| 00:00.12 | qwerty12_N810 | imagines a lot of Russians having a N900 in that case |
| 00:02.46 | zerojay | I love the notifications |
| 00:03.00 | zelrikriando | The sdk is not that easy to install |
| 00:03.02 | javispedro | they look kinda the current ones, only wider |
| 00:03.31 | qwerty12_N810 | You also can't set an icon to be displayed with them anymore :( |
| 00:03.44 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: everyonr :D |
| 00:04.00 | qwerty12_N810 | :p |
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| 00:06.39 | lcuk | hey javispedro thanks for the patch! :D |
| 00:06.49 | lcuk | i need to ask |
| 00:06.58 | javispedro | glad git sent it and not my whole pr0n collection :) |
| 00:07.08 | lcuk | i just ran around the projects to try to cure the version install thing |
| 00:07.48 | lcuk | and i added Depends: libliqbase1 (> 0.3.30) on each of the standalone projects |
| 00:08.00 | lcuk | can i use the same kind of trick as you do in that makefile: |
| 00:08.02 | lcuk | Depends: libliqbase1 (= ${Source-Version}) |
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| 00:08.24 | javispedro | nope, since that is replaced by the version in debian/changelog |
| 00:08.24 | lcuk | so that at the time of building the package, it will use the >=version installed right now |
| 00:08.42 | javispedro | it should do that automatically... |
| 00:08.55 | javispedro | with the shlib:depends thing. |
| 00:09.00 | lcuk | i mightv broke them too |
| 00:09.42 | javispedro | is liqtorch or any other standalone app in git? |
| 00:09.51 | javispedro | so i can build for testing |
| 00:09.59 | lcuk | gimme 5 |
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| 00:29.24 | lcuk | javispedro :) |
| 00:29.29 | lcuk | signup and follow me |
| 00:29.36 | lcuk | you can track and stuff i think |
| 00:29.44 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk |
| 00:29.51 | lcuk | i updated the playground |
| 00:30.22 | lcuk | while we are at it, http://twitter.com/lcuk |
| 00:30.31 | lcuk | and #liqbase :) |
| 00:30.37 | javispedro | lol |
| 00:30.41 | SpeedEvil | rofls at recent xkcd. |
| 00:30.43 | javispedro | I am not registered at any of these :) |
| 00:30.50 | javispedro | well, save for freenode |
| 00:30.55 | lcuk | haha |
| 00:31.00 | lcuk | well thats my blog anyway |
| 00:31.03 | zelrikriando | it said invalid password when I try to do newgrp sbox |
| 00:31.03 | SpeedEvil | (wrt lcuk's comment) |
| 00:31.08 | lcuk | i generally just rant in there about code |
| 00:31.12 | zelrikriando | what s the password |
| 00:31.47 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, links |
| 00:31.57 | lcuk | you cant reference xkcd without it |
| 00:31.58 | javispedro | was a twitter hatter up until recently |
| 00:32.01 | lcuk | its the law |
| 00:32.11 | lcuk | twitters good |
| 00:32.15 | javispedro | currently I'm neutral vs it |
| 00:32.17 | lcuk | if you have a tool to play with it |
| 00:32.28 | javispedro | and in a few months, maybe I'll even create the account :) |
| 00:32.40 | javispedro | (same with facebook...... ) |
| 00:32.43 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png |
| 00:32.49 | lcuk | im still trying to get that running :) |
| 00:33.20 | lcuk | yikes |
| 00:33.22 | lcuk | facebook |
| 00:33.43 | javispedro | they look all the same to me :) |
| 00:33.52 | lcuk | hah |
| 00:33.55 | lcuk | where do you read |
| 00:34.08 | javispedro | i am still at the rss age. |
| 00:34.18 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: http://xkcd.com/624/ |
| 00:34.25 | lcuk | rss reader would be cool in liqbase |
| 00:34.29 | SpeedEvil | uucp! |
| 00:34.34 | SpeedEvil | (not really that old) |
| 00:34.41 | lcuk | i keep playing with a html parser |
| 00:34.54 | lcuk | haha |
| 00:36.55 | javispedro | was wasting his time typing "hg clone git:/:.." instead of git clone. |
| 00:37.24 | javispedro | (fingers used to the days I used to pull v4l tree ;) ) |
| 00:38.47 | javispedro | lcuk: i think I see where you breaked it. |
| 00:39.02 | lcuk | ooer |
| 00:39.03 | javispedro | in debian/rules, call to dh_shlibdeps is commented out |
| 00:39.13 | javispedro | (you or someone else ;) ) |
| 00:39.22 | zelrikriando | so |
| 00:39.45 | zelrikriando | why is there a password on newgrp sbox |
| 00:39.55 | lcuk | i dont know off hand |
| 00:39.58 | lcuk | what i do know |
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| 00:40.22 | javispedro | needs to read a bit about shlibdeps to help tho, since it now emits a shitload of warnings |
| 00:40.24 | lcuk | is the readme for installing scratchbox and the sdk contains pretty much THE faq on problems whilst installing |
| 00:40.42 | lcuk | so read thoroughly please |
| 00:40.58 | lcuk | it will help you in the long run :) |
| 00:43.25 | zelrikriando | where is it |
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| 00:46.36 | ShadowJK | is the sdk preinstalled in those vmware images? |
| 00:47.38 | zelrikriando | lcuk: I cannot get that page to display, can you http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/ScratchboxFAQ |
| 00:53.02 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk/ |
| 00:53.10 | lcuk | try reading the installation notes for the sdk |
| 00:53.56 | zelrikriando | I was following those |
| 00:54.20 | zelrikriando | but I am stuck at scratchbox |
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| 01:04.55 | Firebird | Since there is libGL and GLU in the SDK, does that mean that unmodified SDL_opengl will run on maemo5/N900? |
| 01:05.51 | javispedro | At this point, I'm not sure (since supertux run), but I wouldn't get my hopes high. |
| 01:06.01 | javispedro | e.g. it may do software rendering for libGL. |
| 01:06.06 | Firebird | ah |
| 01:06.22 | zelrikriando | Scratchbox login executable... no |
| 01:06.36 | Firebird | has anyone ported the pandora SDL with OpenGLES support then? |
| 01:06.56 | javispedro | no, but I'd be interested |
| 01:07.00 | javispedro | what does it do? just scaling? |
| 01:07.14 | lcuk | zelrikriando, have you tried logging out/closing session and just retrying after coming back in |
| 01:07.25 | Firebird | er, it allows OpenGL to run inside SDL javispedro |
| 01:07.33 | javispedro | ah, just wraps egl then |
| 01:07.33 | lcuk | as a windows guy, it is usual but i dunno |
| 01:07.34 | Firebird | or opengles in the pandora version |
| 01:08.05 | Firebird | EGL fails to initialize in my SDL install :/ |
| 01:08.16 | lcuk | javispedro, have a poke with those packages please and see what needs polishing to make them purr! |
| 01:08.23 | javispedro | lcuk, I am at it :) |
| 01:08.33 | lcuk | all the icons and everything need to twinkle ;) |
| 01:08.42 | javispedro | that kind of polish? ... |
| 01:08.49 | zelrikriando | lcuk: I ll try that thanks |
| 01:08.53 | javispedro | naa I'm with the shlib deps issue. |
| 01:08.54 | lcuk | theres an icon for the desktop - take a look |
| 01:09.00 | lcuk | its a lovely design :) |
| 01:09.30 | javispedro | Firebird, can you elaborate on the "failure"? |
| 01:09.47 | javispedro | I am yet to try, but ogles should be present there (sw rendering) |
| 01:09.54 | javispedro | (in SD) |
| 01:09.57 | javispedro | *(in SDK) |
| 01:10.09 | Firebird | javispedro, all it says is "EGL has failed to initialize" or something similar (I'm trying the PowerVR tutorial things) |
| 01:10.28 | javispedro | so they have botched the powervr emulation libraries... |
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| 01:11.01 | javispedro | I never did see them announced so that is to be expected tho. |
| 01:11.19 | javispedro | wants his N8x0 powervr drivers :( |
| 01:11.32 | Firebird | eh, guess I'll try using pure SDL for now... rotozoom on a 20x9 image shouldn't be too bad... |
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| 01:11.55 | javispedro | sdl_gfx you mean. |
| 01:11.56 | zelrikriando | hello again |
| 01:11.59 | lcuk | Firebird, what are you after writing |
| 01:12.09 | zelrikriando | lcuk: it seems to be working now, well at least it's busy doing stuff |
| 01:12.19 | Firebird | lcuk, after writing? |
| 01:12.36 | lcuk | yeah, what you putting rotozoom into sdl for |
| 01:12.51 | lcuk | and wouldnt you much rather be mucking about in yuv |
| 01:13.33 | Firebird | I'm turning my box2d-example program into some sort of linerider clone |
| 01:13.42 | Firebird | yuv has fast rotation? |
| 01:13.56 | lcuk | you need vectors? |
| 01:14.20 | lcuk | liqbase could render that AMAZINGLY well |
| 01:14.28 | lcuk | its something that would make my son happy too! |
| 01:14.56 | Firebird | does liqbase run off the SDK/tablet? |
| 01:15.02 | Firebird | (out of) |
| 01:15.03 | lcuk | n8x0 onwards |
| 01:15.20 | Firebird | I mean, in a standard linux environment, not maemo |
| 01:15.22 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 01:15.25 | lcuk | i run windows |
| 01:15.28 | Firebird | ah |
| 01:15.48 | GeneralAntilles | wonders what happened to the Disney of the 90s. |
| 01:15.50 | lcuk | code and develop in ide on desktop, but save files to tablet, and use it to do all my building |
| 01:16.04 | Firebird | I managed to get 60fps on the N810 using pure SDL and SDL_gfx (lots of screen tearing of course) |
| 01:16.16 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, it will make a comeback in the 2030s. |
| 01:16.17 | lcuk | liqbase is tearfree |
| 01:16.29 | javispedro | Firebird, surface size? |
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| 01:16.36 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I'm an old man now, apparently. |
| 01:16.39 | lcuk | and at 800*480 it maxes the bus at 27fps |
| 01:16.42 | GeneralAntilles | They don't make them like they used to. |
| 01:16.57 | Firebird | javispedro, yea, its at 800x480 |
| 01:17.18 | javispedro | Firebird, do you do dirty rects (SDL_UpdateRect) or just SDL_Flip? |
| 01:17.52 | Firebird | I was using SDL_Flip, but there were no blits, just a bunch of aalines from SDL_gfx |
| 01:18.04 | javispedro | SDL_Flip at 800x480, 60 fps is impossible. |
| 01:18.18 | Firebird | takes a picture |
| 01:18.23 | javispedro | it sends the whole screen. |
| 01:18.31 | javispedro | there's just not enough bandwidth. |
| 01:18.43 | lcuk | either way, firebird likes his speed |
| 01:18.48 | lcuk | liqbase can give it him |
| 01:18.51 | Firebird | javispedro, its processing 60fps, not sending all of it to the screen |
| 01:19.08 | lcuk | Firebird, watch the video |
| 01:19.18 | lcuk | note that i work extensively with vectors |
| 01:19.21 | zelrikriando | I feel the sdk of maemo is very big |
| 01:19.42 | javispedro | "processing" as in "just writing to memory then" ;) ? |
| 01:19.47 | SpeedEvil | I feel that the sdk of maemo contains too many 7s. |
| 01:19.56 | javispedro | 7s? |
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| 01:20.01 | Firebird | yep :P, I capped it at 60fps so I could play with it on my computer |
| 01:20.09 | Firebird | didn't bother changing it |
| 01:20.39 | lcuk | original liqbase tops 100fps i think in certain resolutions |
| 01:20.41 | javispedro | lcuk's way is currently the fastest to send things to the lcd afaik. |
| 01:20.58 | lcuk | i took out the resolution changes tho |
| 01:21.14 | Firebird | anyways, /me searches for a libliqbase api/doxygen |
| 01:21.33 | javispedro | heh. |
| 01:21.42 | javispedro | hides |
| 01:22.40 | Firebird | though, wouldn't using GL be better in devices that can? |
| 01:23.16 | javispedro | GLES, probably, esp. bigger things. |
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| 01:24.04 | javispedro | does not know much about the new device. lots of things still have to be decided about games, like how to kill the compositor. |
| 01:24.23 | GeneralAntilles | A long knife is best. |
| 01:24.24 | SpeedEvil | Fire! |
| 01:24.48 | javispedro | With an axe, repeteadly over the screen. :) |
| 01:24.53 | derf | GeneralAntilles: No, a spoon. |
| 01:25.08 | derf | It'll hurt more. |
| 01:25.14 | SpeedEvil | blunt spoon |
| 01:25.26 | SpeedEvil | blunt teaspoon? /me forgets. |
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| 01:25.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3iOROuTuMA |
| 01:27.42 | Texrat | little more life in here? |
| 01:28.00 | Firebird | plenty |
| 01:28.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 01:28.22 | zerojayPC | This place is jumpin'. |
| 01:28.25 | Texrat | I need a vector Mer logo |
| 01:28.28 | Texrat | hey jay |
| 01:28.31 | Texrat | or jack |
| 01:28.40 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 01:28.47 | zerojayPC | It was too good to pass up. :) |
| 01:28.56 | Texrat | I claim Owen Wilson as an avatar |
| 01:29.04 | zerojayPC | Texrat: Might want to join #mer then. |
| 01:29.12 | Texrat | except w/o the suicide attempt |
| 01:29.21 | Texrat | no one on @ mer |
| 01:29.51 | Texrat | ah well plenty to do until I can nab one |
| 01:30.24 | Texrat | ok you guys can help |
| 01:30.42 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, poke wazd tomorrow. |
| 01:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno if one ever ended up on the website. |
| 01:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | But he should have it. |
| 01:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, /msg memoserv help |
| 01:30.49 | Texrat | I am listing 3 examples of success for maemo community... |
| 01:30.53 | zerojayPC | Texrat: Sup? |
| 01:31.09 | Texrat | Mer, Nokia World engagement, and (fill in the blank) |
| 01:31.21 | Texrat | taking suggestions! |
| 01:31.44 | Texrat | matt_c got upgraded |
| 01:31.50 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org changeover and redesign? |
| 01:31.55 | GeneralAntilles | Community Council? |
| 01:31.56 | Texrat | hmmm |
| 01:32.06 | Texrat | ! |
| 01:32.08 | Texrat | d'oh |
| 01:32.11 | Texrat | good one |
| 01:32.23 | Texrat | in fact s/b first in my list |
| 01:32.51 | Texrat | I love powerpoint 2007... is that perverted? |
| 01:33.23 | GeneralAntilles | Traitor. |
| 01:33.24 | Firebird | lcuk, where's the libliqbase source hiding |
| 01:33.39 | Texrat | o crap Ryan |
| 01:33.47 | Texrat | now I need a community council logo! |
| 01:34.03 | Texrat | plans to pound on timsamoff |
| 01:34.20 | GeneralAntilles | maemo.org |
| 01:34.25 | GeneralAntilles | Otherwise we don't have one. |
| 01:34.31 | Texrat | I'll use that |
| 01:34.47 | zerojayPC | Texrat: How's the presentation going so far? |
| 01:36.36 | Texrat | niiice |
| 01:36.47 | Texrat | this thing is so slick (PPT2007) |
| 01:36.54 | Texrat | more play than work |
| 01:37.05 | GeneralAntilles | Sick, sick man. |
| 01:37.08 | Texrat | agreed |
| 01:37.12 | Texrat | I blame old age |
| 01:37.30 | Texrat | lol... just wonder what format the end result needs to be in |
| 01:38.01 | Texrat | "Ogg Presentation Format" |
| 01:38.06 | Texrat | :D |
| 01:38.21 | javispedro | ODP? |
| 01:38.27 | Texrat | hmmm |
| 01:38.31 | javispedro | I mean, OpenDocument Presentation. |
| 01:38.36 | Texrat | need translator then |
| 01:38.38 | javispedro | or else just a bunch of png files ;) |
| 01:38.42 | Texrat | or PDF |
| 01:38.43 | javispedro | (I actually used that once :) ) |
| 01:38.57 | Texrat | who here presented before? |
| 01:39.03 | Texrat | GA? |
| 01:39.36 | zelrikriando | it's possible that I would get maybe eventually the opportunity to have a sdk of maemo up and running tonight Oo |
| 01:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | Not I. |
| 01:42.31 | Texrat | the council needs a logo... |
| 01:42.41 | Texrat | maybe a superset of maemo.org |
| 01:43.30 | GeneralAntilles | Eh, facilitators should be less visible than that. ;) |
| 01:43.35 | zelrikriando | af-sb-init.sh start |
| 01:43.37 | zelrikriando | bash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found |
| 01:43.40 | zelrikriando | fail... |
| 01:43.47 | zelrikriando | :( |
| 01:44.06 | javispedro | zelrikriando, it's like you're reading the FAQ and posting here every question :) |
| 01:44.13 | javispedro | zelrikriando, nokia-binaries missing |
| 01:44.22 | zelrikriando | I just installed them |
| 01:44.37 | javispedro | for the armel target but not the x86 one |
| 01:44.39 | javispedro | or viceversa. |
| 01:44.46 | zelrikriando | what |
| 01:45.19 | javispedro | there are two sbox targets: one is for testing and debugging (x86) and the other one for compiling to the device(armel) |
| 01:45.28 | javispedro | you can switch between them in the sb-menu app. |
| 01:45.43 | javispedro | they're independent. they just share /home and that's about it. |
| 01:45.56 | javispedro | so if you install anything to x86 one, you have to then install that to the armel one. |
| 01:46.32 | Texrat | I am going to have a 770 to raffle off at the Summit...lol |
| 01:46.38 | Texrat | refurb |
| 01:47.00 | Texrat | wonder how many tickets I'll need... |
| 01:47.05 | Texrat | 3? 4? |
| 01:48.04 | GeneralAntilles | Should be a ride instead "The WSoD Experience" |
| 01:48.42 | Texrat | lol |
| 01:48.46 | Texrat | well it's all I have |
| 01:48.50 | zelrikriando | That s the longest install I have ever done |
| 01:48.55 | zelrikriando | I think |
| 01:49.15 | Texrat | here's a gift for the IRC gang: slide sneak preview (not one on the forum) |
| 01:49.18 | Texrat | http://www.cynicalsigns.com/images/dyn3.png |
| 01:49.35 | zelrikriando | I wonder how much space all that takes |
| 01:49.58 | zelrikriando | javispedro: I think I got the x86 one going now |
| 01:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | Man that's one fat bastard there in the middle. |
| 01:50.11 | Texrat | lol |
| 01:50.14 | Texrat | by design ;) |
| 01:50.19 | javispedro | zelrikriando, it's nearly 750 MiB here for both targets and all debug symbols |
| 01:50.22 | Texrat | corporate fat cats |
| 01:50.29 | Texrat | heh |
| 01:50.48 | Texrat | gotta inject a little visual humor |
| 01:51.31 | Texrat | individuals are anorexic |
| 01:51.46 | Texrat | mostly Californian models |
| 01:53.39 | zelrikriando | omg |
| 01:53.43 | zelrikriando | it works! |
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| 01:54.05 | zelrikriando | Well it's all empty but at least I got the interface running |
| 01:54.06 | javispedro | :) |
| 01:55.02 | zelrikriando | is there a way to fill this emptyness |
| 01:55.11 | zelrikriando | :p |
| 01:55.14 | Texrat | congrats |
| 01:55.46 | Texrat | ok input time again |
| 01:55.51 | javispedro | zelrikriando, extras apps |
| 01:55.53 | Texrat | I need 2 bullets for Mer |
| 01:55.56 | Texrat | I have 1: |
| 01:56.07 | Texrat | "Driven by community with Nokias blessing |
| 01:56.07 | Texrat | " |
| 01:56.16 | Texrat | thoughts? |
| 01:56.27 | Texrat | for bullet 2 |
| 01:57.45 | Texrat | hears crickets chirp |
| 01:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds like Nokia allowed the project |
| 01:58.04 | msh_ | if all the mer devs get cheap n900s with the dev program, will mer keep going...? |
| 01:58.07 | Texrat | revision? |
| 01:58.17 | Texrat | mer will go on regardless |
| 01:58.21 | GeneralAntilles | Maybe it should imply that the project encouraged Nokia to open up their licensing and help the community build a stronger distro? |
| 01:58.23 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure. |
| 01:58.24 | msh_ | mer on 810 I guess |
| 01:58.27 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps! :P |
| 01:58.50 | Texrat | ok, good suggestion |
| 01:59.11 | javispedro | msh_ some mer guys actually got free devices from another manufacturer |
| 01:59.28 | javispedro | iirc. |
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| 02:00.08 | lcuk | javispedro, thanks a bunch for the patch and assistance. |
| 02:00.10 | Texrat | besnson! |
| 02:00.12 | Texrat | ... |
| 02:00.15 | Texrat | slydexia |
| 02:00.16 | lcuk | im off to bed, gnite folks \o |
| 02:00.21 | javispedro | see ya |
| 02:00.22 | Texrat | night gary |
| 02:00.27 | lcuk | hey tr \o gn |
| 02:00.51 | Texrat | hey benson you ol' dog |
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| 02:01.27 | Texrat | Ryan I'm using your suggestion as bullet 2 |
| 02:01.44 | argonel | what happens if i try to flash an initfs that is too big? |
| 02:01.45 | Texrat | may or may not revise bullet 1 |
| 02:01.50 | GeneralAntilles | You might talk about Mer eventually feeding into Maemo's development. |
| 02:01.57 | Texrat | ooo |
| 02:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | The idea being a distribution that will help the long-term viability of Maemo. |
| 02:02.09 | javispedro | argonel, sky falls. cats and dogs living together. |
| 02:02.09 | Texrat | mostly speculation at this point tho... |
| 02:02.19 | GeneralAntilles | Since Maemo has way too many Maemo-isms as it stands now to have any of that. |
| 02:02.26 | argonel | javispedro: i was hoping for a less global error message :p |
| 02:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | Well, it's either "learn from Mer or die" |
| 02:02.38 | Texrat | that's pretty global arlght |
| 02:02.43 | Texrat | true |
| 02:04.30 | Texrat | Jay you still on? |
| 02:05.09 | benson | Hi all. |
| 02:05.13 | Texrat | yo... zer0... |
| 02:05.21 | Texrat | lol...benson woke up |
| 02:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | Highlights help, Texrat. ;) |
| 02:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | zero<tab> |
| 02:05.41 | Texrat | crap I forgot all that |
| 02:05.51 | benson | what's up? |
| 02:06.16 | Texrat | slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:06.25 | benson | I'm not the benson on maemo.org. This is another benson :) |
| 02:06.31 | Texrat | oh...lol |
| 02:06.39 | Texrat | imposter! |
| 02:06.54 | Texrat | slaps benson around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 02:07.44 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia really needs a real Maemo logo. |
| 02:07.49 | GeneralAntilles | People keep mutilating the maemo.org one. |
| 02:08.14 | Texrat | you mean a graphic? |
| 02:08.21 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, they have one already. the one using the photoshop 3d effect ;) |
| 02:08.29 | Texrat | rather than clever text? |
| 02:08.34 | GeneralAntilles | shudders. |
| 02:08.44 | Texrat | bring back the raccoon thingie! |
| 02:08.45 | GeneralAntilles | Something that's identifiable as Maemo. |
| 02:08.56 | Texrat | nothign is identifiable as maemo |
| 02:09.00 | *** join/#maemo vladovg (n=vladooo@amur.ddns-lan.lom.ekk.bg) |
| 02:09.12 | Texrat | there is no identity |
| 02:09.13 | vladovg | hi |
| 02:09.25 | vladovg | have queston |
| 02:09.30 | Texrat | maybe a mushroom cloud? |
| 02:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Much like S60 has one http://www.fonearena.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/designedfors60.jpg |
| 02:09.33 | johnx | I think someone should photoshop the scary old Nokia fish to include the Maemo text and we should just link people to that |
| 02:09.34 | javispedro | shoot queston. |
| 02:09.41 | Texrat | nice! |
| 02:09.47 | Texrat | great idea John |
| 02:09.47 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, they're pushing Maemo pretty hard as a brand in all of the new marketing. |
| 02:09.54 | Texrat | agreed... |
| 02:09.54 | vladovg | batteri tray icon stop showing det the device is charging |
| 02:09.59 | Texrat | but still no identity |
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| 02:10.32 | javispedro | likes the "Mameo" typo. |
| 02:10.34 | Texrat | I picture an M in a circle... like Registered trademark or copyright... |
| 02:10.49 | Texrat | lol... a Texas brand |
| 02:11.02 | javispedro | You wouldn't want to know what it means in spanish. |
| 02:11.13 | Texrat | aw come on javis |
| 02:11.16 | Texrat | tell |
| 02:11.24 | vladovg | stey on 50% plug in the charger indikeiting thet the device is charging buth no indicaishan on tray icon |
| 02:11.34 | zerojayPC | Texrat: Sorry, was playing Quake Live. What's up? |
| 02:11.38 | vladovg | kan som one help my |
| 02:11.40 | Texrat | ... |
| 02:11.55 | Texrat | vladovg, have you tried another charger? |
| 02:12.09 | vladovg | its not from the charger |
| 02:12.17 | Texrat | have you riuled it out? |
| 02:12.21 | Texrat | ruled* |
| 02:12.30 | vladovg | ay charg the device twice after the problem show |
| 02:12.34 | Texrat | if not charger, battery next |
| 02:12.48 | zerojayPC | Leave your tablet sitting on your desk for a few months. |
| 02:12.52 | Texrat | lol |
| 02:12.52 | zerojayPC | It will come back to life. lol |
| 02:13.05 | vladovg | haah |
| 02:13.09 | Texrat | some have frozen theirs |
| 02:13.11 | vladovg | it s not funni |
| 02:13.13 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:13.21 | Texrat | slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:13.25 | Texrat | I got him for ya |
| 02:13.35 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 02:13.54 | Texrat | Jay one of your quotes leads off a presentation section |
| 02:14.02 | johnx | vladovg, Have you tried reflashing? |
| 02:14.11 | vladovg | no |
| 02:14.15 | Texrat | try it |
| 02:14.21 | vladovg | ay don t wont to flash |
| 02:14.27 | Texrat | but there's a troubleshooting sequence: |
| 02:14.31 | vladovg | hawe a lot of applets set up |
| 02:14.38 | Texrat | charger, battery, OS, device |
| 02:14.44 | Texrat | backup |
| 02:14.46 | vladovg | 21 wick of testing and setting |
| 02:15.02 | Texrat | backup, reflash, done maybe |
| 02:15.20 | vladovg | ai hawe back up |
| 02:15.25 | Texrat | but be aware I have encountered flaky tablet batteries |
| 02:15.31 | vladovg | but its jus the pim |
| 02:15.55 | vladovg | the original beckup applet from the tablet |
| 02:16.15 | vladovg | batteri is good |
| 02:16.18 | Texrat | ok |
| 02:16.32 | Texrat | well, I'd go with what Johnx said |
| 02:16.41 | vladovg | onli the trai dos not show charging |
| 02:16.49 | vladovg | but the batteri is charging |
| 02:16.53 | Texrat | if you have a backup you will be guided through app reinstall after reflash |
| 02:17.08 | vladovg | :( |
| 02:17.15 | vladovg | nooo |
| 02:17.19 | vladovg | :( |
| 02:17.21 | Texrat | welll...21 more weeks of testing? |
| 02:17.35 | vladovg | 2 weeks |
| 02:17.37 | johnx | isn't there a replacement battery applet? |
| 02:17.42 | Texrat | yes |
| 02:17.44 | vladovg | yes |
| 02:17.50 | Texrat | better in fact |
| 02:17.52 | vladovg | wat is name |
| 02:18.06 | Texrat | I forget |
| 02:18.11 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:18.15 | johnx | pybattery maybe? |
| 02:18.18 | javispedro | Texrat: well, considering I would say the word comes from the latin mamma (breast), I hope you understand I don't want to explicit the meaning :) |
| 02:18.25 | Texrat | should be in apps under utilities |
| 02:18.36 | Texrat | javis i assumed as much ;) |
| 02:19.52 | Texrat | last time I was on here it was all devs...this is better ;) |
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| 02:22.34 | vladovg | can some one giv mi URL to the applet :) |
| 02:24.52 | zerojayPC | Texrat: Oh yeah? Hope it's a good quote. I'm scared. lol |
| 02:25.17 | zerojayPC | I say some fucked up shit sometimes, so... |
| 02:25.19 | Texrat | one you left on the blog |
| 02:25.30 | Texrat | no, it was pretty sanitary |
| 02:25.34 | zerojayPC | Ah, okay. |
| 02:25.58 | Texrat | about quantifying success |
| 02:26.29 | zerojayPC | Yeah... thats a good place to start at. |
| 02:29.16 | Texrat | well, not the actual start |
| 02:29.22 | Texrat | you're closer to the end :p |
| 02:29.41 | Texrat | I start with the history |
| 02:29.44 | zerojayPC | Whatever. ;) |
| 02:29.47 | Texrat | lol |
| 02:29.59 | Texrat | well you come before Tim at least |
| 02:30.14 | Texrat | and Anssi Vanjokki |
| 02:30.30 | Texrat | who is one cool Finn |
| 02:31.16 | Texrat | lol... wait til you see the "battle of the talk.maemo.org search terms" |
| 02:33.20 | javispedro | hey, I saw that. |
| 02:33.34 | javispedro | how can "Android" be so high on the list? |
| 02:33.38 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:33.44 | vladovg | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=24905 |
| 02:33.51 | Texrat | you didn't see this one javis |
| 02:33.57 | vladovg | worcks great |
| 02:34.07 | vladovg | thanks veri mach |
| 02:34.09 | Texrat | good to hear vlad |
| 02:34.10 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:34.32 | javispedro | Texrat, http://talk.maemo.org/search.php seen the tag cloud? |
| 02:34.34 | vladovg | so its original applet problem |
| 02:34.45 | Texrat | not yet javis, thanks |
| 02:35.05 | javispedro | just a funny thing to watch, nothing interesting :) |
| 02:35.16 | vladovg | mai bi from some soft det ay am install |
| 02:35.16 | javispedro | I can't believe android appears bigger than n900 tag there. |
| 02:35.30 | vladovg | BTW |
| 02:35.35 | vladovg | android sux |
| 02:35.44 | vladovg | have G1 |
| 02:35.51 | vladovg | fucking Jawa |
| 02:35.56 | vladovg | is shit |
| 02:35.59 | vladovg | fo now |
| 02:36.01 | Texrat | yeah for Android to beat terms like debian and especially maemo...lol |
| 02:36.20 | vladovg | BTW again |
| 02:36.25 | Luke-Jr | vladovg: Android may suck, but it seems to be more open than Maemo |
| 02:36.35 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:36.37 | Texrat | really? |
| 02:36.38 | javispedro | runs before the flames start. |
| 02:36.42 | Texrat | lol |
| 02:36.42 | vladovg | google my frend |
| 02:36.44 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:36.45 | javispedro | well, gnite folks :) |
| 02:36.57 | Luke-Jr | AFAIK, the main problem with Android is firmware locking |
| 02:37.02 | Texrat | go enjoy some mameos |
| 02:37.03 | vladovg | mani |
| 02:37.15 | vladovg | thets not so big problem |
| 02:37.16 | javispedro | lol Texrat =) |
| 02:37.23 | javispedro | good luck with the presentation :) |
| 02:37.30 | vladovg | http://forum.pocketbulgaria.com/ |
| 02:37.37 | Texrat | thanks, but what I really need is skill! lol |
| 02:37.38 | vladovg | bulgarian comuniti |
| 02:37.41 | vladovg | :) |
| 02:37.56 | vladovg | from 2004 |
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| 02:38.23 | vladovg | ( the them is crapi just update the phbb |
| 02:44.31 | Texrat | slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:57.02 | zerojayPC | stirs awake. |
| 02:57.19 | Texrat | yawn |
| 02:59.23 | Texrat | jay are you actually awake |
| 03:00.39 | zerojayPC | Yeah |
| 03:00.45 | Texrat | did you see this slide |
| 03:00.47 | Texrat | http://www.cynicalsigns.com/images/dyn3.png |
| 03:01.05 | argonel | is there a manpage around for text2screen? |
| 03:01.08 | zerojayPC | Yeah, I saw it when you posted it earlier. |
| 03:01.16 | Texrat | the goal ;) |
| 03:01.36 | Texrat | I have 3 stages: the origin, current and perfect state |
| 03:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | Perfect state is where we all get free OMAP4 devices all of the time. |
| 03:02.15 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:02.23 | Texrat | relatively perfect state |
| 03:02.47 | zerojayPC | That's bonerific. |
| 03:02.51 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:03.01 | zerojayPC | You know, I just realized something. |
| 03:03.03 | Texrat | and you sir are one sick canuck |
| 03:03.15 | zerojayPC | I think the N900 is actually more powerful than my current desktop PC. |
| 03:03.17 | GeneralAntilles | Is there any other kind? |
| 03:03.20 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:03.24 | GeneralAntilles | What's your current desktop PC? |
| 03:03.29 | zerojayPC | Eh... |
| 03:03.32 | GeneralAntilles | I KNOW it's more powerful than mine. |
| 03:03.41 | zerojayPC | Lemme see here... |
| 03:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | Since mine's, apparently, still filled with coolant. |
| 03:03.47 | Texrat | mine = homebuilt dual opteron workstation |
| 03:04.00 | Texrat | outdated |
| 03:04.16 | GeneralAntilles | I wish the i7s came in dual-CPU versions. |
| 03:04.18 | Texrat | but man do I love this beastly silverstone case |
| 03:04.26 | zerojayPC | Mine was an outdated piece of shit when I bought it for $200 at Futureshop (Best Buy) 3 years ago. |
| 03:04.31 | Texrat | dude |
| 03:04.34 | Texrat | never buy |
| 03:04.37 | Texrat | build |
| 03:04.54 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 should be vaguely similar to a PIII. |
| 03:05.02 | zerojayPC | Yeah, building's great when you have the time to shop and have the cash to look all over. I didn't have those luxeries at that time. |
| 03:05.37 | zerojayPC | model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) D CPU 3.20GHz |
| 03:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | Pfft |
| 03:05.59 | zerojayPC | ~6000 bigomips. |
| 03:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | That kick's the N900's ass. |
| 03:06.28 | Texrat | I hear ya jay |
| 03:06.42 | Texrat | I just buy here and there and build whwn I have it all |
| 03:06.55 | zerojayPC | My work PC runs Windows on a dual P4 or something and the thing is slow as shit. Even running just notepad, I routinely outtype the piece of shit. Ugh. |
| 03:07.04 | Texrat | but prob is I still have old unused PCs lying around...lol |
| 03:07.15 | zerojayPC | I had an emergency when I bought this one. Needed something right away. |
| 03:07.20 | Texrat | yeah |
| 03:07.33 | Texrat | after my last Compaq I just swore never again |
| 03:07.54 | Texrat | Oh goddam I have got to get out of where I'm workign now |
| 03:08.01 | Texrat | arrrrggg |
| 03:08.01 | zerojayPC | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=319883#post319883 tl;dr |
| 03:08.27 | Texrat | I miss the mothership :( |
| 03:08.50 | zerojayPC | I normally have an attention span long enough to read that article but almost as soon as I saw the website it was on, my brain was suffering from massive fatigue. |
| 03:09.03 | Texrat | shit I can't get that link |
| 03:09.40 | Texrat | got it... oh hell yeah I agree |
| 03:09.40 | zerojayPC | Verbal diarrhea |
| 03:10.16 | zerojayPC | I got about 10 lines in, stared at my screen and just said "..........FUCK." |
| 03:11.02 | GeneralAntilles | Symbian Freak's web design makes it look like one of those Chinese spam sites. |
| 03:11.47 | zerojayPC | Yeah, no kidding. I won't claim to be the bastian of web design myself, but shit. |
| 03:12.11 | GeneralAntilles | He's acts like a troll more than anything else on Talk. |
| 03:12.49 | zerojayPC | Proof that I don't care much for web design: http://www.zerojay.com/wp/ |
| 03:13.03 | zerojayPC | (Reactivated my previous theme.) |
| 03:13.09 | zerojayPC | Just for a few minutes. |
| 03:13.25 | zerojayPC | Have fun. ;P |
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| 03:14.37 | GeneralAntilles | Haha |
| 03:15.07 | zerojayPC | I switched it for something a little more... traditionally browsable... but I love it. |
| 03:15.16 | carboncopy | excuse me, but what time is the Nokia World 09 launch and is there any live web cast? |
| 03:15.20 | zerojayPC | Spambots get VERY confused. |
| 03:15.31 | zerojayPC | 9am CET and yes on the Nokia world site. |
| 03:15.39 | carboncopy | thanks |
| 03:15.41 | zerojayPC | 9am CET = 3am EST, unfortunately. |
| 03:15.43 | zerojayPC | :/ |
| 03:16.12 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, partay! |
| 03:16.20 | zerojayPC | Some people use the command line on my site to leave messages or make confessions. lol |
| 03:16.39 | carboncopy | 9am+7 for me so that would be 4pm UTC+8 |
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| 03:17.36 | GeneralAntilles | konttori, are you here to start the announcements early just for #maemo? :D |
| 03:17.43 | konttori | lol! |
| 03:17.55 | konttori | Checking some details before leaving to the airport |
| 03:18.32 | zerojayPC | No way I'm staying up until 3am... especially when I have to wake up at 6am. |
| 03:18.41 | zerojayPC | Of course, I say that now. |
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| 03:18.51 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 03:19.05 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, might drop "Website" from the maemo.nokia.com and maemo.org products? |
| 03:19.43 | Texrat | hey konttori!!! |
| 03:19.55 | Texrat | aw missed him |
| 03:20.09 | GeneralAntilles | He's here pretty often. |
| 03:20.22 | zerojayPC | He's always here. lol |
| 03:20.27 | *** join/#maemo konttori (n=konttori@a88-113-140-230.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 03:20.32 | zerojayPC | See? |
| 03:20.32 | Texrat | there he is |
| 03:20.35 | GeneralAntilles | See! |
| 03:20.37 | Texrat | hey konttori |
| 03:20.52 | GeneralAntilles | mutters obscenities about this slow machine. |
| 03:20.57 | zerojayPC | Then again, I'm almost always here now too.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3878795833/ |
| 03:21.10 | Texrat | I need to be more often |
| 03:21.27 | Texrat | if i can just get away from my fucked up job |
| 03:21.34 | GeneralAntilles | irssi |
| 03:21.43 | zerojayPC | I just leave my tablet online all day. |
| 03:21.54 | Texrat | my boss is nosy and paranoid |
| 03:21.54 | zerojayPC | I get weird people asking me what I'm playing on my DS all day though. |
| 03:22.07 | Texrat | the place sucks |
| 03:22.25 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, the Internet! |
| 03:22.28 | Texrat | I applied for jobs with Nokia and NSN... |
| 03:22.42 | zerojayPC | My bosses pretty much let me do as I please. Hard to be strict when you make games for a living. lol |
| 03:22.49 | Texrat | yeah |
| 03:23.02 | Texrat | I manage software and hardware updates now...yippee |
| 03:23.06 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn |
| 03:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | 43 hearts |
| 03:23.13 | Texrat | ? |
| 03:23.22 | GeneralAntilles | Quim's gonna get so much karma from that jailbreak post. |
| 03:23.26 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:23.41 | zerojayPC | I'm going to be evaluating Transifex for Maemo at the same time as for my workplace... so no one can complain. ;) |
| 03:23.55 | zerojayPC | Quim's karma jumped like 1000 points in a week. |
| 03:24.04 | Texrat | yeah I'm lagging now |
| 03:24.08 | Texrat | fell back to page 2 |
| 03:24.16 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby passed me in Thanks! |
| 03:24.21 | GeneralAntilles | I need to pander more. |
| 03:24.29 | Texrat | mostly for comic relief |
| 03:24.38 | Texrat | the guy IS funny |
| 03:25.11 | GeneralAntilles | He's totally going to bring down the dignity of the council if he gets elected. ;) |
| 03:25.14 | Texrat | but this new Jay Black guy is good for some yucks too :p |
| 03:25.44 | Texrat | slaps zerojayPC around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:26.13 | Texrat | shit my eyes are straining... no more presentation work tonight |
| 03:27.03 | Texrat | question: |
| 03:27.09 | Texrat | "If your only interface to the community is volunteer(s), are you doing something wrong?" |
| 03:27.29 | Texrat | ? |
| 03:27.34 | GeneralAntilles | Elaborate? |
| 03:27.38 | Texrat | that's it |
| 03:27.46 | Texrat | s/b provocative enough |
| 03:27.51 | GeneralAntilles | OK, whose only interface? |
| 03:28.01 | Texrat | ah... in this case corporate |
| 03:28.11 | Texrat | goood question |
| 03:28.47 | GeneralAntilles | And I'm not sure what's provocative. |
| 03:28.55 | Texrat | ? |
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| 03:29.22 | Texrat | you stay in that mode so your personal threshold is too high :p |
| 03:29.37 | GeneralAntilles | In summary, I dun get it. |
| 03:29.43 | Texrat | hmmm |
| 03:29.51 | Texrat | pk, well, that could be useful feedback as well |
| 03:30.29 | Texrat | if the only engagement a company has with a supporting community is via volunteers, is the company doing something wrong by not having any sort of official rep? |
| 03:30.43 | GeneralAntilles | Ah |
| 03:31.08 | GeneralAntilles | Well, in Nokia's case we have Quim and Daniel. |
| 03:31.10 | Texrat | may be a better statement |
| 03:31.16 | Texrat | we do NOW |
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| 03:31.33 | Texrat | what you don't know is that wehn i first tried to drag Quim in he balked ;) |
| 03:31.51 | Texrat | we had an interesting lunch over the topic...lol |
| 03:32.23 | GeneralAntilles | itT was the club in that alley downtown where all of the weird people hung out. |
| 03:32.28 | GeneralAntilles | I can't say I blame him. :D |
| 03:32.35 | Texrat | but in hindsight it was all about Nokia conservatism |
| 03:32.53 | Texrat | lol... you have no idea how close that is to his words :D |
| 03:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | Which is why I think the S60 cause so much damage. |
| 03:33.07 | Texrat | good point |
| 03:33.17 | zerojayPC | Daniel whom? |
| 03:33.20 | GeneralAntilles | S60 _people _in Maemo Devices_ |
| 03:33.22 | GeneralAntilles | Wilms |
| 03:33.30 | GeneralAntilles | He's Quim's counterpart on the technical side of things. |
| 03:33.36 | zerojayPC | Really? |
| 03:33.38 | zerojayPC | I had no idea. |
| 03:33.49 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, been on the job for a while now. |
| 03:33.54 | Texrat | Quim is in an interesting position in Nokia |
| 03:33.56 | GeneralAntilles | Although he's a lot less active than Quim, unfortunately. |
| 03:33.58 | Texrat | no direct reports |
| 03:34.04 | Texrat | a LOT of indirect ones |
| 03:34.04 | GeneralAntilles | I'd hate his job. |
| 03:34.09 | GeneralAntilles | Rock and a hard place. |
| 03:34.13 | Texrat | it can be thanksless |
| 03:34.15 | Texrat | thankless |
| 03:34.18 | Texrat | yes |
| 03:34.26 | GeneralAntilles | Although I think he's better off than the unofficial Nokians who hang around. |
| 03:34.36 | Texrat | man did I piss him off when we first encountered each other...lol |
| 03:34.38 | GeneralAntilles | Since he's actually enabled. |
| 03:34.46 | zerojayPC | Really? |
| 03:34.54 | Texrat | does that count for ex Nokians? |
| 03:34.56 | Texrat | :p |
| 03:35.03 | Texrat | I was partially enabled...lol |
| 03:35.07 | Texrat | sigh |
| 03:35.09 | zerojayPC | How did you manage to piss him off? |
| 03:35.22 | Texrat | I asked what I thoguht was an innocent question... |
| 03:35.27 | GeneralAntilles | . . . by Nokia to respond officially. |
| 03:35.28 | Texrat | on mailing list |
| 03:35.40 | Texrat | "what CAN we tell the community" |
| 03:35.44 | Texrat | hoo boy |
| 03:35.48 | Texrat | it was premature |
| 03:36.14 | Texrat | in hindsight: use single address email |
| 03:36.16 | Texrat | ;) |
| 03:36.58 | Texrat | when he invited me to Ruhoalahti <sp> I was scared shitless |
| 03:37.11 | Texrat | he's such an intense guy |
| 03:37.26 | zerojayPC | He does have those eyes THAT PIERCE YOUR SOUL. |
| 03:38.06 | zerojayPC | Mac gets cracked in 10 seconds.. lol |
| 03:38.11 | Luke-Jr | Hi. |
| 03:38.26 | Macer | hm |
| 03:39.23 | Macer | another day |
| 03:41.06 | Macer | abiword is actually pretty good for what it is |
| 03:41.16 | Macer | although i can't print from it straight off the tablet :( |
| 03:41.27 | Texrat | sad but true |
| 03:41.49 | Macer | Texrat: i was hoping someone could make a cups/hildon ver |
| 03:41.57 | Macer | for maemo4 before maemo is discontinued ;) |
| 03:42.00 | Texrat | someone was trying... |
| 03:42.11 | Texrat | I'll bet it ends up in Mer |
| 03:42.16 | Texrat | bluetooth printing |
| 03:42.21 | Luke-Jr | Macer: Maemo 4 has been discontinued for a LONG time |
| 03:42.47 | Macer | Luke-Jr: maybe maemo4 itself |
| 03:43.01 | Macer | but some people are still working on its apps |
| 03:43.15 | Macer | Texrat: i have a cups deb |
| 03:43.19 | Macer | it works great |
| 03:43.27 | Macer | all it really needs is an abiword with cups support :) |
| 03:43.37 | Texrat | ah |
| 03:43.46 | Luke-Jr | Macer: come help me move |
| 03:43.50 | Macer | Luke-Jr: haha |
| 03:43.55 | Macer | ask one of your 10 kids |
| 03:43.58 | Stskeeps | ponders to go back to sleep as he's awake at 5am |
| 03:44.08 | Macer | Stskeeps: don't take this the wrong way |
| 03:44.14 | Macer | but... you are just married |
| 03:44.19 | Macer | you should be having sex now |
| 03:44.24 | Luke-Jr | Macer: I need to move tomorrow, not in 8 years |
| 03:44.30 | Macer | put the irc down |
| 03:44.32 | Macer | and prioritize |
| 03:44.33 | Texrat | slaps Stskeeps around a bit with a large trout |
| 03:44.39 | Luke-Jr | Macer: sex is midnight to 4 AM |
| 03:44.41 | Luke-Jr | not 5 AM |
| 03:44.41 | Texrat | Carsten |
| 03:44.51 | Macer | Luke-Jr: pfft |
| 03:44.52 | Stskeeps | morn Texrat :) |
| 03:44.59 | Texrat | I need a Mer vector graphic |
| 03:45.00 | zerojayPC | Yet another great reason for Nokia to go with T-Mobile: http://redtape.msnbc.com/2009/09/rob-connor-of-charleston-sc-watches-his-bills-carefully-so-hes-pretty-steamed-that-soon-hes-going-to-have-to-pay-for-th.html |
| 03:45.03 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, 3 hours or so 'til Nokia World. |
| 03:45.22 | Texrat | can you email me one to texrat@ovi.com? |
| 03:45.24 | Stskeeps | Texrat: check wiki /Mer/Aerwork |
| 03:45.27 | Texrat | ah |
| 03:45.29 | Stskeeps | Texrat: check wiki /Mer/Artwork |
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| 03:45.45 | Texrat | wiki needs better nav structure |
| 03:45.56 | GeneralAntilles | tried. |
| 03:46.03 | Stskeeps | sorry, i'm tablet-mostly these days, moving so :P |
| 03:46.09 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: LOL? |
| 03:46.13 | GeneralAntilles | Then I gave up trying to slot 10 articles a day into the structure. |
| 03:46.18 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: wtf does he think T-Mobile is? Internet access |
| 03:47.20 | Texrat | I know you did GA |
| 03:47.33 | Texrat | hey you guys vote on my website bug dammit |
| 03:47.47 | Texrat | 2 friggin votes |
| 03:47.51 | Texrat | feh |
| 03:47.51 | Firebird | linkage? |
| 03:47.56 | Texrat | hang on |
| 03:48.38 | Texrat | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4959 |
| 03:48.43 | Texrat | vote and COMMENT |
| 03:48.49 | Texrat | you get karma :p |
| 03:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | Texrat, shit. |
| 03:49.38 | Texrat | ? |
| 03:49.45 | GeneralAntilles | I still need to prod people about doing a content cleanup sprint before October. |
| 03:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | sighs. |
| 03:49.51 | GeneralAntilles | So much to do, so little time. |
| 03:49.53 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:50.00 | Texrat | I am trying to help more |
| 03:50.05 | GeneralAntilles | Missed the sprint meeting this morning. |
| 03:50.13 | Texrat | convinced wife it's all for Amsterdam trip |
| 03:50.19 | GeneralAntilles | Hadn't been able to attend for so long I completely forgot about it. |
| 03:50.37 | Texrat | she know I need to go and lobby for another job with Nokia ...lol |
| 03:50.55 | GeneralAntilles | You're going to end up having to move your whole family to Helsinki. |
| 03:51.01 | GeneralAntilles | Then you're going to freeze to death. |
| 03:51.11 | Texrat | I had an offer but she won't move |
| 03:51.23 | GeneralAntilles | Can't say I blame her. |
| 03:51.30 | GeneralAntilles | is Florida through and through. |
| 03:51.31 | Texrat | Nokia managers in san diego, helsinki and Mountain view wanted me |
| 03:51.32 | Texrat | :( |
| 03:51.42 | Texrat | I'd go |
| 03:51.44 | GeneralAntilles | If it gets below 40-degrees I die. |
| 03:51.47 | Texrat | I love helsinki |
| 03:51.51 | Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: hey, I should stop by when I'm in FL! |
| 03:51.53 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: K? |
| 03:51.54 | Texrat | not so cold there |
| 03:52.13 | Texrat | shit I was walkign Helsinki streets in mid winter |
| 03:52.37 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, F. :D |
| 03:53.07 | zerojayPC | Quebec gets about as cold as Helsinki, I believe. |
| 03:53.11 | zerojayPC | Might even get more snow. |
| 03:53.15 | Texrat | it really isn't so bad |
| 03:53.27 | zerojayPC | I prefer the cold anyways. |
| 03:53.28 | GeneralAntilles | Moving 200 miles north in Florida nearly did me in. |
| 03:53.28 | Texrat | you ought to see those Finns attack the street snow |
| 03:53.33 | Texrat | holy shit they're fast |
| 03:53.52 | Luke-Jr | Finns are penguin-human hybrids, right? |
| 03:53.56 | Texrat | ... |
| 03:54.10 | Texrat | maybe I'll say Suomi ;) |
| 03:54.21 | Luke-Jr | is that penguin language? |
| 03:54.25 | Texrat | ...... |
| 03:54.41 | timoph | Luke-Jr: that's us Finns :) |
| 03:55.12 | Texrat | Yeah Timo is a good common Finnish name |
| 03:55.27 | Luke-Jr | [22:54:49] â You have kicked theholyduck from the channel (Finns are penguin-human hybrids that say Suomi. you must say Suomi too. crazy norwegian.). |
| 03:55.31 | Luke-Jr | my tribute to Suomi |
| 03:55.43 | Texrat | lol |
| 03:55.58 | zerojayPC | I have no real idea of what "Finnish" really means. |
| 03:56.13 | zerojayPC | So I just think of Nokia as a giant company of Dudesons. |
| 03:56.18 | Texrat | Finn was a famous Celtic myth hero ;) |
| 03:56.51 | zerojayPC | And if you don't know the Dudesons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pqFK9LZ14A |
| 03:56.54 | Luke-Jr | why does English make entirely new labels for countries/languages that have absolutely nothing in common with that country/language's real name? |
| 03:57.33 | Texrat | try reading the kalevala... very wild |
| 03:57.38 | Texrat | Finnish mythology |
| 03:57.53 | Luke-Jr | is that like the Dofboh? |
| 03:57.59 | Texrat | Luke I'm sure there's a common root |
| 03:58.10 | Texrat | the celts were all over back then |
| 03:58.11 | Luke-Jr | really? I just made that name up from thin air. |
| 03:58.15 | Texrat | ... |
| 03:58.20 | Texrat | not that |
| 03:58.22 | Luke-Jr | o |
| 03:58.44 | Luke-Jr | is in an interesting mood tonight. |
| 03:58.57 | Texrat | we;ll be the judge of that |
| 03:59.40 | Luke-Jr | nou |
| 03:59.43 | SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: All countries do that |
| 03:59.51 | Luke-Jr | SpeedEvil: why? |
| 04:00.05 | SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: because back in the day - there was no google earth. |
| 04:00.28 | SpeedEvil | Luke-Jr: The country got named after whatever the guy that went there and came back said it was called. |
| 04:01.17 | SpeedEvil | And after that, you know what it's called - and it's only wierdos in foreign lands that insist you're wrong, and you can ignore them. |
| 04:01.27 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 04:01.34 | Texrat | lol |
| 04:01.54 | Luke-Jr | rejects this tradition. |
| 04:01.58 | derf | Ergo, "Japan". |
| 04:02.04 | Texrat | yay another vote for my bug |
| 04:02.04 | Luke-Jr | derf: Nippon* |
| 04:02.12 | Texrat | thank you, anonymous voter |
| 04:02.14 | derf | Not even the Japanese call it that anymore. |
| 04:02.24 | Luke-Jr | what? O.o |
| 04:02.30 | derf | It's Nihon now. |
| 04:02.33 | Luke-Jr | Nihonjin* |
| 04:02.55 | Luke-Jr | Nihonjin don't use the formal term? |
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| 04:03.09 | derf | Maybe if they want to look stuck up and/or old. |
| 04:03.30 | derf | But not in everyday conversation, no. |
| 04:03.51 | Luke-Jr | hum |
| 04:04.26 | Luke-Jr | I think the most usage I've heard recently was in Code Geass :þ |
| 04:04.36 | Luke-Jr | usually people don't talk about Nihon |
| 04:05.16 | derf | I mean, where the hell do you think the "Nihon" in "Nihonjin" comes from? |
| 04:05.21 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
| 04:06.08 | derf | No, thanks. |
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| 04:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | Live in 2:45. http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
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| 04:20.58 | oilinki | arg. that website shrinks my browser window when selecting the speakers times |
| 04:21.32 | Texrat | no way I can stay up that late |
| 04:21.40 | Texrat | in fact I must say good night |
| 04:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Later. |
| 04:22.00 | Texrat | later all |
| 04:22.01 | oilinki | GeneralAntilles: what timezone? |
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| 04:22.22 | johnx | gwah. 2h45m not 2m45s |
| 04:22.25 | johnx | hmm |
| 04:22.30 | johnx | I might do it anyways :> |
| 04:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | oilinki, 3AM EST |
| 04:22.42 | oilinki | argh.. live in (not at) |
| 04:22.58 | oilinki | so goog morning everyone.. still drinking my morning coffee :) |
| 04:23.16 | johnx | also: in firefox, turn off the thing that lets js shrink windows |
| 04:23.26 | johnx | in another browser: use firefox |
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| 04:25.09 | oilinki | johnx: done. I'm using noscript for most of the sites, but nokia.com was enabled. therefore shrinking windows does not happen so often. |
| 04:25.55 | johnx | yeah, whenever I end up reinstalling I always forget to turn it off until it happens at the most annoying time |
| 04:26.52 | oilinki | is there something really new coming out today at nokia world? |
| 04:27.37 | johnx | I expect more hands on with the N900 |
| 04:28.01 | johnx | the "announcement" for it the other day seems like the hype-builder for "Nokia World" |
| 04:28.49 | oilinki | that's true. |
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| 04:31.29 | zerojayPC | Peter@Maemo said there's about 100 people walking around with N900s right now there at Nokia World. |
| 04:31.42 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 04:31.45 | johnx | very cool |
| 04:32.19 | zerojayPC | http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo/status/3704848286 |
| 04:33.38 | johnx | "...spokepersons equipped to show a little Maemo magic." >_< |
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| 04:41.30 | ReKlipz1 | Hey all. Has anyone put any work into getting a device bootable Android on the n810? |
| 04:41.54 | johnx | google: nitdroid |
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| 04:44.02 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: thank you very much. I assume the things that are / are not working are the same as those that the chroot'd "android" support? |
| 04:44.19 | johnx | I wouldn't necessarily say that |
| 04:45.42 | ReKlipz1 | why is that? |
| 04:46.24 | johnx | chrooting from maemo gets things setup in a certain way that would be a lot different than if you were really booting straight into android |
| 04:47.00 | ReKlipz1 | are you thinking that chroot would have more support than booting "android" |
| 04:47.05 | johnx | I'm not entirely sure how they have it setup, but assuming it works the same in both cases isn't really a safe bet I would think |
| 04:47.19 | ReKlipz1 | I understand |
| 04:47.40 | ReKlipz1 | also, I thought android was an open source / community contributed project |
| 04:47.40 | johnx | uhm, I didn't say that, and I don't really know which one works out better, because I've never used it |
| 04:47.53 | ReKlipz1 | why can't nitdroid contribute directly to the project? |
| 04:49.23 | johnx | how many corporate based open source projects have you contributed code to? (I'm trying to figure out how to answer this in a way that makes sense, not trying to talk down to you.) |
| 04:50.50 | ReKlipz1 | I like to think I'm fairly familiar with them. I've contributed quite a bit in the sense of feedback (bug reports and the associated), but not necessarily code to be committed to a repository. I'm not sure what exactly constitutes as corporate based. |
| 04:51.04 | ReKlipz1 | I've used Java. |
| 04:51.06 | ReKlipz1 | :) |
| 04:51.40 | ReKlipz1 | also, I just realized there is a #nitdroid, so sorry for not directing my questions there first |
| 04:51.47 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 04:51.53 | johnx | to get your code accepted it has to be 1) of high quality 2) that fits in well to the project 3) doesn't break anything |
| 04:52.27 | ReKlipz1 | alright, I see where you're going |
| 04:52.45 | johnx | so, my guess is that they had to make a couple changes for the N8x0 that don't work well/at all for other hardware platforms, OR they only really changed code outside the core of Android to make Android boot |
| 04:53.06 | johnx | and the Android guys probably aren't willing to put in the effort to maintain an N8x0 port |
| 04:53.23 | johnx | OR they just didn't have the energy to clean everything up nice and try and make the case to upstream |
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| 04:53.30 | ReKlipz1 | gotcha |
| 04:53.42 | johnx | though, yeah, ask them :) |
| 04:54.13 | ReKlipz1 | one final question (moving away from nitdroid) |
| 04:54.14 | ReKlipz1 | ? |
| 04:54.20 | SpeedEvil | ReKlipz1: mozilla/firefox - forex |
| 04:54.42 | SpeedEvil | Or powertop |
| 04:55.49 | ReKlipz1 | hmm... |
| 04:56.04 | ReKlipz1 | the Linux Kernel itself? |
| 04:56.16 | ReKlipz1 | (just trying to figure where the line gets drawn) |
| 04:56.25 | ReKlipz1 | Maemo? Debian? |
| 04:56.32 | zerojayPC | ? |
| 04:56.44 | johnx | sorry, what are you asking? |
| 04:56.50 | slonopotamus_ | ? |
| 04:57.07 | ReKlipz1 | corporate based foss |
| 04:57.17 | slonopotamus_ | ReKlipz1, you didn't ask anything. |
| 04:57.32 | zerojayPC | syntax error |
| 04:57.37 | johnx | ah, well, the Linux kernel would be another great example of someplace it's hard to get patches :) |
| 04:57.53 | slonopotamus | zerojayPC, same here |
| 04:58.34 | ReKlipz1 | SpeedEvil: gave examples of co. based foss, and I was trying to determine where foss that I was familiar with fell in relation |
| 04:58.50 | ReKlipz1 | it's irrelevant |
| 04:59.09 | zerojayPC | mmkay |
| 04:59.41 | johnx | ReKlipz1, similar to mozilla while it was still a netscape project maybe |
| 05:00.33 | RST38h | Eclipse! Eclipse! |
| 05:01.32 | ReKlipz1 | yeah, pretty much any java app that has any inkling of merit I would think (JBoss, Hibernate, Apache *, ...) |
| 05:02.35 | johnx | except it's really Google's project. whereas the Linux kernel has lots of people tugging it in different directions |
| 05:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | No this is an expensive phone http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/samsung-omnia-2-pre-order-page-now-live-tempting-you-with-debt/ |
| 05:04.12 | RST38h | Apache is not a Java app |
| 05:04.13 | ReKlipz1 | yeah, I would just think Google would be all for porting Android as much as possible, regardless of the state (within reason, not giving Android a bad rap). |
| 05:04.22 | zerojayPC | They aren't. |
| 05:04.38 | ReKlipz1 | RST38h: * == wildcard, from a subset of Apache techs. Namely Apache Struts |
| 05:04.39 | ReKlipz1 | Apache Ant |
| 05:04.52 | zerojayPC | THat's part of the reason why Android is set up the way it is. |
| 05:05.04 | RST38h | ReKlipz1: Struts is not Apache and is not a technology |
| 05:05.12 | ReKlipz1 | Struts is apache |
| 05:05.29 | ReKlipz1 | http://struts.apache.org/ |
| 05:05.29 | RST38h | Struts is a "solution" i.e. unless you need it, you have no idea what it does or is (and reading a book does not help) |
| 05:06.21 | ReKlipz1 | I disagree.. reading a book can help. |
| 05:06.32 | ReKlipz1 | agreed on the terminology, sorry |
| 05:06.33 | RST38h | Book on Struts is pretty useless |
| 05:06.42 | RST38h | tried, did not understand a thing |
| 05:06.50 | ReKlipz1 | for you perhaps |
| 05:07.00 | zerojayPC | taps out, can't stay up waiting on Nokia World any longer. |
| 05:07.03 | ReKlipz1 | honestly, books on solutions in general don't work |
| 05:07.04 | zerojayPC | snores. |
| 05:07.16 | Stskeeps | passes caffeine shots around |
| 05:07.19 | RST38h | For me and for at least one friend of mine |
| 05:07.27 | ReKlipz1 | they don't work for me either |
| 05:07.35 | RST38h | I am a CS PhD and he heads a software company |
| 05:07.38 | SpeedEvil | GeneralAntilles: is that more or less a n900 with no keyb? |
| 05:07.41 | ReKlipz1 | but I'm not about to say they don't work for anyone |
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| 05:07.55 | RST38h | Neither of us has got any idea what Struts is =) |
| 05:08.10 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 05:08.13 | SpeedEvil | I used it earlier today to hold up a tarpaulin. |
| 05:08.24 | RST38h | Did it work? =) |
| 05:08.30 | SpeedEvil | No, it fell down. |
| 05:08.45 | slonopotamus | it's just action-based web ramework, nothing special. |
| 05:08.59 | slonopotamus | s/ra/fra/ |
| 05:09.08 | ReKlipz1 | noice! |
| 05:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | SpeedEvil, not even close. |
| 05:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | ARM11 |
| 05:09.35 | kirma | generalantilles: pre-order list price for N900 is 999.99 euros on .fi web shop... but they always put that as the preordering price for sub-1000 euro products that they can't price in advance |
| 05:09.47 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Figures. |
| 05:10.03 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
| 05:10.04 | GeneralAntilles | can do it. |
| 05:10.36 | ReKlipz1 | what's the n900 running? |
| 05:10.39 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Isn't....mmm...CGI enough? :) |
| 05:10.47 | RST38h | ReKlipz: CortexA8 |
| 05:10.58 | GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, OMAP3430 |
| 05:11.05 | ReKlipz1 | cort... thought so |
| 05:11.17 | ReKlipz1 | sounds pretty... awesome |
| 05:11.17 | slonopotamus | RST38h, even asm is turing-complete. |
| 05:11.43 | RST38h | slonopotamus: that too, but still, isn't CGI enough? |
| 05:11.59 | RST38h | I mean, it has got actions, it has got arguments... |
| 05:12.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-n900-various-colours/dp/B0000C4GEU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1251868326&sr=8-1 |
| 05:12.43 | slonopotamus | RST38h, cgi sucks under high load 'cause of per-request forking |
| 05:13.49 | RST38h | slonopotamus: that depends on how your server is treating it |
| 05:13.54 | ReKlipz1 | RST38h: CGI might be enough |
| 05:14.02 | ReKlipz1 | but, that depends on the other solutions you are using |
| 05:14.04 | kirma | generalantilles: wasn't it 3420? |
| 05:14.13 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, no. |
| 05:14.16 | RST38h | 3430 |
| 05:14.22 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3420 lacks a DSP |
| 05:14.24 | RST38h | You have been looking for 3420 yesterday though |
| 05:14.25 | GeneralAntilles | or maybe a PowerVR |
| 05:14.27 | GeneralAntilles | One or the other. |
| 05:14.52 | slonopotamus | RST38h, pure cgi works via forking |
| 05:15.04 | ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: wikipedia claims near equivalence |
| 05:15.11 | RST38h | slonopotamus: again, CGI just defines how data is passed to the server |
| 05:15.19 | RST38h | slonopotamus: has nothing to do with forking |
| 05:15.20 | kirma | wikipedia page is incorrect then if it lacs the DSP |
| 05:15.21 | GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, ARM11 vs Cortex A8? |
| 05:15.31 | slonopotamus | RST38h, next problem - one process per request |
| 05:15.34 | ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: 3420 vs 3430 |
| 05:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, ah, wait, OMAP3420 has a smaller framebuffer. |
| 05:15.44 | ReKlipz1 | wikipedia says both have PowerVR and DSP |
| 05:15.50 | ReKlipz1 | =) |
| 05:15.52 | slonopotamus | RST38h, so threading is required |
| 05:15.53 | GeneralAntilles | The OMAP3410 lacks the PowerVR |
| 05:16.00 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3503 lacks both. |
| 05:16.25 | RST38h | slonopotamus: I do not see this as a problem |
| 05:16.28 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, framebuffers on OMAP3420 are VGA/QVGA |
| 05:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | Instead of XGA/VGA |
| 05:16.33 | ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: those guys are using that stacked chip BGA stuff, right? |
| 05:16.33 | Stskeeps | did anyone start a thread on /opt yet? :P |
| 05:16.35 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Unless you meant "one process per session" |
| 05:16.42 | slonopotamus | RST38h, try forking 2k apaches |
| 05:16.51 | GeneralAntilles | ReKlipz1, board, OMAP, PoP (RAM/NAND) |
| 05:17.07 | RST38h | slonopotamus: 20 computers, 100 apaches per computer, no problem |
| 05:17.15 | ReKlipz1 | GeneralAntilles: neat. too bad that eliminates hobby use... |
| 05:17.20 | kirma | heh, spotting the difference from TI page is quite a challenge too :) |
| 05:17.22 | RST38h | slonopotamus: but again we are probably talking of sessions, not requests |
| 05:17.33 | slonopotamus | RST38h, requests |
| 05:17.59 | GeneralAntilles | kirma, yeah, the OMAP3420 confused me for the longest time. |
| 05:18.09 | johnx | ReKlipz1, only if your hobby is building boards themselves. The beagle is pretty awesome for hobbyist stuff involving an OMAP3 |
| 05:18.11 | GeneralAntilles | and I always recall being confused about it, but never why. |
| 05:18.42 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: I <3 you |
| 05:18.59 | RST38h | slonopotamus: then it is not correct |
| 05:19.07 | ReKlipz1 | I am totally buying one of those |
| 05:19.42 | slonopotamus | RST38h, w/e. you can do webapps with cgi. and it'll work. but some things will require more work than if you used some lib. |
| 05:19.48 | RST38h | slonopotamus: inside a session there is only a limited number of requests at a time, so this is not really a problem. You can handle them all in a single process |
| 05:19.54 | Luke-Jr | I think there's a hobby board with the Samsung S3C6410 too.. |
| 05:20.32 | RST38h | slonopotamus: a library is ok, a java framework is not |
| 05:20.39 | johnx | and then there's that thing based off of the marvell if you need more RAM and can live with an older ARM, slower clock-for-clock |
| 05:20.42 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 > ARM11 |
| 05:20.59 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't the Marvell board pushing $500, though? |
| 05:20.59 | RST38h | slonopotamus: and yes, once you start talking about thousands of sessions, it does make sense to implement your own web server or modify apache |
| 05:21.33 | kirma | RST38h: sounds unscalable solution. with scalable design, you can handle millions of concurrent HTTP TCP connections on a single system... of course the typical operation of such a system tends to be different, but I personally know it's far from impossible |
| 05:21.54 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, try $100 in a case or $150 with more outputs than you can shake a stick at |
| 05:22.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, didn't realize they were that cheap. |
| 05:22.16 | johnx | actually |
| 05:22.22 | johnx | let me check that last price |
| 05:22.32 | johnx | the OpenRD desktop was what I really wanted |
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| 05:23.01 | RST38h | kirma: not with java |
| 05:24.03 | slonopotamus | RST38h, erlang, maybe? |
| 05:24.08 | RST38h | kirma: and no, millions is stretching it, for a single x86-based system. But up to 100k will probably do |
| 05:24.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, ah, the OpenRD client in a case with all those outputs is $250...but the base is $150 |
| 05:24.17 | kirma | well, wouldn't be impossible with java either... but thankfully people avoid java insanity in such cases :) |
| 05:24.21 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Folks I know get by with C++, really |
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| 05:24.40 | RST38h | kirma: Not all, to my friend's enjoyment :) |
| 05:25.19 | kirma | RST38h: it's not stretching it. you just have to have your own TCP implementation that glues the handling directly to the higher-level protocol logic |
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| 05:26.10 | kirma | sure, the boxes tend to be pretty high-end stuff for PCs in that case though. and "applications" extremely streamlined... |
| 05:26.26 | RST38h | kirma: TCP implementation or not, handling 1m+ users issuing actual requests is kinda too much for a single x86 box |
| 05:26.49 | RST38h | kirma: Unless it is a 8xCPU box in which case this may work |
| 05:27.15 | RST38h | (probably slowly :)) |
| 05:28.25 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: the sheevaplug? |
| 05:28.31 | inz | dont you anyway need to hack the tcp stack, if you want to handle more than 64k concurrent tcp-connections on single ip? |
| 05:28.55 | johnx | the sheevaplug is nice, though as soon as I saw it I found the OpenRD client w/ case |
| 05:28.58 | inz | oh wait, no you dont |
| 05:29.07 | inz | nevermind |
| 05:29.16 | kirma | well, you may believe or not... but well, there are actually products that do this, since I work with such. sure they're not cheap in comparison to individual single-unit sized servers, but they don't even need to be |
| 05:29.17 | johnx | I want a little ARM box I can set on top of an eSata tower |
| 05:30.27 | kirma | I'm just saying that you really design your software to be as applications-specificly streamlined through the stack, the benefits in comparison to something like Apache+Java that most people see as the way to go are totally incredible. probably in the class on thousands to tens of thousands times more efficient... |
| 05:31.19 | kirma | well, on cases when the service doesn't really involve any real computation, but many really don't need that. |
| 05:32.53 | kirma | inz: you can make that theoretical 64k concurrent connections from *one IP* to *one port in one IP* if you want |
| 05:33.02 | ReKlipz1 | my knowledge of the initfs, rootfs, kernel(fs?), fiasco(image type, i know, but that piece)... of the maemo. Anyone able to set me straight, or know where to look? |
| 05:33.32 | RST38h | kirma: I guess you can design it to handle that many connections, but I am kinda scared to think what happens when all these users decide to do something :) |
| 05:33.46 | johnx | ReKlipz1, FIASCO is a pack with all of them included. Look up the official Nokia flasher to build/flash images |
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| 05:33.57 | johnx | and also the 0xffff flasher |
| 05:34.26 | RST38h | anyways, work time |
| 05:35.02 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: well, I guess what I mean is, how they all interact, what pieces are used when. Going from x86/amd64 based platforms to something like the ARM, I've never dealt with these (if they even existed...) |
| 05:35.02 | kirma | RST38h: predicting scalability and load behaviour is never as simple as marketing people want to claim. but still, many surprising things are possible... :) |
| 05:35.21 | ReKlipz1 | kirma: with enough silicon and $, it can be |
| 05:35.46 | ReKlipz1 | but it usually results in lots of wasted resources (compared to the streamlined "integrated" approach) |
| 05:35.49 | kirma | well, that way maybe. |
| 05:35.54 | johnx | ReKlipz1, the FIASCO image is *everything* needed to flash a working system onto any N800 or N810 no matter what version of the firmware is on it |
| 05:36.14 | johnx | it contains the bootloader's various stages, kernel, initfs and rootfs |
| 05:36.15 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: understood. |
| 05:36.33 | ReKlipz1 | where can I understand these stages (unless you're willing to inform me, I'll listen) |
| 05:37.08 | johnx | well, (bootloaders) -> kernel -> initfs -> rootfs |
| 05:37.17 | Captain_Picard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Biological_clock_human.PNG |
| 05:37.21 | johnx | if you want info on the bootloaders google NOLO xloader |
| 05:37.24 | slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, don't mess with bootloader :) |
| 05:37.50 | johnx | but yeah, if you find yourself wanting to mess with the bootloader take a step back and ask yourself why not just do it at the kernel level |
| 05:38.33 | ReKlipz1 | I don't want to mess with it, I just want to understand how it works. |
| 05:38.51 | ReKlipz1 | to know if I want to mess with it (to make the conclusion you just told me) |
| 05:39.02 | johnx | I don't know if it's really documented officially outside of Nokia |
| 05:39.19 | ReKlipz1 | ah |
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| 05:39.27 | ReKlipz1 | so, it's platform dependent |
| 05:39.30 | johnx | but yeah, the maemo-developers mailing list archives and probably the info surrounding 0xffff |
| 05:39.53 | ReKlipz1 | meaning, another device using the same ARM core, wouldn't be setup the same (necessarilly) |
| 05:40.03 | johnx | correct |
| 05:40.12 | johnx | and the kernel has it's own commandline compiled into it |
| 05:40.31 | johnx | lots of other ARM systems that were open designs from the ground up use uboot |
| 05:40.55 | Meiz_n810 | can uboot be replaced with petitboot? |
| 05:41.01 | slonopotamus | and hw charge controller :/ |
| 05:41.14 | johnx | Meiz_n810, on what system? |
| 05:41.51 | Captain_Picard | dasboot |
| 05:42.14 | Meiz_n810 | johnx, TouchBook :) (beagle-board) |
| 05:42.25 | Meiz_n810 | johnx, would it be a difficult job? |
| 05:42.36 | johnx | I'd probably go with: yes |
| 05:42.56 | johnx | and very likely to result in you bricking your touchbook |
| 05:42.56 | Meiz_n810 | :) |
| 05:43.23 | timeless_mbp | oilinki: no one in their right mind enables scripts for nokia.com :) |
| 05:43.25 | johnx | whereas kexecboot or some variant would be pretty much 100% impossible to brick your device with |
| 05:43.59 | Meiz_n810 | k |
| 05:44.01 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ping |
| 05:44.13 | Meiz_n810 | tests fennec beta 3 |
| 05:44.25 | Captain_Picard | lol |
| 05:44.34 | Captain_Picard | take some pictures Meiz_n810 |
| 05:44.45 | slonopotamus | Meiz_n810, do you believe in fairies? |
| 05:45.30 | inz | i do, i do |
| 05:45.43 | Meiz_n810 | slonopotamus: what do you mean, what's a fairie? |
| 05:45.44 | kirma | if USB boot is not hardwired to not active on N900, the device should never really reach a state where it couldn't be reinstalled without special hardware |
| 05:46.12 | kirma | USB boot functionality is built directly to the OMAP3 chip |
| 05:46.17 | slonopotamus | Meiz_n810, ... magical creatures |
| 05:46.38 | timeless_mbp | inz: do you know anything about glibc? :) |
| 05:46.54 | timeless_mbp | wonders how one goes about building some portion of it |
| 05:46.56 | slonopotamus | fennec is just slow gecko-based browser. and whatever version they put on it, it'll be the same - slow gecko-based browser. |
| 05:47.09 | inz | timeless, not really |
| 05:47.33 | johnx | slonopotamus, slow gecko browser + fast processor = decent speed browser |
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| 05:47.51 | ReKlipz1 | Meiz_n810: touchbook uses a beagle-board? or is simply based off of the design? |
| 05:48.20 | Meiz_n810 | based off the design |
| 05:48.20 | johnx | slonopotamus, I got to play with fennec on their "development device." It was definitely faster than Tear on an N800 in the tests I threw at it |
| 05:48.37 | Meiz_n810 | slonopotamus, true, :) but there has been a lot of progress |
| 05:48.39 | johnx | it's a beagle board with an extra bit growing out of it |
| 05:49.20 | slonopotamus | johnx, ... ff often hangs for several seconds when rendering pages on my core2duo desktop. not fast enough? |
| 05:49.29 | ReKlipz1 | I couldn't really strip it down to a beagle-board though.. right? |
| 05:49.46 | johnx | slonopotamus, I'd say you're using some weird extension, but I seem to be running into the same thing here |
| 05:49.46 | ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: that's probably a config issue |
| 05:50.19 | ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: ff has config to determine when to actually start rendering, so as to not make the page look like it's loading "slowly" |
| 05:50.19 | Meiz_n810 | ohmy.. this beta3 isn't good :( |
| 05:51.10 | slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, whatever page i open, it isn't an excuse to stop responding in other tabs |
| 05:51.17 | johnx | ReKlipz1, well you could take the mainboard out, but it wouldn't exactly be a vanilla beagleboard |
| 05:51.24 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: pong |
| 05:51.35 | Meiz_n810 | is satisfied with the speed of Google Chrome :) |
| 05:51.49 | slonopotamus | ReKlipz1, especially on multicore cpu |
| 05:51.54 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: I wouldn't have thought so, just curious |
| 05:52.00 | kirma | what I wonder is how TrustZone functionality, if used to enforce DRM, is really affected by capability of USB booting. that is, if there are additional hardware mechanisms to prevent tampering TrustZone component images through it without detection... |
| 05:52.09 | ReKlipz1 | slonopotamus: definately, you are describing different behavior, definately not a config issue |
| 05:52.50 | ReKlipz1 | want's a TouchBook |
| 05:53.02 | Pavlov | slonopotamus: there is a ton of work under way to split chrome and content processes in firefox |
| 05:53.13 | Pavlov | plus just general work to be more interruptable |
| 05:53.15 | slonopotamus | brb, need to change machine |
| 05:53.36 | ReKlipz1 | is afraid the touchbook will be obsolete by the time the backorders ship |
| 05:54.03 | johnx | define "obsolete" |
| 05:54.44 | ReKlipz1 | an open project will be started in the same market (aka, thoughbook2), with an OMAP4/5/6/7/... |
| 05:55.02 | ReKlipz1 | but, that's not any different than any other tech... |
| 05:55.41 | ReKlipz1 | shit... |
| 05:55.48 | ReKlipz1 | my hdd needs RMA'd |
| 05:56.15 | Meiz_n810 | i want 4 core Cortex-A9 touchbook with Gigabyte RAM :D |
| 05:56.31 | ReKlipz1 | =) |
| 05:56.39 | summatusmentis | so I wwas away from my nit for a while |
| 05:56.42 | ReKlipz1 | you want to lug around 10lb in LiPoly you mean? |
| 05:56.43 | GAN800 | OMAP4 is end of next year at the earliest. |
| 05:56.52 | GAN800 | Wouldn't worry |
| 05:57.05 | summatusmentis | anything interesting happen in the 9 montsh I stopped playing? |
| 05:57.12 | ReKlipz1 | I was originally thinking about getting a beagle board to play with |
| 05:57.16 | ReKlipz1 | but now I want the toughbook |
| 05:57.23 | GAN800 | ReKlipz1, he didn't specify clock. |
| 05:57.26 | ReKlipz1 | touchbook |
| 05:58.03 | GAN800 | A Cortex A9 with a cores at 250MHz would use significantly less power that a 1GHz A8. |
| 05:58.22 | GAN800 | s/a cores/4 cores; |
| 05:59.10 | ReKlipz1 | GAN800: indeed, I didn't know the A9 existed... Apparently it is planned, and will have 4 cores.. |
| 05:59.23 | Meiz_n810 | 1GHz 4core Cortex-A9 uses only 250mW |
| 05:59.47 | ReKlipz1 | yeah, i retract my earlier comment |
| 05:59.56 | ReKlipz1 | s/will/can |
| 05:59.57 | GAN800 | Up to 4, expect most devices to ship with 2. |
| 06:01.14 | Meiz_n810 | 2 is enough too, :) |
| 06:01.37 | ReKlipz1 | hehe |
| 06:01.45 | ReKlipz1 | @ 2.0GHz? |
| 06:01.51 | ReKlipz1 | I think it will suffice |
| 06:02.16 | ReKlipz1 | question for linux/bash gurus |
| 06:02.22 | Meiz_n810 | lol :) |
| 06:04.36 | Meiz_n810 | actually, Cortex-A8 720MHz is enough beacuse i already bought a TB :P |
| 06:04.50 | ReKlipz1 | I need to backup my 500GB hdd to a CIFS share. I'm RMA'ing the hdd, the hdd is in a raid 0 config. Would dd be the best solution? |
| 06:04.53 | ReKlipz1 | =) |
| 06:05.16 | johnx | tar |
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| 06:06.06 | ReKlipz1 | that's for files though, no? |
| 06:06.25 | ReKlipz1 | I guess I could tar the dev... |
| 06:06.34 | ReKlipz1 | the CIFS >= 3TB |
| 06:06.37 | johnx | yes. what's on your fs that isn't a file? |
| 06:06.47 | kirma | to continue my above speculation: if Nokia wants to ever deploy "good" (reasonably impenetrable) DRM on N900, the device is probably not going to accept a USB boot images that aren't specifically cryptographically signed by them to function the way they want |
| 06:06.47 | Myrtti | dd, rsync, tar |
| 06:06.48 | ReKlipz1 | multiple partitions |
| 06:07.04 | ReKlipz1 | it's part of a raid, only replacing the one drive |
| 06:07.07 | kulve | hmm.. n900 in nokia's finnish netshop now. 599e |
| 06:07.16 | kirma | hmmh |
| 06:07.27 | johnx | ReKlipz1, tar the individual filesystems |
| 06:07.40 | kirma | kulve: url? |
| 06:07.42 | kirma | I don't see it |
| 06:07.43 | johnx | kirma, wouldn't they have to deny root access? |
| 06:07.46 | kulve | kirma: http://kauppa.nokia.fi/nokia-fi/product.aspx?sku=6958193&culture=fi-FI |
| 06:07.53 | msh_ | kirma: they could make it all-or-nothing - the original/signed FS won't boot/run if it's modified |
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| 06:08.03 | msh_ | but separate images would still boot |
| 06:08.04 | jaska | n900 wasnt there yesterday |
| 06:08.04 | kirma | oh, now I see it |
| 06:08.22 | Myrtti | kulve: so, that would make the price in vk.fi to what? |
| 06:08.40 | kirma | any discount codes available? |
| 06:08.47 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: it's a multiboot setup. using tar on each fs, would require getting ntfs to work, as well as recreating the raid upon reinstallation |
| 06:08.49 | jaska | doesnt show pricing.. or any dates |
| 06:09.13 | ReKlipz1 | i could just dd the raw data, and dd it back to the new drive, that ought to work, no? |
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| 06:09.20 | kulve | Myrtti: sorry, I don't understand your questiong |
| 06:09.21 | kulve | -g |
| 06:09.29 | johnx | ReKlipz1, aaah, backing up NTFS. dd that volume at least |
| 06:10.34 | ReKlipz1 | heh, don't really care about the ntfs volume to be honest... |
| 06:10.38 | Captain_Picard | i think verkkokauppa |
| 06:10.42 | Captain_Picard | is gonna sell for atleast 600 euro+ |
| 06:10.51 | ReKlipz1 | screw it, I'll just start from scratch |
| 06:10.52 | Myrtti | kulve: as you know, kauppa.nokia isn't wellknown for their cheap prices ;-) |
| 06:10.53 | ReKlipz1 | :P |
| 06:11.03 | Captain_Picard | im guessing 610 euros :P |
| 06:11.09 | Captain_Picard | expensive |
| 06:11.12 | Myrtti | Captain_Picard: usually their prices are cheaper tho |
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| 06:11.27 | ReKlipz1 | now to figure out why these drives are failing... |
| 06:11.37 | Captain_Picard | im guessing idealo.de will offer them cheaper |
| 06:11.39 | ReKlipz1 | why isn't SMART enabled when you need it |
| 06:12.54 | kulve | Myrtti: I didn't know that vk.fi is an alias to verkkokauppa.com :) |
| 06:13.09 | kirma | ordered from nokia... |
| 06:13.28 | Myrtti | kulve: you're welcome |
| 06:13.33 | jaska | yay |
| 06:14.55 | kulve | Myrtti: 999e in vk.fi, but I guess the price will drop. But I'm not going to preorder it on that price ;) |
| 06:16.59 | Myrtti | kulve: that's the standard preorder price |
| 06:17.16 | kirma | I wonder who delivers typically faster, nokia or verkkokauppa |
| 06:17.17 | kirma | by any sense, it should be nokia... |
| 06:17.25 | kulve | Myrtti: ok. |
| 06:17.53 | mikkov_ | nokia.fi usually has 10% higher price than elsewhere |
| 06:17.56 | kirma | of course, I might have waited if nokia was going to announce *other* models today that are better... |
| 06:18.39 | kirma | mikkov: I think that didn't really apply to earlier internet tablets (?) |
| 06:19.02 | Myrtti | 770 wasn't even sold in Finland |
| 06:19.03 | Myrtti | IIRC |
| 06:19.05 | mikkov_ | kirma: that's true internet tablets were exception |
| 06:19.06 | timeless_mbp | oh wow |
| 06:19.12 | timeless_mbp | learns a secret |
| 06:19.32 | mikkov_ | Myrtti: yes it was |
| 06:19.56 | Myrtti | I never saw it - then again I had one in my use since early 2006 too for free |
| 06:20.07 | Myrtti | s/one/three/ |
| 06:20.10 | mikkov_ | vk.com had |
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| 06:20.23 | timeless_mbp | oh awesome |
| 06:20.26 | kirma | then again: I think pretty much any preorder/postal order can be trivially disputed in .fi, if I want. if nokia magically publishes Maemo devices that it has managed to keep secret, I mean... |
| 06:20.27 | timeless_mbp | likes some of these bugs |
| 06:20.29 | Myrtti | mikkov_: before or after publication of n800? |
| 06:21.02 | mikkov_ | Myrtti: before |
| 06:21.43 | timeless_mbp | hey, have people seen 2009.nseries.com/ ? |
| 06:21.54 | Captain_Picard | no why |
| 06:22.34 | Captain_Picard | the page |
| 06:22.37 | Captain_Picard | is full of old videos |
| 06:22.49 | timeless_mbp | well, i'm just amused that the domain exists |
| 06:23.26 | Captain_Picard | :\? |
| 06:23.43 | Captain_Picard | its not like domains would cost nokia anything |
| 06:24.48 | timeless_mbp | you wouldn't believe how much pain simple things cost around here :) |
| 06:24.49 | Captain_Picard | why wouldnt they want to claim all the domains that got there trademark |
| 06:25.02 | timeless_mbp | nseries.com has existed for years |
| 06:25.09 | timeless_mbp | i'm only amused by 2009. |
| 06:25.16 | Captain_Picard | lol well thats a subdomain |
| 06:25.18 | Captain_Picard | and its free |
| 06:25.33 | timeless_mbp | nothing in life is free |
| 06:25.41 | Captain_Picard | subdomains are |
| 06:25.48 | timeless_mbp | i'm sure someone at nokia is paying someone else at nokia to maintain the subdomain |
| 06:25.55 | timeless_mbp | which in fact just redirects somewhere |
| 06:26.07 | Captain_Picard | well the website is another thing |
| 06:26.21 | Captain_Picard | the subdomain is still free |
| 06:26.24 | timeless_mbp | remember, in companies, lifting a finger costs money |
| 06:26.31 | timeless_mbp | lifting more fingers costs more money |
| 06:26.48 | Captain_Picard | not really |
| 06:27.02 | Captain_Picard | because all the fingers should be working hard anyway |
| 06:27.02 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 06:27.06 | Captain_Picard | it doesnt cost them more |
| 06:27.07 | Myrtti | CAKE |
| 06:27.11 | Captain_Picard | they just make use of all the fingers. |
| 06:27.34 | Captain_Picard | instead of the fingers sleeping at work |
| 06:27.37 | Captain_Picard | they make them move! |
| 06:27.39 | timeless_mbp | Captain_Picard: my group is billed monthly for a laptop i'm not using |
| 06:27.49 | timeless_mbp | it shows up as a "cost" |
| 06:27.56 | Captain_Picard | thats internal money |
| 06:28.02 | timeless_mbp | it's still money :) |
| 06:28.16 | Captain_Picard | it doesnt cost nokia it its virtual money |
| 06:28.19 | timeless_mbp | and if we try hard enough, it might be external money too |
| 06:28.23 | timeless_mbp | if our support is contracted out :) |
| 06:28.47 | timeless_mbp | so if the nseries domain is managed by a contractor, they could hypothetically bill for the creation/maintenance of the subdomain :) |
| 06:29.00 | timeless_mbp | (this wouldn't shock me, although i really don't want to know) |
| 06:29.54 | timeless_mbp | anyway, it's time for me to crawl to work |
| 06:33.14 | kirma | yep |
| 06:33.16 | kirma | finally |
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| 06:34.28 | Captain_Picard | show me some killer apps |
| 06:34.30 | Captain_Picard | for maemo 5 |
| 06:34.33 | Captain_Picard | and some games please |
| 06:34.53 | Captain_Picard | i want to know if there is actually anything good! |
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| 06:35.17 | vasily_pupkin | O_o |
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| 06:35.58 | qole | Seems only appropriate that I have a glass of absinthe by my side. |
| 06:36.02 | doc|home | Captain_Picard: what do we look like, search engines? |
| 06:36.28 | Stskeeps | lo qole |
| 06:36.55 | qole | howdy... just thought I'd hang out here for the Big Announcements |
| 06:37.27 | Stskeeps | how long time to it? |
| 06:38.09 | qole | 25 minutes or so |
| 06:38.24 | qole | #NW09 starts at 9am |
| 06:38.43 | qole | It's just about midnight here, so Absinthe doesn't seem out of place. |
| 06:38.57 | qole | I guess it is breakfast time for you Europeans :D |
| 06:39.18 | GAN800 | Captain_Picard, it hasn't been released yet. . . . |
| 06:39.27 | Stskeeps | hm, sure? 9am CET? |
| 06:39.32 | Stskeeps | or CEST |
| 06:39.37 | johnx | qole, didn't know you were in my timezone |
| 06:39.40 | johnx | CET |
| 06:39.48 | qole | That's what it says here: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 06:40.02 | qole | johnx you on the west coast too?!?! |
| 06:40.27 | johnx | yup, but south of you it seems ;) |
| 06:40.48 | Stskeeps | cos it's soon 9am CEST |
| 06:40.49 | qole | In the land of Cellular Choice. |
| 06:40.55 | johnx | Captain_Picard, why not beam on over to: http://maemo.nokia.com/ |
| 06:41.15 | Captain_Picard | crapy site! |
| 06:41.26 | Myrtti | leaf-sheep: /wii Captain_Picard |
| 06:41.29 | Myrtti | perh |
| 06:41.33 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 06:41.41 | Myrtti | hmmm |
| 06:41.45 | johnx | Captain_Picard, remember how you asked about "killer apps." They're listed on the site I just linked |
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| 06:41.53 | Myrtti | no, can't decide if I know you from somewhere |
| 06:41.58 | Captain_Picard | i meen custom apps |
| 06:41.59 | qole | Hmm. "Currently no cities are observing CET" http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/eu/cet.html |
| 06:42.00 | Myrtti | too little data |
| 06:42.05 | *** join/#maemo _marcell_ (n=malengye@esprx01x.nokia.com) |
| 06:42.08 | Captain_Picard | i dont meen the normal nokia software package :p |
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| 06:42.34 | slonopotamus | Captain_Picard, killer apps for maemo 5? gcc :) |
| 06:42.57 | johnx | Captain_Picard, that. site. lists. the. top. non-Nokia. apps. |
| 06:43.03 | johnx | Look. Very. Carefully. |
| 06:43.38 | Captain_Picard | Foreca? |
| 06:43.42 | Captain_Picard | thats cant be in the top 4! |
| 06:43.48 | Captain_Picard | a damn weather application :D |
| 06:43.53 | qole | Everyone wants to know the weather |
| 06:43.58 | Myrtti | mauku ⥠|
| 06:44.17 | Captain_Picard | i dont twitter or facebook |
| 06:44.17 | qole | XChat! |
| 06:44.36 | Captain_Picard | openssh client is probally the best thing |
| 06:44.44 | qole | sshfs |
| 06:44.46 | Captain_Picard | so i can irssi :p |
| 06:44.49 | ReKlipz1 | anyone running maemo 5? |
| 06:45.11 | Captain_Picard | why do nerds like us need a program called ecoach? |
| 06:45.22 | Myrtti | Captain_Picard: er, it's not only for nerds. |
| 06:45.24 | Captain_Picard | like we would do any sporting?! |
| 06:45.32 | Myrtti | the N900, that is |
| 06:45.44 | qole | Captain_Picard, I'm not a fat lazy slob. Are you? |
| 06:45.59 | Captain_Picard | im lazy but not fat |
| 06:46.34 | Captain_Picard | seriously nokia needs to rearrange the top 4 programs |
| 06:46.35 | qole | less than 15 minutes |
| 06:46.54 | Myrtti | if only someone would continue the work done on reverse the Polar HRM's, I've got F6, and it's beeps can be decoded partly by R200 decoder |
| 06:47.09 | Captain_Picard | 1. ssh client, 2 wep aircrack, 3. etc |
| 06:47.17 | Myrtti | getting the info out to (Linux and/or) my phone would be loverly |
| 06:47.32 | qole | wep aircrack? |
| 06:47.34 | qole | wtf? |
| 06:47.41 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 06:47.58 | Captain_Picard | well its not like everyone is going to let you use there wifi! |
| 06:48.14 | Myrtti | I smell a mossy, moist, hairy scent |
| 06:48.19 | Captain_Picard | lol |
| 06:48.22 | johnx | it's a p h o n e. it's connected to the i n t e r n e t all the time. that's the whole point |
| 06:48.24 | doc|home | that be the smell of trolls |
| 06:48.48 | Myrtti | doc|home: you said it, not I |
| 06:49.02 | doc|home | I consider it a team effort Myrtti :) |
| 06:49.06 | doc|home | goes to bed |
| 06:49.33 | johnx | 'night doc|home |
| 06:49.49 | Myrtti | nini doc|home |
| 06:50.00 | Captain_Picard | doc|home: goes to bed? |
| 06:50.05 | Captain_Picard | its 10am soon |
| 06:50.28 | Myrtti | yup, the scent is strong in this one |
| 06:50.57 | kirma | notes that nokia web shop service runs some pretty un-finnish timezone |
| 06:51.14 | kirma | somewhere in US I guess... |
| 06:51.28 | kirma | mail timestamps are interesting |
| 06:51.31 | Myrtti | FUUUUUUU VLC DIED |
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| 06:51.44 | qole | oooh the music just started playing on the Nokia World website!!! |
| 06:51.48 | Myrtti | lol, that a cappella nokia tone is funnyyyyyy |
| 06:52.02 | Myrtti | almost snorted my orange juice to the screen |
| 06:52.26 | Captain_Picard | nice! |
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| 06:53.04 | ReKlipz1 | any way to charge the n810 via the microUSB port? |
| 06:53.23 | kirma | myrtti: where? |
| 06:53.28 | johnx | ReKlipz1, by rewiring it internally |
| 06:53.33 | Myrtti | kirma: events.nokia.com |
| 06:53.35 | qole | There's the video feed of Nokia World!!! |
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| 06:53.43 | kirma | hm |
| 06:53.55 | johnx | w00! |
| 06:53.58 | Stskeeps | woo music |
| 06:54.11 | qole | I am actually more excited than I've been in a while. |
| 06:54.24 | qole | Dying to know what the "astonishing" news is going to be... |
| 06:54.46 | qole | If they announced the netbook and the N900, what could they have up their sleeves? |
| 06:54.47 | kirma | recalls visiting nokia salo plant way back when they said "we don't put such things as calculator on phones" |
| 06:54.48 | Stskeeps | apple bought them? ;p |
| 06:55.02 | qole | Hahahaha |
| 06:55.09 | qole | IBM bought them |
| 06:55.44 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: does this present any drawbacks? namely, USB host (while charging?) |
| 06:55.45 | qole | "La la, la la, drum drum" |
| 06:56.00 | lbt | maemo5 runs in a vm under a windows mobile environment |
| 06:56.12 | Myrtti | ReKlipz1: are you apt in soldering stuff? |
| 06:56.19 | Myrtti | EXCITING |
| 06:56.22 | kirma | nokia world is thankfully not investor conference |
| 06:56.36 | johnx | ReKlipz1, well of course no use of the USB port while charging :P |
| 06:56.41 | ReKlipz1 | Myrtti: indeed, I'm an EE |
| 06:56.48 | qole | quaffing my absinthe a little too hastily in my excitement |
| 06:56.48 | Stskeeps | lbt, i would kill for vmware on n900 |
| 06:56.52 | ReKlipz1 | johnx: I meant while charging via the barrel jack |
| 06:57.18 | lbt | N910... the 5" version... |
| 06:57.25 | johnx | weeell, you're probably better at visualizing the circuit you'd have to make than me |
| 06:57.46 | qole | Ooooh. 5" maemo tablet. lbt, you are such a tease |
| 06:57.49 | ReKlipz1 | toss in a diode with a small Vf I guess... |
| 06:58.02 | ReKlipz1 | a better question: Has anyone done this before? |
| 06:58.06 | lbt | qole: Quim kept saying "device or devices" |
| 06:58.07 | ReKlipz1 | are the traces even exposed? |
| 06:58.29 | johnx | I think someone pulled it off |
| 06:58.56 | qole | Oh it is pretty much known that there'll be multiple devices. But I don't think they're going for 5" tablets. That's just our wishful thinking. |
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| 06:59.53 | qole | I would probably have to get a Maemo tattoo if they announced a 5" tablet running Maemo |
| 06:59.55 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 07:00.12 | Captain_Picard | 5" to much |
| 07:00.15 | Captain_Picard | 4.13" i want |
| 07:00.32 | qole | They already did that. Three times |
| 07:00.48 | Captain_Picard | why not a forth or a fifth? |
| 07:01.00 | Captain_Picard | what about 4.3" |
| 07:01.04 | qole | Why not? |
| 07:01.13 | qole | Actually yeah it was 4.3" |
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| 07:01.29 | qole | woot here comes dave |
| 07:01.37 | *** join/#maemo aSIMULAtor (n=boo@68-117-129-120.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) |
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| 07:01.40 | Captain_Picard | Dave who? |
| 07:01.45 | aSIMULAtor | o hai |
| 07:01.49 | qole | Benson too! Hoorah |
| 07:01.49 | carboncopy | one more hour to go for NW09? |
| 07:02.01 | Captain_Picard | is Jorma Ollila going to be there |
| 07:02.07 | Captain_Picard | with a formula 1 with Shell fuel? |
| 07:02.12 | qole | What? No, don't say an hour, it should be any minute, no? |
| 07:02.35 | Stskeeps | cest vs cet prolly |
| 07:02.41 | GAN800 | Wrong benson |
| 07:02.49 | qole | Oh. |
| 07:02.52 | Stskeeps | it's 9am cest atm |
| 07:02.52 | qole | :( |
| 07:02.58 | carboncopy | ohh web cast |
| 07:03.06 | qole | But there's nobody observing CET. NOBODY |
| 07:03.17 | qole | So they probably meant CEST |
| 07:03.32 | qole | It is 9am in Stuttgart |
| 07:03.41 | qole | Well, 9:03 |
| 07:03.46 | johnx | I thought CEST = CET summertime |
| 07:03.53 | qole | exactly |
| 07:04.12 | ReKlipz1 | can anyone confirm: does the n810 support power via USB when in USB host mode? If it works with an HID device (keyboard, mouse) it would have to, but I have not tried this. |
| 07:04.32 | johnx | ReKlipz1, you get 100mA |
| 07:04.35 | qole | You can power small devices like a keyboard, but not big ones |
| 07:04.39 | Myrtti | OH CHRIST |
| 07:04.43 | Myrtti | that scared me |
| 07:04.44 | qole | WHO WAS THAT |
| 07:04.52 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 07:04.58 | aSIMULAtor | yeah that scared me too |
| 07:05.01 | qole | Some scary woman's voice |
| 07:05.10 | Stskeeps | sounded german for sure |
| 07:05.13 | johnx | O_o; |
| 07:05.17 | lbt | GPS navigation voice |
| 07:05.18 | qole | tight bun on the back of her head |
| 07:05.25 | qole | thin lips |
| 07:05.47 | qole | baddest! |
| 07:05.51 | qole | greediest! |
| 07:05.54 | qole | kindest |
| 07:06.08 | qole | huh? |
| 07:06.29 | *** join/#maemo timeless_mbp (n=timeless@192.100.124.156) |
| 07:06.42 | lbt | kinda quiet? |
| 07:06.59 | carboncopy | i have a problem with my N800 |
| 07:07.03 | carboncopy | hardware problem |
| 07:07.07 | timeless_mbp | ReKlipz1: most of the people standing next to me are running Maemo 5 on N900s |
| 07:07.23 | qole | Ah, you're at #NW09! |
| 07:07.24 | Stskeeps | the rest run diablo? |
| 07:07.28 | qole | HAHAHA |
| 07:07.30 | timeless_mbp | no, we're @HEL |
| 07:07.44 | timeless_mbp | but we're looking at a screen which presumably will be showing NW09 |
| 07:07.46 | qole | Ah, you should all sit down then |
| 07:07.48 | timeless_mbp | is busy ignoring it |
| 07:07.53 | timeless_mbp | is sitting |
| 07:08.03 | lbt | timeless_mbp: anyone running Mer? |
| 07:08.04 | ReKlipz1 | timeless_mbp: yeah, didn't realize maemo 5 used ogl es |
| 07:08.07 | qole | tell the guys standing next to you to sit down too |
| 07:08.15 | Stskeeps | no Mer port yet |
| 07:08.18 | timeless_mbp | ReKlipz1: it was announced ages ago when we explained Clutter |
| 07:08.22 | Stskeeps | should be trivial though |
| 07:08.28 | timeless_mbp | lbt: mer's in my VBox |
| 07:08.35 | qole | on your N900? |
| 07:08.39 | timeless_mbp | when i finish translating this Fingrish, i'll launch Mer |
| 07:08.49 | timeless_mbp | no, VBox is on my MBP :) |
| 07:08.49 | ReKlipz1 | timeless_mbp: I was not around ages ago when you explained Clutter |
| 07:08.57 | timeless_mbp | oh, some noise! |
| 07:08.57 | carboncopy | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 07:09.01 | qole | There's the weird german woman again |
| 07:09.02 | ReKlipz1 | http://www.boxwave.com/products/directsync/directsync-sync-and-charge-cable-nokia-n810_3045.htm |
| 07:09.06 | qole | woah fine print |
| 07:09.07 | carboncopy | is that the place where i can get live webcast? |
| 07:09.08 | ReKlipz1 | seems to be what I want |
| 07:09.11 | Stskeeps | will someone please kill that woman |
| 07:09.26 | Myrtti | *snerk* |
| 07:09.29 | Myrtti | fine print :-D |
| 07:09.42 | johnx | ahahaha |
| 07:09.44 | qole | forward looking statements is why we're here! |
| 07:10.00 | Captain_Picard | whats wrong with |
| 07:10.02 | Captain_Picard | german woman? |
| 07:10.02 | johnx | "Forward looking statement cat looks forward!" |
| 07:10.03 | Myrtti | are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet |
| 07:10.04 | qole | I think they've lost their speaker |
| 07:10.21 | Myrtti | did it start did it start did it start did it start? |
| 07:10.27 | Captain_Picard | no |
| 07:10.28 | qole | no! ARRGHGHG |
| 07:10.40 | Stskeeps | no more random horsie please |
| 07:10.42 | Captain_Picard | Let the german woman speak |
| 07:10.42 | Myrtti | did it start did it start did it start did it start? DADDY DID IT START ALREADY?! |
| 07:10.44 | Captain_Picard | she has rights |
| 07:10.59 | ReKlipz1 | am I like missing out on something huge atm? |
| 07:11.17 | qole | Argha |
| 07:11.17 | Stskeeps | ReKlipz1: nokia world 09 live stream? |
| 07:11.29 | qole | START ALREADY |
| 07:11.40 | qole | ENOUGH STUPID CHARACTERS |
| 07:11.44 | johnx | ReKlipz1, http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 07:11.50 | Stskeeps | more absinthe for the man in the corner! |
| 07:12.22 | GAN800 | http://events.nokia.com/ |
| 07:12.24 | aSIMULAtor | lul |
| 07:12.25 | qole | HERE IT IS |
| 07:12.30 | Myrtti | oh christ |
| 07:12.30 | carboncopy | wtf, narrowband here cause it to be so f* jerky |
| 07:12.53 | Myrtti | I want to kill small kitties because of that intro |
| 07:13.00 | ReKlipz1 | indeed |
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| 07:13.15 | VDVsx | OMG |
| 07:14.21 | carboncopy | Nokia needs CDN in Malaysia |
| 07:14.33 | carboncopy | the narrowband here is really f* up |
| 07:14.38 | ReKlipz1 | loud... |
| 07:14.47 | qole | argh my ears |
| 07:15.16 | aSIMULAtor | not used to the finnish accent? :) |
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| 07:15.33 | qole | no suddenly the volume jumped 3x |
| 07:15.39 | aSIMULAtor | hehe :) |
| 07:15.42 | ReKlipz1 | the volume went from .25 to .89 |
| 07:15.46 | aSIMULAtor | yayayayaya |
| 07:15.48 | aSIMULAtor | \o/ |
| 07:15.49 | Stskeeps | n900! |
| 07:15.52 | qole | There she is. Object of my lust |
| 07:15.53 | reklipz2 | Hi |
| 07:16.05 | qole | I want to stroke her |
| 07:16.21 | qole | Oooh n900, I want you so badly |
| 07:16.23 | johnx | qole, just so you know: I think that's a dude |
| 07:16.32 | johnx | judging by the beard |
| 07:16.36 | aSIMULAtor | looks at her n900 5cm away from her |
| 07:16.41 | qole | the n900 has a beard?! |
| 07:16.59 | jaska | thats what you get for using linux |
| 07:17.00 | kirma | new sort of accessory category |
| 07:17.05 | Stskeeps | aSIMULAtor: lies :( |
| 07:17.05 | johnx | aaah, thought you mean the guy in the contact app :P |
| 07:17.09 | kirma | orthodox jew beard for a phone |
| 07:17.20 | qole | aSIMULAtor: the one that didn't take those pictures on Flickr? ;-) |
| 07:17.32 | Myrtti | lolwhut |
| 07:17.38 | aSIMULAtor | hehe if you check the exif files you'll see they weren't from the device |
| 07:17.43 | aSIMULAtor | i just take photos with my cameras |
| 07:17.45 | qole | heheheh suuuuure |
| 07:17.55 | aSIMULAtor | and my iphone but whatever |
| 07:18.13 | qole | ovi store! |
| 07:18.26 | johnx | I like this guy: "and now a lot of numbers will follow" almost apologetic |
| 07:18.40 | kirma | ;) |
| 07:19.56 | qole | Ovi store! Like Apple store! Ovi mail! Like GMail! |
| 07:20.03 | carboncopy | hmm this give me an idea, should watch the webcast on the n810 |
| 07:20.04 | carboncopy | :D |
| 07:20.20 | qole | Sorry. So far, it has all been "me too" services.... |
| 07:20.35 | qole | carboncopy, tell me if it works |
| 07:20.54 | lbt | they have to show parity |
| 07:20.57 | Stskeeps | qole, simpsons did it |
| 07:21.11 | kirma | gmail integration with N900 works too I suppose |
| 07:21.37 | kirma | but nokia seems to be much more interested in lower-end markets pushed to modern services |
| 07:22.02 | johnx | they see the threat from google I'm sure |
| 07:22.09 | kirma | competitors seem to be pretty uninterested of those parts of the world |
| 07:23.32 | aSIMULAtor | yay i want that |
| 07:24.17 | Stskeeps | buzzzz |
| 07:24.24 | qole | yeah man. yeah. buzz |
| 07:24.31 | johnx | *chirp* *chirp* |
| 07:24.40 | carboncopy | qole. yes it works - but my broadband sucks big time |
| 07:24.57 | qole | carboncopy: cool |
| 07:25.38 | qole | phones, smartphones, mobile computers |
| 07:26.00 | qole | alliance with microsoft: tremendous potential... for disaster? |
| 07:26.13 | Stskeeps | symbian death? ;p |
| 07:26.14 | timeless | we're watching from my macbook pro |
| 07:26.26 | timeless | so i'm irc'ing from my n900 |
| 07:26.30 | Stskeeps | the auditorium screen died? |
| 07:26.31 | GAN800 | Definitely not a Jobsnote. |
| 07:26.34 | johnx | how are you guys seeing the live webcast before I see the live webcast? O_o |
| 07:26.45 | Stskeeps | lag? |
| 07:26.47 | aSIMULAtor | timeless: in hkL? |
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| 07:27.08 | qole | so-lo |
| 07:27.11 | johnx | I guess I'm more buffered somehow |
| 07:27.11 | timeless | (there's a large screen nearby but its audio quality/echo are bad) |
| 07:27.18 | timeless | yeah, hkl |
| 07:27.30 | qole | Argh and wait and wait and wait and wait |
| 07:27.51 | tigert | timeless: use the n900 |
| 07:27.58 | johnx | GAN800, he's not Jobs, but I actually kinda like his style |
| 07:28.02 | timeless | i tried |
| 07:28.06 | tigert | the stream works fine |
| 07:28.15 | GAN800 | Too useds to points ki |
| 07:28.17 | timeless | i didn't get frames |
| 07:28.31 | GAN800 | like these getting uproarus applause. ;) |
| 07:28.35 | timeless | but then i couldn't irc |
| 07:28.44 | qole | no applause at all |
| 07:29.21 | X-Fade | qole: That is a real US thing to do. |
| 07:29.49 | X-Fade | Not something you will see a lot in Europe. |
| 07:30.12 | Myrtti | two new music phones :-/ |
| 07:30.23 | kirma | company fanboyism to the extreme, applause for product features I mean. |
| 07:30.26 | timeless | nothing awe-inspiring comes from europe anyway |
| 07:30.28 | qole | Interesting. Lots of focus on developing markets |
| 07:30.57 | timeless | qole: nokia's sales are mostly in those markets |
| 07:31.15 | kirma | qole: not really new news I think, but maybe nokia is pushing the message more outside now |
| 07:31.20 | timeless | and they're the only markets with useful growth potential |
| 07:31.38 | qole | So far the most interesting part of the talk |
| 07:31.52 | qole | the focus on the developing world, that is |
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| 07:32.04 | qole | India and Africa |
| 07:32.16 | RST38bis | moo all. any news from nokia world? |
| 07:32.27 | carboncopy | boring |
| 07:32.38 | timeless | rst: ever heard of so-lo? |
| 07:32.59 | johnx | RST38bis, not really. they *really* care about the developing world though, and they want to tell you about it |
| 07:33.07 | reklipz2 | There was an earthquake |
| 07:33.10 | timeless | there were some new music phones |
| 07:33.17 | RST38bis | qole: Translation: the next tablet will be made of sandal wood, decorated with golden threads, and will include the ceramic Ganesha head into which you are supposed to speak |
| 07:33.36 | johnx | that's make a cool case |
| 07:33.44 | RST38bis | looks around trying to figure out whether he is in a developing world |
| 07:34.01 | johnx | what about all of us in the regressing world? |
| 07:34.03 | timeless | a coworker is playing bounce on his n900 because opk is so uninspiring |
| 07:34.06 | johnx | we want shiney toys too |
| 07:34.09 | qole | The transgressing world |
| 07:34.20 | timeless | use the music store! |
| 07:34.25 | RST38bis | I think it is called "post-industrial" |
| 07:34.34 | timeless | it's available in select markets |
| 07:34.34 | aSIMULAtor | bounce is pretty friggin awesome |
| 07:34.39 | qole | Time to drop some exciting news! |
| 07:34.43 | timeless | and comes with high quality drm |
| 07:34.44 | kirma | social location(ing) sounds like something I was trying to market to people like over six years ago, but everybody considered it absurd technonerdery |
| 07:35.00 | reklipz2 | Rst |
| 07:35.06 | RST38bis | kirma: still is, isn't it? =) |
| 07:35.11 | qole | I still think social locationing is absurd technonerdery ;-) |
| 07:35.16 | lbt | :) |
| 07:35.19 | johnx | RST38bis, post-positive-GDP world |
| 07:35.21 | Khertan_ | Hello ! |
| 07:35.27 | qole | Hey Khertan_ |
| 07:35.48 | kirma | well, when it turns easy enough to use... people adopt it. you know, who would really want to carry a phone with them all the time either? that was still a common thought in .fi in early nineties. |
| 07:35.54 | johnx | video just froze for me :/ |
| 07:36.23 | qole | Is the next keynote going to have the big announcements? |
| 07:36.56 | Myrtti | are they going to renew their logo/catchphrase? |
| 07:37.01 | Myrtti | that would be rad |
| 07:37.03 | RST38bis | kirma: Well, about this "social" thing |
| 07:37.06 | Myrtti | no. |
| 07:37.09 | qole | ARGH |
| 07:37.14 | qole | the end. |
| 07:37.16 | Myrtti | damn, almost thought they would |
| 07:37.31 | qole | Is that bobby mcferrin |
| 07:37.34 | qole | doing the vocals |
| 07:37.40 | Myrtti | It's the man with The Hair |
| 07:37.47 | Myrtti | oh, no |
| 07:37.49 | qole | The Hair indeed! |
| 07:38.05 | kirma | rst38h: well. it has to find a pattern that works, but I suspect it will. much of the envisioned ones are never going to succeed, but some are going to change the world still... |
| 07:38.06 | RST38bis | kirma: Let us say you always tell all your "friends" (aka IM contacts) your location, what you are doing (via Twitter), you always watch where your contacts are, what they are doing, + you always receive information about the closest starbucks, etc |
| 07:38.10 | qole | My absinthe is almost gone |
| 07:38.21 | RST38bis | kirma: That is how modern "social" setup is advertised, right? |
| 07:38.39 | aSIMULAtor | oh noes time to drink more |
| 07:38.50 | qole | Time to pour more |
| 07:39.01 | Khertan_ | ouch the streaming is really slow |
| 07:39.06 | qole | It is the middle of the night here ;-) |
| 07:39.09 | kirma | well, that obviously needs more social intelligence automation, obviously |
| 07:39.31 | aSIMULAtor | real absinthe? or the fake absinthe with no wormwood |
| 07:39.33 | aSIMULAtor | or did you make it yourself |
| 07:39.43 | reklipz2 | 2:39am here |
| 07:39.59 | qole | Real absinthe, made here in Canada |
| 07:40.10 | Myrtti | oh god, his accent is thicker than OPK's |
| 07:40.14 | aSIMULAtor | interesting |
| 07:40.22 | qole | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 07:40.25 | Khertan_ | Anssi Vanjoki <<< english is not is natural language ? as i can understand it verywell |
| 07:40.36 | kirma | but something like just six years ago, most people were unable to understand that gps and continuous data connections are really going to be pretty normal stuff in less than a decade |
| 07:40.36 | qole | www.okanaganspirits.com |
| 07:40.40 | Khertan_ | s/is/his |
| 07:40.43 | Veggen | I'm almost for social locating. I missed my cousin by only kilometers when we both were on holiday in Italy. Didn't know before later in summer. |
| 07:40.46 | Myrtti | Khertan_: of course it's not |
| 07:40.54 | kirma | khertan: very finnish name it is. |
| 07:40.57 | Myrtti | Khertan_: he and OPK are both Finnish. |
| 07:40.58 | *** join/#maemo fnordianslip (n=fnoridan@212.183.136.192) |
| 07:41.00 | qole | Hey there's his tag cloud |
| 07:41.02 | Khertan_ | Myrtti: yep ... |
| 07:41.22 | Khertan_ | and the result is that i can understand it very well nice :) |
| 07:42.06 | Khertan_ | prefer listening people that speak english that isn't their first language :) |
| 07:42.13 | aSIMULAtor | why? |
| 07:42.23 | aSIMULAtor | i tell u this, it takes some time getting used to fins speaking english |
| 07:42.26 | kirma | I haven't listened those nokia bosses for quite a while. I still hope their english is considerably better than many finns, because that'd be *torture*... |
| 07:42.39 | RST38bis | kirma: Well, you see, if it is defined like this, I do not see why I would need it |
| 07:42.53 | kirma | mostly referring to older folks, ones that manage to "speak" english a bit, but not much |
| 07:42.57 | reklipz2 | Okay. Goodnight all. Thanks for the help! |
| 07:42.58 | qole | Smartsphones |
| 07:43.10 | RST38bis | kirma: I do not have any practical interest in where my IM contacts are, what they had for lunch and whether they are on the crapper right now |
| 07:43.23 | qole | "oooh that was a big one! Time to flush!" |
| 07:43.39 | johnx | RST38bis, which is to say: you don't talk to people you actually know in real life on IM |
| 07:43.46 | qole | Too Much Information |
| 07:43.47 | lbt | how "not giving up" if they are market leader? |
| 07:44.00 | qole | Market share is SLIPPING |
| 07:44.00 | RST38bis | johnx: Actually I do talk to people I known in real life on IM |
| 07:44.03 | kirma | well, let's say that something like irc+gps combined sensibly (and used sensibly!) really eases planning semi-spontaneous social gatherings, for instance. |
| 07:44.03 | aSIMULAtor | heh ibm just patented a remote control where it tweets what channel the user is watching |
| 07:44.17 | RST38bis | johnx: Remember, I am 10 hours of flight away from most of my friends |
| 07:44.27 | kirma | such an innovation |
| 07:44.40 | RST38bis | johnx: I just do not see any point to know all the above details |
| 07:44.53 | kirma | patent offices should really get some competence, if not get rid of those patent categories outright |
| 07:44.55 | johnx | the only one I care about is easily coordinating location |
| 07:44.57 | qole | Nokia: ON THE ATTACK!!! |
| 07:45.17 | RST38bis | kirma,johnx: can be done by making a voice call and deciding on a well known ladnmark for gathering |
| 07:45.18 | lbt | RST38bis: that's 'cos you're anti-social |
| 07:45.25 | reklipz2 | Question: if i leave pidgin running and stop using my n810 will it still use the same amount of power? |
| 07:45.26 | lbt | like me |
| 07:45.31 | Khertan_ | qole: hum ... seems i ve delay in the stream :) |
| 07:45.35 | kirma | how do you do that with 10-20 persons? :) |
| 07:45.49 | qole | skype conferencing |
| 07:45.54 | lbt | kirma: RST38bis only meets 1 at a time |
| 07:46.02 | RST38bis | lbt: Maybe, but how "social" are you supposed to be to be interested whether your acquaintances are taking a shit? |
| 07:46.14 | lbt | or watching TV |
| 07:46.14 | qole | I don't care about N97 |
| 07:46.26 | Khertan_ | blabla blablabla n97 |
| 07:46.28 | Khertan_ | burk |
| 07:46.29 | RST38bis | kirma: Select a landmark and a time, gather, wait for 15 minutes, done |
| 07:46.30 | johnx | ReKlipz1, nope |
| 07:46.45 | RST38bis | kirma: Has been done many times |
| 07:46.55 | qole | N97 is 803 short |
| 07:47.05 | qole | Oh here comes the N97 Mini |
| 07:47.08 | qole | I bet |
| 07:47.16 | aSIMULAtor | not interested |
| 07:47.20 | RST38bis | qole: Will N900 be the "one last thing" then? =) |
| 07:47.23 | Khertan_ | qole: oh oh oh ! |
| 07:47.29 | johnx | RST38bis, lots of things can be done in an alternate way. but getting a visual representation of where other people are is a nice feature that I have really wanted on more than one occasion |
| 07:47.35 | Khertan_ | RST38bis: not one last ... one more things |
| 07:47.35 | qole | OOOOH |
| 07:47.37 | carboncopy | how bout the nokia booklet? |
| 07:47.41 | AStorm | hope it will not share the fate of N95, that is being bastardized |
| 07:47.48 | reklipz2 | Johnx: it uses less? Only realdifference is backlight + lcd off, right? |
| 07:47.51 | AStorm | booklets are too large |
| 07:47.57 | aSIMULAtor | lolercoptering |
| 07:48.03 | Jaffa | Wifi in keynote overloaded |
| 07:48.06 | qole | fancy |
| 07:48.19 | qole | wait for the applause... wait for it... |
| 07:48.22 | qole | hehahahae |
| 07:48.27 | johnx | ReKlipz1, I'd bet that pidgin would cause it to take up more with the constantly running network connection |
| 07:48.27 | Khertan_ | a dark n97 |
| 07:48.36 | oilinki | argh. my connection can not take the stream. is there voice-only stream? |
| 07:48.40 | *** part/#maemo ReKlipz1 (n=nmschult@h40.163.23.98.static.ip.windstream.net) |
| 07:48.46 | RST38bis | qole <-- is going to finish his absynthe and cut his ear off? =) |
| 07:48.50 | qole | No voice only stream. Then you'd miss the HAIR |
| 07:48.50 | Khertan_ | a n97 mini .... :( |
| 07:48.57 | Jaffa | Hello from #NW09! |
| 07:49.06 | qole | Finally, there you are |
| 07:49.07 | Khertan_ | burrrk facebook ... blabla no need |
| 07:49.10 | Khertan_ | hi Jaffa |
| 07:49.13 | qole | I'm over here mocking the speakers |
| 07:49.13 | johnx | RST38bis, ok, see this guy isn't selling it very well :/ |
| 07:49.18 | GAN800 | Jaffa, boreeeed |
| 07:49.34 | qole | THIS SUCKS |
| 07:49.54 | GAN800 | Symbian sux |
| 07:49.57 | qole | is a master of subtlety. |
| 07:50.04 | reklipz2 | Johnx: it was implied that pidgin is running in both comparisons |
| 07:50.08 | lbt | NokiaWorld, not MaemoWorld.... what did you expect? |
| 07:50.10 | Captain_Picard | symbian has alot of software tough |
| 07:50.16 | Captain_Picard | the putty program for symbian is actually very nice |
| 07:50.26 | GAN800 | lbt, less boredom. |
| 07:50.29 | qole | Windows 3.1 had a lot of software too |
| 07:50.36 | Khertan_ | lbt: Nokia announcing that NokiaWorld will become MaemoWorld |
| 07:50.38 | Captain_Picard | i wouldt say symbian is bad :P |
| 07:50.42 | reklipz2 | Aka, leaving it as is will kill battery life? |
| 07:50.42 | lbt | GAN800: this is a corporate event!!! |
| 07:50.43 | Captain_Picard | its just abit outdated |
| 07:50.46 | lbt | YAWN |
| 07:50.47 | Khertan_ | and let symbian rest in peace |
| 07:50.55 | johnx | reklipz2, ah, sorry, yeah, idling should save a lot of power if the app is well coded |
| 07:50.59 | qole | I wasted good absinthe on THIS? |
| 07:51.05 | Jaffa | GAN800: Indeed. N900 was first device shown on sccrreen at the event |
| 07:51.08 | GAN800 | lbt, I miss Macworld. |
| 07:51.19 | qole | Jaffa, we're all watching :) |
| 07:51.25 | qole | we saw |
| 07:51.25 | Khertan_ | héhé |
| 07:51.34 | *** join/#maemo MaceN8x0 (n=macer@rancorous.net) |
| 07:51.41 | lbt | Jaffa was there a small old lady running around sitting people down? |
| 07:51.51 | Khertan_ | i just miss the begining ... the 3g data phone connection drop at the begining in the train |
| 07:51.54 | qole | with a terrifying voice? |
| 07:51.59 | reklipz2 | I doubt idling irc chans allows for much power state change |
| 07:52.11 | Khertan_ | <GAN800> lbt, I miss Macworld. <<< there is nothing now :) |
| 07:52.25 | qole | jaffa, is bobby mcferrin doing the vocal music thing? |
| 07:52.31 | GAN800 | reklipz2, 1 day batt on irc |
| 07:52.33 | AStorm | Khertan_: get a shell account? |
| 07:52.44 | Captain_Picard | lets take a look what this meens! |
| 07:52.53 | AStorm | if you're smart, you'll do it my way - have a xinetd script that autotunnels you |
| 07:52.56 | Captain_Picard | choose location! |
| 07:52.59 | Jaffa | lbt: Very annoying. Lame. |
| 07:53.18 | lbt | she wasn't real :( |
| 07:53.19 | qole | Hey, baby, you want to share your location with me? wink wink |
| 07:53.30 | AStorm | yeah, a/s/l and all that? blah |
| 07:53.35 | lbt | qole: it's a plot by DHS |
| 07:53.38 | MaceN8x0 | hm |
| 07:53.42 | Captain_Picard | Rofl Nokia World |
| 07:53.51 | Captain_Picard | Why do they keep showing facebook stuff |
| 07:53.54 | johnx | alright, someone who actually uses this stuff really needs to be the one presenting it |
| 07:53.58 | qole | come over here and let me share something with you |
| 07:54.01 | MaceN8x0 | still no sign of a touchbook in my near future |
| 07:54.09 | qole | Look! Facebook! |
| 07:54.10 | roope | watching the keynote on the n900. works nicely. |
| 07:54.21 | Captain_Picard | jesus christ |
| 07:54.22 | AStorm | roope: you have one? WANT! |
| 07:54.26 | Captain_Picard | who cares about facebook :D |
| 07:54.32 | jaska | facepalmbook |
| 07:54.32 | lbt | "You successfully published to facebook"... how many facebook users can read words that long? |
| 07:54.35 | msh_ | will it play on a 810? |
| 07:54.38 | GAN800 | Now if only the keynote were worth watching. |
| 07:54.44 | qole | Yeah lets talk about the N900 not stupid maps in stupid facebook |
| 07:54.46 | carboncopy | msh_ : yes it does |
| 07:54.54 | aSIMULAtor | look at all those shiny happy faces watching him speak |
| 07:55.07 | qole | shiny faces, yes, happy no |
| 07:55.11 | timeless | cptn, what, there's more to the world than facebook? |
| 07:55.13 | msh_ | carboncopy: hm. cool. |
| 07:55.22 | Captain_Picard | Go away :( |
| 07:55.24 | AStorm | timeless: yeah, like... digg ;) |
| 07:55.24 | Captain_Picard | talk about maemo |
| 07:55.37 | Captain_Picard | IS THERE \o/ |
| 07:55.44 | MaceN8x0 | cant really judge maemo5 |
| 07:55.50 | Khertan_ | the NokiaWorld supense and every people looking at the it ... and speaking about it on irc remember me the apple keynotes :) |
| 07:55.54 | timeless | be happy we aren't stressing jaiku |
| 07:55.57 | qole | yeah can you share your location on Digg? Can you? |
| 07:55.59 | qole | Huh? |
| 07:56.02 | MaceN8x0 | not until you can see how well it uses the hw |
| 07:56.03 | *** join/#maemo sergio (n=sergio@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) |
| 07:56.03 | Khertan_ | roope: if you have a n900 |
| 07:56.10 | qole | $40 |
| 07:56.12 | lbt | is on his chair |
| 07:56.17 | qole | too low |
| 07:56.19 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 07:56.21 | Khertan_ | roope: could you said me if PyGTKEditor avaiable in the extras devel works |
| 07:56.29 | Myrtti | oh wow |
| 07:56.32 | Jaffa | N900 cheap bargain compared with N97 mini! |
| 07:56.36 | aSIMULAtor | roope? |
| 07:56.42 | reklipz2 | $0? |
| 07:56.48 | Khertan_ | $0 ! |
| 07:56.49 | qole | Yeah N900 looks like a bargain now |
| 07:57.08 | aSIMULAtor | roope: HI SUNSHINE :P |
| 07:57.11 | *** part/#maemo reklipz2 (n=user@h211.162.23.98.static.ip.windstream.net) |
| 07:57.12 | Khertan_ | $450 for a n97 ... it s really expensive |
| 07:57.14 | Captain_Picard | N900 will cost you only 599.99$! |
| 07:57.17 | *** join/#maemo reklipz2 (n=user@h211.162.23.98.static.ip.windstream.net) |
| 07:57.25 | Captain_Picard | soon steve jobs will come there |
| 07:57.31 | Captain_Picard | to present his iphone |
| 07:57.34 | timeless | 450eur not usd |
| 07:57.39 | *** join/#maemo sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-142-89.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 07:57.40 | johnx | Khertan_, probably close to free on contract |
| 07:57.55 | aSIMULAtor | uhm ok |
| 07:58.01 | Khertan_ | johnx: probably ... but didn't interest me :) |
| 07:58.01 | MaceN8x0 | wow, it is unseasonably cold |
| 07:58.12 | qole | snoooore |
| 07:58.21 | qole | I wish I could go to the party. |
| 07:58.24 | aSIMULAtor | omg i can get invited from hipster bands yayayayay |
| 07:58.24 | Khertan_ | johnx: but probably 299Euros with a contract with a french operator |
| 07:58.26 | GAN800 | YouTube!!!!!!!!!!111111 |
| 07:58.34 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (n=geaaru@host254-221-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 07:58.34 | Captain_Picard | omg now he is talking about MUSIC |
| 07:58.36 | GAN800 | Music!!!!!!!111111 |
| 07:58.38 | johnx | Khertan_, year contract? or two years? |
| 07:58.50 | qole | Please god don't start talking about sharing your location on youtube |
| 07:58.55 | Captain_Picard | soon he will open wikipedia and start talking about what music is |
| 07:59.01 | *** join/#maemo setanta (n=setanta@200.184.118.130) |
| 07:59.04 | AStorm | better |
| 07:59.10 | AStorm | soon he will start talking about video |
| 07:59.15 | AStorm | ;P |
| 07:59.19 | johnx | I listened to music once! that means I should give money to Nokia! |
| 07:59.21 | qwerty12_N810 | I want to buy their phones, not their goddamn music |
| 07:59.32 | johnx | qwerty12_N810++ |
| 07:59.33 | MaceN8x0 | wtf are you all talking about? |
| 07:59.36 | GAN800 | Music and YouTube!!!!!!11111 |
| 07:59.39 | Khertan_ | johnx: same things ... the year give you no sms free .... and the two years give unlimited sms |
| 07:59.43 | qole | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 07:59.47 | MaceN8x0 | some pc magazine show? |
| 07:59.48 | qole | He wants to stay legal!!! |
| 07:59.50 | *** join/#maemo pvanhoof (n=pvanhoof@d54C0C0BA.access.telenet.be) |
| 07:59.54 | qwerty12_N810 | I don't want to stay legal. STFU already. |
| 08:00.09 | Khertan_ | johnx: french mobile operator is .... thief ! |
| 08:00.13 | AStorm | I want to stay legal, but the music is just far too damn expensive ;p |
| 08:00.14 | Khertan_ | s/is/are |
| 08:00.28 | GAN800 | Yeah, don't! |
| 08:00.38 | AStorm | including the darned shop which doesn't have anything I want |
| 08:00.40 | AStorm | ;p |
| 08:00.41 | lbt | bad people |
| 08:00.45 | GAN800 | finger wag. |
| 08:00.48 | timeless | gah |
| 08:00.49 | RST38bis | evil evil people |
| 08:00.52 | qole | Stay good, Anssi, Stay good! |
| 08:00.55 | Captain_Picard | ALL FREE |
| 08:00.55 | johnx | I stay legal when it's somewhat convenient |
| 08:00.57 | Khertan_ | Don't Do that ! |
| 08:00.58 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 08:00.59 | timeless | someone please kick rock dodger's packasger |
| 08:01.02 | johnx | unless doing illegal things is fun |
| 08:01.08 | Captain_Picard | LOL he talking about torrents? |
| 08:01.10 | timeless | it depennds on maemo menu select location |
| 08:01.13 | johnx | or someone tells me to not do it |
| 08:01.15 | MaceN8x0 | ze other side of law |
| 08:01.15 | qole | Don't cross to the Dark Side! |
| 08:01.20 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 08:01.21 | lbt | breaks the law and listens to his own CDs on mp3 |
| 08:01.26 | Captain_Picard | Ofcourse there is the dark side of internet |
| 08:01.30 | AStorm | Dark? It's the Light side |
| 08:01.34 | Khertan_ | All Included what the top ten ? |
| 08:01.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Bonus points to the first person to get gtk-gnutella hildonized for Maemo 5. I've already done Transmission. |
| 08:01.35 | mikkov_ | timeless: I fix it when I have time |
| 08:01.40 | timeless | and zstroids |
| 08:01.41 | *** join/#maemo qole (n=qole@d207-6-239-64.bchsia.telus.net) |
| 08:01.41 | Khertan_ | things that i never listen ?; |
| 08:01.42 | MaceN8x0 | who is this guy? |
| 08:01.44 | RST38bis | AStorm: http://markpickavance.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/riaa-communism-poster.gif |
| 08:01.46 | timeless | :( |
| 08:01.52 | GAN800 | Else Nokia ninjass eat you heart! |
| 08:01.57 | Khertan_ | MaceN8x0: Anssi Vanjoki, Executive Vice President, Markets, Nokia |
| 08:02.00 | qole | MaceN8x0: he's the guy with the Hair |
| 08:02.15 | MaceN8x0 | sounds russian |
| 08:02.19 | qole | Finnish |
| 08:02.24 | AStorm | estonian? ;) |
| 08:02.25 | aSIMULAtor | he sounds finnish...really finnish |
| 08:02.27 | MaceN8x0 | close wnough |
| 08:02.32 | GAN800 | qwerty12_N810, and get it on Maemo Select. |
| 08:02.32 | kirma | hardly sounds russian or estonian |
| 08:02.36 | MaceN8x0 | enough |
| 08:02.36 | qole | I wish he would FINNISH |
| 08:02.39 | Captain_Picard | everyone loves the finnish accent |
| 08:02.41 | Captain_Picard | \oä/ |
| 08:02.46 | AStorm | I haven't heard him at all, so it's likely finnish indeed |
| 08:02.49 | Myrtti | X6!? |
| 08:02.55 | aSIMULAtor | voi vitsi |
| 08:03.06 | qole | iPod killer |
| 08:03.10 | Khertan_ | x6 ? |
| 08:03.12 | qole | Heheh refurbished interface |
| 08:03.13 | AStorm | poor iPods! |
| 08:03.15 | VDVsx | alvin |
| 08:03.15 | kirma | sounds like bmw model |
| 08:03.23 | ali1234 | all the music in the world? |
| 08:03.25 | Captain_Picard | tatsskriin |
| 08:03.29 | johnx | kirma, that's because it is |
| 08:03.31 | qole | All the LEGAL music in the world |
| 08:03.31 | Khertan_ | rm-559 == x9 ? |
| 08:03.31 | Captain_Picard | JAST take it ALL |
| 08:03.36 | kirma | from press release, it was a bit unobvious if X6 is Symbian or S40 |
| 08:03.41 | kirma | which it is? |
| 08:03.54 | RST38bis | qole: Coming up with a counterexample will be real easy |
| 08:03.58 | MaceN8x0 | x3? |
| 08:03.58 | ali1234 | so like if some guy in albania whistles a tune, i can get that on nokia? |
| 08:04.04 | johnx | "the way people ... use music" WAT |
| 08:04.10 | Myrtti | christ |
| 08:04.13 | MaceN8x0 | $450 |
| 08:04.13 | AStorm | music is to be used? ;p |
| 08:04.20 | Myrtti | 115⬠|
| 08:04.21 | qole | X3: just some of the music in the world |
| 08:04.22 | Myrtti | wow |
| 08:04.24 | MaceN8x0 | all music in world |
| 08:04.24 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN8x0: |
| 08:04.28 | Stskeeps | 115 is cheap |
| 08:04.28 | johnx | AStorm, I was using music the other day, but I ran out |
| 08:04.29 | MaceN8x0 | oh |
| 08:04.37 | johnx | had to get to the store and buy some more musics |
| 08:04.43 | AStorm | hahaha |
| 08:04.43 | qole | ok here is something |
| 08:04.45 | aSIMULAtor | i want this booklet |
| 08:04.46 | Myrtti | that's like peanuts |
| 08:04.54 | RST38bis | aSIM: Why> |
| 08:04.54 | MaceN8x0 | booklet 3G |
| 08:04.57 | MaceN8x0 | ugh |
| 08:05.00 | jaska | some music can be used for torture |
| 08:05.02 | MaceN8x0 | x86? |
| 08:05.06 | MaceN8x0 | garbage |
| 08:05.10 | Captain_Picard | Nokia Mikromikko |
| 08:05.11 | Captain_Picard | rocked |
| 08:05.12 | qole | Nokia Meeekromeeeko? |
| 08:05.18 | jaska | yeah.. lol |
| 08:05.19 | Captain_Picard | i had one |
| 08:05.21 | Myrtti | Mikromikko ⥠|
| 08:05.21 | aSIMULAtor | why not |
| 08:05.23 | roope | i'll check the pygtk. |
| 08:05.28 | Captain_Picard | noo ;( |
| 08:05.29 | GAN800 | booo |
| 08:05.30 | Khertan_ | roope: thx |
| 08:05.31 | Captain_Picard | windows 7 boooo |
| 08:05.34 | roope | Hmm, it is not starting. :/ |
| 08:05.37 | MaceN8x0 | ugh |
| 08:05.45 | Myrtti | bloody hell, I need to go to get some blood tests done |
| 08:05.46 | MaceN8x0 | this guy is making me sick |
| 08:05.49 | roope | it tries to load it for a couple of seconds, then not. |
| 08:05.53 | MaceN8x0 | stops it |
| 08:05.54 | Captain_Picard | well i was afraid the booklet was gonna run symbian :DD |
| 08:05.55 | roope | no ui gets shown. |
| 08:05.55 | *** part/#maemo MaceN8x0 (n=macer@rancorous.net) |
| 08:06.04 | *** join/#maemo MaceN8x0 (n=macer@rancorous.net) |
| 08:06.07 | AStorm | roope: try the terminal? also, isn't pygtk a lib? |
| 08:06.07 | qole | 12 hour battery and Windows 7; windows will outlast you every time |
| 08:06.14 | MaceN8x0 | oops |
| 08:06.30 | Khertan_ | 12 hour battery !!! GREAT ! |
| 08:06.36 | lbt | does windows run for 7 hours nowadays? |
| 08:06.36 | Khertan_ | Windows 7; windows will outlast you every time .... burk |
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| 08:06.43 | qole | Anssi, you LOOK excited by that one |
| 08:06.49 | MaceN8x0 | 575?! |
| 08:06.49 | Myrtti | wow, cheap |
| 08:06.54 | MaceN8x0 | |
| 08:06.58 | qole | WOWOW cheap |
| 08:06.59 | aSIMULAtor | yeah nice price |
| 08:07.01 | MaceN8x0 | wtf! |
| 08:07.06 | MaceN8x0 | no it isnt |
| 08:07.07 | Jaffa | N900! |
| 08:07.10 | qole | BABY YEAH |
| 08:07.10 | MaceN8x0 | it is a ripoff |
| 08:07.12 | GAN800 | Finally |
| 08:07.13 | aSIMULAtor | HERE WE GO |
| 08:07.14 | qole | HERE SHE IS |
| 08:07.15 | aSIMULAtor | yzyzyzyz |
| 08:07.16 | Khertan_ | 575Euros... |
| 08:07.17 | Myrtti | finally ⥠|
| 08:07.19 | qole | SWEETIE |
| 08:07.19 | qwerty12_N810 | WOOT |
| 08:07.23 | johnx | woo! |
| 08:07.27 | qole | HUBBA HUBBA |
| 08:07.27 | Khertan_ | why i get delay ... |
| 08:07.28 | lbt | :D |
| 08:07.29 | Khertan_ | shutt ! |
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| 08:07.34 | lardman | morning |
| 08:07.44 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 08:07.45 | lardman | good news from Quim I see |
| 08:07.48 | aSIMULAtor | :D:D:D:D |
| 08:07.49 | roope | ImportError: No module named glade |
| 08:07.49 | johnx | Khertan_, I do too, on a "12Mb/s" connection |
| 08:07.52 | qole | beauty |
| 08:08.05 | Captain_Picard | w00t |
| 08:08.07 | qole | Oh N900, my sweetheart |
| 08:08.07 | Khertan_ | roope: oups ... thx for the report |
| 08:08.07 | Captain_Picard | there it was |
| 08:08.11 | lardman | ~curse FF for opening so slowly |
| 08:08.12 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, FF for opening so slowly ! |
| 08:08.17 | Khertan_ | roope: works on the sdk |
| 08:08.23 | Khertan_ | and python segfault |
| 08:08.24 | Khertan_ | :( |
| 08:08.30 | Captain_Picard | that was all they gonna give you |
| 08:08.32 | Captain_Picard | of the N900 |
| 08:08.33 | Captain_Picard | :( |
| 08:08.33 | qole | Meh he just talks |
| 08:08.41 | qole | just a tease |
| 08:08.48 | Captain_Picard | you can close your stream now |
| 08:08.50 | Captain_Picard | its over |
| 08:08.54 | Captain_Picard | nokia world is over! :D |
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| 08:08.59 | qwerty12_N810 | He's trying to justify Maemo to the Symbian fanboys |
| 08:09.03 | qole | world's most poueaplr platform?! |
| 08:09.11 | lbt | wonders if this is about maemo->maemodevices |
| 08:09.14 | Captain_Picard | qwerty12_N810: soon someone will throw a shoe at him |
| 08:09.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Captain_Picard: rofl |
| 08:09.25 | lardman | see Quim said on the ml that they will start talking about dev program soon? |
| 08:09.27 | Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: there is no need ! it s already better |
| 08:09.30 | jrocha | windows 7... bah |
| 08:09.35 | qole | Nokia the next Generation |
| 08:09.39 | Khertan_ | lardman: !!! OH GREAT NEWS ! |
| 08:09.44 | qwerty12_N810 | Khertan_: We know that, but the fanboys don't :) |
| 08:09.49 | qole | Oh the 5 step program |
| 08:09.53 | Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: not sure |
| 08:10.08 | qole | is on the edge of his seat |
| 08:10.08 | lardman | Khertan_: see the "How much are Nxxx open?" thread, last post by Quim |
| 08:10.21 | qole | N900 is STEP 4! |
| 08:10.24 | Captain_Picard | 7700! |
| 08:10.30 | Captain_Picard | where is STEP 5 |
| 08:10.38 | lardman | hmm, interesting :) |
| 08:10.42 | aSIMULAtor | I R TOTALLY SURPRISED |
| 08:10.47 | Jaffa | Harmattan is step 5, obviously |
| 08:11.03 | Myrtti | meh. |
| 08:11.05 | Stskeeps | hah, multitasking |
| 08:11.20 | Captain_Picard | BLABLALBABLA |
| 08:11.28 | Captain_Picard | :D |
| 08:11.30 | aSIMULAtor | WHOA! |
| 08:11.34 | RST38bis | People going bonkers over Booklet. Why? |
| 08:11.35 | qole | Oooh that's even cheaper |
| 08:11.36 | aSIMULAtor | (without vat) |
| 08:11.37 | aSIMULAtor | :P |
| 08:11.37 | Myrtti | WWOOWOWOWOWOW |
| 08:11.37 | Captain_Picard | just for 500 euros! |
| 08:11.38 | Captain_Picard | they say |
| 08:11.40 | lardman | Jaffa: nah, next hw will have to have frikking lasers :) |
| 08:11.42 | Captain_Picard | oh yeh |
| 08:11.42 | johnx | 4 different pants? |
| 08:11.44 | Captain_Picard | they forgot wat |
| 08:11.54 | Khertan_ | An interesting approach would be to have members of these projects submitting proposals to the Maemo Summit. It's a way to have a name linked to a concrete purpose. |
| 08:11.58 | qole | I kept telling people it would be surprisingly cheap! |
| 08:11.59 | aSIMULAtor | add another 20% or something |
| 08:12.01 | Khertan_ | si not before the summit at least |
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| 08:12.12 | Captain_Picard | add 22% |
| 08:12.13 | Captain_Picard | to it |
| 08:12.14 | Stskeeps | Khertan_: think that is non-karma stuff |
| 08:12.15 | Khertan_ | 500 Euro ... or 649 Euros in france |
| 08:12.22 | wazd | "It's pretty affordable, 500 euros" lol |
| 08:12.23 | MaceN8x0 | crystal sharp? |
| 08:12.35 | qole | ROFL |
| 08:12.36 | Captain_Picard | eco system on the n900 |
| 08:12.38 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
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| 08:12.44 | johnx | MaceN8x0, sharp like shards of a broken car window! |
| 08:12.48 | Captain_Picard | built in catalysator |
| 08:12.51 | qole | wait that's it |
| 08:12.52 | qole | what |
| 08:12.53 | jrocha | wazd, IT IS affordable, given the device |
| 08:12.54 | GAN800 | More on not stealing music (finger wag) than the goddamn cellular open source revolution. |
| 08:12.54 | wazd | "thx!" lol) |
| 08:12.55 | lardman | yeah, what's with the random messages on the boardbehind? |
| 08:12.57 | RST38bis | which url are you all watching anyway? I am only getting some crappy twitter aggregator |
| 08:13.23 | lardman | ouch, loud music |
| 08:13.23 | GAN800 | What a waste of time. |
| 08:13.23 | ali1234 | lol |
| 08:13.23 | qole | Damn them all |
| 08:13.23 | wazd | RST38bis: right on the nokia's site |
| 08:13.23 | lardman | http://events.nokia.com/nokiaworld/home.htm |
| 08:13.25 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
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| 08:13.28 | Captain_Picard | lol sounds like farting |
| 08:13.33 | MaceN8x0 | english idiom fail |
| 08:13.35 | qole | An hour of the N97 mini and 3 minutes of the N900 |
| 08:13.35 | Captain_Picard | the speakers dont like this sound |
| 08:13.37 | RST38bis | weird isn't showing the video |
| 08:13.52 | johnx | RST38bis, you just missed the whole thing |
| 08:13.53 | wazd | RST38bis: it's over :D |
| 08:13.55 | MaceN8x0 | RST38bis, it is over |
| 08:13.58 | MaceN8x0 | haha |
| 08:14.00 | RST38bis | ah screw it then =) |
| 08:14.05 | Captain_Picard | haha =)) |
| 08:14.06 | Khertan_ | .... |
| 08:14.18 | timeless_mbp | ok, we stopped watchig |
| 08:14.19 | MaceN8x0 | n900 got 2 mins? |
| 08:14.22 | MaceN8x0 | wtf? |
| 08:14.22 | timeless_mbp | s/ig/ing/ |
| 08:14.23 | Khertan_ | one hour about the n97 ... and 2 minutes about n900 |
| 08:14.31 | aSIMULAtor | :( |
| 08:14.34 | MaceN8x0 | that should have been the flagship |
| 08:14.45 | RST38bis | but it was the famous one last thing wasn't it? |
| 08:14.46 | MaceN8x0 | s60? |
| 08:14.48 | lardman | was that live? |
| 08:14.51 | Captain_Picard | yeh |
| 08:14.55 | qwerty12_N810 | He totally convinced everyone to buy the N900 with a presentation like that. |
| 08:14.55 | MaceN8x0 | fuck symbian |
| 08:14.57 | Khertan_ | pffff 649 Euros on French Store ... |
| 08:15.02 | wazd | But n97 mini can *UPDATE FACEBOOK STATUS!* |
| 08:15.03 | lardman | oh, perfect timing on my part then :) |
| 08:15.04 | wazd | it |
| 08:15.06 | aSIMULAtor | the device speask for itself :D |
| 08:15.11 | wazd | it's so innovative! |
| 08:15.29 | qwerty12_N810 | FACEBOOK STATUS?! OMG WTFLOL |
| 08:15.31 | MaceN8x0 | wazd, thats ok... nokia is crystal sharp |
| 08:15.40 | Khertan_ | yeah ... the world most important thing ...: updating his facebook status |
| 08:15.42 | tbf | so go to the shops and tell opk, that the n900 is better :-D |
| 08:15.45 | qole | That was a real letdown. |
| 08:15.45 | Captain_Picard | nokia is SHARP |
| 08:15.50 | MaceN8x0 | :) |
| 08:15.50 | qole | What a waste of good absinthe |
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| 08:16.00 | MaceN8x0 | crystal sharp! |
| 08:16.12 | RST38bis | cackles, as he predicts the burst of the second Internet bubble |
| 08:16.14 | MaceN8x0 | get the finninglish idioms right |
| 08:16.15 | timeless | qwert, i've seen worse |
| 08:16.19 | Captain_Picard | so next live webcast is tommorrow? |
| 08:16.29 | *** join/#maemo timsamoff (n=chatzill@213.61.172.94) |
| 08:16.32 | Captain_Picard | with 1 min of N900? |
| 08:16.38 | lardman | he speaks better English than I do Finnish |
| 08:16.40 | Khertan_ | Captain_Picard: maybe 2 |
| 08:16.45 | Captain_Picard | and 59 min of symbian 5? |
| 08:16.46 | Stskeeps | timsamoff: o/ |
| 08:16.47 | MaceN8x0 | lardman, haha |
| 08:16.52 | lardman | hey timeless |
| 08:17.04 | lardman | oops, tabbed the wrong one, but hi anyway :) |
| 08:17.10 | jrocha | guys, maybe the price he mentioned didn't yet have the taxes |
| 08:17.14 | lardman | hi timsamoff |
| 08:17.18 | Jaffa | lo timsamoff |
| 08:17.25 | X-Fade | jrocha: Not maybe. |
| 08:17.26 | jrocha | so it might change according to the country |
| 08:17.26 | Captain_Picard | why would he include taxses |
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| 08:17.30 | Captain_Picard | it depends on the country |
| 08:17.33 | timsamoff | wishes he had better wifi signal! |
| 08:17.34 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 08:17.34 | timeless | there was one where the presenter said he had this great device, it fit in his pocket, ansd that's where he left it |
| 08:17.37 | qole | So what was that all about? |
| 08:17.41 | timeless | hi |
| 08:17.54 | Andy80 | timsamoff, hi :) |
| 08:17.57 | qole | timsamoff, jaffa, can you help us understand what that was all about?!?! |
| 08:17.57 | jrocha | so, people should stop being surprised that Nokia stores have a higher price |
| 08:17.58 | Jaffa | timsamoff: hear! hear! |
| 08:17.58 | lardman | well he said it was cool and that it was step 4 |
| 08:18.10 | Captain_Picard | they had to stop the Webcast because symbian fanboys went on RAGEEEE |
| 08:18.15 | Andy80 | only 500⬠for N900?! Did he forgive taxes :D ?! |
| 08:18.17 | *** join/#maemo bilboed-pi (n=bilboed@80.24.4.74) |
| 08:18.19 | qole | WHY SO MUCH ABOUT IPOD CLONES |
| 08:18.24 | Jaffa | qole: What? It was an opening keynote showing the high-level overview |
| 08:18.27 | RST38bis | The device isn't out yet, so that may be why they only covered it for 2 minutes |
| 08:18.31 | lardman | Andy80: see above, different in every country |
| 08:18.39 | Captain_Picard | Andy80: on the darkside you dont pay taxes |
| 08:18.40 | Jaffa | "Comes with Music" is pretty cool |
| 08:18.41 | wazd | Andy80: well, at least he announced unsubsidized price ;) |
| 08:18.41 | Captain_Picard | join the darkside |
| 08:18.47 | qole | No, there was endless talk about posting maps to facebook. |
| 08:18.48 | *** join/#maemo svillar (n=sergio@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) |
| 08:18.48 | RST38bis | The two other S60e5 devices should be available right away |
| 08:18.56 | timsamoff | starts to upload pics to TitPic. |
| 08:18.56 | wazd | Andy80: likr, "it's now free!" |
| 08:19.01 | lardman | there are new s60 devices too? |
| 08:19.05 | Captain_Picard | the N97 mini comes with music including the backstreet boys and mozarts collection |
| 08:19.07 | qwerty12_N810 | timsamoff: Nice |
| 08:19.11 | wazd | timsamoff: TittPic? :D |
| 08:19.13 | RST38bis | lardman: Two expressmusic devices, X3 and X6 |
| 08:19.26 | Jaffa | X3 is cheap |
| 08:19.27 | RST38bis | lardman: (not relation to BMWs of the same name) |
| 08:19.30 | Andy80 | timsamoff, is that all about N900 for today :S ?! |
| 08:19.31 | qole | X6: all the music in the world, X3: only some of the music in the world |
| 08:19.34 | Jaffa | 115eur |
| 08:19.35 | timsamoff | Ah yes. My favorite site. :p |
| 08:19.43 | Jaffa | Andy80: Of course not |
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| 08:19.51 | lardman | RST38bis: lol, thanks |
| 08:19.52 | Captain_Picard | what about Z4? |
| 08:19.53 | Jaffa | There are demos on the floor |
| 08:20.04 | keesj | we want picutres |
| 08:20.07 | qole | Oh can you go play with demo N900s now? |
| 08:20.14 | lardman | Jaffa: that cheap, wow |
| 08:20.16 | wazd | Now Nokia has M5, X3 and X6 :) Time to change logo :) |
| 08:20.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Please try and steal one for me, thanks :) |
| 08:20.25 | RST38bis | What is M5? =) |
| 08:20.28 | lardman | wazd: just M3 to go |
| 08:20.30 | RST38bis | Ah, I know =) |
| 08:20.30 | wazd | RST38bis: maemo 5 :) |
| 08:20.39 | qole | Jaffa: demo n900 units?? |
| 08:20.45 | RST38bis | BTW, they also copyrighted Cxxx brand |
| 08:20.49 | timsamoff | Jaffa and I will beat up some demoers and grab a few. |
| 08:20.54 | Jaffa | qole: There will be |
| 08:20.55 | Captain_Picard | im gonna get me a Nokia M5 AMG |
| 08:21.07 | RST38bis | Captail; With diesel? =) |
| 08:21.10 | Captain_Picard | yeh |
| 08:21.13 | qole | jaffa: not yet? |
| 08:21.19 | lardman | not sure M5 and AMG really mix |
| 08:21.26 | Jaffa | lardman: x3 is S40 accorrding to twitterr |
| 08:21.41 | Captain_Picard | when can i get a N97 mini with maemo? |
| 08:21.43 | Jaffa | qole: It's keynotes now. Everyone in one room |
| 08:21.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Who wants S40 in this day and age? |
| 08:21.57 | lardman | my parents were looking for some new cheap phones, sounds ideal as long as it has Bt + cheap camera |
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| 08:22.09 | Captain_Picard | BT for what purpouse? |
| 08:22.15 | lardman | hands free |
| 08:22.27 | vesa | http://conversations.nokia.com/ has x6, x3 etc. 'specs' |
| 08:22.43 | lardman | thanks |
| 08:22.51 | lardman | they do have a lot of randomly named subdomains |
| 08:22.57 | vesa | that they do. |
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| 08:23.02 | qole | timsamoff: where's this one taken? http://twitpic.com/g6k05 |
| 08:23.16 | prometoys | good morning. do I need another password for talk.maemo.org then for wiki, midgard etc |
| 08:23.26 | lardman | good, has camera + Bt |
| 08:24.06 | timsamoff | Qole: At the Movinpic Hotel lobby. |
| 08:24.32 | qole | Movinpic? Don't they make ice cream or something? |
| 08:24.47 | timsamoff | Mmm, ice cream. If they do, I haven't found it. |
| 08:25.17 | qole | Well, I guess I'm off to bed then. |
| 08:25.32 | qole | If there's nothing more happening. |
| 08:25.48 | johnx | aSIMULAtor, soooo, now that the N900 is announced and going to be on display, how do you feel about the picture quality? :D |
| 08:26.00 | Jaffa | qole: There'll be more; but we have to get past boring business partners |
| 08:26.03 | wazd | prometoys: yeah |
| 08:26.31 | Aswarp | I want a (cheaper) N900! |
| 08:27.08 | qole | jaffa: It is 1:30 am here. I can't wait to get past boring business partners |
| 08:27.20 | tbf | Aswarp: get it from some mobile operator with some 3G flate rate |
| 08:27.26 | qole | I'm finishing my absinthe and going to bed. |
| 08:27.34 | Corsac | Aswarp: was there any news about prices? (besides the 650e heard here and there) |
| 08:27.43 | Khertan_ | when i see n97 at 349⬠with a two year contract ... |
| 08:27.48 | Khertan_ | in france |
| 08:27.53 | Khertan_ | the n900 will be 500 |
| 08:27.54 | Andy80 | Jaffa, the keynote's schedule doesn't look like so interesting... |
| 08:28.01 | tbf | plus taxes |
| 08:28.07 | Corsac | Khertan_: HT :) |
| 08:28.14 | Khertan_ | Corsac: ttc |
| 08:28.18 | Corsac | source? |
| 08:28.22 | Khertan_ | with two years contract |
| 08:28.27 | Aswarp | I heard 499$, but given the pricing for previous tablets (350$) and the iPhone below 200, I think it is far too much... |
| 08:28.35 | Khertan_ | it s 649 Euro ttc in french store |
| 08:28.44 | Jaffa | Khertan_: On contract N900 will be subsidized, so you're not comparing like with like |
| 08:28.54 | Corsac | Khertan_: do you have a source for the 500+contract? |
| 08:28.56 | Jaffa | Andy80: Perhaps not |
| 08:28.57 | Khertan_ | so with a two year contract you get most of the time 150 Euros less |
| 08:29.02 | Khertan_ | Corsac: now |
| 08:29.04 | Aswarp | Will Vodafone offer the N900? |
| 08:29.06 | Khertan_ | it s speculation |
| 08:29.23 | Khertan_ | but as it s around 150Euros for a two year contract on sfr |
| 08:29.24 | Corsac | ok, so last price is 650 until more info arrise |
| 08:29.26 | X-Fade | Just look at what your provider asks for a N97 + subscription. |
| 08:29.30 | Jaffa | Corsac: It's 500 *exc. taxes & contract* |
| 08:29.37 | Corsac | yeah |
| 08:29.39 | Khertan_ | 649 - 150 = 500 TTC with two years contract |
| 08:29.48 | X-Fade | Should probably pretty similar to what the N900 will cost + subscription. |
| 08:29.49 | Corsac | 499 you mean? :Ã |
| 08:29.52 | Corsac | :) |
| 08:29.58 | Jaffa | Khrtan: It's been announced that carriers will subsidize |
| 08:30.12 | Khertan_ | Jaffa: yes as all other mobile device |
| 08:30.17 | Jaffa | So as X-Fade says, compare with N97 prices on contract |
| 08:30.17 | Andy80 | wants a developer discount, not a subsized contract :P |
| 08:30.29 | Khertan_ | Jaffa: yep this is what i ve do |
| 08:30.45 | Khertan_ | Jaffa: n97 have a subdivized price of 150 Euros |
| 08:30.47 | qole | Wow, that is some serious resolution there on that screen: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nokia_n900_live_2.jpg |
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| 08:32.05 | johnx | qole, holy damn. that screen photographs real well |
| 08:32.48 | lbt | I'd be *really* impressed if that was an N900 photo ;) |
| 08:33.06 | qole | johnx, Even at super macro, you can still hardly see the pixels |
| 08:33.34 | Aswarp | Some Moiré though ;) |
| 08:33.52 | johnx | they really went the extra mile though: very nice antialiasing and what is it 250+ DPI |
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| 08:34.01 | X-Fade | qole: And it is a transflective screen, so that is why you see the 'holes' |
| 08:34.11 | lbt | Look at the 'L' on "Latest: My first tweet" |
| 08:34.43 | qole | lbt, yes there are those pixels |
| 08:35.01 | qole | the 'a' is pretty muddy too |
| 08:35.16 | lbt | X rendering though |
| 08:35.21 | lbt | not the screen |
| 08:35.38 | qole | Still, though. Compare those characters to the Nokia logo above to get some perspective |
| 08:35.56 | lardman | Aswarp: I do wonder about that, probably T-Mobile though |
| 08:35.58 | qole | You really can't see that with the unaided eye |
| 08:37.15 | lcuk | waves |
| 08:37.31 | lcuk | wheres the feed |
| 08:37.38 | johnx | back in a sec |
| 08:37.39 | lbt | I have no concerns about resolution/quality |
| 08:37.42 | lardman | scroll up a bit |
| 08:37.53 | qole | lcuk, you missed it! |
| 08:38.06 | lcuk | meh@wrk |
| 08:38.09 | qole | they announced free N900s to everyone in Africa! |
| 08:38.16 | Aswarp | lardman: I hope Movistar, Orange an dvodafone, so we can choose the best plan and pricing... |
| 08:38.16 | lcuk | moves |
| 08:38.28 | timsamoff | sits. |
| 08:38.33 | Khertan_ | lcuk: 2 min about n900 ... 1 hour about n97 mini |
| 08:38.42 | Khertan_ | you have miss nothing |
| 08:39.10 | qole | lcuk, actually I drank a glass of absinthe, ate some bread sticks and hummus, and listened to them prattle on about the N97 mini |
| 08:39.12 | Corsac | http://boutique.nokia.fr/nokia-fr/product.aspx?culture=fr-FR&sku=6957877&cp=new_home&link=n900home#__anchor_ProductSelector btw |
| 08:39.12 | Andy80 | Khertan_, you're right... |
| 08:39.16 | lardman | Aswarp: I thought Nokia had done a tie-in with T-Mobile |
| 08:39.18 | Corsac | pre order available at 650 |
| 08:39.19 | lardman | anyone know? |
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| 08:39.36 | lbt | is rewriting powerlaunch |
| 08:39.57 | Khertan_ | Khertan_: about what ? nothing miss ? or high priced in france due to our stupid taxes ? |
| 08:40.14 | qole | looks at his watch again and wonders why he still isn't in bed |
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| 08:40.44 | Aswarp | Stupid taxes and pocket-ripping early adopters the most probable reasons |
| 08:40.57 | lardman | looks at the exchange rate and thinks how expensive the N900 will be |
| 08:41.08 | Corsac | Khertan_: btw, all pre-orders are at 650 |
| 08:41.16 | Corsac | (it, de, fr) |
| 08:41.18 | Corsac | at least |
| 08:41.21 | Corsac | not checked anything else |
| 08:41.26 | Khertan_ | lardman: exchange rate .... it s always 1-1 |
| 08:41.28 | wazd | hah, faster than Dell :D |
| 08:41.31 | qole | looks at hspa frequencies in Canada and weeps |
| 08:41.37 | Corsac | and expansys doesn't have any price yet |
| 08:41.55 | Khertan_ | Corsac: it s 650 since one weeks |
| 08:42.33 | lardman | Khertan_: it's not far off that for the £! |
| 08:42.49 | Aswarp | If they produced N770 at 350$ being the first device, which is always expensive, and N900 being sooooo similar to it, apaprt from having a SIM card, why do they double the price? |
| 08:43.12 | aquatix | there's a lot of new tech in there |
| 08:43.14 | lardman | inflation |
| 08:43.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Believe me, the N900 is anything but similar. |
| 08:43.20 | qole | timsamoff, is that a gloating look I see on his face? http://twitpic.com/g6l04 |
| 08:43.27 | kirma | corsac: I think .fi had 600... and .de too |
| 08:43.29 | Aswarp | They can sink the ship. I'd prefer lower prices, lower margins, but higher volume and addoption rates |
| 08:43.30 | Stskeeps | n900 is in no way similar |
| 08:43.37 | wazd | Aswarp: well, similar, like, it has a screen too? :D |
| 08:43.42 | Khertan_ | will finish mPIM ... it ll be not tommorow that me could use the Maemo 5 Calendar |
| 08:43.45 | kirma | or not 650 at least |
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| 08:43.49 | Stskeeps | it's like comparing a jet plane to george bush |
| 08:43.52 | timsamoff | Qole: Maybe. Maybe. :) |
| 08:43.56 | Corsac | kirma: hmh, correct |
| 08:43.56 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: the new feature is that it doesn't WSOD! |
| 08:44.13 | timsamoff | will be back in a while. |
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| 08:44.22 | wazd | http://twitpic.com/g6l04 - hate you :( |
| 08:44.27 | Aswarp | similar in the cost of materials. And given that the OS is being under development for many years, that's scale economies operating there |
| 08:44.34 | wazd | :P |
| 08:44.37 | kirma | yes... 599 + shipping in .fi |
| 08:44.49 | Khertan_ | so it s seems it s the time for me to get an other n810 |
| 08:44.53 | Khertan_ | as mine is dying |
| 08:45.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Khertan_: that's because of those times you used it one-handed |
| 08:45.22 | wazd | Aswarp: It's so much more feature packed than 770, that I'm affraid to describe |
| 08:45.37 | wazd | Aswarp: 2 different devices |
| 08:45.46 | Khertan_ | qwerty12_N810: that s because he is 2 year old ... and the battery is dying |
| 08:45.53 | Corsac | kirma: and I assume they wont ship to fr :) |
| 08:46.10 | Khertan_ | that s also because the keyboard is scratching when opening it |
| 08:46.31 | Corsac | I'll wait to see if sfr propose me some good price with 1 or 2 year re-contract, and see if expansys has some good prices too |
| 08:46.34 | Khertan_ | and because sometimes it s reboot without any reason |
| 08:46.38 | Corsac | especially since I'd prefer a qwerty keyboard |
| 08:46.41 | qole | timsamoff, you mentioned that you didn't have wifi at the hotel, what's with that?! |
| 08:46.50 | lardman | I reckon we should all just take a step back and wait and see what happens by way of price plans/possibly dev devices/etc |
| 08:46.51 | Aswarp | I know they are 2 different devices and i love the new feats. but they are more similar to one another than to a Samsung, HTC or whatever, aren't they? |
| 08:46.53 | Khertan_ | Corsac: sfr will propose you to 500 Euros ttc not less |
| 08:46.59 | Aswarp | that's no excuse for doubling the price |
| 08:47.01 | Khertan_ | Corsac: with a two year contract ... |
| 08:47.10 | Corsac | Khertan_: and maybe much more since it's a renewal |
| 08:47.16 | Khertan_ | Corsac: yep |
| 08:47.16 | Aswarp | 10%, 20& i'd understand, but in no way 100% up |
| 08:47.24 | kirma | observs twitters complaining that they "should wait" for post-N900 device |
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| 08:47.42 | Khertan_ | Corsac: and you will not be able to use all feature as sfr let s only port 80 and https open |
| 08:47.58 | Khertan_ | Corsac: on their 'pseudo' 'illimited' access |
| 08:47.59 | Corsac | Khertan_: as I heard, not with "full internet" contract |
| 08:48.04 | kirma | those folks could understand that Maemo is on "next great thing is almost there" track, the way that things have been on for instance PCs hardware for decades |
| 08:48.09 | wazd | Aswarp: I can say that again, it's much more than 2x more packed |
| 08:48.11 | Khertan_ | the one at 69 Euros by month ? |
| 08:48.26 | tlax | any glues why HomeCalendar uses wrong locale? |
| 08:48.31 | Corsac | the most expensive one, but I think it starts at 49 |
| 08:48.36 | tlax | err.. clues |
| 08:48.47 | Khertan_ | tlax: because his developper need a n900 to debug it ... |
| 08:48.50 | Khertan_ | tlax: really ? |
| 08:49.08 | Khertan_ | tlax: homecalendar use the pref of mCalendar for locale |
| 08:49.40 | tlax | heh.. didn't realize you were here.. |
| 08:49.46 | Corsac | Khertan_: http://s6.s-sfr.fr/mobile/uc/00/2z/x7/FIS_190809_Full_Internet.pdf |
| 08:49.55 | Aswarp | I'd rather buy a N800 and an HTC, and still got some spare coins for that price |
| 08:49.57 | tlax | I was going to spam your website with this |
| 08:50.22 | qole | Wow, Reggie Suplido says it best on Twitter: "I wish Anssi would stop saying 'step x of 5' everytime. Here is the N900 gaining so much momentum and he basically said - skip it." |
| 08:50.30 | Khertan_ | tlax: héhé |
| 08:50.38 | tlax | Khertan_: mCalendar works fine, but the HomeCalendar has every time with -4 hours |
| 08:50.49 | johnx | ha! they borrowed the progressbar idea from tear |
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| 08:51.10 | Khertan_ | Corsac: yep but imap and smtp is working only with there server |
| 08:51.12 | tlax | Khertan_: I bet it doesn't like my finnish locale or something |
| 08:51.20 | Khertan_ | Corsac: and things are still limited |
| 08:51.32 | Aswarp | Will GMail be never down on N900? |
| 08:51.39 | Aswarp | ;) |
| 08:51.55 | Corsac | Khertan_: well, I was told that it worked |
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| 08:52.11 | Khertan_ | tlax: ah so it s a bug not with locale but with timezone |
| 08:52.26 | Khertan_ | Corsac: i ve hear that not :) |
| 08:52.49 | Khertan_ | anyway 48Euro by month is too expensive |
| 08:53.03 | tlax | Khertan_: ah.. hmm.. I will do some further investigations |
| 08:53.19 | Khertan_ | currently i paid 18 for 1 one hour + 6 euros for limited access to port 80 and https |
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| 08:53.35 | Khertan_ | i use it with my n810 |
| 08:53.42 | lcuk | qole, but you remember. it is a linux device. we do not come because it is complete. we do not become because it is the final version. we come because it is the communities code. we come because we care. |
| 08:53.51 | Khertan_ | just use webchat.freenode.net and gmail ... |
| 08:54.00 | Khertan_ | and use privoxy to change the userhost |
| 08:54.03 | qole | lcuk, we come because it rocks |
| 08:54.19 | lcuk | totally fucking kicks ass |
| 08:54.23 | Stskeeps | in our pants? |
| 08:54.24 | qole | lcuk, but yeah, what you said too ;-) |
| 08:54.35 | lcuk | hah |
| 08:54.45 | qole | Stskeeps, well it does have vibra API |
| 08:54.52 | Khertan_ | tlax: anyway ... just wait 1 or 2 weeks ... and you ll get an other nice replacement for mCalendar :) |
| 08:54.58 | Khertan_ | mPIM :) |
| 08:55.07 | Corsac | Khertan_: I want *at least* ssh :) |
| 08:55.15 | Khertan_ | tlax: i ve post some screenshot on my website |
| 08:55.19 | Corsac | url? |
| 08:55.23 | nomis | a vibra API strong enough to kick ass? |
| 08:55.26 | Khertan_ | Corsac: just do dns tunneling :) |
| 08:55.32 | nomis | ouch. |
| 08:55.48 | Khertan_ | Corsac: a bit slower but works |
| 08:55.58 | qole | I was thinking someone should write an app that vibrates the N900 in time to the beat of the music you are playing. And make the icon a picture of a woman massaging her ankle with the N900. And call it banana phone. And write the app in python. |
| 08:56.19 | qole | nomis, no strong enough to rock in our pants |
| 08:56.25 | Corsac | and bind it with wiibrator |
| 08:56.34 | Khertan_ | qole: i was thinking of stupid starwars laser immitation application |
| 08:56.45 | Khertan_ | but it s an other good stupid app idea |
| 08:56.55 | AStorm | better, a call rejection app |
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| 08:57.13 | Jaffa | qole: email from Peter incoming |
| 08:57.18 | Corsac | Khertan_: url for mPIM? :) |
| 08:57.20 | AStorm | that uses the phonebook and has a few settings to drop calls |
| 08:57.22 | jaska | hmm, i wonder how open the phone apis are, can i make a program that drops all unknown numbers etc? |
| 08:57.33 | qole | http://www.gamegirladvance.com/archives/2002/10/26/sex_in_games_rezvibrator.html |
| 08:57.50 | Khertan_ | Corsac: not yet available .... but screenshots on my blog : http://khertan.net/ |
| 08:58.05 | AStorm | none, accept from phonebook, accept from list, accept from quickdial, deny from those |
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| 08:58.24 | wazd_ | stop droping me, you bastard! |
| 08:58.32 | qole | Jaffa, that's it? just go ahead? |
| 08:58.37 | Khertan_ | wazd_: blam peer |
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| 08:58.55 | Corsac | Khertan_: no intention to add contact management? |
| 08:59.19 | Khertan_ | Corsac: not yet ... |
| 08:59.22 | Jaffa | qole: Sent from his N900 in a presentation |
| 08:59.23 | Khertan_ | Corsac: but why not |
| 08:59.57 | Jaffa | qole: You want more? |
| 09:00.00 | qole | Jaffa, ok, going ahead... |
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| 09:00.05 | qole | giggles |
| 09:00.23 | Jaffa | muwhahaha |
| 09:01.04 | AStorm | oh, a neat feature stolen from another phone |
| 09:01.13 | AStorm | an option to silence an incoming call w/o dropping it |
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| 09:01.44 | AStorm | including the buzzer |
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| 09:05.37 | pyrius | hello to everybody |
| 09:05.38 | timeless_mbp | AStorm: which phone has that? |
| 09:05.44 | timeless_mbp | doesn't remember seeing it in the n900 |
| 09:05.58 | wazd_ | wow, booklet battery is kinda huge :) |
| 09:06.10 | AStorm | timeless_mbp: some SE |
| 09:06.17 | Aswarp | I'm up for the OIOO interface dev |
| 09:06.23 | Corsac | my SE does that yes |
| 09:06.23 | qwerty12_N810 | 's old-ass K750i could do it |
| 09:06.25 | timeless_mbp | oh man |
| 09:06.28 | wazd_ | AStorm: are you kidding? |
| 09:06.30 | timeless_mbp | that's *so* unintuitive |
| 09:06.33 | qwerty12_N810 | And my W810 |
| 09:06.35 | Corsac | k600 here :) |
| 09:06.41 | AStorm | very intuitive |
| 09:06.43 | wazd_ | AStorm: my 2630 for 50 bucks do that |
| 09:06.47 | AStorm | it says "I'm not there" |
| 09:06.50 | AStorm | ;p |
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| 09:07.08 | wazd_ | AStorm: it's called "Silence call" :D |
| 09:07.13 | AStorm | yes |
| 09:07.27 | wazd_ | AStorm: nokia had that for hears |
| 09:07.31 | Corsac | it rocks |
| 09:07.34 | vesa | and it's in every phone out there |
| 09:07.37 | wazd_ | AStorm: even on the cheapest |
| 09:07.38 | Corsac | "i filter you but you don't know it" |
| 09:07.46 | pyrius | I'm having a problem with installing canola on n800, it says that libpng and lightmediascanner are missing |
| 09:07.50 | vesa | if you were being sarcastic i think everyone missed it |
| 09:08.04 | wazd_ | yeah, now you're gonna die! |
| 09:08.05 | wazd_ | :D |
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| 09:11.17 | timeless_mbp | ok, so the silence call feature is absolutely incomprehensible (GUI/UX) on the n900 |
| 09:11.28 | timeless_mbp | and the button next to silence is kinda broken |
| 09:11.36 | timeless_mbp | because it still triggers a missed call info banner |
| 09:12.23 | AStorm | oh, there is one already? fun! |
| 09:13.00 | Aswarp | I would leave software issues aside to get the product out sooner and cheaper and then release updates as usual |
| 09:13.17 | Aswarp | Not that I can cope without copy&paste XD |
| 09:14.39 | AStorm | timeless_mbp: does it silence the buzzer too? |
| 09:14.42 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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| 09:15.56 | qole | http://maemo.org/community/council/the_n900_from_a_community_perspective |
| 09:15.57 | thp | X-Fade: a package in Extras-Testing needs five "thumbs up" reviews to get into Extras? Or what's that "Package karma: 1 out of 5" box on the packages interface? |
| 09:16.17 | X-Fade | thp: Yes, although the actual number is still under debate. |
| 09:16.38 | qole | Jaffa, there it is. |
| 09:16.40 | aSIMULAtor | timeless: what are you refering to? incoming call? |
| 09:16.53 | thp | X-Fade: is there a "minimum days of testing" period, also? |
| 09:17.02 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 09:17.07 | zacky | why havent anyone got the n900 for a updated a review yet? |
| 09:17.23 | X-Fade | thp: Will be yes, but now it is just the lack of testers. |
| 09:17.34 | aSIMULAtor | in what sense is it difficult? |
| 09:17.57 | thp | X-Fade: ok, thanks for the info :) |
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| 09:21.02 | aSIMULAtor | One humourous note; opening and closing apps is accompanied by such human-sounding .whshhht. and .fshhhht. sounds that people look at you, wondering why you're making those funny noises with your mouth. |
| 09:21.07 | aSIMULAtor | haha |
| 09:21.13 | aSIMULAtor | :D |
| 09:21.24 | qole | Well, they DO |
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| 09:24.02 | mandara | !logs |
| 09:24.17 | mandara | !log |
| 09:24.34 | lcuk | !whshhht |
| 09:24.44 | qwerty12_N810 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 09:25.14 | mandara | qwerty12_N810, thnx! |
| 09:25.26 | Stskeeps | qole, you have a n900? :P |
| 09:25.29 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: and if there is noone to test it ? |
| 09:25.40 | ShadowJK | tried to remember what the msrp for n97 was at announce |
| 09:25.42 | ShadowJK | 700? |
| 09:25.49 | X-Fade | Khertan_: Then we will have a timeout. |
| 09:25.56 | Khertan_ | X-Fade: ok |
| 09:25.59 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, so it seems, lol |
| 09:26.01 | X-Fade | Khertan_: Where an admin would then need to look at it. |
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| 09:27.46 | qole | !fshhhht |
| 09:28.20 | Khertan_ | !!whshhht |
| 09:28.30 | qole | Stskeeps, "I have been given a brief hands-on time on the N900" |
| 09:28.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 09:28.54 | tlax | Khertan_: yes.. I'm waiting.. for mPIM and n900 :) |
| 09:29.10 | Corsac | is 'october' 01/09 or 31/09, btw? |
| 09:29.14 | Corsac | hem |
| 09:29.20 | Corsac | 01/10 and 31/10 |
| 09:29.37 | qole | Corsac, I hope it is before the Summit |
| 09:29.38 | Khertan_ | do not expect mPIM for n900 ... the small test i ve done with PyGTKEditor on the maemo 5 sdk ... segfault most of the time |
| 09:29.42 | VDVsx | try just released Nokia maps app, very cool for travelers :) |
| 09:29.50 | timeless_mbp | VDVsx: *cough* |
| 09:29.52 | VDVsx | *trying |
| 09:29.55 | timeless_mbp | last time i checked it couldn't find 20210 |
| 09:29.59 | Corsac | qole: might make sense *for* maemo summit |
| 09:30.00 | timeless_mbp | lemme know if it gets it right this time |
| 09:30.00 | Khertan_ | so until i get a n900 in my hand i could port my app |
| 09:30.22 | Corsac | like, attendings getting offers during the stuff, and public sales beginning just after? |
| 09:30.39 | qole | Corsac, I agree, and everyone who attends the Summit should get a free shirt and a free N900 |
| 09:30.49 | Corsac | agreed! |
| 09:30.56 | Corsac | though I wont atted :( |
| 09:30.57 | RST38bis | Ok, anything new and exciting since I have been called off for a meeting? |
| 09:31.15 | ShadowJK | http://hintaseuranta.fi/temp/hintagraafit/t213720.png <- so if this is the unsubsidized retail price of N97 in .fi, including the 22% tax, imagine N900 making similar curve starting at 500 :> |
| 09:31.25 | qole | !whshhht |
| 09:31.29 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, via michelin and lonely planet info are really cool, at least |
| 09:32.23 | qole | Ok, 2:30 am, going to bed now. |
| 09:32.28 | kirma | I suppose N900 is testable in flagship stores starting from tomorrow |
| 09:32.35 | kirma | at least they say so about helsinki |
| 09:33.24 | Khertan_ | qole: i'm sure we will get a free shirt ... and sure we will not get a free n900 :) |
| 09:33.40 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, Re "might drop "Website" from the maemo.nokia.com and maemo.org products" - I also considered that, yeah. not strong opinion though |
| 09:34.35 | wazd_ | likes Wordpress theming |
| 09:34.38 | qole | Khertan_, really? |
| 09:34.52 | qole | ;-) |
| 09:35.22 | Khertan_ | qole: and that the developper program will not be launch too before the summit |
| 09:35.23 | Khertan_ | :) |
| 09:35.24 | wazd_ | qole: I feel like I'm in US too :) |
| 09:35.54 | wazd_ | qole: want to sleep so much :) |
| 09:35.56 | qole | wazd_, I don't feel like I'm in the US... I'm in Canada :-) |
| 09:36.05 | wazd_ | qole: oh, whatever :D |
| 09:36.08 | qole | hahaha |
| 09:36.26 | qole | Khertan_, tee hee. |
| 09:36.29 | Myrtti | anything new after Anssi finished his speech? |
| 09:36.38 | qwerty12_N810 | qole: The North American country where they speak proper English? :) |
| 09:36.51 | wazd_ | Myrtti: world collapses right now :) |
| 09:37.14 | qole | qwerty12_N810, no the one where we speak a bastardised version of English and American |
| 09:37.20 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: sure, buddy :D |
| 09:37.20 | Myrtti | wazd_: I had that feeling an hour ago when I had blood and MRSA bacteria tests taken |
| 09:37.37 | qole | My poor daughter doesn't know whether she should say "zed" or "zee" |
| 09:37.37 | Myrtti | wazd_: but if on the Nokia World aspect of things? |
| 09:37.56 | lardman | zed |
| 09:38.12 | wazd_ | Where's Zed? ed's dead, baby |
| 09:38.22 | qole | lardman, if she lived in Britain, it would be easy. |
| 09:38.33 | wazd_ | Myrtti: it was like an hour bout n97 mini and 30 seconds bout n900 |
| 09:38.33 | qole | If she lived in the USA, it would be easy. |
| 09:39.07 | wazd_ | Myrtti: "Oh, and we announcind n900 today. Goodbye" :) |
| 09:39.22 | qole | I'm 5'11" and I buy my milk by the litre |
| 09:39.42 | Myrtti | wazd_: wasn't that what Anssi said? anything interesting after that? |
| 09:39.59 | lardman | qole: same measurement units as we have here, and mph |
| 09:40.00 | qole | Myrtti, he just walked offstage after that |
| 09:40.15 | Myrtti | qole: no new speeches or anything? |
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| 09:40.27 | qole | Well, maybe but nothing televised |
| 09:40.35 | wazd_ | Myrtti: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/upl
live_2.jpg - uber dpi shot I guess :) |
| 09:41.03 | qole | wazd_, the resolution is astonishing. Simply astonishing. |
| 09:41.14 | wazd_ | qole: not the resolution but dpi |
| 09:41.23 | wazd_ | qole: resolution is the same :) |
| 09:41.38 | lcuk | no, they quadrupled it |
| 09:41.42 | wazd_ | oh crap |
| 09:41.44 | qole | Erm, eh, yeah, |
| 09:41.45 | wazd_ | wrong link |
| 09:41.47 | lcuk | and added fairydust |
| 09:41.53 | wazd_ | http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/nokia_n900_live_2.jpg |
| 09:42.18 | qole | it is an astonishing resolution *at that size* |
| 09:42.20 | qole | there |
| 09:42.43 | qwerty12_N810 | MicroB is actually usuable too (even though browserd is still used). Rejoice! |
| 09:42.44 | qole | put the iPhone beside the N900 |
| 09:42.47 | VDVsx | timeless_mbp, 20210 -> Finland, Lansi ? |
| 09:42.49 | lcuk | about 250dpi isnt it? |
| 09:43.02 | jaska | 810 is 225 |
| 09:43.08 | wazd_ | lcuk: 255 I think |
| 09:43.08 | qole | An interesting difference between the iPhone and the N900: the colour temperature is different |
| 09:43.25 | aSIMULAtor | nice photo |
| 09:43.29 | Corsac | qole: could you take a side by side picture? :) |
| 09:43.35 | qole | the iPhone is far more blue than the N900 |
| 09:43.41 | X-Fade | qole: Color temperature is different for all tablet generations. |
| 09:43.54 | X-Fade | qole: 770 was really yellowy. |
| 09:43.59 | qole | Corsac, no sorry I can't |
| 09:44.17 | wazd_ | X-Fade: n800 is slightly yellowy too |
| 09:44.30 | qole | The N900 is much warmer than the iPhone, maybe even yellowy |
| 09:45.09 | AStorm | european color scheme ;) |
| 09:45.13 | wazd_ | qole: is OMWeather pre-installed? :D |
| 09:45.13 | AStorm | 5500 K |
| 09:45.21 | lcuk | qole, are you sure you havent got the cpu locked doin something |
| 09:45.33 | lcuk | which might explain the warmth :D |
| 09:46.04 | Corsac | qole: ta :) |
| 09:46.09 | qole | rolls eyes |
| 09:47.03 | Khertan_ | ... ... ... ... |
| 09:47.05 | qole | Very interesting! |
| 09:47.23 | Khertan_ | jaffa2#maemo5 final SDK before device launch: "few weeks" |
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| 09:47.56 | qole | The N800 screen looks slightly reddish compared to the N900 |
| 09:48.00 | lardman | not unexpected |
| 09:48.13 | AStorm | better diodes in n900 |
| 09:48.34 | kirma | corsac: I believe they have to apply VAT of the target country in most postal orders, at least more valuable ones... so, probably not |
| 09:48.53 | lardman | VAT and probably duty too |
| 09:49.04 | Corsac | kirma: for expansys you mean? |
| 09:49.32 | kirma | I meant ordering from .fi nokia web shop to .fr |
| 09:49.44 | Corsac | ha :) |
| 09:49.54 | Corsac | I dont think it'd be allowed anyway |
| 09:50.04 | Corsac | but if it is, yeah, they would use the target VAT |
| 09:50.07 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: ping?) |
| 09:50.08 | Khertan_ | on expansys : TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable (CA-75U, included in box) or WLAN/UPnP |
| 09:50.32 | Stskeeps | wazd_: pong |
| 09:50.34 | qole | Almost 3am. It was fun hearing about posting maps on facebook from your N97 mini. |
| 09:50.34 | Corsac | or run without tax and have the shipper pay it at border, and have it ask you to pay it |
| 09:50.50 | Khertan_ | wlan upnp ... this mean we can send screencast by upnp ? |
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| 09:51.01 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: I'm re-engeneering my blog now for better Mer stuff coverage |
| 09:51.07 | Stskeeps | wazd_: alright |
| 09:51.17 | tlax | Khertan_: does mPIM have a better support for overlapping events? |
| 09:51.29 | Khertan_ | overlapping ? |
| 09:51.56 | Stskeeps | wazd_: moving mer ui towards being a part of design.maemo.org could be neat too |
| 09:51.57 | Khertan_ | google my friend |
| 09:52.00 | Khertan_ | tlax: not yet |
| 09:52.08 | Khertan_ | but it s in developpment :) |
| 09:52.15 | lardman | ah, more news on the device program |
| 09:52.21 | julianol1ver | Stskeeps: indeed.. |
| 09:52.38 | tlax | Khertan_: yes, when for example a meeting begins before another one has ended.. it's hard to read if they are just listed from top to down :P |
| 09:52.41 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: yeah |
| 09:53.06 | VDVsx | lardman, well, at least there will be a device program ;) |
| 09:53.20 | lbt | how do I tell planet to only look at maemo tagged posts in my blogger.com blog? |
| 09:53.36 | Khertan_ | tlax: yep |
| 09:53.39 | lardman | VDVsx: yes |
| 09:53.55 | Khertan_ | tlax: it s what i work on this moning |
| 09:53.59 | Khertan_ | morning |
| 09:53.59 | VDVsx | lbt, rss feed of that tag ? |
| 09:54.01 | _berto_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo |
| 09:54.05 | _berto_ | have you seen that ? |
| 09:54.20 | Khertan_ | tlax: there is at the moment a bug in the rendering |
| 09:54.23 | lbt | VDVsx: yes... wasn't sure how... |
| 09:54.47 | Khertan_ | tlax : http://khertan.net/wp-content/uploads/screenshot12.png |
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| 09:56.33 | tlax | Khertan_: cool.. nice job anyways :) |
| 09:57.07 | lbt | ah... blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default/-/labelname |
| 09:57.18 | lbt | obvious UI... not! |
| 09:57.27 | X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, a bit weird, but that is it ;) |
| 09:57.57 | ShadowJK | 20210? Where's that? Turku? |
| 09:57.59 | lbt | X-Fade... I realised I'll probably have some eclipse stuff on there too... |
| 09:58.00 | X-Fade | lbt: Want me to change that? |
| 09:58.04 | lbt | would you mind? |
| 09:58.05 | Khertan_ | and with overlapping event (i learn a new word today) it should render something like that : http://www.theiphoneblog.com/images/stories/2008/07/iphone_20_calendar_home.jpg |
| 09:58.06 | lbt | :) |
| 09:58.45 | Khertan_ | but it doesn't work yet :) |
| 09:59.01 | Khertan_ | i ve some problem with alpha color ... |
| 09:59.04 | Khertan_ | and positionning |
| 10:01.10 | lbt | X-Fade: Maemo? (I used a capital M) |
| 10:02.39 | X-Fade | lbt: Ok, changed |
| 10:02.44 | lbt | ta |
| 10:02.51 | RST38bis | Any Bounce Evolution screenshots? |
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| 10:04.42 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38bis: yerga just posted a YouTube link on TMO of a new video and in it, the guy plays Bounce Evolution |
| 10:05.28 | VDVsx | RST38bis, want a video ? |
| 10:05.47 | VDVsx | :P |
| 10:05.50 | _berto_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrYqemylpIo |
| 10:06.02 | _berto_ | at 4:00 |
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| 10:06.20 | lardman | lol @ Jaffa's free beer |
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