| 00:06.03 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 00:07.09 | guysoft42 | yay, got it: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14877 |
| 00:07.34 | johnx | rm_you, http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106262236872679344931.0004740e1bd58b4da44eb&ll=52.342891,4.810638&spn=0.100888,0.193977&z=12 |
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| 00:10.04 | MrGoose | if theres one consistent theme of this channel it has got to be that people come here to talk about what they said/read on some forums |
| 00:10.36 | johnx | MrGoose, yeah. I mentioned that in a thread on t.m.o. let me find the link... |
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| 00:11.51 | Macer | blah |
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| 00:14.12 | guysoft42 | did not work.. |
| 00:14.26 | johnx | define: "did not work.." |
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| 00:16.00 | Macer | ok |
| 00:16.01 | Macer | wtf |
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| 00:16.10 | johnx | Macer, hmm? |
| 00:20.00 | guysoft42 | johnx, it has usb serial, but i also need cdc_acm,ko |
| 00:20.14 | guysoft42 | i can compile it, but i cant seem to google the source |
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| 00:20.36 | johnx | isn't it part of the regular linux kernel? |
| 00:20.45 | johnx | eep. might be only in a later version though |
| 00:21.48 | guysoft42 | johnx, yes, where do i find that? |
| 00:22.04 | johnx | the linux source? |
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| 00:25.45 | guysoft42 | johnx, that specific module, yes |
| 00:25.57 | guysoft42 | johnx, in a way that will be easy to compile for the maemo |
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| 00:26.10 | johnx | it might not be easy to compile for maemo |
| 00:26.26 | johnx | have you made sure it's not there in the 2.6.21 source you have? |
| 00:26.35 | johnx | (checked through make menuconfig) |
| 00:26.38 | guysoft42 | johnx, no.. |
| 00:26.43 | johnx | if it's not there, it won't be easy |
| 00:26.50 | guysoft42 | johnx, lets look |
| 00:28.14 | GAN8001 | Hrm, what does the grounded EU plug loog like? |
| 00:29.41 | johnx | GAN800, I think we used a two-prong plug last time. no grounding |
| 00:32.59 | guysoft42 | johnx, i dont seem to have the source of the kernel in the scratch box |
| 00:33.09 | guysoft42 | johnx, where is it suppose to come from? |
| 00:33.55 | johnx | apt-get source kernel-source-diablo |
| 00:34.06 | johnx | this might also be helpful |
| 00:34.07 | johnx | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node12.html |
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| 00:41.43 | Silverhound_424 | my questions are these: 1. Is Mer development still viable (for N8x0)? 2. Will hardware acceleration be implemented (for N8x0)? |
| 00:42.04 | johnx | 1. yes |
| 00:42.25 | johnx | 2. it *should* be, and Nokia is trying to make it happen, but we'll have to wait and see |
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| 00:44.04 | Silverhound_424 | does liqbase implement hardware acceleration? |
| 00:44.51 | johnx | it uses the graphics scaler built into the x server |
| 00:46.07 | johnx | there's lots of "hardware acceleration" available on the N8x0, and most of it is usable. 3D hardware acceleration is the only thing missing right now (and the IVA). |
| 00:48.03 | Silverhound_424 | Thanks johnx. Acceleration is available and useable, but is it actually used in current software (OS2008)? |
| 00:48.20 | johnx | what do you mean by "acceleration"? |
| 00:49.08 | johnx | there's mp3 decoding acceleration, video scaling acceleration, sound mixing in hardware. you need to be specific or I can't guess what you're talking about... |
| 00:49.28 | Silverhound_424 | I assume acceleration means offloading graphics from the cpu to a separate graphics processor. |
| 00:50.07 | lcuk | the hardware exists. no usable driver has stepped forward. |
| 00:50.12 | johnx | well, yes. but there are many types of graphics acceleration |
| 00:50.30 | johnx | we have accelerated video scaling. we don't have accelerated 3D |
| 00:50.54 | lcuk | we have hardware rotation |
| 00:51.00 | lcuk | when it works |
| 00:51.48 | Silverhound_424 | I see your points. Is graphic acceleration the main acceleration feature needed to speed up the N8x0? |
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| 00:52.51 | lcuk | no, i work in the yuv color plane |
| 00:52.57 | johnx | hardware 3D acceleration is needed to make 3D render faster. It won't help things that aren't using it |
| 00:53.10 | lcuk | my perception of normality differs to a regular x11 app |
| 00:53.50 | johnx | lcuk is using yuv output (which is part of the video scaler) to render his stuff fast, but normal apps would have to be rewritten to take advantage of that |
| 00:54.05 | lcuk | im working on that part.. |
| 00:54.16 | johnx | Silverhound_424, I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to get at... |
| 00:54.28 | kynky | 3d acceleration can speed up things not using it, by freeing up resources that would otherwise be used |
| 00:54.34 | pupnik | there is no exactly |
| 00:54.45 | guysoft42 | johnx, any solution to this?: /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set |
| 00:54.49 | lcuk | mmm kynde ? |
| 00:55.14 | guysoft42 | found IRC logs with people giving a solution with qemu, does not help |
| 00:55.14 | lcuk | the app still has to draw itself to a surface somewhere |
| 00:55.21 | pupnik | you can set that with sbox config iirc |
| 00:55.43 | lcuk | guysoft42, nuke it from orbit. i think that answer is in the faq |
| 00:55.54 | lcuk | at least i hope it is |
| 00:55.59 | lcuk | i direct so many people there |
| 00:56.13 | lcuk | ive heard of the problem before and think ive had it myself |
| 00:56.21 | johnx | kynky, fair enough, but only when 3D rendering is involved in some way, which is almost never in Maemo 4 |
| 00:56.28 | pupnik | speaking of nuking from orbit. someone should write a tablet-friendly netrek clone |
| 00:56.45 | Silverhound_424 | johnx - I guess I am wondering if my N8x0 will ever be signinficantly faster than it is today. |
| 00:56.58 | pupnik | no |
| 00:57.13 | johnx | nope |
| 00:57.17 | kynky | johnx, these days gpu is used for more things than just graphix, look at seti at home for instance, you can do some powerful maths on it, |
| 00:57.19 | johnx | it might be slower and have more features available, but this is as fast as it gets |
| 00:57.49 | johnx | kynky, yup. I was pretty much just talking about the tablets though |
| 00:58.35 | GeneralAntilles | kynde, a PowerVR MBX aint exactly a modern PCIe graphics card. ;) |
| 00:59.45 | kynky | its a resource, if you can use it, do it |
| 00:59.56 | kynky | just have to think outside the box |
| 01:00.07 | kynky | thats where the bes ideas come from |
| 01:00.11 | kynky | best* |
| 01:00.53 | johnx | kynky, do you do a lot of GPU-based programming? |
| 01:00.55 | kynky | look at the ossciloscope, thats where computer games came from (tennis) |
| 01:02.09 | kynky | johnx, nope, just do reading, but the nvidia stuff is interesting |
| 01:02.38 | johnx | kynky, this isn't anything like a modern nvidia card |
| 01:02.39 | johnx | this is a lot more like an 1st or 2nd gen PowerVR |
| 01:03.52 | johnx | a lot of your comments do apply to the DSP, which is where the bulk of optimization work is being done |
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| 01:04.28 | lcuk | personally think the cpu copes admirably |
| 01:04.44 | kynky | really wants a n900 |
| 01:05.03 | lcuk | holds his n900 a little closer tonight :P |
| 01:05.18 | kynky | lol |
| 01:05.41 | kynky | i'll get you next time gadget |
| 01:06.04 | johnx | lcuk, it'll be especially hot once we turn on vfp :D |
| 01:06.04 | johnx | now, don't think I'm badmouthing the PowerVR. It's just about the coolest rendering architecture ever. if you do like reading about this kind of stuff, it's totally a head trip |
| 01:06.32 | johnx | I mean, it doesn't even have a z-buffer! |
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| 01:06.39 | Tadthebuilder | lcuk are you rubbing it in peoples faces that you have n900... |
| 01:06.43 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 01:06.49 | Tadthebuilder | Its okay I would to |
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| 01:07.05 | lcuk | is developing on n810 this evening |
| 01:07.12 | lcuk | i have no need for accelerometers |
| 01:07.32 | lcuk | i found where i stashed all my other code |
| 01:08.10 | Tadthebuilder | well thats goos |
| 01:08.13 | Tadthebuilder | good* |
| 01:08.19 | Tadthebuilder | what are you working on if I may ask?. |
| 01:08.49 | lcuk | my presentation as it happens |
| 01:08.51 | johnx | also, what are you doing up so late, if I may ask? |
| 01:08.58 | lcuk | why it would need a parser - i dont know ;) |
| 01:09.01 | johnx | ah, presentation, say no more :) |
| 01:09.36 | Tadthebuilder | I might send you some candy when you get the ebook reader in liqbase playground haha |
| 01:09.53 | lcuk | :) |
| 01:09.59 | lcuk | strange where you find things |
| 01:10.06 | Tadthebuilder | where was it? |
| 01:10.12 | lcuk | for the presentation, its page based |
| 01:10.24 | lcuk | and ive been walking round the house paging through it |
| 01:10.29 | lcuk | with just a little thumb wiggle |
| 01:10.33 | lcuk | nice and easy :) |
| 01:10.46 | Tadthebuilder | I pace when I prepare for speaking engangements as well |
| 01:10.53 | lcuk | and i thought about using the ui for the book reader |
| 01:10.56 | Tadthebuilder | (I also have a tendency to pace when giving them, need to work on that) |
| 01:11.06 | Tadthebuilder | that would be pretty cool |
| 01:11.23 | lcuk | indeed :) |
| 01:11.36 | Tadthebuilder | just the integrated note taking thing |
| 01:11.41 | Tadthebuilder | Its a holy greil to me |
| 01:11.55 | Tadthebuilder | convert some Bible translations to work it in and It would be awesome... |
| 01:12.02 | lcuk | haha - i have one page of the presentation marked for "notes" |
| 01:12.07 | lcuk | guess what i can do with it ;) |
| 01:12.20 | Tadthebuilder | take notes on it? |
| 01:12.23 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:13.22 | Tadthebuilder | Im willing to beta test (or alpha) ill bug report.... |
| 01:13.33 | Tadthebuilder | (oh by the way I emailed you like you asked) |
| 01:13.37 | lcuk | i need to put the map into it and stuff yet |
| 01:13.43 | lcuk | yeah, i know :) |
| 01:14.36 | Tadthebuilder | kk |
| 01:14.54 | Tadthebuilder | isnt it like 3 am.... |
| 01:15.01 | lcuk | i wonder how scalable OSC will be |
| 01:15.09 | lcuk | thinks it will be tested next week |
| 01:15.20 | lcuk | 215 |
| 01:15.55 | Tadthebuilder | your pacing is not keeping your wife and kids up eh? |
| 01:16.11 | lcuk | paces with silent feet |
| 01:16.37 | SpeedEvil | ponders if lcuk is spiderpig. |
| 01:16.42 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:18.20 | johnx | nah, he's the last British ninja |
| 01:18.40 | lcuk | o_O |
| 01:18.45 | lcuk | jealous! |
| 01:19.23 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:21.40 | Tadthebuilder | why did I let my self get dragged into the closed source is evil argument? |
| 01:22.07 | Proteous | n00b mistake |
| 01:22.08 | johnx | because you're secretly a communist |
| 01:24.10 | Tadthebuilder | definitly not a commie |
| 01:24.13 | Tadthebuilder | Karl would not of gotten along with me |
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| 01:25.40 | Tadthebuilder | I reject the kantian ethics of duty that Karl borrowed heavily from... |
| 01:28.11 | Tadthebuilder | (and the religion=opiate thing) |
| 01:28.23 | Tadthebuilder | but anyway....I need to avoid such arguments cause they are pointless |
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| 01:35.43 | johnx | mmm....religions |
| 01:36.28 | BBNS | johnx, maemo cult? |
| 01:36.40 | johnx | it's only a cult until it gets mainstream |
| 01:37.11 | BBNS | iphone fanboys are too strong ... unbreakable. |
| 01:37.30 | johnx | nah, they just have better kool-aid |
| 01:37.42 | johnx | once the comet passes by we don't have to worry about them :) |
| 01:38.25 | BBNS | i don't worry at all. i just feel sympathy to them. |
| 01:39.00 | johnx | hey, it's not like some crazy cult leader brainwashed them at some random tech conference...oh wait |
| 01:39.22 | johnx | all joking aside, everyone needs to figure out the compromises they can live with |
| 01:39.30 | johnx | if people enjoy the iphone, more power to them |
| 01:40.20 | BBNS | i have written apps on both platforms. there are ugly and beauty on both side. but i lean to maemo now. |
| 01:40.32 | johnx | ah, that's very cool |
| 01:41.19 | BBNS | i think the only consideration i have ever received so far is ... there is no NFL or NCAA widget. |
| 01:41.31 | BBNS | american couldn't live without it. |
| 01:41.40 | johnx | I consider that a plus :) |
| 01:41.54 | johnx | BTW, are you using/involved with the objective-c on maemo project? |
| 01:42.06 | BBNS | i hate obj-c personally. |
| 01:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, don't be hateful. |
| 01:42.45 | BBNS | the autorelease pool randomnly dealloc objects drive me crazy ... |
| 01:42.51 | johnx | I'm just saying, I consider the lack of the apps a bonus, not the lack of the users |
| 01:43.11 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ^^ |
| 01:43.24 | BBNS | love & peace |
| 01:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe, Mer got a blog. |
| 01:43.56 | Tadthebuilder | where? |
| 01:44.01 | Tadthebuilder | I want to watch mer closely |
| 01:44.01 | johnx | huh? like a 3rd party blog? |
| 01:44.05 | GeneralAntilles | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/ |
| 01:44.10 | Tadthebuilder | typically when I read things about mer I get confused... |
| 01:44.13 | Tadthebuilder | but I want it to suceed so bad |
| 01:44.31 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, that's Stskeeps |
| 01:44.38 | johnx | follow mer-chatter/mer-activity |
| 01:45.20 | Tadthebuilder | what is this that I should follow? |
| 01:46.28 | johnx | Tadthebuilder, go here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 01:46.37 | johnx | check the RSS feed (in orange font) |
| 01:46.41 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 01:46.45 | johnx | add that RSS feed to your daily reading |
| 01:47.03 | Tadthebuilder | honestly most of it is like foreign languange to me |
| 01:47.19 | lcuk | it needs better entries |
| 01:47.25 | lcuk | 03:51 : stskeeps farted. |
| 01:48.06 | lcuk | Tadthebuilder, you are in a good place to follow mer |
| 01:48.06 | johnx | well, that's the most up-to-date feed of info |
| 01:48.14 | lcuk | a lot of the guys in there are in here |
| 01:48.15 | Tadthebuilder | like Im not dumb, just computer illiterate sorta. I follow the XKCD flow chart on using and problem solving with computers that was on their comic a couple days ago |
| 01:48.30 | lcuk | and theres a lot of crossover |
| 01:48.37 | Tadthebuilder | well thats good to know |
| 01:48.42 | Tadthebuilder | I just wish it was day to day usable |
| 01:48.50 | Tadthebuilder | I love my n800 and I want it to continue to be updated :) |
| 01:48.51 | johnx | yup, so do we |
| 01:48.52 | lcuk | well the devs hear you down here |
| 01:49.34 | lcuk | mer actually looks like a real operating system now. johnx remember the early screenies |
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| 01:49.56 | johnx | heh. mer was a lot of things before it's current incarnation |
| 01:50.07 | johnx | lots of trial and error, that was thankfully done early on |
| 01:50.14 | lcuk | i enjoyed watching the applications slowly grow |
| 01:50.24 | Tadthebuilder | (comic I was talking about: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tech_support_cheat_sheet.png ) |
| 01:50.36 | johnx | when it really gets usable, I think a lot of things are going to happen really fast |
| 01:52.05 | Tadthebuilder | its awesome that people are willing to do that sorta thing |
| 01:52.10 | Tadthebuilder | and share it....they could horde it |
| 01:52.44 | johnx | Tadthebuilder, it's a positive sum game mentality vs zero sum game mentality |
| 01:52.54 | Tadthebuilder | aye |
| 01:52.57 | Tadthebuilder | I realize this |
| 01:53.01 | lcuk | Tadthebuilder, it builds a stronger system for the future. built with good solid ideals |
| 01:53.13 | Tadthebuilder | true true |
| 01:53.16 | Tadthebuilder | im just thankful for them |
| 01:53.18 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:53.22 | lcuk | :) indeed |
| 01:53.25 | Tadthebuilder | I recognize that they arent doing it for me |
| 01:53.27 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:53.30 | Tadthebuilder | they are doing to for themselves |
| 01:53.33 | Tadthebuilder | and I happen to benefit |
| 01:53.38 | Tadthebuilder | nothing wrong with that though |
| 01:53.48 | lcuk | you also get to input and influence :) |
| 01:53.53 | Tadthebuilder | true |
| 01:53.55 | Tadthebuilder | sorta |
| 01:53.57 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:54.00 | Tadthebuilder | well I could I dont much |
| 01:54.09 | johnx | enlightened self interest + a little big of arrogance + Nokia funded travel ?= Mer |
| 01:54.10 | Tadthebuilder | but If I tried I could. |
| 01:54.11 | lcuk | dont underestimate yourself |
| 01:54.23 | lcuk | you talk about varied subjects and bring up points :) |
| 01:54.52 | lcuk | and you also like liqbase - so you must be right about some things ;) |
| 01:54.59 | johnx | and I'm sure you'll try once you have an itch to scratch |
| 01:55.07 | johnx | that's how this stuff works |
| 01:55.17 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 01:55.34 | johnx | I was a happy Maemo3/4 user for quite a while, but I eventually got pissed off at the dev environment and how hard it was to get packages in |
| 01:55.49 | lcuk | johnx, im still wondering that |
| 01:56.09 | johnx | the build system? |
| 01:56.20 | lcuk | no, the apps it needs |
| 01:56.36 | lcuk | i want the wiki to contain code |
| 01:56.39 | johnx | that mer needs from maemo, or that maemo/mer need from the rest of the world |
| 01:57.04 | Firebird | bah, why hasn't boost been pushed to testing/extras yet :( |
| 01:57.11 | lcuk | to make a new app by just adding to the wiki |
| 01:57.23 | lcuk | compilation on device is easy |
| 01:58.11 | Tadthebuilder | whats boost? |
| 01:58.34 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 01:58.37 | johnx | lcuk, code on a wiki? so like a web editor front-end to an svn repository? |
| 01:58.41 | johnx | lcuk, compilation in chroot is even easier :) |
| 01:58.52 | lcuk | its not tricky now |
| 01:59.28 | BBNS | Tadthebuilder, http://www.boost.org/ boost is a C++ library, STL alternation but way superior. |
| 01:59.40 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 01:59.58 | Tadthebuilder | what does that mean for the end user? |
| 02:00.03 | lcuk | johnx, user installable build system, "apt-get install build-essential libliqbase" |
| 02:00.18 | Tadthebuilder | (if you explain things like this too me I can explain it to others when they ask haha) |
| 02:00.21 | lcuk | an app to dive through the categories |
| 02:00.29 | Tadthebuilder | liqbase is awesome |
| 02:00.42 | lcuk | :D |
| 02:00.46 | BBNS | Tadthebuilder, it means you could write a way better C++ code because it gives better memory management and design patterns. |
| 02:00.57 | Tadthebuilder | does that mean |
| 02:01.10 | Tadthebuilder | that programs coded in c plus plus will run better? |
| 02:01.11 | BBNS | Tadthebuilder, many industrial companies forbid their developers using STL but only boost. |
| 02:01.29 | Tadthebuilder | or be easier to write? |
| 02:01.30 | BBNS | not on N900 or OMAP3 device though. |
| 02:01.35 | BBNS | it |
| 02:01.39 | BBNS | it's easier to write |
| 02:01.43 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 02:01.46 | Tadthebuilder | makes sense |
| 02:01.56 | BBNS | but requires compiler support / or optimization specific on device. |
| 02:02.20 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 02:02.27 | BBNS | so far GCC doesn't do very good job on optimization, especially the 2007q3 toolchain provided by scratchbox. |
| 02:02.39 | Tadthebuilder | kk |
| 02:02.53 | Tadthebuilder | (I used liqbase a couple days for taking notes in a meeting...and maybe a little doodling...) |
| 02:03.10 | johnx | lcuk, it's an interesting idea, especially for small patches |
| 02:03.10 | johnx | and the website could do the back-end stuff |
| 02:03.16 | johnx | then go out and sanity check your change, and trigger a rebuild on obs |
| 02:03.56 | Tadthebuilder | (code 177's n900 wallpaper site is pretty cool) |
| 02:04.14 | Tadthebuilder | (n900wallpapers.com if you have not seen it) |
| 02:04.44 | johnx | lcuk, obs is really close to that. I can chroot into my local build tree and build/test/run whatever I want, then copy the binary to my tablet |
| 02:04.59 | BBNS | if there is Final Fantasy wallpaper for N900 would be awesome. =P |
| 02:05.16 | Tadthebuilder | not yet |
| 02:05.21 | Tadthebuilder | but ive been playing final fantasy one |
| 02:05.25 | Tadthebuilder | I forgot how hard it was |
| 02:05.30 | Tadthebuilder | to figure out what to do next |
| 02:05.37 | Tadthebuilder | especially with the poor translation |
| 02:05.50 | Tadthebuilder | I love fighting grimps though |
| 02:06.13 | BBNS | used memory hack, and re-wrote the HP to 999999 or something almost overflow... |
| 02:07.10 | Tadthebuilder | gah |
| 02:07.14 | Tadthebuilder | I dont want to drive home... |
| 02:07.24 | Tadthebuilder | could there be a transporter app |
| 02:07.29 | Tadthebuilder | for the n900 that drives my car for me? |
| 02:07.33 | BBNS | johnx, you couldn't do that under scratchbox? |
| 02:07.49 | johnx | BBNS, well, you *almost* can |
| 02:08.36 | johnx | but scratchbox is vastly more complicated, and it's easy to muck up if you try replacing core parts of the toolchain |
| 02:08.56 | Firebird | eh, boost is "massive" |
| 02:09.00 | johnx | the amount of stuff that's "native" in it and the different filesystem views required to make it work are not really transparent to the user |
| 02:09.23 | BBNS | johnx, true. i messed up my scrtachbox while replacing the gcc :-/ and have to reinstall again. |
| 02:09.39 | johnx | and if you install a later python, it'll still try to use the sb python |
| 02:09.44 | Tadthebuilder | ( i just noticed the tags on the thread with the closed source is evil argument includes: Why isnt the gpl law? and zealots be here) |
| 02:10.41 | johnx | it basically starts with trying to make everything run under the host architecture unless it's overridden by the target arch |
| 02:10.43 | BBNS | johnx, i found that it's not a true emulator too. that if i wrote something in assembly, it would miserably crashed running under scratchbox. |
| 02:10.53 | johnx | well, that's a qemu problem |
| 02:11.01 | BBNS | ah i see. |
| 02:11.09 | johnx | we still have qemu issues from time to time, but the version we're using is much later |
| 02:11.18 | johnx | newer versions of qemu will probably handle it better too |
| 02:11.36 | BBNS | i hope to run OpenGL ES2 apps under scratchbox like on iPhone emulator eventually. |
| 02:11.41 | johnx | the OBS mentality is to *only* use host-native (cross) binaries for the stuff that takes absolutely the most time |
| 02:12.08 | johnx | so, lbt is working on: gcc, make, bash, and gzip for now I think |
| 02:12.17 | johnx | maybe a couple other things |
| 02:12.40 | Tadthebuilder | gnigh all |
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| 02:12.42 | Tadthebuilder | Im out |
| 02:12.46 | BBNS | Tadthebuilder, night |
| 02:12.46 | johnx | 'night Tadthebuilder |
| 02:12.48 | Tadthebuilder | lcuk you should probably get some sleep yourself |
| 02:12.58 | johnx | 7PM here :) |
| 02:13.04 | johnx | ah, lcuk |
| 02:13.06 | BBNS | johnx, maybe that's Qt for? i am not sure ... |
| 02:13.10 | johnx | yeah: go to sleep lcuk :) |
| 02:13.13 | Tadthebuilder | its 3 atleast where he is |
| 02:13.18 | Tadthebuilder | bye |
| 02:14.14 | lcuk | laughs |
| 02:14.14 | johnx | BBNS, hmm? lbt is working on the "acceleration" for OBS: ie using a host-native gcc while chrooted into an ARM system |
| 02:14.19 | lcuk | yes, maybe i should |
| 02:14.29 | lcuk | but jake is awake |
| 02:14.32 | lcuk | so i cant just yet |
| 02:16.02 | BBNS | johnx, i though Qt would allow you to forgot all those low-level details in the near future. |
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| 02:17.38 | BBNS | johnx, will Qt help? to make it more transparent to users on those toolchain part? |
| 02:18.13 | johnx | not ... really sure why it would |
| 02:18.22 | johnx | it's basically a scrathbox issue |
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| 02:19.05 | BBNS | nvm o_o my brain is sobering now. |
| 02:19.32 | BBNS | though scratchbox 2 is out. does it make any difference? |
| 02:19.47 | johnx | it's better than sb1 |
| 02:19.52 | johnx | and it's certainly an interesting idea |
| 02:20.15 | BBNS | Fremantle is still using sb1, any reason for that? |
| 02:20.26 | johnx | I think sb2 wasn't quite ready |
| 02:20.44 | johnx | basically OBS and SB2 take opposite sides of the coin in terms of how they feel about complexity |
| 02:21.02 | johnx | OBS works, and is simple, but very slow right now |
| 02:21.42 | johnx | it'll gradually get sped up with a couple host-arch binaries (gcc cross instead of emulated arm gcc) |
| 02:22.03 | BBNS | what's obs stand for actually? |
| 02:22.10 | johnx | opensuse build service |
| 02:22.18 | johnx | but just think of it as open build service |
| 02:22.26 | BBNS | ah ok. |
| 02:22.39 | johnx | it's definitely not opensuse specific |
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| 02:31.24 | pupnik | interestink |
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| 02:33.16 | BBNS | by the way, ISMAR 2009 is out. i am promoting argumented reality on maemo. |
| 02:33.31 | BBNS | for sneakpeak and video demos, you could reach here: http://gamesalfresco.com/ |
| 02:34.05 | BBNS | frankly most mobile AR apps are running on iPhone now. but i believe N900 is a game changer and more flexible. |
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| 03:24.16 | ShadowJK | BBNS, even without compass? |
| 03:25.50 | BBNS | ShadowJK, yes, even without compass. |
| 03:26.23 | BBNS | there are many techniques could overcome without compass, such as optical flow or PTAM from George Klein. |
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| 03:27.25 | BBNS | the tricky thing is how to do it fast, in practical real time. |
| 03:27.31 | ShadowJK | i suspect the "game changer" bit about N900 compared to other Nokia phones is that developing for it is a few magnitudes saner |
| 03:27.55 | zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3982763546/ |
| 03:27.57 | zerojay | :D |
| 03:28.38 | BBNS | i found its more easy to develop, much more friendly. i have wrote program on Symbian / Maemo and iPhone. Symbian is the most painful. |
| 03:29.07 | ShadowJK | zerojay, permission denied? |
| 03:29.07 | BBNS | where N900 is the most high end phone that Nokia has so far. |
| 03:29.40 | zerojay | Oh.. hang on. |
| 03:29.59 | zerojay | ShadowJK: Try again. |
| 03:30.07 | ShadowJK | I've written programs in python on s60, I can't imagine how painful it would be in C(++) on s60 |
| 03:30.33 | BBNS | zerojay, nice i love it! |
| 03:30.59 | BBNS | ShadowJK, very painful ... and i don't want to think again. =P |
| 03:31.04 | ShadowJK | What I never quite figured out about all these widgets... why are there so many different widgets, and why are they all so huge you'd never fit more than one or two :) |
| 03:31.54 | ShadowJK | hm, I guess that's not a fullscreen though |
| 03:32.17 | zerojay | That's quite far from full screen. |
| 03:32.27 | zerojay | 400x240. |
| 03:32.36 | zerojay | Cropped screenshot. |
| 03:32.55 | zerojay | Just takes up a corner together. |
| 03:32.58 | zerojay | Quite small. |
| 03:33.19 | ShadowJK | :) |
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| 04:55.42 | sshock | My Nokia N810 sometimes goes into a state where the keyboard is not active and I have to reboot to get them to work. |
| 04:55.54 | sshock | Anyone seen this or know what is going on and how to fix it? |
| 04:57.32 | sshock | I have noticed that during this time the blue charge light is oscillating on/off, which makes me think it is in some kind of a sleep state or something, but everything else works fine except the keyboard. |
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| 05:57.46 | sarower | hello all |
| 05:57.49 | sarower | good morning |
| 05:58.02 | sarower | I am facing a problem using camera API |
| 05:58.15 | sarower | GstElement * pipeLine; |
| 05:58.23 | sarower | compilation error! |
| 05:58.43 | sarower | ISO forbidds declaration of GstElement with no type |
| 05:58.51 | sarower | Any Clue or idea? |
| 05:59.00 | sarower | unexpected error |
| 05:59.07 | sarower | Strange error |
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| 06:02.07 | ENTERANICK | [W2I=000:u:0:000:] |
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| 06:36.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:36.53 | johnx | mornin' Jaffa |
| 06:37.33 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa, danielwilms |
| 06:37.59 | danielwilms | morning! |
| 06:38.42 | Macer | wonder how arm opensolaris is doing |
| 06:38.51 | Stskeeps | is still interested |
| 06:38.52 | Macer | zfs on an sd haha |
| 06:39.18 | Macer | i haven't checked in a while |
| 06:39.45 | johnx | looks like they're targeting qemu for now |
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| 06:41.23 | Macer | http://alexeremin.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-opensolaris-arm-release.html |
| 06:42.05 | Macer | This release support NEC Electronics's NaviEngine 1 (NE1) |
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| 06:42.16 | Macer | wow |
| 06:42.18 | johnx | ah, cool. |
| 06:42.33 | Macer | maybe i can use it on my n810 some day |
| 06:42.36 | Macer | :) |
| 06:42.43 | Stskeeps | i would much better like it on a sheevaplug tbh |
| 06:42.49 | johnx | I still don't understand the ZFS fetish... |
| 06:42.49 | Macer | or mer can swap over from linux to opensolaris |
| 06:42.53 | Macer | heh |
| 06:42.58 | Macer | zfs is great |
| 06:43.09 | johnx | ever used LVM2? |
| 06:43.11 | Macer | especially on large drives |
| 06:43.18 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:43.28 | Macer | zfs seemed better |
| 06:43.56 | johnx | so when will opensolaris arm be able to address a framebuffer? |
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| 06:44.07 | Macer | lvm still requires formatting the volumes with a traditional fs |
| 06:44.27 | johnx | I thought the major goal of ZFS was snapshots? |
| 06:45.05 | Macer | that too |
| 06:45.34 | Macer | but i suppose it evolved to an awesome fs |
| 06:46.04 | johnx | but no one can tell me why it's so much more awesome than LVM2+XFS or LVM2+<FS of the day> |
| 06:46.32 | Macer | i guess zfs is what the linux community is trying to rival with the btrfs stuff |
| 06:46.32 | Macer | grr |
| 06:47.05 | johnx | suppose so. I read about the design of BTRFS. Seems like a cool design |
| 06:47.46 | Macer | goddamn th |
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| 06:49.48 | MaceN8x0 | http://opensolaris.org/os/project/osarm/200805/installation/ |
| 06:49.49 | MaceN8x0 | wow |
| 06:49.51 | MaceN8x0 | well |
| 06:49.59 | MaceN8x0 | looks like it is going to be awhile |
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| 06:50.22 | MaceN8x0 | but i think it will be great to see opensolaris on arms |
| 06:50.34 | MaceN8x0 | hope they can get the powersaving going |
| 06:51.07 | johnx | MaceN8x0, if opensolaris ARM ever actually goes anywhere, I'll owe you a beer |
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| 07:33.14 | gomiam | ^ |
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| 07:45.04 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:45.21 | Stskeeps | you said that already |
| 07:45.33 | Jaffa | Did I? |
| 07:45.41 | Jaffa | Not today |
| 07:45.50 | Stskeeps | [08:38] <Jaffa> Morning, all |
| 07:46.27 | Jaffa | Nah |
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| 07:58.37 | pupnik | woglinde, can you add fullscreen toggle to qtny nx-client? |
| 07:58.46 | pupnik | qtnx |
| 07:59.51 | pupnik | how is mer on smartq btw |
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| 08:10.00 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 08:14.51 | tigert | hmm |
| 08:15.03 | RST38h | what? |
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| 08:18.26 | tigert | nothing |
| 08:18.33 | Stskeeps | morning tigert |
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| 08:54.41 | ensi | how can i install addressbook application inside the sdk? |
| 08:55.42 | andre__ | i don't think it is available for the sdk beta2 |
| 08:55.49 | johnx | I don't think you can |
| 08:56.13 | andre__ | the final sdk will have it included, though |
| 08:56.13 | johnx | interesting |
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| 08:56.20 | johnx | can you comment on the licensing? |
| 08:56.42 | andre__ | of what exactly? |
| 08:56.57 | johnx | the addressbook application |
| 08:57.07 | ensi | hmm the addresbook api is there though? |
| 08:57.16 | ensi | osso-abook and ebook? |
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| 08:58.56 | ensi | seem to be |
| 08:59.46 | andre__ | johnx, as far as i know osso-addressbook will be closed. not sure though |
| 09:00.06 | RST38h | but surely there will be some AIs? |
| 09:00.09 | RST38h | APIs |
| 09:00.25 | andre__ | eh, why not? |
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| 09:01.53 | ensi | hmm im working on something that needs contacts and theres no way to create contacts inside the scratchbox environment. does this mean that i have to create my own test app that can create contacts? |
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| 09:14.08 | wazd | Heya maemo |
| 09:14.41 | RST38h | heya wazd |
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| 09:14.46 | Stskeeps | lo wazd |
| 09:15.05 | RST38h | wazd: found that I was wrong, TI73 does not run yet. But TI83+ does =) |
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| 09:15.45 | wazd | RST38h: meh :) |
| 09:15.49 | RST38h | wazd: So, the right menu should enable TI83+ and keep TI73 blanked out for now (sorry, was stupid) |
| 09:18.43 | wazd | RST38h: np at all |
| 09:20.21 | Shapeshifter | shapeshifter@Tachychineta> scratchbox/login /home/shapeshifter/stuff/maemo |
| 09:20.21 | Shapeshifter | ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! |
| 09:20.30 | Shapeshifter | huh? |
| 09:20.41 | johnx | ah, looks like scrathbox isn't properly set up |
| 09:20.47 | johnx | you'll want to set that up properly |
| 09:20.49 | vesa | certainly sounds like it =) |
| 09:20.52 | Shapeshifter | looks like it. |
| 09:21.56 | wazd | Private detectives channel? :D |
| 09:22.03 | Shapeshifter | ahh scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl start as root did it. |
| 09:23.45 | RST38h | wazd: Oh, wait, I am wrong again |
| 09:23.59 | RST38h | beats his head |
| 09:24.45 | VDVsx | beats RST38h head too :P |
| 09:24.47 | wazd | RST38h: doh) |
| 09:24.55 | RST38h | wazd: The correct list of enabled buttons: 85,86,82,83,83+,73(disabled),83+SE <=== The 83+SE *works now* |
| 09:25.02 | RST38h | 83+ worked all the time |
| 09:25.23 | RST38h | 73 should be the same hw as 83+ but it does not work (and we have no faceplate for it too) |
| 09:25.46 | johnx | 73? |
| 09:25.49 | johnx | is that old or new? |
| 09:25.58 | RST38h | 84+/84+SE I have no firmware for and it looks like TI does not like it spread anyway |
| 09:26.14 | RST38h | johnx: 73 is a modification of 83+ made specifically for studying math |
| 09:27.10 | wazd | Is 73 enabled or disabled?) |
| 09:28.00 | RST38h | disable it in the menu please |
| 09:28.17 | RST38h | No reason to enable something that does not work |
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| 09:29.56 | wazd | rst38h: apple style :P |
| 09:30.16 | RST38h | heh 8) |
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| 09:34.14 | hendry | i need to get the latest diablo rootstrap SDK going. Can I get it going with http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ ? |
| 09:34.25 | hendry | or does maemo 5 === fremantle? |
| 09:34.34 | johnx | maemo 5 = fremantle |
| 09:34.42 | johnx | diablo = maemo 4.1.x |
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| 09:37.49 | hendry | can fremantle run on a N810? |
| 09:37.55 | Stskeeps | ~mer |
| 09:37.56 | infobot | methinks mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 09:40.39 | hendry | is mer supposed to be the answer to my question? |
| 09:40.54 | Stskeeps | yeah.. no official fremantle for n810 but mer is api backport and other things |
| 09:41.14 | wazd | Channel topic is an answer |
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| 09:41.23 | johnx | nokia won't be doing a fremantle release for the n8x0, so it's up to the community |
| 09:42.14 | hendry | mer does not seem to have images or a toolchain? or am i crap at navigating their website |
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| 09:42.46 | wazd | Second option |
| 09:43.59 | Stskeeps | hendry: we don't have a toolchain except for OBS :) some things are different |
| 09:43.59 | Stskeeps | brb |
| 09:46.41 | hendry | wtf. a third party cloud service for a build? What are you guys smoking! |
| 09:46.48 | Captain_Picard | http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/125471834446.jpg |
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| 09:48.02 | dneary | VDVsx: Ping? |
| 09:48.08 | dneary | Looks like we're doing the same thing at the same time again :) |
| 09:48.16 | Stskeeps | hendry: you can build locally too :) |
| 09:48.22 | VDVsx | dneary, pong |
| 09:48.24 | dneary | VDVsx: Gary Liquid is Gary Birkett, I think |
| 09:48.34 | VDVsx | dneary, yes |
| 09:48.40 | Stskeeps | hendry: it looks like we're smoking something but really, things are much saner than scratchbox |
| 09:48.53 | VDVsx | dneary, I added the correct name there ;) |
| 09:49.01 | hendry | Stskeeps: i must say, i disklike scratchbox |
| 09:49.40 | hendry | Stskeeps: though i need to demo proprietary code on a N810 and I can't upload proprietary code. |
| 09:49.40 | wazd | dneary: he's lcuk, Gary Birkett is like Tomas Anderson for Neo :D |
| 09:49.57 | Stskeeps | hendry: you can build locally just fine without upload |
| 09:50.18 | hendry | Stskeeps: just a gcc switch or using scratchbox? |
| 09:50.36 | dneary | VDVsx: So did I. Also redid the bio to be "he writes... he is..." instead of "I write... I'm" |
| 09:50.42 | dneary | Ah |
| 09:50.47 | dneary | Edit conflict on schedule too :) |
| 09:50.59 | VDVsx | bah |
| 09:51.30 | dneary | never mind |
| 09:51.46 | dneary | I should have known you'd be quick on the trigger |
| 09:51.48 | hendry | Stskeeps: can i see OTS built packages? do you have fresh builds of Webkit for e.g. for mer? |
| 09:51.54 | Stskeeps | hendry: basically user level qemu emulation has improved a lot lately. what it does is grab packages, make a chroot, build the package using qemu user level emulation. in next step it uses cross-compiler too. |
| 09:51.56 | VDVsx | dneary, lol |
| 09:52.19 | Stskeeps | hendry: sure, grab a OBS account and check Maemo:Mer:Devel |
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| 09:52.48 | pupnik | do you stay in chroot |
| 09:52.49 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build as well |
| 09:52.53 | pupnik | with obs |
| 09:52.59 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 09:53.24 | hendry | Stskeeps: ok, i want to setup this qeumu emulation and get building without obs too. do i just start from http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/qemu-armel-image ?? |
| 09:54.31 | Stskeeps | hendry: follow most of the instructions on Mer/Build and you can pretty much copy /usr/bin/qemu into a mer armel image and apt-get install build-essential |
| 09:54.40 | Stskeeps | but OBS does make things a lot easier.. |
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| 09:57.31 | wazd | VDVsx: heya, sorry, battery suddenly died yesterday :( |
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| 10:04.06 | Captain_Picard | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1816/ |
| 10:07.01 | lcuk | wazd, *facepalm* |
| 10:07.03 | lcuk | :D |
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| 10:08.18 | Myrtti | Captain_Picard: *facepalm* |
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| 10:15.52 | Shapeshifter | http://jamie-online.com/random-jamz/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/facepalm.jpg <- Captain_Picard |
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| 10:19.05 | Sho_ | lol |
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| 10:30.11 | Captain_Picard | Myrtti: http://media.photobucket.com/image/facepalm/BuckeyeDon/DoubleFacePalm.jpg |
| 10:30.16 | Captain_Picard | Sho_: |
| 10:30.18 | Captain_Picard | Shapeshifter: |
| 10:30.37 | Sho_ | good one |
| 10:36.38 | zerojay | RST38h: Can your emulators accept Bluetooth controllers (Wiimote, etc...)? |
| 10:37.17 | wazd | They accept LPT gamepads only) |
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| 10:44.29 | RST38h | zerojay: as long as these pose as keyboards, yes |
| 10:46.55 | VDVsx | RST38h, that means that I can use, my n810 (with D-PAD) as a controller for an N900 running your emus ;) |
| 10:47.40 | RST38h | VDVsx: You probably can but remember that HIDs lag on Maemo, at least in Diablo |
| 10:48.09 | wjt | VDVsx: or you could tape your N810 to your N900 and have a makeshift Nintendo DS!@ |
| 10:48.26 | VDVsx | wjt, lol |
| 10:49.45 | VDVsx | RST38h, if it doesn't lag on Fremantle will be fine ;) |
| 10:49.51 | lcuk | wjt, http://liqbase.net/double_tiny.JPG |
| 10:49.58 | wazd | You can basicaly use any phone as a controller and n900 as a console |
| 10:50.03 | wjt | haha |
| 10:50.05 | wjt | i'm so behind the times |
| 10:54.31 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/excellent.png |
| 10:57.31 | Captain_Picard | Stskeeps: nice? |
| 10:57.36 | Captain_Picard | you running Mer :) |
| 10:58.24 | Stskeeps | (my apologies for stealing a panoramic background, only one i had in store..) |
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| 11:02.08 | RST38h | VDVsx: There is no official HID support in Fremantle although unofficial support is there |
| 11:02.28 | RST38h | VDVsx: So, waiting for that Summit talk on how ot enable it (simply enabling bluez plugin apparently does not work) |
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| 11:02.45 | VDVsx | RST38h, seems to work ;) |
| 11:02.56 | VDVsx | RST38h, there's a page in the wiki about ti |
| 11:02.57 | VDVsx | *it |
| 11:03.32 | VDVsx | RST38h, you only need to do two steps, enable the plugin and restart/start the bluez system |
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| 11:24.27 | aol_ | does anyone remember by hard the link for VMWare images for Maemo5 SDK |
| 11:25.54 | RST38h | scratches his hard |
| 11:26.36 | Stskeeps | ... |
| 11:26.58 | Stskeeps | i hope you mean head :) |
| 11:27.22 | aol_ | no, I meant heart :) |
| 11:27.34 | aol_ | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ might be correct one |
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| 11:41.53 | Stskeeps | wazd: if you get bored, a mer theme panoramic background |
| 11:44.59 | thux | old maemo got fm radio doesn't it? can some app record it? |
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| 11:55.12 | _berto_ | did you guys see the N900 ad in the streets yet? :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/29913312@N04/3981191343/ |
| 11:55.48 | SpeedEvil | I did, it chased me, and I barely got away. |
| 11:56.07 | range | Where is that? Spain? Portugal? |
| 11:56.33 | Corsac | italy |
| 11:56.42 | _berto_ | hehe |
| 11:56.48 | lcuk | its *somewhere* in the world, isnt that already 100% better marketing coverage than any other nokia tablet :D |
| 11:56.51 | _berto_ | portugal |
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| 11:57.24 | Stskeeps | woo, street marketing for a maemo device :) |
| 11:57.24 | range | lcuk: True. |
| 11:57.57 | lcuk | Stskeeps, the reaction from people in london was amazing |
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| 11:58.24 | VDVsx | _berto_, ah, I thought that Galician was so much similar to Portuguese, lol |
| 11:59.12 | _berto_ | VDVsx: well, in Galician it would be spelled exactly the same ;) |
| 11:59.41 | _berto_ | VDVsx: so it could be in Galicia, if it wasn't for the fact that it would be very unusual to see a mobile phone advertised in Galician |
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| 12:01.04 | VDVsx | :) |
| 12:01.51 | _berto_ | VDVsx: and the paving is clearly portuguese ;) |
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| 12:03.39 | fatal^ | is there any documentation on how to set up an apt repo suitable for publishing maemo (fremantle) packages? |
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| 12:05.49 | t_s_o | hmm, no flash 10 for maemo? |
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| 12:08.18 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: that's in the hands of Adobe basically. |
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| 12:08.43 | t_s_o | true, i just spotted this: http://www.liliputing.com/2009/10/its-official-adobe-flash-10-1-to-support-nvidia-gpus-a-whole-slew-of-smartphones.html |
| 12:09.00 | X-Fade | t_s_o: That is not even out? |
| 12:09.16 | t_s_o | note the last section, talking about smartphone os's that will get flash 10 |
| 12:09.51 | SpeedEvil | note also 'first half of 2010' |
| 12:09.58 | SpeedEvil | We are not in the first half of 2010 yet. |
| 12:10.47 | mavhc | they say linux |
| 12:11.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: dput did not work again over the weekend. Same problem. |
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| 12:11.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: As working dput has become more intermittent than non-working dput, maybe there is a solution for the latter? =) |
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| 12:12.19 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, Extras assistant |
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| 12:12.30 | X-Fade | RST38h: Although not for non-free atm. |
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| 12:15.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: Urgh. |
| 12:15.36 | RST38h | And there are no plans to fix dput? |
| 12:17.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure there are. New hardware. |
| 12:17.54 | X-Fade | RST38h: All listed in the bug about it. |
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| 12:22.10 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Why is it thought that "new hardware" will solve it |
| 12:22.11 | Jaffa | ? |
| 12:22.27 | Jaffa | mutters nasty things at libebook and libosso-abook |
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| 12:23.49 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Connections are being refused/dropped because of insane load on the machine. |
| 12:24.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: New server will be at least 32x more powerful. |
| 12:25.02 | lcuk | wooot - you are upgrading from 770 to N900? |
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| 12:27.20 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Cool |
| 12:27.50 | lcuk | jaffa, still not solved the multi field problem? |
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| 12:41.36 | tekojo | lcuk we upgraded from 770 to N800 last year, remember? |
| 12:41.47 | lcuk | o_O oh yeah! |
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| 12:43.26 | RST38h | X-Fade: Weird...Are people running so many dput sessions? Or is this same machine used for something else |
| 12:43.55 | X-Fade | RST38h: The machine runs garage and repositories etc. |
| 12:44.07 | RST38h | Ah |
| 12:44.15 | RST38h | will try at night =) |
| 12:44.16 | X-Fade | RST38h: constant load over 10 .. on a good day. |
| 12:44.26 | X-Fade | RST38h: Best luck is AM GMT. |
| 12:44.55 | X-Fade | RST38h: Evenings are worst. |
| 12:44.59 | frals | how many cpus with a 10 load? :D |
| 12:48.49 | tekojo | frals you can have multiple cpus?? :-) |
| 12:50.00 | t_s_o | hmm, how long until disney sues nokia for misuse of their intelectual property? |
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| 12:53.09 | AndrewFBlack | konttori__, pin |
| 12:53.14 | AndrewFBlack | g |
| 12:53.59 | thux | got drm music from nokia music shop in my n85 which got fm transmitter, now n800 got fm-radio can i record it with some app? |
| 12:54.37 | konttori__ | AndrewFBlack: pong |
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| 12:55.19 | konttori__ | thux: isnt it easier with lineout? |
| 12:55.58 | AndrewFBlack | konttori__, I know on all most all of my themes the bottom of the status icons up top gets cut off is that just a problem with themeing on os2008? Also is there a way to chance the white background on menus (See this post for screenshots of menu http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=339172&postcount=23) |
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| 12:56.33 | konttori__ | you can change menubg |
| 12:56.43 | thux | konttori__: does drm loud to transfer it out via usb? |
| 12:56.52 | konttori__ | you can also force all dialogs full width |
| 12:57.00 | konttori__ | thux: no idea |
| 12:57.10 | thux | ok must try |
| 12:58.20 | t_s_o | thux: look up boafm, its a radio program with record ability... |
| 12:58.26 | konttori__ | AndrewFBlack: looks like the max height is not big enough for your icons. its adjustable though |
| 12:58.38 | thux | t_s_o: thanx |
| 13:00.51 | Shapeshifter | does maemo privde keychain-like facilities to safely store passwords for you own app? |
| 13:01.11 | Shapeshifter | maemo5 I mean |
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| 13:02.57 | AndrewFBlack | konttori__, where is max height adjustable at? |
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| 13:03.53 | wazd | Heya again |
| 13:04.10 | wazd | Nokia 6300 is an epic phone) |
| 13:04.28 | RST38h | wazd: What was it this time? A trolley? |
| 13:04.43 | AndrewFBlack | konttori__, also I take it there isn't a place on template for menubg but I found it in the gtkrc file |
| 13:04.55 | wazd | RST38h: dishwasher :D |
| 13:05.14 | RST38h | Oh. Shit. Sony Ericcsson has not survived that. |
| 13:05.44 | glass__ | hah |
| 13:07.15 | wazd | Too bad that it's not mine( |
| 13:08.05 | konttori__ | max height is in theme maker itself as well, but you can also find it in the matchbox theme file (if I remember correctly) |
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| 13:08.32 | konttori__ | TC_***HEIGHT |
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| 13:08.36 | konttori__ | or something like that |
| 13:08.38 | lcuk | gets on his knees for penguinbait |
| 13:08.39 | RST38h | wazd: You can always try the trolley and possibley get a reason to buy n900 =) |
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| 13:10.33 | wazd | I can have as much reasons to buy n900 as I want - I can't afford it anyway :D |
| 13:11.03 | MoaBird | I wonder how much each unit actually cost to manufacture? |
| 13:11.04 | lcuk | i told you wazd, red cross parcel! |
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| 13:11.23 | corecode | hola |
| 13:12.20 | lcuk | hello corecode ! |
| 13:12.33 | wazd | lcuk: last time I received a red cross parcel there was food :D |
| 13:12.44 | RST38h | wazd: Did you sell the food? |
| 13:13.18 | wazd | RST38h: nope, we ate it unfortunately :) |
| 13:13.33 | lcuk | n900 is full of goodness. 100% RDA of mobile computing needs. |
| 13:13.40 | corecode | i was wondering if there are usable alternatives to the binary applications of nokia |
| 13:13.48 | lcuk | yeah if you want to write some :) |
| 13:14.10 | corecode | i'm considering a n900, but in my experience the only thing i usually feel like improving are applications, and not the kernel |
| 13:14.19 | corecode | so having an open source kernel doesn't buy me anything |
| 13:14.56 | SpeedEvil | Unless 3 years down the road when nokia has moved on, there is a major security hole, which can't be fixed due to binary modules. |
| 13:15.04 | SpeedEvil | (which I understand isn't the case) |
| 13:16.06 | corecode | hey SpeedEvil |
| 13:16.48 | SpeedEvil | as to applications, don't know |
| 13:17.16 | corecode | ok |
| 13:17.40 | corecode | now that doesn't help me at all deciding between a n900, some android or the palm pre |
| 13:17.43 | corecode | :/ |
| 13:18.56 | RST38h | wazd: /msg |
| 13:20.58 | AndrewFBlack | konttori__, I have that max height set to 60 which makes the bar 60pixels it just doesn't make the cutout to show status bar big enough |
| 13:21.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - comparing n900 to android or palm is utterly clear who is the more open |
| 13:21.05 | SpeedEvil | the n900 is open, with a few closed bits |
| 13:21.28 | SpeedEvil | You get root, you can install your own applications, you can send applications to friends, or sell them, or ... |
| 13:22.06 | SpeedEvil | Applications run as native code (well, they can), so may be lots faster, ... |
| 13:22.23 | SpeedEvil | The only freer platform than n900 is the OpenMoko Freerunner. |
| 13:22.33 | SpeedEvil | And that's - well - not quite as polished :) |
| 13:22.44 | konttori__ | it could be that the status bar is less than 60px |
| 13:22.53 | konttori__ | and that's probably not modifiable then |
| 13:23.16 | lcuk | konttori__, why have i got 56 in my head |
| 13:23.49 | kirma | android isn't exactly over-hostile against tinkerers, but it's not really intended for third party developers or encouraged hacking like maemo |
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| 13:31.19 | Shapeshifter | now that cyanoid has to stop distributing modded roms, android is even less sympathetic |
| 13:32.07 | AndrewFBlack | Shapeshifter, he can distruibute the modded roms just can't put google apps in it but he is working on a legit way to backup your google apps and restore them |
| 13:32.27 | Shapeshifter | i know. |
| 13:33.23 | corecode | are there other apps for the job? |
| 13:33.37 | corecode | like a stand-alone, non-web-pased calendar |
| 13:33.41 | corecode | (talking android now) |
| 13:34.17 | corecode | SpeedEvil: i'm not so much after super-open, but every phone i had had problems one way or another which I could have fixed easily if i had the code |
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| 13:35.14 | lcuk | sometimes its easier putting a bug report in (even with OSS projects) and letting those who know the codebase work hard at making the changes |
| 13:35.38 | lcuk | open source benefits because you can sometimes offer a hand and debug problem yourself to show better where the fault lies |
| 13:36.12 | SpeedEvil | (round numbers) |
| 13:36.28 | lcuk | corecode, you say you can fix it - thats great, but without the support of the admins and maintainers your fix will benefit only 1 person ;) |
| 13:36.38 | SpeedEvil | OpenMoko - you have 100% of the code. N900 - 90%, android - 70%, ... |
| 13:37.09 | corecode | SpeedEvil: yah, but as first priority i want a working phone :), so no moko |
| 13:37.26 | corecode | lcuk: i agree |
| 13:37.41 | SpeedEvil | It works. It is not polished. |
| 13:37.45 | corecode | lcuk: but just seeing how nokia has been avoiding this PAP authentication for WEP2 |
| 13:37.46 | ccooke | SpeedEvil: what was the percentage for Diablo, again? 80ish, IIRC? |
| 13:38.01 | corecode | SpeedEvil: i've heard that the battery lasts not even a day |
| 13:38.14 | lcuk | has lost his n900 |
| 13:38.19 | aol_ | anyone here work at ruoholahti? |
| 13:38.21 | SpeedEvil | recently it's got a lot better than that |
| 13:38.25 | lcuk | and its not been on charge since early yesterday |
| 13:38.28 | ccooke | lcuk: ... oh dear. |
| 13:38.35 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 13:38.36 | lcuk | ahhh, there it is |
| 13:38.43 | lcuk | all powered up and ready to go |
| 13:38.54 | corecode | so you already have samples of the n900? |
| 13:39.03 | corecode | doesn't seem to be available in germany yet |
| 13:39.13 | lcuk | you might drain the battery if you run hundreds of apps oor one goes awry, but on the whole this device is lasting nicely |
| 13:39.45 | corecode | the n900? |
| 13:39.49 | lcuk | connected to 3g and bluetooth and wifi btw |
| 13:39.53 | corecode | ok |
| 13:40.12 | corecode | my e51 drains its battery in a day if it is on wifi, without doing anything |
| 13:40.30 | ccooke | lcuk: does it last a full day, from when you get up until you go to sleep? |
| 13:40.41 | lcuk | ccooke, i took it off charge yesterday |
| 13:41.23 | lcuk | its still alive now, i was doin some ssh stuff with it last night |
| 13:41.23 | ccooke | Okay, that sounds good enough :-) |
| 13:41.25 | lcuk | i took a couple of calls |
| 13:41.40 | lcuk | yeah, its doin just fine :) |
| 13:41.49 | ccooke | Although hell, I'm not really worried. I'm hoping it's better than my current HTC magic |
| 13:41.59 | ccooke | but I can cope with about the same |
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| 13:42.19 | corecode | alright |
| 13:42.32 | corecode | so the n900 seems to be a good choice then |
| 13:43.49 | lcuk | doh! |
| 13:44.03 | lcuk | i was just thinking about an app to play a tune on device when you ping it |
| 13:44.24 | lcuk | but its as easy as picking up the home phone |
| 13:44.26 | lcuk | rollseyes |
| 13:44.44 | lcuk | would still be good to find my 810 |
| 13:45.03 | ccooke | I'd prefer sshing in, making sure there's a TTS engine installed and then make it read aloud a set of plaintive cries for help |
| 13:45.29 | lcuk | lol |
| 13:45.46 | ccooke | "I'm lost. Can anyone hear me? Please help" etc |
| 13:45.53 | lcuk | we should do that for all nokia phones ;) "help, i need maemo!" |
| 13:46.14 | ccooke | ooh! Connect to the light detector: "It's dark in here" |
| 13:46.35 | ccooke | hmm |
| 13:46.45 | kirma | it wouldn't be exactly impossible to write an app that would wait for "phone home" message, connect using whatever method (GSM/VoIP/etc) and getting speakerphone discussion going on |
| 13:46.47 | ccooke | turn on the flash, take a photo, identify the main colours visible. |
| 13:46.51 | ccooke | that could be fun... |
| 13:46.59 | fiferboy | Alright, I need three more people that can confirm countdown-home works well... |
| 13:47.03 | kirma | it might be pretty disturbing to anyone who doesn't figure out what's going on though |
| 13:47.12 | lcuk | omg no ccooke, it might take a picture from my pocket |
| 13:47.16 | lcuk | and theres a hole in it! |
| 13:47.16 | ccooke | kirma: that's a feature, not a bug |
| 13:47.24 | ccooke | lcuk: *cackle* |
| 13:47.32 | kirma | of course, the SMS could be used to acquire approximate cell-based (if not GPS) location too |
| 13:47.41 | lcuk | fiferboy, its the final countdown! |
| 13:47.49 | lcuk | get the link to packages posted again |
| 13:47.54 | ccooke | better still: If you have two GPS-based devices: "Warmer. Warmer. No, colder" |
| 13:48.01 | fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9 |
| 13:48.05 | lcuk | btw fiferboy it needs someway to connect the day to the date |
| 13:48.20 | fiferboy | lcuk: How do you mean? |
| 13:48.22 | lcuk | i made a new one today - it came up "monday blah blah" |
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| 13:48.29 | lcuk | when i wanted to change it to wednesday |
| 13:48.33 | lcuk | i opened the date select |
| 13:48.43 | lcuk | and it showed 05 10 2009 |
| 13:48.48 | lcuk | which did not compute |
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| 13:48.55 | kirma | taking a photo with the front-facing camera might indeed be useful |
| 13:48.57 | fiferboy | Yes, that is the built in HildonDateSelector |
| 13:49.00 | lcuk | nods |
| 13:49.03 | lcuk | just saying |
| 13:49.14 | kirma | also, logging from time to time if the device has been in motion |
| 13:49.14 | fiferboy | I get where you are coming from |
| 13:49.18 | lcuk | i had to close it, work out which date it was |
| 13:49.20 | lcuk | then reopen |
| 13:49.34 | lcuk | a nice floaty calendar might work better |
| 13:49.38 | lcuk | showing when it thinks it is |
| 13:49.44 | lcuk | and you click to the new day you want |
| 13:49.54 | lcuk | but thats for another revision |
| 13:50.02 | fiferboy | I wonder why the date selector was done in the three column model |
| 13:50.11 | lcuk | cos dates have 3 columns! |
| 13:50.24 | fiferboy | Well, four if you count day of week |
| 13:50.38 | fiferboy | But I guess that is not independant of the date |
| 13:50.42 | lcuk | but DOW is tied to day and month, its a meta column |
| 13:51.55 | lcuk | fiferboy, did you develop your bird app in qt for windows first |
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| 13:53.05 | fiferboy | It has a long and storied history. First it was PHP/MySql/html on a local lamp stack to run on my Zaurus, then Gtk/XML to run on my N810, now Qt/sqlite to run on anything |
| 13:53.35 | lcuk | but what do you develop it in |
| 13:53.40 | lcuk | and on which os |
| 13:54.01 | fiferboy | I started developeing Qt in Linux in virtualbox, then switched to developing in Windows |
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| 13:54.22 | fiferboy | Now I have the same version that I compile in Windows, Linux, and scratchbox to run different places |
| 13:54.24 | lcuk | :D excellent |
| 13:54.28 | lcuk | are you bringing your laptop |
| 13:55.08 | GAN800 | sighs. |
| 13:55.13 | GAN800 | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5265 |
| 13:55.22 | timeless | bringing where? |
| 13:55.43 | fiferboy | lcuk: I am bringing my wife's Linux laptop, I think |
| 13:55.56 | GAN800 | I so hate wasting my time filling bugs for Nokia. |
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| 13:56.40 | timeless | gan: that was my experience for n800/n810 |
| 13:56.55 | RST38h | GAN: Suggestion: support HTML in Bugzilla comments =) |
| 13:56.58 | Stskeeps | lo timeless |
| 13:57.15 | timeless | re user guide |
| 13:57.20 | RST38h | <H1><FONT COLOR=RED><B>REOPENED</B></FONT></H1> =) |
| 13:57.30 | timeless | slaps rst38h |
| 13:57.32 | lcuk | GAN800, seems a bit trivial afaik :S |
| 13:57.34 | timeless | hi stskeeps |
| 13:57.39 | GAN800 | Take a little pride in your work. |
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| 13:57.44 | Stskeeps | timeless, how is travel so far? |
| 13:57.46 | timeless | did you grab my updated tarball? |
| 13:57.52 | Stskeeps | not yet |
| 13:58.03 | timeless | good, i'm idling in prague for a bit |
| 13:58.10 | Stskeeps | is knee high in presentation prep |
| 13:58.11 | timeless | trying to decide where to go next |
| 13:58.16 | GAN800 | lcuk, it's embarassing and it makes the platform look bad. |
| 13:58.25 | lcuk | wades over to Stskeeps and gives him a bacon butty |
| 13:58.30 | lcuk | wades back to his pile |
| 13:58.31 | timeless | gan: how about you? |
| 13:58.36 | lcuk | does it bollocks |
| 13:59.03 | ccooke | it reads like legalese. Which, in a manual, is about what I'd expect |
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| 13:59.13 | RST38h | would like to ask everyone present: how many times have you read your N8x0 manual? What about N900? |
| 13:59.31 | Stskeeps | timeless: heard you ran into tomaszd - didnt realise you would be in same spot |
| 13:59.34 | ccooke | I read the n810 manual once, when I bought it. |
| 13:59.35 | RST38h | And if the number is in 0..1 range, then who gives a damn what the manual says? |
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| 13:59.52 | lcuk | some people do read them |
| 13:59.55 | GAN800 | timeless, tarball? |
| 13:59.55 | RST38h | And the percentage of those? |
| 13:59.59 | timeless | yeah that was a pleasant surprise |
| 14:00.16 | lcuk | and anyway gan, maemo is MUCH More than just the code |
| 14:00.38 | ccooke | oh, hey. Flash is working properly again on Karmic. |
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| 14:01.09 | GAN800 | RST38h, problem is, lots more people will be doing so on the N900. |
| 14:01.14 | Stskeeps | damn phone.. dont battery low on me now. not at the hairdressers while waiting for wife. |
| 14:02.01 | GAN800 | lcuk, a lot of people will be taking away a big impression from the manual. |
| 14:02.33 | timeless | sts: you don't have a charger? |
| 14:02.38 | lcuk | yeah - "This device uses Maemo 5 software on Linux." sounds perfectly valid to me |
| 14:02.45 | jeremiah | Yeah, I agree, the manual has to be tip top. |
| 14:02.53 | timeless | i charged my n900 in a sukkah here :) |
| 14:03.36 | corecode | so you all would suggest getting a n900, as a personal organizer? |
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| 14:04.14 | ccooke | corecode: well, some of us might. Most of us, I think, can't really comment on the PIM features yet |
| 14:04.29 | timeless | very few people here have n900s |
| 14:04.30 | ccooke | corecode: What I've heard sounds good, but I've not seen it in action yet |
| 14:04.31 | glass | if you like native.. then over android or pre yes |
| 14:04.44 | timeless | fewer still are trying to use the device as a pim |
| 14:04.45 | glass | screen isn't bad either |
| 14:04.59 | lcuk | uses his n900 as VPIM |
| 14:05.00 | Jaffa | lcuk: I can get at them if I go up to e_vcard_get_attributes() - but there's no Python binding for that. |
| 14:05.14 | GAN800 | lcuk, it doesn't agree with Nokia's usual usage. |
| 14:05.22 | timeless | vpim? |
| 14:05.24 | lcuk | argh!! is this a time when xcode or whatever the dynamic bit can come in |
| 14:05.35 | GAN800 | lcuk, by that definition they'd be in the rms camp. |
| 14:05.35 | lcuk | very personal information manager. porn bookmarks etc lol |
| 14:05.43 | timeless | oh, heh |
| 14:05.55 | timeless | yeah for that it works |
| 14:06.01 | RST38h | GAN: People do not read manuals :( |
| 14:06.04 | corecode | ... |
| 14:06.14 | RST38h | GAN: Especially if these are not printed on dead trees |
| 14:06.32 | timeless | rst38h: then we shouldn't write one |
| 14:06.34 | GAN800 | RST38h, no reason for it to look as shitty as it does, however. |
| 14:07.02 | RST38h | GAN: Maybe... Although it does not look all that bad to me. Worse cases ar eknown |
| 14:07.25 | RST38h | It seems fair that the community has to contribute a chapter on development |
| 14:07.39 | GAN800 | It boggles my mind how apathetic Nokia is about the drivel they churn out. |
| 14:07.50 | RST38h | No need to let lawyers write that chapter, although they can check it afterwards |
| 14:07.54 | lcuk | RST38h, i like that idea |
| 14:08.14 | lcuk | even if its just in the wiki for now |
| 14:08.17 | RST38h | GAN: You are being wikipedian. It really matter much less than you think :) |
| 14:08.20 | GAN800 | They could hire a half-dozen high-schoolers who could write clearer English. |
| 14:08.23 | lcuk | if it gets support it can be worked on |
| 14:09.01 | RST38h | remembers some excerpts from Intel Arch References and smirks |
| 14:09.20 | GAN800 | RST38h, it's embarassing and certainly not at all difficult to get right in the first place. |
| 14:09.37 | GAN800 | You don't see shit like this from Apple. |
| 14:09.52 | GAN800 | Presentation does matter. :) |
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| 14:10.49 | timeless | it's difficult given the messed up schedule we use |
| 14:11.22 | timeless | i tend to get access to the doc after it's been translated |
| 14:11.41 | RST38h | GAN: Apple is different, the bend reality so that you do not see shit =) |
| 14:11.47 | timeless | as such it's too expensive to fix |
| 14:11.58 | RST38h | But don't you worry, once you become iPhone software developer.... |
| 14:11.59 | timeless | no, apple doesn't ship shit |
| 14:12.16 | timeless | it only ships a limited number of shiny things |
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| 14:12.35 | timeless | smaller, but fewer edges all reasonably smoothed and polished |
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| 14:14.03 | X-Fade | http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/maemo-browser/ |
| 14:14.31 | timeless | any good? |
| 14:14.39 | X-Fade | Pretty nice. |
| 14:15.01 | GeneralAntilles | That is one tiny hand. |
| 14:15.11 | timeless | hasn't seen or heard of that |
| 14:15.15 | X-Fade | Really like the Future Crew - Second reality demo running in dashboard. |
| 14:15.40 | X-Fade | Man, that brings back memories ;) |
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| 14:15.41 | RST38h | wishes maemo.nokia.com people reconsider the visual style of their site |
| 14:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | officially hates Jon Reece |
| 14:16.47 | timeless | heh |
| 14:17.09 | RST38h | Something warmer, more homely would be much better... |
| 14:17.33 | timeless | it's nseries |
| 14:17.37 | timeless | it has to be dark |
| 14:17.46 | timeless | curses nseries |
| 14:18.41 | Shapeshifter | why do people like the n-pad that much? it's always horribly jerky |
| 14:19.21 | timeless | npad? |
| 14:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | d-pad for the 4th dimension? |
| 14:21.23 | Shapeshifter | d-pad it is then |
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| 14:21.41 | Shapeshifter | that flat wobbly thing with bad tactile feedback |
| 14:21.56 | GeneralAntilles | d-pads don't inherently have bad tactile feel. |
| 14:22.15 | GeneralAntilles | and for the same reason people generally like having arrows on their keyboards. |
| 14:22.24 | timeless | just nokia dpads :) |
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| 14:25.35 | RST38h | guesses nobody has tried Motorola dpad here... |
| 14:25.42 | RST38h | Like in Razr or Z8... |
| 14:26.09 | range | I don't buy things I cannot pronounce. |
| 14:26.15 | ccooke | The thing that I find amusing: The n900 has a dpad. The n810 does not. That is: The n900 has a arrow keys in a D shape, which was the original definition of D-keys on the PC :-) |
| 14:26.58 | RST38h | N900 has no dpad per se |
| 14:27.11 | luke-jr | OpenPandora has nice controls in that regard |
| 14:27.11 | RST38h | It has arrow buttons, which is ok with me BTW |
| 14:27.13 | GAN800 | hits ctrl-l repeatedly in vain. :( |
| 14:27.16 | luke-jr | I wonder how they're exposed to userland. |
| 14:27.23 | RST38h | luke: Got your Pandora already? |
| 14:27.33 | luke-jr | the two keyboard arrow sets for the hard-keys perhaps, and 2 joysticks? |
| 14:27.42 | luke-jr | RST38h: nope, not sure I'm going to get one even |
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| 14:28.03 | luke-jr | RST38h: unless I can hack in a cell phone |
| 14:28.08 | RST38h | Then the statementabout Pandora having nice controls is wrong =) |
| 14:28.16 | luke-jr | RST38h: is it? |
| 14:28.27 | luke-jr | the keypads are fabbed, if nothing else :p |
| 14:28.28 | RST38h | Yea, has to have a real Pandora shipping to people |
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| 14:28.57 | timeless | i'm going to wander around, see people later |
| 14:29.04 | luke-jr | RST38h: you expect too much from vapourware |
| 14:29.15 | RST38h | dismisses vapourware |
| 14:29.56 | luke-jr | http://openpandora.org/images/stories/blog/finkeymat.jpg |
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| 14:30.15 | luke-jr | though I admit, I don't know if I like Alt/Ctrl being where they are |
| 14:30.32 | luke-jr | on top of them being the wrong keys |
| 14:30.36 | luke-jr | Select should be Tab, and Start should be Enter :p |
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| 14:31.39 | ccooke | luke-jr: ... To be honest, that keypad looks much worse than the N900s for, say, unix apps |
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| 14:32.44 | ccooke | Hmm. Or maybe as bad. |
| 14:32.48 | luke-jr | ccooke: it doesn't appear to vary too much from my C760 kb, which proved itself to be the best I've used yet |
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| 14:33.18 | Corsac | Disponibilité: Arrivage prévu Vendredi 30 Octobre |
| 14:33.23 | Corsac | grmblbl |
| 14:34.00 | ccooke | luke-jr: the large space between letters and numbers looks uncomfortable, to me |
| 14:34.14 | ccooke | luke-jr: and yeah, I can see myself hating the position of ctrl and alt |
| 14:34.23 | luke-jr | ccooke: the large space is good :p |
| 14:34.36 | ccooke | the space is not large. |
| 14:34.43 | ccooke | it's the same size as the n900s |
| 14:34.51 | luke-jr | ah |
| 14:34.55 | luke-jr | http://www.brighthand.com/images/Sharp_Zaurus_R_1_L.jpg |
| 14:35.25 | ccooke | Oh, I know the Zaurii very well :-) |
| 14:35.35 | ccooke | I still have a 750, 3100 and 3200 |
| 14:36.19 | jeremiah | Corsac: Is that a prevue of the N900 that arrives the 30th of OCt.? |
| 14:36.36 | Captain_Picard | yes |
| 14:36.50 | Captain_Picard | forget the n900 wait for a htc leo! |
| 14:37.03 | Captain_Picard | 1ghz, 4.3"!! |
| 14:37.07 | luke-jr | Captain_Picard: is that a HTC Touch Pro 2 with Android? |
| 14:37.21 | Captain_Picard | no its th htc with windows mobile :DD.... |
| 14:37.28 | luke-jr | ... |
| 14:37.36 | luke-jr | why that over TP2 then? |
| 14:37.46 | Captain_Picard | bigger screen |
| 14:37.47 | luke-jr | :O |
| 14:37.49 | Captain_Picard | better processor |
| 14:37.49 | luke-jr | 512 MB RAM! |
| 14:38.02 | luke-jr | Captain_Picard: you don |
| 14:38.07 | luke-jr | Captain_Picard: you don't care about the OS tho? |
| 14:38.11 | wazd | Yeah, Leo is the man |
| 14:38.29 | ccooke | IT has a nice screen, a nice processor and more RAM. But it's windows mobile and has no keyboard. I think I'll stick with the n900 :-) |
| 14:38.44 | Captain_Picard | yeh, the problem is taht its windows mobile :\ |
| 14:38.55 | Captain_Picard | cant they make maemo for it and add a qwerty |
| 14:39.00 | RST38h | WinMo kills it |
| 14:39.03 | wazd | 1ghz cpu solves all WM problems :) |
| 14:39.13 | luke-jr | no keyboard? wtf |
| 14:39.15 | luke-jr | useless |
| 14:39.22 | wazd | And 512 ram |
| 14:39.38 | Captain_Picard | did it have opengl 2.0 support? |
| 14:39.42 | ccooke | wazd: you mean it'll crash faster? :-) |
| 14:40.38 | wazd | ccooke: when I was with Loox 720, I hadn't got much crashes |
| 14:41.05 | RST38h | You can't solve WM problems =) |
| 14:41.05 | qwerty12 | wazd: the 720 was awesome... I still have one with a broken screen :) |
| 14:41.17 | lcuk | had an old loox |
| 14:42.28 | ccooke | wazd: yeah, I think some phones have bad builds and some don't. And since the operators decide on the SW build often enough, it's not even that simple |
| 14:42.31 | Jaffa | listens to luovanto's music bands for the summit |
| 14:42.43 | wazd | I hope some bastard still uses mine) |
| 14:42.52 | ccooke | I know I've heard about more crashes from winmo than any other two platforms combined, but I also know some people who've had no trouble |
| 14:43.28 | ccooke | ... But I'd rather gnaw my own fingers off than use any of the winmo interfaces I've tried day-to-day :-) |
| 14:43.48 | lcuk | don't talk to me about fingers |
| 14:44.03 | glass | hmm. crashing hasnt been the problem i've encountered/heard with winmo really. rather the ui and poor battery etc |
| 14:45.02 | GeneralAntilles | Well, Nokia managed to slip the date past the Summit. |
| 14:45.14 | GeneralAntilles | Looks like they'll be talking about Harmattan when hardly anybody has used Fremantle. |
| 14:45.16 | GeneralAntilles | Good job@ |
| 14:45.28 | ccooke | glass: poor battery? compared to *other* smartphones? or is it just that winmo got a big chunk of the lower-end smartphone market very quickly and nobody knew what to expect? |
| 14:45.50 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: surprised? |
| 14:45.58 | glass | ccooke: poor battery as in it not going to sleep properly without user interaction etc |
| 14:46.06 | ccooke | ... oh god. |
| 14:46.09 | glass | ccooke: i had a qtek9000 for a while |
| 14:46.11 | ccooke | That's stupid. |
| 14:46.34 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, bah, Eldar already has Harmattan ;) |
| 14:46.49 | glass | ccooke: and really none of the winmos have been really in lowend smartphone category as far as pricing without subbing goes.. |
| 14:47.07 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, a bit. |
| 14:47.17 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, they moved the original date of the Summit back, even. |
| 14:47.37 | ccooke | glass: pricing without subbing doesn't matter. The mass market only pay subsidised prices. |
| 14:47.53 | glass | ccooke: it matters if you count them to low end.. |
| 14:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | Public transit strike in Amsterdam on the 7th. |
| 14:47.55 | GeneralAntilles | Fun |
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| 14:48.26 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: planning on being there on the 7th? |
| 14:48.40 | luke-jr | wazd: pdadb.net says Leo is only 320 MB RAM |
| 14:48.55 | ccooke | wonders how many people will be around on Thursday. Looks like he'll be in Amsterdam from around 13:00ish with nothing much to do |
| 14:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, nope! |
| 14:49.56 | wazd | luke-jr: well, anyway :) |
| 14:50.14 | SpeedEvil | ccooke: There are some interesting museums. |
| 14:51.00 | ccooke | SpeedEvil: I've been to a couple of them before. And I'm told to avoid the Vodka museum at all costs |
| 14:51.10 | ccooke | SpeedEvil: (because it wasn't actually very good, apparently) |
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| 15:38.22 | aol_ | anyone run in to this: |
| 15:38.59 | aol_ | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 15:39.15 | aol_ | I get this error when trying apt-get update under scratchbox |
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| 15:45.01 | Shapeshifter | does fremantle provide a facility to store passwords safely? In my app I need to store a password, do I need to take care of that myself, or is there some "keychain" thing? |
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| 15:59.25 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: got it |
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| 16:08.43 | Jaffa | Shapeshifter: From what I've seen, you just shove 'em in gconf. I've not seen any keychain being used. |
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| 16:21.24 | timeless | scalpers suck |
| 16:22.02 | timeless | i think i was ripped off for about 2000% of actually ticket prices |
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| 16:22.49 | timeless | oh, and european countries/their opera houses which don't have decent signage to their box offices also suck |
| 16:22.57 | texrat | arggggggg |
| 16:23.05 | texrat | transportation strike!!! |
| 16:23.12 | qwerty12 | gets his mouse trap ready |
| 16:23.16 | timeless | london? |
| 16:23.16 | texrat | Oct 7 in Amsterdam |
| 16:23.20 | RST38h | 7th not 8th |
| 16:23.28 | texrat | yeah but may bleed over |
| 16:23.38 | RST38h | so, safe unless they like it so much that they decide to continue |
| 16:23.39 | texrat | and some arrive on the 7th |
| 16:23.46 | texrat | right |
| 16:23.51 | texrat | which could happen |
| 16:23.51 | timeless | err, a transportation strike in the netherlands would suck |
| 16:23.56 | Stskeeps | evening texrat |
| 16:23.57 | texrat | yes |
| 16:24.02 | texrat | hey Carsten |
| 16:24.06 | texrat | morning ;) |
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| 16:25.02 | RST38h | rm_me |
| 16:25.36 | GeneralAntilles | I wish the folks at the co-creation get together the best of luck. :P |
| 16:25.50 | texrat | yeah |
| 16:26.36 | texrat | trail mix bar for lunch, oh yum |
| 16:26.42 | rm_you| | rm_RST |
| 16:26.47 | rm_you| | GeneralAntilles: so yeah, i got it |
| 16:26.55 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, you made a typo ;) |
| 16:26.56 | rm_you| | GeneralAntilles: with luck should have a working applet for the summit |
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| 16:27.06 | texrat | cool GA |
| 16:27.06 | RST38h | General: Have they figured out who will participate? |
| 16:27.07 | lcuk | thanks tho :D |
| 16:27.13 | rm_you| | s/luck/lcuk/ |
| 16:27.20 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, dunno, haven't be paying attention. |
| 16:27.21 | rm_you| | :P |
| 16:27.24 | rm_you| | sup lcuk |
| 16:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | I wonder why people are bitching about the size of the N900 after carrying N810s and N800s. |
| 16:27.57 | rm_you| | hehe |
| 16:28.04 | texrat | bitching it's too big? |
| 16:28.04 | rm_you| | i thought people were saying it was too SMALL |
| 16:28.09 | texrat | ^ |
| 16:28.10 | rm_you| | are they complaining it's large now? :P |
| 16:28.14 | RST38h | They have not been carrying n8x0s. They now will carry n900s |
| 16:28.17 | texrat | that would be nuts |
| 16:28.19 | RST38h | Them being phones etc |
| 16:28.26 | GeneralAntilles | Well, people love to bitch about things, apparently. |
| 16:28.26 | texrat | point |
| 16:28.39 | texrat | I like to bitch about people bitching |
| 16:28.40 | lcuk | RST38h, +1 |
| 16:28.44 | RST38h | But in fact, n900 is about the size and weight of HTC Dimaond2 Pro |
| 16:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | eiffel seems to be simultaneously bitching about being too large and too small. |
| 16:28.51 | texrat | lol |
| 16:28.55 | lcuk | haha |
| 16:28.56 | RST38h | Yes, hefty, but not unberably so |
| 16:29.07 | GeneralAntilles | People should probably just STFU until they can get their hands on one. |
| 16:29.12 | RST38h | General: Keyword is "bitching" |
| 16:29.16 | Stskeeps | glances at his first presentation |
| 16:29.51 | SpeedEvil | Due to an unfortunate typographical error, the n900 in fact has a 35" screen, and weighs 87Kg. |
| 16:30.08 | Stskeeps | and is called britney |
| 16:30.11 | RST38h | And you have to bring your own water and coal |
| 16:30.22 | lcuk | hahaha SpeedEvil |
| 16:30.38 | lcuk | it is when you plug it into your tv |
| 16:30.39 | SpeedEvil | I actually made an internal combustion powered laptop plugin. |
| 16:31.01 | texrat | I am holding out for stretchy screens |
| 16:31.27 | SpeedEvil | A .049" R/C engine, a little motor to generate ~50W or so, all inside an old battery shell. And fuel tank and exhaust. |
| 16:31.33 | RST38h | stretchy rubbery tactile feedback screen |
| 16:31.37 | texrat | yes |
| 16:31.41 | SpeedEvil | it did in fact work - but was perhaps not very usable. |
| 16:31.43 | RST38h | actually, it does not have to show image |
| 16:31.46 | texrat | and smells like cinnamon |
| 16:31.59 | lcuk | that brings about uncomfortable thoughts of heavy set people with lycra advertisements stretched around their gut |
| 16:32.07 | texrat | thanks for that |
| 16:32.08 | RST38h | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:32.17 | lcuk | no stretchy screens please! |
| 16:32.27 | texrat | :p |
| 16:32.31 | SpeedEvil | TeleMaemo's here we go! |
| 16:32.36 | texrat | lol |
| 16:33.09 | texrat | remember the clothes with keyboard? screens are next! |
| 16:33.26 | lcuk | teletubbies |
| 16:33.36 | lcuk | they were there first |
| 16:33.36 | texrat | need some sort of crack for the battery though... |
| 16:33.41 | lcuk | now, brought to you with open source |
| 16:33.52 | RST38h | Anyone thought of sending MMS messages through web gateways? |
| 16:34.00 | texrat | all the time |
| 16:34.39 | RST38h | Why not implement a sharing extension for Maemo5 that does this? This will equate to half the MMS support |
| 16:35.38 | Stskeeps | texrat: bored enough to see a snapshot of my first talk? |
| 16:35.56 | texrat | interested enough, sure |
| 16:37.39 | Stskeeps | texrat: sent to you by mail |
| 16:37.50 | texrat | hate job. going insane. must be talked out of quitting. |
| 16:38.08 | texrat | ok |
| 16:38.08 | SpeedEvil | texrat: Quit and you have less money for toys. |
| 16:38.19 | texrat | hell I have none now |
| 16:38.22 | Stskeeps | glances at fremantle desktop on his n800 and grins a bit |
| 16:38.23 | qwerty12 | texrat: Quit and have more time to play with your tablets |
| 16:38.37 | texrat | current salary = $20,000 less per year than with Nokia |
| 16:38.53 | texrat | and boss = pain in ass |
| 16:39.10 | GeneralAntilles | texrat, quit and you have less money for food. :P |
| 16:39.12 | texrat | whole organization is pathological |
| 16:39.24 | texrat | I've stocked up GA :p |
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| 16:39.32 | SpeedEvil | Guns and Ammo? |
| 16:39.34 | GeneralAntilles | Give it 6 months or a year for everything to go in the toilet or the economy to recover. |
| 16:39.41 | texrat | food and ziplocs |
| 16:39.54 | texrat | I can't work here another week |
| 16:40.03 | qwerty12 | texrat: Quit and have more time to prepare for the Maemo Summit |
| 16:40.03 | texrat | it is really becoming a struggle |
| 16:40.09 | texrat | lol |
| 16:40.25 | texrat | time: the unattainable commodity |
| 16:40.41 | texrat | I would change my handle to "timeless" but it's taken |
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| 16:41.18 | Jaffa | texrat: Is it OCD of me to object to you not being "Texrat"? |
| 16:41.29 | texrat | eh |
| 16:41.33 | texrat | yes? |
| 16:41.35 | qwerty12 | Yes, Jaffa hates Texans |
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| 16:41.43 | texrat | I'm not a Texan |
| 16:41.47 | texrat | Californian |
| 16:41.58 | texrat | dad was Canadian |
| 16:42.03 | qwerty12 | Yes, Jaffa hates people living in the State of Texas |
| 16:42.05 | qwerty12 | Poor guy |
| 16:42.07 | texrat | ah |
| 16:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.16 | texrat | :p |
| 16:42.17 | Jaffa | texrat: Assuming you're *the* Texrat, your tmo usename is capitalised differently. |
| 16:42.21 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I was getting ticks. :P |
| 16:42.27 | RST38h | Canadians. They cross the border and walk among us unnoticed. |
| 16:42.27 | texrat | it's me |
| 16:42.36 | texrat | lol RST! |
| 16:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | Canadar |
| 16:43.01 | texrat | I don't get hung up on the caps thing, although I know it's part of Linux religion |
| 16:43.23 | SpeedEvil | texrat: http://www.theonion.com/content/news/job_became_completely_humiliating?utm_source=b-section |
| 16:43.31 | GeneralAntilles | loads up on consumables for the flight(s). |
| 16:43.34 | texrat | ooo I love the onion |
| 16:43.49 | texrat | good idea GA, I packed a bunch of cereal bars |
| 16:44.04 | Jaffa | texrat: Your nick is your online identity. I like mine to be consistent. |
| 16:44.10 | texrat | feh |
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| 16:44.27 | texrat | I like mine to be whatever I'm in the mood for |
| 16:44.46 | texrat | I am ADD, hear me ramble! |
| 16:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | texrat, digital consumables. ;) |
| 16:44.56 | texrat | ah |
| 16:45.12 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, I made some granola bars. |
| 16:45.19 | texrat | cool |
| 16:45.40 | GeneralAntilles | I haven't managed to find store-bought ones that don't have high fructose corn syrup. |
| 16:45.46 | VDVsx | texrat, did you saw my e-mail about the summit ? |
| 16:45.47 | texrat | yeah |
| 16:45.47 | frals | god my arms hurt after playing wii sports for 4hrs, it should come with a warning! |
| 16:45.56 | texrat | not yet Valerio |
| 16:46.16 | texrat | I am loading up on tunes GA-- have you heard Nighwish's "Amaranth"? |
| 16:46.22 | texrat | Nightwish* |
| 16:46.30 | texrat | man those guys rock |
| 16:46.34 | GeneralAntilles | frals, I believe the jazzercising person in the pictogram they show you may have something to say about that. |
| 16:46.38 | VDVsx | texrat, you should check the council mail more often :) |
| 16:46.45 | GeneralAntilles | texrat, probably, though I don't recall off-hand. |
| 16:46.56 | texrat | hard to do due to my job but I'm trying to do what I can |
| 16:47.05 | Stskeeps | still wonders who'll end up chair |
| 16:47.16 | texrat | votes Valerio |
| 16:47.18 | frals | GeneralAntilles: thats the one when you boot the console? 4hrs later you forget that, bad design! ;) |
| 16:47.39 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, that's surprise :) |
| 16:47.53 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: you're going to make penguinbait do all the hard work? big surprise ;p |
| 16:47.54 | GeneralAntilles | They aren't going to tell us. |
| 16:47.58 | GeneralAntilles | We'll just have to guess. |
| 16:48.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, oh yeah, lol |
| 16:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, I can never manage to par down my music library far enough to load up stuff onto a portable. |
| 16:48.38 | GeneralAntilles | I'm at 150GB right now. |
| 16:48.41 | texrat | Valerio, I see a lot of emails from you... what subject |
| 16:49.00 | texrat | GA I just keep a changing subset on devices |
| 16:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, set your mail client to mark all emails to mailto:council@maemo.orghttp://maemo.org in red. :P |
| 16:49.18 | Stskeeps | someone should write a program that takes your last.fm statistics and loads it onto a device. |
| 16:49.39 | VDVsx | texrat, well, most of them are already outdate for sure |
| 16:49.51 | VDVsx | the important one is : maemo summit presentation |
| 16:50.12 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 16:50.30 | GeneralAntilles | You guys will have to get penguinbait with a "long walks on the beach" joke. ;) |
| 16:50.33 | Jaffa | assumes, from the lack of email, that the new council decided against keeping the old council on council@ for a transitional period. If so, I apologise for GA's porn newsletter subscription |
| 16:50.51 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, I don't think anybody decided it just ended up happening that way. |
| 16:51.10 | GeneralAntilles | and who wouldn't want my awesome porn newsletter? |
| 16:51.11 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, true |
| 16:51.15 | GeneralAntilles | I mean, qwerty12 loves it. |
| 16:51.26 | VDVsx | I said yes to this, but never happened it seems |
| 16:51.28 | Jaffa | Now, what did my possessive mean - one you produce, or one you're subscribed to ;-) |
| 16:51.38 | texrat | GA, having problems with email-- I keep changing it to texrat@ovi.com but the system won't save it. Need to file a bug I guess. But using http client, no formatting |
| 16:51.40 | qwerty12 | I'm not on the Council, but hey, please, subscribe me to this newsletter |
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| 16:53.02 | texrat | subscribes qwerty12 to donkey love newsletter |
| 16:53.21 | GeneralAntilles | notes his "expedited" passport isn't here yet. : |
| 16:53.30 | qwerty12 | texrat: already subscribed to that |
| 16:53.35 | texrat | ... |
| 16:54.18 | texrat | damn lunch almost over |
| 16:54.21 | Mousey | mornin internets |
| 16:54.33 | texrat | only getting to talk because boss is out... she is such a micromanager |
| 16:54.53 | texrat | I have GOT to get back inside the mothership |
| 16:55.04 | qwerty12 | gives texrat a gun: Make sure she STAYS out |
| 16:55.11 | texrat | ... |
| 16:55.28 | texrat | this place really sucks... mismanagement hell |
| 16:55.39 | texrat | IT is 10 years behind the times |
| 16:55.52 | texrat | you guys would laugh at our intranet "portal" |
| 16:56.00 | texrat | a page of links :rolleyes: |
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| 16:56.23 | texrat | no rss, no widgets |
| 16:56.41 | texrat | and apparently no budget to enter the modern world |
| 16:57.27 | qwerty12 | Still not feeling sorry you |
| 16:57.27 | qwerty12 | =for |
| 16:57.27 | texrat | thanks |
| 16:57.27 | qwerty12 | *+ |
| 16:57.27 | qwerty12 | gah |
| 16:57.36 | texrat | it IS better than unemployment.. I think |
| 16:57.47 | texrat | hell I feel sorry for my co-workers |
| 16:58.57 | texrat | Carsten, got your presentation, will review later |
| 16:59.41 | Shapeshifter | Jaffa: I see. allright. |
| 17:00.35 | Stskeeps | texrat: k |
| 17:01.07 | texrat | Got mine down to 8 minutes, so 3 more to shave off |
| 17:01.30 | texrat | or I will have to talk at California speed |
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| 17:02.23 | qwerty12 | Do it Texas-style, with a slow Texan drawl |
| 17:02.35 | texrat | hell even I don't talk that way |
| 17:02.53 | texrat | Canadian dad + California birth = no drawl |
| 17:03.09 | qwerty12 | heh |
| 17:03.22 | texrat | no one can place my accent...lol |
| 17:03.27 | texrat | mom was Texan |
| 17:03.34 | texrat | is |
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| 17:06.33 | Stskeeps | sits down and looks at hildon-desktop source code. |
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| 17:08.47 | aSIMULAter | californian speed of talking? |
| 17:08.49 | aSIMULAter | what's that hehe |
| 17:11.15 | RST38h | texrat: Eh? |
| 17:12.03 | GeneralAntilles | 7 weeks is not expedited by any sane definition. |
| 17:12.30 | lcuk | aSIMULAter, what would you do on your long weekends |
| 17:13.00 | aSIMULAter | i'd do nothing |
| 17:13.01 | aSIMULAter | cause i'm boring like that |
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| 17:14.10 | aSIMULAter | lcuk: so see you in a few days then :) |
| 17:14.54 | lcuk | indeed :) |
| 17:15.06 | lcuk | is lookin forward to it all more than ever |
| 17:15.19 | lcuk | tho aSIMULAter i seem to have gotten myself in another presentation! |
| 17:15.22 | texrat | asimulator it means talking fast |
| 17:15.35 | aSIMULAter | i unfortunately had a valley girl accent :/ |
| 17:15.39 | lcuk | the Push N900 one :D |
| 17:15.48 | aSIMULAter | but i think living 10 years outside of california has washed that wretched accent away :P |
| 17:15.54 | aSIMULAter | cool i'll watch the presentation |
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| 17:16.23 | RST38h | Do you also have it in Finnish? |
| 17:16.23 | texrat | just no more talk of tight shirts though please :p |
| 17:16.31 | aSIMULAter | ugh lordy i would shoot myself when i end up having a finnish accent |
| 17:16.40 | texrat | hey |
| 17:16.51 | texrat | some of those Finnish girls sound very-- nevermind |
| 17:16.51 | RST38h | Heh |
| 17:17.07 | Captain_Picard | http://www.thetoyzone.com/2009/blog/15-most-painful-shoes-ever-created/ !!!! |
| 17:17.28 | texrat | Brazilian accents are the best though... |
| 17:17.42 | aSIMULAter | well gotta give them props though, most of the young generation speaks english |
| 17:17.50 | aSIMULAter | even though majority of it is broken english it's still easy to comprehend |
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| 17:18.07 | texrat | heck I had no trouble communicating with anyone in Helsinki |
| 17:18.16 | texrat | I was so embarassed at only speaking English |
| 17:18.21 | texrat | humbling |
| 17:18.30 | aSIMULAter | most of them are trilingual |
| 17:18.34 | texrat | right |
| 17:18.36 | aSIMULAter | finnish, swedish, english |
| 17:18.40 | texrat | yes |
| 17:18.44 | RST38h | aSIMULAter: You have to go to .TW to find out what broken english is |
| 17:18.55 | texrat | after 2 trips there I got around like a native it was so easy |
| 17:18.55 | RST38h | Finns have got perfect English in comparison |
| 17:18.59 | aSIMULAter | ok fair enough asian countries can have broken english convos :P |
| 17:19.08 | Shapeshifter | the cork sandal looks comfy |
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| 17:19.27 | lcuk | ladies do the strangest thing to their feet :'( |
| 17:19.48 | aSIMULAter | though then again, i think tht finland has been more heavily influenced by american culture than some asian countries |
| 17:19.54 | aSIMULAter | hence the ability to learn english quicker |
| 17:20.10 | penguinbait | I do like long walks on the beach |
| 17:20.10 | lopz | hey ;) |
| 17:20.18 | aSIMULAter | high heels i don't even bother |
| 17:20.42 | qwerty12 | penguinbait: you and GeneralAntilles should get together, in that case |
| 17:20.43 | lcuk | penguinbait, as long as i dont have to hold your hand, its cool :D |
| 17:20.50 | penguinbait | heh |
| 17:21.03 | qwerty12 | Who knows, you may even give him ideas for his newsletter ;P |
| 17:21.21 | penguinbait | I see you subscribed qwerrty |
| 17:21.32 | penguinbait | sicko ! |
| 17:21.32 | qwerty12 | Well, of course :) |
| 17:25.00 | Shapeshifter | so many people already have an n900, so many videos, so much stuff, but it's not coming out for another month :| |
| 17:25.16 | Shapeshifter | can't ... wait ... any ... longer... |
| 17:25.20 | RST38h | You don't want it to come up with broken firmware? |
| 17:25.39 | Shapeshifter | that can be fixed even after the release ;) |
| 17:27.02 | texrat | @shapeshifter: and usually is! |
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| 17:27.21 | Shapeshifter | any ideas what might still be broken? Though I think one month before release the product is pretty much finished anyway. I'm really wondering about the figures, how many devices have already been fabricated hardware wise. Generally in such a production process. Guessing that there already are quite a few devices made, just waiting for firmare flashing |
| 17:27.39 | texrat | well, we found some crazy last minute stuff with N800 |
| 17:27.54 | texrat | like the fact the reflective material behind LCD was too thin |
| 17:28.20 | Shapeshifter | I have no idea how this works, productions of such a device. |
| 17:28.30 | texrat | I was running environmental tests less than a month before launch |
| 17:28.39 | texrat | we cut it VERY close |
| 17:28.42 | Shapeshifter | texrat: too thin? |
| 17:28.45 | texrat | yes |
| 17:28.46 | frals | me neither - i always assumed the hardware was done well ahead of the launch date |
| 17:28.51 | frals | but seems ive might been mistaken :P |
| 17:28.52 | texrat | warped under bright sun |
| 17:28.55 | Shapeshifter | texrat: what did this cause? |
| 17:28.58 | Shapeshifter | oh |
| 17:29.01 | SpeedEvil | Shapeshifter: generally there will be both rampups in production volume, and some piles of hardware being produced |
| 17:29.01 | texrat | ^ |
| 17:29.14 | texrat | also we had HUGE failures with rotating camera |
| 17:29.18 | texrat | embarassing |
| 17:29.24 | texrat | just before launch to CES |
| 17:29.30 | RST38h | it did not look very reliable to begin with |
| 17:29.31 | texrat | I can't provide details |
| 17:29.37 | SpeedEvil | you don't want too big a pile of devices, from a long production run, you want to be able to build devices rapidly |
| 17:29.46 | texrat | it was an awkward mechanism, prone to failure |
| 17:29.57 | lcuk | solved now :) |
| 17:30.00 | texrat | yeah, we did a lot of JIT |
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| 17:30.20 | texrat | you guys should have seen our production |
| 17:30.26 | texrat | amazing speed |
| 17:30.28 | SpeedEvil | Because having a large pile of devices doesn't help - unles it's large enough to do 3 months stock |
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| 17:30.33 | texrat | 900 phones down the line per hour |
| 17:30.40 | Shapeshifter | texrat: >.> |
| 17:30.59 | SpeedEvil | you need enough stock to buffer orders, and the ability to ramp up production volumes rapidly |
| 17:31.09 | lcuk | texrat, any contacts to get a tour of a factory? |
| 17:31.09 | texrat | yeah, we had FRUs for that |
| 17:31.16 | texrat | factory is closed |
| 17:31.34 | lcuk | dang |
| 17:31.40 | lcuk | i saw this a coupld of weeks ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHuDvVa7mkw |
| 17:31.44 | texrat | I lost that job, then got on with another division, then lost that job, then got on with global, then lost THAT job this year |
| 17:31.54 | lcuk | intelligent assembly line robots - each doing the best they can |
| 17:31.59 | texrat | feh |
| 17:32.07 | lcuk | feh indeed |
| 17:32.08 | texrat | few robots in Nokia |
| 17:32.22 | texrat | temp workers mostly |
| 17:32.25 | lcuk | humans are intelligent robots :) |
| 17:32.30 | texrat | hire and fire as needed |
| 17:32.43 | SpeedEvil | http://singularityhub.com/2009/09/15/someone-made-a-flexpicker-out-of-legos-nutty-video/ |
| 17:32.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:32.46 | lcuk | nods |
| 17:32.52 | RST38h | and this does not cause problems with quality? |
| 17:33.02 | texrat | yeah I've seen the lego assembly line stuff, very cool |
| 17:33.13 | texrat | @RST38h it *can* |
| 17:33.21 | texrat | but we monitored process-- my job |
| 17:33.22 | SpeedEvil | Not really. you do rigourous QC, and then shoot all the workers that made a defective part. |
| 17:33.23 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, !!!! |
| 17:33.27 | texrat | lol |
| 17:33.44 | texrat | we had an impressive operation... should not have closed |
| 17:34.40 | lcuk | what devices did you handle? |
| 17:34.46 | lcuk | /componetns |
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| 17:36.12 | ShadowJK | What happened after warping reflective layer? |
| 17:36.19 | andre__ | Folks, do you also agree that a request to provide Adobe AIR for Maemo5 is better handled in Brainstorm than in Bugzilla? |
| 17:36.27 | andre__ | wondering what to do with that bug report... |
| 17:36.38 | ShadowJK | Unless it caused the scrolling failure mode, I guess you succeeded at fixing it :P |
| 17:36.38 | RST38h | it is best handled by Praying |
| 17:36.59 | RST38h | but even then the chances are low |
| 17:36.59 | ShadowJK | What IS brainstorm? |
| 17:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, probably pointless to include it in either place. |
| 17:37.01 | andre__ | yeah, but god is out of scope when it comes to maemo |
| 17:37.07 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, not sure what's the Brainstorm. |
| 17:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | s/the/to/ |
| 17:37.21 | andre__ | http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/ ? |
| 17:37.38 | ShadowJK | waits for browser to start |
| 17:37.44 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, that's what i also think, but brainstorm at least can be used to propose different solutions how to attack this |
| 17:37.52 | texrat | lcuk: I handled 770, N800 and CDMA phones |
| 17:37.56 | RST38h | there are no different solution |
| 17:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia needs to talk to Adobe. |
| 17:38.10 | RST38h | there is only one solution and Nokia probably won't do it until Harmattan |
| 17:38.11 | RST38h | Yep |
| 17:38.13 | GeneralAntilles | I think that's about the only viable option. |
| 17:38.26 | andre__ | hmm. now how i do put this into nice, warm words? :-P |
| 17:38.27 | GeneralAntilles | Or the reporter needs to go beg Adobe. |
| 17:38.37 | RST38h | andre:you do not |
| 17:38.50 | RST38h | beggind adobe is useless |
| 17:39.03 | RST38h | well there is one way |
| 17:39.23 | RST38h | track down someone from the technical team working on Air-Arm at Adobe. Ask THAT guy |
| 17:39.25 | GeneralAntilles | Tell them to go look at JavaScript or something. |
| 17:39.27 | frals | id say refering to brainstorm and dropping a hint he needs to get a brown tongue and know someone at adobe ;) |
| 17:39.29 | RST38h | Give him an N900 |
| 17:39.40 | RST38h | Get friendly |
| 17:39.44 | ShadowJK | Atheists would say God hears your prayers more than Adobe |
| 17:39.51 | RST38h | So that the insider guy pushes your project through |
| 17:39.56 | GeneralAntilles | Or maybe he should just learn C. ;) |
| 17:40.07 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Yes, but have you tried sssacrificccce? =) |
| 17:40.26 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, ping? |
| 17:40.40 | RST38h | The insider solution is the only one I can think about and it does not involve Nokia |
| 17:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | Did anybody propose a package tracking widget? |
| 17:41.11 | lcuk | someone proposed a widget widget |
| 17:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, glxgears! |
| 17:41.59 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: duct-tape the n900 onto a package, and do the GPS thing? |
| 17:42.19 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: there is of course the trivially obvious nokia involving solution. |
| 17:42.36 | RST38h | Speed: Nothing involving Nokia is trivial |
| 17:42.36 | Stskeeps | vodka and sauna? |
| 17:42.42 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: nokia turns up at adobe HQ with a large suitcase of used bills. |
| 17:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, nah, ship the N900 before you ship the real package and assume that your benchmark will apply. |
| 17:42.52 | RST38h | Not gonna happen |
| 17:43.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: how do you turn off composite mode for the new desktop? as in, from code |
| 17:46.39 | RST38h | Sts: I really do not know: have not done anything desktop-friendly yet |
| 17:46.49 | Stskeeps | k |
| 17:46.52 | RST38h | either creates a GtkImage or bangs the fb0 |
| 17:47.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Do you use protection? |
| 17:48.00 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:48.10 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, your mind is always in the gutter |
| 17:48.31 | qwerty12_N810 | It lives there |
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| 17:49.10 | RST38h | qwerty: I flush on exit. |
| 17:49.10 | GeneralAntilles | 's $10-for-4 CA-101s are here. |
| 17:50.06 | rm_you | so, i love this: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_api_documentation/ |
| 17:50.25 | rm_you | the way that none of the links go anywhere is amazingly useful |
| 17:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 17:51.10 | frals | hmm |
| 17:51.13 | frals | they used to work |
| 17:51.14 | frals | :D |
| 17:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | What they're trying to tell you is that you should already know you stupid git. :P |
| 17:51.21 | Stskeeps | maemo 5 sdk release near? |
| 17:51.40 | GeneralAntilles | Better be out by the Summit. |
| 17:51.45 | frals | someone updated the links but didnt upload the new folder |
| 17:52.05 | RST38h | during the summit most likely |
| 17:52.05 | frals | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/ |
| 17:52.13 | frals | hopes that sign the final sdk lands *soon* |
| 17:52.16 | rm_you | thanks frals |
| 17:52.20 | frals | thats a sign* |
| 17:52.35 | RST38h | Is Stargate Universe worth watching or is it the same shit? |
| 17:52.59 | simula | it's worse imo |
| 17:53.02 | rm_you | dunno, after 10 seasons of SG1 and five seasons of Atlantis and four movies, i probably need to watch it anyway <_< |
| 17:53.06 | rm_you | i've put enough time in |
| 17:53.20 | RST38h | simula: is it possible? |
| 17:54.07 | simula | the new show is way more of a tragedy... so slow and so much crying |
| 17:54.09 | simula | heh |
| 17:54.36 | RST38h | Are main characters dying from the very start, Japanese style? |
| 17:54.53 | texrat | I am just gearing up for Zombieland |
| 17:54.56 | lcuk | lol rm_you |
| 17:55.05 | simula | i think just one person dies, but they spend like 5 minutes on it |
| 17:55.10 | GeneralAntilles | Oh, crap, I'm going to see that today. |
| 17:55.12 | simula | zombieland is sweet |
| 17:55.37 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Total guess, but you may need to play with the_HILDON_NON_COMPOSITED_WINDOW XAtom... |
| 17:56.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: k |
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| 17:56.27 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 17:56.53 | wazd | reheya again :) |
| 17:56.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Not a guess, then: http://www.mailfunnel.org/maemo-commits@maemo.org/2009-06/msg00004.html ;) |
| 17:57.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Changelog says it all. |
| 17:57.41 | RST38h | wazd: I started stepping through TI73 ROM in TI-supplied simulator. |
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| 17:58.06 | RST38h | wazd: The weird part is, it DOES go into 0xFFs from the very start. So I am doing something wrong later |
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| 17:59.08 | rm_you | lcuk: :P |
| 18:00.13 | lcuk | i think z4chh has the entire lot on continuous loop |
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| 18:01.42 | wazd | RST38h: should I draw a faceplate for ti73? |
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| 18:05.32 | Shapeshifter | what are you talking about with TIs all the time ? |
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| 18:06.56 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, they are building a deathstar |
| 18:07.03 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 18:07.04 | lcuk | and it needs figthers |
| 18:07.08 | lcuk | +sp |
| 18:07.47 | lcuk | in this galaxy, theres a group of TI emulators |
| 18:09.49 | GeneralAntilles | Shapeshifter, Texas Instruments calculators. |
| 18:09.59 | Shapeshifter | GeneralAntilles: I know what they are |
| 18:10.12 | GeneralAntilles | OK, then ATI85 emulator. |
| 18:10.26 | Shapeshifter | so, you're writing an emulator for the ti73? |
| 18:10.38 | GeneralAntilles | No, it's already been written. ;) |
| 18:10.46 | Shapeshifter | ah "almost ti" |
| 18:11.07 | Shapeshifter | mh, but it doesn't do ti89/92 |
| 18:11.21 | GeneralAntilles | :shrugs: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ati85/ |
| 18:11.24 | GeneralAntilles | Better than nothing. |
| 18:11.34 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, needs new screenshots. |
| 18:12.11 | Shapeshifter | tiemu does them http://sourceforge.net/projects/gtktiemu/files/ |
| 18:12.38 | Shapeshifter | http://lpg.ticalc.org/prj_tiemu/screenshots.html rather |
| 18:13.03 | qwerty12_N810 | TiEmu does not run with the best of speeds on an N8x0. Feel free to port it if you need TI89/92 emulation |
| 18:13.23 | Shapeshifter | i see |
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| 18:15.10 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 18:15.11 | rm_you | rmrmrm |
| 18:15.34 | GeneralAntilles | you! |
| 18:15.42 | rm_you | i like how their APIs are always missing just enough information that i can't do what i need to do without reverse engineering something <_< |
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| 18:19.45 | rm_you | actually, i LOVE nokia |
| 18:20.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Nokia HATE you |
| 18:20.11 | rm_you | their incompetence sometimes gives me an excuse to visit berlin, copenhagen, and amsterdam :P |
| 18:20.13 | jrocha | :) |
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| 18:22.08 | RST38h | What are your favorite positions when loving Nokia? |
| 18:22.24 | RST38h | ducks |
| 18:22.29 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 18:22.40 | lcuk | RST38h, assuming the position? |
| 18:22.42 | rm_you | rofl |
| 18:23.12 | rm_you | who knows, maybe now they are intentionally making tasks like changing the brightness difficult just to give me something to do :P |
| 18:24.12 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm surprised Nokia didn't just leave this in DSME... I mean, surely, changing the brightness can't be a trade secret? |
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| 18:24.22 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:24.58 | rm_you | actually it's probably that everything gets bogged down in ridiculous specifications that they can't do anything about |
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| 18:25.30 | rm_you | (the reason i somewhat dread working for a large company) |
| 18:26.00 | lcuk | thats half the game tho rm_you |
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| 18:26.09 | rm_you | T_T |
| 18:26.34 | AndrewFBlack | if anyone is wanting to do a theme and get it into extras with without a linux computer or with very little linux knowlege check out my new howto on building source package from theme maker output tmo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=339928#post339928 |
| 18:26.34 | rm_you | fighting against specifications that people give you that you know are wrong or incomplete? yeah <_< |
| 18:26.50 | EspadaV8 | ... i just realised, with Maemo 6, you could have a full KDE4 desktop |
| 18:26.53 | EspadaV8 | is impressed |
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| 18:27.21 | EspadaV8 | could possibly do that now with 5 in fact |
| 18:27.39 | qwerty12_N810 | It's already been done with 4 ;) |
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| 18:27.53 | EspadaV8 | ... it has |
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| 18:27.55 | EspadaV8 | wow |
| 18:28.04 | EspadaV8 | wants to install it on the n900 now |
| 18:28.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Mek has packages in a repo somewhere, I believe |
| 18:28.47 | Mek | I had some very old kde packages for diablo, yes |
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| 18:29.00 | pupnik | nice nick |
| 18:29.21 | Mek | for fremantle there will eventually be at least some parts of kde in extras-devel, but we're waiting for a new sdk release that fixes some problems we're having before we can push for example kdelibs |
| 18:29.27 | pupnik | kde sucks. just tried it through freenx. 10x slower than xfce |
| 18:29.44 | RST38h | hehe |
| 18:29.51 | Mek | the default kde style is not designed for remote desktop usage, that is true |
| 18:30.02 | johnsq | pupnik: people with short .... need it :9 |
| 18:30.11 | RST38h | ssh+screen is even faster than xfce |
| 18:30.30 | pupnik | tried changing to a simpler theme. still way to much ricer "bling" |
| 18:30.31 | lcuk | mek |
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| 18:30.58 | pupnik | speaking of which. gotta setup node.conf |
| 18:31.09 | EspadaV8 | Mek: awesome, really looking forward to that :-) |
| 18:31.10 | pupnik | woglinde eeeeee oh wog were are you |
| 18:31.13 | lcuk | you best not snore |
| 18:31.22 | Mek | lcuk: I'll try not to |
| 18:31.26 | lcuk | hopes he doesnt either |
| 18:31.36 | qwerty12_N810 | snoring > northerner accent |
| 18:31.50 | lcuk | i snore in northern! |
| 18:31.52 | pupnik | bring earplugs. the beer goggles will take care of the rest |
| 18:31.57 | lcuk | +1 |
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| 18:32.04 | lcuk | i bring earplugs anyway |
| 18:32.08 | pupnik | :) |
| 18:32.32 | Mek | lcuk: I'll also probably won't be arriving in amsterdam before about 1am thursday-night... I hope that isn't a problem for you? :) |
| 18:32.35 | EspadaV8 | is jealous |
| 18:32.59 | lcuk | 1am thursday night? you mean 1am friday morning? |
| 18:33.24 | Mek | yeah... |
| 18:33.27 | lcuk | ok |
| 18:33.39 | lcuk | sounds better actually |
| 18:34.07 | lcuk | how are you arriving |
| 18:34.10 | lcuk | and we need #s |
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| 18:34.14 | Mek | by train |
| 18:34.40 | florian | re |
| 18:34.46 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 18:34.49 | lcuk | hiya florian |
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| 18:43.15 | *** topic/#maemo by javispedro -> Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead |
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| 18:43.40 | javispedro | sorry, I was a bit sick of x-chat not recognizing the logs link. |
| 18:44.30 | johnsq | javispedro: normaly you are not allowed to change the topic, only ops and hops. |
| 18:44.44 | GAN800 | Topic is unlocked. |
| 18:44.45 | AndrewFBlack | wonders why Nokia didn't get the N900 into peoples hands in time for summit? |
| 18:44.59 | GAN800 | Incompetence. |
| 18:45.08 | javispedro | johnsq: this is maemo, every pervert can enter here and change the topic :) |
| 18:45.09 | GAN800 | Really stupid. |
| 18:45.23 | Sho_ | hopes Nokia will announce something to get the N900 into developer's hands *at* the summit |
| 18:45.56 | GAN800 | A KDE-style thing would be cool. |
| 18:46.03 | AndrewFBlack | I can't believe they could not have shipped the device a few week earilier |
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| 18:46.23 | GAN800 | But it's still going to be silly talking about Harmattan. |
| 18:46.44 | Sho_ | GAN800: well just a developer rebate program like for the n800/n810 would be good |
| 18:47.24 | GAN800 | Or that |
| 18:48.01 | GAN800 | A cashier and 400 $200 N900s would be acceptable. ;) |
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| 18:48.34 | GAN800 | and it's isn't a developer rebate program anymore. ;) |
| 18:48.43 | qwerty12_N810 | That's about as likely as you giving up publishing your newsletter |
| 18:49.01 | Sho_ | GAN800: Well I won't be at the summit sadly, so something you could sign up for online would be nicer |
| 18:49.14 | fiferboy | wonders why it is so hard to accumulate karma at maemo.org/packages |
| 18:49.24 | GAN800 | qwerty12, can you make ctrl-enter fullscreen in XChat? |
| 18:49.46 | GAN800 | Sho_, I was thinking in addition to. |
| 18:50.13 | GAN800 | fiferboy, no testers. :\ |
| 18:50.24 | Sho_ | No time or money to attend the summit sadly, but thankfully quite a few other KDE people will be there |
| 18:50.45 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: Sure, but you can also it yourself for the time-being: Settings->Advanced->Keyboard shortcuts |
| 18:50.45 | *** topic/#maemo by javispedro -> Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 09 -> http://tinyurl.com/maesum | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/N8x0, use Mer instead |
| 18:50.45 | javispedro | "fixes" rest of links. |
| 18:50.45 | qwerty12_N810 | +do |
| 18:50.54 | fiferboy | GAN800: I was at 9 before my latest change. 7 now :( |
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| 18:52.59 | wazd | Whole this karma system was made for qwerty12 to win «first app» competition )) |
| 18:53.12 | GAN800 | Ah, excellent. |
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| 18:53.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Of course! X-Fade designed it with my whorish nature in mind... |
| 18:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, it'll get better after release. |
| 18:54.49 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I thought we wanted apps in extras before release... |
| 18:55.12 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: We want apps, yes, but not your ones |
| 18:55.22 | GeneralAntilles | ^ :P |
| 18:55.26 | lcuk | even *I* have found time to ranking fiferboys app |
| 18:55.29 | fiferboy | Well, as long as you are just following procedure... |
| 18:55.35 | lcuk | (only cos he gave me a link - i couldnt find it otherwise) |
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| 18:55.58 | fiferboy | I will provide three free links to the next people who want to rate them! |
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| 18:56.04 | lcuk | has ranked so far 1 app |
| 18:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, so much better. |
| 18:56.20 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 18:56.41 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, (im gonna hate myself for saying this) i'll rank you if you like. |
| 18:57.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Doesn't matter, I'll be updating it after I fix some issues :) |
| 18:57.33 | javispedro | evil conspirators conspirating again .... ;P |
| 18:57.42 | lcuk | i tried your javispedro |
| 18:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Muahaha! |
| 18:57.50 | lcuk | but i couldnt find any games, nice menu tho :P |
| 18:58.02 | javispedro | hehe :P |
| 18:58.04 | wazd | You can expect anything from a man that dating infobot :D |
| 18:58.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Hey, infobot is mine! |
| 18:58.23 | qwerty12_N810 | ~$100 |
| 18:58.24 | infobot | ACTION gives qwerty12_n810 full service! |
| 18:58.37 | javispedro | ~$699 |
| 18:58.54 | javispedro | discrimation, of course. |
| 18:59.12 | wazd | He doesn't like this position) |
| 18:59.17 | javispedro | discrim-i-n-a-t-i-o-n |
| 18:59.39 | lcuk | how would we do on device test feedback |
| 19:00.19 | javispedro | easily solved. you first implement 3g video calling support and the videocall the dev. |
| 19:00.21 | lcuk | i mentioned somewhere - if you install an app from -test shouldnt a dialog pop up at a subtly later date |
| 19:00.32 | lcuk | that doesnt tick you an upvote tho |
| 19:00.41 | lcuk | its disjointed as it stands now |
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| 19:00.48 | lcuk | i install from tablet, i like on tablet |
| 19:00.52 | lcuk | i might not remember its name |
| 19:00.58 | lcuk | "emulator" |
| 19:01.04 | lcuk | but its in my menu |
| 19:01.07 | lcuk | and im using it |
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| 19:01.18 | eichi | is there a way so sync a maemo calendar with a linux laptop calendar without giving google all my dates? |
| 19:01.22 | lcuk | i would give the dev a thumbs up at that point |
| 19:01.31 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: With the current amount of packages in the QA queue, I don't think you're gonna run into that problem yet ;) |
| 19:01.36 | lcuk | but i cant navigate by linux package name |
| 19:01.50 | javispedro | maybe we should implement a ubuntu-like option in every app's help menu. |
| 19:01.57 | javispedro | ah yes, fremantle apps have no help ;) |
| 19:02.13 | qwerty12_N810 | fuck liblaunchpad-integration |
| 19:02.51 | lcuk | hack the .desktop file to launch a "if over24h ..." bit |
| 19:02.58 | lcuk | whenever you run a -test app |
| 19:03.12 | lcuk | doesnt know the answer but knows you get better feedback |
| 19:03.43 | javispedro | if over24h then extort_money_from_user(). if money_extorted < $100 brick_device() |
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| 19:04.11 | GeneralAntilles | That's clearly what we need the bme source for. |
| 19:04.34 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody go add that justification to bugzilla. |
| 19:04.34 | lcuk | rolleyes |
| 19:04.41 | qwerty12_N810 | /dev/mtd* |
| 19:04.57 | javispedro | >:) |
| 19:05.02 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, serial pads in the battery compartment. |
| 19:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not bricked enough. |
| 19:05.12 | javispedro | haha |
| 19:05.14 | qwerty12_N810 | True :( |
| 19:05.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Send Mr. T with a blowtorch? |
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| 19:06.50 | GeneralAntilles | Mmm . . . that was a good hotdog. |
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| 19:09.23 | lcuk | o_O |
| 19:09.31 | lcuk | use the flashing yellow updates ui |
| 19:09.53 | lcuk | have that tell you also of test packages you have and to give feedback |
| 19:10.18 | javispedro | you don't blink users for that. |
| 19:10.31 | javispedro | they will kill you and also give negative feedback no mather what. |
| 19:11.07 | SpeedEvil | I personally find killing is adequate. |
| 19:11.12 | SpeedEvil | no need for the feedback. |
| 19:11.51 | fiferboy | needs two more thumbs for countdown-home |
| 19:11.58 | javispedro | I guess the best way would be to add a "comment" button near the same place you downloaded the app. |
| 19:12.05 | javispedro | or even in "My apps". |
| 19:12.09 | lcuk | users != testers |
| 19:12.10 | lcuk | -test is not installed or configured on a tablet is it? |
| 19:12.11 | lcuk | i do not mean do this for all apps |
| 19:12.11 | lcuk | merely those you have specifically installed from -test |
| 19:12.11 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: How would you differentiate between an application installed from -testing with one installed from Extras? |
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| 19:12.11 | lcuk | apt policy tells you which source is being used for a version |
| 19:12.29 | GeneralAntilles | The Modern Warfare 2 trailer looks like Fallout 3. <_< |
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| 19:12.34 | rm_you | hrm |
| 19:12.35 | qwerty12_N810 | is tempted to make that "three thumbs" |
| 19:12.48 | fiferboy | hides qwerty12's mouse |
| 19:12.57 | lcuk | javispedro, not a bad idea - the updates and my apps are viewing subsets of each others data |
| 19:13.07 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: What mouse? I'm using a tablet. ;) |
| 19:13.10 | unixSnob | was able to send a registration for summit 2009, but got no response.. what does that mean? |
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| 19:13.21 | fiferboy | Foiled again! |
| 19:13.22 | rm_you | hrmrm |
| 19:13.26 | GeneralAntilles | Registration has been closed for a while. |
| 19:13.40 | lcuk | there might be dropouts |
| 19:13.48 | unixSnob | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but there's still a way to register |
| 19:13.48 | lcuk | its at full capacity now |
| 19:13.52 | GeneralAntilles | Nametags just went to the printers. |
| 19:13.59 | GeneralAntilles | The list may be final. |
| 19:14.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Sorry unixSnob, it means that you won't be getting a male roommate, never mind a female one |
| 19:14.10 | lcuk | went to a party in london |
| 19:14.14 | lcuk | and they had a name list :$ |
| 19:14.22 | rm_you | seem relevant |
| 19:14.26 | lcuk | but when she heard my name she didnt even have to check the list :$ |
| 19:14.27 | rm_you | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.29 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: well i got my own room anyway |
| 19:14.33 | lcuk | was gobsmacked |
| 19:14.59 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:15.05 | rm_you | i heard your name somewhere |
| 19:15.13 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: damn, I have already thumbed it up :( |
| 19:15.16 | rm_you | and i was like "lolwut, lcuk!?" |
| 19:15.24 | lcuk | when?> |
| 19:15.27 | rm_you | and they were like "umm?" |
| 19:15.40 | rm_you | dunno, someone was talking about something they saw on youtube |
| 19:15.44 | unixSnob | who's gonna open a back door for me? |
| 19:15.47 | rm_you | and i was like "wait, lcuk did that?!" |
| 19:15.58 | lcuk | does a lot of things |
| 19:16.03 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:16.34 | unixSnob | i'll vote for bugs, whoever opens the back door for me, tell what bugs you want fixed and i'll vote for them |
| 19:16.39 | rm_you | well they were showing me some video and talking about this cool thing, and i was like yeah, that's neat, and then your name popped up and i was like "lolwut, lcuk!?" (as previously stated) |
| 19:16.47 | unixSnob | anything else I can do to pimp myself out? |
| 19:16.53 | lcuk | onedotzero :) |
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| 19:17.03 | SpeedEvil | unixSnob: Shoes with dice in? |
| 19:17.04 | qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: go in a gimp suit with an iPhone |
| 19:17.36 | lbt | are there any meetup plans for thursday |
| 19:17.51 | lcuk | throws up a bit about an email |
| 19:17.52 | lbt | there's an arrival time table |
| 19:17.58 | unixSnob | guess I don't want in that bad |
| 19:18.07 | lcuk | ive been invited to a party :| |
| 19:18.07 | lbt | but no meeting points/times |
| 19:18.18 | unixSnob | gives up selling votes |
| 19:18.19 | lbt | lcuk: that's usually good |
| 19:18.29 | lcuk | a *cough* *cough* 7 launch party :| |
| 19:18.42 | javispedro | in the maemo summit?? |
| 19:18.43 | javispedro | cool! |
| 19:18.46 | lbt | lcuk: go |
| 19:18.51 | lbt | take your n900 |
| 19:18.57 | lcuk | hahaha |
| 19:19.08 | lbt | we should all gatecrash |
| 19:19.28 | lbt | hmm google "awkward questions for a 7 launch party" |
| 19:19.47 | rm_you | lol yeah |
| 19:19.53 | lcuk | "does your os connect to this?" |
| 19:20.04 | lcuk | "awww thats too bad, i can connect from my linux box, just fine |
| 19:20.21 | rm_you | is running win7 now... on his gaming machine >_> |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | but it does connect quite well :$ |
| 19:20.39 | lcuk | i wouldnt know, im happy with xp |
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| 19:34.45 | lbt | does anyone know what the following bit in the travel email means: AT CHECK-IN, PLEASE SHOW A PHOTO IDENTIFICATION AND THE DOCUMENT YOU GAVE FOR REFERENCE AT RESERVATION TIME |
| 19:35.06 | Stskeeps | lbt: show your passport or something.. |
| 19:35.21 | lbt | THE DOCUMENT YOU GAVE FOR REFERENCE AT RESERVATION TIME |
| 19:35.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know |
| 19:35.29 | lbt | that bit ... |
| 19:35.52 | Jaffa | lbt: Ignorable |
| 19:35.57 | lbt | air travel nowadays... they send you home if you blink wrong! |
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| 19:36.07 | Jaffa | lbt: Where you comingfrom? |
| 19:36.13 | lbt | Heathrow |
| 19:36.20 | Jaffa | Passport is all you'll need |
| 19:36.26 | Jaffa | And check-in online. |
| 19:36.30 | Jaffa | Print boarding pass. |
| 19:36.33 | lbt | can we do that? |
| 19:36.42 | Jaffa | Depends on the airline, but probably. |
| 19:36.42 | fiferboy | How far ahead can you check-in online? |
| 19:36.50 | Jaffa | fiferboy: Usually 22-24 hours |
| 19:36.51 | lcuk | takes a pile of papers and a pen |
| 19:36.53 | lbt | I couldn't last time as the agent reserved |
| 19:36.57 | fiferboy | Oh, I guess that would be airline dependant |
| 19:36.58 | lcuk | and panics his way through airports |
| 19:37.00 | lbt | and we didn't get passwd |
| 19:37.15 | Jaffa | lbt: When I've been booked by agents (although not this one), I've been able to |
| 19:37.15 | fiferboy | lcuk: You don't need paper: only liqbase |
| 19:37.37 | lcuk | fiferboy, surprisingly even that isnt fast enough at an airport |
| 19:37.43 | fiferboy | lol |
| 19:37.44 | rm_you | someone tell me what the pairwise disjointness test for grammars is and how i do it :P |
| 19:37.51 | lcuk | i normally write the gate # and time on side of hand |
| 19:37.52 | lbt | Jaffa: last time was easyjet to be fair... |
| 19:37.55 | lcuk | i look that often |
| 19:37.56 | lcuk | and panic |
| 19:38.07 | Jaffa | books his card parking |
| 19:38.29 | lcuk | dislikes travel, loves the destination |
| 19:38.38 | rm_you | agrees |
| 19:39.01 | rm_you | needs teleportation to be invented |
| 19:39.09 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:39.10 | lcuk | it has! |
| 19:39.15 | lcuk | do you want to be the first to try it?> |
| 19:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | It'd be less irritating if one didn't have to worry about connecting flights. |
| 19:39.42 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I lucked into a direct flight from Toronto |
| 19:39.51 | lcuk | its an intricate balled if it all goes accordingly |
| 19:39.51 | fiferboy | is glad he doesn't have to think about stop overs |
| 19:40.08 | lcuk | ballet even |
| 19:40.20 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: I'll be flying in just before you - you don't happen to know Amsterdam, do you? |
| 19:40.41 | rm_you | fiferboy: join the club |
| 19:40.47 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, not at all. |
| 19:40.52 | rm_you | it'll be me, you, GA, johnx... |
| 19:40.55 | rm_you | possibly more |
| 19:40.58 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, rm_you, johnx and me are meeting up at the airport. |
| 19:40.59 | lcuk | fiferboy, ask pupnik for directions :D |
| 19:41.01 | rm_you | all arriving at the same time and meeting up in the airport |
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| 19:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, if you want to wait 1:40 for rm_you to get in we're meeting at some coffee shop somewhere. |
| 19:41.37 | nielsslot | comes from Amsterdam |
| 19:41.39 | rm_you | am i after you guys? |
| 19:41.42 | nielsslot | anyone I can help? |
| 19:41.49 | fiferboy | I would love to meet up |
| 19:41.52 | GeneralAntilles | 7:00 7:40 8:00 8:40? |
| 19:41.56 | GeneralAntilles | Or are you 8:20? |
| 19:41.59 | rm_you | heh |
| 19:42.00 | rm_you | dunno |
| 19:42.04 | rm_you | checks |
| 19:42.25 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: What day? Thursday? |
| 19:42.28 | fiferboy | I don't mind waiting if it means not trying to find my own way :| |
| 19:42.28 | Jaffa | is landing at 08:20 |
| 19:42.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 19:42.58 | Stskeeps | just don't rely on n810 GPS. |
| 19:42.59 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel |
| 19:43.04 | GeneralAntilles | and anybody else. |
| 19:43.42 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: How long is the stop over in DC? |
| 19:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, 1:30 or so. |
| 19:44.02 | lbt | I was thinking we should have a few meeting place-times during the day |
| 19:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy/Jaffa, http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plattegronden/pdf/plattegrond_plaza_uk.pdf |
| 19:44.10 | fiferboy | lbt: I like that idea |
| 19:44.13 | lbt | 10am, 3pm 6pm |
| 19:44.26 | GeneralAntilles | qole may have mentioned something about pancakes for breakfast/brunch. |
| 19:44.46 | RST38h | General: Which DC airport? |
| 19:44.51 | GeneralAntilles | Location N under Bars & Restaurants on the Arrivals page. |
| 19:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | KIAD |
| 19:45.18 | rm_you | yeah i'm 8:20 |
| 19:45.19 | rm_you | so |
| 19:45.24 | rm_you | GA only has to wait 20 min |
| 19:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | Délifrance is where we're planning on meeting. |
| 19:45.41 | rm_you | or i could beat him if i get lucky on the customs line and he doesn't :P |
| 19:45.47 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 19:45.54 | fiferboy | I'll gladly wiat 120 mins |
| 19:46.13 | lcuk | we need an app for this |
| 19:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | removed the Newton and the 770 from his luggage. |
| 19:46.20 | lbt | Jaffa: when are you flying? |
| 19:46.26 | lcuk | "NOKIA" "N900" "MAEMO" flashing big |
| 19:46.38 | lcuk | so people can fill a table with it or leave it on high at the airport |
| 19:46.44 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, I'm wearing my maemo shirt. |
| 19:46.51 | lcuk | god help us! |
| 19:46.56 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody hasn't added their flight info to the Travel page, please do: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Travel |
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| 19:47.09 | lcuk | hahahahaha lbt ;) |
| 19:47.14 | RST38h | General: Ah! Best anal cavity searches in the area, courtesy of the DHS |
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| 19:47.41 | rm_you | which airlines are you guys on? |
| 19:47.58 | RST38h | And, by the way, I have now made BOTH TI73 and TI83+SE work |
| 19:47.58 | Jaffa | KLM |
| 19:48.12 | fiferboy | KLM |
| 19:48.43 | RST38h | KLM |
| 19:50.20 | lbt | Jaffa: should have come down to Heathrow for a sane departure time ;) |
| 19:50.34 | rm_you | GA? |
| 19:50.44 | rm_you | I'm on ... Continental Airlines |
| 19:51.21 | lcuk | is flying in a fokker |
| 19:51.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 19:51.54 | rm_you | brb rebooting to linux so i can actually work on this crap |
| 19:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | United |
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| 19:55.55 | fiferboy | You can check-in online with KLM 30 hours before departure (24 from the States) |
| 19:56.55 | GeneralAntilles | If anybody needs to find me Thursday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3985004298/ |
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| 19:57.36 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Good idea. I will be looking for the blue maemo guy |
| 19:58.03 | GeneralAntilles | wishes that shirt weren't so oversized. |
| 19:58.14 | Veggen | I tried check-in through SMS, once. The air company told me "you can now check in by SMS to <flight number> just by responding by <something> to this SMS" |
| 19:58.23 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: That shirt is so last century |
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| 19:58.47 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, hey, it's visible, though. :P |
| 19:58.59 | fnordianslip | lcuk: that particular fokker is an airbus ;-) |
| 19:59.04 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, johnx'll be the red Danish weekend shirt, apparently. |
| 19:59.07 | qwerty12_N810 | It is, certainly :p |
| 19:59.19 | fiferboy | takes notes |
| 19:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's also wonderfully ironic. |
| 19:59.24 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: i knew you were thin ... but in that shirt.... |
| 19:59.36 | Veggen | I did so. problem is, <flight number> wasn't the one I'd booked on, so responding made me agree to reroute through Oslo instead of a direct flight. |
| 19:59.41 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, it's about 3 sizes too big. |
| 19:59.53 | lbt | I can barely see you in it! |
| 20:00.12 | GeneralAntilles | Good genes, I guess. :P |
| 20:00.14 | Veggen | I wasn't very happy with that :P Luckily, lady in the counter could book me back on the direct flight. |
| 20:00.19 | lbt | fiferboy: remember ... the security guys are looking for signs of weakness and humility. Don't take any shit off them!! |
| 20:00.31 | lcuk | haha |
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| 20:00.35 | lcuk | dont scare him more |
| 20:00.41 | fiferboy | :) |
| 20:00.54 | qwerty12_N810 | Must avoid anti-Canadian remark |
| 20:01.08 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Good restraint! |
| 20:01.19 | GeneralAntilles | fiferboy, if we miss each other you have to head to the hotel alone, Ibis is right next to central station, so it's only a train ride away. |
| 20:01.27 | boris_ | hi i want to know where is the maemo kernel image on my nokia? |
| 20:01.28 | lcuk | "only" |
| 20:01.36 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. I was looking at the train as an alternative |
| 20:01.42 | lcuk | trains travel out of amsterdam and end up in far flung european countries |
| 20:01.51 | boris_ | it's n800 with maemo 4.1.2 |
| 20:01.54 | fiferboy | lcuk: Thanks :| |
| 20:02.05 | lcuk | lol fiferboy |
| 20:02.18 | lcuk | when i went to london i was stood at a platform diligently waiting for my train |
| 20:02.23 | boris_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.24 | lcuk | me and a few others |
| 20:02.37 | lcuk | another train on the next platform setoff and there was no sign of ours |
| 20:02.38 | lcuk | .. |
| 20:03.10 | GeneralAntilles | We can check bags at the hotel before check-in, right? |
| 20:03.13 | crashanddie__ | boris_, does it matter? |
| 20:03.14 | lcuk | took us a few minutes to realise since we had gone onto the platform they had changed which one it would come into |
| 20:03.33 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, yes, most hotels provide concierge service... Since something like 1430 |
| 20:03.39 | fiferboy | lcuk: That has happened to me |
| 20:03.44 | boris_ | crashanddie__, i want to install arch mobile on my n800 and i need that image |
| 20:03.51 | boris_ | is this the right place to ask ? |
| 20:03.57 | crashanddie__ | boris_, it is indeed |
| 20:04.10 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, hey, I've never been out of the country. :P |
| 20:04.12 | javispedro | boris_: but you most probably don't want that image. why would you need it for? |
| 20:04.18 | Veggen | weirdest plane check-in I've experienced was in Charles-de-Gaulle, France. They actually managed to perform boarding to two planes from the same gate. |
| 20:04.25 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, well, for your local hotel then: since 1978 |
| 20:04.26 | luke-jr | I concur with javispedro. |
| 20:04.46 | RST38h | Just call it a robe |
| 20:04.47 | crashanddie__ | Veggen, happens quite a lot in a lot of different airports |
| 20:04.59 | crashanddie__ | Veggen, seen that in Stansted, Gatwick, Girona, Rome |
| 20:05.08 | lcuk | lol crashanddie__ i thought your 1430 was what time you could drop bags off at :$ |
| 20:05.13 | boris_ | crashanddie__, i want to try to copy it to my arch mobile build environment and boot from it |
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| 20:05.27 | Veggen | now, in the middle of the footway to the plane, after check-in, there was a lady asking everyone what plane they was going to, and pointing in different directions. |
| 20:05.45 | luke-jr | boris_: and you need to copy the kernel why? |
| 20:05.45 | GeneralAntilles | Just FYI, check-in at Ibis is at 14:00. |
| 20:05.45 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, fail :P |
| 20:05.53 | Veggen | crashanddie: really? you'd think there was a way to avoid it ;P |
| 20:06.02 | GeneralAntilles | Jetways! |
| 20:06.05 | derf | Veggen: At LAX I think they just had signs. |
| 20:06.07 | lcuk | crashanddie__, i fail at many things. but i get up and try again :P |
| 20:06.09 | boris_ | luke-jr, because i can't compile it |
| 20:06.14 | boris_ | i don't have a kernel |
| 20:06.21 | luke-jr | boris_: sure you do, it's on your N800 |
| 20:06.23 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, us hackers don't fail. We succeed at finding what doesn't work. |
| 20:06.26 | luke-jr | boris_: leave it where it is |
| 20:06.35 | derf | JFK had a ridiculous number of flights going through the same gate (like 4 or 5 at once). |
| 20:06.35 | javispedro | I guess http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=81487 |
| 20:06.47 | crashanddie__ | derf, only for domestic flights though |
| 20:06.53 | derf | Yes. |
| 20:07.05 | lcuk | ran through cdg once |
| 20:07.07 | derf | The LAX one was international, though. |
| 20:07.08 | lcuk | i was told to run |
| 20:07.09 | lcuk | so i did |
| 20:07.15 | lcuk | i almost killed myself |
| 20:07.34 | lcuk | passed that bolt guy |
| 20:08.04 | crashanddie__ | LAX was probably the most ridiculous one I saw. I'm an alien in the US, I had to go through a separate gate, and after "check-in", we were put in another room with everyone else, and then went to the planes with a bus that also dropped off people at other flights... |
| 20:08.16 | Veggen | lcuk: i ran through Amsterdam. And in old Oslo airport, I once got to the airport 1 minute before scheduled take-off, noticed there was *no* more planes leaving that evening according to the information screen.... |
| 20:08.41 | crashanddie__ | bribed a Ryanair manager to be able to check-in while late |
| 20:08.42 | lcuk | yikes! |
| 20:09.04 | derf | LAX is pretty ridiculous even for citizens. |
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| 20:09.12 | Veggen | So I just ran to the gates the plane would usually go from. Saw a door that was just about to close, managed to stop it, and got on the plane. |
| 20:09.21 | crashanddie__ | well, Ryanair "manager", that's the name on his contract, it probably means he gets paid £4 an hour instead of £3 |
| 20:09.24 | lcuk | !! :D |
| 20:09.35 | Veggen | That was the fastest airport-passing I've ever done. Took me about 4 minutes. |
| 20:09.54 | lcuk | they shouldv given you a streamer ribbon at the finish! |
| 20:10.00 | toggles_w | Veggen: bags? |
| 20:10.03 | lcuk | was your luggage as lucky? |
| 20:10.09 | crashanddie__ | And ever since, the police is still looking for a runner in Oslo airport |
| 20:10.11 | Veggen | toggles: none, was a day-trip. |
| 20:10.25 | lcuk | lol @ airport streaking |
| 20:10.25 | toggles_w | lucky ;-) |
| 20:10.29 | crashanddie__ | by show of hands, who here is taking a checked-in bag for the summit? |
| 20:10.41 | lcuk | "checked-in" ? |
| 20:10.41 | Stskeeps | still pondering if i am or not |
| 20:10.50 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, in hold |
| 20:11.01 | Veggen | now, I've actually once done it in 10 minutes *including* buying ticket. |
| 20:11.03 | lcuk | yeah, how would i get my clothes |
| 20:11.09 | GeneralAntilles | is. |
| 20:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | One backpack, one duffel. |
| 20:11.25 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, yeah, but you got like an extra 24h worth of travel |
| 20:11.26 | lcuk | 2 bags - they should be in hold shouldnt they? |
| 20:11.29 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, carry-on. |
| 20:11.42 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, one is, I'm only taking one bag -- in cabin |
| 20:11.47 | boris_ | luke-jr, leave it where it is ? |
| 20:11.48 | Veggen | ...and including luggage. It was in the days one was allowed to bring luggage to the gate if you were too late to check it in. |
| 20:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | Carry-on is for pros. |
| 20:11.50 | Stskeeps | ah, damn, .. i have to take luggage too |
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| 20:11.56 | GeneralAntilles | It has to be less than 4 days for me, though |
| 20:12.01 | GeneralAntilles | and not involve going to a tech conference. :P |
| 20:12.11 | boris_ | can i have two OSes and one kernel ? |
| 20:12.13 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: relink? |
| 20:12.19 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3985004298/ |
| 20:12.20 | boris_ | i dont think so |
| 20:12.33 | lcuk | pullin out my tablet collection at security is going to be "interesting" |
| 20:12.45 | rm_you | oh, nice GA |
| 20:12.51 | rm_you | mine are all the ones i made for the first summit |
| 20:12.54 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, I saw this awesome new victorinox bag, with "compression chamber". Basically, you just put clothes, and then pump, and it compresses the compartment |
| 20:12.57 | rm_you | or i could wear the official one |
| 20:12.59 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:13.04 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, nice. |
| 20:13.11 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, must be hell with wrinkles, though. |
| 20:13.12 | crashanddie__ | £350 though |
| 20:13.15 | rm_you | lcuk: yeah i got chewed out by the security lady |
| 20:13.28 | GeneralAntilles | Security theater |
| 20:13.30 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, they gave a free "Folding guide" with it |
| 20:13.31 | GeneralAntilles | When is it going to end? |
| 20:13.32 | lcuk | my pants nearly fell down coming back from cph |
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| 20:13.34 | javispedro | boris_: you can have as many OSes as you want with a single kernel. |
| 20:13.39 | lcuk | they wanted my belt as well as tech |
| 20:13.40 | javispedro | as long as those OSes work with the kernel, of course. |
| 20:13.52 | derf | crashanddie__: Minimum wage in California is $8 (about £5). |
| 20:14.06 | lcuk | but must dash |
| 20:14.11 | lcuk | lots and lots and lots to do |
| 20:14.15 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, though, I wonder how airport security would react: "Anything to declare sir?" "Yup, my bag is pressurised at 30 bar, broke my record this morning while packing" |
| 20:14.23 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 20:14.29 | javispedro | boris_, I don't know what your problem is, but the sad truth is that you're not changing the device kernel anytime soon unless you are a kernel hacker. |
| 20:14.31 | luke-jr | boris_: yes |
| 20:14.43 | luke-jr | boris_: in fact, it is currently impossible to have more than one kernel |
| 20:14.44 | crashanddie__ | derf, damn, must suck to be on minimum wage |
| 20:14.58 | derf | crashanddie__: I get annoyed at all the European airlines that try to set a weight limit. |
| 20:15.13 | derf | "12 kg? This bag was 24, at least." |
| 20:15.14 | crashanddie__ | derf, don't fly with Ryanair |
| 20:15.34 | boris_ | jabis, i am NOT changing the device kernel |
| 20:15.39 | derf | Somehow they'll let you come over there without issue, but then you can't leave without checking your bag. |
| 20:15.43 | boris_ | why do you think i'm changing it ?? |
| 20:15.47 | boris_ | i never said that |
| 20:15.48 | crashanddie__ | The only airline that asks you to pay to be allowed to print your own ticket. "why thank you for having me pay TO USE MY OWN PRINTER" |
| 20:16.00 | boris_ | luke-jr, ??? |
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| 20:16.47 | luke-jr | boris_: you don't need to extract the kernel |
| 20:17.12 | crashanddie__ | derf, basically, hand luggage (cabin) has to be under 10kg, most decent airlines allow two pieces of hand luggage (one actual luggage + handbag/laptop bag), most hold luggage has to be under 15-20kg |
| 20:17.29 | boris_ | i dont need to extract the kernel i need the image so i can put it in my arch linux arm port and boot it |
| 20:17.36 | crashanddie__ | derf, if you're traveling with over 10kg worth of clothes for a 3 day conference, you're doing it wrong |
| 20:17.52 | derf | I go there for weeks at a time without checking bags. |
| 20:18.00 | luke-jr | boris_: you don't. |
| 20:18.12 | luke-jr | boris_: your Arch Linux ARM port does not need a kernel in it |
| 20:18.18 | crashanddie__ | derf, where do you live in ca? |
| 20:18.24 | derf | I don't live in CA. |
| 20:18.26 | boris_ | yeah right ... |
| 20:18.29 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: it does need modules ideally though |
| 20:18.29 | derf | I live in DC. |
| 20:18.34 | derf | Well, near DC. |
| 20:18.39 | luke-jr | boris_: and if it did, you're screwed, since the shipped kernel is illegal to distribute as-is |
| 20:18.40 | crashanddie__ | virginia? |
| 20:18.45 | luke-jr | as are those modules Stskeeps just mentioned |
| 20:19.05 | luke-jr | boris_: you'll need to either use a newer Linux or symlink the initfs modules |
| 20:19.10 | derf | crashanddie__: Yes. |
| 20:19.17 | crashanddie__ | charlotte? |
| 20:19.30 | derf | No, inside the beltway. |
| 20:19.31 | luke-jr | or provide a script to install the Maemo .debs |
| 20:19.50 | crashanddie__ | k |
| 20:19.56 | derf | The part of DC that DC gave back. |
| 20:20.03 | crashanddie__ | has no idea what the beltway is |
| 20:20.15 | derf | It's the large highway system around DC. |
| 20:20.21 | crashanddie__ | ah |
| 20:20.24 | derf | Circles the city. |
| 20:20.45 | crashanddie__ | I remember talking to this guy on LinkedIn, old friend, he said he just moved to Richmond, I'm like "Hell yeah bro, let's meet up" |
| 20:20.56 | derf | Haha. |
| 20:21.00 | derf | I'm guessing not the same Richmond. |
| 20:21.09 | crashanddie__ | I tell him to go to the french brasserie on the east side of the big park that same night at 8 |
| 20:21.25 | crashanddie__ | figures there's an ocean separating us |
| 20:21.48 | toggles_w | ls |
| 20:21.51 | toggles_w | ls |
| 20:21.53 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:21.57 | SpeedEvil | rm |
| 20:22.01 | rm_you | high-fives toggles_w |
| 20:22.03 | crashanddie__ | du -sh |
| 20:22.09 | qwerty12_N810 | rm_toggles_w |
| 20:22.25 | rm_you | du -s * | sort -g |
| 20:22.51 | lcuk | crazy talk - get a gui |
| 20:23.19 | javispedro | right click on toggles_w, then click on delete, then click on allow, then click on allow again, the click on yes, then right click on the recycle bin... |
| 20:23.21 | crashanddie__ | ^\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?:(\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?\s+)+(\\w+(/\\w+)*(\\.\\w+)?\s*){0,1}$ |
| 20:23.42 | lcuk | javispedro, at least you can guess what to do easily.. |
| 20:23.48 | javispedro | :) |
| 20:23.58 | lcuk | ls urgwhatnow |
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| 20:24.05 | plastun | hello |
| 20:24.12 | lcuk | sits sometimes staring at _ |
| 20:24.17 | javispedro | ls TABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTABTAB until your tab key gets that graesy feeling |
| 20:24.22 | lcuk | waiting for clippy to appear |
| 20:24.26 | plastun | does anybody use gtk.rc_pase in Fremantle? |
| 20:24.36 | crashanddie__ | you |
| 20:24.55 | javispedro | anybody else? :) |
| 20:25.17 | crashanddie__ | javispedro, i usually wash my hands after eating with my fingers |
| 20:25.24 | crashanddie__ | javispedro, helps keeping the keyboard fat-free |
| 20:25.27 | lcuk | never heard of it - whats it do |
| 20:25.30 | plastun | yes, I do :) |
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| 20:27.12 | javispedro | fortunately, today only 9 / 10 "active" topics are n900 related in tmo. |
| 20:29.55 | RST38h | <yawn> |
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| 20:30.45 | lbt | schipol airport map http://content.schiphol.nl/info/plattegronden/pdf/plattegrond_plaza_uk.pdf |
| 20:31.42 | crashanddie__ | just follow taxi/shuttle/train indications |
| 20:31.44 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, it gets the dirt off your hands. :P |
| 20:32.09 | RST38h | btw, what is the preferred route from schipol to the hotel? |
| 20:32.11 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: did we decide where we're meeting up? just, around? :P |
| 20:32.16 | RST38h | metro? bus? |
| 20:32.18 | crashanddie__ | or other parts of your body, depending on what you do |
| 20:32.22 | crashanddie__ | RST38h, train |
| 20:32.26 | GeneralAntilles | rm_you, map marker N on the arrivals page. |
| 20:32.31 | GeneralAntilles | Délifrance |
| 20:33.01 | crashanddie__ | lol |
| 20:33.12 | crashanddie__ | Schiphol marketing fell in love with Clooney |
| 20:33.22 | crashanddie__ | their actual slogan is "Schiphol. Where else?" |
| 20:33.55 | crashanddie__ | and no, I'm not making this up: http://www.schiphol.nl/upload/4c7c7dfb-f9a5-4ca1-8ac1-7d27a90cbed2_Schiphol_Whereelse.jpg |
| 20:34.47 | crashanddie__ | RST38h, train from AMS to Amsterdam takes about 15-20 minutes |
| 20:35.14 | lcuk | how far on foot |
| 20:35.19 | derf | RST38h: Yes, I recommend the train, as well. |
| 20:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, central station is about 500 yards away. |
| 20:35.44 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, it's as far using the train as on foot |
| 20:35.50 | RST38h | Thanks =) |
| 20:35.54 | crashanddie__ | distances don't change based on your means of transport ;) |
| 20:35.56 | RST38h | Where do I get off though? |
| 20:35.59 | crashanddie__ | a mile is still a mile ;) |
| 20:36.01 | GeneralAntilles | 16km from Schiphol to Ibis. |
| 20:36.02 | lcuk | but if i get the wrong train, its a LOT further |
| 20:36.04 | crashanddie__ | RST38h, when it says "Amsterdam" |
| 20:36.07 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, central station. |
| 20:36.10 | RST38h | Ahhahaha |
| 20:36.14 | RST38h | Ok, I see it on the map |
| 20:36.33 | crashanddie__ | does the train actually go anywhere else after Amsterdam? |
| 20:37.34 | lbt | I added the map and meet point to the wiki page |
| 20:37.56 | aSIMULAter | meet point? |
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| 20:38.36 | Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: point where people who are arriving at same time in airport meet up and go into city/hotel from :P |
| 20:38.53 | aSIMULAter | oho ppl are actually doing that |
| 20:39.00 | aSIMULAter | interesting |
| 20:39.15 | crashanddie__ | no, it's all a fad just to get your hopes up |
| 20:39.25 | aSIMULAter | you guys going to hold hands |
| 20:39.27 | aSIMULAter | whilst you walk to your hotels |
| 20:39.33 | aSIMULAter | together |
| 20:39.52 | crashanddie__ | especially lcuk, Jaffa and jussi are very bad at it, they say "Wanna come for dinner?", and then they fuck off 5 minutes before you arrive, so you have to wait for 1.5 hours in the cold |
| 20:39.53 | derf | crashanddie__: Some of the trains do. |
| 20:40.05 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, the buddy system is very effective. |
| 20:40.25 | aSIMULAter | yz |
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| 20:40.26 | javispedro | bah, just get lost already ;) |
| 20:40.48 | crashanddie__ | and obviously, because nobody actually knows how to give direction, nor to ask, they tell you to go to the "Charing Cross Bridge", which doesn't exist in our version of reality |
| 20:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, I think the master plan is to get pancakes at some point. |
| 20:41.11 | JoeBrain | french toast > pancakes |
| 20:41.18 | derf | crashanddie__: If stay on the train too long, you could wind up in Rotterdamn or Utrecht. |
| 20:41.18 | aSIMULAter | oh u didn't just type that did you |
| 20:41.20 | crashanddie__ | wtf is "french toast"? |
| 20:41.21 | aSIMULAter | pancakes > * |
| 20:41.24 | aSIMULAter | i forgot |
| 20:41.26 | aSIMULAter | bacon > * |
| 20:41.45 | crashanddie__ | there's no such thing as "french toast", get out of jamie oliver's ass |
| 20:41.46 | Stskeeps | the hotel better have bacon for breakfast. |
| 20:41.57 | derf | crashanddie__: Gypsy toast. |
| 20:41.59 | aSIMULAter | yz it BETTER |
| 20:42.00 | JoeBrain | crashanddie__: I don't think Jamie Oliver created "french toast" ... |
| 20:42.02 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, bread slices covered in a milk/egg/cinnamon/vanilla/sugar concoction and then cooked. |
| 20:42.03 | lcuk | there is doubt about bacon for breakfast? |
| 20:42.06 | aSIMULAter | what hotels are u guys staying at? |
| 20:42.16 | javispedro | aSIMULAter: bash: *: ambiguous redirect |
| 20:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | Ibis |
| 20:42.18 | GeneralAntilles | Central |
| 20:42.23 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, definitely not french |
| 20:42.24 | lcuk | i actually have a 3 course breakfast :$ |
| 20:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | For the sponsored people. |
| 20:42.46 | JoeBrain | Isn't Jamie Oliver English anyways? |
| 20:42.57 | aSIMULAter | i might need to hold someone's hand going to the summit on friday morning :/ |
| 20:42.58 | crashanddie__ | lcuk, bacon with cereal, bacon with toast, bacon with nutella spread? |
| 20:43.07 | aSIMULAter | cause i was thinking of taking a taxi unless ppl are taking public transport? |
| 20:43.14 | lcuk | lol aSIMULAter |
| 20:43.16 | lcuk | dont be scared |
| 20:43.17 | aSIMULAter | bacon with bacon infused milk |
| 20:43.19 | GeneralAntilles | aSIMULAter, how far is your hotel? |
| 20:43.21 | lcuk | no: |
| 20:43.23 | lcuk | coffee |
| 20:43.24 | GeneralAntilles | Ibis is walking distance, really. |
| 20:43.28 | aSIMULAter | i'm staying at mövenpick |
| 20:43.29 | lcuk | pineapple+yogurt |
| 20:43.32 | aSIMULAter | oh |
| 20:43.37 | lcuk | bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+bacon+egg |
| 20:43.39 | aSIMULAter | oh so not ibis centraal |
| 20:43.45 | aSIMULAter | you're staying at ibis west centraL? |
| 20:43.54 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, yup |
| 20:43.56 | aSIMULAter | ok |
| 20:43.58 | GeneralAntilles | Hang, on, let me look at the map again. |
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| 20:44.09 | crashanddie__ | I'm about 10 minutes out from west central |
| 20:44.09 | aSIMULAter | wimpers, alone...in the central of amsterdam |
| 20:44.22 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, Ibis Central |
| 20:44.25 | GeneralAntilles | Which is farther than I thought |
| 20:44.27 | GeneralAntilles | nevermind. |
| 20:44.27 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, amsterdam is probably one of the safer big cities to be in on your own |
| 20:44.33 | aSIMULAter | yz i think u're nearer to my hotel GeneralAntilles |
| 20:44.48 | aSIMULAter | crashanddie__: i'm actually just kidding hehe..but it would be nice to travel with people at the same time to the summit |
| 20:45.08 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, you're going to a geek convention, people are associal and introvert by default |
| 20:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | is just going to spend the Summit in his hotel room. :D |
| 20:45.36 | crashanddie__ | asking a geek if he wants to share a cab is like asking a girl on the street if you can caress her feet |
| 20:45.38 | aSIMULAter | maybe i'll just irc then |
| 20:45.55 | aSIMULAter | actually damn right am i going to irc from teh summit |
| 20:45.57 | JoeBrain | it's uncomfortable but you do it anyways crashanddie__ ? |
| 20:46.05 | lcuk | aSIMULAter, blast me your #, ill check if my conversations is fixed |
| 20:46.10 | aSIMULAter | ok |
| 20:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | Why doesn't Google Maps have public transit info for Amesterdam? . . . |
| 20:46.21 | GeneralAntilles | s/Ame/Am/ |
| 20:46.25 | crashanddie__ | JoeBrain, I cab everywhere, don't meet people on the street |
| 20:46.32 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: cos of the transport strike? ;p |
| 20:46.38 | aSIMULAter | do the cabs FINALLY take card in amsterdam? |
| 20:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, but that's Wednesday! |
| 20:46.44 | aSIMULAter | geez everytime i went around i had to pay in cash |
| 20:46.45 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, does Google Maps have public transport info anywhere? |
| 20:46.54 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, lot of US cities. |
| 20:46.56 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, cash it is |
| 20:47.01 | GeneralAntilles | Included some rather small ones. |
| 20:47.22 | Shapeshifter | has someone tried vpnc on the n900? |
| 20:47.56 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, card in cabs is quite a novelty, even in the UK |
| 20:48.08 | aSIMULAter | crashanddie__: out of curiosity..since u live there, how far is ciel bleu from mövenpick do u know? |
| 20:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | For instance: http://tinyurl.com/ychldwg |
| 20:48.17 | aSIMULAter | i mean i can look at it on a map..but is there good public transportation links? |
| 20:48.22 | crashanddie__ | I don't live in NL |
| 20:48.25 | aSIMULAter | o |
| 20:48.37 | aSIMULAter | i'm just used to paying everything with card here in helsinki |
| 20:48.40 | derf | NL has pretty good public transportation. |
| 20:48.50 | aSIMULAter | living in london yeah had to use cash all the time |
| 20:48.52 | aSIMULAter | <3 card |
| 20:48.55 | aSIMULAter | i have to take out cash |
| 20:48.58 | aSIMULAter | and carry it in my purse OMG |
| 20:48.58 | aSIMULAter | wtf |
| 20:49.00 | aSIMULAter | wtf cash |
| 20:49.04 | lcuk | aSIMULAter, the transport will be "call me a cab please" |
| 20:49.08 | crashanddie__ | I rarely have cash on me, unless I cab |
| 20:49.19 | derf | I don't know how it compares to Helsinki, but it's infinitely better than public transport in the US. |
| 20:49.36 | lcuk | fills out contact form as "adele - technical support" |
| 20:49.36 | crashanddie__ | derf, which isn't hard, seeing as it's non-existent in 99% of the US |
| 20:49.39 | nielsslot | aSIMULAter: http://www.gvb.nl/english/travellers/maps/Pages/Networkmap.aspx << map of public transport in Amsterdam |
| 20:49.43 | aSIMULAter | well compared to london where public transportation doens't work if there's a leaf that hit the train tracks nad hte metropolitan line is down for 2 hours |
| 20:49.46 | aSIMULAter | it's great |
| 20:49.47 | aSIMULAter | i love it |
| 20:49.50 | aSIMULAter | i love helsinki transport |
| 20:49.52 | crashanddie__ | USA's view of public transport is a train coast to coast, once a week |
| 20:49.53 | aSIMULAter | it's fast, it's on time, it's frequent |
| 20:50.08 | derf | aSIMULAter: Right, NL is also like that. |
| 20:50.14 | aSIMULAter | 5km of travel isn't 45 mins like with the tube and dlr, it's just 20 mins with the metro etc |
| 20:50.17 | GeneralAntilles | We prefer the comfort and freedom of personal automobiles. ;) |
| 20:50.19 | Shapeshifter | japan public transport <3 |
| 20:50.27 | Shapeshifter | hope I can wittness it one day |
| 20:50.37 | derf | Shapeshifter: It's actually pretty close to Japan's. |
| 20:50.43 | aSIMULAter | oho i had to give up my cali drivers license to get a finnish one..i should type to you guys one of the questions |
| 20:50.45 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, oh yeah, I can see 16M cars in the area of London ;) |
| 20:50.50 | aSIMULAter | speaking of vehicles |
| 20:51.07 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, if you take DLR, you're doing it wrong :P |
| 20:51.12 | derf | I don't think there was a late train the entire time I was there. |
| 20:51.14 | Shapeshifter | derf: well, ours (Zurich) is very good as well. But here, the trains don't look like space ships and people don't line up before the doors |
| 20:51.14 | aSIMULAter | Why is it necessary not to warn other road users about traffic control? |
| 20:51.16 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie__, hey, not my problem if you guys are living on top of eachother. :P |
| 20:51.23 | Stskeeps | ponders what madman came up with wifi at 6 EUR/hour |
| 20:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | I wish every airport were like KTPA. |
| 20:51.52 | derf | Shapeshifter: I did hit rushhour at one point in NL that came close to Tokyo's crowding, too. |
| 20:51.52 | GeneralAntilles | Free WiFi! |
| 20:52.00 | crashanddie__ | Stskeeps, the same who came up with wifi at .1 EUR/minute? |
| 20:52.04 | aSIMULAter | answer: because the person you warn may be a criminal and by doing so you will commit a criminal act |
| 20:52.04 | aSIMULAter | lul |
| 20:52.12 | aSIMULAter | well the only way tot o travel to canary wharf area is dlr... |
| 20:52.17 | aSIMULAter | or i guess, tube |
| 20:52.24 | aSIMULAter | but i was living ec1 easier to take dlr |
| 20:52.46 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, lol... there's a tube station under CW |
| 20:52.50 | derf | Shapeshifter: But they didn't have people with little white gloves whose job it is to shove people on the train. |
| 20:53.04 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn |
| 20:53.07 | qwerty12_N810 | <3's the tube. Then again, I only take the District line... |
| 20:53.09 | aSIMULAter | true, but if you live near hte circle line, and dlr which goes straight to canary wharf, which would you choose |
| 20:53.34 | crashanddie__ | qwerty12_N810, lol... misread that, thought you said "/me loves the tube, then again, i live in the lake district" |
| 20:53.40 | Stskeeps | wonders if korbe is coming for summit |
| 20:53.42 | crashanddie__ | I was like, wtf? lake district in east london? |
| 20:53.43 | Shapeshifter | derf: :) |
| 20:53.53 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie__: lol |
| 20:53.59 | Shapeshifter | subways ftl |
| 20:54.02 | GeneralAntilles | I want freejazz to come. |
| 20:54.10 | Shapeshifter | they are always gloomy. |
| 20:54.15 | Shapeshifter | tramways ftw :) |
| 20:54.15 | aSIMULAter | i read that "freejizz" |
| 20:54.17 | aSIMULAter | oops |
| 20:54.22 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, lmao, same here |
| 20:54.24 | lcuk | did too |
| 20:54.25 | aSIMULAter | haha |
| 20:54.32 | GeneralAntilles | Get your minds out of the gutter. |
| 20:54.36 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie__ and lcuk obviously want some |
| 20:54.42 | aSIMULAter | i know i know i should act more lady like etc |
| 20:54.55 | crashanddie__ | aSIMULAter, you're actually a YY? |
| 20:55.16 | aSIMULAter | yes, though i guess my gender is irrelivant technically |
| 20:55.46 | GeneralAntilles | Hrm, somebody want to read this public transit map to me? |
| 20:55.48 | crashanddie__ | I guess it's rude to ask someone about his chromosomes... Though after the crap we got at athletism, you're never too sure |
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| 20:56.02 | frals | well, in lcuks case he is actually "le cock"... ;) |
| 20:56.08 | crashanddie__ | GeneralAntilles, once upon a time, there was a big bad bendy bus in London |
| 20:56.08 | lcuk | o_O |
| 20:56.20 | GeneralAntilles | IT'S NOT IN LONDON! |
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| 20:56.35 | Stskeeps | isn't london the capital of europe? |
| 20:56.42 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 20:56.43 | crashanddie__ | And the BBBB (Big bad bendy bus) decided to discover Europe |
| 20:56.50 | lcuk | capital of france if my geography serves |
| 20:56.58 | aSIMULAter | well maybe gender counts, since we were just talking about possibly getting people to accompany in going to the summit and you used the metaphor of licking some girl's feet or something |
| 20:57.01 | aSIMULAter | i forgot |
| 20:57.16 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 20:57.18 | aSIMULAter | so i guess i would expect most of the males to sort of freeze and not want to travel together in at axi? |
| 20:57.31 | crashanddie__ | it wasn't a metaphor, it was a preposterous example of your assumptions |
| 20:57.35 | Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: maemo.org people are a weird breed |
| 20:58.09 | crashanddie__ | anyway, I'm out, see y'all next week I guess |
| 20:58.10 | Stskeeps | went fine at MMDW, i think - well, we didn't really take taxis.. |
| 20:58.17 | Stskeeps | next? |
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| 20:58.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:58.29 | GeneralAntilles | Later, crashanddie__. |
| 20:58.30 | lcuk | crashanddie__, beers |
| 20:58.35 | frals | ciao |
| 20:58.46 | crashanddie__ | Stskeeps, right, this week |
| 20:58.54 | crashanddie__ | didn't plan it that way |
| 20:58.58 | lcuk | find a nice cafe :) |
| 20:59.25 | aSIMULAter | bye 2 u |
| 20:59.25 | crashanddie__ | oh well, the new guy will have to do the stuff we were supposed to do together alone then |
| 20:59.32 | Jaffa | wanders in to a weird conversation |
| 20:59.39 | aSIMULAter | yes, yes you have |
| 20:59.40 | frals | has a feeling this channel will be quite quiet the coming weekend |
| 21:00.02 | Jaffa | frals: Nah, it'll be all "where are you? what you doing for dinner?" |
| 21:00.08 | crashanddie__ | Jaffa, more than 3 grown men tapping a table just for the hell of it? |
| 21:00.10 | frals | hehe |
| 21:00.13 | Stskeeps | frals: or "omg harmattan" |
| 21:00.34 | Jaffa | crashanddie__: There was booze involved then |
| 21:00.38 | Stskeeps | IRC is excellent for adding another layer of conversation to a silent conference room |
| 21:00.53 | lcuk | haha |
| 21:00.57 | Jaffa | Last year it was good for heckling ;-) |
| 21:01.15 | frals | we use it quite successfully during lectures at uni... ;o |
| 21:01.15 | crashanddie__ | Jaffa, but yeah, if you bastards pull the same fast one on me as you did in London, I'll be seriously pissed |
| 21:01.15 | Jaffa | WTF is going on with my damned wifi |
| 21:01.27 | Jaffa | crashanddie__: I'm just doing as I'm told. Like I did in London... |
| 21:01.36 | crashanddie__ | Jaffa, it emits and miss? (a hit and miss?) |
| 21:02.19 | crashanddie__ | then let's do it right from the start: you're waiting for me for dinner |
| 21:02.26 | crashanddie__ | I'll probably be fashionably late again |
| 21:02.45 | lcuk | crashanddie__, no1 knows what they are doing from one minute to the next |
| 21:02.57 | lcuk | will be on some rooftop all thursday |
| 21:03.05 | lcuk | god knows where on friday |
| 21:03.09 | crashanddie__ | that badly hit by depression? |
| 21:03.10 | lcuk | and hungover on saturday |
| 21:03.34 | GeneralAntilles | should pack warmer: http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/06240.html |
| 21:04.18 | aSIMULAter | oh great, it's warm |
| 21:04.25 | GeneralAntilles | Cold. |
| 21:04.34 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:04.41 | aSIMULAter | compared to here, that's summer |
| 21:04.42 | lcuk | you can tell those that live in finland |
| 21:04.43 | Jaffa | Hmm. Coat weather |
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| 21:04.54 | Jaffa | had to get his big smart winter coat out today :-( |
| 21:05.01 | Stskeeps | i sure hope it isn't feeling like winter already like it did in finland. |
| 21:05.10 | GeneralAntilles | Warning: you may not be able to see my maemo shirt. :P |
| 21:05.26 | Jaffa | said we should get maemo.org coats :-p |
| 21:05.39 | SpeedEvil | heading for the first frost here (Fife, Scotland) |
| 21:05.44 | aSIMULAter | it's friggin cold here |
| 21:05.45 | aSIMULAter | it sucks |
| 21:05.50 | aSIMULAter | and it's getting darker |
| 21:05.54 | Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Not a native Finn? |
| 21:05.56 | aSIMULAter | and this is the time of year when i ponder why i'm even living here |
| 21:06.04 | aSIMULAter | hehe no i'm well...long story short |
| 21:06.07 | lcuk | n900 will brighten your life |
| 21:06.12 | aSIMULAter | i'm from california who lived in london then moved to finland :P |
| 21:06.21 | Jaffa | Ah. California's quite warm :) |
| 21:06.26 | aSIMULAter | yz indeed |
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| 21:06.33 | Jaffa | Although SF's a bit breezy when I've been |
| 21:06.45 | aSIMULAter | so cal ftw |
| 21:07.01 | aSIMULAter | finland's nice except the weather which starts about now and ends in march |
| 21:07.14 | frals | well southern .fi isnt that bad |
| 21:07.37 | aSIMULAter | it's +1 outside |
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| 21:07.39 | aSIMULAter | that's bad |
| 21:07.51 | Jaffa | aSIMULAter: Nippy |
| 21:07.56 | aSIMULAter | toadally |
| 21:08.02 | aSIMULAter | and this country hates me |
| 21:08.10 | aSIMULAter | i ended up getting allergies since moving here |
| 21:08.11 | lcuk | puts a jumper on in sympathy |
| 21:08.16 | aSIMULAter | a bit of asthma |
| 21:08.22 | aSIMULAter | eczema |
| 21:08.26 | aSIMULAter | my hair is falling out |
| 21:08.37 | frals | hmm, ~5C here atm, not that bad |
| 21:08.56 | Stskeeps | aSIMULAter: isn't that just from having to deal with maemo on a daily basis? ;) |
| 21:09.02 | aSIMULAter | my body isn't made for the almost arctic winters :/ |
| 21:09.15 | aSIMULAter | Stskeeps: actually good point, that might just be it :P |
| 21:09.16 | frals | have to start closing the window when going to bed soon ;) |
| 21:09.32 | aSIMULAter | or just not going outside at all, work from home nad crank up the heater to +30 |
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| 21:09.56 | lcuk | now we know the real reason for northern lights - its aSIMULAter's generator |
| 21:10.03 | Stskeeps | i'm sure any grey hairs i have come from dealing with scratchbox. |
| 21:10.10 | aSIMULAter | yeah so much for keeping on carbon footprint low :/ |
| 21:10.22 | lcuk | went almost bald fighting dpkg |
| 21:10.31 | aSIMULAter | that's a good point too, i have 2 white hairs on my head, probably from maemo who knows..or could be that i'm getting older one or hte other or both |
| 21:10.45 | Jaffa | Getting older's better than the alternative... |
| 21:10.47 | lcuk | how do you know theres 2 |
| 21:10.54 | aSIMULAter | cause my hair is black and u could see it :P |
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| 21:11.10 | lcuk | didnt you pull em out and hide the truth :P |
| 21:11.32 | aSIMULAter | i heard a stupid wives tale that if you pull them out they'll multiply |
| 21:11.37 | aSIMULAter | so i just sort of leave em be |
| 21:11.38 | lcuk | haha |
| 21:11.46 | aSIMULAter | maybe i can take a sharpie marker and just sort of colour it |
| 21:11.49 | frals | haha |
| 21:11.56 | Stskeeps | like in primary school.. |
| 21:11.56 | Jaffa | I hate computers. |
| 21:12.00 | lcuk | +1 |
| 21:12.10 | aSIMULAter | cause computer said no? |
| 21:12.22 | Jaffa | Wifi connects. But then massive packet loss. |
| 21:12.25 | Jaffa | hates wifi |
| 21:12.26 | lcuk | we once ended up ripping off half this classmates eyebrow |
| 21:12.38 | lcuk | because for some bizarre reason he got chewing gum caught in it |
| 21:12.49 | aSIMULAter | lol |
| 21:12.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Was alcohol involved? |
| 21:12.56 | aSIMULAter | or pcp |
| 21:12.59 | lcuk | no, we are about 12yo |
| 21:13.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Again: Was alcohol involved? |
| 21:13.26 | derf | My next door neighbor got drunk at a party in high school and woke up with just one eyebrow. |
| 21:13.27 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:13.32 | aSIMULAter | well time for me to nukku jaja hyvää yötä |
| 21:13.37 | aSIMULAter | (good night) |
| 21:13.46 | lcuk | gnite aSIMULAter |
| 21:14.07 | frals | nn |
| 21:14.17 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: 12yo = practically drunk anyway. If alcohol is involved or not. |
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| 21:16.47 | Tadthebuilder | lcuk I just realixed the onedotzero videos that you are in are on the offical n900/maemo site...that is really cool |
| 21:17.09 | lcuk | nods :) |
| 21:17.43 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, only idiots don't hate computers. |
| 21:17.46 | Tadthebuilder | they should pay you for using your face... |
| 21:17.49 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 21:18.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Tadthebuilder: Eh? They're making a loss by using his face: people rush to close their browser |
| 21:18.35 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
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| 21:19.28 | lcuk | Tadthebuilder, how are you this evening anyway |
| 21:19.34 | Tadthebuilder | meh |
| 21:19.41 | Tadthebuilder | just got rejected on a mortgage |
| 21:19.41 | lcuk | frals, new info on the mms |
| 21:19.42 | Tadthebuilder | due to zoning issues |
| 21:19.46 | lcuk | :S yikes |
| 21:19.50 | frals | wut where lcuk? |
| 21:20.01 | lcuk | Reply to thread 'Brainstorm: MMS Support' |
| 21:20.02 | lcuk | email |
| 21:20.04 | zeenix | is playing(streaming) ogg files from N900 on his PS3 |
| 21:20.07 | frals | reads |
| 21:20.19 | lcuk | its minor, but points to an mms implementation |
| 21:20.57 | lcuk | is kicking his presentation |
| 21:21.11 | lcuk | why wont the damned thing compile \@/ |
| 21:21.26 | Tadthebuilder | i dont think kicking will help it compile |
| 21:21.31 | Tadthebuilder | throwing might though |
| 21:21.46 | Tadthebuilder | but I would not throw your n900 |
| 21:21.52 | Tadthebuilder | being one of 50 people who have them.... |
| 21:22.04 | qwerty12_N810 | He can throw it in my direction |
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| 21:22.58 | Tadthebuilder | or mine... |
| 21:23.02 | Tadthebuilder | actually |
| 21:23.05 | Tadthebuilder | yours would be a better one |
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| 21:24.55 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:25.14 | Tadthebuilder | is bribery always wrong? |
| 21:25.27 | mavhc | no |
| 21:25.30 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 21:25.36 | qwerty12_N810 | I'll say no if you give me £10 |
| 21:25.39 | mavhc | now give me money |
| 21:25.45 | Tadthebuilder | IF I was to bribe an apraiser into apraising property as residential rather than comercial... |
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| 21:26.03 | Tadthebuilder | or bribe some in nokia to give me a n900 |
| 21:26.08 | Tadthebuilder | thats probably what eldar did |
| 21:27.13 | Tadthebuilder | or he broke in a took it like in mission impossible |
| 21:27.23 | Tadthebuilder | but anyway, I came in for a reason today, I had an idea |
| 21:27.25 | Tadthebuilder | but I forgot it |
| 21:27.31 | Tadthebuilder | so ill wait until it comes back... |
| 21:27.41 | Tadthebuilder | and shut up till then. |
| 21:27.59 | Jaffa | YEEEEEEEEES! |
| 21:28.07 | qwerty12_N810 | something to do with bribery & liqbase? |
| 21:28.11 | Jaffa | Three URL records read off one EContact :-D |
| 21:28.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: feeling orgasmic? |
| 21:28.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Congrats |
| 21:28.29 | javispedro | fixes a bug only to find another |
| 21:28.30 | Jaffa | has been doing some sick stuff with ctypes |
| 21:28.30 | lcuk | !!! jaffa |
| 21:28.37 | lcuk | i thought you had managed to connect to wifi |
| 21:28.41 | lcuk | but this is a much bigger deal |
| 21:28.43 | Jaffa | lcuk: did that a minute ago |
| 21:28.47 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:28.50 | lcuk | ona roll |
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| 21:28.59 | Tadthebuilder | are we speaking concerning mer? |
| 21:28.59 | Jaffa | Connecting to wifi took longer than actually finishing off the PoC |
| 21:29.00 | lcuk | luck virus? |
| 21:29.01 | frals | cool, that guy who replied to the mmsthread seems to be mad enough to actually code MMS stuff |
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| 21:29.16 | Jaffa | Now to write a new URL to the GList. |
| 21:29.51 | qwerty12_N810 | frals: will you pay for the cost of admitting him to <insert favourite institution here>? |
| 21:30.02 | frals | :D |
| 21:31.19 | Tadthebuilder | im trying to figure out which guy was mad... |
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| 21:32.44 | mavhc | anyone who sends MMSes is rich anyway |
| 21:34.17 | Tadthebuilder | hmm? |
| 21:34.46 | Tadthebuilder | I ahve sent a couple mmses in my lifetime, im not rich... |
| 21:34.54 | Tadthebuilder | though they are expensive |
| 21:35.01 | Tadthebuilder | in my opinion too expensive |
| 21:35.04 | mavhc | to send enough to test a client |
| 21:35.20 | mavhc | costs more to send an sms than to download data from hubble, per byte |
| 21:35.44 | rm_you | MMS = expensive? |
| 21:35.50 | rm_you | i send like 10 a day |
| 21:35.52 | rm_you | <_< |
| 21:35.58 | frals | i got free MMS, so i have to disagree :p |
| 21:36.02 | rm_you | yeah |
| 21:36.11 | rm_you | $5 a month gets me unlimited free MMS/SMS |
| 21:36.16 | rm_you | well not free |
| 21:36.17 | frals | or well, free within my operator, outside is like 0.15€ or smth |
| 21:36.18 | Tadthebuilder | what company? |
| 21:36.19 | rm_you | $5 a month |
| 21:36.22 | rm_you | TMobile |
| 21:36.25 | Tadthebuilder | ah |
| 21:36.28 | Tadthebuilder | verizon |
| 21:36.32 | Tadthebuilder | is much more expensive... |
| 21:36.41 | GeneralAntilles | CDMA providers are bad news. |
| 21:36.41 | mavhc | if it costs more than an email it's too expensive |
| 21:37.01 | rm_you | i was surprised actually, for $30/mo i get unlimited data/SMS |
| 21:37.06 | rm_you | not bad at all |
| 21:37.16 | Tadthebuilder | (it seems that n900wallpapers.com is becoming a success even before the n900 i released...) |
| 21:37.26 | frals | rm_you: what kind of speed is that? |
| 21:37.29 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:37.32 | rm_you | frade: 3G |
| 21:37.36 | rm_you | *frals |
| 21:37.53 | rm_you | wow. just wow. |
| 21:37.58 | rm_you | looking at n900wallpapers |
| 21:37.59 | frals | best i can get is 5gb for 16€/month but after 5gb they cap speed to 64kbps for rest of the month :p |
| 21:38.11 | rm_you | T_T |
| 21:38.13 | frals | otherwise i get up to 7.2mbit or whatever it is |
| 21:38.22 | Tadthebuilder | can you get that data plan without a phone service? |
| 21:38.26 | rm_you | tmo is whatever 3G speed is, no limitations |
| 21:38.32 | rm_you | doubtful |
| 21:38.38 | frals | nah its addin to a voice plan here |
| 21:38.38 | rm_you | Tadthebuilder: ^ |
| 21:38.54 | Tadthebuilder | thats cheaper then broadband internet access where I am at...haha |
| 21:38.56 | Tadthebuilder | I can handle the speeds lol |
| 21:38.56 | rm_you | lol |
| 21:39.15 | mavhc | mobile phone companies only make a billion or so profit a year, they should increase their prices |
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| 21:39.28 | Tadthebuilder | they would probably make less money if they did that |
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| 21:39.45 | Tadthebuilder | at some point people would realize that people lived for thousands of tyears without cell phones |
| 21:39.49 | Tadthebuilder | and they can do that now too |
| 21:40.10 | GeneralAntilles | They need a "download all" button. |
| 21:40.11 | mavhc | my phone company hates me, I'm on PAYG and never make outgoing calls |
| 21:40.21 | Tadthebuilder | this may be a strange observation, but tell me what you think.... |
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| 21:40.30 | Tadthebuilder | the internet as it went into peoples homes was done over phone lines |
| 21:40.41 | Tadthebuilder | now phone service is done over the internet |
| 21:40.42 | mavhc | they said I have to make a call every 6 months and top up every 999 days |
| 21:40.44 | SpeedEvil | is still using his phone line |
| 21:40.51 | Tadthebuilder | dsl |
| 21:41.02 | Tadthebuilder | will we see the same progression in mobile phones? |
| 21:41.06 | mavhc | phone line cable, not phone line |
| 21:41.14 | SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: huh? |
| 21:41.16 | mavhc | LTE is built on IP iirc |
| 21:41.18 | Tadthebuilder | will in the future we have a pocket computer that happens to be a phone? |
| 21:41.23 | GeneralAntilles | Holy fuck. |
| 21:41.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://n900wallpapers.com/wallpaper/super-mario-world---yoshis-island-1 |
| 21:41.39 | mavhc | we'll call it an iphone/n900/etc |
| 21:41.43 | Tadthebuilder | is ip phone service the future, even for mobile phones? |
| 21:42.04 | Jaffa | Woohoo! New URL record added to a contact which already had 3 |
| 21:42.07 | mavhc | yes |
| 21:42.16 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, phone service will be TCP/IP very soon. |
| 21:42.27 | Tadthebuilder | I just think its kinda cool... |
| 21:42.28 | wazd | n900wallpapers is a nice place to collect IP addresses of n900 owners now :D |
| 21:42.29 | mavhc | well, IP |
| 21:42.42 | rm_you | errr |
| 21:42.49 | rm_you | cell service is VOIP already |
| 21:42.51 | rm_you | BTW |
| 21:43.01 | rm_you | for a large number of carriers, at least |
| 21:43.02 | rm_you | not all |
| 21:43.12 | mavhc | landline phone networks are IP internally |
| 21:43.12 | lcuk | gnite chaps and chappeses |
| 21:43.16 | lcuk | (ie, you rm |
| 21:43.25 | Tadthebuilder | night |
| 21:43.36 | wazd | Nokia 6300 can use flash as wallpaper, n900 can't :P |
| 21:43.38 | rm_you | night lcuk |
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| 21:43.41 | Tadthebuilder | I was unaware of that |
| 21:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | qwerty12_N810, OK, where's my app to rotate background once a day? |
| 21:44.00 | Tadthebuilder | who would want flash as a wall paper? |
| 21:44.01 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't they give us an API for that? |
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| 21:44.12 | mavhc | rotate by 90 degrees? |
| 21:44.17 | sp3000 | nah, just 10 |
| 21:44.22 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: /dev/my_ass |
| 21:44.36 | GeneralAntilles | Don't make me bring this trout over there. |
| 21:44.37 | wazd | Tadthebuilder: who would use copy/paste?) |
| 21:45.04 | rm_you | rofl |
| 21:45.09 | Tadthebuilder | I use copy and paste on my n800 all the time. Flash as wallpaper add no real functionality to the device |
| 21:45.21 | rm_you | would love to rotate my desktop 10 degrees every day :P |
| 21:45.58 | JoeBrain | Hrmmmm is it worth it to buy a n800 when the n900 is up for preorder? |
| 21:46.25 | wazd | Tadthebuilder: And I use flash wallpaper, like clock for example. So what? It's the user who decides if he wants to use something, not you or me |
| 21:46.29 | GeneralAntilles | Super Mario or Mars? |
| 21:46.41 | GeneralAntilles | JoeBrain, not unless you're planning on buying both. |
| 21:46.56 | Tadthebuilder | super mario |
| 21:47.02 | mavhc | or want something much cheaper |
| 21:47.07 | JoeBrain | twiddles his thumbs for x months until n900 comes out |
| 21:47.20 | Tadthebuilder | Okay I could see the point of a flash wall paper being a clock but wouldnt it use more resources than a widget? |
| 21:47.42 | Tadthebuilder | always thinks about minimizing used resources because of his 512 megs of ram on desktop |
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| 21:49.18 | wazd | Tadthebuilder: again, it's a matter of choice, not exact solutions |
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| 21:49.23 | javispedro | lol |
| 21:49.30 | javispedro | super mario wallpaper |
| 21:49.47 | Tadthebuilder | i think its good he made that website |
| 21:50.01 | Tadthebuilder | some people were discouraging him at one point |
| 21:50.14 | wazd | The only mistake is the name |
| 21:50.15 | Tadthebuilder | (or maybe that was a theme website people said he shoudl not make..) |
| 21:50.25 | Tadthebuilder | what should the name be? |
| 21:50.36 | Tadthebuilder | seems pretty straight forward to me haha |
| 21:51.31 | wazd | BTW, not long ago I've asked community if it would be cool to make design-centric maemo site) |
| 21:52.57 | wazd | It's like .11.34-70.760kbwallpapers.commaemo4.1 |
| 21:53.11 | javispedro | fixes a bug then adds the workaround into his code either way :) |
| 21:53.15 | wazd | What the |
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| 21:54.03 | Tadthebuilder | wazd: you lost me |
| 21:54.03 | mavhc | the name is SEO'd |
| 21:54.03 | Tadthebuilder | SEO |
| 21:54.04 | Tadthebuilder | ? |
| 21:54.22 | wazd | SEO must die!11) |
| 21:54.29 | Tadthebuilder | what is SEO? |
| 21:54.48 | wazd | Search engine optimisation |
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| 21:55.05 | GeneralAntilles | wonders how to make these sets automagically. |
| 21:55.13 | Chewtoy | Hi. |
| 21:55.28 | wazd | Theme maker can do that |
| 21:55.41 | wazd | Well, it has template for that) |
| 21:55.43 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, not a feature of hildon-desktop? |
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| 21:56.42 | Chewtoy | If I'm not all to rude, I would like to steal some of your help. :x |
| 21:57.05 | Chewtoy | How do I pull the wlan-card out of monitor mode? :x |
| 21:57.41 | Tadthebuilder | chewtoy what device? |
| 21:57.48 | Chewtoy | n810 |
| 21:58.11 | Tadthebuilder | do you mean like an offline mode |
| 21:58.17 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: maybe I didn't get your point) |
| 21:58.31 | Chewtoy | Well. I can't find any networks anymore.. And that's about it.. |
| 21:59.04 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: you mean n900 wallpapers? |
| 21:59.08 | Tadthebuilder | hmm not sure |
| 21:59.20 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 21:59.30 | Chewtoy | I tried to get kismet to work and to understand it. Now it just don't want to find networks anymore. So I'm guessing I did something bad. |
| 22:00.18 | Tadthebuilder | I have a tendency to do bad things to my tablets/computers too |
| 22:01.24 | javispedro | i am still surprised every time I see a 800x480 |
| 22:01.27 | javispedro | wallpaper |
| 22:01.32 | javispedro | damn, this gadget has a kick ass dpi. |
| 22:01.36 | Chewtoy | Is there some command in the x terminal to show what the wireless is doing at all? |
| 22:01.46 | rm_you | yeah |
| 22:02.01 | rm_you | the screens nokia uses are afuckingmazing |
| 22:02.26 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, it's just a wide image, I think it's not hard to make simple script to combine 4 images into one) |
| 22:03.44 | wazd | Maybe some more advanced drag'n'drop ui will work |
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| 22:06.48 | Shapeshifter | i just hope the resistive screen is any good |
| 22:06.58 | Shapeshifter | for usage without the stylus. |
| 22:07.07 | javispedro | bah. |
| 22:07.11 | javispedro | it is already on the n810. |
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| 22:07.33 | Jaffa | Woohoo! Hermes just linked my wife's contacts' entry to her Facebook profile in the "URL" field :-) |
| 22:08.05 | wazd | Party time?) |
| 22:08.11 | frals | nice Jaffa :) |
| 22:08.24 | VDVsx | grabs some beers :) |
| 22:08.31 | frals | cant wait to test it out whenever the n900 lands ^^ |
| 22:08.49 | Jaffa | With URL saving, manual mapping becomes a real possibility |
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| 22:11.05 | EspadaV8_P | Is it easy to package up something for maemo? |
| 22:11.13 | javispedro | no |
| 22:11.17 | javispedro | well |
| 22:11.17 | Jaffa | Not too bad |
| 22:11.24 | javispedro | it depends. how many virgins do you have at hand? |
| 22:12.11 | javispedro | baaah, of course it's easy. |
| 22:12.54 | EspadaV8_P | 7 virgins |
| 22:13.00 | EspadaV8_P | At last count |
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| 22:13.09 | javispedro | that earns you a package that installs but doesn't purge correctly. |
| 22:13.27 | EspadaV8_P | Hmmm |
| 22:13.44 | EspadaV8_P | I.ll need to quest some more then |
| 22:14.15 | javispedro | yes. |
| 22:14.20 | javispedro | and I'll sleep. cy. |
| 22:14.47 | GeneralAntilles | OK, Super Mario Bros background is officially the coolest thing ever. |
| 22:15.15 | EspadaV8_P | Ttfn |
| 22:15.16 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:15.30 | rm_you | lol |
| 22:16.28 | EspadaV8_P | I might try and package up my app next weekend :) |
| 22:16.38 | EspadaV8_P | That will be exciting |
| 22:16.43 | rm_you | yeah there will be some gurus there |
| 22:18.35 | Tom2_ | check out py2deb article in the wiki for a simpler packaging way |
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| 22:19.35 | EspadaV8_P | python apps? |
| 22:19.41 | Chewtoy | EspadaV8_P: What kind of app is it? |
| 22:20.03 | EspadaV8_P | Qt |
| 22:20.05 | EspadaV8_P | 4 |
| 22:20.39 | Chewtoy | EspadaV8_P: ... And what does it do? |
| 22:21.40 | qwerty12_N810 | EspadaV8_P: The Qt4 Wiki article has a section on packaging a Qt4 app. I like packaging anything that is not a Qt4 app :) |
| 22:21.49 | EspadaV8_P | It's an IM app |
| 22:22.01 | qwerty12_N810 | s/article/article on the maemo.org wiki/ |
| 22:22.11 | EspadaV8_P | :( that doesn't sound good |
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| 22:38.14 | EspadaV8_P | Oh lordy |
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| 22:38.26 | EspadaV8_P | That doesn't look easy :( |
| 22:39.08 | EspadaV8_P | Someone should create a script for it ;) |
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| 22:41.13 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Thanks. Yes, the SMB background is awesome. Want it? :) |
| 22:41.49 | GeneralAntilles | Got it. ;) |
| 22:41.51 | zerojay | Anyone got wiicontrol working on the N900? |
| 22:42.06 | zerojay | I get dbus errors. :/ |
| 22:43.55 | Tadthebuilder | the guy from the video |
| 22:43.57 | Tadthebuilder | had it working |
| 22:44.02 | zerojay | Yes, I know. |
| 22:44.09 | EspadaV8_P | Wiicontrol? |
| 22:44.23 | zerojay | Guess I'll wait for him to show up. |
| 22:44.29 | Tadthebuilder | do you know who it was? |
| 22:44.34 | EspadaV8_P | I could use the n900 as a controller? |
| 22:44.43 | Tadthebuilder | wiicontrol is a program that sinks the wiimote to the n[900 |
| 22:44.53 | EspadaV8_P | Ah |
| 22:44.54 | Tadthebuilder | (or n800, n810...maybe even the 770 not sure though) |
| 22:44.59 | paroneayea | zerojay: give me your n900, I'll get it working :) |
| 22:45.08 | EspadaV8_P | Not the n900 to the wii |
| 22:45.14 | Tadthebuilder | yes other way around |
| 22:45.22 | Tadthebuilder | using the n900 as a wii controller would be kinda strange |
| 22:45.26 | Tadthebuilder | (and much less useful) |
| 22:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, Tadthebuilder |
| 22:46.00 | EspadaV8_P | What could you do with a wiicontroller on the n900? |
| 22:46.09 | Tadthebuilder | emulation |
| 22:46.11 | Tadthebuilder | game control |
| 22:46.12 | EspadaV8_P | Can't point at it |
| 22:46.18 | EspadaV8_P | Hmmm |
| 22:46.20 | kynky | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.22 | Tadthebuilder | ah the other program that does the same thing |
| 22:46.29 | Tadthebuilder | oh wait |
| 22:46.33 | Tadthebuilder | no that is the guys nam |
| 22:46.34 | Tadthebuilder | e |
| 22:46.39 | EspadaV8_P | is unsure of the usefulness |
| 22:46.50 | Tadthebuilder | its only useful for fun |
| 22:46.52 | Tadthebuilder | but |
| 22:46.59 | simula | watch the video espadav8_p :) |
| 22:46.59 | kynky | +tvout |
| 22:47.07 | Tadthebuilder | now if you could pair two of them.... |
| 22:47.23 | EspadaV8_P | Kynky, what's the title for the video? |
| 22:47.24 | kynky | its bt, dont see ynot |
| 22:47.43 | kynky | snes on n900 [is title] |
| 22:47.51 | EspadaV8_P | On the phone so can't open links |
| 22:48.07 | Tadthebuilder | wait |
| 22:48.22 | Tadthebuilder | you can hook up more than one device with bluetooth? |
| 22:48.27 | zerojay | Of course. |
| 22:48.42 | zerojay | The PS3 and Wii both use Bluetooth for the controllers. |
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| 22:48.59 | zerojay | PS3 requires pairing over USB first though. |
| 22:49.06 | kynky | and n900 is just linux |
| 22:49.18 | zerojay | Doesn't matter. |
| 22:49.19 | kynky | the possibilities are endless |
| 22:49.35 | Tadthebuilder | I thought that they had a bluetooth receiver per controller you could hook up |
| 22:49.43 | Tadthebuilder | so is it a software limit of four? |
| 22:49.50 | zerojay | No. |
| 22:49.52 | EspadaV8_P | Ok, that is awesome |
| 22:49.54 | kynky | linux supports xpad, wireless 360 pads , ftw |
| 22:49.55 | zerojay | PS3 can do up to 8. |
| 22:50.16 | Tadthebuilder | ah |
| 22:50.16 | Tadthebuilder | is that a hardware limitation? |
| 22:50.16 | zerojay | No. |
| 22:50.21 | zerojay | Linux on PS3 had a limitation of 2 paired controllers. |
| 22:50.24 | Tadthebuilder | is there a limit anywhere? |
| 22:50.25 | zerojay | Limitation of BlueZ. |
| 22:50.36 | Tadthebuilder | by limit |
| 22:50.38 | Tadthebuilder | I mean hardware limit |
| 22:50.56 | zerojay | Asked and answered. |
| 22:51.11 | Tadthebuilder | not exactly |
| 22:51.12 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 22:51.13 | kynky | 4 pads with 360 dongle i think |
| 22:51.26 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: No, exactly. |
| 22:51.27 | Tadthebuilder | I asked if it was a hardware limition, not if their was one....slightly different questions |
| 22:51.40 | zerojay | I already answered. |
| 22:52.16 | Tadthebuilder | im a bit confused |
| 22:52.22 | Tadthebuilder | should I think of bluetooth |
| 22:52.24 | Tadthebuilder | like wirless |
| 22:52.30 | Tadthebuilder | wireless* networking |
| 22:52.30 | kynky | yes |
| 22:52.38 | simula | but very short range |
| 22:52.46 | rm_you | bluetooth *is* wireless networking :P |
| 22:52.47 | rm_you | PAN |
| 22:52.53 | kynky | bt is low power short range wireless communication |
| 22:53.01 | zerojay | Every controller has a MAC address, etc... |
| 22:53.05 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 22:53.14 | Tadthebuilder | so |
| 22:53.24 | Tadthebuilder | this means it would be possible to take a n900 |
| 22:53.25 | Tadthebuilder | to someones house |
| 22:53.28 | Tadthebuilder | hook it up to their tv |
| 22:53.34 | rm_you | yes |
| 22:53.35 | Tadthebuilder | and play super mario kart four player |
| 22:53.38 | rm_you | yes |
| 22:53.45 | zerojay | No. |
| 22:53.45 | kynky | like in that video i posted |
| 22:53.46 | rm_you | assuming the software stack supports that |
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| 22:54.05 | zerojay | Because Super Mario doesn't do 4 players from what I remember. :) |
| 22:54.10 | rm_you | there's nothing in the hardware that would prevent that :P |
| 22:55.02 | kynky | it does 2 player, lol |
| 22:55.02 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 22:55.02 | Tadthebuilder | never mind then |
| 22:55.02 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 22:55.02 | kynky | game limitation |
| 22:55.02 | Tadthebuilder | that was the only use case I saw for it |
| 22:55.03 | Tadthebuilder | jkp |
| 22:55.03 | zerojay | Play on the road, come home, hook it up, play some more. |
| 22:55.03 | Tadthebuilder | well someone should get on making wiicontrol hook up multiple wiimotes |
| 22:55.05 | Tadthebuilder | and the n900 slogan: A party in your pocket |
| 22:55.28 | simula | and everyone's invited! |
| 22:55.47 | sheepbat | ..but then you go up to a woman and ask her to pull out your Wii from your pocket? |
| 22:55.47 | kynky | tegra chip supports 720p output |
| 22:55.59 | Tadthebuilder | in twelve days |
| 22:56.00 | rm_you | can the decoder actually decode anything 720p at 25fps? :P |
| 22:56.01 | Tadthebuilder | ill ask my wfie |
| 22:56.04 | Tadthebuilder | wife* |
| 22:56.18 | kynky | tvout is pal/ntsc |
| 22:56.39 | zerojay | It's gonna look like shit, but oh well. |
| 22:56.41 | kynky | so basically 480i iirc |
| 22:56.54 | rm_you | bbl |
| 22:57.04 | Tadthebuilder | well if its the snes emulator I think it wont look too much worse than an nes over coaxial |
| 22:57.11 | Tadthebuilder | snes* |
| 22:57.24 | kynky | should be basically the same |
| 22:57.27 | Tadthebuilder | like we dont need 720p for snes |
| 22:57.55 | kynky | if anything will look better as emulator does better rendering than snes did |
| 22:58.20 | kynky | the games never supported 720p |
| 22:58.36 | kynky | even the gamecube max was 480p on games |
| 22:58.39 | Tadthebuilder | of course not |
| 22:58.44 | kynky | think wii is 480p too |
| 22:58.47 | Tadthebuilder | that is what I was saying |
| 22:58.58 | Tadthebuilder | 720p did not exist in 1995 |
| 22:59.04 | kynky | it did |
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| 22:59.15 | Tadthebuilder | highend computers? |
| 22:59.15 | kynky | my computer monitor didway bigger |
| 22:59.18 | kynky | no |
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| 22:59.23 | kynky | normal computers |
| 22:59.24 | Tadthebuilder | low end computers? |
| 22:59.28 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 22:59.42 | Tadthebuilder | what is the resolution of 720p? |
| 22:59.59 | zerojay | SNES did 256x224. |
| 23:00.07 | zerojay | So I'm not talking about resolution being shitty. |
| 23:00.14 | kynky | i had 1600x1200 crt monitor back then, so 1200p, which is bigger than 1080p |
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| 23:00.50 | Tadthebuilder | so whats is going to be poor quality? framerate? |
| 23:01.12 | simula | 1080p is 16:9 |
| 23:01.13 | zerojay | I really have to spell it out for you? |
| 23:01.18 | kynky | pal is like 25fps, ntsc is 30fps, so frame rate is fine |
| 23:01.25 | zerojay | Nothing to do with framerate. |
| 23:01.28 | kynky | think n900 will cope easily |
| 23:01.33 | zerojay | Talking about the actual image quality. |
| 23:02.01 | zerojay | RCA out when you've been on nothing but HDMI for two or three years... |
| 23:02.11 | kynky | emulated image quality is way better than original super eagle mode etc |
| 23:02.13 | zerojay | Including SNES games.... |
| 23:02.24 | Tadthebuilder | hmmm |
| 23:02.33 | Tadthebuilder | Ive never used hdmi cables on anything |
| 23:02.35 | Tadthebuilder | so |
| 23:02.38 | Tadthebuilder | ... I wont notice |
| 23:02.41 | Tadthebuilder | well |
| 23:02.42 | zerojay | Maybe not. |
| 23:02.43 | kynky | snes games look better interlaced anywy, try donkey kong country 3 in non interlaced, looks worse |
| 23:02.44 | Tadthebuilder | wouldnt notice |
| 23:03.00 | Tadthebuilder | cause I cannot afford an n900 |
| 23:03.02 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 23:03.09 | Tadthebuilder | im actually kinda hoping |
| 23:03.28 | Tadthebuilder | a person sells it cause he cannot figure it out and I can pick it up for cheap used.... |
| 23:03.30 | Tadthebuilder | sorta |
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| 23:04.38 | zerojay | I've been doing SNES and a lot more on my PS3 through Linux upscaled to 720P or 1080P with various graphics filters for a while. |
| 23:04.49 | Tadthebuilder | gotya |
| 23:04.51 | zerojay | Kind of depressing seeing the PS3 Slim no longer supports Linux. |
| 23:05.03 | Tadthebuilder | how does that compare to a softmodded xbox emulating things? |
| 23:05.10 | Tadthebuilder | other than the fact that the ps3 is whole lot more powerful |
| 23:05.17 | zerojay | Well, it's not in our case. |
| 23:05.27 | kynky | softmodded xbox supports upto 1080i |
| 23:05.27 | zerojay | The Xbox wins with some stuff |
| 23:05.50 | Tadthebuilder | why is the ps3 not more powerful? |
| 23:05.55 | Tadthebuilder | or how |
| 23:05.57 | Tadthebuilder | i mean |
| 23:06.02 | zerojay | In Linux, the PS3 does not have ANY graphics acceleration whatsoever. |
| 23:06.02 | Tadthebuilder | I know that it should be... |
| 23:06.06 | zerojay | Not 3d, not even 2d. |
| 23:06.06 | kynky | cos ps3 linux, is crippled, not full power of ps3 |
| 23:06.07 | Tadthebuilder | ah |
| 23:06.10 | Tadthebuilder | that could be problematic |
| 23:06.25 | Tadthebuilder | I have a softmodded xbox somewhere... |
| 23:06.27 | Tadthebuilder | not sure where though |
| 23:06.33 | kynky | xbox has nvidia geforce 3.5 iirc |
| 23:06.52 | kynky | between 3 and 4 |
| 23:07.01 | zerojay | What I did is I used one of the SPEs in CELL to do the upscaling and take it away from the CPU... so I just tell the emulators to emulate at the original resolution. So SNES runs at 256x224 and then gets upscaled. |
| 23:07.24 | Tadthebuilder | ah makes sense |
| 23:07.32 | kynky | zsnes and snes9x look well good |
| 23:07.41 | zerojay | The softmodded Xbox would still be the way to go except for MAME, where no one's bothered to rewrite the controller input code since it changed back in v0.85. |
| 23:07.43 | Tadthebuilder | I almost built a mame cabinet around my xbox...but decided it was too much work |
| 23:07.59 | Tadthebuilder | I had mame installed and it worked. |
| 23:08.08 | Tadthebuilder | (still have if i knew where it was...) |
| 23:08.18 | zerojay | Most stuff still runs fast enough on the PS3 though, especially with the CELL doing scaling for us. |
| 23:08.24 | kynky | xbox is bad for mame cos of low speed and even worse its lack of ram, linux/windows does better for mame |
| 23:08.38 | Tadthebuilder | my xbox does mame much better than my desktop computer |
| 23:08.52 | zerojay | The real problem for MAME is also the fact that it's stuck at a SUPER old version. |
| 23:08.59 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 23:09.05 | kynky | xbox is 600mhz, it struggles oon the super bust a moves |
| 23:09.07 | Tadthebuilder | but xbox is x86 processor right? |
| 23:09.12 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 23:09.22 | Tadthebuilder | that should making porting easier correct? |
| 23:09.28 | zerojay | CELL = powerpc, another issue making porting harder. |
| 23:09.31 | zerojay | Sure does. |
| 23:09.49 | kynky | xbox had like 256 mb ram |
| 23:09.51 | Tadthebuilder | when I softmodded my xbox |
| 23:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | I'm still wondering how it is that every console ended up as PPC |
| 23:09.54 | Tadthebuilder | it was out in the open |
| 23:09.57 | kynky | dev units had 512mb |
| 23:10.12 | zerojay | BZZT. Xbox had 128MB, dev boxes had 256. |
| 23:10.13 | Tadthebuilder | but aparently at somepoint in time someone said it was ilegal and I could not find alot of stuff concerning it. |
| 23:10.26 | kynky | zeenix, well even worse then :) |
| 23:10.27 | Tadthebuilder | something about it was believe that some stuff had been made with a stolen development kit |
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| 23:10.57 | zerojay | Almost everything on the Xbox was made with the XDK which is completely illegal. |
| 23:11.12 | zerojay | Which also taints the binaries as illegal. |
| 23:11.24 | Tadthebuilder | ah that must be what it was then |
| 23:11.26 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 23:11.33 | Tadthebuilder | when I installed the stuff I had no idae |
| 23:11.37 | Tadthebuilder | but I went to do it for someone else |
| 23:11.43 | Tadthebuilder | and I could not find any of the emulators or anything |
| 23:11.45 | kynky | cromwell bios was legal, so you could legally run linux on it, and with linux you could run mame etc as long as you owned the games |
| 23:11.47 | zerojay | The 360 XDK is almost exactly the same. lol |
| 23:12.07 | Tadthebuilder | well yeah |
| 23:12.18 | Tadthebuilder | the mame games I used were downloads from the legal list of mame website |
| 23:13.09 | GAN800 | I have to laugh at them using Powermac G5s for the E3 demo units. |
| 23:13.13 | kynky | so n900 should support mame, if it can run debian, should do a better job than xbox in some respects |
| 23:13.13 | Tadthebuilder | someone should make a console that can be directly developed for with a scratchbox like set up |
| 23:13.21 | Tadthebuilder | it was lower the entry for making games |
| 23:13.23 | Tadthebuilder | for the systems |
| 23:13.39 | zerojay | Open Pandora? |
| 23:13.47 | kynky | openpandora is good, can do dreamcast now |
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| 23:14.03 | Tadthebuilder | I looked at that recently |
| 23:14.06 | Tadthebuilder | and Im skeptical |
| 23:14.14 | Tadthebuilder | I checked out the linux dcast emulator |
| 23:14.21 | kynky | only few hundred units left for this year |
| 23:14.24 | zeenix | kynky: wrong nick? |
| 23:14.33 | Tadthebuilder | and aparently only like two games work perfectly |
| 23:14.44 | Tadthebuilder | and many dont work at all |
| 23:14.48 | Tadthebuilder | unless |
| 23:14.57 | Tadthebuilder | for some reason the arm processor makes the games run faster or something |
| 23:15.00 | kynky | zeenix, yeah, sorry, damn autocomplete |
| 23:15.08 | zerojay | Dreamcast = ARM, so... yeah. :) |
| 23:15.36 | Tadthebuilder | ah okay |
| 23:15.42 | Tadthebuilder | then I guess it is possible |
| 23:15.44 | kynky | dreamcasr was iwindows ce which ran on arm :) , in many respects an xbox beta |
| 23:15.45 | Tadthebuilder | darni t |
| 23:15.54 | Tadthebuilder | wait |
| 23:15.57 | Tadthebuilder | dreamcast ran on windows ce? |
| 23:16.07 | kynky | yes itsaid it on the case |
| 23:16.15 | Tadthebuilder | i must of not read the case |
| 23:16.22 | kynky | games were written in directx |
| 23:16.31 | Tadthebuilder | interesting |
| 23:16.40 | kynky | had the sdk |
| 23:16.48 | Tadthebuilder | but a working dreamcast emulator on the n900 would make me really want one |
| 23:16.53 | zerojay | Windows CE was only used in a handful of Dreamcast games. |
| 23:17.09 | Tadthebuilder | (or a pandora....) |
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| 23:17.15 | zerojay | Dreamcast didn't run on Windows CE. |
| 23:17.30 | Tadthebuilder | (Or I could just buy a used dreamcast...but then I would need a tv too) |
| 23:17.33 | zerojay | CE was just a separate framework available to developers to use for their games. |
| 23:17.34 | Proteous | soul calibre on the n900 wwould be sweet |
| 23:17.45 | Proteous | with some sort of controler... |
| 23:17.51 | Tadthebuilder | wiimote? |
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| 23:18.10 | zerojay | And Dreamcast games were not written in DirectX, sorry. |
| 23:18.19 | kynky | http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/1998/May98/Segagmpr.mspx |
| 23:18.32 | kynky | it was, i had sdk |
| 23:18.38 | zerojay | Xbox games were, but with certain DirectX calls being dummied out but still available. |
| 23:19.04 | fiferboy | Okay, I need one more person to check out and rate my app |
| 23:19.09 | zerojay | kynky: I developed on Dreamcast. DirectX was NOT available. |
| 23:19.12 | fiferboy | Who wants to be a hero? |
| 23:19.21 | Proteous | not me |
| 23:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | Don't let him con you! |
| 23:19.36 | Tadthebuilder | what do i have to do to be aheero? |
| 23:19.36 | kynky | zerojay, the sdk i used integrated in visual studio |
| 23:19.38 | Proteous | antihero maybe |
| 23:19.39 | GeneralAntilles | This very is the bricker! |
| 23:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | s/very/version/ |
| 23:19.53 | zerojay | kynky: You *MUST* be confused with the Xbox XDK then. |
| 23:19.58 | fiferboy | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/countdown-home/0.5-9 |
| 23:20.21 | Tadthebuilder | cant help you |
| 23:20.23 | Tadthebuilder | no n900 |
| 23:20.32 | Tadthebuilder | I would test it if you had one though |
| 23:20.43 | Tadthebuilder | I had one I mean |
| 23:20.47 | kynky | http://www.angelfire.com/hero/herculesdc/DCWinCE.html <-- Windows. CE Toolkit 2.1 for Dreamcast |
| 23:20.47 | Proteous | heh |
| 23:20.58 | fiferboy | It's the thought that counts |
| 23:21.03 | zerojay | kynky: I'm not talking about CE. |
| 23:21.10 | Tadthebuilder | to bad the thought cant get me a n900 hehe |
| 23:21.22 | fiferboy | I hear that :) |
| 23:21.41 | Tadthebuilder | if you get me on |
| 23:21.47 | Tadthebuilder | ill test every piece of software you right for the next 5 years |
| 23:21.51 | Tadthebuilder | on the n900 |
| 23:21.57 | Tadthebuilder | or linux desktop |
| 23:21.59 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 23:22.05 | Tadthebuilder | one* |
| 23:22.09 | lcuk | *write |
| 23:22.09 | Tadthebuilder | write not right |
| 23:22.18 | Tadthebuilder | offer is open for anyone |
| 23:22.21 | fiferboy | I've already written three apps for the N900, and five for the N8x0 |
| 23:22.21 | zerojay | kynky: Only like... 10 games ever used CE on the Dreamcast. I can promise you that not a single game other than those ever used DirectX for anything. |
| 23:22.38 | SpeedEvil | If you get me one, I'll be sort-of grateful for a whole 10 minutes! |
| 23:22.46 | Tadthebuilder | zerojay what games did you have a hand in development |
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| 23:22.54 | Tadthebuilder | lcuk i thought you said goodnight and left? |
| 23:22.56 | fiferboy | SpeedEvil: I don't know, I think there are better offers out there... |
| 23:22.58 | kynky | im just saying i programmed dc stuff on that sdk in visual studio, citied 2 proofs |
| 23:23.11 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: I can't talk about that. |
| 23:23.15 | Tadthebuilder | oh |
| 23:23.16 | lcuk | i think i said i was goin, ive got tonnes to do |
| 23:23.31 | lcuk | just comin up for air and askin a few questions |
| 23:23.42 | Tadthebuilder | is that how you spell tonnes? I thought it was tons.) |
| 23:23.55 | Tadthebuilder | would your name by on the credits in the games? |
| 23:23.59 | GeneralAntilles | Tadthebuilder, ignore the Brit. ;) |
| 23:24.00 | kynky | zerojay, what sdk did you use ? |
| 23:24.13 | Tadthebuilder | oh yeah |
| 23:24.16 | Tadthebuilder | they spell things differently |
| 23:24.22 | Tadthebuilder | like colour, and honour, and centre |
| 23:24.23 | zerojay | One of the guys I work with now was developer technical support at Sega and worked on Quake and some of the stuff he told me was amazing... like how the piracy was caused by a promotion with a Japanese pop star. |
| 23:24.26 | lcuk | our tonnes weigh more |
| 23:24.36 | zerojay | kynky: KATANA. |
| 23:24.43 | kynky | nice |
| 23:24.54 | Tadthebuilder | so you have more things to do when you say you have tonnes to do then when I say I have tons to do/ |
| 23:25.16 | zerojay | I don't remember the middleware we used though... almost all DC games used it.. ugh... |
| 23:25.33 | Tadthebuilder | now I want a dreamcast...but id rather have an n900 |
| 23:25.54 | Tadthebuilder | my older brother tried to cut the dreamcast in half when he went to college since it was both of ours... |
| 23:25.56 | SpeedEvil | ebay for the first... |
| 23:25.57 | Tadthebuilder | im showing my youth again... |
| 23:26.26 | zerojay | I had a Japanese Dreamcast I bought six months ahead of US launch with 4 games for $500. |
| 23:26.36 | zerojay | And then sold it a week before US launch for $550. lol |
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| 23:26.49 | zerojay | I just got a brand new DC a few weeks ago |
| 23:26.52 | zerojay | New in box. |
| 23:26.55 | Tadthebuilder | thats a quick way to make a a buck or fifty |
| 23:26.59 | Tadthebuilder | how did you get a new one? |
| 23:27.11 | b-man16 | pokes xnt14 |
| 23:27.11 | kynky | they still making new dc games :) |
| 23:27.15 | zerojay | Ah hah.. the firmware we used was CRIWare. |
| 23:27.15 | Tadthebuilder | maybe sega decided it was a mistake to discontinue it and they are picking up where they left off? |
| 23:27.22 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 23:27.27 | xnt14 | b-man16, konichiwa xD |
| 23:27.39 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: No, some places like Amazon and ThinkGeek found some in their own warehouses. |
| 23:27.45 | zerojay | Got it for $100. |
| 23:27.51 | Tadthebuilder | that is pretty cool |
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| 23:27.59 | Tadthebuilder | I was kidding about them picking up where they left off |
| 23:28.04 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SEGA-DREAMCAST-2-CONTROLLERS-LEADS-10-GAMES_W0QQitemZ160367479520QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles?hash=item2556a58ae0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 23:28.07 | SpeedEvil | not too spendy |
| 23:28.07 | kynky | imho dreamcast > ripped of cd player extension to snes, aka psx |
| 23:28.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:28.21 | kynky | and ps2 |
| 23:28.31 | Tadthebuilder | im confused by your statement kynky |
| 23:28.32 | zerojay | kynky: Uh.. no. |
| 23:28.41 | zerojay | PS2 was released after DC. |
| 23:28.45 | kynky | yep |
| 23:28.52 | kynky | still preferred dc |
| 23:28.54 | zerojay | And Sega was not privy to the SNES CD-ROM attachment. |
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| 23:29.17 | Tadthebuilder | wonder what it costs to get a dc shipped from brittian to US |
| 23:29.26 | kynky | i was meaning sony was |
| 23:29.28 | SpeedEvil | 7 n900's |
| 23:29.45 | Tadthebuilder | (that was also a joke) |
| 23:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: I assume they're on ebay.com too - that's my ebay search link |
| 23:29.47 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: Sony was one of two companies Nintendo partnered up with to create a CD based addon for the SNES, making it a 32-bit machine. Nintendo flipped out and Sony took the technology and made Playstation. |
| 23:29.59 | kynky | yep |
| 23:30.00 | SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: sorry. Don't do jokes. Long day :) |
| 23:30.26 | Tadthebuilder | i was too you to keep up with technology back then :) |
| 23:30.36 | Tadthebuilder | I just got whatever system I could talk my parents into buying for Christimas |
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| 23:30.38 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: The other company that was partnered up with Nintendo, Phillips, got the ability to license Nintendo characters for their own games... and they did when they released the Phillips CD-i.. and made the worst Zelda and Mario games EVER. |
| 23:30.42 | Tadthebuilder | (If I could) |
| 23:30.52 | kynky | cd-i was awful |
| 23:30.58 | Tadthebuilder | ive never heard of that |
| 23:31.06 | Tadthebuilder | any emulators for it? I want to play these horrible games |
| 23:31.42 | kynky | sony knew how todo marketing though, sega did it really bad in comparison |
| 23:31.42 | kynky | and saturn was awesome |
| 23:31.42 | zerojay | There is, but I don't remember it being very good. |
| 23:31.43 | zerojay | Sega fucked up massively. The 32X killed them. |
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| 23:31.50 | Tadthebuilder | but dreamcast |
| 23:31.52 | Tadthebuilder | fond memories |
| 23:31.57 | Tadthebuilder | of the hidden mode in power stone that was first person |
| 23:32.01 | Tadthebuilder | I thought that was aweome |
| 23:32.07 | kynky | the vmus should have been rechargable |
| 23:32.13 | zerojay | They promised the world to game devs and promised that Saturn would be out at the same time but only be for the hardcore. |
| 23:32.14 | Tadthebuilder | note: give me a break I was 12...) |
| 23:32.20 | zerojay | A lot of companies got pissed. |
| 23:32.40 | zerojay | And then when Saturn went down in flames, EA got really pissed and vowed to never put out games on another Sega console again. |
| 23:32.46 | zerojay | And that's why Dreamcast died. |
| 23:32.49 | zerojay | No EA. |
| 23:32.53 | kynky | sonys licensing was very permissive, hence the slew of really rubbish gams |
| 23:33.05 | zerojay | And EA went out and made their own console instead. |
| 23:33.08 | Tadthebuilder | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sega-Dreamcast-w-3-controllers-6-games-FREE-SHIP_W0QQitemZ260484304522QQcmdZViewItemQQptZVideo_Games?hash=item3ca6130e8a&_trksid=p4295.c0.m299 |
| 23:33.23 | Tadthebuilder | EA made there own console? |
| 23:33.29 | zerojay | Yes, they sure did. |
| 23:33.32 | kynky | ea=evil , hated what they did to criterion and westwood studios |
| 23:33.35 | Tadthebuilder | is thirty pounds about equal to fifty USD? |
| 23:33.35 | zerojay | The 3D0. :) |
| 23:33.48 | zerojay | kynky: What did they do to Criterion? |
| 23:33.48 | Tadthebuilder | I dont remember the 3DO either |
| 23:33.53 | Tadthebuilder | must of not done well |
| 23:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | What they're doing to Bioware doesn't look good either. |
| 23:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: pretty much |
| 23:34.10 | Tadthebuilder | They tend to make good sports games though |
| 23:34.19 | Tadthebuilder | and they pay a whole lot of money to stop sega from being able to compete |
| 23:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Tadthebuilder: I think it's bouncing around 1.6 dollars to the pound at the moment |
| 23:34.32 | kynky | criterion owned burnout series and also owned a widely used 3d dev platform for games, which many companies used |
| 23:34.43 | Tadthebuilder | ah gotya |
| 23:34.47 | zerojay | kynky: You're about to put your foot in your mouth. :) |
| 23:34.52 | kynky | ? |
| 23:35.03 | zerojay | Criterion worked on Renderware, a very highly used middleware. |
| 23:35.09 | kynky | yeah |
| 23:35.09 | zerojay | Renderware still lives on. |
| 23:35.15 | zerojay | But EA only now. |
| 23:35.23 | zerojay | Burnout Paradise runs on Renderware. |
| 23:35.25 | kynky | well i thought ea bought them out, criterion that is |
| 23:35.27 | zerojay | No. |
| 23:35.44 | Tadthebuilder | what was the name of the system with the horrible zelda? |
| 23:35.44 | kynky | burnout2 was last criterion game i thought o(of burnout series) |
| 23:35.44 | zerojay | EA bought them, but it was not some sort of evil takeover. lol |
| 23:36.25 | zerojay | I talk to the guys at Criterion all the time. I'm one of their 16 top handpicked best players in Burnout Paradise. They send me shit all the time.. I talk to Alex Ward... lol |
| 23:36.40 | zerojay | I'm the reason they started a public Bugzilla. |
| 23:37.03 | kynky | well the menu systems to me after burnout 2 got very ea-ified |
| 23:37.15 | zerojay | EA has nothing bad to do with Burnout or Criterion, at least as far as the company themselves feel. |
| 23:37.19 | kynky | i loved burnout2 |
| 23:37.47 | kynky | well the menu systems got a very need for speed feel to me after |
| 23:37.55 | Tadthebuilder | note to self: Do not get in an argument with zerojay he knows what he is talking about |
| 23:38.09 | zerojay | I asked Alex about how so many people think EA had anything to do with anything in the game and they don't and told me a funny story about it... that I can't really talk about here unfortunately. |
| 23:38.42 | Tadthebuilder | the cd-i kinda looks like a vcr |
| 23:38.51 | zerojay | They wanted me to work for them.. but I just didn't feel like I could cross the ocean for it when I was happy at my current job. :/ |
| 23:39.19 | zerojay | Search for my name on their website. You're sure to have a laugh. :) |
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| 23:39.51 | kynky | got no problem with what u saying zerojay |
| 23:40.03 | kynky | but burnout2 still my fav in series |
| 23:40.25 | zerojay | Alex was surprised when I said i never played 1 or 2. |
| 23:40.29 | zerojay | Just played from 3 onwards. |
| 23:40.54 | kynky | didnt like crash mode in burnout paradise |
| 23:41.11 | zerojay | http://www.criteriongames.com/search.php?authorID=8 |
| 23:41.13 | zerojay | Hehe. |
| 23:41.33 | zerojay | Here's me finishing off my 350 challenges with Simes and Jez from Criterion. |
| 23:41.39 | zerojay | Enjoy my headgear. :P |
| 23:43.07 | zerojay | I wear the pacman hat all the time at work... lol. |
| 23:43.13 | kynky | lol |
| 23:43.34 | Tadthebuilder | I like the pictures of the cd-i zelda games |
| 23:43.42 | Tadthebuilder | very cool style of art in my opinion |
| 23:43.45 | zerojay | There's vids on youtube. |
| 23:43.54 | GeneralAntilles | I hate you for not making the Summit, zerojay. :P |
| 23:44.28 | kynky | cd-i got in news alot in uk for its overly realistic games, iirc |
| 23:44.29 | zerojay | I hate me for not making summit either. Hehe. |
| 23:44.39 | Tadthebuilder | im reading the wiki |
| 23:44.42 | Tadthebuilder | and I found an emulator...haha |
| 23:44.44 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Wanted me to bring the hat? lol |
| 23:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | still hasn't found a propeller beanie for his video conferencing setup. |
| 23:45.18 | Tadthebuilder | The sword is used to attack enemies, fire deadly Power Blasts and communicate with friendly villagers |
| 23:45.22 | zerojay | We had some reporter from a Canadian video game show show up at our studio and when she saw me, she flipped out. lol |
| 23:45.22 | Tadthebuilder | um |
| 23:45.29 | Tadthebuilder | thats effective communication |
| 23:45.42 | Tadthebuilder | why did she flip out? |
| 23:46.14 | zerojay | Because she LOVED the hat so much. |
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| 23:46.29 | zerojay | Everyone was asking to take pictures with her and she came up and asked to take a pic with me. lol |
| 23:47.32 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 23:47.46 | zerojay | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3705307914/ :D |
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| 23:48.35 | zerojay | She challenged me in Street Fighter 4.. lol. |
| 23:49.42 | Tadthebuilder | did she win? |
| 23:50.12 | Macer | hah |
| 23:50.21 | Macer | daniel drom sg1 is on andromeda |
| 23:51.05 | Tadthebuilder | drom is an interesting last name |
| 23:51.13 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: We couldn't play. Her camera guy told her that they had to rush out.. she gave me her business card and told me she'd give me a call when she was in town next for the match. |
| 23:51.27 | Tadthebuilder | sounds likes she is flirting with you |
| 23:53.55 | pupnik | cool zerojay |
| 23:55.52 | zerojay | Tadthebuilder: You aren't the only one that thought so. |
| 23:56.06 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 23:56.13 | Tadthebuilder | if your not married |
| 23:56.19 | Tadthebuilder | I say flirt back |
| 23:56.21 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 23:56.23 | zerojay | Ah, but I am. |
| 23:57.06 | Tadthebuilder | then be faithful to your wife : |
| 23:57.07 | Tadthebuilder | ) |
| 23:57.12 | Tadthebuilder | :) |
| 23:57.20 | Tadthebuilder | not that I think I need to tell you that |
| 23:57.43 | Tadthebuilder | you know what sads? the fact that the shenmue story left you hanging...and their is no shenmue 3... |
| 23:57.47 | zerojay | My wife likes joking that she's my secret girlfriend, lol. |
| 23:58.15 | zerojay | Shenmue... yeah... that game... I remember back when it was a Virtua Fighter RPG still. |
| 23:58.54 | zerojay | And then became nothing more than "Excuse me... I'm looking for some sailors." |
| 23:59.00 | Tadthebuilder | haha |
| 23:59.05 | Tadthebuilder | it had that one long |
| 23:59.07 | Tadthebuilder | fighting scene... |
| 23:59.10 | Tadthebuilder | but it was immersive |
| 23:59.15 | Tadthebuilder | incredibly immersive |
