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03:08.26 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | N900 and Maemo 5 announced @ http://maemo.nokia.com | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open! -> http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdy | Maemo Summit 2009: Registration now open - http://tinyurl.com/lumhbk | Maemo 5 will not be available for 770/n8x0/iPhone |
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03:30.13 | comhack | I installed the boot menu and it goes super quick to the first entry. Does anyone know how to slow it down any> |
03:30.22 | Luke-Jr | edit the config? |
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03:30.40 | comhack | yeah the bootconf but where is it |
03:30.47 | comhack | slocate is not available |
03:30.49 | Luke-Jr | /mnt/initfs |
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03:30.58 | comhack | thanks |
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03:54.07 | GAN800 | Engadget :roll: |
03:54.20 | GAN800 | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/nokia-x6-confirmed-to-sport-a-capacitive-display-we-can-finally/ |
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04:08.47 | bbigras | I just compiled a Qt apps with the fremantle sdk. It seems I can't use the keyboard with this apps Is there a onscreen keyboard or do you guys know if I need to do something special to make it work? |
04:09.04 | aspect | my girlfriend prefers resistive .. can't use nails on capacitative :( |
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04:19.13 | kirma | say that in apple store and you're offered a thinly veiled insult as customer service |
04:22.09 | kirma | observes that in data contracts, cartel mentality is going strong in .fi |
04:23.10 | kirma | one and two megabit 3G data deals are the same price between all operators almost to the single cent on all operators, and last time they dropped prices, *all* of them halved them at the same time |
04:23.15 | kirma | and that's now years ago. |
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04:24.45 | kirma | I pay 20 euros for my home 100/10 fixed connection... and the same for one megabit mobile connection. wouldn't care to pay thirty euros for two, when that's mostly theoretically reachable in practice... |
04:25.47 | Proteous | in the US they don't meter your 3g data speeds, they just charge you 5 times as much as everywhere else |
04:26.40 | kirma | I'm just slightly surprised how little local telecom and competition regulation authorities seem to care about pricing that seems *so* much like a cartel |
04:27.36 | kirma | I suppose there's more variation on megabytes-per-month and per-data-day billing options, but those are really not so affordable for power users. |
04:29.07 | oilinki | in thailand we have time based billing for mobile data. it's a bit more understandable for the end users |
04:29.27 | kirma | I suppose it's best to wait until around christmas... if N900 really catches on, the competition should kick in again |
04:29.44 | oilinki | about 4 euros/20 hours/month |
04:30.10 | oilinki | but all we have is EDGE (220kbps downling) |
04:30.21 | kirma | and even operators with good HSPA coverage start offering over 2M connections, not only those that nowhere can actually deliver the promise. |
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04:31.06 | Proteous | I wish I could set my n97 apps to selectivly use edge or 3g |
04:31.33 | Proteous | so I could set my always connected app to use edge but the browsers and other apps to use the faster more power hungry connection |
04:31.39 | kirma | technology-based billing? |
04:32.09 | Proteous | kirma, that's pretty much how it is here |
04:32.20 | kirma | you have to note that interesting things would be needed that to work exactly that way when multiple apps with different priorities would be running at the same time |
04:32.45 | Proteous | if the carrier does a scan and finds you have a "smartphone" but aren't paying the premium for the smartphone data plan they will make you switch |
04:33.18 | Proteous | kirma, I'm pretty sure that edge and 3g can be passing data at the same time |
04:33.22 | Proteous | but maybe not |
04:34.27 | kirma | I have gripes towards .fi operators and european data roaming, but that doesn't compare to the disgust I feel for the situation in US market (and how customers think they're on the most advanced market...) |
04:34.51 | oilinki | kirma: is the 3g/hsdpa good in Finland? What I understood the coverage is very limited? |
04:35.25 | kirma | it's limited. that part doesn't matter so much to me, since I live only 10 km form Helsinki center... |
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05:14.03 | Stskeeps | yawns |
05:14.28 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: slonopotamus is diffing diffs! |
05:15.06 | Myrtti | *yawn*² |
05:15.10 | Stskeeps | anc? |
05:15.14 | Stskeeps | and? |
05:15.27 | Stskeeps | passes tea for Myrtti |
05:17.35 | Proteous | passes a kidney stone for Stskeeps |
05:17.44 | bbigras | someone here has write access to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/ ? |
05:17.52 | Proteous | I hope you kinow how painful it was |
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05:21.27 | Stskeeps | Proteous: thank you for the sacrifice |
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06:12.48 | aSIMULAtor | lol netsplit |
06:12.51 | aSIMULAtor | haven't seen one of those in ages |
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06:17.26 | Corsac | freenode kind-of sucks :) |
06:18.38 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
06:18.49 | MaceN8x0 | everything kind of sucks |
06:19.56 | MaceN8x0 | i think most places use freenode due to its moderation |
06:22.17 | johnx | aSIMULAtor, then you don't hang around freenode enough :D |
06:24.25 | aSIMULAtor | yeah i don't hang around freenode...well...except since yesterday and idling here |
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06:42.35 | kirma | wonders everybody and their dog is queueing to nokia flagship store now |
06:42.48 | kirma | going to check out. |
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06:46.54 | Stskeeps | morning danielwilms |
06:47.13 | danielwilms | morning Stskeeps :) |
06:47.16 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
06:47.37 | Myrtti | fucking stupid emacs |
06:47.44 | Myrtti | stupid sed and awk |
06:47.53 | Stskeeps | curses the water-vacuum cleaner |
06:47.57 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: Can you update the wiki page with that info about USB & charging, please? http://wiki.maemo.org/NokiaWorld_2009_QA |
06:50.15 | MaceN8x0 | water vaccum cleaner? |
06:50.22 | MaceN8x0 | like a shop vac? |
06:50.33 | Stskeeps | like for cleaning a carpet |
06:50.53 | bulfaiter | I don't know if it's too late to ask (or if it's been already answered): will it be possible to sync the n900 with OS X? (via ovi suite, or iSync) |
06:51.26 | Stskeeps | MaceN8x0: finishing up our old apartment so |
06:51.44 | johnx | bulfaiter, too early to ask I think |
06:51.47 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
06:51.55 | johnx | bulfaiter, can mac os x sync to ovi? |
06:53.01 | bulfaiter | johnx: I think the new ovi suite (Beta) will have a os x version |
06:53.28 | bulfaiter | but don't know how it'll integrate with ical, contacts and all that |
06:54.05 | johnx | and I think I heard about the N900 syncing to Ovi |
06:54.21 | johnx | sooo, I'd give it a firm "probably" |
06:54.24 | johnx | but don't pull the trigger until you see someone else actually using it |
06:54.54 | johnx | I mean: the N800 had a camera and had skype, so you'd think video chat on skype would be inevitable |
06:55.37 | bulfaiter | hehe |
06:56.42 | kulve | anybody familiar with tracker? |
06:57.27 | kulve | how do I use e.g. tracker-meta-folder? |
06:59.49 | kulve | or how do I ask tracker to show me the tags of an MP3? |
07:00.32 | Stskeeps | heh, danish newspaper describing n900: a superphone for real men |
07:01.35 | MaceN8x0 | lol |
07:01.49 | Stskeeps | i'm inclined to agree |
07:02.12 | MaceN8x0 | Stskeeps, showing a mountain climber talking on it while fighting off wolves with a knife? |
07:02.57 | johnx | s/knife/n900/ |
07:03.04 | johnx | with the flip out laser sword, and flame thrower ... they dropped those? aaaah |
07:03.18 | johnx | just trust me: the development units had all that and it was *awesome* |
07:03.46 | MaceN8x0 | hahahaha |
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07:04.50 | MaceN8x0 | as long as it has a compass |
07:04.50 | MaceN8x0 | ;) |
07:05.28 | johnx | yup, and I can live with just the blow gun and pipe wrench |
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07:05.45 | Stskeeps | MaceN8x0: with friggen lasers! |
07:06.03 | timsamoff | flies home today. Jaffa is the point-man for today's Nokia World coverage. |
07:06.39 | MaceN8x0 | no, the compass is projected when held perpendicular to the ground by its holographic 3D imaging system |
07:06.54 | johnx | laser compass burns down trees and structures until you can see the north star |
07:07.02 | MaceN8x0 | along with a holographic map |
07:07.02 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: hope it was enjoyable |
07:07.34 | timsamoff | stskeeps: Yes. Thanks! |
07:07.43 | MaceN8x0 | the manly phone |
07:08.04 | MaceN8x0 | maybe it can keep .05 oz of aftershave in it |
07:08.53 | johnx | or it's actually just a flask shaped like a phone: hence why it's so thick |
07:09.45 | MaceN8x0 | im still a little disappointed in that nokiaworld thing |
07:10.00 | MaceN8x0 | with its 10 sec of n900 video |
07:10.33 | MaceN8x0 | nokia needs to drop that overpriced shitbook |
07:10.55 | johnx | eh, it'll drop itself if it doesn't sell: and if it does then more power to them |
07:10.59 | MaceN8x0 | 2x the $ for an aspire1 with a nokia logo on it? |
07:11.35 | MaceN8x0 | x86 too? they should be ashamed |
07:11.39 | johnx | what was the most grating was the last guy trying to sound "with it" while talking about social networking |
07:11.52 | MaceN8x0 | hahaha |
07:11.57 | adeus | pay 3x and soon you might get an apple logo on it :) |
07:12.14 | MaceN8x0 | adeus, agreed |
07:12.35 | MaceN8x0 | when he said "atom" i wanted to choke him out |
07:13.06 | MaceN8x0 | wish i was telekenitic and could cut off the blood to his brain |
07:13.17 | Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: hey, did you hear about Sun/Oracle's new SPARC phone? |
07:13.28 | MaceN8x0 | really? |
07:13.36 | Luke-Jr | no, just pulling your leg |
07:13.47 | MaceN8x0 | probably runs gnome :-P |
07:14.03 | MaceN8x0 | i hate gnome |
07:14.36 | kirma | hmmh |
07:14.45 | MaceN8x0 | spark in a phone hehe |
07:15.07 | kirma | n900 is small... too small, when I'm used to e90 |
07:15.11 | kirma | just tried |
07:15.12 | MaceN8x0 | is it a suitcase phone with nothing but a car battery in the case |
07:15.29 | MaceN8x0 | not the same size as an n810? |
07:15.44 | johnx | didn't they make sparc "laptop" at some point |
07:15.50 | johnx | I think there was an alpha laptop too |
07:16.26 | MaceN8x0 | dunno |
07:16.31 | MaceN8x0 | sounds neat tho |
07:16.34 | Luke-Jr | there's a Loongson laptop |
07:16.40 | Luke-Jr | and a Cell laptop |
07:16.47 | MaceN8x0 | then again so did the dragon laptop |
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07:17.04 | MaceN8x0 | Luke-Jr, yeah, heard the loongsoon sucked |
07:17.20 | MaceN8x0 | was slow as shit |
07:17.25 | MaceN8x0 | and hot |
07:17.29 | MaceN8x0 | real real hot |
07:17.30 | Luke-Jr | MaceN8x0: dragons are big, wtf do you expect? |
07:17.47 | Luke-Jr | if they weren't big, they'd merely be lizards |
07:17.49 | johnx | does not want a dragon anywhere near his lap |
07:18.02 | johnx | they seem awfully bitey |
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07:18.20 | Stskeeps | doesn't want x86 heat either. |
07:18.37 | MaceN8x0 | johnx, then dont get a loongsoon |
07:18.57 | MaceN8x0 | they captured the dragonfire and shoved it into a laptop |
07:19.13 | MaceN8x0 | Stskeeps, i agree |
07:19.22 | Luke-Jr | how about a CRIS laptop? |
07:19.22 | MaceN8x0 | my aspire1 gets real hot |
07:19.47 | MaceN8x0 | the loongsoon looked promising |
07:19.52 | MaceN8x0 | too bad it sucks |
07:20.38 | kirma | http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg ... the nordic keyboard layout |
07:21.27 | X-Fade | kirma: Nice arrow keys :( |
07:21.35 | Luke-Jr | seriously, though, I wonder how a CRIS handheld would be |
07:22.08 | kirma | welll... |
07:22.29 | X-Fade | kirma: You guys should just type plain ascii ;) |
07:23.10 | johnx | wow...those arrow keys are like what would happen if you tried to squish an Apple ][ keyboard |
07:24.04 | kirma | I might question the wide need for up/down though |
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07:24.55 | X-Fade | kirma: Gaming and scrolling. |
07:25.03 | X-Fade | kirma: And usefull in xterm ;) |
07:25.17 | kirma | very mainstream :I |
07:26.00 | kirma | scrolling is mainly finger thing... and might also be orientation thing, largelwy so on games anyway |
07:27.01 | X-Fade | kirma: accelerators can help with that a bit. |
07:27.06 | adeus | for a game I would just map the surrounding keys accordingly |
07:27.28 | X-Fade | adeus: True, you don't look at the keys anyway. |
07:28.30 | adeus | if you do, you probably suck at the game anyway :) |
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07:30.16 | johnx | though wasd lines up beautifully and is well known |
07:30.24 | johnx | or w a d x |
07:30.59 | adeus | Iv'e never used wsad for fps games |
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07:31.27 | adeus | I always map them around j |
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07:31.33 | X-Fade | adeus: Well I did, right hand for mouse. |
07:31.44 | qole | what ho! What news upon the Rialto? |
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07:34.33 | qole | Crickets: chirp, chirp |
07:35.03 | qole | Day 2 of Nokia World and nothing to report? |
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07:36.57 | X-Fade | N810 with 3D display? :) |
07:37.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: tactile, with individually inflatable pixels. |
07:38.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, this one is real. |
07:38.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: actual image reproduction optional. |
07:38.31 | X-Fade | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/nokias-3d-n810-internet-tablet-caught-on-blurrycam/ |
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07:39.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: I seem to remember this one making rounds before |
07:40.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: If it is the display that uses "ridges" to split image into left/right eyes, I would not get excited too much |
07:41.08 | Myrtti | dumdidumdidum |
07:41.22 | RST38h | moos at Myrtti |
07:43.47 | X-Fade | qole: I guess the comments issue you reported was because of cache. |
07:46.07 | Whiz | kirma, that finnish keyboard is f**ng ugly. I think I'm going for the international version because of that.. |
07:47.13 | Myrtti | what Finnish keyboard, where |
07:47.23 | Myrtti | checks |
07:47.33 | Myrtti | WOHEY! |
07:47.40 | Myrtti | it comes with a Finnish keyboard \o/ |
07:47.59 | X-Fade | Myrtti: Well, scandinavian.. ;) |
07:48.00 | fragment | Whiz: o7 |
07:48.04 | Whiz | Myrtti, "whee we got äöå but we lost arrow keys" |
07:48.09 | Whiz | fragment, yello.. |
07:48.25 | Myrtti | Whiz: hm |
07:49.02 | Whiz | Myrtti, well compare the bottom right corner of the keyboard on http://maemo.nokia.com/images/uploads/device1.jpg and http://www.cs.hut.fi/~kirma/n900-nordic.jpg :) |
07:49.16 | Whiz | no dpad + f**d up arrow keys :D |
07:49.28 | Myrtti | Whiz: as I said, hm. |
07:49.56 | Whiz | :D ah ok.. misinterpred it as "hmm, dont understand" |
07:50.01 | Captain_Picard | Whiz: =)) |
07:50.06 | Captain_Picard | Whiz: you were in helsinki? |
07:50.13 | Whiz | Captain_Picard, yep |
07:50.15 | aquatix | Myrtti: like nordic people need arrows ;) |
07:51.26 | Captain_Picard | i wanted arrows ;( |
07:51.30 | Captain_Picard | how can i play !!?! |
07:51.33 | Captain_Picard | without arrow keys |
07:51.39 | RST38h | will offer US n900, once they appear, to finns, with a slight markup =) |
07:51.39 | aquatix | hm |
07:51.46 | Whiz | and why they kept left<>right arrows and not up<>down |
07:51.48 | aquatix | Captain_Picard: tilt sensors? ;) |
07:52.07 | RST38h | Whiz: They felt nostalgic about Sony Ericcsson UIQ devices? |
07:52.08 | johnx | Whiz, look at the "fn+" for the arrow keys, left and right are there :) |
07:52.23 | aquatix | RST38h: at least those had a scroll wheel |
07:52.27 | johnx | RST38h, nah, nostalgic for the Apple ][ handheld that never happened |
07:52.30 | RST38h | not all of them |
07:52.31 | qole | X-Fade, shortly after I reported it, everything was fine. I assumed you had fixed itl. |
07:52.36 | Captain_Picard | rofl |
07:52.39 | Captain_Picard | FN keys arrows |
07:52.43 | Captain_Picard | that sucks |
07:52.49 | RST38h | johnx: Not valid unless they include 6502. |
07:53.02 | X-Fade | qole: No, that was probably the cache. I was asleep then ;) |
07:53.03 | Whiz | I've been really found of other tablet versions because it's been so easy to browse a website with just Dpad and no need for touchscreen |
07:53.17 | johnx | RST38h, you'll settle for emulated I expect? |
07:53.40 | johnx | Whiz, and yet they make the d-pad worse in every revision |
07:53.48 | RST38h | johnx: Of course not, they are hardware guys, they are supposed to include a real 6502, even as a decoration =) |
07:53.53 | johnx | they had to keep it up with the N900 |
07:54.14 | Captain_Picard | how am i suppoused to play without dpad or good arrows .( |
07:54.20 | Captain_Picard | tilt sensor is not an option |
07:54.26 | johnx | RST38h, heh, yeah, I suppose that's the least they could do to apologize for their hatred of directional buttons |
07:54.32 | johnx | Captain_Picard, w a s d |
07:54.39 | johnx | or: key bindings |
07:54.46 | Captain_Picard | johnx: thats strafing :p |
07:54.51 | Captain_Picard | a d |
07:54.57 | till- | i don't understand why they didn't put the umlauts on fn |
07:54.58 | johnx | this is less of a problem in reality then people are actually making it out to be |
07:55.07 | Captain_Picard | is it possible to use a bluetooth mouse |
07:55.10 | Captain_Picard | with the n900? |
07:55.12 | till- | as they are not used very often |
07:55.15 | RST38h | johnx,Whiz,Captain,aquatix: Want the dpad? Go here and flashmob this proposal: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/add_directional_buttons_to_the_back_of_device/ |
07:55.27 | RST38h | Make Quim know. |
07:55.45 | X-Fade | RST38h: Quim doesn't have anything to do with hardware. |
07:56.02 | X-Fade | RST38h: Check his sig.. |
07:56.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, then this has to be elevated all the way to whoever has sway on hardware design |
07:56.16 | johnx | RST38h, AFAICT maemo software got handed this design from "maemo" hardware and were told: "here. run with it." |
07:56.43 | RST38h | johnx: Then this has to be elevated to the right person |
07:56.53 | johnx | and I think you know as well as anyone that it's a little late for a hardware change |
07:56.56 | johnx | this hardware was pretty close to final circa june or so if not a lot earlier |
07:56.59 | RST38h | johnx: Jaaksi or whoever is responsible for crippling the buttons |
07:57.01 | aquatix | RST38h: hm, the back? |
07:57.22 | RST38h | aquatix: Well, the front is taken by the screen, placing them at the keyboard is goign to be cumbersome |
07:57.37 | RST38h | aquatix: The back looks like the only comfortable place for them |
07:57.44 | Mek | just create a custom battery cover that has those buttons? :) |
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07:58.01 | aquatix | RST38h: it's just a new-ish concept for me |
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07:58.46 | kirma | I still think that reduction of buttons is really partly a method to make software developers think of the user experience and interfaces from average phone user perspective, instead of making it too easy to transfer "linux habits" to the platform and alienate majority of mass market from it |
07:58.53 | johnx | can't imagine a non wrist-destroying way to put those buttons on the back |
07:59.03 | kirma | communicator keyboard would be more troubling than good in that perspective |
07:59.18 | kirma | although certainly that's not the only/primary reason for the keyboard... |
07:59.50 | kirma | phone software that relies on up/down keys on phone that has touchscreen and orientation sensor is plainly bad usability |
08:00.06 | RST38h | kirma: Method, shmethod, the result is the gaming use case becoming roadkill |
08:00.29 | RST38h | johnx: Imagine holding tablet like you would hold a digital camera |
08:00.40 | RST38h | johnx: Where your right hand fingers would be? |
08:00.43 | X-Fade | It is a big debate if you want to support legacy games or now. You see it with PS3 too, they stopped supporting PS2 games. |
08:00.55 | X-Fade | Some people hate that, other people don't care. |
08:00.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: We are not talking legacy games |
08:01.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: We are talking ANY game, past, present or future, requiring precise directional control |
08:01.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well new games can be designed around certain features, old games can't. |
08:01.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: This covers whole game genres, like platform games |
08:01.39 | X-Fade | It is an option at least. |
08:01.43 | RST38h | X-Fade: No they can't |
08:02.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: If you provided some OTHER method for precise control, they the new games could be designed to use it |
08:02.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: But there is no any other method. Accelerator based control cannot be made precise. touchscreen based control does not provide tactile feedback to the user and obscures the image |
08:03.00 | qole | The arrow keys on the N900 are better than the D-Pad on the N800 |
08:03.16 | RST38h | qole: Except you do not get all 4 on every keyboard :) |
08:03.31 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well you have quite some keys on the keyboard left, so not a problem yet ;) |
08:03.50 | johnx | gotta go with X-Fade on this one |
08:03.52 | qole | RST38h, Well, then you all got to get the keyboard that has all four. |
08:04.03 | RST38h | X-Fade: See, rather than go into all these deeply conceptual philosophical discussions about new paradigms of gaming, why not just provide a freaking dpad? :) |
08:04.12 | johnx | I counted at least 24 or so keys on the keyboard |
08:04.24 | qole | RST38h, DPads are so 1998 |
08:04.27 | RST38h | qole: Yea, let us buy them in US and resell them to these poor Finns ;) |
08:04.59 | RST38h | qole: Your toilet bowl is so XIX century...But you still hmmm use it, don't you? |
08:05.20 | johnx | RST38h, you've just opened up a dangerous topic :) |
08:05.34 | aquatix | RST38h: otoh, directional buttons on the backside can't be pressed by the thumbs, which are the usual digits used for this |
08:05.55 | RST38h | johnx: well, I did not mention vim this time =) |
08:05.58 | aquatix | not sure whether that matters, might even help against straining thumbs too much :) |
08:05.58 | qole | RST38h, I sh*t in a hole when I'm backpacking in the mountains |
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08:06.17 | johnx | RST38h, heh, guess that's why I'm not cranky: I have my vim arrow keys |
08:06.18 | X-Fade | qole: too much information.. |
08:06.30 | johnx | maybe this is the break vim needs to get really popular among tablet users :> |
08:06.36 | qole | I wasn't the one who introduced the toilet to the conversation |
08:06.50 | X-Fade | qole: But you one-upped it ;) |
08:06.53 | RST38h | qole: I do not want to shit in the hole for my whole life, just because some eggheaded suit said that the toilets are so 1998 |
08:07.19 | RST38h | mentioned vim now. RUn FOR THE HILLS! |
08:07.29 | qole | Oh sorry, this was a metaphor. For what again? |
08:07.33 | johnx | and seriously I can't figure out how to hold my hands to make it comfortable to press something d-pad shaped with my fingers on what would be the backside of a tablet |
08:07.43 | Myrtti | EMAACCSSS |
08:07.51 | johnx | have you tried prototyping it with some raised bumps or something? |
08:08.01 | qole | Get hold of an N900. Try the arrow keys. You'll be fine. |
08:08.20 | qole | Get hold of an N900. Try the arrow keys. You'll be fine. |
08:08.20 | RST38h | johnx: Not yet, frankly I do not believe this activity will produce any result from nokia |
08:08.32 | qole | Whoa. Double post. |
08:08.51 | RST38h | qole: Go to t.m.o, read people from non-American countries bitching about arrow keys missing. |
08:09.05 | qole | I'm not from the US either |
08:09.06 | johnx | RST38h, yeah, also: I did try out the way to hold my hands for that: that's gonna be some serious wrist damage after ~30 minutes I think |
08:09.09 | Stskeeps | just remap them in your game. end of story. |
08:09.15 | RST38h | qole: Canada applies. |
08:09.22 | qole | I used a device from Finland ;-) |
08:09.30 | RST38h | qole: And it had all four arrows? |
08:09.41 | qole | Absoshmutely |
08:09.50 | RST38h | qole: Not the final device then |
08:09.56 | qole | Bottom right hand corner |
08:10.17 | jaska | well, one can always remap so massive whining is unnecessary |
08:10.22 | qole | You've seen the final device??! |
08:10.29 | RST38h | qole: A moment |
08:10.39 | johnx | qole, scroll up to the link :) |
08:10.40 | RST38h | qole <-- been out of the loop apparently |
08:11.07 | qole | The less-than-final device that I saw had all the arrow keys |
08:11.12 | Mek | the spanish version I played with some months ago had the only two buttons for arrows, the english prototypes I've played with did had the 4 buttons... |
08:11.16 | qole | Why would they take the arrow keys away |
08:11.29 | jaska | to allow for silly accented chars/umlauts |
08:11.30 | RST38h | qole: Because they apparently hate the arrow keys |
08:11.47 | X-Fade | qole: You saw an international device, those have the arrow keys. |
08:11.55 | RST38h | qole: As you initially said "dpad is so 1998" |
08:12.03 | qole | RST38h, damn you, this is your fault. |
08:12.04 | Stskeeps | remap.. we have XKB for a reason |
08:12.11 | johnx | qole, I blame him too |
08:12.14 | RST38h | qole: Yea, I am evil |
08:12.29 | RST38h | swallows a lab mouse alive |
08:12.32 | johnx | RST38h, gimme back my arrows ya darn Ruskie! |
08:12.39 | qole | RST38h, everything was fine until you came along and took away our arrow keys |
08:12.44 | jaska | and return karelia while youre at it! |
08:12.51 | RST38h | johnx: Blame the finns, I have not seen the cyrillic keyboard yet |
08:13.01 | qole | RST38h, and tell us where Elvis is hiding |
08:13.29 | johnx | brainstorm: go to RST38h's house and get our arrow keys back! |
08:13.34 | RST38h | jaska: Only if you promise to get rid of the mosquitoes |
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08:13.48 | Khertan | Hello everybody ! |
08:14.03 | jaska | could always move the mosquitoes into lappland... plenty there |
08:14.09 | qole | Khertan, have you seen the missing arrow keys? |
08:14.26 | RST38h | jaska: Mosquitoes magically disappear once the train crosses the border into .fi |
08:14.30 | Khertan | the missing arrow keys ? |
08:14.30 | Khertan | gnié ? |
08:14.34 | jaska | strange |
08:14.42 | RST38h | jaska: The nature of this phenomenon is unknown |
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08:15.23 | qole | Khertan, we think RS38h has absconded with arrow keys from the final N900 device. |
08:15.27 | jaska | perhaps the cell tower density is higher on this side, or the blood of finns tastes like shit |
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08:16.54 | suihkulokki | RST38h: you should try travelling the northern parts of .fi if you think we are mosquito-free :P |
08:16.59 | qole | All About Symbian tweets, "Winner Apps on Map in Mobile Innovators was Primordial Ground Guidance. Navigating when no roads. Intelligent routing." |
08:17.00 | johnx | qole, he's been embezzling them a little at a time |
08:17.10 | johnx | that's why there's only two on some devices |
08:17.16 | RST38h | suihkulokki: Oh I am sure you have got some |
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08:20.53 | Captain_Picard | there are plenty victims on the russian side for the mosquitoes |
08:21.02 | RST38h | not in karelia |
08:21.05 | Captain_Picard | we use OFF :P |
08:21.12 | qole | Well, if there's nothing exciting Maemo-related at Nokia World 2009 so far, I'm going to bed and I'll find out what's up tomorrow morning. |
08:21.13 | Captain_Picard | and RAID |
08:21.33 | suihkulokki | RST38h: it's not just some.. there are gazzillions.. try karhunkierros trail for the fun :) |
08:21.50 | qole | I keep thinking there'll be another shoe to drop at Nokia World and I don't want to be sleeping when it happens |
08:22.35 | suihkulokki | back to the lost arrow keys and the d-pads |
08:22.59 | RST38h | suihkulokki: I grew up in Ural, so I know what you mean =) |
08:23.17 | suihkulokki | while I hate loosing them, honestly the n800/n810 d-pad were too crappy to be used for any serious gaming |
08:23.31 | RST38h | true |
08:23.36 | RST38h | n97 too btw |
08:24.04 | kirma | I really wonder how I get used to size of N900. and the thing is that it's *too small* :) |
08:24.25 | kirma | I wonder what kind of hands those size/thickness appl... fanatics have |
08:24.46 | RST38h | kirma: they use tongue |
08:25.04 | Corsac | kirma: yeah, I wonder if it wont be too small and too thick |
08:25.12 | RST38h | apple ones definitely use tongue |
08:25.13 | Corsac | but it really *need* to come out soon |
08:25.26 | Corsac | because I dreamed I had an n900 this night |
08:25.27 | qole | suihkulokki: Yes! The NIT's D-Pads were useless. |
08:25.29 | kirma | E70 and E90 have been great fit for my hands, but at flagship store I felt all the time that if I try to hold N900 in a way that I can achieve things nicely, it's going to slip to the floor between my fingers :) |
08:25.30 | Corsac | ⦠|
08:25.51 | johnx | qole, not only that but got worse in every iteration |
08:25.54 | RST38h | kirma: same with n810 really |
08:25.55 | johnx | that's what makes me insane |
08:26.14 | qole | My friend told me that the N900's screen is so beautiful that he wanted to lick it. A few beers later, he did. :-P |
08:26.25 | X-Fade | kirma: drill a hole in the casing and attach to lanyard? :) |
08:26.52 | suihkulokki | we should put some tiny amounts of lsd on the touchscreen |
08:26.56 | kirma | well. I don't have gigantic hands, but certainly at almost two meters tall, not very delicate oriental or southern european pygmy hands either. N810 felt quite ok to me... ;> |
08:26.58 | jaska | lol |
08:27.29 | kirma | qole: and then the touchscreen functionality died? ;) |
08:27.42 | kirma | did he also try if it fits to a pint? |
08:28.08 | kirma | it has occured several times that friends have demonstrated phones... "but look, it's still too big to fit into a pint!" |
08:28.13 | kirma | *blup* |
08:28.22 | qole | The N900's screen makes the iPhone's screen look like a GameBoy. Seriously. http://maemo.org/community/council/the_n900_from_a_community_perspective/ |
08:28.22 | suihkulokki | now that we have so many finns here, let me remind you all to come to free thursday on next week ;) |
08:28.39 | kirma | suihkulokki: hmm hmm? |
08:28.50 | RST38h | qole: Same can be said about n810 screen really |
08:29.12 | qole | Imagine the N810's screen compressed to the size of an iPhone screen. |
08:29.30 | qole | SPECTACULAR DPI |
08:29.30 | RST38h | qole: I would rather keep it the original size though :) |
08:29.38 | kirma | open source gathering thing that was once in angleterre? only thing I associate now... |
08:29.48 | RST38h | Not much use for this dpi, when reading :( |
08:29.48 | suihkulokki | kirma: http://free-thursday.pieni.net/ |
08:29.55 | qole | RST38h, since it is the same resolution, just hold it closer to your face |
08:30.02 | RST38h | hmmm |
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08:30.25 | RST38h | true, although that would be too close =( |
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08:30.49 | kirma | suihkulokki: hmmmmmm. |
08:30.53 | Stskeeps | you want to be able to lick the lsd off your n900 anyway |
08:31.08 | kirma | I thought "free" was literally... "free beer" of course :) |
08:31.23 | suihkulokki | no free beer.. just free speech =) |
08:32.04 | qole | Well, I'm finished my beer for the night, and since there's nothing new Maemo related, I'm going to bed. |
08:32.10 | Khertan | someone receive mail about summit sponsorship ? |
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08:32.36 | Stskeeps | Khertan: not yet |
08:33.47 | qole | Khertan, I hope you receive more mails than that. |
08:34.05 | qole | Good night all |
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08:35.05 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_summit_2009-sponsorship_window_ends_september_9th/ |
08:35.31 | Khertan | Many of the requests have already been processed and some of you will already have received emails indicating your sponsorship status. |
08:35.44 | Captain_Picard | One humourous note; opening and closing apps is accompanied by such human-sounding âwhshhhtâ and âfshhhhtâ sounds that people look at you, wondering why you're making those funny noises with your mouth. |
08:38.09 | Khertan | this is why i ask |
08:38.35 | Khertan | [10:33] <qole> Khertan, I hope you receive more mails than that. <<< yeah many for blue pills ... |
08:39.26 | Corsac | what about red pills? |
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08:41.42 | Stskeeps | Khertan: yeah that one wonders me a bit too |
08:43.13 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Afaik, only rejections have been sent out. |
08:43.22 | Proteous | why why why does the LG Chocolate display all the text in comic sans |
08:43.24 | Proteous | like wtf |
08:43.25 | Proteous | lol |
08:44.38 | jaska | comic sans? design by satan(tm) |
08:44.47 | Proteous | that typeface needs to die |
08:44.54 | Proteous | preferable a slow painfull death |
08:45.26 | RST38h | likes Comic |
08:45.38 | RST38h | Comic is perfect for application names in About boxes |
08:45.38 | Proteous | beats RST38h senseless |
08:46.05 | Proteous | it really only has one application, text bubbles in a comic |
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08:46.11 | RST38h | changes Proteous' window titles to Comic |
08:46.18 | Proteous | dies a little |
08:46.26 | X-Fade | Comic ranks up there with Wordart. |
08:46.32 | RST38h | Proteous: Ironically, no. Comic is too large for text bubbles |
08:46.34 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah |
08:46.52 | RST38h | Proteous: And when you shrink it to necessary size, the letters look squished |
08:47.06 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I see now 'accepted' fields set in the db yet at least. |
08:47.11 | Proteous | it really is amazing isn't it |
08:47.12 | RST38h | (in other words, it needs more pixels than a normal font would) |
08:47.28 | Khertan | hum ... keyboard and screen doesn't unlock anymore when opening keyboard |
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08:49.35 | Stskeeps | wb lardman_ |
08:49.57 | lardman|home | hi Stskeeps |
08:50.16 | lardman|home | anything exciting going on? |
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08:51.35 | lardman|home | derf: ping |
08:51.42 | derf | lardman|home: Pong. |
08:52.04 | RST38h | heya lardman, derf, zap |
08:52.22 | lardman|home | hi RST38h |
08:52.32 | lardman|home | derf: is your QR code in zbar working? |
08:52.44 | lardman|home | derf: it's not in the 0.9 release of a few days ago |
08:52.50 | derf | Yes, though I think it's still on a branch. |
08:54.07 | lardman|home | ok, I'll try grabbing the svn and building from that |
08:54.22 | derf | hg clone http://zbar.hg.sourceforge.net:8000/hgroot/zbar zbar-qr |
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08:54.34 | derf | cd zbar-qr |
08:54.43 | derf | hg update qr |
08:54.46 | lardman|home | ok cool, what did you base it on? |
08:54.56 | lardman|home | i.e. which version of zbar |
08:55.18 | derf | Whatever was current back in early July. |
08:55.30 | lardman|home | ok, 0.8 iirc |
08:55.45 | Khertan | someone know where i can found internal picture of the n810 ? |
08:55.52 | derf | And spadix is the one really doing all the work. |
08:56.06 | lardman|home | spadix is Rob? |
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08:56.51 | derf | Jeff Brown I think? |
08:57.09 | lardman|home | ah, that might be the one - just from looking at the site yesterday |
08:57.11 | lardman|home | ok cheers |
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08:57.43 | derf | I saw you playing with pyGTK last night and hoped that's what you were working on. |
08:57.57 | Stskeeps | Khertan: google n810 schematics i think |
08:58.06 | lardman|home | yep, I have the code pretty much working under python now |
08:58.12 | lardman|home | at least the gui is now up |
08:58.37 | lardman|home | have to trim the string containing the image data to get rid of the UV planes, and then see if zbar will accept it |
08:59.25 | Khertan | thx Stskeeps |
09:00.09 | lardman|home | derf: also want to add in datamatrix decoding, as we see those quite often over here |
09:01.17 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Do you also estimate the angle and try to compensate for that? |
09:01.29 | lardman|home | no, I've left the decoding to the library |
09:01.37 | derf | Yeah, we talked about that a bit, but it's just talk at this point. |
09:01.39 | lardman|home | but the libs have to do that yes |
09:01.47 | lardman|home | oh, skew you mean then? |
09:02.00 | lardman|home | not normal to the surface, that sort of thing? |
09:02.23 | X-Fade | lardman|home: no, camera not at 90 degrees. |
09:02.31 | lardman|home | yeah, not normal |
09:02.38 | X-Fade | Ehm, not parallel ;) |
09:03.00 | derf | X-Fade: For the QR codes, yes, I do. |
09:03.05 | lardman|home | interesting, but unfortunately I need a working app to catalog my books (otherwise I'd gladly fiddle with algorithmic code rather than damned GUIs! ;)) |
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09:03.10 | X-Fade | derf: Nice. |
09:03.24 | derf | In fixed-point, no less. |
09:03.45 | derf | It's actually what most of the code is for. Doing the decoding itself is easy. |
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09:04.08 | lardman|home | I just noticed that zbar is fixed point, so removed the vfp build stuff I'd troubled myself to add in |
09:06.24 | derf | Yeah, I picked it because he'd written the software exactly like I would've written it if I had the time. |
09:07.57 | lardman|home | Right, zbar 0.9 is now available + MUD script |
09:08.09 | lardman|home | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp |
09:08.17 | lardman|home | will pull the svn code and try building that now |
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09:09.40 | Khertan | hum ... no i understand what is this things ... |
09:10.00 | Khertan | the small contactor when opening keyboard is no more connected ... :( |
09:11.15 | timeless_mbp | johnx: not from maemo hardware |
09:11.24 | timeless_mbp | the hardware came from a group outside of maemo |
09:11.28 | lardman|home | derf: which package is hg in? Mercurial? |
09:11.38 | timeless_mbp | at some future time maemo devices will actually have hardware design |
09:11.49 | timeless_mbp | but sadly, that's still some time off |
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09:12.03 | derf | lardman|home: It is Mercurial, yes. I have no idea what package that corresponds to on whatever distro you're using. |
09:12.12 | lardman|home | ubuntu so the same |
09:12.30 | timeless_mbp | till-: as for making the umlauts available from fn |
09:12.46 | timeless_mbp | i met a Finn for lunch earlier this week |
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09:12.53 | Captain_Picard | I WANT ARROW KEYS |
09:13.04 | timeless_mbp | his first question after using my en key layout was "where are the :a, :o, and 0a keys" |
09:13.12 | timeless_mbp | Captain_Picard: so use the en keyboard layout |
09:13.26 | timeless_mbp | (and buy / demand that your seller give you the en keymap) |
09:13.29 | julianoliver | timeless_mbp: hehe. they have an amazing alphabet. |
09:13.29 | till- | yeah because thats missing |
09:13.39 | julianoliver | language is almost phonetic also |
09:13.44 | till- | *they're |
09:13.56 | timeless_mbp | till-: i suggested he turn on secondary dictionary language (suomi) |
09:14.05 | timeless_mbp | and try using just the en keymap |
09:14.12 | till- | but at least in german i think the arrows are more important than umlauts |
09:14.23 | timeless_mbp | after the first fn thing to pull up an :a he started getting vaguely reasonable results |
09:14.29 | timeless_mbp | and i'm pretty sure he'll survive |
09:14.45 | timeless_mbp | till-: so the germans can do the same: use the en keymap |
09:14.50 | till- | to be honest i hardly ever use the dpad on my n800 |
09:14.59 | timeless_mbp | and again, they can demand that their reseller provide the en keymap |
09:15.00 | till- | maybe for games |
09:15.15 | ShadowJK | "normal" people would be "outraged" over missing letters, but the geeks probably care less and cry over missing pipe |
09:15.18 | timeless_mbp | feedback from sales to whatever that people in target countries don't actually like the standard format |
09:15.35 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: pipe's actually fairly reachable using Sym |
09:15.49 | timeless_mbp | feedback ... can result in changes to design planning |
09:16.02 | till- | i think i may use xmodmap and some stickers :) |
09:16.15 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that the ui designers were told "you must prioritize all the stupid letters for these stupid language/regions" |
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09:16.36 | ShadowJK | it became reachable for me on n810 after adding it to xterm buttonbar |
09:16.41 | timeless_mbp | but if they have numbers from sales to show that the customers don't actually want this |
09:16.53 | ShadowJK | but I'd like all the xterm buttonbar buttons offscreen :) |
09:16.54 | timeless_mbp | then the next time around, the ui team can say "no, they really don't want that" |
09:17.02 | till- | maybe nokia should use these oled-keyboard |
09:17.08 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: that's open source, *please* patch it |
09:17.19 | timeless_mbp | till-: do you want to pay an extra 50-100 EUR more? |
09:17.40 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp: by offscreen I meant moved to hw ;) |
09:17.43 | till- | does not seem so much on top of 600 euro |
09:18.31 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: again, the en layout has 4 arrow keys |
09:18.45 | till- | http://www.ubergizmo.com/photos/2007/12/optimus_keyboard.jpg .. grayscale would be sufficient |
09:18.55 | timeless_mbp | till-: i know |
09:19.01 | ShadowJK | unfortunately most people can't actually figure out how to contact nokia, and even then, it'd be in the form of "software Y doesn't work because I need to press ^ but it's not on keyboard" |
09:19.02 | timeless_mbp | i'm just saying that it'll add cost |
09:19.08 | timeless_mbp | and people already complain about cost |
09:19.14 | timeless_mbp | personally, i'd like it too |
09:19.19 | timeless_mbp | and think it's the only sane choice |
09:19.21 | timeless_mbp | however, it is cost |
09:19.37 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: |
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09:19.45 | timeless_mbp | 1. nokia flagship stores (in select markets) |
09:19.54 | ShadowJK | was playing game on his n810 the other day and it had bound ^ as a shortcut, which doesn't exist on scandinavian version :) |
09:19.57 | timeless_mbp | 2. nokia care (the number isn't that hard to find per country) |
09:20.07 | timeless_mbp | 3. whichever physical store sells the product |
09:20.22 | timeless_mbp | if you go to the local hardware store and tell them you want the english version |
09:20.34 | timeless_mbp | and then have your friends visit day after day w/ the same request |
09:20.47 | ShadowJK | /I/ could probably find the nokia care number... heck, I managed to find a real person at Siemens once |
09:20.50 | timeless_mbp | they'll send feedback to nokia complaining that the model they have isn't selling |
09:20.56 | timeless_mbp | with an explanation for why |
09:20.59 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: wow |
09:21.16 | timeless_mbp | but really |
09:21.19 | ShadowJK | as for physical stores... they just get whatever they can get... |
09:21.22 | timeless_mbp | if we *only* offered the en map |
09:21.34 | timeless_mbp | we'd get more complaints in reverse |
09:21.37 | till- | we have a store for used notebooks here, they sell en keyboard layout with german labels glued on |
09:21.44 | timeless_mbp | just as the first thing my finnish friend said was "where are :a, :o, 0a) |
09:21.49 | ShadowJK | Like, they were selling subsidized phones for DNA, but they couldn't actually get any locked verisons, so they just sold me unlocked verstion instead, for same price.. lol |
09:22.00 | ShadowJK | timeless, yes, that's for sure |
09:22.21 | timeless_mbp | the people here chose the best from a bad set of choices |
09:22.38 | timeless_mbp | and the software lets you pick a(n imo) more reasonable choice |
09:22.54 | timeless_mbp | we haven't locked the keymap, heck, you can change it repeatedly on the fly, no reboot required |
09:22.56 | adeus | ä and ö are common in finland |
09:22.58 | timeless_mbp | (unlike UI language) |
09:23.04 | adeus | so people would definitely complain |
09:23.13 | timeless_mbp | adeus: finnish speakers are stupid, yes :) |
09:23.20 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
09:23.52 | timeless_mbp | actually, the russian keymap behavior is cute |
09:24.09 | timeless_mbp | since you can iiuc swap between it and the en one w/ a single stroke |
09:24.23 | ShadowJK | on my N800 I use En layout most of the time because the non-letter chars are more accessible than in Sv layout.. whenever I need åäö I just tap the language and switch temporarily |
09:25.01 | adeus | then again if you only write in finnish c,w,å,q are useless as well |
09:25.16 | ShadowJK | x |
09:25.25 | jaska | z is mostly useless too |
09:25.26 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: while i hate it when people use the word "loose (slut)" when they mean "lose", you should know better. please be more careful |
09:25.42 | julianoliver | blinks |
09:27.10 | timeless_mbp | adeus: yeah |
09:27.24 | timeless_mbp | so why didn't they sacrifice w and q for :a and :o ? :) |
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09:28.00 | adeus | we write in multiple languages a lot |
09:28.01 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, googling nbd swap brings you to the nbd homepage... it specifically says client and server on same machine is a very bad idea.. and also that creating nbd loops is a bad idea (where machine A has a client accessing B, and a server serving B which accesses A) and will deadlock almost instantly :-) |
09:28.09 | adeus | like right now :P |
09:28.45 | oilinki | anyway the best solution for writing finnish is just ignore the dots. eg ä=a ö=o |
09:28.51 | ShadowJK | But on the other hand, sacrificing currency symbols to get consistent non-letter placement wrt english would be unnoticed by most |
09:29.24 | julianoliver | ShadowJK: agreed |
09:29.41 | adeus | like the £ |
09:29.49 | adeus | why oh why it is there in the nordic |
09:30.10 | julianoliver | yes this can all be moved to an input submenu or similar, as on mobile phones. |
09:30.19 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
09:30.29 | ShadowJK | adeus, no I mean I would rather have it there in nordic just so that all the specials are in the same place as in UK/US versions |
09:30.36 | ShadowJK | so that software compatibility is better :) |
09:30.40 | timeless_mbp | julianoliver: have people posted pictures of the on screen sym picker? |
09:30.52 | timeless_mbp | there's a row of deadkeys for umlauts and other diacritical marks |
09:30.54 | julianoliver | not that i'm aware.. |
09:30.58 | julianoliver | right |
09:31.19 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: are you willing to leak that? :) |
09:33.40 | Corsac | is there any picture with non us/uk keyboard? |
09:36.51 | adeus | from the nordic one yes |
09:36.55 | adeus | at least |
09:37.29 | timeless_mbp | someone had a picture showing the left right arrows |
09:37.36 | timeless_mbp | we commented on it yesterday iirc |
09:40.14 | lardman|home | derf: I get a configure error, have you seen similar? : "./configure: line 17118: syntax error near unexpected token `have_poll="no"'" |
09:40.29 | lardman|home | ah, probably that ` |
09:41.52 | derf | Hrm, no, haven't seen that. |
09:42.00 | lardman|home | hmm |
09:42.21 | derf | Did you autoreconf --install ? |
09:42.40 | lardman|home | yeah, but had to do it outside of scratchbox |
09:42.58 | derf | Oh, well good luck then. |
09:43.02 | lardman|home | lol |
09:43.27 | lardman|home | well I'll see if I can find the version string that stops the scratchbox version from working |
09:44.09 | derf | I had to upgrade several things to get it to work, even outside of sb. |
09:45.08 | lardman|home | right, edited configure.ac to make my autoreconf sort of work, but still fails with an error |
09:45.41 | derf | libtool to 2.2.6a and automake to 1.10.2, I think. |
09:45.50 | lardman|home | better though, gone past the error from last time |
09:46.13 | lardman|home | right, looks like we're in business, just can't find python :) |
09:46.43 | derf | Oh yeah, I had to disable Python, too. I guess that'd be a problem for you, though. |
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09:47.29 | lardman|home | now he tells me! :) |
09:47.48 | derf | Well, it was able to find it for me, mine was just too old. |
09:48.11 | lardman|home | can't find mine as it's too new |
09:48.11 | derf | And I never use Python, so I didn't even think about it. |
09:48.30 | lardman|home | I've just edited the configure file, but have no clue where that list of python binary names came from :( |
09:48.31 | derf | Haha. You need the Python that's Just Right. |
09:49.13 | lardman|home | yeah |
09:50.28 | RST38h | "Booklet(tm) comes at a Pricelet(tm)" (C)TheRegister |
09:52.03 | lardman|home | hmm, derf I've got it compiling somehow (I hate configure + auto-this-that-the-other), and it's your code that seems to have made it choke |
09:52.06 | lardman|home | this time |
09:52.17 | derf | Woohoo! |
09:52.23 | derf | That I might actually be able to fix. |
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09:52.42 | lardman|home | hmm, lots of warnings, but no error I can see |
09:52.55 | derf | And yes, everyone hates autofoo. |
09:53.32 | timeless_mbp | so, is anyone visiting their local nokia flagship store? :) |
09:53.56 | julianoliver | derf: it's the vast, ENV variable recursing and teetering Makefiles i don't like.. |
09:54.06 | lardman|home | derf: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m3bbba585 |
09:54.12 | lardman|home | I can't see the error though |
09:54.27 | derf | julianoliver: At least you have a _hope_ of figuring out what's going on in a hand-written Makefile. |
09:54.34 | julianoliver | indeed.. |
09:55.25 | derf | lardman|home: The error is -Werror |
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09:56.08 | lardman|home | ah, error if there's a warning |
09:56.27 | lardman|home | slightly optimistic build parameters :) |
09:56.37 | derf | Yeah, no kidding. |
09:57.20 | lardman|home | how can I override that |
09:57.30 | lardman|home | I can't face needing to reauto* |
09:57.41 | derf | Edit the Makefile by hand :) |
09:57.55 | lardman|home | oh God |
09:58.01 | lardman|home | what about setting -Wnone |
09:58.07 | lardman|home | does that exist? |
09:58.24 | adeus | or -Wall |
09:58.35 | lardman|home | -Wall is there, I don't want any warnings |
09:59.13 | adeus | remove that |
09:59.34 | lardman|home | cross fingers & toes |
09:59.51 | lardman|home | crap |
09:59.56 | derf | You really need -Wno-parentheses for my code to compile with -Werror |
10:00.09 | derf | I don't know how you got a build configuration without that. |
10:00.22 | lardman|home | I have that |
10:00.38 | lardman|home | hmm, random crapness |
10:00.41 | derf | Oh, so you do. |
10:00.48 | lardman|home | I removed the -Wall from rules, and now it's built past your code |
10:00.49 | derf | Then why is it still suggesting parentheses everywhere? |
10:00.50 | ShadowJK | timeless, local isn't so local, is it open weekends? :) |
10:00.56 | lardman|home | it isn't any more |
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10:01.02 | lardman|home | just failed somewhere else now |
10:01.05 | timeless_mbp | dunno :) |
10:01.08 | timeless_mbp | i think so |
10:01.29 | lardman|home | what's the don't warn about function prototypes flag? |
10:01.31 | timeless_mbp | otoh, i probably last visited a week ago tuesday or so |
10:02.07 | derf | -Wno-missing-prototype, I think. |
10:02.22 | lardman|home | ok thanks, does the order of the -W flags matter? |
10:02.28 | lardman|home | do I have to do that one after -Wall? |
10:02.47 | adeus | no |
10:03.11 | lardman|home | ok, will try again then |
10:03.33 | lardman|home | oh dear, that didn't go well |
10:03.43 | lardman|home | C compiler can't create executables now |
10:05.31 | ShadowJK | what's flagship store in finnish.. |
10:06.34 | derf | lardman|home: Ah, the option is supposed to have an s at the end. |
10:06.46 | timeless_mbp | help |
10:06.57 | timeless_mbp | i just got finnish spam to two prepaid cell phone numbers |
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10:07.05 | lardman|home | derf: does that tell it to warn on those things or to ignore them? |
10:07.15 | derf | lardman|home: To ignore them. |
10:07.24 | derf | But I mean, the default should be to ignore them. |
10:07.42 | lardman|home | yeah well I can't get rid of the -Wall -Werror, though I'm looking |
10:07.52 | derf | So I'm not sure why you're getting a warning, unless you're compiling in C++. |
10:07.56 | julianoliver | ShadowJK: it's an american concept i think.. no idea what it is in Finnish. Deutsche or Espanol perhaps. |
10:08.19 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, if you're unlucky you've unknowingly signed up to receive those messages and get charged for it :( |
10:08.47 | lardman|home | derf: no plain C |
10:09.03 | lardman|home | derf: have just edited Makefile.in, hopefully that will get rid of it |
10:09.10 | cyndis | flagship store in finnish = lippulaivamyymälä |
10:09.16 | lardman|home | yes, looks like Werror is gone now |
10:09.25 | lardman|home | finally, built |
10:09.26 | ShadowJK | cyndis, 0 results on nokia.fi :) |
10:09.29 | lardman|home | bloody thing! :) |
10:09.30 | ShadowJK | it doesn't work to translate literally |
10:09.44 | timeless_mbp | syyskuussa kannattaa ladata ihan sikana, sillä saat 50% enemmän puheaikaa liittymääsi. Esim. 20 eurolla saat 30 euro puheaikka. Siis Go! Nyt! Heti! -> www.go.fi |
10:09.50 | timeless_mbp | In September we suggest you download sikana just because you get 50% more talk time to join. Eg 20 euros, you get 30 euro your time. So Go! Now! Immediately! -> Www.go.fi |
10:09.56 | timeless_mbp | what's sikana? |
10:09.56 | cyndis | well, that term's used pretty often :p |
10:10.11 | cyndis | kind of "a lot" |
10:10.22 | adeus | exact translation "like a pig" |
10:10.23 | adeus | :) |
10:10.40 | julianoliver | Flagship Pig? |
10:10.49 | cyndis | apparently the flagship store is called "nokia flagship store" even in nokia.fi |
10:11.01 | timeless_mbp | heh |
10:11.09 | adeus | "lippulaiva" is the common term for that |
10:11.16 | timeless_mbp | btw, "flagship store" is not ime common in US English |
10:11.17 | adeus | but Finns relate that to Alko |
10:11.30 | lardman|home | argh, what is it with sftp these days, very very slow on both my desktop and N810 |
10:11.39 | timeless_mbp | and the way nokia uses it is imo mostly broken |
10:12.51 | inz | timeless, "download" is actually wrong translation in that context |
10:13.14 | timeless_mbp | inz: well, you're welcome to copy the finnish to google translate and suggest a better translation |
10:13.32 | timeless_mbp | i spent an hour or so earlier this week walking google translate through a nokia.fi survey |
10:13.38 | timeless_mbp | page at a time correcting it :) |
10:13.45 | timeless_mbp | man that survey sucks |
10:13.53 | timeless_mbp | s/sucks/sucked/ |
10:13.53 | inz | =) |
10:14.17 | kirma | "lippulaiva" in helsinki area really causes association to the city-center alcohol monopoly store featuring stuff like several thousand euro whiskeys etc... :] |
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10:15.02 | ShadowJK | I think I spent too much on my last visit to Alko. They packed the bags for me. That has never happened before to me in .fi :) |
10:15.02 | kirma | anyway, there's at least one phone there in aleksanterinkatu 44 or whatever. tried it right after ten o'clock... |
10:15.40 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: lol |
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10:15.58 | timeless_mbp | kirma: did you try messing it up? :) |
10:16.12 | ShadowJK | Is there a no taking photos of it rule? |
10:16.22 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
10:16.24 | timeless_mbp | a public store |
10:16.29 | kirma | I visit the place too little nowadays too, it used to be so that there was the "master of shop" coming to give personalised suggestions to me, offering chance for going to exclusive tasting evenings and even getting bottles from his home collection back to the catalog to be sold to me ;) |
10:16.30 | timeless_mbp | i should hope not |
10:16.35 | timeless_mbp | it would seem kinda stupid |
10:16.48 | julianoliver | ShadowJK: Helsinki has punished my pocket a couple of times but i managed to stay in Tampere for a week or so quite cheaply. |
10:16.54 | kirma | back then I spent like at least 5000 euros per year on champagne :o |
10:16.59 | julianoliver | kirma: same with System Bolaget in Sweden.. |
10:17.10 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
10:17.14 | timeless_mbp | finns and their liquor |
10:17.14 | ShadowJK | messing it up... how about adding the Diablo SDK repo and trying to install non-busybox userland, and forcing/answering yes whenever issues arose? :) |
10:17.28 | timeless_mbp | heh |
10:17.34 | timeless_mbp | that'd be pretty cruel |
10:17.35 | julianoliver | i was on a boat a few times en route to .fi while old drunkards danced around me fueled with tax free liquor. |
10:17.39 | julianoliver | messy to say the least. |
10:18.05 | ShadowJK | julianoliver, that's standard... |
10:18.19 | ShadowJK | That's the sole purpose of the existence of those boats even :/ |
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10:24.55 | mgedmin | with debhelper 7 debian/rules can be as little as three lines |
10:25.10 | derf | But God help you if you want to do something the slightest bit unusual. |
10:25.24 | lardman|home | yeah that's true |
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10:25.35 | lardman|home | I just copied and pasted and crossed everything |
10:25.42 | wazd | heya all |
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10:28.10 | lardman|home | looks what you've done wazd! |
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10:33.15 | mgedmin | please stop, I'm getting seasick |
10:33.48 | timeless_mbp | lbt: got some time? |
10:33.51 | timeless_mbp | i'm almost done |
10:33.56 | timeless_mbp | but i could probably use some support :) |
10:34.29 | lbt | ok |
10:34.44 | wazd | lol, berst MagSafe ad ever :D |
10:34.48 | wazd | best* |
10:35.03 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/03/video-crooks-clean-out-new-jersey-apple-store-in-31-impressive/ |
10:36.28 | inz | wazd, "don't try to replicates this [...] without wearing a head-mounted camcordeer" xD |
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10:36.45 | lbt | timeless_mbp: what on? |
10:37.00 | timeless_mbp | the usual ;-) |
10:37.04 | lardman|home | cheers for the help chaps, bbl |
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10:38.55 | vigneswari | Stskeeps, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2009-01-13.log.html |
10:39.13 | vigneswari | Stskeeps, in this ohnx: nm-applet[3465]: GLIB WARNING ** default - Icon nm-device-wwan missing: Icon 'nm.. not present in theme |
10:39.37 | vigneswari | how did you solve the problem Stskeeps |
10:39.53 | vigneswari | Stskeeps, I am also facing same typr of issue |
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10:41.01 | timeless_mbp | vigneswari: the obvious thing would be to add files to the proper image directories ;-) |
10:41.53 | vigneswari | timeless_mbp, how to find the right directory..where it will be written |
10:42.24 | timeless_mbp | i just look for all directories that have pictures :) |
10:42.30 | timeless_mbp | then i look at the pictures :) |
10:42.46 | timeless_mbp | the ones that have pictures in similar context are obviously good choices :) |
10:42.51 | timeless_mbp | alternatively, you could use strace :) |
10:42.55 | ShadowJK | Now i know why im so cranky. i want n900 now now now! :) |
10:43.05 | rkirti | :D |
10:43.25 | timeless_mbp | wants to upgrade an n900 or three from enGRish to English |
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10:43.32 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
10:43.46 | timeless_mbp | someone wanted us to select a user agent that had value: gb-GB in it :) |
10:44.09 | ShadowJK | Do you mean enklisch :) |
10:44.15 | kirma | wonder what would have happened if I had put the N900 into my pocket, distract the personnel and walked out of the nokia store. |
10:44.21 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: send them here. I'm a generous guy, I'll do the upgrades for free |
10:44.39 | vigneswari | timeless_mbp, in icon theme it is mentioned theme name & size 26..but the pictures are in another folder with different size |
10:44.42 | timeless_mbp | kirma: traditionally they're plugged into special chargers |
10:44.56 | timeless_mbp | the chargers whine very loudly when people disconnect them |
10:45.02 | kirma | this one wasn't, at least at point when I tried it as first client on the store |
10:45.02 | timeless_mbp | the lights change too |
10:45.08 | kirma | just taken from the back room |
10:45.08 | timeless_mbp | wow |
10:45.21 | timeless_mbp | well, there are a number of security cameras (look up) |
10:45.28 | kirma | I bet :) |
10:45.32 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure they'd have you arrested eventually |
10:45.42 | kirma | I'm just wondering *how* much effort they would have spent to get it back :) |
10:46.14 | timeless_mbp | a better question is whether you could actually buy one and take it home today |
10:46.33 | timeless_mbp | if the answer is "yes", then, if i were them, i'd just get private security/cops to grab you |
10:46.39 | timeless_mbp | and take out the next one |
10:47.20 | timeless_mbp | note: i don't condone theft <period> |
10:47.35 | timeless_mbp | otoh, i'm not perfect |
10:47.52 | timeless_mbp | but i will note that finns are sticklers, and will merrily turn you into authorities |
10:48.00 | RST38h | moos at whoever he has not mooed today |
10:48.07 | timeless_mbp | and their efforts to warn you before they do so are not particularly notable |
10:48.15 | vigneswari | timeless_mbp, in icon theme it is mentioned theme name & size 26..but the pictures are in another folder with different size |
10:48.45 | timeless_mbp | vigneswari: do you have a Mer x86 in vbox/vmware? |
10:48.58 | timeless_mbp | because this sort of thing is easily resolved w/ strace |
10:49.12 | suihkulokki | wonders if timeless_mbp can be driven nuts by inserting incorrect english on purpose ;) |
10:49.14 | timeless_mbp | turns on Mer |
10:49.30 | timeless_mbp | suihkulokki: did you see "On ho"? |
10:49.54 | vigneswari | ok am trying with strace timeless_mbp |
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10:50.40 | suihkulokki | timeless_mbp: yeah :| |
10:50.40 | mgedmin | read that as vigneswari trying to strace timeless's behaviour when confronted with incorrect english |
10:50.54 | mgedmin | I'm sure strace would be very useful in medicine |
10:51.27 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: ever had iodine injected into your system? |
10:51.32 | timeless_mbp | still remembers that |
10:51.33 | mgedmin | no |
10:52.10 | timeless_mbp | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3002091.html |
10:52.24 | timeless_mbp | http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3339072.html |
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10:52.32 | timeless_mbp | totally useless ui there... |
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10:53.49 | SpeedEvil | wants caffine injected into his system. |
10:54.01 | SpeedEvil | needs to get out of bed. |
10:54.10 | SpeedEvil | oops - mischan |
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11:06.16 | AStorm | hey guys |
11:06.32 | AStorm | is this the pinout used in N810 (and hopefully N900, unless that uses iPhone's) |
11:06.35 | AStorm | http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=pinout_n95av |
11:07.26 | AStorm | (iPhone has inverted Mic/GND) |
11:08.07 | AStorm | I've to be sure |
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11:11.09 | julianoliver | AStorm: what physical surface does the iPhone screen have? it seems remarkably resistant to smearing compared to some other touch-based phones i've seen. |
11:11.45 | AStorm | oleoptic capacitive |
11:11.58 | AStorm | it's very different from resistive surfaces |
11:12.02 | royerfa | HI |
11:12.04 | aquatix | julianoliver: HTC Hero has a similar coating, quite cool |
11:12.09 | julianoliver | AStorm: right. |
11:12.24 | julianoliver | AStorm: i was thinking of buying a Hero actually as I'm targetting Android also. |
11:12.25 | AStorm | there's a way to make a resistive screen with a nice surface, but likely patented and expensive |
11:12.32 | royerfa | do you guys think that Maemno will replace Symbian at some point ? |
11:12.33 | julianoliver | i see. |
11:12.38 | julianoliver | royerfa: yes |
11:12.38 | AStorm | using nanosilver |
11:12.44 | julianoliver | ahah.. |
11:12.52 | zerojayPC | Yes, but only on high end phones. |
11:12.53 | julianoliver | glad someone can finally explain this to me! |
11:13.08 | aquatix | julianoliver: i really like the Hero, fwiw :) |
11:13.29 | julianoliver | aquatix: good to know.. solid build? |
11:13.39 | royerfa | did someone used Maemo on the Beagle board ? |
11:14.07 | royerfa | I have tried yesterday and got a lot of errors ... |
11:14.08 | zerojayPC | Someone did and recorded it on Youtube. |
11:14.13 | zerojayPC | Don't remember who it was though. |
11:14.19 | aquatix | julianoliver: yep, works fine, feels great in the hand |
11:14.32 | julianoliver | aquatix: looks quite pocketfriendly, thin. |
11:14.41 | aquatix | it is |
11:15.04 | AStorm | the problem with capacitive is obviously non-reactiveness to normal styluses |
11:15.06 | julianoliver | aquatix: personally the most attractive phone out there for me is the Palm Pre.. i'm really into the physical kb. |
11:15.35 | aquatix | AStorm: i don't miss it though |
11:15.39 | julianoliver | AStorm: indeed a problem if you use your handheld as a general purpose computer. |
11:15.40 | RST38h | AStorm: the real problem is resolution |
11:15.40 | aquatix | julianoliver: Pre is nice too |
11:15.40 | kirma | I sort of think that maemo "will replace symbian", but what it means is that maemo takes the top position and symbian is moved to lower position, getting further and further cheaper phones as chips advance |
11:15.50 | RST38h | AStorm: You CAN make a proper stylus for capacitive |
11:15.54 | AStorm | yes |
11:15.56 | aquatix | personally i like the amount of android apps available, and the onscreen kb is surprisingly usable |
11:16.05 | AStorm | assuming the user doesn't wear gloves |
11:16.10 | julianoliver | aquatix: my only worry is the longevity of WebOS as a platform.. |
11:16.10 | AStorm | :> |
11:16.13 | aquatix | AStorm: good point :) |
11:16.16 | RST38h | use your nose!!! |
11:16.25 | aquatix | AStorm: but gloves don't help on any touchscreen |
11:16.34 | AStorm | theyt work on resistive at least |
11:16.36 | kirma | symbian will die altogether for nokia if they fail in Qt push, but if it succeeds, it can become a long-term platform for "middle-class" phones or whatever they should be called |
11:16.46 | aquatix | AStorm: or maybe my gloves are too thick ;) |
11:17.02 | AStorm | or rather, too high resistance |
11:17.12 | SpeedEvil | maemo is not going to be on the cheapest phones for a _long_ time |
11:17.18 | julianoliver | "Mountainclimbers prefer Resistive." |
11:17.27 | aquatix | i rather use my phone without glove anyway, as i'm afraid to drop it |
11:17.34 | aquatix | julianoliver: ghehe |
11:17.41 | AStorm | abuse the kickstand as a handguard |
11:17.46 | AStorm | works for me |
11:17.50 | aquatix | i think symbian will be the low-end smartphone stuff |
11:17.56 | julianoliver | agreed |
11:18.04 | aquatix | AStorm: true |
11:18.06 | kirma | nokia would probably want Qt being the native development environment for S40 too, at least internally |
11:18.13 | AStorm | unless maemo dislodges it :P |
11:18.16 | aquatix | AStorm: but my phones don't have a kickstand :) |
11:18.23 | AStorm | hehehe |
11:18.30 | julianoliver | Linux based OS's are whether the action is, especially given Linux and ARM go back quite some time. |
11:18.35 | AStorm | I was talking about n810 |
11:18.37 | kirma | then they could, eventually, move to entirely Qt-based UI development |
11:18.38 | AStorm | (and n900) |
11:18.58 | aquatix | AStorm: yeah |
11:19.05 | kirma | and replace the cheapest phone category with S40 once it's feasible with chip prices |
11:20.37 | kirma | oh well, S40 is also dependent on colour screens these days and minimum resolutions... well, hard to say about that part and Qt |
11:20.45 | julianoliver | aquatix: how do you like the 'chin' in the Hero? i've always wondered why it's such a point of contention.. |
11:21.36 | _berto_ | guys, what's that Ovi SDK thing ? http://conversations.nokia.com/2009/09/03/ovi-sdk-launched/ |
11:22.42 | SpeedEvil | By 'cheapest phone' - I mean the ones available for 10 pounds :) |
11:22.57 | aquatix | julianoliver: i rather like it :) it works well for holding it and is shaped in such a way that you can press the keys comfortably with one hand |
11:23.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-as-you-go/lg/gb102/overview/ |
11:23.32 | AStorm | _berto_: a platform for Nokia webapps |
11:25.13 | kirma | I suppose location information is available through that on N900 browser? |
11:25.36 | AStorm | no? |
11:25.45 | AStorm | it's for grabbing maps and making new Ovi apps |
11:25.47 | julianoliver | aquatix: right.. i notice that the iPhone is largely a two-handed device.. |
11:25.57 | kirma | standards-compliant method would be nice, but *anything* is better than the alternative where you have to deploy a local web server and all kinds of ajax hacks to deliver it... |
11:26.04 | kirma | well, anyway, even if it's not that way |
11:26.40 | aquatix | julianoliver: i can do about anything with one hand |
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11:26.52 | aquatix | holding it in my left hand and using my thumb |
11:26.54 | kirma | I have been using the daemon hack approach for years on my E90, but I hardly find it widely deployable option for location aware web aps |
11:26.56 | kirma | apps |
11:27.08 | julianoliver | aquatix: very good to know.. |
11:27.33 | suihkulokki | would rather have web apps not know where I am |
11:28.06 | kirma | well, the security framework has to take care of user knowing what information goes where |
11:28.38 | suihkulokki | browsers and security, lol |
11:28.47 | kirma | but making applications that completely maintain user location anonymity and still provide valuable location-based services to the users is challenging |
11:28.52 | julianoliver | suihkulokki: this is one concern with Android: it's hard to know what's being mined. |
11:29.04 | suihkulokki | suddenly remembers who kirma is :) |
11:29.17 | kirma | heh |
11:30.00 | ccooke | can't help but wondering about implementing support for Android apps on top of maemo. Might be interesting. |
11:30.15 | ccooke | (someone is probably already looking in to it, I expect :-) |
11:30.23 | msh_ | hrm. Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} seems a bit broken with the autobuilder or something. |
11:30.28 | msh_ | doesn't pick up a link to zlib |
11:31.08 | kirma | my "traditional" location based app has been "give me next buses and walking/bus instructions from this spot to home/place X" |
11:32.35 | ccooke | the location based apps are wonderful - especially Locale on Android. If nobody implements a port of that, I might have to give it a try myself |
11:34.29 | kirma | "site X wants to use your location information. [allow once] [allow always] [deny once] [deny always]" |
11:34.54 | kirma | built securely as check in the browser. that really should be there, in the browser in my opinion... |
11:35.19 | aquatix | ccooke: there is the android emulator, and ubuntu has some implementation to run android apps |
11:35.25 | aquatix | so if those work on arm... :) |
11:35.28 | kirma | and "disable location service" in preferences |
11:35.46 | aquatix | or some port of darvik |
11:36.07 | aquatix | erm, whatsitcalled |
11:36.07 | ccooke | aquatix: yeah, I've seen them. |
11:36.14 | ccooke | but android itself runs on arm |
11:36.17 | aquatix | dalvik |
11:36.21 | kirma | firefox 3.5 has that stuff to some extent at least. I hope it gets to N900 too... eventually, at least. |
11:36.35 | aquatix | ccooke: yeah, so some port of dalvik to maemo would be interesting |
11:37.07 | ccooke | aquatix: Or parts of it. Really you'd need the runtime framework and an interface layer to work with maemo |
11:37.15 | ccooke | but it could be a very interesting thing |
11:37.55 | ccooke | and hey, more available applications are generally a good thing |
11:38.10 | X-Fade | Android doesn't use X right? So you have to interface quite a lot? |
11:38.19 | ccooke | X-Fade: yep. |
11:38.35 | ccooke | but some of that work is already done. |
11:38.41 | julianoliver | ccooke: really? |
11:38.42 | X-Fade | Sounds painful. |
11:38.46 | julianoliver | indeed |
11:38.47 | ccooke | IIRC, the Ubuntu method uses an X-to-android container. |
11:38.54 | julianoliver | nice. |
11:39.27 | ccooke | julianoliver: Canonical have demod android apps running on Ubuntu. Some time ago, actually - 6-8 months I think |
11:39.43 | julianoliver | i'm clearly out of touch. |
11:39.45 | ccooke | ah, may this year |
11:39.53 | ccooke | http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/26/canonical-giving-ubuntu-the-gift-of-android-apps/ |
11:39.58 | ccooke | so not that long |
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11:44.29 | AStorm | so, N900 could run android apps? |
11:44.36 | AStorm | (abusing that interface) |
11:44.51 | qwerty12_N810 | That sounds perverted :) |
11:46.25 | zerojayPC | Much rather have Maemo apps. |
11:46.43 | Stskeeps | it could, yeah |
11:47.11 | Stskeeps | but it would show off maemo devices are computers, not embedded devices with one api |
11:54.07 | andre__ | favorite questions i expect for N900: "Why does clicking this .exe brings up "Format not recognized"" and "How can I install Maemo 5 on my PC?" |
11:54.43 | qwerty12_N810 | "How do I load up Crysis on it?" |
11:54.52 | kirma | exe question must be the thing that shows windows users that maemo is total crap |
11:54.59 | kirma | no computer can be so crappy |
11:55.01 | andre__ | wonders how patient and friendly the maemo talk community will still be when this has been posted for the 20th time by people that have never seen a "Search" button |
11:56.19 | andre__ | hmm, will users really be interested in the "Updated icon cache" popup in h-a-m when installing $something? |
11:56.34 | RST38h | andre: No. |
11:56.46 | andre__ | and will more than 10% know what it means? |
11:56.47 | RST38h | andre: Users will be interested in an option to install from files though. |
11:57.08 | lcuk | oh fuck |
11:57.15 | X-Fade | RST38h: You can. |
11:57.21 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: Is it still slow to update the icon cache? I add that popup because, on the N8x0, it takes ages |
11:57.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is what .install is for ;) |
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11:57.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ah, cool |
11:57.44 | RST38h | X-Fade: I was under impression .installs were disabled as well |
11:57.52 | X-Fade | RST38h: And apt-get of course. |
11:58.04 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well can't suggest apt-get to ordinary users... |
11:58.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, but ordinary users shouldn't be installing separate files either. |
11:58.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is a road to disaster too. |
11:58.53 | javispedro | is starting to seriously want n8x0 powervr drivers.......... playing with ogles only exacerbates him |
11:58.57 | RST38h | qwerty,andre: Maybe write a UI wrapper for cache updater that shows a message and a progress bar? |
11:59.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: installer won't let them install stuff that breaks other packages |
11:59.34 | RST38h | X-Fade: So I do not think it is such a terrible disaster, not right away anyway |
11:59.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, but it can at a later date. |
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12:00.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: And the user will never get an updated version of the package that way. |
12:00.17 | RST38h | X-Fade: I really do not see a generic scenario for that. Only if user installs a malicious package |
12:00.20 | andre__ | RST38h, progress bar? either sounds like overkill, or i didn't get your </irony> markers |
12:00.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, that is ok |
12:00.43 | RST38h | andre: Only half ironic here. Qwerty is correct - icon cache updating takes LONG time |
12:01.09 | RST38h | andre: And if something takes long time, showing progress is a sane thing to do |
12:01.19 | javispedro | there's already a progress bar. |
12:01.22 | RST38h | Heya, KotCzarny, have not seen you here for a while |
12:01.33 | KotCzarny | yeah |
12:01.41 | KotCzarny | was in #liqbase all the time |
12:01.46 | wazd | timeless_mbp: ping? |
12:01.50 | RST38h | javis: Yes, but it does nothign interesting :) |
12:01.52 | KotCzarny | what's happening? |
12:02.17 | RST38h | KotCzarny: N900 up for preorder, will apparently miss arrow keys in some european markets |
12:02.25 | KotCzarny | lol |
12:02.38 | KotCzarny | well, they should have go with optical trackpoint anyway |
12:02.43 | RST38h | KotCzarny: Aside from that not much |
12:03.24 | lcuk | gentlemen (and ladies). i have just been asked where my heart lies. where my battle lines are drawn. i have been asked whether i can continue in my job or if my mind is out there. i had to answer honestly and recklessly. i believe my current job is winding up and myself and my family will be left with nothing. |
12:04.04 | lcuk | my heart lies with open source, my heart lies with maemo, my heart lies in the future. how can i make it work |
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12:04.51 | RST38h | lcuk: Find a real job =) |
12:05.15 | Corsac | at nokia |
12:05.20 | RST38h | nests at a neraby power line and starts cleaning his feathers |
12:05.22 | lcuk | i have never felt the need to |
12:05.44 | lcuk | i have always been comfortable with my employer, he has treated me right |
12:05.45 | RST38h | NEVERMORE? =) |
12:05.54 | wazd | Guys, why Vlad Vasiliev is not approved for Summit Sponsorship? |
12:06.02 | lcuk | i have been to exactly 1 serious job interview in my life |
12:06.04 | mikkov__ | madbomber tested with real N900 |
12:06.35 | mikkov__ | accelerometer was quite noisy, needs smoothing |
12:06.41 | RST38h | lcuk: We have a position open in platform simulation team, if you are interested :) |
12:06.44 | lcuk | mikkov_, |
12:06.47 | andre__ | lcuk, same here :) |
12:06.52 | lcuk | my code is on the accelerometer page of the wiki |
12:06.55 | lcuk | it includes smoothing |
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12:07.00 | lcuk | for apps over 25fps |
12:07.17 | mikkov__ | yesh saw that |
12:07.22 | lcuk | and it works well |
12:08.57 | Stskeeps | wazd: there's a page with votes |
12:09.05 | wazd | Stskeeps: yeah |
12:09.14 | wazd | Stskeeps: 3 of council haven't voted |
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12:09.20 | lcuk | wazd - ideas? |
12:09.23 | wazd | 2 voted positive |
12:09.27 | Stskeeps | did he receive an email he was rejected? |
12:09.29 | lcuk | for what i asked last night |
12:09.35 | wazd | Stskeeps: I guess not |
12:09.45 | lcuk | vlad should be there. |
12:09.45 | Stskeeps | then wait for that :) |
12:09.54 | lcuk | i was looking forward to talking with him again |
12:09.56 | wazd | lcuk: oh, haven't thought of it yet, hella lots of work |
12:09.56 | crown | hi@all |
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12:10.02 | RST38h | wazd: But this should not be enough for rejection |
12:10.09 | lcuk | something quick and from the heart |
12:10.25 | wazd | RST38h: he's fricking admin of most popular app for Maemo :D |
12:10.27 | RST38h | wazd: they should all vote, shouldn't they? |
12:10.29 | lcuk | top left 2nd column |
12:10.32 | qwerty12_N810 | His app is on the Maemo Select page already; is it likely that he'd be rejected? |
12:10.33 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png |
12:10.40 | lcuk | thats my crap attempt |
12:10.53 | Stskeeps | wazd: i think it's just in progress really |
12:11.02 | X-Fade | wazd: He has not been rejected, at least not in the registration database. |
12:11.07 | RST38h | wazd: Has he got an actual rejection letter? |
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12:11.22 | X-Fade | wazd: And if he was, his registration would have been deleted. |
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12:11.30 | wazd | I haven't said he's rejected, I said he's not approved :P |
12:11.42 | RST38h | wazd: nobody is so far |
12:11.55 | wazd | RST38h: I am :D |
12:12.05 | RST38h | Hmm weird |
12:12.10 | wazd | I'm the silliest member of the community |
12:12.42 | wazd | X-Fade: oh, and another question, Nokia employees don't get sponsorship at all? |
12:13.25 | lcuk | no |
12:13.27 | X-Fade | wazd: Quim told the council to reject them. They should ask their own managers. |
12:13.32 | lcuk | they fly in on black helicopters |
12:14.47 | RST38h | X-Fade: Stupid question: how do I apply for sponsorship anyway? |
12:15.04 | X-Fade | RST38h: By registering and clicking the right box? |
12:15.18 | Corsac | don't you have a local black helicopters retailer? |
12:15.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: What if I have not clicked when registering? |
12:15.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: Then just edit your registration? |
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12:21.39 | wazd | X-Fade: ok, thx |
12:21.58 | wazd | RST38h: you can click it later :) |
12:22.42 | Jaffa | :) |
12:22.54 | X-Fade | ^^^^^^ blame him ;) |
12:23.02 | Khertan | i'm bacl |
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12:28.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: Aha. How do I get to my registration? =) |
12:28.34 | RST38h | after the fact that is |
12:28.56 | wazd | RST38h: that's a good question, I don't know it too :D |
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12:29.13 | X-Fade | RST38h: by checking your mail |
12:29.28 | X-Fade | Or log in, go to http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/#participants |
12:29.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: but I already did! |
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12:29.43 | X-Fade | And then there is the link above the number of participants. |
12:29.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: thanks =) |
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12:36.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I've got the travel details through from Quim so'll send a patch to that midgard file when I have access to the URL again (opened it in Firefox on a different computer so don't have it to hand) |
12:36.56 | X-Fade | Jaffa: ok, no problem. |
12:37.25 | Jaffa | wazd: Please don't fly off the handle about sponsorships. Sometimes mistakes are made; but budget is not infinite and - as agreed on tmo - we're favouring people who are giving talks over anyone else (or who has been involved in organising it). |
12:38.01 | Jaffa | spots on vaispy that there's a new tmo thread on the ITT -> tmo transition! Yay! |
12:39.12 | Jaffa | yerga: thanks for uploading python-facebook to extras-devel btw; I was going to include a copy of it inside my app; but now I can do it properly :) |
12:39.33 | Jaffa | Anyway, time for "cross-platform development with Ovi SDK" talk. |
12:39.45 | zerojay | Fun. |
12:39.51 | zerojay | Enjoy, man. |
12:40.18 | andre__ | I'm really surprised that people just add their name to the participants list (and *nothing* else), have the 3 default points, and dare to request sponsorship (without saying *anything* about what they work on) |
12:40.35 | andre__ | err, /me talking about the summit here |
12:41.04 | derf | You're surprised people want something for nothing? |
12:41.40 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: They just wanted to visit the coffee shops :) |
12:41.41 | andre__ | heh. i'm surprised that people don't spend a second on thinking how they could raise their chances to actually get some sponsorship |
12:41.59 | andre__ | pah, coffee shops. that was cool when i was 15 |
12:42.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Yeah; now you grow the stuff in your back garden? |
12:42.43 | lardman|home | in the loft qwerty12_N810 |
12:42.46 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Well, technically I could ;) |
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12:43.03 | andre__ | qwerty12_N810, no, why should i do that myself if i can outsource that? :-P |
12:43.36 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
12:43.47 | andre__ | hmm, and i both need a back garden and a loft to make you guys happy, it seems |
12:43.50 | Khertan | s[14:41] <andre__> heh. i'm surprised that people don't spend a second on thinking how they could raise their chances to actually get some sponsorship <<< |
12:44.27 | andre__ | err s/raise/increase |
12:44.38 | Jaffa | andre__: Tell me about it. I've had the same thoughts looking through some of the list. |
12:44.48 | andre__ | i can imagine |
12:44.51 | X-Fade | Jaffa: How about instant rejection? |
12:45.01 | Jaffa | Web Runtime demo at the moment. APIs look useful - would be good to get on Maemo (when we get it) |
12:45.13 | Khertan | X-Fade: instant rejection for sponsorship ? |
12:45.14 | Khertan | héhé |
12:45.15 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Just get these registrations of the list as soon as possible. |
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12:45.40 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Most have already been rejected - unless there's been a glut recently. |
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12:45.52 | Jaffa | Job for whilst waiting for the plane, perhaps. |
12:46.15 | wazd | http://maemo.zhil.in/ - how's the hat? :) |
12:46.50 | lcuk | :) wazd |
12:47.00 | Jaffa | wazd: Keyboard wider, perhaps? And the bottom row 'Z' being so far left compared with Q & A is a bit odd ;-) |
12:47.14 | Jaffa | wazd: And it's got a hardware button?! ;-) |
12:47.18 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah a few. |
12:47.29 | lcuk | start with that background as 800px wide wazd |
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12:48.23 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll make some executive decisions ASAP |
12:48.39 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Doesn't seem to bad. Only 2 left it seems. |
12:48.44 | X-Fade | *too |
12:49.00 | wazd | Jaffa: not e900, hat of the blog :) |
12:49.20 | Jaffa | wazd: Ah :) |
12:49.35 | Jaffa | wazd: You mean the masthead? |
12:50.27 | X-Fade | wazd: hmm what is up with that antialising of the font? |
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12:51.03 | X-Fade | wazd: And in the e900 part-> Bluetoth |
12:51.17 | wazd | oh sht :D |
12:51.42 | qwerty12_N810 | shit |
12:51.43 | qwerty12_N810 | :p |
12:52.19 | Jaffa | "N900 will have content supplied through Ovi Store" |
12:52.29 | Khertan | <Jaffa> "N900 will have content supplied through Ovi Store" ? |
12:52.58 | zerojay | Yes. |
12:53.12 | Stskeeps | neat |
12:53.17 | Jaffa | Just on a slide |
12:53.23 | Stskeeps | comes with music yet? ;p |
12:53.29 | zerojay | Heh |
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12:53.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I want the N900 to keep me on the straight and narrow when it comes to songs. |
12:54.00 | Stskeeps | it'll be interesting to see how they handle ovi on linux |
12:54.20 | zerojay | Yeah, for sure. |
12:54.29 | zerojay | Ovi suite? |
12:54.47 | zacky | does it make playlists for last 60 played songs,newly added and such? |
12:55.15 | zerojay | The default media player always has before. |
12:55.25 | zacky | ok |
12:55.39 | zacky | and you can change songs with the headphones, right? |
12:55.59 | Jaffa | Also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/30863507@N02/3884352142/ |
12:56.13 | royerfa | Can you please point me to a place where I can have a prebuild Maemo filesytem for beagle ? |
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12:58.24 | zerojay | Use the sdk. |
12:59.00 | X-Fade | royerfa: http://maemo-beagle.garage.maemo.org/ ? |
13:02.40 | crown | will nokia be able to handle ovi for a opensource linux system , they would need to close terminal and root access then right? |
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13:03.19 | X-Fade | crown: No, all depends on the app and service. |
13:03.27 | SpeedEvil | And - IMO - the carrier |
13:03.29 | lcuk | gulp |
13:03.59 | SpeedEvil | I think some carriers simply won't do an open phone. (as in subsidise) |
13:04.00 | crown | but if i understand the maemo garage system right first place is the garage and then nokia? |
13:04.14 | X-Fade | You have all kinds of options from imei locking to activation. |
13:04.18 | SpeedEvil | If nokia are just not going to supply them ratehr than compromise the openness is of course possible in theory. |
13:05.02 | crown | i think about to buy a n900 about the iphone with jailbreak and so one is to much stress i think thats why i want to have a open source system |
13:05.24 | keesj | you could charge for online services I guess |
13:05.30 | mavhc | you can lock the phone part down without locking the computer part |
13:05.34 | X-Fade | crown: You're certainly not forced to use the store. |
13:05.58 | crown | are there similar apps in the garage then? |
13:06.17 | X-Fade | crown: The normal Application Manager which is in the device. |
13:06.19 | SpeedEvil | mavhc: yeah. I think tht's going to be an acceptable concept for some networks. |
13:06.27 | crown | sry for asking that stupid but iam new into the meamo thing |
13:06.36 | X-Fade | crown: Which can connect to any apt repository. |
13:06.54 | SpeedEvil | Typically networks will announce 'coming soon' phones. |
13:06.56 | crown | like on iphone then to hackolu repo for example okay |
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13:07.08 | crown | that what i wanted to hear:D |
13:07.09 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware - no network has announced the n900 |
13:07.28 | X-Fade | crown: Only the community repository is on the device by default. |
13:07.42 | SpeedEvil | Which may imply that nokia is simply - initially - releasing to a very self-selecting audience - that willing to pay full price for a phone that runs linux. |
13:07.53 | crown | sure but there are other repos too? @x-fade |
13:08.13 | X-Fade | crown: Extras will be the largest. Which are all community apps. |
13:08.26 | SpeedEvil | And they may then think about releasing it more widely and pushing it into carriers when it gets more polished and hyped. |
13:08.40 | X-Fade | RST38h: Can you add a space in your projects list please? |
13:08.59 | X-Fade | RST38h: You're breaking the layout ;) |
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13:10.05 | crown | @x-fade do you think the n900 will be that big one like iphone in future? |
13:10.46 | X-Fade | crown: Only time will tell ;) |
13:10.50 | SpeedEvil | crown: not in the immediate future. |
13:11.08 | SpeedEvil | crown: If it was going to be as big as iphone initially - at least some carriers would have announced by now |
13:11.33 | X-Fade | crown: Maybe next year there will be 20 maemo devices. We don't know. |
13:11.51 | Khertan | gmail refresh button will died before the end of the week ... should stop waiting the maemo summit sponsorship email ..../ |
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13:12.37 | crown | @x-fade i was hear about maemo ealyer is there a possible way for a emulator like for android? |
13:12.57 | X-Fade | crown: Opensource, anything is possible. |
13:13.12 | X-Fade | crown: You just need to put in the time and effort.. |
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13:13.21 | Jaffa | crown: Someone has had Maemo 4 images running in an emulator like qemu - however, I think it was mostly a proof-of-concept rather than a practical development system |
13:13.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well if you take the ubuntu code you will probably have a small start already. |
13:14.00 | lardman|home | hrw iirc |
13:14.09 | Jaffa | X-Fade: indeed. |
13:15.05 | crown | @jaffa for dev i saw a vm appliance based on ubuntu i just wanted to see the gui in real live ;) |
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13:15.17 | javispedro | er... no. |
13:15.26 | javispedro | aw, sorry. |
13:15.56 | X-Fade | crown: Well then you are out of luck. The SDK doesn't have the fancy UI. |
13:16.10 | lcuk | javispedro, if i push another update in a few hours, are you able to merge your bits and push again? |
13:16.31 | javispedro | think so, but chances for me to mess duplicate ;) |
13:16.34 | Jaffa | crown: The SDK is a software development kit (duh); it's not a PC-based preview of Maemo 5 |
13:16.55 | javispedro | lcuk: also, don't have much time, only about a quarter |
13:17.18 | SpeedEvil | The DSP for the 900 - is there a SDK for that? |
13:17.22 | SpeedEvil | GCC/... |
13:17.42 | lcuk | k |
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13:18.20 | crown | @x-fade , jaffa sure but there is a ui app i guess the same like on the n900 later called Hildon? |
13:18.27 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: yes there is, not GCC |
13:18.45 | Jaffa | crown: Sorry, your question doesn't make sense. |
13:19.08 | Jaffa | crown: You can run Hildon (Maemo's additions to Gtk+) apps on the SDK. You don't get the full desktop etc. |
13:19.21 | Jaffa | (i.e. the whizzy task switcher) |
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13:19.37 | Jaffa | However, we don't know if that'll be in the final SDK release "in a few weeks" |
13:19.42 | crown | @jaffa thx like i said iam new into this so sorry if my questions are a little ..umm stupid at first |
13:20.09 | Jaffa | crown: Not stupid; just incorrect ;-) |
13:20.14 | Jaffa | Big difference. |
13:20.21 | SpeedEvil | lardman: free - or a pay-compiler? C? url? |
13:20.25 | crown | @jaffa sure i try my best :D |
13:20.43 | Jaffa | A stupid question is "Can I take Maemo and run it on my iPhone?" or "Can I run Windows 7 on the Nokia 770 I've just got off ebay?" |
13:20.53 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: see topic |
13:20.58 | SpeedEvil | no, no, no. |
13:20.59 | SpeedEvil | oh |
13:21.12 | SpeedEvil | needs to wake up more. |
13:21.28 | crown | so thx for answer my questions and cu later guys |
13:22.53 | VDVsx | Jaffa, of course you can ;) |
13:23.16 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: free |
13:23.24 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: let me have a look for the url |
13:24.44 | lardman|home | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Main_Page then DSPBridge should give you a link |
13:24.56 | javispedro | lol omappedia |
13:25.08 | javispedro | btw, did I hear the A8 vfplite is slower than the arm11 vfp? |
13:25.39 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: right down the bottom: https://gforge.ti.com/gf/project/omapbridge/frs/ |
13:25.39 | javispedro | the pandora guys are talking all the time about how slow it is. |
13:25.43 | SpeedEvil | lardman: many thanks |
13:25.50 | lardman|home | javispedro: it's not pipelined or something iirc |
13:26.18 | javispedro | i guess they want to deprecate it and force us to neon? |
13:26.25 | jrocha | guys, here's a guide on how to install Vista in every machine, even a Maemo device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno |
13:26.33 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: hmm not sure it's on that page though |
13:26.35 | jrocha | it also works for windows 7 I guess |
13:26.55 | lardman|home | SpeedEvil: I seem to remember it being there, but it's certainly on the Ti website somewhere (no link to hand) |
13:27.01 | SpeedEvil | lardman: np |
13:27.06 | javispedro | jrocha, you're lying, my n810 doesn't have that hole. |
13:27.14 | javispedro | I can't even put the instructions in there. |
13:27.40 | javispedro | wow 16500 comments. |
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13:27.52 | dneary | VDVsx: Ping? |
13:27.58 | VDVsx | dneary, pong |
13:28.16 | SpeedEvil | wishes again for 1995-free-with-scanner class OCR for linux. |
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13:28.45 | zerojay | ? |
13:29.25 | dneary | SpeedEvil: We have that |
13:29.35 | zerojay | Why go back? |
13:29.39 | SpeedEvil | zerojay: There is no OCR for linux that is close to as good as what came free with my scanner in 1995. |
13:29.41 | lopz | hi |
13:29.43 | dneary | SpeedEvil: xsane has OCR that's even slightly better than that |
13:29.44 | SpeedEvil | (that I have found) |
13:30.02 | kirma | NEON is problematic because it's not IEEE floating point compliant, and even when that doesn't exactly matter, it's just single precision when, for instance, python relies on double precision floats |
13:30.05 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly it's been a couple of years since I looked - maybe it's changed. |
13:30.20 | SpeedEvil | goes to look at xsanes plugins. |
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13:30.25 | zerojay | Yeah, i think so. |
13:30.31 | javispedro | kirma, so, basically, we won't have good performing double floating point math in cortex-a8? |
13:30.38 | kirma | but performance of VFP doesn't really matter for standard python code - other things dominate anyway. |
13:31.08 | javispedro | i wonder if the non-pipelined vfp has such a worsening effect or if it's all exaggeration. |
13:31.14 | Corsac | there's tesseract |
13:31.16 | SpeedEvil | dneary: last I looked at gocr it was close to useless. /me checks again. |
13:31.17 | kirma | NEON is well performing floating point... but it's not quite a drop-in replacement for many things |
13:31.49 | lardman|home | NEON is only single isn't it? |
13:32.02 | kirma | non-pipelined VFP is probably non-issue if code is written in scripting language that's not JITted |
13:32.16 | lardman|home | ah yes, I see that above :) |
13:32.22 | kirma | single precision for floats, yes. it has other operation modes too though |
13:32.32 | kirma | but not for floating point |
13:32.46 | javispedro | GCC does emit not seem to emit pipelined vfp friendly fp. |
13:32.47 | kirma | and it doesn't really implement all IEEE semantics |
13:32.57 | javispedro | loading the results right after the operations themselves |
13:33.08 | javispedro | *pipelined vfp friendly code. |
13:33.17 | kirma | javispedro: hmmmh. that seems "interesting" |
13:33.38 | kirma | and not good. :I |
13:33.38 | javispedro | that's why I though they're exagerating. |
13:34.11 | dneary | VDVsx: Want to have a quick chat about outstanding talks? |
13:34.11 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, check out Tesseract OCR, it's pretty good |
13:34.11 | lardman|home | can I access ranges of data in a Python string, e.g. s[1:10] ? |
13:34.22 | dneary | I didn't move the lightning talks yesterday |
13:34.37 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, gocr is not close to useless, it's actually pretty good |
13:34.51 | VDVsx | dneary, sure |
13:34.54 | kirma | other thing is that Cortex-A8 doesn't do out of order execution, so instruction scheduling is pretty critical. like not trying to access floating point values too early from VFP... |
13:34.59 | dneary | VDVsx: Cool |
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13:36.03 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: Ok - it was close to useless the last time I tried it - a couple of years ago. |
13:36.06 | SpeedEvil | is compileing |
13:36.50 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, check my project OCRFeeder, you can use several OCR engines if you want, with it |
13:37.39 | VDVsx | dneary, about the LT's, we've to talk with the council and poke Anidel about the description of his LT |
13:37.51 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: /me googles. |
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13:38.03 | dneary | talk to the council? |
13:38.07 | dneary | About which one? |
13:38.10 | kirma | but anyway; if compiler is intelligent and floating point math is done in non-jitted scripting language such as (C)Python, using VFP and getting IEEE semantics shouldn't be a big performance problem. real issues start if one wants to do fast math on C or efficiently JITted bytecode |
13:38.21 | dneary | VDVsx: Oh - I got our Saturday morning keynote |
13:38.48 | dneary | Need to confirm for sure, but it's a good one. Not specifically free software related, but really passionate |
13:38.50 | VDVsx | dneary, about the one's that will need sponsorship ;) |
13:38.56 | dneary | Ah |
13:38.56 | kirma | in that case, one has to pick either non-IEEE semantics or considerably lower performance than what NEON could provide for single-precision non-IEEE math. |
13:39.07 | dneary | I don't think that affects *our* decision |
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13:40.26 | VDVsx | dneary, well, at least I would prefer to put 'safe' talks in the schedule, rather than remove them later :( |
13:40.26 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, in case you haven't found it yet: http://live.gnome.org/OCRFeeder |
13:40.32 | javispedro | kirma, hrm. :) |
13:40.39 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: I did. - though I found the google source thingy |
13:40.50 | dneary | VDVsx: For lightning talks I don't mind that much |
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13:41.48 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: looks very shiny. I would like to evaluate it more - but at the moment I think I'm going to go to sleep. /me moved too many rocks yesterday. |
13:42.23 | VDVsx | dneary, anyway, we can move now 2 LT's, at least |
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13:42.48 | VDVsx | dneary, python-mafw and Feedhandler |
13:43.33 | RST38h | Folks, could somebody tell me where I apply to make a talk at the Summit? |
13:43.33 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, ok, see ya |
13:43.46 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
13:43.50 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, btw, I'm porting OCRFeeder to Fremantle |
13:43.51 | RST38h | (and, if you are interested in emulation, what would you like me to talk about) |
13:43.55 | VDVsx | beats RST38h |
13:43.59 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: now that would be fun. |
13:44.22 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: automatically geotagged photos - with text automagically extracted and searchable |
13:44.36 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009#Call_for_Content |
13:44.44 | dneary | Yes |
13:44.51 | dneary | VDVsx: I think we can move the others too |
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13:45.40 | wazd | I just figured out genius idea for OMWEather! |
13:45.54 | wazd | jeez, it's awesome! |
13:46.20 | VDVsx | dneary, fine for me, I just don't want misconceptions :( |
13:47.09 | dneary | OK |
13:47.39 | dneary | I can contact accepted authors and add a note saying "NOTE: Acceptance as a lightning talk does not imply acceptance for a travel grant" |
13:47.50 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, my main goal is to use it with biz card |
13:48.09 | jrocha | to make contacts out of business cards |
13:48.13 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: that's good too. But streetsigns imagine. |
13:48.26 | SpeedEvil | http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-August/040675.html |
13:48.29 | VDVsx | dneary, that would be nice |
13:48.34 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, a photo tagged as "Stop" ? :D |
13:48.39 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: yes. |
13:48.45 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: hammertime! |
13:49.14 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, :) |
13:49.25 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: Or more accurately. A photo tagged as 'stop' - geotagged at x,y - with a GPS trace attached - to aid in editing openstreetmap |
13:49.42 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, that sounds cool |
13:49.51 | SpeedEvil | jrocha: Take a picture of a streetsign on an unnamed street - named street |
13:50.03 | jrocha | hopefully tomorrow I'll be able to hack a bit more on porting OCRFeeder |
13:50.29 | jrocha | I hope I have enough to show a preview (you'd get it on maemo planet) |
13:50.51 | SpeedEvil | really goes to sleep. :) |
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13:53.04 | jrocha | SpeedEvil, bye |
13:53.07 | dneary | VDVsx: Done |
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13:54.13 | javispedro | i was thinking, do we have any opengl es 2 app in extras? |
13:54.54 | X-Fade | javispedro: not that I know of. |
13:55.08 | VDVsx | dneary, forget to add them to the grid ? :P |
13:55.10 | javispedro | would like to upload his "red triangle" test app, but would get killed :) |
13:55.15 | dneary | VDVsx: Isn't Xournal a Fremantle Star? |
13:55.23 | VDVsx | dneary, nop |
13:55.34 | dneary | ah |
13:56.05 | dneary | I used it recently to annotate a PDF - filling in a form I downloaded as a PDF from a government website, printing it just for a signature. It rocks |
13:56.46 | VDVsx | dneary, btw, you should have a mail from sampppa about the FS keynote |
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13:57.01 | dneary | "the FS keynote?" |
13:57.11 | dneary | Fremantle Stars |
13:57.16 | VDVsx | yup ;) |
13:57.55 | dneary | And samppa is Sampo from eCoach? |
13:58.00 | lcuk | yes dneary xournal is an important app |
13:58.03 | lcuk | yes |
13:59.30 | VDVsx | dneary, yes |
13:59.58 | RST38h | bisects VDVsx with an Occam's blade |
14:00.20 | dneary | ok |
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14:08.01 | dneary | VDVsx: Added also |
14:08.06 | dneary | Now, about the outstandings |
14:08.22 | dneary | If we can agree on 2 NOs for any of them, I think we'll see more clearly |
14:09.34 | dneary | We should get back to the proposers of "how to speed up", "improve bluetooth" and "expanding the user base" |
14:09.37 | dneary | I'll do that now |
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14:11.33 | VDVsx | dneary, well, we can agree on the 'yeses' first :) |
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14:13.23 | VDVsx | bergie, ping |
14:13.55 | slonopotamus | ~curse libcal devs for not using crc32 from zlib |
14:13.56 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, libcal devs for not using crc32 from zlib ! |
14:14.27 | dneary | Let's see what space is left |
14:14.50 | dneary | 4 "Users" slots |
14:15.08 | dneary | 5 "App developer" slots |
14:15.23 | dneary | 5 "platform" slots |
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14:15.44 | dneary | Now - obvious (I think) yesses + their categories: |
14:16.07 | dneary | Canola: Beyond media playback (User) |
14:16.22 | dneary | Personalise maemo5 (User) |
14:16.38 | dneary | Publishing through maemo.org (App dev) |
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14:16.58 | dneary | Hands-on Nokia Web Runtime -App dev) |
14:17.09 | dneary | That brings us to 2 user, 3 app dev |
14:17.30 | dneary | Writing plug-ins for MAFW (platform) |
14:18.17 | dneary | 2/3/4 |
14:18.41 | VDVsx | dneary, there's also Texrat's submission (users) |
14:18.51 | dneary | VDVsx: I'm interested in your opinion on 3 talks: safe browsing experience, browser for power users, and painless quality translations |
14:19.21 | dneary | VDVsx: I was leaving that as a "maybe" for the moment |
14:19.35 | dneary | I think that PySide should be put out of its misery & long wait, no |
14:19.38 | slonopotamus | 'safe browsing experience'??? like, 'don't browse while crossing a street'? |
14:19.47 | dneary | Or ask if he wants to give a lightning talk |
14:20.00 | dneary | slonopotamus: It's a problem with the N900 |
14:20.18 | X-Fade | dneary: pyside will probably be pretty important in the upcoming time. |
14:20.24 | dneary | slonopotamus: You missed the announcement of collision detection hardware & software on the device? |
14:20.29 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: No, "Don't load up porn while your wife is present in the room" |
14:20.30 | Corsac | slonopotamus: or put a condom on the n900? |
14:20.31 | Stskeeps | would like to highlight DVCS as a very upcoming theme |
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14:20.47 | setanta | dneary, how long are the lightning talks? |
14:20.50 | Stskeeps | more and more maemo stuff move to git and dvcs |
14:20.50 | slonopotamus | Corsac, ! |
14:20.50 | dneary | X-Fade: Perhaps, but there are several Qt and Python talks already |
14:20.58 | dneary | setanta: 5 minutes |
14:21.11 | VDVsx | dneary, safe browsing experience and browser for power users are yeses for me, as I said in the wiki |
14:21.55 | slonopotamus | 'browser for power user'... meh! gcc for power user! |
14:21.58 | setanta | wow |
14:22.00 | dneary | Stskeeps: I'm not keen on more tools tutorials, given that we have a few already |
14:22.16 | Corsac | hmhm, expansys has a price for the n900 |
14:22.24 | VDVsx | dneary, if you have doubts, we can wait for Jamie, here |
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14:22.28 | Corsac | http://www.expansys.fr/d.aspx?i=187231 765e |
14:22.29 | dneary | VDVsx: I mean, are you a definite yes to both? Or one or the other? |
14:22.33 | Corsac | *ouch* |
14:22.49 | dneary | VDVsx: We'll definitely wait for Jamie on doubts, but I'm prepared to be convinced :) |
14:22.57 | Khertan | Corsac: bought it on nokia.fr it s "only" 650e + delivery |
14:23.01 | Stskeeps | dneary: fair enough - just keep in mind our community should move towards users of tools to create, not power users :) |
14:23.31 | dneary | Stskeeps: I'm not sure what that means (parse error) |
14:23.56 | Corsac | expansys.es has it at 744 |
14:24.01 | VDVsx | dneary, dneary, as I said one is 'intend' for user and the other for dev's (timeless) |
14:24.07 | Corsac | Khertan: already pre-ordered? :Ã |
14:24.08 | Corsac | :) |
14:24.15 | Khertan | Corsac: surely not ... |
14:24.17 | timeless_mbp | ? |
14:24.25 | kirma | did. but from nokia... |
14:24.40 | Corsac | Khertan: you said you bought it :/ |
14:24.52 | Khertan | Corsac: too expensive for my wife ... so for me |
14:24.56 | Khertan | Corsac: i ve never said that |
14:24.59 | dneary | VDVsx: I understand that |
14:24.59 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, you need to convince dneary about your submission ;) |
14:25.24 | dneary | VDVsx: Do you think the presentations will have different people in the room? |
14:25.28 | Khertan | but maybe in one year when price will be lower |
14:25.31 | Corsac | Khertan: you gave the impression: |
14:25.32 | Corsac | [16:22:57] (Khertan): Corsac: bought it on nokia.fr it s "only" 650e + delivery |
14:25.40 | Corsac | sorry I wrongly assumed that |
14:26.09 | Khertan | Corsac: ah hem sorry this is me ... i ve used wrong time for the verbs :) |
14:26.15 | Stskeeps | dneary: sorry. the curse of maemo.org is the fact that we rarely contribute back to whatever's opened :) and hence tool sessions are good for giving people the ability to contribute back. effectively moving maemo.org from being a lazy community to being a counterpart to internal development :) |
14:26.22 | Khertan | didn't speak very well english |
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14:26.43 | Jaffa | Getting kicked out :-( |
14:26.49 | slonopotamus | Khertan, s/did/does/ |
14:26.49 | slonopotamus | :P |
14:26.54 | Khertan | :) |
14:27.15 | VDVsx | dneary, all depends on the 'demographic' of the summit attendees, but I would say yes |
14:28.35 | dneary | Stskeeps: Perhaps we're attracting the wrong type of person? (not familiar with tools, not a developer)? |
14:28.48 | timeless_mbp | do note that my talk announcement is not specifically dev oriented |
14:29.07 | dneary | VDVsx: First - do you agree with the 5 presentations I said were definite yesses? |
14:29.40 | dneary | Because that leaves us (before deciding on the browser slots et al) with 2 user slots, 3 app dev slots, 4 platform slots |
14:29.42 | VDVsx | dneary, yes |
14:29.46 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: well um |
14:29.48 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
14:29.53 | kirma | verkkokauppa.com (finnish web shop that *might* deliver outside .fi, but probably just the fi keyboard layout) lists N900 at 589.90 euros |
14:29.58 | timeless_mbp | either someone sends for me to go and schedules a slot for me |
14:30.00 | Stskeeps | dneary: we are attracting the people but they have little ability to get into the tools of the trade :) nm though - just keep git in mind / dvcs work - very very important theme :) |
14:30.05 | timeless_mbp | or they don't, and i definitely do not show up |
14:30.08 | kirma | 10.10 euros less than nokia here |
14:30.17 | timeless_mbp | you guys better figure it out soon though |
14:30.33 | timeless_mbp | i have to arrange my flight stuff and vacation destinations |
14:30.41 | timeless_mbp | so far everyone's jerking my chain |
14:30.49 | timeless_mbp | which is hardly enjoyable |
14:31.06 | dneary | VDVsx: It's a bit hard to follow our conversation with the side conversations going on |
14:31.14 | dneary | Want to move to #maemo-meeting for a minute? |
14:31.22 | VDVsx | dneary, sure |
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14:33.26 | Corsac | mhmh, what's that stuff about mms support? |
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14:41.04 | Natanaiel | is nokia n900 cellphone or internet tablet? |
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14:42.14 | javispedro | Natanaiel: http://maemo.nokia.com/features/phone/ |
14:42.47 | javispedro | [sig] |
14:46.18 | Corsac | hmhm yeah, doesn't seem to support sending/receiving mms |
14:46.23 | mgedmin | thinks lcuk and lardman will like this: http://pyre.third-bit.com/blog/archives/2893.html |
14:46.47 | RST38h | mgedmin: bacon? |
14:46.54 | mgedmin | tactical bacon! |
14:47.05 | RST38h | bacon. |
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14:48.08 | lcuk | mmmmmmm |
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14:50.22 | slonopotamus | ... |
14:50.26 | slonopotamus | just crap |
14:50.34 | slonopotamus | i make crc32work |
14:50.40 | slonopotamus | s/2/2 / |
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14:50.50 | slonopotamus | *made |
14:51.02 | slonopotamus | there's more than one crc32 :/ |
14:51.32 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: neat |
14:52.01 | slonopotamus | at least there's one in zlib and one developed by Gary S. Brown. and their results don't match |
14:52.11 | slonopotamus | libcal uses one by Gary S. Brown |
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14:52.24 | slonopotamus | whoever he is |
14:54.04 | slonopotamus | and i was using zlib one, of course |
14:55.48 | slonopotamus | ~curse everyone who makes incompatible things and gives them same name |
14:55.49 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, everyone who makes incompatible things and gives them same name ! |
14:56.03 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: is there really more than one crc32? |
14:56.17 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, i just said it. |
14:56.31 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, yes, more than one |
14:57.13 | slonopotamus | same algorithm, but different parameters |
14:58.34 | slonopotamus | wtf is 'Nokia Web Runtime'? |
14:58.47 | timeless_mbp | garbage (tm) |
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14:59.36 | slonopotamus | mafw too? |
14:59.48 | timeless_mbp | basically NWR a collection of extremely shitting apis |
14:59.58 | timeless_mbp | which nokia is adding to a Webkit base |
15:00.12 | timeless_mbp | and then marketing as a savior for something |
15:00.23 | timeless_mbp | except nokia is also offering Qt as their solution for everything |
15:00.33 | timeless_mbp | it's unclear which of those two is truly doomed |
15:00.46 | slonopotamus | i see. can't say browser is a best thing for ui |
15:00.52 | timeless_mbp | well |
15:01.05 | timeless_mbp | sbrowser/nokia/ |
15:01.06 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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15:07.40 | RST38h | has filtered out all email in Chinese about a year ago. He is no ready to filter out all email in Russian. |
15:07.46 | RST38h | s/no/now |
15:07.59 | *** part/#maemo zerojay (n=zerojay@74.198.12.6) |
15:08.01 | RST38h | Epic volumes of spam. |
15:09.19 | Firebird | only gets emails in english |
15:10.00 | SpeedEvil | once got 30 million spams in a week. |
15:10.43 | SpeedEvil | Back in the day - shortly after green-card - I started posting to usenet with a per-message email address. This was fine - my ISP allowed me as many email addresses as I liked. |
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15:11.13 | RST38h | Speed: Let me guess... AOL? =) |
15:11.39 | SpeedEvil | Some 10000 messages later someone decided to start sending out forged emails for mortgage spam. - and chose the first 10000 addresses on their list (or so) to use as sender addresses. |
15:11.47 | SpeedEvil | I got a _lot_ of bounces. :) |
15:11.56 | mgedmin | would like to filter out all the messages in Russian, if /me could figure out how to to that with procmail |
15:11.57 | RST38h | evil |
15:12.07 | RST38h | mgedmin: Need help? It is real easy |
15:12.24 | mgedmin | procmail is rarely easy ;) |
15:12.28 | RST38h | mgedmin: it IS easy |
15:12.38 | mgedmin | no harder than quantum physics, I'm sure |
15:12.45 | RST38h | mgedmin: Do you have your .forward and .procmailrc in place already? |
15:12.48 | mgedmin | yes I do |
15:13.05 | tlax | is reading Introduction to Quantum Mechanics |
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15:13.33 | RST38h | Ok, open your .procmrailrc in an editor and add these lines: |
15:13.43 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
15:13.52 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
15:14.03 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
15:14.06 | mgedmin | wow |
15:14.14 | RST38h | This will kill off all messages with cp1251 subjects |
15:14.22 | mgedmin | you know, it never occurred to me that people were still using non-utf-8 in emails |
15:14.35 | RST38h | do not put spaces at the beginning, I added them to prevent irc from acting up on / |
15:14.51 | mgedmin | I thought I'd have to carve up regexps to detect unicode characters in the cyrillic range encoded in UTF-8 and then in MIME quoted printable |
15:14.55 | RST38h | mgedmin: never occurred to med why people would use utf-8 really |
15:15.21 | mgedmin | knows how to say / in irc |
15:15.23 | mgedmin | / |
15:15.27 | RST38h | Ok, let us take care of messages with cyrillic bodies now, I will have to look up an example of one |
15:15.35 | Firebird | / |
15:15.43 | mgedmin | /quit even |
15:15.44 | qwerty12_N810 | / |
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15:17.12 | javispedro | reads some crazy one talking about n64 emulation possible on the wiz |
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15:17.34 | javispedro | which is even nearer to the n8x0 hardware. |
15:17.35 | RST38h | javis: possible but unplayable |
15:18.03 | RST38h | javis: I submitted a presentation to the summit about emulation on mobile devices. if you want me to cover something specific let me know |
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15:18.25 | javispedro | RST38h, unless you have alergy to these kind of forums (I would understand ;) ) check this: http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/49358-mupen64plus/ |
15:18.58 | RST38h | mgedmin: For 1251 bodies: |
15:19.07 | javispedro | specially later talks in the 2nd and 3rd pages. |
15:19.09 | mgedmin | match against content-type, I suspect |
15:19.15 | mgedmin | RST38h: thanks |
15:19.30 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, suppose you're reading blocks from CAL and encounter crc error. what you'd do? |
15:19.31 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
15:19.40 | RST38h | mgedmin: rest of the lines will be the same |
15:19.53 | mgedmin | woohoo, I'm getting spam in koi8-r ! |
15:20.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i'm thinking about adding --force flag, without what it'll just stop. |
15:20.22 | RST38h | mgedmin: same method although I would not block koi8. Some normal person may write me something in Russian |
15:20.55 | slonopotamus | RST38h, those morons who still use The Bat? :) |
15:21.10 | SpeedEvil | has some of those. http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/3857180629/in/set-72157622145515654/ |
15:21.17 | SpeedEvil | More than 8 though. |
15:22.56 | RST38h | slonopotamus: or PINE like myself |
15:23.21 | slonopotamus | RST38h, it doesn't support utf? :/ |
15:23.23 | RST38h | slonopotamus: or have enough brains to reconfigure Outlook (which spambots can't do) |
15:23.30 | RST38h | slono: Apparently not |
15:23.52 | RST38h | Besides, damn utf tends to get mangled by some mailservers, even after all this time |
15:23.58 | slonopotamus | err... how do you read utf mails then? iconv? :) |
15:24.19 | RST38h | I do not =) When in the rare cases when I do, I bounce them to gmail :) |
15:24.26 | RST38h | s/When/Well\ |
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15:24.39 | mgedmin | mutt supports charset conversion very nicely |
15:24.42 | mgedmin | feels superior |
15:24.52 | javispedro | heh. The Palm VersaMail client wasn't capable of utf8, in 2005. |
15:25.00 | mgedmin | my horse-drawn buggy is fancier than your horse-drawn buggy |
15:25.08 | mgedmin | who cares about those 'automobile' things anyway |
15:25.11 | RST38h | ah, mutt vs pine... we have not yet tried this particular flamewar have we? |
15:25.11 | mgedmin | it's a passing fad |
15:25.18 | mgedmin | not here :) |
15:25.30 | RST38h | first time for everything... |
15:25.33 | mgedmin | is either ported to maemo? |
15:25.38 | RST38h | pine was afaik |
15:25.40 | slonopotamus | mgedmin, and buggier? |
15:26.18 | RST38h | all right, time to go home |
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15:28.56 | ShadowJK | Heh, n900 screen protectors already |
15:30.28 | AStorm | where and how good are they? |
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15:32.08 | ShadowJK | Ah it's preorder too |
15:32.30 | SpeedEvil | All you need to do is to cut to size... |
15:33.13 | clintc | trying to update n800 to RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin with flasher-3.0-static and having trouble |
15:34.14 | clintc | flasher sees device then bails out with a Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
15:35.41 | clintc | flasher bails out with this command: sudo ./flasher-3.0-static -f RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
15:36.16 | mgedmin | clintc: you're telling it _where_ the fiasco image is, but not actually telling it to _do_ anything with it |
15:36.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Hint: You want an "-F" there, too |
15:36.32 | mgedmin | clintc: sudo ./flasher-3.0-static -f *.bin -F -R |
15:36.37 | inz | mgedmin, the other way round, right? |
15:36.39 | mgedmin | -R is optional |
15:36.53 | inz | mgedmin, telling to flash but not where the image is |
15:36.54 | mgedmin | inz is right |
15:37.09 | mgedmin | -f -F *.bin -R |
15:37.26 | mgedmin | been ages since I last flashed |
15:37.28 | mgedmin | yay SSU |
15:37.31 | clintc | ah ha, I did not look at the command pas the image ... <redface>, thanks! |
15:37.38 | mgedmin | (what does it stand for, again?) |
15:37.39 | inz | It's been a while, but with the dozens of flashes I've done, I should remember |
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15:39.53 | clintc | flash is no proceeding, thanks again |
15:40.01 | clintc | c/no/now |
15:45.46 | bergie | VDVsx: pong |
15:46.49 | VDVsx | bergie, can on comment, please: http://wiki.maemo.org/Talk:Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Midgard2:_Content_repository_for_your_tablet_and_the_web |
15:47.00 | VDVsx | *can you |
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15:47.07 | bergie | VDVsx: sure, what do you want to know? |
15:47.25 | bergie | ah, yes I see |
15:47.31 | bergie | ok, I'll write something there |
15:47.51 | VDVsx | bergie, thanks ;) |
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15:50.11 | AStorm | SpeedEvil: but the cut protector has to be transparent too |
15:50.19 | AStorm | and resistive-ready |
15:50.21 | AStorm | :) |
15:50.24 | SpeedEvil | AStorm: err - no |
15:50.42 | SpeedEvil | AStorm: it just has to be transparent - there is no such thing as resistive ready |
15:51.27 | SpeedEvil | the resistive touchscreen works by the insides of the touchscreen touching together. The outside is just plastic |
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15:57.21 | AStorm | SpeedEvil: yeah |
15:57.33 | AStorm | the trick is to not be too thick and tough |
15:57.48 | AStorm | and so that the protector doesn't scratch enough |
15:57.48 | SpeedEvil | yeah - and a silicone layer on the back to do the attachment |
15:58.00 | AStorm | why not |
15:58.04 | AStorm | as long as it's transparent |
15:58.29 | SpeedEvil | the silicone is the 'gel' that's on the back - it means you can easily remove without damage - but put on without bubbles |
15:58.30 | ShadowJK | Speedevil: that paper you linked yesterday.. Looks like the author(s) only show why a 'FlashVM' is needed, and how it should behave towards the storage, but nothing about how or where such a thing would be implemented |
15:58.37 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yeah |
15:59.05 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: If you implement it, I will give you one shiny pebble. |
15:59.10 | SpeedEvil | And be very grateful. |
15:59.17 | ShadowJK | is at work atm and only slightly idle, i might vanish at any time |
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16:00.36 | SpeedEvil | It looks like the basic argument is to stop the swap pages going through the normal disk subsystems - but very direct. |
16:00.48 | SpeedEvil | Which is probably sane - but complex |
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16:03.39 | ShadowJK | The most important part is the sequential writes |
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16:04.06 | ShadowJK | The rest only matter if you had a fast sata ssd |
16:04.30 | ShadowJK | Swap already bypasses filesystem partially |
16:04.48 | ShadowJK | i wonder.. Does swap on loop work at all? |
16:04.50 | SpeedEvil | I mean the ordering and stuff |
16:04.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
16:05.01 | SpeedEvil | I used swap on cryptoloop for some years |
16:05.19 | SpeedEvil | And the consolidation. |
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16:05.34 | SpeedEvil | You don't want to do that - just blast it out to the next block |
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16:07.51 | ShadowJK | as long as there is a whole 512k block free |
16:08.37 | ShadowJK | Don't get your hopes up btw. i dunno anything about how to do anything in kernel |
16:08.53 | ShadowJK | And I suffer from chronic shortage of spare time |
16:13.51 | lardman|home | derf: your zbar is segfaulting on me |
16:14.34 | derf | D'og. |
16:14.41 | derf | Got a bt? |
16:15.17 | lardman|home | no, can I get one easily running it through python? |
16:15.39 | lardman|home | just importing it segfaults |
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16:16.02 | derf | I have absolutely no idea. |
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16:16.21 | derf | "Just importing it" sounds like you should be talking to spadix. |
16:16.25 | lardman|home | I'll have to build one of the test programs and see what happens |
16:16.26 | lardman|home | yeah |
16:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | is going offline for a while. |
16:16.35 | derf | He doesn't do IRC much, but he's pretty responsive by e-mail. |
16:16.37 | GeneralAntilles | Later. |
16:16.40 | lardman|home | he said he was going to crack on with getting the QR stuff integrated |
16:17.07 | lardman|home | I was talking to him earlier on #zbar |
16:18.06 | derf | Oh, I didn't even realize there was one. |
16:18.32 | lardman|home | nor did I until today |
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16:28.48 | dneary | lbt: Ping? |
16:28.53 | dneary | Are you Lub Bhyet? |
16:29.04 | lbt | me? |
16:29.19 | lbt | no |
16:29.39 | lbt | http://maemo.org/profile/view/lbt/ |
16:30.09 | lardman|home | how can I extract every other letter in a python string? |
16:30.21 | lbt | convert to utf16 |
16:30.47 | lbt | s/.(.)/$1/g |
16:31.12 | lbt | s/(.)./$1/g |
16:31.21 | lardman|home | can I not access the string like an array and use a slice? |
16:31.44 | lbt | is a perl guy at heart .... shhh |
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16:31.51 | lardman|home | :) |
16:32.19 | Stskeeps | wb wazd_ |
16:33.51 | mgedmin | lardman|home: yes you can: a_string[::2] |
16:34.07 | mgedmin | and for the other half of letters, use a_string[1::2] |
16:34.27 | mgedmin | now as to _why_ would anyone want to do that, I'm curious |
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16:39.16 | kirma | gets intrigued of PyPy JIT possibilities on N900... Cortex-A8 has ThumbEE mode, that has specific instructions helping general-purpose JITs with NULL checks and such... |
16:41.06 | AStorm | kirma: not as much as you'd think |
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16:43.42 | AStorm | hates bug trackers which require login for search |
16:44.01 | mgedmin | is intrigued by PyPy's multiple possibilities, such as mmappable .pyc files, but thinks any practical use out of pypy is still several years in the future |
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16:48.47 | rektide | does maemo5's wm use clutter as well ? |
16:49.53 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: mer from a user's perspective lists andrei as speaker but it's tomasz |
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16:53.25 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, thanks, gonna fix that |
16:54.07 | Stskeeps | hm, seems fixed now |
16:54.13 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, yup |
16:54.43 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, andrei did it ;) |
16:55.36 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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16:59.35 | lardman|home | mgedmin: the data from the camera is passed back in a string |
16:59.43 | mgedmin | ooh, fun! |
16:59.52 | mgedmin | the struct module may be useful for decoding it |
16:59.57 | lardman|home | mgedmin: I want the Y and to ignore the UV, and the encoding just so happens to mean that every other 8bits is what I want |
16:59.59 | mgedmin | especially if it has 16-bit values |
17:00.14 | mgedmin | cool |
17:00.17 | lardman|home | hmm, that's a good point |
17:00.29 | mgedmin | dunno how useful (or fast) struct is with arrays |
17:00.33 | mgedmin | numpy may be good |
17:00.42 | lardman|home | anyway I tried that syntax, but was told off by the interpreter |
17:00.49 | mgedmin | well, if you wanted to do image processing, numpy would definitely be good |
17:00.56 | mgedmin | told off? how? |
17:01.04 | lardman|home | TypeError: sequence index must be integer, not 'slice' |
17:01.21 | mgedmin | are you sure you're getting back a string? |
17:01.29 | mgedmin | because it looks like a custom type that doesn't support slicing |
17:01.57 | lardman|home | yeah, well this is what I was going from iirc: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/howtos/howto_camera_api_bora.html#camera_python |
17:02.14 | lardman|home | # By the way, the buffer is received as a Python string |
17:02.31 | mgedmin | try print type(buffer) |
17:02.54 | mgedmin | you'll see if the documentation lied to you or not |
17:03.20 | lardman|home | ok, thanks |
17:04.37 | lardman|home | hmm, <type 'gst.Buffer'> |
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17:06.39 | lardman|home | is str() the conversion to a string? |
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17:12.34 | lardman|home | ok that works, converting it to a proper string with str() |
17:14.37 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ping |
17:15.59 | sp3000 | sup |
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17:21.33 | RST38h | reMoo |
17:25.37 | timeless_mbp | did you just get an sms? |
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17:28.33 | javispedro | btw, somebody already registered a new h-i-m plugin in garage: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/tappy/ |
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17:32.38 | Stskeeps | for n900? |
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17:33.39 | javispedro | Stskeeps: the description says "portrait mode" so I'd guess so. |
17:34.30 | timeless_mbp | does anyone know him? |
17:34.59 | javispedro | I do not; it has published some code so I think he's serious. |
17:35.02 | javispedro | *he. |
17:35.02 | timeless_mbp | google basically says "yes, he's a russian" |
17:35.47 | timeless_mbp | no license in the SCM afaict |
17:36.14 | timeless_mbp | yay, more crashy im code |
17:36.32 | timeless_mbp | could we please stop letting people who can't write safe code write im modules? |
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17:36.34 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
17:36.44 | timeless_mbp | from the "i don't know C" highlights real |
17:36.51 | timeless_mbp | s/real/reel/ |
17:37.19 | timeless_mbp | oh cute |
17:37.25 | timeless_mbp | and it reallocs each time |
17:37.26 | timeless_mbp | nice |
17:37.46 | timeless_mbp | from the "who cares about performance in code everyone uses" highlights |
17:38.05 | javispedro | timeless: I hope you stay away from my libicd-network-wpa code :) |
17:38.18 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
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17:38.30 | timeless_mbp | do you want to improve your code quality? |
17:38.35 | RST38h | ok, I have found more info on the HIM plugin guy |
17:38.40 | javispedro | no, I want it to work. |
17:38.42 | timeless_mbp | some people try to improve their spoken/written language |
17:38.45 | javispedro | which already does. |
17:38.46 | javispedro | :) |
17:38.54 | timeless_mbp | sells javispedro an "it" |
17:39.22 | mgedmin | that's scary code |
17:39.56 | javispedro | goes see bugzilla to see if missing PAP support was FiF |
17:40.06 | timeless_mbp | his Keyboard class also leaks his layouts array |
17:40.12 | RST38h | He is a Motorola hacker |
17:40.18 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: really? |
17:40.20 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
17:40.35 | Firebird | can't remember how to find a point a set distance away, perpendicular to a line |
17:40.36 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i'm not saying we don't need a halfscreen keyboard |
17:40.40 | timeless_mbp | the browser team desperately wants it |
17:40.44 | VDVsx | Samba is also registered at garage ;) |
17:40.52 | RST38h | And a Palm hacker |
17:41.02 | javispedro | d'oh |
17:41.07 | timeless_mbp | but IMs have a history of crashing apps |
17:41.13 | timeless_mbp | and when they die, very bad things happen |
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17:41.49 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: https://garage.maemo.org/svn/tappy/LayoutSwitchKey.cpp |
17:41.55 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
17:41.59 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
17:41.59 | Luke-Jr | what's a halfscreen keyboard? |
17:42.05 | javispedro | argh. |
17:42.06 | timeless_mbp | from the "I don't speak C++" |
17:42.08 | timeless_mbp | category |
17:42.18 | javispedro | I think that's the "I know better" category. |
17:42.18 | VDVsx | nice name: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/bullshitbingo/ ;) |
17:42.34 | Luke-Jr | learned the hard way that malloc/free and new/delete don't mix |
17:42.36 | SpeedEvil | Firebird: there are an infinity of points |
17:42.48 | SpeedEvil | Firebird: do you mean normal to the middle of a line? |
17:42.49 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: is that in extras? |
17:42.53 | timeless_mbp | i need it by tomorrow |
17:43.16 | Firebird | SpeedEvil, trying to find a point that is 1 pixel away and perpendicular to a line |
17:43.18 | slonopotamus | so |
17:43.24 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, guess not, just registered at garage :) |
17:43.29 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, you're kinda qa? |
17:43.31 | javispedro | watches qgil say "planed for harmattan" and decides to upload libicd-network-wpa to garage. |
17:43.32 | timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr / javispedro : so, do either of you want to give that guy some help? |
17:43.38 | timeless_mbp | slonopotamus: i can do anything |
17:43.49 | Luke-Jr | who? what? |
17:43.53 | timeless_mbp | i can stand in for coverity |
17:43.57 | timeless_mbp | i can stand in for qa |
17:44.02 | timeless_mbp | i can stand in for management |
17:44.07 | timeless_mbp | (when i do that, i just say "no") |
17:44.14 | Luke-Jr | lol |
17:44.21 | timeless_mbp | that's my favorite... someone says "We need to do X". I "just say No!" |
17:44.22 | slonopotamus | hehe |
17:44.23 | mgedmin | is there a site like thedailywtf that is not so windows-centric? |
17:44.30 | Firebird | prods tiagofalcao |
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17:44.47 | timeless_mbp | i can stand in for localizers |
17:44.50 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, you have .deb's here: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1028 |
17:44.59 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: yeah, i saw |
17:45.07 | timeless_mbp | i'd rather install from extras :) |
17:45.31 | timeless_mbp | anyway... i need to finish translating fingrish |
17:45.41 | timeless_mbp | i'm really close to done |
17:45.45 | Luke-Jr | timeless_mbp: who are we helpign with what? |
17:45.57 | RST38h | TV shows a relaxing pseudo-documentary about the eventual death of human artifacts once humanity dies out |
17:45.58 | timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: the russian im guy |
17:46.03 | timeless_mbp | with basic C and C++ |
17:46.08 | Luke-Jr | oh |
17:46.10 | timeless_mbp | things like "new and free don't mix" |
17:46.18 | timeless_mbp | and "realloc is not a normal function, you have to pay attention" |
17:46.24 | Luke-Jr | it's not? O.o |
17:46.26 | timeless_mbp | and "please don't crash when you run out of memory" |
17:46.33 | RST38h | wonders if this wonderful piece of tv programming is paid off by the Tentacled One |
17:46.42 | Luke-Jr | speaking of which, is there a C++ equivalent to realloc? |
17:47.32 | RST38h | Luke: no |
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17:47.45 | RST38h | in fact, I would suggest against using realloc in C |
17:47.46 | timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: using a vector class that does the right thing automatically? |
17:47.50 | Firebird | SpeedEvil, ignore the bad hand writing >_>, http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/1211/examplep.jpg |
17:47.58 | Luke-Jr | timeless_mbp: at what cost? ;) |
17:48.06 | timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: not ****ing up? |
17:48.10 | simula | heh |
17:48.20 | javispedro | heh, I'd prefer to let the guy make a public announcement first. |
17:48.27 | Macer | irssi says Lag: 3.66 |
17:48.30 | Macer | haha |
17:48.31 | mgedmin | remembers an article in Dr. Dobb's about "checking malloc() return value is pointless; all OSes overcommit and you get page faults when OOM happens" |
17:48.35 | Macer | that's rather exact |
17:48.36 | slonopotamus | if you're out of mem, your app is likely to be killed by oom killer anyway |
17:48.42 | javispedro | polishing the code before public announcements is something I used to do. |
17:48.42 | timeless_mbp | mgedmin: which is BS |
17:48.47 | ShadowJK | Openbsd's malloc implementation has a knob that makes every realloc() use memmove() :) |
17:48.48 | timeless_mbp | windows will gladly return 0 |
17:49.21 | SpeedEvil | (afk - eating ##math or wait) |
17:49.28 | Luke-Jr | mgedmin: you can't bet on that though ;) |
17:49.33 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: what, it asserts that people don't expect the pointer to change location? |
17:49.37 | javispedro | timeless, yeah, but as slonopotamus said, once malloc returns 0 it's just a few seconds until OoM kills you |
17:49.46 | mgedmin | did not mean to imply that he agreed with that article |
17:49.46 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: BS |
17:49.49 | javispedro | so, unless you're writing system code.. |
17:49.52 | Luke-Jr | if you could, just malloc(100 MB) for everything and let the OS sort out sizes ;) |
17:49.53 | javispedro | or prio code... |
17:49.55 | ShadowJK | Timeless: no it defragments the heap! ;) |
17:50.18 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: really, i've run windows on systems and reached 0 free |
17:50.22 | timeless_mbp | my apps did not generally die |
17:50.27 | javispedro | windows has a OoM killer? |
17:50.31 | suihkulokki | javispedro: if you are spaping heavily, the few seconds could be few hours :P |
17:50.31 | timeless_mbp | there were some kernel modules that were not so lucky |
17:50.36 | timeless_mbp | but those were bugs |
17:50.43 | timeless_mbp | (not microsoft modules) |
17:51.01 | timeless_mbp | well, there was one terminal services module which was buggy, but the os didn't die |
17:51.05 | timeless_mbp | just the service :) |
17:51.08 | Luke-Jr | Linux's OOM killer can be disabled as well |
17:51.19 | timeless_mbp | and really should be |
17:51.21 | javispedro | at least, in the pieces of code I'm currently touching (not mine's), usually the OoM kills the process even before mallocs returning 0. |
17:51.25 | Luke-Jr | I think OpenVZ disables it |
17:51.26 | timeless_mbp | otherwise ... well, just wait for your n900 |
17:51.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: overcommit is mainly Linux "feature" |
17:51.31 | Luke-Jr | and returns 0 instead of overcommitting |
17:51.32 | timeless_mbp | then you can enjoy swapping to death |
17:51.38 | RST38h | mgedmin: Windows returns 0 |
17:51.42 | ShadowJK | And if you disable overcomitt entirely you'll get 0 way before oom |
17:52.02 | javispedro | is used to PalmOS. Out of memory was a fatal condition. Malloc did not return 0, it crashed right away. |
17:52.09 | ShadowJK | On tablet swapping to SD is so slow the watchdog kills you before you run out :) |
17:52.09 | Luke-Jr | O.o;; |
17:52.17 | derf | RST38h: Overcommit is a feature of every fork-based Unix. |
17:52.24 | derf | Except Solaris. |
17:52.29 | Luke-Jr | actually, I thought in most cases Windows would increase swap file size and use it |
17:52.31 | timeless_mbp | derf: optional |
17:52.36 | RST38h | derf: yea, but not Windows it seems |
17:52.44 | mgedmin | wonders if the N900 will come with a factory-configured swap file of 768 MiB |
17:52.46 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, you can disable it |
17:52.49 | timeless_mbp | Luke-Jr: what windows actually does is slightly differently |
17:52.55 | RST38h | derf: And even on Unix, Maemo is the first system that I have seen using it on regular basis |
17:53.00 | timeless_mbp | it will pause a userspace app while it tries to grow the swap file |
17:53.03 | derf | Solaris will happily fail to exec ls if the parent process is using half the RAM. |
17:53.07 | timeless_mbp | but kernelland stuff don't get that |
17:53.10 | timeless_mbp | they just have to deal |
17:53.12 | RST38h | derf: probably just isn't enabled in regular unix desktops or something |
17:53.12 | ShadowJK | Rst38h: using what? |
17:53.27 | slonopotamus | timeless_mbp, so, can you tell me, what's bad in my code? http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;hb=HEAD |
17:53.27 | derf | (or at least it would until they re-implemented exec to use their own custom vfork syscall) |
17:53.28 | RST38h | Shadow: you will laugh |
17:53.29 | timeless_mbp | overcommit |
17:54.01 | derf | RST38h: Overcommit is definitely enabled by default. |
17:54.10 | Luke-Jr | derf: exec doesn't fork ;) |
17:54.12 | ShadowJK | Overcommit is enabled by default on linux |
17:54.24 | derf | In fact, IIRC the documentation warns you against Very Bad Things if you disable it. |
17:54.32 | Luke-Jr | derf: and you're talking about CoW more than overcommit I think |
17:54.32 | RST38h | has not used Linux until he was forced to use Linux to install Maemo SDK |
17:54.50 | RST38h | Shadow: Maemo File Dialog grossly overcommits |
17:54.59 | RST38h | Shadow: Asks for 110MB+ |
17:55.09 | RST38h | Shadow: Actually, there is a tracker for that :) |
17:55.25 | javispedro | wow, you remember the bug# or keywords, RST38h? |
17:55.43 | RST38h | a moment |
17:56.38 | javispedro | once tried to benchmark memory usage of java vms.. until realizing that the first time he called a hildon file dialog memory went +100MiB up. |
17:56.53 | javispedro | something his "benchmark" was doing. |
17:57.16 | RST38h | no |
17:57.42 | javispedro | np, i'll search if i am later interested :) |
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17:59.02 | RST38h | javis: No, cannot locate it :( |
17:59.09 | derf | Luke-Jr: It's the same mechanism used to do both. |
17:59.53 | RST38h | Survey Reveals Consumers Don't Want To Pay More Than $99 For An eReader |
18:00.01 | RST38h | (anybody surprised?) |
18:00.10 | derf | I'm surprised anyone wants an eReader. |
18:00.16 | javispedro | Totally useful survey. |
18:00.36 | derf | I thought we lived in an age of "general purpose" computing. |
18:00.38 | javispedro | Survey Reveals Consumer Would Want The eReader Only If Given For Free. |
18:00.50 | javispedro | there! and I didn't do any research. |
18:01.19 | RST38h | derf: If you give me a general purpose computer that is 0.25" thick, weights 100g, and presents me with a book-sized screen, I am all for it |
18:01.29 | RST38h | derf: Oh, do not forget 1-week battery life |
18:01.45 | RST38h | derf: Before that happens, I want a book reader. Or, rather, a plain book :) |
18:01.46 | javispedro | the eReader gets such battery life? |
18:01.54 | RST38h | gets longer |
18:02.04 | RST38h | it only spends power when turning pages |
18:02.04 | javispedro | last time I saw, they were not even entering any kind of power save mode between page flips. |
18:02.16 | RST38h | supposed too |
18:02.20 | derf | I'll just take an Nxx0, thanks. |
18:02.47 | javispedro | just put a custom os on it, it's one of the appliances that is screaming for it. |
18:02.55 | javispedro | and _shut_ the cpu down between page flips. |
18:03.12 | javispedro | and remove the power button. |
18:04.17 | simula | if the screen is active, a power button is good :) |
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18:04.51 | javispedro | it's only there to avoid user confusion. the screen requires no power at all, can keep the image for a few months. |
18:05.11 | javispedro | (and, of course, to power on/off the totally useless linux computer that comes with the reader, wasting power) |
18:05.25 | simula | ok, not an active screen... sounds good |
18:05.54 | javispedro | yeah, if we're talking about the Sony eReader, which uses eInk,. |
18:10.18 | pillar | I am just trying to port qt app for maemo which uses network connection. I got it running on scratchbox, but the network connection is really slow. I am wondering whether it is a feature or something wrong? It does create an error message in scratchbox: QMaemoInternetConnectivity has received an error message. Name: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" Message: "The name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service files" |
18:11.19 | javispedro | wonders when will Nokia oss icd2. |
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18:14.45 | mgedmin | isn't Nokia killing icd2 and replacing it with connman? |
18:14.59 | javispedro | mgedmin, not in fremantle at least. |
18:15.38 | Macer | yawn |
18:15.44 | javispedro | pillar, the dbus warning message "is a feature". The slowness, that I don't know. |
18:16.58 | pillar | javis, ok - just wondering since I have a 110mbit connection and 4kb get request takes like 5-10 seconds.. |
18:18.53 | Macer | hm |
18:19.33 | slonopotamus_ | timeless_mbp, suddenly got disconnected :/ |
18:20.39 | Macer | haha |
18:20.44 | Macer | i'm watching lazytown with my son |
18:20.53 | Macer | and they show a configure script running when he says "compile" |
18:20.59 | mgedmin | oooh |
18:21.56 | javispedro | heh |
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18:24.25 | johnsq | Hi |
18:25.33 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, hi! how's gentoo + mp3? |
18:26.01 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: I don't know, not time to look. |
18:26.09 | johnsq | s/not/no/ |
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18:34.00 | Macer | wel. i updated my opensolaris server and it stopped randomly freezing |
18:34.04 | Macer | guess it was a software bug |
18:34.17 | Macer | i don't even know what was causing it |
18:35.08 | Luke-Jr | OMFG |
18:35.15 | Luke-Jr | just typed on my Zaurus to shut it down for the move |
18:35.35 | Stskeeps | and you wrote killall humans? |
18:35.38 | Luke-Jr | no |
18:35.39 | Macer | haha |
18:35.41 | Luke-Jr | I'm just in awe |
18:35.44 | Luke-Jr | of the awesome keyboard |
18:35.52 | Luke-Jr | I wish I could use it for my N810 |
18:35.54 | Luke-Jr | â¹ |
18:37.00 | Stskeeps | synergy? |
18:37.11 | Luke-Jr | seriously, Zaurus kb is good enough I could forget my desktop |
18:37.25 | Macer | Luke-Jr: the n810 kb is horrible |
18:37.26 | Macer | :) |
18:37.32 | Macer | what kind of zarus do you have? |
18:37.49 | Luke-Jr | SL-C760 |
18:38.41 | Macer | wtf |
18:38.46 | Macer | you buy it in japan or something? :) |
18:38.52 | Luke-Jr | imported it via HK |
18:38.55 | Macer | oh |
18:38.55 | simula | that thing's keyboard is massive! |
18:38.56 | Luke-Jr | it is SWEET |
18:39.03 | Luke-Jr | simula: very comfortable |
18:39.20 | Luke-Jr | 64 MB RAM is a killer tho :/ |
18:39.24 | simula | looks more like a netbook ;) |
18:39.35 | Macer | what are you running on it? |
18:39.38 | Luke-Jr | simula: my goal is the most powerful open device I can have in my pocket ;) |
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18:39.47 | Luke-Jr | Macer: custom Angstrom build |
18:39.57 | Luke-Jr | I don't actively use it anymore since the battery is fried |
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18:41.06 | Macer | can't find a new battery for it? |
18:41.11 | Macer | figured they should be pretty easy to find |
18:41.33 | Macer | i never had a big spot in my heart for a zarus :) i just thought it was like palm type crap |
18:41.56 | lcuk | http://vimeo.com/6417194 o_O |
18:42.15 | wirelessdreamer | none of the Zaurus models had wifi in them, thats why I stopped using mine, couldn't find a cf bt/wifi card |
18:42.19 | Luke-Jr | Macer: I assume I'd need to import a new battery |
18:42.29 | Luke-Jr | but yeah, no wifi, old CPU, practically no RAM... |
18:42.34 | wirelessdreamer | 3xxx series was nice, usb host, great display |
18:42.36 | Macer | Luke-Jr: would be a waste of time ;) |
18:42.41 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: I got a 802.11b CF for $20 |
18:42.41 | wirelessdreamer | no opengles =( |
18:42.54 | wirelessdreamer | yea, but couldn't get a wifi and bt in the same one |
18:42.56 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: no OpenGL on Nokia tablet either |
18:42.57 | Luke-Jr | so far |
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18:43.12 | wirelessdreamer | isn't the clutter stuff using opengles? |
18:43.14 | Macer | Luke-Jr: touchbook has opengl ;) |
18:43.16 | Macer | hw accelerated |
18:43.19 | Macer | wonder how they pulled that off |
18:43.28 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: dunno about N900, either way it's closed so useless to me |
18:43.28 | Macer | i guess closed ti drivers for the omap gpu? |
18:43.53 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: s3c6410 has open 3D accel I think |
18:43.56 | Luke-Jr | at least in development |
18:43.57 | wirelessdreamer | n900's opengles clutter libs should be open to all |
18:44.00 | javispedro | somebody mentioned 3d drivers!! |
18:44.11 | Luke-Jr | I wish someone made a Zaurus-like handheld with that |
18:44.20 | wirelessdreamer | pandora |
18:44.23 | lcuk | is still blown away about onedotzero |
18:44.26 | Macer | hahaha |
18:44.27 | wirelessdreamer | but no cell network support |
18:44.31 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
18:44.36 | Luke-Jr | Pandora kb is Zaurus like? |
18:44.36 | Macer | wirelessdreamer: did they even release pandora yet? |
18:44.38 | Macer | :) |
18:44.41 | wirelessdreamer | yes |
18:44.44 | Luke-Jr | and no, Pandora is OMAP 3 IIRC |
18:44.46 | Macer | wow really? |
18:44.46 | Luke-Jr | not s3c6410 |
18:44.47 | wirelessdreamer | almost sold out of first patch already |
18:44.56 | wirelessdreamer | *batch |
18:45.00 | Macer | wirelessdreamer: heh. amazing |
18:45.04 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: isn't Pandora OMAP3? |
18:45.08 | wirelessdreamer | yup |
18:45.12 | Macer | touchbook first batch was sold out before they even came out |
18:45.16 | Macer | i'm waiting on the sep batch :( |
18:45.19 | Macer | i hope i make the cut |
18:45.20 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: so not s3c6410 :þ |
18:45.26 | wirelessdreamer | If I could us pandora as a phone i'd of got one, I hate carrying 2 devices |
18:45.36 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: bluetooth? |
18:45.45 | Luke-Jr | stick it in a pocket and forget about it? |
18:45.51 | Macer | heh |
18:45.57 | Macer | i use my phone as a mdoem only |
18:46.06 | lcuk | btw, the video was a bit of liqbase on n900! http://vimeo.com/6417194 |
18:46.11 | Macer | i hardly ever talk on it. usually i just use my n810 with skype over tmob's 3G |
18:46.13 | wirelessdreamer | yea it has bt also |
18:46.21 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: website shows no sign of release |
18:46.41 | Macer | Luke-Jr: heh. maybe it's a hk knockoff pandora |
18:46.51 | Macer | like pandoraa |
18:46.52 | wirelessdreamer | read When and where can I buy it? in the middle column |
18:47.06 | Macer | wirelessdreamer: actual humans have received them right? |
18:47.07 | Macer | :) |
18:47.12 | Macer | it's not like "we have sent out our batch" |
18:47.28 | Macer | always innovating said that.. and nobody started to receive them for like 5 weeks after they said they were doing it |
18:47.40 | wirelessdreamer | I was going off that line on the page. |
18:47.44 | Macer | finally i think 6 weeks later |
18:47.50 | Macer | someone actually got one heh |
18:48.04 | Macer | wirelessdreamer: i honeslty doubt people have been getting them |
18:48.39 | Macer | anyways. have to take a nap while my son is asleep taking his before i get no sleep for the entire day |
18:48.47 | javispedro | Macer, some humans have them. But currently, I'd say it's like the current N900 situtation. |
18:48.52 | javispedro | Some "key" humans got them. |
18:49.10 | wirelessdreamer | I want to find a human that can confirm tmobile will be supporting the n900 |
18:49.16 | wirelessdreamer | =P |
18:49.34 | Macer | the current n900 situation? |
18:49.40 | Macer | wirelessdreamer: haha |
18:49.48 | Macer | their radio specs say so |
18:49.51 | Macer | but who knwos |
18:49.58 | mandara | wshssht :) |
18:50.21 | wirelessdreamer | I put off getting a pre when I read about the n900, almost the perfect device |
18:50.26 | Macer | javispedro: i don't understand what you mean by the "current n900 situation" |
18:50.36 | Macer | almost/! |
18:50.38 | Macer | ?! |
18:50.38 | javispedro | Macer: that everyone has one except us :) |
18:50.43 | Macer | javispedro: haha |
18:50.45 | wazd_ | YES! |
18:50.51 | wazd_ | I SAW THAT! |
18:51.05 | wazd_ | Space around the screen is touchable too |
18:51.10 | wazd_ | 100% |
18:51.14 | wirelessdreamer | Macer: If the software stack were more open, and shipped with usb host support |
18:51.14 | javispedro | wazd_, confirmed? |
18:51.15 | simula | javsipedro... reps say that they will be ready for US pre-orders in about a week |
18:51.16 | wazd_ | http://vimeo.com/6417194 |
18:51.17 | wirelessdreamer | then it'd be perfect |
18:51.19 | javispedro | I got that impression from the browser video. |
18:51.39 | wazd_ | check the video, when he launches menu, he clearly slides on the case, not the screen |
18:51.49 | Macer | simula: didn't they say that a year ago? |
18:51.52 | wirelessdreamer | simula: not a mean joke? =P |
18:51.53 | Macer | or are you talking about the n900? |
18:51.54 | lcuk | lol |
18:51.55 | Macer | :) |
18:51.56 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: personally, I'd be happy with just the drivers being open |
18:52.02 | Macer | thought you were talking about pandora |
18:52.08 | javispedro | in the ui interaction video, jussi does a gesture from the outside of the screen into the screen too. |
18:52.11 | lcuk | i guess i dont have to keep it a secret any more :) |
18:52.16 | simula | i'm talking about the n900 :) |
18:52.17 | wirelessdreamer | I'll be happy as long as we have access to opengles :) |
18:52.34 | lcuk | you guys ready for one of my videos? |
18:52.43 | wirelessdreamer | full speed psx emulator and user made clutter apps |
18:52.45 | javispedro | wirelessdreamer, know any ogles2 app I could try to upload to extras? |
18:53.00 | wirelessdreamer | javispedro: download the clutter toybox apps |
18:53.04 | wirelessdreamer | build any of them |
18:53.08 | javispedro | simpler than a emu, for now, i just wanna find an excuse to upload any :) |
18:53.21 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: the bug is madplay, which use plughw:0,0 as default device and didn't allow to overwrite it through commandline. |
18:53.23 | javispedro | clutter, erm.. |
18:53.37 | wirelessdreamer | I did some clutter coding a few months ago, pretty simple to make nice apps |
18:53.47 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, other players work? |
18:54.01 | wirelessdreamer | anyone know if they are gpl compliant with the kernel? |
18:54.01 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: just searching other player |
18:54.08 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, try uncommenting back that section in asound.conf |
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18:54.22 | wirelessdreamer | I'd really like to try and rebuild with rt patches and have jackd running ;) |
18:54.53 | wirelessdreamer | 4ms latency would make it the perfect pocket device, realtime midi synth |
18:55.20 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, or it's hardcoded in sources? |
18:55.32 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: its hardcoded in madplay |
18:57.02 | radic_ | argh |
18:57.11 | radic_ | any idiot registerd my nick |
18:57.32 | wazd_ | I guess Vlad is the only man that doesn't have n900 after all |
18:57.46 | javispedro | welcomes him to the club. |
18:58.03 | wazd_ | javispedro: no, I mean, Fremantle stars of something :) |
18:58.08 | johnsq | wirelessdreamer: any midi synth which is usable? |
18:58.26 | wirelessdreamer | I'd like to get hydrogen and qsynth running on it |
18:58.29 | javispedro | wazd_, oh, I though they were for fremantle stars owners? |
18:58.34 | javispedro | maybe _he_ has one and isn't telling you. |
18:58.37 | javispedro | ;) |
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18:58.50 | wazd_ | javispedro: no way :D |
18:59.12 | Stskeeps | prolly under nda |
18:59.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps has one too :P |
18:59.30 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: no nda can hold friendship :) |
18:59.34 | Luke-Jr | wirelessdreamer: N810 was GPL compliant technically I think |
18:59.44 | javispedro | Luke-Jr, you're forgetting about MAC. |
18:59.49 | javispedro | Wi-Fi stack. |
18:59.55 | Luke-Jr | oh, right |
19:00.01 | johnsq | wirelessdreamer: aha hydrogen sounds good. |
19:00.04 | Stskeeps | stlc45xx.. |
19:00.05 | Luke-Jr | I got mine after stlc45xx driver |
19:00.25 | Luke-Jr | so maybe they won't be :/ |
19:00.39 | Stskeeps | wazd_: but friendship vs able to use a n900.. |
19:00.40 | Luke-Jr | meh, I try to be positive about Nokia and someone proves me wrong |
19:00.42 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
19:00.51 | wirelessdreamer | I'd really like to not only be able to edit and listen to loops on the way to/from work, but use it for live midi data from my electric set at home. hence rt patches for ~4ms latency |
19:00.58 | javispedro | *evil grin* :) |
19:01.00 | wirelessdreamer | I just don't know how tested rt/jack are with arm |
19:01.24 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: heh, would you lie to a friend for n900? :D |
19:02.12 | Stskeeps | wazd, i am a sociopath so maybe :P |
19:02.25 | Luke-Jr | I might for N900 hardware specifications ;) |
19:02.30 | Luke-Jr | j/k ;p |
19:02.53 | Luke-Jr | I would just be really picky to ensure the NDA lets me solve the problem |
19:02.54 | javispedro | Luke-Jr, then go to finland and pretend to be a nokia or texas i. employee ;P |
19:02.59 | VDVsx | javispedro, join #idonthaveann900 ;) I'm already there :P |
19:03.13 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: well, on the other hand friend doesn't have FM transmitter... |
19:03.16 | Luke-Jr | javispedro: I'm a political prisoner of the socialist state of Nebraska... |
19:03.43 | VDVsx | join #idonthaveann900 |
19:03.47 | VDVsx | lol |
19:04.01 | javispedro | joined the club already, after trying to type it a few times |
19:04.14 | VDVsx | lol |
19:04.26 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping |
19:04.28 | timeless_mbp | or someone |
19:04.36 | wazd_ | VDVsx: #Ivemadeloadsofstuffbuttheyfuckedmeup :D |
19:04.38 | timeless_mbp | please take your handy n800/n810/n900 |
19:04.43 | timeless_mbp | and run Notes or Sketch |
19:04.55 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: done |
19:05.50 | wazd_ | Can I have the prize? :D |
19:05.50 | timeless_mbp | trigger the "open" dialog |
19:05.50 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: aaand?) |
19:05.50 | timeless_mbp | browse to the "Audio clips" folder |
19:05.57 | timeless_mbp | what do you see? |
19:05.57 | wazd_ | Sounds? |
19:05.59 | VDVsx | wazd_, join the club :) |
19:06.00 | timeless_mbp | sure |
19:06.11 | wazd_ | (no notes) |
19:06.18 | timeless_mbp | ok, go to file manager |
19:06.23 | timeless_mbp | and go to the sounds folder |
19:06.31 | timeless_mbp | create a new folder there called "hello world" |
19:06.43 | timeless_mbp | now go back to the notes file picker |
19:06.51 | timeless_mbp | and look at the sounds folder |
19:07.09 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: already said that lates firefox runs? |
19:07.53 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: well, Hello world 0 items |
19:08.10 | timeless_mbp | "0 items"? |
19:08.19 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: sub text |
19:08.24 | timeless_mbp | oh right |
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19:08.35 | lcuk | o_O |
19:08.36 | timeless_mbp | sorry, it's been a while since i used that |
19:08.38 | timeless_mbp | ok... |
19:08.47 | timeless_mbp | now select the hello world folder |
19:08.50 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, nope. cool :) how much swap used? |
19:09.03 | timeless_mbp | the question is basically: "What value is there in '(no notes)'? " |
19:09.28 | wirelessdreamer | if nokia world is where the big announcements happen . . . I want to hear when tmobile will pick it up, or hear them yell at tmobile for not picking it up, some kind of closure |
19:09.30 | mgedmin | you know that there are no notes in that folder |
19:09.38 | johnsq | slonopotamus_: i haven't looked, how much used. I have 256M swap made. |
19:09.42 | mgedmin | if all you saw was a blank area, you'd maybe think the folder is just slow loading |
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19:10.01 | wazd_ | timeless_mbp: well, it can contain stuff but no notes |
19:10.03 | javispedro | (empty folder) should appear if folder is empty, (no notes) if there are files but no notes. |
19:10.21 | javispedro | or that's what I'd like it to do. |
19:10.35 | slonopotamus_ | johnsq, post photos so ppl feel the power of gentoo :) |
19:11.01 | lcuk | why do i keep getting kicked from #idonthaveann900 |
19:11.20 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, call in there |
19:11.29 | timeless_mbp | ? |
19:11.36 | lcuk | look at the chan name |
19:11.40 | lcuk | the bastards keep kicking me out |
19:11.45 | simula | heh |
19:11.54 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: the code won't be doing that |
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19:12.06 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't distinguish between empty and filter matched nothing |
19:12.48 | timeless_mbp | the question is then, what value is there in showing a distinction between "yes you can see folders here" and "you couldn't see folders here, so we told you there were no files or no matching files here" |
19:13.21 | Luke-Jr | johnsq has N900 with Gentoo? |
19:13.49 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: no i will buy n900 when its prices is <150Euro |
19:14.55 | timeless_mbp | pokes lcuk et al |
19:15.11 | lcuk | waves |
19:15.21 | lcuk | did they kick you an all |
19:15.39 | ShadowJK | hm. someone uploaded a broken opevpn update |
19:15.42 | ShadowJK | openvpn* |
19:16.37 | javispedro | ShadowJK, saw that. That is one of my worst fears when "taking over" a package. |
19:16.40 | javispedro | this was not my fault. |
19:16.55 | javispedro | In fact I don't know who is the new maintainer. |
19:18.04 | mgedmin | is there a #idonthaveann900yet? |
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19:20.30 | timeless_mbp | pokes lcuk again |
19:20.43 | lcuk | mm |
19:21.00 | timeless_mbp | are users really unable to recognize there's nothing to poke? |
19:21.10 | timeless_mbp | i really can't see how the string helps |
19:21.21 | javispedro | well, i wouldn't remove it either. |
19:21.35 | timeless_mbp | i'm seriously considering removing it |
19:21.44 | javispedro | then show an empty box? |
19:21.55 | timeless_mbp | effectively, yes |
19:22.05 | javispedro | well.... |
19:22.18 | javispedro | goes find a gnome hig author so that he kills timeless |
19:23.08 | javispedro | actually, nautilus shows an empty box. |
19:23.24 | timeless_mbp | well that backfired ;-) |
19:23.39 | javispedro | but unlike hildon, nautilus has proper progress feedback |
19:24.08 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
19:24.12 | timeless_mbp | yeah well um |
19:24.22 | timeless_mbp | that just means that right now we lie for a while |
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19:24.33 | timeless_mbp | i'd rather say nothing and update |
19:24.45 | timeless_mbp | than actively lie for a short interval |
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19:39.51 | kirma | can someone point me to ARM Cortex-A8 document that describes pipelines in detail? strangely enough, TRM refers to pipeline stages in many places, but doesn't have a proper diagrams of all stages etc... |
19:42.16 | wazd | timeless_mbp: you work on browsr, right? |
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19:45.31 | timeless_mbp | yes |
19:45.37 | timeless_mbp | MicroB :) |
19:45.51 | wazd | timeless_mbp: well, on n900 too?) |
19:45.57 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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19:46.07 | timeless_mbp | although officially, that's the "Maemo Browser" |
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19:46.09 | timeless_mbp | don't ask me why |
19:46.40 | wazd | timeless_mbp: I have a solution to consier, that replaces that kind of silly circle zoom :) |
19:46.58 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
19:47.06 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, while i personally objected to its introduction |
19:47.09 | timeless_mbp | it has grown on me |
19:47.10 | johnsq | slonopotamus: mpg321 -o alsa /mnt/tmp/mp3/ works |
19:47.11 | wazd | timeless_mbp: what, it was your idea?)) |
19:47.17 | timeless_mbp | nope |
19:47.22 | timeless_mbp | i didn't like it at all :) |
19:48.29 | johnsq | the n810 has loud speakers |
19:48.43 | wazd | johnsq: thanks, Cap :) |
19:48.44 | timeless_mbp | so does the n900 :) |
19:49.25 | johnsq | timeless_mbp: but i get 4 n810 for 1 n900 :9 |
19:49.47 | wazd | johnsq: and 8 770 :) |
19:49.54 | johnsq | than i can play 7.1 |
19:50.14 | wazd | or 32 3310 :D |
19:54.29 | ShadowJK | hm |
19:54.40 | ShadowJK | did/does anyone use zoom on n810's microb? |
19:54.55 | timeless_mbp | yes |
19:55.04 | timeless_mbp | but keep in mind that you can play flash videos in the browser |
19:55.09 | timeless_mbp | so doing stuff like that was a disaster |
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19:55.26 | Captain_Picard | awww n900 will be relased :( later in october |
19:55.32 | timeless_mbp | eh? |
19:55.33 | Captain_Picard | and not in the beginning |
19:55.43 | Captain_Picard | :(( |
19:55.56 | suihkulokki | <PROTECTED> |
19:56.12 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
19:56.26 | ShadowJK | I used to use zoom in chinook, but then it's limited to 80% in diablo |
19:56.34 | ShadowJK | so now you need to save images and open in image viewer instead :) |
19:56.46 | ShadowJK | I've never really had a need to zoom in, do people do that? |
19:58.24 | ShadowJK | how far out can you zoom in maemo5? :) |
19:59.19 | kirma | I understand what's branch mispredict penalty... but what on earth is "replay penalty" ? |
19:59.27 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i'm not sure we have a limit |
19:59.52 | kirma | recovery after exception or something? |
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20:00.14 | suihkulokki | kirma try #beagle for arm gurus |
20:00.28 | kirma | hmmh |
20:00.38 | wdehoog | hi, anybody knows if XTestFakeMotionEvent (from Xtst) is supposed to work on maemo? |
20:01.06 | lbt | I just built cross-gcc on the OBS :) |
20:01.10 | lbt | is chuffed |
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20:03.42 | lbt | just told Denise and she wants me to build a happy-gcc <grin> |
20:04.05 | timeless_mbp | seems to be something like 80% sadly |
20:04.15 | timeless_mbp | at least, when i try to zoom out on a nasa image |
20:04.20 | timeless_mbp | i can't get a remotely useful overview |
20:05.09 | timeless_mbp | not sure why |
20:05.25 | ShadowJK | :/ |
20:05.32 | timeless_mbp | generally overviews aren't particularly useful |
20:05.44 | timeless_mbp | in my case, i could view just the image and it'd default to fit to screen |
20:05.50 | timeless_mbp | tapping it would give me 100% |
20:06.02 | timeless_mbp | fit to screen in this case is probably something like 10% zoom |
20:06.04 | ShadowJK | Ah fit to screen is back? |
20:06.10 | timeless_mbp | for images? |
20:06.17 | timeless_mbp | when loaded standalone? |
20:06.17 | ShadowJK | yes |
20:06.18 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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20:06.23 | timeless_mbp | was it missing? |
20:06.42 | ShadowJK | Yes it's missing in diablo |
20:07.13 | toggles_w | :n |
20:07.21 | ShadowJK | iirc it's in bugzilla with "not in ui spec" or something :) |
20:07.25 | ShadowJK | but i could remember wrong |
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20:10.28 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
20:10.32 | timeless_mbp | ok, so um |
20:10.40 | timeless_mbp | this doesn't make any sense |
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20:12.05 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: teasing us? |
20:12.13 | lcuk | lol |
20:12.15 | lcuk | no |
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20:12.22 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: teasing *you*? ;) |
20:12.24 | lcuk | VDVsx_N920 started it |
20:12.32 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, did u see the odd video :P |
20:12.38 | johnsq | slonopotamus: firefox 3.5.2 40mb res |
20:12.45 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: No, linky please :) |
20:13.00 | VDVsx_N920 | qwerty12_N810, did you got yours already ? |
20:13.01 | lcuk | http://vimeo.com/6417194 |
20:13.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Bollocks... N810 sucks ass when it comes to Vimeo |
20:13.37 | VDVsx_N920 | use your n900 |
20:13.53 | lcuk | just a min then |
20:14.00 | Macer | damn |
20:14.01 | lcuk | VDVsx_N920, wheres the yt link |
20:14.03 | ShadowJK | sadly flash on N810 is more reliable than flash on my desktop :/ |
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20:14.10 | Macer | sure am glad my opensolaris server is working again |
20:14.11 | ShadowJK | it has died again waiting for me to reboot firefox :/ |
20:14.12 | javispedro | VDVsx_N920, I wander off for a few minutes and you all get a n900. |
20:14.22 | VDVsx_N920 | http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/index.php/2009/09/03/first-creative-application-of-n900/ |
20:14.26 | Macer | i need to work on it a bit more but that can wait |
20:14.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks |
20:14.39 | VDVsx_N920 | javispedro, no Javi |
20:14.51 | VDVsx_N920 | javispedro, I got an n920 |
20:15.30 | Macer | VDVsx_N920: too bad i don't have flash on my debian box |
20:15.31 | Macer | haha |
20:15.35 | Macer | i should probably install it some day |
20:15.47 | VDVsx_N920 | ;) |
20:15.58 | Macer | flash usually is a bitch to install tho |
20:16.10 | Macer | at least on x64 |
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20:17.03 | johnsq | slonopotamus: mpd works out of the box |
20:17.55 | javispedro | forgets about the nonn900 channel name |
20:18.43 | VDVsx | #idonthaveann900 |
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20:23.14 | MaceN8x0 | ugh |
20:23.25 | MaceN8x0 | need to get my son to take a nap |
20:23.48 | MaceN8x0 | gives him a bottle of rum |
20:23.50 | ShellEvil | brandy! |
20:23.55 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:23.57 | ShellEvil | No - rum is bad for kids. |
20:23.59 | ShellEvil | :) |
20:24.02 | MaceN8x0 | hahaha |
20:24.06 | MaceN8x0 | so is brandy |
20:24.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Ganja |
20:24.29 | MaceN8x0 | "When did you start drinking?" "3" |
20:24.36 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
20:25.00 | MaceN8x0 | he is tired, just doesnt want to take a nap |
20:25.20 | mavhc | 3pm? |
20:25.33 | MaceN8x0 | yeah, he will wake up at 5 |
20:25.44 | johnsq | anybody played with xdmx (distributed multihead X server?) |
20:25.51 | MaceN8x0 | otherwise he will go to sleep at 8 and wake up at 3am |
20:26.38 | MaceN8x0 | 3yr olds waking up at 3am is not cool |
20:26.38 | timeless_mbp | so... |
20:26.42 | timeless_mbp | someone was asking about gps |
20:26.49 | MaceN8x0 | gps? |
20:26.50 | timeless_mbp | i'm indoors and my n900 can get 5 satellites |
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20:26.58 | timeless_mbp | 7 |
20:26.58 | MaceN8x0 | wow |
20:27.07 | MaceN8x0 | indoors my n810 gets 0 |
20:27.11 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
20:27.19 | MaceN8x0 | -1 |
20:27.25 | timeless_mbp | and it properly gets my address |
20:27.56 | MaceN8x0 | timeless, what carrier are you using with it? |
20:28.01 | timeless_mbp | ? |
20:28.11 | MaceN8x0 | the n900 |
20:28.21 | ShadowJK | wayfinder and nokia maps (on S60) disagree by about half a kilometre or so about my address :) |
20:28.26 | timeless_mbp | elisa.fi? |
20:28.30 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
20:28.39 | ShellEvil | ShadowJK: openstreetmaps. It's the only solution. |
20:28.47 | MaceN8x0 | was just wondering about tmob support |
20:28.51 | lcuk | poenstreetmapsfromorbit you mean |
20:28.54 | ShadowJK | ShellEvil, osm thinks I'm 50 km from the nearest road ;) |
20:28.58 | lcuk | open |
20:28.58 | ShadowJK | or so |
20:29.01 | timeless_mbp | it was definitely using agps |
20:29.03 | ShellEvil | ShadowJK: you can fix that you know. |
20:29.13 | MaceN8x0 | i will be incredibly happy if it can use tmob 3G |
20:29.20 | ShellEvil | ShadowJK: It thought I was 20km from the nearest road till I told it ohterwise. |
20:29.22 | timeless_mbp | because once i turned off my phone, the accuracy dropped to nil |
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20:29.35 | timeless_mbp | oh wow |
20:29.46 | timeless_mbp | but now it has 6 satellites :) |
20:29.46 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:29.47 | javispedro | baah |
20:29.49 | ShadowJK | Wait, are you implying you're tethering it through your phone? :) |
20:29.49 | MaceN8x0 | 6 is great |
20:29.51 | timeless_mbp | 8! |
20:30.06 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: this is an n900 |
20:30.07 | MaceN8x0 | tethering an n900 through a phone? |
20:30.10 | javispedro | wonders what happened with WAAS/EGNOS |
20:30.12 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:30.20 | timeless_mbp | turning off the phone means telling it "stop talking to the cellular network" |
20:30.26 | ShadowJK | Ah, right. |
20:30.34 | javispedro | and "stop generating cancers on your brain"? |
20:30.40 | ShellEvil | javispedro: they exist. |
20:30.46 | ShadowJK | there's still wlan and bluetooth to fry your brain |
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20:30.47 | MaceN8x0 | timeless, how is battery life? |
20:30.54 | javispedro | listens carefully. |
20:31.15 | timeless_mbp | MaceN8x0: well, it lasts as long as the macbook pro to which it's plugged in has power :) |
20:31.22 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
20:31.33 | MaceN8x0 | how is it on its own battery? |
20:31.47 | ShadowJK | Uh, I guess you aren't replacing s60+mirggi for irc with n900+xchat then? :) |
20:31.56 | timeless_mbp | sorry, i haven't really tested it in any useful manner |
20:32.06 | MaceN8x0 | :-P |
20:32.06 | timeless_mbp | i didn't see xchat in the fremantle repo |
20:32.18 | timeless_mbp | but i did take away my s60's sim |
20:32.28 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:32.30 | timeless_mbp | so it's pretty much decommissioned |
20:32.41 | ShadowJK | I'm prepared... I signed up for the maximum MultiSIM from Saunalahti (right before they stopped selling it) |
20:32.43 | MaceN8x0 | symbian is dated |
20:33.04 | MaceN8x0 | the dude on nokiaworld made it sound like it was the second coming |
20:33.24 | MaceN8x0 | java crap heh |
20:34.24 | MaceN8x0 | just like android, wow what a disappointment |
20:34.33 | MaceN8x0 | google ftl |
20:34.59 | ShadowJK | MaceN8x0, it was classical nokia. "Hey look at at this previous generation product, look at it accessing yesterday's hip sites! I'm so cool I don't even know what it is." for 2 hours, with 2 minutes of "Oh, the linux nerds in the basement told me to show you this. I think it's a phone, maybe. I'll lock the basement door next time, promise" |
20:35.41 | ShadowJK | OTOH the N900 promo videos are kickass :) |
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20:36.59 | dark | How i can install the command arp for maemo |
20:37.07 | timeless_mbp | dark: you could build it in an arm scratchbox |
20:37.09 | timeless_mbp | and copy it over |
20:37.10 | dark | And which packet its more appropriate |
20:37.16 | dark | Hos |
20:37.28 | dark | How i can doo that |
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20:38.14 | mavhc | so internet tablet = test bed for linux phone |
20:39.02 | MaceN8x0 | hahahahaha |
20:39.05 | timeless_mbp | mavhc: there you go accusing a phone company of planning to make phones |
20:39.21 | dottedmag | Sorry if I'm asking something lame - last time touched Maemo when it was a OS2005. Back then it was a lot of separate repositories with various stuff of various quality, often even without source code (while required). Did any central community-managed repository emerge since? |
20:39.33 | timeless_mbp | dottedmag: mostly |
20:39.41 | timeless_mbp | there's extras and extras-devel |
20:39.57 | timeless_mbp | and most things that matter should be in extras |
20:39.58 | dark | Armel or arm |
20:39.58 | timeless_mbp | armel |
20:39.58 | dottedmag | good to hear |
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20:40.20 | dark | And the command arp |
20:40.29 | kirma | Symbian deep under the hood is not bad. but it's so deep there no external developer, or most of the internal ones either ever see it |
20:41.08 | MaceN8x0 | kirma, open source symbian? |
20:41.09 | kirma | replace all the crud on top with Qt and such, and it may well turn out to be a good replacement for S40 when chips are getting cheaper and cheaper |
20:41.14 | MaceN8x0 | lies! |
20:41.26 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:41.31 | ShadowJK | symbian does have some nice features |
20:41.37 | ShadowJK | but also big problems :) |
20:41.44 | MaceN8x0 | corperate open source, what a racket |
20:41.55 | MaceN8x0 | let people do our work for us |
20:41.57 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
20:42.26 | MaceN8x0 | talk about seemingly nice cost cutting |
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20:46.01 | johnsq | nice http://www.mattheij.com/howto_xdmx_knoppix_5.1.html |
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21:26.38 | MaceN8x0 | have to love skype on the n810 |
21:26.51 | AStorm | nope, it's missing video |
21:26.56 | MaceN8x0 | yeah |
21:26.59 | AStorm | and tends to break connection on any cpu load |
21:27.00 | MaceN8x0 | that does suck |
21:27.07 | MaceN8x0 | sure wish it supported it |
21:27.13 | MaceN8x0 | that would be awesome |
21:27.32 | AStorm | hopefully N900 has enough CPU power |
21:27.38 | AStorm | and skype 2 gets ported to ARM |
21:27.46 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:27.56 | MaceN8x0 | the n810 has enough cpu for video |
21:28.02 | AStorm | not enough |
21:28.04 | MaceN8x0 | they just dont want to use it |
21:28.11 | MaceN8x0 | works with gizmo |
21:28.22 | MaceN8x0 | cant see why skype cant use it |
21:29.35 | MaceN8x0 | gizmo sucks compared to skype tho |
21:29.38 | AStorm | it uses some weird compression algos which suck up cpu |
21:29.48 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
21:29.52 | MaceN8x0 | that sucks |
21:29.56 | AStorm | I mean skype |
21:30.06 | MaceN8x0 | yeah |
21:30.08 | AStorm | gizmo uses something cheap, I think speex and mpeg1 |
21:30.18 | lardman|home | I thought it was supposed to produce better quality though? |
21:30.33 | derf | It's not better if it doesn't actually work. |
21:30.33 | AStorm | who cares about quality when you can't run anything |
21:30.40 | MaceN8x0 | true |
21:30.41 | lardman|home | true:) |
21:30.46 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:31.23 | MaceN8x0 | i was hoping skype would work on it on the n810 |
21:31.37 | MaceN8x0 | i am sure n8x0s brought them some business |
21:31.45 | MaceN8x0 | it is the least they could do |
21:32.03 | MaceN8x0 | although the android skype lite CRAP totally blows |
21:32.29 | MaceN8x0 | no "voip" even over wifi? friggin lame |
21:32.30 | ShadowJK | Yeah.. it uses regular calls doesn't it? |
21:32.34 | derf | A 400 MHz ARM11 is really not enough to do video encoding. |
21:32.35 | lcuk | plenty of cpu on the new device (H) |
21:32.40 | MaceN8x0 | does the stupid call fwd crap |
21:32.45 | ShadowJK | derf, h261 should be fine :) |
21:32.52 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, yes |
21:33.01 | MaceN8x0 | and skype cred |
21:33.05 | MaceN8x0 | it is idiotic |
21:33.08 | derf | ShadowJK: Sure, if you didn't want to actually send it to anyone. |
21:33.15 | MaceN8x0 | i just tether my n810 and use it |
21:33.21 | MaceN8x0 | works fine that way |
21:33.24 | ShadowJK | derf, in qcif :) |
21:33.31 | AStorm | derf: wrong, it's enough |
21:33.38 | AStorm | with a weak algorithm |
21:33.39 | derf | At 7.5 fps maybe. |
21:33.50 | MaceN8x0 | 7.5 is fine |
21:33.52 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:34.02 | MaceN8x0 | better than nothing |
21:34.06 | AStorm | 5 FPS is fine even |
21:34.06 | derf | AStorm: Algorithm shmalgorithm, it's barely enough for a motion search. |
21:34.16 | AStorm | use DSP |
21:34.24 | ShadowJK | There was that developers claiming he had 1080p h264 working on omap3. He strategically neglected to mention the fps :-) |
21:34.31 | AStorm | and don't waste CPU on G.711 voice encoding |
21:34.33 | MaceN8x0 | hahaha |
21:34.42 | MaceN8x0 | 2fps? ;) |
21:34.42 | derf | ShadowJK: Encoding is much harder than decoding. |
21:34.47 | ShadowJK | yes |
21:35.00 | AStorm | derf: MPEG1 is simple enough |
21:35.10 | lcuk | bit really, depends on how lossy the codec is ;) |
21:35.16 | MaceN8x0 | yeah. 1080p is not realistic |
21:35.18 | AStorm | poor bandwidth-wise, but might be enough |
21:35.28 | AStorm | 1080p is possible w/o filters |
21:35.29 | MaceN8x0 | i know 720p should work |
21:35.33 | javispedro | 1080p? does it even have 1080p output? |
21:35.37 | AStorm | no |
21:35.40 | MaceN8x0 | no |
21:35.48 | javispedro | :) |
21:36.05 | MaceN8x0 | what is the res of the n900? |
21:36.06 | AStorm | dropping most of deblocking from h264 even 1080p can be possible |
21:36.06 | ShadowJK | composite or svideo probably |
21:36.09 | AStorm | but it won't look well |
21:36.10 | lardman|home | buzzword |
21:36.12 | lcuk | MaceN8x0, 800*480 |
21:36.15 | MaceN8x0 | wow |
21:36.18 | MaceN8x0 | not bad |
21:36.25 | MaceN8x0 | considering screen size |
21:36.28 | ShadowJK | it's the same as N8x0.. |
21:36.30 | lcuk | yeah, havent seen anything that high res before |
21:36.32 | MaceN8x0 | yeah |
21:36.33 | simula | n900 has a video output |
21:36.40 | aqq | I saw the n900 video. Flash was still lagging in the browser |
21:36.41 | MaceN8x0 | i expected them to lower it |
21:36.56 | lcuk | has no lag |
21:37.00 | LinuxCode | lcuk, hi and bye |
21:37.04 | lcuk | hi lc |
21:37.12 | LinuxCode | n900 video ? |
21:37.16 | aqq | lcuk: you too have an n900? |
21:37.21 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
21:37.23 | lcuk | http://vimeo.com/6417194 |
21:37.24 | ShadowJK | has never seen flash not lag, on anything... :-) |
21:37.33 | lcuk | dunno about flash |
21:37.40 | lcuk | but liqbase runs like a dream on it |
21:37.41 | lardman|home | aqq: too? who else? |
21:37.41 | MaceN8x0 | wow, does everybody have an n900 but me? |
21:37.45 | lcuk | i asked nokia to slow it down |
21:38.02 | AStorm | aqq: flash is cpu-sucker |
21:38.05 | lbt | MaceN8x0: you didn't get the email? |
21:38.08 | fiferboy | MaceN8x0: Not eveyone :( |
21:38.19 | AStorm | aqq: it's worse than h264 |
21:38.21 | lbt | hey fiferboy.... |
21:38.23 | aqq | well there was someone here who had it for freemantle |
21:38.24 | javispedro | MaceN8x0, yes. |
21:38.34 | MaceN8x0 | get the email? |
21:38.34 | fiferboy | lbt: Hey, how's it going? |
21:38.39 | lbt | just got shopper + scrolling compiled under fremantle |
21:38.56 | LinuxCode | hahah @ text showing |
21:38.56 | fiferboy | lbt: You got an N900? |
21:39.01 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
21:39.05 | lbt | I just build a cross-gcc for OBS too - should mean much faster compiles |
21:39.06 | aqq | AStorm: but you'd expect youtube to be a benchmark |
21:39.07 | LinuxCode | yeh f****ing too right, summer is over |
21:39.12 | lbt | sure... didn't you get the email either? |
21:39.14 | ShadowJK | Yeah, that same developers who claimed 1080p, claimed 720p h264 is possible "realtime", "as long as you don't run ActionScript or other crap" |
21:39.20 | fiferboy | lbt: What email? |
21:39.35 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, touchbook can do 720 |
21:39.37 | lbt | community N900s |
21:39.40 | lbt | ask MaceN8x0 |
21:39.41 | MaceN8x0 | almost the same hw |
21:39.48 | fiferboy | lbt: Nope :( |
21:39.54 | ShadowJK | he was using beagleboard |
21:39.56 | lbt | lcuk got one |
21:40.01 | javispedro | I got one |
21:40.04 | lbt | see |
21:40.12 | lcuk | javispedro, orly? |
21:40.18 | LinuxCode | yay N900 |
21:40.19 | MaceN8x0 | what is the max ram on omap3? |
21:40.21 | LinuxCode | finally! |
21:40.26 | fiferboy | I guess I am not community enough |
21:40.36 | MaceN8x0 | fiferboy, me too ;) |
21:40.44 | AStorm | aqq: it's not really, we'd need a better implementation of Flash |
21:40.45 | lbt | you're canadian though |
21:40.46 | wazd | fiferboy: it's not a matter of ciommunity pal |
21:40.46 | lardman|home | me neither, don't worry |
21:40.52 | MaceN8x0 | we just have to go retail |
21:40.56 | AStorm | aqq: e.g. using that JIT stuff |
21:40.57 | fiferboy | wazd: Oh? |
21:40.58 | MaceN8x0 | canadian? |
21:41.01 | AStorm | and DSP more |
21:41.06 | fiferboy | MaceN8x0: Yes.. |
21:41.09 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
21:41.10 | AStorm | maybe even opengl |
21:41.13 | AStorm | (for scaling) |
21:41.20 | wazd | fiferboy: It's a matter of some unknown facts that I'm not aware of :) |
21:41.21 | MaceN8x0 | yeah, nobody likes canada |
21:41.27 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
21:41.32 | fiferboy | Everyone likes Canada! |
21:41.39 | fiferboy | Well, at least we think they do... |
21:41.49 | jiiv | well, except m.c. frontalot. |
21:41.59 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: it's all part of your propaganda... |
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21:42.08 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
21:42.13 | fiferboy | Canada: We think people like us |
21:42.28 | MaceN8x0 | well |
21:42.30 | SpeedEvil | likes their maple syrup. |
21:42.38 | fiferboy | Has anyone in North America got a N900? |
21:42.40 | MaceN8x0 | all canadians i have ever met were ok people |
21:42.42 | lardman|home | hey JamieBennett |
21:43.17 | MaceN8x0 | no |
21:43.26 | fiferboy | Well, time to go home and make do with my N810 :| |
21:43.31 | MaceN8x0 | you have to be fin |
21:43.42 | ShadowJK | kirma, heh. I accidentally found a photo of N900 on a site with "~kirma" in the URL. Did you photograph it? |
21:43.44 | javispedro | I'm not fim. |
21:43.45 | ShadowJK | Looks like a smudgefest :) |
21:44.03 | javispedro | qwerty is not fin either ;) |
21:44.14 | LinuxCode | so, this isnt phone capable then right ? |
21:44.16 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
21:44.26 | javispedro | what are you smoking? |
21:44.27 | MaceN8x0 | javispedro, thats why you dont have one |
21:44.29 | wazd | MaceN8x0: again, terms of distinguishing good from bad are absolutely miserious :) |
21:44.34 | lcuk | LinuxCode, its phone capable |
21:44.40 | javispedro | ok, you got me!! :'( |
21:44.41 | LinuxCode | lcuk, but ? |
21:44.44 | AStorm | it's very phone capable |
21:44.45 | lcuk | but what |
21:44.49 | LinuxCode | there has to be a but..... |
21:44.51 | MaceN8x0 | you have to have a facebook page too |
21:44.54 | lcuk | no |
21:44.55 | AStorm | LinuxCode: yes, the price |
21:44.59 | AStorm | 599 Euro |
21:45.01 | MaceN8x0 | and be hip to social networking |
21:45.03 | LinuxCode | lcuk, excellent |
21:45.05 | lcuk | it scares the shit out of me when my tablet rings |
21:45.12 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
21:45.31 | MaceN8x0 | lcuk, mine rings all the time |
21:45.37 | javispedro | mine too. |
21:45.41 | LinuxCode | sweet, so finally I can get rid of my P800+n810 combo |
21:45.47 | ShadowJK | my phone never rings |
21:45.47 | javispedro | (as long as I hold the finger in the ring preferences screen, that is ;) ) |
21:45.51 | MaceN8x0 | i just ordered a pizza on it |
21:45.52 | LinuxCode | and replace it with one brick |
21:46.14 | MaceN8x0 | ShadowJK, find a woman |
21:46.59 | AStorm | maybe he uses the buzzer as a replacement? ;P |
21:47.00 | LinuxCode | Nokia charger adaptor (CA-146C) ? |
21:47.03 | LinuxCode | what is that ? |
21:47.14 | AStorm | uh, US plug -> Euro |
21:47.15 | MaceN8x0 | microusb adapter? |
21:47.19 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:47.20 | AStorm | or other way around |
21:47.23 | AStorm | oh right |
21:47.27 | AStorm | USB charger indeed |
21:47.46 | LinuxCode | ahhhh |
21:47.51 | LinuxCode | I think I get it |
21:47.51 | ShadowJK | it's so you can use your old N8x0 charger with N900 |
21:48.02 | LinuxCode | standard power and then a usb based charging cable |
21:48.35 | LinuxCode | ohh it says call features ;-DDDD |
21:48.37 | LinuxCode | yay |
21:48.47 | LinuxCode | finally an awesome linux phone |
21:48.54 | AStorm | LinuxCode: old news? ;> |
21:49.00 | AStorm | yeah, with an awesome cam too |
21:49.05 | simula | two cams |
21:49.08 | SpeedEvil | It'd be awesome at half the price IMO. |
21:49.10 | AStorm | it's so awesome I'll get awesome running on it |
21:49.12 | LinuxCode | simula, yeh |
21:49.18 | AStorm | SpeedEvil: nah, it's worth the cash |
21:49.26 | simula | is jonesing for his n900 |
21:49.35 | MaceN8x0 | waiting on a pizza |
21:49.36 | qwerty12_N810 | simula: he said "awesome cam". the front one doesn't count :p |
21:49.39 | MaceN8x0 | im starving |
21:49.43 | MaceN8x0 | bbl |
21:49.51 | LinuxCode | SpeedEvil, normal mobiles cost that much too |
21:49.55 | simula | heh... a user facing webcam is pretty awesome :) |
21:49.58 | LinuxCode | they are just subsidized |
21:50.03 | LinuxCode | hence uch cheaper |
21:50.06 | LinuxCode | much |
21:50.12 | AStorm | compare with iPawn |
21:50.15 | ShadowJK | The MSRP/MERP is cheaper than N97, cheaper than iphone 3gs 32g, cheaper than samsung omnia hd, etc... I still think the pricing is competitive ;p |
21:50.28 | AStorm | it certainly is |
21:50.32 | javispedro | The #maemo channel authorities kindly remind you that if you still haven't got your free N900, please join #idonthaveann900 to get your free one. |
21:50.38 | ShadowJK | iirc 150 euro below 3gs |
21:50.48 | ShadowJK | and the samsung |
21:50.50 | AStorm | javispedro: it's a lie |
21:51.03 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying it's too expensive compared to the competition. |
21:51.08 | VDVsx | AStorm, try ... |
21:51.14 | AStorm | SpeedEvil: you're saying you have too little cash |
21:51.16 | SpeedEvil | Just that it's a choice between it and ~4 months food. |
21:51.23 | javispedro | The cake is indeed a lie. But this is not :) |
21:51.42 | ShadowJK | I bet this is lcuk's or luke's plan to order the chinese N900 |
21:51.56 | MaceN8x0 | so... does the world abandon mer now that everybody is getting their n900s? |
21:51.59 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
21:52.04 | AStorm | no |
21:52.09 | AStorm | mer will be ported to n900 |
21:52.14 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:52.15 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN8x0: Please... people *still* use 770s :p |
21:52.32 | MaceN8x0 | heh |
21:52.48 | MaceN8x0 | i hope someone ports a skimmed down maemo5 |
21:52.57 | MaceN8x0 | ui and all :) |
21:53.05 | MaceN8x0 | hides |
21:53.23 | SpeedEvil | When will maemo5 be ported to the nokia 3330? |
21:53.24 | AStorm | impossible? |
21:53.35 | MaceN8x0 | AStorm, improbable |
21:54.41 | Stskeeps | MaceN8x0: mer isn't just a backport. otherwise wed be dead in 3 months |
21:54.43 | lcuk | why |
21:54.44 | Stskeeps | bbl |
21:55.06 | lcuk | MaceN8x0, mer is linux, the n900 is surely just another target device |
21:55.19 | AStorm | yeah, a modded port of Ubuntu Mobile |
21:55.25 | MaceN8x0 | maemo5 using qt? |
21:55.28 | AStorm | s/port/fork/ |
21:55.54 | MaceN8x0 | is there really ubuntu mobile? |
21:56.00 | AStorm | there is... |
21:56.07 | MaceN8x0 | what ui does it use? |
21:56.12 | AStorm | what matters is that there are ubuntu packages for ARM |
21:56.39 | wazd | MaceN8x0: mix of fremantle with communiti's suggestions |
21:56.45 | VDVsx | infobot, do you have an n900 ? if not, join #idonthaveann900 |
21:56.45 | infobot | yes, I have an n900 ? if not, join #idonthaveann900. |
21:56.52 | lardman|home | anyone used the camera from python before? |
21:56.54 | VDVsx | lol |
21:56.55 | AStorm | no, it's a lie |
21:57.11 | AStorm | they try to sell you that Nokla N900 - the cheap fake substitute |
21:57.15 | VDVsx | oh god, even infobot has one |
21:57.19 | lcuk | :( qwerty12_N810 |
21:57.20 | AStorm | Chinese junk ;) |
21:57.51 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: grrr |
21:57.56 | AStorm | now, can we get OOo on N900? ;> |
21:58.06 | AStorm | or actually working abiword |
21:58.19 | MaceN8x0 | abiword works on n810 |
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21:58.23 | AStorm | not. |
21:58.27 | AStorm | crashes to hell and back |
21:58.31 | MaceN8x0 | no printing tho :( |
21:58.39 | lardman|home | anyway my video stream should be 320x240 x-raw-yuv, but for some reason my buffer is 115200 bytes in length. Any thoughts? |
21:58.41 | AStorm | printing could be useful, yes |
21:58.43 | MaceN8x0 | really? mine was working fine |
21:58.45 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, wow |
21:58.55 | AStorm | MaceN8x0: try to make a table |
21:59.01 | MaceN8x0 | AStorm, cups printing would be awesome |
21:59.06 | MaceN8x0 | really? |
21:59.09 | MaceN8x0 | let me try |
21:59.14 | ShadowJK | lardman, sounds right |
21:59.19 | ShadowJK | lardman, yuv is 12 bits per pixel ;) |
21:59.25 | ShadowJK | (on average) |
22:00.09 | lardman|home | doh! |
22:00.35 | lcuk | lardman|home, (320*240) + 2 * (160*120) |
22:00.38 | MaceN8x0 | astorm |
22:00.42 | MaceN8x0 | worked fine |
22:00.52 | lardman|home | yeah, brain not in gear |
22:00.53 | lcuk | no, its lower density chroma channels |
22:00.55 | AStorm | hmm, must've been fixed |
22:01.00 | MaceN8x0 | just made like 3 tables... no problem |
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22:02.35 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, i shall take this up with your supervisor |
22:04.34 | lcuk | if i return it can i enter then |
22:04.37 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, ^ |
22:04.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Give it to me and we'll swap places |
22:04.57 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
22:06.40 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaIQiJSluYo - lol D |
22:06.59 | lcuk | lol |
22:07.33 | lardman|home | hmm, can anyone remember where the camera YUV output description lived? |
22:07.48 | lcuk | you mean the pixel layout? |
22:08.09 | lardman|home | yep |
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22:08.51 | MaceN8x0 | i jusr realized there are 305 nicks in the # |
22:08.55 | MaceN8x0 | wtf? |
22:09.14 | simula | n900 |
22:09.15 | lcuk | lardman, you back in gstreamer |
22:09.29 | lardman|home | still there :) |
22:09.55 | lardman|home | I thought the format was UYVY or something like that |
22:10.13 | lcuk | yeah are you trying to read the pixels again |
22:10.27 | lardman|home | I just need the greyscale data |
22:11.10 | ShadowJK | If you're lucky, it's the first 320*240 bytes |
22:11.28 | lardman|home | I had a feeling it was not planar |
22:11.41 | lcuk | it is |
22:11.43 | lcuk | w*h |
22:11.47 | lardman|home | really? |
22:11.48 | lcuk | at start of data in gst |
22:11.50 | lcuk | yeah |
22:11.52 | lcuk | 1 whole plane |
22:12.02 | lcuk | just confirming tho |
22:12.11 | lardman|home | ah great, I must have been thinking of those bloody framebuffer formats then |
22:12.13 | lcuk | ps ;) http://liqbase.net/liqbase_media.php?username=lcuk&id=151 |
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22:12.44 | lardman|home | can you email that? Email postcard :) |
22:12.50 | lardman|home | hey GAN800 |
22:13.43 | wazd | lcuk: can't you see that bug all over your rectangles? |
22:13.44 | lcuk | no, but someone else probably can |
22:13.53 | wazd | lcuk: borders are drawn incorrectly |
22:13.56 | lcuk | wazd, there is not seeing it, and not caring |
22:14.11 | lcuk | i have off by 1 bugs all over |
22:14.14 | javispedro | wazd, I think of it as a "shadow effect" kinda. |
22:14.22 | lcuk | and it would take a better programmer than me to cure them |
22:15.03 | lcuk | i do notice them wazd, but i tend to just look past em, its inherited from the framebuffer |
22:15.07 | lcuk | and frankly, at 250dpi |
22:15.10 | lcuk | i dont much care |
22:16.00 | lcuk | plus - theres a load of unit tests that would need to be constructed to find the perfect algo |
22:16.03 | lcuk | which works everywhere |
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22:16.23 | lcuk | or i would be fixing it in one place and it would pop out in another |
22:16.31 | wazd | yeah, *unit* tests :D |
22:17.30 | lcuk | hah |
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22:20.00 | ShadowJK | My tablet goes crazy when I access the camera with mplayer |
22:20.19 | ShadowJK | free memory went up to 60 megs, and it's still trying to free more |
22:20.25 | lcuk | dont access the camera with mplayer then |
22:20.33 | javispedro | "trying to free memory"? |
22:20.53 | ShadowJK | is guessing the driver wants huge amoutns of contigous physical memory |
22:20.57 | ShadowJK | Yeah it's still swapping out more |
22:21.01 | lcuk | lardman, |
22:21.05 | lcuk | lardman|home, |
22:21.07 | lcuk | rather |
22:21.09 | lcuk | unsigned long p= *UYVY++; |
22:21.17 | lcuk | its not planar |
22:21.19 | lcuk | you were right |
22:22.28 | AStorm | YUV is fun |
22:22.40 | ShadowJK | :) |
22:23.06 | lcuk | it is |
22:23.23 | lcuk | wazd, i will try to put a fix in to cure box grids |
22:23.36 | lcuk | to try to ensure boxes are on the outer edge |
22:23.38 | lcuk | always |
22:24.20 | Firebird | has finally fixed the mathematical error in his code after two hours.... he forgot to divide by two |
22:24.22 | vladooo | http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/26771/nokia-working-3d-mobiles-phones |
22:24.29 | lcuk | doh! Firebird |
22:25.07 | timeless_mbp | database? |
22:25.35 | lcuk | timeless? |
22:25.45 | timeless_mbp | firebird is the name of a database |
22:25.51 | lcuk | its also a user there lol |
22:25.54 | AStorm | and a car |
22:26.01 | Firebird | yea timeless_mbp |
22:26.38 | Firebird | I have yet to think up a unique internets name for myself |
22:27.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Pornstar369XXX |
22:27.36 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, he said "unique". |
22:27.58 | qwerty12_N810 | P000rnstr666ZZZ |
22:28.39 | Firebird | mmm |
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22:29.01 | lardman|home | lcuk: you sure it's not planar and you're not just thinking about the framebuffer format? |
22:29.31 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/liqcamera.c?revision=63&root=liqbase&view=markup |
22:29.39 | lcuk | im reading original liqbase camera code |
22:29.47 | lcuk | ie, tested working lol |
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23:04.00 | lcuk | wazd, grrr its makin other stuff pop out |
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23:06.27 | GAN800 | Ubuntu is so much fail. |
23:06.43 | GAN800 | Can't use Bluetooth DUN, can't use adhoc. |
23:07.19 | javispedro | NetworkManager I guess. |
23:07.49 | VDVsx | GAN800, in your n900 ? |
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23:08.26 | wazd | GAN800: think carefully before answer :D |
23:08.48 | ShadowJK | networkmanages is universal fail :) |
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23:28.18 | mikkov_ | GAN800: search for blueman, but yes it's major fail that it's not there |
23:31.54 | Macer | hm |
23:31.58 | Macer | disconnected my artigo |
23:32.02 | Macer | i need to find something useful for it to do |
23:32.08 | Macer | too bad the video drivers for it suck in linux |
23:37.28 | wazd | http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/09/04/fremantle-browser-zoom/ |
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