IRC log for #maemo on 20090808

00:00.12GeneralAntillesworries about what T-Mobile USA is likely to do to Maemo.
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03:05.15ideamonkI followed http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 till the end, now I'm getting these after the scratchbox installation - http://paste.ubuntu.com/249560/ where did I go wrong ?
03:08.36ideamonkanyone there ?
03:09.59ukkiis that with jaunty?
03:10.38ideamonkukki, yeah !
03:10.50ideamonkjaunty not supported ?
03:11.14ukkiit is, you just need to set few sysctls
03:11.34ukkijust a sec
03:12.18ideamonkk
03:12.25ukkitry adding thes to your /etc/sysctl.conf
03:12.27ukkiabi.vsyscall32 = 0
03:12.44ukkivm.mmap_min_addr = 4096
03:12.55ukkithen run sysctl -p
03:14.06ideamonkukki, Yeah! it worked
03:14.08ideamonkthanks :)
03:15.14ukkiyou may want to put that sysctl -p to your rc.local, i think ubuntu overrides those settings in its rc-scripts
03:17.42ideamonkyeah, done that
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04:08.12ideamonki was following http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 and have reached to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall, upon giving "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime" i get the following error -- /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set. How do I set that variable ?
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05:19.22ideamonki was following http://danielkitta.org/howto/maemo-amd64 and have reached to http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall, upon giving "fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-runtime" i get the following error -- /scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set. How do I set that variable ?
05:19.29ideamonkoops
05:19.36ideamonkmistype
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06:01.35StskeepsGeneralAntilles: it does say 'tilt position'
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06:02.41Stskeepsalso, '#define MCE_ORIENTATION_ON_STAND"on_stand"
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06:06.23d34dm4nguys which linux are you all using for maemo ddevelopment ?
06:06.32d34dm4nI've heard that it runs only on Debian
06:07.14Stskeepsi use ubuntu personally
06:07.54d34dm4n9.04 ?
06:08.19d34dm4nand has anyone tried setting up maemo on opensuse ?
06:10.23Stskeepsthere's installation guides
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07:13.16JaffaMorning all
07:13.24Stskeepsmorning Jaffa
07:13.36StskeepsFCC filing morning :)
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07:16.26JaffaYeah
07:18.24JaffaI pasted the linhk last night
07:18.27Stskeepsah
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07:25.43Jaffa:)
07:28.09RST38hEric Schmidt has been paid in Apple products for serving on Apple board =)
07:28.23RST38hThe ultimate nut =)
07:28.40slonopotamusStskeeps, hi. how was that gstreamer closed plugin named?
07:28.46Stskeepsslonopotamus: hantro, but it's not important
07:28.51Stskeepsi think it's ARM codec only
07:29.11slonopotamusStskeeps, google buys on2
07:29.53Stskeepsyeah i know
07:30.36slonopotamusso we can try asking for it from google :)
07:32.02RST38hwhy would you need an on2 codec?
07:32.27Stskeepshantro does h264 codecs
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08:36.12RST38hShit, I am tired of this :(
08:36.22Stskeepswhich, the RX-51? :P
08:36.54RST38hEvery time these idiots upgrade DC++ client, even by a tertiary version number, it "forgets" about Cyrillic support
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08:45.59pupnik_rocks out to Pixies - Velouria
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08:54.25RST38hahahahaha! found it!!!!
08:59.42woglinderst found what?
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09:01.36RST38hwoglinde: found what was wrong
09:01.54RST38hsome windows update reset default language support in windows settings
09:02.49woglindehaha
09:02.51woglindelol
09:02.56woglindepoor windows and localization
09:03.05Stskeepshmm, i found test report 2 and HAC rf in the rx-51 stuff
09:03.07Stskeepswasn't there before
09:03.09RST38hwell, it actually works when set up properly
09:03.14RST38hLinux does not
09:03.20Stskeepshttps://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=700650&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-51%27
09:03.20woglindehuh?
09:03.28woglindelinux works the same
09:03.28RST38hwhat is HAC?
09:03.34woglindeif you set up it right
09:03.39RST38hNo
09:03.40woglindehi stskeep
09:03.43woglinderst sure
09:03.44RST38hThis has been discussed before
09:04.34thuxot wonder is there place to file symbian bugs think i found one related to screen saver timeout and back light off
09:04.37RST38hBasically, if I do not set locale, a lot of programs will not support cyrillics, and if I set up locale, the system starts printing dates in Russian
09:05.09woglindewhats the problem with dates in russian?
09:05.11Stskeepsinteresting
09:05.12RST38hAnd there is apparently no way to set it properly (i.e. system uses US or UK locale but apps assume cyrillics)
09:05.21woglindeset the locale for date to something else
09:05.21StskeepsRST38h: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Sum&calledFromFrame=N&RequestTimeout=500&application_id=700650&fcc_id=%27LJPRX-51%27
09:05.28RST38hwoglinde: Look ugly, fonts are somewhat out of alignment
09:05.39RST38hsts: =)
09:05.42Stskeepsglance at the "available date"
09:05.43woglindethen use another font
09:06.13RST38hwoglinde: thank you but I would rather just see dates in english
09:06.14Stskeeps11/08/2009 internal + external photos available
09:06.18RST38h=)
09:06.23woglinderst set LC_TIME
09:06.36Stskeepswait.. is the MM/DD/YY or DD/MM/YY? :P
09:06.42woglindehms
09:06.49woglindemy son wnats to drive bycicle
09:06.54woglindetill later
09:07.02Stskeepsoh god damnit, not a november release..
09:07.23RST38hhehe
09:07.28qwerty12_N810is waiting for the Harmattan release
09:07.30RST38hwoglinde: does not work =(
09:07.41RST38hdunno why, can only conclude that locale support is broken
09:08.16RST38hqwerty: I suggest a new SPENT_ON_HARMATTAN tag =)
09:08.29qwerty12_N810:P
09:08.32RST38hqwerty: As in "not buying fremantle device, will spend on harmattan"
09:08.48Stskeepswhen was N800 released again?
09:08.52Stskeeps1 december?
09:09.18qwerty12_N810RST38h: That pretty much sums what I'll be doing :)
09:09.22qwerty12_N810+up
09:10.06RST38h11/08/09 is when confidentiality expires
09:10.28Stskeepsso we have an upper bound for announcement
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09:10.35RST38hyeo
09:10.38RST38hp
09:10.43Stskeepstime to place bets!
09:11.19VDVsxbets... :)
09:11.25VDVsxmorning all :)
09:11.31RST38hGAN is right, if it is AFTER the summit, a lot of people will be majorly pissed
09:12.50Jaffaqwerty12_N810: I'd assume that you should get included in a device programme, if there is one.
09:13.10JaffaMight be the next council which decides, which is worrying if someone like penguinbait gets elected.
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09:14.11Jaffacan't imagine him being quite as thorough in things like meeting minutes, and agile methodologies IYSWIM
09:14.19qwerty12_N810Jaffa: I've never programmed anything; just did shit ports of programs :)
09:14.51Jaffaqwerty12_N810: Device programmes aren't just for programmers ;-p
09:14.51ukkiqwerty12_N810: that is getting old
09:15.05ukkiqwerty12_N810: you if anyone should get it
09:15.09JaffaAnyone who enriches the community
09:15.42RST38hJust write something on your own already so that you no longer can claim the above
09:16.12JaffaPatching HAM; Helping other packagers on tmo; active in the community
09:16.17JaffaIt's a no brainer, TBH
09:16.50Stskeepsdevice programmes usually do require a bit of payment though doesn't it?
09:17.08JaffaHistorically $99 or 69eur IIRC
09:17.20Stskeepsnot bad
09:18.17RST38h$150.
09:18.32RST38hnot $99. No idea about euros.
09:19.26JaffaLast one was 99eur and local equivs. http://maemo.org/news/announcements/1192708879/
09:20.53JaffaWhich was 69gbp
09:21.50Jaffaqwerty12_N810: You're #6 on karma. I think that entitles you to a device discount (if there is a programme for the RX-51)
09:22.09qwerty12_N810:)
09:22.29Jaffa903 for products. Blimey, what're you down as the (co-)author of?!
09:23.45qwerty12_N810Can't even remember fully now :/
09:25.49qwerty12_N810(Old maemo.org site did make it a little easier by having a list :))
09:26.20JaffaIndeed :(
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10:00.38javispedro(checked the logs)
10:00.48javispedroStskeeps, cool (the kickstand thing). Hope it indicates something.
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10:01.18lardmanmorning
10:01.19javispedro~seen ideamonk
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10:01.36javispedroah, ideamonk, did you get sbox working?
10:02.10javispedromorning lardman
10:02.18ideamonkjavispedro, i could.nt get apt-get working inside sbox
10:02.41ideamonkjavispedro, im planning to get ubuntu 32bit and end up all the hassles in 40 minutes :)
10:02.51javispedroi doubt this is related to amd64
10:03.04javispedroin facted I wanted you to test something...
10:03.21ideamonktellme
10:03.56ideamonkjavispedro, im trying again
10:04.10javispedroas root, do  sysctl abi.vsyscall32=2
10:04.19javispedro(notice it's 0 instead of 2)
10:04.23javispedroargh
10:04.27javispedro*(notice it's 2 instead of 0)
10:04.34ideamonkhmm 1 sec
10:04.41javispedrothen try to launch scratchbox and see what happens
10:05.05ideamonkhmm same thing..
10:05.19javispedrosame thing means it launches OK?
10:05.23javispedrono rtld assertion failure?
10:05.33ideamonknopes
10:05.39javispedrogood, thanks
10:05.41ideamonkWelcome to Scratchbox, the cross-compilation toolkit!
10:05.41ideamonkUse 'sb-menu' to change your compilation target.
10:05.42ideamonkSee /scratchbox/doc/ for documentation.
10:06.02ideamonkbut man im stuck at http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall
10:06.04ideamonkSTEP 6
10:06.04javispedroyou can leave vsyscall32 set to 2, should result in better performance than leaving it to 0
10:06.17ideamonkapt-get isn't wroking
10:06.24javispedrolog?
10:06.29ideamonk[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > apt-get update
10:06.29ideamonkError loading /usr/bin/apt-get
10:06.35ideamonkthats all i get
10:07.20javispedrotry gcc -v?
10:07.47ideamonkhmm
10:07.48javispedro(don't paste the full output, just check it if does not say "Error loading")
10:07.48ideamonkReading specs from /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486/gcc.specs
10:07.48ideamonkrename spec cpp to old_cpp
10:07.48ideamonkrename spec cc1 to old_cc1
10:07.48ideamonkrename spec cc1plus to old_cc1plus
10:07.49ideamonkrename spec link to old_link
10:07.50ideamonkTarget: i486-pc-linux-gnu
10:07.53ideamonkConfigured with: /home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/src/gcc-4.2/configure --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --target=i486-pc-linux-gnu --enable-threads --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --disable-libgomp --disable-libstdcxx-pch --with-gnu-as --with-gnu-ld --enable-languages=c,c++ --enable-shared --enable-symvers=gnu --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-nls --prefix=/opt/maemo --with-sysroot=/opt/maemo/i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc --with-build
10:07.53javispedrotoo late :)
10:07.57ideamonk-sysroot=/home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/install/i486-pc-linux-gnu/libc --with-build-time-tools=/home/jhakala/cs2007q3+sb2/build2/install/i486-pc-linux-gnu/bin
10:08.00ideamonkThread model: posix
10:08.02ideamonkgcc version 4.2.1
10:08.04ideamonkoh
10:08.06ideamonklol no error!
10:08.12ideamonkyeah too late :)
10:09.03javispedrosb-conf show --devkits?
10:09.08ideamonkjavispedro, im trying with sb-menu again maybe i missed something, which CPU-transparency method to use /
10:09.15ideamonk?
10:09.30javispedroprobably not since you're in X86 mode, there should be not CPU-transparency method involved
10:09.46javispedroideamonk, try "sb-conf show"
10:09.51ideamonkok
10:10.10ideamonkCompiler: cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486
10:10.10ideamonkDevkits: cputransp
10:10.11ideamonkCPU-transparency: /scratchbox/devkits/cputransp/bin/qemu-i386-0.8.2-sb2
10:10.20ideamonkhmm i guess i've got cputrans enables
10:10.24ideamonk*enabled
10:10.25javispedroyes :)
10:10.33javispedroand not all devkits installed/selected
10:11.05javispedroon my installation devkits are "perl debian-etch doctools svn git" and no cputransp.
10:11.07ideamonkokay so shall i go through sb-menu and select them
10:11.16ideamonkyeah i guess i missed selecting them
10:11.42javispedroand select "none" as cputransp if asked
10:11.50ideamonkon ubuntu should one select debian-* ?
10:11.57javispedroyes
10:12.38javispedrobtw ideamonk, did the automated sdk installation fail?
10:13.07ideamonkjavispedro, hmm didn't try this time though, last time i tried it failed for amd64
10:15.07ukkitry running it with setarch
10:16.02ideamonkjavispedro,  yess i selected all, and now apt-get works...
10:16.14ideamonkwoohoo i can proceed from step 6 now :)
10:16.19javispedroremember to prefix with "fakeroot"
10:16.37ideamonkyeah :)
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10:26.01RST38hHo ho ho
10:26.18lcukwhere?
10:26.22lcukand how much are they
10:26.23woglindere
10:26.31RST38hlcuk: In VMS.
10:26.36RST38hlcuk: Free.
10:26.54Stskeepsponders to start a betting pool on which week the RX-51 gets announced
10:27.25VDVsxStskeeps, there's one already, kind of
10:27.51VDVsxis just a thread, no pool :P
10:27.56RST38hAnd if you want to be different, wait for RX-71!
10:28.02VDVsxehhehe
10:28.04StskeepsRST38h: couldn't find RX-71 in FCC :P
10:28.07VDVsxmust better
10:28.15VDVsx*much
10:28.15RST38hponders on what the world has come to due to consumerism
10:28.23StskeepsVDVsx: well we have an upper limit on when FCC will show the pictures
10:28.31RST38hYes, there is only one way, one way...
10:28.45RST38hThe Tentacled One should harvest all the humans.
10:28.49RST38h=)
10:29.21VDVsxStskeeps, they(nokia) probably can request a extension on the conf time
10:29.33Stskeepsmm, probably
10:29.41RST38hMost definitely
10:29.50aolStskeeps: easy.... nokia world
10:29.52VDVsxanyway, I'm betting for Sep 2
10:30.04RST38hIn fact, they do not even have to release it. Just because they sent it to FCC for approval does not mean the actual product gets released.
10:30.19VDVsxRST38h, true, happened in the past
10:31.35Stskeepsmy bet is sep 2, and two handsets this year
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10:32.32aoltwo ? huh
10:32.37Stskeepsthe RX-51 and RX-71
10:32.48woglindehm rx-71
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10:32.59aolany guesses how 71 will be different ?
10:33.09lcukneural interface
10:33.11Stskeepsand then a wider strategy with more devices next year, moving away from symbian
10:34.49qwerty12_N810hopes that "Maemo Signed" will not be a reality due to network operators, etc. I like being able to install whatever :)
10:35.00javispedro"Maemo Signed"????
10:35.10javispedrothat's the dumbest decision nokia has ever made... for now.
10:35.23VDVsxnah, symbian also has big plans, I think they will co-exist, and share a lot of things between them
10:35.42aolI'm pretty sure they will
10:35.44qwerty12_N810"Symbian Signed" was the most stupidest shit I ever saw, it took me fkn ages to find a way to sign up
10:35.52aolbut symbian will be for the midrange phones
10:35.53javispedroVDVsx, agree. seeing the symbian roadmap I believe it's not going to disappear anytime soon.
10:36.09lcukqt will extend the utility of symbian for a while yet
10:36.17lcukeven if not directly
10:37.45lcukqwerty12_N810, wheres the maemo signed thingy
10:37.54lcukis it mentioned in the fcc stuff or elsewhere
10:38.04javispedroI think it's fortunately not :)
10:38.13qwerty12_N810No, it doesn't exist, hence the quotation marks
10:38.35VDVsxhell no, please please :P
10:39.09VDVsxmaemo signed == bye bye community :)
10:40.19javispedroI'm already worried about what the whole carrier thingie will mean
10:40.28aolmy guess is that they would do iphone like app distribution
10:40.42aoland for the nerds you could turn on some feature to install what ever
10:40.43javispedroimagine locked, special firmware versions for each carrier.
10:41.19qwerty12_N810Didn't Diablo already have one for some Singapore carrier?
10:41.35VDVsxspecial carrier firware's are a PITA
10:41.44qwerty12_N810Singtel, that's the one
10:42.04VDVsxyou've to wait and wait.... and wait for the firmware updates :(
10:42.15javispedroFWIW, tmo thread about the singtel firmware: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=24019
10:42.34qwerty12_N810always debrands his phones
10:42.47javispedrowill have to start doing it if he's not allower to buy free
10:42.55lcuktakes a branding iron down to london
10:42.56VDVsxfunny, didn't know that pearl:)
10:44.04javispedro's current siemens phone was bought liberated and he's very happy, probably the best cell-related decision he ever made.
10:44.04aolnever buys his phones with contract
10:44.12lardmanI hate Makefiles
10:45.07rkirti<PROTECTED>
10:45.09rkirti<PROTECTED>
10:45.15javispedrocrappy Movistar/Telefonica firmware tended to replace some of my themes' bitmaps with movistar logos and the useful screensaver clock with the useless rotating movistar logo screensaver
10:45.32rkirtioops.
10:45.33Stskeepsit'll be interesting to see how SIM lock will be done
10:45.41rkirtihas a screwed up keyboard
10:45.46qwerty12_N810javispedro: Orange totally nuked the menu on my phone :(
10:46.19qwerty12_N810Telefonica... o2 here, which do the same as what you said
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10:46.50VDVsxjavispedro, same here, with the 3 major carriers :(
10:47.30javispedrocan't wait to see how they'll fsck Maemo
10:48.25VDVsxStskeeps, nokia has a lot of SIM lock technologies, but none is bulletproof right now
10:48.32qwerty12_N810~bitchslap libosso
10:48.33infobotACTION beats the sh*t out of libosso
10:49.49rkirtilibosso itself is still bearable compared to the muali stuff doped in it
10:51.09Stskeepsanyone uses muali? :P
10:54.09lardmanaargh, bloody Makefiles
10:54.19lardmangoes out in disgust
10:54.29slonopotamuslardman, use cmake :P
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11:06.36VDVsxhumm, is it possible to use bluez in sbox ?
11:07.07Stskeepsdoubt it
11:07.40lardman|awayslonopotamus: is it better?
11:07.47Stskeepsthat's why i like the VM approach of mer, timeless got his bluetooth working in Mer but not his host PC ;)
11:08.02lardman|awayis for DSP module building, so strange options and filename extensions
11:08.04`0660_:)
11:09.22VDVsxStskeeps, ehehe
11:10.01Stskeepsseriously though.. if diablo exists at x86, they could easily have made it bootable :P
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11:10.09Stskeepsthat would have made a lot of people happy
11:11.01lardman|awaybbl
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11:29.48t_s_ohmm, that fcc drawing suggests a device not much smaller then a N8*0, if its a 1:1 scale...
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11:35.31`0660_i wouldn't bet it on being on 1:1 scale :)
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11:40.13wazd_n800heya everyone
11:41.22VDVsxhello wazd_n800 :)
11:41.32ideamonkanyone coming for ilug bangalore meet this evening ?
11:42.21qwerty12_N810Sure, but only if you pay for my flight
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11:42.50ideamonkqwerty12_N810, ah :) maybe some other time, was looking for any maemo devs to get hold of
11:42.54ideamonkbye guys
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11:46.02RST38hmoo wazd
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11:47.04Zhilin_n800new tablet seen at FCC?)
11:47.32RST38hyep.
11:48.23Zhilin_n800how's it?)
11:48.39Zhilin_n800worth seeing?)
11:49.27RST38hif you like peering at FCC labels and device outlines, then yes
11:49.47RST38hthe outline does look similar to N810 in many ways
11:50.07RST38hAnd yes, there is a direct mention in the testing docs that you are supposed to hold it to your ear.
11:50.28Zhilin_n800oh, I thought there will be photos or something :)
11:50.44RST38hEverything closed until November 8 2009
11:51.30Zhilin_n800hmm, I think untill october 9 :)
11:51.49RST38hit said 11/x/x
11:52.44Zhilin_n800RST38h, I'm pretty sure they will show it at the summit :)
11:53.05VDVsxZhilin_n800, nokia world in Sep :)
11:53.29Zhilin_n800VDVsx, maybe :)
11:53.35RST38hwazd: If no, there is weed in Amsterdam.
11:53.40VDVsxI bet on that :P
11:53.49VDVsxSep 2 :)
11:54.10Zhilin_n800VDVsx, Fremantle can be unfinished in sep 2
11:54.13qwerty12_N810"Free zut with every purchase of Nokia's new phone"
11:55.19VDVsxZhilin_n800, yup, but they can show it anyway, like they did with the n97
11:55.33t_s_ohmm, 90 days...
11:56.35t_s_othat lands it in october, if its counted from the day the other documents are made public. or september if from when it was submitted...
11:57.01woglindeI bet dec for christmas presents
11:57.02Zhilin_n800I like how they call it "superphone" :)
11:57.53qwerty12_N810I wouldn't take that too closely; the N95 was a "mini-computer" or someshit...
11:58.43VDVsxqwerty12_N810, very advanced for his time, at least :)
11:58.45t_s_ooh crap, shark in the html5 waters...
11:58.47Zhilin_n800qwerty12_N810, mini-computer was nokia's branding
11:59.08Zhilin_n800qwerty12_N810, superphone - mass media's :)
11:59.32RST38hqwerty: N97 is also a mini computer btw
11:59.38RST38hqwerty: And BOTH N95 and N97 were the "first super computer" :)
12:00.06woglinde*g*
12:00.08qwerty12_N810:)
12:00.36RST38hs/super/mini
12:01.50RST38hsuspects that the whole idea of "choosing an audience" and then advertising for this audience is flowed
12:02.01t_s_oi would say that pda/phone makes computers even more personal...
12:02.14RST38hIt is like you choose a direction and walk in that direction, not minding the light poles, other people, traffic, and manholes
12:02.45RST38hBut that is exactly what Nokia is doing by targeting its N-series to "hip city dwellers" whatever these animals are
12:05.11Zhilin_n800but at least FCC appearance is a good sign, cause something is really going on :)
12:05.41RST38halso notice there is a stylus included
12:06.22Zhilin_n800RST38h, oh, nice :) They made it for lcuk :D
12:07.00RST38hyes, he can store his finger there =)
12:07.35wazd_n800RST38h, eeew :)
12:08.24RST38hpeople already lament the lack of led
12:09.21wazd_n800RST38h, who needs led :)
12:10.26RST38hI like LEDs! The replace shiny iPhone bodies as my fetish object!
12:10.53wazd_n800RST38h, is there any kb shown?
12:11.59RST38hnope
12:12.03RST38hno side view
12:12.18qwerty12_N810wonders who'll be the first to write the standard "Vibration" app...
12:12.33lcuk:D yayyyyyyyyyyyyyy stylusa
12:12.35lcuk-a
12:12.52RST38hqwerty: Who do you think we all are? iPhone users?
12:13.17lcuki wonder how well particle systems will work on this device.  im looking forward to more horsepower
12:13.48RST38hhow many particles are you looking at?=)
12:13.50lcuki might even have enough to run c++ :D
12:13.56qwerty12_N810RST38h: Hey, it's a phone after all, I've seen Java, Symbian apps, etc. for this purpose... :P
12:14.03lcukwell in original liqbase there are 2000 stars
12:14.07lcukbut they arent interacting particles
12:14.16lcuki couldnt get them working with more than about 100 last time i tried
12:14.42RST38hqwerty: Yes, but you need a large enough userbase for this kind of an app
12:14.45wazd_n800lcuk: cool useless effects ftw =)
12:14.54RST38hqwerty: Difficult to get outside of iPhone market!
12:15.05lcukwazd_n800, not just useless
12:15.36RST38hlcuk: I am pretty sure you can simulate a dozen or so with n810 without breaking a sweat
12:15.45lcukRST38h, and original liqbase had "particles" for the physics view
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12:15.54wazd_n800k, I've reached my station, gotta ride home :)
12:15.55lcukit happily allowed interaction of a few tiles
12:16.09lcukRST38h, it handled a few more than a dozen
12:16.22lcukbut they were tiles rather than particles
12:16.25wazd_n800cya in 30 mins
12:16.34woglindebye wazd
12:16.42RST38hlcuk: even better!
12:17.15lcukyeah - it managed to handle what i wanted it for back then (the resizing sketches thing
12:17.26lcuki want to do hot or not kind of ratings with what ive drawn
12:17.37lcukmove skketches to left/cold side or to right/hot side
12:17.41lcukwith a funky background
12:17.46lcuksave the location and i get a rating
12:21.00woglindelalalalaaa
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12:22.44lcuklol woglinde
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12:52.38wazd_n800I'm back)
12:52.50wazd_n800Just saw FCC pic)
12:53.23wazd_n800so much buttons'n'switches'n'holes'n'ports on the sides)
12:55.06lcukwazd_n800, have you seen the ninja shuriken holster?
12:55.29wazd_n800lcuk, nope)
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12:59.32wazd_n800and looks like there is a kickstand, thank god)
13:00.11RST38hno kickstand
13:00.25RST38hGAN already lamented that
13:00.41StskeepsRST38h: mce-dev claims "on stand"
13:00.43Stskeepsability
13:00.46wazd_n800RST38h, what's on the right edge then?
13:01.19RST38hlemme check again
13:01.26wazd_n800RST38h, looks like a kickstand for me
13:01.41Stskeepsand off stand
13:01.58RST38hwazd: I see nothing at the right edge
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13:02.56wazd_n800RST38h, wait, my display needs a warm up :D
13:03.08wazd_n800RST38h, I'll show i
13:04.16wazd_n800RST38h, or maybe I'm mistaken
13:05.15lcukJaffa, ping
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13:17.58woglindeah its done
13:18.03woglindehttps://www.alwaysinnovating.com/store/home.php
13:18.30RST38hAnyone remembers x86 branch hint instructions?
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13:20.40woglindehm external video connector didnt make it in
13:20.43woglindethats a pity
13:20.49RST38hyou do not know yet
13:21.01RST38hIt may be hidden at the third pin in the audio jack socket
13:21.16woglindeits not mentioned in the specs
13:22.08woglindehaha maybee you can replace the platine with the one from http://www.myigep.com/
13:22.12woglindethat would be cool
13:22.30glasswoglinde: could use usb monitors though?
13:22.32glasserm
13:22.57woglindeglass connecting to beamers?
13:22.59woglindehow
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13:23.16glasswoglinde: i'm speaking too fast, reading now .. :p
13:23.31glasswoglinde: it has usb ports, i read
13:23.43glasswoglinde: theres usb video connectors, which are pretty cheap
13:24.38glasswoglinde: iirc linux drivers for them too..
13:24.39woglindeglass do you have a link=
13:26.32glasswoglinde: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.28532
13:26.52glasswoglinde: afaik they're all pretty much based on the same chip
13:27.08glasswoglinde: linux drivers state I'm not sure
13:27.32woglindehm 60$
13:27.41Stskeepssisusb? :P
13:27.51glassStskeeps: yeah probably
13:28.40glasskinda nice that sis has found an use for their crappy chips :p
13:29.11woglindehm seems my update of the ti_gstreamer stuff in oe makes sin
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13:55.38RST38hmoo glass
13:57.04RST38hglass: You do not know how I can use branch hints in MASM? (x86 version)
13:58.12glassRST38h: sorry. I suck in x86 asm
13:58.26glassRST38h: only thin i can do is switch videomode and query bios provided stuff
13:58.55RST38hehh...
13:59.06glassRST38h: dos stuff..
13:59.27glassi haven't done assembly since then
13:59.32glassexcept hitachi
14:00.04glassRST38h: but out of curiosity.. what you're doing?
14:00.23RST38hglass: binary translator
14:00.30glassoh
14:00.32woglindeqemu?
14:01.22RST38hno
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14:06.15Owner_hi chan
14:06.56kpelhi Erhenius
14:07.28Erheniusanyone who can help a chap with his smart q7
14:07.43Stskeepsyou're probably better off in #mer
14:07.44Stskeeps:P
14:07.50Erheniusah
14:07.52Erheniusk
14:07.55kpeli don't even know what a q7  is
14:08.39Erheniuslol a nice cheap *ss tablet
14:09.07kpelic. linux based?
14:09.51Erheniusyep
14:10.11Erheniuswith a very flakey ubuntu on it
14:10.49kpelthat's always the problem with any linux device.
14:11.40Erheniusyeah its as flakey as my uncles dandroughf
14:11.47kpelthe manufacturers don't pay enough attention to software quality, availability and upgradability.
14:11.58Erheniusmer is quit snappy but a bit of a haslw
14:12.00Erheniuse
14:13.44kpellet's hope the next nokia tablet will be better and more reasonably priced. i'm getting tired of my N800 :)
14:14.23Erheniusmaw just bought this unit
14:14.31Erheniusso no gadgets for me for a while
14:27.10RST38hkpel: Yes, continue hoping
14:27.22RST38hWhile we will all be having fun watching you wait =)
14:28.55kpelRST38h: if it is such fun watching me hoping i'll get myself a mirror :)
14:29.19kpeli know, it's never going to happen. just daydreaming
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14:39.03RST38hYep
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14:39.49StskeepsRST38h: you do -not- want to get a russian rx-51
14:40.24RST38hSts: Why?
14:40.26Stskeeps2 arrow buttons vs 4
14:40.27RST38hSts: The only difference in N810 was a bit different keyboard
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14:40.31RST38hAh that
14:40.42Stskeepsi thought that was only scandinavian but seems not
14:40.44RST38hBut we are not getting arrow buttons, are we? :)
14:40.54Stskeepsgo look at the xkb-data file..
14:40.55Stskeeps:P
14:41.28RST38hSts: Ohreally???
14:41.34RST38hWell maybe it is for the later models
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14:41.54Stskeepsxkbdata-0.8/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 :P
14:42.07RST38hSts: But you are not that far off. Do you know what happened with N97? :)
14:42.19Stskeepsnop?
14:42.22wazdRST38h: don't tell him :)
14:42.32RST38hwazd: He may enjoy the shared misery =)
14:42.50Stskeepsdanish rx-51's are about as fucked
14:42.50Stskeeps:P
14:42.50RST38hwazd: Him having to deal with danish rx-51 ;)
14:43.01wazdStskeeps: haha, lawlz :)
14:43.13RST38hSts: Anyways, Cyrillic keyboards have "B" on the "," key
14:43.21wazdStskeeps: welcome to the club :D
14:43.49RST38hSts: Nokia has been so busy cutting down the number of keys that they killed the "," key, so on N97 you can only enter cyrillic "B" with a SHIFT key
14:44.16RST38hSts: And yes, it occurs about as frequent as English "B" in texts :)
14:44.25Stskeeps<3
14:44.31wazdStskeeps: and B is really popular letter, not like Û or Ú :D
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14:44.49Stskeepsthere's always key remapping is what i keep telling myself.
14:44.57RST38hSts: Not on N97 of course
14:45.08RST38hSts: And not if you are simply lacking keys
14:45.45Stskeepssure, but i can quickly find things i can rearrange :P
14:45.52Stskeepslike, a euro sign
14:45.52Stskeeps:P
14:46.13Stskeepsor swedish characters noone uses
14:46.17kpelso the only solution is one of those smal and expensive bluetooth qwerty keyboards?
14:46.24RST38his getting a US tablet anyway
14:46.26kpelsmall rather
14:46.40RST38hEspecially is Nokia enrolls me into that discount program
14:46.48StskeepsRST38h: i might want one with warranty personally
14:46.52Stskeepsbut we'll see
14:47.06RST38hSts: US tablets have warranties
14:47.15RST38hSts: Besides, isn't nokia giving worldwide warranties?
14:47.18Stskeepsnop
14:47.22RST38hOh well
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14:49.44RST38h13.8 VUPS hehe
14:50.37RST38hLet us see if I can hit 15 VUPS...
14:50.53jaskathats over 2x my vax :(
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14:51.42RST38hjaska: the goal is to make it 5x your vax :)
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14:54.49jaska38 vups thatd be... altho my vax can be carried with one hand too :)
14:55.09RST38hjaska: Mine too (1.2kg)
14:55.30jaskamaybe 20kg or so this one
14:55.57RST38hActually (being serious) you can get a 5-7kg MicroVAX the size of a lunch box
14:56.11RST38hWe had those back at the university, running Ultrix
14:58.07jaskayeah, mines a vaxstation 3100m76 spx, dont think it weighs 20kg.. but not much anyway :)
14:58.22wazdRST38h: I just got an idea
14:58.40wazdRST38h: RX-51 is that slider phone that Eldar has told us about
14:59.13RST38hwazd: Well, it has to be either 51 or 71
14:59.33RST38hwazd: But he said it was real small and I do not see that footprint as real small
14:59.50RST38hjaska: Got a SUN IPX as well? :)
14:59.52StskeepsRST38h: developer units felt light and "tiny" but not when using it
14:59.56RST38hOr maybe SUN4/SUN5?
15:00.04wazdRST38h: FCC documents saying that it has "numpad slider" and it's portrait oriented in that drawing :)
15:00.05Stskeepsas in, display wise / use
15:00.15RST38hwazd: Oh holy fuck
15:00.31RST38hwazd: If it has got a numpad slider, it won't have the keyboard, right?
15:00.43jaskahmm.. ipx, yes
15:00.46wazdRST38h: dunno :)
15:00.57RST38hgets respect for jaska
15:01.03jaska2 ipx, 2 classic, 1 lx
15:01.07RST38hAn original NeXT pizza box, and you are all set =)
15:01.20RST38hCubes are nontypical
15:01.28wazdRST38h: you can easily calculate the size of the device using FCC mark
15:01.36jaskathat i lack :(
15:01.36wazdit's the same on every device
15:01.44RST38hwazd: You have done it already, right? =)
15:01.55wazdjust open some other already released device and compare :)
15:02.07RST38hjaska: I knew a girl who had one (with display of course) at her coffee table. Made a perfect conversation item.
15:02.12wazdRST38h: I don't know how to search for devices on their site :D
15:02.17RST38hjaska: Better than any magazine
15:02.28RST38hwazd: No problemo, a moment
15:02.42wazdRST38h: wait, I'll do it myself :)
15:03.45wazdRST38h: no, I can't :D
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15:03.58RST38hwazd: I had a link. Lemme locate it...
15:06.30wazdBL-5J - 1320 Mah
15:07.11wazdsame as 5800 has
15:08.27RST38hwazd: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/GenericSearch.cfm
15:08.38RST38henjoy
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15:09.40wazdhttp://www.engadget.com/2006/10/28/fcc-confirms-new-nokia-internet-tablet-device/
15:09.43wazdlol :)
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15:13.14wazdRST38h: no I guess it's the tablet :)
15:13.26RST38hwhy the numeric dialpad then?
15:13.30wazdRST38h: cause lock slider on the bottom is too ridiculous :)
15:14.22wazdRST38h: dunno, i need to check again, maybe it's not numpad, but keypad
15:14.34RST38hthat's a lot of difference though
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15:14.48wazdRST38h: yep
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15:15.18wazdRST38h: I bet my mockup is not so far from the real device :)
15:15.43RST38hwazd: you are in serious danger from black helicopters from Oulu then
15:17.15wazdRST38h: maybe I should redraw it into something more realistic and send to engadget hahaha :)
15:18.06RST38hmake it a photo!
15:18.31wazdRST38h: damn, why am I not a 3D guru, I could make the world sweat every time I wake up :)
15:19.26RST38hOr just create endless renderings of fairy castles, dragons, medieval hardware, naked fairies, and unicorns
15:19.46wazdRST38h: I should lock myself in the closet and learn some 3DS at last
15:19.49RST38hSo, be careful what you wish for =)
15:20.17RST38hwazd: Funny thing is, I tried that (when I still had an Amiga) and found it more boring than assembly programming =)
15:25.51glassi've been freshening up my modelling skills
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15:26.41glassthe mesh editor in moray is pretty good
15:26.59wazdglass: we can collaborate and make epic fake :)
15:27.12glasswazd: yeah. i've been trying out the options in povray too
15:27.55glasswazd: much less time consuming now :DD
15:28.29wazdglass: I have a pretty powerful hardware, you can send me images to render :)
15:28.57wazdglass: 4Gb of ram, 9800Gt 1Gb, 4400 X2
15:29.12wazdglass: not the top gear but it's fast :)
15:29.15glasswazd: nice. i got asus rog laptop
15:29.47glassnice: 2.5ghz or so dualcore, 4gb, 9700 nvidia
15:30.10glasswazd: but what i'd need would be development box
15:30.22wazdglass: nice, but I'ts more tabletop :D
15:30.32glassyeah
15:30.39wazdglass: you'll break your legs with it :D
15:30.42glassgot a 25" monitor
15:31.02glasswazd: well, work let me chose my laptop, i needed a fast desktop
15:31.17glasswould be really handy for lan parties too
15:32.01wazdglass: yep
15:32.24glassit came with a backpack too
15:32.41wazdglass: and with servant to carry :)
15:32.44glass15.4" and hdmi out
15:33.04glassi can't type on tiny laptops anyways :D
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15:33.32wazdglass: well, tiny or not, mostly laps have same kbs
15:33.37glasswazd: i hate most "corporate" laptop layouts too
15:33.45glasswazd: this is a 'gaming' laptop :D
15:33.51glassso the kb is pretty standard
15:34.00wazdglass: yep
15:34.02glassnot curved, got a numpad
15:34.04glasscan play nethack
15:34.18wazdglass: that's the main advantage :D
15:34.30glasswell who uses numpad for anything else. really?
15:34.55wazdglass: I bind commands in AA3 on numpad keys :)
15:35.29RST38hglass: Angband!
15:35.39RST38hZAngband even, as it is more cruel
15:36.05glassRST38h: is it more cruel than nethack?
15:36.10glassi don't know if i want that
15:36.30RST38hOh yes you want it
15:37.02RST38hI mean, you are not going to skip your chance to kill Finnish prime minister, running around you and screaming "let us all be friends"?
15:37.18glassRST38h: maybe if we had a cooler pm
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15:37.28glassRST38h: the current one is going out and has totally failed his image anyways
15:37.45RST38hHe will be represented with an ASCII character, do not be afraid
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15:37.58RST38hBesides, last time it was Marti Ahtisaari, I think it is still him
15:38.08glassmartti ahtisaari was president
15:38.11glass<PROTECTED>
15:38.15glass<PROTECTED>
15:38.24RST38hSo, you get a bonus of kicking president's ass
15:38.38glasscurrent prime minister, vanhanen, got the job because the one before him was in a scandal
15:38.43RST38hAlso, there is Bull Gates, living in a castle filled with money
15:38.55RST38hOnce you collect the money, castle gets filled with Grid Bugs
15:39.00glassi don't think that bill would be that fun. like, that would be awesome
15:39.04glassa castle full of money
15:39.24RST38hWell, the idea is NOT to complete that quest, and go there for money again and again
15:39.33RST38hSo, the game is pretty close to reality =)
15:41.07GAN800glass, time to play with GI. ;)
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15:42.01glassbill hasn't done anything that imaginative in his life, so i'd give him high regards if he actually had a bouncy castle full of cash
15:42.33glasshe could beam out youtube videos to steve from there
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15:47.28glasswazd: if you need 3d models for tech demos.. i'm totally available for doing them
15:47.35glassor anyone
15:48.29wazdglass: thanks :)
15:49.06RST38hGot a stupid question
15:49.09wazdglass: what do you use for modelling?
15:49.17RST38hIs there any way to find out the number of arguments in the va_list???
15:52.04glasswazd: moray, i can transfer them to "anything"
15:52.20glasswazd: i got some grasp of whats low poly and whats not too
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16:00.52javispedroRST38h, afaik there can't be a portable way to find out the number of arguments in bare C
16:02.50wazdglass: oh, nice :) Is it hard to model there for absolute beginner? :)
16:03.02glasswazd: absolutely not!
16:03.16glasswazd: though it's windows only. runs fine on vista, whatever, it used to be a dos program
16:03.28glasswazd: it has a great help file built in
16:03.34glasswazd: very engineering oriented
16:04.01qwerty12_N810Hmm, seen latest RX-51 post?
16:04.14qwerty12_N810There's supposed pics there. Looks legit IMO
16:04.30glasswazd: windows version has opengl support too.. if you switch on aa from nvidia settings it looks pretty
16:05.03glasswazd: i haven't touched the animation/keyframing myself yet
16:05.50wazdqwerty12_N810: where? what? I'll kill you! :D
16:05.50javispedroI'll kill Nokia.
16:05.50javispedro3-row keyboard.
16:05.52qwerty12_N810It's legit; there's a RX-51 sticker
16:05.53wazdoh!
16:05.54qwerty12_N810tmo
16:06.28qwerty12_N810Keyboard looks hot, but the buttons are on the small side :\
16:06.40wazdn95 like kickstand
16:06.48wazdwell, better than nothing
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16:08.30wazdqwerty12_N810: the screen is covered with opaque material I guess :)
16:08.32qwerty12_N810And that is not a space bar. Eurgh.
16:09.04lcukthis sounds like pictures convo - is there a link?
16:09.08qwerty12_N810tmo
16:09.34qwerty12_N810I'm on a tablet with firefox open on my desktop so I can't copy and paste
16:11.00lcukfound em
16:13.42javispedroRx-51 "prototype" says the box
16:14.05lcukshiny, do you think they intended to include the emei code along with the photos?
16:14.31qwerty12_N810Was they meant to be leaked in the first place? =)
16:14.34Stskeepsfuck yes, the good keys :>
16:14.48glassanything that sents out in boxes gets leaked
16:14.59lcuklol Stskeeps :D you mean "not the diamond keys everyone was pondering about a couple of months ago lol
16:15.20Stskeepshttp://i30.tinypic.com/351wbnm.jpg
16:15.24Stskeepsis that a SD card reader?
16:15.31Stskeepsor sim
16:15.42qwerty12_N810That'd be a SIM
16:16.12lcukneeds a sim for modem doesnt it
16:16.15javispedrothey're two sd-like readers on that photo?
16:16.22javispedroone is the sim, the other?
16:16.36Stskeepsi wonder if that's minisd or microsd
16:16.37glassmicrosd?
16:16.38lcuksd
16:16.43javispedromust be microsd
16:16.50javispedrosmaller than a simcard lol :D
16:16.58glassmicrosd would make sense anyhow
16:17.15lcukyou are looking on the wrong scale - new sim cards are 6" and put old floppy disks to shame
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16:17.48javispedrodefinitely there is something in that picture that screams wrong scale
16:17.51lcukahhh my mistake - i had zoomed in ;)
16:18.11javispedromy brain doesn't seem to be able to size that :P
16:18.19glassjavispedro: the soft plastic of the box filler?
16:18.40glass"soft" erm..
16:18.53javispedroprobably....
16:18.54glassjavispedro: what i mean, it looks like it's zoomed in.. but thats just the way plastic like that looks
16:20.25lcukcan you find out when pictures were uploaded to tinypic
16:20.43Stskeepswhat on earth is that cover thing..
16:20.58lcukprotective sheet by the looks of it
16:21.03Stskeepsalso, a victory for fat fingers
16:21.17lcukprobably not transparent because people left the n810 ones on i believe and had low sensitivity
16:22.20wazdhttp://i079.radikal.ru/0908/df/1f4889c456a7.jpg <- quick redraw :)
16:22.49javispedroheh, it has the phone green-red buttons after all
16:26.42RST38hwazd: Ohmygod it is an iphone
16:26.47Stskeeps5mp .. good or bad?
16:27.00RST38hdoes not matter, it will suck anyway
16:27.17javispedroRST38h, my thoughs exactly. would better put all those megapixels in some other place
16:27.35Stskeepsalso, what's with the obscene amount of connectors in the back?
16:27.48wazdRST38h: well, it's good to capture something on the go
16:27.57Mekprobably for hardware debugging?
16:28.06Stskeepswell some is battery, some is serial, but 4? :P
16:28.20RST38hwazd: it's not, not where we live anyway
16:28.22wazdRST38h: you definitely won't take photographs of your wedding with this :D
16:28.35VDVsxStskeeps, jtag probably,
16:28.41RST38hwazd: have you seen how standard cell phone camera behaves in winter or in a room?
16:29.01wazdRST38h: nope)
16:29.06glassRST38h: nokias do ok in winter
16:29.10RST38hwazd: Now, in sunny California or Florida that would actually work
16:29.37glassRST38h: winter is very bright if theres snow. for couple of hours a day anyways
16:29.39RST38hwazd: In here you get a smeared bluish gray something
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16:29.47Stskeepsponders what stupid photographer takes pictures of the box..
16:29.58wazdStskeeps: Sd, sim, and battery, where's 4? :)
16:30.02RST38hglass: Ah, snow...In snow/sun the image just gets white :)
16:30.05Stskeepswazd: no, the dotted connectors
16:30.22RST38hglass: Ca'use not only it has low sensitivity but the dynamic range sucks
16:30.23javispedroheh. so no more internal/external sd. but internal/internal2 sd.
16:30.44Mekat least you don't have to remove the battery for the sd card :)
16:30.46glassRST38h: well i was counting as standard what n70 had years ago
16:30.57glassRST38h: in bright it's excellent
16:31.11RST38hglass: Weird you have not chosen N93 as a benchmark :)
16:31.13glasscrap.. i need to renew my flickr
16:31.23glassRST38h: n93 takes crappy photos, thats why
16:31.25RST38hglass: E70 absolutely sucks at photos. Same goes for 5800.
16:31.28Stskeepsjavispedro: at least you don't have to remove battery for it
16:31.51RST38hglass: Did not have chance to check other Nokias but not expecting anything new
16:31.58javispedrofortunately for me, I'm yet to switch the SD card once
16:32.14glassRST38h: there was some bullcrap with the image coding and such on n93.. iirc
16:32.30glassRST38h: n93 was a very short lived model
16:32.31RST38hglass: it was still the best camera nokia ever produced
16:32.38RST38hglass: N93i then
16:32.41glassRST38h: on paper yeah. but not on any awards :D
16:32.52glass93i was very shortlived too
16:33.01glassit has some perks
16:33.02RST38hhmmm
16:33.06glassvideo is good with it
16:33.11RST38hyep
16:33.18Stskeepswonders what user count talk.* will reach tonight
16:33.24wazdRST38h: they almost got enough buttons for russian layout btw :)
16:33.33Stskeeps210 atm  :P
16:33.46RST38hAnyways, not expecting anything good from the camera. Will just buy a Canon G11 or G10 and make myself at piece
16:33.59RST38hSts: Good time to troll? ;)
16:34.05wazdRST38h: By 5D, be a man :D
16:34.10glassRST38h: i got 1000+ pics on flickr with various camera phones :\    but as i'm expired it only shows last 200
16:34.20RST38hwazd: And carry it...where? =)
16:34.31wazdRST38h: G11 is not so small too :)
16:34.32glassRST38h: bright sun and short exposure time is best with n70 and such
16:34.34RST38hglass: A fanatic! =)
16:34.49RST38hwazd: G11 does not yet exist, G10 fits the pocket (just barely though)
16:34.51glassRST38h: well it was fun. i configured auto upload at one point :p
16:34.56RST38hHeh
16:35.02RST38hWith automatic location by GPS? :)
16:35.05glassso everytime after a pic, it asked to upload
16:35.08VeggenI've got a Nikon D700. And a Nikon D200 for when I feel like travelling light ;)
16:35.11glassdidn't have gps :\
16:35.16glassalso gps brings battery problems
16:35.26glassand waiting for fix
16:35.27Veggen(my old one, didn't get around to sell it or anything yet)
16:35.49wazdVeggen: I've D70, it feels a bit heavy sometimes
16:36.32Veggenwazd: D70 is pretty light especially compared to D700, but also compared to D200.
16:36.51RST38hwazd: More concerned about "big" than "heavy"
16:37.05Veggen....I actually have an old D70 too. which I was gonna sell at one point, but she ended up buying a D200.
16:37.05RST38hwazd: So I guess even the upcoming 3/4 cameras are not for me...
16:37.09wazdanyway, I really wonder why they have hidden the screen on hte photos
16:37.38wazdRST38h: I saw a review of olimpus at twit.tv - it's cool, but not pocketable
16:38.10RST38hwazd: exactly
16:38.31RST38hwazd: A had a Casio Exilim 750 for a while, until my family broke it
16:38.50RST38hwazd: As far as really small cameras go, the 750 was a life saver
16:38.56Luke-Jrthere's an idea
16:39.01Luke-JrI should port Linux to my digicam
16:39.03wazdRST38h: well, you can't pocket any device with changable optics :)
16:39.07RST38hAlas, the no longer produce good Exilims
16:39.24RST38hwazd: Olympus with the pancake lens is more or less pocketable
16:39.38RST38hwazd: What would you use the pancake for though? Lomography at $800? :)
16:40.23RST38hShit gentlemen could somebody help me with va_list? :(
16:40.25wazdRST38h: sure :)
16:41.04wazdhates people that quotes posts with all photos and stuff :(
16:41.32Stskeepsat least i'm happy that i've found my next phone :)
16:41.43RST38hwazd: How about photoshopping one of those fcc documents to insert a reference to Android?
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16:42.01RST38hSts: Same here, although I am still suspecting a disappointment
16:42.23RST38hwazd: We can then post it to t.m.o and watch the show?
16:42.53StskeepsRST38h: there's a stand, the delicious keys we felt in cph, a good camera, 3g, so, i'm sold :P
16:42.55wazdRST38h: I have a really long photoshoping list, I think it will become old when I get to it :)
16:43.06StskeepsRST38h: if it is not minisd, i'm happy.
16:43.29RST38hStand? There was not last time =)
16:43.35wazdStskeeps: It has fracking 32Gb built in
16:43.41RST38hwazd: Ehehehe
16:43.44wazdRST38h: it has n95 like stand
16:43.47RST38hAh ok
16:43.52Stskeepswazd: i still need to do sd card switches once in a while
16:43.58wazdRST38h: where the camera is
16:43.59RST38hSts: If they do this crap to "B" again...
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16:44.10RST38hWazd: !
16:44.15StskeepsRST38h: go check the xkb-data
16:44.18Stskeepshttp://i30.tinypic.com/351wbnm.jpg
16:44.29Stskeeps^ shows stand quite clearly
16:44.45VDVsxyup like n86
16:45.05tank-manomg what is that
16:45.08VDVsxno dpad :( :( :( bad for gamers :P
16:45.09RST38hSts: what is it??? is it a new batch of photos???
16:45.13wazdThat bevel around the camera makes it look what I call with a good russian word "Motyga" :D
16:45.24wazdRST38h: check t.m.o :)
16:45.25StskeepsRST38h: err.. what rock are you hiding under?
16:45.37RST38hoh holy shit
16:45.42RST38hI have been working folks!
16:45.55wazdRST38h: "It's D&G, halo!" :D
16:46.00VDVsxStskeeps, the keyboard looks like the one in the cph proto ?
16:46.59RST38hwill light a candle in a church of Quim's choice for inclusion of the arrow keys
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16:48.25RST38hAlso not that the hideous silvery finish is almost gone. No more chipping.
16:48.33RST38hs/not/note
16:48.48wazdRST38h: I've made a redraw accordinf to these photos
16:49.27RST38hwazd: You have to excuse sachin007 for quoting the whole thing, he was one of the most nervous t.m.o posters =)
16:50.01wazdRST38h: If I was on the Edge connection - he would be dead already :D
16:50.24RST38hwazd: You would still be waiting for those images to arrive though
16:50.26wazdhave to go to the bike ride, bbl
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16:56.46VDVsxmore pics..ahahahahahh
16:56.55javispedromore?
16:57.16VDVsxvideo out :P
16:57.21VDVsxhttp://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=2170963
16:57.35javispedroah, that's cool
16:57.50javispedrooh, kaskus, the original source of the leak
16:57.57javispedrodidn't found my way in that site previously
16:58.21t_s_ohmm, i wonder if the io ports are above the stylus on the left side, as there seems to be something there thats yet to be identified, and it would be fitting to have a rubber cover about there
16:58.37javispedroInternal Memory 128 megabytes DDR manufactured by Samsung
16:58.37t_s_oerr, right side...
16:58.40javispedroW. T. F.?
16:58.47woglindethread is closed
16:58.54woglindethat was quick
17:00.18VDVsxboom....gone:(
17:00.37javispedroslashdotted?
17:00.42woglindenope
17:00.47woglindeclosed
17:00.53woglindeto not enforce the laywers
17:01.06javispedroI am reading the thread right now, just loaded page 3
17:01.21woglindeseems you are lucky
17:01.37Luke-Jrfail
17:01.49Stskeepswhat, a thread closed on talk.*?
17:02.03Luke-JrStskeeps: that link isn't talk.*
17:02.29t_s_osaved the photos from page one of that thread
17:02.39javispedrowhere's the video?=
17:02.50Luke-Jrso conclusion is RX-51 sucks
17:02.53javispedroi've still access to the whole thread
17:03.11VDVsxme too, again :)
17:03.15qwerty12_N810same
17:03.30javispedrosee? it was just slashdotted
17:03.31VDVsxbtw, what language is that ?
17:03.37qwerty12_N810Indonesian
17:03.48VDVsxlol
17:05.07StskeepsLuke-Jr: no, it's actually delicious
17:05.09Stskeeps(IMHO)
17:05.17Luke-Jr…
17:05.30javispedroso la la
17:06.06qwerty12_N810likes it (with Harmattan) but I can't get over that space bar. Ah well, I can't draw conclusions w/out actually typing on it
17:07.05t_s_omeh, it should be no worse then the onscreen keyboard ;)
17:07.32javispedrosomebody said video but I'm yet to find it
17:07.39lcukStskeeps, these certainly look prettier than the ugly prototypes we saw in cph
17:07.45javispedrovideo out
17:08.09VDVsxand more: http://www.kaskus.us/showthread.php?t=2162131
17:08.23javispedroa
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17:08.30javispedrothe picture with the composite cable
17:08.56VDVsxmemory :32 GB :)
17:09.07qwerty12_N810Oh shit, they were selling it
17:09.57lcukVDVsx, o_O that much
17:10.14javispedrowhere?
17:10.20VDVsxidonesia ?
17:10.29VDVsx*indonesia :P
17:10.33javispedroi mean, where you read that many info¿?
17:10.46lcukthats a seriously wicked quantity, i'd never find enough stuff to fill it (for varying amounts of never)
17:11.18javispedrocause all I saw was some random copy&paste from previous specs (including 128 MiB DDR only)
17:13.38VDVsxjavispedro, last post pasted
17:13.43Stskeepslcuk: damn straight
17:14.15lcukStskeeps, i have a 1gb card
17:15.25VDVsxshit can't translate Malay to english :P
17:16.01lcukVDVsx, "oh fuck dude, you are so gonna get sued"
17:16.17VDVsxehehhe
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17:17.09VDVsxlcuk, actually I think, they are selling the device, like qwerty12_N810 referred
17:17.18Stskeepsyeah
17:17.21Stskeepsit was told in talk.* too
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17:17.54javispedrotalk.* still sounds like a newsgroup to me ;)
17:18.07Stskeepsit certainly has it's shares of trolling and such
17:18.09qwerty12_N810but by me before ;)
17:19.07lcukpeople can sell stuff that doesnt belong to them
17:19.15lcukthat doesnt mean they are allowed to sell it
17:19.32VDVsxbest translation: DIRECT then DEH: NI ADA ITEM BARU KELUARAN Nokia newest that BELUM DI LAUNCH DI INDONESIA Nokia RX 51 (BM BNIB, NGA IN LOCK SO could TUK SMUA OPRATOR) There was those who are INTERESTED??? ANE had one UNIT, please was bought
17:19.33VDVsxlol
17:19.50javispedroalso, you can get sued even for selling stuff that belongs to you ;)
17:19.55StskeepsBELUM DI LAUNCH!
17:19.55qwerty12_N810I wonder what updating that device is going to go like...
17:20.09qwerty12_N810This is Indonesia; who's gonna give a shit? :P
17:20.19Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: SSU that upon locating the MAC address, turns on GPS, transmit..
17:20.20VDVsxqwerty12_N810, nop
17:20.25VDVsxqwerty12_N810, malay
17:20.34qwerty12_N810lots of phone warez forums are located in that part of asi
17:20.35qwerty12_N810a
17:20.37javispedroMAC? we already have the IMEI
17:20.41Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: as well as IMEI ban
17:20.42qwerty12_N810VDVsx: even better
17:20.49javispedrojust track it as soon as it gets on the network then send black helicopters
17:21.03VDVsxqwerty12_N810, the language, your are right in the country, I guess :P
17:21.03Stskeepstracking on gsm isn't always trivial, gps coordinates are more handy :P
17:21.10lcuknijas, please send the ninjas
17:21.14lcukninjas even
17:21.15RST38hGADGET PORN ATTACK
17:21.21javispedroblack helicopters with ninjas
17:21.21lcukhelicopters are so 90's
17:21.29lcuko_O that would work
17:21.38lcukbut you would have to hear the helicopters
17:21.52qwerty12_N810ROFLMAO though: selling a device while displaying the IMEI publically
17:21.55qwerty12_N810tossers
17:22.09javispedroor just bomb the whole country from space. Some Nokians have shown the ability to do that.
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17:22.58VDVsxI predict, that someone will be fired at nokia :P
17:23.28Mekor one of its subcontractors... :)
17:23.31javispedrocan't wait to buy that device then wait for the ICBM
17:23.38qwerty12_N810It's like those eBay auctions where someone is selling a genuine XP key, while displaying a picture of the packaging (and inadvertly the serial)
17:23.48VDVsxlol
17:23.57VDVsxoh my
17:24.17RST38hWill we see a suicide?
17:24.26VDVsxlolol: * Linux Operating System based on Maema 5
17:24.28lcuki hope not :(
17:24.35lcukthat was bad shit
17:24.36RST38hqwerty: Have I told you the story about Microsoft anti-piracy ads in local subway?
17:24.37VDVsxmaema;)
17:24.48RST38hVDVsx: It's a girrrl!
17:24.50javispedroMaemia 5
17:24.51StskeepsVDVsx: maema freemantle!
17:24.57qwerty12_N810RST38h: No, but'd I'd be interested in hearing :)
17:24.59javispedroMaema Fremantel
17:25.02qwerty12_N810-'d
17:25.08Stskeepsalso, friggen 32gb, that's insane
17:25.09Stskeeps:P
17:25.25lcukthats hot!
17:25.36javispedrowith that the hidden sd slot makes sense
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17:26.13lcukthey could almost have no sd slot with that much lol
17:26.23RST38hqwerty: Microsoft ran ads in subway, that showed metrosexual-looking guy with a WIndows box, saying "I did not know before. But now I KNOW"
17:26.31javispedrolcuk, repeat that again next year ;)
17:26.35RST38hqwerty: (about geniuine non-pirated Windows, apparently)
17:26.36javispedrowhen SDXC cards are common
17:26.48lcukjavispedro, you mean you dont have a soldering iron?
17:27.00lcukand when they are common, wont we need a device that supports them
17:27.03RST38hqwerty: Somebody wrote a valid Windows serial number across many of these =)
17:27.09lcukwhich will have 2Tb in the box
17:27.11qwerty12_N810RST38h: rofl, and that was meant to be taken seriously?
17:27.12javispedrolcuk, if I had a hot air station, I would've fixed my Palm T|X and probably wouldn't be here today ;)
17:27.19RST38hqwerty: Apparently.
17:27.25qwerty12_N810lol, Russians are jokers
17:27.27RST38hqwerty: MS does a lot of weird things
17:28.00RST38hqwerty: Their marketing department faces a tough tasks of selling unmarketable, so only the really disconnected people stay there
17:28.00qwerty12_N810I wonder if englishrussia'll have it :)
17:28.01glassms has plenty of money for advertising. and plenty of advertisers pitch stupid shit to them i'd reckon
17:28.51VDVsxwonders for how much the sold the proto
17:29.05StskeepsVDVsx: none, probably
17:29.27lcukis it on ebay or private sale lol
17:29.31qwerty12_N810That ysss guy said it was sold for $800
17:29.46VDVsxStskeeps, says SOLD OUT there
17:30.07qwerty12_N810wonders how close that is to the official price =)
17:30.08StskeepsVDVsx: the device not pictures
17:30.21VDVsxStskeeps, yup, lol
17:30.27Stskeepspictures were probably carelessly put up
17:30.45RST38hlikes what he sees so far
17:30.46javispedroofficial price will be $900, and then I'll suicide
17:31.02RST38hjavis: How about your left kidney instead? =)
17:31.31qwerty12_N810Kidney. OM NOM NOM
17:31.34Stskeepswtf @ 195 guests
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17:34.19lcukStskeeps, best close some of your browser windows
17:34.50Stskeepslcuk: i'm always logged in at talk :P
17:35.05lcukheh
17:35.30VDVsxengadget already pick it
17:35.48Stskeepsyeah
17:36.13Stskeepswtf is the / button? caps? :P
17:36.18Stskeepsthe arrow
17:36.38VDVsxblue one ?
17:37.07Stskeepsyeah
17:37.21javispedrooh, well. at least they added in more margin-top to the keyboard.
17:37.31VDVsxlike fn in the laptops :)
17:37.40Stskeepsah
17:37.55Stskeepsjavispedro: i really hate the low margin on my n810
17:38.37javispedroChr/Sym is now two keypress apart instead of only one.
17:39.45RST38hkeyboard looks decent
17:40.01RST38hI cant believe I am saying this but it looks decent
17:40.02aolwhy are they referring them as tablets
17:40.09aolit's clearly a phonme ?
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17:40.19RST38hI do not think they know that for sure
17:40.20lcukhttp://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=16097
17:40.21RST38hNot yet
17:40.30RST38hIt is a test model, as a phone
17:41.12javispedroat least, it's not a disaster-phone
17:41.14StskeepsRST38h: as i've said since the developer units, i want one :P
17:41.21lcuk(that has nothing to do with convo, just a break from tech fapping)
17:42.31RST38h+ it is the most iPhoneish Nokia so far
17:43.45lcukapart from the fact its got a keyboard and loads of things you can change and remove and add
17:47.49RST38hyep
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18:06.53Jaffalcuk: pong
18:08.25lcukhiya jaffa \o
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18:14.42RST38hNo ESCAPE key
18:14.43RST38hhmm
18:15.02StskeepsRST38h: we can't see the screen so that's a bit unfair to assume :)
18:15.37Stskeepsalso, you don't need esc with the click-outside-dialog
18:15.44GeneralAntilles3-row ouch
18:15.48qwerty12_N810Well, yerga was right: Nokia did leak a (tiny) image in the SDK :P
18:15.54GeneralAntillesAt least the fingerkeyboard is still there.
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18:16.49GeneralAntillesDefinitely a phone.
18:17.54GeneralAntillesLots of pads in the battery compartment.
18:17.59GeneralAntillesNot a great place for hacking, though.
18:18.06Stskeepswith a docking station, probably
18:18.53GeneralAntillesRight
18:19.01GeneralAntillesThat's great for Nokia repair centers and testing facilities
18:19.07GeneralAntillesNot so great for mobile hackers. ;)
18:19.09Stskeeps(those are kinda cool to see irl :P)
18:19.22GeneralAntillesThe N800 and N810 have their pads exposed next to the battery
18:20.17GeneralAntillesI can't believe they killed the kickstand
18:20.24GeneralAntillesWhat is it with Nokia's hardware devision?
18:20.31Stskeepsno, it's not killed
18:20.35Stskeepslook at the camera
18:20.39GeneralAntilles"We have this super awesome idea—GET RID OF IT!!!"
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18:20.48GeneralAntillesStskeeps, useless.
18:20.51GeneralAntillesLess than useless.
18:20.55GeneralAntillesWorse than the 770 stand.
18:20.59Stskeepsput a larger stand on it
18:20.59Stskeeps:P
18:22.02GeneralAntillesI want something I can lay on my side in bed with.
18:22.42RST38hGeneral, you can just place it against the wall or a pillow
18:23.03RST38hKickstand is a minor feature
18:23.21RST38hThere will probably be bigger disappointments down the line
18:23.23qwerty12_N810It is useful when watching movies IMO
18:23.24GeneralAntillesRST38h, no, it's not.
18:23.36Stskeepsah, quim is awake on the rx-51 thread :)
18:23.37GeneralAntillesAnd, no, walls and pillows don't work.
18:23.43RST38hSts: Ahahahah finally
18:24.00RST38hthought Quim would be real quiet =)
18:24.22StskeepsRST38h: he is, but watching :)
18:24.27qwerty12_N810Well, whatever he says at this point in the game can't beat those pics :)
18:24.33RST38hGeneral: Looks like they are using the same RAM+ROM Samsung chip
18:24.44RST38hGeneral: This feels like a bigger disappointment to me
18:24.45Stskeepsthe ram chip is from some weirdass blog
18:24.52RST38hoh ok
18:25.07RST38hlowering credibility on this one
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18:26.09qwerty12_N810RST38h: Their last tablets were cobbled up from whatever they had in the "bin", I think they wish to impress more this time :)
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18:27.34GeneralAntillesIt's a testament to how good Nokia is at killing community spirit that I'm really not at all excited by these pictures. . . .
18:27.52Stskeepspasses GeneralAntilles some happy pills.
18:28.27qwerty12_N810Amsterdam has something for everyone...
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18:28.52RST38hGeneral: You should really read that last massacre guy diary
18:29.05RST38hIt will inevitably put you into better mood =)
18:29.35konttori__oh. cool http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/
18:29.49JaffaGeneralAntilles: well, that and it'd all been leaked. Only question outstanding is price & release date
18:30.22GeneralAntilleskonttori__, I don't think these release you from any signed papers. :D
18:30.59RST38hGeneral: There are arrow keys, the thing is no longer painted, it looks as close to goddamn iPhone as any Nokia product ever got, it is a phone, the screen is now protected from scratching, WHAT is there to be unhappy about?
18:32.00GeneralAntillesRST38h, I didn't say I was unhappy, I just said that this completely fails to excite me.
18:32.13JaffaBezelless screen
18:32.16RST38hForget Nokia's relations with the community, forget the OS disaster, the support disaster
18:32.22GeneralAntillesWhich is sad, because there was a time when I'd've been giddy over every tidbit about the N900 I could find.
18:32.41RST38hIt looks like a nice product, as a user I would buy this with Maemo or Symbian, no matter what
18:33.02JaffaAnd Maemo beats Symbian
18:33.16qwerty12_N810Jaffa+1
18:33.39RST38hOk, it looks like some HTC product maybe
18:33.55RST38hBut HTCs are booby trapped with WinCE
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18:35.51GeneralAntillesPictures just make Talk 5 times sillier.
18:36.20RST38hWith every lurker crawling from under the woodwork with his opinion, no wonder
18:40.06RST38hOk, Mara is all but saying that 128MB is bullshit
18:40.55GeneralAntillesI agree.
18:40.56Stskeepsthere's no way in hell fennec could be that fast on 128mb, tbh.
18:40.59Jaffatmo's better than Engadget
18:41.10JaffaNot saying much, admittedly
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18:41.23GeneralAntillesHehe
18:41.27GeneralAntillesNot much at all.
18:41.38GeneralAntillesThat's only marginally better than saying Talk's better than Digg. ;)
18:43.01GeneralAntillesIt's interesting to see them stamp it with Cortex A8
18:43.18GeneralAntillesTraditionally it's been damn near impossible to confirm what Nokia packs in their devices.
18:43.42Stskeepsprobably Cortex A8 is known cos of iphonies
18:43.49GeneralAntillesTrue
18:43.52GeneralAntillesand Pre, to an extent.
18:44.17Stskeeps"this isn't a N97" would have worked too
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18:44.50GeneralAntillesInteresting that we still have no idea what they're actually going to call it.
18:45.23GeneralAntillesspots the front-facing camera.
18:47.51RST38hIs there an LED?
18:48.08konttori__lol. one of the photos contains a fraction of a thumbprint. Now, someone can use CSI magic to hunt for who took the photos. Of whatever device that is.
18:48.21qwerty12_N810The icon in the SDK suggests that there is one in the left corner
18:48.25konttori__eh, in slashgear
18:48.37javispedrokonttori__, of course, ignoring the imei is totally visible
18:48.46javispedrothat'll make an average csi plot :D
18:48.50konttori__damn!
18:49.21GeneralAntilleskonttori__, when are the Nokia prototype ninjas going to strike? ;)
18:49.37konttori__when you least expect
18:49.37javispedrowhat has people got with capacitive screens
18:49.41javispedrothey suck
18:49.59GeneralAntillesjavispedro, iPhone hype.
18:50.03RST38hjavis: depends on what you need
18:50.04konttori__resistive and capacitive have both their good and bad.
18:50.09GeneralAntillesIt's the same reason people salivate over Tegras.
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18:50.24RST38hjavis: for the Maemo UI, capacitive screen would be a disaster
18:50.26GeneralAntillesI can't stand capacitive for any sort of reasonably detailed work over any reasonable period of time.
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18:50.29RST38hjavis: not enough precision
18:50.35GeneralAntillesBut for quite or distracted activities it's nice.
18:50.37konttori__it has reliable hit metric - any developer would love that compared to filtered resistive hits.
18:50.45Stskeepskonttori__: SSU targetting certain IMEI and serial / MAC, which turns on GPS and sends coordinates daily should do the trick. (fingerprints)
18:51.12GeneralAntillesdownloads all the pictures in preparation for the Nokia ninjas.
18:51.29konttori__lol! Now, that sounds like a viable CSI plot
18:51.42GeneralAntilleskonttori__, nah, too technically believable. ;)
18:51.51RST38hJust make them all self destruct on a certain IP packet
18:52.08javispedrosees gerbick already telling engadgetians how nokia abandons support for a device few years after release
18:52.13GeneralAntillesAnybody notice how much this thing looks like the mockups from the Summit?
18:52.18RST38h3 months and 20-30 two-handed indonesians later...
18:52.20GeneralAntillesGerbick is a funny guy.
18:52.36Jaffas/funny/yet-another-tmo-troll/ ?
18:52.44GeneralAntillesi.e., a hypocrite and an idiot. ;)
18:52.48RST38hWell, he CAN'T get wrong telling that, can he?
18:53.28javispedroso instead of NIT I have to call this piece of plastic Maemo SmartPhone?
18:53.37GeneralAntillesgoes back to work.
18:53.48GeneralAntillesIt's a Maemo Devices Maemo device.
18:53.54GeneralAntillesMDMD
18:54.01RST38hjavis: Maemophone seems to be a well established meme by now
18:54.04javispedrorandom engadgetian: "I agree. They keep calling this a tablet. Looks like just another boring phone to me. "
18:54.08Jaffajavispedro: NIT could be "Nokia Internet Telephony" ;-£)
18:54.14tomaterrdoes any1 know the name of that app that lets you download websites for the n810
18:54.19GeneralAntillesCan't please them all. ;)
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18:54.25Jaffajavispedro: Yeah, who's this "they"?
18:54.40javispedroengadget itself
18:55.03RST38hFolks, stop going all mad about t.m.o posters, ok?
18:55.08JaffaIf Nokia don't fsck it up, an open proven Linux-based phone platform with no oddities to get root or weird supplier locks on app "approval"s
18:55.15RST38hOpinions are like assholes, we all have them
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18:55.21RST38hWhy worry so much?
18:55.28Jaffajavispedro: Indeed. I saw the comment.
18:56.04javispedroI assume Nokia believes that since it now looks like a boring phone it will sell like  .. pancakes.
18:56.08JaffaRST38h: Who's worried? Moaning here gives us a break from supporting the "community" when a vocal minority likes stabbbing you in the back
18:56.24javispedroand probably'll drop the tablet moniker
18:56.37Jaffajavispedro: You mean hotcakes? ;-)
18:56.46Stskeepspancakes sell.
18:56.52javispedroit's summer now, too hot already.
18:56.53javispedro;)
18:56.56RST38hJaffa: Don't moan, strike back =)
18:57.03RST38hJaffa: Troll them all to insanity
18:57.13RST38hJaffa: Post some news about this device running Android
18:58.08javispedroquick, fire up photoshop for the android mockup.
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18:59.17JaffaMmmm, pancakes
18:59.28javispedroor fake qgil and post: "after harmattan, we will be switching toolkits again. this time we're going to use Motif due to its low memory footprint."
18:59.41RST38hjavis: not credible
19:00.03RST38hjavis: I would say though, something about harmattan itself should do the job
19:01.01Jaffa`qgi1' username is probably free ;-)
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19:02.37JaffaI'm trying to work out what that "flip" sticker on the back of one of the photos is trying to show.
19:02.52JaffaAh. Battery & SIM location?
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19:03.08javispedroJaffa, on the cloud, like the iPhone.
19:03.09RST38hit tells user how to insert sim
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19:04.24JaffaGeneralAntilles: Seen the pics of the N86 stand? Looks like that might be on RX-51
19:07.02Jaffatmo posters claiming that this isn't in the same market as Apple
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19:08.15javispedroI wouldn't want it to be in the same market as Apple.
19:08.23javispedrocause that means progressive dumb down.
19:08.36xnt14[work]OMFG!!!  OMFG!!!  OMFG!!!  RX-51!!!!!! OMFG!!!   /me faints
19:08.42RST38hhehe
19:08.46xnt14[work]:P
19:08.51xnt14[work]its looks awesome
19:08.52javispedrohow many tmo threads were opened already?
19:08.54RST38hJaffa: You can't be in the same market as Apple
19:08.57qwerty12_N810Actually, I've convinced myself: Whatever operators may do to the device, cannot be as bad as what Apple do to the iPhone by default
19:09.01xnt14[work]except for the spacebar :P
19:09.06RST38hJaffa: If you are in the same market as Apple, you lose to Apple
19:09.07xnt14[work]but ill get used to it
19:09.35RST38hJaffa: Pushing aside high end HTCs would still be a nice goal though
19:09.54javispedroRST38h, or use your borg-like superpowers to add Apple's biological and technological distinctiveness to your own. Like Microsoft.
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19:10.15wazdI'm back!
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19:10.31wazd_/flame_war mode on
19:10.39Stskeepswb wazd
19:10.49xnt14[work]hopes the mer + n900 + opengl + wazd's awesome theme = me screaming in excitement xD
19:10.51RST38hjavis: You still lose to Apple
19:10.53lcukwazd, has your "package" arrived from the far east yet? lol
19:11.11RST38hjavis: The problem with Apple is that you are not fighting technology, you are fighting the image
19:11.52javispedroRST38h, so you just sell those guys Office and watch the cash flow.
19:12.05RST38hjavis: So, whatever straight thinking Finnish engineers can possible throw at Apple, it won't stand Jobsian reality distortion field
19:12.18javispedroI agree completely :)
19:12.41RST38hjavis: But if you target business market, for example...
19:12.56RST38hjavis: Or the cheap media phone market...
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19:13.05JaffaRST38h: Yeah, but people used to say that about IBM. Then about Microsoft. Now about Google and/or Apple.
19:13.09RST38hjavis: Or the communicators...
19:13.18Stskeepsright, yeah, vim users aren't going to like this tablet..
19:13.18Stskeeps:P
19:13.20JaffaNot that I think the Maemo 5 lead device is going to make Nokia all successful.
19:13.26JaffaBut *some* market share would be nice ;-)
19:13.30RST38hJaffa: Oh, Apple is far, FAR from the point where IBM became competitable
19:13.52javispedromore trolls for tmo is ALWAYS a good thing :)
19:13.52StskeepsJaffa: if they were sane they grouped up with application vendors.. i think it's interesting to see Skype in the fold again
19:13.52Jaffa"competitable"?
19:13.59RST38hJaffa: To me, this n9x0 thing looks more like 7650 or N95, a test model
19:14.07JaffaStskeeps: Skype in the fold again?
19:14.14StskeepsJaffa: look at summit schedule..
19:14.22RST38hJaffa: as in "reached point where you could compete with it"
19:14.26qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: it's a phone now :(
19:14.36Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: and? VoIP is still needed
19:15.00esaym153anyone know an easy what to get the perl zlib module onto the n810?
19:15.10Jaffajavispedro: More people to vote other trolls in to the council ;-)
19:15.11qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: heard about the operators getting hard-ons wrt skype on n-series?
19:15.17Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: yes, of course
19:15.23JaffaStskeeps: I thought I saw them in there. But I couldn't be sure.
19:15.33qwerty12_N810Stskeeps: well..
19:15.37javispedroMaemo Troll Council. First action: switch to Symbian.
19:15.48qwerty12_N810Android
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19:16.54RST38hWinCE
19:16.55JaffaAnd then get surprised that they represent the community, and don't control Nokia's Maemo Devices teams
19:20.13wazdok, there is no opaque layer on the screen?
19:20.31wazdis the screen polarized OLED or something?
19:20.33RST38h?
19:20.47RST38hit looks like the same covering as 5800
19:20.48wazdRST38h: you can't see screen edges on any shot
19:20.57RST38hhmmm
19:21.27wazdRST38h: you can see it on 5800
19:21.42RST38hwazd: wait, there is an edge
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19:21.46RST38hjust like in 5800
19:21.47wazdRST38h: http://i26.tinypic.com/1zvfl2g.jpg <- where is it? :)
19:22.00Luke-Jrslonopotamus: Plasma uses more memory in 4.3 if anything
19:22.04RST38hwazd: here: http://i26.tinypic.com/11lnerr.jpg
19:22.38wazdRST38h: can't see anything :)
19:22.52RST38hthere is an edge
19:23.12lcukdoes anyone know how i search entire filesystem for large files and list them by size
19:23.54sampppahttp://www.unixtutorial.org/2008/03/find-large-files-and-directories/
19:23.56wazdlcuk: you don't need any arrange system, remember? :)
19:23.57sampppalcuk:
19:24.08lcukthats the tool sampppa !
19:24.21lcukthe one you hinted at earlier
19:24.31sampppayes :)
19:24.34lcukthe command line came back with 2 things earlier :$ but i had other things i needed to do
19:24.39sampppagotta go to sauna ->
19:24.40sampppabbl
19:24.51lcukthanks \o
19:24.55sampppanp. :)
19:25.00wazdsampppa: hate you in advance :)
19:25.13sampppawhy? :)
19:25.24wazdsampppa: for sauna :P
19:25.36sampppahehe
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19:28.18wazdno buttons at all in the front is a serious chalenge to Apple :D
19:28.34tomaterroh gawd
19:28.46qwerty12_N810Making it unable to do shit would be an even bigger one :)
19:29.07tomaterrthats an apple requirement
19:29.08wazdqwerty12_N810: Apple will place the screen on the side next :D
19:29.21qwerty12_N810:D
19:29.38lcukin other news, microsoft made a touch sensitive keyboard...  and its actually an interesting concept
19:31.13lcukhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/08/07/1743212/Microsoft-Hardware-Demos-Pressure-Sensitive-Keyboard?art_pos=18
19:31.21wazdanother hilarious quote from engadget
19:31.34wazdiono man, how can anyone possibly compete with these super innovative features.
19:31.34wazdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvJk1DVkIYI
19:31.58Jaffacan't believe they are *just* touting C&P in iPhone ads.
19:33.09RST38hInnovation!
19:33.25lcukits only to shutup the 100000000000 people who think its amusing to call into an apple store and ask
19:33.26RST38hOn the other hand, Nokia with its "multimedia computer" claim...
19:34.24wazdRST38h: well, it's more realistic than incredibility of CP :)
19:34.45RST38hheh
19:34.55JaffaRST38h: And Nokia never paid for a TV ad in prime time to hype it
19:35.01javispedrothat's the ad. no cut at all.
19:35.05RST38hBTW, have you noticed that the temporary screen protector can now be kept on?
19:35.17javispedroi see it's as funny in english as in spanish.
19:35.22RST38hthe silvery tab is removable
19:35.27wazdJaffa: 5800 ads says another thing :)
19:35.31JaffaMaybe they will with Rover. Or maybe this is the niche stepping stone to the highend Harmattan device.
19:35.43Jaffawazd: I've not seen one. Lots of N97 ads around
19:35.53javispedro"you get the idea". Yes. I do.
19:36.10RST38hwazd: N97 ads make me want to kill everyone shown in the ad
19:36.19RST38hwazd: bloggers...
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19:37.30wazdRST38h: I've seen only MTS one
19:37.43wazdJaffa: we had a real flood of it here
19:38.15RST38hwazd: the one about a concert?
19:38.36wazdRST38h: no, bout a first person shooter :)
19:38.55RST38hah, that one was tolerable
19:40.04RST38hThis one was good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_4hf2HP2s
19:40.17wazdRST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KyjFRGkz2Y that one
19:40.55Jaffais in a dilemma. I've got a nice small 3G phone. I've got a contract.
19:41.07JaffaI want a Rover with a data contract.
19:41.10JaffaBah
19:41.29RST38hmove the sim card
19:41.50wazdRST38h: MIDI music must die in pain
19:42.03qwerty12_N810Would you be eligible for an upgrade by the time it comes out?
19:42.13RST38hwazd: Oh there is a use for it
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19:42.47RST38hwazd: Take an orchestra, attach eletrodes to each performer, then connect to a MIDI sequencer
19:43.16lcukfsck electrodes - just make em work with wiimo^M N900's
19:43.25RST38hhmm
19:44.02Jaffaqwerty12_N810: No. And I'm on Vodafone
19:44.09JaffaRST38h: Vodafone don't do good data contracts.
19:44.10lcuksimulate string instruments using touch, have motion tracked with accel and even use the mic to blow
19:44.13qwerty12_N810Vodafone.
19:44.17qwerty12_N810:(
19:44.41wazdRST38h: now THAT is an AD: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN09P_-C0MI
19:45.00JaffaMight have to get a Three PAYG SIM for their 5ukp top up for a gig or so of data a month. Then have a separate phone and tablet until contract runs out, then port number to whatever's best
19:45.09RST38hJaffa: How expensive is data outside the contract>
19:46.38JaffaRST38h: Pricey enough. But I'll check and/or ring them up
19:47.37Jaffaassumes that if there is a device programme, they won't be SIMlocked. He also assumes that TMob-provided ones will still be rootable.
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19:47.38RST38h5ukp for 1GB of data sounds good
19:48.12JaffaYeah. Enough to not worry about it for general email/light web use.
19:48.20JaffaAnd, of course, Modest discourages the former ;-)
19:48.26RST38hyou won't hit 1GB with the tablet
19:48.39RST38hthe only way to hit 1gb is to download video, really
19:48.50lcukno
19:48.52lcukemail
19:48.56lcukweb
19:49.04lcukpackages
19:49.07RST38hI honestly tried
19:49.29lcukplus, we have big highres camera now
19:49.33qwerty12_N810hopes that browserd is not still in use. Apart from being useless, it also breaks extensions
19:49.35RST38hFor a month, 8 hours a day working on a PC, still less than 1GB
19:49.38lcukit will be easy to want to push to friends
19:50.08RST38hYes, once you are sending 5mpx images out, you may do it
19:50.23lcukand those friends will be sending them back to you
19:50.29lcukcos they have nokias too
19:50.41lcuk:)
19:50.45JaffaRST38h: But then there are things like this: http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/news/local_press_releases/uk_press_releases/2007/unlimited_internet.html
19:50.56JaffaISTR being excited at the time, but the small print was... less so.
19:51.13JaffaAnd there's a 500MB limit on that Vodafone thing
19:51.21lcuki wonder if theres video included
19:51.59lcukif it uses the same gstreamer infrstructure it should be possible right?
19:52.53Jaffalcuk: I bet you can record high-res video at a decent framerate
19:53.29lcukheh jaffa? 5megapixel :D
19:53.59lcukim just stoked the camera is in the right place
19:54.18lcukwithout compromise, no faffy rotating thing, a proper cam :)
19:55.44JaffaVodafone are a bunch of brain-eating fucktards. Press release above touts "mobile internet for all" - but then this page describes what I remember getting through the post: http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template10&pageID=MI_0004 - 5ukp for non-P2P/non-VoIP 500MB limit
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19:57.39lcukjaffa, compromise is better than nothing
19:57.58lcukand i wonder how it knows p2p
19:58.14lcukthanks Stskeeps
19:59.11lcuk20090204 11:02.50Stskeepsexport PAGER=more maybe       < for this
19:59.19woglindehms why is cgit.freedesktop.org so slow
20:01.43lcukcos you just asked that same question on 900 irc channels?
20:02.21|thunderwhatd ya do ? use /amsg ?
20:02.21woglindenope
20:02.25woglindeonly here
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20:02.58lcukdunno sometimes random slowdowns occur everywhere
20:04.03glassJaffa: 500mb limit in terms that "anyone" can understand, i suppose
20:04.08glass"non p2p"
20:04.49glassJaffa: it's bullshit of course
20:05.20glassJaffa: mobile internet becomes a lot more useful if you don't have such limits that effectively make it a suicide to do anything bandwith intensive
20:05.54RST38hglass: 1GB limit is totally reasonable
20:05.54glass"you can download 200kbyte/s!" ".. for couple of minutes"
20:05.54glassRST38h: no it isn't
20:05.57RST38hglass: As I said, hitting it is complicated
20:06.02glassRST38h: i've had unlimited for years
20:06.03RST38h500MB is way less so
20:06.09konttori__needless to say that unlimited 3g costs 9 euros per month in finland.
20:06.15glasskonttori__: exactly
20:06.25RST38hglass: I had unlimited in US, then limited to 110MB in Russia, our caps now are 30GB
20:06.31RST38hglass: Never hitting this limit
20:06.45konttori__yeah, well, 30 gb sounds reasonable
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20:06.48RST38hglass: Up to 700MB things were problematic, but not after that
20:06.52glassRST38h: you would if you wanted to download 40 gigs
20:07.02RST38hkonttori: I can actually get unlim, but they want a VPN connection
20:07.13RST38hkonttori: It will be cheaper (!) too
20:07.26glasswhy don't you get it?
20:07.29RST38hglass: There is nothing of this size I want to download
20:07.31glassvpn gives you private ip?
20:07.49RST38hglass: private connection, they do not want people to jack into the switch and impersonate me
20:08.14RST38hglass: But I have multiple machines at home, so I would have to buy a router with VPN client (NOT passthrough)
20:08.19glassyeah but you could setup the vpn to most home-grade"switches" anyways nowadays
20:08.26RST38hglass: Not most, some
20:08.35glassRST38h: well units that cost 20-30bucks
20:08.48RST38hglass: actually not, those only offer pass throughs
20:08.58glassRST38h: depends on the router i suppose
20:09.08RST38hglass: But yes, I could buy a $150+ DLink router that has VPN client on its own
20:09.18glasswhy so expensive
20:09.27RST38hglass: But I read some reviews of that and it does not look solid :(
20:09.33glasslots of cheapers have hackable/community
20:09.36RST38hglass: It is considered a small business grade router
20:09.48glassRST38h: small business grade is a marketing term that means 100$ extra
20:09.54RST38hglass: yes
20:09.55glassit's all same shit still
20:10.05RST38hglass: and faster cpu too because vpn needs that
20:10.16Andy80Jaffa: don't know anything about discount program (well... I really hope they'll repeat it :P ) but, for example, in Italy no one sell locked phones anymore.... they lock you with a contract :) but you  can use any sim...
20:10.18glassand i'm not trusting dlink after they failed to make a 100mbit switch that would've stayed functional for couple of years
20:10.38RST38hglass: Dunno, DLInk still has to disappoint me
20:10.43glassRST38h: yeah but cpu speed isn't what affects if the device is 50 or 100 bucks
20:10.53glassRST38h: the cards i got with that switch worked great though
20:11.01glassRST38h: but the switch died one day, blinked lights and all
20:11.02RST38hglass: No, not really. It is all in the name really
20:11.24lcukRST38h, how much bandwidth does something like vnc take
20:11.27glassthe same china factories make all anyways :D
20:11.29lcuki realise ssh sessions are simple
20:11.31JaffaAndy80: Indeed. You can buy unlocked phones in the UK too; but most people get them subsidised through a contract or shared cost as a PAYG deal
20:11.32RST38hAnyways, I am still not ready to replace my DI-624 with a new router
20:11.38lcukwhat about x11 remoting ot whatever its called
20:11.54RST38hlcuk: I do not think it takes a lot extra
20:12.08RST38hlcuk: in 10-15% range I guess
20:12.17lcukcool
20:12.20glassRST38h: i got a while ago this one router i slapped tomato fw into and it has served me sweeet.. it can do wifi client too for erm.. emergency access
20:12.31lcukjust with you saying about your many machines connectivity
20:12.36Andy80Jaffa: in Italy, for example, people is so crazy/stupid to pay even 600€ for an iPhone, with no contract at all :)
20:13.03glassAndy80: 600 for iphone without contract wouldn't be bad compared to most iphone contracts it was sold with
20:13.18qwerty12_N810Andy80: Apple's perfect userbase :)
20:13.18konttori__indeed. same price here.
20:13.29Andy80I'm talking about 3Gs eh.... 3G costs about 499€
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20:13.41RST38hglass: There is one catch to our caps though
20:14.04glassRST38h: porno filters?
20:14.09RST38hglass: Actually, two: 1) you can exceed the cap but then you are paying by MB and 2) all local traffic is free
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20:14.16glassah
20:14.26glassRST38h: russia?
20:14.31RST38hglass: Given that DC++ network is local...
20:14.35glassyou mentioned something about russia anyhow
20:14.36glassah
20:14.38RST38hglass: No, ultranet.ru-local
20:15.02RST38hglass: Which covers Moscow north/northwest basically
20:15.05glassRST38h: okays. i've heard of such setups. and the student network here had a similar setup
20:17.09RST38hglass: Yes, except that this "student network" potentially connects 3-4 million people
20:17.23woglindelaaallaaa
20:17.41glassRST38h: i still prefer the billions over millions
20:17.44glass:p
20:18.04RST38hglass: But the arrangement appeared in a similar way, some guys connected their computers together with ethernet, then connected a few more buildings, started charging money, etc
20:18.21glassyeah
20:18.30RST38hglass: Not a problem, you just pay for traffic outside ultranet.ru
20:19.08lcukor people in the net that can afford and dont mind just carry on paying their normal net fee and just provide a gateway
20:19.15glassRST38h: look.. my warez habits have gone the way of pressing entire seasons or series to download at once
20:19.17RST38hglass: Most of the ...ehh... content can be found locally though, so there is no need to download 40GB of video from the outside
20:19.19glassmodern marvels ftw
20:19.54RST38hglass: Well, I downloaded Fringe from the Net last time, and did not hit my cap :)
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20:20.58ideamonkhmm got problems... followed till step 4 on http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo5_alpha_installation/#manualsdkinstall
20:21.06glassRST38h: it's all relative though.. prices of things
20:21.13RST38htrue
20:21.17ideamonkXephyr is running in another window
20:21.19ideamonkbut [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start
20:21.20ideamonkbash: af-sb-init.sh: command not found
20:21.22ideamonkdoesnt work
20:21.35RST38hAt the end of the day, the only prices that matter are lodging, food, and transporation
20:22.01glassmedicine, fun
20:22.04glasscan't live without fun
20:22.08glasspeople suicide then
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20:23.09woglindere rst
20:23.15RST38hfun can be had rather cheaply
20:23.35RST38hbooks, hobbies, light tourism
20:25.00RST38bishealth and education are tough though
20:25.06glasssince i had to stop drinking my aspirations for another trip to russia have pretty much died
20:25.23glasseducation is free if you got internet and brains and language skills
20:25.42glassand time
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20:26.12RST38biswell, educating kids is more complicated
20:26.33glassit seems like that everywhere, everytime
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20:27.40glasswe went to russian karelia in the early '90s with family(i must have been 12-13 or so)
20:28.21glassafter the curtain fell. was pretty exotic..
20:29.22glassso. anyone got board/chip specs of the rx51
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20:32.27RST38bisglass: i would suggest moscow in cool dry weather
20:33.08RST38bisglass: can wander here for hours and never see a repeating sight
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20:38.22dropcodeI'm wondering if theres anyone here who can answer a question for me regarding Python Purple
20:38.46dropcodeI'm just wondering if its possible to get it set up on either windows or a linux that isn't debian?
20:39.21dropcodei'm not all too proficient with linux myself so I don't really know where to start
20:40.13ideamonkcan i install apps on the maemo emulator ? if so how ? and the default setup really seems empty !
20:40.22ideamonkis that normal or i scrwd the setup
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20:46.11RST38bisyou can, apt-get
20:46.52ideamonkoh is it... thats sweeet
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21:09.49VDVsxoh my 'gerbick' also trolls in engadget :(
21:10.20JaffaHe's the new Mike Cane
21:10.37JaffaAltho' I've seen his name re-trolling recently
21:10.57qwerty12_N810We Want Darius!
21:13.19JaffaDarius for pres^Wcouncil
21:13.41JaffaTalking of which, I need to start the balls rolling
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21:14.42RST38bisDarius is unavailable at the moment, being serviced at some psychiatric ward.
21:14.56Stskeepswhere's frank.wagner when we need him!
21:14.56Stskeeps:P
21:15.18RST38bisBut he will be back as soon as his sedatives wear off
21:15.28VDVsxmet darius, Mike cane isn't from my time, I guess :)
21:15.52qwerty12_N810Lol, even Reggie banned him
21:15.55RST38bisDarius is actually a star of a kind
21:16.10qwerty12_N810(and Reggie isn't really one to use his power against proper members)
21:16.13RST38bisFamous Polish nutcase troll
21:16.30qwerty12_N810With an Yahoo Ireland account :)
21:17.04VDVsxDarius was a star ....for some time
21:17.09RST38bisqwerty: oh, you don't wanna say...
21:18.14VDVsx"will be the next think tank", eheheh
21:19.05VDVsxthe guy always said that :)
21:19.27qwerty12_N810Khertan's awesome: [to Darius] "Stupid asshole could you stop spamming ... !"
21:20.10Stskeepswhich would have sounded even more awesome in french
21:20.11Stskeeps:P
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21:20.34VDVsxlolol
21:21.02VDVsx" Notice there are no Red and Green Buttons ( Call send and End ) could be touch sensitive like in Nokia 5530 ." hummm
21:21.19Stskeepsdid noone notice it has a screen protector on it?
21:21.21Stskeeps:P
21:21.31Stskeepsthe sticker is even there to peel it off
21:21.42VDVsxyup, I noticed that
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21:22.51qwerty12_N810wonders if it'll be able to run MIDP stuff, being a phone and all...
21:23.05Stskeepsit should be powerful enough for it
21:24.31Jaffaqwerty12_N810: I'd be surprised OOTB, but Jalimo etc will run well
21:25.01JaffaThe new ARM JVMs are reasonable enough on an N8x0 once started
21:26.02JaffaHopefully the fasterness will help there (and Python, too)
21:26.06JaffaBed time
21:26.28qwerty12_N810It'd be interesting, after all, even my old N-Gage (no, it was not used for calls) could run MIDP 1.0 stuff :)
21:26.30qwerty12_N810gn
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21:34.54xnt14[work]~beatup the idiots who made mssql and liberty
21:35.17xnt14[work]~beat the idiots who made mssql and liberty
21:35.18infobotACTION beats the idiots who made mssql and liberty with a very wet, sticky noodle
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21:35.18xnt14[work]~kill the idiots who made mssql and liberty
21:35.19infobotACTION shoots a excited pseudophoton gun at the idiots who made mssql and liberty
21:35.23Stskeepspasses xnt14[work] some ritalin
21:35.26xnt14[work]xD
21:36.18xnt14[work]chokes the idiot...er...Lead Developer at ms
21:36.38xnt14[work]no really, they are retards.....
21:36.54xnt14[work]goes back to win2000......
21:37.03xnt14[work]*forcibly :P
21:37.23xnt14[work]wonders if this thing works with mysql......
21:38.24Stskeepsqwerty12_N810: not that you care about fremantle that much, but with fremantle beta2 xchat has started breaking
21:38.32Stskeeps(when we added those apis)
21:38.39qwerty12_N810and?
21:38.47Stskeepsa heads up :)
21:39.13Stskeepswill be writing a patch for it probably
21:39.36qwerty12_N810I'm not an maintainer of it anyway, it was just a move to 2.8.6 and other hacks that I wanted to see
21:39.44Stskeepsah
21:40.24RST38biswhat apis btw??
21:40.45StskeepsRST38bis: ah, we upgraded to gtk 2.14 and newer libosso, something's bound to go wrong
21:40.48Stskeeps:P
21:41.04RST38bisah, sure
21:41.29RST38bisthat has got all the chances to break apps =)
21:41.31qwerty12_N810Adding vibration would be awesome (it's always been a TODO to add LED support...)
21:44.04RST38bisyellow or magenta led color =)
21:44.23RST38bisi have never seen these two before
21:44.44qwerty12_N810Grab jott's ledcolor.py and see them :)
21:47.30RST38bisgot it, just havent tried it
21:49.49FirebirdHmm, has anyone ported ogre3d to maemo 5?
21:54.20RST38bis<sleep>
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22:46.02Macerhm
22:46.15Macerdosbox for maemo?
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23:09.46javispedroMacer, it's been on extras-devel for a while
23:12.30Macerjavispedro: just got my n810 last week
23:12.41Macerbut ive been usikng mer for a bit
23:12.45Macerand well.....
23:12.53Macer;)
23:13.03Macerno comment
23:14.16javispedroMacer, ah, first contact with Mer still scares a bit, if that's what you mean
23:15.05Macera bit is an understatement
23:15.07Macerheh
23:15.19Macerbut i guess everything starts somewhere
23:15.57Macerim using pb's maemo to sd deal now
23:16.12Macerso far maemo seems the best bet on an n810
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23:36.45javispedroheh
23:36.50javispedrogot to the mario kart title screen
23:37.10javispedroat frameskip=1 it's faster than realtime
23:38.12javispedrounfortunately crashes when enabling gcc's -O :(
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23:49.08timeless_mbphey, is there a .install for Tear?
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