it seems like if I have to messagebox the user "this app WILL waste your battery" and then go on and suck their precious watts |
| 20:16.36 | javispedro | does bounce do that? |
| 20:16.40 | RST38h | javis: BTW, OpenTTD still needs work =) |
| 20:16.42 | javispedro | I'm sure it sucks the battery... |
| 20:16.49 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, no |
| 20:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | You're fine. |
| 20:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | I think people are aware games suck power. |
| 20:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | This is more an issue with something like Transmission. |
| 20:17.25 | javispedro | RST38h: retrofitting all dialogs... er... |
| 20:17.30 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ta |
| 20:17.34 | RST38h | javis: Pleaseeeeee |
| 20:17.38 | RST38h | =) |
| 20:17.53 | javispedro | goes to check what they did to DS port |
| 20:17.56 | RST38h | just made an empty shell for a small music player |
| 20:18.05 | v2px | a/cs infp #maemo |
| 20:18.07 | v2px | huh |
| 20:18.11 | v2px | i failed |
| 20:18.16 | javispedro | RST38h: MAFW? |
| 20:18.18 | v2px | twice |
| 20:18.23 | RST38h | Going to ask wazd for a skin and make a player |
| 20:18.33 | RST38h | javis: Dunno, have not yet figured how I am going to play files |
| 20:18.54 | RST38h | javis: All I want is a scrollable, searchable list of files in nice retro font and LCD colors |
| 20:19.02 | javispedro | hehe |
| 20:19.20 | RST38h | javis: I do not care for all that stuff they have got in the default player |
| 20:20.06 | javispedro | I would want a player with "Just play this damn entire folder, which corresponds to a single album, inside a folder structure I've spent years organizing" support. |
| 20:20.46 | Suurorca | *shrugs* oggplay did that rather well on s60 |
| 20:20.59 | javispedro | but then, I prefer the kickass gui, so mass id3tag editors do the job for now. |
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| 20:22.28 | javispedro | RST38h: even the DS port maintainer only retrofitted 4 windows. and that's the "official portable device openttd" port :P |
| 20:22.35 | javispedro | see http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=35306 |
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| 20:24.37 | lcuk | RST38h, i told you, a media player is "hello world" :P |
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| 20:31.39 | RST38h | lcuk: the problem is that nobody has written it so far |
| 20:32.09 | RST38h | javis: well we are not DS, got way more resolution |
| 20:33.54 | RST38h | Eh...Nokia shutting down NGage |
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| 20:35.25 | EspadaV8_L | yeah, so i read, i thought they already had :-S |
| 20:35.51 | RST38h | next: Ovi Store |
| 20:36.10 | RST38h | Has Nokia Download been closed down as well btw? |
| 20:36.20 | EspadaV8_L | hopefully |
| 20:36.25 | EspadaV8_L | that thing was a mess |
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| 20:39.30 | RST38h | which of them was NOT a mess? :) |
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| 20:43.03 | EspadaV8_L | errmm... |
| 20:43.16 | EspadaV8_L | the application manager on the n900? :-) |
| 20:43.25 | EspadaV8_L | no, wait, that has fail too |
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| 20:49.19 | RST38h | Hmmm.. How do people upload their screenshots at all? |
| 20:49.33 | javispedro | to maemo.org/downloads? |
| 20:49.38 | RST38h | yea |
| 20:49.50 | javispedro | OS2008 was using the annoying floating bar |
| 20:50.47 | RST38h | same in maemo5 |
| 20:51.25 | javispedro | i see a screenshot field there. |
| 20:51.41 | RST38h | yes but when you click Upload it never uploads |
| 20:51.46 | javispedro | ah, nice. |
| 20:53.27 | Jaffa | RST38h: No, I had that. Gave up. Went back in, it was there. Figured it was a microb weirdity |
| 20:54.04 | RST38h | I am uploading via firefox. tried ie too, didn't work |
| 20:54.21 | RST38h | the package editing interface is so badly broken :( |
| 20:54.39 | javispedro | I had a hard time just to add myself as an author once. I keep on adding everyone save for me. |
| 20:54.49 | javispedro | s/I keep/It keep |
| 20:54.51 | GeneralAntilles | So far it's taken Amazon 4 days to get the package to the post office. |
| 20:55.08 | RST38h | javis: yea, but this can be worked around with ie6 =) |
| 20:55.17 | RST38h | javis: ie6 miraculously works |
| 20:55.24 | javispedro | Amazon takes a whopping half month to ship here, and that's with the non-cheapest shipping option. |
| 20:55.49 | GeneralAntilles | Standard 3-5 day shipping |
| 20:55.56 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, but at least your post office isn't a bunch of socialist luddites who are currently striking |
| 20:55.57 | GeneralAntilles | Says it's going to arrive next Wednesday. |
| 20:56.03 | RST38h | General: sounds typical, takes the same to MD |
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| 20:56.26 | javispedro | I can't complain. I ordered a book, they said me "10 november", and it arrived this wednesday. |
| 20:56.31 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hey, don't blame me for your inability to keep the proles happy. :P |
| 20:56.47 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I normally get about 2-4 days with standard shipping and USPS. |
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| 20:57.11 | RST38h | Jaffa: Actually, his post office is either a bunch of armed wackos ready to kill their coworkers or a bunch of freeloaders hired by USPS just to get them off velfare |
| 20:57.27 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
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| 21:05.36 | caotic | do you guys think that the n900 would be compatible with any cellphone carrier ? (outside de us ? ) |
| 21:05.52 | freenose | sure |
| 21:06.02 | ifreq | caotic: why not? |
| 21:06.25 | freenose | but check the 3G bands in your country |
| 21:07.01 | caotic | well a lot of cellphones that are bought over the counter in us have to had some modifications to be able to work with the carriers ... I think (I dont really now about cellphone regulations) |
| 21:07.18 | ifreq | ah okay.. not familiar with us stuff |
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| 21:07.43 | sijk | GSM 1800, GSM 1900, GSM 850, GSM 900, WCDMA 1700, WCDMA 2100, WCDMA 900 |
| 21:07.54 | caotic | I am very hipped to buy mine, but I am realistic and I know there will be some pains .. |
| 21:08.29 | freenose | what country? |
| 21:08.34 | caotic | mexico |
| 21:09.40 | freenose | caotic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks |
| 21:09.58 | freenose | it that links is correct, you won't be able to use 3G with the n900 in mexico |
| 21:10.42 | caotic | freenose: bummer |
| 21:10.50 | caotic | freenose: does it has gprs ? |
| 21:10.55 | ifreq | freenose: yeh but he can use edge ofcourse |
| 21:11.01 | ifreq | caotic: well usually they do |
| 21:11.02 | caotic | the n900 ? |
| 21:11.07 | freenose | yes you can edge |
| 21:11.10 | ifreq | would be fun to see phone with 3G only |
| 21:11.11 | ifreq | :) |
| 21:11.49 | freenose | but using a n900 with edge is sad :P |
| 21:12.17 | ifreq | well 3G doesnt work everywhere even its listed on some site. |
| 21:12.24 | caotic | freenose: but not as sad as not using a n900 :) |
| 21:12.31 | ifreq | heh |
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| 21:13.54 | caotic | freenose: how can you tell that 3G wont work. .. I mena what frequency is needed ... |
| 21:15.51 | freenose | compare the UMTS freqs supported by the N900 to those supporte by your country |
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| 21:16.38 | caotic | I see |
| 21:16.46 | caotic | well still exited |
| 21:17.09 | freenose | you should be depressed! |
| 21:17.28 | caotic | Why I mostly use wifi. |
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| 21:18.33 | caotic | What will be a pain is to buy the darn thing Nokia mx wont sell it and nokia us is very anal about the creditcard's country |
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| 21:21.24 | freenose | ebay? |
| 21:23.21 | ifreq | caotic: what about nokiastore? |
| 21:24.58 | caotic | freenose: it may be very expensive to buy by ebay |
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| 21:37.45 | thp | here |
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| 21:40.15 | javispedro | iTunes breaking Palm Pre again :D |
| 21:41.10 | jaem_n810 | heh |
| 21:41.15 | jaem_n810 | poor Palm |
| 21:41.36 | javispedro | btw, noticed that the Palm Pre has a 256MiB rootfs too? |
| 21:41.51 | javispedro | why they don't get a shitload of complains like the N900 does? |
| 21:41.53 | thp | etrunko: pong |
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| 21:42.08 | lcuk | javispedro, apps are data |
| 21:42.10 | johnsq | javispedro: because they are closed source |
| 21:42.27 | lcuk | they are mostly web stuff with a framework |
| 21:42.45 | lcuk | i could have 32gb of html |
| 21:42.49 | javispedro | lcuk: but the installer puts them in rootfs, because they don't want windoze users watching all the javascript source and messing with it while mounting through USB |
| 21:42.53 | javispedro | which is the core issue here. |
| 21:43.01 | jaem_n810 | lcuk: did you see the post about it by Matthew Garret? |
| 21:43.46 | lcuk | no jaem |
| 21:43.54 | lcuk | briefly? |
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| 21:44.24 | Jaffa | Anyone have a Maemo 5 commandline for opening a random image (under /usr/share/icons) in image_viewer, sketch or browser? |
| 21:44.33 | jaem_n810 | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/111453.html |
| 21:44.37 | jaem_n810 | quite interesting |
| 21:44.47 | javispedro | so what do palm pre users do? "optification", but it's called "mvapptification". |
| 21:44.52 | jaem_n810 | heh |
| 21:45.07 | lcuk | Jaffa, fiferboy knows |
| 21:45.15 | lcuk | and its built into his picture frame viewer |
| 21:45.24 | GeneralAntilles | thp, would you like a Maemo Community cloak? |
| 21:45.36 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i have my shields up! |
| 21:45.47 | thp | GeneralAntilles: yes, please :) i wanted to reply to your mail but somehow forgot |
| 21:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | thp, right, marking you down. |
| 21:46.00 | thp | thanks |
| 21:46.02 | GeneralAntilles | May be a while until we get the next round through, though. |
| 21:46.07 | lcuk | hi thp |
| 21:46.08 | GeneralAntilles | You missed the second round a few hours ago. ;) |
| 21:46.12 | thp | lcuk: hi |
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| 21:46.16 | jaem_n810 | GA: what's this? |
| 21:46.24 | Jaffa | lcuk: I just need a quick one-liner |
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| 21:47.02 | Jaffa | lcuk: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/widgets_tickmark_list.png |
| 21:47.11 | Jaffa | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" --print-reply /com/nokia/osso_browser/request com.nokia.osso_browser.load_url string:/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon/widgets_tickmark_list.png |
| 21:47.15 | Jaffa | rather |
| 21:47.18 | Jaffa | Catchy, innit? |
| 21:47.41 | GeneralAntilles | jaem_n810, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/community/53743 |
| 21:47.59 | lcuk | Jaffa, you found it already! |
| 21:49.45 | javispedro | lcuk: oh, saw you're doing irc stats |
| 21:49.51 | javispedro | how often do you usually update them? |
| 21:49.59 | javispedro | or was it just a one-shot issue? |
| 21:50.03 | lcuk | ive never done them or updated them lol |
| 21:50.06 | lcuk | it was just a quick run |
| 21:50.15 | lcuk | marius needs to do proper stats |
| 21:50.15 | javispedro | ah, nm then. |
| 21:50.22 | lcuk | for complete session |
| 21:50.35 | javispedro | they're fun. |
| 21:50.38 | lcuk | yeah |
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| 21:51.23 | etrunko | thp: how's the feedparser thing? |
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| 21:51.37 | Suurorca | yeah, but generating them from 10 years worth of backlog is getting a bit cpu intensive =) |
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| 21:52.30 | thp | etrunko: did not have time to work on it in the last couple of days, but will hopefully continue soon |
| 21:53.41 | thp | etrunko: i am thinking of solving the multiple-application integration by simply using .desktop files that handle the rss reader mimetype and then searching for suitable applications using that. |
| 21:54.22 | thp | etrunko: you would have to provide a d-bus service that uses mime_open, but you basically have this already with canola's feedhandler, so it would be pretty painless to integrate :) |
| 21:56.14 | etrunko | ok, is it already available for diablo? |
| 21:56.27 | etrunko | i'm about to release a new version of canola and plugins |
| 21:56.58 | etrunko | so i think i should still ship the feedparser? |
| 21:57.04 | thp | yes, it's in diablo extras-devel iirc |
| 21:57.09 | etrunko | hmm |
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| 21:58.05 | thp | i think you can still ship it, but maybe rename the "feedhandler" to canola.feedhandler or something |
| 21:58.50 | thp | (and the d-bus service name and things like that in general.. so that we don't have name clashes between the two different feedhandlers) |
| 21:59.09 | etrunko | makes sense |
| 22:00.29 | thp | and then as soon as i get my act together and implement the .desktop file parsing, you just have to remove the postinst/postrm sed'ing of the defaults file and then I can set a "Conflicts: canola-tuning (< [the new version])" on the feedhandler package, and it should work (I think?) |
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| 22:14.28 | a1mega | Anyone know if it is possible to run REBOL programming language on N810 OS2008? |
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| 22:15.00 | lbt | a1mega: is it OSS code with a debian port? |
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| 22:15.50 | a1mega | I'm not sure...the download is at rebol.com |
| 22:17.10 | ali1234 | no, it appears to be binary only and they only have linux bins for x86 and ppc |
| 22:17.32 | a1mega | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.34 | ali1234 | and the licence says no modifications |
| 22:17.54 | etrunko | thp: my experience says that app manager can't solve the conflicts/replaces stuff |
| 22:18.04 | a1mega | I know they have a version for Ubuntu. |
| 22:18.36 | etrunko | e.g. this new version of canola isn't *upgradable* with app manager, but works ok with a simple #apt-get install canola2 command |
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| 22:18.53 | etrunko | if you don't have canola installed then it is installable with app manager |
| 22:18.55 | etrunko | anyway |
| 22:19.20 | a1mega | I sure wish Nokia would had put the N900 guts into the N810 and improved the keyboard. :( |
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| 22:20.27 | thp | etrunko: hmm. so what do you suggest with handling of upgrades / conflicts with old versions? |
| 22:21.48 | SpeedEvil | a1mega: why? |
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| 22:23.17 | ali1234 | i'd rather have it in something like a psion 5 |
| 22:23.24 | a1mega | I really enjoy the size and keyboard of the N810.....the N900 looks too small and there is less keyboard. |
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| 22:23.45 | a1mega | I do like the Psion T too. |
| 22:24.11 | ali1234 | i'm sure someone will make something like that soon |
| 22:24.55 | a1mega | Does anyone know it there will be a Adobe Flash 10 upgrade to N810? |
| 22:25.06 | GeneralAntilles | The N900 keyboard kicks the N810's keyboard's ass. |
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| 22:25.45 | VDVsx | etrunko, it seems that some of these issues only happens if you install things by the command line |
| 22:26.08 | a1mega | Is there an alternative Twitter client to Mauku which allows replying to tweets? |
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| 22:26.57 | a1mega | Gen.. I thought the N910 had less keys than N800? |
| 22:27.18 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, sure, but the number of keys aint everything. |
| 22:27.32 | SpeedEvil | It does, it loses all the vowels. |
| 22:27.32 | GeneralAntilles | The tactile feedback alone is worlds better |
| 22:27.56 | ali1234 | http://www.filesaveas.com/images/psion5.jpg <- best palmtop keyboard ever |
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| 22:28.23 | ali1234 | and it's 12 years old |
| 22:28.46 | a1mega | N900 keybrd only has 3 rows of keys versus N810 4 rows. |
| 22:28.46 | javispedro | and if released today would have all bloggers laughing for more than 24 hours. |
| 22:29.01 | ali1234 | bloggers are dumb |
| 22:29.24 | javispedro | who isn't? :) |
| 22:29.48 | ali1234 | meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 22:30.20 | a1mega | =»The tactile feedback alone is worlds... That's what I meant by improving the N8qp's kybrd. :) |
| 22:31.03 | ali1234 | seriously, i would have thought it's exactly what bloggers want. i mean who wants to write a blog on a thumb keyboard? |
| 22:31.19 | a1mega | It almost looks like u have to have midget fingers to use N900 kybrd too. :) |
| 22:31.30 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, I've used both. |
| 22:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, have you used the N900 keyboard? :) |
| 22:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, the 3-row keyboard keeps your fingers closer to the touchscreen. |
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| 22:32.10 | a1mega | No... At 500 vs $220 8 dare not touch it! |
| 22:32.34 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, judging a keyboard based on photos usually isn't very productive. |
| 22:33.03 | etrunko | VDVsx: nop |
| 22:33.04 | a1mega | I really think touchscreens need to improve so as not to smudge. |
| 22:33.05 | javispedro | I hope the N97's one is classified as "the worst ever made". I tried it briefly today |
| 22:33.06 | afbn900 | generalantilles did your n900 come with video out cable |
| 22:33.16 | etrunko | i've tested on a pristine system |
| 22:34.00 | lcuk | a1mega, a dark theme does not show the smears so much |
| 22:34.07 | a1mega | I always use stylus 'cause I hate fingerprint smudges on my kybrd. |
| 22:34.09 | lcuk | the brighter the screen, the more you notice |
| 22:34.29 | Macer | anybody knwo a good law # ? |
| 22:34.31 | VDVsx | etrunko, some are related to the app manager,e.g. if I install a game that has a -data dependency by the command line and then remove it, the app manager doesn't remove the -data, if I install everything using the app manager, works fine |
| 22:34.41 | VDVsx | a bit weird |
| 22:34.45 | javispedro | that sucks. |
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| 22:35.07 | javispedro | sighs at the "chicken-like" algorithms |
| 22:35.15 | javispedro | but then, H-A-M is OSS... so... |
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| 22:36.34 | a1mega | Well..hopefully one day there will be a Nokia N820 with N900 guts, no phone and same sized kybrd with N910's tactile enhancements. |
| 22:36.50 | lcuk | will the ovi store be available for n810 or Mer? |
| 22:37.48 | javispedro | hah. what kind of question was that? :) |
| 22:38.16 | GeneralAntilles | afbn900, it came with an EU charger |
| 22:38.19 | GeneralAntilles | afbn900, and nothing else. |
| 22:38.23 | a1mega | Lcuk: Do u plan to release anymore update to your wonderful app? |
| 22:38.57 | uhsf | just don't use the phone feature? |
| 22:39.16 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, good luck. |
| 22:39.40 | a1mega | Gen: ??? |
| 22:39.44 | javispedro | wouldn't be surprised if next maemo device is same size as n900 and has no keyboard. |
| 22:40.12 | ali1234 | afbn900: i have a video out cable |
| 22:40.15 | uhsf | i prefer a kb |
| 22:40.19 | lcuk | wants maemo on n97 |
| 22:40.28 | lcuk | mini |
| 22:40.32 | javispedro | maemo on < 800x480 ? :) |
| 22:40.55 | johnsq | wants all but no maemo |
| 22:40.59 | lcuk | mer can run on a lighter, maemo should be able to find a way to cope on real graphics |
| 22:41.14 | javispedro | at least you have better chances than me trying to run maemo on palm m130. that uclinux port looks promiiising :D |
| 22:41.18 | a1mega | I guess its not fair to compare the 810 to the 900 because on is a full blown phone... Which I'm trying to get away from. |
| 22:41.24 | lcuk | the dpi is such now that we are writing apps with big fonts, just scale and reduce at the x11 end |
| 22:41.29 | etrunko | VDVsx: thing is.. i have a lightmediascanner package on extras, but on this version i changed the packaging scheme for it, already uploaded to extras-devel. |
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| 22:41.37 | lcuk | it would actually run better too |
| 22:41.41 | lcuk | cos theres less rendering |
| 22:41.54 | ali1234 | lcuk: indeed. in theory you should just be able to change the xserver dpi and have everything automatically adjust |
| 22:42.02 | ali1234 | that's assuming the apps are written properly |
| 22:42.03 | etrunko | VDVsx: in this new scheme i've added conflicts/replaces to the new lms packages telling that they conflict with older versions |
| 22:42.08 | lcuk | so the apps still think theres 800*480 tho |
| 22:42.09 | javispedro | nope. on n900 xorg's dpi is 96. |
| 22:42.19 | etrunko | VDVsx: in this case app manager refuses to upgrade canola to the new version |
| 22:42.22 | a1mega | I hate phone contracts and big telco companies. |
| 22:42.23 | javispedro | i think gtk themes are hacked to use bigger pt fonts. |
| 22:42.29 | etrunko | VDVsx: it says the packages conflict |
| 22:42.31 | lcuk | javispedro, it should be possible tho, you see what i mean |
| 22:42.39 | javispedro | but really. everything would look poor. |
| 22:42.42 | etrunko | VDVsx: which is true, but it doesn't take into account the replaces field |
| 22:42.50 | lcuk | javispedro, it would run tho |
| 22:42.54 | etrunko | VDVsx: got it? |
| 22:42.59 | ali1234 | javispedro: it "should" be possible in that it would be possible if coders weren't lazy |
| 22:43.10 | VDVsx | etrunko, yup, and did you try only with the replace field ? |
| 22:43.13 | a1mega | Now if WiMax would just get moving! :) |
| 22:43.15 | VDVsx | *tried |
| 22:43.33 | etrunko | VDVsx: not really. |
| 22:43.36 | javispedro | ali1234: i've been arguing for ages with a web designer for that. true resolution independency is a hard issue. |
| 22:43.48 | ali1234 | it's hard on the web, sure |
| 22:43.52 | javispedro | before you point to any gtk app as sample wait and try them in a 800x480 screen. |
| 22:43.56 | afbn900 | what cable do you need for video out on n900 |
| 22:43.58 | ali1234 | it's not hard on the desktop |
| 22:44.02 | lcuk | its not hard to just keep the app think its working at 800*480 |
| 22:44.06 | lcuk | and do the scaling |
| 22:44.13 | ali1234 | afbn900: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cable-3-5mm-Composite-Colour-Display/dp/B000ICMEQI <- one like this |
| 22:44.23 | lcuk | if we are designing big fingerable ui the glyphs should just shrink etc |
| 22:44.25 | pupnik_ | afbn900: comes in N900 box |
| 22:44.34 | ali1234 | afbn900: at least that has the same connectors, no guarantee they're wired the same |
| 22:45.11 | afbn900 | pupnik not if you already hacve n900 but no box just a bag |
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| 22:45.24 | javispedro | aha, you stole it! |
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| 22:46.51 | afbn900 | i didn't even know they made a 3.5 mm to composite cable lol |
| 22:47.04 | ali1234 | yeah my 10 year old camcorder has one :) |
| 22:47.21 | ali1234 | i think they're pretty standard so at worst you'll just have to swap around the phono connectors |
| 22:47.49 | ali1234 | they have to be like that to retain compatibility with headphones i think |
| 22:47.54 | afbn900 | well i knew about 2 wire ones but not 3 |
| 22:48.04 | pupnik_ | you knew 3 |
| 22:48.07 | pupnik_ | stereo |
| 22:48.29 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 22:48.38 | afbn900 | i have one how that i think about it |
| 22:49.07 | afbn900 | mine mite be audio only going to pull rthem out |
| 22:50.35 | a1mega | N900 kybrd spacebar off to the right? What were they smokin? |
| 22:50.45 | afbn900 | yep mine are 2 wire audio only i guess |
| 22:51.06 | javispedro | I don't what I prefer. TMO filled with N900 WHERE? WHAT? WHEN? threads or TMO filled with stupid threads. |
| 22:51.06 | afbn900 | a1mega i like it there now |
| 22:51.13 | Mousey | a1mega: ditto |
| 22:51.24 | a1mega | What gives??? |
| 22:51.31 | Mousey | the right man is holdin' me down |
| 22:51.34 | achipa | if building 2m30s on a local machine translates to 2h40m on the autobuilder, how much does a local 6m23s build take on the autobuilder ? Uh oh... |
| 22:51.36 | Mousey | down with righty! |
| 22:52.11 | a1mega | What other device uses this configuration? |
| 22:52.30 | a1mega | Or was it a 'revelation'? |
| 22:52.33 | Mousey | most notebook computers nowadays offset their glidepads (blech) to the right as well |
| 22:52.46 | Mousey | s/right/left/ |
| 22:52.47 | achipa | the space is not as irritating as it may seem at first glance |
| 22:52.55 | Mousey | achipa: are you left handed? |
| 22:53.05 | achipa | Mousey: no |
| 22:53.18 | Mousey | then where it is is probably natural for yo |
| 22:53.19 | Mousey | u |
| 22:53.25 | ali1234 | the space bar is really the least annoying thing about n900 keyboard |
| 22:53.34 | ali1234 | try typing an ip address on it |
| 22:53.35 | a1mega | To bad for lefties like Obama. ;) |
| 22:53.41 | afbn900 | trust me once you get n900 in hand you will like space key |
| 22:53.43 | achipa | ali1234: exactly |
| 22:54.02 | achipa | the non-combination of dots and numbers is BAD |
| 22:54.04 | ali1234 | especially one with lots of 1s in it |
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| 22:54.13 | Lupu | I'm left handed and I have no problems with it. |
| 22:54.30 | Mousey | afbn900: you're left handed? |
| 22:54.33 | achipa | I also want to see how Nokia devs press ctrl+shift+x |
| 22:54.44 | achipa | It's nothing short of finger-gymnastics |
| 22:54.47 | ali1234 | what does ctrl-shift-x do? |
| 22:54.56 | achipa | ali1234: opens terminal |
| 22:55.07 | ali1234 | cool, gotta remember that one |
| 22:55.09 | afbn900 | im both but on a keyboard this small doesnt matter |
| 22:55.26 | Mousey | nobody's both. i can't believe the keyboard is smaller |
| 22:55.32 | achipa | also, ssh is tricky |
| 22:55.33 | javispedro | why do you need to hit the space bar with your "preferent" hand again? |
| 22:55.36 | Mousey | who thought less keys is a good idea? |
| 22:55.49 | Mousey | javispedro: i donno. my is my mouse on the left? |
| 22:55.49 | Lupu | ali1234: I'm having enough trouble getting just Sym! |
| 22:55.54 | achipa | try using ~. to close a connection - quite an exercise :) |
| 22:55.59 | javispedro | is your spacebar on the left? |
| 22:56.07 | Mousey | it's in the middle |
| 22:56.10 | afbn900 | mousey some things i do with right some left some i do with both i am just a little better right handed |
| 22:56.21 | javispedro | well. I'm right handhed and I always hit it with the left hand. |
| 22:56.28 | javispedro | mostly because my right hand is near the mouse... |
| 22:56.35 | ali1234 | you could always prise off the keys and remap it like you want :) |
| 22:56.42 | Mousey | i type one handed left handed |
| 22:56.45 | Mousey | that's not gonna be easier |
| 22:56.59 | a1mega | TheN810 Internet Tablet....the N900 is a cell phone with a keyboard. |
| 22:57.17 | afbn900 | hardest thing is typing while charging |
| 22:57.18 | achipa | okay, one builder reserved till 6AM :) |
| 22:57.19 | javispedro | i can't type onehanded in the n810. it's awful |
| 22:57.28 | Mousey | i'm -trying- to wait to try the n900, but so far i don't know how i'm gonna but end up getting another n810 |
| 22:57.42 | Mousey | if i can find one |
| 22:57.43 | Mousey | =( |
| 22:58.27 | achipa | actually, it's odd - I type faster on the N810 keyboard, but it's a lot more strain than the N900 |
| 22:58.32 | pupnik_ | amzed how well N900 keyboard works |
| 22:58.55 | pupnik_ | thumbs have to move too far on n810 |
| 22:59.10 | pupnik_ | 900 will be faster top speed typing |
| 22:59.15 | pupnik_ | for me |
| 22:59.23 | Mousey | We'll See(tm) |
| 22:59.45 | Jaffa | Hmm. Anyone know why a gtk.TreeView I've created isn't getting "sticky" selection rows? (i.e. I want to tap on a row, it highlights and the user clicks a button in the dialogue to dismiss it) |
| 23:00.06 | achipa | the thing is the N810 kdb is smoother to the touch, it's easier to slide fingers on it |
| 23:00.15 | achipa | almost like an unresponsite touchscreen |
| 23:00.26 | GeneralAntilles | bangs head on desk at remote tech support. |
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| 23:00.35 | achipa | (also flatter than the N900) |
| 23:00.53 | achipa | which is good for speed, but bad for tactile response/feeling |
| 23:01.32 | radic__ | hmm |
| 23:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, then don't get a contract. |
| 23:02.00 | radic|alc | I trunk to less... |
| 23:02.16 | a1mega | I see. |
| 23:02.34 | radic|alc | hehe a1mega |
| 23:02.45 | radic|alc | I can type correctly |
| 23:02.50 | a1mega | I'd then pay $600 for the 900 and use wifi? |
| 23:03.13 | a1mega | He he he. :) |
| 23:03.19 | Mousey | yah, that's another argument for me to just get another n810.. way cheaper |
| 23:03.19 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambidexterity |
| 23:03.30 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, why do you need a contract for a SIM? |
| 23:03.40 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, the N810 started out at $479 |
| 23:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | N900 is available for around $550 street. |
| 23:04.03 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, you can get a pay as you go plan. |
| 23:04.19 | Mousey | GeneralAntilles: "extremely rare" |
| 23:04.21 | Mousey | indeed |
| 23:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, you said "nobody". |
| 23:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | The world aint that black'n'white. |
| 23:04.39 | a1mega | Gen....I just hate the big Telcos.....yuck! |
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| 23:04.48 | Mousey | yah, i just want an internet tablet |
| 23:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, not sure what that has to do with the N900. |
| 23:04.54 | achipa | Mousey: "can be learned" |
| 23:04.55 | Mousey | it's a phone |
| 23:04.59 | javispedro | Cross-dominance is more common. |
| 23:05.00 | achipa | I'm that group too |
| 23:05.05 | GeneralAntilles | This is the device that will break the telco domination. |
| 23:05.12 | Mousey | everybody's ambidexterous to some degree then |
| 23:05.15 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm so cross-dominated it's not even silly. |
| 23:05.20 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, worst handwriting ever. |
| 23:05.36 | a1mega | Gen: How so? |
| 23:05.38 | zash | GeneralAntilles: so that they finaly stfu and become isp's? |
| 23:05.48 | GeneralAntilles | zash, LTE. |
| 23:05.54 | Mousey | s/LTE/WiMAX |
| 23:06.01 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, it's the first real open source phone. |
| 23:06.08 | javispedro | they still look wrong at me when I grab a fork. |
| 23:06.12 | GeneralAntilles | Mousey, WiMAX tried and failed. |
| 23:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | US carriers actually have roadmaps for LTE rollouts. |
| 23:06.22 | Mousey | it's an open standard, and clearwire's doing quite well |
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| 23:06.33 | Mousey | only the CARRIERS tho, not the community |
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| 23:06.54 | Mousey | they'll be forced to support WiMAX if there's enough market pressure for an open standard |
| 23:07.06 | Suurorca | i just hope that there will be just one frg range... |
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| 23:07.11 | a1mega | Gen: But without an iphone-like store with tons of apps, how will it succed? |
| 23:07.16 | javispedro | bought N810 WiMax edition? |
| 23:07.31 | achipa | a1mega: It will succeed in a different way |
| 23:07.36 | Mousey | lost his n810, is still quite sad |
| 23:07.38 | javispedro | a1mega: the iPhone succeds due to its store? doubtful. |
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| 23:07.58 | Mousey | javispedro: well it's certainly not for its technical superiority (blech) |
| 23:08.04 | a1mega | Achipa: just 4 techies like us? |
| 23:08.06 | zash | didn't the iphone sell quite well before the appstore too? |
| 23:08.10 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, erm, did the iPhone start out with 1000s of apps? |
| 23:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | zash, indeed. |
| 23:08.31 | javispedro | not only that. but the PalmOS _DIED_ all while having more apps than the iPhone. |
| 23:08.38 | achipa | a1mega: no, in terms it's a different business model |
| 23:08.40 | Suurorca | maybe if nokia trade-marked the half-eaten banana... |
| 23:08.43 | zash | also, "first real open source phone" .. ahem, openmoko? |
| 23:08.47 | Mousey | the iPhone had the apple logo |
| 23:09.04 | Mousey | and therefore an immediate following. plus the iPod to boot |
| 23:09.09 | a1mega | Gen: No....but people loved the footprint an interface and....... Stevie Jobs |
| 23:09.16 | achipa | zash: openmoko never really shipped, sadly |
| 23:09.24 | javispedro | all hail the stewie jobs! |
| 23:09.25 | Mousey | sure it did, you can buy a Neo Freewave |
| 23:09.42 | GeneralAntilles | zash, REAL |
| 23:09.43 | achipa | Mousey: that's not a phone, that's a hardware SDK :) |
| 23:09.46 | Mousey | OpenMoko devs have abandoned it tho.. (for Palm WebOS)(which i try not to talk about) |
| 23:09.48 | GeneralAntilles | zash, OpenMoko is a JOKE |
| 23:10.08 | GeneralAntilles | Their efforts are laudable |
| 23:10.22 | GeneralAntilles | but the project was killed by way outdated hardware and rank mismanagement. |
| 23:10.27 | javispedro | moving to webos? lol |
| 23:10.30 | Suurorca | neither did it's phone app really work. most ppl i know that have a freerunner just used it with debian... |
| 23:10.32 | a1mega | People crawl over broken glass for a darn iphone/itouch....sheesh! |
| 23:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia actually has a chance of bringing an open source device to the mainstream. |
| 23:10.43 | Mousey | another one |
| 23:11.17 | SpeedEvil | The project was not killed by the hardware. |
| 23:11.49 | SpeedEvil | In 2007, there was working - though slow hardware - that can get a few days battery life and a very good screen, and admittedly annoying GPRS. |
| 23:11.55 | achipa | Funny that, it seems like a fun story. I mean, here in Europe the iPhone is just another phone. Shiny, fancy phone, but still a phone like any other. Nowhere near the Pathos it gets in the US. |
| 23:11.57 | SpeedEvil | It was killed by lack of software. |
| 23:11.59 | Suurorca | please don't mix the OS and the crappy china hardware =) |
| 23:12.07 | zash | SpeedEvil: don't i remember you from #openmkoko? |
| 23:12.12 | javispedro | achipa: then I must live in the 51st state. |
| 23:12.17 | SpeedEvil | zash: Possibly. |
| 23:12.24 | a1mega | People don't care about open source, they just want something like the darn phone....thin with a neat simpl GUI |
| 23:13.00 | Suurorca | the famed "steå 5" users won't, that's for sure |
| 23:13.02 | a1mega | [I can't spell worth a darn!] |
| 23:13.10 | Mousey | which is why it's a mistake to think maemo will every appeal to the masses |
| 23:13.25 | Mousey | it's too awesome, does way too much, and is far more than a Phone OS |
| 23:13.26 | Suurorca | a1mega: me neither ;p |
| 23:13.37 | a1mega | Mousey: Correcto mundo! Bing! |
| 23:13.40 | javispedro | what appeals to the masses is a damn unknown. |
| 23:13.50 | Mousey | the masses are easy creatures |
| 23:14.20 | ali1234 | don't underestimate what can be achieved with qt/maemo 6 |
| 23:14.21 | GeneralAntilles | Man it is freaking impossible to get Windows to take a keyboard layout change. |
| 23:14.29 | a1mega | Javis: Wrong......iphone appeals to the masses....waje up! |
| 23:14.47 | Mousey | ali1234: what you mean is don't understimate what CANNOT be achieved |
| 23:14.49 | javispedro | a1mega: ok, what the next that will appeal to the masses. |
| 23:15.02 | GeneralAntilles | watches logic and reason fly out the window. |
| 23:15.03 | Mousey | ali1234: it's a WONDERFUL tablet OS |
| 23:15.05 | Mousey | but a phone? |
| 23:15.09 | a1mega | People are freakin' gaga over the dard Jobs phone. |
| 23:15.11 | Mousey | that's aiming way too low |
| 23:15.23 | ali1234 | Mousey: tablets REALLY don't appeal to the masses |
| 23:15.35 | Mousey | ali1234: that's fine, but that's kinda my point |
| 23:15.37 | a1mega | Javis: Iphone II |
| 23:15.37 | ali1234 | aiming to make a tablet is aiming about as low as it is possible to aim |
| 23:15.40 | a1mega | :) |
| 23:15.54 | ali1234 | any lower and you're shooting youself in the foot |
| 23:16.03 | Mousey | ugh. i just wish there was a steno-pad sized tablet running maemo |
| 23:16.04 | a1mega | People don't want a darn tablet. |
| 23:16.06 | Mousey | that would really make the OS shine |
| 23:16.13 | Mousey | many people do |
| 23:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | shakes his head. |
| 23:16.15 | Mousey | just not the masses |
| 23:16.16 | javispedro | we don't want darn people. |
| 23:16.19 | Mousey | clearly |
| 23:16.33 | ali1234 | nobody wants a device without a phone in it |
| 23:16.35 | Mousey | but the OS is BEGGING to be on bigger, awesomer, geekier hardware |
| 23:16.42 | Mousey | i have a phone |
| 23:16.47 | Mousey | i NEED a tablet |
| 23:17.01 | Mousey | the n810 is the most perfect tablet i've ever used |
| 23:17.01 | ali1234 | everyone has a phone |
| 23:17.04 | a1mega | Shoot...I think I'm talkin' myself into an Iphone....ha ha ha! |
| 23:17.12 | Mousey | a1mega: avoid it at all costs |
| 23:17.14 | ali1234 | when you try to sell them a tablet, they say "why would i want to carry two devices?" |
| 23:17.21 | Mousey | ali1234: that's the masses for ya |
| 23:17.29 | ali1234 | no, that's people like me |
| 23:17.31 | javispedro | and we don't care about them. |
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| 23:17.42 | Mousey | all i'm saying is Maemo is a absoultely wonderful distro |
| 23:17.57 | Mousey | i can't wait til the hardware compares |
| 23:18.38 | a1mega | Mousey: u right. I luv my 800's multitasking ability....just not enough apps to multitask. :) |
| 23:18.57 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 23:18.58 | Mousey | a1mega: there are 10s of 1000s of apps for Maemo |
| 23:18.59 | uhsf | when the hardware compares, i will run full blown arch linux and forget about maemo. |
| 23:19.07 | ali1234 | not enough apps because there's virtually nothing a tablet is good for |
| 23:19.16 | Mousey | that -you- can think of |
| 23:19.28 | ali1234 | if you want to seriously get anything done you need a smartbook at the very least |
| 23:19.31 | javispedro | uhsf: the hardware is already enough. screen size is not, and will never be. |
| 23:19.35 | Mousey | i disagree |
| 23:19.41 | a1mega | But I cant find one darn twitter app that allows replies. Shees! |
| 23:19.47 | Mousey | with just the n810 i can manage 100 machines without having to get up from the sofa |
| 23:19.58 | Mousey | and i can do it faster with an n810 than i can with a whole notebook or even netbook |
| 23:20.06 | Mousey | the n810 is the perfect system administration tool |
| 23:20.08 | ali1234 | so what? i can do that on n900 too, and it fits in my pocket for when i do want to get up from the sofa |
| 23:20.16 | Mousey | like the n810 |
| 23:20.18 | Mousey | only less keys |
| 23:20.19 | a1mega | Mousey...u gotta be a techy. :) |
| 23:20.24 | GeneralAntilles | a1mega, Mauku |
| 23:20.25 | ali1234 | no, the n810 is way to big to fit in my pockets |
| 23:20.41 | Mousey | the n810 is very very techy |
| 23:20.48 | Mousey | and maemo fits is very very well |
| 23:20.55 | Mousey | trying to make it appeal to less is a mistake. |
| 23:21.01 | uhsf | maemo.org/ is so slow. |
| 23:21.03 | a1mega | Gen: I use it and can't find 'reply'....:( |
| 23:21.19 | GeneralAntilles | uhsf, massive server overload. |
| 23:21.24 | ali1234 | Mousey: see, the problem with the n810 is i can't use it outside my house |
| 23:21.25 | Mousey | i wish i could install maemo on a kindle |
| 23:21.27 | Mousey | that would be epic |
| 23:21.29 | GeneralAntilles | Should be getting upgrades next month-ish. |
| 23:21.30 | javispedro | sigh. another slashdot article? |
| 23:21.40 | Mousey | ali1234: you should tether, like everyone else |
| 23:22.07 | a1mega | I would be afraid to recommend n810 non-techy friends. |
| 23:22.08 | ali1234 | Mousey: no, that's stupid, because my phone already has a keyboard that's better than the n810 one. so why would i want to carry around that huge thing? |
| 23:22.29 | Mousey | because your phone doesn't have 800x480 and a kick ass suite of utilities |
| 23:22.33 | Mousey | and flash |
| 23:22.34 | a1mega | Ali: easy |
| 23:22.48 | a1mega | :) |
| 23:23.01 | Mousey | a1mega: i never did.. but the techy friends i've recommended it to all bought one, and love it |
| 23:23.02 | ali1234 | Mousey: actually it does, because it is a n900 |
| 23:23.04 | javispedro | so, why don't you carry an small phone then? |
| 23:23.17 | a1mega | Mousey: agree |
| 23:23.17 | javispedro | one that doesn't make you look ridiculous while trying to place a call? |
| 23:23.29 | achipa | uhsf: around this time it's the combined load of full NA + Eu |
| 23:23.39 | Jaffa | Damn. Putting a TreeView inside a PannableArea breaks selection. |
| 23:23.43 | Mousey | i have a pre for that.. it's a nice linux box, but a fraction of the usefulness of my n810 |
| 23:23.49 | javispedro | Jaffa: edit mode |
| 23:24.02 | a1mega | Javis: u r hurting my feelings. :) |
| 23:24.29 | javispedro | Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/Using_Fremantle_Widgets#Normal_Vs._Edit_Mode |
| 23:24.42 | Macer | ugh |
| 23:24.44 | Macer | i can't figure it out |
| 23:24.54 | Macer | anybody here know how arbitration work in teh US? |
| 23:25.19 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ta. Oddly the mode only comes into play when I've added it to a HildonPannableArea, not when it's directly added to a GtkDialog |
| 23:25.24 | Macer | i am trying to find out if medical documents are allowed if the employee did not give a company consent to divulge medical testing to anybody else other than the company |
| 23:25.34 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ah, it says that above |
| 23:25.56 | GeneralAntilles | 's mother was resetting the switch instead of the router. . . . |
| 23:26.25 | javispedro | Jaffa: yep. I suggest you just do it "the maemo weird way" and use hildon_*_new() constructors and pannable areas always, else everything is "here be dragons". |
| 23:26.40 | a1mega | Well, I'm going out to fly my Zagi glider...u guys/gals have a wonderful weekend! :) (Hmm...wonder if I can use the N810 as the transmitter?) :) |
| 23:27.15 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'm using Python, but was trying to reconstruct what exactly was different between my app and a normal TreeView example |
| 23:27.18 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ta for that pointer |
| 23:27.25 | javispedro | well, good luck :) |
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| 23:31.22 | javispedro | autobuilder and garage share hardware? |
| 23:31.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yes :( |
| 23:32.00 | javispedro | so if it's under attack I better not send openttd gfx packages ... :P |
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| 23:39.42 | javispedro | what will happen when someone gets an N900, clicks on the Ovi Store icon, selects his phone model only to find most of the apps disappear in a nice web 2.0 javascripty animation? |
| 23:40.05 | uhsf | anyone using synergy on the n900? is there a synergy package somewhere? |
| 23:40.52 | pupnik_ | check garage uhsf |
| 23:41.00 | pupnik_ | might need a rebuild |
| 23:42.14 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.35 | javispedro | that I still find people not realizing their 30 or so N-Gage games won't work in the N900. |
| 23:44.23 | lcuk | n-gage is shutting down nxt year |
| 23:44.25 | lcuk | isnt it |
| 23:44.38 | javispedro | yep, just saw that on /. |
| 23:44.40 | lcuk | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/10/30/2040230 |
| 23:44.44 | lcuk | for context lol |
| 23:45.33 | achipa | I'm wondering what's the easiest/official way of checking firmware version from python... |
| 23:45.53 | javispedro | why would you need to do that? |
| 23:46.10 | javispedro | just curious. |
| 23:46.23 | achipa | javispedro: need to do camera workarounds depending on fw version |
| 23:46.43 | javispedro | ah well. |
| 23:46.52 | achipa | javispedro: black band issue, etc etc |
| 23:46.53 | javispedro | since the device is not released I guess you can hope people'll upgrade. |
| 23:47.34 | achipa | javispedro: yeah, but the problem is that an app won't get to extras unless it works for testers... and they use old firmware :) |
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| 23:49.46 | lcuk | do n810 testers ticks get counted in promotion |
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| 23:53.20 | GeneralAntilles | achipa, I wouldn't bother compensating for pre-release firmware. |
| 23:54.45 | achipa | GeneralAntilles: it's just a single parameter, not even a line, so I thought is there is an easy way to do it... |
| 23:55.29 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.46 | javispedro | so, any app in fremantle uses ctrl+return for fullscreen? |
| 23:56.05 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, lots? |
| 23:56.13 | javispedro | ah, so it's standard :P |
| 23:56.14 | javispedro | ta! |
| 23:57.36 | achipa | GeneralAntilles: er... My N900 doesn't have that. Ooops ? |
| 23:57.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, could be deprecated. |
| 23:58.21 | achipa | grepped /etc/ for 41.10 to no avail |
| 23:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | Where's qwerty12 when you need him? |
| 23:58.39 | achipa | partying :) |
| 23:59.05 | javispedro | it's /etc/osso_software_version here |
| 23:59.31 | Jaffa | javispedro: RST38h's emulators do |
| 23:59.56 | VDVsx | javispedro, its in the system basically (ctrl+ret), probably you can remap it, but by default should work in any app |
