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| 00:09.39 | javispedro | timeless, just found this in hildonfm: |
| 00:09.43 | javispedro | This function checks if the given URI already exists in the model. if not, then a copy of it is returned unmodified. If the URI already exists then a number is added in a form file://file(2).html. |
| 00:10.10 | timeless_mbp | ok.. |
| 00:10.24 | javispedro | hildon_file_system_model_autoname_uri |
| 00:10.57 | timeless_mbp | was that in reference to my question about copying? |
| 00:11.09 | javispedro | yep |
| 00:11.27 | timeless_mbp | you'll have to wait for fremantle's file manager to understand my question |
| 00:11.31 | timeless_mbp | unless the string is public |
| 00:11.34 | timeless_mbp | in which case.. hrm |
| 00:12.14 | javispedro | dunno what you mean with "the string", but I found that in diablo hildon-fm docs |
| 00:12.59 | timeless_mbp | it's public! |
| 00:13.03 | timeless_mbp | msgid "sfil_ib_file_already_saved" |
| 00:13.03 | timeless_mbp | msgstr "File already saved in this location" |
| 00:13.17 | timeless_mbp | that's from the maemo 5 public strings |
| 00:13.33 | timeless_mbp | imagine using file manager and trying to copy a file and selecting the same destination folder as the source folder |
| 00:13.55 | timeless_mbp | well, if it's public, i wonder if i can file a bug about it :) |
| 00:15.04 | javispedro | well, "the string" already appears to be on bugs.maemo.org according to google, so maybe you're late ;) |
| 00:15.29 | javispedro | in a bug.. filed by you btw |
| 00:15.37 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 00:15.44 | javispedro | #4052 |
| 00:16.02 | timeless_mbp | yeah, gmail shows me having filed it |
| 00:17.20 | timeless_mbp | hrm, ok, so hrm |
| 00:17.32 | timeless_mbp | how do i prove that file manager is dumb enough to trigger this code path? |
| 00:18.09 | timeless_mbp | i don't suppose you have sources for hildon-fm from fremantle <http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/libh/libhildonfm/> |
| 00:18.56 | javispedro | nope, my development model uses printfs and as such I need my n810 |
| 00:20.18 | javispedro | up so far all I believe I've found is that ossofilemanager is a light wrapper over hildon-fm widgets, and in fact it seems my problem is on HildonFileSystemModel |
| 00:21.06 | timeless_mbp | not surprising |
| 00:22.07 | timeless_mbp | ok, the string doesn't seem to be present in that source ball |
| 00:22.11 | timeless_mbp | which means i can't prove we're using it |
| 00:22.15 | timeless_mbp | what a shame |
| 00:24.05 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 00:24.54 | timeless_mbp | so, the current string makes no sense |
| 00:24.59 | timeless_mbp | the Mer string just says "Saved" |
| 00:25.05 | timeless_mbp | i.e. it lies |
| 00:25.12 | timeless_mbp | but, if you try to copy A from B to B |
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| 00:25.25 | Texrat | :p |
| 00:25.27 | timeless_mbp | one could say that you've managed to save A in B, because, A is in B when you're done :) |
| 00:25.56 | Texrat | hey timeless |
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| 00:25.59 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 00:26.25 | javispedro | ah, the philosophical question of personal identity, file edition :P |
| 00:26.38 | Texrat | slaps milhouse around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:27.12 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: the strings we have internally are amazing |
| 00:27.19 | timeless_mbp | i can't wait to rewrite them |
| 00:30.29 | javispedro | calls it a day |
| 00:35.40 | javispedro | gnite all |
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| 00:47.03 | timeless_mbp | ooh, 3 bug jars? |
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| 02:24.30 | Texrat | slaps r2d2rogers around a bit with a large trout |
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| 03:11.32 | xnt14_ | wtf |
| 03:11.34 | xnt14_ | :P |
| 03:11.37 | b-man16 | hates his irc client XP |
| 03:11.47 | xnt14_ | b-man, your site is up btw ;) |
| 03:11.55 | xnt14_ | http://b-man.xceleo.org |
| 03:11.57 | b-man16 | sweet :) |
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| 03:12.08 | xnt14_ | look at the gallery |
| 03:12.14 | xnt14_ | ;) |
| 03:12.40 | b-man16 | really nice :D |
| 03:13.12 | GeneralAntilles | Howdy, Texrat. |
| 03:13.22 | GeneralAntilles | Welcome to the Cool Cat's Club. ;) |
| 03:13.50 | b-man16 | is still waiting for his tablet to arrive xP |
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| 03:15.45 | xnt14_ | :P |
| 03:29.53 | xnt14_ | needs to go to sleep X( |
| 03:30.09 | xnt14_ | tell b-man I had to go to sleep X( |
| 03:30.10 | xnt14_ | :P |
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| 03:32.32 | FireFox16 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 03:32.35 | infobot | xnt14 <n=xnt@pool-96-232-136-95.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 23h 19m 50s ago, saying: 'im back'. |
| 03:32.50 | FireFox16 | :P |
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| 03:52.26 | chx | so ... if i have a regular 3.5" headphone can i just plug it in my N810 and it should work? |
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| 04:07.16 | Macer | wow |
| 04:07.31 | Macer | this n810 kind of sucks |
| 04:07.43 | Macer | the keypad is horrible |
| 04:08.26 | Macer | lol |
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| 04:15.00 | divide_by_zero | ...What PC programs work well with video calls othen than the official Gizmo one? |
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| 04:22.12 | Macer | divide.. nothing |
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| 04:52.50 | esaym153 | Macer: I think the keyboard is alright |
| 04:54.48 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/06/mips_android_port_open_sourced/ |
| 04:55.01 | RST38h | Oh god, MIPS Tech is still alive.... |
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| 05:15.58 | RST38h | http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/10237_Presenting_the_Cityman_450_ant.php |
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| 05:16.05 | RST38h | Please tell me it is a joke |
| 05:17.15 | Stskeeps | N900? :P |
| 05:17.25 | RST38h | worse |
| 05:17.37 | doc|home | RST38h: it must be, because I'd personally be tempted to take your fake-ancient phone off you and beat you to death with it... |
| 05:18.34 | Macer | installing carman now |
| 05:18.36 | Macer | heh |
| 05:19.46 | RST38h | either it is a joke (unlikely given the pictures) or someone at Nokia is feasting on toadstools. |
| 05:36.11 | divide_by_zero | I would bet it[ s some king of gift celebrating nokias evolution, to be given at company parties, etc... |
| 05:42.12 | Luke-Jr | ROFL |
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| 08:31.36 | timeless_mbp | looks around |
| 08:31.54 | timeless_mbp | looks for niels |
| 08:35.22 | andre__ | he's here... |
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| 08:45.24 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Just hiding.. |
| 08:45.45 | timeless_mbp | andre__: for kicks, try copying a file to its current location in file manager |
| 08:46.08 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: it'd help if you changed your real name to include (X-Fade) in bugzilla :) |
| 08:46.37 | X-Fade | Nah, that is the other me ;) |
| 08:47.00 | timeless_mbp | it makes it harder for me to hunt you |
| 08:47.14 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Good. |
| 08:47.30 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so.... |
| 08:47.45 | timeless_mbp | get a gecko browser |
| 08:47.47 | timeless_mbp | load about:config |
| 08:48.09 | timeless_mbp | set the intl.accept_languages preference to "en-US,en;q=0.9,ja;q=0.8,fr;q=0.7,de;q=0.6,es;q=0.5,it;q=0.4,pt;q=0.3,pt-PT;q=0.2,nl;q=0.1" |
| 08:48.20 | timeless_mbp | then flush all your caches and try to load garage.maemo.org |
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| 08:51.43 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Don't see any problem? |
| 08:51.56 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: FF 3.5.2 |
| 08:53.13 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.9,ja;q=0.8,fr;q=0.7,de;q=0.6,es;q=0.5,it;q=0.4,pt;q=0.3,pt-PT;q=0.2,nl;q=0.1 |
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| 09:37.05 | Macer | well |
| 09:37.41 | Macer | guess i need a $3000 upgrade to get my n810 to work with my car |
| 09:38.57 | Macer | why does this n810 nees less responsive with the screen than my n810 used to be |
| 09:39.47 | Stskeeps | n800 you mean |
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| 09:42.32 | RST38h | Touchscreens lose sensitivity with time |
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| 09:44.28 | Macer | Stskeeps: yes |
| 09:44.35 | Macer | n800 |
| 09:44.48 | Stskeeps | Macer: it doesn't scratch as much though |
| 09:45.10 | Macer | RST38h: the n810 is brand new out the factory sealed box |
| 09:45.41 | X-Fade | Macer: Did you remove the protective film? |
| 09:45.55 | Macer | derf: around? |
| 09:45.59 | Macer | X-Fade: yes |
| 09:46.14 | Macer | had to, it had some sticker on it |
| 09:46.21 | X-Fade | Macer: Ok, just checking. A lot of people thing it is a screen protector ;) |
| 09:46.44 | Macer | that peeled off like a car registration sticker |
| 09:46.57 | Macer | where it leftg half behind |
| 09:47.16 | Macer | X-Fade: i would have left it on otherwise |
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| 09:53.44 | RST38h | Macer: then it is weird |
| 09:54.14 | RST38h | Yes, Nokia has those ugly reflective stickers on its n810 films |
| 09:54.45 | RST38h | has absolutely no idea why Nokia just wouldn't ship devices with protective film that does not require immediate removal. Still using original Nokia film on E70 |
| 09:54.57 | Jaffa | Hmm, COGL (Clutter's OpenGL abstraction library) could be handy for dealing with OpenGL/OpenGL-ES differences in SDK vs. device; and deal with the fact that Clutter-based window manager in Fremantle has the graphics context. |
| 09:55.17 | Macer | RST38h: ii know |
| 09:55.32 | Macer | my g1 has had its cover on itg for montths |
| 09:55.37 | florian | good morning |
| 09:55.47 | Macer | since i bought it |
| 09:56.10 | RST38h | I guess it is another instance of not really listening to customers |
| 09:56.41 | Macer | you can buy 3rd party films |
| 09:56.49 | Macer | maybe it is a racket |
| 09:56.55 | RST38h | Yes, but why? Nokia already ships devices with the film attached |
| 09:57.03 | slonopotamus | meh, fremantle isn't out yet, but already obsolete as next maemo version will be qt-based. letz just skip it? :) |
| 09:57.06 | RST38h | And it is a semi-decent film too. |
| 09:57.21 | Macer | it is a great film |
| 09:57.32 | Macer | htc uses the same stuff |
| 09:57.44 | Macer | can still touch screen easily |
| 09:57.47 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus++ |
| 09:57.56 | Macer | and takes a diamond to scratch |
| 09:58.05 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: i still want the hardware though |
| 09:58.15 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Why not skip on the whole platform then? |
| 09:59.08 | slonopotamus | RST38h, don't get your logic |
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| 10:02.32 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Well, when Harmattan arrives it will already by outdated |
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| 10:02.59 | RST38h | slonopotamus: So, what is the purpose of using devices that become outdated before they ship? |
| 10:03.03 | RST38h | ehlo wazd |
| 10:03.35 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: And Gtk+'ll be available for third party apps, exactly as Python is now. |
| 10:05.25 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: hrm... someone else had the same behavior i got... |
| 10:05.26 | slonopotamus | RST38h, knowing that it is already obsolete destroys deside too write apps for it |
| 10:07.10 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 10:07.12 | wazd | hello all |
| 10:08.32 | RST38h | He is basically right |
| 10:09.49 | Stskeeps | why on earth on the day that i want to do something else, i get hit with a shitstorm of weird FUD? :P |
| 10:10.30 | Stskeeps | (someone is claiming to vendors and forums and other places Mer destroys devices) |
| 10:10.51 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:11.06 | timeless_mbp | is this talk.m.o? |
| 10:11.10 | Stskeeps | no, other places |
| 10:11.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: You're not serious? |
| 10:11.19 | timeless_mbp | wants to read |
| 10:11.22 | RST38h | Sts: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. |
| 10:11.28 | timeless_mbp | FUD is good for digesting FOOD, right? |
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| 10:12.00 | RST38h | Sts: But, I mean, once I return from lunch, we can haunt the poor guy to eventual suicide or something |
| 10:12.24 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm really wondering how you can destroy a device that is so low level hackable that you can make it boot your own boot sector and it can run from DC exclusively.. |
| 10:12.31 | Stskeeps | as in, from SW pov |
| 10:13.05 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: is this a nokia device or something else? |
| 10:13.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: something else, afaik mer hasn't ever destroyed any nokia devices |
| 10:13.26 | Stskeeps | nolo's too failsafe for that |
| 10:13.34 | timeless_mbp | cool |
| 10:13.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Add that to the fact that Mer has no reason to touch NOLO |
| 10:13.52 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 10:14.07 | Stskeeps | but when someone is writing warning posts to people, IM'ing sellers of the devices, etc.. |
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| 10:14.19 | Stskeeps | instead of trying to fix the problem, that's just absurd :) |
| 10:14.56 | Stskeeps | or even reporting it |
| 10:16.19 | X-Fade | jeremiah: Ping? |
| 10:16.40 | lcuk | Stskeeps, i think the difference with smartq and nokia devices is people are dualbooting with maemo still (or using the emulator) and from what ive heard of smartq, they are installing mer |
| 10:16.42 | lcuk | wholesale |
| 10:17.05 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 10:17.15 | timeless_mbp | apt-get dist-upgrade isn't working for me |
| 10:17.26 | Stskeeps | in :Devel or in maemo? |
| 10:17.36 | Stskeeps | :Devel is broken to bits at the moment as we're inserting FB2 bits :) |
| 10:18.09 | timeless_mbp | doesn't understand |
| 10:18.29 | Stskeeps | removing libhildonhelp and such causes a interesting amount of problems |
| 10:19.07 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 10:19.35 | timeless_mbp | upgrades from vbox3.0.2 to vbox3.0.4 |
| 10:20.04 | qwerty12_N810 | That shouldn't really be removed IMO. If it's not in Fremantle, I can't see any apps there conflicting with it and keeping it in allows more Diablo apps to run (well, the few that actually used libhildonhelp) |
| 10:21.00 | qwerty12_N810 | OTOH, maintaining it to build against Fremantle components may be a pain in the ass |
| 10:21.27 | Jaffa | X-Fade: is there going to be a cname for packages.maemo.org -> maemo.org/packages/ |
| 10:22.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yes, we did remove it :) |
| 10:22.28 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Might be, but haven't requested it yet. |
| 10:22.30 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: so um... http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/ |
| 10:22.35 | timeless_mbp | could you use letters instead of numbers? |
| 10:22.42 | timeless_mbp | 1 2 3 4 5 6 next » |
| 10:22.44 | timeless_mbp | isn't helpful |
| 10:22.48 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: but yeah, i see your argument |
| 10:23.02 | Stskeeps | we might re-add it eventually. but right now, we need it removed to see where our dependancies to it lay |
| 10:23.20 | timeless_mbp | giving me "A-Ap" "Aq-F" "G-R" "R-S" "T-W" "Y-Z" is better |
| 10:23.37 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp X-Fade: and increase the page size (e.g. double ;-)) |
| 10:23.55 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: It really isn't meant for browsing. And yes, alphabetical index is on my list. |
| 10:24.15 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: also, don't use multiple lines for multiple versions of the same package |
| 10:24.27 | timeless_mbp | stick the older versions into parens w/ commas after the latest version |
| 10:24.42 | timeless_mbp | also, make the columns wider |
| 10:24.51 | timeless_mbp | Gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-dbg |
| 10:24.53 | timeless_mbp | wraps |
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| 10:25.12 | timeless_mbp | Gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse-dbg is worse :) |
| 10:25.21 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I'm happy to take patches :) |
| 10:25.30 | timeless_mbp | i'm happy to give feedback on irc :) |
| 10:25.53 | timeless_mbp | you're using a bunch of divs instead of a table? |
| 10:26.11 | X-Fade | It would be nice if the database could sort by debian version numbers btw ;) |
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| 10:31.40 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: it'd also be nice if the numbers weren't random |
| 10:31.47 | timeless_mbp | showing me 1..6 implies that 6 is the last number |
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| 10:32.01 | timeless_mbp | but when i clicked 5, it turns out there was a 10 too |
| 10:32.13 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: -> upstream qbpager |
| 10:32.19 | timeless_mbp | also, Latest packages should really give dates |
| 10:32.27 | timeless_mbp | not just random 4 digits w/ :'s |
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| 10:32.46 | timeless_mbp | alternatively give me relative time "5 mins ago" "1 hour ago" |
| 10:33.15 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/view/gpxview/ |
| 10:33.31 | timeless_mbp | the releases thing is missing the left border of its box, is that intentional? |
| 10:33.54 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 10:33.59 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras-devel_free_intel/?org_openpsa_qbpager_packages_in_repo_page=5 |
| 10:34.04 | timeless_mbp | that page is unfriendly |
| 10:34.15 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Well, it is default styling for maemo.org |
| 10:34.22 | timeless_mbp | perhaps you wanted an "N" in NOT_FOUND instead of NOT_FOUD ? |
| 10:34.54 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: heh ;) |
| 10:34.59 | timeless_mbp | Notice: Use of undefined constant MIDCOM_NOTFOUD - assumed 'MIDCOM_NOTFOUD' in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/list.php on line 69 |
| 10:35.03 | timeless_mbp | for people too lazy to click the link |
| 10:36.37 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/23093 |
| 10:37.08 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 10:37.53 | timeless_mbp | when does that roll out? |
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| 10:38.13 | timeless_mbp | Notice: Use of undefined constant MIDCOM_NOTFOUND - assumed 'MIDCOM_NOTFOUND' in /mnt/netapp/pear/midcom/lib/org/maemo/packages/handler/repository/list.php on line 69 |
| 10:38.19 | timeless_mbp | it's [a]live! |
| 10:38.38 | timeless_mbp | i don't suppose you could make it *not* be an undefined constant? :) |
| 10:38.48 | X-Fade | lol, fix the fix. |
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| 10:41.43 | timeless_mbp | does http://svn.midgard-project.org/ have an anonymous user? |
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| 10:43.24 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: svn co https://svn.midgard-project.org/midgard/branches/ragnaroek/midcom/ |
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| 10:44.58 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 10:44.59 | talig | Good day everyone :) Anyone up to answer some pesky gtk questions? |
| 10:48.39 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i think you want MIDCOM_ERRNOTFOUND |
| 10:48.52 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: lol, refresh the page already ;) |
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| 10:49.39 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: 7 mins ago: http://trac.midgard-project.org/changeset/23094 |
| 10:49.39 | timeless_mbp | much better |
| 10:50.01 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: there are 4 instances of MIDCOM_ERR_NOTFOUND instead of MIDCOM_ERRNOTFOUND |
| 10:50.06 | timeless_mbp | you should probably fix those 4 instances |
| 10:51.13 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Not in my component, let me check the others. |
| 10:51.26 | timeless_mbp | midcom/net.nemein.organizations/handler/.svn/text-base/view.php |
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| 10:51.38 | timeless_mbp | or rather: midcom/net.nemein.personnel/handler/view.php |
| 10:51.41 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: I see 2 instances yes. |
| 10:51.57 | timeless_mbp | my grep doesn't discern between files and .svn files |
| 10:52.03 | timeless_mbp | so yeah 2, might as well fix them |
| 10:52.13 | X-Fade | yeah. |
| 10:53.42 | X-Fade | Fixed. |
| 10:53.44 | timeless_mbp | http://maemo.org/packages/repository/list/fremantle_extras_non-free_i386/ |
| 10:53.46 | timeless_mbp | is strange |
| 10:54.07 | X-Fade | There aren't any packages. |
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| 10:54.14 | timeless_mbp | yeah, but there's a thing on the right |
| 10:54.24 | timeless_mbp | please don't make me guess that a blank page means there aren't any packages |
| 10:54.38 | timeless_mbp | and please don't show "latest packages" if they aren't related... |
| 10:55.11 | X-Fade | As I said earlier. I've only implemented the basic needed functionality, everything else still needs to be refined. |
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| 11:02.54 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: see also http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=308799 where I start trolling for UI suggestions, so X-Fade can concentrate on features |
| 11:05.03 | X-Fade | Once the complete promotion chain works and is alive, I will improve looks and nice to have features. |
| 11:06.04 | X-Fade | But current interface is in release early, release often spirit. So yeah, rough edges. |
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| 11:08.46 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: some of these edges that i'm highlighting won't be seen often once the system fleshes out |
| 11:08.53 | timeless_mbp | so, the only time to complain and fix is now :) |
| 11:12.39 | talig | Anyone with some gtk/pygtk experience? |
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| 11:15.09 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: The relevance of bugs that won't be seen often is debatable ;) |
| 11:15.36 | X-Fade | Anyway, lunch! |
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| 11:29.42 | lcuk | talig, fire away, if someone sees a question they like, they will answer |
| 11:30.20 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: um, http://maemo.org/profile/view/timeless/ |
| 11:30.31 | timeless_mbp | why does "2" "comments" give me an incredibly long bar? :) |
| 11:31.09 | timeless_mbp | aww sjgadsby has topped me in karma |
| 11:32.20 | RST38h | ah the horror |
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| 12:20.01 | lardman | hi chaps |
| 12:23.05 | RST38h | hello lardmann |
| 12:26.50 | lardman | hi RST38h |
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| 12:35.22 | lardman | anyone know if the n810 has a microphone other than that in the headset? |
| 12:35.38 | X-Fade | lardman: Yes, in the body. |
| 12:35.43 | RST38h | lardman: it does |
| 12:35.51 | RST38h | at least Skype works both ways in it =) |
| 12:35.54 | lardman | hmm, mine seems to be broken then |
| 12:36.01 | lardman | oh well |
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| 12:36.19 | lardman | spent hours last night debugging GStreamer pipeline, then plugged in the headphones on the off chance and it works fine |
| 12:36.26 | X-Fade | lardman: Note that when you use a headphone, it is disabled. |
| 12:36.40 | X-Fade | lardman: no matter if you have a mic on the headphone cable or not. |
| 12:36.41 | lardman | yeah, works through the headphone mic, not in the body |
| 12:36.58 | Mek | X-Fade: not true, I have used skype with headphones but no external mic |
| 12:37.00 | lardman | with that said the speaker is also playing up - works with headphones but not without unless I reboot |
| 12:37.09 | X-Fade | Mek: That doesn't work for me. |
| 12:37.29 | X-Fade | Mek: And I believe me, I tried ;) |
| 12:38.03 | Mek | hmm.. strange... |
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| 12:39.58 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, challenge him to single combat! |
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| 12:42.42 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ping |
| 12:42.52 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, , pong |
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| 12:59.43 | VDVsx | lardman, btw, did you finished the maemo zbar package ? |
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| 13:01.12 | lardman | yes, sorry forgot about that |
| 13:01.19 | lardman | let me upload the files somewhere for you |
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| 13:04.54 | lardman | http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/ |
| 13:04.55 | talig | lcuk: Thanks, I was out for lunch when you answered. I got by in the meantime - thanks. |
| 13:05.15 | lardman | Jaffa: the MUD xml is in there too if you'd like it |
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| 13:05.49 | lardman | VDVsx: just added the binary too |
| 13:06.33 | lardman | hmm, best check that the MUD recipe works, now that I think about it I had to tweak it a but |
| 13:06.35 | lardman | bit |
| 13:07.14 | lardman | VDVsx: I just updated the source packages, so check you've got the latest ones from that dir |
| 13:08.41 | VDVsx | lardman, ok, thanks :) |
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| 13:08.53 | lardman | np |
| 13:09.07 | lardman | am slowly plodding through porting the C interface to Python |
| 13:09.15 | lardman | got a bit sidetracked recently with some other things |
| 13:09.55 | lardman | s/interface/GUI code |
| 13:10.16 | lardman | just to clarify :) |
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| 13:11.16 | GAN8001 | How is it that the only case manufacturer that seems to be able to make something that doesn't look like hell can only do so because they clone Apple designs? |
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| 13:17.19 | Jaffa | lardman: cool |
| 13:17.46 | lardman | Jaffa: perhaps not so cool, I'm not sure if it works without a tweak... |
| 13:18.09 | lardman | but my tweak may just have been to change the cpu flags, was a while back now so can't rememeber |
| 13:19.07 | lardman | I'll have to try building it again and see what happens |
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| 13:21.13 | lardman | oh look at the time, back to work |
| 13:21.14 | lardman | bye! |
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| 13:29.03 | ShadowJK | gan801: antec p18x doesn't llok like hell |
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| 13:29.42 | ShadowJK | then there's that manufacturer with fortress-series of cases that look like something that came out of hell |
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| 13:31.43 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, mmm. . . . Subjective. |
| 13:32.27 | ShadowJK | yeah |
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| 13:34.46 | ShadowJK | now 5 days and counting with n810 as only computer |
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| 13:42.54 | Andy80 | anyone of you uses ESBox? |
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| 13:45.08 | Jaffa | tried it briefly. Then tried v2 as a beta. It didn't work in the version of Eclipse I had, at the time. Started looking at the code. Gave up. |
| 13:45.25 | talig1 | In pygtk: Is the best tabbed container a Notebook or is there something else? |
| 13:45.45 | Jaffa | Andy80: I mean to try it again |
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| 13:46.42 | Andy80 | Jaffa, I'm trying the "bundled" version... the one with all Eclipse... but it doesn't work... I get an error (I've told about it on #esbox but no reply...) |
| 13:47.28 | Jaffa | has his own Eclipse for PyDev, PHP and Java work; so didn't look at the bundled version. |
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| 13:48.28 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 13:48.33 | infobot | b-man16 <n=mckenzba@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10h 35m 53s ago, saying: 'really nice :D'. |
| 13:48.40 | xnt14 | hmm :P |
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| 13:55.21 | zpol | hola |
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| 14:03.59 | RST38h | promptly throws up at the mention of Eclipse |
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| 14:25.31 | mmatth | Andy80, i used esbox for a little bit on fremantle. it worked great and then i switched rootstraps or reinstalled sbox (forgot the exact scenario) and it stoped showing local variables when i was debugging. i could still step, but couldn't view any data |
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| 14:27.14 | Andy80 | mmatth, ah... don't know... I'm getting this error: when I do "Validate Installed Packages" I get this error: Failed to query apt database |
| 14:27.20 | Andy80 | Cause: Failed to launch: Aug 6, 2009 2:37:44 PM: |
| 14:27.29 | Andy80 | .$ apt-cache dumpavail |
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| 14:28.00 | mmatth | i don't recall ever seeing that |
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| 14:43.46 | talig | I need some help with gtk Notebook - that won't show me tabs :( |
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| 14:47.55 | yerga | talig, add yournotebook.set_show_tabs(True) |
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| 14:49.43 | mmatth | there isn't any channel for sb2 is there? |
| 14:49.46 | talig | yerga: Already done. |
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| 14:53.12 | mmatth | if i'm in sb2 devel mode, how can i switch to emulate mode without exiting sb2 and logging back in |
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| 15:04.45 | Andy80 | very OT: does Twitter website work for you at the moment? |
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| 15:26.13 | VDVsx | Andy80, nop |
| 15:26.53 | VDVsx | twitter clash :P |
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| 15:34.55 | lcuk | Andy80, http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/06/1524213 its actually just rubbernecking effect |
| 15:35.03 | lcuk | "is twitter down for you" |
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| 15:35.26 | lcuk | click click multi tab click click click refresh refresh refresh yup, its down |
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| 15:36.59 | VDVsx | bastards!!! |
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| 15:37.55 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 15:38.21 | javispedro | hah. Slashdot's javascript as usual: "No matches were found. You may want to try modifying your search or lowering your color threshold to blue". on frontpage. |
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| 17:05.21 | krfkeith | hi |
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| 17:05.35 | Luddek | hi |
| 17:05.58 | krfkeith | I'm considering buying a n810, but can any tell me from their experience how good the audio quality is through heasphones |
| 17:06.09 | krfkeith | obviously, better headphones would be better |
| 17:06.20 | krfkeith | but, say, in comparison to an iPod |
| 17:06.37 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 17:06.49 | RST38h | krfk: iPod is better. |
| 17:07.13 | RST38h | krfk: n810 is pretty good though, with two main complaints being low volume and slight background noise |
| 17:08.03 | krfkeith | ah |
| 17:08.10 | mgedmin | fixed the low volume problem by buying better earbuds |
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| 17:08.18 | RST38h | ipod can do much less though |
| 17:08.21 | mgedmin | the user interface is somewhat cumbersome |
| 17:08.23 | Firebird | fixed the low volume by using a2dp |
| 17:08.24 | krfkeith | well, speicifically, the iPod touch, I've never used one before |
| 17:08.46 | krfkeith | I would imagine that a dedicated audio player had better quality |
| 17:09.13 | krfkeith | just, FYI, I would never buy a POS like the iPod, just looking for a benchmark I can relate to |
| 17:09.47 | krfkeith | or alternatively, maybe I should wait for that RX51 thing to come out? |
| 17:09.53 | mgedmin | probably would buy an iPod if Apple'd allow him to upload some music from his Linux laptop |
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| 17:10.51 | krfkeith | if I were to buy an iPod like device, I would just get something like an iRiver |
| 17:11.18 | RST38h | rx51 is apparently a phone |
| 17:11.40 | Stskeeps | new info? :P |
| 17:12.15 | RST38h | well, sum of all the pieces |
| 17:12.25 | krfkeith | its a maemo phone though right? |
| 17:12.48 | Stskeeps | RST38h: the main issue is really that we see the platform and glimpses of HW through kernel |
| 17:12.55 | Stskeeps | fremantle as an possible phone platform makes sense |
| 17:13.24 | Macer | well |
| 17:13.29 | RST38h | Sts: I have got a few more pieces to look at through my crystal balls |
| 17:13.29 | Stskeeps | so we have no idea if rx-51 is just the developer unit we saw |
| 17:13.36 | Macer | n810 isnt that bad |
| 17:13.51 | Macer | keypad still sucks compared to the g1 |
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| 17:14.02 | Stskeeps | (which i'm hitting myself in the head over not checking what SD types it had..) |
| 17:14.14 | krfkeith | on another note, is it true there is a PSX emulator for maemo? |
| 17:14.19 | Macer | but yeah, just took some getting used to |
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| 17:35.19 | VDVsx | OMG, when they will stop: http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/08/05/apples-new-low-censoring-a-dictionary/ |
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| 17:36.38 | javispedro | VDVsx, never, cause it seems not to affect apple sales at all |
| 17:37.25 | RST38h | VDVsx: Apple users *love* being screwed |
| 17:37.37 | RST38h | it tickles them in the right places |
| 17:37.43 | javispedro | (and, if one day sales go down, I'm sure the Steveness himself will do a keynote presenting himself as the saviour of the mobile application ecosystem) |
| 17:38.09 | VDVsx | javispedro, true, only make some people really piss off (developers), not good thought |
| 17:38.39 | RST38h | Developers are insignificant, and Apple developers love being screwed too |
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| 17:40.12 | VDVsx | RST38h, heheh |
| 17:40.27 | javispedro | I'm sure there's still someone at Apple marketing that _believes_ they're doing this for the benefit of the consumer |
| 17:41.57 | javispedro | btw if maemo wants to compete with Apple they should rename fremantle to "fremantel" (the newest typo). that word has the apple touch all over it. |
| 17:42.53 | javispedro | i'm sure it'll be a hit :D |
| 17:43.31 | VDVsx | :) |
| 17:43.38 | RST38h | Ah there is always someone at marketing |
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| 17:43.51 | RST38h | And in the legal too |
| 17:44.05 | RST38h | Especially in the legal |
| 17:44.05 | lcuk | why bother trying to emulate them. make your own path and if its worthy enough people will follow |
| 17:45.16 | RST38h | does not always happen like this :) |
| 17:45.26 | RST38h | whatever path you follow, you are not apple |
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| 17:46.31 | lcuk | but empires change and battlelines are redrawn, what is hot now may not be hot in 5 years time |
| 17:48.24 | krfkeith | I'm sorry, but Apple as a company is retarded in so many ways |
| 17:48.31 | krfkeith | let's look at their marketing slogans |
| 17:48.43 | krfkeith | "Think Diffifernt" "The funnest iPod ever" |
| 17:48.57 | krfkeith | I guess the poor grammar is reprsentative of their user base |
| 17:49.03 | krfkeith | heh heh heh |
| 17:49.10 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://linux.omap.com/pipermail/davinci-linux-open-source/2009-August/015134.html |
| 17:49.27 | Stskeeps | i'll never be able to say maemo sdk is evil anymore :P |
| 17:50.18 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.50 | javispedro | Stskeeps, lol :) |
| 17:51.02 | javispedro | Stskeeps, you must try developing for PalmOS :) |
| 17:51.15 | krfkeith | lcuk: have a five minute conversation with some random person on the street, then you'll know why |
| 17:51.48 | krfkeith | as Winston Churchill said, "The biggest argument against democracy is a five minutre conversation with the average voter" |
| 17:52.12 | krfkeith | besides, people in the Apple store literally lie to get their stuff sold |
| 17:52.26 | krfkeith | not that other salesmen don't |
| 17:52.40 | lcuk | cures famine, makes world peace tec etc |
| 17:52.43 | krfkeith | for instance, some guy was telling this woman that Photoshop doesn't exist for Windows |
| 17:52.49 | lcuk | every salesperson from the dawn of time has done that |
| 17:52.49 | krfkeith | so I butted in and told the truth |
| 17:52.51 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 17:53.01 | krfkeith | I know, but its so blatant, its funny |
| 17:53.18 | lcuk | my gf came back from the apple store one day after stumping them |
| 17:53.24 | krfkeith | in fact, Photoshop I believe is worse on OS X becaues it is tied to Carbon |
| 17:53.26 | lcuk | she went to get a bt keyboard |
| 17:53.28 | lcuk | for my nokia |
| 17:53.31 | krfkeith | heh |
| 17:54.08 | lcuk | they didnt think it would work |
| 17:54.08 | lcuk | so she pulled it out of her bag and connected it |
| 17:54.08 | lcuk | i was so proud :D |
| 17:54.08 | krfkeith | lol, I love going in there and playing dumb, before the iPhone OS 3 came out, and being like, how do you copy and paste? |
| 17:54.13 | lcuk | they know you are dumb tho |
| 17:54.26 | krfkeith | and then saying? Oh! you can't are you sure? because my WinMo thing from 3 years ago did |
| 17:54.27 | lcuk | thing is, they get paid to be there, you dont |
| 17:54.28 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I had a problem like that with IBM XLC compiler |
| 17:54.43 | krfkeith | yeah, but I like to think I have some integrity |
| 17:54.54 | krfkeith | which I was I would never be in sales |
| 17:54.55 | krfkeith | heh |
| 17:54.56 | RST38h | Stskeep: Spent about an hour on the phone with IBM. Had to give my name, employer, and address 3 times. |
| 17:55.27 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Has been eventually told that IBM will not support me because the product has been registered to our client |
| 17:55.28 | lcuk | :( rst |
| 17:55.33 | krfkeith | RST38h: IBM service is VERY annoying |
| 17:55.52 | krfkeith | I was on the phone with them for hours, must've gotten transfered 15 times |
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| 17:56.13 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Told their "representative" to stick those DAT tapes up his well worn ass, hung up, switched to GCC |
| 17:56.19 | wazd_ | Apple is unique company. It can be great and retarded same time :) |
| 17:56.57 | RST38h | krfkeith: Ah, they also sent me about 3kg of junkmail a week |
| 17:56.57 | lcuk | ALL companies are the same |
| 17:56.59 | javispedro | I could not imagine a few years ago |
| 17:57.04 | javispedro | that Gcc would be used nearly everywhere |
| 17:57.16 | RST38h | krfkeith: Apparently, our corporate address got input into their database three times |
| 17:57.19 | wazd_ | lcuk: most of them are tough mids |
| 17:57.28 | RST38h | javis: funny, right? |
| 17:57.36 | wazd_ | lcuk: Apple is super great and uber retarded :) |
| 17:57.42 | javispedro | it was a _really_ bad compiler in its first days |
| 17:57.42 | krfkeith | Apple is so much worse than microsoft |
| 17:57.50 | krfkeith | it is no way a "great company" |
| 17:57.52 | krfkeith | ever |
| 17:57.54 | RST38h | javis: How long ago? |
| 17:58.03 | RST38h | javis: Version 2.x was already pretty decent |
| 17:58.15 | krfkeith | and frankly, remind me what is so revolutionary about the iPhone? |
| 17:58.17 | RST38h | javis: Better than Boreland anyway |
| 17:58.28 | krfkeith | besides the pretty icons |
| 17:58.28 | RST38h | krfkeith: It is shiny. It works. |
| 17:58.37 | wazd_ | krfkeith: first smaptphone that just work :) |
| 17:58.38 | krfkeith | well, there you go |
| 17:58.40 | javispedro | gcc 2.x was the Be one I think. So that was usable indeed. |
| 17:58.41 | RST38h | krfkeith: Which is more than can be said about many other phones |
| 17:59.15 | krfkeith | see, I beg to differ, I had a WinMo PDA and a Treo and both worked without a htich |
| 17:59.22 | javispedro | gcc 2.95.infinite I mean, I never knew where the rest of the 2.x series was |
| 17:59.38 | wazd_ | krfkeith: majority of users will not agree with you :) |
| 17:59.38 | RST38h | krfkeith: I have not seen a WinMo device that would work without a hitch |
| 17:59.57 | krfkeith | the problems with WinMo are grossly exaggerated |
| 17:59.58 | krfkeith | IMO |
| 18:00.17 | RST38h | krfkeith: No major problems, just the sum of all annoyances |
| 18:00.26 | krfkeith | anything that doesn't let me install any application that I want is not smart |
| 18:00.29 | wazd_ | krfkeith: I've used WinMo PDA's for 5 or 6 years. No, the're not :) |
| 18:00.44 | krfkeith | well what problems do you have? |
| 18:00.52 | wazd_ | krfkeith: had |
| 18:00.57 | krfkeith | ok, had |
| 18:01.52 | RST38h | That is a seriously inflammatory topic |
| 18:02.07 | wazd_ | krfkeith: overall sloweness, rare hang ups, you should be uber wise to set up bt tethering :) |
| 18:02.23 | RST38h | Does not kill apps, runs out of memory |
| 18:02.38 | RST38h | When it turns off, all apps have to be reinstalled afterwards |
| 18:02.45 | wazd | RST38h: well, it kills apps with 3rd party software :) |
| 18:02.48 | RST38h | No USB mass storage, have to use Sync |
| 18:02.49 | krfkeith | that was a problem long ago |
| 18:03.02 | RST38h | We are talking plain vanilla out of the box WinMo, ok? |
| 18:03.09 | krfkeith | ok |
| 18:03.15 | RST38h | May sometimes skip incoming calls, depending on the load |
| 18:03.19 | wazd | RST38h: oh, plain WinMo is not slow :) |
| 18:03.30 | RST38h | I did not say slow |
| 18:03.32 | wazd | RST38h: utill you'll start to install software :) |
| 18:03.34 | RST38h | I said annoying |
| 18:03.53 | RST38h | UI taken straight out of Win95 and castrated even more |
| 18:03.59 | krfkeith | however, consider this, lets say I need App XYZ and Apple doesn't alllow XYZ, regardless of problems, if WinMo can run XYZ, for me, that would make it a superior device |
| 18:04.05 | RST38h | System APIs taken from the same Win95 |
| 18:04.20 | krfkeith | or rather, OS |
| 18:04.34 | RST38h | krfkeith: nothing can make WinMo a superior device |
| 18:04.41 | wazd | krfkeith: like I said, apple can ruin such a great hardware like an iPhone with it's retarded software policy |
| 18:05.09 | RST38h | krfkeith: WinMo is a single but sufficient reason keeping me from buying HTC hardware |
| 18:05.16 | krfkeith | hardware wise, there isn't much special about the iPhone, software-wise, I don't think so either |
| 18:05.28 | RST38h | Well, 3GS is using Cortex CPU |
| 18:05.29 | krfkeith | RST38h: WinMo 6 isn't bad at all |
| 18:05.38 | RST38h | So, hardware wise it is a bit of a step forward |
| 18:05.56 | krfkeith | not a quatum leap by any means |
| 18:05.57 | wazd | krfkeith: first device with wise using of new technology |
| 18:06.02 | RST38h | krfkeith: However you sugar the toad, it is still a toad, not gonna eat it |
| 18:06.09 | wazd | krfkeith: To my mind it's great |
| 18:06.24 | krfkeith | to my mind, its nothing but pretty icons |
| 18:06.32 | krfkeith | and gimmicks |
| 18:06.50 | wazd | krfkeith: good for you :) |
| 18:07.31 | krfkeith | multitasking for the win |
| 18:07.32 | wazd | The fact is that pretty icons and gimmicks make solid user experience |
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| 18:07.45 | krfkeith | ok, but, pretty icons doesn't make a good OS |
| 18:08.00 | wazd | solid user experience makes good OS |
| 18:08.09 | wazd | thats the only point of OS |
| 18:08.15 | krfkeith | no, that makes a good GUI |
| 18:08.30 | krfkeith | you can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig |
| 18:08.52 | RST38h | is tired of people claiming that iPhone has no multitasking |
| 18:08.56 | krfkeith | if the Mac OS X GUI were somehow ported to DOS 1.0, would that make it a good OS |
| 18:09.14 | krfkeith | RST38h: notifications don't count |
| 18:09.25 | wazd | krfkeith: iPhone does mt |
| 18:09.30 | RST38h | There is Unix like OS underneath |
| 18:09.38 | krfkeith | I understand that |
| 18:09.40 | wazd | krfkeith: full featured with jailbreak, small without |
| 18:09.40 | Corsac | just not user multitasking :) |
| 18:09.42 | RST38h | It multitasks just fine |
| 18:09.45 | krfkeith | exactly |
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| 18:10.08 | krfkeith | having the capability and making use of it are two different things |
| 18:10.16 | RST38h | Why don't you say "iPhone UI does not let you run more than one user app at once" |
| 18:10.36 | krfkeith | fine |
| 18:10.41 | krfkeith | call it what you want |
| 18:10.49 | Corsac | because nobody cares that the underlying os multitasks if it's not user-available |
| 18:10.51 | wazd | krfkeith: ok, what else except multitasking is on WinMo side? :) |
| 18:10.53 | Macer | hm |
| 18:10.54 | krfkeith | exactly |
| 18:10.57 | Corsac | so yes, in the end it can't multitasks |
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| 18:11.10 | krfkeith | hmm, WinMo, well let's see, its an Open platform |
| 18:11.13 | krfkeith | thats a big one |
| 18:11.16 | wazd | It can multitask with jailbreak |
| 18:11.22 | Corsac | you can always pretend you didn't understand what people mean by that, but⦠|
| 18:11.25 | wazd | krfkeith: since when it's open?)) |
| 18:11.37 | krfkeith | open source is not the same as open |
| 18:11.51 | krfkeith | by open I mean there is no approval system |
| 18:11.59 | wazd | krfkeith: you mean you can install everything you want? |
| 18:12.04 | krfkeith | yes |
| 18:12.11 | krfkeith | and don't tell me about jailbreak |
| 18:12.15 | krfkeith | that doesn't make it open |
| 18:12.29 | krfkeith | I shouldn't have to jump through hoops to use my device how I want it |
| 18:12.33 | wazd | krfkeith: iPhone has an App Store - you don't need to search for latest versions of the software |
| 18:12.54 | Corsac | being able to install anything might be problematic too :) |
| 18:13.11 | wazd | krfkeith: iPhone has a Jailbreak - with it you can use your device absolutely like you want |
| 18:13.31 | krfkeith | Ben Franklin: Those who would trade freedom for security [ease of use] deserve neither |
| 18:13.46 | krfkeith | wazd: did you not see what I said? |
| 18:14.16 | krfkeith | I can mod my PSP, and install what I want, but the fact of the matter is that the restrictions shouldn't be there in the first place |
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| 18:14.47 | wazd | krfkeith: Windows doesn't have the restrictions. And we have what we have now |
| 18:14.58 | krfkeith | the iPhone/Touch iis the quintecensial example of closed system |
| 18:15.15 | wazd | krfkeith: it's closed but it works for 90% of users |
| 18:15.26 | wazd | krfkeith: and it does it well |
| 18:15.43 | krfkeith | it would probably work for me, but, I cannot give money to such a ridiculous company |
| 18:15.50 | krfkeith | that freaking censors a dictionary |
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| 18:16.03 | krfkeith | pragmatically, it doesn't matter, but its the principal |
| 18:16.16 | wazd | krfkeith: you can give your money to the company that sells same os for 7 years? :) |
| 18:16.22 | krfkeith | likewise, instead of using OO.o, I could just pirate Office, but I'm not going to |
| 18:16.24 | wazd | or even 11 |
| 18:16.31 | krfkeith | wazd: if the OS works well for me, then yes, I will |
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| 18:16.53 | krfkeith | by that standard, I shouldn't use UNIX becauses its over 40 years old |
| 18:17.27 | lcuk | actually, im pretty sure dictionaries censor their posting and find the least offensive variation when choosing stuff |
| 18:17.38 | wazd | krfkeith: I'm not familiar ith it but isn't UNIX is just a core? |
| 18:17.48 | krfkeith | UNIX is an operating system |
| 18:17.57 | krfkeith | by core do you mean kernel? |
| 18:18.00 | lcuk | go read urban dictionary for some common things - and then try to find same things in a regular one |
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| 18:19.11 | krfkeith | lcuk: your argument is flawed, regular dictionaries do have the colloquial definitions of "ass" "shit" and "fuck" |
| 18:19.13 | krfkeith | etc. |
| 18:19.41 | wazd | krfkeith: anyway, some people will giv their money to the company that blocks dictionary, you'll give your money to the company that sells same os abomination for a decade, and I will just buy hardware and use free os :D |
| 18:20.09 | krfkeith | wazd: do you work for Apple? |
| 18:20.22 | krfkeith | Windows being bad is so blown out of proportion |
| 18:20.31 | krfkeith | Windows NT is actually a very well written OS |
| 18:20.40 | wazd | krfkeith: I mean WinMo ofcourse |
| 18:20.44 | krfkeith | oh |
| 18:20.59 | krfkeith | once again, its still based on the CE kernel, but it has been updated |
| 18:21.33 | krfkeith | have you even used WinMo 6? Do you really think its fair to compare an OS from 2003 to one from today? |
| 18:21.52 | krfkeith | or whatever the last release of WinMo you used |
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| 18:22.21 | wazd | krfkeith: I've used PPC 2000 and win mo 6 |
| 18:22.33 | wazd | krfkeith: and all in between |
| 18:22.43 | florian | re |
| 18:22.45 | lcuk | this is apparantly a censored dictionary for symbian |
| 18:22.46 | lcuk | http://asia.cnet.com/downloads/handheld/swinfo/0,39001949,50002495r-39609620s,00.htm |
| 18:22.51 | wazd | krfkeith: Changes were unsignificant |
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| 18:23.23 | krfkeith | lcuk: just because someone else does it doesn't mean its right or accpetable |
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| 18:24.00 | lcuk | i recall the dictionaries at school were censored too |
| 18:24.10 | lcuk | i think they called it "abridged" back then |
| 18:24.19 | lcuk | but half the swear words i looked for i couldnt find |
| 18:24.34 | wazd | lcuk: you spent your youth in the Apple's school, haha :D |
| 18:24.40 | lcuk | lol |
| 18:25.05 | krfkeith | that isn't Apples to Apples |
| 18:25.13 | lcuk | krfkeith, at the end of the day, its their device - it doesnt actually matter |
| 18:25.18 | krfkeith | censoring a dictionary for children or teenagers |
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| 18:25.30 | lcuk | censoring a product that kids can buy |
| 18:25.37 | lcuk | its not adult rated |
| 18:25.44 | lcuk | i agree with it |
| 18:25.49 | krfkeith | lcuk: by Comparison, China is the Chinese government's country, they can do what they want |
| 18:26.00 | lcuk | and they do |
| 18:26.10 | krfkeith | does that make it right? |
| 18:26.36 | lcuk | doesnt make it wrong either - if i could be arsed to protest about lacking the words fuck and shit and ass i would |
| 18:26.47 | lcuk | but its nothingness in the grand scheme of things |
| 18:27.39 | krfkeith | if this was the only thing, I wouldn't care |
| 18:27.41 | krfkeith | but it isn't |
| 18:27.51 | lcuk | so |
| 18:27.55 | lcuk | its apples problem |
| 18:27.59 | lcuk | go and bitch at them about it |
| 18:28.03 | lcuk | this is a nokia chan |
| 18:28.09 | lcuk | we can swear |
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| 18:28.29 | lcuk | unless you buy dictionary for symbian lol |
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| 18:35.56 | RST38h | yawns widely |
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| 18:44.32 | lcuk | throws things into RST38h's gob |
| 18:49.38 | RST38h | more bacon? |
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| 19:10.09 | lcuk | RST38h, lemon cheese cake |
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| 19:18.59 | RST38h | lcuk: yummy |
| 19:19.08 | RST38h | (at least if it is the same thing I think it is) |
| 19:19.09 | lcuk | tis actually |
| 19:19.18 | lcuk | tracy also makes lemon n lime drizzle cake |
| 19:19.44 | lcuk | likes it when tracy bakes stuff :) |
| 19:21.31 | LinuxCode | lcuk, when do I come to visit ? |
| 19:21.56 | lcuk | when you can make better cakes than tracy lol |
| 19:22.10 | LinuxCode | dont challenge me, you might be surprised |
| 19:22.24 | LinuxCode | hehe |
| 19:22.33 | lcuk | hah |
| 19:22.38 | LinuxCode | ohh doh, I just realized something |
| 19:22.40 | lcuk | bring cake (and bacon) to the summit |
| 19:22.52 | LinuxCode | I was going to buy a good coffee liqueur in Germany ;-| |
| 19:22.55 | LinuxCode | I forgot |
| 19:22.58 | LinuxCode | meh |
| 19:23.24 | LinuxCode | wants to make Tiramisu with the family recipe |
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| 19:23.47 | LinuxCode | from the age of 13, that ended up being my birthday cake lol |
| 19:25.30 | lcuk | you have made this before now? |
| 19:27.49 | LinuxCode | I know how it is made |
| 19:27.54 | LinuxCode | I always watched my dad |
| 19:28.16 | LinuxCode | it was the highlight of my day/evening, when I knew he was going to make one |
| 19:28.17 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 19:28.19 | lcuk | :D always the best way to learn |
| 19:28.23 | LinuxCode | indeed |
| 19:28.44 | LinuxCode | sadly, some recipes are lost forever now |
| 19:28.47 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 19:29.01 | LinuxCode | but hey, that's life |
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| 19:29.16 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:29.39 | lcuk | you have them tucked away up there tho :) |
| 19:30.21 | lcuk | are you still using your tablet |
| 19:32.00 | lcuk | ok, completely offtopic and random, i just found this |
| 19:32.01 | lcuk | http://www.hornoxe.com/farbige-rauchringe/ |
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| 19:32.51 | Luddek | heh cool |
| 19:33.19 | lcuk | smoke ring fights! |
| 19:33.33 | lcuk | who wouldv thought the star trek explosion designers had it right! |
| 19:35.07 | RST38h | "The $100,000 tool bag plunged toward Earth and burned up as it re-entered the atmosphere" |
| 19:35.36 | RST38h | That is 250 NITs |
| 19:35.46 | Luddek | RST38h didn't that happend long ago or is it another toolbox? |
| 19:35.52 | lcuk | wasnt that the lady who lost her handbag |
| 19:38.30 | lcuk | http://serve.me.nus.edu.sg/limtt/ |
| 19:38.32 | RST38h | Same toolbox, entering atmosphere above atlantic right now |
| 19:38.45 | lcuk | (i believe this is the original source of the fluid dynamics vid i just posted |
| 19:38.53 | RST38h | In vaguely related news, Apple has submitted a patent application for technologies which would detect device-abuse by consumers. The intent presumably being to aid in determining the validity of warranty claims. |
| 19:43.19 | Stskeeps | hah |
| 19:43.32 | Stskeeps | this is already done in things like SMART though? |
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| 19:47.16 | Stskeeps | scary, people find a way to add a usb port to q5 by ripping out bluetooth chip |
| 19:47.34 | Stskeeps | hw hack guys are really going at it :P |
| 19:48.06 | Stskeeps | also the stylus on a q5 is also an antenna or something.. |
| 19:48.07 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 20:43.58 | k-s | http://www.vimeo.com/5983706 |
| 20:43.59 | k-s | now running on n810 |
| 20:45.13 | Stskeeps | not bad |
| 20:47.24 | k-s | :-) |
| 20:47.26 | k-s | runs good |
| 20:47.51 | woglinde | hgaha the girl is nice |
| 20:50.00 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:50.10 | woglinde | the kinetic stuff isnt perfect |
| 20:50.16 | woglinde | or the video suckz |
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| 21:47.07 | lardman | evening all |
| 21:47.14 | Luddek | good evening |
| 21:48.55 | fernand0_ | not kidding, that girl looks nice |
| 21:49.00 | woglinde | he lardman |
| 21:49.33 | lardman | reminds people that he's not a girl.... |
| 21:49.41 | fernand0_ | :> |
| 21:49.44 | GAN800 | k-s, the eye candy may have overpowered your eye candy. ;) |
| 21:49.50 | GAN800 | Lies. |
| 21:50.00 | lardman | oi |
| 21:50.16 | lardman | heads to the logs to see what this is all about |
| 21:50.24 | woglinde | lardman the girl here on this video http://www.vimeo.com/5983706 |
| 21:50.37 | k-s | ehehe |
| 21:51.01 | lardman | ah yes, not too bad |
| 21:51.12 | k-s | fernand0_: that's my alter-ego |
| 21:51.58 | fernand0_ | n_n |
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| 21:53.23 | fernand0_ | k-s, oh, you are Gustavo, I've always read your blog, hehe, I like the things you put on it about efl/edje/python |
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| 21:54.48 | k-s | ehehe |
| 21:54.48 | k-s | fernand0_: see, now you like my alter ego as well ;-) |
| 21:54.48 | k-s | eheheh |
| 21:55.00 | k-s | kidding, mariana is the only girl at our office |
| 21:55.29 | k-s | full of scarry nerds, we need someone to balance |
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| 21:58.45 | woglinde | k-s lol how can she stand that? |
| 21:59.07 | lardman | very cool, I have a nice microphone input waveform displayed |
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| 22:01.52 | fernand0_ | k-s, by the way, I'm currently downloading the indt maemo-sdk image, does it include the necesary tools to develop with python-ejde? |
| 22:02.12 | fernand0_ | edje* |
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| 22:12.03 | lardman | hmm, /me wonders about a glass of wine |
| 22:12.14 | Macer | alcoholic |
| 22:12.43 | lardman | well... |
| 22:12.48 | lardman | :) |
| 22:13.14 | Macer | heh |
| 22:13.25 | florian | that's something to consider :) |
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| 22:13.43 | Macer | it is ok |
| 22:14.06 | lardman | no, my wife will kill me if I open a bottle now |
| 22:14.16 | Macer | a group of alcoholics were able to convince the world that alcoholism is a "disease" |
| 22:14.54 | lcuk | lardman, only one thing to do - all nite tesco and get a replacement |
| 22:14.57 | Macer | obease people are also close to this "diseased" classification |
| 22:15.27 | lardman | lol, means I have to finish it tho' |
| 22:15.41 | Macer | as if stuffing their piglike fatass faces with disgustingly unhealthy food had nothing to do with it |
| 22:15.48 | lcuk | such a hard life! |
| 22:15.53 | Macer | haha |
| 22:15.59 | lcuk | just get the new bottle before you start that one ;) |
| 22:16.32 | Macer | show no pity for alcoholics, fat people, and drug addicts |
| 22:16.49 | lardman | hmm, having been in the pub playing skittles, winning I hasten to add, and drinking, I think driving 20 miles to the nearest 24h Tescos would be a no-no :) |
| 22:17.02 | lardman | s/20/10 |
| 22:17.21 | lardman | obviously Tescos are placed every 10 miles or so |
| 22:17.27 | Macer | plus |
| 22:17.32 | lcuk | ok, no then |
| 22:17.40 | Macer | it would be a true sign of alcoholism |
| 22:17.45 | lcuk | when we were camping some guy drove back from the pub with his kid |
| 22:17.49 | lcuk | to the campsite |
| 22:17.52 | Macer | long drives to fool people |
| 22:18.02 | lcuk | he picked up another bloke and his kids |
| 22:18.05 | Macer | tell tale sign |
| 22:18.05 | lcuk | and they crashe |
| 22:18.06 | lcuk | dd |
| 22:18.12 | lardman | oops |
| 22:18.16 | lardman | sticks to the water |
| 22:18.18 | lcuk | and the kids were in hospital for the night |
| 22:18.22 | lcuk | and one guy was in a cell |
| 22:18.41 | lcuk | shame really, the guy who got the lift was havin the time of his life |
| 22:18.47 | lcuk | reallyhavin the best holiday ever |
| 22:18.48 | lardman | the cell was probably more comfortable than the tent, not sure about hospital ;) |
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| 22:19.02 | lcuk | i hope not |
| 22:19.13 | lcuk | he only got a lift cos they were completely blind |
| 22:19.18 | lcuk | they forgot torches |
| 22:19.36 | lcuk | bitch of it was we had walked back 5 mins before |
| 22:19.43 | lcuk | same route - his tent was next over |
| 22:20.01 | lardman | hmm, bad luck |
| 22:20.21 | lcuk | yeah - really killed his time, he was practically in tears about what had happened |
| 22:20.34 | lcuk | note - i dont give a shit about the driver himself |
| 22:21.14 | lcuk | anyway, dont drink and drive |
| 22:21.22 | lcuk | cyas later |
| 22:21.36 | lardman | bye |
| 22:21.39 | lcuk | (didnt mean it as a rant, it upset me |
| 22:21.53 | woglinde | poor kids |
| 22:22.00 | lardman | no worries, wasn't planning on going to Tescos : |
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| 22:22.23 | lcuk | woglinde yeah, they are all fine physically |
| 22:24.41 | lcuk | gnite anyway \o |
| 22:27.18 | lardman | tries to remember where data is placed when passed from ARM to DSP and whether it will allow a fast FFT |
| 22:27.38 | lardman | glass of wine would doubtless help the thinking, but water it is :) |
| 22:28.08 | derf | A fast Fast Fourier Transform? |
| 22:28.08 | lardman | indeed |
| 22:28.11 | derf | Twice the fast for half the price. |
| 22:28.26 | lardman | well one hopes, assuming it's in the right type of memory |
| 22:28.33 | derf | TI does indeed have hand-optimized asm for FFT on C55x. |
| 22:28.45 | lardman | yep, was planning on using their macro |
| 22:28.57 | lardman | which calls the asm |
| 22:28.59 | derf | You can map 16 MB of host memory, or do the message passing thing. |
| 22:29.18 | lardman | can't actually map that much, not enough TLBs left over |
| 22:29.25 | derf | Ah, true. |
| 22:29.35 | lardman | at least not with the Nokia setup anyway |
| 22:32.11 | lardman | hmm, ipbuf is in extmem anyway, so will need to be copied to DARAM on DSP side, so shared memory is probably the fastest transfer (saves a copy) |
| 22:34.19 | woglinde | hm I still at updating ti dsp stuff for omap3530 in oe |
| 22:35.00 | lardman | I've not really looked at the omap3 stuff, been busy and have no hw so lack motivation |
| 22:35.29 | woglinde | hm |
| 22:35.34 | woglinde | no beagleboard? |
| 22:35.40 | lardman | nope |
| 22:36.20 | lardman | not especially cheap over here |
| 22:37.08 | woglinde | lardman hm where do you live again? |
| 22:37.17 | lardman | UK |
| 22:37.22 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:37.24 | Luke-Jr_ | beagleboard isn't cheap period |
| 22:37.29 | Luke-Jr_ | for what beagleboard is, it should be $50 |
| 22:37.33 | Luke-Jr_ | or less |
| 22:37.33 | woglinde | what you mean with cheap? |
| 22:37.45 | lardman | well it's like >£100 iirc |
| 22:38.22 | woglinde | hm look here http://www.myigep.com/ available at sep |
| 22:38.27 | lardman | all well and good for something I'll use day to day, but I won't with a beagleboard, so couldn't justify buying one |
| 22:38.35 | woglinde | but its 149 |
| 22:38.37 | woglinde | euros |
| 22:38.48 | Luke-Jr_ | exactly, a ripoff |
| 22:39.10 | Luke-Jr_ | 149 would be a good price for a N810 if it were open |
| 22:39.21 | Luke-Jr_ | but something that's barely usable, if usable at all? |
| 22:39.38 | lardman | was hoping to get a Pandora last Xmas and hack on that, but obviously it hasn't happened :) |
| 22:39.48 | Luke-Jr_ | lardman: why obviously? |
| 22:40.09 | lardman | well as it's still not been produced and looks like it's at least a few more months off still |
| 22:40.12 | woglinde | pnadora wasnt availble |
| 22:40.16 | Luke-Jr_ | they claim to have one shipment out |
| 22:40.22 | lardman | was supposed to be for last nov |
| 22:40.26 | Luke-Jr_ | probably the only one :þ |
| 22:40.37 | lardman | Luke-Jr_: ah, that's news to me. Hmm |
| 22:41.30 | lardman | anyway that ship has sailed as far as I'm concerned, far too late |
| 22:41.40 | Luke-Jr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.42 | Luke-Jr_ | Pandora12345 |
| 22:41.43 | Luke-Jr_ | Pandora |
| 22:41.45 | Luke-Jr_ | ARM® Cortexâ¢-A8 600Mhz+ CPU running Linux |
| 22:41.46 | Luke-Jr_ | 430-MHz TMS320C64x+⢠DSP Core |
| 22:41.48 | Luke-Jr_ | PowerVR SGX OpenGL 2.0 ES compliant 3D hardware |
| 22:41.49 | Luke-Jr_ | 800x480 4.3" 16.7 million colours touchscreen LCD |
| 22:41.51 | Luke-Jr_ | Wifi 802.11b/g, Bluetooth & High Speed USB 2.0 Host |
| 22:41.55 | Luke-Jr_ | Dual SDHC card slots & SVideo TV output |
| 22:41.57 | Luke-Jr_ | Dual Analogue and Digital gaming controls |
| 22:41.59 | Luke-Jr_ | 43 button QWERTY and numeric keypad |
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| 22:42.16 | Luke-Jr_ | stabs browser |
| 22:42.22 | Luke-Jr_ | sorry |
| 22:42.25 | lardman | :) |
| 22:42.45 | lardman | I know the spec, just think something better will now come along |
| 22:42.57 | Luke-Jr_ | I wasn't even trying to paste the spec |
| 22:43.00 | Luke-Jr_ | The first batch of the Pandora is now sold out. |
| 22:43.01 | Luke-Jr_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.03 | Luke-Jr_ | that |
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| 22:44.06 | lardman | hmm, should |
| 22:44.14 | lardman | all very tenous still |
| 22:44.21 | lardman | tenuous even |
| 22:44.23 | lardman | anyway |
| 22:44.53 | Macer | hm |
| 22:45.01 | GAN800 | Luke-Jr_, you're so epic at spinning utter bullshit. |
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| 22:45.05 | Macer | trying to get sats w n800 |
| 22:45.12 | Macer | n810 |
| 22:45.20 | Macer | and mapper |
| 22:45.21 | Luke-Jr_ | GAN800: no u |
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| 22:45.48 | lardman | hi GAN800 |
| 22:46.06 | GAN800 | Luke-Jr_, you should go back and take an econ clash or something. |
| 22:46.19 | Luke-Jr_ | wtf |
| 22:46.22 | Macer | uhm |
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| 22:46.26 | GAN800 | Hey, Simon. |
| 22:47.39 | GAN800 | s/clash/class/ |
| 22:49.38 | woglinde | laaalllaa |
| 22:50.13 | Luke-Jr_ | GAN800: why? I couldn't care less about economics :D |
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| 22:52.18 | lardman | wonders about twiddle table locations |
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| 22:56.26 | Macer | wtf can i use to use the internet to dl the almanac? |
| 22:57.32 | lardman | the agps-ui should do the trick |
| 22:57.43 | lardman | from the SUPL server |
| 22:57.51 | lardman | or are you talking manually? |
| 22:58.28 | Macer | agps didnt seem to dl it |
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| 22:58.58 | lardman | perhaps you didn't move far enough? |
| 22:59.04 | lardman | or the file is corrupt, etc |
| 22:59.27 | lardman | also a time limit, won't download within a certain time for the same location |
| 23:00.23 | Macer | oh |
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| 23:00.33 | Macer | you have to move? |
| 23:00.35 | Macer | heh |
| 23:00.48 | Macer | just to get an almanac' |
| 23:00.50 | Macer | ? |
| 23:01.28 | Macer | i stayed outside 30 mins grying to get a lock |
| 23:01.36 | lardman | saves hammering their server, only download it if you've moved or it's out of date |
| 23:01.50 | lardman | yeah, try deleting the nvd_data file then try again |
| 23:01.54 | Macer | ok, screw it.. i will wait |
| 23:02.08 | Macer | until i am outside driving for a while |
| 23:02.13 | lardman | so I've been told, should stop any corruption in there from stopping the GPS |
| 23:02.39 | Macer | well |
| 23:02.51 | lardman | doesn't even bother will the built-in now, just uses a BT one |
| 23:02.58 | Macer | maemo itself has been searching for sats for a while |
| 23:03.14 | Macer | lol |
| 23:03.20 | Macer | that seems redundant |
| 23:03.45 | Macer | im sure once you get it going the 1st time the next time is far easier |
| 23:04.02 | lardman | nvd_data contains the almanac and ephemeris data, if it's corrupt it will be looking for the wrong sats |
| 23:04.19 | Macer | where does it store it? |
| 23:04.29 | lardman | that's a question :) |
| 23:04.39 | lardman | iirc, somewhere under /var |
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| 23:06.39 | Macer | nope |
| 23:06.41 | Macer | heh |
| 23:07.55 | lardman | hmm, google should find it I guess |
| 23:07.57 | Macer | wtf?? |
| 23:08.02 | lardman | sorry, it's been a while |
| 23:08.10 | Macer | no pipe on n810??? |
| 23:08.23 | Macer | i have ¥ |
| 23:08.24 | lardman | symbol? |
| 23:08.28 | Macer | lol |
| 23:08.30 | Macer | yah |
| 23:08.33 | lardman | oh, should be on the pop-up kb |
| 23:08.37 | Macer | and ⬠|
| 23:08.45 | Macer | but no pipe haha |
| 23:08.48 | Macer | £ |
| 23:08.53 | Macer | wtf! |
| 23:09.55 | lardman | £ is very useful thank you very much! ;) |
| 23:10.34 | javispedro | I just pooped myself |
| 23:10.45 | javispedro | touched my n810 only to find it was in wsod-like trance |
| 23:11.01 | javispedro | was happy to remember that I enabled /etc/no_lg_reboots |
| 23:11.14 | Macer | /var/lib/gps/nvd_data |
| 23:11.16 | javispedro | (and maemo-desktop had crashed) |
| 23:11.51 | lardman | Macer: ah, knew it was there somewhere :) |
| 23:12.03 | Macer | rm it? |
| 23:12.18 | lardman | yeah |
| 23:12.22 | Macer | ok |
| 23:12.38 | lardman | then start agps-ui and the gps stuff again and it should be regenerated and filled, hopefully ;) |
| 23:12.43 | Macer | going to stand in the yard til i lock |
| 23:12.58 | lardman | Macer: see you tomorrow ;) :D |
| 23:13.21 | lardman | face South, or if you're in the southern hemisphere face North |
| 23:13.23 | Macer | hahaha |
| 23:13.29 | Macer | bb.....LATER |
| 23:13.33 | nomis | Macer: also make sure... |
| 23:13.40 | Macer | ;) |
| 23:13.40 | nomis | Macer: that your clock is set correctly. |
| 23:13.45 | Macer | it is |
| 23:13.47 | nomis | ok. |
| 23:13.55 | nomis | (incl. proper timezone) |
| 23:14.01 | lardman | so only 1h to lock then, rather than a week... :D |
| 23:14.33 | lardman | should try his, last lock was in Australia I think |
| 23:14.42 | Macer | home city? |
| 23:14.50 | lardman | me? |
| 23:14.57 | Macer | i mean |
| 23:15.11 | Macer | there isnt a place in maemo for timezone |
| 23:15.23 | Macer | only home city in the clock settings |
| 23:15.26 | lardman | ah yes, depending on your chosen city |
| 23:15.29 | Macer | ok |
| 23:15.35 | Macer | bbl ;) |
| 23:15.41 | lardman | good luck! |
| 23:16.37 | nomis | Macer: we breathlessly await your fix :) |
| 23:17.42 | GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr_, exactly. |
| 23:17.46 | GeneralAntilles | and it makes you look like a fool. |
| 23:17.52 | Luke-Jr_ | GeneralAntilles: no u |
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| 23:20.57 | lardman | on a whim I tried to get a fix sat in my study - one sat, no change in the last 5min, not going to work I don';t think |
| 23:26.15 | Macer | ok |
| 23:26.29 | Macer | took 5 mins to lock in maemo config |
| 23:26.42 | Macer | but mapper keeps looking for a gps receiver |
| 23:26.53 | Macer | what dev is the internal gps? |
| 23:27.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Bluetooth, leave device blank |
| 23:27.18 | Macer | i have /dev/pgps |
| 23:27.28 | Macer | which is like tty/0 |
| 23:27.33 | Macer | oh |
| 23:27.34 | Macer | ok |
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| 23:31.02 | lardman | night all |
| 23:32.27 | Macer | hm |
| 23:32.44 | Macer | think that was a bad move with the maps heh |
| 23:32.54 | nomis | Macer: hmm? |
| 23:32.59 | Macer | i selected like 8 |
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| 23:33.11 | Macer | got the lock and tracking tho |
| 23:33.43 | nomis | \o/ |
| 23:34.09 | javispedro | tmo: "The rumors are that the next iPhone will have a multi-core Cortex A9. " |
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| 23:34.16 | javispedro | heh. it will ship before the N900 too. |
| 23:36.17 | woglinde | lol javis |
| 23:36.22 | woglinde | and good nite |
| 23:36.25 | woglinde | I am leaving |
| 23:37.13 | Macer | hm |
| 23:37.28 | Macer | am i still connected? |
| 23:37.30 | Macer | wtf |
| 23:37.40 | wazd | yes u are :) |
| 23:37.45 | Macer | weird |
| 23:38.22 | Macer | lost my wifi for five mins |
| 23:38.24 | Macer | ssh should have died heh |
| 23:38.31 | Macer | it works.. thanks |
| 23:38.39 | Macer | need to get a mini sd |
| 23:38.41 | Macer | bbl |
| 23:39.05 | Macer | tear is too lacking in features |
| 23:39.18 | Macer | awesome browser so far for what it is tho |
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| 23:40.32 | Macer | ok |
| 23:40.54 | Macer | guess i jumped the gun calling the n810 crappy heh |
| 23:41.16 | Macer | i have been using it nonstop for a whole day haha |
| 23:41.51 | wazd | Macer: I had a week with n800 only |
| 23:41.55 | Macer | it IS a little better than my older n800 i sent Stskeeps |
| 23:42.06 | wazd | Macer: not bad experience for such a small device :) |
| 23:42.17 | Macer | the qwerty does take some getting used to |
| 23:42.25 | Macer | isnt that responsive |
| 23:42.38 | Macer | have to press the space kind of hard |
| 23:42.49 | wazd | Macer: well, I had to get used to even my desktop keyboard :) |
| 23:43.08 | Macer | once i get this damn ecu in my car... will be pretty fun |
| 23:43.21 | Macer | i have an su8w |
| 23:43.40 | Macer | used to use it with my n800 and n95 |
| 23:43.46 | Macer | still have it |
| 23:44.12 | Macer | n810 makes it so i can keep my g1 in a bag |
| 23:44.28 | Macer | might have to get a bulk battery for the gq tho |
| 23:44.39 | wazd | Macer: hmm, g1 and n810 same time is a bit overkill :) |
| 23:44.46 | Macer | lol |
| 23:44.47 | javispedro | the ability that opensource gives me to fix the bugs that bit me most by myself is vastly underrated |
| 23:44.52 | Macer | not really |
| 23:44.57 | Macer | g1 is slow |
| 23:45.08 | wazd | Macer: oh |
| 23:45.08 | Macer | and closes apps on its own when out of mem |
| 23:45.15 | javispedro | i'm starting to even enjoy it :) |
| 23:45.27 | wazd | Macer: I prefer tiny phone and the tablet :) |
| 23:45.28 | Macer | n810 has a bigger higher res screen |
| 23:45.36 | javispedro | fills another bug report that'll be a WONTFIX in diablo and gets ready for bed |
| 23:45.43 | Macer | and a much better browser |
| 23:45.52 | wazd | javispedro: that's great but it's nothing to deal with end-user same time :) |
| 23:45.56 | Macer | javispedro: ? |
| 23:46.16 | Macer | lol |
| 23:46.23 | Macer | what bug is that? |
| 23:46.29 | Macer | i need a minisd |
| 23:46.30 | Macer | bbl |
| 23:46.30 | javispedro | that ossofilemanager thing that was pissing me yesterday |
| 23:46.37 | Macer | going to order one |
| 23:46.52 | Macer | hopefully a 16G if i can find one |
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| 23:47.36 | javispedro | good luck with your new N810 :) |
| 23:47.52 | javispedro | and gnite |
| 23:50.51 | Macer | heh |
| 23:51.02 | Macer | had an n800 before |
| 23:51.20 | Macer | not much new wxcept the qwerty and gps |