| 00:00.12 | pupnik_ | oh |
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| 00:00.32 | pupnik_ | now i get the sinister plot! |
| 00:00.44 | xnt14 | hmm, I should call up q-see and ask for the sourcecode..... |
| 00:00.56 | xnt14 | it *is* linux based..... :P |
| 00:01.13 | airstrike | where can i find maemo 6 UI guidelines, assuming they exist? or should i just stick to the legacy maemo 5 documentation from the tutorials? |
| 00:01.23 | lcuk | liqbase.net ;) |
| 00:01.42 | GeneralAntilles | lol, Maemo 5 is legacy already? |
| 00:01.51 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo 6 is at least a year away. . . . |
| 00:02.02 | GeneralAntilles | This is clearly the problem with open roadmaps. |
| 00:02.05 | timeless_mbp | airstrike: first you need a time machine |
| 00:02.13 | airstrike | that's what the tutorial says :P |
| 00:02.15 | airstrike | it calls itself legacy |
| 00:02.19 | lcuk | which? |
| 00:02.21 | airstrike | http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation/Graphical_UI_Tutorial/Introduction |
| 00:02.38 | derf | timeless_mbp: A time machine in that direction is easy! |
| 00:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | airstrike, http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation |
| 00:02.44 | GeneralAntilles | First paragraph there. |
| 00:03.05 | airstrike | yes, i've downloaded all of those |
| 00:03.08 | lcuk | wow @ naming tho |
| 00:03.16 | timeless_mbp | yeah, naming fail |
| 00:03.18 | airstrike | but as far as UI elements go, it hasn't changed a lot |
| 00:03.23 | timeless_mbp | Fingrish WIN! |
| 00:03.26 | lcuk | its a replaced set of documents |
| 00:03.30 | lcuk | but its not legacy yet |
| 00:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | en_FI is where it's at. |
| 00:03.51 | airstrike | i assume they mean those pdf's will be more up-to-date than the info on that link, but they're still very similar from what i can tell |
| 00:04.10 | airstrike | but alright, i had no idea maemo 6 was a year away |
| 00:04.27 | timeless_mbp | airstrike: part of this is your fault for not reading the fine print carefully |
| 00:04.34 | lcuk | bah no its not |
| 00:04.43 | timeless_mbp | and most of this is the fault of the finns for not talking to the native speakers who work nearby |
| 00:04.49 | lcuk | thats just badly worded |
| 00:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | So, Porche's got a sedan now. Any bets on when they're going to make a minivan? |
| 00:04.54 | timeless_mbp | will slap them tomorrow/today |
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| 00:05.19 | lcuk | timeless, :D you might get shown the door |
| 00:05.32 | timeless_mbp | just their office door :) |
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| 00:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 00:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk knows what that's about. :P |
| 00:05.49 | airstrike | timeless_mbp: one could either blame my lack of attention to fine print or the designer's notion of text hierarchy (or lack thereof) ;) |
| 00:06.18 | timeless_mbp | airstrike: i'll blame both, it's easier that way |
| 00:06.28 | lcuk | ok, so before they were legacy |
| 00:06.32 | lcuk | google had a fix on the title |
| 00:06.43 | lcuk | then they were moved to forum.nokia.com |
| 00:06.44 | timeless_mbp | and if you both learn a lesson, all the better :) |
| 00:06.46 | lcuk | and renamed |
| 00:06.53 | xnt14 | hmm, this is the name of the fw update file on their website ;) TD2316_2.7.0_CIF_090915_US02LG_EN1.tar |
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| 00:07.25 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure google rightly penalizes FN for its awful structure |
| 00:09.42 | timeless_mbp | is signing optional for builder? |
| 00:10.08 | lcuk | i believe so |
| 00:10.14 | lcuk | it used to be required |
| 00:10.23 | lcuk | but lots had problems |
| 00:12.05 | anidel | night guys |
| 00:13.03 | qwerty12_N810 | night anidel |
| 00:13.09 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: it is, indeed |
| 00:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | finds it obnoxious that farmers are insisting on breeding all of the fat out of avocados. |
| 00:14.25 | lcuk | nite anidel |
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| 00:15.53 | crashanddie | ok |
| 00:16.02 | crashanddie | last cigarette and then I'm out 'till California |
| 00:16.11 | pupnik_ | at some point people are going to want energy in their food again |
| 00:16.19 | pupnik_ | good luck with that |
| 00:16.32 | crashanddie | energy in their food? |
| 00:17.00 | lcuk | have a great trip seb :) |
| 00:17.12 | pupnik_ | energy, fat, carbs, sugars |
| 00:17.17 | crashanddie | lcuk, thanks guv |
| 00:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, don't get accosted by any backrupt Californians. |
| 00:17.41 | timeless_mbp | where's the web ui to watch the builder queue? |
| 00:17.49 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'm not talking to anyone unless they are hot and have a natural pair of boobs |
| 00:17.53 | GeneralAntilles | The Extras assistant? |
| 00:18.06 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:18.09 | crashanddie | Well |
| 00:18.17 | crashanddie | "Natural boobs" is probably cutting the list quite short |
| 00:18.25 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/extras-cauldron-builds |
| 00:18.26 | GeneralAntilles | In CA, anyway. ;) |
| 00:18.30 | crashanddie | aye |
| 00:18.48 | lcuk | or https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/<package name and version>/ |
| 00:18.49 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: that so doesn't count |
| 00:19.07 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php?step=2 |
| 00:19.16 | lcuk | which do you need :P |
| 00:20.03 | timeless_mbp | that last one |
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| 00:20.32 | crashanddie | son of a bitch |
| 00:20.39 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: could someone please fix the queues to not wrap so aggressively ? |
| 00:20.43 | crashanddie | light is giving up on me just for my last fag before 24h |
| 00:20.51 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, it's a sign! |
| 00:21.34 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: ok... so what does that mean anyway? |
| 00:21.39 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, and I'm a smoker, I've got lighters all over the fucking non smoking room :P |
| 00:23.26 | lcuk | timeless, items drop off the queue and without the other links go into a blackhole until you hear about it on inbox |
| 00:23.26 | lcuk | the other links let you see em |
| 00:24.14 | crashanddie | I wish I had mod points: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1419143&cid=29879213 |
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| 00:27.58 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: so... where is gettext now? |
| 00:28.03 | timeless_mbp | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/ has it |
| 00:28.41 | lcuk | xfade says it takes upto an hour to end up in the repos |
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| 00:28.44 | lcuk | if it passed |
| 00:29.08 | lcuk | but its not finished building yet has it |
| 00:29.17 | lcuk | its copying stuff over atm |
| 00:29.57 | lcuk | this is a completed build: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/fuelpad_0.82-fremantle2/ |
| 00:30.05 | lcuk | the file layout here is the same |
| 00:30.24 | lcuk | yours will build into that |
| 00:30.31 | lcuk | and results sent to you when completed |
| 00:30.52 | crashanddie | bye bye all |
| 00:31.03 | lcuk | cya seb |
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| 00:57.22 | lcuk | timeless, its goin a bit slow! |
| 01:01.05 | penguinbait | well speed things up |
| 01:01.18 | lcuk | i meant his build :P |
| 01:01.30 | penguinbait | I stand by the statement |
| 01:01.50 | lcuk | you are the council, please go and switch the builder into "performance" mode |
| 01:02.08 | penguinbait | Thats a lot of paperwork |
| 01:02.46 | lcuk | heh |
| 01:03.07 | penguinbait | hows the job hunt going? |
| 01:04.39 | lcuk | as well as i can expect, but i wont know until the day i get one |
| 01:05.01 | Firebird | woo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=358686#post358686 |
| 01:05.09 | lcuk | ive gotta go to town tomorrow for some local job stuff |
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| 01:08.50 | lcuk | Firebird, w00t |
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| 01:27.01 | mau_mex | Hi everyone |
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| 01:35.42 | pupnik_ | hi |
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| 01:37.28 | solarion | pupnik_: hey |
| 01:37.45 | pupnik_ | hi sir solarion |
| 01:38.25 | pupnik_ | what can we make n900s do that will sell beelions? |
| 01:38.32 | pupnik_ | lardman is on the right track |
| 01:38.54 | pupnik_ | - stufflikethat - |
| 01:38.58 | pupnik_ | waves hands vaguely |
| 01:39.11 | lcuk | has ideas |
| 01:39.29 | lcuk | do something your competitors arent doing, and do it well |
| 01:39.41 | lcuk | find new markets which have been abandoned by iphoneism |
| 01:39.55 | solarion | only does niche things |
| 01:40.07 | solarion | is very sad to not know when he'll get the hardware |
| 01:40.18 | lcuk | for every iphone person out there, there are 100 who want a phont that does the job solidly and reliably without flashy gimmicks |
| 01:40.33 | lcuk | the people who dont "get" gestures |
| 01:40.36 | solarion | lcuk: then the n900 isn't for them. |
| 01:40.38 | lcuk | or strange flashy ui |
| 01:40.43 | lcuk | not dextrous enough |
| 01:40.51 | lcuk | solarion, it is |
| 01:41.07 | derf | It's nothing to do with "dextrous". |
| 01:41.29 | code177 | evening all |
| 01:41.34 | lcuk | have you ever seen an older person trying to swipe? |
| 01:41.35 | derf | It's about being able to do something repeatably, when you have no feedback other than "success" or "failure" at the end. |
| 01:41.44 | lcuk | nods |
| 01:41.47 | lcuk | hi code177 |
| 01:41.57 | code177 | i've been busy making myself unpopular lol |
| 01:42.03 | solarion | code177: don't we all |
| 01:42.05 | lcuk | cool, which thread? |
| 01:42.08 | solarion | I want chocolate |
| 01:42.37 | derf | I play piano. My fingers are plenty dextrous. I cannot _stand_ gestures. |
| 01:42.54 | code177 | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33519 |
| 01:43.16 | lcuk | :) derf |
| 01:43.17 | derf | I've actually entirely disabled the touchpad on my laptop. |
| 01:43.26 | lcuk | derf, on the n900 |
| 01:43.34 | lcuk | you can disable the extra desktops |
| 01:43.38 | solarion | heh |
| 01:43.42 | lcuk | and so it doesnt try to swipe on the front |
| 01:43.49 | derf | lcuk: Good. |
| 01:43.55 | lcuk | and every button press is solid and reliable |
| 01:43.58 | solarion | The Apple ad misses the part where Mac takes her box and puts a big honking lock on it |
| 01:44.02 | kynky | comparing the iphone to windows mobile, windows mobile can run many apps at once, but not exactly the most stable/smooth experience |
| 01:44.37 | lcuk | derf, the haptics make buttons presses feel right |
| 01:44.50 | lcuk | its obviously not perfect, but its a lot better than nothing |
| 01:44.53 | derf | lcuk: So absolutely nothing like the N810? |
| 01:45.13 | lcuk | dunno, never feflt a rumble on 810 |
| 01:45.17 | lcuk | felt |
| 01:45.37 | lcuk | code177, its a bit of a can of worms |
| 01:45.39 | derf | I just meant pressing the buttons on the keyboard. |
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| 01:45.54 | lcuk | oh, the hard keyboard is different - i meant onscreen presses |
| 01:45.54 | derf | They were ridiculously hard to press, and it's next to impossible to tell if you've pressed one or not. |
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| 01:46.03 | code177 | lcuk: I'll say |
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| 01:46.08 | derf | lcuk: Ohhh. |
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| 01:46.14 | lcuk | get your hands on one, lots of folks have been pleasantly surprised by the keyboard |
| 01:46.23 | lcuk | is too |
| 01:46.34 | derf | Well, it would be hard to be disappointed, unless it were the same. |
| 01:46.49 | lcuk | lots are saying its better |
| 01:47.04 | lcuk | that smaller actually helps |
| 01:47.08 | lcuk | for reach with thumbs etc |
| 01:47.24 | lcuk | people at barcamp were more than impressed |
| 01:47.40 | derf | Anyway, you don't need to sell me on the thing. |
| 01:48.03 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:48.05 | lcuk | you sure |
| 01:48.54 | lcuk | code177, i just closed rather than posted something big and long |
| 01:48.54 | derf | Well, I had second thoughts after they snubbed me with the developer program. |
| 01:48.56 | mau_mex | hi, have someone use the N900 with a carkit as a Nokia end eaven an "N" series I dobt it have any problem , but want to know (A2DP & AVRCP) profiles |
| 01:49.08 | code177 | lcuk: *facepalm |
| 01:49.23 | lcuk | no code177 i need to think more before i get involved :) |
| 01:49.39 | code177 | lol |
| 01:49.48 | code177 | which side of the fence are you coming down on then |
| 01:49.56 | lcuk | i am the fence |
| 01:50.00 | code177 | blimey |
| 01:50.47 | code177 | I'm not sure really why my question caused so much kufuffle |
| 01:50.58 | lcuk | its been brewing for a while |
| 01:50.58 | code177 | i ant to sell my app, and give it away to my maemo.org pals |
| 01:51.04 | code177 | seems reasonable |
| 01:51.17 | code177 | yeah i guess it was bound to come up eventually |
| 01:51.38 | lcuk | it all depends on the history of the app |
| 01:51.42 | lcuk | and what libs it uses |
| 01:51.43 | code177 | FOSS mindset vs I-Have-Bills-To-Pay mindset too. |
| 01:52.46 | lcuk | nods heavily. i have bills to pay and very open source principles. |
| 01:53.55 | code177 | you must be very tormented ;) |
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| 01:54.55 | lcuk | not tormented, just worried whether ill find a path so my ideas can flourish :) |
| 01:55.01 | code177 | defo an issue though |
| 01:55.17 | code177 | well i've done community stuff on the net for years.. i've learned one thing |
| 01:56.18 | code177 | fame is awesome, and giving to people make syou wamr and fuzzy inside. It also looks good on your resume if you do something really awesome. In the end I lost a lot of hours and money and had nothing to show for it, because the internet world keeps on spinning. |
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| 01:56.25 | solarion | code177: which user are you on tmo? |
| 01:56.30 | code177 | I plan to sell out the first opportunity i get |
| 01:56.32 | code177 | O |
| 01:56.37 | code177 | code177 lol |
| 01:56.48 | solarion | must've missed it then |
| 01:56.54 | solarion | ah, yep |
| 01:56.57 | solarion | is dumb ;) |
| 01:57.09 | lcuk | im in a catch 22, i want to continue developing and polishing liqbase but if i find a job i have to realistically concentrate there and pull back from liqbase (unless the job was liqbase), or the family gets no food |
| 01:57.10 | code177 | lol |
| 01:57.16 | solarion | is the dev discount the same for us and europe? |
| 01:57.24 | code177 | apparently |
| 01:57.38 | solarion | that kinda sucks |
| 01:57.43 | solarion | still is $100 off, tho |
| 01:57.47 | code177 | sya |
| 01:57.49 | code177 | ya |
| 01:58.04 | code177 | See the thing is, I only wanna sell my app for like, one euro |
| 01:58.04 | solarion | can't be called to be biting the hand that feeds him, so he can say that. ;) |
| 01:58.14 | solarion | I just want a "donate" button |
| 01:58.26 | code177 | I'd like a donate button too but nobody ever pressed them |
| 01:58.26 | solarion | drop-down list with common numbers, or fill in the blank |
| 01:58.40 | solarion | code177: that's a human factors issue |
| 01:58.46 | code177 | lol, read that as "fill the bank" |
| 01:58.49 | lcuk | do that for all apps |
| 01:58.52 | code177 | was like, hell yes. |
| 01:58.57 | lcuk | the developers of open or closed just set a minimum |
| 01:59.01 | solarion | put a drop-down with a sane default and a donate button that works just like buy |
| 01:59.06 | lcuk | open has to set 0 |
| 01:59.30 | code177 | that's a really good idea |
| 01:59.32 | lcuk | let users choose what they want for everything - so if billgates really likes an app even if its closed he can support the devs |
| 01:59.43 | solarion | lcuk: nah, make the default a small, generally agreeable amount (EUR5 or something) |
| 01:59.43 | lcuk | and pay $100000 |
| 01:59.57 | code177 | lol 5 euros is like 8 bucks |
| 02:00.00 | solarion | you pay more for a cup of coffee; people will probably hit that |
| 02:00.01 | lcuk | solarion, the default level will find itself for closed apps |
| 02:00.12 | lcuk | entirely their choice |
| 02:00.13 | solarion | code177: and it's like a bajillion turkish lira; so? |
| 02:00.30 | solarion | in the US, make it $5 |
| 02:00.35 | code177 | ya ok |
| 02:00.44 | code177 | actually |
| 02:00.46 | solarion | iirc, coffee was around EUR5 |
| 02:00.47 | code177 | for the record |
| 02:00.53 | code177 | it's 11 turkish lira |
| 02:01.05 | code177 | :P |
| 02:01.06 | solarion | did they redefine their currency like .ro? |
| 02:01.30 | code177 | nope maybe you're thinking of some other place? |
| 02:01.50 | code177 | maltese lira perhaps? |
| 02:02.08 | code177 | duno |
| 02:02.30 | solarion | I don't think so |
| 02:02.45 | solarion | could translate it into lei vechi, if they were still legal currency. ;) |
| 02:03.12 | solarion | the lei rate is 1 RON = 10,000 lei vechi. ;) |
| 02:05.50 | lcuk | sleeps anyway |
| 02:05.51 | lcuk | gnite |
| 02:06.46 | solarion | n8 |
| 02:08.46 | pupnik_ | ohhh... http://www.xkcd.com/651/ Airport Security Discussions |
| 02:09.04 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:09.56 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: If it goes really wrong - fall back on skills developed through http://xkcd.com/337/ |
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| 02:10.43 | fureddo | What's the standard keyboard accelerator to quit an application on Fremantle's applications? |
| 02:11.23 | GeneralAntilles | There isn't one. |
| 02:11.31 | solarion | uh-oh |
| 02:11.45 | GeneralAntilles | ctrl-backspace and tap X. |
| 02:11.57 | solarion | news just said hand sanitizer is 60% alcohol and that it's flammable |
| 02:11.59 | solarion | :) |
| 02:12.20 | pupnik_ | awesome SpeedEvil |
| 02:12.27 | pupnik_ | http://xkcd.com/337/ |
| 02:12.33 | pupnik_ | scary stories |
| 02:12.35 | fureddo | GeneralAntilles, So there are 2 standard keyboard accelerators to quit? |
| 02:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | Um, no? |
| 02:12.52 | GeneralAntilles | There are no _shortcuts_ to quit. |
| 02:13.11 | fureddo | GeneralAntilles, Ah! Ok, then. |
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| 03:37.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, Addison, classy as usualy. |
| 03:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | s/ly/l/ |
| 03:38.55 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: What is he doing now? lol |
| 03:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=358738#post358738 |
| 03:40.01 | zerojay | Can themes also change ringtones? |
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| 03:55.07 | esaym153 | anyway to adjust how quickly the n810 adjusts the backlight to changing light conditions? At default it seems slow to change the light output... |
| 03:58.11 | pupnik_ | good question |
| 03:59.27 | Xisdibik | do any of you linux savvy people know what this means? :) http://pastebin.com/d477f5565 |
| 04:02.05 | pupnik_ | what are you doing to that poor n900 |
| 04:02.50 | pupnik_ | ? |
| 04:03.00 | Xisdibik | wasnt in n900 |
| 04:03.06 | Xisdibik | was trying to boot a Fedora 12 beta live USB ;) |
| 04:03.24 | Xisdibik | but i like you guys better so i asked here ;) |
| 04:04.02 | pupnik_ | ah, thanks |
| 04:04.02 | pupnik_ | just as confused now, but not caring |
| 04:04.02 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 04:04.02 | Xisdibik | :) |
| 04:04.56 | tarek__ | Hey, are there any chances the USB host mode can be enabled on the n900? |
| 04:05.07 | pupnik_ | no |
| 04:05.23 | tarek__ | :( |
| 04:05.39 | pupnik_ | but maybe workaround with a powered hub |
| 04:05.45 | pupnik_ | not sure bout that |
| 04:06.01 | Xisdibik | well maybe they are enabling it with the extra month they have our precious phones? :( |
| 04:06.11 | tarek__ | I hope so |
| 04:06.56 | tarek__ | I can't wait anymore :D |
| 04:06.56 | Xisdibik | that and a true compass: D |
| 04:07.07 | pupnik_ | would you rather deal with a seperate power plug and no usb charging - to get host mode? |
| 04:07.32 | tarek__ | I want the whole package :D |
| 04:07.56 | pupnik_ | then next device may need two usb ports, one for trickle charging, the other for host mode. from what i read. |
| 04:08.11 | pupnik_ | s/trickle// |
| 04:08.14 | Xisdibik | pupnik_: if they have a USB to proprietary power plug adapter then sure |
| 04:08.30 | Xisdibik | or two usb ports |
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| 04:09.11 | pupnik_ | they might be able to violate usb spec and allow both charging and host mode someday |
| 04:09.19 | pupnik_ | but nokia can't hand-roll all their parts |
| 04:09.39 | pupnik_ | micro-usb or smth |
| 04:09.55 | pupnik_ | i'm just parroting what i read recently so don't quote me |
| 04:10.07 | Xisdibik | im actualy not caring that much about host mode |
| 04:10.13 | Xisdibik | i havnt ever thought of a situation i need it |
| 04:10.29 | Xisdibik | I guess im not as hardcore as the rest of you guys ;) |
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| 04:11.13 | pupnik_ | it does cut down on the swiss army knife factor |
| 04:11.37 | pupnik_ | but the device includes so much already.. |
| 04:12.01 | pupnik_ | but for e.g. you could do kickbutt multichannel recording with the 3430 speed |
| 04:12.15 | pupnik_ | with a nice external adc box with own battery power |
| 04:12.24 | pupnik_ | something by apogee perhaps |
| 04:12.37 | pupnik_ | and the recording studio goes with you on lunch break |
| 04:12.38 | pupnik_ | genius |
| 04:12.45 | pupnik_ | except, no. oops. no host mode. |
| 04:13.54 | Xisdibik | but do i do kickbutt multichannel recordings? |
| 04:14.05 | Xisdibik | in all honesty i dont even know half of what you said :) |
| 04:14.24 | pupnik_ | it would be a niche application that rapidly-developed maemo app could fill perfectly |
| 04:14.47 | pupnik_ | e.g. ovi store. and pay to heat my butt in winter. |
| 04:15.31 | pupnik_ | tellin ya, recording engineers would enjoy this clutter ui and slidey things |
| 04:16.15 | pupnik_ | not something they'd need to pull out the stylus to use |
| 04:16.16 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 04:17.58 | Xisdibik | is anyone here super familiar with Conky the sysinfo program |
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| 04:19.40 | tarek__ | seems not |
| 04:19.57 | Xisdibik | thats fine :) |
| 04:20.01 | tarek__ | I used it some time ago |
| 04:20.27 | tarek__ | but I don't consider myself a super familiar. or even familiar |
| 04:20.27 | Xisdibik | i cant seem to find online, or through people i know who use it, if it supports unicode text (specifically for asian character's being displayed) |
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| 04:21.11 | tarek__ | I would like to know if it supports arabic too :) |
| 04:24.18 | Xisdibik | :) |
| 04:24.25 | Xisdibik | well ill try to remember to let you know if i ever find out |
| 04:24.53 | tarek__ | thanks |
| 04:28.42 | Xisdibik | id be curious to see if someone can port over iBus to maemo |
| 04:28.49 | Xisdibik | would be awesome for typing in other languages |
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| 04:31.46 | tarek__ | you made me notice something |
| 04:31.47 | tarek__ | bad |
| 04:31.52 | tarek__ | awful |
| 04:32.30 | tarek__ | the device might not be released in egypt (my country) due to lack of arabic support! |
| 04:32.40 | tarek__ | now i'll panic |
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| 04:37.52 | timeless_mbp | tarek__: define lack of arabic support |
| 04:38.47 | timeless_mbp | note that the original target markets for the n900 clearly do not include countries w/ RTL or Ruby requirements |
| 04:41.44 | tank-man | too good to be true? -> NOKIA N900 NEW QUAD BAND GSM UNLOCKED Call me for pick up - $375 http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/mob/1425215392.html |
| 04:42.09 | timeless_mbp | that said, more testing has been done for RTL support w/ the n900 than i expected (i was actually surprised that we did any testing at all) |
| 04:42.52 | timeless_mbp | tank-man: odd |
| 04:43.06 | tarek__ | arabic is not in the lang specs. Neither is any other RTL like you said |
| 04:43.21 | Xisdibik | tank-man: maybe a prototype/ |
| 04:43.32 | tank-man | last line sound sarcastic tho "Please call me and tell me exactly when to take my day off from work so i can show you the phone." |
| 04:43.50 | Xisdibik | tarek__: just learn english and teach egypt english, then your set ;) |
| 04:44.07 | Xisdibik | imho thats a small sacrifice for a n900 |
| 04:44.25 | timeless_mbp | is egypt one of those funny countries w/ rules about devices w/ integrated gps? |
| 04:44.58 | Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: did you happen to read the thing i mentioned about ibus, do you think it would even be remotely possible to do? |
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| 04:45.23 | tarek__ | Egypt used to ban gps, but not anymore |
| 04:46.02 | tarek__ | And I always thought that was funny |
| 04:46.07 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 04:46.23 | tarek__ | and I speak English quite good :) |
| 04:46.38 | timeless_mbp | anyway, my vague impression is that we were not actively targeting the middle east with this device |
| 04:46.58 | timeless_mbp | but some groups filed bugs against the browser complaining about its handling of RTL pages |
| 04:47.27 | Xisdibik | by the way, whats RTL stand for> |
| 04:47.29 | timeless_mbp | i can't remember if we fixed the relevant bugs, but i'd expect that if we get a chance to update the browser, we will fix the one main bug |
| 04:47.33 | timeless_mbp | Right-to-Left |
| 04:47.34 | tarek__ | right to left? |
| 04:47.35 | Xisdibik | ah |
| 04:47.43 | timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: you write sentences from Left-to-Right |
| 04:47.54 | Xisdibik | only because they make me! |
| 04:47.57 | timeless_mbp | in the Middle East, most languages are written the other way around |
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| 04:48.12 | timeless_mbp | It makes for fun problems |
| 04:48.16 | pupnik_ | us pentagon investing more heavily in occupation technology |
| 04:48.26 | pupnik_ | wrong chan dammit! |
| 04:48.32 | Xisdibik | i can see that being an issue timeless_mbp :) |
| 04:48.38 | Xisdibik | how about my question :D |
| 04:48.45 | timeless_mbp | i think i was sleeping :) |
| 04:49.07 | Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: did you happen to read the thing i mentioned about ibus, do you think it would even be remotely possible to do? |
| 04:49.09 | timeless_mbp | what is ibus? |
| 04:49.11 | Xisdibik | there it is for you again ;) |
| 04:49.18 | Xisdibik | its like SCIM, or microsofts IME |
| 04:49.20 | timeless_mbp | no, i was sleeping the first time you mentioned it |
| 04:50.04 | timeless_mbp | sorry, and what do you want to do, plug in an IME that actually works? |
| 04:50.05 | Xisdibik | the japanese one works extremely well, sofar as well as microsofts IME |
| 04:50.20 | Xisdibik | well it allows me to type in japanese using an english keyboard |
| 04:50.44 | Xisdibik | like so: ããã°ãã |
| 04:50.44 | timeless_mbp | my favorite oddity about our platform is that we've internally had a fairly good IME for chinese iirc |
| 04:50.56 | timeless_mbp | but we never shipped it |
| 04:51.02 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 04:51.05 | timeless_mbp | this dates to maemo 1 iiuc |
| 04:51.14 | Xisdibik | well take a look at ibus |
| 04:51.17 | Xisdibik | its very handy |
| 04:51.23 | Xisdibik | not many dependancies either |
| 04:51.30 | timeless_mbp | this is unlike rtl, where most of the apps had no testing until recently |
| 04:51.33 | Xisdibik | and i know theres at least a QT4 module for it |
| 04:52.01 | timeless_mbp | tarek__: if i were management, and i'm not |
| 04:52.31 | timeless_mbp | i'd look around and say "ooh, Qt claims to have great RTL support, we can magically ship a Qt based product to RTL countries" |
| 04:52.38 | timeless_mbp | (totally bogus logic) |
| 04:53.01 | timeless_mbp | it's probably worth noting that the user guide for the n810 was also available in arabic |
| 04:53.08 | timeless_mbp | never quite figured out why |
| 04:53.09 | Xisdibik | heh |
| 04:53.12 | tarek__ | well I don't really need the RTL support |
| 04:53.17 | tarek__ | I just want the phone |
| 04:53.28 | timeless_mbp | then you don't have a problem :) |
| 04:53.30 | Xisdibik | tarek___ does arabic have a way of writing arabic using english or latin characters? |
| 04:53.37 | tarek__ | yes |
| 04:53.39 | timeless_mbp | Xisdibik: yes |
| 04:53.46 | Xisdibik | can you write a sample word for me? |
| 04:53.48 | timeless_mbp | but i'm not sure what portion of the population can deal w/ it |
| 04:54.00 | timeless_mbp | there's one or two countries which actually went that way |
| 04:54.01 | tarek__ | a7med |
| 04:54.28 | timeless_mbp | is too asleep to remember which/where |
| 04:54.37 | tarek__ | it's a mix between letters and numbers |
| 04:54.44 | Xisdibik | i see |
| 04:54.54 | Xisdibik | unfortauntely i just checked the microsoft IME and they dont have arabic :( |
| 04:54.55 | tarek__ | it's used in all of the middle east |
| 04:55.00 | Xisdibik | i was going to test it out :( |
| 04:55.12 | Xisdibik | i guess i can just try the arabic (101) keyboard layout |
| 04:55.39 | Xisdibik | ش7ةث٠|
| 04:55.43 | Xisdibik | nope |
| 04:55.43 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 04:55.58 | tarek__ | there is microsoft marine that does transliteration to arabic letters from this way of writing |
| 04:56.09 | timeless_mbp | "marine"? |
| 04:57.02 | tarek__ | and maren |
| 04:57.03 | tarek__ | sorry |
| 04:57.06 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 04:57.17 | timeless_mbp | have people tried (ms) seadragon on their n900? |
| 04:57.20 | tarek__ | google does that too |
| 04:57.32 | Xisdibik | whats seadragon? |
| 04:57.41 | Xisdibik | and send me my n900 and maybe i will ;) |
| 04:58.13 | timeless_mbp | seadragon.com |
| 05:00.02 | Xisdibik | interesting |
| 05:00.06 | tarek__ | timeless_mbp: are you in the maemo development? |
| 05:00.15 | tank-man | that seadragon is so slow on my desktop |
| 05:00.20 | timeless_mbp | i work on the browser for maemo, yes |
| 05:00.24 | timeless_mbp | tank-man: heh |
| 05:01.00 | tarek__ | so you're in mozilla too |
| 05:01.01 | tarek__ | that's nice |
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| 05:03.35 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 05:03.35 | timeless_mbp | sings 1600 bugmails on the wall ... take one down, read it around, ... 1599 bugmails on the wall |
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| 05:04.27 | tarek__ | got to go now |
| 05:04.36 | tarek__ | ttyl |
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| 05:06.41 | GAN900 | <3 Comcast |
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| 05:07.04 | Flandry | crunch:~$ /opt/scratchbox/login |
| 05:07.04 | Flandry | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up |
| 05:07.34 | Flandry | you've got to be kidding me |
| 05:07.55 | Flandry | that's the third time the sdk has self destructed |
| 05:08.12 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 05:08.18 | timeless_mbp | takes away Flandry 's license |
| 05:08.31 | timeless_mbp | get a vm, and use baselines |
| 05:08.33 | Flandry | take away Nokia's license |
| 05:09.07 | Flandry | there's just no excuse for a dev platform that dies every 24 hours |
| 05:09.31 | lcuk | extreme programming. get it done, the clock is ticking |
| 05:09.56 | Flandry | oh i see, it's a feature, not a bug :P |
| 05:09.57 | timeless_mbp | you're the first and only person i've heard of with a disintegrating scratchbox |
| 05:10.07 | lcuk | no, hes not |
| 05:10.13 | timeless_mbp | nah, lcuk 's practicing to join the marketing team |
| 05:10.48 | lcuk | i just woke up to find my sdk has orange light |
| 05:11.30 | lcuk | timeless, think positive about everything :P |
| 05:11.46 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: are you testing my strings? :) |
| 05:11.55 | zerojay | Flandry: You're doing something to kill it. I'd like to know what. |
| 05:11.58 | timeless_mbp | i'm positive you could help me improve their quality if you tried |
| 05:12.03 | lcuk | i was sleeping until 2 minutes ago |
| 05:12.20 | timeless_mbp | it's ok, you don't have to test them while you sleep |
| 05:12.30 | lcuk | i agree, i can give you a hand tomorrow properly after im done with fam stuff |
| 05:12.51 | lcuk | i think i sussed the rgb cover screen for liqbase |
| 05:13.07 | lcuk | it takes about 0.75 seconds to convert YUV overlay image into an x11 pixmap |
| 05:13.16 | Flandry | i don't know what i could be doing different than everyone else |
| 05:13.18 | lcuk | im gonna push that onto the window, and close the overlay |
| 05:13.29 | lcuk | if i can startup my sdk |
| 05:13.53 | Flandry | this time around, i realized that the audio in SDK had died somewher along the way |
| 05:14.03 | Flandry | so i rebooted the system |
| 05:14.05 | lcuk | theres audio? |
| 05:14.09 | Flandry | scratchbox dead... |
| 05:14.17 | Flandry | yup |
| 05:14.29 | timeless_mbp | how did you reboot? |
| 05:14.36 | Flandry | lol |
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| 05:14.57 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i don't trust you |
| 05:14.58 | Flandry | i pushed the any key |
| 05:15.12 | Flandry | obviously |
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| 05:19.24 | lcuk | how curious |
| 05:19.56 | lcuk | sleeps |
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| 05:21.09 | johnx | mornin' |
| 05:22.11 | timeless_mbp | hello |
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| 05:35.39 | johnx | cvandonderen, as in battery drains twice as fast? |
| 05:35.47 | cvandonderen | johnx: yup |
| 05:35.49 | johnx | if that is the case it would explain my experience today |
| 05:36.09 | cvandonderen | I think libpurple0 is doing some weird stuff |
| 05:36.32 | cvandonderen | because I was even set to 'offline avaliability' |
| 05:36.52 | cvandonderen | and still it drained like crazy and I didn't instal anything else |
| 05:41.23 | RST38h | uninstall it and see |
| 05:41.26 | RST38h | heya johnx |
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| 05:42.51 | johnx | hey RST38h |
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| 05:44.25 | pupnik_ | or website - might be fun to share use profiles as long as no privdata were shared |
| 05:45.04 | pupnik_ | opt-in collect powertop type stats |
| 05:45.05 | johnx | cvandonderen, there's another update available today. I'm going to try installing that and see if it helps :) |
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| 05:47.12 | jaem | evening folks |
| 05:47.14 | luke-jr | pupnik_: wouldn't the MMC for logging increase the power use? |
| 05:47.46 | johnx | luke-jr, if it was done intelligently the increase would be trivial |
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| 05:49.35 | jaem | any chance someone with an SDK install could build me a binary of $arbitrary serial terminal for Diablo? I don't need it packaged or anything fancy, but I won't have access to my build box in time for a project deadline |
| 05:49.49 | jaem | minicom or something would work |
| 05:49.57 | luke-jr | johnx: if things were done intelligently, KDE 4.3 would use 32 MB RAM at most |
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| 05:50.18 | johnx | luke-jr, apples and oranges |
| 05:50.22 | cvandonderen | johnx: which update? |
| 05:50.36 | cvandonderen | libpurple0 is still the one from 24-10-09 |
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| 05:52.39 | johnx | i was thinking the account plugin haze was new, but it's actually just not installable for me :/ |
| 05:53.07 | cvandonderen | hmm |
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| 05:53.28 | cvandonderen | well, 24/7 charging for me then till the update comse :-P |
| 05:53.31 | cvandonderen | *comes |
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| 06:12.04 | RST38h | johnx: there is a cross-dependency problewm |
| 06:12.18 | RST38h | johnx: You have to remove haze and idle first, then install the new versions |
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| 06:35.00 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, guessed that :) |
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| 06:43.39 | wazd | mornin' everybody |
| 06:43.49 | jaem | hi, wazd |
| 06:44.10 | tekojo | morning |
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| 06:49.10 | timeless_mbp | pokes people |
| 06:49.13 | timeless_mbp | wants testers |
| 06:49.18 | jaem | person is poked |
| 06:49.21 | jaem | oh? |
| 06:49.24 | jaem | for what? |
| 06:49.28 | timeless_mbp | translation |
| 06:49.40 | jaem | requirements for testing? |
| 06:49.44 | timeless_mbp | n900 |
| 06:49.52 | jaem | not yet! |
| 06:50.02 | timeless_mbp | you could test the tool on an n8x0 |
| 06:50.05 | timeless_mbp | (or mer) |
| 06:50.06 | jaem | okay, sure |
| 06:55.45 | tekojo | timeless_mbp what tool, you got me interested if it's on-device |
| 06:56.02 | timeless_mbp | it is |
| 06:57.23 | tekojo | Ok, I can be a guinea pig |
| 06:58.17 | timeless_mbp | woohoo :) |
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| 06:58.39 | timeless_mbp | note that you guys get to be guinea pigs for the streamlined version of things |
| 06:58.42 | timeless_mbp | well, at least tekojo |
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| 07:04.56 | _Pete_ | howdy! |
| 07:05.23 | _Pete_ | what I need to do to enable ssh-logins via my wlan-network where n900 is connected to? |
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| 07:07.52 | timeless_mbp | openssh-server ? |
| 07:08.02 | _Pete_ | it has that |
| 07:08.17 | _Pete_ | and is in rd mode |
| 07:08.21 | timeless_mbp | you don't really want to use rd mode |
| 07:08.34 | _Pete_ | logins work via usb-network but when connected to wlan not even ping passes between desktop<->n900 |
| 07:08.37 | _Pete_ | I do since I develop for n900 |
| 07:09.03 | timeless_mbp | doesn't use usb networking |
| 07:09.12 | timeless_mbp | you probably need to fiddle w/ routing |
| 07:09.23 | timeless_mbp | iirc there's a package to help w/ that |
| 07:09.32 | Corsac | hey there |
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| 07:11.11 | _Pete_ | timeless_mbp: ic, any hints about packagename ? |
| 07:11.53 | timeless_mbp | pc connectivity perhaps? |
| 07:11.54 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 07:12.03 | timeless_mbp | would suggest using WiFi to connect desktop to n900 |
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| 07:27.19 | Passeli | _Pete_: maemo-pc-connectivity |
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| 07:31.53 | _Pete_ | Passeli: thx |
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| 07:58.50 | _Pete_ | Passeli: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/pc_connectivity/ ? |
| 07:59.04 | _Pete_ | that only speaks setting usb-network, which already wors |
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| 08:15.28 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:16.00 | hrw | question: does application manager in fremantle allows to select few packages to install? |
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| 08:17.48 | yigal | man maemo has changed so much since the n900, maemo is so much better than Android I hope people see that truth, man i'm drunk :) |
| 08:18.26 | Passeli | _Pete_: http://pc-connectivity.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html |
| 08:19.42 | qwerty12_N810 | hrw: Hiya. Nope, it's still in true Maemo style: one package at a time :-) |
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| 08:21.41 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:21.48 | hrw | qwerty12_N810: crap |
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| 08:22.24 | yigal | morning wow that elicited quite an outburst from hrw :) |
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| 08:28.01 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-py2deb/ <<--- make me feeling that it ll be simpler to make my own repository and my own bugtracker ? back to the time when we got many repository ? |
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| 08:28.29 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/python2.5-py2deb/0.5.1-2/ |
| 08:29.45 | Khertan | jeremiah: hi, are you here ? |
| 08:30.05 | X-Fade | Khertan: just ping andre to create you a component in bugzilla? |
| 08:31.09 | Khertan | X-Fade: hum ... and does i need to ping it every time i made a new version to create it too ? |
| 08:31.15 | hrw | yigal: ;D |
| 08:31.33 | hrw | maemo still has python 2.5.x not 2.6.x? |
| 08:31.40 | Khertan | hrw: yep |
| 08:31.46 | hrw | :( |
| 08:31.51 | Khertan | same |
| 08:32.32 | hrw | the worst thing is that "maemo is based on Debian" but is not compatible with any release of Debian rather |
| 08:33.42 | Khertan | hrw: did you want to have a outdated system ? </troll> |
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| 08:34.14 | hrw | Khertan: maemo is outdated. none of my Debian setups are |
| 08:34.50 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:35.16 | dottedmag | that's why Slind did not say anything about Debian, and IPlinux says "inspired", not "based on". |
| 08:35.48 | dottedmag | ah, Slind said "Debian-influenced" :) |
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| 08:52.26 | Jaffa | Khertan: I believe you can manage your own versions. However, I think `XSBC-Bugtracker: mailto:khertan@khertan.com' should be valid. The "specification" says URL; it doesn't specify it has to be HTTP ;-) |
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| 08:53.13 | X-Fade | Yes, any url should be valid. |
| 08:53.26 | X-Fade | Although it defeats the purpose a bit. |
| 08:53.42 | qwerty12_N810 | XSBC-Bugtracker: www.goatse.cz |
| 08:56.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Well, the purpose wasn't fully defined ever; and the fieldname itself is inconsistent with the other Maemo-specific fields. It should be XB-Maemo-Bugtracker (probably; not sure we need it in S & C) |
| 08:56.45 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: That's a hostname, not a URL ;-p |
| 08:56.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Gah! |
| 08:57.06 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The idea was to be able to use it in Debian and Ubuntu too. |
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| 08:57.49 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Lead by example :) |
| 08:58.00 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Having a bug tracker as a MUST requirement for Extrras doesn't make sense for everything IMHO. Especially since the *really* trivial things can have comments left against a specific version & build on the packages UI |
| 08:58.10 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Was it discussed with Debian & Ubuntu? ;-) |
| 08:58.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Discuss the bugtracker requirement on the list? |
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| 09:00.33 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I've put it on the Talk: wiki page for it. We seem to be spreading out the topics even more with the mailing lists, brainstorm, talk and wiki pages. |
| 09:00.45 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, wiki page is fine. |
| 09:00.56 | petur | eek.. it looks like vdv100 has his gmail account hacked :/ |
| 09:01.11 | Jaffa | petur: Yeah, I was seeing if he was here to poke VDVsx |
| 09:01.13 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Quim just created a first draft, now is the time to discuss. |
| 09:02.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm not actually seeing any discussion, though. Bit of a black hole (perhaps I should push harder or I'm just too busy elsewhere to notice) |
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| 09:03.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That is where you can help ;) |
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| 09:04.19 | jeremiah | I think debian already has a Bug tracker URL in control, but it is optional |
| 09:04.49 | X-Fade | jeremiah: couldn't find anything before I suggested the current one. |
| 09:05.33 | jeremiah | Well, there are URLs for 'upstream' and 'VCS' |
| 09:05.45 | jeremiah | But perhaps not specifically bugs now that I think about it. |
| 09:06.15 | X-Fade | jeremiah: Yeah, the VCS ones are something we should also support in the future. |
| 09:06.21 | X-Fade | That would be a nice thing to have. |
| 09:06.32 | fatal^ | could probably spread some light on how the debian bts works if you really want to know..... not sure exactly which detail you're discussing though. |
| 09:06.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Writing -developers email |
| 09:06.44 | jeremiah | Although often this field Homepage: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Module-Starter/ |
| 09:06.51 | jeremiah | leads to a bug tracker |
| 09:07.00 | X-Fade | jeremiah: Homepage is supported already. |
| 09:07.19 | jeremiah | cool |
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| 09:07.48 | jeremiah | I didn't know that, maybe that should be a minimae check |
| 09:07.54 | jeremiah | Or do you check for it? |
| 09:08.07 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I fixed the issue which caused the Vim icon not to show btw. |
| 09:08.27 | X-Fade | jeremiah: It is not required. |
| 09:09.11 | jeremiah | ah, okay |
| 09:09.23 | Khertan | X-Fade: i see that the py2deb and homeip icon is show too in package testing queue list |
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| 09:09.42 | X-Fade | Khertan: Yeah, all icons should work now. |
| 09:10.30 | X-Fade | Even the external ones ;) http://maemo.org/packages/view/bounce/ |
| 09:10.39 | Khertan | X-Fade: i think this is because my icon wasn't in png but in jpg ... yes i know but image application in n900 doesn't allow to save image in png as it does in Maemo4 |
| 09:11.52 | Khertan | s/wasn't/aren't |
| 09:11.59 | X-Fade | Khertan: jpgs should also work. |
| 09:12.03 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 09:12.13 | X-Fade | Khertan: Although png is preferred. |
| 09:12.31 | Khertan | X-Fade: it s works ... but yep it s lack of transparency |
| 09:12.40 | Khertan | (due to jpg) |
| 09:13.00 | X-Fade | Yep, that is why you should use png if you want to do anything fancy ;) |
| 09:13.06 | Khertan | yep |
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| 09:17.33 | hrw | http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/10/27/qgraphicsview-is-a-hummer-plasma-is-the-luxury-version/ |
| 09:19.04 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool. |
| 09:19.08 | Jaffa | (on the vim icon) |
| 09:19.47 | Jaffa | vim only has 5 thumbs up: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/vim/7.2-0maemo5 :-/ |
| 09:20.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Everybody else is Emacs fan? :) |
| 09:21.32 | Corsac | can I thumb up without having the stuff? :) |
| 09:22.24 | Jaffa | Corsac: No, you should thumb up after testing the application |
| 09:23.05 | hrw | Jaffa: it is 7.2 or 7.2 with all update patches? |
| 09:24.54 | Corsac | Jaffa: ok, count me in when/if I have one ;p |
| 09:25.28 | Corsac | an advance on thumb :/ |
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| 09:28.41 | Jaffa | hrw: It's 7.2 from the upstream tarball |
| 09:28.50 | wazd | VDVsx - old dirty spammer :) |
| 09:30.14 | petur | s/old// |
| 09:32.14 | hrw | Jaffa: so it is old. thumb down |
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| 09:32.41 | Jaffa | hrw: Old has nothing to do with the QA checklist. Upgrade is a feature request. |
| 09:32.43 | qwerty12_N810 | gets the popcorn ready for the smackdown |
| 09:32.51 | hrw | qwerty12_N810: ;D |
| 09:34.48 | Jaffa | hrw: Feel free to email the maintainers with which updates you want (I assume from http://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/patches/7.2/) |
| 09:35.42 | Jaffa | hrw: I suppose it would be trivial to dump all those patches into mud-builder/packages/vim.pkg/patches/ |
| 09:35.59 | hrw | Jaffa: probably. will wait anyway until n900 in hands |
| 09:36.15 | hrw | for n810 I do not use anything other then mediaplayer |
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| 10:29.58 | anidel | good morning |
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| 11:08.40 | lardman | lcuk: pvrtune might be what you're after for the PowerVR re top |
| 11:09.11 | lardman | http://www.imgtec.com/pvrnewsletter/PowerVR_Insider_Issue12_Oct09.pdf quite interesting |
| 11:12.26 | kulve | " his |
| 11:12.26 | kulve | utility is only available under NDA. |
| 11:12.29 | kulve | " |
| 11:12.40 | lardman | indeed |
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| 11:21.06 | lardman | does the fact that dragging a desktop shortcut enables the edit mode drive other people mad? |
| 11:21.29 | lardman | I can never seem to start the phone app when I'm walking along, instead it thinks I want to move icons. |
| 11:23.12 | X-Fade | lardman: Enable turning detection? |
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| 11:25.27 | anidel | or press power-button -> phone |
| 11:25.29 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Don't use the phone functionality? |
| 11:25.42 | anidel | didn't know that dragging an icon would enable edit! never happened to me |
| 11:26.01 | anidel | qwerty then it'd be a very expensive tablet |
| 11:26.05 | X-Fade | anidel: It doesn't, but clicking on the desktop does. |
| 11:26.19 | anidel | ah on an empty space.. that is it |
| 11:26.20 | X-Fade | So if you click next to the icon, you get this. |
| 11:26.36 | X-Fade | Fat finger syndrom ;) |
| 11:27.15 | anidel | ehe |
| 11:27.43 | anidel | qwerty but using the N900 with a data only SIM card + a normal phone.. would be an ideal solution :) |
| 11:27.45 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman; it all fits... |
| 11:27.56 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: Hehe :) |
| 11:29.06 | ccooke | I actually *like* the n900 as a phone |
| 11:29.16 | ccooke | it seems to have been designed to streamline the things I do most often |
| 11:29.35 | ccooke | there are things I'd want to improve on, but... |
| 11:33.50 | anidel | qwerty actually is not a bad idea.. I always liked the idea of a Internet Tablet that is not a phone |
| 11:34.57 | qwerty12_N810 | I would've once agreed with that but now, I can't help but feel that having the phone functionality is very useful |
| 11:36.32 | zerojay | same here. |
| 11:36.55 | SpeedEvil | qwerty is a horrible idea. I wonder what a keyboard optimised for error recovery would look like. |
| 11:36.57 | anidel | qwerty: I don't.. it's cramped in features and slowish. When I get a call with a keyboard open I tend to close the keyboard, this makes Phone app to rotate.. in the meanwhile I can't answer. |
| 11:37.04 | anidel | I should answer first then close and speak |
| 11:37.30 | SpeedEvil | Or more sanely, it would make the phone app answer |
| 11:37.45 | anidel | and the way I use it.. always... the battery doesn't last long :) so.. |
| 11:38.02 | anidel | having a small phone for actuall GSM calls would be nice .. to me at least |
| 11:38.14 | X-Fade | anidel: bt headset. |
| 11:38.24 | SpeedEvil | I have a nk3330, that you can buy for only 49.99! |
| 11:38.27 | anidel | x-fade so to kill the battery even more ? :) |
| 11:38.38 | X-Fade | anidel: No need to even touch your phone in that case. |
| 11:38.46 | anidel | I should use the provided headsets.. but I don't really use them that much.. |
| 11:38.59 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: Grr, I still remember the horrible phone you had when we met, so I can't take your opinion seriously, sorry :p |
| 11:39.09 | anidel | qwerty: sold out :) |
| 11:39.23 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
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| 11:39.35 | anidel | qwerty: in this case I wouldn't use that phone.. but a regular phone just for calls and few things more :) not a 'smartphone' |
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| 11:39.49 | anidel | anwyay.. I'm just thinking out loud here :) |
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| 11:40.23 | anidel | but I'm liking this idea.. only issue, I have a contract already with vodafone :) can't remove the internet from there and have a mobile broadband contract |
| 11:40.38 | SpeedEvil | anidel: you're in the UK? |
| 11:40.40 | SpeedEvil | I forgot. |
| 11:40.41 | hendry | what's the most uptodate kernel build availible for diablo? i need newer features than 2.6.21 |
| 11:41.00 | anidel | speedevil: yep I am |
| 11:41.31 | SpeedEvil | anidel: Well - there is the option of a free contract - with cashback |
| 11:42.02 | SpeedEvil | anidel: http://www.onecompare.com/buy-a-mobile-phone/best-mobile-phone-deals.asp?skn=moneysavingexpert&SearchID=1220181&manufacturer=&model= |
| 11:42.30 | SpeedEvil | anidel: these offer cashback deals that pay the rental on your phone, if you complete the forms right. They are intentionally easy to get wrong. |
| 11:42.59 | anidel | let me see what is that |
| 11:43.04 | SpeedEvil | But it means that you can have a 35 quid/month contract free, if you complete the steps as stipulated. |
| 11:43.52 | anidel | but I already pay for my Internet :) well it's only 5 £ a month |
| 11:43.54 | anidel | but still |
| 11:44.13 | anidel | we'll have a look though |
| 11:44.17 | SpeedEvil | select how I use my phone, enter minutes and stuff. then click update my results, select something like a nokia 1208 |
| 11:44.19 | anidel | but it says: There are no more deals to display. |
| 11:44.48 | anidel | ah ok |
| 11:45.28 | SpeedEvil | The web and walk internet option is 1G/mo |
| 11:46.02 | anidel | how these work? |
| 11:46.15 | anidel | where do they get their money from? |
| 11:46.24 | SpeedEvil | The network pays a considerable fe to vendors to get new subs. |
| 11:46.34 | SpeedEvil | In the hope that the subs will continue on the network |
| 11:47.03 | SpeedEvil | That, and the fact that it's made intentionally difficult to claim in some of them - you have to send multiple things by post by deadline dates. |
| 11:47.09 | SpeedEvil | So many people forget |
| 11:47.16 | anidel | and pay |
| 11:47.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:48.23 | SpeedEvil | And of course, you'll need to PAC out at the end of the term if you want to keep the number |
| 11:48.33 | SpeedEvil | (and not pay the ongoing fee) |
| 11:49.30 | anidel | right.. |
| 11:50.07 | SpeedEvil | It's a hastle. But it's also the thick end of 300 quid. |
| 11:50.12 | Suurorca | talk about nice and simple... |
| 11:52.25 | anidel | :) |
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| 12:15.00 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdkwEipL9SI <- ok, now THAT is oldschool :D |
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| 12:20.01 | Flyser_ | Which bootloader will the N900 use? |
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| 12:20.39 | Stskeeps | probably nokias own |
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| 12:24.49 | hrw | nolo again? |
| 12:25.11 | hrw | I hope that this time I will get good bootloader not the buggy one which was in n810 |
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| 12:26.25 | wazd | Suddenly I've received a strange mental wave from the Universe and now I can make DHTML markups on the fly :) |
| 12:26.45 | wazd | Can hez Qt wave plz? :) |
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| 12:30.06 | Khertan | No space left on device ... |
| 12:30.08 | Khertan | gurk .... |
| 12:30.18 | Khertan | apt-get install pyside-gui |
| 12:30.38 | X-Fade | Khertan: not optified. |
| 12:30.44 | Khertan | still think that doing a so small / partition is a bad idea |
| 12:31.07 | Khertan | X-Fade: there so few things which is optified |
| 12:31.19 | X-Fade | Khertan: root is fast storage. Big storage is a bit slower. |
| 12:31.43 | Khertan | X-Fade: yes ... but what is power/fast when you can't use it |
| 12:31.47 | Khertan | :) |
| 12:32.04 | pablo_ | hi guys, i created a .deb using Qt4-x11 but doesnt work.....appears this error .. Segmentation fault (core dumped) ...any Idea? |
| 12:32.23 | X-Fade | It just means that the frequently used system libs shoud be there. Not everything but the kitchen sink. |
| 12:33.30 | RST38h | moo wazd, Khertan, X-Fade |
| 12:33.37 | Khertan | X-Fade: at least ... qt isn't small ... |
| 12:33.54 | Khertan | but frequenlty used libs |
| 12:34.04 | Flandry | i wonder if corrupted packages is the reason for my sdk env dying over and over |
| 12:34.06 | RST38h | hits wazd with a large green QObject |
| 12:34.07 | X-Fade | Khertan: Yes, but pyside itself isn't. |
| 12:34.08 | Flandry | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc37c7c77xxxxxxxx/nokia-binaries/o/osso-countries-l10n/osso-countries-l10n-fifi_6.0+r6883+0m5_all.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80] |
| 12:34.08 | Flandry | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
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| 12:35.46 | X-Fade | Flandry: Intermittend problem? |
| 12:36.21 | X-Fade | s/d/t/ |
| 12:36.45 | X-Fade | Hmm infobot doesn't like to replace only one char ;) |
| 12:36.48 | Flandry | lol |
| 12:36.58 | wazd | RST38h: no, nothing changed, hit again :) |
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| 12:37.35 | X-Fade | Flandry: Anyway, what I wanted to ask is if this is happening every time? |
| 12:37.40 | garbeam | how can I get a kernel stack trace in diablo, my kernel crashes for some reason |
| 12:38.03 | Flandry | it happened yesterday during my third install |
| 12:38.11 | Flandry | i didn't watch as closely before that |
| 12:38.29 | Flandry | so i gave the same apt-get install command again and it seemed to complete |
| 12:38.38 | Flandry | but i don't know how well it recovers |
| 12:38.42 | X-Fade | Flandry: Looks like a temporary server issue in one of the massive number of caching servers. |
| 12:41.19 | Flandry | well 3/3 times i've been watching (binaries,apps last time and binaries so far for today) it has occurred once during each install |
| 12:41.30 | garbeam | is it just me or is wiki.maemo.org broken? |
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| 12:41.51 | garbeam | I cannot access http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Debugging_Guide |
| 12:41.57 | garbeam | this sucks |
| 12:42.19 | Flandry | and the sdk has died three times, so i'd really like to figure out what's wrong so every time people don't tell me i'm doing something wrong |
| 12:44.24 | lcuk | Flandry, does your hard drive have corruptions |
| 12:44.34 | lcuk | or are you trying to do odd things with it |
| 12:46.13 | Flandry | the second time it died there was a cycle in the /scratchbox tree |
| 12:46.46 | Flandry | so i used a different partition |
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| 12:47.23 | Flandry | do you ask because that's a known outcome, or just a likely cause? |
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| 12:48.08 | Flandry | fsck didn't find errors, but i can't get rid of the cyclic directories |
| 12:48.12 | lcuk | the only time my scratchbox died was in a vm and it got corrupted |
| 12:48.33 | ali1234 | having a cycle in /scratchbox is normal |
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| 12:49.03 | Flandry | how do you get rid of it if scratchbox doesn't when it dies? |
| 12:49.29 | suihkulokki | /etc/init.d/scratchbox stop |
| 12:49.53 | suihkulokki | which is effectively /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop |
| 12:50.07 | Flandry | i did that |
| 12:50.37 | Flandry | i followed the uninstall directions and it apparently had screwed itself up too much to even die gracefully |
| 12:51.10 | suihkulokki | perhaps you had processess left running inside |
| 12:51.18 | Flandry | anyway, is apt likely to fix the broken download if i restart it or should i cut my loses and revert back to my backed up VM image now |
| 12:51.50 | Flandry | i'd really like to avoid installing 2GB of crap a fifth time :P |
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| 12:55.11 | Flandry | garbeam: was out for a second but working now |
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| 12:58.41 | hrw | beagleboard maemo5 someone? |
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| 13:00.48 | Stskeeps | working on it |
| 13:01.07 | Stskeeps | we are at a state sgx initializes and xorg and everything runs |
| 13:01.16 | Stskeeps | but nothing shows on screen |
| 13:01.40 | wazd | damn, SDK is refusing to install packages again :( |
| 13:02.04 | X-Fade | wazd: which ones? |
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| 13:02.27 | wazd | X-Fade: any from app manager |
| 13:02.36 | Flandry | oh yeah |
| 13:02.39 | hrw | Stskeeps: can I get kernel+rootfs? |
| 13:02.45 | Flandry | two of my three SDK installs have been that way |
| 13:03.22 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Red Pill mode & Set assume internet connection to true. Also, install fakeroot-net using apt-get |
| 13:03.49 | X-Fade | wazd: And make sure dns resolution works. |
| 13:04.33 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: should I do it everytime I launch it?) |
| 13:04.46 | qwerty12_N810 | Once should be enough :) |
| 13:05.04 | Flandry | Is it normal that nokia-apps wants to remove maemo-sdk-sounds? |
| 13:05.07 | X-Fade | lardman: python in build-depends ;) |
| 13:05.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Flandry: Yep, it is. On the upside, you get a much better set of sounds... |
| 13:05.41 | Flandry | ah ok thanks |
| 13:05.57 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: I already did that "assume connection" but looks like it switched back |
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| 13:06.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Odd |
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| 13:06.52 | Flandry | for me, it would let me long-click on the apps to get info, but tapping them wouldn't do anything |
| 13:07.36 | wazd | well, at least I can drool at the stuff in SDK :D |
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| 13:09.33 | Flandry | happened for nokia-apps, too |
| 13:09.36 | Flandry | Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80] |
| 13:09.37 | Flandry | Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/nokia-binaries/4bc3xxx/nokia-binaries/o/osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n/osso-rss-feed-reader-l10n-itit_6.0+r7220+0m5_all.deb Error reading from server. Remote end closed connection [IP: 96.17.149.18 80] |
| 13:09.37 | Flandry | E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
| 13:09.55 | Flandry | so that's 4/4 apt-get installs for nokia that have died |
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| 13:10.40 | Flandry | would it help if i got out and pushed? |
| 13:13.08 | RST38h | POP3 Troubles Continue: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5839 |
| 13:16.03 | wazd | with all that screaming bout n900 that does multitasking and iPhone that does not - iPhone can be operated while insalling apps :) |
| 13:16.41 | RST38h | Most people who claim iPhone can't do multitasking do not know what multitasking is |
| 13:16.43 | Stskeeps | wazd, n900 can too |
| 13:16.51 | wazd | Stskeeps: hmm, how? |
| 13:17.05 | RST38h | Sts: Well it does get a bit slluggish when installing |
| 13:17.20 | RST38h | wazd: Does your Ubuntu desktop lock you app when installing a package? |
| 13:17.28 | RST38h | s/app/out/ |
| 13:17.37 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: gtk-update-icon-cache is faster, at least... |
| 13:18.11 | Stskeeps | wazd, task switcher is active |
| 13:18.14 | RST38h | qwert: There are some problems with the MIME database, looks like the parser does not understand some common fields |
| 13:18.15 | wazd | RST38h: well, I don't really care what my Ubuntu des, I care bout what n900 does :) |
| 13:18.19 | RST38h | qwerty: And yes there is a bug for this :) |
| 13:18.36 | wazd | RST38h: it's like that annoying M4 "bluetooth ending" bug |
| 13:18.55 | wazd | RST38h: when you can't do anything until you receive the whole file over bt |
| 13:19.14 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I've seen them; but they don't really cause slowness IMHO |
| 13:19.33 | wazd | RST38h: It can be disabled, but for casual user it doesn't make any sense :) |
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| 13:22.05 | RST38h | qwerty: No, just annoyance |
| 13:22.13 | RST38h | wazd: N900 is not like that =) |
| 13:22.25 | RST38h | wazd:Has got plenty of other annyances but not this one |
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| 13:26.30 | Stskeeps | hrw: sorry, sec |
| 13:26.58 | Stskeeps | hrw: http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started first steps |
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| 13:33.27 | wazd | damn, can't locate that n900-fmrx-enabler package |
| 13:33.46 | Stskeeps | extras? |
| 13:33.56 | X-Fade | -devel |
| 13:33.58 | RST38h | extras-testing or extras-devel |
| 13:34.01 | X-Fade | and -testing |
| 13:34.08 | wazd | Stskeeps: extras-devel, extras-testing, nothing |
| 13:34.38 | X-Fade | wazd: red pill |
| 13:35.12 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: ping? |
| 13:35.18 | Flandry | wazd: same thing this sdk iteration: clicking on the apps does nothing |
| 13:35.21 | X-Fade | wazd: or just install fmradio |
| 13:36.01 | X-Fade | Flandry: That is not the case. the fmrx-enabler package is not a user package, so it isn't listed. |
| 13:36.05 | Flandry | fakeroot-net installed, red pill mode/assume net connection aren't related i think. I seems more like a UI issue |
| 13:36.20 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, pong? |
| 13:36.33 | Flandry | sorry i was talking about his earlier report of app manager not installing apps |
| 13:36.40 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Are you still able to add products to b.m.o? |
| 13:36.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, yeah. |
| 13:36.54 | fiferboy | :) |
| 13:36.57 | GeneralAntilles | I got your email, haven't gotten around to it yet. |
| 13:36.59 | GeneralAntilles | Will do now. |
| 13:37.05 | wazd | X-Fade: already in red pill |
| 13:37.11 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: No worries, just making sure the process was still the same |
| 13:37.26 | wazd | X-Fade: can't install fm radio cause I don't have that package |
| 13:37.30 | wazd | fiferboy: heya |
| 13:37.33 | hrw | Stskeeps: tx |
| 13:37.39 | fiferboy | Hi wazd. Keeping busy? |
| 13:37.42 | Flandry | haven't seen any solutions to this problem wazd, i just lucked out one of the times i installed sdk. I've been using apt-get |
| 13:37.52 | X-Fade | wazd: that is because in red pill mode it doesn't do dependency installs? |
| 13:38.20 | garbeam | Flandry: thx |
| 13:38.41 | wazd | X-Fade: ok, I'll try in blue |
| 13:38.44 | garbeam | so nobody knows how to get a kernel trace on maemo when a kernel panic happens? |
| 13:38.48 | wazd | fiferboy: well, not really :) |
| 13:39.10 | wazd | nope, app packages missing |
| 13:39.10 | fiferboy | wazd: Then I haven't been asking for enough help lately! |
| 13:39.32 | wazd | fiferboy: quick tip for your photo frame widget |
| 13:39.53 | wazd | fiferboy: remove arrows, switch pictures by pressing on the sides of the picture |
| 13:40.22 | X-Fade | wazd: installs just fine for me. |
| 13:40.33 | fiferboy | wazd: Do you think it will be obvious enough to users? I can make the arrows really, really faint... |
| 13:40.37 | RST38h | fiferboy, wazd: can I suggest something? |
| 13:40.42 | RST38h | really simple? |
| 13:40.46 | fiferboy | RST38h: Go ahead. |
| 13:41.03 | X-Fade | fiferboy: look at 'Photos' app. |
| 13:41.09 | RST38h | fiferboy: Step away from having the image as a little widget at the desktop |
| 13:41.35 | fiferboy | X-Fade: For how you switch photos? |
| 13:41.46 | RST38h | fiferboy: Replace the whole background of the desktop where you show the image with your image and provide two semitransparent buttons on top, at the corners of the desktop |
| 13:41.47 | X-Fade | fiferboy: horizontal swipe ;) |
| 13:42.02 | fiferboy | X-Fade: That doesn't work on desktop widgets :( |
| 13:42.12 | X-Fade | fiferboy: hmm indeed |
| 13:42.21 | wazd | X-Fade: horizonal swipe swipes desktops |
| 13:42.28 | wazd | X-Fade: vertical is blocked |
| 13:42.36 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: +1 |
| 13:42.39 | Flandry | This is the error i get when i click apps in app manager: hildon-desktop[1940]: GLIB WARNING ** default - mb_wm_client_window_sync_properties: X error 3 |
| 13:42.43 | wazd | X-Fade: that's the modern way to "lock" widgets I guess :D |
| 13:42.48 | fiferboy | RST38h: Neat idea. I plan on having size options, so a 'full screen' would do what you want |
| 13:42.51 | Jaffa | RST38h: Most people who claim the iPhone can't do multitasking are referring to the user experience, which prevents two third-party applications from Apple - in an unjailbroken iPhone - from running at the same time. Anybody who claims that this is equivalent to "not knowing what multitasking is" is just a pedantic pedant with no grip on real world usage ;-p |
| 13:43.20 | RST38h | fiferboy: Would make it default really: most people want the photo as large as possible anyway :) |
| 13:43.59 | RST38h | Jaffa: Well as long as they handle state saving/loading properly that should not be much of a problem |
| 13:44.09 | fiferboy | RST38h: The problem would be (if it is still a desktop widget) users could put widgets over top, and then bring the photo widget to the top and hide all their other widgets |
| 13:44.28 | RST38h | fiferboy: stick the image to the bottom of the widget stack |
| 13:44.29 | fiferboy | It would be hard to get them back without removing everything from that desstop and adding them all in the right order |
| 13:44.47 | fiferboy | RST38h: Do you know if there is a way to control stacking besides user interaction? |
| 13:44.53 | Jaffa | RST38h: Except for the things which have state which can't be persisted (e.g. network connections) or are required to do work in the background. And now *you*'re the one changing the meaning of 'multitasking' |
| 13:45.07 | RST38h | fiferboy: Well if it is an XWindow, you can set the hint |
| 13:45.16 | RST38h | fiferboy: that says "stay at the bottom" |
| 13:45.34 | fiferboy | Hmm, that might work. I wonder it the user can override in desktop edit mode, though |
| 13:45.35 | RST38h | fiferboy: this is how Xroach creepies hide under your XWindows ;) |
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| 13:45.53 | RST38h | fiferboy: I am not sure what will happen in the edit mode, you will have to test |
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| 13:46.17 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, these will be problematic |
| 13:46.25 | fiferboy | RST38h: I will look into it |
| 13:47.37 | Stskeeps | hrw: do you have a beagle with LCD on the lcd header? |
| 13:47.47 | fiferboy | RST38h: The other problem with 'full screen' mode is what to do about the area at the top where widgets are not allowed, and what to do with portrait oriented photos |
| 13:47.48 | hrw | Stskeeps: no, I use hdmi |
| 13:47.52 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 13:48.37 | orangey | hello all! |
| 13:48.38 | RST38h | fiferboy: I would guess both problems can be addressed with "nothing" |
| 13:48.45 | orangey | has anyone tried out wave? |
| 13:48.54 | fiferboy | RST38h: Probably true |
| 13:48.57 | RST38h | fiferboy: I.e. do not touch the status area and display portrait photos sideways |
| 13:49.02 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, done. Complementary bug filled for each. |
| 13:49.05 | hrw | Stskeeps: time to try to create maemo rootfs without use of sbox |
| 13:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | waits patiently for a tip. |
| 13:49.08 | RST38h | it is way easier for the user to rotate the device |
| 13:49.23 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Thanks for getting the ball rolling! |
| 13:49.41 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Your two enhancements will be implemented today |
| 13:50.21 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, feel free to revise the description formula more to your liking. |
| 13:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | I just hate short descriptions which mostly just say the package name. :P |
| 13:50.37 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Tip - Never pet a burning dog |
| 13:50.47 | Flandry | woof |
| 13:50.57 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I do too (in other people's packages) |
| 13:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | lights Flandry on fire. |
| 13:51.22 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Tip: Don't open new products for fiferboy's stuff |
| 13:52.14 | fiferboy | Yeah, now qwerty is going to file some bug about Canadian maintainership... |
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| 13:52.22 | Flandry | sets fire to another SDK install |
| 13:52.34 | Flandry | Now look what ya dun |
| 13:52.39 | jeremiah | Burn baby burn |
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| 13:54.14 | Flandry | Is it abnormal then that i can't install apps with app manager in SDK. I can use apt but if it's supposed to be working it would be good to know. It's a UI issue that only sends an error if i tap on the app (i can long-tap to get info, but not install). |
| 13:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | No, last I heard it wasn't working right. |
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| 13:57.55 | hrw | Stskeeps: sources.list on that page points to maemo5.0alpha repositories which do not exists |
| 13:58.08 | hrw | or moment.. maybe its my fault |
| 13:58.22 | Stskeeps | yeah :P |
| 13:59.08 | wazd | oh, my bad |
| 13:59.20 | wazd | n900 can be operated while installing |
| 13:59.25 | wazd | poor me |
| 13:59.29 | hrw | Stskeeps: anyway s/maemo5.0alpha/freemantle/ works too |
| 13:59.52 | anidel | wazd: it can, but it's better not to.. it can be quite slow |
| 13:59.56 | GeneralAntilles | Woo, rootfs full again. |
| 14:00.20 | GeneralAntilles | hrw, "freemantle" isn't a thing. |
| 14:00.31 | Stskeeps | hrw, please do notice: |
| 14:00.32 | Stskeeps | # download sources.list , packages (not Packages.gz) files from http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/repo/ |
| 14:00.35 | Stskeeps | # to this directory |
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| 14:02.38 | Ceron^ | any news on N900 release dagte |
| 14:02.38 | hrw | ok |
| 14:02.39 | Ceron^ | date |
| 14:03.10 | w00t | none that i've heard |
| 14:03.17 | KMFDM | mid november |
| 14:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 14:03.27 | anidel | During November :) |
| 14:03.34 | qwerty12_N810 | 2012 |
| 14:03.37 | Stskeeps | hrw: just posted to maemo-developers |
| 14:03.38 | anidel | eheh |
| 14:03.50 | anidel | but I'm sure the whole world will know about it |
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| 14:04.52 | GeneralAntilles | How is it that Modest manages to mess up quoting so thoroughly? |
| 14:05.23 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I'm wondering, \r and \n differences perhaps? |
| 14:05.24 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: You have received my highest honour: a thanks in the debian/changelog! |
| 14:05.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, crap, now my name is associated with it! :( |
| 14:06.13 | RST38h | Ah don't worry, wazd actually got mentioned as a maintainer |
| 14:06.23 | fiferboy | Yes, you are now fully responsible for any damage the new description does to peoples N900s |
| 14:06.33 | RST38h | So, people with AlmostTI bug reports are now going to bug him =) |
| 14:06.57 | anidel | no they are AlmostTO bug him |
| 14:07.29 | wazd | RST38h: maintainer of what? |
| 14:08.31 | Stskeeps | http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html |
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| 14:09.44 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh, boost needs optifying |
| 14:11.02 | w00t | Stskeeps: damn you! I was just about to link that :P |
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| 14:12.15 | RST38h | wazd: AlmostTI |
| 14:12.35 | wazd | RST38h: oh, cool :) |
| 14:12.47 | wazd | RST38h: not everyone is so generous :D |
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| 14:16.02 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, too bad governance wasn't addressed. |
| 14:16.37 | Stskeeps | yeah |
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| 14:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | The argument I always hear whenever I bring up fragmentation is, "Well, Android is shipping on how many devices now." |
| 14:17.32 | RST38h | The device was described as a larger iPhone, "small enough to carry in a handbag but too big to fit in a pocket." |
| 14:17.45 | GeneralAntilles | Which device? |
| 14:17.57 | RST38h | wazd: Hey, not everyone takes care of all the artwork for somebody else's project =) |
| 14:18.03 | RST38h | General: iTablet apparently |
| 14:18.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 14:18.30 | RST38h | Unless the whole rumor about Apple talking to media outlets about content for it is false |
| 14:18.31 | GiantTalkingCow | Depending on the cost, it'll either be a hit or the Apple TV 2.0. |
| 14:18.44 | RST38h | Will be a hit no matter what the cost is |
| 14:18.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's going to suck if it's iPhone OS. |
| 14:18.57 | RST38h | As someone put it, Apple produces "cultware" =) |
| 14:19.18 | RST38h | Most likely iPhone OS with more toolkits to handle tablet stuff |
| 14:19.19 | glass | not many are hardcore cultists enough for apple tv though |
| 14:19.51 | RST38h | glass: Maybe they couldn't find how to use it in their orgies or something |
| 14:19.55 | GiantTalkingCow | RST38h: Nah, the cultists are only a small part of Apple customers. It's the UI and ease of use (for limited things) that hooks people. |
| 14:20.18 | RST38h | Yea, but Mac users get seriously creepy |
| 14:20.26 | RST38h | Even by general geek standards |
| 14:20.59 | GiantTalkingCow | Not really. Mac fanboys on the other hand.... |
| 14:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | What's with people constantly claiming fanboyism on Talk? |
| 14:21.18 | GeneralAntilles | I've been to sites that have a fanboy problem. |
| 14:21.20 | GeneralAntilles | Talk is not one of them. |
| 14:22.14 | GiantTalkingCow | No idea. Fanboys of any stripe are annoying. |
| 14:22.27 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: you're just a Talk fanboi, get lost :D |
| 14:27.25 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, Freenode just says /<project name>/<"inside" token>/<unique userid> |
| 14:27.35 | GeneralAntilles | and we have some options for project name formatting. |
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| 14:27.53 | GeneralAntilles | so the proposal should be fine. |
| 14:28.58 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you know of any docs on how to request and administer those? |
| 14:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, find a staffer. |
| 14:30.20 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.36 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But do I then need to ask that for every person? |
| 14:31.20 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have to give the staffer a list of the cloaks we want added. |
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| 14:34.00 | GAN900 | Hrm, fun. http://pastebin.com/m36c388b3 |
| 14:35.45 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: I had that (with another package) so I just deleted the file concerned and did an "apt-get -f install" and all was merry. |
| 14:36.28 | Lupu | http://cool900.blogspot.com/2009/10/comparing-freedom-on-maemo-and-android.html |
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| 14:37.27 | GiantTalkingCow | I just ran across that article on Slashdot. Either way, I'd prefer an Android or Maemo based device to an Apple one, mostly because Apple seems to be run by a bunch of jackasses nowadays. (well, their mobile division certainly is) |
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| 14:38.15 | Lupu | It'll be interesting to sit back and watch that discussion. |
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| 14:38.49 | Lupu | But the blog does have valid points, which is good PR for Maemo |
| 14:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | To Extras-testing testers: PLEASE don't heart packages which are not optified. |
| 14:40.38 | Lynoure | GeneralAntilles: good reminder. |
| 14:43.05 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, I'd be tempted to say you should default to using Photos. |
| 14:43.09 | RST38h | General: My guess is that it was Eldar who first called everyone at tmo fanboys and we are now getting his readership |
| 14:43.33 | RST38h | General: No need to optify small packages |
| 14:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, I'm not sure how apparent it will be to most users how to select their photos. |
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| 14:43.57 | RST38h | As to larger ones, I have just optified ATI, fMSX, and Speccy, repository commit pending |
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| 14:44.03 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Good idea. I will set the defaults to slide show in the .images directory |
| 14:46.37 | anidel | with this: http://www.fontcapture.com/ and Xournal you can make your own font from your own handwriting :) |
| 14:46.50 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody else find the file selector dialog totally obnoxious? |
| 14:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | I hate having to remember to tap the button at the top. |
| 14:47.02 | anidel | GA: I do. |
| 14:47.19 | GeneralAntilles | I usually cancel it 2 or 3 times before I manage to select what I want. |
| 14:47.39 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, indeed. No stackable windows there. |
| 14:48.23 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Yes, there is no indication that tapping the directory you just selected a second time is how to close the dialog successfully |
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| 14:50.09 | hrw | libvolume-id0 0.125-7+142.maemo0+0m5 - does it mean that Debian 0.125-7 was used as base, then maemohacked to udev 142 and then added some extra maemo patches? |
| 14:50.39 | hrw | basically Lenny based |
| 14:50.52 | hrw | -> out |
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| 14:52.50 | suihkulokki | GeneralAntilles: yes the fileselector is a sore "hey I'm from 90's" thumb in the ui |
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| 14:54.15 | suihkulokki | for example when choosing a avatar for a contact.. "lets not use this nice images application view of images, lets make the user navigate the filesystem with this ugly widget" |
| 14:55.19 | Khertan | suihkulokki: because it s better than scrolling around my list of 25 000 images |
| 14:55.35 | lardman | hmm, :p to the people being rude about the size of my fingers |
| 14:55.40 | lardman | reads the backlog |
| 14:55.46 | X-Fade | lardman: sorry ;) |
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| 14:56.06 | X-Fade | lardman: FFS is spreading ;) |
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| 14:56.14 | lardman | I do find it annoying though, if I move my finger or hit it in the wrong place |
| 14:56.28 | lardman | rather limits the usefulness of the device "on the go" |
| 14:56.32 | X-Fade | lardman: It annoys me more in the icon menu. |
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| 14:56.57 | lardman | yeah, I get it there too, but oddly mainly with the phone desktop shortcut - because of the position & how I hold the phone |
| 14:57.00 | suihkulokki | Khertan: stop keeping your porn collection on your phone! |
| 14:57.09 | d-fens_ | hi, i know this might be a bit offtopic, but is there already a car navigation software available ? |
| 14:57.28 | X-Fade | d-fens_: Basically, no. |
| 14:57.30 | Flandry_ | no voice navigation |
| 14:57.46 | d-fens_ | anything planned from some big players? |
| 14:57.59 | d-fens_ | like tomtom or such |
| 14:58.04 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: photo frame now has better defaults |
| 14:58.10 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I am implementing all your ideas today |
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| 14:58.31 | X-Fade | d-fens_: You'd need to ask tomtom that ;) |
| 14:58.33 | Khertan | suihkulokki: ... :) |
| 14:58.42 | d-fens_ | ok, so no rumors around |
| 14:58.49 | X-Fade | d-fens_: But probably Ovi Maps will do it some day. |
| 14:58.54 | RST38h | moo anidel |
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| 14:59.34 | fiferboy | Does anyone know if there is a library available for the tag cloud thing that the image viewer uses? |
| 14:59.37 | SpeedEvil | There is stuff from openstreetmaps that sort-of-works - and can be easily ported - I'm not sure it's actually there yet. |
| 14:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, I'll have to think up some more good ones. :P |
| 14:59.47 | SpeedEvil | The data quality however is variable |
| 15:00.01 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: libcumulus but headers are not available. Go figure... |
| 15:00.02 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: caveat - they have to be implementable in 10 lines of code or less... |
| 15:00.12 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Thanks, I'll look into that |
| 15:00.50 | RST38h | Ok, it appears to be confirmed now: If you sent your request for developer discount last week, resend it again |
| 15:01.21 | d-fens_ | ok, but in theory everything running on a standard dabian should work (if the libs are available on maemo) |
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| 15:02.05 | solarion | fiferboy: I can make that program in 9 lines of code or less. |
| 15:02.22 | fiferboy | solarion: Which program? |
| 15:02.22 | RST38h | what is euro1 variant? |
| 15:02.29 | solarion | (hint: this is where you say "I can make that program in 8 lines of code or less" or else "Make that program!") |
| 15:02.48 | fiferboy | solarion: Ah, I see. Can it be a c program all on one line? |
| 15:02.54 | GAN900 | RST38h? |
| 15:03.02 | solarion | It can be in whatever key. |
| 15:03.10 | solarion | (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_That_Tune) |
| 15:03.19 | solarion | ;) |
| 15:03.21 | RST38h | GAN: DDP sent an email saying that all the devices are in euro1 variant |
| 15:03.27 | RST38h | GAN: Wondering what it means |
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| 15:04.06 | Stskeeps | if its finnish and insane cursor keys. . |
| 15:04.15 | RST38h | O hope not |
| 15:04.36 | Stskeeps | they will have to rip my n900 out of my arms if its that :P |
| 15:05.21 | X-Fade | I think it is the same version as given out at the summit. |
| 15:05.31 | anidel | no it's the same keyboard as the one given at the summit |
| 15:05.56 | anidel | yeah :) |
| 15:05.57 | RST38h | perrrrfect |
| 15:06.33 | RST38h | The email says they will send another email with ordering information once N900 becomes available |
| 15:08.56 | d-fens_ | is there a skype version planned for the n900? |
| 15:09.59 | SpeedEvil | skype is integrated into the UI |
| 15:10.18 | SpeedEvil | however - this isn't quite the same as a standalone app - no video calls |
| 15:10.59 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: I doubt there'd be video if it was a standalone app ;-) |
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| 15:11.07 | d-fens_ | but if adriver would be available, could the "desktop" version of skype be made running on the n900? |
| 15:11.15 | Khertan | RST38h: didn't got any news none answer too from my email |
| 15:11.19 | X-Fade | d-fens_: No, of course not. |
| 15:11.46 | d-fens_ | because of the differnet architetcure? |
| 15:11.49 | RST38h | KhertanL If you sent your email to DPP last week, resend again |
| 15:11.54 | d-fens_ | damn my fingers |
| 15:11.56 | X-Fade | d-fens_: There are tons of differences between a desktop and a N900. |
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| 15:12.20 | Khertan | RST38h: hum ... maybe i should wait |
| 15:12.26 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: err - why not - I'm confused |
| 15:12.50 | RST38h | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/10/bagcheck.png |
| 15:13.01 | X-Fade | d-fens_: Skype needs to implement it for Maemo5 themselves, if they want. |
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| 15:14.02 | d-fens_ | i see,but a given app could be compiled for used on the n900 |
| 15:14.25 | X-Fade | d-fens_: If things only were that simple ;) |
| 15:14.26 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: implement what? |
| 15:14.36 | hrw | re |
| 15:14.37 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Skype video chat ;) |
| 15:14.39 | d-fens_ | hehe |
| 15:14.53 | timeless_mbp | isn't sure where video is stuck |
| 15:15.04 | timeless_mbp | thinks someone on the nokia end needs to get general video call working first |
| 15:15.11 | d-fens_ | but its more politics than technical barriers |
| 15:15.18 | X-Fade | d-fens_: Anyway, skype is closed source. So we can't recompile. |
| 15:15.21 | fureddo | Anyone is familiar with maemo-optify script? |
| 15:15.30 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: Why wouldn't a 'desktop' linux video skype app, neglecting compleltely the closed source issue - work? |
| 15:15.33 | X-Fade | d-fens_: Hardware is technically capable. |
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| 15:16.06 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: you mean an skype-intel build? |
| 15:16.09 | timeless_mbp | on an arm device? |
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| 15:16.18 | ali1234 | SpeedEvil: the skype codecs are known for being extremely cpu hungry and not able to be hardware accelerated. ot at least thats what i heard |
| 15:16.32 | Stskeeps | qemu-x86? ;p |
| 15:16.36 | SpeedEvil | timeless: yes - neglecting that whole issue |
| 15:16.49 | timeless_mbp | i think you're neglecting too many issues |
| 15:17.00 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! How come libnss3-dev is not available in extras-devel? I'm trying to build pidgin. |
| 15:17.10 | suihkulokki | skype is power managment killer anyway |
| 15:17.17 | timeless_mbp | _|Nix|_: is it in the sdk? |
| 15:17.27 | SpeedEvil | I know - jaffa seemed to imply (to me) that there were other issues other than the architecture. |
| 15:17.28 | timeless_mbp | if so, just steal the files from the sdk and repush to extras-devel |
| 15:17.32 | wjt | _|Nix|_: it was removed recently :'( |
| 15:17.32 | _|Nix|_ | No idea. I just know that it's open, so why isn't it there? |
| 15:17.39 | _|Nix|_ | wjt: Why? |
| 15:17.42 | timeless_mbp | that's what i did for gettext |
| 15:17.47 | wjt | _|Nix|_: i don't know. if you find out let me know :) |
| 15:18.05 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: well |
| 15:18.07 | _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... this blows. That means no msn in Fremantle. Brilliant ... |
| 15:18.16 | suihkulokki | especially if the skype network decices that your phone is the best candidate for being a supernode and starts routing peoples calls via your phone.. |
| 15:18.17 | timeless_mbp | there's the minor issue that the front facing camera isn't really enabled anywhere |
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| 15:18.35 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: ever had that happen to you? |
| 15:18.42 | ali1234 | _|Nix|_: funny, it works for me |
| 15:18.45 | SpeedEvil | timeless: oh - diddn't know that. I assumed it was smply two v4l2 devices |
| 15:19.00 | timeless_mbp | well, i'm not precisely sure what its status is |
| 15:19.07 | RST38h | chants "pidging pidgin pidgin" andwaves at Nix |
| 15:19.09 | timeless_mbp | but in 41-10, which is what most of the people here have |
| 15:19.10 | _|Nix|_ | ali1234: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/pidgin_2.6.2-1nix0/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
| 15:19.12 | javispedro | morning |
| 15:19.15 | timeless_mbp | there aren't any apps using the front camera |
| 15:19.21 | ali1234 | _|Nix|_: both pidgin and telepathy-haze are in the repos already, so i have no need to build it myself |
| 15:19.29 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure precisely why, but i believe people are working on changing htat |
| 15:19.40 | d-fens_ | timeless_mbp: but drivers are there? |
| 15:19.56 | ali1234 | besides, pidgin on a tablet is almost as bad as empathy on a desktop machine |
| 15:19.57 | javispedro | has slashdot mod points AND there's a maemo slashdot article. |
| 15:20.00 | timeless_mbp | d-fens_: my understanding is that the kernel enablers are in the kernel sources |
| 15:20.17 | javispedro | there's an app already using the camera. iirc it's name is "mirror"? |
| 15:20.18 | timeless_mbp | that isn't necessarily the same as they're enabled in the build |
| 15:20.32 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: really? interesting |
| 15:20.48 | _|Nix|_ | ali1234: K, well, I've made a lot of adaptations for Fremantle, like Hildon 2.2 widgets, etc, and I can't upload it to extras-devel because of that. |
| 15:21.00 | javispedro | timeless: yep. "Mirror is a simple utility that shows a real-time mirror image of the built-in user-facing camera." |
| 15:21.07 | _|Nix|_ | Actually libnss3-dev is probably not in the repo because of the .pc file breakage. |
| 15:21.10 | RST38h | javis: You have got slashdot mod points? I am horrified now |
| 15:21.22 | SpeedEvil | too. |
| 15:21.27 | javispedro | RST38h: for first time in years. believe in god? |
| 15:21.27 | suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: not using skype but heard complaints about that possibility |
| 15:21.29 | d-fens_ | is there a kind of software map for the most common needed tools with a progress status anywhere? |
| 15:21.31 | timeless_mbp | pc file breakfage? |
| 15:21.41 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: technically it can happen, yes |
| 15:21.42 | RST38h | javis: You know What I bealieve in =) |
| 15:21.48 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: It was removed from the latest SDK. |
| 15:22.08 | Stskeeps | is getting tired of web closing. |
| 15:22.13 | RST38h | Can always be added back, can't it? |
| 15:22.15 | _|Nix|_ | timeless_mbp: It advertises header files wrong. I needed to put horrible hacks into configure.in to make it work. |
| 15:22.24 | _|Nix|_ | timeless_mbp: The bug may have since been fixed. |
| 15:22.29 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I know. Why? |
| 15:23.28 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: Hmm actually, no.. http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/5.0beta2_vs_5.0_content_changes.html |
| 15:23.51 | wjt | timeless_mbp, _|Nix|_: I filed a bug about the pc file being broken a few months ago fwiw |
| 15:23.58 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Is there a nice machine API for a user giving maemo.org/packages thumbs up/down & comments as themselves? |
| 15:24.22 | X-Fade | Jaffa: no |
| 15:24.33 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: yeah, it lists libnss3-dev is removed |
| 15:24.33 | Jaffa | was thinking of a 'cheatsheet' mini-app for 9.08-11, and then realised it'd be pretty easy for it to list the apps which are installed from extras-testing as well |
| 15:24.39 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Right, OK. |
| 15:24.43 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Yeah, from non-free |
| 15:24.44 | Jaffa | Scratch that idea then |
| 15:24.50 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: but added for free. |
| 15:25.10 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: not -dev |
| 15:25.24 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: I don't quite understand. If you search for "libnss3-dev" on that page, it says it was removed. It says so under the heading "Comparison of packages in Maemo 5.0beta2 and Maemo 5.0 non-free repositories". |
| 15:25.31 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Ah right! |
| 15:25.41 | timeless_mbp | _|Nix|_: my guess is this was an oversight |
| 15:25.47 | _|Nix|_ | Why on God's green earth would the -dev package be held back? |
| 15:25.56 | _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... |
| 15:26.00 | timeless_mbp | not held back, just not requested |
| 15:26.08 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: my guess is that it moved from non-free to free and it got forgotten ;) |
| 15:26.49 | _|Nix|_ | Fer cryin' out-loud. I'll check with Soumija ... |
| 15:26.57 | timeless_mbp | _|Nix|_: good choice |
| 15:27.00 | timeless_mbp | -plan |
| 15:27.03 | Stskeeps | on vacation |
| 15:27.06 | X-Fade | _|Nix|_: ping marcell |
| 15:28.11 | timeless_mbp | _|Nix|_: i could probably send the files to extras-devel |
| 15:28.14 | timeless_mbp | i guess |
| 15:28.26 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: No |
| 15:28.26 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 15:28.28 | timeless_mbp | actually |
| 15:28.30 | timeless_mbp | i can't |
| 15:28.38 | timeless_mbp | because getting it into extras would require sources |
| 15:28.41 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: We block that |
| 15:28.41 | timeless_mbp | it'd end up in non-free |
| 15:28.47 | timeless_mbp | you block what? |
| 15:28.59 | X-Fade | uploading system libs to extras |
| 15:29.10 | timeless_mbp | -dev isn't a system lib ;-) |
| 15:29.30 | X-Fade | yeah, but the source package contains it. |
| 15:29.40 | timeless_mbp | yeah, that'd be a problem |
| 15:29.45 | AndrewFBlack | anyone want to help me get gonvert UI hildonized? I've done a litte work on getting it to fit bettr on small screen but need help with moving menu around |
| 15:29.59 | X-Fade | Anyway, this needs to be fixed in SDK. |
| 15:30.10 | timeless_mbp | that won't help though |
| 15:30.23 | timeless_mbp | is the sdk part of autobuilders? |
| 15:30.25 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Why not? |
| 15:30.31 | X-Fade | Yes, of course. |
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| 15:30.46 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
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| 15:31.23 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
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| 15:31.30 | timeless_mbp | so we have microb in the sdk ... |
| 15:31.31 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 15:31.38 | timeless_mbp | yeah, so it's just a botch |
| 15:31.56 | X-Fade | Yeah, should just be there. |
| 15:32.14 | timeless_mbp | what about -dbg packages for microb? |
| 15:33.24 | X-Fade | libnss3* should be in SDK, yes. |
| 15:33.53 | timeless_mbp | microb-eal-dbg, microb-engine-dbg, libnss3-dbg |
| 15:34.48 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Quick question. Is microb supposed to use the tap on the screen which wakes the device up? Shouldn't the first tap be discarded? |
| 15:36.19 | timeless_mbp | it happens to, we're aware it do |
| 15:36.19 | timeless_mbp | es |
| 15:36.23 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if we intentionally do it, or if it's just how things are |
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| 15:36.24 | timeless_mbp | lemme ask the guy who maintains the ui |
| 15:36.24 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: It made me curse a few times yeah ;) |
| 15:36.25 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: As that tap is always on a link of course ;) |
| 15:36.45 | X-Fade | Great when browing ebay and randomly click on 'Buy now' |
| 15:38.48 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 15:38.52 | timeless_mbp | it's a bug in system software |
| 15:39.00 | timeless_mbp | if you have an app that runs in non-composite mode |
| 15:39.08 | timeless_mbp | --- that's the explanation i was given anyway |
| 15:39.18 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Ah, yeah that explains why it doesn't happen in the 'regular' apps ;) |
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| 15:39.41 | timeless_mbp | no harm in filing a bug, although if you could create a test app which triggers it based on my "explanation" and use that to file the bug straight to system software |
| 15:39.50 | timeless_mbp | that'd be vaguely appreciated from my personal perspective :) |
| 15:40.10 | timeless_mbp | (from an end user perspective, ideally there'd be two bugs, one against browser, and the one i just described which blocks it) |
| 15:40.42 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I can file it against browser in b.m.o? |
| 15:41.02 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 15:41.18 | timeless_mbp | but someone should file the bug against system software in bugs.m.o |
| 15:41.21 | timeless_mbp | blocking |
| 15:41.33 | timeless_mbp | moving the bug out of browser would result in people filing it in browser again |
| 15:41.36 | timeless_mbp | which doesn't help anyone |
| 15:41.45 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: But we don't know that, we only know that the browser bugs ;) |
| 15:41.50 | timeless_mbp | and i don't want to be the one trying to write the testcase ;) |
| 15:42.05 | timeless_mbp | well, you could write such an app and verify it for yourself |
| 15:42.10 | timeless_mbp | you=you, not you=user |
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| 15:43.13 | stevem_ | Hey, does anyone know of anyone doing the N900 on contract in the UK? |
| 15:43.31 | timeless_mbp | someone said that the n900 would be 0GBP on contract |
| 15:43.35 | stevem_ | I know about mobilephonesdirect.co.uk and signed up already - but their only voda and t-mobile, was after O2 |
| 15:43.52 | stevem_ | timeless_mbp, yeah mine is |
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| 15:45.04 | stevem_ | Anyone other than mobilephonesdirect.co.uk doing N900 on contract? |
| 15:45.09 | lcuk | timeless, the browser appears to be doing the following (which is different to the gtk apps) |
| 15:45.30 | lcuk | On mousemove events of any type it is responding to those events |
| 15:45.40 | lcuk | i think the initial mousedown is eaten |
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| 15:45.45 | lcuk | but the rest of the stroke goes through |
| 15:45.58 | lcuk | which is why browser appears to notice it |
| 15:46.02 | lcuk | and gtk doesnt |
| 15:46.05 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: anyway, whichever way |
| 15:46.05 | timeless_mbp | it's a bug in the system software |
| 15:46.17 | timeless_mbp | the screen saver should consume the whole event |
| 15:46.21 | timeless_mbp | not just 1/3 of it |
| 15:47.01 | lcuk | nods |
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| 15:47.24 | lcuk | ponders how to cure it |
| 15:47.48 | lcuk | in liqbase i have a "drawing" flag which is set when i get the pressed event and unset when i get released |
| 15:48.05 | lcuk | and i only respond to motion when this is set |
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| 15:48.55 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 15:48.59 | AndrewFBlack | yerga, Ping |
| 15:49.04 | timeless_mbp | working around buggy system software shouldn't really be our job... |
| 15:49.39 | lcuk | yeah, but on a desktop OS with overlapping windows wouldnt this cause problems anyway? |
| 15:50.00 | lcuk | responding to mousemove events outside of a click on your surface because the pointer passed over it? |
| 15:50.56 | yerga | AndrewFBlack, pong |
| 15:55.06 | AndrewFBlack | yerga, was looking at a post about a guy who hildonized govert but he didn't upload file you replyed to him did you ever get a copy of it from him? |
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| 15:56.11 | yerga | AndrewFBlack, can you give me the link? I don't remember that right now |
| 15:56.34 | AndrewFBlack | yerga, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16462 |
| 15:57.04 | AndrewFBlack | I got alot of work done redoing ui to look well on small tablet thn found that post |
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| 15:57.23 | AndrewFBlack | I'm not sure how to really hildonized it with the menu and all though |
| 15:57.25 | fiferboy | lcuk: Was your last comment referring to the problem of having the press and (partial) drag in your application, and the release outside of it? |
| 15:58.39 | lcuk | no fiferboy |
| 15:59.00 | fiferboy | lcuk: Ok. I thought that is what you meant when talking about a multi-window environment |
| 15:59.03 | lcuk | it was relating to how an app responds to mouse events after coming back from the screensaver |
| 15:59.18 | lcuk | and whether the saver itself should eat the entire stroke |
| 15:59.35 | lcuk | and how different apps may interpret this partial stroke which didnt have an initial click |
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| 16:00.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: Ah. Sorry, I had it backwards |
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| 16:00.26 | fiferboy | I had to solve the reverse problem - when the release happens outside of my widget |
| 16:00.31 | lcuk | tis ok :) you make good widgets so we will let you off :P |
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| 16:00.50 | fiferboy | personal-photo-frame now had three sizes to select from :) |
| 16:00.53 | yerga | AndrewFBlack, sorry I don't have it. I think I played with it, but I don't find any .deb here. |
| 16:00.57 | lcuk | fiferboy, :D |
| 16:01.09 | yerga | AndrewFBlack, if I find something, I'll talk to you |
| 16:01.10 | SpeedEvil | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1427209/Intel-Updates-SSDs-Supports-TRIM-Faster-Writes - anyone know if the sdxc standard addresses this? Explicit 'I don't want this block anymore' notification? |
| 16:01.11 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:01.41 | AndrewFBlack | yerga, ok Ill keep working on mine, it works just not hildonized |
| 16:01.52 | lcuk | fiferboy, updated? |
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| 16:02.09 | AndrewFBlack | Might make a post on tmo asking for help getting it hildonized |
| 16:02.13 | fiferboy | lcuk: I am just building it to test on the N900, then I will put it in the repo |
| 16:02.23 | lcuk | cool |
| 16:02.34 | lcuk | i just got the YUV overlay to RGB pixmap code put in |
| 16:02.57 | lcuk | i am currently testing it to see how speedy it can be |
| 16:03.02 | fiferboy | resizing desktop widgets requires a bit of a workaround, due to limitations in the "widgets should not resize" mentality |
| 16:03.06 | lcuk | but so far its about 0.6second per frame |
| 16:03.14 | lcuk | yeah i know |
| 16:03.24 | lcuk | do they resize to content or from an option |
| 16:03.32 | fiferboy | From an option |
| 16:04.04 | fiferboy | But if you start off big, and let the user size it smaller, the "X" and spanner icons no longer function in desktop edit mode... |
| 16:04.04 | lcuk | reasonable enough |
| 16:04.05 | lcuk | argh! |
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| 16:04.13 | lcuk | did you try dynamic resizing? |
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| 16:04.29 | fiferboy | lcuk: countdown-home used to resize dynamically (until I read the HIG) |
| 16:04.34 | lcuk | or at least having a bigger, but transparent icon with smaller pic within |
| 16:04.39 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 16:04.54 | fiferboy | The problem is the desktop decides where to put the edit mode icons when the widget is first realized |
| 16:05.12 | fiferboy | So I have it realized at my minimum size so the icons always functions |
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| 16:05.28 | fiferboy | It looks a bit funky in desktop edit mode with larger sizes, but at least it works in all cases |
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| 16:14.46 | jeremiah | -c |
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| 16:26.55 | wazd | can anyone show me FM receiver app screenshot please? |
| 16:29.38 | Jaffa | wazd: I didn't think it had a GUI yet |
| 16:30.50 | wazd | Jaffa: Pycage's app has :) |
| 16:31.09 | wazd | Jaffa: according to Talk |
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| 16:43.14 | lcuk | why would this package not show which repository its in: http://maemo.org/packages/view/zenity/ |
| 16:43.18 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, ^^ |
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| 16:44.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe because it does not have a category beginning with user/. Dunno |
| 16:44.45 | lcuk | ok ill file a bug |
| 16:44.47 | lcuk | cos its in repo |
| 16:44.54 | lcuk | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/z/zenity/ |
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| 16:45.25 | hardaker | ooohhh slashdot post today comparing maemo and android. |
| 16:45.42 | SpeedEvil | My mod points expired as I went to mod it |
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| 16:45.56 | hardaker | Yeah, I don't have any at the moment. |
| 16:46.02 | hardaker | I find I get a lot less reading via RSS feed. |
| 16:46.06 | javispedro | I was able to mod troll to anyone talking about Maemo being better >:) |
| 16:46.59 | airstrike | hardaker: link? |
| 16:47.09 | hardaker | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1335227/Comparing-the-Freedoms-Offered-By-Maemo-and-Android |
| 16:47.16 | airstrike | thanks :) |
| 16:47.30 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: ping |
| 16:47.38 | hardaker | np |
| 16:48.21 | hardaker | Wow. TFA sucks |
| 16:48.35 | javispedro | the comments are not any better. |
| 16:49.03 | hardaker | well, sucks is a bit harsh. How about "hard to read". |
| 16:49.09 | hardaker | obviously blog and not professional journal |
| 16:49.21 | Stskeeps | dirk2: pong |
| 16:49.22 | hardaker | (as if "blogspot" in the URL wasn't enough to say that) |
| 16:49.26 | javispedro | did you know you have to use eclipse to develop for maemo but not for android? |
| 16:49.34 | Jaffa | Hmm. Anyone ever got random "tapping up" emails from Google? |
| 16:49.35 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 16:49.38 | JamieBennett | silly question but what directory do you have to put music in for the media player to see it with the n900? |
| 16:49.44 | hardaker | javispedro: ??? was that in a comment??? |
| 16:50.01 | javispedro | hardaker: yep. sometimes I have to remind myself wrong!=troll |
| 16:50.01 | qwerty12_N810 | JamieBennett: /home/user/MyDocs/.sounds WFM |
| 16:50.06 | JamieBennett | jaffa: What do you mean by tapping up? |
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| 16:50.23 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: Anywhere on the 32GB should work. .sounds on the VFAT (/home/user/MyDocs/.sounds when mounted) |
| 16:50.34 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: Any Maemo5 on Beagle news from your side? I'm just scanning the mailing list ;) |
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| 16:50.38 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: As in, "do you think you might want to work here?" |
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| 16:51.07 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: Had one at the beginning of the year but it was in Switzerland. |
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| 16:51.29 | Stskeeps | dirk2: posted kernel and status update |
| 16:51.55 | Jaffa | JamieBennett: Person has a US phone number. How odd. No harm in asking :) |
| 16:52.04 | JamieBennett | Jaffa: :) |
| 16:52.50 | hrw|gone | bye for now |
| 16:52.56 | dirk2 | reads Stskeeps mail :) |
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| 16:54.41 | JamieBennett | Just put an .mp3 in Music/Podcasts (after plugging in and choosing Mass Storage) and no joy :( |
| 16:55.09 | fiferboy | JamieBennett: Are you still plugged in? |
| 16:55.22 | JamieBennett | yes |
| 16:55.23 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: Great! Sounds like we should go on and concentrate with your approach |
| 16:55.26 | JamieBennett | ah |
| 16:55.31 | JamieBennett | penny drops |
| 16:55.32 | fiferboy | JamieBennett: You have to unplug to get it to show |
| 16:56.06 | lbt | Jaffa: yes |
| 16:56.12 | lbt | it was legit too |
| 16:56.33 | lbt | looked highly dubious though |
| 16:56.47 | lbt | they, er, Google you |
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| 16:59.33 | Stskeeps | dirk2, got a lcd connected to your lcd header by chance? |
| 16:59.46 | fiferboy | Hmm, only two votes to go on Personal Dataplan Monitor... |
| 17:00.08 | Jaffa | lbt: My main question (apart from 'what?' and 'how much?') is 'what was it that put me on your radar?' |
| 17:00.13 | Jaffa | Anyway, hometime. |
| 17:00.16 | Jaffa | s/home/hotel/ |
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| 17:00.50 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: No, unfortunately only DVI |
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| 17:07.12 | lbt | Jaffa: I think presence on mailing lists and the like |
| 17:07.18 | lbt | catch you later |
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| 17:07.47 | Anwarboy11 | i have a release date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:07.54 | Anwarboy11 | for uk ! |
| 17:08.01 | goodnight | lol |
| 17:08.02 | lcuk | you in prison? |
| 17:08.06 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 17:08.07 | goodnight | . |
| 17:08.12 | Anwarboy11 | for the n900 |
| 17:08.17 | Anwarboy11 | read boys/girls |
| 17:08.36 | Anwarboy11 | this is straight from the email i recieved from mpd |
| 17:08.39 | Anwarboy11 | Hi, |
| 17:08.39 | Anwarboy11 | Delivery of Nokia N900 stock into our Nokia stores has unfortunately been delayed by two weeks to w/c 16th November. The delivery when it arrives will be the first N900 stock in the UK and orders will be dispatched on a first ordered, first serve, basis directly from our Nokia stores. For those of you that have already pre-ordered and are expecting dispatch on the 30th October as previously advertised, please accept our sincere apologies and be assured |
| 17:09.38 | Anwarboy11 | .......speechless i suppose? |
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| 17:11.20 | Mek | and what makes you think that this date won't be missed? |
| 17:11.34 | lcuk | mek, he has an email! |
| 17:11.38 | qwerty12_N810 | Damn it, Mek, we were staying speechless |
| 17:11.39 | Flyser | My shop still says December ... |
| 17:11.47 | Mek | oops, sorry :) |
| 17:11.58 | qwerty12_N810 | :p |
| 17:12.08 | lcuk | and ye of little faith mek, what makes you think they wont miss it! |
| 17:12.54 | lcuk | will ^ |
| 17:13.08 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i filed a bug about zenity btw |
| 17:13.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Nice :-) |
| 17:14.45 | Anwarboy11 | wel.. |
| 17:15.10 | Anwarboy11 | its somthing to look forward to |
| 17:15.17 | Anwarboy11 | at least we have some kind of date |
| 17:15.26 | Anwarboy11 | better than "mid nov" |
| 17:16.11 | lcuk | puts his hand up |
| 17:16.12 | javispedro | how many bugs filled in a month? It feels like it was yesterday when I noticed bug 5000 was filled. |
| 17:16.17 | fiferboy | Isn't November 16th mid-November ;) |
| 17:16.31 | lcuk | week commencing 16th nov actually fiferboy |
| 17:16.46 | lcuk | javispedro, GOOD |
| 17:16.48 | fiferboy | Ah, I thought w/c stood for Water Closet in the UK... |
| 17:16.53 | fiferboy | lcuk ^ |
| 17:16.56 | javispedro | :) |
| 17:16.59 | lcuk | haha |
| 17:17.16 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 17:17.41 | Anwarboy11 | i just been pestering mpd on release dates, they always seem to tell me =) |
| 17:19.42 | javispedro | wow, quite an story for a horror movie https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5712 |
| 17:20.00 | javispedro | "swap hell despite free ram" :S |
| 17:21.20 | toggles_1 | standard, my n810 does the same after about 4 hrs |
| 17:21.45 | qwerty12_N810 | toggles_1: INVALID: Your N810 isn't an N900 :p |
| 17:21.50 | toggles_1 | lol |
| 17:22.05 | toggles_1 | still, to be expected i think, hoping mer will fix it ;-) |
| 17:22.14 | javispedro | to be expected? O.o |
| 17:22.31 | toggles_1 | it's probably maemo-launcher on the n900 too |
| 17:23.10 | javispedro | it seems like a kernel issue though. |
| 17:24.09 | Anwarboy11 | do u think n900 can run oldd pc games |
| 17:24.19 | Anwarboy11 | ones that require minimal spec? |
| 17:24.31 | toggles_1 | it runs second reality, don't see why not |
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| 17:24.37 | lcuk | yeah, someone ran a cool classic pc game on it |
| 17:24.47 | Anwarboy11 | which one was that |
| 17:24.48 | lcuk | i think it was called "windows 3.11" or something |
| 17:24.51 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 17:24.54 | Anwarboy11 | yh i seen that |
| 17:25.00 | Anwarboy11 | solitare he playd |
| 17:25.04 | lcuk | didnt have very high fps tho |
| 17:25.08 | lcuk | would get fragged often |
| 17:25.08 | Anwarboy11 | im talking about somthing liek tomb raider 1 |
| 17:25.17 | javispedro | bah, so many things to do and so little time. |
| 17:25.23 | lcuk | cloning |
| 17:25.36 | lcuk | wishes he had that tech |
| 17:26.31 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: And you can! For the low, low price of £9.99! |
| 17:26.43 | javispedro | or a time stopper gadget. |
| 17:26.59 | lcuk | fiferboy, can you knock up a time stopping widget |
| 17:27.33 | lcuk | you will need to install the flux capacitor package (i think its in harmattan extras-devel atm |
| 17:27.33 | fiferboy | lcuk: For stopping time relative to you, or stopping universal time once and for all? |
| 17:27.51 | lcuk | relative to self |
| 17:27.57 | Anwarboy11 | anyone think they cud port psx emu to n900 |
| 17:28.05 | lcuk | and which doesnt involve me travelling away at light speed |
| 17:28.16 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, sure, gimme 5 minutes |
| 17:28.37 | javispedro | pupnik tried iirc, n8x0. |
| 17:28.57 | fiferboy | lcuk: There is a limitation in the current hildon-desktop (related to the swiping gesture) the prevents local time relativity changes... |
| 17:29.12 | lcuk | ahhh right |
| 17:29.17 | lcuk | just disable the extra desktops |
| 17:29.19 | javispedro | because damn time is non-free . |
| 17:29.22 | lcuk | and then swiping is removed |
| 17:29.26 | javispedro | we need OSS version ASAP. |
| 17:29.26 | lcuk | and it can be included |
| 17:29.28 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Stop being Canadian, apt-get source hildon-home, and get to work! |
| 17:29.58 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I am currently working on a citizenship-changing widget, but the only option so far is "Canadian" :P |
| 17:30.09 | qwerty12_N810 | Hehe |
| 17:30.10 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 17:30.25 | Anwarboy11 | im currently learning c++ |
| 17:30.29 | Anwarboy11 | very basic stuff |
| 17:30.41 | Anwarboy11 | but ime really confused with this boolean stuf? |
| 17:31.07 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Would you just go out and buy a dataplan already? And rate personal-gprs-mon? |
| 17:31.09 | lcuk | with boolean you either get it, or you don't. |
| 17:31.10 | javispedro | well, boolean stuff is boolean. |
| 17:31.23 | fiferboy | lcuk: That was terrible |
| 17:31.33 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Meh, even I get it... |
| 17:31.46 | javispedro | fiferboy: he was trying to outrun me in my stand up comedian career. |
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| 17:31.59 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: I'm tempted to thumb it down just for that comment |
| 17:32.00 | Anwarboy11 | :S |
| 17:32.06 | lcuk | almost as bad as "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't" |
| 17:32.07 | Anwarboy11 | very helpful |
| 17:32.08 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: :P |
| 17:32.26 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, boolean logic is true/false you make comarisons and stuff |
| 17:32.36 | Anwarboy11 | hrm |
| 17:32.41 | fiferboy | lcuk: That one really only works in print. I try telling orally and it always flops |
| 17:32.42 | lcuk | its your basic building blocks of all computer software |
| 17:32.49 | Anwarboy11 | the tuturial i was reading started adding number values |
| 17:32.54 | Anwarboy11 | which i dont knw where they came from |
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| 17:32.57 | Anwarboy11 | :S |
| 17:33.12 | TomaszD | fiferboy, around? |
| 17:33.17 | GeneralAntilles | These /. comments are depressing. |
| 17:33.18 | lcuk | fiferboy, confuse them more by converting what you want to say to binary |
| 17:33.20 | fiferboy | TomaszD: Here |
| 17:33.21 | Anwarboy11 | if anyone can link to a good tutorial that wud be helpful |
| 17:33.30 | frals | <lcuk> with boolean you either get it, or you don't. <- lol |
| 17:33.31 | lcuk | one one zero zero one one one zero zero one one one! |
| 17:33.41 | fiferboy | lcuk: Like the robot joke? 011010010110101... 2 |
| 17:33.45 | Anwarboy11 | 0010000111001 =2 :} |
| 17:33.50 | lcuk | hahahaha |
| 17:33.51 | Anwarboy11 | loool |
| 17:34.58 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, it's me looking like a tired idiot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4048835988/ |
| 17:35.28 | qwerty12_N810 | gives GeneralAntilles a truck-load of Red Bull |
| 17:35.37 | Anwarboy11 | ............i still dont get boolean |
| 17:35.49 | Anwarboy11 | i did only start learning yesterday tho .... |
| 17:36.39 | lcuk | you only started boolean, or programming yesterday? |
| 17:36.48 | javispedro | true. |
| 17:37.27 | qwerty12_N810 | !false |
| 17:37.53 | lcuk | fiferboy, i updated photo |
| 17:38.01 | lcuk | but it hasnt got new ui |
| 17:38.10 | lcuk | do i need to reboot |
| 17:38.15 | Anwarboy11 | true |
| 17:38.18 | fiferboy | lucWhat version? |
| 17:38.29 | fiferboy | lcuk^ |
| 17:38.34 | lcuk | how do i find out version |
| 17:38.39 | Anwarboy11 | i only started yesterday.. before that i only knw gcse html |
| 17:38.42 | lcuk | curses apps for not having compiled in version |
| 17:39.06 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, boolean is True/False |
| 17:39.13 | Anwarboy11 | yh i knw |
| 17:39.15 | fiferboy | lcuk: apt-cache policy personal-photo-frame |
| 17:39.32 | Anwarboy11 | buts its them && || ! that anny me |
| 17:39.35 | lcuk | what if i just used configure make make install? |
| 17:39.41 | lcuk | ahhh operators |
| 17:39.46 | lcuk | not the actually boolean itself |
| 17:39.51 | Anwarboy11 | yh |
| 17:39.54 | Anwarboy11 | that bit |
| 17:39.58 | fiferboy | lcuk: You built it from source? |
| 17:40.07 | lcuk | fiferboy, hypothetical case |
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| 17:40.11 | Anwarboy11 | im not getting multiple sybols |
| 17:40.19 | Anwarboy11 | or and if ....and so on |
| 17:40.25 | fiferboy | Ah. Usually the directory is named something like personal-photo-frame-0.2 |
| 17:40.38 | lcuk | in c, and c++, you must remember operator precidence |
| 17:40.41 | lcuk | and if you are unsure |
| 17:40.44 | fiferboy | lcuk: But from source you can always look at the debian/changelog (for maemo packages) |
| 17:40.48 | lcuk | wrap each piece of the equation in brackets |
| 17:40.53 | lardman | dreams of strangling the person(s) who wrote the sw for the Tesco "self service" checkouts |
| 17:41.11 | fiferboy | lardman: You might want to see someone about your dreams... |
| 17:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=359051&postcount=13 |
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| 17:41.23 | lcuk | lardman, its evil |
| 17:41.34 | lardman | fiferboy: yes, the person who wrote the sw; my dreams will soon go away |
| 17:41.38 | lcuk | fiferboy, i meant in a general sense |
| 17:41.48 | lcuk | i come from windows where build version is embedded into the binary |
| 17:42.06 | lardman | so which particular bit of the AWS do I need to look at for accessing product info? |
| 17:42.10 | fiferboy | lardman: lol |
| 17:42.52 | lcuk | i cant apt-get source on device |
| 17:43.11 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: scratchbox |
| 17:43.13 | Anwarboy11 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359109#post359109 |
| 17:43.14 | lcuk | curious, im missing sha256sum |
| 17:43.22 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, but ive used it before |
| 17:43.28 | timeless_mbp | looks for someone w/ an n900 browser they're willing to crash |
| 17:43.29 | qwerty12_N810 | use it again |
| 17:43.31 | lcuk | without messing |
| 17:43.37 | lcuk | me timeless |
| 17:43.45 | fiferboy | lcuk: Do you have extras-devel on the N900? If not, you don't have the updated UI version |
| 17:43.49 | lcuk | was still trying to do the other stuff, but since i cant |
| 17:43.49 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Easily done... What do you want doing? |
| 17:43.55 | airstrike | looks for an n900 |
| 17:44.01 | lcuk | yes fifer i just refreshed and updated |
| 17:44.07 | lcuk | i had an older one from -testing |
| 17:44.09 | lcuk | and upgraded it |
| 17:44.20 | fiferboy | lcuk: Even if you have extras-devel, I don't think the new one has imported yet |
| 17:44.40 | fiferboy | I just uploaded it less than an hour ago, and the product page is not showing it as imported into extras-devel |
| 17:44.50 | lcuk | doh! |
| 17:44.52 | Anwarboy11 | check my app idea out people ... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359109#post359109 |
| 17:44.52 | fiferboy | lcuk: You probably have my "new" version from last night... |
| 17:44.55 | lcuk | k |
| 17:45.31 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, theres a lot of hand waving going on in your post |
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| 17:45.43 | RST38h | moos again |
| 17:46.07 | lcuk | hi rst |
| 17:46.32 | Anwarboy11 | hand waving? |
| 17:46.35 | qwerty12_N810 | gets the sudden urge to obtain milk |
| 17:46.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Moo, RST38h |
| 17:47.01 | javispedro | remoo rst |
| 17:47.08 | lcuk | yes Anwarboy11 its actually quite a difficult problem is image tiling and merging |
| 17:47.16 | lcuk | theres software available to do it |
| 17:47.18 | RST38h | Heya all, how are things? |
| 17:47.19 | lcuk | but its non trivial |
| 17:47.32 | Anwarboy11 | u knw like on all decent camera phones at the moment |
| 17:47.36 | lcuk | or should i say |
| 17:47.40 | Anwarboy11 | there is panoramic option |
| 17:47.45 | lcuk | its (!trivial) |
| 17:47.54 | Anwarboy11 | just extend that feature , to 360 degrees |
| 17:48.14 | Anwarboy11 | dusnt sound like a hard conecpt to me |
| 17:48.29 | SpeedEvil | I was wanting an option for that on my openstreetmaps thing I'm thinking of features for |
| 17:48.44 | javispedro | I wonder if there are OSS algorithms for that? |
| 17:48.49 | SpeedEvil | A nice way of quickly using video rate images, with a quick piviot to do a low-res pan |
| 17:49.23 | lcuk | timeless, did you crash your own browser before telling us? |
| 17:49.36 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Under Fremantle, do you have a choice of preferred colour widget? |
| 17:49.57 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: What do you mean? |
| 17:50.11 | fiferboy | There are a bunch of predefined theme colours you can choose from... |
| 17:51.02 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Sorry, I failed to parse that one, too. I mean, do you prefer the Hildon colour selection widget (depreciated) or the GTK one under Fremantle? |
| 17:51.22 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Neither :| |
| 17:51.23 | lardman | ah, looks like the Product Advertising API is what I need.... |
| 17:52.05 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: he_color_* are what I use (disclaimer: I wrote them) |
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| 17:52.43 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Interesting... Mind if I steal? |
| 17:52.57 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Steal away. Get the latest source for countdown-home |
| 17:53.17 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks :) |
| 17:53.43 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: I asked beagle people regarding LCD issue. They said the lcd and dvi outputs are the same thing |
| 17:54.28 | dirk2 | Stskeeps: Maybe you like to discuss this at #beagle? |
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| 17:55.33 | javispedro | fiferboy: wasn't he_* part of hildon-extras? |
| 17:56.14 | fiferboy | javispedro: Sadly I have been very lax in actually putting it in the garage project |
| 17:56.23 | javispedro | a |
| 17:56.30 | fiferboy | I have to do that soon, and then address a couple of issues (multiple labels, easy colour selector) |
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| 17:57.39 | Flandry_ | does anyone export the SDK display to a remote computer |
| 17:57.41 | wazd | so, anyone to shot n900 FM receiver app for me please? :) |
| 17:58.54 | Flandry_ | eg their host system |
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| 18:01.00 | javispedro | Flandry_: elaborate? you always have to export $DISPLAY before getting the SDK UI up. |
| 18:01.36 | Flandry_ | now i'm exporting to the host from the virtual machine |
| 18:01.38 | lcuk | wazd, which app |
| 18:02.01 | Flandry_ | i get the maemo desktop and UI, but all apps are blank |
| 18:02.03 | wazd | lcuk: PyCage's |
| 18:02.13 | Flandry_ | figured i probably forgot something simple |
| 18:02.55 | lcuk | wazd, http://maemo.org/packages/view/fmradio/ ? |
| 18:02.58 | javispedro | I think you need XShm. |
| 18:03.29 | javispedro | between compositor and X11 server at least (AFAIK, never tried) |
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| 18:04.15 | wazd | lcuk: I guess |
| 18:04.22 | Flandry_ | oh |
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| 18:04.55 | Flandry_ | i thought x client/server was the whole pizza |
| 18:05.23 | Flandry_ | ok well not worth figuring out |
| 18:05.26 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: yes |
| 18:05.28 | Flandry_ | thanks |
| 18:05.31 | timeless_mbp | but my browser was older than your browser |
| 18:05.40 | timeless_mbp | and i hadn't had time to read the code yet |
| 18:05.48 | timeless_mbp | i've now read it |
| 18:05.55 | lcuk | ahh, so is it still in need of breaking? |
| 18:06.02 | timeless_mbp | breaking? |
| 18:06.07 | timeless_mbp | it's missing an entire section of code |
| 18:07.00 | javispedro | Flandry_: not only that, but also you are not getting accelerated GL. |
| 18:07.29 | Flandry_ | it's a vm anyway |
| 18:07.59 | Anwarboy11 | http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/10/cockroach-recycling/ |
| 18:08.11 | javispedro | I was experimenting with VMGL but all I got was X11 protocol weirdness. Hope I can find an afternoon worth of free time soon to waste it with a gdb session. |
| 18:09.06 | Flandry_ | it's definitely nice to have vbox minimized and a maemo and scratchbox shell open on host |
| 18:09.26 | lcuk | o_O timeless |
| 18:09.31 | lcuk | relating to what? |
| 18:09.40 | timeless_mbp | proxying GLists |
| 18:09.46 | timeless_mbp | gimme a bit to file the bug |
| 18:09.54 | lcuk | k |
| 18:10.46 | javispedro | Flandry_: an interesting alternative is to edit the VBox X11 server to be the Maemo one. |
| 18:10.52 | javispedro | I mean. |
| 18:11.24 | javispedro | edit the virtualized Ubuntu/Debian/whatever gdm so that it starts a 800x480 server and switch to it. |
| 18:11.40 | javispedro | then you have a 800x480 vbox window. |
| 18:11.42 | Flandry_ | hmm |
| 18:12.10 | javispedro | you also gain accelerated GL (if vbox supports it, and I think it does) |
| 18:12.33 | Anwarboy11 | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/hands-on-with-nokias-n900/ |
| 18:13.25 | javispedro | not-so-finished in oct 27th? |
| 18:13.38 | Flandry_ | vbox ose guest additions don't work with my present kernel apparently |
| 18:13.57 | Flandry_ | so i was just hoping to avoid the whole cursor lock thing |
| 18:14.09 | javispedro | ah, well. |
| 18:14.12 | Flandry_ | but it will do the job |
| 18:14.26 | timeless_mbp | 5855 for people who are curious |
| 18:14.28 | Flandry_ | i've spent enough time fighting with the sdk :/ |
| 18:14.30 | aSIMULAtur | i like how, in the wired video...he's talking about a pannable desktop but then he's showing hte browser's visual history |
| 18:14.47 | Anwarboy11 | yh so dumb |
| 18:15.05 | Flandry_ | same concept anyway guys |
| 18:15.16 | javispedro | proves people can't tell the diference. |
| 18:15.19 | Flandry_ | i find them bothe equally cool anywoy |
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| 18:15.53 | aSIMULAtur | scratches her head |
| 18:16.04 | lcuk | scratches aSIMULAtur's head |
| 18:16.17 | Anwarboy11 | i wuite like that first pic of the nokia with the sun glare in the back |
| 18:16.19 | qwerty12_N810 | watches as aSIMULAtur slaps lcuk |
| 18:16.30 | aSIMULAtur | why would i slap for a nice head scratch? :) |
| 18:16.47 | Anwarboy11 | slaps aSIMULAtur around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:16.56 | qwerty12_N810 | aSIMULAtur: I just wanted him to be slapped :( |
| 18:17.01 | aSIMULAtur | knees Anwarboy11 in the gut |
| 18:17.22 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, it might help you to know aSIMULAtur likes MMA |
| 18:17.30 | lcuk | and welcomes a chance to use her knowledge |
| 18:17.37 | aSIMULAtur | :P |
| 18:17.43 | aSIMULAtur | i'm actually a muay thai fighter not an MMA practitioner |
| 18:17.46 | aSIMULAtur | i just like watching MMA |
| 18:18.12 | aSIMULAtur | anyone else like fighting? |
| 18:18.17 | aSIMULAtur | or am i in the wrong channel :D |
| 18:18.28 | RST38h | aSiMuLaTuR |
| 18:18.35 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: his hair is strange |
| 18:19.10 | aSIMULAtur | who's hair? |
| 18:19.10 | Anwarboy11 | yh i love watching martial arts movie's |
| 18:19.18 | Anwarboy11 | also im a red belt in soo bahk do |
| 18:19.22 | timeless_mbp | wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10 |
| 18:19.26 | aSIMULAtur | o hehe |
| 18:19.28 | Anwarboy11 | anyone seen fearless here? |
| 18:19.31 | aSIMULAtur | we were laughing at the video earlier |
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| 18:19.43 | aSIMULAtur | what's red belt in big fat ho |
| 18:19.49 | Anwarboy11 | timeless put http before links so we can click on em |
| 18:20.07 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: use your scrollback |
| 18:20.16 | timeless_mbp | it's your stupid link |
| 18:20.18 | aSIMULAtur | PWNED |
| 18:20.51 | javispedro | note. if you open a gaming console marketing link, you DON'T put paletted GIF screenshots of your games. |
| 18:20.57 | javispedro | s/link/site |
| 18:21.11 | javispedro | http://www.hardkernel.com/ |
| 18:21.24 | javispedro | (oDROID stuff) |
| 18:23.52 | AndrewFBlack | I'm working on hildonizing a program written in Python with a Glade UI I'm trying to follow a how to from maemo.org but I can't figure out where to put my new hildonized menu |
| 18:24.51 | qwerty12_N810 | AndrewFBlack: Read the PyMaemo tutorial; it has a nice step-by-step on how GPodder's menu was reparented, and that was using Glade |
| 18:25.48 | timeless_mbp | oh right |
| 18:25.54 | timeless_mbp | goes to change "Reject" to "Busy" |
| 18:26.00 | aSIMULAtur | don't forget |
| 18:26.09 | *** join/#maemo igagis_ (n=igagis@ns2.vsev.lanck.net) |
| 18:26.10 | aSIMULAtur | "and" |
| 18:26.13 | aSIMULAtur | take that out |
| 18:26.14 | aSIMULAtur | :P |
| 18:26.18 | aSIMULAtur | then i will be happy happy |
| 18:26.19 | aSIMULAtur | forever |
| 18:26.20 | aSIMULAtur | and ever |
| 18:26.34 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Have you replaced "On Ho" yet? =) |
| 18:26.39 | Anwarboy11 | n900 v htc hd2 ....... views ? |
| 18:26.51 | aSIMULAtur | can u make a lolspeak stringset timeless |
| 18:27.00 | timeless_mbp | aSIMULAtor: we could |
| 18:27.11 | aSIMULAtur | LETS DO IT |
| 18:27.12 | timeless_mbp | still need to decide if we want to do something lolyer speak |
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| 18:27.37 | aSIMULAtur | ifi used those strings i'd probably throw my device across the room due to frustration |
| 18:27.40 | timeless_mbp | it actually wouldn't cost much on the ui side... |
| 18:27.40 | Myrtti | Anwarboy11: have a cookie! |
| 18:27.58 | aSIMULAtur | maybe i should make a pink kitty theme just for kicks |
| 18:28.01 | aSIMULAtur | and kitten icons |
| 18:28.05 | timeless_mbp | a bit more math here or there |
| 18:28.18 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i saw someone w/ a decent theme + icon set |
| 18:28.27 | timeless_mbp | did anyone package the startup movie yet? |
| 18:28.34 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 18:29.13 | Anwarboy11 | can someone tell me about ovi maps.... i heard theyr really unreliable. any chance of google maps coming to n900 |
| 18:29.38 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: define coming? |
| 18:29.41 | timeless_mbp | you can use google maps today |
| 18:29.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Anwarboy11: Unreliable is an understatement... |
| 18:29.48 | timeless_mbp | in the browser |
| 18:29.53 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I would but it's pre-watershed |
| 18:30.16 | timeless_mbp | pre-watershed? |
| 18:30.22 | Anwarboy11 | hmm |
| 18:30.28 | Anwarboy11 | im talking an app |
| 18:30.34 | Anwarboy11 | ive just had an iphone |
| 18:30.40 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: like maemo mapper? |
| 18:30.46 | Anwarboy11 | although it was missing simple stuff it was a great device |
| 18:30.49 | Anwarboy11 | yhyh |
| 18:31.06 | Anwarboy11 | i really likes the bbc iplayer on iphone |
| 18:31.23 | Anwarboy11 | the quality was v good well better than the ones on n-series at the time |
| 18:31.35 | Anwarboy11 | i hope they make an iplayer app for n900 |
| 18:31.45 | SpeedEvil | get_iplayer :) |
| 18:31.46 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: did you try an n8x0? |
| 18:32.18 | SpeedEvil | Anwarboy11: you really need an unlimited plan if you're going to be doing much iplayering |
| 18:32.52 | Anwarboy11 | yh ive preoderd on tmobile with web n walk |
| 18:32.57 | Anwarboy11 | anyway i use more wifi |
| 18:33.06 | Anwarboy11 | and ive not tried an n810 |
| 18:33.21 | Myrtti | my brain implodes in pain of this discussion |
| 18:33.34 | Anwarboy11 | im just hoping the n900 is better than iphone |
| 18:33.44 | SpeedEvil | web+walk is 1G normal per-month |
| 18:33.48 | Anwarboy11 | i bought a samsung jet and returnd it the nxt day |
| 18:33.53 | Anwarboy11 | was not a match |
| 18:34.01 | Anwarboy11 | then bought n97 |
| 18:34.08 | Anwarboy11 | felt like throwing it in the fire |
| 18:34.18 | Anwarboy11 | hope this n900 wont be like that |
| 18:34.24 | SpeedEvil | In many ways the n900 is enormously superior to the iphone. |
| 18:34.28 | SpeedEvil | In others, it's vastly inferior. |
| 18:34.42 | SpeedEvil | If you - for example - want the huge app-store, that won't be there at launch |
| 18:34.50 | timeless_mbp | or this year ;-) |
| 18:34.50 | Anwarboy11 | it just needs the community |
| 18:34.54 | Anwarboy11 | and app store yh |
| 18:35.05 | timeless_mbp | what the heck is 'yh'? |
| 18:35.11 | timeless_mbp | and what's wrong with using real words? |
| 18:35.26 | Anwarboy11 | even tho n900 can play stuff like youtube direct from page, it would be usefull if ther was a dedicated app. |
| 18:35.53 | ShadowJK | aren't there a ton of dedicated youtube apps... |
| 18:35.54 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, see this yet? ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/jjackowski/4048835988/ |
| 18:36.01 | Anwarboy11 | ok, i'll try and use better english |
| 18:36.08 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, are you going to write it? (boolean answer required) |
| 18:36.10 | Myrtti | comparing any phone to another manufactured by a different company is about as useful as comparing cats to dogs as predators. |
| 18:36.13 | airstrike | False |
| 18:36.26 | lcuk | waves @ Myrtti |
| 18:36.27 | Myrtti | and there's a riddle for you |
| 18:36.35 | Myrtti | waves at lcuk |
| 18:36.38 | Anwarboy11 | laughing out loud (lol) i would love to write applications if i knew how |
| 18:36.55 | Anwarboy11 | false |
| 18:36.55 | airstrike | learn something new everyday :) |
| 18:36.56 | timeless_mbp | Myrtti: comparing two vendor's android phones from the same year is probably not that bad |
| 18:36.57 | Anwarboy11 | 0 |
| 18:37.06 | timeless_mbp | but that's because they're almost a family |
| 18:37.11 | lardman | Anwarboy11: try Python |
| 18:37.11 | *** join/#maemo koan (n=koan@unaffiliated/koan) |
| 18:37.24 | airstrike | <3s Python |
| 18:37.25 | wiretapped | rolling on the floor laughing |
| 18:37.28 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: the exception that confirms the rule |
| 18:37.34 | Anwarboy11 | ive been told to do c++ first so i'm working on that |
| 18:37.38 | timeless_mbp | Myrtti: agreed |
| 18:37.41 | airstrike | what? lies! |
| 18:37.44 | airstrike | C++ is so messy |
| 18:38.01 | airstrike | ducks |
| 18:38.01 | lardman | ~lart people who write Amazon code C#and Java because that means no-one writes in C |
| 18:38.01 | infobot | crushes people who write Amazon code C#and Java because that means no-one writes in C with a full height scsi disk |
| 18:38.01 | Myrtti | bash is pretty |
| 18:38.02 | timeless_mbp | airstrike: just wait for Qt :) |
| 18:38.08 | timeless_mbp | likes perl+zenity |
| 18:38.10 | Anwarboy11 | c++ so i can use qt...whatever that is |
| 18:38.21 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: you can use Qt from Python |
| 18:38.22 | timeless_mbp | or Perl |
| 18:38.23 | airstrike | uses PyQt |
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| 18:38.28 | timeless_mbp | or most other languages |
| 18:38.35 | *** join/#maemo Firebird (n=Firebird@pool-138-88-201-253.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 18:38.38 | Myrtti | Anwarboy11: good luck in your aspirations... you might need it |
| 18:38.50 | Anwarboy11 | im confused now |
| 18:39.03 | Anwarboy11 | all you guys tell me to learn different languages |
| 18:39.07 | airstrike | haha |
| 18:39.09 | timeless_mbp | i haven't |
| 18:39.12 | Anwarboy11 | c, c++, python |
| 18:39.20 | timeless_mbp | i'm just saying you should figure out what you're trying to do first |
| 18:39.20 | lcuk | Anwarboy11, http://www.lolpix.com/pictures/2/Funny_Pictures_660.htm |
| 18:39.20 | Anwarboy11 | no not you in particular |
| 18:39.24 | AndrewFBlack | qwerty12_N810, where is the Pymaemo tutorial maemo.org ? |
| 18:39.25 | timeless_mbp | do a bit of planning/research |
| 18:39.25 | *** join/#maemo Khertan (i=507db07e@gateway/web/freenode/x-bmmlsytxdllfppkb) |
| 18:39.26 | airstrike | don't take my word for anything :P |
| 18:39.27 | Myrtti | Anwarboy11: I tell you to use lisp |
| 18:39.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Anwarboy11: Google "ARM ASM" |
| 18:39.33 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 18:39.38 | Anwarboy11 | loooll nice kitten |
| 18:39.38 | airstrike | lisp was fun for a while |
| 18:39.43 | Myrtti | lisp, or schema |
| 18:39.50 | airstrike | yeah, dr. scheme |
| 18:39.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Anwarboy11: ASM is the easiest language by far |
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| 18:39.54 | airstrike | then it got really confusing and i dropped it :P |
| 18:40.01 | Myrtti | or BBC Basic |
| 18:40.03 | Myrtti | :-P |
| 18:40.04 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, how come he didn't put AKA AndrewFBlack by my name |
| 18:40.12 | airstrike | Anwarboy11: don't listen to them :P |
| 18:40.14 | qwerty12_N810 | AndrewFBlack: pymaemo.garage.maemo.org , I guess |
| 18:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, lol. |
| 18:40.26 | Anwarboy11 | :S |
| 18:40.38 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, someone might not knowwho I am |
| 18:40.41 | airstrike | Anwarboy11: just learn C++ or python.. or both! but if you start with C++ you'll be glad you learned python whereas if you go the other way around you'll be somewhat frustrated :P |
| 18:40.50 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, send him a message, then. :P |
| 18:40.55 | Anwarboy11 | i just wan't to learn somthing that will let me code for my future n900!"!!!!! |
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| 18:41.02 | AndrewFBlack | lol I am wonder why he only put 1 photo up to took like 100 |
| 18:41.03 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: ARM ASM +1 |
| 18:41.04 | Khertan_ | Hi ! |
| 18:41.08 | Khertan_ | again ... |
| 18:41.11 | airstrike | C++ has a much steeper learning curve than python imho |
| 18:41.29 | lardman | yeah, with Python you'll be up and running in 10min flat |
| 18:41.44 | qwerty12_N810 | ARM ARM is 5 mins |
| 18:41.46 | Anwarboy11 | i got to if funtions in c++ and im stuck |
| 18:41.49 | timeless_mbp | Anwarboy11: just about anything will let you do that |
| 18:42.16 | AndrewFBlack | 2 hours left til I get my n900 |
| 18:42.36 | Khertan_ | someone have a turn around ? |
| 18:42.45 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: With ARM ASM, can I run the same code on my desktop computer? |
| 18:42.56 | RST38h | Finally, FAA is considering prohibiting Li-based batteries on the planes |
| 18:42.58 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, eyes only for you. :P |
| 18:43.07 | RST38h | Say bye bye to that laptop =) |
| 18:43.13 | Khertan_ | fiferboy of course ... if you use an arm :) |
| 18:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, lol. |
| 18:43.14 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Only if you don't use the Canadian variant |
| 18:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | Business people will riot. |
| 18:43.22 | Khertan_ | while trying to use git on my n900 i got this : fatal: git-push is not available for http/https repository when not compiled with USE_CURL_MULTI |
| 18:43.28 | fiferboy | I have arms! I'm switching all my development RIGHT NOW! |
| 18:43.47 | RST38h | General: National security is at stake, nobody gives a damn about business people any more |
| 18:43.58 | Mousey | link? |
| 18:44.01 | Anwarboy11 | IM ONLY 15! i'm guessing all you guys are 30 year olds who have been coding since 5 |
| 18:44.16 | Khertan_ | haha |
| 18:44.18 | timeless_mbp | 29 and 6 |
| 18:44.25 | Khertan_ | hqhq |
| 18:44.27 | Khertan_ | lcuk ? |
| 18:44.29 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 18:44.33 | Anwarboy11 | loll |
| 18:44.35 | RST38h | Yes we are all old farts |
| 18:44.44 | Mousey | good, if you're only 15, you can still start now and say "i started when i was 15" and people will be all, woooow |
| 18:44.45 | hardaker | wishes he was still 30 |
| 18:44.50 | Anwarboy11 | na |
| 18:44.51 | RST38h | Half of us are pedophiles, another half is underground FBI agents |
| 18:44.59 | RST38h | The usual Internet stuff, you know |
| 18:45.04 | fiferboy | Which half is qwerty12? |
| 18:45.12 | Khertan_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.17 | RST38h | both, he is a double agent |
| 18:45.19 | Anwarboy11 | i guess half of u have beards |
| 18:45.24 | Khertan_ | qwerty6 |
| 18:45.27 | Khertan_ | half ... |
| 18:45.29 | Anwarboy11 | and have a mug of coffee in ure left hand |
| 18:45.31 | Khertan_ | ok ... |
| 18:45.37 | Khertan_ | i go out |
| 18:45.44 | ShadowJK | I have a pint of cola in my left hand |
| 18:45.45 | Anwarboy11 | and dual screen monitors |
| 18:45.47 | lardman | RST38h: I've always wondered if a pedophile is someone who loves feet? |
| 18:45.47 | airstrike | Anwarboy11: i'm 24 and i don't even code for a living :P |
| 18:45.54 | javispedro | dang it. and I know I'm not a underground FBI agent. |
| 18:46.03 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 18:46.16 | airstrike | i just like doing some coding on my spare time.. it eases my mind |
| 18:46.21 | Khertan_ | 27 professionnal 4d developper |
| 18:46.25 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: you're an aboveground one? |
| 18:46.35 | airstrike | www.instantrimshot.com |
| 18:46.43 | Anwarboy11 | i got my maths a lvl in a month! |
| 18:46.46 | RST38h | lardman: or walking. |
| 18:46.53 | javispedro | ssh. |
| 18:47.07 | Khertan_ | so anyone use git push on his n900 ? |
| 18:47.10 | ShadowJK | used to do coding for fun, but now it's more of a necessity in spare time to fix gaps where existing tools fail |
| 18:47.12 | airstrike | Anwarboy11: be glad you're young and when you're 24 like me (or 40+ like some here), computers are going to rock even more :P |
| 18:47.12 | FBIqwertydapedo | RST38h: Or wanking to feet |
| 18:47.16 | airstrike | and C++ is going to be a thing of the past |
| 18:47.23 | RST38h | lardman: personally, I always wondered of a difference between pedagogues and pedophiles |
| 18:47.23 | lardman | RST38h: or soil, so wikipedia tells me :) |
| 18:47.26 | airstrike | ShadowJK: also that |
| 18:47.30 | fiferboy | lardman: Or.. podiatry? |
| 18:47.33 | RST38h | lardman: they both like children, right? |
| 18:47.43 | Khertan_ | airstirke it s already a things of the past |
| 18:47.54 | Anwarboy11 | i think i shud just go back to cod4...... |
| 18:48.04 | javispedro | !false. |
| 18:48.11 | lardman | ah, latin ped- = foot, but greek pedo = child or soil |
| 18:48.19 | Anwarboy11 | lol |
| 18:48.24 | Anwarboy11 | ||!&& |
| 18:48.29 | airstrike | or not and? |
| 18:48.49 | javispedro | Khertan_: eaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasy: port libcurl4 under a diferent soname and then create a special build of git-core. |
| 18:49.15 | wanttousegitpush | javispedro : hum ... |
| 18:49.17 | javispedro | and I think I have the libcurl4 part already done. |
| 18:49.41 | javispedro | well, halfdone. |
| 18:49.47 | wanttousegitpush | python doesn t want to compile c libs :) |
| 18:49.49 | Anwarboy11 | zagg better make an invisiblesheild for n900 |
| 18:50.12 | lardman | hmm, continuing my grammatical quest, in England we use paedo, no clue where that comes from |
| 18:50.22 | javispedro | hides |
| 18:50.28 | qwerty12_N810 | paedo: named after lardman |
| 18:50.44 | wanttousegitpush | anwarboy11 ... u remember me that i need to finish the saber |
| 18:50.48 | lardman | you wish ;) |
| 18:50.53 | RST38h | lardman: that is solely to fool the web filters =) |
| 18:51.00 | lardman | ah! |
| 18:51.04 | Anwarboy11 | finish the sabre....? |
| 18:51.06 | RST38h | lardman: see, you brits are more cunning than americans =) |
| 18:51.11 | wanttousegitpush | saber |
| 18:51.20 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Your victim wished it wasn't true, as well... |
| 18:51.23 | Anwarboy11 | sabre.. im in england not america |
| 18:51.24 | lardman | yeah, is that a surprise |
| 18:51.42 | lardman | oops |
| 18:51.43 | wanttousegitpush | yep msaber a stupid useless light saber imitation for fremantle |
| 18:51.43 | *** join/#maemo florian (n=fuchs@g228140125.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:52.06 | RST38h | in England, that should be Fremantel, shouldn't it? |
| 18:52.15 | javispedro | that sounds French. |
| 18:52.18 | Anwarboy11 | real light sabre that i made!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5ZrC0iGxc&feature=player_profilepage |
| 18:52.19 | lardman | yeah |
| 18:52.26 | RST38h | saber, fremantel... |
| 18:52.37 | lardman | RST38h: saber is US |
| 18:52.42 | lardman | we say sabre |
| 18:52.43 | Anwarboy11 | no in england it would be .le |
| 18:52.45 | Anwarboy11 | an .re |
| 18:52.48 | Khertan | what sound french ? saber ? |
| 18:52.56 | RST38h | ok, so Fremantel is American. Have to inform GAN, he will love it |
| 18:52.58 | javispedro | Fremantel. |
| 18:53.11 | fiferboy | You guys talking aboot Freemantle? |
| 18:53.11 | qwerty12_N810 | Freemantel |
| 18:53.21 | fiferboy | Oops, Canadian accent... |
| 18:53.24 | Khertan | we say 'sabre' in french |
| 18:53.25 | lardman | fiferboy: is that the Canadian spelling? ;) |
| 18:53.28 | RST38h | Fermantle really, but it is a secret |
| 18:53.31 | Anwarboy11 | watch my vid ?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B5ZrC0iGxc&feature=player_profilepage |
| 18:53.31 | Khertan | free mental ? |
| 18:53.35 | Anwarboy11 | mentle |
| 18:53.44 | Anwarboy11 | no its mental actually |
| 18:53.57 | lcuk | Khertan, ? |
| 18:54.03 | fiferboy | Qole said I have a Canadian accent. And he grew up an hour from where I live! |
| 18:54.06 | Khertan | yep lcuk, |
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| 18:54.16 | fiferboy | It's insulting, is what it is |
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| 18:54.28 | Khertan | i read that u use git on your n900 on the mailing list |
| 18:54.28 | fiferboy | Hey gnuton! |
| 18:54.40 | lcuk | yes Khertan |
| 18:54.41 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Ignore him, he's a traitor to the West Coast |
| 18:54.48 | lcuk | i missed the question i saw the ? tho |
| 18:54.54 | Khertan | did you are able to push to git.maemo.org ? |
| 18:55.08 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Are you trying to divide Canadians like your North/South UK split? |
| 18:55.08 | lcuk | just ate lovely bacon coated chicken |
| 18:55.09 | javispedro | Khertan: not being able to use git ssh is known since n8x0 times. |
| 18:55.13 | lcuk | Khertan, no |
| 18:55.16 | javispedro | hey, we're in n8x0 times still. |
| 18:55.21 | Khertan | :( |
| 18:55.24 | timeless_mbp | gnuton: you've been sorely missed |
| 18:55.26 | lcuk | maemo.org git services need HTTPS protocol |
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| 18:55.31 | lcuk | which is not compiled in |
| 18:55.37 | RST38h | wonders if Extras-Devel will be merciful today and he can dput |
| 18:55.37 | lcuk | and would apparantly be a pita |
| 18:55.38 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: Of course not! You have Quebec to do that for you... |
| 18:55.54 | lcuk | and the normal GIT: protocol is not configured on maemo.org either |
| 18:55.55 | fiferboy | That's different. Quebes isn't part of Canada |
| 18:55.57 | lardman | rubbish, looks like AWS doens't like returning UK EAN data, so webscraping is therefore fully justified |
| 18:56.00 | Khertan | lcuk ok |
| 18:56.16 | RST38h | fiferboy: really? |
| 18:56.16 | Anwarboy11 | i remember wen i went to canada |
| 18:56.19 | fiferboy | RST38h: Well, they don't think they are... |
| 18:56.19 | lardman | s/returning UK EAN\returning results for UK EAN |
| 18:56.22 | Anwarboy11 | the money had the queen on it!! |
| 18:56.22 | Khertan | this because in your email i understood that u use it to push |
| 18:56.24 | gnuton | timeless_mbp: Hi! |
| 18:56.34 | lcuk | Khertan, both directions |
| 18:56.38 | timeless_mbp | gnuton: what have you been up to? |
| 18:56.39 | fiferboy | Anwarboy11: That's our Queen too |
| 18:56.43 | Khertan | lcuk yep |
| 18:56.45 | Anwarboy11 | 5p's here looked like the 10 cents ther |
| 18:56.47 | RST38h | fiferboy: that never prevented anyone from maintaining territorial integrity =) |
| 18:57.02 | Anwarboy11 | i actually spent that canadaian change here |
| 18:57.07 | Anwarboy11 | 1 cent as a penny |
| 18:57.16 | Anwarboy11 | some people dont even check |
| 18:57.18 | Khertan | lcuk so if i understand it s require to be recompied |
| 18:57.37 | Khertan | maybe i should take a look at it |
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| 18:57.39 | lcuk | good luck |
| 18:57.44 | RST38h | well, in upstate NY it is common to get .CA coins as change |
| 18:57.47 | Khertan | really ? |
| 18:57.53 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:57.53 | RST38h | by mistake of course, they are similar |
| 18:57.57 | Khertan | did you have try ? |
| 18:58.03 | Anwarboy11 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-xlq-KZDI&feature=sub |
| 18:58.04 | lcuk | requires CURL to be built with the https support |
| 18:58.08 | lcuk | and afaik it doesnt build |
| 18:58.11 | lcuk | or something like that |
| 18:58.37 | javispedro | I just remember that I tried and stoped. |
| 18:58.37 | lardman | they have different money in California? |
| 18:58.37 | lcuk | i encountered same problem when i tried to build git direct from main central git thingy |
| 18:58.37 | javispedro | so maybe there was a nontrivial build problem or maybe I just got bored :P |
| 18:58.37 | gnuton | timeless_mbp: I've been sleeping...:P |
| 18:58.37 | lardman | ;) |
| 18:58.49 | timeless_mbp | rip van winkle eh? |
| 18:58.51 | fiferboy | lardman: Yes, they have IOUs from the government... |
| 18:58.57 | lardman | lolk |
| 18:59.12 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: haha |
| 18:59.20 | RST38h | lardman: Yea, their quaters have Schwarzenegger face on them |
| 18:59.38 | RST38h | ducks |
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| 19:00.15 | javispedro | duck and cover! |
| 19:00.26 | RST38h | [and the edge of each coin is shaper as a beer bottle opener] |
| 19:00.31 | RST38h | s/shaper/shaped |
| 19:00.32 | Anwarboy11 | ??????????????? |
| 19:00.35 | Anwarboy11 | ??????????????? |
| 19:00.37 | Anwarboy11 | omfg |
| 19:00.46 | lardman | I like the sound of california more and more |
| 19:00.48 | Anwarboy11 | the irc client dont support jap charecter |
| 19:00.58 | Anwarboy11 | character* |
| 19:01.06 | lcuk | lardman, you gotta have boob implants done before moving there |
| 19:01.09 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: He said beer, not wine |
| 19:01.11 | ShadowJK | what are you using? |
| 19:01.14 | fiferboy | gnuton: From gitorious, it looks like you have been busy with the sprint!! |
| 19:01.19 | Anwarboy11 | mIRC |
| 19:01.28 | ShadowJK | there's a setting for it |
| 19:01.35 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: I drink all sorts; legally |
| 19:01.35 | gnuton | fiferboy: hi! :D |
| 19:01.35 | Anwarboy11 | wherbouts |
| 19:01.41 | fiferboy | gnuton: Hey. |
| 19:01.53 | lcuk | lardman, did you ever put any mic initialization code up? |
| 19:01.53 | gnuton | fiferboy: Yes.. I'm still busy... We have still things to fix... :/ |
| 19:01.57 | ShadowJK | not sure, I haven't used mirc since 1997 |
| 19:01.59 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: it shows! |
| 19:02.02 | qwerty12_N810 | hides |
| 19:02.06 | lardman | oi! :p |
| 19:02.09 | lcuk | gnuton, its lookin good tho |
| 19:02.09 | fiferboy | gnuton: I've been looking at finger scrolling some. I can't figure out what the problem with performance is when running in scratchbox |
| 19:02.26 | fiferboy | gnuton: And I can't compile for ARMEL to test on the device... |
| 19:02.46 | gnuton | fiferboy: why can't you? |
| 19:02.47 | Anwarboy11 | kan niemand my verstaan |
| 19:03.21 | fiferboy | gnuton: Well, I can grab the *gui*.so from the armel compile (I forgot about that), but webkit never links for me in scratchbox armel |
| 19:03.36 | javispedro | fiferboy: dunno if this is related, but if you don't have GL accelerated Xephyr the compositor will greatly slowdown any drawing. |
| 19:03.38 | Anwarboy11 | no new manga out today =[ |
| 19:04.26 | gnuton | fiferboy: gui is the module you have to test.. :P |
| 19:04.34 | Anwarboy11 | did the n810 support bbc iplayer? |
| 19:04.37 | lcuk | has finally brought his n900 to its knees! |
| 19:04.53 | lcuk | 0.75s per frame! |
| 19:04.53 | fiferboy | gnuton: Yeah, I forgot I could just stop the compile and use the so. I wanted debs! |
| 19:05.15 | Mousey | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 19:05.21 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: The N900 doesn't give BJs... |
| 19:05.31 | Mousey | takes it off christmas list |
| 19:05.43 | lcuk | oh errr right, yeah, i knew that |
| 19:05.44 | Anwarboy11 | does n900 support mms yet |
| 19:05.52 | lcuk | gets a tissue |
| 19:05.53 | gnuton | fiferboy: you can install the deb from qt4.garage.maemo.org then uploading the new libQtGUI |
| 19:06.04 | fiferboy | gnuton: That is what I will do |
| 19:06.10 | gnuton | fiferboy: it works if there are no changes in core.. |
| 19:06.33 | ShadowJK | no mms |
| 19:06.39 | gnuton | fiferboy: at moment all changes of this sprint are still in qt-n900+w34 |
| 19:07.01 | fiferboy | gnuton: Ok. |
| 19:07.06 | RST38h | lcuk: 0.75s is kinda low, what are you rendering? =) |
| 19:07.09 | fiferboy | gnuton: When are you targeting for the next release? |
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| 19:07.28 | gnuton | fiferboy: good question.. |
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| 19:07.59 | gnuton | it was supposed to be already in testing |
| 19:08.03 | lardman | gives up on AWS |
| 19:08.06 | lcuk | RST38h, taking my normal YUV layer, converting to RGB, making that into an XImage, XPutImage and XFlush onto actual window, wait for compositor to nick it as a texture, render it into normal place, rinse repeat |
| 19:08.22 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: GET SOME NUTS |
| 19:08.39 | lardman | BA would side with me on this one |
| 19:08.40 | lcuk | lardman, you will find its better to use the offical web api from companies |
| 19:08.44 | lcuk | i know its harder :S |
| 19:08.52 | lardman | lcuk: the docs are crap |
| 19:08.54 | gnuton | fiferboy: but there are still issue to fix.. I'm working night and day.... I can't go more fast... |
| 19:08.59 | lardman | can't be arsed comes to mind |
| 19:09.08 | lcuk | yeah but better than having it die cos they alter weblayout a tinybit |
| 19:09.21 | fiferboy | gnuton: Yeah, it sounds like a big task! |
| 19:09.24 | lardman | as long as it works for me... ;) |
| 19:09.31 | lcuk | haha |
| 19:09.33 | lcuk | customer #1 |
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| 19:09.41 | lardman | but yeah, patches welcome etc |
| 19:09.47 | javispedro | lcuk: you could use a gl es shader for rgb->yuv |
| 19:09.57 | lcuk | javispedro, patches welcome |
| 19:10.14 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/e4a4dc5994697d55f5e5be767f8d3da95597f934/src/liqx11_cover.c |
| 19:10.16 | lcuk | theres the code |
| 19:10.24 | javispedro | getting hardware myself and testing diferent drnoksnes output methods comes first :) |
| 19:10.29 | lcuk | replace that with a shader version and ill love you long time! |
| 19:10.39 | gnuton | fiferboy: but anyway I come back to code... se u later.. |
| 19:10.55 | fiferboy | gnuton: I will let you know if I make any progress on fingerscrolling |
| 19:10.57 | javispedro | s/rgb->yuv/yuv->rgb |
| 19:11.04 | lcuk | yeah lol |
| 19:11.17 | gnuton | fiferboy: There is just one big thing to fix in the fingerscroll |
| 19:11.27 | fiferboy | gnuton: Which is? |
| 19:11.40 | RST38h | lcuk: why on earth would you do that? =) |
| 19:11.42 | lcuk | i wonder if PowerVR_3d_RGB->YUV->XV would be faster than |
| 19:11.49 | lcuk | powervr_RGB_3d->Compositor |
| 19:11.54 | RST38h | lcuk: they say shader-based rendering is overrated |
| 19:11.55 | lcuk | RST38h, one time only |
| 19:11.55 | javispedro | I don't know if rgb->yub is doable. |
| 19:12.03 | lcuk | when the app is minimized |
| 19:12.03 | javispedro | er.. |
| 19:12.05 | javispedro | yuv. |
| 19:12.15 | RST38h | by hand? doable |
| 19:12.17 | lcuk | and it zooms back to the app list thingy |
| 19:12.22 | gnuton | fiferboy: basically QComboBoxes now shows a dialog with a QListView (it looks like HildonTouchSelector) |
| 19:12.28 | javispedro | I mean by a shader. I'm still reading :) |
| 19:12.30 | lcuk | rgb->yuv is entirely doable |
| 19:12.53 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, my screen problem is the wire if it goes out of cal and I slap it it comes back in cal |
| 19:12.54 | lcuk | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms893078.aspx |
| 19:13.00 | lcuk | yuv->rgb and rgb->yuv |
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| 19:13.08 | lardman | is it a known bug that if you tap too quickly in a newly opened app, you actually tap the desktop? |
| 19:13.11 | solarion | I don't think the gamuts completely overlap, though |
| 19:13.13 | solarion | iirc |
| 19:13.19 | gnuton | fiferboy: well, if I add a item it doesn't scroll anymore.. I think this is a new bug.. |
| 19:13.22 | lcuk | no, but its practical |
| 19:13.24 | javispedro | lardman: yep, but don't remember the bug # |
| 19:13.36 | lardman | solarion: they can be converted assuming you choose one iitc |
| 19:13.37 | gnuton | fiferboy: added yesterday by Eetu. |
| 19:13.41 | lcuk | RST38h, anyway, if i convert my YUV overlay to a pixmap and draw that on the normal x11 window |
| 19:13.41 | fiferboy | gnuton: I will look at it |
| 19:13.45 | lcuk | i can then turn off the overlay |
| 19:13.47 | gnuton | fiferboy: it worked nicely in scratchbox |
| 19:13.48 | lcuk | and it zooms back properly |
| 19:13.59 | lcuk | same principle will work for desktop widgets |
| 19:14.03 | Myrtti | I want a BBC Micro |
| 19:14.07 | lardman | javispedro: cool, as long as it will get sorted |
| 19:14.10 | fiferboy | gnuton: If you add an item while the dialog is open? Or after you close it? |
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| 19:14.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, something like this: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5694 |
| 19:14.47 | lcuk | Myrtti, at weekend at barcamp |
| 19:14.51 | solarion | lcuk: sure, but my point is taht some pedant is always gonna come in and say it's not the same |
| 19:14.54 | solarion | like me. :) |
| 19:14.57 | lcuk | there was a presentation from someone who used a bbcmicro |
| 19:15.02 | javispedro | lcuk: a nice thing to try. "PowerVR_3d_RGB->YUV->XV vs powervr_RGB_3d->Compositor" |
| 19:15.03 | lcuk | to control church organ |
| 19:15.03 | solarion | was built with -pedantic |
| 19:15.07 | gnuton | I don't know yet... QComboBoxes if editable are able to add item in the QListiView that after shows into the popup. |
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| 19:15.19 | javispedro | but I think powervr->lcd is faster than xv->lcd without compositor. |
| 19:15.21 | fiferboy | gnuton: Okay, I will look |
| 19:15.22 | lcuk | solarion, its a scaled preview |
| 19:15.26 | lcuk | i dont give a damn ;) |
| 19:15.30 | fiferboy | gnuton: Maybe I will drag lbt into the fray |
| 19:15.32 | lcuk | patches welcome |
| 19:15.38 | lcuk | as lardman says :D |
| 19:15.48 | gnuton | fiferboy: how much time do you need for it.. |
| 19:15.52 | solarion | heh |
| 19:15.55 | lcuk | javispedro, rly? |
| 19:16.01 | lcuk | less bandwidth still from yuv |
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| 19:16.11 | lcuk | comes down to fill rates |
| 19:16.16 | fiferboy | I am compiling the latest git right now, and I will check it out hopefully in a couple hours |
| 19:16.16 | gnuton | fiferboy: sorry for this question.. but I'm running out of the time.. and I was going to have it ready in 1 or 2 days |
| 19:16.26 | lcuk | and where the framebuffer actually is |
| 19:16.27 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: yes indeed, the screenshot cheat stuff not working properly |
| 19:16.30 | lcuk | and intermediate moves |
| 19:16.38 | fiferboy | gnuton: I will try to do everything I can tonight, I will let you know where I am with it tomorrow |
| 19:16.39 | gnuton | fiferboy: ok. then checkout qt-n900+w34 |
| 19:16.52 | lcuk | solarion, infact... the color thing |
| 19:16.54 | fiferboy | gnuton: I have done that, compiling in ARMEL to run on the device |
| 19:16.59 | lcuk | i had the order wrong last night for early tests |
| 19:17.07 | lcuk | BGR was as RGB |
| 19:17.09 | solarion | colors suck |
| 19:17.13 | lcuk | and it looked really funky |
| 19:17.27 | gnuton | fiferboy: ok.. great |
| 19:17.27 | solarion | we should just plug directly into the optical nerve |
| 19:17.28 | javispedro | lcuk: really dunno. probably for video xv is still faster (since "powervr is not the best way to just put pixels on screen") |
| 19:17.29 | solarion | anything before that is stupid |
| 19:17.35 | lcuk | your optic nerve is different to mine |
| 19:17.38 | solarion | Ideally, we just plug right into the brain |
| 19:17.44 | solarion | waves his hand dismissively |
| 19:17.50 | lcuk | javispedro, yeah theres tricks each has |
| 19:17.57 | gnuton | fiferboy: btw joing #qt-maemo.. that's the official Channel of Maemo Qt (It has been done by Trolltech people) |
| 19:17.58 | solarion | your cones are different from mine too |
| 19:18.23 | solarion | lcuk: you have some nerve! |
| 19:18.26 | gnuton | fiferboy: s/joing/join |
| 19:18.27 | javispedro | and doing rgb->texture->powervr shader->yuv->read from powervr->screen might be slowest. |
| 19:18.29 | lcuk | how many channels does qt have! |
| 19:18.46 | fiferboy | gnuton: I'm in |
| 19:19.18 | fiferboy | lcuk: Just enough |
| 19:19.25 | gnuton | anyone interested in Fremantle Qt (Official & Community) can join that channel |
| 19:19.57 | fiferboy | pokes lbt |
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| 19:27.05 | hrw | re |
| 19:27.24 | lardman | hi hrw |
| 19:28.24 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/test_abook.c is producing an error, and thoughts? http://maemo.pastebin.com/m6d569513 |
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| 19:28.30 | lardman | s/and/any |
| 19:28.40 | lardman | food time, bbiab |
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| 19:30.50 | fiferboy | lardman: (for when you get back) |
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| 19:31.02 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:31.04 | fiferboy | lardman: line 117 s/OssoABookModel/OssoABookContactModel/ |
| 19:32.05 | fiferboy | lardman: I think that should fix both errors |
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| 19:36.46 | fiferboy | wonders if the imported for extras-devel has stopped |
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| 19:39.38 | Flandry_ | froze for me too |
| 19:39.45 | Flandry_ | back now though |
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| 19:41.11 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Why did you only give my app one thumb up :P |
| 19:41.58 | timeless_mbp | looks around |
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| 19:46.44 | timeless_mbp | fishes around for people w/ n900's and a willingness to use unofficial content |
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| 19:47.03 | elven | fishes around for a n900 |
| 19:47.13 | timeless_mbp | mine already swam away |
| 19:47.17 | Stskeeps | without flashable image or even flasher nearby sorry :P |
| 19:47.23 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: ship me one ;p |
| 19:47.29 | lcuk | timeless, ill swap im trying to get rgb conversion working |
| 19:47.33 | lcuk | and everything is rosetinted |
| 19:47.39 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: oh, i got 41-10 ! |
| 19:47.42 | RST38h | Poor converter trying to squeeze a bitmap into 14 colors... |
| 19:47.43 | RST38h | Mhm |
| 19:47.48 | timeless_mbp | a little elf dropped it on one of my devices :) |
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| 19:52.37 | javispedro | heh. ARM GPU chip (Mali) has an OGLES extension to read yuv textures "as is". |
| 19:52.57 | javispedro | fastly, according to their propaganda. |
| 19:53.23 | javispedro | "Can read both packed and planar (2 and 3 planes) YUV formats" |
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| 19:55.19 | lcuk | javispedro, which would match with... |
| 19:55.41 | lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg18548.html |
| 19:55.45 | lcuk | http://www.mdk.org.pl/2007/11/17/gl-colorspace-conversions |
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| 19:56.09 | lcuk | well, not quite |
| 19:56.17 | lcuk | but that was the first time i thought it was possible |
| 19:58.14 | javispedro | and I still think it's possible, at least for 1:1:1 formats |
| 19:59.04 | javispedro | I mean, I can already think of a way to do it for 1:1:1 . But not yet for 4:2:2. |
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| 20:02.02 | dark | hi i have a problem with my media player |
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| 20:02.15 | dark | my library doesnt update |
| 20:02.19 | dark | what can i do |
| 20:03.36 | dark | i need help |
| 20:03.38 | andre__ | dark, how long did you wait? |
| 20:03.43 | andre__ | did you reboot? |
| 20:04.08 | andre__ | and which hardware? |
| 20:04.25 | dark | n810 |
| 20:04.51 | dark | i reboot it and nothing |
| 20:04.56 | Stskeeps | evening andre__ |
| 20:05.10 | andre__ | heya |
| 20:05.57 | andre__ | so i'd guess for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3970 |
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| 20:08.27 | dark | i read it all and nothing |
| 20:09.21 | andre__ | dark, reading all is better than reading nothing |
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| 20:10.17 | dark | i perform all the steps in the page and nothing |
| 20:10.43 | andre__ | which ones? |
| 20:11.11 | dark | format both micro sd and internal |
| 20:11.54 | dark | delete the .meta_data |
| 20:12.13 | dark | sorry .meta_storage |
| 20:12.44 | andre__ | dark, you formatted? in 3 minutes? that was quick and i have my doubts. |
| 20:13.03 | andre__ | what about https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3970#c14 ? |
| 20:13.09 | dark | y did it yesterday |
| 20:13.30 | dark | and i played with the backups |
| 20:13.31 | andre__ | ah |
| 20:13.41 | andre__ | so, tried that package mentioned in comment 14? |
| 20:15.11 | dark | apt-get install osso...-version-rx44 |
| 20:15.16 | dark | and nothing |
| 20:15.25 | andre__ | what is "and nothing"? |
| 20:15.28 | andre__ | please be exact |
| 20:15.36 | andre__ | otherwise i guess, and waste time... |
| 20:16.04 | dark | i installed the osso soft and update my list of app manager |
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| 20:16.46 | andre__ | how exactly did you install the "osso soft"? |
| 20:16.57 | andre__ | can you please explain, step by step? |
| 20:17.13 | dark | on my terminal |
| 20:17.15 | dark | root |
| 20:17.17 | dark | then |
| 20:17.18 | andre__ | how? |
| 20:17.26 | dark | apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 20:17.26 | andre__ | sudo gainroot ? |
| 20:17.31 | dark | yes |
| 20:17.42 | andre__ | why that? |
| 20:17.53 | andre__ | why ""apt-get install osso-software-version-rx44""? |
| 20:17.56 | dark | uhmm |
| 20:18.55 | dark | to update and try to reintall the metalayer-crawler |
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| 20:21.35 | dark | the problem here is the metalayer-crawler |
| 20:21.53 | dark | thats it linked with media player |
| 20:21.57 | dark | if im correct |
| 20:26.02 | andre__ | dark, please read comment 14 again in that bug report |
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| 20:34.23 | dark | and now appear no clips |
| 20:35.03 | dark | y reboot it |
| 20:35.51 | andre__ | dark, being verbose by exactly explaining your steps helps. |
| 20:36.22 | andre__ | i recommend trying what is described in comment 14 in that bug report. if you don't want to try, okay. no other ideas here. |
| 20:36.49 | dark | i just finished to try the comment 14 |
| 20:37.39 | dark | i think its works let me check and confirm |
| 20:38.53 | GeneralAntilles | Where's fiferboy when you need him? |
| 20:39.26 | dark | perfect |
| 20:39.29 | dark | its works |
| 20:39.31 | andre__ | cool |
| 20:39.46 | dark | let me tell you how i need to perform |
| 20:39.54 | dark | for everybody |
| 20:40.04 | dark | first need to be root |
| 20:40.08 | lcuk | put it in the bug report? |
| 20:40.11 | lcuk | so its together? |
| 20:40.25 | lcuk | not here |
| 20:40.25 | lcuk | where ppl wont find it |
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| 20:43.13 | lbt | VDVsx: ping... Re spam? |
| 20:43.20 | Jaffa | uncurries |
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| 20:46.36 | Ceron^ | "Olemme saaneet Nokialta arvion jotta Suomen toimitukset alkavat joulukuun alkupuolella. |
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| 20:46.49 | Ceron^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.11 | Ceron^ | i said it would be 2010 |
| 20:47.13 | Ceron^ | at so it will be :D |
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| 20:48.50 | rm_you | anyone have a sec to answer a german language question so I can move on to actually coding? :P |
| 20:49.29 | GeneralAntilles | Mr. Unproductive |
| 20:49.31 | lcuk | gfi rm_you |
| 20:49.50 | rm_you | bah |
| 20:50.18 | rm_you | my ex was in town last week |
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| 20:50.28 | rm_you | and yesterday my house was burglarized |
| 20:50.29 | lcuk | you saw jott again :D |
| 20:50.30 | rm_you | so shhh |
| 20:50.32 | lcuk | :O |
| 20:50.40 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:50.57 | rm_you | also it turns out I'm failing the one class i have left before graduation (german) |
| 20:51.09 | rm_you | but if i finish this essay I can start coding :) |
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| 21:01.39 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:01.53 | GeneralAntilles | What's with people who think modularity is cheaper in mobile devices? |
| 21:02.19 | Stskeeps | people who never saw pci slots |
| 21:02.43 | GeneralAntilles | Silly, silly, silly. |
| 21:02.51 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 21:03.00 | SpeedEvil | modularity has _so_ many costs |
| 21:04.05 | SpeedEvil | You've got the reliability and cost and size penalty of connectors, the difficulty of picking the right size of modules which will of course always be a compromise and involve wasted space, the added weight/volume/... of seperately packaged modules, |
| 21:04.16 | SpeedEvil | cases to guide and secure them and... |
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| 21:04.42 | lcuk | yeah, damn them for modularizing thse pesky chips and things |
| 21:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | FCC costs will be fun, too. |
| 21:04.57 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: yeah |
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| 21:05.07 | lcuk | shouldnt that be much simpler |
| 21:05.11 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: chips aren't the same thing. You assemble all the chips onto one PCB |
| 21:05.17 | lcuk | group of black boxes fcc approved on their own |
| 21:05.38 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: this has all the wiring integrated into one unit, and does not change, is compact, reliable, fairly light and cheap. |
| 21:05.55 | SpeedEvil | And can be FCC'd in one unit |
| 21:06.04 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:06.13 | lcuk | even tho individually the gps is used in 200 devices |
| 21:06.14 | GeneralAntilles | sighs at lcuk. |
| 21:06.18 | lcuk | so gets fcced 200 times |
| 21:06.31 | SpeedEvil | Yes - however. |
| 21:06.52 | lcuk | i just like lego blocks GeneralAntilles :P |
| 21:07.04 | SpeedEvil | you have 3 module slots, and 40 seperate devices. How many combinations is this? |
| 21:07.53 | GeneralAntilles | Modularity is fragile, bulky and expensive. |
| 21:07.55 | Stskeeps | we have maemo5 on beagle \o/ |
| 21:07.56 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Unfortunately, when you add stuff together, the sum of the emissions is not the sum of all the emissions measured independantly. |
| 21:08.05 | GeneralAntilles | Mobile devices don't have a long lifespan |
| 21:08.23 | lcuk | w00t Stskeeps |
| 21:08.29 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: So you can't simply say phone + gps EMI = phone EMI + GPS EMI |
| 21:08.33 | SpeedEvil | because it doesn't work like that. |
| 21:08.34 | RST38h | Depends on how you carry yours |
| 21:08.37 | lcuk | isnt that where it started? :D |
| 21:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, wish I could find a cheap touchscreen. |
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| 21:09.02 | harnir | hello |
| 21:09.04 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, good point |
| 21:13.03 | RST38h | Speed: In practice it is cheaper and more compact to just throw in everything |
| 21:13.14 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Almost without exception, yes. |
| 21:13.22 | RST38h | Modules = mechanics = expensive+unreliable |
| 21:13.40 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: though not populating boards can be cheap. yes - that was what I was arguing - when I said that modularity has many costs |
| 21:13.55 | RST38h | yes but you can't populate that board later =) |
| 21:14.13 | SpeedEvil | Sure you can. |
| 21:14.28 | SpeedEvil | (though others may have less option) |
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| 21:17.35 | lcuk | any idea which gstreamer source doe sthe mic |
| 21:17.39 | lcuk | does the mic |
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| 21:25.53 | lardman | lcuk: might be a v4l2 src |
| 21:26.14 | lcuk | what did you use? |
| 21:26.28 | lcuk | i have the test audio and outputs side running |
| 21:26.29 | lardman | on the n8x0 was a dsppcmsrc iirc |
| 21:26.45 | lardman | but will be different on the N900 |
| 21:26.46 | lcuk | ahh yeah |
| 21:27.20 | lcuk | i have had head in yuv rgb stuff quite a bit |
| 21:27.29 | lcuk | thought i needed to hear something else for a little while |
| 21:28.49 | lardman | try /dev/dsp* |
| 21:28.50 | lardman | as the mic |
| 21:29.06 | lardman | anyway, bedtime, feeling pretty shattered |
| 21:29.09 | lardman | night all |
| 21:29.15 | lcuk | gnite simon |
| 21:29.19 | lcuk | thx |
| 21:36.56 | RST38h | wholesalers in china are sorry to disturb my precious time |
| 21:37.02 | RST38h | <DELETE> |
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| 21:46.03 | rm_you | srsly, any native german speakers online currently? :P |
| 21:47.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Does knowing German swear words qualify one as a native speaker? |
| 21:47.30 | rm_you | also, I've been thinking of continuing to handle backlight AND volume in ABL in fremantle and manually remove the builtin volume statusbar bit, because I'm discovering that space is still seriously limited in the statusbar |
| 21:47.34 | rm_you | oppinions? |
| 21:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | Do it. |
| 21:48.41 | Xisdibik | rm_you: im not a native german speaker but i talk to 2 of them, whats up? |
| 21:48.44 | rm_you | qwerty12_N810: if you know the best way to say "You are wrong" in german ("du bist falsch" is the best i can come up with and is apparently wrong >_<) |
| 21:48.46 | GeneralAntilles | Open source > Nokia shit. |
| 21:48.51 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik! |
| 21:49.05 | rm_you | ^^ Xisdibik |
| 21:49.09 | Xisdibik | read it, asking |
| 21:49.17 | qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: I'm not a native speaker in that case... |
| 21:49.20 | rm_you | heh |
| 21:49.26 | rm_you | it seems like a stupid simple phrase |
| 21:49.36 | rm_you | but apparently is not immediately obvious to a native english speaker >_> |
| 21:50.02 | pupnik | hi |
| 21:50.09 | Xisdibik | rm_you: he asked : well there is an elegant way, a rude way... |
| 21:50.19 | qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: Although, if you have to do essays, anyway, why not go for a subject where you can do them in a language you speak: English :p |
| 21:50.21 | Xisdibik | rm_you: which would you like |
| 21:50.22 | Flyser | Du hast unrecht would be a possible translation |
| 21:50.23 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, help rm_you with his German homework so he can actually be productive. :P |
| 21:50.50 | Xisdibik | rm_you: most of the time i would say "das stimmt nicht" which means "that's not true" |
| 21:51.08 | pupnik | germans do not say "you are wrong~ |
| 21:51.17 | pupnik | it is a silly statement |
| 21:51.33 | pupnik | people arent wrong |
| 21:51.33 | pupnik | their statements can be |
| 21:51.41 | Xisdibik | rm_you: very gentleman-like would be "Da liegen Sie falsch." |
| 21:51.49 | pupnik | so germans say "that is wrong" |
| 21:52.06 | rm_you | ah |
| 21:52.08 | rm_you | ok |
| 21:52.16 | RST38h | hmm |
| 21:52.22 | rm_you | so like |
| 21:52.27 | Xisdibik | pupnik: i disagree, alot of americans are wrong ;) |
| 21:52.34 | rm_you | instead of saying "he was wrong" you could say "he thought wrong"? |
| 21:52.35 | Xisdibik | is american |
| 21:53.05 | rm_you | Flyser: i thought Unrecht was like... injustice :P like... that's wrong in a moral sense |
| 21:53.09 | RST38h | But not Germans! |
| 21:53.19 | RST38h | found it the hard way in the Frankfurt airport once |
| 21:53.27 | timeless_mbp | pokes people |
| 21:53.34 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: did you install my package? :) |
| 21:53.35 | Xisdibik | is poked |
| 21:53.35 | pupnik | ive noticed some interesting differences to the anglophile us traditions |
| 21:53.41 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: which one |
| 21:53.43 | Flyser | rm_you: means both injustice and wrong |
| 21:53.46 | timeless_mbp | the localization |
| 21:53.52 | rm_you | ah what's it called |
| 21:53.52 | Xisdibik | timeless_mbp: give me my n900 and i will be glad to ; |
| 21:53.54 | pupnik | yes rm_you |
| 21:54.17 | pupnik | also depends on context |
| 21:54.26 | pupnik | in pub you say "du idiot!" |
| 21:54.43 | rm_you | pupnik: so... Er glaubt, dass er das Auto reparieren kann, aber er glaubt falsch. ? |
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| 21:54.52 | rm_you | for example |
| 21:54.57 | pupnik | that is right |
| 21:54.59 | Flyser | er liegt falsch would be better |
| 21:55.02 | pupnik | k |
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| 21:55.59 | Xisdibik | pupnik: how about Du bist ein Dummkopf? ;) |
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| 21:56.42 | pupnik | thcould be friendly or cause for a vicil suit |
| 21:56.47 | pupnik | civil |
| 21:56.48 | Flyser | Xisdibik: lol. Noone uses the word "Dummkopf" |
| 21:56.53 | Flyser | at least not where I live |
| 21:56.56 | rm_you | heh |
| 21:57.07 | GeneralAntilles | Talk is like a room full of idiots and trolls. |
| 21:57.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's one vicious cycle. |
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| 21:57.54 | timeless_mbp | could someone please tell me what "enterotabletit" is |
| 21:58.04 | fiferboy_n900 | lardman - ping |
| 21:58.08 | pupnik | "software is cake you can have and eat too" -arnim |
| 21:58.26 | RST38h | does it cause diabetes? |
| 21:58.26 | pupnik | why GeneralAntilles |
| 21:58.33 | pupnik | :) |
| 21:58.50 | fiferboy_n900 | lardman|gone - here? |
| 21:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, the trolls troll, the idiots eat it up, the trolls troll some more. |
| 21:59.06 | GeneralAntilles | End result is massive IQ drops. |
| 21:59.14 | rm_you | alright, finishing up this paragraph and maybe can actually get something done |
| 21:59.19 | rm_you | for once |
| 21:59.22 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy_n900: He went to sleep |
| 21:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy_n900, how about some applets relating to SMS/mail/calls, etc? |
| 21:59.45 | rm_you | i'm just glad the burglers decided my server and networking wasn't worth taking when they could just grab a PS3 and a wii |
| 21:59.49 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Seen conversations-home-widget? That one does SMS |
| 21:59.54 | pupnik | GeneralAntilles: happens in various forums - sad |
| 21:59.55 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, that cycle drives out the reasonable people and things just start over again at a new, lower level. |
| 22:00.00 | pupnik | yes |
| 22:00.00 | fiferboy_n900 | qwerty, figures |
| 22:00.03 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, yes, it's useless. |
| 22:00.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Meh, not to me. |
| 22:00.23 | fiferboy_n900 | GeneralAntilles - you got some ideas? |
| 22:00.26 | pupnik | better to flee to the list than quit talking |
| 22:00.31 | rm_you | qwerty12_N810: i use it to clear the conversation unread bug |
| 22:00.44 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 22:00.53 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy_n900, a simple one that shows you total missed calls and maybe the last 1-4 in history. |
| 22:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | With contact avatars, etc. |
| 22:01.06 | rm_you | periodically add the widget, click thru everything i've already read but it for some reason says i haven't, and remove it again |
| 22:01.40 | rm_you | i really miss a button for "call this contact" when viewing an SMS conversation |
| 22:01.49 | rm_you | every other phone i had did that |
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| 22:01.54 | pupnik | wish i could just flip a switch and mount n900 storage as a usb drive |
| 22:02.03 | pupnik | with device off |
| 22:02.49 | rm_you | actually what i miss most is a big green "phone" hardware button that performs the "call" action, and a big red "end" button that hangs up or cancels things. |
| 22:02.50 | pupnik | flashing would be dd if=image of=/dev/sdb |
| 22:03.08 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: device off use would basicaly mean you'd need a whole nother processor in there |
| 22:03.17 | rm_you | i still always try to find it and push it and then sadly remember that it doesn't have one |
| 22:03.35 | pupnik | like the processor in a usb pen drive, SpeedEvil ? |
| 22:03.43 | qwerty12_N810 | rm_you: I sense a gap in the market for Advanced Call Button! |
| 22:03.56 | rm_you | qwerty12_N810: rofl... i can't make a new button tho T_T |
| 22:03.57 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: the openmoko Freerunner nearly had that - emergency boot ROM with a bootloader accessed when you pressed a hardware button on boot |
| 22:04.05 | rm_you | s/button/hardware button/ |
| 22:04.08 | pupnik | mmm |
| 22:04.11 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
| 22:04.22 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: much like that, though it's complicated lots by the fact that it would need parallel connected to the flash. |
| 22:04.31 | rm_you | maybe repurpose the camera button... |
| 22:04.32 | RST38h | General <-- hates tmo now but is not ready to make the next step |
| 22:04.35 | pupnik | the politics of cellphones is such a jungle for devices |
| 22:05.06 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: OM emergency ROM couldn't be flashed without the debug board, in which case you can fix it anyway |
| 22:05.12 | pupnik | pandora says "boot from sd". and it is good. |
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| 22:07.31 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359342#post359342 |
| 22:07.32 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 22:08.29 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:08.43 | frals | solid post |
| 22:08.44 | Dantonic | hey guys |
| 22:08.44 | GeneralAntilles | Thankfully one or two people isn't the end of the world. ;) |
| 22:09.07 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, this is the sort of vicious cycle that's so much fun. ;) |
| 22:09.08 | rm_you | so thanks to the Mirror application I now know that the front camera on the n900 is as useless as the camera on the n8x0 was :P |
| 22:09.19 | GeneralAntilles | The ONLY place they've said anything officially about a release date is on Talk. |
| 22:09.38 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, yeah, same on my 5800. I don't know why they bother. |
| 22:09.44 | lcuk | at least now you have a sapre camera on n900 |
| 22:09.50 | frals | videocalls! |
| 22:09.51 | rm_you | well they are probably (hopefully) busy fixing all the bugs we're finding before release |
| 22:09.52 | lcuk | one that appears toa actually, you know, work! |
| 22:10.02 | frals | (:rolleyes:) |
| 22:10.05 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: tell that to some of the trolls. They start citing newspapers. |
| 22:10.09 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, lot of WONTFIX and INVALID going on. |
| 22:10.20 | Flyser | GeneralAntilles: I guess they will delay it officially on the 30th of october |
| 22:10.32 | Stskeeps | rm_you: preprod? |
| 22:10.57 | rm_you | Stskeeps: doubtful? dunno tho maybe |
| 22:11.08 | RST38h | sighs |
| 22:11.09 | Flyser | Thats the last official release date ... |
| 22:11.18 | RST38h | Folks, you are taking things way too serious |
| 22:11.33 | rm_you | I mean, i don't really *care* about the front camera |
| 22:11.45 | Stskeeps | yes, nokia surprised us all by only releasing 300 n900s, and then ditching the product line;) |
| 22:11.49 | rm_you | i just am glad I know how usefull (or not) it is now, so I won't bother trying to use it |
| 22:11.58 | RST38h | t.m.o is just an Internet forum. Have you expected it to be populated exclusively by well psychologically balanced nerdy eggheads? |
| 22:12.15 | javispedro | yes, the pandora will release first! |
| 22:12.23 | Dantonic | hey anyone here use pidgin? |
| 22:12.25 | Stskeeps | nokia has money on the pandora bet |
| 22:12.25 | RST38h | that would be funny =) |
| 22:12.28 | Dantonic | on the tablet that is |
| 22:12.44 | javispedro | well, I voted for the pandora! |
| 22:12.56 | GeneralAntilles | Flyser, Peter already officially delayed it on Talk. |
| 22:13.31 | Flyser | GeneralAntilles: Not as official as a press release ;-) |
| 22:13.33 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, I'm just depressed over the fact that the idiots are driving the useful people out. |
| 22:13.45 | GeneralAntilles | Flyser, Nokia never announced an official ship date. |
| 22:13.53 | Stskeeps | "october in select markets"? |
| 22:13.55 | RST38h | General: absolutely normal for the Internet |
| 22:14.02 | Stskeeps | which turns out, means maemo summit |
| 22:14.11 | javispedro | that's a nice way to see it. |
| 22:14.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, unfortunate since it used to be a really productive place. |
| 22:15.08 | RST38h | still is, just not in every thread |
| 22:15.35 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, the Thanks! ratio for useful posts has gotten really bad. |
| 22:16.25 | RST38h | I do not expect thanks when posting. |
| 22:16.39 | RST38h | simply not the point |
| 22:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | Not my point, so nevermind. |
| 22:19.29 | n000b | the n900 forum in t.m.o. is particularly full of imbeciles |
| 22:22.45 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: have you used the third contacts view? |
| 22:23.20 | Stskeeps | i want a "joined in october 2009" ban button |
| 22:23.23 | Stskeeps | well, ignore |
| 22:23.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: s/october// |
| 22:23.44 | n000b | hehe |
| 22:23.44 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: if you tap the avatar in a conversation you get a way to call the contact |
| 22:23.49 | RST38h | Or you can get creative and drive them out one by one |
| 22:24.02 | RST38h | Bonus for cause 'em to suicide |
| 22:24.10 | RST38h | causing |
| 22:24.15 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: the n900 does do usb storage while off under some conditions (not sure what) |
| 22:24.28 | javispedro | damn. I knew I should've registered in tmo before, instead of lurking. |
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| 22:25.29 | pupnik | :/ |
| 22:25.43 | RST38h | too late! |
| 22:26.20 | pupnik | dor sale, one t.m.o. account from 2007 |
| 22:26.21 | javispedro | well, you'll miss my random rantings and flaming posts. |
| 22:26.44 | javispedro | ok this is hilarious http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359357#post359357 |
| 22:27.29 | Flyser | javispedro: it is :D |
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| 22:28.09 | javispedro | pupnik: maybe tmo should implement a "uid digit count" system à la slashdot. |
| 22:28.26 | hardaker | resists the urge to post "r0eladn: ditto" |
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| 22:29.12 | pupnik | which is best xterm for me to work on for n810 / diablo? |
| 22:29.12 | Dantonic | rofl javispedro was wondering how soon someone would post there |
| 22:29.17 | qwerty12_N810 | hardaker: give in... |
| 22:29.23 | Dantonic | let's all post |
| 22:29.27 | rm_you | timeless_mbp: sweet, thanks. didn't realize that was clickable |
| 22:29.40 | qwerty12_N810 | could probably pass his one off as a retail one... |
| 22:29.41 | rm_you | was expecting it to be in the context menu as an option next to "clear conversation" |
| 22:29.44 | javispedro | well, I hoped the chinese spam bot that randomly spams topics with certain keywords would post first. |
| 22:30.00 | javispedro | but . well. tmo always surprises me. |
| 22:30.06 | hardaker | resists the temptation to respond with "first post!" |
| 22:30.22 | javispedro | s/chinese// (sorry) |
| 22:30.33 | wazd | Apple fails in the design sometimes too |
| 22:30.38 | wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/10/10-27-09hideout.jpg |
| 22:30.41 | timeless_mbp | rm_you: i don't consider the ui behavior sane |
| 22:30.44 | timeless_mbp | but someone else told me |
| 22:30.47 | timeless_mbp | so please pass it along |
| 22:30.54 | wazd | check out bottom-right icon |
| 22:31.23 | javispedro | I'd say that's to make a printed copy of the map on the viewport. |
| 22:31.34 | javispedro | cause the jobsoPhone has a builtin printer, does it? |
| 22:31.34 | RST38h | no, it is to switch pages |
| 22:31.58 | RST38h | yea, and it makes a tatoo when you stick it where sun does not shine |
| 22:32.32 | javispedro | ok, now it's more hilarious: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=359357#post359357 |
| 22:32.36 | lcuk | if you want to switch pages dont you just turn the iphone over |
| 22:32.39 | hardaker | resists the urge to respond with "does anyone know if it'll be possible to shop on Amazon with this phone?" |
| 22:32.40 | wazd | background square has rounded corners, and front square hasn't |
| 22:33.20 | javispedro | no, you shake the iphone like crazy then throw it to 10 friends, fill in a few forms then you can see something else than the cupertino map. |
| 22:33.22 | lcuk | wazd only you would notice that |
| 22:33.53 | lcuk | and i pull square tissues out of a rounded hole all the time |
| 22:35.16 | rm_you | bbl |
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| 22:35.45 | wazd | lcuk: yep, I'm a mad man, don't laugh at me :) |
| 22:38.35 | lcuk | wasnt laughin |
| 22:39.10 | lcuk | RST38h, does it actually switch pages? |
| 22:40.16 | lcuk | javispedro, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33582 |
| 22:41.38 | javispedro | lcuk: hhe |
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| 22:42.14 | lcuk | others: that link is thread "[you *can*] post here before you have received a retail N900 in your hands" |
| 22:42.22 | RST38h | lcuk: Yea, it goes to some other screen afaik |
| 22:42.34 | lcuk | cool |
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| 22:43.06 | javispedro | enjoys the latest tmo threads "n900 shipping in october" "no, n900 ships in november!" "you're all idiots. I have definite proof n900 ships in 2010!!" |
| 22:43.34 | kynky | so not 16th :) |
| 22:43.37 | hardaker | hates all forums and misses the age of mailing lists. |
| 22:43.46 | javispedro | "X estimates December 2009 release date" |
| 22:44.05 | RST38h | suggests falsifying a Nokia press release about dissolving Maemo Devices and merging its team with N Series |
| 22:44.28 | RST38h | I would go for something less credible, but it makes sense to start slow |
| 22:44.32 | kynky | the maemo/android article on slashdot is crazy |
| 22:45.05 | javispedro | deal. so I register a tmo account "nokiapr", post something stupid, then edit a wikipedia article , appropiately quoting the tmo post. |
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| 22:45.17 | javispedro | wait until the first newspaper publishes the "news" |
| 22:45.21 | florian | hardaker: I feel with you... |
| 22:45.42 | RST38h | Pirates May Have Captured Around-the-World Liveblogging Couple! |
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| 22:46.02 | RST38h | How do you twit about something like this? =) |
| 22:46.03 | lcuk | like you just did |
| 22:46.10 | lcuk | but put stuff like #pirates |
| 22:46.11 | javispedro | RST38h: that seems so true I am already believing it and hoping for it. |
| 22:46.13 | lcuk | and things |
| 22:46.26 | lcuk | so the other pirates will hear about it and get karma |
| 22:46.38 | RST38h | lcuk: Ahoy^H^Hoops |
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| 22:48.12 | RST38h | Oh well. Sleep. |
| 22:48.14 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:48.16 | lcuk | gnite rst |
| 22:48.17 | javispedro | "Civil aviation disaster destroys 2000 N900s due to faulty battery" |
| 22:48.18 | Dantonic | If I wanted to report a bug with pidgin having to do with the hildon interface, where would I do that? when I full qwerty type a message on my N800 the "enter" button does not enter send the message it goes down to the next line. I have to exit the full qwerty and re open the small qwerty and hit enter with my stylus :( |
| 22:48.20 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, evil |
| 22:48.23 | RST38h | good night |
| 22:48.25 | javispedro | gnite RST |
| 22:48.34 | qwerty12_N810 | night RST38h |
| 22:48.49 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: EvilQwerty, that's me |
| 22:48.55 | RST38h | javis: Actually, an "FCC report" about banning Li batteries on all US based flights will do good |
| 22:48.58 | lcuk | looks good |
| 22:49.05 | RST38h | javis: That should generate a LOT of tmo traffic |
| 22:49.10 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:49.33 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: so... |
| 22:49.37 | anidel | tmo's already slow |
| 22:49.39 | timeless_mbp | if pidgin is a standalone app |
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| 22:49.46 | timeless_mbp | then it's giving the wrong hint to the IME |
| 22:49.52 | timeless_mbp | and it's a bug in pidgin |
| 22:50.07 | timeless_mbp | and you file the bug against pidgin or _|Nix|_ |
| 22:50.25 | Dantonic | ah is that right? |
| 22:50.54 | Dantonic | but why does the enter key work under the half qwerty but not for the full qwerty... |
| 22:51.01 | Dantonic | that's why I thought it might be a hildon issue idk... |
| 22:51.03 | Dantonic | brb |
| 22:51.19 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: did you try the browser url bar? |
| 22:51.24 | timeless_mbp | does the same behavior happen there? |
| 22:51.39 | timeless_mbp | and did you try fields in the addressbook? |
| 22:52.14 | javispedro | and in xterm. |
| 22:55.18 | kirma | hmm. does nokia allow pixel defects for its devices nowadays at all? apparently not for N900 at least... |
| 22:56.36 | GeneralAntilles | Dantonic, the finger keyboard is broken. |
| 22:56.46 | GeneralAntilles | Dantonic, Nokia doesn't care about virtual input. ;) |
| 22:57.24 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: oh, they'll care when the next device ships without a keyboard. |
| 22:58.40 | Dantonic | oh yeah I guess browser doesnt work either... :( |
| 22:58.52 | Dantonic | so it's maemo? :( |
| 22:59.00 | javispedro | and xterm? intro in finger keyboard in n810's xterm does work. |
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| 22:59.55 | Dantonic | javispedro, xterm works |
| 23:00.40 | Dantonic | weak sauce! |
| 23:00.46 | javispedro | not a Maemo issue then. Grab xterm code, try to understand what black magic it applies to HildonIMContext, and try to apply the same incantations to Pidgin. |
| 23:01.29 | Dantonic | javispedro I would if I knew how... |
| 23:01.34 | Dantonic | no idea |
| 23:01.36 | GeneralAntilles | Alright, no more refreshing Talk for me tonight. |
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| 23:01.47 | javispedro | oh, i just posted one last message :) |
| 23:01.54 | GeneralAntilles | I'm at "time to call out some goddamn idiots" stage. |
| 23:01.57 | GeneralAntilles | and that never ends well. |
| 23:03.25 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you should use ispy |
| 23:03.32 | lcuk | you can get frustrated without clicks |
| 23:03.35 | GeneralAntilles | ispy sucks. |
| 23:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's ugly and irritating. |
| 23:03.44 | fiferboy_n900 | later all |
| 23:03.48 | fiferboy_n900 | out |
| 23:03.51 | lbt | fiferboy_n900: hi |
| 23:03.53 | lcuk | how do you find anything? |
| 23:03.59 | lcuk | hi fiferboy_n900 |
| 23:04.02 | lbt | fiferboy_n900: bye :) |
| 23:04.08 | fiferboy_n900 | lbt did you talk to gnuton at all |
| 23:04.10 | fiferboy_n900 | ? |
| 23:04.12 | lbt | yep... |
| 23:04.18 | fiferboy_n900 | cool |
| 23:04.23 | lbt | just failing to build qt in fremantle sbox :( |
| 23:04.28 | GeneralAntilles | The number of top-posting posts in the mailing list and Talk seems to correlate well to the increase in idiocy. |
| 23:04.28 | fiferboy_n900 | I'll be back in a bit |
| 23:04.31 | fiferboy_n900 | me too |
| 23:04.32 | lbt | usr/bin/quilt: line 143: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash: No such file or directory |
| 23:04.34 | lbt | :( |
| 23:04.56 | lbt | anyone else know about quilt/sbox issues? |
| 23:05.21 | javispedro | never seen that :P |
| 23:05.31 | javispedro | and I've been using quilt for most of my packages. |
| 23:05.36 | lbt | agrees with hardaker |
| 23:05.41 | lbt | javispedro: it's odd |
| 23:05.58 | hardaker | heh. I haven't said anything in about 10 minutes though. |
| 23:06.04 | lbt | since /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash |
| 23:06.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Sorry if I'm just stating the obvious: Have you done "apt-get install quilt"? Scratchbox comes with some incomplete shit... |
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| 23:06.50 | hardaker | qwerty12_N810: I've decided that scratchbox is designed for "roll your own" development :-) |
| 23:07.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Hehe |
| 23:07.28 | Dantonic | all right time for work take care guys |
| 23:07.31 | javispedro | scratchbox iss best. |
| 23:07.49 | Stskeeps | roll your own joint? |
| 23:08.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Only if you're using it in Amsterdam |
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| 23:08.56 | hardaker | roll your own everything. little functionality besides the bare screen to build off of and interact with. |
| 23:09.44 | lbt | qwerty12_N810: yep... tried that... |
| 23:09.46 | Stskeeps | the new sdk is hardly bare though |
| 23:09.48 | javispedro | well. it has a C ompiler at least. |
| 23:10.06 | qwerty12_N810 | :( |
| 23:10.52 | javispedro | what else could you need? A Eclipse-based 1 GiB-ish IDE? A Web 2.0 app with lots of XML input and output with dubious usefulness? :) |
| 23:11.39 | lcuk | hardaker, how far are you rolling your own tho? |
| 23:12.09 | lbt | this is screwy |
| 23:12.24 | lbt | > /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash: |
| 23:12.26 | lbt | bash: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash:: No such file or directory |
| 23:12.33 | hardaker | recompling what I need under scratchbox rather than relying on packaged stuff :-P |
| 23:12.35 | lbt | and yet.... |
| 23:12.39 | lbt | ll /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash |
| 23:12.41 | lbt | lrwxrwxrwx 1 david 500 9 Oct 27 22:16 /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash* |
| 23:12.53 | johnsq | lbt: wrong system arm/x86 or missing shared libs |
| 23:13.09 | lbt | and /bin/bash -c 'ls' works |
| 23:13.47 | javispedro | lbt: I guess you're reaching a point where scratchbox's "illusion" stops working. |
| 23:13.48 | lbt | and yet |
| 23:13.54 | lbt | -rwxr-xr-x 1 david sbox 0 Oct 27 23:12 /bin/bash* |
| 23:13.59 | lbt | it has 0 size |
| 23:14.09 | lbt | jesus h .... |
| 23:14.28 | lbt | hmmm I wonder if I need to reset binfmt |
| 23:14.30 | javispedro | lbt: because on exec sbox will redirect the call to the native one. |
| 23:14.35 | javispedro | so it's a 0 size stub. |
| 23:14.43 | javispedro | but that means you've not unpacked the rootstrap? |
| 23:14.45 | Stskeeps | lbt: under armel that will show 0 size possibly |
| 23:14.46 | lbt | oh, it goes in there |
| 23:14.49 | Stskeeps | check the real file |
| 23:15.38 | javispedro | rootstraps contain both x86 /bin/bash and armel /bin/bash |
| 23:15.48 | lbt | ah core dump, no we're talking |
| 23:17.00 | lbt | seg fault.... |
| 23:17.21 | lbt | glad it's so resilient |
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| 23:19.37 | lbt | javispedro: I've compiled Qt apps using this sdk |
| 23:19.48 | lbt | so it's all been sane |
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| 23:20.27 | jeremiah_ | yeah man, you know you're not getting any work done until you dump core |
| 23:20.36 | lbt | I've quit/restarted sbox and reset the binfmt_misc |
| 23:20.40 | lbt | heh |
| 23:20.57 | lbt | my car stereo segfaulted tonight :( |
| 23:21.03 | lbt | it's kinda cool |
| 23:21.09 | hardaker | for long term app development, I kinda wonder why there is a push to do GTK based current development when it's been announced that the future will be Qt. |
| 23:21.23 | hardaker | if Qt is mostly ready now, why not switch now? |
| 23:21.36 | lbt | hardaker: KDE is also ready |
| 23:21.43 | lbt | Gnome isn't dead |
| 23:21.48 | jeremiah_ | Qt is mostly experiemental. |
| 23:21.56 | jeremiah_ | More or less. |
| 23:22.04 | jeremiah_ | For a company like Nokia anyway. |
| 23:22.08 | lbt | <cough> less</cough> |
| 23:22.14 | jeremiah_ | heh |
| 23:22.33 | jeremiah_ | lbt: Why don't you like it? |
| 23:22.38 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qREUaelV36c |
| 23:22.43 | lbt | less experimental |
| 23:22.47 | lbt | is a Qt boy |
| 23:22.48 | jeremiah_ | I mean, I am more familiar with Gnome, but I don't mind Qt. |
| 23:23.01 | jeremiah_ | Yeah, I think I kinda agree. |
| 23:23.09 | jeremiah_ | Although Gnome is pretty well tested too |
| 23:23.26 | jeremiah_ | I don't know why it is more popular than Qt, and KDE, but it is. |
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| 23:25.43 | javispedro | is that the official ad? |
| 23:26.47 | lcuk | i like that |
| 23:27.36 | Mousey | i'd still like to hear how left handed people love that spacebar |
| 23:27.46 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to have APN settings and stuff for three.co.uk ? |
| 23:27.51 | lcuk | when you are typing it doesnt matter |
| 23:28.07 | lbt | javispedro: do you have /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash |
| 23:28.15 | lbt | is it a symlink to /bin/bash |
| 23:28.19 | Mousey | wonders |
| 23:28.23 | javispedro | lbt: /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> /bin/bash |
| 23:28.42 | javispedro | 604K /bin/bash |
| 23:28.47 | lbt | for me /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash -> Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 23:28.52 | lbt | ah |
| 23:28.56 | javispedro | /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM |
| 23:29.13 | lbt | so I lost /bin/bash somehow |
| 23:29.18 | hardaker | Sorry... kids came home. Nokia has pretty much stated that Maemo6 will be mostly Qt based, right? To me that says that they're moving to Qt for everything. |
| 23:29.22 | lbt | but it kinda doesn't matter |
| 23:29.24 | javispedro | or you never got it :P |
| 23:29.33 | lbt | 'cs sbox doesn't use it |
| 23:29.41 | javispedro | yeah. |
| 23:29.43 | hardaker | (granted, I'm about equal in experience with both of them and am not biased... it's more with "what should I use now") |
| 23:29.46 | javispedro | it intercepts exec() calls |
| 23:30.12 | lbt | hardaker: starting from zero ... Qt |
| 23:30.25 | lbt | starting from 5k lines of Gtk/C.... Gtk |
| 23:30.45 | lbt | using a shedload of gtk libs... gtk |
| 23:30.55 | javispedro | launching /usr/share/quilt/compat/bash execs the armel bash shell here. |
| 23:30.56 | lbt | not hard really :) |
| 23:31.02 | javispedro | thus I guess sbox's "hack" is failing here. |
| 23:31.04 | hardaker | lbt: that's sort of what I've been thinking. |
| 23:31.08 | lbt | looks for an armel bash |
| 23:31.10 | lcuk | i was expecting a "...priceless" line then lbt :P |
| 23:31.14 | javispedro | lbt: try reinstalling package bash. |
| 23:31.36 | hardaker | lcuk: writing in straight bash for console usage: priceless? |
| 23:31.38 | lbt | javispedro: good idea |
| 23:32.11 | javispedro | the ad is good indeed. it could've been worse. |
| 23:32.16 | lbt | hugs scratchbox |
| 23:32.23 | lbt | so hard it suffocateas |
| 23:32.38 | lcuk | give it room! |
| 23:32.58 | lbt | is keeping a chokehold .... just to be sure |
| 23:33.22 | jeremiah_ | SpeedEvil: Are you having trouble with a 3 sim card? |
| 23:33.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Focus this energy on Ovi Maps... |
| 23:33.35 | jeremiah_ | Because I had to change from 3 since it didn't work with the N900 |
| 23:33.38 | lbt | watches Ad in HD to see what he's obviously missing |
| 23:33.40 | *** join/#maemo fiferboy (n=quassel@dhcp-0-13-10-77-bf-c5.cpe.mountaincable.net) |
| 23:33.49 | jeremiah_ | Although that is not really an answer to your question. :/ |
| 23:33.56 | SpeedEvil | jeremiah: incidentally, I'm trying to get it working - as my broadband is likely to fall over |
| 23:34.03 | javispedro | lbt: expecting a worse one :) |
| 23:34.08 | SpeedEvil | jeremiah: it does more or less daily. |
| 23:34.40 | lbt | has MythTV ... I haven't really seen TV ads for about 5 years |
| 23:34.50 | lbt | we watch them sometimes for nostalgia |
| 23:35.10 | lbt | conclusion: we're not missing much |
| 23:35.15 | javispedro | yes. |
| 23:35.33 | fiferboy | lbt: back |
| 23:35.36 | lbt | phew Qt is building |
| 23:35.40 | lbt | good timing fiferboy |
| 23:35.47 | lbt | how's you ? |
| 23:36.07 | fiferboy | Good, lbt. You? |
| 23:36.08 | lcuk | lbt, you can release scratchbox now, its turning a funny shade of purple |
| 23:37.11 | lbt | nah, it's still twitching |
| 23:37.11 | lcuk | ahh you installed the qt-birdwatching app as well |
| 23:38.51 | fiferboy | lcuk: :) |
| 23:39.56 | hardaker | life without scratchbox would suck compared to life with it |
| 23:40.19 | GAN900 | fiferboy, OK, now I've got a Talk user to smack down with the missed calls applet. ;) |
| 23:40.37 | fiferboy | GAN900: ? |
| 23:41.17 | GAN900 | He says it's going to suck because there's no missed calls indicator on the desktop. |
| 23:41.46 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN900: I want to laugh... and cry, at that statement. |
| 23:41.59 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 23:43.17 | javispedro | btw, did the rss reader get an improvement in fremantle? I'm seeing screenshots of a redesigned one using stackable windows. |
| 23:43.46 | lbt | admits that scratchbox is a pretty damned good solution to a hard problem and lets it breathe again |
| 23:44.11 | hardaker | developing for a device without an emulator sucks. I did that with a palm for a while. |
| 23:44.25 | javispedro | for a while? do we have a palm emulator? |
| 23:44.37 | hardaker | yes, there is a palm emulator. |
| 23:44.49 | hardaker | even runs on linux ;-) |
| 23:44.58 | javispedro | then you don't mean janeiro, but gvm. |
| 23:45.06 | javispedro | it missed half of the arm syscalls. |
| 23:45.34 | javispedro | it has since improved (new bugs added too) and was released for the n8x0 |
| 23:45.44 | javispedro | but unfortunately NO new versions for desktop :( |
| 23:46.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Why would one want a real Palm, let alone a Palm emulator? |
| 23:46.21 | qwerty12_N810 | hides |
| 23:46.36 | javispedro | tries to stripe qwerty12_N810 of his cloak |
| 23:47.35 | javispedro | janeiro was a true palmos arm emulator. it was only released for windows and modified to run GHost/GVM instead |
| 23:48.12 | javispedro | they say it got leaked somewhere, and that's why I am curious :) |
