IRC log for #maemo on 20090923

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00:02.55GeneralAntillessighs.
00:03.02GeneralAntillesAll of the outlets in this apartment are shot.
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00:04.03pupnik_call an electrician and bill the landlord
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00:07.46GeneralAntillesI'll probably just get the landlord to give me some receptacles and do it myself.
00:10.17Mouseyso whats up, nokia gonna buy palm or what?
00:10.24Mouseylol
00:10.25Mouseyhides
00:10.49ljpmaybe apple
00:13.59luke-jrGeneralAntilles: why?
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00:14.22bobbydhi
00:14.27GeneralAntillesluke-jr, saves me having to schedule maintenance or an electrician.
00:14.31luke-jrsafer and cheaper to have the landlord pay for a pro to do it
00:14.41bobbydhas anyone got OpenGL ES examples working under the sdk?
00:14.55bobbydI'm following this: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES
00:15.48bobbydbut it seems that libgles2-dev doesn't exist though
00:16.15GeneralAntillesluke-jr, I'm not retarded.
00:16.34GeneralAntillesI'm perfectly capable of installing a 15-amp receptacle.
00:16.39GeneralAntillesIt's something I've done dozens of times before.
00:16.45zerojayI, however, am not.
00:16.58zerojayOr more like... I just have the worst luck with anything electrical.
00:17.07luke-jrGeneralAntilles: are you implying that anyone who has never installed a power outlet is retarded?
00:17.51GeneralAntillesluke-jr, like you're implying that I'm incompetent? :)
00:18.18luke-jrGeneralAntilles: personally, even if I was a pro at it myself, I'd still hire a friend to do it so the landlord pays for the repairs
00:18.23bobbydis this a maemo development channel? or is there another channel for developers?
00:18.36lcukwe are maemo
00:18.40luke-jrbobbyd: you mean Maemo developers, or developers who want their application to run on Maemo?
00:18.44zerojaybobbyd: This is the main one.
00:19.06GeneralAntillesluke-jr, good for you, I prefer doing things myself.
00:19.17bobbydluke-jr: I mean a channel for people developing applications that run on Maemo
00:19.20lcukhey zerojay
00:19.26zerojaylcuk: Yo.
00:19.27lcukbobbyd, just ask
00:19.53zerojaybobbyd: I don't think there are too many people here that are in a better position than you are though.... at least as far as I know.
00:20.05bobbydlcuk: well I did, but people are talking about electrical sockets :)
00:20.07bobbydok
00:20.13bobbydI'll keep at it
00:20.36lcukahhh right bobbyd
00:20.37lcukyes
00:20.51zerojayOpenGL-ES is one of those things that I don't think many people here have attempted to play with yet.
00:20.59bobbydok
00:21.11FirebirdI have, but EGL fails to open in the SDK :/
00:21.23zerojayYeah, that's the big stumbling block.
00:21.24lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31313
00:21.27lcukread that thread
00:21.27bobbydwell that's not much good then :)
00:21.28lcuk:)
00:21.30bobbydok
00:23.51dropcodeis it possible to get python purple running in redhat? or am I just chasing my tail
00:28.50luke-jrdropcode: you're certainly in the wrong channel for that
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00:35.13Firebirdmmm
00:35.14zerojayWho tripped over the wire again?
00:35.14zerojaysighs.
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00:37.08pupnik_another idea:  nack for mer to allow using 810 kbd to enter functopn keas - F1-F10 at least, with some combo-toggle, e.g. ctrl+fn, then press number for function key
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00:53.18bobbydlcuk: do you know which packages the files that are mentioned in that thread are in?
00:53.51bobbyd<PROTECTED>
00:54.06lcukno
00:55.09bobbydok, the egl stuff seems to be there already
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00:57.12bobbydumm, how do I transfer things into the scratchbox environment? :)
00:57.47bobbydok, got it :)
00:59.18dropcodeluke-jr: isn't python purple a maemo project?
01:01.04zerojayNever heard of it.
01:03.17dropcodehttps://garage.maemo.org/svn/carman/trunk/python-purple/
01:05.15zerojayI'd click on it if I could.
01:05.15zerojayBut my mouse is acting like a retard right now.
01:05.32b-man^heh.
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01:16.51luke-jrzerojay: no loss, the link is bad
01:31.52xnt14hello world
01:31.53xnt14:P
01:31.57xnt14~seen b-man16
01:32.23infobotb-man16 <n=b-man16@pool-98-108-31-110.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 50m 20s ago, saying: 'http://donmak.deviantart.com/art/Fat-Donald-32704833  <<this is scary 0.o'.
01:32.23xnt14hmm
01:32.23xnt14oh :P
01:32.23xnt14well, im on my server right now, ill switch to my xps
01:32.43xnt14[server]hmm
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02:02.56pupnik_let us consider whether to implement a sandbox environment for 3rd party maemo5 apps
02:04.05SpeedEvilhow is user/root seperated in maemo5?
02:04.18pupnik_particularly network-enabled apps that will be vulnerable to exploits
02:04.38pupnik_the only thing that comes to mind offhand is some form of selinux
02:04.56pupnik_afaok like normal linux
02:05.03pupnik_afaik
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02:05.45pupnik_there are different classes of protection, too involved for irc prhaps
02:05.59pupnik_but the fact that the device integrates camers, gps, microphonne, phone...
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02:08.47pupnik_i am probably just advertising my ignorance of prior discussions on the subject
02:17.26GAN800Cheap Chinese power supplies.
02:17.39GAN8008v != 12v
02:19.40toggles_wlol, you sure? from a chinese powerplant it may be..
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03:02.04Texratanyone on?
03:02.13Texratarg
03:02.31Texratslaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout
03:02.35luke-jrargv[0]
03:03.09Texratalways so quiet lately...
03:03.21luke-jrTexrat: we play games in #anime
03:03.28Texratahhh
03:03.34Texratyoung whippersnappers
03:03.37Texrat:p
03:03.43luke-jrno
03:03.51luke-jryoung whippersnappers play 3D games not on IRC
03:03.56Texratlol
03:03.58Texratok
03:04.16Texratheck I'm old and I play 3d FPS
03:04.25Texratlove to blow stuff up
03:04.36zerojayTexrat: Sorry, I'm here.
03:04.40Texratheh
03:04.53Texrathey jay yet another job showed up at Nokia
03:04.58TexratI've applied for 3 lately
03:05.03Texratman I wanna get back
03:05.15zerojayWhat are they?
03:05.25Texratcurrent job cannot suck more... but it beats unemployment
03:05.40Texrat2 are logistics coordinator/analyst, one is PDM specialist
03:05.54Texratthe latter is global like my old job
03:06.13zerojaypdm?
03:06.15Texratwhich would mean travel again! :)
03:06.29Texratproduct data management... what i sued to do for Stanley tools
03:06.33Texratused*
03:06.37Texratlol
03:06.51Texrattrying not to get my hopes up
03:07.30zerojayGood shit, man.
03:07.34Texratman I hope
03:07.45Texratthey've been hiring a lot lately
03:07.50Texratmostly software
03:08.05Texratbut posted a listing for mergers/acquisitions analyst today ;)
03:08.21Texrattime to buy more startups i guess
03:08.40Texratyou ready for the trip, roomie?
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03:09.34zerojayNo... I'm not going to be able to go.
03:09.58Texratwhat???????????????
03:10.00Texratnoooo
03:10.07zerojayCombination passport office fuckup + work assignments being pushed up... I'm screwed both ways. :/
03:10.11Texratwhat happened????
03:10.22Texrataw geez... wahh
03:10.24Jason404I've just been looking at the apps on maemo.org.  While there are not that many of them, they look generally high quality and useful.  Once the N900 comes out, is the app store going to be on Ovi?  As the Symbian apps on Ovi look like crapware in comparison
03:10.31zerojayI'm mega pissed.
03:10.37Texratdude, i am pissed for you
03:10.40Texrat:(
03:10.51TexratI was lookign forward to us hanging out
03:11.29zerojayJason404: There's a built-in app manager that will allow you to install free software and other things from external partners. That will be there from the start. An Ovi store will be coming in the future.
03:11.42Texratyou were the only one willing to put up with me...sigh
03:11.49Jason404zerojay: ic
03:11.49zerojayTexrat: So was I. I've never been to Europe before... and ugh.
03:11.58Texratoh dude
03:12.15Texratbeen to Paris and Helsinki-- you would LOVE helsinki
03:12.25zerojayI already know I would.
03:12.29Texratgreat town
03:12.40zerojayAll my favorite music comes from the area it seems. lol
03:12.47Texrathell I even loved going in winter
03:12.52Texratah, metal man
03:13.08Texratshit... now I'm bummed about you not going
03:13.20zerojayWell... not so much straight metal as much as some of the rock but close enough.
03:13.27Texratgotcha
03:13.44TexratI gotta sublet my room now
03:14.00zerojayBelieve me, it's *killing* me that I can't be there. My boss was borderline scared to ask me to stay.
03:14.17Texratcrap, I could get stuck with one of those guys who voted "shut up and stay home"
03:14.22zerojayHahaha.
03:14.33Texratman, I'm gonna pray hard soemthing breaks loose
03:14.40zerojayYou'll find someone decent... sorry I didn't let you know sooner.
03:14.46Texratit's cool
03:14.58TexratI'm gonna cry when I delete your name from the room
03:15.09zerojaylol..
03:15.33Texratdude, I'm so sorry
03:16.10Texrathey-- I'll bow out of the council race, tell them to give you my 7 votes, and then you'll get travel options for that
03:16.11zerojayGive Jussi a big sloppy kiss for me. lol
03:16.15Texratick
03:16.45zerojaySummit just was coming up at a bad time for me anyways.
03:17.25zerojayNot only am I trying to make this major milestone for a two year project, I'm supposed to be moving from Quebec City to Halifax between now and November to open a new office.
03:17.30Jason404anybody used Maemopad+ here?
03:17.51zerojayJason404: A few times, sure.
03:18.14Jason404zerojay: can it convert handwriting to text?
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03:18.46Jason404zerojay: and can you export?  Is there anyway I could export to MS OneNote?
03:19.35Jason404I hope some of these apps are updated to run in portrait mode as an option
03:19.51zerojaySorry, I'm not really qualified to say about those things.
03:20.07Texratwahhhhh
03:20.16Texratok you're deleted
03:20.20Texratsniff
03:20.38Texratslaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout
03:21.28zerojayJason404: I'm sure a lot will be. Just be sure to tell the people working on programs that you want it.
03:21.33zerojayFishy.
03:21.56Jason404yeh
03:22.41Texratwell crap
03:22.44Jason404most of these apps have not been updated in months
03:22.47TexratI gotta bail jason
03:22.58TexratI'm really, really sorry...
03:23.05zerojayLater, dude.
03:23.08Texratok
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03:24.27Jason404I guess the Maemo userbase will be much larger soon though
03:25.45Jason404what is Fremantle?
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03:47.48luke-jrJason404: the current version of Maemo
03:53.15Jason404ah thanks
03:55.04zerojayJason404: Each major revision of Maemo has had a name.
03:55.10zerojayMaemo 5 = Fremantle
03:55.26zerojayMaemo 4.0 = Chinook, Maemo 4.1 = Diablo
03:55.34Jason404ic
03:55.41zerojayElephantia was cancelled for Maemo 5.
03:55.59zerojayHarmattan = Maemo 6.
03:56.18Jason404Elephantia was a cancelled version?
03:57.04Jason404weird name
03:57.15zerojayIt was meant to be a version of the OS to come between the two, but Nokia decided it would be better to just put their resources directly into Maemo 5 instead.
03:59.23Jason404do you know if the N900 has a glass screen?  Has the N800/810?
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03:59.56Jason404or N97
03:59.59zerojayIf they were, I know I would have broken all of mine first day. lol
04:00.06zerojayI don't know about N97.
04:00.28Jason404plastic then?  don't they scratch easily?
04:00.45Jason404about half the people I know that have iPhones have smashed screens
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04:01.29johnxmy whole office has them and I haven't heard of any phone fatalities yet
04:01.43Jason404my sisters has smashed
04:01.59Jason404I was at a CAD conference the other week, lots smashed there too
04:02.03zerojayEach of mine have gone through extreme use without screen protectors and the worst I have are small scratches that are mostly unnoticable in the most used parts of the screen.
04:02.04Jason404one of my friends too
04:02.14zerojay(Not talking about iPhone)
04:02.34SpeedEvilAll phones have glass screens.
04:02.45SpeedEvilSome may have plastic covers on the screens or touchscreens
04:02.53SpeedEvilbut the actual display is glass
04:03.20Jason404really?  on the iPhone you can feel that it is glass
04:03.48Jason404and see that it is glass once it gets smashed :)
04:04.22SpeedEvilPhones with plastic touchscreens have a glass display behind them
04:05.23Jason404ic.  so the worst of both on the Nokia.
04:05.52Jason404they can still get smashed, and scratched too, and they do not feel as slick as an iPhone,
04:06.11microlithtreat your phone with care and nothing will happen to it
04:06.21johnxSpeedEvil, have to admit I didn't believe you until I looked at wikipedia
04:06.39Jason404I'll have to do stuff like make sure I never put it in the same pocket as my keys, and stuff like that
04:07.03johnxJason404, do people really put their iphone in with their keys?
04:07.26johnxkinda figured that was common sense along with "don't get sand in it" and "don't dunk it in salt water"
04:08.06microlithjohnx: and "beware of children"
04:08.07Jason404I've never bothered to take that care with any phones in the past, but I have never had a touchscreen phone before
04:08.22microlithJason404: ever had a pda?
04:08.43Jason404I had an Apple Newton for a bit, about 15 years ago
04:08.57microlithah, not a useful comparison then I suppose :>
04:09.05microlithfar larger than any winmo pda
04:10.03johnxwould rather have a newton than a winmo device
04:10.15microlithI don't doubt it
04:10.29johnxI want to steal UI bits out of the Newton OS wholesale
04:10.35Jason404i was temoted to get one, as I use Outlook and OneNote all the time.
04:10.38microlithmy axim x3 is sitting still disassembled
04:10.45microlithhaven't had the urge to put it back together
04:12.16microlithboggles at the SNIA conference shirt
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04:52.33RST38hmoos
04:53.04RST38hjohnx: Would you like the poo-green display with that? =)
04:53.26johnxif it got me working PIM?
04:54.29RST38hhmmm...
04:54.45RST38hstill uses an ascii file for his "pim"
04:54.48pupnik_what applications works like *xmms*,  but does now slow down on large playlists
04:54.51pupnik_something that doesn't try to touch each goddam file for playlist info upon playlist load!
04:55.07johnxpupnik_, change the setting in xmms
04:55.11RST38hpupnik: This excludes Nokia player(s) automatically
04:55.14johnxor get bmp and also change the setting
04:55.27pupnik_ah soo... a setting...
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04:57.51johnxRST38h, I do enjoy having a decent calendar and contacts app
05:03.32RST38hjohnx: My guess is that Maemo5 will make you satisfied then
05:03.48johnxRST38h, as long as I don't stray from the n900
05:04.16RST38hmmm...dunno. Should sync to another phone just fine, but you wouldn't need that
05:04.37RST38hAs to Google sync, surely, you can write a script to sync
05:05.00RST38hOr do you need to sync with the dreaded Exchange?
05:05.20johnxRST38h, I am in the unique situation of defining both sides of the equation :)
05:06.00johnxtransitioning from our terrifyingly ancient, non-standard LDAP/Mail server to something more modern
05:06.08RST38hAh
05:06.23RST38hThen you should be able to figure something out =)
05:06.27johnxso I'd really like to pull contacts from LDAP, and calendar events from caldav
05:06.36ShadowJKHeh, and I thought xmms was the lightest alternative if you exclude mpg321 etc :)
05:06.44johnxbut if I have to put in some kind of exchange-emulation layer, so be it.
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05:07.42pupnik_in my case it was PBCAK or whatever - invoked xmms -e mylist.pls which triggered the scan-each-file
05:07.54pupnik_starting it and loading the list did not scan files
05:08.01ShadowJKI tried amarok on desktop once. It consumed about 10 seconds worth of CPU time on every track switch, groping some monstrous databases..
05:08.26pupnik_i know, unbelievable
05:08.27RST38hWhy don't these guy just let me select files?
05:08.41johnxoverall rhythmbox hasn't hurt me much, except when triggering bugs in my crappy sound card drivers :/
05:09.17ShadowJKdo you use pulseaudio?
05:09.29ShadowJKdoes audio just hang?
05:09.54johnxdoesn't hang. after my system has been up for a while, every so often all I can get are clicks and pops out of my sound card
05:10.02ShadowJKah
05:10.20johnxthen sometimes when playing music the whole thing hangs
05:10.32johnxI'm willing to chalk it up to crappy or crappily supported hardware
05:10.58ShadowJKwhole thing as in whole computer?
05:11.02johnxyeah
05:11.35johnxpossibly could be a bad interaction between wifi card and sound chipset
05:11.47johnxI dunno, and I don't feel like troubleshooting it anymroe
05:12.30ShadowJKremembers the time when having more than one card made by Creative was certain recipie for hangs
05:13.53johnxyeah: ISA PNP still gives me nightmares
05:14.00johnxthat's what hell will be like
05:14.37ShadowJKtwo PCI cards did it too
05:16.40pupnik_wonder if i could hack xmms into iconbar, display double-sized within a legit hildon pop
05:17.42johnxI think it'd be cooler to have a proper mpd that used up no CPU time
05:18.06johnxs/no/almost no/
05:32.38ShadowJKthis tmo place is kinda evil
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05:32.47ShadowJKor depressing
05:35.15johnxin what way? the rush of 'blessed new users'?
05:35.46RST38hShadowJK: The wise treat it as their hunting ground.
05:42.24ShadowJKone day I will find a media player that doesn't consume more CPU than mp3 playback on a P133, AND handles unicode tags
05:42.32ShadowJK(and filenames)
05:42.35johnxdoes mpd?
05:42.44johnx...handle unicode tags...?
05:43.22ShadowJKdunno
05:43.41ShadowJKthe media player doesn't
05:43.43johnxcause it certainly meets the CPU requirements
05:45.27ShadowJKhm.. mpd isnt what i thought it was
05:45.30ShadowJKmaybe
05:45.35ShadowJKwhat is it?
05:45.47johnxit's the "music player daemon"
05:46.11johnxmpd: reads files, plays files and listens for commands on a well known port
05:46.40johnxthen a front end process lets you choose files to play, make playlists, play/pause/stop/ff
05:46.40RST38his also a daemon though
05:46.52RST38hwould like his mp3 player to quit when he says quit
05:46.53ShadowJKis that the included stuff?
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05:47.08johnxon the tablet? nope
05:47.40johnxRST38h, you can set that I think, but when it's not in use it'll just get swapped out
05:48.01suihkulokkihttp://www.wired.com/politics/security/magazine/17-10/mf_deadhand?currentPage=all
05:48.32ShadowJKapt-cache search found a bunch of packages that have Suggests: mpd, but no mpd itself?:)
05:49.06johnxShadowJK, on th tablet? yeah. I wish there was a 'ti-dsp' output for mpd
05:49.59ShadowJKit's kinda amusing when a 19 megabyte mplayer binary starts and responds snappier than the default player
05:50.06johnxbut I don't think anyone really got mpd working well with the n8x0's "unique" sound situation
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06:02.05RST38hSomebody needs to code a real music player for Maemo
06:02.29RST38hThe one not written in Python and reusing mplayer, and letting you add files to the playlist
06:03.00Pavlovheh
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06:05.26ShadowJKI'd be happy with one in python reusing mplayer
06:05.54RST38hUse Canola then
06:05.54RST38hOr any other of many players available from Extras
06:05.55johnxor youamp
06:05.57ShadowJKOh, something not the weight of an elephant
06:06.06RST38hIt does not matter.
06:06.16ShadowJKmy current setup on desktop consists of:
06:06.24RST38hAll of them tend to screw up, with mplayer getting out of control
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06:06.41ShadowJKmplayer $(find . -iname \*.mp3)
06:07.09ShadowJKbut more extensions than just mp3
06:07.30RST38hmoo wazd
06:07.35ShadowJKand then the multimedia keys on ghe keyboard for skipping to next track
06:07.45RST38hyes but you may not want all of those files
06:08.12ShadowJKprobably, but i dont know myself what I want
06:08.24ShadowJKforgot -shuffle
06:08.36wazdI live in a greatest country in the world
06:09.10johnxwazd, good news?
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06:09.35RST38hwazd: something blew up again? =)
06:09.37wazdThey sent me a request t come to the army dep today, I came and there was noone
06:09.54johnxdid you leave a postcard?
06:10.06RST38hthey did not expect you to come, not really =)
06:10.07pupnik_mplayer has -shuffle?  since when?
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06:10.10slonopotamus_err
06:10.14slonopotamus_i'm here?
06:10.24pupnik_yes
06:10.25ShadowJKpupnik: since playlist
06:10.25johnxwazd, actually, a polaroid picture of you standing in front of the door would be exactly the right thing :)
06:10.31johnxtoo bad polaroid went away ...
06:11.04wazdjohnx: RST38h: all: heya btw)
06:12.01wazdPolaroid picture of me, crapping in the center of the hall
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06:13.01wazdNow I have to come on 25
06:13.18RST38hcome for what?
06:13.23RST38hthey still want to draft you?
06:13.57wazdRST38h: to get my release
06:14.01RST38hah
06:14.05johnxwoo!
06:14.09johnxthat means you win, right?
06:14.23qwerty12This the fight against your country's conscription?
06:15.44wazdRST38h: they still want me but unfortunately I have 100% release issue)
06:16.07RST38hEhhehe
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06:19.23RST38hoff to work
06:19.32johnxhave fun RST38h :)
06:19.46RST38hif you can call it that...
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06:20.31johnxRST38h, there are worse jobs
06:20.52johnxI somewhat recently had to call an MS call center to get a ~50 digit Windows reactivation code
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06:21.32adeusa machine voice didn't give you the code?
06:21.53johnxthe machine voice didn't work for some reason or another
06:22.00adeusah
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06:22.05johnxI might have mistyped the massively long code too many times or something
06:22.09qwerty12There are, umm shall we say, faster alternatives
06:22.14adeusI have to call that thing quite often
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06:22.23adeuslast time when I plugged an bt dongle
06:22.30adeus"your hardware has changed too much"
06:22.43johnxqwerty12, it was for work. kinda nice to have it legit ;)
06:23.15qwerty12Doesn't your workplace use VLKs then?
06:23.31johnxnope
06:23.37qwerty12nice
06:23.43johnxwe're a mac shop except for a couple lone PCs
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06:33.36wazd_n801"I won't buy n900 cause it's not made of jelly!"
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06:33.54johnxnot made of jelly! damn!
06:34.13johnxI guess I'll just have to buy $650 worth of rasberry jam :/
06:34.26wazd_n801Nokia looks retarded making it not jelly
06:34.34johnxthe iphone is made of jelly
06:35.04johnxand if it isn't there's an app to make it jelly
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07:51.05RST38hback
07:51.22johnxso you commute by car?
07:57.06RST38hNo, I walk, take subway, take jitney bus (shit, had to look this word up), and corporate bus
07:57.29johnxwhat the heck is a "jitney bus"?
07:57.33johnxI'd have to look that up too...
08:00.05RST38hit is a small van (Ford Transit qualifies) that follows a bus routes but stops at request, like a taxi
08:00.32RST38hThe local name for it is a "routed taxi", but that would probably also confuse you
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08:01.47johnxthat whole concept is absolutely foreign to me :)
08:02.30Stskeepstaxibus
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08:05.57Stskeepswhen does elections end again?
08:06.07johnxend of the month?
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08:06.38johnxeep
08:06.58johnxends the 23:59 sept 27th UTC
08:07.02Stskeepsk
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08:11.04Jaffajohnx: Stskeeps: runs for a week. Started on Monday; ends midnight UTC Sunday
08:11.32JaffaNew council will run sprint meeting next Tuesday, and organised for the summit
08:11.58Stskeepsk
08:12.57JaffaErr, sorry - week after next Tuesday
08:13.00Jaffacan't use a calendar
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08:13.46Jaffamorning pvanhoof
08:14.08pvanhoofmorning Jaffa
08:14.24Jaffapvanhoof: Did you see my comment on google-album-art-downloader?
08:14.28pvanhoofno
08:15.09Jaffapvanhoof: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/google-album-art-downloader/1.0.2maemo4
08:16.23pvanhoofJaffa, the postinst script should trigger this 'retry;
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08:22.46Jaffapvanhoof: Ah, cool. What's the algorithm BTW? If it was me it'd be largely square images for the album & artist name?
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08:24.56pvanhoofJaffa, algorithm for? downloading the images?
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08:25.42Stskeepsmm, someone needs to copy 'tar' from extras-devel diablo to fremantle
08:26.00X-FadeStskeeps: What are you suggesting? :)
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08:26.29Stskeepswell, busybox tar doesn't unpack things correctly
08:26.40Jaffapvanhoof: Well, *finding* the images. Downloading them should be pretty trivial ;-)
08:26.49X-FadeStskeeps: Let me see if I can put it through the builder.
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08:29.05pvanhoofJaffa, http://gitorious.org/google-album-art-downloader/google-album-art-downloader/blobs/master/debian/postinst
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08:33.56Jaffapvanhoof: Ah cool, I wondered where the source was. Ta.
08:34.00pvanhoofnp
08:34.12pvanhoofJaffa, for Tracker master it's of course very different
08:34.18Jaffanods
08:34.20pvanhoofAs this script uses tracker
08:34.30pvanhoofBut this is targeted for Fremantle of course
08:34.52woglindehm whats the best way now to use sdk stuff under 64bit
08:35.14pvanhoofJaffa, Something like, SELECT ?as WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nie:isStoredAs ?as }
08:35.32pvanhoofAnd then tracker-sparql -q '$that_query'
08:36.05pvanhoofAnd then you get lines with a \t in front I think, that are the file:// uris to the images, so you probably want the album not the filename
08:36.06pvanhoofso
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08:36.58pvanhoofSELECT ?album WHERE { ?o a nfo:Image ; nmm:album ?x . ?x nmm:albumName ?album }
08:37.10pvanhoofnot sure about the predicate names, would have to look that up in the ontologies
08:37.49pvanhoofAnd you want a distinct in front of that first ?album too, else you possibly get duplicates
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08:45.59tigertwow
08:46.03tigertnew gpodder rules
08:46.36X-Fadetigert: Yes it does. A lot better now.
08:46.54Myrttiis Panucci any better?
08:47.10Myrttior is it still the same old pile of steaming frustration?
08:47.50tigertthe portrait view rocks too
08:48.15tigertcan someone with working less check what method he uses to detect rotation?
08:48.42tigertmy n900 has just more and I dont know how to search with it :)
08:48.42X-Fadetigert: The only thing I miss is a play button directly on the episode listing ;)
08:48.58Jaffapvanhoof: Is there documentation on what Uri.escape_string does? Initial static code inspection would suggest that URI escaping a string which had already had spaces turned into + would be wrong
08:49.02tigertX-Fade: sure
08:49.21tigertX-Fade: its an iterative process
08:49.26tigertthis is sweet step
08:49.42X-Fadetigert: http://repo.or.cz/w/gpodder.git?a=blob;f=src/gpodder/gtkui/frmntl/portrait.py
08:49.47X-Fadetigert: rotation code.
08:50.10Jaffapvanhoof: Also, the image URL it's looking for doesn't correspond to the results page I get :-(
08:50.20Jaffapvanhoof: e.g. http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:EWnJWGumSdb7QM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Duffy_Rockferry.jpg
08:50.43pvanhoofJaffa, hmm maybe google changed things
08:50.52pvanhoofIn that case, the program is broken :)
08:51.10tigertX-Fade: thanks
08:51.28Jaffapvanhoof: Perhaps just looking for http://...tbn would be more robust?
08:51.56pvanhoofnod, feel free to write a patch
08:52.10Jaffawill add it to his ever growing TODO list
08:52.14pvanhoof:)
08:53.08JaffaVala's documentation (or Google's indexing of it) still sucks :-( Trying to find the definition of asstring.str
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08:56.08lcuksummit hotel booking - quick howto needed please?   do i request when i book with kalevatravelteam
08:56.08pvanhoofJaffa, valadoc.org I think
08:56.28pvanhoofJaffa, http://references.valadoc.org/glib-2.0/string.html
08:56.34Jaffapvanhoof: Ah, cool. Ta.
08:56.38pvanhoofhttp://references.valadoc.org/glib-2.0/string.str.html
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08:57.58Jaffapvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring =
08:58.32lcuki am filling in form  for travel, but do i just rollup at the hotel and expect it covered or do i also book that with same people
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08:58.36KhertanHi !
08:58.46Jaffapvanhoof: Would you object to a patch which introduced a GLib.Regex dependency? Equivalent to the Perl: my ($url) = asstring =~ /<img[^>]+src="(http://[^"]+tbn[^"]+)"/
08:59.07Khertansomeone with an fremantle sdk or an n900 can try to install the package msaber available in extras-devel ?
08:59.26Khertani would like to know if dependancies are ok
08:59.27JaffaKhertan: accelerometer-based light sabre?
08:59.41KhertanJaffa: yep
08:59.41Khertan:)
08:59.51KhertanmSaber is a useless lightsaber simulator for maemo which use accelerometers.
08:59.52pvanhoofJaffa, no, go ahead
09:00.04pvanhoofJaffa, you have a gitorious account btw?
09:00.32pvanhoofIf so, just pastebin me the patch, push it, and even feel free to throw the package into the buildbot of maemo
09:00.33lcukjaffa, its cool..
09:00.39KhertanJaffa: i dev it without the fremantle sdk, without a device ... so don't know if it s work well :)
09:00.41tigertwow
09:00.45pvanhoof(after bumping the version, of course)
09:00.49Jaffapvanhoof: No, no gitorious account
09:00.53tigertis very happy with his gpodder now
09:01.09pvanhoofJaffa, ok, then use git's format-patches feature and E-mail me the patch to philip@codeminded.be
09:01.14johnxlcuk, I just added my name to the shared rooms list. was I supposed to do something else?
09:01.25Khertanlcuk: :) msaber available in extras-devel for fremantle ... anyway i don't know if it s works :)
09:02.03lcukwell im thinking the same, im arriving different time tho - i just need to know if i rollup sooner will the hotel know
09:02.10JaffaKhertan: maemo-optified?
09:02.16pvanhoofJaffa, feel free to bump the project's and package's version already, in that patch
09:02.21KhertanJaffa: optified ?
09:02.22Jaffapvanhoof: Will do.
09:02.38lcukjaffa do all projects need optifying?
09:02.45JaffaKhertan: maemo-optify is a tool to help you use /opt, to ensure your app doesn't use up the precious rootfs space
09:02.58Jaffalcuk: It's unclear; my approach is going to be "yes"
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09:03.13KhertanJaffa: hum ... an other original maemo idea ?
09:03.27JaffaKhertan: Yup. See the -developers thread.
09:03.40lcukjaffa - thats gonna be hard.  my cc is expiring.
09:03.41KhertanJaffa: yep i m currently looking
09:04.00KhertanJaffa: but if things is moved to opt ... path need to be different
09:04.15JaffaKhertan: It installs but doesn't run
09:04.22Khertansnifff ...
09:04.26KhertanJaffa: an error ?
09:04.38JaffaKhertan: maemo-optify will run as part of debian/rules and supposed to put symlinks in the place of the original files
09:04.43lcuki cant afford to dive over there on the chance i will pay - refunds would take longer than the funds we have left
09:04.58KhertanJaffa: an xterm trace ?
09:05.00JaffaKhertan: It starts; but then exits. Let me check from X Terminal
09:05.38JaffaKhertan: Boils down to "pygame.error: Couldn't open saber_on.pn" on line 31 of /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py
09:05.44gomiamKhertan: not original, really. /opt has been a staple of UNIX systems for a long time. Being able to free some flash space will help me avoid doing hand linking :)
09:06.05gomiamso I'm all for optifying as much as possible.
09:06.09KhertanJaffa: arg ... i ve forgotten to include my last png image
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09:06.15Khertanin the package
09:06.19Woollyhey guys, anyone a dbus master? :D
09:06.23Jaffagomiam: Except /opt isn't being used like the FHS says it should, which'd be /opt/<package> rather than /opt/maemo (if you use maemo-optify at least)
09:06.26Khertangomiam: depends on which distribution
09:06.42gomiamKhertan: notice I said UNIX, not Linux ;)
09:06.51Khertangomiam: yep
09:07.05gomiamJaffa: ok, so it can be modified to be FHS compliant, can't it?
09:07.39Khertanthanks Jaffa for your tests
09:07.59Jaffagomiam: m-vo doesn't want maemo-optify to try and make packages FHS compliant. I think it should.
09:08.09gomiamthen again, it seems maemo-optify is Fremantle-only, so it's not a solution for me right now :)
09:08.31gomiamJaffa: well, any rationale behind not being FHS compliant?
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09:09.07gomiam(from m-vo, of course, since you and I both think it would be better to keep it FHS compliant)
09:09.13Jaffagomiam: It still wouldn't follow every single letter of the FHS for using /opt, so /usr/bin/foo -> /opt/maemo/usr/bin/foo rather than /opt/foo/bin/foo
09:09.24JaffaThe FHS talks about /etc/opt and other things as well
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09:09.42gomiammmm... /etc/opt or /opt/etc? :)
09:09.57Jaffagomiam: m-vo is going to put maemo-optify in diablo so that it can be used in build scripts for packages on both diablo & fremantle
09:10.04gomiamoh, nice :)
09:10.27Jaffagomiam: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg20387.html
09:10.47gomiamI may yet avoid loading Maemo on a SD card :)
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09:11.17JaffaAnd of course, using /opt in Diablo packages also allows diablo users to mount it somewhere else as well
09:11.28gomiamyup, yup :)
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09:12.35Khertanthe autoconf approach of --datadir or similar <<< burk
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09:13.37Khertanmsaber_0.0.1-2 uploaded to autobuilder :)
09:14.13JaffaKhertan: Well, I'm a RISC OS/ROX man deep down, so I like packages being relatively self-container rather than strewn over the place. Makes random hacking easier ;-)
09:14.16JaffaKhertan: Cool
09:16.52keesjsomething like http://autopackage.org/
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09:17.32lardmanmorning
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09:19.39Woollymorning lardman
09:19.43Jaffakeesj: I don't mind packages inter-depending, but the resources for one package should (in general) be contained in a single place, IMHO
09:19.54JaffaBut that's not the non-/opt approach for Linux in general
09:20.34lardmanhey Woolly
09:20.55Woollyhow's your barcode stuff going?
09:20.57lardmanWoolly: just about got some useful data out, but my bindings are obviously a bit skew-whif
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09:21.06lardmanam returning some random strings from somewhere
09:21.12Woollynice one :)
09:21.33WoollyI gave up on Python, and went back to C :D
09:21.55lardmanI was feeling that yesterday :(
09:22.06lardmanyou still not got the batoo bindings working then?
09:22.15Woollynah, got bored of trying
09:22.29WoollyI've just been modifying maemo-barcode to do what I want
09:22.30lardmanI'll have a look at them if I get some time this week
09:22.35lardmanah fair enough
09:22.59Woollymaemo-barcode is incredibly quick :D
09:23.07Khertan[2009-09-23 12:16:32] msaber 0.0.1-2 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository
09:23.10Woollyare you using an n800, or an n810?
09:23.40lardmanI was using an N810, but not that handy so have dug out the n800
09:23.48Woollycool
09:23.49keesjis Woolly the GSoc?
09:23.59WoollyGSoc?
09:24.00lardmanno, I don;t think so
09:24.07lardmannothing to do with me mind you :)
09:24.13lardmanGoogle summer of code
09:24.27Woollyah
09:24.46Woollyyou should get the farsight plugins if you haven't already
09:25.00Woollyfor handling the auto-rotate of the n800 camera
09:25.17lardmanactually the gconfv4l2src should do that automatically
09:25.31Woollyyeah
09:25.37Woollythat's what I'm using
09:25.40lardmanthough it's hit and miss
09:25.47Woollyalthough did I not have to get the farsight plugins to get that?
09:26.19lardmanno idea really
09:26.37Woollycool beans, but yeah, gconfv4l2src is what I'm using :D
09:27.09Woollyand I've got a Python app to handle barcode lookups, munging the XML with BeautifulSoup and getting the stuff I want :D
09:27.24Woollythrough Amazon AWS
09:27.42Woolly-Amazon
09:28.06lardmanCould I nick your code?
09:28.26lardmanthere is some other scraping code from the barcode GSoC project too
09:28.35lardmanon Garage under something-shop
09:28.42lardmanchecks the name
09:29.12lardmanhttps://garage.maemo.org/projects/shop-mate/
09:29.46Woollysweet I'll check that out
09:29.48lardmanlet me know if you want to go with the batoo bindings though, I think I've got the hang of SWIG now, and certainly the batoo decoder is working inside my extension
09:29.57Woollywill do
09:30.05lardmanI can see the printfs, just can't get the string out yet!
09:30.14Woollyhaha cool :D
09:30.20Woollywant the Python lookup code?
09:30.32lardmanyeah would be useful, the more the better :)
09:30.36Woollycool
09:30.50Woollyyou'll need to register for AWS if you haven't already
09:30.55Woollybut I'll email that across to you now
09:31.27lardmanI am registered, just not got round to writing much code for that yet
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09:31.34lardmanthanks :)
09:31.43Woollyhaha :D
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09:34.47Woollylardman: sent :)
09:34.52lardmancheers
09:35.23Woollynp
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09:39.36lardmanhmm, qrcode.h:13: error: storage class specified for parameter `qr_point'
09:40.09lardmandoh!
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09:55.00KhertanYouhou ! a vmware image of the Fremantle sdk !
09:55.48Stskeepsbeta2
09:55.50Stskeepsbut yeah
09:56.12lardmanwoo-hoo! it works, at last!
09:57.20javispedromorning
09:58.37KhertanStskeeps: yep but better than nothing !
09:59.48lardmanlibdmtx decoding is really rather slow
10:01.27lardmanderf: you about?
10:04.11Khertansomeone to test msaber_0.0.1-2_armel.deb on n900 or maemo sdk ? (mine is downloading ;) )
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10:04.26Khertanavailable in extras-devel fremantle
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10:08.55RST38hBTW, anyone compiled Midnight Commander for Fremantle already? =)
10:09.20fralshm, it should be possible to rebind the hardware buttons to launch a specific app right? like if you hold the volume- for X seconds?
10:10.39JaffaKhertan: You need to use your app icon in XB-Maemo-Icon-26, btw ;-)
10:10.50Khertanhum yep :)
10:11.11JaffaKhertan: Same error
10:11.13Khertanbut it suppose i should convert it before in 26x26
10:11.20KhertanJaffa:  ? uh ?
10:11.38JaffaKhertan: For fremantle it's 48x48 (even tho it says -26)
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10:12.23javispedrosighs :)
10:12.26KhertanJaffa: could you try in xterm :
10:12.40Khertanpython /usr/lib/msabe/msaber.py
10:12.42Khertanpls
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10:12.51Khertanpython /usr/lib/msaber/msaber.py
10:14.10JaffaKhertan: 0.0.1-2 is installed according to apt-cache policy; and it gives the same saber_on.png error on line 31 as before.
10:15.31javispedrogah, fremantle sdl is built without esd support. so now I have to install pulse to get any audio from sdk at all
10:20.22javispedro~dice
10:21.58lardmanbbl
10:22.42andre__javispedro, esd is ugly and must die anyway.
10:23.01javispedroit was simple at least :)
10:23.11andre__and totally unmaintained :-P
10:23.17Khertanjavispedro: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ?
10:23.25Khertanjava: does the file is present in /usr/lib/msaber/ ?
10:23.31Khertanjavispedro: sorry wrong tabs
10:24.06javispedroKhertan: /usr/lib/msaber/saber_on.png: PNG image data, 480 x 360, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced
10:24.25javispedro;) (I downloaded it in the x86 sdk)
10:24.38javispedrobut can't run it due to no pulseaudio
10:25.10JaffaKhertan: You're assuming current directory somewhere. If I switch to /usr/lib/msaber it starts
10:25.59Khertanyep ... and no ... sys.path.append('/usr/lib/msaber') should be enough normally
10:26.03JaffaKhertan: Tap the screen to open the saber? Does it ever move or is ist just sounds? Mouse pointer is visible.
10:26.21KhertanJaffa: yep mouse pointer is visible ...
10:26.32Khertantouch the screen open the saber and do sound
10:26.40Khertanand shake it do other sounds
10:26.54JaffaKhertan: And no way of closing apart from Ctrl-Backspace to open dashboard and clicking its close there (AFAICT)
10:27.11Khertanactually i didn't move but it ll ...
10:27.13JaffaSaber seems a little small on screen. Blade should practically fill the screen IMHO
10:27.18KhertanJaffa: escape key
10:27.24JaffaKhertan: You're full screen. There is no escape key.
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10:28.03KhertanJaffa: arf ... i ve forgotten that n900 didn't have hard key
10:28.08KhertanJaffa: yep the saber will be full screen :)
10:28.31Khertanthis is not final ui ... the main purpose is to test the reaction of the accelerometers
10:29.08Khertanand this is quite difficult without a n900 :)
10:29.34Khertanbut thanks for the test
10:29.41tigertKhertan: I can test in a moment
10:29.43tigertalso
10:30.14tigertjust have to restore a backup after reflash
10:30.28Khertanand proposition ... i ll try to do graphics my self
10:30.36JaffaKhertan: Seems basically fine in terms of response AFAICT
10:30.37Khertanto avoid copyright problem
10:30.45KhertanJaffa: oh really ?
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10:34.45SpeedEvilKhertan: wiimote
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10:36.11Khertanwiimote ? gnié ?
10:36.50Khertanjust a question what is the precision in term of centimeters of gps ?
10:37.31Khertanis thinking of bluetooth communication between 2 devices using mSaber to simulate also the sound when the two saber meet themself
10:37.32Khertan:)
10:37.45atx_fhhey, i have a question: i'm trying to compile cacaoVM (with gnu classpath API. ) under scratchbox target (x86). .7configure wants a java compiler like javac or gcj. can i install gcj out of ubuntus repos?
10:37.47Khertanbut need to calculate position and distance
10:37.48SpeedEvilKhertan: it depends
10:38.06SpeedEvilKhertan: 4m or so average error is common with most GPS devices
10:38.11Khertanouch
10:38.13SpeedEvilKhertan: in moderately good conditions
10:38.13Khertantoo much
10:38.15X-FadeKhertan: Better use BT to find out if you are near the other.
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10:38.38SpeedEvilKhertan: with close devices - maybe 3m - there is some error sharing
10:38.46X-FadeKhertan: Then you can also sync the motion/clash sounds.
10:39.02KhertanX-Fade: yep this is the purpose
10:39.27Khertanhow to detect range with bluetooth with signal strenght ?
10:39.42X-FadeKhertan: No, but if BT works you are close enough?
10:40.01X-FadeKhertan: It is supposed to be a gimmick, not the real thing ;)
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10:48.27SpeedEvilStupid overkill.
10:49.00SpeedEvilGiven two panoramas constructed from the user waving the device about, you can correlate visible features to get an idea of range.
10:50.34lcukX-Fade, bt takes ~ 10 seconds to "ping" all devices and get info
10:50.49lcukit would be a very slow sword fight
10:50.49gomiamSpeedEvil: yay, Rube Goldberg-esque contraption XD
10:50.52lcukperhaps have each device emit a specific frequency tone
10:51.03lcukhopefully out of audible range ;)
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10:51.22gomiamlcuk: slow? Haven't you watched anime? Sword fights are supposed to be slow, with lots of talk in between :D
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10:53.53RST38hgomiam: that is chess
10:54.08gomiamRST38h: no, anime chess is fast
10:54.09gomiamXD
10:54.30SpeedEvilFM
10:54.43adeusbattle chess!
10:54.44gomiamor it should be, at least to compensate for the action scenes being so slow :)
10:55.01SpeedEvilYou can in principle do ranging using FM and reflections - but I don't think you've got enough data
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10:55.05gomiamadeus: oh, that was an entertaining game, for a bit at least :)
10:56.02RST38hEldar continues claiming N900 is unstable =)
10:56.19SpeedEvilIt is.
10:56.28SpeedEvilIt needs a nice stand, so it can't be tipped over.
10:56.35RST38hTrue
10:56.39javispedro++SpeedEvil
10:57.08javispedrowrites horrible hack
11:01.02RST38h's idea of an entertaining game is closer to the Dungeon Keeper
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11:01.19RST38hOr Heaven&Hell
11:01.37adeushmm battle chess is free for download in adandonia
11:01.53RST38hwhat platform?
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11:02.00adeushttp://www.abandonia.com/en/games/308/Battle+Chess.html
11:02.17tigertKhertan: it died, couldnt find start png
11:02.20RST38hFeh. PC.
11:02.54tigertsaber_on.png not found
11:09.51lbtis getting spam with N900 in the title...
11:10.02lbtI'll bet Peter is pleased ;)
11:10.17RST38honly if it actually extends your penis...
11:11.00inzadeus, yeah, that was a great game, checkmate with knight was the "best"
11:11.22RST38hThis game talk made me remember something... Does anyone remember the game where you had to evolve a planetary ecosphere to fight human colonists?
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11:11.42RST38hI tried googling but could not find it. What was the name of this game?
11:13.05adeusneed more hints
11:14.13RST38hWas published around 2000-2003
11:14.57alteregoIt was Elite's 25th anniversary the other day.
11:14.58alterego:)
11:15.16alteregoElite would be good on the N900 with an accelerometer ^_^
11:15.36tigertRST38h: Settlers come to mind but maybe thats not it
11:15.40tigertand it was older
11:16.00RST38htigert: Isn't it
11:16.20RST38htigert: The point wasn't to settle, it was pure pest control
11:16.25tigertok
11:16.34adeuskill all humans?
11:17.08adeusnot the game name put the purpose
11:17.52RST38hKill All Humans is just normal 3D tourism thing with aliens
11:17.55Macerhm
11:18.09RST38hThe one I am talking about is more like Civilization
11:18.13Maceri hate doing laundry
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11:21.37RST38halterego: Oh, YESSS, Elite, PLEASE!!!
11:21.56RST38hstarts thinking on using accelerometer for iNES dpad control
11:22.17adeusI would look in the wikipedia game lists, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:4X_video_games
11:22.29adeusmaybe one of those ring a bell
11:22.43tigertaccelerometer joystick driver would be nice
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11:27.59RST38hadeus: thanks
11:28.19RST38htigert: I just need to know how to access accelerometer, EMULib has got its own dpad API
11:29.47tigertyeah
11:30.04tigertI am not really a good person to ask this from, I just do pretty pixels :/
11:30.33RST38hadeus: not there
11:30.47adeusmaybe a "god game"
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11:33.05RST38htrying
11:35.47keesjand what about the push_nbutton project , would people want this n900 extention and if so what would they like?
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11:50.53Khertankeesj: hum ... i prefer to connect a usb gamepad to the microusb port ... and the output to the tv :)
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11:52.10keesjKhertan also cool, all you need is usb-host
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11:52.55Khertankeesj: which isn't officially supported by nokia on n900, but doesn't mean it cannot be done
11:53.26X-FadeJust use a wiimote or PS3 controller over BT?
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11:56.32keesjX-Fade: that is a little like when I just started with the n800 using a BT keyboard
11:57.05Khertanif only i can connect a larger screen on my n800 ....
11:57.12Khertans/n800/n810
11:57.40keesjif you are not mobile you might aswell use a different device
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11:58.16Khertankeesj: i didn't want to travel with the larger screen
11:58.17Khertan:)
11:58.53keesjOk so you need this http://focus.ti.com/dlpdmd/docs/dlpdiscovery.tsp?sectionId=60&tabId=2235
11:58.54Khertanand so require every time that data is synced
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11:59.51keesjthinking of it's I will add it to the nbutton project
12:00.28Khertanhum ... i ve a hardware project for push n900 : http://psp.jeuxvideo.org/generationpsp/images/accessoires/loupePSP.jpg
12:00.33Khertansomething like that ?
12:00.34Khertan:)
12:01.07keesjgo for the pico projector!
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12:02.04lcukkeesj, are you taking your nbutton proposal to the summit and let people hack and play
12:02.14SpeedEviltries to remember the details on the film with something like Khertan's proposal.
12:02.45SpeedEvilthough with an old-fashioned typewriter keyb too
12:02.53keesjThere is not much time but I certainly would fancy a BOF about this
12:03.13lcukif so, you could put it in the community showcase area:  http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31730  even if its just for a couple of hours you could get some feedback and ideas that the internet doesnt always allow
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12:04.11lcukit needs work to make it work, but  im sure if we can get more people involved its the right place for it
12:04.37lcukive asked lbt if he wants to bring his hardware hack too
12:05.25fralshmm, is it just me, or cant you change your last name on maemo.org/profile after initial registration? whenever i try to do it it stays for the session and then reverts to the one i used when regging
12:05.28SpeedEvilnbutton?
12:05.44SpeedEvilwants to do a micro-stick-on thumbstick.
12:05.50SpeedEvilBut it's not really triial.
12:05.52SpeedEviltrivial
12:05.59lcukkeesj, if that sounds good, just reply on the list and offer to hang about to talk to people for a bit
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12:06.49Willhi friends,I met a problem,when I run ./configure in scratchbox, it prompt me can not found hildmm....can anybody fix it?
12:07.04keesjSpeedEvil: http://wiki.github.com/keesj/push_nbutton
12:07.41wazdDamn, I need more RAM or SSD for scratch disk :)
12:07.54Willsorry , not hildmm,it's hildonmm
12:07.58lcuklol keesj, your lego hack is more complete than a whole pandora!
12:08.21SpeedEvilkeesj: There are USB HID hobbiest devices.
12:08.30SpeedEvilkeesj: however - I don't recall where I saw them
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12:09.24Willcan anybody help me?
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12:09.59wazdwooden n900 ftw :) Much better than cheap plasic :P
12:10.00SpeedEvilkeesj: Also - PCBs aren't that scary :)
12:10.09SpeedEvilWooden, with brass fittings.
12:10.22SpeedEvilAnd a nice leather strap.
12:10.23keesjyes, for usb-host there are quite a few programs that run on micro-controllers
12:10.45SpeedEvilAh - I forgot about the USB host possible issue
12:11.24keesjI have an alternative ready (the hammer) but it's a big gun to shoot with :p
12:11.37SpeedEvilhammer is way expensive.
12:11.49SpeedEvilIf you wanted cheap and easy you could go: http://bifferos.bizhat.com/
12:11.58keesjindeed but I already have it
12:12.00SpeedEvilwith a little USB hub
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12:13.58keesjthanks for the link
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12:14.27keesjwhere can i buy?
12:17.42SpeedEvilthe above
12:17.45WillÕâÀïÓÐÖйúÈ˲»
12:17.50keesjyes http://bifferos.bizhat.com/
12:18.25SpeedEvilkeesj: you click on the cunningly hidden 'buy' link at the bottom?
12:20.58lbtlcuk: I'm picking up more bits this pm... I'll know more over the weekend
12:21.22lbthappy to be involved if I'm around... need to check schedule for talks though
12:21.32lcuklbt, im more interested if you wanna sit around and hack and play like we did in cph
12:21.38lcukyeah we all do
12:21.49lcukbut the more thats involved the easier that is
12:22.14lbtof course :)
12:22.17lbtl8r
12:22.40wazdOMWeather reached Fremantle Extras at last :)
12:23.39lcukkeesj, same for you - and anyone else too.  an informal community hacking group during the summit.  if people wanna get involved speak up on the thread here:
12:23.40lcukhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31730
12:23.42lcukcooool wazd
12:24.51keesjdoesn't get tmo. wastes to much time
12:26.42lbtditto
12:26.57lbtwhereas irc otoh...
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12:28.38keesjbut I will look tonight
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12:47.51ccookereads back a bit; lcuk: Is there anything actually planned for the community hacking group or is it just "we'll have some space for it if you feel like it"?
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12:48.39ccookethe thread doesn't really seem to say what you think will happen there :-)
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12:49.48lcukwell it was opened as a community area, i noticed it amongst other things and the "hacking space" side of things would  just be a way to try different things
12:49.58fiferboyHmm, my font selector updates preview and returns the font now
12:50.02lcuki dont know what it would  mean or what would exactly happen
12:50.11fiferboyBut I don't like how pango handles underlining
12:50.49lcukbut i think it would be better to have a table and a few community members there  talking and playing  with stuff than nothing  at all
12:51.56ccookelcuk: Yeah, sounds like a nice idea
12:52.05ccooke(but I can see why people are basically ignoring the thread)
12:52.09lcukmight be completely wrong and quim s assertion may be right - but its worth a try if we can have it
12:52.13lcuki  agree
12:52.43ccookeThing is, it's not really something that needs replies as presented.
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12:53.58ccookeHuh. Pandora's keypad looks surprisingly similar to the new Nokia ones.
12:54.00lcukdoes agree and doesnt know exactly what it will be used for
12:54.10lcuklol ccooke what - its made of lego?
12:54.28ccookelcuk: go to openpandora and see their render
12:54.42ccookeIt looks... *very* familiar
12:54.52ccookeI wonder if it'll ever actually exist?
12:54.55lcuki have something better than a render tyvm
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12:55.18lcuktouches "it"
12:55.30lcukbbl
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12:55.51lardman|gone10min?
12:56.41ccooke(the whole pandora thing would trigger every last one of my scam alarm bells if they hadn't refunded pre-orders... and it still triggers most of them)
12:56.50lardmanccooke: I was wondering about that, perhaps they will deliver only 2 years late ;)
12:57.44ccooke(... but it's probably just another honest-but-horribly-managed example of engineers trying to produce their perfect device :-)
12:57.44penguinbaitits all very shady
12:58.23penguinbaitI wish I had one in my hand though
12:58.30ccookepenguinbait: dunno. I've seen similar things happen before and be proven to just be honest people who are idiots in some way
12:58.41ccooke(and let's be honest: Everyone's an idiot in some way...)
12:58.55penguinbaitI resemble that remark
12:59.10aquatixam not!
12:59.15ccookeFrom what I've seen, they're trying to make the perfect device. Ever heard the horrible maxim "The best is the enemy of the good"?
12:59.17aquatixi'm a *big* idiot
12:59.22lardmanI can't understand why they don't just come out with a realistic timeline now that they have people's money (as opposed to cc money)
12:59.26aquatixccooke: yep
12:59.42penguinbaitseriously lardman I concur
12:59.49ccookeIt's a soul-crushingly horrible thing to say... and very, very true.
13:00.23aquatixthat's why i try not to be a perfectionist
13:00.26penguinbaitJust say, its gonna be December, or March or whatever, have a real timelime, I think to many people would not have stayed
13:00.33MaceN8x0hm, wish this artigo had a little more kick to it
13:00.52lardmanpeople are stuck now, they've moved actual money
13:01.06ccooke(... it's a bit like the OpenMoko disaster, except *they* had better business sense)
13:01.14MaceN8x0lardman, yeah but in the end it might be worth it
13:01.23MaceN8x0(maybe)
13:01.28penguinbaitThey tried to get me to repurchase in May, and said it was going to ship in June, hahahahah
13:01.41ccookewait, they have peoples money?
13:01.50ccookenot via credit cards?
13:01.58penguinbaityup, it was a preorder froom over a year ago
13:02.05penguinbaitand yes, no credit cards
13:02.07MaceN8x0yeah, a black truck collects it
13:02.07lardmanyeah, they wouldn't allow reorders unless you used a money transfer
13:02.07ccookeI thought they refunded the preorders?
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13:02.20penguinbaityou are totally screwed if they go under
13:02.22lardmanyeah, then wanted the transfers or no order
13:02.26MaceN8x0sounds like a scam
13:02.30MaceN8x0hahha
13:02.31lardmanI didn't re-order
13:02.35ccooke... Okay. On balance, then, they are at *least* being dishonest with people's money.
13:02.35timelessyum
13:02.36lardmanindeed
13:02.47MaceN8x0what device?
13:02.52MaceN8x0a pandora?
13:03.00alteregoOpen Pandora thingy
13:03.02alteregoLooks scht
13:03.07MaceN8x0haha
13:03.14ccookealterego: it's *somebody's* perfect device.
13:03.24MaceN8x0haven't they said they were releasing it a year ago
13:03.27alteregoMaybe, not me :P
13:03.28MaceN8x0it is a scam
13:03.30ccooke... personally, I think their new keyboard looks like it'll be horribly to type on
13:03.31MaceN8x0:)
13:03.32luke-jrwonders how much that price figure should have dropped since people paid it.
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13:03.36MaceN8x0long term scam
13:03.44ccookeassumin it ever, you know, existed
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13:03.57alteregoI will never have _my_ perfect device until someone actually creates something that does all I want it to do and things I haven't even thought I want it to do yet.
13:04.01ccookehmm
13:04.03alteregoWhich wont ever happen.
13:04.25luke-jrunfortunately, they've probably screwed up for anyone who wanted to have the buyers pre-pay to cover the production runs
13:04.43ccookeI wonder if any UK person preordered... Assuming they have proof of the money transfer, taking them through small claims court might be just the shock the pandora people need ;-)
13:04.55luke-jrnow everyone who pre-ordered a Pandora is thinking "I'll never make that mistake again"
13:05.08penguinbaitI paid 208GBP which at the time was around 375$ US dollars, and I was returned 208GBP which at the time was 308$ US Dollars, I lost money on it from the start
13:05.24penguinbait#!@$#@#!#$er's
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13:05.37ccookeluke-jr: to be honest, I found the attitude of at least a couple of their people rather irritating. I may be judging them harshly because of it.
13:06.22ccooke(The "Watch out nokia! etc" sig on the forums, for instance...)
13:06.39luke-jrthere was probably a future for open hardware based on people paying before production runs, but Pandora's screwed that up for a while :/
13:06.57ccookeluke-jr: no, look at the crunchpad
13:07.00luke-jr?
13:07.04ccookethat's an example of doing this *properly*
13:07.24ccooke(they have prototypes that people have *seen*, for a start)
13:07.41MaceN8x0i still say it is a scam
13:07.58MaceN8x0"coming soon" while they are living off others' money
13:08.22MaceN8x0have to give the con artists an A+ on that one
13:08.45ccookeMaceN8x0: classic behaviour, unfortunately :-/
13:08.52MaceN8x0heh
13:09.04MaceN8x0well. touchbooks started going out
13:09.19MaceN8x0real people are starting to get them
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13:10.22MaceN8x0so
13:10.27MaceN8x0you never know
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13:10.35MaceN8x0i thought tbs were vapor too
13:10.39MaceN8x0although
13:10.47MaceN8x0i am still waiting on mine
13:11.25ccookeI have every intention of getting a crunchpad at some point after it ships. Looks like a fun thing to play with
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13:14.12lardmanartigo?
13:15.55Stskeepsi kinda want a http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NorhTec-Gecko-Info-Pad/
13:16.49lardmanbbl
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13:25.53fiferboyIt looks like bold and italic are font styles, but underline and strikeout are text attributes
13:26.11fiferboywazd: Is there a better way to optimize space with just the "B" and "I" buttons?
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13:27.09carboncopypush Gmail on EAS protocol - http://www.engadgetmobile.com/tag/googlesync
13:27.29carboncopyis there any email client on maemo which supports EAS?
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13:32.15wazdfiferboy: you want to remove S and U?
13:32.26fiferboywazd: Yes
13:32.30fiferboyAt least for the time being
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13:37.36Khertanlcuk: msaber 0.0.2-1Fremantle Extras-devel free i386Package importedSystem2009-09-23 13:22 UTC
13:37.38Khertan:)
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13:38.36wazdfiferboy: well, what will it optimize then? :)
13:38.52wazdfiferboy: since S and U affects the font look too
13:39.28fiferboywazd: S and U are considered text attributes and are not available to me (in the easiest, laziest form) when returning the font description
13:40.02wazdah :)
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13:40.22wazdwell, screw them then :)
13:40.55fiferboyFor now, at least
13:41.06wazdfiferboy: maybe you can move them to the row with font preview
13:41.24fiferboywazd: I'll try that
13:46.05timelesscould someone provide a picture of the ui under discussion?
13:48.03fiferboytimeless: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot37.png
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14:07.45timelessclicks
14:08.10timelesslose the article "a" from the title
14:08.29SpeedEvilfiferboy: looking good
14:08.48timelesspersonally, i'd stick the bsui above done
14:08.59qwerty12^
14:09.05timelessif possible as a single row
14:09.07SpeedEvilThough I agree S- and U_ wouldn't usually be fonts
14:09.08fiferboytimeless: can't :/
14:09.24timelesswhy  not
14:09.25SpeedEvilAnymore than - forex - pink would be in the font selection
14:09.37Myrtticonsiders taking pink from hilight
14:09.49fiferboyI am going to put "B" and "I" on the preview line, though
14:09.57timelessif you can't, then as speedevil notes. just lose them from the dialog
14:10.31timelessyou can definitely have buttons above done
14:10.35timelesswe do it
14:10.57SpeedEvilwonders at replacing the preview window and font size selctor with 25 abc 26 def 27 ghi...
14:11.05SpeedEviland having it spin sideways
14:11.05timelessa set of tiny buttons is probably not something we've done, but..
14:11.49timelesspersonally i prefer the quick brown fox jumps over ther lazy dog
14:12.31SpeedEviltimeless: I was meaning the current font-size - say 27 - is highlighted - and you scroll it left or right to make it larger or smaller
14:12.43SpeedEvilbut pribably not transparent to the user
14:13.04fiferboytimeless: What have you put over done?
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14:16.06SpeedEvilAlternatively - can the font size list be moved over 'done' - and shrunk to three items?
14:16.42fiferboyI have no experience with what can be over "Done"
14:16.59SpeedEvilis just rambling.
14:17.04fiferboyI was under the impression that this is the dialogs button area, and it is to be used for dialog buttons
14:17.20fiferboySpeedEvil: keep rambling, I like having lots of ideas
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14:20.32RST38hfiferboy: "-- Are you in charge here? -- Not really, but I have got a lot of ideas!" (C)Dr Who
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14:21.13fiferboyRST38h: :)
14:21.18SpeedEvilFont size is set by the GPS speed.
14:21.23RST38hOn the other hand, in the same segment there was a quote "-- Was that ambulance going to a hospital or an asylum?"
14:21.26SpeedEvilYou want big fonts, you need to run!
14:29.11asj_wrk-SpeedEvil: that's discriminitory to old peolpe ;)
14:31.59ccookeHmm. Nokia definitely said no MMS, right?
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14:45.58MaceN8x0The election of the Maemo Community Council is now open.
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14:46.12MaceN8x0there is a maemo council?
14:46.18GeneralAntillesNo.
14:46.31GeneralAntillesWell, arguably it's called Nokia, Inc.
14:46.39MaceN8x0haha
14:46.53MaceN8x0wonder what they do
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14:47.00GAN800Who?
14:47.17MaceN8x0like prevent world war?
14:47.30MaceN8x0the maemo council
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14:48.53GAN800Um, the managers and executives of Nokia and Maemo Devices decide where the platform is going?
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14:50.51MaceN8x0which is why i am confused about the council
14:52.01X-FadeMaceN8x0: The council should act as a gateway between Nokia and community.
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14:52.43GeneralAntillesThe Maemo _Community_ Council does as X-Fade says.
14:52.50GeneralAntillesWe're basically facilitators for the community.
14:54.00penguinbaitWhy did you not rerun GA?
14:54.31GeneralAntillesBecause a year is long enough and we need new blood
14:54.37GeneralAntillesand I'm tired of being at the FLAME end of the insanity.
14:54.46penguinbait)
14:54.50penguinbait:)
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15:08.54lcukpenguinbait, i actually think the current council were afraid of the uniforms thread
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15:11.24wazdohoh, Eldar Murtazin says that he will publish the review of Maemo 5 this evening and it will be bad :)
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15:11.53qwerty12Ooh, a review from a twat. Scary. :)
15:12.08X-FadeThat guy is all over the place ;)
15:13.05lcuknahhh X-Fade thats me
15:13.20Myrtti*splört*
15:13.24qwerty12/ignore lcuk
15:13.29lcukeldar murtazin can go suck eggs, after the blazing amount of publicity and fanfare his "leak" did hes now just stirring up controvercy.  all he is interested in is page views \@/
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15:13.56lcuko_O AGAIN
15:14.05lcukMyrtti, could you ask qwerty why he blocked me again
15:14.38qwerty12It's not him saying it's bad that annoys me, but, rather, what he's basing his review on
15:15.20qwerty12(review used in the loosest sense of the word)
15:15.38GeneralAntillesYeah, not much respect for him.
15:16.22lcukdid anyone find out where he got the device from in the first place
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15:18.57wazdlcuk: I prefer to laugh at him in his own house :D
15:19.29qwerty12wazd: and then take his N900? Because he clearly doesn't like it :)
15:20.00lcukyeah, poor impoverished children in first world countries would lap up an  n900
15:20.15wazdseriously, at first I thought everyone is wrong bout him and he's pretty good guy
15:20.29qwerty12Yeah, lcuk, I heard you were delighted to get yours
15:20.33wazdbut now I see his 180 degree turns in his thoughts bout n900
15:21.29wazdlooks like he's just a pathetic flamboiant wannabe
15:21.30lcuki will continue to be delighted with it - its got so many facets anddirections it can take
15:22.09lcukand all the limitations and low ceilings from the n810 are removed - everything is simply - better
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15:24.06lcukeven something as humble and simple as a textmessage.  i have spent more money sending texts between myself and tracy than i ever did with a predictive text phone, and i can remember the whole conversation
15:24.46qwerty12That feature has been in Nokia phones for a while now
15:25.02lcuknot in tracys or any of hte previous ones
15:25.10lcukscreen res hasnt been usable - maybe smart phones
15:26.02lcukive never seen the point of a smart phone thats restricted to 0-9 keys - qwerty is the future!
15:26.27qwerty12blushes
15:26.31lcuk:D heh
15:26.39slonopotamusinplant... outplant...
15:28.35lcukpokes aSIMULAter, just because
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15:28.52lcuki best go tho
15:28.53lcukbbl
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15:46.49wazdRST38h: http://gizmodo.com/5365288/ti-turns-30-calculator-into-15-iphone-app-swears-people-still-pay-for-real-deal
15:46.53wazdsuckers :D
15:48.03wazdthis item is not available in russian appstore
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15:53.34VDVsxwazd, what a shame, you can't have a cool calculator in your Hiphone :P
15:58.45RST38hback
15:59.31RST38hwazd: BA-series calcs are somewhat of a classic
15:59.49RST38hwazd: they are pretty stupid but lots of people use them
16:00.09qwerty12Moo, RST38h
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16:01.56RST38hqwerty: Moo! MThe Bug has been resolved!!!
16:02.22qwerty12I saw, glad to hear it :)
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16:05.38wazdRST38h: iphone users pay again for what others have for free :)
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16:08.20lcukwazd, the calculators?  not for long - ti have started suing people for rom hijacking or something
16:08.23slonopotamuswazd, they'll tell you that stuff they get is much more fancy-shmancy than others could ever imagine
16:08.44RST38hwazd: I do not do BA
16:08.49RST38hwazd: so, no
16:09.38lcukRST38h, i know i showed you the slash article, how does that sit with yours, and would it be beneficial to attempt real collaboration with ti
16:09.41lcukfor official version
16:10.03RST38hlcuk: I think I will get DMCAed to death
16:10.09RST38hlcuk: So prefer to stay separate
16:10.23RST38hBesides, BA is a dumb calc, it has nothing to do with progammable calcs
16:10.35lcuki think it would be better to try officially one day soon - we have ti hardware in our devices, using ti software on them would be fitting
16:10.40wazdlcuk: can you tell me the number of your n900 firmware?
16:10.46lcukno
16:10.57lcuk(a) i have old old old hardware
16:11.13lcuk(b) you are russian hacker
16:11.15lcuk:p
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16:12.13lcukwazd, my firmware is in sync with the publically released sdk - it has to be
16:12.24lcuki cannot install a later one due to -dev problems
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16:13.47wazdEldar said that he has n920 proto :)
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16:15.16lcukwazd, good for him.
16:15.48pupnik_mmmmüà assam
16:15.59qwerty12Two-faced cunt. I mean, if Maemo 5 sucks so much, then why would you want the N920?
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16:17.05wazdqwerty12: well, he's taking protos from someone giving it to him :) Why wouldn't he :)
16:17.16Khertan_n810Hi again !
16:17.29qwerty12True, I guess writing up another shit review must be fun
16:17.32qwerty12Hi Khertan_n810
16:18.48Kht_in_trainhi qwerty12
16:19.19mmu_screen<troll>to port Haiku to it</troll>
16:19.24Kht_in_trainhum how participants was present at the first summit ? only 200 ...
16:19.37Kht_in_traini think it was more
16:19.54lcuk199 participants and one ugly dude.
16:20.09lcukthink he was called curtain or something :p
16:20.45lcukis daring you to strike me with light sabre
16:20.59lcukwe should have battles on the tables and stuff
16:21.14Kht_in_trainhaha ... have you tried the 0.0.3
16:21.16lcukremembers he has an obi-wan cloak
16:21.21lcuknot yet i havent
16:21.59Kht_in_traini m currently trying some communication idea to mesure distance between two users of mSaber
16:22.04Kht_in_trainand communicate position
16:22.04Myrttican you fly with the cloak?
16:22.30lcukMyrtti, no, but it lets me take my droids ANYWHERE
16:22.36Myrttiooo cool
16:22.41lcukKht_in_train, we thought about bt positioning last year
16:22.46Myrttiwhat about CATS WITH LAZERS?!
16:22.47lcukbut ping time is restrictive
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16:23.01lcuknearest i can think is using a known freuency chirp
16:23.16lcukand listening for them and basing distance on volume
16:23.26lcukknown frequency chirp
16:23.43lbtmm cats with lasers... mine are evil enough with just claws!!
16:24.05lcuksharks with lasers are better
16:24.18GeneralAntillesPsh
16:24.21GeneralAntillesSharks with lasers are lame.
16:24.22RST38hwazd: Eldar apparently has 34.x firmware
16:24.23lbtthey'll drown
16:24.32RST38hwazd: That is week 34.
16:24.32GeneralAntillesWhat're you gonna do with a laser shark? Kill frogmen?
16:24.42GeneralAntillesNow cats with lasers
16:24.46GeneralAntillesnobody ever suspects the cat!
16:24.53lcukthats like something i saw
16:24.55RST38hGeneral: light show
16:24.57penguinbaitiphones with lasers, pointing right out the speaker when pressed against head
16:24.57lcukSubmarine racing: not a spectator sport.
16:25.02RST38halways suspects the cat
16:25.06GeneralAntillesRST38h, no wonder its shit.
16:25.14RST38hAnyone who ever had cats ALWAYS suspects the cat
16:25.17penguinbaitor maybe it was exploding batteries?
16:26.08GeneralAntillesRST38h, dunno, I've had cats all of my life.
16:26.08RST38hGeneral: Or he may be hitting some unlikely scenario (see email)
16:26.09GeneralAntillesMaybe they've just trained me too well.
16:26.09RST38hGeneral: Haven't ou notice how they always look at you as if you were meat?
16:26.12GeneralAntillesMine looks at me like I'm a dumbass.
16:26.21RST38hlcuk: Returning to the calc thing
16:26.27RST38hGeneral: EDIBLE dumbass
16:26.30qwerty12Mine looks at me and whines to be let out
16:26.38RST38hCases of cats eating their deceased owners are common
16:26.46RST38hDogs do it way less frequently
16:26.55RST38hlcuk: There are multiple issues there
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16:27.16RST38hlcuk: First of all, TI encourages hacking their calcs. They have even got a complete SDK for free, with the emulator and debugger
16:27.26GeneralAntillesqwerty12, I had a cat who did that then would run away as soon as you touched the door handle.
16:27.41penguinbaithttp://images.quizfarm.com/1101402295pissedattheworldcat.jpg
16:27.47RST38hlcuk: Secondly, that article on Slashdot was about people cracking encryption used on TI84 and newer firmware
16:27.48penguinbaitdamn cats
16:27.50qwerty12GeneralAntilles: lol. This one can't wait to bolt out...
16:28.05RST38hlcuk: It is not about general hacking
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16:33.29penguinbaitI would rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy
16:35.07Jaffapb-away: Did you have any answers on the -community thread?
16:35.33wazdRST38h: august?
16:36.25pb-awaysorry what thrad?
16:36.48pyhimyshttp://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.php
16:36.49VDVsxhumm eldar claims to have access to the "nokia bug list for n900" -> http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/statuses/4319143278 :P
16:37.07jeremiahOh that crazy Eldar
16:37.57Jaffaeldar is talking bollocks. I know this from people who provide access to the images. He hasn't got it.
16:38.22wazdJaffa: orly? :)
16:38.46RST38hlcuk: Thirdly that iPhone simulator simulates a dumb business calc which isn't much fun to emulate =)
16:38.53RST38hwazd: Yea
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16:39.27RST38hsuggests people do not discredit Eldar outright but rather assign his statements about 30% credibility
16:39.47VDVsxJaffa, don't say that, he've to everything, including nokia's HQ keys , lool
16:40.19VDVsxS/he've to/he've access/
16:40.27jeremiahIt does appear that Nokia leaked stuff to him on purpose.
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16:41.18RST38hnot really, he seems to have a contact or something
16:46.55Jaffajeremiah: I've heard mention that his device may be stolen; or at least gained through somewhat nefarious methods. Nokia don't seem happy with him; and a lot of his whinging may be an attempt to publicly get them to do what he wants
16:47.40RST38hyawns and sadly notes that keeping Eldar semihappy may be a much better strategy
16:47.58SpeedEvilMaybe we can gain karma by killing him!
16:48.07SpeedEvilsharpens his spoon.
16:48.17RST38hYes, and if you kill 5 Eldars in a row, you get 5000 bonus points
16:48.50RST38hLots of people read his site, and it is pretty informative site too
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16:50.24timelessanyone happen to be in krakow now?
16:50.52timelessi'm about to fly to katowice and hope to arrive in krakow tonight
16:53.02solariontimeless: I was about 2 months ago.
16:54.24timelesshow was it, what did you do, where did you stay
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17:05.17wazdtimeless: Eldar says that it's easy to crash the Microb :)
17:05.55RST38hwazd: His comments in LJ indicate that he has got intranet access.
17:06.11RST38hwazd: Which is rather amusing.
17:06.13jeremiahJaffa: Aha, that is interesting.
17:06.25jeremiahNot very nice of Mr. Eldar.
17:06.28AnunakinAny here knows how to change keyboard layout on Mer or Debian? my N810 has a portuguese layout
17:06.35jeremiahA bit of the old corporate blackmail
17:06.52lcukpenguinbait, i would/me offers curry n pitta breads to the hardworking legit devs around maemo
17:06.57lcuk-penguinbait
17:07.00lcuklol
17:09.50timelesswazd: good for him, i've had relatively few crashes since i started my vacation
17:10.13timelessvarious apps do crash, and the browser is getting some fixes
17:10.45timelessif he wants to be helpful, he can file a bug in bugs.maemo.org and someone will look
17:11.33lcuktimeless, if deffo depends on how you are using it
17:12.13lcukwe all know ways to crash even ruggedised stable code
17:13.30pupnik_dpkg-reconfigure console-data for debian Anunakin
17:13.30timelesssighs
17:13.39timelessstupid epired domains
17:13.57lcukdidnt microsoft.co.uk expire at some point
17:14.26lcukahh no, it was hotmail.co.uk
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17:17.48Macerhm
17:17.53Macerthink i should download house or something
17:17.54Macerand ncis
17:17.55Macer:)
17:18.11Macerthat ncis: LA shit is on the shitlist
17:18.15wazdMacer: already on it :P
17:18.25Maceri hate shows that cater to the west coast :)
17:18.27lcuksomeone said ncis was good
17:18.34Macerwell. more so.. cater to california
17:18.49Maceri wonder if they show a bunch of out of work used to be right people who have to migrate to nevada
17:19.15Macerwow. openoffice.org goes like 130K/s
17:19.22Maceri guess the price to pay for a free office suite
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17:21.31Macerwaits for openoffice + cups for the n900
17:21.32Macer:)
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17:25.04Sho_Macer: KOffice is there :-)
17:25.35Maceri thought it was only a viewer?
17:25.50Mekwell, you can run the full one as well, but that won't have a nice hildonized UI
17:26.17Macermeaning its options menus will be off screen :)
17:26.59Maceri remember running kde on my n800 and using koffice .. if i didn't have the bt kb it would have been unusable
17:27.40MyrttiI've read too much Ender
17:27.40Myrttineed brain bleach
17:28.00Mekand how do you expect OOo to be any better? at least for KOffice it is quite easy to make a new UI (as we've proven with the viewer...)
17:28.19RST38hJaffa: How do I vote for an app?
17:28.41MacerMek: never said that
17:28.54Macerjust figured it would be nice for sun to release an n900 openoffice ;)
17:29.10Macerwith cups support :)
17:31.01Macercan you run koffice in windows?
17:31.10Maceri know there is some kde on windows project but i never looked into it
17:31.37adeusyes
17:31.56Macerhttp://windows.kde.org/
17:31.59adeusit's part of the kde on windows package
17:32.01Macerwtf. that doesn't seem to work
17:32.21Maceror is it just me?
17:32.28adeusseems down
17:32.51Mekone of the main kde.org servers is down... (ironically the one hosted by nokia...)
17:33.01Macerhaha
17:33.37Macerawesome
17:33.43Maceri'd love to run the kde ui in windows
17:33.48Macerthat would be awesome
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17:34.30Macerah well. maybe i'll try again later
17:34.40Macermaybe they are running the server off an n900 :)
17:34.43Macerand the battery died
17:35.16JaffaRST38h: http://maemo.org/packages/view/<app>/ click through to a version and use the thumb up/down
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17:37.07Macerah well.
17:37.12Macerlet me do stuff
17:37.22RST38hJaffa: It does not light up. I managed to light it up twice by frantically reloading the page and clicking on the hand icons.
17:37.35RST38hJaffa: But in general it just does not work.
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17:39.27GeneralAntillesThe AJAX on thumbs really needs to be fixed.
17:39.35GeneralAntillesI don't want to watch a pinwheel pin when I click AJAX.
17:40.31javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/fremantle.png I call it the "elbow friendly GUI".
17:40.42RST38hpissed off Eldar. Hehe.
17:40.50GeneralAntillesLink?
17:40.59RST38hit's in Russian.
17:41.17lcukjavispedro, :) that looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
17:41.23GeneralAntillesTranslation? :P
17:41.55lcukjavispedro, :) the screenshot you supplied is most splendid
17:42.06RST38hGeneral: Basically, I asked what firmware version he is using and what exact problems he is having
17:42.11javispedrolcuk: ta :)
17:42.38RST38hGeneral: He said 34.14 for the firmware, said the device DOES NOT crash and by "problems" he means missing portrait mode
17:42.59javispedrowazd: ping
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17:43.02RST38hGeneral: I told him that the portrait mode is actually supported by the OS and everybody can use it in his app
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17:43.27RST38hGeneral: Also said that the bookreader (he moaned about no portrait mode for bookreaders) could use portrait orientation since Maemo4
17:44.15RST38hGeneral: He responded with a separate blog post about one screenful long, laying blame on maemo developers who are fanatics and can't accept the truth
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17:45.34RST38hGeneral: Every time you start asking him of specific problems he kinda jumps sideways, very funny
17:45.55lcukRST38h, you speak russian :O
17:46.03lcuki thought no1 spoke russian
17:46.05lcukanywhere
17:46.10RST38hThat's true
17:46.12crashanddie_in russia
17:46.14RST38hI speak Albanian
17:46.14crashanddie_i heard they do
17:46.16crashanddie_sometimes
17:46.23RST38hAnd so is everyone else around here.
17:46.28GeneralAntillesRST38h, nice.
17:46.29lcuknods
17:46.35threshyeah, Albanian is pretty common here.
17:46.49crashanddie_Where's that? Albania?
17:46.59javispedroI wonder how can someone switch sides so easily. It costed me two full years to lose the palm fanboyism.
17:47.00lcukjavispedro, once one has got drnoksnes installed how do i use it
17:47.13crashanddie_javispedro, it's called walletism
17:47.19RST38hjavis: He isn't taking sides, just trying to look smart
17:47.20javispedrolcuk: fremantle version has no pixel doubling thus mostly unusable :)
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17:47.28crashanddie_javispedro, whatever you pay for, you swear to love and treasure
17:47.40RST38hjavis: It works until you start pressing him with concrete questions, standard stuff
17:47.40threshcrashanddie_: no, Russia
17:47.47lcukjavispedro, even without pixeldoubling (your triangle WILL come in handy soon..) i can still do nothing
17:48.05lcukdo i have a console and compiler to make a "rom" thingy?
17:48.06crashanddie_thresh, i knew russian was quite popular in ukraine, didn't know about albanian
17:48.13lcukwaves at crashanddie_ btw
17:48.20crashanddie_waves back, btw
17:48.23RST38hjavis: I could probably brought him into total anal defense mode if I wanted to, few more polite questions and he is done for
17:48.26javispedrocrashanddie_: that's what I though. until I started cursing Palm even when my T|X was still alive. Criticising every move they made. But two years ago I would have blindly defended them.
17:48.42javispedrotwo-three.
17:49.51crashanddie_lcuk, sorry I haven't been around to help on the project
17:50.06crashanddie_lcuk, i'm fighting dearly to get a paycheck at the end of the month
17:50.58fralsis getting slightly annoyed with all the different logins required to contribute
17:51.19crashanddie_frals, SSO
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17:52.08lcukcrashanddie_, :) yeah
17:52.10lcuki know
17:53.05GeneralAntillesfrals, they're working on it.
17:53.22GeneralAntillesfrals, but unified logins for a dozen different web applications isn't easy.
17:53.38GeneralAntillesvBulletin, Midgard, Mediawiki, Bugzilla, GForge, etc.
17:53.48crashanddie_which is probably why there's a whole industry based around that very specific feature?
17:53.50GeneralAntillesfrals, if you want to help, though, ping X-Fade or danielwilms.
17:53.55pupnik_javispedro: dude!  you fixed fps counter?
17:54.05pupnik_where is changelog?
17:54.08fralscool
17:54.11pupnik_48-60fps in frogger
17:54.43javispedropupnik_: nope :P
17:55.01pupnik_oh ok
17:55.05pupnik_it is faster
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17:55.08pupnik_why
17:55.31pupnik_!
17:55.32pupnik_or my n810 got faster
17:55.42javispedropupnik_: its not.
17:55.45javispedroin fact it's a bit slower.
17:55.51javispedroaround 1 fps
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17:56.05javispedrobloat (superfx, etc)
17:56.05pupnik_ok i do some tests
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17:56.39pupnik_superfx now working?
17:57.12javispedropupnik_: yes! :)
17:57.15javispedrosaves and loads
17:57.30javispedroand i think i squished most yoshi's island gfx glitches
17:57.48Summelinice! :)
17:58.02javispedrooh, Summely, hi!
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17:58.16javispedroSummeli: did you do any tests with the C interpreter?
17:58.17SummeliI could take some of your fixes too :)
17:58.20pupnik_oh good grief, i should have tested more games
17:58.28Summelijavispedro: nope, I didn't
17:58.30pupnik_SoM down to 15-16
17:58.37javispedropupnik_: version?
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17:58.57pupnik_1.1.1
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17:59.08pupnik_lemme compare
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17:59.33javispedrodamn, so that's is not the snapshot load regression
17:59.55lcukc interpreter?
18:00.05Mac101n900 looks sweet :o
18:00.16lcukMac101, indeed
18:00.21lcuklickable
18:00.36Mac101does maemo have a package manager?
18:00.43javispedrolcuk: yes, the original implementation of the cpu emulator in C.
18:00.47pupnik_javispedro: -h 3 is the proper notation for all hacks?
18:00.58lcukMac101, apt :P
18:00.59javispedropupnik_: -h yes iirc
18:01.05lcukjavispedro, interesting
18:01.07lcukhow clean is it
18:01.10Summelijavispedro: actualy i did run some tests with thate
18:01.37lcukahhh - its not a "c language interpreter" its a "cpu interpreter in c"
18:01.38javispedroSummeli: pocketsnes or snes9x one?
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18:01.39Summelijavispedro: I had some issues with the asm optimizations, so I used the original c code at first
18:01.43lcukhello qwerty12_N810 !
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18:01.55Mac101nice
18:01.57Summelijavispedro: pocketsness stuff I guess...
18:02.12javispedroSummeli: have you any benchmarks?
18:02.13lcukmac, its got a nice clean gui front end
18:02.19Summelijavispedro: it's a lot worse
18:02.24javispedrohm.
18:02.34javispedrothat's the problem. it's not a _lot_ worse here.
18:02.38Mac101if i try this in a vm will it give me a good idea of the os thatll be on the n900 or are nokia modding that alot (if anyone knows)?
18:02.40SummeliI have all that stuff still available under one compilation flag
18:02.50qwerty12_N810hey lcuk
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18:03.07Summelijavispedro: oh, that's strange
18:03.22javispedroSummeli: yeah. and worries me I may not be getting all the juice from the asm core.
18:03.22lcukMac101, the sdk is not a complete final product emulator - it is a limited stripped down API compliant subsystem
18:03.26lcukfor designing apps in
18:03.40Summelifor symbian the blit takes a lot of cpu power >:(
18:04.01lcukjavispedro, <pupnik_> drnoksnes getting 48-60 fps in frogger   (in #liqbase)
18:04.07Summeliso it's really easy to see
18:04.11javispedroSummeli: yeah. RenderTile16, DrawMode7Background, Mode5, you name it.
18:04.24Summelithat too :)
18:04.53javispedropotentially accelerated by a good 2d library. the psp does it.
18:05.12Summeliyeah, I know
18:05.15Mac101sorry sdk? i thought this was also a normal linux os?
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18:05.40Mac101doesnt know wat sdk is :s
18:05.53lcukthen go watch videos on youtube
18:06.03lcukdrool for a while
18:06.06pupnik_lcuk: i hadn't looked at frogger in a while, so that was a fairly silly observation
18:06.07lcukwalk to nokia store
18:06.11lcukhand over cash
18:06.12lcuksmile
18:06.18pupnik_making a benchie
18:06.37javispedropupnik_: thanks, will help with regressions.
18:07.01lcukjavispedro, could you add some stat uploading
18:07.05lcukto help monitor
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18:07.13javispedrobuf, orwellian stuff ;)
18:07.14lcukappver,game,avg
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18:07.33lcukmake it optional of course
18:07.40lcukbut at least you get stats you understand
18:07.58Mac101so is this an os i can install in a vm? o.O
18:08.00pupnik_i have 2009 08 12, 19, 23, 28 - i overwrote the one before last though i think
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18:08.13pupnik_oh, and 08-10
18:08.38javispedropupnik_: forget the older ones, i'm more interesting in the newer (post september) ones
18:09.05pupnik_ehm, where can i get them
18:09.17javispedroextras
18:09.19javispedrowell,
18:09.21lcukthe repositories!
18:09.22javispedrostore them if they want
18:09.25lcukextras-devel
18:09.30pupnik_they have older versions?
18:09.37lcukevery accepted version
18:09.41pupnik_maybe a stupid question
18:09.41pupnik_ok
18:09.45javispedroyes, you can pull them with apt-get install program=version
18:09.57pupnik_how can i see avail versions?
18:10.01lcukhttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/d/drnoksnes/
18:10.04javispedroapt-cache policy program afaik
18:10.09pupnik_maybe i just go to url... hey thanks lcuk
18:10.14javispedroyeah, or that :D
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18:10.39lcuklol
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18:11.42fiferboyThe first version of my pannable-font-selector widget is done, and implemented in countdown-home 0.5-8
18:11.48fiferboy(soon to be available)
18:12.19lcukexcellent fiferboy \o/
18:12.35aSIMULAtoro hello
18:12.48lcuklol @ slow reactions
18:13.04lcukhiya aSIMULAtor
18:13.20javispedrooooh.
18:13.34Mac101software dev kit! i caught up
18:13.49lcukexcellent Mac101
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18:14.05lardmanevening
18:14.09lcukhi lardman
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18:14.17lardmanhi lcuk
18:14.19javispedroheh.
18:14.34lcukhows python goin
18:14.37lardmananyone know what I should use to sort out some automatic source code indentation?
18:14.40lcukim ready to throw it in the bin
18:14.43lardmangoing back to C now
18:14.49lcukit doubles startup time and breaks tonnes of stuff
18:14.52lcuk:D hahahaha
18:14.52javispedroso, the full story is that when I did the cpu vs asm benchmarks, the asm was "handicapped" because of the snapshot load regression
18:15.21lardmanPython works ok, but I think I've worked out where the C was having troubles, so can now address those
18:15.21lardmanpython takes too long to start up
18:15.21pupnik_javis so 1.0.0, 1.0.2, 1.1.0 and 1.1.1 ?  or some other set?
18:15.21lcukmight see how cfront works nowadays
18:15.25javispedroso now that I've repeated the test, yes, the C core is nearly 1/2 slower.
18:15.30pupnik_include 0.95?
18:15.31lcukmaybe bring it with a c99 compiler and preprocessor model
18:15.45lardmanwhat's the recommended C ide on Linux?
18:15.50lardmanor even just editor?
18:15.59javispedropupnik_: no, was mostly gui fixed iirc.
18:15.59lardmansomething that can sort out indentation would be nice
18:16.08lcuki like komodo
18:16.15lcukbut most editors do indentation
18:16.22lcukdo you need project management
18:16.25lcukor just editing
18:16.30Summelijavispedro: that's about same what I had
18:16.31lardmanit is the bacterial bite?
18:16.42lardmangedit doens't
18:16.42lcukkomodo is a nice editor
18:16.51lcuki made it look like the vb classic ide :$
18:16.56javispedroSummeli: ok. *relief* :)
18:17.06lcukand it has keyword completion
18:17.08lardmanI don't need the whole ide, just some syntax colouring and indentation control
18:17.10lcukwithin the file im in at least
18:17.33lcukz4chh really likes geany
18:17.45lcukthats quite simple and dev oriented
18:18.02javispedropupnik_: ok, 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 should be as speedy. 1.1.0 should be dead slow (the snapshot load bug I've been talking about), and 1.1.1 should be only a bit slower than 1.0.x series
18:18.05SummeliI think that there was similar results in the original gp2x forums too
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18:18.56pupnik_ok then i use 3
18:19.00lardmanlcuk: can you hit an menu option "indent whole file" and it will sort out messy/non-standard indentation?
18:19.25javispedropupnik_: i'd suggest 1.0.2 and 1.1.1
18:19.26lcuki would love to do that
18:19.43lcuki havent seen a decent prettyprinter menu in ages tho
18:19.56lcukyou would have to have a look
18:24.14GeneralAntillessighs at Freenode.
18:24.23GeneralAntillesIt's been close to two years and we still haven't heard anything from them.
18:24.29Mac101will the version of maemo that appears on the n900 be completely open source?
18:24.34GeneralAntillesI'm not gonna get to have my council cloak. :(
18:24.39SpeedEvilMac101: no.
18:24.48lardmanlcuk: http://astyle.sourceforge.net/
18:24.59Mac101will it be open source at all?
18:25.05lcukyeah i saw that a while ago
18:25.12lcukbut was not strong enough to compile lol
18:25.16SpeedEvilMac101: there are a number of closed source bits. However, mer - the allied open-source-only project will probably run on n900 at some point int he future
18:25.47SpeedEvilMac101: 'most' of it is poen-source - and you can run your own apps that you compile on the device if you so choose.
18:26.25Mac101ah i see
18:26.55Mac101so hrm anone know if all the apps will be free or there will be like an app store?
18:27.42SpeedEvilThere will be an app store.
18:27.44RST38h"Unsurprisingly, Gyms Don't Like iPod Nano's Video Recording Inside Locker Rooms"
18:27.47SpeedEvilBut also free apps
18:27.48RST38hrotfls
18:28.03javispedroforgot what he was supposed to do now
18:28.18SpeedEvilBoth apps that are free as in beer, free as in speech, and free as in willy.
18:28.38qwerty12_N810will pass on the free willies
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18:32.52Mac101are the apps currently in the download section all free/open source (and will remian that way when the fone hits)?
18:33.17GeneralAntillesJesus christ I hate Wikipedia so much.
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18:33.31SpeedEvilAs I understand it - there are few apps available for download, and at the moment, none charge
18:34.29GeneralAntillesCanola deleted without explanation.
18:34.29Mac101ok thx
18:34.36Mac101ah 1 more thing i could compile mplayer on this fone?
18:36.53lcukGeneralAntilles, its just an app
18:36.55lcukchill
18:36.59lcukliqbase isnt even there
18:37.03lcuknever panics
18:37.09RST38hjavis: You were supposed to add scaling to OpenTTD ;)))
18:37.13GeneralAntilleslcuk, it's not about the app, it's about the principle.
18:37.26GeneralAntillesLet's just delete shit people have put a lot of time and effort into without discussion.
18:37.26RST38hGeneral: by whom?
18:37.32GeneralAntillesSome random admin.
18:37.48lcuksome people have far too much time on their hands
18:37.51GeneralAntillesThey seem to love to storm in and piss all over my work then storm right back out.
18:37.56lcuki deleted half of liqbase for same reason
18:37.57RST38h[with thick Russian accent] ze bazaaaaaarrrrrr
18:37.59GeneralAntillesBunch of teapot dictators on wikipedia.
18:38.20RST38hdon't forget the grammar nazis
18:38.29keesjif lcuk never panics it's because he is not a kernel
18:38.49RST38hdoes he dump core then?
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18:39.18Stskeepsyawns
18:39.23GeneralAntillesBleh
18:39.37GeneralAntillesThey're going to tell the group contact processing team that I asked about it.
18:39.51keesjSIGSEGV
18:39.54javispedroRST38h: aw, yes. thanks for remindign!
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18:40.59lcukkeesj, guru meditation
18:41.30unixSnobwhat's the best way to get from london to amsterdam? are there any small cheap airlines, like skyeurope or wizzair operating between london and amsterdam?
18:41.37GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Canola_(software)
18:41.48GeneralAntillesOf course only admins can find that freaking discussion.
18:42.27javispedrowtf? they now delete deletion discussion pages?
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18:42.54GeneralAntillesUgh
18:43.08GeneralAntillestakes Wikipedia off his list of projects worth contributing to.
18:43.26javispedro(aw, sorry, should have copy&pasted the full link) :P
18:44.17javispedroPlease, IP, I ask you to show multiple reliable sources independent of the subject. Not nerds, blogs, documentation and forums.
18:44.23javispedrowhat???????'''
18:44.53jaskaDelete Non-notable and Wikipedia isn't a software directory.  <- bullshit, it contains tons of articles about various pieces of software
18:45.23GeneralAntillesI'm tempted to list a dozen other software articles on there that are less notable than Canola
18:45.29GeneralAntillesbut I know they'll just delete them.
18:45.38javispedroGeneralAntilles: everybody does them. then they ban you.
18:45.42javispedros/them/that.
18:46.04GeneralAntillesAlready been baned once by one hyperactive admin.
18:46.16SpeedEvilis sure he commented on that deletion review.
18:46.26SpeedEvilBut I can find no mention.
18:46.33javispedrofork! Sanepedia.
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18:48.00Sho_Macer: sorry, got distracted -- yeah, KOffice runs on Windows
18:48.22Stskeepspasses qwerty12_N810 a cookie
18:48.35GeneralAntillesI'm welcome to continue working on it in my sandbox.
18:48.43GeneralAntillesMyrtti, all done with wikipedia. ;)
18:48.48qwerty12_N810lol, thanks Stskeeps
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18:49.16Stskeepsnp, you deserve one
18:49.57GeneralAntillesI don't get why wikipedia is so delete-happy.
18:50.30Myrttithere are reasons for it...
18:51.13javispedrotheir rootfs is 99%? =)
18:52.12GeneralAntillesMyrtti, so far the only good wikipedia admins have done me is take all of the fun out of contributing.
18:52.30MyrttiGeneralAntilles: don't be mean, I used to be a wikipedia admin
18:52.31GeneralAntillesThat Umptious issue on Maemo left a sour taste in my mouth.
18:53.33MyrttiI'm fairly sure the canola article would not have been deleted from finnish wikipedia
18:53.33RST38hGeneral: Administering things is easier and more satisfying than content creation
18:53.40RST38hGeneral: that's why
18:53.53GeneralAntillesMyrtti, I didn't mean to imply that all admins are bad
18:54.06GeneralAntillesonly that my dealings with them have now driven me away from contributing to the project.
18:54.13RST38hCombined with the fact that on the Net nobody knows you are a dog or a masturbating teenager, you have got the perfect environment for pissing contests
18:54.28Myrttiand deletion is never decided by admins, if there's any implication that the article might actually have some merits
18:54.33RST38hGeneral: Think of their actions as marking their territory
18:55.11Myrttifrom my experience the most problematic people are the *wannabe* admins
18:55.29GeneralAntillesMyrtti, unfortunately the admin in question is seemingly dismissive of anybody he considers a "nerd".
18:55.41Myrttior people who base their actions to "this is correct, because meatball"
18:56.37GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cirt#Canola_deletion
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18:57.51Myrttiwow, so little votes!
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19:00.11javispedroThe microSDHC card can be formated with a supported file system such as ext2, ext3, FAT16 and FAT32.[citation needed]
19:00.15javispedro*sigh*
19:00.31javispedroconsiders pointing that to linux source tree.
19:01.21Myrttithat's just sad, that they've  deleted it based on so little opinions
19:02.17Myrttior votes
19:03.54GeneralAntillesNot impressed by the project.
19:05.32Myrttiwell, I've never been too active in the en. anyway
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19:06.02Myrttian example of a vote for deletion in fi. (about reply image macros) http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poistettavat_sivut/Replykuva
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19:07.53Myrtti(quite a difference)
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19:08.34GeneralAntillesIt's too bad, but they're only hurting themselves.
19:09.16GeneralAntillesHaha
19:09.41GeneralAntilleshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Barack_Obama_Joker_poster
19:09.43GeneralAntillesGotta love it.
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19:13.33javispedrobah, politics
19:14.12GeneralAntillesIndeed
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19:22.00lardmanlcuk: astyle does the job very nicely, once you work out the myriad options
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19:24.24lcukyeah but those options mean your code doesnt look like my code
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19:33.32lardmanyou can probably produce a certain set of settings to exactly encapsulate your "style" ;)
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19:39.22javispedrolol, wp admin forgot to delete canola from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola_(disambiguation)
19:39.58RST38hjust recreate the damn article
19:41.02Myrttiit'll be deleted as trash
19:41.36Myrttiwhat's to be done is to suggest a vote of inclusion or reverting
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19:44.01RST38hjust forget the whole thing
19:44.07RST38hleave petty dictators to themselves
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19:45.58lardmanif I want to check the start of a C string for some other string, would I look at the value of strstr?
19:46.06MyrttiI don't really care either way, just mentioned that it'll be deleted as trash as the previous vote for deletion decided it's not notable - if you want to fight that decision you need to suggest a vote for inclusion
19:46.26Myrttiwhich would probably be denied per not enough edits to be eligble for such suggestion...
19:47.05Myrttianyway, I'll just slink back into my troll hole
19:47.58GeneralAntillesThanks, Myrtti.
19:48.59RST38hlardman: I would do it by hand
19:49.29lardmanelement by element?
19:49.53lardmanI need to compare against 3 possible 3-char-long strings
19:50.24RST38hlardman: you can try casting to ints
19:50.30RST38hlardman: just be sure strings are aligned
19:50.54lardmanI want to do this, or something like this :) :
19:50.57lardmanif (strstr(data,"979")==data | strstr(data,"978")==data | strstr(data,"977")==data){
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19:51.10RST38hstrstr is a bad idea in this case
19:51.26RST38hactually... just compare characters. If it is only 3 chars, do char-by-char compare
19:51.37lardmanok, just looks messy ;)
19:52.10RST38hit is ok, it should be faster
19:52.22keesjSpeedEvil: I looked a little more at http://bifferos.bizhat.com/ I don't really see GPIO functionality
19:53.02keesjalso it looks like I need a usb-stick to boot from (1MB) is probably now enough for me(unless I use some rtos)
19:53.23lardmannot so bad:  if (data[0]==9 & data[1]==7 & (data[2]==7 | data[2]==8 | data[2]==9)){
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19:53.55wazdkonttori_: heya, around? :)
19:54.17wazdRST38h: you told that you can make theme .deb :P
19:54.22keesjlardman: don't you mean to use && ?
19:54.27wdehoogI am trying to add a new app to downloads but uploading a screen shot already takes 15 min. should I wait or retry?
19:54.36RST38hwazd: Yep
19:54.40lardmanah yeah, wrong lang
19:54.55wazdRST38h: what should I provide, .png?
19:54.56lardmanthanks
19:54.57RST38hwazd: Send me the files, with description where each file goes
19:55.05wazdRST38h: wah!)
19:55.05keesjso also || perhaps
19:55.05RST38hwazd: On the device that is
19:55.18lardmankeesj: indeed :)
19:55.31wazdRST38h: maybe you can just run Theme Maker under linux? :)
19:55.41RST38hwazd: Java? No Java.
19:56.01RST38hwazd: http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/497512.html?thread=14357608#t14357608
19:56.20wazdRST38h: r_az_r <- that's me :D
19:56.20RST38hwazd: Will Linux theme maker automatically create a deb?
19:56.27RST38hwazd: Ah, thought so =)
19:56.29wazdRST38h: Urho said yep
19:57.16RST38hall right, let me try istalling goddamn thing
19:57.18wazdRST38h: how do you know bout automatic checkbox? Are you sneaking something? :D
19:57.33RST38hwazd: Let us say I have seen a screenshot
19:58.40wazdEldar is really dumb
19:59.11RST38hJust full of himself. I wonder how long we can keep this on until he goes into anal defense
19:59.15SpeedEvilkeesj: yes, it doesn't really have any GPIO - well - there are maybe 4-6 pins if you hack it. But you need external USB IO.
19:59.25SpeedEvilkeesj: or a companion chip
20:00.05SpeedEvilkeesj: it's really made for plugging a hard drive and a net connection into - which it works well for
20:00.11RST38hEhh...how do I run this .jar crap?
20:00.22SpeedEviljava -jar java.jar
20:00.45wazdRST38h: no, sreiously, I told him that I'm neither maemo team nor nokia developer and he keep saying this.
20:00.48jaskasuddenly im reminded of a certain disgusting star wars character
20:01.13qwerty12_N810RST38h: You'll be happy to know, since you don't like Java, that the official theme layout/tools use autotools :p
20:01.30RST38hfound it...the PC is screeching like it is gonna die
20:02.08RST38hwazd: He is now suspicious of everybody, suspects we are all sellouts
20:02.23RST38hwazd: That is normal, you should see ru_mac people for reference =)
20:02.27javispedrowhich you are! ;)
20:02.59RST38hwazd: Ok, I managed to run this abomination. What do I do next?
20:03.00wazdRST38h: the bad thing that he's quoting me as I'm a nokia dev
20:03.10wazdRST38h: great, wait a sec
20:03.12RST38hwazd: Ask him specific questions.
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20:03.36RST38hwazd: Very specific. He claims you are Nokia dev? Point him to your blog or something.
20:03.58RST38hwazd: The moment he has to answer a specific question, he loses it.
20:06.49RST38hwazd: Can you read /msgs?
20:06.52timelesseventually arrives in poland and clears border patrol
20:08.03qwerty12_N810Oh, good job on hiding the weed and cigs
20:08.28wazdRST38h: read what?) PMs?
20:08.40RST38hwazd: IRC /msgs
20:08.57RST38hOh damn you are using miranda
20:09.03wazdRST38h: dunno :)
20:09.18RST38hwazd: Check around your miranda, it should have a window or a tab with msgs
20:09.38fralswow, russian really is moonspeak
20:09.45lardmanwazd: or your client can go TU like mine and not show them
20:09.52wazdRST38h: Çàïðîñ CTCP VERSION îò RST38h
20:10.07wazdRST38h: is that it?
20:10.14threshfrals: ORLY?
20:10.31RST38hwazd: That is me checking your client version
20:10.52RST38hAnyone uses Miranda.IRC and knows how to make it show private /msgs ?
20:11.05frals*runs it thru googletranslate*
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20:11.27qwerty12_N810lardman: in that case, may I suggest upgrading? :)
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20:11.38Komzzpaа чего такого страшного в русском? :)
20:11.48threshвот и я не понимаю
20:11.50lardmanqwerty12_N810: nah, just the wonders of having to occasionally run under Windows ;)
20:11.59qwerty12_N810suka
20:12.20lardmanwow, I can even see Russian in xchat, good skills
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20:12.33RST38hcan't, this xterm does not support it
20:12.38wazdoops
20:12.44RST38hFound it?
20:13.27RST38hVidno?
20:13.41wazdyep :)
20:14.07qwerty12_N810RST38h: Don't you get depressed looking at ircII and its über boring looks? :)
20:14.26RST38hqwerty: No, I have lots other things to look at my desktop =)
20:14.39RST38hqwery: Besides, complicated clients confuse me
20:15.11qwerty12_N810Put it this way: If I was IRCing into the early morning, I would not use ircII :)
20:15.47RST38hwazd: What fonts should I use for it?
20:16.05RST38hqwerty: I am an old fart used to VT100
20:16.09wazdRST38h: oh, I think it will work without fonts
20:16.13RST38hok
20:16.17wazdRST38h: but you have to attach icons
20:17.31igagisHi
20:18.37RST38hwazd: ThemeMaker stuck at 1%
20:18.45RST38his it normal?
20:18.48wazdRST38h: oh
20:18.54wazdRST38h: no
20:18.57igagisdoes any one want to beta-test new release of theremin app?
20:19.16wazdRST38h: have you attached icons and wallpaper?
20:19.21RST38hNo, it says they are optional
20:19.26RST38hAnd I have not got any from you
20:19.30wazdRST38h: no they are not :D
20:19.37RST38hBTW, /msg me your email for inclusion
20:19.44wazdRST38h: wallpaper file is in Theme Maker folder
20:19.50RST38hok
20:19.59wazdigagis: I want! :D
20:20.03igagis:-)
20:20.21igagiswazd: version 1.4 is in extras-devel, you are welcome to install it
20:20.32wazdigagis: I forgot, weren't you the guy who rocked with Theremin in Spb? :)
20:20.44igagiswazd: yes, it is me
20:20.54wazdigagis: oh, great, nice to see you here :)
20:21.03wazdigagis: I was right after you in this session :)
20:21.23igagiswazd: nice to see you too, I remember your impressive talk about ui :-)
20:21.42igagiswazd: yes, I remember
20:21.47RST38hJeez, this thememaker thing is buggy...
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20:23.11RST38hok it is running
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20:28.12wazdRST38h: now I guess you can test it in the SDK
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20:31.43GeneralAntillesWTF
20:31.50Stskeepsmm?
20:31.53GeneralAntilles"Canonical's Moblin Netbook Remix"
20:31.59Stskeepsurl?
20:31.59GeneralAntilleshttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/23/dell-announces-moblin-mini-10v-at-idf/
20:32.24Stskeepsnot surprised
20:32.27Robot101canonical is one of the moblin vendors
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20:37.06GeneralAntillesUgh http://maemo.org/community/community-projects/garage_faq/
20:37.18GeneralAntillesX-Fade, ping?
20:37.49X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Sorry, it'll have to wait until tomorrow. Just going to sleep ;)
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20:37.58GeneralAntillesSpam. . . .
20:39.14qwerty12_N810Everyone knows it was placed there by X-Fade who is getting paid for it and wants it to get enough views before he has to remove it in the morning ;)
20:40.14X-FadeShouldn't we just remove this page?
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20:42.48RST38hdpkg-deb: Mach-O executable i386
20:42.53RST38hfacepalms
20:43.05RST38hwazd: Send it to konttori, ask HIM to do it.
20:43.12GeneralAntillesX-Fade, probably.
20:43.19GeneralAntillesWe need to do a content sprint before the Summit. . .
20:43.23X-FadeSetting rights to user only.
20:43.24RST38hwazd: Tell him he is a hopeless Java lover and a mac nut.
20:43.57penguinbaitshutdown -h now
20:44.09javispedroshutdown: cannot shutdown
20:44.18RST38hwazd: Ask him to learn a real programming language and get himself a real computer, like DEC Alpha or HP Apollo or sometihing...
20:44.20penguinbaityup I can
20:44.24RST38hcackles
20:44.34javispedroRST38h: why? AppleScript is so much better.
20:44.57RST38hjavispedro: Except that his binaries do not run on plain x86 Ubuntu =)
20:45.10javispedrobut but but but but Mach-O binaries should just work!
20:45.14javispedro;)
20:45.30RST38hIn Steve Jobs bowels they do
20:47.17pupnik<PROTECTED>
20:47.22wazdRST38h: well, thanks for trying anyway :)
20:47.42RST38hwazd: I can try doing it by hand, actually
20:47.56RST38hwazd: But it will take a bit more time, so tomorrow probably
20:47.58javispedronot only that, but you can get your ubuntu native dpkg-deb ?
20:47.58wazdRST38h: don't waste your time :)
20:48.27RST38hit's ok, I am curious.
20:48.33pupnikupgrade ssh and xchat
20:48.42RST38hjavispedro: You mean it is not his proggy?
20:49.06javispedroRST38h: ah, dunno if he modified it. but dpkg-deb is a debian app at least.
20:49.16RST38hlet me see...
20:50.00RST38hjavispedro: java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "./dpkg-deb"
20:50.11RST38hfacepalms with both hands now
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20:52.07javispedrodunnos and suggests a full java dissassembly done by a certified pro java developer
20:52.35javispedro;)
20:52.53RST38hwazd: DONE IT
20:53.05GeneralAntillesjavispedro, don't tell me, you happen to know one who's available? :P
20:53.21wazdRST38h: nowai :)
20:53.52RST38hYes, please tell me, I will go and exterminate that guy
20:53.52javispedroGeneralAntilles: I happen to know enough of them to fill a few full-sized trucks ;)
20:54.04RST38hjavispedro: intact or hashed?
20:54.16javispedroin working condition.
20:54.30qwerty12_N810...then one is free to blow up said trucks!
20:55.59javispedrobut won't anybody think of the java developers!!! ;)
20:56.19Myrttisince I've saturated almost every other communication media with my rants, WHY O WHYYYYY Panucci is such a huge heap of steaming shit on Diablo?
20:56.52qwerty12_N810You haven't used the Konami Code
20:56.56GeneralAntillesMyrtti, not much incentive to fix Diablo stuff anymore. :(
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20:57.24RST38hwazd: check mail
20:57.37Myrttiif it's as big pile of shit in Fremantle, I'll be demanding MY MONEY BACK!
20:57.39Myrtti:-<
20:57.52RST38hGeneral: Bigger screen.
20:58.22RST38hqwerty: You mean Konami assembly code? Used it. =)
20:58.54GeneralAntillesMyrtti, GPLv4 should come with a money-back guarantee.
20:59.03qwerty12_N810RST38h: Now try using it in Panucci, a Python program :p
20:59.23MyrttiGeneralAntilles: INDEED!
20:59.33RST38hPython. Better than Java.
20:59.42Myrttior atleast a promise of compensation for pain and mental suffering
21:00.01wazdRST38h: got it, thanks a lot
21:01.07GeneralAntillesMyrtti, if only tasers worked over the internet.
21:01.17RST38hMeanwhile, how do I fix the memory bus conflict problem in software?
21:01.36Myrttiand to think this is about the only dedicated audiobook player with a gui for linux
21:01.45Myrttiseriously, this is sad.
21:01.57AStormGeneralAntilles: no, really, everyone would be dead no
21:01.59AStorm(now
21:02.11GeneralAntillesAStorm, and? :D
21:02.32AStormbeing alone on the internet is not fun
21:02.35GeneralAntillesMyrtti, honestly, the best audiobook interface I've ever used is still a tape deck. :\
21:03.12AStormGeneralAntilles: I prefer random-access devices
21:03.44GeneralAntillesAStorm, so do I, but cassette tapes are disturbingly effective for audiobooks.
21:03.58GeneralAntillesEvery digital player I've ever tried has sucked.
21:03.58hooeyWhere are the maemo icons on the device?
21:03.58MyrttiGeneralAntilles: mrh. About the best I've used is the Nokia Audiobook player for s60, and it uses awb-wb :-(
21:04.17GeneralAntilleshooey, /usr/share/icons
21:04.19Myrtti(apart from cassettes, which do rock, really)
21:04.24keesjpupnik: ping
21:04.26AStormMyrtti: amr-wb you mean
21:04.33Myrttiah, yes
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21:04.52Myrttiand encoding to that format is, let me tell you, SHIT
21:04.57coldbootI fucking hate busybox find...
21:05.20Myrttioh, yes, it also requires an index file
21:05.29Myrttiin utf-16 format or something
21:06.02AStormugh
21:06.12AStormthey could do better by adopting speex
21:06.12MyrttiI have a bash script that does the job, but I needed to make it poll for processor temp and make it sleep so I wouldn't fry my computer :-D
21:06.19AStormand supporting mp3 at least
21:06.46MyrttiAStorm: the point of the amr-wb is that it takes less space, which I can kinda appreciate
21:06.49AStormand using an available playlist format, like pls or m3u... maybe cue
21:07.09AStormtrue, but it shouldn't be required
21:08.04Myrttibut - the s60 app has a) bookmarks b) resume on play c) sleep timer d) keyboard shortcuts e) bookmarks
21:08.11Myrttiand did I mention
21:08.14Myrttif) bookmarks
21:08.26Myrttialso, sleep timer
21:10.37Myrtti# index must be in little endian UTF-16 unicode format
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21:14.33pupnik<PROTECTED>
21:14.47RST38hOk, adding NOPs fixes the memory bus conflict
21:14.54RST38hHow sweet...
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21:16.50pupnikwhat u doing rst38h?
21:18.02RST38hpupnik: copying pixels to a buffer in sdram, not the fb0
21:18.13RST38hon a Sigmatel chip
21:18.39pupnikah
21:18.56pupnikgfx uses shared memory?
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21:21.09Jaffapvanhoof: ping
21:28.03javispedrooh, pixel doubled openttd is actually semiplayable :S
21:28.27RST38hpupnik: Well it DMAs from the same SDRAM chip
21:28.30RST38hjavis: cooooooooool
21:28.47RST38hpupnik: But the memory controller should take care of that, and it does not
21:28.57javispedro(currently using Xsp though, still have to look at your scaler ;) )
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21:29.49orangeyhello all!
21:30.02orangeyis the release date for the n900 still 1 oct?
21:30.12orangeyI heard it was pushed back to 10 oct
21:30.13GeneralAntillesorangey, there is no release date.
21:30.23orangeyGeneralAntilles: what does that mean?
21:30.33GeneralAntillesorangey, no date has been announced.
21:30.36GeneralAntillesIt'll ship when it ships.
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21:31.09orangeyhow dependable : )
21:31.19GeneralAntillesTypical, mostly.
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21:49.28Jaffagives up on google-album-art-downloader for the evening. It *should* work better, if only I could get it talking to the interwebs.
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22:03.43wazdlooks like devastating maemo5 review from Eldar is not going to be released :)
22:04.43javispedrolarge amounts of money and blood involved no doubt
22:05.06wazdnot sure bout money :)
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22:12.14ccookewazd: not? What a shame. I was so looking forward to more of his 'journalism'.
22:12.44pupnikis that his real name or is he a rolÃe-playing nerd?
22:14.07ccookepupnik: indeterminate. He appears to be Russian and I *have* heard that as a Russian name. That does not mean it's a real name...
22:14.18ccookes/a real name/his real name/
22:14.27ccookeargh!
22:14.43ccookeis not used to bots helping out with substitutions :-)
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22:15.33wazdccooke: well, not today apparently :)
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22:20.35ccookewazd: ah, well
22:21.43ccookewonders how compliant the infobot's regex substitution is
22:22.03ccookes/wonders.*/tests &/
22:22.11zerojayJaffa: Worked fine for me.
22:22.16ccookeAnswer: Not very :-)
22:23.18GeneralAntillesccooke, it doesn't work with actions.
22:23.24ccookeahhh
22:23.55ccookeHmm. That would take actual coding to special case. How interesting.
22:24.47ccookeAltgh you'd have to special-case it anyway to make it look decent.
22:25.06ccookeIRC is such a cobbled-together system :-)
22:26.17ShadowJKA lot nicer than many other 1989 era protocols :)
22:28.29lardmanwhy am I getting an undefined reference to a function that is in the module in question?
22:28.40lardmancamera.o: In function `analyse_image.0':camera.c:(.text+0xa60): undefined reference to `batoo_analyse_image'
22:29.25ccookelardman: your code or someone else's?
22:29.43lardmanmine
22:30.05lardmanthe function is declared just down from where it's called, is prototyped in the header
22:30.57ccookeShadowJK: the only real problem is the IRC protocol itself defines only a text conduit, nothing more.
22:31.15ShadowJKyeah
22:31.22ccookeShadowJK: and people pretty much automatically use more than that if they can. Hence CTCP.
22:31.38ShadowJKand other cuteness, like the maximum message length being equal to minimum MTU :)
22:32.06ccookeCTCP amuses me: It's a reasonably clean way to implement a very flexible and good system with a mildly nasty encoding.
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22:43.58lardmanhmm, missed a bracket in one place, had an extra elsewhere, lucky or not, that it compiled ok that way
22:44.14lardmanbed time, night all
22:45.24wazddamn, Eldar is really stupid as I see
22:45.37zerojaylol
22:45.44wazdI told him 5 times that I'm not working for Nokia or maemo Team
22:46.02zerojay"Yeah, yeah... I've got the latest version of the firmware... it's from a month and a half ago!"
22:46.03wazdand he keeps telling me that I am
22:46.14jaem_N810:S
22:47.08wazdHe misquoted me and mede it look like I'm talking from the Maemo Developement Team POV
22:47.17zerojayWhere?
22:47.22jaem_N810is this a new article?
22:47.24wazdI'm trying to tell him that I'm not but...
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22:47.53wazdwell, random thoughts, nothing serious
22:48.15zerojaytwitter?
22:48.45wazdno, lj
22:49.51zerojayGood ole lj.
22:50.04zerojayI haven't used it in a while... think my account dates back to 2001.
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22:51.13zerojayKind of stopped using it when those Russians bought it (no offense).
22:51.30zerojayAll the ads all over the place sicken me.
22:52.21pupnikwhat is lj?
22:52.32GeneralAntillesLive Journal
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22:57.11zerojayI've been on that site for so long but never knew it had such a huge Russian population until it was bought this year.
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23:00.10wazdweird weird world: who knew that best and legit anti-spyware tool will be called "Super Anti Spyware"
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23:03.01lbtlcuk: takeoff happened
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23:08.14javispedroRST38h: ping
23:08.42javispedroerm. openttd is 8bpp.
23:10.16pupnikso?
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23:10.50javispedrogood question.
23:11.06VDVsx_wazd, looks like Eldar just released the maemo5 review ;)
23:11.14javispedrourrrrrrrrrrrl
23:11.16VDVsx_aahhah: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/contacts/cont04.jpg
23:11.29VDVsx_javispedro, he have your SW installed ;)
23:11.47javispedroglad to know I contributed into his perceived unstability!
23:11.54VDVsx_javispedro, russian version only: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-maemo5.shtml
23:12.52VDVsx_his calendar tasks are so funny, lol
23:13.57zerojayjavispedro: lol
23:14.09zerojayThere a pic of what firmware he's on? ;)
23:16.42VDVsx_zerojay, he covered that everywhere, why ? lolol
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23:17.51javispedrolols at battery low warning in review
23:18.02javispedroor worries. whatever.
23:19.40VDVsxjavispedro, best one: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/calendar/cal11.jpg
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23:20.51javispedroheh.
23:20.55javispedrolooks usable.
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23:21.44GeneralAntillesWhat a child.
23:21.50GeneralAntilleshttp://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/calendar/cal15.jpg
23:22.23VDVsxhihihi
23:24.23VDVsxnotices that Elder don't has Quim's number :P
23:24.35GeneralAntillesGoddamn browser fullscreen button.
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23:27.27Macerheh
23:27.35Macermediaportal has an "isdn caller id" plugin
23:27.42Maceri'm curious as to how many people are left with isdn
23:29.59Firebirdis the display brightness missing from the panel or am I blind...
23:31.50Macerin maemo?
23:32.01Macershould be there. otherwise you can add it
23:32.13Maceror use advanced backlight
23:32.36Firebirdhttp://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/russian-screenshots/localization1.jpg
23:32.49VDVsxFirebird, http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/maemo5/scr/maemo-screenshots/other114.jpg
23:33.05FirebirdVDVsx, that looks like the one from the control panel
23:33.08SpeedEvilMacer: it's quite popular in some countries, with IDSN under ADSL available
23:33.23SpeedEvilMacer: it's got lots more features than your normal analogue phoneline
23:33.23FirebirdI'm talking about the one in the panel which you can change with.. two clicks?
23:33.32CutMeOwnThroatdoh... an N810 is $500 now on amazon.com: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ng9k7k
23:33.41CutMeOwnThroatthey're getting more expensive now?
23:33.58VDVsxFirebird, yes, I think isn't present the panel
23:34.06VDVsx*in the panel
23:34.07andre__ridiculous price
23:34.11Macer$500?
23:34.14Macerwimax edition?
23:34.25Maceri know the wimax editions were a little crazy for some reason on amazon
23:34.34Maceri got my n810 on amazon for around 200 not too long ago
23:34.48CutMeOwnThroatused ones start at $210 there
23:35.04MacerCutMeOwnThroat: mine was new
23:35.07CutMeOwnThroatand I don't see anything about wimax
23:35.13Macerodd that they seem to be going up in price
23:35.22Macersupply and demand i suppose
23:35.22Firebirdwimax edition is $410 on amazon
23:35.29MacerFirebird: hm...
23:35.47CutMeOwnThroatI don't see that at all at amazon
23:35.52Firebirdthough... all used :o
23:36.35Macerwow
23:36.38CutMeOwnThroatoh, now I find it
23:36.40Macerthey sure are 500
23:36.42Macerwtf? :)
23:37.05Macerwhat the hell is going on? did someone figure out they can hack wifi signals with an n810 or something?
23:37.09Macerhaha
23:37.11CutMeOwnThroatbut then... wow Nokia N810 Armor Case - The Metal Case (Metallic Silver)
23:37.18CutMeOwnThroatyay
23:37.21Maceryeah
23:37.25Maceri was going to get one but didn't
23:37.48Maceri'd rather get a skin if i can. i usually am very careful with my n810
23:38.08Macerthe thing is amazingly scratch resistant as far as teh screen goes
23:38.11CutMeOwnThroatwater and air-tight titanium-nanotube-diamond alloy
23:38.13Macern800 wasn't nearly as good of a screen
23:38.16CutMeOwnThroat(we wish)
23:38.24Macerhaha
23:38.38Macergravity repulsor that stops it in mid air from hitting the ground? :)
23:38.53CutMeOwnThroatyeah
23:38.55Firebirdscratch resistant? My stylus scratched my screen >_>
23:39.04Macerer
23:39.06CutMeOwnThroatand draws energy from surrounding air to recharge it
23:39.12Macerthat's what you get for pecking in anger :)
23:39.39Firebirdthough, my new screen still has the packaging protector on it
23:39.39MacerCutMeOwnThroat: yeah. heard that was going to be an n900 feature
23:39.40Maceroh wait.. i mean openpandora
23:39.40Macer:)
23:39.40Macermy bad
23:39.55MacerFirebird: usually i get the protector
23:40.01Macerfor some reason nokia sticks a sticker on the stock one
23:40.04FirebirdI haven't bothered getting it yet
23:40.05Macerbastards
23:40.19FirebirdI've gotten the screen replaced three times already
23:40.26Macerwtf dude?
23:40.28Firebirdflex print broke 3 times
23:40.45Macerwhen watching the porn on the n810.. you can't literally shove your penis into it :)
23:40.53Firebird...
23:41.08Macerholographic vagina producer is still undeveloped
23:41.12Firebirdmaybe I opened the slide too many times...
23:41.22Macermaybe with .0000013.2.1.3b
23:41.42CutMeOwnThroatwell... guess I'm looking forward to selling the N810 for twice the price I bought it if this trend continues
23:41.57CutMeOwnThroat"and you don't mind the screen is a little bit smashed in, do you?"
23:42.26Macerhaha
23:42.34Macerwonder if people are buying them
23:42.40Macerfor such a high price.. there has to be a catch
23:43.01Maceryou will wind up selling it and find out an astroid is about to hit the earth and only people with n810s are given space in the bunkers to save humanity
23:43.50CutMeOwnThroatwell
23:43.55CutMeOwnThroatguess I'm prepared to take THAT risk
23:44.00Macer:)
23:44.03Maceroooook
23:44.07Macerbut don't say i didn't warn you
23:44.20CutMeOwnThroatI guess I won't have the opportunity...
23:44.24Macerthen again. a lot of people probably buy them as a car gadget
23:44.25CutMeOwnThroatbeing hit be the asteroid and all
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23:44.48Maceri originally bought mine for the car but got sucked into actually using it
23:44.50Macerheh
23:44.52Firebirdand if the asteroid destroys the planet, will the n810s turn into space survival kits?
23:45.08MacerFirebird: no. the aliens teleport you away to paradise
23:45.10Macer:-P
23:45.17Macerbecause only the smart people have n810s
23:45.28Macerthe rest are worth letting die
23:45.35CutMeOwnThroatFirebird, think "undocumented features"
23:46.00MacerCutMeOwnThroat: you don't really think that "disabled 3D gpu" is really what they say it is do you?
23:46.28Macerit's the teleportation transceiver
23:46.36javispedroreads disabled 3d gpu and cries, again
23:46.41Macerjust make sure your battery isn't dead when the end is near
23:46.52CutMeOwnThroatdid you install the extra-software that lets you have the N810 make you invisible?
23:47.10MacerCutMeOwnThroat: no. ran out of space on the SD
23:47.34Macerinvisible 1.0e takes up too much space.. have to wait til i get a 1TB SD in it
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23:48.00Macerjavispedro: haha.. it's ok
23:48.05Macerwhen you get the n900 you can use it ;)
23:48.34javispedro:'(
23:48.34CutMeOwnThroatup to now it seems the n900 is persistently invisible itself...
23:48.36Maceryou can always preorder a touchbook
23:48.43Macerand wait until it is obsolete to get it
23:48.47Macerlike i am
23:48.50javispedroI could always just play with my computer's gpu
23:48.51Maceralthough i was going ot get an n900 also
23:48.59javispedro:)
23:49.03Macerjavispedro: yeah that too.. but you can't lug a computer around
23:49.15Macerwell.. i guess with a car battery and dc to ac converter anything is possible
23:49.23Macerever see serial experiment lain?
23:49.25CutMeOwnThroatwell, kindle would have been an alternative if I'd have figured soon enough it also runs linux
23:49.36Macerwith the dude who has all that crap strapped onto his back walking around online all the time
23:49.50MacerCutMeOwnThroat: haha
23:50.05Macerwhat type of hardware does a kindle use?
23:50.09Macermy mother has one
23:50.15Macerit doesn't look like it's much of a beast
23:50.15CutMeOwnThroathttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Kindle
23:50.35CutMeOwnThroatCPU: Freescale 532 MHz, ARM-11
23:50.54javispedroway too expensive
23:51.09CutMeOwnThroat$300?
23:51.20javispedroer.. which one?
23:51.25CutMeOwnThroatdunno :)
23:51.40javispedrothe newest one costed nearlt $500 iirc
23:51.43CutMeOwnThroat1, 2\
23:51.51javispedroi don't know if previous models are 530Mhz
23:51.52CutMeOwnThroataccording to wikipedia article
23:51.57javispedroa
23:51.59MacerFreescale 532 MHz, ARM-11
23:52.02Macerwoah
23:52.06Macerwtf?
23:52.11Macerthat's faster than an n810
23:52.11Macerheh
23:52.19javispedrothe 32 MiB of RAM may be quite a handicap
23:52.24Maceryeah
23:52.26Macertoo bad
23:52.34Macerbut then again it's just for reading books so ... :)
23:52.40Macerbbl
23:52.46GeneralAntillesIt's really slow for being 532MHz.
23:54.15mavhcwhy so much cpu?
23:54.44javispedroprobably to decode pdf pages before the eink screen refreshes
23:55.11mavhcunless eink needs cpu to control it
23:55.25javispedroit does not, it has its own controller
23:55.33javispedrobut pdf decoding is slow
23:55.43javispedronow rescaling
23:55.55CutMeOwnThroatguess a device with emdebian would be nice... should give you kind of easy access to the full debian repository
23:55.59javispedrothat, or maybe running the java based mobipocket software
23:57.13CutMeOwnThroator maybe not... hard to tell yet
23:57.58CutMeOwnThroataw, well in a couple of years we'll just shove a 500 GB SD card in and not complain that there's not enough space on the device
23:58.25CutMeOwnThroats/not//
23:58.36CutMeOwnThroatthanks, infobot
23:59.12CutMeOwnThroator possibly s/not/still/
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