| 00:00.11 | javispedro | (you want to boot from it?) |
| 00:00.12 | derf | on the network is crazy. |
| 00:00.20 | derf | Err, / on the network is crazy. |
| 00:00.46 | AStorm | uh, initramfs? VPN? *caching*? |
| 00:00.53 | derf | I couldn't stand having /home on the network, much less /. |
| 00:00.56 | lardman | night chaps |
| 00:01.01 | AStorm | did I mention I need caching anyway? |
| 00:01.27 | AStorm | master-slave consistency would be enough |
| 00:02.04 | kfx | you probably need to understand that what you're looking for is a streaming media protocol |
| 00:02.45 | AStorm | not really, that's not transparent enough |
| 00:04.02 | kfx | I'm just saying you're going to have a hard time finding a networked filesystem that behaves the way you're describing |
| 00:04.21 | AStorm | that does partial file caching and consistency? please |
| 00:04.41 | AStorm | gfs2 is almost there |
| 00:04.57 | AStorm | the problem is that it requires same-size volumes |
| 00:05.21 | AStorm | (it needs 100% backing store coverage) |
| 00:05.43 | kfx | yeah, I know, I use it |
| 00:06.02 | kfx | it also requires a fast connection |
| 00:07.13 | AStorm | doesn't cache stat data? |
| 00:07.16 | AStorm | ouch! |
| 00:07.39 | AStorm | I know it tries perfect consistency |
| 00:08.10 | AStorm | which I don't need ASAP all the time |
| 00:10.36 | AStorm | codafs might do that, so may afs |
| 00:10.54 | AStorm | (and maybe 9p) |
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| 00:43.55 | zerojayPC | Compilation question with Diablo's scratchbox... |
| 00:44.22 | zerojayPC | Do I really need to install everything to scratchbox, meaning depenencies? |
| 00:44.28 | zerojayPC | Seperately from outside of it? |
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| 00:55.26 | zerojayPC | Anyone awake that can help me with some pkg-config stuff? |
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| 01:16.56 | Macer | wow |
| 01:17.06 | Macer | still building |
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| 01:34.27 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 01:34.31 | xnt14 | Hello XNT, With release 0.6 out the door, it's a good time to check in with you, our loyal Titanium enthusiasts, about charting the road ahead. General availability is around the corner and we'd like to make sure that the features that you want most are prioritized in our development plans for GA and beyond. Help us help you by taking a brief survey that covers the following topics: Titanium Survey * Application Features |
| 01:34.44 | xnt14 | it mentions maemo.......... |
| 01:34.47 | xnt14 | err |
| 01:35.02 | xnt14 | crap........ |
| 01:35.08 | xnt14 | "# Mobile Phones (Pre, WinMo, Moblin, Symbian, Maemo, Blackberry)" email |
| 01:35.33 | xnt14 | titanium for maemo? |
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| 02:13.52 | sarower | Good morning all |
| 02:14.17 | sarower | Can i use background image in a dialog? |
| 02:14.51 | sarower | and customize a button like adding image, changing size and position etc...? |
| 02:14.57 | sarower | any body please! |
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| 03:40.06 | sarower | Can i change the background of a dialog by a color or image? |
| 03:40.12 | sarower | is it possible? |
| 03:40.34 | sarower | I have tried by the following: "gtk_widget_modify_bg(dialog, GTK_STATE_NORMAL, color);" |
| 03:40.50 | sarower | any body? |
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| 03:42.03 | Luke-Jr | sarower: GTK sucks |
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| 03:56.08 | sarower | Luke-Jr: GTK sucks? what it is? |
| 03:57.25 | kfx | sarower: it's religious zealotry |
| 03:59.13 | sarower | kfx: !! |
| 03:59.26 | sarower | :) |
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| 04:14.07 | Luke-Jr | sarower: GTK is what has that function you're trying to use |
| 04:15.12 | sarower | Luke-Jr: i can not understand you! |
| 04:17.02 | Luke-Jr | then learn English |
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| 04:25.14 | esaym153 | Luke-Jr: be nice :) |
| 04:25.26 | Luke-Jr | nou |
| 04:25.31 | esaym153 | :( |
| 04:25.41 | esaym153 | "Then Jesus wept" |
| 04:26.21 | Luke-Jr | "And, yes," he cried. |
| 04:27.27 | zakkmm | since when did this channel talk about jesus -.- |
| 04:27.55 | Luke-Jr | lulz |
| 04:28.01 | Luke-Jr | esaym153 thinks this is #Jesus |
| 04:29.11 | zakkmm | this channe |
| 04:29.48 | zakkmm | eek. accident. |
| 04:30.13 | sarower | can i change the background of a GtkDialog by color or image? |
| 04:30.17 | zakkmm | luke-jr; you use mer? |
| 04:30.23 | Luke-Jr | no |
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| 04:44.43 | Stskeeps | morning |
| 04:48.56 | oilinki | is n900 out yet? or when it will be? |
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| 04:53.02 | Stskeeps | oilinki: no, just leaked, rumours say sep 2 :P |
| 04:53.18 | Stskeeps | at least announcement |
| 04:53.20 | oilinki | Stskeeps: thanks :) |
| 04:55.49 | oilinki | this says it has tv-out. http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml |
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| 04:56.09 | oilinki | how about vga-out? so that the n900 could be hooked on projector? |
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| 04:56.45 | Stskeeps | usb2vga is starting to be more pervasive |
| 04:58.09 | oilinki | I'm thinking of an scenario of going to a meeting for an presentation. connect n900 to the projector and use wiimote whiteboard for controlling and writing to the whiteboard :) |
| 04:59.05 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 04:59.16 | Stskeeps | that requires some degree of calibration and a sensor bar though? ;) |
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| 05:01.39 | Luke-Jr | oilinki: I, in this scenario, I have a presentation for the conference. Whiteboard, whiteboard), n900, wiimote to connect to the projector: Write Control |
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| 05:02.28 | slonopotamus | one whiteboard is usually enough, no? |
| 05:03.32 | oilinki | like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s5EvhHy7eQ working with linux |
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| 05:07.45 | Stskeeps | morning konttori |
| 05:07.51 | konttori | morning |
| 05:07.57 | konttori | sup? |
| 05:08.09 | Stskeeps | konttori: do you know if at fremantle releases there'll be CC SA 3.0 theme templates for Fremantle? |
| 05:08.30 | Stskeeps | release, that is |
| 05:08.31 | konttori | CC SA 3.0? what's that? |
| 05:08.38 | konttori | there will be theme templates |
| 05:08.48 | Stskeeps | read templates people legally can use to make other themes from ;) |
| 05:08.54 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 05:09.03 | konttori | sure. it's cc licensed |
| 05:09.16 | Stskeeps | right now the situation is a bit murky since not even SDK themes are cc licensed :P |
| 05:09.21 | Stskeeps | but i can understand why now :) |
| 05:09.39 | konttori | the theme template in sdk is the one which is cc licensed |
| 05:09.54 | konttori | I have seen the license and based theme maker template on that |
| 05:10.02 | konttori | and theme maker includes the license as well |
| 05:10.07 | Stskeeps | hmm, got a package name? |
| 05:10.31 | Stskeeps | for the template |
| 05:10.33 | Luke-Jr | http://translationparty.com |
| 05:11.00 | Stskeeps | i might simply have overlooked it |
| 05:11.44 | konttori | I don't think the themplate has been released |
| 05:11.58 | konttori | it shows too many details still |
| 05:11.59 | Stskeeps | ah, that explains it :) |
| 05:12.08 | Stskeeps | i'll be eagerly waiting then |
| 05:12.16 | konttori | this is also the reason I haven't uploaded theme maker yet |
| 05:12.56 | Stskeeps | thanks :) |
| 05:13.38 | tigert | huomenta konttori |
| 05:13.47 | tigert | and others |
| 05:13.52 | konttori | tigert: huomenta |
| 05:13.56 | Stskeeps | morning tigert |
| 05:14.11 | konttori | tigert: you haven't published the theme template yet, right? |
| 05:19.37 | Myrtti | ohai all |
| 05:19.43 | Stskeeps | morn Myrtti |
| 05:20.02 | tigert | no |
| 05:20.20 | tigert | i am not working on it currently really |
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| 05:25.35 | tigert | konttori: at work yet? |
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| 05:40.15 | wiretapped | konttori: is hildon-theme-tools being maintained also? |
| 05:40.21 | konttori | it is |
| 05:40.29 | wiretapped | excellent |
| 05:40.29 | Stskeeps | these are published already i think |
| 05:40.50 | wiretapped | thanks again for thememaker btw |
| 05:41.01 | wiretapped | but these days i prefer using dpkg-buildpackage :) |
| 05:43.18 | zerojayPC | Heh... |
| 05:43.26 | zerojayPC | I just tweeted through RTCOMM. |
| 05:43.32 | zerojayPC | Who needs Mauku? lol |
| 05:43.35 | zerojayPC | :D :D :D |
| 05:43.58 | Stskeeps | morning zerojayPC |
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| 05:44.18 | zerojayPC | Morning sir. well... almost 2am here. |
| 05:45.18 | Stskeeps | mm, 7:46am here |
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| 05:48.03 | zerojayPC | I really thought the Twitter plugin I plopped into RTCOMM wasn't working... but I went to play some games and found it was suddenly online and working. :) |
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| 05:48.24 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: Harmattan can only be saner from what i hear :) |
| 05:48.53 | zerojayPC | I just was shocked that people even heard about it. |
| 05:49.08 | zerojayPC | Outside of us, obviously. |
| 05:49.12 | Stskeeps | zerojayPC: it has been announced within circles and rumour sites (there was a screenshot) |
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| 05:49.39 | Stskeeps | http://blueheaven.ws/2009/08/19/alwaysinnovating-touchbook-photo-gallery/ |
| 05:49.42 | Stskeeps | ^ Macer |
| 05:49.56 | zerojayPC | Yeah, I know... but even some friends of mine that know nothing about the tablets aside from the fact that I had one were talking about it at work today and asking to see my N810. |
| 05:50.12 | zerojayPC | All three of them considering dropping iphones for it. |
| 05:50.17 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 05:50.19 | Stskeeps | they probably read engadget |
| 05:50.56 | zerojayPC | likely |
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| 05:55.38 | zerojayPC | Quim just retweeted my RTCOMM test tweet. lol |
| 05:57.13 | Stskeeps | instant fame ;) |
| 05:57.17 | zerojayPC | The way the plugin works is when you come online on Twitter, it just sends you a chat request. A window opens with a bunch of recent tweets. |
| 05:57.36 | zerojayPC | If you say anything in the chat, it's turned into a tweet, |
| 05:57.43 | Stskeeps | not bad |
| 05:58.00 | zerojayPC | And the cool thing about this is that as long as you have the window open, you get new tweet notifications for free. |
| 05:58.10 | zerojayPC | As in, I didn't need to do anything. |
| 05:58.26 | zerojayPC | And when you aren't interested, close the window. |
| 05:58.41 | zerojayPC | Hmm. |
| 06:00.03 | zerojayPC | Gppd c |
| 06:00.06 | zerojayPC | er. |
| 06:00.24 | zerojayPC | Good chance my work is reusable for Fremantle as well, or at least a good starting base for Collabora. |
| 06:01.14 | zerojayPC | Guess I'll go and rename my Facebook chat thread. :) |
| 06:01.40 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: This plug-in to submit a ONRAINTOUUITTA We chat with people working on the request. Window of recent tweets. |
| 06:01.51 | zerojayPC | wha? |
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| 06:02.09 | zerojayPC | Come again? |
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| 06:06.21 | StsN810 | luke-jr's high. and using translationparty.com |
| 06:06.30 | Luke-Jr | :D |
| 06:07.23 | zerojayPC | hah'[ |
| 06:07.59 | zerojayPC | When I add new icons to the default icon theme, what do I have to do to make it work correctly? Recache? |
| 06:08.02 | zerojayPC | Reboot? |
| 06:08.46 | qwerty12_N810 | gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 06:09.13 | zerojayPC | thank you very much. |
| 06:09.52 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: Right, a new icon, the default icon theme, and add me, I do I need? Recache? |
| 06:10.37 | zerojayPC | Luke-Jr: Yes, I very much think need more vodka, comrade, da da da! |
| 06:11.27 | zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: Worked like a charm... can see the nice little Twitter logo now. :) |
| 06:11.31 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: Yes, I think my brother DADADA lots of vodka! |
| 06:11.36 | zerojayPC | Oh, and myspace too. Too bad it's not working yet. |
| 06:12.06 | qwerty12_N810 | zerojayPC: Awesome :) |
| 06:13.56 | sarower | Can i change the background of a dialog by a color or image? |
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| 06:22.36 | tigert | sarower: why? :) |
| 06:22.40 | zakkm | in a /bin/sh script.. how do you get two commands to start together? |
| 06:22.44 | zakkm | && isnt working |
| 06:22.58 | zakkm | i got fvwm && "new line" nm-applet |
| 06:22.58 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: pipe you mean? |
| 06:23.08 | zakkm | and it starts fvwm .. then if i close fvwm .. it starts nm-applet |
| 06:23.10 | Luke-Jr | oh |
| 06:23.10 | tigert | zakkm: && is "do this && do this if the previous succeeds" |
| 06:23.18 | sarower | tigert: I want to change the look of the dialog. |
| 06:23.18 | zakkm | oh right |
| 06:23.20 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: & |
| 06:23.23 | tigert | zakkm: one & |
| 06:23.27 | zakkm | ohh okayy |
| 06:23.29 | zakkm | thankk youuu |
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| 06:23.48 | tigert | & puts whatever to run in the background |
| 06:24.11 | tigert | sarower: the default, pretty and consistent-with-everything-else look is not good? :) |
| 06:25.09 | Luke-Jr | tigert: By default, you must agree with the other methods? ⺠|
| 06:25.51 | sarower | tigert: i understand. but there must have some way to change the look |
| 06:26.09 | tigert | sure |
| 06:26.16 | tigert | with custom gtkrc |
| 06:26.33 | tigert | you can put a color there, or a bitmap |
| 06:26.37 | tigert | either is possible |
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| 06:40.35 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 06:42.15 | Proteous | ehlo RST38h |
| 06:43.07 | RST38h | how are things? first wave of mass merriment passed? |
| 06:43.27 | Proteous | mass merriment comes in waves? |
| 06:43.33 | Proteous | I only get the rip tide version |
| 06:43.34 | Proteous | :/ |
| 06:43.42 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:44.19 | RST38h | hehe |
| 06:45.08 | RST38h | Angels we have heard on high / Teeell us go out and buy!!! |
| 06:45.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Devils! Rob Eldar of his NXX and give it to me! |
| 06:46.07 | RST38h | and wazd tried |
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| 06:50.41 | RST38h | don't panic, base8 is just like base10 really, if you are missing two fingers |
| 06:51.22 | RST38h | forgot how hilarious Tom Lehrer was |
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| 06:58.49 | RST38h | ok, official news are in and they confirm what murtazin says: winmo is dead for now |
| 06:58.59 | Stskeeps | url? |
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| 06:59.15 | RST38h | the corpse will be reanimated at the end of 2010 |
| 06:59.35 | jaska | huh |
| 07:00.20 | RST38h | given their job s |
| 07:00.35 | RST38h | earches, it may be bsd based |
| 07:00.40 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:00.50 | Stskeeps | FreeBSD with mono on top? :P |
| 07:01.03 | Stskeeps | err, .NET |
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| 07:01.13 | jaska | dotnetbsd |
| 07:01.13 | RST38h | ms owns danger now |
| 07:01.27 | |KaE| | Hi all |
| 07:01.43 | jaska | winmo dead in what context? |
| 07:02.31 | Macer | lol |
| 07:02.41 | RST38h | jaska: terminated at 6.5 in october 6.5, minor touch update in feb 2010, then apparently abandoned |
| 07:02.46 | Macer | gentoo is going on 24 hrs |
| 07:03.02 | Macer | it is on gcc now |
| 07:03.03 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 07:03.26 | RST38h | jaska: version 7 due at the end of 2010, based on different codebase |
| 07:03.33 | jaska | ahh |
| 07:09.13 | Macer | wow |
| 07:09.33 | Macer | some day it will be done heh |
| 07:10.04 | RST38h | before after n900 release? |
| 07:10.13 | Macer | maybe i will do like zakkm said and use the console for everything |
| 07:10.21 | Macer | RST38h: maybe not haha |
| 07:10.51 | Macer | i expected it to take this long tho |
| 07:11.06 | RST38h | just cross compile |
| 07:11.06 | Macer | was my own fault heh |
| 07:11.28 | Macer | set up qemu + distcc? |
| 07:11.35 | Macer | :) |
| 07:11.53 | Macer | that would be cool |
| 07:12.02 | RST38h | dunno, i usuallly use host tools |
| 07:12.27 | RST38h | works for my simple build env |
| 07:12.44 | Macer | suprised i havent ran into errors |
| 07:12.54 | Macer | go n810! |
| 07:13.08 | mavhc | so they're porting windows to ARM? |
| 07:13.21 | RST38h | who knows |
| 07:13.31 | Macer | win7 maybe |
| 07:13.50 | RST38h | my guess they just let danger folks do their thing |
| 07:14.03 | Macer | win7 is actually fast compared to vista |
| 07:15.15 | Macer | damn, thought gcc finished :) |
| 07:15.23 | suihkulokki | I think microsofts idea is that everything will be intel-based so they can make win7-x86 phones in future |
| 07:15.26 | mavhc | they remembered to optimise win7 |
| 07:15.36 | Macer | gcc has been going for 4 hrs |
| 07:15.50 | mavhc | because what I really want in a phone is a built in toaster |
| 07:15.50 | RST38h | suih: dont bet on it |
| 07:15.53 | Macer | mavhc: no, they took out sleeping loops |
| 07:15.56 | Stskeeps | suihkulokki: i'll be looking forward to that nice burning feeling near my chest then, from the heat generated ;) |
| 07:16.14 | Macer | they probably stalled vista on purpose |
| 07:16.22 | mavhc | they wrote vista twice, didn't really finish it the second time, released it anyway |
| 07:16.29 | Macer | so the next one was faster |
| 07:16.32 | RST38h | sts: you can feel it right away with toshiba r500 |
| 07:17.12 | mavhc | x86 chips are just a risc core with an x86 emulator in hardware, just skip the emulator part |
| 07:17.25 | RST38h | sts: it only runs at 1/3 speed unless you enable full speed ffan |
| 07:17.32 | |KaE| | Is there emulators for running maemo applications? |
| 07:17.33 | Stskeeps | RST38h: my next laptop will be ARM. i ssh into machines to do my work anyway |
| 07:17.47 | Macer | haha |
| 07:17.51 | mavhc | RST38h: do they call that their "vista mode"? |
| 07:17.51 | Macer | sue them |
| 07:17.59 | RST38h | sts: and then it starts making vacuum cleaner noises and vent plasma |
| 07:17.59 | Stskeeps | did anyone see the URL i posted above, that someone actually got a touchbook delivered? |
| 07:18.09 | Macer | like the woman who spilled cdonalds coffee on herself |
| 07:18.22 | Macer | and said "it was too hot" |
| 07:18.54 | mavhc | I've got an arm laptop from 1992 |
| 07:19.16 | RST38h | macer: sue whom? intel? =) |
| 07:19.23 | Macer | all of tghem |
| 07:19.42 | Macer | ms, intel, the phone makker, etc |
| 07:20.03 | Macer | someone will pay to prevent bad pr |
| 07:20.04 | zakkm | Macer, you should know better than do what i suggest :D |
| 07:20.10 | Stskeeps | i (thank god) live in a country with a sane judicial system |
| 07:20.16 | Macer | zakkm: lol |
| 07:20.19 | RST38h | next time i will check the laptop out first, like that monkey from a joke |
| 07:20.44 | Macer | zakkm: dude, gcc is going on build hour 5 |
| 07:21.10 | zakkm | im not surprised :P |
| 07:21.19 | mavhc | I got the usb gender changer thing and plugged in a keyboard, are there keyboard shortcuts for stuff? |
| 07:21.19 | Macer | me too |
| 07:21.27 | zakkm | even for desktop , i would try to do updates overnight |
| 07:21.28 | Macer | i saw it in the list |
| 07:21.29 | zakkm | and use it by day |
| 07:21.43 | Macer | and left it alone haha |
| 07:21.56 | zakkm | why you updating gcc? |
| 07:22.04 | RST38h | anyways, back to getting sunstroke |
| 07:22.20 | Macer | zakkm: had to update world and system to fix something |
| 07:22.32 | Macer | gcc was part of world |
| 07:22.41 | Macer | and used -u |
| 07:22.44 | zakkm | whyyd you update world? |
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| 07:23.02 | Macer | because linuxutils and e2fsprogs |
| 07:23.10 | zakkm | you reecompile world.. not update it :P |
| 07:23.12 | Macer | screwed up fsck |
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| 07:23.29 | Macer | in gentoo recompile = update |
| 07:23.37 | Macer | plus i messed up |
| 07:23.37 | zakkm | no |
| 07:23.51 | Macer | used the unstable branch when i started |
| 07:24.00 | zakkm | im mostly sure anyways |
| 07:24.06 | Macer | then moved to stable |
| 07:24.13 | zakkm | if you break something you dont do -u |
| 07:24.43 | Macer | zakkm: i had to degrade pkgs haaha |
| 07:25.06 | zakkm | i feel sorry for you :) |
| 07:25.24 | zakkm | oo yeah did i tell you someone offered to buy my nokia from craigslist? |
| 07:25.37 | Macer | $100? |
| 07:25.43 | zakkm | $145 - n800 |
| 07:25.44 | zakkm | -.- |
| 07:25.46 | Macer | i dont trust cl |
| 07:25.51 | zakkm | canadian though. |
| 07:25.59 | zakkm | lol im selling not buying ;p |
| 07:26.01 | Macer | murderers |
| 07:26.04 | zakkm | lol |
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| 07:26.20 | zakkm | one time i was buying webcam , and i went to work and i replied asking where abouts they are |
| 07:26.21 | Macer | they are going t lure you somewhere |
| 07:26.26 | Macer | and rape you |
| 07:26.36 | zakkm | came back fro mwork at like 10;30, checked email.. they were like we live at ____ |
| 07:26.38 | mavhc | I find it helpful that all the murders are forced to use cl, so we know other services are safe now |
| 07:26.40 | zakkm | it was across the street from my house |
| 07:26.41 | zakkm | literaly |
| 07:26.47 | Macer | hahhahaah |
| 07:26.49 | Macer | woah |
| 07:26.53 | zakkm | so i went in my workclothes im like i live there *point at house with lights on* |
| 07:26.54 | Macer | weird |
| 07:27.11 | zakkm | thats amazing ;p residental too |
| 07:27.16 | Macer | mavhc: theyre not |
| 07:27.18 | Macer | lol |
| 07:27.32 | Macer | i thought cl prostitution was funny |
| 07:27.32 | mavhc | so now they can film your house with your own webcam |
| 07:27.38 | Macer | a netwhore |
| 07:27.51 | zakkm | film my house with my own webcam? |
| 07:27.58 | zakkm | maybe if it was a surveilence camera ;p |
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| 07:28.14 | zakkm | and they can view it anyways at most sites :) |
| 07:28.21 | zakkm | kidding |
| 07:28.28 | Macer | zakkm: naw, only for the podcasted rapimg |
| 07:28.41 | Macer | that would suck |
| 07:29.00 | Macer | podcasted rape victim recorded with own webcam |
| 07:29.11 | Macer | front page gaga |
| 07:29.18 | Macer | haha too, bbl |
| 07:29.25 | Macer | going to watch eureka |
| 07:29.52 | Myrtti | ugh |
| 07:30.09 | Stskeeps | passes Myrtti tea |
| 07:31.18 | zakkm | Macer, i was more referring to R rated sites not podcast :P |
| 07:31.18 | Stskeeps | http://dilbert.com/fast <- heh :) |
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| 07:32.04 | zakkm | Stskeeps, hah nice |
| 07:32.07 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:32.11 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:32.22 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa, X-Fade |
| 07:32.43 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Did the delta get applied, btw? If so, I can build up a list of tmo profiles for Reggie to email... |
| 07:32.55 | Jaffa | s/delta/delta & auto-match/ |
| 07:33.05 | X-Fade | Jaffa: The ones from last week? Yes, same day. |
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| 07:33.30 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah, cool. Can you give me a dump of all the bound tmo profile URLs then, please? |
| 07:33.32 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Follow #maemork ;) |
| 07:33.36 | timeless_mbp | gah, my client got confused |
| 07:33.53 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa / X-Fade , would it be worth mentioning http://maemo.org/profile/list/ in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=313272 ? |
| 07:34.08 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I do, but I've no Qaiku client ;-p |
| 07:34.42 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well Mauku 2.0 on Maemo 5 will solve that problem ;) |
| 07:34.44 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 07:34.49 | timeless_mbp | kicks profile/list |
| 07:35.06 | Myrtti | "ever heard of RSS" |
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| 07:36.03 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: are you familiar w/ http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/maemo-pc-connectivity/ ? |
| 07:36.06 | Myrtti | "I herd you liek maemo so we put an RSS in your maemo so you can watch maemo being done while you use maemo" |
| 07:36.23 | timeless_mbp | Myrtti: where's that from? |
| 07:36.46 | Myrtti | timeless_mbp: I heard you like recursion |
| 07:37.24 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I'm aware of it; had it installed; saw what it did. |
| 07:37.30 | Myrtti | http://www.flickr.com/photos/soawesomeman/3122878080/ |
| 07:37.30 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I think I then uninstalled it |
| 07:37.42 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: did you consider telling the author that his strings don't fit? |
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| 07:37.51 | timeless_mbp | there are screen shots on the web showing htat |
| 07:37.56 | timeless_mbp | s/htat/that/ |
| 07:38.24 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i think it would be IDE integration you'd have to hunt down for that |
| 07:38.33 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Are there? I didn't notice, but I didn't use it much since it was a) undocumented and b) didn't seem to help me much with anything |
| 07:38.43 | Myrtti | anyway, no excuses: http://www.qaiku.com/feeds/channels/maemork |
| 07:39.21 | Jaffa | Myrtti: Anyway, that's Atom - Qaiku doesn't provide an *RSS* feed (I know, cos I have to process that Atom feed into RSS using Yahoo! Pipes to get it included on the sprint page ;-p) |
| 07:39.50 | Myrtti | Jaffa: *shrug* google reader etc. |
| 07:40.01 | Myrtti | I'm too sick to care atm |
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| 07:40.48 | Jaffa | Myrtti: I use NetVibes. |
| 07:41.23 | Stskeeps | what was the conclusion on the "source package can't build binary package that doesn't have part of the source package name in it" discussion? :P |
| 07:42.03 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I dunno, I think it didn't come to a conclusion. One for jeremiah to raise on maemo-developers, perhaps? |
| 07:42.21 | Stskeeps | it'll be an interesting one for sure |
| 07:42.22 | timeless_mbp | eww |
| 07:42.25 | timeless_mbp | so simply put |
| 07:42.39 | timeless_mbp | mozilla produces a bunch of packages (nspr, nss) from one binary |
| 07:42.42 | timeless_mbp | err source |
| 07:42.52 | Stskeeps | especially since anyone with a clue can look at 'Source: ' header of a binary package |
| 07:42.53 | timeless_mbp | requiring all packages to have a matching name isn't acceptable |
| 07:43.01 | X-Fade | It wasn't about source packages. |
| 07:43.38 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: well, that binary packages that has names that doesn't match the source package in some way? :P |
| 07:44.01 | Stskeeps | i should look up the convo and get my facts straight first, sec :P |
| 07:45.07 | zerojayPC | Qaiku.. that's something I should add... |
| 07:45.12 | Stskeeps | 'Make sure the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name. i.e. a package called foo should build a binary called foo, not bar. |
| 07:45.25 | Stskeeps | (from http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing) |
| 07:45.35 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It is in your mail. |
| 07:45.40 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ta |
| 07:46.19 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Well it is a wiki ;) |
| 07:46.33 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah, policy change by editing it during the night where noone notices? ;) |
| 07:47.05 | X-Fade | None of Jeremiah's checks have been implemented yet. |
| 07:47.20 | X-Fade | * are active |
| 07:47.25 | Stskeeps | *nod* better to stop this particular one before it harms things :) |
| 07:47.36 | Stskeeps | i wonder if we can put normal maemo SDK packages through similar checks :P |
| 07:48.24 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313066&postcount=65 |
| 07:49.39 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: yeah, except that argument doesn't make much sense.. multiple binary packages has nothing to deal with virtual packages per se :P |
| 07:50.07 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I agree. |
| 07:51.34 | Stskeeps | what i do protest a bit is the policy to implement a policy for the sole reason of clarity, for purpose of finding a source package. that's already done through apt-get source <binary name> as far as i remember :) |
| 07:52.07 | X-Fade | Yes, I don't see any problems in that. |
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| 07:52.40 | zerojayPC | http://www.flickr.com/photos/zerojay/3839440552/ <-- My goal is to make that menu take up the full screen. What do you think? Not bad so far, eh? ;) |
| 07:53.08 | Stskeeps | not bad |
| 07:53.27 | zerojayPC | Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca added. |
| 07:53.42 | zerojayPC | More on the way, hopefully. |
| 07:54.01 | zakkm | zerojayPC, would you happen to know how to "hide offline users" when you goto "start new chat"? |
| 07:54.02 | Stskeeps | soon adultfriendfinder and other dubious chat places ;P |
| 07:55.04 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 07:55.24 | zerojayPC | zakkm: It already reorders the list so all offline people are at the bottom. |
| 07:55.26 | zakkm | Stskeeps, dont give zerojayPC any ideas :P |
| 07:55.40 | zakkm | zerojayPC, yeah but by the fact it loads, it seems like a cpu waste to me |
| 07:55.45 | zakkm | i have like 100s of contacts |
| 07:55.50 | zerojayPC | Me too. |
| 07:55.56 | zerojayPC | Just takes a few seconds. |
| 07:56.09 | zakkm | would be alot quicker without though |
| 07:56.12 | zakkm | and such a cpu spike |
| 07:56.27 | zakkm | theres no point for it |
| 07:56.48 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://jkkmobile.blogspot.com/2009/08/always-innovating-touch-book-reaching.html |
| 07:56.49 | zerojayPC | Heh.. you say "CPU spike" like it really matters. :) |
| 07:57.27 | zerojayPC | The CPU spike you see won't be stopped by hiding offline users anyways. |
| 07:57.51 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://twitter.com/sfeger as well |
| 07:57.51 | zerojayPC | It has to know who is online and offline first before it decides which to show and hide, correct? |
| 07:58.00 | zerojayPC | Therefore, CPU spike. |
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| 07:58.36 | zakkm | only if it gets that far |
| 07:58.48 | zakkm | and why does it reload the list everytime, you do start new chat? |
| 07:58.55 | zakkm | doesnt it already know whos on and off |
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| 07:59.11 | zerojayPC | Yes and that pause is getting that list. |
| 07:59.24 | Stskeeps | doesn't like that fact that TB is top-heavy |
| 07:59.31 | timeless_mbp | tb? |
| 07:59.32 | zerojayPC | It doesn't recheck who is online and offline on each server when you start it. |
| 07:59.34 | Stskeeps | touchbook |
| 07:59.37 | Stskeeps | see urls just before |
| 07:59.40 | zerojayPC | It's just taking it from the list it already has, it seems. |
| 07:59.51 | zakkm | zerojayPC, exactly so it knows who is offline before "start new chat" is started |
| 08:00.18 | Macer | Stskeeps: wow |
| 08:00.26 | Macer | i feel bad for talking shit now haha |
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| 08:00.47 | Macer | can't wait to run mer on it! |
| 08:00.48 | Macer | lol |
| 08:01.00 | Stskeeps | Macer: that thing really needs a kickstand or something to balance it |
| 08:01.16 | timeless_mbp | wonders what a touchbook is |
| 08:01.28 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: think mobile beagleboard .. |
| 08:01.29 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 08:01.38 | zakkm | timeless_mbp, lame attempt at a ARM tablet |
| 08:01.45 | Macer | Stskeeps: lol |
| 08:01.47 | zakkm | but as a laptop tablet.. not a MID/nokia |
| 08:01.58 | zerojayPC | zakkm: And to know, it reads the list from RAM... which takes a while... offline or not. |
| 08:01.58 | Macer | maybe i can duct tape a balance weight on the kb ;) |
| 08:02.01 | Macer | if i ever get mine |
| 08:02.05 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: http://gizmodo.com/5162584/first-hands-on-touch-book-is-part+netbook-part+tablet (old mobo) |
| 08:02.25 | zerojayPC | zakkm: It would take the same amount of time regardless of if offline users were shown or not. |
| 08:02.47 | zakkm | "10 to 15 hour battery life" |
| 08:03.32 | Stskeeps | probably more with a proper OS on it |
| 08:03.33 | zakkm | Macer, help me with keyboard in Mer FVWM :) please |
| 08:03.48 | Macer | lol |
| 08:03.51 | Macer | i'm not using mer |
| 08:03.56 | Macer | i'm using gentoo :-P |
| 08:04.14 | Stskeeps | how's that going for you so far? |
| 08:04.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:04.46 | Macer | Stskeeps: that was an old article |
| 08:04.54 | Macer | plus judging by the pics... :) |
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| 08:05.04 | Stskeeps | Macer: the one i gave timeless, yes, but the urls above |
| 08:05.10 | Macer | yeah |
| 08:05.15 | Macer | the first ones getting it |
| 08:05.16 | Macer | that is a relief |
| 08:05.17 | Macer | haha |
| 08:05.23 | Macer | considering it has been a month |
| 08:05.28 | Macer | since they "started shipping the first batch" |
| 08:05.51 | Stskeeps | i really need a new laptop |
| 08:05.59 | Stskeeps | the curse of having had a work laptop which i have to hand back soon, heh |
| 08:06.05 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 08:06.07 | zerojayPC | Hmm.. Skype would be interesting... even though you'll have to keep Skype actually open.. would be nice to have my Skype friends on the same Contacts list though. |
| 08:06.15 | timeless_mbp | i should take my laptop to work |
| 08:06.17 | mavhc | they should have weights to attach to the keyboard, like those stupid gamer mice |
| 08:06.20 | timeless_mbp | so that it isn't here for my guests to trip over |
| 08:06.36 | timeless_mbp | gamer mice? |
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| 08:09.04 | Macer | Stskeeps: thanks |
| 08:09.07 | Macer | now i'm excited |
| 08:10.16 | Macer | and gentoo was good until yesterday when i had to rebuild everything |
| 08:10.17 | Macer | lol |
| 08:10.57 | timeless_mbp | ok, the logitech g5 has weights |
| 08:11.35 | timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: on which platform? |
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| 08:13.07 | zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Tablets. |
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| 08:13.35 | talig | does anyone have a clue what this means: "python[4714]: GLIB ERROR ** gtk - file gtkimsage.: line 1709 (gtk_image)expose): should not be reached "? |
| 08:13.45 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 08:13.49 | talig | In terms of - how to I fix it, if at all possible? |
| 08:14.00 | timeless_mbp | get a testcase and file a bug |
| 08:14.12 | Stskeeps | talig: i've seen similar problems in Mer though |
| 08:14.17 | Stskeeps | talig: fremantle SDK beta2? |
| 08:14.25 | talig | Stskeeps: No, Maemo Diablo. |
| 08:14.29 | Stskeeps | hm, ok |
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| 08:14.48 | Stskeeps | we had it in Mer application manager because bluetooth interface wasn't there O_o |
| 08:15.05 | Stskeeps | or something equally odd |
| 08:15.20 | talig | timeless_mbp: It crashed overnight, I'm not sure I can create a test case. The application runs fine for at least an hour, and I can't tell when it crashed so :/ |
| 08:15.35 | timeless_mbp | talig: so.... |
| 08:15.47 | X-Fade | Cripes, I'm debugging promotion for bluemaemo and notice that it pulls in 50!! packages on promotion ;) |
| 08:15.47 | timeless_mbp | you should be able to 1. enable core dumps |
| 08:16.05 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: debugging why bluemaemo didn't install was not fun |
| 08:16.31 | X-Fade | No wonder why checking the dependencies of these dependencies took a while :) |
| 08:16.34 | talig | Stskeeps: Bizarre. Well, thanks anyways |
| 08:18.30 | kynde | Hey guys, what other nXXX like linux capable tablets are there? (by tablets I mean touchscreen based handhelds that can run linux) |
| 08:19.03 | Stskeeps | kynde: freerunner, touchbook, smartq5/7 |
| 08:19.10 | Macer | lol |
| 08:19.16 | Corsac | touchbook \o/ |
| 08:19.24 | Macer | eureka is a riot |
| 08:19.32 | Stskeeps | and some other tablets which needs a hack |
| 08:20.36 | kynde | cheers, I'll look into those. We're having a hard time finding N810s (and N800's) by the hundreds. |
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| 08:21.04 | Stskeeps | can i ask what you plan to be doing? |
| 08:21.07 | X-Fade | kynde: Did you try to contact Nokia directly? |
| 08:21.12 | Stskeeps | out of curiousity |
| 08:21.43 | kynde | Yes, we are contacting Nokia, not just me, I'm a mere coder. |
| 08:22.01 | Stskeeps | i'm sure they have some N810W's in stock ;) |
| 08:22.17 | timeless_mbp | talig: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=should+not+be+reached&find=glib%2Fgmessages |
| 08:22.23 | timeless_mbp | that's the general thing you hit |
| 08:23.30 | Macer | well |
| 08:23.34 | Macer | if my touch book makes it here |
| 08:23.36 | kynde | Stskeeps: sure, we're planning on using them as remote controllers of sorts for slot machines. we're alread in field trials and they look promising enough that we're starting look for relevant quantities of said devices. |
| 08:23.39 | Macer | then this gentoo stuff will be rather moot |
| 08:23.46 | Macer | although i can't shove teh touch book into my pocket haha |
| 08:23.53 | Macer | what is it? 9"? :) that would be awkward |
| 08:24.12 | Stskeeps | Macer: it's a pocket computer for fat people ;) |
| 08:24.19 | Macer | haha |
| 08:24.27 | Macer | i am still going to try to get an office app in gentoo going |
| 08:24.28 | Macer | and cups :) |
| 08:24.30 | kynde | It's just that N900 is expected to be quite a bit more expensive and new capabilities that it will have, although interesting to me as developer, will not be useful for said use. |
| 08:24.33 | Macer | that will be awesome |
| 08:24.44 | Macer | and make it so i don't have to carry a laptop when i have to go back for classes |
| 08:24.55 | Macer | maybe i'll scan my books too |
| 08:24.57 | Macer | and use it for that |
| 08:25.16 | timeless_mbp | talig: http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=g_assert_not_reached&filter=gtkimage |
| 08:25.21 | timeless_mbp | lets you see where that would come from |
| 08:25.24 | kynde | And obviously we'll be needing backup plans incase getting n810s or n800s about a thousand or so proves out to be impossible. |
| 08:25.26 | Stskeeps | kynde: look into the Q5's then if you don't need a keyboard, cheap, hackable |
| 08:25.36 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/gtk+2.0-2.10.12/gtk/gtkimage.c?mark=1709#1516 |
| 08:25.41 | timeless_mbp | indicates the thing that triggered it |
| 08:26.09 | timeless_mbp | talig: from there, the reason for the problem is reasonably clear :) |
| 08:26.11 | zakkm | kynde, why would you need several thousand? |
| 08:26.14 | Stskeeps | kynde: but N800/n810 if you want quality |
| 08:26.28 | talig | timeless_mbp: Thanks, I'll have a loog |
| 08:26.30 | timeless_mbp | talig: n.b., i don't know anything about glib/gtk, all i did was use the cross reference |
| 08:26.30 | talig | look |
| 08:26.39 | timeless_mbp | it's a fairly easy process |
| 08:27.04 | kynde | Stskeeps: interesting. All we need is wlan, hopefully somewhat small in size, touchscreen and linux (and not much from it, just that the basic hw works. otherwise we're used to making embedded linux devices) |
| 08:27.07 | timeless_mbp | i did guide mxr but hinting about which paths to use (find in glib, filter in gtkimage) |
| 08:27.25 | timeless_mbp | the filter is obvious based on the warning itself |
| 08:27.33 | timeless_mbp | guessing that the text came from glib is something you'll learn |
| 08:27.43 | timeless_mbp | i actually tried find in gtk before glib |
| 08:28.03 | Stskeeps | kynde: k, look in the direction of Q5 then |
| 08:28.19 | zakkm | kynde, whats wrong with ipod touch + making a app for it? :P |
| 08:28.41 | zakkm | have ssh capabilities, openssh in and out and such |
| 08:29.31 | Macer | does a q7 have a keyboard or something? |
| 08:29.40 | Stskeeps | no, but it has it's size going for it |
| 08:29.42 | Stskeeps | and usb host |
| 08:29.45 | kynde | We've toyed around with ipods, but that was a good while ago. At that time the wlan had to be plugged in through a card and we had some issues with that... |
| 08:30.13 | zakkm | kynde: new ipod touch? |
| 08:30.16 | kynde | Sorry, that was about ipaqs. |
| 08:30.33 | kynde | zakkm: ipods don't run linux afaik |
| 08:30.37 | Macer | well |
| 08:30.37 | zakkm | ipod touch, nice powerful , kind of cheap, good speed |
| 08:30.40 | zakkm | yeah they do. |
| 08:30.41 | Macer | i'll be damned |
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| 08:30.44 | zakkm | well |
| 08:30.46 | Macer | people really did get touch books |
| 08:30.47 | Macer | lol |
| 08:31.00 | zakkm | older ones did, newer ones not so much |
| 08:31.01 | Stskeeps | touch books are officially not vaporware |
| 08:31.02 | Macer | anybody start getting pandoras too? :) |
| 08:31.03 | Stskeeps | like pandora ;p |
| 08:31.06 | zakkm | but it has alot of linux apps in it already |
| 08:31.08 | Macer | hahaha |
| 08:31.16 | Macer | Stskeeps: yeah. i figure if touch book can do it in like 5 months |
| 08:31.22 | Macer | shuldn't pandora have been able to ship |
| 08:31.23 | kynde | oh they do, indeed, I'll be damned. |
| 08:31.26 | Macer | in over a year |
| 08:31.52 | Macer | then again though. isn't the pandora being marketed as a "game system" ? |
| 08:31.56 | zakkm | kynde, can install openssh on it, for ssh'ing.. can install terminal. . |
| 08:32.03 | Macer | like a portable gaming system |
| 08:32.03 | kynde | zakkm: not looking into "older ones", because we'd probably be facing similar acquisition difficulties (or worse) that we're now having with n8X0 |
| 08:32.10 | Macer | fail :) |
| 08:32.26 | zakkm | kynde, noonono older ones didnt have wifi or internet.. but they had linux :P hah |
| 08:32.44 | zakkm | kynde, but newer ones dont have linux, but still very good |
| 08:32.47 | mavhc | shipping 100 of your product is easier than shipping 10000 |
| 08:32.55 | kynde | right, so I guess it's a no go then. I'll look into the forementioned Q5 then... |
| 08:32.55 | zakkm | code in C , draw a UI , and your done |
| 08:33.10 | Macer | Stskeeps: well. i'll take pics and stuff of my tb if i ever get it :) |
| 08:33.12 | zakkm | no QT / GTK .. but full coding should be right |
| 08:33.14 | Macer | lol |
| 08:33.27 | Stskeeps | Macer: what i really want is a copy of xorg.conf, ls -lR /lib/modules, and a dmesg |
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| 08:33.40 | Macer | that too |
| 08:33.41 | Macer | ;) |
| 08:33.50 | Macer | haha but you can problably get that from the internets soon |
| 08:34.01 | Macer | but if you can't find one before i get mine i'll send you the info |
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| 08:37.12 | kynde | zakkm: we'll a linux kernel is a must for us as is a solid wlan. libs aren't an issue, assuming it has some sensible architecture. |
| 08:37.31 | timeless_mbp | mobile linux and sensible architecture |
| 08:37.54 | timeless_mbp | i hope you understand that you are asking too much by a number of orders of magnitude :) |
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| 08:41.00 | kynde | Stskeeps: you happen to know wether the Q5 has resistive or capacitive touchscreen? |
| 08:41.08 | Stskeeps | kynde: resistive |
| 08:41.21 | Stskeeps | just like n800/n810 |
| 08:42.04 | Stskeeps | kynde: keep in mind this one will need a bit of leg work - it's fairly easy to make it boot any linux OS for armel (we have bootloader + kernel sources for it, and some technical details) |
| 08:44.32 | kynde | Gotta order some for testing. If we can get kernel, wlan, X (or even framebuffer) and touchscreen working we'd be home free. Even now with n810 we skip all hildon stuff alltogether and use a custom 2D engine (sdl + efficient dirtybuffering). |
| 08:45.10 | Stskeeps | dealextreme has them for 150 usd |
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| 08:47.40 | kynde | You happen to know of any european retailers? |
| 08:48.22 | Stskeeps | mm, not for the q5, only for q7 |
| 08:48.58 | Stskeeps | i got mine directly from the company that makes them so : |
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| 08:49.16 | kynde | what price range is that then? |
| 08:49.55 | kynde | The essential difference between the two is size, right? Wouldn't hurt us. :) |
| 08:50.10 | Stskeeps | yeah, and usb host and no bluetooth except for dongle |
| 08:50.20 | Stskeeps | and extra buttons |
| 08:50.24 | Stskeeps | but yeah, similar |
| 08:50.59 | kynde | Seems to be 216 usd in dealextreme. One of each then, I guess. |
| 08:51.11 | Stskeeps | http://eshopen.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=14&products_id=71 is one company (comes with EU warranty), offices closed until aug 30 |
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| 08:51.37 | Stskeeps | (i got my freerunner from them donated, so they seem sane :P) |
| 08:53.01 | Macer | wonder if the tb comes with bt |
| 08:53.06 | Stskeeps | dongle based |
| 08:53.07 | Macer | i know it has "internal" usb ports |
| 08:53.10 | Macer | oh |
| 08:53.13 | Macer | i have a dongle ready then ;) |
| 08:53.28 | Macer | i have a class 1 dongle that is really small |
| 08:53.32 | Macer | that's all i'll need for bt anyways |
| 08:53.37 | Stskeeps | kynde: ignore microSD spec, it's SD |
| 08:53.40 | Macer | i don't see a need to connect much bt to it |
| 08:53.49 | Macer | or does it come with the dongle? |
| 08:54.01 | kynde | fine. 4500mAh ? geez.. |
| 08:54.13 | Stskeeps | kynde: darn nice battery :P |
| 08:54.22 | Macer | tb is supposed to have 15 hours of battery life |
| 08:54.28 | Macer | if you have the kb attached |
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| 08:54.30 | kynde | event the q5 has 2000mAh. I'm impressed. |
| 08:54.36 | Macer | i guess that's the weight you were talking about Stskeeps |
| 08:54.36 | Macer | ;) |
| 08:54.46 | Macer | instead of a kick stand they used a huge battery haha |
| 08:54.57 | Stskeeps | kynde: people use it with otg and usb gprs modem, heh |
| 08:56.42 | kynde | And we get about 48h already with the n810.. (took a bit of work though with screen dimming, tcp keepalives only 15s apart, application sleeping, constant sound device closing when not in use etc) |
| 08:57.17 | Stskeeps | should be possible with q5/q7 too |
| 08:57.27 | Stskeeps | remembered to enable PSM? |
| 08:57.38 | Stskeeps | that helps a lot :P |
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| 09:00.42 | lcuk | jeremiah, theres a package in debian that i need. its been built locally but i dont know your normal procedures for just bringing in a package |
| 09:00.46 | kynde | psm ? |
| 09:01.25 | lcuk | i dont think it needs changes for maemo so its not really a maintainer task perse, is this a job for your package superman tool thingy |
| 09:01.34 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm , kynde |
| 09:01.36 | X-Fade | lcuk: Just upload it? |
| 09:01.44 | Stskeeps | kynde: http://trac.tspre.org/svn/deblet/trunk/packages/main/dsme-tools/usr/sbin/wifi_powersave.py is something that implements something like it |
| 09:01.51 | Stskeeps | ~wifi-psm |
| 09:01.52 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, wifi-psm is http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_Power_Saving_Mode_(PSM) |
| 09:03.03 | lcuk | X-Fade, i thought i had to change all the maintainer stuff |
| 09:03.07 | lcuk | its not my dll |
| 09:03.21 | lcuk | its just standard debian :) |
| 09:04.07 | kynde | Will look into that. But since it runs about 60 hours with the tcp connections idling (and responsive within a couple hounder milliseconds during sleeping) I'm assuming it has to be enabled. |
| 09:04.26 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 09:05.48 | Macer | well |
| 09:05.50 | Macer | that's kind of a bitch |
| 09:06.00 | Macer | i ordered a 4GB microsd + adapter set for $11 |
| 09:06.09 | Macer | adn the 4G microsd that came with it seems to be dead |
| 09:06.15 | Macer | after like a week and a half :) |
| 09:06.15 | Macer | go figure |
| 09:06.53 | Stskeeps | you killed your microsd with gentoo? |
| 09:06.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:07.28 | Macer | no |
| 09:07.32 | Macer | the 4G i kept in my G1 |
| 09:07.37 | Macer | because it was a c6 |
| 09:07.47 | Macer | and i put my c4 8G that i had in the phone in a keychain adapter |
| 09:07.52 | Macer | and keep encrypted docs on it :) |
| 09:08.05 | Macer | pay stubs and shit like that in case i need them |
| 09:08.46 | Macer | wow. yeah . looks like it's dead |
| 09:08.52 | Macer | i honestly only bought it for its adapters :) |
| 09:09.12 | Macer | it was like $15 after shipping but had all the adapters i would ever need because i needed a microsd to mini for the n810 |
| 09:09.29 | Macer | guess you get what you pay for |
| 09:10.08 | Stskeeps | i'm so looking forward to the friggen microsd in rx-51 |
| 09:10.17 | Stskeeps | and USB charging, too |
| 09:10.17 | Macer | haha |
| 09:10.23 | Macer | usb charging is nice |
| 09:10.33 | Macer | wtf is up with nokia and that tiny charging hole? |
| 09:10.42 | Macer | ever break a charger? :) |
| 09:11.05 | Stskeeps | no, i have broken the charger plug inside the device |
| 09:11.09 | Stskeeps | that was interesting to fix |
| 09:11.31 | Macer | Aug 20 04:09:13 cube kernel: [287422.359804] Dev sdb: unable to read RDB block 0 |
| 09:11.31 | Macer | Aug 20 04:09:13 cube kernel: [287422.359844] unable to read partition table |
| 09:11.36 | Macer | wow |
| 09:11.43 | linuxeventually | Usb charging is nice. I have a cheap nokia=>usb adapter that is unreliable |
| 09:11.45 | Macer | what a piece of crap :) |
| 09:12.05 | Macer | Stskeeps: not the one i sent you ? |
| 09:12.12 | Macer | the one with the scrolling screen right? :) |
| 09:12.13 | Stskeeps | no, the n810 nokia donated |
| 09:12.17 | Macer | oooh |
| 09:12.18 | Macer | haha |
| 09:12.21 | linuxeventually | But my friend with a n97 is annoyed that there is only one usb port so it's charging OR device/cable |
| 09:12.25 | Macer | you almost made me shed a tear |
| 09:12.29 | Macer | i kept good care of that n800 ;) |
| 09:12.30 | Stskeeps | Macer: i had to steal a charger plug from the 770 |
| 09:12.42 | Stskeeps | they're easily replacable once you have one and a torx screwdriver |
| 09:12.44 | Macer | Stskeeps: honestly. give up on the n770s |
| 09:12.45 | Macer | ;) |
| 09:12.50 | Stskeeps | Macer: mine WSODed |
| 09:12.53 | Macer | i mean i'm all for supporting old hardware |
| 09:13.03 | Macer | but an n770 would be like.. using an atari nowadays |
| 09:13.08 | Macer | holding on for too long is not a good thing |
| 09:13.11 | Stskeeps | Macer: i'm inclined to agree |
| 09:13.14 | Macer | remember that after your divorce :) haha |
| 09:14.05 | Macer | but the 770 is just too old. the n8x0s still have a bit of life in them left |
| 09:14.27 | Macer | i'd give them another year or 2 before htey are completely obsolete also |
| 09:14.35 | Stskeeps | 770 actually will have a revival in 0.17 probably, heh |
| 09:14.37 | Macer | maybe 3 if mer can get good office apps and printing supportr on them |
| 09:14.38 | Stskeeps | we have wifi working againj |
| 09:15.15 | Macer | i wish i could say that's a good thing ;) |
| 09:15.27 | Macer | seems to pull devs off the better devices |
| 09:15.45 | Macer | heh.. but i guess n770s are important to the eastern euro market :-D |
| 09:15.59 | Macer | miami wice! NEW #1 SHOW!! |
| 09:16.00 | Stskeeps | actually it's mostly americans having 770s |
| 09:16.06 | Macer | really? |
| 09:16.14 | Stskeeps | i know very few 770 users in europe |
| 09:16.21 | Macer | i have honestly never seen an n770 |
| 09:16.37 | Macer | damn. this sd is done |
| 09:16.43 | Macer | guess i have to put my slower 8G back in |
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| 09:17.02 | Macer | i should have just gotten 2 16G c6 mSDs when i had the chance |
| 09:17.27 | Macer | ah well. i'm going to get some breakfast |
| 09:17.31 | Macer | take care |
| 09:17.56 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: am i missing anything if http://maemo.org/news//planet-maemo/category/feed:f795a4d0dabfedf317983d102f26b25c/ has my latest post but planet doesn't? |
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| 09:18.01 | lardman | morning |
| 09:18.05 | Stskeeps | (for a while now) |
| 09:18.14 | kynde | We couldn't even find an n770 here (europe) last winter. And only one n800 from local hw shops for that matters. |
| 09:18.29 | Stskeeps | err.. |
| 09:18.33 | Stskeeps | that datetime is kinda weird |
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| 09:20.51 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=4 |
| 09:21.12 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: i wonder why blogger sets it's time to when i started writing it |
| 09:21.22 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Planet sorts on timestamp. |
| 09:21.28 | Stskeeps | instead of when it was published |
| 09:21.33 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 09:22.02 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: No ideay. I always publish on the same day as I start, so didn't notice it yet. |
| 09:22.05 | rkirti | gah. yet another "n900 leak" mail on mailing list |
| 09:22.31 | Stskeeps | rkirti: yes, but in this case it's relevant to developers ;) |
| 09:24.19 | Stskeeps | rkirti: saw my fremantle UI experiments? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 |
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| 09:26.42 | rkirti | the last line (in the n900 mail) is the most interesting :) |
| 09:27.03 | rkirti | calculates the fraction of GSoC money she would end up blowing on the new device |
| 09:27.49 | rkirti | Stskeeps: holy shit. This is really cool |
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| 09:28.26 | Stskeeps | rkirti: i use a large wad of copyrighted material in there, but still :) |
| 09:29.50 | rkirti | :) |
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| 10:43.45 | lardman | urgh, segfault :( |
| 10:45.04 | lcuk | not trying hard enough lardman |
| 10:45.11 | lcuk | you should be getting kernel panics by now |
| 10:45.33 | lardman | I've passed my dsp kernel panic stage |
| 10:46.06 | lardman | how are things? |
| 10:48.02 | lcuk | good |
| 10:48.04 | lcuk | im tired |
| 10:48.15 | lardman | I'm on holiday :) |
| 10:48.19 | lardman | sort of anyway |
| 10:48.24 | lcuk | but, a lick of paint helps :) |
| 10:54.55 | lardman | hmm, syntax error now |
| 10:54.57 | lardman | strange |
| 10:59.32 | lardman | hmm, it all comes down to a poll error |
| 10:59.40 | lardman | ~curse dspgateway for being difficult to debug |
| 10:59.41 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, dspgateway for being difficult to debug ! |
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| 11:17.41 | sarower | How i can change the bg color of gtkentry? |
| 11:17.48 | Stskeeps | gah.. now my day just got even worse |
| 11:17.52 | sarower | None of the following is working: |
| 11:18.12 | sarower | gtk_widget_modify_base(), gtk_widget_modify_bg(), gtk_widget_modify_fg(). |
| 11:18.14 | lardman | Stskeeps: what's up? |
| 11:18.31 | lardman | sarower: no idea, sorry |
| 11:18.53 | sarower | lardman: Its Ok man! |
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| 11:27.00 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: my reply good enough? |
| 11:27.58 | lardman | hmm, rfft() seems to be a cpu cycle blackhole |
| 11:28.41 | lardman | lcuk: there you go, kernel panic (ARM-side) :) |
| 11:28.51 | lcuk | \o/ |
| 11:29.11 | lcuk | ive not seen a kernel panic |
| 11:29.16 | rkirti | OT : What are the IDEs people here use ? (Anjuta,eclipse being answers for sure, but apart from that ?) |
| 11:29.30 | lcuk | perhaps i should put some handling in liqbase for drastic errors and have an amiga style guru meditation |
| 11:29.38 | mgedmin | uses vim |
| 11:29.47 | lcuk | rkirti, firm believer in komodo edit |
| 11:30.12 | rkirti | mgedmin: I am as much of a vim fanatic as you are, but not good enough to make do with vim as ide :-/ |
| 11:30.14 | lardman | lcuk: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m21864a16 |
| 11:30.19 | lcuk | i have made it look like visual basic and it handles variable completion and indenting nicely enough even tho its based on file at a time instead of project |
| 11:30.42 | lcuk | 9the way i use it) |
| 11:31.00 | lcuk | lardman, why is that weblink blue |
| 11:31.36 | lardman | no idea |
| 11:31.54 | rkirti | lcuk: well vim does all that with one key \m/ :) |
| 11:32.17 | rkirti | I love the indenting it handles with " = " :) |
| 11:32.38 | lcuk | lardman, now my browser is dead |
| 11:32.56 | lcuk | you bstrd, you sent me a blue screen of death |
| 11:33.04 | ShadowJK | evil. |
| 11:33.11 | lardman | hmm |
| 11:33.26 | lardman | can you feel your karma leaking away too.... |
| 11:33.38 | lardman | <maniacal laugh> |
| 11:33.44 | lcuk | rkirti, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1329467&cid=28990521 |
| 11:34.07 | mavhc | do any editors do automatic real time indenting? |
| 11:35.43 | mgedmin | yes |
| 11:36.05 | rkirti | mavhc: not exactly real-time , but I am happy with vim. I can write around as messy as I can get, then I select the whole page and press = and it indents everything in one go |
| 11:36.56 | lcuk | mavhc, microsoft.net ide does |
| 11:37.07 | lcuk | well, until you kill it with fire anyway |
| 11:37.10 | lcuk | it does it wrong |
| 11:37.13 | lcuk | and is not changable |
| 11:39.01 | mavhc | the one in macromedia's stuff was quite good, got a bit slow if you had too big files though |
| 11:40.01 | inz | rkirti, my vim does indenting as I type |
| 11:40.27 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Seems to be :-) |
| 11:40.56 | rkirti|afk | has a classmate who did a GSoC on vim-anjuta integration :) Sadly, anjuta upstream changed too much since then,Cant wait for the plugin to work again :) |
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| 11:48.27 | lardman | hmm, more promising, just an annoying GStreamer assert statement that's failing for some reason |
| 11:50.53 | VDVsx | X-Fade, ping |
| 11:51.02 | X-Fade | VDVsx: pong |
| 11:52.26 | VDVsx | X-Fade, mail reply: you can remove it, I will release another test release soon |
| 11:52.45 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Ok, thanks. |
| 11:53.04 | X-Fade | VDVsx: It seems that ecore is a bit in a broken state at the moment, so promotion isn't possible. |
| 11:53.20 | X-Fade | Need to ping etrunko about that. |
| 11:53.38 | VDVsx | yeah, I will send to extras-devel only (need more testing also, since I can have bluetooth under sbox :() |
| 11:54.03 | VDVsx | *can't have bluetooth under sbox |
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| 11:57.52 | lardman | hmm, possible fft data returned, good sign |
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| 12:08.30 | lcuk | lardman, i gather it would be possible to use fft style calc to find frequency the accelerometer is being swung at |
| 12:08.53 | lcuk | i guess something similar is how you owuld do pedometer |
| 12:09.17 | lardman | yeah, would be possible |
| 12:09.25 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:09.30 | lardman | not sure you'd actually bother with fft mind you |
| 12:09.35 | lcuk | i almost dropped my x41 playing with it |
| 12:10.28 | lcuk | i wouldnt know how to track a wavy signal and know the frequency of swing to know a step has been made |
| 12:10.58 | lardman | if you know that someone's walking and the device is in a constant orientation it would be easy enough |
| 12:11.19 | lardman | same with the swinging round thing |
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| 12:12.40 | lcuk | thats not the case though |
| 12:12.51 | lcuk | with manual pedometer it doesnt care about orientation |
| 12:13.29 | lardman | constant being the keyword there |
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| 12:13.47 | lardman | though thinking about it even that wouldn't be needed |
| 12:15.17 | VDVsx | lcuk, what do you want to do ? :P |
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| 12:16.22 | lcuk | make sure i dont drop my laptop! |
| 12:16.53 | lardman | wants to go jogging with his laptop? |
| 12:17.27 | lcuk | no |
| 12:17.30 | lcuk | have you played neverball |
| 12:17.36 | lcuk | loves that game |
| 12:17.55 | VDVsx | lcuk, well, attach it to a good table :) |
| 12:18.04 | VDVsx | lcuk, yes, I love it too :P |
| 12:18.12 | lcuk | VDVsx, but its got an accelerometer in it |
| 12:18.14 | lcuk | and i wannt use it! |