| 00:00.18 | javispedro | and of course, I should learn not to rant so much, cause I was wrong this time. Sorry for wasting your time. |
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| 00:20.18 | Macer | hm |
| 00:20.31 | Macer | is there a front end for openssh |
| 00:20.48 | Macer | like one where you can save passwords? |
| 00:21.02 | Macer | or at least addresses |
| 00:24.44 | Macer | see! |
| 00:24.52 | Macer | typical gtk type crap |
| 00:25.05 | Macer | gftp has ok/cancel swapped |
| 00:25.08 | Macer | lol |
| 00:25.21 | Macer | from the "norm" |
| 00:25.59 | Macer | this is the type of inconsistency that makes me despise stuff based on gtk |
| 00:26.05 | glass | hah |
| 00:37.26 | ideamonk | is away: I'm busy |
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| 01:38.27 | johnx | Macer, use your /etc/hosts file to "save" address->name mappings |
| 01:38.34 | johnx | and use public keys instead of passwords |
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| 04:41.31 | Macer | hello |
| 04:41.51 | Macer | anybody here use abiword? |
| 04:42.11 | Macer | actually... is there an openoffice for arm or maemo |
| 04:42.32 | Macer | or, does abiword have cups support? |
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| 05:04.45 | Macer | anybody try digia? |
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| 05:25.19 | RST38h | Hehe, Slashdotters apparently do not like the PrankNet |
| 05:25.42 | RST38h | "it is the group's efforts to degrade and frighten targets that makes it even more odious" |
| 05:25.59 | RST38h | Who would think that geeks will be afraid of the Anonymous? |
| 05:29.05 | johnx | FWIW I think they're a bunch of dicks and I do hope they get in shit for telephone fraud or whatever applies |
| 05:29.48 | RST38h | johnx: Dicks they may be, but how stupid their victims should be to fall for this stuff? |
| 05:30.54 | johnx | AFAIK, being stupid doesn't mean you aren't protected by the law |
| 05:31.07 | RST38h | johnx: Again, that was not my question :) |
| 05:32.01 | RST38h | johnx: Also, I fail to see how you would sue a person who talks people into drinking their own urine over the phone |
| 05:32.38 | RST38h | Especially if this is done without any monetary gain |
| 05:35.32 | johnx | also, you seem to have misread the article a bit, but abusing peoples' instinct to trust authority in this way doesn't win them any points with the law |
| 05:35.59 | RST38h | johnx: Impersonating police officer is a federal offense, actually |
| 05:36.41 | RST38h | johnx: So, I am sure prosecution will bring up at least this one |
| 05:37.56 | RST38h | Hotel employees and fire alarm company representatives are fair game though, as far as I know |
| 05:38.25 | johnx | I'm sure they'll get 'em on something |
| 05:38.30 | RST38h | Yep. |
| 05:38.37 | johnx | even a misdemeanor will be a wakeup call for a lot of them I bet |
| 05:38.54 | RST38h | They have pissed too many people to get off with a misdemeanor |
| 05:39.05 | johnx | heh. good for them |
| 05:39.10 | johnx | they wanted publicity :) |
| 05:39.19 | RST38h | But I think the hearing will be fun :) |
| 05:39.35 | johnx | the questions will be great |
| 05:39.42 | RST38h | Oh yes...and the answers... |
| 05:39.45 | johnx | I hope to god there's a recording I can get my hands on |
| 05:39.50 | RST38h | form the victims, you know... |
| 05:40.44 | johnx | I mean of the hearings when they happen :) |
| 05:41.55 | RST38h | Oh well, time to go to work |
| 05:42.48 | johnx | have fun |
| 05:43.37 | Stskeeps | morning johnx |
| 05:43.45 | johnx | morning Stskeeps |
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| 05:49.19 | hk | i want to make a tip that is half transparency,which widget i should use in maemo ? |
| 05:49.44 | hk | i know there is a GtkTooltips in linux. |
| 05:50.16 | hk | Is there a replacement in maemo ? |
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| 06:03.04 | keesj | Hi |
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| 06:05.50 | Stskeeps | morning keesj |
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| 06:31.36 | Macer | heh |
| 06:33.34 | Zakkmm | macer: how well does the printing work? |
| 06:34.19 | Macer | well. for things that support it... it works great |
| 06:34.40 | Macer | just like a normal box witnh cups on it |
| 06:34.51 | Zakkmm | supports windows printer sharing? |
| 06:35.10 | Macer | i used to use pb's kde 3.5 port with koffice on my n800 |
| 06:35.14 | Macer | yeah |
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| 06:35.22 | Macer | it is a full blown cups install |
| 06:35.35 | Zakkmm | oh that port was sick. bit slow tho |
| 06:35.40 | Macer | i use it with my networked laser |
| 06:35.44 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:35.49 | Macer | but it had koffice |
| 06:35.58 | Macer | with cups support within kde |
| 06:36.20 | Macer | hildon apps rarely, if at all, have cups support |
| 06:36.24 | Zakkmm | cause in september going to use tablet for skool. would be nice to print at friends house easily |
| 06:37.05 | Zakkmm | need cup flag? does mer compile with it? |
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| 06:37.48 | Zakkmm | i love easymer hahh wish solca ccontinued nitdroid. had potential. |
| 06:37.55 | Macer | dont know honestly |
| 06:38.08 | Macer | i have a g1 |
| 06:38.16 | Zakkmm | ohh niceee |
| 06:38.22 | Macer | android on the n810 seemed pointless |
| 06:38.35 | Macer | no sound.. printing... |
| 06:38.40 | Zakkmm | heh got 800. wish i got 810 |
| 06:38.40 | Macer | slower hardware |
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| 06:39.22 | Macer | the qwertty is nice once you break in your thumbs |
| 06:39.52 | Macer | i still have to try getting the vpnc stuff going in maemo |
| 06:39.55 | Zakkmm | heh i hate onscreen. typing on nokia now. |
| 06:40.39 | Macer | i honestly gave up on mer. i think i will see about getting src and building debian pkgs against maemo to see if i can get stuff going |
| 06:41.16 | Zakkmm | easymer is good. gives sound thumb keyboard and all. |
| 06:41.30 | Macer | the mer guys want their complete and open maemo and ubuntu distro which is great, but they dont want to backport maemo |
| 06:41.34 | johnx | Macer: so, out of curiosity, why do you think people don't build debian packages against maemo? |
| 06:41.49 | johnx | what does "backport maemo" mean? |
| 06:42.10 | Macer | johni didnt say that |
| 06:42.10 | Zakkmm | hey johnx |
| 06:42.16 | johnx | hey Zakkmm |
| 06:42.48 | Zakkmm | the new nokia looks sick. saw screenshots earlier. |
| 06:43.03 | Macer | i said the mer devs are avoiding building within rthe maemo env because they need to concentrate on things running in mer |
| 06:43.32 | Macer | im sure it is easily possible to build debian pkgs for maemo |
| 06:43.39 | johnx | :) |
| 06:43.41 | Macer | i need to try |
| 06:43.44 | Zakkmm | mer development is fine. ;p |
| 06:44.00 | Macer | Zakkmm: i didnt say anything was wrong with it |
| 06:44.07 | johnx | Macer: go for it then, but that's why I started my standalone debian project |
| 06:44.41 | Macer | johnx: yeah. i want to see about using os2008 as the hal |
| 06:44.51 | Zakkmm | do u know why my backlight changes brightness on its own? |
| 06:44.59 | Macer | and build apps with cups support |
| 06:45.03 | johnx | light sensor |
| 06:45.15 | Zakkmm | can i turn it off |
| 06:45.24 | Macer | maybe see about getting openoffice to build |
| 06:45.44 | johnx | Macer: if you pull that off you'll have some serious bragging rights |
| 06:45.55 | Zakkmm | openoffice is slow lol |
| 06:45.58 | Macer | heh |
| 06:46.02 | johnx | I think it took quite a while to get openoffice building/running even under native debian on arm |
| 06:46.34 | Macer | johnx: you guys got it working? |
| 06:46.59 | johnx | nope, the debian guys got it working I thought. or do they still not have it? |
| 06:47.42 | Macer | wbrb |
| 06:47.49 | Zakkmm | openoffice sucks ;p abiword and gnumeric ftw |
| 06:50.47 | Macer | Zakkmm: i would agree if they could print in maemo |
| 06:50.57 | Macer | althouugh maybe |
| 06:51.09 | Zakkmm | so rebuild it with cups? |
| 06:51.15 | Macer | i can build them with cups support and pkgt them |
| 06:51.19 | johnx | Zakkmm++ |
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| 06:51.24 | Macer | haha |
| 06:51.26 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:51.38 | johnx | aaah, I thought you mean the "debian.org" debian packages |
| 06:51.40 | Macer | sounds like a plan |
| 06:52.03 | Zakkmm | openoffice is so much for tablet too. all u want is printing. just rebuild it |
| 06:52.04 | Macer | maybe. whatever src works |
| 06:52.25 | Macer | openoffice runs on my 300MHz G3 |
| 06:52.27 | Zakkmm | abiword has official maemo port doesnt it? |
| 06:52.32 | Macer | ;) |
| 06:52.39 | Macer | yes |
| 06:52.43 | Macer | with no printing |
| 06:52.47 | Macer | heh |
| 06:52.49 | Zakkmm | thats faster than tablet isnt it |
| 06:52.55 | Myrtti | LaTeX ⥠|
| 06:53.03 | Macer | doubt it |
| 06:53.10 | Zakkmm | so rebuild with cups. should work fine |
| 06:53.12 | Macer | bbl |
| 06:53.16 | Macer | yeah |
| 06:53.20 | Macer | i will try |
| 06:53.30 | Macer | have to install cups first |
| 06:53.41 | Macer | which i cant do on internal flash |
| 06:53.59 | Macer | going tgo copy to sd now..well ""@s |
| 06:54.02 | Macer | er |
| 06:54.08 | Macer | "sd" |
| 06:59.12 | chx | wow *printing* from *this* ? |
| 06:59.17 | chx | you guys are crazy! |
| 06:59.22 | chx | positively crazy |
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| 07:00.42 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 07:00.54 | MaceN810 | i was trying to use this script... |
| 07:01.12 | chx | MaceN810: you compile on the tablet? :P that'd be fantastic |
| 07:01.45 | MaceN810 | ./nupgrade.sh 0 clone internal ext3 |
| 07:02.32 | Zakkmm | isnt that for like os2007 |
| 07:03.46 | MaceN810 | Unable to identify target device and partition with a valid Linux filesystem (type 83) |
| 07:03.53 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 07:04.10 | MaceN810 | did 2007 have ext3? |
| 07:04.33 | Zakkmm | you have to load ext3.ko module |
| 07:04.43 | Zakkmm | dont u? |
| 07:05.20 | Zakkmm | ive always used console-tools and pb to clone ;p |
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| 07:05.49 | MaceN810 | looking at the script now |
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| 07:08.14 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 07:08.23 | MaceN810 | /dev/mmcblk0p2 : start= 273408, size= 3658752, Id=83, bootable |
| 07:08.51 | MaceN810 | dont understand why it isnt working |
| 07:09.00 | MaceN810 | yes |
| 07:09.00 | MaceN810 | and loaded |
| 07:10.02 | Zakkmm | use console-tools ;p |
| 07:10.05 | MaceN810 | i just made an ext3 part on it |
| 07:10.10 | MaceN810 | works fine |
| 07:10.11 | Zakkmm | full gui |
| 07:10.26 | MaceN810 | for cloning os? |
| 07:10.58 | Zakkmm | yeah |
| 07:11.11 | Zakkmm | penguinbait made |
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| 07:12.40 | MaceN810 | Package console-tools is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 07:12.54 | Zakkmm | google console-tools v1 |
| 07:12.57 | Stskeeps | have to install from penguinbaits 80's page |
| 07:12.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:15.22 | MaceN810 | sts? |
| 07:15.29 | Stskeeps | penguinbait.com i think |
| 07:16.50 | Zakkmm | google console-tools v1 and goto first link |
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| 07:30.26 | MaceN800 | downloading it now |
| 07:30.49 | MaceN800 | there used to be a wiki that showed you how to sd clone by hand |
| 07:36.23 | MaceN800 | wow |
| 07:36.29 | MaceN800 | pretty awesome stuff |
| 07:36.42 | Stskeeps | just wait until you hear the wav.. |
| 07:36.45 | MaceN800 | hope it boots heh |
| 07:38.24 | MaceN800 | uhm |
| 07:38.25 | MaceN800 | wav? |
| 07:38.27 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:38.44 | MaceN800 | like rootkit? lol |
| 07:38.56 | MaceN800 | say it isnt so |
| 07:39.45 | MaceN800 | ze tablet haz de rootkit |
| 07:41.16 | MaceN800 | i should have set up xchat first |
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| 07:42.47 | MaceN800 | blah. let me take a time out |
| 07:43.14 | MaceN800 | maemo is the only time i have liked xchat |
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| 07:55.13 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:55.32 | Stskeeps | morning Jaffa |
| 07:55.39 | X-Fade | Morning |
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| 07:56.22 | MaceN800 | what wav? |
| 07:56.23 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 07:56.32 | MaceN800 | boots fine |
| 07:57.25 | Stskeeps | it'll sneak up on you eventually |
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| 07:57.36 | MaceN800 | haha |
| 07:57.48 | MaceN800 | uhm. ok |
| 07:57.56 | MaceN800 | :) |
| 07:58.13 | MaceN800 | think i am done playing for now |
| 07:58.32 | MaceN800 | i need to learn how to build on the tablet itself in maemo |
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| 07:58.51 | MaceN800 | sounds like a pain |
| 07:59.15 | Stskeeps | it is |
| 07:59.17 | MaceN800 | libs and gcc and other misc stuff that wont work out the box for maemo |
| 07:59.22 | Stskeeps | might as well give up and use SDK |
| 07:59.27 | Stskeeps | and that's where the headache starts |
| 07:59.42 | MaceN800 | wanted to build on native hardware |
| 07:59.59 | MaceN800 | heh |
| 08:00.05 | Stskeeps | *shrug* |
| 08:00.56 | MaceN800 | well, figured it would be better since i am actually using it |
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| 08:01.38 | MaceN800 | boots tho..so thats a treat |
| 08:02.09 | MaceN800 | 1.2 G free |
| 08:02.33 | MaceN800 | added the maemo splash while i was at it |
| 08:03.07 | RST38h | All righty |
| 08:03.24 | RST38h | What is new and exciting? Anyone found a laser pointer on that N9x0 picture already? |
| 08:03.41 | Stskeeps | we are wondering wtf the stylus is doing at that spot, yeah |
| 08:03.50 | Stskeeps | if there's a laser pointer, that'd be awesome |
| 08:03.55 | Stskeeps | it would actually come with lasers |
| 08:03.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:04.31 | RST38h | Maybe you are not supposed to use the stylus full time |
| 08:04.43 | MaceN800 | hahahaha |
| 08:04.46 | RST38h | Check out 5800 for reference - it has also got a rudimentary stylus in about the same spot |
| 08:05.17 | MaceN800 | maybe the laser acts as a click/tap |
| 08:05.36 | Mek | if it has a laser, I haven't figured out yet how to turn it on... :P |
| 08:06.10 | Stskeeps | 5800 one or RX-51? :P |
| 08:06.13 | RST38h | Mer: Thank you for mentioning it. Black helicopters are on their way. |
| 08:06.14 | MaceN800 | welp. done with this stuff |
| 08:06.36 | MaceN800 | going to work on gcc and gmake tomorrow i guess |
| 08:06.59 | MaceN800 | maybe i can use the sdk for that part |
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| 08:07.25 | Stskeeps | i'll be bringing the popcorn |
| 08:14.44 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 08:15.03 | X-Fade | Jaffa: pong |
| 08:16.17 | Jaffa | X-Fade: can you do me a favour and get all the distinct alterego_internettablettalk URLs out of the midgard account db; in as raw and crude format as you like? |
| 08:17.16 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Do you need a mapping or only a list of the urls? |
| 08:17.25 | Jaffa | X-Fade: A list of the URLs is fine. |
| 08:17.38 | Jaffa | Don't need to know the corresponding account name |
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| 08:22.22 | MaceN810 | oops |
| 08:22.32 | MaceN810 | :) |
| 08:24.24 | roope | Good morning. |
| 08:24.55 | RST38h | EHLO ROOPE |
| 08:25.21 | MaceN810 | i should turn on xchat timestamping |
| 08:25.30 | MaceN810 | just so nothing else fits |
| 08:26.01 | MaceN810 | hm |
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| 08:33.28 | wazd | hello all |
| 08:37.32 | RST38h | helo wazd |
| 08:37.40 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Mail sent |
| 08:38.06 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 08:38.54 | wazd | someone got the idea to play multitask with 4 players and have 2048 highscore :) |
| 08:39.25 | RST38h | what multitask? |
| 08:39.34 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.kongregate.com/games/IcyLime/multitask |
| 08:39.51 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ta muchly |
| 08:39.59 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'm working on 9.08-05 |
| 08:41.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I'll also email anyone who has an invalid URL |
| 08:42.49 | X-Fade | If we have a list of email addresses + accounts from talk, we could try to automatically match. |
| 08:43.13 | RST38h | wazd: mhm, what a time waster.... |
| 08:43.19 | RST38h | wazd: Better go troll someone =) |
| 08:43.21 | X-Fade | For those accounts without url set yet. |
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| 08:48.12 | Andy80 | any of you has ever used gobject signals from python? (using pygobject) |
| 08:50.02 | wazd | RST38h: yep) |
| 08:50.11 | wazd | RST38h: I'm gonna troll my army dep now |
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| 09:24.28 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: does builder put source releases in repo without there being a compiled version of it? |
| 09:24.51 | lbt | X-Fade: did you write anything to submit .dsc to OBS? You took a look at my scripts IIRC |
| 09:24.53 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Should not. |
| 09:24.57 | Stskeeps | (as in, if there's a source package in fremantle extras-devel, are we sure there's also a succesfully build deb) |
| 09:25.28 | MaceN810 | seriously |
| 09:25.38 | MaceN810 | where is this light sensor control |
| 09:25.38 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Source packages only get into the repo through the incoming queue. Packages only come into the incoming queue when a build succeeds. |
| 09:25.44 | Stskeeps | alright |
| 09:25.48 | MaceN810 | this shit is driving me nuts |
| 09:25.49 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: MCE |
| 09:25.52 | Stskeeps | closed source, too |
| 09:26.03 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: So at least armel or i386 must have worked ;) |
| 09:26.09 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: good enough for us |
| 09:26.13 | MaceN810 | where do you disable it? |
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| 09:26.41 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: not sure you can |
| 09:26.44 | MaceN810 | sts: good that it is |
| 09:26.44 | MaceN810 | nobody should use it |
| 09:26.52 | X-Fade | lbt: No I haven't worked on that. -ENOTIME i'm afraid. |
| 09:27.19 | MaceN810 | where the hell do i disable this shit |
| 09:27.55 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: remove "filter-brightness-als" from /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 09:28.01 | lbt | X-Fade: OK. |
| 09:28.31 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: I've got a version that only uses the light sensor to change the brightness on the keyboard if you're interested |
| 09:28.41 | X-Fade | lbt: Once I have the complete community qa/promotion thing working, I will have more time to work on it. |
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| 09:29.15 | lbt | ok - but you've seen enough so it'll slot in :) |
| 09:29.31 | MaceN810 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21713 |
| 09:29.32 | MaceN810 | wtf |
| 09:29.44 | MaceN810 | all that to disable a sensor |
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| 09:30.02 | MaceN810 | maybe the advanced display has it as an option |
| 09:30.14 | RST38h | wazd: bad idea, one wrong move and you are defending ossetia against evil georgians for the next year =) |
| 09:30.31 | lbt | X-Fade: is dir listing disabled for http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle on purpose? |
| 09:31.14 | X-Fade | lbt: Yes, but for extras it is a side effect :( |
| 09:31.50 | lbt | OK - I'll manage |
| 09:31.55 | X-Fade | lbt: For the sdk it is disabled, and these settings are global within the caching network. |
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| 09:32.33 | yigal | is there any hardware on the horizon that has a larger screen than n8x0 and can easily run mer/maemo? |
| 09:33.20 | yigal | i want 6" screen, that would be incredible |
| 09:34.04 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Hi, any idea why my maemo.org profile suddenly has lost the ability to "see" my Talk amount, despite having the URL for my profile filled in? I've lost a chunk of karma :( |
| 09:34.42 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It might be that during recalc, itt wasn't responding? |
| 09:35.06 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: How long has this been this way? |
| 09:35.54 | qwerty12_N810 | I noticed it midday yesterday, and it's still the same currently. Maybe it'll come back of its own accord :) |
| 09:36.23 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Yeah, recalcs happen every 2 days orso. |
| 09:36.31 | wazd | RST38h: next Summit in Osetia, anyone? :D |
| 09:36.38 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Ah, OK, thank you |
| 09:37.43 | wazd | ok, gtg, bbl, cyall, whatever :) |
| 09:38.08 | MaceN810 | qwerty... sure, where? |
| 09:38.28 | yigal | ok, ok i get it no real new hardware for me |
| 09:40.19 | wazd | yigal: Smart Q7 |
| 09:40.31 | wazd | yigal: It's already here I suppose |
| 09:41.28 | yigal | but isn't the cpu, mem etc roughly that of the n8x0? |
| 09:45.08 | yigal | a bit beefier than a n8x0 |
| 09:45.16 | yigal | owell |
| 09:46.42 | X-Fade | lbt: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/fremantle/ Should be listable now or soonish ;) |
| 09:47.07 | lbt | hey, thanks :) |
| 09:47.22 | MaceN810 | qwerty |
| 09:47.30 | MaceN810 | that is awesome ;) |
| 09:47.43 | MaceN810 | can i host it somewhere? |
| 09:48.03 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: sure.. but I wouldn't call it legal... |
| 09:48.08 | yigal | vagalume 2 internet windows and a term running ssh w/irssi on a server the n8x0 are useful but i want more power, ha ha ha |
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| 10:07.21 | RST38h | wazd: In the tunnel. |
| 10:17.50 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: carrick actually seems easy to get working on maemo |
| 10:17.54 | Stskeeps | it's fairly simple GTK stuff |
| 10:18.00 | Stskeeps | (connman) |
| 10:18.47 | qwerty12_N810 | I hope you mean: in Mer :) |
| 10:19.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: tbh i meant both |
| 10:19.49 | Stskeeps | but yeah |
| 10:21.08 | qwerty12_N810 | In Maemo I'd have no interest as icd2 works above and beyond (for the networks I use it for, anyway) but it'd be nice in Mer |
| 10:21.11 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:21.28 | Stskeeps | i have a task for it but not doing it just yet |
| 10:21.33 | qwerty12_N810 | One just has to run the settings to see that it has no place in Mer. |
| 10:21.41 | Stskeeps | networkmanager, you mean |
| 10:21.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep |
| 10:21.55 | Stskeeps | saju found out that the UI is entirely in gtkbuilder |
| 10:21.58 | Stskeeps | and fairly easy adaptable |
| 10:22.29 | Stskeeps | (i agree though) |
| 10:22.42 | Stskeeps | i'd much rather have connman |
| 10:22.45 | qwerty12_N810 | The underpinnings of it, however, aren't and I just plain hate it :) |
| 10:23.04 | qwerty12_N810 | It was a PITA on my desktop and even more so on my tablet |
| 10:23.27 | Stskeeps | we would have gone with connman at start if it wasn't so immature at that poitn |
| 10:23.30 | Stskeeps | it looks better now though |
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| 10:32.11 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: what's your main gripes with Mer currently? (out of curiousity) |
| 10:32.58 | qwerty12_N810 | I wouldn't know as I haven't booted into it recently |
| 10:33.04 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 10:53.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: nice catch on the "nodev" thing |
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| 10:57.41 | RST38h | what is the nodev thing btw? |
| 11:02.09 | _berto_ | i don't know if you're talking about that one, but 'nodev' is a mount option |
| 11:07.51 | lbt | Jaffa: badger curl :) |
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| 11:16.47 | Jaffa | lbt: done |
| 11:16.57 | lbt | thanks |
| 11:17.42 | lbt | is about to import fremantle extras-devel into OBS |
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| 11:37.48 | Jaffa | lbt: exciting. I look forward to seeing Attitude in Mer ;-) |
| 11:39.40 | wazd | ok, for Maemo Multitask we can use q/a, up/down, accelerometer and zoom :) |
| 11:40.52 | wazd | any volunteer developers? :D |
| 11:41.26 | Stskeeps | i wonder if there's one or two accelerometers |
| 11:41.28 | Jaffa | What's "Maemo Multitask"? |
| 11:43.35 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, one is enough IMO |
| 11:43.44 | Stskeeps | VDVsx: k |
| 11:43.46 | aol | how are the closed source / commercial apps viewed by the maemo community? do people thing everything should be open source in this platform or do people actually buy the commercial apps ? |
| 11:43.56 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: http://www.kongregate.com/games/IcyLime/multitask |
| 11:44.02 | Stskeeps | aol: there's differing views |
| 11:44.30 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, but a compass will be very handy for sure :) |
| 11:44.32 | Jaffa | aol: Historically the few commercial end-user apps don't seem to have faired well. |
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| 11:45.37 | aol | jaffa: I can imagine that, but now it seems maemo will go to "mainstream" and I'm pretty sure there will be ovi store in the maemo phones |
| 11:45.58 | aol | I'm just thinking what to do with my closed source project |
| 11:46.15 | Stskeeps | aol: people are mostly about about just debs at times. |
| 11:46.25 | X-Fade | aol: It also depends on what the app is and what you charge. |
| 11:47.05 | Stskeeps | aol: if you have a really neat app, you rely on the goodness of community, and charge 2 dollars over paypal, you would probably get a decent income, even with simple piracy |
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| 11:47.44 | Stskeeps | or with simple MAC address verification |
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| 11:48.03 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: Imei ;) |
| 11:48.06 | aol | currently it is donationware, but it does not cover my expenses, so in addition to the free version I plan to do a "pro" version with added features |
| 11:48.27 | aol | it is very niche app |
| 11:48.31 | Stskeeps | aol: what app are you doing btw? |
| 11:48.32 | aol | for motor racing |
| 11:49.02 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: IMEI is a good one now, yeah, difficult to hack |
| 11:49.05 | Stskeeps | as in, user-difficult |
| 11:49.07 | VDVsx_ | Jaffa, btw, when you guys plan to start the sponsorship process for the summit ? |
| 11:49.27 | aol | www.racechrono.com ... I just love maemo so that's why I'd like to port it over ... not because I think I will make any money.. but still like to keep it closed source |
| 11:49.41 | Jaffa | VDVsx_: It's blocked on having the accomodation sorted, so we know the budget. |
| 11:49.47 | Jaffa | Although some can be done straight off. |
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| 11:50.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Diablo has already proved that the MAC address can be spoofed per-application |
| 11:50.28 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: sure, but it takes a dedicated effort to crack it |
| 11:50.36 | Stskeeps | and if price < time of trouble, people might buy it |
| 11:50.38 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: With preloading you can probably always do that. |
| 11:50.52 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: But that is fo $79 apps or so. |
| 11:51.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'd pay 2$ to avoid having to hack something. |
| 11:51.11 | X-Fade | Yeah, me too. |
| 11:51.13 | RST38h | yawns |
| 11:51.26 | RST38h | qwerty: How do you spoof it at per-app basis? =) |
| 11:51.29 | VDVsx_ | Jaffa, yup, accomodation must be sorted soon, as somebody pointed on tmo, Amsterdam is a very 'busy' city |
| 11:51.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: That'll come with it being a phone. There's a shitton of Symbian cracking groups |
| 11:51.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah, i know |
| 11:51.55 | RST38h | The problem is nobody will sell you an app for $2 |
| 11:52.04 | RST38h | In fact, anything <$5 is not worth developing |
| 11:52.15 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: like X-Fade said: preloading :) |
| 11:52.34 | qwerty12_N810 | libmacspoof works well |
| 11:52.35 | RST38h | Yea, preloading will work, but you have to prove to Nokia that it is worth their money |
| 11:52.48 | RST38h | Which you have 0% chance of succeeding with |
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| 11:53.08 | aol | preloading costs money to the app developer |
| 11:53.16 | aol | nokia does not pay anything for the apps preloaded |
| 11:53.25 | Stskeeps | nono, we're talking about LD_PRELOAD |
| 11:53.27 | RST38h | aol: Then there is no profit there, next idea. |
| 11:53.31 | RST38h | Oh |
| 11:53.34 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm talking about LD_PRELOAD |
| 11:53.37 | RST38h | qwerty: I GOT IT! Sorry |
| 11:53.42 | RST38h | qwerty: Of course :) |
| 11:53.45 | aol | ah ok sorry |
| 11:53.59 | aol | I'm such a noob |
| 11:55.32 | Macer | 04:22 < Stskeeps> MaceN810: MCE |
| 11:55.32 | Macer | 04:22 < Stskeeps> closed source, too |
| 11:55.36 | Macer | heh |
| 11:55.44 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: he's right |
| 11:55.54 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: interestingly enough, you "met" me on iPmart before #maemo :P |
| 11:55.59 | Stskeeps | Macer: just because it's closed source doesn't mean it's not leaked. |
| 11:56.22 | Macer | Stskeeps: lol.. if that were teh case i'd be playing an n64 emulator on my n810 |
| 11:56.50 | Macer | in mer |
| 11:56.52 | Macer | running compiz |
| 11:56.53 | Macer | :) |
| 11:57.12 | Stskeeps | Macer: 3d driver was for an old kernel and not released or leaked, so |
| 11:57.25 | Macer | Stskeeps: i know. i was just joking about the gpu |
| 11:57.26 | Stskeeps | and thinking we can run compiz with it is a bit extreme |
| 11:57.27 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:58.10 | Macer | if a gma can do it. then damnit.. so can a powervr :) |
| 11:58.12 | Macer | ! |
| 12:00.56 | RST38h | qwerty: What is iPmart? =) |
| 12:01.32 | RST38h | does not remember visiting this particular forum |
| 12:02.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Used to be called iphone, let me dig up the post :P |
| 12:02.24 | RST38h | No waaaay...me? in iphone forum? =) |
| 12:02.52 | qwerty12_N810 | It was called iphone before the Apple one... |
| 12:02.53 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: are you maad? :) |
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| 12:03.41 | RST38h | Ah, that stillleaves me a chance at redemption =) |
| 12:03.50 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd: Of course! MUHAHAHA:p |
| 12:04.19 | RST38h | wazd: Sane people use iPaqs. |
| 12:04.39 | RST38h | But they are boring |
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| 12:05.54 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: i have a linksys "iphone" |
| 12:05.58 | Macer | it's a wifi skype phone |
| 12:06.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Grr.. I can't find it, maybe I am *going* mad... |
| 12:06.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: heh |
| 12:06.24 | qwerty12_N810 | I think I remember a fight with Apple over that one |
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| 12:06.41 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: I gess cisco owned that tm |
| 12:06.51 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: they had an iPhone before |
| 12:07.05 | Macer | lol |
| 12:07.29 | Macer | did apple say they owned the rights to iEverything? |
| 12:07.47 | Macer | like nokia with the "N-Series" |
| 12:08.10 | Macer | they just recently filed a patent/tm/whatever for C-Series |
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| 12:08.20 | Macer | maybe they are going to call ti a C900 |
| 12:08.28 | wazd | Macer: they patented "i" key on your keyboard :) |
| 12:08.35 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 12:08.41 | Macer | is that where it went? |
| 12:08.53 | Macer | i have some chinese symbol in its place |
| 12:08.58 | RST38h | Or X900 |
| 12:09.00 | qwerty12_N810 | ï can't let them get away with it! |
| 12:09.22 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: only capital I works |
| 12:09.26 | Macer | they didn't patent that one |
| 12:09.49 | qwerty12_N810 | But this is "i" with two dots :) |
| 12:10.07 | Macer | no. they took those too... you don't think apple is international? |
| 12:10.26 | Macer | heh.. bbl |
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| 12:10.32 | Macer | have to wait for n810 to charge a bit |
| 12:10.41 | Macer | it died on me from me doing so much crap off the battery last night to it |
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| 12:11.16 | Macer | it lasted about 6 hours before i had to charge it :) which is longer than my shitty aspire1 lasts |
| 12:11.33 | Macer | maybe if i dim the aspire1 screen to the lowest setting it might make it to like.. 5 hrs |
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| 12:23.24 | MaceN810 | blah |
| 12:24.14 | MaceN810 | wondering if i should work on trying to get gcc and gmake going |
| 12:26.23 | MaceN810 | someone has to have done it |
| 12:26.30 | MaceN810 | :) |
| 12:26.52 | RST38h | Going where? |
| 12:27.03 | RST38h | The touchbook? ;) |
| 12:27.13 | MaceN810 | lol |
| 12:27.15 | MaceN810 | no |
| 12:27.42 | MaceN810 | a dev enviroment ON the n810 |
| 12:27.55 | MaceN810 | to build pkgs on the device itself |
| 12:28.03 | MaceN810 | in maemo |
| 12:28.32 | RST38h | Ah, GCC already exists for n810 |
| 12:28.39 | RST38h | You can get it from the repo |
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| 12:29.35 | Stskeeps | building pkgs on busybox is insane though |
| 12:29.44 | Stskeeps | i'd give up alreadyy |
| 12:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | Rating things on maemo.org should not leave me waiting for 20 seconds. |
| 12:30.13 | Mek | I know someone that once even managed to built Qt on the n810... (only compiling qt-webkit took too much memory I think) |
| 12:31.32 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: I will remove the special case then. ;) if ($username == "GA") sleep(20); |
| 12:32.17 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 12:32.25 | MaceN810 | well i am looking for gcc |
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| 12:36.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: Still using those 770s? |
| 12:37.19 | GeneralAntilles | Lacking AT&T 3G support is going to suck. |
| 12:37.30 | GeneralAntilles | But it totally wont surprise me at this point. |
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| 12:40.06 | MaceN810 | which repo has gcc? |
| 12:40.21 | RST38h | Macer: Check with PackRat, I do not remember |
| 12:40.53 | aol | does either one of AT&T or T-Mobile use same 3G frequencies that are used in europe? |
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| 12:43.27 | MaceN810 | Add http://repository.maemo.org/sdk with components sdk/free and |
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| 12:44.41 | X-Fade | is taking bets on how long it will take before MaceN810 will complain about reboot loop |
| 12:45.35 | MaceN810 | reboot loop? |
| 12:47.04 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh |
| 12:47.15 | GeneralAntilles | shouldn't re-read old discussions on Talk. |
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| 12:47.32 | GeneralAntilles | goes to work. |
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| 12:48.18 | MaceN810 | lol |
| 12:48.41 | RST38h | You are now rereading OLD discussions? |
| 12:48.50 | RST38h | No, that is not normal, definitely not normal, man =) |
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| 12:49.21 | RST38h | Unless you are doing it to determine if talk really degenerated lately |
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| 12:55.13 | MaceN810 | wtf |
| 12:55.38 | MaceN810 | it just removed a TON of crap |
| 12:55.52 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: can I bet now? |
| 12:56.10 | MaceN810 | hahahaha |
| 12:56.26 | MaceN810 | no biggie |
| 12:56.42 | wazd | http://s54.radikal.ru/i146/0908/20/34a7da07bd90.jpg <- :D |
| 12:56.44 | MaceN810 | just have to clone back from flash and try again |
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| 12:57.29 | qwerty12_N810 | "XXX KEEP CLEAR"? |
| 12:58.13 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: have you seen Amsterdam flag?) |
| 12:58.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Good point :D |
| 12:58.27 | wazd | qwerty12_N810: it says "we have lots of porno here!" :D |
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| 13:00.51 | ideamonk | is away: I'm busy |
| 13:01.24 | RST38h | qwerty: I am sure it is Fremantle window-close icons |
| 13:02.33 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 13:04.35 | RST38h | Ahahaha, they finally baited Quim out of his lair |
| 13:04.41 | Macer | wow |
| 13:04.44 | Macer | really screwed that up :) |
| 13:04.44 | Macer | haha |
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| 13:04.50 | Macer | thank god i still have that flash set up |
| 13:04.55 | Macer | just have to copy it back |
| 13:05.05 | X-Fade | Macer: That is why I was taking bets ;) |
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| 13:05.13 | Macer | X-Fade: well.. it seems like it can be done though |
| 13:05.19 | Macer | if you can get it to not remove pkgs :) |
| 13:05.20 | X-Fade | Macer: Shotgun, foot ... aim :) |
| 13:05.23 | Macer | and still install gcc :) |
| 13:05.27 | Macer | and the other stuff |
| 13:05.41 | Macer | maybe some apt-get flat |
| 13:05.49 | Macer | flag.. to NOT remove things and force the install? |
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| 13:06.50 | Macer | X-Fade: i'd probably have cared if i screwed up something serious.. but i can just keep taking the 2 mins to re-copy the flash over to the sd partition |
| 13:06.55 | Macer | until i figure out how to get it installed :) |
| 13:07.03 | Macer | it will be great if i can just use the n810 itself to build with |
| 13:08.16 | X-Fade | Macer: If you want to wait 5 days with the n810 attached to a charger, sure. |
| 13:08.25 | Macer | X-Fade: that's fine |
| 13:08.26 | Macer | ;) |
| 13:08.38 | Macer | as long as it can be done |
| 13:08.46 | Macer | and i can build natively on the n810 |
| 13:08.49 | Mek | just create a cluster of n810's and use distcc or something :) |
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| 13:09.12 | Macer | Mek: that's the spirit! |
| 13:09.17 | X-Fade | You probably need to install bash and all the other native tools too, instead of using the busybox ones. |
| 13:09.55 | Macer | just have to figure it out one step at a time |
| 13:10.02 | Macer | i just can't see someone making the pkgs for them to simply not work |
| 13:10.18 | qwerty12_N810 | They do work... in the SDK |
| 13:10.46 | Macer | the sdk is an emulated arm enviroment? |
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| 13:12.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, it uses Scratchbox which gets QEMU to emulate an ARM processor on the desktop. There's also an X86 target which is intended for testing on the desktop as QEMU's emulation is not perfect |
| 13:13.48 | Macer | then if it works in an emulator it should work on the device :) |
| 13:13.49 | Macer | heh |
| 13:14.29 | Mek | you can also make scratchbox use an n810 or something as arm processor instead of qemu I think |
| 13:15.13 | Macer | i mean if an n810 is supposed to be a "portable computer" |
| 13:15.13 | Macer | sure it's a little slow |
| 13:15.16 | Macer | but damnit.. it should be able to have its own dev enviroment :) |
| 13:15.17 | RST38h | watches this in amazement: why can't all these people just cross compile Maemo stuff on PC? |
| 13:15.30 | Macer | RST38h: haha |
| 13:15.48 | Macer | RST38h: because i want to use my n810 as my netbook :-P |
| 13:16.24 | Macer | for internets and maemo pkg ports |
| 13:17.05 | RST38h | It is no netbook |
| 13:17.10 | X-Fade | I'd just ssh to a box with more power. |
| 13:17.18 | RST38h | Using it like that is just as silly as compiling 6502 stuff on a NES |
| 13:17.36 | rkirti | RST38h: to the cross-compile part, maybe because maemo is just too unclean to do that ? :-P |
| 13:17.51 | RST38h | rkirti: My apps cross compile just fine |
| 13:18.33 | rkirti | RST38h: what build-system? |
| 13:19.11 | RST38h | make |
| 13:19.37 | rkirti | scrolls up and checks the logs.. |
| 13:20.18 | rkirti | RST38h: you are talking of within Scratchbox probably... I guess I misunderstood your statement to mean normal cross-compilation |
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| 13:20.42 | Guest71576 | Hi! So is maemo fully open-source now or it isn't? |
| 13:20.57 | rkirti | RST38h: with gcc4.3 even native compilation of osso libs and hildon is a pain (outside scratchbox) |
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| 13:24.19 | Macer | rkirti: isn't taht kind of sad? |
| 13:24.20 | Macer | :) |
| 13:24.46 | rkirti | Macer: it is, but not too much with Mer patches to the rescue ;-) |
| 13:25.09 | Macer | rkirti: Stskeeps explained the problem with getting mer going |
| 13:25.30 | Macer | and although they have made outstanding progress.. i think it would be easier to just build on top of maemo with the closed stuff and use it as a hardware layer |
| 13:25.50 | Macer | seems easier to just use what is known to work on the hardware |
| 13:27.04 | lbt | kost-bebix: Mer is the most open version of maemo and we still have closed bloba |
| 13:28.06 | Macer | haha |
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| 13:28.47 | Macer | i have to fix some stuff on my internal flash install |
| 13:28.52 | Macer | like having the repository set up |
| 13:28.58 | RST38h | rkirti: I mean using host tools inside SB |
| 13:29.00 | Macer | i'm sure i'm going to be cloning it a FEW times |
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| 13:29.08 | RST38h | rkirti: Which is equal to cross compilation |
| 13:29.42 | RST38h | lbt: Who cares about closed blob or two, does Mer full work now? |
| 13:30.14 | lbt | it has worked for ages... it depends on *your* definition of work |
| 13:30.31 | lbt | it didn't work for me this weekend 'cos I wanted liqbase for notes... |
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| 13:31.38 | RST38h | lbt: My definitions of "work" is video works, audio works, network works, UI works, most commonly used Maemo apps work |
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| 13:32.02 | RST38h | And all of this out of the box of course :) |
| 13:32.12 | lbt | RST38h: ask me again in january |
| 13:32.22 | Macer | RST38h: forgot printing and included office apps ;) |
| 13:34.18 | Macer | ok |
| 13:34.20 | Macer | take 2 :) |
| 13:34.22 | RST38h | lbt: Got it |
| 13:34.31 | Macer | cloning the flash to the sd |
| 13:34.36 | Macer | to fix what i totally broke haha |
| 13:34.38 | RST38h | does not care about printing and the office, Nokia's Maemo does nt support those out of the box |
| 13:34.43 | Macer | why must it remove all that stuff? :) |
| 13:34.48 | RST38h | But GPS should work, yes |
| 13:34.48 | Macer | it removes all the osso-stuff |
| 13:35.10 | Stskeeps | gps works :P it's a hack, but it does |
| 13:35.23 | kost-bebix | lbt: thanx) |
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| 13:37.07 | Macer | i do hope mer is great when you guys finish it. til then tho. stock maemo seems the way to go on an n8x0 |
| 13:37.34 | Stskeeps | we never claimed overwise. |
| 13:37.40 | RST38h | Sts: no I mean it should work out of the box, not after you follow 3 pages of HOWTO =) |
| 13:38.10 | RST38h | But if you do manage to finish it, it should rule the world =) |
| 13:39.09 | Stskeeps | RST38h: reliance on the blob distribution and restricted image, after that, it's really easy |
| 13:40.05 | Stskeeps | did i mention location tech is a differentiation area? :P |
| 13:41.05 | Macer | have to look at the apt-get manpage to see if i can install this crap |
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| 13:41.10 | Macer | without removing everything |
| 13:41.29 | RST38h | Sts: Well, maps maybe, but the interface to the damn 5300 chip?!? |
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| 13:42.07 | Stskeeps | RST38h: closed source and declined for oss |
| 13:42.33 | RST38h | ehehehe |
| 13:43.03 | Macer | maybe you guys should have started from scratch with some hardware from a company that isn't nearly as anal |
| 13:43.09 | Stskeeps | either way, what i was refering to was libgpsmgr and libgpsbt |
| 13:43.15 | Stskeeps | we did; x86 :) |
| 13:43.37 | RST38h | Chinese started manufacturing and selling iTablets before Apple came out with theirs: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/10/ramos-t6-pmp-dont-need-no-buttons/ |
| 13:43.39 | Macer | lol |
| 13:43.58 | Macer | Stskeeps: you should be lined up and shot just for saying that :) |
| 13:44.07 | RST38h | cackles evilly |
| 13:45.01 | Macer | loving the maemo.org splash screens |
| 13:45.31 | lcuk | lbt, whats up wiv liqbase and blobs |
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| 13:47.14 | lcuk | ahhh misread - liqbase not in mer yet |
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| 14:00.58 | lopz | hi |
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| 14:10.12 | lbt | lcuk: liqbase doesn't work in Mer yet... so I had to use maemo over the w'end |
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| 14:12.02 | Jaffa | Interesting stat of the day: there are 2,426 tmo accounts which are eligible to vote on their own merit which aren't associated with maemo.org accounts. Including such people as jeremiah, ARJWright, b-man, thoughtfix, mobiledivide |
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| 14:12.47 | Jaffa | And 74 people have tried to link their accounts but given the wrong URL. |
| 14:13.55 | Jaffa | Ah, thoughtfix is in both sets |
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| 14:14.58 | Andy80 | Jaffa, why don't they have a maemo.org account? |
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| 14:18.51 | VDVsx | Jaffa, wow, worst that I thought :(, at least some have maemo.org accounts already :) |
| 14:19.30 | Jaffa | Andy80: They might do. I'm not trying to do auto-matching, since it's trivial to find an example which fails |
| 14:20.32 | Jaffa | Andy80: They're going to get an email saying: "here's how to create and/or update your account to make sure you get the karma you're owed" |
| 14:20.39 | Andy80 | Jaffa, well... we cannot force people... maybe they're not interested |
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| 14:21.18 | Jaffa | Andy80: Who said I was going to force anyone? I'm making sure they're aware. |
| 14:21.34 | Andy80 | Jaffa, I wasn't saying that :) |
| 14:21.45 | Andy80 | myabe I explained in a bad way :P |
| 14:21.46 | Jaffa | Given karma feeds into device programmes (when run), I imagine most people /would/ care. |
| 14:22.08 | Stskeeps | i would say in order to include people in the community, i would spam them with info they can link |
| 14:22.20 | Stskeeps | that'd make people feel more welcome |
| 14:22.29 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:22.43 | Jaffa | "they can link"? |
| 14:22.54 | Stskeeps | link their m.o to t.m.o account |
| 14:23.20 | Jaffa | Are you being sarcastic, or not? :) |
| 14:24.55 | X-Fade | We plan to create an account link page for SSO, where you need to login to all different services on one page. |
| 14:25.08 | X-Fade | But that is not something we have yet. |
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| 14:27.16 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: i'm not being sarcastic, but i do see that you said it just before :) |
| 14:27.48 | Jaffa | :) |
| 14:27.51 | Stskeeps | when i say link i mean include info about which TMO account is yours, in your MO profile. |
| 14:28.18 | Jaffa | Just wanted to check me spamming 2,392 people wasn't a really bad idea. |
| 14:28.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: And what if we did email matching? |
| 14:29.03 | Jaffa | X-Fade: And auto-create links? I'd have to ask Reggie to give me the feed with email address included. |
| 14:29.57 | Jaffa | X-Fade: If you've got the time to auto-create links if I give you a CSV/TSV file containing tmo profile URLs and email addresses which should be setup, I can give you that no problem. |
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| 14:30.18 | khertan_athome | Hello ! |
| 14:31.25 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Do we assume that these people have a maemo.org account then? |
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| 14:33.02 | Stskeeps | 'lo khertan_athome |
| 14:33.34 | wazd | khertan_athome: heya |
| 14:33.58 | khertan_athome | 'lo Stskeeps and wazd |
| 14:34.47 | wazd | khertan_athome: I've sent you an e-mail but looks like you've missed it :) |
| 14:35.29 | Jaffa | X-Fade: You'd then have to give me any back which didn't match. Or provide a list of all maemo.org accounts & email addresses, and I'll do the matching and give you the results; and then give I've got the list of others to spam |
| 14:36.19 | khertan_athome | <wazd> khertan_athome: I've sent you an e-mail but looks like you've missed it :) << look like you have missed mine, or it was stay in the out box ... |
| 14:36.23 | khertan_athome | let me see ... |
| 14:36.58 | khertan_athome | right ... my email is still in the modest out box ... |
| 14:37.05 | khertan_athome | really not a reliable email client |
| 14:37.09 | khertan_athome | so ... |
| 14:37.41 | khertan_athome | i doing many changes in morganize ... so i think i ll ask you for icon a bit latter ... |
| 14:37.51 | wazd | khertan_athome: k :) |
| 14:37.54 | khertan_athome | as i m refining the ui |
| 14:38.09 | khertan_athome | for something more smoothy |
| 14:39.05 | khertan_athome | ok ... i still doesn't understand how to rebuilt a stupid lib available on debian in maemo |
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| 14:39.29 | khertan_athome | still FAILED depandancy everywhere by extras devel autobuilder |
| 14:39.53 | X-Fade | khertan_athome: Which lib? |
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| 14:40.17 | khertan_athome | hippo-canvas-0.3.0 |
| 14:40.41 | khertan_athome | seems to require python-central as depandancy |
| 14:41.11 | khertan_athome | which require po4a |
| 14:41.22 | qwerty12_N810 | I'll do it for you if you wish, my scratchbox (save for Transmission) is sitting empty |
| 14:41.59 | khertan_athome | i ll like it :) |
| 14:42.26 | khertan_athome | the purpose behind this lib is to use it with python binding ... :) |
| 14:42.32 | X-Fade | khertan_athome: python-central is available in extras-devel already? |
| 14:42.54 | khertan_athome | it s seems not ... |
| 14:43.07 | X-Fade | Looking at fremantle atm. |
| 14:43.17 | khertan_athome | but i can retrieving with an apt-get source |
| 14:43.34 | khertan_athome | X-Fade: it s not a autobuilder problem ... |
| 14:44.29 | khertan_athome | it's a keyboard-chair interface problem |
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| 14:45.02 | fiferboy | wazd: Hi! |
| 14:45.33 | khertan_athome | qwerty12_N810: if you have the time ... the exact lib is : python-hippocanvas :) |
| 14:45.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Sure, I'll be able to do it today :) |
| 14:46.07 | X-Fade | khertan_athome: It is in fremantle extras-devel, but not diablo/chinook. |
| 14:46.27 | khertan_athome | yep ... :) |
| 14:46.31 | khertan_athome | i just understand it :) |
| 14:46.44 | khertan_athome | and an other lib is required too |
| 14:47.13 | khertan_athome | python-hippocanvas |
| 14:47.21 | khertan_athome | librsvg2-dev |
| 14:59.05 | khertan_athome | qwerty12_N810: ping ? |
| 14:59.18 | qwerty12_N810 | yessir? |
| 15:06.33 | khertan_athome | qwerty12_N810: you think you can upload the py binding for me to extras-devel ? |
| 15:06.48 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm working on it now :-) |
| 15:09.19 | khertan_athome | thanks ! |
| 15:09.41 | khertan_athome | this is for a gtk widget : http://i32.tinypic.com/dzforl.png |
| 15:09.52 | khertan_athome | a custom made gtk widget in python ... |
| 15:10.20 | khertan_athome | so the lib to increase performance |
| 15:10.29 | khertan_athome | so the lib is used to increase performance |
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| 15:24.08 | lcuk | heh khertan_athome i have done similar views in vb - the overlapping events algorithm is a bitch aint it! |
| 15:24.15 | lcuk | lookin sweet tho! |
| 15:24.54 | khertan_athome | héhé |
| 15:25.54 | lcuk | khertan, i gather from that view being bigger than 800*480 you have been playing with running on normal desktop |
| 15:26.21 | lcuk | having something consistent for people to use on normal pc and also on tablets would be a really nice thing |
| 15:26.29 | lcuk | especially so since it will have grown out of the tablet |
| 15:26.36 | lcuk | and not been tried to squish down |
| 15:29.35 | khertan_athome | :) |
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| 15:29.40 | khertan_athome | this is the purpose ... |
| 15:30.42 | khertan_athome | to be able to share the same apps between maemo and a desktop (i say desktop as i would like that it s run on windows too ... but will be difficult with gtk) |
| 15:31.00 | khertan_athome | and there is a sync with a server |
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| 15:31.23 | khertan_athome | but nothing is finished yet |
| 15:31.37 | khertan_athome | the server sync is just a prototype |
| 15:31.43 | lcuk | heh, aint that the truth, beers at the summit again? |
| 15:31.56 | khertan_athome | i hope too :) |
| 15:32.26 | lcuk | excellent, need to get rat arsed on friday night, im presenting sunday morning |
| 15:32.34 | lcuk | cant be out late then lol |
| 15:32.36 | khertan_athome | and i hope that there will be also sponsorship for me :) |
| 15:32.46 | khertan_athome | héhé |
| 15:33.12 | khertan_athome | and hope that there will be sponsored device for developpers of the n9x0 |
| 15:33.16 | khertan_athome | :) |
| 15:37.12 | lcuk | a sposnsored device :D "this device isbrought to you by Khertan" |
| 15:37.18 | qwerty12_N810 | khertan_athome: hippo-canvas uploaded to diablo extras-devel (chinook and Fremantle'll follow soon) :). Built it locally and installed on my N810. Didn't do extensive (*cough*) testing but "import hippo" worked :) |
| 15:37.38 | qwerty12_N810 | (oh, it's still building, yet, I mean) |
| 15:38.09 | khertan_athome | THANK A LOT QWERTY12 ! |
| 15:41.19 | khertan_athome | you now that now i didn't use anymore a sqlite db :) |
| 15:41.30 | khertan_athome | it s now a standard format : icalendar :) |
| 15:42.03 | khertan_athome | so i ll return to my code ... and wait for the availability in the repository ... |
| 15:42.11 | khertan_athome | again ... thx qwerty12 ! |
| 15:42.17 | qwerty12_N810 | np :) |
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| 16:02.12 | lbt | Jaffa: apt-get install libparse-debcontrol-perl too please (this import verification is getting tedious!) |
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| 16:04.38 | Jaffa | lbt: done |
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| 16:04.52 | lbt | thanks again |
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| 16:16.32 | wazd | RST38h: http://mobile-review.com/cgi-bin/nokia_n97.pl?option=show <- lawl, same widget contest, Russian Edition :) |
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| 16:18.44 | wazd | that was cool :) |
| 16:19.05 | alterego | Has someone pushed libhildon-ruby1.8 binaries into extras-devel? |
| 16:21.01 | GAN800 | Hi, alterego. :) |
| 16:21.09 | alterego | Hey antilles :) |
| 16:21.25 | Talus_Laptop | so when will a real phone use maemo os? |
| 16:21.35 | alterego | I'm slightly confused, |
| 16:21.56 | alterego | I'm trying to upload my ruby-maemo junk to extras and it appears someone else managed to push infront of me ^_^ |
| 16:22.09 | alterego | It's my own fault for being crap I guess. |
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| 16:23.10 | alterego | It looks like someone has modded the ubuntu build of ruby to work on maemo, which is cool. |
| 16:24.00 | alterego | Oh, someone has reimplemented libhildon-ruby .. |
| 16:24.27 | alterego | Now I feel like a right dick. |
| 16:28.39 | Jaffa | Talus_Laptop: About n months, when Rover is released (from the look of it) |
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| 16:31.23 | ukki | alterego: http://blogs.gnome.org/sudaltsov/2009/07/21/ruby-on-maemo-second-coming/ |
| 16:31.30 | alterego | Yeah, kjust found it ukki |
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| 16:32.00 | alterego | I guess I only need to upload my other bindings then. |
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| 16:33.41 | ukki | alterego: osso and conic would be nice |
| 16:33.50 | alterego | Would you like my list? ;) |
| 16:34.50 | ukki | your bindings are more mature, but the current hildon works ok |
| 16:35.31 | alterego | His code is cleaner :/ |
| 16:35.34 | alterego | ^_^ |
| 16:35.56 | ukki | but he is the realman |
| 16:36.13 | Talus_Laptop | :) |
| 16:36.15 | ukki | so it goes without saying |
| 16:36.22 | ukki | check the makefile |
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| 16:38.09 | alterego | I don't understand. |
| 16:38.21 | alterego | Is there something wrong with his Makefile?> |
| 16:38.40 | alterego | Well, he shouldn't actually be using a makefile at all. |
| 16:38.45 | alterego | But that's beside the point ;) |
| 16:39.00 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12 |
| 16:39.10 | qwerty12 | alterego: Hi, please feel free to increment and upload your Ruby stuff. I only uploaded the ones that were publically available as a favour to ukki as he wanted to put Rubybox in Extras. Your bindings are better anyway. |
| 16:39.16 | qwerty12 | Thank you Stskeeps |
| 16:39.20 | ukki | no, but it showed that his username is realman |
| 16:39.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:40.05 | alterego | qwerty12: okay. I'm putting most of my code under ruby-gnome2, got access to their SVN earlier today. |
| 16:41.00 | qwerty12 | Ironically, I don't really like the language :P |
| 16:41.13 | alterego | I feel a bit ashamed really. |
| 16:41.21 | alterego | That someone had to duplicate the effort. |
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| 16:42.39 | alterego | I'll probably break everyones code if I upload my version .. |
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| 16:42.56 | qwerty12 | -devel is there for a reason :) |
| 16:43.01 | alterego | Heh, sure :) |
| 16:43.22 | ukki | alterego: that would be just me and svu |
| 16:44.42 | ukki | mine is easy to fix back, not sure about svu |
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| 16:45.15 | qwerty12 | He never promoted to Extras, to my knowledge, so he could probably be persuaded |
| 16:47.27 | ukki | current hildon bindings did fix one crash bug though |
| 16:48.37 | alterego | Which one was that ukki ? |
| 16:49.01 | alterego | And by "which one" I mean, "There was a crash bug?" ^_^ |
| 16:50.37 | ukki | yes, it crashed ruby |
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| 16:52.04 | ukki | not saying it wasn't my fault, but i would have liked an error message more than a crash |
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| 17:20.10 | alterego | uzzi, what did you to to make it crash? |
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| 17:25.04 | ukki | alterego: nevermind, it was probably just a threading issue in my code |
| 17:25.14 | alterego | Oh, okay. |
| 17:27.52 | konttori__ | I finally took the time (5 minutes) to check ruby properly. While looking nice, and actually even nicer that python, I wonder if there are any efficient interpreters available (that maemo could actually use, so jruby and ironruby are out of the window) |
| 17:28.10 | konttori__ | and by properly, I mean scratched the surface enough to have an idea what's inside. |
| 17:28.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:28.50 | alterego | I don't know if ruby1.9 will be better, should be. |
| 17:29.28 | alterego | If mono or java could be accellerated, then that would be an improvement. |
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| 17:30.19 | ukki | konttori__: ruby isn't that bad on maemo |
| 17:30.52 | alterego | It's ruby-gnome2 gtk inclusion that kills it .. |
| 17:31.15 | konttori__ | hmmph. how so? |
| 17:31.29 | konttori__ | also, one might try to say that javascript also is quite fast on maemo. |
| 17:31.30 | alterego | I've just noticed that that is where programs stall when they run. |
| 17:31.40 | konttori__ | which is only a matter what you compare it against |
| 17:32.13 | alterego | Sure, but I see Ruby as a binding language. Anything that requires speed should be written in C. |
| 17:32.20 | alterego | Then bound to Ruby :) |
| 17:33.31 | konttori__ | ah, python has tail-recursion optimizations since 1.9. nice |
| 17:33.38 | konttori__ | eh, ruby, not python. |
| 17:35.41 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Sorry for those errors on fremantle, should be gone now. |
| 17:36.26 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Cool, thanks, I'll reupload tomorrow |
| 17:36.45 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It interpreted warnings as errors :) |
| 17:36.58 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh :) |
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| 17:38.56 | konttori__ | interesting. Looks like the two even out pretty well when stacked against each other (well, microbenchmark, but who cares) http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=yarv&lang2=python3&box=1 |
| 17:39.47 | konttori__ | alterego: yeah, indeed, anything that needs speed should be written in c/c++/asm and then exposed to python/ruby/javascript |
| 17:39.58 | konttori__ | and the apps should be built on those. |
| 17:40.53 | konttori__ | interestingly lua is faster than ruby: http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=yarv&lang2=lua&box=1 |
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| 17:41.55 | konttori__ | and luajit looks damn impressive http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=yarv&lang2=luajit&box=1 |
| 17:42.04 | ukki | ruby developer actually said that jruby is faster than ruby |
| 17:43.18 | konttori__ | sure, but that would need the java env to be available |
| 17:43.32 | alterego | jruby is somewhat incomplete. |
| 17:43.34 | konttori__ | interestingly luajit is faster than c# on mono. |
| 17:43.51 | ukki | yeah, but that must be somewhat embarrassing :) |
| 17:44.21 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:44.24 | konttori__ | sure, but hey, it's on the same ballpark as c++ code. |
| 17:44.32 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 17:44.44 | lcuk2 | konttori__, but none are faster than a pure dedicated full bodied real mans language |
| 17:44.45 | konttori__ | actually loosing on memory use to luajit for certain cases. |
| 17:44.46 | konttori__ | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=luajit&lang2=gpp&box=1 |
| 17:45.03 | konttori__ | sure, that's why I only write asm |
| 17:45.03 | lcuk2 | all this interpretted shit is no better than qbasic |
| 17:45.15 | alterego | Hahah |
| 17:45.17 | lcuk2 | knows the irony, since i do visual basic in the daytime |
| 17:45.29 | lcuk2 | asm |
| 17:45.31 | lcuk2 | you pussy |
| 17:45.44 | alterego | Hows your liquid stuff coming along lcuk2 ? |
| 17:46.07 | lcuk2 | not bad, i went to the toilet before |
| 17:46.48 | lcuk2 | konttori__, you should be entering binary opcodes directly by sparking bare wires |
| 17:47.32 | alterego | No gupnp in extras-devel for diablo :( |
| 17:47.39 | lcuk2 | alterego, its actually doin ok |
| 17:47.53 | ukki | alterego: i just had to install one webapp at work, that was written with rails, but it runs under apache tomcat with jruby |
| 17:47.55 | konttori__ | sure. Hmm.. I don't like luas syntax that much, but kudos for the jit implementation. |
| 17:47.55 | lcuk2 | i have a lot of things, im just a bit stuck in a transition to database |
| 17:47.56 | alterego | lcuk2: cool, |
| 17:48.17 | konttori__ | zeenix: see above ! |
| 17:48.21 | lcuk2 | its actually slower than the old system! |
| 17:48.21 | ukki | i wonder what they offered in the meeting where they decided the platform |
| 17:48.28 | alterego | Awww |
| 17:48.28 | konttori__ | alterego: No gupnp in extras-devel for diablo |
| 17:48.41 | lcuk2 | which bytecode does it use |
| 17:48.57 | alterego | konttori__: I know, I said that :P IT should be there though ^_^ |
| 17:48.58 | lcuk2 | is it javacode or whatever its called, or the MS one |
| 17:49.11 | konttori__ | ah, I see. |
| 17:49.17 | alterego | Sounds like both lcuk2 |
| 17:49.49 | lcuk2 | well if its javacode, isnt there a chance it can be put into the jazelle hardware on omap |
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| 17:49.58 | lcuk2 | and get an even more impressive boost |
| 17:50.07 | alterego | lcuk2: even mono should be able to take advantage of jazelle |
| 17:50.28 | lcuk2 | cool, tho i dont like mono |
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| 17:50.35 | alterego | I do :P |
| 17:50.43 | alterego | I also, hate java ^_^ |
| 17:50.45 | lcuk2 | well, its not mono as such |
| 17:50.53 | lcuk2 | but .net itself which puts me off |
| 17:51.13 | alterego | I like C#, |
| 17:51.28 | konttori__ | I love how debian.org defines Groovy features in quotes :) âagileâ âdynamicâ âjava compatibleâ lol. can you be more sarcastic than that. |
| 17:51.33 | alterego | .NET well, that's kind of something else. |
| 17:51.41 | lcuk2 | alterego, some of the classes aren't built nicely |
| 17:51.46 | lcuk2 | and have missing features |
| 17:51.56 | konttori__ | jazelle aparently gives very little boost to even java. |
| 17:52.02 | alterego | It's still relatively immature though |
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| 17:52.08 | lcuk2 | mostly tho, its not the runtime, its the ide |
| 17:52.11 | lcuk2 | which i suppose can change |
| 17:52.15 | lcuk2 | well mono is tracking .net |
| 17:52.18 | lcuk2 | and thats had 8 years |
| 17:52.21 | lcuk2 | and i still hate it |
| 17:53.45 | lcuk2 | heads off to the mine to do some coding |
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| 18:00.11 | alterego | Was there some information somewhere about porting debian proper packages to maemo? |
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| 18:00.14 | javispedro | jazelle dbx gives a modest boost to java, jit is usually faster |
| 18:00.29 | alterego | Or do I just throw the debian source package at the auto builder and hope for the best :) |
| 18:00.31 | javispedro | on the other side, thumb2ee ... who knows. |
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| 18:06.58 | zakkm | alterego: throw at autobuilder :D |
| 18:07.42 | zakkm | alterego: theres easy debian if you want to run it for yourself, or mer which has debian repositories i believe, and gets the arm version of it and runs fine. |
| 18:07.54 | alterego | cool |
| 18:08.12 | alterego | I don't know whether to concentrate on maemo5 or continue with maemo4. |
| 18:08.20 | alterego | IS the device coming out this year> |
| 18:08.36 | zakkm | supposed to be september i think. |
| 18:08.40 | zakkm | or october |
| 18:08.48 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 18:08.53 | zakkm | dont like Mer? |
| 18:09.01 | alterego | I've not used Mer |
| 18:09.13 | zakkm | which tablet you got? |
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| 18:09.17 | alterego | N810 |
| 18:09.23 | zakkm | mer would be nice then :) |
| 18:09.32 | zakkm | "full" ubuntu repositories. |
| 18:09.41 | alterego | Sure, but it's not the defacto. |
| 18:09.42 | zakkm | can have gnome, xfce, fvwm-crystal, fluxbox.. w.e |
| 18:09.48 | alterego | need to support users. |
| 18:09.48 | zakkm | defacto? |
| 18:10.04 | zakkm | ? |
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| 18:21.58 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 18:22.54 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:41.44 | Stskeeps | i wonder how many apps will be in extras if we make the "template debian package maker" - graphics + sound = fart apps, porn, whatever |
| 18:41.48 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:42.02 | alterego | What is the "template debian package maker"? |
| 18:42.06 | alterego | It sounds magic. |
| 18:42.41 | Stskeeps | alterego: seemingily the reason iphone store has so many is that you can easily make templated applications - so you have 1000 applications with the only difference is the resources changes (images, sounded), and bulk upload them |
| 18:42.48 | Stskeeps | many apps, that is |
| 18:42.54 | Stskeeps | and sell for 1 USD each |
| 18:43.40 | alterego | Oh, like facebook apps :) |
| 18:44.06 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 18:44.11 | javispedro | lol :) |
| 18:44.20 | Stskeeps | of course we can't look ourselves in the mirror if we had such a thing for maemo extras. |
| 18:44.30 | alterego | That's an awesome idea, are you doing it? ;) |
| 18:44.37 | Stskeeps | it is entirely possible to make though, one source package, many binary packages |
| 18:44.44 | alterego | I want to pick my top 5 favorite debian packages! |
| 18:45.21 | Stskeeps | i really wonder how much copyrighted material is in all the iphone apps |
| 18:45.30 | Stskeeps | there can't be that big variety of fart sounds. |
| 18:45.42 | alterego | Heh |
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| 18:46.10 | Stskeeps | but seriously, that's why there's so many apps in the iphone app store. once there's a bunch of apps, everyone thinks it's an appealing platform |
| 18:46.16 | Stskeeps | simple psychology |
| 18:46.38 | javispedro | chicken and egg problem? |
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| 18:47.07 | alterego | Cripes, what timezone is garage.maemo.org in ^_^ |
| 18:47.48 | alterego | Should this worry me?: ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/setup_build |
| 18:48.23 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, every fart is unique |
| 18:48.30 | lcuk2 | no 2 taste the same |
| 18:48.45 | javispedro | lcuk2, you say that because you own the ultimate farting software platform? |
| 18:48.48 | javispedro | ;) |
| 18:48.52 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:48.52 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk2: prove it |
| 18:49.05 | X-Fade | alterego: gmt+3 and no, that was my bug, but not to worry about it. |
| 18:49.08 | lcuk2 | im sorry, im too busy heaving after typing that |
| 18:49.13 | Stskeeps | the ultimate app: the generic fremantle desktop applet |
| 18:49.24 | lcuk2 | alterego, im just making a template package right now actually :) |
| 18:49.25 | Stskeeps | tap it and it plays X sound while showing Y picture. |
| 18:49.32 | lcuk2 | ive gotta make one for a small project im doing |
| 18:49.39 | Stskeeps | have intern come up with silly applications all day, 1 USD a piece, upload to maemo store ;) |
| 18:49.40 | alterego | X-Fade: thanks :) |
| 18:49.43 | lcuk2 | and it makes sense to think about all the others (and z4chh needs one) |
| 18:49.44 | javispedro | Stskeeps, I believe the ultimate app is the html widget |
| 18:50.10 | javispedro | then every application is just a mather of just putting in the url of the ad you want to show, ..., and profit! |
| 18:50.12 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, you are right about iphone apps, most are just simple pages |
| 18:50.15 | alterego | Stskeeps: yeah, shove a load of hello kitty pics in there and you've got a winner!. |
| 18:50.50 | alterego | What about .. A conversion application base, then we can develop 1000s of apps that specifically convert one unit to another unit. |
| 18:51.18 | lcuk2 | goes back to code |
| 18:51.21 | Stskeeps | alterego: also possible |
| 18:51.42 | lcuk2 | alterego, if the app is gpl then people just tweak as required |
| 18:51.47 | lcuk2 | so make a single version app |
| 18:51.56 | lcuk2 | and then you can make hundreds |
| 18:52.47 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, one problem with templated, you generally still have issues with compilation and package building |
| 18:53.01 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: not really - it's fairly easy to make a template package |
| 18:53.11 | Stskeeps | build once, and a seperate conf file per package |
| 18:53.21 | lcuk2 | yeah but the apps themselves need packaging |
| 18:53.23 | lcuk2 | building |
| 18:53.52 | Stskeeps | 4 lines of stuff per app in debian/control |
| 18:53.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:54.04 | Stskeeps | to the user they can't tell the difference between a source package and a binary package |
| 18:54.09 | lcuk2 | debian isnt the problem |
| 18:54.11 | lcuk2 | its *.c etc |
| 18:54.24 | Stskeeps | not a problem |
| 18:54.30 | alterego | nyargh, anyone got sbdmock working under debian 5 with some info for me? :) |
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| 19:14.33 | wazd | oh! n900 kinda have high bpp screen :) |
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| 19:14.53 | johnsq | wazd: nothing for old mans |
| 19:15.15 | wazd | johnsq: it's cooler than current tablets :) |
| 19:15.26 | MaceN810 | fell asleep |
| 19:15.38 | MaceN810 | let me try installing gcc again |
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| 19:16.33 | Stskeeps | wazd: bpp? |
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| 19:17.18 | wazd | Stskeeps: bit per pixel |
| 19:17.25 | wazd | Stskeeps: up to 16m colors |
| 19:17.38 | wazd | Stskeeps: n800/810 has only 65k |
| 19:18.05 | lcuk2 | wazd, i showed you, the screen hardware on 810 is full true color |
| 19:18.16 | lcuk2 | its what the x11 is running in |
| 19:18.24 | Stskeeps | wazd: url? |
| 19:18.28 | X-Fade | wazd: Looking at the code, it is still 16bpp? |
| 19:18.30 | wazd | lcuk2: oh, I forgot ) |
| 19:19.01 | wazd | X-Fade: Nope, I just saw detailed specs of n97, and it has modern screen :) |
| 19:19.12 | X-Fade | wazd: There have been a lot of 16 bit fixes submitted to cairo lately. They don't do that for nothing. |
| 19:19.18 | lcuk2 | X-Fade, i hope you have been checking out the local areas in amsterdam for us to invade at the summit |
| 19:19.30 | Stskeeps | i think they're moving to 24/32bpp support eventually though |
| 19:19.33 | javispedro | lcuk2, Truecolor? as in 24 bit? |
| 19:19.38 | Stskeeps | but maybe not immediately |
| 19:19.45 | lcuk2 | javispedro, liqbase is 24bit color |
| 19:19.45 | wazd | Stskeeps: 32bit is an overkill :) |
| 19:20.03 | javispedro | wow |
| 19:20.08 | lcuk2 | 32bit is more optimal than 24 |
| 19:20.13 | lcuk2 | you can move pixels around as longs |
| 19:20.18 | lcuk2 | and it makes more sense :) |
| 19:20.52 | javispedro | there is no 32bit color model though |
| 19:21.10 | lcuk2 | 24bit only makes sense for rgb planes (8bit) once you have a truecolor chunky its almost nothing to throw in the alpha and align it all |
| 19:21.21 | MaceN810 | ok |
| 19:21.30 | MaceN810 | need some src to test |
| 19:21.32 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 19:21.36 | X-Fade | Well, 656 still seems to be used a lot. |
| 19:21.48 | javispedro | i want to see a truecolor gradient |
| 19:21.50 | javispedro | :) |
| 19:21.51 | MaceN810 | how so i dl src with apt? |
| 19:22.01 | javispedro | MaceN810, apt-get source package_name |
| 19:22.22 | wazd | X-Fade: that suck |
| 19:22.55 | MaceN810 | javispedro: where does it put the src? |
| 19:22.57 | lcuk2 | wazd, its fast though |
| 19:23.05 | javispedro | MaceN810, working directory |
| 19:23.06 | X-Fade | wazd: Yeah, gradients are a no go. |
| 19:23.11 | MaceN810 | ok tnx |
| 19:23.19 | lcuk2 | javispedro, what color to what color |
| 19:23.41 | javispedro | 2D |
| 19:24.07 | wazd | ATI FireGL suppurt 64bit color :) |
| 19:24.17 | MaceN810 | E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list |
| 19:25.08 | javispedro | MaceN810, example for the diablo tools repo: deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ diablo/tools free |
| 19:26.58 | MaceN810 | in sources.list im guessing? |
| 19:27.05 | javispedro | lcuk2, I'm thinking some gradient they use in color samples, I think it's blue in upper left corner, red in upper right corner, green in center down corner |
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| 19:27.37 | lcuk2 | http://liqbase.net/liqbase.pic.edit.20081018_191550.png |
| 19:27.40 | javispedro | MaceN810, yep |
| 19:27.43 | lcuk2 | javispedro, like the YUV cube in the corner |
| 19:27.46 | lcuk2 | but full res? |
| 19:28.15 | javispedro | yes, but that does not seem true color? |
| 19:28.28 | lcuk2 | thats cos its rendering only 32 pieces |
| 19:28.44 | lcuk2 | when i solve an issue i have ill see if i can give you a proper one |
| 19:28.53 | javispedro | don't worry either way :) |
| 19:28.54 | lcuk2 | glares at jaffa |
| 19:29.01 | lcuk2 | is only kidding of course |
| 19:29.31 | javispedro | going out a bit, gbye |
| 19:30.03 | MaceN810 | E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse) |
| 19:30.42 | MaceN810 | deb-src deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 19:30.46 | wazd | lcuk2: any thoughts on AA for curves? :) |
| 19:30.52 | alterego | Well, doesn't look like it's building. |
| 19:31.03 | alterego | Or if it is, it's taking an age. |
| 19:31.10 | MaceN810 | hm... |
| 19:31.14 | lcuk2 | wazd, slow |
| 19:31.23 | lcuk2 | i have an aa test in liqbase playground now |
| 19:31.27 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: remove "deb" |
| 19:31.34 | lcuk2 | it might come in properly when i get more horsepower |
| 19:31.38 | alterego | It's been almost an hour now .. |
| 19:31.51 | lcuk2 | wazd, what AA allows is thick lines |
| 19:31.52 | MaceN810 | qwerty... think i messed up the line |
| 19:31.59 | lcuk2 | which is the original purpose of me adding it |
| 19:32.17 | lcuk2 | but the speed decrease takes away the benefit |
| 19:33.02 | MaceN810 | src deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/diablo/free |
| 19:33.03 | lcuk2 | it is also required for rotated rectnagles which i asked about yesterday |
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| 19:33.17 | MaceN810 | should it look like that? |
| 19:33.30 | MaceN810 | oh |
| 19:33.36 | MaceN810 | no wait |
| 19:34.06 | qwerty12_N810 | MaceN810: http://repository.maemo.org/ - search for "deb-src" and knock yourself out ;) |
| 19:34.27 | MaceN810 | ok |
| 19:34.33 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 19:34.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Of course, you'd only want the Diablo ones :P |
| 19:35.56 | MaceN810 | yah |
| 19:36.02 | MaceN810 | thanks ;) |
| 19:37.54 | lcuk2 | wazd http://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/commit/0e45ece438f6fb5ad6429f856573a960fd3efbc4 :) |
| 19:38.11 | MaceN810 | ok |
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| 19:40.22 | MaceN810 | getting closer |
| 19:40.23 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 19:40.30 | alterego | glad someone is. |
| 19:44.25 | MaceN810 | weeeeee |
| 19:47.53 | MaceN810 | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 19:48.03 | MaceN810 | wtf |
| 19:49.10 | MaceN810 | is there an md5 pkg i need to install |
| 19:49.20 | alterego | I think I broke the builder .. |
| 19:50.02 | MaceN810 | Can't exec "md5sum": No such file or directory at /usr/bin/dpkg-source line 1043. |
| 19:50.37 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: did i remember to warn you at first about this? |
| 19:50.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 19:50.57 | Stskeeps | wb _BuBU |
| 19:51.09 | MaceN810 | sts, no? |
| 19:51.13 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 19:51.27 | MaceN810 | just have to iron out the little things |
| 19:51.34 | _BuBU | Hi guys |
| 19:51.43 | Stskeeps | i'll bet a beer on that you will go insane before you succeed. |
| 19:51.50 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
| 19:52.06 | MaceN810 | sts, well help me install md5 |
| 19:52.15 | MaceN810 | im about to google how |
| 19:52.30 | Stskeeps | mm, my binary is offline |
| 19:53.15 | MaceN810 | there isnt a pkg for it? |
| 19:53.31 | MaceN810 | md5 sounds like one of those standard things |
| 19:53.47 | alterego | It kind of is .. |
| 19:53.57 | alterego | I believe it's part of openssl though. |
| 19:54.03 | MaceN810 | oh |
| 19:54.09 | Stskeeps | nah, coreutils & co |
| 19:54.20 | alterego | Yeah, coreutils .. |
| 19:54.27 | alterego | (just checked) :) |
| 19:55.43 | MaceN810 | coreutils will wipe all the osso stuff |
| 19:55.52 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: so our bet is on? :) |
| 19:55.58 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
| 19:56.08 | MaceN810 | im not going nutgs yet |
| 19:56.22 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: Mer is the result of a similar struggle. |
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| 19:56.29 | MaceN810 | i will just ask people for an arm md5 bin |
| 19:56.49 | MaceN810 | it shouldnt need coreutils |
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| 19:59.56 | MaceN810 | so to do this they basically want you to get rid of busybox |
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| 20:00.07 | MaceN810 | and all the osso stuff |
| 20:00.49 | suihkulokki | you could just extract the md5sum binary from the armel coreutils.deb file |
| 20:01.07 | MaceN810 | oooh |
| 20:01.19 | MaceN810 | how can i do that? |
| 20:02.23 | johnsq | MaceN810: deb's are ar archives, man ar and than tar archives man tar. |
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| 20:02.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Or dpkg -x works ;) |
| 20:03.04 | suihkulokki | or "dpkg-deb -x foo.deb ." |
| 20:03.20 | suihkulokki | where . is the dir you want the .deb extracted |
| 20:03.22 | talig | Hi everyone, I have some sort of a user-question regarding wayfinder... |
| 20:04.56 | MaceN810 | qwerty, actually just trying to find out how to get apt to just download the deb |
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| 20:05.56 | MaceN810 | apt-get -d install coreutils still removes stuff |
| 20:05.56 | Woolly | sup dawgs |
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| 20:06.49 | wazd | can anybody point me on m.o vector logo? |
| 20:06.57 | wazd | I'm gonna save the world :) |
| 20:08.04 | alterego | Yeah, I definitely think I've broken the builder .. |
| 20:08.12 | talig | I need to make a road trip in western europe. the N810s that I have at my disposal have been used before and it looks like their trial periods have all expired. I'm wondering if I can trust the wayfinder (in which case it's worth the 10 euros of a mothly subscription)... |
| 20:08.19 | talig | since I can't try it out myself |
| 20:09.30 | wazd | anyone? :) |
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| 20:10.39 | wazd | nm |
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| 20:11.32 | MaceN810 | maybe i can just build md5 |
| 20:11.38 | MaceN810 | :) |
| 20:11.47 | MaceN810 | with the coreutils src |
| 20:13.11 | johnsq | MaceN810: just wget the binary archive and install it self. perhaps you can also disable the md5sum checking |
| 20:15.35 | MaceN810 | there is an md5 arm bin pkg? |
| 20:16.10 | johnsq | it should be in coreutils deb |
| 20:17.24 | Woolly | has anyone tried apt-get installing grep on the n810, to update the version that's on there already? I'm getting a broken packages error |
| 20:17.24 | alterego | Oh, I know what's happened. |
| 20:17.25 | MaceN810 | i have to download the deb manually |
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| 20:17.34 | alterego | This ruby package generates all the bloody rdoc. |
| 20:17.42 | alterego | sighs |
| 20:17.45 | MaceN810 | no apt to get just the deb? |
| 20:17.48 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 20:17.49 | alterego | Can I cancel a build? :( |
| 20:18.07 | MaceN810 | im trying to build coreutils from src |
| 20:18.11 | MaceN810 | on the n810 |
| 20:18.13 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
| 20:18.13 | qwerty12_N810 | alterego: Ask the overlord that be X-Fade :) |
| 20:18.26 | MaceN810 | waiting on configure |
| 20:18.31 | alterego | I'm not really serious, but this package needs to be built ;) |
| 20:18.31 | X-Fade | NO |
| 20:18.38 | X-Fade | :) |
| 20:18.49 | Woolly | can you also not use the --no-rdoc flag to not install the documentation? |
| 20:18.58 | Woolly | or is that for the gems themselves |
| 20:19.16 | alterego | Woolly: yes, but I've just usde the ruby1.8 sources from diablo to get them to compile on fremantle. |
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| 20:19.25 | Woolly | alterego: ahh |
| 20:19.32 | MaceN810 | wow |
| 20:19.35 | alterego | I guess I should have checked before, but I presumed as someone already compiled ruby for diable it'd be fine. |
| 20:19.50 | MaceN810 | i wonder if this will actually build on the n810 |
| 20:19.53 | alterego | Even though it appears to be a ubuntu modified version. |
| 20:19.59 | Woolly | of ruby? |
| 20:20.08 | johnsq | MaceN810: gentoo works |
| 20:21.13 | MaceN810 | johnsq, in chroot right? |
| 20:21.25 | MaceN810 | i wanted it to be more native |
| 20:21.29 | johnsq | MaceN810: booting, and more. |
| 20:21.32 | MaceN810 | maemo building |
| 20:21.38 | MaceN810 | no sound in gentoo |
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| 20:22.07 | MaceN810 | want to be able to build src and make pkgs from the tablet in maemo |
| 20:22.23 | johnsq | MaceN810: yes sound isn't working. |
| 20:23.09 | MaceN810 | wow |
| 20:23.22 | MaceN810 | configure is taking a long time |
| 20:23.23 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 20:23.36 | xnt14 | wonders how to unpack his old mbp hdd dmg image.......hmm |
| 20:23.47 | xnt14 | hmmm.......http://baghira.sourceforge.net/dmg.htm |
| 20:23.58 | MaceN810 | if this works i will get another n810 or n800 |
| 20:24.02 | Woolly | does anyone know how I might be able to get grep with long lines onto the N810 so I can ./configure stuff? Is it just a case of copying over the grep bin? |
| 20:24.09 | MaceN810 | if i can find an n800 |
| 20:24.11 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 20:24.19 | xnt14 | waits for all 48GB copy over xD |
| 20:24.28 | MaceN810 | wow |
| 20:24.32 | Stskeeps | ah, so Woolly is ahead in the game to end up being insane |
| 20:24.32 | MaceN810 | it is building |
| 20:24.33 | xnt14 | cp needs a progressbar like wget :P |
| 20:24.46 | Woolly | Stskeeps: insane in the membrane |
| 20:24.56 | MaceN810 | sts hahaha |
| 20:25.02 | johnsq | Woolly: you need the real binaries and not the mini busybox version. |
| 20:25.10 | Woolly | johnsq: poopypants |
| 20:25.13 | lcuk2 | Woolly, build from gnu source in scratchbox |
| 20:25.23 | lcuk2 | its hard using entirely device |
| 20:25.29 | lcuk2 | i know, i attempted it |
| 20:25.40 | Woolly | lcuk2: I know, it's just such a pain having to fire up scratchbox all the time |
| 20:25.41 | Stskeeps | Woolly, MaceN810: it's not for fun i've spent close to a year on Mer. |
| 20:25.41 | lcuk2 | theres a load of things required |
| 20:25.52 | MaceN810 | sts, lol |
| 20:25.56 | Woolly | Stskeeps: Mer looks awesome though :) |
| 20:26.15 | xnt14 | starts to get impatient....xD |
| 20:26.19 | alterego | I appologise to whoever is building gpxview .. ^_^ |
| 20:26.19 | MaceN810 | sts, well.. i will let you know how it goes |
| 20:26.21 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: and if we look away from the UI, it's kinda cool to have a full unix system. |
| 20:26.22 | lcuk2 | Woolly, its easily within grasp to have build-essential |
| 20:26.29 | lcuk2 | and you can use makefiles and stuff |
| 20:26.34 | lcuk2 | thats all i do on device |
| 20:26.35 | MaceN810 | im building coreutils on the tablet now |
| 20:26.36 | xnt14 | stskeeps, btw, will mer run on the n900 with 3d accel? |
| 20:26.48 | MaceN810 | just for md5 |
| 20:26.52 | Woolly | I think I have build-essential on-tablet already |
| 20:26.53 | Stskeeps | xnt14: who needs 3d accel when we have liqbase? ;) |
| 20:27.00 | MaceN810 | then i will pkg md5 by itself |
| 20:27.03 | Woolly | I do some moderate gcc compilation with the device itself |
| 20:27.06 | xnt14 | true..... |
| 20:27.08 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 20:27.19 | lcuk2 | autoconf automake coreutils findutils libtool m4 pkg-config tar |
| 20:27.28 | Woolly | I'm trying to get Swig on there haha |
| 20:27.28 | lcuk2 | all those cascade once you start having gnu on |
| 20:27.32 | xnt14 | wonders how well liqbase runs on mer..... well mer's fb is a bit slow..... |
| 20:27.33 | lcuk2 | and they all need building |
| 20:27.40 | Woolly | ouch |
| 20:27.43 | lcuk2 | xnt14, it doesnt |
| 20:27.44 | Stskeeps | xnt14: no, it's not. we switched. |
| 20:27.46 | lcuk2 | lbt tried at weekend |
| 20:27.56 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: last i saw it was a /home/user issue |
| 20:28.04 | lcuk2 | probably is :) |
| 20:28.05 | xnt14 | oh :P :) |
| 20:28.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: i had playtest working, so |
| 20:28.24 | Woolly | if only I had a spare microSD, then I'd give mer a try |
| 20:28.26 | lcuk2 | yeah fair enough |
| 20:28.34 | lcuk2 | what about the playground |
| 20:28.39 | lcuk2 | that should be better |
| 20:28.43 | woglinde | lcuk and his hardcoded paths? |
| 20:28.49 | lcuk2 | probably :D |
| 20:29.12 | alterego | maemo is going Qt? :( |
| 20:29.15 | alterego | 'me wheeps |
| 20:29.34 | lcuk2 | why wheep - the core system might be qt, but that doesnt mean you have to be |
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| 20:30.31 | alterego | Just seems like the whole of maemo was a waste of time if they're going to ditch gnome. |
| 20:30.54 | woglinde | haeh? |
| 20:31.06 | Stskeeps | alterego: they're ditching GTK; not GNOME :P |
| 20:31.10 | woglinde | you mean the main widget toolkit will not be gtk anymore |
| 20:31.11 | lcuk2 | qt libraries are not rewrites, the core stuff built to date is not being thrown away |
| 20:31.14 | Stskeeps | alterego: i don't blame them though |
| 20:31.31 | woglinde | gtk and qt will be both working |
| 20:31.36 | Stskeeps | and what woglinde said |
| 20:31.36 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:31.59 | X-Fade | And who knows, maybe around Harmattan we have a 128GB root fs and don't care about dual installs ;) |
| 20:32.08 | alterego | I might fork mer |
| 20:32.09 | MaceN810 | is there a kb shortcut to paste in xchat? |
| 20:32.15 | alterego | I'll do 'ger' :P |
| 20:32.30 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: clone-to-friggen 32gb doesn't sound bad either |
| 20:32.40 | lcuk2 | heh, for a moment then i thought you would call it qer |
| 20:32.45 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 20:32.50 | lcuk2 | but thats more qwerty's domain lol |
| 20:32.51 | Stskeeps | alterego: we will have both toolkits installable |
| 20:32.52 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: ;) |
| 20:32.59 | MaceN810 | ½ |
| 20:33.32 | MaceN810 | We're writing to inform you that your order 104-7414380-6001025 from |
| 20:33.42 | MaceN810 | has been cancelled!! |
| 20:33.45 | MaceN810 | argh |
| 20:33.46 | Stskeeps | TB? |
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| 20:34.08 | MaceN810 | no |
| 20:34.11 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
| 20:34.22 | MaceN810 | but that would be funny |
| 20:34.35 | MaceN810 | my nokia suction car mount |
| 20:35.19 | MaceN810 | tee.c:34: error: conflicting types for 'tee' |
| 20:35.24 | MaceN810 | wtf |
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| 20:36.13 | MaceN810 | damn |
| 20:36.17 | alterego | woo, it's finally done ;) |
| 20:36.22 | MaceN810 | guess that was too easy |
| 20:36.24 | MaceN810 | haha |
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| 20:47.01 | MaceN810 | sts |
| 20:47.19 | MaceN810 | i think maemo is a pretty full linus system |
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| 20:47.56 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: if we call busybox anywhere as sane as coreutils, sure |
| 20:48.40 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 20:49.06 | MaceN810 | is it possible to swap out busybox and coreutils in maemo? |
| 20:49.14 | MaceN810 | busybox for |
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| 20:51.03 | MaceN810 | dpkg-source: extracting abiword in abiword-2.7.6 |
| 20:51.12 | MaceN810 | =) |
| 20:52.44 | MaceN810 | r: no acceptable grep could be found in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/xpg4/bin |
| 20:52.52 | MaceN810 | lol! |
| 20:53.15 | Stskeeps | and now you're at same stage as Woolly |
| 20:53.59 | Woolly | what's that? |
| 20:54.00 | Woolly | ahh yes |
| 20:54.02 | Woolly | indeed! |
| 20:56.51 | Woolly | hmm, when I'm installing scratchbox, it fails to connect to repository.maemo.org. I wonder if I'm using the correct script. |
| 20:57.10 | MaceN810 | sts hahaha |
| 20:57.12 | MaceN810 | yah |
| 20:57.33 | MaceN810 | but at least md5sum is working |
| 20:57.48 | MaceN810 | i just downloaded grep src |
| 20:57.59 | MaceN810 | and am going to try to build it |
| 20:58.13 | woglinde | Woolly check your resolv.conf |
| 20:58.24 | MaceN810 | little by little |
| 20:58.37 | MaceN810 | i am ghettoizing this maemo install |
| 20:58.48 | Woolly | woglinde: where is it located again? |
| 20:58.51 | MaceN810 | plugging and patching individual bins heh |
| 20:58.51 | javispedro | MaceN810, you could check how debian builds the coreutils pkg and "componentize" it. |
| 20:59.07 | MaceN810 | javis.. that is what im doing kind of |
| 20:59.23 | javispedro | this way you'll find what causes the reset loop, the hard way ;) |
| 20:59.37 | Woolly | woglinde: durr, found it. |
| 21:00.05 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 21:00.16 | MaceN810 | there isnt a reset loop |
| 21:00.40 | MaceN810 | yet? |
| 21:00.53 | Woolly | woglinde: you're a genius haha |
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| 21:02.43 | woglinde | Woolly nope I know the ceavats of sb |
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| 21:07.26 | MaceN810 | grep works |
| 21:07.28 | MaceN810 | heh |
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| 21:09.33 | MaceN810 | im on diffutils now |
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| 21:15.11 | Luke-Jr | MaceN810: you forgot Gentoo |
| 21:24.33 | MaceN810 | luke huh? |
| 21:24.45 | MaceN810 | i dont want gentoo |
| 21:25.10 | MaceN810 | i want stock maemo with the ability to builc src and make deb pkgs |
| 21:25.27 | MaceN810 | diffutils works ;) |
| 21:25.31 | RST38h | fries with that? =) |
| 21:25.33 | MaceN810 | next... |
| 21:25.45 | MaceN810 | rst, almost there |
| 21:25.47 | MaceN810 | hehe |
| 21:25.53 | RST38h | heh |
| 21:26.04 | MaceN810 | just testing with abiword for now |
| 21:26.21 | MaceN810 | anything it fails to configure .. i build on the tablet |
| 21:26.26 | MaceN810 | and install |
| 21:26.33 | MaceN810 | or replace its bin |
| 21:26.41 | MaceN810 | with a new one |
| 21:26.48 | MaceN810 | so far so good |
| 21:26.54 | MaceN810 | ;) |
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| 21:27.49 | MaceN810 | i dont see a need for gentoo |
| 21:28.02 | MaceN810 | when you already have a debian base system |
| 21:28.19 | MaceN810 | with the hardware working :) |
| 21:29.00 | johnsq | MaceN810: I have had debian before gentoo, i will never back. |
| 21:31.08 | Luke-Jr | MaceN810: stock maemo is not maintained by anyone |
| 21:31.29 | johnsq | MaceN810: but I'm developer, i can use the sources. |
| 21:32.53 | MaceN810 | luke, doesnt need to be |
| 21:33.00 | MaceN810 | the apps do |
| 21:33.18 | MaceN810 | linux is only a kernel |
| 21:33.25 | MaceN810 | if everything works |
| 21:33.34 | MaceN810 | there is no need for a new one |
| 21:33.37 | Luke-Jr | MaceN810: fail. Maemo is the OS-- not just the kernel, but the apps |
| 21:33.41 | RST38h | that is what linuxoids always claim once somebody starts complaining about userland |
| 21:33.55 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 21:34.17 | MaceN810 | luke, if you can build from src |
| 21:34.32 | MaceN810 | then you can just update apps from src |
| 21:34.39 | johnsq | RST38h: yeah, but less people are working on apps, all are only packing and adapting. |
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| 21:34.56 | RST38h | adapting what? =) |
| 21:34.56 | MaceN810 | john, because the apps work |
| 21:34.58 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 21:35.24 | johnsq | RST38h: hildonizing |
| 21:35.24 | MaceN810 | either way. i would rather work with maemo4 |
| 21:35.30 | RST38h | ah, you mean maemo |
| 21:35.31 | MaceN810 | i like sound |
| 21:35.40 | MaceN810 | and the gpa |
| 21:35.42 | MaceN810 | gps |
| 21:35.51 | MaceN810 | and adhoc networking |
| 21:36.00 | MaceN810 | to tether to my phone |
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| 21:36.23 | MaceN810 | if the hardware works i think it is best to build on that |
| 21:36.53 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: you really have no idea about the complexity of some of this stuff.. |
| 21:37.04 | MaceN810 | heh.. no i guess not |
| 21:37.08 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 21:37.24 | MaceN810 | im oversimplifying arent i? |
| 21:37.28 | Stskeeps | yes, you are |
| 21:37.54 | woglinde | lalalalaa |
| 21:40.04 | RST38h | btw, gps or no gps on n900? |
| 21:40.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: liblocation-dev.. |
| 21:40.16 | Stskeeps | would be insane not to have it |
| 21:40.23 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 21:40.35 | RST38h | you never know, Mako has no Wifi for example |
| 21:40.56 | Stskeeps | GPS as an example - on a N8x0, there's gpsdriver, a binary blob, which translates between the chipset and typical NMEA. this is in turn connected to gps. now, most maemo apps use a helper library called libgpsmgr, and libgpsbt. those are fairly simple libraries but they do stuff like turn on gpsd, handy helper functions, or setting up connections to bluetooth GPSes. |
| 21:41.01 | Stskeeps | -> MaceN810 |
| 21:41.11 | Stskeeps | s/gps/gpsd |
| 21:41.34 | Stskeeps | those two helper libraries are also closed source which doesn't make it hell lot easier to get some sane usage of GPS out:) |
| 21:42.13 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 21:42.18 | Stskeeps | along with this there's a wide range of pipelines between these things that has to be implemented |
| 21:42.21 | alterego | liblocation looks good. |
| 21:42.34 | Stskeeps | alterego: rather simplistic really.. i think they're lacking location modelling |
| 21:42.39 | MaceN810 | sts, which are part of the 20%? |
| 21:42.47 | alterego | Only a first go :) |
| 21:42.52 | lcuk2 | Stskeeps, you could just as well be talking about the move to qt lol |
| 21:42.58 | alterego | Submit a bu report/feature enhancement request :P |
| 21:43.07 | MaceN810 | lcuk haha |
| 21:43.34 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: anyway, what it does take is someone in community to pick up the torch cos noone else is going to do it for you otherwise :P |
| 21:43.41 | lcuk2 | MaceN810, i wish i was joking :) |
| 21:43.50 | Stskeeps | MaceN810: i can't personally touch liblocation, libgps and such for a while due to my previous work. |
| 21:44.22 | lcuk2 | but think of the ladies who will swoon around such a rockstar dev who reigns in gps |
| 21:44.27 | Stskeeps | (i can actually easily reimplement liblocation, it's fairly easy.) |
| 21:44.35 | MaceN810 | HAHAHA |
| 21:45.06 | alterego | Previous work for a gps manufacturer? :) |
| 21:45.06 | lcuk2 | lo lbt |
| 21:45.15 | lcuk2 | professional stalker |
| 21:45.22 | Stskeeps | alterego: nah, research work, part uni part commercial company |
| 21:45.51 | Stskeeps | if i went ahead for a little while and did something like liblocation my uni could claim rights :) |
| 21:46.06 | lcuk2 | technically they couldnt |
| 21:46.15 | lcuk2 | if however you took the code you wrote whilst there they could |
| 21:46.17 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: danish law is a bit awkward in this manner |
| 21:46.41 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: and code in liblocation would be very similar as there's really only one way to do it :P |
| 21:46.43 | lcuk2 | viva poland ftw :D |
| 21:46.47 | qwerty12_N810 | Now we really know the reason for your move to Poland! |
| 21:46.51 | Stskeeps | exactly ;) |
| 21:47.08 | lcuk2 | nahhh |
| 21:47.18 | lcuk2 | theres many ways to get a list of cities |
| 21:47.20 | lcuk2 | and show them on a map |
| 21:47.26 | lcuk2 | and have a little database to read from |
| 21:47.40 | Stskeeps | that's libcityinfo :P |
| 21:47.46 | lcuk2 | would make a great student project |
| 21:47.50 | lcuk2 | damn |
| 21:47.55 | lcuk2 | which is location then |
| 21:48.04 | Stskeeps | GPS, gsm cell id, etc.. |
| 21:48.13 | lcuk2 | fuck that then, thats hard |
| 21:48.20 | lcuk2 | really would take a rockstar dev lol |
| 21:48.27 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 21:48.30 | javispedro | a only-GPS stub would do the job for now |
| 21:48.45 | lcuk2 | gfi |
| 21:50.44 | Stskeeps | lcuk2: most of the stuff is hooking into gpsd and just spitting out whatever it sends :P |
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| 21:51.03 | Stskeeps | and turn on GPS + driver |
| 21:51.22 | lcuk2 | just a simple protocol then |
| 21:51.24 | lcuk2 | streams of numbers |
| 21:51.28 | lcuk2 | and a bit of post processing |
| 21:51.30 | lcuk2 | or muchly? |
| 21:51.37 | Stskeeps | really no postprocessing |
| 21:51.58 | lcuk2 | ive just been mucking about with the accelerometer on my x41 |
| 21:52.04 | lcuk2 | and that has similar |
| 21:52.09 | lcuk2 | just a stream of data :) |
| 21:52.11 | lcuk2 | its lovely |
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| 21:52.58 | Stskeeps | anyway i'm off to bed :P |
| 21:54.15 | lcuk2 | goes back to the batcave |
| 21:56.05 | Woolly | has anyone done swig stuff afore? |
| 21:58.44 | alterego | I looked at it, it looks rubbish :P |
| 21:58.48 | Woolly | haha |
| 21:58.52 | alterego | At least for what I Wanted to do. |
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| 22:00.14 | lcuk2 | qwerty12_N810, did you once say that the osso registration and service aspect can be defined within the .sh file i use to run |
| 22:00.28 | lcuk2 | im not changing it now |
| 22:00.34 | lcuk2 | but if it can i will make a note for later |
| 22:01.04 | alterego | I think there's some environment variables. |
| 22:01.11 | qwerty12_N810 | No, I said that hildon-desktop won't kill a program ran from a script if you use X-Osso-Service and don't osso_initalize |
| 22:01.31 | alterego | Oh, I was thinking of something else .. |
| 22:01.39 | lcuk2 | ahh, thats cool then. ill note that part. ta dude |
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| 22:05.59 | inz | qwerty, does it kil the script? |
| 22:06.37 | inz | qwerty, (i thought it was dbus-daemon that did the killing) |
| 22:06.40 | qwerty12_N810 | I'd assume not otherwise the application you were running would also be killed :) |
| 22:06.50 | qwerty12_N810 | inz: probably right :) |
| 22:10.00 | MaceN810 | configure: error: `png.h' not found, install libpng or specify CPPFLAGS to include custom locations |
| 22:10.05 | MaceN810 | hm |
| 22:10.23 | MaceN810 | is there a libpng pkg somewhere? |
| 22:10.33 | lcuk2 | libpng12-dev |
| 22:10.45 | lcuk2 | just installed it earlier |
| 22:10.52 | Woolly | me too |
| 22:10.57 | MaceN810 | awesome |
| 22:10.59 | MaceN810 | tnx |
| 22:11.01 | Woolly | :) |
| 22:12.24 | MaceN810 | lcuk and woolly.. trying to native build and pkg in maemo too or something? |
| 22:12.24 | lcuk2 | MaceN810, |
| 22:12.30 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 22:12.34 | lcuk2 | apt-cache search [key] |
| 22:12.45 | lcuk2 | MaceN810, i have been native for ages |
| 22:12.49 | lcuk2 | well before the last summit |
| 22:12.51 | Woolly | MaceN810: Nah, I'm reading from the framebuffer |
| 22:12.56 | lcuk2 | i just reinstalled it cos i reflashed |
| 22:13.03 | MaceN810 | really? |
| 22:13.20 | MaceN810 | you are building and pkging on the tablet |
| 22:13.25 | lcuk2 | no |
| 22:13.26 | MaceN810 | er... were? |
| 22:13.28 | MaceN810 | oh |
| 22:13.32 | lcuk2 | i build on tablet |
| 22:13.34 | lcuk2 | and test and run |
| 22:13.38 | lcuk2 | and work on it |
| 22:13.41 | lcuk2 | and save it to git |
| 22:13.53 | MaceN810 | i see |
| 22:13.56 | lcuk2 | and load scratchbox to make packages |
| 22:14.03 | lcuk2 | which is why ive only ever made 2 packages lol |
| 22:14.13 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 22:14.24 | MaceN810 | well. im trying to make the pkgs |
| 22:14.29 | lcuk2 | yeah |
| 22:14.30 | MaceN810 | on the n810 |
| 22:14.32 | lcuk2 | i tried that too |
| 22:14.33 | lcuk2 | good luck |
| 22:14.41 | lcuk2 | its possible |
| 22:14.41 | MaceN810 | hahaha |
| 22:14.48 | lcuk2 | but reproducability is what matters |
| 22:14.52 | MaceN810 | gee thanks |
| 22:14.56 | Woolly | can I compile something including Python.h in SB? I've tried adding -I/usr/lib/python2.5 to my gcc line, but it doesn't seem to be working |
| 22:15.03 | lcuk2 | i can now have my sdk up and running and me coding within 30 mins of choosing to reflash |
| 22:15.04 | MaceN810 | you and sts are such downers |
| 22:15.18 | lcuk2 | the only thing i cannot do is package |
| 22:15.23 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 22:15.26 | lcuk2 | i am happy with that compromise |
| 22:15.34 | MaceN810 | well. find out how to do it |
| 22:15.44 | lcuk2 | it wont fit in a simple method |
| 22:15.50 | lcuk2 | i can just apt-get install build-essential |
| 22:15.54 | MaceN810 | pkging sounds like something that shouldnt be hard |
| 22:15.58 | lcuk2 | vs what you are struggling with |
| 22:16.16 | lcuk2 | technically no |
| 22:16.20 | lcuk2 | but mentally, yeah |
| 22:16.24 | MaceN810 | i mean, compressing built bins? |
| 22:16.35 | lcuk2 | choosing where to put them |
| 22:16.38 | MaceN810 | and using dpkg on it |
| 22:16.38 | lcuk2 | managing versions |
| 22:16.42 | MaceN810 | ah |
| 22:16.43 | lcuk2 | making sure you get the deps |
| 22:16.49 | MaceN810 | didnt think about that |
| 22:16.58 | MaceN810 | need to make my own repo |
| 22:17.03 | MaceN810 | ;) |
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| 22:17.23 | lcuk2 | i managed to kill 3 installs tryign what you are doing |
| 22:17.31 | lcuk2 | and even when it was done the packages still failed |
| 22:17.39 | MaceN810 | lcuk heh |
| 22:17.50 | MaceN810 | well. i backup to flash |
| 22:17.55 | MaceN810 | at every step |
| 22:17.57 | lcuk2 | when you make these new packaging tools |
| 22:18.01 | lcuk2 | to make it reproducable |
| 22:18.04 | lcuk2 | package them up |
| 22:18.04 | MaceN810 | easiest way to snapshot |
| 22:18.13 | lcuk2 | and push it to extras devel |
| 22:18.18 | lcuk2 | macer-dpkgontablet |
| 22:18.26 | lcuk2 | so others can use it |
| 22:18.32 | MaceN810 | naw... i was going tgo call it merlin |
| 22:18.38 | MaceN810 | just to piss off sts |
| 22:18.42 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 22:18.53 | lcuk2 | call it something sensible so hackers will find it |
| 22:19.00 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 22:19.07 | MaceN810 | i will, was joking |
| 22:19.15 | MaceN810 | have to get it working first |
| 22:19.17 | lcuk2 | cool |
| 22:19.28 | MaceN810 | still working on deps |
| 22:19.36 | MaceN810 | deps are a bitch |
| 22:19.52 | MaceN810 | bbl |
| 22:20.01 | Woolly | lardman|gone: ping |
| 22:20.55 | MaceN810 | all this |
| 22:21.12 | MaceN810 | just because i want an abiword with cups support |
| 22:21.14 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 22:21.43 | Woolly | I swear every time i compile this thing, i get a different error appearing |
| 22:21.52 | MaceN810 | lol |
| 22:21.54 | MaceN810 | me too |
| 22:22.07 | MaceN810 | checking jpeglib.h usability... no |
| 22:22.11 | lbt | hey lcuk2 |
| 22:23.04 | lcuk2 | hi n bye david, im being drawn into code |
| 22:23.42 | lbt | np |
| 22:23.46 | lbt | have fn |
| 22:27.12 | MaceN810 | configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it |
| 22:27.25 | MaceN810 | weeeeeeeee!!!! |
| 22:28.22 | MaceN810 | dear lord |
| 22:28.22 | woglinde | good nite |
| 22:28.31 | MaceN810 | i am going to have to like |
| 22:28.38 | MaceN810 | write stuff down |
| 22:28.50 | MaceN810 | before i lose track of what im doing haha |
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| 22:35.11 | javispedro | why not a chroot? currently I run a lenny chroot on the tablet for when I feel that murderous need to build things on the tablet |
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| 22:37.03 | javispedro | works pretty well, only problem is that binaries built there may or may not work on Maemo due to binary compatibilities, but that could be fixed by using the SDK rootstrap instead of lenny |
| 22:37.44 | MaceN810 | javispedro, becaus the goal is to avoid a chroot |
| 22:38.39 | MaceN810 | avoid a chroot, not use scratchbox, have a complete development enviroment on the tablet itself with the ability to build and package from src off the repos |
| 22:39.21 | MaceN810 | if there is a binary incompatibility then i suppose i will just build a replacement bin and figure out how to pkg it where it will replace the stock bin |
| 22:39.29 | javispedro | well... I always dislike merging dev environment with deploying environment. |
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| 22:40.10 | MaceN810 | javispedro, yeah i can see how that might not be cool. but it is somthing i would like to do |
| 22:40.20 | alterego | Why do you need to build anything on the device. |
| 22:40.27 | javispedro | go ahead then :) you know "because I can" is a good reason for me |
| 22:40.28 | MaceN810 | plus. you can always just partition the external sd and clone to test |
| 22:40.30 | alterego | remote log ins are where it's at :) |
| 22:40.35 | MaceN810 | javispedro, haha |
| 22:40.47 | MaceN810 | well. not just because i can |
| 22:40.58 | MaceN810 | but i want to use the tablet as a full fledged computer |
| 22:41.07 | MaceN810 | if i can do it in debian i should be able to do it in maemo |
| 22:41.09 | alterego | Why? |
| 22:41.13 | alterego | Don't you have a proper machine? |
| 22:41.33 | MaceN810 | alterego, sure but you cant fit a proper machine in your pocket |
| 22:41.54 | MaceN810 | plus it would just be nice to not have to rely on another machine |
| 22:41.54 | alterego | Hence, remote connections :P |
| 22:42.12 | MaceN810 | alterego, heh. and for the person who doesnt´have a proper machine? |
| 22:42.16 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 22:42.29 | alterego | Well, obviously they don't need a computer :P |
| 22:42.42 | MaceN810 | well.. doing it this way |
| 22:42.46 | MaceN810 | then they wont ;) |
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| 22:43.05 | alterego | really ... |
| 22:43.15 | javispedro | a chroot will serve you... it's not any slower fwiw |
| 22:43.36 | javispedro | it just uses double the space |
| 22:43.52 | MaceN810 | javispedro, yeah. you have to copy libs and create a whole seperate enviroment |
| 22:44.05 | MaceN810 | when i use linux on x86 |
| 22:44.09 | MaceN810 | that isnt necessary |
| 22:44.14 | MaceN810 | i just build and pkg |
| 22:44.26 | MaceN810 | why cant the tablet be the same way? |
| 22:44.51 | MaceN810 | the only answer i can think of is... because someone just hasnt´done it yet heh |
| 22:44.59 | MaceN810 | or like most people here .. dont´see the need |
| 22:45.16 | alterego | It's not so much need, it's "don't see the use". |
| 22:45.42 | MaceN810 | alterego, to treat the table like an all out computer while still being able to use maemo and have all the hardware working |
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| 22:46.04 | johnsq | alterego: have you worked with crosscompiler and configure? |
| 22:46.22 | MaceN810 | the use is simply use the tablet..like i would a debian install on an x86 |
| 22:46.40 | MaceN810 | where id ont´have to jump through hoops and install cross compilers.. i simply use it |
| 22:47.23 | MaceN810 | if i want something built.. i just hop on it and just build it ..if i want to pkg it.. i shouldnt have to move everything somewhere else just to tar something up and run dpkg on it |
| 22:47.43 | alterego | johnsq: I have. |
| 22:48.13 | johnsq | alterego: then you should see, why to compile on the target machine. |
| 22:48.17 | javispedro | has fallen in love with sb1, but seems nobody else has. better for him. |
| 22:48.50 | MaceN810 | but i need to stop trying for the moment |
| 22:48.59 | MaceN810 | and blog what ive done so far so i dont´fall too far from the tree |
| 22:49.04 | alterego | Not withstanding very simple programs, I can't see the need to develop anything serious on an embedded device. |
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| 22:49.34 | alterego | Let alone build and package it. |
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| 22:49.39 | MaceN810 | alterego, because you would rahter use a cross compiler and i woudl not .. just a difference of opinion |
| 22:49.41 | alterego | Just seems a bit silly. |
| 22:49.58 | javispedro | alterego, I know one person who developed _very big_ programs in his Palm handheld. Using OnBoardC, which is AFAIK a C compiler written from scratch |
| 22:50.05 | alterego | Yes, because it's a lot quicker. |
| 22:50.11 | MaceN810 | if my proper machine broke? then what? |
| 22:50.16 | MaceN810 | ;) |
| 22:50.21 | alterego | Get a new machine :P |
| 22:50.23 | MaceN810 | or if i lost the net connection? |
| 22:50.39 | alterego | Have a cup of tea and wait for it to come back :P |
| 22:50.41 | MaceN810 | or if lioghtning hit my house and set it ablaze .. server and all? |
| 22:50.47 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 22:50.57 | alterego | Then you've not got a decent off site backup strategy :P |
| 22:50.58 | MaceN810 | the tablet should be independent of requiring anything |
| 22:51.05 | alterego | Hah, |
| 22:51.10 | alterego | Why? |
| 22:51.10 | javispedro | or if a meteorite hit the moon and made it fall to earth, making a bad movie plot in the process? |
| 22:51.19 | MaceN810 | javispedro, exactly |
| 22:51.30 | alterego | The point of the tablet is to be an always connected device. |
| 22:52.27 | alterego | You should be coming up with better ways of making that a reality, rather than coming up with ways of segmenting it from it's nature :P |
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| 22:52.37 | MaceN810 | haha |
| 22:52.44 | MaceN810 | well.. to each their own ;) |
| 22:53.04 | MaceN810 | i want my tablet to be independent |
| 22:53.12 | MaceN810 | and act like a computer.. not just a gadget |
| 22:53.22 | javispedro | is trying to isolate which optimization is making super mario kart computer players suicidal. |
| 22:53.22 | alterego | It does act like a computer. |
| 22:53.23 | MaceN810 | and a requirement is that all the hardware works |
| 22:53.39 | alterego | The hardware does work. |
| 22:53.44 | MaceN810 | alterego, it acts like a psuedo computer |
| 22:53.47 | alterego | It's the software that's the problem :P |
| 22:53.48 | MaceN810 | and the hardware works in maemo |
| 22:53.50 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 22:54.04 | MaceN810 | like i said |
| 22:54.12 | MaceN810 | on my debian x86 box |
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| 22:54.21 | MaceN810 | if i want to build and package something for x86 i just do it |
| 22:54.23 | alterego | So, your basic requirement is to have build-essential on the tablet? |
| 22:54.26 | alterego | Is that what you want? |
| 22:54.46 | MaceN810 | build-essential on a tablet and dpkg working in maemo without a chroot |
| 22:55.32 | MaceN810 | i want my tablet to work like i am on an x86 using hildon as a wm |
| 22:55.47 | MaceN810 | where i dont´have to do anything special just to build and pkg stuff |
| 22:55.57 | alterego | Well, you could make your own rootfs. |
| 22:55.58 | MaceN810 | or require another computer to get this done |
| 22:56.15 | alterego | but the device is really under powered for compilation tasks. |
| 22:56.35 | MaceN810 | alterego, 400Mhz isnt that bad for the types of apps you would put on it |
| 22:56.40 | lcuk2 | MaceN810, switch cpu to performance mode |
| 22:56.45 | MaceN810 | what is the largest app for maemo ? |
| 22:56.51 | johnsq | alterego: lol, just some years ago pc arn't faster |
| 22:56.52 | MaceN810 | lcuk2, hit the turbo button? ;) |
| 22:57.02 | lcuk2 | with the compiler, the processes technically start and finish before things have time to be boosted etc |
| 22:57.06 | javispedro | MaceN810, a wild guess: the browser engine |
| 22:57.08 | lcuk2 | it takes quite a bit longer in ondemand |
| 22:57.25 | lcuk2 | theres a defined noticable difference in build speed |
| 22:57.25 | alterego | Ooo, try compiling glibc on the device. |
| 22:57.46 | javispedro | alterego, true |
| 22:57.49 | MaceN810 | alterego, i compiled glibc on my pentium 200 |
| 22:57.49 | johnsq | alterego: only some hours, gcc and mozilla are bigger problems. |
| 22:58.03 | lcuk2 | echo performance >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 22:58.06 | MaceN810 | iĺl just go to sleep |
| 22:58.07 | MaceN810 | hhe |
| 22:58.12 | lcuk2 | or |
| 22:58.17 | lcuk2 | echo ondemand >/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 22:58.20 | lcuk2 | to reset |
| 22:58.31 | javispedro | hmm..... building glibc took way, way, way more time than building the browser-engine on my pc |
| 22:58.41 | javispedro | (though probably because sb built it 3 o 4 times in a row) |
| 22:58.50 | MaceN810 | javispedro, kde4? |
| 22:58.51 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 22:58.58 | javispedro | you said "Maemo app" ;) |
| 22:58.58 | alterego | It's called bootstrapping, |
| 22:59.00 | MaceN810 | wish there was a kde4mobile |
| 22:59.06 | alterego | glibc took longer than gcc I believe for me. |
| 22:59.19 | alterego | Though they're usually done in combination to boostrap each other. |
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| 22:59.25 | lcuk2 | shakes head at the sheer magnitude of some projects |
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| 22:59.40 | alterego | lcuk2: the price of progress ;) |
| 22:59.45 | MaceN810 | oops |
| 23:00.12 | lcuk2 | progress is slower |
| 23:00.20 | javispedro | progress. suprises me when even the simples of binaries uses nearly 10 pages of runtime memory. I've come to understand it though... |
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| 23:00.26 | alterego | Not really, hardware is faster, a lot faster ;) |
| 23:00.35 | lcuk2 | so why doesnt it feel it |
| 23:00.45 | lcuk2 | i used to build and run apps for fun on amiga |
| 23:00.50 | alterego | Not enough wheel reinvention I'd imagine ^_^ |
| 23:01.24 | lcuk2 | indeed |
| 23:02.14 | Woolly | nice face alterego |
| 23:02.31 | alterego | On the other hand, I find myself getting bored watching autoconf garbage than gcc/make messages :P |
| 23:03.04 | alterego | I think MaceN810 should use gcc which is already available and write a smaller set of tools for building and packaging :) |
| 23:03.08 | lcuk2 | you are like the guy out of the matrix |
| 23:03.09 | johnsq | alterego: that autoconfigure sucks is an other problem |
| 23:03.27 | lcuk2 | almost went blind watching streaming output |
| 23:03.30 | MaceN810 | altereg, i am |
| 23:03.35 | MaceN810 | using gcc now |
| 23:03.39 | alterego | Cool |
| 23:03.47 | MaceN810 | damn n810 with no tab! |
| 23:03.51 | MaceN810 | wtf |
| 23:03.55 | alterego | You can use dl instead of *-dev packages :) |
| 23:03.59 | alterego | Press 'chr' |
| 23:04.19 | alterego | The tab is there, you just need to know where to look ;) |
| 23:04.20 | lcuk2 | you can just install the -dev packages |
| 23:04.32 | lcuk2 | best to be booting from sd so you have space |
| 23:04.36 | lcuk2 | but the entire sdk is there |
| 23:04.39 | MaceN810 | no tab on the qwerty |
| 23:04.54 | alterego | MaceN810: that's what 'chr' is for. |
| 23:04.59 | MaceN810 | lcuk2, i am already |
| 23:05.11 | lcuk2 | that was back at alterego |
| 23:05.12 | javispedro | MaceN810, better get used to the Chr key if you plan to buy the N900 ;) |
| 23:05.15 | lcuk2 | but yeah cool |
| 23:05.26 | lcuk2 | first time i did it i was using onboard mem |
| 23:05.31 | MaceN810 | heh |
| 23:05.33 | MaceN810 | ouch |
| 23:05.45 | MaceN810 | well... i need to stop |
| 23:05.47 | lcuk2 | its not that bad |
| 23:05.55 | MaceN810 | i have installed like 10 pkgs |
| 23:06.05 | MaceN810 | and need to write down which ones |
| 23:06.12 | MaceN810 | before i do any more |
| 23:06.19 | Woolly | is swig the only way of getting c-code into python? |
| 23:06.51 | alterego | Wolly, no, not at all. |
| 23:06.53 | johnsq | Woolly: you can write the api by hand. |
| 23:07.00 | alterego | You can write the bindings from scratch. |
| 23:07.09 | Woolly | johnsq: oh jings, I dont fancy that |
| 23:07.39 | alterego | It's not that hard, just a bit of boiler plate. |
| 23:07.54 | alterego | It's more flexible than swig, because you can make it more "python"-esque |
| 23:08.03 | Woolly | i suppose |
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| 23:11.19 | Luke-Jr | thinks *nix needs a standard for symbol information and type representations |
| 23:11.51 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: you want more this_is_a_pointer? |
| 23:13.47 | Woolly | has anyone heard of an undefined symbol: __aeabi_fadd error? |
| 23:14.11 | alterego | Nice |
| 23:14.40 | Woolly | is it nice? |
| 23:14.41 | johnsq | Woolly: sounds like missing -lm |
| 23:15.01 | Woolly | johnsq: forgive me, but I'm not sure what that means! |
| 23:15.34 | johnsq | Woolly: fadd is a math symbol -lm is the math library. |
| 23:15.43 | Woolly | johnsq: ahhh, right |
| 23:16.07 | Woolly | johnsq: so does that go in my pkg-config bit? |
| 23:16.51 | johnsq | Woolly: I don't know, can also be a compiler option problem. soft-float ... |
| 23:17.06 | Woolly | I see |
| 23:17.26 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: wtf? |
| 23:19.55 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: I didn't understand your request for more standard. |
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| 23:28.30 | Woolly | man I'm getting myself in a pickle here |
| 23:29.48 | javispedro | Woolly, are you mixing toolchains? |
| 23:30.08 | javispedro | or gcc versions? |
| 23:30.17 | Woolly | javispedro: I dont think so |
| 23:31.13 | Woolly | javispedro: I've used swig to create some bindings for python, used gcc to compile them into the object files, used ld to link them with the -lm argument. |
| 23:31.53 | javispedro | the python version in diablo? |
| 23:32.01 | Woolly | python2.5 yea |
| 23:32.13 | javispedro | it's thumb |
| 23:32.23 | Woolly | thumb? |
| 23:32.24 | javispedro | I mean, it's compiled to thumb |
| 23:32.34 | javispedro | you may need to pass -mthumb to gcc |
| 23:32.59 | Woolly | what does that do? |
| 23:33.17 | javispedro | generates thumb machine code |
| 23:33.21 | javispedro | instead of 32 bit arm |
| 23:33.25 | Woolly | ahh |
| 23:33.32 | javispedro | ~thumb |
| 23:33.33 | infobot | Configurable image directory thumbnail viewer. URL: http://www.datrix.co.za/thumb/ |
| 23:33.34 | Woolly | I'll try that |
| 23:33.44 | javispedro | (that didn't work) |
| 23:34.00 | Woolly | haha |
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| 23:34.37 | Woolly | okay, so I no longer have an fadd error, which is good! Now I have an __aeabi_dcmple error |
| 23:35.09 | javispedro | how are you calling the linker? |
| 23:35.25 | Woolly | ld -shared batoo.o batoo_wrap.o -lm -o _batoo.so |
| 23:36.07 | javispedro | try using gcc instead of ld (same arguments) |
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| 23:38.29 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSkAFGGv5nY Some video from the westergasfabriek location in amsterdam for the maemo 2009 summit |
| 23:39.30 | Woolly | javispedro: I could kiss you! haha |
| 23:40.20 | javispedro | Woolly, wait until Python loads it... |
| 23:40.38 | javispedro | oh, hi pupnik |
| 23:41.02 | Woolly | >>> batoo |
| 23:41.02 | Woolly | <module 'batoo' from 'batoo.pyo'> |
| 23:41.10 | Woolly | :D |
| 23:42.20 | javispedro | Woolly, I don't know if that proves anything... try to invoke any function |
| 23:42.58 | Woolly | dir(batoo) gives me analyse_row, which is what I'm looking for |
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| 23:48.44 | javispedro | pupnik, how complete did you leave your drpocketsnes port? did it render frames? |
| 23:49.29 | pupnik | no |
| 23:49.36 | javispedro | ah |
| 23:49.38 | pupnik | it loaded a game without complaining though |
| 23:49.50 | javispedro | a straight make did not work so I started borking it |
| 23:49.50 | pupnik | i dropped the final drawing - afaict it was emulating |
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| 23:50.02 | javispedro | and though I breaked it |
| 23:50.03 | pupnik | yeah dude, borking.... is what i was doing |
| 23:50.37 | pupnik | you got something happening? :?!?! |
| 23:50.56 | javispedro | yep, with sdl though |
| 23:51.12 | javispedro | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=310521&postcount=45 |
| 23:51.23 | Macer | http://tech.rancorous.net/2009/08/10/maemo-project-dev-and-pkg-sytem-in-maemo-1-introduction/ |
| 23:51.27 | Macer | there :) simple enough |
| 23:51.28 | Macer | haha |
| 23:51.37 | Macer | is going to be the lone wolf in this project |
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| 23:56.33 | javispedro | I've isolated the mario kart AI problem in the DSP1 emulation code |
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| 23:57.53 | Macer | heh |
| 23:58.00 | Macer | damn. johnx isn't around |
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