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| 00:47.28 | Firebird | hm, does the fremantle SDK have a task switcher? |
| 00:49.59 | GeneralAntilles | Not yet |
| 00:51.15 | Firebird | should I be worrying if my programs disappear visually then? |
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| 01:06.12 | mkpaa | my canola and mplayer stopped playing sound in videos.. google didn't tell me any likely answers |
| 01:08.08 | brbrbr | what meant by "stopped" ? |
| 01:08.43 | brbrbr | same videos, correctly played before ? sound volume checked ? equalizers and etc ? |
| 01:13.58 | mkpaa | everything worked fine when I last tried them (that was before last update) and now videos don't have sound on either canola or mplayer |
| 01:14.04 | mkpaa | canola plays audio files just fine |
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| 01:23.25 | THe_nation | hey ladies |
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| 01:55.23 | pupnik | does maemo xterm support an audio bell sound (ctrl-g) |
| 01:55.48 | pupnik | i would like the sshÃscreenÃirssi session to beep on msg |
| 01:56.56 | Luke-Jr | Ã? |
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| 02:06.36 | Macer | damn |
| 02:06.40 | Macer | son just went to sleep |
| 02:06.46 | Macer | now i can see about getting this damn browser installed |
| 02:07.00 | Macer | Luke-Jr: why don't your bins pick up? :) like some of them did but some didn't and i have no idea why |
| 02:07.27 | Macer | so it's trying to build stuff again |
| 02:07.28 | Macer | blah |
| 02:13.05 | Luke-Jr | Macer: USE flags. -K should force |
| 02:16.02 | Macer | Luke-Jr: can i see your make.conf? |
| 02:16.06 | Macer | so i can match up the use flags? |
| 02:16.44 | Macer | emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit". |
| 02:16.49 | Macer | that is what happens when i -K |
| 02:18.36 | pupnik | does epson controller on n8x0 actually throw away screen updates? |
| 02:19.40 | Macer | which is odd because some of the bins work but some don't |
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| 02:20.46 | Macer | [binary N ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.4 USE="qt4 -emacs -vim-syntax" |
| 02:20.55 | Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="kde -debug -pch" 0 kB |
| 02:21.03 | Macer | i don't get it |
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| 02:23.32 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.18 | Macer | [ebuild N ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 USE="debug kde pch" 0 kB |
| 02:26.22 | Macer | argh |
| 02:26.39 | Macer | wtf |
| 02:28.08 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.10 | Macer | Luke-Jr: have you tested this method? maybe there is a problem with something on your site |
| 02:33.16 | Luke-Jr | Macer: nope |
| 02:33.25 | Luke-Jr | you can always download it manually etc |
| 02:33.26 | Macer | hm. because i just can't seem to get it to grab the bins |
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| 02:56.47 | Macer | Portage[blocks B ] media-sound/phonon ("media-sound/phonon" is blocking x11-libs/qt-phonon-4.5.1) |
| 02:56.50 | Macer | [blocks B ] x11-libs/qt-phonon:4 ("x11-libs/qt-phonon:4" is blocking media-sound/phonon-4.4_pre20090520) |
| 02:57.10 | Macer | wtf |
| 03:08.27 | Macer | omfg i give up |
| 03:08.33 | Macer | this shit is too much of a pain in the ass to do |
| 03:08.45 | johnx | allo |
| 03:08.47 | Macer | unmask this |
| 03:08.52 | Macer | add this keyword |
| 03:08.55 | Macer | to 1293871293827 pkgs |
| 03:09.00 | johnx | having fun with gentoo? |
| 03:09.09 | Macer | fuck it's a pain :) it runs but UGH |
| 03:10.07 | johnx | mumble mumble told ya so mumble |
| 03:10.13 | Macer | [blocks B ] <x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.2 ("<x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.2" is blocking x11-libs/qt-gui-4.5.2-r2, x11-libs/qt-core-4.5.2, x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.2) |
| 03:10.17 | Macer | [blocks B ] >x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.1-r9999 (">x11-libs/qt-script-4.5.1-r9999" is blocking x11-libs/qt-opengl-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-test-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-dbus-4.5.1, x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.5.1) |
| 03:10.22 | Macer | now i'm running into stupid shit like pkg conflicts |
| 03:11.36 | Macer | yah. fuck gentoo. it really isn't worth the trouble |
| 03:11.48 | Macer | by the time i iron out all the bullshit then i might as well use mer 2.0 :) |
| 03:11.58 | Macer | wipes the sd |
| 03:12.21 | johnx | that was my experience with gentoo circa 2003 or so |
| 03:12.35 | Macer | well. you run into something that doesn't build |
| 03:12.42 | Macer | then you try to unmask shit to get it to build |
| 03:12.46 | Macer | then it fails while building |
| 03:12.53 | Macer | so you try something else that requires massive unmasking |
| 03:12.57 | johnx | yeah, I know. I tried to tell you I think |
| 03:12.59 | Macer | which fails :) |
| 03:13.13 | Macer | i remember this being the reason i ditched it on x86 |
| 03:13.16 | Macer | and started using fbsd |
| 03:13.29 | johnx | and all of that is separated by minutes of hours waiting for the failure to occur |
| 03:13.34 | Macer | ah well.. let me boot mer and try to install fluxbox heh |
| 03:14.02 | Macer | but this gentoo bullshit isn't wroth it. i'm going to wipe it now |
| 03:17.13 | brbrbr|rest | btw, what is Sabayon ? same as gentoo ?:) |
| 03:21.40 | Macer | dunno |
| 03:21.41 | Macer | never ran it |
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| 03:27.43 | Macer | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 03:27.44 | Macer | yeah |
| 03:27.45 | Macer | fail |
| 03:27.51 | Macer | wipes gentoo and never looks back |
| 03:28.12 | erik____1 | How can i know from which repository does a package come from in maemo ? |
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| 04:03.15 | MaceN8x0 | i want to be different! |
| 04:03.59 | MaceN8x0 | notices 2,000,000 hydra clients being used |
| 04:11.27 | Stskeeps | heh |
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| 05:28.49 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 05:29.03 | man_in_shack | anyone know if there's a shortcut way to clear the screen in maemopad? |
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| 05:57.00 | Corsac | http://www.begeek.fr/la-premiere-photo-officielle-du-nokia-n900-3445 |
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| 05:58.45 | jaem | evening... |
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| 06:22.02 | thux | ot does anybody have this booklet? curious about 12h battery life, how atom can do that? |
| 06:23.55 | Stskeeps | thux: nokia is -really- good at power management |
| 06:24.00 | Stskeeps | recall that |
| 06:24.11 | Stskeeps | they can probably beat the chipsets in the device into shape |
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| 06:54.03 | benson | Hi. I'm new here.when I differ the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc" and "$sb2 -e sb2-show path /etc", I get two path mapping. That' means the different between build mode and emulator mode.But I wonder about "$sb2 ./configure". Where are the libs and build dependeces mapped?To the build environment path?As the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc", I guess they are mapped to the build... |
| 06:54.05 | benson | ...environment.So If I cross compiled a package, where to intall the libs?build environment or rootstrap? |
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| 07:05.14 | benson | Thanks~ |
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| 07:30.04 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:30.49 | VDVsx | morning X-Fade :) |
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| 07:33.21 | benson | good morning |
| 07:33.34 | brbrbr | morning :) |
| 07:33.46 | brbrbr | but 11:30 AM here |
| 07:34.06 | benson | 15:34 here |
| 07:34.16 | brbrbr | o |
| 07:34.31 | benson | I'm new here.when I differ the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc" and "$sb2 -e sb2-show path /etc", I get two path mapping. That' means the different between build mode and emulator mode. |
| 07:34.52 | benson | But I wonder about "$sb2 ./configure". Where are the libs and build dependeces mapped?To the build environment path?As the result of "$sb2 sb2-show path /etc", I guess they are mapped to the buildenvironment.So If I cross compiled a package, where to intall the libs?build environment or rootstrap? |
| 07:35.12 | benson | Thanks |
| 07:35.20 | benson | Are you using sb2? |
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| 07:51.55 | man_in_i1ssi | grumbles |
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| 07:56.55 | man_in_irssi | my maemo won't boot :( |
| 07:57.06 | Stskeeps | got bootmenu with usb networking enabled? |
| 07:57.41 | man_in_irssi | not sure about usb networking |
| 07:58.09 | man_in_irssi | don't evem know where my cable is |
| 07:58.26 | man_in_irssi | but bootmenu, yes |
| 07:59.00 | Stskeeps | if you tried to install mer and followed the guide, it should work |
| 07:59.01 | tigert | g'day |
| 07:59.09 | man_in_irssi | ok |
| 07:59.35 | man_in_irssi | well, i'm on mer now |
| 07:59.41 | Stskeeps | morning tigert |
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| 08:00.36 | man_in_irssi | so ... |
| 08:02.04 | Stskeeps | does it say anything about USB networking when you are in bootmenu? |
| 08:02.55 | man_in_irssi | i guess that means i should switch to laptop :P |
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| 08:04.34 | man_in_ltop | ow, hot keyboard |
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| 08:06.46 | man_in_ltop | ok, the charging screen comes up fine for a start |
| 08:07.07 | man_in_ltop | oh, no it doesn't :| |
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| 08:07.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:07.52 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
| 08:07.58 | man_in_ltop | i don't see a usb option in bootmenu |
| 08:08.00 | man_in_ltop | ok |
| 08:08.09 | man_in_ltop | the problem is something to do with the charging screen |
| 08:12.00 | man_in_ltop | so now i'm back in maemo |
| 08:14.15 | man_in_ltop | i should probably reflash it |
| 08:14.19 | man_in_ltop | get rid of all my problems |
| 08:14.34 | man_in_ltop | but i'll want to keep all my apps and some of my settings/data :P |
| 08:16.13 | qwerty12_N810 | If you're able to boot to Mer, why not just mount /dev/mtdblock4 there, instead of trying to do so over USB? At the least, you'd be able to get any images or the like back |
| 08:16.28 | man_in_ltop | sure |
| 08:16.38 | man_in_ltop | but it's booted maemo now |
| 08:16.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah |
| 08:16.54 | man_in_ltop | i just need to work out what i want to keep, how to transfer it etc |
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| 08:18.11 | man_in_ltop | maemopad+ needs a one-key clear command |
| 08:18.48 | pupnik | can N8x0 xv / yuv scaling do non integer scaling ratios and independent x/y scaling factors? say i want to make a 320x400 window appear onscreen at 4:3 ratio |
| 08:19.58 | pupnik | like *anyone* knows that... ;) |
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| 08:20.17 | X-Fade | pupnik: lcuk might. |
| 08:21.12 | pupnik | dosbox has some funky modes, and it would be nice to not have to software-acale that to 640x480 |
| 08:22.02 | pupnik | course, opengl would make that so easy... |
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| 08:28.54 | lcuk2 | pupnik, make screen bigger to compensate |
| 08:29.01 | lcuk2 | and just leave it drawn black |
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| 08:36.37 | lcuk2 | xv does the scaling for you, but as you noticed it always fills the screen (using the mode changes liqbase does) |
| 08:36.59 | lcuk2 | so you just have to take care of aspect by drawing on the bits you need |
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| 08:39.59 | pupnik | boo hiss |
| 08:40.08 | pupnik | thanks lcuk2 |
| 08:40.29 | lcuk2 | feck off - you have gone from no mode changes to hardware scaling |
| 08:40.35 | lcuk2 | :P |
| 08:40.58 | lcuk2 | its only adjusting your Y start line |
| 08:41.03 | pupnik | awards lcuk2 a sourcream-sauerkraut sandwich smoothie |
| 08:41.23 | lcuk2 | i'd rather havea bacon butty, but thanks :D |
| 08:41.30 | pupnik | few games ever used those odd modes |
| 08:41.42 | lcuk2 | yeah its just to see anyway |
| 08:41.57 | Myrtti | mmmm bacon :-/ |
| 08:42.10 | lcuk2 | :D |
| 08:42.14 | lcuk2 | hiya Myrtti |
| 08:42.14 | pupnik | dosbox still software scales 320x200 tp 640x400 |
| 08:42.36 | Myrtti | looks at her ryebread with lowfat fresh cheese and a lettuce leaf |
| 08:42.43 | Myrtti | yeah, I'd love a bacon butty |
| 08:44.14 | pupnik | the backside of a pig? |
| 08:44.54 | Myrtti | sammich |
| 08:45.00 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 08:47.59 | pupnik | ah |
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| 09:08.51 | kirma | this is off-topic question, but still: what is application security (or "capability") model used on Maemo? Is there sandboxing of applications? as far as I can Google about it, it seems that Nokia trusts quite a bit on users not finding, or installing applications from random or untrustable sources... |
| 09:08.58 | kirma | err, not off-topic on this channel. |
| 09:09.09 | kirma | on security-inconscious end user market, that might be a recipe for trouble |
| 09:09.21 | kirma | even some sort of authority/community certificate model for trust categories would be ok. |
| 09:09.26 | kirma | I'm obviously thinking of Fremantle, that's going to appear on truly mass market oriented devices, that is, phones. |
| 09:10.59 | adeus | I'm guessing they will only allow installations from trusted apt sources |
| 09:11.32 | pupnik | installing non-nokia software brings up a prominent warning |
| 09:11.41 | Myrtti | kirma: "authority/community certificate model" already it's uncouraged to use other repositories than the nokia ones |
| 09:11.51 | kirma | ok |
| 09:11.58 | pupnik | oh fremantle |
| 09:12.07 | pupnik | dunno that |
| 09:12.21 | VDVsx | probably, however you can install things with red pill mode also, I guess |
| 09:12.26 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: warning is still there, in a slightly more annoying form |
| 09:12.47 | kirma | just looking at these to-be-announced-next-week things and thinking that even with its weaknesses, S60v3 capability model as policy enforcement has its positive sides, and wouldn't be that impossible to implement for the paranoid |
| 09:13.04 | qwerty12_N810 | But I don't mind accepting it each, and every time if it means I can install whatever. |
| 09:13.26 | pupnik | same |
| 09:13.38 | kirma | I'd also want installations of marginal hobbyist software not to be unbearably hard, I mean, not practical for truly nontechnical end users |
| 09:13.40 | pupnik | they need the legal fig leaf |
| 09:14.08 | kirma | just something that warns them of the issues blind trust on unverified sources can cause |
| 09:15.16 | kirma | wouldn't really care so much about it all unless N900 would seem like a reasonably viable replacement for E90, even if the keyboard is cramped |
| 09:15.30 | kirma | getting a bit of gadget fever once again. |
| 09:15.46 | X-Fade | kirma: Join the club ;) |
| 09:16.27 | adeus | that god maemo doesn't have the capability model, just struggling with it :) |
| 09:16.57 | kirma | I were surprised that dimensions mentioned around put it actually below the communicator in cubic volume, and only slight bit wider |
| 09:17.27 | adeus | *thank |
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| 09:18.18 | kirma | adeus: by capability model I mean one where user could tick on and off reasonably understandable subsystems for each application, or select if specific operations can be performed freely, queried once, every time or rejected |
| 09:18.33 | pupnik | somebody make a drop-in omap3430 board for n810 :) |
| 09:19.05 | kirma | not a great fan of stuff like location data being not available to applications without certification on early S60v3 devices even if the user would want that, though. |
| 09:20.25 | pupnik | does n900 support priveleged stuff for locking software? |
| 09:20.36 | X-Fade | kirma: Well if in S60 an app requests all capabilities, every user just clicks OK anyway ;) |
| 09:21.04 | kirma | of course, that may be the situation. |
| 09:22.39 | kirma | "the application is trying to do X. [Allow this time] [Allow always in future] [Disallow this time] [Disallow always in future]" or something as default setting |
| 09:23.07 | Proteous_ | [Disallow for the next two times but then only every other time after that] |
| 09:23.09 | kirma | of course, that would result vista-style moronity where users would click "allow always" on anything that pops up. but at least the mechanism would be there. |
| 09:23.43 | Jaffa | AFAICT from the HAM sources, adding any arbitrary additional repository is still allowed. But obviously, as a community, we're putting in place some QA checks for Extras |
| 09:23.54 | Jaffa | (crowdsourcing via the extras-testing repository) |
| 09:27.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Out of curiosity, if a person had never opened the Application Manager, enabled rd-mode to get root, and installed a package, using apt-get, which killed their device, would the Nokia warning still hold true? |
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| 09:32.49 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, hw kill ? :P |
| 09:33.32 | qwerty12_N810 | I guess... it's probably not hard to cook up a few ways to do so... |
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| 09:33.48 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: I don't think the warning is legally useful anyway. Why would someone have legal recourse to Nokia when they did something themselves to their own device? |
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| 09:35.08 | VDVsx | very unlikely, I'm only seeing some possibilities for the hard drivers/memory cards |
| 09:35.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: Indeed, I can't imagine someone taking action against Nokia but, all the same, that warning is there for Nokia to cover themselves in case of the possibility |
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| 09:39.41 | kirma | there's maybe a chance to drive overvoltage to the memory card slot, or cause permanent LCD polarisation issues on the screen, if one really gets in to the kernel level |
| 09:39.55 | kirma | but otherwise, it's hard to even imagine ways to cook up modern hardware |
| 09:40.14 | kirma | I don't even know if either of those are practically possible nowadays though |
| 09:41.25 | kirma | I'm not so much concerned about hardware damage though, but privacy breaches, loss of data, extra network expenses and loss of base software functionality |
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| 09:42.41 | Stskeeps | kirma: on the other hand, isn't it the same with a netbook these days? |
| 09:42.54 | Stskeeps | or any 3g networked PC |
| 09:43.30 | brbrbr | "3g networked" ? its meant 10 Gbps NIC ? |
| 09:43.38 | brbrbr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:43.41 | kirma | yes. but security expectations built by S60v3 capability model might be more intuitively expected from a phone form factor device you can use as phone... |
| 09:44.14 | Stskeeps | kirma: computer with phone capability? ;p |
| 09:44.38 | VDVsx | danielwilms, ping |
| 09:44.41 | kirma | I haven't heard of a single virus, or even mentionable trojan on S60v3 platform, all of it has been antivirus company hype. then again, the model itself has stagnated application development. |
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| 09:46.55 | Stskeeps | kirma: it's a difficult challenge for sure |
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| 09:47.41 | kirma | I'm just afraid that nokia puts itself in a vulnerable position, not legally, but regarding user perception... vulnerable, if someone really wants to exploit the weaknesses in the more relaxed capability model. but then again, that may well be countered by eased development and deployment of truly useful applications. |
| 09:48.11 | Stskeeps | kirma: on the other hand it requires a rouge app to begin with |
| 09:49.12 | brbrbr | so, "in short", Nokia was predictibly beat Apple in both senses and truly deserve that. right ? |
| 09:50.38 | eichi_ | which app do you use for shopping-lists? |
| 09:53.06 | Stskeeps | kirma: so what would you suggest would be useful? postinst run as non-root? :P |
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| 10:01.53 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Were there any errors visible when you promoted bluemaemo 0.3-7 ? |
| 10:02.08 | VDVsx | X-Fade, nop |
| 10:02.30 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Hmm ok, need to debug it more then. |
| 10:02.32 | VDVsx | what kind of errors ? |
| 10:02.49 | X-Fade | VDVsx: php errors visible or something like that. |
| 10:02.58 | VDVsx | nop |
| 10:04.18 | VDVsx | X-Fade, I only had a issue with one of the packages that I sent, the builder complains about the lack of the tar.gz, after a couple of hours:) |
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| 10:06.26 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Used dput? |
| 10:07.04 | VDVsx | X-Fade, nop, webpage |
| 10:07.22 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Same package, multiple times? |
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| 10:10.02 | VDVsx | X-Fade, I sent it only once, a lower version was sent earlier. After the rejection, I sent it again and it built fine and fast, probably something was lost during the upload |
| 10:15.35 | danielwilms | VDVsx had lunch |
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| 10:17.22 | VDVsx | danielwilms, about your submission for the Maemo summit, you have 'everyone' on the intended audience |
| 10:17.40 | VDVsx | it will be also suitable for users, or you will only target dev's |
| 10:18.11 | X-Fade | Hmm I still need to add a proposal for a talk too. Crazy times... |
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| 10:19.31 | crashanddie | when's the summit? |
| 10:19.34 | crashanddie | still in dam? |
| 10:19.40 | VDVsx | X-Fade, how to *not* kill the builder |
| 10:19.58 | VDVsx | crashanddie, yes, 9-11 Oct |
| 10:20.13 | X-Fade | VDVsx: How to publish your software or something like that. |
| 10:20.16 | danielwilms | VDVsx it should be like a maemo-introduction...starting with some intro and then presenting the developer tools...so mostly interesting for developers, but could be interesting for users too |
| 10:21.59 | crashanddie | danielwilms: don't assume |
| 10:22.37 | crashanddie | danielwilms: it could also be interesting to koala bears, however, you don't put them in the intended audience. Be conservative, works a lot better than having a room full of people and half of them leaving because they're bored |
| 10:28.23 | danielwilms | crashanddie: but the topic is quite clear, easy to see that it's mostly for more unexperienced developers who want to get an overview of the tools |
| 10:29.30 | VDVsx | so it's a developers topic, not a topic for everyone, I guess :) |
| 10:30.01 | danielwilms | :) yep...let me correct that :) |
| 10:30.07 | crashanddie | danielwilms: take it from someone who does presentation for a living, you don't want to attract an audience that "may" be interested :) |
| 10:31.23 | pupnik | heh |
| 10:31.46 | danielwilms | crashanddie: :) hehe...you are right with that...I will change it ;) |
| 10:32.13 | VDVsx | crashanddie, totally agree with you :) |
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| 10:39.59 | danielwilms | VDVsx changed it...and it would take 10-12 min each tool + intro and end, if the time is there |
| 10:40.39 | VDVsx | danielwilms, ok, thanks :) |
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| 10:51.17 | pupnik | tablets are so awesome i half expect them to recharge in the sun from the tft display |
| 10:51.44 | jophish | they do get mighty hot |
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| 11:06.06 | Khertan_n810 | Hello everybody ! |
| 11:06.55 | jophish | hi! |
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| 11:07.03 | lardman|home | morning |
| 11:07.21 | Khertan_n810 | morning lardman |
| 11:08.03 | lardman|home | hi Khertan_n810 |
| 11:08.16 | Khertan_n810 | what do you think of this : http://lh5.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpORMclIsuI/AAAAAAAAAnk/waWF-9vH96Y/S320/mOrganize+3+25-08 |
| 11:08.39 | lardman|home | very small and in French :) |
| 11:08.43 | Khertan_n810 | this is a screenshot of the current mOrganize developpment version :) |
| 11:08.52 | lardman|home | ah right |
| 11:09.04 | Khertan_n810 | of course as it s depends on the local string |
| 11:09.12 | lardman|home | I know, was only joking |
| 11:09.24 | lardman|home | though the text on the buttons is still in English |
| 11:09.24 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
| 11:09.58 | Khertan_n810 | yep ... the button will not stay like there are now |
| 11:10.00 | lardman|home | I've not really found an organiser I like on Maemo, but haven't looked for a year or so, so I'll have to take a look at this |
| 11:10.07 | Khertan_n810 | it ll be icon |
| 11:10.31 | Khertan_n810 | this is not yet finished |
| 11:10.33 | Khertan_n810 | and so not yet avaiklabgle |
| 11:10.49 | Khertan_n810 | but now it s really work well |
| 11:10.50 | lardman|home | ok, no rush, I've lived without this long :) |
| 11:11.12 | Khertan_n810 | just need to finish ui |
| 11:11.21 | Khertan_n810 | and the sync framework |
| 11:11.40 | lardman|home | cool |
| 11:11.46 | Khertan_n810 | the db framework is ready ... |
| 11:12.26 | Khertan_n810 | and doesn t use anymore a proprietary db :) |
| 11:12.47 | Khertan_n810 | now it s pure icalendar file :) |
| 11:13.44 | Khertan_n810 | yep i ve got the same mind than a blogger on maemo planet |
| 11:14.17 | Khertan_n810 | about proprietary db |
| 11:14.39 | lardman|home | what was the db then? |
| 11:15.13 | Khertan_n810 | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpORI08qLpI/AAAAAAAAAng/Tcpf0rZV6Xw/S320/mOrganize+2+25-08 |
| 11:15.40 | Khertan_n810 | there is no db, only parsing an .ics file |
| 11:15.51 | lardman|home | no I meant before |
| 11:16.08 | Khertan_n810 | an sqlite home made :) |
| 11:18.04 | Khertan_n810 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpOLZgqAO6I/AAAAAAAAAnE/BmWGWl0KzyE/S320/mOrganize+1+25-08 |
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| 11:22.13 | Khertan_n810 | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_s8TET2AXZOA/SpPJLZhBpJI/AAAAAAAAAoE/VkAn18XLh-E/S320/mOrganize+6+25-08 |
| 11:22.41 | Khertan_n810 | note can be text or draw :) |
| 11:24.24 | Khertan_n810 | i was just a bitg disapointed when i see the leaked screenshot of the rx-51 with the calendar ... |
| 11:24.26 | Khertan_n810 | as i think is there any interest to finish mOrganize |
| 11:24.46 | Khertan_n810 | as there will are a calendar in Maemo 5 |
| 11:25.13 | lardman|home | well being able to embed drawings is pretty cool |
| 11:26.25 | Khertan_n810 | when the first release will be ready, i ll implement also the camera picture feature too |
| 11:26.28 | Khertan_n810 | like in mnotes |
| 11:27.15 | RST38h | moo all |
| 11:27.29 | RST38h | any news? =) |
| 11:27.40 | Khertan_n810 | as i mainly use the camera to take picture of hand notes i write on paper |
| 11:28.23 | lardman|home | then OCR into ascii? |
| 11:28.25 | lardman|home | :) |
| 11:28.30 | lardman|home | hi RST38h |
| 11:28.38 | Khertan_n810 | about what the n900 |
| 11:28.40 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 11:28.59 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 11:29.02 | RST38h | of course |
| 11:29.04 | lardman|home | no, your taking pictures of notes; not OCR of course |
| 11:29.29 | Khertan_n810 | yep after i use BrainOcR to convert to ascii |
| 11:29.30 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 11:29.30 | RST38h | Khertan: if lcuk hears you, he will chastise you immediately, as you should be using liqbase :) |
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| 11:30.00 | Khertan_n810 | yep maybe |
| 11:30.21 | Khertan_n810 | but as i said to lcuk ... there is no python binding yet :) |
| 11:30.38 | pupnik | brainocr os foss? |
| 11:30.40 | pupnik | is |
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| 11:31.47 | Khertan_at_offic | yep it s opensourced ... but BrainOcR source code isn't easy to understand |
| 11:31.48 | Khertan_at_offic | :) |
| 11:32.03 | Khertan_at_offic | it s implemented in every brain ... |
| 11:32.06 | pupnik | BRAINOCR.ARJ (Brainmaker) PCX reader. ? |
| 11:32.17 | Khertan_at_offic | work with many language ... depends on user :) |
| 11:33.11 | Khertan_at_offic | oh my god there is really a product nammed brainocr |
| 11:33.13 | Khertan_at_offic | lol |
| 11:33.22 | pupnik | can you take snapshot of your brainocr playground? |
| 11:33.30 | pupnik | oh |
| 11:34.02 | Khertan_at_offic | i was talking of this implementation : http://www.medem.com/medem/images/ama/ama_brain_stroke_lev20_thebraineffectsstroke_01.gif |
| 11:34.09 | pupnik | do not send webcam pic of forehead :) |
| 11:34.14 | pupnik | now i get it |
| 11:34.20 | Khertan_at_offic | lol |
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| 11:40.13 | Khertan_at_offic | still no news about Sponsorship for the summit ? |
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| 11:46.23 | RST38h | did not apply for sponsorship, at least yet |
| 11:46.29 | RST38h | Will probably have to |
| 11:48.01 | Khertan_at_offic | i ve apply ... |
| 11:50.19 | RST38h | http://conversations.nokia.com/2008/06/20/product-leaks-just-lead-to-trouble-headaches-for-all/ |
| 11:50.42 | RST38h | (the guy is obviously a Nokian) |
| 11:50.42 | VDVsx | no way... :P |
| 11:51.28 | VDVsx | quoting the same website: "the Nokia N770 was launched at the Linux World Summit (2005), " |
| 11:51.40 | VDVsx | hehe |
| 11:54.00 | RST38h | BTW, what is this whole Conversations site? Some kind of corporate blog? |
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| 11:54.58 | mgedmin | I remember a blog post by one ex-Nokian that was basically Internet is bad because everything is free, mobile networking is good because everybody has to pay for everything, the future belongs to the mobile |
| 11:55.37 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://conversations.nokia.com/pause-for-station-identification/ ;) |
| 11:55.54 | crashanddie | VDVsx: shame a Nokian can't give the correct product name... It's Nokia 770, not N770 |
| 11:55.54 | X-Fade | VDVsx: I will be playing with bluemaemo promotion a bit, don't worry when things look a bit weird in packages ;) |
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| 11:56.42 | VDVsx | crashanddie, yeah, already leave a comment there |
| 11:57.19 | VDVsx | X-Fade, np :) |
| 11:57.26 | RST38h | mgedmin: Well, from a certain perspective he was right |
| 11:57.29 | kirma | nokia, like any company in the business, has unintended leaks and intended leaks. most of the time, they're supposed to be hard to tell from each other, although company attitude towards them is competely different. |
| 11:58.03 | mgedmin | from a certain perspective anything can be made to look right |
| 11:58.07 | RST38h | mgedmin: except that mobile service companies seem to get ridiculous about their non-free nowadays |
| 11:58.38 | RST38h | mgedmin: i.e. they are basically destroying their own markets |
| 11:58.43 | kirma | and in the case of nokia in helsinki capital area, for instance, there are public secrets, that anyone on the field and community can eventually work out in their mind based on small tidbits, but nobody cares to elaborate in detail to rest of the world. |
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| 11:59.46 | RST38h | mgedmin: recent example: cosmote.gr: half-broken website, no info whatsoever, 30 minutes on hold, then 20 minutes for them to figure out I do not have GPRS enabled on the account |
| 11:59.46 | kirma | explaining public secrets may be not the wisest thing for the career... |
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| 11:59.48 | RST38h | mgedmin: after that, they ask me to wait for 3 days, and pay euro10/MB |
| 11:59.50 | kirma | future career, even. |
| 12:00.13 | RST38h | mgedmin: I mean, with "service" like that, do they really expect anyone to use it? |
| 12:00.23 | mgedmin | I'm sure they do |
| 12:00.29 | mgedmin | and I'm sure people use services like that |
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| 12:00.37 | mgedmin | because it's hard to find good alternatives |
| 12:00.38 | RST38h | mgedmin: Why? |
| 12:00.38 | mgedmin | :( |
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| 12:01.11 | mgedmin | look at the US market: people pay twice as much as in europe, and get crappier service -- yet there isn't a general uprising against their mobile operators |
| 12:01.12 | RST38h | mgedmin: Well, even vodafone.gr enables gprs immediately and does offer you some crude 30MB/mo for e3.50 option |
| 12:01.53 | RST38h | mgedmin: Notice though that once Apple wrestled unlimited data option from AT&T, the market just exploded |
| 12:02.05 | RST38h | mgedmin: I.e. the demand is definitely there |
| 12:02.14 | kirma | the fun part is how FCC doesn't do much even when operators have almost total control of devices, force people to long-term, expensive contracts, and limit the applications that can be used in networks... |
| 12:02.45 | RST38h | mgedmin: What I do not understand is why they can't just implement a nobrainer option like MTS.RU has |
| 12:03.28 | kirma | ... and reason that this is necessary for the level of service. at the same time, most of europeans use whatever devices they want on whatever network they want, running almost any application they want on them, as long as they have money to pay for the reasonably short-change contracts. |
| 12:03.48 | pupnik | 2years is common |
| 12:04.23 | pupnik | but stores have umts/hsdpa orepaid data cards |
| 12:04.24 | RST38h | mgedmin: You pay $1/month + $0.12/MB of data which comes down to something like $10-$20/month for most people |
| 12:04.59 | RST38h | mgedmin: It is enabled by default, too |
| 12:05.08 | kirma | like my professor used to say in lectures, and especially on sauna evenings, probably over decade ago, though: "... there in the telecommunications banana republic, you know, the united states..." |
| 12:08.04 | Khertan_at_offic | And i m ... <RST38h> mgedmin: I mean, with "service" like that, do they really expect anyone to use it? <<< they didn't expect that anyone use it, just people to pay it. |
| 12:09.09 | RST38h | So is it basically set up to trick unsuspecting first time users into being charged $$$? |
| 12:14.06 | RST38h | Oh well, back to vacation |
| 12:14.31 | pupnik | :) |
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| 12:26.35 | GAN800 | Conversations nuked MicroB |
| 12:27.06 | GAN800 | Talk about bloat. |
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| 12:27.17 | GAN800 | shudders at capability security. |
| 12:27.34 | pupnik | pls speak noob thx |
| 12:28.08 | pupnik | conversations are what? |
| 12:28.18 | GAN800 | pupnik, that Nokia blog. |
| 12:29.16 | pupnik | from that 70s show |
| 12:29.17 | kirma | gan800: in what sense? :) |
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| 12:30.07 | GAN800 | kirma, in the sense that what makes Maemo Maemo is its desktop-PC level of openness. |
| 12:30.26 | kirma | I understand that |
| 12:30.42 | GAN800 | I've seen exactly how pleasant the Symbian model is and don't want it anywhere near Maemo. |
| 12:31.05 | kirma | I'm not for closed ecosystem... I'm all for ability to support fine-grained permissions. |
| 12:31.27 | kirma | as a option that *could* be enabled by the paranoid, if nothing else. |
| 12:31.32 | pupnik | can a commercial app get some help with drm+enc? |
| 12:32.58 | kirma | that is what antivirus does to great extent on modern windows desktops (or vista does for itself). |
| 12:33.02 | GAN800 | wonders if Chad will call back today. |
| 12:33.21 | GAN800 | I've also seen how well that works. |
| 12:33.38 | pupnik | just saying i think some apps could become commercially feasible - apps that foss doesnt do well |
| 12:33.41 | kirma | well, yes. there's no antidote for user stupidity :) |
| 12:33.57 | GAN800 | A Little Snitch-style application might be interesting. |
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| 12:34.26 | GAN800 | pupnik, Jaffa was discussing a daemon of some kind. |
| 12:35.18 | pupnik | on the other hand, maybe we'd be best off with that stuff faaaar away :) |
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| 12:35.51 | pupnik | "mission creep" and all that |
| 12:36.01 | kirma | if I want to just install a software package from, say, url reached by web browser, is it possible for an average joe (even if that involves dialogs explaining that you should know what you're doing)? |
| 12:36.23 | pupnik | it is in current maemo |
| 12:36.44 | GAN800 | Yes and no. |
| 12:36.59 | GAN800 | Application Manager no longer installs .debs. |
| 12:37.18 | GAN800 | But it could add a repository and install from there. |
| 12:37.58 | kirma | or is there a possibility to give the user a public key that would be used to verify credentials in some package and thus allow all future installs from that source easier? it would be more secure in my opinion than relying on message that morons start to ignore anyway if it pops on the screen all the time :) |
| 12:38.36 | kirma | I really haven't touched the tablets in ages, and probably never installed software without command line on them :I |
| 12:41.42 | kirma | but yeah yeah. the biggest "issue" in this is that I'm personally rather surprised by such trust-on-goodwill attitude adopted by nokia on future true mass market devices, instead of at least detecting what understandable capabilities each application tries to use. |
| 12:42.58 | kirma | the problem isn't I wouldn't like the openness, but that I fear the potential consequences when someone really gets nasty... |
| 12:43.02 | adeus | it's just one device compared to the hundreds of s60s, maybe the see how it goes |
| 12:43.09 | adeus | they |
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| 12:46.54 | pupnik | definitely should get some emus on it pronto |
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| 12:47.32 | pupnik | so the rich kids can show their iphone friends wnat gaming WITH buttons is like |
| 12:47.45 | pupnik | :) |
| 12:47.48 | pupnik | really |
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| 13:03.25 | rmrfchik | hi |
| 13:04.28 | rmrfchik | Just installed maemo-sdk on debian. There are no applications in application manager |
| 13:04.56 | rmrfchik | except Crash Reporter, maemo-c-debug-tools and maemopad |
| 13:05.05 | rmrfchik | and event those 3 can't be installed :( |
| 13:05.31 | rmrfchik | hildon-application-manager[11179]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x14d860, (null), (null), 1) |
| 13:06.41 | rmrfchik | any ideas? |
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| 13:08.54 | lardman|home | installed or run? |
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| 13:11.49 | lardman|home | ah, my mistake |
| 13:12.00 | lardman|home | rmrfchik: apt-get install? |
| 13:12.10 | lardman|home | and make sure you have some repos available |
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| 13:17.07 | rmrfchik | lardman|home: heh, I suppose, all repos are ok in sources.list |
| 13:17.30 | rmrfchik | it's fresh installation |
| 13:17.57 | rmrfchik | I have microb-engine installed, but can't run microb from within maemo |
| 13:21.51 | lardman|home | rmrfchik: There were some things you weren't able to run, not sure if that's one of them |
| 13:22.15 | lardman|home | mainly as some components were missing for the x86 target iirc |
| 13:22.51 | lcuk2 | its not a complete user level emulator, but a way to test code apis and libraries and installation |
| 13:23.03 | lcuk2 | of code you have written |
| 13:24.47 | rmrfchik | ok |
| 13:25.01 | rmrfchik | I downloaded fbreader sources and compiled them |
| 13:25.10 | rmrfchik | when I trying to run, I got: |
| 13:25.33 | rmrfchik | I installed a skylight in my apartment...The people who live above me are |
| 13:25.38 | rmrfchik | oops |
| 13:25.46 | lardman|home | hmm, random error message :D |
| 13:25.48 | rmrfchik | wrong pasting. wait a sec ;) |
| 13:25.57 | rmrfchik | process 11232: D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory |
| 13:26.04 | rmrfchik | here is it ;) |
| 13:26.20 | rmrfchik | should I generate uuid? |
| 13:26.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, just prefix the command with run-standalone.sh |
| 13:26.31 | lardman|home | no idea from me |
| 13:26.42 | lardman|home | ah, good one qwerty12_N810 |
| 13:27.00 | VDVsx | lardman|home, you finally left the front page of maemo.org, lol |
| 13:27.03 | rmrfchik | qwerty12_N810: the same thing |
| 13:27.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Have you done the "af-init-start.sh start"? |
| 13:27.34 | rmrfchik | yes |
| 13:27.42 | rmrfchik | I have maemo running in xephyr |
| 13:27.57 | lardman|home | VDVsx: oh, my lucky streak must have ended |
| 13:28.09 | lardman|home | VDVsx: or perhaps my karma has come back! :) |
| 13:28.09 | rmrfchik | and I'm trying to run FBreader from within the same console |
| 13:28.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Everytime I've had that message, running the program with run-standalone.sh has always made that message go away, without fail |
| 13:28.35 | rmrfchik | lucky you |
| 13:28.47 | qwerty12_N810 | But you may as well run dbus-uuidgen --ensure=/var/lib/dbus/machine-id if it isn't working |
| 13:28.51 | qwerty12_N810 | *shrug* |
| 13:28.56 | VDVsx | lardman|home, yeah, it was like a compensation for the missing karma;) |
| 13:28.57 | pupnik | my leftside menus disappeared - apps, contacts, etc |
| 13:29.07 | rmrfchik | is it oK: hildon-desktop[11164]: GLIB WARNING ** hildon-1 - Icon theme lookup for icon failed! |
| 13:29.15 | lardman|home | hmm, no my karma is not back yet |
| 13:29.21 | pupnik | can i run smth to restart that "start menu"?Ã |
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| 13:29.58 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: kill hildon-desktop? =) |
| 13:30.06 | VDVsx | lardman|home, none ? they said that only -dev is missing atm |
| 13:30.07 | pupnik | i need the maemo beginner track :) |
| 13:30.12 | rmrfchik | fbreader starts, open window and exits |
| 13:30.16 | Stskeeps | lardman|home: msg |
| 13:30.20 | pupnik | oki i try :) |
| 13:31.47 | lardman|home | Stskeeps: my client is playing up and not showing messages |
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| 13:32.01 | lardman|home | VDVsx: no, I have some, just not all |
| 13:32.16 | lardman|home | VDVsx: sounds about right then as most of my posts are to -developers |
| 13:34.00 | pupnik | that was bad. like seeing the light after death |
| 13:34.49 | lardman|home | bbiam, need to restart client |
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| 13:35.24 | lardman|home | re |
| 13:40.51 | lardman|home | Is there a wiki page of Summit Accommodation yet? I saw Quim's post to Talk, but just thinking about people choosing what type of accommodatioin they;d prefer, etc |
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| 13:45.01 | X-Fade | lardman|home: I'm googling a bit, but haven't found much yet. |
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| 13:46.32 | Jaffa | lardman|home: Not that I've seen |
| 13:46.48 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm going to try and use the accept/reject sponsorship page at some point today |
| 13:46.56 | lardman|home | Would it be worth starting one? As some people are wanting hostels, some single, some double rooms, etc |
| 13:49.09 | VDVsx | lardman|home, starting point: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation |
| 13:51.14 | Corsac | hmhm, do you people use the omap3-enabled qemu found at https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=877 ? |
| 13:52.33 | lardman|home | this is last year's: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2008/Accommodation |
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| 13:54.49 | lcuk2 | didnt we get to stay in the hilton last year |
| 13:55.05 | Corsac | to the Hildon |
| 13:55.17 | lcuk2 | and c-base very graciously supplied caviar and champers |
| 13:55.32 | Corsac | libchampain? |
| 13:56.05 | lcuk2 | lol |
| 13:56.48 | lcuk2 | jaffa, works? feedback? (in pm please) :D |
| 13:57.27 | lardman|home | My wiki editing isn't the best, so I'll probably manage a list, but a table might be better |
| 13:58.21 | lardman|home | e.g. Name/nick/date arriving/date leaving/type of accommodation/sponsored or not/type of room (single, double, shared)/etc.? |
| 13:59.00 | VDVsx | lardman|home, like the one created for the mozdev event |
| 13:59.11 | lardman|home | ah, I knew there was one somewhere |
| 13:59.12 | VDVsx | *mozmae |
| 13:59.16 | lardman|home | yep, sounds suitable |
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| 14:15.02 | lardman|home | ok I've added a very clunky table |
| 14:16.22 | lardman|home | if people think it's suitable, feel free to add/modify it |
| 14:17.32 | VDVsx | seems fine -> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation |
| 14:22.45 | keesj | looks good |
| 14:23.19 | lardman|home | I';ve added it to the Talk thread too |
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| 14:25.12 | Jaffa | Bah. I wish the SDK had Web Runtime already included. I want to play with some web mash-ups (Tube info etc.) |
| 14:26.20 | VDVsx | Jaffa, you can use WRT outside the sdk:) |
| 14:30.33 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Is there a Linux version of something for it? |
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| 14:32.12 | VDVsx | Jaffa, nop, you need a s60 emulator for testing propose, afaik, or a device that support wrt :( |
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| 14:41.00 | sjgadsby | Huh. I thought my karma was higher than 550. |
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| 14:47.56 | VDVsx | sjgadsby, it's around 1000 isn't it ? (ml issues probably) |
| 14:47.59 | Jaffa | sjgadsby: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3692 ? |
| 14:49.07 | Jaffa | sjgadsby: See final comments. Karma for mailing lists was destroyed, and it's taking a week or two to come back. Doing it atomically was, apparently, not possible. |
| 14:49.19 | VDVsx | humm, the profile thumbs up/down gone :) |
| 14:49.51 | sjgadsby | VDVsx, Jaffa: Actually, it looks as though all my karma from t.m.o disappeared. Probably because I never updated the URL from ITt. I'll do so now. |
| 14:50.59 | VDVsx | wow, in fact I thought I had less karma :P |
| 14:51.06 | VDVsx | sjgadsby, plus the ML issue |
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| 14:52.04 | Jaffa | sjgadsby: ITT URLs should still work. |
| 14:52.16 | Jaffa | and X-Fade did a bit of a tidy-up |
| 14:52.16 | lardman|home | yeah mine does still |
| 14:52.32 | Jaffa | 's too :-) |
| 14:53.07 | Jaffa | Anyone who was invalid had it unset. Any we could directly match on email address was auto-matched. Any outstanding will be getting an email if their tmo account makes them eligible to vote |
| 14:53.37 | VDVsx | wow, Quim reached the 3000 points |
| 14:54.33 | lardman|home | X-Fade: you should probably change the text in the profile pages from "itt thanks" to "Talk thanks" or similar |
| 14:55.06 | lardman|home | hmm, I've been a member since the 1st of Jan 1970 :) |
| 14:55.08 | X-Fade | lardman|home: Yes, although that is used in the code too so it is not that trivial. |
| 14:55.19 | lardman|home | ah fair enough, it makes enough sense as is |
| 14:59.00 | VDVsx | lardman|home, your fathers sign up for you before you born :) |
| 14:59.01 | X-Fade | Discussion imports will be finished today probably. Will recalc karma tomorrow morning. |
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| 15:04.48 | lardman|home | cheers X-Fade |
| 15:06.02 | lardman|home | hmm, I need a 4th monitor it would appear |
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| 15:07.22 | lcuk2 | o_O |
| 15:07.32 | lcuk2 | lardman|home, for home or for work |
| 15:08.09 | lardman|home | how, but I'm working from home |
| 15:08.15 | lardman|home | s/how/home |
| 15:08.46 | lcuk2 | so one monitor for code, one for results, one for irc and one for? |
| 15:09.37 | lardman|home | 2 for results, lots of images |
| 15:10.02 | lardman|home | plus it makes the room lighter |
| 15:10.05 | lardman|home | and warmer |
| 15:10.07 | lardman|home | :) |
| 15:10.24 | lcuk2 | yeah |
| 15:10.27 | lcuk2 | CRT suntan |
| 15:10.55 | lardman|home | LCD not, I don't have a desk that strong |
| 15:11.00 | lardman|home | s/not/now |
| 15:11.06 | lardman|home | I really can't type |
| 15:16.31 | X-Fade | Hmm I now notice that a lot of people send their python apps to the builder with i386 arch. |
| 15:16.58 | X-Fade | Shouldn't this be 'all'? |
| 15:17.28 | qwerty12_N810 | If it's all, then the armel builder has no need to build it |
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| 15:18.23 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Yeah any of the builders should be enough. |
| 15:19.45 | X-Fade | I guess I need to check the .dsc too when doing the log parsing. |
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| 15:21.28 | X-Fade | Because there is says: Architecture: all |
| 15:22.09 | VDVsx | X-Fade, some python apps can have C bindings or other stuff that need to be compiled, that's the case for bluemaemo |
| 15:23.22 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Sure, but those need to have a correct arch. |
| 15:27.01 | javispedro | I did submit a All package to the diablo autobuilder (opengfx) and it sent it to both i386 and armel |
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| 15:29.53 | VDVsx | javispedro, different repos, but the same package on both |
| 15:30.32 | javispedro | same "All" package on both, isn't that ok? |
| 15:32.04 | wazd | I have some extrordinary news that can collapse the Universe :) |
| 15:32.14 | javispedro | The N900 uses Windows CE? |
| 15:32.22 | VDVsx | javispedro, if it's python/script based, yes |
| 15:32.47 | wazd | Just listen: Eldar told that Microsoft is ready to write Office for Maemo |
| 15:32.53 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: don't be silly, everyone knows it's gonna use Android! :p |
| 15:32.56 | javispedro | VDVsx, if the exact same binary package does not work in all archs, then it should be "any" architecture instead of all. |
| 15:33.03 | javispedro | (AFAIK :P) |
| 15:33.32 | javispedro | wazd, lol :) |
| 15:33.34 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Eldar tells a lot these days :) |
| 15:33.37 | Corsac | yeah, arch:all means the same .deb can be used on all arches |
| 15:33.44 | Corsac | why arch:any means it needs a rebuild |
| 15:33.51 | VDVsx | yup |
| 15:33.56 | Corsac | (and arch: i386 means it'll only work on i386) |
| 15:34.08 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: yep, wrong pills I guess :) |
| 15:34.53 | javispedro | wazd, url? :) |
| 15:35.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Although, wasn't there something about Microsoft doing Silverlight for Maemo, or did that turn out to be BS? |
| 15:35.12 | wazd | javispedro: it's in his LJ |
| 15:35.18 | javispedro | k |
| 15:35.27 | wazd | javispedro: in n900 discussion |
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| 15:36.55 | javispedro | in russian, then? |
| 15:38.06 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 15:39.09 | brbrbr | im translate to english if anyone need it |
| 15:39.40 | javispedro | i think it's this one |
| 15:39.40 | javispedro | http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/470188.html?thread=13551276#t13551276 |
| 15:39.50 | javispedro | (check first answer) |
| 15:39.58 | brbrbr | on mobile-review.com |
| 15:41.04 | brbrbr | about possible availability of "office for linuz" ? :) |
| 15:41.24 | javispedro | automated translation: "and is Microsoft ready to rewrite office under linux huh?" eldar's answer: "ready" |
| 15:41.26 | brbrbr | &wondering about OS'es advacements :) |
| 15:41.54 | VDVsx | google translator is preaty good for RUS-> ENG |
| 15:41.57 | VDVsx | :) |
| 15:42.11 | javispedro | I was going to say the opposite ,but hey, translation is not my area ;P |
| 15:42.40 | VDVsx | can easily understand everthing, so far |
| 15:42.42 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm not sure, though, why MS would do a half-assed attempt on their own Windows Mobile but, yet, do a "proper" job for Linux. Of course, we may be seeing the same shit from WinMo on Linux... |
| 15:42.44 | brbrbr | no, there is just GUESSING about availability :) |
| 15:43.01 | brbrbr | and no "ready" is root post, not answer :) |
| 15:43.19 | javispedro | well, the "new Microsoft" did write a kmod recently. |
| 15:43.36 | javispedro | brbrbr, yes, sorry, check parent post of the URL I sent you |
| 15:43.47 | brbrbr | ok |
| 15:44.01 | qwerty12_N810 | That allows Linux to run faster in Win 7 using Virtual PC. Whoopie. |
| 15:44.05 | brbrbr | i see, sorry |
| 15:44.42 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, but I definitely see them writing gtk code allowing them "extend their .docx monopoly", in a few years of course. |
| 15:44.54 | brbrbr | Linux in Win ? dont get point of that :) |
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| 15:45.31 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: *nod* |
| 15:45.31 | brbrbr | btw win mobile itself is quite mobile, too |
| 15:45.51 | javispedro | well, maybe not gtk but qt/javascript/whatever, or maybe not .docx but .docx2 or .docxxx |
| 15:46.00 | javispedro | but you get the idea ;) |
| 15:46.24 | shiznebit | so N900 is 100% OSS |
| 15:46.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I don't think ".docxxx" would be a proposed format. The extension is longer than 3 characters. ;) |
| 15:46.43 | javispedro | shiznebit, for a start, it does not have free 3d drivers. |
| 15:46.44 | brbrbr | and desktop windeos too, btw, thats why Microsoft fire half on WM team and netbook book spik. to prevent ARM HAL birth for desktop OS, under shreholders pressure |
| 15:46.57 | shiznebit | well thats expected |
| 15:46.57 | brbrbr | windeos==windows, sry |
| 15:47.05 | shiznebit | PowerVR afterall |
| 15:47.06 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, well, .docx is 4 chars long already, causing all kinds of breackage in apps still in use by now ;) |
| 15:47.24 | terriblepython | .html? |
| 15:47.25 | javispedro | (ugly unmaintained apps, all has to be said) |
| 15:47.39 | terriblepython | .jpeg |
| 15:47.48 | javispedro | .htm & .jpg. I've seen full of them. |
| 15:48.31 | terriblepython | there are a couple 3+ char file-exts :) |
| 15:48.49 | qwerty12_N810 | I was being my usual self... |
| 15:48.53 | qwerty12_N810 | But.. :) |
| 15:48.58 | javispedro | yeah, and I hope the app I am talking about dies a silent death. |
| 15:50.17 | lcuk2 | commonly uses filenames with long extensions to annoy windows |
| 15:50.26 | lcuk2 | or sometimes even uses files without extension |
| 15:50.36 | shiznebit | i dont think the carriers are gonna be thrilled about a Phone with root and VOIP cabapility |
| 15:50.37 | qwerty12_N810 | Why? I thought you <3 Windows? :) |
| 15:50.57 | lcuk2 | i like the WM |
| 15:51.02 | lcuk2 | i dont like the os |
| 15:51.05 | shiznebit | i cant see how the N900 will be ever subsidized |
| 15:51.11 | lcuk2 | give me linux with XP WM ontop please :) |
| 15:51.34 | qwerty12_N810 | You're a coder - do it yourself :p |
| 15:51.45 | javispedro | shiznebit, well, a carrier rejecting a nokia phone... |
| 15:51.48 | lcuk2 | (and make sure it runs visual basic kthxbye |
| 15:52.05 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: afaict silverlight isn't bs, it's just vaporware |
| 15:52.22 | lcuk2 | moonlight is the linux implementation isnt it |
| 15:52.25 | lcuk2 | in assoc. with novel? |
| 15:52.26 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i'm pretty sure it's still in the cards, just thankfully not ready |
| 15:52.33 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: Ah... thanks |
| 15:52.37 | timeless_mbp | lcuk2: there's no guarantee it's the moonlight impl |
| 15:52.38 | javispedro | lcuk2, yeah, oss but totally useless (binary codecs) |
| 15:52.41 | timeless_mbp | i have no idea |
| 15:52.48 | timeless_mbp | but am glad not to be worrying about it for at least another day :) |
| 15:52.56 | timeless_mbp | hopefully many many more days :) |
| 15:53.06 | brbrbr | SL is PR-BS for existed things. like "clod computing" for distributed systesm, existed before Microsoft itself[google "GRID" ] |
| 15:53.11 | timeless_mbp | flash (and half a dozen other plugins) already give me more than enough headaches |
| 15:53.28 | lcuk2 | awww but timeless, you could get to run your cross ref tool using all the .net framework goodness |
| 15:53.31 | lcuk2 | throws up a little |
| 15:53.31 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: IE6 rocks |
| 15:53.34 | qwerty12_N810 | /s |
| 15:53.50 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, people should keep in mind that ms did port IE to Solaris and HPUX |
| 15:54.04 | qwerty12_N810 | (Before anyone thinks about beheading me ;)) |
| 15:54.05 | javispedro | with half of windows, if the rumours are to be believed. |
| 15:54.17 | timeless_mbp | lcuk2: actually, i could cross reference flash, but i was never able to cross reference opera |
| 15:54.24 | timeless_mbp | or rhapsody |
| 15:54.33 | timeless_mbp | it depends on whether we get binary drops or source drops and build ourselves |
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| 15:54.59 | timeless_mbp | anyway, given that ms was able to port com (and does do that today for OSX) |
| 15:55.25 | timeless_mbp | it's likely that ms could whenever it felt like it (w/in 18months) port another com based app (office, ie, ...) to another platform |
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| 15:55.39 | timeless_mbp | but whether ms would choose to do so, depends on what their business interests are |
| 15:56.32 | lcuk2 | i think at some point soon ms will have to bite the bullet :) |
| 15:56.41 | javispedro | well, they have what is by all means a "code army". So even if Office was full of x86-ism (they say it is) they could easily port it in a year. |
| 15:56.51 | lcuk2 | even if its not directly maemo, it may be android or one of the desktop oses |
| 15:56.54 | javispedro | s/code/coder/ |
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| 15:57.24 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 15:57.27 | lcuk2 | office isnt full of x86isms - its the windowsisms that are the kicker |
| 15:57.42 | timeless_mbp | yeah i'd be relatively shocked if office was full of x86isms |
| 15:57.48 | brbrbr | no, at some part is it. like kbd interface and etc |
| 15:57.50 | javispedro | lcuk2, there was some msdn blog post telling about how the excel 2007 bug was caused by bad x86 assembly code |
| 15:57.51 | timeless_mbp | for a while windows supported half a dozen or more os's |
| 15:58.00 | timeless_mbp | and alpha support lasted quite a while |
| 15:58.07 | brbrbr | but in few places. just shortcuts for speedup |
| 15:58.08 | timeless_mbp | alpha was nice in that it kept people honest |
| 15:58.10 | lcuk2 | javispedro, thats likely a tiny fraction of the majority |
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| 15:58.16 | lcuk2 | and the rest depends on windows api |
| 15:58.51 | javispedro | timeless_mbp, was office ported? |
| 15:58.51 | timeless_mbp | to alpha? |
| 15:58.51 | javispedro | or something non x86. |
| 15:58.59 | lcuk2 | dunno, look - it was at least on mac |
| 15:59.02 | javispedro | windows was, for sure. |
| 15:59.06 | timeless_mbp | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168331 |
| 15:59.08 | lcuk2 | before x86 |
| 15:59.10 | timeless_mbp | OFF97: Office for Alpha Chip Error Vba332.DLL Could Not Be Found |
| 15:59.19 | timeless_mbp | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/168351 |
| 15:59.22 | timeless_mbp | WD97: Word for Alpha Crashes Converting Some WP Graphics |
| 15:59.28 | javispedro | Ok, I get the hint ;) |
| 15:59.53 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: well, i don't know how much Office code if any is shared between OS X and Win32 |
| 16:00.28 | javispedro | lol |
| 16:00.28 | mandara | is there a maemo fremantle virtual image somewhere? |
| 16:00.28 | javispedro | timeless_mbp, those kb articles make reference to the FX!32 |
| 16:00.28 | javispedro | fwiw, that is a x86 emulator!! |
| 16:00.28 | brbrbr | remember MIPS WInNT ports :) |
| 16:00.28 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 16:00.31 | timeless_mbp | brbrbr: i do too |
| 16:00.42 | brbrbr | :) |
| 16:01.15 | brbrbr | and NEC and Acer Workstations :-) |
| 16:01.24 | timeless_mbp | http://reviews.cnet.com/office-suites/intl-office-prem-2000/1707-3524_7-5602200.html |
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| 16:01.33 | timeless_mbp | Upgrade from Microsoft Word for Alpha Systems v. 2.6 |
| 16:01.40 | timeless_mbp | it clearly was a product |
| 16:02.16 | javispedro | yep, parts of it using a x86 emulator, probably compatibilty with x86 office addons or something |
| 16:02.43 | timeless_mbp | most likely they just didn't port the converter/importer |
| 16:03.20 | timeless_mbp | but anyway, that was 1998 or so, so it was maintained for at least a bit |
| 16:03.29 | brbrbr | for particular format. or dont' finish it yet |
| 16:03.45 | javispedro | office 97 wasn't ported, I am reading a forum post about someone using the FX!32 to launch the x86 installer |
| 16:04.05 | timeless_mbp | well, 2.6 clearly was :) |
| 16:04.27 | javispedro | but there are clear references to "native Office for Alpha" between 97 and 2000 |
| 16:04.36 | javispedro | so I guess there was indeed a Office 2000 release |
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| 16:06.45 | Luke-Jr | wonders why most programs can't be staticly compiled from one bytecode language to another |
| 16:06.57 | Luke-Jr | other than the obvious thunking, I mean |
| 16:07.11 | javispedro | you mean, like Java ;) ? |
| 16:07.15 | Luke-Jr | could probably have a libthunk_x86_32.so or such with the replacement syscalls |
| 16:07.23 | Luke-Jr | javispedro: Java bc -> native is possible |
| 16:07.30 | javispedro | it's called AoT |
| 16:07.30 | Luke-Jr | but why not, for example, x86 bc -> native |
| 16:07.52 | javispedro | cause Java bytecode is designed for portability, and not for easy of hw implementation/legacy issues |
| 16:07.52 | Luke-Jr | actually it's called GCJ |
| 16:08.16 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Silverlight for Maemo comes from an older Nokia press release |
| 16:08.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right, not MS, thanks |
| 16:09.02 | qwerty12_N810 | (the press release) |
| 16:09.27 | javispedro | "Nokia will also make Silverlight available on its Series 40 devices and its Internet Tablet devices, the companies are expected to announce Tuesday." |
| 16:09.37 | javispedro | did something happen on that tuesday? |
| 16:10.07 | timeless_mbp | it was announced |
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| 16:10.20 | divide_by_zero | hi. any SDK+ "experts" around? |
| 16:10.33 | javispedro | so then it's vaporware :) |
| 16:10.49 | divide_by_zero | I'm trying the manual's first test, but I get the mysterious error: fakeroot: preload library not found, aborting. |
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| 16:14.21 | javispedro | divide_by_zero, other than reinstalling, I dunno. Google shows lots of hits. |
| 16:17.14 | divide_by_zero | javispedro: some of the hits are my message in the maemo.org forum :] |
| 16:17.51 | javispedro | then you have 1179 other hits to look at ;) |
| 16:18.57 | javispedro | either way, I remember sb2 came with its own fakeroot, sb2 -R iirc. |
| 16:20.48 | divide_by_zero | yeah, I tried the -R too... |
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| 16:21.13 | divide_by_zero | same message comes up... |
| 16:21.32 | divide_by_zero | but then there is the more informative ERROR: ld.so: object 'libfakeroot-sysv.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 16:21.45 | divide_by_zero | maybe I can link some file?... |
| 16:22.09 | javispedro | you are using amd64 or ia32? |
| 16:24.42 | divide_by_zero | hmmm that is a very good question. I am inside a ia32 chroot in an AMD64 box... :] |
| 16:25.04 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 16:25.37 | Jaffa | Proper press-release is: http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1197788 |
| 16:25.54 | Jaffa | javispedro: ^ |
| 16:26.09 | slonopotamus | divide_by_zero, total failure :) |
| 16:26.13 | javispedro | "Microsoft Silverlight availability for Nokia Series 40 devices and Nokia Internet tablets will be confirmed later." heh. |
| 16:26.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Was S40 even possible? |
| 16:27.24 | slonopotamus | javispedro, someone finally managed to compile moonlight for arm? :) |
| 16:28.08 | javispedro | there is mono for arm afaik, but moonlight is useless. |
| 16:28.13 | javispedro | the codecs are binary, for a start. |
| 16:29.08 | javispedro | also, "later" = "a year and still waiting for the announcement". |
| 16:32.45 | divide_by_zero | the only thing that ever made me consider using silverlight to date is photosynth |
| 16:35.42 | VDVsx | bahh, Eldar's todays leak was canceled -> http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/3535935840 :P |
| 16:39.47 | javispedro | btw |
| 16:39.55 | javispedro | microsoft is nearer to write gtk code than I though |
| 16:40.12 | Jaffa | javispedro: Oh? |
| 16:40.16 | javispedro | the moonlight codecs pack (part microsoft code) already links with glib. |
| 16:40.22 | VDVsx | o_0 |
| 16:41.01 | javispedro | (this is continuing the discussion we were having here minutes ago) |
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| 16:41.37 | VDVsx | nah, they will switch to Qt :) |
| 16:41.44 | VDVsx | next office version will be made with Qt :P |
| 16:42.45 | javispedro | hehe |
| 16:44.02 | VDVsx | will be a good move, they could sell it for win, mac, linux and use some of the code for S60 and maemo ;) |
| 16:45.42 | javispedro | would pay for that MS file with #include <glib.h> at the top ;) |
| 16:46.07 | javispedro | would be cool to see :) |
| 16:46.36 | javispedro | "funny" would be a better word actually. |
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| 16:49.38 | VDVsx | javispedro, , how much ? :P |
| 16:50.50 | javispedro | nil, of course :D |
| 16:51.31 | VDVsx | bahh, http://pastebin.com/m122debc0 ;) |
| 16:51.46 | VDVsx | hiihih |
| 16:52.36 | javispedro | hehe :P even my untrained eyes can tell that is a copy :) |
| 16:52.43 | javispedro | cheap copy. |
| 16:54.00 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 16:55.39 | GAN800 | lardman|home, Samsung 2343bwx. |
| 17:00.42 | lardman|home | GAN800: ? |
| 17:01.15 | lardman|home | ah, a screen I should buy :) |
| 17:01.34 | lardman|home | seems pretty dear to me though |
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| 17:15.35 | mgedmin | hey! I just upgraded openssh on my tablet and now I can't log in using my public key |
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| 17:17.13 | VDVsx | mgedmin, I've also problems with the last version :( |
| 17:18.55 | mgedmin | grr! apt-cache policy is useless for distinguishing extras from extras-devel (and from the SDK repo) |
| 17:19.08 | VDVsx | mgedmin, http://n2.nabble.com/ssh-permission-denied-td3499742.html#a3499742 |
| 17:20.00 | mgedmin | thanks! |
| 17:20.08 | VDVsx | maybe the same problem |
| 17:20.14 | mgedmin | most likely |
| 17:20.51 | mgedmin | VDVsx: I owe you a beer |
| 17:21.09 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 17:29.14 | javispedro | lo, I had that ssh problem too, I think i patched the ssh source instead :P |
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| 17:32.24 | javispedro | okey, gonna send something to the autobuilder. hope it works _perfectly fine_ or I'm gonna sue you all ;) |
| 17:33.55 | X-Fade | lol |
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| 17:36.16 | Gadgetoid | Woo! |
| 17:36.25 | Stskeeps | yay court |
| 17:36.38 | Gadgetoid | The out of the box N810 experience is better than I remember |
| 17:36.52 | Gadgetoid | Only took 20 attempts to pair with my wireless keyboard! |
| 17:37.32 | mgedmin | is it safe to rm things under ~/.modest/cache ? |
| 17:38.42 | javispedro | damn the diablo queue has 3 packages, it'll be a while before I can call my lawyer :( |
| 17:38.42 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Fremantle Transmission build needs killing, please (and I have no idea why :)) |
| 17:39.03 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, see you in court ;) |
| 17:39.11 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Currently running? |
| 17:39.15 | qwerty12_N810 | packs his bags |
| 17:39.18 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: yessir |
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| 17:40.05 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It is just building slowly because the builder is building a few large packages, I think. |
| 17:40.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, OK, thanks... |
| 17:40.33 | qwerty12_N810 | I thought I fucked up again |
| 17:40.41 | X-Fade | pyside and json-glib are building too. And pyside is quite large. |
| 17:40.48 | javispedro | pyside!! |
| 17:40.54 | Stskeeps | yay pyside |
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| 17:42.06 | X-Fade | Ah only a load of 7.5 on the builder ;) |
| 17:42.22 | javispedro | envisions a Beowulf cluster of wsod'd n770 building packages. |
| 17:42.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Think Transmission uses -j4... |
| 17:42.32 | crashanddie | X-Fade: I can arrange that for you if you want me to |
| 17:42.53 | crashanddie | javispedro: 770, there's no such thing as a n770 |
| 17:42.59 | javispedro | touché. |
| 17:43.27 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: -j4 is the default setting. |
| 17:43.45 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep, and the rules files takes advantage of it ;) |
| 17:43.49 | qwerty12_N810 | *file |
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| 17:45.36 | mgedmin | upgrades to fennec beta 3 |
| 17:48.12 | mgedmin | still crap |
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| 17:50.55 | mgedmin | not as bad as it used to be |
| 17:50.57 | mgedmin | maybe |
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| 17:57.54 | VDVsx | mgedmin, slow ? or other complains :P |
| 17:58.16 | mgedmin | not pleasant to use |
| 17:58.25 | mgedmin | mostly because it's not as responsive as I'd like |
| 17:59.01 | mgedmin | raises the urge to throw my n810 against a wall |
| 18:00.09 | VDVsx | mgedmin, don't forget that you are using a *old* device :) |
| 18:00.11 | mgedmin | things like you try to scroll down while zoomed in to a comfortable reading size, and it suddenly decides you're scrolling to a side, hides all the text, replaces it with a checkerboard pattern, shows controls on the right side |
| 18:00.36 | mgedmin | then immediately hides controls on the right side, shows the location bar on top, then hides the location bar on top, then replaces the checkerboard with a zoomed-out full-page view |
| 18:00.46 | VDVsx | ehehhe |
| 18:00.46 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: what's on your feature todo list for maemo.org/packages? |
| 18:00.48 | mgedmin | there ain't a device made that's new enough for fennec |
| 18:01.36 | mgedmin | I can see how the UI could be very pleasant to use, if only it were responsive enough |
| 18:01.49 | Luke-Jr | need to use Konqueror and KDE 4.3 |
| 18:02.44 | terriblepython | is there a way to run a python script that uses a depricated module (rlcompleter)? |
| 18:03.31 | mgedmin | in what sense is it deprecated? |
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| 18:05.07 | terriblepython | it says its depricated, and the script doesnt run, so I'm guessing it is not in maemo python2.5 |
| 18:05.19 | terriblepython | "module not found " etc. |
| 18:06.09 | mgedmin | ah, not found |
| 18:06.28 | mgedmin | I'd look at the script and see if it relies heavily on rlcompleter |
| 18:06.40 | mgedmin | maybe it's easier to make it work without it |
| 18:06.53 | terriblepython | I does rely heavily on it :( |
| 18:07.04 | Stskeeps | it might be seperated out from core python |
| 18:07.05 | mgedmin | maybe there's a package that ships rlcompleter? |
| 18:07.14 | mgedmin | it is part of the standard library, after all |
| 18:07.31 | terriblepython | I've searched all over, doesnt seem like it |
| 18:07.40 | terriblepython | but it would be awesome if I were incorrect |
| 18:07.48 | mgedmin | it's a pure python module |
| 18:08.08 | mgedmin | you could always copy it from a random python 2.5 distribution and put it on the python path (eg. in the same directory as your script) |
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| 18:08.50 | terriblepython | Oh, you can do that? |
| 18:09.02 | mgedmin | sure |
| 18:09.09 | terriblepython | I'll try right freaking now! |
| 18:09.37 | terriblepython | <-- python noob |
| 18:10.09 | VDVsx | terriblepython, and you should report a bug against pyMaemo, since it's a standard library module |
| 18:10.25 | mgedmin | +1 |
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| 18:22.19 | wiretapped | copied rlcompleter to his n800 from a normal python install and it works great |
| 18:22.37 | wiretapped | pities the fool who uses python -i without rlcompleter |
| 18:23.00 | wiretapped | especially on a touchscreen |
| 18:23.05 | slonopotamus | what about ipython? |
| 18:23.06 | wiretapped | tab completion ftw |
| 18:23.08 | Corsac | uses ipython |
| 18:23.24 | wiretapped | is there ipython for maemo? |
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| 18:24.26 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Build logs, list packages per maintainer, list packages with broken dependencies, security update promotion. |
| 18:24.52 | slonopotamus | wiretapped, easy_install ipython :P |
| 18:26.03 | X-Fade | mikkov_: And maybe tapping into bugzilla and display some bug statics/info etc. |
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| 18:36.10 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I have couple of simple requests: show changelog, show copyright file, links to source files |
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| 18:36.55 | X-Fade | mikkov_: I guess I need to implement more parsing then ;) |
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| 18:42.12 | guardian | please, what's the common way to get a debug build when using autotools? define a "--with-debug" or alike configure option or else? |
| 18:42.46 | keesj | I use export CFLAGS=-g |
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| 18:45.40 | keesj | what is a good editor to program glib (something that helps creating those OBJECT marco's) |
| 18:46.53 | javispedro | keesj: Vala. |
| 18:48.05 | guardian | thx keesj |
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| 19:03.54 | pfrugal | is there update for the N810 past 43-7? |
| 19:04.45 | slonopotamus | pfrugal, no and will never be |
| 19:04.47 | RST38h | moo all |
| 19:05.00 | Stskeeps | except for community SSU or Mer, yeah |
| 19:05.32 | wiretapped | 43-7 is perfect, obviously. |
| 19:05.42 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 19:05.51 | wiretapped | wonders why other OSes never get done updating |
| 19:05.52 | slonopotamus | modest is crap |
| 19:06.26 | slonopotamus | microb is terribly slow |
| 19:06.32 | RST38h | tell us all something new |
| 19:06.33 | Stskeeps | tear++ |
| 19:07.03 | RST38h | tear is also on the slow side and its attempts at kinetic scrolling are usually fatal |
| 19:07.17 | slonopotamus | # apt-cache search tear |
| 19:07.20 | wiretapped | does anyone know what browser the n900 is shipping with? |
| 19:07.26 | slonopotamus | mplayerplug-in - MPlayer-Plugin for MicroB/Tear/Midori/Webkit |
| 19:07.48 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, what repo is it in? |
| 19:07.58 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you don't know Tear? |
| 19:08.06 | konttori | how big is pyside + qt? |
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| 19:08.25 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i know that it isn't in extras |
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| 19:09.01 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Tear |
| 19:09.02 | Stskeeps | true |
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| 19:09.25 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:09.42 | slonopotamus | johnsq, morning |
| 19:10.41 | pfrugal | Stskeeps, is SSU or Mer stable? |
| 19:11.57 | slonopotamus | pfrugal, there aint any ssu. it's only an unlikely-to-happen idea |
| 19:12.17 | slonopotamus | beyound 43-7, i mean |
| 19:12.24 | slonopotamus | s/u// |
| 19:12.46 | Stskeeps | no, not unlikely, just noone taking up the task and following through |
| 19:12.47 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:12.55 | slonopotamus | = unlikely |
| 19:13.29 | slonopotamus | i'd bet on mer, not maemo :) |
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| 19:28.56 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 19:29.00 | mavhc | is there an easy way to share the clipboard in maemo with windows? |
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| 19:31.10 | johnsq | putty supports cut&paste |
| 19:32.48 | mavhc | usually I want to send urls from one to the other |
| 19:33.10 | RST38h | Ah god, they are already discussing N920 |
| 19:33.17 | RST38h | (why 920?) |
| 19:33.48 | johnsq | mavhc: send a email from one to another. |
| 19:34.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it's the octal representation of the actual number of the devil |
| 19:34.17 | johnsq | RST38h: because N900 has many design bugs, and 920 is the bug fix release |
| 19:34.18 | RST38h | Sts: ORLY? |
| 19:34.32 | RST38h | No, it cannot be octal representation as 9>7 |
| 19:34.33 | Stskeeps | oh, wait, 920.. |
| 19:34.58 | RST38h | especially likes the rumor that RX-56 will be based on Atom |
| 19:35.16 | kirma | pst38h: who is discussing? |
| 19:35.21 | RST38h | Just to increase the amount of madness in this world, we should all work on perpetrating this rumor |
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| 19:35.25 | RST38h | kirma. talk.maemo.org |
| 19:35.38 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I knew there was a reason why the autobuilder does i386 builds too! ;) |
| 19:36.12 | mavhc | hmm http://sourceforge.net/projects/netclipboard/ |
| 19:36.14 | RST38h | Ehehehe |
| 19:36.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: read my planet post on cross-compilation btw? |
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| 19:36.27 | RST38h | qwerty: What if it starts doing PPC builds? =) |
| 19:36.29 | mavhc | I knew the atom was old tech, didn't know it was 386 |
| 19:36.41 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: then we all scream :p |
| 19:36.43 | RST38h | That is because Atom never was 386 |
| 19:36.55 | RST38h | And Menlow chipset mentioned on talk is kinda...mm..aged |
| 19:37.07 | mavhc | meh, QT |
| 19:37.14 | RST38h | If Nokia releases an Atom based tablet, it will most surely NOT have Menlow |
| 19:37.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: no, although I could do with reading something... |
| 19:37.28 | Stskeeps | http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2009/08/debconf-thoughts-part-two-on-cross.html |
| 19:37.30 | mavhc | what next, a nokia netbook? |
| 19:37.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks |
| 19:37.39 | RST38h | qwerty: ...and start saving oil for coolant? =) |
| 19:37.42 | Stskeeps | mavhc: what rock have you been hiding under? :P |
| 19:38.12 | johnsq | mavhc: already announced, when apple makes phones, nokia make laptops |
| 19:38.22 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: hehe |
| 19:39.17 | RST38h | qwerty: BTW, that 54.2% XBox return percentage was apparently close to being true |
| 19:39.26 | RST38h | At least, Microsoft has not tried denying it |
| 19:39.45 | mavhc | over 40% of xboxes don't suck! |
| 19:40.11 | mavhc | I've been painting my rock in sarcasm blue |
| 19:40.38 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: interesting... they got the first xbox right, wonder where they went wrong with the 360 :) |
| 19:41.27 | RST38h | qwerty: Why wonder? The answer is known |
| 19:41.43 | RST38h | qwerty: They made an error using PPC and disregarding its thermal envelope |
| 19:42.23 | mavhc | they tried to put 2 mac pros into a tiny box |
| 19:42.48 | RST38h | qwerty: Sony made the same mistake (enriching IBM in the process) |
| 19:43.15 | johnsq | RST38h: wanted to say the same, the new slim only need 230 Watt. |
| 19:43.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah... Well, at least I know that my Wii is safe from overheating... it's not the most powerful console out there... |
| 19:43.21 | RST38h | So, there is huge chance the next consoles from both companies will be x86 based |
| 19:43.32 | RST38h | johnsq: "only" ? :) |
| 19:43.50 | johnsq | RST38h: yes reduced, compared to the old |
| 19:44.03 | mavhc | xbox was x86 |
| 19:44.04 | RST38h | qwerty: With Wii, Nintendo stayed conservative, they simply took [unpopular] GameBox and pumped specs a little bit |
| 19:44.20 | RST38h | mavhc: We are talking about XBox360, it is PPC based |
| 19:44.45 | mavhc | indeed |
| 19:44.50 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Shame the games still suck :) |
| 19:45.11 | mavhc | who has time for games, I need to irc, rss and watch torrents |
| 19:45.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Wii Fit is probably the best thing I've got |
| 19:45.21 | RST38h | qwerty: Well, I personally can't play anything younger than SNES stuff (and similar GBA stuff) |
| 19:45.48 | RST38h | qwerty: Just do not see the point |
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| 19:47.48 | qwerty12_N810 | It'd be hard for me to say the same (for the SNES) at least considering I was less than a year old when it came out in Europe :p |
| 19:48.00 | RST38h | heh |
| 19:49.58 | mavhc | if everyone bought an xbox we could bankrupt microsoft |
| 19:50.18 | RST38h | and speed up global warming |
| 19:50.56 | qwerty12_N810 | ...and increase leechers of xbox torrents |
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| 20:02.40 | RST38h | <sleep> |
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| 20:17.50 | slonopotamus | Macer, Macer, you're not in #gentoo-embedded anymore. i just happily built cups-1.3.10-r2 |
| 20:23.02 | pupnik_ | nice job |
| 20:23.33 | pupnik_ | tree killer |
| 20:23.40 | pupnik_ | :) |
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| 20:54.55 | javispedro | bah, slashdot grabbing a five years old story and running it like if it was news |
| 20:55.05 | Mek | so what's new? :) |
| 20:55.06 | javispedro | what's worse is that now everyone is going to run it too |
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| 20:55.22 | nedko | hi |
| 20:55.26 | javispedro | hi |
| 20:55.33 | nedko | i have a (stupid) question :) |
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| 20:56.00 | nedko | i want maemo device that ca act as gsm (not 3g) |
| 20:56.32 | nedko | i've read about nokia n800 n810 and n900 |
| 20:56.42 | nedko | but they are described as internet tablets |
| 20:56.54 | nedko | and i'm confused |
| 20:57.23 | javispedro | no. they're not phones. |
| 20:57.25 | javispedro | (sigh) |
| 20:57.40 | Mek | well, n900 will be |
| 20:58.21 | nedko | thanks |
| 20:58.50 | nedko | so i'll wait some more years to get a real personal device :] |
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| 20:59.12 | javispedro | [start flame about pdas not needing phones] |
| 21:00.09 | nedko | i'm not a pda, i need phone :) |
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| 21:07.37 | Gadgetoid | Weird my N810 doesn't seem to want to satisfy dependencies automagically |
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| 21:08.33 | nedko | what is the deal with pda not needing phones? |
| 21:08.49 | nedko | i cant imagine why one needs pda but does not need phone |
| 21:09.11 | Gadgetoid | One has enough phones ;) |
| 21:09.15 | nedko | maybe some ppl prefer to have separate devices? |
| 21:09.21 | lardman|home | it's about portability I guess |
| 21:09.27 | nedko | carry two devices with them |
| 21:09.55 | javispedro | definite proof of the average cultural level in slashdot. no two posts share the same "theory" explaining the 4GiB limit in 32bit windows, and indeed only one of all the posts is right (and tfa, but even then he had to disassemble the kernel when its completely explained even in wikipedia) |
| 21:09.57 | johnsq | nedko: three |
| 21:09.59 | javispedro | </rant> |
| 21:10.20 | lardman|home | lol |
| 21:10.34 | slonopotamus | javispedro, 3.5gb, no? |
| 21:10.34 | javispedro | nedko, some people see no need to be slaves to a carrier, specially when I have free wifi at work, school, and non-free wifi at home. |
| 21:10.58 | nedko | johnsq: what is the third? |
| 21:11.07 | javispedro | slonopotamus, depends on system. |
| 21:11.10 | johnsq | nedko: phone, pda, nds |
| 21:11.19 | nedko | javispedro: i want both wifi/wimax and gsm+3g |
| 21:11.24 | slonopotamus | johnsq, nds - ? |
| 21:11.46 | johnsq | slonopotamus: portable console nitendo DS |
| 21:11.48 | nedko | nintendo? |
| 21:12.07 | crashanddie | johnsq: any version of the nintendo ds that's not portable? |
| 21:12.08 | slonopotamus | has 8gb ram @ work and doesn't care |
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| 21:12.20 | nedko | let them be four then, i want camera too :) |
| 21:12.25 | crashanddie | slonopotamus: e-peen contest much? |
| 21:12.31 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: I guess you need it, using Java stuff? :) |
| 21:12.33 | johnsq | nedko: right. |
| 21:12.42 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: java doesn't require that much |
| 21:13.01 | qwerty12_N810 | True. Knock off a gig and we're nearly there |
| 21:13.04 | javispedro | vmware is the only "usage pattern" I've found that requires enormous amounts of RAM. |
| 21:13.06 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: my 2.5 gig laptop will run 3 vms and a java dev environment no sweat :) |
| 21:13.23 | crashanddie | javispedro: use case? |
| 21:13.26 | qwerty12_N810 | heh |
| 21:13.33 | javispedro | use case, ok :P |
| 21:13.35 | crashanddie | :) |
| 21:13.38 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, java, yep. actually 4 would be enough, but... sometimes i run 3 vms with different IEs |
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| 21:13.41 | nedko | n900 has two problems, it is not here and it is ugly. i want maemo on a htc dream! |
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| 21:14.02 | crashanddie | nedko: and you complain the n900 ugly by comparing it to an htc dream? |
| 21:14.05 | javispedro | nedko, well, you have the source. hope you can get the time. good luck with the port!!! |
| 21:14.15 | slonopotamus | nedko, no, three. it's kb is even worse than n810 one |
| 21:14.20 | crashanddie | its |
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| 21:14.26 | nedko | javispedro: i run too much opernsource projects already :P |
| 21:14.28 | slonopotamus | yeah, its |
| 21:14.51 | crashanddie | sorry for being the nazi spazi |
| 21:15.00 | nedko | crashanddie: yes i do, htc dream looks "right" |
| 21:15.07 | qwerty12_N810 | I wanna see Mer on this baby: http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/popup.dsp?id=308 |
| 21:15.10 | nedko | and it has bigger kbd |
| 21:15.10 | slonopotamus | crashanddie, np |
| 21:15.11 | crashanddie | nedko: do you own one? |
| 21:15.15 | nedko | i dont |
| 21:15.27 | Mek | the n900 keyboard just takes a little time getting used to, but I did found it quite workable... |
| 21:15.34 | crashanddie | qwerty12_N810: the sodomite m90? |
| 21:15.47 | crashanddie | or somalianite |
| 21:15.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Ja |
| 21:16.02 | javispedro | well qwerty12_N810, I can help with the icd port for that one ;) |
| 21:16.18 | qwerty12_N810 | On the plus side, its keyboard is better spaced than the one on the N900... |
| 21:16.23 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: lol |
| 21:16.47 | nedko | damn, even eeepc with gsm module will be better! |
| 21:16.56 | nedko | uses BIG pockets |
| 21:17.13 | lardman|home | why will it be better in your opinion? |
| 21:17.34 | javispedro | then go buy the nokbook, then port maemo to it :P |
| 21:17.38 | nedko | because it will be a portable pc with gsm capabilities |
| 21:17.51 | nedko | netbooks have no gsm option :S |
| 21:17.57 | javispedro | wrong answer. half of this channel considers the n8x0 a pc... |
| 21:18.06 | lardman|home | indeed, and I think a Porche 911 Turbo will be better than the N900 too, at driving along a road |
| 21:18.07 | javispedro | nedko, the nokbook does. |
| 21:18.19 | nedko | googles |
| 21:18.29 | javispedro | but if you mean voice, then I don't know. |
| 21:18.30 | lardman|home | different usage cases |
| 21:18.55 | nedko | i mean voice, yes |
| 21:19.48 | javispedro | imagines someone talking to a netbook |
| 21:19.50 | nedko | i use two portable things atm, my usb disk (from where i boot my customized os on every computer) and a gsm |
| 21:20.12 | nedko | javispedro: tip: handset |
| 21:20.17 | nedko | headset |
| 21:20.20 | nedko | :] |
| 21:20.25 | javispedro | bah, a featurephone is cheaper than a btooth handset. |
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| 21:20.53 | nedko | javispedro: what is this "nokbook" thing? |
| 21:20.59 | javispedro | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1336683 |
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| 21:21.28 | caringi | hi... any news about the n900? |
| 21:21.30 | javispedro | oh my. 30 pages already in tmo about the nokbook? |
| 21:22.00 | nedko | javispedro: i fail to understand what is it |
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| 21:22.32 | javispedro | a netbook. |
| 21:22.33 | johnsq | nedko: expensive netbook with gsm/g3 buildin |
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| 21:22.45 | nedko | how much expensive? |
| 21:23.16 | crashanddie | btw, any recent dell computer + £20 = laptop with 3g |
| 21:23.36 | crashanddie | (most dell laptops have the socket for the sim card, you just need to install the 3g module under the keyboard |
| 21:24.13 | nedko | bah this android thing does not even have ssh built in |
| 21:24.33 | nedko | wants phone with internet and full screen terminal + ssh |
| 21:25.10 | qwerty12_N810 | That would be the N900, but "it's too ugly" |
| 21:25.14 | johnsq | nedko: n810 + any bluetooth phone |
| 21:25.29 | slonopotamus | nedko, phone + n810 + gentoo in console mode :D |
| 21:25.43 | nedko | slonopotamus: in a single device |
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| 21:25.54 | slonopotamus | + tape |
| 21:25.58 | johnsq | nedko: some tape |
| 21:25.59 | nedko | htc dream + external app is also an option |
| 21:26.03 | johnsq | slonopotamus: ^5 |
| 21:26.11 | slonopotamus | johnsq, :D |
| 21:26.26 | javispedro | time to get all my tired arguments about why a phone and a pda are not the same |
| 21:26.27 | nedko | in fact if i can boot the os on my usb disk on this device it would be great |
| 21:26.32 | Gadgetoid | Is it just me, or does Tear not work with download links on Maemo.org? |
| 21:26.47 | nedko | javispedro: tell me! |
| 21:27.06 | javispedro | phone=small enough so that people don't laugh at you when you put it near your ear |
| 21:27.15 | javispedro | pda=big screen, stylus driven, data input |
| 21:27.41 | Gadgetoid | javispedro: don't be absurd, "side-talkin" is the pinnacle of cool! |
| 21:28.12 | javispedro | is reminded of the taco n-gage |
| 21:28.23 | qwerty12_N810 | gives Gadgetoid my old, smashed-up N-Gage |
| 21:28.39 | qwerty12_N810 | (No, I did not use it for calls) |
| 21:28.42 | Gadgetoid | Hahaha, I used a newer style N-Gage for quite a while |
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| 21:29.57 | nedko | javispedro: phone - a small thing that talks bluetooth to the pda, what are your arguments? |
| 21:30.20 | javispedro | oh, I already have that nedko, is called featurephone. |
| 21:30.36 | javispedro | and it's very, very cheap. |
| 21:30.58 | nedko | like zero? |
| 21:30.59 | javispedro | ironically, moving the gsm radio to the smaller device (the featurephone) results in a much cheaper device set. |
| 21:30.59 | nedko | :D |
| 21:31.10 | javispedro | than having the gsm radio in the bigger one. |
| 21:31.22 | javispedro | ah, the wonders of the modern day. |
| 21:32.46 | nedko | htc dream is ok, android is acceptable, there is a ssh app for android, i can eventually hack maemo in |
| 21:33.21 | javispedro | good luck :) |
| 21:33.53 | nedko | i still dont get why n900 has so small kbd |
| 21:34.21 | nedko | they need lot of surface between display and the rest or what? |
| 21:35.40 | javispedro | I guess that's the reason the htc dream has that "piece of plastic" with the buttons on the side. |
| 21:35.48 | javispedro | (which I consider ugly, btw) |
| 21:36.10 | nedko | it is much prettier than a mutilated keyboard |
| 21:36.33 | nedko | also it is available when you use the device in "phone mode" |
| 21:36.44 | javispedro | it makes typing harder too. |
| 21:37.37 | nedko | good point |
| 21:38.29 | divide_by_zero | I've heard terrible things about the N97 keyboard. Is the N900 similar? |
| 21:39.21 | lardman|home | it's not been released yet.... |
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| 21:42.55 | pupnik_ | is size of n810 keys perfect for you? |
| 21:44.19 | pupnik_ | hope the text input makes ppl happy |
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| 21:47.26 | nedko | if it is not a phone too, size of keys does not matter |
| 21:47.43 | derf | It's not the size of the N810 keys that's the problem, it's that it takes like 18lbs of force to push one down. |
| 21:48.37 | nedko | it is not a phone |
| 21:48.43 | nedko | major obstacle :) |
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| 21:49.21 | pupnik_ | maybe a bit less force |
| 21:50.07 | mavhc | can't press the keys with fingernail, have to use pad of finger |
| 21:50.57 | nedko | or touchscreen |
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| 21:53.46 | mavhc | it is stupid when you can type quicker with the stylus |
| 21:55.49 | nedko | right |
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| 22:08.33 | vladovg | hi |
| 22:08.35 | vladovg | :) |
| 22:09.03 | vladovg | firs i won to poligaise for my bad english |
| 22:09.24 | vladovg | kan ani one help mi with n810 |
| 22:09.49 | vladovg | ay have some kustons |
| 22:09.54 | vladovg | :) |
| 22:10.33 | vladovg | and bad english |
| 22:10.35 | lardman|home | just ask |
| 22:10.36 | gomiam | vladovg: XDDDD |
| 22:10.39 | vladovg | :D |
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| 22:11.07 | vladovg | gomiam |
| 22:11.08 | vladovg | :) |
| 22:11.37 | vladovg | its bad ay know |
| 22:11.43 | vladovg | haha |
| 22:12.55 | javispedro | what is the question? |
| 22:13.27 | vladovg | firs ay am from bulgaria |
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| 22:15.24 | nedko | vladovg: i az sym ot tam :) |
| 22:15.29 | javispedro | fine. what's your problem with your n810? |
| 22:17.16 | vladovg | off |
| 22:17.23 | vladovg | strasna izlagaciq |
| 22:17.33 | vladovg | sam s toq angliiski |
| 22:17.38 | vladovg | kato se stigne do pisane |
| 22:17.53 | pupnik_ | start, start, start, start? |
| 22:17.57 | andre__ | vladovg, please speak english. |
| 22:18.09 | nedko | vladovg: pitaj kakwoto imash da pitash, na anglijski |
| 22:18.16 | vladovg | sram |
| 22:18.20 | pupnik_ | hheeh |
| 22:19.01 | lardman|home | hang on |
| 22:19.10 | lardman|home | I've been having a conversation of sorts |
| 22:19.42 | vladovg | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=119080&postcount=12 |
| 22:19.43 | lardman|home | two options, either mount the internal cards on the PC using mass-storage (which should just happen when you plug the cable into a PC) |
| 22:20.01 | lardman|home | or install ssh on the N810, and then use SFTP/SCP on the PC to transfer files |
| 22:20.08 | vladovg | how to kopi Otg and Host |
| 22:20.31 | lardman|home | which directory are the files in that you want to copy? |
| 22:21.27 | vladovg | usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 22:21.38 | lardman|home | ok, so you have to do it in two steps |
| 22:21.59 | vladovg | ai hawe root premision in the cosole |
| 22:22.22 | lardman|home | first step is to copy (using the terminal application, or something like gpe-filemanager) to the SD card, then mount that on the PC and copy across from there |
| 22:22.29 | vladovg | but du nat now how to du it wit |
| 22:22.34 | lardman|home | anyone have a better way? |
| 22:22.44 | lardman|home | with the terminal? |
| 22:22.53 | lardman|home | you don't know how to use the terminal? |
| 22:23.11 | vladovg | ay now how to use it |
| 22:23.16 | lardman|home | ok |
| 22:23.23 | javispedro | i think using the sd card would be easiest, everything else requires extra setup (sshd, etc.) |
| 22:23.30 | lardman|home | yep |
| 22:23.37 | vladovg | ai haw them in the SD |
| 22:24.03 | vladovg | ay have emelFM2 |
| 22:24.11 | lardman|home | ok |
| 22:24.32 | vladovg | copiet the Otg.sh and Host.sh |
| 22:24.37 | vladovg | with no problems |
| 22:25.03 | vladovg | but the host.desktop and otg.desktop |
| 22:25.15 | vladovg | ar in usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 22:25.39 | vladovg | an file menadjer seis thet ai dont have premision |
| 22:25.53 | lardman|home | filemanager doesn't run as root |
| 22:26.08 | vladovg | its a wei to meik it using the emelFM2 as root |
| 22:26.27 | lardman|home | you might be able to get root in a term, then try starting that app |
| 22:26.41 | lardman|home | but you may as well just use "cp" and be done with it |
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| 22:27.41 | vladovg | http://wardenclyffetower.com/MaemoFiles/emelfm2/EmelInfo.htm |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | How to run emelfm2 always with root permissions : |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | Edit (as root) the /etc/sudoers file and add : |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL (if you want user 'user' to sudo anything) -or- |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/emelfm2 (if you just want 'user' to sudo emelfm2) |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | Then edit (as root), the /usr/share/applications/hildon/emelfm2.desktop and set the exec line to read : |
| 22:27.50 | vladovg | Exec=sudo /usr/bin/emelfm2 |
| 22:28.23 | vladovg | and ay dont know how to du dis |
| 22:28.38 | vladovg | from consol |
| 22:28.44 | lardman|home | to do this, you need to use "vi" |
| 22:28.52 | vladovg | vi ? |
| 22:29.00 | lardman|home | it's a command line text editor |
| 22:29.13 | javispedro | (I guess it would be better to just install root and then do rootsh emelfm2?) |
| 22:29.20 | lardman|home | the commands are complicated, you'll have to Google for them in your language |
| 22:29.30 | lardman|home | javispedro: does that work? |
| 22:29.49 | javispedro | well, I don't know, but I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't... |
| 22:30.11 | vladovg | ai hew instalet root and ay am geting in root shel with sudo gainroot |
| 22:30.17 | vladovg | in console |
| 22:30.29 | lardman|home | read about vi |
| 22:30.36 | lardman|home | or try javispedro's suggestion |
| 22:30.45 | vladovg | ok |
| 22:30.53 | javispedro | vladovg, write "emelfm2" in root shell and Enter. |
| 22:31.07 | lardman|home | but really, it will be easier to just copy these two files using "cp" if that's all you need to do |
| 22:31.34 | vladovg | ay just won to start Host mode |
| 22:31.48 | lardman|home | that you can do with an applet iirc |
| 22:32.00 | lardman|home | anyone know which one it is off hand? |
| 22:32.05 | vladovg | ok |
| 22:32.28 | vladovg | kan any one ken sow mi how to du it step bay step |
| 22:33.01 | vladovg | if its not tu impudently |
| 22:33.15 | lardman|home | hang on a moment |
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| 22:36.03 | lardman|home | usb-otg-plugin |
| 22:36.18 | lardman|home | does that sound familiar to anyone? |
| 22:36.18 | Gadgetoid | Hmm, I've farked apt! |
| 22:36.24 | Gadgetoid | Thinks I don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives even after purging it |
| 22:36.51 | lardman|home | vladovg: try installing usb-otg-plugin from the Application Manager |
| 22:37.06 | vladovg | ok |
| 22:38.15 | lardman|home | it will add a new icon up near the battery/wifi/sound ones |
| 22:39.14 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, maybe you actually dont |
| 22:39.43 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: I think I do, but I could be wrong, I had to reboot mid wormux install as everything ground to a halt |
| 22:39.46 | lcuk2 | df |
| 22:39.51 | lcuk2 | is your friend :) |
| 22:40.01 | lcuk2 | never thought he would know a linux command off by heart |
| 22:40.09 | lardman|home | .....ls |
| 22:40.11 | lardman|home | :p |
| 22:40.15 | lardman|home | cd even! |
| 22:40.15 | lcuk2 | dir ftw |
| 22:40.20 | Gadgetoid | ps |
| 22:40.26 | lardman|home | ls used to work on NT iirc |
| 22:40.27 | lcuk2 | lardman, i have a script called cdliqbase |
| 22:40.34 | lcuk2 | that i run from start of a console |
| 22:40.39 | vladovg | in manager ay have onli usbcontrol applet |
| 22:40.48 | Gadgetoid | Now apt just seems completely farked, and Application Manager crashes out (presumably due to apt returning an error state) |
| 22:40.49 | vladovg | and it du nothig |
| 22:40.53 | lardman|home | vladovg: that might work for you |
| 22:41.02 | vladovg | after instal is lokeiteth in extras |
| 22:41.03 | lardman|home | vladovg: you probably need to reboot for it to appear |
| 22:41.06 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, run df |
| 22:41.11 | vladovg | startet enda du nothing |
| 22:41.13 | lcuk2 | it tells you amount of space on partitions |
| 22:41.25 | lardman|home | vladovg: let me install it and have a look |
| 22:41.35 | lcuk2 | holy moly! |
| 22:41.41 | lcuk2 | has a flashing cursor |
| 22:41.57 | lcuk2 | small things ;) |
| 22:42.43 | vladovg | ay have OS2008 43-7 |
| 22:42.49 | lardman|home | https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3328/usb-otg-plugin_0.0_armel.deb |
| 22:42.56 | lardman|home | try that link |
| 22:43.08 | vladovg | moment |
| 22:43.16 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk2: With great power comes great responsibility |
| 22:44.06 | lcuk2 | great responsibility comes with great power consumption |
| 22:45.00 | Gadgetoid | darn flammit! |
| 22:47.38 | jhford | i am finding that when i disconnect from wifi then reconnect back, any tcp sessions i have (like ssh) stay open |
| 22:47.43 | jhford | is there any way to stop this? |
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| 22:48.23 | Woolly | sup crackas |
| 22:48.29 | lardman|home | I actually quite like that feature |
| 22:48.36 | lardman|home | hi Woolly |
| 22:48.41 | Gadgetoid | I didn't know the cache was on the tiny, tiny internal memory |
| 22:48.52 | javispedro | i guess reducing the interval between keep-alives would help, but don't know to do that in ssh :P |
| 22:48.54 | Woolly | howdy lardman|home |
| 22:49.00 | lardman|home | Gadgetoid: hmm, I thought var was in a ramfs? |
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| 22:49.46 | Gadgetoid | lardman|home: I'm not sure, but wherever it is, it's not big enough :D |
| 22:50.04 | lardman|home | don't worry, I don't think it is now I think about it |
| 22:50.13 | vladovg | yeees |
| 22:50.14 | vladovg | :) |
| 22:50.15 | lardman|home | well you could symlink it to the card |
| 22:50.20 | lardman|home | vladovg: works? |
| 22:50.27 | vladovg | yes |
| 22:50.28 | vladovg | :) |
| 22:50.30 | lardman|home | good |
| 22:50.34 | vladovg | greath |
| 22:50.35 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, are you all filled up |
| 22:50.39 | Gadgetoid | lardman|home: yeah I was thinking that, the cache anyway |
| 22:50.40 | vladovg | thenk |
| 22:50.47 | lardman|home | no problem |
| 22:50.58 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: Yeah, I think so |
| 22:51.08 | vladovg | everyone |
| 22:51.16 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: must be some half downloaded cruft gunking it up somewhere |
| 22:51.31 | lcuk2 | does df say like 99% or 100% on / |
| 22:51.31 | Woolly | in the jungle, the might jungle |
| 22:52.00 | lardman|home | the lion sleeps tonight...? |
| 22:52.57 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: df is confusing, it's wrapping odly |
| 22:54.03 | lcuk2 | theres a few good places to get rid of quite a lot of space |
| 22:54.21 | lardman|home | Gadgetoid: ssh in |
| 22:54.23 | lcuk2 | translations for things not your country |
| 22:54.26 | lcuk2 | themes |
| 22:54.29 | lcuk2 | pdf files |
| 22:54.33 | Woolly | lardman|home: how's the barcode stuff going? |
| 22:54.35 | lardman|home | that random avi |
| 22:54.42 | lardman|home | Woolly: slow, been doing other stuff |
| 22:54.44 | lcuk2 | uninstall prgs and remove their crap from /usr/share if it remains |
| 22:54.48 | Woolly | lardman|home: ditto |
| 22:55.27 | lardman|home | Woolly: but still doing a bit now and again, will get there soon enough, couple of weeks I guess unless I suddenly get very inspired and hack at it for more than 15min at a go |
| 22:55.35 | lcuk2 | lardman|home, how did you know about that random avi, i kept it in /home/user/code/private/h/stuff/new folder/r/hot.avi |
| 22:55.57 | lcuk2 | just so you wouldnt find ti |
| 22:55.59 | lcuk2 | it |
| 22:56.01 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: you'd think a bit more of that hefty 2gb internal card would be assigned to such functions |
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| 22:56.09 | Woolly | lardman|home: haha, I'll be able to lend a hand as of a week yesterday. I've got a meeting to prep for Friday next week, but after that, I'm all about the barcodes |
| 22:56.17 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, i feel your pain |
| 22:56.18 | lardman|home | because you should have named the path like this: /home/user/code/.private/.h/.stuff/.new folder/.r/.hot.avi |
| 22:56.25 | lcuk2 | i install build-essential on my device |
| 22:56.33 | lcuk2 | and then all the -dev libraries |
| 22:56.36 | lcuk2 | for liqbase :) |
| 22:56.43 | lcuk2 | it is a 2 step operation after a reflash |
| 22:56.52 | lardman|home | get on with writing your python bindings |
| 22:57.00 | Gadgetoid | Incidentally I did install liqbase |
| 22:57.45 | lardman|home | ha! that's what's done the damage! :D |
| 22:57.48 | lcuk2 | :D |
| 22:58.22 | javispedro | python bindings?? hum. with the renderer being done in C it may actually be a good idea :) |
| 22:58.32 | lcuk2 | yeah tis :) |
| 22:58.47 | lcuk2 | its not just the renderer - the cells also :) |
| 22:59.27 | lardman|home | Woolly: you still looking to do your library lookup thing? |
| 22:59.36 | Woolly | lardman|home: aaaayeman |
| 22:59.39 | Woolly | lardman|home: how come? |
| 23:00.04 | lardman|home | I should do some testing of zbar, perhaps this week, if it all works ok will pass it over to you and you can do your lookup stuff with it |
| 23:00.18 | Woolly | cool beans |
| 23:00.25 | jhford | what do the r and d flags do on maemo? |
| 23:00.28 | lardman|home | I'm still porting my C GTK/sqlite code over to handle databases, etc., which is what's taking the time |
| 23:01.02 | lardman|home | jhford: allow you to set other flags; allow gainroot to be used; make the power-on button more/less sensitive, I forget which |
| 23:01.03 | lcuk2 | jhford, if you have to ask, they arent for you |
| 23:01.14 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: can't seem to remove anything with apt, either, due to the package that's not correctly installed, ha! |
| 23:01.16 | Woolly | lardman|home: that's fine. I have python bindings for batoo too, so we could always compare the results to see whether that or zbar works the best |
| 23:01.17 | jhford | lcuk2: how are you so sure |
| 23:01.23 | lardman|home | there's a wiki page on it jhford |
| 23:01.26 | jhford | maybe they do exactly what i need |
| 23:01.38 | jhford | lardman|home: thanks, i will look for it |
| 23:01.40 | lardman|home | Woolly: sounds good |
| 23:01.55 | lardman|home | right, bed time for me |
| 23:01.58 | Woolly | lardman|home: there's always the possibility for reading directly from the FB at say 5fps, to remove the need for gstreamer |
| 23:02.02 | GAN800 | Fucking Apple |
| 23:02.09 | jhford | anyone know why the n810 doesn't terminate tcp sessions correctly |
| 23:02.13 | Woolly | GAN800: blasphemer! |
| 23:02.16 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, do you still have liqbase instally |
| 23:02.18 | lcuk2 | installed |
| 23:02.21 | lardman|home | Woolly: from the FB (framebuffer)? |
| 23:02.32 | lcuk2 | jhford, it was a joke |
| 23:02.35 | javispedro | GAN800, what have they done this time? |
| 23:02.40 | GAN800 | Don't give me a line about having to pay for repairs with your Honda because you didn't buy the extended warranty. |
| 23:02.43 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: can't uninstall it |
| 23:02.44 | Woolly | lardman|home: yeah, that's what I'm doing for my screen capture stuff. I can get about 30fps to ram. |
| 23:02.54 | lardman|home | Woolly: hmm, interesting |
| 23:02.55 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, ok, head into /usr/share/liqbase/media |
| 23:03.01 | GAN800 | javispedro, leaky G5. Their repair failed. |
| 23:03.04 | lcuk2 | there are at least one large single image you can remove :) |
| 23:03.07 | javispedro | :P |
| 23:03.08 | lardman|home | Woolly: I'd never looked at doing it that way |
| 23:03.08 | lcuk2 | about 2mb i think |
| 23:03.18 | lcuk2 | might give you room to do whatever else you have to do |
| 23:03.27 | GAN800 | Giving me the runaround the whole time. |
| 23:03.33 | Woolly | lardman|home: I've ordered a super speedy class 6 SD card for my N800, which I'm going to use the 48Mhz patch on, to see if I can write any faster than 15fps |
| 23:03.34 | lardman|home | Woolly: is the buffer memory mapped somewhere in kernel space? |
| 23:03.37 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: bunch of pngs, sheesh |
| 23:03.37 | lcuk2 | depends which version you have |
| 23:04.16 | Woolly | lardman|home: it was considered, but it wasn't necessary. I can read at the refresh rate |
| 23:04.38 | lardman|home | Woolly: from what though, a /dev file then? |
| 23:04.45 | lardman|home | jhford: http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode |
| 23:04.53 | Woolly | lardman|home: /dev/fb yeah. It's in C though. |
| 23:05.00 | jhford | lardman|home: thanks :) |
| 23:05.06 | lardman|home | jhford: np |
| 23:05.08 | jhford | wonders what a watchdog is |
| 23:05.33 | lardman|home | Woolly: ah, I was thinking the camera stuff was all hidden away and not exposed for mere mortals |
| 23:05.33 | javispedro | jhford, how can the n810 terminate tcp sessions correctly if you're disconnecting it from wi-fi the hard way you said? ;) |
| 23:05.58 | jhford | in the process of shutting down the wifi gracefully it should send termination messages |
| 23:06.07 | lardman|home | jhford: http://wiki.maemo.org/Troubleshooting_boot_issues |
| 23:06.08 | Woolly | lardman|home: oh jings, what a nutter I am. I'm capturing frames from the screen, not the camera! woops! |
| 23:06.13 | javispedro | ah, the soft way then :P |
| 23:06.17 | lardman|home | hmm, was wondering |
| 23:06.27 | lardman|home | too late in the evening |
| 23:06.29 | lardman|home | for me too! |
| 23:06.34 | lardman|home | and on that note I'm off |
| 23:06.36 | Woolly | lardman|home: confusion avoided. exactly! |
| 23:06.40 | Woolly | lardman|home: take it easy :) |
| 23:06.40 | lcuk2 | nite somin |
| 23:06.42 | lardman|home | night all |
| 23:06.43 | lcuk2 | simon |
| 23:06.48 | lcuk2 | pounced |
| 23:07.18 | javispedro | even tho do ssh sessions between desktop linux gracefully terminate if you just do "ifdown eth0"? |
| 23:07.55 | javispedro | cause icd notifies for sure, but ssh is not listening to that kind of notifications |
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| 23:10.17 | erand | hi addison |
| 23:11.08 | erand | so how should i set up my device to optimize it as a medical resource |
| 23:11.13 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: surely a ln -s to a dir on the mm1 should help me? |
| 23:11.41 | lcuk2 | which dir |
| 23:12.04 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: from /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 23:12.04 | Woolly | erand: a medical resource? |
| 23:12.04 | lcuk2 | and are you sure mmc1/mmc2 is MOUNTED at boot time when the folder you shifted it there |
| 23:12.15 | lcuk2 | /required |
| 23:12.35 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: not so worried about that, I just want it to give me some extra space to do the removals |
| 23:12.38 | Addison | Hey Woolly, are you interested? |
| 23:12.51 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, im not sure what gets done and when |
| 23:12.59 | Woolly | Addison: what's the plan? |
| 23:13.03 | lcuk2 | but theres software updater that might expect things |
| 23:13.21 | lcuk2 | i would be nervous doing that without knowing the boot order - but you might be ok |
| 23:13.31 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: methinks I'll just reflash |
| 23:13.33 | Addison | Well, I'm currently having a private chat with erand. Any way to do a three way or find a different forum? |
| 23:13.45 | Woolly | a three way, ooh err |
| 23:13.58 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 23:14.02 | Woolly | I'm not sure, what client are you using? |
| 23:14.07 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: but cheers for your help! |
| 23:14.17 | javispedro | /var/cache/apt/archives is not really required |
| 23:14.23 | javispedro | apt-get clean will purge most of it |
| 23:14.31 | Addison | We're both using java.freenode.net, Woolly. We're both kind of computer naive. |
| 23:14.42 | Woolly | Addison: gutter |
| 23:14.45 | Woolly | Addison: 2 ticks |
| 23:14.52 | Gadgetoid | javispedro: it's empty, but I've got something else eating up all my space, and it's hiding |
| 23:14.53 | lcuk2 | Addison, just choose a random chan name #addison_wolly_lovein |
| 23:14.58 | lcuk2 | and join it |
| 23:15.11 | Woolly | oooh yeah a lovein |
| 23:15.12 | javispedro | and how do you know is /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 23:15.13 | Woolly | that sounds fun |
| 23:15.33 | lcuk2 | (not sure if specific chan name is legal |
| 23:15.36 | lcuk2 | but the idea is the same |
| 23:15.38 | Woolly | Addison: click on lcuk2's link |
| 23:15.38 | Gadgetoid | javispedro: it's not, it's just on the same disk |
| 23:15.42 | lcuk2 | just pick something and all join it |
| 23:15.50 | Addison | Did you just call me a tick, Wolly? Name calling.... That's real mature there boogerbutt! *lol* |
| 23:16.01 | Addison | Okay Wolly. |
| 23:16.09 | Addison | #addison_wolly_lovein |
| 23:16.25 | pupnik_ | ppppppppppppppplease, addison |
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| 23:16.27 | lcuk2 | in your client, type "/join #addison_wolly_lovein" |
| 23:16.32 | Woolly | Addison: 2 ticks = 2 seconds |
| 23:17.14 | javispedro | imagines the caos that can be created in such an unmoderated channel |
| 23:17.26 | lcuk2 | thats not chaose |
| 23:17.27 | Woolly | oh dear god, i'm about to run out of bats |
| 23:17.42 | javispedro | chaos! chaos! yes, i know, i need to run a spell checker. |
| 23:18.02 | Woolly | passes javispedro mavis beacon |
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| 23:18.11 | javispedro | if only gnome would allow me to use the en_GB aspell dict while using es_ES locale |
| 23:18.12 | lcuk2 | damn i thought you gave him bacon |
| 23:18.17 | Woolly | har |
| 23:18.30 | Gadgetoid | Ha, the biggest inconvenience following a reflash is repairing my bluetooth keyboard |
| 23:19.03 | javispedro | damn gtk and their useless spell checker without "change language" option |
| 23:19.05 | javispedro | ~curse gtk |
| 23:19.06 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, gtk ! |
| 23:19.51 | Gadgetoid | Or just a thousand camels, not sure which would be worse |
| 23:20.18 | Woolly | i thought that said moist sensitive regions |
| 23:20.42 | Gadgetoid | Haha |
| 23:21.24 | Woolly | erand: click #addison_wolly_lovein |
| 23:21.25 | Gadgetoid | I'm really failing to get the N810s concept of internal memory, a paltry 256mb that gets filled up with applications and cache... or am I talking ball-locks |
| 23:22.27 | javispedro | (i am just hoping that a gtk guru happens to be here and just tells me "to switch dictionaries in the gnome/gtk spell checker, just press Ctrl+F+F2, then Alt+F17, then repeteadly hit the screen with your head, and your dinner should be served!") |
| 23:23.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Ctrl-Alt-Backspace worked a treat |
| 23:23.23 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, how long have you had device? |
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| 23:24.13 | javispedro | I curse you, Ubuntu, for disabling the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace killer combo by default. |
| 23:24.17 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: A matter of hours :) this one anyway |
| 23:24.43 | javispedro | Debian, my personal preference, gives you enough rope to hang yourself :D |
| 23:25.06 | lcuk2 | :) |
| 23:25.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Debian: The distro for suicidal people |
| 23:25.14 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: So I'm quite rusty on my N810 kung-fu, I never remember encountering this before although I did hose the last one into a reboot loop |
| 23:25.53 | lcuk2 | well, all the apps you have grow and each of them has more stuff needed |
| 23:26.12 | lcuk2 | and maybe 18 months ago the apps you normally use were much smaller on their own |
| 23:26.57 | lcuk2 | so maybe, like what i am in process of doing, app developers need to be bitchslapped and told to reduce the footprint of their packages |
| 23:27.08 | lcuk2 | cos the motherfuskers are getting too bloated |
| 23:27.29 | lcuk2 | </rant> |
| 23:27.43 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: I'd rather have more than 256mb in which to store them! |
| 23:27.59 | javispedro | ~clone |
| 23:28.00 | infobot | i heard clone is a clone card - i.e. a worthless, unreliable piece of junk. Is all that extra headache really worth the few dollars you're about to save? |
| 23:28.07 | lcuk2 | yes of course, but theres feck all that can be done for us owners of n810s |
| 23:28.10 | javispedro | O.o |
| 23:28.33 | lcuk2 | javispedro, normal consumer will not go throughthat trouble |
| 23:28.38 | lcuk2 | normal user wont |
| 23:28.55 | javispedro | I didn't either, but then 256MiB is enough for me, |
| 23:29.05 | lcuk2 | its just enough for me too :) |
| 23:29.16 | lcuk2 | but i cant install any heavy apps anymore |
| 23:29.22 | Gadgetoid | In retrospect, I'll not try to install boswars |
| 23:29.28 | Gadgetoid | Or liqbase |
| 23:29.33 | javispedro | Gadgetoid, doesn't boswars have a install-to-card option? |
| 23:29.45 | Gadgetoid | Yes, which I used... I think |
| 23:29.50 | javispedro | I implemented one of those in openttd just for the sake of 8 MiB ;) |
| 23:29.54 | lcuk2 | oi! Gadgetoid that wasnt the intention lol |
| 23:30.10 | lcuk2 | its all the *other* apps :P |
| 23:30.30 | javispedro | nah, liqbase is the culprit. last time I tried it was, like, 3 GiB or what? |
| 23:30.41 | Gadgetoid | I wonder if I failed at installing Boswars |
| 23:30.42 | qwerty12_N810 | ...that are whorish, like liqbase |
| 23:30.47 | lcuk2 | nah, hasnt been 3gib for ages now |
| 23:30.51 | lcuk2 | it comes on 2 dvds |
| 23:31.15 | lcuk2 | or are they blueray? |
| 23:31.21 | javispedro | don't forget the bluray with the sample sketch database |
| 23:31.26 | Gadgetoid | Well the nokia update utility failed to download the firmware, so here I go hacking at ye olde command line again |
| 23:31.36 | Gadgetoid | Extra irritating, as I've yet to enable SSH access |
| 23:31.55 | javispedro | it's the first time I ever see that utility fail |
| 23:32.12 | javispedro | either way you can still download the image manually and I think the windows flaser will accept it. |
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| 23:33.27 | lcuk2 | Gadgetoid, liqbase itself is becoming much lighter and the greatest majority of stuff in /media is going - the media that is required there will be per specific app installed |
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| 23:35.21 | Gadgetoid | lcuk2: why the hell can't apt simply remove the half installed wormux and ignore it |
| 23:35.50 | lcuk2 | i dunno |
| 23:36.00 | lcuk2 | did u delete some files and make some space |
| 23:36.14 | Gadgetoid | It shouldn't need any space to remove something |
| 23:36.33 | Gadgetoid | I tell it to remove wormux, and it harps on about wanting to install wormux-data |
| 23:36.35 | lcuk2 | no, but if apt was in the middle of something it has to finish it |
| 23:36.54 | lcuk2 | give it some space and let it do what it needs |
| 23:37.10 | Gadgetoid | Hah, I'm trying :D |
| 23:37.22 | Gadgetoid | It wants about 47mb plus 50mb to expand |
| 23:37.54 | Gadgetoid | or 50mb archives, 60mb after unpacking |
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| 23:38.11 | lcuk2 | could be worse lol |
| 23:38.21 | pupnik_ | wormux is a bit heavy |
| 23:38.40 | Woolly | bed time for me |
| 23:38.41 | Woolly | nn all |
| 23:38.48 | Gadgetoid | I suspect that's why it froze mid install |
| 23:38.51 | pupnik_ | cu woo-- |
| 23:38.52 | javispedro | Gadgetoid, if you've filled up / up to a certain point, you won't be able to delete anything at all. Not even a 1 KiB file. |
| 23:38.54 | Gadgetoid | nn Woolly |
| 23:39.10 | Gadgetoid | Sheesh javispedro |
| 23:39.13 | lcuk2 | nite Woolly |
| 23:39.18 | Woolly | cheerio guys |
| 23:39.20 | javispedro | nite |
| 23:39.24 | qwerty12_N810 | gn |
| 23:39.45 | lcuk2 | chirpy bunch tonight :P normally miserable buggers when someone says gnite |
| 23:39.50 | pupnik_ | 1:39 ! Lava lamp time! |
| 23:40.00 | javispedro | lcuk2, :D |
| 23:40.29 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: I thought you were gonna come out with something exciting like "LSD trip time!" |
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| 23:41.18 | b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 23:41.22 | infobot | xnt14 <i=60e8885f@gateway/web/freenode/x-hqfjwggtuuuzttla> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 22h 5m 49s ago, saying: 'titanium for maemo?'. |
| 23:41.32 | b-man16 | :P |
| 23:42.23 | Gadgetoid | aha, deleted the wesnoth game dir, found it buried |
| 23:42.36 | Gadgetoid | apt is going to hate me |
| 23:42.53 | b-man16 | lol xD |
| 23:43.18 | pupnik_ | i like deleting things |
| 23:43.29 | Gadgetoid | apt "Yo, Gaddy, you've been fsckin deletin' mah files again, aintchoo!?" |
| 23:43.31 | pupnik_ | "i dont think i need that" |
| 23:43.50 | javispedro | "/vmlinuz? sounds like porn. gone!" |
| 23:43.55 | pupnik_ | "ooh, *that's* what that's for..." |
| 23:43.56 | Gadgetoid | I extracted my first cross compiling toolkit over my root fs :) |
| 23:44.00 | b-man16 | LOL |
| 23:44.24 | Gadgetoid | That never booted again, ev er |
| 23:44.26 | pupnik_ | hheh |
| 23:44.47 | pupnik_ | oww :) |
| 23:45.13 | Gadgetoid | Tis only my dev station anyway, or a crappy slow-ass, low res netbook |
| 23:45.50 | Gadgetoid | Which still has a large portion of its hard disk dedicated to a very dodgy installation of OSX |
| 23:46.35 | EdLin | Gadgetoid: are you upgrading to snow leopard? Less dodgy. :-) |
| 23:47.05 | Gadgetoid | EdLin: Indeed, although it might take me a while to chance it on my workstation |
| 23:47.38 | EdLin | Gadgetoid: you'll also free up 7GB of space, so you'll need less space for it on the HD. |
| 23:48.05 | javispedro | wow. |
| 23:48.07 | EdLin | Gadgetoid: they stripped PPC and compressed the framework files. |
| 23:48.17 | EdLin | among other things |
| 23:48.25 | Gadgetoid | EdLin: Sexy, I haven't been following it in much depth |
| 23:48.42 | Gadgetoid | I have a recently bought 13" MBP anyway, so I'll get an upgrade disk for about £7.99 |
| 23:49.14 | EdLin | they also added some security features already present in Vista and Linux. ;-) |
| 23:49.35 | EdLin | of course, Vista's craptacular in most other ways. |
| 23:49.36 | GeneralAntilles | stabs Apple. |
| 23:50.26 | Gadgetoid | You mean really irritating pop up dialogue boxes asking me to confirm every single action I perform EdLin? |
| 23:50.43 | EdLin | Gadgetoid: that's just one problem with Vista. |
| 23:50.43 | Gadgetoid | The dialogue box that pops up when I try to run downloaded files is annoying enough |
| 23:51.21 | Gadgetoid | I run Vista at work, it's tragic |
| 23:51.38 | EdLin | Vista had poor performance as well. At least they took care of most of Vista's problems with Windows 7, but W7 should have been what Vista was in the first place. |
| 23:51.40 | Gadgetoid | Still no consistent file dialogue boxes, still can't handle more than whatever-the-hell-number-of-window-handles it can handle |
| 23:52.18 | EdLin | consistency is not something you'll find in Windows program interfaces. |
| 23:52.28 | Macer | guess he's not there :) slopotamus left |
| 23:52.31 | GeneralAntilles | Quarantine is the worst. |
| 23:52.36 | Macer | i still have my gentoo install but i'm working on using mer more |
| 23:52.38 | GeneralAntilles | I wish there were a real way to disable it. |
| 23:52.41 | Macer | want to try to make a theme for it |
| 23:52.44 | Macer | and edit the menu |
| 23:52.57 | Macer | although i should just wait for 0.16 |
| 23:53.20 | *** part/#maemo nedko (n=nedko@77.70.30.81) |
| 23:53.23 | Gadgetoid | I just uninstalled tons of files and it's showing even less free memory than I had before... enigma wrapped in a mystery |
| 23:53.34 | javispedro | Gadgetoid, reboot. |
| 23:53.50 | EdLin | I wish Nokia didn't make the N8x0's sound system closed-source, I use my N810 as a replacement for iPod and that's a real show-stopper for running non-mameo OSs on it for me. |
| 23:54.00 | Gadgetoid | javispedro: Ahhh the ubiquitous I.T. problem solver |
| 23:54.18 | Gadgetoid | Goddamnit, application manager still crashes out |
| 23:54.19 | javispedro | Gadgetoid, if you're sure you're actually deleted the files, that may actually help |
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| 23:54.36 | Macer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/Fluxbox |
| 23:54.38 | Macer | or not heh |
| 23:54.40 | Macer | awesome! |
| 23:54.43 | Macer | does this |
| 23:54.44 | Gadgetoid | I'm pretty sure I've completely hosed it :) |
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| 23:56.23 | Macer | haha |
