| 00:00.00 | javispedro | i was waiting for mxr.maemo.org to finish a search, but it's still going on :P |
| 00:00.18 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:00.27 | lcuk | i heard something about timeless rerunning it |
| 00:00.32 | lcuk | so the server might be busy |
| 00:00.55 | javispedro | ah, probably |
| 00:01.20 | javispedro | then I'd better stop and look for source code to steal somewhere else ;) |
| 00:01.45 | lcuk | its good looking through code |
| 00:02.03 | lcuk | its even better writing new |
| 00:02.43 | lcuk | i want my sketches to rotate |
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| 00:27.37 | Macer | heh |
| 00:27.47 | Macer | maybe mer works better outside the gui |
| 00:28.34 | javispedro | did you just build abiword already ;) ? |
| 00:30.09 | Macer | lol |
| 00:30.10 | Macer | no |
| 00:30.14 | Macer | i paused for a while |
| 00:30.22 | Macer | and am going to try to see if i can get mer to be usable |
| 00:30.26 | Macer | the gui is really bad off |
| 00:30.51 | Macer | stock it doesn't really have much, and what it does have kind of doesn't wrok very well |
| 00:30.56 | Macer | i like the way it looks though |
| 00:31.07 | Macer | and using the top of the screen for most of the options is pretty nice |
| 00:31.19 | Macer | but the actual apps.. something is screwy |
| 00:31.31 | Macer | like when i tried to edit the application launching menu |
| 00:31.36 | Macer | so i went into control panel |
| 00:31.39 | Macer | and i couldn't click on anything |
| 00:31.42 | Macer | nor could i exit it |
| 00:31.43 | zerojayPC | Mer's young, but I like the direction it's heading. It's too bad it's not what I would consider day-to-day usable... but knowing the people working on it... it'll get there. |
| 00:31.59 | Macer | it was doing the same thing that the network manager was doing |
| 00:32.09 | Macer | so it's more of a base gui issue than just one app does it |
| 00:32.16 | Macer | zerojayPC: i'm sure it's a lot better to use ssh'd into |
| 00:32.17 | Macer | ;) |
| 00:32.40 | Macer | but the gui.... |
| 00:32.42 | Macer | wow |
| 00:32.55 | Macer | is ther a way to put maemo hildon on it? |
| 00:32.56 | Macer | :) |
| 00:33.01 | Macer | like the complete thing? |
| 00:33.18 | Macer | instead of using the default mer gui? |
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| 00:41.50 | zerojayPC | Being v0.15... It's a little early for me to jump on the Mer team's backs about UI. :) |
| 00:43.08 | Macer | heh |
| 00:43.26 | Macer | bullshit! it's been a year! |
| 00:43.30 | Macer | lol. just kidding. |
| 00:43.38 | zerojayPC | Has it been a year already? lol |
| 00:43.41 | Macer | haha |
| 00:43.46 | Macer | oh now we're changing our mind huh? |
| 00:44.20 | zerojayPC | Yeah, when I get to Maemo Summit, I'm gonna body slam 'em all! |
| 00:44.22 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 00:44.33 | zerojayPC | Seriously though.. has it already been a year? |
| 00:46.01 | VDVsx | zerojayPC, not yet |
| 00:46.47 | VDVsx | but in October at the summit, yes :) |
| 00:46.52 | zerojayPC | I only recently started checking out Mer. It's still early, but it's got a ton of potential. |
| 00:47.12 | zerojayPC | And I have to say that I was completely *shocked* when I saw the list of people working on it on the Mer wiki page. |
| 00:47.16 | VDVsx | see:http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule/Day_2#Mer:_A_year_after |
| 00:47.33 | zerojayPC | clicks the Thanks! button. |
| 00:48.18 | zerojayPC | If I actually get to the Summit, I'll be sure to be there for that talk. |
| 00:48.23 | VDVsx | zerojayPC, most of them don't work anymore in a regular basis (my case), and other just have the name there :P |
| 00:48.46 | VDVsx | S/other/others/ |
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| 00:52.44 | zerojayPC | Yeah, that's always going to be the case for some, but even considering that... wow. |
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| 00:56.31 | VDVsx | I would say 10-15 active members, but Stskeeps can give a more correct number :) |
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| 00:57.13 | GeneralAntilles | probably needs to explain why it's not necessary for every project to be in Garage. |
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| 00:58.03 | zerojayPC | :) |
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| 00:59.11 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, for me, every project would be in garage |
| 00:59.17 | lcuk | but when i cannot use git from the device |
| 00:59.19 | lcuk | wtf can i do |
| 00:59.59 | lcuk | github is great tho |
| 01:00.23 | lcuk | likes the little graph of activity |
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| 01:43.54 | Macer | ok seriously |
| 01:44.11 | Macer | i just tried to ssh to my mer install |
| 01:44.16 | Macer | it asked me to change my password |
| 01:44.21 | Macer | so i did |
| 01:44.27 | Macer | then it closed the connection |
| 01:44.31 | Macer | and when i login with the new password |
| 01:44.41 | Macer | it asks me to make a new one again |
| 01:44.45 | Macer | and when it asks for my old one |
| 01:44.50 | Macer | i type it in and it closes the connection |
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| 01:48.12 | Macer | wow are you kidding me |
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| 02:26.47 | Macer | yah. think i'll wait til mer gets to 1.0 |
| 02:26.49 | Macer | hehe |
| 02:27.00 | Macer | then again though. by then i might have an n900 running nokia's maemo :) |
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| 02:32.32 | GreyFoxx | Anyone know of any sort of app for "red shifting" the screen on an n810 as a sort of nighttime mode ? |
| 02:33.12 | Macer | lol |
| 02:33.20 | Macer | haha. you trying to go tactical with your n810? |
| 02:33.30 | mmu_screen | xgamma -rgamma something ? |
| 02:33.36 | Macer | i never understood that when i was in iraq. i guess a red light is darker ? :) |
| 02:33.51 | GreyFoxx | no, using it while out with my telescope, andf red doesnt ruin your night vision like white and such |
| 02:33.52 | Macer | in hte middle of the desert.. it is pretty hard to not notice even a red light at night time |
| 02:33.59 | Macer | ah. ok |
| 02:34.17 | mmu_screen | oh cool it actually works on my athlon, never tried it |
| 02:34.26 | GreyFoxx | after your eyes have adjusted even a small glance at a white light ruins it and you need another 30 minutes to get it back :) |
| 02:34.47 | Macer | do some lsd |
| 02:34.48 | Macer | ;) |
| 02:34.48 | mmu_screen | xgamma -rgamma 1.0 -ggamma 0.5 -bgamma 0.5 |
| 02:34.55 | mmu_screen | of course you'll need X11... |
| 02:34.56 | GreyFoxx | I have a bunch of star maps on it as well as listing to mp3s while use the scope |
| 02:34.58 | Macer | that will keep the pupils open |
| 02:35.03 | GreyFoxx | heh |
| 02:35.12 | mmu_screen | need to add gamma support to Haiku someday, it's fully |
| 02:35.27 | Macer | how old did the inventor of lsd live? |
| 02:35.31 | Macer | like.. to 103 or something? |
| 02:35.41 | Macer | someone should do research into that |
| 02:35.52 | Macer | maybe there was a relationship between lsd and long life |
| 02:36.01 | GreyFoxx | mmu_screen: I assume getting X11 is uite a lot of work and not something I can just popon and use in the next half hour ?:) |
| 02:36.07 | Macer | leave it to the government to shun science in favor of christian votes |
| 02:36.14 | Macer | points to stem cells |
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| 02:50.47 | fureddo | I need assistance with the building of my deb file. Anyone is familiar with the following procedure? http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node14.html |
| 02:52.57 | fureddo | One point that I don't understand well is the setting of the DESTDIR in the install: section. |
| 02:54.22 | fureddo | The deb file that I generate is too empty. Files are missing. I think it's related to the DESTDIR setting. |
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| 03:38.36 | Macer | anybody knwo why i can't remount initfs as rw? |
| 03:49.15 | fureddo | The deb file I'm creating when issuing the command dpkg-buildpackage does not contain the .desktop file? How can I specify that? |
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| 03:55.53 | Macer | ARGHafjl |
| 03:57.23 | johnx | allo |
| 03:58.22 | Macer | johnx: tell me why /mnt/initfs won't remount rw |
| 03:58.23 | Macer | :) |
| 03:58.32 | johnx | what does it say? |
| 03:58.53 | Macer | nothing when i try to remount |
| 03:59.01 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.08 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.08 | Macer | it wno't go rw for me :( |
| 04:00.48 | johnx | hmm? so how do you know it's not rw? |
| 04:01.01 | Macer | :/mnt/initfs# mkdir test |
| 04:01.01 | Macer | mkdir: cannot create directory 'test': No space left on device |
| 04:01.13 | johnx | uhm, because it's full |
| 04:01.24 | johnx | look at the line you just pasted |
| 04:01.34 | Macer | how is that possible? :) |
| 04:02.01 | johnx | "how do filesystems become full?" is a little outside of my scope to answer |
| 04:02.06 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 04:02.17 | Macer | well. i'm just saying what would i have put there that woudl have filled it up like that? |
| 04:02.29 | Macer | that just seems like something that would always have a little space left |
| 04:03.21 | Macer | i'm looking for something i can rm. is there a way to make initfs a little larger? |
| 04:03.36 | johnx | nope, it's on a fixed size partition |
| 04:05.18 | Macer | i guess i just have to find something that i can rm? |
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| 04:06.02 | johnx | yup |
| 04:06.06 | johnx | are you using bootmenu? |
| 04:06.11 | Macer | yes |
| 04:06.14 | johnx | huh |
| 04:06.18 | Macer | mv: cannot rename 'more': No such file or directory |
| 04:06.35 | johnx | as part of the bootmenu install it should remove enough stuff to give you room to play |
| 04:06.52 | Macer | yeah. i chose to remove the "unnecessary stuff" |
| 04:06.59 | Macer | let me refresh and make sure |
| 04:07.24 | johnx | if it were me, I'd reinstall bootmenu let it have it's fun, then reboot, then look at initfs again |
| 04:07.41 | Macer | that's what i'm doing now |
| 04:08.00 | Macer | strange |
| 04:11.11 | Macer | wtf |
| 04:11.16 | Macer | johnx: ok thanks |
| 04:11.21 | Macer | think if found out the problem |
| 04:12.10 | johnx | :) |
| 04:12.37 | Macer | refresh_bootmenu.d doesn't remove the extra stuff |
| 04:14.00 | Macer | hopefully running the version mer installed will give me the damn 200KB i need :-P |
| 04:14.22 | johnx | what do you need 200KB for? |
| 04:14.33 | Macer | putting fb modules in |
| 04:14.35 | Macer | for gentoo |
| 04:14.48 | johnx | fureddo, could you post your rules file? |
| 04:15.06 | johnx | Macer, why put them in initfs? |
| 04:15.10 | Macer | i sure hope this does it |
| 04:15.25 | Macer | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/boot |
| 04:15.27 | fureddo | johnx, Sure. |
| 04:16.20 | Macer | nope |
| 04:16.25 | Macer | it still shows me 4.0MB with 0 free |
| 04:16.26 | Macer | wtf |
| 04:17.54 | Macer | i don't get this |
| 04:18.33 | johnx | jffs2 is a PITA |
| 04:18.40 | fureddo | johnx, http://pastebin.com/d294b1c39 |
| 04:18.52 | Macer | rm: cannot remove 'libgcc_s.so': No space left on device |
| 04:19.01 | Macer | ok |
| 04:19.05 | Macer | that right there made like no sense :) |
| 04:19.57 | Macer | can't remove because there is no space? |
| 04:19.58 | Macer | haha |
| 04:20.16 | johnx | fureddo, is your foo.desktop file and the other missing files somewhere under debian/tomotko ? |
| 04:21.19 | Macer | omg |
| 04:21.24 | Macer | i can't believe of all the stupid problems |
| 04:21.29 | fureddo | johnx, I tried to put some files in there and they are not considered. As soon as I do dpkg-buildpackage, the content of the debian/tomotko directory is overwriten. |
| 04:21.30 | Macer | i can't remount initfs |
| 04:22.52 | Macer | this tablet has me about to throw it into a wall |
| 04:23.11 | johnx | fureddo, right. that directory is created as part of dpkg-buildpackage. After your run dpkg-buildpackage is your foo.desktop in debian/tomotko? |
| 04:23.25 | johnx | Macer, if mount -o rw,remount /mnt/initfs gives no error then it remounted |
| 04:23.31 | johnx | no space left != read only fs |
| 04:23.55 | fureddo | johnx, No. That's my problem. |
| 04:24.40 | johnx | ok, then look at the output of dpkg-buildpackage and see if it mentions the .desktop file at any point |
| 04:24.54 | fureddo | johnx, Ok, *checking* |
| 04:25.05 | johnx | might want to log it to a file "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot &> build.log" |
| 04:25.30 | Macer | johnx: then why can't i rm stuff off it? |
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| 04:25.52 | Macer | "no removing. the disk is full" |
| 04:25.52 | Macer | haha |
| 04:26.02 | johnx | jffs2 is a PITA :) |
| 04:26.11 | johnx | check dmesg, see if there's anything helpful |
| 04:26.17 | fureddo | johnx, I will paste the content of build.log. |
| 04:26.27 | Macer | one sec. i'm trying the latest init_flash |
| 04:27.13 | Macer | maytbe mine was broken |
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| 04:29.45 | fureddo | johnx, http://pastebin.com/d6a4fefc3 |
| 04:30.25 | fureddo | johnx, No mention of .desktop anywhere in the log file. |
| 04:30.37 | zacek | hi there, im new using N810 |
| 04:30.57 | zacek | how can i use the handwriting? |
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| 04:32.59 | Macer | i'm about to start from scratch over this crap :) |
| 04:33.03 | johnx | zacek, I think it's in settings -> control panel -> text input settings -> on screen -> enable stylus input methods |
| 04:34.47 | Macer | yah screw it |
| 04:35.01 | Macer | i'm going to just but the stock stuff on this thing and start from scratch and try again |
| 04:35.02 | johnx | fureddo, is there a .desktop file anywhere in the source tree? |
| 04:35.07 | Macer | i can't figure out why this initfs won't let me write to it |
| 04:35.11 | johnx | find ./ -name *.desktop |
| 04:35.23 | Macer | there isn't anything letting me know |
| 04:35.41 | johnx | Macer, did you check dmesg? |
| 04:35.44 | Macer | yea |
| 04:36.01 | fureddo | johnx, Well, not really. I have one in a /etc/deb directory that need to be copied somewhere. I just don't know where to copy it. |
| 04:36.02 | Macer | there isn't anything in there related to initfs or mtdblock4 |
| 04:36.17 | Macer | can i possibly boot from the sd and try to mount it from there? |
| 04:36.36 | johnx | fureddo, aaah, well that's easier then :) |
| 04:36.44 | johnx | Macer, why do you need to shove that huge module in initfs? |
| 04:37.04 | Macer | well. it is what the instructions say to do in order to get fb working in gentoo |
| 04:37.13 | Macer | i was just messing around about the size |
| 04:37.18 | Macer | it probably isn't that large at all |
| 04:37.20 | johnx | fureddo, let me get you a couple lines to add to rules. need to remember them first :) |
| 04:37.34 | fureddo | johnx, ok |
| 04:37.35 | Macer | but i can't remount this amn initfs as rw |
| 04:38.13 | johnx | Macer, listen to me: it is remounted |
| 04:38.24 | Macer | heh |
| 04:38.28 | johnx | jffs2 can get into a state where you can't modify it "online" |
| 04:38.41 | Macer | it's offline now ;) |
| 04:38.42 | johnx | you can make yourself a jffs2 image and flash it back |
| 04:38.43 | Macer | i just boot frmo the sd |
| 04:39.00 | johnx | that's about the simplest way |
| 04:39.14 | johnx | and yes, anytime you're trying to write to a mounted initfs it is "online" |
| 04:39.30 | johnx | now, put the modules on the root of your sd card and load them from there: problem solved |
| 04:40.08 | Macer | well. the modules have to load on boot in order to make sure fbconsole can work with gentoo |
| 04:40.18 | johnx | yes |
| 04:40.21 | Macer | and i guess it reads the module from initfs in order to load them |
| 04:40.26 | johnx | yeah |
| 04:40.29 | zacek | thnks johnx, but i still cant handwrite in the notepas |
| 04:40.35 | Macer | so how does putting them on the sd help? :) |
| 04:40.40 | johnx | Macer, so load them later -> you get console later |
| 04:41.00 | johnx | zacek, look up xournal or maemopad+ |
| 04:41.14 | johnx | better notepads that support "drawing" or handwriting notes |
| 04:41.19 | johnx | no character recognition though |
| 04:41.49 | johnx | zacek, but you got the "handwriting" thing to work right? and that's not what you want? |
| 04:42.25 | Macer | johnx: how is mtdblock4 mounted as /mnt/initfs and / ? |
| 04:42.39 | Macer | meaning.. how can i mount the place it reads when it boots? |
| 04:43.11 | zacek | yes johnx, the handwrite is working on my N810 |
| 04:43.12 | johnx | you can mount a dev in as many places as you want |
| 04:43.40 | Macer | then why is there one showing me 4MB and one showing me 256MB |
| 04:43.42 | johnx | zacek, ok. I recommend xournal for "written" notes and quicknote for typed notes both should be on maemo.org/downloads |
| 04:43.45 | zacek | but i would like to use it instead of the keyboard |
| 04:43.51 | Macer | with the one with 4MB being the one containing the modules |
| 04:43.52 | Macer | ? |
| 04:43.58 | johnx | Macer, one's rootfs, one's initfs |
| 04:44.04 | johnx | probably lying about what device it really is |
| 04:44.12 | zacek | ill try, thnks |
| 04:44.14 | Macer | how can i mount the initfs if i am not using it? |
| 04:44.37 | Macer | if i boot from the sd how can i mount the initfs? |
| 04:44.42 | Macer | since the device name is thesame as the rootfs? |
| 04:45.25 | johnx | Macer, but it's not really the same device name |
| 04:45.29 | johnx | mount is lying to you |
| 04:45.36 | johnx | I think initfs is /dev/mtdblock2 maybe? |
| 04:45.39 | johnx | or 3? |
| 04:45.43 | johnx | root is 4 |
| 04:46.03 | johnx | zacek, ah, if you're not seeing the handwriting pad at all, then when the small keyboard comes up onscreen, click the bottom left button -> input methods -> handwriting |
| 04:46.12 | johnx | sorry if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying |
| 04:47.41 | Macer | nope |
| 04:47.42 | Macer | that was right |
| 04:47.46 | Macer | it won't mount as a rw filesystem |
| 04:47.52 | Macer | it's 3 ;) |
| 04:47.56 | Macer | rm: cannot remove 'libgcc_s.so': Read-only file system |
| 04:47.59 | johnx | fureddo, you might want to get the source to someone else's debian package as an example. maybe maemopad |
| 04:48.34 | johnx | I think the line for installing your own files is something like: |
| 04:49.00 | johnx | install -d $(CURDIR)/debian/tomotko/usr/share/applications/hildon-desktop |
| 04:49.08 | Macer | yeah i'm going to have to make my own initfs and i don't know how to do that |
| 04:49.28 | johnx | install -m644 foo.desktop $(CURDIR)/debian/tomotko/usr/share/applications/hildon-desktop/foo.desktop |
| 04:50.05 | johnx | Macer, look at the bootmenu install script |
| 04:50.08 | johnx | has all the answers |
| 04:50.09 | johnx | .. |
| 04:50.40 | johnx | *but* it should be easier to install whatever program you want inside of maemo rather than install a whole different distro :D |
| 04:50.47 | fureddo | johnx, Where can I find the maemopad deb file? In the repository under the source directory? |
| 04:51.00 | johnx | yes |
| 04:51.04 | johnx | I'll find you a link |
| 04:51.35 | johnx | for those too "install ..." lines, if you use them, put them above the "make DESTDIR=... install" line |
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| 04:52.17 | fureddo | johnx, I thought it was something like that. Curiously, the documentation omit to mention it. |
| 04:52.45 | johnx | most programs come with their own .desktop file |
| 04:53.00 | johnx | and it gets installed by make install |
| 04:53.28 | fureddo | johnx, I found a file maemopadplus |
| 04:53.35 | johnx | ok |
| 04:53.39 | johnx | or maemopad is here: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/diablo/free/m/maemopad/ |
| 04:54.05 | Macer | johnx: i think i will just try without the modules for now |
| 04:54.11 | Macer | hopefully they aren't REQUIRED just to boot :) |
| 04:54.24 | johnx | Macer, lol, well you won't have a console, but go ahead |
| 04:54.44 | johnx | put them on the rootfs and load them from there. so much easier |
| 04:55.52 | Macer | i'm trying to boot from it though |
| 04:55.58 | Macer | how would putting it on the rootfs of another fs help? |
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| 04:56.04 | johnx | boot from what? |
| 04:56.07 | johnx | what are you booting from? |
| 04:56.13 | Macer | another partition running gentoo |
| 04:56.18 | johnx | put them where you're booting from |
| 04:56.19 | johnx | problem solved |
| 04:56.30 | Macer | and how do i load them in bootmenu? |
| 04:56.46 | Macer | i would figure that i'd need to have them loaded before gentoo boots |
| 04:57.00 | johnx | you don't need them loaded before gentoo |
| 04:57.13 | johnx | it's just you can't see anything until they're loaded |
| 04:57.23 | Macer | that is so ghetto ;) |
| 04:57.24 | johnx | so load them right after you switch to the partition gentoo is on |
| 04:57.44 | johnx | yeah, turns out ghetto = practical a lot of the time |
| 04:57.48 | Macer | haha |
| 04:57.57 | johnx | and elegant = " a waste of Macer's friday night" :P |
| 04:58.07 | Macer | checks to see if johnx is on the Mer dev team |
| 04:58.09 | Macer | =) |
| 04:58.25 | johnx | you should see my kernel hacks :> |
| 04:58.30 | Macer | lol |
| 04:58.38 | Macer | just shovel it out huh? |
| 04:58.48 | fureddo | johnx, Maemopad uses a Makefile.am that refers to .links file in debian directory that refers to the .desktop file. I've seen something about that on another website. Maybe that will fix the problem. |
| 04:59.00 | johnx | ah |
| 04:59.06 | johnx | fureddo, yeah you could do it that way |
| 04:59.06 | Macer | i honestly think i am going to go ahead and reflash the device and start over and hope that clears up whatever is preventing the jffs2 initfs from mounting rw |
| 04:59.30 | Macer | which would suck but better that it works right |
| 04:59.57 | Macer | yeah.. i think i'll take that route :) |
| 04:59.58 | johnx | Macer, lol. well it's your time |
| 05:00.05 | Macer | yah. but i want it to work |
| 05:00.14 | johnx | Macer, just so you know, I was one of the earlier people getting debian booting because I was willing to go with the less elegant approach as long as it consistently worked |
| 05:00.14 | fureddo | johnx, I wonder if the Makefile.am will provoke a conflict with the Makefile that has been generated by qmake... Anyway, I will give it a try. |
| 05:00.33 | johnx | fureddo, if it was me, I'd use the install ... lines I posted |
| 05:00.41 | Macer | and the learning curve to figure out how to make my own jffs2 would take just as long as starting over and fixing whatever broke the jffs2 initfs to begin with |
| 05:00.44 | johnx | I don't think qmake and Makefile.am go together |
| 05:01.03 | fureddo | johnx, Ok, I will try it first. And google for it too in case someone has blogged about this solution. |
| 05:01.20 | johnx | let me find a better example debian source... |
| 05:01.57 | Macer | or! |
| 05:02.03 | Macer | i can find a kernel with fb support built in :) |
| 05:02.17 | fureddo | johnx, Ok. That would be appreciated. Because the desktop file is just one file. I have other files to be copied in a very similar way, I guess. |
| 05:02.27 | Macer | and flash that to the device instead of worrying about the modules |
| 05:02.37 | fureddo | johnx, The other files are config files and translation files. |
| 05:02.43 | johnx | fureddo, I've used the "install ..." method quite a bit |
| 05:02.55 | fureddo | johnx, Good. It gives me hope. |
| 05:02.57 | Macer | johnx: where would i find a new maemo kernel that might have it? would you know? |
| 05:03.00 | johnx | you can do whole directories at a time with that method |
| 05:03.45 | johnx | Macer, I was going to make one, but I decided the easiest way was to load the modules from the same filesystem I was loading debian from |
| 05:03.52 | johnx | so I never bothered |
| 05:03.56 | johnx | there's a thread about it |
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| 05:04.45 | Macer | haha |
| 05:04.49 | Macer | damn |
| 05:04.58 | Macer | ponders |
| 05:05.04 | johnx | been there, done that. that's why I'm giving advice :) |
| 05:05.05 | Macer | maybe i should just download the sdk and make my own kernel |
| 05:05.22 | Macer | i figured someone else may have made one |
| 05:05.41 | johnx | all because you don't want to spend 30 seconds to write "insmode foo.ko" and put it on your gentoo install... |
| 05:05.57 | johnx | s/insmode/insmod/ |
| 05:06.42 | Macer | johnx: yes :) |
| 05:06.49 | Macer | because that method is not how it is supposed to be dnoe |
| 05:07.02 | johnx | "supposed to be done"? |
| 05:07.14 | Macer | shouldn't have to wait 20 secs to see what your device is doing |
| 05:07.20 | Macer | ;) |
| 05:07.22 | johnx | who said 20 seconds |
| 05:07.32 | johnx | we're talking a difference of half a second here |
| 05:07.36 | Macer | oh really? |
| 05:07.42 | Macer | :) |
| 05:07.52 | Macer | i thought i'd be there with a blank screen until login: |
| 05:08.07 | johnx | nope, lots of stuff is running before login... |
| 05:08.22 | johnx | make yourself an init script, put it first in order |
| 05:08.36 | Macer | ok. i'll try that first then |
| 05:08.56 | Macer | i mean if worse came to worst i still have my int sd maemo install |
| 05:09.02 | Macer | so reflashing wouldn't be a complete loss |
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| 05:09.09 | Macer | i'd just need to re-install bootmenu |
| 05:13.58 | Macer | i think i'm still going to install debian somewhere and get the maemo sdk |
| 05:14.04 | Macer | just to build a proper kernel for this |
| 05:15.05 | johnx | fureddo, haven't forgotten, still looking through my old packages :) |
| 05:16.07 | fureddo | johnx, Ok, no prob. I'm trying your solution as we speak. |
| 05:16.56 | fureddo | johnx, If it works for one file, it will work for the others so I like this solution. |
| 05:17.18 | johnx | and it's a lot easier than editing makefiles :) |
| 05:18.04 | fureddo | johnx, I cannot agree more. Especially because I want to automate this procedure because it's just too complicated. I don't want to live this nightmare again. |
| 05:18.35 | johnx | yeah, debian packaging isn't the most straightforward thing, but once you figure it out it's not too bad |
| 05:18.58 | fureddo | johnx, Man, I think you're very kind. |
| 05:19.00 | johnx | this might help: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mer-committers/m-r/hildon-desktop-env/annotate/head%3A/debian/rules |
| 05:19.32 | fureddo | johnx, Thanks |
| 05:20.03 | fureddo | johnx, You really save my day. |
| 05:20.38 | johnx | :D |
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| 05:21.56 | fureddo | johnx, It works!!! |
| 05:22.14 | johnx | cool! now I'm looking forward to your port of tomotko :D |
| 05:22.24 | johnx | need to brush up on my nihongo :) |
| 05:22.33 | fureddo | johnx, ahaha |
| 05:23.37 | fureddo | johnx, Unless another problem pops up, I should be able to upload it tomorrow. |
| 05:23.52 | johnx | that's quite cool |
| 05:24.17 | johnx | did you have to change the source much to make the interface work nicely? |
| 05:24.30 | fureddo | johnx, No, zero change. |
| 05:24.45 | johnx | wow |
| 05:24.59 | fureddo | johnx, I don't know how it will look on a real device though. |
| 05:25.14 | fureddo | johnx, I have no maemo devices at my disposal. |
| 05:25.14 | johnx | but it looks ok in the "maemo sdk"? |
| 05:25.33 | johnx | what devices do you have? |
| 05:25.44 | fureddo | johnx, I have a Zaurus SL-C1000. |
| 05:25.57 | johnx | ah. which ROM are you running? |
| 05:26.32 | fureddo | johnx, It looks ok I think but depending on the size of the screen, it may be a little bit tight. Apparently that you can use the fullscreen mode to fix that but I don't know how to do that. |
| 05:26.41 | fureddo | johnx, The Sharp original rom. |
| 05:29.18 | Macer | well |
| 05:29.28 | Macer | johnx: i just made a n init.d script with all the insmods and copied the modules over |
| 05:29.31 | Macer | hopefully that works :) |
| 05:29.56 | Macer | for gentoo it should be like.. rc-update add framebuffer boot |
| 05:30.02 | Macer | to get it to being at boot time |
| 05:30.07 | johnx | sure |
| 05:30.10 | Macer | it has been a very long time since i've used gentoo though |
| 05:30.17 | johnx | or just copy right to /etc/rcS.d as S01macer |
| 05:30.28 | johnx | or wherever getoo puts stuff like that |
| 05:30.41 | Macer | shit i don't even know to tell you the truth. i haven't used gentoo in years |
| 05:30.42 | Macer | :) |
| 05:30.50 | Macer | it wasn't bad but it would keep breaking |
| 05:30.54 | Macer | esp with the python stuff |
| 05:31.06 | johnx | heh |
| 05:31.16 | johnx | no comment |
| 05:31.46 | Macer | would be kind of neet if this works though |
| 05:31.57 | johnx | just remember: make it work first, make it pretty later :) |
| 05:32.00 | Macer | Luke-Jr said he had kde4 running on it (slow as shit) |
| 05:32.01 | johnx | reflashes his c1000 for probably the thousandth time |
| 05:32.07 | Macer | haha |
| 05:32.20 | Macer | yeah. i'd love to figure out what the hell happened with my damn initfs not being able to write to it |
| 05:32.31 | Macer | but i guess you're right though |
| 05:32.40 | Macer | if it can boot now then it will boot later as long as i have a working bootmenu |
| 05:33.02 | Macer | so if i reflash to fix the jffs2 later i can just re-install bootmenu and start them right back up since they won't really be going anywhere |
| 05:33.42 | johnx | yup |
| 05:34.20 | Macer | still sucks tho ;) |
| 05:42.33 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:43.00 | johnx | got it booting to a console? |
| 05:49.04 | Luke-Jr | johnx: Gentoo's init scripts have little in common with rcS.d crap |
| 05:49.17 | Luke-Jr | Macer: there's already a module autoload init script you can configure |
| 05:49.45 | Luke-Jr | Macer: is your initfs actually jffs2? |
| 05:49.59 | Luke-Jr | squashfs or whatever the default is is always read-only |
| 05:50.36 | johnx | Luke-Jr, have you ever used a squashfs initfs on your tablet? |
| 05:50.41 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 05:50.52 | Macer | openpty failed: 'out of pty devices' |
| 05:51.00 | johnx | then uhm...what? |
| 05:51.01 | Luke-Jr | haha, fail |
| 05:51.11 | Macer | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), |
| 05:51.15 | Macer | :) |
| 05:51.21 | Macer | i forgot to set a locale i'm guessing |
| 05:51.32 | johnx | but it actually boots? |
| 05:51.45 | Macer | no. i'm just adding git and layman |
| 05:51.50 | Macer | to add the n8x0 repo |
| 05:51.51 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 05:52.13 | Macer | Luke-Jr: i figure it's jff2 considering mount -t jffs2 mounted it |
| 05:52.18 | Macer | unless that mounts squashfs also |
| 05:52.40 | Macer | if i can get it to boot i will reflash with the nokia stuff |
| 05:52.43 | Macer | and try again |
| 05:52.58 | Macer | to add the modules to initfs.. maybe one fo the bootmenus i tried screwed it up |
| 05:53.02 | Luke-Jr | watches Macer brick his N810 |
| 05:53.17 | Macer | brick it by flashing with the nokia flasher? ;) |
| 05:53.18 | Macer | i doubt it |
| 05:53.31 | Luke-Jr | … |
| 05:53.34 | Luke-Jr | quite possible |
| 05:53.47 | johnx | anything is possible |
| 05:54.01 | johnx | some things are so unlikely that worrying about them is a waste of time |
| 05:54.01 | Macer | maybe if the battery died at just the right moment |
| 05:54.02 | Macer | heh |
| 05:54.05 | Luke-Jr | especially for Macer |
| 05:54.11 | Luke-Jr | Macer: no, just flash a bad NOLO |
| 05:54.25 | Pavlov | hate debugging on n810 so much |
| 05:54.29 | johnx | the answer to that is easy: only flash kernel/initfs/rootfs |
| 05:54.32 | Pavlov | hatehatehate |
| 05:54.40 | Luke-Jr | Pavlov: hater! |
| 05:54.45 | Macer | i forgot how to set the locale in gentoo |
| 05:54.49 | Pavlov | i've been called worse;) |
| 05:55.09 | Luke-Jr | Macer: I never knew |
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| 05:55.49 | Macer | then why am i getting perl locale errors? :) |
| 05:56.03 | johnx | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 05:56.15 | Macer | in gentoo? |
| 05:56.27 | Macer | heh. blah. it is still building with the fallback |
| 05:56.28 | johnx | is being a smartass |
| 05:56.29 | Macer | that's cosmetic :) |
| 05:56.49 | Macer | i'll fix that later.. as long as this stuff builds and installs and boots... i can fix all the rest later |
| 05:56.57 | Macer | (or not) |
| 05:57.06 | Macer | funny thing is.. i only got the n810 for my car |
| 05:57.08 | Macer | wtf am i doing?! |
| 05:57.15 | Macer | it just kind of sucked me in |
| 05:57.16 | Macer | :) |
| 05:57.23 | johnx | it happens |
| 05:57.29 | Macer | if i had my vaporbook touch |
| 05:57.37 | Macer | i probably wouldn't even be touching this n810 |
| 05:57.45 | Macer | i think it's because my nokia mount was out of stock |
| 05:58.03 | Macer | and my older car only has obd1.5 which is incompatible with well.. |
| 05:58.04 | Macer | everything |
| 05:58.24 | Macer | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). |
| 05:58.48 | johnx | what kinda stuff you doing with Nokia->car interface? |
| 05:59.00 | johnx | working on tuning? |
| 05:59.08 | Macer | WELL. i WAS just going to use it for stats on my older car |
| 05:59.15 | Macer | i have an 09 tahoe which has no need for that crap |
| 05:59.19 | Macer | and my 1994 caprice classic |
| 05:59.26 | Macer | which i wanted to have an n810 with carman on |
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| 05:59.49 | fureddo | johnx, When uploading a file to extras, should I do it just for diablo or all the 3 target repos? |
| 05:59.51 | Macer | unfortunately for me though... only 1996 caprice classics had an obd2 port |
| 06:00.16 | johnx | fureddo, start with diablo :) |
| 06:00.21 | fureddo | johnx, ok |
| 06:00.31 | Macer | start with fremantle :-P |
| 06:00.37 | Macer | haha |
| 06:00.46 | Macer | nobody does diablo anymore :( |
| 06:01.00 | johnx | Macer, yeah, 1996 was the big OBDII year |
| 06:01.03 | johnx | a couple 95's have it, IIRC |
| 06:01.06 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:01.09 | Macer | 1995 was when it was mandated |
| 06:01.19 | Macer | 1996 was when they HAD to have them for emissions |
| 06:01.29 | Macer | damn tree huggers :) |
| 06:01.49 | Macer | i just wanted it for stats |
| 06:01.58 | Macer | my caprice doesn't even have a standard obd1 port |
| 06:02.12 | fureddo | johnx, Does it take long time for a submitted package to be processed usually? |
| 06:02.13 | Macer | it has a GM proprietary obd "1.5" port that sucks balls |
| 06:02.37 | Macer | i might just sell it and get a newer caprice or maybe an 06 impala |
| 06:02.41 | Macer | those were great years for those cars |
| 06:02.49 | Macer | shame that we are stuck with these garbage impalas :) |
| 06:03.01 | johnx | Macer, well, I could say other things about GM...but I want my Volt... |
| 06:03.49 | Macer | haha |
| 06:03.59 | Macer | i use my caprice for my day to day driving to keep miles off the tahoe |
| 06:04.22 | johnx | got a little 1996 subaru impreza that needs a WRX motor swap badly :) |
| 06:17.23 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:19.18 | johnx | mornin' Jaffa |
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| 06:21.36 | Macer | do perl modules really requier "compiling" ? |
| 06:21.36 | Macer | :) |
| 06:21.45 | Macer | aren't they just overrated scripts? |
| 06:22.09 | Macer | Luke-Jr: wow this is going to take all night haha |
| 06:22.14 | Macer | goes to sleep |
| 06:22.29 | Macer | it's on 7 of 31 and it hasn't even done real building yet :) |
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| 06:29.57 | zerojayPC | almost 3am. Guess I should try to get some sleep. |
| 06:30.11 | Macer | sleep is a crutch |
| 06:33.00 | johnx | sleep is for the weak |
| 06:33.55 | Macer | heh |
| 06:34.05 | Macer | i guess i should have turned on the swap before trying to build stuff huh? :) |
| 06:34.11 | Macer | i was wondering why it was going so slow |
| 06:34.40 | Myrtti | Enough time to sleep when youre dead |
| 06:34.44 | Macer | right when i turned it on.. it sucked up 400MB of it |
| 06:37.26 | Luke-Jr | Macer: liar |
| 06:37.42 | Luke-Jr | the N810 will crash before it uses 300 MB |
| 06:42.12 | Macer | :-P er no? |
| 06:42.34 | Macer | wait til it does it again |
| 06:42.43 | Macer | i'll paste :) |
| 06:43.09 | Macer | but i promise it went up to 400MB of swap space of my external SD (have 1GB swap partition) |
| 06:43.48 | Macer | i had to stop the stuff because the perl thing was erking me :) |
| 06:43.57 | Macer | just had to set locale settings |
| 06:44.20 | Macer | no more of that mess now.. maybe you just have a cheap broke ass SD or n810 :-P haha |
| 06:44.33 | Macer | damn it's still doing it.. blah.. ah well |
| 06:44.56 | Macer | i probably don't have us_EN on here or something |
| 06:45.03 | Macer | er.. en_US |
| 06:45.06 | johnx | Macer, did you by chance disable lifeguard reset? |
| 06:45.22 | Macer | lifeguard reset? |
| 06:46.02 | Macer | i doubt it if i don't know what you are talking about ;) |
| 06:46.09 | johnx | the thing that keeps it from getting it in reboot loops |
| 06:46.24 | johnx | just trying to find a difference between Luke-Jr's setup and yours |
| 06:46.34 | Macer | not that i know of. although. i did flash a new kernel recently |
| 06:46.51 | Macer | the one that fixed the misnamed devices in bootmenu |
| 06:47.07 | Macer | which is probably why i can't remount my initfs haha |
| 06:50.05 | Macer | insmod /lib/modules/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko |
| 06:50.10 | Macer | that might not work :) |
| 06:50.44 | johnx | ah, missing a bit :) |
| 06:51.15 | Macer | insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in module |
| 06:51.24 | Macer | awesome |
| 06:51.42 | qwerty12_N810 | iirc, bitblit and softcursor are required to be loaded first |
| 06:52.21 | johnx | qwerty12_N810, you're too nice. I was just going to say something like "remember the proper order" :) |
| 06:52.39 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: thanks |
| 06:52.40 | Macer | that did it ;) |
| 06:52.49 | Macer | haha |
| 06:52.54 | qwerty12_N810 | johnx: :D |
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| 06:53.04 | rm_you | johnx: :D |
| 06:53.24 | Macer | well.. then this things should boot :) |
| 06:53.35 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 06:53.48 | rm_you | I'm alive :P |
| 06:53.53 | rm_you | I see you are too |
| 06:53.58 | johnx | fraid so |
| 06:53.59 | rm_you | Nifty :) |
| 06:54.05 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.13 | Macer | do people drink at the maemo summit? |
| 06:54.14 | johnx | happily debootstrap'ing ubuntu for zaurus :) |
| 06:54.22 | johnx | Macer, yes |
| 06:54.24 | rm_you | :P |
| 06:54.30 | Macer | i mean. is it like.. harold and kumar where the asian club is taking drinks out the breasts of women |
| 06:54.35 | Macer | ? |
| 06:54.39 | rm_you | I guess they released the statusbar stuff for Fremantle? so i guess I should get on that... |
| 06:54.55 | Macer | rm_you: fix the broken framework first |
| 06:55.01 | rm_you | Macer: oh god yes, there is drinking :P |
| 06:55.03 | Macer | like not being able to go t owindows behind other windows |
| 06:55.05 | Macer | :) |
| 06:55.19 | Macer | like... modifying the application menu is one of them |
| 06:55.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: I heard it's like Big Bob's sandwich |
| 06:55.39 | Macer | and the one with the network manager and the key thing behind it |
| 06:55.40 | rm_you | Macer: from last summit I remember vaguely almost passing out on the bathroom floor and something about running to McDonalds with jott and lcuk :P |
| 06:55.47 | Macer | hahahah |
| 06:55.48 | rm_you | and that's about it for that night <_< |
| 06:55.59 | Macer | rough night :) |
| 06:56.05 | Macer | where is the summit? |
| 06:56.06 | Macer | dk? |
| 06:56.17 | rm_you | I tried to go beer for beer with a native German O_o |
| 06:56.20 | rm_you | bad idea. |
| 06:56.23 | rm_you | Amsterdam |
| 06:56.25 | Macer | rm_you: lol! |
| 06:56.26 | Macer | omg |
| 06:56.31 | Macer | the summit is in amsterdam?1 |
| 06:56.33 | Macer | wow |
| 06:56.38 | rm_you | http://maemo.org/news/events/maemo_summit_2009/ |
| 06:56.40 | Macer | i thought it would be somewhere boring :) |
| 06:56.50 | Macer | how many people go? |
| 06:56.58 | rm_you | Last time it was in C-Base in Berlin, that was far from boring :P |
| 06:57.00 | johnx | Copenhagen is actually kinda cool |
| 06:57.01 | Macer | it's not like 10 guys in a circle jerk is it? |
| 06:57.02 | Macer | :) |
| 06:57.10 | rm_you | usually around 300 (I say usually, even tho there's only been one so far :P) |
| 06:57.27 | Macer | wow that many? |
| 06:57.31 | Macer | does nokia fund it or something? |
| 06:57.36 | rm_you | johnx: you sign up yet? |
| 06:57.41 | rm_you | Macer: somewhat yes |
| 06:57.45 | Macer | that's awesome :) |
| 06:57.54 | rm_you | Macer: they flew me there last time... though back then I was a lot more active <_< |
| 06:57.55 | johnx | rm_you, not quite yet |
| 06:58.00 | johnx | this weekend though |
| 06:58.01 | rm_you | I need to get to work on that |
| 06:58.02 | Macer | rm_you: wow |
| 06:58.14 | Macer | rm_you: fix the mer widnows not responding :) |
| 06:58.22 | Macer | the gui! someone please fix the gui! |
| 06:58.22 | Macer | haha |
| 06:58.26 | rm_you | Of course back then, my app NEEDED to be in active development... at this point it pretty much just works. except now i need to fix it for fremantle before the summit |
| 06:58.51 | rm_you | I feel like I should be helping more with Mer, but life keeps getting in the way :/ |
| 06:59.00 | johnx | rm_you, I want to have a PoC by the end of this weekend or so, then I'll sign up with that under my belt |
| 06:59.07 | rm_you | having a job over the summer doesn't help |
| 06:59.19 | johnx | know the feeling |
| 06:59.20 | johnx | O_o; |
| 06:59.32 | rm_you | PoC? |
| 06:59.57 | johnx | rm_you I'd like to have mer up in some form on a zaurus and wii before I register |
| 07:00.08 | johnx | <- fails at IRC, might succumb to sleep |
| 07:00.21 | rm_you | Also, G1 + Google Latitude == exactly what we wanted for that conference radar app :P |
| 07:00.41 | qwerty12_N810 | johnx: Turn on sound notification; I'll keep on spamming you! :O |
| 07:00.51 | rm_you | can set picture and status and it updates my location via GPS over cellular :P |
| 07:00.59 | rm_you | so LITERALLY exactly what we wanted, lol |
| 07:01.06 | johnx | rm_you, it has an API, right? |
| 07:01.15 | rm_you | yeah i think so |
| 07:01.19 | johnx | qwerty12_N810, uhm, thanks :P |
| 07:01.22 | rm_you | everything google has an API |
| 07:01.35 | johnx | except when they can make money off of it |
| 07:01.38 | rm_you | yeah I could work on a maemo app for it |
| 07:01.58 | johnx | or geolocation for tear :) |
| 07:02.15 | rm_you | :P |
| 07:02.16 | johnx | chrome has it and it's webkit |
| 07:02.22 | johnx | might not be bad to steal :> |
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| 07:04.19 | johnx | anyways, sleep |
| 07:04.24 | johnx | might be hacking on this tomorrow |
| 07:04.28 | rm_you | http://geojson.org/geojson-spec.html |
| 07:04.40 | rm_you | that's the spec we wanted earlier i think |
| 07:04.48 | rm_you | anywho, yeah looks like the API isn't public yet |
| 07:04.52 | rm_you | sadness |
| 07:05.06 | rm_you | night johnx |
| 07:05.13 | rm_you | actually I think I shall sleep too <_< night all |
| 07:05.25 | johnx | 'night rm_you, all |
| 07:05.34 | qwerty12_N810 | gn |
| 07:05.48 | rm_you | or KML |
| 07:05.51 | rm_you | sleeps |
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| 07:14.07 | unixSnob | how can I find out the commandline args for osso-xterm? |
| 07:14.38 | johnx | like, what it accepts? |
| 07:14.52 | unixSnob | yeah |
| 07:15.00 | johnx | probably easiest to read the source |
| 07:15.05 | unixSnob | eg, I want to do a -x "tail some_log_file" |
| 07:15.09 | johnx | wait, crap, I was supposed to be asleep |
| 07:17.02 | unixSnob | i think "-x" might be the correct switch to exec a command because there's no error and it launches, but the window closes immediately |
| 07:18.06 | unixSnob | i probably need to ask developers.. users probably wouldn't know this |
| 07:18.33 | unixSnob | where's the developers channel? |
| 07:18.44 | johnx | this is it |
| 07:19.00 | johnx | and probably no one knows it except the guy who wrote it |
| 07:19.28 | qwerty12_N810 | ...who shared his wisdom by releasing the source (like johnx said) |
| 07:27.05 | fureddo | johnx, I have another problem I would like you to look up. |
| 07:27.29 | fureddo | johnx, I tried to upload my tomotko package but I get a strange error. |
| 07:28.29 | fureddo | johnx, https://garage.maemo.org/builder/diablo/tomotko_0.11.2-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 07:47.32 | fureddo | When I run dpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b, I get the following output: |
| 07:48.24 | fureddo | http://pastebin.com/m22adbd31 |
| 07:50.25 | fureddo | The last lines look suspicious but don't tell me much really. |
| 07:53.37 | fureddo | I have this line in my control file: |
| 07:53.45 | fureddo | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libqt4-dev, qt4-qmake |
| 07:53.52 | fureddo | I think it's correct. |
| 07:59.01 | Meizirkki | Is this a python2.5 vs python2.6 problem? http://pastebin.com/m594afacd |
| 08:02.56 | unixSnob | the code is crap |
| 08:03.28 | unixSnob | argv is passed to some function that doesn't exist |
| 08:04.59 | qwerty12_N810 | unixSnob: osso-xterm -e "tail -f <file>" worked here |
| 08:05.37 | unixSnob | ah, -e, i didn't think of that. Was that just a guess? |
| 08:05.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes :\ |
| 08:06.35 | Jaffa | argv works for me: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/extras/vim.launch?revision=266&root=mud-builder&view=markup |
| 08:06.58 | unixSnob | hmm... -e doesn't work for me.. nothing happens |
| 08:07.18 | Jaffa | Did you try: osso-xterm tail -f <file> ? |
| 08:07.31 | Jaffa | (Rather than giving a single arg which needs to be passed to a shell) |
| 08:07.32 | qwerty12_N810 | -e isn't needed here |
| 08:07.50 | Macer | * Overlay "n8x0" does not exist! |
| 08:07.52 | qwerty12_N810 | And you're quoting your whole tail command? |
| 08:07.54 | Macer | Luke-Jr: what am i missing here? |
| 08:10.05 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: i quote the whole tail command when it's passed with a switch.. and that's what i did w/ the -e. I did not get an xterm window |
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| 08:10.21 | unixSnob | Jaffa: I also tried without the switch, both with and w/out quotes |
| 08:11.16 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm doing this over SSH and I get an xterm window, with the tail. What are you running exactly? |
| 08:11.43 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: I'm ssh'd into the NIT |
| 08:12.04 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: if I run osso-xterm by itself, it works |
| 08:12.38 | unixSnob | when I start sending args, i get different behaviour. Usually it launches and immediately closes before I can see the screen |
| 08:13.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, are you doing this as root? |
| 08:13.21 | unixSnob | yes |
| 08:13.44 | unixSnob | I just got it to work this way: /usr/bin/maemo-summoner /usr/bin/osso-xterm.launch -e 'tail -f <file>' |
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| 08:14.11 | unixSnob | Now that i got it working, I'm going to embed it in a script |
| 08:14.13 | qwerty12_N810 | maemo-invoker |
| 08:14.21 | qwerty12_N810 | not maemo-summoner |
| 08:14.30 | Macer | ah. never mind |
| 08:14.36 | unixSnob | so every time openssh opens a tunnel, I want it to launch a tail of the logfile |
| 08:14.37 | Macer | forgot to put layman -f on your site instructions ;) |
| 08:15.01 | qwerty12_N810 | oh, it works, ignore me then :) |
| 08:15.30 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: in fact, the invoker doesn't work |
| 08:16.11 | qwerty12_N810 | It should do... maybe it just needs a run-standalone.sh before it |
| 08:17.26 | qwerty12_N810 | If Nokia aren't gonna give a task switcher with the Fremantle SDK, then they should at least give wmctrl... |
| 08:18.10 | Macer | installs compiz on the gentoo install |
| 08:24.55 | Macer | boot from gentoo failed, booting from flash |
| 08:24.56 | Macer | haha |
| 08:24.57 | Macer | damn |
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| 08:37.11 | unixSnob | qwerty12_N810: although it maemo-summoner works from the commandline, I get "D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory" when i run within a script |
| 08:37.42 | Macer | wtf |
| 08:37.50 | Macer | well. i guess i know why my initfs wasn't working anymore :-\ |
| 08:37.51 | qwerty12_N810 | ...and I did intend to reply... |
| 08:38.14 | Macer | the kernel i flashed to fix the damn sd names |
| 08:38.23 | Macer | OS Edition 2006 |
| 08:39.02 | lbt | Macer: not really a Mer problem then ;) good |
| 08:39.15 | qwerty12_N810 | 2006 wasn't even available for N8x0, how does that make sense |
| 08:39.28 | Macer | lbt: wasn't mer i was having a problem with ;) |
| 08:39.32 | Macer | well. other than its gui haha |
| 08:39.46 | Macer | although i'd sure like to know wtf was up with the ssh asking me for a password over and over |
| 08:39.50 | Macer | that was odd |
| 08:39.57 | lbt | was the ssh mer? |
| 08:40.01 | Macer | yes |
| 08:40.10 | lbt | that's what I meant... |
| 08:40.12 | Macer | asked for me to type in a new password because it was enforced to do so |
| 08:40.20 | Macer | i did ... put in a new one |
| 08:40.26 | lbt | you seem to have time issues |
| 08:40.26 | Macer | and when i used the new one .. it did the same thing |
| 08:40.36 | Macer | oh yeah. that too :) |
| 08:40.44 | Macer | it was making futuristic files |
| 08:40.45 | lbt | I wonder if you have an internal clock problem? |
| 08:40.52 | Macer | i just used ntpdate to adjust the clock |
| 08:41.26 | Macer | i'm going to nokia flash this thing and start over and see if i can get gentoo going th right way |
| 08:41.45 | Macer | when i tried to boot gentoo it would just kind of sit there |
| 08:41.48 | Macer | then reboot |
| 08:41.49 | Macer | heh |
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| 08:41.59 | lbt | sounds like you have a sensible tablet |
| 08:42.43 | Macer | i think i should just build my own kernel for it |
| 08:43.35 | lbt | are you using the Mer kernel? |
| 08:43.49 | lbt | I think that's a good place to build a community kernel |
| 08:44.00 | lbt | it shouldn't be Mer specific |
| 08:44.28 | lbt | by which I mean, not the Mer prebuilt kernel |
| 08:44.41 | lbt | but the Mer kernel sources and build mechanism |
| 08:46.31 | Macer | i'm in a fresh maemo install now |
| 08:46.32 | Macer | :) |
| 08:46.40 | Macer | let me see if i can remount initfs |
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| 09:02.20 | zerojayPC | Hmm. |
| 09:02.57 | zerojayPC | Pidgin facebook plugin. |
| 09:03.26 | zerojayPC | Required files for Facebook plugin to work through Haze. |
| 09:03.29 | zerojayPC | Hmmmmm. |
| 09:04.17 | zerojayPC | Macer: What package are you using to install gcc to your tablet? |
| 09:04.28 | lcuk | build-essential |
| 09:04.32 | lcuk | or gcc itself |
| 09:04.41 | zerojayPC | Through apt-get? |
| 09:04.48 | lcuk | yeah |
| 09:05.07 | lcuk | you add the sdk and tools repos :) |
| 09:05.23 | lcuk | same ones you use when you are in scratchbox |
| 09:07.10 | zerojayPC | Maybe I can poke qole and have him take a look at this then. |
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| 09:10.53 | zerojayPC | Hmm.. the haze.manager file on the tablet lists myspace. |
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| 09:11.59 | lcuk | mornin zakkmm |
| 09:12.18 | zakkmm | morning lcuk |
| 09:12.40 | zakkmm | heh i should probably be getting sleep. |
| 09:12.58 | zakkmm | signed on from nokia in bed. |
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| 09:14.58 | lcuk | watches the universe unfold |
| 09:15.44 | zakkmm | wonders what lcuk meant |
| 09:16.38 | lcuk | :) |
| 09:16.42 | lcuk | you are sleepy |
| 09:16.52 | lcuk | and wouldnt want to mess |
| 09:17.02 | lcuk | ask me tomorrow :P |
| 09:17.11 | zakkmm | wanna see what im buying in few days? |
| 09:17.24 | lcuk | go for it |
| 09:17.39 | Macer | heh |
| 09:17.44 | Macer | zerojayPC: the one on the sdk |
| 09:17.48 | Macer | well |
| 09:17.53 | Macer | i got gentoo to TRY to boot |
| 09:17.56 | lcuk | mornin macer |
| 09:17.57 | Macer | fb worked and everything which is a plus |
| 09:17.59 | Macer | :) |
| 09:18.02 | Macer | it just kernel paniced |
| 09:18.06 | lcuk | i gather you gave up on dpkg for now |
| 09:18.12 | Macer | lcuk: for a moment |
| 09:18.16 | lcuk | nods |
| 09:18.19 | Macer | i want to see about getting gentoo going |
| 09:18.23 | lcuk | i said it cascades lol |
| 09:18.29 | Macer | lcuk: yeah it's a bitch |
| 09:18.29 | lcuk | yeah, gentoo would be easier |
| 09:18.35 | zakkmm | http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=023713&cid=MTR.863 $205 usd after tax. |
| 09:18.40 | Macer | well... Luke-Jr said he got kde4 running on it |
| 09:18.40 | Macer | :) |
| 09:19.01 | Macer | on the brighter side tho... |
| 09:19.04 | lcuk | yeah ive seen kde running on tablet |
| 09:19.10 | Macer | found out i wasted like |
| 09:19.10 | lcuk | at the last summit |
| 09:19.18 | Macer | 2 hours trying to find out why initfs wouldn't remount rw |
| 09:19.24 | Macer | and it was the "updated kernel" that was from 2006 |
| 09:19.24 | Macer | haha |
| 09:19.33 | zakkmm | lol |
| 09:19.34 | Macer | to correct device names in bootmenu |
| 09:19.49 | lcuk | yikes |
| 09:19.49 | zakkmm | emerge --sync ;p |
| 09:20.01 | Macer | zakkmm: lol |
| 09:20.03 | Macer | not that easy |
| 09:20.13 | Macer | i think i had the install screwed up while i was off figuring out why initfs wasn't working |
| 09:20.17 | Macer | just have to fix a few things i suppose |
| 09:20.22 | Macer | but the fb worked :) |
| 09:20.23 | lcuk | zakkmm, thats a nice monitor |
| 09:20.24 | Macer | so that's a lus |
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| 09:20.33 | lcuk | mornin VDVsx |
| 09:20.39 | zakkmm | macer check url |
| 09:20.50 | zakkmm | thanks lcuk. |
| 09:20.55 | VDVsx | morning lcuk :) |
| 09:21.21 | lcuk | is going bowling later |
| 09:21.37 | lcuk | yet another thing which i risk my fingers for! |
| 09:22.31 | VDVsx | lol |
| 09:23.31 | slonopotamus | >.> |
| 09:24.19 | lcuk | o ||||| |
| 09:24.24 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.33 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.11 | lcuk | i'll combo breaker myself, i will prolly need to fill screen before i get a strike |
| 09:25.26 | Macer | huh? |
| 09:25.33 | Macer | zakkmm: what url? |
| 09:26.04 | zakkmm | http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=023713&cid=MTR.863 im buying |
| 09:26.18 | zakkmm | 23.3 inch |
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| 09:31.07 | Macer | wtf |
| 09:31.36 | zakkmm | ? |
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| 09:34.52 | Macer | my internal sd doesn't seem to want to boot anymore |
| 09:35.57 | lcuk | thats crap |
| 09:35.59 | lcuk | mornin qwerty12_N810 |
| 09:36.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Hello lcuk |
| 09:37.11 | lcuk | sneezes |
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| 09:39.47 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm having the time of my life trying to stop Transmission crashing when I use a HildonFileChooserDialog |
| 09:40.06 | lcuk | oooer |
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| 09:43.42 | Macer | trying to install gentoo again now that everything "works" |
| 09:43.49 | Macer | how do i disable the boot picture? |
| 09:44.02 | Macer | so that fb doesn't look all jacked up? |
| 09:46.20 | Macer | odd |
| 09:46.28 | Macer | i did all the things that GeneralAntilles said to do on his site |
| 09:46.43 | Macer | but i still get a screwed up nokia pic in the middle of the screen with a bar and it's all jacked up :) |
| 09:46.48 | Macer | with fb txt in the background |
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| 09:52.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Got that fixed. Yay. |
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| 09:59.36 | lcuk | heh qwerty12_N810 |
| 09:59.48 | lcuk | mornin pupnik |
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| 10:00.12 | pupnik | moin lcuk |
| 10:00.28 | pupnik | lets make an app for n900 so you just point the device at some text, and it auto-translates and reads it to you |
| 10:00.41 | pupnik | ... profit! |
| 10:01.17 | lcuk | but for that, you need ocr scanning |
| 10:01.34 | pupnik | 5mp camera should do it if you hold it close enough |
| 10:02.03 | pupnik | well if it were trivial, we'd have it already lcuk |
| 10:02.10 | lcuk | im not thinking of the (admittedly amazing) 5mp capability |
| 10:02.56 | pupnik | yep you'd need to ocr, then figure out the language, then run a translator |
| 10:03.26 | ShadowJK | and 5MP is useless unless it can focus |
| 10:03.49 | lcuk | pupnik, its a doddle |
| 10:03.53 | lcuk | lets get scotty onto it |
| 10:04.09 | lcuk | ShadowJK, aint that the truth |
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| 11:02.50 | lcuk | konttori__, did that work for you |
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| 11:04.00 | lcuk | did i get the accleremoter code correct? |
| 11:04.11 | Macer | Che is a pretty awesome movie |
| 11:04.15 | Macer | about the cuban revolution |
| 11:06.38 | lcuk | its 2 movies |
| 11:07.34 | lcuk | or is it just 2 halves |
| 11:07.48 | lcuk | heh http://www.flickr.com/photos/obajoo/3812027662/sizes/l/ |
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| 11:11.08 | VDVsx | geeks ... |
| 11:11.57 | lcuk | VDVsx, we are all geeks here! |
| 11:14.03 | pupnik | is there a *working* maemo SDK vmware image yet? nope. bad dog, no biscuit. |
| 11:14.15 | VDVsx | lcuk, true, but I'm not geek enough to put a pac-man in my wedding cake, lol |
| 11:14.31 | pupnik | can't even launch it |
| 11:14.32 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:14.40 | lcuk | pupnik, is it really that bad |
| 11:15.01 | lcuk | last time i used it it worked - mind you, that was a chinook image by default |
| 11:15.58 | Macer | yah |
| 11:16.02 | Macer | i'm watching the 2nd part now |
| 11:16.29 | Macer | that goddamn che was nuts |
| 11:17.02 | pupnik | lcuk: it is missing an essential file to even be *run* from vmware |
| 11:17.59 | lcuk | :S disconcerting |
| 11:18.01 | pupnik | forgot which, there's the image files, then there's meta-info about the image (.vmdk) - that meta-info file is missing |
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| 11:18.07 | pupnik | been that way for like 9 months |
| 11:18.14 | pupnik | all he needs to do is add that file to the zip |
| 11:18.51 | lcuk | then mail him and post on the site |
| 11:18.54 | lcuk | and raise a bug |
| 11:18.59 | lcuk | and tell your mum over him |
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| 11:20.15 | lcuk | and if all that fails, you could just install ubuntu and scratchbox somewhere |
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| 11:28.42 | lcuk | blt or bacon and egg |
| 11:28.44 | lcuk | or just bacon? |
| 11:29.06 | slonopotamus | bacon |
| 11:29.19 | lcuk | well everything includes bacon |
| 11:29.23 | lcuk | its what sundries i have |
| 11:29.39 | qwerty12_N810 | ganja infused bacon? |
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| 11:38.39 | zerojayPC | lcuk: http://tinyurl.com/ms5hah |
| 11:39.27 | zerojayPC | Everything includes bacon |
| 11:40.58 | lcuk | http://twitter.com/liqbase |
| 11:41.03 | lcuk | my pic :D |
| 11:41.28 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, this early in the morning? |
| 11:41.38 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: morning? |
| 11:41.43 | zerojayPC | haha |
| 11:42.10 | lcuk | zerojayPC, thats one of the eastereggs in original liqbase |
| 11:42.24 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, its weekend, its morning all the way until monday |
| 11:42.46 | qwerty12_N810 | Interesting rule :p |
| 11:43.17 | lcuk | indeed |
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| 11:57.11 | Macer | it's probably a good thing i'm re-installing this gentoo |
| 11:57.17 | Macer | heh.. i forgot to make a root pw last time |
| 11:57.28 | Macer | i'd just wind up rebooting and chrooting for no reason since it didn't boot anyways |
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| 12:17.36 | lcuk | hey javispedro |
| 12:17.42 | lcuk | how goes the gaming |
| 12:17.48 | javispedro | doing a gui... |
| 12:18.20 | javispedro | morning :) |
| 12:18.58 | lcuk | guis are fun |
| 12:19.15 | lcuk | is adding rotation support for sketches |
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| 12:22.15 | javispedro | guis are no fun at all (still trying to get hildon file chooser to accept my extension filter), but it may end up looking good enough -- i'm using osso-games-launcher |
| 12:22.36 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:23.04 | pupnik | take notes pls |
| 12:23.12 | lopz | hi |
| 12:23.19 | javispedro | hi pupnik |
| 12:23.39 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: apologies if I'm stating the obvious but HildonFileChooserDialog wants you to call gtk_file_chooser_set_filter() too |
| 12:23.57 | lcuk | yes javispedro with anything you do on the standard stuff, if you have to dig and find info yourself and pull from multitple sources, please document these things |
| 12:24.13 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, that did not work... i'm getting "better" results if I set it as a property at object construct time |
| 12:24.41 | Macer | javispedro: work on the mer gui :-P |
| 12:25.04 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: odd, it does here but I'm not doing anything complex... |
| 12:25.09 | lcuk | loves his interactive screensaver |
| 12:25.37 | javispedro | oh, wtf, I will only accept 1 extension for the moment |
| 12:25.47 | Macer | ugh |
| 12:25.51 | Macer | git is taking forever to install |
| 12:25.53 | Macer | :) |
| 12:25.58 | lcuk | heh macer |
| 12:26.03 | lcuk | you arent havin much luck at the mom |
| 12:26.04 | Macer | sure hope this crap boots |
| 12:26.05 | lcuk | ent |
| 12:26.20 | qwerty12_N810 | rofl |
| 12:26.23 | Macer | oh i'm about to just give up and run maemo4 |
| 12:26.34 | lcuk | its solid and stable |
| 12:26.45 | lcuk | and if you know about the potholes in the road, you can drive round em |
| 12:26.45 | Macer | yah |
| 12:27.15 | Macer | i'm going to try this gentoo crap one more time and if it doesn't wrok i think i give up on my n810 |
| 12:27.19 | Macer | maemo4life |
| 12:27.21 | Macer | (tm) |
| 12:27.24 | lcuk | just wish there was a dpkg_buildpackage.deb that i could install |
| 12:27.34 | lcuk | i'd pay for something like that! |
| 12:27.48 | lcuk | :P |
| 12:27.54 | Macer | lcuk: you could probably make one in the sdk |
| 12:28.03 | lcuk | i havent got time |
| 12:28.05 | qwerty12_N810 | You can have a jffs2 image of my N800's flash, I have it working there :p |
| 12:28.16 | Macer | lol |
| 12:28.22 | Macer | make it into a pkg qwerty12_N810 :-P |
| 12:28.26 | lcuk | and its the only thing i lack to being able to do end to end development on the tablet |
| 12:28.27 | Macer | and put it on garage |
| 12:28.28 | javispedro | you could also create a borked version of the debian package building toolchain ;) |
| 12:28.46 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, simplify it and make a package of it :) |
| 12:28.47 | javispedro | aka replace everything with tar package.deb *.* ;) (or ar or whatever they use these days) |
| 12:29.18 | Macer | or mer can shift over to using gentoo as a base instead of maemo and get the sound working :) |
| 12:29.25 | Macer | maemo/ubuntu |
| 12:29.25 | lcuk | heh |
| 12:29.30 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: no inclination, I got a ssh account so I just use scratchbox there :p |
| 12:29.33 | Macer | at least then you know it will build haha |
| 12:29.35 | javispedro | what would be nice |
| 12:29.41 | javispedro | is maemo rebasing itself on mer. |
| 12:29.46 | lcuk | qwerty, you got a paypal? |
| 12:29.56 | Macer | mer is rebasing itself on maemo5 src |
| 12:30.01 | Macer | :) |
| 12:30.01 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: nope :) |
| 12:30.34 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: cmon. make the deb.. FOR THE COMMUNITY! |
| 12:30.35 | Macer | :) |
| 12:30.40 | Macer | the community man!! |
| 12:31.19 | qwerty12_N810 | I can't be bothered to add a ton of dpkg-diverts :-p |
| 12:31.19 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, if everyone in the chan sent you a postcard would you? :D |
| 12:31.37 | qwerty12_N810 | ganja or nothing |
| 12:31.41 | lcuk | hehehehe |
| 12:31.49 | lcuk | shame you aren't coming to the summit |
| 12:32.08 | lcuk | i wouldv obliged |
| 12:32.21 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
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| 12:33.05 | javispedro | ah, first thing to document: osso_games_startup takes an _absolute_ path as parameter or exits silently. |
| 12:33.16 | Macer | it's in amsterdam |
| 12:33.21 | Macer | can't you just go to a pot bar or something? |
| 12:33.36 | Macer | or whatever they call it |
| 12:33.50 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, I have no site. |
| 12:34.02 | Macer | lol! |
| 12:34.11 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: welcome to 6 hours ago :) |
| 12:34.29 | Macer | how did you even see that? tell me you didn't scroll up like 300 pages of irc |
| 12:34.30 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, I'm working my way through the scrollback. |
| 12:34.57 | lcuk | Macer, are you coming to the summit |
| 12:35.10 | GeneralAntilles | I see a list of missed highlights on my screen when I sit down. |
| 12:35.17 | GeneralAntilles | and I can cycle through them with a shortcut. |
| 12:35.40 | GeneralAntilles | and, yes, I usually scroll through the stuff I've missed daily. |
| 12:35.43 | Macer | lcuk: lol..i'm not l33t enough to go to amsterdam for a maemo summit |
| 12:35.54 | lcuk | why not? |
| 12:36.07 | Macer | the euros here might be able to do it. but going from chicago to amsterdam is a LONG flight |
| 12:36.11 | lcuk | you are digging into the bowels of the system, and your experiences would be good |
| 12:36.28 | Macer | not really haven't had much success ;) |
| 12:36.30 | lcuk | ahh didnt think you were stateside anyway |
| 12:36.47 | Macer | haha.. yeah. i'm in chicago |
| 12:37.10 | lcuk | macer, "WD-40" the grand success of lubricants got nowhere for its first 39 attempts. that did not mean they were failures |
| 12:37.28 | Macer | what became of the other formulas? :) |
| 12:37.32 | lcuk | they were part of a pathway to slippery greatness |
| 12:37.48 | Macer | ever see someoen put wd40 on their brakes to quiet them? :) |
| 12:37.52 | lcuk | without them, there would be squeeky doors and siezed up screws worldwide |
| 12:37.58 | lcuk | yeah |
| 12:38.05 | Macer | does it catch fire? |
| 12:38.17 | lcuk | yeah its flammable |
| 12:38.36 | Macer | i was wondering why i saw a car a while back with flaming tires |
| 12:38.56 | lcuk | mustv been a hotwheels model |
| 12:38.56 | Macer | and remembered a long time ago a friend of mine that did that and figured that was the cause |
| 12:39.00 | lcuk | gotta go |
| 12:39.03 | lcuk | bowling time! |
| 12:39.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Spinning rims are better |
| 12:39.18 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: never got into the baller rims |
| 12:39.20 | lcuk | did you get your pm macer |
| 12:39.44 | Macer | yah. .. i'll test if yo uwant :) |
| 12:41.26 | Macer | know what's funny |
| 12:41.38 | Macer | like.. in 1992.. my n810 would have been a FAST device |
| 12:41.39 | Macer | :) |
| 12:42.38 | GeneralAntilles | WD-40 is the worst |
| 12:42.52 | GeneralAntilles | It pulls in water like crazy, doesn't lubricate well and is a pain to apply. |
| 12:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | just uses gun oil on stuff. |
| 12:43.57 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, in 1992, your N810 would've been a dream. |
| 12:44.13 | GeneralAntilles | and way more than a fast device, since it's comparable to Pentium II/III system. |
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| 12:50.43 | pupnik | i thought part of the point of wd40 was to adhere to metals and protect from water |
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| 12:51.14 | javispedro | it's around the same speed as my 1998ish Celeron 333 Mhz laptop. |
| 12:52.30 | VDVsx | oh my, 'gerbick' also trolls in twitter with the maemo tag :P |
| 12:52.41 | javispedro | the ultimate troll? :P |
| 12:53.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Time for Nokia to prepare the hitmen |
| 12:54.51 | VDVsx | and has good friends : http://twitter.com/darkbulb/status/3317035629 -> http://twitter.com/darkbulb/status/3324006572 lol |
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| 12:59.04 | Macer | nope |
| 12:59.06 | Macer | still won't boot |
| 12:59.16 | Macer | cp /mnt/new_root/linuxrc: no such file or directory |
| 12:59.57 | Macer | oh |
| 13:00.02 | Macer | it's trying to boot |
| 13:00.22 | Macer | /dev/{EXT_SD}px as its root fs |
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| 13:20.46 | Macer | heh |
| 13:20.50 | Macer | damnit |
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| 13:38.41 | zerojayPC | VDVsx: Haha. |
| 13:39.00 | zerojayPC | Shit like that... that just makes me proud. :) |
| 13:40.29 | GAN800 | sighs at trolls. |
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| 13:43.06 | zerojayPC | When you see them doing that, and they can't respond directly to the points you're making, you know you've won. ;) |
| 13:44.13 | GAN800 | I'm worried about the education they're giving uninformed people. |
| 13:45.02 | zerojayPC | Yeah, definitely. |
| 13:45.16 | zerojayPC | I personally love their "enslave all the programmers" attitude. :) |
| 13:45.46 | zerojayPC | And the way they seem to think the world owes them something. |
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| 13:52.51 | zerojayPC | Perhaps an interesting test for the Fremantle device... Quake Live goes live on Linux on August 18th. |
| 13:53.37 | zerojayPC | And for anyone that doesn't know, Quake Live is basically Quake 3 running in your browser window. |
| 13:53.52 | zerojayPC | With online play, tournaments, etc.. |
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| 13:58.21 | VDVsx | Quake 3 runs on an n95, so should also run in the new device :) |
| 13:59.07 | zerojayPC | No doubt. |
| 14:03.03 | zerojayPC | Just wonder if Quake Live will run fast enough through the browser. |
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| 14:05.32 | javispedro | zerojayPC, I believe Quake uses a native browser plugin. |
| 14:05.57 | zerojayPC | yep. |
| 14:06.12 | javispedro | that means no Quake Live I guess. |
| 14:06.45 | GAN800 | I totally wanted to set up Quake tournaments for tablet users. |
| 14:08.22 | zerojayPC | I haven't tried the Quake ports yet. Worthwhile? |
| 14:08.57 | pupnik | i think one of them has great (actually playable) controls |
| 14:09.08 | GAN800 | Yeah, fun. |
| 14:09.11 | pupnik | i think that was bundyo's q2 build? |
| 14:09.25 | GAN800 | Controls are hard, but even Quake II runs pretty decently. |
| 14:10.12 | GAN800 | Stylus + dpad is an amazingly effective mouse/keyboard replacement. |
| 14:10.13 | pupnik | only if done right :) |
| 14:10.32 | GAN800 | Of course. |
| 14:10.52 | GAN800 | But the exact same thing should be said for mouse/keyboard. . . . |
| 14:11.12 | GAN800 | Making a mouse emulate a joystick is clearly not the way to do it. |
| 14:11.22 | pupnik | seen the FPS game ports on Iphone? |
| 14:11.36 | pupnik | makes me want to cough up a hairball |
| 14:11.46 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 14:12.28 | lbt | ok - who wants to help tell the devs who have apps in fremantle extras when they won't build on Mer? |
| 14:13.05 | javispedro | ah lbt, forget about mines, they do dirty install-on-memory card hacks. |
| 14:13.06 | lbt | if you do, pop over to #mer and ask me - would be appreciated :) |
| 14:13.21 | javispedro | for reference: opengfx openttd & openttd-data |
| 14:13.45 | javispedro | (they were a quick upload just to test the sdl palette issue) |
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| 14:19.31 | GAN800 | lbt, wiki page? |
| 14:19.54 | GAN800 | lbt, or borrow X-Fade re-build'n'check scripts? |
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| 14:20.56 | lbt | wiki would do to start - I'm after bodies really |
| 14:22.16 | GAN800 | lbt, I need to round two the package cats thing but Nokia wont ship the goddamn cat updates. . . . |
| 14:23.20 | lbt | I'm interested in fixing that for the installer and the app menu thing |
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| 14:34.34 | pupnik | "Never critisize another person unless you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, if they get upset, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." |
| 14:34.59 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 14:39.04 | aquatix | *grin* |
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| 14:55.01 | chetan | hi. i have a question about assembling the car mount. i read on the forums that the nokia logo peice at the center pops out. is there any knob to push or should i just brute force it? |
| 14:59.43 | chetan | aah.. i was pushing it the wrong way |
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| 15:32.37 | pupnik | Sign for your office: "The flogging will continue until morale improves" |
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| 15:37.21 | lcuk | z4chh, which install guide? |
| 15:39.13 | z4chh | http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=200 |
| 15:39.36 | lcuk | ta, had your breakfast yet? |
| 15:40.06 | z4chh | yep |
| 15:40.27 | lcuk | i got beat at bowling by jake |
| 15:40.30 | javispedro | oh.. maemo-summoner! |
| 15:40.30 | lcuk | and by tracy |
| 15:40.53 | lcuk | javispedro ? |
| 15:41.16 | javispedro | maemo-summoner!! launches a maemo-launcher application under itself |
| 15:41.53 | javispedro | I've been looking for you for too many days, maemo-summoner |
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| 15:42.17 | lcuk | heh, get a room! |
| 15:43.12 | javispedro | you can never read enough diablo reference manual, there's always something new. |
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| 15:43.50 | slonopotamus | -.- |
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| 16:24.51 | kfx | anyone know if fremantle ships with pim apps, and what sync protocol they use? |
| 16:25.05 | kfx | all the symbian stuff ships syncml compliant; wondering if fremantle will join that party |
| 16:25.31 | pupnik | you seem to be conflating applications and operating systems |
| 16:25.46 | pupnik | maybe i'm a fool for resisting that... |
| 16:28.18 | kfx | ok, I'll slow down |
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| 16:28.48 | kfx | s60 ships invariably with a calendar app. my e61, for instance, also ships with a 'sync' app, which supports syncml out of the box. |
| 16:29.17 | kfx | nokia is going to ship fremantle with some applications preinstalled. I am interested in knowing if anyone is familiar with the functionality of those applications |
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| 16:31.35 | Mek | I'm quite sure that anyone that knows what is there can't talk about it :) |
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| 16:32.35 | kfx | that's what I was afraid of |
| 16:32.50 | kfx | it's hard to develop for a system when we don't know what else will be running on it |
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| 16:50.34 | lcuk | hey rm_you |
| 16:51.41 | lcuk | Mek, Mek not very open sourcey to develop in caves :P |
| 16:51.45 | lcuk | -mek lol |
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| 17:34.22 | inz | lcuk, dont all oss devs develop in basements, ie the modern caves |
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| 17:34.55 | lcuk | indeed we do - i even do a modern version of cave painting |
| 17:35.07 | kfx | yeah but we have webcams now |
| 17:35.11 | kfx | intercave |
| 17:35.20 | lcuk | thats goin a bit too far |
| 17:35.25 | kfx | all I want is a webcam in the fremantle devs' offices :V |
| 17:35.36 | lcuk | theres no way i want to see photos from inside your cavern |
| 17:36.10 | lcuk | kfx, theres many apps being developed in the open |
| 17:36.15 | kfx | its okay my wife makes me keep it clean |
| 17:36.23 | lcuk | and things like the native calendar api is able to be used by third parties |
| 17:36.43 | kfx | lcuk: yeah, I'm wondering stuff like are they using EDS again? |
| 17:36.51 | lcuk | i dont know |
| 17:37.32 | lcuk | but its not all closed off (well, the stuff in the open isnt closed off, im not sure what som groups are doing behind closed doors |
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| 17:37.58 | lcuk | but since thats not open and community based and since we dont know if its even in motion yet, do we need to worry |
| 17:38.37 | kfx | native calendar api -- which one would that be? opensync? syncml (funambol? synthesis?)? caldav? etc etc |
| 17:38.38 | lcuk | has a calendar :) |
| 17:38.47 | lcuk | errr i dunno which it is |
| 17:38.51 | lcuk | hold on |
| 17:38.59 | kfx | any urls would be appreciated |
| 17:40.17 | qwerty12_N810 | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/calendar-backend/ |
| 17:43.13 | lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N810 |
| 17:43.27 | lcuk | i just found it myself |
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| 17:44.27 | kfx | oh awesome |
| 17:44.33 | kfx | this is exactly what I was looking for |
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| 17:57.15 | esaym153 | ould be appreciated |
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| 18:02.27 | LinuxCode | koan, ? |
| 18:02.36 | LinuxCode | koan, EFnet koan ? |
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| 18:06.55 | daniel32708 | Hello people! I have been loking in the wiki but I havent been able to find. Is there a way to view kernel messages during startup instead of the Nokia/Maemo screen? |
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| 18:13.33 | lcuk | daniel32708, i believe there is, but the path to obtaining such messages is long and hard. |
| 18:14.06 | VDVsx | daniel32708, http://wiki.maemo.org/Advanced_booting |
| 18:15.40 | VDVsx | lcuk, did you won the bowling match ? lol |
| 18:15.52 | daniel32708 | thx guys |
| 18:15.55 | lcuk | no lol |
| 18:16.00 | lcuk | beaten by a 7 year old |
| 18:16.05 | lcuk | i twittered it didnt i |
| 18:16.36 | VDVsx | nop, you app don't work, :P |
| 18:16.42 | VDVsx | *your |
| 18:16.50 | lcuk | twitter.com/liqbase - ahhh other account |
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| 18:19.09 | lcuk | works for me :P |
| 18:20.58 | LinuxCode | lcuk, what about twatter ? |
| 18:21.09 | LinuxCode | have you made an account yet ? |
| 18:21.14 | daniel32708 | Most PCs have an option in the BIOS that asks for a password before the OS is loaded. THis is good in case the PC (laptop) is stolen, because an unexperienced person wouldnt know how to get around (basically removing bios chip or battery which might clear bios memory in some pcs). Anyways, has somebody tried to do something similar in the Nokia? that is, a "bios password" ? |
| 18:21.21 | lcuk | yeah, theres 2 - my personal one and the liqbase testing one |
| 18:21.27 | lcuk | twitter.com/lcuk |
| 18:21.37 | lcuk | and twitter.com/liqbase |
| 18:21.40 | LinuxCode | lcuk, twatter..not twitter |
| 18:21.47 | lcuk | the liqbase one is where im muckin about with stuff |
| 18:21.49 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:21.52 | LinuxCode | is trying to make a sarcastic joke |
| 18:22.39 | lcuk | it says that "cannot register twatter.com/linuxcode, name taken (UID#1) |
| 18:22.49 | LinuxCode | lcuk, unlikely |
| 18:22.54 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:22.59 | LinuxCode | and if I had the domain, it would be taken |
| 18:23.08 | LinuxCode | in fact, I tried to register it |
| 18:23.12 | LinuxCode | and maike a twitter sppof |
| 18:23.16 | LinuxCode | spoof |
| 18:23.37 | LinuxCode | no, not a spoof website, a spoof as in take the piss, website |
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| 18:31.10 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:43.09 | GAN800 | daniel32708, lock code. |
| 18:43.20 | GAN800 | That's as close as you'll get. |
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| 19:04.26 | pupnik | hahaha |
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| 19:21.05 | qkall | Hey i'm using pidgin with rtcomm and msn keeps saying some error about not able to get contacts network error |
| 19:22.28 | pupnik | what is pidgin |
| 19:23.12 | qkall | A multi client instant messenger |
| 19:23.21 | qkall | Used to be gaim |
| 19:24.48 | zerojayPC | qkall: Are you using qole's fixed libpurple0 ? |
| 19:25.05 | qkall | Hm... Not sure |
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| 19:25.16 | qkall | I'm pretty sure i have the catalog |
| 19:25.37 | zerojayPC | Follow this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=242652&postcount=338 |
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| 19:38.58 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: any idea what javispedro was looking for? |
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| 19:40.51 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: please tell javispedro to try http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=hildon_file_selection_new_with_model instead of /search |
| 19:41.08 | lcuk | ahhh timeless_mbp i dont know what he was looking for |
| 19:41.16 | timeless_mbp | search is incredibly expensive (and basically doesn't work) for a large tree without a file find restriction |
| 19:41.17 | lcuk | but the mxr was slow |
| 19:41.26 | qkall | zerojaypc: thanks it worked |
| 19:41.27 | lcuk | and i was sure you said you were refreshing it |
| 19:41.30 | timeless_mbp | that should be what he was looking for |
| 19:41.40 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 19:41.43 | lcuk | ok timeless_mbp ill try to remember |
| 19:41.47 | timeless_mbp | i do need to update the mxr codebase |
| 19:42.03 | timeless_mbp | but the refresh is mostly adding fremantle which maybe if i have time/energy i'll do this week |
| 19:43.00 | timeless_mbp | just for reference when using mxr, if you're looking for a function, you should really use the identifier search |
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| 19:49.49 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 19:49.56 | timeless_mbp | is maemo.org planning to lose its beta status? |
| 19:50.18 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 19:50.20 | lcuk | is it |
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| 20:12.40 | lcuk | does the n8x0 diablo support using a usb floppy drive? |
| 20:13.03 | qwerty12_N810 | You serious? |
| 20:13.26 | lcuk | am i ever serious |
| 20:13.38 | lcuk | but the question does bring up some things |
| 20:13.45 | lcuk | i gather that drivers exist on desktop side |
| 20:13.49 | LinuxCode | lcuk, loool |
| 20:15.10 | johnsq | lcuk: you can build the drivers self, than you can use the usb drive |
| 20:15.51 | lcuk | thought that would be the answer :) |
| 20:16.05 | lcuk | LinuxCode, there you go :P |
| 20:16.18 | lcuk | you can get stuff onto your 810 :D |
| 20:16.20 | LinuxCode | lcuk, too complicated |
| 20:16.24 | LinuxCode | lol |
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| 20:16.30 | LinuxCode | give me a few days |
| 20:16.36 | lcuk | no1 ever said it would be easy |
| 20:16.38 | LinuxCode | i get my wlan to work again |
| 20:16.42 | LinuxCode | or find the fricking cable |
| 20:16.48 | LinuxCode | lcuk, of course not lol |
| 20:16.50 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
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| 20:17.06 | LinuxCode | just proves the point, anything is possible in linux |
| 20:17.54 | lcuk | indeed it does |
| 20:18.36 | woglinde | hm there are a lot of patches for omap2 on the arm-kernel-ml |
| 20:18.55 | woglinde | wonder if there will be a newer maemo version with latest kernel |
| 20:18.58 | woglinde | for n8xx |
| 20:19.42 | lcuk | that would be good |
| 20:23.38 | johnsq | iirc there was a omap kernel with n8x0 patches |
| 20:23.55 | woglinde | johnsq I want a offical one |
| 20:23.59 | woglinde | an |
| 20:24.00 | woglinde | args |
| 20:25.21 | johnsq | when you want offical version use win-mobil (don't take this serious) |
| 20:26.14 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:26.24 | woglinde | where I find it |
| 20:26.46 | johnsq | we will see if the new zune has it |
| 20:26.54 | woglinde | zune has qt |
| 20:26.56 | woglinde | I bet |
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| 20:27.57 | lcuk | woglinde, zune is ms |
| 20:27.58 | lcuk | wont it be .net? |
| 20:28.09 | woglinde | nope qt for win ce |
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| 20:28.22 | lcuk | heh, cant eat their own dogfood |
| 20:28.22 | woglinde | .net dont has this scrolling stuff |
| 20:28.26 | woglinde | you saw on the video |
| 20:28.40 | lcuk | the scrolling stuff comes from the graphics library invariably written in c or asm |
| 20:28.48 | woglinde | or qt |
| 20:29.14 | pupnik | ponders ... wineCE |
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| 20:29.15 | lcuk | nope, which |
| 20:29.46 | woglinde | *g* |
| 20:30.10 | lcuk | woglinde, i forget qt is closer to metal than .net |
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| 20:34.40 | lcuk | woglinde, you got a link |
| 20:34.49 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:35.04 | woglinde | wazd posteted the link to the zune hd |
| 20:35.11 | woglinde | search in the irc logs |
| 20:36.20 | lcuk | meh |
| 20:36.29 | lcuk | not just for curiousity lol |
| 20:36.47 | lcuk | zerojayPC, you added to liqbase that acct is just my test one lol |
| 20:36.55 | lcuk | not that i mind of course :D |
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| 20:47.28 | timeless_mbp | ok, i've updated the mxr.maemo.org ui :) |
| 20:47.35 | timeless_mbp | well really the engine |
| 20:47.45 | timeless_mbp | iirc GeneralAntilles owes me some branding |
| 20:50.02 | pupnik | congrats timeless_mbp |
| 20:50.15 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: this isn't the addition of fremantle |
| 20:50.30 | timeless_mbp | it's just updating mxr's feature set to match what i've done for mxr upstream |
| 20:50.40 | timeless_mbp | it does mean that some things should work a bit better |
| 20:50.52 | timeless_mbp | sadly other things will require database updates for real benefit to be found |
| 20:51.04 | timeless_mbp | which requires me to actually set up my indexer at work |
| 20:58.12 | lbt | GeneralAntilles: http://mariusv.wordpress.com/2009/08/12/whats-cooking-for-the-application-manager-2/ |
| 21:05.56 | timeless_mbp | sadly marius can't spell to save his reputation |
| 21:06.28 | johnsq | spellinng isn't important for developers |
| 21:06.34 | timeless_mbp | or maybe i can't read at 6mins past midnight |
| 21:07.07 | timeless_mbp | it's the latter, so i definitely need to hunt dinner |
| 21:07.08 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.57 | timeless_mbp | no. |
| 21:09.00 | timeless_mbp | i'm right, he can't spell |
| 21:09.04 | timeless_mbp | somehwere |
| 21:09.34 | timeless_mbp | relies on finns sisu preventing them from asking a spell checker for help |
| 21:09.53 | timeless_mbp | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/22/AR2006032201943.html |
| 21:12.22 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=HildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)->priv&find=XXX&findi=&filter=[Hh]ildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)->priv&hitlimit=&tree=diablo |
| 21:12.28 | timeless_mbp | does the output from that page seem useful? |
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| 21:12.59 | timeless_mbp | (and yes, i'm aware the output is stupid in various amusing ways) |
| 21:14.01 | lcuk | timeless, "Your search was too long, the full search was converted into a filter." |
| 21:14.09 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: yes |
| 21:14.26 | timeless_mbp | the search engine doesn't handle strings > 29 characters |
| 21:14.32 | timeless_mbp | this search is based on a line of text in a file |
| 21:14.37 | timeless_mbp | which is totally bogus as search input :) |
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| 21:14.44 | timeless_mbp | the point is the recovery path |
| 21:15.18 | lcuk | well frankly i dunno what it has done |
| 21:15.21 | lcuk | but it found nothing |
| 21:16.30 | timeless_mbp | there's a line that tries to explain what it was searching |
| 21:16.36 | lcuk | mind you, google cant parse that |
| 21:16.38 | timeless_mbp | and it has helpful suggestions for things you could search instead |
| 21:17.02 | timeless_mbp | the helpful suggestions are new |
| 21:17.07 | lcuk | it does a valiant job and gets me the commits |
| 21:17.10 | timeless_mbp | and are based on javispedro's failing |
| 21:17.22 | timeless_mbp | "commits"? |
| 21:17.35 | lcuk | http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&q=HildonFileSelectionPrivate+*priv+%3D+HILDON_FILE_SELECTION(data)-%3Epriv&meta=&fp=1b311284ac0b25f6 |
| 21:17.56 | lcuk | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-commits@maemo.org/msg02914.html is first restult |
| 21:18.22 | lcuk | how come mxr isnt in google to allow you to setup a custom search front end |
| 21:18.45 | lcuk | as lots of source sites appear to have (I even think itt had a custom google search at some point |
| 21:18.47 | timeless_mbp | because i don't think i can afford the bandwidth |
| 21:19.05 | lcuk | ok reasonable enough, theres a lot of code there |
| 21:19.26 | timeless_mbp | anyway, the reason i asked about "commits" is that you wrote "cant" |
| 21:19.30 | timeless_mbp | which i parsed as "can not" |
| 21:19.37 | timeless_mbp | which seemed like a perfectly reasonable parse! |
| 21:20.05 | lcuk | no, i expected your site to be in the rankings |
| 21:20.33 | lcuk | and dont really think google should be coming to a mailing list - i hate the way it does, it makes finding code hard |
| 21:20.45 | lcuk | or rather, reading code |
| 21:21.11 | lcuk | likes mxr |
| 21:21.18 | lcuk | and following links everywhere :) |
| 21:21.49 | timeless_mbp | i'll ask my host if he thinks we can afford to let google index us |
| 21:23.10 | lcuk | how large is the database itself now |
| 21:23.13 | lcuk | its gotta be mega |
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| 21:24.48 | timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 653M 2008-09-22 14:46 xref |
| 21:24.53 | timeless_mbp | that's just the diablo cross reference |
| 21:25.03 | lcuk | thats smaller than i expected |
| 21:25.15 | timeless_mbp | the corresponding glimpse index is about 100mb |
| 21:25.20 | lcuk | the database of sketches im working with on the tablet is ~115mb |
| 21:25.42 | timeless_mbp | the box has a number of xref's |
| 21:25.53 | lcuk | yeah, is it one db per ref |
| 21:26.09 | timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 731M 2008-09-18 17:02 garage-all/xref |
| 21:26.14 | timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 507M 2009-01-28 06:25 garage/xref |
| 21:26.30 | timeless_mbp | -rw-r--r-- 1 timeless pg922508 530M 2008-09-20 20:20 sardine-20071025/xref |
| 21:26.36 | timeless_mbp | just a random sampling |
| 21:26.41 | lcuk | nods |
| 21:26.46 | timeless_mbp | -rw-rw-r-- 1 timeless pg922508 340M 2009-02-09 14:06 android/xref |
| 21:26.50 | timeless_mbp | very random :) |
| 21:27.07 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:27.46 | lcuk | so you just point it at a source folder and let it munch its way through it? |
| 21:28.00 | timeless_mbp | pretty much |
| 21:28.11 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/android/ |
| 21:28.12 | timeless_mbp | fwiw |
| 21:28.34 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/android/source/ click on the drop down to see a list of the random things that i collected on this host :) |
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| 21:29.08 | lcuk | now i see where the bandwidth issue comes form |
| 21:29.10 | lcuk | from |
| 21:30.22 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 21:30.30 | timeless_mbp | and keep in mind that a bunch of trees have a couple of names |
| 21:30.39 | timeless_mbp | which means i get to pay 2-3x for each name |
| 21:30.39 | lcuk | yeah i can see |
| 21:30.45 | timeless_mbp | plus i have to pay for each identifier |
| 21:30.53 | timeless_mbp | and possibly each search :) |
| 21:31.03 | lcuk | what if you altered tact |
| 21:31.28 | lcuk | and instead of locally hosting attempting a transition to one of the grid databases |
| 21:32.05 | timeless_mbp | did i mention i'm a web 0.9 person |
| 21:32.08 | timeless_mbp | that sounds like web 3.0 |
| 21:32.17 | lcuk | i know |
| 21:32.30 | timeless_mbp | escary |
| 21:32.38 | lcuk | but google have heaps of space on their servers for this kind of stuff |
| 21:32.57 | lcuk | and the processing power they can offer over such large datasets could be good |
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| 21:33.14 | lcuk | (listen to me, i am the person who has gone right back to basics..) |
| 21:33.41 | lcuk | im happiest with regular databases |
| 21:33.42 | pupnik | gardening? |
| 21:33.45 | pupnik | oh |
| 21:34.02 | LinuxCode | pupnik, what is wrong with gardening! |
| 21:34.03 | lcuk | heh, cave painting :P |
| 21:34.21 | lcuk | gardening is good, you can grow bacon |
| 21:35.48 | LinuxCode | gardening is good, it keeps you away froma computer |
| 21:36.13 | LinuxCode | gotta get your Vitamin D somehow |
| 21:36.15 | VDVsx | kicks autobuilder for taking too much time :( |
| 21:36.52 | pupnik | apologises for being useless and offtopic |
| 21:37.09 | pupnik | well i did study some GemRB today |
| 21:37.10 | lbt | timeless_mbp: hi.. do you know about en_gb issue in Mer |
| 21:37.19 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 21:37.24 | timeless_mbp | speak quickly |
| 21:37.27 | timeless_mbp | i'm starving |
| 21:37.27 | lbt | nm |
| 21:37.45 | timeless_mbp | lbt: the only thing i know is that the string set before last had engb date formats |
| 21:37.52 | timeless_mbp | in files that were supposedly enus |
| 21:37.57 | timeless_mbp | for which i was terribly embarassed |
| 21:38.04 | timeless_mbp | i gave Stskeeps fixed strings last week |
| 21:38.17 | lbt | we should be able to use both though? |
| 21:38.20 | timeless_mbp | it will mean that people who want engb will um... have to undo some of those changes |
| 21:38.36 | timeless_mbp | well, nothing prevents someone from taking my strings and maintaining an engb fork |
| 21:38.39 | lbt | mutter |
| 21:38.43 | timeless_mbp | or a simple symlink |
| 21:38.56 | lbt | en_gb should be the main en_* set... ;) |
| 21:38.59 | timeless_mbp | the changes are mostly color, personalize, and date formatting |
| 21:39.21 | qwerty12_N810 | en_GB should be renamed to en |
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| 21:39.42 | lbt | absolutely |
| 21:39.47 | lbt | en_us is the fork |
| 21:40.11 | qwerty12_N810 | (and a bad one at that ;P) |
| 21:41.05 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 21:41.09 | lcuk | lol qwerty |
| 21:41.09 | timeless_mbp | wants to strangle some people |
| 21:41.12 | timeless_mbp | oddly non nokians |
| 21:41.20 | lcuk | qwerty, HIDE |
| 21:41.40 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: you're guilty too: I see you using color :p |
| 21:41.48 | lcuk | im lazy tho |
| 21:41.54 | lcuk | and i dont write in english or american |
| 21:42.06 | lcuk | remember, for me, "canvass" used to be the correct spelling |
| 21:43.14 | timeless_mbp | egads |
| 21:47.36 | lcuk | lol timeless |
| 21:47.50 | lcuk | i had code everywhere that used it |
| 21:50.02 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: anyway, about mxr |
| 21:50.10 | timeless_mbp | the interesting thing from the original url i gave you was: |
| 21:50.17 | timeless_mbp | For faster searches, you could search for these identifiers: HildonFileSelectionPrivate, priv, HILDON_FILE_SELECTION, data, priv |
| 21:50.26 | lcuk | it offered tokenized suggestions as you said |
| 21:50.38 | timeless_mbp | the question is, is that helpful |
| 21:50.50 | timeless_mbp | and is it something you or someone like you would understand and use |
| 21:51.03 | timeless_mbp | if it needs to be presented some other way, i need help :) |
| 21:51.28 | timeless_mbp | should it be in bold on its own line like the search too long bit? |
| 21:51.32 | lcuk | i would be more frustrated at hitting the limit than the suggestions offered to be honest, most of the time - a person wouldnt come to a search like that after one iteration |
| 21:52.00 | lcuk | so in that scenario, it helps randomly, but the user would normally just click back if they are told the query was too long |
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| 21:53.31 | timeless_mbp | i'm assuming the original query was something like this: |
| 21:53.32 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/search?string=hildon_file_selection_new_with_model&find=.&findi=&filter=^[^\0]*%24&hitlimit=&tree=diablo |
| 21:53.35 | timeless_mbp | and that it took too long |
| 21:54.01 | timeless_mbp | except atm it's not taking too long afaict |
| 21:55.50 | lcuk | what if you told them the same |
| 21:55.56 | lcuk | but ran the query with the 29chars |
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| 21:56.33 | lcuk | still give the warning |
| 21:56.44 | lcuk | but least then they get the first section |
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| 22:12.44 | timeless_mbp | i do |
| 22:13.02 | timeless_mbp | the reason the original url gave no output is it was told to only search files named 'xxx' |
| 22:13.12 | timeless_mbp | oddly, some files do have 'xxx' in their name |
| 22:13.12 | lcuk | ahh |
| 22:13.17 | timeless_mbp | so it really did do some work |
| 22:13.22 | timeless_mbp | just not much, which made the query fast |
| 22:13.24 | lcuk | lol, mostly depends on what you are searching for |
| 22:13.30 | lcuk | ok understood |
| 22:13.40 | lcuk | in that context then, its less of an issue |
| 22:13.47 | lcuk | it just looked wrong you not trying at all |
| 22:14.12 | timeless_mbp | historically it wouldn't try at all |
| 22:14.16 | timeless_mbp | but i changed that a while ago |
| 22:14.23 | timeless_mbp | this is technically an unrelated improvement |
| 22:14.44 | timeless_mbp | although i'm hard pressed to come up w/ a case where it's helpful |
| 22:14.46 | timeless_mbp | other than this one |
| 22:15.02 | lcuk | heh ok |
| 22:15.24 | timeless_mbp | will try it on gecko code to see if it's useful |
| 22:16.11 | lcuk | i have to vanish, jakes runnin amok and should be fast asleep |
| 22:16.25 | lcuk | ill catch you later timeless :) |
| 22:17.14 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 22:17.19 | timeless_mbp | now i know why it's doing the wrong thing |
| 22:29.22 | pupnik | i wish i could make the hypnotoad sound play when i joined a room |
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| 22:39.46 | Macer | ok |
| 22:39.50 | Macer | i give up on all my n810 stuff |
| 22:39.53 | Macer | it's pointless :) |
| 22:40.00 | Macer | flashes and puts maemo on it to stay |
| 22:46.02 | Macer | i'll be better off just selling it later after i get an n900 or whatever the want to call it |
| 22:46.08 | Macer | or my vapor book touch |
| 22:46.09 | Macer | haha |
| 22:46.42 | lcuk | n810 is an extremely capable machine |
| 22:46.50 | lcuk | even if used purely as a remote control with bluemaemo :) |
| 22:46.53 | Macer | sure, with maemo on it :) |
| 22:47.04 | Macer | all the alternatives don't work or suck |
| 22:47.51 | pupnik | what isn't working Macer ? |
| 22:48.04 | Macer | well. mer has a ton of gui issues |
| 22:48.11 | timeless_mbp | like what? |
| 22:48.30 | Macer | gentoo wno't boot because it's literally trying to boot from /dev/{EXT_CARD}p1 (where it can't find its linuxrc |
| 22:48.34 | Macer | timeless_mbp: edit the menu |
| 22:48.38 | Macer | the application menu |
| 22:48.41 | Macer | you get stuck |
| 22:48.48 | Macer | or... |
| 22:48.51 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 22:48.53 | Macer | edit the network connections |
| 22:49.05 | timeless_mbp | the registration thing for maemo summit isn't honoring my privacy settings |
| 22:49.10 | timeless_mbp | kicks someone |
| 22:49.12 | Macer | you get stuck again with no way to get out short of either sshing (which didn't work because it kept asking for my password over and over( |
| 22:49.32 | Macer | the strings in the gui are totally borked :) |
| 22:49.40 | timeless_mbp | e.g.? |
| 22:49.45 | Macer | so yo uhave things like hildon_didnt_change_this_ok |
| 22:49.48 | Macer | where just OK should be |
| 22:49.53 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 22:49.55 | timeless_mbp | well um |
| 22:49.57 | Macer | :) |
| 22:50.00 | Macer | i mean that's cosmetic |
| 22:50.04 | timeless_mbp | those are because mer is using an old hildon |
| 22:50.05 | Macer | but the spots where you get totally stuck |
| 22:50.21 | Macer | like i said.. the application menu editor |
| 22:50.24 | Macer | and the network editor |
| 22:50.27 | timeless_mbp | i don't really want to maintain diablo hildon strings together with fremantle hildon |
| 22:50.32 | Macer | are major bugs :) |
| 22:50.46 | pupnik | newp |
| 22:50.47 | Macer | as though a screen behind the one you are on |
| 22:50.50 | timeless_mbp | i'm not even sure how one edits similar things in fremantle |
| 22:50.55 | Macer | has taken over the screen |
| 22:51.01 | Macer | but you can't get to it because there is one in front of it |
| 22:51.02 | pupnik | newp to timeless_mbp, not Macer sory |
| 22:51.12 | timeless_mbp | "newp" ? |
| 22:51.16 | pupnik | that does sound like a bug |
| 22:51.28 | pupnik | the short version of 'nope' |
| 22:51.31 | Macer | pupnik: well. when trying to edit the network |
| 22:51.43 | Macer | the "key access" screen is in teh background |
| 22:51.50 | pupnik | d'oh |
| 22:51.53 | Macer | you can't click ok because the key access menu has taken control |
| 22:51.55 | timeless_mbp | network = network-manager |
| 22:51.58 | Macer | so you're basically just stuck |
| 22:51.59 | timeless_mbp | network-manager = disaster |
| 22:52.04 | timeless_mbp | i tried translating it once |
| 22:52.07 | Macer | timeless_mbp: i don't think it is that |
| 22:52.09 | timeless_mbp | i have the strings i did somewhere |
| 22:52.13 | Macer | i think it is another major bug |
| 22:52.17 | Macer | because |
| 22:52.20 | timeless_mbp | i don't think i gave them to sts yet |
| 22:52.23 | Macer | it does the same thing |
| 22:52.24 | pupnik | Macer, i suspect that a lot of gui-stuff is still unfinished |
| 22:52.32 | Macer | when ediing the application menu |
| 22:52.41 | timeless_mbp | i think they're likely to drop nm in favor of something else |
| 22:52.42 | Macer | is there a way to run stock hildon in mer? |
| 22:52.42 | zerojayPC | What's the name of the syslogd for maemo again? |
| 22:52.46 | pupnik | or rather gui-helper apps. You should have a running terminal to do anything you want ;) |
| 22:52.47 | timeless_mbp | sysklogd |
| 22:52.51 | zerojayPC | Thanks |
| 22:52.56 | Macer | instead of the mer one? |
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| 22:53.14 | timeless_mbp | Macer: stock hildon from maemo4.1 or from maemo5.0? |
| 22:53.22 | Macer | from diablo |
| 22:53.30 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that the strings are from maemo5.0 |
| 22:53.52 | timeless_mbp | you could install the diablo strings from enus1 in extras-devel |
| 22:54.04 | timeless_mbp | that should give you fewer foo_bar_baz_strings |
| 22:54.08 | Macer | timeless_mbp: if i could get to the menus to do it |
| 22:54.12 | Macer | haha |
| 22:54.23 | Macer | but the menu editing was a deal breaker |
| 22:54.29 | Macer | everything is in extras |
| 22:54.34 | Macer | and you can't move it with the gui |
| 22:54.53 | timeless_mbp | pokes repository.maemo.org with a stick |
| 22:54.57 | Macer | everything is put into extras by default no matter where you tell it to go in the menu |
| 22:55.02 | timeless_mbp | language-support-translations-enus1 is the package |
| 22:55.06 | timeless_mbp | if you want to install it w/ apt |
| 22:55.13 | timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/l/ |
| 22:55.16 | Macer | i'd have to re-install mer first |
| 22:55.20 | timeless_mbp | it will pull in ~70 packages |
| 22:55.26 | Macer | which honestly. i think i'll just wait until my n810 is obsolete |
| 22:55.28 | Macer | and run maemo on it |
| 22:55.34 | Macer | and shove it in my car like i was going to |
| 22:55.35 | Macer | ;) |
| 22:55.40 | Macer | and wait for my vaporbook touch |
| 22:55.49 | timeless_mbp | apple vaporbook? |
| 22:55.52 | Macer | no |
| 22:55.55 | Macer | touch book |
| 22:55.58 | Macer | vaporware edition |
| 22:56.15 | Macer | i might actually just get a smartq7 |
| 22:56.18 | Macer | and put debian on it :) |
| 22:56.19 | timeless_mbp | doesn't know that vendor |
| 22:56.28 | Macer | timeless_mbp: made by always innovating |
| 22:56.36 | Macer | it's their version of the pandora |
| 22:57.08 | lcuk | without a keyboard |
| 22:57.12 | lcuk | and with a bigger screen |
| 22:57.16 | lcuk | and no nobbles |
| 22:57.25 | zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Eh... apparently, it cannot be found, even though i remember it being sysklogd like you said. ;/ |
| 22:57.41 | lcuk | and a battery so big i think lifetime is measured in weeks |
| 22:57.42 | timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: what dist and what repos? |
| 22:58.08 | Macer | lcuk: haha |
| 22:58.15 | Macer | hence, vaporware |
| 22:58.21 | zerojayPC | timeless_mbp: Standard diablo. |
| 22:58.24 | Macer | the company literally said they were shipping |
| 22:58.27 | lcuk | smartq7 is nice |
| 22:58.30 | Macer | and yet nobody has gotten 1 in 3 weeks |
| 22:58.34 | Macer | lcuk: yeah |
| 22:58.39 | Macer | i was going to get one and run debian on it |
| 22:58.41 | zerojayPC | Maybe it's in extras-devel? |
| 22:58.42 | Macer | REAL debian |
| 22:58.44 | Macer | haha |
| 22:58.59 | lcuk | its only marginally more powerful than the 810 tho isnt it |
| 22:59.10 | lcuk | lbt, you know better than most |
| 22:59.23 | timeless_mbp | repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sysklogd/ |
| 22:59.28 | jeremiah | I saw one in Copenhagen and it looked pretty cheap to me. |
| 22:59.29 | timeless_mbp | it used to be there in chinook |
| 22:59.38 | lbt | ? |
| 22:59.40 | jeremiah | (the smartq7) |
| 22:59.54 | Macer | heh |
| 22:59.55 | lbt | Q7... it's v. similar to N800 CPU up to 667 though |
| 22:59.59 | Macer | i think it was like 677 |
| 23:00.00 | Macer | yah |
| 23:00.28 | Macer | i'm wondering if it acts more like a pc though than the n800 |
| 23:00.35 | lbt | No |
| 23:00.40 | lbt | it's a big tablet |
| 23:00.46 | Macer | what OS does it run? |
| 23:00.55 | lbt | kinda cute when you plug a USB keyboard in though |
| 23:01.03 | lbt | and use the terminal maximised |
| 23:01.06 | lbt | Mer of course |
| 23:01.14 | Macer | no i mean |
| 23:01.15 | Macer | seriously |
| 23:01.17 | Macer | :) |
| 23:01.20 | Macer | what does it come with haha |
| 23:01.37 | lbt | fairly vanilla ubuntu IIRC |
| 23:01.46 | Macer | ah ok |
| 23:01.50 | lbt | some extra menus - I took piccies |
| 23:01.51 | lbt | it's not good |
| 23:02.09 | Macer | it's like $250 or so right? |
| 23:02.11 | Macer | or something like that? |
| 23:02.21 | lbt | it varies |
| 23:02.30 | lbt | sounds right |
| 23:02.43 | Macer | how's battery life? |
| 23:02.44 | lbt | goshawk sells them with a 2yr warranty IIRC |
| 23:02.47 | Macer | same as this aspire 1? |
| 23:02.48 | Macer | heh |
| 23:02.59 | lbt | not great - Mer still has issues in that area |
| 23:03.15 | lbt | we need to get the kernel to work with powertop |
| 23:03.16 | Macer | won't start with the mer issues |
| 23:03.18 | Macer | :) |
| 23:03.34 | lbt | I thought you ran gentoo ? |
| 23:03.37 | Macer | i tried |
| 23:03.39 | Macer | wouldn't boot |
| 23:03.44 | Macer | had the fb working and everything |
| 23:04.02 | Macer | which was actually cooler in maemo than gentoo |
| 23:04.03 | lbt | ah, I got confused - I mean, mer has some minor issues atm |
| 23:04.05 | Macer | would try to literally use {EXT_CARD}p1 |
| 23:04.14 | lbt | but it just works on my Q7 and N800 |
| 23:04.25 | Macer | as though the string isn't getting passed off to it or something |
| 23:04.26 | Macer | who knows |
| 23:04.28 | Macer | i gave up |
| 23:04.32 | lbt | I only boot diablo for liqbase |
| 23:04.36 | Macer | and just started to put stock maemo on |
| 23:04.40 | lbt | fair enough |
| 23:04.50 | lbt | maybe try again on 0.16 |
| 23:04.53 | Macer | yeah |
| 23:05.00 | lbt | we need devs really |
| 23:05.02 | Macer | i'll probably check it every 5 vers or so ;) |
| 23:05.03 | Macer | haha |
| 23:05.19 | lbt | I'm surprised how few seem to actually be helping out |
| 23:05.38 | Macer | last one i tried before 0.15 was 0.9 |
| 23:05.42 | Macer | and honestly |
| 23:05.51 | Macer | the gui seems the same :) |
| 23:06.03 | Macer | horribly immature and broken |
| 23:06.27 | Macer | i mean i'm sure you guys did a ton of work on the base.. but yeah.. i'm not too bad with this stuff and it like... is wow |
| 23:06.30 | lbt | well, neither me nor sts are gtk coders - and "community developed" doesn't mean "wait for someone else to do it" |
| 23:06.49 | Macer | lbt: not a CS major ;) |
| 23:07.09 | lbt | yeah, I didn't mean you specially |
| 23:07.31 | Macer | truth be told |
| 23:07.42 | Macer | i think someone will simply port maemo 5 over to the n810 |
| 23:07.46 | Macer | later on :) |
| 23:07.59 | Macer | and i dont mean mer |
| 23:08.13 | lbt | err, Mer is maemo5 ported to the n810 |
| 23:08.17 | lbt | the free bits |
| 23:08.24 | Macer | yah well.. |
| 23:08.33 | Macer | i have the feeling someone will port actual maemo 5 over |
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| 23:09.18 | lbt | more likely if we get more drivers |
| 23:09.25 | lbt | anyhow... it's late |
| 23:09.26 | lbt | 'night all |
| 23:09.30 | Macer | good night |
| 23:11.36 | pupnik | mmm A-One beef ramen is relatively good |
| 23:13.03 | jeremiah | Relative to what? Dog food? |
| 23:14.59 | pupnik | other ramen brands, silly |
| 23:15.07 | timeless_mbp | grins |
| 23:15.10 | pupnik | not sure it's worth the cost |
| 23:15.13 | timeless_mbp | i had fun w/ a bug last week |
| 23:15.25 | timeless_mbp | someone filed a bug, and was told that they were smoking something |
| 23:15.32 | timeless_mbp | someone defended the bug filer |
| 23:15.50 | timeless_mbp | i called the defender by phone and then chewed him out while he was on speaker phone |
| 23:16.20 | timeless_mbp | then i verified the bug as invalid indicating he had agreed by phone (i had a number of ear witnesses) |
| 23:16.59 | timeless_mbp | someone was afraid the bug would be "reopened" because the wrong person did the verification, but it was closed recently, so i don't think the bug will try to return to the land of the living :) |
| 23:17.36 | pupnik | rereads |
| 23:18.05 | pupnik | ahhhh |
| 23:18.38 | pupnik | yes, likely :) |
| 23:18.48 | timeless_mbp | actually that summary is missing the point where i resolved the bug as invalid before the defender stepped in, but ... |
| 23:19.22 | timeless_mbp | so... one thing i ask of people here |
| 23:19.32 | timeless_mbp | could you take some time and describe how/where you use your tablets |
| 23:19.50 | pupnik | where? |
| 23:19.52 | timeless_mbp | what sort of network environment (signal quality) |
| 23:19.59 | timeless_mbp | stationary, moving, @home, @work, @train |
| 23:20.32 | pupnik | here? now? |
| 23:20.34 | timeless_mbp | under those conditions, do you expect/tolerate different results? do you do different things? |
| 23:20.37 | Stskeeps | Macer: we'd have gone with fremantle hildon desktop if we could. fact: it's too bloody tied up in clutter. |
| 23:20.44 | timeless_mbp | survey your last year or so |
| 23:20.48 | javispedro | timeless, fwiw, I just read the logs -- hope I remember to do ident searches in the future :P |
| 23:20.54 | Stskeeps | and hence to the 3d drivers |
| 23:20.58 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: =) |
| 23:21.10 | timeless_mbp | mxr should help you there, since it'll now suggest them :) |
| 23:21.28 | lcuk | Stskeeps, my god, your wife is forgiving lol |
| 23:21.41 | lcuk | :) hope you had a good day |
| 23:21.49 | timeless_mbp | also, i think the front page has changed so now highlights ident search |
| 23:22.00 | timeless_mbp | otoh, it doesn't do it in a way that means much if you don't know what it is |
| 23:22.10 | lcuk | lbt, o_O i am the sticker for maemo |
| 23:22.15 | lcuk | does liqbase run on your smartq |
| 23:22.54 | Stskeeps | Macer: so before complaining i'd like to see you approach the problem better with absolutely no clear indication of how many parts of fremantle ui looked like, and design for that. |
| 23:23.22 | javispedro | thanks timeless and sorry if I caused too much mayhem :) |
| 23:23.23 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: just reimplement windows 3.1 |
| 23:23.32 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: nah, no problem |
| 23:23.38 | timeless_mbp | although it usually is better to include a url |
| 23:23.46 | timeless_mbp | the fact that i had server logs is not typical |
| 23:23.55 | timeless_mbp | "something is broken" |
| 23:24.01 | timeless_mbp | is the input i usually get from a manager |
| 23:24.06 | timeless_mbp | and definitely does not endear them to me |
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| 23:24.27 | timeless_mbp | since i work on web browsers, and web servers, people can usually say "this url <...> doesn't load" |
| 23:24.41 | timeless_mbp | and that is much easier to deal with than "something is broken" |
| 23:25.16 | javispedro | oh, I know that. "it doesn't work" instead of the way more useful even though still pretty generic "outputs useless data". |
| 23:25.41 | javispedro | sometimes I would pay to know that before I have to move my ass :P |
| 23:26.24 | timeless_mbp | anyway... |
| 23:26.56 | timeless_mbp | i'm considering talking about "problems facing mobile browser developers" at Maemo Summit |
| 23:27.31 | timeless_mbp | although that's not a sexy title for a session |
| 23:27.52 | Stskeeps | 'd try to hear that session |
| 23:28.10 | timeless_mbp | "why it would be bad if the browser bought you 2 cars when you were only trying to buy 1" might be better, if only a tad bit long |
| 23:28.35 | timeless_mbp | that was the invalid bug btw |
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| 23:29.12 | timeless_mbp | anyway, it'd help me if people could describe (in mailto timeless@gmail) |
| 23:29.20 | timeless_mbp | how they try to use their "mobile" devices |
| 23:29.37 | timeless_mbp | especially the wheres, whens, hows, expectations, failings,... |
| 23:29.53 | timeless_mbp | in a span of 2 days i had two people describing interesting scenarios |
| 23:30.15 | timeless_mbp | day 1, buying 2 cars. day 2, a chance to order two hotel rooms |
| 23:30.35 | Stskeeps | i often book train tickets. |
| 23:30.51 | Stskeeps | very useful on the go. |
| 23:31.11 | javispedro | timeless, will guess. he bought two cars because he tried to go back and the browser POST'd same data twice and some idiot on the server side did not handle that? |
| 23:31.16 | javispedro | *wild guess. |
| 23:31.25 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: approximately |
| 23:31.43 | timeless_mbp | it was actually he wanted the browser to automatically POST again if he intentionally changed networks |
| 23:31.49 | timeless_mbp | (or accidentally changed networks, he didn't care) |
| 23:32.08 | timeless_mbp | i had to explain to him why it would be a bad idea to buy two cars for the user |
| 23:32.28 | timeless_mbp | it was a very very funny conversation, and my coworkers enjoyed it |
| 23:32.47 | javispedro | that scenario happened to me.. on fax. |
| 23:32.54 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 23:33.10 | timeless_mbp | if you could transcribe your story and send it to me by email, that'd be great |
| 23:33.17 | timeless_mbp | i'd love to be able to mention it when i give my talk |
| 23:33.17 | javispedro | it's not tablet related :P |
| 23:33.37 | timeless_mbp | no, but it's related in that it explains how these things can happen |
| 23:33.40 | t_s_o | why am i reminded of the cuban crisis... |
| 23:33.46 | timeless_mbp | and why browsers can't simply do certain things |
| 23:34.00 | timeless_mbp | t_s_o: cuban missile or some other crisis? |
| 23:34.13 | t_s_o | that would be the one |
| 23:34.46 | timeless_mbp | well, there was water between me and the reporter |
| 23:34.53 | timeless_mbp | mostly a lot of land |
| 23:34.53 | t_s_o | heh |
| 23:35.10 | timeless_mbp | which given that the instigator of the crisis was russia and not cuba |
| 23:35.19 | timeless_mbp | i guess the same would apply (all of europe being mostly land) |
| 23:35.40 | timeless_mbp | there was also a language barrier |
| 23:35.55 | timeless_mbp | (only one of us spoke English natively, even though we were all ostensibly conversing in it) |
| 23:36.14 | timeless_mbp | the moves were telegraphed (if you consider bugzilla a telegraph like thing) |
| 23:36.45 | pupnik | timeless_mbp: do i understand correctly that you would like concrete examples rather than "i websurf a lot at home, less on the go" |
| 23:37.09 | timeless_mbp | concrete examples would definitely be better |
| 23:37.28 | timeless_mbp | e.g. saying "i use my device in an airplane" or "i use my device on a train" |
| 23:37.46 | javispedro | what I learnt is that this scenario should be handled server side. something can & will go wrong on the client (disconnection while downloading response page, or, as in my case, the fax software (outlook, go figure) wrongly considering it didn't went through ). |
| 23:37.50 | timeless_mbp | isn't as good as "i use my device weekly on roundtrip plane rides from WAS to SFO" |
| 23:38.33 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: well, thing is, while it'd be nice if servers weren't stupid |
| 23:38.36 | timeless_mbp | in fact, they are :) |
| 23:38.39 | pupnik | ... "to access ...." |
| 23:39.03 | timeless_mbp | note that if you're using planes, you should mention whether they have WiFi allowed or banned and GPRS allowed or banned |
| 23:39.19 | pupnik | i'm wondering if you're more interested in what situations one uses it in, or what kinds of sites / transactions people do |
| 23:39.31 | timeless_mbp | if you're using trains, please indicate if your service has WiFi, or various fluctuations in GPRS network conditions |
| 23:39.42 | timeless_mbp | well, thing is |
| 23:40.00 | timeless_mbp | imagine you could have a device |
| 23:40.04 | timeless_mbp | and you only used it in your home |
| 23:40.16 | timeless_mbp | why would you care how big/bulky/heavy it was? |
| 23:40.23 | timeless_mbp | or how long its battery lasted? |
| 23:40.37 | pupnik | because i have to do a lot of work at home and need to be mobile |
| 23:40.41 | javispedro | easy: night bed reading. |
| 23:40.44 | pupnik | maybe *your* home is a cardboard box... |
| 23:40.47 | timeless_mbp | if you only use it at home and at work, and both are capable of charging it, why do you care how long its battery lasts? |
| 23:41.10 | timeless_mbp | things like that |
| 23:41.13 | pupnik | a ok |
| 23:41.26 | timeless_mbp | do you actually use it while walking from point A to point B in a building? |
| 23:41.26 | pupnik | well that got me started |
| 23:41.30 | timeless_mbp | why? |
| 23:41.31 | timeless_mbp | etc. |
| 23:41.43 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i walk around Nokia w/ my MacBook Pro open |
| 23:41.45 | javispedro | timeless, open a tmo thread :) |
| 23:41.51 | timeless_mbp | so that i can keep my irc sessions alive |
| 23:42.12 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: open one for me and summarize the results ;-) |
| 23:42.16 | timeless_mbp | isn't touching tmo |
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| 23:42.48 | kfx | 18:39 < timeless_mbp> so that i can keep my irc sessions alive |
| 23:42.48 | zerojayPC | I love how it's almost impossible to convince apt-get that there's a deb in the current directory that I'd like to install. |
| 23:42.56 | kfx | this sounds like someone who needs to man screen |
| 23:42.59 | zerojayPC | apt-get install ./crap.deb doesn't work. |
| 23:43.03 | zerojayPC | apt-get install crap.deb doesn't work. |
| 23:43.04 | timeless_mbp | zerojayPC: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 23:43.06 | kfx | zerojayPC: dpkh -i |
| 23:43.08 | zerojayPC | ok |
| 23:43.13 | kfx | TOO SLOW, KFX |
| 23:43.19 | kfx | also too typoed |
| 23:43.22 | timeless_mbp | kfx: i have scree sessions |
| 23:43.25 | kfx | I give up forever |
| 23:43.26 | timeless_mbp | points to timeless |
| 23:43.35 | timeless_mbp | sreen |
| 23:43.37 | timeless_mbp | screen |
| 23:43.43 | timeless_mbp | ok, i seem to really need food |
| 23:43.47 | kfx | seems like a lot of work to maintain an extra irc session |
| 23:43.59 | timeless_mbp | well, it isn't the only reason |
| 23:44.07 | kfx | I know |
| 23:44.15 | kfx | secretly, you just want everyone to know you have a mac |
| 23:44.19 | timeless_mbp | the point is that in a building, i don't mind carrying a laptop |
| 23:44.29 | timeless_mbp | kfx: a mac that required something like 3 layers of approvals :) |
| 23:44.41 | timeless_mbp | (after a mac purchasing freeze!) |
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| 23:45.02 | kfx | I hope you then installed slackware on it, just to spite the purchasing dept |
| 23:45.02 | timeless_mbp | so yeah, there could be something to that ;-) |
| 23:45.14 | timeless_mbp | um, no |
| 23:45.23 | timeless_mbp | but i do have virtualbox, w7, opensolaris, and mer on it :) |
| 23:45.41 | kfx | man I'm about to have to brush up on solaris |
| 23:45.50 | kfx | :( |
| 23:46.18 | timeless_mbp | the purchasing department isn't a problem |
| 23:46.21 | kfx | I was looking at canadian sysadmin jobs and they all demand solaris experience and I can't figure out why |
| 23:46.26 | timeless_mbp | the reimbursement and it service departments otoh |
| 23:46.56 | timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not trying very hard w/ the reimbursement department |
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| 23:59.11 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I dun own you shit. |
| 23:59.19 | GeneralAntilles | ohwait |