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| 00:15.23 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: The PS3 has a lot of great games. |
| 00:15.49 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: The main problem with the PS3 Slim, at least from my point of view... can't install Linux on it. :/ |
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| 00:28.24 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, I'm not sure I care so much about that. |
| 00:28.35 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, but most of the great games are on the 360 anyway. |
| 00:33.15 | zerojayPC | Two years ago, I would have understood. |
| 00:34.03 | GeneralAntilles | A half-dozen games probably isn't a good enough justification to drop $300. |
| 00:34.22 | zerojayPC | Again, that comment would have been valid 2 years ago. |
| 00:34.43 | zerojayPC | PS3's got a ton of great exclusive games now. |
| 00:34.47 | GeneralAntilles | OK, enlighten me. |
| 00:35.24 | zerojayPC | I've got better things to do with my time tonight. |
| 00:35.39 | GeneralAntilles | Sorry, not being combative, I really would love to see a list. |
| 00:35.59 | zerojayPC | I'm hearing people talking about verifying a ton of bugs on the Maemo 5 SDK... I must be missing something since I don't really see anything I can check in the SDK. |
| 00:36.05 | GeneralAntilles | I don't pay much attention to the PS3 because of that whole 2-years-ago thing. |
| 00:36.19 | zerojayPC | What whole two years ago thing? |
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| 00:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | Lack of compelling exclusive titles, massively inflated price. |
| 00:37.48 | zerojayPC | Yeah, I can understand that. |
| 00:38.34 | zerojayPC | Anyways, are people just testing 3rd party apps with the SDK... because unless I'm blind, I don't really see anything else that I can run except for the app manager. |
| 00:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, should be some stuff in Extras. |
| 00:39.26 | zerojayPC | But none of the main apps are included in the SDK then? Media player, the browser... nothing? |
| 00:40.16 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, no closed-source stuff. |
| 00:40.46 | zerojayPC | So there's nothing really to do then. |
| 00:41.12 | zerojayPC | Tab doesn't work to switch text fields? Ugh. |
| 00:41.35 | GeneralAntilles | Bug? |
| 00:41.45 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, lot of Wii games I need to catch up on. |
| 00:42.05 | zerojayPC | There's only been 1 Wii game I've wanted to play. |
| 00:42.09 | zerojayPC | No... 2. |
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| 00:42.24 | zerojayPC | Red Steel 2 and Punchout. |
| 00:42.34 | zerojayPC | What a mistake that was. |
| 00:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | See, I don't have this bizarre hate against the Nintendo 3D titles. |
| 00:42.54 | GeneralAntilles | Perhaps since the 64 was more my childhood than the NES or SNES |
| 00:42.59 | zerojayPC | It's not bizarre hate. They're just plain boring for the most part. |
| 00:43.09 | zerojayPC | Most of the wii games. |
| 00:43.12 | zerojayPC | Including my own. |
| 00:43.13 | GeneralAntilles | But, personally, I found Twilight Princess to be one of the best games I've ever played. |
| 00:43.25 | GeneralAntilles | That sounds like a personal problem, honestly. ;) |
| 00:43.43 | zerojayPC | Well... you picked out the 1 series Nintendo's done in 3d that I really do have a hate for now, lol |
| 00:44.31 | zerojayPC | Zelda's a game that really didn't work in 3d and still hasn't. None of them feel like Zelda to me... just a generic 3d adventure given a 3rd party Zelda skin... too bad, I loved the older ones. |
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| 00:45.25 | zerojayPC | Mario worked out better in 3d... but feels like it's repeating itself too much. |
| 00:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | That I'd agree with |
| 00:45.40 | zerojayPC | Basically just Mario 64 with better graphics and a new gimmick now. |
| 00:45.43 | GeneralAntilles | Mario Galaxy mostly feels like Mario 64 in space |
| 00:45.49 | zerojayPC | Mario 64 is still one of my favorite games of all time. |
| 00:45.54 | GeneralAntilles | Although they got really creative with a lot of the gameplay mechanics. |
| 00:46.11 | zerojayPC | But when I see Sunshine and Galaxy... I shouldn't be able to pick out recycled animations from Mario 64 still. |
| 00:46.14 | GeneralAntilles | It was one of those games where you really go "Wow, I've never seen that before" |
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| 00:46.27 | GeneralAntilles | All of the 3D Zeldas are in my top-10 list. |
| 00:47.02 | zerojayPC | Yeah, it was different. I liked Galaxy because it did something very different.. but I wasn't a huge fan. |
| 00:47.25 | zerojayPC | The 3d Zeldas were really the beginning of the end of my love for Nintendo. |
| 00:47.25 | GeneralAntilles | It wasn't nearly as charming as Mario 64 |
| 00:47.37 | GeneralAntilles | 3D Metroid I love. |
| 00:47.42 | GeneralAntilles | Corruption was fantastic. |
| 00:47.49 | zerojayPC | Metroid Prime is a great series. |
| 00:47.57 | zerojayPC | That worked out quite well. |
| 00:48.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm sorry to hear that, because Ocarina is 1 or 2 for me. |
| 00:48.48 | zerojayPC | Ocarina... yeah, pretty much made me feel like i was playing an adventure game staring Quacky McFuckduck and Nintendo just decided to reskin it before release. lol |
| 00:49.02 | zerojayPC | Massive disappointment. |
| 00:49.22 | zerojayPC | Mario Kart 64... an even greater disappointment. |
| 00:50.05 | zerojayPC | Mario Kart could have been much better if it wasn't so SLOW. |
| 00:50.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, those two games were my childhhod. |
| 00:50.21 | zerojayPC | F-Zero 64 was really awesome, loved it. |
| 00:50.28 | GeneralAntilles | Plus Smash |
| 00:50.32 | zerojayPC | Pilotwings 64 was also pretty good. |
| 00:50.52 | zerojayPC | Smash was cool until people started trying to play it seriously. lol |
| 00:50.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, that too. |
| 00:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 00:51.13 | GeneralAntilles | Melee I had to stop playing because all of my friends started playing in tournaments. |
| 00:51.18 | GeneralAntilles | I just couldn't compete anymore. |
| 00:51.20 | zerojayPC | It's a fun game to play and I absolutely loved all the japanese Nintendo references only I seemed to get. |
| 00:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | September 2nd |
| 00:51.44 | GeneralAntilles | Everybody got their wallets ready? |
| 00:51.57 | zerojayPC | That's what his twitter said... that's not release date, but the announcement by Nokia. |
| 00:52.16 | GeneralAntilles | The whole idea seems to be having the release closely follow the announcement. |
| 00:52.42 | zerojayPC | Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if it was right at Maemo Summit. |
| 00:53.00 | GeneralAntilles | I'm done with this platform if they don't ship by the Summit. |
| 00:53.06 | zerojayPC | lol |
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| 00:53.58 | zerojayPC | I wouldn't mind if it ships a little afterwards if I get to go to the Summit this year. |
| 00:54.21 | zerojayPC | I say that now, of course. |
| 00:54.34 | zerojayPC | Because I know I'll be just as impatient after getting my hands on it. |
| 00:54.37 | zerojayPC | Well, I hope so, anyways. |
| 00:55.12 | zerojayPC | Just not sure I'm feeling the whole "I have gigantic fucking fingers and can't read!" Fremantle UI. |
| 00:55.27 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia has managed to pound all of the enthusiasm and optimism out of my. |
| 00:55.40 | GeneralAntilles | I have a feeling I'm about where you were last year. . . . |
| 00:56.02 | zerojayPC | A bad place, that's for sure. |
| 00:56.08 | zerojayPC | Wish it never happened. |
| 00:56.51 | zerojayPC | It was chasing a carrot on a stick in the worst way. |
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| 00:57.32 | zerojayPC | In a way, it's one of the reasons why I really want to go. |
| 00:57.46 | zerojayPC | To the Summit. |
| 00:58.00 | GeneralAntilles | Recharge |
| 00:58.10 | zerojayPC | Yes, that too. |
| 00:58.29 | zerojayPC | But to also see Quim. |
| 00:58.56 | zerojayPC | And maybe whomever was responsible for that whole clusterfuck. |
| 00:59.56 | zerojayPC | Had a good time at last year's? |
| 01:00.35 | GeneralAntilles | Didn't go. |
| 01:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | Had other obligations. |
| 01:00.52 | zerojayPC | Yeah, might not be able to... don't know. |
| 01:01.08 | zerojayPC | My company asked me to move from Quebec to Halifax to help start up a new office. |
| 01:01.16 | zerojayPC | Around October/November. |
| 01:01.57 | zerojayPC | My boss is pretty leinent though. |
| 01:02.06 | zerojayPC | My wife, on the other hand... heh. |
| 01:02.12 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:02.20 | GeneralAntilles | Got friends up in Halifax. Nice place. |
| 01:02.21 | zerojayPC | She's going to be giving me guilt trips. lol |
| 01:02.50 | zerojayPC | I was born there, but haven't been back there since birth... always been in Montreal, Quebec or the US, so I'm interested in checking it out. |
| 01:03.05 | zerojayPC | Problem is that the company decided to tell me about this on July 2nd. |
| 01:03.11 | zerojayPC | The day after my year lease renewed. |
| 01:03.42 | zerojayPC | So between now and November... I have no clue what is going to happen. lol |
| 01:04.07 | zerojayPC | If I get sponsorship, I'll find a way to make it happen. |
| 01:04.31 | zerojayPC | You'll be there this year? |
| 01:05.32 | GeneralAntilles | Planning on it. |
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| 02:23.09 | Macer | hm |
| 02:23.19 | Macer | matchbox seems like it will be more of a learning curve than i thought |
| 02:23.30 | Macer | if i could find a good theme to download . that would be neet :) |
| 02:24.03 | Macer | but i don't know how themes work in matchbox |
| 02:24.11 | Macer | nor do i really want to take the time to figure it out heh |
| 02:24.15 | Macer | switches to fluxbox |
| 02:27.11 | zakkm | Macer: fluxbox would suck :P |
| 02:27.18 | zakkm | get like xfce with one panel or something ;P |
| 02:27.33 | zakkm | use mer's fvwm config.. in gentoo |
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| 02:31.54 | Macer | fluxbox isn't that bad :-P |
| 02:31.59 | Macer | if you config it correctly |
| 02:32.05 | zakkm | yo hey its my favourite window manager |
| 02:32.12 | zakkm | jwm , ratpoison, openbox.. can goto hell |
| 02:32.15 | Macer | it's just that i need something working now and don't want to go through the learning curve for matchbox |
| 02:32.26 | zakkm | desktop wise.. i wouldnt use anything that isnt fluxbox.. in terms of lightweight |
| 02:32.26 | Macer | like if i could just download and install a theme |
| 02:32.32 | zakkm | but on the tablet.. |
| 02:32.33 | Macer | and add it to ~/.matchbox/themes |
| 02:32.37 | zakkm | its not useful |
| 02:32.50 | Macer | and just run matchbox-session --theme ~/.matchbox/theme/themename |
| 02:32.55 | Macer | :) that would be nice |
| 02:33.09 | Macer | which is how it looks like it is supposed to be done |
| 02:33.13 | zakkm | ive never heard of such flag |
| 02:33.15 | zakkm | --theme? |
| 02:33.17 | zakkm | in anything |
| 02:33.17 | Macer | and i installed matchbox-themes-extras |
| 02:33.22 | Macer | lol.... |
| 02:33.24 | Macer | one sec |
| 02:34.13 | zakkm | i believe you lol i just never came across it myself |
| 02:34.19 | zakkm | in all my linux adventures |
| 02:35.28 | Macer | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/manual/wm.html#wmthemes |
| 02:35.40 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.42 | Macer | matchbox-remote -t <theme name> |
| 02:35.56 | Macer | i guess the themes are stored in xml files |
| 02:35.57 | zakkm | what did it look like |
| 02:35.59 | zakkm | matchbox |
| 02:36.04 | Macer | like shit :) |
| 02:36.10 | Macer | like twm when you first install X |
| 02:36.10 | Macer | haha |
| 02:36.37 | zakkm | ew |
| 02:36.48 | zakkm | just try fvwm with mer's fvwm config |
| 02:36.58 | zakkm | it would look like mer one, and be gentoo underneath? |
| 02:37.05 | zakkm | i thought you liked mer's fvwm screenie |
| 02:37.20 | zakkm | fvwm is more lightweight than fluxbox isnt it |
| 02:37.45 | Macer | honestly don't know |
| 02:37.49 | Macer | just got X going ;) |
| 02:37.53 | Macer | was looking for a good wm |
| 02:38.30 | Macer | going to mess with this for a few more minutes then go to bed |
| 02:38.45 | Macer | but just in case i'm going to build fluxbox :) |
| 02:38.56 | zakkm | it will be qucik |
| 02:38.57 | Macer | at the very least i know fluxbox works |
| 02:38.58 | Macer | heh |
| 02:39.00 | Macer | not really |
| 02:39.04 | Macer | i have to build a few deps |
| 02:39.09 | zakkm | you should do e17 illume :) |
| 02:39.17 | zakkm | if you get that building right , that would be sickkk |
| 02:39.26 | zakkm | the deps of fluxbox are nothing |
| 02:39.40 | Macer | yeah but running emerge on an n810 takes a while |
| 02:40.10 | Macer | it will probably take longer for emerge to run all its stuff than the actual building |
| 02:40.10 | zakkm | what you using for emerge |
| 02:40.11 | zakkm | emerge ___ ? |
| 02:40.11 | zakkm | -__* |
| 02:40.13 | Macer | and it also has to go through all the configure stuff |
| 02:40.20 | Macer | zakkm: i didn't install that other one yet :-P |
| 02:40.31 | Macer | i just got everything installed monday.. right now i'm working on the config |
| 02:40.38 | zakkm | no i mean like |
| 02:40.49 | zakkm | emerge -av package... emerge -DNav ? ? |
| 02:40.51 | Macer | there's also a bug in cups that i need to talk to slo about so he can point me to it again :) |
| 02:40.59 | Macer | er |
| 02:41.07 | Macer | i just did emerge -v fluxbox |
| 02:41.15 | zakkm | you should always have at least av |
| 02:41.21 | Macer | a just asks |
| 02:41.23 | zakkm | yeah |
| 02:41.28 | zakkm | so you can see if it has the flags yo uwant |
| 02:41.34 | zakkm | how many are going to compile, filesize etc |
| 02:41.35 | Macer | i just did emerge -vp |
| 02:41.38 | Macer | and looked at the flags |
| 02:41.41 | zakkm | oh |
| 02:41.42 | zakkm | lol |
| 02:41.45 | Macer | then add them |
| 02:41.54 | Macer | because if i add any i'd have to run it again anyways |
| 02:42.05 | zakkm | but then you do up arrow |
| 02:42.08 | zakkm | for last command |
| 02:42.12 | zakkm | you dont have to retype emerge __ |
| 02:42.18 | Macer | haha |
| 02:42.23 | Macer | and 3 secs of my life is saved :) |
| 02:42.27 | zakkm | no |
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| 02:42.32 | zakkm | if you have a super long list , in console |
| 02:42.38 | zakkm | just what i was taught :P |
| 02:42.44 | Macer | then i just scroll up |
| 02:42.48 | Macer | haha |
| 02:42.54 | Macer | then again. there's always --newuse |
| 02:42.56 | Macer | :) |
| 02:43.13 | Macer | which i think i'm honestly going to have to run on world soon |
| 02:43.17 | zakkm | thats only if you change stuff though |
| 02:43.22 | Macer | which i have |
| 02:43.27 | zakkm | hah |
| 02:43.30 | Macer | and i'm not sure if i missed some pkgs haha |
| 02:43.33 | Macer | ah well :) |
| 02:43.35 | zakkm | do it when your 100% done |
| 02:43.41 | zakkm | you should add -D too |
| 02:43.41 | Macer | yeah |
| 02:43.44 | hipitihop | anyone know the status of maemo on the freerunner ? |
| 02:43.47 | Macer | -D ? |
| 02:43.56 | zakkm | hipitihop: maemo on freerunner, ... mer you mean? |
| 02:44.01 | zakkm | maemo wont support freerunner |
| 02:44.03 | hipitihop | zakkm: yes |
| 02:44.09 | zakkm | it works fine doesnt it? |
| 02:44.51 | zakkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.15 <--- bottom "rootfs for neo freerunner" |
| 02:44.56 | hipitihop | zakkm: I don't know I guess that is why I'm asking, last time I checked I thought there was work to be done including using fso etc. |
| 02:45.10 | zakkm | they all have work to be done |
| 02:45.16 | zakkm | even the nokia still has alot missing |
| 02:45.33 | zakkm | never going to be finished though |
| 02:45.48 | zakkm | well, distros dont get finished.. they always work in progress :P |
| 02:45.49 | Macer | heh |
| 02:45.56 | hipitihop | zakkm: indeed :-) ... it looks like I'm in the wrong channel, should I be in #mer ? |
| 02:46.09 | zakkm | well everyone thats in mer is here |
| 02:46.14 | zakkm | and vice versa mostly |
| 02:46.16 | Macer | zakkm: at least i can use console |
| 02:46.21 | Macer | :) |
| 02:46.28 | zakkm | lucky |
| 02:46.30 | zakkm | i wanted to |
| 02:46.46 | zakkm | heres the plan, you come in october for linuxfest ontario, and you let me use your n810 kk? :) |
| 02:46.51 | zakkm | i never seen one in person |
| 02:46.53 | Macer | it is actually pretty nice |
| 02:46.56 | Macer | good res |
| 02:47.03 | zakkm | everyone i seen has been n800 /770 |
| 02:47.08 | zakkm | good res? |
| 02:47.09 | zakkm | its the same res |
| 02:47.16 | zakkm | its just formfactor |
| 02:47.19 | Macer | for a console |
| 02:47.24 | zakkm | oh |
| 02:47.26 | Macer | the fb works well |
| 02:47.44 | zakkm | ahh |
| 02:47.47 | zakkm | i wanted it :( |
| 02:47.50 | Macer | with its raped fb module haha |
| 02:47.57 | zakkm | any chance your near toronto , canada ? :) |
| 02:48.03 | Macer | well |
| 02:48.08 | Macer | im in chicago |
| 02:48.16 | zakkm | oh yes right i knew that |
| 02:48.26 | Macer | ontario would probably be 10 hrs by car |
| 02:48.28 | Macer | heh |
| 02:48.37 | zakkm | its a good thing your kid likes roadtrips eh? :) |
| 02:48.42 | Macer | hahaha |
| 02:48.47 | Macer | no he doesnt |
| 02:48.54 | Macer | we always fly |
| 02:49.01 | zakkm | hey man dont complain its toronto... and if your driving your be passing niagara falls |
| 02:49.07 | zakkm | seeing 2 of the 7 wonders of the world |
| 02:49.18 | Macer | i can go to google images |
| 02:49.30 | Macer | waterfalls are just running water |
| 02:49.34 | zakkm | but then you dont get to see me drool all over your tablet :) |
| 02:49.41 | hipitihop | zakkm: so that fr image, does it now have phone and sms working ? |
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| 02:49.56 | zakkm | neo runner is a phone, i doubt it |
| 02:49.57 | Macer | just sell the n800 for like 100 |
| 02:50.01 | zakkm | i would go with no , but im not the expert |
| 02:50.04 | Macer | and get an n810 |
| 02:50.09 | zakkm | Macer: i been tryingg and im brokee |
| 02:50.14 | zakkm | i work like once every 3 weeks |
| 02:50.21 | Macer | woah |
| 02:50.26 | Macer | thats rough |
| 02:50.29 | zakkm | well |
| 02:50.31 | zakkm | just lately |
| 02:51.03 | Macer | once i get cups going |
| 02:51.14 | zakkm | you can wireless print mail :) |
| 02:51.17 | Macer | im going to try oo |
| 02:51.18 | zakkm | ill start a print server :D |
| 02:51.18 | Macer | haha |
| 02:51.26 | zakkm | you can print stuff to me :) |
| 02:51.27 | zakkm | "hi" |
| 02:51.33 | Macer | hahaha |
| 02:51.37 | zakkm | sorry, bit drunk |
| 02:51.39 | Macer | over a vpn |
| 02:51.48 | zakkm | vpn, just print server |
| 02:51.51 | zakkm | no need for vpn |
| 02:52.05 | Macer | i want to use my vpn |
| 02:52.14 | Macer | if i could do that |
| 02:52.31 | zakkm | got a friend getting me the Snow leopard 10a433 server edition disc :P |
| 02:52.41 | Macer | no zfs |
| 02:52.45 | zakkm | so what |
| 02:52.50 | zakkm | i need quicktime server :P |
| 02:52.54 | zakkm | bought a new webcam hah off ebay |
| 02:52.55 | zakkm | wanna see? |
| 02:53.03 | Macer | cant |
| 02:53.07 | zakkm | kk |
| 02:53.16 | Macer | not in x yet |
| 02:53.22 | Macer | and no browser |
| 02:53.30 | Macer | lying down |
| 02:53.32 | zakkm | compile links with graphic use flag |
| 02:53.41 | zakkm | and get uhh |
| 02:53.43 | zakkm | gpm |
| 02:54.09 | Macer | there is a graphics flag for links? |
| 02:54.21 | Macer | for fb? |
| 02:54.25 | zakkm | are you kidding me |
| 02:54.25 | zakkm | of course |
| 02:54.28 | Macer | lol |
| 02:54.34 | Macer | wow |
| 02:54.37 | zakkm | you never used links -g ? |
| 02:54.43 | zakkm | are you serious |
| 02:54.44 | Macer | honestly never did |
| 02:55.00 | zakkm | its like links.. as a app, works in frame buffer though |
| 02:55.09 | zakkm | and has proper color, picture support and all |
| 02:55.13 | Macer | wow |
| 02:55.21 | Macer | that sounds awesome |
| 02:55.29 | zakkm | tis why i want a n810 :( |
| 02:55.36 | Macer | makes me wonder why i need x |
| 02:55.38 | Macer | haha |
| 02:55.40 | zakkm | links -g , cplay , irssi with jabber |
| 02:55.44 | zakkm | and mplayer |
| 02:55.47 | zakkm | you really dont need X |
| 02:55.51 | Macer | lol |
| 02:55.52 | zakkm | well, your run out of consoles |
| 02:56.02 | Macer | i need it for ooffice |
| 02:57.10 | zakkm | lol you couldnt run all in console |
| 02:57.14 | zakkm | it would be lightweight tho |
| 02:57.23 | Macer | ooffice? |
| 02:57.39 | Macer | dont think that would work |
| 02:57.47 | zakkm | it wont |
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| 02:58.00 | zakkm | it requires X :P |
| 02:58.00 | zakkm | ohhh |
| 02:58.09 | zakkm | have dillo too :) great browser, tried in mer |
| 02:58.12 | Macer | and i am not sure about gpm support for the touchscreen either |
| 02:58.14 | zakkm | cant type though cause its not gtk2 |
| 02:58.26 | zakkm | use flag gpm |
| 02:58.33 | zakkm | and then it will give you touchscreen in console? |
| 02:58.38 | zakkm | theres others i think but yeah |
| 02:58.41 | Macer | dunno |
| 02:58.53 | Macer | just started |
| 02:59.09 | zakkm | have you used gentoo before? |
| 02:59.13 | zakkm | like desktop or something |
| 02:59.46 | Macer | yes |
| 02:59.56 | Macer | 2 yrs ago |
| 03:00.09 | zakkm | oh nice |
| 03:00.10 | Macer | used it quite a bit |
| 03:00.26 | zakkm | i dont get why you guys didnt make a binhots for some things |
| 03:00.35 | zakkm | all tablets are the same, might as well have a binhost for some stuff |
| 03:00.37 | Macer | then i used fbsd, and now opensolaris |
| 03:00.40 | zakkm | gtk+ , X and such |
| 03:00.55 | Macer | zakkm: dunno, never did that in gentoo |
| 03:01.00 | zakkm | i meant for tablet |
| 03:01.05 | zakkm | so installs dont take so long |
| 03:01.10 | Macer | Luke-Jr has one |
| 03:01.16 | zakkm | like some stuff like pidgin.. that ppl change by use flags.. so you dont |
| 03:01.16 | Macer | havent used it tho |
| 03:01.23 | Macer | not my project |
| 03:01.25 | Macer | heh |
| 03:01.25 | zakkm | but Xorg .. that wont change, thats hardware specific choices |
| 03:01.48 | zakkm | save alot on install time |
| 03:02.02 | Macer | yah, i asked him about that |
| 03:02.18 | Macer | nokia stuff cant be in the tarball |
| 03:02.25 | Macer | lic problem |
| 03:02.27 | Macer | heh |
| 03:02.30 | zakkm | lic? |
| 03:02.36 | zakkm | not the tarball |
| 03:02.40 | Macer | license |
| 03:02.43 | Macer | oh |
| 03:02.46 | zakkm | a repository .. binhost = binary repository |
| 03:03.01 | zakkm | non official :P |
| 03:03.04 | Macer | might be a lic problem there too |
| 03:03.16 | Macer | need to have sr available |
| 03:03.20 | Macer | src |
| 03:03.27 | zakkm | no? |
| 03:03.43 | zakkm | gentoo can be binary, it doesnt have to be source , it just ruins the point |
| 03:03.48 | Macer | are there use flags for arm things |
| 03:03.51 | Macer | ? |
| 03:03.54 | zakkm | no |
| 03:04.00 | zakkm | those are cxxflags and cflags. |
| 03:04.02 | zakkm | cpu specifics |
| 03:04.02 | Macer | no arm mmx |
| 03:04.04 | Macer | ? |
| 03:04.09 | Macer | :) |
| 03:04.12 | zakkm | it wouldnt change anything |
| 03:04.18 | Macer | oh |
| 03:04.25 | zakkm | and the cflag would do that |
| 03:04.28 | zakkm | with or without use flag |
| 03:05.13 | Macer | ok, sleep |
| 03:05.20 | zakkm | night. |
| 03:05.25 | Macer | will continue tomorrow |
| 03:05.28 | Macer | night |
| 03:05.42 | Macer | need gkrellm2 too |
| 03:05.54 | zakkm | hah |
| 03:05.58 | Macer | wonder how well it works with tablet |
| 03:06.02 | zakkm | it was uhh |
| 03:06.06 | Macer | for sensors |
| 03:06.07 | zakkm | in penguinbaits port of something he had it |
| 03:06.19 | zakkm | but it ran inside maemo as a chroot though, so thats different |
| 03:06.27 | Macer | battery at least |
| 03:06.41 | zakkm | does it have battery support? |
| 03:06.43 | zakkm | gentoo port |
| 03:06.50 | Macer | yes |
| 03:06.59 | Macer | bme-client works |
| 03:07.10 | zakkm | so then it will work fine |
| 03:07.15 | zakkm | omg why cant i finish this beer |
| 03:08.41 | Macer | coward |
| 03:08.43 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 05:01.02 | StsN810 | morn |
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| 06:03.44 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 06:03.56 | man_in_shack | how would you get a pygtk app to respond to the fullscreen button? |
| 06:05.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Google "pymaemo tutorial", click the first result, and find "key-press-event" |
| 06:05.25 | man_in_shack | ok |
| 06:08.52 | man_in_shack | ty |
| 06:09.53 | man_in_shack | helpful as always :D |
| 06:10.28 | man_in_shack | i've now got a fullscreenable big red button :D |
| 06:10.37 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
| 06:11.19 | man_in_shack | slightly dithered due to not enough colour definition for my images ... i'll have to fix that later :P |
| 06:11.50 | man_in_shack | bye! |
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| 06:34.51 | ron1n | Hey guys, this may not be the best place to ask, but do you have any information on a next gen tablet? Possibly using maemo 5 I just heard about? |
| 06:37.29 | roope | :D it is either a very good place or a very bad place to ask. |
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| 06:37.53 | roope | perhaps try reading talk.maemo.org forums for the latest speculation. |
| 06:38.12 | roope | there's plenty of chatter there. |
| 06:38.27 | zakkm | of what? |
| 06:39.41 | roope | Maemo future stuff. |
| 06:40.01 | zakkm | ah |
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| 06:42.51 | RST38h | So quiet...Not discussing the screenshots, are we? =) |
| 06:43.25 | timeless_mbp | considers discussing suggested forms of torture |
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| 06:45.27 | zakkm | wants to hear about different forms of torture |
| 06:45.31 | StsN810_ | heh, i just get more sure i want a tablet by those |
| 06:45.57 | zakkm | RX-51 ones? |
| 06:46.08 | zakkm | Morning StsN810 |
| 06:46.17 | Luke-Jr | is anyone else here seriously considering getting rid of and ceasing usage of computers? |
| 06:46.18 | Macer | hm |
| 06:46.20 | Luke-Jr | or just me? |
| 06:46.21 | StsN810_ | maemo5 is more accurate to say |
| 06:46.43 | StsN810_ | luke-jr: i have that feeling often |
| 06:46.49 | zakkm | StsN810_: installed mer 0.16testing2 btw, and realized i dont have linux anymore to try usb networking |
| 06:47.00 | Luke-Jr | StsN810_: really? |
| 06:47.09 | StsN810_ | zakkm, wait for t3 |
| 06:47.15 | Macer | Luke-Jr: your keymaps don't work in X huh? |
| 06:47.24 | zakkm | estimated time frame of release? |
| 06:47.25 | Luke-Jr | Macer: shrug |
| 06:47.28 | Macer | i' m stuck without any fn characters again :( |
| 06:47.39 | zakkm | sorry summer nearing end, trying to calendar mark stuff |
| 06:47.45 | Macer | did i miss a step? |
| 06:47.48 | StsN810_ | zakkm, today |
| 06:47.54 | zakkm | oh wow cool |
| 06:48.00 | zakkm | thanks :) |
| 06:48.17 | RST38h | zakkm: How about giving you RX-51 running WinMo? |
| 06:48.21 | RST38h | Heya Sts, Macer |
| 06:48.29 | zakkm | i love windows mobile? :) |
| 06:48.49 | zakkm | friend has a htc touch with windows mobile, i like it |
| 06:49.05 | zakkm | hate typing but yeah :P |
| 06:49.55 | zakkm | windows mobile is sick |
| 06:49.58 | StsN810_ | luke-jr: i occasionally subscribe to the butlerian jihad thoughts |
| 06:50.08 | RST38h | Sts: Which ones? |
| 06:50.12 | zakkm | doesnt make more of a tablet OS though, its more of a phone/pda |
| 06:51.36 | StsN810_ | rst38h, thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of the human mind" |
| 06:51.51 | StsN810_ | s/the/a/ |
| 06:51.58 | StsN810_ | .. |
| 06:53.22 | RST38h | Sts: Ah, that... |
| 06:53.28 | Luke-Jr | what do computers have in common with the human mind? :/ |
| 06:53.28 | StsN810_ | and how repulsed by how guided and controlled by machines they had become :P |
| 06:53.44 | RST38h | Sts: I would be more worried about human minds degenerating to machine state nowadays |
| 06:54.30 | Luke-Jr | I'm mostly just frustrated with the low quality of programmers I think |
| 06:54.48 | Luke-Jr | sure, there are exceptions, but every OS has at least a significant part in crappy code |
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| 06:55.37 | Macer | Luke-Jr: is there somewhere i can find out the keymappings for the n810 and how to change them in X? |
| 06:55.49 | Luke-Jr | xmodmap |
| 06:55.55 | slonopotamus | hello, maemo |
| 06:56.06 | RST38h | Luke: Have you ever done computer programming? |
| 06:56.19 | slonopotamus | :) |
| 06:56.25 | Jaffa | RST38h: Not much to say which hasn't already been said on tmo (about 6,000,000,000 times) |
| 06:56.32 | Macer | i have fluxbox going |
| 06:56.38 | Macer | it's actually not too bad on the tablet :) |
| 06:56.56 | Macer | once i get like a tranparent term going and background and stuff |
| 06:57.00 | Macer | it will be pretty awesome |
| 06:57.06 | slonopotamus | Macer, and matchbox? |
| 06:57.16 | Macer | slonopotamus: where was that cups bug again? i'm about to emerge it |
| 06:57.22 | Macer | slonopotamus: i just got that installed a little while ago |
| 06:57.31 | Macer | i have to learn how to make it look better than ths stock |
| 06:57.36 | RST38h | Jaffa: Well, the original Russian blog entry does have a few details that Google Translate chewed up |
| 06:57.38 | slonopotamus | Macer, google: gentoo bug cups cflags |
| 06:57.46 | Macer | slonopotamus: i tried that but i'll try again |
| 06:58.07 | slonopotamus | err |
| 06:58.12 | zakkm | Macer: get rxvt-unicode and start it with "urxvt -tr +sb -fg white" |
| 06:58.35 | Jaffa | RST38h: Ah, of course. Care to provide a decent translation? |
| 06:58.41 | Macer | slonopotamus: yeah. i did that already |
| 06:58.51 | Macer | but get a bunch of everything else and now what i was looking for :) |
| 06:59.00 | Jaffa | Bits I remmeber "more screenshots to come", "full preview on announce day", "best device of 2009" |
| 06:59.00 | slonopotamus | Macer, http://bugs.gentoo.org/261214 |
| 06:59.07 | Macer | ok thanks |
| 06:59.10 | Macer | i'll book mark it |
| 06:59.18 | slonopotamus | Macer, found by 'gentoo bugzilla cups cflags' |
| 06:59.19 | Macer | and start emerging things with cups support after it's installed |
| 07:00.11 | Macer | oh |
| 07:00.37 | Macer | let me man xmodmap |
| 07:00.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, I have just got to a real computer after a few days, going to post the decent translation in a moment |
| 07:00.47 | Macer | and work on getting this damn kb to work like it does in the console |
| 07:00.48 | Macer | then i'll be set |
| 07:00.49 | Macer | :) |
| 07:00.57 | slonopotamus | Macer, that was with cups-1.3.10-r1. maybe newer versions magically got fixed, dunno |
| 07:01.03 | Macer | cups and an office app are top of the to do list |
| 07:01.04 | Macer | oh |
| 07:01.54 | Macer | i'm sure something like that would have to be |
| 07:01.58 | Macer | that is a pretty major bug :) |
| 07:02.32 | slonopotamus | Macer, i suggest trying 1.3.11 before patching |
| 07:02.48 | Macer | fsck |
| 07:02.51 | Macer | file not found |
| 07:02.52 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 07:03.11 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.25 | Macer | i think thats when i had a conflict of interest between e2fsprogs |
| 07:03.49 | slonopotamus | oooh! |
| 07:03.57 | slonopotamus | that's an old story |
| 07:04.23 | slonopotamus | they got split in e2fsprogs + e2fsprogs-libs |
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| 07:05.05 | Macer | relly? |
| 07:05.15 | Macer | why would they do something like that? :) |
| 07:05.24 | slonopotamus | Macer, http://www.odi.ch/weblog/posting.php?posting=524 |
| 07:05.32 | Macer | i know like there is one that is part of linux-utils |
| 07:05.35 | Macer | or something like that |
| 07:05.43 | Macer | and the other is part of e2fsprogs |
| 07:05.46 | Macer | or whatever it's called |
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| 07:07.35 | slonopotamus | Macer, does emerge -vpuND world system resolve conflict? |
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| 07:09.17 | Macer | let me see |
| 07:09.34 | Macer | i think i actually unemerged e2fsprogs just to install X or something |
| 07:09.37 | Macer | i forgot what it was |
| 07:09.45 | Macer | just as a temp fix then remerged it later |
| 07:10.10 | Macer | which is fine as long as i don't check the hd when it boots haha |
| 07:10.20 | Macer | but bad if the fs is broken :) |
| 07:12.27 | Macer | OH |
| 07:12.39 | Macer | i know why it screwed up but yeah. i don't have any conflicts with that slonopotamus |
| 07:13.01 | Macer | wow that's going to be a very long build |
| 07:15.01 | Macer | when i built a lot of stuff i used the unstable branch in the beginning then changed the flag |
| 07:15.31 | Macer | puts his n810 on the charger |
| 07:15.47 | Macer | it's going to be doing this for like 10 days haha |
| 07:16.07 | RST38h | Whoever wanted exact translation of Eldar Murtazin's post, here, feed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=312969#post312969 |
| 07:18.08 | slonopotamus | Macer, you don't have to build all that |
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| 07:20.59 | Macer | slonopotamus: going to anyways |
| 07:21.16 | Macer | just to make sure the unnecessary unstable branch stuff is removed |
| 07:21.23 | Macer | minus the stuff in unmask and keywords |
| 07:21.50 | Macer | RST38h: does it show how to get sound working in a gentoo install on a tablet? :) |
| 07:21.51 | Macer | haha |
| 07:21.57 | Macer | i was reading the sound on tablet stuff |
| 07:22.05 | Macer | or sound in deblet.. seems kind of a pain |
| 07:22.29 | Luke-Jr | Macer: btw, Deblet =~ Mer |
| 07:22.58 | Stskeeps | mer sound is actually easier, heh |
| 07:23.30 | Macer | lol |
| 07:23.30 | RST38h | Macer: No, but the solution is very simple anyway |
| 07:23.38 | Macer | RST38h: yah? have a link? |
| 07:23.39 | RST38h | Macer: 1) Remove Gentoo 2) Install Diablo |
| 07:23.44 | Macer | hahahah |
| 07:24.00 | Macer | why do that? i can just boot to the internal SD ;) |
| 07:24.07 | RST38h | True |
| 07:24.09 | Macer | instead of the external |
| 07:24.15 | Macer | but i want it working in gentoo |
| 07:24.20 | RST38h | But in general, I am not sure why run Gentoo on the tablet |
| 07:24.24 | Macer | i'm about to try to build openoffice or at least abiword with cups support |
| 07:24.27 | Macer | that will be great |
| 07:24.33 | RST38h | Build on the tablet? :) |
| 07:24.37 | Macer | yah |
| 07:24.52 | RST38h | Ah, the adventurous one |
| 07:24.55 | Macer | lol |
| 07:24.57 | Macer | it works fine |
| 07:25.01 | Macer | a little slow but still not too bad |
| 07:25.01 | Luke-Jr | RST38h: Macer's tried Maemo, Mer, and Gentoo; according to him, Gentoo works the best ;) |
| 07:25.23 | Macer | no. maemo works the best.. but is being abandoned and is difficult to get cups support in hildon apps |
| 07:25.40 | Macer | gentoo is almost as good if i get the sound working ;) |
| 07:25.41 | Luke-Jr | Macer: the overall-best? :P |
| 07:25.44 | RST38h | Luke: I wonder what he uses to measure this "best" thing... |
| 07:25.46 | Macer | yeah |
| 07:26.07 | Macer | RST38h: i consider it being the best if i can use it like an actual laptop with a working ui and print over a vpn ;) |
| 07:26.27 | Macer | so i guess maemo and gentoo are tied only because maemo has the hardware all working stock |
| 07:26.50 | Luke-Jr | bbl |
| 07:26.52 | Macer | if it had printing support built into some apps |
| 07:26.59 | Macer | i'd keep maemo4 forever heh |
| 07:27.17 | Macer | if it had a stripped down openoffice. it would be godlike |
| 07:27.30 | Macer | gentoo makes it feel more like a slow laptop tho :) |
| 07:27.34 | Macer | which is absolutely awesome |
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| 07:28.01 | RST38h | Macer: Urgh |
| 07:28.06 | Macer | and the thing about gentoo is once you finally get it to where you want it to be |
| 07:28.17 | Macer | you don't really need to build that much more :) as long as it does what you want |
| 07:28.24 | RST38h | hopes Nokia has seen the light and is working on adding SOME office support to Maemo right now |
| 07:28.24 | Macer | like print from an office app heh |
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| 07:28.39 | Macer | yeah. that's really all it is lacking |
| 07:28.54 | RST38h | The RX-51 looks like a business device, if it misses core business apps people will be disappointed |
| 07:28.55 | Macer | maemo4 would be beyond the best if it had office type apps that could print |
| 07:29.14 | Macer | my n95 could print to bt printers :) |
| 07:29.15 | Macer | heh |
| 07:29.18 | Macer | wtf? |
| 07:29.20 | RST38h | I am sure you can piece together printing support even without cups |
| 07:29.29 | RST38h | My E70 can print to BT printers :) |
| 07:29.31 | Macer | but the cups is necessary |
| 07:29.35 | RST38h | As long as they are made by HP anyway |
| 07:29.37 | Macer | to print to network printers |
| 07:29.47 | Macer | over a vpn ;) |
| 07:29.50 | RST38h | Macer: Piece together some kind of a gateway |
| 07:29.51 | Macer | that'd be pimp |
| 07:30.01 | Macer | i guess that is why they marketed it as an "internet tablet" |
| 07:30.08 | Macer | so it wouldn't have been seen as an office device |
| 07:30.14 | Macer | just something to get on the net with |
| 07:30.23 | RST38h | Surely RX-51 will be called a different name ;) |
| 07:30.26 | Macer | so people wouldn't be disappointed when they found out |
| 07:30.29 | Macer | haha |
| 07:30.38 | Macer | "ah well.. i guess i expected too much from an internet tablet" |
| 07:32.42 | RST38h | Ok, back to suffering another sunstroke on the beach =( |
| 07:32.49 | Macer | RST38h: yah. if nokia actually does finally release a new "tablet" |
| 07:32.52 | Macer | i'd buy it in a heartbeat |
| 07:33.10 | Macer | but i'm sure i'd still use my n810 for a lot of stuff if i can get an awesome gentoo install going |
| 07:33.12 | ron1n | roope: sorry for the delayed gratitude, but thanks =] |
| 07:33.24 | RST38h | Macer: RX-51 will be a tablet, as far as we are all concerned, you have seen the pictures |
| 07:33.37 | RST38h | Macer: If you do not like the baseband chip, do not use it |
| 07:33.56 | roope | I don't really know anymore how people define a "tablet" vs. a non-tablet. |
| 07:34.11 | RST38h | roope: Not N800 = non-tablet ;) |
| 07:34.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Can it make calls using a GSM network? =) |
| 07:34.41 | Corsac | when is maemo summit? |
| 07:34.52 | RST38h | roope: In reality you will hear all kinds of justification (no dual SD slot, no dpad, phone capability) but if you look behind these you will see "Not N800 => not a tablet" |
| 07:35.28 | roope | "Not what I was expecting" => "Not a tablet". ;) |
| 07:35.42 | RST38h | roope: It is like those iPhone folks who always complain how NIT is not an iPhone |
| 07:36.04 | Macer | heh |
| 07:36.09 | RST38h | roope: The only way to satisfy them is basically make NIT into an iPhone with ALL features present, all the way to AppStore |
| 07:36.20 | Macer | well. i was more so distinguishing between "tablet" and "internet tablet" |
| 07:36.20 | Macer | ;) |
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| 07:37.28 | RST38h | roope: Only when Steve Jobs' patented toilet plunger is ALL the way up their collective ass, only then will they accept that "NIT is an iPhone now" :) |
| 07:41.10 | roope | Anyways. I think many people will be generally happy with the rx-51. |
| 07:41.29 | roope | At least there are a number of things that I am generally happy with it. :) |
| 07:41.52 | ron1n | wow, so the "N900" is like the N97 without Symbian. That really sounds prefect. |
| 07:41.56 | pupnik_ | i think RST38h has summarized popular expectations well |
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| 07:42.20 | roope | It shouldn't be a faster horse, it should be a faster N800. |
| 07:43.10 | pupnik_ | i am basically happy a major manufacturer is making linux tablets and phones |
| 07:43.23 | pupnik_ | that overrides the whine-reflex for me |
| 07:43.47 | ron1n | pupnik_: I felt the same joy when the 770 was introduced. |
| 07:43.55 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 07:44.13 | pupnik_ | would be more awesome of course to have a whole range of omap3 tablets and phones running linux |
| 07:44.29 | pupnik_ | or maemo |
| 07:44.38 | ron1n | thats why I chose an android handset this time around |
| 07:44.48 | Razumihin | or hate everything and die alone :( |
| 07:45.45 | ron1n | pupnik_: I found theres much open source love in the N series of handsets |
| 07:46.27 | ron1n | the latest one however, the N97, has just received awful reviews. I couldn't justify the purchase. |
| 07:46.34 | pupnik_ | why awful? |
| 07:46.42 | pupnik_ | old apps? |
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| 07:47.02 | ron1n | well, apparently the latest version of Symbian is really unresponsive and buggy |
| 07:47.23 | ron1n | and firmware v1.2 hasn't really done much to fix the stability issues. |
| 07:47.26 | roope | I'd personally recommend the E72. |
| 07:47.33 | roope | Instead of the N97. |
| 07:47.45 | ron1n | roope: the E series always seemed underpowered to me |
| 07:48.06 | roope | ronin: E72 has the 600mhz processor. |
| 07:48.12 | Razumihin | Hmm... i don't think that n97 is that buggy really. Some of the applications like facebook are, but in overall n97 crashes couple of times a week. |
| 07:48.15 | roope | It's _really_ not underpowered. :) |
| 07:48.39 | Razumihin | If you compare that to windows mobile crashing once a day i think it's not bad. |
| 07:49.10 | ron1n | roope: I don't mean in brute force, I mean in multimedia capabilities. The focus of the E series was more business oriented. |
| 07:49.13 | qwerty12_N810 | N97 was a rushed job due to the developers knowing that their work would be obsolete with Rover ;P |
| 07:49.30 | Razumihin | Main problem with n97 and symbian 5th is the limited software availability, you just can't get decent memo program to it. |
| 07:49.50 | ron1n | Razumihin: yeah, this is only the second device to ship with it, its still young |
| 07:49.53 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Heh :) |
| 07:50.00 | roope | ronin: Yes, kind of. Then again, E72 has the 3.5" headphone jack, it runs mp3:s, browser runs flash etc. |
| 07:50.02 | Razumihin | qwerty12_N810: might be. |
| 07:50.09 | roope | I think it's pretty versatile already. |
| 07:50.29 | pupnik_ | i would be scared of a 3.5" headphone jack |
| 07:50.41 | roope | 3.5mm :) |
| 07:50.41 | ron1n | I loved it on my N95 |
| 07:50.42 | Razumihin | I still think that as a phone n97 is pretty decent, it has great calll quality and you get used to the keyboard. |
| 07:51.19 | ron1n | Razumihin: I longed for a touchscreen device that had a physical keyboard and ran symbian |
| 07:51.46 | ron1n | but being the second device to run Symbian 5, it just seems to good to be true right now |
| 07:52.52 | ron1n | I would love even more for user upgradeable operating systems in the N and E series haha |
| 07:53.04 | Jaffa | RST38h: thanks for the translation |
| 07:53.48 | Razumihin | I'm still waiting for people to understand that their phones are really small sized arm computers and they should have the possibility to choose their operating system. |
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| 07:55.47 | ron1n | Razumihin: I agree who heartedly |
| 07:56.15 | ron1n | I quickly found out the difference between a mobile OS and a full featured OS when I installed android on my eee pc. |
| 07:56.31 | ron1n | it just felt a whole lot less useful. Then I thought about doing it the other way around. |
| 07:56.49 | ron1n | So the first thing I do when I get my HTC magic, is try to install debian on it. |
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| 07:58.51 | StsN810_ | is it hacked yet? :P |
| 08:01.57 | ron1n | StsN810_: Yeah they've managed to root it =D |
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| 08:02.19 | StsN810_ | heh, but can they replace kernel? |
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| 08:02.55 | ron1n | StsN810_: I don't doubt they (xda-developers.org) |
| 08:03.01 | ron1n | can't* |
| 08:03.43 | ron1n | They managed to do it on the G1 (htc dream) |
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| 08:04.08 | ron1n | I really don't like the idea of using exploits and backdoors to gain root access to a device I own though. |
| 08:04.40 | ron1n | alas, the price you pay for Linux with a 3G radio. |
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| 08:06.45 | StsN810_ | so rx-51 will be bliss |
| 08:07.34 | ron1n | I would have love to stick around for it, but I couldn't wait. My original model N-gage kicked the bucket a few months ago. |
| 08:07.56 | ron1n | I couldn't wait a day longer, not even for the N97 fw2.0 |
| 08:08.32 | Jaffa | ron1n: The price you pay for Linux with a 3G radio is about to change (as StsN810_ says) |
| 08:09.02 | ron1n | Jaffa: and I can't wait =] |
| 08:09.31 | Corsac | roope: but e72 is not yet available :/ |
| 08:09.55 | ron1n | I have just been without a handset for so long. I keep checking engadget and waiting for the next new thing XD |
| 08:10.14 | Corsac | (and yeah, e72 looks nice but *if* rover comes soon enough, I think between it and e72 the choice will not last long |
| 08:10.24 | Corsac | I mean, symbian vs. maemo |
| 08:11.41 | ron1n | I think maemo, once matured, has the power to replace symbian. |
| 08:13.26 | ron1n | nevermind, I take that back. Its the same thing as Debian vs Android. |
| 08:13.45 | ron1n | Full os vs mobile os. |
| 08:15.31 | timeless_mbp | pokes andre__ |
| 08:15.52 | timeless_mbp | andre__ could you upstream 4101/4103? |
| 08:15.55 | qwerty12_N810 | <3's HildonStackableWindow |
| 08:17.05 | StsN810_ | qwerty12, saw my freemantle shot? |
| 08:17.20 | qwerty12_N810 | No, where is it? :) |
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| 08:18.06 | StsN810_ | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/freemantle-appmanager.png |
| 08:18.35 | Jaffa | StsN810_: "Freemantle" is just too confusing ;-) |
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| 08:18.55 | StsN810_ | jaffa, intentional :> |
| 08:18.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Hehe, nice. Now all you need to do is tie wazd to a chair and get him to make you a dark theme ;) |
| 08:19.11 | timeless_mbp | roope: fwiw, i tried the browser yesterday for the first time, i was actually happy |
| 08:19.17 | timeless_mbp | roope: you should visit and play |
| 08:20.44 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: could you fix something so it shows your device name instead of "" above installed applications? |
| 08:20.47 | timeless_mbp | it's really annoying :) |
| 08:24.35 | StsN810_ | timeless_mbp: probably :) |
| 08:24.44 | timeless_mbp | please? |
| 08:24.58 | qwerty12_N810 | device name is just a bluez thing |
| 08:25.07 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.07 | StsN810_ | if i find out where HAM gets it.. |
| 08:25.09 | Macer | lol! |
| 08:25.16 | Macer | of course it's not an iphone :) |
| 08:25.31 | timeless_mbp | StsN810_: the console gives an error hinting at where it can't get it |
| 08:25.38 | StsN810_ | ah |
| 08:26.18 | Macer | wow. this thing is going to be going for a very long time |
| 08:26.21 | Macer | goes back to sleep |
| 08:26.36 | Macer | heh. just goes to show why this should be done right the first time :) |
| 08:26.47 | qwerty12_N810 | 'export DEFAULT_ADAPTER=/org/bluez/hci0 && dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=org.bluez $DEFAULT_ADAPTER org.bluez.Adapter.SetName "string:<name"' works in Maemo |
| 08:27.35 | timeless_mbp | "works"? |
| 08:27.42 | Macer | how do you paste in screen? |
| 08:27.50 | Macer | i got the copy part down :) but i don't know how to paste in it |
| 08:28.04 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: It changes the name shown in the File manager/Application manager |
| 08:28.28 | timeless_mbp | does it work in mer? |
| 08:28.45 | qwerty12_N810 | No idea |
| 08:29.44 | Macer | hm |
| 08:30.01 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.07 | Macer | oh. no kidding heh |
| 08:30.15 | Macer | it's ctrl a [ and ] |
| 08:30.16 | Macer | :) |
| 08:30.27 | Macer | awesome. i'm sure that will come in handy |
| 08:31.44 | Macer | slonopotamus: around? |
| 08:31.51 | Macer | oh nevermind |
| 08:31.55 | slonopotamus | -.- |
| 08:32.12 | Macer | you said you don't do n810 stuff? :) was just wondering if you had keymaps to use with xmodmap |
| 08:32.25 | Macer | Luke-Jr said i needed to use that to get Fn characters |
| 08:32.54 | slonopotamus | Macer, no, i don't, nothing to test on. |
| 08:33.02 | Macer | oh. ok. |
| 08:33.11 | Macer | i guess i can always just install the soft keyboard |
| 08:33.26 | Macer | wonder if there is a way to get the soft keyboard on the bottom of fluxbox in a line with nothing but the special characters and numbers :) |
| 08:33.30 | Macer | that would be pretty awesome |
| 08:34.54 | slonopotamus | Macer, you'll have troubles with Fn key |
| 08:35.12 | Macer | yah. but i fi can get the menu key to do it like Luke-Jr has it in the console |
| 08:35.15 | Macer | that's fine :) |
| 08:35.17 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, did you have Fn fix for xorg, btw? |
| 08:35.30 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, or you just moved to Xomap? |
| 08:35.43 | Macer | it works great using his method in the console |
| 08:36.49 | Macer | i think i'll put mer on the internal sd later this week |
| 08:37.03 | Macer | hopefully my inability to login to the ssh was just a fluke |
| 08:37.04 | Macer | :) |
| 08:37.21 | Macer | something i did wrong maybe |
| 08:37.41 | slonopotamus | Macer, what's up with ssh? |
| 08:37.56 | Macer | slonopotamus: dunno. when i tried to login as a user.. ssh kept asking me to renew my pw |
| 08:38.10 | slonopotamus | Macer, in mer? |
| 08:38.10 | Macer | like. i would renew it. then try to login again with the new pw. and it would ask me to do it again |
| 08:38.20 | Macer | it was weird.. yeah. in mer |
| 08:38.34 | slonopotamus | newer saw ssh asking to renew pw |
| 08:38.56 | Macer | yeah. i don't know why it was doing that. but i'll re-install it on the internal sd once i'm done getting gnetoo going |
| 08:39.06 | Macer | if anything to try out that new wm :) |
| 08:39.24 | StsN810_ | macer, RTC problem re renw |
| 08:39.37 | Macer | huh? |
| 08:40.00 | StsN810_ | PAM bug |
| 08:40.04 | slonopotamus | Macer, btw. you'll pull in new python. don't forget to run python-updater :) |
| 08:40.05 | Macer | ah i see |
| 08:40.05 | pupnik_ | the priorities of my laziness are strange. instead of writing some data down on a piece of paper, i'm reflashing the n810 so i can scp the data to it. |
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| 08:40.16 | Macer | slonopotamus: yah. i'll make sure i do |
| 08:40.20 | Macer | ran into that problem before with gentoo |
| 08:40.21 | Macer | :) |
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| 08:40.32 | Macer | i think it was one of the reasons i switched to fbsd for quite a while |
| 08:40.46 | Macer | then Sts showed me nexenta... which brought me to opensolaris heh |
| 08:41.06 | Macer | i haven't looked back as far as a server goes. opensolaris kind of sucks on a desktop tho |
| 08:41.19 | Macer | i think maybe because it uses gnome... i perfer kde on a desktop if i am going to use a bloated enviroment :) |
| 08:41.30 | slonopotamus | used fbsd 4.x... good time :) |
| 08:41.59 | Macer | prefer |
| 08:42.13 | Macer | i thought 4.1 was supposed to be pretty good |
| 08:42.17 | Macer | zfs support at least :) |
| 08:42.28 | Macer | like. kernel level zfs support. the real deal |
| 08:42.37 | Macer | at least that is what i heard |
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| 08:42.40 | Macer | i didn't use it |
| 08:43.20 | Macer | StsN810_: ever see Zoolander? :) |
| 08:43.35 | slonopotamus | Macer, how i do 'emerge --depclean' in fbsd, btw? |
| 08:43.38 | Macer | when his father sees him as a mermaid and he runs out screaming "I'M A MERMAN!! A MERMAN!!" |
| 08:44.03 | slonopotamus | lol |
| 08:44.08 | slonopotamus | merman :) |
| 08:44.20 | Macer | slonopotamus: don't know. never installed something i didn't need in fbsd ;) |
| 08:44.32 | Macer | i'm sure it's some make depremove in ports tree |
| 08:44.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: his phone was funnier :p |
| 08:44.40 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: yeah haha |
| 08:44.53 | Macer | i like the way he flipped it open |
| 08:44.56 | Macer | like it was a huge phone haha |
| 08:45.08 | Macer | the movie in general was pretty funny |
| 08:45.26 | Macer | "You want to see the real underground world of male modeling..?" |
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| 08:46.25 | Macer | i just thought about the Merman part :) |
| 08:46.38 | Macer | and thought about Mer |
| 08:46.39 | Macer | haha |
| 08:48.28 | Macer | i'm on 6 of 58 |
| 08:48.29 | Macer | lol |
| 08:48.46 | slonopotamus | world + system? |
| 08:49.01 | Macer | yes |
| 08:49.07 | Macer | there were a lot of upgrade |
| 08:49.11 | Macer | s |
| 08:49.18 | Macer | and a few downgrades :) |
| 08:49.26 | Macer | from me using the unstable branch in the beginning |
| 08:49.43 | slonopotamus | that stage is a bit old and stable (not ~arm) |
| 08:50.01 | Macer | yeah. i changed my make.conf to use ~arm for a bit |
| 08:50.08 | Macer | because i got tired of adding pkgs to keywords :) |
| 08:50.37 | Macer | it's ok tho. i have to stop into the office this morning. that should kill a few hours |
| 08:51.04 | Macer | then i guess i'll come home and take my son to the lake or something. if it's a nice enough day to go to the beach |
| 08:51.27 | lcuk | macer, someohow the thought of stskeeps and qgil in a walk off amuses me |
| 08:51.34 | slonopotamus | there was some tool that added keywords automatically. never used it, though |
| 08:51.37 | Macer | lcuk: hahahaha |
| 08:51.51 | lcuk | something we could arrange for the summit |
| 08:51.54 | Macer | "You want to see the real underground world of linux software development...." |
| 08:52.02 | Macer | hahaha |
| 08:52.11 | lcuk | who would judge it tho |
| 08:52.21 | Macer | Luke-Jr would be up for it i'm sure |
| 08:52.22 | Macer | haha |
| 08:52.23 | lcuk | i doubt we could get bowie in time |
| 08:52.38 | Macer | damn i forgot david bowie did that for the movie |
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| 08:52.47 | Macer | david bowie was the shit in the 80s heh |
| 08:52.54 | sarower | good morning all |
| 08:52.58 | Macer | imean cmon! he was the goblin king! |
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| 08:53.29 | sarower | Can i resize a dialog (GtkDialog) or change its position? |
| 08:53.39 | sarower | if yes then how can i do that... |
| 08:53.55 | sarower | i have read the manual but the api does not work! |
| 08:54.05 | sarower | any body........any idea? |
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| 08:54.29 | lcuk | since gtk is based on contents, just put more stuff in it and it will grow to accomodate. you cannot manually resize it manually tho |
| 08:54.42 | lcuk | i tihnk theres something like a spacer element |
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| 08:55.05 | lcuk | waves hands |
| 08:55.07 | jrocha | lcuk, you can manually resize |
| 08:55.08 | Macer | new eurekas are great |
| 08:55.09 | Macer | heh |
| 08:55.14 | Macer | missed eureka |
| 08:55.35 | lcuk | jrocha, then tell sarower, im happy being wrong as long as people help :P |
| 08:55.49 | sarower | jrocha: How can i do that? |
| 08:56.02 | jrocha | to resize a widget you can pack it inside a box with the options of fill and expand set to false |
| 08:56.05 | jrocha | then |
| 08:56.16 | jrocha | you use gtk_widget_set_size_request |
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| 08:56.26 | jrocha | and it will resize the widget |
| 08:56.47 | sarower | but if i do not pack it inside box....is it possible? |
| 08:57.00 | jrocha | where are you putting it? |
| 08:57.11 | jrocha | and which widget is that? |
| 08:57.20 | pupnik_ | nice work on adding pkgs to maemo-extras, guys. it's like a new tablet to see all that stuff available. |
| 08:57.22 | sarower | 1 min |
| 08:57.33 | sarower | can i paste the code here? |
| 08:57.43 | sarower | small amount |
| 08:57.47 | qwerty12_N810 | ~pastebin |
| 08:57.48 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 08:57.59 | jrocha | lcuk, it is true though, that there's no real freedom, it may depend on other things like other widgets packed |
| 08:58.49 | jrocha | just tell me what you wanna do |
| 08:58.51 | pupnik_ | wonder how openssh package prompts user for new password |
| 08:59.26 | sarower | i am jus taking a dialog in applet |
| 08:59.30 | sarower | like this: |
| 08:59.38 | sarower | dialog = gtk_dialog_new_with_buttons ("Input Status Message", NULL, |
| 08:59.38 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.38 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.38 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.46 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: Ed Bartosh added a program to do so that runs in postinst :) |
| 09:00.08 | sarower | then doing something on it.. like adding a GtkEntry field |
| 09:00.08 | pupnik_ | ahchaaa |
| 09:00.33 | sarower | then gtk_widget_show_all (dialog); |
| 09:01.02 | sarower | but i want to resize the dialog as well as to change the position of the dialog |
| 09:01.47 | jrocha | so, you want to resize a dialog, only that? |
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| 09:02.05 | jrocha | then you should use the function I mentioned: gtk_widget_set_size_request |
| 09:02.46 | sarower | yes... |
| 09:02.56 | sarower | but gtk_widget_set_size_request does not work |
| 09:03.08 | sarower | only height can be changed...by this api |
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| 09:06.06 | lcuk | macer, new eurekas are more about fart jokes so ive noticed |
| 09:06.38 | pupnik_ | xterm in maemo-extras needs that improved (not courier) font |
| 09:06.50 | pupnik_ | eh no that's the xterm that ships - nm |
| 09:07.45 | lcuk | jrocha, quick fix, within his packing box cant he just add a spacer row to force the width to something |
| 09:08.16 | lcuk | harder to write than to think about, something (600px,1px) for instance |
| 09:08.27 | lcuk | unless theres a specific type for this kind of thing |
| 09:08.44 | sarower | lcuk; even i do not use a packing box! |
| 09:08.45 | jrocha | sarower, what do you mean only height can be changed? |
| 09:09.13 | lcuk | ahh lol i thought everything within gtk ended up in a packing box |
| 09:09.22 | jrocha | gtk_widget_size_request: Sets the minimum size of a widget; that is, the widget's size request will be width by height. |
| 09:09.39 | sarower | jrocha: by using this method the height is changed of the dialog |
| 09:10.07 | jrocha | sarower, yes, but so is the width |
| 09:10.46 | lbt | no packing box? |
| 09:11.11 | lbt | sarower: so inner widgets are statically positioned? |
| 09:11.16 | sarower | jrocha: suppose i want to make the dialog 400x200, can not i do? |
| 09:11.31 | lbt | what happens when the virtual keyboard pops up? |
| 09:11.48 | jrocha | oh |
| 09:11.51 | jrocha | sorry, |
| 09:11.52 | sarower | no not for less that diablo |
| 09:12.01 | sarower | i am using freemantle |
| 09:12.07 | jrocha | that's right |
| 09:12.09 | jrocha | of course |
| 09:12.11 | sarower | there is no virtual keyboard |
| 09:12.26 | jrocha | using fremantle, all you can set is the height |
| 09:12.28 | jrocha | by definition |
| 09:12.39 | jrocha | sorry, I didn't know you were talking about Fremantle |
| 09:12.47 | sarower | but not the width |
| 09:12.50 | sarower | !!1 |
| 09:12.54 | lbt | sarower: so it won't work on Mer then :( |
| 09:13.01 | _berto_ | there's gtk_window_resize() for windows/dialogs |
| 09:13.13 | lbt | what about if the screen rotates? |
| 09:13.18 | _berto_ | but in fremantle all dialogs use the full width of the screen |
| 09:13.24 | jrocha | why would you want the width to be set in fremantle? |
| 09:13.26 | sarower | hmm |
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| 09:13.47 | jrocha | I thought you knew you couldn't, that's why I thought you were not using Fremantle |
| 09:13.51 | sarower | thats another thing ... but i want it |
| 09:14.44 | jrocha | I don't see the point in wanting to resize a dialog's width in Fremantle |
| 09:15.22 | sarower | no need to resize the height in Fremantle? |
| 09:15.31 | sarower | sorry width! |
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| 09:15.56 | sarower | restriction to change the width of dialog in Fremantle? |
| 09:16.31 | timeless_mbp | help? |
| 09:16.40 | timeless_mbp | how do i get the address book stuff? |
| 09:16.50 | timeless_mbp | bug 4921 seems to indicate it exists |
| 09:17.02 | _berto_ | sarower: all dialogs use the full width of the screen in fremantle |
| 09:17.25 | jrocha | sarower, Fremantle takes a different approach to usability which means it restricts somethings in order to keep that usabilityr |
| 09:17.42 | lcuk | does the app get to know the "client area" within that "full width" dialog? |
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| 09:18.02 | lcuk | cos of the buttons on the side, an app cannot assume 800px |
| 09:18.22 | lcuk | and does that width change based on theme |
| 09:18.30 | timeless_mbp | _berto_: the screen doesn't have to be 800 px wide in fremantle |
| 09:18.42 | timeless_mbp | and fwiw the default apis for dialogs are awful |
| 09:19.03 | timeless_mbp | because if your screen is 480 px wide, then there's a confirm button which eats most of the available width |
| 09:19.41 | _berto_ | that's a design decision |
| 09:19.50 | timeless_mbp | what's a bad decision? |
| 09:19.54 | timeless_mbp | being incredibly short sighted? |
| 09:19.56 | _berto_ | what's the problem in the api ? |
| 09:20.41 | timeless_mbp | find me the api list and i'll point out the bad one |
| 09:20.56 | timeless_mbp | i think it's the list apis |
| 09:21.07 | timeless_mbp | some sort of pannable dialog |
| 09:21.14 | pupnik_ | very nice font for xterm - the original PC VGA font: http://www.fixedsysexcelsior.com/ |
| 09:21.22 | Macer | 6 teravolts |
| 09:21.23 | Macer | haha |
| 09:21.27 | sarower | ok..... but can i set the position of the dialog. that means customizing the position of the dialog! |
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| 09:21.52 | timeless_mbp | dialogs are supposed to start from the bottom and grow up |
| 09:22.13 | timeless_mbp | if you're incredibly stupid, you can arrange for the dialog height to jump around as people try to click on a bar at the top edge of the dialog |
| 09:23.19 | _berto_ | you mean if you set the dialog height by hand ? |
| 09:23.24 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 09:23.29 | timeless_mbp | dialog height grows according to contents |
| 09:23.36 | timeless_mbp | but if you change what is visible as you change 'tabs' |
| 09:23.45 | timeless_mbp | then bad things happen because the height fluctuates |
| 09:23.48 | timeless_mbp | =braindead |
| 09:23.51 | timeless_mbp | please don't do that |
| 09:24.01 | Macer | i love eureka |
| 09:24.08 | timeless_mbp | too |
| 09:24.17 | Macer | heh |
| 09:24.19 | timeless_mbp | hasn't seen it on .fi channels in a while |
| 09:24.30 | _berto_ | i think i haven't seen a dialog with its height fluctuating in fremantle |
| 09:24.37 | _berto_ | do you have a test case for that ? |
| 09:24.47 | timeless_mbp | do you have the full image or just the sdk? |
| 09:24.57 | _berto_ | full image |
| 09:25.01 | timeless_mbp | it's in there :) |
| 09:25.10 | timeless_mbp | i've only used a handful of apps |
| 09:25.14 | Macer | timeless_mbp: they stopped making episodes for a long time |
| 09:25.15 | Macer | since the strike |
| 09:25.25 | Macer | the writer strike :) they just now started releasing new ones |
| 09:26.13 | lcuk | it wasnt a strike |
| 09:26.24 | lcuk | there was a containment failure in section 5 |
| 09:26.31 | lcuk | they had to restrict output for a wwhile |
| 09:28.30 | jrocha | timeless_mbp, you mean that when you have a shown dialog and hide stuff that are contained within it, that is height readjusts? |
| 09:31.38 | sarower | I am telling about positioning a dialog in freemntle. Suppose i want to set the position of a dialog at (0,0). Is it possible or not? |
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| 09:32.08 | sarower | then we can discuss about how we can do so! |
| 09:33.03 | lcuk | sarower, a dialog is shown from bottom up, and the only way to canel is to have some space above it, so i would say, no you cannot position a dialog at 0,0 |
| 09:33.50 | lcuk | you can position it at (0,screen.h-dialog.h) |
| 09:33.58 | lcuk | but thats automatic anyway |
| 09:34.14 | sarower | oh.... |
| 09:34.56 | sarower | Thanks all |
| 09:35.02 | _berto_ | you can only change its height |
| 09:35.10 | Macer | lcuk: hahahah |
| 09:36.40 | Macer | funny thing about eureka is that they just continued season 3 |
| 09:36.42 | Macer | heh |
| 09:58.52 | pupnik_ | jav[tab] jav[tab] |
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| 10:08.57 | wazd | heya all |
| 10:11.08 | VDVsx | hello wazd :) |
| 10:12.26 | VDVsx | wazd, did you already stole some of the maemo5 proto's circulating in your country ? :P |
| 10:12.33 | VDVsx | wazd, I want one :) |
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| 10:13.47 | wazd | VDVsx: nah, that's not me :) |
| 10:14.17 | VDVsx | wazd, shame :( |
| 10:14.24 | wazd | VDVsx: but as I was told it's possible to get one of the proto's here since they are produced near St petersburg |
| 10:14.44 | wazd | VDVsx: and you need to have some good contacts with Nokia R&D :P |
| 10:15.08 | VDVsx | wazd, or with the truck driver ;) |
| 10:15.09 | qwerty12_N810 | Lies! All one needs is a ski mask and an AK-47 :p |
| 10:15.10 | javispedro | morning |
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| 10:16.32 | javispedro | already talking about the AK-47? man, they should ask everyone to wear body armor in the maemo summit. |
| 10:16.35 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: well, thats the hardcore way :) |
| 10:16.52 | wazd | javispedro: heya{ |
| 10:17.09 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: don't worry, Nokia are safe: I won't be attending ;D |
| 10:17.14 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: :p |
| 10:17.40 | VDVsx | lol |
| 10:17.47 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: why are you not attending? Still 5 yo or something? :D |
| 10:18.54 | qwerty12_N810 | No passport and lack of time :) |
| 10:18.54 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: oh, no passport, weclome to the club :) |
| 10:18.54 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, LIES, you should come :P |
| 10:19.38 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, you are afraid of be kidnapped by nokia ;) |
| 10:20.20 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
| 10:20.23 | wazd | Oh my god, I rellised that I had a dream with RX-51 in it |
| 10:20.35 | wazd | I think I should call the doctor or something :D |
| 10:20.59 | wazd | rellised/realised |
| 10:21.18 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, don't worry lardman will kidnap you anyway ;) |
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| 10:21.32 | qwerty12_N810 | *gulp* |
| 10:21.35 | VDVsx | we have a plan, ahahahahah |
| 10:22.19 | VDVsx | lcuk is the mastermind :) |
| 10:22.29 | VDVsx | hides |
| 10:22.35 | javispedro | reads about the rover having a 6 hour battery life |
| 10:22.40 | javispedro | http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin |
| 10:22.57 | javispedro | also about the Rover's software being made in Russia. |
| 10:23.14 | VDVsx | lol |
| 10:23.29 | lcuk | wonders what hes masterminding |
| 10:23.52 | lcuk | apart from a maemo fryup |
| 10:24.03 | VDVsx | lcuk, qwerty12_N810 's kidnap |
| 10:24.19 | VDVsx | to bring him to the summit |
| 10:24.20 | lcuk | oh, thats easy - ill do that before the summit :P |
| 10:24.45 | _berto_ | made in russia ? :) |
| 10:24.47 | qwerty12_N810 | I knew I shouldn't have made all those northerner comments... |
| 10:24.49 | lcuk | i really hate myself now, does freenode have any (gulp) .net channels |
| 10:24.50 | _berto_ | which part of the software? |
| 10:25.10 | javispedro | dunno _berto_, I was thinking wtf. |
| 10:26.10 | _berto_ | :) |
| 10:26.32 | lcuk | o_O searching freenode for channels with vb brings up maemo as top :D |
| 10:26.40 | VDVsx | _berto_, GTK/hildon was invented in Russia, everybody know that :P |
| 10:26.45 | qwerty12_N810 | Because |
| 10:26.48 | javispedro | all your fault lcuk |
| 10:26.55 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: because you're in it :p |
| 10:26.55 | javispedro | ;) |
| 10:27.01 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:27.05 | wazd | well, 6 hours of video - not too bad |
| 10:27.59 | lcuk | i hate to say it, does anyone actually know of any visual studio oriented irc channels |
| 10:28.17 | zerojayPC | boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 10:28.24 | javispedro | I know a spanish one lcuk ;) |
| 10:28.33 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: #/dev/null |
| 10:28.39 | lcuk | thats not really useful unless you till translate |
| 10:28.50 | lcuk | ive got a silly question that is annoying me |
| 10:28.51 | javispedro | nobody said VB.NET was going to be easy |
| 10:28.55 | javispedro | ;P |
| 10:28.58 | lcuk | its not the langue |
| 10:29.01 | suihkulokki | I'm sure there is a mono channel that can be used .net in general |
| 10:29.07 | lcuk | nor working in it - i can code quite happily |
| 10:29.10 | lcuk | its project management |
| 10:29.27 | VDVsx | lcuk, vb list of channels: http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh |
| 10:29.30 | lcuk | i cant find a way to open a single project without opening the whole damned solution and colleagues files |
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| 10:29.51 | lcuk | VDVsx, thanks, that worked |
| 10:29.55 | VDVsx | ;) |
| 10:29.59 | javispedro | ~curse tinyurl |
| 10:30.00 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, tinyurl ! |
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| 10:30.15 | lcuk | :D tinyurl might know how to do my stuff then |
| 10:30.21 | tigert | heya |
| 10:30.32 | Stskeeps | 'lo tigert |
| 10:31.27 | javispedro | so why does everyone have a rover save for those encourage to write for it? |
| 10:32.24 | lcuk | why do those with rovers keep talking about them and teasing those without |
| 10:33.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Why are those with Rovers not getting jacked? |
| 10:33.18 | VDVsx | Why I don't have a rover ? |
| 10:33.21 | lcuk | a cadre of attack kittens protecting houses |
| 10:36.24 | tigert | wonders about some user interface related stuff for summit |
| 10:36.50 | tigert | I like hands-on sessions but I wonder what would be most useful..? |
| 10:37.48 | pupnik_ | hi javispedro - finally tested chrono trigger. great job. almost smooth music. |
| 10:38.07 | javispedro | glad to hear :) |
| 10:38.18 | pupnik_ | do you have a version with scaling / xsp yet? |
| 10:38.25 | Stskeeps | tigert: depends on the topic i guess |
| 10:38.31 | javispedro | yep, did you install the config file? |
| 10:38.31 | tigert | yeah |
| 10:38.38 | pupnik_ | not yet |
| 10:38.43 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/DrNokSnes.txt to ~/apps/ |
| 10:38.47 | javispedro | then use the fullscreen button |
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| 10:38.56 | tigert | icon-design-while-you-wait has always been popular of course :) |
| 10:39.26 | javispedro | or, |
| 10:39.32 | javispedro | pupnik_, are you using the one on extras-devel? |
| 10:39.35 | javispedro | or the one on the forum? |
| 10:39.38 | tigert | but having some hackfest on "lets think how your app might work with people who have large thumbs and small screen" topic maybe? |
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| 10:40.03 | Stskeeps | redesigning desktop applications for the mobile use case? |
| 10:40.12 | tigert | Stskeeps: something like that |
| 10:40.28 | pupnik_ | grabbed the 8/11 from your site javispedro |
| 10:40.35 | Stskeeps | that one would be useful tbh - we have a lot of hildonization work and Qt/Maemo work coming up |
| 10:40.37 | javispedro | ah, no fullscreen then |
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| 10:40.55 | pupnik_ | aha http://depot.javispedro.com/noksnes/drnoksnes-20090812.gz |
| 10:41.08 | javispedro | wait a bit and I'll make an updated binary (the package is outdated now too :P) |
| 10:41.18 | pupnik_ | also javispedro - first test.smc version quit with ctrl-c. now i have to kill-9 noksnes |
| 10:41.22 | tigert | Stskeeps: a lot of the garage apps have really small elements |
| 10:41.42 | javispedro | pupnik_, yep, that was the static-libgcc issue |
| 10:42.25 | Stskeeps | tigert: "10 tricks to make your app mobile use case able"? :P |
| 10:42.32 | tigert | Stskeeps: perhaps |
| 10:42.36 | pupnik_ | k 8/12 testing - ty |
| 10:42.53 | pupnik_ | great speed improvement on 8/12! |
| 10:43.03 | javispedro | it's the first one with frameskip |
| 10:43.03 | pupnik_ | well a touch at least |
| 10:43.04 | VDVsx | tigert, there's already some submission around UI, please try to avoid topics repetition :) (eg. http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Designing_UI_for_Maemo_5_.E2.80.93_Fit_for_the_Product) |
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| 10:43.14 | javispedro | (other than fixed 1 that is) |
| 10:43.18 | tigert | Stskeeps: and how to avoid forking XYZ, but instead of having a mobile ui as a subset maybe? |
| 10:43.41 | pupnik_ | no start button yet javispedro ? |
| 10:43.47 | javispedro | yes, there is now |
| 10:43.56 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/DrNokSnes.txt take a look if you want |
| 10:44.00 | javispedro | the syntax should be easy to understand |
| 10:44.06 | Stskeeps | tigert: "using the VC in MVC to suit your application to mobile use case?" :P |
| 10:45.30 | suihkulokki | wtf at the "expanding the tablet user base" talk proposal |
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| 10:46.35 | javispedro | pupnik: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/drnoksnes-20090819.gz |
| 10:46.44 | RST38h | rst38h 1 : vodafone.gr 0 |
| 10:46.45 | javispedro | damn its big |
| 10:46.49 | javispedro | ah, it has the debug symbols |
| 10:46.50 | VDVsx | suihkulokki, Consulting company's ;) |
| 10:47.17 | javispedro | well, strip it if you want. |
| 10:47.24 | RST38h | found the magic set of gprs settings |
| 10:47.45 | tigert | RST38h: predefined ones didnt work? |
| 10:47.49 | adeus | consult abbrv. con and insult |
| 10:48.05 | pupnik_ | scancode 65 = "a" javispedro ? |
| 10:48.11 | pupnik_ | k ty |
| 10:48.24 | javispedro | http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg <-- hehe |
| 10:48.27 | RST38h | vodafone, may it be taken over by mts and its logo permanently replaced by an egg, has not made it easy |
| 10:48.37 | RST38h | tigert: joking? |
| 10:48.55 | tigert | RST38h: no |
| 10:49.04 | RST38h | tigert: "predefined" is 12 euro / mb |
| 10:49.21 | tigert | RST38h: what settings are you talking about? |
| 10:49.32 | tigert | in your N810 or something? |
| 10:49.33 | RST38h | tigert: gprs |
| 10:50.11 | RST38h | tigert: does it matter? |
| 10:50.28 | tigert | I thought the price stuff depends on your contract with the operator, not about settings in the device? |
| 10:50.52 | RST38h | that too |
| 10:51.12 | tigert | at least I just chose "my operator name" in the list and the contract defined the rest, didnt have to change anything in the device to get flatrate 3g |
| 10:51.17 | pupnik_ | javispedro: 08/19 copied to /usr/bin - launched with drnoksnes test.smc - getting a text on shell "Video: 256x239, 16 bits per pixel, windowed" and blackscreen |
| 10:51.32 | RST38h | anyways, after paying magic secret 3.50 euro fee, the price wnt down |
| 10:51.33 | tigert | well, it was via the bluetooth + phone, but anyway |
| 10:51.41 | tigert | ah ok |
| 10:51.45 | javispedro | damn it... |
| 10:51.50 | RST38h | But! |
| 10:52.04 | pupnik_ | hmm lemme check smth |
| 10:52.05 | javispedro | I knew I shouldn't have built whatever I had on my working copy :P |
| 10:52.11 | pupnik_ | oh it's all fun |
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| 10:52.23 | RST38h | no ssh access and the tablet cannot connect to any website |
| 10:52.50 | pupnik_ | works javispedro - i had left an old drnoksnes running by accident |
| 10:52.58 | javispedro | ah, lol :) |
| 10:53.02 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Surely Vodafone cannot be the only network there? |
| 10:53.19 | pupnik_ | nice job on the fullscreen, man |
| 10:53.26 | javispedro | btw pupnik_ RST38h : I did an oprofile session yesterday: http://maemo.pastebin.com/d6f74d21e |
| 10:53.28 | RST38h | google google google and lo and behold, the bastards have got a separate set of settings that works with nit and lets me sssh |
| 10:53.32 | javispedro | as you can see, rendering's the bottleneck. |
| 10:53.44 | RST38h | only it is secret! |
| 10:54.24 | RST38h | qwerty: one of two, i am not adventurous enough to hump the second one as well |
| 10:54.41 | RST38h | javis: no shit sherlock |
| 10:54.50 | javispedro | ;) |
| 10:54.53 | RST38h | javis: need pointers? |
| 10:55.08 | pupnik_ | mode7? what game is that running? |
| 10:55.10 | tigert | RST38h: gah |
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| 10:55.17 | javispedro | mkart, one of the slowest for me. |
| 10:55.35 | tigert | RST38h: one would guess pissing on the customers eye is not exactly the road to success? |
| 10:55.40 | pupnik_ | k that's not a common mode, iirc |
| 10:55.51 | pupnik_ | but people will want to play that |
| 10:55.53 | tigert | RST38h: how much is flatrate gprs there btw? |
| 10:56.05 | javispedro | that function is not asm (currently generated through some cpp macros) |
| 10:56.11 | javispedro | so I guess I know where to start :P |
| 10:56.29 | RST38h | tigert: i dunno, but e3.50 seems to do the job for the last 3 days |
| 10:56.50 | pupnik_ | good grief :). 27-31fps in chrono trigger with sound and fullscreen atm |
| 10:57.04 | RST38h | tigert: it is a monthly fee too |
| 10:57.46 | RST38h | ok, this is all nice but to help javis I will need a pc. a moment javis |
| 10:57.59 | tigert | ok |
| 10:58.12 | javispedro | oh, don't worry RST38h, for now I guess I just need to dedicate time for it ;) |
| 10:58.42 | pupnik_ | this is really close to awesome |
| 10:59.06 | pupnik_ | sample playback underruns, but at least they repeat instead of dropping out |
| 10:59.20 | pupnik_ | nice job by squidge or whoever on that |
| 10:59.44 | javispedro | yep, the main loop configures the spc, but the audio thread is the one rendering |
| 11:00.08 | javispedro | aka if the audio thread needs two buffers filled but the main loop hasn't looped yet it'll just refill the buffer with the same spc state. |
| 11:01.19 | javispedro | mkart is now 10/60 in game with sound, no speedhacks. |
| 11:01.33 | javispedro | no sound makes it 15/60, no sound + speedhacks makes it 20/60 |
| 11:03.27 | RST38h | javis: Could you give that oprofile results link again? |
| 11:03.43 | tigert | javispedro: I wonder how is the battery consumption? |
| 11:03.51 | javispedro | RST38h, http://maemo.pastebin.com/d6f74d21e |
| 11:04.09 | javispedro | tigert, ugly of course, unless you set very high frameskips in which case it sleeps. |
| 11:04.15 | tigert | I guess it would be hard to help that in a game where you need fps, but yeah |
| 11:04.18 | pupnik_ | javispedro: what is /no-vmlinux doing? |
| 11:04.26 | javispedro | the kernel |
| 11:04.32 | RST38h | javis: What is it doing in linux all that time??? |
| 11:04.36 | pupnik_ | that looks rather high doesn't it |
| 11:04.38 | javispedro | probably NFS, sorry. |
| 11:04.43 | RST38h | hmmmm |
| 11:04.43 | pupnik_ | ahh |
| 11:04.46 | RST38h | Still |
| 11:05.04 | RST38h | javis: Could you kill that and see if Linux line goes away fro oprofile? |
| 11:05.29 | javispedro | kill the kernel? |
| 11:05.44 | javispedro | ah sorry |
| 11:05.46 | javispedro | kill NFS |
| 11:05.48 | RST38h | no, kill the nfs or whatever is eating clock cycles |
| 11:05.48 | javispedro | yes, wait |
| 11:05.52 | pupnik_ | man this CT music puts me in a good mood |
| 11:06.03 | RST38h | does suspect it is more like a problem with symbol resolution |
| 11:06.11 | RST38h | those 16% should belong to the 65816 emulation |
| 11:06.20 | javispedro | RST38h, oh, I fixed those :P |
| 11:06.24 | javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d43c3890f |
| 11:06.29 | javispedro | this was previously |
| 11:06.34 | javispedro | which made no sense of course. |
| 11:07.01 | RST38h | Umgh....Ok, stupid question: are you drawing every single frame? |
| 11:07.13 | javispedro | it shouldn't. |
| 11:07.20 | RST38h | [btw, Murtazin promised a review tonight] |
| 11:07.43 | RST38h | javis: Please make sure it does not, you should only be drawing 30-35% of the frames |
| 11:07.50 | javispedro | wait, short-term todo buffer overflown :) |
| 11:10.02 | javispedro | (i need to boot the nit with the oprofile kernel, so it's taking a lot) |
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| 11:11.53 | pupnik_ | looks like frameskip works fine |
| 11:12.02 | pupnik_ | i can load the system with other stuff and it gets jumpy |
| 11:12.18 | RST38h | using automatic frameskip is a bad idea |
| 11:12.31 | RST38h | just set it to 30% and relax |
| 11:12.40 | pupnik_ | well for games like CT, it looks like frameskip 1 (fixed) is within reach |
| 11:13.04 | RST38h | there is absolutely no point to reach minimal frameskip |
| 11:13.28 | RST38h | you only want frameskip to be "good enough" which is almost always 30-35% |
| 11:13.29 | pupnik_ | frameskip 2 would be better for those situations where the sprite turns off alternating frames (damaged player) |
| 11:13.41 | pupnik_ | i don't understand % frameskip |
| 11:13.52 | RST38h | yes, that is why you skip not every two frames of three, but you count exactly 35% |
| 11:13.59 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 11:13.59 | RST38h | pupnik: Ok, consider this: |
| 11:14.18 | RST38h | moo, wazd, it looks like the Murtazin guy is finally spilling it |
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| 11:14.35 | RST38h | pupnik: you have got a counter that you increment by 1 on each simulated VBlank |
| 11:15.01 | RST38h | pupnik: Wait, scratch the above line :) |
| 11:15.25 | RST38h | pupnik: Make it: You have got a counter that you increment by the percentage number (let us say 35) every simulated VBlank |
| 11:15.45 | RST38h | pupnik: Every time it reaches or exceeds 100, you draw the frame and subtract 100 from the counter |
| 11:15.49 | wazd | RST38h: well, he held himself as long as he could :) |
| 11:16.05 | RST38h | pupnik: This way, you are drawing exactly 35% of frames, on the average |
| 11:16.26 | RST38h | pupnik: And because of the jitter inherent in this model, you are never going to get the problem of sprites not showing |
| 11:16.51 | RST38h | pupnik: Do you also want to know why automatic jitter control is bad? |
| 11:17.30 | RST38h | wazd: I guess photos of the actual devices made him do it, he got afraid that somebody ELSE would spill it before him and take the laurels |
| 11:18.01 | javispedro | it is bad RST38, I agree, only does wonders for music. |
| 11:18.14 | pupnik_ | oh i get it RST38h - makes perfect sense ty |
| 11:18.21 | javispedro | fixed frameskip is "-s 1|2|3|4" |
| 11:18.27 | pupnik_ | wooo |
| 11:18.44 | RST38h | javis: -s 2 should probably do it |
| 11:18.53 | RST38h | if they mean "2 out of 3" by this |
| 11:19.15 | pupnik_ | i think this is javis' own frameskip code |
| 11:19.30 | javispedro | no, I finally grabbed snes9x one |
| 11:19.44 | wazd | RST38h: yep :) |
| 11:19.46 | javispedro | mines did really nothing (but at least was faster :P) |
| 11:19.59 | javispedro | IPPU.RenderThisFrame = ++IPPU.SkippedFrames >= limit; |
| 11:20.09 | wazd | RST38h: well, we're on the winning side anyway :) |
| 11:20.25 | RST38h | wazd: Ah, how can we lose :) |
| 11:21.57 | pupnik_ | sound still blubbering at fs 2, fs 4 |
| 11:22.02 | javispedro | so a value of 0 renders every frame, a value of 1 renders every frame (lol), a value of 2 renders every other frame, a value of 3 renders 1 each 3 frames. |
| 11:22.19 | pupnik_ | heh |
| 11:22.20 | RST38h | You won't get sound correct anyway |
| 11:22.27 | pupnik_ | why? |
| 11:22.32 | RST38h | So, forget the sound, work on the overall framerate for now |
| 11:22.53 | pupnik_ | it's pretty close now |
| 11:23.07 | RST38h | pupnik: Well, if it is not melodic, not FM, but wave sound, your audio hardware expects 22050 samples a second |
| 11:23.23 | javispedro | also "-t" forces it not to sleep between fraces |
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| 11:23.32 | RST38h | pupnik: Your simulated system runs at let us say 30fps, so it can only supply you with 11025 samples a second |
| 11:23.41 | jeremiah | mikkov_: Oh really? What is your logic? |
| 11:23.53 | jeremiah | mikkov_: Not saying you're wrong, just would like to have some rationale. |
| 11:23.59 | RST38h | pupnik: When using melodic or FM sound, you can just render as many new samples as you wish |
| 11:24.01 | talig | Hi everyone, I'm trying to write an install script for something and I wanted to ask how can you run .install files (for repositories) from the terminal |
| 11:24.03 | talig | Anyone knows? |
| 11:24.07 | RST38h | pupnik: You have got the frequency, the volume, etc |
| 11:24.20 | pupnik_ | i think the SNES only uses samples, not FM sound... spc700 |
| 11:24.21 | RST38h | pupnik: With wave sound, if you have not got the samples, you have not got the samples, period |
| 11:24.24 | jeremiah | talig: Well, if you are installing a package on your tablet, you can use dpkg |
| 11:24.30 | RST38h | pupnik: So you are getting a "pop" |
| 11:24.35 | jeremiah | do a 'man dpkg' |
| 11:24.40 | javispedro | the snes does not use sampled sound |
| 11:24.45 | javispedro | save for very few games. |
| 11:24.52 | talig | jeremiah: I'm not installing a package. I want to set up the repository... |
| 11:24.53 | RST38h | If it does not use sampled saound, then you should be ok |
| 11:24.54 | javispedro | the spc ram is 64k, not too many samples there. |
| 11:25.00 | pupnik_ | ahh |
| 11:25.01 | jeremiah | Usually you need to be root to use dpkg for installation; 'dpkg -i <package> |
| 11:25.11 | RST38h | Although I would not make sound quality a top priority UNTIL you reach at least 45-50fps framerate |
| 11:25.12 | jeremiah | talig: You want to enable a repo for the tablet? |
| 11:25.26 | javispedro | you can disable the sound thread with "-a" ;P |
| 11:25.26 | talig | jeremiah: yes, and I want to do it from the terminal |
| 11:25.27 | jeremiah | talig: I think, personally, that should be left up to the user. |
| 11:25.46 | jeremiah | talig: That is not good practice. |
| 11:25.53 | talig | jeremiah: This is not a user-application, it's something to make my life easier for now |
| 11:25.55 | javispedro | the APU is still emulated but it should not render sound. |
| 11:26.01 | jeremiah | talig: Ah, I see. :) |
| 11:26.03 | jeremiah | okya |
| 11:26.09 | RST38h | talig: Click on .install file from a browser. Then forget about it. |
| 11:26.12 | jeremiah | s/okya/okay/ |
| 11:26.21 | talig | RST38h: I need to run it from terminal |
| 11:26.28 | qwerty12_N810 | talig: dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.hildon_application_manager /com/nokia/hildon_application_manager com.nokia.hildon_application_manager.mime_open string:"file:///location/to/.install" will bring up the application manager asking the user to add the repos from the given install |
| 11:26.50 | talig | qwerty12_N810: no user interaction, please. |
| 11:26.51 | RST38h | Ehehehe |
| 11:27.02 | javispedro | (damn oprofile keeps settings and thus I made a two-minute profile to NFS ... waste of time again :() |
| 11:27.07 | RST38h | qwerty: She needs a cat >> :) |
| 11:27.11 | talig | guys, I can just edit the sources.list - but I wanted to do something a little more gentle, if possible. |
| 11:27.12 | jeremiah | talig: Can't you just use apt-get? |
| 11:27.23 | talig | jeremiah: to install the repository?! |
| 11:27.27 | pupnik_ | for RPG games, i'd say RST38h's priorities are reversed from mine |
| 11:27.42 | jeremiah | talig: Maybe tell us what you want to do _exactly_ |
| 11:27.43 | RST38h | pupnik: it has no relation to the genre |
| 11:27.51 | talig | jeremiah: Add a repository/ |
| 11:27.54 | javispedro | pupnik_, I like sound :) |
| 11:28.02 | RST38h | pupnik: At low framerates, you will get slow/lagging/poppy sound no matter what you do |
| 11:28.06 | jeremiah | edit /etc/apt/source.list |
| 11:28.13 | RST38h | pupnik: So it makes sense to leave sound for later |
| 11:28.25 | talig | jeremiah: no way to use the .install then. Thanks. |
| 11:28.31 | pupnik_ | RST38h you are doing the precisely correct thing to get me to look into this |
| 11:28.39 | jeremiah | Not that I know of off the top of my head. |
| 11:28.48 | RST38h | pupnik: Hehe ;) |
| 11:29.09 | RST38h | Whatever makes you advance toward the goal, pupnik :) |
| 11:29.19 | talig | jeremiah: Thanks anyways |
| 11:29.46 | qwerty12_N810 | Sound in old games is overrated :) |
| 11:29.51 | javispedro | what??? |
| 11:30.06 | javispedro | it's the reason I still use winamp, even under gnome. |
| 11:30.30 | qwerty12_N810 | I can't stand it, I always have some track or other playing instead :p |
| 11:30.45 | RST38h | qwerty: You haven't heard the good game soundtrack then |
| 11:30.59 | RST38h | qwerty: Try ZanacEX/Aleste, bothavailable for MSX and will play in fMSX |
| 11:31.13 | jeremiah | talig: Sure - sorry I couldn't really help. :/ |
| 11:32.26 | RST38h | qwerty: Other good choices are any Castlevania titles on any platform, Goonies, and Knightmare |
| 11:32.44 | RST38h | qwerty: For Castlevanias you will easily find MIDs/MP3s on the Net |
| 11:32.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Right. :) |
| 11:33.24 | pupnik_ | ttp://snesmusic.org/v2 |
| 11:33.27 | pupnik_ | +h |
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| 11:36.31 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:36.46 | pupnik_ | ^^ javispedro |
| 11:37.05 | javispedro | are you using fixed frameskip? |
| 11:37.14 | pupnik_ | that was -fs 4 fixed |
| 11:37.17 | javispedro | if so, try "-t" |
| 11:37.18 | pupnik_ | will try with -t now |
| 11:37.34 | pupnik_ | now music running fast |
| 11:37.42 | javispedro | that's what happens :( |
| 11:37.46 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.47 | pupnik_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.04 | pupnik_ | but the sample blubbering is exactly the same |
| 11:38.12 | pupnik_ | meaning the sample underruns are not due to overloaded CPU |
| 11:38.18 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 11:38.22 | javispedro | there's something I want to try |
| 11:38.33 | javispedro | currently I have no locking primitives |
| 11:38.42 | javispedro | the audio thread can interrupt the main loop at any point |
| 11:38.56 | javispedro | (didn't put any cause I feared speed) |
| 11:39.02 | pupnik_ | this sounds very neat :) |
| 11:39.09 | pupnik_ | not easy though eh |
| 11:39.10 | javispedro | but may case the blips. |
| 11:39.19 | javispedro | yes, very easy. it is an abomination ;P |
| 11:40.05 | RST38h | javis,pupnik: Folks, always use -t |
| 11:40.13 | RST38h | Now I know where that linux line came from |
| 11:40.30 | javispedro | RST38h, in auto mode it doesn't sleep either |
| 11:40.33 | RST38h | javis: Can you profile with -t -s 2 ? |
| 11:40.40 | javispedro | I mean |
| 11:40.48 | javispedro | it does sleep, but not that much |
| 11:41.00 | javispedro | since it's always "late" as the algorithm calls it. |
| 11:41.25 | pupnik_ | the blubbering is the same, regardless of whether the spc700 is running too fast or too slow |
| 11:41.43 | RST38h | javis: Well it sleeps enough to cause that 16% oprofile line |
| 11:42.16 | javispedro | that's NFS for sure, I'm now using tmpfs for the log data |
| 11:42.20 | javispedro | it writes a lot. |
| 11:42.27 | RST38h | Your total CPU use should not be less than 75%, I guess, if you want this thign to be speedy |
| 11:42.38 | RST38h | Oh you have logging enabled? :) |
| 11:42.46 | RST38h | or is it oprofile log? |
| 11:42.46 | javispedro | oprofile log |
| 11:42.49 | RST38h | I see |
| 11:43.29 | javispedro | the kernel uses 5% now |
| 11:43.41 | RST38h | yep, right number |
| 11:43.41 | javispedro | still a bit... |
| 11:43.58 | pupnik_ | is sound rate fixed javispedro ? |
| 11:44.13 | javispedro | 22050, yes. |
| 11:44.27 | ShadowJK | You'd probably see NFS as McSPI, cx-something and rpciod in top |
| 11:44.32 | pupnik_ | using sdl-audio ? |
| 11:44.35 | javispedro | yep. |
| 11:44.38 | javispedro | which uses esd. |
| 11:44.51 | pupnik_ | k there are some backend issues with sdl-audio and emulators |
| 11:45.26 | pupnik_ | is there a .wav-writer option in drpocketsnes? that helped me fix up NES sound |
| 11:45.56 | javispedro | not yet, and not trivial currently |
| 11:46.00 | RST38h | wazd: not only rx51 news, but the canon g11 got leaked today |
| 11:46.20 | RST38h | wazd: most likely fake though |
| 11:46.42 | jeremiah | RST38h: Faxe rx51 or fake Canon? |
| 11:46.51 | ShadowJK | more rx51 leaks? |
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| 11:47.07 | javispedro | RST38h, pupnik_, new trace with less NFS usage (damn oprofile launched the daemon from nfs, but at least the costly writes were done to tmpfs) |
| 11:47.10 | javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d2ef26c8e |
| 11:47.11 | RST38h | jeremiah: canon |
| 11:47.32 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Well, Murtazin continues writing on his lj and twitter blogs |
| 11:47.47 | RST38h | ShadowJK: He promises a full prerelease review tonight |
| 11:47.47 | javispedro | ShadowJK, thanks, but oprofile does not seem to show kernel threads (probably because I don't have kernel debug symbols on device) |
| 11:47.48 | jeremiah | Ah. |
| 11:47.56 | Summeli | javispedro: nice work! I also considered porting dr. pocket sness at a time |
| 11:48.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Says he can't reveal too many details but there will be way more screenshots |
| 11:48.27 | jeremiah | RST38h: Hmm, he can't possibly have an NDA with Nokia can he? |
| 11:48.36 | RST38h | He does not, I think |
| 11:48.38 | pupnik_ | heh that mode7 is a killer |
| 11:48.58 | RST38h | Ok, gentlemen, should we now consider optimizing that mode7 draw routine? =0 |
| 11:49.12 | ShadowJK | javispedro, yeah I was talking about top :P with oprofile if you had kernel symbols you'd get per function detail? |
| 11:49.21 | javispedro | ShadowJK, in theory :D |
| 11:49.33 | RST38h | jeremiah: There is a little detail though: it looks like a lot of Fremantle software development is done in Petrozavodsk, .RU |
| 11:49.49 | RST38h | jeremiah: And people there talk, you know... |
| 11:50.24 | RST38h | javis: Could you paste that routine to the pastebin? |
| 11:50.47 | jeremiah | RST38h: Wow. Good detective work. ;) |
| 11:51.04 | javispedro | it's generated through a macro -- it was today's plan to manually expand it |
| 11:51.09 | jeremiah | There is always a risk with outsourcing software development. |
| 11:51.11 | RST38h | javis: And, BTW, you may not have noticed it, but the CPU is probably eating about as much |
| 11:51.28 | RST38h | javis: It is just broken into little functions that you will have to add up manually |
| 11:51.48 | RST38h | jeremiah: As far as I can tell, it is not outsourcing, they are just regular nokia employees, but I may be wrong |
| 11:51.53 | javispedro | RST38h, yep, all those Op**** are from the CPU asm core |
| 11:52.07 | RST38h | jeremiah: Geographically, Petrozavodsk is as close to Finland as it gets |
| 11:52.43 | RST38h | javis: Add 'em up in some spreadsheet and you will get the total for the CPU |
| 11:52.44 | jeremiah | RST38h: Aha. Fascinating. |
| 11:53.19 | RST38h | javus: If CPU is not done in assembly, rewriting it in assembly should effectively half that number =) |
| 11:53.57 | javispedro | the cpu is mostly asm |
| 11:54.36 | javispedro | a bit verbose for my liking -- e.g each opcode updates some cycle counters -- but i guess that's needed for accurate sync in the snes |
| 11:54.37 | RST38h | ok |
| 11:54.55 | RST38h | correct, although I *think* 65816 only needs one counter |
| 11:55.15 | javispedro | from memory I remember two at least, plain instruction counter and memory accesses counter. |
| 11:55.30 | RST38h | memory accesses on 65816 are not asynchronous |
| 11:55.41 | javispedro | they use it to simulate timing I guess |
| 11:55.59 | javispedro | when to fire vblank and all that |
| 11:56.21 | RST38h | yes but if mem accesses ar e not async then you can simply count them with cpu cycles |
| 11:56.39 | javispedro | hum, true. |
| 12:01.05 | javispedro | hum, oprofile has assembly annotate function |
| 12:01.20 | javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d4bf32d5 |
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| 12:02.04 | pupnik_ | javispedro: are you using sdlmixer mix_openaudio for sound output? |
| 12:02.10 | javispedro | no sdlmixer. |
| 12:02.26 | javispedro | drpocketsnes itself mixes. |
| 12:02.35 | RST38h | javis: Well, I could have guessed this output even without looking at it |
| 12:02.56 | RST38h | javis: Every time there is a memory access, the NEXT instruction will register higher time |
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| 12:03.12 | RST38h | javis: The bottlenecks occur where multiple memory accesses are grouped |
| 12:03.18 | javispedro | oh, i was looking it wrong then, thanks :D |
| 12:03.45 | RST38h | javis: You also want to know how to solve it on ARM? |
| 12:04.12 | javispedro | rewriting it in arm is going to be enough adventure for today :P |
| 12:04.40 | javispedro | cause I am already seeing some gcc stupidity... |
| 12:04.57 | RepMace | hm |
| 12:05.07 | RepMace | it is on gcc |
| 12:05.14 | javispedro | yep, that's gcc output. |
| 12:05.29 | javispedro | but you don't have the source ;P |
| 12:05.46 | RST38h | javis: You absolutely want to rewrite it in assembler |
| 12:05.55 | javispedro | at least I am sure now the problem is there and not yet another symbol mixup |
| 12:05.57 | RST38h | javis: Not because you can do better optimization job than GCC |
| 12:06.02 | RepMace | no. i meant my gentoo install ;) |
| 12:06.05 | RepMace | haha |
| 12:06.09 | javispedro | lol :D |
| 12:06.15 | RST38h | javis: But because GCC does not give a shit about memory access cost |
| 12:06.25 | javispedro | ah, we're on par on that ;) |
| 12:06.44 | RepMace | i think some time at the end of the year i ought to be able to use my tablet again |
| 12:06.57 | RST38h | javis: So, the solution is to use assembly, stick as many variables as you can into registers, use single register for 2-4 variables |
| 12:07.26 | RepMace | assembly ftw |
| 12:07.28 | RST38h | javis: To access individual fields in a register, use embedded shifts in ARM instructions |
| 12:07.37 | RST38h | javis: And and/bic |
| 12:07.51 | javispedro | do you know if uxtb is one cycle ? |
| 12:08.03 | RST38h | A moment, I do not know this instruction |
| 12:08.18 | javispedro | it's from armv6, gcc uses it a lot |
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| 12:08.31 | RST38h | not supported by arm9/arm11 afaik |
| 12:08.45 | javispedro | what? |
| 12:08.51 | javispedro | n8x0 is arm11 isn't it? |
| 12:09.07 | RST38h | UXTB is 1 cycle on Cortex |
| 12:09.25 | javispedro | it's definitely support on n8x0 |
| 12:09.32 | RST38h | I will check further, maybe missed it at some point |
| 12:09.46 | javispedro | nm, I'll download the docs |
| 12:09.51 | RepMace | waits for mer on his g1 |
| 12:09.58 | RepMace | heh |
| 12:10.09 | RepMace | i think i am going to try a hero rom |
| 12:10.33 | javispedro | well, very interesting talk today, thanks RST38h and pupnik_ |
| 12:10.37 | javispedro | gotta go, see you! |
| 12:10.51 | RST38h | bye |
| 12:11.33 | RST38h | hmmm looks like he is compiling it in thumb mode |
| 12:11.58 | RST38h | maybe not |
| 12:13.06 | RepMace | heh |
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| 12:21.25 | pupnik_ | so beautiful to see these run :) :) :) |
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| 12:26.12 | pablo_ | anybody try to compile Qt using the flag "-opengl" in fremantle !? |
| 12:28.54 | RepMace | shit |
| 12:30.22 | RepMace | 20 of 63 |
| 12:30.29 | RepMace | er. 58 |
| 12:30.48 | RepMace | i hope there are a lot of small ones in there |
| 12:31.05 | RepMace | i have to hand it to htc.. their qwerty is pretty good |
| 12:31.10 | RepMace | on the g1 |
| 12:31.30 | RepMace | i guess compared to the n810 |
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| 12:38.49 | toggles_w | crc |
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| 12:45.13 | pupnik_ | RST38h: blubbering is regular at about 20hz, regardless of game, frameskip or load. Could possibly be occurring internally, or on the backend, imo. |
| 12:45.21 | pupnik_ | or maybe 12 hz |
| 12:46.16 | pupnik_ | perhaps determining the exact blubber/skip frequency would help figure-out which buffer is underrunning |
| 12:46.43 | pupnik_ | e.g. at 22050, a 2kB buffer would have a skip of XX hz |
| 12:50.36 | RepMace | is deblet dead? |
| 12:50.45 | RepMace | the original project? |
| 12:50.54 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:51.00 | RepMace | oh. ok |
| 12:51.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Isn't that what it says on its homepage? ;) |
| 12:51.04 | Stskeeps | trac took up too much memory |
| 12:51.17 | RepMace | dunno. didnt check the homepage |
| 12:51.28 | RepMace | on my phone now. steel takes a min to load |
| 12:51.50 | RepMace | oh |
| 12:52.12 | RepMace | once you get it booting tho does it work like debian in a console? |
| 12:52.28 | RepMace | and use the debian arm repos? |
| 12:52.49 | timeless_mbp | jrocha: basically, yes |
| 12:53.44 | RepMace | Stskeeps: so the whole problem was power and mem for deblet huh? |
| 12:53.54 | Stskeeps | RepMace: and usage |
| 12:54.10 | Stskeeps | a desktop environment just isn't that friendly on a mobile device |
| 12:54.28 | RepMace | ah i see |
| 12:54.42 | RepMace | im sure that is especially true on the n800s |
| 12:54.56 | RepMace | where the kb must have been an issue |
| 12:55.03 | Stskeeps | i didn't have a n810 at that point |
| 12:55.35 | RepMace | fluxbox doesnt seem too bad on the tablet |
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| 12:55.41 | RepMace | little bare but usable |
| 12:56.12 | RepMace | but then again i havent done much with it because i have to fix key mappings |
| 12:56.36 | RepMace | i havent even started the sound yet ;) |
| 12:56.38 | RepMace | heh |
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| 12:56.57 | gtludwig | hello |
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| 12:57.21 | RepMace | im sure at that point i will be ripping out my hair begging you for help Stskeeps |
| 12:57.29 | gtludwig | I'm looking for a detailled howto to perform a firware update on my N800 |
| 12:57.58 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 12:57.59 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:58.24 | gtludwig | infobot, thanks |
| 12:58.25 | infobot | bitte, gtludwig |
| 12:58.46 | RepMace | bitte? |
| 12:59.04 | till- | german bot? |
| 12:59.40 | VDVsx | infobot, thanks |
| 12:59.40 | infobot | VDVsx: de rien |
| 12:59.48 | VDVsx | It seems, lol |
| 12:59.59 | till- | multilangual |
| 13:00.09 | till- | infobot, thanks |
| 13:00.09 | infobot | no worries, till- |
| 13:00.35 | VDVsx | infobot, thanks |
| 13:00.35 | infobot | VDVsx: gern geschehen |
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| 13:00.47 | VDVsx | smart bot :) |
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| 13:02.38 | RepMace | infobot, thanks |
| 13:02.38 | infobot | RepMace: sure thing |
| 13:02.48 | RepMace | goes off addresses? |
| 13:03.07 | RepMace | uses his .tw shell |
| 13:04.06 | VDVsx | don't think so, I'm not French ;) |
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| 13:05.48 | rkirti | or maybe it throws a random language each time ? |
| 13:06.17 | RepMace | infobot, thanks |
| 13:06.17 | infobot | no worries, RepMace |
| 13:06.25 | RepMace | heh |
| 13:06.28 | RepMace | infobot, thanks |
| 13:06.28 | infobot | RepMace: bitte |
| 13:06.32 | RepMace | ah |
| 13:06.37 | RepMace | ok. guess so |
| 13:07.48 | gtludwig | how do I check currently installed firmware on N800? |
| 13:08.03 | Stskeeps | about product |
| 13:08.07 | Stskeeps | in control panel |
| 13:08.47 | gtludwig | Stskeeps, thanks =) |
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| 13:09.34 | gtludwig | says here Version: 5.2008.43-7 |
| 13:09.40 | gtludwig | is this is? |
| 13:09.43 | gtludwig | it* |
| 13:11.44 | Stskeeps | sounds like the latest one |
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| 13:11.59 | pupnik_ | darn, our SDL doesn't support disk-writer output ... export SDL_AUDIODRIVER="disk" |
| 13:12.07 | pupnik_ | apparently at least |
| 13:13.45 | gtludwig | Stskeeps, hmm... is there another way to reset to factory defaults other than updating firmware? I got this N800 second hand on a really good deal and want to zero it =) |
| 13:14.03 | Stskeeps | gtludwig: you can always reflash same version |
| 13:14.32 | gtludwig | Stskeeps, true! |
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| 13:15.47 | gtludwig | Stskeeps, btw the flashing instructions are for linux and mac, is there any instructions for win? I'm a linux user without linux access now =( |
| 13:15.57 | Stskeeps | yes, there's a update tool for windows afaik |
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| 13:17.40 | javispedro | pupnik_, grepping the library seems to indicate so. it only has esd and alsa. |
| 13:18.45 | pupnik_ | wow 'alsa' works as target |
| 13:19.00 | pupnik_ | and fixes the problem |
| 13:19.01 | pupnik_ | :D |
| 13:19.08 | pupnik_ | \o/ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 13:19.20 | pupnik_ | perfect sound javispedro |
| 13:19.35 | javispedro | wow, is that true? |
| 13:19.41 | pupnik_ | yes |
| 13:19.57 | javispedro | of course :P that was a rethorical question ;P |
| 13:19.58 | javispedro | xd |
| 13:20.09 | pupnik_ | dances |
| 13:20.16 | javispedro | erm.. I was impressed cause on mplayer sdl->esd is usually the best and fastest option. |
| 13:20.51 | pupnik_ | god, this is awesome |
| 13:21.03 | javispedro | maybe esd does not like the output audio rate |
| 13:21.26 | javispedro | or does some el-cheapo conversion on it. |
| 13:21.39 | Andy80 | what happened to ALL people karma :P ?! It has been dropped down by lot of points... |
| 13:22.20 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman's revenge! |
| 13:22.40 | Andy80 | :D |
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| 13:22.52 | javispedro | did lardman's karman go down too, maybe his luck is now gone |
| 13:22.54 | Andy80 | http://maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 13:23.17 | Andy80 | I remeber, for example, the TimSamoff's karma was more than 2000 points |
| 13:23.24 | Andy80 | now is 1697 |
| 13:24.38 | qwerty12_N810 | Discussion karma, on my profile, has disappeared :) |
| 13:24.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Now I really do suspect lardman :p |
| 13:25.50 | javispedro | heh, I'm on page 6 now. |
| 13:26.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 13:26.35 | Jaffa | Yeah, I've not got any discussion karma either |
| 13:27.11 | Andy80 | javispedro, on wich page were you before this dropdown? |
| 13:27.21 | javispedro | I think 9 |
| 13:27.36 | Andy80 | so it has been balanced :D |
| 13:27.44 | Andy80 | or scrambled :D |
| 13:28.00 | javispedro | it has been a karma massacre :) |
| 13:28.15 | RepMace | uhm |
| 13:28.24 | jeremiah | Its good for those of us who don't haunt t.m.o though. :) |
| 13:28.28 | RepMace | is this like some D&D thing? |
| 13:28.29 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman hasn't been getting his discussion karma so therefore, we can't either :) |
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| 13:30.11 | javispedro | RepMace: no, this is this: http://progressquest.com/ |
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| 13:31.22 | RepMace | so.... kind of like D&D? |
| 13:31.24 | RepMace | haha |
| 13:31.44 | pupnik_ | qwerty12_N810: perhaps discussion karma was vastly overrated compared to ... developing software |
| 13:31.58 | pupnik_ | i can think of others who may have complained about that |
| 13:32.14 | pupnik_ | (not me!) |
| 13:32.41 | Jaffa | jeremiah: "Discussion" karma is mailing lists ;-p |
| 13:32.51 | javispedro | discussion karma is mailing-list karma, isn't it? the average post there is of higher quality than the average tmo post. (not to offend anyone) |
| 13:32.58 | Jaffa | javispedro: correct. |
| 13:32.59 | talig | Q: Is there a reason why I can't apt-get install maemo-python-device-env , but I can install it from the app manager? |
| 13:33.16 | Jaffa | talig: What does apt-get say? |
| 13:33.37 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: unless you're "wolfmane" or "dariusjack"... |
| 13:33.47 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: indeed... :) |
| 13:34.34 | pupnik_ | javispedro: you *so* made my day... i have to walk to the bank now... playing CT all the way :D |
| 13:34.34 | fiferboy | My karma is the same, but I moved up on the second page :) |
| 13:34.44 | talig | Jaffa: that the package is depended on python2.5 something but that would not be installed |
| 13:34.47 | talig | I tried with -f |
| 13:35.01 | javispedro | pupnik_, heh :) |
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| 13:35.18 | pupnik_ | listening with headphones atm - it's purrfect |
| 13:35.23 | javispedro | and to think I initially wanted to see openspc only cause I though a good emu would be impossible. |
| 13:36.36 | javispedro | glad to hear ALSA works fine, one thing off my todo list (try to put some key SDL_LockAudio around) |
| 13:37.28 | javispedro | i'm actually linking the gui, it snapshots the game each time you quit, then resumes when you launch it again -- much like the builtin chess game. |
| 13:37.32 | javispedro | *liking. |
| 13:38.25 | javispedro | you can do something similar in the cmdline version with the "-o" parameter (i put that to test only and a better one is on my todo list) |
| 13:38.29 | pupnik_ | if you do a build with autosave, please pm me the tgz |
| 13:38.34 | pupnik_ | -o ? |
| 13:38.55 | javispedro | yep, it tries to load from rom_file.frz.gz, and saves to rom_file.frz.gz on exit |
| 13:39.11 | javispedro | (it's what it does when launched from gui) |
| 13:39.15 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 13:39.29 | javispedro | (my plan is that the gui will then move those .frz.gz files around) |
| 13:40.26 | javispedro | the SRAM is autosaved always no mater what, though. |
| 13:41.35 | pupnik_ | drnoksnes is a good name too |
| 13:41.38 | pupnik_ | ok |
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| 13:45.54 | talig | Is there a reason why it's trying to install a deb package that I didn't ask to be installed? (it's a downloaded package, but I don't want it installed now...) |
| 13:46.59 | jeremiah | talig: Is it a dependency for something else you've installed? |
| 13:47.13 | talig | no |
| 13:47.26 | jeremiah | Jaffa: Ah, didn't know that (obviously) :) |
| 13:47.55 | talig | jeremiah: I'm doing apt-get install sudser and I get some-package-that-I-created: Depends ..... |
| 13:48.51 | jeremiah | Well, then it looks like it is a dependency issue. |
| 13:49.12 | talig | Jeremiah: Of what?! sudser does not relate to that package? |
| 13:49.18 | RepMace | well. wrong # |
| 13:49.19 | talig | i mean "!" |
| 13:49.27 | mikkov_ | talig: you have probably installed some-package-that-I-created before, but it's missing a depency |
| 13:49.27 | RepMace | needs some more crack |
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| 13:50.37 | mikkov_ | talig: you can remove the broken package |
| 13:50.41 | talig | mikkov_: Thanks! |
| 13:56.00 | jeremiah | mikkov_: You mentioned you didn't think that checking the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name. i.e. a package called foo should build a binary called foo, not bar. |
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| 13:56.11 | jeremiah | mikkov_: What is your rational? |
| 13:56.20 | jeremiah | s/rational/rationale/ |
| 13:56.29 | jeremiah | Not that I think you are wrong |
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| 13:58.22 | VDVsx | can't wait: Maemo5 - 100 screenshots, 20 pics of device, 5 pages. 7 hours to go :) Think it will be a little bit interesting. All things are rdy |
| 13:58.24 | VDVsx | :) |
| 13:59.03 | javispedro | :) |
| 13:59.16 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=312902&postcount=62 |
| 13:59.24 | VDVsx | from http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin |
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| 13:59.58 | woglinde | hi |
| 14:00.36 | javispedro | so in 7 hours minus 8 minutes we're going to see 100 Maemo 5 screenshots. |
| 14:00.42 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Indeed, just saw sjgadsby retweet it |
| 14:00.46 | mikkov_ | so now eldar isn't waiting for the release date anymore? |
| 14:00.56 | javispedro | probably before qgil officially tells us which apps are we going to see builtin. |
| 14:00.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Thank God. |
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| 14:01.22 | woglinde | is ircing from train |
| 14:01.47 | Jaffa | javispedro: He's going to tell us officially which apps are builtin? |
| 14:01.52 | jeremiah | reads mikkov_'s link |
| 14:02.12 | javispedro | Jaffa: he told someone (don't remember who right now) to email him on that question |
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| 14:02.34 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ah yes, he said specific app authors could email him and he'd see what he could do. |
| 14:02.51 | javispedro | true. |
| 14:02.56 | Jaffa | I don't think you can claim to be writing a video-over-ip app and ask if Skype is going to be built-in with video, though ;-) |
| 14:03.17 | Jaffa | Whereas gcobb *could* ask about PIM apps |
| 14:03.20 | javispedro | oh, but there are nearly 4 pim app authoirs. |
| 14:03.24 | javispedro | :P |
| 14:03.45 | woglinde | haha the old pom discussion? |
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| 14:04.45 | javispedro | damn, I wanted to go on a mountain trip today but opening the exterior door was like opening an oven. |
| 14:05.03 | VDVsx | but Eldar probably has a bit outdated maemo5 version :( |
| 14:05.35 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Still going to have features we've not seen before. |
| 14:05.45 | VDVsx | true ;) |
| 14:05.48 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: since Nokia seem to deal in keeping their mouths shut, it's the best we'll get. |
| 14:06.34 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, they prefer that others leak info, it seems :) |
| 14:06.41 | jeremiah | http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/birulki-28.shtml |
| 14:06.43 | javispedro | so, how does it feel to be the only gnu/linux based smartphone left |
| 14:06.54 | jeremiah | ^^ Looks like the RX-51 prototype |
| 14:07.09 | javispedro | that's n-97, don't tease us jeremiah!! |
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| 14:07.19 | jeremiah | Look at the photos! |
| 14:07.36 | jeremiah | Specifically the one where it says RX-51! |
| 14:07.50 | javispedro | oh, the prototype ones. |
| 14:07.53 | jeremiah | About the middle of the page |
| 14:08.08 | jeremiah | What is that about? |
| 14:08.25 | VDVsx | old stuff :) |
| 14:08.29 | jeremiah | If it is the N97, why does it say RX-51 Prototype? |
| 14:08.31 | javispedro | from the looks of it (i didn't google translate'd it yet) seems an editorial article |
| 14:08.42 | jeremiah | is always behind the rumor curve. :| |
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| 14:09.00 | aol | it's clearly not a n97... |
| 14:09.33 | VDVsx | yeah, those are the first leaked photos of rx-51 |
| 14:09.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Someone should build XChat for it :) |
| 14:11.10 | VDVsx | for reference : http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ |
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| 14:13.52 | zpol | ping |
| 14:14.18 | woglinde | javis the train is like sauna too |
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| 14:14.53 | Jaffa | jeremiah: Don't go on holiday when waiting for new device ;-) |
| 14:15.15 | javispedro | I prefer: "don't wait for new device when on holiday" ;) |
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| 14:16.01 | krzysz00 | when i try to compile hello-world under sbrsh ./configure fails at checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: cannot run C compiled programs. and config.log shows a message sbrsh: Authentication failed |
| 14:16.08 | javispedro | 's looking for some asm gfx code to steal but seems only the snesadvance guys did that and they use some of the gba chips :( |
| 14:16.55 | krzysz00 | helo please? |
| 14:17.12 | GeneralAntilles | They really need to adopt S60 5th's arrow keys for the finger keyboard. http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1956.jpg |
| 14:17.25 | javispedro | krzysz00, I never used sbrsh, did you try if you can run a bare arm binary? |
| 14:18.08 | krzysz00 | yes |
| 14:18.10 | andre__ | folks that send me a private msg in talk.maemo.org that only says "help.please" should be larted. |
| 14:18.11 | X-Fade | What's up with the alignment on that keyboard? |
| 14:18.17 | krzysz00 | but with sbrsh it doesn't work |
| 14:19.05 | krzysz00 | wait, do you need sbrsh |
| 14:19.08 | qwerty12_N810 | andre__: keeping my PM box full for a couple of months was bliss :) |
| 14:19.31 | andre__ | qwerty12_N810, what's the limit? can you send me that many messages, please? :-D |
| 14:19.44 | qwerty12_N810 | 100 :) |
| 14:20.01 | qwerty12_N810 | I could but then I'd be mistaken for a spammer :p |
| 14:20.15 | andre__ | time to create a second account for me, i guess, to spam myself :-P |
| 14:21.14 | javispedro | andre__, it's a mistery for me how they choose their "victims". |
| 14:21.48 | javispedro | e.g. for a while on some other site they keep sending me priv. msgs like if was the owner |
| 14:21.58 | javispedro | now that I am the owner, they no longer send me pms. |
| 14:22.11 | andre__ | heh |
| 14:22.11 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:22.25 | andre__ | i helped that guy in a thread but did not answer his followup comment |
| 14:22.37 | andre__ | because if i have no clue i shut up :) |
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| 14:23.43 | GeneralAntilles | http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4948 vote away |
| 14:24.02 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ah, now we know why you always seem to go silent. :P |
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| 14:24.47 | javispedro | ah, the fremantle theme seems truly s60 |
| 14:24.54 | qwerty12_N810 | FIXEDINHARMATTAN |
| 14:24.58 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, heh. any specific criticism? :-P |
| 14:25.02 | javispedro | (disclaimer: i don't own a s60 phone) |
| 14:25.19 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, no, just a quick jab to help wake me up in the morning. ;) |
| 14:25.28 | andre__ | hehe |
| 14:25.42 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, worst thing is that some bugs are _already_ FIH :P |
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| 14:26.32 | timeless_mbp | andre__: thanks for exporting bugs :) |
| 14:26.35 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: Guess that bit of sarcasm backfired then :) |
| 14:26.49 | timeless_mbp | andre__: did you only export one of those two bugs? |
| 14:26.51 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, only one of them. bugs.debian.org everytime surprises me |
| 14:26.55 | andre__ | later |
| 14:26.58 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 14:27.11 | timeless_mbp | yeah, there's a reason why i prefer to file bugs in bugs.maemo.org |
| 14:27.13 | timeless_mbp | friendly service :) |
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| 14:32.49 | GeneralAntilles | finds things to do for 5 hours. |
| 14:32.58 | GeneralAntilles | s/5/7/ |
| 14:33.25 | javispedro | 's going to try git-branch, hope I don't end up deleting the whole repo. |
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| 14:43.14 | ron1n | thought I'd share, from thenokiablog.com's twitter feed: thenokiablog: Seems we'll be seeing more photos of the rover/maemo/n900 device later today! |
| 14:44.17 | wazd | maemo 5 will have onscreen keyboard aswell |
| 14:44.18 | StsN810 | old |
| 14:44.33 | StsN810 | wazd, thumb, known for ages |
| 14:44.36 | Myrtti | wazd: why would it *not* have it? |
| 14:44.45 | wazd | StsN810: oh, whatever :D |
| 14:45.06 | wazd | Myrtti: well, who knows :) |
| 14:45.33 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, seriously, get with the times, man. :P |
| 14:45.56 | StsN810 | what -is- crazy is the hardcoded thumb and undocumented changes |
| 14:46.02 | wazd | ok, another breaking news, n900 would be a phone! |
| 14:46.05 | wazd | :D |
| 14:46.12 | Myrtti | I had to chuckle today when Stefan blogged in IntoMobile about the vkb |
| 14:46.16 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, also: it has 3D drivers! |
| 14:46.24 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: nowai?! |
| 14:47.14 | wazd | I had a thought to make a maemo5 like theme for maemo 4 and post screenshots to the internets :D |
| 14:47.24 | GeneralAntilles | Supposedly it's coming with a Tegra, too. |
| 14:47.28 | wazd | but I have too much work to fool around |
| 14:47.29 | Myrtti | wazd: why not... maemo3! |
| 14:47.32 | Myrtti | that would be fun |
| 14:47.33 | GeneralAntilles | Too late now. |
| 14:47.49 | GeneralAntilles | \Maemo 3 themes were awful. |
| 14:48.03 | wazd | yeah, seriously :) |
| 14:48.11 | wazd | Plankton was fine :) |
| 14:48.17 | Myrtti | does anyone see anything newsworthy about http://images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/maemo5ss2.jpg ? I don't |
| 14:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | The Valentines one was fun, though. ;) |
| 14:48.28 | Myrtti | yeah, I used it for a year or so |
| 14:48.28 | GeneralAntilles | Myrtti, !!!! |
| 14:48.44 | Myrtti | twas pink, what did you expect |
| 14:48.46 | ron1n | hey, I had a handful of colors to chose from and that was it when the 770 launched =P |
| 14:48.53 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, me neither. |
| 14:48.56 | ron1n | that was awful. |
| 14:48.58 | GeneralAntilles | Bug about it, though: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4948 |
| 14:49.07 | wazd | I still wonder why Enter is smaller than BSpace |
| 14:49.10 | Jaffa | Myrtti: We now know there'll be a virtual keyboard and have a bit more info on the fremantle theme? |
| 14:49.27 | GeneralAntilles | "Let's pick the most obnoxious theme colors we can find" |
| 14:49.28 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, lol. a bug about leaked screenshots :) |
| 14:49.34 | GeneralAntilles | I <3 Plankton, though. |
| 14:49.38 | wazd | Even after 2 fricking years of using n800 I still tap bspace instead of enter ocasionaly |
| 14:49.47 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, I was considering attaching the leaked screenshot for comparison. ;) |
| 14:49.59 | Myrtti | Jaffa: I still don't see anything newsworthy in that screenshot |
| 14:50.01 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, but I figured all of the relevant people would have their own devices to verify with. |
| 14:50.05 | wazd | The best thing I see is that gradients are fine! |
| 14:50.12 | Myrtti | it's the BLOODY SAME VKB as in ALL the others before it |
| 14:50.25 | Myrtti | or atleast I can't see any great difference |
| 14:50.28 | Myrtti | *yawn* move on |
| 14:50.32 | Jaffa | Myrtti: It's the third screenshot from an actual device that we've seen. |
| 14:50.34 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, I just wish the gestures weren't so picky. |
| 14:50.36 | sjgadsby | You want "Fixed in Harmattan" already, GeneralAntilles? |
| 14:51.04 | Jaffa | And the second leaked by eldar<wasshisname> |
| 14:51.06 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, since the screen is much more sensitive, you have a good chance :) |
| 14:51.15 | Myrtti | Jaffa: oh, I wouldn't know or know the difference |
| 14:52.12 | GeneralAntilles | sjgadsby, too late: http://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?target_milestone=Harmattan |
| 14:52.15 | Myrtti | it's all same maemo stuff to me... |
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| 14:53.03 | sjgadsby | GeneralAntilles: Nuts. I haven't been paying attention. I suppose I should update the bug jar script to check for those too. |
| 14:54.01 | wazd | "Fixed in I***" |
| 14:54.02 | javispedro | ah, all the Fixed in Harmattan bugs. |
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| 14:55.14 | andre__ | wazd, the next version should be called "Iternity" ;-) |
| 14:55.27 | GAN800 | Itanium |
| 14:55.31 | Myrtti | I still think Ilmatar would we rad |
| 14:55.52 | andre__ | damn. it's eternity? somebody patch en_US |
| 14:57.18 | sjgadsby | Screw it. Lets just pick a "Z" wind, mark all the bugs fixed in it, and send andre__ on holiday for a few years. |
| 14:57.40 | javispedro | Maemo Zonda. |
| 14:58.00 | wazd | I think Zonda is a registered trademark :) |
| 14:58.07 | andre__ | sjgadsby, as long as i get partially paid i'm fine with that |
| 14:58.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Zut, as in all the smoke produced from smoking one |
| 14:58.31 | Stskeeps | Maemo on digital joints |
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| 15:07.56 | javispedro | Fixed in Inverna |
| 15:07.59 | javispedro | sounds good. |
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| 15:10.45 | javispedro | Maemo Inverna, now using the Enlightened Toolkit instead of Qt. |
| 15:11.16 | Stskeeps | oh dear god |
| 15:11.39 | Stskeeps | grimaces |
| 15:12.34 | javispedro | how can maemo keep on every tech site's frontpage if they don't switch toolkits again by Inverna |
| 15:12.51 | javispedro | ;) |
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| 15:40.20 | Stskeeps | http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1957.jpg <- oo |
| 15:41.29 | thopiekar | the new tablet just looks from the front like the N810.. |
| 15:42.02 | Stskeeps | honestly though, where's the phone feature? :P |
| 15:42.08 | thopiekar | :D |
| 15:42.29 | thopiekar | maybe you have to use it like the Nokia Ngage QD |
| 15:42.38 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 15:42.38 | thopiekar | the old one.. |
| 15:42.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 15:42.41 | thopiekar | mom |
| 15:42.52 | Stskeeps | also who designed that maemo logo.. |
| 15:43.31 | wazd | ùðá ðó åãêòóâ øå ùò Æ) |
| 15:43.34 | wazd | fuck |
| 15:43.40 | wazd | oh, he turned it on :D |
| 15:43.53 | lcuk | o_O pretty |
| 15:43.58 | Stskeeps | i want one. :) |
| 15:44.00 | thopiekar | is searching for a pic on gpictures |
| 15:44.07 | aol | damn |
| 15:44.09 | qwerty12_N810 | He's put a mobile-review watermark instead of a link to his livejournal. |
| 15:44.15 | aol | mobile review did it first again |
| 15:44.32 | aol | (pic with screen visible :) |
| 15:44.55 | aol | they must be connected somehow with the official nokia marketting |
| 15:45.04 | wazd | they are |
| 15:45.12 | aol | lifting the hype just before the official release |
| 15:45.20 | wazd | Nokia Maps are there, thank god :) |
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| 15:45.41 | aol | and ovi |
| 15:45.46 | aol | which means ovi store |
| 15:45.56 | wazd | aol: not exactly |
| 15:46.11 | wazd | aol: maybe just sharing stuff or something :) |
| 15:46.24 | aol | yeah right |
| 15:46.30 | wazd | aol: But I hope there will be a place for some commercial apps |
| 15:46.42 | aol | which equals ovi store |
| 15:47.00 | Stskeeps | yay preinstalled x-term. not that anyone is surprised. |
| 15:47.47 | wazd | Statusbar icon look silly, I'll be honnest :) |
| 15:47.54 | mgedmin | regarding http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1957.jpg, is it the poor quality of the picture, or is the front really all flat with no beveling? |
| 15:48.10 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm surprised at the lack of a "signal" indicator. |
| 15:48.25 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: there is one |
| 15:48.32 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: top-right |
| 15:48.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Phone one :) |
| 15:48.44 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: top-center - wifi |
| 15:48.54 | Firebird | think he means the bars |
| 15:48.56 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: botton-center - bt |
| 15:49.25 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: That icon is the one for that network-manager program available for Diablo, even |
| 15:49.29 | fiferboy | Is that a mic opening on the left centre? |
| 15:49.49 | javispedro | fiferboy, it's that or speaker, iphone style |
| 15:49.59 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: calling with a ngage QD .. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_C-ZPmJYc4uQ/RiSiC5QAaeI/AAAAAAAAACE/5Ct33bxRWPs/s320/IMG_0279.JPG :D |
| 15:50.15 | javispedro | the taco one was prettier :D |
| 15:50.16 | thopiekar | that what I meant before :) |
| 15:50.38 | GeneralAntilles | That battery icon is horrifying |
| 15:50.46 | GeneralAntilles | and the connection applet mostly just looks like clutter. |
| 15:51.12 | javispedro | I don't understand why the status area isn't right aligned |
| 15:51.18 | thopiekar | GeneralAntilles: not very hand-friendly... |
| 15:51.20 | GeneralAntilles | wazd, they need a real Maemo logo. ;) |
| 15:51.31 | GeneralAntilles | thopiekar, the status bar is one big tap area. |
| 15:51.38 | GeneralAntilles | It brings up all applets at once. |
| 15:51.39 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: they stole your idea! |
| 15:51.50 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Which one? |
| 15:51.53 | thopiekar | ah.. k |
| 15:51.55 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: well, yeah, definitely :) |
| 15:51.57 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: The clock |
| 15:52.13 | fiferboy | I knew I should have applied for a patent... |
| 15:52.32 | fiferboy | It looks like there isn't a hard size limit on (at least some of the) statusbar contents |
| 15:52.43 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: idea was mine, Andrew made the rest :D |
| 15:52.49 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: Andrew Power! |
| 15:52.59 | fiferboy | wazd: True, you dropped the ball on the patent |
| 15:53.03 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Ah, right :D |
| 15:53.29 | wazd | fiferboy: btw, I've got some time to help you with your secret app :P |
| 15:53.53 | fiferboy | wazd: Thanks! It's not really a secret, just not ready for prime-time |
| 15:57.47 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I *think* it's bevelless, which is interesting |
| 15:58.07 | mgedmin | yes |
| 15:58.36 | javispedro | there seems to be a bit of shadow in the extremes, but not as much as in the n8x0 |
| 15:58.37 | mgedmin | capacitative touchscreen? |
| 15:59.01 | mgedmin | finger-friendly, stylus-hostile |
| 15:59.03 | mgedmin | unless you've got a metal stylus, perhaps? |
| 15:59.14 | wazd | mgedmin: resistive |
| 15:59.26 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, no. |
| 15:59.30 | mgedmin | one of those dem electrickety thangs, yes |
| 15:59.39 | GeneralAntilles | How many times do we have to say it's resistive. <_< |
| 15:59.47 | GeneralAntilles | I think I've corrected that rumor at least 2 dozen times by now. |
| 15:59.47 | wazd | who needs capacitive TS when you can have normal resistive |
| 15:59.47 | mgedmin | until everyone hears :) |
| 16:00.07 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, well, the part number has been in the kernel since last year. |
| 16:00.10 | mgedmin | get a bot react whennever somebody says 'capacitative' |
| 16:00.23 | javispedro | and kick him from the channel? ;) |
| 16:00.26 | wazd | the only thing that's on the capacitive side is that you can use any material to cover screen |
| 16:00.47 | mgedmin | wonders if spreading rumors on IRC influences the maemo.org karma points |
| 16:01.31 | GeneralAntilles | mgedmin, yes, we give all of your karma points to frank.wagner. |
| 16:01.44 | mgedmin | good thing I don't have any :-) |
| 16:01.56 | mgedmin | I think... |
| 16:01.59 | wazd | guys, mabe someone remember |
| 16:02.09 | wazd | there was a short movie on youtube |
| 16:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | All movies on YouTube are short. |
| 16:02.39 | wazd | bout simulation of nuclear strike at New York |
| 16:02.46 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: not all ;) |
| 16:03.00 | wazd | with some fancy electro music |
| 16:03.17 | wazd | it was pretty popular, so maybe someone remembers it |
| 16:05.18 | Andy80 | I propose to cut 10-50 karma points to people who spread rumors on irc/ML/twitter ecc... :P |
| 16:06.34 | javispedro | wazd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI |
| 16:08.08 | wazd | hmm, can see it |
| 16:08.13 | wazd | restricte |
| 16:08.15 | wazd | d |
| 16:08.39 | javispedro | damn, I can't even rickroll properly ;) |
| 16:08.49 | wazd | :D |
| 16:10.04 | wazd | oh, found it! Round 2. Can anybody tell what's the soundtrack? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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| 16:17.21 | RepMace | hm |
| 16:17.31 | RepMace | still going |
| 16:17.51 | ron1n | Sorry, can't contain my excitement. =P http://eldarmurtazin.livejournal.com/469692.html |
| 16:18.06 | ron1n | new "n900" pics |
| 16:19.33 | kfx | if this device doesn't have drag lock I am going to buy one expressly so I can put it in a microwave |
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| 16:20.24 | ron1n | drag lock? |
| 16:20.29 | ron1n | don't follow |
| 16:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | kfx, it has a hardware switch. |
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| 16:21.06 | GeneralAntilles | Just like the N810, 5800, and N97. |
| 16:21.28 | qwerty12_N810 | kfx: that bug was "Fixed in Fremantle" and the feature was added unofficially to Diablo... |
| 16:21.29 | ron1n | I'd prefer a hardware lock. Makes more sense to me. |
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| 16:22.11 | kfx | GeneralAntilles: I don't mean a way to disable the touchscreen, I mean a way to lock apps in place on the home screen |
| 16:22.15 | sjgadsby | kfx: Nokia took Diablo's Applets on Ice idea further with Maemo 5. The applets on the RX-51 are constantly moving, bouncing around the screen. You have to catch them to use them. |
| 16:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | Oh |
| 16:22.27 | javispedro | sjgadsby, :D |
| 16:22.29 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah, been fixed for a while. |
| 16:23.12 | kfx | sjgadsby: let's do it. it's got an accelerometer, right? applets should be assigned a fake mass based on screen real estate occupied; we'll assume constant density for now |
| 16:23.40 | kfx | that way you can just spin it and the bigger heavier applets will slide to the outsides of the screen |
| 16:23.56 | GAN800 | sjgadsby, ever use the folder physics extension for OS 9? |
| 16:24.14 | ron1n | kfx: centrifuge organizing! |
| 16:24.15 | sjgadsby | No. I skipped OS 9. |
| 16:24.26 | GAN800 | Ah, too bad, was a fun one. |
| 16:24.38 | GAN800 | You could toss folders around with the mouse. |
| 16:24.53 | sjgadsby | I have an old B&W G3 in a corner. I'll have to try to find the software. |
| 16:25.12 | GAN800 | It was French, I believe. |
| 16:25.18 | kfx | "fixed in fremantle" is a code that I decipher as "you need to spend $750 to have this" |
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| 16:25.40 | GAN800 | Or get Mer |
| 16:25.47 | qwerty12_N810 | kfx: Did you read the other half of my sentence? :) |
| 16:26.14 | GAN800 | I can't save in Amazon Queen. :( |
| 16:26.24 | kfx | qwerty12_N810: yeah, but the third half, that contained a link to the solution, seems to have been lost in transmission |
| 16:27.00 | ron1n | Third half XD serious a fraction infraction is serious. |
| 16:27.04 | qwerty12_N810 | kfx: There's debs on the bug report. I can't be arsed to get the link, but maybe someone else'll be kind as to do so. |
| 16:27.21 | javispedro | here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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| 16:27.54 | ron1n | javispedro: ahhh again -_- |
| 16:28.05 | kfx | I hope stuff like that winds up in the "community update" or whatever nokia's calling the handover |
| 16:28.20 | ron1n | yeah so do I. I love Rick Astley. |
| 16:28.27 | ron1n | =P |
| 16:28.56 | RepMace | haha |
| 16:29.04 | GeneralAntilles | ron1n, ever listen to Car Talk? |
| 16:29.23 | RepMace | miami vice.. new #! show |
| 16:29.29 | GeneralAntilles | kfx, http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 16:29.31 | RepMace | #1 |
| 16:29.47 | qwerty12_N810 | RepMace: Eurotrip? |
| 16:29.51 | RepMace | heh |
| 16:30.04 | RepMace | that movie was an instant classic |
| 16:30.19 | ron1n | GeneralAntilles: nope |
| 16:30.27 | RepMace | like when they are playing the techno scotty doesnt know song |
| 16:30.28 | kfx | GeneralAntilles: I <3 Mer. Eagerly awaiting 0.16 |
| 16:30.38 | ron1n | RepMace: Nowhere. near. berlin. |
| 16:30.47 | RepMace | yeah haha |
| 16:31.02 | RepMace | a nickel. i quit! |
| 16:31.10 | RepMace | i open my own hotel now! |
| 16:31.13 | ron1n | XD |
| 16:31.51 | RepMace | is mike really a common german girl name? |
| 16:32.00 | RepMace | pronounced mika |
| 16:32.07 | RepMace | meekaa |
| 16:32.08 | ron1n | I don't think so. |
| 16:32.26 | ron1n | then again, my middle name is Michele, looks like Michelle, pronounced Meekelleh |
| 16:32.36 | ron1n | so who knows. |
| 16:32.42 | RepMace | heh |
| 16:32.49 | RepMace | well. bbl |
| 16:32.54 | ron1n | later |
| 16:33.00 | RepMace | just checked in on my gentoo building |
| 16:33.17 | RepMace | i think it is building db now |
| 16:33.24 | wazd | javispedro: I've almost clicked my own link :D |
| 16:34.04 | javispedro | wazd, yeah, had to grab yours since my was defective :P |
| 16:34.54 | thopiekar | see you |
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| 16:50.31 | lbt | so how come m.t.o qualifies for karma but #maemo doesn't? |
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| 16:50.43 | lbt | s/m.t.o/t.m.o/ |
| 16:50.59 | rkirti | hehe |
| 16:52.52 | Stskeeps | yawns |
| 16:52.56 | Stskeeps | lbt: harder to quanitify |
| 16:52.59 | VDVsx | lbt, nah, people don't rant 'enough' here |
| 16:53.03 | Stskeeps | line whoring != contribution |
| 16:53.05 | GeneralAntilles | lbt, because nobody has implemented an indexer yet. |
| 16:53.07 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free. |
| 16:53.40 | kfx | I thought infobots could track karma |
| 16:53.44 | kfx | infobot: karma kfx |
| 16:53.44 | infobot | kfx has neutral karma |
| 16:53.54 | kfx | infobot: karma lbt |
| 16:53.54 | infobot | lbt has neutral karma |
| 16:53.56 | kfx | lbt++ |
| 16:54.04 | kfx | hmm |
| 16:54.04 | wazd | infobot: karma wazd |
| 16:54.04 | infobot | wazd has neutral karma |
| 16:54.07 | wazd | :) |
| 16:54.15 | kfx | infobot: karma lbt |
| 16:54.15 | infobot | lbt has neutral karma |
| 16:54.26 | kfx | maybe karma tracking is disabled on this one |
| 16:54.26 | wazd | ~burn himself |
| 16:54.27 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:55.02 | lbt | I just wanted to start a war... |
| 16:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Not the same thing. |
| 16:55.11 | lbt | I was bored |
| 16:55.23 | lbt | seems the done thing... |
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| 16:57.54 | lbt | gah - gcc |
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| 17:00.27 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:10.23 | Stskeeps | wazd, everyone: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 |
| 18:12.30 | RepMace | ih oh |
| 18:12.35 | RepMace | uh oh too |
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| 18:14.52 | RepMace | hm |
| 18:15.09 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 18:15.18 | Stskeeps | moo RST38h |
| 18:15.42 | RST38h | Sts: Fremantle dialogs suck. |
| 18:16.00 | RST38h | the rest is cool =) |
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| 18:16.59 | RepMace | Stskeeps: looks nice |
| 18:17.03 | Stskeeps | it just confirms what i knew already, we have fremantle apis pretty darn solid underneath :P |
| 18:17.10 | RepMace | are those real pics? |
| 18:17.20 | RepMace | heh |
| 18:17.25 | Stskeeps | RepMace: fully real, but they're staged |
| 18:17.31 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 18:17.34 | RepMace | oh |
| 18:17.35 | RST38h | transparency too? |
| 18:17.37 | RepMace | ok |
| 18:17.46 | RepMace | maybe 0.16 ;) |
| 18:17.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the blur effect? no, but we will have click outside window |
| 18:17.48 | RepMace | ? |
| 18:18.08 | Stskeeps | RepMace: .17 rather |
| 18:18.08 | RepMace | ah |
| 18:18.20 | RepMace | ok |
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| 18:19.10 | javispedro | btw, why the fvwm craze? |
| 18:19.10 | RST38h | Sts: No, the transparency under the Mer status bar |
| 18:19.18 | Stskeeps | RST38h: fairly fake transparency |
| 18:19.19 | RST38h | javis: seasonal? |
| 18:19.22 | RST38h | Sts: ekh... |
| 18:19.24 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, no preview tonight? |
| 18:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | That's so lame. |
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| 18:19.37 | RST38h | ohmygod g11 is out and s90 too wanna wanna wanna |
| 18:19.37 | javispedro | oh, hi RST38h. |
| 18:19.47 | RST38h | General: Expect it around midnight EU time |
| 18:19.49 | GeneralAntilles | Probably just as well, though, since I'm assuming there's Nokia Ninja with a knife to his throat. |
| 18:19.49 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it is the background you see through it |
| 18:19.56 | javispedro | by putting 4 times the "register" keyword in the C code I got +5fps |
| 18:19.57 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it just reads the background and applies it though |
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| 18:20.06 | xnt14[work] | hello maemo! :P |
| 18:20.09 | RST38h | Sts: <disappointment> :) |
| 18:20.22 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hey, it gets good performance :P |
| 18:20.27 | xnt14[work] | ~seen b-man16 |
| 18:20.28 | infobot | b-man16 <n=mckenzba@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5d 15h 18m 25s ago, saying: 'i have no idea :('. |
| 18:20.30 | RST38h | General: Twitter message indicates that he will publish it on mobile-review.com around midnight EU time today. |
| 18:20.35 | xnt14[work] | hmm |
| 18:20.37 | RST38h | General: IF he publishes it. |
| 18:20.54 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, some post on Talk saying he decided against it to give Nokia more to announce. |
| 18:21.06 | RST38h | General: Unless someone does it before me, I will try properly translating it tomorrow morning between 9:00 and 12:00 EU time |
| 18:21.10 | Stskeeps | honestly though, what marketing advantage does announcements have? |
| 18:21.16 | Stskeeps | isn't rumours the best these days? |
| 18:21.19 | RST38h | General: Post on talk? :) |
| 18:21.53 | RST38h | General: talk poster interpreted Google translation of a Twitter message done in Russian, and the message was unclear even in Russian |
| 18:23.23 | xnt14[work] | ~seen Brian_M |
| 18:23.25 | infobot | xnt14[work]: i haven't seen 'brian_m' |
| 18:23.35 | xnt14[work] | ~seen BrianMckenzie |
| 18:23.35 | infobot | i haven't seen 'brianmckenzie', xnt14[work] |
| 18:23.45 | xnt14[work] | stabs the irc logs |
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| 18:27.19 | sjgadsby | Ha! A (tenuous) link between Maemo devices and advertising: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313130&postcount=78 I suppose it will have to happen eventually if Maemo is to go mainstream. |
| 18:27.51 | sjgadsby | The "Maemo doesn't work as advertised" rants may eventually have a chance at substance even. |
| 18:29.17 | Stskeeps | sjgadsby: i would be afraid of the trolls getting hold of her.. |
| 18:29.29 | javispedro | well, it's advertised as world's 2009 best mobile device. I think world's best mobile device is the potato peeler, but Maemo doesn't do anything like that, so -> Maemo doesn't work as advertised. |
| 18:29.33 | Stskeeps | if it was a company doing maemo marketing ;) |
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| 18:31.00 | RST38h | sjgadsby: She is a troll |
| 18:31.23 | sjgadsby | RST38h: No girls on the Internet? |
| 18:31.38 | qwerty12_N810 | She's from London, must be a decent person |
| 18:32.34 | Stskeeps | i wonder if the co-creation stuff will cause more people from nokia to be active on talk.* |
| 18:32.48 | RST38h | sjgadsby: No, other markers |
| 18:33.21 | wazd | Stskeeps: well |
| 18:33.39 | wazd | Stskeeps: again, you have 3 ways to switch wondows |
| 18:33.49 | wazd | Stskeeps: that's kinda overkill :) |
| 18:33.57 | Stskeeps | wazd: ah, the bar isn't the focus in those screenshots |
| 18:34.20 | wazd | Stskeeps: ah, ok :) |
| 18:34.34 | RST38h | read "you have 3 ways to switch widows" |
| 18:35.04 | Stskeeps | wazd: i'm waiting for a mockup from you on how we can make an as-functional fremantle-like-but-also-mer-branded ui :) |
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| 18:35.38 | Stskeeps | before starting that work too much |
| 18:36.04 | Stskeeps | wazd: this stuff is practically flexible enough to make simple stuff (fremantle look) and more advanced stuff, so :P |
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| 18:39.04 | RST38h | Hmmm, there are three holes at the N900 surface |
| 18:39.16 | RST38h | Camera, light sensor and what? LED? |
| 18:39.29 | sjgadsby | LED flash? |
| 18:39.36 | javispedro | on the surface? lol |
| 18:40.08 | RST38h | that is specially for making Dracula photos of oneself |
| 18:40.19 | RST38h | Meanwhile: So 15-20 min to go/N900 |
| 18:40.19 | RST38h | \ |
| 18:40.29 | javispedro | anti-steal device. temporarily blind whoever stole your N900 |
| 18:40.57 | javispedro | burn a hole through his retinas with n900 laser |
| 18:41.00 | RST38h | release sarin gas? |
| 18:41.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Built in taser? |
| 18:41.42 | suihkulokki | that would be bad, they wouldn't let you use it on a airplane :P |
| 18:41.51 | sjgadsby | It's where you screw in the joystick. |
| 18:42.02 | javispedro | ^^first mod. use the taser battery to power the n800 after the "two hours of active use" run out. |
| 18:42.07 | RST38h | sjgadsby: BINGO! |
| 18:42.11 | javispedro | *n900. damn. |
| 18:42.21 | mavhc | what url should I be reading? |
| 18:42.23 | zakkm | yo did you guys notice |
| 18:42.29 | zakkm | one of the screenshots, the one that shows battery |
| 18:42.36 | konttori | lol |
| 18:42.38 | zakkm | it has 75% battery life on it and says "1 hour active left" |
| 18:42.43 | RST38h | Shit, next time we go on vacation, it will be to Alaska. |
| 18:42.55 | javispedro | zakkm, yes. but the reviewer said he got 6 hours out of it. |
| 18:42.58 | RST38h | Or some other cool, windy place |
| 18:43.12 | RST38h | zakkm: Wouldn't trust that meter |
| 18:43.14 | RST38h | N810 also runs for 5+ hours when playing video |
| 18:43.32 | zakkm | RST38h: i wouldnt either, but that was just funny to notice :P |
| 18:44.04 | zakkm | depends the video :P |
| 18:44.07 | zakkm | and brightness |
| 18:45.32 | mavhc | and the player |
| 18:45.37 | RST38h | mostly depends on the CPU load |
| 18:46.02 | zakkm | ??? doesnt everyone use mplayer? |
| 18:46.03 | zakkm | on the tablet |
| 18:46.15 | mavhc | new power saving feature: camera tracks your eyeballs and turns off the screen when you're not looking at it |
| 18:46.22 | RST38h | and CPU load is usually 100% when paying video on that meager ARM |
| 18:46.29 | zakkm | mavhc: whats powering the camera? |
| 18:46.51 | mavhc | tiny generators attached to your eyeballs |
| 18:47.57 | Andy80 | ehm... the review is already onlin on that site -.- |
| 18:48.04 | mavhc | url? |
| 18:48.19 | sjgadsby | Nuts. Mobile-Review uses "Freemantle" in their preview: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml |
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| 18:50.24 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, systemui looks good with an HildonAppMenu |
| 18:50.41 | RST38h | Oh yesssssss |
| 18:50.52 | sjgadsby | Attitude's in a screenshot! Pre-installed? |
| 18:50.52 | mavhc | apparently apple use Linux OS in their phone |
| 18:51.10 | qwerty12_N810 | sjgadsby: no, he's been installing stuff |
| 18:51.30 | zakkm | mavhc: since when? theres clear mac stuff in it |
| 18:51.34 | javispedro | I can rlready hear the black helicopters. |
| 18:51.46 | zakkm | its "linux os" because mac has most linux commands in it . |
| 18:51.57 | zakkm | :O i want that tablet |
| 18:52.08 | mavhc | since linux = bsd |
| 18:52.23 | zakkm | guys... is it me or does http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr05.jpg look too much like canola? |
| 18:52.36 | zakkm | even with the thing in bottom right |
| 18:52.39 | RST38h | 1500mAh battery |
| 18:52.40 | zakkm | for like exit |
| 18:52.51 | zakkm | stealers -.- |
| 18:52.54 | sjgadsby | zakkm: Not a surprise. They brought Handful to Finland for a reason. |
| 18:53.11 | RST38h | brings up a jar to salivate into |
| 18:53.20 | zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr08.jpg <-- wow thats unique way .. copying mac's delete from desktop :P |
| 18:53.28 | zakkm | ipod one |
| 18:53.51 | RST38h | Well, how many talk posters wanted iPhone? |
| 18:53.52 | RST38h | Here, your iPhone |
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| 18:53.54 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: salivate? I'm getting a hard-on just by looking at the pics |
| 18:53.56 | javispedro | glad to know it has a rgb led. |
| 18:53.59 | zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr27.jpg <--- wait so it is a phone? |
| 18:54.20 | zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr24.jpg WOOH didnt change thumb keyboard.. odd since it has a hardware one :P |
| 18:54.34 | javispedro | LOL "Memory for installable appications": 18MiB. |
| 18:54.37 | RST38h | Weird hole at the top close to the camera button |
| 18:54.57 | zakkm | its a phone? |
| 18:55.13 | RST38h | qwerty: You are making me blush |
| 18:55.18 | javispedro | I hope that if they're using ubifs and a special rootfs it's bigger than 256MiB. |
| 18:55.38 | zakkm | The new device will hit the stores late in 2009 with the price tag of about â¬550 (after the announcement there can be some price corrections). |
| 18:55.43 | zakkm | lol 550 euro! |
| 18:55.48 | javispedro | Task switching done in Exposé style. |
| 18:55.57 | Andy80 | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 18:56.00 | zakkm | $862 -.- i can afford a sickass laptop for that |
| 18:56.00 | Andy80 | INFAME!!! |
| 18:56.06 | zakkm | and 2 iphones |
| 18:56.08 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: hehe :p |
| 18:56.14 | Andy80 | I really wanna kick this guy in the ass!!!! |
| 18:56.27 | Andy80 | "For example, Apple managed to adapt Linux OS for their infamous Apple iPhone," |
| 18:56.31 | Andy80 | MY GOD! |
| 18:56.35 | RST38h | Andy: Hehe |
| 18:56.40 | Andy80 | an example of fucking useless asshole!!!! |
| 18:56.41 | Stskeepz | salivates |
| 18:56.44 | zakkm | lcuk: they stole your "edit tags" :P http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr67.jpg |
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| 18:56.50 | Andy80 | the same QI of a GOAT! |
| 18:56.51 | RST38h | Andy: iPhone is overrated |
| 18:56.57 | RST38h | Linux, BSD, who cares |
| 18:57.05 | sjgadsby | RST38h: What /is/ that little square near the camera button? |
| 18:57.06 | Andy80 | no |
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| 18:57.16 | RST38h | status bar is not transparent :( |
| 18:57.16 | Andy80 | he's a fucking RETARD |
| 18:57.26 | RST38h | sjgadsby: exactly my question |
| 18:57.34 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 18:57.37 | RST38h | Andy: He is, but it is not what we all like him for :) |
| 18:57.40 | javispedro | it has agenda. |
| 18:57.50 | lcuk | zakkm :) |
| 18:57.58 | Andy80 | RST38h: I don't like him at all :P |
| 18:58.00 | zakkm | :D |
| 18:58.02 | lcuk | falls over @ awesomeness |
| 18:58.12 | RST38h | App Manager is seriously screwed style wise |
| 18:58.20 | sjgadsby | RST38h: Could it be a release button for the rear cover? How's that work on the N97? |
| 18:58.24 | RST38h | Andy80: Well he is not a dollar bill... |
| 18:58.36 | RST38h | sjgadsby: naah |
| 18:58.41 | zakkm | it will be fine |
| 18:58.50 | Stskeepz | i must say fremantle looks sweet :) |
| 18:58.55 | RST38h | sjgadsby: I am almost tempeted to think it is an ir sensor |
| 18:58.59 | zakkm | lol $862 canadian ... for n900 apparently |
| 18:59.04 | zakkm | how does anyone afford that |
| 18:59.11 | Stskeepz | it looks fremantle friendly |
| 18:59.12 | sjgadsby | RST38h: Hmm. Yes, it does look like one. |
| 18:59.15 | Stskeepz | 862? not bad |
| 18:59.15 | suihkulokki | zakkm: by carried subsides |
| 18:59.15 | javispedro | uh oh. |
| 18:59.22 | javispedro | "Perhaps theyll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. " ...... |
| 18:59.24 | RST38h | ATTENTION FOLKS: MAIL FOR EXCHANGE DETECTED |
| 18:59.28 | zakkm | subsides frm what? |
| 18:59.40 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: I thought Canada was overpriced anyway wrt phones? |
| 18:59.45 | RST38h | And please remember that price differs by country |
| 18:59.46 | zakkm | not at all |
| 18:59.51 | zakkm | we just dont have alot |
| 19:00.00 | zakkm | then again im in a huge city, so it might be different |
| 19:00.00 | VDVsx | Jaffa's App, eheh |
| 19:00.10 | suihkulokki | zakkm: you are aware that carriers subsides phones when you take them with a contract? |
| 19:00.16 | zakkm | our phone selection sucks completely but its not expensive |
| 19:00.26 | zakkm | contracts suck in canada |
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| 19:00.45 | Stskeepz | microsd instead of minisd, woo |
| 19:00.50 | Stskeepz | if not misunderstood |
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| 19:00.55 | zakkm | i dont get why it has thumb keyboard, if it only supports n900 |
| 19:00.59 | zakkm | and it has a hardware one |
| 19:01.00 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900.shtml |
| 19:01.12 | lcuk | zakkm, that could just be a for now thing :) |
| 19:01.13 | wazd | bayan :( |
| 19:01.21 | zakkm | wazd: nice with the nonenglish one :P |
| 19:01.23 | mavhc | because it's already in maemo |
| 19:02.11 | zakkm | Stskeepz: so now you know what to make mer look like eh? :) |
| 19:02.20 | lcuk | 18.9mb for apps :O |
| 19:02.22 | javispedro | wonders if the failure to mention the correct os name for the iphone will attract more attention that the n900 review, specially considering the history of that site. |
| 19:02.31 | wazd | zakkm: screenshots are international :) |
| 19:02.49 | RST38h | javis: It will throw iPhone trolls off balance indeed |
| 19:02.49 | zakkm | true |
| 19:02.57 | mavhc | why can't you just install apps on the sd card in maemo? |
| 19:03.15 | zakkm | how did this person obtain one anyways? |
| 19:03.35 | Andy80 | javispedro: I'm going to comment the news and say he's a fucking LAMER :) |
| 19:03.58 | zakkm | waitt guys whats the resolution of it? |
| 19:04.00 | zakkm | cant seem to find |
| 19:04.34 | wazd | this baby gonna rock the world |
| 19:04.51 | RST38h | 800x480 |
| 19:05.01 | wazd | maemo+sync+fast cpu = ohmygodgimmetwonow! |
| 19:05.02 | RST38h | The Fremantle UI widgets are absolutely atrocious though |
| 19:05.25 | zakkm | "this smartphone is built on ARM coretex-A8 cpu and carries 32gb of internal memory onboard" what do you mean 18mb is left for apps? |
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| 19:05.35 | RST38h | Person who came up with this design and layout better be fired before they get into Harmattan |
| 19:05.35 | Stskeepz | zakkm: that part threw me a bit off balance too |
| 19:05.48 | javispedro | didn't someone tell me they're still using ubifs? |
| 19:06.00 | javispedro | if they're using ubifs, there's a nand chip apart from the main emmc somewhere. |
| 19:06.03 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr22.jpg <- task switcher :) |
| 19:06.09 | zakkm | i mean they could be using 256mb onboard onboard... in linux whatever, and then 32gb would be fat... so windows could recognize it |
| 19:06.31 | Stskeepz | on the other hand this thing -really- lends itself to clone-to-SD |
| 19:06.32 | Stskeepz | :P |
| 19:06.33 | zakkm | wazd: did you see they stole "canola" ? :P |
| 19:06.37 | javispedro | probably that chip is 512MiB and the new rootfs is 500MiB ;) |
| 19:06.50 | RST38h | "Perhaps theyll decide to throw in a stylus into the box, much like the one that came with the Nokia N97. " |
| 19:07.01 | javispedro | ^^^ |
| 19:07.03 | qwerty12_N810 | He didn't show how it works as a phone physically. Then again, it supports portrait. |
| 19:07.04 | zakkm | Stskeepz: clone to " internal memory" more like.. 32gb? :P |
| 19:07.06 | zakkm | why buy a SD |
| 19:07.13 | wazd | zakkm: well, icons in a row thats a definite sign of Canola :D |
| 19:07.17 | Stskeepz | zakkm: internal memory is SD |
| 19:07.21 | zakkm | yes it is.. did you see the bottom right? |
| 19:07.26 | lcuk | RST38h, http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/pic10.jpg |
| 19:07.28 | zakkm | they put "quit" in the same spot |
| 19:07.30 | lcuk | isnt that a stylus? |
| 19:07.37 | javispedro | lcuk: thank you and god. |
| 19:07.43 | sjgadsby | lcuk: Looks like one to me. |
| 19:07.52 | zakkm | dont for me |
| 19:07.54 | javispedro | what a review then. |
| 19:07.56 | zakkm | could be a wifi switch |
| 19:07.56 | wazd | oh! |
| 19:07.57 | lcuk | cheers |
| 19:08.00 | zakkm | and the other could be for charger |
| 19:08.00 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr29.jpg |
| 19:08.05 | javispedro | unless he's talking about second stylus. |
| 19:08.05 | wazd | Jaffa's Attitude! :D |
| 19:08.26 | zakkm | wazd: now you know how to skin mer ?:P hah |
| 19:09.11 | GeneralAntilles | It looks like S60 5th. . . . |
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| 19:09.23 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, maybe that was the intention. |
| 19:09.28 | wazd | zakkm: Mer will have unique style :) |
| 19:09.48 | fiferboy | Does Nokia Maps come with routing? |
| 19:10.06 | RST38h | General: They intended it to look like S60 |
| 19:10.08 | javispedro | looks line S60 = is S60 for most people. so current Nokia buyers not scared; then when then complain about their S60 apps not working close shop and relocate to africa. |
| 19:10.12 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: it'd be a bad Wayfinder replacement if it didn't :) |
| 19:10.23 | RST38h | General: Because that is what Maemo is supposed to replace ;) |
| 19:10.26 | wazd | oh, portrait mode! |
| 19:10.31 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr76.jpg |
| 19:10.37 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: I mean, come with it out of the box, rather than a separate subscription... |
| 19:10.45 | GeneralAntilles | Wow |
| 19:10.48 | GeneralAntilles | Exchange mail |
| 19:10.49 | javispedro | "Compared to S60, the N900's boot time is much faster," |
| 19:10.51 | javispedro | wow. |
| 19:10.56 | javispedro | S60 must suck. |
| 19:11.10 | zakkm | wow rotation works? :D |
| 19:11.14 | Stskeepz | at least we still have old classics such as X Terminal and Blocks. |
| 19:11.18 | RST38h | zakkm: at least for one app |
| 19:11.43 | javispedro | "There is a partial compatibility with old applications" <-- someone should tell him he's testing NEW applications, not Diablo's ;) |
| 19:11.46 | RST38h | General: Another hint to the fact that this is targeted as S60 replacement |
| 19:12.04 | RST38h | javis: He is not a technical guy |
| 19:12.24 | javispedro | (or maybe not to hide the fact some fremantle apps don't work yet) |
| 19:12.25 | RST38h | javis: When he starts talking technology a lot of details get messed up |
| 19:12.39 | zakkm | isnt it still in beta? |
| 19:12.51 | lcuk | loves the theme |
| 19:13.05 | qwerty12_N810 | ^ |
| 19:13.13 | RST38h | is disappointed at the non-transparent status bar and the absolutely hideous dialogs |
| 19:13.17 | zakkm | there should be some sort of "fremantle hacker edition" without opengl :P |
| 19:13.25 | lcuk | i mean colors and style :) |
| 19:13.26 | RST38h | the rest rules =) |
| 19:13.29 | javispedro | I like the icons, but not the darkness. |
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| 19:13.41 | Andy80 | really wants to write a post about this stupid guy who did the review.... my granmother has more knowledge than him -.- |
| 19:13.45 | Stskeepz | javispedro: there's a bright theme |
| 19:13.49 | lcuk | javispedro, dark is better for a mob device |
| 19:13.53 | RST38h | icons are from s60e5 |
| 19:13.58 | lcuk | plus, at night its easier on eyes |
| 19:14.12 | javispedro | on a sunny day, dark theme? |
| 19:14.13 | RST38h | Andy80: You can rave in his livejouirnal |
| 19:14.23 | Stskeepz | Andy80: can't you just join us in enjoying that Nokia/Maemo Devices are actually putting out a sane device that might be what makes a breakthrough for Maemo? |
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| 19:14.46 | javispedro | so this is how the only GNU/Linux smartphone looks. |
| 19:14.46 | lcuk | and yeah zakkm \@/ i am doin taggin now lol |
| 19:15.00 | GeneralAntilles | FUCK! |
| 19:15.00 | Stskeepz | if it's really out in september, this will certainly help hype up till then |
| 19:15.08 | GeneralAntilles | They turned MicroB into the shitty S60 browser. |
| 19:15.09 | GeneralAntilles | Ugh |
| 19:15.10 | RST38h | All right, seen enough, going back |
| 19:15.21 | RST38h | You mean MicroB is NOT shitty? |
| 19:15.25 | qwerty12_N810 | ^ |
| 19:15.28 | GeneralAntilles | That stupid, obnoxious, piece of shit fullscreen toggle button. . . . |
| 19:15.42 | javispedro | probably fades out after a few seconds |
| 19:15.46 | javispedro | would look very appleish. |
| 19:15.47 | Andy80 | Stskeepz: I do prefer not doing comment until it's officially out :) when I'll have the possibility to have one of them I can express my hopinion :P |
| 19:15.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's incredibly in the way on S60. |
| 19:16.00 | RST38h | Good General just can't be pleased no matter what... |
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| 19:16.15 | RST38h | So what that it looks like S60? If it WORKS, who cares? |
| 19:16.16 | Stskeepz | Andy80: *shrug* :) a leak's a leak and most of this stuff has been around in pieces already |
| 19:16.16 | lcuk | wazd, zakkm is right, lets get something along those lines on mer :) |
| 19:16.28 | RST38h | Make a new theme, and it will look different |
| 19:16.29 | zakkm | lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=313135&postcount=1081 |
| 19:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, this particular feature of S60 DOESN'T come close to working. |
| 19:16.36 | RST38h | Use Tear for the browsing |
| 19:16.46 | RST38h | General: the arrow thing? |
| 19:16.52 | GeneralAntilles | Yes |
| 19:16.53 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:17.05 | GeneralAntilles | That thing makes we want to start stabbing people and/or things. |
| 19:17.06 | Stskeepz | zerojayPC: excellent comment about bugs and pictures :> |
| 19:17.10 | zakkm | lcuk: did you look? |
| 19:17.11 | RST38h | Yea, it is kinda messy, good theory not confirmed by practice |
| 19:17.14 | sjgadsby | The browser UI will be open this time, yes? So, we kill the arrow. |
| 19:17.45 | lcuk | yeah, hence :D |
| 19:17.46 | javispedro | kill the arrow, put back the "fit to width" option, etc. |
| 19:17.57 | javispedro | forward port the diablo browser :P |
| 19:17.59 | RST38h | Yes I love my fit to width option |
| 19:18.11 | RST38h | You are all saying it is broken, you evil bastards |
| 19:18.18 | RST38h | And I lovie, KLove, LOVE it |
| 19:18.30 | lcuk | wonders whether the calendar can accept sketches |
| 19:18.31 | sjgadsby | RST38h: You're sicker than I thought. |
| 19:18.43 | RST38h | Wanna it back. Where is my nuclear device? |
| 19:19.00 | javispedro | the reviewer says nothing about the laser!! |
| 19:19.04 | javispedro | nor the compass!! |
| 19:19.10 | wazd | lol |
| 19:19.22 | RST38h | javis: that is what he has decided to withheld until the official annoncement |
| 19:19.29 | wazd | Eldar writes: "It's too early to tell you bout the details of the CPU" |
| 19:19.40 | wazd | We knew them for a year, dude :D |
| 19:19.43 | RST38h | Ok, I am out for now. Will try to get back over GPRS |
| 19:19.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Modest has to work for Fremantle. |
| 19:19.54 | RST38h | wazd: Maybe it is going to be a Samsung after all? |
| 19:20.02 | wazd | RST38h: Tegra :) |
| 19:20.03 | RST38h | wazd: Same as in 3GS? |
| 19:20.09 | RST38h | Tegra is ARM9 afaik |
| 19:20.15 | qwerty12_N810 | You can't sell a smart-phone with an e-mail client that sucks dick. |
| 19:20.18 | wazd | RST38h: No, he told that it's Cortex :) |
| 19:20.20 | RST38h | They didn't take their time to research ARM CPU market |
| 19:20.26 | RST38h | wazd: Samsung is a Cortex chip |
| 19:20.31 | RST38h | wazd: Used in iPhone 3GS |
| 19:21.09 | javispedro | so, how many taps from any app to launch x-term? |
| 19:21.15 | javispedro | I count a lot. |
| 19:21.25 | wazd | RST38h: oh |
| 19:21.38 | wazd | RST38h: I'm a lamer in these things :) |
| 19:22.05 | wazd | Easter Egg :) |
| 19:22.17 | wazd | Hardware layout: English, netherlands |
| 19:22.26 | GeneralAntilles | How many Euros does the N97 go for? |
| 19:22.30 | lardman | I may have missed the answer to this, but why does mobilre-review have an n900? |
| 19:22.33 | wazd | Ready for the Summit? :) |
| 19:22.43 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, put it on the desktop? |
| 19:22.49 | wazd | lardman: Eldar sleeps with Nokia PR Manager :D |
| 19:22.53 | javispedro | how many taps to get to desktop. |
| 19:22.59 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: hehe |
| 19:23.00 | lardman | wazd: :) ok |
| 19:23.05 | GeneralAntilles | One, as far as I know. |
| 19:23.35 | javispedro | the top-left button seems to activate task switcher. |
| 19:24.04 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr24.jpg <- stoopid layout |
| 19:24.07 | javispedro | oh, btw, Nokia maps app has transparent title bar. |
| 19:24.15 | javispedro | is there public api for that? |
| 19:24.25 | wazd | "," is under symbol sign and "^" is on the main pad |
| 19:24.33 | wazd | how often do you use ^ |
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| 19:25.11 | lcuk | maybe they invented a new programming language just for this device :D |
| 19:25.17 | lcuk | one that needs lots of ^ |
| 19:25.22 | javispedro | programming? |
| 19:25.28 | GeneralAntilles | People need to get over the capacitive insanity. |
| 19:25.29 | javispedro | maybe they invented a new _human_ language. |
| 19:25.35 | Stskeepz | wazd: ^_^ |
| 19:25.40 | sjgadsby | wazd: You need "^" to type about the new Symbian stuff. |
| 19:25.52 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: if user == NORTHERNER; then GTFO |
| 19:25.57 | lcuk | :( |
| 19:25.59 | lcuk | goes |
| 19:26.49 | Andy80 | LOL "FREEmantle" :D |
| 19:26.58 | GeneralAntilles | What's the N97's price in Euros? |
| 19:27.01 | javispedro | does elder allow comments? |
| 19:27.19 | wazd | FreeDismantle :D |
| 19:27.39 | GeneralAntilles | The notch on the top next to the camera button is weird. |
| 19:27.54 | Andy80 | javispedro: luckly for him not.... |
| 19:27.54 | fiferboy | Why did it have to be such a detailed leak? Waiting is going to be especially hard now... |
| 19:27.57 | javispedro | FreeDismantle, that's what they're going to do tomorrow when Nokians start working on Harmattan. |
| 19:28.15 | lardman | hmm, strange, no windows whatsoever |
| 19:28.22 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: IRDA? :) |
| 19:28.23 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: IR window? |
| 19:28.38 | wazd | looks like Andrews think the ame way :D |
| 19:28.40 | GeneralAntilles | wazd/fiferboy, that was my guess when I saw the first set of image leaks. |
| 19:28.45 | GeneralAntilles | But it doesn't look quite right for that somehow. |
| 19:28.56 | Stskeepz | javispedro: i bloody well hope so |
| 19:29.16 | fiferboy | wazd: We should just share a nick |
| 19:29.33 | wazd | With new tablet they gonna Harm-attan everybody :) |
| 19:29.39 | lcuk | lardman, indows? |
| 19:29.41 | lcuk | w |
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| 19:30.04 | GeneralAntilles | So I guess no 2mm power plug? |
| 19:30.05 | GeneralAntilles | That's too bad. |
| 19:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | Gonna suck for host-mode. |
| 19:30.30 | javispedro | you'll need a triple adaptor ;) |
| 19:30.55 | lardman | Well, that really is a leak |
| 19:30.57 | wazd | media player looks kinda old :) |
| 19:31.04 | wazd | http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr03.jpg |
| 19:31.07 | javispedro | they could do a usb otg cable with a single power source for both devices |
| 19:31.55 | wazd | oh! http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr49.jpg |
| 19:32.05 | wazd | That's a desktop switcher! |
| 19:32.14 | wazd | or enabler |
| 19:32.21 | wazd | or desktop something :) |
| 19:32.31 | javispedro | desktop waste-of-time ;) |
| 19:33.28 | fiferboy | The third checked item looks like the current wallpaper |
| 19:33.50 | lardman | wazd: looks like #73 is the switcher too |
| 19:33.52 | javispedro | had already grabbed the popcorn, but seeing there are no comments in the leak he'd better store them again. |
| 19:34.18 | lardman | screenshots are pretty though :) |
| 19:34.48 | javispedro | good news troll fans everywhere: engadget's got it already, and they enabled comments! |
| 19:34.50 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/19/nokias-maemo-5-rx-51-n900-tablet-gets-exhaustively-previewed/ |
| 19:35.26 | Stskeepz | ponders why his debconf part 2 post hasn't showed up on planet yet |
| 19:36.25 | javispedro | "Resistive is a bit dissapointing", "Wow unlocked price of 550 is better than i thought!", "I think it's resistive because RX-51 has much bigger display than the iPhone/Pre", "Maemo 5 is definitely finger friendly so capacitive screens in the future wouldn't be a problem for it" |
| 19:36.27 | javispedro | beatiful. |
| 19:36.40 | Stskeepz | i wonder where two-touch is used |
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| 19:37.04 | GeneralAntilles | Engadget comments are funny |
| 19:37.07 | Stskeepz | or if tap-and-hold is still in use |
| 19:37.25 | GeneralAntilles | It's like they bus in idiots just to comment on their blog. |
| 19:37.36 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: from YouTube? :) |
| 19:37.43 | GeneralAntilles | hehe |
| 19:37.45 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, in that case they've untapped the same source of money YouTube did :) |
| 19:38.17 | javispedro | Nokia should campaing in favour of resistive screens. |
| 19:38.44 | javispedro | even engadget says "disappointed we are in the Rover's resistive touchscree" |
| 19:38.57 | javispedro | Apple's marketing arm is too big. |
| 19:39.16 | lardman | pah, who needs capacitive |
| 19:39.22 | jhford | when the mircob browser tries to download a file and you click open, where does the file save to temporarily |
| 19:39.31 | qwerty12_N810 | jhford: /var/tmp |
| 19:39.33 | zakkm | whats the difference between capacitive and resistive? |
| 19:39.46 | Stskeepz | am i weird for not really seeing why you would need 3d ability in the desktop? |
| 19:39.53 | Stskeepz | except for expose |
| 19:39.56 | lardman | zakkm: capacitive is less accurate |
| 19:40.07 | zakkm | o |
| 19:40.15 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, capacitive is less PRECISE, uses more power and is more expensive. |
| 19:40.19 | lardman | zakkm: capacitive usually does multitouch, while resistive needs another layer to do that |
| 19:40.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeepz: To beat the iPhone, you need a shitton of effects :) |
| 19:40.31 | Andy80 | wants a screenshot of the sound quality :D |
| 19:40.43 | Stskeepz | qwerty12_N810: hehe |
| 19:40.49 | GeneralAntilles | Resistive is less accurate, more failure prone, and more difficult to use. |
| 19:40.49 | zakkm | Andy80: isnt that impossible for most humans |
| 19:40.55 | lardman | wants a screenshot of the DSP task list ;) |
| 19:41.13 | GeneralAntilles | Capacitive does multitouch, is easy to use, and is generally adored by idiots everywhere. |
| 19:41.34 | GeneralAntilles | Resistive is more precise, less costly, and can be used with a stylus. |
| 19:41.35 | Stskeepz | i wonder if there's a connection between liking capacitive and fart apps |
| 19:41.39 | wazd | I can say hello in his LJ if you want :) |
| 19:42.12 | wazd | or ask something |
| 19:42.14 | GeneralAntilles | The big thing people like about capacitive is that it's generally more responsive than a cheap resistive display. |
| 19:42.27 | fiferboy | is bitter that lsbc, personal menu, and personal launcher are no longer needed |
| 19:42.40 | lcuk | advbacklight |
| 19:42.42 | GeneralAntilles | Plus, iPhone. |
| 19:42.42 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: they compare 3 yo resistive with brand new capacitive |
| 19:42.50 | wazd | GeneralAntilles: that's a horseshit |
| 19:43.15 | GeneralAntilles | But a good resistive display gives you better precision and more input options. |
| 19:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | Uses way less power, too. |
| 19:43.21 | Pavlov | having to use a stylus sucks |
| 19:43.38 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, right, which is where the GOOD part of a resistive display comes in. |
| 19:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | My N800 has hardly seen a stylus in the past 2 years. |
| 19:44.17 | Pavlov | resistive displays don't feel good to touch |
| 19:44.30 | Pavlov | sure it can be done |
| 19:44.33 | GeneralAntilles | That depends entirely on the display. |
| 19:44.33 | Pavlov | you learn to use your fingernail |
| 19:44.34 | lcuk | was nice to touch em in copenhagen |
| 19:44.38 | lcuk | i hope they used the same screen |
| 19:44.48 | lardman | what do we reckon the arrow on the kb does? middle row, left-hand side? |
| 19:45.17 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe fullscreen? The icon for fullscreen has a similar arrow |
| 19:45.32 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, ever tried doing real precision work with a capacitive display? |
| 19:45.34 | GeneralAntilles | It sucks. |
| 19:45.43 | lcuk | lardman, since the alt symbols on the keyboard are blue and in the top right corner |
| 19:45.46 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: ah, and there I was hoping for Tab :) |
| 19:46.00 | lcuk | i would imagine.. |
| 19:46.00 | sjgadsby | lardman: Yep. It's the new "Fn". |
| 19:46.06 | GeneralAntilles | ^ |
| 19:46.20 | lardman | What about the Sym key above it then? |
| 19:46.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, of course. *bangs head* |
| 19:46.35 | sjgadsby | lardman: The new "Chr"? |
| 19:47.04 | lardman | yeah perhaps |
| 19:47.07 | Macer | 12 hours later |
| 19:47.12 | Macer | and it's still rebuilding world and system |
| 19:47.13 | Macer | hahaha |
| 19:47.37 | Macer | does mer upgrade with apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:48.13 | zakkm | Macer: to be exact it would be dist-upgrade |
| 19:48.21 | Macer | ah. that's what i meant |
| 19:48.26 | zakkm | to upgrade version. to update packages like apps, it would be upgrade |
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| 19:48.35 | zakkm | but no not really still too early stage of distro :P |
| 19:48.41 | Macer | ah ok |
| 19:48.43 | Macer | just checking |
| 19:48.44 | zakkm | some upgrade, some dont |
| 19:48.47 | Macer | that would be kind of neat |
| 19:49.15 | zakkm | it will ;p |
| 19:50.21 | wazd | I've asked Eldar bout that window |
| 19:50.27 | wazd | near the camera |
| 19:51.08 | Luke-Jr | why the obsession with touchscreens anyhow? |
| 19:51.12 | wazd | 20 megs for installable apps is weird :) |
| 19:51.17 | Luke-Jr | I'd be happy with a simple eraser mouse |
| 19:52.28 | Stskeepz | wazd: he did install quite a lot of sstuf |
| 19:52.29 | Stskeepz | f |
| 19:52.42 | aol | uuh |
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| 19:52.56 | aol | the mobile-review review of n900 is pure sex :) |
| 19:53.11 | aol | it looks much better than I ever imagined |
| 19:53.18 | lardman | feels newly motivated/enthused having seen some new images |
| 19:53.20 | wazd | Stskeepz: I don't think there is much stuff for M5 right now |
| 19:53.32 | Stskeepz | wazd: extras isn't bad |
| 19:53.36 | wazd | Stskeepz: I want to see some games/huge apps too :) |
| 19:53.36 | Andy80 | wazd: maybe the OS takes about 31,9 Gb :P |
| 19:53.48 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: it'll most likely include images, and music etc |
| 19:54.19 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|tv, sadly it didn't do much for me. |
| 19:55.33 | Andy80 | qwerty12_N810: it includes 5 Lost's seasons :) |
| 19:55.38 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: nope, he has 5Gigs of something on flash |
| 19:55.43 | Luke-Jr | will N900 support multi-touch? |
| 19:55.53 | qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: hehe |
| 19:56.00 | wazd | Luke-Jr: no |
| 19:56.12 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: maybe he was just lazy to move some from the flash? :) |
| 19:56.39 | Jaffa | RST38h: "Mail for Exchange" (if it makes it through) would tick some of your boxes, yes? |
| 19:56.41 | Andy80 | maybe! if you touch with a finger a touch your nose it zooms in, if you touch your mouth it zooms out |
| 19:56.45 | Andy80 | revolutionary :P |
| 19:56.59 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: well, this question is already asked in LJ, let's wait for the answer :) |
| 19:57.12 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: yessir :) |
| 19:57.39 | lardman|tv | GeneralAntilles: I think it's good to see some proof that the thing exists at last :) |
| 19:57.52 | lardman|tv | GeneralAntilles: am looking forward to the new device |
| 19:57.57 | Luke-Jr | ooooooooooo |
| 19:58.12 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: on Vodafone? ;P |
| 19:58.21 | Luke-Jr | multitouch is done in software for resistive touchscreens |
| 19:58.24 | lardman|tv | qwerty12_N810: well, we'll see |
| 19:58.25 | Luke-Jr | maybe we can even port it to N8x0 |
| 19:58.36 | lardman|tv | qwerty12_N810: I've moved to pay as you go now, in preparation for something else |
| 19:58.38 | RST38h | back |
| 19:58.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: I was being sarcastic, but... |
| 19:59.10 | RST38h | what have i missed? |
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| 19:59.47 | lardman|tv | anyway, must go back to the TV as no amount of enthusiasm will raise me from the dead when my wife kills me for ignoring her all evening ;) |
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| 20:00.14 | fiferboy | In the text of his article he says 1500 mAh battery, but the picture shows a 1350 mAh battery... |
| 20:00.25 | GeneralAntilles | Wait, Nokia Maps wont pull addresses from Contacts? |
| 20:00.31 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman|tv: XChat exists on Maemo for a reason ;) |
| 20:00.42 | RST38h | so he was wrong bite him |
| 20:01.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Will that get me his NXX? |
| 20:01.17 | GeneralAntilles | I can't believe Maps doesn't support landscape, either. |
| 20:01.35 | fiferboy | Just wondering which is right - I assume the picture unless it is showing a different battery |
| 20:02.20 | RST38h | 1350 8s right |
| 20:02.45 | Macer | blah |
| 20:03.18 | Proteous | maps on my n97 supports landscape |
| 20:03.35 | Andy80 | GeneralAntilles: where have you read it? |
| 20:03.53 | fwrnando | don't you mean it doesn't support portrait? cause there's a landscape screenshot of maps |
| 20:03.57 | Proteous | although the built in compass gets confused when it is inside my car and close to the dashboard |
| 20:04.09 | RST38h | maps screenshot indicaztes otherwise |
| 20:04.38 | RST38h | (while n810 kbd sucks moose balls) |
| 20:04.54 | Proteous | it's too bad they didn't make the screen tilt like the n97, it's really nice |
| 20:05.12 | RST38h | less reliable though |
| 20:05.17 | Proteous | although the n900 is a bit bigger, probably harder to make strong |
| 20:05.18 | Proteous | yeah |
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| 20:05.30 | Macer | blah |
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| 20:05.46 | Macer | no pipe on n810 qwerty |
| 20:05.52 | Macer | wtf nokia |
| 20:06.06 | Vulcanis | people have bound it to capslock I think |
| 20:06.07 | Macer | no pipe?! |
| 20:06.10 | fwrnando | they're going consumer oriented with maemo |
| 20:06.23 | RST38h | ok mujrtazin promises more data on upcoming maemo models in 3 days |
| 20:06.46 | Macer | mujrtazin? |
| 20:06.52 | Proteous | screw pipe, give me alt and ctrl to control screen and irssi |
| 20:06.57 | Macer | is that the mole? |
| 20:06.58 | Macer | haha |
| 20:07.11 | RST38h | macerḠnokia is antidrugs |
| 20:07.22 | Macer | Proteous: there is alt and ctrl |
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| 20:07.49 | RST38h | ok, i am giving up on n810 kbd |
| 20:08.00 | Macer | lol |
| 20:08.14 | Macer | why? it isnt too bad |
| 20:08.37 | wazd | ok, you can install to the 32gb part :) |
| 20:08.56 | GAN800 | Andy80, 5800 Maps. |
| 20:09.24 | Macer | wazd: from what it seems the n900 will have more than enough power to be a laptop |
| 20:09.31 | RST38h | he says 3 maemo devices are in the pipeline |
| 20:09.43 | Macer | as long as there is kb support |
| 20:09.47 | wazd | he doesn't know what's that window |
| 20:09.47 | zakkm | *waits for the $100 tablet :P" |
| 20:09.53 | Macer | bt or otherwise |
| 20:10.07 | wazd | can't look at it now |
| 20:10.11 | Macer | zakkm: that is the n810 ihn a few months |
| 20:10.23 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: osso-af-startup says that only RX-51 has internal MMC. Maybe it will get updated though... |
| 20:10.25 | zakkm | :D ima buy it then |
| 20:10.30 | zakkm | wish i can sell my n800 now though :) |
| 20:10.31 | Macer | although on amazon the wimax ver is going for 1200 |
| 20:10.32 | Macer | lol |
| 20:10.44 | Macer | give it to Stskeeps |
| 20:10.48 | RST38h | also, an interesting detail on iphone in the comments: it appears that some iphone owners have to operate it with their noses in winter (hands in mittens) |
| 20:10.55 | GAN800 | N97 buyers are going to feel like such douches at â¬550. |
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| 20:10.55 | Macer | thats what i did with mine ;) |
| 20:10.57 | zakkm | i need to sell it to buy my N810 for $100 in a few months. |
| 20:11.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: iphone's won't go well with finns |
| 20:11.29 | Macer | GAN800: haha |
| 20:11.37 | Macer | n97 has a nice cam? |
| 20:11.43 | Macer | like the n95? |
| 20:11.54 | RST38h | qwerty: imho external mmc is sufficient |
| 20:12.08 | Macer | n98 will prolly do 1080 |
| 20:12.11 | Jaffa | What's the retail price of an unlocked N97? |
| 20:12.30 | RST38h | "nice cam" and "cell phone" are incompatible :] |
| 20:12.39 | Macer | RST38h: depends |
| 20:12.39 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: agreed, but it does make one wonder what else may be gone :) (if that osso-af-startup is current) |
| 20:12.50 | Macer | i LOVED my n95 cam |
| 20:13.01 | Macer | replaced my camcorder |
| 20:13.05 | wazd | RST38h: http://img.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/idioteka/i/4192B814-0F6F-460A-B50D-D33029102447.jpg |
| 20:13.13 | wazd | lawlomgrofl |
| 20:13.14 | Macer | i have a young son tho |
| 20:13.24 | Macer | had something to record |
| 20:13.53 | fwrnando | the N95 camera was great |
| 20:13.54 | Macer | and who knows, you mightg be witness to a major event |
| 20:14.04 | fwrnando | haven't tried a N97 yet, but it seems to be the same quality |
| 20:14.11 | fwrnando | (except video recording) |
| 20:14.14 | Macer | with dvd quality proof on your phone |
| 20:14.16 | Macer | haha |
| 20:14.18 | RST38h | qwerty: there is a limited set of things that can be gone |
| 20:14.24 | Macer | no video?? |
| 20:14.27 | Macer | fail |
| 20:14.32 | fwrnando | if RX-51 gets the same camera as the N95 I'll be happy |
| 20:14.42 | fwrnando | no, it has video, but sound is muffled or something |
| 20:14.46 | fwrnando | (from what I've read!) |
| 20:14.46 | Macer | fwrnando: doubtful |
| 20:14.48 | Andy80 | hey!!! |
| 20:14.48 | Macer | oh |
| 20:14.51 | Andy80 | one moment! |
| 20:14.54 | Macer | n95 was awesome |
| 20:15.00 | Macer | i miss mine |
| 20:15.01 | Andy80 | I cannot see the most importan feature! |
| 20:15.04 | fwrnando | still have mine here :P |
| 20:15.05 | RST38h | wazd: fallic cookies! |
| 20:15.07 | Andy80 | where is COPY-PASTE?!?!?! |
| 20:15.08 | Andy80 | :D |
| 20:15.11 | Macer | have a g1 now |
| 20:15.14 | RST38h | yummy |
| 20:15.18 | Macer | i wanted to blow up att |
| 20:15.24 | fwrnando | eldar mentioned in his twitter he can copy paste from the browser |
| 20:15.36 | Macer | had to switch because they became major fail on quality |
| 20:15.41 | Macer | bbl |
| 20:15.46 | fwrnando | have a 5800 currently, on a prepaid AT&T sim |
| 20:15.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Andy80: the X Terminal, at least, exposes copy in the menu when you highlight something :) |
| 20:16.07 | RST38h | macer: a worthy goal, do you know where their cables are? =) |
| 20:16.35 | wazd | Andy80: Eldar told that it's everywhere :) |
| 20:16.35 | Proteous | they said that it has the same camera as the n97, which is amazing IMHO |
| 20:16.54 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvH-cRvmHT0 |
| 20:16.59 | wazd | n97 video example |
| 20:17.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Proteous: planning to switch? :) |
| 20:17.32 | mavhc | I mostly bought an n810 because it's half the price of smartphones |
| 20:17.46 | fiferboy | wazd: I was SURE that was going to be a rickroll |
| 20:17.59 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0qTtmSKvNU |
| 20:18.05 | wazd | fiferboy: hah :) |
| 20:18.12 | fwrnando | aren't we above rickrolls? :P |
| 20:18.15 | Andy80 | btw: why the Bookmark screenshot displays "maemo.nokia.com" :P ? |
| 20:18.20 | wazd | another video with mode descent sound |
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| 20:18.38 | fwrnando | hm, if I had some N95 videos uploaded |
| 20:18.53 | fwrnando | recorded a concert with mine last year or so, sounds brilliant |
| 20:19.09 | kfx | I found a pretty enlightening QT development strategy video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIa0frPVGLQ |
| 20:19.14 | Proteous | qwerty12_N810: possibly... :) |
| 20:19.30 | qwerty12_N810 | heh :) |
| 20:19.36 | Proteous | I love my n97, but I would love it more if the processor wasn't so slow... |
| 20:19.46 | wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFWVZ7tkXWQ <- that is quite impressive anyway |
| 20:20.11 | VDVsx | Andy80, Future Maemo website |
| 20:20.26 | fwrnando | yeah, samsung is beating nokia lately :( |
| 20:20.38 | fwrnando | hope the cortex a8 in the rx51 is a sign of things to come |
| 20:20.56 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm just glad that Maemo isn't a second-class citizen, behind Symbian anymore.. |
| 20:21.01 | wazd | fwrnando: well, 720p video with a phone is a bit overkill |
| 20:21.14 | wazd | fwrnando: especially with crappy mic and lens |
| 20:21.17 | fwrnando | the more pixels, the merrier, imho :P |
| 20:21.25 | mavhc | 1080p or it didn't happen |
| 20:21.29 | fwrnando | (as long as it doesn't impact batt life or storage) |
| 20:21.45 | wazd | fwrnando: it impacts battery very hard |
| 20:21.58 | RST38h | they should add display and camera resolution for the marketing brochures =) |
| 20:22.06 | wazd | fwrnando: Omnia HD can shgoot 720p for 40 minutes or so :) |
| 20:22.12 | krzysz00 | is it possible to cross-compile for the nokia without scratchbox? |
| 20:22.13 | fwrnando | ouch |
| 20:22.26 | RST38h | krzys: yes |
| 20:22.34 | GAN800 | Andy80, Tableteer replacement. |
| 20:22.36 | mavhc | if you're bringing out a new phone and it doesn't do 4k video you're wasting your time |
| 20:22.42 | krzysz00 | just need an armel compiler, right? |
| 20:22.43 | RST38h | but with a lot of work |
| 20:22.48 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, bastard son of Nokia, ehheh |
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| 20:23.02 | RST38h | yes, you will have to set up a toolchain |
| 20:23.12 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: "I told you to have it aborted!" :p |
| 20:23.22 | VDVsx | lol |
| 20:23.43 | krzysz00 | wait, is there imagemagick for scratchbox |
| 20:26.50 | RST38h | murtazin says there are more input methods, external ones |
| 20:27.03 | javispedro | every time I read engadget "how bad we feel about the resistive screen" I feel sick |
| 20:27.29 | fwrnando | reading engadget news about nokia is sickening, period :P |
| 20:27.42 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Does he mention anything about handwriting? (Not that I care, personally, my handwriting is God-awful...) |
| 20:27.46 | fwrnando | and I wonder what he meant by that |
| 20:27.46 | javispedro | i'm sure there's someone at nokia marketing yelling "why dont we have a capacitative-wha-his-name thingie" |
| 20:27.55 | fwrnando | did he try a bt keyboard? |
| 20:28.10 | RST38h | qwerty: he does not |
| 20:28.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, right, thanks |
| 20:28.28 | fwrnando | I want to believe the whole "resistive is a must for asian language input" thingy |
| 20:28.31 | fwrnando | but it's getting hard :P |
| 20:29.15 | RST38h | but it is true |
| 20:29.46 | RST38h | you have to have good resolution for handwriting |
| 20:30.04 | fwrnando | a friend has an ipod touch, and from the couple chinese characters I knew that I tried to input, they were recognized fine |
| 20:30.17 | fwrnando | of course my finger in the way was kind of a nuisance |
| 20:31.10 | fwrnando | oh, quick question, by the way |
| 20:31.29 | fwrnando | can you install additional fonts for the web browser to maemo easily? |
| 20:31.52 | fwrnando | S60 renders everything with Nokia's sans-serif, which is... not cool |
| 20:32.16 | javispedro | microb does not in diablo. |
| 20:32.33 | fwrnando | I see :( |
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| 20:32.53 | javispedro | i mean it does not render everything in nokia sans |
| 20:33.15 | javispedro | i guess is uses standard freetype config&file locations |
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| 20:33.22 | fwrnando | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr31.jpg looks like it's using arial |
| 20:33.44 | zakkm | fwrnando: or it could just be reading what the website specifies for font, rather than browser defaults. |
| 20:34.24 | fwrnando | mobile-review's css asks for Verdana |
| 20:34.38 | lcuk | maybe thats simply not specifically available |
| 20:34.49 | javispedro | but you can install it |
| 20:34.52 | lcuk | looks to have done a decent job renderin tho |
| 20:35.07 | fwrnando | font management is something people usually don't care about |
| 20:35.15 | fwrnando | but who knows |
| 20:35.16 | javispedro | wtf of course it's done a great job, it's microb. |
| 20:35.32 | javispedro | it may be slow but gets the job done |
| 20:35.52 | fwrnando | I also wonder about multiple languages support |
| 20:36.12 | fwrnando | can maemo currently display east asian, hebrew, cyrillic etc out of the box? |
| 20:36.35 | fwrnando | (my only maemo experiences was playing with a couple N810s on a Nokia store, sorry :P) |
| 20:36.44 | javispedro | fwrnando, give me a test page |
| 20:36.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Diablo comes with a Chinese font by default |
| 20:36.56 | fwrnando | hm, second |
| 20:37.29 | krzysz00 | can i get imagemagick in scratchbox arm |
| 20:37.38 | fwrnando | javispedro: http://idn.icann.org/ |
| 20:37.54 | fwrnando | specifically The example.test names, tell me how many display |
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| 20:38.47 | javispedro | i see chinese, greek, japanese and russian |
| 20:39.04 | javispedro | the rest are the usual pango white boxes |
| 20:39.18 | fwrnando | hm, not optimal, but way better than what I have in S60 |
| 20:39.20 | fwrnando | thanks :) |
| 20:39.35 | javispedro | maemo is gtk |
| 20:39.53 | javispedro | whatever you can do in desktop gnome you can do in device |
| 20:40.15 | javispedro | (with more or less effort :P) |
| 20:40.35 | fwrnando | haha, as long as it gives me the opportunity, I'm happy with it |
| 20:41.02 | fwrnando | (had to do some weird font modification to get japanese on my 5800 while keeping nokia sans) |
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| 20:47.05 | javispedro | fwrnando, http://depot.javispedro.com/fonts.png |
| 20:47.35 | fwrnando | ooh, thanks |
| 20:48.11 | roope | oh. |
| 20:48.24 | javispedro | everything done from the device, it rules :) |
| 20:48.42 | fwrnando | I wish my 5800 had enough ram to do the same :P |
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| 20:52.42 | fwrnando | http://www.fwrnando.com/files/SuperScreenshot0117.png after some hacking, on my 5800 |
| 20:53.03 | fwrnando | even so, they look so bad at 100% zoom :( |
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| 20:55.39 | bstock | so, anyone know yet if the new maemo will run on earlier tablets, like the n810? |
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| 20:57.02 | ShadowJK | bstock, it will not |
| 20:57.11 | ShadowJK | It would be too slow |
| 20:57.22 | zakkm | there should be a non animated port :P |
| 20:57.26 | zakkm | like static |
| 20:57.32 | bstock | yeah that'd be nice |
| 20:57.36 | ShadowJK | The new tablet has hardware 3D acceleration and about twice the CPU power |
| 20:57.43 | zakkm | twice, isnt it more than twice? |
| 20:57.48 | zakkm | twice doesnt seem right |
| 20:57.52 | ShadowJK | Yeah, more than twice |
| 20:57.55 | ShadowJK | depending on what you do |
| 20:58.10 | ShadowJK | it's a bit of an apples vs oranges comparison |
| 20:58.57 | zakkm | but cpu power itself |
| 20:58.58 | bstock | completely different processor too |
| 20:59.00 | zakkm | pureprocessing |
| 20:59.03 | javispedro | since flash is as-usual slow, i guess only "twice" enough |
| 20:59.08 | zakkm | its more than twice im suree ofit |
| 20:59.08 | ShadowJK | zakkm, yes even there |
| 21:00.24 | fwrnando | I wonder if it will be able to run full featured flash websites in a decent speed |
| 21:00.29 | fwrnando | flash is such a cpu hog lol |
| 21:00.42 | zakkm | guy said flash works perfect |
| 21:00.44 | zakkm | youtube and all |
| 21:00.50 | Jaffa | Did he mention YouTube? |
| 21:00.59 | ShadowJK | Well I have a Intel Quad Core Q9550, and I can tell you that NOTHING runs full featured flash websites at decent speed. |
| 21:01.00 | fwrnando | full youtube or m.youtube.com? |
| 21:01.01 | zakkm | yeah im mostly sure i saw youtube |
| 21:01.06 | javispedro | for the record, i was talking about nand flash. |
| 21:01.08 | fwrnando | ShadowJK: :) |
| 21:01.08 | zakkm | full youtube... m.youtube wont work? |
| 21:01.11 | zakkm | would it? |
| 21:01.16 | zakkm | m.youtube is 3gp |
| 21:01.28 | ShadowJK | hasn't tried m.youtube on N810 :) |
| 21:01.29 | fwrnando | they have a flash lite m.youtube |
| 21:01.36 | zakkm | ShadowJK: woww is it overclocked? :P friend has a 4ghz q9550 :P |
| 21:01.43 | ShadowJK | But regular youtube works well enough if you've got free ram |
| 21:01.46 | fwrnando | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9137_YouTube_Mobile_leverages_Flash.php |
| 21:01.58 | ShadowJK | zakkm, default clocks |
| 21:02.01 | fwrnando | "leverages", ha |
| 21:02.50 | zakkm | ohh sickkk |
| 21:02.58 | zakkm | fwrnando: sorry man , i wasnt aware of tht at all |
| 21:03.04 | zakkm | i just remember the super old m.youtube |
| 21:04.16 | ShadowJK | m.youtube is kinda awesome in that it works even on my ancient Nokia 6230 :) |
| 21:05.33 | fwrnando | so yeah, eldar might be referring to m.youtube.com, which while flash, isn't really a benchmark of "runs flash full speed" |
| 21:05.39 | fwrnando | I can hope though :) |
| 21:06.01 | zakkm | n900 is very uhh |
| 21:06.06 | zakkm | top line stuff though |
| 21:06.09 | zakkm | im sure it would work fine |
| 21:06.24 | zakkm | it could also run flash 10, while in diablo we only have flash 9 |
| 21:06.28 | zakkm | which could help alot too |
| 21:06.31 | javispedro | n810 already runs normal youtube at near full speed, why won't n900? |
| 21:06.45 | ShadowJK | I've watched 30 minute flash movies on regular youtube with N810 without noticing any problems, so I'm sure N900 would do it fine? |
| 21:06.50 | ShadowJK | Yeah what javispedro says :P |
| 21:06.52 | zakkm | n810 is only slow on youtube because of downloading of video |
| 21:06.54 | zakkm | not flash itself |
| 21:06.56 | fwrnando | ah, that's reassuring |
| 21:07.05 | zakkm | if you let it download then play |
| 21:07.10 | zakkm | your see it plays just fine |
| 21:07.13 | fwrnando | (as I said, I don't have much experience with maemo :P) |
| 21:07.24 | ShadowJK | wifi consumes alot of CPU on N810.. at its maximum speed it's something like 50% |
| 21:07.35 | ShadowJK | But my internet isn't fast enough that it becomes an issue for me |
| 21:07.50 | zakkm | its the downloading of video thats slow, once it finishes loading whole video |
| 21:07.52 | zakkm | and you press play |
| 21:07.54 | zakkm | its just fine |
| 21:08.11 | fwrnando | wifi uses lots of cpu on the N810? hm, had no idea |
| 21:08.13 | zakkm | flash is fast,, its downloading thats slow / cpu intensive |
| 21:08.21 | zakkm | wifi on "full" |
| 21:08.23 | zakkm | not idle :P |
| 21:08.34 | fwrnando | ah |
| 21:09.19 | ShadowJK | It'll be using huge amounts of CPU at 8mbit/s or so |
| 21:09.34 | fwrnando | I'll never run into that, so I'm safe, haha |
| 21:09.53 | ShadowJK | So ironically, the faster your internet connection is, the worse youtube you'll get on N810 |
| 21:10.00 | zakkm | no |
| 21:10.09 | zakkm | because it will download faster, and therefore evantually be quicker :P |
| 21:10.13 | javispedro | race-to-end |
| 21:10.19 | javispedro | it's called. :) |
| 21:10.23 | fwrnando | someone make a graph for that :P |
| 21:10.24 | fwrnando | (haha) |
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| 21:10.28 | lcuk | ShadowJK, thats a very astute observation :) |
| 21:10.44 | ShadowJK | Yeah I mean the optimal is your internet connection being .5megbits/s or so, enough to keep up with youtube :) |
| 21:12.32 | zakkm | ShadowJK: but if you have 8mbit . and it can download video in like 10 seconds... |
| 21:12.37 | zakkm | then you just have a 10sec wait to watch |
| 21:12.46 | ShadowJK | After a night's googline once, I found some patches to the opensource wifi driver to cut down the CPU use alot, but I think it has suffered bitrot :( |
| 21:12.46 | zakkm | rather than "semi" smooth throughout video if you have 512kbit |
| 21:12.59 | zakkm | bitrot? |
| 21:13.31 | ShadowJK | no longer relevant |
| 21:13.39 | ShadowJK | because the codebase has moved on |
| 21:14.14 | ShadowJK | Sadly, it seems that there's not much interest in the open wifi drivers |
| 21:15.42 | fwrnando | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr73.jpg this screenshot interests me a lot too |
| 21:16.05 | ShadowJK | task switcher with preview? |
| 21:16.09 | lcuk | thinks that looks awfully familiar |
| 21:16.10 | fwrnando | you think they are just static images of the last active state of the screenshot |
| 21:16.19 | fwrnando | or are those being rendered in real time |
| 21:16.35 | fwrnando | *of the application (man that is a terrible sentence) |
| 21:17.16 | fwrnando | eg. will a anigif in a browser window keep moving in the preview? |
| 21:18.50 | zakkm | it depends how real time it is :P |
| 21:18.50 | zakkm | what do you class as real time |
| 21:18.50 | zakkm | could play a video .. would that show in real time? :P |
| 21:18.51 | ShadowJK | Well, from a battery life point of view it would be stupid if the apps were rendering in real time in the background all the time |
| 21:18.51 | ShadowJK | but I guess apps could be activated for the preview |
| 21:19.13 | zakkm | who said its not rendered everytime you open the "view" |
| 21:19.14 | ShadowJK | This kind of task switcher is something you'll probably never see on the old devices :) |
| 21:19.19 | fwrnando | haha, I wouldn't be crazy in keeping a video playing (tho os x's exposé does it) |
| 21:19.23 | zakkm | ?? |
| 21:19.27 | zakkm | qtablet did the same thing almost? |
| 21:19.39 | ShadowJK | almost ;) |
| 21:19.40 | fwrnando | but for something like, opening a mail client, a twitter client and seeing new stuff in the previews |
| 21:19.42 | zakkm | just vertically with kinetic |
| 21:19.43 | fwrnando | that'd be neat, imho |
| 21:19.44 | zakkm | rather than 3x2 |
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| 21:22.18 | javispedro | someone on tmo just said eldar said the new device allows one to install pkgs to the 32gib partition |
| 21:22.20 | wazd | the only thing that I really don't like is statusbar |
| 21:22.30 | wazd | icons are too disarranged |
| 21:22.40 | wazd | I'd rather do something like this: http://s55.radikal.ru/i148/0908/bc/d9042aff49d6.png |
| 21:22.55 | javispedro | unless they're using unionfs and ext3 all over the place i don't see how... |
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| 21:25.06 | fwrnando | that looks nicer, wazd |
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| 21:26.19 | wazd | fwrnando: well, at least there's some order in it :) |
| 21:26.56 | kfx | oh man I'd need to find my glasses |
| 21:27.23 | wazd | kfx: well, that's the fremantle statusbr solution :) |
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| 21:35.18 | Woolly | hey guys |
| 21:36.03 | Woolly | I'm attempting to install oprofile according to this guide: http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/diablo/oprofile/, but am wondering if there's anything special I need to use in my flasher-3.0 line if I'm booting off a miniSD? |
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| 21:38.17 | mikkov_ | javispedro: I don't believe you can install apps to internal mmc |
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| 21:45.56 | lcuk | wazd, that whole menu as they did it looks inspired if you ask me |
| 21:46.31 | lcuk | it looks like it solves the problems of fixed size individual click things |
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| 21:51.44 | wazd | lcuk: whole what menu? :) |
| 21:52.42 | lcuk | the next picture |
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| 22:05.30 | lardman | hmm, wonderful timing of my internet dropout there |
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| 22:07.33 | dark | How i can get maemo hacker tools for nokia n810 |
| 22:07.40 | javispedro | mikkov_, I don't believe it either, but that adds to the list of things the reviewer got wrong. |
| 22:08.03 | javispedro | Wolly, i'm just at this very moment using oprofile. |
| 22:08.11 | javispedro | Wolly, I don't think there's anything special you need to consider. |
| 22:08.30 | javispedro | since the kernel seems to be binary compatible with everything |
| 22:08.33 | zakkm | you clone to sd, and add a bootmenu option to boot from it |
| 22:08.52 | dark | For example in mademo exist x terminal hoy i can delete the history |
| 22:09.02 | javispedro | (I had a few modules compiled for the std Diablo kernel and they worked flawlessly with the oprofile kernel) |
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| 22:09.28 | b-man16 | hello |
| 22:09.30 | zakkm | dark: where do you see "maemo hacker tools" |
| 22:09.45 | zakkm | hey b-man16: did you see the n900 full review? |
| 22:10.15 | b-man16 | nope, can you give me a link? :) |
| 22:10.33 | zakkm | http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml |
| 22:10.36 | zakkm | b-man16: http://www.mobile-review.com/review/nokia-rx51-n900-en.shtml |
| 22:10.40 | b-man16 | :) |
| 22:10.46 | zakkm | btw it is a real phone. |
| 22:11.18 | krzysz00 | is it ok to use the "debian lenny" devkit to develop on a nokia n800 |
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| 22:11.45 | javispedro | krzyzs00, you're on your own if you do (didn't try), what do you need it for tho? |
| 22:11.46 | b-man16 | zakkm: nice :) |
| 22:11.54 | lardman_ | ~lart my connection |
| 22:11.54 | infobot | shoots my connection in the head |
| 22:11.55 | zakkm | scroll down for screenies :D |
| 22:12.21 | zakkm | b-man16: 550 euro too apparently |
| 22:12.35 | krzysz00 | imagemagick |
| 22:12.53 | krzysz00 | for arm |
| 22:13.14 | javispedro | debian-lenny devkit has imagemagick? |
| 22:13.17 | zakkm | krzysz00: you really cant, unless your not really |
| 22:13.26 | krzysz00 | hoping ... |
| 22:13.27 | b-man16 | zakkm: how much in us dollars? |
| 22:13.31 | zakkm | cause your probably doing it on a x86 chip, which wont compile ARM pretty much |
| 22:13.37 | javispedro | krzysz00, it doesn't. |
| 22:13.43 | krzysz00 | ok |
| 22:13.45 | zakkm | b-man16: uhh 600-700 |
| 22:13.49 | b-man16 | o.0 |
| 22:13.54 | dark | @zakkm i saw it for the oldest n7xx |
| 22:13.57 | zakkm | 784* sorry |
| 22:13.57 | b-man16 | jjjeeeeezzzzz |
| 22:13.59 | krzysz00 | so how do i get imagemagick in scratchbox |
| 22:14.17 | zakkm | dark: its too outdated, it doesnt exist anymore.. maemo changed alot in the past few years |
| 22:14.20 | javispedro | your best bet is to get the debian etch package for it and build it, or ask/search in the forum for someone to port it. |
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| 22:14.38 | zakkm | dark: all those references wont apply anymore, unless your on a 770 tablet. and using super old OS |
| 22:14.42 | javispedro | zakkm, lol, do you think he means OS2008HE? |
| 22:14.52 | zakkm | maemo hackers didnt exist for OS2008 did it? |
| 22:14.59 | javispedro | what's "maemo hackers"? |
| 22:15.16 | zakkm | it was the communities "extras" |
| 22:15.17 | javispedro | ah, sorry, (google) |
| 22:15.24 | dark | For examplo i was reading that if i had the deb i might install |
| 22:15.38 | zakkm | it was done before community had more control of "extras" |
| 22:15.42 | zakkm | pretty much, in a way |
| 22:15.49 | lardman_ | dark: try "cd ~ && ls -a *history*" too find your history file |
| 22:15.57 | lardman_ | s/too/to |
| 22:16.01 | lardman_ | too many ooos |
| 22:16.03 | zakkm | javispedro: additional repository , that had ppls apps ... now we just use extras and extras-devel and qole's |
| 22:16.08 | dark | Let me check |
| 22:16.10 | javispedro | 's too a newbie for remembering that ;) |
| 22:16.20 | javispedro | * too newbie. |
| 22:16.36 | zakkm | dark: if you have a deb, you double click on tablet, it will open app manager and "install it" |
| 22:16.53 | dark | Yes i adquired nmap |
| 22:17.03 | dark | But doesnt install it |
| 22:17.32 | zakkm | javispedro: before everyone started using extras /extras-devel .. there used to be tons of repositories.. extras/extras'devel was done to just make it one like combine them all |
| 22:17.45 | lardman_ | use dpkg from the command line to install nmap, it may be the packaging |
| 22:18.03 | javispedro | zakkm: i just arrived here when that transition was in progress :) |
| 22:18.09 | zakkm | me too : |
| 22:18.18 | zakkm | well sor tof |
| 22:19.17 | zakkm | my 770 wsod'd so i left and then got a n800 and came back just before |
| 22:19.17 | javispedro | btw, doo you remember by heart n810's launch price? |
| 22:19.17 | krzysz00 | is it possible to get 'convert' from the n800 in scratchbox |
| 22:19.17 | javispedro | (if not I'll google it, don't worry) |
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| 22:19.46 | javispedro | $479 according to ars :S |
| 22:19.48 | zakkm | javispedro: http://www.maemo-hackers.org/apt/dists/bora/main/binary-armel/Packages as you can tell , maemo-hackers had alot of packages |
| 22:20.29 | javispedro | ah, but most of them are now in either the sdk tools (quilt e.g.) or in extras |
| 22:20.42 | zakkm | yeahh now |
| 22:20.47 | javispedro | krzysz00, you have convert in n800? |
| 22:20.47 | zakkm | thats why i was surprised dark mentioned it. |
| 22:21.28 | zakkm | javispedro: also extras are only for OS2008 , not everyone uses HE and extras wont approve everything |
| 22:21.58 | dark | For examplo i had nc and ettercap and its works |
| 22:22.41 | javispedro | oh, the package name is "graphicsmagick" |
| 22:22.57 | zakkm | dark: what OS are you using, what tablet do you have? |
| 22:23.36 | zakkm | ettercap is awesome :) |
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| 22:24.45 | krzysz00 | thanks |
| 22:25.08 | krzysz00 | i get this error with graphicsmagick |
| 22:25.12 | krzysz00 | maemo-invoker: died connecting to the launcher |
| 22:25.13 | krzysz00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.17 | jaem_N810 | krzysz00: did you get your USBnet situation worked out? |
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| 22:26.04 | javispedro | krzysz00, boot the gui (do the whole xephyr thing and af-sb-init.sh thing) |
| 22:26.11 | javispedro | you can read how in the sdk guide. |
| 22:26.17 | krzysz00 | no and i tried using my existing lan and that didn't work either so i gave up |
| 22:26.39 | dark | Maemo 08 n810 |
| 22:27.38 | dark | For example if use ettercap by line commander its better as use graphics |
| 22:28.16 | dark | I will back im going to install bash 2 |
| 22:30.11 | zerojayPC | Exciting day. |
| 22:30.56 | dark | Ready |
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| 22:32.25 | wiretapped | likes the new screenshots/photos |
| 22:33.05 | wiretapped | but wtf is going on here? http://mobile-review.com/review/image/nokia/rx51-n900/scr/scr14.jpg |
| 22:33.59 | javispedro | that clone-to-sd is going to be as common in n900 than in n8x0 |
| 22:34.34 | javispedro | either way I'll consider less than 200 MiB on rootfs by default a stab on the back to third party developers by nokia. |
| 22:34.36 | krzysz00 | defender: died my parent is not who he claims to be |
| 22:34.37 | krzysz00 | maemo-launcher: warning rising the oom shield for pid=1477 status=2816 |
| 22:34.37 | krzysz00 | wtf |
| 22:34.45 | javispedro | krzysz00, ignor ethat. |
| 22:34.56 | fwrnando | current symbian phones have a 100mb or so internal disk separated from the memory card/mass memory |
| 22:34.57 | javispedro | just wait for the gui to appear |
| 22:35.03 | javispedro | then retry the instalattion. |
| 22:35.05 | fwrnando | think they're going for the same thing there |
| 22:35.12 | krzysz00 | gui is not appearing |
| 22:35.14 | fwrnando | (weird decision, I agree) |
| 22:35.37 | javispedro | fwrnando, current n8x0 has a similar setup: 256MiB NAND chip (jffs2), then internal and external sd slots. |
| 22:35.40 | zerojayPC | wiretapped: That's probably the UI showing because he doesn't have a memory card inserted. |
| 22:35.43 | krzysz00 | and other errors say something about dbus not running |
| 22:35.54 | fwrnando | ah, I see |
| 22:36.07 | javispedro | krzysz00, SDK version and arch? |
| 22:36.10 | fwrnando | it'd be weird not to let users install stuff to mass memory |
| 22:36.16 | fwrnando | but I can see them doing it, lol |
| 22:36.25 | javispedro | fwrnando, it's not an easy job in GNU/Linux. |
| 22:36.52 | fwrnando | something to do with boot devices, I guess? |
| 22:37.01 | javispedro | the 256MiB stores "/" |
| 22:37.07 | javispedro | (aka rootfs) |
| 22:37.18 | krzysz00 | fixed wrong cputransp |
| 22:37.44 | fwrnando | hm |
| 22:38.19 | javispedro | (the bootloader can be configured to boot from sd card, but that's not something the average end user's going to do) |
| 22:38.24 | krzysz00 | fixed |
| 22:38.44 | fwrnando | didn't know about this gnu/linux limitation |
| 22:38.45 | fwrnando | shame |
| 22:39.06 | javispedro | not a limitation per se (there are no limitations) just that there's no common way to do it I believe. |
| 22:39.25 | javispedro | (e.g. unionfs comes to mind) |
| 22:39.29 | fwrnando | the only limit is in your mind, I agree |
| 22:39.34 | dark | I want n900 |
| 22:39.35 | fwrnando | (:P) |
| 22:40.53 | javispedro | it's too pricey for me. |
| 22:41.02 | javispedro | goes back to optimizing things for n810.... |
| 22:41.27 | GeneralAntilles | crosses fingers for discounts. |
| 22:41.45 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia is going to launch without a large portion of their core community if they don't hand them out this year. |
| 22:42.05 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, it's all part of their masterplan to attract iphone developers. |
| 22:42.12 | fwrnando | it's probably going to be free on contract for lots of european carriers |
| 22:42.55 | javispedro | fwrnando, you probably are here because it's going to be a smartphone; but have to understand that lots of existing customers want it just because it's not a phone |
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| 22:43.14 | javispedro | making them pay for a contract is only going to make things worse ;P |
| 22:43.18 | fwrnando | haha, I see |
| 22:43.46 | fwrnando | the maemo community is probably having an influx of new phone-minded new members right now, me being a part of it, lol |
| 22:44.23 | javispedro | personally: I don't care of its a phone or not, care about price, but not going into a contract anytime soon. |
| 22:44.31 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: It's pretty late for dev discounts. Maybe they'll hand some out at Summit... dunno. |
| 22:44.42 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, I'm probably not buying. |
| 22:44.54 | GeneralAntilles | and I dunno if I have the energy to stick with the platform if I can't get one this year. |
| 22:44.58 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: I know I just simply won't be able to afford it. |
| 22:45.09 | javispedro | 's not buying either until it reaches the 350-ish mark. |
| 22:45.20 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Yeah... me either. |
| 22:45.38 | GeneralAntilles | Nokia can fix and support their own damn platform |
| 22:45.41 | GeneralAntilles | No more free labor from me. |
| 22:45.55 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: I don't think they'd leave their core behind though. How many got the discount for the N810... and... you know, were actually able to use it? |
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| 22:46.09 | pupnik_ | nokia rules for supporting linux |
| 22:46.16 | pupnik_ | i will be mean to people who diss them |
| 22:46.21 | zakkm | lol |
| 22:46.24 | zakkm | intel is best? |
| 22:46.35 | pupnik_ | intel is satan you bootlicker |
| 22:46.41 | zakkm | ? |
| 22:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 22:46.45 | fwrnando | lol |
| 22:46.48 | zakkm | they opensourced everything driver wise didnt they? |
| 22:46.57 | GeneralAntilles | Not exactly |
| 22:46.57 | pupnik_ | they did not |
| 22:46.58 | zakkm | no proprietry |
| 22:47.08 | zakkm | probably just thinking of videocard in linux |
| 22:47.08 | zakkm | :P |
| 22:47.11 | pupnik_ | do not let the perfect become the enemy of the good |
| 22:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | See the Poulsbo fun. |
| 22:47.43 | pupnik_ | GeneralAntilles: did you see my fix for javispedros snes emu? |
| 22:47.52 | fwrnando | and I was happy to see nokia shifting the high end line to a community supported platform |
| 22:47.58 | pupnik_ | we now have a god damn snes emu that works |
| 22:48.01 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't been paying any attention to the emu stuff in the past couple months. |
| 22:48.01 | fwrnando | had no idea it would cause this haha |
| 22:48.21 | pupnik_ | javis rules. i rule. general rules. |
| 22:48.26 | pupnik_ | we rule |
| 22:48.27 | zakkm | snes on tablet? |
| 22:48.27 | zerojayPC | pupnik_: What was your fix? |
| 22:49.11 | zerojayPC | 60fps? |
| 22:49.12 | Proteous | now all we need is a good dpad... |
| 22:49.12 | javispedro | I think SDL_AUDIODRIVER=ALSA |
| 22:49.22 | zakkm | 60fps, the refresh rate isnt even that high is it |
| 22:49.24 | javispedro | (waiting for confirmation tho :P) |
| 22:49.46 | zerojayPC | zakkm: Has to be, otherwise SNES is pretty much useless. |
| 22:50.16 | javispedro | 60fps is too much. |
| 22:50.19 | zakkm | http://pupnik.de/770_snes9x_pacman.jpg yeah yeah 770 godness |
| 22:50.26 | zakkm | snes doesnt require 60fps? |
| 22:50.27 | javispedro | 30fps is mostly playable. |
| 22:50.28 | zakkm | does it? |
| 22:50.34 | zakkm | that seems too high |
| 22:50.40 | javispedro | native ntsc snes is 60fps |
| 22:50.43 | zakkm | and it would be frame skipped, not slow motion |
| 22:51.02 | javispedro | we're talking about frameskip |
| 22:51.09 | zakkm | yeah |
| 22:51.12 | zakkm | so 60fps is too much |
| 22:51.19 | zakkm | and snes .. just need like 20fps |
| 22:51.24 | pupnik_ | zerojayPC: no 60 fps... |
| 22:51.26 | zakkm | its not a crazy shooting platform |
| 22:51.30 | pupnik_ | i dont think it's possible |
| 22:51.36 | zerojayPC | zakkm: 20fps is completely unplayable. |
| 22:51.44 | pupnik_ | but the snes emu now gives dropout-free sound |
| 22:51.45 | zerojayPC | Even 40 is really borderline. |
| 22:51.50 | pupnik_ | javispedro is a hero |
| 22:51.56 | pupnik_ | yes for some games |
| 22:51.59 | javispedro | IMHO, 10fps is my threshold |
| 22:52.00 | pupnik_ | not for rpgs tho |
| 22:52.08 | javispedro | <10fps lose mario kart race |
| 22:52.10 | javispedro | >10fps win :D |
| 22:52.11 | zerojayPC | I notice the dropped frames way too easily. |
| 22:52.37 | pupnik_ | javispedro: can you set output="alsa" in the code? |
| 22:52.38 | zakkm | does changing cpu governor to performance help? |
| 22:52.38 | zerojayPC | Thanks to playing all those games where you have only one frame to do things in. |
| 22:52.41 | pupnik_ | i assume yes |
| 22:52.47 | zakkm | would yield better results than ondemand |
| 22:52.51 | javispedro | I could pupnik_, have you seen if it has any problems? |
| 22:52.52 | pupnik_ | zakm, no - maybe 1fps |
| 22:53.05 | pupnik_ | no problems, just creamy happiness |
| 22:53.08 | javispedro | like, not system audio, slower frame, or something else? |
| 22:53.14 | javispedro | ok |
| 22:53.15 | pupnik_ | nothing. try it. |
| 22:53.18 | javispedro | thanks |
| 22:53.19 | javispedro | ! |
| 22:53.31 | pupnik_ | i KNEW it was backend shit |
| 22:53.31 | javispedro | i can't believe it yet :D |
| 22:53.35 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: installing snow leopard 10a433 server tonight :) |
| 22:53.42 | krzysz00 | graphicsmagick-imagemagick-compat |
| 22:53.42 | krzysz00 | is unfortumately unavalable |
| 22:53.46 | pupnik_ | and i am so happy to be right when RST38h was wrong :) |
| 22:53.51 | pupnik_ | how often does that happen? |
| 22:54.04 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik_, depends entirely on the subject at hand. ;) |
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| 22:54.26 | javispedro | btw pupnik_ I don't know if you were here when I told that just selectively adding the register keyword in some vars made mariokart go +5fps faster. |
| 22:54.32 | pupnik_ | javispedro: can you come to amsterdam? |
| 22:54.43 | pupnik_ | oh i am sure you can improve a lot |
| 22:54.54 | javispedro | I am not decided yet, I will get my schedules in september (hope it's not too late by then) |
| 22:55.05 | pupnik_ | well i was considering renting a boat |
| 22:55.13 | zerojayPC | pupnik_: Do you know who RST38h is? |
| 22:55.36 | pupnik_ | i know he wrote many emulators and is about 10x as smart as me |
| 22:55.46 | pupnik_ | so it's awesome when i'm right, and he's wrong |
| 22:55.51 | AStorm | hello |
| 22:55.56 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:55.58 | zerojayPC | pupnik_: He's probably one of the most well known emulator authors and has been doing it for something like 15 years. |
| 22:56.11 | AStorm | what in your opinion is the best way to share a music collection across n810 and my server |
| 22:56.11 | pupnik_ | yeah well i fuckin owned today |
| 22:56.16 | pupnik_ | don't steal my thunder |
| 22:56.17 | AStorm | with caching |
| 22:56.18 | krzysz00 | i really would like the inagemagick utils under scratchbox for a makefile that srinks images |
| 22:56.19 | zerojayPC | So I was somewhat shocked to see he was a tablet user. :) |
| 22:56.41 | javispedro | he's a genius indeed, i did not recognize him firstly when we met here |
| 22:56.50 | javispedro | was shocked to find |
| 22:56.57 | javispedro | out. |
| 22:57.09 | AStorm | I was thinking about some networked filesystem |
| 22:57.14 | AStorm | what are your ideas? |
| 22:57.55 | javispedro | AStorm, the tablet comes with upnp client. |
| 22:58.01 | AStorm | should avoid caching whole files if a dumb app like canola wants to read all the tags |
| 22:58.11 | AStorm | upnp is not internet-safe. |
| 22:58.24 | AStorm | I'm talking an actual server. |
| 22:58.32 | javispedro | ah, sorry, that's a requeriment then. |
| 22:59.16 | AStorm | so, smart caching filesystem would be best |
| 22:59.20 | AStorm | any leads? |
| 22:59.43 | AStorm | *network filesystem |
| 23:00.02 | AStorm | I could secure a VPN... but that's extra hassle |
| 23:00.10 | AStorm | and possibly overhead |
| 23:01.58 | sp3000 | word-of-mouth? |
| 23:02.01 | AStorm | my shots in the dark are: 9P, coda, nfs, cifs, sshfs with mods? |
| 23:02.10 | sp3000 | it is too a networked filesystem :0 |
| 23:02.11 | javispedro | discard nfs ;) |
| 23:02.35 | AStorm | sp3000, yeah, but too slow to transfer my music :> |
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| 23:02.44 | lardman | re |
| 23:02.46 | javispedro | i'd suggest sshfs, but that has some overhead too. |
| 23:02.58 | javispedro | (compression may be a benefit tho) |
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| 23:03.01 | AStorm | the main req is caching |
| 23:03.18 | AStorm | nah, compression won't help compressed music |
| 23:03.20 | sp3000 | AStorm, I'd worry about corruption more with those |
| 23:03.25 | krzysz00 | i really would like the inagemagick utils under scratchbox for a |
| 23:03.26 | krzysz00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.35 | AStorm | sp3000, there's ECC |
| 23:03.56 | AStorm | krzysz00, great. build them? |
| 23:04.34 | sp3000 | AStorm: for tone-deaf reproduction of music? dunno :P |
| 23:04.47 | lardman | ot, but does anyone know if it's possible to make the taskbar in Gnome have 2 rows? |
| 23:04.53 | AStorm | why reproduce when you can copy? |
| 23:05.07 | AStorm | lardman, not w/o a code hack I think |
| 23:05.20 | lardman | AStorm: cool, I'll stop wasting time looking then :) |
| 23:05.43 | lardman | thanks |
| 23:05.48 | zakkm | two rows? |
| 23:05.50 | javispedro | AStorm, at this moment i don't know if fuse filesystems are cached by the kernel in the usual way |
| 23:05.55 | zakkm | you can enlarge it? if that helps |
| 23:05.56 | javispedro | but I know http://freshmeat.net/projects/fuse-cache/ |
| 23:06.07 | zakkm | or login as root and run gnome-panel? :P |
| 23:06.15 | zakkm | which will give you root's gnome-panel settings :P |
| 23:06.16 | sp3000 | AStorm: word-of-mouth only does lossy analog copies, and the output quality is often dubious |
| 23:06.19 | javispedro | you could modify it to your reqs. |
| 23:07.00 | AStorm | yeah, fun. as if I had the time to rewrite a filesystem |
| 23:07.24 | zakkm | question if you guys dont mind, its came to me |
| 23:07.26 | lardman | zakkm: I just have too many windows open, not to worry |
| 23:07.33 | zakkm | if you created a filesystem, could it be reverse engineered to read? |
| 23:07.42 | zakkm | wouldnt your own private filesystem be the greatest security? |
| 23:07.45 | zakkm | not encryption? |
| 23:07.57 | javispedro | security by obscurity only works when not enough eyeballs are present. |
| 23:08.04 | AStorm | ... |
| 23:08.05 | jaem_N810 | yep |
| 23:08.18 | jaem_N810 | also see Schneier's Law |
| 23:08.34 | javispedro | goes to wikipedia |
| 23:09.01 | javispedro | fwiw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier%27s_Law |
| 23:09.25 | zakkm | i dont get it. |
| 23:09.32 | AStorm | so, no such FS ready yet? |
| 23:09.52 | AStorm | that plan 9 fs might be good... if it does local caching |
| 23:10.32 | javispedro | btw, any reason andrew is not on your list? |
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| 23:10.47 | AStorm | afs? forgot about it |
| 23:10.54 | AStorm | never even tried it |
| 23:11.07 | javispedro | i was planning to try it until I started with nfsv4 |
| 23:11.11 | AStorm | (note: coda beat me at the config stage once) |
| 23:11.14 | javispedro | (which should make it into your list too) |
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| 23:14.39 | lardman | ~lart Makefile syntax |
| 23:14.39 | infobot | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking Makefile syntax's head off |
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| 23:26.19 | b-man16 | starts hacking up his Magellan Maestro |
| 23:27.36 | b-man16 | http://goeken.homedns.org/Weather/Magellan3100/Magellan.htm |
| 23:27.38 | b-man16 | xD |
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| 23:32.15 | krzysz00 | hey i think building imagemagick worked |
| 23:32.22 | krzysz00 | great ideas guys |
| 23:33.22 | b-man16 | ~burn his Magellan Maestro |
| 23:33.22 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over his Magellan Maestro, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 23:33.33 | b-man16 | :) |
| 23:33.49 | zerojayPC | A compilin' we will go, a compilin' we will go... hi-ho a merry-o, a compilin' we will goooo... |
| 23:34.12 | lardman | uurgh, Windows CE |
| 23:34.26 | lardman | zerojayPC: more RTCOMM plugins? |
| 23:35.08 | zerojayPC | Yeah, I'm going to try a few Pidgin plugins tonight now that I've got the scratchbox all set up. |
| 23:35.21 | lardman | cool :) |
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| 23:35.42 | zerojayPC | There's quite a lot of 3rd party protocol plugins. |
| 23:36.30 | zerojayPC | Hm. |
| 23:36.38 | zerojayPC | Pidgin 2.6.1 adds XMPP voice and video. |
| 23:37.40 | zerojayPC | That must have just been released. I just downloaded the pidgin source two days ago and it was 2.5.8. |
| 23:38.08 | zerojayPC | 2.6.0 - 19 August 2009 |
| 23:38.13 | javispedro | but you'll have hard time adapting it to telephaty-haze I guess |
| 23:38.32 | javispedro | (i mean the a&v part) |
| 23:38.36 | zerojayPC | I won't be. |
| 23:38.40 | javispedro | :) |
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| 23:39.22 | lardman | :) |
| 23:39.35 | lardman | I notice my luck is still holding |
| 23:40.53 | zerojayPC | Telepathy-haze can handle quite a few different protocols... and the facebook chat is actually a plugin for telepathy-haze. |
| 23:41.03 | zerojayPC | But some of these other ones will be plugins for libpurple. |
| 23:41.07 | zerojayPC | So we'll see how it goes. |
| 23:41.46 | lardman | I was always interested in knowing how that stuff worked, but never got round to looking at it |
| 23:41.51 | lardman | keep up the good work :) |
| 23:42.22 | javispedro | runs out of arm registers .... damn. |
| 23:42.23 | zerojayPC | I'm not a programmer... I'm just a dude that likes to tinker with stuff and I know how to compile it. ;) |
| 23:42.37 | javispedro | then you are by all means a programmer... |
| 23:42.42 | lardman | well that's the first step... :) |
| 23:42.45 | zerojayPC | lardman: Anything in particular that you're interested in? |
| 23:43.24 | zerojayPC | I used to program, but I just don't have the patience for it anymore... family, wife... hard to find the time to really do it for fun. |
| 23:43.24 | lardman | nah, I was wondering if the location protocol could be added in |
| 23:43.24 | lardman | just an idle thought |
| 23:43.37 | lardman | I know that feeling, which is why I'm here at quarter to 1 in the morning |
| 23:43.47 | zerojayPC | I'm not sure but I think... I think there already is liblocation support somewhere... |
| 23:44.05 | lardman | but broadcasting the information too? |
| 23:45.14 | zerojayPC | I think maybe Pidgin already can.. I'll take a look around again. |
| 23:45.34 | lardman | yeah Pidgin can iirc |
| 23:46.04 | AStorm | hmm |
| 23:46.12 | AStorm | seems that 9p will do |
| 23:46.22 | AStorm | it could use one more caching mode |
| 23:46.28 | lardman | 9p? |
| 23:46.43 | AStorm | plan 9 network filesystem |
| 23:46.51 | lardman | ah, not money then :) |
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| 23:50.32 | lardman | ah, too late in the evening to begin debugging DSP tasks |
| 23:50.39 | lardman | will have to wait for tomorrow |
| 23:51.07 | AStorm | blah, afs still doesn't do writing. off the list |
| 23:52.16 | kfx | you could use nfs like everyone else :V |
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| 23:52.55 | javispedro | nfs <= 3 over internet is bad idea. |
| 23:53.10 | javispedro | nfs4 is not what everyone else uses, so far ;) |
| 23:53.27 | AStorm | kfx, does it cache stuff well? |
| 23:53.46 | kfx | why? |
| 23:54.03 | AStorm | esp. not doing idiocy like pulling whole files over the network when blocks are needed |
| 23:55.01 | AStorm | javispedro, as I said, I can make a VPN if I can't avoid it |
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| 23:55.46 | derf | afs doesn't do writing? |
| 23:56.08 | AStorm | derf, linux driver says so in the readme |
| 23:56.24 | derf | I wonder what I was using all those years at school, then. |
| 23:56.30 | derf | Because it sure seemed like afs in Linux. |
| 23:56.35 | derf | And it wrote just fine. |
| 23:56.55 | AStorm | likely nfs |
| 23:57.03 | derf | No, I am quite sure it was not nfs. |
| 23:57.10 | AStorm | codafs? |
| 23:57.19 | derf | That wondering was rhetorical. |
| 23:57.23 | derf | I know for a fact it was afs. |
| 23:57.47 | derf | It was even connected to the original CMU nodes, though I couldn't write to those. |
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| 23:58.09 | javispedro | AStorm, nobody uses the builtin linux driver afaik |
| 23:58.29 | AStorm | ahha |
| 23:58.58 | AStorm | and I guess the external one is not suitable for / (or anywhere close) |
| 23:59.46 | javispedro | you want / ?? |
| 23:59.55 | javispedro | you're pretty much limited to nfs then I believe. |
