| 00:00.32 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: the native Chat app does |
| 00:00.54 | MaceN8x0 | does it? |
| 00:01.02 | MaceN8x0 | i thought they got rid of it |
| 00:02.05 | smackpotato | Isn't there a flash upload site somewhere? |
| 00:02.07 | nomis | luke-jr: (I don't want to drag out the C vs. C++ discussion too long, but if you're curious about the AA BB(CC); thing have a look at http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/defective.html - that document is ridicully biased, but an entertaining read and he at least backs up his opinion with examples) |
| 00:07.25 | smackpotato | c++ is been around longer than other object oriented languages acounts for some of its defects |
| 00:07.56 | lcuk | smackpotato, but it started so well |
| 00:07.59 | lcuk | c with objects |
| 00:08.12 | lcuk | a single upgrade |
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| 00:08.24 | nomis | smackpotato: the problem is that it was not designed, it was cobbeled together. |
| 00:08.27 | lcuk | change method(instance,arg) into instance.method(arg) |
| 00:08.32 | lcuk | and job is 99% done |
| 00:10.43 | smackpotato | i tried learning c++ for years then c# came along and I actually could do stuff |
| 00:10.57 | nomis | smackpotato: c# is in many many ways more sane than C++. |
| 00:11.46 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:11.54 | lcuk | yes - but i still hate the ms ide |
| 00:11.55 | MaceN8x0 | just got into an argument about animal activism |
| 00:11.57 | lcuk | they killed vb |
| 00:12.16 | lcuk | MaceN8x0, id rather not get into one here with you - this is code and dev talk |
| 00:12.24 | lcuk | and fluff |
| 00:12.27 | MaceN8x0 | again?? |
| 00:12.31 | lcuk | not serious shit :P |
| 00:12.32 | MaceN8x0 | god is that all you guys talk about? |
| 00:13.00 | MaceN8x0 | c++ is better than this.... python is the best scripting language.. assembly is the best... |
| 00:13.05 | MaceN8x0 | they are all only as good as their developers |
| 00:13.12 | smackpotato | i catch and release all my carrots (ot) |
| 00:13.13 | lcuk | i have other chans for other outlets |
| 00:13.14 | MaceN8x0 | the language is irrelevant |
| 00:14.07 | MaceN8x0 | if there is a problem with a language.. a good developer will simply fix it |
| 00:14.26 | MaceN8x0 | if they can not because it would be too difficult.. they make their own |
| 00:14.38 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 00:14.40 | Vulcanis | hmm |
| 00:14.42 | lcuk | hence we have |
| 00:14.45 | lcuk | abcdefgh... |
| 00:14.51 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 00:14.59 | MaceN8x0 | such arguments only wind up traveling in circles |
| 00:15.11 | smackpotato | the problem being that there is lots of soso developers like me that just want things simple |
| 00:15.27 | lcuk | MaceN8x0, i look at visual basic |
| 00:15.29 | MaceN8x0 | smackpotato, there is no such thing as simple |
| 00:15.46 | smackpotato | simpler then |
| 00:15.47 | MaceN8x0 | what you want is more of a shortcut than simplicity |
| 00:15.48 | lcuk | and its possible in an afternoon to practically fill a harddrive with simplistic usable uis and apps |
| 00:16.00 | lcuk | no hassle |
| 00:16.03 | SpeedEvil | What would clearly make it simple would be a new language! I'll call it 'm'. |
| 00:16.09 | lcuk | and the language can be bent into shape |
| 00:16.12 | MaceN8x0 | lcuk, beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
| 00:16.16 | MaceN8x0 | some might say assembly is not a hassle |
| 00:16.28 | lcuk | agreed - but millions said vb was good enough |
| 00:16.42 | lcuk | it turns blank page syndrome into usable functional ui in a matter of minutes |
| 00:17.25 | MaceN8x0 | either way... languages are still irrelevant |
| 00:17.31 | lcuk | yeah |
| 00:17.31 | nomis | in fact, programming AVR assembler was a beautiful experience. |
| 00:17.41 | MaceN8x0 | and visual basic is just like using ms frontpage to make a web site |
| 00:17.42 | luke-jr | lcuk: comments on GAMBAS? |
| 00:17.46 | lcuk | nomis, i always liked 68k |
| 00:17.52 | MaceN8x0 | sure you can do fast things in it. but are you really learning anything? |
| 00:17.55 | MaceN8x0 | probably not |
| 00:18.03 | lcuk | luke-jr, its a bit far down the line RIGHT NOW to consider |
| 00:18.05 | lcuk | but i agree |
| 00:18.07 | nomis | having a µC without all this operating-system bullshit around has a very special fun aspect. |
| 00:18.10 | lcuk | it is a very possible step |
| 00:18.19 | luke-jr | lcuk: ? |
| 00:18.25 | lcuk | gambas |
| 00:18.27 | smackpotato | vb was great exept for the basic conotation |
| 00:18.28 | luke-jr | ... |
| 00:18.34 | nomis | but of course at times you miss all that OS-bullshit :) |
| 00:18.45 | luke-jr | smackpotato: and Qt Designer? |
| 00:18.47 | lcuk | smackpotato, the same people who bitch about vb are now using python |
| 00:18.49 | lcuk | come on |
| 00:18.58 | SpeedEvil | OS bullshit is bullshit. |
| 00:18.59 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:19.02 | MaceN8x0 | see what i mean |
| 00:19.16 | lcuk | agrees |
| 00:19.17 | MaceN8x0 | travels in circles |
| 00:19.20 | SpeedEvil | Until you find you need to code a tcp/ip stack, and a http stack |
| 00:19.34 | lcuk | speedevil - liqbase is written in c |
| 00:19.38 | MaceN8x0 | easiest way is to prove your point by making valid good well written apps |
| 00:19.54 | MaceN8x0 | that serve a purpose and function and work properly as expected |
| 00:19.55 | lcuk | from windows VB form layouts i produce a simple working liq* app |
| 00:20.02 | MaceN8x0 | points to windows |
| 00:20.02 | lcuk | i then hack and code in c |
| 00:20.06 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 00:20.10 | MaceN8x0 | hides |
| 00:20.22 | luke-jr | lcuk: I still wonder what VB supposedly has that Qt Designer does not |
| 00:20.30 | lcuk | ease of use |
| 00:20.31 | lcuk | no bloat |
| 00:20.34 | lcuk | simplicity |
| 00:20.35 | lcuk | working help |
| 00:20.37 | zerojay | LOL |
| 00:20.40 | luke-jr | lcuk: I still wonder what VB supposedly has that Qt Designer does not |
| 00:20.41 | MaceN8x0 | paid developers? |
| 00:20.42 | zerojay | are you out of your mind, lcuk? |
| 00:20.50 | lcuk | zerojay, absolutely |
| 00:20.51 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: Qt Designer developers are all paid |
| 00:20.53 | MaceN8x0 | well. i gues qt has paid devs too |
| 00:20.54 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
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| 00:21.07 | MaceN8x0 | ms probably pays more tho |
| 00:21.08 | zerojay | VB's bloated to shit and runs SO slow. |
| 00:21.19 | lcuk | but zerojay i can create a whole app in vb in under 10 minutes which includes package and stuff |
| 00:21.24 | zerojay | Simplicity... yeah, but only to seasoned programmers. |
| 00:21.35 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, in a world of $100 quad core 3Ghz systems |
| 00:21.38 | lcuk | and zerojay where do you think i cut my teeth optimizing things |
| 00:21.40 | MaceN8x0 | nothing should run slow |
| 00:21.40 | smackpotato | I haven't checked it out |
| 00:21.53 | MaceN8x0 | thank you china |
| 00:21.54 | lcuk | i have spent nearly 10 years thinking about how to make things faster |
| 00:21.54 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Try some VB programs sometime. :) |
| 00:22.02 | pupnik_ | best use-case i found for VB was automating MS-office processes in a business |
| 00:22.04 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, haha |
| 00:22.09 | lcuk | i work on the slowest computers in the office |
| 00:22.12 | lcuk | and make my code purr |
| 00:22.13 | pupnik_ | but that was long ago |
| 00:22.21 | lcuk | and when the user gets the apps - they are happy |
| 00:22.46 | lcuk | cos it runs well |
| 00:22.46 | zerojay | lcuk: There's only so much you can squeeze out of VB though. Yes, it's good for banging out stuff real fast. |
| 00:22.46 | lcuk | not at all |
| 00:22.46 | lcuk | ive done lots in it |
| 00:23.10 | luke-jr | Perl is the *nix VB ;) |
| 00:23.17 | luke-jr | except Perl lacks decent UI design |
| 00:23.17 | lcuk | i dare someone to try http://liqbase.net/lcuk_parray.exe |
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| 00:23.43 | zerojay | Would if I ran Windows. |
| 00:23.56 | lcuk | that was the basic principle algo for physics view in liqbase |
| 00:23.58 | lcuk | many years ago |
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| 00:24.52 | lcuk | and zerojay base datatypes were compiled to native code and ran quickly |
| 00:25.08 | Vulcanis | does anyone know of a USB dongle (nonrigid), or a rigid USB thing thats small enough and firm enough as to not snap off, that would allow me to 'network' an n800 and the laptop, and ssh and stuff over it? |
| 00:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: bluetooth |
| 00:25.33 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: there are ones that stick out 3mm or so |
| 00:25.33 | Vulcanis | er |
| 00:25.34 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:25.35 | Vulcanis | I meant to say bluetooth |
| 00:25.37 | lcuk | Vulcanis, your normal flashing cable |
| 00:25.39 | Vulcanis | but yes |
| 00:25.40 | MaceN8x0 | damn |
| 00:25.47 | MaceN8x0 | media player ogg doesn't support ogm |
| 00:25.49 | MaceN8x0 | wtf |
| 00:25.51 | zerojay | Unless you're doing something very quick and easy, I found it was much better and faster to just let pros do it in C than waste time trying to optimize VB. |
| 00:25.52 | SpeedEvil | or does the n800 not have bluetooth |
| 00:25.56 | Vulcanis | so, bluetooth adapter, that can network the two, that doesn't snap off |
| 00:26.01 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Just audio codec, as far as I know. |
| 00:26.04 | Vulcanis | n800 has bluetooth, I forgot to say bluetooth USB adapter |
| 00:26.05 | MaceN8x0 | yeah |
| 00:26.06 | MaceN8x0 | that sucks |
| 00:26.10 | MaceN8x0 | ponders converting |
| 00:26.14 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: in principle it can - it's somewhat more annoying to setup than wlan |
| 00:26.15 | lcuk | i was paid to maintain a large vb codebase |
| 00:26.21 | MaceN8x0 | ugh this will suck :) |
| 00:26.21 | lcuk | and i had time to mess |
| 00:26.25 | MaceN8x0 | wtf uses ogm anyways |
| 00:26.29 | zerojay | Yeah, I guess so. That sounds like hell. |
| 00:26.37 | lcuk | comfortable |
| 00:26.42 | lcuk | i did not need for much |
| 00:26.43 | luke-jr | I was paid to maintain a decent size VB codebase. I rewrote it in C faster than it would have taken to try to fix it. |
| 00:26.43 | Vulcanis | SpeedEvil: But what adapters can be useable, and have a range that is essentially my backpack on my back to my outstretched arms? |
| 00:26.56 | Vulcanis | the only slots I'd have available are an SD slot and the USB slots |
| 00:27.03 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Almost all the anime geeks with their subtitled versions use OGM. |
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| 00:27.05 | Vulcanis | on the lappy, that is |
| 00:27.06 | lcuk | half the battle is finding a boss you like |
| 00:27.15 | luke-jr | zerojay: that was 5+ years ago |
| 00:27.18 | zerojay | lcuk: Definitely true. |
| 00:27.24 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, isn't that what mkv is for? |
| 00:27.25 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 00:27.28 | luke-jr | anime is all mkv now |
| 00:27.29 | lcuk | and getting in a team with good people. thats what i had for many years |
| 00:27.30 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: That too. |
| 00:27.37 | MaceN8x0 | ironically enough. i'm trying to use it for anime ;) |
| 00:27.46 | zerojay | lcuk: How's the job hunt going so far, by the way? |
| 00:28.08 | luke-jr | why doesn't Nokia just hire lcuk? |
| 00:28.10 | lcuk | holding pattern on a number of things |
| 00:28.14 | zerojay | Yeah, good question. |
| 00:28.19 | lcuk | and writing up guidebook for old place is sucking time |
| 00:28.20 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, did you see when lehman bros went under? |
| 00:28.27 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-NANO-ULTRA-SMALL-BLUETOOTH-DONGLE-FOR-PC-LAPTOP_W0QQitemZ330355325494QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Networking_SM?hash=item4ceab63a36&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 00:28.33 | MaceN8x0 | and they showed the b roll of the people doing the perp walk out the front door? |
| 00:28.33 | zerojay | They spend all this time promoting his program... and they won't offer him a job? Heh. |
| 00:28.38 | Vulcanis | Speed: But whats the range on that? |
| 00:28.43 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: also laptop in backpack may get regrettably hot |
| 00:28.43 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I didn't see it personally, no. |
| 00:28.53 | MaceN8x0 | you reminded me of the camerman who was filming it :) |
| 00:28.57 | Vulcanis | speedevil: It doesn't. I've tried running it before. |
| 00:29.08 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I have no idea what that even means. lol |
| 00:29.12 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: It should usually work just fine if that's all teh range you're looking for |
| 00:29.26 | Vulcanis | hrm, ok |
| 00:29.30 | MaceN8x0 | it's rather rude to scream out "how is finding a job going you unemployed bastard" |
| 00:29.34 | zerojay | lcuk: Would you be willing to move across the pond? |
| 00:29.39 | MaceN8x0 | some things are better left unannounced |
| 00:29.40 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:30.00 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Excuse the fuck out of me for actually being concerned and maybe seeing if I could offer him a job myself, sheesh. |
| 00:30.08 | SpeedEvil | Vulcanis: Plus, it's cheap. |
| 00:30.17 | MaceN8x0 | oh i didn't say it to be mean :) i was just saying |
| 00:30.18 | lcuk | i would, but my family would not. and hence any job would require maintaining 1 home + wherever i am required |
| 00:31.03 | zerojay | lcuk: The game company I work for is always looking for programming talent. |
| 00:31.05 | MaceN8x0 | lcuk, ironically enough .. that reminds me of the animal activist argument i had heh |
| 00:31.07 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, but then you can start a second family! |
| 00:31.15 | lcuk | LOL |
| 00:31.17 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Set up franchises? lol |
| 00:31.21 | MaceN8x0 | it was about how far people are willing to go to survive |
| 00:31.22 | lcuk | :D |
| 00:32.01 | nomis | night all. /me goes to bed dreaming of language syntaxes. |
| 00:32.07 | lcuk | gnite nomis |
| 00:32.18 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: It's amazing how much that changes when you go from being an irresposible kid to a family man. |
| 00:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | wishes he had a way to check the status on his goddamn Mac Pro. |
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| 00:32.31 | zerojay | Add an N somewhere in there. |
| 00:32.32 | MaceN8x0 | some guy went to rural mexico and was being a bleeding heart about the people that were begging .. i told him it was darwinism and they will either learn how to grow something to eat or hunt |
| 00:32.44 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, z4chh wrote moncells - it shows status of computers on the network |
| 00:32.45 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, i am a family man ;).. well. i have a son |
| 00:32.52 | lcuk | perhaps the moncelld could be ported |
| 00:32.56 | SpeedEvil | MaceN8x0: or ambush tourists. |
| 00:33.01 | MaceN8x0 | SpeedEvil, yes. that too |
| 00:33.10 | MaceN8x0 | my argument was that humans are simply animals |
| 00:33.13 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I'm sure you noticed that change in yourself when he was born. I know I sure did. |
| 00:33.21 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, of course |
| 00:33.58 | MaceN8x0 | SpeedEvil, and like animals they will either die or survive |
| 00:34.14 | zerojay | I just spent two hours after work taking a bus back to where my family and I went during the weekend because my kid left a stick he's had for a month or two behind. |
| 00:34.19 | MaceN8x0 | simple darwinism |
| 00:34.28 | lcuk | hopes to not have to beg. but paypal is modern equiv ;) |
| 00:34.34 | zerojay | Amazing how fatherhood changes you. |
| 00:34.55 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, wow. that is dedication. i'd have simply taught my son loss |
| 00:35.21 | MaceN8x0 | if he loses a stick he would be sad. but it would teach him to not forget again |
| 00:35.27 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: He's had enough loss with all the moving around our family's had to do. |
| 00:35.33 | GeneralAntilles | is an irresponsible kid and proud of it. |
| 00:35.50 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: But the next time... it stays there. |
| 00:36.04 | MaceN8x0 | zerojay, then take up the job offer ;) and you can quit moving |
| 00:36.05 | pupnik_ | any screen+irssi+ssh users know how to get a bell (ctrl+g) character from irssi through to the client-terminal i'm using (audio bell not visual bell)? |
| 00:36.12 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, we should try to get an Americas Summit setup early next year. |
| 00:36.18 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: What job offer? |
| 00:36.31 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Yeah, that would be nice... wish I could be at this summit... *sigh* |
| 00:36.49 | MaceN8x0 | oh. that was lcuk |
| 00:36.52 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, hey, my N800 puppy idea is still free. |
| 00:36.53 | zerojay | ok |
| 00:36.54 | MaceN8x0 | nm |
| 00:37.00 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 00:37.15 | lcuk | zerojay, i will talk to you soon if the offer is reasonable. |
| 00:37.15 | MaceN8x0 | why do yu move around so much? |
| 00:37.21 | lcuk | i have to see the other things first, thanks for pointer |
| 00:37.41 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Less now than originally. My wife lived in the US.. myself in Canada... it's a long story. And we're about to move again. |
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| 00:37.54 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: My company's starting a new office and they want me to help make it happen. |
| 00:38.00 | GeneralAntilles | I could also mount an N900 to a bike helmet and walk around with a Google video chat on for you. :P |
| 00:38.03 | MaceN8x0 | sounds nice |
| 00:38.08 | MaceN8x0 | where? |
| 00:38.09 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Hahaha... awesome. |
| 00:38.10 | MaceN8x0 | canada or the US? |
| 00:38.25 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm. . . . |
| 00:38.26 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I'm in Quebec City now and we're moving to Halifax in a month or so. |
| 00:39.05 | zerojay | lcuk: Just let me know and I'll get you in touch with the right people at my company. Doesn't hurt to try, right? :) |
| 00:39.14 | MaceN8x0 | coding type work? |
| 00:39.37 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I don't have "programmer" as my position, no. |
| 00:39.47 | GeneralAntilles | I need to find some reasonably sized computer speakers for that. |
| 00:39.48 | zerojay | Uh... it's... kind of complicated. |
| 00:39.52 | MaceN8x0 | management? |
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| 00:40.02 | zerojay | My official title is "data manager". |
| 00:40.07 | Soopaman1 | hey gyus |
| 00:40.09 | MaceN8x0 | ouch |
| 00:40.11 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 00:40.17 | Vulcanis | GeneralAntilles: does the n900 have two cameras? |
| 00:40.19 | Soopaman1 | anyone here actively dev'ing for the n900? |
| 00:40.20 | Vulcanis | one front/one back? |
| 00:40.23 | zerojay | But only because there's really no single title that fits for what I do. |
| 00:40.25 | MaceN8x0 | that sounds like a headache ;) |
| 00:40.26 | Vulcanis | because then you could do a video chat WITH augmented reality |
| 00:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | He's the guy that puts the jackets inside the game cases. :P |
| 00:40.39 | GeneralAntilles | Vulcanis, yes. |
| 00:40.43 | GeneralAntilles | Vulcanis, no compass. |
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| 00:40.55 | GeneralAntilles | s/jackets/sleeves/ |
| 00:41.03 | Vulcanis | also, is the n900 going to cost absurd ammounts stand-alone, or can you buy it without the cell feature for relatively cheap too |
| 00:41.04 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, can you use google vid? |
| 00:41.14 | Vulcanis | MaceN8x0: For? |
| 00:41.14 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I do light programming/bug fixing, proofreading, writing, voiceover supervision, light sound work, occasional pixel art, QA, tech support... eh... |
| 00:41.22 | MaceN8x0 | the front cam |
| 00:41.26 | MaceN8x0 | for vid chatting |
| 00:41.30 | Vulcanis | I haven't used it for that |
| 00:41.30 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: I more or less do whatever I feel like doing or whatever people say they need. |
| 00:41.31 | MaceN8x0 | that would be beyond awesome |
| 00:41.37 | Vulcanis | my n800 has like, the world's worst camera |
| 00:41.45 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: The last few days, I've been doing game design and concept pitches. |
| 00:41.53 | Vulcanis | I'm just getting back into actually using my n800 |
| 00:42.05 | MaceN8x0 | game design is not a good gamble nowadays |
| 00:42.21 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, it also has the worlds worst camera support |
| 00:42.26 | zerojay | But I am wholy unique within my company. I'm the one and only jack of all trades. Everyone else has an assigned post and title and are expected to stay within it. |
| 00:42.33 | Vulcanis | MaceN8x0: Thats because the camera is nonexistant, or atleast, should be |
| 00:42.36 | pupnik | fun position zerojay |
| 00:42.47 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, heh. it works "kind of" |
| 00:42.51 | Vulcanis | I'd rather that be a fingerprint reader or something awesome |
| 00:42.52 | zerojay | pupnik: It is... though a lot of people at work don't know exactly what I do. lol. |
| 00:42.52 | pupnik | or rather - not dull |
| 00:42.54 | MaceN8x0 | but gizmo is the only thing i've seen it work on |
| 00:42.58 | Vulcanis | but no, its a camera where 90% of your faces are blue |
| 00:43.00 | pupnik | had the same situation |
| 00:43.02 | Vulcanis | Mace: gpscamera too |
| 00:43.11 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, mine would usually be green |
| 00:43.13 | zerojay | A coworker suggested that I get business cards made up... "Jay Carter - King of all Cosmos" lol |
| 00:43.18 | MaceN8x0 | it's better than nothing though |
| 00:43.20 | Vulcanis | oh well my ccd is better than your ccd then I guess |
| 00:43.30 | Vulcanis | you could use a program toput flesh color in all the blue dots, I guess |
| 00:43.30 | MaceN8x0 | i used to use it to vid chat with my son |
| 00:43.40 | zerojay | pupnik: Yeah, you don't know what you'll do day to day. It is fun. |
| 00:43.41 | Vulcanis | well, at the fps the camera gives |
| 00:43.47 | Vulcanis | I'd give him a flip book of your pictures |
| 00:43.53 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:43.53 | Vulcanis | and just tell him to flip through it every 30s or so |
| 00:44.03 | MaceN8x0 | it wasn't THAT bad |
| 00:44.09 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 00:44.10 | Vulcanis | its not, but its pretty close |
| 00:44.13 | MaceN8x0 | i mean it wasn't good |
| 00:44.23 | MaceN8x0 | but it was good enough |
| 00:44.29 | Vulcanis | its better than nothing, but I can't help but wonder what else could have gone there |
| 00:44.31 | MaceN8x0 | i just hope the n900 has better vid chatting support |
| 00:44.44 | MaceN8x0 | made in china |
| 00:44.47 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 00:44.47 | Vulcanis | I hope the n900 I can get un-cellphone-planned for sub-400 |
| 00:45.18 | MaceN8x0 | maybe they will sell a different model like that |
| 00:45.18 | Vulcanis | USD that is |
| 00:45.18 | zerojay | Hey... that reminds me... anyone want to try a quick video chat? |
| 00:45.18 | Vulcanis | well |
| 00:45.18 | Vulcanis | the thing is, if it has a cellphone |
| 00:45.22 | Vulcanis | I'm sure you can get it unlocked |
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| 00:45.28 | Vulcanis | and it probably costs them less just to market it as a cell |
| 00:45.31 | Vulcanis | and mass produce thsoe |
| 00:45.35 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, i'm sure buying direct |
| 00:45.42 | MaceN8x0 | it would be unlocked anyways |
| 00:45.45 | Vulcanis | but I hope carrier plans drop it to sub-200, and that without a carrier its 400 |
| 00:45.54 | Vulcanis | Mace: It better be unlocked with a carrier, too. |
| 00:46.01 | zerojay | Aww... no takers? :/ |
| 00:46.06 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, i doubt it |
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| 00:46.14 | MaceN8x0 | tmob will most likely lock it |
| 00:46.17 | Vulcanis | Mace: I think nokia would push it. |
| 00:46.22 | Vulcanis | because the tablet is all about openness |
| 00:46.24 | MaceN8x0 | no they won't |
| 00:46.26 | zerojay | Vulcanis: Good luck with that. |
| 00:46.26 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 00:46.29 | smackpotato | on a 810 zer... |
| 00:46.40 | MaceN8x0 | they will push making more money off a tmob contract than pushing openess |
| 00:46.51 | MaceN8x0 | nokia is a co.. they are all about making money |
| 00:46.53 | smackpotato | iv'e never done video chat |
| 00:46.54 | Vulcanis | ohhhh awesome, there are n810s for 150! |
| 00:47.03 | MaceN8x0 | the "openness" is just to keep the fan base |
| 00:47.03 | Vulcanis | used ofc. |
| 00:47.05 | zerojay | smackpotato: Sure. You on Google Talk? |
| 00:47.23 | Vulcanis | can;'t skype use the camer atoo? |
| 00:47.25 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, try to find a wimax one |
| 00:47.28 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, nobody wants to talk to a creeper. |
| 00:47.30 | MaceN8x0 | Vulcanis, no |
| 00:47.31 | smackpotato | i havent opened it for months |
| 00:47.35 | Vulcanis | Mace: theres no wimax in connecticut, is there? |
| 00:47.38 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Pfffft. |
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| 00:47.41 | MaceN8x0 | don't think so |
| 00:47.43 | MaceN8x0 | baltimore |
| 00:47.46 | MaceN8x0 | from what i remember |
| 00:47.57 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I think the exit polls reflect that quite well too. lol |
| 00:47.57 | Vulcanis | so why wimax? :( |
| 00:48.04 | MaceN8x0 | last i checkd on amazon people were selling them for like $1000 |
| 00:48.11 | MaceN8x0 | i was just messing with you |
| 00:48.26 | MaceN8x0 | no need really |
| 00:48.55 | MaceN8x0 | wimax seems fail |
| 00:48.55 | smackpotato | ok im on my nick is dochez |
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| 00:49.07 | zerojay | On Gtalk? |
| 00:49.13 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, stupid Talk. |
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| 00:49.50 | smackpotato | ya i think like google chat |
| 00:50.19 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:50.33 | MaceN8x0 | i wish n810 had google vid support |
| 00:50.36 | MaceN8x0 | blah |
| 00:51.19 | zerojay | smackpotato: Hang on a sec. |
| 00:51.23 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: It doesn't? |
| 00:51.41 | MaceN8x0 | pretty sure it doesn't |
| 00:51.49 | smackpotato | do i need a plugin |
| 00:52.00 | zerojay | I don't think so, but we'll find out. |
| 00:52.07 | GeneralAntilles | MaceN8x0, it does. |
| 00:52.17 | MaceN8x0 | google video?? |
| 00:52.19 | GeneralAntilles | It's just that the PC client doesn't support Google's own damn protocol. |
| 00:52.20 | MaceN8x0 | how?? |
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| 00:52.27 | MaceN8x0 | omg haha |
| 00:52.30 | GeneralAntilles | Tablet-to-tablet |
| 00:52.36 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
| 00:52.38 | MaceN8x0 | wtf |
| 00:52.44 | MaceN8x0 | that sucks |
| 00:52.53 | MaceN8x0 | no pc clients that support it? |
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| 00:53.25 | zerojay | Jingle? |
| 00:53.32 | zerojay | I think empathy supports it. |
| 00:53.40 | luke-jr | Jingle changed in the standardization process |
| 00:53.46 | zerojay | Oh, did it? |
| 00:53.49 | luke-jr | Google Talk uses a pre-standard variant |
| 00:53.56 | luke-jr | eg, what Google actually released |
| 00:54.06 | luke-jr | the standards are all incompatible with that |
| 00:54.12 | zerojay | smackpotato: Getting my IMs? |
| 00:54.42 | zerojay | luke-jr: Didn't know about that. Thanks. |
| 00:54.42 | smackpotato | i got a blue led for a sec |
| 00:54.43 | MaceN8x0 | so... can't someone just update |
| 00:54.56 | MaceN8x0 | the diablo chat app to support the new codec? |
| 00:55.00 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 00:55.03 | luke-jr | what new codec? |
| 00:55.08 | luke-jr | it has nothing to do with codecs |
| 00:55.19 | luke-jr | its' GTalk that needs updating of protocol |
| 00:55.24 | luke-jr | and then it would break with older GTalks |
| 00:55.32 | zerojay | smackpotato: Sent authorization. |
| 00:55.41 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
| 00:55.42 | Robot101 | telepathy supports five XMPP calling variants :( |
| 00:55.43 | MaceN8x0 | lame |
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| 00:55.52 | Robot101 | so you can interop with everything |
| 00:56.02 | luke-jr | lol? |
| 00:56.03 | Robot101 | you can even upgrade the N810 to support google video /signalling/ |
| 00:56.17 | zerojay | Robot101: How's Butterfly coming along? |
| 00:56.18 | luke-jr | Robot101: lolwut? |
| 00:56.21 | Robot101 | but its still a codec issue - the N810 only has H263+, and google video only uses H264 |
| 00:56.34 | luke-jr | when can I upgrade the N810 to actually connect to XMPP servers that require TLS? |
| 00:56.45 | MaceN8x0 | never |
| 00:56.54 | smackpotato | ok ive added you |
| 00:56.58 | Robot101 | luke-jr: what happens? just build tp-gabble under the appropriate scratchbox and shove it on... |
| 00:56.59 | MaceN8x0 | luke-jr, cant you in gentoo |
| 00:57.01 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:57.12 | zerojay | smackpotato: Send me a message. |
| 00:57.15 | luke-jr | Robot101: I have no interest in scratchbox stuff |
| 00:57.22 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: yeah, I meant in Maemo tho |
| 00:57.25 | Robot101 | well, don't then. :) |
| 00:57.47 | MaceN8x0 | Robot101, google have any plans to support it ever? |
| 00:57.50 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: the problem is I lack a usable WM for N810 Gentoo |
| 00:57.52 | zerojay | luke-jr: He's saying compile it in scratchbox and move it over to the tablet. |
| 00:57.56 | luke-jr | KWin is too heavy |
| 00:58.05 | MaceN8x0 | so i can use my n810 to use google vid? |
| 00:58.07 | luke-jr | zerojay: and I'm saying I don't want to mess with a scratchbox |
| 00:58.22 | zerojay | luke-jr: Can't say I blame you. lol |
| 00:58.22 | Robot101 | MaceN8x0: no, there's no H264 on the N810 |
| 00:58.26 | MaceN8x0 | luke-jr, use fluxbox :-P |
| 00:58.31 | smackpotato | says your ofline |
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| 00:58.39 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: no. |
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| 00:58.49 | Robot101 | we support gtalk from 2005, which was libjingle 0.3... and gtalk from a couple of years after, which was libjingle 0.4 |
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| 00:58.50 | luke-jr | flood? |
| 00:58.50 | luke-jr | oh |
| 00:58.53 | luke-jr | netsplit |
| 00:58.54 | zerojay | There you are. |
| 00:58.59 | Robot101 | then those people somehow, er, died... |
| 00:59.05 | Robot101 | and then google video is kinda based on libjingle 0.3 again |
| 00:59.06 | MaceN8x0 | Robot101, guessing software codec isnt's an option? |
| 00:59.11 | Robot101 | but with video wedged in |
| 00:59.23 | Robot101 | (google managed to internally fork their own open source project?) |
| 00:59.33 | Robot101 | then we have jingle from 2007 when we added video call to the N800 |
| 00:59.34 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 00:59.36 | Robot101 | and we have current jingle |
| 00:59.42 | MaceN8x0 | wtf |
| 00:59.50 | Robot101 | so, 5 variants |
| 00:59.54 | Robot101 | the jingle code is quite, er, hairy. |
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| 01:00.26 | MaceN8x0 | that sucks, would have been an awesome feature |
| 01:00.28 | Robot101 | MaceN8x0: I doubt it, H264 is more CPU-heavy than H263, and the n810 uses H263 already with some magical expensive hand-optimised codecs |
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| 01:01.03 | luke-jr | Linux really just needs a good video chat client |
| 01:01.13 | MaceN8x0 | and convincing google to use h263 wouldn't be an option either i am guessing |
| 01:01.21 | Robot101 | luke-jr: well, we're working on it |
| 01:01.34 | Robot101 | actually we just appointed a full-time Empathy maintainer starting from October |
| 01:02.12 | luke-jr | but Empathy is GTK+ |
| 01:02.14 | luke-jr | so automatically fails |
| 01:02.28 | Robot101 | ooook... |
| 01:02.31 | MaceN8x0 | Robot101, no way to hybrid an h263 to 264 "converter" |
| 01:02.40 | MaceN8x0 | for compatibility |
| 01:02.43 | Robot101 | MaceN8x0: heh... nice try. don't think so :D |
| 01:02.46 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
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| 01:02.48 | MaceN8x0 | damn |
| 01:02.59 | luke-jr | MaceN8x0: just add 1 to every byte |
| 01:03.07 | luke-jr | so h263 + 1 becomes h264 |
| 01:03.09 | luke-jr | :) |
| 01:03.10 | MaceN8x0 | luke-jr, :K |
| 01:03.16 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 01:03.28 | MaceN8x0 | if only it were that simple |
| 01:03.35 | MaceN8x0 | too bad |
| 01:03.48 | MaceN8x0 | i'm sure n900 will be able to do it |
| 01:03.59 | MaceN8x0 | (i really hope) |
| 01:04.16 | MaceN8x0 | i'd love to use my phone to vid chat with my son on a pc |
| 01:05.05 | zerojay | Not sure if it works or not to a regular Gtalk running on PC. |
| 01:06.29 | zerojay | Could always try. |
| 01:07.05 | MaceN8x0 | or just give him the n810 and keep the n900 and hope they can still t2t |
| 01:07.24 | MaceN8x0 | i guess that would work too |
| 01:07.30 | zerojay | Hmm. |
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| 01:10.36 | Robot101 | the N810 and N900 should be able to call each other |
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| 01:17.44 | zerojay | Robot101: Doesn't. |
| 01:17.54 | zerojay | Robot101: Well... no video anyways. |
| 01:18.27 | zerojay | on gtalk. |
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| 02:14.45 | ShadowJK | lol, that usb thread is huge |
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| 02:19.10 | ShadowJK | and mostly void |
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| 03:06.36 | zerojay | ShadowJK: Holy shit. It's tripled in a few hours. |
| 03:07.14 | ShadowJK | And as a result any content or intelligent thought is drowning in the "me too" :( |
| 03:08.28 | zerojay | Wait... wha... this post makes a ton of sense. |
| 03:08.44 | zerojay | "I'd just like to add that in my view, this whole business about the lack of a OTG/Host mode capability is a big mistake for what is touted as a handheld computer." |
| 03:08.50 | zerojay | okay.. understood, but then.. |
| 03:09.19 | zerojay | "so why does it even need a USB client interface? I've never used that capability on my N800, not even once, unless you count (re)flashing." |
| 03:09.22 | zerojay | Same post... wtf. |
| 03:09.49 | ShadowJK | with client he means gadget |
| 03:10.08 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 03:10.16 | ShadowJK | so he's saying connecting n900 to computer is not needed |
| 03:10.17 | zerojay | even still. |
| 03:10.26 | ShadowJK | but n900 AS computer is needed |
| 03:10.30 | zerojay | I think he's sniffing glue. |
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| 03:11.15 | ShadowJK | I've only once connected tablet to computer for other than flashing, and that was just to see what happens :) |
| 03:11.34 | ShadowJK | 's setup doesn't really work that well with MMCs vanishing |
| 03:11.39 | zerojay | For anyone to say that host mode is something more important than USB charging... you're completely out of touch with the reality of the average user. |
| 03:12.23 | MaceN8x0 | er |
| 03:12.24 | microlith | what about the charging aspect rules out host mode? |
| 03:12.45 | MaceN8x0 | i thought it does host mode |
| 03:13.18 | ShadowJK | microlith: it makes it more complicated. Need circuitry to disconnect the charge regulator from the USB dc bus and connect a voltage boost regulator to it instead to power it |
| 03:13.44 | microlith | ah, basically making it a PITA to send power down the line |
| 03:13.45 | ShadowJK | and software logic to handle it all |
| 03:14.25 | microlith | technically, wouldn't a self-powered device work in that case? |
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| 03:14.52 | ShadowJK | I wonder if the Omap3 bugs would have had to be worked around in software before USB consortium would have approved it |
| 03:15.41 | johnx | hallo all :) |
| 03:15.46 | ShadowJK | microlith: I think on 770 which has no powerout you need to solder a hub/cable to feed power in the upstream direction |
| 03:16.26 | zerojay | I know it's a bummer for those that use host mode and all that, and I sympathize, but the N900's meant more for the mainstream so sometimes these kinds of things have to fall by the wayside if it means simplicity for the end user. |
| 03:17.01 | ShadowJK | I've used host mode on n810, but I've never used OTG. The OTG is definitelynot supported by N900 hardware |
| 03:17.23 | ShadowJK | what otg gives you is automatic detection and switching between client and usb |
| 03:18.38 | ShadowJK | the question still remains unanswered if a kernel can force the usb into host mode, and if the port is electrically compatible with host mode (in other aspects than the power issue) |
| 03:20.11 | zerojay | Can't say I've used that either. |
| 03:20.18 | ShadowJK | Well and first we'd probably want to see the omap bugs worked around :-) |
| 03:20.34 | pupnik | wow, my first vnc over gigabit ethernet. |
| 03:20.36 | ShadowJK | When beagle and touchbook get reliable usb... |
| 03:20.36 | pupnik | likes! |
| 03:21.01 | pupnik | zerojay: you ever hear of freenx for maemo? nxclient/server? |
| 03:21.08 | microlith | ShadowJK: didn't realize omap had bad usb bugs |
| 03:21.17 | zerojay | pupnik: Heard of it, think I tried it once ages ago. |
| 03:21.28 | pupnik | k then i look |
| 03:21.38 | zerojay | Not sure if I tried a Maemo version though. |
| 03:21.58 | zerojay | I do know that nx is supposed to be a very speedy implementation of VNC, if I'm not mistaken. |
| 03:22.08 | pupnik | i had a guy's email in australia that was working on an ARM version in 2003 |
| 03:22.08 | Vulcanis | eh |
| 03:22.11 | Vulcanis | its through ssh or something |
| 03:22.17 | Vulcanis | I don't think its vnc |
| 03:22.32 | johnx | google did something with nx recently ... |
| 03:22.34 | pupnik | NX is not vnc |
| 03:22.36 | johnx | don't remember what though |
| 03:23.03 | bbigras | NX technology is a computer program that handles remote X Window System connections, and attempts to greatly improve on the performance of the native X display protocol to the point that it can be usable over a slow link such as a dial-up modem. It wraps remote connections in SSH sessions for encryption and authentication security. |
| 03:23.09 | bbigras | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NX_technology |
| 03:26.23 | pupnik | oh maybe 2004 |
| 03:26.55 | ShadowJK | nxssh is in extras... |
| 03:27.05 | ShadowJK | dunno if it doed anything useful |
| 03:29.52 | bbigras | It looks like nxssh is a "Modified OpenSSH daemon and client for NX." http://www.nomachine.com/ar/view.php?ar_id=AR11B00074 |
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| 03:32.52 | bbigras | as a reference, OpenBSD has nxcomp, nxssh and opennx (oss client) in it's port tree http://openports.se/x11/nx |
| 03:34.50 | ShadowJK | nxcomp in extras too |
| 03:39.51 | bbigras | It seems opennx run on arm, OpenBSD has a package for it ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages/arm/opennx-0.14p1.tgz . bbl |
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| 04:40.04 | pupnik | Dilbert comic - Stupid Cell-phone Apps: http://ln-s.net/4DaE |
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| 05:02.51 | RST38h | heya pupnik |
| 05:03.46 | RST38h | Where is XFade nowadays? |
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| 05:09.59 | _follower_ | hi, i tried to download Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php but it says the file's not found. the server version seems to be downloading ok. any suggestions? thanks. |
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| 05:12.37 | MaceN8x0 | i am imagining |
| 05:13.56 | MaceN8x0 | shows and movies without cell phones |
| 05:14.03 | RST38h | follower: Bad URL? |
| 05:18.41 | zerojay | MaceN8x0: Impossible! |
| 05:19.15 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
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| 05:20.29 | MaceN8x0 | hahahahaha |
| 05:20.39 | MaceN8x0 | burn notice is so damn funny |
| 05:22.51 | _follower_ | RST38h: the url listed is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=Maemo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip |
| 05:23.15 | pupnik | haven't seen in a long time RST38h |
| 05:23.49 | pupnik | irssi seems to be sometimes not catching nick-hilights - for example the last one from RST38h did not turn the channel colors or beep |
| 05:27.30 | RST38h | Hardcore IRCers use IRCII! :)_ |
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| 05:34.30 | MaceN8x0 | wow |
| 05:34.33 | MaceN8x0 | ircii |
| 05:34.45 | MaceN8x0 | i havent used that since like 92 |
| 05:34.57 | MaceN8x0 | with its l33t scripts |
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| 05:38.47 | pupnik | hmm |
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| 05:43.56 | pupnik | I keep typing ls -lotr instead of ls -ltr (list newest date last) |
| 05:44.35 | liri | anything interesting in the maemo world? :) |
| 05:45.00 | zerojay | No, never. ;) |
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| 06:00.18 | liri | zerojay: seems like that for a long time now :) |
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| 06:22.57 | Khertan | Hi ! |
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| 06:42.04 | pupnik | Away, but within earshot of privmsg beep - mostly |
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| 06:58.23 | _follower_ | oooh, magic, a split version of the desktop image has appeared & the other link has disappeared. :) |
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| 07:34.11 | wazd_n800 | lo all |
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| 07:34.56 | jaem | evening, wazd_n800 |
| 07:35.17 | wazd_n800 | jaem, morrnin') |
| 07:36.05 | jaem | I've decided that doing comp-sci homework on my N810 in VI on the bus is not efficient |
| 07:36.23 | jaem | however, given that I was already on the bus when I remembered that my laptop didn't have an OS installed... |
| 07:36.27 | jaem | -shrug- |
| 07:37.03 | jaem | wazd_n800: you should release the TI-84+ Hello Kitty skin as an easter egg :P |
| 07:38.29 | wazd_n800 | jaem, well, that's not me who releases, that's RST38h |
| 07:38.48 | jaem | right |
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| 07:39.03 | wazd_n800 | jaem, ti84+ is still not working anyway |
| 07:39.07 | jaem | oh? |
| 07:42.10 | wazd_n800 | jaem, better ask RST38h for details) |
| 07:42.40 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 07:43.09 | RST38h | Who disturbed me in my crypt? Are they crunchy? |
| 07:43.23 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya |
| 07:43.32 | RST38h | hey |
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| 07:46.14 | jaem | RST38h: me, and no |
| 07:46.15 | timeless | err voting lasts for only one week; while i'm on vacation. |
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| 07:53.36 | mavhc | if you're doing comp-sci you shouldn't need an OS, that's for the engineering students |
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| 07:56.50 | jaem | mavhc: I'm doing Computer Engineering |
| 07:56.59 | jaem | so I need an OS, but I don't have one ;) |
| 07:57.00 | woglinde | lol |
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| 07:59.06 | jaem | actually, it was just a government-loaned junker laptop, and I partway through installing Arch (after formatting Ubuntu+WinXP), I realized that the ethernet jack was borken |
| 07:59.14 | jaem | and i didn't feel like messing with wpa_supplicant |
| 07:59.16 | jaem | so I just left it |
| 08:00.12 | woglinde | wpa_supplicant is fairly easy |
| 08:00.22 | jaem | woglinde: yes, but I don't like it |
| 08:00.25 | jaem | and I've barely used it |
| 08:00.32 | woglinde | you dont like wpa? |
| 08:00.42 | jaem | I don't like the cli supplicant |
| 08:01.06 | woglinde | hm I used if/up-down |
| 08:01.16 | woglinde | and guessnet |
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| 08:02.08 | jaem | ah |
| 08:02.12 | jaem | sigh... g'night everyone |
| 08:02.16 | woglinde | *g* |
| 08:02.19 | woglinde | sleep well |
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| 08:35.51 | RST38h | "Afghanistan could be lost in a year: US commander" |
| 08:36.11 | RST38h | (can you do it faster and move on already? =)) |
| 08:36.48 | woglinde | rst *g* faster then russia |
| 08:38.36 | RST38h | Well, they are currently getting dangerously close to Russian record |
| 08:38.53 | RST38h | And we know what followed for Russia... |
| 08:40.34 | pupnik | The British also decided it wasn't worth the trouble |
| 08:40.57 | RST38h | pupnik: British fucked up first and preferred short military incursions afterwards |
| 08:41.20 | RST38h | At least they learned their lesson |
| 08:41.24 | pupnik | how about a #maemo-pub for this stuff |
| 08:41.52 | woglinde | *g* |
| 08:41.55 | RST38h | Ah, it is just a generic filler for the silence :) |
| 08:42.14 | pupnik | yeah i am a bit weary of channel forking |
| 08:44.05 | timeless | your generic filler costs me valuable gprs data bits |
| 08:44.58 | Stskeeps | how's travel so far? :P |
| 08:45.01 | RST38h | disconnect then. |
| 08:45.47 | woglinde | timeless buy a flatrate |
| 08:46.03 | timeless | not bad, i got hijacked from kiev to uman for the weekend. but i spent the night here in kiev |
| 08:46.08 | timeless | i'll try to tour today and find some trains from here to krakow for tonight |
| 08:46.55 | timeless | woglinde: i got an employer to offer the subscription, so it shouldn |
| 08:46.55 | timeless | t be bad |
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| 08:46.59 | pupnik | "krakow! krakow!" - Calvin |
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| 08:57.26 | timeless | arg the font setting in x terminal is global. not per window |
| 09:00.03 | GAN800 | timeless. we decided to disenfranchise IE7 users and you for this election. :P |
| 09:00.28 | lcuk | mornin folks \o |
| 09:00.46 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 09:01.22 | lcuk | hey woglinde |
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| 09:08.04 | timeless | oh goody |
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| 09:22.13 | pupnik | still surprised i haven't seen more of nx / freeNX :| |
| 09:22.23 | woglinde | pupnik? |
| 09:23.10 | pupnik | i'm afraid i can't construct a question out of a question mark |
| 09:23.21 | pupnik | :) |
| 09:23.50 | pupnik | if i could do that, i'd have a helluva patent on file compression :D |
| 09:24.12 | woglinde | pupnik I worked a lot with nx |
| 09:24.15 | woglinde | thats why I asked |
| 09:24.51 | pupnik | you have a client and/or server for tablet? |
| 09:25.20 | pupnik | i feel like rip van winkle |
| 09:26.16 | pupnik | ahh qtnx? |
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| 09:27.07 | pupnik | ah here's one http://austinche.name/maemo/index.html http://austinche.name/maemo/bora/nxclient-armel.tar.gz |
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| 09:27.23 | woglinde | pupnik lol |
| 09:27.32 | woglinde | extras-devel |
| 09:27.34 | woglinde | qtnx |
| 09:27.37 | woglinde | thats what I did |
| 09:27.51 | woglinde | unfornatly softkeys dont work |
| 09:27.55 | woglinde | aeh softkeyboard |
| 09:28.03 | pupnik | that is really really great :) |
| 09:28.07 | pupnik | thank you |
| 09:28.26 | woglinde | thats why I asked |
| 09:28.28 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 09:28.59 | woglinde | I think I should update it |
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| 09:31.01 | pupnik | can you suggest a 'how to not cock-up a nx server install on debian or similar' guide? |
| 09:31.11 | woglinde | hm? |
| 09:31.30 | pupnik | heh i just recall something being a pain last time i used it |
| 09:32.00 | pupnik | wantcontrol pc from tablet - nx is fastest game in town right? |
| 09:32.03 | pupnik | how much better than vnc? |
| 09:32.13 | woglinde | depends |
| 09:32.20 | woglinde | nx is better over inet |
| 09:32.26 | woglinde | because of the roundtrips |
| 09:32.32 | woglinde | we hade it work over gsm |
| 09:32.35 | woglinde | and utms |
| 09:32.40 | pupnik | my local wlan transfers top around 70KB/s |
| 09:33.30 | pupnik | nx has to be better for moving around windows and x terminals |
| 09:33.46 | woglinde | do you have n810? |
| 09:33.49 | pupnik | yes |
| 09:33.53 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 09:34.17 | woglinde | russian layout? |
| 09:34.27 | pupnik | no |
| 09:34.36 | pupnik | german |
| 09:34.37 | woglinde | hm some keys might not work |
| 09:34.39 | woglinde | ah |
| 09:34.41 | woglinde | lol |
| 09:34.51 | woglinde | because of evdev stuff |
| 09:34.59 | woglinde | umlauts for instance |
| 09:37.19 | pupnik | ok |
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| 09:37.47 | pupnik | google only shows me that evdev seems to be xorg keyboard handling thing |
| 09:38.30 | woglinde | yeah nokia used evdev before the major distros switched to it |
| 09:39.21 | Meiz_n810 | feels stupid.. |
| 09:41.01 | woglinde | meiz why? |
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| 09:48.31 | Khertan | Aye ! |
| 09:49.11 | Meiz_n810 | i'm making myself a conplete idiot by typing useless messages aroud all kind of forums and irc channels... :( |
| 09:49.11 | pupnik | wants safe implants for neural-stimulated vr |
| 09:49.21 | pupnik | and then a brain in a vat of nutriflex |
| 09:50.28 | pupnik | they can engineer these little lung-fronds that will absorb a premix diet of sugars and whatever else good stuff is in blood |
| 09:51.00 | pupnik | 'hey joe. nice lookin' fronds' |
| 09:51.44 | SpeedEvil | I want glucose powered battery charger. |
| 09:52.06 | SpeedEvil | You put mobile phone in pocket, and it auto-charges from the glucose powered charger. |
| 09:52.07 | pupnik | bleed local cattle to power your laptop :? |
| 09:52.10 | SpeedEvil | Plus - free diet! |
| 09:52.16 | pupnik | oh |
| 09:52.25 | pupnik | i was thinking of a vampiretop |
| 09:52.29 | pupnik | needs fresh blood |
| 09:53.27 | woglinde | ah |
| 09:53.28 | woglinde | okay |
| 09:53.32 | woglinde | 2.4 is out even |
| 09:53.32 | RST38h | BLOOD. |
| 09:53.36 | woglinde | upos |
| 09:53.37 | woglinde | sorry |
| 09:53.39 | RST38h | Thicker than water. |
| 09:53.43 | RST38h | And much tastier. |
| 09:54.02 | pupnik | i can test i think |
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| 09:59.40 | Robot101 | hhhhh |
| 09:59.48 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:00.23 | woglinde | hi jaffa |
| 10:02.38 | pupnik | hmm i get 'incompatible package' on the .install from gronmayer / os2008 |
| 10:02.47 | Proteous | man, try to do one simple thing and it all explodes and you find yourself editing syslog-ng configs at 3am |
| 10:02.47 | pupnik | i'll try adding extras manually |
| 10:03.00 | pupnik | extras-devel |
| 10:03.05 | RST38h | moo Jaffa |
| 10:03.25 | lcuk | mornin council member jaffa |
| 10:04.26 | Khertan | lcuk: slurp ... |
| 10:04.38 | Khertan | Hi lcuk :) |
| 10:04.41 | Khertan | hi everybody ! |
| 10:04.46 | lcuk | heh hiya Khertan \o |
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| 10:08.28 | GeneralAntilles | fires off the first candidate interrogation sheet. |
| 10:09.03 | woglinde | hi khertan |
| 10:09.10 | Khertan | hi woglinde |
| 10:09.41 | Khertan | is trying pluthon |
| 10:09.42 | Khertan | :) |
| 10:11.28 | Khertan | To install host-pc-connectivity on a windows XP or Vista system, you should first install Cygwin. |
| 10:11.34 | Khertan | ouch ... ok ... |
| 10:11.43 | Khertan | try finished |
| 10:11.44 | Khertan | ! |
| 10:12.25 | pupnik | finished what Khertan ? |
| 10:12.46 | Khertan | i m trying pluthon ... |
| 10:13.14 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: I was going to do one, sending it direct to them and CCing maemo-community. |
| 10:13.17 | Khertan | read that it s wonderfull ... connection with the device ... blablabla ... also on windows ... blabla ... require cygwin :) |
| 10:13.21 | pupnik | would you like to tell me something about pluthon, Khertan ? |
| 10:13.22 | Khertan | so not for me ... |
| 10:13.32 | Khertan | you are one of the maintainer |
| 10:13.33 | Khertan | ? |
| 10:13.37 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, hopefully they're all subscribed. ;) |
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| 10:13.48 | pupnik | no |
| 10:13.57 | pupnik | i forgot to preface that with |
| 10:14.02 | pupnik | "i know nothing about pluthon" |
| 10:14.06 | pupnik | :) |
| 10:14.09 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Indeed. I was also going to say "I'll write your responses up and publish a blog post about it on Wednesday evening" |
| 10:14.22 | Khertan | it s a project of a ide for "python for maemo" |
| 10:14.37 | pupnik | ahaa ty |
| 10:14.39 | Khertan | but it s based on eclipse |
| 10:14.43 | pupnik | yuikes |
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| 10:14.50 | Khertan | require cigwin for connectivity on windows |
| 10:14.57 | Khertan | so clearly not for me |
| 10:15.20 | Khertan | http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html |
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| 10:19.03 | pupnik | brr freenx broken |
| 10:19.35 | GeneralAntilles | That NetWalker is absolute perfection for Mer. |
| 10:19.56 | woglinde | pupnik hm? |
| 10:20.11 | woglinde | pupnik install the ubuntu ppa packages |
| 10:20.15 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.18 | woglinde | works even on debian |
| 10:20.27 | pupnik | k |
| 10:20.38 | pupnik | just google ubuntu ppa? |
| 10:20.49 | pupnik | ahh |
| 10:20.54 | woglinde | ubuntu freenx ppa |
| 10:21.21 | pupnik | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas?name_filter=freenx don't see it |
| 10:21.29 | pupnik | rather, 7 results |
| 10:21.45 | pupnik | marcelo or ppa for freenx team? |
| 10:22.07 | woglinde | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/freenx-team/ubuntu intrepid main |
| 10:22.23 | pupnik | k ty |
| 10:24.49 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: oh yep nice device |
| 10:26.07 | pupnik | very grateful for that link |
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| 10:30.28 | Khertan | uh ? the palm pixi ... never heard of it ... |
| 10:30.29 | Khertan | :) |
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| 10:35.04 | pupnik | none of the howtos apply to the debian version |
| 10:35.29 | pupnik | Sep 22 12:24:26 peppi useradd[17778]: new user: name=nx, UID=110, GID=120, home=/var/lib/nxserver/home/, shell=/usr/bin/nxserver |
| 10:36.10 | pupnik | then 15 seconds later, |
| 10:36.31 | pupnik | Sep 22 12:29:41 peppi sudo: root : TTY=pts/0 ; PWD=/home/pupnik ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/etc/init.d/ssh restar |
| 10:36.59 | pupnik | spelunks |
| 10:38.59 | RST38h | Gentlemen, has anyone played with PulseAudio? |
| 10:39.07 | RST38h | Does it have some limit on the number of clients? |
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| 10:51.31 | akshay | Hi ! Can we use poppler with Qt on maemo 4 ? |
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| 10:58.07 | wazd | konttori_: hello again, are you tired already of my questions? :D |
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| 11:12.54 | wazd | My chances to avoid Army sky-rocketed today |
| 11:13.10 | wazd | I should be drunk now actually :D |
| 11:13.24 | inz | The infamous russian army? |
| 11:13.29 | konttori_ | wazd, ? |
| 11:13.32 | wazd | inz: yeah-yeah :) |
| 11:13.42 | inz | wazd, then you should not only be drunk, you should be wasted |
| 11:13.43 | wazd | konttori_: Another quick template question |
| 11:13.45 | SpeedEvil | wazd: They discovered you are a diseased drunkard with one leg, and a squint? |
| 11:14.07 | wazd | konttori_: what's positive/negative slider? |
| 11:14.10 | GAN800 | wazd, mean you can come to the Summit? |
| 11:14.14 | SpeedEvil | realises he should probably learn python or perl. |
| 11:14.31 | wazd | GAN800: impossible to make papers that fast, next year 100% :) |
| 11:15.41 | wazd | GAN800: I don't even have international passport |
| 11:15.42 | GAN800 | Ah, too bad. |
| 11:15.48 | GAN800 | Congrats, though. |
| 11:15.50 | wazd | GAN800: not to mention visa and stuff |
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| 11:16.11 | konttori_ | wazd, I'll find out |
| 11:16.18 | wazd | konttori_: thx a lot |
| 11:19.19 | wazd | I'm not drunk and wasted cause I'm ill :( |
| 11:20.18 | RST38h | H1N1! |
| 11:20.38 | RST38h | wazd: You can still get the passport |
| 11:20.46 | RST38h | Visa is a different business though |
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| 11:23.47 | inz | SpeedEvil, you don't learn perl, you start living perl |
| 11:24.33 | SpeedEvil | inz: :) |
| 11:24.50 | SpeedEvil | I just realised awk is probably not going to cut it for this. |
| 11:25.12 | SpeedEvil | http compressor. You can write hash functions in awk - but they aren't fast. |
| 11:25.23 | wazd | RST38h: well, I can make passport in one day :) |
| 11:25.28 | RST38h | perl isn't exactly speedy either |
| 11:25.32 | wazd | RST38h: theoretically :) |
| 11:25.40 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, but that will cost you ~$500 |
| 11:25.41 | inz | RST, faster than gawk |
| 11:26.07 | RST38h | wazd: If you can in fact do this, you have got just enough time to get the visa |
| 11:26.58 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: no - but you can use md5 libraries which aren't horribly slow. |
| 11:27.16 | RST38h | true |
| 11:27.34 | Jaffa | X-Fade_: ping |
| 11:27.58 | X-Fade | Jaffa: pong |
| 11:28.03 | RST38h | Ah! Live X-Fade! |
| 11:28.34 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I've posted an email to maemo-community which is held because of "too many recipients" for moderator approval. Could you help along, pleasE? |
| 11:29.18 | wazd | RST38h: I gave my slot to Max anyway, so c'est la vi :) |
| 11:29.52 | RST38h | wazd: Let us vote to move the next summit somewhere more open |
| 11:29.57 | RST38h | wazd: Can I suggest Cuba? =) |
| 11:30.26 | wazd | RST38h: some carribean island :) |
| 11:30.39 | RST38h | wazd: Cuba is better ;) |
| 11:31.21 | RST38h | wazd: 'cause every single US visitor will have to fly undercover through Canada |
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| 11:34.21 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Why did you use an unsubscribed email? |
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| 11:35.12 | wazd | quick poll - what to do with thin scrollbars - hide them like I did in titan or make them ordinary? |
| 11:35.46 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I didn't. It's held because of "too many recipients". |
| 11:36.00 | X-Fade | Jaffa: No, your gmail isn't subscribed to the list. |
| 11:36.08 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The bleb one is. |
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| 11:37.03 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Hmm, it should have been sent with the bleb one. |
| 11:37.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: And the message suggests it's because I sent it to the 9 council candidates and cc'ed the list (I've seen that before) |
| 11:38.07 | Jaffa | X-Fade: The "From" here says bleb.org (although the envelope will say gmail cos of the silliness of the way gmail works) |
| 11:42.12 | frals | god i dislike when people change the font in their posts on t.m.o >_< |
| 11:42.59 | aquatix | wonders why it's even possible to do so |
| 11:43.02 | RST38h | wazd: turn them into handles? |
| 11:45.33 | wazd | RST38h: well, not in this theme :) |
| 11:45.50 | wazd | RST38h: but steampunk theme would be cool :) |
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| 11:48.37 | Stskeeps | wazd: ping |
| 11:49.05 | wazd | Stskeeps: yessir :) |
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| 12:09.41 | The_Tall1 | Hi there I want to install the qt-maemo-example but libglib2.12.12-1osso10 and freetype6-2.3.5 are missing. Where can I find them to install them manually? |
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| 12:14.22 | lardman | "morning" |
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| 12:17.22 | lardman | strange why a company won't provide source code when their comms is done over a plain serial cable |
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| 12:19.37 | lardman | the wonders of portmon |
| 12:20.34 | timeless | lardman, who is this? |
| 12:20.50 | lardman | oh some laser manufacturer |
| 12:21.26 | X-Fade | lardman: Wouldn't be the first time I had to trace the line protocol ;) |
| 12:21.27 | woglinde | re |
| 12:22.18 | lardman | X-Fade: yeah |
| 12:22.20 | RST38h | lardman: Give suits sense of security |
| 12:22.47 | lardman | I seem to spend inordinate amounts of time reverse engineering protocols and file formats so I can actually do what I want with the hw/data |
| 12:22.59 | lardman | but it's interesting at least :) |
| 12:23.49 | pupnik | bah healthy young men should be outside on a nice sept day like this |
| 12:23.59 | lardman | I was, I walked to work |
| 12:24.08 | lardman | chilly & overcast here though |
| 12:24.15 | lardman | ah, I missed the young bit ;) |
| 12:24.30 | pupnik | yeah ... doing manual labor for little pay |
| 12:24.33 | X-Fade | lardman: You're not in the old farts club yet :) |
| 12:24.37 | pupnik | everybody wants shortcuts nowadyas |
| 12:25.01 | lardman | X-Fade: yay! tell that to my joints after some exercise |
| 12:25.08 | lcuk | there is no shortcut to hardwork :P |
| 12:25.26 | Razumihin | I hope that i some day have my own garage so i don't have to be on the outside at all when i go to work! :) |
| 12:25.29 | lcuk | pupnik, one thing - at the summit, remind me not to go walking again ;) |
| 12:25.32 | lardman | not even asking on -developers? ;) |
| 12:25.46 | lardman | lcuk: less walking, more drinking time |
| 12:25.58 | lcuk | and coding hacking hopefully |
| 12:26.09 | lcuk | tho i dont know how ill cope without my windows desktop lol |
| 12:26.26 | pupnik | bbl outside |
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| 12:26.50 | lcuk | n900 has no aversion to the sunlight |
| 12:26.52 | lcuk | you can irc and chat still even in the sun! |
| 12:27.05 | RST38h | you have got xchat running? |
| 12:28.00 | timeless | . oh awesome. i don't think the mail client handles :'s in attachment names well. too bad attachments tend to be replies and forwards |
| 12:28.12 | timeless | oops wrong window |
| 12:28.50 | Myrtti | oh christ |
| 12:29.01 | Myrtti | the mailing list just vomited into my inbox |
| 12:29.50 | RST38h | what was in its food? |
| 12:30.53 | lbt | carrots of course |
| 12:31.08 | aquatix | and corn |
| 12:32.48 | RST38h | and little newbie users asking how to use tar? =) |
| 12:33.01 | lardman | on which list? |
| 12:33.14 | lardman | perhaps we should have an invite only -developers list ;) |
| 12:33.25 | RST38h | and call it -elite |
| 12:33.42 | RST38h | then start creating -super-elite, -mega-elite, etc |
| 12:33.47 | woglinde | *g* |
| 12:33.50 | lardman | :D |
| 12:33.57 | aquatix | nah, the n00bs won't even be able to spell "elite" |
| 12:34.04 | RST38h | Will get more difficult once you reach -gods of course |
| 12:34.08 | aquatix | they're stuk with "1337" |
| 12:34.19 | lardman | maemo-users is less typing than maemo-developers, true |
| 12:34.26 | aquatix | RST38h: "small gods", .. |
| 12:34.43 | lardman | I think the Romans had tiered gods didn't they? |
| 12:35.03 | aquatix | yeah, or at least lesser important ones and such |
| 12:35.06 | RST38h | more or less, although it was a bit more complicated |
| 12:35.11 | lardman | maemo-developers-extra-special-very-great-gods-zeus |
| 12:35.12 | aquatix | and house gods and such |
| 12:35.26 | RST38h | maemo-cthulhu-worshippers |
| 12:36.28 | lardman | sounds like a sacrifice is needed |
| 12:36.34 | RST38h | obviously |
| 12:36.49 | RST38h | and not a lame rabbit or a cat! |
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| 12:37.36 | lardman | that's a pretty cool deity, like the face tentacles |
| 12:39.26 | lardman | lol @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cthulhufish.jpg |
| 12:40.00 | RST38h | lardman: Have you seen my favorite pic "Cthulhu explains the necessity of dpad to Nokia engineers"? |
| 12:40.06 | lardman | no? |
| 12:41.08 | lardman | do you have a link? |
| 12:41.32 | RST38h | a moment |
| 12:42.05 | RST38h | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/absurdopedia/images/thumb/8/8b/Wageslave_large.jpg/508px-Wageslave_large.jpg |
| 12:42.14 | lardman | Cthulhu vs. FSM, both tentalcy, I wonder who would win |
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| 12:42.33 | lardman | :) |
| 12:43.16 | RST38h | (alternative name: "The Tentacled One visits Modest development team") |
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| 12:44.34 | Myrtti | ah, that would explain it |
| 12:44.36 | Myrtti | "Heads-up just to say that I went throughh the maemo-community moderation |
| 12:44.36 | Myrtti | queue a second ago, thus the flood of old emails." |
| 12:45.13 | lardman | I didn't realise it was a moderated list |
| 12:46.37 | X-Fade | Only if size > X or other weirdness. |
| 12:46.44 | lardman | ah ok |
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| 13:04.57 | Robin_Watts | Hi all. Seeking a sanity check, from those who speak NEON, please. |
| 13:05.04 | Robin_Watts | If Q0 is full of S16's = 0xFFFE (so Q0=0xFFFEFFFEFFFEFFFEFFFEFFFEFFFEFFFE), and I do VQMOVUN.S16 D0,Q0 - what should D0 become ? |
| 13:05.38 | RST38h | FFFFFFFE? |
| 13:05.46 | RST38h | 0000FFFE? |
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| 13:06.58 | Robin_Watts | VQMOVUN.S16 means (I believe), move the signed 16 bit things, into 8 bit unsigned saturated things. |
| 13:07.13 | RST38h | facepalms |
| 13:07.34 | Robin_Watts | So the signed value FFFE should be saturated into the 0...255 region, hence I should get 0's. |
| 13:07.43 | RST38h | At least it is nice to see that you have made neon assembler work |
| 13:07.43 | Robin_Watts | At least, that's my reading of it. |
| 13:07.50 | Robin_Watts | qemu disagrees with me. |
| 13:08.08 | RST38h | qemu is not an absolute authority |
| 13:08.14 | RST38h | but let me see for a second |
| 13:08.31 | Robin_Watts | Yes, it's all working very well now (except for this problem). Thanks for your help with that. |
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| 13:10.49 | RST38h | Robin: it will copy 4xS16 values into 4xU8 values with saturation |
| 13:10.55 | Vulcanis | so... /usr/lib shouldn't be 141mb, should it? |
| 13:11.12 | Vulcanis | 163 now... its still going |
| 13:11.29 | Robin_Watts | OK. So if the S16 value is 0xFFFE, the U8 value will be .... |
| 13:11.46 | Vulcanis | fsck it, I;'m just going to reformat the tablet. |
| 13:12.11 | RST38h | Robin: Ok what Qemu returns? |
| 13:12.13 | Robin_Watts | qemu says ff. |
| 13:12.30 | RST38h | in all four slots? |
| 13:12.39 | lcuk | and hwat happens if you plumb 01ff in |
| 13:12.43 | lcuk | what |
| 13:12.45 | Robin_Watts | yes. |
| 13:13.05 | RST38h | The source is -2... |
| 13:13.16 | Robin_Watts | I think qemu is doing the same for VQMOVUN.S16 and VQMOVN.U16 |
| 13:13.29 | RST38h | Maybe. Let me check something else. |
| 13:13.43 | Robin_Watts | but I'd like that confirmed by someone who has more of a clue than me :) |
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| 13:14.15 | suihkulokki | Robin_Watts: you should mail the qemu-devel mailing list |
| 13:14.43 | Robin_Watts | My qemu is 2 years old, so it may well have been fixed. |
| 13:14.51 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:15.06 | Robin_Watts | I should hopefully have a beagleboard arriving in a few days, so I can try it on real hardware then, but... |
| 13:15.20 | X-Fade | Robin_Watts: https://git.maemo.org/projects/gitweb?p=qemu;a=summary |
| 13:15.35 | woglinde | Robin_Watts hm wasnt beagleboards sold out? |
| 13:15.36 | suihkulokki | Robin_Watts: why are you not using git snapshot or the maemo qemu ? |
| 13:15.39 | X-Fade | Robin_Watts: That is the repository for the one Nokia is using. |
| 13:16.07 | Robin_Watts | woglinde: I'm borrowing one. |
| 13:16.29 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:16.30 | woglinde | okay |
| 13:16.35 | Robin_Watts | I'm using the latest maemo Virtual Image, updated with the latest toolset it can take. |
| 13:16.56 | X-Fade | Robin_Watts: The one released today? |
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| 13:17.04 | Robin_Watts | no... |
| 13:17.18 | suihkulokki | X-Fade, Robin_Watts, fwiw the new-master branch there is the current one |
| 13:17.49 | woglinde | yeah |
| 13:18.03 | woglinde | http://www.igep-platform.com/shop |
| 13:19.00 | Robin_Watts | woglinde: Supposedly digi-key has 589 beagleboards in stock. |
| 13:19.31 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:19.44 | woglinde | last time they were sold out |
| 13:19.51 | woglinde | but the igep is better anyway |
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| 13:20.07 | woglinde | fuck |
| 13:20.10 | woglinde | sold out |
| 13:20.13 | woglinde | hms |
| 13:20.20 | Robin_Watts | why is it better? |
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| 13:21.00 | woglinde | more ram more flash ethernet bt/wireless |
| 13:21.14 | woglinde | only 50 bugs more |
| 13:21.39 | woglinde | and now I am to late |
| 13:22.25 | RST38h | Robin: Check ARM docs on saturated math, i cannot find them myself |
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| 13:22.36 | woglinde | hi qwerty |
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| 13:22.40 | RST38h | Robin: You want to find out what the LOWER sat boundary is |
| 13:22.48 | qwerty12 | Hi, woglinde, how's it going? |
| 13:23.36 | woglinde | qwerty12 igep board is sold out |
| 13:24.06 | qwerty12 | Ah :( |
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| 13:24.23 | woglinde | I looked every day |
| 13:24.28 | woglinde | and now I am to late |
| 13:24.56 | qwerty12 | Is it the best one available on the market/for your needs? |
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| 13:25.15 | woglinde | I love the spains |
| 13:25.24 | Robin_Watts | RST38h: "VQMOVUN (Vector Saturating Move and Narrow, signed operand with unsigned result) copies each element of the operand vector to the corresponding element of the destination vector. The result element is half the width of the operand element, and values are saturated to the result width." |
| 13:25.26 | GeneralAntilles | Time warp on -community |
| 13:25.28 | woglinde | germany in the shipping table is under alemania |
| 13:27.05 | Myrtti | at_gnutiken: :-( little irc gnomes that put bits into the network cry |
| 13:27.52 | RST38h | Robin: I have seen this one. The question is what "saturated" means |
| 13:28.03 | RST38h | Robin: What is the bottom bound |
| 13:28.09 | RST38h | 0? |
| 13:28.11 | Robin_Watts | for unsigned 0. |
| 13:28.20 | RST38h | for signed? |
| 13:28.36 | Robin_Watts | -(2^(n-1)) |
| 13:28.52 | pupnik_ | wwwow i understood that |
| 13:29.01 | Robin_Watts | signed is -128 to 127. unsigned is 0 to 255 |
| 13:29.15 | RST38h | So -2 must map to -2 or to 0 if unsigned |
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| 13:29.38 | Robin_Watts | qemu returns ff :) |
| 13:30.06 | SpeedEvil | saturating means limiting to the range of the datatype |
| 13:30.11 | konttori_ | wazd, ping |
| 13:30.15 | konttori_ | wazd, The |
| 13:30.15 | konttori_ | negative/positive slider is a slider that goes in both directions, so |
| 13:30.15 | konttori_ | instead of being filled from the left, the theme only draws a marker |
| 13:30.15 | konttori_ | in the center. This can be observed in the image viewer when adjusting |
| 13:30.15 | konttori_ | brightness for example. |
| 13:30.21 | konttori_ | wazd, The control bar I believe is the bar that consists of a bunch of |
| 13:30.22 | konttori_ | buttons, like the brightness selection of the screen. |
| 13:30.29 | SpeedEvil | so 34*43 = ff - if it's saturated to an 8 bit unsigned datatype |
| 13:30.30 | woglinde | konttori_ bahahahaaa |
| 13:31.11 | konttori_ | ? |
| 13:31.26 | wazd | konttori_: oh, great, thanks a lot! |
| 13:31.42 | woglinde | konttori_ 8 line paste |
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| 13:32.49 | Khertan | Is there an easy way to make usb network throught a windows xp on diablo ? |
| 13:33.20 | woglinde | hm no |
| 13:33.49 | Khertan | as everythings is try fail |
| 13:34.03 | Khertan | insmod g_ether doesn't seems to work |
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| 13:34.25 | wazd | konttori_: my theme .psd already weights 90 Mb :) |
| 13:34.31 | Khertan | maemo pc connectivity project require a patched kernel |
| 13:35.07 | RST38h | wazd: I bet it saves undos =) |
| 13:35.20 | qwerty12 | Khertan: That patched kernel, if you're using USBnet with Windows, is required regardless of the method you're using to set it up :) |
| 13:35.20 | wazd | RST38h: nope) |
| 13:35.27 | wazd | RST38h: just a lot of layers |
| 13:35.34 | Khertan | qwerty12: ;( |
| 13:35.47 | wazd | RST38h: a *lot* :D |
| 13:35.47 | RST38h | ah |
| 13:35.56 | RST38h | more than pixels? =) |
| 13:36.05 | Khertan | so this explain why g_ether doesn't seems to work |
| 13:36.14 | wazd | RST38h: no, but I'm working on it :) |
| 13:36.37 | RST38h | suggests adding a brainstorm idea "make scrollable lists backgrounds skinnable" |
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| 13:45.57 | konttori_ | wazd, nice! |
| 13:46.17 | konttori_ | lemme see it at some point, will you? |
| 13:46.59 | wazd | konttori_: I can send you .png so you can build package and check it on device :P |
| 13:47.34 | konttori_ | would be great. I'm going to be busy today, but tomorrow I could test it out. |
| 13:47.42 | wazd | konttori_: cool |
| 13:47.43 | konttori_ | I can make a quick video for you then as well |
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| 13:48.05 | wazd | konttori_: oh, that would be super awesome :) |
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| 13:48.36 | wazd | konttori_: and some screenshots if possible, so others will se what I'm doing :) |
| 13:48.43 | suihkulokki | X-Fade: filed as #5174 |
| 13:48.51 | konttori_ | wazd, sure, some shots as well |
| 13:50.01 | X-Fade | suihkulokki: I'll ping Ferenc about it. |
| 13:51.21 | lardman | lcuk: am firing up VB |
| 13:51.53 | lcuk | c4 or conventional explosives? |
| 13:52.27 | lardman | hopefully my exposure will be short |
| 13:52.48 | lardman | but just incase I get sucked in, I've got dynamite strapped to my chest |
| 13:53.08 | lardman | should push me far enough away from the PC to escape its grasp |
| 13:53.11 | lardman | ;) |
| 13:53.45 | lcuk | haha |
| 13:54.13 | lardman | oops, but those are keywords, the feds will be round soon |
| 13:54.19 | lardman | s/but/bet |
| 13:54.48 | X-Fade | lardman: That's cool. About the only helicopter I don't own is a black one. |
| 13:55.06 | wazd | anybody has a shot with breadcrumb trail? |
| 13:55.14 | lardman | what, see if I can steal it while they're looking for the chap in a headscarf ;) |
| 13:55.18 | wazd | To check how it looks |
| 13:55.48 | X-Fade | lol, helicopter flies over now. |
| 13:55.52 | qwerty12 | wazd: HildonBreadCrumbTrail is deprecated and HildonStackableWindow takes its place |
| 13:55.59 | qwerty12 | In Fremantle, anyway |
| 13:56.06 | lardman | lol |
| 13:56.13 | wazd | qwerty12: well, it's in the theme anyway :) |
| 13:56.21 | qwerty12 | Ah :) |
| 13:56.21 | X-Fade | lardman: Chinook, so not to worry. |
| 13:56.40 | lardman | get more people in one of those |
| 13:56.43 | qwerty12 | wazd: Well, you get to stick a large notice: "You shouldn't be using this! Boo!" :) |
| 13:56.43 | wazd | qwerty12: And mommy told me not to talk to evil people)) |
| 13:56.55 | lardman | or perhaps they read my nick and thought they'd need the heavy lifting capacity ;) |
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| 13:57.25 | qwerty12 | lardman: I can get you heavy, heavy duty cranes if you need them in Amsterdam to get around |
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| 13:57.44 | lardman | oi, not so rude sonny |
| 13:57.59 | pupnik_ | do they slingshot you from crane to crane? |
| 13:58.07 | lardman | I am flying through Luton, so might bring an extra case for you |
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| 14:01.57 | wazd | qwerty12: I can make it invisible though :) |
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| 14:02.04 | lardman | apologises for his non PC comments |
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| 14:12.01 | javispedro | moo |
| 14:12.17 | javispedro | so, how are the candidates today? |
| 14:12.39 | qwerty12 | They're waiting to be bribed ;) |
| 14:13.28 | javispedro | flips a coin |
| 14:13.43 | qwerty12 | Bribing lcuk is easy: send him a Queen's English Dictionary |
| 14:13.58 | qwerty12 | (and some cigarettes with bacon) |
| 14:14.04 | javispedro | tails. so "trying to make diablo's modest actually free some cache space" is today's itch to scratch then. |
| 14:14.17 | qwerty12 | ~coin |
| 14:14.34 | infobot | methinks coin is flipped... heads or tails? |
| 14:14.34 | qwerty12 | ~flip |
| 14:14.35 | infobot | ACTION flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! |
| 14:14.35 | javispedro | ~smash |
| 14:14.36 | javispedro | ~bribe |
| 14:14.37 | lardman | qwerty12: not sure he'll appreciate a southern dict |
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| 14:14.37 | qwerty12 | The bastard has a module for this somewhere... |
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| 14:14.37 | javispedro | ~ping |
| 14:14.38 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 14:14.47 | javispedro | ~bribe the council |
| 14:14.48 | infobot | ACTION slaps javispedro and calls the cops to turn in javispedro for trying to bribe the council |
| 14:14.56 | javispedro | O.o |
| 14:15.09 | qwerty12 | lardman: consider it a hint, then ;) |
| 14:15.29 | qwerty12 | javispedro: BUSTED |
| 14:15.30 | qwerty12 | :) |
| 14:15.34 | lardman | don't worry, he can write faster than he can talk these days with liq* |
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| 14:16.29 | javispedro | i remember the "modest doesn't actually delete messages" bug was FiF? |
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| 14:17.20 | johnsq | Hi |
| 14:17.51 | javispedro | hi |
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| 14:18.39 | lupine_85 | wonders if the quassel client will run on maemo |
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| 14:22.59 | lcuk | oi qwerty12 lardman javispedro \@ |
| 14:22.59 | javispedro | hello lcuk |
| 14:23.07 | lcuk | make sure the bribe is huge and i might accept |
| 14:23.27 | qwerty12 | lcuk: But a dictionary will bring huge benefits to you |
| 14:23.40 | lcuk | yeah - nice and heavy for bashing you on the head with |
| 14:23.43 | lcuk | you cheeky scamp |
| 14:23.57 | javispedro | does have some huge dictionaries |
| 14:24.02 | javispedro | potentially human killing |
| 14:24.28 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:24.28 | qwerty12 | lcuk: OK, fine, in that case give your fellow council members a Northerner-English dictionary |
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| 14:25.16 | woglinde | hi javis |
| 14:25.23 | javispedro | hi ya |
| 14:25.33 | lcuk | im not even on the council - its highly likely my accent has scared people off |
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| 14:26.05 | lcuk | javispedro, did the groupies get you about the pvr win |
| 14:26.10 | javispedro | laughs at the idea an accent from the u.k. could scare a set of international people :) |
| 14:26.13 | lcuk | have you been recognised on the streets yet? |
| 14:26.18 | frals | excuse a poor newbie in this community, but did i do this right? http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/portrait_mode_input/ |
| 14:26.34 | qwerty12 | javispedro: Oh, you haven't heard lcuk's accent |
| 14:26.35 | javispedro | lcuk: not yet. today was a pretty average day :) not even god bothered to talk to me :( |
| 14:27.02 | qwerty12 | Tell Him that you can get an N900 for his use |
| 14:27.21 | lcuk | frals, assuming that is your submission, yes you posted correctly! well done for starting the ball rolling |
| 14:27.38 | lcuk | hopefully your idea will gain momentum and flourish and evolve into a workable component in the os :) |
| 14:27.50 | akshay | Hi ! I want to cross compile(for arm target) a Qt application on maemo 4 sdk which uses poppler for pdf rendering. Is it possible? |
| 14:28.01 | frals | one can hope :) was just unsure how to phrase it in the brainstorm :) |
| 14:28.17 | javispedro | qwerty12: did Him wandered today around your house to see your N900? Even though I think He's part of the conspiracy now too :( |
| 14:28.24 | lcuk | seems reasonable enough to me - better to have badly worded suibmissions there than none at all |
| 14:28.29 | lcuk | thanks for getting involved ;) |
| 14:28.56 | RST38h | javis: Are you talking about the hildon-input-method or the Tentacled One? |
| 14:28.56 | lcuk | both |
| 14:29.00 | javispedro | :) |
| 14:29.21 | qwerty12 | javispedro: He did come, yes, but then he saw the Emo people in my neighbourhood |
| 14:29.24 | lcuk | why am i getting servicing requests from everywhere |
| 14:29.33 | lcuk | i do not see any practical benefits to being serviced |
| 14:29.39 | qwerty12 | lcuk: Rumour is that you're good at servicing |
| 14:29.41 | javispedro | qwerty12: ah, too bad. when is He destroying your hometown? |
| 14:29.46 | lcuk | normally bacon butties or other things result |
| 14:30.07 | RST38h | Does Emo gray matter qualify as giant octopi food? |
| 14:30.17 | lcuk | bbl |
| 14:30.23 | qwerty12 | javispedro: Same time as the N900 is available to buy |
| 14:31.03 | lardman | hmm, have to learn some Java |
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| 14:31.35 | qwerty12 | frals: It's not T9, but you may like https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1356 (from: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4178) |
| 14:32.39 | Jaffa | lardman: Java good. |
| 14:32.42 | javispedro | lols at bug #3683 |
| 14:33.01 | frals | qwerty12: ty. That looks cool *reading through the comments* :) |
| 14:34.22 | lardman | Jaffa: :) |
| 14:35.28 | javispedro | "STEPS TO REPRODUCE THE PROBLEM:use the piece of crap" "EXPECTED OUTCOME:actually WORK" the finest bug report ever produced. |
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| 14:35.47 | lardman | who posted that gem? |
| 14:35.48 | Razumihin | :D |
| 14:36.02 | RST38h | javis: Will be marked invalid. |
| 14:36.11 | javispedro | it was in 2008 :) |
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| 14:36.25 | javispedro | i found it while scrapping through archived modest bug reports |
| 14:36.29 | javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3683 |
| 14:36.29 | glass | does the particular piece of crap work now |
| 14:37.13 | Jaffa | It's better in Fremantle |
| 14:37.26 | javispedro | I can sympathize with the reporter (not because I think modest is crap: I don't). He posted it from the tablet, which means the thing probably crashed twice or thrice before sending him in a bug filer rage. |
| 14:37.33 | Jaffa | Oh, that reminds me - I need to raise some enhancements/bug reports/regressions (regarding fetching message bodies) |
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| 14:38.16 | Myrtti | sounds like a bug report I made about an intranet once |
| 14:39.22 | javispedro | ah, the world of software. |
| 14:39.35 | javispedro | finally linus admit "linux is bloated" lol |
| 14:39.44 | lupine_85 | where where? :p |
| 14:39.51 | javispedro | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/22/linus_torvalds_linux_bloated_huge/ |
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| 14:42.11 | javispedro | aha, found it! |
| 14:42.13 | javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3949 |
| 14:42.24 | javispedro | ok, so FiF as I thought. |
| 14:42.44 | javispedro | now to find out what commit fixed it. |
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| 14:44.46 | Woolly | hey guys, I'm sure I'm doing something stupid, but I'm getting an ImportError on dbus.service when I try to "import dbus" in the Python interpreter. The python2.5-dbus package is installed. |
| 14:45.19 | javispedro | sbox or device? |
| 14:45.28 | Woolly | device |
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| 14:46.02 | javispedro | WORKSFORME |
| 14:46.18 | Woolly | :'( |
| 14:46.20 | javispedro | python2.5-dbus 0.82-4osso2 |
| 14:46.21 | javispedro | :P |
| 14:46.50 | Woolly | courgette:~# dpkg -l | grep python2.5-dbus |
| 14:46.51 | Woolly | ii python2.5-dbus 0.82-4osso2 Python wrappers around D-Bus. |
| 14:47.25 | javispedro | python2.5-dbus: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/dbus/service.py |
| 14:47.45 | javispedro | so check if that file is corrupted |
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| 14:50.10 | Woolly | not as far as I can make out |
| 14:50.51 | javispedro | :( other than reinstalling the package, I don't know what to suggest. |
| 14:51.12 | The_Tall1 | Has anyone tried installing qt-maemo-example on N810? |
| 14:51.16 | Woolly | let's try a reboot :D |
| 14:51.22 | javispedro | wonders if just installing a updated tinymail library will work |
| 14:51.36 | javispedro | or either backport the individual path, which I already found: http://tinymail.org/trac/tinymail/changeset/3863 |
| 14:51.41 | javispedro | s/path/patch |
| 14:52.43 | javispedro | ~flip |
| 14:52.44 | infobot | ACTION flips a coin in the air and it is... oshi--it's the side! |
| 14:52.54 | javispedro | damn. |
| 14:53.11 | javispedro | I knew I shouldn't have trust a computer-thrown coin. |
| 14:53.19 | javispedro | backport the patch is it. |
| 14:53.21 | lcuk | happens in reallife too |
| 14:57.24 | penguinbait | VOTE LCUK for MCC!! |
| 14:57.34 | Myrtti | can't vote |
| 14:57.43 | lcuk | please, dont |
| 14:57.57 | lcuk | i would end up trapped with pb for 6 months - i think i would go insane ;) |
| 14:58.19 | lcuk | hiya penguinbait hows it goin |
| 14:58.36 | javispedro | pb is only one letter away from vb after all :) |
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| 14:59.28 | lcuk | LOL! |
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| 15:00.39 | lcuk | Myrtti, why not |
| 15:00.50 | Myrtti | lcuk: not enough karma |
| 15:01.16 | lcuk | but you gain a karma point every time you make a little heart in irc |
| 15:01.29 | lupine_85 | <3 <3 <3 ? |
| 15:01.56 | lcuk | lupine_85, your hearts are digitally impressive, but Myrtti has a superior method :D |
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| 15:02.00 | qwerty12 | You "<3" yourself? |
| 15:02.26 | Myrtti | ⥠|
| 15:02.38 | ccooke | Surely so, do <3, £>, â¥, â¡ and ⤠score differently? |
| 15:02.44 | SpeedEvil | ⤠|
| 15:02.50 | penguinbait | <3 |
| 15:02.59 | penguinbait | ⤠|
| 15:03.04 | qwerty12 | <===8 |
| 15:03.11 | asj_wrk- | £> is a pretty screwed up heart |
| 15:03.14 | penguinbait | not sure how, but I can copy and paste others |
| 15:03.14 | lcuk | all are fairures behind the perfection of Myrtti :) |
| 15:03.15 | javispedro | .-""""-. .-""""-. |
| 15:03.20 | asj_wrk- | must be after a heard attack |
| 15:03.26 | javispedro | only one line :) |
| 15:03.27 | lcuk | fairures? |
| 15:03.30 | lcuk | ffs failures |
| 15:03.31 | Myrtti | no wait |
| 15:03.41 | Myrtti | what was the treshold for being eligble for vote? |
| 15:03.42 | ccooke | asj_wrk-: I've seen it done, once or twice. |
| 15:03.44 | lupine_85 | heh |
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| 15:03.49 | javispedro | Myrtti: 10 |
| 15:03.52 | SpeedEvil | â |
| 15:03.52 | Myrtti | wohey! |
| 15:04.06 | lcuk | Myrtti, you need an email with a token |
| 15:04.08 | Myrtti | I've got whopping 21 :-D |
| 15:04.14 | lcuk | holy moly! |
| 15:04.25 | Myrtti | Member since 2007-11-15 |
| 15:04.25 | lcuk | then vote your pants off! |
| 15:04.27 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 15:04.36 | Myrtti | *roflcopter* |
| 15:04.37 | javispedro | Myrtti: you should have gotten the email |
| 15:04.40 | penguinbait | you only need 10 to vote |
| 15:04.46 | ccooke | At some point, I guess I should actually post on the forum :-) |
| 15:05.22 | GeneralAntilles | korbé blew a gasket |
| 15:05.25 | Myrtti | WOW! |
| 15:05.31 | Myrtti | I even have the email! |
| 15:05.33 | Myrtti | HAHAHAHAHAH |
| 15:05.42 | Myrtti | is surprised |
| 15:06.22 | javispedro | lol |
| 15:06.41 | wazd | vybory, vybory, kandidaty - ... :D |
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| 15:06.55 | javispedro | aw |
| 15:07.09 | javispedro | yet another "maemo-is-not-100%-free" thread in tmo |
| 15:07.15 | javispedro | *yawn* |
| 15:07.32 | wazd | quote from famous russian song bout elections :D |
| 15:07.44 | javispedro | wazd: :D lol |
| 15:08.08 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31967 |
| 15:08.13 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta love the zealots. |
| 15:08.21 | javispedro | yeah, that's the one |
| 15:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | They can't see through their blinding rage to realize how much harm they actually do to their own cause. |
| 15:08.39 | javispedro | i'd agree with his point, but c'mon, it's the bazillionth time this comes up |
| 15:08.46 | GeneralAntilles | Does he understand exactly how much money Nokia pours into open source in a year? |
| 15:09.12 | wazd | "Ok I will not buy n900" - who cares? :) |
| 15:09.12 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: either way, every closed source package is like a stab. but I realise is just not possible. |
| 15:09.39 | qwerty12 | wazd: On the whole, it sounds like a relief... |
| 15:09.41 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, sometimes compromises have to be made in order to also make progress. |
| 15:10.08 | ccooke | wazd: Personally, I'm most amused by the guy saying that Apple is *so much* better, because their all their devices get the latest firmware :-) |
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| 15:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, my response to that is always "You haven't ever owned an Apple product, have you?" |
| 15:10.51 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: lol :) |
| 15:10.55 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: it's not even that - it's the simple fact that people miss the entire point of the tablet line. |
| 15:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | spoken as an owner of nearly every platform Apple has dropped in the last 20 years. |
| 15:11.01 | wazd | ccooke: yeah, features that should have been there from the beginning :D |
| 15:11.35 | ccooke | They are not mainstream products. They are all, currently, developer prerelease hardware that we're lucky enough to be able to buy |
| 15:11.52 | ccooke | (the n900 might be mainstream, depending on how Nokia treat it *after* release) |
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| 15:12.50 | wazd | I think that Symbian theme maker guy will blow his head off after seeing Fremantle theme template :D |
| 15:12.54 | ccooke | has personally always thought of them as the equivalent of running Debian unstable. |
| 15:13.07 | ccooke | wazd: oh? It's that good... or that bad? |
| 15:13.14 | Macer | blah |
| 15:13.18 | Khertan | hum ... troll ... |
| 15:13.21 | wazd | ccooke: well, it's way more complex |
| 15:13.27 | wazd | ccooke: waaaay moooore :) |
| 15:13.48 | wazd | ccooke: it's good and understandable, but there are a lot of things :) |
| 15:14.00 | GeneralAntilles | I say we nominate Khertan as our neighborhood troll killer. |
| 15:14.05 | Macer | damn NL subs |
| 15:14.14 | Macer | learn english! |
| 15:14.18 | Khertan | if you want a phone which you can compare to Debian Stable you should try the Nokia 3210 |
| 15:14.26 | Khertan | GeneralAntilles: héhé |
| 15:14.40 | X-Fade | Macer: Well at least there are subs and it isn't dubbed ;) |
| 15:14.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 15:15.13 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Bleh, scrap Dutch and make English your official language ;P |
| 15:15.15 | javispedro | watches gnu patch fsck the source tree |
| 15:15.29 | X-Fade | qwerty12: I'm all for it. |
| 15:15.30 | javispedro | oh my. why can't we be friends?? |
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| 15:15.43 | X-Fade | qwerty12: But it almost is already. |
| 15:15.55 | Macer | X-Fade: haha |
| 15:15.57 | Macer | either one sucks |
| 15:16.01 | qwerty12 | And, while you're at it, you may as well rename the entire country to "Holland" |
| 15:16.07 | Macer | they were hardcoded too |
| 15:16.09 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Sometimes I see ads on tv that are entirely in English. |
| 15:16.10 | Woolly | dang :( does anyone know why an import dbus would fail, even with the python2.5-dbus package installed? |
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| 15:16.13 | ccooke | Khertan: I used to run Debian unstable all the time. The point is: It's stable enough to run for general use, but every now and then there's an upheaval. |
| 15:16.15 | Macer | so i have to wait a whopping 2 mins to download another one |
| 15:16.16 | X-Fade | qwerty12: On a Dutch channel. |
| 15:16.19 | Macer | time is money |
| 15:16.24 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Heh |
| 15:16.51 | Macer | i know. wtf. you guys all speak english anyways |
| 15:17.00 | Macer | why not just ditch dutch |
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| 15:17.21 | ccooke | Khertan: I wouldn't call that trollish at all - it's simply how I personally think of things. |
| 15:17.23 | Macer | still have your own plans for world domination? |
| 15:17.24 | Myrtti | haha, I still can't believe I had enough karma to vote |
| 15:17.42 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 15:17.47 | X-Fade | Macer: Dutch language is growing. I have no clue why :) |
| 15:17.51 | javispedro | damn line endings. |
| 15:17.59 | Woolly | anyone? |
| 15:18.12 | Macer | X-Fade: :) that makes two of us |
| 15:18.20 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Foreigners learning how to say "Where can I find the Red Light District" does not mean it's growing :p |
| 15:18.35 | Macer | hahaha |
| 15:18.37 | ccooke | (hell, I ran servers (that I didn't care about and provided no SLA for) on Unstable; never got caught out, but it could have happened) |
| 15:18.40 | Myrtti | "Where can I find good weed" |
| 15:18.49 | Myrtti | *cough* |
| 15:19.01 | Macer | the tourist handbook for visiting NL? |
| 15:19.08 | X-Fade | qwerty12: From central station, go straight on, turn left ;) |
| 15:19.17 | qwerty12 | jots this down |
| 15:19.18 | qwerty12 | Thanks! |
| 15:19.37 | X-Fade | qwerty12: But hurry as it will be closed down soon. |
| 15:20.16 | lcuk | Myrtti, surely you mean medicinal marijuana |
| 15:20.30 | qwerty12 | Thanks, X-Fade, for slashing my hopes in half :( |
| 15:20.40 | Myrtti | lcuk: no, I actually don't mean anything, I've never smoked anything and don't plan to |
| 15:20.46 | akshay | Hi ! I want to cross compile(for arm target) a Qt application on maemo 4 sdk which uses poppler for pdf rendering. Is it possible? In other words, is libpoppler-qt4-dev available for maemo? |
| 15:20.51 | X-Fade | qwerty12: Before you are of legal age, it is gone anyway ;) |
| 15:21.02 | lcuk | ahhhh you like your baked muffins ;) i get ya |
| 15:21.34 | qwerty12 | X-Fade: Like the timezone difference, my age increases by one ;) |
| 15:21.35 | lcuk | akshay, download the qt sdk and see if its there |
| 15:21.48 | lcuk | i saw you asked this morning or maybe yesterday too |
| 15:21.58 | lcuk | grab it and see is the simplest |
| 15:22.47 | javispedro | libpoppler-qt4 is not in the sdk repos, but I don't know about the qt repos |
| 15:23.03 | GeneralAntilles | complains some more about Apple taking forever to put 4 sticks of RAM in a damn computer. |
| 15:23.15 | qwerty12 | Nope, Maemo builds of libpoppler (which is only in Extras) have it removed |
| 15:23.20 | akshay | lcuk: I have made that application using Qt SDK which runs on x86. But I want to compile it for arm (n810). |
| 15:23.24 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: have they done it, then? |
| 15:23.27 | javispedro | ah, so it's in extras :) |
| 15:23.37 | javispedro | then you have a change to beg the maintainer for qt4 support :) |
| 15:23.41 | javispedro | s/change/chance |
| 15:23.49 | GeneralAntilles | ccooke, shouldn't have built-to-order. |
| 15:23.57 | ccooke | GeneralAntilles: ah |
| 15:24.09 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: they can't find a swiss nun for the job |
| 15:24.20 | lcuk | akshay, the qt sdk in scratchbox? or the qt sdk in windows/linux generic? |
| 15:24.35 | akshay | libpoppler-qt4 does not come as part of Qt sdk. It is a seperate package and I could not find it for maemo. |
| 15:24.38 | lcuk | ahhh qwerty knows it all |
| 15:24.40 | akshay | lcuk: for windows |
| 15:24.48 | GeneralAntilles | Damn thing still has to ship to the Apple Store before it comes to me. |
| 15:25.15 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, stepping over to the darkside and getting an ipod shuffle finally? |
| 15:25.34 | GeneralAntilles | Waiting and waiting on my replacement Mac Pro. |
| 15:25.56 | akshay | lcuk: will any debian package compiled for arm run on n810? |
| 15:26.01 | lardman | wow, that OTR bug on the Telepathy bugtracker is a bit fraught |
| 15:26.01 | luke-jr | why should Apple put 4 sticks of RAM in a computer? O.o |
| 15:26.11 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: ring them for your free RDF session |
| 15:26.15 | luke-jr | surely as RAM requirements increase, the stick capacity does too? |
| 15:26.16 | akshay | lcuk: bcoz this libpoppler-qt4 is available as debian package |
| 15:26.26 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, because I friggin' told them to. |
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| 15:26.44 | lcuk | akshay, not generically, but depending on the dependencies can sometimes be recompiled and used on maemo without alteration |
| 15:26.53 | lcuk | did liblo like that |
| 15:26.58 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, sadly it comes with the computer. |
| 15:27.00 | javispedro | akshay: ask the maemo packager to build it with the qt bindings. or help him to do it. |
| 15:27.16 | GeneralAntilles | and the one in the old 1.8GHz G5 I'm on now is expired. |
| 15:27.33 | akshay | javispedro: okay, thank you |
| 15:27.37 | javispedro | GAN: you're complaining, so it's clearly broken. |
| 15:28.46 | qwerty12 | It's a Mac; what else would it be? ;) |
| 15:29.00 | fiferboy | lcuk: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot33.png |
| 15:29.00 | javispedro | (I meant the builtin RDF ;) ) |
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| 15:29.53 | javispedro | gets some ugly mail from tmo and uses it to test his new "modest" mod. |
| 15:29.58 | fiferboy | It is extremely rough, too much hard-coding, not enough functionality, wrong column sizes, no preview box |
| 15:29.59 | javispedro | delete delete delete |
| 15:30.06 | lcuk | w0000t fiferboy \o/ |
| 15:30.32 | qwerty12 | Oh, fiferboy, did you get osso-xterm running? |
| 15:30.40 | fiferboy | It is a start, but basing it on HildonTouchSelector forces all the columns to be the same width |
| 15:30.55 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Yep, just needed a proper network connection. Thanks for the tip |
| 15:31.06 | lcuk | ok, great start. as you say there are things needed and things wrong, but its a start |
| 15:31.24 | qwerty12 | fiferboy: Was this hard to come by, in Canada? :p Just joking, glad to hear it :) |
| 15:31.24 | lardman | zerojay: ping |
| 15:31.24 | lcuk | :D:D:D |
| 15:31.51 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Nah, it is my virtualbox image. It doesn't like it when I switch networks while it is asleep |
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| 15:31.59 | lcuk | fiferboy, would the bold/italic/underline items be better as ticks |
| 15:32.03 | lcuk | since you can have multi |
| 15:32.18 | lcuk | or is that impractical using the current dialog method you tried |
| 15:32.27 | fiferboy | lcuk: Good point. Remove regular, add underline, make it multi-selection |
| 15:32.29 | javispedro | i would put on the right side along with a "Save" button |
| 15:32.35 | javispedro | s/put/put them |
| 15:32.47 | lcuk | most important, needs an accept button :D |
| 15:32.52 | lcuk | and then you basically have a dialog |
| 15:32.56 | fiferboy | javispedro: I removed the "Save" button for the screenshot so I could actually see font names :) |
| 15:33.08 | lcuk | fontname, fontsize, styleticks ?? |
| 15:33.14 | lcuk | ahhh |
| 15:33.19 | javispedro | yeah. but if you put the font styles as HildonChecks above the Save button... it may work. |
| 15:33.23 | lcuk | there is a problem then - is the font size changable |
| 15:33.25 | fiferboy | lcuk: I am building it like HildonDateSelector, so you can add it to your own dialog |
| 15:33.36 | lcuk | nods |
| 15:33.43 | javispedro | a |
| 15:34.02 | fiferboy | Font size is not editable :( |
| 15:34.06 | fiferboy | In this version |
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| 15:34.12 | lcuk | lol they need a font select dialog |
| 15:34.33 | lcuk | chicken and egg problem :D |
| 15:35.02 | javispedro | # huh? -sh: huh?: not found |
| 15:35.09 | javispedro | a |
| 15:35.15 | javispedro | confusing focus again. |
| 15:35.20 | fiferboy | So it could be: a list of font families (queried from the system), a multi-select list of style properties, and a list of font sizes with an entry to override selection |
| 15:35.47 | lardman | beer time! |
| 15:35.49 | lardman | cu all later |
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| 15:36.03 | lcuk | cya lardman|gone |
| 15:36.23 | fiferboy | Oh, and a preview box |
| 15:36.33 | javispedro | yay. finally modest deletes emails. |
| 15:36.34 | lcuk | lol |
| 15:36.36 | fiferboy | I'll definitely have to stop basing it on HildonTouchSelector |
| 15:36.39 | javispedro | ok, one thing off my todo list. |
| 15:36.51 | lcuk | excellent! |
| 15:37.13 | lcuk | fifer, then we will ahve to find a method that plays nicely |
| 15:37.14 | fiferboy | If only wazd (poke) could come up with a nicer interface... |
| 15:37.26 | lcuk | agrees |
| 15:37.42 | lcuk | there was a guy in tmo yesterday saying he could design uis |
| 15:37.49 | lcuk | in exchange for thanks |
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| 15:37.57 | fiferboy | lcuk: I'll probably just inherit GtkWidget so I can add layout and touch selectors |
| 15:38.35 | javispedro | hehe. so the libhildon-widgets-they-forgot-to-add-for-unknown-reasons widget library will come to exist after all :) |
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| 15:39.00 | fiferboy | javispedro: Maybe. I'll have to see if I can get it fully functional |
| 15:39.21 | fiferboy | I'm calling it "pannable-font-selector" to avoid stepping on any hildon/maemo toes |
| 15:39.25 | javispedro | libhwtftafur . |
| 15:39.45 | javispedro | i love libs having "wtf" in the name :) |
| 15:39.51 | lcuk | fiferboy, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31942 |
| 15:40.15 | wazd | has an idea for home countdown |
| 15:40.25 | lcuk | bbl |
| 15:40.38 | javispedro | fiferboy: good job |
| 15:40.43 | fiferboy | wazd: Somehow I am not surprised |
| 15:40.55 | SpeedEvil | wazd: does it involve a track by Europe? |
| 15:41.18 | fiferboy | SpeedEvil: That would only happen on your *final* countdown... |
| 15:41.44 | coldboot | Do you guys know how to add certificates so you can connect to PEAP with MSCHAPv2? |
| 15:41.53 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, hello! |
| 15:42.04 | qwerty12 | ...with a rendition from fiferboy himself |
| 15:42.15 | fiferboy | qwerty12: On fife? |
| 15:42.24 | qwerty12 | Sure, if that takes your fancy |
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| 15:43.28 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, Do you remember that problem with my N810 I mentioned you last week?! It turn off after some seconds, etc.. ? |
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| 15:45.56 | javispedro | ~flip |
| 15:45.57 | infobot | ACTION flips a coin in the air and it is... tails! |
| 15:46.09 | javispedro | tails day today. playing with ogl is it. |
| 15:46.57 | SpeedEvil | yes, I think so. |
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| 15:48.03 | Khertan | bye ... see you later |
| 15:48.23 | javispedro | see you |
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| 15:57.35 | bobbyd | hi |
| 15:57.42 | bobbyd | just ordered my n900 :) |
| 15:58.10 | Corsac | pre-ordered you mean? |
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| 16:12.37 | penguinbait | lull |
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| 16:14.02 | Meizirkki | hi PB |
| 16:14.43 | penguinbait | hey |
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| 16:15.42 | bobbyd | Corsac: yeah yeah :) |
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| 16:22.12 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, so, it's was not related to flash memory. The problem was related with no-retu-wd R&D flag |
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| 16:23.11 | carloscesa | SpeedEvil, After recap the first time the problem appear, was just after flashing the device with this rd-flag |
| 16:25.32 | RST38h | back |
| 16:25.38 | RST38h | moo penguinbait |
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| 16:30.09 | penguinbait | moo? |
| 16:30.14 | Stskeeps | moo |
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| 16:31.06 | penguinbait | its baaah baah |
| 16:31.32 | wazd | zomg PB is here :) |
| 16:31.36 | qwerty12 | it's penguin hunting time |
| 16:31.47 | penguinbait | <---------- ducks |
| 16:32.27 | wazd | you can't trick us, you're a penguin, not ducks :D |
| 16:32.45 | penguinbait | quack quack |
| 16:32.48 | penguinbait | moo moo |
| 16:32.51 | penguinbait | baah baah |
| 16:33.53 | penguinbait | what the hell sound does a penguin make? |
| 16:34.06 | Stskeeps | fapping sound when walking? |
| 16:34.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 16:34.28 | qwerty12 | I'm not googling "fapping sound"... |
| 16:36.26 | Stskeeps | glares at the closed source packages in maemo thread |
| 16:36.49 | javispedro | yeah! |
| 16:36.53 | javispedro | it's a big one! |
| 16:37.30 | RST38h | javis: Have you made use of that code btw? |
| 16:37.34 | penguinbait | http://www.soundboard.com/sb/Penguin_Sounds_audio.aspx |
| 16:37.45 | javispedro | RST38h: not yet...... |
| 16:37.46 | javispedro | hides |
| 16:37.52 | RST38h | ehehe |
| 16:38.32 | javispedro | we got the ogl es sample to work yesterday (with compositor on) |
| 16:39.10 | RST38h | Hurrrah!!! |
| 16:39.12 | javispedro | so I am dumping some code on it right now :) |
| 16:39.46 | RST38h | Can I have it? =) |
| 16:39.53 | RST38h | needs hw scaling for Maemo5 |
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| 16:40.18 | javispedro | i'm cleaning it a bit, but you can get the mess that worked in tmo :) |
| 16:40.28 | javispedro | (removing printfs and all that :P) |
| 16:40.41 | Stskeeps | javispedro: on what device? |
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| 16:41.07 | RST38h | javis: URL? =) |
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| 16:42.14 | javispedro | RST38h: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=322324&postcount=11 source |
| 16:42.24 | javispedro | and http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=330969&postcount=26 picture |
| 16:43.31 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: want us to start looking for a job together? |
| 16:43.47 | RST38h | =) |
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| 16:45.52 | Khertan_n810 | Hi again |
| 16:46.11 | javispedro | not my device of course :) |
| 16:46.12 | Khertan_n810 | someone know which range in milliG can mesure the n900 ? |
| 16:46.23 | javispedro | RST38h: for hw scaling, I would look first at the pvr2D functions, and decide if they're any good |
| 16:46.31 | RST38h | javis: looking |
| 16:47.40 | Khertan_n810 | ~pi ng |
| 16:47.49 | Khertan_n810 | ~ping |
| 16:47.50 | infobot | ~pong |
| 16:48.51 | Khertan_n810 | noone know ? |
| 16:49.22 | coldboot | It seems when I install a certificate on the device, it merely installs a certificate authority. |
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| 16:49.30 | coldboot | I still have no certificates in the dropdown menu. |
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| 16:51.22 | Kht_n810_2 | lcuk ? |
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| 16:51.54 | lcuk | Kht_n810_2, -1000..1000 |
| 16:52.04 | lcuk | if im not here i cannot answer :P |
| 16:52.11 | lcuk | crashanddie_ mmn what happened? |
| 16:52.12 | Kht_n810_2 | :) |
| 16:52.19 | Stskeeps | oh boy |
| 16:52.22 | Kht_n810_2 | 1G only ? not more ? |
| 16:52.22 | Stskeeps | moblin for atom phones |
| 16:52.39 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Accelerometers |
| 16:52.39 | Kht_n810_2 | 1G is gravity |
| 16:52.44 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/ |
| 16:52.47 | lcuk | gives ranges |
| 16:52.47 | Kht_n810_2 | yep i see it |
| 16:53.12 | Kht_n810_2 | thought it was only example when device is put on a table |
| 16:53.27 | Kht_n810_2 | so only gravity apply here |
| 16:53.32 | lcuk | should we add an entry for use when skydiving? |
| 16:53.45 | lcuk | but you must beta test it first |
| 16:53.58 | Kht_n810_2 | and i see your example for a liqbase funtion :) |
| 16:54.05 | lcuk | nods |
| 16:54.26 | javispedro | ............................. |
| 16:54.28 | lcuk | enjoys smooooooooooooooooooooooth accelerometer readings |
| 16:54.40 | javispedro | x86 phones. hell, unleashed. |
| 16:54.43 | Kht_n810_2 | i think shaking the device could give greater value :) |
| 16:54.51 | lcuk | Kht_n810_2, it most likely can |
| 16:54.57 | lcuk | and does |
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| 16:55.35 | Kht_n810_2 | but 1G isn t really accurate ... how to mesure when down |
| 16:55.41 | lcuk | but ive never scientifically ascertained the ranges |
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| 16:55.51 | lcuk | mmm down where |
| 16:56.02 | Kht_n810_2 | there is already the gravity so already at max value |
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| 16:56.17 | Kht_n810_2 | doing a movement from up to down |
| 16:56.40 | lcuk | by the difference in readings |
| 16:56.42 | Kht_n810_2 | couln t be mesure with only 0 to 1G mesure |
| 16:57.21 | Kht_n810_2 | hum ... |
| 16:57.30 | lcuk | i know it goes beyond the -1000..1000 range, but its normal parameters when rolling it around are there |
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| 16:58.02 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090916_052426.ctrlrogers_record1.scr.png |
| 16:58.19 | lcuk | note it goes beyond the range |
| 16:58.25 | Captain_Picard | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/22/intel-announces-moblin-2-1-for-phones/#continued |
| 16:58.31 | lcuk | (range was a bit more than the -1000 stuff |
| 16:58.32 | Captain_Picard | lol? nokia comming out with atom phone? |
| 16:58.49 | javispedro | nokia? |
| 16:58.59 | javispedro | now wait for the actual x86 phones |
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| 16:59.20 | javispedro | can't wait for a phone with BIOS |
| 16:59.32 | javispedro | ;) |
| 16:59.45 | Kht_n810_2 | phonr using atom ? powerfull phone with 10minutes of autonomy ? |
| 17:00.00 | johnsq | javispedro: xpphone and viliv 5s 3g are there already |
| 17:00.09 | Captain_Picard | powerfull phone with with 30-40wats of power usage |
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| 17:00.19 | dropcode | anyone alive? |
| 17:00.27 | johnsq | no |
| 17:00.32 | Kht_n810_2 | dropcode: no |
| 17:00.37 | dropcode | heh :( |
| 17:00.47 | javispedro | johnsq: well, OQO was first then :P |
| 17:00.54 | SDP | I see dead people. |
| 17:01.00 | javispedro | even tho I don't remember if it had a gsm radio |
| 17:01.18 | Kht_n810_2 | javispedro: there is |
| 17:01.19 | dropcode | I'm trying to get python purple installed in linux but I'm pretty new. Not sure how to go about it. |
| 17:01.47 | Kht_n810_2 | apt-get install libpurple |
| 17:02.02 | dropcode | i'm not in debian/dont have apt-get |
| 17:02.10 | dropcode | its a shell account |
| 17:02.19 | Kht_n810_2 | or apt-get install python-purple |
| 17:02.25 | Kht_n810_2 | can t do nothing for you |
| 17:02.37 | SDP | yum install libpurple ?:) |
| 17:02.43 | Kht_n810_2 | wget / make |
| 17:04.07 | Kht_n810_2 | is going back to code |
| 17:04.13 | luke-jr | XMPP only ftw |
| 17:04.23 | Kht_n810_2 | thx lcuk |
| 17:05.44 | dropcode | the page says I need debhelper and cdbs does that mean i need to be in debian to get it working? |
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| 17:07.07 | coldboot | Okay, adding wifi crypto certificates to the n810 and n900 doesn't actually work. |
| 17:07.22 | luke-jr | lulz |
| 17:07.25 | coldboot | When you add a certificate, it shows up in the "Certificate Authority" list, but there's actually no certificate to select from the dropdown. |
| 17:07.41 | luke-jr | coldboot: maybe you're not adding an actual cert? :p |
| 17:07.46 | coldboot | So when you try to connect to a PEAP wifi access point, you can't select a certificate. |
| 17:07.49 | coldboot | It works on other mobile devices. |
| 17:08.44 | luke-jr | speaking of which, does anyone have any suggestions for a good router? :p |
| 17:08.58 | coldboot | Linksys WRT300N. |
| 17:09.08 | luke-jr | something with a decent amount of flash/disk space and Linux supported |
| 17:09.09 | coldboot | It can be hacked with DD-WRT. |
| 17:09.11 | johnsq | luke-jr: pc + wireless card |
| 17:09.23 | coldboot | No, that's a waste of money and electricity. |
| 17:09.28 | luke-jr | johnsq: something that will last reasonably long on a UPS :p |
| 17:09.42 | Stskeeps | coldboot: it doesn't? well that explains all the PEAP stuff |
| 17:09.42 | coldboot | luke-jr: Get anything from Linksys that you like, that works with DD-WRT. |
| 17:09.46 | luke-jr | coldboot: hacked with illegal software doesn't count |
| 17:09.50 | luke-jr | which disqualifies Linksys AFAIK |
| 17:09.53 | johnsq | coldboot: netbook is the same price and same power |
| 17:09.58 | coldboot | luke-jr: DD-WRT isn't illegal... |
| 17:10.07 | luke-jr | coldboot: the broadcom drivers it uses are |
| 17:10.24 | coldboot | luke-jr: I don't think it's really a big deal if it is. Nobody's going to care. |
| 17:10.40 | coldboot | johnsq: Can you get a netbook for $90? |
| 17:10.40 | luke-jr | it's a big deal since I want 2.6.N features :p |
| 17:10.47 | luke-jr | and I do care. |
| 17:11.06 | coldboot | Practically, nothing bad will happen to you if you're using illegal broadcom drivers, if that's even true. |
| 17:11.12 | johnsq | coldboot: ebay |
| 17:11.19 | luke-jr | coldboot: except I won't be free to hack up my own wifi protocols |
| 17:11.31 | coldboot | luke-jr: Well yeah, I guess you need a computer then. |
| 17:11.49 | coldboot | luke-jr: Are you actually going to do that, or you want to be able to do it in the future? |
| 17:12.07 | luke-jr | coldboot: I don't use software I'm not free to modify. |
| 17:12.12 | coldboot | Stskeeps: What's "all the PEAP stuff" in that context? |
| 17:12.25 | Stskeeps | coldboot: there's a horde of PEAP bugs and people complaining about it, i think |
| 17:12.35 | coldboot | Stskeeps: Ah yes, that would explain it. |
| 17:13.07 | luke-jr | mutters about BASH breaking backward compatibility from 3 to 4 |
| 17:13.15 | luke-jr | but I guess that's what a major version bump means |
| 17:13.16 | luke-jr | oh well |
| 17:13.50 | luke-jr | at least the new way is documented |
| 17:13.52 | luke-jr | :p |
| 17:16.40 | coldboot | Stskeeps: Great, so it doesn't actually work. |
| 17:16.51 | Stskeeps | wpa supplicant ICD plugin |
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| 17:17.02 | coldboot | At work they just changed from WEP2 to PEAP, so now all of our devices are locked out of the network. |
| 17:17.06 | coldboot | Stskeeps: What? |
| 17:17.10 | javispedro | hides again |
| 17:17.15 | luke-jr | lol |
| 17:17.55 | javispedro | coldboot: I wrote a icd plugin that talks with wpa_supplicant using dbus |
| 17:18.29 | coldboot | javispedro: dbus is interprocess communication, right? |
| 17:18.36 | javispedro | yes |
| 17:18.40 | coldboot | What is wpa_supplicant? |
| 17:18.49 | coldboot | javispedro: In the big picture, what does this plugin let you do? |
| 17:19.01 | javispedro | coldboot: i use it daily to connect to my uni (PAP) network |
| 17:19.32 | javispedro | wpa_supplicant is what the rest of gnu/linux distros use as wpa supplicant (to connect to wpa networks) |
| 17:19.48 | coldboot | javispedro: Where PAP is similar to PEAP? |
| 17:19.54 | coldboot | javispedro: Do you think I could use this plugin? |
| 17:20.34 | coldboot | I added certificates successfully, and Maemo even says that they've already been added, but they're not being populated in the certificate dropdown in connection properties. |
| 17:20.35 | javispedro | you could, but I warn you may found more bugs than in the nokia wlan-security one. at least, this one is OSS. |
| 17:21.02 | javispedro | (bugs in my code, not wpa_supplicant's of course) |
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| 17:23.09 | t_s_o | heh, intel yanked the "oh, and its also a phone" move that nokia did in their N900 presentation video |
| 17:23.58 | lcuk | well since ofono is a collaborative effort between intel/nokia, was that really a surprise |
| 17:24.03 | t_s_o | seems intel is aiming atom and moblin straight down the same path as nokia is heading with maemo. arm+maemo vs atom+moblin, fight! |
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| 17:24.29 | t_s_o | lcuk: last time i checked, N900 do not make use of ofono... |
| 17:25.02 | luke-jr | IMO, the "oh, and its also a phone" was lame after Nokia spent months+ denying it |
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| 17:25.43 | t_s_o | well, they want to play up the computer angle and play down the phone angle, as its coming from a "phone" company... |
| 17:26.12 | t_s_o | but everyone seems to be focusing on the phone part, seeing everything else as a nice "extra" |
| 17:26.14 | aSIMULAter | :) |
| 17:26.25 | luke-jr | they should make it more computer-like then :/ |
| 17:26.41 | Stskeeps | likes the maemo view that a phone is just another app or connectivity method |
| 17:26.54 | luke-jr | it's frustrating that Sharp made some really nice handheld computers years ago, but nobody bothers to make updated variants now |
| 17:27.21 | t_s_o | heh, sharp. there is the netwalker now... |
| 17:27.27 | luke-jr | yeah, but reviews suck |
| 17:27.33 | luke-jr | and apparently it's huge |
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| 17:28.07 | luke-jr | if it was the same SL-C3200 size or such, maybe |
| 17:28.17 | luke-jr | if it had Bluetooth too, even better |
| 17:28.32 | luke-jr | if it had 3G or such, totally awesome |
| 17:28.33 | luke-jr | :p |
| 17:28.44 | t_s_o | bluetooth was in the bottom of the hype curve then, and gsm data was still by the minute... |
| 17:28.58 | luke-jr | then? |
| 17:29.07 | luke-jr | the PC-Z1 isn't out for another month or so I think |
| 17:29.12 | javispedro | should probably get to finish the instructions of libicd wpa_supplicant plugin. |
| 17:29.16 | t_s_o | when sharp was selling their transformable handhelds... |
| 17:29.29 | javispedro | and see what can be done in n900, because it's not going to have PAP support.... |
| 17:29.33 | luke-jr | t_s_o: I don't need transformable, I'm happy to stick with clamshell mode |
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| 17:30.06 | SpeedEvil | you mean screen goes all the way back to flat against the back of the keyb? |
| 17:30.10 | SpeedEvil | = transformable/ |
| 17:30.23 | t_s_o | if so, netwalker should be right up your alley, think umid with arm, it seems larger then it is... |
| 17:30.27 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: no, it rotates |
| 17:30.48 | luke-jr | t_s_o: PC-Z1 lacks Bluetooth, 3G, and is too big, and according to reviews, has a terrible kb |
| 17:30.49 | t_s_o | SpeedEvil: think tablet laptop pc, rotateable screen |
| 17:30.53 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 17:32.08 | t_s_o | luke-jr: mifi? |
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| 17:33.44 | luke-jr | t_s_o: if available here, that would mitigate the problem slightly |
| 17:34.05 | t_s_o | not sure where "here" would be... |
| 17:35.09 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr: nothing "lacks" 3G |
| 17:35.33 | SpeedEvil | holds up a lump of cheese that does. |
| 17:35.35 | crashanddie_ | it's like saying "It's a great car, but it only goes up to 130mph" |
| 17:36.20 | t_s_o | still, i think sharp is overpricing it badly... |
| 17:36.35 | SpeedEvil | how much is the netwalker? |
| 17:37.02 | t_s_o | going by conics.net, around $500 |
| 17:37.55 | t_s_o | err, make that 570... |
| 17:38.21 | t_s_o | how it got that high from the ca 470 price that engadget calculated based on its yen price i dont know... |
| 17:39.12 | glass_ | lacking both bt and 3g is a big lacking though |
| 17:40.02 | glass_ | "it's a great car but you can only drive it on asphalt" |
| 17:40.03 | lcuk | t_s_o, no, but it certainly indicated direction |
| 17:40.03 | RST38h | Anyone feeling like comparing a couple of straces? |
| 17:40.13 | RST38h | Maybe there is something in them I missed |
| 17:40.35 | coldboot | Can you ssh to a device through the usb cable? |
| 17:40.54 | t_s_o | i wonder if bluetooth is not really cared about outside of europe... |
| 17:41.07 | coldboot | We use it in North America for cell phone headsets. |
| 17:41.11 | coldboot | That's about it. |
| 17:41.16 | coldboot | We don't have bluetooth cameras or anything. |
| 17:41.28 | SpeedEvil | BT cameras are vanishingly unavailable |
| 17:41.34 | SpeedEvil | other than the expensive ones. |
| 17:41.41 | glass_ | t_s_o: what it's useful for is for getting on the internet in the boondocks via your phone |
| 17:41.52 | glass_ | or rather, finnish forests |
| 17:41.55 | SpeedEvil | (or at least were the last time I looked about 9 mo ago) |
| 17:42.12 | t_s_o | not surprised as the bandwidth is supplises is outstripped by the image sizes produced by the high rez chips... |
| 17:42.26 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, but it's got an 800MHz Cortex A8 and 512MB of RAM. |
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| 17:43.05 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: I don't much care - I want to be able to take a pic and stream to BT. at least at 2-3M that's not unreasonable. |
| 17:43.12 | t_s_o | glass_: and for nations where the operators put a premium on that use, under the "tethering" label, and locks down the firmware so that you can do it unless you pay? |
| 17:43.22 | SpeedEvil | No, you're not going to be shooting video. |
| 17:43.38 | glass_ | t_s_o: well, even then theres those who pay. business users etc |
| 17:43.55 | glass_ | still better than nothing |
| 17:44.11 | t_s_o | i worry that todays media thinking is to computer centric, that is anything not a "PC" is a "halo" device, connected by way of usb or maybe wifi... |
| 17:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Lots more use for BT in camera than that. |
| 17:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Printing to BT printer, over phone, ... |
| 17:46.06 | t_s_o | hmm, i wonder if celio could make a redfly style device that could run on a couple of AA's and have a eyepiece... |
| 17:46.38 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: I have one slightly in design. |
| 17:46.50 | t_s_o | SpeedEvil: again the pc "halo". first download to computer, then process the image there, then send it of to printer... |
| 17:47.11 | SpeedEvil | VNC over BNP eyeglass display |
| 17:47.11 | bobbyd | does anyone know a good source of breaking information about which carriers are offering the n900? Maybe just the carrier's own forums? |
| 17:47.32 | SpeedEvil | Also - you may not care in some countries. |
| 17:47.38 | t_s_o | the printer, the camera, the phone, the dap/dmp, all connect to the pc and the pc acts as the "gateway" or hub... |
| 17:47.44 | SpeedEvil | As secondary vendors are offering them with contract and subsidy |
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| 17:48.35 | bobbyd | sorry, I meant to add, "in the UK" :) |
| 17:48.47 | SpeedEvil | bobbyd: google n900 mobile |
| 17:49.05 | Myrtti | bobbyd: atleast t-mobile and voda have it |
| 17:49.05 | SpeedEvil | bobbyd: there are a couple of stores offfering on contract subsidised |
| 17:49.10 | bobbyd | SpeedEvil: ok, just wanted to check if there were less public, more informative sources |
| 17:49.17 | t_s_o | i think there was a recent thread on talk.maemo.org about uk carriers and N900 |
| 17:49.31 | bobbyd | Myrtti: yep, I've pre-ordered through Vodafone, just want to check if a better deal comes up before it ships |
| 17:49.35 | bobbyd | ok |
| 17:49.39 | Myrtti | I'm personally intrested if O2 has it |
| 17:49.51 | SpeedEvil | you mean through mobilephoneshop? |
| 17:49.53 | Myrtti | as I'm outside UK, I can't check their idiotic webshop |
| 17:49.58 | SpeedEvil | Or have voda directly |
| 17:50.50 | Myrtti | the idiotic webshop of which the developers should be boiled, hanged, chopped, roasted on a spit and given to dogs. or something |
| 17:50.55 | t_s_o | SpeedEvil: got a link to those eyeglass displays? |
| 17:51.01 | bobbyd | SpeedEvil: www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk |
| 17:51.07 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: I haven't finished making it yet. |
| 17:51.17 | t_s_o | ah :P |
| 17:51.37 | javispedro | heh. |
| 17:51.45 | javispedro | http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/sdkdownloads/index.asp it now says "N900". |
| 17:51.45 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: something like a 640*480 virtual display in the corner of your eye |
| 17:51.59 | Myrtti | if it isn't evident, I hate http://shop.o2.co.uk Those who are from outside UK, know immediately why if they open that link |
| 17:52.02 | bobbyd | I'm not sure if that place will actually be able to get units, but I'll try |
| 17:52.21 | t_s_o | SpeedEvil: ok, i was just wondering what that BNP stood for... |
| 17:52.33 | SpeedEvil | t_s_o: Bluetooth networking Profile |
| 17:52.35 | SpeedEvil | Err. |
| 17:52.43 | SpeedEvil | BNEP I think is the more common acronym |
| 17:52.52 | t_s_o | ok, thanks |
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| 17:54.31 | t_s_o | hmm, not exactly cortex, but buglabs seems to have made a new bugbase, now with wifi and bluetooth... |
| 17:54.41 | udovdh | Myrtti, Unfortunately, we are unable to sell to countries outside the UK? |
| 17:54.45 | Myrtti | udovdh: bingo |
| 17:54.58 | udovdh | so much for open markets etc? |
| 17:55.02 | udovdh | but it may be their own choice |
| 17:55.07 | udovdh | call them lazy? |
| 17:55.10 | ccooke | Hmm. |
| 17:55.26 | ccooke | Just seen a link on Amazon.com. |
| 17:55.34 | Myrtti | udovdh: so much for serving their own customers who are abroad, people in UK that need to use foreign proxies, or people who plan for moving to UK |
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| 17:55.43 | ccooke | Apparently, 92% of the people looking at the n900 buy it. |
| 17:55.54 | Stskeeps | scary |
| 17:55.55 | ccooke | ah, no. |
| 17:56.01 | udovdh | that is also an issue yes. they have a very quick way of deciding whether they want your business... |
| 17:56.02 | ccooke | misleading text. Phew. |
| 17:56.15 | ccooke | 92% of the people who buy *something* after looking at the n900 buy it |
| 17:56.17 | udovdh | ccooke, that means most buyers are determined |
| 17:56.41 | udovdh | why look at it when you know you need the device? |
| 17:56.44 | SpeedEvil | Myrtti: searching o2 and the o2 shop for n900 reveal nothing |
| 17:57.35 | ccooke | udovdh: it means people are generally going straight there. |
| 17:57.58 | udovdh | also, yes |
| 17:58.05 | SpeedEvil | Also - O2 = iphone ATM |
| 17:58.06 | udovdh | but the n900 is a phone, right? |
| 17:58.12 | ccooke | udovdh: yes. |
| 17:58.18 | udovdh | so I don't need it |
| 17:58.26 | udovdh | the n810 I own is good enough I hope |
| 17:58.41 | udovdh | The company phone is the phone |
| 17:58.54 | simula | is itching for his n900 |
| 17:59.01 | udovdh | don't want to mix their and my stuff |
| 17:59.03 | ccooke | has two n900s on order... |
| 17:59.09 | udovdh | 2? |
| 17:59.14 | ccooke | one for me, one for the wife :-) |
| 17:59.17 | udovdh | 1 to disassemble? |
| 17:59.19 | udovdh | oh |
| 17:59.23 | udovdh | of course |
| 17:59.36 | ccooke | Although she understands that whichever one arrives first is mine ;-) |
| 18:00.09 | udovdh | Myrtti, try http://service.o2.co.uk/IQ/srvs/cgi-bin/webcgi.exe?New,KB=Companion,question=ref%28user%29:str%28Mobile%29,t=Contact_us,&cm_mmc=Navigation-_-Footer-_-ContactO2 |
| 18:00.12 | udovdh | to contact them? |
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| 18:01.05 | Myrtti | udovdh: http://getsatisfaction.com/o2/topics/cant_view_the_o2_shop_from_outside_the_uk / twitter / email tried. I'm just frustrated and need to vent :-( nothing happens, ever |
| 18:01.44 | SpeedEvil | I was surprised to find the vodafone forums not totally useless. |
| 18:01.59 | SpeedEvil | Just mostly. |
| 18:02.30 | udovdh | Myrtti, interesting... |
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| 18:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Though vodafones website is a sick joke - most pages in the 'my account' bit are broken most of the time |
| 18:05.38 | SpeedEvil | including 'contact us' |
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| 18:06.00 | SpeedEvil | and they 'don't support' linux by blocking FF on linux from the coverage maps. |
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| 18:08.38 | Kht_n810_3 | ~ping |
| 18:08.56 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 18:18.43 | bobbyd | now I just need to find a way to route all my traffic over http and I can avoid Vodafone blocking all my IM traffic :) |
| 18:19.50 | GeneralAntilles | Interesting http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/22/intel-announces-moblin-2-1-for-phones/ |
| 18:20.04 | Wnt | bobbyd: http://www.nocrew.org/software/httptunnel.html |
| 18:21.19 | bobbyd | Wnt: :) |
| 18:22.34 | Wnt | bobbyd: you can run openvpn over that |
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| 18:22.58 | bobbyd | nice |
| 18:24.17 | bobbyd | ok, later |
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| 18:42.09 | Stskeeps | hahaha |
| 18:42.26 | Stskeeps | tags on closed source packages: korbe vs common sense, korbe vs the world |
| 18:42.29 | penguinbait | VOTE ~~~ |
| 18:43.21 | javispedro | VOTE korbe |
| 18:43.40 | Stskeeps | i think i would actually vote in korbe instead of penguinbait, but yeah ;) |
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| 18:44.11 | Anunakin | penguinbait got my vote |
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| 18:44.40 | tfogal | Hi all -- is there a list online anywhere that has a list of devices running Maemo? |
| 18:44.51 | lcuk | 770 n800 n810 n900 |
| 18:44.55 | Stskeeps | official Maemo or unofficial implementors of APIs? |
| 18:45.32 | tfogal | I'm basically looking for a list of `if you buy this device <X>, you can get Maemo running on it without breaking it, and then develop your own app on top of Maemo' |
| 18:45.44 | cosmo | ..and i think it runs on also other h/w such as beagleboard and x86 pc's |
| 18:45.48 | RST38h | who is the korbe guy? |
| 18:46.06 | tfogal | lcuk: thanks. so all nokia right now? |
| 18:46.07 | luke-jr | tfogal: Maemo is pretty much specific to Nokia. |
| 18:46.13 | luke-jr | tfogal: they don't license it to anyone else |
| 18:46.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: 'Closed source packages in Maemo' thread |
| 18:46.37 | tfogal | wait, what? I thought this stuff was all open source. |
| 18:46.41 | luke-jr | nope |
| 18:46.46 | luke-jr | Mer is attempt to recycle the open source bits |
| 18:46.55 | GeneralAntilles | It's about 80% open source. |
| 18:47.02 | GeneralAntilles | Closed source stuff is the differentiation on top. |
| 18:47.05 | lcuk | and about 10% bacon |
| 18:47.05 | fiferboy | lcuk, javispedro, wazd, et al: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot35.png |
| 18:47.18 | fiferboy | Better, worse, suggestions? |
| 18:47.19 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: and drivers |
| 18:47.33 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: drivers are differentiation but yeah |
| 18:47.49 | RST38h | Sts: ah, what a cutie |
| 18:47.53 | luke-jr | I don't mind the differentiation crap. I can remove that :p |
| 18:47.59 | luke-jr | the drivers are the biggie to me |
| 18:48.42 | javispedro | fiferboy: still mising the "Save"/"Done" button ;) |
| 18:48.46 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: oh, I read that wrong... |
| 18:48.58 | fiferboy | javispedro: Still not width optimized ;) |
| 18:49.10 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: not per dictionary definition of differentiation |
| 18:49.17 | fiferboy | I need to figure out how to show enough of the font name, and still have style and size in there |
| 18:49.21 | javispedro | fiferboy: yeah, but fsck the guidelines on that point and put it in the corner |
| 18:49.54 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: true, true |
| 18:49.55 | lcuk | looks more and more like a microsoft dialog |
| 18:50.15 | luke-jr | wonders if it was a bad idea to use "You've Got To Eat Your Vegetables" for a ringtone |
| 18:50.16 | lcuk | rather than finger friendly its heavy on the eyes im thinking |
| 18:50.26 | fiferboy | lcuk: Suggestions? |
| 18:50.32 | lcuk | just pondering |
| 18:50.41 | lcuk | do font sizes need to be a whole column |
| 18:50.52 | Stskeeps | what was the classical closed source packages that people were very activistic about getting OSS'ed again? |
| 18:50.53 | lcuk | (<) 14 (>) |
| 18:51.02 | lcuk | click number bobs up scroller |
| 18:51.10 | lcuk | or +- to adjust |
| 18:51.28 | javispedro | Stskeeps: err.... everything!! everything!! |
| 18:51.33 | lcuk | bold/italic/underline |
| 18:51.39 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: BME and gpsdriver |
| 18:51.54 | fiferboy | lcuk: There isn't really a good number selector any more without using a touch selector |
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| 18:52.01 | lcuk | is thinking out loud of course - you have this implemted which is 1000% further |
| 18:52.35 | keesj | did anybody have a real look at usb-host on n900 or a prototype? |
| 18:52.45 | lcuk | what is a good number selector.. |
| 18:52.56 | luke-jr | lcuk: I use a die. |
| 18:52.58 | SpeedEvil | fiferboy: I would suggest nuking the middle column, and making it a [i] [B] ... buttons on the 'select a font' bar |
| 18:53.30 | fiferboy | javispedro: With "Done" button: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot36.png |
| 18:53.36 | SpeedEvil | fiferboy: also maybe nuke the word 'font' in preview |
| 18:53.58 | javispedro | fiferboy: that's why I was telling you to ignore the guidelines on that point |
| 18:54.01 | fiferboy | SpeedEvil: That is the dialog window title, I can't really do anything in there |
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| 18:54.14 | SpeedEvil | hmm - point - tired. |
| 18:54.32 | fiferboy | javispedro: I can only put dialog buttons on the right-hand side, and they can't (I think) be toggle buttons |
| 18:54.53 | woglinde | hi fiferboy |
| 18:54.58 | fiferboy | woglinde: Hey |
| 18:55.14 | javispedro | was thinking of a more hackish solution, but you're right either way >:) |
| 18:55.35 | fiferboy | If I take the entry portion away from the size column I can save a lot of space, but then the user can't select half/odd sizes |
| 18:55.36 | RST38h | fiferboy: font names are not visible |
| 18:55.50 | fiferboy | RST38h: That's what I am trying to fix :) |
| 18:55.55 | fiferboy | I need to save width |
| 18:56.10 | RST38h | fiferboy: drop the middle column |
| 18:56.13 | airtonarantes | I've just installed maemo-mapper on n810 and I'm getting SEGMENTATIN FAULT, but my friend has also N810 and maemo mapper works fine. I've searched about this, but no success. |
| 18:56.35 | luke-jr | airtonarantes: Diablo? |
| 18:56.39 | RST38h | fiferboy: write font names in the same font, include extra entries for bold/talic/etc |
| 18:56.40 | airtonarantes | luke-jr, yes |
| 18:56.55 | fiferboy | RST38h: Just like osso-xterm :) |
| 18:57.03 | RST38h | fiferboy: more or less but prettier |
| 18:57.19 | RST38h | fiferboy: make font size scroller more narrow, you only need two digits there |
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| 18:57.43 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090922_195534.liqsketchedit.scr.png |
| 18:57.47 | lcuk | fiferboy, ^ |
| 18:57.50 | fiferboy | RST38h: Using HildonTouchSelectorEntry forces more width |
| 18:58.08 | airtonarantes | luke-jr, have you ever you got this? |
| 18:58.14 | RST38h | fiferboy: ignore hildon stuff, it is wasteful |
| 18:58.17 | luke-jr | airtonarantes: works for me |
| 18:58.20 | luke-jr | or did when I used it |
| 18:58.23 | fiferboy | lcuk: Nice use of liqbase :D |
| 18:58.30 | RST38h | fiferboy: I would even ifnore this awful dialog box layout where you waste the right column |
| 18:58.34 | lcuk | thats the real use of liqbase |
| 18:58.39 | lcuk | i draw and sketch ideas in context |
| 18:58.45 | lcuk | then i try to make them |
| 18:59.03 | fiferboy | lcuk: I use paper :( |
| 18:59.10 | lcuk | liqbase is faster than paper :P |
| 18:59.21 | fiferboy | lcuk: I heard that somewhere :) |
| 18:59.27 | lcuk | ;) |
| 18:59.43 | lcuk | now - we need a less busy screen than the one started |
| 18:59.44 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: But can you start fires with it/ |
| 18:59.50 | lcuk | yeah SpeedEvil |
| 18:59.52 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: And does it support origami? |
| 18:59.58 | lcuk | i just leave the bacon under the grill for too long |
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| 19:02.33 | lcuk | fiferboy, |
| 19:02.39 | lcuk | shame the font list itself cannot show the fonts |
| 19:02.46 | lcuk | so no need for preview really |
| 19:03.18 | fiferboy | The preview, I think, is the least of the problems. It doesn't take any width away from the name |
| 19:03.29 | fiferboy | But you are right, it would be nice to show the font in the name list |
| 19:03.39 | fiferboy | Actually, that should be possible. osso-xterm does it |
| 19:03.54 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't work well for dingbats though :) |
| 19:04.20 | fiferboy | SpeedEvil: Good point! |
| 19:04.21 | RST38h | fiferboy: can you decrease font size in those scrollers? |
| 19:04.37 | fiferboy | RST38h: More than likely |
| 19:04.49 | lcuk | are you sure the track won't bend? |
| 19:05.15 | RST38h | fiferboy: try decreasing the font sizes then, that should help...well somewhat |
| 19:05.41 | fiferboy | RST38h: True. I can use SmallSystemFont and see if that helps |
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| 19:09.15 | Khertan | re |
| 19:09.34 | woglinde | jo khertan |
| 19:10.00 | Khertan | yo woglinde |
| 19:10.16 | lcuk | swings round and chops off Khertan's head |
| 19:10.56 | Khertan | hum ... |
| 19:11.03 | lcuk | then holds n900 steady and hears amazing swooshing sabre sounds coming from it ;) |
| 19:11.10 | Khertan | lol |
| 19:11.29 | fiferboy | Ah, it looks like HildonTouchSelector isn't smart enough to request the proper amount of space - it needs to have extra space requested |
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| 19:12.16 | Myrtti | lcuk: that reminds me of http://www.twitpic.com/ia5f1 for some reason |
| 19:12.33 | lcuk | the nose picker! |
| 19:12.46 | RST38h | for really long nosed aliens |
| 19:12.56 | lcuk | RST38h, look in the background |
| 19:13.16 | RST38h | ah, that one |
| 19:13.35 | lcuk | obama oozes coolness |
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| 19:13.48 | Khertan | lcuk do you have been able to test it ? |
| 19:14.00 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:14.10 | lcuk | you have it programmed to go off based on aboslute position |
| 19:14.14 | lcuk | absolute |
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| 19:14.25 | lcuk | it swooshes and swipes when held still |
| 19:14.30 | lcuk | and not based on movement |
| 19:14.46 | Khertan | arg |
| 19:14.48 | lcuk | different orientations give different sounds as expected |
| 19:15.03 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:15.07 | lcuk | you need to store the difference in the values and make noises based on those |
| 19:15.20 | Khertan | so i didn't understand how it s works |
| 19:15.30 | lcuk | no i know |
| 19:15.40 | Khertan | it does give at the moment acceleration differences |
| 19:15.43 | Khertan | ok |
| 19:15.46 | lcuk | if its held at say 45deg it gives a fixed value |
| 19:15.55 | Khertan | ah ok |
| 19:15.56 | lcuk | if i move it to 40deg it gives a different fixed value |
| 19:16.06 | Khertan | i ve understand it like that |
| 19:16.12 | lcuk | the difference in values over time is how fast it is moving |
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| 19:16.32 | Khertan | so it ll be easy to modify it ... just as you say store differences |
| 19:16.37 | lcuk | nods |
| 19:16.49 | lcuk | cool tho! |
| 19:16.59 | Khertan | i ve a modified version on my nit which doesn't require gtk anymore :) |
| 19:17.01 | lcuk | first app with sound ive played with (barring mediaplayer) |
| 19:17.02 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:17.09 | frals | lightsaber? ;D |
| 19:17.13 | lcuk | yeah! |
| 19:17.13 | Khertan | just need to add an interface :) |
| 19:17.16 | Khertan | frals: yep :) |
| 19:17.27 | lcuk | the REAL purpose for an accelerometer |
| 19:17.40 | Khertan | the ONLY REAL purpose |
| 19:17.41 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:17.48 | frals | awesome :D i still remember installing that on my n95 and playing with... everyone went "wtf how can your phone do that" :D |
| 19:18.39 | RST38h | Any SQL experts? |
| 19:18.52 | woglinde | rst maybee |
| 19:19.18 | konttori__ | RST38h: I am pretty good. |
| 19:19.23 | konttori__ | what do you need? |
| 19:19.33 | RST38h | I am selecting data from a column that is incomplete |
| 19:19.55 | RST38h | i.e. for some rows it has no data |
| 19:19.55 | Khertan | hop ... project registered at garage :) |
| 19:19.55 | konttori__ | ok |
| 19:19.55 | RST38h | For these rows, I am not getting any data at all |
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| 19:20.05 | RST38h | Instead, I would like to get some default value for this column |
| 19:20.08 | RST38h | Is it possible? |
| 19:20.09 | lcuk | whats the select stmt |
| 19:20.16 | Khertan | lcuk ... i ll try tomorrow to add an ui ... and send it quickly to autobuilder :) |
| 19:20.18 | konttori__ | you can set a default value in the create table statement |
| 19:20.23 | konttori__ | (or do alter table later) |
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| 19:20.40 | woglinde | yepp |
| 19:20.48 | woglinde | default only in table definition |
| 19:20.50 | woglinde | not select |
| 19:20.53 | lcuk | or update query if the definition is already correct |
| 19:21.06 | RST38h | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m2fa9b5c4 |
| 19:21.24 | RST38h | The problem is that rows in T do not always exist |
| 19:21.27 | konttori__ | RST38h: which sql database? |
| 19:21.29 | timeless | quake 3 is nice w/ accelerometer for controls |
| 19:21.32 | RST38h | So I need to make them optional |
| 19:21.38 | RST38h | konttori: Postgress |
| 19:21.49 | frals | timeless: video! need to drool! :) |
| 19:23.55 | timeless | sorry, we didn't use an n900 o record the tvout of q3 |
| 19:24.00 | timeless | but it did work and was quite amusing |
| 19:24.00 | timeless | actually, more amusing was running q3 and bounce at the same time |
| 19:24.02 | timeless | both responding to motion :o |
| 19:24.14 | konttori__ | RST38h: hold on a sec. Do you want to set defautl value or do you just want that query to work? |
| 19:24.27 | konttori__ | as you can just modify the query to do a left outer join. |
| 19:24.35 | GeneralAntilles | timeless, we need a screenshot of that to hold over iPhone users. ;) |
| 19:24.36 | konttori__ | it will slow down the query but it will always work |
| 19:24.37 | Khertan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b9PH55EtJI <<< AN OTHER GOOD ACCELEROMETERS USE ! |
| 19:24.44 | RST38h | konttori: I want query to work even if S.id=T.sentence does not get satisfied |
| 19:24.45 | Khertan | lcuk : ^^ |
| 19:25.10 | RST38h | konttori: I can't do joins, damn postgress is already slow like hell |
| 19:25.27 | RST38h | I can also run two selects of course |
| 19:25.51 | konttori__ | well, that query that you have is already doing an inner join |
| 19:25.56 | Myrtti | Khertan: you saw the Barbeque app? |
| 19:26.02 | Khertan | nope |
| 19:26.03 | konttori__ | it's just automatically made join. |
| 19:26.15 | RST38h | guess so, yes |
| 19:26.17 | Myrtti | Khertan: http://www.equinux.com/us/products/iphoneapps/barbecue.html |
| 19:26.20 | Khertan | i ve just made a query on google ... : useless google apps |
| 19:26.22 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:26.26 | lcuk | RST38h, you dont have missing fields, you have missing records! |
| 19:26.31 | Khertan | s/google/iphone |
| 19:27.07 | coldboot | You made a query on iphone? |
| 19:27.28 | Myrtti | but seriously, that BBQ thing would be so cool. |
| 19:27.31 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, I know that :) |
| 19:27.35 | lcuk | bacon grill |
| 19:27.52 | konttori__ | RST38h: something like this should work. http://maemo.pastebin.com/m434e0eb5 |
| 19:27.52 | Myrtti | mmmm bacon |
| 19:28.03 | Khertan | coldboot: the second google word ... lol |
| 19:28.37 | RST38h | konttori: ! |
| 19:28.46 | RST38h | konttori: Let's see how fast it runs though ;) |
| 19:28.50 | coldboot | That iBeer is hilarious. |
| 19:29.36 | lcuk | Khertan, even better use of accelerometer |
| 19:29.37 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGHk4Aau438 |
| 19:29.49 | lcuk | super massive widescreen ultra display |
| 19:30.00 | lcuk | q3 would actually be AWESOME on that scale |
| 19:30.15 | chx | q3? |
| 19:30.22 | lcuk | quake |
| 19:30.49 | Khertan | lcuk: did you think of epilleptics peoples ? |
| 19:30.50 | Khertan | :) |
| 19:31.08 | lcuk | yeah - we had specially trained people moving the bodies |
| 19:31.19 | Khertan | lol |
| 19:32.20 | Khertan | lcuk: i suppose you come at the summit ? |
| 19:32.47 | lcuk | yeah gotta organise travel tonight actually |
| 19:33.52 | konttori__ | Khertan: will you port your applets to fremantle 5? |
| 19:34.15 | Khertan | konttori__: surely |
| 19:34.24 | slonopotamus | Khertan, !!! |
| 19:34.31 | konttori__ | wazd: I just got theme maker working without debian tools (so, it will soon work on windows as well) |
| 19:34.37 | Khertan | konttori__: just waiting that hildon python binding is more stable |
| 19:34.40 | slonopotamus | Khertan, pygtkeditor strips _ in filenames |
| 19:34.45 | wazd | fiferboy: http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/0909/ed/7584cad54cb0.png |
| 19:34.49 | wazd | konttori_: great |
| 19:34.51 | Khertan | slonopotamus: oups |
| 19:34.53 | konttori__ | Khertan: afaik, the binding is pretty stable |
| 19:35.08 | Khertan | konttori__: hum ... i get segfault many times |
| 19:35.12 | konttori__ | really? |
| 19:35.20 | Khertan | and i didn't get the time yet to understand why |
| 19:35.23 | fiferboy | wazd: :D |
| 19:35.29 | slonopotamus | Khertan, create i_like_underlines, open in and it'll apear as 'ilikeunderlines' in 'recent files' |
| 19:35.30 | Khertan | maybe my fault |
| 19:35.43 | Khertan | slonopotamus: just in recent file ? |
| 19:35.45 | lcuk | +100 internets wazd |
| 19:35.50 | fiferboy | wazd: I was just implementing something like that, but with "Bold, italic, underline, strikeout" as toggle buttons along the bottom |
| 19:35.52 | Khertan | on diablo / fremantle ? |
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| 19:36.10 | slonopotamus | Khertan, yep, editor title is correct, only recent is wrong |
| 19:36.18 | javispedro | wazd: wow. |
| 19:36.22 | RST38h | wazd <-- saves the day as always :) |
| 19:36.26 | wazd | fiferboy: well, you can do that instead of preview :) |
| 19:36.29 | Khertan | lol i ll take a look ... surely the gtk.Accelerator :) |
| 19:36.35 | Khertan | thanks for the report |
| 19:36.36 | fiferboy | I was hoping wazd would come in and knock one out of the park |
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| 19:37.12 | RST38h | konttori: Does not work =( |
| 19:37.16 | slonopotamus | Khertan, and if i have two underlines in row (__init__.py) then only one is stripped in each group so it becomes '_init_.py' |
| 19:37.33 | wazd | you're overrating my layer-moving skills guys :) |
| 19:37.40 | konttori__ | RST38h: so, try reversing the join direction |
| 19:37.52 | konttori__ | (or just make it right outer join) |
| 19:37.59 | konttori__ | instead of left outer join |
| 19:38.30 | Khertan | slonopotamus: you mean that it strip underscore in text ? |
| 19:38.42 | konttori__ | (or FULL OUTER JOIN) |
| 19:38.46 | coldboot | If you add a certificate to the Certificate Manager, should both an entry for a certificate authority AND a certificate show up? |
| 19:38.48 | Khertan | not only in recent file menu ? |
| 19:38.55 | slonopotamus | Khertan, i filenames in 'open recent' list |
| 19:38.59 | coldboot | Because Mameo comes with tons of certificate authorities, but zero certificates. |
| 19:39.02 | slonopotamus | s/i /in / |
| 19:39.27 | konttori__ | full outer join works as: "First, an inner join is performed. Then, for each row in T1 that does not satisfy the join condition with any row in T2, a joined row is added with null values in columns of T2. Also, for each row of T2 that does not satisfy the join condition with any row in T1, a joined row with null values in the columns of T1 is added." |
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| 19:40.02 | konttori__ | right outer join would be: "First, an inner join is performed. Then, for each row in T2 that does not satisfy the join condition with any row in T1, a joined row is added with null values in columns of T1. This is the converse of a left join: the result table will unconditionally have a row for each row in T2." |
| 19:40.16 | coldboot | 123 |
| 19:40.25 | konttori__ | RST38h: ^ |
| 19:40.27 | coldboot | s/[0-9]/b/ |
| 19:40.34 | coldboot | foo |
| 19:40.52 | coldboot | s/foo/goo/ |
| 19:40.52 | Khertan | ok /... i ll fix it tomorrow ... |
| 19:40.52 | coldboot | Oh I guess infobot doesn't care about me. |
| 19:40.53 | lcuk | wazd quite amazing how you get yourself a lively full desktop in background of your faked up display and have remarkably accurate font listings :P |
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| 19:41.23 | slonopotamus | coldboot, :P |
| 19:41.36 | slonopotamus | s/:P/-.-/ |
| 19:41.37 | wazd | lcuk: that's an image from Maemo_5_GUI.psd :D |
| 19:41.47 | slonopotamus | s/:P/-.-/ |
| 19:41.51 | wazd | lcuk: I mean background |
| 19:41.57 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 19:42.09 | slonopotamus | it doesn't remember s/// msgs |
| 19:42.22 | slonopotamus | and continues replacing first one |
| 19:42.24 | slonopotamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.32 | slonopotamus | s/ /hello, maemo!/ |
| 19:42.39 | lcuk | cool |
| 19:42.46 | slonopotamus | s/ /yep, kinda/ |
| 19:42.50 | lcuk | thinks your sense of proportion is second to none |
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| 19:42.58 | MagicFab | hi all |
| 19:43.07 | MagicFab | I recently ressucitated my n810 |
| 19:43.13 | slonopotamus | lcuk, wazzup with proportion? |
| 19:43.14 | Anunakin | whats best price for pre-order a N900? |
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| 19:43.39 | MagicFab | there's a wrench icon on the boot splash.. can't remember why... I vaguely remember something abour r&d mode. SHould I try to revert to an original/previous firmware ? |
| 19:43.52 | slonopotamus | lcuk, i voted for you, whatever that means :) |
| 19:44.04 | lcuk | heh slonopotamus |
| 19:44.08 | lcuk | but i was talking to wazd |
| 19:44.09 | lcuk | :P |
| 19:44.22 | lcuk | thanks tho :$ :D |
| 19:44.31 | lcuk | knows he hasnt got a duck at least |
| 19:45.00 | lcuk | wazd |
| 19:45.07 | lcuk | well you have opened a can of worms.. |
| 19:45.10 | slonopotamus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.15 | lcuk | you included a color select nobble |
| 19:45.18 | wazd | konttori_: btw, I've noticed that you got both semi-transparent and opaque backgrounds for elements in your template. Is there any hidden meaning for that? :) |
| 19:45.22 | lcuk | and there isnt a fingerable color select |
| 19:45.37 | slonopotamus | ouch! fingerable color select? |
| 19:45.52 | slonopotamus | requests finger-controllable gimp |
| 19:45.55 | wazd | lcuk: whats wrong with my sense of proportions? :) |
| 19:46.14 | lcuk | "second to none" you are the best |
| 19:46.17 | lcuk | nothing at all :) |
| 19:46.22 | wazd | lcuk: oh :) |
| 19:46.24 | konttori__ | wazd: all widgets only support 1 bit alpha atm (so, buttons and such), but all composited elements support full alpha |
| 19:46.43 | konttori__ | we are actually working on supporting full alpha for everything, but weren't able to get that for sales |
| 19:47.01 | konttori__ | might come later on. |
| 19:47.17 | wazd | konttori_: that was my dream :D |
| 19:47.17 | konttori__ | problems with keeping the drawing speed up. Need to start using 2d acceleration on the SGX, which is problematic |
| 19:47.56 | lcuk | konttori_, javispedro has discovered the imgtec stuff and noticed n900 is signed upto openvg |
| 19:47.59 | wazd | konttori_: so, for example, touch sized checkbox supports full alpha? |
| 19:48.04 | lcuk | hopefully it can be used soon :) |
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| 19:48.41 | konttori__ | wazd: nope, that's a widget on GTK apps. |
| 19:48.55 | wazd | konttori_: oh, ok then :) |
| 19:49.15 | wazd | konttori_: and what's Special Character View? |
| 19:49.21 | lcuk | konttori_, you missed a great event in london - lots of beer and music and cool stuff to play with |
| 19:50.20 | wazd | fiferboy: btw, maybe it would be better to move previw row to the top |
| 19:50.27 | wazd | fiferboy: and color square too |
| 19:50.51 | fiferboy | wazd: Can do, but I'm not sure colour belongs in the font selection dialog |
| 19:50.56 | konttori__ | but, e.g. all applets have full alpha, as they are composited |
| 19:51.23 | wazd | fiferboy: oh, then you can do preview row 100% width :) |
| 19:51.26 | konttori__ | spec char view is the few special chars in virtual kb |
| 19:51.30 | wazd | fiferboy: it's even better :) |
| 19:51.34 | fiferboy | wazd: Very nice |
| 20:00.17 | wazd | konttori_: and another question, contact avatar mask - does it support grayscale or bnw only? |
| 20:00.45 | wazd | konttori_: or alpha, or whatever :) |
| 20:02.38 | GeneralAntilles | OMG |
| 20:02.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=331720&postcount=42 |
| 20:02.55 | GeneralAntilles | The council and maemo.org == communist cabal again. |
| 20:03.06 | Myrtti | communist cabals ⥠|
| 20:03.12 | Stskeeps | maemiran election 2009 |
| 20:03.39 | wazd | Mao Zeqole :D |
| 20:04.13 | rm_you | lol |
| 20:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | Just, fyi, it's shit like that that makes the council job unfun. |
| 20:07.11 | wazd | Guys, what do you think if home contacts will look like tiny polaroid photos? :) |
| 20:07.50 | wazd | And Ladies ofcourse :) |
| 20:08.52 | konttori__ | wazd: it supports full alpha |
| 20:12.13 | fiferboy | lcuk, wazd: http://andrew.olmsted.ca/maemo/screens/snapshot37.png |
| 20:13.01 | lcuk | slick! |
| 20:13.22 | fiferboy | Ignore the colours of the side buttons, scratchbox doesn't like scaling :| |
| 20:13.29 | wazd | fiferboy: nice, you can make buttos wider for easier finger access though |
| 20:13.34 | lcuk | wazd - how would fiferboy go to making the top of the dialog full width |
| 20:13.54 | lcuk | theres a full column at that side thats dead air |
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| 20:14.03 | fiferboy | Is there a HILDON_SIZE_WIDTH_FINGER? |
| 20:14.04 | wazd | lcuk: I meant 100% of that coloumn :) |
| 20:14.30 | lcuk | wazd the buttons are on the side of the screen |
| 20:14.36 | lcuk | they are fingerable without needing to be wider |
| 20:14.51 | lcuk | its only middle bits that really have to be concerned? |
| 20:15.07 | lcuk | or will the gutter get in the way |
| 20:15.07 | wazd | square buttons are more esthetic :P |
| 20:15.08 | lcuk | m |
| 20:15.30 | lcuk | bows to your judgement |
| 20:15.36 | fiferboy | They don't define a "finger width" for hildon sizes |
| 20:15.58 | fiferboy | Also, it would be nice if hildon toggle buttons in a vbox looked nice like they do in an hbox |
| 20:16.05 | wazd | fiferboy: can you just make their width in pixels? |
| 20:16.26 | fiferboy | wazd: Sure, if I knew what the "fingerable" width was |
| 20:17.22 | wazd | fiferboy: I have 64x64 in my mockup |
| 20:17.31 | wazd | fiferboy: just make the width same as height |
| 20:17.38 | wazd | fiferboy: it will look nice |
| 20:18.06 | fiferboy | wazd: The height is being calculated as 1/4 the available height (minus padding) - and not by me |
| 20:18.20 | fiferboy | wazd: 64 looks nice and square :D |
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| 20:18.52 | fiferboy | Hmm, now to add some actual functionality in... |
| 20:19.45 | lcuk | haha fifer |
| 20:20.12 | fiferboy | lcuk :( |
| 20:20.22 | lcuk | does it theoretically replace the functionality from the stock font select? |
| 20:20.44 | fiferboy | lcuk: Stock gtk? More or less |
| 20:21.13 | lcuk | ok ive got the one from xterm |
| 20:21.40 | lcuk | face, size, color, bolditalicunderlinestrike,positioning(normal,super,sub) |
| 20:21.42 | fiferboy | lcuk: That one provides fg and bg colour, mine won't (at least for the moment) |
| 20:22.00 | fiferboy | lcuk: family, stlye (b,i,u,s), and size |
| 20:22.05 | lcuk | xterm just has font color |
| 20:22.07 | fiferboy | No positioning for the moment |
| 20:22.09 | lcuk | not back color |
| 20:22.18 | fiferboy | lcuk: The second colour button does back colour, I think |
| 20:22.46 | fiferboy | Yup, at least in SDK it does... |
| 20:23.13 | lcuk | i see no back color |
| 20:23.16 | lcuk | in which app |
| 20:23.21 | lcuk | im in notes |
| 20:23.24 | fiferboy | osso-xterm |
| 20:24.13 | lcuk | osso has a fingerable select dialog of its own |
| 20:24.13 | lcuk | you are right, with 2 colors |
| 20:24.18 | lcuk | but the one in notes is completely different |
| 20:24.26 | lcuk | and like the font select everywhere else |
| 20:24.34 | lcuk | wtf |
| 20:24.45 | fiferboy | lcuk: Notes isn't available in SDK |
| 20:25.10 | lcuk | senses a bug report coming on |
| 20:25.18 | lcuk | ive been looking at standard font sel all the time |
| 20:26.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: I don't think there is a standard one yet - at least in the hildon libs |
| 20:26.25 | fiferboy | osso-xterm definitely rolls its own, and the one in the hildon git repo is deprecated |
| 20:27.55 | lcuk | downloads something with a std gtk dialog hopefully |
| 20:28.44 | fiferboy | lcuk: The standard gtk font dialog uses tiny scrollbars in maemo5 |
| 20:29.04 | aSIMULAtor | LOLOLOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GN9zpf5cT0M |
| 20:29.05 | fiferboy | lcuk: And the standard gtk color dialog uses even tinier number selectors |
| 20:30.22 | lcuk | nods |
| 20:31.36 | lcuk | fiferboy, 3rd type of font selector seen in system |
| 20:32.18 | fiferboy | lcuk: Are any of them fully fingerable and usable? |
| 20:32.24 | lcuk | xterm one is beautifully so |
| 20:32.35 | lcuk | except it does the font std |
| 20:32.37 | lcuk | font bold |
| 20:32.40 | lcuk | font ital |
| 20:32.41 | fiferboy | lcuk: Except the colour part |
| 20:32.42 | lcuk | in same list |
| 20:33.04 | ShadowJK | wazd, oh now I see where you got the parallax idea from :) |
| 20:33.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: I'm not sure if that is the best way... |
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| 20:36.58 | fiferboy | Got to go |
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| 20:37.17 | lcuk | ok fiferboy digging at this |
| 20:37.26 | fiferboy | Thanks |
| 20:37.29 | lcuk | cool start tho, miffed theres so many variations |
| 20:37.57 | wazd | ShadowJK: Sonic the Hedgehog? :D |
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| 20:40.04 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 20:40.29 | ShadowJK | I never realized before that the icons on teh N900 desktop, and the desktop background have parallax effect when scrolling :) |
| 20:40.58 | wazd | ShadowJK: ah |
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| 20:41.36 | wazd | I wonder if this mechanism is hackable to add more layers :) |
| 20:46.29 | MaceN8x0 | hm |
| 20:47.59 | Stskeeps | mm? |
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| 20:49.11 | MaceN8x0 | was just thinking about the touchbook i am still waiting on |
| 20:49.38 | MaceN8x0 | doesn't the n900 have a similar opengles gpu than the n810? |
| 20:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | MaceN8x0, not really. |
| 20:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | They're both PowerVR |
| 20:50.03 | GeneralAntilles | But the SGX is a lot faster than the MBX. |
| 20:50.49 | lcuk | aSIMULAter, that vid is a bit mental and odd |
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| 20:58.35 | lcuk | hey javispedro \o |
| 20:58.38 | lcuk | you get my mail? |
| 20:58.56 | javispedro | yes |
| 20:59.08 | lcuk | nods |
| 20:59.18 | penguinbait | hey where do I get my "I voted for lcuk" pin |
| 20:59.36 | Mek | voting is supposed to be anonymous :P |
| 20:59.52 | lcuk | its actually an under layer on the "fixed in fremantle" pins |
| 20:59.56 | lcuk | available from maemo.org |
| 21:00.04 | javispedro | fixed in fremantle? bah, outdated |
| 21:00.10 | javispedro | fixed in harmattan is the new cool |
| 21:00.32 | penguinbait | I thought it was shipped with pandora? |
| 21:00.44 | lcuk | delivered by flying car no less |
| 21:00.51 | javispedro | "shipped wth the pandora" :D |
| 21:00.51 | lcuk | with duke nukem forever preinstalled |
| 21:00.57 | penguinbait | lol |
| 21:01.04 | javispedro | that's a good answer for bug 7000 |
| 21:01.51 | lcuk | ok im goin recording a short video |
| 21:02.16 | penguinbait | of? |
| 21:02.33 | lcuk | my we are maemo text :) |
| 21:02.36 | penguinbait | porn, election, comedy |
| 21:02.47 | lcuk | people have requested a recital |
| 21:02.57 | lcuk | god knows how its gonna sound |
| 21:02.57 | javispedro | penguinbait: a mix of all that |
| 21:03.06 | lcuk | but it had rolled round my head for long enough |
| 21:03.07 | penguinbait | heh |
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| 21:05.57 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 21:06.18 | GeneralAntilles | People worried about the N900's resistive screen being more prone to earlobe-hangups than the iPhone |
| 21:06.25 | coldboot | Is there a way to add WLAN certificates at the command-line? |
| 21:06.29 | GeneralAntilles | Talk, what new low will you stoop to today? |
| 21:06.34 | javispedro | pft. |
| 21:06.45 | lcuk | the phone on the device is amazing |
| 21:07.00 | lcuk | there used to be a black hole where i couldnt talk near the office |
| 21:07.09 | lcuk | (the only place i could huddle out of the wind..) |
| 21:07.20 | lcuk | it works nicely with n900! |
| 21:07.34 | lcuk | also means higher phone bills tho |
| 21:07.43 | lcuk | cos i cant get out of a call by complaining its cold |
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| 21:13.29 | Firebird | wonder if vBulletin has a plugin to filter topics with multiple question marks |
| 21:15.04 | ArSa | yes, it's called greasemonkey :P |
| 21:16.43 | Firebird | sticks a fork in ArSa |
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| 21:20.48 | GeneralAntilles | Christ, they're PMing me about OTG now. |
| 21:21.22 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: aha, someone has discovered your important role in the n900 pcb design |
| 21:21.33 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:21.41 | GeneralAntilles | This guy can go fuck himself. |
| 21:21.44 | lardman | evening chaps |
| 21:21.47 | RST38h | KILL THEM ALL BEFORE THEY GET YOU |
| 21:21.54 | RST38h | DESTROY DESTROY |
| 21:21.57 | lcuk | hi lardman |
| 21:22.07 | lardman | wonders if he can escape unnoticed... |
| 21:22.10 | javispedro | wb lardman |
| 21:22.13 | lcuk | too late |
| 21:22.13 | javispedro | no. |
| 21:22.17 | lardman | :) |
| 21:22.22 | RST38h | notices lardman and nails him to the door |
| 21:22.45 | lardman | ouch! |
| 21:23.00 | lardman | think Worms |
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| 21:24.36 | RST38h | Shit, I am tired :( |
| 21:24.37 | lardman | argh, really annoying, need to reply to someone but can't remember where I stashed the email |
| 21:24.48 | RST38h | VDVsx: Could you do something small for me? |
| 21:24.54 | lardman | RST38h: all that playing with nail guns I bet! |
| 21:25.14 | GeneralAntilles | It's interesting that Ford is advertising turbo on performance sedans as a "green" feature. |
| 21:25.16 | VDVsx | RST38h, sure |
| 21:25.23 | GeneralAntilles | "ecoboost" |
| 21:25.41 | lardman | turbocharging is more economical |
| 21:26.16 | lardman | than a larger displacement non-turbo engine |
| 21:26.20 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, sure, larger engine-like performance with small engine economy most of the time. |
| 21:26.29 | GeneralAntilles | But these are 6-cylinder performance sedans. |
| 21:26.55 | lardman | does the small print say "more economical than the V12 we would otherwise have had to fit"? ;) |
| 21:27.29 | RST38h | you want green, buy Civic VX |
| 21:27.33 | ShadowJK | just upgraded to a newer car |
| 21:27.42 | RST38h | the one they killed because it "lacked the dynamics" |
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| 21:30.54 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, now we're onto the personal attacks. |
| 21:32.38 | Stskeeps | "OTG or i kill your cat!" |
| 21:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | is really goddamn tired of Talk. |
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| 21:37.27 | lardman | recommends Action |
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| 21:45.07 | javispedro | *yawn* |
| 21:45.32 | javispedro | so, where is the blood on tmo? |
| 21:46.27 | GeneralAntilles | In my PM box at the moment. |
| 21:46.45 | javispedro | ah, well. |
| 21:47.04 | javispedro | a public sacrifice will be fine too. maemo gods are hungry. |
| 21:47.50 | lcuk | well they are sacrificing themselves at his alter |
| 21:47.57 | lcuk | his just not happy at so many PMs |
| 21:47.59 | lcuk | hes |
| 21:48.15 | RST38h | Blood? Where? Where's blood? |
| 21:48.19 | lcuk | really should give up spelling and get back to code |
| 21:48.43 | javispedro | lcuk: was dis spelink u sai? |
| 21:49.08 | javispedro | i not qnow any spelink |
| 21:49.17 | lcuk | eye wantid tu just maek it wurk |
| 21:49.42 | lcuk | and shockingly, it looks just the same as normal irc |
| 21:49.48 | javispedro | oh |
| 21:49.55 | javispedro | :) |
| 21:49.59 | RST38h | any geniuses able to analyze strace output? |
| 21:50.10 | javispedro | to extract what? |
| 21:50.18 | RST38h | to extract the difference |
| 21:50.26 | RST38h | work/no-work |
| 21:50.38 | sp3000 | meh, don't spell yourself, just do what pro haxors do, copy-paste something similar to what you want to say and randomly remove half of the things you don't understand |
| 21:50.47 | lardman | lol @ pandora site |
| 21:50.47 | javispedro | smells hardwork and flees ;) |
| 21:50.56 | sp3000 | has code-review-itis |
| 21:52.26 | lardman | fires up his N800 |
| 21:52.28 | javispedro | so, how are your poetry skills lcuk? the populace will soon require you to sing a soon or else die at the god's altar |
| 21:52.45 | RST38h | javis: You are witholding facts |
| 21:53.08 | RST38h | javis: The facts are that not dying is not really an option =) |
| 21:53.41 | javispedro | hah, poor lcuk :) |
| 21:54.28 | javispedro | #define SIZEOF_NULLCHAR sizeof('\0') |
| 21:55.08 | RST38h | Ok, BeyondCompare analyzed strace output for me |
| 21:55.18 | RST38h | Good proggy, won't get uninstalled today |
| 21:55.30 | javispedro | heh. |
| 21:55.34 | javispedro | actually, not a bad idea |
| 21:55.45 | javispedro | usually you'll disable heap randomization before getting the traces |
| 21:55.55 | javispedro | and just do manual diff |
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| 21:56.03 | javispedro | s/manual// |
| 21:57.56 | lcuk | looks at python curiously |
| 21:58.20 | javispedro | lcuk: no, you have to sing a song. singing python doesn't count. |
| 21:58.30 | javispedro | ;P |
| 21:59.03 | lcuk | gulps |
| 21:59.09 | lcuk | at what he might start here |
| 21:59.37 | lcuk | python is so slow tho |
| 21:59.57 | lcuk | wants the future now! |
| 22:00.01 | javispedro | that's what you get. the question is the usual programmer time vs cpu time cost. |
| 22:00.09 | lcuk | javispedro, i deffo need a new backend |
| 22:00.18 | lardman | anyone know what the gstreamer trick is to flip the N800 video? |
| 22:00.26 | javispedro | a backend is not something I'd write in python :P |
| 22:00.33 | lcuk | i will have to use (spit) some kind of 1:1 surface that may not be yuv eventually |
| 22:01.00 | lardman | I wonder if the weather is changing, my shoulders hurt |
| 22:01.24 | Vulcanis | is there any easy way to make new osk layouts for the n8x0? I'd kinda like to make it so that - is there without having to shift. |
| 22:01.46 | javispedro | heh. Windows CE 6 R3 gets both Flash and Silverlight. |
| 22:02.10 | javispedro | from the company that didn't like shipping every pack of 6 cans of coca cola with one pepsi cola |
| 22:02.35 | lcuk | curious |
| 22:02.36 | lcuk | # /home/svn/libliqbase-0.3/include/liqcell.h: 119 |
| 22:02.36 | lcuk | if hasattr(_libs['liqbase'], 'liqcell_quickcreatevis'): |
| 22:02.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.13 | lcuk | i wonder if it will work.. |
| 22:03.17 | javispedro | swig? |
| 22:03.28 | lcuk | ctypesgen |
| 22:04.09 | lcuk | its dragged in all the defines for x11 and stuff tho |
| 22:04.13 | javispedro | looks good |
| 22:04.14 | lcuk | its 186kb |
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| 22:04.32 | javispedro | so you're wrapping the liqbase api in a python mod? |
| 22:04.49 | lcuk | just looking at feasibility |
| 22:04.59 | lardman | for reference, to filp the video on the N800, use the gconfv4l2src source |
| 22:05.02 | lcuk | i really want to make a liqbase widget in .py |
| 22:05.06 | lcuk | thats gonna be harder tho |
| 22:05.07 | javispedro | yeah |
| 22:05.09 | lardman | s/filip/flip/ |
| 22:05.13 | lcuk | cos they are .so binaries |
| 22:05.14 | lardman | oh dear |
| 22:05.16 | javispedro | it's feasible for sure |
| 22:05.19 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:05.25 | lcuk | same thing that hildon does |
| 22:05.28 | javispedro | and a good idea I think |
| 22:06.41 | lcuk | nods |
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| 22:13.23 | frals | incase you havent seen this one before, i found it pretty funny: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary?utm_source=embedded_video |
| 22:14.27 | *** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Community council election -> http://tinyurl.com/n9j9pa | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0, use Mer instead |
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| 22:16.55 | lardman | ~lart bloody Nautilus for crashing all the time when using sftp |
| 22:16.55 | infobot | gives bloody Nautilus a good seeing to for crashing all the time when using sftp |
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| 22:25.25 | RST38h | lardman: Real geeks scp from command line! =) |
| 22:26.34 | RST38h | will sit this bug out |
| 22:26.48 | lardman | yeah I know |
| 22:26.54 | lardman | :) |
| 22:27.09 | johnsq | lardman: rsync -e ssh |
| 22:28.03 | RST38h | it has got its weirdness, but I have got patience, flasher, and strace |
| 22:28.30 | lardman | can anyone remember if the N800 camera data starts with the Y or the U/V? |
| 22:28.42 | RST38h | oh |
| 22:29.05 | lcuk | unsigned long p= *UYVY++; |
| 22:29.30 | lcuk | lardman, its that weird format |
| 22:29.43 | lardman | yeah |
| 22:30.01 | lcuk | / ok a 32bit long contains UYVY |
| 22:30.01 | lcuk | unsigned long * UYVY = (unsigned long *)data; |
| 22:30.44 | lardman | the data is in bytes though |
| 22:31.05 | lardman | is the first byte a Y or a U/V? |
| 22:31.10 | lcuk | U |
| 22:31.19 | lcuk | Y |
| 22:31.20 | lcuk | V |
| 22:31.23 | lcuk | Y |
| 22:31.26 | lardman | ok |
| 22:31.49 | Proteous | a/s/l |
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| 22:35.27 | lardman | in a slice I can do this: var(::2) to get every other value, but I don't think I can do this can I? var(1::2) |
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| 22:38.14 | lardman | I'm getting this error: TypeError: sequence index must be integer, not 'slice' |
| 22:38.25 | lardman | on this line of code: gbuffer = buffer[1:len(buffer):2] |
| 22:38.28 | lardman | any ideas? |
| 22:39.11 | lardman | buffer is a string |
| 22:39.46 | lcuk | lardman, im stressin over python too nwo! |
| 22:39.47 | lcuk | now |
| 22:39.50 | javispedro | lardman: |
| 22:39.52 | lcuk | for different reason lol |
| 22:39.57 | javispedro | erm |
| 22:40.06 | javispedro | lardman: i think python does not support that operation on strings |
| 22:40.15 | lardman | hmm, ok |
| 22:40.16 | javispedro | at least on older versions iirc |
| 22:40.22 | lardman | what could I turn it into then? |
| 22:40.46 | javispedro | erm |
| 22:40.46 | javispedro | wait |
| 22:40.54 | javispedro | python2.5 on my pc supports it |
| 22:40.55 | lardman | http://www.python.org/doc/2.3.5/whatsnew/section-slices.html |
| 22:41.02 | lardman | apparently they should support it |
| 22:41.09 | lardman | as I'm using 2.5.x |
| 22:41.10 | javispedro | note "However, Python's built-in list, tuple, and string sequence types have never supported this feature, raising a TypeError if you tried it. Michael Hudson contributed a patch to fix this shortcoming. " |
| 22:41.21 | javispedro | but yes, they work here in 2.5 |
| 22:41.32 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.49 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: I knew OTG was just going to end up a hornet's nest even though most people would never end up using it anyways. |
| 22:42.01 | lardman | also works for me |
| 22:42.20 | javispedro | that's weird. maybe buffer is not a string? |
| 22:42.48 | lardman | yeah, just checking that one |
| 22:43.01 | lardman | is returned from gstreamer |
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| 22:43.01 | javispedro | well, going to bed. see you |
| 22:43.07 | lardman | thought I'd converted it though |
| 22:43.11 | lardman | night javispedro |
| 22:43.15 | javispedro | gst has gstbuffer |
| 22:43.16 | javispedro | gnite |
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| 23:10.28 | felipec | yay! I just got vorbis decoder using less than 10% of the CPU on the N900 |
| 23:10.52 | felipec | that's as good as the mp3 one... maybe a bit better |
| 23:11.11 | lardman | good stuff |
| 23:11.27 | lardman | using neon? |
| 23:12.06 | felipec | lardman: yeap... FFmpeg: http://github.com/felipec/gst-av |
| 23:12.57 | felipec | they just added a few NEON optimizations that help vorbis |
| 23:13.40 | lardman | should make people happy anyway :) |
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| 23:14.09 | felipec | lardman: well, I am :) |
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| 23:15.46 | lardman | that's the most important of course :) |
| 23:20.39 | pupnik_ | wow woglinde's qtnx feels 20 times faster thzan vnc |
| 23:21.53 | pupnik_ | but all my bitmaps nare busted, with nthese diagonol lines of "data" across them. |
| 23:25.37 | lardman | anyone know what happens to printfs in C code that makes up a Python extension? |
| 23:25.47 | lardman | do they get eaten, or should they be displayed? |
| 23:26.23 | lcuk | liqbase just showed a load of console as normal |
| 23:27.19 | lardman | hmm, I don't see anything at all |
| 23:27.28 | lcuk | lardman, if you are running your .py from console it should just show i think |
| 23:27.39 | lcuk | <lcuk> # ./liqbase_test.py |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 ######################################################## |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 |
| 23:27.40 | lcuk | <lcuk> 23:48:01 Welcome to pyliqbase ver 0.1 |
| 23:27.56 | lardman | that's from the C code then? |
| 23:27.57 | lcuk | all that is within the liqapp_init() func |
| 23:28.06 | lcuk | the py just calls it |
| 23:28.22 | lardman | using plain printf, or fprintf(stdout), etc? |
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| 23:29.14 | lcuk | printf("%s ",buf); |
| 23:29.14 | lcuk | vprintf(logentry, arg); |
| 23:29.19 | lcuk | time part is the printf |
| 23:29.25 | lcuk | vprintf is the main debug line |
| 23:29.35 | lardman | ok |
| 23:29.36 | lcuk | it does a fflush(stdout); |
| 23:29.37 | lardman | thanks |
| 23:29.38 | lcuk | after |
| 23:31.58 | lardman | oh I'm a muppet |
| 23:32.14 | lardman | it was outputting, just thought the message was created by the python code |
| 23:32.16 | lardman | doh! |
| 23:34.41 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:34.52 | lardman | even worse to come |
| 23:35.04 | lardman | just realised that I'd left in a debugging return statement |
| 23:35.14 | lardman | was wondering why the bloody thing wasn't working! |
| 23:35.22 | lardman | never got run! |
| 23:35.27 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:35.30 | lcuk | classy! |
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| 23:39.44 | lcuk | closed wrong window |
| 23:41.08 | felipec | anybody knows a place where I can download a bunch free vorbis clips? |
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| 23:43.20 | lardman | nah, I had real troubles finding anything very much |
| 23:43.24 | lardman | wikipedia perhaps? |
| 23:44.14 | dropcode | can anybody here help me install python purple in redhat? |
| 23:44.31 | lardman | ~lart libdmtx |
| 23:44.31 | infobot | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, libdmtx, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 23:45.41 | felipec | hmm, there was this sxsw 2009 that was free, but they're MP3s :( |
| 23:46.15 | bbigras | felipec: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sound/list |
| 23:46.50 | lardman | http://www.fsf.org/resources/formats/playogg/sites |
| 23:49.54 | GeneralAntilles | It's all a sham! |
| 23:49.57 | GeneralAntilles | Christ |
| 23:50.06 | GeneralAntilles | How do you get that paranoid? |
| 23:51.09 | lardman | hmm, stuck in dmtxDecodeCreate() |
| 23:51.21 | lardman | bed time for me, cu all tomorrow |
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| 23:51.24 | felipec | bbigras: not bad :) |
| 23:53.40 | bbigras | yes, I think I saw that link today in an article on lifehacker about productivity at work with music |
| 23:54.18 | bbigras | http://lifehacker.com/5365012/the-best-sounds-for-getting-work-done |
| 23:54.42 | pupnik_ | Corrupt /garbled bitmaps in qtnx fixed by switching from png to jpg compression |
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| 23:57.50 | pupnik_ | freenx is so much faster than vnc over wlan it isnt even funny |
| 23:58.21 | zerojay | GeneralAntilles: Puppet! lol |
| 23:59.19 | pupnik_ | woglinde - also german umlauts working here, but i cannot get any fn+ keys to work, so shell is not usable atm |
