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| 00:02.13 | javispedro | guillotines the poor line rider |
| 00:02.32 | javispedro | uoh |
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| 00:10.57 | pupnik_ | that's just the funniest nick |
| 00:11.00 | pupnik_ | disco- |
| 00:11.27 | Firebird | javispedro, heh, don't refer to it as line rider, before I get sued >_> |
| 00:11.37 | Firebird | call him: "The figure" :D |
| 00:12.00 | pupnik_ | call it 'Calvin and Hobbes' crazy sled ride' |
| 00:12.18 | pupnik_ | and get permission |
| 00:13.34 | javispedro | creates a "The figure" distiller: figure goes in, organs go out :) |
| 00:15.08 | Firebird | hmm, wonder how obvious it is that you can rotate the spawn |
| 00:15.15 | RST38h | javis: There is an SCP for that |
| 00:16.20 | javispedro | Firebird: well, I don't see how :P |
| 00:16.37 | Firebird | javispedro, push and hold the spawn |
| 00:16.56 | javispedro | I see. |
| 00:17.04 | javispedro | I saw the "handle" to rotate it |
| 00:17.16 | javispedro | if you could make it so that tapping in the handle would rotate it... |
| 00:17.47 | Firebird | heh, it was intended to point to the current direction |
| 00:18.06 | javispedro | I understand it now, but ... heh, it seemed a handle :) |
| 00:18.27 | javispedro | btw, what's the "Flag" button for? Other than printf'ing "flagith" ;) |
| 00:18.35 | Firebird | nothing yet? |
| 00:18.40 | javispedro | ah |
| 00:18.47 | Firebird | haven't bothered coding it yet |
| 00:19.01 | javispedro | i've not played the flash game either so I have no idea |
| 00:19.03 | Firebird | likewise, there's no load function |
| 00:19.33 | Firebird | javispedro, its supposed to make it so you can set the flag and spawn from the flag at speed or whatever happens at that point |
| 00:19.52 | javispedro | aha |
| 00:20.19 | javispedro | and the diferent line colors? :D (is that documented somewhere?) |
| 00:20.56 | javispedro | (not a complain, just curious) |
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| 00:21.13 | Firebird | javispedro, not at all :P, the orange one makes you increase speed in current direction, the tan one are like brakes |
| 00:21.25 | Firebird | *is |
| 00:21.38 | javispedro | ah, thanks! |
| 00:21.54 | Firebird | that's why the guy is slanted forward in the icon |
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| 00:22.57 | Firebird | javispedro, you can also edit after pausing if you haven't tried that yet |
| 00:23.43 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: ohloh is our friend |
| 00:23.49 | timeless_mbp | karma by ohloh, please :) |
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| 00:27.49 | javispedro | Firebird: every time I try the same track something different happens. I don't know if that's intentional (changing the box2d timesteps?) but is funny :) |
| 00:28.36 | Firebird | yea, box2d isn't that consistent heh |
| 00:28.56 | Firebird | I guess it adds to the game play sort of.. "Make your tracks robust for change" |
| 00:28.59 | javispedro | :) |
| 00:29.16 | javispedro | but box2d should be consistent by itself, it's not like it reads /dev/random ;) |
| 00:29.19 | Firebird | it also seems to repeat it self like every other simulation is the same |
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| 00:30.56 | ShadowJK | hah, kernel just blew up when apt-get install tried to restart the media player related stuff. MMU and DSP related errors in dmesg, and the kernel is being confused running around in circles trying to free more and more memory, 70 megs free and increasing :) |
| 00:31.02 | ShadowJK | 81M free... |
| 00:31.27 | ShadowJK | Ah it gave up... |
| 00:31.37 | ShadowJK | waits for userspace to come back from swap |
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| 00:34.58 | crashanddie_ | bloody hell |
| 00:35.04 | crashanddie_ | far cry 2 is the worst game ever |
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| 00:45.30 | RST38h | "...in posession of or being posessed by..." |
| 00:45.54 | Firebird | is that a question? |
| 00:46.41 | RST38h | in full, it was "Personnel trying to exit unit 19-633 in possession of or being possessed by SCP-633 are to be terminated immediately." |
| 00:47.01 | crashanddie_ | nice |
| 00:47.09 | crashanddie_ | so what's SCP-633? |
| 00:47.14 | crashanddie_ | An object? |
| 00:47.15 | crashanddie_ | Robot? |
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| 00:47.35 | Khertan_BSG | Hi again ! |
| 00:47.36 | RST38h | "SCP-633 has been identified as a symbiotic organism which resembles an unkempt beard, reddish-brown in hue and of substantial volume. While aware of its surroundings, SCP-633 has the initial instinct to seek out an adult male in its range of cognizance: if it finds a suitable host, it will temporarily attach itself to their face" |
| 00:47.36 | crashanddie_ | would make sense if it possesses you and then terminates you :P |
| 00:47.52 | RST38h | worse |
| 00:47.58 | RST38h | it makes you seek a mirror. |
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| 00:56.15 | pupnik_ | i should get electrolysis |
| 00:57.03 | pupnik_ | maybe you could burn em off with isopropyl alcohol |
| 00:57.16 | pupnik_ | nominates crashanddie_ |
| 00:57.46 | crashanddie_ | pupnik_, can't |
| 00:57.51 | crashanddie_ | pupnik_, don't have enough karma :D |
| 00:57.58 | HeckleJeckle | general question for c gtk+ programming - anyone got recommendations for an open source project in c/gtk+ that can serve as a good example for a beginner in both |
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| 00:58.21 | RST38h | maemopad |
| 00:58.38 | RST38h | there is probably a generic gtk helloworld example too |
| 00:58.39 | pupnik_ | HeckleJeckle: you would like to develop for maemo? or general gtk |
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| 00:59.08 | pupnik_ | I've got lots of things |
| 00:59.18 | pupnik_ | lets see - lopster UI needs a rework for 800x480 |
| 00:59.36 | pupnik_ | that's a nice gtk grind :D |
| 01:00.47 | pupnik_ | also got about three things to do with hildon that are bout as easy as 'hello world' but actually useful to me |
| 01:07.13 | Firebird | hmm, are things that aren't mine supposed to show up on my build queue? |
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| 01:15.18 | wazd | wee, I've made parallax demo for my blog :) |
| 01:19.19 | wazd | http://maemo.zhil.in/flash/flash.html 8) |
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| 02:26.02 | GAN800 | WALL-E is such a great movie. |
| 02:29.08 | RST38h | Next time you eat kiwi, remember this: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/154/382549191_23a5b724d5_o.jpg |
| 02:30.26 | wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/09/13/fremantle-parallax-background/ <- comment! :) |
| 02:30.57 | wazd | GAN800: were you crying? :) |
| 02:31.03 | RST38h | wazd: so, you want to be able to place widgets at different layers? |
| 02:31.14 | wazd | RST38h: no, just background |
| 02:31.19 | RST38h | so that the bottom widgets do not scroll with the background? |
| 02:31.27 | wazd | RST38h: it's kinda useless for widgets IMO :) |
| 02:32.07 | RST38h | no no |
| 02:32.10 | RST38h | consider this: |
| 02:32.11 | wazd | RST38h: it's just an eye-candy that never been made before |
| 02:32.23 | GAN800 | wazd, my eyes were a little wet the first time I saw it. ;) |
| 02:32.45 | RST38h | I want to keep some widgets present at all desktops while I want other widgets to only be present at one desktop |
| 02:33.00 | RST38h | So I place immobile widgets at the bottom layer and mobile widgets at the top layer |
| 02:33.23 | wazd | RST38h: well, that's a neat idea :) |
| 02:33.35 | RST38h | (of course it will all be confusing to the user, but we are not currently talking of the user, are we?) |
| 02:33.49 | wazd | RST38h: nono, screw user :D |
| 02:34.10 | wazd | damn, I've made really cool demo :) |
| 02:34.20 | wazd | can stare at it for hours :) |
| 02:35.20 | RST38h | add animals now! =) |
| 02:35.48 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, I was thinking bout adding birds :) |
| 02:36.03 | RST38h | giraffe would also do nicely |
| 02:36.08 | wazd | RST38h: or a powerline :) |
| 02:36.15 | RST38h | that would be easy |
| 02:37.03 | wazd | it's incredible how such a simple trich gives such a srong #D effect :) |
| 02:37.21 | wazd | trick* |
| 02:37.41 | RST38h | yea, SNES and Genesis coders knew it long ago ;) |
| 02:37.44 | wazd | blurred tree makes it even more beleiveable :) |
| 02:37.55 | RST38h | looks almost like a video |
| 02:38.04 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 02:38.24 | wazd | RST38h: 6:40 AM, wake up :D |
| 02:39.01 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: can you push Nokia to do something like the new Zaurus, but with cellphone + BT capabilities? |
| 02:39.40 | wazd | luke-jr: he's Nokia CEO, of course he can :) |
| 02:39.44 | luke-jr | XD |
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| 03:18.14 | b-man16 | hello |
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| 03:40.09 | zerojayPC | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=326035&postcount=296 <-- Yes, portrait mode for the entire OS will only take two weeks to add. lol |
| 03:40.56 | GAN800 | lol |
| 03:41.10 | zerojayPC | Just.. like... how fucking high do you have to be to think that's possible? |
| 03:41.15 | GAN800 | It'd take less than that if it'd done at the wm. |
| 03:41.25 | GAN800 | It's sachin |
| 03:41.32 | GAN800 | He's often like that. |
| 03:42.03 | luke-jr | zerojayPC: huh? randr shouldn't be difficult |
| 03:42.12 | zerojayPC | It's not about randr. |
| 03:42.13 | luke-jr | provided the apps are sanely developed to work with any window size |
| 03:42.38 | luke-jr | btw http://projects.powerdeveloper.org/project/imx515/774 |
| 03:43.13 | luke-jr | hopefully I can get that new Zaurus supported before it's even released? haha |
| 03:43.19 | luke-jr | I think it comes out Sep 25, so probably not |
| 03:43.59 | zerojayPC | Good luck. |
| 03:44.55 | luke-jr | hopefully the dev kit will include docs needed to add a webcam and cell phoen to it |
| 03:44.57 | luke-jr | <.< |
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| 05:02.59 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: right, i have no control over management/direction |
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| 05:50.18 | unixSnob | Why would the Maemo SDK need LaTeX? |
| 05:52.07 | chx | to write docs |
| 05:55.45 | unixSnob | that's silly. developers don't need to write docs in their sdk environment |
| 05:56.15 | pupnik | who developed that bounce game for n900 |
| 05:56.57 | unixSnob | it's like distributing openoffice.org with an sdk |
| 05:59.05 | chx | maybe there is a dvi viewer in maemo5? |
| 06:00.15 | chx | that would, by the way, rock so hard |
| 06:00.18 | chx | i would not believe it |
| 06:02.13 | chx | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:05.07 | unixSnob | chx: it would indeed be a bloated OS that includes a dvi viewer |
| 06:05.19 | unixSnob | it's especially bloatware for a portable os |
| 06:05.29 | chx | is that so |
| 06:06.12 | chx | my memory is rusty |
| 06:06.29 | unixSnob | texlive is certainly large |
| 06:06.29 | chx | but i believe there were tex systems that happily fit on a single floppy drive |
| 06:07.25 | chx | LaTex: TeX typesetting system for UNIX-like systems, with AMS-Tex (from American Mathematical Society) package and the famous Lyx word processor + dvips, xdvi, etc. All that, in a single floppy disk! |
| 06:07.29 | chx | http://mulinux.nevalabs.org/ |
| 06:07.29 | unixSnob | i'm not saying it's not useful to have, but it doesn't belong in an os |
| 06:08.11 | chx | well, i have not used tex since i handed in my masters thesis |
| 06:08.41 | unixSnob | or an sdk |
| 06:08.56 | unixSnob | i use it to write letters |
| 06:09.38 | unixSnob | and autogenerate test reports |
| 06:11.07 | unixSnob | but i don't see how it's needed to make an sdk complete. an sdk can be quite complete without it |
| 06:11.51 | unixSnob | the reason i'm particularly keen on bitching about it is my sdk installation is failing because of a texlive conflict |
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| 06:38.51 | unixSnob | how can I find out what tools are available to install using maemo-sdk? |
| 06:39.21 | unixSnob | "maemo-sdk install tools etch-2008" implies that "etch-2008" is one option... what are the others? |
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| 06:51.36 | vasily_pupkin | Hi! Anybody know, does wifi driver in Mer support injection? |
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| 07:24.00 | Macer | ugh |
| 07:27.33 | Macer | Message Name:Timeout expired. The timeout period elapsed prior to completion of the operation or the server is not responding. |
| 07:27.36 | Macer | wtf |
| 07:27.38 | Macer | shitty bank |
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| 08:13.31 | johnx | hallo all |
| 08:19.31 | lbt | morning johnx |
| 08:19.38 | johnx | mornin' |
| 08:20.07 | lbt | sigh... I have to setup Kerberos/LDAP here |
| 08:20.20 | lbt | need to do a presentation for an interview |
| 08:21.07 | johnx | yeah, it was a little bit of a pain to make the LDAP simple auth work with the krb5 backend |
| 08:21.44 | johnx | but that was probably because I was new to LDAP |
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| 08:22.41 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 08:22.59 | johnx | morning :) |
| 08:23.04 | johnx | how are your new digs? |
| 08:23.19 | Stskeeps | digs? |
| 08:23.41 | johnx | the place where you live |
| 08:23.46 | johnx | sorry, US english I think |
| 08:23.49 | Stskeeps | ah, they're okay |
| 08:23.58 | Stskeeps | i have a good view to all landing planes of warsaw, so |
| 08:28.02 | unixSnob | what rootstrap version maps to 5.2008.43-7 ? |
| 08:28.15 | unixSnob | rootstrap versions seem to have different numbering |
| 08:28.21 | Macer | National Geographic: Seed Hunter |
| 08:28.23 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 08:28.27 | Macer | sounds exciting :) |
| 08:28.51 | Macer | i wonder what types of stealth it takes to pounce on the seeds |
| 08:29.06 | unixSnob | Macer: that's just a precursor to bounty hunting.. it's the first step |
| 08:30.06 | Macer | haha |
| 08:30.27 | Macer | i wonder what types of weapons the seed hunter uses |
| 08:30.32 | Macer | armed with his killer shovel |
| 08:30.56 | Macer | and a knife to fend off vicious seed eating birds from their prey |
| 08:31.35 | Macer | camoflauged seed holding buckets for the kill |
| 08:32.25 | unixSnob | Macer: timing is everything. You have to attack before the seed grows into a thorny skin destroying organism |
| 08:34.06 | Macer | oh i'm sure |
| 08:34.24 | Macer | not to mention you have to make sure the parent plant is asleep as to avoid its wrath |
| 08:34.56 | Macer | i'm starting to think that national geographic is running out of things to make videos about :) |
| 08:35.06 | unixSnob | Macer: and you have to make sure it's not a genetically modified seed, or you could get sued by the farmer |
| 08:35.16 | Stskeeps | next up, national geographic going into pornography |
| 08:35.42 | unixSnob | yes.. porky pine sex.. I've always wanted to see how that works |
| 08:36.04 | unixSnob | the ultimate organism for sex and violence |
| 08:36.42 | Proteous | heh |
| 08:38.48 | Macer | ah yes |
| 08:39.15 | Macer | as we can see from which evolutionary stage spousal abouse stems from |
| 08:40.48 | Macer | the UK office show isn't that funny |
| 08:40.54 | Macer | i suppose british humor |
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| 09:06.19 | Macer | man i'm actually glad i had a problem with comcast |
| 09:06.37 | Macer | they had a speed upgrade that costs the same as my current lease and igot like 2x the speed since i leased it about a year and a half ago |
| 09:06.40 | Macer | awesome |
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| 09:17.59 | ShellEvil | lead free is not as good in most ways. It requrires higher temps which risks damaging older stuff, requires more active fluxes leading to corrosion risks, wets many materials less well, creates dendrites especially in damp conditions, ... |
| 09:18.02 | ShellEvil | oops |
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| 09:42.39 | unixSnob | why would a maemo-sdk installation destroy procmail scripts in a users home folder? |
| 09:44.07 | Meizirkki | ~ping |
| 09:44.08 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 09:45.10 | Meizirkki | ~firmware |
| 09:45.11 | infobot | i guess firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/ |
| 09:45.16 | Meizirkki | nah |
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| 09:52.12 | ShellEvil | Firmware is embedded programming, often unchangeable |
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| 09:54.34 | Meizirkki | i was trying to get the link for http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:54.43 | Meizirkki | maemo.org search is such a mess |
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| 09:59.26 | Dantonic | what do I setup on my ubuntu box to be able to share files on my N800 through gftp? |
| 10:00.49 | johnx | Dantonic, openssh-server |
| 10:01.59 | Dantonic | is that difficult to setup? I've never setup an ftp server before |
| 10:02.05 | Dantonic | is it command line based? |
| 10:02.08 | johnx | no setup at all :) |
| 10:02.13 | Dantonic | oh? |
| 10:02.34 | johnx | install it from synaptic, then connect to your ubuntu box's IP address from gftp on the n800 |
| 10:02.59 | ShellEvil | ah |
| 10:03.13 | Dantonic | ok installing now |
| 10:03.19 | Dantonic | ah |
| 10:03.32 | Dantonic | so I can connect over my Network? |
| 10:03.38 | Dantonic | with the local ip? |
| 10:03.42 | Dantonic | 192.168.1.xxx? |
| 10:04.14 | johnx | yeah, that'll work inside your LAN |
| 10:04.21 | johnx | won't work from over the internet of course |
| 10:04.27 | Dantonic | ok |
| 10:04.32 | Dantonic | what if I wanted to do it over the internet? |
| 10:05.07 | johnx | you'd have to setup your router to port forward 22 to your ubuntu box? |
| 10:05.13 | Dantonic | I see |
| 10:05.26 | Dantonic | I'm also trying to figure out how to setup a static ip for my ubuntu box |
| 10:05.53 | Dantonic | I'm wondering if I disable dhcp on my router how will that affect all the other computers on my network? |
| 10:05.55 | Dantonic | if at all? |
| 10:06.03 | johnx | yes it will |
| 10:06.18 | johnx | just set your ubuntu machine to have a static IP that's the same as it's current one |
| 10:06.37 | johnx | your router should "do the right thing" and not try to assign that IP to another machine automatically |
| 10:07.00 | Dantonic | ya I'm trying to figure out how to do it... maybe I'll look for a guide for my router... |
| 10:07.10 | Dantonic | so I dont need to disable dhcp? |
| 10:07.16 | Dantonic | to set static for my ubuntu box? |
| 10:07.34 | johnx | that's right |
| 10:10.53 | Dantonic | johnx, how do I find out my dns address in ubuntu? is there a terminal command that shows it? |
| 10:11.06 | johnx | your hostname? |
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| 10:11.49 | wazd | heya everybody |
| 10:11.57 | johnx | hey wazd |
| 10:12.10 | johnx | Dantonic, when you open a terminal it's the name after the @ |
| 10:12.27 | Dantonic | ah I found it in the router's status page :P |
| 10:13.04 | Dantonic | ? |
| 10:13.10 | Dantonic | like the dns ip address? |
| 10:13.16 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, or you could just configure your router to always give the same IP address to a specific mac address |
| 10:13.50 | johnx | Dantonic, yeah, you can look at /etc/resolv.conf |
| 10:13.59 | Dantonic | crashanddie_, ya that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do on my router |
| 10:14.06 | Dantonic | not sure how I'm looking for a guide or something |
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| 10:14.45 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, or, if your router supports it, you should be able to configure your hosts to issue a DNS request that contains their hostname, the router will then become your DNS server, and map the hostnames to internal IPs |
| 10:15.00 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, what router do you have? |
| 10:15.49 | Dantonic | linksys WRT54GS |
| 10:17.16 | ShellEvil | Or you just ignore the whole shizzle - and do static IP |
| 10:17.30 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, install openwrt :P |
| 10:17.59 | Dantonic | whats openwrt? |
| 10:18.23 | Dantonic | another issue I was having with ubuntu is that after a suspend I lose internet... so I was hoping maybe to try with a static ip... it could help idk |
| 10:18.36 | Dantonic | that was part of the reason for it... |
| 10:18.56 | Dantonic | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1264418 |
| 10:19.58 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, if you lose internet connectivity after suspending your laptop, it's probably more related to the fact your wifi card doesn't wake up properly |
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| 10:20.50 | lardman | morning |
| 10:20.57 | Macer | 05:14 < Dantonic> whats openwrt? |
| 10:21.00 | Macer | heh |
| 10:21.05 | Dantonic | its desctop and wired |
| 10:21.09 | lardman | any SWIG gurus about? |
| 10:21.09 | Dantonic | desktop* |
| 10:21.36 | Macer | Dantonic: openwrt is a replacement firmware for wifi routers.. works on quite a bit of routers |
| 10:21.56 | Macer | but was specifically made for a linksys wrt type of router |
| 10:22.12 | Macer | i actually used ddwrt when it was free |
| 10:22.24 | Macer | and still have it on my router like 3 years later heh.. :) |
| 10:22.52 | Macer | heard the project leader of ddwrt was a real prick. got all this community support and made it good then took it all and packed up and started charging money for it |
| 10:23.00 | Macer | totally screwing all the developers that put effort into it |
| 10:23.10 | johnx | tomato is nice |
| 10:23.31 | johnx | only it seems to not work 100% with my setup here, so I'm on openwrt |
| 10:23.51 | johnx | but yeah, Dantonic for what you're doing you really don't need to worry about this stuff :) |
| 10:24.08 | Dantonic | ok |
| 10:24.44 | Macer | never tried tomato |
| 10:24.57 | Macer | i was going to put openwrt on a 54gs that i have here |
| 10:25.10 | Macer | one of the speedboost wifi routers from back in the day ... never tried though |
| 10:25.13 | johnx | try tomato on it first. it's really pretty :) |
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| 10:25.21 | Macer | johnx: that's what i hear |
| 10:25.46 | Macer | openwrt was a pain when i tried it like 4 years ago.. had to use a bunch of iptables rules |
| 10:25.57 | Macer | no web interface :) |
| 10:26.03 | johnx | and if you use openwrt, use xwrt with it |
| 10:26.12 | johnx | that's the only way to fly :) |
| 10:26.14 | Macer | i mean it worked but it was just like running a small linux box |
| 10:26.17 | Macer | xwrt? |
| 10:26.19 | Macer | wtf is that? :) |
| 10:26.29 | johnx | a nice web interface for openwrt |
| 10:26.31 | Macer | x11 on a wrt? heh |
| 10:26.32 | Macer | oh |
| 10:26.57 | Macer | well.. i don't really have much of a need for it.. but i wanted to have a secondary in case this one died on me |
| 10:27.05 | SpeedEvil | has run X on damn near as small hardware. |
| 10:27.10 | Dantonic | Destination LAN IP. The Destination LAN IP is the address of the remote network or host to which you want to |
| 10:27.11 | Dantonic | assign a static route. |
| 10:27.15 | SpeedEvil | Though not recently |
| 10:27.16 | Dantonic | that's what i need right? |
| 10:27.24 | Dantonic | the host would be my box |
| 10:27.25 | Dantonic | ? |
| 10:27.34 | johnx | SpeedEvil, heh. my first desktop was just as low spec as my WRT54GS |
| 10:27.38 | Macer | SpeedEvil: x isn't that bad |
| 10:27.43 | SpeedEvil | No, X isn't. |
| 10:27.43 | Macer | i used to run x on sx25s ;) |
| 10:27.51 | SpeedEvil | I've run X and a browser from a floppy. |
| 10:27.54 | Macer | it's those damn enviroments that bloat the hell out of it |
| 10:27.58 | SpeedEvil | Ok - the browser was a cut-down lynx |
| 10:28.00 | johnx | Dantonic, yeah |
| 10:28.00 | Macer | like gnome and kde |
| 10:28.15 | SpeedEvil | And the floppy was overclocked to 1.7M or something. |
| 10:28.16 | crashanddie_ | Macer, and support for composite, card driver framework, etc |
| 10:28.17 | SpeedEvil | But still |
| 10:28.24 | Macer | crashanddie_: yeah. that too ;) |
| 10:28.36 | crashanddie_ | how do you "overclock" a floppy? it's not lack you can have it turn faster or anything |
| 10:28.39 | Macer | i mean don't get me wrong on the right hardware it is beautiful.. but even stripped down |
| 10:28.43 | Macer | enviroments are whores |
| 10:28.52 | crashanddie_ | I remember when you could transform a 700k floppy to 1.4M |
| 10:29.04 | Macer | crashanddie_: haha... you replace the motor ? :) |
| 10:29.15 | Dantonic | Gateway not directly reachable through that interface |
| 10:29.16 | Dantonic | wtf |
| 10:29.19 | Dantonic | :( |
| 10:29.20 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: you reduce the inter-sector gaps, and use non-standard sector sizes and more than the standard tracks |
| 10:29.20 | Macer | don't they have laser turntables nowadays? |
| 10:29.27 | Macer | for vinyl records? |
| 10:29.38 | crashanddie_ | Macer, don't think so |
| 10:29.49 | Macer | wow if you ever hear audiophiles talk about vinyls.. it's amazing |
| 10:29.57 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: this can give you a reliable 1.7M - IIRC - on a 1.4M floppy - at least for read on all drives - and slightly more if you use tracks >80 |
| 10:30.02 | crashanddie_ | Macer, the grooves don't actually follow a perfect circle, so you'd need a very precise detection system to know where to point the laser at next |
| 10:30.07 | Macer | about how digital music steps and vinyls are true analog so you get more sound :) |
| 10:30.10 | Macer | i mean seriously |
| 10:30.22 | Macer | if your ears are that good then you have to find a new job as a spy or something |
| 10:30.28 | crashanddie_ | you don't get more sound than out of a CD |
| 10:30.33 | crashanddie_ | you just get loss and noise |
| 10:30.45 | Macer | crashanddie_: uh oh |
| 10:30.48 | Macer | you sound like one of htem! |
| 10:30.49 | Macer | haha |
| 10:31.02 | crashanddie_ | that's like saying that VHS is better quality than DVD because it's an analogical storing solution |
| 10:31.17 | johnx | laserdisc! |
| 10:31.29 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: however - I'm not sure some USB floppies will support this :) |
| 10:31.39 | Macer | crashanddie_: i don't think that is a good comparison |
| 10:31.48 | Macer | i believe the argument is that the wave from a CD steps |
| 10:32.02 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, I used to have those iomega zip drives? 120megs or something. 5 hours to read it in full |
| 10:32.10 | crashanddie_ | "Oh yeah, this is the future baby" |
| 10:32.14 | crashanddie_ | Then CD writers came along |
| 10:32.19 | crashanddie_ | and that was that |
| 10:32.32 | Macer | crashanddie_: you mean cheap cd writers? ;) |
| 10:32.32 | SpeedEvil | CD writeres were hellaspensive for ages though |
| 10:32.45 | SpeedEvil | As was media |
| 10:32.49 | crashanddie_ | Macer, yes, exactly what I mean ^^ |
| 10:33.01 | Macer | thank god for china |
| 10:33.05 | crashanddie_ | haha |
| 10:33.14 | Macer | and "free trade" |
| 10:33.15 | Macer | :) |
| 10:33.30 | Macer | the communist-capitalist industrial machine |
| 10:33.35 | crashanddie_ | yeah, I guess $5 a month labour counts as "free trade" |
| 10:33.45 | Macer | yup |
| 10:33.46 | Macer | :) |
| 10:33.54 | Macer | ever see west wing? |
| 10:34.03 | crashanddie_ | can't say I have |
| 10:35.10 | Macer | well. there is an episode in the 4th season when the president has his debate and an assistant sec of state explains that the chinese will be sewing cheap goods by their teeth whether we sell them cheeseburgers or not... so lets sell them cheeseburgers |
| 10:35.15 | Macer | :) |
| 10:35.57 | Macer | the american way.. who cares how the goods are made.. just give it to us |
| 10:36.29 | Macer | i mean honestly. i could care less if a thousand people die a day in some chinese factory if i can find a bray burner and cheap discs for less than $300 |
| 10:37.35 | lardman | hmm, in SWIG, can I have more than one %apply <type here> *INPUT line? |
| 10:37.38 | crashanddie_ | I think you scared him away |
| 10:38.41 | Macer | haha |
| 10:38.57 | Macer | i guess i had this argument earlier about hybrid cars |
| 10:39.13 | Macer | i don't think most hybrid green one-worlders realize what nickel production looks like :) |
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| 10:40.20 | crashanddie_ | lardman, yes |
| 10:40.31 | crashanddie_ | lardman, as long as the underlying language supports your directives |
| 10:40.52 | Macer | http://realitybend.com/img/cleanest/norilsk.jpg |
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| 10:41.24 | lardman | crashanddie_: I think I've sorted it, only need those directives for pointer type arguments, don't need to specify the input/output type for every one |
| 10:41.27 | lardman | thanks |
| 10:41.50 | Dantonic | what do I put for default gateway? |
| 10:41.56 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, your router |
| 10:42.02 | Dantonic | oh |
| 10:42.06 | Dantonic | so just 192.168.1.1? |
| 10:42.06 | Macer | http://media.photobucket.com/image/nickel production pollution/silverbeam/CSM Blog/pollution.jpg |
| 10:42.09 | Macer | heh |
| 10:42.10 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, that's the one |
| 10:42.10 | Macer | there's another one |
| 10:42.36 | Dantonic | lol 'May be default route already exists' wtf is that error? |
| 10:42.42 | Dantonic | is the router making fun of me? |
| 10:42.48 | Macer | think about that pic when you realize how much production of nickel has increased in order to satisfy a person's ability to think they're doing good things for the planet |
| 10:42.57 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, what the hell are you doing? |
| 10:43.02 | Macer | heh |
| 10:43.12 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, i mean seriously, you don't understand anything of this and just issue commands at random? |
| 10:43.18 | Dantonic | attempting unsuccessfully to assign a static local ip to my ubuntu box |
| 10:43.29 | Dantonic | I have a vague understanding |
| 10:43.38 | crashanddie_ | vague alright |
| 10:44.02 | Dantonic | I'm just working in my routers software |
| 10:44.04 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, the reason the route already exists is that you probably already connected through DHCP when starting the machine |
| 10:44.29 | Dantonic | ok makes sense... so what am I doing wrong? what should I look for? |
| 10:44.40 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, it will be a *lot* easier to just tell your router to bind a specific IP to a specific MAC address |
| 10:44.50 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, post some screenshots of the interface, I'll guide you |
| 10:45.24 | Dantonic | crashanddie_, I'd love to do that... I actually did it al ong time ago on a different router, just havent been able to find the right page on this router's firmware |
| 10:45.41 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, in your interface, click until you find DHCP, and then "client Mac addresses" or something like that |
| 10:46.17 | Dantonic | there's a MAC Address Clone tab |
| 10:47.09 | crashanddie_ | nope, not that one |
| 10:47.17 | crashanddie_ | that's to change the MAC address of the router |
| 10:47.36 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, you said earlier you found a list of currently connected clients? |
| 10:47.48 | Dantonic | yes I have that |
| 10:48.04 | Dantonic | under status DHCP clients table |
| 10:48.37 | Dantonic | and this pc doesnt show up... wtf |
| 10:48.42 | Dantonic | just the laptop and N800 |
| 10:49.21 | Dantonic | nm maybe it does |
| 10:49.22 | Dantonic | :P |
| 10:49.59 | Dantonic | ifconfig should show my mac address correct? |
| 10:50.22 | Dantonic | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.30 | Dantonic | but that doesnt show in the dhcp clients table |
| 10:50.35 | crashanddie_ | that's your IP addres |
| 10:50.42 | johnx | Dantonic, HW address |
| 10:50.50 | Dantonic | ya hw address = mac address right? |
| 10:50.51 | crashanddie_ | Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:02:39:c4:d4 |
| 10:50.55 | Dantonic | yes |
| 10:52.28 | Dantonic | ya doesnt show in my clients table on the router |
| 10:54.45 | Dantonic | bah ifconfig shows the mac address to the router |
| 10:54.56 | Dantonic | thats why |
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| 10:58.11 | Dantonic | I'm reading on the internet that my router apparently might not support this feature... |
| 10:58.16 | Dantonic | of binding IP to mac... |
| 10:58.26 | Dantonic | so I might need new firmware to do it :*( |
| 10:59.51 | crashanddie_ | told you to install openwrt |
| 11:01.22 | Dantonic | ok so tell me some more about that what is it? |
| 11:01.38 | Dantonic | could it brick my router? |
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| 11:07.19 | Dantonic | crashanddie_, how do I get openwrt? |
| 11:07.28 | Dantonic | not in synaptic package manger? |
| 11:10.31 | johnx | Dantonic, it's a replacement for the firmware/software that your router runs |
| 11:12.19 | Dantonic | johnx, sounds scary... is there a risk? |
| 11:12.48 | johnx | not really, but I don't think it's worth it in your case |
| 11:13.08 | Dantonic | well I found out my router does not support static ip configuration |
| 11:13.17 | Dantonic | ip-mac address |
| 11:14.19 | johnx | look, just change your ubuntu's machine to a static IP address, and don't bother messing with anything else |
| 11:14.34 | Dantonic | you mean in ubuntu? |
| 11:14.39 | Dantonic | like in my interfaces file? |
| 11:14.57 | johnx | just use network manager |
| 11:15.17 | Dantonic | so any ip I assign to it will jive with the router? |
| 11:15.26 | johnx | just use your current one :) |
| 11:15.47 | Dantonic | all right I'll give it a shot :) |
| 11:15.49 | Dantonic | thanks! |
| 11:17.16 | lardman | is this a known error with Fremantle SDK? unrecognized option `-Qy' |
| 11:17.50 | qwerty12_N810 | It comes when using the old Python that is internal to scratchbox, I believe |
| 11:18.19 | lardman | yes, looks that way |
| 11:18.31 | lardman | bit rubbish that it comes with an old version |
| 11:18.33 | lardman | thanks |
| 11:19.14 | qwerty12_N810 | apt-get install python2.5 and point <whatever needs python> to /usr/bin/python2.5 directly |
| 11:19.54 | lardman | yeah, have it installed, assumed it would overwrite the python binary with a symlink |
| 11:20.29 | qwerty12_N810 | scratchbox's folders appear before /usr/bin in path |
| 11:20.50 | lardman | ah yes of course |
| 11:21.02 | lardman | right, sorted now, thanks |
| 11:26.46 | radic | qwerty12_N810: you know why I couldn't backup my settings? |
| 11:27.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Nope |
| 11:27.15 | qwerty12_N810 | never uses the Backup program |
| 11:32.16 | lardman | hmm ImportError: dynamic module does not define init function (initbarmix) |
| 11:32.31 | lardman | anyone know if that's my fault or SWIG's fault? |
| 11:33.32 | lardman | ah, I see it in the FAQ |
| 11:33.55 | lardman | muppet |
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| 11:39.04 | crashanddie_ | lardman, noob |
| 11:39.12 | crashanddie_ | RTFF |
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| 11:46.29 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:46.42 | SpeedEvil | afternoon. |
| 11:47.14 | Komzpa | night |
| 11:47.20 | Jaffa | indeed |
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| 12:01.21 | lardman | crashanddie_: yeah I know |
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| 12:44.25 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: know who/what does? :p |
| 12:44.42 | timeless_mbp | makes decisions? |
| 12:44.44 | timeless_mbp | no :) |
| 12:47.48 | zerojayPC | Ari. |
| 12:47.50 | zerojayPC | Maybe. |
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| 12:50.39 | luke-jr | ponders a petition to make an open-spec Zaurus-like phone, and having people sign on to buy one if someone produces it <.< |
| 12:53.12 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: google gta02-core |
| 12:54.32 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 12:54.55 | luke-jr | I googled gta02-core months ago. useless and not at all like what I just described. |
| 12:54.58 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It's an open spec phone with some question as to how it's going to be produced |
| 12:55.16 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: with no intention to use any recent hardware advances or even have a keyboard |
| 12:55.21 | luke-jr | let alone be Zaurus-like |
| 12:55.40 | SpeedEvil | recent hardware or a keyboard adds _LOTS_ to the production cost unfortunately |
| 12:55.55 | luke-jr | ... |
| 12:56.12 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: well, KDE needs at the very least 256 MB RAM :p |
| 12:56.25 | luke-jr | and I like the Zaurus specs, except that it lacks phone capabilities and BT |
| 12:56.58 | zerojayPC | "recent hardware advances" = closed source, so... |
| 12:57.05 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: not so much |
| 12:57.14 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: or ratehr - that's a side-effect |
| 12:57.32 | zerojayPC | I know. |
| 12:57.56 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: I was more referring to the great difficulty of sourcing the latest greatest chips - as the vendors are often concentrating only on volume and may not even ship small volumes. |
| 12:58.13 | zerojayPC | That too. |
| 12:58.27 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: when they get a bit older - stuff starts appearing on the secondary market - and documentatoin may become a bit more available. |
| 12:58.48 | zerojayPC | Welcome to the reason why the tablets weren't completely open to begin with. |
| 12:58.53 | SpeedEvil | yep. |
| 12:59.16 | SpeedEvil | That said - someone like nokia does have enormous leverage if they choose to use it. |
| 12:59.45 | luke-jr | zerojayPC: I don't need open source hardware, just open spec |
| 12:59.58 | luke-jr | zerojayPC: and in this case, I should be able to get a NDA spec at least |
| 13:00.16 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Sure - if you can buy the parts. |
| 13:00.18 | zerojayPC | luke-jr: Oh, you don't? I thought that was what you were complaining about the tablets for at least the last few months. |
| 13:00.18 | crashanddie_ | what the f is Tim on about with his "stealth operation"? |
| 13:00.44 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Which you usually can't. And sometimes NDAs come with clauses that mean you can't distribute an open-source driver based on them. |
| 13:01.06 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: http://www.slideshare.net/knightopia/the-theology-of-twitter <-- page 9 of the presentation, lol |
| 13:02.19 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr, Nokia have always said they didn't care about the software, but they didn't feel like playing ball with giving away the specs of the hardware |
| 13:02.55 | crashanddie_ | which in my book, is fair enough. Nokia is a revenue driven business, and phones/hardware is their main revenue point. For them, software is just an enabler. |
| 13:03.04 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: Agreed. |
| 13:03.24 | crashanddie_ | zerojayPC, didn't get your point about proclamation |
| 13:03.24 | SpeedEvil | Part of the problem is that if nokia make the OS - including all the hardware drivers availale - then any random maker that can find the parts can pretty much crank one out. |
| 13:03.29 | zerojayPC | They're already far more open with us than almost any other company out there. |
| 13:03.39 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: It's not my slideshow. |
| 13:03.43 | SpeedEvil | almost responds, then spots the almost. |
| 13:03.53 | crashanddie_ | zerojayPC, still don't get why you'd show that to me |
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| 13:04.45 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: Tim's pic is funny there, that's all. If we're even talking about the same Tim. |
| 13:04.55 | crashanddie_ | samoff? |
| 13:04.58 | zerojayPC | Yes. |
| 13:04.59 | crashanddie_ | didn't that was him |
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| 13:05.02 | crashanddie_ | never met the guy |
| 13:05.08 | crashanddie_ | know** |
| 13:05.26 | luke-jr | zerojayPC: no, my complaint was mainly the closed drivers |
| 13:05.29 | zerojayPC | You'll be at summit? |
| 13:05.40 | crashanddie_ | zerojayPC, dunno, maybe, have to see if I can fit in my schedule |
| 13:05.52 | crashanddie_ | been asked a lot over the past few days to join the gig, but it's out of my hands, reallyu |
| 13:05.54 | crashanddie_ | -u |
| 13:06.04 | zerojayPC | luke-jr: Yes and the closed drivers are a symptom of what I said. |
| 13:06.20 | luke-jr | closed drivers != closed source hardware |
| 13:06.23 | luke-jr | anyhow, bbl |
| 13:06.42 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr, no, but open source drivers give you a *lot* more information than closed source ones |
| 13:07.07 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr, you get heaps of information about the actual hardware, and that's something that is very hard to sell to higher management |
| 13:07.40 | zerojayPC | Exactly. |
| 13:08.27 | crashanddie_ | they don't hear "some of our users, maybe a decimal percentage of the market will love this", they hear "we're giving open access to our hardware to all and any of our competitors" |
| 13:08.49 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/couldntthiswork.png |
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| 13:10.25 | wazd | http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/09/12/-update-exclusive--nokia-erdos--the-8800-gets-more-bling---video-link--.aspx |
| 13:10.30 | wazd | drools |
| 13:12.00 | RST38h | moo all |
| 13:12.07 | RST38h | wazd: Ah come on, it runs S40 |
| 13:12.08 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: ? |
| 13:12.26 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: got bored and saw how i could emulate fremantle ui on n8x0 :) |
| 13:12.42 | RST38h | BTW, why have I started receiving 419 scams from Poland? |
| 13:12.54 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i moved here! ;) |
| 13:13.05 | RST38h | Sts: I knew! I KNEW! :))) |
| 13:13.11 | wazd | RST38h: it's not about functionality :) |
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| 13:14.10 | RST38h | wazd: 320x240 display |
| 13:14.21 | RST38h | And yes, it is shiny but iPhone is shinier |
| 13:15.26 | wazd | RST38h: I guess it's s steel phone, so nothing compares :) |
| 13:15.48 | SpeedEvil | Also - more importantly - open sourced - GPL - drivers mean that anyone can simply use them on a similar architecture phone with almost no cost |
| 13:15.58 | RST38h | goes over his mental list of steel phones |
| 13:16.07 | SpeedEvil | Rather than having to get your own one that actually works. |
| 13:16.17 | RST38h | wazd: Old Siemenses would probably do |
| 13:16.54 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Oh nice. :) |
| 13:17.46 | zerojayPC | Yes.. there was one that had this weird sort of metal outer lining you had to take off each time you wanted to take a battery out or switch SIMs. What a pain. |
| 13:17.57 | zerojayPC | It was like an S&M phone. |
| 13:18.32 | jaska | fits in lederhosen?:) |
| 13:18.34 | Stskeeps | it was german, of course it was S&M ;) |
| 13:18.44 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 13:19.05 | zerojayPC | Had to be one of the strangest phones we got at work. |
| 13:19.32 | zerojayPC | Then there was also a Samsung... smallest phone I've seen yet. Looked like an mp3 player. The keypad was two columns of 5 keys. |
| 13:19.46 | zerojayPC | Cost something like $1200 unlocked. |
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| 13:20.06 | zerojayPC | I was out drinking the night before with coworkers. |
| 13:20.16 | zerojayPC | And my metabolism SUCKS. |
| 13:20.36 | zerojayPC | So even though I stopped drinking at midnight, I was still slightly tipsy at 8am. |
| 13:21.06 | zerojayPC | I get a package from our New York office. Chocolates from our localization head saying thank you for the work I did. |
| 13:21.20 | zerojayPC | I pop one into my mouth.. and it's one of those rum-filled ones. |
| 13:21.35 | zerojayPC | Instantly, I'm back to being full-on smashed at work. |
| 13:21.43 | Stskeeps | excellent |
| 13:21.55 | zerojayPC | So I run up to my boss and just tell her. |
| 13:21.56 | Stskeeps | better than hangovers so bad you can't recall how to code |
| 13:22.03 | Robot101 | zerojayPC: good times! :) |
| 13:22.10 | zerojayPC | "I am... w-w-w-wwaasted right now and I SWEAR, it's NOT my fault! |
| 13:22.19 | chx | never drinks alcohol. problem solved. |
| 13:22.20 | zerojayPC | She's cool with it. |
| 13:22.36 | zerojayPC | I walk into our kitchen with this brand new Samsung that we paid $1200 for. |
| 13:22.55 | zerojayPC | It slips out of my hands while I'm walking, my foot ends up punting it under the fridge. |
| 13:23.18 | zerojayPC | I look around to see if anyone saw. |
| 13:23.27 | zerojayPC | My boss is behind me with a big smile on her face. |
| 13:23.48 | frals | lol |
| 13:23.54 | zerojayPC | "New office rule, no chocolates the day after a drunk night out?" |
| 13:23.57 | zerojayPC | "Deal." |
| 13:25.30 | zerojayPC | And in the end, it turns out that Samsung wasn't the actual phone we ordered, so... |
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| 13:26.49 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, why would nigerian law apply to poland? |
| 13:28.20 | RST38h | zerojay: What Samsung model may cost $1200 ??? |
| 13:28.33 | RST38h | crashanddie: That may be the reason why it is coming from Poland, yes |
| 13:29.06 | zerojayPC | RST38h: I don't remember which model it was but this was over two years ago. Some super small mp3 player sized phone. |
| 13:29.17 | zerojayPC | Samsung X??? |
| 13:29.34 | zerojayPC | We only had it for a very short time, otherwise I would have remembered the model. |
| 13:31.05 | RST38h | Madness |
| 13:31.22 | RST38h | knows these (with mp3 player on one side, phone on another) but none of them could cost that much |
| 13:32.04 | zerojayPC | It was one of the first. It was EXTREMELY small. |
| 13:32.25 | zerojayPC | less than 50% the size of your average small flip. |
| 13:32.49 | RST38h | yea |
| 13:32.52 | RST38h | that was it |
| 13:33.31 | zerojayPC | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_f200-2016.php - Looks like this, except smaller still. There was only room for two columns of keys instead of the three here. |
| 13:33.59 | RST38h | hmm...weird |
| 13:34.15 | RST38h | found this one: http://www.thetechlounge.com/article/357/Spotlight-Samsung-SGHF300-DoubleSided-Cell-Phone-MP3-Player/ |
| 13:34.28 | zerojayPC | AH HA! |
| 13:34.29 | zerojayPC | Found it. |
| 13:34.31 | zerojayPC | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_x830-1681.php |
| 13:34.52 | RST38h | Yepp...X830, found it as well |
| 13:34.59 | zerojayPC | A real POS. |
| 13:35.07 | RST38h | Looks like a fashion accessory. $1200??? Crazy. |
| 13:35.20 | zerojayPC | Sent it back because the screen size was FAR too small for us to port our games to. |
| 13:35.59 | RST38h | hey you ca port to n900 now =) |
| 13:36.09 | zerojayPC | 128x220 doesn't sound right though. |
| 13:36.11 | zerojayPC | lol. |
| 13:36.17 | RST38h | of course, MIDP on such a small screen will suck speed-wise |
| 13:36.27 | zerojayPC | Well, we've been doing iPhone stuff lately. |
| 13:36.38 | RST38h | s/small/large |
| 13:36.59 | RST38h | Is it easily portable to outside the walled garden btw? |
| 13:36.59 | zerojayPC | Need to have Unity3D ported. Oh well. |
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| 13:37.09 | RST38h | (the question arised a few times on t.m.o) |
| 13:37.54 | zerojayPC | I'm not the best person to ask, but I know that we use a middleware solution called Unity3D for our projects so unless that gets ported to N900... it's just not going to happen. |
| 13:38.23 | zerojayPC | Code itself is all objective C, I think. |
| 13:39.28 | zerojayPC | I tend to stay away from doing programming at work so again, not the best person to ask. |
| 13:49.09 | RST38h | What DO you do? =) |
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| 13:49.58 | zerojayPC | You just asked me the worst possible question. lol |
| 13:50.01 | zerojayPC | Not because I do nothing. |
| 13:50.09 | zerojayPC | But because I do a little bit of everything. |
| 13:50.53 | zerojayPC | I might be proofreading one day, QA another, minor programming fixes, working on game pitches/game design, documentation, art.... whatever. |
| 13:51.51 | zerojayPC | It's actually something that is supposed to be done at some point... nailing down a specific task list for me. |
| 13:52.09 | zerojayPC | I'm the only floater in the company. My timesheets are *insane*. |
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| 13:58.37 | vasily_pupkin | hi |
| 13:59.13 | vasily_pupkin | anybody know how can I debug maemo kernel? |
| 13:59.30 | vasily_pupkin | i need at least stack trace before kernel panic |
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| 14:10.22 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: http://xkcd.com/1/ |
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| 14:11.44 | zerojayPC | SpeedEvil: Haha.. yeah, except I know where I'll be floating eventually. ;) |
| 14:13.14 | RST38h | zerojayPC: Sounds dangerous employment-security-wise |
| 14:13.38 | RST38h | zerojayPC: But at least you must be able to contact the Unity3D guys and talk them into porting to Maemo ;) |
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| 14:16.25 | zerojayPC | RST38h: Actually, it's quite the opposite. I'm very safe because I can do so many things. I'm one of the few people still there since I started 4 years ago after 3 rounds of layoffs. |
| 14:16.30 | zerojayPC | RST38h: I'll try. |
| 14:17.32 | zerojayPC | RST38h: My only issue is... if I do lose my job, I have no idea how to describe what I did, lol. |
| 14:17.42 | zerojayPC | With a simple title. |
| 14:18.19 | SpeedEvil | zerojayPC: technojanitor. |
| 14:18.55 | zerojayPC | lol. |
| 14:19.18 | zerojayPC | One of the higher ups suggested "King of All Cosmos" |
| 14:19.33 | SpeedEvil | Corporate wide problem-solver? |
| 14:19.47 | RST38h | Supreme Leader, yes |
| 14:19.55 | RST38h | Are there job openings for supreme leaders? |
| 14:20.00 | zerojayPC | Probably "assistant producer" in the end. |
| 14:20.11 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: North Korea seems to have some occasionally. |
| 14:20.17 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: the interview process is tough. |
| 14:20.31 | zerojayPC | Be sure to add "Kim" somewhere to your name. |
| 14:20.38 | zerojayPC | and enjoy American movies. |
| 14:20.42 | zerojayPC | But still hate Americans. |
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| 14:22.40 | Firebird9 | Hmm, odd, after apt-get upgrading, my tablet can't connect to my wireless access point |
| 14:22.49 | RST38h | wonders what the perks are. Korean girls? |
| 14:24.34 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Getting to play with _really_ large fireworks |
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| 14:29.05 | zerojayPC | Unless I can get good hamburgers there, it's a no-g. |
| 14:29.08 | zerojayPC | no go. |
| 14:29.37 | javispedro | Firebird9: the wonders of having extras-devel when upgrading I guess. Even though I don't know what could cause that. |
| 14:29.40 | RST38h | zreojay: You can command your submariners to kidnap the best US ha,burger chief |
| 14:29.45 | RST38h | chef sorry |
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| 14:31.12 | FIrebird | Interesting, ghosting doesn't say "Killed by services" anymore |
| 14:31.54 | FIrebird | javispedro, when I try to connect to any access point it either gives "Cannot get IP address" or "Network Error" :/ hope I don't have to reflash |
| 14:33.49 | RST38h | try disabling security for now |
| 14:34.29 | crashanddie_ | hamburger chief |
| 14:34.45 | crashanddie_ | sounds like proper american army or police stuff |
| 14:35.03 | FIrebird | RST38h, already tried |
| 14:35.42 | FIrebird | both the N800 and N810 can't connect after upgrading |
| 14:36.50 | javispedro | grab a list of the packages that were upgraded |
| 14:37.08 | javispedro | and then deupgrade any "suspicious" ones |
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| 14:40.39 | FIrebird | wish I knew how to do that.. there's alot of packages in dist-upgrade.. but no internets |
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| 14:44.03 | javispedro | heh |
| 14:44.13 | javispedro | who uploaded an updated udhcpc package to -devel? |
| 14:44.33 | javispedro | FIrebird: downgrade it. "apt-get install udhcpc=0.9.8cvs20050303-2osso6" |
| 14:44.36 | javispedro | ah, damn |
| 14:44.40 | javispedro | you have no internets.... :( |
| 14:45.08 | javispedro | can't you get a usbnet connection or something like that? the orig package is in the tableeter/passwd protected repo |
| 14:45.18 | frals | hmm, lots of swedish retailers got the n900 listed as 2009-09-28.. :D |
| 14:45.41 | RST38h | quite possible |
| 14:45.41 | Stskeeps | javispedro: there really should be a ban on uploading packages that are in SDK |
| 14:46.04 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.45 | crashanddie_ | frals, I'd be more interested in the Finnish retailers |
| 14:46.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Not entirely (ones in the SDK). Until the device is shipped with the same amount of libs that the SDK comes with, a ban isn't really gonna work :) |
| 14:46.54 | javispedro | Stskeeps: actually, that version does not come from the sdk (which has -2osso6 version too) |
| 14:46.58 | GAN800 | lol @ karma thread |
| 14:47.05 | Stskeeps | javispedro: lovely |
| 14:47.30 | crashanddie_ | GAN800, link |
| 14:47.50 | GAN800 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31519 |
| 14:50.07 | crashanddie_ | GAN800, debian already has a solution about this |
| 14:50.08 | FIrebird | hmm, javispedro anyway to download it through wget? |
| 14:50.11 | crashanddie_ | GAN800, popularity contest |
| 14:50.27 | javispedro | FIrebird: since it seems to be same version than the freely available sdk one, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/u/udhcp/udhcpc_0.9.8cvs20050303-2osso6_armel.deb |
| 14:50.41 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: No kidding. |
| 14:51.02 | Stskeeps | still, there really should be efforts karma |
| 14:51.03 | crashanddie_ | I seriously don't get what all the fuss is about with the karma stuff |
| 14:51.11 | crashanddie_ | it's creating more problems than anything else |
| 14:51.24 | zerojayPC | For the vast majority of people, it's not. |
| 14:51.31 | zerojayPC | For one or two people maybe. |
| 14:51.40 | crashanddie_ | we have developers spending time on useless algorithms which only fuel an epeen contest, and the noise it generates is just stupid |
| 14:51.48 | zerojayPC | lol |
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| 14:52.13 | crashanddie_ | I think we've seen it recently with the amount of people available for election to the council |
| 14:52.15 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: well, since sponsorship and devices are normally based on karma, i think it's fair things should count :P |
| 14:52.30 | crashanddie_ | only people who deliberately keep their karma low are not electable |
| 14:52.32 | crashanddie_ | (like me) |
| 14:52.44 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, well then we need to stop it |
| 14:52.57 | crashanddie_ | like quim says, it's very easy to boost up your karma by rating shit, blogging shit, and talking shit |
| 14:53.33 | Stskeeps | ah, blogging not so easily anymore |
| 14:53.38 | zerojayPC | By being active in the community. |
| 14:53.49 | Stskeeps | yeah, what zerojayPC said :P |
| 14:53.59 | crashanddie_ | but in the end, the people who matter (say, enablers for meetings, the guys who work their ass off for a summit), those who create the things that make this community what it is get diddlysquat |
| 14:54.09 | crashanddie_ | no |
| 14:54.10 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: that's why i say we need effort karma :P |
| 14:54.20 | javispedro | FIrebird: if downgrading udhcpc fixes it, please tell, we'll have to ban it from reaching extras... :S |
| 14:54.21 | crashanddie_ | that was a preemptive no |
| 14:54.43 | Stskeeps | i don't get that much karma for Mer, let's say, even though it's been a major part of my life for a year now.. wazd doesn't get anything for all the artwork he does, etc |
| 14:54.47 | FIrebird | javispedro, thanks, it fixed it |
| 14:54.54 | FIrebird | heh |
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| 14:55.17 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: You're also not working on Mer because you expect something in return. |
| 14:55.33 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, how about we use something called reputation based on merit? It's been working in most communities since the beginning of time |
| 14:55.35 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: i do it for job opportunities past education .. and because it's fun |
| 14:55.42 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Exactly. |
| 14:55.50 | crashanddie_ | Are we seriously *that* arrogant that regular communications and sociality standards aren't good enough for us? |
| 14:55.50 | Stskeeps | and devices, shiny devices |
| 14:56.07 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: in a big community merit is difficult to quanitify though |
| 14:56.15 | crashanddie_ | no, it's not |
| 14:56.22 | GAN800 | Problem is, it's a big community and it's not always easy to spot the big contributors. |
| 14:56.25 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: Only works when the community is smaller and everything's very visble though. |
| 14:56.30 | crashanddie_ | it's a tiny community gues |
| 14:56.33 | crashanddie_ | guys** |
| 14:56.37 | crashanddie_ | this is 25k people we're talking about |
| 14:56.43 | crashanddie_ | from which maybe 2k ever open their mouths |
| 14:56.50 | GAN800 | For instance, the guy who has filed a ton of bugs but rarely participates anywhere else. |
| 14:57.07 | zerojayPC | Bingo. |
| 14:57.15 | crashanddie_ | we have been lucky there hasn't been any abuse anywhere as of yet |
| 14:57.45 | crashanddie_ | but as soon as Maemo picks up (and it just might do exactly that, with the n900), we're going to get all the losers and script kiddies, and trust me, all those nifty karma scripts and algos? Out the bloody door they'll go |
| 14:57.46 | crashanddie_ | mark my words |
| 14:57.55 | GAN800 | Karma isn't perfect, karma isn't weighted that heavily, either, but it IS helpful for things like sponsorship and device programs. |
| 14:58.21 | Stskeeps | GAN800: offtopic, are you a thumb keyboard guy or stylus keyboard? |
| 14:58.37 | crashanddie_ | As soon as this community reaches 50k people, Nokia won't even care about karma anymore. There will be a sea of people with huge amounts of karma, and it won't help anything at all. Principles like karma don't scale. |
| 14:58.43 | zerojayPC | You know, with all the hype the N900's gotten, I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen more people come to tmo. |
| 14:59.00 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: there's a load of new faces, really |
| 14:59.03 | GAN800 | Anyway, I mostly feel that this is a discussion that's unlikely to change anybody's minds, so I'm going to spend this time doing something else. :P |
| 14:59.04 | Stskeeps | and reactivated ones |
| 14:59.14 | crashanddie_ | It's like the number of posts on a bulletin board, in the beginning, you have the one guy with 10 times more posts than anyone else, and you know he's a good guy, and he should be rewarded |
| 14:59.15 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, thumb. |
| 14:59.15 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Not anywhere near as many as I expected though. |
| 14:59.26 | GAN800 | Since it was released. |
| 14:59.34 | crashanddie_ | but as the number of contributors increases, post counts tend to become infinite and it becomes a useless quantifier |
| 14:59.38 | GAN800 | My stylus never leaves the silo anymore. |
| 15:00.00 | crashanddie_ | What you'll have, is quim and some others, looking at the 30 guys they know the names of, and see if they ought to get a new devices or brought to the summit |
| 15:00.02 | crashanddie_ | end of story |
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| 15:00.36 | kirma | where is this karma applied apart the developer devices decisions? I hope not automatically in too many places... |
| 15:00.41 | crashanddie_ | and if you're not part of those "known names", and haven't done anything "right" in the past year that makes you stand out? Though. |
| 15:00.47 | Stskeeps | kirma: except for elections not much |
| 15:00.55 | Stskeeps | and summit sponsorship |
| 15:01.06 | GAN800 | kirma, it'll be processed by people like Quim, don't worry. |
| 15:01.39 | Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, good, one less person to upset when we switch to the new published HIM thumb keyboards from nokia :P |
| 15:02.02 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Better be diagonal mode. |
| 15:02.12 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: if you used Bugzilla for Mer, would that help your karma? |
| 15:02.20 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: we do use bugzilla for mer |
| 15:02.21 | zerojayPC | They do use Bugzilla for Mer. |
| 15:02.33 | kirma | I don't worry, because I simply buy the device. I know bunches of people that got earlier devices basically through contacts, but I certainly don't care that much of getting it free, or that little about going morally sensible way... |
| 15:02.34 | zerojayPC | And yes, it does give karma. |
| 15:02.35 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: saw the screenshots? looks very customizable, sc.. |
| 15:02.46 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: No, I haven't. |
| 15:03.00 | zerojayPC | And with a hardware keyboard included, I doubt I'll ever care. :) |
| 15:03.28 | zerojayPC | I haven't used the virtual keyboard even once with the N810. |
| 15:03.35 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1356&action=view |
| 15:03.41 | kirma | I worry about election processes and such a bit more. but I suppose there one can look at debian or something? |
| 15:03.45 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: i still want us to award karma based on ohloh :) |
| 15:04.03 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: weren't you guys using something else for project planning? |
| 15:04.05 | GAN800 | timeless_mbp, feel free to propose it. |
| 15:04.16 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: ah, yes, our sprint system |
| 15:04.16 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: if it requires a tmo account, forget it :) |
| 15:04.31 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: basically, do you use bugzilla for feature work |
| 15:04.34 | timeless_mbp | or only bug tracking |
| 15:04.43 | GAN800 | timeless_mbp, maemo-community |
| 15:04.44 | timeless_mbp | if you aren't using it for feature work, you're losing out on free karma |
| 15:04.45 | Stskeeps | only bug tracking mostly |
| 15:05.00 | Stskeeps | true |
| 15:05.02 | timeless_mbp | and not just free karma, valid and important karma |
| 15:05.06 | GAN800 | kirma, low minimum for voter and candidate eligibility, nothing more. |
| 15:05.21 | zerojayPC | Minimums should probably be raised. |
| 15:05.58 | GAN800 | We already had the voting on that one. ;) |
| 15:06.12 | kirma | hope it works. I wonder if such community-corporate mix has been experienced with some other open source project before, at such scale that N900 is probably going to be sold. probably not? |
| 15:06.35 | GAN800 | kirma, thus the revolution. |
| 15:06.49 | crashanddie_ | kirma, what do you mean? "scale that N900 is going to be sold" ? |
| 15:06.59 | crashanddie_ | like the 770, n800 or n810 didn't sell? |
| 15:07.46 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: the quantities for the 770/n800/n810 are much lower than our hopes for the n900 |
| 15:08.04 | javispedro | yeah, the n900 is much, much, much more hyped. |
| 15:08.05 | zerojayPC | And we've heard sales for the N800 surprised Nokia already. |
| 15:08.26 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, as far as I can tell, there are no hopes, there never have been any. Every single time, people are surprised at how well each revision is being welcomed and appreciated |
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| 15:08.37 | zerojayPC | So... I'm pretty sure they are completely blindsided right now. |
| 15:08.44 | kirma | also: I hope that community can't make outsiders harder to get their (potentially open source) software to the repositories that normal end users see. I mean that a mediocre piece of software from inside the community would be there out of friendship ties, and amazing piece of software from the outside would have hard time in that. |
| 15:08.52 | timeless_mbp | we were shocked by the good reception at nokia world |
| 15:09.06 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, from my discussions this week, I was more under the impression that Nokia has always underestimated the potential of the devices, and just dismissed it as "geek toys", waiting for a second coming |
| 15:09.11 | zerojayPC | kirma: They can just add it to extras-devel and get it promoted. |
| 15:09.17 | rmt | So - how is the N900 as a normal phone, actually? |
| 15:09.27 | crashanddie_ | rmt, pretty good |
| 15:09.32 | timeless_mbp | rmt: quite good actually |
| 15:09.43 | timeless_mbp | my sister+parents find the audio quality much better than my previous nokia phones |
| 15:09.52 | Stskeeps | it'll be the ultimate communicator when the collabora msn etc plugins come in |
| 15:09.59 | crashanddie_ | rmt, sound quality is as expected, the sms discussions are awesome, and for the rest it just behaves like a decent phone (not surprising from a phone manufacturer) |
| 15:10.09 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Yes, it will. |
| 15:10.22 | kirma | crashhanddie: I think it will be considerably more popular. if it's not going to be, nokia is certainly going to have a big disappointment... |
| 15:10.26 | rmt | I assume it has multiple modes for audio output (& input?) .. standard to-the-ear operation, on speaker, and headphones. |
| 15:10.29 | timeless_mbp | there are two annoyances about conversations |
| 15:10.29 | crashanddie_ | kirma, use the tab key |
| 15:10.31 | Stskeeps | is personally waiting for that, - and finding what button is sane data plan on his polish provider |
| 15:10.36 | timeless_mbp | rmt: yes, you can pair a headset |
| 15:10.40 | timeless_mbp | i use speakerphone |
| 15:10.46 | crashanddie_ | kirma, no, they're not going to be disappointed |
| 15:10.47 | timeless_mbp | the speaker is great |
| 15:10.57 | timeless_mbp | the bt headset and normal headset just work |
| 15:11.04 | rmt | timeless, But to-the-ear works also? |
| 15:11.08 | zerojayPC | A lot of people's complaints about the older tablets are fixed here... phone connectivity, ad2p, etc.. |
| 15:11.09 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 15:11.12 | timeless_mbp | quite well |
| 15:11.24 | crashanddie_ | kirma, they're taking a huge risk, and hence, by corporate standards, they're lowering the bar by an incredible margin to *not* be disappointed. Expectation management, all that, especially with shareholders |
| 15:11.28 | rmt | Then I'm pretty much sold .. now, when will we be able to run android apps on it too? :-) |
| 15:11.34 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 15:11.37 | timeless_mbp | no java stack |
| 15:11.40 | Stskeeps | rmt, once the android ubuntu guy gets his finger out, maybe |
| 15:11.52 | rmt | Yeah, lazy arse open source developers. ;-) |
| 15:11.56 | timeless_mbp | i mean, you're welcome to port java |
| 15:12.03 | crashanddie_ | timeless, jalimo? |
| 15:12.04 | Stskeeps | is convinced they're sitting on the code to have a marketing advantage |
| 15:12.04 | crashanddie_ | :D |
| 15:12.17 | javispedro | refrains from restarting the "android is not java" flamewar |
| 15:12.29 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: probably dalvik in this case |
| 15:12.32 | crashanddie_ | plus, android could potentially run on the hardware |
| 15:12.40 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: sure, you're welcome to port dalvik too |
| 15:12.44 | timeless_mbp | either way, not included in the box |
| 15:12.49 | zerojayPC | Fuck Android... KDE4. ;) |
| 15:12.52 | Stskeeps | but free to add :) |
| 15:12.52 | suihkulokki | android is not java - it just looks like java, sounds like java, and smells like java :P |
| 15:13.03 | javispedro | but is NOT java. |
| 15:13.07 | Stskeeps | hugs maemo |
| 15:13.11 | javispedro | because if that were the case, then C# would be Java too. |
| 15:13.16 | crashanddie_ | what is it with idiots thinking of any n-series and going "OMFG I WANT A FULL DESKTOP ON IT!!!1111" |
| 15:13.26 | crashanddie_ | why do people even bother with KDE? |
| 15:13.30 | crashanddie_ | zerojayPC, no offence |
| 15:13.32 | zerojayPC | Because it works and works well. |
| 15:13.38 | Stskeeps | i don't want a full desktop, i just want the libs, heh |
| 15:13.42 | rmt | I think the n900's winning now .. can give my gf the 810. Or buy a jacket with a second front pocket. ;) |
| 15:13.52 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: same... not a KDE person either |
| 15:14.00 | crashanddie_ | rmt, you going to dash out £499 immediately? |
| 15:14.02 | javispedro | crashanddie_, looked at a symbian vnc client youtube video recently I guess? ;) |
| 15:14.18 | zerojayPC | crashanddie_: I would like a full desktop... but with smaller screensizes, it's not really all that great for usability. |
| 15:14.18 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, can't say I have |
| 15:14.18 | kirma | admits that only relatively graphically oriented piece of software he has ever adopted is the browser |
| 15:14.32 | crashanddie_ | kirma, how long you been in this community? |
| 15:14.34 | timeless_mbp | finally discovers that kirma is a nick |
| 15:14.36 | javispedro | crashanddie_, ah, I tough your OMGF quote was straight from it :) |
| 15:14.39 | timeless_mbp | kirma: what does 'adopted' mean? |
| 15:14.44 | rmt | crashanddie_, Old phone's on its way out.. just moved to Germany.. need a SIM and a phone.. |
| 15:14.51 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, oh, ok ^^ |
| 15:15.15 | kirma | all the rest is really in the terminal - thus I don't have much interest of *moving* the desktop experience to the tablets. and it would be even more absurd to move the terminal experience as is :) |
| 15:15.23 | rmt | Much Maemo work with Nokia done in Berlin? |
| 15:15.32 | timeless_mbp | rmt: does Nokia Maps count? |
| 15:15.33 | zerojayPC | Don't think so. |
| 15:15.59 | timeless_mbp | and beyond that, we probably can't say about where work is done unless it's publicly known |
| 15:16.14 | rmt | Hmm.. I've seen the job adverts for that.. don't think the listings so far are exactly my thing. |
| 15:16.16 | Stskeeps | maemo's developed in the caves of Mars! |
| 15:16.21 | crashanddie_ | Don't get me wrong, I love the n900, it's a very nice product, very polished, and finally up to a standard I'd feel comfortable adopting (compared to other smartphones), but please, fanbois, go back to your caves and don't block the intertubes. You're only allowed to yell about it when you have the pre-order coupon |
| 15:16.27 | rmt | nods. Smart move. |
| 15:16.27 | javispedro | everything's done in Russia, didn't your that guy's review? :) |
| 15:16.29 | kirma | crashhanddie_: well, I haven't tinkered with my 770 for quite a while, but I did some back then, and I did play with iPAQ running Linux before that. not very social activity, but still. |
| 15:16.35 | crashanddie_ | kirma, use the tab key |
| 15:20.35 | crashanddie_ | ~ping |
| 15:20.36 | infobot | ~pong |
| 15:20.42 | crashanddie_ | damn, this channel has gone quiet |
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| 15:21.00 | Stskeeps | moo |
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| 15:21.08 | zerojayPC | [11:48] <crashanddie_> Don't get me wrong, I love the n900, it's a very nice product, very polished, and finally up to a standard I'd feel comfortable adopting (compared to other smartphones), but please, fanbois, go back to your caves and don't block the intertubes. You're only allowed to yell about it when you have the pre-order coupon <--- what do you expect? lol |
| 15:21.22 | zerojayPC | Of course it's gone quiet. ;) |
| 15:21.35 | crashanddie_ | sorry |
| 15:21.40 | crashanddie_ | goes back into his troll-cage |
| 15:21.55 | javispedro | btw timeless_mbp: nokia.es fixed the "1GB RAM" "typo" in the store subdomain (by replacing the entire paragraph actually). The one on the frontpage remains. |
| 15:22.09 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah... i saw |
| 15:22.10 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 15:22.11 | timeless_mbp | reminds me |
| 15:22.21 | timeless_mbp | some firm in germany owes me a phone call |
| 15:23.05 | aol_ | can I yell |
| 15:23.12 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 15:23.25 | aol_ | I have preordered plus may or may not have access to one at work :P |
| 15:23.39 | aol_ | but I'm total geek so I dont count |
| 15:23.50 | crashanddie_ | Nokia was handing out free n900s on Thursday |
| 15:24.00 | aol_ | where ? |
| 15:24.02 | crashanddie_ | London |
| 15:24.04 | javispedro | suicides |
| 15:24.07 | crashanddie_ | onedotzero event |
| 15:24.17 | aol_ | damn |
| 15:24.20 | crashanddie_ | well |
| 15:24.24 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: yes, how is yours doing? ;) |
| 15:24.28 | crashanddie_ | not really *free* |
| 15:24.34 | crashanddie_ | they're lent or something |
| 15:24.42 | javispedro | aa |
| 15:24.43 | crashanddie_ | only to very good people |
| 15:24.48 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, did you get one? |
| 15:24.57 | aol_ | ah .. who cares about lending .... |
| 15:25.01 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: You *saw* mine |
| 15:25.01 | aol_ | nokia does that all the time |
| 15:25.12 | aol_ | getting something for free would be something |
| 15:25.22 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, I was drunk most of the time and looking at pretty ladies, excuse me for not retaining all the details |
| 15:25.25 | aol_ | got my n800 free, but don't have high expectations on the n900 |
| 15:25.34 | aol_ | so that's why preorder |
| 15:25.34 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hmm, any good places to check movie schedules for some cinemas in HEL? |
| 15:25.41 | timeless_mbp | finnkino.fi ? |
| 15:25.45 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: you in town? |
| 15:25.46 | Myrtti | bummer |
| 15:25.52 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: you beat me to it |
| 15:25.58 | timeless_mbp | http://www.finnkino.fi/?lang=eng |
| 15:26.04 | crashanddie_ | for a second I honestly thought Stskeeps was asking for cinema tips in HELL |
| 15:26.05 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: in a week for a week |
| 15:26.10 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 15:26.14 | timeless_mbp | i'll be in Ukraine or points around |
| 15:26.16 | timeless_mbp | have fun |
| 15:26.26 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, in the Ukraine? Kiev? |
| 15:26.27 | timeless_mbp | is still trying to figure out Belarus |
| 15:26.31 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: yes |
| 15:26.34 | timeless_mbp | do you know people there/ |
| 15:26.37 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, what hotel you staying at? |
| 15:26.39 | timeless_mbp | i fly in Thursday |
| 15:26.44 | timeless_mbp | i haven't gotten that far |
| 15:26.46 | timeless_mbp | :( |
| 15:26.46 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, I'll probably be at the President Hotel as always |
| 15:26.51 | Stskeeps | taking along the wife for weekend probably |
| 15:26.59 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, get a cab service booked before arriving there |
| 15:27.14 | timeless_mbp | from the airport or before flying? |
| 15:27.23 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, you do *NOT* want to get one of the 8000 cab drivers that wait at the airport to take you |
| 15:27.48 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 15:28.17 | timeless_mbp | i'm considering going to Uman too |
| 15:28.30 | timeless_mbp | but i really don't know the area |
| 15:28.35 | timeless_mbp | my biggest concern is Belarus |
| 15:28.39 | timeless_mbp | it seems you need a visa |
| 15:28.46 | timeless_mbp | but there's no consulate in Finland |
| 15:28.56 | timeless_mbp | i could go to Latvia first, which seems a bit unreasonable |
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| 15:29.08 | timeless_mbp | or i could try to get a visa while I'm in Ukraine |
| 15:30.42 | timeless_mbp | have you ever gone to belarus? |
| 15:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: well, that preorder coupon doesn't make me feel happy atm ;-) Waiting for 10/01 and days are so looong |
| 15:31.38 | crashanddie_ | 10th of january? |
| 15:31.47 | glass | eastern europe visas, not fun.. |
| 15:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: 2009/10/01 |
| 15:32.23 | crashanddie_ | timeless, you don't need a visa for the Ukraine |
| 15:32.28 | kirma | russian visas are pretty trivial to get from Finland, and I think Ukraine doesn't need one. Belarus is trickier, though. |
| 15:32.32 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie_: yeah, i know |
| 15:32.38 | timeless_mbp | but i'm hoping to go to Minsk too |
| 15:33.35 | kirma | but getting any sort of visa more or less overnight, or in less than a week, is going to be expensive |
| 15:33.58 | timeless_mbp | define expensive? |
| 15:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: I really wonder why not even devels had a chance to get a pre-massmarket device |
| 15:34.13 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: um |
| 15:34.19 | timeless_mbp | that's an inaccurate depiction |
| 15:34.25 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, devels have |
| 15:34.34 | timeless_mbp | we've shared probably two dozen devices to devels who need them |
| 15:34.47 | timeless_mbp | everyone else doesn't actually need the hardware until the software is really ready |
| 15:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | so it's not exactly mentioned in developers newsletter of Nokia anyway |
| 15:35.00 | crashanddie_ | there's like 4 different revisions of the device out there |
| 15:35.02 | kirma | timeless_mbp: something like 150 euros extra easily on russian visa, if I remember right. |
| 15:35.06 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, of course not |
| 15:35.15 | kirma | if you want one overnight, I mean. |
| 15:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: lol. I thought it's exactly other way round |
| 15:35.35 | timeless_mbp | kirma: yeah, i had that problem, i gave up on getting a russian visa the last time i did the research |
| 15:36.33 | kirma | if you have about a week that you can wait, it's much easier. still, stupid bureaucratic process that doesn't serve any other purpose than bringing money to the country and gripes to the foreigners... |
| 15:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: well, maybe I'm a little biased by developing OM hw and watching the endless FOSS development |
| 15:37.32 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: so... |
| 15:37.37 | timeless_mbp | maemo is a channel for a software platform |
| 15:37.42 | timeless_mbp | if you want to complain about nokia policy |
| 15:37.46 | kirma | I think closest belarussian consulate, looking from Helsinki, is in Tallinn. but... still, the "standard" processing time is one week, and quicker costs more money. |
| 15:37.53 | timeless_mbp | please do me a favor and contact nokia through some public nokia entrypoint |
| 15:38.26 | timeless_mbp | e.g. their Press, PR, Corporate Affairs, whatever |
| 15:38.27 | timeless_mbp | not here. |
| 15:38.27 | lopz | hola |
| 15:38.30 | timeless_mbp | kirma: since i fly to Kiev this Thursday, that's not helpful :) |
| 15:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | Did I complain? |
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| 15:40.00 | timeless_mbp | you were starting to, yes |
| 15:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, so sorry |
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| 15:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: please tell me - is it maemo (SW) or N900 (HW) that's responsible for USB breaking specs when charging via USB? (if that ticket http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2310 actualy holds valid in the end). The ticket reporter told me Nokia guys were rather concerned about that, and I wonder how I could help to debug without the HW - even if that's preliminary SW on there. No kidding or offense intended |
| 15:46.25 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: it was my device :) |
| 15:46.36 | GAN800 | needs a battery. :( |
| 15:47.22 | timeless_mbp | as far as i understand, the hardware isn't responsible for not killing things |
| 15:48.31 | GAN800 | Or a new N900. |
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| 15:49.58 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: note that dumb usb chargers can provide 1.2 amps iirc |
| 15:50.20 | DocScrutinizer | USB is speced up to 100mA afaik |
| 15:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | 1000 even |
| 15:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | the connectors |
| 15:51.14 | javispedro | back in my days it was 100mA, then 500mA if the device provided the adequate descriptor |
| 15:51.16 | timeless_mbp | 100mA you can get for free w/o asking |
| 15:51.22 | timeless_mbp | 500mA if you ask nicely |
| 15:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | anyway any device should do a kind of negotiation to draw more than 100. For more than 500 that would be USB2.0-chager specs which have a mandatory short of D+ and D- |
| 15:52.05 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: 1. i'm a software guy |
| 15:52.08 | timeless_mbp | 2. i'm a software guy |
| 15:52.21 | timeless_mbp | 3. in software, it's the job of software to be tolerant of bogus input |
| 15:52.28 | timeless_mbp | in hardware, the same should apply |
| 15:52.28 | kirma | oh, lindi's episode with phone-to-phone charging was... interesting. but not as dramatic as it might seem from the bug report :) |
| 15:52.49 | timeless_mbp | yeah, it didn't smoke visibly until he removed the battery |
| 15:53.06 | timeless_mbp | and then it was more of a smell than smoke |
| 15:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: my question was, does SW or does HW this negotiation in N900 (test for that D/- short to indicate charger) |
| 15:54.05 | timeless_mbp | i work on a web browser |
| 15:54.09 | timeless_mbp | i don't do usb work |
| 15:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | or is it done at all? |
| 15:54.23 | timeless_mbp | but in general, it's probably going to be done by software |
| 15:54.44 | aol_ | the miniusb charged phones have to break the usb standard |
| 15:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's where my demand for a developer device comes in |
| 15:54.49 | aol_ | mini/micro |
| 15:55.06 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: why |
| 15:55.10 | aol_ | otherwise it would take them 10 hours to charge ... |
| 15:55.18 | timeless_mbp | you want to get an NDA so you can sue the vendor when it isn't ready for prime time? |
| 15:55.23 | timeless_mbp | you think that's going to hold up? |
| 15:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | can't reproduce the bug otherwise. Can't help fix a possible bug in maemo |
| 15:55.43 | SpeedEvil | aol_: they don't - the USB standard has extensions specally for chargers |
| 15:55.58 | timeless_mbp | you're assuming we aren't aware that the usb behavior isn't per spec |
| 15:55.59 | aol_ | SpeedEvil: hm ok, I did not know that |
| 15:56.07 | timeless_mbp | we're not asking for help |
| 15:56.43 | crashanddie_ | who the hell wants an NDA? |
| 15:56.45 | DocScrutinizer | fine then :-/ |
| 15:58.12 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: do note that lindi was warned in advance that the device was not conforming to standards |
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| 15:58.25 | timeless_mbp | it was a plug-in to my device at your own risk |
| 15:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | away... find nicer playground |
| 16:01.06 | Stskeeps | neat @ bug report |
| 16:02.20 | javispedro | Yeah. Nice. |
| 16:02.20 | Stskeeps | especially the temperature jumping 31 to 58 degrees |
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| 16:02.38 | javispedro | reminds me of my poor palmt|x trying to power up my usb scanner |
| 16:03.12 | javispedro | I considered that one defective and sent it back to Palm. I was right. |
| 16:05.59 | MrYeti1 | Is there a separate pymaemo channel? |
| 16:06.00 | lardman | hmm, interesting |
| 16:06.11 | lardman | MrYeti1: not that I know of, ask away |
| 16:06.57 | MrYeti1 | I'm trying to spawn my hildon-python app from a hildon widget, But get errors about Button arrangements |
| 16:07.06 | MrYeti1 | /home/robin/hamster-applet/hamster/edit_activity.py:387: Warning: IA__g_object_new_valist: object class `HildonTimeButton' has no property named `arrangement' self.start_time = hildon.TimeButton(gtk.HILDON_SIZE_AUTO , hildon.BUTTON_ARRANGEMENT_VERTICAL) |
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| 16:10.36 | ShadowJK | 2A, that's impressive |
| 16:12.34 | MrYeti1 | Also, How do you use use HomeSystemFont or SmallSystemFont - http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Human_Interface_Guidelines/Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines#Typography |
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| 16:14.23 | lardman | no idea from me, though the error message for the first one is pretty explicit |
| 16:14.28 | ShadowJK | on N8x0 there's no charging at all without software, btw |
| 16:14.34 | javispedro | wonders when was common sense lost in hw design |
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| 16:15.05 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 16:20.26 | MrYeti1 | lardman: Yeah, the error message does seem straight-forward, the part confusing me is that it works when not called from the widget. |
| 16:21.11 | crashanddie_ | MrYeti1, library issues |
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| 16:23.02 | MrYeti1 | crashanddie_: An issue with my use of the library? or a deeper problem i can't fix? |
| 16:24.01 | Stskeeps | mm, typical linux friendly laptops, any hints? and no, i can't get a ARM laptop right now :/ |
| 16:24.30 | GAN800 | Dell? |
| 16:24.59 | Stskeeps | my last dell overheated with ubuntu to the point i doubt i'll have children |
| 16:25.13 | GAN800 | Laptops suck anyway |
| 16:27.06 | crashanddie_ | MrYeti1, no, your widget doesn't have access to the correct libraries |
| 16:27.26 | crashanddie_ | MrYeti1, that's why it doesn't know that HildonTimeButton has a property named arrangement |
| 16:27.34 | Stskeeps | ponders if the manufacturers will look oddly when i demand a serial port |
| 16:30.20 | MrGoose | finds a canola plugin for remember-the-milk |
| 16:30.30 | MrGoose | is very happy |
| 16:30.54 | paperclip1 | Stskeeps: Was your last laptop a Vostro 1400/Inspiron 1420, by any chance? |
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| 16:31.15 | MrGoose | speaking of which, are vostro laptops any good? |
| 16:31.32 | MrGoose | they are a bit cheaper though |
| 16:32.20 | paperclip1 | I have a Vostro 1400, and Fedora 11 runs fine. I had some sound issues in Fedora 10, though. |
| 16:33.36 | paperclip1 | Also, I had to have the motherboard replaced because the GPU overheated or somesuch. |
| 16:33.40 | radic | where are the names of the menu-entries stored? |
| 16:33.45 | MrGoose | I had an xps 1330 laptop with the faulty 8400 nvidia adapter |
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| 16:34.18 | MrGoose | and I thought that I'll never buy a dell with nvidia in it again |
| 16:35.16 | paperclip1 | FWIW, the Vostro tech support was excellent. |
| 16:35.37 | frals | ive had my xps 1330 with the "faulty" 8400 for 2 years now, still no problems with it :+ |
| 16:35.52 | paperclip1 | frals: did you update the BOIS? |
| 16:35.53 | MrGoose | I didnt say that their tech support was bad |
| 16:36.02 | frals | yeah |
| 16:36.11 | MrGoose | but why produce bad devices in the first place? |
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| 16:36.17 | Andy80 | hey guys... we're over 300 registered people for the summit... |
| 16:36.26 | Andy80 | should we close the registration form? |
| 16:36.29 | MrGoose | what summit? |
| 16:36.32 | GAN800 | Time to start killing them off. |
| 16:36.34 | MrGoose | googles |
| 16:36.50 | GAN800 | Maemo Summit |
| 16:36.51 | Andy80 | MrGoose: Maemo Summit |
| 16:36.58 | paperclip1 | If you don't know whether the device will be good or bad, you're better off knowing that the support is good. |
| 16:37.10 | jeremiah | Andy80: Are you serious? Already 300? Wow. |
| 16:37.28 | Andy80 | more than 300 :) |
| 16:37.40 | MrGoose | ah Netherlands! |
| 16:37.45 | jeremiah | They expected 300 but we might get 500 |
| 16:37.47 | jeremiah | amazing |
| 16:37.48 | MrGoose | yes you can close it now :D |
| 16:37.48 | frals | thats how i pick where to buy stuff, even if the product is a tad more expensive its so worth it knowing you are gonna get proper support if something goes to hell |
| 16:38.53 | MrGoose | frals: I would've wanted to downgrade from the motherboard with the nvidia adapter to the one with the intel adapter but they wouldnt allow that |
| 16:39.27 | MrGoose | because then they wont be able to give us refurbished nvidia motherboard |
| 16:39.30 | MrGoose | *motherboards |
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| 16:39.57 | MrGoose | for me that is evil |
| 16:40.23 | n6pfkk | Hi, is there a nxclient available for the N810? |
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| 17:34.28 | zeev | Hi, what is the name of the application that can turn N810 into an wlan access point? |
| 17:35.22 | zeev | (to share cellular internet connection) |
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| 17:38.18 | zeev | is there smth. like this? |
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| 17:43.04 | zerojay | I'm on the roof of a museum with the sum coming down and my feet in blue sand. |
| 17:44.28 | Stskeeps | shrooms and n900 doesn't go well together? |
| 17:46.17 | Stskeeps | okay, so a guy is posting on a forum Mer kills internal SD chip because it writes when battery is really low |
| 17:46.24 | Stskeeps | is there any sort of merit to this? |
| 17:48.46 | crashanddie_ | zerojay, is the sum like a oephemism for your wife? |
| 17:48.46 | SpeedEvil | The hardware should keep a stable voltage, and reset or turn off when it goes out of spec. |
| 17:48.51 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: |
| 17:49.32 | SpeedEvil | Stskeeps: the SD will be run off a regulated supply - as the CPU. |
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| 17:57.33 | lardman | anyone have Andre's email address handy? |
| 17:57.58 | ShadowJK | iirc on n8x0 the hw shuts down after the voltage drops below sd write voltage |
| 17:58.21 | ShadowJK | (but bme and hal-bme should shut it down way before that) |
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| 17:59.18 | Khertan | arg my nit is still in looping reboot while charging |
| 17:59.34 | mojocafe | khertan: call neo. it might be a bug in the matrix! |
| 18:00.04 | Khertan | mojocafe: could you give me the number ? |
| 18:00.14 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:00.22 | MrGoose | neo doesnt maintain the matrix |
| 18:00.27 | MrGoose | its the architect |
| 18:00.31 | MrGoose | damn noobs |
| 18:00.32 | Khertan | true |
| 18:00.33 | MrGoose | :P |
| 18:00.45 | MrGoose | kidding |
| 18:01.06 | Khertan | seems to be software anyway ... didn't have the problem after flash ... |
| 18:01.28 | Khertan | but don't know which apps/things do it |
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| 18:07.51 | MrGoose | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9boWsVfKNo |
| 18:09.33 | mojocafe | hey guys... anyone from britain in here ? I just uploaded the latest mojo and i am sure that britains are going to love it !!!! www.mojocafe.net |
| 18:09.49 | mojocafe | anyone of you would like to see his/her country flag as full screen widget ? |
| 18:14.25 | lardman | lol, people will think I'm a far right |
| 18:14.36 | mojocafe | lardman: what does that mean? |
| 18:14.41 | MrGoose | lardman: use the french flag |
| 18:14.42 | lardman | a member of the far right |
| 18:14.45 | lardman | nationalist |
| 18:14.51 | lardman | MrGoose: hmm :) |
| 18:14.52 | MrGoose | or the libyan flag |
| 18:14.54 | mojocafe | lol |
| 18:15.28 | MrGoose | actually |
| 18:15.36 | MrGoose | does the pirate party have a flag? |
| 18:15.47 | lardman | FSM would be good :) |
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| 18:36.13 | thopiekar | hi |
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| 18:43.26 | thopiekar | is that possible? wanna create a chroot as a *.bin, mount it on my N800, with everything needed to write and compile, upload via ttyUSB0 (with host-mode) to my ardunio. |
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| 18:44.07 | thopiekar | I would just need to link /dev/ttyUSB0 with the one in my chroot, isn't it? |
| 18:45.30 | thopiekar | - arduino.cc |
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| 18:46.12 | thopiekar | - code.google.com/p/arduino/ |
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| 19:05.36 | MrYeti1 | I'm still having trouble with my hildon widget... |
| 19:05.44 | MrYeti1 | The first error i get is: /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/lib-timeout-home-applet.py:18: Warning: cannot register existing type `HildonButtonArrangement' |
| 19:06.32 | MrYeti1 | Python... using dir(hildon) gives the same as running an app. |
| 19:06.42 | MrYeti1 | *running from the app |
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| 19:11.47 | Khertan | Hello ! |
| 19:12.49 | Khertan | THIS RELEASE WAS ACCIDENTIALLY DELETED, PLEASE WAIT FOR 0.16<<< hum ... when i decide to scratch my sys ... |
| 19:12.50 | Khertan | ;( |
| 19:13.34 | Stskeeps | Khertan: yeah, i messed up |
| 19:13.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:13.36 | Stskeeps | i |
| 19:13.41 | Stskeeps | 'm regenerating the images right now |
| 19:13.57 | Khertan | :) |
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| 19:19.47 | rm_you | ok srsly need to decide when i'm going to arrive in amsterdam... i'm leaning towards early thursday morning? |
| 19:20.31 | Khertan | same here |
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| 19:20.34 | rm_you | am hoping to manage arriving at the same time as others |
| 19:20.46 | rm_you | so we could all catch a cab/bus/train/whatever |
| 19:21.01 | rm_you | strength in numbers :P |
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| 19:32.06 | thopiekar | hey where can i find the apt's uninstall scripts.. need to edit some to get my chroot work |
| 19:33.41 | t_s_o | the stuff that apt performs when you uninstall a specific deb? try opening the deb with a archive program as iirc its a tar-ball... |
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| 19:34.48 | crashanddie_ | thopiekar, use dpkg-buildpackage and the like to extract the source from your .deb |
| 19:34.59 | crashanddie_ | thopiekar, you'll get the install and uninstall scripts |
| 19:35.09 | crashanddie_ | thopiekar, just read about .deb file structure as a whole, and how it is created |
| 19:35.13 | thopiekar | I have trouble with removing dbus and pulseaudio.. when removing them it trys to stop the services but they return 1 :/ |
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| 19:35.33 | qwerty12_N810 | thopiekar: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 19:35.40 | crashanddie_ | why in the name of whatever would you want to remove dbus and pulseaudio? |
| 19:35.53 | crashanddie_ | I mean, pulseaudio, fair enough |
| 19:35.56 | crashanddie_ | but dbus????? |
| 19:36.05 | crashanddie_ | what are you trying to do? |
| 19:36.24 | thopiekar | crashanddie_: see above :P |
| 19:36.28 | crashanddie_ | because if it's breaking your system, I'd say you're pretty much on crack |
| 19:36.29 | crashanddie_ | err, track |
| 19:36.51 | Stskeeps | both |
| 19:37.05 | crashanddie_ | thopiekar, you should *not* have to remove dbus or whatever just to chroot into another environment |
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| 19:37.26 | thopiekar | hmm k |
| 19:38.35 | crashanddie_ | wow, penguinbait a candidate to the council |
| 19:38.35 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d27e78bf8 |
| 19:38.44 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: world's coming to an end |
| 19:38.47 | thopiekar | thats why i want to deinstall them |
| 19:38.50 | crashanddie_ | andrewfblack and penguinbait, if those two make it in the council, we're done for |
| 19:38.55 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: :D |
| 19:39.11 | vasily_pupkin | any ideas about porting mac80211 on 2.6.21? :] |
| 19:39.46 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: nah, afb is slightly more sane |
| 19:40.02 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, he probably did the shortest introduction in the history of introductions |
| 19:40.10 | thopiekar | do you have a solution? |
| 19:40.20 | crashanddie_ | "Hi, I'm afb, and I'd like to be on the council. kthxbai" |
| 19:40.36 | crashanddie_ | thopiekar, yes, but it doesn't involve hacking away at uninstall scripts so you won't be happy |
| 19:40.48 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: a candidate for the people who doesn't care about introductions :) |
| 19:40.56 | thopiekar | so? |
| 19:41.18 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, it's important, the guy basically said "I couldn't be bothered to go through the full process the last time, so I just gave up" |
| 19:41.50 | crashanddie_ | "I decided to run for the Council this time I have considered it the first two times but never followed thru on signing up I think its time I go for it." |
| 19:41.54 | crashanddie_ | I mean... seriously |
| 19:41.55 | Khertan | Stskeeps: using image 0.14 and doing an apt-get upgrade isn't enought ? |
| 19:42.26 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: *shrug* :) |
| 19:42.55 | crashanddie_ | yo, rideau, enought? |
| 19:43.01 | crashanddie_ | t'essayes de tricher au scrabble, c'est ca? |
| 19:43.03 | Stskeeps | Khertan: not sure if we broke anything 0.14->0.15 |
| 19:43.18 | Khertan | not sure ... ok i ll try :) |
| 19:44.13 | Stskeeps | also i'm not sure 0.14 images are there :P |
| 19:46.02 | Khertan | i m sure ;) i can't found it :) |
| 19:46.14 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 19:46.16 | Stskeeps | uploading new 0.15 images :P |
| 19:46.21 | Khertan | so i ll wait that you release the 0.15 again :) |
| 19:46.25 | Khertan | oh thanks |
| 19:50.09 | Khertan | an estimated time ? |
| 19:50.32 | Stskeeps | uploading right now:P it's 1.8gb |
| 19:50.38 | Stskeeps | at 500k/s |
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| 19:54.23 | radic | If I start any application there isn't "XXX Loading" |
| 19:54.52 | RST38h | and? |
| 19:54.53 | qwerty12_N810 | That only comes if you load a porn site from the application menu |
| 19:54.54 | radic | I mean there aren't displayed the correct names |
| 19:55.05 | radic | hi qwerty12_N810 |
| 19:55.17 | qwerty12_N810 | hi radic |
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| 20:12.52 | LoCusF_ | http://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1038 <- compcache packages with automatic startup on reboot, for diablo |
| 20:14.16 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 20:14.20 | Stskeeps | how is stability_ |
| 20:14.22 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 20:15.56 | RST38h | rofls |
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| 20:16.32 | Stskeeps | installs happily |
| 20:16.32 | RST38h | Apparently, RedHat Gnome comes with a font where I and l look exactly the same |
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| 20:17.21 | RST38h | When asked what she sees, a [blonde?] girl says "well, it is a capital pipe symbol and a small pipe symbol" |
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| 20:19.37 | SpeedEvil | 1l |
| 20:19.41 | SpeedEvil | li |
| 20:19.43 | SpeedEvil | LI |
| 20:19.59 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 20:20.37 | khertan | || ? |
| 20:21.04 | khertan | | ll |||| || ll ||||||| ll ? |
| 20:21.17 | LoCusF_ | Stskeeps: its good now, I got Nitin Gupta to fix the ARM version for android and n810, so no more crashes :) |
| 20:21.45 | Stskeeps | LoCusF_: now a user |
| 20:22.14 | LoCusF_ | when Fremantle comes, I'll compile it right away |
| 20:22.27 | LoCusF_ | cool :) |
| 20:23.21 | LoCusF_ | remember to disable swap for mmc first |
| 20:23.59 | LoCusF_ | now sleep -> |
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| 20:34.32 | radic | the Map-application couldn't download any maps |
| 20:35.17 | luke-jr | RST38h: the difference between I and l in Console is 1 pixel |
| 20:35.36 | radic | luke-jr: two! |
| 20:36.05 | luke-jr | no, one |
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| 20:44.58 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 20:45.07 | timeless_mbp | anyone know the person who's maintaining... |
| 20:45.12 | crashanddie_ | luke-jr, change the font? |
| 20:45.13 | AStorm | radic: report problems to Wayfinder. |
| 20:45.15 | AStorm | it's theirs |
| 20:45.25 | crashanddie_ | I think that's why fonts were in such popular use |
| 20:45.34 | luke-jr | crashanddie_: I like the font. |
| 20:45.35 | crashanddie_ | because some people prefer certain fonts, and others prefer others! |
| 20:45.59 | AStorm | crashanddie_: ayub |
| 20:46.02 | crashanddie_ | timeless_mbp, maintaining what? |
| 20:46.06 | AStorm | the nokia fonts are fine with me |
| 20:46.11 | AStorm | but dejavu series is great too |
| 20:46.25 | timeless_mbp | maelstrom? |
| 20:46.30 | crashanddie_ | AStorm, ? |
| 20:47.01 | AStorm | crashanddie_: about fonts, duh |
| 20:47.09 | crashanddie_ | ayub? |
| 20:47.11 | crashanddie_ | is that a font? |
| 20:47.20 | AStorm | no. that's ayup with a typo |
| 20:47.43 | crashanddie_ | Cuz google gives me a rebel leader in 945, and a paki president |
| 20:47.52 | AStorm | hehehe |
| 20:48.05 | AStorm | you never know what you find after googling a typo |
| 20:48.15 | AStorm | it could've meant something dirty |
| 20:48.22 | crashanddie_ | AStorm, what's your name? |
| 20:48.28 | AStorm | ? |
| 20:48.31 | AStorm | real or handle? |
| 20:48.38 | crashanddie_ | real |
| 20:48.39 | AStorm | also, /msg nickserv |
| 20:49.07 | AStorm | oh, nopes |
| 20:49.13 | AStorm | I must've removed it |
| 20:49.16 | AStorm | Radosław Szkodziński |
| 20:49.42 | crashanddie_ | bloody hell |
| 20:49.47 | crashanddie_ | I'm not even going to bother googling that |
| 20:50.02 | AStorm | heh |
| 20:50.05 | crashanddie_ | Sebastian the Crab (full name "Horatio Thelonious Ignacious Crustaceous Sebastian") is a Disney character who first appears in Disney's 1989 The Little Mermaid |
| 20:50.08 | AStorm | you'd find only my traces. |
| 20:50.14 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_ <-- cyberstalker |
| 20:50.32 | AStorm | I'm careful to never put my address in public forms |
| 20:50.36 | RST38h | crashanddie: Have all Disney characters got names like that? |
| 20:50.36 | AStorm | :) |
| 20:51.00 | crashanddie_ | Faheem: The definition is derived from the Arabic verb 'fa-he ma' or the source 'Fahm' which means to lack understanding. |
| 20:51.11 | RST38h | And BTW, what was the linker line for The Little Mermaid? Which libraries did they link against? |
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| 20:51.25 | crashanddie_ | hey EdLin |
| 20:51.41 | EdLin | hey |
| 20:51.44 | RST38h | Shit, qwerty is out of luck =) |
| 20:51.49 | EdLin | trying to get znc to work properly, sorry for the joins and parts |
| 20:52.09 | crashanddie_ | EdLin, just noticed you had the securabit mask |
| 20:52.23 | EdLin | yup |
| 20:52.52 | crashanddie_ | btw |
| 20:52.57 | crashanddie_ | Far Cry 2 SUCKS |
| 20:53.46 | zerojay | I work with one of the sound guys from FC2. |
| 20:53.58 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, seriously, you were crying cuz you didn't have any cool games, FC2 would make you regret that statement. After playing FC2, even tetris or pacman is new and refreshing |
| 20:54.29 | crashanddie_ | most boring piece of shit ever made, can't believe ubisoft released that crap |
| 20:54.36 | AStorm | crashanddie_: in a lazy translation, my real name could mean: one-who-is-famous-for-advice |
| 20:54.56 | crashanddie_ | I guess you just proved a point there |
| 20:55.01 | AStorm | or for happiness |
| 20:55.08 | AStorm | depending on your take on the name. |
| 20:55.08 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: Hmm? TBH, I barely play games. Last game I played (properly) was GTA: SA... |
| 20:55.16 | zerojay | Ubisoft |
| 20:55.50 | crashanddie_ | Assassin's Creed was an actually good game |
| 20:56.07 | crashanddie_ | but then again, it was the french canadian division of Ubisoft who developed that... |
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| 20:56.24 | zerojay | I was playing through ac1 when my boss plopped the script for ac2 on my desk. |
| 20:56.28 | crashanddie_ | And the only way for the french canadian game industry to produce anything that's remotely bad would be for them to tell 3 year olds to snort crack |
| 20:56.39 | zerojay | Thanks for ruining the series for me, lol |
| 20:56.39 | crashanddie_ | zerojay, bollocks, there's no script |
| 20:56.58 | zerojay | There's a full script. |
| 20:57.01 | crashanddie_ | oh, ac |
| 20:57.05 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 20:57.08 | crashanddie_ | no fc, lol, misread that |
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| 20:57.29 | crashanddie_ | zerojay, what do you do, exactly? |
| 20:57.44 | crashanddie_ | zerojay, let's be honest though, the end of ac1 was seriously rushed |
| 20:57.54 | zerojay | Wasn't rushed. |
| 20:58.01 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: Take the "Canadian" part out and all one can expect to see is bad games |
| 20:58.03 | zerojay | Promise. |
| 20:58.18 | crashanddie_ | absolutely no clue at all what's happening, completely "omfg da vinci code was good, let's go that way too" |
| 20:58.29 | crashanddie_ | did dan brown actually help write the script? |
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| 20:58.45 | zerojay | The's so much i wish i could tell you right now. |
| 20:59.01 | crashanddie_ | took me 20 minutes alone to understand that I could use the eagle vision |
| 20:59.24 | crashanddie_ | (I got the game on wednesday, finished it on thursday morning) |
| 20:59.29 | zerojay | You'll see more "bleeding" like that. |
| 20:59.48 | crashanddie_ | well, I'm guessing that subject 16 left a lot of clues around the place |
| 21:00.04 | crashanddie_ | and that we'll have to use those clues to find whatever the pharma company is after |
| 21:00.57 | zerojay | They are the modern knights templar. |
| 21:01.07 | crashanddie_ | there's some chinese references on the walls, as well as american (as in, native american) and stuff |
| 21:01.38 | crashanddie_ | so I'm guessing we'll be using the animus to go back to probably several different eras in time |
| 21:02.16 | zerojay | Animus 2.0's... Heh... Interesting. |
| 21:02.41 | crashanddie_ | medieval china would be cool, cool buildings and loads of details to climb on, also, sword would make sense |
| 21:02.46 | zerojay | If you liked ac1, ac2 will make you happier. |
| 21:02.47 | crashanddie_ | maya didn't really use swords that much |
| 21:02.56 | crashanddie_ | but will have to see |
| 21:03.14 | crashanddie_ | I just hope they don't go the ancient egypt way |
| 21:03.30 | zerojay | There was an analyst claiming he knew ac2 was french revolution. |
| 21:03.39 | zerojay | I had a big laugh at that bs. |
| 21:03.43 | RST38h | you hopeless virtual tourists |
| 21:03.53 | crashanddie_ | that would be pretty boring |
| 21:04.04 | RST38h | when have you played an actually FUN game last time? |
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| 21:04.28 | Stskeeps | pacman |
| 21:04.31 | Stskeeps | and bubble bobble! |
| 21:04.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:04.33 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, I told her to yell out of the window everytime I spanked her, that was fun |
| 21:04.33 | RST38h | yep |
| 21:04.34 | zerojay | Fun's different to everyone. |
| 21:04.54 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie_: blow-up dolls don't speak |
| 21:05.08 | RST38h | virtual tourism stopped being fun somewhere around quake3 |
| 21:05.13 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, how many chicks gave you their numbers at 1.0? |
| 21:05.36 | crashanddie_ | 0 |
| 21:05.46 | zerojay | Virtual tourism? |
| 21:06.02 | crashanddie_ | onedotzero in London |
| 21:06.31 | qwerty12_N810 | I didn't hang around |
| 21:06.46 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12_N810, you should've |
| 21:08.13 | RST38h | zerojay: that is when they give you a gun and let you wonder around some 3d world or another beating baddies |
| 21:08.31 | Stskeeps | why did i read that as ladies? |
| 21:09.08 | RST38h | Sts: Shrink to the rescue! |
| 21:09.43 | crashanddie_ | i read that "being given a gun and let you wander around some 3rd world country" |
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| 21:15.08 | Dantonic | hi |
| 21:16.15 | Dantonic | hey small question, I'm logged into my ubuntu box through ssh. what is the command to copy file and folders from the box to my NIT? thought it was "get boxpath NITpath" isnt that correct? |
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| 21:19.19 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, no |
| 21:19.32 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, no need to be connected through SSH first |
| 21:19.42 | Dantonic | oh? |
| 21:19.58 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, what you can do is: scp username@host:/path/to/file/name.ext /path/to/where/to/put/it/on/your/NIT |
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| 21:20.24 | Dantonic | I see, how would I use that command if I wanted to copy a whole directory? |
| 21:20.30 | Dantonic | a folder |
| 21:21.04 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, what you can do is: scp -r username@host:/path/to/directory /path/to/where/to/put/it/on/your/NIT |
| 21:21.17 | Dantonic | I see -r for recursive? |
| 21:21.35 | crashanddie_ | or if on your desktop to your nit: scp -r /path/to/directory username@host:/path/to/destination |
| 21:21.56 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, also, man scp |
| 21:22.20 | Dantonic | cool well but what if I'm in through ssh because I'm browsing the folders, let's say I dont know what I need until I see it and I'm in that directory, how do I copy while logged in? same way? |
| 21:23.17 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, read |
| 21:23.25 | crashanddie_ | Dantonic, I gave you the solution already |
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| 21:29.38 | Dantonic | damn says "permission" denied on my local path |
| 21:29.48 | Dantonic | crashanddie_, I'm using /MyDocs as my local path |
| 21:31.11 | Dantonic | I need sudo maybe? |
| 21:31.40 | Dantonic | trying |
| 21:31.51 | lardman | what are you doing? |
| 21:32.06 | Dantonic | just trying to copy from my ubuntu box to my NIT |
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| 21:32.10 | Dantonic | trying to login from my nit |
| 21:32.22 | Dantonic | crashanddie_, suggested an scp command |
| 21:32.36 | lardman | file transfer then? |
| 21:32.39 | Dantonic | ah it worked with sudo |
| 21:32.41 | Dantonic | yes |
| 21:32.51 | Dantonic | I used scp -r username@host:/path/to/directory /path/to/where/to/put/it/on/your/NIT |
| 21:32.58 | lardman | I'd use sftp, but scp should also work |
| 21:33.05 | Dantonic | it did... |
| 21:33.39 | Dantonic | lardman, maybe you know, if I'm logged in through ssh from my N800 to the desktop, and browsing files, and I want to copy some files to my N800 would I use the same scp command? |
| 21:34.16 | lardman | hmm, no idea, haven't used scp for years |
| 21:34.17 | lardman | sorry |
| 21:34.23 | Dantonic | np |
| 21:36.30 | johnx | Dantonic, so you want to run scp on the desktop or the n800? |
| 21:37.17 | Dantonic | hey johnx I'm only using the N800 |
| 21:37.25 | Dantonic | just wondering if I'm logged in through ssh |
| 21:37.31 | Dantonic | browsing my desktops file system |
| 21:37.39 | Dantonic | and I want to copy some files or a directory to my N800 |
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| 21:37.45 | Dantonic | do I still use scp command? |
| 21:37.59 | Dantonic | or just cp? |
| 21:38.07 | johnx | yeah, but in that case you'd be executing the scp command on your desktop |
| 21:38.10 | ShellEvil | scp is for remote use |
| 21:38.13 | ShellEvil | generally |
| 21:38.14 | Dantonic | ah ok |
| 21:38.23 | johnx | ie: you're telling your desktop "run scp" |
| 21:38.44 | Dantonic | so to copy I would just do what? cp -r direcotry/path user@N800:/path ? |
| 21:38.47 | johnx | so you'd say: scp file.jpg user@192.168.1.x:/home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 21:39.11 | johnx | being logged into your desktop with ssh is *exactly* the same as actually sitting at it |
| 21:39.18 | Dantonic | yah with scp, but if I'm logged into ssh and browsing the desktops file directory, is there a way to just copy while logged into the desktop? |
| 21:39.25 | Dantonic | ah I see |
| 21:39.33 | Dantonic | aaaaah ok |
| 21:39.35 | Dantonic | :P |
| 21:39.44 | johnx | however, in that case: sftp or gftp are good commands to use |
| 21:39.48 | Dantonic | so it would just be the inverse command |
| 21:39.58 | Dantonic | oh how do those work? |
| 21:40.05 | johnx | you have gftp, right? |
| 21:40.10 | timeless_mbp | johnx: depends one whether or not audio works :) |
| 21:40.30 | johnx | timeless_mbp, hmm? |
| 21:40.32 | Dantonic | I have gftp client installed on my NIT, and I was trying to figure out how to setup a server on my desktop... but I'm guessing I don't need that do I to just transfer files :P |
| 21:40.51 | johnx | Dantonic, you already *have* a server setup if you can ssh to your desktop :P |
| 21:40.52 | timeless_mbp | johnx: ssh isn't a perfect equivalent :) |
| 21:40.53 | Dantonic | I'm not very familiar with ftp |
| 21:41.20 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: basically if you can establish an ssh connection, you can establish an scp or sftp connection |
| 21:41.25 | johnx | timeless_mbp, I appreciate the nit picking, but I'm talking in generalities for the time being |
| 21:41.28 | timeless_mbp | they use the same handshake |
| 21:41.41 | timeless_mbp | and nearly identical argument |
| 21:41.44 | timeless_mbp | s |
| 21:41.54 | Dantonic | timeless, johnx could you give me a sample usage of the ftp command? |
| 21:42.07 | Dantonic | why use one over the other? |
| 21:42.16 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 21:42.19 | johnx | Dantonic, have you ever used ftp on the command line? |
| 21:42.26 | timeless_mbp | scp is for single instance transactions |
| 21:42.27 | Dantonic | johnx, never |
| 21:42.40 | timeless_mbp | sftp is for multiple transactions + directory browsing |
| 21:42.46 | johnx | Dantonic, how about I walk you through how to use gftp |
| 21:42.49 | johnx | I think you'll like it |
| 21:42.50 | timeless_mbp | ssh is for generic remote command execution |
| 21:42.54 | Dantonic | sure if you don't mind! |
| 21:43.06 | johnx | no prob, let me reboot into maemo :) |
| 21:45.00 | esaym153 | Are any of the third party web browsers better than the default one? |
| 21:45.12 | esaym153 | The default one seems slow and eats ram... |
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| 21:45.22 | johnx | Tear |
| 21:45.44 | esaym153 | hmm, I will try it out |
| 21:45.57 | johnx | it's pretty awesome really |
| 21:46.13 | johnx | and try using it with the "iphone" versions of websites if you want even more speed and slickness |
| 21:46.20 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 21:46.22 | timeless_mbp | that's unfair |
| 21:46.26 | Dantonic | idk I still prefer MicroB... Tear works nicely, but it's still not 100% compatible with some sites... there are hangups here and there... |
| 21:46.36 | timeless_mbp | the default browser appreciates iPhone pages as much as any other mobile browser |
| 21:46.37 | johnx | Dantonic, alright, got gftp in front of me |
| 21:46.38 | Dantonic | but it is fast! |
| 21:46.42 | esaym153 | what is the browserd process that is always running i the background? If I install tear should I try to kill that process? |
| 21:46.44 | Dantonic | ok johnx |
| 21:46.57 | Dantonic | I have it open as well |
| 21:47.00 | timeless_mbp | esaym153: browserd is the actual browser engine |
| 21:47.03 | johnx | esaym153, just enable swap and let it get swapped out when it's not needed. easy :) |
| 21:47.06 | timeless_mbp | the browser process is just the user interface |
| 21:47.17 | johnx | Dantonic, alright, click the "two computers" icon in the center |
| 21:47.19 | esaym153 | how to get to iphone pages? |
| 21:47.26 | Dantonic | ok |
| 21:47.27 | RST38h | ? |
| 21:47.29 | timeless_mbp | esaym153: sadly, that depends on the server :) |
| 21:47.37 | esaym153 | that .mobi stuff? |
| 21:47.41 | RST38h | ? |
| 21:47.46 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 21:47.49 | johnx | Dantonic, put in your ubuntu box's IP address |
| 21:47.51 | johnx | for the port: 22 |
| 21:48.10 | esaym153 | so tear is just an interface on top of broswerd? |
| 21:48.18 | johnx | for the user: the user on your ubuntu box |
| 21:48.19 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 21:48.26 | timeless_mbp | tear is its own browser |
| 21:48.31 | timeless_mbp | iirc tear uses webkit |
| 21:49.00 | esaym153 | oh |
| 21:49.02 | johnx | Dantonic, and where it says "FTP" pull down the box and find SSH2 |
| 21:49.06 | johnx | then hit connect |
| 21:49.10 | esaym153 | so I could do away with browserd then... |
| 21:49.19 | johnx | and timeless_mbp. not fair? hmm? |
| 21:49.19 | timeless_mbp | esaym153: if you want to break your device |
| 21:49.23 | timeless_mbp | there are lots of things you could do |
| 21:49.25 | timeless_mbp | that would be one of them |
| 21:49.26 | esaym153 | oh ... |
| 21:49.29 | Dantonic | oh already clicked with "ftp" option johnx |
| 21:49.31 | Dantonic | it's trying to connect |
| 21:49.34 | qwerty12_N810 | doesn't bother with having browserd started up on this N810 |
| 21:49.51 | Dantonic | johnx, will the ftp option not work? |
| 21:49.56 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: what do you do for the feed reader app? :) |
| 21:50.05 | johnx | Dantonic, it won't. you have an ssh server on your desktop, not an ftp server |
| 21:50.26 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: ftp is both a concept and a specific protocol |
| 21:50.45 | johnx | Dantonic, first get ssh working, then if the speed is really a problem, you can try ftp |
| 21:50.51 | timeless_mbp | as a specific protocol, it's absolutely insecure and in general should never be running anywhere except for read only access to resources |
| 21:51.00 | Dantonic | all right connecting |
| 21:51.09 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I used to use its "copy link" function but someone made a Python script that forwards the load_url/open_new_window DBus messages to Tear |
| 21:51.26 | Dantonic | timeless_mbp, you mean ftp in insecure? |
| 21:51.42 | timeless_mbp | Dantonic: the classic ftp protocol sends login credentials in the clear |
| 21:51.56 | Dantonic | ah |
| 21:51.56 | johnx | Dantonic, what you're doing is something like "ftp over ssh" which is quite secure if you don't share your passwords :) |
| 21:52.14 | Dantonic | ok... still "connecting" btw |
| 21:52.19 | timeless_mbp | johnx: why isn't it labeled sftp? |
| 21:52.30 | timeless_mbp | iirc sftp is not technically related to ftp as protocols go |
| 21:52.49 | johnx | probably true |
| 21:52.59 | johnx | ask the author? |
| 21:53.26 | johnx | Dantonic, so you specified ssh2 from the dropdown and 22 for the port? |
| 21:53.33 | johnx | and it's still taking forever to connect? |
| 21:53.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Honestly, the best MicroB experience I ever had was in Chinook with its browserd-less MicroB and the microb-engine packages from SVN |
| 21:53.42 | Dantonic | johnx, that's correct I'm trying again |
| 21:53.57 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: the best experience i've had is on the n900 :) |
| 21:53.59 | Dantonic | johnx, the first one timed out |
| 21:54.15 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I keep making it zoom by accident :( |
| 21:54.16 | lardman | anyone tried the example Fremantle camera code on the SDK? |
| 21:54.39 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: better than accidentally deleting 100 messages from your mailbox |
| 21:54.45 | timeless_mbp | did that a few hours ago |
| 21:55.06 | Dantonic | johnx, still nothing :( do I have to install ssh2? |
| 21:55.13 | Dantonic | or is it the same as just ssh? |
| 21:55.14 | Dantonic | opnessh |
| 21:55.16 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: ouch :\ |
| 21:55.24 | timeless_mbp | and there's no undo |
| 21:55.28 | timeless_mbp | since it was my spam folder :( |
| 21:55.37 | timeless_mbp | i was trying to select a message which wasn't spam |
| 21:55.51 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: and this is why I keep my maildir in Git |
| 21:55.55 | johnx | Dantonic, ok, so let's review. you can run this on your n800: ssh dantonic@192.168.1.x |
| 21:56.01 | johnx | where x is your IP |
| 21:56.04 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: and how big is your maildir? |
| 21:56.12 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: the Git repo or the maildir itself? |
| 21:56.19 | timeless_mbp | You are currently using 5597 MB (75%) of your 7369 MB. |
| 21:56.32 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: i don't think it really matters :) |
| 21:56.55 | johnx | so I'd type: ssh john@192.168.1.199 |
| 21:57.01 | timeless_mbp | as formats go, i think git would be an incredibly stupid format |
| 21:57.01 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: 616,735 messages in ~300 folders, 6.9 GB disk space |
| 21:57.04 | johnx | so in gftp I put 192.168.1.199 for IP |
| 21:57.06 | johnx | john for user |
| 21:57.08 | johnx | 22 for port |
| 21:57.13 | johnx | and pull down to ssh2 |
| 21:57.29 | Dantonic | johnx, ya trying again in terminal just to make sure |
| 21:57.37 | Dantonic | give me a minute |
| 21:57.40 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Git repo is 3.9 GB |
| 21:57.49 | johnx | hmm, for mail backups, rsnapshot of a maildir should work nicely |
| 21:58.03 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: Pushed git repo is 2.9 GB |
| 21:58.08 | Dantonic | yup just logged in through terminal johnx |
| 21:58.11 | luke-jr | johnx: git ftw |
| 21:58.14 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: so... |
| 21:58.23 | timeless_mbp | you're basically wasting 3gb of space |
| 21:58.28 | timeless_mbp | making your mailbox bigger than mine |
| 21:58.40 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: backups are not waste |
| 21:58.44 | timeless_mbp | but only for overhead you can't possibly use in any remotely reasonable manner |
| 21:58.50 | Dantonic | johnx, under host I put ONLY the ip? or also the user@192.168.1.xxx? |
| 21:58.53 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: zfs snapshot could be useful |
| 21:58.57 | johnx | Dantonic, only IP |
| 21:58.58 | timeless_mbp | git is not useful |
| 21:59.06 | Dantonic | ok that's what I had done johnx |
| 21:59.16 | johnx | alright |
| 21:59.23 | johnx | and the 22 is necessary for Port |
| 21:59.24 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: of course it is |
| 21:59.27 | luke-jr | the overhead is minimal |
| 21:59.32 | timeless_mbp | git assumes you have some benefit from sequential access to changes to your mailbox |
| 21:59.36 | luke-jr | and it is smaller than a simple copy backup |
| 21:59.37 | timeless_mbp | which you aren't going to have |
| 21:59.57 | Dantonic | johnx, its loggin on I see different messages now |
| 21:59.57 | timeless_mbp | zfs snapshot otoh lets you randomly drop versions you no longer need -- *safely* |
| 22:00.00 | Dantonic | I think it'll work :P |
| 22:00.16 | Dantonic | not sure what was wrong before johnx but it worked this time |
| 22:00.18 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: as I never delete emails, it is irrelevant to me |
| 22:00.25 | Dantonic | I see the file system :) |
| 22:00.25 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 22:00.26 | luke-jr | the overhead is minimal, and I get live backups |
| 22:00.33 | timeless_mbp | so you're basically wasting 3gb of data for nothing |
| 22:00.36 | timeless_mbp | even better |
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| 22:00.53 | luke-jr | if my mail server gets bombed, I can still restore the mailbox within 2 minutes |
| 22:01.27 | timeless_mbp | contemplates the math there |
| 22:01.37 | johnx | Dantonic, then you can hit the menu and make yourself a nice bookmark :) |
| 22:01.38 | Dantonic | yay!!!! johnx thans so much! |
| 22:01.49 | johnx | Dantonic, sure :) |
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| 22:02.05 | Dantonic | here's another question, would it be horribly difficult to loginto my file system remotely? through the internet? |
| 22:02.05 | johnx | see, you thought this would be more difficult than it was :D |
| 22:02.12 | Dantonic | I know that's very easy :P |
| 22:02.26 | johnx | Dantonic, did you get port forwarding working last night? |
| 22:02.30 | lardman | rubbish British rail/devolved companies |
| 22:02.32 | Dantonic | I thought I had to use FTP with gFTP :P |
| 22:02.36 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: my script does a git push to my local site about 2 minutes after a change |
| 22:03.08 | johnx | Dantonic, nah, lots of the newer "FTP" clients know about ssh/sftp. Old style unencrypted FTP is going away slowly but surel |
| 22:03.10 | johnx | y |
| 22:04.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Dantonic: The first line of its description in the App. manager is: "GTK+ FTP[S]/HTTP[S]/SSH2/FSP client" |
| 22:04.10 | Dantonic | johnx, I was never trying to port forward, but I created a static IP address for my box... well basically my router doesnt allow for setting static IPs assigned to mac addresses, so I read somewhere to just assing the static IP on the desktop, and the router will follow suit... so I think I do have a static ip atm because that's how I connected to the dekstop from the N800, and it is between .2-.99 so I know the router isnt assigning a |
| 22:04.10 | Dantonic | dhcp ip to the desktop |
| 22:04.32 | johnx | Dantonic, ah, good deal |
| 22:04.49 | johnx | you might want to read up on how to do port forwarding on your router. it's not that simple, but it's doable |
| 22:05.03 | Dantonic | qwerty12_N810, ya I know, please excuse my noobness in regards to all this... I'm a very recent Winblows convert still learning what everything means |
| 22:05.07 | ShellEvil | depending on your router. |
| 22:05.13 | ShellEvil | Some are broken enough not to add it. |
| 22:05.21 | johnx | he's got a WRT54GS :) |
| 22:05.30 | ShellEvil | Then again - this is a company that doesn't do the GPL. |
| 22:05.31 | johnx | Dantonic, good choice on router, BTW :) |
| 22:05.33 | ShellEvil | (the broken one) |
| 22:05.34 | ShellEvil | yeah |
| 22:05.44 | Dantonic | johnx, I think I've done it before, because I had to do it to play my favorite game of all time... Starcraft |
| 22:05.51 | Dantonic | but that was a couple years ago |
| 22:05.53 | Dantonic | gotta remember how |
| 22:06.06 | Dantonic | :P |
| 22:06.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Dantonic: Heh, I still use Windows... :p |
| 22:06.33 | Dantonic | well I do to, but in Virtual Box :) |
| 22:06.39 | Dantonic | for some progs I need |
| 22:06.47 | Dantonic | that don't work with wine |
| 22:07.10 | ShellEvil | has a HD he needs to drop into virtualbox. |
| 22:07.21 | ShellEvil | I accidentally bought a legit copy of windows :/ |
| 22:07.48 | Dantonic | ok johnx so what do I need to forward exactly? |
| 22:08.17 | johnx | if you search for: port forwarding WRT54GS |
| 22:08.20 | Dantonic | johnx, the desktop IP to the actual IP address? |
| 22:08.22 | johnx | there are some very good guides |
| 22:09.07 | johnx | follow a guide for port forwarding for bittorrent, but replace the port numbers with: 22 |
| 22:09.17 | johnx | and just do the rest the same |
| 22:10.37 | Dantonic | well I have a very nice "port forwarding" tab that has port ranges and ip addresses |
| 22:10.51 | Dantonic | so should I just put the desktop ip for address and what for port range? |
| 22:10.54 | Dantonic | 22-22? |
| 22:10.58 | johnx | sounds good |
| 22:11.13 | Dantonic | udp or tcp? |
| 22:11.15 | johnx | tcp |
| 22:11.47 | Dantonic | all right saved the settings... |
| 22:11.55 | Dantonic | now how do I test it? |
| 22:11.58 | johnx | now: drive to your local coffee shop |
| 22:12.11 | Dantonic | well I can logonto my 3g with the N800 |
| 22:12.12 | Dantonic | :P |
| 22:12.19 | johnx | cheater :P |
| 22:13.23 | Dantonic | ok now do I use my dns address? |
| 22:13.26 | Dantonic | to login? |
| 22:13.39 | johnx | you don't :) |
| 22:14.03 | johnx | use your router's "internet" IP address |
| 22:14.19 | johnx | don't know where it's listed on the Linksys firmware for the WRT54GS |
| 22:14.42 | Dantonic | got it on the "status" page |
| 22:14.45 | Dantonic | port 22 still right? |
| 22:14.56 | johnx | yup |
| 22:16.02 | Dantonic | omg johnx I love you you're my new BEST FRIEND! |
| 22:16.11 | johnx | hahaha |
| 22:16.13 | johnx | cool |
| 22:16.15 | Dantonic | lol |
| 22:16.17 | johnx | glad it works for you |
| 22:16.18 | Dantonic | tytytyty |
| 22:16.26 | johnx | welcome to the future |
| 22:16.39 | Dantonic | from now on any post of yours I see on maemo.org I will thank no matter what! |
| 22:16.46 | johnx | uhm, nah |
| 22:16.48 | johnx | that's going to far |
| 22:16.48 | Dantonic | lol |
| 22:16.56 | johnx | I'm cranky a lot of the time on talk.maemo.org |
| 22:16.57 | RST38h | send him flower basket |
| 22:17.10 | johnx | just buy me a beer if I'm in the area |
| 22:17.17 | Dantonic | very cool stuff... I knew this was doable, but just thought it was more complicated... |
| 22:17.45 | johnx | just take it step by step |
| 22:17.50 | johnx | and make the simple stuff work first |
| 22:17.52 | Dantonic | damn I need a better password now... |
| 22:17.56 | johnx | yes |
| 22:17.59 | Dantonic | how do I change my root password? |
| 22:18.05 | johnx | on ubuntu? |
| 22:18.07 | Dantonic | yes |
| 22:18.10 | johnx | by default it's not set |
| 22:18.13 | Corsac | sudo passwd |
| 22:18.18 | johnx | so *no one* can log in to root |
| 22:18.19 | Dantonic | well I set it but its weak |
| 22:18.26 | Dantonic | ok thanks corsac |
| 22:18.42 | Dantonic | I've set a root password on it |
| 22:18.53 | johnx | and yeah: now that you've opened up ssh to the internet you *will* get random people trying to guess passwords |
| 22:18.55 | Dantonic | and that's the password it prompts me when logging on through ssh I think... |
| 22:19.04 | johnx | so make sure *all* the account passwords on your box are good |
| 22:19.08 | Corsac | .aw palB/aw pala |
| 22:19.17 | Dantonic | *all*? |
| 22:19.25 | johnx | all the users |
| 22:19.27 | Dantonic | I only have on password :/ |
| 22:19.30 | Dantonic | ah ok |
| 22:19.33 | Dantonic | that's just one |
| 22:19.35 | Dantonic | :) |
| 22:19.48 | johnx | but you set the root password as well? |
| 22:20.11 | Dantonic | idk I just set one password, and I know everytime I access some progs or use sudo it asks me for it |
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| 22:20.16 | Dantonic | I set it when I installed |
| 22:20.20 | Dantonic | is that the root passwd? |
| 22:20.34 | johnx | that's your user password |
| 22:20.36 | Dantonic | ah |
| 22:20.39 | johnx | so you type: sudo whoami |
| 22:20.53 | johnx | and put in that password and it says root, right? |
| 22:21.03 | Dantonic | yes it does |
| 22:21.10 | johnx | but there's also a real "root" password that let's you type: su - |
| 22:21.22 | johnx | so try su - |
| 22:21.42 | johnx | and see if you can type the same password and have it accept it |
| 22:21.49 | Dantonic | authentication failure |
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| 22:22.21 | johnx | no root password set |
| 22:22.28 | Dantonic | hmm so I can't even access it? |
| 22:22.32 | johnx | that's probably the "right thing" (tm) |
| 22:22.33 | Dantonic | root? |
| 22:22.41 | johnx | yes, you can, but you use your "user" password |
| 22:22.50 | johnx | only one password, means only one password you have to remember |
| 22:22.56 | johnx | so make it twice as hard to guess :> |
| 22:23.00 | Dantonic | I see |
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| 22:23.15 | Dantonic | ya I definitely ahve to change it... what can you do with a root password what would you need that for? |
| 22:23.24 | johnx | you don't on ubuntu |
| 22:23.33 | johnx | it just allows you to "directly" login to root |
| 22:23.42 | Dantonic | ah ok but sudo replaces that |
| 22:23.45 | johnx | exactly |
| 22:23.48 | Dantonic | I mean sudo allows you to do everything... |
| 22:23.48 | Dantonic | ok |
| 22:24.09 | Dantonic | johnx, what OS do you run? |
| 22:24.18 | johnx | it's just a two step process: 1) login as dantonic 2) sudo |
| 22:24.22 | johnx | ubuntu on the desktop |
| 22:24.27 | Dantonic | 9.04? |
| 22:24.36 | johnx | yup |
| 22:24.37 | johnx | and maemo4 and/or mer on the n800 |
| 22:25.07 | Dantonic | let me ask you... I have a problem... cant resolve it... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1264418 |
| 22:25.16 | johnx | no idea |
| 22:25.24 | johnx | suspend has always been flakey on some hardware |
| 22:25.28 | johnx | I just don't suspend my desktop |
| 22:25.37 | johnx | that's probably some real kernel level debugging |
| 22:25.41 | Dantonic | I see |
| 22:25.46 | Dantonic | just wondering if you had the same problem |
| 22:25.54 | johnx | I might if I tried to suspend :) |
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| 22:26.11 | Dantonic | I was very used to suspend |
| 22:26.18 | Dantonic | now I shutdown every time :( |
| 22:26.42 | johnx | desktop is on 24/7 here since it serves files for the whole network |
| 22:26.49 | johnx | but I also figure out in advance: 1) what do I need to work in ubuntu 2) given that what hardware do I need to buy |
| 22:27.07 | Dantonic | I see so you go off of a compatible hardware list or something? |
| 22:27.15 | Dantonic | is there such a list? |
| 22:27.23 | johnx | Dantonic, I just do some research with google |
| 22:27.25 | Dantonic | I'm actually getting close to building a new box... |
| 22:27.32 | Dantonic | I'll look into that |
| 22:27.41 | RST38h | unity3d.com <==== write these guys and ask them to port!!! |
| 22:27.46 | johnx | hey Firebird :) saw your game. looks very nice, hopefully I'll get a chance to try it out later |
| 22:28.05 | johnx | oh, while we're talking 3D, anyone see WebGL in webkit :) |
| 22:28.11 | johnx | looks kinda interesting |
| 22:28.16 | Firebird | heh, thanks johnx |
| 22:28.44 | RST38h | not yet |
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| 22:29.38 | johnx | with a GL->GLES wrapper, it might be workable on the pandora/n900/touchbook |
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| 22:29.43 | johnx | that'd be pretty amazing |
| 22:30.09 | johnx | anyways, gotta change the spark plugs on my car while it's still light out |
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| 22:30.19 | johnx | 'later |
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| 22:37.20 | Dantonic | gtg to work thanks again johnx |
| 22:37.21 | Dantonic | ttyl |
| 22:39.29 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:03.03 | rm_you | johnx: ping |
| 23:08.54 | rm_you | GAN800: you going to the summit this time> |
| 23:08.55 | rm_you | ? |
| 23:09.23 | rm_you | also someone remind me, we have hotels booked for the night of the 8th, 9th, and 10th? |
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| 23:25.48 | luke-jr | rm_you: no, THEY have hotels booked for the night of the 8th, 9th, and 10th. YOU get to sit out in the cold. The cat needs his own room. |
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| 23:31.13 | luke-jr | th3_4zarado: hey, no animal abuse in here please! |
| 23:32.49 | th3_4zarado | mistake |
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| 23:35.33 | SpeedEvil | backup |
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| 23:43.39 | Firebird9 | hmm, the noise continues when I turn my computer off... wonder where its coming from -_- |
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| 23:49.11 | MrGoose | has anyone used it? |
| 23:49.20 | MrGoose | I cant figure out how to install it |
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| 23:56.43 | ShadowJK | Firebird9: I'ved often hunted rattling fans after leaving the cork on soda bottles slightly open |
| 23:57.06 | ShadowJK | So that the gas buildup insided has made a bubbling/popping sound at the cork |
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