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| 00:08.17 | Macer | ok |
| 00:08.17 | Macer | ordered a 16G |
| 00:08.29 | Macer | but it didnt come with an adapter |
| 00:08.54 | Macer | and i saw a c6 4G with a minisd adapter for like $11 |
| 00:08.57 | Macer | heh |
| 00:09.03 | Macer | microsd |
| 00:09.14 | Macer | wow they sure are making them big |
| 00:09.30 | Macer | soon 32G microsd? |
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| 02:04.26 | Macer | wtf |
| 02:04.35 | Macer | n810 nokia car charger for 50 cents? :) |
| 02:04.36 | Macer | heh |
| 02:04.48 | Macer | not much demand for a nokia car charger i guess? |
| 02:05.18 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000FTE1C4/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2MST4UOVLVIDN&v=glance |
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| 02:17.42 | chx | LOL 53 cents! |
| 02:18.14 | chx | http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-33-0311-05-Small-Barrel-Charger/dp/B000FTG6EA/ref=pd_sim__4?ie=UTF8&m=A2MST4UOVLVIDN 99 cents wall brick rotflmao |
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| 02:32.08 | Macer | wtf |
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| 03:02.23 | b-man16 | i finally got my tablet back today :) |
| 03:02.57 | b-man16 | but the company that i sent it to was unable to fix it >:( |
| 03:03.49 | b-man16 | so it looks like i'll have to buy an N810 :( |
| 03:04.20 | b-man16 | is really pissed |
| 03:04.31 | LinuxCode | sorry to hear that mate |
| 03:04.45 | LinuxCode | di they at least tell you what the problem was ? |
| 03:05.43 | b-man16 | theay claimed that there was corrosion damage |
| 03:06.10 | b-man16 | but i took a look and there was no damage >:( |
| 03:06.19 | LinuxCode | they charged you how much ? |
| 03:06.27 | b-man16 | $108.00 |
| 03:06.31 | LinuxCode | pffff |
| 03:06.36 | LinuxCode | I think you been had mate |
| 03:06.50 | b-man16 | indeed :( |
| 03:07.06 | LinuxCode | take pictures, get a witness |
| 03:07.25 | LinuxCode | dispute they did any work, and ask for a written clarification on where the damage is |
| 03:07.50 | LinuxCode | for 108 dollars, you could have had almost 50% of a new n810 |
| 03:08.54 | b-man16 | my dad is going to file a complaint to the tech support center at nokia |
| 03:09.47 | b-man16 | (it was sent out under his name) |
| 03:18.18 | LinuxCode | k |
| 03:20.11 | b-man16 | the company's name is Palco btw |
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| 03:31.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | so will the N900 have solar panels on the back? |
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| 03:48.47 | LinuxCode | CutMeOwnThroat, it will come with a nuclear power reactor that is portable... |
| 03:48.53 | LinuxCode | is that helpful to you ? |
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| 03:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | fusion or fission? |
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| 03:51.25 | LinuxCode | fission, with a subscription for nuclear decommissioning |
| 03:52.16 | LinuxCode | on a more serious note |
| 03:52.30 | LinuxCode | I have given up hope to get a N810 replacement before the year is out |
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| 04:01.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only got my N810 a couple of months ago! |
| 04:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mainly use it for reading ebooks, though, it turned out |
| 04:01.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | could as well have been a kindle |
| 04:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... eww... proprietary formats |
| 04:04.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... too big to lug around everywhere |
| 04:05.19 | LinuxCode | I use it to read email, to do list |
| 04:05.22 | LinuxCode | calendar |
| 04:05.28 | LinuxCode | sometimes irc... |
| 04:05.44 | LinuxCode | rss |
| 04:05.55 | LinuxCode | sync with evolution |
| 04:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wireless is sometimes useful when there's enough free wireless around |
| 04:06.11 | LinuxCode | naturally |
| 04:06.22 | LinuxCode | has 3 spots in town where he can get free wlan |
| 04:06.32 | LinuxCode | ohh I lied |
| 04:06.41 | LinuxCode | some pubs have it too |
| 04:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I used to watch the (previously downloaded) German tv news on my way home |
| 04:07.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading is easier, though |
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| 05:06.53 | Macer | wtf convinced nokia to use a minisd |
| 05:06.55 | Macer | heh |
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| 05:23.02 | RST38h | Macer: Funny, had the same question about MicroSD |
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| 05:24.13 | Stskeeps | microsd is at least easy to get here |
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| 05:26.54 | Macer | microsd? |
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| 05:33.09 | RST38h | MicroSDs are so tiny that I have trouble inserting them, anywhere |
| 05:34.46 | Macer | http://www.laptopmag.com/review/laptops/emtec-gdium-liberty-1000.aspx |
| 05:42.20 | Macer | RST38h: they arent bad |
| 05:42.47 | Macer | mini is just the bastard middle brother that no parent loves |
| 05:52.02 | RST38h | Yep, unfortunately |
| 05:53.27 | RST38h | I am not buying a MIPS laptop. Had enough insight into guts of those. |
| 05:54.17 | Stskeeps | i find it ironic mips android works together with Open Embedded Software Foundation (oesf.jp - extremely pro-android) .. vs the old old oesf.org (same name, with a space..) |
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| 07:14.26 | slonopotamus | DarwinSurvivor, DarwinSurvivor_, surviving involves doing copies of yourself? :) |
| 07:14.59 | DarwinSurvivor_ | slonopotamus, sorry, xchat likes to load without a panel applet, then close and leaves ghosts behind, i'm working on fixing it... |
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| 07:15.19 | slonopotamus | DarwinSurvivor_, just kidding :) |
| 07:15.45 | slonopotamus | he didn't survive :/ |
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| 07:20.27 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:20.33 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
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| 07:33.50 | lardman | morning |
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| 08:20.53 | lardman | curses his cold |
| 08:21.31 | Stskeeps | is spending time with reimbursement forms and receipts |
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| 08:22.09 | lardman | yuck |
| 08:22.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: How's the fight with the "Mer is dangerous" person going? |
| 08:22.21 | lardman | though good once done |
| 08:22.29 | lardman | hi qwerty12_N810 |
| 08:22.41 | qwerty12_N810 | hi lardman |
| 08:25.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, there was a bit of sarcasm, but it was the type of person who insists warning labels should be on things or something.. |
| 08:25.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:25.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh >.< |
| 08:28.38 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, lardman, "dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller /com/nokia/osso_hp_ls_controller com.nokia.osso_hp_ls_controller.loudspeaker.force_loudspeaker_on" is usually quicker to get the speaker working than rebooting |
| 08:30.36 | lardman | ah yes, I knew there was a command somewhere, thanks |
| 08:30.43 | lardman | any ideas why it just stops working? |
| 08:31.30 | qwerty12_N810 | None at all :(. On an N800, that could be attributed to the FM Radio applet but no idea why on an N810 |
| 08:32.04 | lardman | my mic also doesn't seem to work without the headphones plugged in, though I've not checked that by rebooting |
| 08:32.23 | lardman | so perhaps some fault with one of the chips that senses the headphones, who knows |
| 08:33.46 | lardman | anyway thanks, have created a script so I can call that at will :) |
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| 08:35.57 | Stskeeps | phew, finally debconf9 reimbursement sent off to nokia |
| 08:36.21 | sp3000 | Stskeeps: did mer microwave his cat? |
| 08:36.44 | Stskeeps | sp3000: nah, it just kills people's devices |
| 08:37.16 | Stskeeps | glances curiously on the "firefox on maemo" talk |
| 08:37.33 | qwerty12_N810 | "My device survived Mer and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt" |
| 08:37.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm so making you that tshirt |
| 08:37.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:38.01 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
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| 08:49.48 | lardman | have to pop out to the shops, back later on |
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| 10:06.01 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-task-launcher-2.png , http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-virtual-keyboard.png (a must see) |
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| 10:07.51 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: hehe, nice |
| 10:08.04 | Stskeeps | pure fvwm |
| 10:11.01 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: purty |
| 10:11.11 | Stskeeps | half the ram of hildon desktop |
| 10:11.29 | Jaffa | Nice. |
| 10:12.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Get OMWeather on there and you'll have people flocking to Mer by the numbers :P |
| 10:13.21 | Stskeeps | we'll probably have to adopt hildon-home |
| 10:14.10 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: There was a question on the new Mauku thread as to whether anybody had tried it on Mer yet. Given it's a fairly straightforward Fremantle app, it should be a good test case for "just running" |
| 10:14.25 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: sure, but mauku also uses the new desktop API |
| 10:14.31 | Stskeeps | which we don't implement in 0.15 just yet |
| 10:14.37 | Jaffa | Isn't that a separate widget? |
| 10:14.51 | Stskeeps | probably, but yeah, it's a good case for testing if things run |
| 10:14.52 | Jaffa | s/widget/app or pkg/ |
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| 10:22.02 | wazd | hello everybody |
| 10:22.58 | lbt | hey wazd |
| 10:23.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: #mer , and see http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-task-launcher-2.png , http://zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/fvwm-virtual-keyboard.png (a must see) |
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| 10:24.09 | lcuk | speaking of purdy graphics, z4chh has been working on his zachmon http://www.flickr.com/photos/38672658@N07/ |
| 10:24.20 | lcuk | Stskeeps, thats really sweet looking |
| 10:26.33 | Jaffa | lcuk: nice glassy look |
| 10:26.49 | lcuk | yeah it surprised me too when i saw it |
| 10:27.27 | Jaffa | Stskeeps wazd: I've got a real problem with the way the Mer top bar stands out (or doesn't). Feels like the fading might need to be stronger (ideally, perhaps even a blur a la Aero ;-)) |
| 10:27.58 | Jaffa | But I can't really put my finger on it |
| 10:28.42 | wazd | Jaffa: that's temporary skin |
| 10:28.51 | wazd | Jaffa: it will be something like this: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108449165872402 |
| 10:32.32 | lcuk | jaffa, why does the fading have to be stronger on areas where there is nothing? |
| 10:32.39 | lcuk | or did you mean on the actual button areas? |
| 10:33.39 | wazd | Jaffa: And blur is a shader effect - not for old tablets :) |
| 10:35.20 | X-Fade | wazd: Pre-render? |
| 10:35.42 | wazd | X-Fade: pre-render what? :) |
| 10:35.52 | X-Fade | the blur as image? |
| 10:36.17 | wazd | X-Fade: hmm, is it worth it? :) |
| 10:36.44 | Jaffa | wazd: could be. Would look fab |
| 10:36.50 | X-Fade | That is what the old hildon desktop did anyway. |
| 10:36.53 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 10:36.56 | Jaffa | I was about to say that |
| 10:37.23 | Jaffa | lcuk: There's something sitting on top of the background (the top panel), but it's totally transparent. |
| 10:37.30 | wazd | X-Fade: hmm, that's an idea to consider :) |
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| 10:37.50 | Jaffa | wazd: Old Hildon desktop took your selected background, scaled it and drew parts of the theme over the top to make rendering quick. |
| 10:38.31 | Jaffa | So blurring the top 50(?)px, and even doing the translucency and any borders would give a really fantastic looking effect (like OS X, Compiz or Vista's Aero) on low end hardware. |
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| 10:38.42 | wazd | Jaffa: Well, I'm totally not against blur if it's not ruining the performance :) |
| 10:39.02 | Jaffa | As qwerty12_N810 says: some whizzy eye candy'll draw in the testers :) |
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| 10:40.07 | wazd | jaffa: so basically it can make anything with background underneath |
| 10:41.09 | Jaffa | Should even be possible to do it with a single command using ImageMagick |
| 10:43.06 | wazd | Jaffa: something like this: http://i017.radikal.ru/0908/e8/e2bae5895313.jpg |
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| 10:45.33 | Jaffa | wazd: yup. I'd be tempted to make the bevel at the top and bottom a little less harsh too, FWIW. |
| 10:45.43 | Jaffa | Nice background btw :) |
| 10:46.00 | Jaffa | Mer should have a backgrounds package including some of these |
| 10:48.45 | Andy80 | very nice :) |
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| 10:59.41 | wazd | Jaffa: well, soft bevel will make the look too much like any other modern os |
| 11:00.19 | wazd | Jaffa: I think these harsh stripes adds some uniique look |
| 11:01.32 | Jaffa | The harsh stripes reminds _me_ of old computers which didn't have the palette to do a more subtle appearance. |
| 11:01.59 | wazd | Jaffa: like n800? :D |
| 11:02.04 | Jaffa | And looking "like any other modern OS", when said modern OSes don't run on tablets etc. isn't a bad thing. |
| 11:02.13 | slonopotamus | any sed/awk gurus? i need to append some text to each line in a file |
| 11:02.43 | Jaffa | wazd: I'm thinking 4-bit palettes of 16 colours in Windows 3.x, RISC OS 2, Amiga's Workbench, ... |
| 11:03.23 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Something like : sed -e 's/$/ Appended text./' <in >out |
| 11:03.43 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, thx |
| 11:05.45 | lcuk | grrrr @ twitter not sending because of google-analytics |
| 11:08.45 | lcuk | jaffa, coding the ui expecting low bit depths is actually a positive thing - sunlight readability. subtle changes are wasted most of the time anyway |
| 11:09.00 | lcuk | also, it means it works better on devices that havent got super graphics available |
| 11:11.26 | Jaffa | lcuk: I think assuming 8-bit colour is reasonable; and I use my tablet indoors more often than I do outside. <shrug/> |
| 11:12.03 | Jaffa | IME, people'll make decisions as to try software (incl. Mer) based on screenshots. |
| 11:12.05 | lcuk | heh, dont go too far - you will give wazd a heart attack |
| 11:12.12 | lcuk | you gotta give him at least 65k colors ;) |
| 11:12.28 | Jaffa | lcuk: Right, so that's plenty then for a less harsh effect ;-p |
| 11:12.51 | lcuk | hell yeah - its theme based anyway so its not a big deal either way |
| 11:12.57 | lcuk | hgh contract theme |
| 11:13.00 | lcuk | jaffa soft theme |
| 11:14.11 | lcuk | i know konttori is doing the theme designer for fremantle, and i recall that they wont be compatible, but i wonder if there could be a sidestep path to allow fremantle themes to be used/converted for use in mer |
| 11:14.44 | Stskeeps | primary problem is that the themes are not OSS right now :) |
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| 11:16.05 | lcuk | but once people start using the designer to make their own themes, they can be on whatever license they want |
| 11:16.11 | Woolly | lardman: ping |
| 11:16.15 | lcuk | having a path to use the themes would be good |
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| 11:21.13 | wazd | jaffa: again, soft gradient is slightly boring. If you have 65k colors, you shouldn't use them all same time :) The goal is to make the look attractive and slightly outstanding |
| 11:21.40 | wazd | So user will look ath the screenshot and say: "Hey, it's Mer" :) |
| 11:23.23 | Jaffa | wazd: IMHO, the harsh light bars at the top and bottom of the top bar put too much emphasis on trying to make the bar stick out compared with the content of the bar and the application beneath it. That's why "modern OSes" are moving towards softer edges, to not distract from the bits doing the actual work for the user. |
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| 11:24.49 | VDVsx | sends ninjas to etrunko house/work place :P |
| 11:25.05 | wazd | Jaffa: and btw, borders are not that contrast to distract |
| 11:25.36 | wazd | Jaffa: http://picasaweb.google.ru/Drew.Zhilin/MerArtwork#5363108267333512962 <- to my mind it's pretty soft when the app is launched :) |
| 11:27.01 | Jaffa | wazd: True. Perhaps I'm just mis-remembering and/or confused. |
| 11:27.18 | wazd | Jaffa: and I'm defending this idea not because it's mine, it's zemvoid's :P |
| 11:27.43 | wazd | zenvoid's* |
| 11:28.33 | wazd | Jaffa: more than that, I totally aggree with you that UI should be as much soft looking as possible |
| 11:29.16 | wazd | Jaffa: You can see it in icons and stuff :) |
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| 11:31.56 | VDVsx | humm, it seems that we will have nokia WRT in maemo5, cool :) |
| 11:32.20 | wazd | VDVsx: what's WRT? :) |
| 11:32.38 | VDVsx | web runtime toolkit |
| 11:32.53 | Stskeeps | i'm even more pondering if we'll have firefox or fennec, honestly |
| 11:33.04 | VDVsx | wazd, http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Web_Technologies/Web_Runtime/ |
| 11:33.13 | wazd | Stskeeps: microb? :) |
| 11:33.21 | Stskeeps | 'Firefox on Maemo' is a bit awkward title for a talk |
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| 11:33.52 | Stskeeps | oh that's nice |
| 11:33.55 | Stskeeps | ' Skype on Maemo' |
| 11:34.09 | javispedro | hmm... WRT implies WebKit |
| 11:34.10 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, fennec was/will be renamed, isn't it ? |
| 11:34.15 | javispedro | what does that mean for MicroB? |
| 11:34.20 | wazd | oh, htwl widgets, cool :) |
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| 11:34.52 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: hopefully, death. |
| 11:34.59 | wazd | My fingers can't type what I want them to type :( |
| 11:35.08 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, ah, don't be so harsh, I was actually starting to like it :D |
| 11:35.23 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
| 11:35.42 | wazd | microb is like a tank, it's slow but it goes anywhere :) |
| 11:36.08 | wazd | and to be fair, it's not always slow |
| 11:36.59 | VDVsx | wazd, good point :) and at least I can see flash videos :) |
| 11:37.28 | VDVsx | ....coufg coufg HTC hero |
| 11:38.34 | javispedro | i want to give it a try at good snes emulation. any suggestions where to start? |
| 11:38.38 | javispedro | ^^^ pupnik |
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| 11:38.51 | javispedro | i saw you started porting drpocketsnes |
| 11:39.54 | javispedro | i was thinking something like LJP (cause I have no gp2x experience, but loads of PalmOS) |
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| 11:47.28 | Woolly | lardman: ping |
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| 11:47.35 | lardman | Woolly: pong |
| 11:47.46 | lardman | that was good timing, I just walked in |
| 11:47.51 | Woolly | lardman: haha shweet :) |
| 11:48.03 | Woolly | lardman: do you still have the compiled binary for maemo-barcode? |
| 11:48.20 | lardman | yeah, let me find an url for you |
| 11:48.26 | Woolly | lardman: ace of spades |
| 11:48.29 | lardman | the ui isn't very good by the way |
| 11:49.06 | Woolly | lardman: that's okay :) Can it recognise EAN13s? |
| 11:49.29 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/maemo-barcode/ |
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| 11:51.15 | lardman | yeah, or perhaps better is to use the test program from trunk |
| 11:51.22 | lardman | as that just spits out eans |
| 11:51.34 | RST38h | javis: Avoid porting palmos stuff |
| 11:51.54 | lardman | Woolly: I don't have a copy of that lying about though |
| 11:52.01 | javispedro | RST38h, I know what to expect :) |
| 11:52.06 | RST38h | javis: Stick with gp2x - even if you have no experience, gp2x is a relatively generic linux machine |
| 11:52.10 | lardman | derf: do you happen to have a copy of the 1D barcode test program? |
| 11:52.24 | RST38h | palmos is...mm...ok |
| 11:52.25 | Woolly | lardman: that's okay, thanks for the binary :) |
| 11:52.56 | lardman | np, am moving to python now, tell me what you need and I can put together a quick program for you. Or try at least :) |
| 11:53.05 | lardman | using zbar as the backend |
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| 11:56.13 | derf | lardman: Not offhand, no. |
| 12:01.11 | lardman | np and thanks, have pointed Woolly to zbar and some Python |
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| 12:21.29 | RST38h | hehe, LG wants $1200+ for a watch phone |
| 12:22.07 | RST38h | almost makes me think they have no idea that Chinese are selling these for a couple of years now |
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| 12:33.16 | Woolly | lardman|lunch: FYI http://pastie.org/575343 |
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| 12:42.22 | GeneralAntilles | Irrational, meaningless MicroB hate. |
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| 12:43.39 | RST38h | GAN: not enough of it. add more hate! =0 |
| 12:43.48 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, good, the Nokia Slowing Down thread has devolved into (mostly) a bunch of people whose opinions I don't care about bickering amongst themselves. |
| 12:43.53 | wazd_n800 | I'm back) |
| 12:43.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, troll it to death, please. |
| 12:44.20 | RST38h | GAN: I think I have completed the loop |
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| 12:44.44 | RST38h | they labelled me a nokia fan and gave up =) |
| 12:46.05 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 12:46.15 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, bunch of incoherent, inconsistent idiots. |
| 12:46.21 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, remember your talk about nokia wrt ? damn have to bet on the lottery :P |
| 12:46.30 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, heya) |
| 12:46.36 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, my talk? |
| 12:46.40 | RST38h | pretty consistent and easily classifiable |
| 12:46.42 | GeneralAntilles | doesn't recall ever having any talks. |
| 12:46.47 | VDVsx | S/your/our/ |
| 12:46.52 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, that. |
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| 12:47.21 | GeneralAntilles | That wasn't so much a prediction or guess as knowledge based on what Nokia's plans were. :P |
| 12:47.43 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, sorry, inconsistent about who they choose to hate on and why. |
| 12:47.58 | RST38h | wazd: http://drugoi.livejournal.com/3012679.html |
| 12:48.16 | GeneralAntilles | Very consistently hypocritical. |
| 12:48.21 | RST38h | wazd: fire, water, people at work |
| 12:48.39 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, I know :), but you doubted, if I recall currently |
| 12:49.21 | zap | Can someone try to pull out the MMC card off N810, and then re-insert it: it won't automount after that on mine. Wonder if that's my problem or everybody have it. |
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| 12:50.16 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, you've either got the wrong person or it was another discussion I'm recalling. |
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| 12:50.42 | GeneralAntilles | I see a large-scale usage like the Pre as unlikely. |
| 12:51.00 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, nah |
| 12:51.14 | GeneralAntilles | But MicroB's architecture certainly indicated that they planned to use it in several applications at once. |
| 12:51.28 | GeneralAntilles | There's no way they're migrating to non-native, though. |
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| 12:52.28 | RST38h | you mean browserd vs the shell? |
| 12:52.43 | GeneralAntilles | I mean it's time for me to go to work. |
| 12:52.46 | GeneralAntilles | Later. |
| 12:52.53 | RST38h | good luck |
| 12:53.20 | RST38h | zap: it requires umount first |
| 12:54.07 | zap | RST38h: you mean, user Joe has to issue "umount" from root console before removing the mmc card? |
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| 12:54.39 | zap | besides, if I insert the USB cable into N810 and then pull it out, it automounts fine |
| 12:54.55 | Mek | do you close the cover over the mmc card? |
| 12:55.03 | zap | does it matter? |
| 12:55.05 | Mek | yes |
| 12:55.06 | zap | I'll try to close it |
| 12:55.11 | Mek | it unmounts when you open it, and mounts when you close it |
| 12:55.27 | VDVsx | the strange thing here, is that WRT runs under webkit, microB and fennec use gecko o_0 |
| 12:56.01 | lcuk | wrt is just simplified html+js isnt it |
| 12:56.15 | zap | Mek: thank you, it did the trick |
| 12:56.17 | lcuk | ie half pint web experience - keep it simple and light to get best perf |
| 12:56.52 | lcuk | http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/alessandro-la-rosas-forum-nokia-blog/2009/05/21/mobilising-websites-guidelines-for-wrt-widgets-development-part-2 |
| 12:57.06 | lcuk | a very good overview for folks, since its the topic ;) |
| 12:57.18 | Jaffa | konttori's interview from about 18 months ago shwos that Elephanta would likely have had WRT |
| 12:57.22 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=30693 |
| 12:57.24 | Stskeeps | ^ interesting |
| 12:58.11 | Jaffa | Indeed |
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| 12:58.44 | VDVsx | lcuk, you need a render engine, I guess |
| 12:59.04 | RST38h | Sts: cool |
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| 12:59.25 | lcuk | VDVsx, where would i get one of those from.. |
| 12:59.27 | lcuk | ;) |
| 12:59.35 | Stskeeps | RST38h: ultimate trolling place? ;p |
| 12:59.35 | lcuk | i need to make my html parser better :P |
| 13:00.06 | VDVsx | lcuk, just pick one :) |
| 13:00.18 | lcuk | all of them work in rgb |
| 13:00.40 | lcuk | and render to those surfaces, converting one to liqbase would make it really poor |
| 13:00.51 | RST38h | Sts: I guess this one can be taken seriously for a change |
| 13:00.58 | lcuk | i looked a while ago :) |
| 13:01.08 | RST38h | Sts: I doubt it will make a difference but still |
| 13:02.42 | lcuk | VDVsx, they wouldnt make best use of what liqbase can offer - i have a html parser and dynamic loading of images from web and stuff and can do most of what i want (liqcells are at the lowest level equivilent to DOM elements) |
| 13:02.58 | wazd_n801 | let's make a branch - «Troll's swamp» =) |
| 13:03.26 | vilen | hey, everybody |
| 13:03.30 | vilen | !i have a question |
| 13:03.31 | VDVsx | lcuk, :) |
| 13:03.45 | vilen | is there a way to compile kernel modules for maemo |
| 13:03.56 | vilen | and deploying them on the device |
| 13:04.05 | vilen | without flashing the kernel |
| 13:04.08 | vilen | ? |
| 13:04.33 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, RST38h bet $10, that we will have trolling posts there by the end of the day :) |
| 13:04.34 | slonopotamus | vilen, put them in any place you like and insmod? |
| 13:05.06 | vilen | hmm ok |
| 13:05.30 | vilen | so i can compile on the scratchbox and insmod the .ko file on the actual device? |
| 13:05.42 | slonopotamus | vilen, yep |
| 13:05.50 | vilen | ok thanks |
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| 13:09.36 | wazd_n801 | Lolz. Bout a week ago I thought that it would be cool to set "Mama, ooooo" from Bohemian Rhapsody as a ringtone for my mom calling |
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| 13:09.59 | wazd_n801 | Just heard it from another guy's phone) |
| 13:10.20 | slonopotamus | hehe |
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| 13:15.13 | RST38h | [6~~ |
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| 13:20.11 | Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, the roof is on fire :) |
| 13:20.43 | Zhilin_n800 | RST38h, I'm happy that there were no people |
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| 13:25.24 | Zhilin_n800 | ok, my station, cya later chaps |
| 13:32.44 | lbt | X-Fade: could you set mer.maemo.org -> wiki.maemo.org/Mer ? |
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| 13:48.08 | ideamonk | guys I've got an amd64 machine, and I think the maemo SDK doesn't support that well, I'm on ubuntu 9.04 amd64, is there a linux distro which installs 32bit over amd64 hardware. I've been able to use fedora 11 32bit on my laptop, but it seemed broken.. any suggestion for such a distro ? |
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| 13:48.50 | javispedro | ideamonk, I am using the maemo sdk 1 on my debian lenny amd64 machine fine, what's the problem? |
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| 13:49.13 | ideamonk | hmm installing over amd64 isn't possible right ? |
| 13:49.26 | javispedro | it is, but you have to install scratchbox manually |
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| 13:49.55 | javispedro | (does the scratchbox automated installer has an option for --force-architecture?) |
| 13:50.06 | ideamonk | oh k, im gonna try again then :) |
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| 13:50.58 | RST38h | "It has proven difficult to obtain permission to utilize Foundation assets to obtain genetic samples directly from Pliocene-era life" |
| 13:52.38 | ideamonk | will let you guys know if i find probs.. gonna try soon |
| 13:53.31 | javispedro | ideamonk, the fremantle automated scratchbox installer definitely has an option for amd64 |
| 13:53.38 | javispedro | "-FUse dpkg --force-architecture for 64-bit Linux" |
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| 14:09.53 | lcuk | gahhh my twitter is not twittering |
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| 14:14.00 | GAN800 | lcuk, twitter is silly and bad for your intelligence. :P |
| 14:14.56 | lcuk | twitter is irc2.0 |
| 14:15.08 | lcuk | it suffices |
| 14:15.35 | lopz | hi |
| 14:16.48 | Stskeeps | actually twitter reminds me much of personal irc channels + loggers tbh.. |
| 14:16.57 | thux | is twitter better than irc? |
| 14:16.57 | Stskeeps | centralized structure |
| 14:17.06 | Stskeeps | and with less line width :P |
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| 14:18.27 | GAN800 | chuckles at Talk. |
| 14:18.50 | RST38h | But it is Web2.0! |
| 14:19.01 | RST38h | IRC is soooo last century, isn't it? =) |
| 14:19.15 | thux | which one take more bandwidth? |
| 14:19.59 | RST38h | Web2.0 always takes more |
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| 14:20.32 | thux | ok |
| 14:21.01 | thux | irc is easy to use |
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| 14:23.54 | GAN800 | What (or which . . . ) idiot decided that it would be a good idea to let us flounder around with dead software and no new hardware for two years. . . . |
| 14:24.16 | Mek | I doubt it was a conscious decision... |
| 14:25.03 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i'm sure it's the same people deciding which libraries should be closed source ;) |
| 14:26.04 | Stskeeps | last one in question is a library to print debug output.. |
| 14:26.09 | GAN800 | Mek, sure it was, somebody killed Elephanta. |
| 14:26.25 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, bugzilla. |
| 14:26.58 | Stskeeps | GAN800: i have a good bunch of bugs in my belt right now, but i did ponder a bug on "request for information on what the hell you smoked when you chose to close source these things" |
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| 14:27.05 | GAN800 | Just more community-killing idiocy from Nokia. They're getting pretty good at it. |
| 14:27.17 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, do it. |
| 14:27.35 | Stskeeps | GAN800: worst part is for some of it i can see the reasoning |
| 14:27.39 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, don't make it easy for them to release unjustified closed stuff. |
| 14:28.21 | Stskeeps | fremantle will be the first "complete" implementation of the fremantle APIs, and you won't be seeing a fremantle clone right away on some random chinese device :P |
| 14:28.47 | GAN800 | Ah fuck, Sotomayor. . . . |
| 14:29.40 | lcuk | GAN800, if an event occurs and a development plan doesnt come along, no matter how many developers you throw at something, you cannot increase speed |
| 14:29.55 | lcuk | its like the baby making paradox |
| 14:29.59 | Mek | probably the waiting will soon be over... :) |
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| 14:30.46 | qwerty12_N810 | can wait for the next device. After all, it's not like it'll be released running Harmattan. |
| 14:30.53 | javispedro | that's wisful thinking. I still think september is a too early prediction. |
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| 14:31.07 | Stskeeps | thinks it'll be september, tbh |
| 14:31.47 | Stskeeps | in terms of how the beta2 code felt |
| 14:31.58 | Stskeeps | and the fact they already started harmattan moves |
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| 14:36.50 | Stskeeps | also, my telephone is dying, i rarely talk to people on the phone, and i want a new device ;) |
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| 14:38.45 | GAN800 | It's probably never going to be released. |
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| 14:39.14 | GAN800 | They're just stringing us along. They're satisfied with keeping us from buying anybody else's product. |
| 14:40.31 | lcuk | GAN800, does anything actually make you happy? |
| 14:40.31 | GAN800 | can't believe they confirmed Sotomayor. |
| 14:40.31 | GAN800 | Hello Constitution burning. |
| 14:40.36 | GAN800 | lcuk, not lately. |
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| 14:40.51 | GAN800 | I'm tired, lcuk. |
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| 14:41.10 | lcuk | :( |
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| 14:54.26 | RST38h | sells Stskeeps a RAZR |
| 14:54.46 | Stskeeps | RST38h: if it wasn't for my k610i dying i don't mind it so much |
| 14:54.57 | Stskeeps | it is the perfect tethering phone |
| 14:55.06 | RST38h | Not Siemens? :) |
| 14:55.16 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: what's wrong with it? |
| 14:55.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: when it gets squeezed it dies :P |
| 14:55.39 | GAN800 | lcuk, I want an announcement, and I want Nokia to stop trying to kill the community. |
| 14:56.24 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: heh :P - is the battery loose or anything? with my K750i, and my W810, I had to use paper to keep the battery in place |
| 14:56.32 | GAN800 | This slow death by idiocy and socialism the US is walking towards needs to stop, too. |
| 14:57.28 | RST38h | Oh man |
| 14:57.48 | RST38h | GAN: Will reading about the latest misogynist massacre entertain you? :) |
| 14:57.57 | RST38h | and...ehh...envigorate you? |
| 14:58.20 | Jaffa | GAN800: With the stuff happening at the summit, including the "co-creation" thing; Nokia've *got* to have got RX-51 into people's hands. Otherwise the summit's a bust. |
| 14:58.54 | RST38h | Jaffa: That is why it is scheduled in Amsterdam. In the worst case, everybody can just get stoned. |
| 15:04.24 | zap | What process is in charge for automounting memory cards? dsme? |
| 15:04.30 | qwerty12_N810 | ke-recv |
| 15:05.30 | GAN800 | Jaffa, wouldn't put it past them. |
| 15:05.30 | qwerty12_N810 | (It uses scripts to do the mounting (dpkg -L ke-recv for the list) and the source can be found in the Maemo SVN) |
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| 15:08.25 | GAN800 | Jaffa, either that or 50 prototypes running the SDK beta 3. |
| 15:09.54 | RST38h | Oh well, going to take a leave from this place of hope and lament |
| 15:10.11 | RST38h | See you later gentlemen |
| 15:12.16 | GAN800 | Gonna be a long day. |
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| 15:20.28 | javispedro | co-creation. smells like a marketing word to me. hope it's fun at least :) |
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| 15:29.57 | GAN800 | "Maemo Council" has now officially become the norm. :sigh: |
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| 15:30.25 | GAN800 | Well, as the new Maemo Council I've decided it's time for Nokia to make an announcement. |
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| 15:31.42 | Stskeeps | it's maemo.org council, maemo.org community council, or what is it again? :P |
| 15:31.56 | GAN800 | Maemo Community Council |
| 15:32.21 | Stskeeps | and maemo.org = maemo community? :P |
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| 15:32.49 | Jaffa | GAN800: Where's "Maemo Council"? |
| 15:32.58 | GAN800 | maemo.org is the home of the Maemo Community |
| 15:33.23 | GAN800 | Jaffa, from every Nokian I've seen mention it in the past two months |
| 15:33.33 | Jaffa | FFS |
| 15:33.38 | GAN800 | Most recently the co-creation email. |
| 15:33.42 | Jaffa | We're not in charge of Maemo! |
| 15:33.52 | GAN800 | Jaffa, Jussi in particular. |
| 15:33.53 | Macer | minisd is already out for delivery |
| 15:34.01 | Macer | ordered it last night |
| 15:34.04 | Macer | ! |
| 15:34.23 | Macer | tigerdirect has to be like 1 mile from my ups office |
| 15:34.24 | GAN800 | Jaffa, I've don't bother trying to correct anybody anymore since they all jump down my throat when I try. |
| 15:34.35 | GAN800 | TigerDirect is evil. |
| 15:34.39 | Macer | probably the same building |
| 15:34.48 | GAN800 | Cheaper is never cheaper with them. |
| 15:35.00 | Macer | ? |
| 15:35.17 | Macer | they are like the walmart of electronics |
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| 15:35.32 | GAN800 | High shipping costs, poor service, frequently ship incorrect or broken items. |
| 15:35.57 | GAN800 | Newegg is where you want to shop. |
| 15:36.01 | Macer | ive honestly only had 1 problem with one of their items |
| 15:36.18 | GAN800 | Don't even think about processing an RMA through them. |
| 15:36.22 | Macer | GAN800: newegg used to do to me.... |
| 15:36.32 | Macer | what you said about td |
| 15:36.37 | Macer | ;) |
| 15:36.50 | Macer | they sent me a replacement vid card |
| 15:36.54 | GAN800 | Half the time you can't even process warranty claims with the manufacturer on stuff you've purchased from TigerDirect. |
| 15:37.15 | Macer | and i had to pay to send back their mistake |
| 15:37.31 | Macer | and they told me they didnt have a passive card |
| 15:37.41 | Macer | when i told them in the order |
| 15:37.59 | Macer | it HAS to be passive and i dont want replacements |
| 15:38.19 | Macer | they were such douches about it i never ordered from ne again |
| 15:38.39 | Macer | over a $20 vid card |
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| 15:39.06 | Macer | after ordering tens of thousands of dollars with them |
| 15:39.25 | Macer | they were total pricks about THEIR mistake |
| 15:39.43 | Robot101 | how do you make oggs work on diablo? |
| 15:39.58 | Robot101 | I had it working on chinook but since I reflashed, neither of mogg nor the ogg thing work for me |
| 15:40.19 | Macer | tony hawk on yo gabba gabba |
| 15:40.41 | Macer | he looks stoned |
| 15:45.35 | VDVsx | Robot101, there's a deb package, afaik |
| 15:45.53 | VDVsx | oggsupport or something like that |
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| 16:45.31 | lardman | afternoon |
| 16:45.38 | woglinde | he lardman |
| 16:45.47 | lardman | hi woglinde |
| 16:46.47 | lardman | quiet, I guess everyone is glued to the cricket |
| 16:47.00 | woglinde | summer holdiay |
| 16:47.08 | lardman | ah, that too |
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| 16:47.26 | woglinde | he fiferboy |
| 16:49.21 | fiferboy | Hello woglinde |
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| 16:50.54 | khertan_n810 | Hello ! |
| 16:53.24 | khertan_n810 | someone know where i can found information about hippocanvas ? |
| 16:53.38 | khertan_n810 | google isn t really usefull |
| 16:56.00 | lcuk | khertan_n810, might be an idea to bob into #sugar or #olpc |
| 16:56.13 | lcuk | (sugar is v active |
| 16:56.52 | lcuk | evening guys \o (and lardman) |
| 16:57.33 | lardman | hi lcuk, why am I not a guy out of interest? |
| 16:57.50 | lardman | you heard about my breast augmentation? |
| 16:57.58 | lardman | just the left one |
| 16:58.02 | khertan_n810 | yep i see in the olpc wiki that this isnt a mature framework |
| 16:58.02 | qwerty12_N810 | /nick lardwoman |
| 16:58.14 | woglinde | qwerty *g* |
| 16:58.15 | lardman | not quite the same ring to it |
| 16:58.34 | qwerty12_N810 | But it's more truthful ;P |
| 16:58.34 | lardman | perhaps more PC - lardperson |
| 16:58.34 | lcuk | lardman, no, you got yourself married |
| 16:58.38 | lcuk | you are an old fart now :D |
| 16:58.47 | lardman | ah, 'tis true, no longer one of the lads :( |
| 16:58.58 | lcuk | lol qwerty12_N810 |
| 16:59.11 | lardman | and I'm sitting listening to test match special too, no pipe or slippers yet mind you |
| 16:59.26 | lcuk | khertan_n810, looks like it was replaced for sugar (the normal ui for olpc i believe |
| 16:59.40 | lcuk | qwerty has a pipe he would let you use |
| 16:59.49 | qwerty12_N810 | s/pipe/bong/ |
| 17:00.00 | lcuk | :D i tweeted from liqbase last night |
| 17:01.09 | lcuk | qwerty, whats the difference between a pipe and a bong |
| 17:01.13 | lcuk | i thought they were all the same thing |
| 17:01.16 | lardman | ah don't worry, I have some wine on the go and am DSP hacking, so almost like crack |
| 17:01.28 | lcuk | :D ballmer peak |
| 17:01.49 | lcuk | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 17:02.07 | lcuk | i have a fridge full of bud |
| 17:02.43 | lardman | so true :) |
| 17:03.01 | lardman | not sure I'd go for Bud though, think I'd prefer to be at work than drink that stuff |
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| 17:04.33 | lcuk | lardman, you would prefer to be at work anyway |
| 17:04.42 | lcuk | you get to play the same games all day lol |
| 17:04.53 | lcuk | and probably have a faster net connection |
| 17:05.03 | lardman | nah, quieter at home now I have a shared office |
| 17:05.16 | lcuk | ooh, what happened then |
| 17:05.22 | lcuk | i didnt know you had been downsized |
| 17:05.27 | lardman | plus I have every bugger under the sun asking me questions at work |
| 17:05.35 | lcuk | i know how that feels |
| 17:05.49 | lardman | nah not downsized, dept was moved a few years back and out whole group was moved into one office |
| 17:06.14 | lcuk | i dont mind a shared office as long as i dont hear about WOW every 5 mins |
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| 17:06.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | GAN800, hmm? |
| 17:07.51 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: if it ever comes back up, tell them that www.wowomg.com is an awesome resource |
| 17:08.26 | lcuk | it does every day |
| 17:08.50 | lcuk | i hear so much about mana and crit ratings and all that |
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| 17:20.27 | RST38h | back |
| 17:20.51 | RST38h | so, anything new? a late evening n900 release? |
| 17:21.10 | Jaffa | RST38h: https://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorm_on_future_maemo_devices/ |
| 17:21.51 | Stskeeps | -s |
| 17:22.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: http://maemo.org/community/council/brainstorm_on_future_maemo_devices/ (thanks Stskeeps) |
| 17:24.09 | RST38h | yea, seen that |
| 17:24.43 | RST38h | unfortunately, using the phone right now, cant look at it |
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| 17:47.05 | Khertan_n810 | Hello Again ! |
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| 17:47.41 | Khertan_n810 | someone with a maemo sdk can compile for me and upload to extras devel this phython binding ? ( http://live.gnome.org/PyGoocanvas) |
| 17:48.34 | woglinde | cant you compile it yourself? |
| 17:48.48 | Khertan_n810 | on the device nope |
| 17:50.00 | Khertan_n810 | and the home desktop pc is still displaying : Hardware Failure |
| 17:51.36 | Khertan_n810 | ps i m in train connection could be reset by peer |
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| 17:53.20 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, if you are reset by peer, hit him |
| 17:53.48 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:54.06 | woglinde | khertan hm |
| 17:55.30 | Khertan_n810 | yerga has done a great job on MaemoWordPy |
| 17:56.08 | Khertan_n810 | the ui is really nice |
| 17:56.08 | Khertan_n810 | on Maemo |
| 17:56.20 | lcuk | yeah its sweet |
| 17:56.27 | lcuk | how you gettin on with mcal and stuff? |
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| 18:58.35 | Khertan_n810 | Hello Again (copyright Apple Computer Inc 1984) |
| 18:59.41 | Khertan_n810 | !ping |
| 19:00.00 | slonopotamus | pong |
| 19:02.01 | lcuk | whoa ! Khertan_n810 you got upgraded |
| 19:02.13 | Khertan_n810 | ? |
| 19:02.22 | lcuk | what happened to the Apple I you used to have |
| 19:02.29 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 19:03.05 | Khertan_n810 | Hello Again was the slogan of the Macintosh Plus _) |
| 19:03.07 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 19:03.49 | lcuk | :D |
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| 19:09.22 | Khertan_n810 | ... [extras-builds] [fremantle]: libquicktime 1.1.0+debian-1build1maemo1 FAILED Maemo ? |
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| 19:30.09 | woglinde | re |
| 19:35.58 | sp3000 | hmm, I was going to complain about rsync in diablo extras I think |
| 19:36.23 | sp3000 | it gave me an update depending on extras-devel :| |
| 19:39.35 | sp3000 | some magic should probably check for that sort of thing |
| 19:40.05 | qwerty12_N810 | I believe the new packages for Fremantle is meant to do just that |
| 19:40.17 | qwerty12_N810 | s/packages/packages interface/ |
| 19:40.46 | sp3000 | ah |
| 20:14.24 | k-s | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/98ki1/memphis_efl_based_incar_entertainment_system/ |
| 20:14.27 | k-s | please vote, comment :-) |
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| 20:42.57 | esaym153 | does pidgin work with the cam on the 810? or does any IM software work with the cam? |
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| 20:44.00 | `0660_ | i don't think so |
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| 20:44.30 | esaym153 | then what do I do with the cam? lol |
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| 20:45.53 | `0660_ | you can use it as a low resolution mirror :) |
| 20:46.03 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 20:46.14 | esaym153 | classic |
| 20:47.08 | AStorm | well, pidgin could work with the cam |
| 20:47.22 | AStorm | the cam is available via v4l... or is it? |
| 20:47.53 | esaym153 | I don't know, I haven't tried anything with it |
| 20:48.08 | esaym153 | I think there is /dev/video |
| 20:51.38 | lcuk | gtalk thingy uses the cam |
| 20:51.40 | lcuk | and liqbase does |
| 20:53.00 | VDVsx | gizmo also can use it, afaik |
| 20:53.10 | lcuk | hiya vdv |
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| 21:23.44 | lardman | hmm, too much tapas |
| 21:23.54 | lardman | is feeling even more lardy |
| 21:23.59 | woglinde | lalalalaaaa |
| 21:24.09 | woglinde | I need some bacon |
| 21:24.23 | woglinde | hot and spicy now |
| 21:24.27 | lardman | hmm, had king prawns wrapped in bacon, quite nice |
| 21:24.32 | lardman | :) |
| 21:25.13 | lcuk | offers mr kipling lemon slices |
| 21:25.33 | lardman | nope, more wine should do the trick I hope |
| 21:25.38 | lardman | but thanks :) |
| 21:25.46 | lcuk | you allowed to open it tonight? |
| 21:26.23 | lardman | already done |
| 21:26.31 | lcuk | woglinde, hot n spicy bacon o_O |
| 21:26.45 | lardman | I just thought I'd get in trouble yesterday as Holly had already gone to bed |
| 21:26.50 | lcuk | raises a glass |
| 21:26.55 | lardman | cheers! |
| 21:27.19 | lcuk | why? would she shout cos the wine would be flat when she poured it on her cornflakes? |
| 21:27.20 | woglinde | hm its to warm for just one beer |
| 21:27.25 | woglinde | now I am drunken |
| 21:27.26 | lcuk | i have many |
| 21:27.32 | lcuk | whole box in fridge for once |
| 21:34.17 | GAN800 | Half of Europe seems to be in the store today. |
| 21:34.34 | RST38h | it is kinda late for them too |
| 21:37.45 | lcuk | did they swim? |
| 21:38.00 | javispedro | finally finds a really useful gdb feature, only to discover it's not even implemented in the lenny version of gdb: http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/current/onlinedocs/gdb_7.html :( |
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| 21:38.22 | RST38h | javis: "bt"? |
| 21:39.06 | javispedro | useless when combined with gdb's inabilty to bt when SIGILL |
| 21:39.21 | RST38h | heh |
| 21:39.40 | RST38h | how do you hit a sigill? |
| 21:39.43 | javispedro | some random code branched to some random location |
| 21:39.49 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 21:39.55 | javispedro | so as soon as it reaches the random location, it SIGILLs |
| 21:39.57 | javispedro | but of course |
| 21:40.09 | javispedro | there is no way for me to discover which instruction branched there |
| 21:40.21 | RST38h | well, this should not destruct the stack |
| 21:40.35 | RST38h | so you should still know what function called the function that branched |
| 21:40.49 | javispedro | a, manually locking at it! |
| 21:40.51 | rkirti | waits eagerly for something like JIVE to be extended to other langauges |
| 21:40.51 | javispedro | genius!!! |
| 21:41.26 | GAN800 | mutters irritated things about the entitled central European tourists we get here. |
| 21:41.27 | woglinde | *g* |
| 21:41.28 | woglinde | http://free-electrons.com/pub/video/2009/elc/elc2009-williams-linux-on-fpga.ogv |
| 21:42.32 | javispedro | *manually looking at it |
| 21:43.11 | RST38h | javis: actually, gdb should do this for you as well, everything but the last call |
| 21:43.47 | javispedro | RST38h, it does not. somehow it gets confused and says empty stack. I google and there seems to be a few cases of this |
| 21:44.00 | RST38h | stupid stupid gdb |
| 21:44.08 | woglinde | patch it |
| 21:44.19 | javispedro | ("SIGILL gdb arm backtrace") |
| 21:45.09 | RST38h | looks in awe at the VAX RET instruction |
| 21:46.45 | RST38h | restore FP,AP,PC, then optionally restore other 12 registers (there is a control word on stack that says which ones) then optionally restore SP, then update flags (but not ALL flags, just SOME) and finally jump to PC! |
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| 21:47.19 | RST38h | THAT is a real architecture, not your puny mov pc,lr! |
| 21:47.27 | woglinde | rst *g* |
| 21:47.33 | javispedro | ARM has nearly 90% of that: LDMIA ! ^ ;) |
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| 21:52.05 | Jaffa | Rover's got FCC docs submitted: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/nokia-device-passes-fcc-for-t-mobile-usa-looks-an-awful-lot-lik/ |
| 21:52.16 | RST38h | Jaffa: Ahhhaaaa!!!! |
| 21:52.22 | javispedro | wow |
| 21:52.39 | javispedro | RX-51 indeed |
| 21:53.02 | RST38h | lick the screen, quickly |
| 21:53.15 | GAN800 | Somebody ID the buttons and ports. |
| 21:53.37 | Jaffa | Engadget playing it dumb, or rather not doing any journalism to verify RX-51 is a known ID |
| 21:53.40 | javispedro | mirror the whole fcc site before it's slashdotted :) |
| 21:53.46 | javispedro | engadget IS dumb |
| 21:54.03 | RST38h | well it has got something like a lock switch on the bottom |
| 21:54.03 | javispedro | when the rover mockup appeared, they did not know what the "light sensor hole" was for |
| 21:54.27 | RST38h | power button at the same spot as in N810 |
| 21:55.01 | RST38h | two more (possibly three) buttons on the top, look very much like FullScreen toggle and +- |
| 21:55.34 | RST38h | Folks, is it a microphone at the upper right corner or am I seeing things? |
| 21:56.21 | GAN800 | No kickstand. . . . |
| 21:56.22 | GAN800 | I see speakers. |
| 21:56.32 | RST38h | ah forget the kickstand...where are the speakers? |
| 21:56.45 | GAN800 | RST38h, bet it's a camera button and not fullscreen. |
| 21:57.05 | GAN800 | The bumpy looking matched squares towards the left. |
| 21:57.27 | javispedro | the stylus sylo seems to have been moved to the bottom |
| 21:57.39 | RST38h | eGPRS850, WCDMA 1700/1200, WiFi |
| 21:57.46 | GAN800 | When's the confidentiality expire? |
| 21:57.49 | RST38h | They said no stylus, so is it back in? |
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| 21:58.28 | javispedro | just guessing, what's on the bottom left corner? |
| 21:58.48 | GAN800 | BL-5J |
| 21:58.52 | RST38h | And now, gentlement... |
| 21:58.55 | RST38h | This device has Voice-over-IP/Dual Transfer Mode capability for use at the ear. Therefore, SAR |
| 21:58.55 | RST38h | for multi slot GPRS mode was evaluated against the head profile of the phantom. Dual Transfer |
| 21:58.55 | RST38h | Mode is a feature that utilises the multi-slot GPRS capability in this device; it allows |
| 21:58.55 | RST38h | simultaneous transmission of voice and data during the same call, using the same transmitter |
| 21:58.56 | VDVsx | so has phone capabilities :) |
| 21:58.56 | RST38h | and antenna. |
| 21:58.59 | GAN800 | Is that the 5800's batt? |
| 21:59.00 | RST38h | Now you have it |
| 21:59.11 | RST38h | You are supposed to hold the sucker to your ear |
| 21:59.24 | RST38h | So, no headset-only operation |
| 21:59.27 | GAN800 | AC-10E charger |
| 21:59.40 | GAN800 | WH-205 headset. |
| 21:59.56 | Jaffa | RST38h: They never said no stylys definitely |
| 22:00.14 | GAN800 | Fuck |
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| 22:00.30 | GAN800 | Little pissant 1320mAh battery |
| 22:00.33 | GAN800 | Idiots. |
| 22:01.01 | RST38h | Won't a higher capacity one fit? I mean, all Nokia batteries look the same to me... |
| 22:01.28 | javispedro | lol, more hardware but less battery? |
| 22:01.30 | GAN800 | No |
| 22:01.37 | RST38h | Confidential for 90 days |
| 22:01.40 | GAN800 | BP-4L has different pins. |
| 22:01.55 | RST38h | Whoever hoped for 2 weeks, can exhale now. |
| 22:02.06 | GAN800 | They better not ship in Nov. |
| 22:02.16 | javispedro | T:\Projects\RX-51\TestPlan_RS\RS_testplan_RX-51.xls lol |
| 22:02.18 | RST38h | naaah, it is just a standard time period |
| 22:02.26 | RST38h | does not indicate shipment date |
| 22:02.55 | RST38h | javis: Any other stuff in those files? A few hidden binary blobs with images? =) |
| 22:03.10 | javispedro | not al all, just found that path is actually visible data :P |
| 22:03.15 | javispedro | page 2 |
| 22:03.21 | Jaffa | FM TX |
| 22:03.43 | RST38h | yea, knew that one already |
| 22:03.46 | Jaffa | Any mention of GPS? Was mentioned in N810s FCC docs IIRC |
| 22:03.49 | RST38h | I hope tv out is there too |
| 22:04.04 | RST38h | I do not see any mention of gps in the report |
| 22:04.13 | RST38h | but the report only seems to deal with transmitting equipment |
| 22:04.22 | lcuk | is one of the pdfs broken |
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| 22:04.39 | lcuk | id label/location info |
| 22:04.51 | VDVsx | camera cover -> Camera Slide closed |
| 22:04.52 | RST38h | yea, GAN is absolutely right, it has got speaker grills on top/bottom sides |
| 22:05.04 | Jaffa | RST38h: Yeah, which is why I was surprised to see it on the N810 docs |
| 22:05.15 | Jaffa | Which PDF has the layouts? |
| 22:05.33 | javispedro | there's only one layout, the one engadget shown |
| 22:05.48 | RST38h | Jaffa: Sticker placement |
| 22:05.52 | Jaffa | Ah |
| 22:06.00 | RST38h | or whatever it is called...FCC ID label |
| 22:07.47 | javispedro | well, up so far, only the kickstand absence worries me |
| 22:07.50 | lcuk | o_O |
| 22:08.00 | lcuk | what is phantom head |
| 22:08.17 | Jaffa | No kickstands a kicker. Maybe it slides the screen like an N97? |
| 22:08.22 | GAN800 | Stylus is on the bottom right. |
| 22:08.29 | Jaffa | lcuk: Simulation of human head |
| 22:08.30 | GAN800 | Jaffa, let's hope. |
| 22:08.49 | GAN800 | removing the kickstand would truly be the dumbest thing they've ever done. |
| 22:08.52 | lcuk | Measurements were made in cheek and tilt positions on both the left hand and right hand |
| 22:08.52 | lcuk | sides of the phantom. o_O you are right |
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| 22:09.02 | GAN800 | and they've done some idiotic goddamn shit. |
| 22:09.11 | javispedro | GAN800, ... the dumbest thing they've ever done... for now. ;) |
| 22:09.36 | GAN800 | javispedro, Nokia is a company that excells at dashing my optimism. |
| 22:09.53 | GAN800 | Thanlfully I don't have any left. |
| 22:10.00 | GAN800 | s/anl/ank/ |
| 22:10.33 | javispedro | On the other side. If i were to choose between horrid N810-like GPS and kickstand, I would still choose horrid GPS. |
| 22:11.48 | RST38h | GAN: You seriously can't think of dumber things than removing a kickstand? =) |
| 22:12.00 | RST38h | I mean, possibilities boggle the mind... |
| 22:12.01 | GAN800 | Without kickstand a large number of my use cases just go right out the window. |
| 22:12.11 | javispedro | RST38h, I once said in the forums it was the N810 feature that most impressed. I still find it true. |
| 22:12.20 | GAN800 | Clearly Nokia listens and cares what their customers think, though. |
| 22:12.21 | javispedro | *most impressed me, of course. |
| 22:12.22 | RST38h | I am sure you can make one, quickly |
| 22:12.47 | RST38h | like the one 5800 comes with, you can actually use that one |
| 22:13.13 | GAN800 | The 5800 comes with a 770 stand. |
| 22:13.31 | RST38h | has got his 810 in a case, so no kickstand, no removing SD card, and no USB |
| 22:13.57 | RST38h | But it feels just like a little paperback when using FBReader rotated by 270o |
| 22:14.03 | lcuk | leather carry round? |
| 22:14.32 | javispedro | the easter egg for the rover: kickstand, but you have to unsolder it first :P |
| 22:14.38 | RST38h | yes, the one from Boxwave |
| 22:14.43 | lcuk | cool |
| 22:15.30 | RST38h | javis: Or, what we think is a stylus, is actually a collapsible kickstand |
| 22:15.57 | RST38h | lcuk: the coolest thing is that keyboard still works under a layer of soft plastic :) |
| 22:16.07 | javispedro | it looks "an awful lok like a stylus", in Engadget words :P |
| 22:16.18 | javispedro | s/lok/lot/ |
| 22:17.34 | javispedro | oh well, not that much new information anyway |
| 22:17.58 | lardman | tries to decide between DSP hacking and watching the cricket highlights |
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| 22:18.12 | woglinde | dsp |
| 22:18.13 | javispedro | grabs popcorn and browses to tmo |
| 22:18.31 | woglinde | lardman what you are doing with dsp? |
| 22:18.32 | lardman | woglinde: hmm, we'll see |
| 22:18.47 | lardman | FFT analysis of microphone input |
| 22:18.53 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:18.53 | lcuk | lol woglinde if he has asked the question it means cricket has already won |
| 22:18.58 | lardman | just as a little project |
| 22:19.12 | lardman | lcuk: so true |
| 22:19.15 | RST38h | javis: well we now know for sure it is a real phone |
| 22:19.21 | lardman | but I will come back afterwards :) |
| 22:19.23 | RST38h | javis: not a sidekick-like gadget |
| 22:19.36 | lcuk | lardman, no1 has done anything fun with the mic before |
| 22:19.50 | lcuk | its gonna have practical benefits here for many things i think |
| 22:20.00 | lcuk | (around here i mean) |
| 22:20.37 | RST38h | lardman: I can drop a couple fun projects related to that |
| 22:20.47 | RST38h | lardman: HAM radio related |
| 22:21.02 | lcuk | :D irc 0.1 |
| 22:21.13 | lardman | someone was asking for a graphical equaliser sort of animation a while back and I said no problem, but didn't have time to do it |
| 22:21.17 | javispedro | multiplayer notepad 0.01 |
| 22:21.32 | lardman | RST38h: sure thing, write up what you;re after |
| 22:21.44 | lardman | and send me a link and we can sort something ouyt |
| 22:21.55 | RST38h | lardman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Communications_Addressing_and_Reporting_System |
| 22:22.02 | lardman | hmm, wine is stopping typing working too well ;) |
| 22:22.20 | RST38h | lardman: There is a program (WACARS) that will decode ACARS messages from an audio input connected to a radio scanner |
| 22:22.23 | lcuk | RST38h, i read that as finishing aircraft comms addressing and rebooting system |
| 22:22.32 | lcuk | i thought "why would you reboot a plane in the air" |
| 22:22.37 | RST38h | lardman: It is pretty neat, will even let you map flight locations |
| 22:22.38 | lardman | RST38h: sounds interesting |
| 22:22.50 | javispedro | "why would you finish an aircraft" sounds like an interesting question too :D |
| 22:23.01 | lardman | will presumably let me know when the next Airbus is falling out of the sky..? ;)_ |
| 22:23.02 | lcuk | lol |
| 22:23.08 | lcuk | wow RST38h thats cool |
| 22:23.18 | RST38h | lardman: There is a few other digital comm protocols that you can try decoding, although most people agree that these will require a special piece of hardware |
| 22:23.29 | RST38h | lardman: Very simple piece, but still |
| 22:23.55 | lcuk | goes back to particles |
| 22:23.56 | RST38h | lardman: More or less. ACARS is basically telemetry, so you will know in advance, yes |
| 22:24.50 | javispedro | heh |
| 22:24.53 | javispedro | tmo is right |
| 22:24.59 | _dl9pf_ | RST38h: there's acarsd |
| 22:25.04 | javispedro | I mean http://www.cellpassion.com/news/2009/05/25/nokia-rover-is-an-n97-killer-internet-tablet.aspx |
| 22:25.13 | javispedro | layouts seem to match |
| 22:25.20 | RST38h | d19pf: Yes, but the only tool that I found complete enough was WACARS |
| 22:26.03 | javispedro | hope that seriously does not meen 3-row keyboard |
| 22:26.50 | RST38h | I am afraid it does |
| 22:27.14 | lardman | RST38h: so what is the encoding then? The page descibed what it does, but not how it's encoded |
| 22:28.13 | RST38h | lardman: google for ACARS and you should find a lot of links |
| 22:28.21 | RST38h | including acarsd d19pf mentioned |
| 22:28.43 | RST38h | ok, sleep time. |
| 22:28.47 | RST38h | it is 2:28. |
| 22:29.34 | javispedro | so here we have nokia's dumbest action .. for now... 3-row keyboard :P |
| 22:29.48 | javispedro | oh, well. |
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| 22:30.38 | Mek | found it quite usable... |
| 22:30.41 | lardman | RST38h: if you can put together a doc describing exactly what it is (the encoding) I'd be happy to try to write some code for you |
| 22:31.02 | lardman | rather than me trawling the interweb looking for stuff I don't know much about |
| 22:32.48 | lardman | hmm, interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/07/nokia-device-passes-fcc-for-t-mobile-usa-looks-an-awful-lot-lik/ |
| 22:33.11 | lardman | anyone got a link to the FCC docs? |
| 22:34.00 | javispedro | lardman, click on the layout picture and it'll take you to the docs |
| 22:34.13 | JoeBrain | Yearr when you click on "Read More" also |
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| 22:35.00 | lardman | ah, too easy :). Thanks |
| 22:35.32 | VDVsx | or read the back log :P |
| 22:35.54 | VDVsx | summarized info ;) |
| 22:38.37 | lardman | ok, so I'm just a little slow; it's Friday evening after all! :) |
| 22:39.06 | javispedro | don't worry, but be ready for nearly a thousand topics talking about the same thing in tmo ;) |
| 22:39.28 | lardman | I didn't see much in there to talk about tbh |
| 22:39.31 | lardman | :) |
| 22:39.37 | javispedro | too early yet |
| 22:39.50 | lardman | nothing new anyway, will have to wait for the confidentiality period to elaspe |
| 22:39.56 | lardman | elapse even |
| 22:40.06 | VDVsx | "where is the dpad ?" "where is the stylus and kickstand ?" :P |
| 22:40.15 | javispedro | "what about the 3-row keyboard?" |
| 22:40.26 | javispedro | "and the gps?" |
| 22:40.29 | VDVsx | lol |
| 22:40.44 | lardman | was any of that in there?! |
| 22:40.47 | lardman | :) |
| 22:41.32 | lardman | is shocked to see the council has replied to his email about potholes |
| 22:42.28 | qwerty12_N810 | "We got your e-mail. We won't be doing nothin' about it. KTHXBYE" |
| 22:42.35 | VDVsx | no new thread yet ? |
| 22:42.53 | VDVsx | ah, there's one, alright :P |
| 22:43.38 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: close, something like "thanks for the email, it's been logged, but it might take up to a month for anyone to look at the road; bye!" |
| 22:43.57 | qwerty12_N810 | heh |
| 22:44.45 | javispedro | so now Transportation is too under the Maemo(not.org) Council? :D |
| 22:45.08 | lardman | no, I just worry about bending my wheels driving to work |
| 22:45.14 | lardman | I should probably walk |
| 22:45.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Get hydraulics and bounce over the holes |
| 22:45.52 | lardman | tank? :))) |
| 22:46.03 | lardman | that'll learn 'em |
| 22:46.36 | javispedro | is still battling with gdb |
| 22:46.51 | javispedro | does anyone know for a way to just list the damn 10 $pc values of execution |
| 22:46.58 | javispedro | previous to the crash |
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| 22:47.36 | lardman | no idea, gdb isn't very well supported on ARM so I don't tend to bother |
| 22:47.43 | javispedro | cause the stack is pretty funny: 0x202020200x202020200x202020200x2e202020 |
| 22:48.07 | lardman | yeah, it doesn't deal very well with some of the GCC optimisations iirc |
| 22:48.10 | lardman | gets confused |
| 22:48.23 | javispedro | i'm at -O0 now |
| 22:49.11 | javispedro | but yeah, it sucks. |
| 22:49.19 | javispedro | valgrind not being in arm also adds to the injury |
| 22:49.45 | lardman | would be a useful GSoC project now I think of it, improving support, etc. |
| 22:49.55 | lardman | printf all the way ;) |
| 22:50.23 | javispedro | printf is what I normally use, but when the codebase is 3MiB and I have basically _no idea_ what's going on, it sucks |
| 22:50.50 | lardman | yeah tell me about it, that's DSP debugging for you using DSP Gateway ;) |
| 22:50.56 | lcuk | :O |
| 22:51.13 | javispedro | lol true :) |
| 22:51.15 | lardman | none of the fancy hooks the Ti gateway offers :) |
| 22:51.18 | javispedro | good luck |
| 22:51.39 | lardman | I live in hope that the omap3 debugging tools will be friendlier than printf |
| 22:51.58 | lardman | Anyway, time to watch the cricket |
| 22:51.59 | lcuk | holy crap |
| 22:52.08 | lardman | night all, see you on the morrow :) |
| 22:52.12 | javispedro | gnite |
| 22:52.26 | lcuk | lardman, simple particle field. draw a sketch and have each particle adjust its position based on how far from points along the stroke it is |
| 22:52.35 | lcuk | make a circle and they all floaw around it |
| 22:52.39 | javispedro | too late :) |
| 22:52.46 | lcuk | bollocks! |
| 22:52.52 | lcuk | this is fuckin wicked |
| 22:53.51 | lcuk | its completely freeform affine transformations |
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| 23:05.32 | lcuk | it acts like a lorenz attractor :) |
| 23:10.10 | javispedro | aha, a total of 971 print statements. gnu sed is truly magic :) |
| 23:11.27 | qwerty12_N810 | Dare you to do the same by hand next time :P |
| 23:12.14 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch, brontide aint comin' back. |
| 23:16.46 | javispedro | and beat me senseless if the fr*ing bug was "push {r0, lr}" but "pop {lr}" only |
| 23:17.42 | javispedro | it was. |
| 23:17.43 | javispedro | :( |
| 23:22.14 | woglinde | javis hm? |
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| 23:27.42 | qwerty12_N810 | Heh, seeing "#ifdef __HAIKU__" in Transmission source code brought back memories of BeOS |
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| 23:42.36 | nwidger | anyone get google street working in maemo mapper? |
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