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| 01:10.40 | camahueto | Hi |
| 01:10.52 | camahueto | anyone can help me with reflashing mi N810? |
| 01:11.56 | camahueto | I can't do it following the instructions in wiki.maemo.org |
| 01:13.01 | camahueto | I don't know if it got something to do with the fact that I'm already using the latest version of diablo |
| 01:13.15 | camahueto | And I'm triying to reflash to that same version |
| 01:14.19 | camahueto | anyone? |
| 01:22.23 | Macer | heh |
| 01:22.36 | Macer | had a bit of a hiccup with gentoo |
| 01:22.49 | Macer | and i think when i wake up the day after tomorrow |
| 01:23.02 | Macer | it will be all done haha |
| 01:27.54 | camahueto | Well, it seems there isn't anyone around here |
| 01:28.03 | camahueto | I mean not many people |
| 01:32.35 | kfx | 20:08 < camahueto> I can't do it following the instructions in wiki.maemo.org |
| 01:32.45 | kfx | we're going to need more information than this before we can offer any advice |
| 01:32.53 | camahueto | lol |
| 01:33.13 | camahueto | I was waiting for some reaction |
| 01:33.25 | camahueto | I tried to install an app and got out of memory |
| 01:33.44 | camahueto | I tried to erase the files |
| 01:33.54 | camahueto | using the command line and there was no answer |
| 01:34.02 | camahueto | so I reboot the device |
| 01:34.10 | camahueto | and now It keeps rebooting |
| 01:34.21 | camahueto | so I wanted to reflash |
| 01:35.02 | kfx | ok |
| 01:35.07 | camahueto | I followed the instructions on wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:35.15 | camahueto | in Kubuntu Jaunty |
| 01:35.21 | camahueto | and every single time I tried |
| 01:36.27 | camahueto | with the n810 in usb mode (I can't remember the name now, but with the usb icon on the top right corner) |
| 01:36.46 | camahueto | the Nokia logo just turned black&white |
| 01:37.12 | camahueto | and reboot (exiting the usb mode) |
| 01:37.21 | kfx | let's take this from the top |
| 01:37.27 | kfx | are you ready to walk through the process now? |
| 01:37.29 | camahueto | while the terminal stops the process |
| 01:37.46 | camahueto | when says: Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
| 01:37.57 | camahueto | without saying anything else |
| 01:38.21 | camahueto | the complete exit of the terminal is: USB device found found at bus 002, device address 037 |
| 01:38.21 | camahueto | Found device RX-44, hardware revision 0805 |
| 01:38.21 | camahueto | NOLO version 1.1.16 |
| 01:38.21 | camahueto | Version of 'sw-release': <no version> |
| 01:38.54 | camahueto | ok |
| 01:39.00 | camahueto | I'm ready |
| 01:39.21 | kfx | the n810 is off, correct? |
| 01:39.26 | camahueto | ok |
| 01:39.31 | camahueto | it is |
| 01:39.45 | kfx | make sure it's not plugged in to charge |
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| 01:39.53 | camahueto | it is not |
| 01:39.55 | kfx | then connect it via usb without turning it on |
| 01:40.04 | camahueto | it's connected |
| 01:40.13 | camahueto | and it's off |
| 01:40.17 | kfx | open a root prompt in a terminal |
| 01:40.28 | camahueto | ok |
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| 01:41.11 | kfx | here's the command you want to run |
| 01:41.14 | kfx | ./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R |
| 01:41.55 | camahueto | I runned the same without the f |
| 01:42.06 | camahueto | sorry without the -F |
| 01:42.12 | camahueto | and happened what I just described |
| 01:42.21 | camahueto | and when I did tried with the -F |
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| 01:42.37 | camahueto | it said: RX-44_Diablo_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory |
| 01:42.55 | zerojayPC | Yeah, you need to download that. |
| 01:43.10 | camahueto | but when I run it without the -F |
| 01:43.25 | camahueto | it says: Suitable USB device not found, waiting |
| 01:43.27 | kfx | ok that doesn't matter |
| 01:43.37 | zerojayPC | You're trying to reflash, correct? |
| 01:43.41 | camahueto | yeah |
| 01:43.48 | camahueto | I need another image? |
| 01:43.50 | zerojayPC | Download that file. do not run it without the -F. |
| 01:43.53 | kfx | you need to run that command precisely |
| 01:44.01 | camahueto | yeah |
| 01:44.06 | camahueto | and I got the file |
| 01:44.18 | kfx | andc when you get suitable device not found, waiting |
| 01:44.33 | camahueto | when I run it without the -F |
| 01:44.35 | kfx | then you hold the home key and turn on the device |
| 01:44.35 | zerojayPC | Make sure the case matches. |
| 01:44.48 | camahueto | yeah, I'm sure it matches |
| 01:44.51 | zerojayPC | And that you have the file in the same directory as the flasher. |
| 01:44.57 | camahueto | yes |
| 01:45.09 | kfx | when you run it without -F it doesn't work |
| 01:45.18 | kfx | this should be a hint |
| 01:45.22 | camahueto | no |
| 01:45.25 | zerojayPC | Try this: ./flasher-3.0-static -F ./RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R |
| 01:45.40 | zerojayPC | er... |
| 01:45.55 | zerojayPC | Try this: ./flasher-3.0-static -F ./RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM -f -R <--- you might be missing the .bin at the end. |
| 01:46.59 | camahueto | no |
| 01:47.11 | camahueto | it's the same with or without the .bin |
| 01:47.21 | camahueto | (but with the -F before) |
| 01:47.28 | zerojayPC | You're doing this from a Linux machine, right? |
| 01:47.39 | camahueto | not such file or directory |
| 01:47.44 | camahueto | kubuntu jaunty |
| 01:47.55 | camahueto | to be more precise |
| 01:48.06 | zerojayPC | Then you simply don't have the correct image.. or you need to fix the command to match the file you have downloaded. |
| 01:48.12 | zerojayPC | Where did you get your image from? |
| 01:48.16 | camahueto | nokia |
| 01:48.26 | camahueto | in fact I flashed it with that image |
| 01:49.13 | camahueto | and I got the last one |
| 01:49.13 | zerojayPC | And does 'ls RX*.bin' show anything? |
| 01:50.00 | camahueto | "RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 01:50.17 | camahueto | I will try redownloading the image |
| 01:50.35 | zerojayPC | I'd recheck the command as well. |
| 01:50.41 | zerojayPC | It looks correct though. |
| 01:50.57 | camahueto | yeah, In fact I have tried it before |
| 01:51.02 | camahueto | with the -F |
| 01:51.15 | camahueto | but I just don't know what happens |
| 01:51.25 | camahueto | and I will redownload the flasher too |
| 01:51.31 | camahueto | and tell you what happens |
| 01:51.39 | camahueto | in which distro are you? |
| 01:52.22 | zerojayPC | ArchLinux, but I've done the flashing across Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, Slackware, Yellow Dog and a few others. Never a problem. |
| 01:52.25 | camahueto | just because of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30828 |
| 01:52.34 | camahueto | which shows problems in Ubuntu too |
| 01:52.43 | kfx | you're getting flasher-3.0-static, right |
| 01:52.51 | Macer | the saga continues |
| 01:52.52 | Macer | :) |
| 01:52.53 | camahueto | yep |
| 01:52.55 | Macer | wu tang |
| 01:53.35 | Macer | "-DVENDOR_RELEASE=(((1) * 10000000) + ((5) * 100000) + ((3) * 1000) + 0)" |
| 01:53.39 | zerojayPC | Are you holding down the swap button until it is found? |
| 01:53.41 | Macer | wow. doesn't that look serious? |
| 01:53.54 | Macer | wonder why the +0 at the end :) |
| 01:54.15 | Macer | that is some ugly looking math if that's what it is |
| 01:55.30 | camahueto | as a matter of fact, I tried the dapper version of the flasher after static didn't work, and It told me that I needed to use a newer version |
| 01:55.40 | Macer | why couldn't it just be (1*10000000) + (5*100000) + (3*1000) |
| 01:55.42 | camahueto | I'm holding the swap button |
| 01:56.11 | camahueto | and it got into usb mode |
| 01:56.44 | camahueto | and in fact something happens in the device, because the screen turns black&white for a second |
| 01:56.57 | camahueto | and then reboots to normal mode |
| 01:58.17 | zerojayPC | That's not good. Weird. |
| 01:59.37 | camahueto | don't tell me |
| 02:00.12 | camahueto | in the meantime I'm the proud owner of a piece of aluminium that doesn't work at all |
| 02:00.13 | camahueto | :-P |
| 02:00.31 | zerojayPC | Honestly, I don't know. |
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| 02:01.50 | camahueto | thanks anyway |
| 02:01.51 | Macer | hm |
| 02:01.53 | Macer | this keyboard |
| 02:01.59 | Macer | has lasted a VERY long time off some batteries |
| 02:02.02 | Macer | it's been like months |
| 02:02.27 | Macer | i kind of like debian on this pc tho :) |
| 02:02.34 | Macer | at least i can run kde4.3 heh |
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| 02:06.18 | camahueto | I think I will try reflashing it tomorrow using the windows version |
| 02:06.22 | camahueto | of the update tool |
| 02:07.22 | camahueto | and does anyone knows is there is a problem when I downgrade? |
| 02:10.03 | camahueto | using the diablo 4 image |
| 02:10.07 | camahueto | the same happens |
| 02:10.14 | camahueto | so it seems is a problem with the flasher |
| 02:10.16 | camahueto | or the os |
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| 02:11.18 | camahueto | so |
| 02:11.20 | camahueto | good night |
| 02:11.28 | camahueto | thanks all |
| 02:11.29 | camahueto | bye |
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| 02:57.10 | divide_by_zero | hi. does anybody know if I can write a python program usnig the gstreamer library to process the signal? Actually change the value of samples? (pixels or audio...) |
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| 03:04.38 | timeless_mbp | ¿hay alguien aquà que puede habla español? |
| 03:11.23 | divide_by_zero | yo hablo "portuñol" :] |
| 03:13.22 | timeless_mbp | ir al https://account.nokia.com/acct/register?lang=es-419 |
| 03:13.23 | timeless_mbp | lee: Ingrese 3 a 32 caracteres. El nombre de usuario sólo puede contener números, '.', '-' y '_'. |
| 03:20.34 | divide_by_zero | hmmm en portugués diz Introduza entre 3 e 32 caracteres. O nome de utilizador só pode conter letras, números, '.', '-' e '_'. |
| 03:21.05 | divide_by_zero | podemos usar letras também! ;) |
| 03:22.14 | timeless_mbp | solomente si su no habla espanol en las americas! |
| 03:24.50 | divide_by_zero | te tratam como se fosse apenas um número!! ;) |
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| 05:17.34 | Macer | finally got X in gentoo |
| 05:17.35 | Macer | ! |
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| 05:30.57 | divide_by_zero | gratz |
| 05:31.13 | divide_by_zero | what WM do you use? :] |
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| 05:34.58 | Macer | divide_by_zero: i'm about to try matchbox |
| 05:35.00 | Macer | ;) |
| 05:35.04 | Macer | since it's actually meant for this sort of thing |
| 05:35.08 | Macer | i dunno tho.. i might install a few of them |
| 05:35.14 | Macer | just to find out which works best |
| 05:35.24 | Macer | lord knows i'm not using the mer ui :) |
| 05:37.01 | StsN810 | you still owe me a beer though, - building gentoo and installing matchbox in a fit of rage over maemo does qualify as insanity :P |
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| 05:38.08 | Macer | i wouldn't call it a fit of rage :) |
| 05:38.09 | Macer | heh |
| 05:38.21 | Macer | StsN810: use matchbox for mer :-P |
| 05:38.31 | Macer | or is that what you are using? |
| 05:38.35 | StsN810 | we do use matchbox, silly |
| 05:38.54 | StsN810 | we're switching to fvwm prolly though |
| 05:39.32 | Macer | i see |
| 05:39.39 | Macer | you are using a modded matchbox i'm guessing? |
| 05:39.56 | Macer | i'm just asking because i'm curious as to what it comes with on its own |
| 05:39.56 | StsN810 | patched but fixes only |
| 05:40.10 | StsN810 | a wm's a wm |
| 05:40.15 | Macer | i mean how would stock matchbox run apps? :) |
| 05:40.24 | StsN810 | app launcher |
| 05:40.30 | Macer | so it's the hildon stuff that is messed up? |
| 05:40.42 | StsN810 | mostly |
| 05:40.48 | Macer | well. let me go and play with it a bit. i'm sure i can read up on it and if all else fails then i'll use fluxbox |
| 05:40.53 | Macer | that might work well as a portable wm |
| 05:41.01 | Macer | it's rather lightweight and easy to configure |
| 05:41.56 | StsN810 | still qualifies as insanity.. how did you end up here from wanting to build on device? insanity. ;) |
| 05:42.12 | Macer | not really build |
| 05:42.39 | Macer | i wanted the device to act mor elike a computer and less like a tablet |
| 05:42.58 | Macer | the real goal is to use it for actual office work where i can type and print |
| 05:43.07 | Macer | well.. school work really :) |
| 05:43.36 | Macer | i can bust out my su8w and type a paper on the n810 and save it as an opendoc and just mosey into a supported wifi ap with a printer and just print it straight off the tablet |
| 05:43.57 | Macer | these are the things i would expect mer to focus on .. otherwise it will have no appeal to the masses |
| 05:44.07 | Macer | it will just be a fany boy toy |
| 05:44.19 | Macer | s/fany/fan |
| 05:45.39 | Macer | if maemo4 could have done this (which was possible considering cups was supported quite a while ago) maybe the device would have more support than it does now |
| 05:45.49 | Macer | hands down it beats a lot of what is out there with its net access |
| 05:45.58 | Macer | an user interface is great |
| 05:46.13 | Macer | it's just missing small features (like printing) which coudl have made it a powerhouse |
| 05:46.23 | Macer | especially with tear being able to render almost everything |
| 05:47.13 | StsN810 | sigh, we do focus on the computer part, you aren't looking close enough |
| 05:47.48 | Macer | heh. well. i'm sure that's true |
| 05:48.03 | Macer | but if i should have to look for it.. then it is hard to accept |
| 05:48.20 | Macer | with mer all i really expected was to get into the ui.. and be able to set up the wifi in the ui |
| 05:48.29 | Macer | and that wasn't possible with the default 0.15 install |
| 05:48.41 | Macer | because of a bug in the ui that doesn't allow you to edit the network |
| 05:49.10 | Macer | you'd probably be doing better if you didn't default enterance into the ui for now |
| 05:49.10 | StsN810 | bug in network manager -and- ui. it's fixed now |
| 05:49.25 | Macer | and kept people in the console |
| 05:49.30 | StsN810 | .... |
| 05:49.55 | StsN810 | now you sound like you'd want a freerunner instead |
| 05:50.08 | Macer | not true |
| 05:50.18 | Macer | if mer's ui was working a little better |
| 05:50.24 | Macer | then i'd use it ;) |
| 05:50.49 | pupnik | this must be Macer's first experience with something that's "in-development" |
| 05:51.04 | Macer | but right now it isn't. mer would be more appealing if it were just considered a "bare ubuntu install" and allowed users who want to use it to install a different ui since the mer one isn't done yet |
| 05:51.22 | Macer | and have your install page give suggestions on pkgs they can install |
| 05:51.35 | Macer | and allow them to look at yours so they can try it out |
| 05:51.52 | Macer | and let them know it is very immature and a work in progress |
| 05:52.22 | Macer | either that or wait til it's done :) but by then joe user (who probably wouldnt swap off maemo anyways) would be left with a sour taste |
| 05:52.29 | pupnik | Macer: the cool kids don't yammer for days about bugs that have already been fixed |
| 05:52.43 | Macer | pupnik: hehe |
| 05:53.20 | StsN810 | macer, bare ubuntu install is a disaster. we tried that with deblet. |
| 05:53.24 | Macer | i'm not yammering about it |
| 05:53.31 | StsN810 | yes you are |
| 05:53.44 | Macer | :) oh. sorry. didn't mean to do that.. was just really making a suggestion |
| 05:55.43 | StsN810 | you stated your view several times, how about you stop yammering and give us time to fix the problems instead of constantly having these pointless discussions with you? did you ever report the bugs you found? no. |
| 05:56.36 | Macer | in my defense i didn't state the "console only" pov earlier ;) |
| 05:57.37 | StsN810 | and reporting by complaining in channel is not a bug report. you stating users have to go through console to install is ridicolous. |
| 05:58.39 | Macer | sorry. wasn't saying it to be spiteful or anything, i was only making a suggestion. |
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| 05:59.42 | Luke-Jr | StsN810: you got something about Gentoo? :P |
| 05:59.46 | StsN810 | and out of touch with any reality but the 80s :) |
| 06:00.31 | StsN810 | luke-jr, gentoo users don't target same type of users as us |
| 06:00.32 | Macer | -pda |
| 06:00.35 | Macer | there's a pda flag? |
| 06:00.38 | divide_by_zero | I hope N900 feels mora like my old PDP-11 |
| 06:00.45 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
| 06:01.01 | StsN810 | you have your niche, we have ours |
| 06:02.33 | Luke-Jr | StsN810: but you called our niche insane :/ |
| 06:02.40 | pupnik | still has fat muscular fingers from the VT-100 "Bat-Terminals" |
| 06:03.25 | pupnik | i think they wanted to slow typing down by pure physical resistance to keypresses |
| 06:03.31 | Macer | i wonder what the pda flag does |
| 06:03.40 | Macer | all it says in the desc is "adds pda support" |
| 06:03.42 | Macer | :) that's kind of vague |
| 06:03.56 | StsN810 | luke-jr, it's as insane as me spending so much time on Mer |
| 06:04.06 | StsN810 | same symptom |
| 06:04.17 | StsN810 | we just decided to try and fix things |
| 06:04.52 | Macer | Luke-Jr: can you make an unofficial install tarball for gentoo? |
| 06:05.06 | Macer | not you personally |
| 06:05.08 | Luke-Jr | Macer: wtf do you think the stage3 was? |
| 06:05.19 | Macer | a minimal install |
| 06:06.00 | Macer | i only wonder if it is possible to build one with all the n8x0 suppor built in |
| 06:06.09 | Luke-Jr | no. |
| 06:06.15 | Macer | and to also have one with X prebuilt |
| 06:06.15 | Luke-Jr | blame Nokia. |
| 06:06.20 | Macer | ? |
| 06:06.21 | Luke-Jr | that, yes. |
| 06:06.29 | Luke-Jr | but bin pkgs work just fine IMO |
| 06:07.23 | Macer | why no n8x0 stuff? lic? |
| 06:07.40 | Luke-Jr | yeah |
| 06:07.47 | Macer | ah ok |
| 06:09.57 | divide_by_zero | how do I use the microphone as a gstreamer source? |
| 06:10.14 | Macer | blah screw it. let me go ahead and use this "pda" flag and see what it does |
| 06:10.32 | Macer | maybe it stops windows from flying off the screen or something :) |
| 06:11.17 | Macer | how bad are kde apps outside of kde? :) |
| 06:11.31 | Macer | do they still suck up the entire n810? |
| 06:12.51 | Luke-Jr | I wouldn't know. |
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| 06:13.32 | Macer | ok :) tnx |
| 06:13.47 | slonopotamus | Macer, i think 'pda' flag will build kpilot :) |
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| 06:14.23 | Macer | slonopotamus: hehe. in matchbox? :) |
| 06:14.31 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 06:14.37 | slonopotamus | dunno then |
| 06:14.38 | Macer | although |
| 06:14.41 | Macer | kpilot sounds interesting |
| 06:14.46 | Macer | :) |
| 06:14.55 | Macer | maybe later |
| 06:15.02 | Macer | i still have 12G to play with |
| 06:15.09 | Macer | and X works |
| 06:16.00 | slonopotamus | hehe. usb host mode and connect palm to n810? :D |
| 06:16.00 | Macer | twm ftw |
| 06:16.00 | Macer | hell yeah haha |
| 06:16.01 | Macer | i'd get a palm just for that :) ... just to feel redundant |
| 06:16.03 | Macer | i'm building matchbox now |
| 06:16.12 | slonopotamus | i gave my m505 to wife. she uses it to read books |
| 06:16.19 | Macer | then once this all works.. i think i'm going to copy my SD somewhere for safe keeping |
| 06:16.22 | Macer | and work on the sound |
| 06:16.25 | Macer | just in case i break it :) |
| 06:17.40 | Macer | haha. that's it? amazon has this book reading thing taht's supposed to be very good and it has a built in hspda modem for like $500 or something like that to buy books online while on the move |
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| 06:17.57 | Macer | the hspda service is "free" though ;) |
| 06:18.10 | sarower | how i can use text input field with a dialog..? |
| 06:18.11 | slonopotamus | i bought that palm for $30... |
| 06:18.12 | Macer | might not even be hspda.. probably slower stuff if it's just for books |
| 06:18.18 | Macer | slonopotamus: oh |
| 06:18.20 | sarower | for applet in maemo sdk 5 beta2 |
| 06:18.27 | Macer | well. yeah.. i guess that's a little cheaper :) |
| 06:18.36 | slonopotamus | yeah, a bit |
| 06:18.47 | sarower | anybody? |
| 06:18.54 | Stskeeps | sarower: reading the manual for Gtk/Hildon probably |
| 06:19.36 | Macer | ah well. i'm going to get some sleep while this last thing builds.. see.. only took a day of total building time :) |
| 06:19.54 | Macer | only reason it took as long as it did was because one build failed while i was asleep and i expected everything to be fine |
| 06:20.00 | slonopotamus | Macer, 400mhz isn't so bad :) |
| 06:20.09 | Macer | slonopotamus: re-installiung expat didn't seem to do the trick |
| 06:20.25 | Macer | i had to symlink the lib to the "wrong dir" to get libXft to build |
| 06:20.38 | slonopotamus | no |
| 06:20.57 | Macer | ? |
| 06:21.18 | Macer | emerge -v1 expat |
| 06:21.37 | Macer | i tried that. didn't seem to work .. libXft still tried to find it in the /usr/arm.../usr/lib dir |
| 06:21.45 | slonopotamus | grep /usr/lib/*.la for that wrong path and rebuild packages with those files. i somehow screwed stage a bit |
| 06:21.47 | Macer | so i just made a symlink to /usr/lib there |
| 06:22.11 | Macer | ooooh |
| 06:22.35 | Macer | so it was just a symlink problem in the dir itself? |
| 06:22.47 | slonopotamus | i thought it only affected expat |
| 06:23.00 | Macer | like i said. it seemed faster just to symlink the wrong directory to where it was looking for it |
| 06:23.03 | Macer | :) |
| 06:23.14 | Macer | it affects more? |
| 06:23.17 | slonopotamus | Macer, that path came from crosscompiling env. dunno how |
| 06:23.40 | Macer | oh ok. well. i'll fix the symlinks soon |
| 06:23.40 | slonopotamus | grep /usr/arm /usr/lib/*.la |
| 06:24.29 | Macer | oh. that's it? |
| 06:24.40 | slonopotamus | Macer, what does grep find? |
| 06:24.59 | Macer | /usr/lib/libXft.la:dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/libfontconfig.la /usr/lib/libexpat.la -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib /usr/lib/libfreetype.la -lz /usr/lib/libXrender.la /usr/lib/libX11.la /usr/lib/libXau.la /usr/lib/libXdmcp.la -ldl' |
| 06:25.04 | Macer | /usr/lib/libfontconfig.la:dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/libfreetype.la -lz /usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libexpat.la -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib -L/usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib' |
| 06:25.21 | Macer | probably finds all that because i symlinked the dir |
| 06:25.27 | Macer | no big deal :) |
| 06:25.40 | slonopotamus | no. because you built them with screwed expat |
| 06:25.47 | Macer | well. yeah that too |
| 06:25.48 | Macer | heh |
| 06:25.58 | Macer | but it should be a big problem |
| 06:26.04 | Macer | as long as i keep the symlink :) |
| 06:26.34 | slonopotamus | ah, ln -s /usr/arm-gentoo-linux-gnueabi/lib /usr/lib ? |
| 06:26.34 | divide_by_zero | it seems I always lose my rtcomm configuration, it keeps bringing up the 'make call" when I pop out the camera. is this a known issue? (it's the beta... :/ ) |
| 06:26.41 | Macer | yes |
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| 06:26.59 | slonopotamus | i should reupload fixed stage i think |
| 06:27.26 | slonopotamus | you can edit those la files manually |
| 06:29.16 | Macer | gentoo-embedded doesn't fall under gentoo's bug reporting does it? |
| 06:29.22 | Macer | it's "unsupported" ? |
| 06:30.48 | slonopotamus | Macer, gentoo-embedded is just a subproject, like gentoo-java, for ex. use official bugzilla but before making sure bug isn't n8x0-specific. just specify 'arm' as arch. |
| 06:31.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: IKEA catalogue.. dear god |
| 06:31.29 | qwerty12_N810 | It was for testing! |
| 06:31.32 | Stskeeps | riight. |
| 06:32.03 | qwerty12_N810 | You won't believe how well seeded those things are... |
| 06:32.06 | Stskeeps | you should have done the typical nerd thing and post screenshots accidentially of torrenting midget porn or something |
| 06:32.14 | Stskeeps | yeah, those people scare me |
| 06:32.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 06:32.34 | qwerty12_N810 | IKEA catalogue not geek enough? =) |
| 06:32.41 | Stskeeps | for girls i guess ;) |
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| 06:33.38 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh |
| 06:33.54 | divide_by_zero | IKEA catalog = girl pr0n |
| 06:34.43 | divide_by_zero | allright, managed to hear myself talking with gstreamed... one step closer to my NIT vocoder!! |
| 06:34.46 | divide_by_zero | good night |
| 06:34.49 | Macer | hahahahah |
| 06:36.06 | qwerty12_N810 | It was either that or the weird torrents found at legaltorrents.com... |
| 06:36.30 | Stskeeps | "richard stallman closeups"? ;) |
| 06:36.44 | qwerty12_N810 | legaltorrents - could almost be an oxymoron |
| 06:37.30 | qwerty12_N810 | It's all about the BSD Daemon! |
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| 06:46.53 | slonopotamus_ | Macer, btw. of course it works! don't you think we were lying to everyone here about gentoo on NITs? |
| 06:47.25 | Stskeeps | you're not lying? :o |
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| 06:50.57 | Macer | lol |
| 06:51.11 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, insaaaaane! :D |
| 06:52.16 | Macer | i'll pull out another SD and install mer on it for side by side screen shots |
| 06:52.18 | Macer | :) |
| 06:53.10 | Macer | i did think that X would take a week though. it really didn't take that long at all |
| 06:53.17 | Macer | (considering) |
| 06:53.45 | Macer | honestly i think i was a lot more happy when Luke-Jr put his keymap on the repo :) |
| 06:53.55 | Macer | console ftw |
| 06:54.09 | Macer | slonopotamus_: anybody ever consider making an ncurses based console kb for n800s? :) |
| 06:54.13 | Macer | hehe |
| 06:55.05 | Macer | have a little qwerty on the bottom with letters/numbers and have it semi-split-screen so you can type in the console with the dpad and middle button |
| 06:55.09 | slonopotamus_ | Macer, ncurses vkb? no |
| 06:55.12 | Macer | i mean it would take a year to do anything |
| 06:55.23 | Macer | but at least you can use it without the n810s qwerty heh |
| 06:59.06 | slonopotamus_ | Macer, i fixed wifi docs based on what we talked yesterday: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/wireless#wifi |
| 06:59.56 | Macer | ah |
| 07:00.02 | Macer | you might want to make a "Full Setup" page |
| 07:00.08 | Macer | in case people want to install everything ;) |
| 07:00.27 | Macer | becuase if you go step by step through the various hardware you wind up adding use flags and having to rebuild the n8x0 stuff |
| 07:00.29 | slonopotamus_ | just open several pages :P |
| 07:01.14 | Macer | hehe |
| 07:01.14 | slonopotamus_ | n8x0-env is just empty package whose main purpose is pulling proper deps |
| 07:04.02 | Macer | yeah but having a one shot install that you can just leave sitting there and go on vacation for a week and come back when it's done would be cool :) |
| 07:04.58 | Macer | like. once i get the sound and printing working |
| 07:05.02 | Macer | i'm not going to touch it for years haha |
| 07:05.15 | Macer | and the bt keyboard but i'm sure that's not too hard |
| 07:05.52 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: sound works oob on ordinary kernel for you? :P |
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| 07:09.49 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:14.24 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
| 07:14.36 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, morm |
| 07:14.41 | slonopotamus | s/rm/rn/ |
| 07:15.43 | Macer | hm. let me watch the half blood prince |
| 07:15.48 | Macer | i don't even like harry potter movies |
| 07:16.56 | Macer | the author of harry potter said the leader of harry's school was supposed to be homosexual :) some guy in australia had a giant tattoo of him on his back that he got for his children :) wow that must have sucked |
| 07:19.00 | Jaffa | Macer: Why would it suck? |
| 07:19.06 | liri | just thinking out loud here... was the option of an app-store for the n810 ever considered? |
| 07:19.19 | Macer | well. :) most straight men dont get giant rainbows across their back |
| 07:19.24 | Stskeeps | liri: probably several times |
| 07:19.26 | Jaffa | Macer: Is the headmaster (name is Dumbledore) now not suitable for children if the author's intent was for him to be gay? |
| 07:19.37 | slonopotamus | liri, why? |
| 07:19.42 | Macer | Jaffa: didn't say that |
| 07:19.42 | Stskeeps | liri: the inherit problem is piracy as linux is too open to avoid it :) |
| 07:19.53 | Macer | just thought it must have sucked for the guy to have a giant gay man across his back :) |
| 07:20.18 | Jaffa | Macer: that statement could be misread if we didn't know we were talking about tattoos ;-) |
| 07:21.27 | liri | well I think that there is certainly a place for such store |
| 07:21.37 | Macer | Jaffa: haha |
| 07:21.42 | Macer | yeah. it was a tattoo |
| 07:21.43 | liri | one example is the PIM app |
| 07:22.21 | liri | the forum(s) are continually swamped with requests for such apps, some with ms exchange sync, some with google sync, etc... |
| 07:22.31 | liri | the current options do not satisfy most of us |
| 07:22.35 | slonopotamus | liri, ppl who deliberately chose linux, are very unlikely to but any software. |
| 07:22.47 | liri | I'd be happy to pay a good app |
| 07:22.51 | slonopotamus | s/but/buy/ |
| 07:22.51 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mobile devices is a different gameplay though |
| 07:22.59 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, no |
| 07:23.10 | liri | slonopotamus: I don't agree. |
| 07:23.11 | Jaffa | liri: Someone *had* a paid PIM app. They don't sell it anymore (AFAIK) |
| 07:23.24 | Stskeeps | even though i do enjoy open source, i will gladly pay for a good app |
| 07:23.25 | liri | slonopotamus: I think you're missing the concept of "free" :) |
| 07:23.40 | liri | Stskeeps: ofcourse we will |
| 07:23.43 | Jaffa | liri: And being *willing* to pay, and having the developers available to develop it so that you *can* pay aren't the same. |
| 07:23.56 | Stskeeps | especially since i know very well that it costs to be a developer |
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| 07:24.06 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, don't tell be about ringtones and j2me apps, pls :) |
| 07:24.06 | liri | Stskeeps: open source has nothing to do with money |
| 07:24.07 | Jaffa | liri: It's worth bearing in mind that Maemo 5 will have some kind of calendar app OOTB (AFAWCT) |
| 07:24.13 | slonopotamus | aaargh |
| 07:24.17 | slonopotamus | s/be/me/ |
| 07:24.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i said good apps.. |
| 07:24.41 | Stskeeps | liri: i know that - people keep on forgetting nothing stops people from selling open source :P |
| 07:24.53 | liri | Stskeeps: yeah |
| 07:25.02 | Jaffa | liri: This is similar to a recent discussion on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30799 |
| 07:25.03 | Stskeeps | except it's not really a sustainable business model |
| 07:25.22 | liri | Stskeeps: sure it is |
| 07:26.17 | Jaffa | liri: If the app's open source and it's trivial to rebuild it, someone will and offer it for free |
| 07:26.27 | Jaffa | The only way that works is if there's a suitably large barrier to entry (such as the App Store fee for iPhone, or complicated builds of Linux stuff on Windows) |
| 07:26.30 | Stskeeps | the question is however if people will pay gladly to support upstream development |
| 07:28.31 | liri | well, I do believe so |
| 07:29.00 | liri | I really don't have the time to get into it right now. I just wanted to know if this idea was ever considered |
| 07:29.30 | Stskeeps | yes, obviously :) |
| 07:29.51 | pupnik | translator for maemo. with OCR from webcam. |
| 07:30.01 | pupnik | who want build |
| 07:30.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 07:30.11 | Stskeeps | Myrtti: ping |
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| 07:34.03 | slonopotamus | can someone calculate crc32 for me, plz? |
| 07:34.24 | slonopotamus | data: 'ask:mmc1' (without quotes) |
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| 07:35.21 | slonopotamus | oh, no, 'ask:mmc1\0' |
| 07:37.32 | pupnik | CRC-320x7C36E41F |
| 07:37.36 | pupnik | CRC-32 0x7C36E41F |
| 07:38.26 | pupnik | http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/crc-calculation.html?crc=ask%3Ammc1\0&method=ascii On-line CRC calculation and free library |
| 07:38.40 | pupnik | i couldn't find it for linux. bsd 'sum' can do it iirc |
| 07:39.01 | Myrtti | Stskeeps: pong |
| 07:39.11 | slonopotamus | \0 is one symbol... |
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| 07:40.02 | slonopotamus | wait |
| 07:41.27 | slonopotamus | http://www.lammertbies.nl/comm/info/crc-calculation.html?crc=ask%3Ammc1&method=ascii matches what i get. but libcal gets 0xde2e7ade somehow :( |
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| 07:44.32 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Might libcal be working with a reversed string? |
| 07:44.44 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Of course, you can't put the NUL in in a URL... |
| 07:45.34 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, that would be insane |
| 07:45.57 | Jaffa | andrew@serenity:~$ for i in '' '-r' '-s'; do echo -e 'ask:mmc1\0' | sum $i; done |
| 07:45.57 | Jaffa | 14767 1 |
| 07:45.57 | Jaffa | 753 1 |
| 07:46.31 | Jaffa | '-r' and '-s' choose between BSD or SysV implementations |
| 07:49.42 | slonopotamus | no, not reverse |
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| 07:50.02 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Ah, hang on. For 'ask:mmc1<NUL>', cfv gives ac342ff5 |
| 07:50.03 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: CRC of whole block maybe? :P |
| 07:50.33 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, there are separate data_crc and hdr_crc |
| 07:51.08 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, forget that, no \0. length is 8, no null terminator |
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| 07:51.45 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: OK, for just 'ask:mmc1', cfv gives 67692c19 as the CRC-32 |
| 07:52.44 | slonopotamus | ... that online tool gave 0xbb0ca5b7, what matches to what i get here :/ |
| 07:53.42 | slonopotamus | crap |
| 07:54.11 | slonopotamus | i hope they didn't xor it with smth magical :) |
| 07:54.23 | Stskeeps | big endian or little endian? |
| 07:54.39 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, unsigned |
| 07:55.00 | slonopotamus | hm |
| 07:55.17 | slonopotamus | proper crc32 doesn't depend on endianness |
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| 08:06.25 | zakkmm | stskeeps: waiting on who, and do we know and its just a matter of waiting or? |
| 08:07.02 | Stskeeps | it's pretty much inside the nokia black box so we only know when quim/etc announces anything or tells us |
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| 08:07.35 | zakkmm | quim works for nokia? |
| 08:07.39 | Stskeeps | qgil |
| 08:07.42 | timeless_mbp | uh huh |
| 08:07.43 | Stskeeps | yeah, obviously :) |
| 08:07.45 | timeless_mbp | is this ashock? |
| 08:07.58 | zakkmm | yess. |
| 08:08.07 | Stskeeps | there's even several nokia employees in here and subcontractors |
| 08:08.11 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/profile/view/qgil/ |
| 08:08.26 | timeless_mbp | he doesn't do a very good job of hiding his employer (imo) |
| 08:08.46 | zakkmm | hah |
| 08:09.27 | zakkmm | sorry guys. typing from tablet in easy mer. my mac partiton slowly broke so am reinstalling |
| 08:09.42 | timeless_mbp | "easy mer"? |
| 08:10.01 | zakkmm | problem? |
| 08:10.18 | timeless_mbp | is that different from normal mer? |
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| 08:10.29 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: chroot approach from within Maemo |
| 08:10.34 | zakkmm | runs from chroot in maemo. by qole |
| 08:10.40 | timeless_mbp | interesting |
| 08:10.51 | zakkmm | gives me thumb keyboard ;p |
| 08:11.05 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i need to replace 'Stable' with 'Unstable'? |
| 08:11.08 | Stskeeps | no, Devel |
| 08:11.17 | Stskeeps | Stable with Devel, that is |
| 08:11.21 | Macer | uh oh |
| 08:11.42 | zakkmm | mer is awesome with xcompmgr -cC :P |
| 08:12.04 | slonopotamus | If the stream argument is NULL, fflush() flushes all open output streams. |
| 08:12.04 | slonopotamus | omg |
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| 08:12.53 | Macer | it is building gtk |
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| 08:12.55 | zakkmm | hey Macer |
| 08:12.55 | Macer | hi |
| 08:13.13 | zakkmm | did it finish compiling? |
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| 08:13.34 | Macer | no |
| 08:13.39 | Macer | it just started |
| 08:13.52 | Macer | heh |
| 08:14.02 | Macer | goes to work |
| 08:14.12 | Macer | should be done in a few hrs |
| 08:14.22 | zakkmm | i dont get why you guys didnt do binhost. all tabletts are the same |
| 08:14.39 | Macer | down to 11G |
| 08:15.06 | zakkmm | sounds like u need a bigger one ;p |
| 08:15.38 | Macer | from 14 |
| 08:16.50 | slonopotamus | Macer, gtk... for matchbox stuff? |
| 08:17.04 | Macer | yes |
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| 08:17.19 | Macer | it is a matchbox dep |
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| 08:18.50 | Macer | im still in the console |
| 08:19.00 | Macer | might try fennec later |
| 08:19.11 | Macer | instead of an all out browser |
| 08:21.07 | zakkmm | macer; wouldntt that be slow? |
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| 08:22.20 | timeless_mbp | someone could tell qgil that Maemo Software doesn't exist anymore ;-) |
| 08:22.40 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 08:22.49 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: Mer is refusing to use my network |
| 08:23.02 | timeless_mbp | kicks network manager |
| 08:25.14 | Macer | awwww, she is jealous because the ginger boy found another girl |
| 08:25.21 | Macer | haha |
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| 08:25.31 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: x86? |
| 08:25.33 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 08:25.38 | Macer | timeless_mbp: adhoc? |
| 08:25.44 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: virtualbox gets a bit weird at times yeah |
| 08:25.44 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 08:25.50 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: verify your bridging is correct |
| 08:26.00 | Stskeeps | mine is bridged to wifi for example |
| 08:26.09 | timeless_mbp | i have 2 configured for Mer |
| 08:26.17 | timeless_mbp | bridging to WiFi is only configured for w7 |
| 08:26.32 | linuxeventually | is talk.maemo.org down? |
| 08:26.34 | timeless_mbp | one is NAT and one is, i can't remember |
| 08:26.47 | Macer | ok |
| 08:26.50 | X-Fade | linuxeventually: for me it is. |
| 08:26.56 | Macer | im not much of a potter fan |
| 08:27.12 | Macer | bjt this last movie is pretty funny |
| 08:27.45 | linuxeventually | yeah I checked downforeveryoneorjustme. hopefully they are upgrading the servers or something useful |
| 08:28.30 | qwerty12_N810 | Wouldn't bet on it... :\ it has been down quite a few times recently |
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| 08:29.28 | Macer | heh |
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| 08:58.48 | Macer | hm |
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| 08:59.31 | linuxeventually | back up |
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| 08:59.49 | linuxeventually | and yeah pages were loading very slowly right before not at all |
| 09:00.19 | linuxeventually | "maemo effect"? (; |
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| 09:02.21 | zakkmm | anyone get one of those mugen batteries? |
| 09:02.44 | Macer | mugen? |
| 09:02.59 | zakkmm | super long battery life batteries |
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| 09:03.12 | Macer | is it like a 50000mah n810 battery? |
| 09:03.28 | aquatix | yep, comes with a backpack |
| 09:03.34 | Macer | haha |
| 09:03.44 | janneke | apt-get install maemo-sdk wants to install an xserver in my i386 chroot!? |
| 09:03.55 | Macer | lol |
| 09:03.58 | Stskeeps | surewhynot |
| 09:03.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:04.11 | Macer | for zephyr? |
| 09:04.11 | janneke | how do i install a working build environment without xserver? |
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| 09:07.23 | Macer | USE="-X" |
| 09:07.35 | Macer | oh.... wait.... nm |
| 09:07.56 | zakkmm | lol |
| 09:11.44 | janneke | ughr, this works in some sort of chroot, why not a simple cross compiler setup? |
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| 09:13.50 | Macer | because nokia is evil |
| 09:15.00 | zakkmm | maemo is so going to lose os war on tablet. even with fremantle. |
| 09:15.39 | Stskeeps | janneke: because build processes often make binaries to help them building |
| 09:15.40 | Stskeeps | very simple |
| 09:16.41 | janneke | Stskeeps: so, compile them with the native CC_FOR_BUILD? |
| 09:16.48 | janneke | what a mess |
| 09:17.27 | janneke | i still don't see why i need an xserver in my lenny.i386 chroot, which setups another chroot ;-) |
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| 09:18.23 | Stskeeps | janneke: yeah.. well, that's what i said until i started trying to get standard debian packages rolling on a cross-compilation environment |
| 09:18.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:22.02 | inz | simple and cross compiler setup don't really fit in the same sentence |
| 09:22.10 | janneke | hmm, so everyone and their aunt is creating monstrous solutions *or* rolls their own, because debian has problems cross compiling their packages? |
| 09:23.05 | janneke | inz: here's our simple cross compiler solution: http://lilypond.org/gub |
| 09:23.25 | janneke | but it would be nice to use debian packages... |
| 09:24.15 | lcuk | zakkmm, what war |
| 09:24.16 | Stskeeps | janneke: sb2 is saner in some respects |
| 09:24.27 | lcuk | and for battle, it helps if you have the right munitions |
| 09:24.48 | lcuk | we have people like stskeeps aroundwho is a lvl 80 mage |
| 09:26.45 | zakkmm | os war on tablet. ;p |
| 09:26.59 | Stskeeps | no such thing |
| 09:27.45 | lcuk | zakkmm, not really |
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| 09:28.59 | Macer | like Hiitler trying to convince Germans that they are winning the war |
| 09:29.17 | wazd | heya all |
| 09:29.44 | lcuk | facepalms |
| 09:29.46 | lcuk | hiya wazd |
| 09:29.51 | zakkmm | hey wazd |
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| 09:31.24 | lcuk | throws a 2d tablet like a frisbee @ zakkmm and lops his head off |
| 09:31.26 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ping |
| 09:32.17 | timeless_mbp | inz++ |
| 09:32.22 | janneke | Stskeeps: i would guess that if sb2 would be unsaner in *every* aspect, it would not have been considered :-P |
| 09:32.51 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 09:32.57 | timeless_mbp | janneke: your logic doesn't work |
| 09:33.13 | timeless_mbp | if sb2 is cheaper than paying someone to maintain sb1 |
| 09:33.28 | timeless_mbp | and if sb2 is insane in every aspect, sb2 could still be picked |
| 09:33.55 | timeless_mbp | cost isn't really an aspect of sanity for a package |
| 09:34.00 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 09:34.09 | janneke | is really ignorant here-- was thinking of simple cross build packages and setup instead of sb* ;-) |
| 09:34.31 | timeless_mbp | looks for the 12 step program guide |
| 09:34.45 | timeless_mbp | > Step 1, admitting the problem exists |
| 09:34.50 | timeless_mbp | you're off to a good start :) |
| 09:35.53 | timeless_mbp | pokes andre__ |
| 09:37.24 | Macer | wow |
| 09:37.26 | Macer | what a shitty ending |
| 09:37.48 | Macer | at least it's not like watching a children's cartoon anymore |
| 09:38.14 | timeless_mbp | >? |
| 09:40.51 | Macer | the harry potter movie |
| 09:40.57 | Macer | that was actually not a bad movie :) |
| 09:40.59 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 09:41.04 | Macer | and i hate harry potter movies |
| 09:41.08 | Macer | but i didn't have anything else to watch |
| 09:41.18 | timeless_mbp | has 3 LotR movies to watch |
| 09:41.25 | timeless_mbp | (plus an entire dvd library) |
| 09:41.31 | timeless_mbp | (mostly unopened) |
| 09:41.43 | Macer | haha |
| 09:41.51 | Macer | i really wasn't too into lotr either |
| 09:42.04 | timeless_mbp | well, isn't that what dvds are for? to sit on shelves looking pretty? |
| 09:42.10 | timeless_mbp | we'll see, my sister is visiting in 2 days |
| 09:42.22 | Macer | no |
| 09:42.25 | Macer | that's what blu rays are for |
| 09:42.31 | Macer | dvds are to prove you just couldn't move on :) |
| 09:42.32 | Macer | haha |
| 09:42.37 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 09:42.39 | Macer | like VHS tapes (or betamax) |
| 09:42.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure i have a single blueray player |
| 09:43.07 | Macer | blu ray shows class ;) |
| 09:43.16 | Macer | along with plasma televisions all over your walls |
| 09:43.35 | Macer | like a 52" that just goes through your photo album in the dining room |
| 09:43.40 | Macer | haha.. bbl |
| 09:47.20 | suihkulokki | radiators.. I don't need no steenkin radiators... I have plasma tv's to keep my apartment warm! |
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| 09:54.22 | zakkmm | would it be a bad idea to always be in otg mode? |
| 09:55.35 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, pong |
| 09:55.37 | Stskeeps | polling? |
| 09:56.02 | timeless_mbp | andre__: i don't suppose i could get you to verify a bug? :) |
| 09:56.21 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 09:56.24 | timeless_mbp | needs to go shopping |
| 09:56.27 | andre__ | where, what? |
| 09:57.05 | lcuk | i put bets on food shopping at the local supermarket |
| 09:57.10 | timeless_mbp | it might be impractical, you might not have the necessary prereq, or interest, in which case, don't worry about it |
| 09:57.19 | timeless_mbp | sadly, i don't have the prereqs either |
| 10:01.48 | Jaffa | zakkmm: OTG mode is the default, so "no". |
| 10:02.02 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:03.06 | zakkmm | oh hah. i mean the one where usb keyboards work just bought one of those bendable ones off ebay. |
| 10:03.21 | Jaffa | zakkmm: You mean "host" mode? |
| 10:03.33 | zakkmm | probably |
| 10:03.39 | Jaffa | It probably keeps the hardware chip active more than it needs to be, so it might not be wise. |
| 10:03.44 | Jaffa | is just guessing tho' |
| 10:04.10 | zakkmm | wish i bought a n810. |
| 10:04.48 | lcuk | otg mode is default isnt it |
| 10:05.01 | lcuk | and host mode is for regular usb components |
| 10:05.29 | lcuk | and if people thought it was fully hostable usb they would try to run toasters and tvs and humping dogs off it |
| 10:05.33 | zakkmm | lcuk: Ah. can i always be in host? |
| 10:05.55 | lcuk | i dunno, but if you have a rollup keyboard, isnt it otg compatible? |
| 10:06.06 | zakkmm | is it? |
| 10:06.14 | lcuk | i was under the impression most "otg" components were ummm otg marked |
| 10:06.15 | lcuk | try it |
| 10:06.19 | zakkmm | would ebay linking help? |
| 10:06.33 | lcuk | not really |
| 10:06.37 | zakkmm | i didnt recieve yet 10-14 days hah |
| 10:06.48 | zakkmm | from hongkong to canada |
| 10:06.59 | lcuk | does it come iwht the correct mini micro |
| 10:07.15 | Jaffa | zakkmm: Switching between them is pretty trivial. There are apps and even statusbar applets if you're doing it correctly. If it's got the correct USB OTG plug, the N8x0 will auto-switch |
| 10:07.32 | zakkmm | no. i got a f to f adapter tho from months bak. |
| 10:08.08 | zakkmm | i doubt it for that price |
| 10:08.37 | lcuk | the plug doesnt have to be gold plated, its just a wiring up difference |
| 10:09.03 | zakkmm | but its not a tablet accessory. |
| 10:09.26 | zakkmm | its for pc. |
| 10:23.03 | lcuk | only experience with osb hostmode i had was with my big keyboard |
| 10:23.26 | lcuk | and it worked perfectly and sat below the 100ma |
| 10:23.47 | lcuk | but when i chorded multitple keys, the powerdrain took it over 100ma (i think) and it crashed |
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| 10:24.18 | lcuk | i said bollocks to it and got an apple bt mini |
| 10:25.08 | zakkmm | hah lcuk wish i could afford that. |
| 10:27.31 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:27.44 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: crashed how? |
| 10:33.09 | lcuk | hard |
| 10:33.14 | lcuk | wouldnt reboot properly |
| 10:33.20 | lcuk | until i popped battery |
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| 10:35.18 | lcuk | nov2008: |
| 10:35.19 | lcuk | lcukive got a usb keyboard thats rated at 100ma, it works if i press one key at a time, if i do chording or make it display all the LEDs it crashes and wont work anymore until a full total battery popping reboot |
| 10:35.36 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 10:35.57 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 10:36.10 | timeless_mbp | wonders if there's something the hardware can do to avoid that |
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| 10:36.39 | lcuk | related to powerdraw and possibly the usb chip itself |
| 10:38.23 | javispedro | oh, |
| 10:38.28 | javispedro | my first palm t|x broke doing that |
| 10:38.30 | javispedro | up to the point |
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| 10:38.41 | javispedro | that the next time I tried to connect it to usb hub (as gadget!) |
| 10:38.48 | javispedro | it _POWERED_ the other devices on the hub. |
| 10:38.58 | lcuk | heh i did that for about half an hour, it was fun, but impractical lol |
| 10:39.47 | javispedro | it was fun to see it powering the usb scanner while all I was trying is to get it to charge. |
| 10:40.00 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 10:40.03 | timeless_mbp | hello finnish world |
| 10:40.11 | timeless_mbp | anyone know what a "fitted sheet" would be called? |
| 10:40.13 | wazd | Guys, small survey :) |
| 10:40.23 | wazd | http://i051.radikal.ru/0908/21/197d1a16ea83.png <- Is it a good idea? :) |
| 10:40.43 | timeless_mbp | wazd: i don't like "Detailed" |
| 10:41.14 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't fit the Fremantle style (which is not a bad thing) |
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| 10:41.31 | timeless_mbp | and if your target is en-US, "Monday, 16" is wrong |
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| 10:41.39 | timeless_mbp | Scatered isn't a word |
| 10:41.59 | wazd | timeless_mbp: I mean overall look of pannable cards? :) |
| 10:42.28 | timeless_mbp | so... i think mixing tabs and panning for the same orientation is disastrous |
| 10:42.29 | wazd | timeless_mbp: And what "detailed" do you mean? |
| 10:42.37 | timeless_mbp | the tab after Forecast |
| 10:42.51 | wazd | timeless_mbp: oh, tabs are totally fictional |
| 10:43.01 | timeless_mbp | i review what is ee |
| 10:43.07 | timeless_mbp | s/s e/ se/ |
| 10:43.32 | timeless_mbp | but in short, "i like it" |
| 10:43.41 | wazd | and when you tap the day - you see this: http://i012.radikal.ru/0908/dc/c4a2e1af3d35.png |
| 10:43.42 | timeless_mbp | which might sound funny considering my review, but :) |
| 10:44.01 | timeless_mbp | no. |
| 10:44.06 | timeless_mbp | ETOOSMALL PRINT |
| 10:44.41 | timeless_mbp | the icons don't need to be anywhere near that large nor centered above columns |
| 10:44.51 | wazd | timeless_mbp: yep, but there'are some problems in fitting it to portrait pop-up |
| 10:45.16 | wazd | timeless_mbp: size of the icons doesn't matter much |
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| 10:45.21 | timeless_mbp | also, for some reason i wouldn't burry sunrise/sunset at the bottom |
| 10:45.29 | timeless_mbp | (please don't ask me why) |
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| 10:55.03 | lardman | morning chaps |
| 10:55.44 | wazd | lardman: heya |
| 10:56.06 | lcuk | hi lardman |
| 10:56.20 | lcuk | wazd, does omweather hold information about previous days |
| 10:56.26 | lcuk | (that looks really good btw |
| 10:57.01 | wazd | lcuk: well, that's easy to add |
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| 10:57.39 | lcuk | well im just thinking, it adds a bit of context and a bit more extension to the panning :) |
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| 11:12.06 | guysoft42 | is there a working mythtv port for maemo? |
| 11:15.36 | Jaffa | wazd: I agree with timelyx, the test on the day popup is far too small. Try and get rid of the labels and use different font sizes, icons & context? |
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| 11:21.54 | guysoft42 | .. should i take that as a 'no'? |
| 11:22.51 | wazd | guysoft42: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+mythTV&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:ru:official&client=firefox |
| 11:24.01 | wazd | Jaffa: I have an idea how to make it larger |
| 11:30.04 | Macer | hm |
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| 11:30.30 | Macer | can you get an adapter to just plug in a normal usb kb? |
| 11:30.52 | Macer | oh wait |
| 11:31.16 | Macer | n810 has that funky proprietary usb cable doesnt it? |
| 11:31.32 | Macer | n810 has that funky proprietary usb cable doesnt it?nm |
| 11:31.36 | Macer | oops |
| 11:31.38 | Macer | wtf |
| 11:31.41 | Macer | damn g1 |
| 11:32.27 | wazd | Macer: it has micro USB I guess |
| 11:32.42 | wazd | Macer: pretty standard |
| 11:35.35 | guysoft42 | wazd, i googled it, and got the garage project.. but my question was, is there 'a working' port? |
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| 11:54.21 | zakkm | hey |
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| 12:03.28 | lcuk2 | hiya zak |
| 12:03.34 | lcuk2 | or maybe not |
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| 12:08.46 | lcuk2 | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:08.56 | lcuk2 | virgin media broked internet |
| 12:09.34 | lcuk2 | instead of dns failure, im met with http://advancedsearch.virginmedia.com/subscribers/assist?url=www.sdfhjsdfhgsdfjsdgjsfh.com |
| 12:09.42 | Stskeeps | hah :P |
| 12:09.49 | qwerty12_N810 | could never be with an ISP that has a three strikes policy. |
| 12:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 12:11.12 | wazd | guysoft42: Well, they have v0.4 now, I suppose it should work |
| 12:11.14 | GeneralAntilles | I recall when VeriSign tried that here. |
| 12:11.38 | guysoft42 | wazd, its not in the repo.. |
| 12:11.52 | lcuk2 | qwerty12_N810, i'd like to give 3 strikes to the nincompoop that did that. |
| 12:12.24 | lcuk2 | it breaks the web and i dont care that its opt out, it simply should not occur - if something cannot be found it should not be found |
| 12:12.34 | lcuk2 | vents |
| 12:12.49 | X-Fade | opendns? |
| 12:14.50 | lcuk2 | X-Fade, yeah i know its there, but it then needs configuring on every machine/router thats done there |
| 12:14.55 | lcuk2 | the problem is pervasive |
| 12:15.32 | GeneralAntilles | Fix it at your network level, let other people worry about theirs. |
| 12:15.39 | GeneralAntilles | They'll get smacked down soon enough. |
| 12:16.17 | lcuk2 | yeah GeneralAntilles i have |
| 12:16.43 | lcuk2 | but when i get service from an isp, dns is one of those things that comes with it |
| 12:16.51 | lcuk2 | its distriibuted for a reason ;) |
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| 12:18.09 | wazd | How you guys imagine a sunrise/sunset icon? |
| 12:18.20 | wazd | sun with arrow? :D |
| 12:20.59 | lcuk2 | wazd, there is no difference |
| 12:21.17 | lcuk2 | but i would like to see a harmonic humped arc over the course of the day |
| 12:21.21 | lcuk2 | indicating height of sun |
| 12:21.31 | lcuk2 | and another grey one in right place showin moon |
| 12:21.34 | lcuk2 | but thats just me :$ |
| 12:21.43 | lcuk2 | just pale in the background |
| 12:22.20 | lcuk2 | http://www.aloka-europe.com/uploaded/Image/lrg_tech_broadband_graph1.1e860b66.jpg |
| 12:22.28 | lcuk2 | not right, but similar to how im thinking |
| 12:22.52 | lcuk2 | sunrise at the start of it, sunset at the end |
| 12:25.01 | lcuk2 | maybe wazd, instead - you show a yellow bar in the area between sunrise/sunset labels and stars around the very left/right outide this region |
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| 12:25.57 | wazd | lcuk2: I've already reworked pop-up :) |
| 12:26.11 | lcuk2 | ****** Sunrise 6am :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:(happy suns):D:D:D:D:D:D:D sunset 21 ******** |
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| 12:32.36 | lcuk2 | wazd you git :P |
| 12:32.48 | lcuk2 | (you are taking blame for my cockup) |
| 12:32.56 | lcuk2 | i just called one of my colleagues wazd |
| 12:33.16 | lardman | sits back and watches his creation devour images of numbers and turn them into actual numbers |
| 12:33.46 | lcuk2 | does it make "om nom nom" noises |
| 12:33.56 | lardman | more of a buzz |
| 12:33.58 | lardman | :) |
| 12:34.23 | lcuk2 | like the noise an old style movie projector makes :D |
| 12:34.40 | lardman | yeah, I think that's my speakers though |
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| 12:34.53 | lcuk2 | lol |
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| 12:36.50 | lardman | well that was an interesting bit of programming, I do hope that after that effort the end goal is attainable |
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| 12:39.16 | wazd | How about that: http://s50.radikal.ru/i129/0908/0b/43dfed04268e.png |
| 12:40.19 | lardman | I think I'd prefer lower humidity |
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| 12:41.23 | lcuk2 | wazd, slight faded bluesky around sunrise and dark with stars around sunset to confirm? |
| 12:41.34 | lcuk2 | looks good tho |
| 12:41.51 | lcuk2 | even tho i could show you pics of sunrise and sunset and you wouldnt know which was which |
| 12:42.19 | lardman | perhaps an arrow above the sun showing direction of movement |
| 12:42.30 | lcuk2 | wazd said that up there ^ |
| 12:42.44 | lcuk2 | ALIEN-SPACESHIPS! |
| 12:43.02 | lardman | ah sorry |
| 12:44.16 | lcuk2 | it might work tho |
| 12:44.34 | lardman | or have a red one for the sunset? |
| 12:44.35 | lcuk2 | and since you are 2nd person to say it, i think that might be a reasonable thing to do |
| 12:44.39 | lardman | someone probably mentioned that too |
| 12:44.40 | lcuk2 | or at least try |
| 12:45.01 | lardman | use a sprite |
| 12:45.12 | lardman | animated icon |
| 12:46.31 | lcuk2 | sprites are part of earth atmosphere |
| 12:46.37 | lcuk2 | i didnt think the sun had them |
| 12:46.57 | lardman | yeah sorry, it's a Psion term |
| 12:47.08 | lcuk2 | yeah i know what you meant |
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| 12:47.14 | lcuk2 | was in pedantic mode |
| 12:47.25 | lardman | :) no worries, I need a kick now and again |
| 12:47.59 | lcuk2 | i remember creating 8*8UDG sprites on zx spectrum |
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| 12:52.18 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 12:52.38 | slonopotamus | libopencal causes kernel panic when writes data :) |
| 12:53.27 | lcuk2 | cal as in calibration |
| 12:53.31 | lcuk2 | or calendar? |
| 12:53.41 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: not good |
| 12:53.41 | slonopotamus | calibration |
| 12:54.00 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, blame kernel coders |
| 12:54.39 | slonopotamus | i was doing write() with len != writesize |
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| 12:55.18 | slonopotamus | so, theoretically, simple 'echo 123 > /dev/mtd1' should also trigger it :) |
| 12:56.17 | slonopotamus | now trying with len == writesize... |
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| 12:57.17 | ShadowJK | Writing straight to mtd sounds crazy anyway ;-) |
| 12:58.41 | lcuk2 | anyone with g1 or anything hardware android, could oyu check what license google maps is released under |
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| 12:59.49 | Stskeeps | probably free but with no google service key |
| 13:00.26 | wazd | lcuk2: lardman: well, screw icons for now, is the font large enough? |
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| 13:01.03 | lcuk2 | wazd, havent got it on device so dont know |
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| 13:01.10 | lcuk2 | looks fine on big display |
| 13:01.14 | lardman | +1 |
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| 13:01.30 | lcuk2 | remind me later ill have a looksee |
| 13:02.23 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, they call it 'insane' here |
| 13:04.48 | slonopotamus | so. /me runs open-cal-tool -R ask:mmc1 |
| 13:06.33 | Jaffa | Hmm, *everyone* seems to have missed the point on "help get Maemo 5 into shape" thread - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30857 |
| 13:07.35 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well, idiots will be idiots no matter what. ;) |
| 13:07.48 | slonopotamus | maemo? into shape? kidding? |
| 13:08.06 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: helpful |
| 13:09.03 | Stskeeps | i really hope eldar's idea of maemo task switcher isn't the one maemo uses, - not because it's not cool, but because not many apps support hibernation.. |
| 13:09.15 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Even people which should know better turn it into yet-another-wishlist thread |
| 13:09.51 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: From reading the description in the Dev Guide, I'm imaginging Palm Pre/Compiz style thumbnails of the live running app |
| 13:09.54 | Stskeeps | i kinda like texrat's poll on what people would like to see - sw roadmap is a big thing that we'd like to see more of than Fremantle_Roadmap |
| 13:10.12 | qwerty12_N810 | That's easy: A device :p |
| 13:10.18 | VDVsx | Jaffa, is already a wishlist thread ;) |
| 13:13.27 | lardman | oops, I just replied to that thread |
| 13:13.29 | lardman | ah well |
| 13:15.22 | VDVsx | Jaffa, Stskeeps there's a maiku screenshot with some kinda of task switcher/thumbnails of the running app |
| 13:16.01 | VDVsx | perhaps not the final version :) |
| 13:16.11 | Jaffa | VDVsx: No, those are apparently bookmarks. |
| 13:16.32 | VDVsx | app bookmarks ? |
| 13:17.17 | qwerty12_N810 | Y'know, with the leaked pictures of the Rover, you'd have thought that one would've had the sense to turn the bloody thing on! |
| 13:17.34 | Stskeeps | it's actually a plastic shell |
| 13:17.50 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: details, details ;) |
| 13:18.12 | Jaffa | Only sold to those under 6 or with a 6 year-old's imagination for playing with an empty box. |
| 13:18.24 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I believe they were web page bookmarks. |
| 13:18.39 | VDVsx | Jaffa, let me check again :) |
| 13:19.01 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, which idea? |
| 13:19.35 | lcuk2 | and i like the principle of having apps hibernate to switch :D |
| 13:19.42 | lcuk2 | then you could hibernate, take battery out |
| 13:19.43 | lcuk2 | and restore |
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| 13:19.46 | Redouane75 | This is a program that will be of great interest to you http://live-player.com 2500 radio channels + 850 TV Channels Free! You can view the series as Dallas, Los Simpsons, Pokémon, Scrubs, etc ... But all the available manga !!!!!!!!!!. Try it! Guaranteed spyware free |
| 13:20.19 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk2: Hibernation in Diablo doesn't mean that, at least... |
| 13:20.30 | Macer | oh |
| 13:20.43 | Macer | didnt know that was a standard port |
| 13:20.50 | Macer | the one on the n810 |
| 13:21.04 | Macer | looked different than typical usb |
| 13:21.35 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: technically it's supposed to though |
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| 13:21.41 | Stskeeps | like |
| 13:21.44 | Jaffa | Macer: It's MicroUSB, rather than MiniUSB. It's a newer standard and the one which has been agreed by all the phone manufacturers in the EU to be the new charging standard |
| 13:21.44 | Stskeeps | on an app level |
| 13:21.50 | VDVsx | Jaffa, ah right, the qaiku thing is a desktop widget it seems :) |
| 13:22.11 | Jaffa | VDVsx: yeah |
| 13:22.28 | Macer | which means the US will find a way to not use it since it is euro |
| 13:22.30 | Macer | heh |
| 13:22.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Yeah, but I don't think a hibernated app in Diablo is gonna be waiting for you when the battery is taken out ;) |
| 13:22.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: it could technically though |
| 13:23.07 | Macer | it doesnt look very "micro" |
| 13:23.18 | Macer | it is almost the same size as the mini |
| 13:23.31 | ShadowJK | it's slimmer |
| 13:23.33 | Stskeeps | it's supposedly better with otg or something |
| 13:23.57 | ShadowJK | and compared to usb&miniusb, it has the wear&tear components on the cable's end and not in the device |
| 13:24.06 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, by "almost", you of course mean "approximately 50% smaller". |
| 13:24.12 | GeneralAntilles | It's also significantly more durable. |
| 13:24.19 | ShadowJK | Yeah |
| 13:24.26 | Meizirkki | http://picasaweb.google.fi/meizirkki/NokiaN810#5371294054438589378 the screen still works, believe it or not :P |
| 13:24.45 | Stskeeps | jesus christ |
| 13:25.00 | Stskeeps | no warranty? :P |
| 13:25.04 | jeremiah | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.06 | Meizirkki | nop |
| 13:25.12 | ShadowJK | Meizirkki, don't throw tablet to floor and beat it with a hammer? |
| 13:25.19 | Stskeeps | this reminds me of mandelbrot though |
| 13:25.40 | Stskeeps | Meizirkki: i'll keep you in mind next time we get anything donated :P |
| 13:25.47 | ShadowJK | Someone gave me a laptop with broken screen, it had impact damage from the centre, so lines like that radiated outwards :) |
| 13:25.47 | Meizirkki | :D |
| 13:25.50 | Meizirkki | is willing to get a touchbook.. |
| 13:25.56 | ShadowJK | Meizirkki, what happened to it? |
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| 13:26.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Meizirkki: I don't even want to know what caused the demise of that screen :p |
| 13:28.35 | Meizirkki | my bed is near the sealing and it felt from there |
| 13:29.25 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 13:30.18 | Meizirkki | (bunk bed or whatever it's called) |
| 13:30.48 | ShadowJK | I've dropped my N800 onto the floor from bed a few times, but it's just a regular bed |
| 13:31.57 | Meizirkki | i have dropped my n810 couple of times from that bed |
| 13:32.07 | Meizirkki | but now it got enough |
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| 13:32.16 | Meizirkki | luckily it's still working |
| 13:32.18 | Meizirkki | :) |
| 13:32.22 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N810 |
| 13:32.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Thank you, Stskeeps |
| 13:32.48 | Macer | blah |
| 13:33.01 | Macer | let me check on the build that never ends heh |
| 13:34.23 | Stskeeps | webkit? ;p |
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| 13:35.54 | ShadowJK | in that video from nokia's testing centre in the UK, they only dropped the phones from like hip-height :) |
| 13:36.21 | Macer | lol |
| 13:36.22 | Macer | no |
| 13:36.34 | Macer | gtk was buikding on the n810 |
| 13:36.40 | Macer | i left it at home |
| 13:36.43 | Stskeeps | ah, :P |
| 13:36.44 | Macer | it is all done |
| 13:37.03 | Macer | going to get home and try it out |
| 13:37.15 | Macer | hope matchbox is easy to set up |
| 13:37.25 | Macer | sounds like it should be |
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| 13:37.46 | Macer | then i'll install cups and abiword.. maybe try openoffice haha |
| 13:40.11 | Macer | i guess cups has an ebuild problem but i have to be home to fix it so i can install it |
| 13:40.14 | Macer | damnit heh |
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| 13:41.11 | Macer | shit. if i can get the sound going i'm going to be one extremely happy camper |
| 13:41.35 | Macer | because that would be the last piece of the puzzle |
| 13:41.57 | lcuk2 | yeah until the next one |
| 13:42.00 | Stskeeps | one word: unmute. |
| 13:42.05 | Macer | lol |
| 13:42.06 | Stskeeps | that's all the help you get ;) |
| 13:42.15 | Macer | wish it were that easy |
| 13:42.28 | Macer | im pretty sure it is a module thing |
| 13:42.31 | Stskeeps | trust me, that's the difficult part. |
| 13:42.34 | Macer | not sure yet |
| 13:42.36 | kfx | sounds like someone had a bad experience with alsamixer |
| 13:42.44 | lcuk2 | 200 piece jigsaw, and i just dropped a piece down between the floorboards |
| 13:42.46 | Macer | unmute is hard? |
| 13:42.49 | Macer | hehe |
| 13:43.00 | Stskeeps | kfx, no, - fact is we had DSP and everything loaded and we couldn't solve why no sound came out |
| 13:43.09 | Stskeeps | until we realized it was simply unmuted |
| 13:43.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:43.15 | Macer | Stskeeps: is there an available 2.21 module? |
| 13:43.16 | Stskeeps | err, muted |
| 13:43.18 | lcuk2 | giggles |
| 13:43.18 | Macer | er |
| 13:43.20 | Stskeeps | Macer: what? :P |
| 13:43.26 | Macer | 2.6.21? |
| 13:43.32 | Stskeeps | no help :) |
| 13:43.35 | Macer | lol |
| 13:43.40 | Macer | :-P |
| 13:43.51 | qwerty12_N810 | ...until you get him the beer :p |
| 13:44.03 | Macer | haha |
| 13:45.49 | Macer | trying to look at the kernel now |
| 13:45.54 | lcuk2 | it takes more than beer, he wouldnt help his girlfriend until they had consumated his marriage lol |
| 13:46.05 | lcuk2 | so macer, pucker up |
| 13:46.12 | Macer | hahaha |
| 13:46.23 | Macer | i can live without sound ;) |
| 13:46.39 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: my wife, back before we started dating, came with beer and muffins for me. |
| 13:46.42 | lcuk2 | haha |
| 13:47.12 | lcuk2 | i nearly parsed that sentence incorrectly |
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| 13:48.15 | lcuk2 | your missus is smart, she knows the way to a mans heart is with food |
| 13:48.18 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk2: Muffins? ;) |
| 13:49.00 | Macer | wtf |
| 13:49.11 | Macer | the module should be built already |
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| 13:49.25 | Macer | finds it and unmutes |
| 13:49.27 | Macer | haha |
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| 13:55.24 | qwerty12_N810 | stares at lardman (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=312686) |
| 13:55.38 | javispedro | was reading that too. |
| 13:56.27 | Stskeeps | talk.* taking an unexpected turn. |
| 13:57.09 | javispedro | is that what happens when you mix medication and alcohol? |
| 13:57.18 | javispedro | just curious ;P |
| 13:57.20 | lcuk2 | ficiton is fun |
| 13:57.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Next: lardman's pimping tales |
| 13:57.40 | lcuk2 | fiction even |
| 13:58.08 | javispedro | can't wait to see that "story" on the Onion News Network. |
| 13:58.11 | lcuk2 | used to read often on kuro5hin |
| 13:58.22 | lcuk2 | and theres always amusing postings on slashdot |
| 13:58.33 | X-Fade | If he turned that energy into proper documentation for something that is lacking, I would be even more amused ;) |
| 13:58.54 | lcuk2 | do we have fruit machines in maemo? |
| 13:59.10 | lcuk2 | or lottery machines |
| 13:59.19 | javispedro | "In order to set the default extension for the Hildon FileChooser dialog, you have to send $3000 to the orphaned Linux coders fund". |
| 14:00.15 | lcuk2 | o_O they lowered the donation level |
| 14:00.16 | lcuk2 | cool |
| 14:01.34 | dopper | javispedro: I just loaded up your DrNokSnes. It loads the rom fine but when I tapped the black areas on the outside I couldn't find a start button. Is there documentation for it somewhere? |
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| 14:02.00 | javispedro | dopper, sorry, the packaging is missing a config file assigning buttons to keyboard keys |
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| 14:03.09 | javispedro | renames the file on hist site to DrNokSnes.txt, thanks qwerty for noticing that. |
| 14:03.52 | lopz | hi |
| 14:03.55 | javispedro | dopper, put this http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/DrNokSnes.txt in ~/apps/ |
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| 14:06.04 | dopper | javispedro: thanks...this is exciting - it appears to run very well |
| 14:06.22 | jeremiah | .c |
| 14:06.28 | jeremiah | or rather /c |
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| 14:13.58 | dopper | javispedro: I just looked at the config file...is bluetooth keyboard required for n800 or should I be able to touch the screen like iNES? |
| 14:14.29 | javispedro | dopper, ah sorry, I only tried with n810 hw keyboard so far. |
| 14:14.36 | javispedro | touch screen is not implemented but plan to do it |
| 14:14.43 | dopper | ok thanks |
| 14:15.02 | dopper | I have 2 BT KB's to test with |
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| 14:15.21 | javispedro | the mapper file is using scancodes to test so I don't know if it'll work |
| 14:15.24 | javispedro | hope so. |
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| 14:20.39 | VDVsx | oh lardman congrats :) lol |
| 14:21.09 | javispedro | dopper, fwiw, this is the mapping on n810: http://depot.javispedro.com/drnoksnes/buttons.jpg |
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| 14:25.37 | dopper | javispedro: thanks. I've got an n800 & 770 so hopefully I can make it work |
| 14:26.27 | javispedro | thanks for trying :) |
| 14:26.28 | dopper | I don't have teh turbo mode or enable audio options so I must have an older build from the repositories |
| 14:26.38 | javispedro | yep, the screenshot is from git |
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| 14:41.08 | javispedro | reads this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30857 as "Please report any non-Fremantle Maemo applications to Multi-National United. Thanks for your cooperation." |
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| 14:50.53 | dopper | javispedro: thanks it works great with the think outside (igo) stowaway bluetooth keyboard on n800 (albeit requiring a more comfortable mapping of keys than the n810 defaults) |
| 14:51.27 | javispedro | dopper, good to know. I plan to put in a simple mapping editor in the interface (more complex mappings will have to go through the config file) |
| 14:52.07 | dopper | super punchout runs nice and smooth |
| 14:55.25 | javispedro | what's the average framerate (you can see that on the lower left corner)? |
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| 14:59.05 | dopper | 30-32 fps during the game |
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| 15:00.26 | dopper | I was able to beat gabby jay with the default key bindings but that's not saying much |
| 15:00.51 | fureddo | I'm trying to use the Application Manager inside scratchbox but the Internet connection doesn't seem to work. Sounds familiar to someone? |
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| 15:03.46 | javispedro | fureddo: fremantle? then yes, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/#sdkissue |
| 15:04.03 | fureddo | javispedro, diablo |
| 15:04.53 | javispedro | can yo ping google.com from inside sbox? |
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| 15:05.08 | fureddo | yes. apt-get works fine. |
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| 15:07.25 | wazd_n800 | guys! |
| 15:07.28 | wazd_n800 | http://www.mobile-review.com/lj/1955.jpg |
| 15:07.49 | wazd_n800 | more screenshots to come :) |
| 15:07.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Fucking sweet |
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| 15:09.01 | wazd_n800 | He says that n900 is the best device in 2009 :) |
| 15:09.01 | kfx | is that background blurred in photoshop or is that how it looks on the device |
| 15:09.15 | fureddo | Hmmm... apt-get works but ping doesn't... |
| 15:09.21 | wazd_n800 | kfx, its device screenshot |
| 15:09.27 | kfx | and does it use some kind of display compositing to achieve that |
| 15:09.38 | wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, btw, see, gradients are ok |
| 15:09.59 | wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, looks like we'll have 24 bit heaven :D |
| 15:10.08 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 15:10.13 | wazd_n800 | kfx: clutter |
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| 15:10.40 | kfx | ah |
| 15:11.15 | kfx | man I was like two minutes into puzzling out my old, broken russian skills before I saw there was an english-language link there |
| 15:11.48 | Stskeeps | wants a fremantle device now |
| 15:11.51 | qwerty12_N810 | But that battery bar showing 3 bars and it having "1 hour of active use" left isn't good :\ |
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| 15:12.26 | dopper | javispedro: have you seen this post yet? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=17579 - I think I'm going to try this next (using a bluetooth enabled wiimote) |
| 15:12.41 | kfx | battery life estimates improve when you turn off the built-in signal laser, qwerty12_N810 |
| 15:12.41 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: any power user will strain the device at first |
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| 15:12.56 | qwerty12_N810 | kfx: hehe |
| 15:13.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: but, 3 bars! :) |
| 15:13.20 | kfx | (I'm assuming this can communicate directly with the ISS) |
| 15:13.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Then again, Nokia aren't known for their accurate battery meter applets |
| 15:13.40 | wazd_n800 | I think battery applet is unfinished/not working |
| 15:14.11 | wazd_n800 | too bad icon and wrong text format |
| 15:14.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Eldar deserves the Nobel prize or someshit for having the brains to turn the device on |
| 15:14.52 | Stskeeps | lol |
| 15:14.52 | wazd_n800 | and yes, seriously, 1 hour on 3 bars?! :D |
| 15:15.22 | wazd_n800 | qwerty12_N810, he was using it for 3 months or so |
| 15:15.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep, but other shots show the device with it turned off :p |
| 15:15.54 | wazd_n800 | why blogger has the device, and devs don't :( |
| 15:17.04 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: if he says it's the best device of 2009, that isn't bad :) |
| 15:17.39 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I want to say the same thing |
| 15:18.01 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, but I need the device for that :P |
| 15:18.10 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:18.46 | Macer | hi |
| 15:19.27 | Stskeeps | that's application manager in background isn't it? |
| 15:21.02 | Macer | * Stskeeps wants a fremantle device now |
| 15:21.11 | Macer | stares at mer |
| 15:21.18 | Stskeeps | Macer: i've wanted that for several months though |
| 15:21.39 | Macer | heh |
| 15:21.52 | Stskeeps | after seeing the development devices |
| 15:21.57 | Macer | vaporware |
| 15:22.02 | Macer | ;) |
| 15:22.08 | Macer | actually |
| 15:22.15 | Macer | beagleboards are real |
| 15:22.22 | Macer | get one of those |
| 15:22.28 | Stskeeps | i have two in my office.. |
| 15:22.32 | Macer | oh |
| 15:22.53 | Macer | only thing short of newer phones that use an a8 |
| 15:22.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Get a Pandora. Oh, wait... |
| 15:23.01 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: haha |
| 15:23.06 | Macer | or a touch book! |
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| 15:23.14 | Macer | woop |
| 15:23.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, you still waiting for your order? :p |
| 15:23.25 | Macer | mine is on "pre order" |
| 15:23.28 | Macer | yeah |
| 15:23.29 | Macer | haha |
| 15:23.44 | Macer | not only that |
| 15:23.52 | Macer | but theyve started shipping! |
| 15:23.58 | Macer | yet |
| 15:24.04 | Macer | nobody has gotten one yet |
| 15:24.17 | Macer | hahaha. what a load of shit |
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| 15:26.20 | Macer | i dunno. i havent checked their site since they said they were shipping |
| 15:26.35 | Macer | let me see what this week's line of bullshit is |
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| 15:38.39 | Macer | hm |
| 15:41.33 | Macer | hm |
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| 15:41.50 | Macer | does the diablo kernel src not come with the proper sound ? |
| 15:41.59 | Macer | sound driver for an n810? |
| 15:42.47 | Stskeeps | no help .. :) |
| 15:48.43 | javispedro | dopper, even though I have a wiimote I did not try it either so good luck :D |
| 15:50.26 | javispedro | oh well. that screenshot looks palmish. |
| 15:50.32 | javispedro | save for the clearly gnome-style disk icon |
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| 15:52.01 | javispedro | which probably indicates it's not a screenshot of the definitive gui |
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| 15:52.16 | javispedro | so there's still hope for the 1.30-ish "active use" battery life. |
| 15:52.40 | javispedro | cause with only 2 hours of battery life I'm going to kill all nokians. |
| 15:52.56 | Macer | command.. it's added in the OP now in the main section with the commands___________ |
| 15:53.01 | Macer | hm |
| 15:53.04 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: May I join you in that? |
| 15:53.11 | Macer | what is th OP |
| 15:53.13 | Macer | ? |
| 15:53.14 | Macer | heh |
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| 15:53.34 | Macer | i was seeing how they got it working in deblet |
| 15:55.45 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, I bring my trusty bulldozer. you what? |
| 15:55.56 | qwerty12_N810 | AK-47 |
| 15:56.01 | qwerty12_N810 | :( |
| 15:59.07 | wazd | wazd_n800: screw you, fatass :) |
| 16:02.08 | javispedro | just installed ie6 on wine just to get to telefonica's web page. |
| 16:02.10 | javispedro | carrier's suck. |
| 16:02.15 | javispedro | *carriers. |
| 16:03.35 | javispedro | also, what happened to msn? i did not remember it had so much pr0n on frontpage. |
| 16:03.40 | javispedro | times have changed. |
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| 16:15.08 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, re macer, you are evil! |
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| 17:28.38 | nickmack | Hello guys |
| 17:29.10 | andre__ | hi |
| 17:29.10 | nickmack | hey, does anyone here know how osso-backup protect backups with password? |
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| 17:40.18 | wnd | nickmack, iirc the password is passed to zip's algorithm |
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| 17:44.22 | nickmack | but i guess it change the zip file somehow, cause the zip is not even recognized as a zip file |
| 17:45.14 | nickmack | Doesnt it have an algorithm itself to protect with passwords? |
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| 17:57.44 | wiretapped | any word of developer discounts for the next device? |
| 17:59.32 | lcuk2 | how can you have a discount on the next device when its not even been announced yet |
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| 18:01.03 | Proteous | heh |
| 18:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, no. |
| 18:02.41 | Macer | nokia has vaporware too? |
| 18:02.45 | Macer | heh |
| 18:02.48 | GeneralAntilles | It seems unlikely that we're going to get one. |
| 18:02.50 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, hardly. |
| 18:02.59 | GeneralAntilles | Vaporware is when you announce something and then never ship it. |
| 18:03.00 | Macer | :-) |
| 18:03.07 | GeneralAntilles | It can't be vaporware if it hasn't been announced. |
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| 18:03.08 | Macer | oooooh.. ok |
| 18:03.21 | Macer | i see |
| 18:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | They're going to have to hustle to get the discounts sorted if they're waiting until the announcement. |
| 18:03.36 | Macer | figured vaporware was anything that never came to be |
| 18:03.46 | GeneralAntilles | That, or they're shipping in November and I'm not going to bother with the Summit. |
| 18:03.51 | Macer | like... the touch book |
| 18:04.03 | Macer | why? |
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| 18:04.14 | javispedro | "Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released" :) |
| 18:04.21 | wiretapped | it wouldn't make much sense to have the summit with lots of maemo5 details still under wraps |
| 18:04.35 | wiretapped | but then nokia's actions don't always make a lot of sense |
| 18:04.46 | GeneralAntilles | wiretapped, I agree, which is why I wouldn't be attending any such Summit. |
| 18:04.49 | Macer | javispedro: get that from the l33t encyclopedia? |
| 18:04.52 | Macer | hehe |
| 18:05.02 | javispedro | no, the deletionpedia ;) |
| 18:05.11 | Macer | haha |
| 18:05.23 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: did you use the adium 1.4b8 irc, seemed like they fixed alot |
| 18:05.26 | lcuk2 | macer have you given up on dpkg for now then |
| 18:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, not on my primary computer for a little while yet. |
| 18:05.45 | Stskeeps | Macer: got sound working yet? |
| 18:05.52 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: for now yes... i want to see about getting gentoo to use sound |
| 18:05.58 | Macer | Stskeeps: im not home yet |
| 18:06.00 | lcuk | hiya zakkm \o |
| 18:06.01 | zakkm | hey everyone :) |
| 18:06.06 | zakkm | heya lcuk :) |
| 18:06.08 | Macer | my n810 is at home |
| 18:06.20 | Macer | matchbox finished building tho |
| 18:06.43 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody using an i7 rig with Ubuntu? |
| 18:06.52 | Macer | doesnt look like hildon does it? |
| 18:07.00 | zakkm | i got a overclocked machine? |
| 18:07.04 | Macer | like... stock matchbox |
| 18:07.06 | zakkm | not up to core i7 though ;p |
| 18:07.08 | Macer | ? |
| 18:07.22 | Stskeeps | Macer: also i'll give you another friendly hint. after loading tasks first time, halt, not reboot. |
| 18:07.47 | Stskeeps | (if you're doing it in a init script that starts after you install it) |
| 18:07.50 | Macer | Stskeeps: i can only go off the deblet instructions |
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| 18:08.07 | Macer | tasks first time? |
| 18:08.11 | Macer | for what? |
| 18:08.16 | Macer | matchbox? |
| 18:08.54 | Macer | Stskeeps: oh. you must mean all the sound stuff |
| 18:09.01 | GeneralAntilles | would prefer a dual Xeon setup. |
| 18:09.06 | Macer | the deblet stuff looks difficult |
| 18:09.09 | GeneralAntilles | Problem is, the server mobos are exactly that. |
| 18:09.22 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: is there a purpose for it? |
| 18:09.24 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: get a openrd-client? ;) |
| 18:09.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, I need a real machine. |
| 18:10.23 | GeneralAntilles | Do PCIe sound cards work at all in Linux? |
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| 18:12.36 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: how can you leave Mac OSX :( |
| 18:12.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Easily? ;) |
| 18:13.11 | javispedro | oh, i did it twice, so it must be easy ;) |
| 18:14.01 | zakkm | ;O |
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| 18:14.21 | zakkm | greatest OS |
| 18:14.50 | qwerty12_N810 | /cue cough fits |
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| 18:15.22 | lardman | anyone here have mobile broadband with Vodafone? |
| 18:15.39 | lardman | ~lart Vodafone for being a right bunch of w*nkers |
| 18:15.39 | infobot | forces Vodafone to use Outlook Express for being a right bunch of w*nkers |
| 18:15.50 | javispedro | ~curse all carriers |
| 18:15.50 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, all carriers ! |
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| 18:16.18 | javispedro | oh, damn. they _already_ are xp administrators :( |
| 18:16.28 | lardman | I've just been told that somehow Vodafone will charge me differently if I use my phone as a modem (i.e. with my N810) than if I use the internet on it directly |
| 18:16.38 | lardman | does that make sense? or is it a load of rubbish? |
| 18:17.29 | Razumihin | lardman: I don't think that they even can notice that. |
| 18:17.29 | lardman | I tend towards the latter, but as I have a few days to cancel my contract I should really make sure |
| 18:17.29 | slonopotamus | lardman, same thing here. they somehow can distinguish that. |
| 18:17.30 | Stskeeps | lardman: if they use custom firmware on the phone i guess it is possible |
| 18:17.30 | javispedro | lardman, I've seen it done by carefully suggesting a diferent configuration for modem use |
| 18:17.32 | lardman | Razumihin: except that my phone comes up and says "enable packet data" when I try to use it with the N810 |
| 18:17.33 | kleist | with Vodafone, anything is possible |
| 18:17.39 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Why are you with Vodafone anyway? Their hobby is getting shitton amounts of money out of their customers' asses. |
| 18:17.57 | lardman | yeah, well my parents are with them, free calls, etc |
| 18:18.03 | lardman | and my wife for that matter :) |
| 18:18.14 | lardman | annoying |
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| 18:18.27 | Razumihin | lardman: I recommend something else really. |
| 18:18.39 | lardman | so, what's the best bet then, I'd like a contract that will work with the n900 as and when it is released |
| 18:19.04 | kleist | an unlimited data plan (gprs speed) costs 10 euro/month with O2 Germany |
| 18:19.05 | Razumihin | The best thing might be to wait for n900 and take that with contract |
| 18:19.13 | lardman | though if it's tied to a contract in Europe, I'll have to get a pay as you go for a few months |
| 18:19.34 | qwerty12_N810 | You really are going to Vegas, then? ;) |
| 18:19.40 | lardman | kleist: my wife was suggesting we move to Germany, bit extreme just for a new price plan though! ;) |
| 18:20.02 | zakkm | :D |
| 18:20.10 | kleist | lardman: what does such a thing cost over there? |
| 18:20.13 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: is that where the launch is? |
| 18:20.26 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30862 |
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| 18:20.51 | Razumihin | lardman: :) |
| 18:21.08 | lardman | :) |
| 18:21.18 | Razumihin | lardman: I think that you can get n900 at least from finland without contract |
| 18:21.23 | lardman | I did notice that I am always in the "random members" :D |
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| 18:21.32 | Razumihin | (i hope so as i just took n97 with 2 year contract ;) |
| 18:21.46 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: How much did you pay bergie? ;P |
| 18:22.38 | lcuk | lardman, i gather you have seen: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=312779 |
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| 18:23.15 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, he doesnt have to pay - thats actually where woodbe assassins look for jobs :O |
| 18:23.22 | lcuk | he has to pay to be removed |
| 18:23.33 | qwerty12_N810 | heh |
| 18:24.54 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: I wonder if my missing discussion karma has boosted my "front page appearance modifier" or somesuch |
| 18:24.55 | lardman | :D |
| 18:25.36 | nickmack | So... nobody knows how osso-backup protect its backups with password? |
| 18:25.41 | nickmack | >.< |
| 18:25.43 | Stskeeps | it's closed source |
| 18:25.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:26.14 | lardman | sooo, what do we reckon on phone contracts? |
| 18:26.18 | lcuk | o_O really, how will mer handle backup |
| 18:26.26 | javispedro | with obscurity |
| 18:26.28 | lardman | and do we think we'll see dev devices too? |
| 18:26.29 | qwerty12_N810 | tar |
| 18:26.34 | lcuk | do apps have to create a secondary backup thing in /deb package |
| 18:27.03 | lcuk | lardman, we saw dev devices in copenhagen |
| 18:27.36 | Stskeeps | lcuk: rsync /home/$USER? |
| 18:27.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: You should've took one. They did, after all, take your finger |
| 18:27.41 | lardman | I meant dev discount, sorry my bad |
| 18:27.45 | lcuk | Stskeeps, come on, USER oriented |
| 18:27.51 | Stskeeps | ok $HOME.P |
| 18:27.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:27.54 | lcuk | im actually being serious |
| 18:27.58 | lardman | shit, can't believe I just typed that |
| 18:28.05 | lcuk | is as shocked as others |
| 18:28.11 | lardman | :p |
| 18:28.25 | lcuk | backup is important to people |
| 18:28.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk: and i'm being fairly serious too - a nice UI on top of tar or the likes. |
| 18:28.34 | lcuk | could you put it on the list of components for nokia to consider |
| 18:28.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I see a market for liqbackup |
| 18:28.41 | Stskeeps | we do keep all user settings in $HOME |
| 18:28.51 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, ive done backup apps before now |
| 18:28.54 | lcuk | and they are no fun |
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| 18:29.19 | lcuk | but, what nokia backup has going for it, is a whole raft of programs configured to use it |
| 18:29.28 | Stskeeps | sure, and it can still piggyback on that |
| 18:29.38 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:29.52 | javispedro | oh, I have a backup app on the device? |
| 18:29.54 | lcuk | but as usual, if nokia are willing to open it |
| 18:29.59 | lcuk | it saves hassl |
| 18:30.01 | lcuk | e |
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| 18:30.12 | lcuk | and we get tried, tested stable software |
| 18:30.43 | lcuk | that level of comfort is important to a lot of people |
| 18:32.17 | zakkm | is it just me or does the whole UI/look of tablet need to change? |
| 18:32.19 | javispedro | does the backup app do anything else other than killing gconf and the addresbook before running zip? |
| 18:32.24 | zakkm | its too "stylus wanting" |
| 18:32.42 | Stskeeps | zakkm: did you see fremantle? :P |
| 18:32.47 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: welcome to Fremantle. |
| 18:32.50 | zakkm | very early videos |
| 18:33.13 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: it does send out a signal that apps can listen to iirc |
| 18:33.30 | zakkm | it still seems like it wants stylus though |
| 18:33.57 | zakkm | i mean lesss so, but still require it if your going to use tablet |
| 18:36.20 | VDVsx | seems that the last update of openssh broke something o_0 |
| 18:36.25 | VDVsx | anyone experienced problems with ssh in the last couple of days ? |
| 18:36.29 | zakkm | VDVsx: worked fine for me. |
| 18:36.36 | lcuk | what sort of problems |
| 18:36.37 | zakkm | updating actually fixed ssh for me |
| 18:36.39 | qwerty12_N810 | I updated and my SSH still works |
| 18:37.01 | lcuk | and btw, vdvsx, your cats name is fred and your mothers maiden name is jones :P |
| 18:37.10 | lcuk | i found your ssh worked perfectly |
| 18:37.22 | zakkm | :O |
| 18:37.33 | VDVsx | mine only works if I keep the the internet connection alive :( |
| 18:37.38 | VDVsx | lcuk, :) |
| 18:37.47 | lcuk | yeah - thats called a connection isnt it? |
| 18:37.55 | VDVsx | i.e keep browsing :) |
| 18:38.33 | VDVsx | *one the n810 side |
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| 18:38.39 | VDVsx | grrr |
| 18:38.40 | lcuk | thats likely a standard net setting |
| 18:38.43 | lcuk | not ssh itself is it? |
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| 18:39.17 | VDVsx | start happening with the last update of openssh :( |
| 18:39.24 | paulo_victor | alguem fala português? |
| 18:39.25 | lcuk | :'( |
| 18:39.31 | Stskeeps | O_NDELAY issue? |
| 18:39.37 | VDVsx | paulo_victor, não :p |
| 18:39.41 | javispedro | what's the changelog? |
| 18:40.02 | VDVsx | javispedro, didn't checked yet |
| 18:40.20 | javispedro | I'm not using it cause I want mine to run from inetd :P |
| 18:40.24 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.39 | VDVsx | paulo_victor, se precisar de ajuda, diga, mas fora do canal, este canal é só ingles ;) |
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| 18:47.35 | lardman|fed | rrrr, bloody Vodafone |
| 18:49.20 | lardman|fed | Jaffa: your post here is a bit screwy: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=312671&postcount=10 |
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| 18:49.29 | lardman|fed | the formatting that is |
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| 18:54.02 | lardman|fed | anyone know what FUP stands for? |
| 18:54.17 | lardman|fed | ah, fair use |
| 18:54.30 | javispedro | deletionpedia says so :D |
| 18:54.45 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe they meant s/U/A/ |
| 18:55.01 | lardman|fed | :) |
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| 18:57.10 | lardman|fed | aargh, why doesn't maemo.org warn you you're not logged in when you go to edit a page |
| 18:57.11 | lardman|fed | grrr |
| 18:57.42 | qwerty12_N810 | Because you're on Vodafone |
| 18:58.32 | lardman|fed | you're so right :) |
| 18:58.36 | lardman|fed | ~curse Vodafone |
| 18:58.37 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Vodafone ! |
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| 19:04.19 | lardman|fed | well at least something useful has come of this crappy-Vodafone run-in, I've had to look up the info and therefore have added it to the wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/Data_plans#United_Kingdom |
| 19:06.07 | lardman | hmm, so I reckon perhaps I should switch to a pay as you go monthly contract and see what happens with the new wunder-phone |
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| 19:07.51 | lardman | goes to tally up the number of minutes he uses a month |
| 19:07.58 | lardman | bloody Vodafone |
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| 19:15.14 | lcuk | nickmack, |
| 19:15.26 | lcuk | do you have the backup file on computer |
| 19:15.33 | lcuk | does it start with standard zip header |
| 19:16.02 | lcuk | ie in text "PK???????..." |
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| 19:18.33 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:19.41 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnsq |
| 19:20.11 | johnsq | or mid |
| 19:21.29 | nickmack | hum... i have it on computer, the main problem is that i need to know how osso-backup application protect the backups, cause i need to do the same thing in my application so osso-backup can recognize password protected backups my application create |
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| 19:23.37 | lcuk | nickmack, but you say you cannot recognise the file. does the (partial) individual .zip file have proper PK header |
| 19:23.44 | lcuk | after osso-backup has produced it |
| 19:23.58 | lcuk | or are they using a custom wrapper around the zip |
| 19:24.16 | lcuk | which will help you to at least rule out some possibilities |
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| 19:26.32 | Stskeeps | wazd: poke |
| 19:27.06 | wazd | shrugs |
| 19:27.21 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did you read my ui spec? |
| 19:27.33 | timeless_mbp | hey, wazd, do you code or just mock up? |
| 19:27.40 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: briefly, been tangled up in e-mails and pre-final release at work today |
| 19:29.03 | lardman | hmm, probably cheaper to be on a contract that in pay as you go |
| 19:29.03 | wazd | timeless_mbp: unfortunately only mock ups :( |
| 19:29.03 | Stskeeps | wazd: while i'm not out to try and kill mer ui or something, i do have an idea that could be interesting |
| 19:29.10 | timeless_mbp | wazd: can you write html? |
| 19:29.15 | nickmack | hum... im sry, but whats the PK header of the zip file? |
| 19:29.37 | wazd | timeless_mbp: yep |
| 19:30.24 | wazd | Stskeeps: Well, if your idea is better than current - why should I be against it ) |
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| 19:46.48 | Macer | ok! |
| 19:46.50 | Macer | i'm home |
| 19:46.58 | Macer | let me try out this damn matchbox crap :) |
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| 19:55.44 | Macer | well |
| 19:55.48 | Macer | that didn't work |
| 19:55.53 | zakkm | hah |
| 19:56.05 | Macer | FBDEV(0): FBIOBLANK: Invalid argument |
| 19:57.02 | Macer | oh |
| 19:57.03 | Macer | yeah it did |
| 19:57.08 | Macer | wow this is bare :) |
| 19:58.35 | Macer | well |
| 19:58.40 | Macer | i guess if i take the tie to figure matchbox out |
| 19:58.42 | Macer | it will be worth it |
| 19:58.48 | Macer | until then i'll go ahead and install gnome heh |
| 19:59.53 | johnsq | Macer: haven't you installed gentoo? |
| 20:01.15 | Macer | http://matchbox-project.org/screenshots.html |
| 20:01.17 | Macer | wow |
| 20:01.19 | zakkm | gnome? ew |
| 20:01.23 | Macer | if i can get my matchbox to run like that |
| 20:01.25 | Macer | it would be awesome :) |
| 20:01.27 | Macer | the bottome one |
| 20:01.29 | Macer | bottom |
| 20:01.37 | zakkm | hah |
| 20:01.40 | zakkm | thats awesomee |
| 20:01.45 | zakkm | 2.10 gnome for one lol |
| 20:01.51 | zakkm | and the icons are wayy to slow |
| 20:01.52 | Macer | Matchbox window manager and keyboard running with GNOME ( including the GNOME panel and Nautilus desktop ) on a Sony U71 UMPC with Ubuntu Linux. |
| 20:01.54 | zakkm | you'd need stylus |
| 20:01.54 | johnsq | Macer: matchbox isn't good, use some real windowmanager. |
| 20:02.03 | Macer | johnsq: i wanted something small ;) |
| 20:02.10 | zakkm | whats wrong with the very top ones |
| 20:02.10 | Macer | and meant for a tablet |
| 20:02.37 | Macer | those top ones look too much like a phone ;) |
| 20:02.47 | Macer | they look like symbian |
| 20:02.58 | Macer | i need to learn how to get that gnome integration stuff like the bottom one |
| 20:03.01 | johnsq | Macer: jwm, awesome. |
| 20:03.02 | Macer | that would be an awesome wm to run |
| 20:03.09 | Macer | jwm? |
| 20:03.12 | Macer | have any screen shots? |
| 20:03.22 | Macer | i wanted something that would work well on the tablet's small screen space |
| 20:03.43 | johnsq | Macer: http://joewing.net/programs/jwm/screenshots/jwm-2.0.png |
| 20:04.21 | johnsq | Macer: fluxbox, openbox all can be configured. My own window manager isn't release ready. |
| 20:04.23 | Macer | lol |
| 20:04.29 | Macer | that is too much ;) |
| 20:04.48 | Macer | i wanted small and simple |
| 20:05.07 | Macer | that jwm looks kinda like flux box with a bar at the bottom tho |
| 20:05.09 | Macer | heh |
| 20:05.24 | Macer | and icons in the menus ;) |
| 20:05.38 | Macer | bbl. when i get back i have to learn how to do that gnome crap they have at the bottom |
| 20:05.41 | Macer | that looks awesome :) |
| 20:05.54 | Macer | i mean i'm no big fan of gnome.. but it's probably better than maemo and the mer guis if i can get it working |
| 20:06.23 | Macer | i mean that looks kind of awesome for a tablet ui |
| 20:06.33 | Macer | kind of like gnome mini or something |
| 20:06.39 | johnsq | Macer: you can try lxde. |
| 20:07.02 | Macer | johnsq: i guess |
| 20:07.10 | Macer | but first i want to see about doing that matchbox/gnome stuff |
| 20:07.13 | Macer | that looks win ;) |
| 20:07.20 | Macer | lxde is a good alternative tho |
| 20:07.31 | Macer | i remember deblet was using it. it seemed to work well on the tablet |
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| 20:07.37 | johnsq | Macer: gnome/kde are some overkill. happy memory eating, resource loving. |
| 20:07.49 | Macer | johnsq: maybe, but in the end i am going to require the gtk apps anyways |
| 20:07.53 | Macer | and i don't think it's really gnome |
| 20:08.03 | Macer | i just think it "looks" like gnome and has a couple gnome apps running in it |
| 20:08.05 | Macer | they're both gtk anyways |
| 20:08.19 | Macer | ok. going to shower.. bbiab |
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| 20:21.49 | krzysz00 | why does libboost-regex1.34.1 not contain a library? |
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| 20:23.25 | krzysz00 | hello? |
| 20:23.40 | krzysz00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.11 | Macer | actuallly. i'm going to take my son to the park instead.. i'll work on this when i get some more free time |
| 20:24.17 | Macer | i need to set up the wifi for the tether too |
| 20:24.23 | Macer | and hopefully i don't have any problems :) |
| 20:24.41 | krzysz00 | libboost-regex is broken |
| 20:24.51 | krzysz00 | i think |
| 20:25.09 | Macer | in the meantime. i'll install blackbox or fluxbox |
| 20:25.41 | fiferboy | krzysz00: Are you looking at the armel packages or i386? |
| 20:25.45 | krzysz00 | i386 |
| 20:26.09 | fiferboy | I think mikkov_ was unable to get it to build for i386 so dummied it out |
| 20:26.24 | fiferboy | IIRC, armel actually contain the library |
| 20:26.35 | krzysz00 | apt-get source? |
| 20:27.13 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/ridicolouslyflexible.png |
| 20:27.39 | Stskeeps | (i know that's a shitty shot but that's zenity stuck in a bloody taskbar..) |
| 20:30.05 | Macer | it looks like the mer gui |
| 20:30.21 | Stskeeps | yeah, but implemented in FVWM instead |
| 20:30.39 | Stskeeps | http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-app-launcher_20090727.png is how it looks with a background |
| 20:31.13 | Macer | oh |
| 20:31.19 | Macer | wow Stskeeps .. that is very nice looking |
| 20:31.31 | Stskeeps | second one isn't my work, but that is our fvwm branch |
| 20:31.46 | Macer | but how well does it function? ;) |
| 20:31.51 | Stskeeps | pretty well |
| 20:31.59 | Stskeeps | not always for hildon apps, but for rest, sure |
| 20:32.13 | Macer | well. i don't think hildon apps are that important anymore |
| 20:32.20 | Macer | seeing as they don't really xfer over very well :) |
| 20:32.32 | Stskeeps | they are still important, tbh |
| 20:32.47 | Macer | really? which ones are you looking at that seem to be required? |
| 20:32.56 | zakkm | osso-xterm :) |
| 20:32.59 | Macer | haha |
| 20:33.05 | zakkm | why hah |
| 20:33.05 | Macer | osso-xterm is actually pretty good :) |
| 20:33.08 | zakkm | thats the best terminal for tablet |
| 20:33.11 | johnsq | Stskeeps: I still search any usefull maemo application |
| 20:33.18 | zakkm | well console, but thats not possible in mer really |
| 20:33.31 | Macer | zakkm: no... i think osso-xterm is great |
| 20:33.35 | Macer | it works very well |
| 20:33.39 | Stskeeps | johnsq: maemo-mapper? :P |
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| 20:33.50 | Macer | Stskeeps: can't un-hildonize it? :) |
| 20:34.08 | Stskeeps | there's a point to some hildonization you know :) |
| 20:34.19 | zakkm | johnsq: whats wrong with osso-xterm? |
| 20:34.20 | Macer | love the transparent bar now |
| 20:34.26 | Macer | that is a really nice looking desktop |
| 20:34.28 | zakkm | it was always transparent? |
| 20:34.32 | Macer | was it? |
| 20:34.33 | Macer | hehe |
| 20:34.34 | zakkm | yeah |
| 20:34.38 | Macer | maybe it's the background he's using |
| 20:34.39 | johnsq | Stskeeps: its no maemo app (iirc), you don't mean the original map app. |
| 20:34.42 | Macer | it stands out more |
| 20:34.54 | zakkm | thats more like 100% transparency though mind you |
| 20:34.58 | Macer | hm |
| 20:35.00 | zakkm | mer i think seems like 60-70 |
| 20:35.09 | Macer | hm. there is a gnome flag for matchbox |
| 20:35.16 | zakkm | yeah |
| 20:35.19 | Macer | maybe that will add that gnome integration i saw on the matchbox site |
| 20:35.23 | zakkm | to include gnome stuff or not |
| 20:35.27 | Macer | heh |
| 20:35.31 | zakkm | packages, apps and such |
| 20:35.35 | Stskeeps | johnsq: maemo mapper is a maemo app afaik :P |
| 20:35.35 | Macer | no kidding |
| 20:35.37 | Macer | that would be great |
| 20:35.49 | johnsq | zakkm: I don't need it, theres is rxvt. xterm, urxvt many functional terminal application |
| 20:35.50 | Macer | if i can get that damn gnome look to matchbox just by adding gnome to my USE |
| 20:36.00 | Macer | johnsq: aterm ftw ;) |
| 20:36.06 | Macer | ok... bbl... going to take my son to the park |
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| 20:38.33 | msaraiva | Hi |
| 20:38.42 | msaraiva | I have a problem trying to flash my N800 |
| 20:38.44 | msaraiva | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 20:39.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Are you root? |
| 20:39.14 | msaraiva | Mandriva x86_64 |
| 20:39.14 | msaraiva | 2.6.30 |
| 20:39.18 | msaraiva | Yep |
| 20:39.34 | msaraiva | I don't get "operation not permited" |
| 20:39.57 | msaraiva | If i was running as a non-root user, i'd get this message. |
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| 20:41.12 | msaraiva | Help, i need to flash my n800 :S |
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| 20:42.40 | msaraiva | I bought it used, and don't want to run it "as is". |
| 20:42.49 | javispedro | ~flashing |
| 20:42.50 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:43.25 | johnsq | msaraiva: look dmesg, if you see nokia update mode |
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| 20:44.25 | msaraiva | Yep |
| 20:44.34 | lcuk | msaraiva, make sure the device is directly into the computer (not a hub) |
| 20:44.44 | msaraiva | Nokia Update Mode it is. |
| 20:44.52 | msaraiva | And it's directly attached to the computer. |
| 20:45.01 | javispedro | checks logs and apologizes for useless suggestion. |
| 20:45.34 | lcuk | msaraiva, try taking battery out and have flashing app sitting there saying "waiting for device" |
| 20:45.47 | lcuk | then put battery in and do vulcan grip thing till its in update mode |
| 20:46.06 | msaraiva | "Vulcan grip"? |
| 20:46.11 | lcuk | press the button you need |
| 20:46.12 | zakkm | vulcan grip? |
| 20:46.18 | zakkm | "home key" ? |
| 20:46.27 | lcuk | whichever key it is |
| 20:46.30 | msaraiva | lol |
| 20:46.32 | msaraiva | hehehe |
| 20:46.32 | lcuk | i normally end up dancing around the keys |
| 20:46.42 | zakkm | msaraiva: the bottom button on nokia |
| 20:46.42 | msaraiva | Man, this battery is hard to come out... |
| 20:46.48 | zakkm | small house |
| 20:46.52 | msaraiva | Yeah, the home key. |
| 20:47.00 | zakkm | hold it... and press power.. and key holding it till you see usb icon in corner |
| 20:47.04 | zakkm | and pc will do the flashing |
| 20:47.09 | zakkm | that is if it started with "waiting.." |
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| 20:48.08 | msaraiva | Should the battery be this hard to come out? |
| 20:48.31 | lcuk | different devices are looser than others |
| 20:48.37 | lcuk | on my 810 it falls out if i sneeze |
| 20:48.41 | lcuk | on 800 i have to bang it |
| 20:48.58 | zakkm | msaraiva: push on the one side |
| 20:49.02 | msaraiva | lol, i was trying to spring it out from the wrong side |
| 20:49.04 | zakkm | with a nail.. "pry it out" |
| 20:50.39 | msaraiva | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 003 Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 20:50.43 | msaraiva | Damn... |
| 20:50.50 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/freemantle.png <- see where i'm going with this? |
| 20:51.05 | Stskeeps | (yes, the extra 'e' is intentional.) |
| 20:51.21 | msaraiva | Don't know what to do anymore. |
| 20:51.21 | msaraiva | :S |
| 20:51.46 | zakkm | woooh |
| 20:51.49 | javispedro | does lsof work for usbfs files? |
| 20:51.54 | zakkm | msaraiva: you run as root? |
| 20:52.11 | msaraiva | [root@mark Download]# ./flasher-3.0.amd64 -F RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 20:52.14 | zakkm | Stskeeps: i likeeee :) , you should do that !info thing .. and post that :P |
| 20:52.29 | zakkm | the thing for mer news on "twitter" |
| 20:53.28 | msaraiva | So, to sum it up: I'm running the flasher as root, n800 directly attached to usb, and i'm putting the N800 in flash mode. |
| 20:53.47 | msaraiva | Aug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Aug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105 Aug 18 17:50:27 mark klogd: usb 1-7: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 Aug |
| 20:53.49 | msaraiva | Ops |
| 20:53.51 | msaraiva | Sorry |
| 20:54.39 | zakkm | msaraiva: hmm give me a sec k? |
| 20:55.05 | zakkm | you know you can also use "clear device" on the tablet itself, if they kept it up to dat eit wouldnt matter |
| 20:55.06 | msaraiva | K |
| 20:55.12 | zakkm | future references. |
| 20:55.21 | msaraiva | Where can i find "clear device"? |
| 20:55.26 | zakkm | control panel |
| 20:55.33 | zakkm | app menu - settings - control panel |
| 20:55.33 | msaraiva | Lemme check. |
| 20:55.42 | msaraiva | That's the first thing i thought of doing. |
| 20:55.42 | zakkm | click menu button ( above home/house key ) |
| 20:55.44 | msaraiva | Lol |
| 20:55.47 | zakkm | and tools - clear device |
| 20:55.55 | msaraiva | K, it's booting... |
| 20:55.58 | msaraiva | Lemme check. |
| 20:56.14 | javispedro | or use the windows flasher, since this seems a host pc os issue. |
| 20:56.26 | zakkm | msaraiva: willing to try flasher-3.5? |
| 20:56.40 | msaraiva | Yep |
| 20:56.44 | zakkm | theres also things like usb didnt get mounted, and such you can do |
| 20:57.02 | zakkm | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 20:57.08 | msaraiva | USBFS is mounted... |
| 20:57.44 | msaraiva | no x86_64, unfortunately |
| 20:57.48 | zakkm | mind uh |
| 20:57.53 | zakkm | pastebin the whole thing? |
| 20:58.03 | zakkm | can see whole log from flasher |
| 20:58.04 | msaraiva | K |
| 20:58.11 | zakkm | or alternate pastebin's or something |
| 20:58.45 | msaraiva | http://pastebin.org/10062 |
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| 20:59.46 | Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/freemantle-appmanager.png ;p |
| 21:00.02 | msaraiva | There's no "clear device" on my N800's control panel. |
| 21:00.04 | zakkm | 800x600? |
| 21:00.14 | zakkm | you doing that in tablet? |
| 21:00.22 | zakkm | msaraiva: wow it must be outdated :P |
| 21:00.34 | msaraiva | That's why i want to flash it :P |
| 21:00.35 | msaraiva | hehehe |
| 21:00.38 | zakkm | in that case dont worry, its not that ugly :P |
| 21:00.49 | Stskeeps | zakkm: vmdk |
| 21:01.03 | zakkm | Stskeeps: whats the "clear device" in os2007? is there? |
| 21:01.14 | msaraiva | I'm running OS2008. |
| 21:01.23 | zakkm | how do you not see clear device? |
| 21:01.31 | zakkm | okay your at control panel, yes? |
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| 21:01.48 | msaraiva | Right |
| 21:01.52 | zakkm | msaraiva: click control panel at top .. theres open view tools close.. |
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| 21:02.01 | zakkm | in tools - theres no "clear device" or "restore original settings" ? |
| 21:02.12 | msaraiva | Thanks. |
| 21:02.12 | msaraiva | LOL... |
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| 21:02.20 | zakkm | ? |
| 21:02.21 | msaraiva | It's on the menu, not one of the icons. |
| 21:02.44 | zakkm | i said press the key above the home key |
| 21:02.44 | zakkm | thats the menu key |
| 21:02.46 | msaraiva | Yep. |
| 21:02.46 | zakkm | wow eplawless lives near me hah :P |
| 21:03.01 | msaraiva | What's the default code? |
| 21:03.10 | zakkm | 012345 probably |
| 21:03.15 | zakkm | person might of set one, theres a way to get it though |
| 21:03.22 | zakkm | discovered it like two days ago |
| 21:03.33 | msaraiva | Well, it's not 012345 |
| 21:03.39 | msaraiva | I bought this thing used. |
| 21:03.44 | zakkm | me too |
| 21:03.45 | zakkm | same tablet |
| 21:03.51 | zakkm | $145 cad, person came to me |
| 21:04.25 | zakkm | msaraiva: http://pastebin.com/m55bd85aa <--- run that in terminal |
| 21:04.29 | zakkm | app menu - utilities - terminal |
| 21:05.28 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, for the summit ;) (I hope in the nokia day :P) |
| 21:05.32 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: still here? |
| 21:07.45 | msaraiva | 12345 |
| 21:07.45 | msaraiva | LOL |
| 21:07.55 | zakkm | oh sorry :( |
| 21:07.57 | zakkm | i thought it started at 0 |
| 21:08.04 | msaraiva | NP |
| 21:08.29 | zakkm | flashing though idk, a reboot would probably help cause it would be unmounted and all ( reboot of OS , not tablet ) |
| 21:13.55 | zakkm | msaraiva: hows it working out? |
| 21:15.56 | msaraiva | Worked like a charm. |
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| 21:16.07 | msaraiva | Now on to clone the internal flash to the SD card.. |
| 21:16.07 | zakkm | wooh :) |
| 21:16.14 | zakkm | is this your first tablet? |
| 21:16.15 | msaraiva | I want to dual boot this baby. |
| 21:16.18 | msaraiva | Yep. |
| 21:16.23 | zakkm | oh cool congrats :) |
| 21:16.27 | msaraiva | Thanks... |
| 21:16.39 | msaraiva | My first reaaally portable linux device. |
| 21:16.40 | zakkm | may i recommend you clone it, install Tear as web browser, believe me you wont go back to microb :P |
| 21:16.40 | msaraiva | hehe |
| 21:16.46 | zakkm | install mplayer |
| 21:16.55 | zakkm | can playback 175mb/350mb's xvids perfectly |
| 21:17.04 | zakkm | install mytube for youtube watching/downloading |
| 21:17.06 | msaraiva | Yeah, i had it installed bef formating. |
| 21:17.16 | msaraiva | What about @scene? |
| 21:17.18 | zakkm | did you try Tear? |
| 21:17.25 | msaraiva | Not yet. |
| 21:17.26 | zakkm | @scene sucks in my opinion |
| 21:17.32 | zakkm | Tear = super fastt browser :) |
| 21:17.36 | msaraiva | Is it in the "extras" repo? |
| 21:17.41 | zakkm | tear? no |
| 21:17.48 | zakkm | you install qoles repository |
| 21:17.54 | msaraiva | Humm |
| 21:18.12 | lcuk | try @scene |
| 21:18.19 | lcuk | have a look round extras |
| 21:18.25 | lcuk | dip your toes with stable software :) |
| 21:18.27 | zakkm | instasll liqbase :D your love it :) |
| 21:18.34 | zakkm | 0.1.5 for reading omg |
| 21:18.43 | zakkm | msaraiva: do you plan to read on it? |
| 21:18.48 | zakkm | like text / books and such |
| 21:19.22 | zakkm | lcuk: did i tell you my friend is buying a n800 as opposed to a kindle, just because of your app? |
| 21:20.01 | lcuk | sounds good :) |
| 21:20.11 | zakkm | i mean it is cheaper and in color too, but yeah |
| 21:20.27 | zakkm | he was going to buy a kindle im like omg you gotta see this *shows 0.1.5 liqbase* |
| 21:20.44 | msaraiva | Zakkm: Yep. Portrait mode ;) |
| 21:21.12 | zakkm | msaraiva: you really should try liqbase 0.1.5 (lcuk's app) |
| 21:21.23 | msaraiva | Extras repo? |
| 21:21.26 | zakkm | like uhh reads sd cards and all . .select the file click read... ( it saves where you left off ) |
| 21:21.27 | zakkm | yeah |
| 21:21.34 | zakkm | and then its like black background white text |
| 21:21.40 | msaraiva | What's the config for "qoles" repo? |
| 21:21.45 | zakkm | can use arrow buttons to go up or down.. or just move with touchscreen |
| 21:21.48 | zakkm | and it like kinetic scrolling |
| 21:21.59 | zakkm | http://qole.org/ left side |
| 21:22.11 | zakkm | "My maemo repository" |
| 21:22.37 | msaraiva | Thanks! |
| 21:22.43 | zakkm | Tear, mplayer, mytube, Almost TI, uhh |
| 21:22.51 | zakkm | liqbase |
| 21:22.55 | msaraiva | I'll first enable root access, and then clone the internal flash. |
| 21:23.02 | msaraiva | Then i'll start installing apps. |
| 21:23.03 | zakkm | abiword/leafpad whichever you prefer |
| 21:23.13 | zakkm | you can do sudo gainroot |
| 21:23.19 | zakkm | i dont think you need to download anything for that |
| 21:23.24 | zakkm | and you dont need root to clone to internal |
| 21:23.53 | zakkm | use "console-tools v1" onesecc http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714 |
| 21:24.03 | zakkm | read post, and link will be there ( first post ) |
| 21:25.51 | msaraiva | K, i'm now cloning the internal flash. |
| 21:26.14 | zakkm | msaraiva: dont mind me asking, how much did you pay for your n800 |
| 21:26.32 | zakkm | if you dont mind me asking* |
| 21:27.05 | msaraiva | Nah, np. |
| 21:27.36 | msaraiva | $248,00 |
| 21:27.41 | zakkm | woww |
| 21:27.41 | msaraiva | I live in Brazil :P |
| 21:27.46 | zakkm | 248 reais? |
| 21:27.57 | zakkm | not badd after taxes and all? |
| 21:28.00 | msaraiva | Nah, 248 USD. |
| 21:28.03 | zakkm | oh woww |
| 21:28.04 | msaraiva | I bought it here. |
| 21:28.09 | zakkm | very much |
| 21:28.22 | zakkm | i paid 117 usd for mine originally hah |
| 21:28.23 | msaraiva | I didn't buy it on ebay... |
| 21:28.29 | zakkm | i know |
| 21:28.36 | zakkm | ebay sucks for high gadgets :P |
| 21:29.08 | msaraiva | Customs :S |
| 21:29.21 | zakkm | actually thats not bad, friend was going to get the n800 ( lives inbrazil too , saulo carlos ? ) and it was like 799 reais |
| 21:31.19 | msaraiva | São Carlos, a small city on the state of São Paulo. |
| 21:31.26 | zakkm | yeahh thats it |
| 21:31.31 | msaraiva | Damn, 800 bucks?! |
| 21:31.35 | zakkm | reais. |
| 21:31.40 | msaraiva | Yeah, reais. |
| 21:31.43 | msaraiva | Not 800 usd. |
| 21:31.44 | zakkm | this was maybe a year back though |
| 21:31.45 | msaraiva | lol |
| 21:31.47 | zakkm | instead he got a laptop |
| 21:31.54 | zakkm | maybe it was the n810 though then? |
| 21:31.59 | zakkm | that seems more sense |
| 21:32.05 | msaraiva | Anyway, we can buy it NIB for 500 reais. |
| 21:32.09 | zakkm | but yeah brand new in store |
| 21:32.11 | msaraiva | or 10x49,90. |
| 21:32.12 | msaraiva | Lol. |
| 21:32.20 | zakkm | i loveee brazil everything ends in .90 |
| 21:32.25 | msaraiva | lol |
| 21:32.27 | msaraiva | Yeah... |
| 21:32.29 | zakkm | here its all 99 :( |
| 21:32.32 | zakkm | 4.99 5.99 |
| 21:32.42 | zakkm | do you know why that is? |
| 21:32.43 | msaraiva | And we love to pay for stuff in "small" monthly payments. |
| 21:32.48 | msaraiva | (installments) |
| 21:32.51 | msaraiva | Is that correct? |
| 21:32.57 | zakkm | yeah |
| 21:33.19 | zakkm | sao carlo is nice right? |
| 21:33.37 | zakkm | always complains theres nothing to do |
| 21:34.08 | msaraiva | It's very small. |
| 21:34.15 | msaraiva | But it's close to São Paulo. |
| 21:34.18 | msaraiva | Biiiig city. |
| 21:34.27 | zakkm | yeahh i wanna go there :) |
| 21:34.37 | msaraiva | Been there once, when i got my VCP cert (VMware Certified Professional) :P |
| 21:34.38 | zakkm | friend goes to school in sao carlo. |
| 21:34.43 | zakkm | wow nice |
| 21:35.12 | msaraiva | Hey, lemme ask you something...you don't happen to live close to Portland, right? lol |
| 21:35.30 | zakkm | Portland oregon? |
| 21:35.32 | msaraiva | A "friend" of mine from Portland robbed me :-/ |
| 21:35.32 | msaraiva | Yep. |
| 21:35.38 | msaraiva | 700 USD :-/ |
| 21:35.53 | zakkm | i know several people there. but no i dont i live in Toronto, Canada. |
| 21:36.03 | msaraiva | I asked him to buy me some stuff from newegg, but he kept my money and just disappeared... |
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| 21:36.12 | zakkm | oh woww :( |
| 21:36.15 | zakkm | thatsss awful |
| 21:36.22 | zakkm | thatss huge trust too |
| 21:36.24 | zakkm | very dangerous |
| 21:37.02 | zakkm | its not worth it though too, cause once you send to brazil, they will insanely import tax it.. i tried |
| 21:37.27 | zakkm | i tried sending stuff to my friend in brazil.. same thing and i live in a city and its cheaper than newegg hah |
| 21:37.37 | zakkm | but in the end it turned out more expensive than buying it in brazil |
| 21:37.39 | msaraiva | I'm used to buy stuff from overseas. |
| 21:37.56 | zakkm | hes a fan of dealextreme ;P dont usually get taxed and free shipping helps |
| 21:38.00 | msaraiva | I always ask to "undercut" the price, when filling the customs form. |
| 21:38.13 | zakkm | yeah i even tried filling it out as a gift |
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| 21:38.21 | zakkm | even thoguh it was at one point |
| 21:38.23 | zakkm | but that only goes so far |
| 21:38.47 | msaraiva | You can't send many packages like that... |
| 21:39.04 | msaraiva | The best thing to do is to put a "reasonable" value, and pay the tax. |
| 21:39.04 | zakkm | it was just a few |
| 21:39.08 | zakkm | at different times |
| 21:39.12 | msaraiva | They won't open the package, if you do that. |
| 21:39.16 | zakkm | and one was really a gift |
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| 21:39.36 | msaraiva | I really need to flash this thing, "clear device" only clears the personal data. |
| 21:39.48 | zakkm | you have another OS? |
| 21:39.49 | msaraiva | All programs are still installed :S |
| 21:39.56 | zakkm | you can flash on the tablet itself apparently |
| 21:40.14 | zakkm | dont think it can flash rootfs though |
| 21:40.28 | msaraiva | I'll try from other pc. |
| 21:40.57 | zakkm | windows is best or mac |
| 21:41.10 | zakkm | even try rebooting. |
| 21:41.16 | zakkm | like the computer |
| 21:41.25 | msaraiva | Lemme try from another pc... |
| 21:41.27 | msaraiva | Fedora, this time. |
| 21:41.41 | zakkm | what was it last time? |
| 21:42.56 | msaraiva | Mandriva |
| 21:43.02 | msaraiva | Worked like a charm, now :S |
| 21:43.06 | msaraiva | Flashing the device. |
| 21:43.07 | msaraiva | ;) |
| 21:43.43 | msaraiva | Lol, it's fast. |
| 21:43.45 | zakkm | mandriva.. people still use that? |
| 21:43.51 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: gdebi is shit slow on an N800 at least. :\ |
| 21:43.52 | zakkm | yeah flashing should only take like 10 seconds |
| 21:44.03 | zakkm | gdebi? |
| 21:44.07 | zakkm | isnt application manager good enough? |
| 21:44.19 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: A little wrapper around dpkg -i shouldn't be too hard to knock up |
| 21:44.42 | Jaffa | zakkm: Considering the "install a random little util which someone's knocked up" use case. |
| 21:45.03 | Jaffa | Admittedly, pushing them towards extras-devel, even for such little things which are in-progress wouldn't be a bad thing. |
| 21:45.05 | qwerty12_N810 | I'd prefer to see Application Manager have the ability to resolve dependencies. I can't believe that was overlooked. |
| 21:45.18 | zakkm | ohh Jaffa: guess what? i found out my calling card i use for my cellphone and all works on gizmo, so tablet is perfect for calling out :) |
| 21:45.29 | msaraiva | Mandriva is a pretty solid distro. |
| 21:45.40 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: not even in the fremantle version? |
| 21:45.53 | Jaffa | zakkm: Fremantle HAM's had "install from file" removed. |
| 21:45.55 | zakkm | msaraiva: mandriva always caused me soooo much pain.. way less than gentoo -.- |
| 21:45.57 | zakkm | WHAT |
| 21:45.58 | zakkm | really |
| 21:46.00 | zakkm | thats awful |
| 21:46.25 | zakkm | can it still work if you open deb in application manager? like support just removed menu entry? |
| 21:46.45 | Jaffa | zakkm: I don't believe so, but I haven't checked that. |
| 21:47.09 | qwerty12_N810 | It appears in red-pill mode. Which is ironic because the plan is for people not to use it... |
| 21:47.11 | zakkm | sounds like it could of been a menu decision, i dont know why'd they would remove that |
| 21:47.14 | zakkm | or how it tells the difference |
| 21:47.46 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: it could be they trying to appear to public now, as opposed to linux techies.. who would see install from file and be like ??? hmmm lets google download stuff |
| 21:47.48 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: The menu entry appears in red-pill mode? It might be enough to ship a package to extras which sets the appropriate $HOME/.osso/hildon-application-manager line ;-) |
| 21:47.50 | zakkm | idk :P |
| 21:48.21 | zakkm | jaffa: tell Stskeeps :) i think he changed to fremantles app manager version |
| 21:48.23 | zakkm | showed a screenshot earlier |
| 21:48.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: The user would then be exposed to the full range of settings because I doubt it has a standalone option to show the entry ;P |
| 21:49.32 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Damnit. |
| 21:49.53 | qwerty12_N810 | Interesting decision though... |
| 21:50.06 | javispedro | fears that with all those now removed options and software being 10 days on a queue, users will be more interested in enabling red-pill mode/extras-devel/rootme instead of less. |
| 21:50.35 | Jaffa | javispedro: Users who want to test things can use extras-testing |
| 21:50.44 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: no uhh gconf-editor setting? |
| 21:50.49 | zakkm | "enable install to file" |
| 21:51.07 | qwerty12_N810 | hildon-application-manager doesn't use GConf. |
| 21:51.10 | zakkm | gconf config, sorry i dont know linux stuff that much |
| 21:51.17 | zakkm | oh |
| 21:51.24 | zakkm | red pill it is ! :P |
| 21:51.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Indeed. |
| 21:53.02 | zakkm | how does red pill work exactly? |
| 21:53.04 | qwerty12_N810 | People will be wanting a patched ham due to Nokia making their legal warning even more anal-retentive (AFAIK, it doesn't have a "show me one time only" option). |
| 21:53.11 | zakkm | what does it exactly do |
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| 21:55.59 | zakkm | msaraiva: still here? |
| 21:56.08 | msaraiva | Yep |
| 21:56.18 | zakkm | found out friend lives in "Mococa, Brazil" |
| 21:56.23 | zakkm | while hes not at school |
| 21:56.53 | msaraiva | Lol, it's even smaller than São Carlos. |
| 21:56.56 | zakkm | hows cloning turning out? |
| 21:57.00 | zakkm | yeah |
| 21:57.18 | msaraiva | Can i really run "pb" without root privileges? |
| 21:57.22 | zakkm | yeah |
| 21:57.31 | zakkm | it actually doesnt work in root privileges for me |
| 21:57.36 | qwerty12_N810 | It adds itself to sudoers FYI... |
| 21:57.47 | msaraiva | Humm |
| 21:57.49 | zakkm | wait isnt that totally aganist sudo? |
| 21:57.51 | zakkm | lol |
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| 21:57.58 | msaraiva | That's how it's able to partition the card, then :p |
| 21:57.58 | zakkm | the fact that packages can add itself |
| 21:58.01 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Someone else said that, it didn't look any more anal to me... |
| 21:58.01 | zakkm | ruin the whole point? |
| 21:58.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: You have to tick a box and then click OK now |
| 21:58.33 | msaraiva | "Searching for partitions...100%" |
| 21:58.36 | msaraiva | And then exits. |
| 21:58.42 | msaraiva | "ESC pressed" |
| 21:58.55 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: Maemo has a system for doing it "properly" even... |
| 21:58.55 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Ah, true - I'd seen it, but not thought it through |
| 21:59.01 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: its still beta isnt it, its not final. |
| 21:59.14 | msaraiva | Should i clear the SD card first? |
| 21:59.17 | zakkm | can easily change |
| 21:59.20 | zakkm | msaraiva: doesnt matter |
| 21:59.25 | zakkm | it uses fdisk to clear |
| 21:59.41 | msaraiva | Dunno why is it exiting, then... |
| 21:59.52 | zakkm | try pbeasy |
| 22:00.33 | msaraiva | Humm |
| 22:00.41 | msaraiva | What's the fat partition used for? |
| 22:00.52 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: there wasnt much time anyways 43-7 came out and install-tools didnt work... had to do it fast so ppl could update |
| 22:00.53 | msaraiva | So i can decide the size... |
| 22:00.58 | zakkm | msaraiva: swap mostly |
| 22:01.01 | msaraiva | Humm |
| 22:01.04 | zakkm | make it like 128mb |
| 22:01.08 | msaraiva | 256mb should be enough. |
| 22:01.17 | zakkm | you make 2 fat's and 1 ext3 |
| 22:01.17 | msaraiva | It's a big card, 16gb. |
| 22:01.20 | zakkm | oh |
| 22:01.25 | msaraiva | Why 2 fat partitions? |
| 22:01.25 | zakkm | do 256mb 256mb "rest" |
| 22:01.36 | zakkm | no idea |
| 22:01.46 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: I've never used it. My preferred cloning method involves bootmenu, mkfs.jffs2, a computer, and a lot of time :p |
| 22:02.02 | zakkm | well not everyone is so tech savvy :) |
| 22:02.12 | lcuk | clone device to device would be nice |
| 22:02.35 | qwerty12_N810 | Meh, it's stuff I picked up from that "Modifying root images" page on the wiki :p |
| 22:02.50 | lcuk | shhh dont tell people you read |
| 22:03.00 | lcuk | you have a neo like zen |
| 22:03.04 | lcuk | and you just know stuff |
| 22:03.08 | msaraiva | I've read such guides on the web...doesn't look hard. |
| 22:03.16 | msaraiva | But i don't have much time left, gotta go to college. |
| 22:03.22 | msaraiva | :P |
| 22:03.38 | lcuk | cant build a library using scratchbox |
| 22:03.43 | lcuk | it fails to configure |
| 22:03.51 | zakkm | msaraiva: you on holiday? friend is on holiday from uni due to "Swine flu" |
| 22:04.04 | zakkm | oh waittt maybe hes back maybe thats why i havent seen him on today |
| 22:04.29 | msaraiva | No, thank's God we don't have many cases up here, on Ceará. |
| 22:04.43 | lcuk | irc quarantine for swine flu |
| 22:04.49 | lcuk | that should stop the spread |
| 22:05.04 | msaraiva | Damn... |
| 22:05.07 | zakkm | heh |
| 22:05.15 | msaraiva | pbeasy closes itself when i select "clone' |
| 22:05.22 | zakkm | friend went to vancouver shes like im scared :( swine flu cases... i started laughing :) |
| 22:05.38 | zakkm | msaraiva: dont select it use the touchscreen to select it |
| 22:05.53 | zakkm | and then just enter, gotta be real careful, pissed the hell out of me , its so a n810 app |
| 22:05.53 | msaraiva | Tried doing that too. |
| 22:06.08 | msaraiva | Lemme try again... |
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| 22:07.00 | msaraiva | Keeps exiting |
| 22:10.50 | msaraiva | Hummm |
| 22:10.57 | msaraiva | Found out the script used... |
| 22:11.23 | msaraiva | But i need root access first :S |
| 22:11.35 | qwerty12_N810 | ~root-access |
| 22:11.36 | infobot | hmm... root-access is http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 22:12.31 | msaraiva | Thanks, i was already looking at the wiki. |
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| 22:15.19 | msaraiva | Lol, it's the script that's not working, not pbeasy |
| 22:16.30 | msaraiva | So, pbeasy does not work on my device... |
| 22:16.33 | msaraiva | On to manual cloning. |
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| 22:17.39 | zakkm | wow powercut -.- |
| 22:21.02 | msaraiva | lol... |
| 22:21.06 | msaraiva | Running from ssh worked. |
| 22:21.19 | msaraiva | It's formatting the filesystems. |
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| 22:21.29 | zakkm | pb from ssh? |
| 22:22.32 | msaraiva | Yep. |
| 22:22.48 | msaraiva | The last step is "shutdown", so i should be good. |
| 22:22.49 | msaraiva | hehehe |
| 22:23.04 | msaraiva | It's cloning the flash. |
| 22:23.08 | zakkm | i hope :P |
| 22:23.10 | zakkm | lol |
| 22:23.16 | zakkm | well you didnt get that right :P |
| 22:23.53 | msaraiva | Really, i skipped my Data Structures class to mess on this thing :P |
| 22:23.59 | zakkm | btw you hold menu key as its starting to boot :P |
| 22:24.14 | zakkm | turn on tablet.. hold menu key and boot menu appears |
| 22:24.16 | msaraiva | To make it display the boot menu? |
| 22:24.18 | msaraiva | Humm |
| 22:24.19 | msaraiva | Nice... |
| 22:24.40 | msaraiva | If i don't hold the menu key, it boots straight to the internal flash? |
| 22:25.15 | zakkm | ah guess so :P |
| 22:25.27 | zakkm | mine goes to menu for two seconds... then goes to flash |
| 22:25.37 | zakkm | guess yours didnt |
| 22:27.51 | msaraiva | 99%... |
| 22:28.02 | msaraiva | I've set it to wait 10 seconds. |
| 22:28.18 | msaraiva | Err... |
| 22:28.25 | msaraiva | Cloning failed, it may not be reliable. |
| 22:28.26 | msaraiva | :S |
| 22:28.26 | zakkm | heh |
| 22:28.30 | zakkm | it said failed? |
| 22:28.37 | zakkm | first boot usually fails |
| 22:28.38 | msaraiva | Yep |
| 22:28.45 | zakkm | restart and do it again |
| 22:28.45 | msaraiva | And it said it's going to reboot |
| 22:28.48 | msaraiva | lol |
| 22:28.49 | zakkm | oh |
| 22:28.49 | msaraiva | it worked |
| 22:28.52 | zakkm | wow |
| 22:29.26 | msaraiva | No, i have the boot menu, but it didn't clone the fs. |
| 22:29.38 | msaraiva | Well, i think it's the only step missing. |
| 22:30.10 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: "Make sure the name of the binary package that gets built is the same as the package name." not a good idea IMO |
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| 22:31.31 | jaem | hey folks |
| 22:31.53 | zakkm | hey jaem! :D |
| 22:33.30 | jaem | I'm still working on the port of Einstein |
| 22:33.45 | jaem | or will be when I get NX to stop being stupid, so I can access my SDK VM... |
| 22:34.05 | jaem | and there was some discussion on the forums about which key would work best for a right-click modifier |
| 22:34.25 | jaem | I was originally thinking that the full-screen button would work, but it's not good for lefties |
| 22:34.50 | jaem | so I figure I should offer at least two options |
| 22:34.56 | jaem | any suggestions for left-handed play? |
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| 22:38.34 | mikkov_ | jaem: you could use any key which is not used for anything else. That would most likely work even with maemo5 device |
| 22:39.13 | mikkov_ | rx-51 apparently doesn't have fullscreen key (not sure though) |
| 22:39.17 | jaem | mikkov_: yes, I realize, but while I can add features later, I was hoping to find a good lefty key, so that I could just provide two choices for now |
| 22:39.24 | johnsq | mikkov_: is the right-click time critical? |
| 22:39.58 | mikkov_ | johnsq: for einstein? I have no idea, never played it |
| 22:40.29 | johnsq | mikkov_: yes, normaly right-click is done by long-click on tablets |
| 22:40.52 | mikkov_ | jaem: compare picuteres of N800 and N810 and choose there. There isn't much options |
| 22:41.12 | mikkov_ | johnsq: that sucks most of the time |
| 22:41.20 | jaem | johnsq: this is an SDL app - tap-and-hold doesn't work in it |
| 22:41.24 | jaem | hence the problem |
| 22:41.37 | mikkov_ | jaem: you can make it work if you really want to |
| 22:41.42 | jaem | mikkov_: how so? |
| 22:42.10 | mikkov_ | jaem: but using modifier key is much better in games |
| 22:42.19 | jaem | mikkov_: good point |
| 22:42.50 | johnsq | jaem: just rotate the display for left-handers |
| 22:43.31 | jaem | johnsq: that would work, but holding the tablet steady and pressing the full-screen button isn't as easy as I'd like |
| 22:43.36 | mikkov_ | jaem: tap'n'hold is just a long mouse button press. count the how long button is pressed and thereÃ's tap'nhold |
| 22:43.38 | jaem | it's probably the best I'll get, though |
| 22:43.40 | javispedro | doesn't fremantle now use simulated multitouch for context menu/right click? |
| 22:43.49 | javispedro | it should be easy to detect in SDL. |
| 22:44.06 | jaem | johnsq: can I trigger the screen rotation in program easily? |
| 22:44.12 | jaem | in my* |
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| 22:45.20 | javispedro | oprofile rules! |
| 22:45.21 | javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/d43c3890f |
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| 22:45.37 | johnsq | jaem: on desktop yes, with maemo i don't know, its xrandr. |
| 22:45.50 | jaem | johnsq: ah right... I'll check into that |
| 22:45.50 | javispedro | save for that wierd c++ destructor consuming 40% of cpu time, which I don't believe right now... |
| 22:47.07 | mikkov_ | maemo4 doesn''t support xrandr, it would require apatched xserver |
| 22:47.41 | qwerty12_N810 | You'd also have to "rotate" the keys too |
| 22:48.09 | qwerty12_N810 | (d-pad ones, that is) |
| 22:48.52 | jaem | qwerty12_N810; thanks, but this game doesn't use the D-Pad |
| 22:49.07 | jaem | mikkov_: the patches are easy to get, but I guess it wouldn't be good to rely on that |
| 22:49.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, fair enough :) |
| 22:49.27 | mikkov_ | mikkov_: exactly, you canÃ't rely on it |
| 22:49.32 | jaem | hmm |
| 22:49.43 | jaem | oh wait a minute |
| 22:49.48 | jaem | here's an idea |
| 22:50.19 | jaem | is the D-Pad center button mapped differently than the keyboard Enter key? |
| 22:50.29 | mikkov_ | it'd KP_ENTER |
| 22:50.33 | mikkov_ | it's |
| 22:50.37 | lardman|tv | night all |
| 22:50.39 | mikkov_ | no it RETURN |
| 22:50.56 | jaem | mikkov_: wait.. so, are they different, or not? |
| 22:50.59 | mikkov_ | N810 normal enter key is KP_ENTER |
| 22:51.07 | mikkov_ | d-pad center is RETURN |
| 22:51.13 | jaem | ah, okay |
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| 22:51.41 | jaem | so I could use the d-pad center for the modifier, and that would make N800 users happy, while not being much less convenient on the N810 |
| 22:51.49 | jaem | although that's still not perfect |
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| 22:53.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Me, being the selfish right handed prick that I am, has to ask: why are you modifying it for lefties? It's not like the tablet is designed with left-handed people in mind... |
| 22:53.18 | jaem | heh |
| 22:53.29 | jaem | that's true, but I'd prefer to make it work for everyone at least somewhat |
| 22:53.37 | jaem | although you have a point |
| 22:53.49 | javispedro | the only solution that may work for both is a touch-screen only one... |
| 22:54.01 | jaem | it's just that it's essentially impossible to play left-handed, using the full-screen button |
| 22:54.27 | jaem | javispedro: we're talking about a 12px target area, though, and tap-and-hold isn't practical |
| 22:54.31 | javispedro | what about some gesture |
| 22:54.35 | javispedro | tap and go left |
| 22:54.38 | jaem | 12px |
| 22:54.43 | jaem | not much to work with |
| 22:54.44 | javispedro | tap and drag left over the 12px mark. |
| 22:54.47 | jaem | hmm |
| 22:54.56 | jaem | yes, that would work |
| 22:54.58 | javispedro | 12px means stylus game I guess. |
| 22:55.04 | jaem | javispedro: yes |
| 22:55.37 | jaem | I'll make a note of that, but I wont' be able to work on this for several days, at least, due to surgery tomorrow; I'm trying to get it into shape for a release in the next hour or so |
| 22:55.38 | jaem | heh |
| 22:56.05 | jaem | I'll just use full-screen for now |
| 22:56.05 | jaem | but thanks for the idea |
| 22:56.16 | javispedro | good luck |
| 22:56.34 | mikkov_ | jaem: why don't use both fullscreen and dpad center |
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| 22:58.12 | jaem | mikkov_: sounds good |
| 22:58.26 | jaem | by the way, Nokia isn't to blame for the tablets not being left-handed-friendly |
| 22:58.29 | jaem | it's TI's fault |
| 22:59.00 | jaem | if they'd just release a left-handed OMAP. then Nokia could just flip everything, and making an alternate left-handed model would be more economical |
| 22:59.01 | jaem | ;) |
| 22:59.34 | zakkm | the tablet is 100% left handed friendly |
| 22:59.42 | zakkm | im left handed myself.. my right handed is so useless its not even funny |
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| 23:18.18 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, yes. |
| 23:19.06 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: just got installed the 0.16testing2 mer, and it requires usb networking, but the documentation is for linux. by /etc/networks.. would yu know how to do it for mac? |
| 23:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, you need to install a driver of some kind |
| 23:19.27 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure if it works on Intel |
| 23:19.41 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.lucid-cake.net/osx_zaurus_usb/index_en.html |
| 23:19.45 | jaem | GeneralAntilles: Darwin doesn't have support built in? |
| 23:19.53 | GeneralAntilles | Not sure what the story is. |
| 23:20.01 | GeneralAntilles | I was never able to get it to work anyway. |
| 23:22.21 | jaem | grr |
| 23:22.31 | jaem | the person who wrote this code alternately uses spaces and tabs |
| 23:22.50 | GeneralAntilles | I still believe neck tasers should be a requirement to use the internet. |
| 23:22.55 | jaem | isn't there a cli program that can clean up things like that? |
| 23:23.04 | jaem | GeneralAntilles: haha |
| 23:24.48 | zakkm | if i were to flash tablet in host mode, would that work in mer, or just maemo? |
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| 23:33.33 | jaem | zakkm: sorry, what? |
| 23:33.46 | zakkm | can the tablet be flashed in host only |
| 23:33.50 | jaem | do you mean switch the USB port into host mode, or flash the tablet while in host mode? |
| 23:33.52 | zakkm | so i can use keyboard in mer / maemo at boot |
| 23:33.58 | jaem | ohh |
| 23:34.23 | jaem | well, you can change modes by manipulating a /proc entry, so it shouldn't be hard |
| 23:34.23 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:34.29 | jaem | hmm |
| 23:34.30 | jaem | oh that |
| 23:34.31 | zakkm | is that for maemo though |
| 23:34.34 | zakkm | or all OS's on device |
| 23:34.46 | jaem | I would think that if it's in the flasher, it would be a hardware setting, but I'm not sure |
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| 23:34.52 | jaem | why do you need it at boot? |
| 23:34.56 | zakkm | for mer |
| 23:35.04 | zakkm | new 0.16testing2 doesnt accept virtualkeyboard |
| 23:35.10 | zakkm | at first boot wizard |
| 23:35.14 | zakkm | so i need to get past it |
| 23:35.16 | jaem | okay - I haven't been following along |
| 23:35.30 | jaem | well, you could alternately add a startup script that uses the /proc trick |
| 23:35.39 | qwerty12_N810 | AFAIK, That flasher option is for the 770, where the USB mode cannot be manipulated with a sysfs entry |
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| 23:35.53 | zakkm | but can it still work on n800 and used in mer? |
| 23:36.02 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, vim? |
| 23:36.20 | jaem | GeneralAntilles: heh... probably |
| 23:36.23 | GeneralAntilles | zakkm, flasher has to be done in client. |
| 23:36.27 | jaem | I'll get around to learning vim at some point |
| 23:36.32 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, I'm pretty sure I saw a recipe somewhere. |
| 23:36.32 | jaem | I just keep putting it off |
| 23:36.43 | zakkm | GeneralAntilles: so it wont work? |
| 23:37.00 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, you don't know how many times I opened up vimtutor before I actually got through it. . . . |
| 23:37.00 | jaem | I had to laugh when I opened a nano instance for my friend (who's a long-time vim user), and he was quite confused |
| 23:37.12 | GeneralAntilles | jaem, :retab maybe. |
| 23:37.16 | jaem | nice |
| 23:37.17 | jaem | thanks |
| 23:37.29 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/change.html#:retab |
| 23:37.59 | GeneralAntilles | vim is one of those hatefully complicated, but incredibly useful tools that take just too much damn time to learn. |
| 23:38.13 | jaem | yeah |
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| 23:39.56 | krzysz00 | i can't ping on a usb network setup from my nokia n800 to my ubuntu jaunty pc |
| 23:40.26 | jaem | krzysz00: how do you have it set up? |
| 23:40.32 | jaem | did you follow a specific guide? |
| 23:42.05 | krzysz00 | the "USB networking" wiki page |
| 23:42.16 | krzysz00 | i have a wireless card on eth1 btw |
| 23:42.26 | jaem | give me a moment |
| 23:42.32 | divide_by_zero | gst-launch-0.10 dsppcmsrc ! autoaudiosink |
| 23:42.42 | divide_by_zero | isn't that fun??? |
| 23:42.50 | jaem | I don't have a Jaunty box handy at the moment, but I've been doing this for a while :P |
| 23:43.07 | jaem | krzysz00; what are your IP settings on both ends? |
| 23:45.35 | krzysz00 | host: (real lan; ip: 192.168.1.194 gateway: 192.168.1.1) (usb0: 192.168.2.14) tablet: ip 192.168.2.15 |
| 23:46.15 | jaem | krzysz00: what's the output of the route command on the host? |
| 23:46.46 | krzysz00 | 192.168.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 23:46.46 | krzysz00 | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 eth1 |
| 23:46.46 | krzysz00 | link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 usb0 |
| 23:46.46 | krzysz00 | default Wireless_Broadb 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 23:46.49 | krzysz00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.25 | jaem | hrm |
| 23:48.08 | jaem | I've never had that link-local entry, although networking isn't my forte, so it may be fine |
| 23:50.20 | GeneralAntilles | PS3 Slim looks nice. Too bad the PS3 still doesn't have any games. |
| 23:52.48 | krzysz00 | wonder what's going on |
| 23:53.07 | jaem | krzysz00: I'm not entirely sure, and I have to go any minute now |
| 23:53.08 | jaem | sorry |
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