| 00:01.33 | alterego | I think it's bed time, g'night folks. |
| 00:02.54 | Macer | good night |
| 00:02.58 | javispedro | gnite |
| 00:06.07 | pupnik | AWESOME javispedro |
| 00:06.16 | pupnik | dances around wildly |
| 00:06.33 | javispedro | good to know :) |
| 00:06.38 | zerojay | What's the problem anyways? |
| 00:06.42 | javispedro | do you think using SDL may lower its max performance? |
| 00:07.18 | javispedro | I mean, vs XPutImage / XShm like you and the original snes9x did |
| 00:07.53 | pupnik | i have no expectation of getting more than 25-30fps on n8x0 |
| 00:08.03 | pupnik | so performance will be just fiiiine |
| 00:09.27 | zerojay | Wouldn't be surprised if optimization is what iis causing the ai issue. |
| 00:09.44 | javispedro | ah, zerojay, you were asking about that |
| 00:09.45 | javispedro | yes it is |
| 00:10.12 | zerojay | Yeah, dsp code comes from zsnes originally, i think. |
| 00:10.18 | javispedro | problem is that the asm cpu passes unsigned chars with the upper 24 bits clobbered |
| 00:10.42 | javispedro | gcc with -O >= 1 does not clear the upper 24 bits in prologues |
| 00:10.48 | zerojay | And 25fps for snes is completely unplayable for anything but rpgs. ;) |
| 00:10.50 | javispedro | so chaos ensues in random points |
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| 00:11.17 | javispedro | zerojay, while I've not played it yet (no controls ;) ), it seems definitely playable |
| 00:11.23 | pupnik | dpad is unusable for anything but RPGs so it all fits nicely. |
| 00:11.46 | zerojay | Agreed. |
| 00:11.53 | pupnik | this is great news javispedro ! so excited. |
| 00:12.22 | pupnik | coming to amsterdam javispedro ? |
| 00:12.42 | javispedro | nope :P |
| 00:13.20 | javispedro | I'd like to, but it's too early for me to tell |
| 00:13.34 | pupnik | ok |
| 00:14.38 | javispedro | haha, did you try it with mario kart rom? |
| 00:14.48 | javispedro | seeing all the computer characters randomly trying to hit themselves is funny |
| 00:14.53 | pupnik | 256x224 should give very high reported fps |
| 00:14.56 | javispedro | most of them going reverse |
| 00:15.05 | pupnik | cool |
| 00:15.46 | javispedro | pupnik, while ingame, it's between 20-30 in mario kart |
| 00:15.56 | javispedro | sound on |
| 00:16.04 | javispedro | sound off is >30 |
| 00:16.49 | javispedro | i can build it without frameskip if you want |
| 00:22.04 | pupnik | eh i think fs=1 should be appropriate |
| 00:22.28 | pupnik | there be dragonz in getting synched 50 or 60hz screen updates |
| 00:22.39 | javispedro | :P |
| 00:22.55 | javispedro | currently it has no timing code at all. just render frame, skip, loop, render frame, skip, loop... |
| 00:23.11 | javispedro | (that's why it has a fixed 30/60 in fps counter) |
| 00:23.42 | pupnik | yeah they had some cycle counter on the arm920 |
| 00:25.29 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-2-the-control-flash/ |
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| 00:25.42 | javispedro | i'm surprised the audio works at all, cause it's rendered by a separate thread |
| 00:25.44 | Macer | can someone test the init flasher link and the pb console tools link? |
| 00:27.44 | javispedro | Macer, 392K initfs_flasher.tgz & 7,7M console-tools.deb |
| 00:27.57 | zerojay | Same |
| 00:28.24 | Macer | ok |
| 00:28.36 | Macer | as long as the files work ;) i tend to screw that up |
| 00:28.59 | Macer | is going to use Merlin just to see if Stskeeps has hair fall out.. which he should have anyways considering the plunge is coming soon |
| 00:29.28 | Macer | they don't call it the plunge for nothing :) |
| 00:34.32 | javispedro | dang it, seems the AI problem is going to be harder than I thought. |
| 00:34.36 | javispedro | well, leaving for tomorrow. |
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| 00:48.25 | wiretapped | ARE WE THERE YET ?? |
| 00:48.39 | wiretapped | (any new info on the new device's eta?) |
| 00:49.05 | wiretapped | is ready |
| 00:49.36 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 00:49.44 | zerojay | "Soon" |
| 00:49.56 | zerojay | ...Ish |
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| 00:54.17 | pupnik | the new device is coming very soon i think |
| 00:54.29 | pupnik | i mean, the SNES |
| 00:54.31 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:54.39 | pupnik | revels in 'Chrono Trigger' |
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| 00:58.41 | Proteous | would cronotrigger be easy to play one a no dpad device? |
| 00:59.35 | zerojay | I love CT, but i'd stab myself in the face before playing it on my n810. |
| 01:00.06 | javispedro | goes to bed |
| 01:00.07 | javispedro | gnite |
| 01:01.16 | zerojay | 30fps and no dpad? |
| 01:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Hey, zerojay. |
| 01:01.53 | zerojay | Gonna be hard to enter that L R and B code to enter that dome too. |
| 01:02.00 | zerojay | Hey. |
| 01:10.06 | zerojay | I know, I know... Long time, no see. |
| 01:10.27 | GeneralAntilles | ;) |
| 01:10.34 | zerojay | My tablet battery resurrected itself somehow. |
| 01:10.39 | GeneralAntilles | I already gave you your greeting for this glorious return on Talk. :D |
| 01:10.39 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 01:11.34 | zerojay | It took a year to get my developer discount n810.. And a month later, it was dead. |
| 01:11.52 | zerojay | The battery was fucked, wouldn't charge. |
| 01:12.06 | zerojay | Didn't have the cash for a new one. |
| 01:12.07 | pupnik | no problem mapping alphanumeric keys to dpad buttons |
| 01:12.21 | pupnik | sad |
| 01:12.44 | zerojay | Six months later, the tablet was sitting on my desk and just booted up on its own. Lol |
| 01:13.01 | lcuk2 | thats some lag |
| 01:13.07 | zerojay | Pupnik, can you press three keys at once? |
| 01:13.29 | zerojay | And have the keyboard read all three at once? |
| 01:13.37 | pupnik | if there are shoulder buttons in the right place, or adacent keys |
| 01:13.38 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, somebody at Nokia has it out for you. ;) |
| 01:13.43 | zerojay | Lol |
| 01:13.49 | pupnik | yes kbd can read |
| 01:14.02 | zerojay | I felt guilty for harassing poor quim for months on end. |
| 01:14.11 | pupnik | about what |
| 01:14.14 | zerojay | Meaning one email a month. |
| 01:14.16 | GeneralAntilles | "This guy and his goddamn bugs. This'll shut him up. . . ." |
| 01:14.21 | zerojay | Hahaha |
| 01:14.30 | pupnik | :) |
| 01:14.36 | pupnik | it did |
| 01:14.42 | GeneralAntilles | "Who has more than 4 contacts?!" |
| 01:15.21 | zerojay | So much changed... And for the better in most ways. |
| 01:15.54 | GeneralAntilles | I just want a goddamn device. |
| 01:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | I've wanted an OMAP3 every since the N810 was announced. |
| 01:16.33 | zerojay | I'm... drooling for it. |
| 01:18.44 | pupnik | will next tablet have a regular phone? |
| 01:18.49 | pupnik | or hsdpa data |
| 01:18.49 | zerojay | I think i won't buy another computer after the rx44. |
| 01:18.58 | zerojay | Ever. |
| 01:19.01 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik, phone. |
| 01:19.23 | GeneralAntilles | zerojay, I still need something to push big, heavy bits around. |
| 01:19.40 | GeneralAntilles | (3D, photos, movies, Photoshop, etc.) |
| 01:19.58 | zerojay | All i ever use my home pc for anymore is media sharing. |
| 01:20.00 | GeneralAntilles | But, yeah, I'm seeing a lot of my usage shift that way. |
| 01:20.15 | GeneralAntilles | s/seeing/picturing/ |
| 01:20.34 | zerojay | Heh, forgot about the bot. ;) |
| 01:21.36 | GeneralAntilles | _Monkey is dead, though. :( |
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| 01:22.20 | zerojay | Hah... That was milhouse's, wasn't it? |
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| 01:23.01 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 01:23.10 | pupnik | it just kept interjecting without being activated by metacharacter |
| 01:23.15 | GeneralAntilles | Long dead because he couldn't be bothered to set up a trigger. |
| 01:23.26 | zerojay | What a pain that bot was. |
| 01:24.22 | pupnik | had a pretty nice dataset of responses for a while |
| 01:24.42 | GeneralAntilles | and he was #maemo through and through |
| 01:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | As opposed to that whore, infobot. |
| 01:24.52 | GeneralAntilles | ~$20 |
| 01:25.04 | GeneralAntilles | What, too good for me now, infobot? |
| 01:27.54 | pupnik | ~infobot |
| 01:28.08 | pupnik | ~list |
| 01:28.08 | infobot | one warez list being sent |
| 01:28.14 | pupnik | hahahaha |
| 01:28.21 | zerojay | Hah |
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| 02:56.35 | FireFox16 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 02:56.37 | infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt14@pool-96-232-136-95.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 28m 32s ago, saying: 'oh :P :)'. |
| 02:56.58 | b-man16 | damn :P |
| 02:58.52 | b-man16 | is getting a Pandora as a replacement for his N800 :) |
| 02:58.56 | b-man16 | http://openpandora.org/ |
| 02:59.16 | zerojay | Hah |
| 02:59.29 | zerojay | Whenever it actually is released. |
| 03:00.52 | zerojay | It's been way too long already. |
| 03:01.21 | b-man16 | it is avalable - but it requires you to do a special order |
| 03:01.46 | zerojay | Yeah, it's not available. |
| 03:02.29 | zerojay | It's too bad, really. Was looking forward to it. |
| 03:03.52 | b-man16 | well, theay did say that theay are making a new batch for December, and there are still some left from last fall |
| 03:04.10 | b-man16 | will email them |
| 03:04.19 | zerojay | Must be developer boards only then. |
| 03:05.00 | b-man16 | yup - but it's still a pretty nice device :) |
| 03:05.33 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 03:05.44 | b-man16 | perfect for what i do XD |
| 03:06.30 | zerojay | If the rx51 didn't have similar abilities, i'd get one. |
| 03:06.53 | b-man16 | :) |
| 03:07.35 | b-man16 | it's a nice allternitive if you dont want to spend $400.00+ on rx-51 ;) |
| 03:08.23 | zerojay | If you don't care about the phone or maemo parts, maybe. |
| 03:08.54 | zerojay | It's what, $300? |
| 03:09.26 | b-man16 | yup |
| 03:09.33 | b-man16 | $330.00 |
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| 03:12.06 | gogol | hi maemo |
| 03:12.11 | gogol | anyone not just idling? |
| 03:12.23 | zerojay | Meeeee |
| 03:12.32 | gogol | hey zerojay |
| 03:12.37 | zerojay | Hey |
| 03:12.40 | gogol | :) |
| 03:12.53 | gogol | whatchoo up to this evenin |
| 03:13.01 | gogol | or morning depending on where the heck in the worl dyou are |
| 03:13.17 | zerojay | Wiki editing... Some ps3 soon. |
| 03:13.28 | gogol | nice |
| 03:13.50 | gogol | got my old 770 out and reinstalled latest OS...2006?! crazy |
| 03:13.58 | zerojay | Lol |
| 03:14.12 | gogol | ...and i think THANK GOD i have an n810 |
| 03:14.21 | gogol | no qwerty hurts BAD |
| 03:14.45 | gogol | :D |
| 03:14.55 | gogol | what pages on wiki you at? |
| 03:15.18 | zerojay | Maemo 5 dev guide. |
| 03:19.42 | gogol | installing vagalume and plugging the 770 into the stereo made it useful enough |
| 03:19.48 | gogol | man im fuckn bored. |
| 03:30.39 | gogol | well, Google Voice changed and broke Dialcentral / GV Notifier. |
| 03:30.51 | gogol | imagine that. |
| 03:32.27 | zerojay | I can't use it anyways. |
| 03:34.39 | gogol | y not? |
| 03:35.58 | gogol | short 1 GV invite perhaps. Or youre canadian. |
| 03:36.29 | zerojay | Canadian. |
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| 03:36.45 | gogol | Im wrong anyways, epage updated this afternoon. Maybe I can figure out how to stuff his new scraping into GV-Notifier |
| 03:37.35 | gogol | well im certain google will eventually take over the entire universe. canada's probably next. |
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| 03:54.44 | zakkm | did anyone see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fglg-MptslA&feature=related ? |
| 03:54.48 | zakkm | Tilt sensor on n810? |
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| 04:08.57 | gogol | tiltstick? |
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| 04:13.34 | zakkm | gogol: |
| 04:13.35 | zakkm | yeah |
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| 04:20.04 | zerojay | Dont see a use for it. |
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| 04:55.14 | MaceN810 | hello |
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| 04:55.58 | MaceN810 | well. guess iĺl go ahead and kee working on this maemo stuff |
| 04:55.59 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 04:56.20 | gogol | good idea |
| 04:56.37 | MaceN810 | has built and installed blackdown and is building openoffice now |
| 04:56.41 | MaceN810 | hooks up his charger |
| 04:57.33 | gogol | goes and fucks up python repeatedly until gv-notifier doesnt work at all |
| 04:57.49 | gogol | >< |
| 04:58.03 | MaceN810 | managed to pkg up new stuff too but have to work on how they actually install |
| 05:03.16 | zakkm | MaceN810: how goes abiword with cups? |
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| 05:11.27 | MaceN810 | zakkm, i have decided to turn my attention elsewhere |
| 05:11.32 | MaceN810 | just because of that |
| 05:11.44 | MaceN810 | http://tech.rancorous.net |
| 05:11.48 | MaceN810 | should be the 2 latest ones |
| 05:12.24 | zakkm | ? compile on nokia itself? |
| 05:12.38 | MaceN810 | yeah |
| 05:12.55 | MaceN810 | so far i have been building replacement bins for the stuff that won't run configure |
| 05:13.03 | MaceN810 | but i have to log all the stuff i'm doing |
| 05:13.16 | zakkm | heh |
| 05:13.21 | zakkm | built anything successfully? |
| 05:13.23 | MaceN810 | because i've done so much so far that i can't remember it all haha |
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| 05:14.04 | MaceN810 | right now i think i'm on installing pkg-config |
| 05:14.09 | zakkm | compiled succesfuly so much stuff? |
| 05:14.42 | MaceN810 | i'm using abiword as a base to how the pkgs are downloaded and built though because that is a pretty long configure it goes through for it with a lot of dependencies |
| 05:14.55 | MaceN810 | so i want to start logging exactly what it needs. maybe even store the debs on my own repo |
| 05:15.03 | MaceN810 | and turn maemo into a real computer heh |
| 05:15.24 | MaceN810 | well.. turn the n810 into a real computer with maemo instead of a replacement OS |
| 05:15.27 | MaceN810 | or a chroot |
| 05:16.05 | zakkm | dont like Mer? |
| 05:16.26 | MaceN810 | i was in the middle of the 2nd article when i had to leave heh |
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| 05:16.48 | MaceN810 | work emergency.. bastards... waah. we can't access our server.. .boohoo |
| 05:16.48 | MaceN810 | lol |
| 05:17.06 | MaceN810 | i couldn't get to it from work because some idiot turned off the wrong breaker |
| 05:17.13 | MaceN810 | work/home |
| 05:17.29 | MaceN810 | zakkm, oh i think mer is great for what it is trying to be |
| 05:17.40 | MaceN810 | so far i've gotten smaller things to build |
| 05:17.49 | MaceN810 | using abiword as a base because it has a lot of deps |
| 05:17.55 | zakkm | i was more referring to you supporting the project rather than focusing on maemo itself. |
| 05:17.57 | MaceN810 | and seeing if i can build and pkg its deps |
| 05:18.08 | MaceN810 | and use the tablet for making the actual pkgs too |
| 05:18.26 | MaceN810 | zakkm, oh. i never really used mer much |
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| 05:18.37 | zakkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.45 | MaceN810 | it has a long way to go. and maemo works with all the hardware |
| 05:19.06 | MaceN810 | i guess. but it doesn't look much better than hildon |
| 05:19.29 | MaceN810 | i know it's immature but i like hildon more .. and i would really just rather try to figure out how to replace the wm in maemo4 |
| 05:19.53 | MaceN810 | than to try to use the mer base since .. the hardware works in maemo ;) |
| 05:20.08 | zakkm | can run xfce, fvwm, gnome and such in mer |
| 05:20.11 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:20.20 | zakkm | simple xinitrc changing i think |
| 05:20.41 | MaceN810 | bbl |
| 05:20.42 | MaceN810 | waiting on something |
| 05:20.42 | MaceN810 | blah |
| 05:20.52 | MaceN810 | waiting sucks. i want to go home |
| 05:27.22 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: wtf do you mean by "the hardware works" anyway? :P |
| 05:27.53 | Stskeeps | wifi works, bluetooth works, GPS works (with hacks), sound works, battery monitoring works |
| 05:28.30 | MaceN810 | oh im´sure. |
| 05:28.32 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 05:28.51 | MaceN810 | but why not just figure out a way to run that stuff in maemo? |
| 05:28.52 | MaceN810 | where the hardware works |
| 05:29.08 | MaceN810 | i remember being able to run kde 3.5 that pb built |
| 05:29.08 | MaceN810 | worked great |
| 05:29.15 | gogol | i didn't know sound worked under mer. |
| 05:29.20 | zakkm | that was a chroot... |
| 05:29.24 | MaceN810 | kind of sucked for screen real estate.. |
| 05:29.27 | MaceN810 | but worked nonetheless |
| 05:29.28 | zakkm | pb's kde3.5 was a chroot |
| 05:29.40 | zakkm | it wasnt maemo |
| 05:29.48 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: mer's goal isn't the UI, and we'd be beating a dead horse basing anything on top of Diablo. |
| 05:29.48 | MaceN810 | he even built a shitload of kde apps and included it |
| 05:30.01 | MaceN810 | so if that is possible then anything is heh |
| 05:30.19 | zakkm | macen810: he didnt build anything. |
| 05:30.29 | MaceN810 | either way. i dont like the idea of having to use another system just to build and pkg |
| 05:30.32 | zakkm | it was "debian" running inside maemo in a chroot image |
| 05:30.44 | zakkm | it wasnt actually maemo at all , just maemo starting the chroot |
| 05:30.49 | MaceN810 | and i simply cant grasp why i cant just do it on the tablet in maemo |
| 05:31.04 | MaceN810 | when all the tools to do so are just sitting there waiting :) |
| 05:31.14 | Stskeeps | because you don't know enough about this area, really |
| 05:31.15 | MaceN810 | bbl |
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| 05:35.52 | MaceN810 | zakkm, yah but i bet it is possible to run it without the chroot by just putting the proper tools into maemo itself |
| 05:36.02 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps, dont´get so defensive :) |
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| 05:36.13 | MaceN810 | adhoc doesnt work |
| 05:36.13 | MaceN810 | hides |
| 05:36.25 | zakkm | diablo sucks. |
| 05:36.27 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: adhoc works fine probably when not using networkmanager. |
| 05:36.34 | zakkm | it works yes cause its official |
| 05:36.39 | zakkm | but to base things off it , nah |
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| 05:37.19 | MaceN810 | zakkm, a little work might do it justice ;) |
| 05:37.31 | zakkm | diablo is dead too. |
| 05:37.33 | MaceN810 | ill see. you can say i told you so later |
| 05:37.39 | Stskeeps | and MaceN810 just volunteered for taking over the Diablo community SSU |
| 05:37.44 | Stskeeps | we'll see how he handles that :) |
| 05:37.45 | johnx | can I say it too? :D |
| 05:38.00 | zakkm | community SSU? |
| 05:38.04 | zakkm | is that what happening? |
| 05:38.22 | Stskeeps | just takes someone to take up the torch and get it implemented |
| 05:38.36 | zakkm | ahhh i want dragonplayer to work |
| 05:38.47 | zakkm | anyone know terminal command for it? |
| 05:38.53 | zakkm | oh nevermind its dragon |
| 05:39.57 | zakkm | mmap failed for "/var/tmp/kdecache-user/kpc/kde-icon-cache.index" |
| 05:40.19 | Stskeeps | ls -l /var | grep tmp |
| 05:41.13 | zakkm | drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 0 2009-08-11 22:35 tmp |
| 05:41.19 | Stskeeps | k |
| 05:41.59 | zakkm | same error trying from root :( |
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| 05:42.34 | zakkm | ohh its kde related |
| 05:43.05 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps, why? |
| 05:43.09 | MaceN810 | fuck the community |
| 05:43.10 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 05:43.24 | MaceN810 | if i can get it working then i can show people how to do it with a wordpress blog |
| 05:43.41 | zakkm | maemo is allcommunity. |
| 05:44.05 | MaceN810 | zakkm, i know. i was joking |
| 05:44.34 | MaceN810 | but i guess i just dont understand it to tell you the truth. if you think of maemo as a hardware layer debian |
| 05:44.47 | zakkm | how is it i cant install anything kde? isnt ubuntu repository in mer? |
| 05:44.49 | MaceN810 | you should be able to add the proper tools to it and update stuff from the debian repos |
| 05:44.53 | Stskeeps | maemo isn't a hardware layer and what's underneath is hardly debian |
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| 05:45.00 | MaceN810 | to keep it up to date |
| 05:45.00 | Stskeeps | zakkm: qt for maemo probably |
| 05:45.18 | zakkm | its like amarok-engine-xine .. doesnt exist |
| 05:45.20 | zakkm | or libgpod3 |
| 05:45.27 | zakkm | like normal ubuntu repo stuff. |
| 05:45.31 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps, i just look at android as an example when ithink of maemo |
| 05:45.33 | zakkm | qt4 was fine |
| 05:45.34 | johnx | MaceN810, not really. a distro only works if you're constantly making sure that all the applications work with the newest libraries |
| 05:45.39 | MaceN810 | maybe even osx heh |
| 05:45.44 | zakkm | osx pwns :) |
| 05:46.04 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: android is not a hardware layer either. what's underneath the UI is, sure, but rest is just apps and desktop like everything else |
| 05:46.16 | MaceN810 | johnx, and why wouldnt this be possible oonce you have a good working base? |
| 05:46.25 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps, the linux stuff is |
| 05:46.42 | Stskeeps | android's hardly a typical gnu userland :P |
| 05:46.42 | MaceN810 | linux seems to only control running the java intepreter and hardware |
| 05:46.59 | MaceN810 | other than that.. no typical user would even realize they were running a linux kernel or system on their phone |
| 05:47.13 | MaceN810 | just like a lot of osx users have no idea what a mach kernel is |
| 05:47.24 | zakkm | i do! :) |
| 05:47.26 | johnx | MaceN810, because parts of maemo are closed source... |
| 05:47.29 | zakkm | (is running OSX right now) |
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| 05:47.45 | MaceN810 | johnx, i know |
| 05:47.57 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps explained that |
| 05:47.58 | Stskeeps | anyway, i'm wasting too much time discussing this crap instead of actually doing something. good luck with molesting your maemo installation and don't come crying when it blows up in your face :) |
| 05:48.08 | Stskeeps | goes to work |
| 05:48.15 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps, wow that was mean :-P |
| 05:48.16 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 05:48.37 | MaceN810 | says the same about Stskeeps upcoming marriage haha |
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| 05:49.09 | MaceN810 | :P) |
| 05:49.11 | zakkm | Stskeeps is getting married? |
| 05:49.22 | johnx | MaceN810, at one point a lot of people were saying exactly what you were saying: "why not just port projectfoo to maemo?" |
| 05:49.34 | MaceN810 | johnx, but yeah. i understand about the closed src |
| 05:49.34 | MaceN810 | Stskeeps said it was around 20% |
| 05:49.42 | zakkm | johnx: nice name :P projectfoo |
| 05:49.46 | MaceN810 | so why not just use maemo with the closed src stuff to control the hardware ? |
| 05:50.03 | MaceN810 | i mean there are plenty of people who used closed ati drivers |
| 05:50.12 | MaceN810 | in debian .. and ubuntu |
| 05:50.33 | johnx | MaceN810, because the ati drivers are specifically designed to fit into an open debian distro |
| 05:51.03 | zakkm | ati wasnt totally closed too |
| 05:51.08 | zakkm | and its just a driver, and it worked |
| 05:51.14 | MaceN810 | reinventing the wheel just doesnt´seem practical when all the tools are in maemo.. but yeah. let me work on it more so i can agree with Stskeeps later about how bad of an idea it was haha |
| 05:51.15 | zakkm | its not a whole OS or anything |
| 05:51.24 | zakkm | also maemo is slow :P |
| 05:51.29 | zakkm | its too much work :P |
| 05:51.34 | zakkm | what if you want to change Xorg? or update it? |
| 05:51.35 | zakkm | you couldnt |
| 05:51.37 | johnx | basically what it comes down to is library version mismatches and fighting against scratchbox |
| 05:51.45 | zakkm | or kernel |
| 05:53.00 | johnx | MaceN810, at a concept level what you're saying makes some amount of sense |
| 05:53.05 | johnx | but when you actually dig into it you start to see how much work there is to do |
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| 05:53.47 | johnx | MaceN810, also a note: if you ever see me working on a project and it seems like I'm ignoring a simpler/easier alternative, realize that's probably not the case :P |
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| 06:29.52 | MaceN810 | <johnx> basically what it comes down to is library version mismatches and fighting against scratchbox |
| 06:29.52 | MaceN810 | <zakkm> or kernel |
| 06:30.12 | johnx | why yes, I do recall writing that :) |
| 06:30.23 | MaceN810 | the lib mismatches i see |
| 06:30.30 | MaceN810 | but the kernel... |
| 06:30.53 | MaceN810 | the kernel and modules for the n810 shouldnt need much more |
| 06:30.59 | zakkm | lol im just saying, if you base it off maemo, it will give you a screwup point |
| 06:31.15 | MaceN810 | sorry |
| 06:31.18 | MaceN810 | was busy heh |
| 06:31.20 | zakkm | its 2;31am here, im tired. |
| 06:31.24 | johnx | gotta keep the maemo kernel unless you're a serious kernel hacker though |
| 06:31.44 | MaceN810 | johnx i know, but why change it? |
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| 06:31.53 | zakkm | im just saying if you base off maemo it may work now just fine... but overtime your run into more and more problems |
| 06:31.58 | zakkm | that in the end its just easier to do like mer |
| 06:32.00 | MaceN810 | if you just need it for a hardware layer? |
| 06:32.08 | MaceN810 | and a few other layers too |
| 06:32.11 | zakkm | speed, support? |
| 06:32.16 | zakkm | drivers? |
| 06:32.24 | zakkm | xomap and such relies on kernel modules doesnt it? |
| 06:32.43 | zakkm | omg johnx: this is uber slow but works perfectly |
| 06:32.55 | MaceN810 | zakkm, fight with the 20% that is closed? |
| 06:33.00 | johnx | ahaha |
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| 06:33.05 | johnx | I wonder what slows it down so much |
| 06:33.15 | MaceN810 | mario kart? |
| 06:33.22 | zakkm | all the services probaly go into virtual memory. |
| 06:33.31 | zakkm | cause it has to start kde4 too mostly |
| 06:33.33 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 06:33.37 | zakkm | along with the already hildon-desktop and all |
| 06:33.47 | zakkm | pushing in virtual memory, my idea anyways |
| 06:34.28 | MaceN810 | well. have to work on this stuff some more. |
| 06:34.43 | MaceN810 | macer vs the world |
| 06:34.44 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 06:35.45 | zakkm | johnx: did you find out why it failed? |
| 06:36.01 | zakkm | lol now kmail wont open:P |
| 06:37.05 | johnx | the reason to update the kernel is to have a newer kernel with better performance, newer drivers |
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| 06:38.10 | zakkm | johnx: its way too slow to be usable lol, |
| 06:38.24 | johnx | bummer :/ |
| 06:38.28 | johnx | thanks for testing |
| 06:38.55 | zakkm | well i dont know |
| 06:39.00 | zakkm | im running in easy-mer too |
| 06:39.09 | johnx | aaah |
| 06:39.09 | zakkm | if that would affect it alot |
| 06:39.14 | johnx | well that's a little different :) |
| 06:39.21 | zakkm | is it? |
| 06:39.39 | zakkm | ram wise perhaps, but not so much harddrive speed + cpu ? |
| 06:40.12 | johnx | I'd bet RAM is the limiting factor here |
| 06:40.13 | zakkm | i need thumb keyboard :) |
| 06:40.17 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:40.23 | zakkm | i gotta say it is nice though |
| 06:40.27 | zakkm | fits screen and all fine |
| 06:40.37 | zakkm | setting up kmail :D |
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| 06:41.46 | zakkm | johnx: looking at processes and kmail and contact are 23mb / 22mb ram each :P |
| 06:42.02 | Stskeeps | once we have maemo-launcher for qt it should help :P |
| 06:42.15 | johnx | and mer vs easy mer :) |
| 06:42.22 | zakkm | is that for preloading |
| 06:42.28 | zakkm | i need thumb keyboard :P you know that :) |
| 06:42.38 | zakkm | thumb keyboard comes to mer .. no more easymer |
| 06:43.22 | MaceN810 | well |
| 06:43.33 | MaceN810 | that was odd |
| 06:43.54 | zakkm | ? |
| 06:44.51 | MaceN810 | i hope tear is still going well |
| 06:44.55 | MaceN810 | that is an awesome browser |
| 06:45.17 | zakkm | still alive isnt i? |
| 06:45.19 | zakkm | at 0.3.5 |
| 06:45.28 | MaceN810 | im sure |
| 06:45.44 | zakkm | even in mer as default i believe |
| 06:46.01 | zakkm | johnx: anything else you think would be cool to try? |
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| 06:51.58 | MaceN810 | damn |
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| 06:52.23 | MaceN810 | forgot to put the qole repo on the flash |
| 06:52.32 | zakkm | lol |
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| 06:53.32 | zakkm | MaceN810: qole has newest tear :P |
| 06:53.51 | MaceN810 | iyah |
| 06:54.11 | MaceN810 | i reflashed the n810 a while back to start from scratch |
| 06:55.15 | MaceN810 | didnt realize there was a tear bookmarks pkg |
| 06:55.25 | MaceN810 | is there a pw one? |
| 06:56.04 | zakkm | pw one? |
| 06:56.11 | zakkm | just tear and tear bookmarks |
| 06:56.22 | zakkm | tear bookmarks has the thing for top left of maemo .. to replace microb's one |
| 06:56.43 | zakkm | so you can use top left.. and it will launch tear.. as opposed to having to goto apps - internet - tear |
| 06:57.11 | zakkm | heh i love xcompmgr in mer :D |
| 07:02.29 | Stskeeps | well, it seems like i'll be presenting on the Friday on Maemo Summit :) (see http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule#Friday_9 ) |
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| 07:03.24 | zakkm | nice |
| 07:03.29 | zakkm | going to bed guys, night night |
| 07:04.27 | MaceN810 | zakkm, tear doesnt store passwords tho does it? |
| 07:05.26 | MaceN810 | damn i love arm battery life |
| 07:05.39 | MaceN810 | wonder if i can get an augmented battery |
| 07:05.42 | MaceN810 | :) |
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| 07:08.19 | MaceN810 | zakkm, where is the option to replace the microb icon? |
| 07:10.02 | johnx | settings -> control panel -> panels |
| 07:13.57 | MaceN810 | oh |
| 07:14.04 | MaceN810 | it is just a panel |
| 07:14.04 | MaceN810 | neet |
| 07:16.14 | MaceN810 | yeah |
| 07:16.25 | MaceN810 | but it doesnt seem to integrate with tear |
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| 07:16.46 | johnx | hmm? |
| 07:16.55 | MaceN810 | adding a bookmark in tear |
| 07:17.05 | MaceN810 | doesnt seem to add it to the bookmark icin |
| 07:17.08 | MaceN810 | icon |
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| 07:17.26 | johnx | works here |
| 07:17.50 | MaceN810 | oh |
| 07:17.58 | MaceN810 | odd, it just worked |
| 07:18.04 | MaceN810 | let me try again |
| 07:18.19 | johnx | it might not sync-up instantly |
| 07:18.27 | johnx | I think they're both pulling from the same database |
| 07:18.44 | MaceN810 | yah |
| 07:18.55 | MaceN810 | it just started working... odd... but awesome heh |
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| 07:28.28 | MaceN810 | how do i add a bookmark folder? |
| 07:28.50 | eichi_PDA | hello, i have a big problem with my n 800. in the left area of the screen, i have to press on the s letter to get an a and an the r to get an e |
| 07:29.33 | timeless_mbp | ouch |
| 07:30.25 | ukki | eichi_PDA: tried to recalibrate the screen? |
| 07:30.46 | MaceN810 | oh. guess no folder support yet |
| 07:30.56 | MaceN810 | and it uses python heh |
| 07:31.24 | Stskeeps | eichi_PDA: probably a dustcorn or something stuck on the edge of the screen |
| 07:32.38 | eichi_PDA | oh lol yea cleaning the displaay and recalibrate worked |
| 07:33.15 | eichi_PDA | theree was a hair unter the transparency |
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| 07:35.38 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 07:35.47 | MaceN810 | says you can use folders |
| 07:35.47 | MaceN810 | wtf |
| 07:36.25 | qwerty12_N810 | The panel has bookmark support; Tear, itself, does not |
| 07:36.45 | qwerty12_N810 | s/bookmark/folder/ |
| 07:37.11 | woglinde | hi |
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| 07:37.45 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: cute |
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| 07:48.52 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:49.04 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
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| 07:49.50 | Stskeeps | jaffa, will be doing a talk on mer (suggested by quim & peter) in the expert streams friday |
| 07:49.54 | MaceN810 | blah |
| 07:50.03 | Stskeeps | on maemo summit |
| 07:50.12 | MaceN810 | heh. whatever. going to work on cups abiword some more |
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| 07:51.33 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 07:52.16 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 07:52.59 | MaceN810 | # fribidi --version |
| 07:53.22 | MaceN810 | fribidi 0.10.9 |
| 07:54.07 | MaceN810 | No package 'fribidi' found |
| 07:55.11 | woglinde | macer jupps |
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| 07:55.21 | MaceN810 | weird |
| 07:55.25 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: cool |
| 07:55.38 | Woolly | MaceN810: you still hackin away?! do you not sleep? :P |
| 07:56.16 | qwerty12_N810 | Sleepless nights is common when setting up on-device compiling... |
| 07:56.32 | Woolly | haha |
| 07:56.43 | Stskeeps | and trauma the rest of your life |
| 07:57.00 | LinuxCode | and premature death |
| 07:57.37 | MaceN810 | haha |
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| 07:57.47 | MaceN810 | sleep is a crutch |
| 07:57.56 | MaceN810 | im on a job site |
| 07:58.03 | MaceN810 | someone broke something |
| 07:58.12 | MaceN810 | have to wait around |
| 07:58.28 | MaceN810 | i usually work at night anyways |
| 07:58.45 | MaceN810 | less traffic and get to spend the day with my son |
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| 08:00.57 | MaceN810 | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~ acer/Me_and_Littleman/ |
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| 08:01.25 | MaceN810 | that is like a yr old pic now tho. he is a lot bigger heh |
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| 08:01.47 | Woolly | links broke :( |
| 08:02.51 | MaceN810 | ~macer |
| 08:03.10 | MaceN810 | not acer... frigging cut paste |
| 08:03.30 | MaceN810 | is there like a kb shortcut for this? |
| 08:03.58 | qwerty12_N810 | Ctrl+V? =) |
| 08:04.33 | MaceN810 | ¥ |
| 08:04.41 | MaceN810 | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~ acer/Me_and_Littleman/ |
| 08:04.51 | MaceN810 | wtf |
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| 08:05.42 | MaceN810 | http://lasziv.reprehensible.net/~macer/Me_and_Littleman/ |
| 08:06.00 | MaceN810 | there it is.. manual ftw |
| 08:06.09 | pupnik_ | ahh macer not acert |
| 08:06.10 | MaceN810 | xchat pasting seems broken |
| 08:06.22 | Woolly | hah cool |
| 08:06.24 | MaceN810 | yah |
| 08:06.34 | pupnik_ | hehe @ shhh! sw |
| 08:06.35 | MaceN810 | bbl |
| 08:07.10 | pupnik_ | good success with your job |
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| 08:38.25 | tomaterr | has any1 gotten httrack working on their n810? |
| 08:38.45 | tomaterr | I can't seem to make it work |
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| 09:11.45 | wazd | hello everybody |
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| 09:13.31 | RST38h | hello wazd |
| 09:13.37 | wazd | t.m.o is under DDoS again? :) |
| 09:14.11 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 09:18.46 | RST38h | wazd: They angered the Symbian Gods! =) |
| 09:19.00 | RST38h | Nordic Symbian Gods |
| 09:22.45 | MaceN810 | haha |
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| 09:26.58 | MaceN810 | Setting up libglib2.0-dev (2.12.12-1osso13) ... |
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| 09:29.41 | MaceN810 | No package 'fribidi' found |
| 09:29.55 | MaceN810 | i dont understand why it isnt finding the dep |
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| 09:50.07 | xnt14 | morning everyone ;) |
| 09:50.45 | slonopotamus | can anyone explain me how 'PulseAudio will help "clearing up" sound area from obstacles to open development'? |
| 09:50.48 | xnt14 | last night, a powersurge killed my switch |
| 09:51.27 | slonopotamus | quote from Quim Gil, bug 1584 |
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| 10:00.02 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: you never had to deal with osso-multimediad and other evil things |
| 10:00.15 | Stskeeps | and trust me, pulseaudio is a magnificent open replacement compared to that |
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| 10:07.43 | wazd | "You last visited: 03-29-2006 at 07:27 AM" - ah, youth |
| 10:07.54 | Stskeeps | youporn.com? |
| 10:07.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:08.07 | wazd | Stskeeps: nah, seriouszone.com :) |
| 10:08.19 | wazd | Join Date: May 2003 |
| 10:08.22 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why not just use gstreamer/phonon/alsa directly? |
| 10:08.36 | wazd | I was pretty big fan of this game :) |
| 10:08.52 | alterego | I think I might ln fakeroot sudo |
| 10:08.57 | alterego | Because I'm just too used to that ^_^ |
| 10:09.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: gstreamer and alsa is not in same league |
| 10:09.56 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: that bug report is interesting |
| 10:09.58 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i know. ok, alsa |
| 10:10.24 | wazd | damn, I was talking with foreign communities since 2003 :) |
| 10:10.37 | Stskeeps | was talking since '97 |
| 10:10.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:10.45 | slonopotamus | all those pulseaudio/esd... i don't understand what value they add |
| 10:10.57 | wazd | Stskeeps: I was talking since 88 :D |
| 10:11.16 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i enjoyed being able to switch my audio output stream to my media center |
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| 10:15.41 | RST38h | Youngsters, hehe |
| 10:16.09 | RST38h | has been trolling since 93 |
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| 10:17.54 | RST38h | Sts: BTW, is there anything new known about RX-71, based on the latest SDK sources? |
| 10:18.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: not really |
| 10:18.03 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: I'm trying to promote solarwolf, but it doesn't seem to do anything |
| 10:18.34 | wazd | http://forums.seriouszone.com/showpost.php?p=550810&postcount=1681 <- my post! :D |
| 10:19.07 | X-Fade | mikkov_: You'd better wait until I can finally promote packages. |
| 10:19.28 | X-Fade | mikkov_: It is calculating reverse dependencies for python etc, that tree is huge ;) |
| 10:19.45 | RST38h | oh, vegetation in quake! |
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| 10:34.19 | RST38h | BGR fanboys seem to like the Rover |
| 10:34.43 | RST38h | (aside from the usual "want capacitive!" bunch) |
| 10:35.21 | Stskeeps | i think the two touch may be useful |
| 10:35.22 | aol | heh lets hope RX-71 is touch only with capacitive :) |
| 10:35.45 | RST38h | does not mind single touch resistive |
| 10:36.00 | RST38h | does mind the lack of a proper painting app though |
| 10:36.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: fremante ui uses two-touch based on resistive |
| 10:36.17 | Stskeeps | like lcuk's demo |
| 10:36.29 | RST38h | In how many places? And in what context? |
| 10:36.41 | aol | two-touch?? really ... nice |
| 10:36.51 | RST38h | I mean, the only thing that comes to mind is zooming, and I can really do zooming without two touch |
| 10:37.18 | aol | multitouch is great for games and soft keyboards |
| 10:37.33 | aol | zooming etc extra gestures are useless imho |
| 10:37.40 | aol | gimmick |
| 10:38.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it says so in HIG somewhere |
| 10:38.04 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: why not write a proper painting app? |
| 10:38.10 | timeless_mbp | you know that we wouldn't get it right if we tried |
| 10:38.14 | timeless_mbp | we've talked about it |
| 10:38.22 | timeless_mbp | i suggested that someone should port gimp shop |
| 10:38.35 | timeless_mbp | although porting Tux Paint might be easier |
| 10:38.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: fremantle xournal might be useful at least |
| 10:39.24 | RST38h | Sts: I am thinking more in terms of MyPaint, but written in C/C++, with proper UI |
| 10:39.30 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 10:39.36 | RST38h | Sts: Yea, Xournal looks better and better |
| 10:40.29 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:H22-Modest-Accounts-view.png |
| 10:40.31 | Stskeeps | interesting |
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| 10:41.35 | RST38h | Sts: Useless until it is made to properly check mail in BOTH IMAP and POP3 accounts, on ANY connection |
| 10:41.47 | Stskeeps | RST38h: nono, i don't care about Modest |
| 10:41.49 | Stskeeps | look at the bar |
| 10:41.55 | RST38h | ah thaat ;) |
| 10:42.30 | Stskeeps | the unit must definately have a battery! |
| 10:42.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:42.31 | RST38h | Sts: Well, I see that they combined batter, volume, and presense in a single icon |
| 10:42.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, it's the status area, it's smaller icons |
| 10:42.42 | RST38h | sorry, not volume, wifi |
| 10:42.45 | Stskeeps | and not directly clickable afaik |
| 10:43.10 | Stskeeps | either way that interface looks nice |
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| 10:43.25 | RST38h | you mean each of these tiny icons is created separately? |
| 10:43.28 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:43.30 | RST38h | It is not a single app? |
| 10:43.34 | Stskeeps | AFAIK |
| 10:43.55 | RST38h | Hmm...Probably makes sense under certain conditions but still sounds kludgey |
| 10:44.10 | Stskeeps | you click it and status area appears which then can be used |
| 10:44.11 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 10:44.13 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: seen how easily hildon-desktop crashes? :) |
| 10:44.18 | wazd | Stskeeps: icons are not 18x18? :) |
| 10:44.24 | Stskeeps | wazd: that one i'm wondering a bit about too |
| 10:44.33 | Stskeeps | wazd: some of them are 18x18 though? :P |
| 10:44.33 | RST38h | qwerty: More than once |
| 10:45.01 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, that's not new in maemo world :D |
| 10:45.07 | RST38h | Sts: They may have fixed height to fill the whole bar but variable width |
| 10:45.12 | javispedro | tonight my tablet was dead in the morning again. had been a few months since it last happened.... :( |
| 10:45.20 | wazd | also, gradients are fine |
| 10:45.22 | RST38h | BTW, the tiny icons thing is present in Symbian/S60 AFAIK |
| 10:46.04 | RST38h | Sts: Another weird thing: why is the status area on the left? |
| 10:46.16 | wazd | connectivity icon is awful, I guess it's temporary :) |
| 10:46.17 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no clue |
| 10:46.30 | javispedro | it sucks. i am home due to that. I'll end up buying a second battery just for that.. |
| 10:46.34 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 10:46.38 | Stskeeps | anyone had that 'Harmattan' screenshot? |
| 10:46.40 | RST38h | Sts: I mean, in terms of UI it does not make much difference, left or right. But if it is on the left, the app title loses fixed placement and starts shifting to the right |
| 10:46.44 | qwerty12_N810 | They're being sympathetic to the lefties with this release ;) |
| 10:46.50 | RST38h | Sts: the huge fake one? |
| 10:46.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:47.07 | wazd | RST38h: well, it goes like this "let's make something different! Statusbar on the left, awesome!" |
| 10:47.22 | RST38h | is a lefty, and for the record, he does not care where status area is =) |
| 10:47.25 | Stskeeps | RST38h: right, yeah, it does look fake |
| 10:47.42 | RST38h | Sts: But eyecandyish =) |
| 10:47.42 | Stskeeps | some parts are correct though |
| 10:55.31 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i keep playing with fakeymultitouch to allow grid resizing and selection of views within the list |
| 10:56.56 | lcuk | but i still cant get it "right" i know what i want it to do lol |
| 10:58.39 | VDVsx | Anyone with a maemo5 sbox that can help me test/confirm a issue ? :) |
| 10:58.54 | Stskeeps | wazd: i'll need some help with graphics up to summit, to make a convincing Mer presentation for the first day :P |
| 10:59.30 | javispedro | VDVsx, if it's short, shoot |
| 11:00.27 | wazd | Stskeeps: oh, sure :) |
| 11:00.45 | VDVsx | javispedro, yes, is related to one of the gsoc projects, thanks :) |
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| 11:00.52 | Stskeeps | wazd: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule#Friday_9 kinda explains why i need it :) |
| 11:01.12 | VDVsx | javispedro, check you this project: https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=972 |
| 11:01.23 | VDVsx | you will need python2.5 in the sbox |
| 11:01.36 | VDVsx | python2.5-sdk will install everthing |
| 11:01.36 | javispedro | armel or x86? |
| 11:01.40 | VDVsx | x86 |
| 11:01.56 | VDVsx | you need to start hildon-desktop |
| 11:02.27 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i might have to do minor changes to the description of my talk saturday as i'll pull in material from it, for the one the day before |
| 11:03.20 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, feel free to edit the info in the wiki :) |
| 11:03.23 | Stskeeps | k |
| 11:03.32 | javispedro | E: Couldn't find package python2.5-sdk -- it's on extras-devel? |
| 11:04.26 | VDVsx | javispedro, sorry -> python-sdk |
| 11:04.46 | VDVsx | python2.5-sdk in diablo :P |
| 11:05.17 | javispedro | can't find it either |
| 11:05.52 | VDVsx | javispedro, probably you don't have extras-devel enabled ? |
| 11:06.11 | VDVsx | mine shows: python-sdk - Developer-oriented versions of python runtime environment packages. |
| 11:06.30 | javispedro | ah, sorry, was looking at the repo pool but it lists source package names instead |
| 11:06.39 | alterego | I think this time I'm going to create an archive of my scratchbox targets so I don't have to keep regenerating them everytime I want to test my packaging. Downloading maemo-sdk-dev takes fucking ages for me. |
| 11:09.23 | javispedro | VDVsx, ok, trunk checked out and python-sdk installled |
| 11:09.54 | VDVsx | javispedro, go to src and the execute barcamera.py |
| 11:10.08 | VDVsx | run-standalone python2.5 barcamera.py |
| 11:10.35 | VDVsx | init hildon-desktop first :) |
| 11:10.39 | javispedro | no pygst |
| 11:10.52 | VDVsx | bahh |
| 11:11.01 | javispedro | python-gst0.10 , I guess |
| 11:11.09 | VDVsx | yes |
| 11:11.30 | javispedro | no gpsbt..................... damn |
| 11:11.40 | Stskeeps | fremantle has no gpsbt, it uses something else |
| 11:11.47 | VDVsx | lol, please comment this line: import locationfinder |
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| 11:11.53 | alterego | liblocation |
| 11:11.56 | VDVsx | in barcamera.py |
| 11:12.26 | javispedro | zbar... |
| 11:13.00 | VDVsx | javispedro, humm, 1 min please |
| 11:13.34 | lardman | pupnik_: sorry for missing your question the other day |
| 11:14.01 | lardman | pupnik_: and no but thanks as my wife will be coming and we were going to stay in a hotel |
| 11:14.06 | lardman | pupnik_: thanks though :) |
| 11:14.12 | pupnik_ | ohhh |
| 11:14.46 | lardman | morning everyone too :) |
| 11:15.06 | ukki | morning |
| 11:15.15 | lcuk | waves |
| 11:15.36 | javispedro | idly plays around the fremantle interface |
| 11:15.51 | VDVsx | javispedro, please comment line 15, 209, 214, sorry forget about zbar and it takes some time to install :) |
| 11:16.09 | VDVsx | morning lardman :) |
| 11:16.14 | lardman | hi VDVsx |
| 11:16.22 | javispedro | VDVsx, seen line 210? |
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| 11:16.41 | lardman | hacking on barcodes? |
| 11:16.42 | lcuk | whatever you do, don't touch line 210 |
| 11:16.42 | javispedro | i'm commenting that line too |
| 11:17.04 | VDVsx | lardman, some problems with Amit work |
| 11:17.05 | javispedro | unless python magically allows calling methods on null objects |
| 11:17.15 | VDVsx | javispedro, eheh |
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| 11:17.39 | lardman | VDVsx: is the project finished now? |
| 11:17.54 | javispedro | ok, it boots, and I see what seems to be analog noise |
| 11:18.04 | VDVsx | lardman, have UI issues here, and he claims that it works fine for him |
| 11:18.08 | VDVsx | lardman, no |
| 11:18.19 | lardman | ah ok |
| 11:18.23 | lcuk | VDVsx, what hardware is he testing on |
| 11:18.28 | lardman | I might have some time this evening, can have a look see |
| 11:18.32 | lcuk | and is it being run in emulated |
| 11:18.34 | lardman | is trunk uptodate? |
| 11:18.36 | lcuk | or native |
| 11:18.40 | VDVsx | lcuk, sbox |
| 11:18.45 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: line 210!! How can it be finished :P |
| 11:18.46 | lardman | ah that post to maemo-devel... |
| 11:18.48 | VDVsx | lardman, yes |
| 11:18.52 | lcuk | what ui issues are you having |
| 11:18.58 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: the efficiency of python ;) |
| 11:19.01 | VDVsx | hildon issues |
| 11:19.08 | VDVsx | javispedro, any luck ? |
| 11:19.21 | lcuk | VDVsx, install things, or interactions in hildon itself |
| 11:19.25 | javispedro | yes, i'm on the main dialog |
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| 11:19.29 | javispedro | what you want? |
| 11:19.32 | lcuk | ie is it possible most dev/testing was done just natively |
| 11:19.55 | VDVsx | javispedro, type "simpsons" and then accept, please |
| 11:19.56 | lardman | mostly done in scratchbox targeting x86 |
| 11:20.27 | VDVsx | lcuk, problems with hildon treviews :) |
| 11:20.28 | javispedro | done |
| 11:20.30 | lcuk | furry muff |
| 11:20.48 | lardman | I also hate treeviews |
| 11:20.53 | VDVsx | javispedro, click in one of the item and them get reviews |
| 11:21.18 | VDVsx | javispedro, send the the console output and you are done :) |
| 11:21.42 | javispedro | there's a TypeError in there |
| 11:21.53 | javispedro | thank god the entire output was in gnome-terminal cache |
| 11:22.11 | VDVsx | javispedro, beta 2 ? |
| 11:22.16 | javispedro | yep |
| 11:22.20 | javispedro | mostly fresh as you can guess |
| 11:22.32 | wazd | VDVsx: I'm gonna finish main menu iconsnow :) |
| 11:22.40 | VDVsx | ok, same here, and the same issue :) |
| 11:22.48 | VDVsx | wazd, cool :) |
| 11:23.12 | javispedro | VDVsx, http://pastebin.com/m7c042379 |
| 11:23.35 | VDVsx | wazd, already made a Fremantle package with the mixed UI :P, waiting for feedback |
| 11:23.57 | VDVsx | javispedro, many thanks :) |
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| 11:24.16 | javispedro | never mind. looks like an interesting application. |
| 11:24.47 | wazd | VDVsx: yeah, saw that post |
| 11:24.54 | javispedro | hum... the album covers seem to be affected by the blue/red channels swapped bug |
| 11:25.06 | javispedro | that does not happen on the device, fwiw |
| 11:25.15 | Stskeeps | how do you know? ;) |
| 11:25.55 | lcuk | cos quim said as much in tmo i believe |
| 11:26.06 | javispedro | this prototype kickstand is much squiggy, i tell you ;) |
| 11:26.11 | lcuk | or someone did when the color swapping was mentioned |
| 11:26.37 | lcuk | javispedro, are you nokia employee then? |
| 11:26.55 | lcuk | or are you the guy selling a prototype from the fareast? lol |
| 11:26.59 | lcuk | (or the buyer o_O |
| 11:27.02 | VDVsx | javispedro, if that bug happen in the device, will be one of the major FAILS in history, lol |
| 11:27.30 | Stskeeps | or someone assuming the bug will be there |
| 11:27.31 | qwerty12_N810 | I thought that was the 770 with its WSOD ;) |
| 11:27.38 | javispedro | i'm the buyer. want my icbm address? :) |
| 11:27.46 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, true,lolol |
| 11:28.39 | lcuk | VDVsx, what would be worse is if people start working round the issue in their sdk and nokia have to put a cludge fix in hardware to follow the software mods ;) |
| 11:28.53 | javispedro | here it was confirmed https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 |
| 11:29.06 | VDVsx | lcuk, oh my |
| 11:29.15 | javispedro | the subject is now wrong since it does not happen only in sdl ... |
| 11:30.27 | VDVsx | happens everyhere in my sbox, just passing the mouse under the icons |
| 11:31.03 | javispedro | VDVsx, kill the compositor |
| 11:31.29 | javispedro | the bug must be in cairo or clutter |
| 11:31.45 | javispedro | (or xephyr) |
| 11:31.46 | Mek | I;m only having the color swapping bug in sratchbox, not in the device |
| 11:32.10 | VDVsx | javispedro, my bet too (compositor) |
| 11:32.14 | Woolly | lardman: ping |
| 11:32.22 | javispedro | well, gotta go. gbye |
| 11:32.26 | lardman | Woolly: pong |
| 11:32.35 | lcuk | is it going to be easier to ask people to put hands up who HASNT got a device? |
| 11:32.36 | Woolly | lardman: did you receive my FYI the other day? |
| 11:32.50 | lardman | Woolly: no I don't think so |
| 11:32.53 | lcuk | wants hardware |
| 11:33.01 | Woolly | lardman: did you try that zbar sample code? |
| 11:33.12 | lardman | no, been pretty busy |
| 11:33.25 | Woolly | lardman: the API has changed slightly with the move from zebra to zbar |
| 11:33.34 | lardman | yes, different import |
| 11:34.35 | Woolly | lardman: I tried it a few times, on a JPEG that I took with the camera, but I was repeatedly unsucessful |
| 11:35.10 | Woolly | lardman: at decoding the right barcode, I mean |
| 11:35.17 | lcuk | mek, hows your qt stuff comin along |
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| 11:35.59 | lardman | Woolly: I'll try to have a look at it this evening |
| 11:36.16 | lardman | Woolly: take a look at the code VDVsx is talking about, it decodes correctly using zbar afaik |
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| 11:36.36 | Woolly | lardman: I've used swig to create some python bindings for batoo |
| 11:36.45 | lardman | ah ok |
| 11:36.47 | Woolly | VDVsx: can you hit me a link? |
| 11:36.48 | lardman | does that work better then? |
| 11:38.07 | Woolly | lardman: it took me that long to compile the bindings that I didn't have time to test :D |
| 11:38.59 | lcuk | woolly, python bindings from a c library? |
| 11:39.16 | Woolly | lcuk: yeah |
| 11:39.22 | lcuk | :) nice |
| 11:39.35 | Woolly | lcuk: sorry not a library, just a file :D |
| 11:39.48 | Woolly | start simple :D |
| 11:40.02 | Woolly | I didn't have a scratchbox installation until last night, which was a pain |
| 11:42.40 | pupnik_ | the scratchbox vmware images are still broken |
| 11:42.44 | pupnik_ | that is inexcusable |
| 11:42.54 | pupnik_ | i call for flogging |
| 11:43.31 | lcuk | well since its open source, you are developer noticing bug, its your responsibility to fix it (and flog yourself lol) |
| 11:43.51 | pupnik_ | exactly the right answer lcuk |
| 11:43.58 | pupnik_ | :/ |
| 11:44.12 | lcuk | hahah |
| 11:44.31 | pupnik_ | i'm just below the threshold of ... preparing my own food |
| 11:45.25 | pupnik_ | ok what is mnost profitable use of time nao |
| 11:45.49 | lcuk | i suggest 5 minutes of ball scratching followed by making dinner (after washing hands) |
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| 11:46.18 | pupnik_ | good general advice |
| 11:46.21 | lardman | hmm, lowering the tone a bit too much at this time of day |
| 11:46.32 | lcuk | agreed |
| 11:46.34 | pupnik_ | in my case i need to arrange therapy for back. and i delayed that too long |
| 11:46.39 | lcuk | pupnik, dont mention making your own food again |
| 11:46.50 | pupnik_ | i've made great meals! |
| 11:47.23 | lcuk | uh huh :D |
| 11:47.27 | pupnik_ | turkish girlfriend who studied to be chef in thailand |
| 11:47.35 | pupnik_ | lived there and in khabul |
| 11:47.37 | pupnik_ | afghanistan |
| 11:47.45 | pupnik_ | taught me some stuff |
| 11:47.56 | lcuk | cool |
| 11:48.30 | RST38h | wow |
| 11:48.38 | lcuk | \o vanishing, bbiab |
| 11:49.02 | lardman | right, work to be done, see you all later |
| 11:49.07 | pupnik_ | cu lardman|afk |
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| 12:01.31 | mandara | omg, n810 is 117£ at expansys. So tempting... |
| 12:02.22 | VDVsx | Woolly, https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=972 (the UI has some problems atm) |
| 12:03.46 | Woolly | thanks VDVsx |
| 12:04.13 | wazd | I got a ing sound when someone mentions UI and problems in the same sentence :) |
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| 12:04.43 | VDVsx | Woolly, and for simple python bindings, you should take a look to cython |
| 12:04.46 | VDVsx | wazd, lol |
| 12:05.05 | VDVsx | this is code from one of the GSoC projects, not mine :P |
| 12:05.06 | Woolly | VDVsx: will do |
| 12:05.37 | VDVsx | Woolly, is much more simple IMO :) |
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| 12:15.43 | VDVsx | humm, don't think so: http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/08/11/nokia-ditching-symbian-for-maemo-german-ft-reports/ |
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| 12:17.25 | X-Fade | VDVsx: I'm sure that they have done some nice investigation into the issue. _not_ ;) |
| 12:18.17 | VDVsx | X-Fade, well, at least they refer the maemo summit :) |
| 12:18.40 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: how many people did you budget with would attend the summit? |
| 12:18.42 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Hmm indeed. |
| 12:18.55 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: 300-ish |
| 12:19.00 | VDVsx | yup |
| 12:19.06 | VDVsx | max 350, afaik |
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| 12:19.28 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: i personally wouldn't discount the rumours entirely |
| 12:19.28 | X-Fade | Otherwise we would have to switch to the location shows in wazd's banner ;) |
| 12:19.33 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: They're probably still mad over Bochum ;) |
| 12:20.02 | VDVsx | X-Fade, arena ? |
| 12:20.11 | X-Fade | That location could host a few thousand ;) |
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| 12:21.40 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, humm, Bochum, factory closed, isn't it ? |
| 12:21.50 | qwerty12_N810 | yep |
| 12:22.33 | X-Fade | Well, whatever happens, I don't think 'ditching' will be it. |
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| 12:23.39 | VDVsx | remembered the history, politics told people to throw away their nokia devices :P |
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| 12:34.28 | MaceN810 | i need to start from scratch |
| 12:34.30 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 12:35.11 | Stskeeps | that'll be a sweet beer. |
| 12:36.00 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 12:36.09 | MaceN810 | not because things are going bad |
| 12:36.31 | MaceN810 | but because i underestimated how much space i need |
| 12:36.34 | pupnik_ | doc|home: coming to amsterdam? |
| 12:36.41 | pupnik_ | want to have a chat? |
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| 12:37.40 | MaceN810 | my internal sd is going to run out of space |
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| 12:38.03 | MaceN810 | the openoffice build itself will run out soon |
| 12:38.15 | MaceN810 | blah... bbl. let me do this |
| 12:38.24 | pupnik_ | i met one of the openoffice guys at linuxtag |
| 12:38.36 | pupnik_ | are you having some success? |
| 12:38.40 | MaceN810 | let alone when i try to build kde4 on the tablet in maemo |
| 12:38.52 | pupnik_ | :/ |
| 12:39.02 | pupnik_ | 128MB is so 1997 |
| 12:39.15 | VDVsx | humm, more changes in Qt SW |
| 12:39.15 | slonopotamus | MaceN810, don't even try |
| 12:39.27 | MaceN810 | doing it on the internal 2G |
| 12:39.43 | slonopotamus | MaceN810, not enough ram to compile cpp |
| 12:39.55 | slonopotamus | MaceN810, _ram_ |
| 12:39.56 | MaceN810 | slonopotamus, heh |
| 12:40.09 | MaceN810 | even with the swap in maemo? |
| 12:40.24 | MaceN810 | thats 256 |
| 12:40.46 | Mek | as long as you don't compile qt-webkit it should be fin eI think... |
| 12:41.11 | slonopotamus | MaceN810, wd reboots when >~100mb swap used |
| 12:41.29 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: you do know that KDE4 packages already exist for Diablo, right? |
| 12:41.46 | ShadowJK | When swapping becomes so slow that the wd kicker doesn't run often enough :) |
| 12:42.00 | MaceN810 | qwerty12_N810, was using it as the tester |
| 12:42.11 | MaceN810 | for the building enviroment |
| 12:42.16 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 12:42.32 | slonopotamus | brb |
| 12:42.46 | MaceN810 | the sdk repo is awesome |
| 12:42.49 | qwerty12_N810 | It'll be enough to prove that you should install the SDK on a *computer* :P |
| 12:43.05 | MaceN810 | they have put a LOT of dev libs etc |
| 12:43.10 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
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| 12:43.38 | MaceN810 | qwerty12_N810, i am |
| 12:43.51 | MaceN810 | my n810 *is* a computer |
| 12:44.18 | slonopotamus_ | MaceN810, either use crosscompiler or qemu for kde (luke built it in qemu) |
| 12:44.26 | MaceN810 | i remember Stskeeps saying that at his mer thing on the video |
| 12:44.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Just with lower RAM right? :) |
| 12:44.49 | MaceN810 | and cpu speed ;) |
| 12:45.22 | MaceN810 | the whole proof of concept is that someone can treat an n810 as a computer |
| 12:46.00 | qwerty12_N810 | You seem to have a computer always-on (no, I'm not talking about the N810), so just install scratchbox on that and ssh in from the N810 and use something like sshfs to shift your files about |
| 12:46.33 | MaceN810 | what if there was a nuclear war and you only have your nokia tablet and need to dev something to stop the war? |
| 12:46.39 | MaceN810 | hehe |
| 12:47.06 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: you write a turing machine in busybox |
| 12:47.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:47.14 | qwerty12_N810 | I wouldn't place faith in my tablet then :) |
| 12:47.27 | MaceN810 | hahhaaha |
| 12:47.35 | Stskeeps | yeah, a gun would be immensely more useful |
| 12:47.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:48.03 | MaceN810 | qwerty12_N810, i will get this going |
| 12:48.14 | qwerty12_N810 | It could a plot for yet-another-cheesy-we're-all-gonna-die film |
| 12:48.18 | qwerty12_N810 | +be |
| 12:48.23 | MaceN810 | hahahaaha |
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| 12:48.40 | MaceN810 | wow |
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| 12:51.05 | Stskeeps | murrayc: any luck with getting the example keyboard to show yet? |
| 12:51.14 | Stskeeps | (i follow the svn repo so) |
| 12:51.16 | MaceN810 | qwerty12_N810, i have ocd when it comes to this |
| 12:51.21 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 12:51.24 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
| 12:51.29 | MaceN810 | i cant stop til it works |
| 12:51.38 | slonopotamus_ | btw. is there vkb working with qt? |
| 12:51.49 | Stskeeps | qt-maemo has HIM support afaik |
| 12:51.50 | MaceN810 | bbl |
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| 12:52.19 | pupnik_ | qwerty12_N810: how is nokia marketing connecting with the FOSS community to help us decide what are the things that are important? |
| 12:52.19 | slonopotamus_ | Stskeeps, patching again? :( |
| 12:52.37 | pupnik_ | or is nokia trying to create a 'surprise' effect from internal developments |
| 12:52.41 | pupnik_ | sorry for the vague question |
| 12:52.58 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: that question would be better asked to someone more active with community stuff, sorry :) |
| 12:53.35 | pupnik_ | i just feel so far away from the typical consumer of a cell phone |
| 12:53.42 | pupnik_ | never bought one myself |
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| 12:54.08 | zerojay | I only bought one for tethering. |
| 12:54.29 | zerojay | $80 for an N95. |
| 12:54.40 | pupnik_ | well the meta-description of a cell phone is "access to the information you want" |
| 12:54.41 | zerojay | Why not? |
| 12:54.49 | pupnik_ | $80?!?! |
| 12:54.52 | Stskeeps | zerojay: good job on the proof reading btw |
| 12:54.58 | timeless_mbp | proofing what? |
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| 12:55.46 | zerojay | I work for a game company and we did cell phone games. When we switched to console stuff, we sold off the used phones so i grabbed the n95. |
| 12:56.02 | pupnik_ | ah ok |
| 12:56.20 | zerojay | Timeless: hig, maemo 5 dev manual.. Other stuff. |
| 12:56.29 | zerojay | Thanks whomever said that. |
| 12:56.31 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me |
| 12:56.38 | timeless_mbp | i should look at the fremantle doc |
| 12:56.46 | zerojay | N810 doesn't show your name for some reason, lol |
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| 12:57.24 | zerojay | Working on mafw now. |
| 12:57.41 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: zerojay's a probable partner in crime in your mission to have better language in maemo ;) |
| 12:58.03 | zerojay | Yes, definitely. |
| 12:58.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Timeless and zerojay Vs. Finglish |
| 12:58.30 | pupnik_ | i am registrant #100 |
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| 12:58.34 | zerojay | Hah. |
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| 12:59.06 | pupnik_ | i suggest nokia reverse payment to airsoft shop gmbh butzbach |
| 12:59.23 | pupnik_ | now, publically, before the year is up |
| 12:59.32 | pupnik_ | oh maybe it is up |
| 13:00.22 | RST38h | wonders what Finglish looks like |
| 13:00.38 | Macer | RST38h: same as spanglish |
| 13:00.48 | zerojay | Better than Frenglish. |
| 13:00.52 | RST38h | Macer: Really? The languages are so much different |
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| 13:01.19 | pupnik_ | no comment doc|home ? |
| 13:01.44 | Macer | butchered english is always the same |
| 13:01.55 | Macer | i saw an italian and a chinese guy with horrible accents |
| 13:01.57 | RST38h | No, you can butcher it in different ways |
| 13:02.12 | Macer | speaking chinglish... and italianglish |
| 13:02.20 | Macer | understood each other |
| 13:02.22 | Macer | it was weird |
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| 13:02.39 | RST38h | Besides, I do not mean the pronounciation, mine isn't very good either |
| 13:02.40 | zerojay | Gotta love when indian guys who can barely speak the language telling me i don't know my own language. |
| 13:02.47 | RST38h | Just the grammar |
| 13:03.02 | zerojay | an are is needed in there somewhere. |
| 13:03.30 | RST38h | remembers a German-written AmigaOS Bible book that had 700+ pages written in Germanglish |
| 13:03.49 | RST38h | You could almost see them mentally capitalizing every noun =) |
| 13:03.51 | Macer | shit |
| 13:03.56 | Macer | going to have to take a ton of screen shots |
| 13:03.56 | Macer | blah |
| 13:04.00 | Macer | gets teh charger |
| 13:04.24 | zerojay | Most of the problem with the stuff on twiki is just that it often sounds awkward. |
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| 13:05.10 | RST38h | Meanwhile: Nintendo Patents Inflatable Horse Controller |
| 13:09.35 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I'm sorry for the other errors you saw, should now _really_ be fixed ;) |
| 13:11.02 | qwerty12_N810 | My fault, anyway, I didn't know Fremantle didn't have librsvg available :) |
| 13:11.22 | qwerty12_N810 | I guess I have a reason to install the SDK now... |
| 13:11.26 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: yeah, but those error running xxxx didn't help :) |
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| 13:13.02 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Shall I try to see if the diablo version builds? |
| 13:13.18 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: librsvg_2.18.2 |
| 13:13.49 | qwerty12_N810 | That'd save time. Thanks :) |
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| 13:14.32 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Building now. |
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| 13:21.33 | chx | is Jason Carter here? |
| 13:21.34 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/librsvg_2.18.2-1terje2/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 13:22.10 | zerojay | That's me. |
| 13:22.18 | zerojay | Scary. |
| 13:22.29 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: *grumble*, thanks for uploading anyway |
| 13:22.42 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I can try the lenny version.. |
| 13:22.49 | zerojay | What's up and how much do I owe you? lol |
| 13:22.53 | chx | zerojay: hi. |
| 13:22.57 | chx | zerojay: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4636 |
| 13:23.10 | VDVsx | zerojay, you got busted, you are the guy with the n900 proto :P |
| 13:23.22 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: if it wouldn't be any trouble, then, yes please |
| 13:23.32 | chx | zerojay: so how did you install this so that it works? |
| 13:23.40 | zerojay | Lol, i fucking wish! |
| 13:23.48 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
| 13:23.51 | zerojay | Chx: install rtcomm. |
| 13:25.07 | chx | zerojay: hmmm |
| 13:25.39 | zerojay | I have a very basic set of apps installed. More vanilla than most. |
| 13:25.47 | chx | you mean http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ this? |
| 13:26.04 | zerojay | It just works for me and i'm typing this from my n810. |
| 13:26.09 | zerojay | Yeah. |
| 13:28.54 | chx | and then? |
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| 13:29.09 | zerojay | And then reboot and use it. |
| 13:35.25 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Ok, more missing deps: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/librsvg_2.22.2-2lenny1/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt |
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| 13:37.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, fun. I'll get the SDK installed today and go through them :) |
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| 13:37.29 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I'll try the libgsf one and if that fails, I'll stop ;) |
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| 13:37.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Fair enough ;) |
| 13:38.21 | TheFatal | can any1 help me ?? |
| 13:38.41 | TheFatal | i have a problem whit user passwd |
| 13:38.50 | zerojay | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:39.08 | TheFatal | :S |
| 13:39.21 | zerojay | What's the issue? |
| 13:40.08 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Ok, stopping now: E: Couldn't find package libbonobo2-dev |
| 13:40.22 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: I'm guessing that is going to pull in the whole of gnome. |
| 13:40.54 | qwerty12_N810 | :\ |
| 13:41.13 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: So your best bet is using the 2.18 one from diabo. I think terje did some hacking there already. |
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| 13:43.51 | TheFatal | as root i type echo 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' >> /etc/sudoers |
| 13:44.01 | TheFatal | and now all actions needs passwd |
| 13:44.03 | Mek | wont libosso-gsf-1-dev be enough perhaps? |
| 13:44.04 | TheFatal | :S |
| 13:44.18 | Mek | (instead of libgsf-1-dev) |
| 13:44.36 | fiferboy | lbt: Ping? |
| 13:44.43 | X-Fade | Mek: Sounds plausible. |
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| 13:46.54 | Macer | well |
| 13:47.09 | Macer | just added another couple pages to the "BLOG" heh |
| 13:47.35 | chx | zerojay: among the accounts , now I see an IRC setup, that's better! how do i connect...? |
| 13:47.41 | Macer | need to start from scratch to log everythign i am doing because i really went off on a tagent trying to get it all working quickly haha |
| 13:47.47 | Macer | lost track of my progress |
| 13:48.05 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: The 2.18 version doesn't seem to use libgsf at all. |
| 13:48.12 | GAN800 | chx, you'll need the Collabora repo from gronmayer too. |
| 13:48.17 | zerojay | Chx create an account, type in a server. |
| 13:48.38 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: noted. Thanks for the help. |
| 13:48.41 | chx | zerojay: thats done |
| 13:49.12 | chx | zerojay: the screen i see says "add contact" "no contacts found" |
| 13:49.19 | zerojay | Then open contacts, choose open chatroom, select your irc account and the put #chatroom, hit enter. |
| 13:49.30 | lcuk | macer, link |
| 13:49.34 | zerojay | Add account not contact |
| 13:49.46 | talig1 | GTK question no. 10203052: Anyone here using Pidgin? |
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| 13:50.11 | chx | zerojay: the account is there. when i open the chat menu it's all greyed out. |
| 13:50.40 | chx | oh doh |
| 13:51.17 | zerojay | Got it? |
| 13:51.30 | chx | it says network error |
| 13:52.11 | GAN800 | chx, also: XChat is better. |
| 13:52.28 | zerojay | Xchat's terrible. |
| 13:52.52 | zerojay | Rather not use irc at all than use xchat, lol |
| 13:52.54 | chx | irc.freenode.net |
| 13:53.00 | zerojay | Yep |
| 13:53.12 | chx | from phone and from wifi both 'network error' |
| 13:53.35 | zerojay | No idea, works for me. |
| 13:54.29 | zerojay | Both wifi and cell which i'm on now. |
| 13:54.37 | chx | running host irc.freenode.net from terminal returns a bazillion of IPs :/ |
| 13:54.45 | chx | so the network connection is fine |
| 13:55.14 | zerojay | Maybe you have something installed or tweaked causing it. |
| 13:55.31 | zerojay | Rtcomm installed after flash... It's all good. |
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| 13:57.18 | GAN800 | zerojay, rtcomm is hell on a tablet compared to XChat. |
| 13:57.29 | GAN800 | Doesn't even have nick coloring. |
| 13:57.55 | zerojay | I turn that shit off right away, lol |
| 13:58.11 | GAN800 | I can't function without it. |
| 13:59.03 | zerojay | I've been on irc for 11 years or so. Met my wife on it. Never ever used nick coloring. Just annoys me. |
| 13:59.27 | zerojay | Like i cant be trusted to read and recognise a nick. |
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| 14:02.26 | Macer | lcuk: ? |
| 14:02.33 | Myrtti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.16 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-2-the-control-flash/ |
| 14:03.16 | Macer | working on that section now |
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| 14:10.43 | talig | Unbelievably enough, I'm writing some sort of a chatroom for the N810... Does anyone know if to list the people in the room the widget I should use is list/tree view? |
| 14:11.11 | talig | [in order for a person to be selectable, and therefore possible to send private messages] |
| 14:11.37 | mgedmin | why not? |
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| 14:12.32 | talig | brb |
| 14:15.10 | lcuk | Macer, link to your blog |
| 14:15.40 | alterego | That kind of depends on whether your contact list is heirarchical or not. |
| 14:16.56 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.19 | Macer | well. http://tech.rancorous.net |
| 14:19.00 | lopz | hola |
| 14:19.16 | Macer | hola tu |
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| 14:24.54 | talig1 | Sorry if anyone answered while I was gone... ideas? |
| 14:25.01 | chx | so which daemon serves chat in case i want to try restrating it |
| 14:25.30 | zerojay | There isn't, i don't think. |
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| 14:25.41 | chx | well surely there is |
| 14:25.53 | chx | i mean, you need to reboot to see the online marker in the status bar |
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| 14:27.23 | chx | see AIM connects |
| 14:28.35 | chx | MSN fails |
| 14:29.02 | zerojay | Works for me. |
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| 14:31.43 | chx | is there a system level log? |
| 14:31.48 | chx | so i can see mor ethan "network error"? |
| 14:31.55 | chx | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.17 | zerojay | Maybe /var/log/messages |
| 14:34.46 | chx | the whol e/var/log dir is empty |
| 14:34.49 | xnt14[work] | musicbot: mizuki nana: Eternal Blaze |
| 14:35.07 | chx | gtalk works |
| 14:35.13 | chx | this is weird... |
| 14:35.30 | xnt14[work] | musicbot: ayumi hamasaki: Thousand Arms |
| 14:35.37 | xnt14[work] | hmm |
| 14:35.49 | xnt14[work] | my win32 port of musicbot work :) |
| 14:36.06 | GAN800 | zerojay, well, I can too, but coloring makes it a lot faster. |
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| 14:36.07 | mgedmin | chx: dmesg |
| 14:36.28 | mgedmin | or you could install sysklogd |
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| 14:36.55 | mgedmin | don't keep it; constantly writing to flash memory is bad for its life expectancy |
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| 14:39.09 | chx | mgedmin: dmesg |tail only has EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled and EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled alternating. lots. |
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| 14:43.33 | lbt | fiferboy: pong |
| 14:44.00 | fiferboy | lbt: Hey. Are you still working on OBS? |
| 14:44.39 | lbt | not 100% - still using it and what have you |
| 14:45.51 | lbt | what were you wondering? |
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| 14:45.58 | fiferboy | lbt: Have you looked at the finger scrolling changes at all? |
| 14:47.08 | lbt | not recently... not compiled Qt since starting the OBS thing... |
| 14:47.09 | lbt | hmm |
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| 14:48.53 | lbt | OK, I'll pull it into git locally and review |
| 14:49.04 | fiferboy | Cool |
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| 14:50.31 | lbt | yep, for sure that needs pulling into Mer |
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| 15:19.48 | coldboot | fiferboy: I found a bug. |
| 15:19.57 | fiferboy | coldboot: A bug in what? |
| 15:20.51 | coldboot | The flashing fix. |
| 15:21.04 | fiferboy | How big of a bug? |
| 15:21.12 | coldboot | Small and rare. |
| 15:21.26 | coldboot | Remember when I tried your quick fix. |
| 15:21.37 | fiferboy | Yes |
| 15:21.41 | coldboot | The one where we didn't bother sending a Hildon Command if the widget wasn't HIM capable? |
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| 15:22.05 | coldboot | And in our application, when you did that, entering text in that place caused events to drop through the popup window, hitting the widget below. |
| 15:22.13 | fiferboy | Yes, and you had a problem in your program that I couldn't find in any I had installed |
| 15:22.18 | coldboot | Yeah. |
| 15:22.24 | fiferboy | Okay |
| 15:23.06 | coldboot | Well that seems to come up now, sometimes, if you get suggested words as you're typing in that same LineEdit. |
| 15:24.05 | fiferboy | You have a line edit with a completer on it, and clicking on a suggestion in the completer drops through? |
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| 15:26.15 | coldboot | Not clicking on the suggestion, clicking on some other dropdown widget while a suggested word is present. |
| 15:26.27 | coldboot | If you keep typing gibberish, and make the suggested word go away, then it's safe to click on something else. |
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| 15:26.49 | fiferboy | coldboot: Is your line edit in a QDialog? |
| 15:27.07 | coldboot | Not sure, let me check. |
| 15:27.28 | coldboot | Ah, it's a bug with my code. |
| 15:27.40 | coldboot | Oh wait, maybe not. |
| 15:28.35 | fiferboy | I have several lineEdits with completers, but none of them popup the list automatically so I can't test |
| 15:31.27 | coldboot | Can you turn off completers per Qt widget, or is a global HIM setting? |
| 15:32.25 | coldboot | Okay it's not necessarily something with suggested words. |
| 15:32.36 | coldboot | I'll test this for a while to find the exact cause. |
| 15:33.04 | fiferboy | completers are controlled per widget |
| 15:33.32 | coldboot | How do you turn it off? |
| 15:34.15 | fiferboy | You could try: lineEdit->setCompleter(NULL) |
| 15:34.49 | fiferboy | s/(NULL)/()/ |
| 15:35.53 | fiferboy | Hmm, it looks like NULL was correct, at least for setCompleter(QCompleter *c), c has to be zero to clear it |
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| 15:58.50 | coldboot | fiferboy: I don't think it's a bug in the flicker fix anymore. |
| 15:59.07 | coldboot | fiferboy: It turns out our popup dialogues are widgets and make their own loops. |
| 15:59.59 | coldboot | There's some problem with the loop exiting prematurely. |
| 16:00.14 | coldboot | Hence the events going through it into the widgets below. |
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| 16:08.38 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, karma whore 2,508, karma whore. :P |
| 16:08.56 | alterego | Yeah, my karma is like .. 4 |
| 16:08.59 | Stskeeps | GAN800: 2508? :P |
| 16:09.11 | GAN800 | Thanks |
| 16:09.26 | alterego | I must have done something bad in a previous life, or this one. |
| 16:09.34 | Stskeeps | i have 2508 thanks? thought it was 1000 |
| 16:09.37 | alterego | can think of a few bad things he's done in this life actually. |
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| 16:11.08 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, no, I do. ;) |
| 16:11.08 | qwerty12_N810 | is waiting for his Thanks! count to be recalculated again. maemo.org's forgotten that I have an Talk amount, and quite a bit of thanks to go with, and has lowered my karma count :(. Remember, kids: I'm the true karma whore. |
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| 16:11.45 | coldboot | fiferboy: Still there? I have more info. |
| 16:11.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: report it :) you deserve your karma for certain |
| 16:12.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Just waiting another day; X-Fade said that talk karma is calculated every two days or so :) |
| 16:16.56 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: tmo's downtime at the weekend obviously coincided with a karma recount |
| 16:17.01 | zerojay | I was shocked to see how much i had even though i haven't been around much. Was right around when thanks got implemented that i stopped, i think. |
| 16:17.02 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: s/talk karma/karma/ |
| 16:17.39 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 16:17.56 | lcuk | zerojay, it was your post offering instructions on picking up hot chix with your tablet that did the job |
| 16:18.23 | zerojay | Yeah, i know :) |
| 16:19.11 | Jaffa | X-Fade and I have also been working on 9.08-05 and linking tmo accounts where email addresses match; and highlighting ones which are invalid and identifying people who should create/link to get voting rights |
| 16:19.22 | zerojay | Someone took a pic of me using the n810 on the bus and was flipping out thinking it was an n900 proto, lol |
| 16:19.42 | javispedro | heh :) |
| 16:19.48 | Andy80 | LOL :D |
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| 16:19.59 | lcuk | wait |
| 16:20.11 | lcuk | you actually had someone in the street recognise your nokia tablet? |
| 16:20.17 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 16:20.24 | zerojay | Surprise, surprise. |
| 16:20.31 | lcuk | most folks who see mine ask "is it a phone" |
| 16:20.35 | lcuk | and dont get its a tablet |
| 16:20.54 | zerojay | Usually i got "is that an iphone?" |
| 16:20.56 | Andy80 | aome of my friends ask "oh! is it the iPhone?" O_o |
| 16:21.02 | zerojay | "Fuck no!" |
| 16:21.05 | Andy80 | :D |
| 16:21.12 | Andy80 | me too! |
| 16:21.13 | Andy80 | ahahah |
| 16:21.18 | lcuk | iphone is for babies |
| 16:21.22 | lcuk | this is a grown up toy |
| 16:21.38 | lcuk | linux: serious business |
| 16:21.44 | Andy80 | lot of people don't understand what a tablet is :) |
| 16:22.04 | zerojay | I'm just waiting to see a blog post pics of me with my n900 proto. Can't wait. |
| 16:22.05 | javispedro | they'll do starting this year: "that apple thing". |
| 16:22.23 | lcuk | they do when i say moses wrote his commandments with one |
| 16:22.32 | zerojay | Lol |
| 16:22.36 | lcuk | the true nokia prototype |
| 16:22.53 | qwerty12_N810 | zerojay: you should change address or something - you'll get people breaking into your house thinking you've have the N900 proto :P |
| 16:22.59 | zerojay | nXX at the top of the stones |
| 16:23.01 | qwerty12_N810 | -have |
| 16:23.03 | lcuk | you didnt see him using his finger |
| 16:23.24 | lcuk | he had a stylus errrr chisel |
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| 16:23.51 | zerojay | These tablets aren't conductive?! |
| 16:23.51 | javispedro | heh, Maemo Mistral did sound prehistoric but I couldn't imagine how much |
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| 16:25.48 | lcuk | zerojay, capacitive is nice, but its very low resolution |
| 16:26.23 | javispedro | and Moses said "thou shalt not turn your tablet on with USB connected" |
| 16:26.31 | lcuk | hah |
| 16:26.41 | lcuk | :D make a proper list of thoe |
| 16:26.42 | zerojay | I was talking about the stone tablets ;) |
| 16:26.44 | lcuk | and post on tmo |
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| 16:26.46 | qwerty12_N810 | He must've been using a 770 ;) |
| 16:27.12 | lcuk | lol zerojay - i suppose they will conduct lightening |
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| 16:28.31 | javispedro | aha... finally, the kamikaze ai bug fixed |
| 16:28.49 | javispedro | serves me right for believing an updated gcc version whould fix what I should've workarounded in the first place |
| 16:29.14 | woglinde | kamikaze ai? |
| 16:29.34 | javispedro | random breakage in mario kart in the snes emu port |
| 16:30.29 | woglinde | ah |
| 16:30.36 | javispedro | also, a note to those adventurous who try a newer toolchain for diablo: if you're using pthreads and g++, use static libgcc |
| 16:30.45 | woglinde | javis the if's? |
| 16:31.16 | javispedro | woglinde, yep. the code seemed right at first glance with the updated gcc, but a closer look revealed it was not doing the right thing either |
| 16:31.22 | javispedro | so I just swapped around the ifs |
| 16:31.30 | javispedro | and now it works in all gcc versions |
| 16:32.00 | woglinde | hehe |
| 16:32.16 | woglinde | wonders of optimazations |
| 16:33.53 | fiferboy | coldboot: I'm back |
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| 16:35.41 | woglinde | jo fiferboy |
| 16:35.49 | fiferboy | Hey woglinde |
| 16:42.00 | GAN800 | wonders if people who write "Freemantle" feel embarrassed. |
| 16:42.18 | zerojay | Nope. :) |
| 16:42.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Freemantle. |
| 16:42.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Nope. |
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| 16:47.40 | coldboot | What stuff do you guys remove to make more space on your device? |
| 16:48.29 | woglinde | install on the sd card |
| 16:48.32 | qwerty12_N810 | I remove the tutorial and I install localepurge. Also, I get rid of the video that comes with it |
| 16:48.34 | woglinde | there is enough space |
| 16:48.54 | coldboot | What do you mean you install "localpurge"? |
| 16:49.56 | GAN800 | qwerty12_N810, I'll feel embarrassed for you, then. |
| 16:50.02 | woglinde | apt-cache show localepurge |
| 16:50.13 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: That's generous of you. :) |
| 16:50.33 | GAN800 | Hey, I'm always happy to help. :P |
| 16:50.42 | qwerty12_N810 | :D |
| 16:51.15 | coldboot | woglinde: What repo is it in? I don't have in my apt-cache. |
| 16:51.21 | qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: I put out a deb on Talk somewhere. It'll zap all locales that aren't English everytime you install something |
| 16:51.30 | coldboot | ah cool |
| 16:51.32 | woglinde | coldboot ask qwerty |
| 16:51.32 | coldboot | Automatically? |
| 16:51.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep |
| 16:51.45 | woglinde | coldboot you can configure it |
| 16:51.57 | woglinde | on my debian I delete all stuff which is not german |
| 16:52.04 | qwerty12_N810 | It needs cleaning up though, I could remove its dependency on color-ls easily |
| 16:52.18 | woglinde | why its depend on color-ls?= |
| 16:52.27 | woglinde | and why didnt you put in extras? |
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| 16:53.30 | qwerty12_N810 | Because it was a package done by dpkg-deb and its defaults is to nuke everything that is not en, en-US, or en-GB (real English) and I doubt it'd go down well with people not using English... |
| 16:53.31 | coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Is it not in the apt repo? |
| 16:53.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Nope |
| 16:54.35 | woglinde | qwerty12_N810 hm istn maemo using debconf? |
| 16:54.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Nope |
| 16:54.46 | woglinde | hm thats a pity |
| 16:54.50 | woglinde | and design error |
| 16:54.51 | woglinde | hahaha |
| 16:54.59 | qwerty12_N810 | We have "fakedebconf". Yay! |
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| 16:58.18 | coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Thanks, lots of free space now. |
| 16:58.36 | zerojay | How much more? |
| 16:58.53 | coldboot | zerojay: About 40mb. |
| 16:59.07 | zerojay | Nice. |
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| 16:59.26 | woglinde | hm vmware buys springsource |
| 16:59.29 | woglinde | intressting |
| 16:59.38 | Jaffa | Very odd |
| 16:59.47 | Jaffa | Haven't checked the PR yet. Any reason given? |
| 17:00.08 | woglinde | hm platform as service |
| 17:00.30 | woglinde | and cloud stuff |
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| 17:02.25 | mlpug | cloud makes people panic and they just buy something |
| 17:02.42 | woglinde | mlpug vmware is the cloud |
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| 17:06.51 | coldboot | fiferboy: I think it's because I'm setting the him proxy to null if they keyboard is being hidden. |
| 17:07.10 | fiferboy | coldboot: What is the alternative? |
| 17:07.15 | coldboot | fiferboy: I'm not sure. |
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| 17:07.29 | coldboot | fiferboy: I'm going to just never set it to null and see what happens. |
| 17:08.04 | fiferboy | coldboot: Ok. Make sure to try hiding the OSK and typing with the hardware keyboard and see where the input goes |
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| 17:20.15 | Khertan_n810 | Hi all ! |
| 17:20.24 | zerojay | Hey |
| 17:20.25 | caotic | I think this is more like a cellphone than a tablet http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild |
| 17:20.38 | zerojay | Yes. |
| 17:20.42 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 : i ve tryed to use hippo on my n810 |
| 17:21.17 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12: but it s really too slow to be useable :( |
| 17:21.41 | qwerty12_N810 | :( |
| 17:21.51 | Khertan_n810 | caotic : nokia said that isn t a smartphone :) |
| 17:22.26 | Khertan_n810 | qwerty12 : 10s to draw a month view, 10s to manage where a clic happen |
| 17:22.42 | caotic | Khertan_n810: but the Sym key ( top left) makes me wonder if it stands for Symbian, wich will totaly suck |
| 17:22.50 | lcuk | :( Khertan_n810 |
| 17:23.18 | lcuk | caotic, more likely it would be for symbol |
| 17:23.21 | Khertan_n810 | i ll come back to a gtk.drawarea custom view |
| 17:23.46 | javispedro | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/090811-ent-02.jpg |
| 17:23.52 | javispedro | ugly, but a proper keyboard :) |
| 17:23.53 | Khertan_n810 | caotic it s more sym like the chr key |
| 17:24.04 | lcuk | javispedro, whats dat |
| 17:24.10 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/android-turns-up-on-mids-from-eston-sfr/ |
| 17:24.31 | lcuk | looks like a MACK phone |
| 17:24.53 | caotic | I guess, but wha happa, what about the tasks controlling keys, am not that into soft buttons |
| 17:25.03 | lcuk | eh? |
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| 17:25.37 | Khertan_n810 | caotic ... it could be a soft button or a shortcut |
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| 17:25.49 | lcuk | it looks hard in the picture |
| 17:26.02 | RST38h | moo, javis |
| 17:26.05 | lcuk | do you think its a holo projection? |
| 17:26.09 | Khertan_n810 | javispedro : proper if you ar 12 years old ... key is too small |
| 17:26.11 | RST38h | javis: this is a seriously ugly device |
| 17:26.39 | lcuk | we have Fn Shift Chr and Ctrl on n810 dont we |
| 17:26.43 | Khertan_n810 | keys are too small |
| 17:26.45 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:26.46 | javispedro | looks like you're gonna end up with dirty hands if you just touch it |
| 17:27.04 | lcuk | oil from the rig |
| 17:27.12 | RST38h | javis: it will end up with your dirty prints rather |
| 17:27.18 | lcuk | booo my tablet is dead |
| 17:27.23 | lcuk | it was alive when i left |
| 17:27.25 | lcuk | it |
| 17:27.33 | caotic | it suppose to run on ompa3, wonder if the cpu will be jucier. |
| 17:27.38 | Khertan_n810 | import gtknimport caironimport pangonimport pangocaironimport hildonnimport datetimenimport dateutilnnclass AgView(gtk.DrawingArea):nn def __init__(self):n gtk.DrawingArea.__init__(self)n self.eventsList = []n self.current_date = datetime.date(2009,3,1)n self.start_hour = 9n self.end_hour = 19n self.mode = 2n self.callback= Nonen #0 -> Dayn #1 -> Weekn #2 -> Monthn self.c |
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| 17:27.59 | Khertan_n810 | oups sorry ... dirty copy/paste |
| 17:28.01 | lcuk | ====SEPTEMBER== |
| 17:28.04 | lcuk | Arrive at summit |
| 17:28.06 | coldboot | fiferboy: The hardware keyboard is sending events directly to the widget... |
| 17:28.08 | lcuk | Get drunk |
| 17:28.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Smoke weed |
| 17:28.18 | fiferboy | coldboot: Ah, right |
| 17:28.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Smoke weed |
| 17:28.19 | RST38h | when is the summit, again? |
| 17:28.20 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
| 17:28.24 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:28.34 | coldboot | fiferboy: Which also sometimes happens with the stylus keyboard... |
| 17:28.36 | lcuk | you forgot black jack |
| 17:28.41 | Khertan_n810 | still no news about sponsoring ? |
| 17:28.47 | coldboot | fiferboy: Always happens with hardware keyboard, sometimes with stylus keyboard, to be clear. |
| 17:28.49 | RST38h | qwerty: 1. Find out that N900 is not coming until Christmas 2. Smoke weed. 3. Goto 2. |
| 17:29.22 | fiferboy | coldboot: So, the problem always happens with the hardware keyborad or never? |
| 17:29.27 | Khertan_n810 | RST38h : syntax error label N900 unknow |
| 17:29.48 | coldboot | fiferboy: I don't know what you mean. My last sentence should be unambiguous. |
| 17:30.14 | fiferboy | coldboot: "Always happens" is the problem always happens, the the key stroke gets sent to the widget? |
| 17:30.42 | coldboot | fiferboy: As soon as I press a single hardware key with the LineEdit having focus, QApplication::x11ProcessEvent() executes where keywidget = LineEdit. And the keystroke gets sent to the widget. |
| 17:30.53 | coldboot | fiferboy: I also see a flash, so it's getting converted to a native X-Window. |
| 17:30.56 | wazd | RST38h: maybe devs can order one earlier |
| 17:31.04 | RST38h | wazd: Yea, right |
| 17:31.25 | RST38h | wazd: Last time, it was rather kafkian experience |
| 17:31.34 | Khertan_n810 | wazd : it s not 1st april ? |
| 17:31.40 | lcuk | coldboot, fiferboy i was peeking in qt keyboard code, its very well formatted, but its still a bit of a rats nest in there aint it |
| 17:31.51 | wazd | Khertan_n810: I suppose not :) |
| 17:32.04 | coldboot | lcuk: Why would XEvents be getting sent directly to the widget from the hardware keyboard? |
| 17:32.20 | lcuk | isnt that the normal expected flow of things |
| 17:32.25 | coldboot | lcuk: fiferboy: I think I'll retrofit the proxy code to be used all the time. |
| 17:32.25 | lcuk | key event occurs |
| 17:32.27 | lcuk | widget handles |
| 17:32.29 | RST38h | wazd: I guess, if the Nokia's official USA reseller could subject me to an anal probe over the phone, they would |
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| 17:32.54 | Khertan_n810 | so about the summit someone know if there is news about sponsord travel ? |
| 17:32.56 | wazd | RST38h: :D |
| 17:33.09 | RST38h | wazd: Fortunately, they had to satisfy themselves by asking about pretty much all my relatives having US bank accounts |
| 17:33.10 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, i think we will hear soon |
| 17:33.26 | Khertan_n810 | ah ok |
| 17:33.31 | lcuk | we have to lol |
| 17:33.43 | lcuk | those that plan on going have to finalize work holiday bookings |
| 17:33.50 | lcuk | no point in arranging time off if cant go etc |
| 17:34.11 | wazd | I think Fremantle Star devs would be given with new devices, then the ones who submitted to the dev program |
| 17:34.39 | wazd | So I think we'll terrorizing lcuk very soon :D |
| 17:34.44 | lcuk | i'd give my right hand to get a device |
| 17:35.01 | qwerty12_N810 | They may be happy with just a finger ;) |
| 17:35.05 | lcuk | :O |
| 17:35.05 | Khertan_n810 | wazd > i hope that they will not be the only one |
| 17:35.16 | javispedro | lcuk, and both kidneys. that or a life contract with t-mobila |
| 17:35.24 | lcuk | :( |
| 17:35.37 | lcuk | but i already gave both kidneys |
| 17:35.39 | Khertan_n810 | a question about fremantle how they have been choosen ? |
| 17:35.40 | RST38h | that AND the life contract |
| 17:36.00 | Khertan_n810 | s/fremantle/fremantle stars |
| 17:36.20 | wazd | Khertan_n810: well, htey were chosen long ago, don't exactly remember how |
| 17:36.30 | Khertan_n810 | as i don t see any usefull things except liqbase :) |
| 17:36.39 | Khertan_n810 | s/any/anything |
| 17:36.41 | coldboot | fiferboy: lcuk: It also seems that "nativeParentWidget()" doesn't always return the actual nativeParentWidget... |
| 17:36.45 | Khertan_n810 | ah and mauku |
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| 17:36.58 | wazd | Khertan_n810: have you seen the list? |
| 17:37.04 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, you havent looked at ecoach? |
| 17:37.21 | Khertan_n810 | wazd ... yep i ve seen the list |
| 17:37.21 | lcuk | or osm2go |
| 17:37.26 | Khertan_n810 | the one on the wiki |
| 17:37.38 | lcuk | ecoach is spectacular in both implementation and what it can expand to :) |
| 17:37.38 | Khertan_n810 | maybe not up to date |
| 17:37.42 | wazd | Khertan_n810: well, you're the first person that calls OMWeather useless :D |
| 17:38.03 | lcuk | and osm2go gives gps fiddlers something to play with |
| 17:38.08 | wazd | Other apps are pretty handy too |
| 17:38.15 | lbt | coldboot: ! |
| 17:38.18 | Khertan_n810 | wazd ... yep maybe because meteo prevision is always wrong |
| 17:38.20 | lcuk | i actually think omweather is useless |
| 17:38.32 | RST38h | ehehe |
| 17:38.39 | lcuk | how many times do you look at your weather, look out of the window and say "WRONG!" |
| 17:38.45 | javispedro | everyday |
| 17:38.46 | coldboot | lbt: What? |
| 17:38.52 | lcuk | not the fault of a technically amazing app |
| 17:39.01 | lcuk | javispedro, now, what if you could correct it.. |
| 17:39.02 | RST38h | lcuk: You should turn off the internal NIT sensor temperatrue display |
| 17:39.05 | Khertan_n810 | yep ... |
| 17:39.08 | wazd | lcuk: well, my forecasts are pretty accurate |
| 17:39.14 | lcuk | wazd, read that |
| 17:39.16 | lcuk | same app |
| 17:39.19 | javispedro | it's fun how they say "this weekend it's gonna rain A LOT" on monday |
| 17:39.20 | lcuk | but allow you to put it right |
| 17:39.27 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: what's there to be wrong about in the north? Monday: Raining, Tuesday: Raining, etc. |
| 17:39.27 | lcuk | like you do with a barometer thing |
| 17:39.28 | lbt | It also seems that "nativeParentWidget()" doesn't always return the actual nativeParentWidget... |
| 17:39.30 | javispedro | "it's gonna rain a bit" on wednesday |
| 17:39.33 | lcuk | you fiddle and twiddle the dial |
| 17:39.34 | RST38h | wazd: In here, I do not need omweather to forecast stuff =) |
| 17:39.35 | Khertan_n810 | except <the design |
| 17:39.38 | javispedro | then "100% sunny" on friday |
| 17:39.47 | javispedro | every week |
| 17:39.52 | RST38h | wazd: "Same as yesterday, a bit colder if clouds, a bit warmer otherwise" |
| 17:40.12 | wazd | RST38h: Well, I check crrent weather everytime I go out :) |
| 17:40.12 | lcuk | then link it with an online service and show what your friends around you think the weather is doing |
| 17:40.21 | wazd | RST38h: just to be safe :) |
| 17:40.30 | javispedro | hm... weather in the cloud service... |
| 17:40.37 | RST38h | wazd: You mean, you never tried looking out of the window? =) |
| 17:40.45 | lcuk | http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1273083&cid=28372117 |
| 17:41.04 | lcuk | we are data producers |
| 17:41.10 | wazd | RST38h: I don't have built-in lazer to measure temperature just by looking :) |
| 17:41.11 | lcuk | i hate being simply a consumer :) |
| 17:41.21 | lcuk | imrprovize |
| 17:41.32 | lcuk | improvise even |
| 17:41.35 | RST38h | lcuk: fertilizer producers too |
| 17:41.38 | lcuk | like my spelling |
| 17:41.40 | lcuk | yeah |
| 17:42.37 | lcuk | that /. link is me incase anyone didnt realise |
| 17:42.41 | wazd | anyway, hope Vlad will get the device asap |
| 17:42.48 | lcuk | yeah hopefully |
| 17:42.55 | lcuk | hes comin to summit isnt he? |
| 17:42.59 | lcuk | we missed him in cph |
| 17:43.02 | wazd | yep |
| 17:43.05 | lcuk | good |
| 17:43.15 | lcuk | you found a way out yet? |
| 17:43.20 | lcuk | are you goin in his suitcase? |
| 17:43.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Ah, sneaky |
| 17:43.25 | wazd | very small chance |
| 17:43.28 | lcuk | RST38h, ? |
| 17:43.39 | RST38h | lcuk: I would never guess it was you at /. |
| 17:43.39 | coldboot | lcuk: lbt: fiferboy: In this form: https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/17699/addBookViewForm.ui titleLineEdit.nativeParentWidget() returns widget_2 ... |
| 17:43.44 | wazd | almost no |
| 17:43.58 | lcuk | hopefully :) |
| 17:44.06 | lcuk | RST38h, :O nahh |
| 17:44.27 | coldboot | lcuk: lbt: fiferboy: Wait, not in every situation, don't bother downloading the form. |
| 17:44.29 | lcuk | was it my northernisms that copped you, or the sig |
| 17:44.37 | lbt | ok |
| 17:44.49 | coldboot | Something happens that converts widget_2 into a native widget, I guess. |
| 17:45.11 | lcuk | anyway, must dash |
| 17:45.15 | lcuk | \o ttyl |
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| 17:46.07 | coldboot | lcuk: one sec |
| 17:46.12 | coldboot | lcuk: Where is the keyboard code? |
| 17:46.17 | lcuk | wazd, when you are looking at omweather, just have a ponder about how a user might interact to correct it |
| 17:46.24 | lcuk | errr in qt |
| 17:46.27 | lcuk | i did a google for it |
| 17:46.35 | lcuk | i wasnt technically interested in qt itself |
| 17:46.44 | lcuk | i needed to know how to use Fn and shift keys in liqbase |
| 17:47.00 | wazd | lcuk: there's absolutely no way to correct weather forecast |
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| 17:47.10 | wazd | lcuk: unless you run your own station |
| 17:47.11 | lcuk | wazd, pie in the sky |
| 17:47.15 | coldboot | lcuk: Is there any special qt-maemo code that gets executed when you press the hardware keys in a Qt app? |
| 17:47.16 | lcuk | how would a user drag/move stuff |
| 17:47.26 | lcuk | forget implementations etc |
| 17:47.30 | wazd | lcuk: it's not in the sky, its far from our galaxy :) |
| 17:47.43 | lcuk | of course its POSSIBLE to do anything coding wise |
| 17:47.54 | lcuk | im just trying to see if theres a way to make omweather interactive |
| 17:48.07 | lcuk | thought experiment |
| 17:48.22 | wazd | lcuk: no need in doing OMW interactive |
| 17:48.22 | javispedro | sees qt-him discussion and remembers something |
| 17:48.28 | javispedro | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4768 |
| 17:48.30 | lcuk | ok dont worry |
| 17:48.33 | zerojay | I wonder why shopper is 7mb. |
| 17:48.36 | javispedro | do you know what Antonio meant when he closed/fixed that bug? |
| 17:48.39 | wazd | lcuk: it's only goal is to show the weather forecast the way you want |
| 17:48.44 | lbt | zerojay: ? |
| 17:48.46 | lbt | it's not |
| 17:48.52 | lcuk | wazd, i know, and it does that well |
| 17:48.53 | lbt | it's a few hundred kb |
| 17:49.01 | lbt | Qt on the other hand :) |
| 17:49.05 | lcuk | im merely trying to move to next thing |
| 17:49.07 | lcuk | we have gps |
| 17:49.10 | javispedro | I guess it's fixed as in "fixed in fremantle" |
| 17:49.13 | lcuk | we know where and when it is |
| 17:49.19 | lcuk | it might be fun to have user reports |
| 17:49.21 | lcuk | thats all |
| 17:49.24 | fiferboy | I think programs in the h-a-m show the total "installed" size with dependencies |
| 17:49.31 | zerojay | Ah, ok |
| 17:49.58 | lbt | yeah, that's misleading... but understandable |
| 17:50.01 | Stskeeps | zerojay: re community translations we do part of it in Mer already - tomaszd is working on it mostly, but no transifex instance yet |
| 17:50.03 | wazd | lcuk: whats the purpose of that expensive thing? :) |
| 17:50.10 | lcuk | what expensive thing |
| 17:50.16 | Stskeeps | zerojay: if you want to team up with him to get some experiments going, feel welcome (#mer) |
| 17:50.25 | wazd | lcuk: user reports |
| 17:50.30 | lcuk | im talking about just having fun, you know "what if.." |
| 17:50.40 | lcuk | if you dont want to ask the question thats cool |
| 17:50.44 | Stskeeps | zerojay: you'll probably need to push some stuff through maemo.org process |
| 17:51.20 | lcuk | wazd, i am english, discussing the weather is as important as watching the reports |
| 17:51.25 | zerojay | Yeah, that's why i'm asking. |
| 17:51.27 | wazd | lcuk: Maybe that's just me, I always trying to suggest something available |
| 17:51.49 | lcuk | if i could move a slider between sunny and rainy with slick anims it would be fun |
| 17:51.56 | lcuk | it would be something i would want to show my friends |
| 17:53.15 | wazd | lcuk: I don't understand why people should care bout the weather in other cities :) |
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| 17:53.25 | lcuk | wazd |
| 17:53.33 | lcuk | between myselef and girlfriend we have different weather |
| 17:53.45 | lcuk | i just drove 2 miles and went from totally dry to wet |
| 17:54.12 | wazd | lcuk: use Twitter then :D |
| 17:54.19 | wazd | lcuk: or IM or something :) |
| 17:54.20 | RST38h | lcuk: Run two copies of omweather |
| 17:54.22 | lcuk | :) i will use something |
| 17:54.35 | RST38h | wazd: I suspect the cities where he lives and works have different weather =) |
| 17:54.42 | lcuk | but not the right weather |
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| 17:54.57 | lcuk | rarely the right weather |
| 17:54.59 | RST38h | The only place with the right weather is California |
| 17:55.01 | lcuk | it can say "rainy patches" |
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| 17:55.07 | RST38h | It is said to eventually drive people mad, too |
| 17:55.11 | lcuk | but the rain might be on off |
| 17:55.13 | lcuk | or not hit at all |
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| 17:55.42 | wazd | lcuk: seriously, the complains about "OMW doesn't show right weather" are fun :) What the hell can we do with that? :) |
| 17:55.42 | lcuk | :) anyway, ill put it in the melting pot |
| 17:55.52 | lcuk | let them change it! |
| 17:55.59 | lcuk | people dont like it when something is wrong |
| 17:56.07 | lcuk | if they could click and make it sunny |
| 17:56.09 | lcuk | they would smile |
| 17:56.16 | RST38h | Meanwhile: US Cell Phone Plans Among World's Most Expensive |
| 17:56.19 | lcuk | "hah, beat the bastard forecast! |
| 17:56.23 | wazd | I already let God to change weather. See what happened :D |
| 17:56.40 | Jaffa | is prepping the election announcement. |
| 17:57.12 | lcuk | RST38h, you say theres a thermometer in device? |
| 17:57.19 | lcuk | can it get actual ambient temp or just cpu? |
| 17:57.28 | wazd | lcuk: yes, and OMWeather can show it's temp |
| 17:57.33 | javispedro | mine's always at 33ºC so I guess CPU |
| 17:57.36 | wazd | lcuk: I guess cpu |
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| 17:58.02 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:58.18 | lcuk | right, must code anyway |
| 17:58.34 | lcuk | watches the rain falling |
| 17:58.50 | javispedro | I want to code some auto-framerate thingie |
| 17:58.55 | javispedro | SDL |
| 17:58.56 | RST38h | lcuk: yep |
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| 18:00.11 | wazd | ok, gotta go get something to eat |
| 18:00.23 | wazd | I forgot that I eat sometimes ) |
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| 18:08.59 | javispedro | pupnik_, you mentioned something about an arm cycle counter? is there more info about that? |
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| 18:14.02 | GAN800 | wazd, you're gonna go into a diabetic coma one day and really regret that. :P ;) |
| 18:14.06 | X-Fade | lcuk: It is the temperature of the touch screen. |
| 18:14.24 | lcuk | X-Fade, o'rly |
| 18:14.37 | X-Fade | lcuk: Probably needed as the touch screen is reacting differently when hot/cold. |
| 18:14.37 | lcuk | so i could technically detect if someone is giving it a high 5? |
| 18:15.33 | X-Fade | lcuk: Depends on the energy emitted from your hand and the ambient temp ;) |
| 18:16.14 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:16.26 | lcuk | "nb, only works in finland" |
| 18:17.00 | X-Fade | lcuk: well the term resistive screen gives you a hint. |
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| 18:17.15 | X-Fade | lcuk: Resistance probably differs with temperature. |
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| 18:18.14 | lcuk | everything differs with temp |
| 18:18.34 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles smiles when its sunny and is a grump when it rains |
| 18:19.47 | lcuk | X-Fade that does explain why touchscreens alter their sensitivity in different temps |
| 18:19.53 | lcuk | and why some poeple can work on a cold tablet |
| 18:19.57 | X-Fade | lcuk: But who knows, maybe you can measure difference between a stylus and a living finger by the touchscreen values. |
| 18:20.14 | lcuk | oi! go look back into os2006 code |
| 18:20.24 | X-Fade | Not only the area, but also the real values. |
| 18:20.32 | lcuk | its like moon missions, you need some space cowboys |
| 18:20.42 | javispedro | just electrocute the finger with the "conductive" tablet previously described here, if the pressure disappears it was a living finger. if it does not it was a dead finger. |
| 18:20.52 | lcuk | would be simpler takin a pic and counting the fingers lol |
| 18:21.18 | lcuk | can we stop with the attacks on fingers |
| 18:21.32 | VDVsx | ok, my tablet just gone wild, it boots, turn the camera light for a second and than reboots :( |
| 18:21.43 | javispedro | the camera as in, the red light? |
| 18:21.47 | aol | tablets gone wild 4 |
| 18:21.48 | javispedro | s/light/led/ |
| 18:21.57 | lcuk | lol VDVsx put some clothes on |
| 18:22.00 | lcuk | "eeek, vdvsx has no clothes on" |
| 18:22.10 | lcuk | SHUTDOWNSHUTDOWNSHUTDOWN |
| 18:22.10 | X-Fade | When I left my laptop in the my car while it was freezing, it took an hour orso for the touchpad to come back again ;) |
| 18:22.24 | VDVsx | javispedro, blue |
| 18:22.29 | X-Fade | Frozen touchpad, not good. |
| 18:22.45 | javispedro | ah, n800 |
| 18:22.45 | lcuk | NO, NOT REALLY |
| 18:22.54 | VDVsx | javispedro, n810 |
| 18:23.00 | lcuk | ahem |
| 18:23.04 | javispedro | the camera light is blue? |
| 18:23.15 | lcuk | X-Fade, what range does the 810 have? would that have survived |
| 18:23.20 | lcuk | no, red |
| 18:23.35 | VDVsx | mine is blue,lol |
| 18:23.37 | X-Fade | lcuk: I have no idea, but probably yes. |
| 18:23.53 | lcuk | i know survived isnt the right word |
| 18:23.53 | X-Fade | lcuk: My N95 survived skiing trips just fine. |
| 18:23.55 | javispedro | VDVsx, did you try if the red led is working? |
| 18:24.02 | lcuk | i remember qole taking his with kids in snow on a bike |
| 18:24.08 | lcuk | (mightv been someone else) |
| 18:24.17 | javispedro | maybe it's trying to light "white" (happens to me when wd reboots) |
| 18:24.53 | VDVsx | javispedro, can't do anything :( |
| 18:25.02 | javispedro | reflash time :P |
| 18:25.07 | VDVsx | bahh |
| 18:25.10 | X-Fade | javispedro: There is this color led app which lets you set any color. |
| 18:25.20 | javispedro | aa |
| 18:25.23 | lcuk | X-Fade, cheap laptop then :P |
| 18:25.43 | X-Fade | lcuk: Well touchpad uses IR. |
| 18:26.13 | X-Fade | lcuk: It was just too cold to register the warmth of my fingers. |
| 18:26.57 | VDVsx | ok, boot Mer, than os2008, and It's working again :) |
| 18:27.33 | VDVsx | I even removed the battery earlier, strange thing |
| 18:27.55 | javispedro | a dirty filesystem |
| 18:28.01 | javispedro | (wild guess) |
| 18:28.49 | VDVsx | probably, it happened after install last mer release |
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| 18:30.11 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:37.07 | sh0gun5 | hello |
| 18:37.30 | sh0gun5 | anyone tried android on n810? |
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| 18:43.56 | johnsq | sh0gun5: why should I run java on a machine, where I can native applications? |
| 18:45.42 | Jaffa | Anyone spot any typos or msitakes before I publish on maemo.org/news/ and talk.maemo.org? http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/2009-August/002665.html |
| 18:46.00 | Jaffa | johnsq: If there's an app you want to run that requires Java, or you want to develop cross-platform applications |
| 18:47.12 | johnsq | Jaffa: yeah, than i use the android emulator. |
| 18:47.59 | konttori__ | hmm... is there a java vm that would actually be fast on arm? |
| 18:48.52 | javispedro | cacao works pretty well. |
| 18:49.00 | zerojay | Looks all good here |
| 18:49.21 | javispedro | Jaffa, (of particular interest to |
| 18:49.21 | javispedro | about 1,600 talk.maemo.org account users who are are eliglbe |
| 18:49.25 | Jaffa | konttori__: OpenJDK's just had a new ASM interpreter |
| 18:49.30 | javispedro | ^^^ see last word |
| 18:49.36 | Jaffa | javispedro: typo. doh |
| 18:49.42 | Jaffa | javispedro: ta. zerojay: ta |
| 18:49.47 | konttori__ | nice. is that fast? |
| 18:50.02 | X-Fade | Jaffa: mornth? |
| 18:50.33 | Jaffa | konttori__: Supposed to be fast. Hang on, let me find the URL: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-info/2009-July/000361.html |
| 18:50.37 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ta. |
| 18:50.47 | javispedro | a, the BIG |
| 18:51.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: it might be a good idea for canditates to specify what they are going to work on in their term. |
| 18:51.46 | X-Fade | Jaffa: And being able to evaluate that at the end of the term? |
| 18:51.47 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Indeed; I'm imagining more detail in the call-for-nominations |
| 18:52.14 | Jaffa | X-Fade: However, I'm still keen for it to be primarily a facilitation role so that *doing* isn't viewed as something only the council can do. |
| 18:52.28 | X-Fade | Jaffa: That would make the work of the council more clear for people who are not hardcore tracking the community. |
| 18:52.55 | X-Fade | Yes, true facilitating is hard to measure. |
| 18:53.47 | sh0gun5 | hmm, and what do you think about upcoming maemo 5 on nokia n900? |
| 18:53.56 | sh0gun5 | are u gonna buy this phone? |
| 18:54.12 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I for example know that you guys are doing things behind the scenes, because I'm sometimes in CC. But that is hard to follow for the public. |
| 18:54.22 | zerojay | Will if i can. |
| 18:54.30 | X-Fade | It might be good to know for candidates what they can expect. |
| 18:54.52 | X-Fade | If we take Qole as an example, he was asking what he was supposed to do _after_ he was elected. |
| 18:55.03 | X-Fade | That means that the role isn't very clear. |
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| 19:11.02 | Stskeeps | oh boy, election time again |
| 19:11.48 | qwerty12_N810 | In related news: penguinbait and Darius are reportedly forming a coalition |
| 19:12.01 | alterego | NOOOO! |
| 19:12.07 | zerojay | Of the willing? |
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| 19:12.47 | Stskeeps | i vote qwerty12_N810! |
| 19:13.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Haha, I'm not cut out for work like that anyway. I can't even get my homework done on time... |
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| 19:20.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I think a lot of that "not knowing what the role entails" is because they've never done a facilitation role. |
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| 19:25.43 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, gerbick is joining too :P |
| 19:27.03 | Jaffa | Maemo's dead ;-) |
| 19:27.17 | Stskeeps | i'd vote in some trolls just to be able to watch ;) |
| 19:27.29 | Stskeeps | qole ended up being all behaved after getting into council, :P |
| 19:27.33 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: ohshit |
| 19:27.35 | Stskeeps | (apologies to qole if he's watching) |
| 19:27.44 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Tr...ue. |
| 19:27.53 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: "I read the logs." |
| 19:28.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Joking, he's an awesome guy |
| 19:28.08 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: no announcement of voting on talk.? or did i miss it |
| 19:28.36 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Was going to proof-read that a bit more; then a council news article; then a wiki page (with screenshots) on linking your account; then an announcement on talk |
| 19:28.51 | Jaffa | Fun-filled evening for me. Somewhere in there I've got to pack for Stockholm |
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| 19:29.30 | Stskeeps | ah, sounds fun |
| 19:32.53 | Jaffa | Oh yeah |
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| 19:35.05 | coldboot | Has anyone ever got this in sb1? Don't know how to run. Try "help target". |
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| 19:35.13 | coldboot | While using gdb, that is. |
| 19:36.00 | Stskeeps | what's going to be most interesting about council is how many tries to get elected again |
| 19:40.52 | coldboot | What did the computer scientist say to his friend when he asked if he had solved The Two Generals Problem? |
| 19:41.14 | coldboot | Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. |
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| 20:00.02 | coldboot | Can you simulate using the physical maemo keyboard in scratchbox? |
| 20:00.16 | woglinde | ???? |
| 20:00.45 | woglinde | you can you use your pc-keyboard in xephyr |
| 20:00.56 | coldboot | Yeah I know, but it won't reproduce the bug properly. |
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| 20:02.35 | Jaffa | Is http://wiki.maemo.org/Link_talk.maemo.org_account_with_maemo.org_profile too stupid a wiki page name? |
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| 20:07.18 | Stskeeps | Get_Karma? |
| 20:07.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:07.24 | Jaffa | heh |
| 20:07.27 | Jaffa | It can always be renamed. |
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| 20:17.22 | Jaffa | Created. |
| 20:18.30 | lbt | zerojay: I'll take a look at the Meta theme issue -- I never thought to test it with another theme :) |
| 20:22.52 | zerojay | No problem. :) |
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| 20:34.49 | coldboot | Why did someone make a QETWidget that's just a bunch of added member functions, instead of extending QWidget? |
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| 20:41.21 | woglinde | hm Qt Development Framework |
| 20:41.22 | woglinde | new name |
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| 20:50.11 | michaelm | hello |
| 20:50.20 | michaelm | i have a quick question |
| 20:50.29 | michaelm | maybe someone can assit me? |
| 20:50.40 | lcuk | you can assit yourself |
| 20:50.50 | michaelm | I am trying to set my channel for my 810 to channel 14 |
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| 20:51.03 | lcuk | wat? |
| 20:51.39 | zerojay | Your router need to change channel, not the tablet i don't think. |
| 20:52.03 | michaelm | my n810, the wifi I would like to change it to channel 14 using the following command: iwpriv wlan0 set CountryRegion = 5 |
| 20:52.05 | zerojay | I assume you're not in the us? |
| 20:52.11 | michaelm | and I am geting an error |
| 20:52.37 | lcuk | thought for a moment you were trying to watch television on tablet |
| 20:53.08 | michaelm | lol |
| 20:53.12 | michaelm | nice one :-) |
| 20:53.25 | michaelm | i get invalid command : set |
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| 20:53.40 | zerojay | Aren't the channels hardcoded by region? |
| 20:54.18 | johnsq | i think the driver didn't support iwpriv. |
| 20:54.25 | michaelm | correct, which is why i would like to change my region code to 5 which is channel 14 |
| 20:54.35 | michaelm | it does, but with certain commands |
| 20:54.45 | michaelm | which is why I am trying to figure this out |
| 20:55.58 | lcuk | iwpriv -help |
| 20:56.07 | javispedro | isn't that set by wlancal? |
| 20:56.09 | qwerty12_N810 | wlan-cal (in initfs) sets the channel information based on information stored in the config area in /dev/mtd2 |
| 20:56.14 | lcuk | Usage: iwpriv interface [private-command [private-arguments]] |
| 20:56.14 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.14 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:56.18 | lcuk | set not required? |
| 20:56.30 | lcuk | im reading a foreign page of someone with same problem, different pooter |
| 20:56.37 | michaelm | so how would i do it |
| 20:56.37 | lcuk | so im just guessing |
| 20:56.46 | lcuk | iwpriv wlan0 CountryRegion = 5 |
| 20:56.49 | lcuk | try it |
| 20:57.04 | michaelm | i dont know what the private-comman [private-arguments] are |
| 20:57.28 | michaelm | invalid command : CountryRegion |
| 20:57.40 | qwerty12_N810 | michaelm: at this moment in time, you'd be better served changing the frequency on your router to one used in the US |
| 20:57.52 | lcuk | sounds reasonable |
| 20:57.53 | qwerty12_N810 | *channel |
| 20:57.59 | lcuk | and then of course you can pickup bbc1 |
| 20:58.20 | michaelm | yes i know but thats really not an option. I am using the n810 as a pen test tool and it has to work on 14 |
| 20:58.41 | lcuk | no, you want to use it as a pen test tool |
| 20:58.59 | lcuk | or has it suddenly stopped working |
| 20:59.02 | lcuk | when it did before |
| 20:59.59 | michaelm | i have a program that scans all channels and also u can scan an individual channel. I can do channels 1-13 but not 14 |
| 21:00.07 | michaelm | it has never worked |
| 21:00.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Buy EU then. =) No tool (publically) exists to change the information saying that your tablet is an US one. When your tablet starts up, it runs a program that sets the channel information based on what the tablet's region is |
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| 21:01.10 | michaelm | is there a way to adjust that ? so that it includes Japan? |
| 21:01.41 | mardi__ | anyone else tempted by the expansys £130 for N810 deal? |
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| 21:12.06 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.37 | mardi__ | good point |
| 21:13.30 | zerojay | Wish people wouldn't smoke in bus shelters, ugh. |
| 21:13.49 | qwerty12_N810 | Wish people wouldn't smoke anywhere. :( |
| 21:14.02 | zerojay | Yeah, that too. |
| 21:14.23 | zerojay | Just makes the wait that much worse. |
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| 21:22.22 | gogol | urg dbus. how to start and stop applications with it, anyone? |
| 21:22.50 | alterego | If I had a penny :) |
| 21:23.20 | gogol | i want to restart fring when n810 connects to a new network...but it's all guesswork because there's no documentation on the calls i can find. |
| 21:23.39 | alterego | source? |
| 21:23.49 | zerojay | Closed |
| 21:24.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Use conler and a python script which'll do the osso_rpc call |
| 21:24.35 | gogol | conler only works for wlan |
| 21:24.38 | gogol | :/ |
| 21:25.19 | gogol | wanna do bt too. |
| 21:25.28 | zerojay | I have to do the same thing with mauku. |
| 21:25.39 | qwerty12_N810 | dbus-scripts is pretty generic |
| 21:25.46 | qwerty12_N810 | (should be in extras) |
| 21:26.08 | gogol | yeah i have it but can;t grok it. i dont know where to start. |
| 21:26.49 | qwerty12_N810 | I don't have my phone tethered to the N810 but running dbus-monitor before your connecting your phone should tell you what events you need to look for |
| 21:29.11 | gogol | i'll give that another shot. appreciate your insight thanks :) |
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| 21:40.39 | gogol | funny you can't ctrl-c dbus-monitor. == dbus-monitor >> file &; tail -f file. goofy. |
| 21:43.14 | gogol | zerojay, how do you accomplish it w/ mauku? or is it wlan and conler? |
| 21:44.32 | zerojay | Manually. |
| 21:45.00 | zerojay | Quit and relaunch after reconnect |
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| 21:50.10 | z4chh | chews on his stylus |
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| 21:51.33 | gogol | ^^ the disgusting issue with buying a used tablet |
| 21:51.51 | gogol | stylus all toothmarked, yech |
| 21:52.42 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/ |
| 21:52.45 | wazd | lawlz |
| 21:53.15 | javispedro | I knew it! |
| 21:53.30 | qwerty12_N810 | Harmattan will not exist. WinMo will take its place. |
| 21:53.32 | javispedro | Tell us Maemo is going to be the revolutionary OS that will bring them all under one dark lord. |
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| 21:53.38 | VDVsx | OMG |
| 21:53.42 | javispedro | then stab us in the back and use WinMO!! |
| 21:54.21 | javispedro | goes to check when the stabbing is in his local timezone... |
| 21:55.26 | wazd | damn, zune HD Ui is pretty cool |
| 21:55.37 | javispedro | heh. So now Qt will allow devs to target Symbian, WinMo and Maemo |
| 21:55.43 | wazd | I like that "press" style |
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| 21:56.49 | javispedro | catches his half-empty popcorn bag again and goes to tmo |
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| 21:58.17 | qwerty12_N810 | First Intel, and now Microshit. |
| 21:58.42 | javispedro | yes! Nokia is going to be as slashdot-hated as Novell. |
| 21:58.45 | javispedro | ;) |
| 21:58.58 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/zune-hd-video-hands-on-chock-full-of-media-edition/ |
| 21:59.11 | wazd | damn, that's really fresh UI! |
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| 22:00.57 | javispedro | "Those menu shots look amazing though. They really reveal the power behind that Tegra. Woooeeee." they haven't seen liqbase |
| 22:04.20 | wazd | javispedro: in fact theres not so much horsepower and shader effects as just plain sytle work |
| 22:04.23 | woglinde | but thats not windwos mobil |
| 22:04.26 | johnsq | simple bitmap as background does the same job |
| 22:04.53 | javispedro | well, they have loads of fluid kinetic scrolling |
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| 22:05.12 | javispedro | but to say that is due to "Tegra's power" is... |
| 22:07.17 | wazd | woglinde: no, but htat prooves that Redmond guys can make sexy stuff too :) |
| 22:07.28 | javispedro | any bets which kind of bad news will come from that microsoft nokia "announcement"? :) |
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| 22:07.41 | coldboot | What announcement? |
| 22:07.58 | wazd | javispedro: "Hello. We hate each other. Goodbye." |
| 22:08.00 | lcuk | they put a LOT of thought into who was presenting that |
| 22:08.10 | lcuk | wazd, you notice he had long nails |
| 22:08.21 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/ |
| 22:08.27 | lcuk | he was using a finger stylus :) |
| 22:08.32 | wazd | lcuk: I was hypnotised with UI :) |
| 22:08.55 | wazd | lcuk: it has capacitive screen, multitouch |
| 22:09.16 | wazd | lcuk: so no nails alllowed :) |
| 22:09.47 | lcuk | the guy is using his nail |
| 22:09.48 | wazd | Damn, maybe I should buy this Zune just to look at the UI :D |
| 22:10.09 | wazd | L love that multi-layer pop-art style |
| 22:10.53 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:11.00 | wazd | lcuk: it's capacitive ts |
| 22:11.13 | wazd | lcuk: nothing but finger will work |
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| 22:12.34 | javispedro | lol |
| 22:12.49 | javispedro | engadget: "The creation of MaeWinMo?" |
| 22:13.18 | wazd | javispedro: well, in some proportions it would be great :) |
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| 22:14.00 | javispedro | as probable as an announcement telling us they've built a time machine and are using it to bring Fred Flintsone back to the future. |
| 22:14.05 | woglinde | hm maybee qt wince |
| 22:14.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Pocket IE sucked more ass than MicroB (and that's saying something) |
| 22:14.29 | jaska | haha |
| 22:14.31 | javispedro | woglinde, that'd be my guess too |
| 22:14.36 | jaska | i was just about to suggest pocket ie for maemo |
| 22:14.51 | woglinde | lol |
| 22:15.03 | woglinde | maybee the zune is using wince qt |
| 22:17.03 | javispedro | or maybe they're going to do what vmware did and dual boot wince and maemo on the n800 ;) |
| 22:17.21 | qwerty12_N810 | Do Nokia really wish to be associated with http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6KoPNrNgNVc/Rm9gDeb4kdI/AAAAAAAAAJU/bJAFybQ68q8/s1600-h/billagram2.gif |
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| 22:27.12 | VDVsx | lcuk, oh my : http://www.indypendent.org/2009/07/23/bacon-as-weapon/?cat=906 |
| 22:28.09 | javispedro | a standard joke in the restaurant chain industry goes, When in doubt, throw cheese and bacon on it. |
| 22:28.26 | javispedro | :D |
| 22:31.02 | VDVsx | ehhe |
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| 22:33.36 | zerojayPC | Pop quiz: screenshot tool? |
| 22:34.13 | gogol | scrot |
| 22:34.15 | gogol | what do i win |
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| 22:34.39 | zerojayPC | scrot? |
| 22:34.44 | gogol | lol |
| 22:34.47 | gogol | true! |
| 22:35.02 | gogol | prb not on tablets, but... |
| 22:35.09 | zerojayPC | ... |
| 22:35.11 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 22:35.31 | javispedro | ladies and gentleman, tmo thread about the "announcement" is now open! |
| 22:35.32 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=310994 |
| 22:35.54 | gogol | fn-prtsc on xp! mspaint.exe! ctrl-v! |
| 22:35.59 | gogol | ftw! |
| 22:36.08 | gogol | <---toaster oven! |
| 22:36.23 | zerojayPC | That's pretty helpful for taking screenshots of the tablet. ;) |
| 22:36.30 | gogol | rofl |
| 22:36.45 | gogol | eh, advanced cpu mon or whatev |
| 22:36.58 | qwerty12_N810 | has a fondness for the load-applet, available in Extras |
| 22:37.02 | gogol | whiskey makes these things hard to remember |
| 22:37.14 | gogol | that's the one |
| 22:37.41 | zerojayPC | I could have sworn there was a small little dedicated app for it. Hm. |
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| 22:38.07 | gogol | goes to check scrot on debian armel... |
| 22:38.36 | qwerty12_N810 | A standalone, command line one is the maemo-screenshot-tool, I believe, and a standalone GUI one would be the mh-shot-tool |
| 22:39.46 | zerojayPC | Which I cannot find. Um. |
| 22:39.49 | zerojayPC | :/ |
| 22:40.07 | zerojayPC | load-applet should be good enough for the moment anyways. |
| 22:40.13 | zerojayPC | Thanks. |
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| 22:41.01 | johnsq | i use xuwd on normal systems |
| 22:41.08 | johnsq | s/xuwd/xwud |
| 22:41.49 | zerojayPC | Stskeeps: Say something. |
| 22:41.53 | gogol | is it bad form to force debian armel packages to install? |
| 22:42.00 | gogol | im sure it is. |
| 22:42.19 | gogol | they work fine, however. probably half what ive installed has been in this fashion. |
| 22:42.27 | zerojayPC | oh boy. |
| 22:42.46 | gogol | :) |
| 22:43.04 | qwerty12_N810 | scrot compiles cleanly in a scratchbox anyway. I used to use it when I butchered hildon-desktop to run it when pressing F6 |
| 22:43.14 | gogol | nice |
| 22:43.55 | gogol | ive recently sold out and went back to a butchered xp as main os. cant really do scratchbox anymore... |
| 22:44.09 | zerojayPC | Wow. |
| 22:44.11 | gogol | now that im back wanting to compile things it _hurts_ |
| 22:44.17 | zerojayPC | I can't even fathom going back to Windows. |
| 22:44.30 | zerojayPC | It's been... almost.. damn, almost 10 years now. |
| 22:44.35 | lcuk | never left |
| 22:44.50 | qwerty12_N810 | I did the same (Ubuntu -> XP (getting WiFi working was a PITA) but I just fire up VMware |
| 22:45.13 | gogol | makes sense when you want to play games and such. when you want your life to be easy. |
| 22:45.30 | zerojayPC | Funny, I find it much easier on the Linux side. |
| 22:45.30 | johnsq | gogol: windows and easy *lol* |
| 22:45.38 | gogol | you think? |
| 22:45.41 | zerojayPC | Sure. |
| 22:45.45 | gogol | depends on your hardware i guess |
| 22:45.49 | zerojayPC | Old as shit. |
| 22:45.52 | zerojayPC | lol |
| 22:46.08 | zerojayPC | The next tablet will run rings around my current home PC. |
| 22:46.52 | zerojayPC | And I really can't see myself ever buying another PC ever again anyways. |
| 22:47.02 | zerojayPC | Or any desktop/laptop. |
| 22:47.33 | gogol | well i spent two years getting a 233mhz dell to run damnsmalllinux. the wireless adapter was the worst. and there was always something that needed me to write some bash or perl to get it to work. |
| 22:47.49 | zerojayPC | Never had that issue. |
| 22:47.55 | gogol | sometimes you get sick of hacking and just want it to fsking WORK already. |
| 22:48.05 | zerojayPC | Everything I had worked straight out of the box without even needing to compile a kernel module, period. |
| 22:48.17 | zerojayPC | Made a lot of my Windows friends jealous. |
| 22:48.20 | gogol | nicer hardware i assume..? |
| 22:48.36 | gogol | mine was worth maybe 20 bux on ebay |
| 22:48.38 | zerojayPC | Better than a 233mhz dell, sure. ;) |
| 22:48.53 | gogol | shucks, i be POOR |
| 22:49.25 | gogol | paid for the n810 washing dishes! |
| 22:49.56 | zerojayPC | I paid for it by getting the developer discount and then waiting a year before the code would finally WORK. |
| 22:50.10 | gogol | i envy you. |
| 22:50.38 | zerojayPC | After almost a full year, I got a package in the mail from Quim.. a N810 free to make up for the whole problem with the developer discount code not working for 10 months. |
| 22:50.52 | zerojayPC | And I sold my N800 right when I got my discount code for the N810. |
| 22:51.01 | zerojayPC | So I was almost a year without a tablet at all. |
| 22:51.06 | zerojayPC | So no... don't envy me. lol |
| 22:51.18 | gogol | id love to go to school and study. hope y'all appreciate your uber lifestyles of the awesome and nerdy |
| 22:52.03 | gogol | or fly out to amsterdam or whereever for the maemo con |
| 22:52.16 | zerojayPC | I'd love to do that, but I doubt I'd get sponsored. |
| 22:52.29 | gogol | sounds like a blast, a whole building full of nerds with NITs! |
| 22:52.35 | zerojayPC | Hell yeah. |
| 22:52.43 | zerojayPC | Sure does sound like a great time. |
| 22:52.47 | gogol | MITM central! |
| 22:52.54 | gogol | lol |
| 22:53.23 | zerojayPC | I'm not sure I would be able to go anyways... gotta present a demo to Ubisoft around that time so... |
| 22:53.32 | zerojayPC | Just hope there will be plenty of liveblogging going on. |
| 22:54.20 | gogol | sure there will, sigh |
| 22:55.07 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Hahaha. |
| 22:56.05 | woglinde | good nite |
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| 23:03.38 | mmu_screen | plop |
| 23:03.58 | mmu_screen | is it normal git takes ages to clone https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu ? |
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| 23:08.27 | mmu_screen | damn, can't even get a snapshot :-( |
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| 23:11.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Snapshot works here. BTW, are you mmu_man? |
| 23:12.01 | mmu_screen | I am |
| 23:12.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Your work is awesome :) |
| 23:12.27 | mmu_screen | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=qemu;a=snapshot;h=HEAD;sf=tgz I just an html with the menu |
| 23:13.10 | mmu_screen | thx :p |
| 23:13.14 | zerojayPC | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/nokia-and-microsoft-to-announce-an-alliance-tomorrow-what/comments/20825508/ <-- someone forgot to take his pill today. |
| 23:13.20 | mmu_screen | at least I'm the only one mmu_man I know :p |
| 23:13.59 | lcuk | mmu_screen, appears as though there is a glitch if you access snapshots via garage git pages |
| 23:14.09 | lcuk | we noticed yesterday if you use git.maemo.org |
| 23:14.13 | lcuk | and find the project |
| 23:14.17 | lcuk | the snapshot worked |
| 23:14.26 | lcuk | might be same problem |
| 23:14.45 | mmu_screen | ah ok thx |
| 23:15.05 | mmu_screen | indeed |
| 23:15.07 | mmu_screen | works there |
| 23:15.16 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:15.26 | lcuk | submerges again |
| 23:17.43 | Macer | blah |
| 23:17.47 | Macer | still editing this blog article |
| 23:17.51 | Macer | this shit is going to take a week to write |
| 23:18.02 | Macer | and i haven't even gotten to the juicy stuff yet heh |
| 23:19.40 | zerojayPC | I'm sitting here waiting for certain people to start talking so I can attempt to reproduce a bug. |
| 23:19.48 | Macer | uhm |
| 23:19.53 | zerojayPC | Yes, an IRC plugin bug that won't be fixed, but hey. |
| 23:20.06 | Macer | and irc plugin in what? |
| 23:20.08 | Macer | microb? |
| 23:20.17 | zerojayPC | No. |
| 23:20.26 | qwerty12_N810 | You're crazy for not using a real client :P |
| 23:20.29 | zerojayPC | The telepathy-idle IRC plugin for Maemo. |
| 23:20.35 | Macer | oh |
| 23:20.40 | Macer | never used telepathy |
| 23:20.41 | Macer | :) |
| 23:20.59 | zerojayPC | qwerty12_N810: I prefer the integration. :) |
| 23:21.06 | Macer | not for irc at least |
| 23:21.11 | Macer | zerojayPC: heh. i'm usually the same way |
| 23:21.16 | Macer | didn't know there was a plugin for it ;) |
| 23:21.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, fair enough :) |
| 23:21.23 | zerojayPC | It's in RTCOMM. |
| 23:21.52 | Macer | what does it do? |
| 23:21.59 | zerojayPC | The plugin? |
| 23:22.09 | Macer | crash when someone with ` in their name sends something onto irc? |
| 23:22.19 | Macer | stares at lbt |
| 23:22.20 | Macer | haha |
| 23:22.23 | Macer | ` ` ` ` ` ` |
| 23:22.30 | zerojayPC | No... for some reason, certain people's names just don't show up when they talk. |
| 23:22.35 | zerojayPC | For example, Stskeeps. |
| 23:22.46 | Macer | heh |
| 23:22.51 | Macer | are you sure it's not a font color thing? ;) |
| 23:23.16 | zerojayPC | All of his messages to the channel appear as channel events and don't have his name prefixed, so you can't tell who is saying what. |
| 23:23.23 | zerojayPC | Macer: 100% sure. :) |
| 23:23.26 | Macer | lol |
| 23:23.29 | Macer | ok. just checking |
| 23:23.41 | Macer | like maybe everybody who starts with "S" uses a white font and you have a white background |
| 23:23.44 | Macer | heh |
| 23:24.05 | Macer | or maybe the app uses random coloring for different nicks |
| 23:24.07 | zerojayPC | Yeah, it's not like that. There's just no text for his name written at all... no blank empty space either. |
| 23:24.08 | Macer | in order to keep things seperated |
| 23:24.11 | zerojayPC | Nope. |
| 23:24.15 | Macer | oh |
| 23:24.17 | Macer | yeah that is odd |
| 23:24.27 | Macer | maybe he has some odd ascii character in his nick that nobody knows about |
| 23:24.43 | Macer | what's the name of the app? |
| 23:24.48 | zerojayPC | I was seeing it last night and I neglected to take a screenshot, so I'm sitting here just waiting for him or someone else to talk. |
| 23:24.56 | Macer | can i install it from application manager? i'll do that and see if i can reproduce it |
| 23:24.56 | zerojayPC | Macer: It's just the default internet chat program. |
| 23:25.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe it dislikes Danes =) |
| 23:25.10 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: well. he'll be a pole soon |
| 23:25.11 | Macer | :) |
| 23:25.20 | zerojayPC | Me too. Especially that Claire Danes. |
| 23:25.23 | Macer | so i'm sure it has something to do with that |
| 23:25.28 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 23:25.49 | Macer | zerojayPC: hm. where do i find the plugin? |
| 23:25.58 | zerojayPC | RTCOMM. |
| 23:26.25 | zerojayPC | The installer is in extras, I think. |
| 23:26.36 | Macer | and what's the installer called? |
| 23:26.39 | Macer | just irc plugin? |
| 23:27.07 | zerojayPC | RTCOMM Installer Beta, I believe. |
| 23:27.20 | zerojayPC | Installs other plugins as well, such as MSN support. |
| 23:27.40 | Macer | not seeing it ;) |
| 23:27.43 | zerojayPC | Nice having that integration without needing Pidgin. |
| 23:27.45 | Macer | and i have all the repositories |
| 23:28.07 | zerojayPC | Oh, there's another repo for that maybe. |
| 23:28.20 | Macer | rtcom-beta-os2008? |
| 23:28.35 | zerojayPC | check out http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org I think. |
| 23:28.39 | zerojayPC | The repo might be there. |
| 23:29.05 | Macer | k |
| 23:29.10 | zerojayPC | rtcomm-beta-installer |
| 23:29.11 | zerojayPC | v0.7 |
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| 23:31.16 | zerojayPC | Looks like the Nokia/Microsoft thing is an announcement for Office coming to Nokia phones. |
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| 23:33.13 | zerojayPC | GAN800: Hey.. say something quick. |
| 23:33.52 | Macer | it's trying to install teh installer now |
| 23:33.56 | Macer | installing an installer hah |
| 23:34.21 | zerojayPC | Read the warnings on the RTCOMM site, by the way. |
| 23:34.37 | Macer | uh oh |
| 23:34.39 | Macer | lol |
| 23:35.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps uses irssi BTW, if that helps |
| 23:35.24 | Macer | lol |
| 23:35.32 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: 80% of irc does |
| 23:35.56 | Macer | zerojayPC: but i'd like the point out that it is beta ;) |
| 23:36.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh |
| 23:36.02 | lcuk | the other 40% still use microsoft excell to chat in irc |
| 23:36.03 | Macer | it's right in teh pkg name |
| 23:36.08 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, quick! |
| 23:36.29 | qwerty12_N810 | uses netcat |
| 23:36.39 | zerojayPC | GAN800: Thanks. Helped me find another bug that won't be fixed. ;) |
| 23:36.53 | GAN800 | Wooo! |
| 23:37.07 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, it's all about keeping score now. :D |
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| 23:37.20 | GAN800 | Gotta have a number we can parade out. ;) |
| 23:37.29 | zerojayPC | On my PC, I saw you join and it showed your name as "GAN800"... tablet said it was "gan800" in lowercase.. but uppercase when you spoke. |
| 23:37.57 | zerojayPC | Not hard to see I used to do QA work, is it? :/ |
| 23:39.04 | Macer | ok |
| 23:39.08 | Macer | how do i join a # ;) |
| 23:39.20 | Macer | it is connected to freenode now. do i just add a # as a contact or something? |
| 23:39.21 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, I learned to do QA work thanks to Maemo. :( |
| 23:39.43 | zerojayPC | Macer: choose "New Chat" from the contacts menu. |
| 23:40.00 | zerojayPC | In the window that comes up, choose the "Join Chat Room" from the File menu or similar. |
| 23:40.12 | zerojayPC | Select the IRC account, then type in the chatroom name #maemo. |
| 23:40.34 | zerojayPC | GAN800: Granted, doing QA work on games is slightly different than the tablets, but eh.. |
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| 23:40.45 | MaceN810 | wow |
| 23:40.58 | MaceN810 | that is a lot of steps for irc |
| 23:41.00 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 23:41.08 | zerojayPC | Heh.. it showed your name as "maceN810" on my tablet when you joined. |
| 23:41.19 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, I sometimes think about testing games like Oblivion while playing. . . . |
| 23:41.28 | GAN800 | I'd kill myself, I think. |
| 23:41.40 | MaceN810 | shouldnt it? |
| 23:41.42 | zerojayPC | It's definitely not what most people expect it to be. |
| 23:41.56 | zerojayPC | MaceN810: No, it should be "MaceN810". |
| 23:42.08 | MaceN810 | er |
| 23:42.13 | MaceN810 | well |
| 23:42.24 | MaceN810 | hold on. need su8w |
| 23:42.26 | zerojayPC | Poor Andre... he's going to grow to hate me and my pickiness. :) |
| 23:42.28 | GAN800 | The number of combinations you have to test for for one simple mission. . . . |
| 23:42.35 | GAN800 | No thanks. |
| 23:42.47 | andre___ | zerojayPC, not at all :) |
| 23:42.48 | MaceN810 | well |
| 23:42.55 | MaceN810 | hav to disable the sound for this |
| 23:42.58 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, buy him a beer at the Summit and all will be well. |
| 23:42.59 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 23:43.01 | zerojayPC | andre___: Good. ;) |
| 23:43.03 | MaceN810 | that chirping would drive me crazy |
| 23:43.09 | andre___ | but i take the beer, yeah :-P |
| 23:43.13 | MaceN810 | but this is pretty nice zerojayPC |
| 23:43.17 | zerojayPC | GAN800: Would if I could, but I doubt I'll be out there to give it to him. :) |
| 23:43.21 | MaceN810 | i like the integration too |
| 23:43.25 | MaceN810 | :) |
| 23:43.26 | zerojayPC | MaceN810: Yeah, it's simple, but it works. It's not bad. |
| 23:43.38 | MaceN810 | but the noise |
| 23:43.43 | MaceN810 | i need to find out where to disable that |
| 23:43.43 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, you apply for sponsorship? |
| 23:43.46 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 23:44.24 | zerojayPC | GAN800: No, I haven't. I haven't really been around the community all that much recently, so I don't think I'd feel right taking it from someone else that's been more deserving. |
| 23:44.32 | MaceN810 | ooooooook |
| 23:44.35 | zerojayPC | But we'll see. |
| 23:44.35 | MaceN810 | that's better |
| 23:44.39 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 23:44.42 | zerojayPC | Maybe I'll apply anyways. |
| 23:44.49 | MaceN810 | yah.. this is way better than xchat ;) |
| 23:44.59 | MaceN810 | zerojayPC, thanks |
| 23:45.07 | MaceN810 | now let's see if these names disappear |
| 23:45.12 | MaceN810 | where's sts when you need him? |
| 23:45.38 | GAN800 | zerojayPC, do. |
| 23:45.57 | zerojayPC | Yeah, think I will. |
| 23:46.06 | zerojayPC | Better apply for my passport then, eh? lol |
| 23:46.08 | GAN800 | Since if I have any say in it (and I might just ;)) I'd definitely approve. |
| 23:46.18 | GAN800 | Yeah, me too. . . . |
| 23:46.30 | zerojayPC | Thanks, I appreciate hearing that. |
| 23:46.56 | GAN800 | Hopefully Nokia doesn't screw you over again. :D |
| 23:47.44 | GAN800 | They're going to book tickets for you in pengunbait's name or something. |
| 23:48.04 | GAN800 | Holy fuck. |
| 23:48.14 | GAN800 | Scientology commercials now. . . . |
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| 23:49.46 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 23:49.54 | MaceN810 | still seeing names |
| 23:49.59 | MaceN810 | maybe it was a fluke ;) |
| 23:51.17 | zerojayPC | Maybe. |
| 23:51.24 | zerojayPC | Gotta wait for the big names to start talking. |
| 23:51.30 | zerojayPC | Maybe they were ops at the time.. dunno. |
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| 23:51.43 | zerojayPC | There's definitely something screwy though. |
| 23:52.09 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, which of my bitter trollings were you laughing at today? ;) |
| 23:52.35 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Oh, the wonderful one towards the um.... "open source advocate". ;) |
| 23:52.53 | zerojayPC | Classic. |
| 23:55.31 | *** join/#maemo divide_by_zero (n=nwerneck@189.78.125.50) |
| 23:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, yes, dropping support for 4-year-old $4,000 machines is TOTALLY valid. |
| 23:58.21 | zerojayPC | No, not that one.. the other message he left where he says "Nokia to abandon open source?" |
| 23:58.26 | zerojayPC | Moron, haha. |
| 23:58.59 | GeneralAntilles | zerojayPC, yeah, sorry, I understood, just moving on to another piece of Talk idiocy. ;) |
| 23:59.15 | zerojayPC | GeneralAntilles: Oh, do link me. |
| 23:59.40 | GeneralAntilles | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=311019&postcount=40 |
