| 00:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | Awesome new mark against capacitive. |
| 00:09.52 | GeneralAntilles | You can't type with a Band-Aid on your thumb. |
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| 00:13.02 | javispedro | you can't type either if you're an undead. |
| 00:15.05 | javispedro | "The science behind the touch-sensitive technology is known as capacitive sensing, which stores the energy created between users' fingers and the wheel itself. This technology dates back to 1919." lol. |
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| 00:19.33 | Macer | ok |
| 00:19.35 | Macer | back to this crap |
| 00:19.36 | Macer | heh |
| 00:20.51 | Macer | wtf |
| 00:21.11 | Macer | ./initfs_flash &> initfs_flash.log didn't work |
| 00:21.14 | Macer | i need to copy the output |
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| 00:25.46 | Macer | damn |
| 00:25.51 | Macer | bootmenu.conf was messed up |
| 00:25.54 | Macer | that sucks |
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| 00:35.47 | Macer | reasons like this are why everybody should always start from scratch when coding |
| 00:35.47 | Macer | haha |
| 00:36.45 | Macer | 3rd time's a charm :) |
| 00:37.16 | GeneralAntilles | Here's a chilling thought: what the Health Department thought was MRSA-CA, the infectious disease doctor says is poison oak. |
| 00:37.47 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: fear sells |
| 00:38.06 | GeneralAntilles | Macer, the Health Department doesn't have anything to sell. |
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| 00:43.01 | Macer | wtf |
| 00:43.24 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: yeah. i'm sure the health department has a bunch of people that work for it with no stock in medical supplies and treatment somewhere :) |
| 00:43.46 | Macer | CRAP |
| 00:43.53 | Macer | wtf am i doing wrong with this bootmenu.conf |
| 00:45.26 | Macer | [ -d "/sys/block/${INT_CARD}/${MENU_2_DEVICE}" ] || MENU_2_NAME="(${MENU_2_NAME}) N/A" |
| 00:45.36 | Macer | that one works fien. the other menu is the same but i keep getting |
| 00:46.02 | Macer | (Maemo - EXT SD) N/A in teh actual menu |
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| 00:46.57 | Macer | http://pastebin.com/dd33afb3 |
| 00:47.07 | Macer | can someoen look at that and tell me why that 3rd menu is messed up? |
| 00:53.20 | divide_by_zero | I was having a beer today and this laywer saw my N800 and was intrigued. I told him all about Maemo and nokia... One more suit has been informed! :) |
| 00:53.45 | Macer | oh |
| 00:53.46 | Macer | nm |
| 00:54.02 | Macer | divide_by_zero: oh lord |
| 00:54.08 | Macer | way to fuck it up for the rest of the world |
| 00:54.09 | Macer | haha |
| 00:54.37 | Macer | i think i am going to go ahead and install mer on the external Sd |
| 00:54.38 | Macer | SD |
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| 01:03.44 | Macer | hm |
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| 01:18.00 | lardman|farcry2 | night all |
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| 01:25.18 | Macer | nobody in #mer heh |
| 01:25.26 | Macer | blah. i'll figure it out myself when i install the installer again |
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| 02:34.27 | fureddo | I'm trying to make a deb file for my application. How can I test it in the Hildon Application Framework? |
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| 02:38.58 | divide_b1_zero | Everybody I show my N800 asks if they can enlarge pictures the multi-touch way, like in the iPhone. Does that happen to you? |
| 02:39.16 | divide_b1_zero | It seems pinching is the fashion today. |
| 02:41.02 | fureddo | In the Application Manager, there is an option to install from file. However, I don't know where to put the deb file so that it's accessible from the File Selector. |
| 02:41.21 | b-man16 | really wishes he had his tablet right now :P |
| 02:47.36 | divide_b1_zero | fureddo: you just want to install the package, or test the GUI way to install? Because you can just use dpkg, I think... |
| 02:48.31 | fureddo | I tried this : fakeroot dpkg -i deb_file |
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| 02:49.03 | fureddo | No errors is shown. |
| 02:49.18 | fureddo | But I don't see the application in the Hildon environment. |
| 02:50.42 | b-man16 | what was the application package? |
| 02:51.09 | fureddo | How can I answer that :-) ? |
| 02:51.37 | fureddo | Is there a command I can run to know that? |
| 02:52.18 | fureddo | The application package is my own application. |
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| 02:52.51 | b-man16 | did it have a desktop file? |
| 02:53.14 | fureddo | Oh! That's an interesting question!! |
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| 02:55.25 | b-man16 | you will need a desktop file in order to launch your application from hildon |
| 02:55.45 | fureddo | I think the .desktop file is not located in the right directory. I will move it manually and check if it works. |
| 02:56.17 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-2-the-control-flash/ |
| 02:56.21 | Macer | i think i am making that too long :) |
| 02:57.10 | fureddo | It works! |
| 02:58.21 | fureddo | Now.... I have another problem. When running the application in ARMEL target, I get many error messages that look like : |
| 02:59.04 | fureddo | Error: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) 9 Major opcode: 62 (X_CopyArea) |
| 02:59.19 | fureddo | Sounds familiair to anyone? |
| 02:59.26 | b-man16 | hmm |
| 03:02.03 | b-man16 | i have no idea :( |
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| 03:22.56 | fureddo | Is someone available to test my application for i386 architecture? |
| 03:23.24 | fureddo | Just for information, here is the website of the application: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net |
| 03:23.54 | Macer | i need to install mer |
| 03:29.16 | fureddo | The deb file is accessible here: http://www.fbergeron.com/tmp/tomotko-0.11.2-1maemo1_i386.deb |
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| 03:37.57 | Macer | wtf |
| 03:37.59 | Macer | goddamnti |
| 03:38.15 | Macer | this damn initfs_flash is going to be the end of my sanity :) |
| 03:40.18 | Macer | "booting from mmc0 (mmcblk1p2) |
| 03:40.23 | Macer | where the hell is it getting that damn device name from |
| 03:40.25 | Macer | ARGh |
| 03:40.42 | Macer | it's the internal sd!!@# |
| 03:42.31 | GeneralAntilles | ~boot-sd |
| 03:42.32 | infobot | it has been said that boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 03:42.35 | GeneralAntilles | Describes the device names. |
| 03:42.53 | Macer | GeneralAntilles: that isn't the right device name though |
| 03:42.54 | Macer | it is booting |
| 03:43.03 | Macer | but it is telling me that it is booting the wrong device |
| 03:43.10 | Macer | the internal device is mmcblk0 |
| 03:43.21 | Macer | the maemo cline is p2 so it should say mmcblk0p2 |
| 03:43.35 | Macer | instead for some reason it is saying mmcblk1p2 when it boots |
| 03:46.16 | Macer | let me try to find out where it's messing up |
| 03:46.25 | Macer | it's just the booting msg but shit like that drives me nutty |
| 03:52.37 | fureddo | I just made a armel deb file here: http://www.fbergeron.com/tmp/tomotko-0.11.2-1maemo1_armel.deb |
| 03:52.41 | fureddo | Anyone can test it? |
| 03:56.26 | Macer | what is tomotko? |
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| 03:56.43 | Macer | sorry. i'm trying to get my n810 right with the bootmenu otherwise i would |
| 03:57.06 | fureddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.22 | fureddo | It's a flashcard application to learn vocabulary in a foreign language. |
| 03:59.48 | fureddo | I'm going out for lunch. I hope someone would have tested my little app when I'm back. |
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| 04:01.41 | Macer | omg |
| 04:01.45 | Macer | this shit is driving me up teh goddamn wall |
| 04:02.06 | Macer | is there somewhere else that maemo keeps its information that it writes from bootmenu.conf |
| 04:02.14 | Macer | i have no idea why it is showing this booting as mmcblk1p2 |
| 04:02.16 | Macer | instead of blk0 |
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| 04:09.34 | Macer | :( |
| 04:11.12 | Macer | ARGH |
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| 04:13.20 | jaem_N810 | hi, I'm trying to set up NAT on my N810, in order to share its wireless with my desktop over USBnet |
| 04:13.40 | jaem_N810 | I've been following this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=26090 |
| 04:14.14 | jaem_N810 | at this point, I can ping my N810's USB interface (192.168.2.1), but not further |
| 04:15.01 | jaem_N810 | I'm not very savvy about networking, so I while I know the gist of what I'm doing, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong |
| 04:15.13 | Macer | it uses iptables? |
| 04:15.17 | jaem_N810 | yes |
| 04:15.27 | jaem_N810 | using both sets of modules linked in that thread |
| 04:15.33 | Macer | can the n810 use the internet? |
| 04:15.43 | jaem_N810 | yep - I'm chatting on it |
| 04:15.53 | Macer | then teh problem is in your iptables routing |
| 04:16.01 | jaem_N810 | so I surmised |
| 04:16.01 | Macer | and also make sure the clients are using it correctly |
| 04:16.09 | Macer | and you also need masqing modules loaded |
| 04:16.17 | jaem_N810 | they're all loaded |
| 04:16.18 | Macer | i've never done it myself on an n810 |
| 04:16.25 | Macer | but i've done it on linux boxes before |
| 04:16.36 | Macer | make sure the clients are set up properly |
| 04:16.37 | jaem_N810 | is there anything I can check that might help you diagnose it? |
| 04:16.41 | Macer | and are using the n810 as a gateway |
| 04:16.54 | jaem_N810 | my desktop (Arch Linux) is as far as I can tell |
| 04:17.05 | jaem_N810 | I just can't ping past the N810 |
| 04:17.06 | Macer | they also need a dns (unless you are running some sort of dns stuff on the n810) |
| 04:17.17 | jaem_N810 | I have it configured statically |
| 04:17.20 | Macer | have you tried to ping by ip? |
| 04:17.23 | Macer | instead of name? |
| 04:17.23 | jaem_N810 | yes |
| 04:17.30 | jaem_N810 | DNS isn't the problem |
| 04:17.40 | Macer | the client can nslookup? |
| 04:17.50 | jaem_N810 | I just get a "network unreachable" outside of the 192.168.2.x subnet |
| 04:18.04 | jaem_N810 | so no, to you last question |
| 04:18.20 | Macer | if it were me i'd leavec the thread |
| 04:18.22 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 04:18.30 | Macer | and find a linux based nating website |
| 04:18.40 | Macer | you usually just need 2 iptables lines to get it going properly |
| 04:18.48 | jaem_N810 | there's one linked there - that's the instructions I used. |
| 04:18.56 | jaem_N810 | http://www.revsys.com/writings/quicktips/nat.html |
| 04:19.35 | Macer | :) |
| 04:19.38 | Macer | did you do that like |
| 04:19.40 | Macer | cut/pasting? |
| 04:20.16 | jaem_N810 | yes, but replacing eth1 with usb0, and eth0 with wlan0 |
| 04:20.16 | Macer | i'm just asking .. you may want to double check to make sure your device names are correct |
| 04:20.33 | jaem_N810 | okay |
| 04:20.36 | Macer | and... |
| 04:20.41 | Macer | make sure they are in the right place |
| 04:20.52 | jaem_N810 | usb0 should correspond to eth1 in that article, right? |
| 04:20.59 | jaem_N810 | I'm not really confused? ;) |
| 04:21.11 | Macer | well |
| 04:21.37 | Macer | what are the clients connected to? |
| 04:21.47 | Macer | the wired connection i'm guessing |
| 04:21.55 | jaem_N810 | usb0 is the iface connected to my desktop |
| 04:21.55 | Macer | i doubt you can put the n810 in ap mode with the wifi |
| 04:22.09 | Macer | rewind |
| 04:22.13 | jaem_N810 | kk |
| 04:22.31 | Macer | i dunno. it's hard to visualize it without doing it |
| 04:22.36 | Macer | so you have a wired connection |
| 04:22.40 | jaem_N810 | N810's wifi is connected to router (too far for a cable to my desktop). |
| 04:22.54 | jaem_N810 | N810's USB port is connected to desktop |
| 04:23.03 | Macer | and clients are going through the desktop ? |
| 04:23.08 | Macer | to the n810 |
| 04:23.11 | Macer | out to the internets? |
| 04:23.14 | jaem_N810 | I want to connect my desktop to the internet through my N810 |
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| 04:23.25 | jaem_N810 | there are no other clients |
| 04:23.38 | Macer | so you are just setting up usb networking for 1 pc through the n810 |
| 04:23.52 | Macer | i'm guessing a pc that doesn't have a wifi card ;) |
| 04:24.01 | jaem_N810 | I'm just too cheap/poor to buy a wifi dongle for the desktop - so I'm using my N810 as a replacement |
| 04:24.02 | jaem_N810 | yeah |
| 04:24.05 | jaem_N810 | exactly |
| 04:24.30 | Macer | well.. i've never doen it before but that first line should be usb0 |
| 04:24.32 | Macer | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:24.37 | Macer | eth0/usb0 |
| 04:24.43 | jaem_N810 | that would explain it >_< |
| 04:24.48 | jaem_N810 | let me try that |
| 04:24.48 | Macer | since that is the local connection doing the masqing |
| 04:25.08 | jaem_N810 | do I have to flush my iptables configuration, or can I just change it? |
| 04:25.20 | Macer | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 04:25.46 | Macer | eth0/usb0 .. and eth1/wlan0 on the n810 |
| 04:26.08 | Macer | iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:26.23 | Macer | eth1/wlan0 eth0/usb0 |
| 04:26.26 | Macer | that is the return |
| 04:26.33 | Macer | first line allows masqing |
| 04:26.39 | jaem_N810 | ah |
| 04:26.40 | Macer | 2nd sends it out .. 3rd brings it back |
| 04:26.42 | jaem_N810 | let me try that |
| 04:27.00 | Macer | at least i'm pretty sure that's right. haven't done it in a while :) |
| 04:27.07 | Macer | used to stay up entire nights with iptables sometimes |
| 04:27.08 | Macer | haha |
| 04:27.18 | jaem_N810 | heh |
| 04:27.51 | Macer | heh |
| 04:27.53 | Macer | you might also consider |
| 04:27.59 | Macer | just buying a $5 wifi card haha |
| 04:28.24 | Macer | or just getting a usb wifi |
| 04:28.55 | Macer | ok. i need to get back to this crap and find out where bootmenu.conf and initfs_flash went horribly wrong |
| 04:29.05 | Macer | well. not horribly.. it still boots.. but it's giving me the wrong damn device names |
| 04:29.08 | Macer | heh |
| 04:29.43 | jaem_N810 | thanks - it's still not working, though |
| 04:29.50 | jaem_N810 | I may have done something stupid |
| 04:29.54 | Macer | lol |
| 04:30.02 | Macer | you're almost going to get me to hook it up to find out |
| 04:30.03 | Macer | :) |
| 04:30.10 | jaem_N810 | should iptables -t nat -L show anything other than the masquerade line? |
| 04:30.11 | Macer | but i've never done the usb networking so i'm sorry |
| 04:30.12 | jaem_N810 | heh |
| 04:30.29 | Macer | honestly don't remember sorry |
| 04:30.30 | jaem_N810 | that part's working fine - I just don't know iptables |
| 04:30.41 | jaem_N810 | okay, don't worry about it ;) |
| 04:30.42 | Macer | and you can ping the n810 huh? |
| 04:30.45 | jaem_N810 | yep |
| 04:30.54 | fureddo | I'm back. Anyone has tried to install tomotko? |
| 04:31.15 | jaem_N810 | the desktop's default route is set to the N810's usb address, as gateway |
| 04:31.30 | Macer | what is the ip on the desktop? |
| 04:31.38 | jaem_N810 | 192.168.2.2 |
| 04:31.46 | Macer | and usb0 on the n810...? |
| 04:31.52 | jaem_N810 | 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:31.59 | Macer | hm |
| 04:32.02 | jaem_N810 | my router is 192.168.1.1 |
| 04:32.13 | Macer | well |
| 04:32.26 | Macer | hm.... |
| 04:32.35 | Macer | let me see if i can find the iptables rules on my router |
| 04:32.42 | Macer | and try to see if i can find anything that might help |
| 04:32.52 | jaem_N810 | the forwarding commands didn't have any visible effect, but neither did they throw up errors |
| 04:33.15 | Macer | uhm |
| 04:33.21 | Macer | before you switched the devices around |
| 04:33.22 | Macer | did you do |
| 04:33.25 | Macer | iptables -F |
| 04:33.28 | Macer | to flush the table? :) |
| 04:33.50 | Macer | i think you may have had to flush the nat table too but i can't remember how to do it |
| 04:33.53 | Macer | maybe iptables -nat -F |
| 04:34.09 | Macer | otherwise you're going to have everything in there |
| 04:34.18 | Macer | and have a bunch of confused pkts |
| 04:34.57 | jaem_N810 | yes, I flushed it |
| 04:35.16 | Macer | hm... try rebooting.... connect to your router with the n810.. and do the iptables commands like i said |
| 04:35.26 | Macer | actually |
| 04:35.37 | Macer | i don't thin that would matter |
| 04:35.40 | Macer | since you're on the n810 now |
| 04:36.06 | Macer | sorry. wish i could be more help but those lines are pretty straight forward |
| 04:36.19 | jaem_N810 | hrm |
| 04:36.32 | jaem_N810 | is there a way I can check that they took effect? |
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| 04:37.21 | Macer | one sec.... |
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| 04:37.51 | Macer | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:37.53 | Macer | should say 1 |
| 04:38.44 | jaem_N810 | yes |
| 04:38.45 | Macer | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o usb0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:38.53 | Macer | (internal network goign out) |
| 04:39.06 | Macer | ah crap wait |
| 04:39.13 | Macer | /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wlan0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 04:39.33 | jaem_N810 | k |
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| 04:40.04 | gogol | hi maemo |
| 04:40.07 | Macer | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan0 -o usb0 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 04:40.57 | gogol | anybody know a dbus signal that would bring up the onscreen thumb keyboard? or another way I could assign a keystroke ? |
| 04:41.03 | Macer | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -i usb0 -o wlan0 -j ACCEPT |
| 04:41.58 | tl | how to implement a transparent bubble in maemo ? |
| 04:42.08 | Macer | those 3 lines seem like they fit your situation |
| 04:42.25 | Macer | wlan0 is your external |
| 04:42.28 | Macer | usb0 is your internal |
| 04:42.45 | tl | Is there anyone who know of it ? |
| 04:42.51 | Macer | so in that example eth0 should be wlan0 |
| 04:42.56 | Macer | and eth1 should be wlan0 |
| 04:43.02 | Macer | argh |
| 04:43.03 | Macer | damnit |
| 04:43.16 | Macer | eth0 shoudl be wlan0 and eth1 should be usb0 |
| 04:43.17 | Macer | heh |
| 04:43.29 | tl | Lately,i am learning maemo,who can help me ? |
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| 04:44.26 | Macer | i honestly think the real problem may be that you are going through yet another router on a local subnet |
| 04:44.34 | Macer | a different subnet actually |
| 04:44.48 | Macer | you may need to bridge the subnets with iptables to get all the way out |
| 04:45.14 | jaem_N810 | hrm |
| 04:45.26 | jaem_N810 | is that complicated? |
| 04:45.41 | jaem_N810 | or is there an easier way to do this entirely? |
| 04:45.44 | Macer | it shouldn't be. but i only did it once like 4 years ago |
| 04:45.45 | Macer | haha |
| 04:45.48 | jaem_N810 | lol |
| 04:45.53 | Macer | well... if it were me |
| 04:45.53 | jaem_N810 | I'll look it up |
| 04:46.04 | Macer | i'd probably try to figure out how to bridge the 2 net connections |
| 04:46.12 | Macer | the usb0 and whatever is on the pc |
| 04:46.15 | Macer | and give them 1 ip |
| 04:46.32 | Macer | and try to get them on the same subnet as the 2nd card |
| 04:46.34 | Macer | whcih is wlan0 |
| 04:46.37 | jaem_N810 | usb0 on the N810? |
| 04:46.47 | Macer | i just think it's odd that you have 2 ips |
| 04:46.58 | Macer | i would figure that the pc would be the real ip |
| 04:47.02 | Macer | and the n810 would act as a usb nci |
| 04:47.03 | Macer | nic |
| 04:47.12 | jaem_N810 | hmm |
| 04:47.23 | Macer | that's why it's kind of odd to me you have 2 ips :) |
| 04:47.37 | Macer | but then again i'm nto sure exactly how the usb networking on an n810 works because i've never used it |
| 04:48.05 | Macer | and like i said. easy alternative is $5 usb wifi |
| 04:48.06 | Macer | heh |
| 04:48.20 | jaem_N810 | it works just like slapping a patch cable in between two desktops, as far as I know |
| 04:48.25 | Macer | ah ok |
| 04:48.49 | jaem_N810 | well, I would, but they aren't quite that cheap around here |
| 04:48.49 | Macer | THEN... |
| 04:49.04 | Macer | give me a second.. i'm trying to picture it.. :) |
| 04:49.56 | Macer | i think |
| 04:50.00 | Macer | your problem is the usb0 on the n810 |
| 04:50.12 | Macer | isn't routed properly to get out |
| 04:50.24 | jaem_N810 | yes |
| 04:50.36 | Luke-Jr | nyaa nyaa |
| 04:50.50 | Macer | you won't be able to ping the 2nd subnet without setting up rules to do so |
| 04:50.56 | jaem_N810 | right |
| 04:51.05 | Macer | google "sending pkts between subnets with iptables" |
| 04:51.08 | Macer | it's like 2 lines :) |
| 04:51.28 | Luke-Jr | uh |
| 04:51.31 | Luke-Jr | iptables doesn't do that |
| 04:51.44 | Luke-Jr | that's some /proc entry to enable forwarding/routing |
| 04:51.45 | Macer | Luke-Jr: i vaguely remember having to do that |
| 04:52.02 | Luke-Jr | I just use a bridge |
| 04:52.07 | Macer | that's what i said! :) |
| 04:52.08 | Macer | haha |
| 04:52.11 | Luke-Jr | make a bridge called lan0, and add eth0 and usb0 to it |
| 04:52.12 | Luke-Jr | ⺠|
| 04:52.22 | Macer | Luke-Jr: then tell him how to bridge it |
| 04:52.24 | Macer | :) |
| 04:52.28 | jaem_N810 | on my N810 |
| 04:52.31 | jaem_N810 | that is |
| 04:52.35 | Macer | he is using usb networking |
| 04:52.42 | Macer | and wants to use his n810 as a router |
| 04:52.43 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 04:52.45 | Macer | for 1 pc |
| 04:52.48 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 04:52.54 | Macer | lol |
| 04:53.01 | Macer | i guess a cheap alternative to a usb wifi |
| 04:53.08 | Macer | well.. not really cheap |
| 04:53.10 | jaem_N810 | InterTubes->N810->USBnet->desktop |
| 04:53.11 | Macer | but no need for more hardare? |
| 04:53.18 | jaem_N810 | yep ;) |
| 04:53.31 | jaem_N810 | and this problem won't exist in a month when I move, so... |
| 04:53.44 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: yeah, you need a bridge for that.. not sure if diablo kernel has bridge support |
| 04:53.55 | jaem_N810 | I doubt it |
| 04:54.11 | Luke-Jr | if your second IP is static, you might get by with ARP proxy |
| 04:54.57 | Macer | why is it i remember using route or iptables to get 2 different subnets to talk to one another |
| 04:55.00 | Macer | ? |
| 04:55.04 | Luke-Jr | Macer: route, yes |
| 04:55.07 | Macer | ah |
| 04:55.11 | Macer | ok... :) |
| 04:55.28 | jaem_N810 | Luke-Jr: how? |
| 04:55.32 | Macer | so can't he jus tuse route to get x.x.1.x to talk to x.x.2.x ? |
| 04:55.35 | Luke-Jr | Macer: if each subnet has a different primary-router, they need to be configured to route to each other |
| 04:55.43 | *** join/#maemo macmaN6789 (n=lkraav@84-50-206-151-dsl.est.estpak.ee) |
| 04:55.53 | Luke-Jr | Macer: I doubt he has two subnets liek that anyway |
| 04:56.01 | Macer | he does |
| 04:56.06 | Macer | his wifi is on another local subnet |
| 04:56.11 | Luke-Jr | oh, local |
| 04:56.14 | Macer | yeah |
| 04:56.14 | Luke-Jr | he said internet :þ |
| 04:56.16 | jaem_N810 | Luke-Jr: USBnet is 192.168.2.x |
| 04:56.17 | Macer | haha |
| 04:56.24 | jaem_N810 | wireless is 1.x |
| 04:56.27 | Macer | his wifi is connected to a wifi router with a local subnet |
| 04:56.35 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: you'd need 192.168.1.x's router to be aware of that |
| 04:56.55 | Macer | so he'd have to set up a routing table on the router |
| 04:57.02 | Macer | hope you're not using the stock stuff on the router :) |
| 04:57.09 | jaem_N810 | heh - not a chance |
| 04:57.10 | Macer | although stock stuff might be able to do it nowadays |
| 04:57.24 | Luke-Jr | ip route add 192.168.2.0/24 via 192.168.1.x (N810) |
| 04:57.40 | jaem_N810 | run that on the N810? |
| 04:57.45 | Luke-Jr | on the main router |
| 04:57.46 | *** join/#maemo benh (n=benh@nat/ibm/x-znixkbyzfcfrjslw) |
| 04:57.48 | Macer | the router |
| 04:57.52 | jaem_N810 | okay... |
| 04:58.03 | jaem_N810 | hopes he forgot to turn on ssh management |
| 04:58.14 | Macer | i'd hope you didn't |
| 04:58.17 | Macer | haha |
| 04:58.25 | Macer | anyways. i need to find out why this bootmenu isn't working |
| 04:58.41 | jaem_N810 | didn't forget* |
| 04:58.56 | jaem_N810 | thanks, Macer |
| 04:59.13 | Luke-Jr | Macer: because 1+3 != 3 |
| 04:59.33 | jaem_N810 | oh great... >_< |
| 05:00.00 | jaem_N810 | I didn't |
| 05:00.22 | Macer | :-P |
| 05:00.35 | Macer | Luke-Jr: you know why initfs is showing the wrong device on boot |
| 05:00.39 | Macer | in the ()'s |
| 05:00.56 | Macer | like Booting "Maemo Internal SDP2" (mmcblk1p2) |
| 05:00.56 | Luke-Jr | Macer: cuz 4-23 < 0 |
| 05:01.00 | Macer | :-P |
| 05:01.09 | jaem_N810 | Luke-Jr: why does my router need to know/care about the subnet that's behind my N810? |
| 05:01.18 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: so it can route to it, of course |
| 05:01.31 | Macer | is that your way of saying no? |
| 05:01.33 | Macer | :-P |
| 05:01.41 | Macer | fine then.. i'll try something else |
| 05:01.52 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: personally I'd just use ARP proxy |
| 05:02.16 | jaem_N810 | does that not involve messing with my router? |
| 05:02.24 | Macer | Luke-Jr: sound doesn't work in embedded gentoo right? |
| 05:02.37 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: in theory |
| 05:02.40 | Macer | (yet?) |
| 05:02.45 | jaem_N810 | Macer: should I even ask? XD |
| 05:02.47 | Luke-Jr | Macer: it does on N810 with a modern kernel |
| 05:03.06 | Macer | oh wow |
| 05:03.14 | Macer | ok so then.. what doesn't work? |
| 05:03.22 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: set a static 192.168.1.x IP on the machine behind your N810 and, on your N810, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/proxy_arp |
| 05:03.50 | *** join/#maemo sarower (n=sarower@ns2.bjitgroup.com) |
| 05:03.53 | Luke-Jr | Macer: GPS mainly |
| 05:04.05 | sarower | hello all, Good morning!!! |
| 05:04.06 | Luke-Jr | Macer: oh, and wifi |
| 05:04.09 | jaem_N810 | Luke-Jr: what should the desktop's gw be set to? |
| 05:04.12 | Macer | wifi?! haha |
| 05:04.14 | Luke-Jr | wifi might work in 2.6.31 tho |
| 05:04.23 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: 192.168.1.1? |
| 05:04.32 | jaem_N810 | >_< |
| 05:04.34 | jaem_N810 | haha |
| 05:04.51 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: proxy ARP is like a bridge, but only works for IP |
| 05:04.51 | sarower | I want to listen the applet on D-bus. How i can do that...? Any body? |
| 05:04.54 | jaem_N810 | it's stupid-O-clock for me right now |
| 05:06.18 | Macer | ok. if this thing shows me mmcblk1p2 |
| 05:06.21 | Macer | i'm going to throw it |
| 05:06.42 | Macer | this is like the 10th time i've had to reboot it to try to fix this crap and i have no idea where it is getting this device name from |
| 05:06.50 | Luke-Jr | makes it show Macer mmcblk783p384 |
| 05:06.56 | Macer | :-P |
| 05:07.21 | jaem_N810 | Luke-Jr: is that all it needs? |
| 05:07.37 | Macer | GRRR |
| 05:07.40 | Macer | WHAT.. THE..FUCK |
| 05:07.51 | Macer | where the hell is it getting this wrong dev name from?!Q231 |
| 05:10.39 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: DNS too |
| 05:10.41 | *** join/#maemo thekondor (n=kondor@wall.syntext.com) |
| 05:12.10 | jaem_N810 | okay, so... desktop's usb0 iface is 192.168.1.2, gw 192.168.1.1... |
| 05:12.24 | jaem_N810 | N810's usb0 iface is? |
| 05:13.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 |
| 05:13.43 | Luke-Jr | jaem_N810: proxy ARP requires desktop to be on the same subnet |
| 05:13.51 | jaem_N810 | yes |
| 05:13.59 | Luke-Jr | oh, misread |
| 05:14.05 | Luke-Jr | N810's usb0 is the same as N810's wlan0 |
| 05:14.28 | jaem_N810 | ohh |
| 05:14.30 | jaem_N810 | okay |
| 05:16.35 | jaem_N810 | and the desktop's usb0 iface can be anything on that subnet? |
| 05:17.19 | Luke-Jr | anything available on that subnet |
| 05:17.19 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: i have to install a new kernel to fix it? :) |
| 05:17.20 | Macer | haha |
| 05:18.48 | qwerty12_N810 | In this case, just check you're using '${INT_CARD}p2' |
| 05:19.19 | qwerty12_N810 | (in your bootmenu.conf instead of directly pointing at the partition) |
| 05:20.25 | Macer | i am |
| 05:20.38 | jaem_N810 | WOOT! |
| 05:20.43 | Macer | but still |
| 05:20.48 | Macer | the boot menu says it wrong |
| 05:20.52 | Macer | and it's erking the hell out of me heh |
| 05:20.56 | jaem_N810 | *sigh*... thank you very much |
| 05:20.58 | jaem_N810 | it works |
| 05:21.02 | Macer | it will boot |
| 05:21.14 | Macer | but the (mmcblk1p2) part is driving me nuts a |
| 05:21.23 | Macer | and it just started doing it for some reason. i didn't remove the sd or anything |
| 05:21.25 | Macer | i just don't get it |
| 05:21.25 | jaem_N810 | my laptop's in the shop, and I really needed my desktop on the net |
| 05:21.38 | jaem_N810 | thanks to both of you, and goodnight! |
| 05:21.40 | *** part/#maemo jaem_N810 (n=jaem@S0106001ee54415ec.vf.shawcable.net) |
| 05:22.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: Flash a kernel with the fix then if you want it gone for cosmetic reasons |
| 05:23.46 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: i do ;) |
| 05:23.57 | Macer | i've just never flashed a kernel to this thing before |
| 05:24.27 | Macer | you have an instruction site that explains how to do that? |
| 05:25.11 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, flashing is easy (on the device): fiasco-flasher -f -k <path to zImage> |
| 05:26.25 | qwerty12_N810 | But you'll have to find a kernel with that fix applied. Look through fanoush's posts at talk.maemo.org; he has a kernel with the fix applied and the resultant zImage attached |
| 05:26.33 | Macer | they have one on there |
| 05:26.51 | qwerty12_N810 | That's a patch which applies to the kernel sources |
| 05:26.56 | Macer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747#c8 |
| 05:27.00 | Macer | oh .. is it |
| 05:27.02 | Macer | damn |
| 05:27.26 | qwerty12_N810 | No, you're right, sorry, that is a zImage |
| 05:27.39 | qwerty12_N810 | I thought you meant the attachment :) |
| 05:27.53 | Macer | heh.. well.. hopefully this does the trick because this is driving me nuts |
| 05:28.19 | Stskeeps | so far i'm winning the bet? ;) |
| 05:28.27 | Macer | lol |
| 05:28.35 | Macer | no.. but that wasn't really a maemo problem |
| 05:28.38 | Macer | ;) |
| 05:28.42 | Macer | wow.. that's it? |
| 05:29.48 | *** join/#maemo Tomaterr (n=user@adsl-99-146-96-40.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:29.51 | Macer | wow .. that's it? |
| 05:29.53 | Macer | it can't be that easy |
| 05:30.02 | Macer | wow |
| 05:30.06 | Macer | that is not cool on so many levels |
| 05:30.20 | Macer | should my n810 be flashing over and over like this? |
| 05:30.50 | Macer | wow |
| 05:30.53 | Macer | is this thing bricked? |
| 05:31.27 | Macer | oh that's just great |
| 05:31.35 | Macer | that kernel flashing just did something to my n810 |
| 05:31.43 | Macer | and i don't even know what :) |
| 05:31.51 | Macer | it is just sitting there flashing over and over when i turn it on |
| 05:31.56 | Macer | Stskeeps: ok. i think that just did it |
| 05:32.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Flash the original one then from the desktop. http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/ |
| 05:32.31 | Stskeeps | flashing over and over? booting you mean |
| 05:32.46 | Macer | Stskeeps: it looks like it is trying to when it boots |
| 05:32.49 | Macer | right when i turn it on |
| 05:32.53 | Macer | it flashes over and over :) |
| 05:33.08 | Macer | wtf? |
| 05:33.12 | Macer | i sure hope this thing isn't bricked |
| 05:33.17 | Macer | let me find my usb cable |
| 05:33.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Unpack the bin using flasher-3.0 (flasher-3.0 -F -u <bin file>) and flash the kernel from it (flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage) |
| 05:33.27 | Stskeeps | does it show nokia logo? |
| 05:33.41 | *** join/#maemo zakkm (n=zak@CPE0013f7b6e1a2-CM0013f7b6e19e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:33.45 | *** join/#maemo simon_ (n=simon@90.146.58.212) |
| 05:34.05 | Macer | yes |
| 05:34.09 | Macer | that is what is flashing over and over ;) |
| 05:34.23 | Stskeeps | not bricked then |
| 05:34.44 | Macer | how do i get into recovery mode? |
| 05:34.50 | Macer | i know i added ssh support for it :) |
| 05:35.03 | zakkm | n8x0 / |
| 05:35.04 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:35.27 | zakkm | hey you know theres a flasher-3.5 out? |
| 05:35.29 | Macer | omg |
| 05:35.29 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: You don't need it. Just connect it to USB, like you would when flashing |
| 05:35.31 | zakkm | for mac, linux and windows? |
| 05:35.34 | Macer | i am! |
| 05:35.40 | Macer | it's doing it with the usb symbol popping up! |
| 05:35.52 | Macer | oh what the fuck?@!# |
| 05:36.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Hold home? |
| 05:36.21 | Macer | menu? |
| 05:36.31 | Macer | on the n810 isn't it menu? :) |
| 05:36.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Nah, the button above the back key |
| 05:36.57 | Macer | i ok |
| 05:36.58 | *** join/#maemo jpereira (n=jpereira@unaffiliated/jpereira) |
| 05:37.02 | Macer | damn that was kind of scary |
| 05:37.03 | Macer | haha |
| 05:37.28 | Macer | someone should seriously get that damn zImage file off that bug report |
| 05:37.29 | Macer | :) |
| 05:38.28 | zakkm | Macer: what were you doing to do |
| 05:38.33 | zakkm | i missed beginning |
| 05:38.53 | Macer | i was trying to fix the bug where initfs_flash shows the wrong device when booting |
| 05:39.10 | Macer | they have a link to a kernel there that says "the bug is fixed in this kernel" |
| 05:39.17 | Macer | after flashing it.. my device just kept rebooting |
| 05:39.20 | zakkm | mmcblk0 vs mmcblk1 ? |
| 05:39.22 | Macer | over and over really fast |
| 05:39.25 | Macer | zakkm: yes |
| 05:39.37 | Macer | my internal was showing as mmcblk1 |
| 05:39.48 | Macer | it would still boot the proper partition but that is silly looking :) |
| 05:39.53 | Stskeeps | normal bug |
| 05:40.00 | Macer | but now i'm probably going to have to start over since i flashed the kernel on the bug page |
| 05:40.01 | zakkm | its alwys been like that |
| 05:40.13 | Stskeeps | that's why you use INT_CARD |
| 05:40.18 | zakkm | Macer: can use --flash-only=kernel ? |
| 05:40.23 | Macer | Stskeeps: lol. well.. now i'm kind of screwed |
| 05:40.30 | Macer | zakkm: i can't get anywhere with it |
| 05:40.44 | zakkm | initfs too? |
| 05:40.46 | Macer | initfs doesn't even start anymore |
| 05:40.57 | Macer | once i turn the device on the nokia screen flashes over and over |
| 05:40.58 | zakkm | --flash-only=initfs. . and then reinstall bootloader |
| 05:41.00 | Stskeeps | reflash initfs too then |
| 05:41.23 | Macer | how? |
| 05:41.31 | zakkm | normal flasher command |
| 05:41.36 | Macer | i'm hooked up with teh usb cable at the nokia/usb symbol screen |
| 05:41.37 | zakkm | but add --flash-only=initfs |
| 05:41.39 | zakkm | before -R |
| 05:41.41 | zakkm | waitt |
| 05:41.56 | Macer | i can't get into the recovery for initfs |
| 05:41.59 | *** join/#maemo melmoth (n=melmoth@lec67-1-81-56-33-6.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 05:42.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: did you even follow: "Unpack the bin using flasher-3.0 (flasher-3.0 -F -u <bin file>) and flash the kernel from it (flasher-3.0 -f -k zImage)" |
| 05:42.09 | zakkm | ./flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f --flash-only=initfs -R |
| 05:43.01 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: you know flasher 3.5 is out? for all OS's ? |
| 05:43.06 | zakkm | came in dmg form for mac |
| 05:43.11 | zakkm | worked fine for flashing |
| 05:43.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I'm using it in Windows :) |
| 05:43.23 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: huh? |
| 05:44.08 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.10 | Macer | that is what i did |
| 05:44.11 | Macer | :) |
| 05:44.24 | Macer | was there more to it or something? |
| 05:44.28 | Macer | evidently so haha |
| 05:44.38 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, and now, I'm talking of flashing the original kernel from the desktop |
| 05:44.48 | zakkm | wooh |
| 05:44.53 | zakkm | device memory - 2.79 GB avaliable |
| 05:45.32 | Stskeeps | passes qwerty12_N810 some breakfast for giving advice so early in the morning |
| 05:45.56 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: well.. i'm on my xp netbook.. do they even have flasher for it? |
| 05:45.57 | zakkm | what time is it for you guys? |
| 05:46.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks Stskeeps |
| 05:46.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: yes, like zakkm says, flasher-3.5 |
| 05:46.31 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: 06:46 here |
| 05:46.37 | zakkm | wow |
| 05:46.46 | zakkm | its 1;46 here ( Toronto ,Canada ) and i still didnt sleep yet ;p |
| 05:47.10 | qwerty12_N810 | I went to sleep about that time :P |
| 05:47.13 | zakkm | is there a list of safe to remove maemo services? |
| 05:47.26 | zakkm | i just reflashed OS2008 |
| 05:47.39 | zakkm | and so its distracting me from sleeping :p |
| 05:48.05 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: ok i'm downloading it |
| 05:48.16 | Macer | ironically enough. i called the kernel.... "Fixed Kernel" |
| 05:48.17 | Macer | haha |
| 05:49.47 | sarower | I want to listen the applet on D-bus. How i can do that...? Any body? |
| 05:51.23 | *** join/#maemo herzi (n=herzi@port-4224.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 05:53.36 | Macer | suitable usb device not found waiting... |
| 05:55.19 | Macer | well |
| 05:55.21 | Macer | that worked heh |
| 05:55.28 | zakkm | plug it in? |
| 05:55.33 | zakkm | turn on tablet and hold home key |
| 05:55.38 | Macer | had to unplug it |
| 05:55.43 | Macer | and plug it back in while holding the home key |
| 05:55.56 | Macer | same kernel |
| 05:55.57 | Macer | it boots now |
| 05:55.58 | Macer | odd |
| 05:56.22 | Macer | flashing it from the pc worked.. but flashing it from the tablet didn't? :) |
| 05:56.22 | zakkm | heyyy is 48mhz kernel still used for os2008? |
| 05:57.29 | Macer | awesome |
| 05:57.31 | Macer | that fixed it :) |
| 05:57.32 | Macer | haha |
| 05:57.48 | Macer | SDs are reading the right way now |
| 05:58.34 | Macer | but i wonder why flashing the kernel from th device caused that |
| 05:58.47 | zakkm | probably cause it was running from kernel |
| 05:58.49 | *** join/#maemo stemosco (n=stemosco@esprx01x.nokia.com) |
| 05:58.52 | zakkm | replacing itself |
| 05:58.55 | zakkm | guess :P |
| 05:59.05 | Macer | isn't it always ? ;) |
| 05:59.08 | zakkm | no? |
| 05:59.12 | zakkm | you dont do that on the PC |
| 05:59.18 | zakkm | do you? |
| 05:59.26 | zakkm | i come from gentoo and it goes by kernel version |
| 05:59.33 | zakkm | and adds kernel version to grub.. then you delete older one |
| 05:59.36 | zakkm | you dont replace. |
| 05:59.43 | Macer | ah |
| 05:59.53 | Macer | but the kernel you're runnin gshould be loaded into mem shouldn't it? |
| 06:00.00 | zakkm | true |
| 06:00.04 | zakkm | it was just a crazy guess lol |
| 06:00.08 | Macer | :) |
| 06:00.13 | Macer | ah well. flashin git from the pc worked |
| 06:00.21 | Macer | it boots again and the cards are reading right when initfs starts |
| 06:00.30 | zakkm | what tablet do you have? |
| 06:00.35 | Macer | i know it was cosmetic but it was driving me nuts haha |
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| 06:00.43 | Macer | i'd have wiped everything on it to fix it anyways :) |
| 06:00.45 | Macer | n810 |
| 06:01.01 | Macer | i gave Stskeeps my n800 :-P |
| 06:01.03 | zakkm | wanna trade it for my n800 + cash? :P |
| 06:01.07 | Macer | so mer better get better! |
| 06:01.09 | Macer | lol |
| 06:01.09 | Macer | no |
| 06:01.13 | Macer | i gave my n800 away |
| 06:01.16 | zakkm | :( |
| 06:01.16 | Macer | why would i want another one? :) |
| 06:01.19 | zakkm | i want n810 :) |
| 06:01.20 | Macer | i just got the n810 |
| 06:01.26 | Macer | i got it for my car actually |
| 06:01.26 | zakkm | or smartq acutally |
| 06:01.29 | zakkm | smartq5 are sick |
| 06:01.31 | Macer | my older car |
| 06:01.40 | zakkm | heh doesnt the map app suck? |
| 06:01.49 | Macer | before i realized the obd port was obd1 |
| 06:01.53 | Macer | and tehre aren't any bt obd1 scanners |
| 06:01.55 | Macer | :) |
| 06:02.01 | Macer | but i love the tablet anyways |
| 06:02.04 | Macer | so i'm not too pissed |
| 06:02.10 | Macer | but i am about that obd2 bt scanner i bought for carman |
| 06:02.17 | zakkm | heh |
| 06:02.22 | Macer | i guess if my 2009 tahoe has a check engine light |
| 06:02.31 | Macer | i can at least know what it is before i take it in for warranty repair? :) |
| 06:02.52 | fureddo | Hi again, anyone can try to install my application: http://www.fbergeron.com/tmp/tomotko-0.11.2-1maemo1_armel.deb |
| 06:02.52 | zakkm | it works in carmen? |
| 06:02.54 | Macer | i have a 94 caprice classic |
| 06:03.03 | zakkm | does carmen require just bluetooth |
| 06:03.05 | Macer | that i do most of my day to day driving and rush hour stuff in |
| 06:03.12 | Macer | afaik yes |
| 06:03.12 | zakkm | fureddo: if you give me like 5min i can test it |
| 06:03.22 | fureddo | zakkm, Cool |
| 06:03.23 | Macer | i don't think you can hook a usb2serial connector up to the tablet |
| 06:03.25 | Macer | but i'm not positive |
| 06:03.27 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.33 | zakkm | no i mean |
| 06:03.38 | zakkm | can i install carmen, go into a friends car |
| 06:03.41 | zakkm | and it connect to car ? |
| 06:03.46 | zakkm | just be like yo check this out? :D |
| 06:03.53 | zakkm | or is it more complex |
| 06:03.54 | Macer | if it has an obd2 port yes |
| 06:03.57 | Macer | no |
| 06:04.00 | Macer | it's not complicated at all |
| 06:04.09 | Macer | it gives check engine codes |
| 06:04.16 | Macer | not sure if it gives you what it actually means though |
| 06:04.20 | Macer | but you can probably google the code |
| 06:04.23 | Macer | or find it in a repair manual |
| 06:04.57 | Macer | so i got this bt scantool |
| 06:04.58 | zakkm | dont know cars, but if a car supports a GPS, does it support tablet + carmen? |
| 06:05.00 | zakkm | like real gps ? |
| 06:05.19 | Macer | it does gps + obd2 + driving sats + |
| 06:05.21 | Macer | uhm.... |
| 06:05.33 | Macer | trip stats? and buddy tracking |
| 06:05.38 | Macer | if your friend has an n810 too |
| 06:05.42 | Macer | or an n800 with bt gps? |
| 06:05.47 | zakkm | no he does |
| 06:05.54 | Macer | you can see where each other are on the road |
| 06:05.59 | Macer | if you both have it.. that doesn't require the obd2 port |
| 06:06.03 | Macer | it does a lot without the port |
| 06:06.04 | zakkm | i wsa just planning to go into his car, and be like yo check this out :P |
| 06:06.08 | Macer | but without it.. it's not nearly as cool :) |
| 06:06.13 | Macer | i was trying to tech up the caprice a bit |
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| 06:06.22 | Macer | but the damn thing has some proprietary shit port |
| 06:06.35 | Macer | they didn't start obd2 til 1996 and i have a 94 |
| 06:06.47 | Macer | it was mandated by 95 |
| 06:06.48 | Macer | damnit |
| 06:06.49 | Macer | heh |
| 06:07.08 | Macer | i take good care of that car though. it's the car if i totalled it i wouldn't care as much as my truck |
| 06:07.52 | Macer | plus.. the thing would require a bus smashing into it at full speed to do any real damage to it haha |
| 06:07.52 | zakkm | fureddo: would you like me to dpkg -i it, to give you a log? |
| 06:07.55 | Macer | ok. now that i solved teh case of the screwed up device name |
| 06:08.11 | Macer | i think i'll move on to finishing the last section of my attempt to be able to build and pkg on the tablet haha |
| 06:08.21 | zakkm | heh |
| 06:08.33 | Macer | in maemo |
| 06:08.36 | Macer | without chrooting |
| 06:08.37 | Macer | :) |
| 06:09.30 | Macer | my son is leaving to go with his mother in a month.. and i broke up with my gf like a month ago.. so this will give me something to do between masturbations i guess |
| 06:09.38 | zakkm | fureddo: you require qt4 repository for it you know? |
| 06:09.57 | zakkm | omgg |
| 06:10.01 | zakkm | everyone here is old :D |
| 06:10.04 | zakkm | mostly |
| 06:10.10 | Macer | :-P i just turned 30 |
| 06:10.16 | Macer | 30 is the new ....er... 30 |
| 06:10.16 | qwerty12_N810 | OLD |
| 06:10.19 | qwerty12_N810 | :p |
| 06:10.25 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: how old are you |
| 06:10.26 | fureddo | fureddo, Yes it requires qt4. |
| 06:10.30 | Macer | i don't care.. my first born was a son.. so i've succeeded |
| 06:10.32 | Macer | lol |
| 06:10.33 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: 16 |
| 06:10.53 | zakkm | fureddo: it intalled, icon shows up in extras, but i dont have qt4 repo at the moment to test it to run |
| 06:10.59 | zakkm | if you will wait some more ill add it |
| 06:11.09 | zakkm | ah man :( |
| 06:11.19 | fureddo | zakkm, *waiting* |
| 06:11.19 | zakkm | im 18. |
| 06:11.39 | zakkm | sorry fureddo :( i just reinstalled OS2008 |
| 06:12.29 | zakkm | ohh |
| 06:12.37 | zakkm | qt4 is in extras-devel |
| 06:12.46 | fureddo | zakkm, yes |
| 06:13.06 | zakkm | when you made deb, you didnt add dependencies? |
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| 06:13.34 | fureddo | zakkm, Well, it's my first deb on maemo. Maybe it's not perfect. |
| 06:13.45 | zakkm | really, wow |
| 06:13.49 | zakkm | i should learn myself lol |
| 06:13.52 | zakkm | was it hard? |
| 06:14.38 | zakkm | fureddo: congratss... 100% perfect |
| 06:14.44 | fureddo | zakkm, Really? |
| 06:14.49 | zakkm | adds to extras ( i chose it ) , icon shows in menu |
| 06:14.52 | zakkm | i opened it.. it opens |
| 06:14.55 | zakkm | hildonization and all |
| 06:15.09 | zakkm | nicely fit on screen |
| 06:15.14 | zakkm | fullscreen works |
| 06:15.19 | fureddo | zakkm, Wow, thanks. Is it the armel deb or the i386 deb you used? |
| 06:15.27 | zakkm | its on my n800 |
| 06:15.32 | zakkm | so armel .. i386 is for PC? |
| 06:15.41 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok. |
| 06:15.48 | fureddo | zakkm, Yes, I think so. |
| 06:16.03 | fureddo | zakkm, I have no phone so I could not test it myself. |
| 06:16.11 | zakkm | i386 = x86 architecture.. its not for tablet. |
| 06:16.19 | zakkm | phone? |
| 06:16.22 | fureddo | zakkm, I'm glad to know that it works. Does it look good? |
| 06:16.28 | zakkm | nokia tablets arent phones? |
| 06:16.31 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:16.45 | zakkm | well it follows nokia skin mostly, so the one i have installed looks nice |
| 06:16.49 | zakkm | but yeah fits on screen well, and all |
| 06:16.57 | fureddo | zakkm, Anyway, I have no maemo devices. I developed the application originally for a Zaurus SL-C1000. |
| 06:17.00 | zakkm | i couldnt see a ebtter port |
| 06:17.09 | zakkm | yeah i saw the forum post earlier |
| 06:17.26 | zakkm | the only thing your missing is adding dependency to deb file |
| 06:17.35 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok, I will do that. |
| 06:17.37 | zakkm | cause ppl without qt4 will get the incompatible w.e |
| 06:17.39 | zakkm | do you know how? |
| 06:17.43 | zakkm | i can help with that? |
| 06:18.23 | fureddo | zakkm, Yeah, I think I know how, somehow. I have another application that have similar dependencies, I will take a look to its control file and compare. |
| 06:18.37 | zakkm | instead the deb file is a text file |
| 06:18.47 | zakkm | with name of package version number and such |
| 06:18.49 | zakkm | and list of depedencies |
| 06:19.09 | zakkm | add "libaudio2 libqt4-xml libqtcore4 libqtgui4" to that list.. all of those |
| 06:19.32 | fureddo | I don't think I need audio though. |
| 06:19.40 | zakkm | but it requires it |
| 06:19.43 | fureddo | Ok |
| 06:19.49 | fureddo | I will add it then. |
| 06:19.55 | zakkm | even if you dont want sound |
| 06:20.00 | zakkm | its still a dependency |
| 06:20.04 | fureddo | Actually, in my control file, i have the following line: |
| 06:20.14 | fureddo | Depends: libqtcore4, libqtgui4, libqt4-xml, libc6 (>= 2.4) |
| 06:20.29 | fureddo | So I will add other stuff. |
| 06:20.32 | zakkm | then add libaudio2 |
| 06:20.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Leaving ${shlibs:Depends} there is usually quicker :P |
| 06:21.33 | fureddo | Well, as you seem to know a lot about that. Maybe you could tell me what I should write in the Depends line :-) |
| 06:21.36 | zakkm | idunno i installed in application manager it installed wouldnt open i did dpkg way it said it was missing those |
| 06:21.39 | zakkm | i installed them |
| 06:21.43 | zakkm | then tried again, it opened perfect |
| 06:21.54 | fureddo | ok |
| 06:22.26 | zakkm | how hard is it btw? to "port" ? |
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| 06:22.49 | fureddo | zakkm, I didn't modify the code at all really. |
| 06:23.02 | zakkm | i know but also package to deb ? |
| 06:23.29 | zakkm | i always either use binary, or use gentoo as my OS, which compiles for me pretty much , it doesnt package it |
| 06:23.33 | fureddo | zakkm, I already had a script to make a deb file for Debian. So I modified it a bit to adapt it for maemo. |
| 06:23.42 | zakkm | oh really |
| 06:23.50 | zakkm | and it worked? |
| 06:23.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, you're doing this using dpkg-deb? |
| 06:23.55 | zakkm | whered you run this script? |
| 06:24.05 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: it succeded perfectly. |
| 06:24.27 | fureddo | You can see the script here: |
| 06:24.28 | qwerty12_N810 | ${shlibs:Depends} wouldn't make sense then, ignore me... |
| 06:25.34 | fureddo | http://tomotko.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tomotko/qt4/trunk/bin/makeMaemoDebFile.rb?revision=861&view=markup |
| 06:26.09 | zakkm | then what do i do with that? |
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| 06:26.24 | zakkm | ohhhhh |
| 06:26.38 | zakkm | thats tomotko itself |
| 06:26.44 | fureddo | It's just to show you that yes, it uses dpkg-deb. |
| 06:26.53 | fureddo | On line 75 |
| 06:26.57 | zakkm | dpkg-deb = compiles and creates deb? |
| 06:27.06 | fureddo | Yeah. |
| 06:27.08 | zakkm | not much a debian user |
| 06:27.16 | Macer | hm |
| 06:27.24 | Macer | how do i install these modules that are with this kernel? |
| 06:27.24 | zakkm | oh doesnt look that bad then |
| 06:27.30 | Macer | just stick them in the modules dir? |
| 06:27.34 | zakkm | Macer: just use modprobe? :P |
| 06:27.37 | zakkm | add to startup :P |
| 06:27.49 | zakkm | would that work? |
| 06:27.51 | Macer | zakkm: i mean the ones that come with the new kernel i flashed? |
| 06:28.49 | zakkm | fureddo: should see about adding to extras repository |
| 06:28.58 | zakkm | ppl will use |
| 06:29.27 | Macer | this kernel seems to be acting odd |
| 06:29.37 | zakkm | so dont use it :P |
| 06:29.42 | Macer | i have to |
| 06:29.43 | Macer | :) |
| 06:29.46 | zakkm | why? |
| 06:29.46 | Macer | to fix the names of the SDs |
| 06:29.57 | zakkm | do what Stskeeps said and use INT_CARD AND EXT_CARD |
| 06:30.01 | Macer | i am |
| 06:30.01 | zakkm | as opposed to mmcblk |
| 06:30.03 | fureddo | zakkm, Yes, I know. That's the next step. I already have the privileges to upload there. Before doing so though, I wanted to test at least with someone else. |
| 06:30.07 | Macer | heh |
| 06:30.11 | zakkm | oh |
| 06:30.18 | Macer | but that's not really a fix |
| 06:30.24 | Macer | i "fixed" it |
| 06:30.25 | Macer | heh |
| 06:30.29 | zakkm | fureddo: you dont have a tablet, howd you find maemo forum ? |
| 06:30.58 | zakkm | Macer: variable vs string .. is always a fix :D |
| 06:31.18 | zakkm | you did a workaround, not a fix ;p |
| 06:31.34 | zakkm | ahh i wnat fremantle :) |
| 06:31.54 | arquebus | does maemo have its own repos? |
| 06:32.05 | zakkm | of course? |
| 06:32.38 | Macer | oh ok.. nm |
| 06:32.46 | Macer | i just didn't have some of the older modules loaded |
| 06:32.54 | Macer | they work anywyas. i don't see why they wouldn't since it is the same kernel |
| 06:33.01 | Macer | awesome |
| 06:33.02 | Macer | heh |
| 06:33.14 | zakkm | Macer: is that a 48mhz kernel? |
| 06:33.23 | Macer | wtf is a 48mhz kernel? |
| 06:33.26 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: you know if 48mhz kernel exist for OS2008, is it still useful? |
| 06:33.40 | zakkm | maemo used to underclock sd card speeds |
| 06:33.55 | zakkm | 48mhz kernel = "stops the underclock" |
| 06:33.57 | qwerty12_N810 | It still exists (fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/) should have one IIRC |
| 06:34.08 | zakkm | still useful? |
| 06:34.12 | Macer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 |
| 06:34.15 | Macer | that is the kernel i am using |
| 06:34.18 | Macer | so who knows :) |
| 06:34.23 | Macer | is there a way to check? |
| 06:34.39 | Macer | why do they underclock the sd? |
| 06:34.43 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: dunno... I ran into problems with some older cards and it is an unsupported mode after all |
| 06:34.57 | zakkm | i got some sickass fast sd cards |
| 06:34.59 | zakkm | and booting off sd |
| 06:35.15 | zakkm | seems like it will give a nice boost in "harddrive" speed |
| 06:35.17 | Macer | a class 10 or something? |
| 06:35.18 | Macer | haha |
| 06:35.25 | zakkm | no |
| 06:35.28 | Macer | i just got a class 6 and a mini adapter |
| 06:35.28 | zakkm | a nice class 6 |
| 06:35.40 | Macer | i think sandisk came out with a 32G c10 |
| 06:36.03 | Macer | normal sd tho.. wtf is up with the n810 and the mini stuff? like the only device on the planet that uses it |
| 06:36.12 | zakkm | :D |
| 06:36.17 | zakkm | what you on about |
| 06:36.20 | zakkm | R4's for DS's? :P |
| 06:36.22 | zakkm | i think |
| 06:36.28 | Macer | oh yeah |
| 06:36.34 | Macer | one of the only 2 devices that uses it |
| 06:36.35 | Macer | haha |
| 06:36.43 | zakkm | they arent that much expensive |
| 06:36.49 | zakkm | and theres minisd to sd adapters |
| 06:36.51 | zakkm | where you just put it in |
| 06:36.54 | zakkm | and its SD? |
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| 06:36.55 | Macer | yeah. that's what i'm using now |
| 06:37.04 | Macer | a microsd with a mini adapter |
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| 06:37.30 | Macer | is 4GB good enough for Mer? |
| 06:37.42 | Macer | i guess i can keep it on there even though i can't really use it as a mobile OS yet |
| 06:38.10 | Macer | oh wait.. Stskeeps said it was a problem with the network manager they were using .. whcih is why the adhoc wouldn't work |
| 06:38.12 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:38.23 | zakkm | they're switching i think |
| 06:38.30 | zakkm | i was going to test it but i didnt have mer installed |
| 06:38.31 | Macer | that would be awesome |
| 06:38.34 | zakkm | only easy-mer |
| 06:39.03 | zakkm | http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=023713&cid=MTR.863 honest opinion guys, should i buy it? |
| 06:39.19 | Macer | oh yeah |
| 06:39.22 | Macer | booting from the sd now :) |
| 06:39.28 | zakkm | 2048x1152 :P |
| 06:39.39 | Macer | well. the internal sd i guess |
| 06:39.45 | zakkm | XD |
| 06:39.47 | Macer | and it actually calls it by its actual name in initfs |
| 06:39.48 | Macer | :) |
| 06:39.49 | zakkm | what theme you use? |
| 06:39.53 | Macer | that was driving me crazy |
| 06:39.58 | zakkm | mine does too? |
| 06:40.03 | Macer | lol |
| 06:40.06 | zakkm | it says Internal card on p3 |
| 06:40.13 | Macer | hehe |
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| 06:40.25 | Macer | well.. mine was calling the internal mmcblk1p2 |
| 06:40.31 | Macer | instead of blk0 |
| 06:40.38 | Macer | now it doesn't do that anymore |
| 06:40.39 | Macer | :) |
| 06:40.43 | Macer | i use felicia |
| 06:40.54 | zakkm | penguinbaits console-tools clone to sd... it adds INT_CARD/ EXT_CARD to bootmenu.conf |
| 06:41.00 | zakkm | so it says internal card on p3 :P |
| 06:41.05 | zakkm | felicia ahh |
| 06:41.16 | zakkm | i love the thumb keyboard look all black and such |
| 06:41.19 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-2-the-control-flash/ |
| 06:41.21 | zakkm | but when you click and its this ugly blue |
| 06:41.42 | Macer | zakkm: i only used the console tools to clone |
| 06:41.48 | Macer | there was a page that showed you how to do it manually |
| 06:41.52 | Macer | i sure wish i could find that page again :) |
| 06:41.53 | zakkm | yeah its like a ugly blue and grey |
| 06:42.16 | Macer | ugly blue and grey? :) |
| 06:42.22 | Macer | that link is my maemo setup now at the top |
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| 06:42.37 | zakkm | yeah ugly blue and grey |
| 06:42.39 | zakkm | isnt it? |
| 06:42.40 | Macer | :-P |
| 06:42.51 | zakkm | wooh i know your internal ip! :D |
| 06:42.53 | Macer | yeah i guess but... there aren't many themes out there to choose from |
| 06:42.56 | Macer | uh oh |
| 06:42.57 | zakkm | wtf |
| 06:42.58 | Macer | don't hax0r me |
| 06:42.59 | Macer | haha |
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| 06:43.05 | zakkm | External SD 15.1GB |
| 06:43.07 | zakkm | wooww |
| 06:43.10 | zakkm | i only got 2x4gb cards |
| 06:43.15 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:43.18 | Macer | that's the microsd i bought |
| 06:43.19 | Macer | for $50 |
| 06:43.24 | Macer | with the mini adapter |
| 06:43.27 | zakkm | i want a 8gb card, so i can put on wikipedia on it :D |
| 06:43.29 | fureddo | zakkm, About the maemo forum... Well, I think the forum is very good. |
| 06:43.31 | zakkm | cause its like 5-6 gb |
| 06:43.32 | Macer | i bought a 4G just because it had the mini adapter |
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| 06:43.42 | Macer | $11 |
| 06:43.47 | zakkm | fureddo: i mean without a tablet, howd you discover maemo? |
| 06:43.49 | Macer | for 4G c6 microsd |
| 06:44.12 | Macer | zakkm: he was looking for android advise :) |
| 06:44.13 | Macer | haha |
| 06:44.14 | fureddo | zakkm, Someone asked me to port the application for its N810. So I googled and found it. |
| 06:44.22 | zakkm | oh |
| 06:44.26 | zakkm | fureddo: you own the app? |
| 06:44.37 | fureddo | zakkm, Yes, I'm the main developer. |
| 06:44.44 | zakkm | ohhhhhh that makes way more sense |
| 06:44.47 | zakkm | nice app :) |
| 06:45.03 | zakkm | what does it do exactly? |
| 06:45.42 | fureddo | zakkm, Thanks. I find it very useful. I use it daily. It's a flashcard application to learn vocabulary for a foreign language. |
| 06:46.00 | zakkm | does it come with the flashcards? |
| 06:46.30 | zakkm | i always remember the kde language learning app or something or kde test? or something but never resources for it lol |
| 06:46.51 | fureddo | zakkm, There are some available here: http://tomotko.sourceforge.net/en/glossaries.shtml |
| 06:47.39 | zakkm | oh thats nice |
| 06:47.42 | fureddo | zakkm, I would appreciate it if you could try the import feature. |
| 06:48.00 | zakkm | kk gimme a sec |
| 06:48.14 | fureddo | zakkm, Like choose any glossary file and import it in tomotko. |
| 06:49.39 | fureddo | zakkm, I suspect that some problems will occur regarding fonts. For example, for Japanese or Thai glossaries... But for Spanish and German ones, it should be not too bad, I think. |
| 06:49.56 | zakkm | import zip file or the xml's? |
| 06:50.21 | Macer | i'm making a 12G maemo partition now haha |
| 06:50.23 | fureddo | zakkm, The zip file. |
| 06:50.24 | Macer | and a 4G mer one |
| 06:50.25 | Macer | :) |
| 06:50.41 | Macer | hopefully this class6 card is a little more zippy than the internal stuff |
| 06:50.45 | Macer | which i might wipe later anyways |
| 06:50.55 | Macer | actually. i think i will just put mer on the internal |
| 06:51.06 | zakkm | fureddo : import worked fine for JNL .. a second to import ? |
| 06:51.09 | Macer | 2G should be enough for mer |
| 06:51.12 | zakkm | how do i uhh start the learning though? |
| 06:51.52 | zakkm | Macer: hah, dont forget a swap partition |
| 06:51.52 | fureddo | zakkm, Before starting a test, you must check the glossaries (red book on the left) that you want to learn (just pick 1). |
| 06:52.05 | Macer | zakkm: oh goddamnit |
| 06:52.07 | Macer | that's right :) |
| 06:52.10 | Macer | shit |
| 06:52.10 | fureddo | zakkm, Then. you must also check a few words in the right tab. |
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| 06:52.19 | Macer | how big of one do i need? |
| 06:52.28 | Macer | like will 256MB do? |
| 06:52.30 | fureddo | zakkm, Then, in the menu, you select Start Quiz. |
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| 06:52.43 | Macer | maemo uses a swap file |
| 06:52.44 | Macer | blah |
| 06:52.48 | Macer | how windowslike |
| 06:52.49 | Macer | :) |
| 06:53.08 | zakkm | fureddo: for "Word/exp" it shows japanese perfectly |
| 06:53.13 | zakkm | but for buttons, it shows ??? |
| 06:53.21 | fureddo | zakkm, That's normal |
| 06:53.47 | zakkm | k then it worked perfectly |
| 06:53.49 | fureddo | zakkm, It's hidden so it's still a mystery ??? But if you click on the buttons or the Eye button, it should reveal the info. |
| 06:53.56 | zakkm | Macer: you can make maemo use swap partition. |
| 06:54.13 | zakkm | it would detect on its own, if not do swapon /dev/mmc____ ... and then add to fstab for maemo |
| 06:54.21 | fureddo | zakkm, To signify to tomotko that you know a word, you click the green circle. The red cross otherwise. |
| 06:54.49 | Macer | zakkm: is spreading over the sd controlled by the sd controller? |
| 06:54.54 | fureddo | zakkm, This way, tomotko will ask you the words that you had not right. |
| 06:54.54 | Macer | or the OS? |
| 06:55.10 | zakkm | spreading? |
| 06:55.16 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:55.19 | Macer | so the sd doesn't burn out |
| 06:55.26 | zakkm | sds can burn? |
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| 06:55.33 | Macer | lol |
| 06:55.34 | Macer | yes? |
| 06:55.38 | zakkm | really? |
| 06:55.43 | zakkm | no like phyiscal burn |
| 06:55.45 | Macer | seriously |
| 06:55.48 | Macer | no |
| 06:55.50 | fureddo | zakkm, Could you try a Thai glossary after that? |
| 06:55.56 | zakkm | fureddo: i did the test? |
| 06:55.56 | Macer | like... can't r/w in a section burn |
| 06:56.42 | zakkm | Macer: ohh i have no idea |
| 06:56.51 | fureddo | zakkm, Could you try to import a Thai glossary? |
| 06:57.04 | Macer | i'm wondering how much swap space i should give maemo |
| 06:57.06 | zakkm | yeah , by the way, last was japanese |
| 06:57.09 | Macer | you think 256 is enough? |
| 06:57.21 | Macer | i mean does maemo really need more than that? |
| 06:57.22 | Macer | heh |
| 06:57.25 | zakkm | Macer: you will use the same swap parititon for all OS's |
| 06:57.27 | fureddo | zakkm, Thanks. That was a good test. I'm surprised that it works. |
| 06:57.44 | Macer | ah.. i'll give it 512MB then just to be sure |
| 06:57.57 | Macer | Mer should be ok with 512MB you think? |
| 06:58.03 | zakkm | Macer: also mer will use it too, and mer you might want to try kde4 apps and such |
| 06:58.11 | zakkm | or gnome or something |
| 06:58.12 | Macer | kde4? haha |
| 06:58.13 | Macer | ok then |
| 06:58.16 | Macer | 2048MB |
| 06:58.18 | Macer | lol |
| 06:58.21 | zakkm | I tried kontact the other day |
| 06:58.27 | zakkm | noo |
| 06:58.30 | zakkm | not desktop, just a app |
| 06:58.46 | Macer | so 1GB ;) |
| 06:59.52 | zakkm | fureddo: thai works just fine.... just cant read it |
| 06:59.55 | zakkm | its all black squares |
| 07:01.33 | fureddo | zakkm, If you see squares, it's probably because you are not using the right font. But it's ok. That's expected. |
| 07:01.51 | fureddo | zakkm, Fonts can be changed in the Preferences. |
| 07:02.13 | fureddo | zakkm, But it's a good enough test so far. |
| 07:02.23 | fureddo | zakkm, Thanks a lot for your time. |
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| 07:02.57 | fureddo | zakkm, I checked my deb's control file and the dependencies were right except for the audio thingie. |
| 07:03.17 | zakkm | fureddo: anytime, sorry ididnt have the stuff already installed, so it took awhile |
| 07:03.32 | fureddo | zakkm, No, that's better like that actually. |
| 07:03.49 | fureddo | zakkm, It's a better test IMHO. |
| 07:04.17 | fureddo | zakkm, When you started the application and the dependencies were not installed, you received an error message? |
| 07:04.29 | zakkm | no the way maemo works, nothing happens |
| 07:04.38 | zakkm | you click , nothing happens |
| 07:04.40 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok |
| 07:04.57 | zakkm | the only reason i knew it wasnt going to work, was cause i waited too long |
| 07:04.57 | fureddo | zakkm, Because the dependencies with Qt was declared. |
| 07:05.25 | fureddo | zakkm, I guess it's because that you installed it using dpkg -i |
| 07:05.29 | Macer | i suppose it takes a long time to format 15GB on an SD |
| 07:05.51 | Macer | i'm just going to put mer on the internal 2G and use the entire other SD for my little maemo project |
| 07:05.54 | fureddo | zakkm, If you had installed it using apt-get, it would have resolved the dependencies by itself and install other packages. |
| 07:06.23 | fureddo | zakkm, Of course, you could not install it with apt-get because the package is not in a repository. |
| 07:06.26 | zakkm | yeah but because its not in repo and i downloaded the deb |
| 07:06.34 | zakkm | well |
| 07:06.38 | zakkm | theres maemo application manager |
| 07:06.38 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok, it makes sense. |
| 07:06.41 | zakkm | which i installed it with |
| 07:06.50 | zakkm | but for some oddd reason it didnt get dependencies |
| 07:07.01 | zakkm | maemo has a uhh "gdeb" ? |
| 07:07.12 | fureddo | zakkm, gdeb??? |
| 07:07.15 | Macer | ouch |
| 07:07.17 | zakkm | ahh gdebi |
| 07:07.18 | zakkm | nooo |
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| 07:07.25 | zakkm | i intsalled with app manager, it didnt even try to get dependencies |
| 07:07.29 | Macer | my damn tablet reboot itself while formatting the SD |
| 07:07.30 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 07:07.31 | qwerty12_N810 | gdebi? No, and it's pretty slow on a tablet anyway... |
| 07:07.33 | zakkm | it installed but wouldnt run |
| 07:07.49 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: i was trying to explain app manager, to fureddo who doesnt have a tablet. |
| 07:07.52 | zakkm | -.- |
| 07:08.12 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 07:08.21 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok, anyway, I will upload it to extras-devel repo and see what happens. |
| 07:08.21 | zakkm | ahh maybe synaptic is better |
| 07:09.19 | fureddo | zakkm, How did you find out that you needed the libaudio thingie? When did you see the error message?? |
| 07:09.35 | zakkm | i figured it failed to install cauase when i clicked it from menu it didnt run |
| 07:09.39 | zakkm | and rather than trying from terminal |
| 07:09.45 | zakkm | i tried dpkg-i'ing it |
| 07:09.59 | Macer | wtf |
| 07:10.21 | zakkm | and it pulled libaudio in |
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| 07:10.29 | zakkm | after apt-get'ing the other stuff |
| 07:10.41 | zakkm | fureddo: ill show you , onesec |
| 07:11.00 | wazd_n800 | heya all |
| 07:11.18 | zakkm | hey wazd_n800 |
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| 07:12.12 | zakkm | fureddo: http://pastebin.com/m5b1b68eb |
| 07:13.55 | fureddo | zakkm, Ok thanks. I think that I don't need to put libaudio2 in the dependencies. apt-get will manage to find out by itself. |
| 07:14.13 | zakkm | oh okay sorry :( |
| 07:14.44 | fureddo | zakkm, Don't be sorry. You're very helpful. |
| 07:14.56 | Macer | seems like this sd is going slow as shit |
| 07:14.57 | Macer | heh |
| 07:14.58 | Macer | bbl |
| 07:15.01 | Macer | formatting it again |
| 07:15.13 | zakkm | Macer: lol |
| 07:15.39 | fureddo | zakkm, I will upload tomotko in the repo this week-end. |
| 07:15.44 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:15.52 | zakkm | morning Jaffa |
| 07:15.53 | fureddo | Thank you all for your help. |
| 07:16.01 | Macer | zakkm: no big deal |
| 07:16.13 | Macer | as long as it says the proper device name when it boots haha |
| 07:16.44 | zakkm | anyone have solution for hex a hop |
| 07:16.48 | zakkm | this game is driving me crazy |
| 07:19.45 | Macer | now you have me wondering if it will go faster with the SD as opposed to the internal sd stuff they use |
| 07:19.49 | Macer | i wonder what class the itnernal stuff is |
| 07:19.56 | Macer | probably 2 |
| 07:20.06 | zakkm | ? |
| 07:20.09 | zakkm | internal sd stuff |
| 07:20.12 | zakkm | NAND isnt it? |
| 07:20.15 | Macer | is it? |
| 07:20.18 | zakkm | and also it uses jffs2 |
| 07:20.19 | Macer | i just thought it was a hardwired sd |
| 07:20.25 | zakkm | it uses a compressed filesystem |
| 07:20.35 | Macer | the internal 2GB in an n810? |
| 07:20.43 | zakkm | not 100% |
| 07:20.45 | zakkm | but its jffs2 |
| 07:21.06 | zakkm | yeah its nand |
| 07:21.53 | zakkm | Flash filesystem specialist Datalight Inc. will soon release a commercial Linux FFS claimed to provide 400 percent the write performance and 500 percent the mount speed of JFFS2. The company's new commercial FFS will target Linux-based mobile phones, set-top boxes, and other embedded devices. |
| 07:22.09 | zakkm | lol goes to show jffs2 (internal filesystem )is slow :D |
| 07:22.14 | zakkm | jan 2008 post |
| 07:28.02 | Macer | ah well.. i'll be working off the external anyways |
| 07:28.11 | Macer | it's all set up and booting maemo with "12.2GB internal" |
| 07:28.12 | Macer | :) |
| 07:28.26 | `0660 | i wonder what license they were planning for this "commercial" filesystem for linux |
| 07:28.39 | Macer | `0660: pay to use |
| 07:28.40 | Macer | heh |
| 07:29.18 | zakkm | Macer: did you see "macuco" ? |
| 07:29.21 | Macer | no |
| 07:29.23 | zakkm | the greatest new tablet app? |
| 07:29.24 | `0660 | i don't think gpl allows it |
| 07:29.36 | zakkm | gmail app with kinetic scrolling |
| 07:29.41 | zakkm | to mimic ipods "mail" ? |
| 07:29.52 | zakkm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbgPHc3VfgQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpuelocesar%2Ewordpress%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:29.53 | Macer | i'm working on the last part of that section of my blog |
| 07:29.57 | Macer | on how to clone it over |
| 07:30.06 | Macer | i sure wish that i knew where that old page was that showed you how to do it manually |
| 07:30.13 | Macer | i'm not a big fan of using stuff like console-tools |
| 07:30.24 | zakkm | ? |
| 07:30.27 | zakkm | you use pb and pbeasy? |
| 07:30.39 | Macer | i'm using pb right now |
| 07:30.47 | zakkm | whats wrong with it? |
| 07:30.49 | Macer | nothing |
| 07:30.56 | Macer | but using it doesn't teach you what happens in the background ;) |
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| 07:31.47 | zakkm | woww |
| 07:31.51 | zakkm | macuco is aesomee |
| 07:33.21 | chx | url please |
| 07:33.40 | zakkm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbgPHc3VfgQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fpuelocesar%2Ewordpress%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded <--- youtube vid but its in extras-devel |
| 07:34.54 | chx | if i use this how can i switch off the original mailer? |
| 07:35.04 | chx | also, how can i switch the web browser from microb to tear? |
| 07:35.22 | zakkm | you cant its still beta, it just came out? |
| 07:35.34 | zakkm | original mailer, tihs is just a app? |
| 07:36.48 | Corsac | gmail only? |
| 07:36.53 | gogol | yu install tear-bookmarks |
| 07:37.09 | zakkm | yeah |
| 07:37.16 | Macer | tear doesn't save passwords |
| 07:37.17 | gogol | cant change file associations though, that i know of :/ |
| 07:37.29 | Macer | and i couldn't figure out how to make folders in tearbookmarks heh |
| 07:37.31 | zakkm | it just runs microb opens gmail site with mobile scripts and adds kinetic scorlling |
| 07:37.49 | gogol | tear saves pws on mine, and auto logs me in to sites. |
| 07:37.54 | Macer | does it? |
| 07:37.55 | zakkm | Macer: what version did you use? :P |
| 07:37.56 | Macer | hm |
| 07:38.02 | Macer | zakkm: whatever was on the qole repo? |
| 07:38.05 | zakkm | oh |
| 07:38.09 | zakkm | qole keeps it very up to date |
| 07:38.17 | Macer | i will try again when i get the chance |
| 07:38.24 | Macer | maybe i just missed something |
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| 07:38.40 | gogol | i didnt set anything up, it just started doing that :) |
| 07:38.48 | zakkm | does anyone still use mediabox? |
| 07:39.05 | gogol | ive been using it recently |
| 07:39.26 | zakkm | is there still development? |
| 07:39.57 | gogol | think so... |
| 07:41.47 | gogol | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29298 looks like release just a few months ago |
| 07:42.33 | zakkm | anyone know why when i added account-plugins-haze well installed, and i put my msn id and pass, it doesnt do anything when press finish? |
| 07:42.42 | zakkm | like it didnt install "accouth" |
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| 07:43.44 | zakkm | gogol: cool, ill install :D |
| 07:47.05 | gogol | i like it |
| 07:47.16 | zakkm | does youtube plugin work? |
| 07:47.19 | gogol | 's interface but it's a bit clunky at times. |
| 07:47.40 | gogol | never tried it. i use mytube, its nice and lightweight. |
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| 07:47.50 | zakkm | ah me too |
| 07:47.55 | zakkm | but to have one app fo rall would be nice |
| 07:48.04 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 07:48.09 | gogol | you'd like canola then. |
| 07:48.16 | zakkm | hey Andy80 |
| 07:48.24 | zakkm | used to use canola |
| 07:48.30 | zakkm | dont like it anymore |
| 07:48.35 | zakkm | im not a new tablet user. |
| 07:48.54 | gogol | what's wrong with canola? |
| 07:49.20 | zakkm | takes ages to startup |
| 07:49.33 | zakkm | and youtube doesnt work anymore |
| 07:49.55 | gogol | on what? a 770? seems to start up quick on an n810 |
| 07:51.15 | zakkm | n800 |
| 07:51.22 | zakkm | my n770 wsod about two years ago |
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| 07:52.28 | gogol | ouch. i still have mine but the touchscreen has a big dead zone. you have to really pound on it. |
| 07:52.39 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:52.41 | zakkm | without warranty |
| 07:56.04 | Macer | crap |
| 07:56.07 | Macer | i think i'm done with that section |
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| 07:57.25 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-2-the-control-flash/ |
| 07:57.29 | Macer | :) |
| 07:57.35 | Macer | now onto the part where i really start to pull my hair out. |
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| 08:04.41 | gogol | wow, you really dont want to use console-tools eh Macer |
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| 08:06.02 | timeless_mbp | Macer: ping |
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| 08:06.10 | timeless_mbp | can you please fix your web page to have a left margin? |
| 08:06.16 | timeless_mbp | it's really mean not to have one |
| 08:08.39 | timeless_mbp | 2. are you changing hildon-application-manager.list or just reviewing it? |
| 08:09.10 | timeless_mbp | because it's "not a file your own", you don't have the right to make changes to it (it's auto generated and will be destroyed whenever things feel like it) |
| 08:09.25 | timeless_mbp | if you want to add your own repositories manually you should use my-name.list |
| 08:09.31 | timeless_mbp | where my-name is whatever |
| 08:09.45 | timeless_mbp | 3. don't suggest using /etc/apt/sources.list at all |
| 08:09.53 | timeless_mbp | just use my-name in sources.list.d |
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| 08:10.52 | timeless_mbp | 4. please change the font face for your terminal text, for me, i get a really awful font |
| 08:10.57 | timeless_mbp | (os x, safari) |
| 08:11.18 | timeless_mbp | partly because the font size is too small, but probably also because you asked for something screwy |
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| 08:11.32 | timeless_mbp | 5. please use a spell checker "unatteded" isn't a word (even my irc client knows that!) |
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| 08:12.14 | Macer | lol |
| 08:12.34 | `0660 | this photo of may looks quite similar to the ones releaved lately: http://www.mobilewhack.com/nokia-reveals-a-new-tablet-the-n900/ |
| 08:12.57 | `0660 | revealed |
| 08:13.05 | Macer | timeless_mbp: you could have added that as a comment ;) |
| 08:13.14 | Jaffa | `0660: Ye-sss. Except where it doesn't ;-) |
| 08:13.16 | timeless_mbp | you don't want this as a comment |
| 08:13.21 | timeless_mbp | you want to silently fix them :) |
| 08:13.27 | Razumihin | engadget had real photos couple of days ago. |
| 08:13.32 | Macer | lol |
| 08:13.39 | Macer | well. the border is there in ff |
| 08:13.44 | Macer | margin actually |
| 08:13.51 | Macer | the font can be adjusted |
| 08:13.58 | timeless_mbp | it isn't in safari... not sure what you did |
| 08:13.59 | Macer | by hitting the large/small font icon on the top right |
| 08:14.08 | lbt | N810 £130 at play.com |
| 08:14.12 | Macer | timeless_mbp: it's a wordpress site |
| 08:14.16 | Macer | i'm sure it's safari anyways :-P |
| 08:14.26 | Macer | sorry about the spelling but that was just as a reference |
| 08:14.31 | Macer | the real stuff comes afterwards |
| 08:14.37 | Razumihin | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/ |
| 08:14.40 | Macer | so i was kind of rushing through it |
| 08:14.42 | timeless_mbp | Macer: using cmd-+ once in safari causes the tt area to be readable |
| 08:14.53 | timeless_mbp | but the rest of the text is too big then |
| 08:15.05 | Macer | at the top there is a font changer |
| 08:15.13 | Macer | like i said. it's just wordpress with a theme ;) |
| 08:15.14 | Razumihin | Keyboard looks better than n97 but i'm not entirely convinced about the slider. |
| 08:15.23 | timeless_mbp | so wordpress sucks |
| 08:15.26 | timeless_mbp | good to know |
| 08:15.29 | Macer | haha |
| 08:15.31 | Macer | well.. yeah i guess |
| 08:15.35 | Macer | but it's easy to set up in apache ;) |
| 08:15.53 | RST38h | moos |
| 08:15.56 | Macer | i wasn't planning on making money off it with its adsense plugin |
| 08:15.56 | Macer | haha |
| 08:16.02 | Macer | but then again |
| 08:16.07 | Macer | one might use the argument that safari sucks :) |
| 08:16.10 | timeless_mbp | `0660: note that the link you provided claimed something would be released the month following may |
| 08:16.15 | timeless_mbp | last i checked, that was june |
| 08:16.18 | timeless_mbp | and we're in august |
| 08:16.26 | timeless_mbp | i haven't seen any releases/announcements yet |
| 08:16.27 | `0660 | there are differences, but in the other hand i think there are enough similarities to warrant an assumption that the photo from May was not only speculation |
| 08:16.43 | timeless_mbp | the bible suggests a way to recognize a false prophet: |
| 08:16.51 | Macer | lol |
| 08:16.51 | RST38h | the keyboard is better than n97 |
| 08:16.55 | timeless_mbp | wait and see if his predictions come true |
| 08:17.01 | timeless_mbp | if they don't, he's obviously false |
| 08:17.04 | RST38h | it is not possible to be worse than n97 |
| 08:17.10 | `0660 | i'm not commenting on the text of the post :) |
| 08:18.05 | timeless_mbp | `0660: people who work for nokia (such as myself) aren't allowed to comment on such things |
| 08:18.18 | Macer | and timeless_mbp |
| 08:18.21 | timeless_mbp | but that specific item has a picture of a diablo ui |
| 08:18.27 | Macer | that section where the word is mispelled |
| 08:18.31 | Macer | that was Fanoush .. not me :) |
| 08:18.31 | `0660 | i was just surprised that there was a such good photo of the device in circulation already in May |
| 08:18.31 | Macer | haha |
| 08:18.37 | timeless_mbp | Macer: file a bug :) |
| 08:18.38 | Macer | i didn't write that.. i just copy and pasted it |
| 08:18.39 | timeless_mbp | the fremantle sdk was released ages ago |
| 08:18.39 | Macer | lol |
| 08:18.40 | Macer | i should |
| 08:18.42 | Macer | hahaha |
| 08:18.44 | timeless_mbp | please do |
| 08:18.44 | `0660 | timeless_mbp :) |
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| 08:18.49 | Macer | "word mispelled in conf example" |
| 08:18.51 | timeless_mbp | which means they didn't even try to get the ui right |
| 08:19.13 | Macer | maybe i should sic it |
| 08:19.40 | Macer | # set to -1 for no timeout (not recommended, can drain battery when device reboots unatteded) |
| 08:20.12 | Jaffa | `0660: Apart from showing a Diablo screenshot, it *was* discussed at the time - but it's not a photo; it's a render AFAICT |
| 08:21.30 | `0660 | do you think that the render is pure speculation? |
| 08:21.37 | Jaffa | I have no idea. I guess it could have come from some internal briefing doc or marketing positioning presentation |
| 08:21.41 | Macer | `0660: everything is speculation |
| 08:21.49 | Macer | no point in speculating when you can just wait it out |
| 08:21.56 | Macer | :) and just wait for the real thing |
| 08:21.59 | Jaffa | Macer: +1 |
| 08:22.00 | Macer | when it's out it's out |
| 08:22.16 | Macer | might be just another vaporware product and nokia might not even release anything |
| 08:22.25 | Macer | they might use maemo for some other device |
| 08:22.34 | Macer | who knows until the chickens hatch ;) |
| 08:22.49 | `0660 | i |
| 08:22.58 | Mek | they shold just drop fremantle and go straight to harmatan :P |
| 08:23.12 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 08:23.21 | timeless_mbp | the other thing is that nokia announced we wouldn't be launching a tablet |
| 08:23.21 | `0660 | :P |
| 08:23.29 | Macer | they should just make fremantle for an n810 |
| 08:23.32 | Macer | haha |
| 08:23.43 | Macer | a stock nokia version running hildon with all working hardware |
| 08:23.45 | Macer | hides under a rock after that one |
| 08:23.51 | timeless_mbp | Macer: Mer :) |
| 08:23.53 | `0660 | i |
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| 08:23.57 | `0660 | heh |
| 08:23.57 | Macer | hides even more |
| 08:24.04 | Macer | that was me talking about mer ;) |
| 08:24.07 | Macer | haha |
| 08:24.13 | `0660 | i i i... i do hope they will release rx-51 soon :) |
| 08:24.19 | Macer | i just like messing with Stskeeps |
| 08:24.35 | Macer | `0660: i had hopes with this touch book |
| 08:24.40 | Macer | at least it's next gen arm stuff |
| 08:24.44 | Macer | but it's just vaporware ;) |
| 08:24.51 | Macer | like the year late pandora |
| 08:24.56 | Macer | ah well. bbl |
| 08:25.06 | qwerty12_N810 | The wrath of Stskeeps is not a force to be reckoned with in the morning. |
| 08:25.29 | `0660 | touch book? from apple? |
| 08:26.25 | `0660 | i would think that maemo team at nokia would release something pretty soon. they have spent enough time with no product releases already |
| 08:28.23 | RST38h | they are behind schedule according to assorted rumors |
| 08:28.43 | RST38h | and the schedule slipped more than once |
| 08:29.14 | lcuk | macer, how is dpkg coming on :P |
| 08:29.18 | `0660 | so it's likely that it won't be here in early september? |
| 08:29.36 | Stskeeps | macer, so far you owe me a beer :P |
| 08:29.54 | Mek | even if it is announces in early september that won't mean that it is available in early september |
| 08:30.10 | RST38h | 060: according to summit schedule they plan for fremantle experience areas |
| 08:30.18 | `0660 | :/ |
| 08:30.37 | RST38h | this may mean that the real thing wont be out by the summit |
| 08:30.37 | lcuk | RST38h, every summit held in amsterdam has fremantle experience areas |
| 08:30.45 | X-Fade | Mek: Well the release strategy has been mentioned a lot before. This time it is announce, available soon after that. |
| 08:30.50 | `0660 | well, i have time :) currently i only use my n800 at saturday and sunday mornings :) |
| 08:31.05 | RST38h | lcuk: you mean it is a sort of weed?:) |
| 08:31.34 | `0660 | it's nice to start surfing first thing after waking up :) |
| 08:31.42 | lcuk | heh |
| 08:32.51 | RST38h | anyways this experience area thing is suspicious =) |
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| 08:40.01 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, announced no tablet? where when? |
| 08:40.18 | timeless_mbp | someone at some point said that our next product was not going to be a tablet |
| 08:40.24 | timeless_mbp | i don't remember when, but it was ages ago |
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| 08:40.50 | timeless_mbp | i'm not quite sure what it means to not be a tablet |
| 08:41.14 | timeless_mbp | and having last night read something that talks about the fremantle device as being a tablet, or needing a tablet or something |
| 08:41.18 | lcuk | well i can assume that means it wont have a childproof lid |
| 08:41.29 | timeless_mbp | it seems clear that the message wasn't well shared internally :) |
| 08:41.48 | timeless_mbp | hasn't decided whether to file a bug about that |
| 08:42.02 | timeless_mbp | "dear sirs, you seem to have missed a management memo" |
| 08:42.10 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Not going to be *called* an "internet tablet" |
| 08:42.18 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: right |
| 08:42.24 | timeless_mbp | that was the thing i meant |
| 08:42.35 | timeless_mbp | and yet this thing i read last night calls it that :) |
| 08:42.40 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: "Multimedia computer" :) |
| 08:43.07 | lcuk | nokia n900: now in beige |
| 08:43.13 | X-Fade | Isn't that what the N97 has on it's back? |
| 08:43.25 | timeless_mbp | the last multimedia computer i used wouldn't let me mute my computer if it didn't have a sim inserted |
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| 08:45.41 | Mace_N8x0 | hello |
| 08:46.00 | timeless_mbp | actually, i'm still using it, but to make it happy, i had to give it a sim |
| 08:46.04 | lcuk | shift in topic - anyone with technical info on next device - specifically cpufreq stuff. will i need my performance mode hack on the next one, or does it run at a single speed |
| 08:46.33 | lcuk | or should i be asking this in like #beagle or something |
| 08:46.56 | Mace_N8x0 | heh |
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| 08:47.15 | Mace_N8x0 | i wanted to try a beagleboard out as a pc |
| 08:47.21 | lcuk | macer, i dont care what speed its running at, as long as its stable |
| 08:47.27 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: you mean fremantle? |
| 08:47.37 | timeless_mbp | cpu frequency scaling is part of power management |
| 08:47.45 | timeless_mbp | the slower the cpu runs the less power it consumes |
| 08:47.49 | lcuk | ahhh it does scaling too |
| 08:47.57 | lcuk | yeah, same on diablo |
| 08:48.06 | Mace_N8x0 | do they make beagleboard cases? |
| 08:48.09 | timeless_mbp | that's a hardware improvement |
| 08:48.18 | lcuk | not really |
| 08:48.23 | Mace_N8x0 | now that is something i would run mer on |
| 08:48.24 | timeless_mbp | and it's one which anyone using a battery and having a demanding consumer wants |
| 08:48.26 | Mace_N8x0 | ;) |
| 08:48.33 | timeless_mbp | silly consumers want things to be fast |
| 08:48.39 | timeless_mbp | and last for a "long time" |
| 08:48.44 | timeless_mbp | oh, and they should be cheap! |
| 08:48.52 | timeless_mbp | oh and pretty, and ... |
| 08:49.03 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, if i have code that wants to go fast and have no latency it needs to open all the ports |
| 08:49.08 | timeless_mbp | they should also clean my apartment :( |
| 08:49.11 | lcuk | and on 810 its selectable |
| 08:49.18 | Mace_N8x0 | hahaha |
| 08:49.32 | lcuk | should i choose to run in 5th gear at home with my charger in |
| 08:49.36 | timeless_mbp | for some reason, i don't think the next device will clean my apartment |
| 08:49.39 | Mace_N8x0 | depends on ones definition of fast |
| 08:49.54 | lcuk | timess, you havent read all your mails then lol |
| 08:49.57 | timeless_mbp | Mace_N8x0: sadly most customers have a definition of "not fast enough" |
| 08:49.58 | Mace_N8x0 | i think my 400Mhz n810 is pretty zippy |
| 08:50.00 | lcuk | nokia announced n900 cleaning services |
| 08:50.09 | lcuk | agrees with macer |
| 08:50.29 | timeless_mbp | some people complain that the browser isn't fast enough |
| 08:50.29 | Mace_N8x0 | amazingly fast for 400MHz |
| 08:50.45 | sarower | Is it possible to listening an applet with d-bus service? i.e sending message from application to applet!!! |
| 08:50.51 | lcuk | timeless, doing an awful lot |
| 08:50.52 | `0660 | i'm not buying anything if it doesn't help me with cleaning! |
| 08:50.56 | timeless_mbp | typically discovers these people have asked the browser to manage 200mb of data |
| 08:50.59 | Mace_N8x0 | i think it is the cpu clock speed marketing |
| 08:51.23 | lcuk | timeless, i thought stress was your homepage! |
| 08:51.29 | lcuk | 200mb should be a light breakfast :p |
| 08:51.33 | Mace_N8x0 | they want to see 5GHz in big numbers |
| 08:51.38 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: stress settles down to less than 200 mb when it's done :) |
| 08:51.47 | suihkulokki | .oO( turbo button like on old pc's ) |
| 08:51.49 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 08:51.52 | lcuk | anyway, cyas |
| 08:51.59 | timeless_mbp | have a good weekend |
| 08:51.59 | lcuk | suihkulokki, liqbase had one |
| 08:52.00 | Mace_N8x0 | when most consumers can make due with 1GHz |
| 08:52.02 | Mace_N8x0 | haha |
| 08:52.10 | timeless_mbp | Mace_N8x0: s/due/do/ |
| 08:52.12 | lcuk | and acmonitor was hacked to do it for me when i plugged/unplugged |
| 08:52.19 | timeless_mbp | (s/make due/make do/g) |
| 08:52.24 | Mace_N8x0 | lol |
| 08:52.37 | Mace_N8x0 | ok capt mensa :-P |
| 08:52.49 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: Is it possible to listening an applet with d-bus service? i.e sending message from application to applet!!! |
| 08:52.57 | timeless_mbp | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081025211232AAlHB7Z |
| 08:53.12 | timeless_mbp | Mace_N8x0: sorry, you're the second person to make that error in one week |
| 08:53.26 | qwerty12_N810 | sarower: I've told you before: My programming knowledge is very shit :) |
| 08:53.29 | Mace_N8x0 | i dont even know why |
| 08:53.37 | Mace_N8x0 | i knew it was wrong |
| 08:53.48 | Mace_N8x0 | but before i knew it the gun went off |
| 08:54.16 | lcuk | sarower, don't believe him |
| 08:54.54 | lcuk | qwerty knows everything :) and if not, he knows a guy who knows a guy who can get you one cheap |
| 08:55.19 | lcuk | goes anyway |
| 08:55.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, that "guy" would be lcuk :) |
| 08:55.36 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: luck is saying what/ |
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| 08:56.16 | sarower | luck: oh....then please help me..please |
| 08:57.23 | lcuk | sarower, i dont know specifically, what you are asking should be possible easily though. go and look at the intro docs for dbus |
| 08:57.32 | lcuk | the examples will work on maemo i believe just normally |
| 08:57.37 | lcuk | so you can test yourself |
| 08:58.13 | lcuk | but im gona! |
| 08:58.17 | sarower | luck: i did everything with dbus for a application! |
| 08:58.17 | lcuk | gone even |
| 08:58.26 | sarower | But cam do anything in applet! |
| 08:58.30 | sarower | can* |
| 08:58.44 | sarower | can not |
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| 09:03.35 | sarower | luck: which examples? |
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| 09:25.19 | Passeli | i am getting following error -> "QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine." when trying to run ARMEL binary at scratchbox |
| 09:26.04 | Mek | you get that when you have some packages missing... but I don't think those packages are part of the sdk... |
| 09:26.25 | Mek | (some package missing and not using run-standalone.sh and/or a full environment) |
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| 09:28.34 | Mace_N8x0 | wow. someone replied to a zimbra bug from like a year ago haha |
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| 09:29.24 | Mace_N8x0 | that was odd |
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| 09:39.20 | Macer | omfg my son is watching yo gabba gabba |
| 09:39.26 | Macer | and the marketing is in full effect |
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| 09:41.17 | Passeli | hmm, i cannot start hildon framework at X86 target, ARMEL works fine |
| 09:41.18 | Macer | hm. i'm sure there is screen on the tablet |
| 09:43.06 | Passeli | talking about scratchbox |
| 09:43.26 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: #4912 updated. Get to coding! :) |
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| 09:56.37 | Macer | is there like.. no screen |
| 09:56.48 | florian | good morning |
| 09:56.49 | Macer | am i missing something here? i remember there being screen for maemo :) |
| 09:57.17 | Myrtti | Painkillers <3 |
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| 10:03.40 | Macer | heh |
| 10:03.45 | Macer | well. i'm going off on the tangent now |
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| 10:03.52 | Macer | trying to get packaging and building working on the tablet in maemo |
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| 10:05.30 | Passeli | had to reboot pc to get hildon framework running in X86 target at scratchbox |
| 10:05.32 | Passeli | strange |
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| 10:08.25 | Macer | well. qt isn't realistic |
| 10:08.25 | Macer | i'll work on abiword first :) |
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| 10:30.00 | wazd_n800 | hello everyone |
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| 10:32.02 | lcuk | hello Doctor Nick! |
| 10:32.44 | javispedro | lol even spambots are happy than the h-a-m ban on = was lifted |
| 10:33.27 | roadies | hello all, I'm trying to port sofiasip_cli to a 810, glib2 is required and a major problem. Has anyone ported glib2 to the maemo OS? |
| 10:34.18 | javispedro | er.... nearly the whole of maemo is using glib2 |
| 10:36.08 | roadies | javispedro: sorry very new to maemo, where can I pull the tree for glib2? |
| 10:36.29 | wazd_n800 | has anybody seen detailed rx-51 spexs? it says bout 16 bit screen :( |
| 10:36.36 | javispedro | apt-get source libglib2.0? |
| 10:36.46 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: spam bots? |
| 10:37.19 | javispedro | timeless, yep, was subscribed to the tmo topic about it and have got some notifications |
| 10:38.44 | javispedro | one of them said something along the lines of "oh, good news. let's celebrate! <pr0n links>" |
| 10:39.18 | timeless_mbp | lol |
| 10:40.16 | timeless_mbp | context aware spam |
| 10:40.20 | timeless_mbp | the future is now |
| 10:40.45 | X-Fade | Well, it seems that there are just real persons answering these posts. |
| 10:40.54 | X-Fade | I guess labour is cheap there. |
| 10:41.08 | qwerty12_N810 | They've even got spambots where one'll make a fake question and it'll be replied with spam one hour later :\ |
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| 10:47.47 | aol | I really cant believe 16bit screen |
| 10:47.49 | aol | maybe a mistake? |
| 10:48.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Xephyr still has to be ran 800x480x16... |
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| 10:48.50 | aol | why? |
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| 10:50.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe to match the device? =) |
| 10:50.26 | aol | 2^5 == 32 shades of gray |
| 10:50.37 | aol | pretty impossible to do alphablending etc |
| 10:52.05 | zerojayPC | gotta be a mistake. |
| 10:52.11 | zerojayPC | like the 128mb of RAM. |
| 10:52.24 | javispedro | you expect a 18bit screen? |
| 10:52.26 | X-Fade | zerojayPC: No, it is all over the code also. |
| 10:52.47 | aol | 18bit would be already better, but not good |
| 10:53.08 | javispedro | well. Probably having better depth than what my current desktop screen has would contribute to the insane price. |
| 10:53.09 | zerojayPC | So what was the screen in the n810 then? |
| 10:53.19 | X-Fade | 16bit |
| 10:53.39 | zerojayPC | ok, I misunderstood then. |
| 10:53.55 | aol | hmmm, really? |
| 10:54.17 | aol | only 65k shades of color? |
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| 10:54.45 | X-Fade | aol: Create a gradient background and see for yourself. |
| 10:54.59 | wazd_n800 | wrong, ask lcuk :) |
| 10:55.02 | aol | the frame buffer is still 32/24bit? |
| 10:55.22 | wazd_n800 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.33 | javispedro | the framebuffer is 16 bit and trying to create a 24 bit surface results in crash. |
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| 10:55.41 | X-Fade | wazd_n800: Well, weakest link ;) |
| 10:55.59 | wazd_n800 | x-fade: you can notice that screenshots are with messed gradients too |
| 10:56.17 | Jaffa | aol: 2^5 is a 5-bit screen. 2^16 = 65,536 |
| 10:56.23 | wazd_n800 | x-fade: and liqbase looks fine |
| 10:57.11 | aol | Jaffa: but 16 bit screen does not mean 65k shades of grey, right? |
| 10:57.47 | javispedro | word of god: the epson lcd controller supports up to 18 bit. |
| 10:57.59 | Jaffa | aol: I dunno what the colour gamut of the LCD part is. |
| 10:58.09 | lcuk | afaik, the x11 default stuff uses a 16bit graphics mode to lower bandwidth around the system. however YUV graphics modes are fully 24bit :) |
| 10:58.10 | javispedro | aka RGB 6:6:6 |
| 10:58.28 | lcuk | so your videos are fullcolor |
| 10:58.32 | lcuk | and liqbase :D |
| 10:58.33 | aol | Jaffa: well what I mean you'd have 5 bits for each color in 16bit frame buffer |
| 10:59.28 | javispedro | btw, the screen may actually be 18 bits since the lcd controller says it does 16bit->18bit transparent conversion |
| 10:59.37 | javispedro | but I'm not sure how to confirm. |
| 10:59.50 | aol | I'll be very disappointed if we see frame buffer any less than 24bits as the gfx is hw accelerated.... |
| 11:00.14 | lcuk | how many "bits" does *spit* iphone have? |
| 11:00.20 | Jaffa | aol: Ah, I see. |
| 11:00.22 | javispedro | probably 16. |
| 11:00.28 | javispedro | also, powervr is probably 16. |
| 11:00.31 | aol | symbian phones have 24bit frame buffers |
| 11:00.51 | aol | I don't know what the screens can handle tough |
| 11:00.57 | lcuk | aol, internal framebuffers != what goes over the wire into the LCD controller |
| 11:00.58 | aol | supposed to be transparent anyways |
| 11:01.06 | aol | lcuk: I do understand that! |
| 11:01.07 | zerojayPC | I'll be happy with it if it's as good as the screen on the current tablets. |
| 11:01.27 | lcuk | though for the lesser graphics modes phones use, they might be one and the same part |
| 11:01.33 | lcuk | and may infact be wholy 24bit around |
| 11:02.13 | lcuk | zerojayPC, if the screens we messed with in copenhagen are anything to go by, the quality will be outstanding |
| 11:02.20 | lcuk | everything looks crisp and clear |
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| 11:02.35 | aol | well, that is comforting to hear |
| 11:02.37 | lcuk | and ohhhh so sensitive |
| 11:02.39 | X-Fade | And transflective! |
| 11:02.50 | aol | transflective resistive? |
| 11:02.58 | lcuk | nokia should supply bibs with the devices |
| 11:02.59 | aol | that I havent seen before |
| 11:03.02 | lcuk | so people dont drool on them |
| 11:03.08 | X-Fade | aol: n810 ;) |
| 11:03.09 | lcuk | the 810 has that |
| 11:03.14 | aol | oh |
| 11:03.17 | aol | I dont have 810 |
| 11:03.24 | aol | 800 only :) |
| 11:03.35 | X-Fade | Helps a lot when outside in the sun. |
| 11:03.35 | lcuk | second class citizen ;) |
| 11:03.36 | javispedro | http://www.meritweb.com/color-test.htm |
| 11:03.41 | javispedro | does anyone know a better test? |
| 11:03.50 | aol | yeah nokia did not want to give me n810 for free :) |
| 11:03.51 | wazd_n800 | aol: transflective screens are here for about 7 years |
| 11:03.56 | lcuk | heh, liqflow does a full color rainbow |
| 11:04.19 | javispedro | yes but my eyes lie to me. |
| 11:04.19 | javispedro | my tft is 18 bit but I see that perfectly fine. |
| 11:04.28 | aol | wazd_n800: I know, but somehow for example Nokia 5800 screen is not transflective |
| 11:04.36 | aol | wazd_n800: they say it's because of the resistive layer on the screen |
| 11:04.42 | lcuk | goes again |
| 11:04.52 | aol | same applies to all windows mobile phones I've seen |
| 11:04.53 | Macer | wow |
| 11:06.24 | zerojayPC | aol: Nokia wanted to give me a developer discount... but they gave me one that didn't work and it took about 10 months of emailing Quim before he just gave up and shipped me a free N810 himself. |
| 11:06.58 | zerojayPC | "gave me one that didn't work" = developer discount code |
| 11:06.58 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/14/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-3-the-tangent/ |
| 11:07.17 | javispedro | the iphone has a 18 bit depth lcd |
| 11:07.24 | javispedro | so my guess is 16 bit framebuffer too. |
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| 11:07.56 | zerojayPC | Lemme ask a coworker. |
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| 11:08.07 | wazd_n800 | zerojayPC, lol) |
| 11:08.33 | wazd_n800 | zerojayPC, I wonder how discounts work in russia |
| 11:08.50 | zerojayPC | Very simple. |
| 11:08.58 | zerojayPC | I hold gun, you give me discount. |
| 11:09.03 | qwerty12_N810 | Free AK-47 with each purchase of the N900 |
| 11:09.08 | aol | Looking at the iphone screenshots, my guess would be 24bit frame buffer |
| 11:09.09 | wazd_n800 | I think I'll have to pay the full price :) |
| 11:09.45 | javispedro | wonders why PowerVR Technology Overview manual uses "Escape from Monkey Island" screenshots as samples. |
| 11:12.47 | javispedro | theoretically seems powervr can do 24 bpp. I am yet to see it clearly specified though. |
| 11:13.57 | javispedro | aol: 24 bit framebuffer clipped to 18bit ? :P |
| 11:14.30 | aol | javispedro: yeah |
| 11:14.45 | javispedro | well. I don't have it so I can tell. |
| 11:14.50 | javispedro | s/can/can't/ |
| 11:14.50 | aol | I'm not really interested on the how the HW deals with it :) |
| 11:15.03 | aol | but how the bitmaps are created and handled |
| 11:15.11 | aol | it's up to the HW to deal with it then |
| 11:15.36 | aol | why 24 bit (or 32bit bitmaps) are so interesting, is that they are really really easy to manipulate |
| 11:18.11 | javispedro | aol, seems you're right. ogles uses 32bit RGBA at least by default. |
| 11:18.31 | javispedro | (in the iphone) |
| 11:18.40 | javispedro | http://michaeln.wordpress.com/2009/05/06/hello-world/ |
| 11:21.20 | Macer | wow. it is going to take me 10 years to install all the dependencies |
| 11:21.22 | javispedro | makes sense to expect that rover will at least allow to create rgba textures. |
| 11:21.39 | javispedro | but I do not expect a > 18 bits LCD. |
| 11:23.12 | lcuk | macer GO GO GO! |
| 11:23.53 | aol | javispedro: thats totally fine. |
| 11:24.13 | aol | 18bits is reasonable, 15bit would not |
| 11:24.44 | javispedro | hope the omap lcd controller sorts that. |
| 11:25.37 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/14/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-3-the-tangent/ |
| 11:25.41 | Macer | lcuk: i got stuck there |
| 11:25.50 | Macer | something about pkg-config not being able to find packages |
| 11:26.01 | Macer | at the bottom of that page is where i'm stuck right now looking for a solution |
| 11:27.04 | javispedro | two problems: you said you didn't installed pkg-config, AND, you're missing -dev packages for all those libraries. |
| 11:27.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Why not just do "apt-get build-dep abiword"? |
| 11:28.16 | Macer | because i didn't know i could do that? ;) |
| 11:28.52 | Macer | The following packages will be REMOVED: osso-software-version-rx44 |
| 11:28.57 | Macer | because of stuff like that heh |
| 11:29.14 | Macer | i don't know what osso-software-version-rx44 is but it seems important |
| 11:29.15 | Macer | ;) |
| 11:29.22 | X-Fade | Macer: Start with installing the unlocked version of that package. |
| 11:29.29 | qwerty12_N810 | At the least, you will have a list of packages needed like, say, libgtk2.0-dev |
| 11:29.39 | javispedro | install pkg-config first |
| 11:29.48 | Macer | javispedro: i already did |
| 11:29.52 | javispedro | ah, ok. |
| 11:30.05 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: ah. good point. |
| 11:30.06 | Macer | thanks |
| 11:30.23 | Macer | i wonder what is conflicting with osso-software-version-rx44 |
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| 11:31.11 | talig | Anyone around here who's had the pleasure of working with Cairo? I'm kind or tired of going over tutorials that don't work :( |
| 11:31.23 | Macer | build-essential removes it |
| 11:33.49 | lcuk | macer you sound more and more like me :) |
| 11:34.35 | aol | maybe stupid/n00b question: is the maemo5 being ported to n800? n810? how far is it? |
| 11:34.49 | javispedro | ~mer |
| 11:34.50 | infobot | i heard mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 11:34.53 | javispedro | lol first post :) |
| 11:35.21 | lcuk | macer pkg config is a path thing |
| 11:35.24 | lcuk | gimma a mo |
| 11:35.28 | lcuk | i had exactly this |
| 11:36.15 | aol | ok, so it's not really maemo anymore |
| 11:36.29 | lcuk | export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH |
| 11:36.41 | Macer | oh |
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| 11:37.21 | lcuk | building from source i think it looks somewhere else by default |
| 11:37.40 | VDVsx | ouch, simple raycasting demo (Qt) only runs at 4fps on the n810 :) |
| 11:37.40 | lcuk | or your source packages put their config somewhere else |
| 11:37.45 | lcuk | but either way, that fixed it for me |
| 11:37.52 | lcuk | VDVsx, ouch indeed |
| 11:37.54 | Macer | i'm running it again |
| 11:38.00 | Macer | although i'm missing a long of pkgs that abiword requires |
| 11:38.06 | Macer | dependencies from the pkg |
| 11:38.14 | javispedro | VDVsx, that's a lot. |
| 11:38.19 | lcuk | abiword is not required for dpkg on device :P |
| 11:38.37 | javispedro | more than what I achieved with glxgears on my Palm TX :P |
| 11:38.54 | Macer | lcuk: nope |
| 11:39.09 | Macer | lcuk: yeah but i want to make sure i will be able to build things from src |
| 11:39.13 | Macer | abiword requires a lot of libs |
| 11:39.15 | Macer | ;) |
| 11:39.19 | Macer | and configurations |
| 11:39.20 | VDVsx | lcuk, javispedro , is a very simple example, only math, runs very well in my 5800 :) |
| 11:39.45 | Macer | lcuk: what are the dpkg commands to download src, build and pkg? |
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| 11:39.56 | lcuk | VDVsx, yeah but your 5800 has a baby screen |
| 11:39.58 | javispedro | there's something fishy with the qt-diablo in extras-devel. feels a bit slow. |
| 11:40.16 | lcuk | macer, i used wget and grabbed from gnu |
| 11:40.27 | lcuk | running code, or the repo? |
| 11:40.53 | javispedro | lcuk, ^^^ you are asking me? |
| 11:41.00 | lcuk | yeah |
| 11:41.03 | ShadowJK | aol: yeah. The new Maemo 5, as it will be on the new device, would be way too slow on N800/N810 |
| 11:41.04 | javispedro | running. |
| 11:41.23 | javispedro | the sudoku app has quite a bit of lag |
| 11:41.27 | lcuk | aol, fremantle requires the powervr |
| 11:41.41 | lcuk | and since no powervr drivers for 8x0 are forthcoming |
| 11:41.54 | lcuk | javispedro, :) on diablo |
| 11:42.15 | lcuk | echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:42.32 | lcuk | to switch back to default |
| 11:42.36 | lcuk | echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 11:42.37 | javispedro | with an older version they didn't lag so often. |
| 11:42.47 | lcuk | it has noticable differences in liqbase |
| 11:42.50 | javispedro | this reminds me to port some day cpufreq-utils |
| 11:42.51 | lcuk | try it |
| 11:43.05 | ShadowJK | I wonder if the ondemand scaler could be convinced to scale up faster |
| 11:43.20 | lcuk | yeah ShadowJK i considered that at the start |
| 11:43.32 | lcuk | but a well behaved system doesnt care and can run at performance all day long |
| 11:43.41 | lcuk | its only when bad processes are dribbling stuff |
| 11:43.45 | lcuk | that it drains faster |
| 11:43.48 | javispedro | I'm used to ondemand; I use it daily on my desktop where (according to some) is horrible cause the athlon takes a lot to switch freqs |
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| 11:44.08 | lcuk | desktop is a completely different ballgame |
| 11:44.10 | aol | ShadowJK/lcuk: yeah that's the answer I got from Nokia when I asked this question in Nokia Summit in the spring... or basically it was generally the differences between OMAP2x and 3x |
| 11:44.15 | lcuk | it changes gcc compilation speeds noticable |
| 11:44.19 | lcuk | there is no latency |
| 11:44.24 | aol | nokia developer summit i mean |
| 11:44.32 | javispedro | what about conservative? |
| 11:44.57 | ShadowJK | I think conservative has even worse "interactive" feel |
| 11:45.05 | javispedro | probably. |
| 11:45.27 | aol | I'm pretty disappointed ofcourse that it will render my N800 useless in doing software for Maemo5 |
| 11:46.12 | aol | anyone know how many N770-N810 were sold? |
| 11:46.17 | aol | millions ? |
| 11:46.37 | lcuk | javispedro, the 2 extremes i found were: |
| 11:46.44 | lcuk | powersave - runs always at slowest speed |
| 11:46.55 | lcuk | ondemand is default and switched between |
| 11:47.02 | lcuk | performance == top speed |
| 11:47.10 | Macer | lcuk: but what do you use to pkg ? ;) i've never used dpkg to pkg debs before |
| 11:47.18 | lcuk | the others just do variations |
| 11:47.19 | Macer | i want to try to test it out |
| 11:47.49 | lcuk | i have a NEED to package stand alone liq* apps |
| 11:47.57 | javispedro | maybe someone should try an usermode governor which is ondemand to "get faster" but conservative to slow down. |
| 11:48.14 | lcuk | the problem with these threshholds |
| 11:48.19 | lcuk | is not how fast it scales up |
| 11:48.34 | lcuk | i have processes that dont consume too much cpu (maybe 20-30%) |
| 11:48.39 | lcuk | but they need to be responsive |
| 11:48.45 | lcuk | the scheduler slows it down |
| 11:48.45 | ShadowJK | performance isn't always top speed, it switches to 330 if DSP is in use, to put DSP at highest speed :) |
| 11:48.49 | lcuk | latency increases |
| 11:48.51 | lcuk | and lage results |
| 11:49.06 | lcuk | ShadowJK, assuming you are running audio apps |
| 11:49.13 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 11:49.15 | lcuk | and lag results * |
| 11:49.27 | lcuk | drastic lag in some situations |
| 11:50.00 | lcuk | javispedro, the only solution i could find last year that kept me in ondemand and also gave good results was rendering the scene TWICE! |
| 11:50.12 | javispedro | doesn't the thing switch to max freq when user input? |
| 11:50.14 | lcuk | which is counter intuitive to both battery life and everything |
| 11:50.20 | lcuk | but it made the program run faster |
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| 11:50.30 | lcuk | fuck user input, i want it fast now |
| 11:50.34 | lcuk | i might be showing an anim |
| 11:50.38 | lcuk | or scrolling a big list |
| 11:50.53 | lcuk | you have input at first, but then kinetics are going for +5seconds |
| 11:50.58 | lcuk | it judders to a halt |
| 11:51.02 | lcuk | and looks like pigshit |
| 11:51.22 | lcuk | excuse my french lol |
| 11:51.52 | lcuk | what if i have a nice animated background |
| 11:52.08 | lcuk | that would look wrong if it judders to life every few seconds |
| 11:52.12 | lcuk | looks at qwerty12_N810 |
| 11:53.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Dunno, a simple one works quite well too ;) |
| 11:53.28 | lcuk | heh yeah |
| 11:53.45 | lcuk | you mean one that just kinda meanders around |
| 11:53.51 | qwerty12_N810 | yeah |
| 11:54.00 | lcuk | huggles lissajous functions |
| 11:55.04 | lcuk | javispedro, the point is - performance mode might make you more responsive |
| 11:55.08 | lcuk | it worked on 810 |
| 11:55.15 | javispedro | it definitely does. |
| 11:55.20 | lcuk | hopes it will still work/not be needed on next device |
| 11:55.40 | lcuk | :D excellent |
| 11:55.52 | Macer | hm |
| 11:55.58 | Macer | it has to be the way pkg-tool was built |
| 11:55.58 | ShadowJK | lcuk, tried turning any of the ondemand settings? |
| 11:56.03 | Macer | i bet some sort of prefix crap |
| 11:56.08 | lcuk | i didnt play once i got what i wanted |
| 11:56.13 | lcuk | feel free though shadowjk |
| 11:56.17 | javispedro | only a perfect ondemand governor would not decrease responsiveness, and that's improbable. |
| 11:56.26 | Macer | i just allowed it to overwrite oss-software-rx44 |
| 11:56.28 | Macer | well.. rm it |
| 11:56.32 | Macer | can't wait to find out what doesn't work :) |
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| 11:57.04 | qwerty12_N810 | SSUs? (Although, truth be told, you're not in danger of that...) |
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| 11:57.59 | lcuk | javispedro, you wont get it |
| 11:58.06 | lcuk | like i said, i broke its principle |
| 11:58.30 | lcuk | because i had a process that was running <20% cpu |
| 11:58.30 | lcuk | but needing fullspeed |
| 11:58.30 | lcuk | i optimized it so much! |
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| 11:58.31 | javispedro | yep, it's ver improbable. |
| 11:59.03 | lcuk | http://liquid.googlepages.com/linuxtag_notes |
| 11:59.03 | lcuk | theres my notes about it |
| 11:59.03 | lcuk | anyway, must dash |
| 11:59.23 | Macer | yeah i don't get why pkg-config isn't working heh |
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| 12:07.47 | wazd | http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2019&view=1&c=nokia_n900_internet_tablet_nokia_rover <- kinda leaked specs |
| 12:09.04 | javispedro | wazd, GUESS NOT: RAM+capacity: 128 MiB |
| 12:09.11 | javispedro | oops. |
| 12:09.16 | javispedro | caps lock, sorry ;) |
| 12:09.53 | zerojayPC | Macer: osso-software-version-rx44 is basically a dummy file that locks down certain packages from being upgraded so that only SSU will update them from my understanding. |
| 12:10.09 | Macer | zerojayPC: well. i just got rid of it |
| 12:10.10 | zerojayPC | Before an SSU can be applied, that has to be installed and found. |
| 12:10.11 | Macer | haha |
| 12:10.19 | Macer | oh. well. taht can't be good later on |
| 12:10.29 | Macer | SSU? |
| 12:10.30 | zerojayPC | Guess it doesn't matter since we probably won't get anymore SSUs anyways. |
| 12:10.43 | zerojayPC | Updating without reflashing. |
| 12:10.44 | Macer | an update i'm guessing? |
| 12:10.45 | Macer | ah |
| 12:10.46 | Macer | ok |
| 12:10.50 | Macer | yeah i doubt it too :) |
| 12:11.02 | Macer | i'm trying to build pkg-config now |
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| 12:11.53 | zerojayPC | Who knows... maybe the community will take over SSUs for Diablo.. hard to say. |
| 12:12.14 | Macer | doubt it |
| 12:12.18 | Macer | they seem rather focused on mer ;) |
| 12:13.09 | zerojayPC | true |
| 12:13.36 | Macer | so hopefully nokia will stop being so damn anal and open up the remaining hardware related stuff |
| 12:13.40 | Macer | greedy bastards :) |
| 12:13.53 | Macer | pkg-config is taking like a year to build on this tablet haha |
| 12:14.03 | Macer | i honestly didn't think it was that much src |
| 12:14.08 | Macer | just for an app that just does pkg stuff |
| 12:16.26 | zerojayPC | Blogs karma... that's just for blog posts that appear in Planet Maemo, right? |
| 12:18.18 | zerojayPC | I guess it's easy to see that I didn't have much to do at work the last two days. My karma jumped from 400 to 460. lol |
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| 13:03.30 | Macer | wtf |
| 13:06.21 | zerojayPC | ? |
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| 13:34.50 | Macer | zerojayPC: hey |
| 13:35.08 | Macer | blah.. never mind i will just let mer install the damn bootmenu and see where i am going wrong |
| 13:35.13 | Macer | i am getting incompatible bootmenu |
| 13:35.22 | Macer | maybe it is the initfs_flash i am using |
| 13:35.59 | Macer | http://pastebin.com/d7ac923b1 |
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| 13:47.16 | GAN800 | lcuk, cpufreq stuff was improved for Fremantle. |
| 13:47.30 | javispedro | hope so, cause he is absolutely right. |
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| 13:47.35 | javispedro | just tried it. |
| 13:47.57 | lcuk | javispedro, in fremantle? |
| 13:48.00 | GAN800 | Also: you've got a shitton more HP at 200-someodd MHz on Cortex A8 than you do on ARM11's 166MHz. |
| 13:48.08 | javispedro | no, you lcuk are right :) |
| 13:48.15 | javispedro | ondemand sucks on n8x0 |
| 13:48.21 | lcuk | heh! |
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| 13:48.48 | javispedro | you warned me not to sleep so much not to annoy the ondemand governor |
| 13:49.16 | javispedro | I get way, way higher framerates not sleeping between frames |
| 13:49.41 | javispedro | I mean, not letting the autoframe rate thingie sleep even if it says so. |
| 13:50.40 | javispedro | probably busylooping would fix it, but kill the battery I guess. |
| 13:51.38 | javispedro | so we need to agree into a common standard to enable performance in n8x0 ;) maybe a "performanced" daemon listening for performance requests and returning to ondemand when all pids having requested performance die? |
| 13:51.41 | lcuk | :) cool |
| 13:52.02 | lcuk | the closest to good i came was just adding it to liqbase |
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| 13:52.21 | lcuk | and let the user choose |
| 13:52.25 | lcuk | but ive removed that as well now |
| 13:52.37 | javispedro | i trhink the daemon thing is not a bad idea |
| 13:52.50 | javispedro | in the future if someone has the time it could be extended to be a proper userspace governor |
| 13:53.02 | lcuk | acmonitor is another place where i did it |
| 13:53.14 | lcuk | it upgraded to performance when on a wallwart |
| 13:53.20 | lcuk | otherwise stayed in ondemand |
| 13:53.28 | lcuk | but there was no ui |
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| 13:53.37 | lcuk | and we really need proper profiles |
| 13:53.45 | qwerty12_N810 | gconf-editor not good enough? :p |
| 13:55.20 | javispedro | lol I was wondering why the FPS indicator was telling me 10 when the same game in "turbo" mode (aka no-sleep, fixed framerate 30fps) is playable |
| 13:56.21 | lcuk | you get 30fps? what res are you runnin |
| 13:56.33 | javispedro | very little |
| 13:56.39 | javispedro | looking |
| 13:56.54 | lcuk | and what graphics mode are you using to change |
| 13:57.00 | lcuk | most rgb modes are unchangable |
| 13:57.08 | lcuk | the closest you can usually do is xsp |
| 13:57.18 | lcuk | tho the lcd controller supports arbritary res |
| 13:57.18 | javispedro | I'm already doing xsp :) |
| 13:57.45 | javispedro | wxh = 256x224 |
| 13:57.51 | javispedro | rgb565 |
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| 13:58.05 | lcuk | what are you driving it with |
| 13:58.11 | lcuk | errr setting it with |
| 13:58.13 | javispedro | sdl_updaterect... |
| 13:58.21 | javispedro | ah, sdl_setvideomode |
| 13:58.28 | lcuk | didnt know sdl let you choose resolutions |
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| 13:58.36 | javispedro | it does not :P |
| 13:58.43 | javispedro | it just does boxing |
| 13:58.54 | lcuk | ahhh so its not fullscreen |
| 13:59.21 | javispedro | yep, but It does not draw the border at least. |
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| 13:59.39 | javispedro | aka either I clear it manually or shit appears all over the margin |
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| 14:02.01 | lcuk | youin windowed mode? |
| 14:02.46 | javispedro | nope, I am passing SDL_FULLSCREEN, but it does not do anything noticeable other than opening a "full screen" window |
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| 14:03.19 | lcuk | fair enough |
| 14:03.26 | javispedro | it does not seem to configure the lcd controller in any way if that's what you're interested in |
| 14:03.51 | javispedro | in fact, setting 8 bpp is slower than 16bpp, and my guess is because sdl is converting on-the-fly |
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| 14:05.51 | javispedro | yuv is out of the question for me, cause that would mean rewriting parts of the rasterizer |
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| 14:12.00 | lcuk | javispedro, yeah, 8bit is software based |
| 14:12.12 | lcuk | i looked into all that at the start :) |
| 14:12.46 | lcuk | finding yuv planar mode was great for me tho - greyscale 8bit chunky surface |
| 14:12.48 | lcuk | bliss! |
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| 14:13.16 | lcuk | all the code for working it is like working on old vga modex |
| 14:13.38 | lcuk | understands one byte per pixel |
| 14:14.04 | javispedro | hw paletted 8 bit would be nice since some games in the snes (without transparency, blending, etc.) could be rendered that way |
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| 14:18.11 | aol | apparently iPhone supports only RGBA8 (32bit) and RGB565 (16bit) |
| 14:18.15 | aol | bitmaps |
| 14:18.26 | javispedro | what else you want ;) |
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| 14:18.38 | javispedro | paletted 8 bit like me? :D |
| 14:18.49 | aol | it may mean the lcd controller does only 16bit |
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| 14:19.17 | javispedro | it would be pretty stupid to have 32bpp bitmaps, 18bpp lcd, and 16bpp lcd controller |
| 14:19.52 | lopz | hi |
| 14:19.58 | aol | so is iPhone screen 18bit then ? |
| 14:20.03 | aol | the lcd |
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| 14:20.08 | javispedro | that's what wikipedia and apple say. |
| 14:20.13 | javispedro | 160,000 colors |
| 14:20.13 | aol | ah ok then |
| 14:20.22 | aol | then you might loose two bits with the non alpha bitmaps |
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| 14:22.44 | aol | javispedro: you mean 262k |
| 14:22.45 | aol | ? |
| 14:23.50 | javispedro | aol: 262,144 |
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| 14:25.55 | aol | fair enough |
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| 14:46.48 | VDVsx | humm, maemo or Maemo for the TM name ? |
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| 14:47.59 | VDVsx | GAN800, around ? |
| 14:50.19 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Context? |
| 14:50.46 | VDVsx | Jaffa, "Be part of three exciting days of all things maemo⢠" |
| 14:50.48 | Jaffa | "Maemo" is the name of Nokia's platform. There is a "Maemo community" which uses "maemo.org" to discuss "Maemo Devices"' software and hardware. |
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| 14:50.57 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Definitely "Maemo" |
| 14:51.03 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 14:51.14 | VDVsx | source: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/049a76eb-1a69-436d-af98-c26e05af8e6a/maemo_summit_2009.html |
| 14:51.27 | Jaffa | And, if you're being accurate, according to the trademark policy, it should be "Be part of three exciting days of all things *Maemo*[TM]" (emphasis intended) |
| 14:51.57 | Jaffa | And the "Learn more & register" goes to the day 1 schedule. FFS. |
| 14:52.09 | VDVsx | yup, I will report that |
| 14:55.39 | Jaffa | wonders if anyone wants to hack mediawiki to do cool things (like I did for http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer) for the summit page. |
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| 15:10.02 | VDVsx | Jaffa, ask Tim, wazd :) |
| 15:10.18 | GAN800 | VDVsx, Maemo is only ever lowercase if it's attached to a .org. |
| 15:11.02 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Neither are here, and Tim's busy doing good work on the summit proper |
| 15:12.02 | VDVsx | GAN800, thanks, as I thought :) |
| 15:12.11 | VDVsx | Jaffa, can't help, I'm very bad in that area :) |
| 15:12.31 | lbt | goes to debian-legal for some light relief |
| 15:12.32 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Tsk. Practice makes perfect (or, at least, better ;-) |
| 15:14.02 | VDVsx | Jaffa, well, I have practice criticizing the designs of others :) |
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| 15:24.17 | lcuk | VDVsx, did you have a peek at that package i dropped on #liqbase |
| 15:24.31 | VDVsx | nop |
| 15:24.35 | VDVsx | zach's ? |
| 15:25.06 | lcuk | no, i pasted it about dinner time, ill be pasting more updates there as the other elements come into place |
| 15:25.19 | VDVsx | lcuk, sorry but I don't have a proto :P |
| 15:25.25 | VDVsx | lcuk, gonna try :) |
| 15:25.38 | lcuk | its built for n810 you numpty |
| 15:25.45 | lcuk | i use diablo scratchbox :) |
| 15:26.20 | VDVsx | eheh, you asked for someone with the new device :) |
| 15:26.33 | lcuk | yeah cos i want to know if it works there |
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| 15:27.21 | VDVsx | lcuk, ask a nokian :) |
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| 15:31.55 | VDVsx | lcuk, you are in the future, lol |
| 15:31.58 | VDVsx | Nokia-N810-23-14:~# dpkg -i libliqbase1_0.3.23_armel.deb |
| 15:31.58 | VDVsx | tar: ./md5sums: time stamp 2009-08-14 01:00:02 is 2712288.023010254 s in the future |
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| 15:35.05 | VDVsx | lcuk, humm, the app with the silly name, made my screen flick all over, closed it and now seems fine :) |
| 15:36.47 | Jaffa | VDVsx: First start issue apparently. |
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| 15:41.48 | VDVsx | lcuk, Jaffa what is the SCS server in the twitter conf ? |
| 15:42.24 | Jaffa | Not sre |
| 15:42.59 | VDVsx | humm ? |
| 15:43.18 | Jaffa | Not sure |
| 15:43.24 | VDVsx | :) |
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| 15:44.23 | VDVsx | don't seems to work, at least nothing shown up in my twitter :( |
| 15:44.32 | Jaffa | No, me neither. |
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| 15:50.47 | lcuk | VDVsx, it does work, but its finicky - i havent looked beyond a cursory glance (twitter.com/liqbase) |
| 15:51.13 | lcuk | the scs server is an ip to send the strokes to, unset - its just a test as i said |
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| 15:52.30 | VDVsx | lcuk, humm ok, but can I tweet from it :P ? |
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| 15:52.53 | lcuk | i have |
| 15:52.59 | lcuk | read from the console and see why it fails |
| 15:53.10 | lcuk | or does it just lock |
| 15:53.22 | VDVsx | let me see |
| 15:53.26 | lcuk | mmm hang on, maybe yours is still just trying to send to 10.0.0.1 |
| 15:53.54 | lcuk | not that it matters, its just a quick overview |
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| 15:56.33 | VDVsx | lcuk, http://pastebin.ca/1529597 |
| 15:58.00 | javispedro | "The client sent Expect: 100-continue but we only allow the 100-continue expectation." looks like a sane curl error to me ;) |
| 15:58.32 | VDVsx | eheh |
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| 16:04.28 | Jaffa | I've just come up with a monetization framework and plan for Maemo which'd be simple to implement and give app authors a way of earning some micro-payment income. |
| 16:04.44 | lcuk | VDVsx, jaffa, duno - but the fact it got a response meant it spoke to the server |
| 16:04.57 | lcuk | -jaffa |
| 16:05.08 | javispedro | so it is a server problem :P |
| 16:05.10 | Jaffa | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=311721#post311721 |
| 16:06.18 | qwerty12_N810 | I wouldn't want a reminder outside of the program |
| 16:06.43 | aol | but wouldnt it be logical for nokia to introduce Ovi Store for Maemo? |
| 16:06.53 | VDVsx | lcuk, are you fooling us, and getting our twitter pwd ? :P |
| 16:07.20 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: You could make the payment system manage/intercept the DBUS startup signals for a paid for app which needs paying for? |
| 16:07.32 | lcuk | ewwwwww |
| 16:07.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: That sounds fair |
| 16:07.51 | Jaffa | aol: It could. But we've already got the on-board App Manager (which is finally getting into shape) and a good QA process around Extras dropping into place. |
| 16:07.56 | lcuk | honour system please - give each app the standard ability to show help page with author information and easy donate button |
| 16:08.04 | qwerty12_N810 | I was thinking of WGA notifications... |
| 16:08.26 | javispedro | is already visualizing "moneycollectord" |
| 16:08.28 | Jaffa | 's not seen them. |
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| 16:08.34 | Jaffa | javispedro: "taxd" ;-) |
| 16:08.37 | lcuk | i actually think starting "the game" with initial credit of "£10" and let people just give thanks in a tip jar is good |
| 16:08.45 | lcuk | when they run out, they topup credit |
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| 16:09.08 | qwerty12_N810 | I was, er, seeing them for a while due to certain circumstances but (oddly :() I'm legal now |
| 16:09.09 | lcuk | if they dont want to give thanks, they dont have to |
| 16:09.19 | Jaffa | lcuk: Propose it on the thread. I think we may have to contemplate *some* form of monetisation to get the mass develoeprs the iPhone is seeing. |
| 16:09.20 | lcuk | btw, jaffa, you noticed the nobble in top right of all liqbase screens |
| 16:09.26 | lcuk | i cant im busy lol |
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| 16:09.57 | Jaffa | lcuk: I have: it pops up a little side menu (where 'help' didn't work ;-0) |
| 16:10.14 | aol | I don't see ovi store as app manager, but just shop interface that interacts with the actual app manager... just like in symbian |
| 16:10.21 | lcuk | thats cos i havent wired everything in yet, but thats the framework im moving towards |
| 16:10.34 | lcuk | cos all liq* things can be integrated into the playground (even this standalone app) |
| 16:10.37 | Jaffa | lcuk: looks good. |
| 16:10.49 | lcuk | the game score and credit can be managed easily with a standard interface |
| 16:11.02 | Jaffa | aol: Is there a series of screenshots/simple doc explaining it/the workflow? |
| 16:11.17 | Jaffa | From what I've seen of Ovi, the web UI is 'orrid :-( |
| 16:11.28 | aol | Jaffa: probably one can be found somewhere |
| 16:11.35 | aol | but I don't know of one |
| 16:11.45 | aol | well Ovi Store looks crap but it works |
| 16:11.56 | aol | I mean you can purchase, download and install |
| 16:11.58 | Jaffa | It may work, but it's not attracted the devs yet has it? |
| 16:11.59 | VDVsx | I like ovi store :) |
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| 16:12.07 | Jaffa | Working and attractive aren't the same ;-) |
| 16:12.13 | aol | Jaffa: why do you say so ? |
| 16:12.18 | VDVsx | at least in my phone looks good :) |
| 16:12.19 | Jaffa | Of course, having a legacy platform like Symbian doesn't help |
| 16:12.24 | aol | Jaffa: not attracting developers? |
| 16:12.28 | Jaffa | aol: Just what I've heard. Entirely hearsay, of course. |
| 16:12.53 | aol | I have very very niche app in Ovi Store and so far 85000 downloads |
| 16:13.06 | aol | I would not write off Ovi Store as being a failure |
| 16:13.19 | Jaffa | Fair enough. |
| 16:13.27 | aol | I mean I never could imagine getting 15k downloads / week from my own web site |
| 16:13.31 | lcuk | how much does app cost tho |
| 16:13.38 | aol | its free |
| 16:13.51 | lcuk | how many downloads would you get if it was paid tho |
| 16:14.11 | aol | but I mean pizza hut app (Free) was a hit in iTunes App Store and it got like 100k downloads in two weeks |
| 16:14.16 | Jaffa | We don't need Ovi Store for free stuff: we've got downloads.maemo.org and the App Manager and a push for Extras to have more stuff, be enabled by default and be high quality. |
| 16:14.20 | aol | I got almost 100k in two months for niche app |
| 16:14.22 | lcuk | and 85k downloads from a possible userbase in the millions is expected |
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| 16:14.31 | lcuk | look at omweather - that has over 100k |
| 16:14.36 | lcuk | on a smaller system |
| 16:14.42 | aol | so ? |
| 16:14.57 | lcuk | so numbers arent really useful without context |
| 16:15.02 | Jaffa | The question is, if we need a monetisation framework, is Ovi "it" or is there something a bit more "Maemo" possible, leveraging what we've already got. |
| 16:15.27 | aol | well I mean I got 100k downloads in two years before ovi store. Now with ovi store I got 100k MORE within 2 months |
| 16:15.34 | aol | is it useful - YES IT IS |
| 16:15.53 | Jaffa | aol: Right, but that's an argument for a centralised application delivery system. Which Maemo already has. |
| 16:15.56 | aol | also Ovi Store downloads mainly come from phones that ship with ovi store pre-installed |
| 16:16.09 | aol | 40% of downloads come from N97 which is not selling very well |
| 16:16.17 | VDVsx | Jaffa, downloads.maemo counts the updates, so if you have a user base of 5k and you deliver a lot of updates is easy to reach a big number |
| 16:16.36 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I think you want s/Jaffa/lcuk/ |
| 16:16.52 | aol | Jaffa: well, yes, but you just argued Ovi Store does not attract developers |
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| 16:17.13 | Jaffa | OK, I did. And you've corrected me. Thanks. |
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| 16:17.45 | VDVsx | yup, sorry Jaffa :) |
| 16:18.20 | aol | anyway back to the point, I would give Ovi Store coming to Maemo phones 95% probability |
| 16:18.30 | javispedro | I have to agree with aol. |
| 16:18.39 | aol | it is a big part of nokia brand |
| 16:18.43 | VDVsx | same bet here :) |
| 16:18.58 | javispedro | it's unfortunately even a better known brand that "Maemo" itself. |
| 16:19.18 | aol | I appreciate the fact you guys are planning something similar to the app manager, and it might be a very good alternative who just want donationware etc |
| 16:19.22 | javispedro | at least for now, and since I don't know Nokia's plans for the future I have to guess it will remain so for the foreseable future. |
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| 16:21.06 | Jaffa | wouldn't bet against Ovi coming to Maemo either. But that doesn't mean it'll help ;-) |
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| 16:22.04 | javispedro | is already deleting the whole git repo |
| 16:22.24 | javispedro | the problem with having a windows upstream is CRLF. |
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| 17:06.16 | Khertan_n810 | Hello All ! |
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| 17:07.00 | woglinde | hi khertan |
| 17:07.22 | Khertan_n810 | hi woglinde |
| 17:10.19 | Khertan_n810 | Am i the only one to found the interface of Fremantle with the existing theme in the sdk ugly ? |
| 17:11.03 | woglinde | I never looked at fremantle yet |
| 17:11.49 | Khertan_n810 | maybe it s better to wait :) |
| 17:12.19 | Khertan_n810 | i ven t look at the sdk too, but i ve take a look at the many screenshots available ... |
| 17:12.25 | VDVsx | Khertan_n810, it's a dev theme, so must be ugly :P |
| 17:12.59 | Khertan_n810 | vdvsx : i hope |
| 17:14.08 | Khertan_n810 | and i hope the RX-51 screen will not be to small too :) |
| 17:14.26 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: I'm aware of one screenshot from the running device, but I imagine Quim may have shifted back to a publicly acceptable theme, or the final theme is not yet deployed: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30493 |
| 17:14.28 | javispedro | with the enlarged font size, I guess it's going to be small. or at least, smaller. |
| 17:14.34 | Khertan_n810 | for me the actual one has a perfect size |
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| 17:19.08 | Khertan_n810 | we see so few things from this screenshots of the theme :( |
| 17:19.22 | lcuk | which screenie are we discussin |
| 17:19.25 | lcuk | hi Khertan_n810 \o |
| 17:19.49 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk |
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| 17:20.19 | Khertan_n810 | the one given by qgil in the post pointed by Jaffa |
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| 17:21.20 | Khertan_n810 | is trying to install edge (the palm game) in the garnet vm ... |
| 17:21.53 | javispedro | ah, the good side of palmos diying is that some games are now free |
| 17:22.15 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 17:22.26 | Khertan_n810 | this one isn t free yet :) |
| 17:22.37 | Khertan_n810 | but i ve a licence for it |
| 17:22.47 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:24.31 | zerojayPC | I haven't really seen enough of the UI to really comment. I do like the black... I just hope that more apps will be aware of theme colors this time around so that you don't get spots where important stuff is unreadable. |
| 17:31.28 | zerojayPC | Was there a lot of good games for palmos? Never really got into that area at all. |
| 17:31.36 | zerojayPC | Were there... |
| 17:32.36 | javispedro | palmos used to win in the "number of apps" competitions we do today |
| 17:32.45 | javispedro | by a margin. |
| 17:33.17 | javispedro | (that's the reason today I know that metric is nearly useless ;) ) |
| 17:34.52 | zerojayPC | I remember playing a few Gameboy RPGs through an emulator on my old Handspring. |
| 17:34.59 | javispedro | so yes, there were a few games. e.g. Tradewinds |
| 17:35.11 | javispedro | zerojay, Liberty. |
| 17:35.49 | zerojayPC | Handspring was Palmos, right? |
| 17:35.57 | javispedro | yep. |
| 17:36.27 | zerojayPC | I didn't play with it much. I got it as a gift from my mother-in-law who was working at a Handspring repair facility. |
| 17:36.53 | zerojayPC | I thought it was a pretty cool gift... until I noticed the box had an RMA number written across the top of it. |
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| 17:37.51 | javispedro | :) |
| 17:37.51 | zerojayPC | So, about a week later, Mr. Joel Freemont living in St. Louis got a package back with his Handspring. |
| 17:38.00 | zerojayPC | She simply stole it. |
| 17:38.26 | zerojayPC | I turned it on... found all his data on it, shipped it to him with an explanation. |
| 17:38.45 | javispedro | i still remember their rma guidelines. Remove the battery cover if you can. If you ship anything removable you're no going to see it again. |
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| 17:39.07 | zerojayPC | She got fired... thankfully. |
| 17:39.07 | javispedro | (stylus, hard covers, battery covers... everything would end up in ebay) |
| 17:39.13 | zerojayPC | Yeah, it's true. |
| 17:40.30 | javispedro | the other day I saw some of the Pre source code. They're still using the same coding style they used back in the Pilot days :P |
| 17:40.52 | javispedro | StructTypeNames like this, kConstantNames, UInt32, Bool. |
| 17:40.54 | zerojayPC | Oh yeah, they did just release the source, didn't they? |
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| 17:41.24 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:41.24 | zerojayPC | Hi. |
| 17:41.31 | javispedro | yep, they released the source, most of them are just patches to upstream |
| 17:41.50 | javispedro | but there are some "wrappers" around some of their palmone libraries |
| 17:42.00 | javispedro | (instantly recognizable by the Pm prefix) |
| 17:42.12 | javispedro | like a gstreamer element wrapper around the Palm Media library |
| 17:43.28 | javispedro | it's fun to see them keeping the same coding style; since I basically learned C coding PalmOS it is my favourite coding style too :D |
| 17:44.41 | javispedro | *coding _for_ PalmOS :P |
| 17:45.12 | zerojayPC | Heh.. I remember cutting my teeth on the Mac toolbox years ago. My mom paid something like $500 for a copy of Think C, Symantec's dev environment. I must have been 13 or 14. |
| 17:45.43 | zerojayPC | Back in ye days of System 7. |
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| 17:49.19 | johnsq | And there was already gcc |
| 17:49.31 | zerojayPC | Which I had no idea about at the time. |
| 17:49.58 | zerojayPC | Can't imagine paying that much for an IDE these days. |
| 17:50.18 | woglinde | hi javis |
| 17:50.22 | woglinde | hi zerojay |
| 17:50.32 | zerojayPC | Hey. |
| 17:53.26 | javispedro | hi :) |
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| 17:53.56 | javispedro | I just crashed sb's version of gnu make. with a Makefile mixing CRLF & LF terminators |
| 17:54.21 | woglinde | evil evil javis |
| 17:57.30 | lcuk | javispedro, :O you cruel git |
| 17:58.27 | javispedro | git is the cause of all this. with his hatred of CRLF terminators. |
| 17:59.14 | lcuk | hah |
| 17:59.16 | johnsq | javispedro: let some one work with macs, than you get even more mixed |
| 17:59.56 | johnsq | two evil companies meet the standard |
| 18:01.31 | javispedro | heh, today's the application request day :) |
| 18:01.46 | javispedro | qgil wants an ocarina app ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=311734&postcount=11 |
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| 18:03.07 | javispedro | what a weird request considering the iphone ocarina app uses multitouch. |
| 18:03.51 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 18:04.07 | wiretapped | hopefully qgil is hinting we're getting multitouch, and didn't just miss that detail of the ocarina app |
| 18:04.09 | VDVsx | let me see what I want :P |
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| 18:04.40 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhCJq7EAJJA&fmt=18 |
| 18:04.46 | javispedro | ^^^ ocarina app in action |
| 18:04.51 | wiretapped | has there been any mention of developer discounts for the next device? |
| 18:04.58 | johnsq | wiretapped: you can use the camera to get the finger position |
| 18:05.14 | wiretapped | johnsq: interesting idea |
| 18:06.40 | VDVsx | why not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXcqbAedxfs |
| 18:06.50 | VDVsx | only requires a accelerometer :P |
| 18:07.27 | javispedro | ah yes, that's what the other 30,000 iphone applications are about :P |
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| 18:09.05 | Stskeeps | javispedro: two-touch is technically some degree of multitouch ;p |
| 18:09.12 | javispedro | yep, was thinking that |
| 18:09.18 | javispedro | but that app requires true multitouch |
| 18:09.28 | javispedro | to distinguish between 3 presses and 1 |
| 18:12.56 | javispedro | we could "3 holes only" ocarina app and say we got 75% of the app ;P |
| 18:13.54 | javispedro | qgil mentioning the ocarina app again: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=311751&postcount=22 |
| 18:14.15 | javispedro | maybe wiretapped is true and his proto device is multitouch :P |
| 18:14.22 | javispedro | s/true/right/ |
| 18:14.35 | javispedro | s/his/qgil's/ |
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| 18:17.37 | johnsq | slonopotamus: lua didn't build with gentoo on n810 -ldl is missing. |
| 18:17.49 | VDVsx | javispedro, probably Quim didn't realized yet that multitouch is needed for Ocarina :P |
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| 18:18.49 | javispedro | or he has solved the geometrical problem of arranging the 4 holes so that no 2 combination of finger presses have the same center point. |
| 18:19.43 | VDVsx | lol |
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| 18:20.44 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: why? |
| 18:21.17 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: i tried to build and got missing dlopen .. |
| 18:21.43 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 18:22.13 | Luke-Jr | ls -lh /usr/lib/libdl.so |
| 18:22.44 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: its there lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Aug 9 12:16 /usr/lib/libdl.so -> ../../lib/libdl.so.2 |
| 18:22.59 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: bug is somewhere in the build system, i added |
| 18:23.49 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: mylibs="-ldl" in /usr/portage/dev-lang/lua/lua-5.1.4-r2.ebuild, but don't know if it is a bug somewhere in libtool or other autoconf |
| 18:24.31 | Luke-Jr | I'd report a generic Gentoo ARM bug |
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| 18:25.25 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: I know too less of the gentoo build system to track it down. |
| 18:25.48 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: it's just a BASH script |
| 18:26.40 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: right, but no "bock" to trace it. just fixed the quick and dirty way. |
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| 18:31.05 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 18:31.17 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: Ctrl-Z emerge, cd /var/tmp/portage/â¦/work/⦠|
| 18:31.31 | Luke-Jr | make it work, fg |
| 18:32.07 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: I edited .ebuild and ebuild digest and ready |
| 18:32.23 | Luke-Jr | lulz |
| 18:32.30 | Luke-Jr | report a Gentoo ARM bug -.- |
| 18:33.32 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: good I have no gentoo account, to report bugs |
| 18:36.37 | Luke-Jr | so get one |
| 18:36.38 | Luke-Jr | -.- |
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| 18:37.49 | slonopotamus | <.< |
| 18:38.59 | johnsq | enough todo, to fix my own bugs |
| 18:41.11 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: I said report, not fix. |
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| 18:44.17 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: I know, but also reporting needs some time. |
| 18:45.39 | florian | re |
| 18:47.52 | Luke-Jr | it's a florian! |
| 18:48.05 | Luke-Jr | wandering outside of OpenWrt |
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| 18:49.18 | florian | Luke-Jr: hehe... no, that's [florian] :-) |
| 18:49.29 | Luke-Jr | O.o |
| 18:49.33 | Luke-Jr | there's a difference? |
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| 18:52.44 | florian | Luke-Jr: yep |
| 18:53.00 | Luke-Jr | is Florian an actual name in some country? O.o |
| 18:54.11 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 18:54.37 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, nicknames aren't expected to be actual names |
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| 18:55.44 | Luke-Jr | slonopotamus: I'm aware. ⺠|
| 18:56.11 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 18:56.20 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, bme!!! |
| 18:56.29 | Luke-Jr | bme |
| 18:57.09 | slonopotamus | not 'bme' but 'bme!!!' |
| 18:57.50 | Luke-Jr | BEEP ME!!! |
| 18:57.51 | Luke-Jr | <.< |
| 18:58.44 | florian | Luke-Jr: Yes there are quite a few here... not really many but its not uncommon. |
| 19:01.30 | slonopotamus | ~beep Luke-Jr |
| 19:01.31 | infobot | ACTION informs Luke-Jr that the beeper is no longer in service |
| 19:01.31 | zerojayPC | By the way, good luck getting a bug fixed in Gentoo. I don't know what the hell they're doing over there. The entire project's been falling apart the last two years. |
| 19:01.53 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: two? try 5 |
| 19:02.36 | zerojayPC | Well, I didn't really notice anything too bad going on until about two years ago, with all the flames on planet. |
| 19:02.44 | Luke-Jr | lol |
| 19:03.13 | zerojayPC | And it's because of that shit going on that I just dumped Gentoo a few months ago after... maybe 5 or 6 years. |
| 19:03.14 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: I used to be a developer, so it was a bit more noticable. |
| 19:03.23 | zerojayPC | Yeah, I bet it would be. |
| 19:03.37 | Luke-Jr | I'd dump Gentoo, if there was anything better |
| 19:03.41 | zerojayPC | I was pretty much just a user there so I wasn't privy. |
| 19:04.09 | zerojayPC | I switched to ArchLinux and I'm happy with it. A lot more than I thought I would have been. |
| 19:04.23 | zerojayPC | I tried a ton of distros before and always went back to Gentoo after a week or so. |
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| 19:06.17 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: my long term plan is to replace Gentoo with something more flexible |
| 19:06.24 | Luke-Jr | I doubt Arch is flexible? |
| 19:06.30 | Luke-Jr | IIRC it's binary |
| 19:06.46 | johnsq | i tried it and got nothing configured :( |
| 19:08.01 | zerojayPC | Depends on what "flexible" means to you. |
| 19:08.16 | zerojayPC | It's a mix of binary and source. |
| 19:08.45 | zerojayPC | All the main stuff in the distro is binary and there's a secondary user submitted archive with something along the lines of ebuilds. |
| 19:09.23 | zerojayPC | Don't go installing Arch with the mindset of emerge --newuse world, in other words. ;) |
| 19:09.42 | zerojayPC | What kind of flexibility are you looking for? |
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| 19:10.28 | slonopotamus_ | even more flexible than gentoo? |
| 19:11.08 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: USE flags |
| 19:11.11 | zerojayPC | Well look... that's kind of unfair to expect that out of a mostly binary distro. |
| 19:11.24 | Luke-Jr | zerojayPC: hence why I won't switch |
| 19:11.25 | Luke-Jr | ⺠|
| 19:11.35 | zerojayPC | USE flags were nice... |
| 19:11.44 | zerojayPC | Until everything was getting broken left, right and center. |
| 19:11.58 | johnsq | zerojayPC: they can build apps in all possible configurations. |
| 19:12.33 | zerojayPC | I used to see the point of bothering with USE flags and CFLAGS...but these days.. not really. |
| 19:12.55 | zerojayPC | A few extra packages installed... maybe 800k each... meh. |
| 19:13.18 | zerojayPC | The only real downside is security, especially if you don't want those libraries installed or they're problematic. |
| 19:13.18 | johnsq | and buy every 6 month a new computer |
| 19:13.35 | zerojayPC | johnsq: Bull. I'm on the same one for the past 5 years. |
| 19:13.47 | zerojayPC | And let me tell ya... compiling KDE on it was hell. lol |
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| 19:16.59 | zerojayPC | 40+ hours. |
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| 19:20.25 | esaym153 | meh, I stick with debian testing unstable |
| 19:20.34 | zerojayPC | Egad. |
| 19:21.21 | johnsq | zerojayPC: I don't like to have things installed, i never use. like gvim. |
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| 19:27.27 | mgedmin | wants to quote that selectively as "I [...] like [...] gvim." |
| 19:30.22 | zerojayPC | johnsq: In general, I don't either. |
| 19:30.41 | zerojayPC | But it wouldn't be installed unless there's a dependency upon it anyways... so...? |
| 19:31.08 | rkirti | <3 gvim. Life without it would be terrible |
| 19:31.14 | zerojayPC | Unless your distro of choice decides to package up all of GNOME or KDE in one monolithic package. |
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| 19:34.12 | zerojayPC | And whenever they do, they add too much crap to it. |
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| 20:00.58 | lcuk | is churning through bugs tonight |
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| 20:08.00 | zerojayPC | sigh |
| 20:08.23 | zerojayPC | I gotta file a few bugs myself... just not really feeling it right now with this terrible head cold. |
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| 20:11.20 | lcuk | zerojayPC, swine flu? |
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| 20:11.54 | zerojayPC | oink. |
| 20:11.59 | lcuk | /quarantine zerojayPC anyway |
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| 20:30.29 | lbt | irc stag party in #mer |
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| 20:44.29 | lbt | Jaffa: attitude .... Build-Depends: gnupg it needs debhelper too |
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| 20:46.01 | javispedro | are you sure about Build-Depends gnupg? |
| 20:46.13 | javispedro | nearly every package says so, but that's AFAIK because it tries to sign it |
| 20:46.40 | javispedro | it should be preinstalled as much as "dpkg" is. |
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| 20:51.07 | VDVsx | lcuk, my region (Algarve) just entered in a pre-epidemic state with swine flu, I'm a luck guy ;) |
| 20:51.44 | lcuk | /quarantine VDVsx |
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| 21:00.33 | Jaffa | lbt: It's a bug |
| 21:01.05 | Jaffa | lbt: It should have no build-deps since it's entirely python |
| 21:01.23 | Jaffa | Will fix in next release which also avgs accelerometer data |
| 21:01.25 | lbt | it needs debhelper |
| 21:01.38 | lbt | which isn't build-essential |
| 21:01.39 | Jaffa | True |
| 21:01.46 | lbt | building now |
| 21:01.59 | Jaffa | Does Maemo even have a proper build-essential in the SDK? |
| 21:02.11 | lbt | maemo - no :( |
| 21:02.31 | Jaffa | Didn't think so |
| 21:02.36 | Jaffa | Bed time now |
| 21:02.40 | lbt | night |
| 21:03.06 | Luke-Jr | makes note Nokia STILL hasn't fixed the XMPP bug |
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| 21:19.43 | lbt | Jaffa: attitude succeeded.... |
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| 21:29.54 | lcuk | lbt, i believe you are meant to say |
| 21:29.58 | lcuk | "We have liftoff!" |
| 21:30.14 | lbt | 0.3.26 |
| 21:30.20 | lcuk | :) yeah |
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| 21:42.49 | johnsq | This looks nice: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/14/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxxxi-nokla-e97-probably-looks-much/ |
| 21:47.13 | mmu_screen | http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_001.png |
| 21:48.50 | mmu_screen | http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_002.png :) |
| 21:54.18 | MaceMer | hm |
| 21:57.02 | Macer | wow |
| 21:57.12 | Macer | ok. now i'm stuck with the network editing screen of doom |
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| 21:57.16 | Macer | where i can't do anything else |
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| 22:01.22 | mmu_screen | http://revolf.free.fr/beos/shots/shot_haiku_arm_boot_splash_003.png \o/ |
| 22:01.47 | javispedro | progress :) |
| 22:02.27 | mmu_screen | 24bpp != 32 :) |
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| 23:42.02 | lcuk | is grinning |
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| 23:43.34 | GeneralAntilles | is frowning. |
| 23:44.27 | VDVsx | yawns :0) |
| 23:44.42 | javispedro | does critical damage on Gtk+ |
| 23:46.52 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, when aren't you frowning? |
| 23:47.01 | lcuk | i was thinking about cleaning up liqbase.net :) |
| 23:47.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, in consideration. |
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| 23:47.07 | lcuk | and im currently on garage |
| 23:47.11 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Kerberos is kicking my ass. |
| 23:47.19 | lcuk | trying to grab the layouts you made |
| 23:47.32 | lcuk | but i havent got svn |
| 23:47.38 | lcuk | so its bein a pain in the ass |
| 23:47.48 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, my bitch friends decided against doing the website after I spent a ton of time making it work with WordPress. <_< |
| 23:47.56 | GeneralAntilles | Then they deleted all of that work, too. |
| 23:48.12 | lcuk | i told you, it wasnt a waste :) |
| 23:48.28 | lcuk | why cant i just grab an svn snapshot |
| 23:49.06 | lcuk | does git do svn download? |
| 23:49.12 | GeneralAntilles | svn checkout? |
| 23:49.17 | GeneralAntilles | Garage should tell you how. |
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| 23:52.19 | lcuk | git: 'svn' is not a git-command. See 'git --help'. |
| 23:52.36 | javispedro | there's a git-svn package on debian at least. |
| 23:52.48 | lcuk | ahhh i have git core |
| 23:52.53 | lcuk | from diablo extras |
| 23:53.28 | lcuk | could someone checkout https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=716 and mail me a zip or upload or something ? :$ |
| 23:54.42 | javispedro | lcuk, trunk? |
| 23:54.57 | lcuk | its the www page actually |
| 23:55.10 | javispedro | so only the www subfolder |
| 23:55.15 | lcuk | zach has made a nice example app and i think its time to fold up the current cruft on liqbase into a backpage |
| 23:55.27 | lcuk | and general antilles template needs fleshing out |
| 23:55.33 | lcuk | yeah please :$ |
| 23:55.46 | javispedro | 172 KiB, can do. |
| 23:56.16 | lcuk | wicked, upload or liquid@gmail.com , whichevers simplist :) |
| 23:57.34 | javispedro | email |
| 23:58.51 | lcuk | \o/ downloaded |
| 23:59.15 | lcuk | thanks javis :) |
| 23:59.19 | javispedro | np |
