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| 00:12.55 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat and his damn top-posting HTML mails. . . . |
| 00:15.18 | zash | GeneralAntilles: gah |
| 00:20.11 | johnx | really needs mbx drivers so he can see how the free h-i-m fs keyboard works in mer 0.17 |
| 00:21.28 | anidel | like this article: http://devwhy.blogspot.com/2009/10/loss-of-zfs.html |
| 00:23.30 | Stskeeps | johnx, didnt you get my n8x0 image with sw render? |
| 00:23.51 | johnx | yeah |
| 00:23.57 | johnx | it's kind of too slow to work with |
| 00:24.13 | johnx | also, I thought you were asleep by now :) |
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| 00:24.50 | Stskeeps | screwed timezone |
| 00:25.06 | johnx | ah. just waiting for mine to get screwed |
| 00:25.06 | Stskeeps | pondering if we missed mbx driver release or something |
| 00:25.33 | johnx | we'd see it on the linux-omap list, right? |
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| 00:25.53 | Stskeeps | not sure |
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| 00:34.39 | GeneralAntilles | Haha, "But you have to concede Sun does have the last letter in filesystems." |
| 00:35.29 | johnx | I'm mostly excited about btrfs |
| 00:35.46 | derf | Yes, but z comes after btr. |
| 00:36.33 | johnx | depends on your sorting algorithm, doesn't it? |
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| 00:45.38 | solarion | GeneralAntilles: clearly, if Linux doesn't get ZZZFS, it'll never get any marketshare |
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| 00:49.25 | ccooke | Evening, all |
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| 00:51.03 | Flandry | hi |
| 00:52.23 | b-man17 | http://www.cracked.com/photoshop_90_the-world-tomorrow-if-internet-disappeared-today/ - absolutely hilarious xD |
| 01:02.10 | Flandry | interesting article on file systems |
| 01:02.19 | ccooke | johnx: Evening. How's it going? |
| 01:06.09 | lcuk | Flandry, the cracked onw? |
| 01:06.15 | lcuk | hi ccooke |
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| 01:06.34 | Flandry | the blogspot one |
| 01:06.48 | Flandry | well mostly the last bit |
| 01:06.54 | Flandry | i don't really care what apple does |
| 01:07.29 | johnx | hey ccooke |
| 01:07.44 | johnx | played with your script a little bit |
| 01:07.53 | ccooke | I saw |
| 01:07.59 | johnx | I think it might have some side-effects related to python gtk |
| 01:08.03 | ccooke | Oh yes? |
| 01:08.13 | ccooke | I haven't tried relocating that yet |
| 01:08.42 | ccooke | I'm glad I stuck the undo in, anyway ;-) |
| 01:08.49 | johnx | if you get a chance might be good to give it a try and see if python things can still find the python gtk module after that |
| 01:08.59 | johnx | yes, the undo seems to have brought it back to working |
| 01:09.17 | johnx | now I'm trying to figure out if appinstaller is buggy or if I relocated other python packages |
| 01:09.31 | ccooke | *nod* |
| 01:09.33 | johnx | is there a good way to just have it print relocated things? |
| 01:09.44 | ccooke | ls -l /opt/relocated :-) |
| 01:09.50 | johnx | ah, thanks :) |
| 01:09.51 | ccooke | that'll get you the package names |
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| 01:10.12 | johnx | fantastic |
| 01:10.47 | johnx | it really does seem like nokia is the biggest offender for not opt-ifying though |
| 01:11.16 | ccooke | There's a lot of polish that could be added, but... I don't think it's a good idea to add it. The reason I stuck all those caveats on the post is it *could* break things... |
| 01:11.25 | lcuk | isnt that because the core components were in place before opt was even a twinkle in someones eye |
| 01:11.44 | ccooke | lcuk: yes |
| 01:11.55 | lcuk | and retesting and validating the entire subsystem would be a massive undertaking |
| 01:12.25 | johnx | there are some real high value targets that should be easy to test |
| 01:12.45 | ccooke | flashplayer and microb are obvious, for instance |
| 01:12.53 | johnx | looking at themes, icons, fonts as well |
| 01:13.07 | ccooke | yeah. I've moved my themes over. |
| 01:13.11 | lcuk | yeah - the big fish |
| 01:13.42 | ccooke | Of course, you don't gain back all the space the package takes up - all those symlinks end up taking some space. |
| 01:13.47 | ccooke | But it's worth it right now. |
| 01:13.54 | johnx | mmmm...and really digging the hitech theme. I'd love a total conversion of the icons too, and a couple different color variations |
| 01:14.11 | johnx | ccooke, yeah, like 4KB per file? |
| 01:14.21 | johnx | does a handy job on QT :) |
| 01:14.30 | ccooke | johnx: not sure. Depends on the FS. |
| 01:14.42 | ccooke | it's ubifs, right? |
| 01:14.47 | lcuk | deffo better to sym an entire folder than each file within |
| 01:14.49 | ccooke | I'm not sure how big a symlink is on that. |
| 01:15.20 | ccooke | lcuk: yeah, but doing that safely is much harder. That's where optifying wins: You can make sure it's *right*. |
| 01:15.53 | lcuk | i thought once you symlinked it was indistinguishable, tho thats just my limited knowledge |
| 01:16.23 | ccooke | lcuk: hardlinks are indistinguishable |
| 01:16.24 | lcuk | or is it things like timing problems (early packages requiring the folder before the mountpoints created |
| 01:16.36 | lcuk | ahh |
| 01:16.38 | ccooke | symlinks are *mostly* indistinguishable |
| 01:17.07 | ccooke | in a hard link, it's literally impossible to tell |
| 01:17.47 | lcuk | cool |
| 01:18.03 | ccooke | if you just open the file, you're fine |
| 01:19.00 | Firebird | what the heck... "libboost-iostreams1.38-dev: Depends: libboost-regex1.38-dev (= 1.38.0-6maemo2) but it is not going to be installed" |
| 01:19.37 | ccooke | the usual problem with symlinks is code that does things like "loop through filenames in directory foo. Look for ones which are normal files, then do stuff" (because they want files, not directories: the test should usually be that it *isn't* whatever you don't want to process) |
| 01:19.53 | lcuk | Firebird, dependency issue, check your repositories are sane |
| 01:20.41 | Firebird | lcuk, that was from the autobuilder |
| 01:21.02 | Firebird | armel fails, but i386 is building |
| 01:21.06 | Firebird | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libboost-regex1.38-dev |
| 01:21.36 | johnx | du is lying to me :( |
| 01:21.39 | lcuk | arghhh ccooke we are taught as developers to explicitely request what we need |
| 01:21.46 | lcuk | so no nasty surprises occur |
| 01:21.46 | johnx | I don't think that symlinks take 0 blocks on ubifs |
| 01:21.50 | johnx | though it'd be a neat trick |
| 01:21.54 | lcuk | magic trick |
| 01:22.20 | Firebird | now that half of the package failed, how do I re-upload it without being rejected for being an existing version... |
| 01:22.22 | ccooke | johnx: nor do I, but they do on some filesystems :-) |
| 01:22.47 | johnx | ccooke, FAT? :P |
| 01:23.02 | ccooke | johnx: yes, a bit, but I'm losing it. Slowly. |
| 01:23.20 | johnx | plays a rimshot |
| 01:23.24 | ccooke | Sorry :-) |
| 01:23.41 | lcuk | lol ccooke you being converted to ntfs? :D |
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| 01:24.25 | ccooke | lcuk: ah, see - I was taught to carefully state what I wanted. In this case, what I'd want is to not recurse :-) |
| 01:24.34 | ccooke | lcuk: nah, umsdos. |
| 01:24.39 | ccooke | (*shudder*) |
| 01:24.42 | lcuk | lol |
| 01:28.20 | Stskeeps | ponders mailing the ti guy |
| 01:28.39 | johnx | ...a cake? |
| 01:28.59 | GeneralAntilles | A threat! |
| 01:29.05 | luke-jr | lol |
| 01:29.14 | johnx | a cake with a threat written on it? |
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| 01:30.09 | Firebird | eek, I have uncovered a dependency mess in the armel repo for fremantle relating to boost->libicu :( |
| 01:30.47 | Firebird | "libboost-regex1.38-dev: Depends: libicu-dev"..."libicu-dev: Depends: libicu42 (= 4.2.1-3maemo1) but 4.2.1-3maemo3 is to be installed" |
| 01:32.10 | johnx | I love these awesome "=" dependencies Nokia is so fond of... |
| 01:32.28 | ccooke | johnx: there's a reason for it. It's a bad one, but... |
| 01:33.29 | johnx | yeah |
| 01:33.37 | johnx | I remember the discussion from a year or so back |
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| 01:34.05 | pupnik | bugrep Firebird ? |
| 01:34.56 | Firebird | pupnik, going to PM the maintainer |
| 01:35.01 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, hopefully they eventually manage to figure that out. . . . |
| 01:35.18 | pupnik | Pandora linux gaming handheld - arm A8 cortex - running Nintendo 64 emulator - mario - with opengl es 2.0 rendering - video from device lcd > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_EXdG5x7j0 |
| 01:35.22 | johnx | I also don't remember being very convinced by the reasoning |
| 01:35.49 | johnx | ooooh, did they get the sgx working with it? |
| 01:35.53 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, pretty much anything Nokia does that's stupid or inane can be explained by their broken process. |
| 01:35.56 | pupnik | yes |
| 01:36.26 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, I love the fact that we can steal all of this stuff from them. |
| 01:36.47 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, or by decisions that favor software in peoples' hands over software that is technically correct |
| 01:37.05 | pupnik | in real world use however expect n900 to be 1/2-2/3 as fast as 850mhz pandora |
| 01:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, right, overclocked. |
| 01:37.22 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray, brick. |
| 01:37.29 | derf | Absolutely no one has good process. |
| 01:37.43 | derf | If you're relying on good process to develop good software, you're screwed. |
| 01:38.17 | pupnik | a good tesm |
| 01:38.33 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, i thought different grades of chips were available for arm as for any other cpu |
| 01:38.34 | pupnik | teams load balance |
| 01:38.45 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, er? |
| 01:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, one of those grades isn't 850MHz. :) |
| 01:39.14 | johnx | and all are 720MHz, given proper cooling |
| 01:39.37 | johnx | maybe not all :) |
| 01:39.38 | lcuk | ok |
| 01:39.40 | johnx | at least the pandora's |
| 01:39.44 | lcuk | where did i read about 1ghz ones then |
| 01:39.57 | pupnik | the kind of emergent dance seen on a soccerfield or real world development cant be planned in advance |
| 01:39.58 | lcuk | or was i dozin |
| 01:40.19 | johnx | lcuk, they were saying they could hit 1GHz I think at some point |
| 01:40.26 | johnx | not sure if there are any of those chips in reality |
| 01:40.28 | lcuk | nods |
| 01:40.48 | lcuk | i need to sleep rly tonight |
| 01:40.52 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, OMAP3430 is rated for 600MHz. OMAP3530 has recently been upped to 720MHz. |
| 01:40.59 | lcuk | thanks gan |
| 01:41.06 | lcuk | 600mhz max |
| 01:41.11 | pupnik | sleep well |
| 01:41.14 | lcuk | and not all the time |
| 01:41.23 | lcuk | according to summit |
| 01:42.26 | pupnik | we should find any recorded microphone audio from summit talks... that can be merged with video footage of ours |
| 01:42.54 | pupnik | i have good footage of lectures (nice zoom for projected images!) |
| 01:43.09 | pupnik | a couple at least |
| 01:43.44 | lcuk | it would be great to have a complete timeline and allow people to upload any media/observation/notes directly into proper sequence |
| 01:43.55 | lcuk | as discussed for the cocreation stuff |
| 01:43.58 | pupnik | wiki page does |
| 01:44.12 | pupnik | can link any talk to vid |
| 01:44.15 | lcuk | yeah but automagically |
| 01:44.20 | pupnik | heh |
| 01:44.40 | lcuk | tweaks have timestamps so do photos etc |
| 01:44.51 | lcuk | video does too, just work backwards |
| 01:44.56 | lcuk | sketch notes do |
| 01:45.11 | pupnik | didnt we see folks with real cameras? who were they? |
| 01:45.20 | lcuk | the audience |
| 01:45.29 | lcuk | lol there were 300 realtime sensor devices |
| 01:45.51 | lcuk | we were like the little sensors they sent into the hurricane in twister! |
| 01:46.00 | GAN900 | pupnik, apparently the people who were PAID to record everything screwed up the audio. |
| 01:46.07 | GAN900 | So it was all useless. |
| 01:46.28 | pupnik | that sucks |
| 01:46.42 | lcuk | GAN900, official confirmation about this? |
| 01:46.50 | lcuk | or just speculation due to lack of facts/ |
| 01:47.07 | GAN900 | lcuk, there's a thread on some list or other. |
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| 01:50.32 | lcuk | lol GAN900 i could say theres threads on some list or other describing the landing of aliens, that doesnt make it fact. but you have ear to ground so will let you off for now :P |
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| 01:52.53 | pupnik | i know i havent seen a link to recordings besides user submitted video |
| 01:54.49 | GAN900 | lcuk, yes, because I'm so inclined to make shit up. |
| 01:54.59 | johnx | if I hadn't been told right at the beginning that professionals were covering it, I probably would have had my n900 going constantly the whole time :/ |
| 01:58.34 | pupnik | oo, a spot-microphone would be a great addon |
| 01:59.25 | johnx | could do stereo with one attached to usb and on attached to line in :> |
| 01:59.56 | pupnik | wnot to mention pro dac/adc boxes |
| 02:00.43 | Stskeeps | wonders if mbx drivers will be behind email auth too. |
| 02:01.25 | lcuk | johnx, wouldv been cool with just super multidevice recording |
| 02:01.46 | pupnik | well, do we have usb-audio kernel drivers? |
| 02:02.00 | johnx | should be easy to compile as a module |
| 02:03.06 | johnx | anyways, heading off to watch TV with the wife :) |
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| 02:05.42 | pupnik | cheers johnx |
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| 02:22.46 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: will be? you didn't install them yet? |
| 02:23.00 | Stskeeps | not out yet |
| 02:23.46 | luke-jr | I have it working with KDE 4.3... |
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| 02:24.36 | Stskeeps | mbx? :P |
| 02:25.06 | pupnik | ++? |
| 02:25.30 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: N810 |
| 02:25.32 | luke-jr | whatever that is |
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| 02:48.47 | solarion | n810 is awesome |
| 02:49.46 | lcuk | +1 |
| 02:50.04 | GeneralAntilles | N900 is better. |
| 02:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | The keyboard is so much better it's silly. |
| 02:50.40 | lcuk | of course its better GeneralAntilles, its newer and faster. but the 810 kicks serious ass |
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| 02:51.39 | GeneralAntilles | prefers the N800. |
| 02:52.00 | lcuk | do you still keep yours powered up>? |
| 02:52.11 | lcuk | if so, what do you leave running on it? |
| 02:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | XChat, FBReader |
| 02:53.42 | GeneralAntilles | Browser when I need it. |
| 02:54.01 | lcuk | i saw a posting before someone saying they have flipclock all day at work |
| 02:54.22 | lcuk | i like how these old devices havent just died - like 770 still serves useful purpose to some people |
| 02:57.59 | zash | lcuk: nokia-made stuff from a few years ago holds forever |
| 02:58.08 | zash | lcuk: like my 3310 |
| 02:58.24 | lcuk | isnt that the same even now |
| 02:58.36 | lcuk | the 900 is gonna be a rock solid platform |
| 03:00.13 | pupnik | does n900 detect opened rear lid? |
| 03:00.24 | pupnik | in other words, can i boot with it off? |
| 03:00.31 | zash | pupnik: define lid? |
| 03:00.35 | ali1234 | it does detect it |
| 03:00.38 | pupnik | the battery cover |
| 03:00.40 | pupnik | acha |
| 03:00.48 | ali1234 | cos of the camera slide |
| 03:00.53 | ali1234 | it has two positions |
| 03:01.01 | ali1234 | if it's in neither, battery case is off :) |
| 03:01.10 | pupnik | ty |
| 03:01.10 | ali1234 | at least i assume that's how it works |
| 03:01.24 | ali1234 | it definitely detects it anyway |
| 03:01.24 | lcuk | cool |
| 03:01.35 | pupnik | magnets are cool |
| 03:01.59 | ali1234 | actually it uses two pieces of plastic, one black, one white |
| 03:02.04 | ali1234 | for the slide anyway |
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| 05:12.57 | Macer | omfg hahahaha |
| 05:13.00 | Macer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbG9i1oGPA&feature=related |
| 05:13.05 | Macer | holy shit what people do |
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| 05:19.22 | tank-man | I waiting till the bulldozer transforms into a giant robot |
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| 05:22.52 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have an n900 w/ mail configured? |
| 05:22.58 | Macer | tank-man: hahah i was too |
| 05:23.01 | Macer | but it didn't happen :) |
| 05:23.06 | Macer | what a let down |
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| 06:38.08 | tigert | i think presence got stuck with location |
| 06:38.29 | tigert | Xisdibik: ? |
| 06:39.08 | Xisdibik | i was joking, asking if you really werent Riihimaki |
| 06:39.09 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 06:44.35 | tigert | heh |
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| 08:44.22 | RST38h | HELO all |
| 08:44.35 | RST38h | Anyone can point me to the TI page with OMAP3 documentation? |
| 08:45.22 | VDVsx | RST38h, google can :P |
| 08:45.24 | VDVsx | hides |
| 08:46.04 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: <-- brainwashed by Google, now that he has been to Google HQ |
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| 08:46.40 | VDVsx | I meant google the search engine :) |
| 08:46.42 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 08:50.40 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, I still prefer Nokia :). Google offered me lots of food and t-shirts, but I didn't get any android device :(, so Nokia still rullzzz :P |
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| 08:51.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Hehe :p |
| 08:52.19 | samad | is there any API that i can detect the device is sleep mode or dead mode ? |
| 08:52.29 | Xisdibik | would said android device be as good as the n900 anyways? ;) |
| 08:52.40 | samad | i am working with n900 |
| 08:52.57 | Xisdibik | that was for VDVsx not you samad |
| 08:52.57 | Xisdibik | ;) |
| 08:53.46 | qwerty12_N810 | is rolling out his own network: http://i.imgur.com/bPY8R.png |
| 08:54.06 | VDVsx | Xisdibik, not for me, but I like to have tons of gadgets :) |
| 08:54.29 | mgedmin | inline bool is_device_powered_off() { return false; } |
| 08:54.40 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, lol, skynet by evil qwerty :P |
| 08:54.58 | qwerty12_N810 | muhahaha |
| 08:55.02 | Xisdibik | starts stockpiling guns and stuff for when they attack |
| 08:56.44 | Xisdibik | hey qwerty12_N810 not that you would know but, Would doing an alternative ubuntu install and then selecting the ubuntu desktop be any less resource consuming / space hogging than doing a live CD install ? |
| 08:57.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Xisdibik: You're right: I don't know, sorry (Xubuntu in VMware here) :) |
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| 08:57.50 | Xisdibik | if anyone else thinks they know the answer they can pipe in ;) |
| 09:01.09 | mgedmin | Xisdibik: maybe, maybe not |
| 09:01.22 | Xisdibik | what would you put your money on mgedmin ? |
| 09:01.29 | mgedmin | most likely you'd end up with the same set of packages |
| 09:01.37 | Xisdibik | thats what i figured |
| 09:01.44 | mgedmin | but if you installed smaller bits instead of ubuntu-desktop, you'd end up with a smaller system |
| 09:01.52 | mgedmin | that'd mean more work |
| 09:02.03 | Xisdibik | yeah |
| 09:02.09 | mgedmin | but then installing only what you need is easier than removing what you don't |
| 09:03.15 | Xisdibik | yea, unless i dont know exactly everything i need?! |
| 09:03.22 | Xisdibik | but do know what i dont (within reason)? ;) |
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| 09:05.06 | VDVsx | is looking forward to pass another 15 hours inside a plane :( |
| 09:05.43 | achipa_irssi | anyone |
| 09:05.59 | achipa_irssi | whoops |
| 09:06.18 | achipa_irssi | anyone with alarmd install problems on scratchbox ? |
| 09:06.53 | achipa_irssi | I tried od apt-get install nokia binaries and ran into a nice permission denied in alarmd :) |
| 09:07.17 | qwerty12_N810 | Tried with "fakeroot" prefixed? |
| 09:07.35 | achipa_irssi | VDVsx: long trip for a bit of food and tshirts :D |
| 09:08.09 | VDVsx | achipa_irssi, and booze ;) |
| 09:08.55 | qwerty12_N810 | achipa_irssi: This is the last part of the trip: They're gonna indoctrinate him in Google Thought. When he comes back, he's gonna be an Android supporter and shun Maemo |
| 09:09.07 | achipa_irssi | I are baboon, fakeroot it is |
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| 09:10.52 | achipa_irssi | VDVsx: booze makes all the difference :D |
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| 09:11.04 | engineer | hello all |
| 09:11.13 | engineer | anyone used nokia2630? |
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| 09:11.32 | engineer | i am having a small issue related to its themes? |
| 09:11.39 | engineer | can anyone help? |
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| 09:12.21 | mgedmin | bug: launch an app (say, xterm), see the app's picture (really just a screenshot, but you don't know that!), start typing -> contacts search pops up |
| 09:12.33 | mgedmin | what's the right package for reporting this? |
| 09:12.39 | mgedmin | hildon-desktop? |
| 09:12.54 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, beware, I had a advanced trolling techniques session :) if I join the dark side, I can now be a good troll asset :) |
| 09:13.11 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: I'll just get lcuk to kick you |
| 09:13.25 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, puffff |
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| 09:14.03 | sulx | anyone tried to build mythtv for frema? |
| 09:15.29 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, but now I can say that our trolls are pretty 'basic', we never had advanced trolls afair :P |
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| 09:16.23 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: Darius doesn't fit into the category of "advanced"? :) |
| 09:16.34 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, nah |
| 09:16.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Ooh |
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| 09:23.45 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, there're trolls that submit false bug reports full of fake straces, to make them appear legitimate, lolol (normally people from rivals projects) |
| 09:26.07 | Suurorca | how mature :p |
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| 09:27.42 | glass | well at least that would show some effort :D |
| 09:29.35 | VDVsx | likes some 'types' of trooling -> http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 |
| 09:29.37 | VDVsx | hihi |
| 09:31.23 | _berto_ | http://forum.zwame.pt/showthread.php?p=5410179 |
| 09:31.31 | Corsac | mpf, now 560¤ >< |
| 09:31.45 | wazd | VDVsx: how's the BM going? :) |
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| 09:32.40 | VDVsx | wazd, waiting for my lazy designer to send me some stuff, hihihihihi |
| 09:33.21 | wazd | VDVsx: oh, you should punish him definitely :D |
| 09:34.59 | VDVsx | wazd, I'm abroad atm, but I'm planning to have a test version this week :) |
| 09:35.14 | VDVsx | is almost done apart from the UI :) |
| 09:38.01 | wazd | VDVsx: I'll send you all graphics today |
| 09:38.03 | timeless | makes a little progress |
| 09:40.30 | VDVsx | wazd, not a rush I'll only arrive at home on Tuesday and will be jet lagged , so Wednesday is the day :) |
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| 09:43.51 | timeless | arg, i hate busses |
| 09:44.21 | timeless | i just took a ride to nowhere, espoo, finland |
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| 10:01.35 | anidel | morning |
| 10:01.51 | qwerty12_N810 | Hiya, anidel |
| 10:01.59 | anidel | hey qwerty.. |
| 10:01.59 | Suurorca | morn |
| 10:02.39 | anidel | today I'll be switching from BT broadband to Virgin |
| 10:02.52 | anidel | :) finally I'll get rid of the BT modem |
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| 10:04.51 | vesa | perhaps a silly question: is it possible to send a file from the filemanager via bluetooth? |
| 10:04.59 | SpeedEvil | sighs, and ponders going on again about his broadband problems. |
| 10:05.11 | vesa | i might be blind but i just couldn't figure out where there's an option to do that |
| 10:05.38 | SpeedEvil | Can you right-click on the touchscreen? |
| 10:06.00 | vesa | hmm, not that i'm aware of. maybe there's some key-combo |
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| 10:07.03 | vesa | a long click gives you a menu of options, but it doesn't have send |
| 10:07.16 | qwerty12_N810 | vesa: N900? |
| 10:07.33 | vesa | aye |
| 10:08.26 | vesa | the image viewer has 'share' which works, but for regular files (like say downloaded sis package that i'd like to send to my wifes phone) |
| 10:08.26 | qwerty12_N810 | In that case, there's a bug open for that. Nokia, in their infinite wisdom (I mean, no one sends a file from their phone, right?) decided to remove the option from the file manager |
| 10:08.35 | vesa | oh... |
| 10:08.43 | vesa | ok, well. i'll stop looking then =) |
| 10:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Because clearly nokia is right, and you diddn't really want to :) |
| 10:09.03 | anidel | vesa yeah you send the file from its right application |
| 10:09.08 | anidel | send a picture from Photos |
| 10:09.14 | anidel | send a video from Media Player |
| 10:09.26 | anidel | and so on.. not sure from where you can send a PDF tho |
| 10:09.28 | vesa | yeah. there's no application for symbian packages though =) |
| 10:09.40 | vesa | downloading them is much easier on a proper browser |
| 10:10.02 | anidel | not from PDF viewer.. weird |
| 10:10.42 | anidel | so yeah.. it's definitely a bug :) |
| 10:10.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Diablo's PDF Viewer has the option... :) |
| 10:10.51 | anidel | not on n900, just checked |
| 10:11.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, same :/ |
| 10:11.20 | tekojo | Yes, it's a bug, please open one, if it isn't in the bugzilla yet |
| 10:11.35 | vesa | maybe the final version will have it... |
| 10:12.08 | anidel | hi Tero, didn't know you were here on IRC as well |
| 10:12.30 | tekojo | Hi anidel, I mostly lurk, but I do try to hang around as much as I can |
| 10:13.32 | anidel | yeah I'm trying to do the same.. working from home today -> more time :p |
| 10:13.37 | Myrtti | gives tekojo a cookie |
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| 10:14.11 | anidel | bug 5300 looks like it: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5300 |
| 10:14.26 | anidel | filed as enhancement.. |
| 10:14.59 | tekojo | Thanks Myrtti! |
| 10:15.18 | samad | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.30 | tekojo | yes #5300 it is |
| 10:16.07 | qwerty12_N810 | samad: Read up on the libosso API. And, no, just so that we get it out of the way now: I will not give a step by step as to how you use it |
| 10:16.27 | anidel | voted |
| 10:16.48 | anidel | vesa: would you please vote on it as well if you feel it's worth it? |
| 10:17.09 | vesa | ofcourse. will do. |
| 10:17.16 | samad | qwerty12_N810: thanks |
| 10:17.51 | anidel | vesa: thanks |
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| 10:18.04 | anidel | (will 'thanks' on IRC counted for Karma? :D :D |
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| 10:26.08 | vesa | another thing that's been bugging me is the profiles. is there really only silent/general or is there a way to add profiles? |
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| 10:27.50 | Khertan | Hello everyone ! |
| 10:29.04 | RST38h | moo all |
| 10:29.37 | RST38h | heya khertan, , myrtti, qwerty |
| 10:29.45 | RST38h | tekojo too |
| 10:29.50 | qwerty12_N810 | vesa: AFAIK, you can add a new one to /etc/profiled/99.custom.ini, but you will have to make a program using libprofile (nokia-binaries repo) to switch to it, as the GUI wont list it |
| 10:30.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Hiya RST38h, Khertan, tekojo |
| 10:30.10 | tekojo | morning RST38h |
| 10:30.17 | tekojo | And everyone else :-) |
| 10:30.46 | vesa | qwerty12_N810: ah, ok. i might try it but the ui not listing the profile does cut down on how useful a new profile really is |
| 10:31.00 | qwerty12_N810 | *nods* |
| 10:31.35 | qwerty12_N810 | remembers his 3310 having more profiles =) |
| 10:32.05 | tekojo | vesa really only two profiles, takes a bit of getting used to, but does work |
| 10:32.22 | Khertan | Hi RST38h and qwerty12_N810 |
| 10:32.35 | vesa | all i'm really missing is a profile that's only vibrate (leaving silent to not even vibrate) |
| 10:33.14 | wazd | On december 2012 an asteroid, that was heading to the Earth appeared in the sky. And |
| 10:33.16 | mgedmin | there are checkboxes |
| 10:33.19 | mgedmin | useful |
| 10:33.32 | Myrtti | moo RST38h |
| 10:33.52 | Corsac | qwerty12_N810: is there a bug report about that? |
| 10:34.10 | wazd | damn |
| 10:34.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: The profiles? I don't think so |
| 10:34.14 | Khertan | wazd: but in december 2012 we will got a Nokia n1800 with a integrated Energy Shield |
| 10:34.20 | Khertan | wazd: so it s not a problem |
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| 10:35.09 | Corsac | qwerty12_N810: would it make sense to open a bug while I don't even had a chance to test it? I can wait for it to open the bug, but... |
| 10:36.09 | timeless | fwiw the reason why you can't share from most apps in fremantle is very funny |
| 10:36.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: I don't see why not, I guess it's all about the usability factor |
| 10:36.27 | timeless | or incredibly sad, depending on how one looks at it |
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| 10:41.15 | wazd | On december 2012 an asteroid, that was heading to the Earth appeared in the sky. And it struck the Earth right where Mayan calendar was placed. And there was dust. When the dust dispersed a new stone calendar was standing. And there was a message on it "Here's the new stone calendar till 32118 year you've asked. Thanks for using our stone calendars!" |
| 10:41.30 | Stskeeps | wazd: hah |
| 10:43.25 | Corsac | mpf, I don't yet have a bugzilla account |
| 10:43.27 | Corsac | that's weird |
| 10:43.48 | Corsac | hmhm, talk and bugzilla aren't linked, are they? |
| 10:44.07 | zerojay | linked for what? |
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| 10:44.43 | RST38h | wazd: Not 32118. 32767. |
| 10:44.45 | timeless | no signle sign on, yet, sadly |
| 10:45.06 | RST38h | (and yes, I also find it amusing that the aliens use signed shorts) |
| 10:45.07 | wazd | RST38h: damn, now I have to order new one :( |
| 10:45.43 | RST38h | wonders if the alien MIPS goes into exception when the incremen 32767 by 1 |
| 10:46.33 | SpeedEvil | Of course not. |
| 10:46.50 | SpeedEvil | 19683 |
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| 10:47.59 | Corsac | zerojay: for accoutns |
| 10:48.16 | timeless | corsac: someday |
| 10:48.21 | Corsac | ok |
| 10:48.30 | timeless | it's on someone's wishlist/toplan list |
| 10:48.32 | Corsac | (so it wasn't a bad idea to create an account) |
| 10:49.01 | timeless | do everyone a favor and make sure the accounts share an email address :) |
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| 10:49.30 | wazd | ok, ordered the new one :) |
| 10:49.37 | Corsac | timeless: yes :) |
| 10:49.56 | Corsac | qwerty12_N810: Maemo Platform / Desktop Platform? |
| 10:50.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Dunno, I've only filed a total of 3 bugs so I'm not the person to ask |
| 10:51.05 | Corsac | ok :) |
| 10:51.32 | zerojay | Corsac: I still don't understand. |
| 10:52.15 | timeless | what's the bug? |
| 10:52.15 | zerojay | Corsac: Why would you need Bugzilla and Talk specifically linked? |
| 10:52.15 | timeless | lack of send object from various apps? |
| 10:52.15 | anidel | qwerty that's why you didn't get a Fixed in Fremantle t-shirt :p |
| 10:52.15 | timeless | zerojay: unified auth |
| 10:52.15 | timeless | one username, one password |
| 10:52.27 | zerojay | timeless: Oh, if that's what he's talking about... but why just those two? |
| 10:52.45 | timeless | instead of wiki/garage? |
| 10:52.50 | anidel | which bug? bluetooth sending? |
| 10:52.51 | timeless | shrugs |
| 10:52.57 | Suurorca | wouldn't it be about time to start saying "fixed in harmattan" ;p |
| 10:52.57 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: Now I'm just gonna go and cry :( |
| 10:53.07 | anidel | eheh me too |
| 10:53.26 | timeless | suurorca: internally, we're waiting for harmattan to start fixing bugs |
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| 10:53.55 | anidel | goes and cries |
| 10:54.03 | Corsac | zerojay: well, talk, garage, everything! |
| 10:54.03 | RST38h | wazd: When ordering it, can you put Texas as your mailing address? |
| 10:54.27 | RST38h | wazd: And I will order an extra copy to Redmond |
| 10:54.35 | Corsac | timeless: the fact that there are only two profiles and one can't do custom ones |
| 10:54.44 | timeless | oh |
| 10:54.52 | timeless | not technically correct |
| 10:54.59 | timeless | the backend supports it |
| 10:55.13 | timeless | and the ui spec says to only allow two |
| 10:55.47 | timeless | presumably it's a bug in settings, enhancement for harmattan |
| 10:55.58 | timeless | dunno what they plan for that |
| 10:56.12 | timeless | maybe they plan to support more |
| 10:56.16 | anidel | timeless which bug is that? |
| 10:56.16 | timeless | maybe not |
| 10:56.23 | ccooke | Morning, all |
| 10:56.31 | anidel | morning ccooke |
| 10:56.35 | qwerty12_N810 | Hiya, ccooke |
| 10:56.37 | timeless | personally, i'd suggest writing an applet today that manages profiles |
| 10:56.46 | anidel | ah profiles |
| 10:56.48 | timeless | and ignoring the default one |
| 10:56.50 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: I want my Fixed in Harmattan T-shirt, now |
| 10:57.02 | Corsac | I didn't yet submit it so I can reclassify it :) |
| 10:57.03 | Khertan | Just a question does the icon to do selection in XTerm in Fremantle is a GTK_STOCK ? come from theme ? |
| 10:57.27 | anidel | sends a faked Fixed in Hamrattan t-shirt to Qwerty now... along with a bug in it |
| 10:57.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Khertan: Theme icon, want me to look it up? |
| 10:57.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Aww, thanks anidel! |
| 10:57.51 | anidel | :) |
| 10:58.17 | wazd | Fixed in Harmaten |
| 10:58.20 | Khertan | qwerty12_N810: hum ... if it s a theme icon it should be available in gtk stock right ? as i can't found it in python binding ... |
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| 10:59.50 | RST38h | Anyone remembers the URL with TI documentation on OMAP3? |
| 11:00.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Khertan: You want browser_panning_mode_on.png; use the GtkIconTheme functions to get to it |
| 11:00.28 | k-s | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5794 |
| 11:00.59 | Khertan | qwerty12_N810: yep this is for a panning_mode_on too :) thx |
| 11:01.22 | anidel | rst38h: sorry :p http://tinyurl.com/yft2oaj |
| 11:01.38 | liri | are we gonna have a kicking ass PIM with (google) sync support when the n900 is out? |
| 11:02.21 | RST38h | anidel: thanks =)~ |
| 11:02.54 | Corsac | liri: direct sync looks more interesting |
| 11:03.02 | liri | what is direct sync? |
| 11:03.09 | anidel | rst38h ahaha sorry it's just that I love to use it :p |
| 11:03.12 | RST38h | anidel: or, I stand corrected: no thanks, as there is no useful information in that google search |
| 11:03.22 | RST38h | (I have done it before) |
| 11:03.26 | anidel | damn.. -1 karma then |
| 11:03.36 | anidel | (for me) |
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| 11:04.17 | anidel | btw google searches are just starting points .. however, I do not have that info.. I remember seeing it somewhere... couldn't remember where |
| 11:04.21 | Corsac | liri: like, not supplying all your data to a third party |
| 11:04.38 | Corsac | liri: and do a direct sync between your devices |
| 11:04.52 | anidel | we should write a "let me find/file that bug for you" page |
| 11:05.19 | SpeedEvil | You don't have to supply all your data to a third party - even if they deal with it. Encryption. |
| 11:05.44 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: do you know a sync engine which does that? |
| 11:06.05 | Corsac | RST38h: is http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap3530.html helpful? |
| 11:06.32 | Khertan | Does Nokia plan to do sync with google agenda for there calendar on Fremantle ? |
| 11:06.51 | RST38h | Corsac: This is it! Thanks =) |
| 11:07.09 | Corsac | karma++ |
| 11:07.11 | timeless_mbp | Khertan: nokia -- plan ? |
| 11:07.18 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:07.34 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: firefox weave - but that's not quite the same |
| 11:07.38 | SpeedEvil | Or do I mean wave |
| 11:07.41 | Khertan | yep ... just to know if i lost some time to make a apply which do the sync ... or not |
| 11:07.44 | SpeedEvil | gets confused easily. |
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| 11:08.31 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: as I get it, for the sync to work correctly, both party need to know the content |
| 11:08.33 | SpeedEvil | yeah - weave |
| 11:08.41 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: Sure. But not the server |
| 11:08.50 | SpeedEvil | Corsac: only the end parties |
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| 11:09.01 | SpeedEvil | that is - the synchronising devices |
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| 11:09.15 | Corsac | but you sync with the server, don't you? |
| 11:09.18 | Corsac | atm, at least |
| 11:09.19 | SpeedEvil | Imagine - for the sake of argument - implementing it with an encrypted filesystem stored on the server |
| 11:09.25 | pancake_ | how can I get hildon working on a desktop? |
| 11:09.27 | anidel | speedevil: weave encrypts the data? I thought it does only for sending it... does they store it encrypted? not sure.. they need to search out of it to make money |
| 11:09.30 | pancake_ | the source from git doesnt builds |
| 11:09.36 | zash | is it correct that maemo uses evolution-data-server as backend for stuff? Does that mean one can sync by just rsyncing ~/.evolution ? |
| 11:09.41 | SpeedEvil | you mount the filesystem with your local key, and never send the key to the server. |
| 11:09.50 | SpeedEvil | anidel: firefox, not google |
| 11:09.52 | ccooke | zash: Not safely, I'd expect. |
| 11:09.56 | anidel | speedevil: TCFS :D was doing that :p |
| 11:10.21 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: yes but I'm not sure any engine does that atm |
| 11:10.22 | anidel | speedevil: yeah.. I mean firefox's encrypting the data on the channel.. but google is not storing it encrypted |
| 11:10.36 | zash | if not, how's syncing with evo otherwise? |
| 11:10.37 | SpeedEvil | anidel: nothing to do with google |
| 11:10.45 | SpeedEvil | anidel: google weave is seperate to firefox wave |
| 11:10.56 | SpeedEvil | anidel: err firefox wave and google weave |
| 11:10.59 | SpeedEvil | sighs |
| 11:11.07 | anidel | wait |
| 11:11.07 | zash | firefox wave? |
| 11:11.14 | anidel | i'm confused :) |
| 11:11.15 | SpeedEvil | firefox weave and google wave have nothing to do with each other. |
| 11:11.20 | anidel | firefox weave and google wave |
| 11:11.25 | anidel | yes |
| 11:11.30 | Corsac | anidel: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10868 |
| 11:11.31 | anidel | so you confused me as well.. i meant |
| 11:11.42 | anidel | firefox wave encrypts data on the channel |
| 11:11.52 | anidel | but does firefox store it encrypted? |
| 11:11.58 | SpeedEvil | firefox weave syncs all your browser details - history, bookmarks, .... - over multiple devices with the synchronising server not knowing the data - if it's encrypted |
| 11:12.15 | SpeedEvil | I think the default is to do encryption. It's not stored locally encrypted |
| 11:12.16 | zash | anidel: "cloud" based? |
| 11:12.16 | anidel | corsac : thanks I know it and using it :) was confused with google weave.. /me hits speedevil :p |
| 11:13.03 | zash | anyone tried fennec on n* |
| 11:13.06 | anidel | Firefox wave uses cloud yeah.. that means the data is stored on some server |
| 11:13.26 | zash | anidel: what if i want to use my own server? |
| 11:13.47 | anidel | no idea.. I don't know if Wave lets you do that |
| 11:13.51 | anidel | I think so.. |
| 11:13.51 | SpeedEvil | Firefox weave - you can have your own server - or use theirs. |
| 11:14.05 | SpeedEvil | and the data is by default (I think - it may be an option) encrypted |
| 11:14.07 | Corsac | I tried fennec on the touchbook and it just sucks |
| 11:14.13 | anidel | *Weave* |
| 11:14.40 | anidel | speedevil: uhm... yeah they should |
| 11:14.57 | anidel | hopefully |
| 11:15.22 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can compile your own server, and host it somewhere if it worries you. |
| 11:15.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:15.36 | Jaffa | crashanddie: pong |
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| 11:15.54 | qwerty12_N810 | Morning, Jaffa |
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| 11:16.15 | Shapeshifter | mhh. If the palm pre has a facebook app, will it be called "facepalm"? |
| 11:16.24 | ccooke | It will now. |
| 11:16.31 | zash | Shapeshifter: lol |
| 11:16.58 | anidel | morning Jaffa |
| 11:17.10 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: that's the purpose of funambol servers etc. |
| 11:17.27 | Corsac | SpeedEvil: but doing that is just awful (it involves tomcat etc.) |
| 11:17.50 | Khertan | there is no binding for nokia calendar in python ? |
| 11:18.18 | zash | Corsac: ff weave server needs tomcat? |
| 11:18.27 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:18.34 | SpeedEvil | ff weave is only ff |
| 11:18.43 | Khertan | evolution-python |
| 11:18.44 | Khertan | <<< |
| 11:18.45 | Khertan | found |
| 11:18.46 | SpeedEvil | it doesn't synchronise your email or anytehing else. Just FF |
| 11:19.44 | Corsac | zash: no, funambol server is a syncML server |
| 11:21.44 | Jaffa | Khertan: python-evolution is in extras-testing. But I don't think I packaged it with ecal turned on due to a compile problem in the earlier SDK release |
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| 11:22.02 | Khertan | Jaffa: :( sniff |
| 11:22.09 | Khertan | Jaffa: so i ll wait :) |
| 11:22.14 | Jaffa | Khertan: Recipe is in MUD, sopatches welcome ;-) |
| 11:22.25 | Khertan | héhé :) |
| 11:22.47 | Jaffa | isn't at an SDK machine until Friday, so a perfect chance to get started with MUD ;-) |
| 11:22.53 | Jaffa | [for you] |
| 11:23.12 | Khertan | didn't have any scratchbox running ;) |
| 11:23.33 | Khertan | didn't hope to compile anything onboard on a n900 :) |
| 11:23.43 | mgedmin | my bug is already filed, good thing I did a search: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5745 |
| 11:25.15 | timeless_mbp | hello world |
| 11:25.22 | ccooke | mgedmin: although it might be filed against the wrong package. Isn't the problem with the terminal, not contacts? |
| 11:25.22 | timeless_mbp | could someone please sacrifice 5-10 mins of their life for me? |
| 11:25.33 | timeless_mbp | payment is that you could decide to file this bug instead of me |
| 11:25.35 | mgedmin | definitely not terminal, ccooke |
| 11:25.52 | mgedmin | it's the "show fake screenshot on app launch until app comes up" thing falling through |
| 11:25.59 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: oh wow, bug 5745 happens to be incredibly annoying |
| 11:26.10 | timeless_mbp | i hit it an awful lot w/ xterm |
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| 11:26.21 | mgedmin | have you ever tried, e.g. launching app manager and tapping on one of the icons immediately? |
| 11:26.30 | zerojay | andre__: The data counters being reset when the phone gets super busy has not been fixed after all. trying to watch ustream (which doesn't work, but keeps the phone busy for long periods of time) killed it for me twice this weekend. |
| 11:26.31 | mgedmin | the app manager screen disappears and you end up looking at the task switcher |
| 11:26.35 | timeless_mbp | i've had desktop batch events for 10+ mins |
| 11:26.36 | mgedmin | then the app manager really starts up |
| 11:26.39 | timeless_mbp | and then later it dispatches them |
| 11:26.51 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: yeah, i've hit that |
| 11:26.52 | mgedmin | now if instead of tapping you start typing, you get bug 5745 |
| 11:27.11 | andre__ | zerojay, feel free to comment on the bug report and mention the version that you use |
| 11:27.30 | timeless_mbp | so... who wants a free bug? |
| 11:27.32 | andre__ | zerojay, i don't have all numbers in my head :) |
| 11:27.34 | timeless_mbp | it only costs 10 mins to file |
| 11:27.35 | zerojay | andre__: I don't think it was a bug that was made public. |
| 11:27.41 | timeless_mbp | (And a certain amount of sanity) |
| 11:27.42 | andre__ | ah, okay |
| 11:27.43 | andre__ | let me see |
| 11:27.56 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: I'll bite, maybe. |
| 11:28.09 | timeless_mbp | zerojay: step one: mute your n900 -- this is for your sanity |
| 11:28.33 | timeless_mbp | step two: open "Get started" (preferably in en-GB or official en-US -- we don't want to confuse people by using my strings) |
| 11:28.34 | andre__ | zerojay, feel free to drop me an email with exact info (version, steps to reproduce if possible) |
| 11:28.40 | timeless_mbp | step three: you have to wait a while... |
| 11:28.47 | zerojay | andre__: Will do. |
| 11:28.52 | timeless_mbp | at a certain point there will be a message at the bottom "Check status" |
| 11:28.58 | timeless_mbp | shortly thereafter they'll tap on the status area |
| 11:29.09 | timeless_mbp | get a screen shot of the resulting slide down thing |
| 11:29.18 | timeless_mbp | read the date listed in the clock |
| 11:29.22 | timeless_mbp | then get a working calendar |
| 11:29.36 | crashanddie | Jaffa, could you email me your presentation material? |
| 11:29.51 | timeless_mbp | at this point, you can (and probably should) kill Get started |
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| 11:30.25 | zerojay | lol... wtf... |
| 11:30.39 | mgedmin | anybody else amused at how the official manual has the browser fullscreen button icon flipped horizontally? |
| 11:30.41 | mgedmin | out lunch |
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| 11:30.53 | zerojay | switching from your strings to the default ones has replaced my clock with "xt:26 years ago am" |
| 11:30.55 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: picture/url? :) |
| 11:31.05 | timeless_mbp | zerojay: you need to reboot sadly |
| 11:31.12 | timeless_mbp | the system isn't very good about dealing w/ files |
| 11:31.13 | zerojay | That's hilarious. |
| 11:31.31 | timeless_mbp | i think it basically caches pointers to file offsets |
| 11:31.39 | timeless_mbp | and assumes that they'd be valid |
| 11:31.46 | zerojay | ouch |
| 11:31.51 | timeless_mbp | except for our broken file system something about that assumption doesn't hold |
| 11:31.58 | timeless_mbp | i haven't had enough time to figure out precisely what |
| 11:32.13 | timeless_mbp | you can also crash half a dozen apps in gettext when switching locale files |
| 11:32.17 | anidel | mgedmin the official n900 ad videos usually sport a different ui allover the place |
| 11:32.19 | zerojay | Sounds like the kind of stuff fan translators of ROMs run into all the time. |
| 11:33.10 | anidel | mgedmin like the share button in a video appearing on top of the video and not on the toolbar like ti does now.. also videos continue to play reduced in size when you task switch and that doesn't happen |
| 11:33.10 | zerojay | anidel: That's what happens when your UI's changing up until the last minute while marketing's gotta get stuff done earlier. |
| 11:33.20 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 11:33.39 | anidel | zerojay: yep.. |
| 11:33.44 | zerojay | Happens in games all the time. |
| 11:33.54 | Khertan | anidel: try with mplayer the video continue playing while you are in the task manager |
| 11:33.56 | zerojay | Japanese screenshots on the back of the box, for example. |
| 11:34.01 | anidel | I know, it makes perfectly sense... |
| 11:34.03 | timeless_mbp | zerojay: anyway, lemme know when you've rebooted and gotten the picture :) |
| 11:34.11 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: Getting there. |
| 11:34.24 | anidel | khertan: reduced to a thumbnail size as well? |
| 11:34.31 | Khertan | yep |
| 11:34.38 | anidel | khertan:cool.. |
| 11:35.00 | zerojay | What's the shortcut for taking a screenshot again? |
| 11:35.05 | anidel | khertan: wow effect.. but does it stop playing when actually switching to another app? a video makes sense to be stopped |
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| 11:35.13 | samad | is there any API that i can detect the device (n900)is sleep mode or dead mode ? plz the library name ?? |
| 11:35.15 | anidel | CTRL-SHIFT-P |
| 11:36.02 | Khertan | anidel: nope :) |
| 11:36.02 | anidel | khertan: thumbs down in Extras Testing :p |
| 11:36.04 | anidel | eheh |
| 11:36.18 | Khertan | thumbs down only if it s a blocking things |
| 11:36.33 | Khertan | not for such minor conception |
| 11:36.46 | anidel | consuming battery when not in foreground is :D |
| 11:36.58 | Khertan | and personnaly i prefere that it keep playing in background for listening music on video clips |
| 11:37.22 | anidel | khertan: ehehe sorry was just teasing... :) |
| 11:37.25 | Khertan | : |
| 11:37.26 | Khertan | :) |
| 11:38.18 | Khertan | didn't like this extras-testing validation process ... but did'nt have better proposition |
| 11:38.55 | Khertan | i think it ll make developper unhappy ... |
| 11:39.03 | zerojay | I love that someone thumbed down adblock plus saying it's not optified when it is... he realizes his mistake but does nothing to correct it. Heh. Thanks buddy. |
| 11:39.36 | Khertan | ^^ example 1 |
| 11:39.48 | jeremiah | Well, having a high quality QA system is really important for users |
| 11:40.01 | jeremiah | And while our current system might not be optimal, it is pretty good |
| 11:40.11 | jeremiah | It is open and takes input from the community. |
| 11:40.12 | Khertan | jeremiah: having happy developper is also important |
| 11:40.27 | crashanddie | lol, anyone checked out xkcd today? (http://xkcd.com) |
| 11:40.28 | jeremiah | True |
| 11:40.30 | Khertan | jeremiah: yep ... i didn't found any better idea ... |
| 11:40.30 | qwerty12_N810 | mikkov_: I still maintain that osso_hw_set_display_event_cb() works, especially as I'm using it in my own applet :p |
| 11:40.52 | jeremiah | We definitely need to have happy developers. |
| 11:40.57 | jeremiah | That is a fact. |
| 11:40.59 | Khertan | jeremiah: i don't like the current process, but i think it s the best compromise |
| 11:41.20 | jeremiah | Glad to hear your feedback about it, I think a few people feel the way you do. |
| 11:41.28 | Khertan | yep ... |
| 11:41.29 | jeremiah | Hopefully it will get better |
| 11:41.37 | crashanddie | samad, define sleep or dead mode |
| 11:41.48 | jeremiah | I will work to make it better anyway! :) |
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| 11:41.51 | Khertan | jeremiah: :) |
| 11:42.01 | anidel | xournal is not optified.. but for a reason, optfying it didn't work on my package.. didn't link the actual 'resource' files (only the executable).. |
| 11:42.10 | wazd | > Please notice we cannot ship to Russia due to security restrictions by Nokia. |
| 11:42.11 | anidel | if someone thumbs it down.. there's a problem:) |
| 11:42.24 | wazd | Ok, that's enough |
| 11:42.46 | crashanddie | Khertan, d'un cote, j'ai 4 documents de 20 pages a ecrire, j'ai 2 conf call cet aprem, et je viens de recevoir une prime et une augmentation "pour ma qualite et force de travail phenomenale" |
| 11:42.55 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Treat it as an excuse to visit your bordering country, Finland :) |
| 11:42.58 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: Got the pic. |
| 11:43.11 | wazd | I'm feeling like a fucking terrorist sitting in a mountains and ordering n900 |
| 11:43.15 | wazd | screw it |
| 11:43.21 | Khertan | crashanddie: héhé ... félicitation ... la prochaine fois tu en aura le double :) |
| 11:43.25 | zerojay | crashanddie: Wow... toujours si occupe que ca? |
| 11:43.28 | crashanddie | Khertan, d'un autre cote, je suis a la maison, demain j'me casse aux states pendant 2 semaines, et j'ai plus que 12 courses a faire avant de finir burnout |
| 11:43.29 | Khertan | crashanddie: de travail :) |
| 11:43.33 | Stskeeps | wazd, scary |
| 11:43.48 | Khertan | crashanddie: burnout ? ca se fini vite fais comme jeu ca |
| 11:44.04 | crashanddie | zerojay, fuck, I wasn't expecting someone else to read french |
| 11:44.12 | wazd | Stskeeps: that's not even reply to me, that's Vlad's |
| 11:44.12 | zerojay | crashanddie: lol. |
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| 11:44.22 | zerojay | crashanddie: I'm in Quebec, so.. heh. |
| 11:44.24 | Khertan | lol |
| 11:44.29 | zerojay | Only for one more week. |
| 11:44.37 | crashanddie | so you learnt the language just for a week? |
| 11:44.44 | wazd | Stskeeps: I'm not cool enough for a reply from forum nokia |
| 11:44.59 | Stskeeps | wazd: russia is obviously a terrorist country with nuclear weapons. |
| 11:45.10 | zerojay | crashanddie: No, I've lived in Quebec most of my life, but didn't really learn french too well until this recent stint of 4 years here. |
| 11:45.16 | RST38h | wazd: Vlad is in .BY why would he ship to .RU? |
| 11:45.17 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 11:45.45 | crashanddie | RST38h, because you don't ship to TLDs, only postal addresses |
| 11:45.57 | Stskeeps | wazd, qgil did say he would look into the russian issue |
| 11:46.06 | wazd | RST38h: dunno |
| 11:46.15 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, that sounds so wrong and so right at the same time |
| 11:46.21 | wazd | Stskeeps: I don't care anymore in fact |
| 11:46.23 | crashanddie | "The Russian Issue", could be a good movie from the 70s |
| 11:46.34 | Stskeeps | wazd: mm |
| 11:46.40 | anidel | wazd: you could have it shipped to someone and then shipped to you? |
| 11:46.59 | wazd | anidel: I won't order one |
| 11:47.08 | Khertan | Bye ... going to eat something ... |
| 11:47.21 | crashanddie | Khertan, bon app |
| 11:47.26 | Khertan | merci |
| 11:47.42 | anidel | khertan enjoy your food |
| 11:47.47 | zerojay | 60 Minutes presents... The Russian Issue. |
| 11:48.06 | anidel | wazd: you wouldn't because of this issue? |
| 11:48.44 | samad | crashanddie, i mean when device idle state (standby mode) |
| 11:48.50 | timeless_mbp | zerojay: have you found the bug? |
| 11:48.58 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 11:49.06 | timeless_mbp | filing? :) |
| 11:49.24 | timeless_mbp | can't figure out how they managed to fail to use a calendar |
| 11:49.26 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: Yeah, though I'm just not sure that would be fixed. |
| 11:49.31 | zerojay | "Artist is a dumbass." |
| 11:49.35 | timeless_mbp | not artist |
| 11:49.37 | timeless_mbp | it's a string |
| 11:49.41 | timeless_mbp | i can tell you where it is too :) |
| 11:49.48 | timeless_mbp | apt-get install gettext |
| 11:49.57 | zerojay | Oh, so it's not just simply .pngs being pushed around then |
| 11:50.45 | timeless_mbp | msgunfmt /usr/share/locales/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/osso-tutorial.mo |
| 11:50.50 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 11:50.56 | timeless_mbp | it's actually vaguely cool |
| 11:51.08 | timeless_mbp | s/Artist/String writer/ |
| 11:51.25 | RST38h | wazd: that is really a regular problem, not something to get upset over |
| 11:51.31 | timeless_mbp | anyway, file a bug, indicate it's a string error, attach the picture |
| 11:51.39 | zerojay | ok |
| 11:51.48 | RST38h | Can't bring anything in, can't send anything out |
| 11:52.07 | timeless_mbp | perhaps explain to someone how to use a calendar ... ? :) |
| 11:53.01 | SpeedEvil | Just ask Julian. |
| 11:53.09 | zerojay | I'll be extra assholish and add a screenshot from the calendar app and play that old Sesame Street song.. "one of these things is not like the other..." |
| 11:53.34 | zerojay | :) |
| 11:53.42 | timeless_mbp | wfm :) |
| 11:54.52 | Jaffa | crashanddie: The video? |
| 11:55.00 | Jaffa | s/video/screencast/ |
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| 11:55.13 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: wfm? |
| 11:55.15 | zerojay | oh. |
| 11:55.22 | timeless_mbp | worksforme :) |
| 11:55.25 | timeless_mbp | hunts food |
| 11:55.56 | zash | kill it and grill it! |
| 11:56.15 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you have a screencast? |
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| 11:56.35 | zash | timeless_mbp: Save the Planet, Eat Your Dog -- slashdot |
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| 12:04.11 | wazd | RST38h: I'm fine, don't need n900 anyway |
| 12:04.42 | anidel | wazd: you need it when you start using it ;) |
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| 12:05.32 | SpeedEvil | IIRC from openmoko that getting approval for a phone in russia was annoying |
| 12:05.38 | SpeedEvil | maybe that's part of the issue. |
| 12:05.43 | SpeedEvil | (I know, not ...) |
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| 12:07.23 | zerojay | timeless_mbp: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5796 |
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| 12:09.03 | anidel | how did you notice that ? |
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| 12:09.25 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Which presentation material do you want? ;-) |
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| 12:10.44 | crashanddie | Jaffa, just stuff to present Maemo (if you have anything that present the history, the OS, the community, the relationship with Nokia, future plans) |
| 12:11.23 | zerojay | anidel: Timeless noticed it. I just reported it for him. |
| 12:11.49 | zerojay | anidel: But after years of working QA, you learn how to look for things that could be wrong. |
| 12:12.44 | kurtan | hmm.. "According to Swedish nokia and a reseller (katshing.se) will the n900 be delayed to the end of 09 in sweden, seems like something is very wrong" |
| 12:12.45 | anidel | 0j: indeed |
| 12:12.47 | kurtan | really? :( |
| 12:12.57 | anidel | kurtan? where? |
| 12:13.04 | kurtan | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33313&page=17 |
| 12:13.20 | Stskeeps | kurtan: for 3 sweden to fix it with a sw update |
| 12:13.24 | hrw | morning |
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| 12:13.29 | kurtan | en swedish: http://www.minhembio.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240785&st=1380&p=2630195&#entry2630195 |
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| 12:13.32 | kurtan | in* |
| 12:13.58 | timeless | yep |
| 12:14.00 | anidel | I don't think a reseller and even swedish nokia know the final delivery date... |
| 12:14.01 | kurtan | Stskeeps: mkay, so 3 has problems so noone gets it ? |
| 12:14.11 | timeless | first rule of hunting bugs: read the strings |
| 12:14.18 | SpeedEvil | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.minhembio.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D240785%26st%3D1380%26p%3D2630195%26%23entry2630195&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 12:14.22 | Stskeeps | kurtan: noclue |
| 12:14.30 | kurtan | neither do I, but, come on.. yesterday they had v44 as date on shop.nokia.se :| |
| 12:14.37 | SpeedEvil | and yes - it's not implausibel that it'd be wrong |
| 12:14.39 | timeless | second rule: assume the authors can't string together words consistently |
| 12:14.56 | crashanddie | zerojay, there's quebec city's weather for ya: http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200910/err1/wtf_walpha_weather.gif |
| 12:15.13 | zerojay | crashanddie: lol |
| 12:15.17 | kurtan | lol |
| 12:15.44 | zerojay | crashanddie: I just got back from visiting Halifax. It went from -2 and torrential downpours to sunny and 20 in 4 hours. |
| 12:15.46 | crashanddie | good thing they didn't try scotland, that would probably have replied "42" |
| 12:16.04 | crashanddie | zerojay, dude, that's just your average london summer day |
| 12:16.22 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Ah, OK |
| 12:16.29 | anidel | zerojay: halifax is in nova scotia , right? |
| 12:16.31 | zerojay | That's pretty fucked. |
| 12:16.40 | zerojay | anidel: Yep, I was over there apartment hunting. |
| 12:16.42 | crashanddie | london is the only place on earth where the weather's mood can actually compete with the randomness of a woman's mind! |
| 12:17.16 | anidel | zerojay: cool, been there once (in nova scotia) driving around in sept '03 or '04 |
| 12:17.31 | anidel | crashanddie: go live in Baltimore and say it again |
| 12:17.39 | zerojay | Baltimore's terrible. |
| 12:17.51 | anidel | I know.. been there 3 years |
| 12:17.58 | zerojay | I was on the bus waiting for it to take off when I saw two muggings outside my window in 5 minutes. |
| 12:18.00 | crashanddie | anidel, is there any place you haven't been? |
| 12:18.03 | zerojay | 2! |
| 12:18.19 | anidel | crashanddie yes, Hell :) |
| 12:18.20 | RST38h | Don't go to Baltimore on the bus and you will be ok =) |
| 12:18.21 | crashanddie | and you didn't help? |
| 12:18.21 | derf | So, it was a quiet day? |
| 12:18.35 | anidel | zerojay: 2? when and where? I was at the Johns Hopkins |
| 12:18.48 | anidel | the campus in charles street, not the medical one |
| 12:18.48 | crashanddie | RST38h, thing is, when riding the bus, you can't get carjacked |
| 12:18.49 | zerojay | crashanddie: By the time I was off the bus to help, it was already over.. and then when I sat back down the second one happened. lol |
| 12:18.55 | RST38h | often wandered around Johns Hopkins |
| 12:19.07 | zerojay | anidel: I can't tell you. I was there visiting a friend in Glen Burnie at the time. |
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| 12:19.17 | zerojay | anidel: This was... 2005. |
| 12:19.25 | anidel | glen burnie... names that reminds me of the time spent in balto |
| 12:19.30 | RST38h | crash: I have never been carjacked in Baltimore, although the possibility of that crossed my mind more than once =) |
| 12:19.32 | anidel | 2005 is when I left :) |
| 12:19.35 | crashanddie | Johns Hopkins? Is that a metaphor for St Anthony? |
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| 12:19.43 | timeless | no |
| 12:19.53 | anidel | i was there 2001-2004 |
| 12:19.55 | timeless | it's a prestegious medical college |
| 12:20.06 | anidel | timeless: not only that :) |
| 12:20.16 | crashanddie | timeless, not that good on spelling though, are they? |
| 12:20.32 | anidel | timeless when I was there it was a prestigious CS dept as well :P ahah well they started the Security Institute |
| 12:20.39 | timeless | anidel: i went to umcp |
| 12:20.40 | zerojay | The airport in Glen Burnie's so close to the road that you practically can touch the landing gear of arriving planes from your car's sunroof. |
| 12:20.59 | timeless | we didn't care much about johns hopkins beyond med/math |
| 12:21.10 | timeless | iirc their math program was tops |
| 12:21.10 | jaska | mad/meth |
| 12:21.12 | RST38h | Is Glen Burnie a town? =) |
| 12:21.17 | timeless | yes |
| 12:21.18 | crashanddie | jaska++ |
| 12:21.30 | zerojay | RST38h: Suburb of Baltimore. |
| 12:21.32 | timeless | oh and CTY |
| 12:21.33 | RST38h | remembers Glen Burnie as a spot on the map |
| 12:21.44 | crashanddie | Glen Burnie sounds like the sheriff's dog in some town in Nebraska |
| 12:21.48 | RST38h | Not different from the surroundings really |
| 12:21.48 | timeless | that was more important really |
| 12:21.48 | anidel | I think they openened some mall around there... |
| 12:21.51 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Sent |
| 12:21.55 | crashanddie | Jaffa, ta |
| 12:22.13 | timeless | did you guys help w/ CTY? |
| 12:22.19 | RST38h | Last time I checked it was still a no-place covered with McDonaldses and malls |
| 12:22.20 | crashanddie | Jaffa, appreciate it, I saw the presentation, thanks |
| 12:22.35 | anidel | rst38h indeed |
| 12:22.54 | RST38h | Can't even get robbed there, I guess |
| 12:23.04 | timeless | oh, zerojay: can it's pm where you are, right? |
| 12:23.17 | timeless | Look at the clock in the status area |
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| 12:23.28 | zerojay | timeless: Wha? |
| 12:23.34 | timeless | does the third leg of the m look broken? |
| 12:23.46 | timeless | maybe too cramped? |
| 12:23.49 | zerojay | In that screenshot? Or on the phone? |
| 12:23.54 | timeless | now |
| 12:23.56 | timeless | live |
| 12:24.13 | zerojay | Yeah, the right side of m is short by one pixel. |
| 12:24.31 | timeless | please file a bug :) |
| 12:24.39 | zerojay | Same issue as that other font bug I filed... can't remember it though, but it was WNF'd. |
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| 12:25.27 | timeless | we should collect each of them anyway |
| 12:25.36 | timeless | just to have a record of annoyances |
| 12:25.46 | zerojay | Happen to remember offhand what the other problem in the font was? |
| 12:25.47 | hrw | uf. nokia replied to n900 discount reply |
| 12:25.51 | timeless | screwing up am/pm is pretty stupid |
| 12:26.14 | timeless | ~n comes to mind |
| 12:26.28 | zerojay | That's the one. |
| 12:26.37 | anidel | hrw: replied to you? |
| 12:26.44 | hrw | anidel: replied |
| 12:26.45 | timeless | different side of the letter though :) |
| 12:27.11 | zerojay | Yeah, that one was the far right side. |
| 12:28.14 | zerojay | Yeah, the real issue here is that the space between the middle and right legs of the m is only two pixels wide instead of three like the other side. |
| 12:28.47 | zerojay | Also, no anti-aliasing on it for some reason. |
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| 12:29.30 | zerojay | timeless: That is what you're talking about, right? |
| 12:30.02 | timeless | yep |
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| 12:31.43 | zerojay | I'm sure someone in .fi is going to see this bug and yell out "wtf?!" |
| 12:32.06 | zerojay | "These people are crazy seeing 1 missing pixel on a screen that dense!" |
| 12:32.26 | zerojay | You know... if Finns had emotions. |
| 12:33.38 | zerojay | ponders the existence of emos in Finland. |
| 12:33.50 | anidel | eheheh |
| 12:34.04 | hrw | Thank you, now we can find your account and have enabled you the N900. |
| 12:34.05 | hrw | We will email you once the device is available in the service and you can then fill in the order request. |
| 12:34.08 | hrw | yes;D |
| 12:34.23 | anidel | but this missing pixel is on the swf or on the PM in the clock? |
| 12:34.42 | anidel | would that mean all the M miss it? or is just a particular combination of the position of the PM? |
| 12:35.05 | anidel | hrw :) cool |
| 12:36.15 | zerojay | anidel: The pm in the clock. |
| 12:36.20 | zerojay | am too. |
| 12:36.28 | anidel | I use 24hr.. let me see |
| 12:37.07 | zerojay | I remember once filing a bug on one of our cell phone games because one pixel was always blue. Turns out it was just a problem with the screen. lol |
| 12:37.17 | anidel | ahah |
| 12:37.39 | anidel | the clock in the toolbar |
| 12:37.46 | anidel | ? |
| 12:37.48 | zerojay | yeah. |
| 12:39.00 | anidel | i can see the third leg closer to the middle one.. can't seem to notice the missing pixel.. I should take a screenshot and zoom |
| 12:39.20 | RST38h | Just use 24-hour mode |
| 12:39.26 | zerojay | lol |
| 12:39.50 | anidel | uhm.. the eight seems fine |
| 12:39.50 | zerojay | anidel: The area between the second and third legs uses two pixels instead of three. |
| 12:40.06 | anidel | 0j: yep noticed that.. |
| 12:40.08 | zerojay | When I post the bug, you'll see. |
| 12:40.17 | anidel | that's the missing pixel, ok |
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| 12:41.23 | anidel | it seems to happen only in the toolbar |
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| 12:42.01 | anidel | if you go to alarm clock, the am pm there use the same font and size (looks like) and am is fine |
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| 12:42.47 | anidel | and pm is showing the three pixel distance between all the legs... |
| 12:42.58 | anidel | weird it happens only there. |
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| 12:43.32 | RST38h | Fix it in Harmattan! |
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| 12:44.35 | zerojay | RST38h: I was already told it won't be. |
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| 12:45.01 | RST38h | zerojay: Fully expected |
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| 12:46.15 | zerojay | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5798 |
| 12:46.56 | zerojay | https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1506 |
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| 12:46.56 | zerojay | RST38h: Something about where the font comes from or something. |
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| 12:47.49 | timeless_mbp | zerojay: thanks |
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| 12:48.11 | _berto_ | geocities is dead -> http://xkcd.com/ :D |
| 12:48.11 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i spoke to someone |
| 12:48.15 | mikkov__ | qwerty12: interesting, it didn't work before :) Anyway you don't need to use osso_hw_set_display_event_cb() anymore, because now is-on-current-desktop property changes also when screen blanks |
| 12:48.20 | timeless_mbp | it sounds like the fix for font bugs is to disown nokia |
| 12:48.23 | timeless_mbp | i've been in favor of that for year |
| 12:48.24 | timeless_mbp | s |
| 12:48.30 | timeless_mbp | sadly, i don't think that'll happen |
| 12:49.39 | fiferboy | X-Fade: ping? |
| 12:49.46 | X-Fade | fiferboy: here |
| 12:50.12 | fiferboy | X-Fade: I have a new package in extras-testing, but it doesn't show up in the QA package page... |
| 12:50.30 | anidel | decides it's time for lunch |
| 12:50.45 | X-Fade | fiferboy: How long ago did you promote it? |
| 12:51.03 | fiferboy | Initially, on Thursday or Friday |
| 12:51.32 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Hmm should not take more than 1 hour. |
| 12:51.52 | X-Fade | fiferboy: which package? |
| 12:51.56 | fiferboy | X-Fade: That's what I thought. |
| 12:52.01 | fiferboy | X-Fade: personal-photo-frame |
| 12:52.57 | X-Fade | fiferboy: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/personal-photo-frame/0.2-4/ |
| 12:53.00 | X-Fade | fiferboy: That one? |
| 12:53.09 | GeceBekcisi | wow, way crowded than I thought.. |
| 12:53.14 | RST38h | fiferboy: Any chances for a huge shaped alcohol thermometer showing the OMAP temperature? ;) |
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| 12:53.22 | kkito | hello |
| 12:53.36 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Yes, it shows up there. But not here: http://maemo.org/packages/repository/qa/fremantle_extras-testing/ |
| 12:53.55 | fiferboy | RST38h: :D |
| 12:54.01 | fiferboy | RST38h: I'll put it in the queue |
| 12:54.11 | kkito | do you know if it is possible to run opengl-es2 apps in scratchbox (X86 or ARMEL) ? |
| 12:54.36 | X-Fade | fiferboy: It seems the package doesn't have a section.. |
| 12:54.39 | X-Fade | fiferboy: but that should not hide it. |
| 12:54.53 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Will try to find out what happened. |
| 12:54.59 | fiferboy | X-Fade: I was just going to check the packaging on it |
| 12:56.02 | zerojay | fiferboy: Oops, sorry. |
| 12:56.14 | fiferboy | zerojay: ? |
| 12:56.17 | zerojay | plugs the builder machine back in. |
| 12:56.56 | RST38h | fiferboy: (and a brass manometer for the CPU load =)] |
| 12:57.22 | fiferboy | RST38h: I'm not even sure what a manometer is... |
| 12:57.38 | RST38h | fiferboy: pressure gauge |
| 12:57.50 | fiferboy | RST38h: Ah |
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| 12:58.25 | zerojay | thought it might be a boner meter. |
| 12:58.38 | RST38h | fiferboy: http://www.acclaimimages.com/_gallery/_images_n300/0024-0412-0522-3944_antique_pressure_gauge.jpg |
| 12:58.46 | fiferboy | X-Fade: In my control file it has "Section: user/desktop" |
| 12:58.48 | RST38h | fiferboy: I guess it is...in a way |
| 12:59.02 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Ok, will check that too. |
| 12:59.34 | fiferboy | X-Fade: It is in the "Source" portion, not the "Package" - is that correct? |
| 13:01.18 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Source portion is where it should be. |
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| 13:03.18 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Most packages have section right after source line. |
| 13:03.44 | fiferboy | X-Fade: I can change that, but it is like that in my three other packages too |
| 13:03.55 | X-Fade | fiferboy: yeah, should not matter. |
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| 13:35.32 | qwerty12_N810 | mikkov_: Ah, awesome, thanks :) |
| 13:37.59 | saltsa_ | how long the battery powers the n900 without charging? |
| 13:40.13 | Mek | until it is empty |
| 13:41.15 | ccooke | saltsa_: Depends on usage. Although it seems pretty okay right this minute. Mine's been running on battery since about 8am (5h40m ago) with light use (maybe 30 minutes of that time). The battery is only a sliver below full. |
| 13:43.08 | lbt | on the pre-production one I have I've been listening to music for a couple of hours+, made 3 shortish calls, made a few notes, checked tasks.... about 90% full since going off charge 6hrs ago |
| 13:43.48 | mgedmin | I used my n900 as a wireless acccess point sharing its 3g connection |
| 13:43.54 | mgedmin | battery went from full to zero in about two hours |
| 13:44.33 | ccooke | mgedmin: That figures :-) |
| 13:44.51 | lbt | heh, good point.. I'm not "connected" |
| 13:44.53 | ccooke | Running multiple radios is going to eat battery |
| 13:44.54 | X-Fade | mgedmin: That sounds very low. |
| 13:45.16 | mgedmin | that's what I thought too |
| 13:45.29 | X-Fade | Although I guess your wifi doesn't do PSM then. |
| 13:45.35 | sulx | 3g and wlan at full throttle...takes quite power |
| 13:45.41 | mgedmin | ad-hoc wifi == no PSM possible |
| 13:45.47 | ccooke | that'll do it. |
| 13:45.54 | saltsa_ | ccooke, okey, I heard that it can only manage about two hours or something when used actively... |
| 13:46.05 | ccooke | in that case, two hours is about right. |
| 13:46.21 | ccooke | saltsa_: depends on your definition of active. |
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| 13:46.43 | kkito | do you know if is it possible to run opengl-es2 apps in scratchbox (X86 or ARMEL) ? |
| 13:47.08 | ccooke | yes, I'm certain there *are* things that'll drain you in two hours - mgedmin's just demonstrated one. But that is a pretty extreme thing to do, and was without power saving. |
| 13:47.15 | lardman | hmm, am getting segfault in Gstreamer xvimagesink code |
| 13:47.41 | ccooke | but I've been getting around 20-24 hours of moderate to light use the last week or so. |
| 13:49.06 | X-Fade | I charge once a day, manages to last whole day without problems. |
| 13:49.21 | lardman | anyone know if the data I get passed in a buffer probe callback is the actual data, or if it's a copy? |
| 13:49.46 | ccooke | ditto. |
| 13:50.29 | ccooke | and it's certainly lasted the one day last week when I only charged it overnight, and didnt' go to bed for 21 hours. |
| 13:50.39 | X-Fade | But whenever I get a device, the first week it doesn't manage to reach the end of the day ;) |
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| 13:51.16 | X-Fade | Just because you play with it a lot more. |
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| 13:52.31 | saltsa_ | okey, how long it will stay online when it's in standby/idling in gsm/umts network |
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| 13:52.43 | X-Fade | saltsa_: days |
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| 13:52.56 | saltsa_ | or what's the talk time on gsm or umts network? iPohne had some 10h in gsm and 5h in umts |
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| 13:53.18 | X-Fade | saltsa_: check maemo.nokia.com, it is all there. |
| 13:55.52 | Milo- | tekojo hello |
| 13:56.25 | tekojo | hello Milo- |
| 13:56.56 | Milo- | I'm one of the students you discussed two weeks ago in Metropolia University |
| 13:57.05 | tekojo | Hi! |
| 13:58.23 | Milo- | at least one of the qt applications I had written before compiled nicely on maemo5-sdk :) |
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| 14:00.05 | Milo- | nokia has hidden the release date of n900 very carefully from the public, rumour was that it would be out this week |
| 14:00.14 | Milo- | hopefully it's true :D |
| 14:00.35 | mgedmin | last news from nokia said "november" |
| 14:01.02 | Milo- | Last news I saw was 'week 44', but that was two weeks ago |
| 14:01.22 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 14:01.29 | tekojo | Milo- good to hear, but you know we don't talk of dates :-) |
| 14:01.44 | Milo- | unfortunatelly yes :P |
| 14:01.50 | Milo- | it's always with software projects |
| 14:02.31 | timeless_mbp | so... i need someone who's willing to poke some perl for a bit |
| 14:03.26 | Milo- | tekojo I liked the tone of your voice when you said "emacs", are you a Vim user? |
| 14:03.46 | Shapeshifter | man... the keyboard on the n900 looks incredibly small |
| 14:03.46 | tekojo | both :-) |
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| 14:04.09 | Shapeshifter | the whole device looks small. Or this guy has a huge hand http://www.allaboutmaemo.com/gallery/item/Nokia_N900.php?phid=4035783124&page=1 |
| 14:04.21 | Milo- | Shapeshifter the whole device is small |
| 14:04.27 | Milo- | it's the size of e71 |
| 14:04.37 | Shapeshifter | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4035783124_250fbaa721_o.jpg rather |
| 14:05.35 | Milo- | that hand looks rather weird. |
| 14:05.38 | timeless_mbp | Shapeshifter: i'd say that his pinky is on the wide side of things |
| 14:05.51 | mgedmin | photoshopped! |
| 14:06.02 | timeless_mbp | but otherwise, it's fairly close |
| 14:06.10 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: a coworker was just reviewing photoshop disasters |
| 14:06.18 | pupnik | reading smartphone forums - another planet |
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| 14:06.29 | Shapeshifter | I sure hope I can even use the keyboard... |
| 14:06.30 | mgedmin | http://xkcd.com/331/ |
| 14:06.31 | Milo- | that guy is missing three fingers. |
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| 14:06.35 | Flandry | question about uploading to extras: |
| 14:06.53 | Flandry | which .changes file do i use--armel or x86? |
| 14:06.54 | X-Fade | is all ears ;) |
| 14:06.56 | Milo- | but placing my e71 like that on my hand creates roughly the same picture. |
| 14:07.03 | mgedmin | Flandry: both, but especially armel |
| 14:07.07 | X-Fade | Flandry: The source one. |
| 14:07.32 | mgedmin | Flandry: don't listen to me |
| 14:07.40 | Milo- | oh btw, is the kernel of maemo5 32 or 64bit? |
| 14:07.41 | X-Fade | Flandry: You don't upload binaries, you upload source packages. |
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| 14:07.49 | Flandry | the source one... |
| 14:07.50 | Flandry | hmm |
| 14:08.05 | X-Fade | Flandry: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
| 14:08.51 | Flandry | yeah i'm on that wiki page |
| 14:08.55 | X-Fade | Flandry: Check the Debian tooling part. |
| 14:09.16 | X-Fade | Flandry: Basically `dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S -i |
| 14:09.17 | Flandry | i take it the defaults of dpkg-buildpackage aren't going to work |
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| 14:09.33 | Flandry | and i blew away the sdk and scratchbox because it was fubor |
| 14:09.40 | X-Fade | Flandry: No, that builds the binary package. |
| 14:09.52 | Flandry | k |
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| 14:10.14 | Milo- | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2798/4035005871_37d68bd45a_o.jpg uhh, a nokia coffee-stirrer. |
| 14:10.40 | Stskeeps | nokia candies are good too |
| 14:10.59 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Found the missing section bug, fixed it locally. |
| 14:11.16 | Flandry | shoot i need to cancel the autobuild request |
| 14:11.18 | fiferboy | X-Fade: :) So it wasn't me? (or was it?) |
| 14:11.40 | X-Fade | fiferboy: no, it was me. |
| 14:11.56 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Algo was to dumb ;) |
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| 14:12.03 | X-Fade | *too |
| 14:12.43 | X-Fade | Flandry: It will fail pretty quickly, if you did something wrong. |
| 14:12.55 | X-Fade | Flandry: Don't worry. |
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| 14:21.23 | fiferboy | Is there any documentation on using tracker? |
| 14:21.31 | fiferboy | The API docs leave a lot to be explained |
| 14:23.43 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Your app now shows in the QA queue. |
| 14:24.01 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Thank you very much! |
| 14:24.11 | X-Fade | fiferboy: QA queue filters on user/* section apps, guess what happened when yours was empty ;) |
| 14:24.23 | fiferboy | Now to figure out why the icon doesn't show. You said that was a separate process, right? |
| 14:24.45 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Do you know why mine was showing empty? It is in the control file... |
| 14:24.46 | X-Fade | Yeah, takes a while after my import. |
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| 14:25.19 | X-Fade | fiferboy: Yeah, I had a logic bug in there. Order of items was different. |
| 14:25.46 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks for fixing that up. Sorry to make more work for you! |
| 14:26.05 | X-Fade | fiferboy: No problem, I guess this fixed something for other apps too. |
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| 14:26.29 | riddlebox | does anyone use maemo-mapper? |
| 14:30.50 | fatal^ | yes |
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| 14:31.30 | riddlebox | fatal^, I have saved a track(as txt) and it will not upload, I have done this before and it worked |
| 14:31.34 | anidel | back |
| 14:33.04 | anidel | if someone votes thumbs up for your application, but leave a comment with a good suggestion on how to fix a non show-stopper issue.. what would you do? wait for the app to get released to Extras and then push an update? or push an update now losing all the thumbs up? |
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| 14:33.53 | RST38h | anidel: I would push an updates. At the moment, I have given up on trying to get my apps into Extras |
| 14:33.55 | anidel | actually.. if my app is in Extras and I release an update.. will the update go straight to extras, or will it go thru all the testing process again? |
| 14:34.00 | RST38h | s/updates/update/ |
| 14:34.15 | RST38h | anidel: No, it will have to stay in Testing and collect 10 votes again |
| 14:34.20 | X-Fade | anidel: Will go through testing again. |
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| 14:34.35 | anidel | okay so it's better to push the update now |
| 14:34.49 | anidel | unless one really wants to push his app to extras now :) |
| 14:35.06 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: so, sorry for asking you to spend so much effort on that |
| 14:35.07 | RST38h | anidel: I would say not "better", but irrelevant |
| 14:35.14 | mgedmin | what? |
| 14:35.25 | mgedmin | did I miss something? |
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| 14:35.54 | mgedmin | timeless_mbp: this is coming a bit out of the blue for me now, context, please? |
| 14:35.55 | anidel | rst38h not really.. pushing the update means people would have to retest it again.. and in this case is just a hildon banner appearing .. nothing new |
| 14:36.17 | anidel | marius, it depends what you're talking about :) |
| 14:36.31 | RST38h | anidel: No, what I mean is that having an app in Fremantle Extras is irrelevant |
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| 14:36.42 | mgedmin | I'm talking about "<timeless_mbp> mgedmin: so, sorry for asking you to spend so much effort on that" |
| 14:36.48 | timeless_mbp | remember the pl=> py conversion |
| 14:36.53 | mgedmin | yep |
| 14:36.55 | RST38h | anidel: It is almost empty, all the apps are in Extras-Testing |
| 14:36.57 | timeless_mbp | i got my script happy enough using pl |
| 14:36.58 | mgedmin | decided to stick with perl? |
| 14:37.02 | mgedmin | okay |
| 14:37.07 | timeless_mbp | and given the fact that pulling in python would be expensive |
| 14:37.08 | mgedmin | means I won't have to maintain the py version :-) |
| 14:37.12 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 14:37.13 | RST38h | anidel: And Extras is more like an official Nokia showcase, empty and gathering dust |
| 14:37.18 | anidel | rst38h so it'd be one of the first :P I don't care , but there may be who cares... |
| 14:37.39 | RST38h | anidel: What is your app? |
| 14:37.47 | anidel | rst38h: Xournal |
| 14:38.31 | anidel | used to take notes on the tablets even on PDFs |
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| 14:38.51 | RST38h | anidel: You have exactly 1 vote for Xournal. And that vote is mine :) |
| 14:39.04 | anidel | no, there were three few minutes ago :) |
| 14:39.04 | RST38h | anidel: So, I would screw it and upload a new package :) |
| 14:39.14 | RST38h | reloading |
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| 14:39.21 | anidel | marat, andre and mattia |
| 14:39.40 | andre__ | yes, i did vote :) |
| 14:39.41 | RST38h | Xournal |
| 14:39.41 | RST38h | 0.4.2.1-1fremantle13 |
| 14:39.43 | anidel | still.. few votes :) .. I'll update xournal tonight.. but was wondering |
| 14:39.43 | RST38h | Karma: 1 |
| 14:40.00 | RST38h | anidel: Before you update it though, could you consider my comment? |
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| 14:40.04 | anidel | refresh again: 3 out of 10 |
| 14:40.14 | RST38h | curses proxies |
| 14:40.36 | anidel | that's all about your comment :) |
| 14:40.43 | anidel | if you're Marat |
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| 14:41.05 | RST38h | Oh...I do not think a simple banner will be sufficient though |
| 14:41.29 | RST38h | The banner will show up and disappear, but Xournal will continue using up 100% CPU for minutes |
| 14:41.52 | anidel | did you try to open your PDF with the PDF Viewer? |
| 14:41.57 | RST38h | Yea |
| 14:42.00 | anidel | is it any faster or lighter in opening it up? |
| 14:42.09 | RST38h | It is way lighter |
| 14:42.18 | anidel | wonder what are they using... |
| 14:42.25 | RST38h | Actually the PDF I have opened is the GPL license shipped with the device :) |
| 14:42.26 | anidel | need to check their dependencies.. |
| 14:42.37 | anidel | wow.. I used to open bigger PDFs |
| 14:42.52 | anidel | let me try that.. where is it located? |
| 14:42.53 | RST38h | Try opening it - Xournal will show the opening page right away, but it will then continue using CPU |
| 14:43.43 | mgedmin | MyDocs/.documents/maemo_software_copyright.pdf ? |
| 14:43.43 | RST38h | Documents/maemo_software_copyright.pdf |
| 14:43.57 | RST38h | anidel: I have one more bug to report, this one much more clearcut |
| 14:44.26 | anidel | uhm... |
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| 14:45.01 | anidel | can't reproduce it |
| 14:45.17 | RST38h | anidel: Ok, let me tell you of the second bug and I will try to reproduce the pdf bug later |
| 14:45.34 | anidel | actually I need to bring in Go To next / prev pages |
| 14:45.39 | RST38h | 1) Start Xournal 2) Make sure Pencil is selected |
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| 14:46.28 | anidel | ok |
| 14:46.43 | RST38h | 3) Select the ruler 4) Select the marker |
| 14:46.52 | anidel | ok |
| 14:46.55 | anidel | uhm |
| 14:47.00 | anidel | seen it |
| 14:47.06 | RST38h | 5) Try drawing, rule does not work 6) Select ruler again 7) Try drawing, ruler will work although its icon is off |
| 14:47.25 | RST38h | Similar problem occurs with ruler/hand |
| 14:47.34 | anidel | think I know where this stems for.. nice finding |
| 14:48.00 | anidel | so will definitely push a new update later |
| 14:48.07 | RST38h | looks like pencil and marker have separate ruler settings or something |
| 14:48.13 | Macer | so |
| 14:48.15 | anidel | anyway.. tried to open that PDF but load average is very low to me |
| 14:48.18 | Macer | n900 going to be out for christmas? :) |
| 14:48.25 | mgedmin | Macer: we hope |
| 14:48.27 | RST38h | anidel: I will work on recreatig it later today |
| 14:48.40 | Macer | mgedmin: i wouldn't get one until after christmas anyways |
| 14:48.46 | Macer | christmas season is the time for price gouging |
| 14:48.56 | timeless_mbp | ok... |
| 14:49.02 | Macer | i made the mistake last year of going to the mall on christmas eve :) |
| 14:49.03 | timeless_mbp | anyone here want to be a guinea pig? :) |
| 14:49.12 | anidel | rst38h: thanks.. I'll try different PDFs , will put the opening banner to let people know what is doing.. and may be lower the 'nice' while loading the PDF..I'm using libpoppler, don't have much control on it |
| 14:49.14 | Macer | i just wanted to grab a couple more things.. it was anarchy |
| 14:49.14 | RST38h | anidel: Out of personal preference, can I ask you to return the gridded paper and maybe even yellowish aged paper? =) |
| 14:49.26 | RST38h | anidel: These were present in the old version =) |
| 14:49.50 | pupnik | those can help eyes hold focus |
| 14:49.54 | Macer | the mall is right outside chicago and they had actual police officers at the mall haha |
| 14:49.55 | pupnik | and scan text |
| 14:50.01 | anidel | rst38h: unfortunately this is a lighter version of Xournal, all the tools are there in the code, there's no way to call them.. I had to remove all the menus and need to bring in a new UI |
| 14:50.13 | Macer | because security guards would have been run over or killed |
| 14:50.25 | anidel | I'm designing it and it'll take sometime to make it |
| 14:50.30 | RST38h | anidel: Oh |
| 14:50.38 | RST38h | anidel: Bring it on! =) |
| 14:50.39 | anidel | so I'm pushing a lighter version now and an update later |
| 14:50.50 | RST38h | anidel: Ok I can recreate the pdf bug now |
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| 14:50.57 | pupnik | otoh, word procs and terminals generally dont use textured bgs either |
| 14:51.02 | RST38h | anidel: Do you hasvae the CPU load indicator installer? |
| 14:51.06 | RST38h | installed |
| 14:51.14 | anidel | using top to monitor |
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| 14:51.45 | RST38h | Ok |
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| 14:52.19 | RST38h | 1) Start Xournal 2) Opem maemo_software_copyright |
| 14:52.38 | RST38h | 3) Watch top (or CPU Load) - it stays at 100% |
| 14:53.06 | RST38h | HTOP shows pdftoppm eating 100% CPU |
| 14:53.24 | anidel | weird, not on mine |
| 14:53.33 | anidel | it's fast and tops 74% for a few secs |
| 14:53.48 | RST38h | Still stays at 100% here |
| 14:54.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: Not swapping something out? |
| 14:54.22 | anidel | uhm which version do you have? |
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| 14:56.31 | anidel | no you're right... pdftoppm has spikes.. |
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| 14:58.25 | anidel | let me see if it happens with other pdfs |
| 14:58.44 | RST38h | pdftoppm version 3.00 |
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| 14:59.14 | anidel | same |
| 14:59.23 | RST38h | does notspikeforme,stays at 100% instead |
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| 14:59.48 | mgedmin | md5sum the pdf file? |
| 14:59.55 | mgedmin | see you're running the same things? |
| 15:00.00 | RST38h | and the image is already shown and I can edit it in xournal |
| 15:00.06 | RST38h | a mooment |
| 15:01.11 | anidel | i'll have a look at it though |
| 15:02.03 | anidel | thanks :) |
| 15:02.29 | RST38h | I have got the md5sum |
| 15:02.34 | RST38h | a moment |
| 15:03.18 | anidel | 2ac7b8fbb.... |
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| 15:03.33 | RST38h | 552eba4a22c4ed719b02c56c8ada0129 |
| 15:04.28 | RST38h | 322963@bytes |
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| 15:05.06 | mgedmin | interesting, isn't it? |
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| 15:05.18 | RST38h | notice that my mmc image is a bit older |
| 15:05.27 | RST38h | it is pre 41-10 |
| 15:10.01 | Flandry | does the host system for the SDK need anything beyond an X-client/server setup? Gnome stuff? |
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| 15:10.46 | TomaszD | hello, does anyone know if/when the official maemo summit 2009 video recordings will be available? |
| 15:10.50 | mihu | It seems I nuked the N900 I received at the Summit. I was playing around with the internals, especially with the gstreamer based multimedia subsystem. Apparently I have damaged the playbin2 of gstreamer. Now when the phone starts up, it hangs when it usually displays the intro video. |
| 15:10.51 | mihu | I just see the "dot bar". The video does not play and the boot does not continue. Any ideas? There is no network connectivity yet, so I cannot SSH into it yet. |
| 15:11.27 | Flandry | d'oh |
| 15:11.27 | TomaszD | ugh, wait for the official firmware release and flash it then... |
| 15:11.37 | mihu | TomaszD: When will that be? |
| 15:11.53 | TomaszD | mihu, as soon as the n900 is commercially available I believe |
| 15:11.58 | TomaszD | or in a few days after that |
| 15:12.11 | TomaszD | but when that happens... I'm not willing to speculate |
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| 15:12.27 | TomaszD | I'm just trying not to mess with it too much, as this is now my only phone |
| 15:12.36 | pupnik | bad call bro |
| 15:12.40 | TomaszD | when the firmware comes out however... :) |
| 15:12.43 | pupnik | testing phone |
| 15:13.33 | pupnik | but xferring sim is no problem right? |
| 15:14.17 | TomaszD | incidentally, I discovered a pretty annoying bug yesterday, if anyone can confirm https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5805 |
| 15:14.26 | mgedmin | mihu: try asking qgil for help? |
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| 15:14.42 | mihu | I mean, it's alive, but it just won't go past the intro video. If some Nokia official (or contractor) is on this channel and can help me out, please give me a private message. |
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| 15:15.14 | mihu | mgedmin: I think somebody already asked on the Maemo forum and the answer was like please wait for the official release. |
| 15:15.31 | AndrewFBlack | anyone know if thre are any unit conversion applications for Diablo/Fremantle |
| 15:15.51 | Flandry | seems like there should be a way to bypass the fancy boot stuff |
| 15:15.56 | mgedmin | but was it a question like "can we have a new firmware image for fun", or "halp, I bricked my n900, halp"? |
| 15:16.12 | mgedmin | AndrewFBlack: yes, it's called the Google widget |
| 15:16.40 | mihu | Flandry: Hopefully. |
| 15:16.52 | Flandry | i mean, if most linux systems had to play a video before access to a console, imagine the chaos |
| 15:16.59 | mihu | mgedmin: I don't remember, I'm trying to find that out. |
| 15:17.40 | X-Fade | mihu: It was somebody who did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:17.40 | X-Fade | And killed his device that way. |
| 15:17.40 | TomaszD | yeah I know at least one person who did that during the summit |
| 15:17.43 | TomaszD | but Nokians reflashed it on the spot |
| 15:17.45 | mgedmin | /etc/X11/Xsession.post/04hildon-welcome-wait does "while pidof hildon-welcome; do sleep 1; done" |
| 15:18.11 | mgedmin | I think that's the bit that's waiting for the video to stop playing |
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| 15:18.20 | anidel | rst could you send me your gpl pdf file? |
| 15:18.26 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Do you or ferenc know of a problem with www from git? (see timsamoff's email to -developers) |
| 15:18.27 | anidel | rst38h |
| 15:18.43 | AndrewFBlack | mgedmin, google doesn' have conversion I need to do |
| 15:18.43 | Macer | why is java such a memory whore |
| 15:18.45 | X-Fade | Jaffa: He did some changes today. |
| 15:19.02 | mgedmin | AndrewFBlack: wolfram alpha? |
| 15:19.11 | Flandry | got an extra layer between you and the hardware |
| 15:19.18 | fiferboy | X-Fade: I had to have my phone reflashed at the summit because of dist-upgrade :( |
| 15:19.46 | RST38h | anidel: yes? |
| 15:19.51 | fiferboy | TomaszD: Did you have to get a new sim card? Or does your phone recongnize your old one now? |
| 15:19.51 | TomaszD | fiferboy, yeah I was talking about you actually :) |
| 15:20.04 | TomaszD | fiferboy, hush hush. Everything is OK now. |
| 15:20.08 | anidel | rst38h if you could send me that pdf .. looks like it's different |
| 15:20.13 | fiferboy | TomaszD: :) |
| 15:20.53 | AndrewFBlack | mgedmin, I am somewhat impressed that any website like that does TBq to MBq conversions but I'm really looking for an appliation so I an stop using Spreadsheet to do it. |
| 15:21.12 | Macer | just shutting down zimbra totaly whores the 512M i gave it. i guess i'll have to give it around 2-4 |
| 15:22.15 | RST38h | anidel: Understood, I will in a second. |
| 15:22.25 | anidel | thanks :) |
| 15:24.06 | pupnik | what is easy personal planning / calendar / project mgmt software |
| 15:24.18 | RST38h | anidel: what is your email address? |
| 15:27.06 | ccooke | considers some openvpn and routing fun to give his n900 a permanent public IP |
| 15:27.35 | mihu | mgedmin: When I connect this dead device via USB, then I it mounts the vfat portion just fine. Hm, is there a key that I can press during bootup that will skip thas media foo? There is no way to get access to the internal memory (/etc/ and stuff) isn't ità |
| 15:27.56 | mihu | I mean it is not dead. It boots up, asks for the PIN of my SIM card but then stops at the video. |
| 15:27.57 | ccooke | Drat, openvpn isn't installable yet. Depends on the (missing) liblzo2-2 package. |
| 15:28.02 | RST38h | anidel: sent |
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| 15:28.20 | mgedmin | mihu: I dunno :/ |
| 15:28.45 | mgedmin | mihu: could you try usb networking? |
| 15:28.57 | mgedmin | does the n900 automatically start a dhcp client on usb0/ |
| 15:29.05 | mgedmin | or does it require manual configuration? |
| 15:29.24 | anidel | thanks :D |
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| 15:29.36 | X-Fade | ccooke: That should be on your device by default? |
| 15:30.19 | mihu | mgedmin: What do I need to do so that the N900 starts up with USB networking? |
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| 15:30.41 | mihu | mgedmin: I just need access to /, then I can fix the problem. |
| 15:30.52 | anidel | mihu: well choose PC Suite mode...but. .in your case :) |
| 15:31.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: And are these changes likely to have caused problems or solved them? Does Ferenc follow -developers? |
| 15:31.23 | mgedmin | btw it's kinda interesting -- you said it mounts vfat, but does it pop up the "charge only/pc suite/usb mass storage" dialog? |
| 15:31.31 | ccooke | X-Fade: apt-cache search liblzo finds... nothing |
| 15:31.52 | mgedmin | lack of liblzo is why I can't install the crash reporter |
| 15:32.11 | X-Fade | ccooke: Hmm weird, indeed. This is weird as it is supposed to be on the rootfs. |
| 15:32.26 | mihu | anidel: It does not show the selection screen. I pressed "Sym Ctrl" and "Shift" key while bootup then it will expose the card immediately after turning the device on. |
| 15:33.24 | X-Fade | You can see it being indexed in the snapshot of the rootsf I have: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_root_pr_armel/liblzo2-2/2.03-1maemo3/ |
| 15:33.25 | anidel | mihu: you can't flash it , can you |
| 15:33.25 | anidel | ? |
| 15:33.25 | mgedmin | not without an image :( |
| 15:33.26 | mihu | anidel: If I get the flasher app and an image? |
| 15:33.31 | anidel | ah, right.. |
| 15:33.42 | anidel | flasher should be available |
| 15:34.05 | anidel | you can ask on maemo-developers, may be some nokians will be able to help you out individually |
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| 15:34.39 | mgedmin | is afraid the help is likely to be "if you drop by our office in .fi, we'll flash it" |
| 15:35.05 | mgedmin | there was some talk during the summit about putting the image on the web in a couple of days |
| 15:35.07 | mihu | mgedmin: When I plug in the cable at the "Enter PIN code" dialog, then that "Usb connection dialog" is not popping up. I can just make it mount via the sym-ctrl/shift key hack. |
| 15:35.10 | mgedmin | I guess that fell through |
| 15:35.25 | mgedmin | didn't even know about the ctrl+shift key hack |
| 15:35.34 | anidel | mihu: did you try without a sim and without a minisd? |
| 15:35.48 | Jaffa | Anyone know if there's a more betterer list than https://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories#New_list_for_Diablo |
| 15:36.31 | Jaffa | Or shall I create one? |
| 15:36.32 | mihu | anidel: That should not make a difference. I know that I damaged a file in the gstreamer installation. And I made a copy. So if I get access to the root file system somehow, I can swap it in back. |
| 15:36.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That one is used for fremantle too. |
| 15:36.34 | lardman | as long as it's the most bestest one possible |
| 15:36.35 | mgedmin | Jaffa: there was a list for fremantle somewhere in the developer guide pages |
| 15:37.23 | mgedmin | seriously, mihu, ask on the list |
| 15:37.53 | mgedmin | I cannot imagine nokia encouraging their developers to spend time on irc when they're obviously working overtime to get the software out |
| 15:38.08 | Jaffa | Aha http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging%2C_Deploying_and_Distributing#Sections |
| 15:38.12 | Jaffa | Perfect. |
| 15:38.28 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I know, and I'm trying to tell Forum Nokia but didn't want to link to a page containing 'Diablo' |
| 15:38.41 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Hehe, indeed |
| 15:39.30 | mihu | mgedmin: 8-) |
| 15:39.38 | Jaffa | Bingo: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Talk:Qt_for_Maemo_Developers_Guide |
| 15:39.42 | lardman | anyone know if I can interchange gst_bin_new and gst_pipeline_new? |
| 15:39.47 | Jaffa | And I can copy & paste from one MediaWiki instance to another :) |
| 15:40.21 | pupnik | i want url hilighting with widened clickable boundaries for xterm |
| 15:40.36 | pupnik | great idea, eh |
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| 15:40.58 | zash | pupnik: doubleclick, magick keycombo -> open url |
| 15:41.07 | pupnik | thumb-hittable links from screen + irssi |
| 15:41.10 | zash | aka, port gnome-do to maemo! |
| 15:41.31 | pupnik | ? |
| 15:41.53 | pupnik | zash: the double click dunna werk |
| 15:42.24 | zash | usualy selects whole words in xterm |
| 15:42.34 | zash | duno how maemo treats it there |
| 15:43.31 | pupnik | i failed to communicate the problem |
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| 15:44.00 | pupnik | it is mostly in selecting urls in xterm |
| 15:44.16 | pupnik | the launch function is doable now iirc |
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| 15:46.00 | pupnik | other options might be a recent urls dropdown menu |
| 15:46.39 | pupnik | any thoughts? |
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| 15:47.07 | pupnik | how yould you prefer to activate links from terminal? |
| 15:47.08 | mgedmin | recent urls? in xterm? |
| 15:47.13 | pupnik | yes |
| 15:47.32 | pupnik | y not :) |
| 15:47.34 | mgedmin | what would that be? menu -> urls -> select url from list? |
| 15:47.40 | pupnik | ya |
| 15:47.48 | mgedmin | hm, neat idea |
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| 15:52.33 | pupnik | what is the right data structure for that quick lookup/scan text |
| 15:52.39 | pupnik | i think a tree |
| 15:53.13 | pupnik | each url is stored in a tree where each letter is a node |
| 15:53.31 | fatal^ | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html#LocationGPSDeviceFix |
| 15:53.46 | fatal^ | does anyone know how I can get that (double) time converted into a time_t? |
| 15:54.06 | pupnik | when scanning text on screen, you begin traversing tree after encountering http - lookups occur in O(1) time |
| 15:54.32 | mgedmin | pupnik: construct a DFA from the url regexp? |
| 15:55.03 | pupnik | this must be in a library i assume - what is dfa? :) |
| 15:55.19 | mgedmin | discrete finite automaton |
| 15:55.59 | mgedmin | probably not worth it |
| 15:56.17 | mgedmin | the idea is that you process each input character exactly once |
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| 15:56.25 | pupnik | well i think i described it sufficiently - as each character appears on terminal, you either have a match in a child node or you exit the search with "new url found" |
| 15:56.45 | mgedmin | has a sense of deja vu about this conversation |
| 15:56.47 | pupnik | oh, maybe this is an example of that |
| 15:57.16 | mgedmin | did I say discrete? gaah, I meant deterministic |
| 15:57.24 | pupnik | sorry fatal^ no clue |
| 15:57.26 | mgedmin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterministic_finite-state_machine |
| 15:57.55 | mgedmin | the original idea for regexes was to compile them to DFAs for very fast pattern matching |
| 15:58.06 | fatal^ | pupnik: ok :/ |
| 15:58.07 | pupnik | oh! |
| 15:58.17 | mgedmin | then people started extending regexp dialects with things like backreferences, they became non-regular, and impossible to process with DFAs |
| 15:58.41 | pupnik | thank you for connecting two things in my brain |
| 15:59.50 | pupnik | xterm probably already implements this or more general thing |
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| 16:00.07 | mgedmin | actually, yes, it has to, for the purposes of highlighting the urls |
| 16:00.15 | mgedmin | s/highlighting/underlining/ |
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| 16:01.00 | pupnik | if i look my brain will start hurting, i know it |
| 16:01.44 | pupnik | runs away and starts cleaning |
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| 16:04.13 | pupnik | but this annoys me, why do we give names to things like this (DFA) and teach them as a solution, when anyone who knows how to think about data structures should come up with it as the solution him/herself? |
| 16:04.58 | mgedmin | so they don't waste time coming up with the solution that somebody else already came up with? |
| 16:05.05 | mgedmin | dunno, you're asking me to justify science to you |
| 16:05.36 | pupnik | i know the answers, just wish people thought about non wasteful data structures and algorithms more |
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| 16:06.14 | mgedmin | jus wishes people thought |
| 16:07.38 | pupnik | people operate differently too. |
| 16:08.38 | fatal^ | riddlebox: I noticed my tracks didn't contain any time tags either, which means they get rejected by openstreetmap.org ..... which version are you using? I've built the freemantle git branch of maemo-mapper which only seems to fetch the very basic information from liblocation .... |
| 16:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | hits pupnik for using PC pronouns. |
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| 16:10.56 | pupnik | hits ppl for using python and ruby and javascript |
| 16:11.07 | pupnik | fight! |
| 16:11.40 | sevard | winds up his python and whips pupnik |
| 16:11.46 | mgedmin | ouch! |
| 16:11.53 | sevard | wapatachhaaa! |
| 16:12.34 | pupnik | puts sevard's python in a C-clamp |
| 16:12.45 | ccooke | forbids pupnik from using any language but befunge, intercal and circuit :-) |
| 16:13.08 | sevard | brainfucks pupnik in a dark alley |
| 16:13.09 | sevard | :o |
| 16:13.45 | Meizirkki | hides ruby before anything bad happens |
| 16:13.47 | pupnik | awll ttfn |
| 16:14.05 | |R | haha |
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| 16:18.44 | Khertan | GOTO ++ ! |
| 16:19.00 | Khertan | http://www.gotopp.org// |
| 16:21.53 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin, GeneralAntilles , et al: ok, new localization package up |
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| 16:22.10 | timeless_mbp | if you already have the repo enabled, you should get the typical "update available" notice |
| 16:22.18 | timeless_mbp | if not, you're encouraged to give it a try :) |
| 16:22.37 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: fingerable zenity is really important to me :) |
| 16:24.31 | timeless_mbp | pokes asedeno_work |
| 16:24.36 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 16:24.38 | timeless_mbp | missed |
| 16:24.41 | timeless_mbp | pokes aSIMULAtor |
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| 16:30.52 | lardman | aargh, bloody autofocus, or lack thereof |
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| 16:32.01 | fiferboy | Does anyone know of an app with source available that uses tracker? |
| 16:32.13 | fiferboy | Tracker documentation is... non-existant |
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| 16:32.43 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 16:32.57 | timeless_mbp | does the nautilus tracker search thing count? |
| 16:33.48 | suihkulokki | fiferboy: there is rygel which uses tracker at least |
| 16:34.34 | fiferboy | suihkulokki: Thanks, I forgot I could look at non-maemo applications ^_^ |
| 16:35.04 | fiferboy | timeless_mbp: I think nautilus would be a bit more than I need, especially since it has Beagle in it too |
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| 16:35.19 | mgedmin | tracker comes with a gui search tool |
| 16:35.43 | mgedmin | and some command-line tools that I never understood |
| 16:36.02 | iDialekt | Wow I'm reading about symbian users' thoughts on the iPhone. Some of the posts sound completely inexperienced. |
| 16:36.57 | timeless_mbp | iDialekt: shocking! |
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| 16:38.50 | iDialekt | It's just surprising. The symbian ui, while capable,.. Feels like a 90's OS. Not saying which os can do more but most of the claims are feeble and show clearly that one has never properly used the competing device |
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| 16:39.18 | fiferboy | mgedmin: I don't think the gui tool is availabe on maemo yet, is it? |
| 16:39.29 | mgedmin | no, I'm pretty certain it's not |
| 16:39.35 | mgedmin | neither is nautilus |
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| 16:40.01 | iDialekt | I hope I get a better experience with the n900 soon. |
| 16:40.22 | iDialekt | The one I had didn't feel ready for primetime yet |
| 16:41.07 | mgedmin | is my n900 warm because it was in my pocket, or because I left google reader open and polling for news with javascript? |
| 16:41.20 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 16:42.34 | GeneralAntilles | bets on polling. |
| 16:44.43 | iDialekt | Sup GeneralAntilles .. Your nick is becoming a familiar if not household name |
| 16:44.58 | mgedmin | byes |
| 16:48.53 | kkito | hello, i am unable to run opengl-es2 apps under scratchbox. Anybody knows how to do that? |
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| 16:50.36 | fiferboy | kkito: You can't run armel binaries in scratchbox in the latest SDK (at least, the maemo desktop portions of the gui don't start) |
| 16:51.07 | fiferboy | kkito: And I don't think opengl-es2 is available for x86 in the SDK, I beleive it is opengl desktop that is available |
| 16:51.20 | fiferboy | (at least when building Qt with opengl that is the case) |
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| 16:51.47 | GeneralAntilles | iDialekt, I am slowly popping up everywhere. *g* |
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| 16:53.17 | crashanddie | moans at new guy hired above me who needs to feel powerful |
| 16:54.46 | kkito | fiferboy, I am porting a opengl-es2 game to maemo, but i need to run/debug it. Then it is not possible without the real device? |
| 16:55.31 | AstralStorm | hey |
| 16:55.31 | iDialekt | Lol |
| 16:55.31 | AstralStorm | has anyone tried building icedtea for n8x0 |
| 16:55.35 | AstralStorm | (and maybe n900) |
| 16:55.39 | fiferboy | kkito: As I understand it the only way to build against opengl-es2 is to build for armel. And the only way to run armel is on a device. |
| 16:55.43 | AstralStorm | or other Java VM. |
| 16:55.58 | AstralStorm | fiferboy: wrong |
| 16:56.03 | AstralStorm | you can run armel in qemu-arm |
| 16:56.05 | fiferboy | kkito: You could compile for armel and ask someone with a device to test for you, but this becomes a real pain for debuging |
| 16:56.11 | AstralStorm | :) |
| 16:56.14 | AstralStorm | (with mediocre results) |
| 16:56.19 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, show him your Nokia prototype! That'll put 'im in his place! |
| 16:56.37 | fiferboy | AstralStorm: You can't start he maemo portions of the SDK in armel, though, so depending on the package it might not work at all |
| 16:56.47 | AstralStorm | sure you can. |
| 16:56.47 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, I'd rather show him my job offer from Nokia |
| 16:56.52 | AstralStorm | I did that back in the past. |
| 16:56.53 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 16:57.07 | kkito | fiferboy, i did it and yes is a pain, for me and for my friend... |
| 16:57.11 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, but that would be fraud, considering they didn't make me one |
| 16:57.18 | AstralStorm | what you can't start is the hardware part |
| 16:57.25 | fiferboy | AstralStorm: With what SDK? Since beta 2 (at least) armel doesn't start in scratchbox |
| 16:57.29 | AstralStorm | but most of that uses dbus, so needs no testing |
| 16:57.34 | AstralStorm | ditch scratchbox |
| 16:57.35 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: It's only fraud if you use it to benefit yourself. |
| 16:57.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:57.44 | AstralStorm | use a better environment |
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| 16:57.50 | AstralStorm | I'm talking about actual qemu-arm |
| 16:57.58 | AstralStorm | the one used for Poky Linux. |
| 16:58.11 | SpeedEvil | qemu-arm would still not emulate the 3d hardware |
| 16:58.21 | AstralStorm | that's true. |
| 16:58.25 | AstralStorm | ;> |
| 16:58.31 | GeneralAntilles | wishes everything about maemo.org weren't so mindbendingly slow. |
| 16:58.31 | SpeedEvil | so the lib would bomb out |
| 16:58.38 | AstralStorm | unless someone writes it |
| 16:58.43 | AstralStorm | so, do that ;p |
| 16:58.44 | GeneralAntilles | Just, for once, can we please have a reasonably responsive website? :( |
| 16:58.53 | jysky | why is it that maemo sdk environment is so crappy, i always knew that nokia is just big fuck up with software but that bad?! |
| 16:59.13 | AstralStorm | jysky: because of budget and time cuts ;p |
| 16:59.20 | Robot101 | jysky: you're new to embedded development? |
| 16:59.21 | AstralStorm | somebody didn't get paid enough |
| 16:59.24 | Robot101 | the SDK is *always* shit |
| 16:59.30 | iDialekt | Lol |
| 16:59.31 | AstralStorm | s/always/usually/ |
| 16:59.31 | Robot101 | did you try symbian development? :P |
| 16:59.34 | AstralStorm | some are very nice |
| 16:59.35 | jysky | Robot101, no, not really. i've don atmel development |
| 16:59.38 | AstralStorm | Symbian is nokia too |
| 16:59.54 | AstralStorm | try the iPhone SDK ;p |
| 17:00.04 | jysky | but that's for kids ;) |
| 17:00.06 | jysky | too easy |
| 17:00.10 | Robot101 | I did, but it only made iPhone apps. rubbish! :P |
| 17:00.16 | AstralStorm | or the one for Motorolas |
| 17:00.31 | AstralStorm | (ugh otherwise, but the sdk is neat) |
| 17:01.17 | AstralStorm | or the friggin android SDK |
| 17:01.20 | AstralStorm | :> |
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| 17:01.58 | GeneralAntilles | It shouldn't take 3 minutes to login and thumb a package. . . . |
| 17:02.30 | AstralStorm | GeneralAntilles: try Mer maybe? |
| 17:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | Um? |
| 17:02.44 | AstralStorm | that one is quick, but still uses scratchbox crud |
| 17:02.51 | AstralStorm | so, yeah. |
| 17:02.54 | AstralStorm | not much better |
| 17:03.04 | GeneralAntilles | This is http://maemo.org, not sure what this has to do with Mer or Maemo. . . . |
| 17:03.20 | AstralStorm | that's Maemo. |
| 17:03.27 | Mousey | those are Maemo |
| 17:03.27 | AstralStorm | maemo.org/wiki/Mer |
| 17:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | AstralStorm, really don't get what you think I'm talking about here. |
| 17:03.48 | Meizirkki | AstralStorm, wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 17:03.57 | AstralStorm | yes ;p |
| 17:03.59 | AstralStorm | my bad |
| 17:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | AstralStorm, and, yes, I know about Mer. |
| 17:04.30 | GeneralAntilles | I ran a friggin Mer booth at FLS this weekend. :) |
| 17:04.47 | GeneralAntilles | throws rocks at tekojo. |
| 17:05.02 | AstralStorm | GeneralAntilles: it is win, isn't it |
| 17:05.07 | AstralStorm | just needs some 10 extra developers |
| 17:05.14 | Stskeeps | oi, we dont use scratchbox in mer |
| 17:05.14 | AstralStorm | or 1k man-hours |
| 17:05.20 | AstralStorm | I noticed |
| 17:05.23 | Stskeeps | i take offense to that |
| 17:05.24 | AstralStorm | you did, but now it's all OBS |
| 17:05.27 | AstralStorm | :D |
| 17:05.30 | AstralStorm | which is win |
| 17:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | ~60 seconds of staring at a spinning progress circle and still no thumb. |
| 17:06.01 | AstralStorm | GeneralAntilles: have a cup of tea in the meantime |
| 17:06.02 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: if you want slow |
| 17:06.13 | timeless_mbp | try using the Flag app once you install my package :) |
| 17:06.21 | timeless_mbp | but at least it gives you progress indicators :) |
| 17:06.29 | timeless_mbp | a shiny progress meter :) |
| 17:06.39 | GeneralAntilles | It's no wonder nobody wants to rate Extras-testing stuff. |
| 17:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Because you CAN'T! |
| 17:06.55 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 17:07.20 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Rate my extras-testing stuff |
| 17:07.31 | lcuk | hi, i have installed "packagerate" application, and its close to whats needed for on device rating and voting for with the maemo packages but needs fremantle updating and polishing |
| 17:07.32 | timeless_mbp | grovels for testers |
| 17:07.34 | GeneralAntilles | I've been trying to give one thumbs up to VGBA for 12 minutes now. |
| 17:07.42 | GeneralAntilles | Still staring at a spinning circle |
| 17:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, looks like it timed out. |
| 17:07.51 | GeneralAntilles | 3rd time's the charm. |
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| 17:08.37 | Xisdibik_ | GeneralAntilles: im crossing my fingers for you |
| 17:08.38 | GeneralAntilles | This is ridiculous, we need servers or this is going to be 2007 all over again. |
| 17:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | That's a hit this platform can't afford. |
| 17:09.39 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: i'm trying to install packagerate |
| 17:09.45 | timeless_mbp | but i want someone to play w/ my package ;) |
| 17:10.02 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: btw... |
| 17:10.12 | timeless_mbp | "I understand and agree." => "Yeah, right." |
| 17:10.17 | timeless_mbp | sound ok? :) |
| 17:10.23 | GeneralAntilles | Sounds great. |
| 17:10.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hopefully qwerty12 will have a patched h-a-m that disables it entirely soon, anyway. |
| 17:11.41 | timeless_mbp | so... Most of my Add/Remove app now talks about Add/Remove-ing stuff |
| 17:11.53 | timeless_mbp | should the actual Install dialog also change from "Install" to "Add" ? |
| 17:12.15 | timeless_mbp | "The package you are about to install is not provided by Nokia. " |
| 17:12.15 | timeless_mbp | "Packages from untrusted sources may include malware that can " |
| 17:12.16 | timeless_mbp | "cause financial damage, access your stored data, or harm the " |
| 17:12.16 | timeless_mbp | "device. The package may also be subject to 3rd party rights and " |
| 17:12.16 | timeless_mbp | "license terms.\n" |
| 17:12.16 | timeless_mbp | "Installation will be at your own risk." |
| 17:12.31 | timeless_mbp | ... that's the current text in enus1 .... |
| 17:12.50 | timeless_mbp | wonders which idiot decided to use a small font size for the text |
| 17:13.07 | ShadowJK | The "browser tops itself" stuff on bugzilla is kinda chaotic... |
| 17:13.09 | timeless_mbp | I still like my diablo string text |
| 17:13.29 | timeless_mbp | it was something like "Since this software isn't from Nokia, it might actually work" |
| 17:13.44 | timeless_mbp | How about... |
| 17:14.08 | timeless_mbp | "This 3rd party package might actually work, or it might embarrass you, or cause you financial harm." |
| 17:14.40 | GeneralAntilles | files a blocker out of spite. |
| 17:14.44 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, indeed. |
| 17:15.03 | timeless_mbp | still doesn't quite understand what triggers that |
| 17:15.19 | timeless_mbp | anyone have comments about my proposed text? |
| 17:15.23 | GeneralAntilles | At least it's not as bad as it was on Diablo. |
| 17:15.42 | ShadowJK | btw, on N8x0, if you open a new window in browser (Either opening link from browser, or opening link from another app), and if you switch away from the browser BEFORE it has written the title bar (you can see the titlebar changing in the task switcher), then it's much less likely that it tops itself later. |
| 17:15.51 | riddlebox | fatal^, I am using whatever is in the n810 repos, sorry so late, had to get the dogs from the kennel |
| 17:16.15 | GeneralAntilles | Wow, now I've managed to give VGBA two thumbs up. |
| 17:16.26 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, are you as tired as I am? |
| 17:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | Oh wait, three! |
| 17:16.47 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, I slept a LOT last night, so I'm mostly back up to speed. |
| 17:16.57 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, but, yeah, that was a long weekend. |
| 17:17.08 | AndrewFBlack | I didn't get home until 11pm last night |
| 17:17.11 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, I beep at you as we were leaving and you guys were loading up the car. |
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| 17:17.26 | GeneralAntilles | Your father-in-law (?) gave me a dirty look but you didn't look up. :P |
| 17:17.30 | GeneralAntilles | s/beep/beeped/ |
| 17:17.35 | ShadowJK | I mostly avoid the topping behaviour of microb now by activating the task switcher, waiting for the title bar to change, and then switching back to whatever I was doing before I wanted to load a page in the background |
| 17:17.43 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, lol he didn't know how you where and he was having bad day lol |
| 17:17.46 | GeneralAntilles | I got back around 5. |
| 17:18.04 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, if it wasn' for them paying for my hotel I would not have brought them |
| 17:18.10 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 17:18.25 | lcuk | andre__, ok :$ |
| 17:18.52 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, congrats, VGBA now qualifies for Extras. :P http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_non-free_armel/vgba/3.6.5-2/ |
| 17:19.03 | AndrewFBlack | My mother in law can't understand why I would work on a project that I don't make any money off of |
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| 17:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, hehe, it's that mentality that's currently holding back open source. ;) |
| 17:20.44 | crashanddie | N900 night mode fail: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBu38IndI5I |
| 17:20.48 | AndrewFBlack | Well she can't even check her own email she has no idea what open source is, I was trying to explain what the Sheevaplug I got wasand I justgave up |
| 17:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 17:21.23 | crashanddie | Sheevaplug sounds like an Indian religious dildo |
| 17:21.28 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno about you, but the free ham sandwiches are a big part of why _I_ do it. :D |
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| 17:22.02 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, looks like Blair Witch |
| 17:22.03 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, you got Ham mine what turkey I got robbed |
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| 17:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, haha, I would've had a turkey but they were out. |
| 17:24.03 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, johnx enlightened me to the fact that the crazy guy with the camera was Roblimo from /. :D |
| 17:24.04 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, When I walked out Brian congradulated me on winning the sheevaplug I just smiled and said thanks. |
| 17:24.43 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, the guys who I couldn't figure out what post of mine he replied to |
| 17:25.09 | GeneralAntilles | jjackowski? |
| 17:25.24 | AndrewFBlack | yeah is that who your talking about? |
| 17:25.42 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, the guy with the video camera. |
| 17:25.53 | AndrewFBlack | ohh yeah that guy is was nuts |
| 17:26.01 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblimo |
| 17:26.33 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, wow and you pissed him off lol |
| 17:27.27 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I got the Ogg lecture. |
| 17:27.59 | AndrewFBlack | Who was that guy who talked to you for like an hour |
| 17:28.06 | GeneralAntilles | Eric Noble |
| 17:28.09 | GeneralAntilles | No idea who he is. |
| 17:28.33 | GeneralAntilles | He went off on some crazy shit about needing government regulation and taxes for any new technology to be adopted. |
| 17:28.51 | timeless_mbp | a coworker had a picture of him open today |
| 17:28.56 | timeless_mbp | he seemed to think the guy's ok |
| 17:28.58 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 17:29.08 | GeneralAntilles | "We have to make gas $6 a gallon!" |
| 17:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Roblimo? Yeah, he was great. |
| 17:29.41 | timeless_mbp | no eric noble |
| 17:29.53 | GeneralAntilles | Which Eric Noble, though? |
| 17:29.58 | AndrewFBlack | there was some real strange people there |
| 17:29.59 | timeless_mbp | there's more than one? |
| 17:30.15 | timeless_mbp | remembers roblimo from circa 2001 |
| 17:30.18 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, seems like it. |
| 17:30.27 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/eric/noble |
| 17:30.37 | AndrewFBlack | I still can't believe atlantic.net had someone there who didn't even know what linux was |
| 17:30.43 | timeless_mbp | bah, no pictures |
| 17:30.47 | SpeedEvil | wishes for $6 gasoline. |
| 17:31.03 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, 50s/60s, mostly gray hair, short beard. |
| 17:31.18 | timeless_mbp | gives up |
| 17:31.24 | SpeedEvil | (as it's rather more than that now) |
| 17:31.49 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, think it's this Eric Noble: http://www.meetup.com/JaxPHP-JaxWeb/members/4016762/ |
| 17:32.39 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, that was him |
| 17:33.23 | timeless_mbp | probably |
| 17:34.35 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, Im thinking Sheevaplug + 7inch USB Touch Screen + Mer + Battery Pack would be a cool toy lol |
| 17:35.04 | GeneralAntilles | AndrewFBlack, make a great kitchen computer. |
| 17:35.40 | AndrewFBlack | GeneralAntilles, tempted to make a Carputer out of it |
| 17:36.00 | riddlebox | hrmm using maemo-mapper and I have a huge track from this weekend, but it doesnt upload the whole track |
| 17:36.00 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, or that. |
| 17:36.16 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 17:36.27 | timeless_mbp | so... anyone else w/ an n900 and time to use a translation? |
| 17:36.32 | timeless_mbp | i really really need feedback :) |
| 17:36.45 | SpeedEvil | AndrewFBlack: see http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f |
| 17:37.04 | AndrewFBlack | is tempted to run home and see if n900 is there yet |
| 17:37.08 | SpeedEvil | (larger screens are available) |
| 17:37.36 | timeless_mbp | AndrewFBlack: ups tracking? :) |
| 17:37.39 | GeneralAntilles | arm9 is gonna be a bit painful for Maemo 5. |
| 17:37.57 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Quim'n'Co are tool cool for tracking number. |
| 17:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | s |
| 17:38.01 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, quim didn't give me the tracking number and I cna't get ahold of him |
| 17:38.26 | timeless_mbp | AndrewFBlack: i could send him an sms if you wanted... |
| 17:38.41 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, sure |
| 17:39.01 | AndrewFBlack | SpeedEvil, looks nice but not as fun as building it myself |
| 17:39.26 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, Just say I'm wanting my tracking number to see where its at right now |
| 17:39.57 | AndrewFBlack | SpeedEvil, sheevaplug is about twce as fast also |
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| 17:40.45 | SpeedEvil | And: yes, it is. |
| 17:41.13 | SpeedEvil | AndrewFBlack: I'm considering the above to repair my microwave - the existing LCD is broken. |
| 17:41.21 | timeless_mbp | sms sent |
| 17:41.31 | timeless_mbp | odd |
| 17:41.36 | AndrewFBlack | SpeedEvil, thas one hell of a microwave lcd |
| 17:41.39 | SpeedEvil | And add some features. (time-lapse video of cooked items for bread rising, ...) |
| 17:41.43 | timeless_mbp | i installed a package and now i'm seeing a checking for updates, please wait message |
| 17:41.51 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, thanks |
| 17:41.54 | timeless_mbp | but my background has the SMS i just sent, not ham |
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| 17:43.58 | lcuk | time for the world to end, LHC is coming back online |
| 17:44.04 | timeless_mbp | um... packagerate has issues in Fremantle |
| 17:44.13 | timeless_mbp | it makes MicroB kerning look good |
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| 17:46.17 | AndrewFBlack | waits for tracking number |
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| 17:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, PackageRate has issues in Diablo. |
| 17:50.11 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 17:50.18 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 17:50.27 | timeless_mbp | an end user reported never finding the soft power off button |
| 17:50.32 | timeless_mbp | (n900) |
| 17:51.41 | ShadowJK | should run some mplayer+mencoder benchmark on sheevaplug |
| 17:52.46 | timeless_mbp | is the rating done w/ my wiki password, my bugzilla password, my garage password, the talk password i don't have, or something else? |
| 17:55.28 | GeneralAntilles | Should be Garage |
| 17:55.32 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.37 | GeneralAntilles | since that's what's used for Downloads. |
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| 17:58.23 | fatal^ | riddlebox: ok... then I don't know your problem.... I debugged my lacking timestamps (which might not be the only required tag missing) to be related to the new GPS code for liblocation in maemo-mapper ... http://fatal.se/tmp/maemo/mm-fremantle-pos_time.diff .... this is only useful on top of the fremantle branch of maemo-mapper git though. |
| 18:00.30 | timeless | you didn't mention the part about packagerate crashing on fremantle... |
| 18:01.49 | anidel | I had to reply to people stating how easy is to use N900 as a modem for Mac: http://anidel.blogspot.com/2009/10/n900-as-modem-for-ubuntu-910.html |
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| 18:09.21 | genewitch | how-to ringtone? |
| 18:09.28 | lcuk | timeless, the packagerate principle is right, the implementation needs work |
| 18:09.48 | lcuk | its the old style, but pretty much the sort of thing thats needed to link up with -testing |
| 18:10.24 | genewitch | searching maemo.org doesn't yield any good results on "ringtone" or "ringtones" |
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| 18:13.25 | GeneralAntilles | genewitch, Google should, though. ;) |
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| 18:14.27 | genewitch | GeneralAntilles: it didn't. |
| 18:14.31 | genewitch | hence me coming in here |
| 18:14.46 | genewitch | all google turned up is "there should be a site for the n900 ringtones" |
| 18:14.58 | GeneralAntilles | Why does it matter if they're for N900? |
| 18:15.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just pick a wav/mp3/mp4/whatever. |
| 18:16.06 | AndrewFBlack | My ringtone will be GeneralAntilles be interviewed by Roblimo |
| 18:16.15 | genewitch | GeneralAntilles: well, for a start it only sees the wav file in the directory, not the mp3. Secondly, picking the wav file comes back with "unsupported ring tone format" |
| 18:16.16 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 18:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | I suspect I looked very shifty eyed |
| 18:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | Crazy Asian dude staring lasers through my forehead was very distracting. |
| 18:16.46 | wiretapped | AndrewFBlack: link? |
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| 18:17.28 | AndrewFBlack | wiretapped, I'm not sure if Roblimo posted it anywhere I just know he recorded it |
| 18:17.38 | AndrewFBlack | You can see me in the background trying to look busy lol |
| 18:17.41 | genewitch | so there's no spec page for the format the ringtones have to be in? |
| 18:17.55 | wiretapped | genewitch: ringtones are standard wav files |
| 18:17.58 | wiretapped | they just need to be signed |
| 18:18.00 | GeneralAntilles | genewitch, I haven't had anything that hasn't worked so far. |
| 18:18.06 | wiretapped | you can purchase a key from nokia |
| 18:18.34 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 18:18.43 | timeless_mbp | afaik the n900 just uses normal .wav files... |
| 18:19.05 | genewitch | GeneralAntilles: mplayer plays the wav; unsupported ringtone format in the sound control panel. |
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| 18:19.38 | timeless_mbp | genewitch: does the normal media player play it? |
| 18:19.46 | genewitch | which |
| 18:19.54 | genewitch | oh , let me check |
| 18:20.02 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 18:21.14 | genewitch | yeah it's such a drag wanting something as simple as a ringtone to work properly and having people treat you like an idiot |
| 18:21.20 | genewitch | i also sigh. |
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| 18:21.41 | timeless_mbp | well, the fact that you found the default media player so unusable that you immediately forgot about it |
| 18:21.46 | timeless_mbp | says something about the quality of it |
| 18:21.52 | timeless_mbp | both in features and bling/wow |
| 18:22.11 | genewitch | media player says unsupported codec |
| 18:22.19 | wiretapped | try the file command? |
| 18:22.25 | timeless_mbp | ok... so... |
| 18:22.28 | wiretapped | or, what does mplayer say about your wav? |
| 18:22.34 | timeless_mbp | media player and the other thing use the same gstreamer backend |
| 18:22.38 | genewitch | stereo 8000hz wav |
| 18:22.42 | timeless_mbp | which means there's something "interesting" about it |
| 18:23.01 | wiretapped | 8khz might be the problem |
| 18:23.01 | timeless_mbp | iirc there are gstreamer command line tools around |
| 18:23.14 | timeless_mbp | not sure if they're installed by default or if you have to install them from a repo |
| 18:23.21 | genewitch | timeless_mbp: so the answer is "whatever wav file the media player can play is a valid ringtone" not "mp3/mp4/wav" and "any normal wav" |
| 18:23.27 | genewitch | i just wanted a spec sheet |
| 18:23.56 | genewitch | i gathered it wasn't a valid format when the control panel said "unsupported" |
| 18:24.20 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 18:24.33 | timeless_mbp | i said it uses normal wav files |
| 18:24.35 | timeless_mbp | i didn't say it supported them :) |
| 18:25.01 | timeless_mbp | from what i've heard, what it actually does is take the file you give it, convert it into a very boring wav format |
| 18:25.03 | timeless_mbp | and then plays that |
| 18:25.11 | timeless_mbp | at least under certain circumstances |
| 18:25.19 | GeneralAntilles | The default ringtones are AAC, actually. |
| 18:25.23 | timeless_mbp | so that it doesn't have to worry about spending time decoding when it's supposed to do work |
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| 18:25.47 | timeless_mbp | but... |
| 18:25.51 | timeless_mbp | wav is really just a container |
| 18:26.03 | timeless_mbp | i could probably stuff a jpeg into a wave file if i tried hard enough :) |
| 18:26.11 | genewitch | yeah, i'll have to edit it all on the PC |
| 18:26.20 | genewitch | i hate reading man pages on the nokia :-p |
| 18:26.35 | timeless_mbp | not a problem, by default we strip man pages :) |
| 18:27.15 | genewitch | i think maybe you're right, man isn't even there |
| 18:27.16 | Flandry | where would i find information on how to make an installed app show an icon in maemo? I see nothing about it in the packaging wiki |
| 18:27.39 | timeless_mbp | Flandry: i probe GAN |
| 18:27.42 | timeless_mbp | it works for me :) |
| 18:28.04 | timeless_mbp | somewhere you'll find that it's basically a png run through uue |
| 18:28.06 | Flandry | sorry, what? |
| 18:28.15 | timeless_mbp | what => who => GeneralAntilles |
| 18:28.30 | timeless_mbp | ... with certain dimensions which vary depending on the os version |
| 18:28.30 | Flandry | oh, i include the uucoded icon in the control file |
| 18:28.38 | Flandry | 48x48 |
| 18:28.44 | Flandry | is that all it should take? |
| 18:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 18:28.57 | Flandry | huh |
| 18:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | For the application manager, anyway. |
| 18:29.11 | GeneralAntilles | The application menu is controlled by the .desktop file. |
| 18:29.15 | Flandry | ohhhh |
| 18:29.23 | Flandry | i see it in the app manager now that i look |
| 18:29.25 | Flandry | awesome |
| 18:29.43 | Flandry | so how do i learn about the .desktop file? |
| 18:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | Think the official docs contain some info. |
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| 18:30.11 | GeneralAntilles | Although historically it's just been badly documented. |
| 18:30.33 | GeneralAntilles | My recommendation is to just copy from another application's .desktop. |
| 18:31.11 | timeless_mbp | you could try to fix wiki docs :) |
| 18:31.22 | Flandry | that's an uphill battle :D |
| 18:31.23 | timeless_mbp | someone might thank you |
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| 18:31.39 | Flandry | i fixed the place where the sdk install linked to the beta... |
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| 18:32.15 | Flandry | so grab a source package and look at the .desktop in the debian dir? |
| 18:32.23 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 18:32.35 | timeless_mbp | did someone send gettext to extras-devel? |
| 18:33.15 | timeless_mbp | wtf |
| 18:33.17 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/downloads/search/application/ |
| 18:33.29 | timeless_mbp | clicking on "Maemo 5" doesn't cause it to turn orange |
| 18:33.35 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, can you find MishaS at some point and ask about Fremantle FBReader. It's a bit alpha for a supposed Fremantle Star. |
| 18:33.50 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: poke me tomorrow "morning" |
| 18:33.58 | timeless_mbp | (before 4pm finnish local time) |
| 18:34.03 | Flandry | that's for sure |
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| 18:34.48 | Flandry | Starting browser daemon: browserd |
| 18:34.48 | Flandry | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 20993 Aborted /usr/bin/hildon-home |
| 18:34.48 | Flandry | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 21010 Segmentation fault (core dumped) $TRACKER |
| 18:34.48 | Flandry | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 302: 21012 Aborted (core dumped) mafw-dbus-wrapper /usr/lib/mafw-plugin/mafw-tracker-source.so |
| 18:34.48 | Flandry | [sbox-F |
| 18:34.53 | Flandry | doh |
| 18:35.17 | Flandry | is that something i should worry about |
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| 18:35.22 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
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| 18:41.19 | timeless_mbp | ok... so um |
| 18:41.39 | timeless_mbp | someone want to remind me how to upload a package to extras? :) |
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| 18:42.08 | Flandry | there's the extras upload tool if you want to use the browser |
| 18:42.24 | Flandry | that's the only way i've tried |
| 18:42.44 | Flandry | http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format <--chinook vintage |
| 18:42.46 | Flandry | ha |
| 18:42.58 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras ? :) |
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| 18:44.36 | timeless_mbp | pokes maemo.org with a stick |
| 18:44.53 | timeless_mbp | ok... so um |
| 18:45.00 | timeless_mbp | how do i get a .changes file? |
| 18:46.04 | anidel | if you dpkg-buildpackage it, you should have it already |
| 18:46.30 | anidel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.31 | anidel | dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us -sa -D |
| 18:46.34 | anidel | uops |
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| 18:53.30 | timeless_mbp | what if i find a deb in another repository |
| 18:53.33 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/gettext/0.17-4maemo1+0m5/ |
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| 18:54.15 | Firebird | intersting, my game jumped 300 downloads between yesterday and today |
| 18:54.23 | AndrewFBlack | timeless_mbp, no reply from quim? |
| 18:54.30 | timeless_mbp | nope |
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| 18:54.40 | AndrewFBlack | I wonder what time it is there lol he might be in bed |
| 18:54.48 | timeless_mbp | it's 9pm here |
| 18:54.51 | timeless_mbp | we just ate dinner @work |
| 18:54.56 | timeless_mbp | not sure where he is |
| 18:55.02 | timeless_mbp | but he's generally not east of here |
| 18:55.13 | AndrewFBlack | where are you? |
| 18:55.17 | timeless_mbp | HEL |
| 18:55.22 | AndrewFBlack | lol |
| 18:55.43 | Flandry | some kind of three-character localization of names? |
| 18:56.16 | Flandry | timeless, make sure you use the right buildpackage options |
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| 18:56.24 | Flandry | the default ones don't work as i learned... |
| 18:56.25 | timeless_mbp | Flandry: airport code |
| 18:56.42 | Flandry | oh i thought you meant somewhere much warmer... |
| 18:57.00 | timeless_mbp | well, the computers in this room keep us toasty |
| 18:57.07 | timeless_mbp | we counted cores last week |
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| 19:04.01 | pupnik | heh being warmed by the byproduct of actual information processing |
| 19:04.07 | pupnik | that's kind of a unique position |
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| 19:07.18 | lcuk | pupnik, its not unique lol, i used to warm hands on crt monitors and rest feet on the top of computer |
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| 19:07.52 | pupnik | you probably were coding visual basic apps on a PIV |
| 19:08.22 | lcuk | nahh playing half life n portal and UT and chattin with mates most likely |
| 19:08.23 | pupnik | :) |
| 19:08.47 | pupnik | i cant feel any heat on n810 |
| 19:09.11 | pupnik | it is kind of otherworldly to a pc guy |
| 19:09.58 | lcuk | pupnik, my 810 gets warm when charging |
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| 19:13.12 | pupnik | speaking of... |
| 19:17.47 | keesj | how do i import all my contacts from google? |
| 19:18.23 | keesj | and should mailfor exchange work with exchange servers? |
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| 19:21.17 | riddlebox | anyone got an extra stylus for their n810? |
| 19:21.41 | doladowanie | http://darmowe-doladowanie.org/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=1ab8c7f36a6ba0e393e2e2af4bfc8211 |
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| 19:21.44 | riddlebox | wink wink |
| 19:26.18 | SpeedEvil | ebay! |
| 19:27.07 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N810-Internet-Tablet-Replacement-Stylus_W0QQitemZ170391733444QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item27ac2384c4 |
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| 19:27.15 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:29.06 | hrw | re |
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| 19:32.11 | bulfaiter | anyone here uses esbox to develop for maemo5? |
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| 19:35.45 | pablo_ | in scratchbox . its possible see How rootstrap is used... |
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| 19:40.37 | kkito | there are any possibility to get a n900 development device, devkit or something? |
| 19:41.44 | timeless_mbp | if you had enough karma, nokia sent an invite for a dev program |
| 19:42.03 | timeless_mbp | i think there are ways for you to propose things you want to do for which you'd need a device |
| 19:42.07 | lcuk | kkito, there is a downloadable devkit and all info here: http://maemo.org/development/ |
| 19:42.08 | kkito | i dont know what karma is :) |
| 19:42.28 | timeless_mbp | kudos? |
| 19:42.38 | timeless_mbp | recognition of value within a community |
| 19:42.58 | kkito | lcuk, i need a device. I have alredy the sdk but i am unable to debug an opengl-es2 game that i am developing for the n900 |
| 19:43.37 | lcuk | kkito, in the short term, post on talk.maemo.org and get testers involved? |
| 19:44.26 | AndrewFBlack | kkito my n900 is in the mail to me now if you need someone to test t for you I will |
| 19:44.37 | Flandry | my app works ok in sdk when launched from shell, fails with sound problem from icon oO |
| 19:45.30 | lcuk | kkito, make a thread about it and shows screenshots and links to source and stuff and talk about how to put it onto maemo.org devel repository |
| 19:45.43 | kkito | lcuk, AndrewFBlack , thx but i need a device to debug myself, because right now the game doesnt run on a real device ( i friend thar have an n900 test it), and is something that should be debugged |
| 19:46.07 | AndrewFBlack | kkito, ok |
| 19:46.25 | lcuk | kkito, add debug info as printfs, send to friend, let him do it |
| 19:46.31 | lcuk | or, invite friend round with beer |
| 19:46.32 | timeless_mbp | kkito: fwiw, forumnokia historically has had loaner programs of various sorts |
| 19:46.52 | keesj | strace is also good! |
| 19:47.35 | kkito | anyways the game will not be free at all, and no opensource... I want to release a demo and a commercial version... |
| 19:48.01 | kkito | will be cheap... but no free |
| 19:48.37 | timeless_mbp | kkito: wait for devices to reach stores and pick one up.... |
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| 19:48.55 | timeless_mbp | either that, or look into forum nokia |
| 19:49.08 | timeless_mbp | that's the more commercial oriented end of things |
| 19:49.16 | kkito | timeless_mbp, i have reserved one device on the nokia store |
| 19:49.43 | timeless_mbp | http://discussion.forum.nokia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149128 |
| 19:49.46 | kkito | but i want to release the game at the same date that nokia n900 will be ship |
| 19:49.49 | timeless_mbp | indicates there still is a loaner program |
| 19:49.50 | hrw | normally I would say that beagleboard can be probably used as test device. but I prefer to not support non-free software |
| 19:49.51 | keesj | kkito: interesting. you probably can develop on the beagleboard |
| 19:50.05 | keesj | :p |
| 19:50.18 | timeless_mbp | kkito: anyway |
| 19:50.29 | timeless_mbp | this channel is mostly oriented toward open source advocates |
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| 19:50.39 | timeless_mbp | you've gotten the best answers they can offer |
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| 19:50.47 | timeless_mbp | asking further is likely to get less positive answers |
| 19:51.00 | kkito | i know :) thx everyone |
| 19:51.00 | timeless_mbp | as a commercial developer, forum nokia is the official answer |
| 19:51.11 | kkito | timeless_mbp, thx :) |
| 19:51.28 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure if they have devices for loan, but if they get inquiries, they'll probably figure it out |
| 19:51.46 | timeless_mbp | the other thing you could do is try to contact the maemo marketing team to see if you can give them a pitch |
| 19:51.51 | timeless_mbp | they might manage to find a device |
| 19:52.00 | timeless_mbp | would go w/ FN |
| 19:52.27 | kkito | timeless_mbp, thx very much |
| 19:52.31 | timeless_mbp | good luck |
| 19:54.54 | timeless_mbp | ok... where the heck is dput? |
| 19:55.00 | timeless_mbp | i installed devscripts |
| 19:55.11 | timeless_mbp | ii devscripts 2.10.35maemo1 |
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| 19:58.05 | mikkov__ | install dput too |
| 19:58.13 | timeless_mbp | mikkov_: how? |
| 19:58.20 | mikkov__ | apt-get install dput? |
| 19:58.31 | timeless_mbp | apt-get install dput |
| 19:58.37 | timeless_mbp | Package dput is not available, ... |
| 19:58.40 | mikkov__ | needs extras-devel |
| 19:58.58 | mikkov__ | or are you in scratchbox? |
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| 19:59.06 | timeless_mbp | i'm in Mer |
| 19:59.30 | mikkov__ | then forget my instructions ;) |
| 20:00.20 | timeless_mbp | your instructions seem to work |
| 20:00.57 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 20:01.05 | timeless_mbp | can i use ~/.dput.cf ? |
| 20:01.08 | timeless_mbp | i don't like being root |
| 20:01.41 | mikkov__ | hmm, never tried that |
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| 20:01.58 | timeless_mbp | i'm not saying it exists |
| 20:02.03 | timeless_mbp | merely that there should be something like it |
| 20:02.08 | timeless_mbp | and it'd be nice if you suggested it :) |
| 20:02.33 | mikkov__ | I have always used /etc/dput.cf :) |
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| 20:04.08 | mikkov__ | # otherwise, read /etc/dput.cf then ~/.dput.cf |
| 20:04.28 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 20:04.45 | timeless_mbp | libexpat1-dev = 1.95.8-5maemo1+0m5 |
| 20:04.56 | timeless_mbp | libexpat1 = 2.0.1-4 |
| 20:06.01 | bulfaiter | ok: so I guess noone uses esbox. How do you develop for maemo? Vim? Emacs? |
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| 20:06.26 | johnsq | bulfaiter: is there somerhing else? |
| 20:06.38 | bulfaiter | i'm asking :) |
| 20:06.44 | bulfaiter | I'd like to have an IDE |
| 20:06.51 | bulfaiter | i'm more used to those things |
| 20:07.07 | timeless_mbp | bulfaiter: there's an eclipse system somewhere |
| 20:07.12 | johnsq | bulfaiter: unix is editor + make = no gui |
| 20:07.15 | bulfaiter | timeless_mbp, yeah, esbox |
| 20:07.16 | timeless_mbp | personally i use vi/notepad/xcode + Mer |
| 20:07.35 | bulfaiter | and how do you autocomplete code? |
| 20:07.39 | bulfaiter | asuming that you do |
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| 20:08.25 | timeless_mbp | autocomplete? |
| 20:08.27 | hardaker | bulfaiter: emacs + meta-/ and templates ;-) |
| 20:08.36 | bulfaiter | mmm |
| 20:08.37 | johnsq | bulfaiter: vim/emacs supports such things. write short names and no 1page long functions names |
| 20:08.38 | timeless_mbp | that's what fingers are for |
| 20:08.41 | timeless_mbp | muscle memory |
| 20:08.52 | bulfaiter | hardaker: and does emacs index .h headers? |
| 20:09.04 | hardaker | you mean auto-create them? |
| 20:09.06 | bulfaiter | timeless_mbp: somewhere, productivity goddess cry |
| 20:09.08 | hardaker | no |
| 20:09.20 | hardaker | (well, it quite possibly can but I don't use a package that makes it do that) |
| 20:09.22 | bulfaiter | no, i mean: read / parse headers |
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| 20:09.32 | bulfaiter | so it can "guess" what you want to type |
| 20:09.43 | hardaker | read and parse for what purpose exactyl (otherwise I'll say "yes") |
| 20:09.49 | bulfaiter | mmm |
| 20:10.01 | bulfaiter | i don't know if you ever used netbeans for c/c+ |
| 20:10.03 | johnsq | bulfaiter: I write my with copy & paste, most functions i need, i have already written |
| 20:10.14 | crashanddie | oh wow, look at that, a bunch of noobies discussing :) |
| 20:10.16 | bulfaiter | it reads/indexes your code, so you can autocomplet just like java |
| 20:10.26 | crashanddie | Look GeneralAntilles, the new generation has arrived, look how beautiful our toddlers are! |
| 20:10.33 | timeless_mbp | has used netbeans |
| 20:10.37 | timeless_mbp | and a bunch of others |
| 20:10.42 | bulfaiter | ¬¬ |
| 20:10.44 | timeless_mbp | they're useful at times |
| 20:10.47 | timeless_mbp | but... |
| 20:10.48 | hardaker | bulfaiter: yes, it'll do that. |
| 20:11.35 | bulfaiter | hardaker: :), ok, I'll do some research |
| 20:11.37 | timeless_mbp | actually worked on netbeans for a bit |
| 20:11.48 | timeless_mbp | remembers forte |
| 20:11.51 | timeless_mbp | and forte for java |
| 20:11.54 | timeless_mbp | and the mess of renamings |
| 20:12.15 | hardaker | bulfaiter: it's a generic completion. If you run irc inside of emacs and then type bulf meta-/ in your code it'll autocomplete to bulfaiter :-) |
| 20:12.18 | bulfaiter | well, netbeans refactor for c++ and java works quite well right now |
| 20:12.27 | johnsq | bulfaiter: but better than completion is Reactive Keyboard. |
| 20:12.40 | bulfaiter | reactive keyboard? |
| 20:12.52 | johnsq | bulfaiter: http://freshmeat.net/projects/rk |
| 20:13.24 | johnsq | bulfaiter: intelligent completion, it knows what you plan to type |
| 20:13.34 | bulfaiter | mmm |
| 20:13.40 | bulfaiter | johnsq: that's nice for bash, i guess |
| 20:13.42 | bulfaiter | but when coding |
| 20:13.49 | bulfaiter | I just need to write things once :P |
| 20:14.27 | johnsq | bulfaiter: It does the same job and needs no index and other stuff. |
| 20:18.41 | crashanddie | johnsq, real men use raw input into the kernel |
| 20:18.47 | crashanddie | no pussy predictiveness |
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| 20:19.03 | johnsq | :) |
| 20:19.07 | crashanddie | I cat > /proc directly on boot |
| 20:27.09 | bulfaiter | and now, the other question -crashanddie, i want you opinion too ;) |
| 20:27.18 | crashanddie | eh? |
| 20:27.20 | bulfaiter | Makefiles and all that stuff: do you do them by hand? |
| 20:27.30 | bulfaiter | or is there any tool to create them? |
| 20:27.35 | crashanddie | I have magic Makefiles |
| 20:27.38 | bulfaiter | (its a plural you) |
| 20:27.40 | crashanddie | which take care of themselves |
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| 20:27.53 | bulfaiter | great, so you just do make clean |
| 20:27.57 | bulfaiter | nice |
| 20:28.20 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, there's some nifty options in gcc which allow to find the dependencies based on the source code |
| 20:28.26 | johnsq | bulfaiter: look at automake autoconfig and such. |
| 20:28.29 | crashanddie | so you don't have to make sure your makefiles include everything |
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| 20:29.05 | bulfaiter | aham |
| 20:29.07 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, I can have a 50 classes c++ app, but my makefile still only has 10 lines or so |
| 20:30.08 | bulfaiter | and with that 50 classes app, you don't autocomplete? |
| 20:30.13 | bulfaiter | or you use emacs, too? |
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| 20:30.39 | johnsq | bulfaiter: there isn't much magic in makefiles, I just copy them from old projets to new, and replace some variables. |
| 20:31.40 | bulfaiter | the thing is: i'm using librest, so I have to import some .h. Pkg-config does its magic |
| 20:31.46 | bulfaiter | and gets the includes and libs |
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| 20:31.56 | bulfaiter | so there's no problem if i know the function names |
| 20:32.01 | bulfaiter | and it compiles and all that |
| 20:32.04 | bulfaiter | without any problem |
| 20:32.07 | bulfaiter | (and works) |
| 20:32.29 | bulfaiter | but... I'd like to be able to import, say my "IDE": look for this dependency here, and index it |
| 20:32.43 | bulfaiter | so, after that, some keystroke allows me to choose between the options |
| 20:33.09 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, invalid usecase |
| 20:33.18 | johnsq | bulfaiter: LIBS= `pkg-config --libs xcb-keysyms ...` does the same job |
| 20:33.20 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, a makefile, by design, is something you setup once, use many |
| 20:33.30 | bulfaiter | right |
| 20:33.33 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, so having to lookup the documentation once isn't going to kill you |
| 20:33.39 | bulfaiter | ¬¬ |
| 20:33.49 | bulfaiter | crashanddie: i code for a living |
| 20:33.59 | johnsq | bulfaiter: same with -cflags for the headerfiles. |
| 20:33.59 | bulfaiter | i use visual studio |
| 20:34.29 | bulfaiter | johnsq: yeah, i did that: pkg-config librest --libs --cflags |
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| 20:34.37 | bulfaiter | and got the options to pass g++ |
| 20:34.43 | bulfaiter | and as i did it with ` |
| 20:34.56 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, and I travel the world and tell banks and governments they're idiots for being so lax with regards to security, I'm also a programmer by trade, seriously, don't try to bollock your way through this channel by using such arbitrary statements that don't mean anything to anyone except yourself |
| 20:34.56 | bulfaiter | i mean, between that comma, |
| 20:34.59 | bulfaiter | it expanded |
| 20:35.30 | bulfaiter | crashanddie: i don't need to be your friend. I came here asking for some help, and you started calling me noob |
| 20:35.40 | bulfaiter | so i don't need your answers |
| 20:35.42 | crashanddie | bulfaiter, what you're talking about is not related to Maemo. If you have an issue with makefiles or gcc, go to the appropriate channels |
| 20:35.44 | bulfaiter | i can use johnsq's |
| 20:35.48 | bulfaiter | he's been helpfull |
| 20:35.49 | johnsq | bulfaiter: `...` or $(shell .... ) |
| 20:36.06 | lardman | re |
| 20:36.09 | lardman | hello chaps |
| 20:36.29 | crashanddie | o/ lardman, wassup mate? |
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| 20:36.49 | crashanddie | lardman, 12 hour flight tomorrow, woohoo! |
| 20:36.50 | lardman | crashanddie: not much, just back from a meeting, chilling out with a beer |
| 20:36.53 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 20:37.00 | crashanddie | oh, beer sounds nice |
| 20:37.02 | lardman | yay! sounds like fun... |
| 20:37.09 | lardman | 12h to where? |
| 20:37.14 | timeless_mbp | has anyone here seen foreaca-weather-applet? |
| 20:37.18 | timeless_mbp | its package is um... interesting |
| 20:37.19 | crashanddie | lardman, proper excuse to convince my cow-orkers that the n900 is awesome |
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| 20:37.26 | crashanddie | lardman, and nowhere to flee (for them!) |
| 20:37.35 | crashanddie | lardman, california |
| 20:37.41 | lardman | who needs an excuse! |
| 20:37.45 | crashanddie | they do |
| 20:37.45 | lardman | ah, sounds nice |
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| 20:38.25 | crashanddie | I just discovered the place I'm staying at has a drumkit, and a few basses/guitars, so it's going to be hard to be professional |
| 20:39.04 | crashanddie | lardman, I got myself a Python book, as you recommended, and will try to get a bluetooth keyboard in the airport tomorrow, might start hacking away nicely |
| 20:39.12 | lardman | good good :) |
| 20:39.24 | lardman | unfortunately pyGTK has no book |
| 20:39.30 | lardman | or had, might have one now |
| 20:39.41 | crashanddie | lardman, not interested in pyGTK |
| 20:39.51 | lardman | good lad, who needs GUIs? |
| 20:39.53 | lardman | :) |
| 20:40.02 | crashanddie | GTK make me feel like I have a pig's scrotum stuck to my fingers |
| 20:40.15 | lardman | Qt all the way? |
| 20:40.19 | crashanddie | QT isn't any better, but at least "it's the way of the future" |
| 20:40.25 | lardman | yes, true |
| 20:40.50 | crashanddie | and well, Qt is more object oriented, so makes more sense with Python |
| 20:41.10 | crashanddie | anyway, time for some awesome ironing, ttyl |
| 20:41.21 | lardman | enjoy! |
| 20:41.22 | hrw | bye all |
| 20:41.26 | lardman | 30min/shirt... |
| 20:41.29 | lardman | bye hrw |
| 20:42.53 | lardman | anyone know how to set macro mode on the N900 camera programmatically? |
| 20:43.43 | lardman | damn, needs libgdigicam, but it doesn't seem to like me |
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| 20:45.52 | lcuk | lardman, wheres the -dev for digicam |
| 20:46.13 | riddlebox | i wish i had a n900 |
| 20:46.14 | lardman | have to compile your own from gitorious |
| 20:46.22 | lardman | but the example code is sparse to say the least |
| 20:46.46 | lcuk | ahh |
| 20:47.06 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: AFAIK, the author of that library frequents #maemo |
| 20:47.36 | lardman | qwerty12_N810, do you know his name? |
| 20:47.38 | lardman | nick |
| 20:47.47 | X-Fade | lardman: ab |
| 20:47.50 | lardman | and does anyone know how I get xchat to s/,/: ? |
| 20:47.52 | qwerty12_N810 | ab, I think |
| 20:48.06 | lardman | X-Fade: thanks |
| 20:48.13 | lardman | qwerty12_N810, ditto |
| 20:48.41 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: settings -> preferences -> input box -> nick completion suffix |
| 20:49.01 | lardman | I don't have input box |
| 20:49.21 | lardman | xchat-GNOME 0.26.1 |
| 20:49.34 | lardman | I'm being forced to use , ! |
| 20:49.35 | qwerty12_N810 | Eurgh, use the real thing |
| 20:49.52 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: irssi you mean? :) |
| 20:50.04 | qwerty12_N810 | I knew someone would say that! :) |
| 20:50.33 | lardman | xchat uses tcl |
| 20:50.34 | lardman | ! |
| 20:50.49 | X-Fade | most clients do |
| 20:50.55 | lardman | really |
| 20:50.59 | lardman | oh, fair enough |
| 20:51.02 | Mousey | huh? |
| 20:51.03 | qwerty12_N810 | No, it has a plugin for allowing one to use scripts for it written in TCL |
| 20:51.24 | X-Fade | tcl irc and bot scripts are quite common |
| 20:51.28 | lardman | ah ok |
| 20:51.43 | lardman | right, just removing the gnomisms and going to pure xchat, bbiam, I hope ;) |
| 20:52.24 | timeless_mbp | grovels for testers |
| 20:52.34 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: so... fingerable zenity? :) |
| 20:52.40 | X-Fade | Ah, finally all icons show for apps in the packages interface. |
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| 20:53.05 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I'm working on something of my own, ATM :\ |
| 20:53.21 | lardman | I'm back |
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| 20:53.39 | lardman | much better |
| 20:53.48 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, get a free minute or two to review the cloak proposal? ;) |
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| 20:54.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: Do you know of any docs from freenode about what we can reasonably ask for? |
| 20:55.22 | GAN900 | X-Fade, yes, but I haven't reviewed them in a while. Will re-reck. |
| 20:55.50 | tbf | timeless: is it possible to have kinetic scrolling in GtkMozEmbed? |
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| 20:56.56 | pupnik | ----if iphone were a band, it would have a drop-dead sexy lead singer and solid musicians performing music that is dumbed-down and annoying. |
| 20:57.05 | lcuk | lardman, did you run through the testsuite |
| 20:57.11 | lcuk | as part of gdigicam |
| 20:57.16 | lardman | lcuk: no |
| 20:57.26 | tbf | timeless_mbp: is it possible to have kinetic scrolling in GtkMozEmbed? |
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| 20:57.51 | tbf | or do i have to use some maemo specific API to embed a pannable browser widget? |
| 20:57.58 | lcuk | since it runs over all the variouscombinations |
| 20:58.02 | lcuk | it might be an idea |
| 20:58.07 | lardman | yes, but not in the way I want |
| 20:58.10 | lcuk | and should show the expected use of each fn |
| 20:58.22 | lardman | I need to feed the output to an xvimagesink in a small window |
| 20:58.22 | javispedro | oh sorry. but this is hilarious. |
| 20:58.36 | javispedro | the "n900 does not have opengl" post is echoing all over the fansites |
| 20:58.40 | lardman | lcuk: I also want to use a tee and two pipelines, which doesn't seem to agree with it, etc |
| 20:58.52 | javispedro | and they're even surprised... |
| 20:59.14 | X-Fade | javispedro: Well iphone doesn't have it either ;) |
| 20:59.26 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Should we strangle the fools together? :) |
| 20:59.28 | lcuk | mm? i thought once you pushed data onto a gst pipeline it just moves along the pipeline and the any library used at the source end is handled then and the results are left to flow through the pipe |
| 20:59.29 | Stskeeps | javispedro: what on earth.. |
| 20:59.34 | Stskeeps | javispedro: wtf. |
| 20:59.39 | lardman | lcuk: in fact I don't need the camera_bin stuff, I just want one pipeline |
| 21:00.01 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, but it didn't work for me - may be my fault. I need to ask |
| 21:00.07 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:00.23 | javispedro | was previously considering registering on certain fansite just to tell people that the "N900 wasn't a Intel Core 2 Duo" and slash their expectations in half. |
| 21:00.33 | javispedro | but now I'm considering registering to defend the N900.... |
| 21:00.45 | lardman | heads off to watch Life |
| 21:00.55 | Mousey | core uno? |
| 21:01.07 | Flandry | anyone willing to briefly test a game package on a real n900 and give me feedback on the controls? |
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| 21:01.14 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 21:01.24 | lcuk | cya later lardman |
| 21:01.30 | timeless_mbp | iirc the browser gets kinetic panning by not disabling something from the engine |
| 21:01.32 | javispedro | bye lardman! |
| 21:01.51 | timeless_mbp | if you want the same kind of panning the browser has, you should be able to get it if you use the tablet browser apis |
| 21:01.54 | RST38h | javis: That is a slippery path |
| 21:02.07 | timeless_mbp | but kinetic panning wasn't part of gtkmozembed, ... |
| 21:02.12 | RST38h | You already want to defend n900 in the net forums? A slippery path indeed |
| 21:02.13 | timeless_mbp | at least, iirc, that's how things are/aren't |
| 21:02.40 | javispedro | RST38h: I can't but help follow their latest weird activities. |
| 21:02.54 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I'd say "point 'em to the Quake 3 port" but I wouldn't be surprised if they said it was using software rendering... |
| 21:03.48 | johnsq | javispedro: write or port ps1 emulator |
| 21:03.54 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810: well, I would. This is from the same guy with the 10 or 12 N900 emulators... |
| 21:04.22 | qwerty12_N810 | *facepalm* |
| 21:04.56 | lcuk | technically its true tho isnt it - the n900 is not compatible with desktop opengl |
| 21:05.25 | lcuk | gles sure |
| 21:05.25 | lcuk | and show bounce being more advanced |
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| 21:05.31 | javispedro | it's true of course. how's that going to be a dealbreaker, specially: how's that going to be a dealbreaker AT THIS STAGE is over me. |
| 21:05.47 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: But your average user will not understand the difference and will be thinking no 3D games are possible :) |
| 21:06.08 | lcuk | but its been clear from like 2004 that desktop opengl doesnt work on mobiles |
| 21:06.13 | lcuk | are there actually any that support it |
| 21:06.16 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: No directx either ;) |
| 21:06.18 | javispedro | exactly. |
| 21:06.32 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: Welcome to the internet... |
| 21:06.33 | lcuk | :O omg X-Fade |
| 21:06.35 | lcuk | really |
| 21:06.36 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: OMG |
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| 21:06.54 | X-Fade | I am not kidding! |
| 21:06.54 | lcuk | :'( i wanted to play farcry on my n900 |
| 21:07.55 | lcuk | i just heard the n900 does not include a DVD drive on board |
| 21:07.58 | suihkulokki | notes xkcd.com is having a memorial service for the burial of geocities |
| 21:08.00 | Flyser | too bad wine wont work ... |
| 21:08.01 | lcuk | how am i expected to install windows 7 |
| 21:08.12 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: geocities died again? |
| 21:08.13 | lcuk | Flyser, wine always works |
| 21:08.15 | javispedro | btw lcuk, got the book. interesting. I wish they would have included a bit more info on diffs between gl and gl es . |
| 21:08.16 | lcuk | ask lardman |
| 21:08.25 | Flyser | lcuk: wine workson an arm processor?! |
| 21:08.42 | lcuk | timeless, died for real, they just stopped accepting updates ages ago afaik |
| 21:08.44 | timeless_mbp | Flyser: win32 works on arm |
| 21:08.50 | lcuk | Flyser, wine works on users |
| 21:09.01 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof Hey, somebody knows how to get somebody on planet-maemo? |
| 21:09.02 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof Given the amount of stuff this upstream maintainer of Tumbler is doing for change-request that I'm making, I feel we should reward him a bit by getting him on planet-maemo (and he was just asking me about how this maemo stuff works, so) |
| 21:09.02 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof And how to get involved |
| 21:09.02 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof ill ask on #maemo |
| 21:09.03 | Flyser | lcuk: :D |
| 21:09.19 | pvanhoof | Tumbler is going to be Harmattan's thumbnailer service |
| 21:09.23 | Flyser | timeless_mbp: Link? |
| 21:09.38 | timeless_mbp | en.wikipedia.org ? |
| 21:09.43 | pvanhoof | Somebody knows? |
| 21:09.49 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: can you mail to planet at maemo? |
| 21:10.02 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/ |
| 21:10.03 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: I will then do that in the morning. |
| 21:10.10 | Flyser | Even if win32 works on arm this does not mean that wine does too |
| 21:10.10 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, planet@maemo.org? |
| 21:10.19 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, awesome, ok. |
| 21:10.24 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: thanks for the spam. |
| 21:10.29 | pvanhoof | np :) |
| 21:10.35 | GeneralAntilles | pvanhoof, this channel is logged. :) |
| 21:10.35 | javispedro | Flyser: well, there have been some patches for Winelib ARM support in the wine tree. |
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| 21:10.46 | GeneralAntilles | pvanhoof, so let's avoid handing direct email links over to the bots, thanks. |
| 21:10.57 | pvanhoof | oh, sorry gene |
| 21:11.06 | pvanhoof | GeneralAntilles I mean |
| 21:11.13 | pupnik_ | will we get exchange / outlook integration (maybe commercial)? |
| 21:11.23 | pupnik_ | friend is asking for it |
| 21:11.30 | X-Fade | pupnik_: already there? |
| 21:11.40 | X-Fade | pupnik_: mfe? |
| 21:11.43 | pupnik_ | <- a little slow |
| 21:11.53 | timeless_mbp | Flyser: so, there was some recent progress by someone on wine-arm |
| 21:11.54 | pupnik_ | mfe... |
| 21:11.55 | suihkulokki | javispedro: one of the oldest tricks you could do with qemu linux-user was to run "qemu-i386 ./wine" on a ppc |
| 21:12.07 | suihkulokki | so you could do the same on arm |
| 21:12.09 | javispedro | suihkulokki: but that's very slow. |
| 21:12.15 | Flyser | suihkulokki: qemu emulation on a mobile phone :D |
| 21:12.19 | pupnik_ | X-Fade: solid? mature? |
| 21:12.20 | GeneralAntilles | Mail for Exchange, pupnik. |
| 21:12.25 | suihkulokki | javispedro: oh really? :D |
| 21:12.30 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 21:12.35 | timeless_mbp | for lack of a better note about win/arm, http://forums.arm.com/index.php?showtopic=1422 |
| 21:12.37 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, I asked Jannis to send you that e-mail |
| 21:12.44 | X-Fade | pupnik_: integrated, offered by Nokia. |
| 21:13.17 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, note that Tumbler wont yet be used on Fremantle, so this is stuff for Harmattan already. On Fremantle the thumbnailer service is hildon-thumbnailerd |
| 21:13.32 | javispedro | suihkulokki: AFAIK Darwine used to have PPC Wine, and a modified qemu for x86 user code only (native wine libs would be non emulated). |
| 21:13.34 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Just tell him to mention Maemo a lot in his posts ;) |
| 21:13.51 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: how does one file bugs about foreca? :) |
| 21:13.52 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, yeah he has a tag for maemo that he just made |
| 21:13.54 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Otherwise he will feel the love of the negative vote ;) |
| 21:14.09 | GeneralAntilles | Planet hates off-topic. rawr. |
| 21:14.12 | pvanhoof | http://gezeiten.org/feed/tag/maemo/atom |
| 21:14.30 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, nod. Though audience indeed :) |
| 21:14.46 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Couch surfing now.. Don't want to do real work ;) |
| 21:14.58 | pvanhoof | sure ok :) |
| 21:15.18 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: I'll do it in the morning. |
| 21:15.42 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, but of course, tumbler is XFCE software that we are adapting and preparing to be useful on Maemo. So Maemo audience should realize that we cooperate sometimes with xfce ;) |
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| 21:16.31 | pvanhoof | That's a good thing :) |
| 21:16.47 | pvanhoof | But thanks for taking care |
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| 21:21.17 | timeless_mbp | knifes andre__ |
| 21:21.35 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, eh? |
| 21:21.44 | timeless_mbp | don't defend ui designers |
| 21:21.48 | timeless_mbp | it's bad for your health |
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| 21:22.03 | anidel | re |
| 21:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Link! |
| 21:22.30 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, don't file duplicates |
| 21:22.38 | timeless_mbp | andre__: not a duplicate |
| 21:22.46 | andre__ | then explain why |
| 21:22.56 | timeless_mbp | because it's a different widget |
| 21:23.06 | timeless_mbp | and it's screwed *differently* |
| 21:23.16 | timeless_mbp | and i want this person to suffer death by a thousand papercuts |
| 21:23.38 | SpeedEvil | timeless: what if htey have a paperless office? |
| 21:23.44 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: we use postits |
| 21:23.58 | anidel | timeless.. woah man.. I missed the bug.. |
| 21:23.58 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, file an internal ticket |
| 21:24.03 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 21:24.07 | andre__ | yes. |
| 21:24.12 | timeless_mbp | bugs should be discussed in the public eye |
| 21:24.15 | Corsac | qwerty12_N810: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5793 btw, not sure if you saw it |
| 21:24.18 | andre__ | yeah. discussed. |
| 21:24.20 | timeless_mbp | if he can't defend himself publicly |
| 21:24.26 | timeless_mbp | then he loses |
| 21:24.28 | andre__ | so have arguments. |
| 21:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at andre__'s plight. |
| 21:25.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, Corsac |
| 21:26.00 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: seriously |
| 21:26.09 | timeless_mbp | in that case, you're best served by writing your own widget |
| 21:26.19 | timeless_mbp | i'll probably write one in zenity in a bit |
| 21:26.23 | timeless_mbp | once i figure out the details |
| 21:26.36 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: libprofile has headers |
| 21:26.49 | timeless_mbp | oh, i'm not saying it's undocumented |
| 21:26.55 | timeless_mbp | just that i'd have to read something |
| 21:26.58 | timeless_mbp | since it isn't my area :) |
| 21:27.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah :) |
| 21:27.09 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: the ui team is very opinionated |
| 21:27.12 | timeless_mbp | and refuses to change anything |
| 21:27.15 | Flandry | is uploading to extras the first step of getting public input |
| 21:27.19 | timeless_mbp | the best you can do is show that they're wrong |
| 21:27.19 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810: having headers is only the first step ;) |
| 21:27.30 | timeless_mbp | and the best way to do that is have a popular addon that everyone uses |
| 21:27.31 | javispedro | having doxygenated headers would be step 2 ;) |
| 21:27.35 | Flandry | or should i share a deb until i think it's ready |
| 21:27.45 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: They appear to be... |
| 21:27.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Detailed comments can be found in 'em |
| 21:28.06 | javispedro | cool. then the generated docs must be avail somewhere in SDK docs. |
| 21:28.19 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: fwiw /etc/profiled/ is pretty easy to deal w/ |
| 21:28.33 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, you can of course import the ticket yourself if you want. see http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Cloning |
| 21:28.45 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i don't care about cloning to internal |
| 21:28.49 | timeless_mbp | what matters is the public bug |
| 21:29.08 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, then enjoy getting stuff continually wontfix'ed. as easy as that |
| 21:29.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Meanwhile, Nokia should make a header detailing com.nokia.phone.SSC. Hardcoding values is not good for my health... |
| 21:29.25 | timeless_mbp | andre__: if you don't want to clone the bug, don't touch it <PERIOD> |
| 21:29.32 | timeless_mbp | don't touch = don't change the resolution |
| 21:29.41 | andre__ | that's not how it works |
| 21:29.48 | timeless_mbp | if the ui owner wants to wontfix it, they have to crawl out from behind their shelter |
| 21:29.54 | timeless_mbp | no hiding |
| 21:29.56 | andre__ | not at all. |
| 21:30.00 | timeless_mbp | yes. |
| 21:30.18 | andre__ | *shrug* |
| 21:30.53 | timeless_mbp | andre__: you don't want to be where you are. stay out of the middle. |
| 21:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Hooray for broken processes. |
| 21:31.04 | timeless_mbp | ask quim to drag their asses into the public |
| 21:31.21 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, well, done that to quim and tero at the summit |
| 21:31.21 | timeless_mbp | they're public figures, they presented themselves at maemo summit |
| 21:31.24 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: does this sound like something I can code using only scratchbox? |
| 21:31.31 | anidel | a broken process can be fixed.. if both sides would stick to the glue |
| 21:31.36 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, feel free to do the same |
| 21:31.47 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia turned the bugmaster position into a giant bandaid. |
| 21:31.48 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: well |
| 21:31.58 | timeless_mbp | depends on whether or note the profiled thing runs in scratchbox |
| 21:32.10 | timeless_mbp | i could write the zenity thing based on just the two files from /etc/profiled/ |
| 21:32.12 | anidel | maybe it just didn't scale well |
| 21:32.17 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, I disagree |
| 21:32.19 | pupnik_ | can mfe be integrated into the rest of n900 mail? |
| 21:32.29 | andre__ | only to be clear, it's not that i want to keep the current state. but i repeat myself anyway... |
| 21:32.30 | timeless_mbp | pupnik_: eh? |
| 21:32.50 | X-Fade | pupnik_: it is just a provider in the regular mail client |
| 21:33.15 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, and, yet, #630 really hasn't gotten all that much better. |
| 21:33.36 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, will maemo.gitorious.org help? |
| 21:33.44 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I doubt it. |
| 21:33.48 | andre__ | why? |
| 21:33.57 | andre__ | so it's better to keep the code internal? |
| 21:34.00 | andre__ | like before? |
| 21:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | Following CVS commits aint the same thing as actually having the responsible parties respond to bugs. |
| 21:34.17 | andre__ | git commits ;-)) |
| 21:34.19 | GeneralAntilles | The code is a separate issue. |
| 21:34.25 | andre__ | i think it's related |
| 21:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | s/CVS/VCS/ |
| 21:34.42 | andre__ | :-) |
| 21:34.44 | timeless_mbp | and not accepting patches means that the fact there's a readable VCS doesn't make it communal |
| 21:34.53 | timeless_mbp | (note: the browser is no better here, i'm not claiming we are) |
| 21:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | All I see these days is you forwarding shit back and forth. |
| 21:35.05 | GeneralAntilles | It's a really bad game of telephone. |
| 21:35.17 | andre__ | of course i want to check out that code, and commit my oneliner patch myself after a review in bugs.maemo.org |
| 21:35.35 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: so... |
| 21:35.36 | anidel | Quim's also doing the same nowadays, but it can produce the shit while andre can't |
| 21:35.36 | GeneralAntilles | That's resulting in a lot of discouraged bug reporters thanks to Nokia's broken process. |
| 21:35.38 | timeless_mbp | what do you have in terms of files |
| 21:35.53 | timeless_mbp | i think you want to have: |
| 21:36.06 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, currently it is bad. that's totally true. |
| 21:36.12 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: But reporting a bug doesn't imply that it gets fixed the way you want. |
| 21:36.18 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.24 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, but I also see more nokians commenting in bugs.maemo.org |
| 21:36.28 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, sure, but you should at least get a reasonable response. |
| 21:36.30 | andre__ | in the last weeks. definitely. |
| 21:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | Not, "Spec. STFU." |
| 21:36.42 | anidel | x-fade but usually nokia has his own way of seeing things.. and they won't change it that easily |
| 21:36.42 | andre__ | that's generalizing |
| 21:36.45 | andre__ | and you know that... |
| 21:36.57 | anidel | x-fate you've got to push hard... |
| 21:37.03 | X-Fade | Which means we need to fix another problem. |
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| 21:37.08 | GeneralAntilles | People aren't likely to continue filing bugs if they keep getting poor responses. |
| 21:37.08 | javispedro | can't resist the urge and registers |
| 21:37.19 | X-Fade | And that is how the spec gets specified. |
| 21:37.30 | GeneralAntilles | Just like people aren't going to keep submitting patches. . . . |
| 21:37.33 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: i suspect those files and a couple of others referenced by them should be all you'd need to write something |
| 21:37.51 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: please! :) |
| 21:37.56 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 21:38.10 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Not saying that is easy ;) |
| 21:38.18 | X-Fade | But at least that should be our goal. |
| 21:38.21 | GeneralAntilles | The process is broken and facilitating it isn't helping progress to fix it. |
| 21:38.38 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: do you have those files? |
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| 21:38.43 | timeless_mbp | if not, someone can fix that for oyu |
| 21:38.46 | anidel | how do we want to fix it? |
| 21:38.47 | timeless_mbp | s/oyu/you/ |
| 21:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | We really need to look at Bugzilla report cards again. |
| 21:38.57 | GeneralAntilles | At least we'll have some numbers to throw at them then. |
| 21:39.07 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: I'm starting my vm and scratchbox |
| 21:39.07 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, and completely abandoning the process tomorrow is impossible. but that's what i read here between the lines |
| 21:39.23 | andre__ | (not just telling you though...) |
| 21:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, sure, but progress has been so slow it's barely noticeable. |
| 21:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | I get that big ships turn slow |
| 21:39.44 | timeless_mbp | andre__: where does a normal human go to file bugs about foreca? |
| 21:39.46 | GeneralAntilles | but my fear is that it may be turning too slowly for it to matter. |
| 21:40.06 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: A normal human uses OMWeather |
| 21:40.22 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: what, you don't want your battery to die w/in a couple of hours? |
| 21:40.24 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: That is at least the maemo.org way of doing it ;) |
| 21:40.25 | timeless_mbp | is shocked |
| 21:40.36 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, don't know. maintainer email address? :-/ |
| 21:40.46 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 21:40.53 | andre__ | there's not even a feedback channel internally i think.... |
| 21:41.05 | timeless_mbp | i think there's a bucket in the bugzilla internally |
| 21:41.12 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: hmhm, should I install something specific in scratchbox? |
| 21:41.18 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: dunno |
| 21:41.19 | GeneralAntilles | like to file some bugs on Ovi Maps but I think my head would explode if I started trying to parse them. |
| 21:41.23 | timeless_mbp | i don't use scratchbox |
| 21:41.24 | Corsac | (i'm in the sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL target, butâ¦) |
| 21:41.26 | timeless_mbp | i stick to mer |
| 21:41.34 | Corsac | erf |
| 21:41.40 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: Ovi Maps is a bug... |
| 21:41.43 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: hold on |
| 21:42.04 | anidel | ovi maps is a free commercial product |
| 21:42.08 | timeless_mbp | osso-systemui-powermenukey has the xml file |
| 21:42.37 | tbf | ...ovi maps is web 2.0 kids (gate5) trying to build a desktop app |
| 21:42.37 | timeless_mbp | anidel: odd statement |
| 21:42.37 | GeneralAntilles | Only because they know it's shit. |
| 21:42.37 | javispedro | Today I've been tempted again by the capacitive side of the force. |
| 21:42.37 | timeless_mbp | tbf: web 2.0? |
| 21:42.38 | qwerty12_N810 | finds the Location Widget more useful... |
| 21:42.38 | timeless_mbp | objects |
| 21:42.38 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, jerk |
| 21:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | They'll charge for it as soon as they think they can get away with it without having a class action suit. |
| 21:42.50 | anidel | timeless: meaning they do whatever they want with it, the way they like it.. perhaps they listen to whoever they want. |
| 21:42.52 | timeless_mbp | the other two files are from: |
| 21:42.54 | timeless_mbp | profile-data |
| 21:42.58 | timeless_mbp | and maemo-ringtones-mr0 |
| 21:43.00 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, about 80% of the time Ovi stops showing the red location dot after about 5 minutes. |
| 21:43.16 | tbf | timeless_mbp: gate5 did plazes before the got bought, and plazes definitely is one of those web 2.0 toys |
| 21:43.23 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: ah, but have you had your red dot go to the north pole? |
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| 21:43.24 | timeless_mbp | has |
| 21:43.27 | timeless_mbp | has pictures too |
| 21:43.29 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I used a G2 at FLS. Hated it. |
| 21:43.32 | ifreq | Ovi :( |
| 21:43.56 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: btw, it's Nokia Maps, not Ovi Maps |
| 21:43.57 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, yo, dude, did you put me on ignore or something? |
| 21:43.59 | timeless_mbp | the branding is different :) |
| 21:44.04 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, most of the time I can't see it, so it could very well be there. |
| 21:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, wut? |
| 21:44.23 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, twice I highlight you, twice you ignore me, bitch |
| 21:44.30 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, is it? http://maemo.nokia.com/features/ovi-maps/ |
| 21:44.31 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: mpf, profile-data isnt available here |
| 21:44.34 | anidel | indeed he is |
| 21:44.36 | crashanddie | /ignore --total GeneralAntilles |
| 21:44.44 | qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: nokia-binaries repo |
| 21:44.49 | Corsac | ha, that's why |
| 21:44.52 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: the app internally says Nokia Maps |
| 21:44.55 | Corsac | hmhm, weird, I though I had it setup |
| 21:44.57 | timeless_mbp | and the splash screen clearly says it |
| 21:45.01 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie, I don't want to talk to yo dumb ass. |
| 21:45.02 | timeless_mbp | i was told Ovi Maps is the next version |
| 21:45.03 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: At least what they say about the sensitiviness is true. However, I still prefer the ability to tap the screen with your average ballpoint pen cap. |
| 21:45.08 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, Unknown arg 'GeneralAntilles' ignored :( |
| 21:45.19 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, mine says "Maps" |
| 21:45.32 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: when you tap it, the splash screen doesn't say Nokia Maps? |
| 21:45.52 | anidel | Maps |
| 21:45.53 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp, is that before or after the 20s screen lag? |
| 21:45.54 | tbf | timeless_mbp: the splash only says "Maps", "Karten", ... |
| 21:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, About says "Ovi Maps 1.00" the splash screen says "Maps" |
| 21:45.54 | timeless_mbp | i've used quite a few, they all say Nokia Maps in the splash screen |
| 21:45.55 | anidel | maps.ovi.com |
| 21:45.58 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: during |
| 21:46.14 | anidel | it always says Maps to e |
| 21:46.15 | anidel | me |
| 21:46.33 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, older build? |
| 21:46.35 | anidel | the about says: Ovi Maps 1.00 |
| 21:46.52 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: bad memory? |
| 21:46.53 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 21:46.58 | timeless_mbp | ok, i'll change it |
| 21:47.06 | timeless_mbp | i could have sworn it said Nokia Maps |
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| 21:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Maps was Nokia Maps prior to 2.0 on S60, but 3.0 is Ovi Maps. |
| 21:47.19 | anidel | you could, but it doesn't :) |
| 21:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | Er, 2.0 and prior. |
| 21:47.34 | timeless_mbp | the package names are nokia-maps-* |
| 21:47.40 | timeless_mbp | that little i'm certain of |
| 21:47.50 | GeneralAntilles | It's been named both on S60. |
| 21:47.59 | GeneralAntilles | So I wouldn't be surprised if the same holds true for Maemo. |
| 21:48.06 | GeneralAntilles | Although on 41-10 it's definitely Ovi Maps. |
| 21:48.11 | GeneralAntilles | So, we're both right. |
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| 21:48.34 | anidel | can we forse the screenshot not to be taken for terminal? |
| 21:48.46 | anidel | the one loaded before the terminal is actually fully loaded? |
| 21:48.47 | timeless_mbp | ?? |
| 21:48.52 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 21:48.54 | anidel | different matter |
| 21:48.58 | anidel | when it starts |
| 21:49.04 | anidel | well |
| 21:49.12 | anidel | when it shows i think it's loaded |
| 21:49.16 | anidel | and start typing |
| 21:49.22 | anidel | and the address book appears |
| 21:49.24 | andre__ | anidel, file a bug. screenshot faking so sucks... |
| 21:49.25 | anidel | doh |
| 21:49.28 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: what do you get for descriptions of nokia-maps-ui and nokiamaps-navigation-provider? |
| 21:49.30 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 21:49.35 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, the screenshot faking is just awful. |
| 21:49.47 | anidel | andre, will don't worry.. just looking for a workaround |
| 21:49.50 | andre__ | just introduces new issues. already bitched internally... sigh |
| 21:50.11 | timeless_mbp | anidel: if they did it right, there's a .desktop flag for it |
| 21:50.18 | timeless_mbp | if not, well..., don't be surprised :) |
| 21:50.28 | anidel | can't they just grab the "focus" as soon as the title is shown? |
| 21:50.33 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, Nokia Maps |
| 21:50.41 | anidel | a .desktop flag? |
| 21:50.47 | lardman | re |
| 21:50.50 | timeless_mbp | anidel: the menus are controlled by .desktop files |
| 21:50.50 | GeneralAntilles | Gawd, JavaScript. |
| 21:50.53 | anidel | hey lardman |
| 21:50.55 | timeless_mbp | they're basically .ini files |
| 21:51.00 | anidel | ah okay |
| 21:51.02 | timeless_mbp | which can specify random hints to launchers |
| 21:51.04 | GeneralAntilles | GPS navigation seems like the last thing you'd want to do in js. |
| 21:51.07 | GeneralAntilles | What is this, webOS? |
| 21:51.22 | timeless_mbp | so the right place to let people override it is there |
| 21:51.30 | timeless_mbp | note that i don't work with those guys |
| 21:51.32 | anidel | cool |
| 21:51.37 | timeless_mbp | so i don't know if they did the right thing |
| 21:51.39 | anidel | :-) |
| 21:51.42 | timeless_mbp | and i certainly don't have any faith |
| 21:51.46 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: thanks, I could install profile-data so I have an example profile |
| 21:51.50 | timeless_mbp | but sometimes they surprise me |
| 21:52.00 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: ok, that's a start |
| 21:52.02 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia: Doing it Wrong® |
| 21:52.05 | anidel | but you still love'em.. as you're here on this platform still |
| 21:52.09 | timeless_mbp | the other file can be pilfered from someone |
| 21:52.15 | timeless_mbp | or the relevant bits extracted |
| 21:52.18 | anidel | ga: but together...shake hands |
| 21:52.22 | timeless_mbp | i think it's basically a dbus service/method call |
| 21:52.35 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'd probably just add some stuff to the .xml file |
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| 21:52.44 | timeless_mbp | i think the systemui.xml file was similar in maemo4 |
| 21:52.48 | GAN900 | anidel, connecting pedophiles. |
| 21:52.50 | javispedro | Ovi Maps is ... JS ... ? :P *sigh* |
| 21:52.51 | timeless_mbp | so you can probably find examples of previous hacks |
| 21:52.56 | anidel | gan900 :p |
| 21:52.58 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: it gets better |
| 21:53.21 | anidel | javispedro: Ovi Maps is Just Shit, yes... |
| 21:53.24 | timeless_mbp | rumor has it they have a stub (or perhaps real?) impl of the plugin in js :) |
| 21:53.49 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 21:54.08 | anidel | anyway.. lots of crap and shit.. but it's not google or apple and that's fine with me so far. |
| 21:54.20 | Corsac | timeless_mbp: 90.nokia.ini doesn't look like an xml file :) |
| 21:54.26 | javispedro | so they can't be arsed to make a proper mozilla+linux plugin even when they release a mozilla+linux product. |
| 21:54.31 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: no, it's an ini file |
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| 21:54.56 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: oh, they're shipping a npapi plugin, but it uses an obsolete api |
| 21:55.01 | timeless_mbp | one that doesn't exist in gecko 1.9.2 |
| 21:55.13 | timeless_mbp | which um... well, let's just say.. the browser team was ... overjoyed ... |
| 21:55.24 | javispedro | ... with joy. |
| 21:55.24 | timeless_mbp | no browser updates until someone cleans up their mess |
| 21:55.37 | lbt | So, tonight I got into a huge traffic jam and used ovi maps to get me out..... conclusion? Ovi maps are fucking useless and I want an iPhone. |
| 21:55.52 | javispedro | here's to another year of hoping a garmin map viewer software gets to "usable" state. |
| 21:56.13 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'm considering trying to get the gps gateway in microb working |
| 21:56.16 | qwerty12_N810 | There you have it: Ovi Maps sucks so badly that a full-time Debian user wants an iPhone :) |
| 21:56.16 | timeless_mbp | so i can use google maps |
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| 21:56.40 | timeless_mbp | Corsac: anyway... you'll find an systemui.xml file somewhere |
| 21:56.41 | lbt | I came to the conclusion that if I'd spent my own money on the N900 I would have been so pissed I'd have taken it back |
| 21:56.43 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810: do us a favour and try to run navicore ;) |
| 21:56.53 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=systemui.xml&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 21:56.57 | timeless_mbp | talks about it a lot |
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| 21:57.28 | anidel | lbt: some friend drove from north london to south west london (my place).. they were lost two three times due to navigation on the iphone |
| 21:57.39 | anidel | too slow to tell them where and when to turn :) |
| 21:57.40 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: It's gonna check for the sysfs entries for the N800's WiFi, at least |
| 21:58.01 | lbt | it was totally unusable from a UI PoV ... (my wife was using it) |
| 21:58.10 | lbt | the GPS update seemed to happen every 10 mins or so |
| 21:58.11 | anidel | lbt: agreed |
| 21:58.19 | lbt | seriously crap |
| 21:58.46 | lbt | we spent an hour and a half totally lost within 15 miles of home |
| 21:58.53 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: I cringe when using it inside my house... |
| 21:58.53 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810 (in Bruce Wayne's voice): That wouldn't stop a man like you, now would it? |
| 21:58.54 | anidel | lbt: I suppose the gps was losing signal and reverting to network positioning |
| 21:58.55 | lbt | (in the dark on country lanes) |
| 21:59.20 | anidel | anyway..it's horrible..can't wait for maemomapper |
| 21:59.24 | timeless_mbp | lbt: awesome |
| 21:59.39 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: It would, when I'm having fun with the joys of hildon-desktop :) |
| 21:59.49 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:00.13 | GeneralAntilles | Seriously, Ovi Maps is DANGEROUSLY non-functional. |
| 22:00.13 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i've used ovi maps on trains |
| 22:00.26 | timeless_mbp | or rather... tried to |
| 22:00.34 | timeless_mbp | has decided to call it ovi maps even though the app clearly thinks it's nokia maps |
| 22:00.37 | javispedro | ok. So we're going to torch for this disfunctioness ? |
| 22:00.45 | javispedro | s/we're/who we're |
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| 22:00.56 | timeless_mbp | well, someone already mentioned gate5 |
| 22:01.01 | timeless_mbp | they're the perpetrators |
| 22:01.25 | GeneralAntilles | The team that put this shit together could be fired and replaced by a half-dozen monkeys and they'd do a better job. |
| 22:02.01 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: That's just insulting to monkeys... |
| 22:02.54 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, seriously, I don't think I've even seen a piece of software that runs more counter to general usefulness. |
| 22:03.00 | lbt | http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/4048158716/ |
| 22:03.15 | lbt | I started some tags "ovi maps" and "crap" |
| 22:03.20 | GeneralAntilles | Win. |
| 22:04.07 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, there's a minor ui refresh coming for maps |
| 22:04.07 | Ceron^ | roflmao |
| 22:04.14 | timeless_mbp | it's supposed to be slightly better |
| 22:04.15 | GeneralAntilles | lbt and I hate you and your goddamn piece of shit TVR. |
| 22:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I might be satisfied if it managed to actually track my GPS position. |
| 22:04.46 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: did you turn on 'track me'? |
| 22:04.49 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: you can tell? |
| 22:05.13 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, what other car has a hood like that? |
| 22:05.16 | lbt | consider's replying to Arii's blog... I'm not getting there, I'll tell you that!!! |
| 22:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | and I know you own one, so. . . . :P |
| 22:05.29 | timeless_mbp | from memory, if you don't turn on track me, the results aren't worth looking at |
| 22:05.31 | javispedro | ok, so where can we vote to torch Ovi Maps and everyone who touched it? |
| 22:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, track me didn't do anything of the sort. |
| 22:05.49 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: oh, please leave my one neighbor alone |
| 22:06.04 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: track me mostly breaks my ability to control zoom/orientation :) |
| 22:06.18 | timeless_mbp | it's very helpful for auto-mess-up-zoom and auto-disorient |
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| 22:06.22 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: indeed |
| 22:06.39 | lbt | all fibreglass - so the GPS had no excuses |
| 22:06.57 | GeneralAntilles | I like that it's almost impossible to get it back to North orientation. |
| 22:07.04 | timeless_mbp | there are two guys here who liaise for maps |
| 22:07.09 | anidel | timeless the little ui change is the removal of that useless bar at the very center of the screen? tell me yes |
| 22:07.13 | pupnik_ | when i attach n900 to pc usb, should i get lsusb entry for N900 even if kernel not booted? |
| 22:07.29 | timeless_mbp | anidel: they're moving it up a pixel or two |
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| 22:07.32 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/1405809809/in/set-72157602080229397/ |
| 22:07.35 | timeless_mbp | we told them to move it to the bottom of the screen |
| 22:07.46 | lardman | pupnik_: if it's switched on, then yes |
| 22:07.46 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, private. |
| 22:07.49 | timeless_mbp | *I* told them that there's a reason dashboards are *below* the windshield instead of above |
| 22:07.50 | anidel | timeless: and their reply was? |
| 22:07.56 | pupnik_ | ty |
| 22:08.00 | timeless_mbp | "thanks for the input" |
| 22:08.00 | lardman | pupnik_: even if it's just charging, it should enter usb flashing mode afaik |
| 22:08.09 | timeless_mbp | which is better than some of their replies |
| 22:08.09 | anidel | timeless: thanks for sharing |
| 22:08.13 | lbt | fixed |
| 22:08.20 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, somebody needs to get them to the next Maemo event so we can beat them up. |
| 22:08.20 | timeless_mbp | which were more like "oh, fixing that would be too expensive" |
| 22:08.39 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: that could be fun |
| 22:08.47 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, I'm going to make myself feel less inadequate by calling that an ugly paint job. :D |
| 22:09.09 | lbt | we changed it |
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| 22:10.36 | lardman | lbt: entering the fun time of year for you now then? ;) |
| 22:10.50 | lardman | leaves, frost, etc |
| 22:10.51 | lbt | oh yes... |
| 22:11.05 | lbt | leary powerslides |
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| 22:11.48 | lardman | :) |
| 22:11.56 | pupnik_ | lardman, so to be clear, kernel does not need to boot, usb id is detected without software running on device? |
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| 22:12.04 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, shipping Ovi Maps is going to be expensive. |
| 22:12.10 | lardman | pupnik_: no, kernel does boot, but only partway |
| 22:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | Software like that can kill a platform. |
| 22:12.26 | GeneralAntilles | They should take a page from Apple's book in this case. . . . |
| 22:12.29 | Andrewfbl | well me n900 came I today but I wasn't. home to sign for it have to wait til tomorrow now |
| 22:12.31 | GeneralAntilles | Don't ship features which are broken as all get out. |
| 22:12.44 | GeneralAntilles | Andrewfbl, that's why you leave a proxy at home! |
| 22:12.51 | javispedro | I'd say try to trick Navicore into another release. |
| 22:12.52 | pupnik_ | if kernel does not boot, can i verify that usb connection physically exists |
| 22:12.57 | javispedro | At least, the consensus seems to be it was better. |
| 22:13.11 | lardman | javispedro: reverse the data format and write our own app to use the data |
| 22:13.23 | Andrewfbl | lol I didn't know it was comingtoday |
| 22:13.24 | pupnik_ | rather electrically |
| 22:13.24 | Andrewfbl | I almost want to call in sick tomorrow |
| 22:13.30 | javispedro | lardman: the app, not the maps itself. the maps were "meh". |
| 22:13.41 | anidel | andrew, you should.. or leave the proxy on :) |
| 22:13.52 | javispedro | Andrewfbl: your preorder? |
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| 22:14.13 | Andrewfbl | no I'm getting pre release one |
| 22:14.15 | pupnik_ | take it as an opportunity tp demonstrate how expendable your job position is. |
| 22:14.19 | lardman | javispedro: ah Navicore of course, how did Jaffa get on trying to get it to work with the stub? Or have I just missed that conversation? |
| 22:15.02 | javispedro | no idea what you're talking about, so I guess it was me who missed the conversation :) |
| 22:15.25 | lardman | javispedro: long time back, before the summit, he was wanting to get Navicore running from N8x0 on N900 |
| 22:15.36 | lardman | but was missing some stub library iirc |
| 22:15.40 | javispedro | ah, cool. qwerty12_N810, learn a thing from him :) |
| 22:16.10 | lardman | writing the stub would be doable, was only the bluez/gps lib iirc |
| 22:16.30 | qwerty12_N810 | mutters some choice curse words regarding hildon-home |
| 22:16.49 | javispedro | i will have a look at it if ovi maps is so awful. |
| 22:17.36 | lardman | is pleased that autofocus now works |
| 22:17.55 | GeneralAntilles | Well, hopefully we can get Maemo Mapper doing some more useful things with cellular. |
| 22:18.39 | Andrewfbl | I would rather have navicore over maemomapper |
| 22:18.53 | lardman | mm would be fine now with always on connection |
| 22:18.55 | javispedro | I too prefer offline autorouting. |
| 22:19.17 | lardman | would be good to have location of contacts (says he thinking about his accursed abook code) |
| 22:19.22 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Maemo Mapper is something we're likely to get |
| 22:19.30 | GeneralAntilles | and likely to have the ability to provide input on. |
| 22:19.31 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Oh, if you do look at it, it has a trial rather like Garnet VM... |
| 22:19.53 | javispedro | no, navicore is a more serious one |
| 22:19.59 | javispedro | well, relatively. |
| 22:20.28 | Andrewfbl | I just hate to lose all the money I paid for navicore |
| 22:20.45 | javispedro | Navit dammit! |
| 22:20.56 | Firebird | javispedro, any idea how I could keep SDL1.3 separate from 1.2? Right now, it just overwrites all files |
| 22:21.03 | qwerty12_N810 | Note to self: One is not better off running hildon-home as root |
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| 22:21.09 | javispedro | Firebird: you mean -dev package? |
| 22:21.44 | javispedro | cause libs already work here |
| 22:22.00 | Firebird | javispedro, doesn't the lib overwrite? |
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| 22:22.17 | javispedro | Firebird: /usr/lib/libSDL-1.3.so.0.0.0 , /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0.11.1 |
| 22:22.35 | anidel | qwerty12_n810 what are you trying to do with it? |
| 22:22.37 | Firebird | oh... |
| 22:22.42 | lardman | anyone know why this: sprintf(data, "0%s", data); has turned data into a bunch of 0s? |
| 22:22.49 | javispedro | -dev packages are another story... |
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| 22:23.20 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: Writing a replacement for the operator name widget |
| 22:23.27 | anidel | lardman what was in data before that? |
| 22:23.38 | lardman | a barcode |
| 22:23.39 | anidel | qwerty: why? |
| 22:23.45 | anidel | mm |
| 22:23.55 | lardman | 731453080423 to be exact |
| 22:23.55 | qwerty12_N810 | anidel: Want to show my own thing there =) |
| 22:24.03 | Firebird | javispedro, could just move it to /usr/include/SDL13, would that work? |
| 22:24.06 | timeless_mbp | Â lardman: you're trying to prepend a 0 to a string? |
| 22:24.10 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:24.11 | timeless_mbp | you might want to consider memmove |
| 22:24.25 | lardman | is that considered better form? |
| 22:24.32 | lardman | fine by me if so |
| 22:24.41 | anidel | lardman: was 0 or \0, I mean what you wrote here is correct, is it? |
| 22:24.47 | timeless_mbp | http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/clibrary/cstring/memmove/ |
| 22:24.53 | javispedro | Firebird: I've not read the details, but, anyway: there's a sdl-config script. You probably need to rename it to sdl13-config and patch it so that it returns correct path. |
| 22:25.09 | lardman | anidel: came out as all 0 |
| 22:25.14 | timeless_mbp | lardman: i think you basically ate your own tail |
| 22:25.22 | lardman | timeless_mbp: ok, will take a look |
| 22:25.35 | timeless_mbp | > Copies the values of num bytes from the location pointed by source to the memory block pointed by destination. Copying takes place as if an intermediate buffer was used, allowing the destination and source to overlap. |
| 22:25.40 | lardman | hmm, should have been null terminated though |
| 22:25.43 | timeless_mbp | the key is that last clause about overlapping |
| 22:25.57 | timeless_mbp | imagine a naive implementation which does this: |
| 22:26.09 | timeless_mbp | get pointer for output |
| 22:26.16 | timeless_mbp | get first character from new string "0" |
| 22:26.17 | anidel | yeah you started copying 0 and then started reading 0 |
| 22:26.19 | lardman | yeah I understand |
| 22:26.22 | timeless_mbp | write first character from new string to ... |
| 22:27.22 | anidel | so it first write 0 to data[0] then reads data[0] to put it in data[1] |
| 22:27.23 | anidel | and so on |
| 22:27.30 | anidel | *writes |
| 22:27.44 | lardman | ok, fail on my part |
| 22:27.46 | lardman | :) |
| 22:27.49 | Firebird | javispedro, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/libsdl13/ |
| 22:27.59 | timeless_mbp | it's a valuable lesson |
| 22:28.04 | javispedro | ah, thanks Firebird! |
| 22:28.06 | anidel | computers always do what you tell them, not what you want them to do :) |
| 22:28.09 | lardman | I blame the Americans for having 12 char UPC codes rather than 13 char EANs ;) |
| 22:28.17 | anidel | ehehe |
| 22:28.27 | Firebird | javispedro, I think I only changed like one file in video/X11 |
| 22:28.28 | timeless_mbp | lardman: fwiw, having a 15 char buffer w/ the first char being a 0 and the last 2 being 0s |
| 22:28.34 | timeless_mbp | and starting at char 1 |
| 22:28.37 | timeless_mbp | would let you cheat |
| 22:28.47 | lardman | true |
| 22:28.51 | timeless_mbp | just change your pointer to start at char 0 when you hit an american code |
| 22:29.00 | anidel | much faster |
| 22:29.06 | javispedro | Firebird: understandable. but a start is a start! :) |
| 22:29.27 | javispedro | probably, with the vaporware 3D drivers, we can even use it in N810. |
| 22:30.48 | javispedro | Forceware Vaporware Drivers. It's funny. Laugh. |
| 22:30.57 | Firebird | javispedro, when does that come? Its been two weeks since the announcement |
| 22:31.29 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I wouldn't recommend stand up comedy as a career :) |
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| 22:32.04 | javispedro | Firebird: dunno. I am asking myself the same. |
| 22:32.39 | lardman | anyone know of a gstreamer element that allows you to chop off the edges of your image> |
| 22:32.40 | lardman | ? |
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| 22:33.03 | Firebird | stands and says "You Lie" in the direction of TI in the voice of Rep Joe Wilson |
| 22:35.10 | anidel | not me lardman |
| 22:35.14 | derf | lardman: videocrop? |
| 22:35.27 | lardman | derf: sounds promising |
| 22:35.39 | derf | http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-good-plugins/html/gst-plugins-good-plugins-videocrop.html |
| 22:35.44 | anidel | lardman, you know that in italian "lardo" is "fat" ? I read your nickname and I think of fatman |
| 22:35.50 | anidel | not that it is bad... |
| 22:36.05 | lardman | anidel: indeed, same in English ;) |
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| 22:37.21 | anidel | indeed? didn't know :p |
| 22:37.54 | lardman | more to do with cooking lard though in my case, though I am cultivating my beer belly, as I could only cook eggs & bacon when I went to uni |
| 22:37.56 | anidel | new word (easy one) learned |
| 22:38.26 | anidel | lardman we use lard instead of oil to cook pizza in some places.. very good |
| 22:39.16 | lardman | yep, so s/lardo/lard and you're there for the Italian->English translation, but only for food, or being rude |
| 22:39.49 | lardman | what about gordo? Or is that my vague recollection of Spanish? |
| 22:39.54 | anidel | same in italian for rudeness |
| 22:40.14 | anidel | ingordo.. greedy |
| 22:40.21 | anidel | voracious... |
| 22:40.23 | javispedro | yep, Gordo is fat too. |
| 22:40.27 | anidel | ? that 'gordo'? |
| 22:40.51 | javispedro | "un gordo" is "a fat person". |
| 22:41.04 | anidel | spanish then? |
| 22:41.08 | GeneralAntilles | i.e., lardman |
| 22:41.08 | javispedro | literyep |
| 22:41.12 | anidel | eheh |
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| 22:57.17 | Flandry | i step away for a few mintues and this degenerates into a discussion of Spanish grammar |
| 22:58.32 | lardman | hmm, cropping isn't ideal |
| 22:58.33 | lardman | too slow |
| 22:59.00 | javispedro | Flandry: well, nobody expects the Spanish Grammer Inquisition. |
| 22:59.10 | Flandry | ha |
| 22:59.16 | javispedro | Slowly stepping up in my stand up comedy career. |
| 22:59.20 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: "grammar" |
| 22:59.23 | qwerty12_N810 | hides |
| 22:59.29 | lardman | lol |
| 22:59.33 | lardman | +1 qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:59.36 | Flandry | lol |
| 22:59.53 | Flandry | so, my app made it through the autobuilder |
| 22:59.55 | javispedro | typo of course :) |
| 23:00.16 | Flandry | someone with an N900 needs to see if the default controls will work |
| 23:00.24 | qwerty12_N810 | Anyone with an N900: Does "dbus-send --print-reply --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net Phone.Net.get_operator_name" also return "can't find method"? |
| 23:00.28 | Myrtti | *BURP* |
| 23:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, well, they are Spanish. ;) |
| 23:00.42 | qwerty12_N810 | Ha |
| 23:00.50 | timeless_mbp | qwerty: gah |
| 23:01.06 | Flandry | i don't get it |
| 23:01.13 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs a fun way to kill time: http://altitudegame.com/ |
| 23:02.12 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: yes |
| 23:02.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, timeless_mbp |
| 23:02.22 | javispedro | Java game! Call in the Java Grammer Inquisition. |
| 23:02.28 | qwerty12_N810 | *grumbles* |
| 23:03.03 | Firebird | aww, no java |
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| 23:04.48 | range | What's even worse. |
| 23:04.53 | range | No COBOL either. |
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| 23:06.21 | lardman | hey BBNS |
| 23:06.32 | lardman | I don't suppose you know how to enable macro mode do you? |
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| 23:09.44 | BBNS | lardman: nope. o_o |
| 23:09.56 | lardman | np, auto focus is working |
| 23:10.01 | lardman | thanks |
| 23:10.05 | BBNS | lardman: oh wait, macro mode? |
| 23:10.09 | lardman | yeah |
| 23:10.13 | BBNS | lardman: try camerabin |
| 23:10.17 | lardman | hmm |
| 23:10.23 | lardman | it didn't seem to like me |
| 23:10.27 | BBNS | lardman: i think there is code for that. |
| 23:10.36 | lardman | yeah, there is code in libgdigicam |
| 23:10.56 | lardman | but I want a straight through pipeline, with no previews, etc., and I couldn't get it to play ball |
| 23:11.12 | BBNS | not even trace the code of camerabin? |
| 23:11.15 | lardman | well actually not quite straight through, I have a tee and two queues |
| 23:11.20 | BBNS | it's inside gstreamer-camera |
| 23:11.29 | BBNS | ah ok. |
| 23:11.36 | lardman | gst-photography? |
| 23:11.43 | BBNS | yeah |
| 23:11.58 | BBNS | and gstreamer0.10-camera, that's the package name. |
| 23:12.08 | BBNS | or something like that. |
| 23:12.13 | lardman | would be good to see some example code, couldn't get libgdigicam to do anything useful |
| 23:12.27 | BBNS | forget about libgdigicam. |
| 23:12.39 | lardman | I tried a straight swap for my pipeline to the camera-bin. but wasn't really too happy with it |
| 23:12.39 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 23:12.42 | BBNS | go to gstreamer plug-in itself. |
| 23:12.53 | lardman | ok, will take a look at the source code |
| 23:12.58 | BBNS | and try to extract the element you need. |
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| 23:13.16 | BBNS | you can reorganize the pipeline. |
| 23:13.25 | pupnik_ | lardman do you determine orientation of barcode plane, or somehow manage to extract the info wiout determining it |
| 23:14.06 | lardman | ah, set scene mode, nice |
| 23:14.18 | lardman | pupnik_: depends on the barcode type |
| 23:14.38 | lardman | for 1D is not so important, for 2D is - talk to derf who wrote the QR code decoder |
| 23:15.03 | pupnik_ | wow |
| 23:15.28 | pupnik_ | thats giving something back |
| 23:17.40 | derf | pupnik_: QR codes have finder patterns which can be pretty reliably located regardless of the plane orientation. |
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| 23:17.52 | derf | Sadly, there's only 3 of them, and you really need four. |
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| 23:36.54 | pupnik_ | whoah nice. add-on device eletronically alternates polarization of lcd projector beam offset by 90 degrees. turn normal projector into 3d projector with passive glasses |
| 23:37.04 | pupnik_ | http://www.depthq.com/modulator.html?gclid=CLPRx-Dv250CFVBd4wodpGwtrA |
| 23:37.12 | pupnik_ | someone finally made a product out of that |
| 23:37.49 | Firebird | mmm, why does the autobuilder build slower than my computer :o |
| 23:38.02 | timeless_mbp | are you sharing? |
| 23:38.23 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: hey, what ever happened to that gettext package you had? |
| 23:38.28 | timeless_mbp | the one i wanted in extras-devel |
| 23:38.42 | Firebird | timeless_mbp, was under the impression it built one thing at a time, hence the queue? |
| 23:38.54 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: The one I had is the one you can find in the SDK repo... |
| 23:39.05 | timeless_mbp | i thought it cheated and built a couple of things in parallel for unrelated people |
| 23:39.16 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: yeah, but i want it in extras-devel |
| 23:39.21 | timeless_mbp | so i don't have to ruin people's devices :) |
| 23:39.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah |
| 23:39.43 | timeless_mbp | the sdk reop is so utterly broken |
| 23:39.48 | timeless_mbp | it really shouldn't exist |
| 23:39.54 | qwerty12_N810 | It's not even current :( |
| 23:42.19 | lardman | New mBarcode code here: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/mbarcode/test/ |
| 23:42.31 | lardman | working autofocus and macro, thanks BBNS |
| 23:42.43 | GeneralAntilles | code177, you do realize Extras is, like, right there, right? |
| 23:42.45 | lardman | need to debianise and move Amazon webscraping to AWS |
| 23:43.48 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: if you gave me the .changes file |
| 23:43.48 | lardman | and fix N8x0 building too.... |
| 23:43.59 | timeless_mbp | is that sufficient for me to use w/ the files i got from apt-get source from the sdk repo? |
| 23:44.33 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: If you already did an apt-get source on it, just go into the folder and "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -sa -i" |
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| 23:45.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Just make sure that it is the one from the SDK repo, or Bad Things will happen |
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| 23:46.19 | pupnik_ | congrats lardman |
| 23:46.41 | BBNS | lardman: nice! thanks =) so it's in camerabin pipeline? |
| 23:46.52 | BBNS | how you switch to marco mode? |
| 23:47.30 | lardman | gst_photography_set_scene_mode (GST_PHOTOGRAPHY (appdata->camera_src), GST_PHOTOGRAPHY_SCENE_MODE_CLOSEUP); |
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| 23:47.44 | BBNS | ah nice. so same api. |
| 23:47.47 | lardman | but no, still a normal pipeline, didn't have to change that |
| 23:47.54 | lardman | yeah same api, is good :) |
| 23:48.10 | BBNS | got it. =) need someone to document it. otherwise it's easy to forget. |
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| 23:48.28 | BBNS | would you mind writing it down? i guess phtography is very handy api. |
| 23:48.29 | lardman | I'll do so, once I've got the above items sorted out |
| 23:48.39 | lardman | np |
| 23:48.44 | BBNS | thanks! =) very appreciated it. |
| 23:48.49 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i can't get the build deps happy |
| 23:49.02 | lardman | anyway, must go to bed now |
| 23:49.11 | lardman | BBNS: thanks for your help |
| 23:49.14 | lardman | night all |
| 23:49.15 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Grr, use the SDK, already... |
| 23:49.18 | BBNS | gnite, lardman |
| 23:49.19 | qwerty12_N810 | night lardman |
| 23:49.24 | BBNS | np. =] |
| 23:49.37 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 23:49.43 | timeless_mbp | but i don't like the sdk! |
| 23:49.47 | xnt14 | just got a crappy q-see dvr.... |
| 23:49.54 | timeless_mbp | hrm, url for the sdk-vm? |
| 23:49.58 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless: Like Or Die =) |
| 23:49.58 | xnt14 | apparently it looks like it runs linux |
| 23:50.08 | timeless_mbp | bah, fix zenity already |
| 23:50.14 | timeless_mbp | pokes lbt |
| 23:50.22 | xnt14 | qwerty12_N810, want to try to help me get a shell? |
| 23:50.40 | lbt | sorry timeless_mbp, out of time for tonight... poke me again tomorrow night? |
| 23:50.54 | timeless_mbp | lbt: hrm |
| 23:50.58 | lbt | OTOH my local OBS installed and runs now :) |
| 23:51.01 | qwerty12_N810 | xnt14: Sorry, even if I knew what I was doing, DBus-GLib is keeping me busy |
| 23:51.03 | timeless_mbp | zenity should really have just installed |
| 23:51.10 | timeless_mbp | it's available in the extras-devel repo |
| 23:51.10 | lbt | *nod* |
| 23:51.11 | xnt14 | :/ |
| 23:51.12 | timeless_mbp | which you had |
| 23:51.13 | xnt14 | ah well |
| 23:51.27 | timeless_mbp | goes to pokes builder |
| 23:51.31 | lbt | plus the battery is crying now |
| 23:51.38 | lbt | night |
| 23:51.41 | xnt14 | hmm a port scan reveals nothing... |
| 23:51.44 | qwerty12_N810 | night lbt |
| 23:51.48 | xnt14 | hmm http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/q_see_hack/ |
| 23:51.56 | timeless_mbp | sleep well |
| 23:51.59 | timeless_mbp | try again in the morning |
| 23:52.13 | lbt | yeah, night all.... just posted an anti-ovi to planet too.... |
| 23:52.30 | lbt | go thumb it up!! |
| 23:52.32 | lbt | and comment |
| 23:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | Ooh |
| 23:52.41 | GeneralAntilles | I wont even proof this one first! |
| 23:52.47 | xnt14 | lol 123456 as a root passwd :P |
| 23:52.57 | lbt | may take a bit to appear |
| 23:53.11 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: Is it in camelCase? =) |
| 23:53.11 | pupnik_ | what niche does planet serve |
| 23:53.29 | lbt | it's more an "I'm so disapointed in you :(" post.... |
| 23:53.35 | lbt | much more cutting ;) |
| 23:53.55 | lbt | qwerty12_N810: GeneralAntilles wouldn't like that |
| 23:53.55 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at baloo's post. |
| 23:53.58 | GeneralAntilles | What did they expect? |
| 23:54.06 | lbt | yeah |
| 23:54.08 | qwerty12_N810 | lbt: Grr, that damn General |
| 23:54.12 | GeneralAntilles | Journalists are stupid. |
| 23:54.23 | lbt | have you seen the BBC blog page though |
| 23:54.34 | lbt | *lots* of attention |
| 23:54.43 | lbt | and they like attention |
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| 23:55.59 | airstrike | hello |
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| 23:56.27 | pupnik_ | an app store is a good thing, not a bad thing |
| 23:56.41 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, er, Maps. |
| 23:57.13 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: So, must I terminate you? =) |
| 23:57.22 | pupnik_ | the maps worked ok for me. what is problem? |
| 23:57.32 | pupnik_ | except for that first gps lock |
| 23:57.39 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, it's useless garbage. |
| 23:57.47 | GeneralAntilles | Slow, unusable garbage. |
| 23:57.57 | fiferboy | No, shot went well |
| 23:58.02 | pupnik_ | i guess i never tried anything 'good' then |
| 23:58.17 | pupnik_ | except in the cars i was in, which are better at tracking |
| 23:58.19 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: By the way, I am going to start writing all my programs in python... |
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| 23:58.35 | qwerty12_N810 | gets the AK ready |
| 23:58.45 | pupnik_ | offers fiferboy a lifetime supply of heroin |
| 23:59.00 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: There's your answer. =) |
| 23:59.07 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_ is high |
| 23:59.20 | pupnik_ | no i am hungry for something besides leftover sphaghetti |
| 23:59.30 | pupnik_ | the joke was to keep him from coding python |
| 23:59.58 | fiferboy | My joke was the flu shot was driving me to code python |
