IRC log for #maemo on 20090824

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16:02.34lcukwb infobot
16:02.37crashanddie~cookie
16:02.44Luke-Jrinfobot: botsnack
16:02.44infobotLuke-Jr: thanks
16:02.47qwerty12_N810~hump
16:02.48infobotACTION humps the channel
16:03.02crashanddie~hump qwerty12_N810
16:03.03lcukhe leaves because you lot harrass him whenever he enters
16:03.04javispedroso, nokia already did computers
16:03.05javispedrohttp://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos/nokia_MikroMikko1_1.jpg
16:03.14qwerty12_N810~fuck crashanddie
16:03.30ArSa_javispedro who didn't
16:03.33qwerty12_N810Grr... it doesn't wish to go near either of us
16:03.36ArSa_goodyear made TV's
16:03.43crashanddieis that like reversed peadophillia?
16:03.44Myrttimy friend had a mikromikko
16:03.49MyrttiI wanted one so bad
16:04.01brbrbrfatherphilia ? :PP
16:04.03brbrbromg
16:04.05Myrttididn't look like that though
16:04.16crashanddieI guess it would be 1/-18
16:04.56javispedroslashdot comment: "so, how do they do 12 hours of battery life?" "using Marketing Energy, of course".
16:05.24javispedroit's like Free Energy only better, and twice as surreal.
16:05.39crashanddiejavispedro: slashdot comments are only +5 funny on the website. IRC has no concept of funny by moderation
16:05.39GAN800crashanddie, people are hilarious.
16:05.49Luke-Jrhttp://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2345/dumpviewfilephpfile0002.jpg
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16:06.13MaceN8x0Luke-Jr: do i have to sync after adding that line?
16:06.21Luke-JrMaceN8x0: no
16:06.46crashanddieGAN800: think it'll ever change?
16:06.51Luke-JrMaceN8x0: emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1
16:06.54ArSa_Luke-Jr hehe
16:06.54Luke-JrMaceN8x0: paste the line
16:07.12MaceN8x0ok
16:07.29crashanddieGAN800: not to be cynical really, but all the "happy people" dreams and precious ideals are getting quite old
16:07.33ArSa_i wonder what kind of CD's he has in that holder, probably some of that country he sings.
16:07.33GAN800crashanddie, nope.
16:08.03GAN800crashanddie, I think it has something to do with getting old. :D
16:08.10crashanddiebut I'm just 23
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16:08.39crashanddieI think it's something to do with learning words like wage, or male pattern baldness
16:09.43Luke-Jrcrashanddie: more like being broken
16:09.53GAN800Ahaha
16:10.06crashanddiefor other people not understanding the conversation: yes, people working at nokia are paid with flowers and Nokia is the only cor poration on the planet that is trying hard to go bust by selling things without any profit, but just can't, because they're so damn bad at it
16:10.07GAN800crashanddie, here's one now.
16:10.49crashanddiethey have cars that run on the pure power of love, and all live in lala-land
16:11.05crashanddieanyway, time for my cancer-stick, bbiab
16:11.07Luke-Jrcrashanddie: as you get more idealistic, the world will eventually break you
16:11.26Myrttisince I work for subcontractor, I get paid in chocolate
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16:11.57MaceN8x0heh
16:12.08MaceN8x0waiting for it to do stuff
16:12.13MaceN8x0i hope cups works
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16:12.33MaceN8x0im sure by now they must have fixed the ebuild bug
16:12.46lcukjavispedro, "12 hours of battery power from marketing energy, is that any different from sucking energy from  a reality distortion field of steve jobs?
16:12.55lcuklikes the marketing energy line tho
16:13.04GAN800How is it that modern Celeron machines can't boot from a USB stick. . . .
16:13.40Luke-JrNokia should learn from Full Metal Alchemist
16:13.51Luke-Jrand leech energy off the mass genocide of alternate dimensions
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16:14.05MaceN8x0Luke-Jr: it will only grab the qt webkit?
16:14.09GAN800Luke-Jr, should learn from reality.
16:14.13Luke-JrMaceN8x0: should, see -g
16:14.20MaceN8x0still has to build the rest
16:14.27Luke-JrGAN800: reference fail
16:14.28MaceN8x0?
16:14.30MaceN8x0ok
16:14.35Luke-JrMaceN8x0: "the rest"?
16:14.50Luke-Jrif you use -g, that emerge command will fetch binpkgs
16:14.50MaceN8x0i have other deps that havent been built
16:15.01Luke-JrMaceN8x0: so build those first
16:15.02MaceN8x0like qt-core
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16:15.14MaceN8x0ok
16:15.15ArSa_hm... i can't believe they didn't put that "You Ain't Woman Enough" song from "be cool" somewhere. do they take down movie clips off youtube?
16:15.18Luke-Jror use binpkgs
16:15.24Luke-Jrbut to cover my legal buttom..
16:15.29Luke-Jruse emerge -f to get srcs first
16:15.31Luke-Jr☺
16:15.31MaceN8x0just was wondering if it would grab
16:15.44Luke-JrMaceN8x0: it will grab anything it needs for that cmd
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16:15.50MaceN8x0dep bin pkgs automatically
16:16.07Luke-Jrcheck the output from -a
16:16.14Luke-Jrit should say "binary" instead of "ebuild"
16:16.30ArSa_oh, there it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6YayTBoDcQ
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16:18.19wazdwow, I've jsut made "drift brake" on a bike for the first time :)
16:19.13MaceN8x0no
16:19.19MaceN8x0all are ebuilds
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16:19.49Luke-JrMaceN8x0: you're doing it wrong
16:20.03MaceN8x0PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n8x0/packages/"
16:20.52Luke-JrMaceN8x0: exact cmd?
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16:21.24MaceN8x0restless portage # emerge -gk qt-webkit -a1
16:22.00Luke-Jrand exact output?
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16:22.32MaceN8x0sec...
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16:23.54MaceN8x0[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1  USE="-debug (-kde) -pch"
16:24.16MaceN8x0doesnt seem to want to pull the bin
16:24.45MaceN8x0i will just build what i can for now
16:24.57Luke-Jrtry adding -K maybe
16:25.01MaceN8x0have to go and will work on it more when i get back
16:25.03Luke-Jroh
16:25.08Luke-Jrun-mask the KDE use flag
16:25.11Luke-Jrmine has USE=kde
16:26.12mcpihave you tried with an capital -G to foce binary?
16:26.22Luke-Jrecho -kde » /etc/portage/profile/use.mask
16:26.28Luke-Jrmcpi: isn't that -K
16:26.39mcpi-getbinpkgonly[=n] (-G)
16:26.42mcpiman emerge
16:26.53Luke-Jrno u
16:27.00Luke-Jr<PROTECTED>
16:27.01Luke-Jr<PROTECTED>
16:27.03Luke-Jr<PROTECTED>
16:27.04Luke-Jr<PROTECTED>
16:27.13mcpioh, i see :)
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16:32.21lardmananyone know how an RGB GdkPixBuf is arranged in memory?
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16:33.14lardmanor actually, is there an easier way of displaying grayscale data?
16:33.31mcpiLuke-Jr: is this gentoo just in a chroot env or stand alone?
16:33.42crashanddiegreyscale :P
16:34.26lardmanwell I thought I'd spell it for our American cousins
16:34.40GeneralAntillesGoes either way over here, honestly.
16:35.01crashanddieI'm probably the only idiot who corrects people on that, tbh
16:35.12lardmanshould be spelled gray in English afaik
16:35.15lardmanoops
16:35.17lardmanother way round
16:35.27lardmanshould be spelled *grey*
16:35.31vasily_pupkin(=
16:35.35crashanddiewrong time to typo :P
16:35.36qwerty12_N810lardman: indeed
16:35.42lardmansure was :D
16:36.05Luke-Jrmcpi: standalone
16:36.07fiferboyI can never remember how we spell it in Canada
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16:36.19crashanddieok, how the fuck I apply an ldif through ldap admin?
16:36.23crashanddiedo I**
16:37.18SamPieterhi all, I have a 'home city' question... My city does not appear in the list. Can I add it myself?
16:37.33crashanddieSamPieter: context
16:38.20SamPieterehm, Nokia N810
16:38.32lardmanI think he means which list ;)
16:38.38GeneralAntillesSamPieter, timezone issue.
16:38.43GeneralAntillesJust pick a major city in your timezone.
16:38.43qwerty12_N810SamPieter: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=188982&postcount=1 perhaps
16:39.04SamPieterah, the location, in 'Date & Time'
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16:39.32lardmansee qwerty12_N810's post or do as GeneralAntilles says for the easy route
16:39.41SamPieterOK
16:39.47lardmanunless you live in Adelaide of course, in which case your timezone doesn't exist at all ;)
16:40.01SamPieter(btw: I want to add a city in the Antilles)
16:41.06lardmanwhat's the timexone?
16:41.08crashanddielardman: I live on Adelaide road, am I in trouble?
16:41.09SamPieterwow, QWERTY's solution is a biggie
16:41.17SamPietertimezone is GMT-4
16:41.19lardmancrashanddie: might be :)
16:41.24qwerty12_N810Not my solution :p
16:41.34SamPieterah sorry qwerty
16:41.43lardmanGMT-4 in the Caribbean? really?
16:41.50SamPieteryes lardman, really
16:41.54lardmanwow
16:42.02crashanddieyou sure it's not +4?
16:42.04vasily_pupkin(%
16:42.06SamPieterWillemstad, Curaçao to be exact
16:42.17SamPieteryes I'm sure it's not +4
16:42.24SamPieteror am I?
16:42.28lardmanmust be +4, but anyway, only 4 hours different
16:42.43crashanddieerhm
16:42.43crashanddieno
16:42.44crashanddie-4
16:42.48crashanddieis correct
16:42.54crashanddie+4 would put it somewhere in asia
16:42.57SamPieterehm, GMT right now is? 17:42?
16:43.03SamPieteraye
16:43.04GeneralAntilleslol
16:43.05crashanddieno, BST is
16:43.10Luke-Jr...fail
16:43.13crashanddieBST is 17:43
16:43.13SamPieterit's 12:43 here local tome
16:43.22ArSa_SamPieter that's same as EST
16:43.35Luke-JrGMT is for Greenwich people only
16:43.40SamPieterbut NO daylight savings time thank you very much
16:43.44jeremiahMon Aug 24 16:43:33 UTC 2009
16:43.44Luke-JrArSa_: not EDT?
16:43.46ArSa_right
16:43.49crashanddieLuke-Jr: lol, only hoodies and chavs?
16:44.05ArSa_well, i don't know difference, forgive me :P
16:44.11ArSa_it's EDT now, i guess
16:44.14SamPieterah UTC -4
16:44.20crashanddieSamPieter: yup
16:44.25lardmanhmm, it is -, strange
16:44.28lardmanah well
16:44.30lardman:)
16:44.33Luke-JrI think EST is UTC-5
16:44.33SamPieter:)
16:44.38crashanddielardman: + goes to east, - goes to west
16:44.50lardmanUTC is rubbish, it's called GMT, we invented it after all :p
16:44.51GeneralAntilleshits lardman with a timezone cluebat.
16:44.59ArSa_i like UT better
16:44.59SamPietergo lardman!
16:45.02Luke-Jrlardman: no, GMT has daylight savings time
16:45.04Luke-JrUTC does not
16:45.05crashanddielardman: no, GMT != UTC
16:45.08ArSa_now, that's a topic for discussion, UT that is.
16:45.10GeneralAntillesArSa_, pew pew!
16:45.12crashanddielardman: because GMT disappears for a few months each year
16:45.13lardmanluckily lardman had just fallen to the ground in exhaustion and the bat missed
16:45.27lardmanno it doesnt
16:45.29SamPieterhmmm
16:45.30Luke-Jrdoes
16:45.33crashanddieyeah it does, because BST
16:45.41SamPieterhow do I get root access? do I need to install something first?
16:45.43lardmanyeah, but BST = GMT+1
16:45.47lardmanso GMT is still there
16:45.48qwerty12_N810~root-access
16:45.49infoboti guess root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access
16:45.49Luke-JrSamPieter: install GentoO!
16:45.55crashanddielardman: no, BST = UTC + 1
16:45.59Luke-Jrlardman: no, BST = UTC+1
16:46.03SamPieterBST = Bull Sh*t Time??)
16:46.04lardmanno, UTC = rubbish
16:46.11Luke-Jrlardman = rubbish
16:46.12crashanddielardman: you're rubbish
16:46.17Luke-Jrtimezones are rubbish too
16:46.19qwerty12_N810SamPieter: I was thinking the exact same thing *grin*
16:46.21Luke-Jrall that matters is UTC and UGT
16:46.26GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, take that to #gentoo, please.
16:46.33lardmanbloody colonies
16:46.37lardman;)
16:46.39SamPieterthank you infobot
16:46.39infobotSamPieter: my pleasure
16:46.56ArSa_http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/05/universal_time_zone.html
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16:47.10SamPieterok i love you guys
16:47.10GeneralAntilleslardman, we kicked your ass in 1776 then saved it twice in 1918 and 1945. :P
16:47.20qwerty12_N810lardman: you'd think that they'd have respect for their owners
16:47.22crashanddieSamPieter: in that case, I'm happy you're in the carribean
16:47.24lardmanah that's true isn't it, UTC != GMT as one has some microseconds added to it
16:47.32Luke-JrGeneralAntilles: nonsense, England just didn't make a sincere effort
16:47.36crashanddielardman: yup
16:47.37Luke-Jrat least for the first one
16:47.53ArSa_heh
16:47.55lardmanGeneralAntilles: you lot only got involved because it suited you
16:47.56SamPietercrashanddie: I'm glad myself! great weather all year round, superb diving...
16:48.04crashanddieSamPieter: and hurricanes
16:48.08Luke-Jrand the crimes in the 1900s are hardly praise-worthy
16:48.18lardmanSamPieter: does sound good, what about hurricanes though?
16:48.28crashanddieGeneralAntilles: if you want to go that route (pronounce: root), don't forget you got your independance thanks to the French, which is less than honourable
16:48.28ArSa_you hide?
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16:48.46SamPietercrashanddie: NO hurricanes! we live below the hurrican belt, hasn't been a hurricane here in about 125 years
16:48.56lardmanquick Nokia, give us new hw so we stop abusing each other!
16:48.58crashanddieActually, I think you're the only country on earth that actually needed the french to win any kind of war
16:49.06Luke-JrLOL
16:49.08lardmanlol
16:49.10ArSa_hehe
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16:49.27Luke-Jrif England *really* wanted the colonies they could have won
16:49.29derfOther than France, you mean.
16:49.30GeneralAntillesThe saddest part about it is that we've now gone and squandered away everything that we gained.
16:49.39Luke-Jrbut they figures the USA would just collapse shortly anyway and then would be a better time
16:49.50lardmanderf: did they ever win anything?
16:50.01lardman;)
16:50.10derflardman: Charlemagne did alright.
16:50.12Luke-Jranyhow, we all agree on UGT at least, right?
16:50.18lardmanwell actually I seem to remember they invaded us of course... :)
16:50.36lardmanAnyway, back to business
16:50.39lardman:)
16:50.39Luke-Jrlardman: RIGHT?
16:50.46lardmanyeah, "morning all"!
16:50.49SamPietercrashanddie: that reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObC7S712ghQ
16:50.54Luke-Jr☺
16:50.56Luke-Jrmorning, lardman
16:51.05lardmancan't see that, not having unicode and all
16:51.08pupnikmytube broken for anyone else?
16:51.17Luke-Jrlardman: fail
16:51.23crashanddieSamPieter: hehe... I'm about 50 feet from Waterloo :P
16:52.07SamPieteryou are?
16:52.14lardmanLuke-Jr: too new-fangled for me
16:52.28Luke-JrUnicode is what? at least 10 years old by now
16:52.28SamPieterhad a great leugh when they got scared from the sound of the cannons
16:52.34crashanddie"Unknown meaning for error number -1642; Please call a Novell support provider" <-- That's just making errors profitable
16:52.55lardmanLuke-Jr: as I said :)
16:53.33Luke-JrUnicode 1.0.0 is dated 1991
16:53.41Luke-Jrso 18 years old
16:53.45Luke-Jrit's an adult now
16:53.46Luke-Jr:þ
16:54.06crashanddiebut it still gets raped all over the internet
16:54.19crashanddiemostly by bolding americans
16:54.25crashanddiebalding**
16:54.29ArSa_tis
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17:05.51lardmanopens a beer
17:05.55lardmanoffers some around
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17:07.28johnsqHi
17:10.17lcuklardman, oh yessssssssssssssssss please
17:10.30lcukreally needs one
17:10.47lardman:)
17:10.54lardmanmmmm, beery and cold, mmmm
17:11.03lardmanhi johnsq
17:11.07lcukbrb bud in fridge lol
17:11.10darkHow i can install nmap
17:11.33lardmanapt-get install nmap
17:11.34lardman?
17:11.36Corsacis bud really a beer?
17:11.47lardmanyuck, what's wrong with you lcuk! ;)
17:12.00lardmantoo sweet for my liking, am imbibing a Becks
17:12.26lcukits cold and in bottle form
17:18.24mgedminsips his earl grey tea
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17:22.19GeneralAntillesToo hot for tea.
17:22.20johnsqany nice photo-frame software for n810?
17:22.44lbtjohnsq: not yet AFAIK... it's on my todo list
17:22.46GeneralAntillesneeds to harass Chad.
17:22.46SamPieterqwerty12_N810: your helpful link tells me to do some stuff with a file on a linux box
17:22.50SamPieterwhich I do not have
17:23.14SamPieterwhat else can I do?
17:23.37lcukjohnsq, you mean a poto slideshow tool
17:23.44lcukor including uploads/downloads
17:23.53lcukphoto
17:24.02johnsqlcuk: only photo slideshow
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17:24.26lcuktheres plenty for slideshows - even default desktop stuff should work
17:24.38qwerty12_N810SamPieter: Choose a city in your timezone? =)
17:24.46lcukbut a photoframe where you have to keep screwing with settings in the console isnt useful lol
17:24.47SamPieterheh
17:25.04johnsqlcuk: but none, like a photo-frame, only random slideshow
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17:25.30johnsqlcuk: I want also directory and photo frontend.
17:25.32lcukdoesnt canola have slideshow
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17:27.07johnsqmmm feh has also a thumbnail mode, i will try it.
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17:27.46wiretappedfeh is great
17:28.16wiretappedfor flipping through a large collection of images very quickly
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17:28.52johnsqwiretapped: yes i thought it runs only automatic, has no interactive mode
17:29.06mgedminthings feh is a poorly-chosen name of low googlability
17:30.32rkirtifeh reminds me of the physicists top-rated articles about being  f-e-h smart (feynman-einstein-hawking)
17:33.26johnsqdirectory up and directory selecting is missing in feh thumbnail mode.
17:34.58wiretappedWOW, a java x86 emu: http://www-jpc.physics.ox.ac.uk/home_home.html
17:35.36qwerty12_N810I would click but I kinda need Firefox not to crash...
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17:38.05lcukkotcomix does images
17:38.11lcuktho its not featureful yet
17:39.10lcukshortest tea on record
17:39.52johnsqthere are no much features needed, slideshow and index/thumbnail modus, zoom and rotate, and everything touchscreen friendly.
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17:41.12lcukthen you have the bulletpoints for your app, choose a toolkit, make johnsqview and you win
17:41.31lcuk(or make your own lol)
17:42.10johnsqlcuk: yeah, but I have already 10 started and incomplete projects, i must first finish something before i start something new.
17:42.26lcukthen shurrup waffling on irc and get on with it
17:43.03lcukwiped the slate almost clean the other night
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17:50.46FirebirdCan anyone test these two files ( http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a1f40f98350b96e2a8460430cf93834be04e75f6e8ebb871 ) for me? Specifically the Menu->Internet Game->Change nickname dialog
17:50.57FirebirdI can't get keyboard input to work on any qt dialogs
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17:52.11Firebirdhopes for someone to be glancing at IRC while working in the maemo5 SDK :o
17:54.48konttorilcuk: pong
17:57.11lcukkonttori, hiya \o pm waiting
17:57.29konttoriwaiting for what?
17:57.35lcukyour response
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17:59.14plastunhello, I when I try to copy any file from Tablet to Desktop via USB connection using scp command, I get error: 'port 22: connection refused'. What's wrong?
18:00.15johnsqplastun: have you started the ssh server on the tablet, when you type scp on your desktop computer?
18:01.04plastunsshd daemon working
18:01.27plastunbut scp from Desktopt ot Tablet working
18:02.26johnsqplastun: you want to use scp on the tablet and copy to the desktop pc?
18:02.32plastunyes
18:03.15johnsqplastun: than sshd server on your pc must be running. firewall on pc?
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18:05.07plastunoh. yes
18:05.10plastunthnks
18:06.45GeneralAntillesGoddamn 5800 doesn't have the alpha letters on the dialer. . . .
18:08.18Stskeepsyawns and ponders making coffee
18:08.29VDVsxhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/24/nokia-n900-puts-on-makeup-does-hair-for-leaked-press-shot/
18:09.03VDVsxdifferent theme ?
18:09.52plastunwhat GTK engine is native for N900? for N800, 810 it is sapwood
18:10.00Stskeepsgo look in SDK?
18:10.34GeneralAntillesChad's fucking voicemail is full.
18:10.46VDVsxStskeeps, errr, sometimes the SDK lies :P
18:11.26StskeepsVDVsx: ah, yeah, your bluemaemo stuff
18:11.46VDVsxhehe
18:12.00Stskeepsisn't it more like published SDK is out of sync with current internal snapshots?
18:12.01VDVsxkudos to the bluez dev's should be solved ;)
18:12.14Stskeeps(which does happen in beta sw)
18:13.09GeneralAntillesdreams up nasty things for Apple.
18:13.20GeneralAntillesN900
18:13.22GeneralAntillesInteresting
18:14.01Firebird?
18:14.01GeneralAntillesMan that statusbar is the worst
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18:14.07GeneralAntillesFirebird, see VDVsx's link above
18:14.13GeneralAntillesJust interesting to finally have the model confirmed.
18:14.32VDVsxcan be PS :)
18:14.40GeneralAntillesVDVsx, true, but it seems unlikely
18:15.26Firebirdwow, that looks really nice
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18:16.00javispedrohow many sensors this thing has?
18:16.03GeneralAntillesAh, Engadget commenters, how I love you guys.
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18:16.21javispedrobtw, is it known what the "IrDA" one is for?
18:16.27GeneralAntillesjavispedro, LED, ambient light, proximity and VGA camera on the front.
18:16.29GeneralAntillesNo
18:16.42javispedroah, left is on upper corner then :P
18:16.49javispedros/left/LED/
18:16.52GeneralAntillesRather, LED, proximity, VGA, ambient.
18:17.22VDVsxGeneralAntilles, look at the return button, this version has the first one that we saw in the SDK, now the SDK and Eldar shots have a different one :)
18:17.24t_s_ojavispedro: irda? that infrared data
18:17.29qwerty12_N810javispedro: an icon in the SDK shows a blue LED lighting in the bottom left corner
18:17.32lcukthat mockup looks sweeeet - i especially like how the buttons look like original liqbase lol
18:17.51GeneralAntillesqwerty12_N810, Eldar's shots also show the LED.
18:18.34javispedroyeah, I'm talking my ass ;P it must be that blob on the "upper left while in portrait mode" corner.
18:19.07qwerty12_N810GeneralAntilles: interesting, I was paying too much attention to the screenshots...
18:19.23GeneralAntillesI really hope Fremantle can keep up with the hype the press has been generating
18:19.27javispedroscreenshots which tell that it is a multicoloured one at least.
18:19.36GeneralAntillesIt'll be a deathblow for the platform if Fremantle turns out to be an abortion.
18:19.53andre__some stuff WILL suck. i mean, that's with every single platform out there. ;-)
18:20.08andre__i even promise that some stuff will suck. ;-)
18:20.14GeneralAntillesandre__, of course, there's plenty of wiggle room.
18:20.20GeneralAntillesBut it'll turn into a Newton if it sucks too badly.
18:20.34lcuknewton didnt have a BJ port did it?
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18:20.42GeneralAntillesEven though they really turned the platform around with the MessagePad 2000, the stigma the 100-series created prevent it from being successful.
18:20.45GadgetoidWheee!
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18:21.00qwerty12_N810lcuk: somewhere in the back
18:21.19lcukmustv been small then.  trust you to find it
18:21.21Gadgetoid'ello 'ello old friends! I've finally actually bought myself an N810!
18:21.28VDVsxandre__, btw, still testing extras-devel stuff for Fremantle ?
18:22.17andre__VDVsx, always a bit, sure
18:22.56lcukGadgetoid, :) excellent
18:23.19GadgetoidI've been lusting after one for about 2 years, a £130 price tag is too good to pass up
18:23.30lcukhope you have a long and happy life with it.  they are excellent versatile machines.
18:23.52Luke-JrGadgetoid: £130 isn't even close to a good deal anymore
18:24.01GadgetoidIts life might be cut short by Pandora... *might*
18:24.15lcukLuke-Jr, you wouldnt know a good deal if it dropped to its knees and pulled your pants down
18:24.18Stskeepspfft pandora :P
18:24.25Luke-JrGadgetoid: uh, no
18:24.29GadgetoidI know they fire sold from PC World for about £80 in January Luke-Jr
18:24.38Luke-JrGadgetoid: Nokia doesn't even support N810 anymore
18:24.43GeneralAntillesGadgetoid, what, Pandora and not http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml
18:25.05GadgetoidThe whole N900 being a phone thing really turned me off
18:25.09Luke-Jr…
18:25.30Luke-JrGadgetoid: too bad N810 is closed so without Nokia's support the community is left in the water
18:25.40GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, the trolling has to stop.
18:25.47GeneralAntillesLet's call this warning number 1.
18:25.57Luke-Jronly the truth
18:26.20GadgetoidI never thought Nokia's support counted for much anyway, particularly with the community simply writing entire alternate OSes for NITs and ITs in general
18:26.24Luke-Jrif Nokia doesn't want it said, they should provide us specs
18:26.35GeneralAntillesDoesn't have anything to do with Nokia.
18:26.39Luke-JrGadgetoid: yeah, but we lack the specs to support the key features
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18:26.45GeneralAntillesIt has everything to do with me being tired you you spending all day trolling in here.
18:26.50lcukout of the box, the nokia is strong and stable and capable and has a wide range of software for a magnitude of different things.  its very rare a support issue comes up
18:26.57GadgetoidTried reverse engineering? It's like engineering, only in reverse...
18:26.59Luke-JrGeneralAntilles: truth != troll
18:27.05Luke-JrGadgetoid: yeah, a slow process
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18:27.11Luke-JrGadgetoid: working on the battery first
18:27.13GadgetoidIt builds character!
18:27.13lcukLuke-Jr, its not the words, its the attitude that you say them with
18:27.19GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, define it however you wish to define it. Just remember this is warning #3.
18:27.28GeneralAntilless/3/1/
18:29.07Luke-Jrif anything, the real trolling is the supression of the facts with threats.
18:29.14Gadgetoidlcuk is correct, anyway, it's still a solid device out of the box, as interesting as alternate OSes are they will be low on my priority to play with
18:29.30GeneralAntillesLuke-Jr, drop it and move on.
18:29.52X-FadeLuke-Jr: Had you have followed the forums or been to the meetings, you know that Nokia is going to provide us with as much as possible to provide a community image.
18:30.09johnsqMmm out of the box? It seems that i have another definition of good / usable software.
18:30.26Luke-JrX-Fade: I followed the bugs, where the conclusion was just basically "no, we don't support N810"
18:30.42Luke-Jrjohnsq: admittedly, it is useful as a notepad out of the box ;)
18:31.17qwerty12_N810A notepad that is able to go on the internet and do tons of other shit, that is?
18:31.18johnsqLuke-Jr: I played with the notepad, its not touchscreen useable.
18:31.32GadgetoidOkay johnsq, it's fair to say that it'll need a firmware update and some software downloads!
18:31.43Stskeepsis getting fond of conboy.
18:32.01Luke-Jrjohnsq: huh?
18:32.02johnsqGadgetoid: yes, you need a good music player, good video player,,..
18:32.16GadgetoidAnyway, I've tried an N810 before (review loan) and adored it... perhaps I've yet to become jaded!
18:32.24Gadgetoidjohnsq: All part of the fun!
18:32.40qwerty12_N810If that screenshot is not a Photoshop, then we can take the final device name to be "N900".
18:32.43Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: the browser is a joke, IMO; the IM doesn't even work
18:32.45lcukjohnsq, 90% of the time, my devices are used with default games and default browser and default apps
18:32.49johnsqLuke-Jr: I aspect something like xjournal on a touchscreen device, note a notepad.
18:32.56lcukstuff you can pickup and use
18:33.09lcukthey are just left around the house and someone walks up to it
18:33.13lcukand uses it for whats needed
18:33.24lcukeven shitty stuff like calculator etc
18:33.27qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: Not gonna disagree with you on the browser, but it can be used for downloading Tear, at least
18:33.42qwerty12_N810But I have higher hopes for the browser in the Rover.
18:33.58qwerty12_N810browser-ui will be open-source this time around, at least
18:34.00lcukjohnsq, now thats where we agree, i want liqbase on device when you buy it lol
18:34.05johnsqnot possible to take a phote with the original firmware.
18:34.06Luke-JrI bought the N810 mainly for the GPS, which is probably why I'm so annoyed
18:34.15johnsqs/phote/photo
18:34.25GadgetoidHaha Luke-Jr, for the GPS!?
18:34.34GadgetoidIt's all so clear now...
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18:34.54Luke-Jr>_<
18:35.10vasily_pupkinepic fail ^_^
18:35.12GadgetoidDid anyone ever actually get a bluetooth mouse working with an N810, for giggles?
18:35.28Firebirdthey make bluetooth mouses?
18:35.38lcukyeah with green tails
18:35.42GadgetoidYeah, they're small, squeaky, and completely wireless
18:35.45GeneralAntillesWhat do you think Apple uses?
18:35.54FirebirdRF?
18:35.55wiretappedARE WE THERE YET?
18:35.57GadgetoidApple mice communicate using smugness waves
18:36.03GeneralAntillesFirebird, Bluetooth is RF. ;)
18:36.04lcukheh
18:36.12GeneralAntillesBut, yes, they make Bluetooth mice.
18:36.19GeneralAntillesUsed to be that most wireless mice were Bluetooth.
18:36.21GadgetoidI've never been inclined to buy an Apple mice, they're awful... but their keyboards are delicious
18:36.27FirebirdGeneralAntilles, meant the cheapo RF stuff, but meh
18:36.33wiretappedhas had the same not-smart phone for years
18:36.35GeneralAntillesFirebird, yeah, I know.
18:36.37GeneralAntillesLike Logitech.
18:36.41GeneralAntillesWith dongles.
18:36.44GeneralAntillesApple uses Bluetooth.
18:36.47wiretappedis ready for this new device
18:36.53GadgetoidI despise the fact that most wireless mice are now RF and most laptops now contain bluetooth... the solution is to make small RF dongles... WAH!!?
18:37.05GadgetoidIf they insist on going that way, why don't they just build RF into laptops...
18:37.06GeneralAntillesGadgetoid, yeah, I don't get that either.
18:37.36lcukGadgetoid, there might be many with, but theres also many without
18:37.43GadgetoidMicrosoft showed me their Bluetrack RF notebook mouse and I told them "boring! come back when you have a bluetooth version"
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18:37.54GadgetoidYeah, lcuk, the solution is to bundle the mice with a bluetooth dongle
18:38.14GadgetoidOr simply stipulate it as a requirement... granted bluetooth isn't always easy to set up either whereas RF is idiot-proof plug-n-play
18:38.15lcukbut bluetooth stack is heavy and complex and increases support costs
18:38.29lcukcos they have to maintain the entire stack
18:38.37Firebirdalso, dongles are config free
18:39.02GadgetoidSurprises me that some genius doesn't come up with a recessed USB port in notebooks
18:39.17GadgetoidFlip a switch, plug in your dongle, flip it back and it's completely concealed inside the laptop
18:39.27johnsqGadgetoid: use the internal usb port
18:39.29Gadgetoid(patent pending)
18:39.37StskeepsGadgetoid: Touch Book
18:39.43X-FadeThe dongle prevents the usb from sleeping, thus using a lot of energy.
18:39.45Gadgetoidjohnsq: yeah, because that's infinitely more user friendly!
18:40.03FirebirdGadgetoid, then there would need to be a standard dongle size
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18:40.27GadgetoidIt seems peripheral manufacturers should simply license Apple's "Smugness" data transmission chips
18:40.44GadgetoidMost dongles are pretty similar in size
18:40.46MaceN8x0wow
18:40.46MaceN8x0getting up there
18:40.46MaceN8x0luke when does it crash?
18:40.46MaceN8x0heh
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18:45.14X-Fademikkov_: Did the permalinks in the notification mails resolve now?
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18:49.41Luke-JrMaceN8x0: eventually
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19:05.10Firebirdinteresting, maemo5 QT turns colors from green to blue
19:05.50aquatixhm, the other way around would be cooler
19:05.52lcukin the scratchbox install?
19:06.36Firebirdyea, maybe I forgot to close a styling tag
19:06.53Firebirdit also makes the font HUGE :/
19:07.00lcukthe scaratchbox xephyr thing has an issue where colors are inverted
19:07.04Firebirdah
19:07.19lcukor wrong rather
19:07.58lcukso dont go fixing your code to compensate lol, or you will have it wrong on hardware when it comes lol
19:08.23Firebirdheh
19:08.47Firebirddo dialog boxes not work or something? I can't get qt to pop any up
19:08.56lcukdunno
19:09.00lcuksee qt for that
19:09.10lcukits not officially supported so there may be bugs
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19:10.46keesjanybody played with pyside yet?
19:11.24lbt:)
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19:12.07Firebirdhmm, is the panel thing that pops up from the bottom hildon gtk dialog boxes?
19:12.44lcukno keesj certainly looks interesting
19:12.52lcukand you are smiling happily lbt lol
19:13.03lcukFirebird, assume so, but without seeing cannot tell
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19:13.30javispedroFirebird, the weird xephyr colors bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 (vote for it if you want) ;)
19:13.55javispedroit does not only affect sdl now...
19:14.22Firebirdah, thanks javispedro
19:14.45X-Fadekeesj: pyside is building on the autobuilder now. So it should be in extras-devel soon(ish)
19:16.11GadgetoidI want Maemo 5 on my netbook, whee!
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19:17.18X-FadeGadgetoid: Do you think the interface would make much sense without the touchscreen?
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19:17.40GadgetoidX-Fade: Touchscreen mod isn't so hard though
19:25.40X-FadeGadgetoid: And at 10" one really wants 3000x1200px orso ;)
19:26.33X-FadeBeautiful fonts...
19:26.47lcukwant multiples of 800*480 :P
19:26.53lcukusing same 225+dpi screen
19:27.28X-Fadelcuk: Yeah, well 200+ at least..
19:27.49lcuki cant look at only 200 any more
19:27.54lcukhurts my eyes :P
19:28.12GeneralAntillesI want 300dpi at least.
19:28.14X-FadeWell, new device should help then :)
19:28.52lcukyeah, its got slightly higher dpi than 810 doesnt it
19:28.53GadgetoidAt 10" I must say that 1024*600 is pretty depressing
19:29.09GadgetoidI used to have a VAIO picturebook closing on that, and it was 10 years old
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19:29.38X-FadeMy 1920x1280 15.4" laptop screen feels very low res.
19:29.48GadgetoidThat reminds me, Sony haven't got back to me regarding their P series, grumble
19:29.56lcukuses 1280*1024 normally, and 1024*768 on the move
19:29.57GadgetoidI use 1920x1200 on my desktop, haha, at 24"
19:30.13X-FadePixel galore..
19:30.15GadgetoidPlus whatever the hell resolution the 13" MBP runs at
19:30.35GadgetoidBut, yeah, the pixel density of mobile devices absolutely stomps on the nonsense we're used to on desktops
19:31.29pupnikbleh  fps counter nshows lower nhumbers than my eyes say
19:31.48lcukhack it then
19:31.58mikkov_X-Fade: permalinks are still in subject
19:32.11pupniki cant
19:32.24lcukthen trust it lol
19:32.36X-Fademikkov_: But now at least they work, right? :)
19:32.44pupniki think it is right
19:32.55lcuktake less drugs
19:32.57lcukor more drugs
19:33.02lcukwhichever is required so it looks right
19:33.14GeneralAntilles2048*1152 is nice
19:33.15keesjI need some help finding hotel/hostel location in amsterdam for the summit
19:33.19pupnikjust that nobody will be impressed with 10-17 fps, tho rpgs play fine
19:33.41pupniki have a huge list of bookmarks
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19:33.50pupnikwhat pricderange
19:34.25keesjall?
19:34.32GadgetoidHmm, I might have to get a touchscreen kit for my NC10... touch screen Diablo 2 is mighty tempting
19:34.34keesjI guess more the cheap stuff
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19:35.05Gadgetoidengages blag mode
19:35.08pupnikyou want to sleep in a room with 8 partier college backpackers?
19:35.25lcukdo we get to choose gender?
19:36.00keesjit's not for myself . more a list of possible location from cheap to doable
19:36.49pupniki dont have bookmarks on n810 - how bout wiki links
19:37.15keesjlcuk: it; easyer if you you get to choose you own gender
19:37.38lcukthats harder to change mind afterwards
19:37.57lcukits not like you can say "ooops, wrong room"
19:38.08keesjwe currently have http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Accommodation but that's not a lot
19:38.41lcukwho did planning for the copenhagen hackfest
19:39.03Stskeepsi wrote up like 3 hotels that i knew of, and i think nokia ended with one of them
19:39.04keesjor shagg it baby perhaps (works better I guess)
19:39.10Stskeepsactually mozilla guy did
19:39.47keesjlcuk: some smart guys . I was very happy with the maemo-mapper cards and the whole experiance
19:40.17keesjStskeeps: for copenhagen or amsterdam?
19:40.24Stskeepscph
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19:41.02lcukkeesj, it was an example of on a budget all in one - obviously accom couldv been bigger, but that was budget related
19:41.10lcukthey *did* do really well
19:41.22lcukperhaps having a word with them might help
19:45.43keesjhmm
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19:47.25pupniklcuk
19:47.39lcukmm
19:47.44pupnikat what framerate would you say...
19:47.56pupnikit is worth while to skip sdl
19:48.09pupnikabove 20?
19:48.24lcuki dont understand the question really, because different games play differently
19:49.01pupnikhigher fps from emu means  more percent time spent in render
19:49.37lcukok, we are talking about fullscene single rectangle updating
19:49.38lcukwhat res?
19:50.06pupnikhmm
19:50.29lcukwell, what resolution are you rendering
19:50.48pupnik320x200 mostly for dos
19:51.04lcukrecall liqbase at 800*480 can push max 27fps, at 640*480, it can push 33fps, at 400*240 it can go way over 50fps
19:51.06pupniknot much eh
19:51.22pupnikmhm
19:51.27lcukobviously those are lazy updates
19:51.37lcukthe emu work in between is what controls screen refresh for you
19:51.50pupnikyeah - push
19:51.50lcukthat work you cannot get away from
19:52.18pupnikwould prefer triple buffer with HW page flipping
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19:52.45lcukextra effort, how many fps at you seeing in practice
19:53.02lcukand what would "skip sdl" entail
19:53.36pupnikdos games-- eh 10-30
19:54.26pupnikfast asm copy / conversion from 8-bit palletted to 16-bit 565
19:54.54Macerok
19:54.55Maceri'm home
19:54.58Macerguess it did crash :)
19:55.01Macerwtf is up with that Luke-Jr
19:55.02Macer?
19:55.14Macerit just randomly crashes when building? how lame
19:55.31Maceri'm going to try your bins again
19:55.35Macerwith -K instead of -k
19:55.40GadgetoidMacer: My head esplode.
19:55.55MacerGadgetoid: yeah. that's an n810 for you :)
19:55.58pupnikpreferably with hw fullscreen from 320x200 or 240 (or 320x400 or other strange modes)
19:56.21pupnikbilinear filtered
19:56.33Maceri have to boot it back into gentoo
19:56.35Macerbastard :)
19:56.44pupnikto n00x480
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19:57.43pupniklcuk did you say you could get arbitrary resolutions on display?
19:57.51Luke-JrMacer: it didn't crash; the watchdog rebooted it
19:57.55Luke-Jrexactly liek I said it would
19:58.01Maceroh :-\
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19:58.09Macerwould it have crashed? :)
19:58.15Macerif watchdog was disabled? heh
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19:59.14Maceremerge -gk qt-webkit -a1
19:59.25lcukpupnik
19:59.26lcukyes
19:59.35lcukbut they are yuv surfaces
19:59.46lcukthere was talk of offering rgb surfaces in XV
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19:59.52lcukbut i have not followed this path tho
19:59.57lcuki dont know if it got put in or not
20:00.26MacerLuke-Jr: you said it should say [binary] instead of [ebuild] right?
20:00.48Macer[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1  USE="-debug (-kde) -pch"
20:01.32Luke-JrMacer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag
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20:02.39Macerhm. thought i did. my bad.
20:03.03Macermust have crashed in the middle of doing it haha
20:03.03pupniklcuk you have this -set yuv- code onlines? and some thing i can use for rgb->yuv?
20:03.13Maceryeah. i did already
20:03.15Macerit's unmasked
20:03.16pupniki want to remove any bottleneck in render
20:03.27Maceri added it to USE
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20:03.53pupniksorry for being not present for those things-- i had other issues
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20:04.04lcukpupnik, of course, all code i do is online
20:04.16lcukunderstood :)
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20:04.41lcukproblem is libliqbase current has *shock* removed the default mechanism for choosing screen res
20:04.41MacerLuke-Jr: you sure that's the right name for the pkg? or do i need a full name for it or something?
20:04.47lcukit was a reature i used less than i intended
20:04.51Macerbecause -G isn't finding the bin pkg
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20:06.02lcukpupnik, the rgb->yuv code would be the biggest kicker
20:06.14lcuki could show you a fairly simple standalone yuv project
20:06.17Luke-JrMacer: I said to unmask the KDE useflag
20:06.20lcukand give you direct access to the pixels
20:06.30lcukfor you to see how quick you can do stuff
20:06.37lcukto test
20:06.43Luke-Jrecho -kde » /etc/portage/profile/use.mask
20:06.54lcukand if that works, we can re-insert a function to open a display of different size to screen
20:07.59pupnikya!
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20:08.44lcukok pupnik
20:08.51lcukthere is a liq* project in extras devel
20:08.54lcukits called liqtorch
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20:09.10lcukit is perhaps the simplest liq* app available
20:09.18lcukafterall, its a white screen :)
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20:09.36Firebirdhurray, finally, something to turn my tablet into a flashlight
20:09.47lcuk:)
20:09.53pupniki try to get increase w/o reschange
20:10.14lcukwell
20:10.29lcuki doubt you will transplant the whole working thing into your project in one go - walk before run
20:10.39lcuksee how feasible it is converting image from rgb to yuv first
20:10.40Maceremerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit".
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20:10.47lcuki know its not gonna be fast
20:10.59Macerrestless portage # cat /etc/portage/profile/use.mask
20:10.59Macer-kde
20:11.13lcukbut whether the work to do that for such a low res sceen is better than using sdl
20:11.17lcukis the question
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20:12.31lcukbtw, if theres anything wrong with liqtorch could someone let me know/have a go at fixing self :)
20:13.02lcukhaving a decent good stable "hello world" would help for the other packages later - its all from a template
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20:13.58GeneralAntillesFirebird, need something to toggle the LED, flash, and screen on/off.
20:14.14GeneralAntilleslcuk, not GTK
20:14.29lcuk? who said gtk
20:14.53GeneralAntillesI did
20:15.01lcukwhat about it
20:15.04GeneralAntillesI don't want to load up a custom UI for a flashlight.
20:15.31lcukbut its the fastest damned flashlight on maemo!
20:15.33lcuk:D
20:15.44lcukinfact, its the ONLY damned flashlight on maemo
20:15.56javispedroyeah, it refreshes the flashlight at nearly MAX_INT frames per second!!!
20:15.56lcukso you can sit in the dark
20:16.01lcukwhilst others step into the light
20:16.04Firebirdused a 800x480 white image before
20:16.12lcukahhh custom hack job
20:16.26lcukjavispedro, worst part about such a simple app - it had a bug!
20:16.29lcukwhite was not white
20:17.03lcukGeneralAntilles, so you have never used canola nor used any of the qt stuff , nor gpe (i think) nor any of the palm stuff?
20:17.12Firebirdhmm, what does the gear button do
20:17.24lcukprobably breaks it in that version
20:17.50lcukit should drop down the context help and sketch pad and stuff
20:17.59lcukbut theres a clanger in there
20:18.07GeneralAntillesGPE is GTK
20:18.08MacerLuke-Jr: wow like everything takes 30 minutes of editing files and unmasking a ton of shit
20:18.13GeneralAntillesQt is now mostly native.
20:18.17GeneralAntillesYes, I've used Canola
20:18.23GeneralAntillesBut Canola is not a flashlight application.
20:18.27FirebirdMacer, autounmask!
20:18.30lcukno, it should be though!
20:18.31GeneralAntillesActually, ideally, a flashlight should be an applet.
20:18.39lcukgsoc students should toil until canola is a flashlight
20:18.51lcukit is an applet
20:18.53derfOpen up a text editor to a blank document and maximize it.
20:18.53Macer!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/automoc-0.9.87" have been masked.
20:18.54GeneralAntilleslcuk, I really don't feel like arguing about your pet project, though.
20:18.57lcukit wil sit happily in liqbase-playground
20:18.59MacerFirebird: can you do that? :)
20:19.03lcukits not gan
20:19.06derfI've actually done that while trying to fix my car in the dark before.
20:19.06GeneralAntillesYes, I get that you love it, but no, everybody doesn't share your utter excitement.
20:19.07lcukits a 20 minute quick thing
20:19.10lcukto prove a point
20:19.13GeneralAntillesderf, LED flash.
20:19.16FirebirdMacer, yea, there's a utility called autounmask in portage
20:19.27derfGeneralAntilles: I had a flashlight in the glove box, but the batteries were dead.
20:19.39GeneralAntillesderf, no, on the N900.
20:19.46lcukEVERYBODY needs a flashlight on phone at some point
20:19.52GeneralAntilleslcuk, nor do I want to replace Hildon Desktop with liqbase.
20:19.53derfI've got one in there now that you can wind up.
20:19.56javispedroare you discussing with flashlight application is more feature-full or lightweight?
20:19.57Firebirdmake a laser next
20:20.03javispedros/with/which/
20:20.04lcukwho hasnt crawled on knees with a dim phone screen
20:20.07Luke-JrMacer: [15:10:41] <Macer> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit".
20:20.10Luke-JrMacer: wtf did you do
20:20.14Macer-G
20:20.16Macerinstead of -g
20:20.23GeneralAntillesjavispedro, I'm discussing why I don't want to see everything implemented in the liqbase framework.
20:20.34Luke-Jrooo
20:20.35lcukjavispedro, i dont know what GeneralAntilles is discussing, hes been a grump for a while now
20:20.41Luke-JrMacer: you might need to unmask KDE too ☺
20:20.45lcukand not at all community spirited
20:20.51Luke-Jrsorry, my qt-webkit is KDE-based
20:20.52Luke-JrXD
20:21.08Macer- kde-base/automoc-0.9.88 (masked by: missing keyword)
20:21.14Maceri can't get that one unmasked
20:21.21GeneralAntilleslcuk, :roll:
20:21.24Maceri don't know where i'm losing it but i checked package.keywords and can't figure it out
20:21.36lcukGeneralAntilles, this is linux, where letting variation and difference thrive
20:21.46lcukwhere we have multiple valid desktops and CHOICE
20:21.54GeneralAntilleslcuk, that doesn't mean every variation is desirable or useful for everybody.
20:22.02lcukand so dont download it
20:22.09GeneralAntillesI'd prefer a desktop applet that doesn't involve a liqbase framework.
20:22.12GeneralAntillesThat's my only point.
20:22.19lcukthen write one
20:22.33GeneralAntilleslol
20:22.39lcukwhy would it need to be on the main desktop btw
20:22.40GeneralAntillesgoes to do something productive.
20:22.43lcukdo you sit in dark that often
20:22.55javispedrothe flashlight example is such a bad one... I'd prefer a native one, directly implemented in the LCD controller.
20:23.00GeneralAntillesBecause when you need a flashlight, you need it quickly.
20:23.10GeneralAntillesYou don't need to spend a bunch of time launching the flashlight application.
20:23.17lcukyeah - before now, you had to open a paint program, serlect a color
20:23.23lcukpaint over all the bits
20:23.32lcuk"bunch of time"
20:23.42lcukliqbase apps start quicker than anything else
20:23.46javispedroI guess he means loading time, but last time I tried liqbase was not very slow to launch.
20:23.53GeneralAntilleslcuk, get back to me when you can move past the personal insults and pettiness.
20:24.01MacerARGH
20:24.04lcuk?
20:24.05Macerbangs his fucking head on a desk
20:24.10GeneralAntillesjavispedro, anything that's not an applet takes time to launch.
20:24.13Macer!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=kde-base/automoc-0.9.87" have been masked.
20:24.21GeneralAntillesGotta bring up the app menu, open it, toggle the light on.
20:24.30GeneralAntillesI want a little switch on the desktop that toggles the LED flash on and off.
20:24.32Maceris there seriously an autounmask? :)
20:24.36FirebirdMacer, yes
20:24.43Macerthat would be nice to have considering you have to unmask everything to work right on this heh
20:24.43lcukif you need it that often, just set your desktop background to white
20:24.45lcukall the time
20:24.55MacerFirebird: awesome
20:24.59lcukGeneralAntilles, i dont see where im insulting you?
20:25.01Maceri'll try that out instead of trying to do it manually
20:25.09Macer!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "app-portage/autounmask" have been masked.
20:25.11Macerhahaha
20:25.14Firebirdnice
20:25.29Firebirdyou killed gentoo >_>
20:25.47Macerno
20:25.57Macerall the stuff is masked for arm
20:26.12Macereverything requires adding it to some sort of unmasking file
20:26.19lcukanyway pupnik, the flashlight is a good enough hello world to confirm if using it as a base for your emu stuff is viable
20:26.20Firebirdah
20:26.59Macerall this just to install a browser haha
20:27.25Macer- app-portage/autounmask-0.27 (masked by: missing keyword)
20:27.32Macerwtf. i don't know wtf the "missing keyword" is
20:27.35Macerseriously
20:27.38lcukhang on, GeneralAntilles you installed it!
20:27.42lcuki thought you said you wouldnt
20:27.48lcukelse how would you know it needed toggling
20:28.08FirebirdMacer, did you add =app-portage/autounmask-0.27 **
20:28.12Firebirdto package.keywords
20:28.23lcukall you need is the desktop menu app starter thingy
20:28.30lcukand you can have a button on your desktop
20:28.31Maceri didn't know you had to add stuff like that to package.keywords
20:29.04Maceris the ** to unmask everything?
20:29.45FirebirdI think it unmasks the flags for the package
20:30.15Macerwow
20:30.21Maceri thought it was just really for arch problems
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20:30.29Macerdidn't know i could use a ** for it :)
20:30.34Macerchanges everything to **
20:30.35Macerhaha
20:31.08Macer[binary  N    ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.4  USE="qt4 -emacs -vim-syntax"
20:31.12Firebirdnice
20:31.15Macer[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1  USE="kde -debug -pch"
20:31.26Macerqt-webkit is still picking up as an ebuild
20:31.35Firebirdthe ( ) are gone I guess
20:31.51Maceri wonder what vers he has
20:32.06Macerqt-webkit-4.5.1.tbz2
20:32.08Macerweird
20:32.11Macerlet me try with -G
20:33.14Maceremerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit".
20:33.18Maceroh blah. fuck this for now
20:33.21Macergoing to take a shower
20:33.24Maceremerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "x11-libs/qt-webkit".
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20:34.15Macerrestless portage # emerge -Gk =x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.5.1 -a1
20:34.19Macerlet me try that before i go :)
20:34.55Macernope. fail
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20:37.29pupnikty lcuk -
20:38.20jhfordis there any difference between issuing 'reboot' and 'init 6' on maemo devices?
20:38.27lcukif you can get it building and stuff ill run over how close to the metal you can get
20:39.00javispedroi was planning to use liqbase too to abstract xv for me, but I think rgb->yuv is dealkiller here :(
20:39.12lcuktheres 2 sets of functions, one is v low level and the other is scaled so render ops occur
20:39.23lcukyeah javispedro its why ive not pushed too much
20:39.34lcukbut at your low resolutions it might be feasible
20:39.42pupnik<PROTECTED>
20:39.58javispedrodynrec the xversion?
20:40.02lcuki couldnt get any omapfb 256 color screen
20:40.04pupnikconversion
20:40.06lcukwhich is why i went xv
20:40.08javispedroa
20:40.11lcuki wouldv been happy in greyscale
20:40.36lcukand was for a long time :)
20:40.42javispedroI didn't find any paletted mode in the lcd controller
20:40.45pupniki will be happy when omap2420 is history
20:40.50pupnikright
20:41.39pupnikhmm.  weak, dizzy.  means need food  bbl
20:41.39javispedroyeah. I also want the 3D drivers so badly, even if nothing can be done with them.
20:41.49lcukeven if its history now, the lessons learnt here and extreme optimizations you guys put in now will only help further in the future
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20:42.36MrGooselcuk: liqreader doesnt open files. Just the one that has all those spelling mistakes :D
20:42.43lcukprobably
20:42.45lcukits only a test
20:42.56MrGooseokay. Its supposed to do that :D
20:43.06lcukyeah - im a coder not an english majot
20:43.07lcukr
20:43.09lcuksee
20:43.20lcukyou in the new playground, or original liqbase
20:43.21MrGooseIm just kidding.
20:43.27lcukcos original should allow selection of .txt files
20:43.32lcukand that works
20:43.41lcukcos up until really recently i used it every day :)
20:43.57MrGoosehmmm... I think I tried the playground and am looking at the original code
20:44.05lcukstrange combination
20:44.06lcuklol
20:44.13lcukyour mind will prolly explode
20:44.24MrGooseI'll try the original application then
20:45.18MrGoosewhich ones better? the playground or the original app?
20:45.30lcukthe playground is not in extras because its not complete
20:45.37lcukits not an application
20:45.50lcukand more a set of ideas - theres about 50 individual distinct widgets in it
20:45.59lcukthe application is coming soon :)
20:46.05MrGooseoh okay
20:46.13lcuki had to use all the pieces to actually confirm the library was strong
20:46.15MrGooseso what do I use? liqbase or liqbase_playground
20:46.42lcukto use, liqbase, to play and have a look at 3d ui on your 810, go into the playground
20:47.10MrGooserighto
20:47.14lcukall of the pieces in the playground are plugins :)
20:47.24lcukand will be available in small standalone apps
20:47.46lcukbut then when run in the playground will integrate together into a cohesive system (hopefully)
20:48.01MrGooseI really liked the torch application :D
20:48.08lcukimprove it then
20:48.16lcukits small and still lacking polish
20:48.25javispedroluck: liqbase needs windowed mode :)
20:48.27lcukie icon and descriptions and styling
20:48.42lcukjavispedro, liqbase in windowed mode is possible :)
20:48.50lcukbut the mouse ops would currently break
20:49.02lcukerrr - be wrong - aspect ratio bugs
20:49.22lcukits only 1 switch in the app for windowed/fullscreen and probably a tweak in the mouse code
20:49.25lcukbut i cant be arsed
20:49.28lcuki like fullscreen
20:49.38lcukhas many other things to do
20:50.26javispedrobecause it may be easier to do "iphoneish"/"fremantleish" animations in it than using clutter
20:50.40javispedro+gtk
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20:51.37Woollyhowdy hotdawgs
20:52.44lcukjavispedro, very likely, but its also still very young
20:52.55lcukand theres a lot of work remaining
20:53.04FireFox16hello, woolly
20:53.14javispedrothere's work everywhere, that's usually a good signal :)
20:53.18lcuk:)
20:53.33WoollyFireFox16: salutations
20:53.35lcukand ive probably made some huge cockups!
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20:59.11lcukjavispedro, #liqbase is where most discussion goes on nowadays :)
21:00.02javispedro:) still using gtk here tho. (stealing code from even gnome cause even showing a listbox is hard)
21:00.30lcukyeah
21:00.51lcukgtk is nice and stable :)
21:01.10javispedrobut even more verbose than java. and java is _very_ _very_ verbose.
21:01.25lcukhah
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21:08.35message144Hi... Does anyone know if Maemo 5 on Nokia n900 will have Thunderbird Address Book syncronization support for Ubuntu?
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21:13.49message144Also, does anyone know if maemo5 on the n900 for TMobile will be crippled or locked down from having root access?
21:13.54javispedroit would be a surprise if it's able to sync with nokia's windows software, so I guess not.
21:14.33qwerty12_N810javispedro: ke-recv in trunk has a "pcsuite_enable.sh" script which inserts "g_nokia"
21:15.08javispedroqwerty12_N810, wow! good to know :)
21:15.55javispedroeven though wasn't the nokia protocol serial based? why implement it in the kernel?
21:16.19qwerty12_N810It'd pretty much be a fail if a Nokia phone was unable to use PC Suite :p
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21:16.36qwerty12_N810Maybe they just wanted some USB gadget love
21:16.55javispedroah, separate usb descriptors. makes sense.
21:17.06message144Does the nokia windows software have some kind of vcard/csv import?
21:17.35qwerty12_N810wonders who'll do "g_itunes" a la Palm Pre ;)
21:17.58javispedrowe discussed it once here, shouldn't be hard.
21:18.07pupnikcan tell time by jupiter now
21:18.52qwerty12_N810Guess not, a quick modification of g_file_storage would suffice... (Does iTunes support iPods in mass storage mode?)
21:19.17javispedroafaik all ipods are mass storage mode, only with some custom commands
21:19.27qwerty12_N810Ah, right, thanks :)
21:19.50javispedrodon't take my word tho, I don't have one ;)
21:20.17qwerty12_N810Heh, me neither...
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21:38.06darkJajajaja i have hping3 and nmap how i can install more pentest tool into my maemo
21:38.11darkAnyone knows
21:38.54GeneralAntilleswould be incredibly surprised if the T-Mobile N900 did have root access.
21:39.17lardmanthere's a T-mobile N900?
21:39.45lardmanqwerty12_N810: my wife has an ipod and I have windows, I might give it a go one day
21:40.05qwerty12_N810Heh
21:40.11darkWhen did n900 go out the market
21:40.12GeneralAntilleslardman, apparently.
21:40.18GeneralAntillesThat's what the FCC filing was for.
21:40.21lardmanI dislike/distrust iTunes though
21:40.29lardmanGeneralAntilles: ah, ok
21:40.30GeneralAntillesdark, announcement should be on September 2nd.
21:40.48darkOk
21:42.24andre__VDVsx, after a reboot the bluemaemo icon is shown. missing post-install?
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21:43.10VDVsxandre__, nop, but can be incompatible with fremantle
21:43.24andre__hmm
21:43.50andre__VDVsx, not the only app with that problem - see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4983
21:44.57lcukandre__, is there a generic solution to this
21:45.01lcukif its on multi apps
21:45.06lcukmaybe a wiki page to help :)
21:45.26andre__i have no idea myself about the reason. i just test, triage and report bugs :)
21:46.11lcukhopefully your kilt is not standard workwear
21:46.14lcuk:P
21:46.26javispedrothis one bug happens on sdk or on real device?
21:46.43andre__lcuk, no, i normally work naked ;-)
21:46.57andre__javispedro, hardware
21:47.11lcukarghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tmi!
21:47.19qwerty12_N810andre__: please don't report any bugs to do with the camera in that case :)
21:47.40andre__lcuk, *you* asked :)
21:47.51javispedromy mind boggles what could be causing a bug like that
21:48.02lcukjavispedro,
21:48.06lcukwhat, missing icons?
21:48.09andre__javispedro, no clue. but there are applications that do not have that problem.
21:48.09darkExist on nokia n810 a video recorder
21:48.15pupnikboggles at yuv
21:48.35javispedrolcuk, yep, missing icons only in real device.
21:48.41pupnikwho invented that.. i bet some ee
21:48.44lcukdont you have to update the icon cache for the folder you installed the icon to
21:48.54lardmandark: not really, there's a camera app that you might modify, but real-time encoding would be hard
21:48.58lcukisnt that the same as 810
21:49.22javispedroandre__, e.g. do you remember if the openttd icon appearead?
21:49.48andre__it did.
21:49.57darkOk
21:50.21pupnikjavispedro - is fps counter on build 0823 accurate?
21:50.31javispedropupnik, it should :S why?
21:51.06lardmandark: possible using the DSP to perform the encoding I imagine, but not a quick task
21:51.19pupniklower numbers than i thought i had in CT - 10-28
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21:51.39javispedroyou mean it feels faster than what the fps counter shows?
21:51.43pupnikbtw 12khz is also good
21:51.56pupnikyes, maybe due to continuous music
21:52.01javispedroI had that feeling too
21:52.13javispedrowell, I _have that feeling..
21:52.21pupniki also
21:52.32pupnikmaybe due tto small screen
21:52.42javispedroi call it the pda effect
21:52.44javispedro:P
21:52.49lcukpupnik, yuv is an ideal solution to video.  chroma is less important to the eyes
21:52.59javispedrodon't know why, but 15fps videos in palm t|x seemed normal to me.
21:53.00lcukand so you lower the res and bobs your uncle
21:53.09javispedrowhile horrid on desktop.
21:53.22pupnikmhm
21:54.36pupnikit might be a good idea for 640x480 dosbox lcuk
21:54.48andre__javispedro, grmpf. installed openttd again here. icon is now not directly shown either
21:54.52lcuktheres lots of possiblities pupnik
21:54.56andre__i prefer to blame nokia.
21:55.09lcukif you are serious enough to get atarted ill try to help and show you what works well etc
21:55.30javispedroandre__, :O i had just purged everything, restarted hildon, then installed it the usual way to test and it apperead
21:55.36javispedro(fremantle_x86)
21:55.43lcukandre__, thats curious
21:55.45javispedroblue box then?
21:55.51andre__yes
21:55.56lcukperhaps the thing which is meant to scan for icons is guffed up
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21:56.05lcukie got stuck in some state
21:56.09andre__let me reboot
21:56.10lcukwhere it no longer checks for refreshes
21:56.18javispedromaybe they renamed the theme folder to /usr/share/icons/symbian instead of /usr/share/icons/hicolor and forgot to tell ;P
21:56.25lcukif you are sure it worked in the past
21:56.29lcukand you havent had system updates
21:56.40lcukhaha
21:56.47qwerty12_N810Maybe they corrected their spelling mistake and renamed it to colour ;)
21:56.52lcuk:D
21:56.58lardman+1
21:57.05javispedrothat would be a years old spelling mistake
21:57.17lcukwhats finnish for colour?
21:57.56lcukis betting something like tana_fi_color
21:58.08lcukbased on the internals of maemo :D ;)
21:58.31lardmanväri
21:58.32andre__javispedro, openttd icon shown after reboot
21:58.43lcukuninstall/reinstall?
21:58.55javispedropupnik, i am comparing at this very moment snes9x pc with 10/60 and drnoksnes with 10/60 and truly drnoksnes looks more fluid
21:59.58lcukjavispedro,
22:00.06pupnikgimme src lemme play!
22:00.08lcukwhat would happen if you took off 10% of the lines
22:00.33javispedrobut both look sluggish and unplayable at 10fps
22:00.33pupniksomeday :)
22:00.57pupniki give you gp2x nes :)
22:00.59javispedroit's just that even though the n8x0 is frameskipping like craze it still gives that movement sense.
22:00.59lcukwould the lowering of rendering 10% of pixels work
22:01.03lcukand still be usable
22:01.25javispedrolcuk, actually, windowed 2x means cutting around the lower 10%
22:01.38javispedrowhy you ask?
22:01.50lcukcos thats how i use vnc from work
22:01.54lcuki have to scale it down
22:02.02lcukand there was a noticable bandwidth drop
22:02.05lcuk:)
22:02.21lcukis just trying to see other ways to help
22:03.12JaffaAnyone ever tried importing photos into Contacts directly from your Facebook's friends' profile pictures?
22:03.27pupnikgonna close ssh to test more performance - address me if you want me to see what u say
22:03.38javispedroi am seeing that forcing frameskip 5 (10fps) makes most games sleep (mario kart uses around 40% of cpu time) , that'd help with battery.
22:04.04lcukhow are the bitmap writes performed
22:04.11lcukdo they work on a pixel by pixel basis
22:04.26lcukwhen converting from internal game framebuffer to omapfb
22:04.34javispedroxshm
22:04.40javispedroi don't know how that works internally.
22:04.53lcukyeah,m but what takes the 256color game framebuffer and puts that onto the omapfb
22:05.00lcukis that single pixel at a time
22:05.07javispedronag, the game framebuffer is 16bit
22:05.18lcukcomaptible surfaces?
22:05.21javispedrothe snes does some heavy blending, transparencies, can't be done in 8 bit
22:05.22lcukor conversion required
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22:05.36lcukneat
22:05.40javispedroconversion, the original tiles are paletted, the palette is precalculated in nokia rgb565
22:05.55javispedrothe blendings/transparencies are then done in rgb565
22:06.25javispedro(i didn't write that :P )
22:07.57javispedrolol, i need to put the = Depends in the fremantle openttd.
22:08.32javispedroit crashes the hard way when an incompatible data package is installed :P
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22:30.08darkExist a firewall for maemo
22:32.34darkIm searchimg a firewall for n810
22:33.41darkAnyone knows
22:33.58nomiswhy are you looking for a firewall?
22:34.45darkBecause recently i has been poisoned
22:35.05nomis"poisoned"?
22:36.26darkYes arp poisoning
22:36.55darkAll my comunication was sniffed
22:37.17Woollyyour connection was not encrypted?
22:37.25lcuka firewall stops that does it?
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22:37.56nomisit does?
22:37.58darkNot woolly
22:38.19lcuknomis how can a firewall stop you being sniffed
22:38.23lcuksniffing is usually mitm
22:38.29lcukie beyond your firewall
22:38.37Woollyie encrypt your connection
22:38.39nomisthats why I am asking  :)
22:38.45lcukme too
22:38.49darkNot stop but in these moment you can see what happens
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22:39.18Woollywhat happens to whom, where?
22:39.19darkYes mitm
22:39.40lcukso dark, how would a firewall prevent your data from being sniffed
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22:40.42darkFor example you can see in the logs what its going on
22:40.53darkOr receive alerts
22:40.59lcukalerts mmm
22:41.11lcuki am not aware of any open ports on the n810
22:41.24lcukis there software listening for connections by default?
22:41.25brbrbrgreet all
22:41.27Woollydark: can you encrypt your connection?
22:41.33Woollybrbrbr: hey
22:41.35darkNot
22:41.56lcukdark, a firewall only protects you if you have open ports listening for connections
22:42.06lcukif there is nothing acting as a server on your machine
22:42.10brbrbrWoolly ?
22:42.16darkNo
22:42.17lcukthen a firewall would be as much good as a chocolate fireguard
22:42.23Woollybrbrbr: you said greet all, so i said hello
22:42.35brbrbrhi :-)
22:42.37Woollyhah
22:43.27darkSo the only way to alert if exist a change on my route connection its make a script
22:43.47darkAnd run as daemon
22:44.08lcukjust grab a firewall for linux
22:44.10lcukand build it
22:44.13lcukim sure it would work
22:44.23lcukif you are determined then they probably exist
22:44.32lcukand you wont be the first, but most dont care
22:45.09lcukisnt there some low level super duper firewall that you need vi or emacs to configure
22:45.14lcukie, no ui
22:45.32brbrbryeah, netfilter can it
22:45.36Woollywhy would you choose a notification mechanism over a preventative mechanism?
22:45.55lcukcos some people are brought up with norton
22:46.05Woollyspits
22:46.29lcukwhich ironically uses every trick in the virus writers toolkit to embed itself into the system
22:46.56lcukand you pay for the privilege
22:47.13Woollycommon sense is the best way to avoid getting a virus
22:47.25lcuknahhh common sense doesnt work always
22:47.31lcukwe humans are fragile
22:47.36Woollynot when you're dealing with retards
22:47.40lcukand theres a loose chain somewhere along the line
22:47.55lcukeven unix/linux folks can fall for viruses and trojans
22:48.00lcukor get rooted etc
22:48.14lcukhas avg on windows, but no firewall
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22:48.34Woollydoesn't use windows any more
22:48.35Woolly:D
22:48.59lcuki like the xp window manager :) runs all my OSS software better than anything else ive tried
22:49.06brbrbrthats how ALL system SW works, not only firewalls, because API suxx and used mainly to horsepower "smoke and mirror" game
22:49.19darkI prefer linux
22:49.29lcuki prefer linux underneath
22:49.33javispedroman, why all online gtk tutorails I find are for php-gtk
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22:49.42darkBut in my home pc i had zone alarm with nod32
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22:49.47GadgetoidI fell for a virus before, our love was short and sweet, but we had such good times
22:49.58lcukand realistically, if there was a Microsoft sponsored Window Manager that acted like Xp i would buy it in a heartbeat
22:50.12lcuk(for linux)
22:50.17GadgetoidI can't abide XP, it's so freaking inconsistent
22:50.22GadgetoidThat said...
22:50.27lcukWFM YMMV etc :)
22:50.38Woollyi prefer OS X for a good user experience, COWE!
22:50.48radicis there a way to disable the automatic reboot on heavy load without recompiling the kernel?
22:51.03GadgetoidI prefer OSX, but there's things about it that irk me
22:51.09javispedroradic, you probably mean the hardware watchdog?
22:51.12javispedro~R&D
22:51.15lcukradic, r&d mode i believe
22:51.19WoollyGadgetoid: like what?
22:51.20lcukbut its not user friendly lol
22:51.21javispedro~r&d
22:51.27javispedro~R&D!!!!
22:51.29GadgetoidNo path in the file open dialogue for one Woolly, but I've been too lazy to find a hack/fix
22:51.30qwerty12_N810~rd-mode
22:51.31radicjavispedro: yes
22:51.31brbrbrcheck "Windows Fundamentals for legacy PC's" :)
22:51.31lardmanr&d and disable watchdog flag
22:51.49javispedro~burn himself
22:51.50infobotACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
22:51.52lcukhey simon
22:52.00lardmanhi Gary
22:52.11lcukjust nearly flooded house
22:52.14radiclardman: how can I disable it?
22:52.15lcuki blame jaffa
22:52.24WoollyGadgetoid: tried cmd+shift+G?
22:52.38lardmanhttp://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode
22:52.42radicthx
22:52.47GadgetoidWoolly: It's just not the same :(
22:52.52lardmanand add no-lifeguard-reset
22:52.53WoollyGadgetoid: haha
22:52.55lcukwho knows how to teach infobot
22:53.07qwerty12_N810infobot: rd-mode is http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode
22:53.08infobotqwerty12_N810: okay
22:53.25radicafter few houres the device reboots caus heavy load and I dosn't know what makes the load...
22:53.30darkWhat's rd-mode
22:53.35javispedrowhy not weird chars too?
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22:53.36javispedroinfobot, R&D is http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode
22:53.37infobotjavispedro: okay
22:53.37lcuksomething you dont need
22:53.39darkI never hear that
22:53.45GadgetoidWoolly: I typically save files by bunging the whole path into the dialogue box, as much as I hate Vista this is one thing it handles beautifully
22:53.47lardmanradic: try this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki-closed/reportingrebootissues/
22:54.08qwerty12_N810javispedro: I'm used to "rd-mode" as the flasher line is something like "--set-rd-mode"
22:54.22WoollyGadgetoid: I'm not sure I follow, what application?
22:54.43lcukis it rd mode that gives you automatic sudo gainroot type power
22:54.52lcukwithout the "you wannt kill device.." message
22:54.52GadgetoidWoolly: Any and all applications, I quite often navigate the folder structure by typing directory names instead of clicking on them
22:54.59qwerty12_N810lcuk: ja
22:55.36WoollyGadgetoid: okay, but then why do you need the path?
22:55.58GadgetoidWoolly: It's more about having an always-visible box into which I can fire folder names
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22:56.16radicI tryed to find something at the forest in the night but there's no way to sucess without a working device with GPS :(
22:56.31WoollyGadgetoid: ahh right, I see now. The Go To doesn't work because it doesn't auto-insert the current path?
22:56.43WoollyGadgetoid: and it's not persistent
22:56.55lardmannot sure you'll have much luck in a forest anyway tbh
22:56.56lcukradic, i told you, the body was buried 30 paces north
22:57.06GadgetoidWoolly: Indeed, although you can type a folder name into Go To, but if you're shooting through one folder at a time that's a lot of CMD+SHIFT+G presses
22:57.20WoollyGadgetoid: indeed!
22:57.22GadgetoidWoolly: Maybe I just don't work right :)
22:57.34radiclcuk: you told me anything?
22:57.46lcuknm radic :) joke
22:59.16radicwhy is the mouse-point disabled by default?
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23:00.26lcukbbiab
23:00.55lardmanbed time for me, night all
23:01.05radicthe bootreason was sw_rst
23:02.32jophishdoes maemo use /etc/fstab for mounting things, or some funny configuration
23:02.54jophishfor examples, could I change the location of /usr/ and just put the change in fstab
23:02.59javispedrosees marshal_VOID__STRING_UINT_FLAGS_UINT in gtk code and panics
23:05.03radichow are the rd flags seperated?
23:05.11radicby ","?
23:06.05Woollymonday, tuesday, happy days
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