| 00:00.48 | lardman | hmm, that's odd, despite adding DEB_DH_INSTALL_SOURCEDIR := debian/tmp to debian/rules, I still get this: dh_install: libethos-1.0-0 missing files (debian/tmp/usr/lib/libethos-1.0.so.*), aborting |
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| 00:12.25 | lardman | if anyone's bored and would like to work out why ethos fails to package, the files are here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp |
| 00:13.15 | lardman | yay librest built ok for Fremantle |
| 00:13.38 | lardman | bed time, night all |
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| 00:16.03 | wazd | http://s58.radikal.ru/i159/0910/b8/e601381be430.png <- raid logo concept :) |
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| 00:27.59 | SpeedEvil | wazd: I'm not getting the herring. |
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| 00:32.48 | wazd | well |
| 00:33.15 | wazd | tux that's made up from 3 sources :) |
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| 00:58.04 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, ping? |
| 00:58.42 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yo. |
| 00:58.49 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, you want a cloak? |
| 00:58.58 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Sure. |
| 00:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | "Sure." |
| 00:59.30 | GeneralAntilles | Get out of here. :P |
| 00:59.54 | SpeedEvil | I think you have to cower at his feet or something. Maybe feed him herring. |
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| 01:03.35 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, Ed uses ed_ here afair |
| 01:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, yeah, I seem to recall that too. |
| 01:04.24 | GeneralAntilles | keeps forgetting maemo-community does reply-to munging. |
| 01:04.49 | GeneralAntilles | Both are registered with NickServ |
| 01:05.06 | GeneralAntilles | Neither is obviously the one we're after (at least to my powers of detection). |
| 01:06.11 | GeneralAntilles | yerga, ping? |
| 01:07.19 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: My host is changing quite dramatically in about two or three days. |
| 01:07.22 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, true, I got strange names for ed__ and ed_ |
| 01:08.26 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Is the cloak done by host or by username? |
| 01:08.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's by your account with nickserv. |
| 01:09.04 | GeneralAntilles | So, username. |
| 01:09.07 | fiferboy | Cool |
| 01:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | It's set when you identify with nickserv. |
| 01:09.40 | fiferboy | Gotcha |
| 01:09.51 | fiferboy | I can see yours :) |
| 01:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | is BMF. |
| 01:12.31 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Do I gotta reconnect for it to take effect? |
| 01:12.51 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, no, you gotta wait for me to give the list to X-Fade for him to give to a Freenode staffer. :P |
| 01:13.15 | zerojay | Viva la Freenode. |
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| 01:31.28 | fureddo | I have an application that work on both Diablo and Fremantle. On Fremantle, I have been told to optify the application. Do I also need to optify it for Diablo as well? That would be convenient as it is the same code. |
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| 01:36.33 | GAN900 | fureddo, no. |
| 01:36.37 | GAN900 | But you can. |
| 01:36.54 | GAN900 | It just doens't do anything useful. |
| 01:37.27 | fureddo | So it's not really recommended. |
| 01:37.43 | fureddo | Is the /opt partition garanteed to be there for devices using Diablo? |
| 01:37.46 | GAN900 | Hopefully it'll be handled autobuilder side soon so you can ship the same stuff for both. |
| 01:37.58 | GAN900 | No, there's no partition. |
| 01:38.09 | GAN900 | But the folder will be there. |
| 01:38.56 | fureddo | If I undersand correctly, there is just one partition? |
| 01:39.39 | GAN900 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.49 | fureddo | Ok. |
| 01:40.12 | Macer | so |
| 01:40.34 | Macer | any news on an official release date? |
| 01:40.38 | fureddo | Just to give me an idea... On a "typical" Diablo device, how much memory is available for applications? |
| 01:40.51 | GAN900 | Macer, November. |
| 01:41.02 | GAN900 | About 120MB |
| 01:41.13 | fureddo | Ok. Thanks. |
| 01:41.42 | Macer | november what? ;) |
| 01:41.51 | Macer | thats a pretty big month |
| 01:42.07 | Macer | tmob going to offer it right out the gate? |
| 01:42.36 | Macer | saw the browser vids.. looked pretty good |
| 01:42.42 | SpeedEvil | GAN900: have you ever had it swap usefully? |
| 01:43.02 | Macer | someone needs to make a 1280x1024 3.5" mobile screen |
| 01:43.05 | Macer | :) |
| 01:43.32 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, it runs about 100MB usually. |
| 01:43.37 | Macer | or maybe |
| 01:43.45 | Macer | something a little more wide |
| 01:44.36 | GAN900 | Er, yeah, 5:4 is incredibly stupid for a landscape mobile device. |
| 01:44.37 | SpeedEvil | I want a pocket-sized 35" screen. |
| 01:44.58 | GAN900 | You want 1024x600 @ 3.7" |
| 01:45.10 | GAN900 | Which is just borderline usable. |
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| 01:46.37 | Macer | ugh |
| 01:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, it uses swap a lot better than Diablo devices. |
| 01:47.01 | Macer | i have to seriously get ntpd going on my web server |
| 01:47.15 | Macer | GAN900: heh |
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| 01:47.33 | Macer | would be nice to quit side scrolling pages |
| 01:47.43 | SpeedEvil | or just use pool.ntp.com |
| 01:48.04 | Macer | SpeedEvil: er. that requires getting ntpd going |
| 01:48.21 | SpeedEvil | Macer: oh - I thought you meant as a server |
| 01:48.27 | SpeedEvil | anyway - ntpd is thankfully easy |
| 01:48.28 | Macer | i could ntpdate the box.. but in vbox the emulated rtc acts strange |
| 01:48.34 | Macer | yeah |
| 01:48.47 | Macer | it does its job :) |
| 01:49.18 | Macer | rtc in my fbsd vbox seems to only work when not sleeping on the opensolaris host |
| 01:49.27 | Macer | so it loses quite a bit of time |
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| 01:57.01 | *** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome Stskeeps, our new distmaster for maemo.org! http://tinyurl.com/yzwxvoq | http://maemo.org | http://maemo.nokia.com | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Extras-testing Marathon (Oct 31) - http://tinyurl.com/yg3z4ce |
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| 02:05.10 | qole | puts on his cloak and admires himself in the mirror. |
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| 02:05.47 | qole | Does this cloak make me look fat? |
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| 02:13.52 | fiferboy | qole: Nice cloak |
| 02:13.57 | fiferboy | You look like a wizard |
| 02:14.12 | GeneralAntilles | qole, yes, fatty. |
| 02:14.25 | fureddo | GAN900, You mentioned that there is no way, at the moment, for autobuilder to handle optification automatically. Is there a "manual" way? I mean, is it possible to tell the autobuilder to compile this chunk of code for Diablo or that chunk of code for Fremantle (maybe using C++ preprocessor directives or something like that)? |
| 02:25.37 | johnx | allo all |
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| 02:26.06 | wazd | johnx: heya |
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| 02:26.29 | johnx | wazd, hey. how's the weather? |
| 02:32.13 | wazd | johnx: OM or street? :D |
| 02:32.30 | johnx | outside :P |
| 02:32.59 | wazd | johnx: worst possible) |
| 02:33.14 | wazd | johnx: very light rain and cold wind |
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| 02:33.31 | johnx | worst possible? that's pretty optimistic :P |
| 02:33.59 | wazd | I hate autumn :) |
| 02:34.22 | wazd | And looks like we'll have 9 months of autumn and 3 of summer :D |
| 02:34.38 | wazd | johnx: http://i014.radikal.ru/0910/92/7592ec945212.png <- what do you think bout FM UI? |
| 02:35.15 | wazd | damn, I should definitely replace "maximum" with some other name |
| 02:35.16 | johnx | I very much dig it :) |
| 02:35.29 | |R | me too |
| 02:36.03 | wazd | simplified it as much as possible) |
| 02:39.40 | johnx | are the dots for stations it knows exist? or bookmarks? |
| 02:43.33 | wazd | johnx: emm, that's a good question :D |
| 02:44.01 | wazd | johnx: maybe better do em as "known" |
| 02:44.25 | wazd | and to jump to the bookmark - press the title |
| 02:45.02 | wazd | Title also works as RDS display (dunno if RDS is available on n900) |
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| 02:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Where did Nokia get its FM station info in Diablo? |
| 02:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | We need to get that info. |
| 02:47.10 | wazd | johnx: and how are you btw? |
| 02:47.28 | wazd | johnx: looks like you're in japan again? :) |
| 02:47.32 | wazd | looks at the time |
| 02:47.37 | johnx | nope |
| 02:47.41 | johnx | just back from work |
| 02:47.57 | wazd | johnx: damn, world is huge :) |
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| 02:49.32 | johnx | doing pretty well really. work is kind of exciting because they expect me to be a sys admin and a help desk |
| 02:49.47 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://www.localfm.info/ ? |
| 02:50.25 | johnx | so they expect me to answer peoples' tickets right away and also give them sane projections about when the new LDAP/mail server will be in place |
| 02:51.20 | wazd | We can even integrate this site with an app |
| 02:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, man, this is missing so many stations. |
| 02:51.41 | wazd | so user can add station right from his device |
| 02:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, sounds exciting. |
| 02:51.50 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: Moscow is fine :) |
| 02:52.05 | GeneralAntilles | Answering people's tickets right away is never productive in the long run, though. ;) |
| 02:53.14 | johnx | well. my version of right away is "when I think you need it" multiplied by "how much I like you" :D |
| 02:53.58 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: http://www.fmlist.org |
| 02:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, answering immediately just makes 'em dependent. ;) |
| 02:55.20 | johnx | I get a pretty good ratio of people who later reply to their own ticket to tell me they figured it out :) |
| 02:55.31 | wazd | not sure if it is the right site |
| 02:55.35 | johnx | I once got a mail from someone with the line "I can't send mail" |
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| 02:56.31 | johnx | though actually most of the help tickets I end up replying to with something along the lines of "fixed in fremantle" |
| 02:57.01 | johnx | aside: I'm looking forward to regressions that happen in harmattan just so I can reply "fixed in fremantle" |
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| 03:32.13 | samad_ | hello all |
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| 03:41.07 | Analias | anyone know if there is a way to determine the current dependencies for maemo core components in git? Or do I simply try using the latest tagged version in the tree? |
| 03:44.04 | johnx | Analias, nope. no idea |
| 03:44.33 | Analias | ok, should make life interesting anyway :) |
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| 04:14.46 | sarower | Good morning all, |
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| 04:15.25 | BBNS | full pages of droid news ... |
| 04:15.33 | BBNS | droid droid droid ... |
| 04:16.24 | sarower | I have an application and it has some dependency suppose libhildonmm. I want that when my application will be installed, these library will also be installed in the system if it does not have |
| 04:16.29 | sarower | How i can do it? |
| 04:16.42 | sarower | So far as i know i have to give it to the control file |
| 04:16.55 | sarower | But do not know exactly how? |
| 04:17.06 | sarower | Any body can help me? |
| 04:17.40 | sarower | The full process] |
| 04:17.41 | BBNS | debian/control? |
| 04:18.07 | sarower | BBNS: yes! |
| 04:18.29 | BBNS | sarower, i don't remember the full process sorry |
| 04:18.41 | sarower | BBNS: but some clue |
| 04:18.49 | BBNS | sarower, i usually just downloaded other people's source and modified their control file. |
| 04:19.12 | sarower | BBNS: Ok, any link? |
| 04:19.28 | BBNS | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing |
| 04:19.34 | sarower | BBNS: And how do you do that? |
| 04:19.37 | qole | morning? I just put my kid to bed... |
| 04:19.55 | ShadowJK | it's always morning on the internet |
| 04:19.58 | BBNS | sarower, apt-get source pkgname? |
| 04:20.25 | BBNS | qole, =] and now you have to go to work without sleep? |
| 04:20.26 | sarower | BBNS: In the control file? |
| 04:20.49 | BBNS | sarower, read the link carefully. |
| 04:21.11 | sarower | BBNS: Ok, thank you |
| 04:21.12 | BBNS | wherever you want. doesn't matter. |
| 04:21.54 | qole | BBNS, no it is only 9pm here. |
| 04:22.17 | BBNS | qole, ah ... missed the questionmark |
| 04:23.18 | qole | sarower wrote "Good morning all" and I haven't even had my evening yet. |
| 04:24.07 | sarower | qole: then what i have to do! |
| 04:26.24 | qole | the world is a big place with many time zones... |
| 04:27.25 | qole | and my whisky is almost empty! |
| 04:30.14 | GAN900 | Android is all about the hype. |
| 04:31.20 | BBNS | GAN900, Nokia is pretty suck at marketing in recent years and hasn't attracted enough developers yet. |
| 04:32.24 | BBNS | and Symbian CEO's talk was disappointing ... never figured out the problem itself but called Google evil? err ... |
| 04:32.47 | BBNS | i am not a google fan though ... just be clear. |
| 04:33.15 | cleary | BBNS: got a (kind of) funny story on nokia marketing tactics |
| 04:34.02 | BBNS | cleary, i know ... it's especially frustrating you got cool people in maemo team but ... |
| 04:34.25 | cleary | we used to use a product of theirs called intellisync - they decided to drop support for it, and at least some of the core features wound up in domino (and exchange iirc) |
| 04:35.06 | cleary | how to market this: "We've moved intellisync support into your core mailserver, it's going to be cheap easy to support, and generally great. Btw, your intellisync service will be EOL in 2 months |
| 04:35.07 | cleary | " |
| 04:35.24 | cleary | How nokia Marketed it: "Your intellisync service will be EOL in 2 months" |
| 04:35.45 | BBNS | cleary, well ... you know, there are lots of great products ended up like this ... |
| 04:35.46 | cleary | :( |
| 04:36.01 | cleary | but I believe they actually did a good thing |
| 04:36.08 | cleary | just sold it terribly |
| 04:36.24 | cleary | I'm a fan of nokia products, and their direction in general |
| 04:36.36 | cleary | but jesus christ they don't help themselves sometimes |
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| 04:37.13 | BBNS | they know the problem i believed. however, there is a missing component there. |
| 04:37.25 | cleary | apologises for the rant |
| 04:38.57 | BBNS | cleary, =P healthy rant is good for body. |
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| 04:44.21 | ShadowJK | cleary, I think it's well established that Nokia Marketing people couldn't sell water to dehydrated tourists in Sahara |
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| 04:47.51 | cleary | ShadowJK: just making sure ;) |
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| 04:48.22 | ShadowJK | although encouragingly n900 banner ads seem to exist now, instead of N97 ones |
| 04:48.39 | cleary | the equivalent would be them putting in a free water cooler behind a tree and then telling the tourists to just fuck off when they ask about buying some |
| 04:49.45 | cleary | ^ that is encouraging :) |
| 04:50.15 | cleary | (what was also encouraging was how much better the n97 here is running after the v2.x firmware upgrade) |
| 04:50.24 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, there's actually some advertising budget going into the N900. |
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| 05:05.12 | Milo- | for n900, is there a way of flashing the camera light? with C-function? /proc? /sys? or with a bash-command? |
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| 05:11.11 | GeneralAntilles | Milo-, probably dbus |
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| 05:17.28 | Milo- | hmm okay, hopedfully it's controllable, I can't wait to cause seizures on public transportation devices |
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| 06:14.11 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: where do you see these ads? |
| 06:14.15 | timeless_mbp | hasn't seen them |
| 06:14.23 | timeless_mbp | maybe i'm visiting the wrong part of the internet? |
| 06:16.13 | GAN900 | YouTube somewhere |
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| 06:19.21 | johnxx | grrr...stupid powerbook keyboard light |
| 06:19.46 | johnxx | comes on at half brightness making the backlight color indistinguishable from the color of the keys |
| 06:19.53 | johnxx | fantastic engineering ... |
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| 06:23.15 | wazd | Reheya all |
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| 06:29.43 | wazd | Seriously, can somebody here clarify if I can give my n900 discount to other person? |
| 06:30.50 | RST38h | afaik you cannot |
| 06:31.16 | RST38h | but I do not think there is a way to verify that |
| 06:33.13 | wazd | Ok then, I definitely won't then ;) |
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| 06:38.21 | Flandry_ | is the maemo repository down? |
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| 06:39.08 | RST38h | maemo.org is very slow right now |
| 06:39.25 | wazd | tries not to fall asleep while walking |
| 06:40.30 | RST38h | Yooohooo, VGBA is moving to extras |
| 06:40.42 | RST38h | Other packages are not that lucky though =( |
| 06:40.46 | Flandry_ | very slow eh |
| 06:40.56 | Flandry_ | fails to resolve for me |
| 06:41.09 | Flandry_ | hmm |
| 06:41.21 | RST38h | no problems with dns here |
| 06:41.49 | johnx | RST38h, what's the framerate look like? |
| 06:41.56 | RST38h | johnx: depends |
| 06:42.12 | RST38h | johnx: 20-60fps depending on how much it needs to draw |
| 06:42.18 | johnx | huh |
| 06:42.27 | johnx | is it just a lack of CPU speed? |
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| 06:42.37 | RST38h | mostly memory bandwidth |
| 06:42.45 | johnx | planning any exotic optimizations? |
| 06:43.00 | RST38h | having to draw 4 playfields with transparency and sprites is a bitch |
| 06:43.33 | RST38h | I am through with optimizations now. Last thing I did was rewriting display driver in pure assembly. It did not make any difference. |
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| 06:44.20 | johnx | ugh |
| 06:44.27 | johnx | that's a bummer |
| 06:44.30 | RST38h | But removing any single LDR/STR (at the cost of correct picture) brings framerate up |
| 06:44.55 | johnx | I wonder how the GBA gets away with it, with so little memory bandwidth? |
| 06:45.05 | johnx | or does it have some weird trick, like SRAM for a framebuffer? |
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| 06:45.54 | t_s_o | hmm, i seem to hit a break in the net after some alter.net routers... |
| 06:45.56 | RST38h | well GBA does not have to do computations, they are all in hardware |
| 06:46.29 | RST38h | it does not have to lookup palette array and write the bitmap |
| 06:46.39 | johnx | suppose so |
| 06:46.49 | RST38h | and it has got separate high perf (by GBA standards) VRAM and OAM |
| 06:47.38 | johnx | t_s_o, internetpulse doesn't show any outages, but I'm sure it doesn't show the whole picture... |
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| 06:49.57 | t_s_o | heh, the last address on the traceroute was a pure ip, but it seems to be nokia related as google led me straight to forum.nokia.com |
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| 07:14.49 | sarower | I have an application and it has some dependency suppose libhildonmm. I want that when my application will be installed, these library will also be installed in the system if it does not have. How i can do it? So far as i know i have to give it to the control file. But do not know exactly how? Any body can help me? The full process |
| 07:15.25 | johnx | sarower, add it to the "Depends:" line of the control file |
| 07:16.00 | sarower | johnx: Nothing else? |
| 07:16.10 | sarower | johnx: Will it install these from online |
| 07:16.19 | sarower | johnx: From the repository? |
| 07:16.21 | johnx | as long as they're available from the repository |
| 07:16.47 | sarower | johnx: But for my case i had to install it manually |
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| 07:16.53 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 07:16.59 | johnx | hey Khertan |
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| 07:17.08 | sarower | johnx: How i can test it? |
| 07:17.26 | johnx | sarower, if you're trying to get something in Extras, all its dependencies need to be in Extras as well |
| 07:17.46 | johnx | is libhildonmm available from any repository? |
| 07:18.05 | sarower | johnx: Of course |
| 07:18.09 | Khertan | Did you think doing an application for user for dectecting which package aren't optify and eat place on / will be usefull ? |
| 07:18.40 | johnx | Khertan, maybe? but there are some good scripts for that already |
| 07:18.42 | sarower | johnx: it is in the "repository.maemo.org" |
| 07:18.49 | Khertan | johnx: really ? |
| 07:18.56 | Khertan | where to ? |
| 07:18.59 | johnx | sarower, in Extras? |
| 07:19.12 | johnx | Khertan, on the forum and on the wiki page on optifying |
| 07:19.19 | johnx | just one-liners... |
| 07:19.22 | sarower | johnx: no in extras-devel |
| 07:19.32 | sarower | johnx: I think |
| 07:19.43 | johnx | sarower, if you're trying to get your app in Extras, you need to get all the dependencies in Extras as well |
| 07:20.06 | sarower | johnx: No my app in local system |
| 07:21.13 | Khertan | johnx : http://khertan.net/2009/10/not-enought-space-on-device/ <<< my own script |
| 07:21.38 | johnx | sarower, so what are you trying to accomplish? are you planning to distribute your app to other people? |
| 07:21.40 | Khertan | didn't found any in http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs nor http://wiki.maemo.org/Opt_Problem |
| 07:21.57 | sarower | johnx: No |
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| 07:22.10 | sarower | not now |
| 07:22.59 | johnx | sarower, then if it works for you, you're all set. automatically getting dependencies doesn't work for .deb files unless they're part of a repository (that's simplifying it a bit, but overall, that's the case) |
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| 07:24.39 | sarower | johnx: That means if i do not keep my app in a repository i can not get the dependencies automatically, right? |
| 07:25.14 | johnx | pretty much |
| 07:25.14 | johnx | (unless you install it with an app like gdebi) |
| 07:25.25 | sarower | johnx: In that case what would be the work around? |
| 07:25.50 | johnx | install the dependencies manually |
| 07:25.50 | sarower | johnx: My God! |
| 07:25.50 | johnx | or: dpkg -i app.deb && apt-get -f install |
| 07:26.20 | johnx | basically you end up installing an app without the deps it needs, then using apt-get to fix the situation |
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| 07:26.44 | sarower | johnx: Will it work in the device if i eun from a script? |
| 07:26.50 | sarower | *run |
| 07:26.56 | johnx | an installer script? |
| 07:26.59 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: you'll have more staff than maemo devices in 5 years :) |
| 07:27.05 | timeless_mbp | nokia org names don't last that long :) |
| 07:27.10 | sarower | johnx: Shell script |
| 07:27.30 | sarower | johnx: Where i will give these command! |
| 07:27.39 | johnx | the file manager won't launch scripts |
| 07:27.55 | johnx | just make a repository and give a .install link |
| 07:28.07 | johnx | or get your app in extras |
| 07:28.27 | sarower | johnx: Thats App distribution system, right? |
| 07:28.47 | sarower | johnx: I must distribute publicly! |
| 07:28.57 | sarower | johnx: In that case |
| 07:29.08 | johnx | Extras is public |
| 07:29.16 | sarower | johnx: Hmm |
| 07:29.16 | johnx | you can make your own private apt repository |
| 07:29.36 | timeless_mbp | has one sadly |
| 07:29.40 | timeless_mbp | is still looking for users |
| 07:30.35 | sarower | johnx: Any way if i want to install the deb package through application manager, I must install the dependencies manually, right? |
| 07:30.49 | johnx | correct |
| 07:31.03 | sarower | johnx: Ok thank you vary much |
| 07:31.16 | timeless_mbp | sarower: you could write a patch to ham to fix that |
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| 07:31.46 | sarower | timeless_mbp: That is not my scope currently |
| 07:31.47 | timeless_mbp | all it takes is creating a temporary repo which just has a list of the single package you're installing, running update, and trying to use the standard install process |
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| 07:31.56 | timeless_mbp | and then removing the temporary repo and updating again |
| 07:32.03 | timeless_mbp | sarower: something to think about |
| 07:32.42 | sarower | timeless_mbp: Ok, That's right... thinking... ha ha haaaaaa |
| 07:32.54 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, localizations take about 14mb in /usr/share/locale, something like .5 per lang |
| 07:33.01 | timeless_mbp | sarower: some day, some day... |
| 07:33.14 | sarower | timeless_mbp: Hmm.......... ha ha haaaa |
| 07:33.26 | johnx | timeless, good candidate for /opt IMHO |
| 07:33.41 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.46 | Flandry_ | no, i think the repo is downn |
| 07:33.59 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.17 | Flandry_ | my package is even failing on the autobuilder because of failed connections |
| 07:34.24 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i'm not sure |
| 07:34.26 | timeless_mbp | is it worth it? |
| 07:34.35 | johnx | 14MB? |
| 07:34.37 | johnx | yes |
| 07:34.38 | timeless_mbp | 12mb |
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| 07:34.50 | timeless_mbp | you don't want your live locale to be optified |
| 07:35.11 | johnx | why? if it's needed it'll be in RAM |
| 07:35.16 | johnx | if it isn't it won't |
| 07:35.20 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 07:35.22 | timeless_mbp | doesn't work |
| 07:35.29 | timeless_mbp | having played w/ things, the system is really stupid |
| 07:35.34 | timeless_mbp | and actually, to be fair, it's probably 12mb base |
| 07:35.45 | timeless_mbp | because i have 2 extra locales (en-us-nokia en-us-timeless) |
| 07:35.46 | johnx | the linux VM subsystem stupid? |
| 07:35.52 | timeless_mbp | no, something we do is |
| 07:35.55 | johnx | it's less stupid than anything else I've seen |
| 07:35.57 | timeless_mbp | not sure what / whose fault |
| 07:36.01 | timeless_mbp | disagrees |
| 07:36.08 | timeless_mbp | windows caching is much better in this area |
| 07:36.19 | johnx | yeah. gonna disagree there |
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| 07:36.33 | timeless_mbp | we haven't spent time figuring out if there's an error in how ubifs is implemented |
| 07:36.38 | timeless_mbp | or how gettext works |
| 07:36.44 | timeless_mbp | or if there's something else flying around |
| 07:36.53 | johnx | ah well. I'll "optify" my locales and tell you if it sucks |
| 07:37.10 | timeless_mbp | all i know is that if i use /bin/cp to replace a file on disk then the running app can crash or misrender |
| 07:37.21 | timeless_mbp | which really shouldn't happen (tm) |
| 07:38.05 | johnx | really? |
| 07:38.13 | johnx | I don't think that's an FS bug |
| 07:38.23 | johnx | I can tell you how to make it happen on your mac |
| 07:39.04 | johnx | but at least ccooke's script makes it easy to play with opting / un-opting arbitrary packages in an installed system |
| 07:39.19 | Flandry_ | does the app manager on N900 have a mechanism built in to not allow an install if it would fill root? |
| 07:39.49 | johnx | Flandry_, ... kind of a good question |
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| 07:40.09 | johnx | i'm not sure if it actually has the information it needs to make that decision |
| 07:40.21 | Flandry_ | it should all be in the .deb |
| 07:40.46 | Flandry_ | except after install scrip actions i guess |
| 07:40.49 | johnx | well the .deb has an 'installed size' field, not fields for 'space in /' 'space in /opt' |
| 07:42.06 | Flandry_ | i don't know what the anatomy of a packaged deb is like, but the maintainer tools know what goes where -- it's inside the deb after all |
| 07:42.30 | Flandry_ | anyway i will create a brainstorm entry |
| 07:42.39 | johnx | and dpkg can get a list of what goes where, but not the size of individual elements |
| 07:42.44 | Flandry_ | i just wanted to ask if it already exists |
| 07:43.09 | timeless_mbp | johnx: hrm |
| 07:43.22 | timeless_mbp | there's a script to optify live packages? |
| 07:43.32 | johnx | Flandry_, do that. and also suggest they add fields: X-space-in-root: 4321, X-space-in-opt: 1234 |
| 07:43.35 | johnx | timeless_mbp, yeah |
| 07:43.41 | timeless_mbp | is there a ui? |
| 07:43.44 | johnx | nope |
| 07:43.46 | johnx | thank god |
| 07:44.20 | johnx | caveat: if you 'optify' something needed before /opt is mounted you get to keep the pieces |
| 07:44.46 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 07:44.47 | RST38h | X-Fade: maemo.org slowed down to a crawl |
| 07:44.49 | timeless_mbp | been there, did that |
| 07:45.08 | RST38h | johnx: But... who would ever need THAT? :) |
| 07:45.18 | timeless_mbp | oh, so mgedmin got the doubled directory feature |
| 07:45.23 | timeless_mbp | i had that for all of the system folders |
| 07:45.31 | timeless_mbp | i'm glad someone else got it! |
| 07:45.34 | RST38h | It is present for all system folders |
| 07:45.38 | RST38h | And there is a bug for it |
| 07:46.01 | ShadowJK | timeless, oh it was a forum thread full of people whining about the n900 delay |
| 07:46.07 | ShadowJK | in finnish |
| 07:46.08 | johnx | RST38h, the gui? yeah no need for it. or optifying the ovi maps app? priceless. |
| 07:46.42 | RST38h | johnx: Ah, sneaky |
| 07:46.43 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i'd be tempted to write a gui for optifying live packages |
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| 07:47.38 | johnx | timeless_mbp, first write some logic that detects whether the file is needed before /opt is mounted |
| 07:47.59 | RST38h | johnx: Which part of Ovi Maps is being used like that btw? =) |
| 07:48.11 | johnx | RST38h, on my system? I optified all of it |
| 07:48.22 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 07:48.32 | johnx | doesn't seem any *less* responsive :) |
| 07:48.34 | RST38h | johnx: ok, so Ovi Maps is kosher to optify? |
| 07:48.43 | johnx | guess so |
| 07:48.46 | johnx | <- lab rat |
| 07:49.04 | RST38h | promoting optified ati85 as we speak |
| 07:49.27 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: ovi maps is basically a browser host |
| 07:49.35 | johnx | RST38h, just use ccooke's script: the rule is that every time you use it to optify a nokia package rather than a "fat" 3rd party app, you have to take a drink |
| 07:49.37 | timeless_mbp | if it does something wrong optified, it's more broken than i know of |
| 07:49.52 | RST38h | johnx: I do not use stuff that I do not understand |
| 07:50.08 | johnx | RST38h, guess that disqualifies you from both parts :) |
| 07:50.33 | RST38h | johnx: So, just went into my own makefile and moved /usr/share/<app> to /opt/<app> |
| 07:50.35 | RST38h | Hopefully this will also work on Maemo4 |
| 07:50.53 | johnx | it should |
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| 07:51.07 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: did you fix the .desktop file? |
| 07:51.17 | johnx | can always mkdir -p /opt if you need to |
| 07:51.20 | RST38h | BTW, we hould make a special package for Maemo4 that creates /opt on Maemo4 |
| 07:51.27 | RST38h | fixed everything |
| 07:51.37 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: /opt already exists... |
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| 07:51.41 | RST38h | I mean, creates it in a proper place |
| 07:51.45 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:51.49 | RST38h | qwerty: yes, but isn't it on / ? |
| 07:51.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep |
| 07:51.58 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: what's more proper? |
| 07:52.03 | johnx | RST38h, there's no sane place given that maemo4 is for the n800 and n810 |
| 07:52.11 | timeless_mbp | you realize that the other file system is fat32 |
| 07:52.11 | RST38h | there is mmc |
| 07:52.19 | timeless_mbp | and it goes away when using usb |
| 07:52.19 | RST38h | so? |
| 07:52.22 | johnx | RST38h, and when someone pulls the mmc? |
| 07:52.41 | RST38h | n810 mmc is soldered in |
| 07:52.47 | RST38h | one of 'em anyway |
| 07:52.52 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: the mmc is FAT and goes away when you use usb |
| 07:52.59 | johnx | a tool to let people choose where their opt should be would be neat |
| 07:52.59 | timeless_mbp | so it's just like a removable volume |
| 07:53.00 | RST38h | Fine for data |
| 07:53.11 | timeless_mbp | johnx: not like that |
| 07:53.13 | RST38h | the usb thing is a problem though, yes |
| 07:53.25 | timeless_mbp | if you're going to do it, it should be a tool that safely repartitions the internal mmc |
| 07:53.36 | johnx | RST38h, if your program wrote to my mmc on my n800 without asking, then failed to work when I removed it |
| 07:53.39 | johnx | I would not be happy |
| 07:53.55 | RST38h | johnx: you should solder your mmc2 =) |
| 07:54.19 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: you should just buy him an n810 |
| 07:54.26 | RST38h | true |
| 07:54.34 | johnx | just doing some role playing :P I have no use for maemo4 on my n800 anymore |
| 07:54.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, you got Maemo 5 working on it? |
| 07:55.15 | RST38h | Let me guess: mer? |
| 07:55.16 | johnx | qwerty12_N810, in mer right now, testing h-i-m fullscreen |
| 07:55.30 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, nice... |
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| 07:55.58 | johnx | h-d2 without hw accel is n o t ... s o .... f a a a st |
| 07:56.05 | RST38h | Shit, why does maemo.org always decide to act slow when I need it? |
| 07:56.22 | Khertan | RST38h: surely because i need it too |
| 07:56.28 | RST38h | Yea... |
| 07:56.46 | RST38h | considers wrestling maemo.org bandwidth from Khertan's cold dead hands |
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| 07:57.21 | johnx | final battle. fight! |
| 07:57.57 | RST38h | Final? There are few hundred more of 'em there =) |
| 07:58.18 | qwerty12_N810 | gets his crowbar |
| 07:58.26 | johnx | still needs to find sound clips from the first soul calibur |
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| 08:04.09 | ShadowJK | browser host... I guess no vector maps :-) |
| 08:04.22 | johnx | they are |
| 08:04.42 | johnx | and it's reasonably quick...but the UI is ... odd |
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| 08:08.53 | johnx | to anyone interested: the stage.maemo.org cert expired last month |
| 08:09.17 | Stskeeps | well most sane things moved to m.g.o now didnt they? |
| 08:09.28 | johnx | except the things that don't |
| 08:09.34 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:09.46 | johnx | looks |
| 08:10.00 | johnx | ...while he waits for h-i-m-example to build again |
| 08:10.04 | Stskeeps | probably gtk+ still there |
| 08:10.21 | achipa | X-Fade: ping |
| 08:10.38 | johnx | yeah. no way that's going upstream now :/ |
| 08:13.29 | achipa | X-Fade: could you shed some light on https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/python-qt4_4.4.3-maemo10/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt ? |
| 08:13.48 | achipa | X-Fade: Is it the autobuilder acting out or am I not seeing the forest from the trees ? |
| 08:13.57 | achipa | X-Fade: It builds fine in the SDK |
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| 08:35.07 | hrw | morning |
| 08:38.50 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 08:40.44 | sarower | Helo all |
| 08:40.47 | sarower | depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.12.9-0osso1); however: |
| 08:40.47 | sarower | Version of libgtk2.0-0 on system is 2.16.1-0ubuntu2. |
| 08:40.49 | sarower | Problem |
| 08:41.06 | johnx | yes |
| 08:41.26 | johnx | you probably don't need to specify libgtk that specifically |
| 08:41.28 | sarower | What is the problem? |
| 08:42.13 | sarower | johnx: I am going to install a package and it is giving this error! |
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| 08:42.33 | johnx | you're trying to install a maemo package on ubuntu? |
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| 08:44.19 | sarower | Oh |
| 08:44.22 | sarower | 1 min |
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| 08:47.40 | sarower | johnx: Boss Thank you |
| 08:47.46 | sarower | johnx: I have got it |
| 08:48.03 | sarower | johnx: One of my friend has done it!!! |
| 08:48.08 | johnx | ah |
| 08:48.21 | johnx | sure. no problem :) |
| 08:50.07 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Doh |
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| 09:02.23 | pupnik_ | timeless_mbp: ty message sent |
| 09:02.29 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 09:02.40 | timeless_mbp | good luck |
| 09:02.56 | timeless_mbp | i think there will be semi regular ferries, but my guess is that we're talking about quarterly |
| 09:02.58 | pupnik_ | i could use post/fedex or would that be bad |
| 09:03.02 | timeless_mbp | so you really want to catch this one :) |
| 09:03.08 | pupnik_ | achaa! |
| 09:03.10 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 09:03.24 | timeless_mbp | dunno, remember i never read/signed the doc you got |
| 09:03.30 | timeless_mbp | and i rarely ship stuff w/in germany |
| 09:03.47 | timeless_mbp | (i wasn't eligible, so picking up the page wasn't something to do) |
| 09:03.58 | pupnik_ | heh |
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| 09:20.41 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 09:20.44 | pupnik_ | someone build a decent speed 7" tablet with an ultraslim metal ipod case |
| 09:20.48 | timeless_mbp | geotagging in my n900 is sometimes flaky |
| 09:20.53 | timeless_mbp | Picasa 3.5 is telling me this |
| 09:21.38 | pupnik_ | apple will do it and half the people will act like they invented the tablet |
| 09:23.47 | pupnik_ | to sell well, it has to look 2010. not like 1992 plastic box tech |
| 09:24.29 | johnx | yeah, no buttons, fingerprint magnet. got it |
| 09:24.51 | johnx | it also has to have software, and that's the sticking point |
| 09:25.16 | pupnik_ | if nokia builds one, maemo |
| 09:25.31 | johnx | do maemo apps really scale in terms of resolution? |
| 09:25.39 | tekojo | ping kulve |
| 09:26.12 | pupnik_ | i would prefer non-fingerprint texturized plastic, and a durable nonglare display with slight stylus resistance (no gloss/glass) |
| 09:26.15 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:26.35 | pupnik_ | johnx, for this target audience yes |
| 09:26.35 | timeless_mbp | what's the maximum latitude allowed on earth? |
| 09:27.08 | pupnik_ | a number springs to mind but i dunno |
| 09:27.22 | johnx | timeless, 90 |
| 09:27.39 | pupnik_ | hmm how bout i make some 3d renders and take preorders |
| 09:27.44 | timeless_mbp | johnx: so if my camera reported something like 104 |
| 09:27.56 | johnx | pupnik_, I'm pre-ordered out :| |
| 09:28.06 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 09:28.15 | pupnik_ | damn |
| 09:28.34 | johnx | timeless_mbp, are you or were on a non-spherical body or in a zone where normal space-time is distorted? |
| 09:28.50 | timeless_mbp | not intentionally... |
| 09:29.13 | pupnik_ | careful with the punch at those cia parties |
| 09:29.28 | timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/20090927_017.jpg |
| 09:29.39 | timeless_mbp | could someone please check the metadata for that image? |
| 09:29.42 | johnx | did you set your preferred 'geometry' correctly in the control panel? |
| 09:29.53 | timeless_mbp | what were my choices? |
| 09:29.56 | timeless_mbp | "Moon"? |
| 09:30.08 | timeless_mbp | "Torus"? |
| 09:30.18 | johnx | non-euclidian |
| 09:30.44 | timeless_mbp | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=104.42+42.1103 |
| 09:30.52 | timeless_mbp | is the coordinates according to picasa 3.5 for mac |
| 09:31.48 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 09:32.16 | timeless_mbp | will fix enus.1/enus.0 to not live on / |
| 09:32.39 | timeless_mbp | how do i view a list of packages in extras-testing? :) |
| 09:33.44 | johnx | less /var/lib/apt/lists/foo |
| 09:33.58 | Stskeeps | how on earth do you select text in new browser? |
| 09:34.10 | johnx | cursor? |
| 09:34.11 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: please watch the maemo5ui team presentations |
| 09:34.16 | timeless_mbp | or use the bookmark that explains it |
| 09:34.30 | timeless_mbp | (or we could tell you, but you know, the device comes w/ a bookmark for this for a reason) |
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| 09:35.18 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:35.28 | timeless_mbp | why is HAM not maemo5 friendly? |
| 09:35.52 | timeless_mbp | if i file bugs against ham in bugs.maemo.org, can someone please post patches? |
| 09:36.36 | johnx | patches that exist? or patches that you expect me to write? |
| 09:37.03 | timeless_mbp | the latter |
| 09:37.14 | timeless_mbp | they should be simple |
| 09:39.55 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 09:40.03 | timeless_mbp | is there a real fremantle hig? |
| 09:40.46 | timeless_mbp | wonders if kmplayer has a bug tracker |
| 09:41.26 | timeless_mbp | it does, great! |
| 09:41.37 | johnx | and there's a nice HIG IIRC |
| 09:41.43 | timeless_mbp | urme |
| 09:42.02 | johnx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation |
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| 09:48.11 | johnx | time for sleep...hopefully I'll wake up to a happily compiled h-i-m-example |
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| 09:56.55 | ensi | you guys know how to kick of browser |
| 09:57.04 | ensi | (from another process) |
| 09:57.20 | ensi | trying in the terminal "run-standalone /usr/bin/browser" |
| 09:57.33 | adeus | are you still doing qt? |
| 09:57.49 | ensi | gives me this |
| 09:57.51 | ensi | -:1: error: invalid string constant "osso-combobox-entry-arrow", expected valid string constant |
| 09:57.56 | ensi | and nothing shows up |
| 09:58.14 | ensi | adeus: ueaj |
| 09:58.15 | timeless_mbp | ensi: there's a dbus command to ask it to load a url |
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| 09:58.38 | ensi | timeless_mbp: any you point me to relevant doc? |
| 09:58.42 | adeus | have you tried qdesktopservices |
| 09:59.06 | ensi | adeus: nope |
| 09:59.22 | ensi | ah very nice |
| 09:59.22 | adeus | then you should :) |
| 09:59.24 | ensi | i try that |
| 09:59.25 | ensi | thanks mate |
| 09:59.41 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 09:59.46 | timeless_mbp | qt stuff? |
| 09:59.48 | timeless_mbp | yuck |
| 10:00.21 | ensi | whats wrong with qt? (; |
| 10:00.21 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33177 |
| 10:00.39 | timeless_mbp | ensi: suggestion "use google" |
| 10:01.11 | timeless_mbp | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+browser+dbus |
| 10:01.45 | ensi | ok ok |
| 10:01.49 | timeless_mbp | picked the third hit because it seemed nice |
| 10:02.20 | adeus | I would still use the qdesktopservices (assuming it works) |
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| 10:02.39 | timeless_mbp | but the first hit seems to have the same info... |
| 10:02.54 | timeless_mbp | adeus: um, unless someone's using qt, pulling in qt is kinda overkill |
| 10:03.38 | adeus | of course |
| 10:03.40 | adeus | but for ensi |
| 10:03.52 | timeless_mbp | is he using qt? |
| 10:03.57 | adeus | yes |
| 10:04.06 | adeus | or deciphered that from the "ueash |
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| 10:04.18 | timeless_mbp | oh, i don't speak that language |
| 10:04.19 | adeus | "ueaj" answer :) |
| 10:06.49 | Dantonic | hello |
| 10:07.14 | samad_ | hello, i want to reboot PC from application popup menu of N900 i have tried using system("reboot") |
| 10:07.37 | timeless_mbp | samad_: you need to be su root to do that |
| 10:07.40 | samad_ | but there is no succesfull output |
| 10:07.42 | timeless_mbp | so you'd use sudo |
| 10:07.53 | timeless_mbp | but i hope you don't intend to add one click dataloss |
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| 10:10.18 | samad_ | timeless_mbp, i am not clear about one click dataloss |
| 10:10.34 | SpeedEvil | I think reboot just reboots instantly |
| 10:10.39 | timeless_mbp | ayup |
| 10:10.41 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -t 0 now |
| 10:11.04 | ensi | adeus: QDesktopServices gets the job done |
| 10:11.04 | ensi | thanks |
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| 10:33.35 | timeless_mbp | anyone know why i have 2 mancala packages available in ham? |
| 10:34.11 | timeless_mbp | maemo-mancala and mancala |
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| 10:45.12 | Ceron^ | aint there any n900 user |
| 10:45.16 | Ceron^ | who uses mail for exhange |
| 10:45.31 | zerojay | I do. |
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| 10:54.08 | RST38h | wonders why nobody votes for Crimson Fields |
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| 10:59.08 | sarower | hello all, |
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| 11:00.26 | sarower | After installing my application i am prompting to user to that "It is needed to restart your device". If click on yes then need to reboot the device. How i can do it from my application? |
| 11:01.09 | SpeedEvil | system("shutdown -h -t 0 now") is the non-maemo way that should work |
| 11:01.24 | SpeedEvil | I assume there is probably an official way to do it though. |
| 11:01.35 | SpeedEvil | err - withotu the -h |
| 11:02.44 | sarower | SpeedEvil: from my maemo application |
| 11:03.08 | SpeedEvil | I mean - call the shutdown program |
| 11:03.15 | sarower | SpeedEvil: So for device will this command work? |
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| 11:03.56 | SpeedEvil | I believe so - however - I don't have a device to try it on. |
| 11:04.05 | sarower | SpeedEvil: And will not the command system("restart -h -t 0 now")? |
| 11:04.31 | SpeedEvil | never heard of restart |
| 11:04.43 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -t 0 now |
| 11:04.49 | SpeedEvil | not -h - that was a thinko |
| 11:04.59 | sarower | doe it means: restart? |
| 11:05.15 | SpeedEvil | (and there is probably a 'proper' way to do this. This will restart a normal linux system. |
| 11:05.25 | sarower | Hmm |
| 11:05.29 | sarower | right... |
| 11:05.55 | SpeedEvil | And I believe it should work just fine for the phone. There might be a proper method that will - for example - warn the user if there are alarms in the next x minutes before restarting. Also - why do you need to restart? |
| 11:06.19 | timeless_mbp | reboot works |
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| 11:06.22 | timeless_mbp | but you need to use sudo |
| 11:06.32 | timeless_mbp | because it's not a command that random apps should be using |
| 11:06.57 | timeless_mbp | the problem w/ reboot isn't how it shuts down |
| 11:07.10 | timeless_mbp | it's that any attempt to trigger a reboot w/o getting user approval *will* cause dataloss |
| 11:07.15 | sarower | timeless_mbp: So what is the actual way to restart the device from my application? |
| 11:07.18 | timeless_mbp | because the user is likely to have open windows |
| 11:07.29 | timeless_mbp | sarower: 1. ask the user to confirm they want to restart |
| 11:07.33 | timeless_mbp | 2. sudo reboot |
| 11:07.47 | SpeedEvil | timeless: what does the 'off' button do? |
| 11:07.49 | timeless_mbp | (assuming that works, i haven't checked to see if it does) |
| 11:07.58 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: do you have a device? |
| 11:07.59 | SpeedEvil | timeless: does it ask about open programs and stuff? |
| 11:08.08 | timeless_mbp | the user has to either: |
| 11:08.10 | SpeedEvil | timeless: Not delivered to me alas. |
| 11:08.15 | sarower | timeless_mbp: from my application i neeed to do tha... like system("reboot") |
| 11:08.17 | timeless_mbp | 1. press and hold the power key for an incredibly long time (~10s) |
| 11:08.44 | timeless_mbp | 2. press the power key, and find the turn off button, then press it (not the same plane) |
| 11:09.03 | sarower | timeless_mbp: To make the change effect of some configuration i need to do tha |
| 11:09.03 | timeless_mbp | sarower: like "sudo ..." not "..." |
| 11:09.09 | timeless_mbp | but agian |
| 11:09.18 | timeless_mbp | you need to get permission (non system modal) from the user |
| 11:09.24 | timeless_mbp | because otherwise you're going to piss off the user |
| 11:09.37 | timeless_mbp | because you might have eaten his chance at a bid on a 1$ n900 from ebay |
| 11:10.00 | timeless_mbp | or maybe he was on the phone trying to cancel a hotel stay at the last minute |
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| 11:10.28 | RST38h | Anyone knows how I add an application author in a Downloads app page? |
| 11:10.34 | timeless_mbp | and if you reboot, he runs out of time and has to pay 500 EUR for a room because he won't be going there and it's now less than 24 hours before the day |
| 11:10.43 | RST38h | It lets me search but does not let me do anything with the search results |
| 11:11.03 | SpeedEvil | sarower: also - you need to add an option 'I'll reboot later' |
| 11:11.30 | timeless_mbp | yep. |
| 11:12.14 | sarower | SpeedEvil: Ok i have the option, Need restart. restart now? yes---> restart, no----->not restarted |
| 11:12.40 | timeless_mbp | not "no" , "I'll restart later" |
| 11:12.59 | timeless_mbp | and not really "yes", "Restart Now" |
| 11:13.05 | sarower | SpeedEvil:: But i need the system command to be executed from my code! |
| 11:13.29 | sarower | timeless_mbp: Is there any API to do that? |
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| 11:15.34 | timeless_mbp | looks like you basically write the reboot app as its own app which has the confirm prompt there |
| 11:16.12 | timeless_mbp | and stick a line for it into /etc/sudoers.d/ask-to-reboot-sarower.sudoers |
| 11:16.31 | timeless_mbp | none of the current sudoers lines offers rebooting |
| 11:17.31 | timeless_mbp | so um |
| 11:17.35 | timeless_mbp | did anyone look at my photo? |
| 11:18.28 | RST38h | BTW, anyone encountered a problem where you set the sound to mute, and it goes back to the original setting without asking you> |
| 11:18.30 | RST38h | ? |
| 11:18.36 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 11:18.44 | timeless_mbp | there's an explanation for what triggers that |
| 11:18.47 | timeless_mbp | but i can't remember it |
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| 11:20.03 | Anunakin | Hi All! |
| 11:20.16 | zap_ | RST38h: mediabox is playing with volume for me |
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| 11:21.53 | RST38h | zap: Even when you tell it "mute!" via the status bar thing? |
| 11:22.11 | zap_ | RST38h: it saves/restores it on exit or something like that |
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| 11:22.26 | zap_ | do you use mediabox too? |
| 11:23.38 | RST38h | Nope |
| 11:23.51 | RST38h | I just ran ColEm and got this problem. Will try to recreate. |
| 11:24.07 | zerojay | Alrighty... so I'm moving on Saturday... probably cutting my net connection tonight... dunno when I'll have net set up at my new place (or even if I have a new place yet)... |
| 11:24.12 | zerojay | So I'm not dead. |
| 11:24.17 | RST38h | Shit, the application page editing thing is just BROKEN |
| 11:24.23 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: fwiw, it can easily happen w/o using third party apps |
| 11:24.27 | timeless_mbp | i just can't remember the steps |
| 11:25.33 | RST38h | And it has been broken for months if not years :( |
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| 11:27.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: Are you there? =) |
| 11:29.53 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: hrm |
| 11:30.00 | timeless_mbp | i consider this mostly an n900 bug |
| 11:30.07 | timeless_mbp | i.e. probably most of fremantle's life |
| 11:30.15 | timeless_mbp | i don't recall ever having problems w/ this in diablo or earlier |
| 11:30.23 | RST38h | Oh I am not talking about the volume |
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| 11:30.28 | timeless_mbp | except when something like AB cheated and did some non atomic operations |
| 11:30.37 | timeless_mbp | application editing page? |
| 11:30.44 | RST38h | It is pretty much not possible to edit app details =( |
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| 11:31.25 | RST38h | heya vdvsx |
| 11:31.52 | VDVsx | RST38h, hello :) |
| 11:31.59 | timeless_mbp | url? |
| 11:32.02 | timeless_mbp | what's an app? |
| 11:32.10 | RST38h | VGBA |
| 11:32.16 | RST38h | but any other will do most likely |
| 11:32.23 | RST38h | Can't add an author. Can't upload screenshot. |
| 11:32.26 | timeless_mbp | what's a url for this? |
| 11:32.32 | RST38h | And can't save the page half of the time |
| 11:32.39 | RST38h | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/edit/069c278cc45f11de89ca65aa1c2084118411/ |
| 11:33.04 | VDVsx | RST38h, that's the normal behavior ;) |
| 11:33.40 | RST38h | VDVsx: This is what I am saying, this thing has been broken for eons |
| 11:34.32 | RST38h | blames somebody's playful idea of using Wiki as the content management engine |
| 11:34.51 | timeless_mbp | This object was locked by Marat Fayzullin. Lock will expire on 10/29/09 14:31:20. |
| 11:34.59 | RST38h | Where a bunch of PHP scripts and a MySQL database would do an order of magnitude better job |
| 11:35.24 | timeless_mbp | breaks the lock |
| 11:35.36 | RST38h | Ok, let me cancel editing, it is not going to let me do thing anyway |
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| 12:13.09 | gnuton | Hi |
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| 12:43.54 | AndrewFBlack | Anyone goten Home IP to work on n900? |
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| 12:53.27 | lbt | yes |
| 12:53.41 | lbt | "just works" |
| 12:53.49 | lbt | AndrewFBlack: ^^ |
| 12:54.10 | AndrewFBlack | not showing up as widget when I try to add it |
| 12:54.48 | lbt | hmm, it may just have appeared |
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| 12:55.13 | AndrewFBlack | checked all 4 desktops don't see it |
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| 12:56.24 | kulve | on n900: |
| 12:56.26 | kulve | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.26 | kulve | echo "/what/me/worry" > /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |
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| 13:02.12 | gouverneur | hi |
| 13:02.53 | keesj | is there a released flashable image for the n900 ? |
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| 13:03.27 | lardman | afternoon |
| 13:03.28 | gouverneur | is it normal that midgard is that slow? its not realy fun to work in brainstorm atm |
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| 13:06.04 | lardman | can a g_signal_connect callback have more than one argument, or do I have to place everything in a single struct and pass that? |
| 13:06.23 | lardman | gouverneur: yeah, seems to be running slow for Garage today too |
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| 13:15.18 | Flandry_ | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg |
| 13:15.18 | Flandry_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:15.36 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: a struct or you can use g_object_set_data |
| 13:15.38 | Flandry_ | kicks the hamster |
| 13:15.59 | ali1234 | Flandry_: scratchbox has it's own /etc/resolv.conf and it's probably out of sync with the main system one |
| 13:16.48 | Flandry_ | it worked for most of the repos at maemo |
| 13:16.55 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: ok, thanks |
| 13:17.08 | lardman | Any liblocation gurus lurking here? |
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| 13:19.38 | _marcell_ | lardman: not a guru, but I have played with it a little |
| 13:20.13 | lardman | Am trying to rip out the Geoclue innards of emerillon and replace with liblocation |
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| 13:20.51 | lardman | just building now, will post some code in a bit if you're interested |
| 13:20.55 | Flandry_ | but updating the scratchbox resolv.conf seems to help. Thanks :) |
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| 13:21.47 | _marcell_ | sure |
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| 13:23.33 | Flandry_ | hmm red pill mode reverts itself on the SDK |
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| 13:25.32 | woglinde | jo |
| 13:26.43 | lardman | hmm, can't get -llocation on the linker line |
| 13:27.17 | lardman | doh! wrong rules file |
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| 13:27.22 | onion | I'm almost always unable to thumb up/down anything on the maemo site (news, testing pkgs), clicking on them does nothing, any ideas? |
| 13:27.22 | woglinde | hihi |
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| 13:29.03 | lardman | hmm, qwerty12_N810 you about? |
| 13:29.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Yessir |
| 13:29.56 | lardman | at last, the respect I deserve! ;) |
| 13:30.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, lardy |
| 13:30.17 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m45d956f3 |
| 13:30.36 | lardman | that's my rules file, should my LDFLAGS and CFLAGS propogate? |
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| 13:31.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Pass 'em to configure. And, really, you should add it to configure.ac and autoreconf... |
| 13:31.24 | woglinde | yes |
| 13:31.38 | gouverneur | Flandry_: never did at mine |
| 13:32.03 | woglinde | qwerty is right |
| 13:32.20 | woglinde | write the m4 macro test to the autotoolfiles |
| 13:32.24 | woglinde | that isnt hard |
| 13:32.33 | Flandry_ | someone mentioned it the other day and i was unable to get app manager to update a package. Turns out the "assume network connection" had unchecked itself |
| 13:33.26 | lardman | patches welcome ;) |
| 13:33.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Do it yourself |
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| 13:34.05 | woglinde | lardman bahahahaaa one google for autotools m4 pkgconf |
| 13:34.09 | lardman | I hate autotools |
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| 13:34.20 | pupnik_ | why no cputemp/speed in status bar... any 3rd party app to view/log that? |
| 13:34.43 | pupnik_ | heyy woglinde i love the freenx - what is planned for it? |
| 13:37.12 | lardman | ok, thanks worked by passing to configure |
| 13:37.26 | lardman | seems broken somewhere else in the code (not my fault) |
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| 13:38.19 | _marcell_ | Flandry_: If I am not mistaken you can set the assume connection by adding "assume-connection 1" line to ~/.osso/hildon-application-manager |
| 13:39.16 | _marcell_ | and there is a "red-pill-premanent" line there too, which is 0 for me |
| 13:39.49 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: sure |
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| 13:40.11 | Shapeshifter | is the maemo page this unresonsive, or is it my connection |
| 13:40.24 | Shapeshifter | I doubt it's my connection. |
| 13:40.38 | woglinde | lardman *g* |
| 13:40.38 | hrw | Shapeshifter: maemo.org uses 33600 modem |
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| 13:41.11 | qwerty12_N810 | hrw: ...connected to a 770 |
| 13:41.27 | fiferboy | lardman: Is your test_abook working? |
| 13:41.48 | Shapeshifter | takes a minute to load any page |
| 13:42.37 | lardman | fiferboy: no, left it as was last night |
| 13:42.41 | lardman | still a segfault |
| 13:42.50 | fiferboy | lardman: Could you pass me the command you use to compile it? |
| 13:42.51 | lardman | will email the list this evening I guess and ask for help |
| 13:42.53 | Shapeshifter | What's a distmaster? |
| 13:42.58 | lardman | sure, it's in the same dir |
| 13:43.03 | lardman | build.sh |
| 13:43.25 | lardman | _marcell_: will have to catch you later re liblocation, need to get back to work |
| 13:43.31 | fiferboy | lardman: Cool. I'll give it a go. |
| 13:43.34 | Stskeeps | Shapeshifter: read the post, it outlines the role |
| 13:43.39 | fiferboy | lardman: Any weird dependencies? |
| 13:43.46 | lardman | dunno, let me look |
| 13:43.51 | Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: ahh, yes. |
| 13:43.53 | lardman | nah, nothing that's not in the sdk anyway |
| 13:44.08 | fiferboy | lardman: Cool. I'll let you know if I come up with anything |
| 13:44.42 | lardman | you can probably trim the list back quite a lot, I just copied it from the autotooled Makefile used to build all the demos |
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| 13:44.52 | lardman | therefore there will be stuff in there that's not needed |
| 13:45.19 | lardman | anyway, may be back online this arvo at work, otherwise will catch you this evening |
| 13:45.22 | lardman | cu all |
| 13:46.47 | mgedmin | feels very stupid, but after reading the post three times he still doesn't understand what a distmaster does |
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| 13:47.42 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: quims post makes it quite clear what i could be useful for |
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| 13:48.30 | woglinde | he stskeeps gratz |
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| 13:49.16 | Shapeshifter | "Waiting for maemo.org..." |
| 13:49.29 | Shapeshifter | more like waiting for godot |
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| 13:50.08 | Stskeeps | mgedmin: basically a role to facilitate community systems development |
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| 13:52.06 | Shapeshifter | uhm... in this "user forum"... there isn't a lot going on, is there. I mean, if I click on it, there's just a summary with like 2 posts per day |
| 13:52.12 | Shapeshifter | or am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 13:53.06 | AndrewFBlack | is there a fremantle vnc client yet? |
| 13:53.26 | woglinde | AndrewFBlack put the source into the builder |
| 13:53.39 | woglinde | same for qtnx |
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| 13:54.12 | AndrewFBlack | woglinde, what source |
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| 13:54.43 | woglinde | AndrewFBlack the source from diablo extras(testing)? |
| 13:55.20 | AndrewFBlack | woglinde, not sure how to build it my self |
| 13:55.35 | woglinde | setup maemoskd+ ? |
| 13:55.38 | woglinde | args sdk |
| 13:55.47 | woglinde | install fremantle stuff |
| 13:56.01 | woglinde | run sb2 -eR dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 13:57.07 | AndrewFBlack | I'll just wait til someone does it or til i have more time to work on getting sdk setup at home |
| 13:57.40 | woglinde | only hard think is to wait for the download to finish |
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| 14:00.18 | lopz | hi ! |
| 14:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, WHICH user forum? |
| 14:02.44 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: on maemo.org. http://maemo.org/community/maemo-users/ are there any other? |
| 14:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, yeah, -users is a cesspool. |
| 14:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | Nobody useful subscribes there because it's filled with trolls. ;) |
| 14:03.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org would be the proper user "forum" |
| 14:04.05 | Shapeshifter | ahhh. why the two? |
| 14:04.16 | Shapeshifter | now that looks like a proper forum. |
| 14:04.28 | mikhas | does it? |
| 14:04.48 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, because the maemo-users forum is actually a mailing list. ;) |
| 14:04.57 | GeneralAntilles | With a really ugly half-baked font-end on the website. |
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| 14:06.18 | Shapeshifter | mhh |
| 14:06.39 | Shapeshifter | when you click "forum" on the community page, you get to maemo-users ^^ |
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| 14:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, yeah, they either need to be fixed or dropped. |
| 14:07.53 | VDVsx | I heard trolls !! Do we've new ones ? :P |
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| 14:08.09 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, I haven't looked at the -users list in well over a year |
| 14:08.16 | GeneralAntilles | and my cardiac health thanks me for it. |
| 14:08.26 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, hehe |
| 14:09.20 | mikhas | =( Now I will never "thank you" for your posts again .... |
| 14:09.27 | VDVsx | I've the list subscribed, but usually don't pay to much attention ;) |
| 14:10.18 | GeneralAntilles | mikhas, hum? |
| 14:10.26 | pupnik_ | websites are too slow |
| 14:10.31 | pupnik_ | i hate them |
| 14:11.31 | pupnik_ | need a tachyon based browser precacher |
| 14:11.50 | pupnik_ | gets url from the log |
| 14:11.59 | pupnik_ | then sends that back :0 |
| 14:12.32 | VDVsx | misses the trolls sometimes, TMO is so boring this days :P |
| 14:12.42 | pupnik_ | universe divides by zero. game over: replay |
| 14:13.20 | rmt | Hmm.. seed (live.gnome.org/Seed) looks interesting.. might be an option for quick web2.0-y gtk-y apps. |
| 14:13.21 | pupnik_ | i am just sittin here watchin the wheels go round and round |
| 14:13.30 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Post videos of your new library on Talk |
| 14:15.11 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, which one, my network library that you're using for your qwertyPornDownloader ? :P |
| 14:15.28 | qwerty12_N810 | That's the one :) |
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| 14:33.05 | RST38h | X-Fade: here? |
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| 14:35.09 | GeneralAntilles | konttori_, ping? |
| 14:35.54 | Shapeshifter | mh, so there's official n900 delay info? |
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| 14:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, you want a cloak? |
| 14:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | Is anybody else really tired of the GNU/Linux people on Wikipedia? <_< |
| 14:38.13 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: If there's a limited number of them to go around, no. Give it to a regular here who didn't make the list. |
| 14:38.22 | GeneralAntilles | Not limited. |
| 14:38.38 | bulfaiter | hi, who can i ask to delete my repeated comments on http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/fuelpad/ ? It looks like I had a problem and posted 4 times :( |
| 14:38.47 | sjgadsby | Ah, then I guess so, sure. Thanks. |
| 14:38.52 | GeneralAntilles | OK |
| 14:39.08 | fiferboy | lardman|gone: Really gone? |
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| 14:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Texrat managed to quote on the right end but he's still quoting way too much text. <_< |
| 14:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | hates having to scroll 3 pages to read two lines. |
| 14:45.57 | Shapeshifter | why do people quote whole posts in forums just to say "I agree" |
| 14:46.04 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know. |
| 14:46.12 | GeneralAntilles | I like people who top-post on web forums, too. |
| 14:46.17 | hrw | Shapeshifter: because they are dumb |
| 14:46.46 | GeneralAntilles | I can understand it on the lists since most people's clients put the input cursor in the wrong place to begin with |
| 14:46.59 | GeneralAntilles | but you have to reposition it to do it wrong on web forums. . . . |
| 14:48.20 | RST38h | Most people are dumb, get used to it |
| 14:48.21 | pupnik_ | i get the sdl-games maemo-games frontend standard idea now. you want to leave the actual build of game as untouched as possible, or get changes into upstream |
| 14:48.48 | pupnik_ | would be nice if we could get clutter to screenshot the game in progress when paused and going to overview |
| 14:49.05 | pupnik_ | what are you doing for that btw RST38h |
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| 14:49.15 | pupnik_ | when user goes to app overview? |
| 14:49.20 | pupnik_ | 'pause' screen? |
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| 14:50.16 | pupnik_ | haven't seen the emus on n900 yet |
| 14:50.26 | pupnik_ | not running anything |
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| 14:53.10 | ccooke_ | huh! |
| 14:53.25 | ccooke_ | mail from mobilephonesdirect.co.uk |
| 14:55.37 | ccooke_ | about the delay of my wife's n900, so nothing new. But it's interesting - the person writing the mail says they've used a preprod device and it's worth the wait :-) |
| 14:55.41 | lardman | re |
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| 14:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke_, lol. |
| 15:01.15 | lbt | ccooke_: write back.... "I know. so have I." |
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| 15:04.36 | RST38h | btw, are "classic gaming desktop backgrounds" optified? |
| 15:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 15:06.30 | GeneralAntilles | and I didn't upvote Crimson Fields because it needs a fullscreen mode. |
| 15:07.21 | RST38h | Ah you wikipedian :) |
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| 15:29.38 | GeneralAntilles | ~ping |
| 15:29.39 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:29.57 | GeneralAntilles | mumbles evil things about Comcast |
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| 15:32.54 | qole | cool. IRC on the bus over EDGE. |
| 15:34.34 | GAN900 | qole, welcome to 2005. ;) |
| 15:34.51 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: Welcome to Canada |
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| 15:35.55 | qole | It's North America with the N900 |
| 15:36.49 | qole | Well I guess Americans have T-Mobile in "select markets" |
| 15:37.41 | qole | I've never had a mobile phone before so I'm still new to truly mobile Maemo |
| 15:38.05 | murrayc | How can I find out who packaged this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/asciidoc/ ? |
| 15:38.17 | murrayc | "apt-get source asciidoc" doesn't seem to work for that. |
| 15:39.53 | mikhas | ah but amigadave showed me that you get a context menu when hovering over the application (1sec?) in the AM you get a "details" button which then shows the packager, too |
| 15:39.59 | wazd | guys, anyone fammiliar with CSS? |
| 15:40.37 | RST38h | depends on what you want to do |
| 15:41.38 | murrayc | mikhas: I'm not going to enable extras-devel on my N900 just to try that. Anyway, it looks like the maintainer field is empty somehow: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/asciidoc/8.2.6-1.1/ |
| 15:42.23 | wazd | RST38h: is that for me? :) |
| 15:43.02 | murrayc | mikhas: Ah, I found it here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/free/source/Sources |
| 15:43.28 | mikhas | ah nice |
| 15:43.35 | GeneralAntilles | murrayc, by the way, are you interested in a cloak? |
| 15:43.39 | RST38h | wazd: yes |
| 15:43.44 | qwerty12_N810 | murrayc: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-June/007773.html |
| 15:44.03 | murrayc | Thanks. I should have googled too. |
| 15:44.22 | murrayc | Oh, so Jermemiah did it? |
| 15:49.19 | RST38h | A key component of a $10 billion nuclear fusion plant is vintage 2002 Indonesian coconut-shell charcoal. |
| 15:50.11 | RST38h | wazd: Sorry will have to talk later |
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| 15:58.41 | wazd | Yay! I've made it! |
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| 16:01.20 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, you know this for sure: what is the d-bus call for the task switcher ? (/me is lost inside the docs) :P |
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| 16:03.17 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: interface: com.nokia.hildon_desktop method: exit_app_view |
| 16:03.27 | qwerty12_N810 | On the Session Bus |
| 16:03.37 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, thanks ;) |
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| 16:04.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, is this a quick "escape-route" thing for your library? Good plan ;) |
| 16:05.04 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, yes, but I'll figure out a way to hide the window somewhere :P |
| 16:05.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Good man |
| 16:05.31 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 16:06.44 | wazd | btw, for those who was asleep - http://s48.radikal.ru/i120/0910/04/c10fe57823a9.png |
| 16:06.49 | wazd | what do you think? |
| 16:06.53 | GeneralAntilles | The N900 commercials seem to have little to do with the UI we've seen so far. |
| 16:06.59 | GeneralAntilles | There's no uploading progress bar. . . . |
| 16:07.07 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, it's the worst. |
| 16:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, what? |
| 16:08.22 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Did someone give you a screenshot showing what the latest version of the FM Radio looked like? |
| 16:10.00 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, yup, I did that :) |
| 16:10.11 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, cool |
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| 16:12.15 | VDVsx | wazd, I would like to have a list with my favorite radios as well, this looks fine for search but a list with my favorites is more usable for sure :) |
| 16:13.02 | VDVsx | something like the maemo5 internet radio :) |
| 16:13.13 | hrw | would be nice to add function from S60 radio - fetching list of stations |
| 16:13.25 | hrw | brb |
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| 16:13.54 | SpeedEvil | hrw: It can do RDS, so it should be able to do that |
| 16:15.54 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody investigated how to go about implementing that? |
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| 16:16.27 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: If it has RDS, it's an annoying parsing job of the RDS data. Then basically scan over all channels |
| 16:16.29 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, probably pycage, since he's the developer of the radio app |
| 16:16.51 | SpeedEvil | (assuming RDS is implemented in the market area you are in) |
| 16:18.38 | lardman | would be useful to automatically name the stations that it tunes at least |
| 16:19.57 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 16:20.44 | hrw | SpeedEvil: what about storing sets of stations to select them on trips? |
| 16:21.09 | lardman | I think it does that doesn't it? |
| 16:21.16 | hrw | SpeedEvil: on travel I just select current city in S60, allow to connect to net and I have all stations on phone |
| 16:21.19 | lardman | or you mean store them with a location too? ;) |
| 16:21.28 | SpeedEvil | hrw: that too. you'd probably really want a location list |
| 16:21.28 | lardman | ah I see |
| 16:21.34 | SpeedEvil | and p2p db thingy |
| 16:21.36 | lardman | that would be good |
| 16:21.51 | lardman | with a description of each station and what they play, and a timetable for when |
| 16:22.07 | hrw | SpeedEvil: exactly |
| 16:22.08 | SpeedEvil | Assuming rDS works, otherwise you need to crowdsource or internsource it. |
| 16:22.16 | lardman | RDS shuold work |
| 16:22.32 | SpeedEvil | I mean RDS is valid and used, not hte hardware workd |
| 16:22.32 | SpeedEvil | s |
| 16:22.38 | hrw | SpeedEvil: but editable set of stations so each Polish location will have "PR III" on same place in list etc |
| 16:22.54 | pupnik_ | exactly what is happening on N900 bootup after 5-dots animation cycles exactly 10 times? |
| 16:23.07 | SpeedEvil | pupnik 10 is a lucky number? |
| 16:23.12 | pupnik_ | dunno |
| 16:23.23 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: yep |
| 16:23.50 | wazd | VDVsx: I'll clarify the UI in the new blogpost, everything you want is already here :) |
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| 16:24.31 | VDVsx | wazd, good :) |
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| 16:28.28 | wazd | and as you see btw, it's not too hard to make universal UI for both portrait and landscape :) |
| 16:28.54 | lardman | the FM transmitter has a receiver built in iirc |
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| 16:29.23 | wazd | lardman: ironicaly no :D |
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| 16:29.37 | lardman | wazd: you know that for sure...? ;) |
| 16:29.52 | wazd | lardman: they are 2 separate chips |
| 16:30.00 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: pycage says it's on the Bluetooth chip |
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| 16:30.12 | lardman | no, I'm not talking about the main receiver used to listen to stuff |
| 16:30.30 | lardman | I'm talking about the one which is supposed to be in the transmitter, so it can see if there's noise on a given band |
| 16:30.31 | SpeedEvil | It's one chip |
| 16:30.32 | wazd | lardman: Receiver is a part of a platform and transmitter is separate chop |
| 16:30.39 | SpeedEvil | but it's got a FM and data |
| 16:30.40 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 16:30.42 | lardman | or at least that was my impression of the reasoning |
| 16:30.42 | SpeedEvil | misread |
| 16:30.43 | wazd | that's what I heard :) |
| 16:31.02 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah the BT chip has FM receiver + RDS receiver |
| 16:31.27 | hrw | bye |
| 16:31.27 | lardman | but I seem to remember seeing in the spec sheet that the FM transmitter has a receiver too |
| 16:32.41 | lardman | was just thinking, after using it in the car, and getting loads of interference as I drove along, how to automatically re-tune and avoid those problems |
| 16:33.25 | cosmo_ | hm, i'm getting black xephyr after installing fremantle sdk. the desktop is alive according to log messages, but everything is black |
| 16:34.33 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if the FM transmitter has a RDS transmitter in too, that would be shiny. |
| 16:34.58 | lardman | it does |
| 16:35.11 | lardman | which is why it comes up saying "Nokia" on the car stereo |
| 16:35.26 | lardman | track title might be a better bet though |
| 16:35.29 | SpeedEvil | Interesting |
| 16:35.45 | SpeedEvil | i think it's possible to do track title seperately |
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| 16:35.50 | lardman | anyway, was just idle thinking on my part, no time atm to hack on it |
| 16:36.00 | SpeedEvil | http://help.stereotool.com/rds_encoder_texts.shtml |
| 16:36.01 | SpeedEvil | See |
| 16:36.05 | lardman | SpeedEvil: yeah, there are different messages iirc |
| 16:36.20 | SpeedEvil | I'm really holding off on any effort until I see if I in fact get one at the highly discounted price. |
| 16:36.29 | SpeedEvil | As if I don't, I'm not ordering. |
| 16:36.34 | SpeedEvil | And hence... |
| 16:36.45 | lardman | this is the dev discount? |
| 16:36.55 | lardman | are there still problems with that then? |
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| 16:38.28 | lardman | heads for home to try to work out AWS |
| 16:38.38 | woglinde | bye lardman |
| 16:38.40 | woglinde | AWS? |
| 16:39.09 | SpeedEvil | Airborne Warning System. |
| 16:39.33 | SpeedEvil | lardman|gone: no. |
| 16:39.46 | SpeedEvil | lardman|gone: it's the multiple voucher discount |
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| 17:05.16 | lardman | re |
| 17:05.51 | SpeedEvil | re |
| 17:06.08 | SpeedEvil | lardman: was just saying that no, not dev discount, the voucher abuse thing. |
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| 17:06.22 | SpeedEvil | Well 'full utilisation' - it's not of course abuse. |
| 17:06.35 | lardman | ah yes, you were mentioning it the other day :) |
| 17:06.42 | woglinde | re AWS |
| 17:07.11 | lardman | woglinde: yep |
| 17:07.36 | lardman | I've pushed librest, I wonder if that would be of use? |
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| 17:10.15 | lardman | hmm, emerillon problems are because it uses a newer gtk+ :( |
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| 17:54.40 | AndrewFBlack | why do people make mobile webpages but don't include all the function that make me want to use the site to start with |
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| 17:56.00 | AndrewFBlack | I don't get why getdropbox.com mobile version doesn't allow upload only download |
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| 18:30.36 | Corsac | Disponibilité: Arrivage prévu Samedi 14 Novembre |
| 18:30.38 | Corsac | mrpf |
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| 18:34.56 | GeneralAntilles | I love it when filling a bug doesn't email anybody. |
| 18:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
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| 18:37.01 | W_I | are Fremantle extras/extras-devel repositories down? Trying to do apt-get update after adding extras to sources.list, but getting GPG Error in return... |
| 18:37.43 | Stskeeps | its a warning fron apt |
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| 18:39.45 | W_I | Stskeeps: how can I go around it? as now it doesn't update the lists... I remember fixing these while back when using diablo scratchbox, but cannot remember anymore |
| 18:40.46 | W_I | Stskeeps: never mind... =) It seems to update even when it doesn't say it |
| 18:40.48 | Stskeeps | W_I: it says w: gpg error which means its not fatal |
| 18:40.56 | Stskeeps | yes, the unix way |
| 18:41.04 | W_I | Stskeeps: true... |
| 18:42.25 | wazd | tada! http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/preview-fm-radio-for-n900/ |
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| 18:44.46 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, you should do an iPhone theme for Fremantle. :P |
| 18:45.07 | qwerty12_N810 | ~GeneralAntilles-- |
| 18:45.07 | toggles_w | slaps GeneralAntilles with a wet trout |
| 18:45.15 | qwerty12_N810 | That's a horrible idea. |
| 18:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | But for shits and giggles? |
| 18:47.08 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, think of all the fun you could have in your postinsts. :P |
| 18:47.32 | ali1234 | someone do an ubuntu theme, i'm getting brown withdrawl |
| 18:47.41 | qwerty12_N810 | It'd make me cry more than it would make me laugh :\ |
| 18:48.52 | wazd | any wishes for the UI? :) |
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| 18:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure I love the favorites. |
| 18:49.28 | RST38h | back |
| 18:49.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Actually, someone should do an "iPhone Transformation Pack". A replacement hildon-desktop that only shows a lock icon and one button that allows uninstallation of it. |
| 18:50.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Nothing else allowed. |
| 18:50.06 | RST38h | still wants steampunk them |
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| 18:50.19 | RST38h | theme |
| 18:50.24 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: I was thinking bout moving button to the right and list to the left |
| 18:50.44 | wazd | RST38h: steampunk is really graphic intensive theme :) |
| 18:50.52 | RST38h | of course |
| 18:51.01 | RST38h | brass, etc |
| 18:51.02 | wazd | RST38h: I think I'll try to make one after Mer theme |
| 18:51.09 | RST38h | =) |
| 18:51.24 | wazd | RST38h: check out FM app |
| 18:51.36 | RST38h | checking.. |
| 18:52.28 | toggles_w | wazd: very pretty |
| 18:52.41 | RST38h | wazd: I still think th background has to look as yellowish paper lit up from the bottom with a bulb |
| 18:53.15 | wazd | RST38h: with city marks :D |
| 18:53.49 | RST38h | wazd: http://www.radiophile.com/835dial.jpg |
| 18:53.51 | wazd | RST38h: don't know if it's possible to make that kind of intensive app with standard tools |
| 18:54.15 | RST38h | I do not see what the difficulty is |
| 18:54.20 | RST38h | it is just a background |
| 18:55.22 | bulfaiter | is there a way to remove duplicated comments in maemo.org/downloads? |
| 18:55.54 | RST38h | shudders at the mention of downloads |
| 18:56.21 | bulfaiter | :) |
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| 18:56.36 | wazd | RST38h: well, maybe we can even make it skinnable |
| 18:57.00 | Xisdibik_ | RST38h: would be nice to see a steampunk shell then? :p |
| 18:57.38 | RST38h | xisdibik: it is called emelfm =) |
| 18:59.26 | wazd | damn, I forgot one last thing to add |
| 19:00.58 | AndrewFBlack | btw I don't know how many of you use getdropbox.com but since there is no Maemo App and Mobile Web App doesn't allow uploads I wrote a better Mobile version of there site that allow uploads |
| 19:04.39 | RST38h | Toyota, who's Prius is easy on the environment to drive but horrible on it to make, has engineered a new type of flower to help shoulder some of the damage their factories are spitting out. |
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| 19:04.50 | wirelessdreamer | anyone know if bounce was open sourced? |
| 19:05.03 | RST38h | no |
| 19:05.06 | RST38h | was not |
| 19:06.07 | wirelessdreamer | are there any accelerometer and 3d demos that are open source on the n900? |
| 19:06.49 | ali1234 | i've written one but haven't released the code yet |
| 19:06.52 | wirelessdreamer | I've got a basic accelerometer based game i've been working on in blender, using wiimotes as input, and am wondering how hard it'll be to port to the n900 once it finally comes out |
| 19:07.12 | wirelessdreamer | ali1234: any plans to? :) |
| 19:07.15 | ali1234 | well when i say "written one" i mean cobbled together a bunch of examples |
| 19:07.19 | wazd | wirelessdreamer: you're a game dev? :) |
| 19:07.33 | wazd | wirelessdreamer: I want you soul!111 |
| 19:07.35 | wirelessdreamer | i'd use the term lightly |
| 19:08.13 | ali1234 | wirelessdreamer: there's a snippet of how to use the accelerometer lifted from liqbase, it's very simple to use |
| 19:08.42 | ali1234 | ogl|es 2.0 is rather more tricky, i took some example code from the pwervr sdk and worked from that |
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| 19:09.36 | wirelessdreamer | Once I get a handset I wanted to see how hard it would be to port sio2 from the iphone to n900 |
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| 19:10.42 | wirelessdreamer | ali1234: thanks for the info |
| 19:11.04 | ali1234 | i also used libode in my app, and that isn't currently available as a package |
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| 19:12.03 | wazd | wirelessdreamer: msg :P |
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| 19:13.47 | ali1234 | wirelessdreamer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers, http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES |
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| 19:18.08 | wirelessdreamer | ali1234: how much noise is in the accelerometers? |
| 19:18.17 | wirelessdreamer | miimote ones feel a bit noisy |
| 19:18.21 | wirelessdreamer | *wiimote |
| 19:18.25 | ali1234 | probably about the same |
| 19:18.35 | ali1234 | there's a little but depending on the app you won't need to smooth |
| 19:19.10 | ali1234 | my app is a dice simulator so i just feed the accelerometer data into the physics sim as gravity data |
| 19:19.26 | ali1234 | so the noise cancels itself out |
| 19:20.00 | VDVsx | wirelessdreamer, accell is fine, there's a couple of games in maemo5 already using it |
| 19:20.16 | ali1234 | neither of which are open source :) |
| 19:20.23 | VDVsx | of they are |
| 19:20.27 | VDVsx | *of course |
| 19:20.29 | RST38h | All my emulators use it, just enable it from the menu |
| 19:20.40 | VDVsx | solarwolf use it too |
| 19:20.59 | X-Fade | enigma too |
| 19:21.07 | VDVsx | madbomber |
| 19:21.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Quake 3 |
| 19:21.09 | RST38h | i.e. all GB,GBC,GBA,NES,MSX,Spectrum,SMS,GG,etc games can now be played with tilt controls |
| 19:21.19 | RST38h | Ah, caught him! |
| 19:21.36 | RST38h | X-Fade: Are you aware that the product info editing interface is badly broken? |
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| 19:21.54 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is caused by performance issues. |
| 19:22.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is ajax and with the ajax call being slow you don't see it update. |
| 19:22.30 | RST38h | X-Fade: Only partially. Adding authors only works in IE6 for example, in FF it is eaten by the layout |
| 19:22.36 | VDVsx | anyway this is easy stuff, anything to worry about :) (accel^) |
| 19:22.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: I mainly use FF and it works fine. |
| 19:22.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: And I waited for ~15 minutes trying to upload a screenshot |
| 19:22.57 | RST38h | It has not completed. |
| 19:23.12 | RST38h | What kind of performance issue would cause something like that? |
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| 19:23.27 | RST38h | X-Fade: I doubt it works fine for you, please check it |
| 19:24.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: Somehow our memcached instance goes into 75% si.. |
| 19:24.13 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 19:24.22 | X-Fade | Not sure what causes it. Probably just the sheer amount of calls ;) |
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| 19:24.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: Everybody is editing product info, or what? =) |
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| 19:25.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: ok, let me try to add myself to vgba. |
| 19:25.06 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:25.18 | X-Fade | I can use the karma anyway ;) |
| 19:25.35 | RST38h | X-Fade: yea, as long as you have a way to remove it later =) |
| 19:25.38 | RST38h | has not found any |
| 19:25.47 | X-Fade | edit metadata. |
| 19:26.40 | RST38h | ah, it says I have no permission to edit metadata, but it is probably ont a problem for you |
| 19:27.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: I admit it was slow, but: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/vgba/ |
| 19:28.00 | X-Fade | Managed to add a few people in FF without problems. |
| 19:28.18 | GAN900 | Don't let him trick you. He's accessing it locally. :P |
| 19:28.31 | X-Fade | No, that would be cheating ;) |
| 19:29.19 | RST38h | Do you get to see the green checkmark? |
| 19:30.06 | X-Fade | And removed the authors again. |
| 19:30.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, but not the whole icon is visible it seems. |
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| 19:31.41 | RST38h | X-Fade: I do not see it at all, appears to be obscured by the column at the right |
| 19:31.56 | RST38h | The only way I can see it is in IE6, when the window is maximized |
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| 19:32.11 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, it could use some css love. |
| 19:32.17 | uhsf | i suppose this channel is about to climax in the next few weeks when the n900 is released |
| 19:32.19 | RST38h | (also notice the duplicated > VGBA > VGBA > at the top |
| 19:33.16 | X-Fade | RST38h: yeah, i know. But that is not really a blocker ;) |
| 19:33.39 | uhsf | is there anything else maemo than the n### series? |
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| 19:34.01 | X-Fade | uhsf: 770? :) |
| 19:34.07 | wirelessdreamer | what version of the clutter libs ships with the n900? |
| 19:34.21 | X-Fade | wirelessdreamer: 0.8 and 1.0 I think |
| 19:34.44 | wirelessdreamer | X-Fade: python bindings or just c? |
| 19:34.53 | RST38h | X-Fade: yea, that one is minor, but the author adding problem and the image uploading problem are real showstoppers =( |
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| 19:35.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: Author should really not be needed at all. |
| 19:35.22 | X-Fade | RST38h: if your package contains the correct info, it will show there. |
| 19:35.33 | RST38h | X-Fade: except that it does not show |
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| 19:35.56 | RST38h | X-Fade: BTW, it tends to reload description from the package every hour or so |
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| 19:35.59 | wazd | RST38h: looks like .svg icons for emulators helped :) |
| 19:36.01 | X-Fade | wirelessdreamer: python-clutter is in extras-devel |
| 19:36.13 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, the package is where your info should be. |
| 19:36.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: I.e. if I want to edit the description, all changes get lost in an hour |
| 19:36.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Then do not allow editing at all |
| 19:36.30 | RST38h | wazd: Oh yesss =) |
| 19:36.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: On my todo ;) |
| 19:37.13 | RST38h | cool =) |
| 19:37.38 | X-Fade | But the idea is to force people to create proper packages with info. |
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| 19:37.51 | RST38h | oh, I support the idea |
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| 19:37.58 | X-Fade | As then AM and other apps can use that info too. |
| 19:38.05 | RST38h | It is the implementation that I find incomplete and confusing |
| 19:38.17 | X-Fade | I'll give you that ;) |
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| 19:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | Watch your step, RST38h. :P http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/4029300431/ |
| 19:39.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: But it did not list you as author? Not even after an hour or so? |
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| 19:39.27 | RST38h | General: Evil, pure evil |
| 19:39.34 | RST38h | always suspected =) |
| 19:39.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: Nope |
| 19:39.52 | RST38h | X-Fade: And I thought my package metadata was pretty complete |
| 19:39.55 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Failing to see the evilness... |
| 19:39.57 | qwerty12_N810 | hides |
| 19:40.02 | X-Fade | Strange.. That should be a straigt copuy from the package page. |
| 19:40.09 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, yeah, I know, you often fail. :P |
| 19:40.18 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
| 19:40.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: I list a different email in the package changes |
| 19:40.47 | RST38h | X-Fade: That may be the reason (although the name is the same there) |
| 19:40.58 | X-Fade | RST38h: But it shows correctly in the packages page. |
| 19:41.04 | uhsf | i already have quality earphones and i'm searching for a small microphone to use with the n900. i'm disppointed that phones use a single plug for headphones and mic because i need to find an adapter for this. |
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| 19:41.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: And it just copies that data. |
| 19:41.51 | X-Fade | uhsf: My N95 came with a cable which inluded a mic and allowed you to connect your own headset in it? |
| 19:42.05 | GeneralAntilles | uhsf, you have any idea how much space two 3.5mm jacks would take up? |
| 19:42.43 | X-Fade | uhsf: http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/product-support/nokia-audio-controller-ad-43 |
| 19:42.48 | uhsf | there is obviously enough space just beside the single jack. |
| 19:42.52 | RST38h | would still prefer another 3.5mm socket for the charger though |
| 19:43.02 | RST38h | This USB thing is flimsy... |
| 19:43.14 | SpeedEvil | I want a proper dock connector |
| 19:43.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: I was surprised that micro-usb is rated for 10000 inserts. |
| 19:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | Bigger still, proprietary and fragile. |
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| 19:43.43 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: You are screwed then, as even the USB thingie is currently located on top =) |
| 19:43.44 | GeneralAntilles | uhsf, obviously, eh? |
| 19:43.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: while mini is only for 1000. |
| 19:43.52 | SpeedEvil | rs: yeah |
| 19:43.52 | qwerty12_N810 | uhsf: I have phones that use proprietary ports, and the phones that do have an headphone jack only have one. Why should the N900 be any different? |
| 19:44.04 | RST38h | X-Fade: So I plug it for 3 years and it dies? |
| 19:44.12 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, because the breakable part is in the cable. |
| 19:44.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: The old mini one, yes. |
| 19:44.43 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: In fact, there is a bugzilla tracker for adding 180o and 270o rotation that should rectify the problem |
| 19:44.58 | X-Fade | RST38h: the current one looks a lot more fragile, but is rated for a lot more inserts. |
| 19:45.08 | timeless_mbp | anyone here use WinCE/WinMo? |
| 19:45.20 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: that part. But not 'slam into a dock, and work' |
| 19:45.25 | RST38h | wonders for how many inserts 2.5mm jack has been rated |
| 19:45.27 | wirelessdreamer | usb mini A on the zaurus was perfect . . .they should of copied it |
| 19:45.46 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Well, you may be able to achieve that with USB connector and some magic |
| 19:45.54 | X-Fade | wirelessdreamer: Blame the EU, and now UN. |
| 19:45.55 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: But it should at least be at the bottom :) |
| 19:46.09 | X-Fade | Or ITU rather. |
| 19:46.26 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: not really - unless you've got a complex mechanical thing that gently puts the USB connector in after it's landed |
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| 19:46.44 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Yes, more or less. They are not that uncommon too |
| 19:46.55 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Check the old Casio Exilim dock for example |
| 19:47.35 | RST38h | the connector looked as flimsy as micro USB but worked |
| 19:47.37 | wirelessdreamer | eu decides, we want people to stop wasting money buying new chargers for every phone, so we'll stanardize . . . on something that will break ever 2 years |
| 19:47.39 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
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| 19:50.24 | ShadowJK | 'd like connectors on the bottom so that device becomes pocketable |
| 19:50.32 | ShadowJK | and is right way up when I take it out of pocket into hand :/ |
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| 19:51.06 | ShadowJK | but I'd settle for having all ports on one side |
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| 19:51.36 | GeneralAntilles | USB port on either side would be nice. |
| 19:52.49 | ShadowJK | I mean all ports on one side. My E75 has headphone port on top and charger port on bottom and microusb on the side. When I attach extra battery and headphones simultaneously, one cable is going to take alot of strain in pocket |
| 19:53.03 | X-Fade | The only thing I hate about the connectors is when listening to music with a headset and charger is connected. If you then want to type something, they are a bit in the way ;) |
| 19:53.26 | X-Fade | * connector positions |
| 19:58.43 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: indeed |
| 19:58.59 | timeless_mbp | the usb cable is basically oriented to hurt right handed touch users |
| 19:59.06 | timeless_mbp | or left handed full keyboard typists |
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| 19:59.34 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I rather had seen they put those connectors where the speakers are now. |
| 19:59.44 | timeless_mbp | too logical |
| 20:00.00 | X-Fade | Heh, seems so. |
| 20:00.12 | timeless_mbp | that wouldn't interfere with your hand grips! |
| 20:00.14 | timeless_mbp | we can't have that! |
| 20:02.32 | ShadowJK | the pop-port wasn't that great a dock connector anyway |
| 20:03.10 | SpeedEvil | needs to finish project 342 on his stack. |
| 20:03.15 | SpeedEvil | A USB with power magnetic connector. |
| 20:03.24 | ShadowJK | kinda like the AGP port. If you used it more than once you needed eraser to clean the contacts :) |
| 20:03.30 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: apple probably has a patent |
| 20:03.35 | timeless_mbp | good thing we're suing |
| 20:03.44 | SpeedEvil | timeless: possibly. |
| 20:03.57 | SpeedEvil | timeless: but once you've seen a magnetic connector, it's such an obvious idea |
| 20:05.55 | timeless_mbp | oh, X-Fade i've got a device for you |
| 20:06.12 | timeless_mbp | you don't need to worry about pesky cables getting in your way while the charging indicator is active |
| 20:06.26 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: pre? |
| 20:06.35 | timeless_mbp | it's in my laptop while i'm in the center of a corridor, no cables inserted |
| 20:06.43 | timeless_mbp | it looks like an n900 |
| 20:06.51 | timeless_mbp | but the charging indicator is showing :) |
| 20:06.59 | timeless_mbp | we call it PowerOverTheAir(tm) |
| 20:07.07 | timeless_mbp | sadly,.... the implementation is buggy |
| 20:07.21 | X-Fade | I already charged my N810 from it's own USB port. |
| 20:07.28 | X-Fade | That was enough for me. |
| 20:07.52 | timeless_mbp | (hardware feature, device doesn't know there isn't a charger attached, so it merrily announces it's charging) |
| 20:07.58 | timeless_mbp | or something like that |
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| 20:11.29 | lbt | how do I get my IMEI # ? |
| 20:11.43 | X-Fade | lbt: remove battery ;) |
| 20:12.10 | lbt | ok |
| 20:12.28 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: About product |
| 20:12.35 | qwerty12_N810 | In Control Panel |
| 20:12.47 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: ssssh ;) |
| 20:12.49 | orbarron | all: does n800 and older allow users to flash their own unsigned ROM???? |
| 20:12.49 | hcarrega | *06# |
| 20:12.57 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | Unsigned ROM |
| 20:13.01 | lbt | kicks X-Fade in the nuts |
| 20:13.04 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Damn, your idea was better... |
| 20:13.08 | Stskeeps | orbarron: own initfs,rootfs,kernel |
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| 20:13.59 | lbt | wasn't surprised at "take it apart" having reported the "no #..." numbers bug |
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| 20:18.34 | X-Fade | Hmm why does a creditcard fit exactly between the top and bottom bevel of the N900 screen. (Only the logo is in the way) |
| 20:18.59 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Picture, please ;) |
| 20:19.09 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, we want to see the whole card, though. |
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| 20:19.29 | X-Fade | Not much use, not a real credit card. Sorry. |
| 20:20.02 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But you wanted front and back? |
| 20:20.33 | GeneralAntilles | I wish Nokia would sell those diagnostic docks. |
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| 20:26.20 | lbt | can you set per-user ringtones? |
| 20:26.46 | lbt | X-Fade: don't tell me there's a switch under the battery |
| 20:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | Per-contact? |
| 20:26.48 | GeneralAntilles | No. |
| 20:26.52 | lbt | group? |
| 20:26.58 | lbt | anything? |
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| 20:27.09 | lbt | takes a potshot at _claesbas |
| 20:27.10 | Pavlov | lack of per-contact is pretty weak |
| 20:27.14 | timeless_mbp | lbt: no |
| 20:27.20 | timeless_mbp | Pavlov: it's a nokia invention |
| 20:27.21 | lbt | oh |
| 20:27.22 | timeless_mbp | so we can't include it |
| 20:27.33 | Pavlov | even my 10 year old phone can do that |
| 20:27.40 | timeless_mbp | we have a screen saver that lists all the inventions we don't include in our product |
| 20:27.44 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, that's why it's a mobile computer first and a phone second. ;) |
| 20:27.53 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: My Sony Ericssons have that feature... |
| 20:28.02 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i didn't say we invented it recently |
| 20:28.15 | timeless_mbp | but we do have a screen saver that runs on most of the computers here which claims we invented it |
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| 20:29.40 | lbt | votes for per-contact ringtone https://bugs.maemo.org/votes.cgi?action=show_bug&bug_id=5356 |
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| 20:36.49 | GeneralAntilles | Did the Fixed in Fremantle shirts ever get made? |
| 20:37.32 | qwerty12_N810 | No, Fixed in Harmattan shirts are all the rage now |
| 20:37.39 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, just for you since you don't read that list :P: -users: "I wonder if Nokia's considered releasing and Android 2.0 version of the N900" |
| 20:37.49 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: i wear one from time to time |
| 20:37.55 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, ugh. |
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| 20:38.05 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I think I'm leading bugs filed at the moment, so where's my shirt? :( |
| 20:38.07 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I've one yupi |
| 20:38.24 | qwerty12_N810 | I want a Windows 3.11 WfW N900 |
| 20:38.54 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: dosbox.. |
| 20:38.59 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: qgil said at the summit he'd be sending you a Fixed in Fremantle shirt. |
| 20:39.03 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I already saw a post about that. |
| 20:39.18 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, I'm even the non-paid guy with the most comments! |
| 20:39.23 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: No emulation, I want the real thing! |
| 20:39.44 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: good luck recompiling ;) |
| 20:40.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks |
| 20:40.06 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, let me know if you file any bug flurries any time soon so I can best you again. :P |
| 20:40.38 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 20:40.44 | timeless_mbp | i have an eCoach bug to file |
| 20:40.57 | timeless_mbp | but that requires me to find my device's eCoach version |
| 20:41.11 | qwerty12_N810 | My Karma: Bugzilla reported: 12 |
| 20:41.13 | qwerty12_N810 | w00t |
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| 20:50.39 | mairas | hi, is anyone else having problems updating the extras-devel repository? |
| 20:51.01 | mairas | I mean, using apt-get update or the application manager on the device? |
| 20:51.52 | mairas | I'm getting an error message "No Hash entry in Release file /var/lib/apt/[...]" |
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| 20:56.35 | sp3000 | X-Fade: ^^^ |
| 20:56.44 | sp3000 | or is that Stskeeps now? |
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| 20:57.47 | Stskeeps | repos arent my area :P |
| 20:58.17 | X-Fade | sp3000: reindex running ... slowly. |
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| 20:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | Already skirting his responsibilities. . . . |
| 20:58.45 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, preview of the FiF t-shirt: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4001284134/ |
| 20:58.51 | VDVsx | http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4001282472/ |
| 20:59.17 | VDVsx | lolol, best photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/4000512697/ god damn you crashanddie ;) |
| 20:59.29 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
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| 21:00.10 | X-Fade | 'The unfortunateness of things' is the rough translation btw ;) |
| 21:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, awesome. |
| 21:02.47 | X-Fade | lol, this once is cool too ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/slauwers/3999852095/in/photostream/ |
| 21:04.09 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you guys see my geotagged photo? |
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| 21:04.44 | timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/n900/20090927_017.jpg |
| 21:05.27 | Dantonic | my tablet is so unstable :( |
| 21:05.54 | X-Fade | mairas: better now? |
| 21:06.25 | Dantonic | what do you guys use as an e-mail client on the tablets? |
| 21:06.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, lol, crashanddie. . . . |
| 21:06.30 | Dantonic | N800/N810 that is |
| 21:06.32 | mairas | X-Fade, wait., I'll try again |
| 21:06.54 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: Google Mail in microb works |
| 21:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, purty. |
| 21:07.08 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you check the meta data? |
| 21:07.10 | mairas | will travel on the weekend and was panicing due to gpodder not working :-) |
| 21:07.19 | timeless_mbp | the geotagged coords |
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| 21:07.28 | timeless_mbp | on the n8x0 i tended to use /m/ or /h/ or /x/ |
| 21:07.29 | GeneralAntilles | is lazy. |
| 21:07.36 | mairas | had to downgrade it manually, but I'll try the repo again |
| 21:08.09 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=104.42+42.1103 |
| 21:08.14 | timeless_mbp | is the coordinates :) |
| 21:08.25 | timeless_mbp | (roughly) |
| 21:08.59 | Dantonic | timeless_mbp, that's slow tho... was thinking more along the lines of an e-mail client |
| 21:09.00 | Dantonic | other than the built in one |
| 21:09.18 | mairas | X-Fade, works now, thanks |
| 21:09.30 | mairas | what was the issue? |
| 21:09.31 | Dantonic | I'm having issues with the built in client |
| 21:09.38 | Dantonic | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=361067#post361067 |
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| 21:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, nice. |
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| 21:13.00 | timeless_mbp | ok, gotta go |
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| 21:30.02 | uhsf | X-Fade: tx for pointing me to Nokia Audio Controller AD-43. this accessory is not available on nokia website and i wish i will be able to get one shipped to canada by some retailer. it seems to be the best solution for people using quality earphones. the only thing missin from the AD-43 is bluetooth. it's unfortunate because Nokia Bluetooth Stereo Headset BH-214 has bluetooth but doesn't feature a 3.5mm connector. |
| 21:31.03 | SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313&_nkw=ad-43&=&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
| 21:32.46 | uhsf | ok, cool, it's not expensive i wish sound quality won't be impaired to my earphones |
| 21:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, Talk. |
| 21:33.20 | uhsf | also, i will wait for n900 to be released before buying this. |
| 21:33.30 | SpeedEvil | No idea about the quality |
| 21:33.36 | GeneralAntilles | It's "wrong" because I ran some numbers in my head based on guesses I made myself. |
| 21:34.39 | Dantonic | does anyone know where the built in e-mail client in N800 stores the account information? |
| 21:34.58 | Dantonic | I'm unable to delete it from the accounts settings, but it still shows up and looks for emails from those accounts |
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| 21:38.14 | ShadowJK | uhsf, you want bluetooth -> 3.5mm? |
| 21:39.20 | ShadowJK | wait, what DOES BH-214 have? |
| 21:39.28 | timeless | some stuff is in gconf |
| 21:39.44 | uhsf | ShadowJK: i would like a controller similar to the AD-43 but with the added functionnality of bluetooth |
| 21:40.08 | timeless | you can use a proper client or rm/vi + pull battery |
| 21:40.50 | uhsf | ShadowJK: or like the BH-214 but with the added functionality of connecting the controller directly to the n900 with a 3.5mm cable |
| 21:40.55 | SpeedEvil | uhsf: http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38&_nkw=a2dp+3.5mm - again - I have no idea of the quality of any of these |
| 21:41.32 | ShadowJK | uhsf, seems like BH-214 has 3.5mm audio output? |
| 21:42.00 | uhsf | ShadowJK: yes but i'd like 3.5mm input also |
| 21:42.05 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 21:42.19 | SpeedEvil | oh. |
| 21:42.22 | ShadowJK | if I could get 8-10 hours out of BH-214 it'd be the thing for me :/ |
| 21:43.13 | uhsf | 3.5mm input like the AD-43 to keep full audio quality and be able to use it even when the battery is discharged |
| 21:43.50 | SpeedEvil | That's unlikely to happen I think. |
| 21:43.57 | SpeedEvil | It's too niche a case. |
| 21:44.23 | SpeedEvil | why not simply unplug the ad43, and plug the headphones in direct in that case |
| 21:44.27 | Dantonic | How do I use grep to search for a folder that might have my e-mail accounts title in it? would this work? grep "gmail" /* |
| 21:44.57 | SpeedEvil | find . -name "*gmail*" -type d |
| 21:45.10 | uhsf | SpeedEvil: then i couldn't use the mic. |
| 21:45.44 | SpeedEvil | uhsf: ah, sorry - tired. |
| 21:46.21 | Dantonic | thank you very much SpeedEvil |
| 21:46.36 | Dantonic | what does grep do? how is it different? |
| 21:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Dantonic: grep searches files for the occurance of a string |
| 21:47.14 | W_I | has someone here compiled qtmapper project inside scratchbox? I'm having trouble finding the QWhereAbouts (Location service) |
| 21:47.16 | SpeedEvil | Dantonic: find looks for files or directories or other file-like objects by their attributes. |
| 21:47.17 | Dantonic | ah.. the contents of the files? |
| 21:47.25 | Dantonic | grep = contents? |
| 21:47.31 | SpeedEvil | Dantonic: yes |
| 21:47.36 | Dantonic | ok thank you |
| 21:48.33 | Dantonic | the . in that command is to search in the whole filesystem? |
| 21:48.40 | Dantonic | for find |
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| 21:49.13 | SpeedEvil | Dantonic: no - current directory and desceentda |
| 21:49.22 | SpeedEvil | and ones below it |
| 21:49.29 | Dantonic | all right |
| 21:50.03 | uhsf | it's annoying how every accessories are made for iphone. i would buy http://www.jays.se/products/connectivity/m-jays.html or http://store.shure.com/store/shure/en_US/DisplayProductDetailsPage/productID.105498400 over nokia offerings but i can't be sure it would fit the n900. |
| 21:50.42 | wazd | app store now has 100k apps, they even got an app that rejects apps :D |
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| 21:54.08 | jayabharath1 | hello everyone -- my first time here... |
| 21:54.09 | Dantonic | to remove a directory and all its subdirectories/contents it's rmdir -r <directory> ? |
| 21:54.59 | Dantonic | hi jayabharath1 |
| 21:56.42 | timeless | -rf |
| 21:56.43 | Dantonic | ok rm -r was it :) |
| 21:56.50 | Dantonic | i just did rm -r timeless |
| 21:56.57 | Dantonic | seemed to work |
| 21:57.07 | Dantonic | what is the "f"? |
| 21:57.24 | timeless | that probably means you had no files |
| 21:57.31 | uhsf | wtf |
| 21:57.53 | Dantonic | there where files well there were sub directories |
| 21:57.59 | Dantonic | idk if files or not |
| 21:58.02 | Dantonic | but subdirs for sure |
| 21:58.10 | timeless | oh, sorry, -f is don't fail |
| 21:58.34 | Dantonic | ah well didn't do anything... :( |
| 21:58.39 | Dantonic | didn't solve my problem |
| 21:58.46 | Dantonic | :*( |
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| 21:59.50 | Dantonic | I have 2 phantom email accounts in my email client. The system keeps checking for them but I cannot remove them... |
| 21:59.56 | Dantonic | and I keep getting errors for it... |
| 22:00.39 | timeless | did you check gconf? |
| 22:01.38 | Dantonic | no |
| 22:01.42 | Dantonic | where is gconf? |
| 22:03.14 | ShadowJK | uhsf, do you have shure earphones too? |
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| 22:04.04 | timeless | install a gconftool |
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| 22:14.27 | ShadowJK | hm, what did P suffix mean again? |
| 22:14.27 | ShadowJK | was interested in B but they stopped selling those afaict |
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| 22:14.29 | aSIMULAtur | private |
| 22:14.29 | Dantonic | timeless, so I installed gconfeditor and I see under modest the accounts... should I just delete them? |
| 22:14.29 | timeless | dunno |
| 22:14.30 | uhsf | Portable. meaning more bass for portable devices without pre-amp. |
| 22:14.30 | aSIMULAtur | that was annoying, netsplit the amount of people in this channel and ppl leaving and joining locked up my irc client |
| 22:14.30 | timeless | i don't work on modest |
| 22:14.30 | uhsf | I would like to have Shure SE530 earphones but they're more expensive. |
| 22:14.30 | timeless | but that's probably what i'd do, or rather, i'd read the keys and zap the ones that seem to need zapping |
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| 22:14.31 | Dantonic | timeless, "zap"? |
| 22:14.32 | uhsf | I will probably buy Shure Music Phone Adapter instead of the Nokia AD-43 but I don't know which to choose. MPA-2B: Works with Palm Treo⢠smartphones. MPA-3C: Works with Apple iPhone (including 3G) and Blackberry Curve. |
| 22:14.32 | ShadowJK | maybe you could write and ask shure :) |
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| 22:14.33 | timeless | delete |
| 22:14.33 | timeless | think of gconf like the windows registry |
| 22:14.33 | timeless | if you aren't careful, you can probably ruin your system |
| 22:14.44 | timeless | ideally keys have a logical hierarchy and descriptive names/values |
| 22:15.04 | uhsf | From the MPA user guide, it's clearly the MPA-3C because MPA-2B is 2.5mm. |
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| 22:16.55 | Davide | timeless, this is dantonic, worked, cleared keys and accounts disappeared. tyvm for your help!! |
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| 22:17.41 | uhsf | now i wish there won't be some connector lenght problems requiring some rubber ring spacer like i've read in maemo forums |
| 22:19.08 | timeless | frowns |
| 22:19.31 | timeless | someone will habe to talk me through opt at some point.. |
| 22:19.53 | timeless | s/b/v/ |
| 22:24.03 | lcuk | timeless, you have recent software havent you |
| 22:24.06 | lcuk | hi btw |
| 22:24.40 | b-man17 | hmm |
| 22:24.42 | b-man17 | could someone with an N900 show me the contents on /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf? - i´m trying to write a bootsplash configuration applet for hildon-welcome, but no one has seemed to post the contents of this file anywhere :( |
| 22:25.14 | timeless | i have 37 and 39 running |
| 22:25.35 | lcuk | could you spend a couple of minutes just testing something for me please :$ minimum work other than looking |
| 22:25.37 | timeless | i have a 41-10 image in MyDocs.. |
| 22:26.12 | timeless | [hildon-welcome] |
| 22:26.12 | lcuk | i noticed this with media player open but i expect the same will occur with anything |
| 22:26.12 | timeless | filename=Hands-v32-h264.avi |
| 22:26.30 | timeless | ---EOF--- |
| 22:26.38 | timeless | sure |
| 22:26.44 | b-man17 | timeless: thanks :) |
| 22:26.47 | lcuk | open media player, then open the clock manager. leave them both open on the dashboard. |
| 22:26.55 | lcuk | so you see the time on the dashboard |
| 22:27.01 | lcuk | let a couple of minutes go by |
| 22:27.06 | lcuk | and tell me if the time updates |
| 22:27.12 | lcuk | i almost missed a train because of it |
| 22:27.50 | lcuk | it was not refreshing until i clicked into the clock and brought it back to fullscreen |
| 22:27.53 | b-man17 | timeless: where is that .avi file stored btw? /usr/share/hildon-welcome i presume? |
| 22:28.22 | lcuk | /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/Hands-v32-h264.avi |
| 22:28.32 | b-man17 | thank you lcuk :) |
| 22:28.37 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:28.52 | timeless | i presume you want to use a swf/js clock |
| 22:28.59 | lcuk | no |
| 22:29.17 | timeless | well, if you want it to work :) |
| 22:29.31 | timeless | it's definitely stuck |
| 22:29.37 | lcuk | i clicked on the clock so i could set an alarm |
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| 22:30.10 | timeless | officially, i'd suggest you get someone running 41-10 to confirm and then file a bug |
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| 22:30.36 | timeless | you could confirm for yourself of course |
| 22:30.47 | timeless | it's probably a power saving feature |
| 22:30.52 | qwerty12_N810 | It is |
| 22:30.58 | timeless | it's more important that your phone work |
| 22:31.07 | qwerty12_N810 | It checks to see if it is the topmost window |
| 22:31.19 | timeless | it's more important that your phone work-so you can call a taxi when you miss your train |
| 22:31.25 | lcuk | lol |
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| 22:32.00 | lcuk | i thought "ahhh, got 10mins left" but then clicked it and it was like 2 mins |
| 22:32.02 | timeless | fwiw, android's clock is cute |
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| 22:32.48 | timeless | it always shows the time changing from $(hour-1):$(min-1) to $(hour):$(min) |
| 22:33.02 | timeless | when you bring the clock app back into focus |
| 22:33.15 | lcuk | bringing back to focus is different |
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| 22:33.29 | lcuk | its a minute tick tho, it could realistically just update on that minute |
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| 22:33.31 | timeless | the hour bit is what gets me |
| 22:33.51 | timeless | since i usually only have it out of focus for minutes |
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| 22:34.43 | timeless | anyway, i should go home |
| 22:34.50 | SpeedEvil | night. |
| 22:34.54 | timeless | hrm |
| 22:35.04 | timeless | not night, just home |
| 22:35.15 | timeless | somehow the clock updated once |
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| 22:35.49 | timeless | re media files for hildon welcome |
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| 22:36.29 | timeless | please just make a file splash.avi -> /home/user/.splash.avi |
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| 22:36.54 | timeless | then your applet can manipulate a file in userspace |
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| 22:37.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Should make it play the last 10 seconds of whatever was played last in the media player. Not sure it'd go down well in some cases, however... |
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| 22:37.58 | timeless | ..?? |
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| 22:38.31 | timeless | splash eandom pr0n? |
| 22:38.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep :-) |
| 22:39.20 | timeless | s/e/r/ |
| 22:40.01 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAtor, what client? |
| 22:40.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ups, stuck in scrollback. |
| 22:42.57 | hardaker | Oh sure, *now* I have mod points. Someone got make slashdot post a new N900 story. |
| 22:46.11 | GeneralAntilles | hardaker, the comments on that one were horrifying. |
| 22:46.24 | hardaker | that's exactyl why I want another set to rate ;-) |
| 22:46.35 | GeneralAntilles | hardaker, every once and a while I see an article on /. on a subject that I'm intimately familiar with. |
| 22:46.53 | hardaker | and the comments are never good or correct are they ;-) |
| 22:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | and the comments in it are always filled with factual inaccuracies and general BS. |
| 22:47.10 | GeneralAntilles | Which makes me very scared about the comment quality on the stuff I'm not familiar with. |
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| 22:48.03 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome home, timeless_mbp. |
| 22:48.56 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 22:51.10 | timeless_mbp | so did anyone actually looked at my photo's metadata? :( |
| 22:51.40 | qwerty12_N810 | *crickets* |
| 22:51.55 | SpeedEvil | has no exif viewer. |
| 22:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yes, hilarious. |
| 22:53.01 | timeless_mbp | it isn't alone |
| 22:53.07 | timeless_mbp | i have a bunch of photos w/ that data |
| 22:53.57 | javispedro | something is wrong when the Nintendo DS has a bigger screen than the N900. |
| 22:54.27 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, the XL, you mean? |
| 22:54.33 | javispedro | of course. |
| 22:54.44 | javispedro | (whose slashdot TFA article references the N900, btw) |
| 22:54.47 | GeneralAntilles | What's the resolution? 256x192? :P |
| 22:54.51 | javispedro | arg to RAS syndrome. |
| 22:55.04 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you try that file from the pastebin? |
| 22:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | No, what's it trying to accomplish? |
| 22:56.35 | timeless_mbp | a sane order for control panel |
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| 22:59.01 | javispedro | yes, 256x192 :D |
| 22:59.05 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, that is better. |
| 22:59.22 | GeneralAntilles | The DSi has a really nice touchscreen. |
| 23:00.01 | GeneralAntilles | How do you make it update the stored screenshot? |
| 23:00.12 | qwerty12_N810 | The same lame games on a bigger touchscreen. Woot. |
| 23:00.12 | javispedro | the sensibility was horrible on the normal DS. |
| 23:00.17 | GeneralAntilles | (whoever decided to steal Jaffa's idea that he stole from Apple did it wrong) |
| 23:00.33 | GeneralAntilles | It doesn't work better when you show a screenshot pretending that it's usable to make it seem like it's starting faster. |
| 23:00.41 | GeneralAntilles | You should a rendered UI WITH NO CONTENT |
| 23:00.45 | GeneralAntilles | to show that it's loading. |
| 23:01.32 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: rm .cache/launch/com.nokia.controlpanel.pvr |
| 23:01.38 | GeneralAntilles | Boom http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2008/03/08/improving_application_start_up_usability |
| 23:02.44 | javispedro | time to open modest is hardly a few seconds here. |
| 23:03.04 | GeneralAntilles | I wish h-a-m weren't the slowest part of the whole goddamn OS. |
| 23:03.12 | GeneralAntilles | Since that's the gateway to everything interesting. |
| 23:03.16 | javispedro | being shown such a "greyed out" gui (it seems like one to me) would probably result in me believing the whole thing crashed |
| 23:03.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Modest has first place, not h-a-m. |
| 23:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | Modest is much faster than h-a-m for me. |
| 23:04.12 | javispedro | Since I applied the actually-delete-messages-from-cache patch it's way faster, but still. |
| 23:05.05 | qwerty12_N810 | If you want to see slow h-a-m: Mer in Red Pill mode |
| 23:05.27 | qwerty12_N810 | +and its h-a-m in Red Pill mode |
| 23:05.28 | javispedro | h-a-m launches quickly here. |
| 23:05.39 | javispedro | but it's unusable for nearly a minute. |
| 23:05.56 | GeneralAntilles | OK, I'm officially more tired of hearing about Android than the iPhone. |
| 23:06.06 | javispedro | more like 10 seconds without -devel |
| 23:06.27 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: You're biased: your mum has one |
| 23:06.28 | javispedro | hugs his N810 for no reason |
| 23:06.35 | GeneralAntilles | Apple's at least up front about their evilness. |
| 23:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Google's just torpedoing mobile open source development by sucking people into a closed platform. |
| 23:07.10 | GeneralAntilles | and these fools are eating it up. |
| 23:09.53 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: What's the punishment if you take a Sony Ericsson phone/an Android-running phone/iPhone into Nokia HQ? |
| 23:10.35 | Stskeeps | shame when someone calls you? |
| 23:10.49 | Dantonic | Bye everyone |
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| 23:11.23 | qwerty12_N810 | I remember when I got my N900, Jussi asked me to put in the SIM and I felt embarassed when I pulled out a Sony Ericsson... |
| 23:12.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 23:12.19 | Pavlov | qwerty12_N810: they try to steal it from you so they can set custom ringtones for people |
| 23:12.21 | timeless_mbp | like the Hero the guy in the room 3 away from my manager? |
| 23:12.21 | Stskeeps | they are good tethering phones |
| 23:12.27 | timeless_mbp | he seems to be doing ok |
| 23:12.51 | timeless_mbp | my manager has an iPhone |
| 23:13.03 | timeless_mbp | rather, one of them |
| 23:13.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Pavlov: lol |
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| 23:14.55 | GAN800 | sighs |
| 23:15.03 | GAN800 | Comcast ate my awesome retort. |
| 23:15.43 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 23:15.46 | GAN800 | I've had the modem drop out for 1-10 minutes at least twice a day for the last 3. |
| 23:15.51 | timeless_mbp | google calendar supports two time zones now :o |
| 23:16.19 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Bleh, you're timeless; you don't need timezones |
| 23:16.36 | timeless_mbp | yeah, but i'm taking 5 flights in the next 10 or so days |
| 23:16.40 | timeless_mbp | possibly 2 extra |
| 23:16.59 | qwerty12_N810 | I'ma call you time_mbp from now on |
| 23:18.07 | gavin | timeful_mbp, please |
| 23:18.14 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 23:18.21 | timeless_mbp | gavin: you around the bay area next week? |
| 23:18.29 | gavin | nope |
| 23:18.35 | gavin | stuck in TO until december |
| 23:18.45 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me |
| 23:18.55 | timeless_mbp | i need to look into London or something in Dec |
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| 23:20.02 | GeneralAntilles1 | Christ |
| 23:20.04 | GeneralAntilles1 | You have to watch Anssi give a 40 minute presentation on using Facebook. |
| 23:20.06 | GeneralAntilles1 | My awesome comeback, qwerty12_N810. :P |
| 23:20.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh God |
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| 23:21.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Does that include the extra "pirating is bad" scene? |
| 23:22.04 | zash | += "m'kay" |
| 23:23.31 | lbt | any news on summit session videos ? |
| 23:23.47 | lbt | I've not been keeping up over the last couple of weeks |
| 23:24.23 | GeneralAntilles1 | lbt, supposedly the guys who were paid to record everything failed miserably. |
| 23:24.30 | GeneralAntilles1 | Audio is, apparently, useless. |
| 23:24.32 | GeneralAntilles1 | So, no. |
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| 23:25.23 | lbt | and they won't release what they have? |
| 23:25.59 | GeneralAntilles1 | Dunno |
| 23:26.04 | GeneralAntilles1 | What I know is all rumor |
| 23:26.06 | GeneralAntilles1 | So who knows. |
| 23:27.05 | lbt | VDVsx: ping |
| 23:27.05 | VDVsx | lbt, pong |
| 23:27.05 | lbt | just wondering if you knew ^^ |
| 23:27.18 | lbt | especially the 'release what they have' bit |
| 23:27.31 | VDVsx | lbt, I think there a couple of them already available |
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| 23:28.51 | VDVsx | lbt, http://vimeo.com/tag:maesum |
| 23:29.11 | lbt | that's it? |
| 23:29.46 | qwerty12_N810 | The Mer one appears to be the only good one there :\ |
| 23:29.57 | javispedro | sigh. So no way I can hear the OpenGL ES talk. |
| 23:30.03 | VDVsx | lbt, sorry none of them are the official ones, lol |
| 23:30.12 | VDVsx | checks again |
| 23:30.27 | lbt | Has anyone asked quim? |
| 23:31.42 | VDVsx | lbt, well JamieBennett is the responsible for the videos, afaik |
| 23:31.52 | javispedro | so, when's the next summit? |
| 23:31.54 | javispedro | :D |
| 23:32.07 | lbt | JamieBennett... any news |
| 23:32.10 | GeneralAntilles1 | javispedro, might try to get a mini-summit in Spring next year. |
| 23:33.32 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles1: interesting :) |
| 23:33.34 | VDVsx | saw some twitts about the videos, but doesn't recall here :P |
| 23:33.43 | javispedro | btw, why the "1" suffix? do you have a clone army now? |
| 23:33.48 | GeneralAntilles1 | In Canada, maybe. |
| 23:33.51 | GeneralAntilles1 | erm |
| 23:34.36 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, because Comcast sucks. |
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| 23:37.06 | VDVsx | lbt, https://twitter.com/jamiebennett/status/5027480964 |
| 23:37.22 | VDVsx | working in progress it seems ;) |
| 23:37.25 | VDVsx | *work |
| 23:37.37 | lbt | good |
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| 23:37.54 | lbt | hmmm, my wife does video editing |
| 23:39.14 | lbt | JamieBennett: My wife may be able to help edit summit video - she's got time on her hands and a linux box |
| 23:39.19 | lbt | ping me |
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