| 00:00.11 | AStorm | did it work? |
| 00:00.11 | vladovg | original applet du not indikeits wen put the charger |
| 00:00.19 | vladovg | but after reflash it wurks now |
| 00:00.25 | AStorm | ah, yes, that's a bad bug, happens rarely |
| 00:00.34 | vladovg | hm |
| 00:00.46 | vladovg | so it know bug |
| 00:00.48 | vladovg | ? |
| 00:00.49 | AStorm | make sure to update to latest version of maemo (2008.53? or something like it) |
| 00:00.57 | AStorm | probably |
| 00:01.11 | vladovg | 43-7 |
| 00:01.34 | vladovg | update utiliti |
| 00:01.47 | AStorm | that's probably chinook |
| 00:01.51 | vladovg | downloadet automatikli it shud bi the leithest |
| 00:01.56 | AStorm | you should flash the newer version |
| 00:01.57 | vladovg | yes |
| 00:02.03 | vladovg | ? |
| 00:02.09 | AStorm | if it's n810 at least |
| 00:02.14 | vladovg | yes |
| 00:02.15 | AStorm | it's called diablo |
| 00:02.18 | MrGoose | http://www.bfi.org.uk/whatson/bfi_southbank/events/onedotzero_adventures_in_motion/nokia_the_art_of_open_source |
| 00:02.20 | vladovg | hm |
| 00:02.46 | vladovg | firs time hert |
| 00:02.53 | vladovg | for thet |
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| 00:04.06 | vladovg | ken yu please snow my |
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| 00:07.30 | AStorm | vladovg: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php |
| 00:07.45 | AStorm | you flash it the same way you've flashed the device before |
| 00:08.33 | vladovg | ok |
| 00:08.55 | vladovg | and ay kan use the same applets like in shinuk |
| 00:09.08 | vladovg | ? |
| 00:09.09 | AStorm | yes |
| 00:09.20 | AStorm | there are even newer versions available |
| 00:10.04 | vladovg | wai this is not aveilable in nokia update utiliti |
| 00:10.05 | vladovg | ? |
| 00:10.15 | AStorm | because the utility itself is outdated |
| 00:10.25 | AStorm | diablo has a new upgrade system |
| 00:10.28 | vladovg | haha |
| 00:10.32 | vladovg | :) |
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| 00:12.10 | vladovg | diablo 43-7 |
| 00:12.21 | vladovg | is thet the latest |
| 00:12.31 | AStorm | old version of diablo, it should get automatically updated once flashed |
| 00:12.44 | vladovg | ok |
| 00:13.15 | AStorm | nah |
| 00:13.18 | AStorm | it's the newest one |
| 00:13.24 | AStorm | someone has actually made an image out of it |
| 00:13.37 | AStorm | check if yours isn't actually diablo (2008.43-7) |
| 00:14.26 | vladovg | it s 43-7 |
| 00:14.36 | vladovg | ay tod yu |
| 00:14.37 | vladovg | :) |
| 00:14.41 | vladovg | alredi |
| 00:15.06 | vladovg | 5.2008.43-7 |
| 00:15.20 | vladovg | it thet diablo |
| 00:16.13 | vladovg | *is |
| 00:16.13 | AStorm | it is. |
| 00:16.16 | AStorm | hmmh |
| 00:16.24 | AStorm | yes, I've hit that bug a few times myself |
| 00:16.34 | vladovg | hm |
| 00:16.48 | AStorm | there was a way to fix it involving gtk icon cache update (yes, sounds stupid, but works) |
| 00:16.52 | vladovg | now after restart it shol mi 4 hours |
| 00:17.02 | vladovg | bifor it las 1 hour |
| 00:18.28 | vladovg | ay thik thet gona trai another battery from my frend E71 |
| 00:21.15 | vladovg | chust wona know did some one noticet the same problem as ay |
| 00:22.08 | vladovg | thet was all |
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| 00:59.10 | esaym153 | does maemo-mapper support any kind of address data? Like searching for street address... |
| 01:02.53 | SpeedEvil | maemo-mapper is based on OSM data? |
| 01:05.18 | SpeedEvil | a quick search says no |
| 01:05.23 | SpeedEvil | it's simply a tile displayer |
| 01:05.36 | javispedro | online tile displayer. |
| 01:05.46 | javispedro | but it supports door to door navigation by using google maps iirc. |
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| 01:07.09 | SpeedEvil | Openstreetmap can have streetnumbers - but they are only deployed really widely in some parts of germany and maybe the netherlands |
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| 01:10.48 | AStorm | well, Openstreetmap is right now quite worthless in Poland |
| 01:11.00 | AStorm | except the capital and few select cities |
| 01:11.16 | SpeedEvil | You can make it better! |
| 01:11.35 | SpeedEvil | Add data - make the existing data shinier. |
| 01:11.35 | SpeedEvil | polish it even. |
| 01:11.40 | SpeedEvil | (sorry) |
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| 01:15.47 | AStorm | yeah |
| 01:15.53 | AStorm | it takes time and GPS data |
| 01:15.55 | AStorm | and memory |
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| 01:16.35 | SpeedEvil | is there yahoo coverage of poland? |
| 01:16.42 | AStorm | yes, quite good |
| 01:16.49 | AStorm | only google is a bit better |
| 01:18.45 | SpeedEvil | I mean aerial |
| 01:18.51 | SpeedEvil | photos |
| 01:19.24 | AStorm | ah, satellite? I think it's in places better than Google's |
| 01:19.45 | AStorm | but the photos themselves are a bit dark |
| 01:19.46 | SpeedEvil | You can legally trace from yahoos imagery. |
| 01:19.54 | SpeedEvil | They've given permission |
| 01:20.22 | SpeedEvil | In combination with a couple of GPS traces to make sure the photography is actually in a sane place - ... |
| 01:21.31 | AStorm | mmmh |
| 01:21.40 | AStorm | mmmh^2 |
| 01:22.25 | AStorm | so now I'll have to find a way to get osmgo to display the map background |
| 01:23.08 | SpeedEvil | osmgo? |
| 01:24.27 | SpeedEvil | ah - at least for some of poland - I looked 50Km west of the capital - the yahoo imagery is 15m - which isn't very great |
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| 02:19.43 | angasule | SpeedEvil: the openstreetmap system for mapping house numbers is... well... not very useful in some places :) |
| 02:20.26 | angasule | apparently europe is a huge mess, so it makes sense over there, but over here we have *street* numbers, sequential, in a grid, so we use a different schema |
| 02:21.09 | SpeedEvil | angasule: in the US you mean? |
| 02:21.32 | SpeedEvil | It works for linear ways too. |
| 02:22.12 | angasule | no, I'm in Argentina |
| 02:22.28 | angasule | SpeedEvil: it can be used on linear ways, but it sucks :) |
| 02:24.49 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
| 02:25.54 | angasule | too much work required and it's house-oriented rather than street-oriented, mainly |
| 02:27.13 | angasule | here numbers belong to the street, and it makes perfect sense to refer to a number on a street (rounded to 100 or 50), we don't use intersections (ie, naming two streets) as much |
| 02:29.05 | SpeedEvil | Well - adding a specific tag to that effect for argentina - and similar cases would probably be sane. |
| 02:29.22 | angasule | what do you mean? |
| 02:29.42 | angasule | we're using a relation, following something we designed |
| 02:30.42 | SpeedEvil | angasule: I don't see a link to it on the streetnumber page - probably a good idea. |
| 02:31.24 | angasule | SpeedEvil: undermanned, as usual :) it's just in use in one city |
| 02:31.35 | angasule | it would be in use in my home city as well but I moved to Buenos Aires, and |
| 02:31.40 | SpeedEvil | I assume it's argentina-wide? |
| 02:31.44 | angasule | I have been too busy to map much |
| 02:31.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:32.02 | angasule | the system, yes, and three weeks ago I gave a talk about OSM in a conference, |
| 02:32.18 | angasule | met a guy from Uruguay (looks like it's pretty much the same there, I would guess in most of LatAm) |
| 02:32.39 | angasule | also, a liutenant colonel or something like that gave me his card and proposed working together with the army for mapping |
| 02:33.21 | angasule | that could give us *huge* resources, if it pans out, I should call him soon, but I moved and got a new job, so, busy :) |
| 02:34.56 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I have started mapping my local town - but real life is getting in the way |
| 02:35.26 | angasule | where do you live? |
| 02:35.35 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 02:35.55 | angasule | I guess there isn't much of agrid :P |
| 02:36.15 | SpeedEvil | It is a town built from scratch in 1950? |
| 02:36.20 | SpeedEvil | And there is no grid |
| 02:37.14 | angasule | weird |
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| 02:37.23 | SpeedEvil | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&q=&ie=UTF8&hl=en&geocode=FUyAWQMdEpXP_w&split=0&ll=56.19534,-3.165436&spn=0.051478,0.095272&z=13 |
| 02:37.26 | angasule | most european cities have the excuse of being old |
| 02:37.29 | angasule | http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-38.798&lon=-62.248&zoom=11&layers=B000FTF |
| 02:37.44 | angasule | that's what I mapped, based on yahoo imagery (the tags were filled some by me, some by others) |
| 02:38.08 | SpeedEvil | http://osm.org/go/evfe65A-- |
| 02:38.13 | SpeedEvil | as you can see - some to go |
| 02:38.26 | SpeedEvil | gps only here |
| 02:38.57 | angasule | I don't have a GPS, which is a problem, yahoo is outdated |
| 02:39.06 | angasule | several years, I didn't check exactly |
| 02:39.31 | SpeedEvil | yahoo may also be out by several m-several km in extreme cases. |
| 02:39.46 | SpeedEvil | spot-checking with a gps is a good plan. |
| 02:39.48 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 02:40.32 | angasule | it's okayish here, I know people with GPS |
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| 02:43.55 | angasule | time for me to go, almost midnight, cheers :) |
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| 03:29.50 | pupnik_ | powervr sgx has some weird multicore thing going with >4 GTexels/sec http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=449 |
| 03:33.40 | pupnik_ | looks like someone ought to do an augmented reality demo for n900 |
| 03:35.32 | pupnik_ | Nokia, contact one/some of these guys: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=augmented+reality+iphone |
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| 05:32.19 | Stskeeps | grr powercuts |
| 05:33.09 | wazd | pupnik_: impossible |
| 05:33.15 | wazd | I'm back :) |
| 05:33.40 | Stskeeps | wazd o/ |
| 05:33.58 | wazd | Stskeeps: heya :) |
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| 05:36.50 | wazd | I wonder why everybody is so excited bout that art demo with liqbase, it's not n900 to render it, just plain controls |
| 05:37.10 | wazd | It can be done with, like, 770 :) |
| 05:37.11 | Stskeeps | well, faster cpu helps |
| 05:37.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: helps what?) |
| 05:37.59 | wazd | Stskeeps: But still I think n900 can render that stuff |
| 05:38.12 | wazd | with video out for example |
| 05:38.32 | Stskeeps | the pre-send-to-xv |
| 05:40.15 | Stskeeps | it's a good demo in terms of demo scene demos :P |
| 05:41.10 | wazd | Stskeeps: yep, but not for n900 unfortunately :) Scene guys are really crazy, there are some just plain mindexploding examples |
| 05:41.46 | Stskeeps | yeah, i know :) |
| 05:41.49 | wazd | Slightly bad that there's no compas in n900 :( |
| 05:42.03 | Stskeeps | mm, that one i agree with |
| 05:42.29 | GAN800 | Worse with no AT&T 3G support. |
| 05:42.30 | Stskeeps | noone says we won't see n900 with more features though |
| 05:42.48 | Pavlov | heh |
| 05:42.50 | GAN800 | Be nice to know so I don't waste any more time worrying about it. |
| 05:43.49 | wazd | wow |
| 05:44.08 | wazd | I just turn my Jabra Bt620 into some Christmas lights mode :D |
| 05:44.41 | wazd | Good stuff for disco's :) |
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| 06:03.49 | wazd | Cool, Batman: Arkham Asylum ratio is already 5, and I just downloaded it completely. I'm a good pirate :P |
| 06:10.59 | disco_stu | GAN800 will fremantle run in n8x0 ? |
| 06:11.17 | GAN800 | ~mer |
| 06:11.18 | infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 06:13.06 | disco_stu | GAN800 what's up with mer ? |
| 06:14.46 | GAN800 | Read the About page. I'm falling asleep here. |
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| 06:19.29 | disco_stu | GAN800 are you running mer already ? |
| 06:19.42 | disco_stu | shame on nokia leaving diablo out of date :/ |
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| 08:06.55 | wazd | Swedish language reminds me Simlish somehow :) |
| 08:07.11 | Myrtti | Bork |
| 08:13.57 | Corsac | woot, the n900 is now at 644⬠too on expansys.fr |
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| 08:15.22 | iiith | does okular work on maemo? |
| 08:15.35 | slonopotamus | wants netwalker or openpandora |
| 08:16.02 | slonopotamus | iiith, not officially |
| 08:16.36 | slonopotamus | iiith, there's 'kde for maemo' thread on talk.maemo.org somewhere |
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| 08:18.37 | iiith | slonopotamus: Thanks. I will check it. |
| 08:19.03 | slonopotamus | iiith, it might be outdated though (kde-4.2 iirc) |
| 08:19.45 | slonopotamus | iiith, why don't you just use evince? |
| 08:19.55 | slonopotamus | iiith, it's available in extras |
| 08:19.55 | iiith | I also want to annotate |
| 08:20.02 | slonopotamus | oh |
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| 08:20.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Xournal? |
| 08:20.16 | Myrtti | Xournal |
| 08:20.27 | Myrtti | Works wonders |
| 08:21.10 | iiith | actually I want to develop a Qt based application which can annotate. I also want to add more features. Since Okular already does pdf rendering and annotating, I can use it. |
| 08:21.37 | Myrtti | Good luck then |
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| 08:22.04 | iiith | But will I be able to make okular work on maemo? |
| 08:22.26 | slonopotamus | iiith, depends only onn your skills :) |
| 08:22.47 | Mek | I have had okular work on maemo4, so yes, it should be possible |
| 08:22.58 | Mek | (although I do think getting the pdf support in okular to also work was a bit more work) |
| 08:23.14 | Mek | okular on maemo5 should be even easier I think... |
| 08:23.21 | iiith | okay. Thanks. |
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| 08:24.27 | slonopotamus | err... and what okular without pdf can do at all? |
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| 08:24.44 | slonopotamus | show 'about' box? :) |
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| 08:25.14 | Mek | slonopotamus: show images |
| 08:25.25 | iiith | okular supports many formats- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okular |
| 08:25.26 | Mek | it is not just a pdf viewer, it can show all kinds of documents, pdf being just one plugin.. |
| 08:27.00 | Corsac | well, evince might work too :) |
| 08:27.29 | iiith | Corsac: but it does not annotate |
| 08:36.38 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 09:20.09 | wazd | Jaffa: heya |
| 09:20.35 | wazd | Can anyone tell em why the hell Escape button can stop working?) |
| 09:25.09 | Proteous | it's just a trick |
| 09:25.13 | Proteous | there is no excape from hell |
| 09:25.30 | Proteous | but they put the hell escape button there to taunt you |
| 09:27.01 | Jaffa | wazd: On an N810? No idea. |
| 09:27.12 | Jaffa | wazd: You won't have that issue on an N900 - there is no escape key :-( |
| 09:27.16 | wazd | Jaffa: oh, no, on PC) |
| 09:27.17 | slonopotamus | Proteous, :D |
| 09:27.44 | wazd | Jaffa: I don't have n810 so I'm not having this issue on it either :D |
| 09:27.51 | Jaffa | wazd: No idea, I'm afraid |
| 09:29.23 | wazd | Bounce demo is pretty impressive |
| 09:29.52 | wazd | They could attach "shadow zones" for the barr to change it's texture to shaded one |
| 09:30.04 | qwerty12_N810 | glares at Jaffa, who got to play it on a TV :( |
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| 09:32.49 | wazd | I wonder how that could be |
| 09:33.12 | Proteous | it's all the gnutella you have dripped into your keyboard |
| 09:33.33 | wazd | Proteous: it's clean like a virgin :) |
| 09:33.49 | wazd | Proteous: ant it has rubber covering :) |
| 09:33.52 | Proteous | I've seen virgins crammed full of gnutella |
| 09:34.37 | Proteous | hmm |
| 09:34.53 | Proteous | refering to my little sisters love of gnutella sammiches, don't get the wrong idea |
| 09:35.14 | wazd | imagined some badd-ass virgin :D |
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| 09:52.06 | lardman|home | the version on the gstreamer plugins is something like gst-plugins-good0.10_0.10.6-0osso26~diablo3 |
| 09:52.22 | lardman|home | so it's 0.10 I presume? |
| 09:52.33 | lardman|home | so it's 0.10.0 in fact |
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| 10:36.13 | Captain_Picard | http://tv.mediaprovider.se/sa_fungerar_nokias_linux-mobil_n900_1252065242875.html |
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| 10:39.10 | Captain_Picard | theress the n900 game |
| 10:39.11 | Captain_Picard | and more |
| 10:39.11 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 10:42.54 | RST38h | I can see office apps! |
| 10:43.28 | RST38h | Also looks like kinetic scrolling has been made less sensitive (than in Tear etc) |
| 10:43.33 | RST38h | Which is probably a good thing |
| 10:45.05 | lcuk | Captain_Picard, it requires flash10 |
| 10:45.11 | lcuk | i havent got that on my n900 |
| 10:45.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: that link was on tmo y/day. a youtube mirror was posted |
| 10:45.57 | wazd | so, any of the hore of n900 owners, what's the window on the top edge of the device?) |
| 10:46.01 | qwerty12_N810 | (missing sound I think, but as it's in Swedish, no big loss ;)) |
| 10:46.07 | RST38h | Aha, Bounce is way more detailed on N900 than on S60e5 |
| 10:46.11 | RST38h | No wonder though |
| 10:46.38 | RST38h | wazd: hypodermic needle storage? |
| 10:47.01 | SpeedEvil | sound here |
| 10:47.13 | SpeedEvil | itym horde. |
| 10:47.46 | wazd | RST38h: I was expecting that :) |
| 10:48.11 | wazd | Sweedish is Simlish language for real :) |
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| 10:49.24 | lardman|home | wonders what a PIL tostring() buffer looks like |
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| 10:51.43 | SpeedEvil | lardman: http://peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/53.jpg |
| 10:52.41 | lardman|home | scanning him for a barcode? :) |
| 10:52.43 | qwerty12_N810 | SpeedEvil: Nice. How did you take that picture? Using the timer? :p |
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| 10:55.54 | pupnik_ | wazd what is impossible? |
| 10:56.19 | pupnik_ | oh ok.. well somebody will try it i expect |
| 10:57.15 | SpeedEvil | browsing the above site. |
| 10:58.27 | lardman|home | are there not laws against taking pictures of poor unsuspecting shoppers? :) |
| 10:59.00 | wazd | pupnik_: try what?) |
| 10:59.01 | SpeedEvil | At least in the UK - no. |
| 10:59.17 | SpeedEvil | There may be regulations by the shop - who are free to eject you |
| 10:59.29 | lardman|home | oh, I thought it was American |
| 10:59.41 | SpeedEvil | same deal in the US I think |
| 10:59.47 | lardman|home | ah fair enough |
| 11:00.06 | lbt | tatoo? |
| 11:00.06 | SpeedEvil | I have seen some odd things in Lidl - but most people do wear clothes. |
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| 11:06.34 | pupnik_ | wazd the augmented reality stuff |
| 11:07.11 | pupnik_ | one can tell lardman is in a university setting |
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| 11:07.27 | lardman|home | oi, whay's that? |
| 11:07.28 | SpeedEvil | wazd: augmented reality is lots easier with a compass. |
| 11:07.48 | pupnik_ | thinks there needs to be law for everything :) |
| 11:08.25 | RST38h | Speed: even easier with large clorful labels on everything =?) |
| 11:08.40 | RST38h | pupnik: that is german approach! |
| 11:08.43 | lardman|home | oh no, I'm not bothered, just thought the US was very anti cameras and the like |
| 11:08.53 | wazd | pupnik_: oh, I think it's impossible to determine where your device is turned without compas |
| 11:09.40 | SpeedEvil | wazd: unless the sun or moon is in frame |
| 11:09.42 | lardman|home | I wonder how GPSes work out track and heading |
| 11:09.56 | SpeedEvil | lardman: delta position |
| 11:10.06 | RST38h | larman: US is basically anti-people-doing-unusual-things |
| 11:10.11 | lardman|home | that will just give track won;'t it? |
| 11:10.35 | SpeedEvil | lardman: you're heading is assumed to be aligned with your course. |
| 11:10.37 | RST38h | lardman: was way simpler before Sep 2001 though |
| 11:11.05 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: hmm, course being what? |
| 11:11.24 | SpeedEvil | lardman: You're going north. You're assumed to be facing the way you're going |
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| 11:11.32 | lardman|home | no, it doesn't work like that |
| 11:11.40 | lardman|home | some GPSes return both a track and a heading |
| 11:11.41 | SpeedEvil | In devices without a compass, yes it does. |
| 11:11.54 | SpeedEvil | If it has a compass, it can return both. |
| 11:11.54 | lardman|home | that's why I asked the question |
| 11:11.56 | lardman|home | :) |
| 11:12.14 | SpeedEvil | Or if it has two antennas seperated by more than a meter - some ship GPSs do this |
| 11:12.15 | pupnik_ | ahh, so no compass in n900 gps? |
| 11:12.20 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:12.29 | lardman|home | is that certain? |
| 11:12.41 | RST38h | yes |
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| 11:12.49 | RST38h | was asked before |
| 11:13.04 | SpeedEvil | Or if it has directional GPS antennas - but those are illegal for civilians to export. |
| 11:13.05 | wazd | lardman|home: they have compass then |
| 11:13.34 | wazd | lardman|home: simple ones can determine direction only from your moving |
| 11:13.45 | SpeedEvil | The compass in most mobile phone class things is seperate from the GPS |
| 11:15.04 | RST38h | make a little transparent compass and glue it to the frontside camera! |
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| 11:15.50 | SpeedEvil | wishes for circuit diagrams. |
| 11:16.05 | RST38h | what for? |
| 11:16.08 | SpeedEvil | I can add compass to my existing phone with the solder-points for I2C. |
| 11:16.22 | pupnik_ | AR has some crazy fun applications / gimmicks |
| 11:16.33 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: yeah |
| 11:16.51 | pupnik_ | an "invisible pet" that follows you around that only your device can see |
| 11:17.21 | SpeedEvil | And that points out bargains to you. |
| 11:17.36 | pupnik_ | hah! |
| 11:17.47 | SpeedEvil | Or people whos phone is emitting compatible dating information. |
| 11:18.15 | RST38h | Speed: ah |
| 11:18.38 | RST38h | pupnik: Of course, the commercial version should have invisible girlfriend instead |
| 11:18.55 | RST38h | pupnik: that you keep pacified by sending "her" SMS messages |
| 11:19.16 | pupnik_ | i need the little cartoon advice angel / devil floating beside my head |
| 11:19.20 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: relevant xkcd is relevant. |
| 11:19.23 | pupnik_ | hahahaha |
| 11:19.45 | SpeedEvil | 'the voices in my phone told me to' |
| 11:19.59 | RST38h | The MS Paperclip told me to... |
| 11:20.29 | pupnik_ | wow |
| 11:20.46 | pupnik_ | the AR MS paperclip - horror movie |
| 11:21.07 | pupnik_ | ("kiilll heerrrr") |
| 11:21.31 | RST38h | "scrrrrew sheeeeep... scrrrrrew sheeeep..." |
| 11:23.05 | pupnik_ | anyway you think AR needs a compass? i thought it was calculating phone orientation just from 3d cues |
| 11:23.05 | baze | is there any confirmed information whether the n900 will be available from only say t-mobile or so in germany? |
| 11:23.21 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: naah |
| 11:23.51 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: you have GPS position and compass and accellerometers - and you know position and orientation fairly accurately. |
| 11:24.06 | pupnik_ | k |
| 11:24.17 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: to the extent that you may be able to actually superimpose labels over things the phone is pointed at. |
| 11:24.24 | pupnik_ | what a relief, less black magic |
| 11:24.26 | SpeedEvil | (that are more than 10m or so away) |
| 11:24.36 | SpeedEvil | As it's just a database lookup. |
| 11:24.57 | SpeedEvil | Doing the same with just the camera and position is much harder. |
| 11:25.52 | pupnik_ | man, the options. point at a store and see the inventory |
| 11:26.03 | pupnik_ | get hotel rates |
| 11:26.08 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 11:26.17 | RST38h | REALITY CHECK NEEDED |
| 11:26.22 | pupnik_ | draw a yellow path to nearest public toilet |
| 11:26.29 | pupnik_ | lol |
| 11:26.30 | SpeedEvil | crowdsourcing is _extremely_ powerful in the case of lots of users. |
| 11:26.33 | RST38h | pupnik: I can do this without ar |
| 11:26.35 | SpeedEvil | But only in that case. |
| 11:26.44 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 11:26.58 | pupnik_ | but with typing and clicking |
| 11:27.01 | pupnik_ | heh nm |
| 11:27.05 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Sure - but you can't compare prices. |
| 11:27.26 | RST38h | pupnik: it is easier to draw a yellow path when you do not have to type and click |
| 11:28.13 | RST38h | Speed: Ok, reality check: how often have you ever needed to check hotel price at the street? |
| 11:28.27 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I never use hotels. |
| 11:28.28 | pupnik_ | once |
| 11:28.32 | RST38h | Speed: See? |
| 11:29.03 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: however - being able to pick up a foo in a shop - and compare price keyed on the barcode forex |
| 11:29.03 | RST38h | The "normal" scenario is to check hotel prices at your desktop at home, then call and ask for a room in advance |
| 11:29.44 | RST38h | Speed: Again, when you care about the price really bad, how often do you buy from a brick&mortar store as opposed to online? |
| 11:30.17 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: If I'm walking, and I see something on special offer, with a limited quantity. |
| 11:30.48 | SpeedEvil | Or if I can't remember how many of something I have at home, or ... |
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| 11:31.27 | xnt14 | hi |
| 11:31.33 | SpeedEvil | hi. |
| 11:31.39 | xnt14 | hi :P |
| 11:32.01 | xnt14 | argh |
| 11:32.05 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: anyway - I can imagine any number of cool things that could be done and I don't have to code. |
| 11:32.07 | xnt14 | hates his kb |
| 11:33.26 | lardman|home | I should be able to call buffer() on a str object shouldn't I? |
| 11:33.38 | lardman|home | I get an error: TypeError: 'str' object is not callable |
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| 11:34.07 | lardman|home | ah, don;t worry, I see the problem, var named buffer |
| 11:34.09 | lardman|home | doh! |
| 11:34.23 | RST38h | Speed: You want a scenario that millions of people will instantly adopt |
| 11:34.49 | RST38h | Speed: If you find such a scenario, it will open you a way to riches, Google-style =) |
| 11:37.05 | lardman|home | does anyone know if Image.fromstring() shares the original buffer or makes its own copy? |
| 11:37.18 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yeah. :) |
| 11:37.47 | RST38h | the above scenarios are unfortunately not "it", although a combination of great many such scenarios may qualify |
| 11:38.05 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: there can be improvements to existing projects - for example an openstreetmap editor with automatic streetsign recognition and placing. |
| 11:38.28 | RST38h | yea, probably |
| 11:38.34 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I'm not sure one app is very useful. |
| 11:38.44 | RST38h | except that every country and sometimes every city has got different signs |
| 11:39.25 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I think maybe 5 or 6 apps might be useful to any given user - but they'd be different ones. |
| 11:39.29 | RST38h | Speed: As a user, I want a unified experience, so it is either one app or one framework that makes all the apps look as a single utility to me |
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| 11:39.35 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: yeah. |
| 11:40.00 | RST38h | You want a killer usage scenario, this stuff about every user needing this or that will not fly |
| 11:40.13 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: That's the point. |
| 11:40.22 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: you don't need a killer usage scenario. |
| 11:40.31 | RST38h | To make money I do |
| 11:40.44 | SpeedEvil | You need a lot of deployed phones with the hardware and software openness. |
| 11:40.47 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 11:40.49 | RST38h | To have a hobby I do not, but I already have a hobby. |
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| 11:54.57 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N810 |
| 11:55.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks Stskeeps |
| 11:56.46 | RST38h | heya qwerty |
| 11:56.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Hey RST38h |
| 11:58.58 | RST38h | decides he has to fix DirectX code to work with 16:9 displays |
| 12:01.41 | wazd | wow, snes emu is pretty fast :) |
| 12:02.05 | RST38h | wazd: thank javispedro and pupnik =) |
| 12:02.26 | lardman|home | hmm, I've started a thread in my Python main code, but it seems to run synchronously |
| 12:02.30 | lardman|home | anyone seen that before? |
| 12:02.33 | wazd | pupnik_: great job team :D |
| 12:03.24 | wazd | RST38h: it's even faster than suff within Morph Gear |
| 12:04.24 | RST38h | wazd: Morphgear uses snes9x with minimal changes |
| 12:04.50 | RST38h | wazd: So it should be pretty beatable on arm :) |
| 12:06.34 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, it was pretty slow even on HP 4700 |
| 12:08.49 | wazd | wow! Flashback movies work great :) |
| 12:10.05 | Jaffa | lo from nursery summer fete |
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| 12:22.37 | MaceN8x0 | hm |
| 12:22.39 | MaceN8x0 | odd |
| 12:23.11 | MaceN8x0 | i didnt have anything running on my n810 and the batt died at 75% |
| 12:23.33 | MaceN8x0 | guess even idle 9hrs is too much? |
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| 12:23.43 | ali12341 | it means the battery is worn out |
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| 12:23.53 | MaceN8x0 | doubtful |
| 12:24.02 | MaceN8x0 | it is like 1 month old |
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| 12:24.19 | MaceN8x0 | maybe 2 at most |
| 12:24.27 | ali12341 | rogue process then |
| 12:24.32 | MaceN8x0 | yah |
| 12:24.40 | MaceN8x0 | have to find it |
| 12:24.43 | ShadowJK | cool, I can fit both N800 and N810 in a single jeans pocket |
| 12:25.15 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, depends on the pockets |
| 12:25.36 | MaceN8x0 | in some of my pants i can carry 10 in a single pocket ;) |
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| 12:31.57 | crashanddie_ | lardman, you in london on thursday? |
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| 12:32.39 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, when are you down, fancy a beer? |
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| 12:39.00 | Macer | hm |
| 12:39.03 | Macer | st elmos fire |
| 12:39.05 | Macer | classic |
| 12:40.09 | Macer | rob lowe back in his twentysomething bad guy days |
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| 12:49.08 | oilinki | MaceN8x0: I have similar problems with the batterylife. Could be due old battery, but then again it did started after installing better gpsd. |
| 12:50.07 | oilinki | have this been noted in here? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJLr-ENvP0Y |
| 12:50.37 | oilinki | chinese optima device which is running mixture of maemo and android |
| 12:52.04 | Stskeeps | yeah, but their firmware have some legality issues |
| 12:52.15 | Stskeeps | diablo deriative |
| 12:52.17 | aol_ | mixture of maemo and android ... hehhehe |
| 12:52.31 | aol_ | what the hell is that supposed to mean |
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| 12:53.44 | wazd | oilinki: free jee! :D |
| 12:54.22 | oilinki | well, there are not so many legal issues in china :) |
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| 12:54.44 | mavhc | not IP related anyway |
| 12:54.45 | RST38h | I am given 750k pounds by Toyota and another 1m pounds by Tobacco! |
| 12:54.48 | RST38h | Profit! |
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| 12:55.19 | aol_ | pounds of what? |
| 12:55.34 | RST38h | money I assume |
| 12:55.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Spam? |
| 12:55.43 | RST38h | yep. |
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| 12:56.04 | RST38h | does anybody fall for these? |
| 12:56.11 | aol_ | they can always deliver x pounds of horse manure |
| 12:56.14 | wazd | RST38h: I won 50m pounds in national lottery, I'm rich! :D |
| 12:56.25 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Alas, yes. :( |
| 12:56.57 | mavhc | if only someone would spam a virus to blow up computers of those who fell for spam |
| 12:57.12 | oilinki | things start to be interesting when china is getting more patents of their own. how it will react to the IP things at that time. |
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| 12:57.32 | aol_ | I'm a trusted financial assistant for the Nigerian Royal family |
| 12:57.33 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: Ouch, your "do not install e-mails" are in my spam folder, I've only seen them now; sorry |
| 12:57.50 | andre__ | qwerty12_N810, no problem |
| 12:58.09 | andre__ | qwerty12_N810, blame the substring in my email address ;-) |
| 12:58.09 | RST38h | wazd: Antarctic National Lottery, I assume? =) |
| 12:58.39 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: heh :) |
| 12:58.50 | RST38h | oilinki: US patents? |
| 13:02.17 | oilinki | RST38h: their own patents. |
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| 13:04.57 | RST38h | oilinki: Nothing will happen, the world is not supposed to honor these |
| 13:06.18 | oilinki | when china is producing it's own inventions it might think that it's good thing to honor the patents. |
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| 13:20.42 | t_s_o | hmm, i just noticed that the N900 browser yanked the load bar from tear ;) |
| 13:21.16 | Corsac | tear? |
| 13:23.00 | t_s_o | optional webkit based browser for existing tablets. heh, not only the load bar btw, seems there is a + for creating new "tabs" there to ;) |
| 13:23.21 | Corsac | didn't know that |
| 13:23.26 | Corsac | apt-get's |
| 13:23.35 | qwerty12_N810 | You do know that plus icon is from Diablo itself? ;) |
| 13:23.45 | qwerty12_N810 | (The one employed in Tear) |
| 13:24.07 | t_s_o | may be, no clue |
| 13:24.28 | MaceN8x0 | wtf is a gypsy? |
| 13:24.37 | qwerty12_N810 | t_s_o: The RSS Reader uses it |
| 13:24.40 | MaceN8x0 | i never understood what a gypsy was |
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| 13:24.55 | t_s_o | seems the load bar have the classical gecko issue, jumping back and forth depending on third party content... |
| 13:25.06 | MaceN8x0 | is it like, a race group? |
| 13:25.34 | wazd | well, + to create new tab is definitely Tear's know-how :D |
| 13:26.30 | t_s_o | btw, could the flash issue be a bandwith issue (that is, both downloading and running it at the same time)? do omap have any kind of dma system? |
| 13:26.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Shame they didn't copy one of the biggest things from Tear: using WebKit, but, hopefully, MicroB is actually good in Fremantle |
| 13:27.02 | Corsac | in which repository is tear? |
| 13:27.25 | t_s_o | a third party one, qole runs it, i think... |
| 13:27.45 | angasule | t_s_o: is tear minimalist like arora or does it have some extras? |
| 13:28.04 | t_s_o | qwerty12_N810: its even more confusing given that nokia uses webkit for its S60 browser... |
| 13:28.15 | qwerty12_N810 | nods |
| 13:28.17 | t_s_o | angasule: not familiar with aurora so... |
| 13:28.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Not sure what WRT and Maemo implies either |
| 13:28.29 | angasule | t_s_o: arora is pretty much a wrapper around webkit |
| 13:28.43 | angasule | t_s_o: btw, I didn't misspell it :) |
| 13:29.19 | t_s_o | heh, more that my brain "autocorrected"... |
| 13:29.20 | angasule | I love webkit, arora works with openstreetmap much better than firefox or konqueror |
| 13:29.42 | t_s_o | ugh, qt... |
| 13:29.51 | RST38h | +5MB of RAM? |
| 13:30.19 | Corsac | midori \o/ |
| 13:30.30 | angasule | I ran Qt on the framebuffer on a 32MB laptop, used it to edit maps, browse, etc, it worked fine |
| 13:30.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: Don't get excited: it's an old version |
| 13:30.54 | Corsac | nah, it was a \o/ for midori in general |
| 13:30.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, sorry |
| 13:31.01 | Corsac | not for midori on the nit |
| 13:31.10 | Corsac | 0.1.9 is really nice |
| 13:31.16 | Corsac | and start having ad blocker |
| 13:32.32 | qwerty12_N810 | is a stickler for Firefox on his computer |
| 13:32.55 | lardman|home | jeremiah_: ping |
| 13:32.56 | Captain_Picard | i just tested the n900 |
| 13:32.58 | Captain_Picard | in helsinki |
| 13:33.01 | Captain_Picard | was fun |
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| 13:33.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Captain_Picard: I'd be jealous if you had said you stole it :) |
| 13:33.48 | Captain_Picard | lol |
| 13:33.51 | lardman|home | any one good with rules? |
| 13:34.01 | t_s_o | angasule: mostly that its a extra storage bomb on my N800, nothing against Qt in general... |
| 13:34.02 | lardman|home | I have this: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3b2bab26 |
| 13:34.16 | lardman|home | need to add configure options like so: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m762464f7 |
| 13:34.28 | lardman|home | any ideas? |
| 13:34.30 | angasule | t_s_o: oh, I agree on that, I avoid gtk for that reason |
| 13:34.34 | lardman|home | hates Debian packaging |
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| 13:35.46 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman|home: for "--disable-dmtxquery --disable-dmtxread --disable-dmtxwrite"; look at http://cdbs-doc.duckcorp.org/en/cdbs-doc.xhtml#id490459 |
| 13:36.09 | qwerty12_N810 | CDBS sucks and should be wiped out with a STD BTW |
| 13:36.41 | lardman|home | yeah, well that's the way the makefile came, and if I added in a config.status section it chokes on libtool |
| 13:36.50 | lardman|home | will have a look at those env vars, thanks :) |
| 13:37.25 | wazd | ok, time for some power metal :) |
| 13:37.35 | wazd | gone to the Nightwish concert :) |
| 13:37.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Have fun |
| 13:37.44 | Stskeeps | enjoy |
| 13:39.02 | lopz | hola |
| 13:39.13 | lardman|home | ah for God's sake, what is wrong with this bloody package? |
| 13:39.22 | lardman|home | if I try to build it a second time it chokes |
| 13:39.45 | lardman|home | ./libtool: ./libtool: No such file or directory |
| 13:40.30 | RST38h | autotools is what is wrong |
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| 13:40.46 | lardman|home | any ideas how to fix it? |
| 13:41.10 | lardman|home | or is that a general statement, in which case I agree wholeheartedly |
| 13:42.47 | Corsac | oh, tear has kinetic scrolling |
| 13:43.08 | RST38h | it does, although it is a mixed blessing |
| 13:43.26 | RST38h | lardman: I "fixed" it by axing autotools from my build environment |
| 13:43.32 | lardman|home | lol :) |
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| 13:43.48 | RST38h | lardman: Not sure if you are ok with this approach though. But I can tell you what absolute minimum you need to have for Maemo |
| 13:44.10 | wazd_n800 | I forgot, I'm the tablet user) |
| 13:44.10 | Corsac | hmhm, can we switch it to portrait mode? |
| 13:44.31 | lardman|home | RST38h: give me a tick, might have managed to remove enough crud for it to build, I hope |
| 13:44.43 | lardman|home | yes, built |
| 13:44.46 | lardman|home | what a pita |
| 13:45.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Corsac: http://wiki.maemo.org/Rotation |
| 13:45.59 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: tablets: the no 1 excuse to avoid talking to gf? ;p |
| 13:46.34 | RST38h | lardman: Basically, you can have clean makefile, no autoconf, no libtools, etc, just this line in cflags: `pkg-config $(PACKAGES) --cflags` |
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| 13:46.54 | RST38h | lardman: And set $(PACKAGES) to the list of Maemo-specific libs you are using, like this: |
| 13:47.00 | RST38h | PACKAGES= gtk+-2.0 gconf-2.0 libosso hildon-1 hildon-fm-2 |
| 13:47.09 | angasule | wonders why *anyone* is still using autotools |
| 13:47.43 | RST38h | angasule: Because Maemo dev guide tells you to, and shows appropriate examples |
| 13:47.54 | Stskeeps | angasule: collective insanity |
| 13:48.02 | RST38h | And the autotoolless example has been lost with Maemo3 documentation |
| 13:48.53 | lardman|home | thanks, sounds like it might be useful |
| 13:48.55 | lardman|home | :) |
| 13:52.04 | angasule | Stskeeps: makes sense |
| 13:52.19 | RST38h | Ehehehe, O3D crawls on my laptop |
| 13:52.29 | angasule | what's O3D? |
| 13:52.42 | angasule | argh, I can smell smoke |
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| 13:54.41 | RST38h | that is my Core2 Duo overheating |
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| 14:03.57 | esaym153 | any reason why nokia is using vfat for the internal mmc? |
| 14:04.11 | esaym153 | wants to format it jffs or ext3 |
| 14:04.47 | crashanddie_ | guys |
| 14:04.50 | crashanddie_ | urgent request |
| 14:04.53 | esaym153 | ? |
| 14:05.02 | angasule | hands crashanddie_ a roll of toilet paper |
| 14:05.03 | crashanddie_ | which mobile carrier is going to carry the n900 in the UK? |
| 14:05.21 | esaym153 | rofl |
| 14:05.25 | crashanddie_ | it's for one of the dev, he's going to get a contract but forgot which carrier it was |
| 14:06.23 | angasule | T-Mobile? I don't know, I'm not in the USA, I just heard the name |
| 14:06.35 | angasule | if your connection is better than mine, you can probably google for it in a second :) |
| 14:06.42 | crashanddie_ | UK |
| 14:06.44 | crashanddie_ | not USA |
| 14:06.53 | angasule | oh, hmm, sorry |
| 14:07.20 | qwerty12_N810 | I don't think it's been announced; just the pre-order price from Nokia has |
| 14:07.24 | crashanddie_ | hmm |
| 14:08.06 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: for the UK - it doesn't matter. |
| 14:08.26 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: three.co.uk - t-mobile.co.uk both have not-too-unreasonable data plans. |
| 14:08.39 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: starting at perhaps 15 quid a month |
| 14:08.52 | SpeedEvil | (well - 10 quid for 3 months if you're happy with 50M/month) |
| 14:09.25 | SpeedEvil | 'carry' - as in subsidise - that hasn't been announced yet. |
| 14:09.31 | angasule | don't you get subsidised phones in the UK? |
| 14:09.34 | SpeedEvil | And it may not happen. |
| 14:09.34 | angasule | ah |
| 14:09.37 | SpeedEvil | angasule: yes |
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| 14:09.48 | SpeedEvil | angasule: however - buying SIMs only is easy |
| 14:10.13 | SpeedEvil | angasule: though the deal you get compared to buying a device may suck - but it's sucking less than it has. |
| 14:12.01 | crashanddie_ | thing is, most carriers offer the only "good deals" when you buy a phone |
| 14:12.13 | crashanddie_ | because it means they can simlock you in to their network, and give you a 2 year contract or whatever |
| 14:12.20 | SpeedEvil | But - http://threestore.three.co.uk/dealsummary.aspx?offercode=1MB5GD003&bundled=0 - forex - 5G/month with 15 quid/month. |
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| 14:12.56 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, that's usb |
| 14:14.02 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:14.14 | SpeedEvil | however pop out the SIM, jam it in the n900 and it'll just work |
| 14:14.21 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 14:14.30 | SpeedEvil | Unless you actually want to talk to people. |
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| 14:14.54 | guysoft42 | why after upgrade all apps when load say: clct_ib_application loading? and not the name of the app?? |
| 14:15.00 | SpeedEvil | But anyway - wander around the websites. |
| 14:15.10 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: in what OS? |
| 14:15.30 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, nokia N810, latest unlocked kernel |
| 14:16.09 | crashanddie_ | btw, do we have anything that supports microsoft exchange / blackberry enterprise server on maemo 5? |
| 14:16.41 | Stskeeps | crashanddie_: there's mail for exchange in specs i think |
| 14:17.30 | crashanddie_ | I'm tempted to click on "pre-order" on the nokia website |
| 14:18.01 | crashanddie_ | ok, I'm selling my n810 :) Who wants it? |
| 14:18.21 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: I will offer you one shiny cabbage in return. |
| 14:18.31 | crashanddie_ | interesting |
| 14:18.38 | crashanddie_ | i will take your offer under consideration |
| 14:18.55 | guysoft42 | .. it must be something pushed in to the maemo repo the last week or teo |
| 14:18.56 | guysoft42 | two* |
| 14:19.00 | Stskeeps | i bid two cabbages and a berry |
| 14:19.02 | SpeedEvil | Let me know soon - the varnish has to have time to dry. |
| 14:19.23 | crashanddie_ | Stskeeps, what kind of berry? |
| 14:20.06 | Stskeeps | hm, forestberry |
| 14:21.39 | crashanddie_ | that doesn't sound like a very good bargain |
| 14:21.52 | crashanddie_ | i'll stay with SpeedEvil's shiny cabbage |
| 14:22.16 | Stskeeps | behe |
| 14:22.18 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:23.13 | angasule | I bid three cabbages, half a leberwurst and two olives |
| 14:23.45 | angasule | I need to go buy groceries, that's pretty much all I have, except for the cabbages which I made up |
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| 14:25.38 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, any guess? what is in charge of showing the launching applications name? |
| 14:28.03 | Stskeeps | guysoft42: your .mo prolly got messed up |
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| 14:28.31 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, what package is it in? |
| 14:28.51 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, although, it seems like a software thing.. not a .po thing |
| 14:29.04 | Stskeeps | it's a lot of different files |
| 14:29.15 | guysoft42 | Stskeeps, it does not give an empty string, or a string in the orig languages, it says clct_ib_application |
| 14:30.04 | angasule | has anyone used cmake on maemo? |
| 14:30.10 | Stskeeps | that is the fallback. |
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| 14:37.12 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: To London? |
| 14:37.20 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, indeed |
| 14:37.50 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Pretty much every week. Might try and meet up with lcuk and others on Friday |
| 14:38.25 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, you sob, you've been around in London every week and never offered to have a drink? |
| 14:39.22 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Usually I leave as quickly as possible to get home, especially sincee the last couple of months I've been abroad a couple of nights a week |
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| 14:39.36 | crashanddie_ | oh you puss :P |
| 14:39.53 | crashanddie_ | You're saying you'd rather go home to see your family than meet up in a dodgy pub to meet internet peoples? |
| 14:39.55 | BluesLee | hi |
| 14:40.38 | BluesLee | i had a first look on the maemo.org downloads, why i cant see any packages there, only install files? |
| 14:41.16 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, moin moin |
| 14:41.19 | BluesLee | if i follow the url in the install file i cant find any package |
| 14:41.30 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: moin |
| 14:42.13 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, the .install files usually provide the repositories, however using the standard repositories is highly encouraged |
| 14:42.34 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, the .install file provides the n8x0 with sufficient information to install the application |
| 14:43.17 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, in other words: the actual applications are on specific repositories (debian based architecture), not in the .install file. The .install file is only some kind of link |
| 14:43.47 | Jaffa | BluesLee: The .install is intended to be used on the device and open App Mgr to install a named app (and, if needed, a new repo) |
| 14:44.06 | BluesLee | i know |
| 14:44.16 | BluesLee | but i if i follow the link http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ |
| 14:44.29 | BluesLee | i cant find a deb or whatever is used there |
| 14:44.31 | BluesLee | one mo |
| 14:45.11 | BluesLee | only package files?! |
| 14:45.49 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/ ? |
| 14:47.16 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: hehe |
| 14:47.28 | Jaffa | BluesLee: You're not supposed to need to download a specific deb, since you won't know what deps you need |
| 14:48.24 | BluesLee | Jaffa: with aptitude i guess |
| 14:48.47 | BluesLee | okay |
| 14:48.52 | BluesLee | thats fine |
| 14:49.25 | BluesLee | is there a chess app and something like freenote? |
| 14:49.37 | Jaffa | BluesLee: Well, the built in Application Manager. Like aptitude, but not |
| 14:49.59 | Jaffa | BluesLee: Chess as standard, there's also a Tomboy port called Conboy |
| 14:50.19 | BluesLee | and what is the role of garage.maemo.org, can i find apps there which are not on maemo.org? |
| 14:50.41 | BluesLee | i think i have 1000s of newbie questions |
| 14:50.44 | BluesLee | :-) |
| 14:51.59 | Jaffa | BluesLee: Garage is just a source code provider, like code.google.com or sourcefprge.net |
| 14:52.11 | BluesLee | okay |
| 14:52.13 | Jaffa | You shouldn't need to go there as a newbie |
| 14:52.21 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, are you used to linux? |
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| 14:52.38 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, or more specifically debian/ubuntu? |
| 14:52.41 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: yes, zaurus, openmoko |
| 14:52.42 | Jaffa | http://maemo.org/downloads/ is the first port of call, or just browing in the App Mgr |
| 14:52.49 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: opensuse ... |
| 14:52.49 | SpeedEvil | BluesLee: Traitor! |
| 14:52.52 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:53.09 | BluesLee | hehe |
| 14:53.26 | BluesLee | i think i will get me the n900 |
| 14:53.38 | BluesLee | so i ask stupid questions |
| 14:54.10 | SpeedEvil | would wait until it's released - and any anouncements in my area about carriers. |
| 14:54.18 | SpeedEvil | But if you've got the spare cash... |
| 14:54.20 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, debian is based on the idea that people shouldn't have to find installation packages on their own, and in order to achieve that, we have "repository". A repository contains a lot of installation packages for a lot of apps, and the application manager manages the installation of and dependencies of whatever you need |
| 14:54.35 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, want me to buy one for you? |
| 14:54.45 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie_: well - that too. |
| 14:54.46 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: its the same with rpm |
| 14:54.52 | crashanddie_ | nice to see some people still believe in father christmas |
| 14:55.10 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, ok, then you should know you don't need to look up the .debs directly |
| 14:55.14 | SpeedEvil | But - I mean - but if you've got the cash - then just getting the prerelease and not bothering may work for you. |
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| 14:55.55 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't intending even for comedic effect that to mean 'buy me one' :) |
| 14:56.06 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: normally, i wget the packages for security reasons ... in some cases the packages disappear for instance with my zaurus i had this kind of problems |
| 14:56.32 | crashanddie_ | there is *absolutely* no added security in downloading the packages manually |
| 14:56.54 | Stskeeps | in fact there's less |
| 14:57.05 | Stskeeps | no gpg verification |
| 14:57.08 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: as i said i would wget "maemo.org";-) |
| 14:57.14 | javispedro | gpg verification? :D |
| 14:57.29 | Stskeeps | of repos |
| 14:57.39 | javispedro | do we have that in extras? |
| 14:57.52 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, (and actually, it's not really the same with .RPMs, urpmi (mandriva) and other fun stuff has been written around the .RPM standard (what is it suse? yatzhee or something) to overcome the issue of little distributability, but the whole point of apt-get is that it is a distributed / repository based architecture by design |
| 14:57.58 | crashanddie_ | try to say that in one go |
| 14:57.59 | javispedro | I remember always having to answer yes to that question... |
| 14:58.24 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, yes |
| 14:58.55 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: suse is very popular in germany |
| 14:59.36 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: i will install debian in a box on maemo;-) |
| 14:59.58 | crashanddie_ | sorry? |
| 15:00.28 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, apt-get implements a PKI system that allows to verify packages when they are downloaded |
| 15:01.07 | crashanddie_ | Jaffa, did you get the SA issue solved? |
| 15:01.43 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: something like the TurboEasyDebian package |
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| 15:02.10 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, how about you get the maemo development environment VM? |
| 15:02.35 | javispedro | well |
| 15:02.37 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, it gives you a debian (ubuntu?) based linux + maemo dev completely setup, which allows you to run the applications and everything |
| 15:02.49 | javispedro | everytime I try to apt-get something from extras it warns me signature could not be verified |
| 15:03.14 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, did you install the keys? |
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| 15:03.30 | javispedro | good question. where can I download them from? |
| 15:03.39 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: sounds good |
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| 15:04.47 | crashanddie_ | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle/fremantle-extras-pubkey.asc |
| 15:04.50 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: i guess there is a nX emulator included but not the new stuff from maemo 5 or? |
| 15:05.14 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, haven't looked at it in quite some time, but I assume you are correct |
| 15:05.18 | javispedro | crashanddie_, ta. ah, diablo's not signed. |
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| 15:06.06 | crashanddie_ | javispedro, eh? Why? |
| 15:06.20 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade, WAKE UP!! Why isn't Diablo signed? |
| 15:06.22 | javispedro | dunno.http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/ but see by yourself. |
| 15:06.32 | javispedro | (missing Release.gpg) |
| 15:07.02 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: its a 4.0.x Chinook and 4.1.x Diablo SDK ... i will wait for a 5.x one |
| 15:07.19 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, I would recommend playing around with Diablo |
| 15:07.25 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, it's going to answer a lot of questions |
| 15:07.40 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, sure, fremantle is going to be more interesting, but you might be waiting for quite a while |
| 15:08.48 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: my first step was to look if my favorite apps are available for maemo |
| 15:09.14 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: from that point of view it looks very promising |
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| 15:10.28 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: i think i will have a lot of fun and less problems than with my neo |
| 15:13.17 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: do you think its possible to use an usb dvb stick with the n900? |
| 15:18.01 | aSIMULAtor | pantalones |
| 15:21.59 | pupnik_ | wharz lardman |
| 15:22.29 | pupnik_ | can a program generating audio on DSP output to ESD device / daemon? |
| 15:22.40 | pupnik_ | or gstreamer, or whatever |
| 15:23.26 | pupnik_ | is working himself up into a huff again |
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| 15:29.17 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: i will try Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip |
| 15:29.37 | ShadowJK | oilinki, could it be that the "improved" gpsd keeps gps active all the time? |
| 15:29.50 | crashanddie_ | pupnik_, short or long answer? |
| 15:30.05 | crashanddie_ | BluesLee, you do realise I was gone for the past half hour? |
| 15:30.32 | BluesLee | crashanddie_: i was also absent, no problem |
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| 15:31.26 | jeremiah_ | lardman|out: pong |
| 15:31.32 | jeremiah_ | lardman|out: Guess I missed ya. |
| 15:31.41 | jeremiah_ | lardman|out: I'll be back! |
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| 15:34.37 | pupnik_ | crashanddie_: answer involves copying stream back through CPU in either case, yes? |
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| 15:35.07 | crashanddie_ | pupnik_, the short answer would just have said "yes", but to answer your new question: yes |
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| 15:44.04 | Jaffa | crashanddie_: Yeah, I did thanks |
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| 15:56.09 | mst | right. stupid question, google doesn't seem to be helping me with the answer |
| 15:56.24 | mst | anybody know if I'll be able to get a bluetooth keyboard running on an n900? |
| 15:56.40 | Firebird | it works on the current tablets, so I wouldn't see why not |
| 15:56.40 | crashanddie_ | mst, yes |
| 15:56.56 | mst | it looked like it should |
| 15:57.10 | mst | but the HID profile wasn't mentioned for bluetooth in the n900 spec sheets on the nokia site |
| 15:57.21 | mst | I'm guessing I can just install it for bluez if that's the case? |
| 15:57.31 | Firebird | Hurray, after two days work: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/551/screenshot13.png Linider(Line rider clone) for the tablet (soonish) |
| 16:00.17 | mst | crashanddie_: sorry, li'l paranoid here because I want to be able to noodle with development on the move :) |
| 16:02.04 | SpeedEvil | wonders if you can overclock the video out :) |
| 16:03.46 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, overclock? |
| 16:04.16 | SpeedEvil | Set it to a much larger resolution and get a large mono picture out |
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| 16:17.29 | javispedro | oh |
| 16:17.35 | javispedro | autobuilder is stuck again |
| 16:17.41 | javispedro | did anyone tell X-Fade already? |
| 16:18.04 | javispedro | (it's been stuck since yesterday seems, all targets) |
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| 16:58.02 | X-Fade | Autobuilder problem fixed. Somehow cron wasn't running anymore. |
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| 17:03.08 | icedwater | Hello, anyone here uses a n810? |
| 17:03.29 | icedwater | I'm considering getting it to dualboot. I just got one handed down from a friend :) |
| 17:03.42 | slonopotamus | ~flashing |
| 17:03.43 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:03.52 | slonopotamus | err |
| 17:03.57 | slonopotamus | ~bootmenu |
| 17:04.08 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 17:04.27 | slonopotamus | icedwater, it's somewhere in wiki :) |
| 17:04.53 | icedwater | Hmm... OK, I was on IRC, so I asked here first :D |
| 17:04.56 | icedwater | Thanks, slonopotamus :) |
| 17:07.57 | crashanddie_ | andre__, fuck you |
| 17:08.28 | X-Fade | crashanddie_: watch your language please. |
| 17:08.39 | crashanddie_ | sure dad, sorry |
| 17:09.44 | lcuk_user | :S |
| 17:11.07 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 17:12.42 | crashanddie_ | at the request of some: |
| 17:12.42 | crashanddie_ | [18:11] <crashanddie_> listen, I've always been foul-mouthed and very vocal |
| 17:12.42 | crashanddie_ | [18:11] <crashanddie_> that's not going to change because you like me and you are starting to get cosy with 'em |
| 17:12.42 | crashanddie_ | [18:11] <crashanddie_> hell, that wouldn't even change if I got cosy with 'em |
| 17:12.42 | crashanddie_ | [18:12] <crashanddie_> the only thing that would change is that they'd realise I don't mean to offend and insult by cursing |
| 17:17.11 | lcuk_user | dont expect you to change crashanddie_, but im gonna insert an electric shock device on you kb soon :P |
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| 17:21.24 | X-Fade | I've been known to kick and ban people, I just can't help it ..... Sorry, lame excuse ;) |
| 17:22.31 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade, if you actually thought that was an excuse, you should beef up your english skills, because that's exactly the contrary of what I said |
| 17:23.03 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade, now if you want to take this private I don't mind if you wish for me to clarify myself |
| 17:27.18 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 17:27.22 | X-Fade | I just expect you to be civil on this channel. It is all fun and games here. |
| 17:27.47 | ShadowJK | on a finnish web forum, some rep from nokia.fi online shop said there's no turn by turn voice navigation in N900 |
| 17:28.13 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Not for free at least. |
| 17:28.13 | angasule | ShadowJK: I would say any software feature is a 'not yet' :) |
| 17:28.43 | angasule | is there something like festival but with a nice voice? |
| 17:28.47 | ShadowJK | X-Fade, but they said there isn't any, paid or otherwise :) |
| 17:29.01 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: Ah .. hmmm weird. |
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| 17:31.03 | X-Fade | ShadowJK: I guess we will see soon. |
| 17:31.35 | lcuk_user | even if there isnt an app |
| 17:31.46 | crashanddie_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/09/05/1330256/Nokia-Fears-Carriers-May-Try-To-Undermine-N900?from=rss |
| 17:31.57 | lcuk_user | that just gives extra impotus to provide our own solution |
| 17:32.06 | crashanddie_ | X-Fade, PM |
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| 17:39.17 | angasule | http://navit.sourceforge.net/ <-- and this? :? |
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| 17:43.29 | crashanddie_ | i really need to go now |
| 17:43.37 | crashanddie_ | woops, wrong channel |
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| 17:51.08 | esaym153 | any reason why nokia is using vfat for the internal mmc? |
| 17:51.41 | esaym153 | would using ext3 or jffs give better performance or file continuity |
| 17:53.19 | karbas | but when you connect it to pc you need to have compatible fs |
| 17:53.55 | fnordianslip | if you connect it to a PC, ever ... |
| 17:54.01 | esaym153 | karbas: oh when you connect it to a pc it will mount the mmc as a drive? |
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| 17:54.17 | esaym153 | never connected it to a pc, plus no windows machines around here... |
| 17:54.21 | fnordianslip | but JFFS(2) is a no-no for SD cards |
| 17:54.24 | karbas | esaym153, it shows as storage device to pc |
| 17:54.24 | andre__ | hi crashanddie_, what's your issue? |
| 17:55.25 | esaym153 | fnordianslip: I am talking about the internal mmc |
| 17:55.26 | andre__ | crashanddie_, if you tell me "fuck you" i'd least like to know why ;-) |
| 17:55.58 | crashanddie_ | andre__, stupid reason, nothing serious |
| 17:56.00 | fnordianslip | JFFS(2) only good for MTD devices - basic raw memory |
| 17:57.22 | esaym153 | yea I didn't think the mmc would need that |
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| 17:58.27 | fnordianslip | esaym153: but ext2 would be ok |
| 17:59.29 | esaym153 | fnordianslip: I am thinking about it. What would be the best why to format it? Through usb or try and do it through the device terminal? |
| 17:59.53 | esaym153 | way* |
| 18:00.18 | fnordianslip | esaym153: if you have another linux box with a card reader, i'd use gparted on that |
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| 18:01.05 | esaym153 | fnordianslip: yes nothing about linux machines here. I have a card reader. But The internal mmc is not removable right? |
| 18:01.13 | fnordianslip | esaym153: oops. you mean the internal card don't you. |
| 18:01.17 | esaym153 | yes |
| 18:01.41 | fnordianslip | esaym153: think qwerty12 did a build of gparted for the NITs, but I've never tried it |
| 18:01.44 | esaym153 | I know I would have to change the fstab on the 810 to mount the ext2 |
| 18:02.06 | esaym153 | so I can't format the mmc through the usb connection? |
| 18:02.41 | fnordianslip | esaym153: sorry, dunno, only ever had an N800 so never needed to do it that way |
| 18:02.53 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 18:05.17 | fnordianslip | esaym153: good luck with that, I'm off for beer |
| 18:05.23 | esaym153 | ok |
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| 18:10.59 | RST38h | back |
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| 18:31.42 | Macer | wtf |
| 18:31.58 | Macer | i had dental work done 2 years ago and paid the dentis $200 a week until i paid off a $5000 bill |
| 18:32.24 | Macer | then the bastard sends me 2 receipts trying to yank a ton of money out of my acct saying the insurance "only covered so much and we lost your file and didn't notice it" |
| 18:32.28 | Macer | 2 years later? |
| 18:32.39 | Macer | talk about a bad economy forcing people to do shady shit :) |
| 18:33.35 | Macer | i mean i just contested the payment out of principle and got the money back right away but it still kind of pissed me off... I would have paid the bastard if he just sent me a letter explaining it BEFORE trying to pull almost $1000 from my account. thank god my bank thought it was a shady transaction and he was only able to suck out $400 |
| 18:34.12 | Macer | which i got back already. not the bitch will have to take me to court which isn't worth the money owed |
| 18:34.19 | Macer | s/not/now |
| 18:35.12 | MuJ | the american dream.. you can fuck most of the people so easily |
| 18:35.43 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 18:35.52 | MuJ | thank god there's someone like you who knows what's happening :) |
| 18:36.02 | RST38h | Does it make a difference? |
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| 18:37.12 | Macer | honestly though |
| 18:37.31 | Macer | if he simply sent me a single letter BEFORE trying to take money owed from 2 years ago |
| 18:37.34 | lcuk_hacker | Macer, dentists routinely rip out things |
| 18:37.36 | Macer | i'd have paid it in full the same day :) |
| 18:38.23 | Macer | and judging the situation.. i'd beat his ass up in court and drag it out for about 3 years with a ton of court dates just to keep him either losing business or paying a lawyer :) |
| 18:38.48 | Macer | the $700 would turn into $7000 for him |
| 18:39.05 | MuJ | in Finland we have this thing called "reilu meininki" you only pay for what you need.. |
| 18:39.25 | Macer | well. i did ;) |
| 18:39.41 | Macer | i was "paid in full" at least that is what his receptionist said when i made my last $400 payment |
| 18:39.43 | MuJ | everyone would laugh for some bills that come after |
| 18:40.08 | Macer | anyways.. have to take a shower. nice day. taking my son to the park |
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| 18:43.57 | Firebird | wonders how to delete a garage project |
| 18:44.40 | RST38h | In FInland you have free health care |
| 18:44.41 | lcuk_hacker | once you go open, theres not turning back |
| 18:44.57 | RST38h | moos at lcuk |
| 18:45.13 | lcuk_hacker | hiya rst |
| 18:46.46 | Firebird | there's no turning back? it's more an issue of non development |
| 18:47.16 | lcuk_hacker | im sure theres many similar projects |
| 18:47.21 | lcuk_hacker | what was it for |
| 18:47.56 | t_s_o | german (who else?) engineers make velcro out of steel?! |
| 18:48.19 | Firebird | lcuk_hacker, light weight media player |
| 18:48.37 | RST38h | t_s_o: Usually, it is "British scientists" =) |
| 18:48.42 | lcuk_hacker | so what happened to it |
| 18:48.56 | Firebird | "You cannot remove yourself from this project, because you are admin of it. You should ask other admin to reset your admin privilege first." what!? |
| 18:49.25 | RST38h | Firebird: Just ask X-Fade to delete the project |
| 18:49.51 | t_s_o | lcuk_hacker: canola happened? |
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| 18:50.15 | RST38h | Canola isn't lightweight by any measure |
| 18:50.37 | Firebird | no, t_s_o, schoolwork happened |
| 18:51.06 | lcuk_hacker | t_s_o, even without canola or ukmp |
| 18:51.11 | Firebird | was hoping to have something like youamp, but with more st00f |
| 18:51.20 | lcuk_hacker | writing a media player in linux is kinda like hello world |
| 18:51.37 | RST38h | not if you do it honestly |
| 18:51.51 | RST38h | using mplayer does not count as writing media player |
| 18:52.07 | Firebird | front-ends ftw? |
| 18:52.08 | lcuk_hacker | you will have same feeling about using mafw |
| 18:52.10 | t_s_o | i would love to see a youamp minus the fancy media manager |
| 18:52.31 | Corsac | i'd love to see a library media player with random album playback |
| 18:52.35 | Corsac | other and quodlibet and amarok |
| 18:54.12 | SpeedEvil | find . -name "*mp3" -print0|sort -zR|xargs mplayer |
| 18:54.39 | Corsac | no |
| 18:55.02 | Corsac | random album playback means âpick an album at random, play it sequentially, then goto step 1â |
| 18:55.25 | Firebird | oh yea, and a2dp integration was one of my goals |
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| 19:18.17 | RST38h | blue pill swallowed? =) |
| 19:18.40 | qwerty12_N810 | *light* blue pill |
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| 19:20.26 | Jaffa | Oh aye? |
| 19:20.32 | Jaffa | Was it diamond shaped? |
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| 19:25.21 | qwerty12_N810 | No, circular. The packaging just said "have a good time". Not sure what's up with that... |
| 19:25.34 | RST38h | The ELF (Earth Liberation Front) has claimed responsibility for destroying the primary AM towers used by radio station KRKO in Washington state. From their statement: 'AM radio waves cause adverse health effects including a higher rate of cancer, harm to wildlife, and that the signals have been interfering with home phone and intercom lines.' |
| 19:25.43 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 19:26.45 | RST38h | But, why the hell haven't they started with AT&T cell towers first?!? |
| 19:27.00 | Firebird | it was closer? |
| 19:27.09 | SpeedEvil | Then they wouldn't be able to twitter about it. |
| 19:27.25 | RST38h | Or easier to blow up. Evildoers always go for soft targets first, lazy bastards |
| 19:27.49 | SpeedEvil | yeah - you can take down AM towers with a hacksaw |
| 19:27.59 | SpeedEvil | cut a guy wire or two |
| 19:28.43 | SpeedEvil | Of course - I wouldn't want to try that as it may fall on you |
| 19:30.41 | suihkulokki | maybe the ELF people are just behind times.. they know AM radio but haven't heard about cellphones yet |
| 19:35.25 | RST38h | Good idea! |
| 19:35.56 | RST38h | Can you imagine what will happen once they learn of cell phone contracts? |
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| 19:37.01 | wazd_n800 | wow, that was awesome! |
| 19:37.07 | RST38h | wazzzd |
| 19:37.55 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, that's mee) |
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| 20:08.20 | wazd | javispedro: ping |
| 20:08.28 | javispedro | wazd: pong |
| 20:08.49 | wazd | javispedro: great job on snes emu, it runs like hell! |
| 20:08.55 | javispedro | ta wazd :D |
| 20:09.07 | wazd | javispedro: but you need a better icon :D |
| 20:09.30 | javispedro | at least I proved I know how to *open* inkscape :D |
| 20:09.47 | ShadowJK | RST38h, AM towers use a few hundred times more power than cellphone towers ;p |
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| 20:10.20 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Oh, so when you blow them up, they provide for much better fireworks? =) |
| 20:10.32 | javispedro | spent a whopping half an hour trying to draw that abomination ;) |
| 20:10.37 | ShadowJK | No but they do radiate alot more before they get blown up |
| 20:10.43 | wazd | javispedro: I can try to open something else :) |
| 20:11.16 | ShadowJK | I mean, you need shitloads of power to broadcast "Voice of America" with the latest news from the point of view of the american government ;P |
| 20:11.33 | RST38h | VoA is broadcast on shortwave |
| 20:11.52 | javispedro | wazd, see? i am such a great designer. lol |
| 20:12.14 | javispedro | jokes apart, ta wazd. is that an offer of a better icon? :D |
| 20:13.36 | wazd | javispedro: yep |
| 20:14.16 | javispedro | :D |
| 20:14.38 | wazd | javispedro: and artwork for start screen maybe |
| 20:15.04 | javispedro | oh, as you have seen, it's currently the icon and bits of text |
| 20:16.46 | wazd | javispedro: yep |
| 20:17.34 | ShadowJK | RST38h, frighteningly I get it on FM too |
| 20:17.48 | ShadowJK | but only during night and only in a certain location :) |
| 20:19.22 | RST38h | ShadowJK: VoA had an office in Moscow for a while and actually broadcast on FM |
| 20:19.51 | ShadowJK | RST38h, wanna know the difference between voa broadcasts during clinton and during bush? ;-) |
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| 20:20.03 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Until Kremlin finally figured things out, some time after "orange revolution" in .UA |
| 20:20.15 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I have not noticed any difference, really |
| 20:20.42 | ShadowJK | it was "Please immunize your child" before, and then it became "democrats are crooks" and rap music |
| 20:20.51 | ShadowJK | but I guess their budget was cut and they had to fill it out with something |
| 20:22.43 | mavhc | please immunize a republican |
| 20:22.52 | mavhc | sorry, sterilize |
| 20:23.22 | RST38h | mavhc: If you do it the right way, they will support it actually |
| 20:24.05 | RST38h | mavhc: Something like "permanent vagina seal to prevent the sin of fornication" |
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| 20:24.33 | Corsac | well, there's always other ways |
| 20:25.19 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I actually never heard VoA or RFERL being partisan. But I have not listened to them all that often |
| 20:26.01 | lcuk_user | zerojay, what was the incredible thing you saw |
| 20:26.49 | ShadowJK | RFERL? |
| 20:27.00 | johnx | mornin' |
| 20:27.04 | RST38h | Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty |
| 20:27.23 | ShadowJK | never heard that one |
| 20:27.51 | ShadowJK | I should construct a proper antenna for DX :) |
| 20:27.53 | RST38h | You want real partisan xenophobic propaganda shit, try Fox |
| 20:28.09 | ShadowJK | luckily it isn't exported |
| 20:28.33 | RST38h | It is. At every US Army base abroad, you have a choice of two channels: Army's own and Fox =) |
| 20:28.37 | Jaffa | In the UK, Murdoch is lobbying to remove the restriction on bias in TV news. |
| 20:28.48 | ShadowJK | It's kinda interesting to listen to the same story from different government-funded stations :) |
| 20:28.48 | Jaffa | If he got his way, Sky News is going to become Fox News :-( |
| 20:29.26 | RST38h | Jaffa: As long as they do not touch BBC, I am fine with it |
| 20:29.28 | ShadowJK | I'd like to catch dprk's radio, but it's kinda hard when their broadcasting is more like a pirate station |
| 20:29.52 | Jaffa | RST38h: (James) Murdoch laid into them recently too, saying it should be abolished. |
| 20:30.09 | RST38h | JaffaL How about abolishing Murdoch instead? |
| 20:30.25 | Jaffa | RST38h: No argument from me :-) |
| 20:30.29 | angasule | heh |
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| 20:30.54 | johnx | then we all agree: let's talk about implementation |
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| 20:31.08 | RST38h | johnx: aka "what to do with the bodies" |
| 20:31.29 | SpeedEvil | Why is that an issue? |
| 20:31.38 | SpeedEvil | McDonalds pays top-dollar for bodies. |
| 20:34.22 | RST38h | John Dolan watching CNN: http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=7031&IBLOCK_ID=35 |
| 20:34.46 | RST38h | Enjoy (and yes, it is EXACTLY as he describes, happened to me too) |
| 20:36.47 | derf | There's a reason I don't watch TV anymore, and _never_ watched network news. |
| 20:36.49 | timeless_mbp | wazd: um |
| 20:37.00 | timeless_mbp | were you the one asking if the volume buttons trigger zooming on the n900? |
| 20:37.05 | timeless_mbp | the answer is that in general, they do |
| 20:37.09 | RST38h | derf: I limit myself to History Ch, Nature Ch, and the like |
| 20:37.27 | RST38h | derf: SF is also sometimes ok, at least they do not pretend their programming is about real life |
| 20:37.28 | derf | Yeah, the Nazi/Vietnam channel wasn't bad. |
| 20:37.54 | wazd | timeless_mbp: no, that was not me, but good to hear it anyway :) |
| 20:38.20 | lcuk_user | timeless_mbp, trigger zooming? |
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| 20:38.47 | GeneralAntilles | finally achieved victory over Apple. |
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| 20:39.00 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: how |
| 20:39.00 | lcuk_user | GeneralAntilles, you peeled it? |
| 20:39.04 | timeless_mbp | lcuk_user: yes |
| 20:39.10 | lcuk_user | in what respect |
| 20:39.13 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, new Mac Pro. |
| 20:39.20 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 20:39.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Congrats |
| 20:39.21 | GeneralAntilles | Dual 2.26GHz |
| 20:39.24 | SpeedEvil | I have recently also achieved victory over apple. |
| 20:39.26 | timeless_mbp | did it come w/ 10.6? |
| 20:39.29 | GeneralAntilles | Only took 4 and a half months. |
| 20:39.33 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, dunno. |
| 20:39.35 | SpeedEvil | I have just pureed about 3Kg from my tree. |
| 20:39.43 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, sounds tasty. |
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| 20:40.16 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: do you convert those into pie charts? |
| 20:40.33 | GeneralAntilles | . . . dealing with 3 customer relations representatives, 6 trips to 2 Apple Stores, 4 Geniuses 2 store managers and a hundred bajillon phone calls. . . |
| 20:40.35 | SpeedEvil | I make them into warm apple pie. That I then enjoy. |
| 20:41.26 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, I haven't made apple pie in so long. |
| 20:41.29 | GeneralAntilles | I know what I |
| 20:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | 'm doing tomorrow. . . . |
| 20:42.38 | SpeedEvil | little bit of ginger, some cinnamon, a little raspberry, and yummy. |
| 20:42.44 | RST38h | General: Have you had to kill Steve Jobs for it? |
| 20:42.46 | timeless_mbp | yum |
| 20:42.48 | RST38h | Was it tough? |
| 20:42.55 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: hey |
| 20:43.00 | timeless_mbp | hrm, no, wrong person |
| 20:43.01 | RST38h | How many fireballs did Jobs take? |
| 20:43.05 | timeless_mbp | lcuk_user: you're in .uk, no? |
| 20:43.13 | timeless_mbp | can you send a letter to apple legal for me? |
| 20:43.35 | lcuk_user | yes |
| 20:43.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 20:43.37 | lcuk_user | no |
| 20:43.38 | timeless_mbp | i'd like them to send me the iTunes Store/iTunes/iPod Touch OS license agreement(s) for Finland in English |
| 20:43.49 | GeneralAntilles | My friend's Xbox just connected through Joiku on my 5800. |
| 20:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | He went to stream Netflix from it. . . . |
| 20:44.10 | lcuk_user | timeless, i dont think steve jobs cares much for finland |
| 20:44.18 | RST38h | How many zeros will the cell phone bill have? Any guesses? |
| 20:44.23 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, 4. |
| 20:44.24 | timeless_mbp | lcuk_user: i'm told the lawyers live in .uk |
| 20:44.31 | timeless_mbp | at least the .eu users w/ which i must deal |
| 20:44.41 | RST38h | hopes there will be a dot :) |
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| 20:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, probably none, I think AT&T is just going to send a team to gang rape me right here. |
| 20:44.59 | lcuk_user | pass |
| 20:45.05 | lcuk_user | apples arent my favorite fruit |
| 20:45.11 | RST38h | General: Ah, no, they will always go for money first =) |
| 20:45.35 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: Ow. |
| 20:45.38 | lcuk_user | ive just paid the most ever for 3gb of 3g data |
| 20:45.45 | lcuk_user | £45 !!! |
| 20:45.50 | GeneralAntilles | bought a DSi now that he doesn't have to worry about getting a new computer. |
| 20:46.05 | RST38h | Happy campers, still no 3G here |
| 20:46.08 | angasule | I want an N900 now! |
| 20:46.09 | GeneralAntilles | Matte finish is interesting. |
| 20:46.16 | angasule | bring me one, I command you |
| 20:46.18 | SpeedEvil | icuk: my out-of-bundle charges for that would be around a thousand quid |
| 20:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | angasule, don't we all. |
| 20:46.21 | johnx | has been streaming last.fm over cellular, but not netflix |
| 20:46.22 | johnx | hmmm |
| 20:46.24 | lcuk_user | mind you, £30 of that was to buy the usb broadband adapter - which included the 3g pay as you go sim |
| 20:46.30 | lcuk_user | so £15 for 3gb |
| 20:46.31 | SpeedEvil | lcuk_user: |
| 20:46.50 | lcuk_user | anyone want a usb broadband adapter? |
| 20:46.51 | lcuk_user | sans sim |
| 20:46.58 | SpeedEvil | has just purchased a SIM for backup internet use - 150M/90 days timeout - for 10 quid - which works for me. |
| 20:47.02 | johnx | prepaid data...you must live a blessed existence |
| 20:47.05 | lcuk_user | puts it up on ebay for £40 |
| 20:47.06 | SpeedEvil | lcuk_user: what model - and locked I assume? |
| 20:47.11 | johnx | lcuk_user, quad band gsm? |
| 20:47.13 | lcuk_user | SpeedEvil, mmm |
| 20:47.19 | lcuk_user | o2 shop |
| 20:47.27 | lcuk_user | the thing they sell for laptops |
| 20:47.36 | lcuk_user | i dunno what bands it supports |
| 20:47.38 | SpeedEvil | nvm. I don't need one. |
| 20:47.43 | lcuk_user | i needed it to test 3g uploading of sketches |
| 20:47.49 | lcuk_user | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_river.php?username=lcuk |
| 20:47.50 | lcuk_user | hi johnx |
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| 20:49.42 | Jaffa | lcuk_user: What network, btw? Oh. O2 |
| 20:50.03 | Jaffa | spoke to three.co.uk's online peeps and they said that their dongles' SIMs would only work in their dongles. |
| 20:50.34 | lcuk_user | i went in shop and asked whether the sim could be put in any hardware |
| 20:50.55 | lcuk_user | hes like yeah, and if you do have probs there a 30day money back doofer :) |
| 20:51.15 | lcuk_user | but, not needed - working perfectly (after changing the default supplied username/password from device) |
| 20:51.25 | lcuk_user | when it picked up orange |
| 20:51.36 | lcuk_user | timeless, do you know whos involved with those settings files |
| 20:51.57 | timeless_mbp | i've seen bugs get lost trying to get them to fix them :) |
| 20:52.01 | timeless_mbp | does that count? |
| 20:52.08 | lcuk_user | heh |
| 20:52.32 | timeless_mbp | the bugs were amusing, albeit terribly depressing |
| 20:54.44 | SpeedEvil | lcuk_user: it requires a 3G capable non-locked modem capable of the bands in question - otehrwise it works |
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| 20:55.45 | lcuk_user | right |
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| 21:19.40 | SpeedEvil | lcuk_user: do you happen to have ppp logs for 3? and what the APN and other details should be - I'm getting an immediate disconnect on connection. |
| 21:20.22 | lcuk_user | ive never used 3 beyond as a number and amount of people in bed |
| 21:20.30 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:21.01 | SpeedEvil | oh - I misread |
| 21:21.18 | lcuk_user | lol |
| 21:21.27 | lcuk_user | i thought i had miscounted ;) |
| 21:21.42 | ShadowJK | 3 doesn't tell you the APN you need? |
| 21:21.47 | lcuk_user | i dunno |
| 21:21.49 | lcuk_user | i dont have 3 |
| 21:21.54 | lcuk_user | whatever gives you the idea i do |
| 21:22.01 | ShadowJK | I was asking SpeedEvil |
| 21:22.15 | SpeedEvil | 'install this windows-only application'... |
| 21:22.46 | ShadowJK | getting settings right on phones, modems, etc, is pretty damn hard as is, even without operators not giving out the information you need. |
| 21:23.06 | ShadowJK | Only idiots and lunatics install operator-provided software and cellphone vendor-provided software. |
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| 21:23.14 | ZogG | hey |
| 21:23.18 | ShadowJK | It's recipie for having your system screwed up. |
| 21:23.32 | SpeedEvil | has no clue. It's doing 'CHAP authentication succeeded' - then 'sent confreq for DNS' - then hangup |
| 21:23.49 | ZogG | i'm wondering, as i know maemo is actually based on debian |
| 21:23.55 | RST38h | You have to make a sacrifice to the Tentacled One. |
| 21:24.01 | ShadowJK | Especially when Windows XP itself is perfectly capable of establishing a internet connection via your bluetooth or irda-enabled phone just fine, no extra software required. |
| 21:24.04 | ZogG | but what WM/DE it uses? |
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| 21:24.11 | ShadowJK | And presumably, vista too |
| 21:24.16 | RST38h | A human sacrifice would be perfect, but a rabbit or two will do. |
| 21:24.33 | ShadowJK | ZogG, you could call the wm/de "maemo" |
| 21:24.41 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Ah, there is even better scenario |
| 21:24.50 | ZogG | ShadowJK it's just built in soft, likei in ubuntu it's netwrokmanager |
| 21:25.00 | RST38h | ShadowJK: What if connection is established by a tiny chinese made router box? |
| 21:25.08 | ZogG | ShadowJK, but can i use it on other distro? |
| 21:25.19 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: I saw some of those on ebay - interesting |
| 21:25.22 | RST38h | ShadowJK: ...and something breaks and you have to call your provider, and provider asks what OS you are running... |
| 21:25.29 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: rabbits? |
| 21:25.40 | ShadowJK | RST38h, my provider was at one point selling those chinese made router boxen :-) |
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| 21:25.43 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: little chinese router boxes |
| 21:25.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Usually goes like this with Verizon: |
| 21:25.56 | RST38h | Speed: oh, www.dlink.com, there is a full website of those |
| 21:26.06 | woglinde | hi |
| 21:26.25 | ShadowJK | And I know one operator here in .fi replaces certain ZTE 3G dongles because they don't work together with routers |
| 21:26.39 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Do you run Windows? - No. - Do you run MacOS? - No. - We do not support Linux, if you run it. - Not running Linux. - <sounds of core being dumped at the other end of the line? |
| 21:27.05 | lcuk_user | hi woglinde \o |
| 21:27.10 | ZogG | RST38h or a place to find job there =) |
| 21:27.23 | ShadowJK | ZogG, some lunatics ported gnetoo to N8x0 atleast |
| 21:27.24 | ZogG | companies started to re-think bout linux |
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| 21:27.31 | ShadowJK | gentoo* |
| 21:27.39 | RST38h | ZogG: Where? |
| 21:27.40 | GeneralAntilles | ShadowJK, the DE is Hildon. |
| 21:27.46 | ZogG | ShadowJK yeah. that's what i thought to try after i get n900 |
| 21:27.55 | ZogG | RST38h here israel e.g. |
| 21:28.21 | ShadowJK | ZogG, you'll probably have fun making it work with the hardware :-) |
| 21:28.26 | ZogG | GeneralAntilles can i install it separetly |
| 21:28.39 | RST38h | ZogG: Low salaries, weird customs laws, desert, arabs, jews. |
| 21:28.42 | ZogG | i thought to use mamemo kernel and WM and put gento on it |
| 21:28.51 | ZogG | RST38h =) |
| 21:28.57 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG, the Maemo 4 version was packaged for Debian a while back. |
| 21:29.10 | ZogG | ShadowJK what can be a problem i can use maemo kernel anyway |
| 21:29.32 | ZogG | GeneralAntilles i'm just wondering if it's possible |
| 21:29.40 | RST38h | ZogG: I am not going auto-anti-semitic so late in my life, thanks. |
| 21:29.45 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG, probably, but certainly not worth it. |
| 21:29.50 | ZogG | i think i would love n900 as it is anyway, but curios to understand |
| 21:29.53 | ShadowJK | Well.. if we compare to N8x0 situation, there are like 3 different X servers, each with their benefits and drawbacks :) |
| 21:30.49 | RST38h | On the other hand, at least one big DVD chipset company is .IL-based (Zoran) |
| 21:30.52 | ShadowJK | And on N8x0 the GPS and battery management software can be tricky to use because it expects maemo |
| 21:31.47 | ZogG | RST38h icq is from israel ))) |
| 21:32.20 | ShadowJK | So the sitaution is that while drivers and software exist to use almost everything, it isn't included in any "normal" distribution like gentoo, debian or ubuntu by default. |
| 21:32.34 | RST38h | ZogG: I know. Even knew some original authors, as they started on IRC. |
| 21:32.44 | ZogG | wow |
| 21:33.19 | ShadowJK | iirc at one point AOL/ICQ was using some of Stskeeps' software, the guy in here who heads the Mer project :-) |
| 21:34.03 | lcuk_user | lol RST38h claim to fame now! |
| 21:34.32 | RST38h | lcuk: Yes, I am an old fart and know unexpected people. What else is new? =) |
| 21:34.41 | ZogG | GeneralAntilles is there a way to take a maemo and take it into pioeces like wm/soft/kernel and so on |
| 21:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG, sure, but, again, it's probably not worth it. |
| 21:35.40 | MaceN8x0 | wow notre dame's stadium is huge |
| 21:35.42 | GeneralAntilles | I'd recommend trying it out as-is before you embark on creating your own distro. |
| 21:36.09 | ZogG | GeneralAntilles i just would prefer to work with somethink i know how it works |
| 21:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | Do you know how Debian works? |
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| 21:36.41 | ZogG | yes |
| 21:36.44 | RST38h | Maemo is a Linux distro, works like any other Linux distro |
| 21:37.09 | RST38h | There are some interesting additions like alarmd, but they are bolted on top |
| 21:37.34 | ShadowJK | ZogG, you are likely to repeat the excercises that lead to the creation of Mer. First they ported debian, then the discovered that debian isn't that nice to use on a tablet. Then they discovered that debian eats battery ;-) |
| 21:37.50 | ZogG | it's just interesting and also it's fun to play with it( i mean trying to set your distro and so on) |
| 21:37.57 | Robot101 | how does a distribution eat battery?! |
| 21:38.03 | RST38h | Robot: Quickly. |
| 21:38.23 | ZogG | like pacman -) |
| 21:38.35 | MaceN8x0 | wow. nevada is getting crushed |
| 21:38.53 | ZogG | Mer is a fork of debian as i understand |
| 21:39.07 | ZogG | but as i say i can use mer kernel on gentoo |
| 21:39.11 | GeneralAntilles | ZogG, Mer is based on Jaunty. |
| 21:39.14 | MaceN8x0 | more a fork of ubuntu |
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| 21:39.24 | MaceN8x0 | and fremantle |
| 21:39.26 | ShadowJK | Robot101, maemo does things like detecting if the user is idle. If the user is idle, it sends a signal to all programs to reduce their activity, it increases the powersaving mode on wifi, sacrificing latency for energysaving, and so on. |
| 21:39.30 | GeneralAntilles | and it's not a fork at all |
| 21:39.41 | GeneralAntilles | It's Jaunty with mobile stuff on top. |
| 21:39.48 | RST38h | ShadowJK: It actually puts the SoC on standby |
| 21:39.50 | Jaffa | In fact, there was talk of Mer being the basis for Ubuntu MID in Karmic |
| 21:40.02 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Leaving the timer ticking |
| 21:40.19 | ShadowJK | RST38h, yeah but if you have xchat running xchat still gets chat and stuff :) |
| 21:40.32 | ZogG | and how about android apps? |
| 21:40.34 | MaceN8x0 | by killing your battery |
| 21:40.37 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Yes, it gets woken up |
| 21:40.40 | Robot101 | all of those things should happen on a laptop or desktop too, its just a matter of making sure all of the features of the hardware are being used |
| 21:41.00 | RST38h | ShadowJK: ARM SoCs can go on/off standby really fast |
| 21:41.03 | Robot101 | (latency / powersaving is a ruse - run things as fast as possible and then put the CPU to sleep) |
| 21:41.06 | MaceN8x0 | hometools is a powerwhore |
| 21:41.09 | RST38h | ShadowJK: (as opposed to x86) |
| 21:41.30 | ShadowJK | ZogG, well... Maemo is linux kernel and a linux distribution, android is linux kernel and android. It's a completely different stack |
| 21:41.34 | Robot101 | anyway I contest this is the fault of Debian, you can install/enable all of these things regardless of the distribution |
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| 21:41.56 | Robot101 | its just that Maemo does, and Mer presumably does, the choice of Debian vs Ubuntu is a red herring. |
| 21:42.00 | MaceN8x0 | Robot101, android sucks |
| 21:42.19 | MaceN8x0 | and they mostly use the linux part for the jre and hal |
| 21:42.30 | RST38h | dalvik not jre |
| 21:42.42 | RST38h | ok, sleep time |
| 21:42.47 | MaceN8x0 | isnt dalvik just another jre? |
| 21:43.03 | javispedro | nope |
| 21:43.11 | javispedro | they run their own bytecode format for a start |
| 21:43.11 | RST38h | it is, but there are too many differences to call it that |
| 21:43.15 | ShadowJK | iirc people have installed android on N8x0 too.. and found that it wasn't that exciting? :) |
| 21:43.23 | woglinde | too many? |
| 21:43.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Found it was unstable, you mean |
| 21:43.36 | javispedro | jre is "java runtime env". <flame>calling dalvik java is wrong.</flame> |
| 21:43.39 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, it isnt exciting on any hardware |
| 21:43.45 | RST38h | javispedro: it is java. |
| 21:43.56 | javispedro | at most, it is "java-like" |
| 21:44.02 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 21:44.10 | RST38h | javispedro: they just figured out that the stack based VM was an idiotic idea and changed the byte code |
| 21:44.14 | ShadowJK | Can we just agree on that android is excentric? :-) |
| 21:44.22 | MaceN8x0 | like linux is "unix-like" |
| 21:44.25 | MaceN8x0 | ? |
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| 21:44.27 | Jaffa | For a developer, it's basically Java. For a JRE nerd, it's not ;-) |
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| 21:44.29 | nadavwr | dalvik != java. google convert java bytecode to dalvik bytecode, which is entirely different |
| 21:44.39 | RST38h | javispedro: but as long as it can run the same java code(after compilation), it is generally java |
| 21:44.43 | javispedro | see? flame :) |
| 21:45.02 | nadavwr | for the runtime, they use a modified apache-harmony, similarly converted to dalvik bytecode |
| 21:45.10 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: don't complain; just grab the popcorn :) |
| 21:45.12 | javispedro | RST38h, it cannot. because of incomplete/incompatible classpath. of course, you can argue java is the lang and not the class library. |
| 21:45.13 | MaceN8x0 | javispedro, uh oh, looks like we have another gpl lgpl argument |
| 21:45.25 | RST38h | javispedro: that is libraries. |
| 21:45.32 | javispedro | told you :) |
| 21:45.38 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 21:45.39 | nadavwr | Hi all, I have a question regarding X.org on N810... |
| 21:45.51 | woglinde | hm I learned google only change class format and classloader a little bit |
| 21:45.54 | RST38h | strongly suspect that in 4-5 years the last remaining Java people will "discover" native code compilation |
| 21:46.06 | nadavwr | I'm trying to run Xorg on a separate VT (I boot plain Maemo) |
| 21:46.28 | RST38h | And cause another minor hype bump by peddling "java compiler turning your code into native assembly code" |
| 21:46.30 | MaceN8x0 | RST38h, blasphemy |
| 21:46.32 | Jaffa | RST38h: I strongly suspect you're very wrong (in at least the areas where Java is strongest in terms of market share etc. - e.g. server side code) |
| 21:47.01 | MaceN8x0 | i think java is a sham |
| 21:47.04 | RST38h | Jaffa: Imagine how much fewer server blades you would need ;) |
| 21:47.09 | ShadowJK | turning it into native code is probably beneficial for UI stuff though, where startup latency actually matters |
| 21:47.14 | nadavwr | I set xorg.conf to use fbdev (not omapfb) |
| 21:47.16 | MaceN8x0 | universal? |
| 21:47.18 | MaceN8x0 | lies |
| 21:47.39 | javispedro | RST38h, native code won't help with Java's memory usage much. |
| 21:47.41 | Jaffa | RST38h: And imagine all the ISVs who have to do extra work & testing to support their customer environments. |
| 21:47.43 | RST38h | "If Java is the answer, then what the hell was the question?!?" :) |
| 21:47.55 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 21:47.55 | MaceN8x0 | C |
| 21:47.55 | ShadowJK | RST38h, it's not entirely clear that it would reduce the need for server blades ;-) |
| 21:47.55 | MaceN8x0 | ;) |
| 21:48.13 | timeless_mbp | design a standardized language! |
| 21:48.30 | timeless_mbp | with conformance criteria! |
| 21:48.30 | RST38h | Jaffa: maintaining badly written java code also takes resources |
| 21:48.30 | nadavwr | I switch back and forth using 'sudo chvt ' (2 for original Xomap, 3 for Xorg) |
| 21:48.32 | MaceN8x0 | timeless, arent they all pretty standard? |
| 21:48.37 | woglinde | *g* I get my money for coding java/python/c/qt so what |
| 21:48.39 | javispedro | RST38h, on a server, usually the binary is loaded and JITted once for a lifetime. so the reason you need a frigging million servers to "Hello world" is just because of memory usage of the classpath. |
| 21:48.40 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Well I guess they would find some other reason to get more blades |
| 21:48.43 | timeless_mbp | calling C standard is just funny |
| 21:48.59 | Jaffa | RST38h: And maintaining badly written C also does. Stop trolling. |
| 21:49.00 | MaceN8x0 | timeless, plus, open communities would screw it up |
| 21:49.08 | woglinde | and programmin with java springframework is really nice |
| 21:49.13 | RST38h | Jaffa: Badly written C code usually just FAILS :) |
| 21:49.21 | Jaffa | Pfft. |
| 21:49.22 | nadavwr | So far, my only problem has been tslib calibration |
| 21:49.22 | MaceN8x0 | fork it 50 times |
| 21:49.24 | `0660 | i think jvm actually makes optimizations that can only be made runtime. compiling to native code and dropping the vm would lose that ability |
| 21:49.29 | RST38h | Jaffa: Badly written Java code runs for years, justifying getting more hw ;) |
| 21:49.37 | Jaffa | RST38h: Or exposes a buffer overflow |
| 21:49.51 | ShadowJK | The problem with fully standardized languages is the lack of a universal standardized implementation :D |
| 21:49.54 | RST38h | Jaffa: That too, but statistically, it usually fails. |
| 21:49.58 | nadavwr | has anybody gotten ts_calibrate to work (and actually yield something useful) for Xorg? |
| 21:50.03 | RST38h | right away, catastrophically |
| 21:50.17 | RST38h | Before, I go to sleep: |
| 21:50.24 | MaceN8x0 | either way, android is a let down |
| 21:50.27 | RST38h | ---==* ADA *==--- |
| 21:50.34 | javispedro | AAAAAAAA |
| 21:50.35 | RST38h | (here, feed) |
| 21:50.39 | javispedro | DDDDDDDDDDDAAAAAAAAAA ? |
| 21:50.40 | MaceN8x0 | i might try a hero rom |
| 21:50.51 | MaceN8x0 | just to destroy my phone speed |
| 21:51.08 | MaceN8x0 | i want an n900 so bad |
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| 21:51.20 | nadavwr | BTW, WorldWindJava is now installable and runnable on Karmic/armel |
| 21:51.22 | MaceN8x0 | so i can ditch the G1 + n810 |
| 21:51.52 | ShadowJK | It takes effort to write portable C and sticking to the standards. Only a few people can do it. Once I found this program written for X11 in 1992. In 2004 it compiled fine on my Linux machine, and ran fine with X.org :-) |
| 21:51.57 | MaceN8x0 | nadavwr, karmic = ubuntu? |
| 21:52.03 | nadavwr | okay, one more try: anybody had any luck with tslib+xorg? |
| 21:52.03 | nadavwr | yes |
| 21:52.08 | nadavwr | karmic = ubuntu |
| 21:52.31 | MaceN8x0 | have you tried it on an n8x0? |
| 21:52.35 | nadavwr | yes |
| 21:52.47 | MaceN8x0 | how well does it support the hw? |
| 21:52.54 | nadavwr | it is *extremely* slow, but I got myself a blue marble :) |
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| 21:53.07 | MaceN8x0 | and what ui does it use? |
| 21:53.22 | nadavwr | problem is 3d acceleration -- all that was missing before is the jogl jni stuff |
| 21:53.28 | nadavwr | UI -- swing |
| 21:53.39 | MaceN8x0 | no 3d accel on n810 |
| 21:53.57 | MaceN8x0 | ti are mean and wont release the driver it seems |
| 21:53.57 | nadavwr | yeah, only software emulation using mesa |
| 21:54.13 | MaceN8x0 | so all the hardware works? |
| 21:54.31 | nadavwr | what do you mean, 'all the hardware'? |
| 21:54.44 | MaceN8x0 | on the n810 |
| 21:54.45 | nadavwr | oh, no -- jogl is using mesa |
| 21:54.49 | ShadowJK | MaceN8x0, if he boots maemo... |
| 21:54.58 | ShadowJK | presumably the hardware keeps working.. |
| 21:55.03 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, heh |
| 21:55.10 | MaceN8x0 | then he isnt using ubuntu |
| 21:55.19 | MaceN8x0 | chroot doesnt count |
| 21:55.23 | nadavwr | I'm only using ubuntu in chroot |
| 21:55.30 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 21:55.30 | javispedro | is reminded of n8x0 3d drivers and cries |
| 21:55.39 | MaceN8x0 | javispedro, haha |
| 21:55.42 | woglinde | javispedro haha why? |
| 21:55.54 | javispedro | 's still waiting for them :'( |
| 21:56.03 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:56.04 | MaceN8x0 | because his n810 should be running accelerated glxgears |
| 21:56.09 | javispedro | yes!! :) |
| 21:56.12 | woglinde | omap2 is out |
| 21:56.13 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 21:56.14 | nadavwr | Opera + MicroEmu runs wicked fast using sun's embedded Java-SE |
| 21:56.32 | nadavwr | meant Opera Mini |
| 21:56.33 | woglinde | ti focus on omap4 and omap3 w/wo sgx |
| 21:56.38 | lbt | MaceN8x0: re TI + driver.... is that new information? |
| 21:56.47 | MaceN8x0 | lbt, no? |
| 21:56.57 | lbt | ok |
| 21:56.57 | ShadowJK | nadavwr, i'd want to have opera mini on n8x0 :) |
| 21:57.03 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 21:57.03 | woglinde | hm okay on the arm ml are lof of patches for omap2 too |
| 21:57.24 | MaceN8x0 | lbt, why? |
| 21:57.26 | nadavwr | okay, I'll whip something up onto a pastebin and have it here in a couple of minutes |
| 21:57.49 | lbt | quim was going to talk to them about it. I doubt much has happened just recently though. |
| 21:57.57 | ShadowJK | needs to sleep |
| 21:58.09 | MaceN8x0 | lbt, wow that would be awesome |
| 21:58.19 | javispedro | yeah, my hopes are waning slowly though. |
| 21:58.25 | lbt | no promises |
| 21:58.26 | MaceN8x0 | 3D accel on the n810 seems awesome |
| 21:58.42 | MaceN8x0 | considering the hw is just sitting there waiting |
| 21:58.46 | ShadowJK | It's probably not as exciting as it sounds. I think the "community" will be disappointed when they realize there isn't all that much you can do with it :) |
| 21:58.48 | MaceN8x0 | useless |
| 21:58.52 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 21:58.54 | lbt | even if they release something; we may not have the skills to turn it into working drivers |
| 21:59.05 | javispedro | mainly because I wouldn't expect that's the panacea of running fremantle, which was the original use case |
| 21:59.05 | MaceN8x0 | 3D accel glxgears! |
| 21:59.09 | lcuk_user | ShadowJK, its the availability tho |
| 21:59.12 | javispedro | i would be happy with that :) |
| 21:59.14 | MaceN8x0 | glquake? ;) |
| 21:59.15 | ShadowJK | lcuk_user, yeah |
| 21:59.17 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 21:59.17 | woglinde | glxgears is not a benchmark |
| 21:59.23 | lcuk_user | at least they would be there to try things |
| 21:59.24 | ShadowJK | but I wouldn't expect it to have the horsepower to run composited desktop |
| 21:59.26 | lcuk_user | (like a new liqbase backend) |
| 21:59.33 | MaceN8x0 | woglinde, i know, im joking |
| 21:59.44 | ShadowJK | lcuk_user, you'll get better fps with Xv on N8x0 ;) |
| 21:59.44 | lcuk_user | ShadowJK, i wouldnt either |
| 21:59.51 | lcuk_user | and hope it doesnt get used for it |
| 21:59.51 | javispedro | ShadowJK, me neither. but hey, the iphone 1 had an mbx chip too. |
| 21:59.56 | lcuk_user | ShadowJK, no actually |
| 21:59.59 | lcuk_user | it would be slower |
| 22:00.06 | lcuk_user | the powervr is rgb |
| 22:00.09 | lcuk_user | and it would tear |
| 22:00.12 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:00.24 | lcuk_user | im not interested for desktop res tho |
| 22:00.33 | lcuk_user | gaming is fun and something to do often :) |
| 22:00.50 | MaceN8x0 | lcuk_user, i am sure there are a few things to be done with it |
| 22:00.59 | ShadowJK | Have you ever thought about trying to use the omapfb directly without X, and also trying to use the hardware panning stuff? |
| 22:01.01 | MaceN8x0 | it opens possibilities |
| 22:01.10 | lcuk_user | ShadowJK, yeah i have |
| 22:01.17 | ShadowJK | hm.. although... I think you can get the same sort of accelerated scrolling/panning from Xv |
| 22:01.21 | lcuk_user | the omapfb directly gives me 1 drawback |
| 22:01.28 | lcuk_user | the yuv video mode is not planar |
| 22:01.28 | MaceN8x0 | im suprised nobody has reverse engineered some hacked drivers |
| 22:01.28 | javispedro | I just want it for the sake of it, and are worried qgil/TI's won't find that use case "enough". |
| 22:01.33 | lcuk_user | i have to use xv conversion |
| 22:01.42 | lcuk_user | so technically it would allow a little bit of a speed boost |
| 22:01.52 | ShadowJK | MaceN8x0, you need a blob to reverse engineer :) |
| 22:01.59 | lcuk_user | but i would kill it again cos i would lose cross platformness (when the time comes ) |
| 22:02.18 | woglinde | haha lardman started to reveng the powervr |
| 22:02.38 | lcuk_user | woglinde, fuck the powervr :) what do i need it for? |
| 22:02.38 | javispedro | it's nearly impossible |
| 22:02.58 | woglinde | lcuk_user doom? |
| 22:03.06 | lcuk_user | all liq* apps do the zooming desktop, multitasking kinetic stuff of n900 :) |
| 22:03.08 | javispedro | lcuk_user, c'mon. say "just for the sake of it" :) |
| 22:03.11 | MaceN8x0 | why are they so bent on not giving out a driver again? |
| 22:03.12 | lcuk_user | woglinde, i said - great for gaming |
| 22:03.25 | lcuk_user | but i dont need to reveng it |
| 22:03.25 | MaceN8x0 | fear of the asian industrial knockoff machine? |
| 22:03.34 | javispedro | if it comes with iva driver, the better. |
| 22:03.44 | woglinde | lcuk_user hm dsp video stuff is closed too |
| 22:03.50 | woglinde | but I dont mind |
| 22:03.54 | woglinde | will use it anyway |
| 22:03.55 | lcuk_user | mmm rly |
| 22:04.13 | lcuk_user | thats format conversions and scaling and jpg decoding isnt it |
| 22:04.26 | lcuk_user | are you on about o2 or o3 |
| 22:04.32 | javispedro | lcuk_user, I think you know it better than me :D (from reading the wiki) |
| 22:04.33 | javispedro | o2. |
| 22:04.47 | lcuk_user | heh |
| 22:04.49 | lcuk_user | yeah |
| 22:05.04 | lcuk_user | put a lot of effort to find a way through all that stuff |
| 22:05.47 | javispedro | the original iPhone had an MBX Lite, wonder if we can reveng that "blog". |
| 22:05.49 | ShadowJK | iva is probably not worth it for decoding single jpegs, the setup and transfers are probably slower than doing it on the CPU, plus the memory hit is probably bigger. Where it could possibly be of use would be video playback of mjpeg.. which would be useful in a digital camera... heh |
| 22:05.53 | javispedro | :D=== |
| 22:06.05 | javispedro | s/blog/blob/ |
| 22:06.10 | MaceN8x0 | lcuk_user, make a 3Dish mer ui |
| 22:06.27 | lcuk_user | MaceN8x0, i have setup the new playground to start in windowed mode :) |
| 22:06.41 | lcuk_user | it runs nicely (with a minor aspect ratio bug) |
| 22:06.54 | lcuk_user | you just dont see any screenshots from me |
| 22:07.00 | lcuk_user | because i only capture the yuv overlay |
| 22:07.13 | MaceN8x0 | how is it going? |
| 22:07.24 | lcuk_user | have a look for yourself |
| 22:07.25 | lcuk_user | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_river.php?username=lcuk |
| 22:08.14 | ph5 | javispedro: we even have a blob for omap2430, but the register layout is different from 2420. |
| 22:08.48 | javispedro | well, guessing a register layout is a bit easier than guessing ... a whole gpu driver. |
| 22:08.58 | javispedro | at least you know where to start :P |
| 22:09.06 | lcuk_user | its still pissing in the wind :( |
| 22:09.07 | javispedro | (both are hardwork, of course) |
| 22:09.09 | lcuk_user | hiya ph5 |
| 22:09.19 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
| 22:09.25 | woglinde | he ph5 |
| 22:09.26 | MaceN8x0 | bad res on the shot |
| 22:09.32 | lcuk_user | mmm which shot |
| 22:09.40 | MaceN8x0 | the one you linked |
| 22:09.48 | MaceN8x0 | there is only 1 at the top |
| 22:10.25 | lcuk_user | yeah - ill get a filtered screenie version |
| 22:10.32 | lcuk_user | what do you mean bad res tho |
| 22:11.16 | MaceN8x0 | looks pixelated |
| 22:11.22 | ph5 | hej lcuk_user, woglinde |
| 22:11.26 | MaceN8x0 | looks good tho |
| 22:11.48 | MaceN8x0 | mer needs a nice functional tablet ui |
| 22:12.07 | lcuk_user | MaceN8x0, ok, this is one app http://liqbase.net/liq.20090831_025549.ctrlliqpostcard_intro1.scr.png |
| 22:13.05 | MaceN8x0 | thats liq? |
| 22:13.12 | lcuk_user | yeah |
| 22:13.17 | lcuk_user | looks nice all dressed up doesnt it :) |
| 22:13.19 | MaceN8x0 | guess it is hard to represent in a screenshot |
| 22:13.19 | lcuk_user | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090830_175314.liqaccelview_alternative1.scr.png |
| 22:13.28 | MaceN8x0 | cant see the 3dness |
| 22:13.32 | ph5 | javispedro: nice work on the snes emu, I like the osso-games integration |
| 22:13.42 | lcuk_user | MaceN8x0, what s3d |
| 22:13.42 | javispedro | oh, ta ph5 |
| 22:13.51 | lcuk_user | the zooming panels and movement are what bring it to life |
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| 22:14.04 | lcuk_user | static screenshots are not the porn in liqbase usage :) |
| 22:14.09 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 22:14.13 | javispedro | I found some things wrong in the docs while in the process, I have to remember to edit wiki someday.. |
| 22:14.14 | MaceN8x0 | im sure |
| 22:14.51 | MaceN8x0 | well... i need to take a nap... bbl |
| 22:16.16 | nadavwr | Opera Mini on n810 howto: http://pastebin.com/f4e04149b |
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| 22:18.26 | javispedro | nadavwr, that's definitely interesting and appreciated. |
| 22:18.28 | nadavwr | Never tried it on OpenJDK (only sun) |
| 22:18.51 | javispedro | hopes his embedded jvm trial hasn't run out |
| 22:18.55 | nadavwr | @javispedro thanks |
| 22:19.13 | nadavwr | yikes, I should learn to irc |
| 22:19.27 | javispedro | yeah, me too |
| 22:19.35 | javispedro | I need an updated listing of all those abbreviations |
| 22:19.56 | javispedro | e.g. "ta", I've been using it thinking it replaces "thanks" but never bothered to check if it was the case lol |
| 22:20.09 | javispedro | (I really hope it is lol ) |
| 22:20.23 | woglinde | hm thats intressting never saw the jre for embedded stuff before |
| 22:20.33 | woglinde | thought only phoneme was the only one |
| 22:20.34 | woglinde | hm hm |
| 22:21.25 | nadavwr | well, it's not really advertised, but it's java se 6 update 10, with a browser plugin and webstart. client JIT too, I think. |
| 22:21.26 | Jaffa | javispedro: "ta" is colloquial English (GB) for "thanks" |
| 22:21.35 | javispedro | Jaffa, ta :) |
| 22:21.47 | johnx | MaceN8x0, I guess here is the better place to talk then :) but yeah, lots of people smarter than either of us have tried to package on maemo4 |
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| 22:22.13 | MaceN8x0 | hahaha |
| 22:22.19 | MaceN8x0 | some have done it |
| 22:22.28 | MaceN8x0 | it is incredibly impossible |
| 22:22.30 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 22:22.32 | zerojay | Lcuk when did you get your n900? |
| 22:22.35 | nadavwr | supports swing, and the release notes gives out simple instructions to get going with JavaFX |
| 22:22.40 | johnx | not in a generic way though, only for a couple lightweight things |
| 22:22.42 | woglinde | nadavwr I am working on jalimo |
| 22:22.51 | lcuk_user | who maintains the list |
| 22:22.54 | Captain_Picard | i was using a N900 today |
| 22:22.58 | Captain_Picard | =) |
| 22:23.05 | nadavwr | woglinde, what are you using jalimo for? |
| 22:23.12 | lcuk_user | and is it known as the ial (irc abbreviations list) :D |
| 22:23.17 | MaceN8x0 | Captain_Picard, you are a better person than me, i would have stolen it |
| 22:23.21 | Captain_Picard | lol |
| 22:23.36 | Captain_Picard | there is only one phone in helsinki |
| 22:23.36 | woglinde | nadavwr right now I am project admin haha |
| 22:23.43 | woglinde | I only wanted write support |
| 22:23.44 | Captain_Picard | hard to take it |
| 22:23.44 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 22:23.54 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk_user: I think the best abbrivation is "IANAL" (guess why) |
| 22:24.01 | woglinde | dont know why was made project admin |
| 22:24.09 | MaceN8x0 | Captain_Picard, a pistol and lack of fear of killing helps |
| 22:24.10 | nadavwr | woglinde, didn't know on what side to err :) how is cacao doing compared to shark? |
| 22:24.15 | Captain_Picard | lool |
| 22:24.25 | woglinde | cacao lost some manpower |
| 22:24.28 | Captain_Picard | the person in charge of showing the phone was cute |
| 22:24.29 | Captain_Picard | =) |
| 22:24.41 | MaceN8x0 | finnish girl? |
| 22:24.46 | Captain_Picard | yes |
| 22:24.58 | woglinde | and openjdk with hotspot has now the same features |
| 22:25.13 | woglinde | shark is btw. alpah and betastatus |
| 22:25.17 | woglinde | with the llvm stuff |
| 22:25.19 | Captain_Picard | only thing i forgot was to ssh to my server and irc with it |
| 22:25.19 | Captain_Picard | :( |
| 22:25.26 | Captain_Picard | it had internet on |
| 22:25.40 | Captain_Picard | and it probally didnt have openssh |
| 22:25.41 | Captain_Picard | installed |
| 22:25.46 | nadavwr | OpenJDK we get on ubuntu and debian still has no hotspot -- I think |
| 22:26.30 | javispedro | wow. I did not know there was actually a film about the Darwin Awards. |
| 22:26.53 | woglinde | nadavwr???? |
| 22:26.59 | nadavwr | yes? |
| 22:27.03 | woglinde | nadavwr hotspot is the default engine |
| 22:27.08 | woglinde | shark is new one |
| 22:27.37 | woglinde | openjdk-6-jre-zero - Alternative JVM for OpenJDK, using Zero/Shark |
| 22:27.57 | nadavwr | hold on -- hotspot is a JIT. JIT != JVM |
| 22:28.41 | nadavwr | I think openjdk is only interpreted on ARM |
| 22:28.59 | javispedro | I'd think so too, nadavwr. But the arm one is closed source. |
| 22:29.11 | woglinde | nadavwr jit is either hotspot shark or zero |
| 22:29.40 | javispedro | (I meant, the embedded JVM OpenTTD is closed source) |
| 22:29.51 | javispedro | s/OpenTTD/hotstop/ |
| 22:29.54 | javispedro | bah. |
| 22:30.00 | javispedro | too many openttd today. |
| 22:30.05 | woglinde | javis is not |
| 22:30.11 | woglinde | its all in the openjdk code |
| 22:30.36 | javispedro | you sure? http://java.sun.com/javase/embedded/ |
| 22:30.37 | woglinde | or do you mean the emb jre? |
| 22:30.45 | javispedro | yes :P |
| 22:31.18 | javispedro | sorry for the 30 typos per sentence ;P |
| 22:31.35 | nadavwr | I think Zero is not a JIT, just a very portable interpreter |
| 22:32.30 | nadavwr | here: http://icedtea.classpath.org/wiki/ZeroSharkFaq#What_is_Shark.3F |
| 22:32.42 | nadavwr | "Shark is a just-in-time (JIT) compiler for Zero" |
| 22:33.00 | woglinde | okay okay |
| 22:33.10 | nadavwr | :) |
| 22:33.54 | nadavwr | I've been trying to get an IDE to run on n810, so far with mixed success |
| 22:34.35 | nadavwr | Netbeans and IntelliJ both run, but are a real pain to use. |
| 22:34.45 | woglinde | nadavwr lol that is more pain the compile on the tablet |
| 22:34.46 | nadavwr | read: not practical at all |
| 22:35.09 | nadavwr | yeah, but where I work I can't bring in a laptop, so the tablet is all I've got |
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| 22:35.42 | nadavwr | obviously, it's not my development box, but it's nice to be connected to the internet |
| 22:36.39 | nadavwr | I've had hopes for Eclipse, with it relying on SWT, but the port has been lagging... |
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| 22:37.29 | lbt | eclipse on N800 ... bwahahaha |
| 22:37.33 | nadavwr | I think the only thing stopping eclipse-rcp and eclipse-platform from building is the native launcher they stick in. |
| 22:37.51 | javispedro | nadavwr, the launcher? |
| 22:37.55 | javispedro | nadavwr, so, remove it. |
| 22:39.30 | nadavwr | @javispedro: will do @lbt: laugh all you want, plain eclipse-jdt is less resource hungry than Netbeans and IntelliJ |
| 22:39.46 | javispedro | nadavwr, agreed with that last affirmation |
| 22:40.12 | javispedro | even though did you take numbers to verify it in windows, or gtk |
| 22:40.13 | javispedro | ? |
| 22:40.19 | nadavwr | Of course, once I get it running, I'll just stare at it blankly and not ever use it again :) |
| 22:40.21 | javispedro | cause I believe the swt gtk backend... well. |
| 22:41.13 | nadavwr | actually, not that I remember. just an impression. SWT would be a better idea on NIT than swing, though -- more mature for the platform. |
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| 22:42.24 | nadavwr | Eclipse also has the fastest Java compiler of the three -- Netbeans and IntelliJ both use tools.jar, while Eclipse uses it's own implementation (JDT compiler) |
| 22:42.25 | lbt | launches eclipse : 5464 david 20 0 937m 179m 31m S 1 8.9 0:35.54 eclipse |
| 22:42.29 | Jaffa | Especially with Jalimo's SWT version with some basic auto-hildonisation |
| 22:42.42 | javispedro | ECJ. |
| 22:42.46 | lbt | yep, that's 937m, only 179m resident though |
| 22:43.04 | javispedro | lbt: are you measuring java memory usage by using the OS? :) |
| 22:43.08 | Jaffa | 's run Equinox on cacao on an N810 to test some OSGi stuff (in X Terminal only) |
| 22:44.03 | lbt | javispedro: it's a packaged eclipse - so that's the lot AFAICT |
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| 22:44.17 | lbt | to be fair it's the modelling edition |
| 22:44.43 | nadavwr | Eclipse should be real easy to trim down -- I'm sure there are plenty of bundles we can drop and still have a functional IDE |
| 22:44.54 | javispedro | lbt, well, I've seen crazy -Xms sizes |
| 22:45.10 | nadavwr | @lbt: oh, you mean the 300MB download? :) |
| 22:45.13 | lbt | looks at the cramped UI on his 1920x1280 screen |
| 22:45.30 | lcuk_user | o_O |
| 22:45.33 | lbt | nadavwr: no, that's the process info |
| 22:45.49 | lcuk_user | are you guys discussing linux distros? |
| 22:45.51 | javispedro | the truth is: java uses a friggin lot of memory. |
| 22:45.51 | lbt | wait |
| 22:45.56 | lbt | yes, the 300Mb download |
| 22:46.09 | lbt | lcuk_user: no, java distros |
| 22:46.12 | lbt | sorry, apps |
| 22:46.16 | lbt | sorry, distros |
| 22:46.35 | lbt | it's hard to tell with Java |
| 22:47.55 | lcuk_user | yeah |
| 22:47.58 | lcuk_user | but those are monsters |
| 22:48.34 | nadavwr | Well, it's been nice to visit at #maemo (I recognize most of you from lurking at ITT). goodnight everyone. |
| 22:48.49 | javispedro | gnite nadavwr, and thanks! |
| 22:48.58 | woglinde | nite nadavwr |
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| 23:35.40 | Addison | Hey Javis! What's up big chief? :) |
| 23:38.03 | MaceN8x0 | sure wish sftp wasnt such a cpu whore |
| 23:38.42 | MaceN8x0 | i love the vid playback on the n810 in maemo |
| 23:39.03 | MaceN8x0 | fair sized screen and not bad looking at all with the right encoding |
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