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| 00:04.12 | caotic | here is a tricky one, I consume a lot of podcast, I have a gpodder both in my pc and my tablet, the problem being, that a lot of times I end up downloading tiwce the same media, because I am not using either one or the other device ... so is there a way to mirror/proxy the podcasts fro gpodder or other application like it |
| 00:04.37 | GeneralAntilles | rsync? |
| 00:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | still wants to see network sync in FBReader. |
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| 00:22.37 | caotic | GeneralAntilles: yeah, but I am sure gpodder has to use some kind of database doesnt it ? |
| 00:23.08 | GeneralAntilles | caotic, seems likely, though I don't know offhand. |
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| 04:21.51 | Macer | hm |
| 04:22.04 | Macer | touchbook is supposed to be shipping |
| 04:22.25 | Macer | so far nobody has received a tracking number |
| 04:22.27 | Macer | lol |
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| 05:12.15 | chx | when i try to install gizmo, aplication managwer says "preparing for installation please wait" and hangs at about the middle |
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| 05:17.28 | chx | bah, command line :) |
| 05:28.57 | chx | wow despite what the forums my brother (8500km away) installed Gizmo on his Windows laptop I installed on the N810 and video chat just worked. |
| 05:30.23 | Stskeeps | gizmo does work, skype not, afaik |
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| 05:44.38 | chx | Stskeeps: that's what i just found out too |
| 05:44.56 | chx | Stskeeps: i wonder tho can the device keep up with a bt headset too? i tried with skype the results were horrible |
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| 06:06.01 | Snaht | where is the best place to look for troubleshooting docs for modest email? |
| 06:06.27 | johnx | I don't really know if there's a central place for that kind of thing |
| 06:06.41 | johnx | have you looked at any of the threads on talk.maemo.org? |
| 06:06.54 | johnx | and/or what problem are you seeing? |
| 06:07.30 | Snaht | yea, although part of my problem is that i keep falling asleep midsearch |
| 06:08.23 | johnx | did you have any promising leads in your dreams? |
| 06:08.34 | Snaht | i found a bug in the bug tracker that half describes it. |
| 06:08.43 | johnx | <- had a dream about LDAP/SASL authentication issues the other night O_o; |
| 06:09.41 | Snaht | it talked about a gmail acct and a pop3 acct being setup and the background fetcher failing |
| 06:10.04 | johnx | ah |
| 06:10.23 | johnx | yeah, seems to be a lot of ways the background fetcher can fail without anything noticing it |
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| 06:10.43 | johnx | if I could figure out how I got mine working after it stopped I'd tell you |
| 06:12.16 | Snaht | what I'M seeing is that i get a message that i'v got X# of emails but no headers are retreived |
| 06:12.47 | Snaht | for the pop3 acct, the imap acct is fine |
| 06:12.58 | johnx | that's different than what I see, but I'm only using IMAP |
| 06:13.37 | Snaht | i should also try to troubleshoot this from an actual computer and not my n810 |
| 06:13.52 | Snaht | tinykeyboard |
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| 06:15.00 | Snaht | i'll look more in talk.maemo.org tomorrow (and in my dreams overnight). thanks |
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| 06:15.49 | man_in_shack | tinykeyboard is whereitsat though |
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| 07:31.05 | Woolly | hey guys, has anyone tried upgrading gstreamer on maemo? |
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| 07:53.01 | Woolly | I'm wondering whether its pointless to compile the latest version of gstreamer for the n810, will this work? |
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| 08:10.16 | RST38h | Woolly: Afaik MAemo gstreamer is heavily adapted to the hardware |
| 08:10.20 | RST38h | But I may be wrong |
| 08:10.33 | Woolly | RST38h: damn, thanks |
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| 08:14.10 | Jaffa | gstreamer *itself* is still the base framework without heavy customisation (AIUI). But there are output plugins specific to the N8x0 hardwar |
| 08:14.13 | Jaffa | +e |
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| 08:22.53 | Woolly_ | RST38h: do you if the gstreamer version will be upgraded at all? |
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| 08:25.34 | RST38h | Not in Diablo. |
| 08:26.07 | Woolly_ | double bums |
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| 08:30.43 | Stskeeps | ponders if he'll be ducttaped against a maemo summit wall for his bothersome questions :> |
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| 08:32.09 | RST38h | Sts: No, I think Nokia will fly you to .FI and interrogate there |
| 08:32.23 | RST38h | Sts: Ask Lcuk for details on their techniques =) |
| 08:32.59 | Stskeeps | point taken |
| 08:34.05 | lcuk | :O |
| 08:34.24 | lcuk | that wasnt interrogation, it was friendly questions |
| 08:34.35 | lcuk | and i should have just told them where i had hidden the bacon :( |
| 08:35.30 | Stskeeps | stockholm syndrome, eh :P |
| 08:35.47 | lcuk | heh |
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| 09:04.30 | Woolly_ | has anyone done any work with gstreamer, I'm having difficulty recording AVI files and playing them back? |
| 09:05.36 | Woolly_ | I can record something, but not at the correct framerate. The metadata is being put into the file as 15fps, but it's not recording at 15fps, even though I have specified it to. |
| 09:06.09 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I have fixed the promotion issue and was able to promote your app to the queue. |
| 09:06.29 | lcuk | the camera is most likely grabbing frames at 15fps (thats a natural rate for the onboard cam) |
| 09:06.41 | lcuk | but you are probably getting lag doing the encoding |
| 09:07.12 | lcuk | Woolly_, what res |
| 09:07.20 | lcuk | waves @ X-Fade |
| 09:07.22 | Woolly_ | lcuk: i'm not doing any encoding yet, just muxing it to avi |
| 09:07.33 | X-Fade | hi lcuk |
| 09:07.38 | Woolly_ | lcuk: and it's the ximagesrc, rather than the camera source |
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| 09:08.02 | Woolly_ | lcuk: oh and its 800x480 resolution iirc |
| 09:08.31 | lcuk | 800*480 video playback doesnt happen quickly, have you tried the movie on desktop to see |
| 09:08.52 | Woolly_ | I've been using Quicktime to single step through my frames |
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| 09:09.17 | lcuk | oooer, dunno then, just noting the things ive noticed |
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| 09:09.33 | Woolly_ | lcuk: I made an app that increments every second, but also displays hundredths of a second |
| 09:09.48 | Woolly_ | lcuk: i record that on the screen, but only get one frame per second :( |
| 09:10.13 | Woolly_ | lcuk: I'll keep trying, thanks for the input though! |
| 09:10.18 | lcuk | you need to slow down time somehow, i think in #witches they have a potion for that |
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| 09:10.23 | lcuk | or you could ask in #wow |
| 09:10.38 | Woolly_ | haha true |
| 09:11.07 | RST38h | Woolly: Use direct fb access |
| 09:11.17 | Woolly_ | fb access? |
| 09:11.51 | RST38h | Oh, you can't record at 15 fps |
| 09:11.55 | RST38h | That is different |
| 09:12.03 | Woolly_ | ah okay |
| 09:12.11 | Woolly_ | i'm confused :D |
| 09:12.22 | RST38h | that is normal when dealing with gstreamer |
| 09:12.33 | Woolly_ | not being able to record at 15fps? |
| 09:12.38 | Woolly_ | or being confused |
| 09:13.06 | RST38h | being confused |
| 09:13.10 | Woolly_ | indeed |
| 09:13.17 | Woolly_ | all this pipeline malarky |
| 09:13.18 | RST38h | Another self-sustaining API |
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| 09:13.41 | RST38h | Only existing to satisfy its authors desire to create "great APIs" |
| 09:13.49 | Woolly_ | haha |
| 09:14.24 | RST38h | Woolly: When recording are you also getting live picture on the screen? |
| 09:14.29 | Woolly_ | I just want to be able to record what's on the screen at 15fps, which isn't looking possible :( |
| 09:14.40 | RST38h | Wait. |
| 09:14.57 | RST38h | You are not using the camera, you just want to record a screencast, right? |
| 09:15.04 | Woolly_ | RST38h: exactly |
| 09:15.28 | Woolly_ | but I had to compile the ximagesrc.so from source, because the tablet didn't have it |
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| 09:15.42 | RST38h | Ok I got it |
| 09:15.54 | RST38h | There is a stupid, bullet proof way to do it |
| 09:16.13 | Woolly_ | RST38h: ears are open:D |
| 09:16.25 | RST38h | You want to open(/dev/fb0) and mmap() it |
| 09:16.45 | RST38h | Then you can access the frame buffer contents at any time, as often as you wish and the CPU allows you to |
| 09:17.10 | Woolly_ | do you think that would allow me to record at 15fps? |
| 09:17.20 | Woolly_ | and what makes that way stupid? |
| 09:17.26 | RST38h | Depends on what else you are doing with that tablet |
| 09:17.40 | RST38h | Well, it disregards all APIs |
| 09:17.47 | Woolly_ | ahh true |
| 09:18.10 | Woolly_ | regarding doing stuff with tablet, just general things, maybe some light web browsing, note taking that sort of thing |
| 09:18.26 | RST38h | It should be pretty portable though, as long as you care to read and analyze display info via ioctl |
| 09:18.29 | Woolly_ | nothing like watching files |
| 09:19.01 | RST38h | Ok, let us do a little math |
| 09:19.27 | RST38h | A screenful of data is 800x480x2=750kB |
| 09:19.37 | Woolly_ | yup |
| 09:19.46 | RST38h | At 15fps, you are looking at 11.25MB of data a second |
| 09:20.29 | RST38h | You want to read that from SDRAM (relatively fast, no problem there) and write it to a file (NAND flash, dead slow) |
| 09:20.52 | RST38h | The second part is most likely going to be your problem |
| 09:20.57 | Woolly_ | ahh |
| 09:21.03 | Woolly_ | I've just had a flash of inspiration |
| 09:21.17 | Woolly_ | do you know how filesink writes to disk in gstreamer? |
| 09:21.23 | RST38h | To make it a bit more realistic, compress data using RLE as you read it from the frame buffer |
| 09:21.40 | RST38h | No idea, but probably using the saeme write() call as everybody else |
| 09:21.55 | Woolly_ | I'm not really sure how that works, but does it write in blocks? |
| 09:22.02 | RST38h | It does |
| 09:22.04 | Woolly_ | rather than continuous |
| 09:22.15 | RST38h | Well it writes continuously in blocks |
| 09:22.25 | Woolly_ | ahh yes |
| 09:22.48 | Woolly_ | so if I have a gstreamer pipeline with a queue before the filesink, and the filesink is a lot slower than the data is being put into the queue |
| 09:23.22 | RST38h | Yes, you are fucked. |
| 09:23.24 | Woolly_ | the filesink wont get all the data |
| 09:23.34 | Woolly_ | it'll grab some, write some, grab some write some |
| 09:23.50 | Woolly_ | and when it's grabbed some, the queue will unblock and let a bit more data into the queue |
| 09:23.53 | Woolly_ | hmmm |
| 09:24.09 | RST38h | if you are using gstreamer, the idea would be to put a compression module between |
| 09:24.21 | RST38h | of course, compression algorithms also eat time |
| 09:24.26 | Woolly_ | I was using an jpegenc, but it wasn't really working very well |
| 09:24.33 | Woolly_ | s/an/a/ |
| 09:25.10 | RST38h | If I were doing it, I would write an assembly routine that reads the screen, compresses it using RLE on the fly, and dumps it into a buffer. I would then write the buffer to disk |
| 09:25.21 | pupnik_ | wow, the guy who played 'Manuel' on Fawlty Towers was a german (and a very intelligent person in interviews) |
| 09:25.24 | pupnik_ | 'que?' |
| 09:25.40 | Woolly | and do you think that would be pretty nippy? |
| 09:25.51 | RST38h | No idea but it would be the best bet |
| 09:26.19 | Woolly | sweet, that's food for thought. Thanks for the input :) |
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| 09:30.34 | lcuk | Woolly, vnc2swf - offload the recording itself to a different machine and just have the device pushing vnc data |
| 09:31.00 | RST38h | I do not think transferring 11+MB a second over WiFi will be that much faster =( |
| 09:31.14 | lcuk | with vnc you dont transfer everything |
| 09:31.31 | RST38h | unless the display changes that is :) |
| 09:31.33 | Woolly | I had thought of studying individual frames and doing some kind of delta compression |
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| 09:31.35 | talig1 | gtk/hildon question: Is there a way to get the icon in the application menu larger than 26x26? [obviously there is a way, because some of them are, but no luck finding instruction online ...) |
| 09:31.43 | lcuk | and you do not have the excessive io stuff of recording to an mmc |
| 09:32.05 | RST38h | talig1: just supply 40x40 icon |
| 09:32.09 | Woolly | what would happen if I used a faster MMC, do you think it would be massively improved? |
| 09:32.34 | RST38h | Woolly: You are limited by the underclocked MMC interface in N8x0 |
| 09:32.45 | Woolly | RST38h: damn :( |
| 09:32.59 | RST38h | There are speed tests of that on the Net, google for them |
| 09:33.06 | Woolly | will do |
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| 09:36.42 | talig | RST38h: Trying... |
| 09:36.50 | talig | RST38h: It doesn't work :( |
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| 09:42.03 | talig1 | RST38h: Sorry, I have connection problems today. Any other ideas? |
| 09:42.13 | X-Fade | jeremiah: ping? |
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| 09:44.42 | RST38h | talig1: No. It should work. |
| 09:44.49 | RST38h | Just a second. |
| 09:45.43 | talig1 | RST38h: It really doesn't :( And every tutorial/instruction/documentation page that I found specified: You need 26x26 png :/ |
| 09:46.07 | RST38h | You actually need 3 pngs |
| 09:46.19 | RST38h | Which are used in different parts of the UI |
| 09:46.29 | RST38h | Let me find an example though |
| 09:46.43 | talig1 | RST38h: Thanks a lot! |
| 09:48.35 | RST38h | Ok, here it goes: |
| 09:48.56 | plastun | hello! |
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| 09:49.10 | RST38h | In your makefile, when you are installing to the device, install three icons like this: |
| 09:49.12 | plastun | I have installed espeak ant it's say nothing ( |
| 09:49.38 | talig1 | RST38h: I'm following. |
| 09:49.51 | RST38h | http://pastebin.com/d174ca46 |
| 09:50.56 | talig1 | RST38h: Check. What do I write in the app.desktop then? |
| 09:51.04 | RST38h | Same as always, your app name |
| 09:51.08 | RST38h | In my case it is fmsx |
| 09:51.20 | RST38h | Now, in your postinst script, make sure you have these: http://pastebin.com/m3a46b140 |
| 09:51.45 | RST38h | This will insure that Hildon knows about all your new icons |
| 09:54.15 | talig1 | RST38h: Anywhere that explains how to add a postinst script? |
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| 09:55.31 | Jaffa | talig1: http://thpinfo.com/2008/02/maemo-icon-sizes.html is also useful |
| 09:56.01 | talig1 | Jaffa: I've seen it... I was missing explanations. |
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| 09:57.09 | talig1 | RST38h: The addition to the Makefile - where should I put it? I have a python app, so I basically have a makefile which is just a wrapper for setup.py... |
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| 10:06.16 | talig | RST38h: I must be doing something wrong. It's not working... :/ I did it manually, so instead of the install command I used cp+chmod |
| 10:07.05 | talig | RST38h: and then I manually ran all of the update commands from the postinst script. Nothing :( I still get the ugly 4-gray-squares icon instead of the one that I want... |
| 10:10.02 | RST38h | mmm...let me go get lunch and then we will figure something out. |
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| 10:12.31 | talig | RST38h: Thanks a bundle and bon apetite! :) |
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| 10:48.38 | VDVsx | wazd, ping |
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| 11:00.05 | RST38h | moo VDVsx wazd |
| 11:00.16 | RST38h | talig: Returning to our sheep |
| 11:00.34 | RST38h | talig: You are saying you see those four squares as an icon. Could you specify WHERE? |
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| 11:00.51 | VDVsx | morning RST38h :) |
| 11:00.57 | RST38h | Do you see them in the task manager bar (left side of desktop screen) or in the menu? |
| 11:02.01 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 11:02.30 | wazd | RST38h: I got this apple-like keyboard :) |
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| 11:07.57 | VDVsx | wazd, will add your summit banner here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Marketing , ok ? |
| 11:07.58 | Passeli | hello, anyone using eclipse 3.4 + esbox 2.0beta ? |
| 11:08.26 | Passeli | i cannot create debug configuration, it complains: Cannot determine build target for project. |
| 11:08.29 | Passeli | in main tab |
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| 11:10.49 | Jaffa | X-Fade: looks like promotion OR bugs fixed. Want me to have a go at promoting Attitude again? |
| 11:11.30 | RST38h | wazd: is it good or just good enough? =) |
| 11:11.35 | Jaffa | Ah, X-Fade's already done it. Cool. |
| 11:11.58 | RST38h | promptly throws up at Eclipse |
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| 11:16.45 | DarwinSurvivor_ | now THAT was a weird fix to my audio-cd problem... |
| 11:17.38 | DarwinSurvivor_ | apparently normal cds (data) are mounted by hal (thus user can read just fine), but since audio cds have no fs (thus not handled by hal), they need to be accessed directly, required the user to be in the OPTICAL group!! lol |
| 11:19.20 | t_s_o | sounds like a bit overly restrictive... |
| 11:19.57 | RST38h | Isn't there a special file system type for audio CDs? |
| 11:25.07 | trogdor | not really, but one can be "simulated" |
| 11:25.10 | trogdor | http://www.ii.pw.edu.pl/~borkowsm/cdfs.htm |
| 11:25.51 | wazd | RST38h: it's pretty good, especially for it's price :) |
| 11:26.18 | trogdor | OS X does something similar. It presents audio tracks as .AIFF audio files, which can be "copied" to another volume. The "copy" operation just "rips" the tracks to .AIFF, heh |
| 11:28.14 | RST38h | Windoze seems to present tracks as files as well |
| 11:28.29 | RST38h | wazd: Got the Blue LED (tm)? =) |
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| 11:31.01 | t_s_o | i think konqueror shows content as files, that one can "copy" in different formats. not sure about nautilus or thonar as its been ages since i stuffed a audio cd in a pc |
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| 11:33.18 | RST38h | I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with Konqueror itself |
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| 11:38.28 | wazd | RST38h: surprisingly no, only green and yellow one :) |
| 11:41.52 | RST38h | at least they know something about style |
| 11:42.29 | RST38h | Is the green one the "true" green one (like one in N810) or the standard color (like AL307G)? |
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| 11:44.06 | wazd | RST38h: salad green, just like generic green led :) |
| 11:44.25 | RST38h | ah...Apple has got a true green one there =) |
| 11:45.37 | wazd | RST38h: btw I don't like short l-shift and small enter on alu-kb :) |
| 11:48.07 | wazd | I've fixed awful logo on the space with black marker :) |
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| 11:56.48 | talig | RST38h: Sorry, I was out for lunch :) I see them both in the task manager bar, and in the application menu (i.e. click the blue-green icon, go to Extras, next to my app - ugly gray iocn) |
| 11:58.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: do you consider 18x18 statusbar items 'easy' to hit? |
| 11:58.59 | tali-away-mtg | RST38h: Had to jolt for a meeting. BBS |
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| 12:06.00 | wazd | Stskeeps: don't think so :) |
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| 12:06.52 | wazd | Stskeeps: why so small? |
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| 12:11.06 | Stskeeps | wazd: that's what it is in fremantle |
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| 12:14.53 | wazd | Stskeeps: cool :) |
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| 12:15.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: why not 5x5? :P |
| 12:15.29 | Stskeeps | i'm just pondering the reasoning :P |
| 12:15.52 | wazd | btw, are they still hard-limited in width? |
| 12:15.57 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:16.09 | Stskeeps | except for clock or something |
| 12:16.25 | wazd | lame |
| 12:16.54 | wazd | I'd rather allow the developer to make it's own width and give him some guidelines |
| 12:17.06 | wazd | and limit the height |
| 12:17.14 | Stskeeps | statusbar is a bit weird to me |
| 12:18.32 | RST38h | talig: Ok |
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| 12:18.52 | RST38h | talig: In other words, your app name does not correspond to your icon name |
| 12:19.18 | Stskeeps | roope: are fremantle status area items exclusively meant as informative? even though they're clickable, 18x18px seems a bit small to me to hit |
| 12:19.51 | RST38h | talig: Can I please see your .desktop file? (use pastebin) |
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| 12:36.37 | lcuk | Stskeeps, didn't you hear, the n900 comes with a magnifying glass and nano stylus :D:D |
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| 12:38.25 | tbf | Stskeeps: the entire status area acts as one single button and opens a larger status menu with individual buttons |
| 12:38.53 | tbf | Stskeeps: those tiny icons are not individually clickable |
| 12:39.18 | Stskeeps | tbf, interesting |
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| 12:40.04 | wazd | tbf: hmmm |
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| 12:49.21 | RST38h | finally found a properly flammable thread on itt |
| 12:49.36 | RST38h | Party time, hehe |
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| 12:51.06 | wazd | RST38h: should I call fire brigade?) |
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| 12:51.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: better not be the community SSU or one of the Mer threads.. |
| 12:51.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:51.57 | RST38h | wazd: I suggest we enjoy an inferno first, then involve two other necessary components of a good show (i.e. water flowing and people at work) |
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| 12:52.16 | RST38h | Sts: Naah, it's one of thhose texrat's threads |
| 12:52.44 | RST38h | Sts: Not the moralizing one, so should be less mud |
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| 13:09.12 | Jaffa | RST38h: Is it the one which is going on about evolution or DNA or somesuch? |
| 13:10.12 | RST38h | Jaffa: I *think* so, although that fiber has been cut (thankfully) |
| 13:12.14 | roope | The one where I'm writing stuff? :) |
| 13:12.38 | roope | I hope that people won't get shitfaced over "perhaps we're not the best examples over what mass market consumers want from their devices". |
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| 13:17.21 | sjgadsby | roope, you're being reasonable again. You know that always makes threads explode. |
| 13:17.25 | Jaffa | roope: Well, experience to date would suggest you're right ;-) |
| 13:17.32 | roope | It's not a very popular message. :) |
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| 13:18.08 | roope | Because people somehow jump off the cliff into "they don't care about us at all". |
| 13:18.28 | roope | Which is rather black and white. Of course we care _the most_ about our current users. |
| 13:19.48 | wazd | just landed |
| 13:20.00 | wazd | roope: no you're not! |
| 13:20.04 | wazd | roope: :D |
| 13:20.30 | roope | Well, I don't mind being sometimes unpopular. |
| 13:21.31 | wazd | screw users, the only way to make something good - to make it for yourself :) |
| 13:21.38 | GAN8001 | roope, I call BS on that. |
| 13:22.01 | roope | It's just a shame that if I say that "just saying that ABC sucks" isn't perhaps the most helpful kind of feedback, somebody reads me as "you don't care about feedback at all". |
| 13:22.39 | roope | Sometimes caring about something or someone != doing exactly what someone says. |
| 13:22.56 | GAN800 | That's Talk learn to love it or bitch about it elsewhere. |
| 13:23.09 | roope | I do love it. :) |
| 13:23.16 | GAN800 | (like here) |
| 13:23.31 | GAN800 | doesn't care for it. |
| 13:23.40 | GAN800 | Makes me feel dirty these days. |
| 13:26.07 | thux | roope: is disney's rich man uncle scrooge |
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| 13:27.57 | tali-away-mtg | RST38h: Still around? |
| 13:28.24 | RST38h | yes |
| 13:28.29 | RST38h | Need to see your .desktop file. |
| 13:28.48 | RST38h | Actually, I seem to already know what is going on but need to see the file just in case |
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| 13:29.00 | javispedro | does anyone remember a bug where deleting a file in the file manager would result in the file being deleted but NOT disappearing from the file list view? I remember reading it once but can't find it now |
| 13:29.19 | talig | RST38h: No problem. Pasting the content in some pastebin. Just a sec |
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| 13:30.06 | talig | RST38h: http://pastebin.com/m5babcc9a |
| 13:30.17 | talig | RST38h: I think I understand what you mean now... |
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| 13:30.57 | slonopotamus | anyone knows what setting makes kernel know that it needs to run initfs? |
| 13:31.43 | slonopotamus | to mount it to / and run init from it |
| 13:32.01 | javispedro | isn't it hardcoded? |
| 13:32.07 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: cmdline being root=1f03 |
| 13:32.12 | talig | RST38h: Thanks a million - works like a charm! :D |
| 13:32.31 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, oh! loader passes it? |
| 13:32.42 | qwerty12_N810 | nope, it's in kernel |
| 13:33.15 | slonopotamus | ahha, CONFIG_CMDLINE |
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| 13:34.08 | talig | RST38h: Could I use your counsel for a related issue then? I can't seem to be able to embed the 'install -m. ..' lines you suggested in my makefile :( Claims there's a missing separator when I try to build the package... |
| 13:34.51 | slonopotamus | i'm trying to run custom kernel but all i get is black screen and lighting led :( and shutdown after 10-15 seconds (wd i suppose) |
| 13:35.24 | slonopotamus | any way to see if it outputs smth to console? |
| 13:36.38 | javispedro | serial cable? (this would be nice...) |
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| 13:37.37 | slonopotamus | err... i'm supposed to take usb cable and turn one of its ends into smth connectable to pins near battery? |
| 13:38.09 | javispedro | nope, I believe it is more a MAX232 thing |
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| 13:40.34 | Jaffa | javispedro: Sounds like a timeless bug |
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| 13:41.17 | javispedro | slonopotamus, either way ask e.g. solca (nitdroid), he's booting a custom kernel, with r&d mode and all that |
| 13:41.44 | javispedro | Jaffa, did it exist or I dreamt it? :) |
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| 13:42.10 | RST38h | talig: found the problem? |
| 13:42.28 | talig | RST38h: With the icon - yes. |
| 13:42.32 | RST38h | talig: you should have 3 icon entries there and your icon filenames should be compliant |
| 13:42.55 | talig | RST38h: Could you maybe assist with the makefile? |
| 13:43.10 | javispedro | I'm now hitting that bug consistently, all because I've set a custom MYDOCSDIR |
| 13:43.32 | javispedro | already downloaded hildonfm source :) |
| 13:44.10 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: ossofilemanager is hardcoded to ~/MyDocs in places :( |
| 13:45.11 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, you're right, but I have my hopes up since monitoring is done through hildonfm & gnomevfs |
| 13:45.19 | javispedro | (AFAIK) |
| 13:45.32 | RST38h | talig: Depends on what it is |
| 13:45.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah right, good luck with it |
| 13:46.02 | RST38h | javis: that is because you are messing with it =) |
| 13:46.18 | javispedro | the default location of the MyDocs folder is useless |
| 13:46.22 | RST38h | javis: A symbolic link from ~/MyDocs usually does the job |
| 13:46.36 | RST38h | javis: Although it has got a few other unpleasant implications |
| 13:46.42 | javispedro | RST38h, surprise me :) |
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| 13:47.05 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'm running with a custom MYDOCSDIR and microb won't let me open anything directly |
| 13:47.19 | talig | I can't seem to be able to embed the 'install -m. ..' lines you suggested in my makefile :( Claims there's a missing separator when I try to build the package... |
| 13:47.26 | RST38h | javis: metalayer-crawler is said to dislike it (although I have not noticed it on my device) |
| 13:47.56 | RST38h | talig: You are prepending them with a TAB, aren't you? |
| 13:48.20 | RST38h | talig: And you have got "install:" target in front of them? |
| 13:48.27 | javispedro | Jaffa, what you mean? I just did File -> Open file from browser and it worked |
| 13:48.32 | RST38h | Ah, shit, let me just paste my whole makefile |
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| 13:49.42 | RST38h | talig: http://pastebin.com/m77135569 |
| 13:50.08 | RST38h | talig: Notice that some of these targets refer to the makefile in the parent directory, where my actual source code is |
| 13:50.13 | Jaffa | javispedro: Click on a link to an MP3 file and I get the "[Open] [Save] [Cancel |
| 13:50.25 | Jaffa | ]" dialogue. But "Open" is greyed out. Tapping it says "insufficient resources" |
| 13:50.30 | RST38h | talig: So you should change them according to your setup |
| 13:51.48 | javispedro | Jaffa, WORKSFORME. $MYDOCSDIR=/media/mmc2/MyDocs |
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| 13:52.31 | Jaffa | javispedro: Same for me. Ho hum. |
| 13:54.53 | javispedro | it's also streaming the file, cause it was a 3 MiB file and mediaplayer started instantly |
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| 13:59.14 | GAN800 | RST38h, Nokia slowing down to evolution to climate change. . . . Urg. |
| 14:01.28 | javispedro | I made the error of subscribing to that topic in its first days... my modest cache is now 10MiB and it was cleaned a week ago |
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| 14:02.08 | GAN800 | RST38h, also, and you wouldn't know this an someone who doesn't use Apple, but the whole reliability thing is largely a myth. |
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| 14:03.09 | GAN800 | javispedro, Talk: The Home of Offtopic Logical Fallacies. |
| 14:03.13 | cbx3331 | hi all |
| 14:03.20 | cbx3331 | who's a good hardware guru here? |
| 14:03.22 | cbx3331 | the n810 |
| 14:03.29 | cbx3331 | internally what does teh screen use? |
| 14:03.31 | cbx3331 | is it vga? |
| 14:04.05 | GAN800 | No, it's an lcd connector. |
| 14:04.06 | Stskeeps | special lcd connector afaik |
| 14:04.11 | cbx3331 | crap |
| 14:04.18 | cbx3331 | so no way of integrating it with something else? |
| 14:04.27 | cbx3331 | not a particularstandard that you can get a converter for? |
| 14:05.02 | javispedro | if you want to drive a external screen, there is xsisusb https://garage.maemo.org/projects/xsisusb/ |
| 14:05.13 | cbx3331 | no i want to drive that screen |
| 14:05.17 | cbx3331 | from an external device |
| 14:05.24 | cbx3331 | i want to rip it's tiny little screen out :) |
| 14:08.29 | GAN800 | Then you need something with an LCD header. |
| 14:08.36 | GAN800 | Beagle Board or such. |
| 14:08.44 | GAN800 | Or build your own adaptor. |
| 14:08.50 | cbx3331 | ok |
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| 14:08.52 | cbx3331 | thanks guys |
| 14:09.56 | javispedro | remembers the displaylink driver was gpl'd not too much ago and that he has a displaylink-enabled display |
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| 14:15.45 | talig | RST38h: Right on the money. I can't believe I always forget this. We're two developers working on this thing, and I changed my GVIM to replace tabs with spaces |
| 14:15.49 | lopz | hi |
| 14:16.10 | talig | RST38h: Thanks you so much |
| 14:17.17 | RST38h | you are welcome. |
| 14:17.41 | RST38h | PICO will not change your tabs with spaces. In fact it won't let you configure that =) |
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| 14:24.05 | Wooly | Hey guys, me again! I've copied the contents of /dev/fb0, but am not sure how to write this to a jpeg in C. Does anyone have any pointers? |
| 14:24.31 | javispedro | now that's the weirdest maemo-screenshot-tool replacement I've ever seen |
| 14:24.56 | Wooly | javispedro: is that directed at me? |
| 14:25.02 | RST38h | Why do you insist on writing it to jpeg? |
| 14:25.05 | javispedro | depends on what you're trying to do? |
| 14:25.30 | Wooly | RST38h: JPEG was just something I plucked out of thin air really. I just want to look at the image that I've just copied. |
| 14:25.43 | RST38h | You want to do this at 15fps, are you sure your tablet can compress 15x800x480x16bpp images into JPEG per second? |
| 14:26.00 | javispedro | ah, you want to screencast |
| 14:26.07 | Wooly | javispedro: exactly |
| 14:26.34 | Wooly | RST38h: as above, JPEG was just to look at the image I'd just taken |
| 14:27.00 | javispedro | Wooly, if you have lots of time to waste I would take a look at how NX does it |
| 14:27.19 | javispedro | it uses Xdamage to do jpeg compression of deltas |
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| 14:27.32 | talig1 | RST38h: I'm generally great with GVIM, it's just that we're writing in python and the other developer uses spaces, so I had to switch ;) |
| 14:27.49 | RST38h | ah |
| 14:28.02 | Wooly | javispedro: noted, thanks :) |
| 14:28.17 | RST38h | javis: I gave him a possible solution a while ago, qwerty gave him another one |
| 14:28.29 | RST38h | javis: probably just needs time to sink in =) |
| 14:28.45 | javispedro | RST38h, ah, then for sure mine is hardest :) so forget about it |
| 14:28.54 | qwerty12_N810 | Pretty sure it wasn't me :) |
| 14:29.18 | qwerty12_N810 | But, that said, load-applet has an option to use the framebuffer and it saves to PNG |
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| 14:29.36 | javispedro | screenshot-tool does it too |
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| 14:30.10 | Wooly | RST38h: it's your solution of reading the framebuffer that I'm implementing |
| 14:30.33 | javispedro | it's gpl'd and only 100 lines long |
| 14:30.37 | javispedro | so it would be a start |
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| 14:31.09 | RST38h | Wooly: Try compressing it with RLE on the fly |
| 14:31.14 | slonopotamus | `cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot` - and you got a screenshot :) |
| 14:31.28 | RST38h | slono: He wants 15 of these per second |
| 14:31.35 | RST38h | slono: Written to a disk |
| 14:31.48 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.50 | Wooly | RST38h: I'm getting to that! I'm new to all this, so am pretty slow. I just wanted to verify what I was copying. |
| 14:32.06 | slonopotamus | RST38h, 15 shots per second is called a movie :) |
| 14:32.23 | Stskeeps | http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/ir_20090805.html |
| 14:32.25 | Stskeeps | ^ fancy |
| 14:32.34 | RST38h | slono: Depends on what you are using to shoot |
| 14:32.44 | slonopotamus | javispedro, ??? real 0m0.118s |
| 14:32.53 | javispedro | $ time cat /dev/fb0 > /dev/null --> real 0m 0.09s |
| 14:33.01 | javispedro | (probably slow/filled flash, sorry) |
| 14:33.05 | RST38h | Sts: Yep. On2 finally hit the jackpot |
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| 14:33.14 | Stskeeps | they're the hantro guys as well |
| 14:33.16 | RST38h | Sts: Took them long, long time |
| 14:33.39 | RST38h | javis: Yes, he is ging to have problems writing, not so much reading |
| 14:33.53 | slonopotamus | javispedro, 2 seconds to write 750kb?! |
| 14:33.53 | Wooly | I can fopen /dev/fb0 and write it out 23 times a second |
| 14:33.58 | RST38h | javis: that is why RLE and *also* frame-by-frame comparison |
| 14:34.08 | Wooly | RST38h: that's the plan |
| 14:34.13 | slonopotamus | good point |
| 14:34.21 | RST38h | slono: It is seeking between fb0 and mmc =) |
| 14:34.23 | Wooly | RST38h: as I said, I'm new to all this |
| 14:34.27 | javispedro | slonopotamus, yes, to jffs2 :P |
| 14:34.40 | slonopotamus | Wooly, skip repeating frames |
| 14:34.57 | Wooly | slonopotamus: That's also on the list of stuff to do :D |
| 14:34.58 | fiferboy | lcuk: ping? |
| 14:35.16 | slonopotamus | 1gb / 750kb / 15 per second... |
| 14:36.01 | lcuk | fiferboy, very distant pong |
| 14:36.25 | fiferboy | lcuk: Distant? |
| 14:36.37 | slonopotamus | at least this way doesn't use cpu :) |
| 14:36.42 | lcuk | yes, im not here more than i am here |
| 14:37.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: Ah. You store thumbnails in your database, correct? |
| 14:37.24 | lcuk | yes |
| 14:37.35 | lcuk | ickle biddy pngs |
| 14:37.50 | fiferboy | Can the images change outside of liqbase? |
| 14:38.16 | lcuk | not really, that would be a new record (think of the liqbase database like a wiki) |
| 14:38.27 | javispedro | btw, what is the format of /dev/fb0? RGB 5-6-5 ? |
| 14:38.50 | Wooly | javispedro: I'm not sure |
| 14:39.18 | fiferboy | Hmm, I like the idea of storing my thumbnails in the database for faster retrieval but there are a couple of issues |
| 14:42.02 | lcuk | fiferboy, where are the original images stored then |
| 14:42.06 | fiferboy | I guess I could have a "Refresh thumbnails" action that would do a mass update if the users changes anything outside |
| 14:42.08 | lcuk | and you could use a blended attack |
| 14:42.20 | fiferboy | lcuk: Where ever the user wants |
| 14:42.41 | fiferboy | My biggest concern would be that the images get removes but the program still shows the thumbnail |
| 14:42.47 | lcuk | the original calendar (which didnt use a database) did a check to see if a sketch file existed for every single calendar day shown on screen as it was being rendered |
| 14:42.52 | lcuk | ie it was quick |
| 14:43.01 | fiferboy | I could have a check when displaying the thumbnail to make sure the original file still exists |
| 14:43.23 | lcuk | before rendering a thumb, do a quick check to confirm the datestamp is the same as the one you saved in the database alongside the thumb itself |
| 14:43.27 | lcuk | and if different - update |
| 14:43.40 | fiferboy | lcuk: date stamp! Brilliant! |
| 14:44.41 | lcuk | dont thank me :P thank the guys who invented datestamps in the first place |
| 14:44.59 | lcuk | they knew someone like you would come along one day needing it |
| 14:45.06 | lcuk | everyone thought they were heretics |
| 14:45.14 | fiferboy | Someone invented datestamps just for me? |
| 14:45.16 | fiferboy | Awesome |
| 14:46.40 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 14:46.45 | cbx3331 | javispedro around? |
| 14:46.51 | javispedro | yes |
| 14:47.02 | cbx3331 | is that for taking the nokia n810 and displaying it on another screen? |
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| 14:47.13 | cbx3331 | the displaylink driver? |
| 14:47.17 | javispedro | yes... not what you wanted :P |
| 14:47.25 | cbx3331 | nope |
| 14:47.44 | cbx3331 | wanted a way to use the n810s screen for another purpose |
| 14:48.40 | lcuk | vanishes again o |
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| 15:05.13 | talig | RST38h: I think I've just encountered the last ditch on this path. When I try to install my package it says: "unable to install" |
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| 15:05.32 | lcuk | fifer, i notice more io and delays with the database than using exclusively files - for some reason searching for a specific file in a folder of x thousand was still faster than a query on an index field of a table containing 30,000 |
| 15:05.41 | lcuk | fiferboy, |
| 15:06.03 | fiferboy | lcuk: You are using sqlite? |
| 15:06.05 | talig | RST38h: This has to be related to the latest changes, since before it was installing gloriously (needless to say, the app runs perfectly, even though it claims it couldn't install...) |
| 15:06.11 | lcuk | yeah |
| 15:07.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: What do you get returned when you run a query? A list of records? |
| 15:07.16 | X-Fade | Lol, talking about weird version numbers... 2.0.0+cvs20040908+mp4v2+bmp-0ubuntu6maemo1 |
| 15:07.30 | lcuk | no, single column of a single record |
| 15:07.53 | fiferboy | lcuk: What does your query look like? |
| 15:07.56 | lcuk | its just slightly slower - not much, but noticable by myself, and its not noticable at all with a smaller db |
| 15:07.59 | lcuk | (mines over 100mb) |
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| 15:08.55 | lcuk | select datapreview from liqpebble where id=?; |
| 15:09.17 | lcuk | datapreview is a memo |
| 15:09.32 | lcuk | liqpebble contains ~ 30,000 records |
| 15:09.37 | lcuk | id is autonumber index |
| 15:09.47 | fiferboy | lcuk: Are you trying to get a single record or multiple? |
| 15:10.06 | coldboot | Is there something wrong with the maemo repositories? |
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| 15:10.55 | X-Fade | coldboot: How so? |
| 15:11.24 | coldboot | http://pastie.org/572641 |
| 15:11.44 | coldboot | oh nevermind |
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| 15:12.11 | lcuk | fifer, individual thumbnail (or sketch) preview for a specific pebble that has just gone onto screen |
| 15:12.35 | lcuk | i did a qwery when i first brough the whole graffiti wall up, which made all the little items, but did not initialize them |
| 15:13.18 | lcuk | then as each is shown because i scrolled to it |
| 15:13.18 | fiferboy | lcuk: Does adding a LIMIT of 1 speed things up at all? |
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| 15:13.54 | lcuk | i dunno, ill check, but its an indexed autonumber field - the index branch should stop at that one item |
| 15:14.55 | coldboot | Bad permissions. |
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| 16:22.27 | coldboot | Valgrind doesn't work in Scratchbox 2. |
| 16:22.55 | RST38h | Few things do. |
| 16:23.10 | Stskeeps | valgrind doesn't do ARM though, if that's what you're trying |
| 16:23.26 | coldboot | You can't install it on arm, so that question was answered quickly. |
| 16:23.34 | coldboot | Has scratchbox 2 been abandoned? |
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| 16:26.55 | Stskeeps | no, it's in good development still |
| 16:26.56 | Stskeeps | sb1 has |
| 16:27.22 | RST38h | Are they planning to switch Fremantle sdk to sb2 though? |
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| 16:28.44 | Stskeeps | i think the plan is to get rid of sb1 at least, how far that is going is a good question |
| 16:28.51 | Stskeeps | but not sure if it's fremantle or harmattan goal |
| 16:28.57 | Stskeeps | harmattan is clean all the crap up, so .. :P |
| 16:32.54 | GAN800 | This transitional release will suck. |
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| 16:34.30 | timeless | andr__: ping |
| 16:34.39 | timeless | andre__: ping |
| 16:34.47 | javispedro | doubt they're going to ditch sb1 for fremantle, at least not for the first release |
| 16:34.57 | javispedro | (too late I believe) |
| 16:34.59 | timeless | anyone here have a diablo device handy? |
| 16:35.15 | timeless | javispedro: i believe the plan is to officially support sb2 for harmattan |
| 16:35.40 | timeless | (that means there will be officially no support for sb1 for harmattan) |
| 16:36.01 | javispedro | knew he fixed sb1's glibc for nothing ;) |
| 16:36.02 | timeless | that assumes all of the stars in the sky align |
| 16:36.14 | timeless | what's wrong w/ sb1's glibc? |
| 16:36.21 | javispedro | randomized vdso support |
| 16:37.13 | javispedro | (btw, I have my diablo handheld handy but I'm pretty busy, so if it's something quick...) |
| 16:37.26 | Stskeeps | timeless: a good string for menu item 'Lock applets' in hildon desktop (locks the applets so they don't move) in en_US? |
| 16:37.28 | timeless | it's quick |
| 16:37.45 | javispedro | timeless, shoot |
| 16:37.54 | timeless | how does copy work in filemanager? |
| 16:38.04 | timeless | can you try to copy a file to the directory where the file currently lives? |
| 16:38.15 | timeless | if so, what does it do? |
| 16:38.49 | javispedro | creates "original file name (1).original file extension" |
| 16:39.00 | timeless | gah, non stupid behavior |
| 16:39.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: "Fix applet positions"? |
| 16:39.13 | Jaffa | Or "Lock applet positions" |
| 16:39.31 | timeless | Keep applets in place |
| 16:39.40 | Jaffa | ^^^ |
| 16:39.41 | Jaffa | +1 |
| 16:39.44 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: Mer has up-to-date HAM soon btw if you want to play |
| 16:40.06 | javispedro | btw timeless, do you remember about certain bug where "deleting a file in filemanager results in the file being deleted but not disappearing from filelist"? |
| 16:40.16 | timeless | not offhand |
| 16:40.28 | timeless | want me to try something somewhere? |
| 16:40.32 | timeless | i have a fremantle device here |
| 16:40.43 | timeless | its behavior for copy to same directory is um... depressing |
| 16:40.48 | timeless | so i'm looking for funny :) |
| 16:40.53 | timeless | or "FiF" |
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| 16:40.55 | javispedro | not at all, only happens if I set $MYDOCSDIR to something else (so ultra-minimal severity) |
| 16:40.58 | timeless | even FiF would be an improvement |
| 16:41.09 | lardman | afternoon all |
| 16:41.16 | Stskeeps | 'lo lardman |
| 16:41.19 | timeless | hrm, we have such an env var? |
| 16:41.22 | timeless | launches terminal |
| 16:41.32 | Jaffa | timeless: Set in af-init.defs or somesuch IIRC |
| 16:41.35 | lardman | hi Stskeeps |
| 16:42.02 | timeless | indeed, we do |
| 16:42.06 | javispedro | and "taken care of" by gnome-vfs |
| 16:42.13 | javispedro | s/gnome-vfs/hildon-fm/ |
| 16:43.43 | javispedro | my initial guess is that it's setting the wrong inotify watch (maybe hardcoded /home/user/MyDocs), I'll look at it later |
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| 16:46.20 | lardman | any thoughts on a GTK+ widget (C) that will display a bargraph? |
| 16:46.59 | nomis | lardman: you *could* abuse lots of progress bars, but it probably is easier to use a drawingarea and use cairo to draw the graph the way you want it to be. |
| 16:47.04 | lardman | or just write my own? |
| 16:47.15 | lardman | nomis: yeah thought that might be the case |
| 16:47.17 | lardman | cheers |
| 16:47.59 | nomis | (no immediate need to do a "proper" widget, the drawingarea works good unless you need it to be a reusable widget) |
| 16:48.34 | lardman | yep, just a quick hacky thing to see if my data is coming out the right way |
| 16:52.04 | timeless | broke chess 3 or 4 ways today |
| 16:55.43 | timeless | are you more interested in a user != 'user' or a directory != 'MyDocs' |
| 16:56.13 | Stskeeps | $HOME/MyDocs is ok :P |
| 16:56.22 | timeless | btw, have you played w/ mxr.maemo.org/diablo ? |
| 16:56.27 | Stskeeps | using it occasionally |
| 16:56.34 | timeless | i'm basically using the internal twin |
| 16:56.43 | Stskeeps | but $USER == 'user' i'm starting to get doubts about if it's a good thing we force in Mer |
| 16:56.46 | timeless | i might next week try to worry about fremantle xref |
| 16:57.07 | timeless | stskeeps: you mean letting people have other home directory names? |
| 16:57.24 | Stskeeps | we already do that and it breaks things in funny ways |
| 16:57.30 | timeless | nods |
| 16:57.35 | javispedro | it's not a good idea making the whole of hildon dependent on that $USER assumption, think Debian libhildon |
| 16:57.47 | timeless | i think the reality is that these devices are really not going to be multi user |
| 16:58.33 | lardman | agreed |
| 16:58.34 | Stskeeps | timeless: i'm thinking a bit wider than single-device use for Mer and Maemo, hence why i wanted $USER other than 'user' originally |
| 16:59.36 | Stskeeps | heck, when you get something like http://www.gforums.de/daten/joggler2.JPG for your wall, for small money, there might be interesting things possible in the future |
| 17:00.29 | timeless | GNOME_VFS_INOTIFY_DIAG sounds like fun |
| 17:00.49 | javispedro | ah, should be better than my usual "just fill the whole application with printfs" approach |
| 17:01.18 | Stskeeps | ponders if zfs list started requiring -t snapshot to show snapshots |
| 17:01.28 | Stskeeps | i had ~40gb REFER i didn't notice until now |
| 17:01.48 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/ident?i=ik_watch |
| 17:01.55 | timeless | is where i'd go surfing i suppose |
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| 17:02.06 | timeless | that's the gnome vfs thing that calls inotify_add_watch |
| 17:02.27 | javispedro | *** ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.games) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.documents) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.sounds) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.videos) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs/.images) ik_watch(/media/mmc2/MyDocs) |
| 17:02.38 | javispedro | (heh) |
| 17:02.53 | javispedro | so the problem must be somewhere else... |
| 17:03.02 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/05/hello-kitty-limited-edition-casio-exilim-ex-z2-with-12-1-meowgap/ <- hell yes |
| 17:03.12 | timeless | note that i'm just using mxr and picking things that sound interesting |
| 17:03.18 | timeless | i don't actually know this code |
| 17:03.24 | timeless | and believe me, i really really really don't want to know it :) |
| 17:03.59 | javispedro | I just did that, filled with printfs, got a "big trace", but got some real work to do |
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| 17:05.24 | timeless | ok, by the time i got to do_monitor_add, i got lost |
| 17:05.35 | karatchov | Hello, please anybody here is admin to a garage project ? |
| 17:05.47 | GAN800 | Bleh, I still need to theme MXR. |
| 17:05.53 | timeless | gan800: yes |
| 17:06.05 | timeless | karatchov: some random one? surely |
| 17:06.15 | karatchov | i got my project accepted, but I have no idea how to configure the git repository |
| 17:06.25 | karatchov | or how to upload files |
| 17:06.34 | timeless | in the end, that chases to gnome_vfs_monitor_add |
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| 17:07.38 | karatchov | timeless: how do you connect to your account ? |
| 17:07.40 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/diablo/source/libhildonfm-2.0.5/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-storage-dialog.c#1358 |
| 17:07.48 | timeless | karatchov: w/ a web browser :) |
| 17:07.52 | timeless | or svn on rare instances |
| 17:08.08 | Stskeeps | or git over ssh |
| 17:08.16 | timeless | nope, none of my projects are git :) |
| 17:08.27 | timeless | gan800: speaking of garage |
| 17:08.30 | timeless | https://garage.maemo.org/ |
| 17:08.36 | timeless | Home My Page Project Cloud Code Snippets Projectos que Precisam de Ajuda |
| 17:08.50 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:08.54 | javispedro | lol :) |
| 17:08.59 | timeless | porque le no hablas ingles? |
| 17:09.11 | javispedro | that's probably portuguese |
| 17:09.14 | karatchov | ok thanks, how do you change de default web page of http://projectxyz.garage.maemo.org ? |
| 17:09.36 | timeless | karatchov: we have a www/index.html in svn |
| 17:09.42 | GAN800 | Garage |
| 17:09.49 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/www/index.html |
| 17:09.51 | GAN800 | GForge is so evil. |
| 17:09.55 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/www/index.html?raw=1 |
| 17:10.08 | timeless | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser/www/index.html?force=1 |
| 17:10.11 | Stskeeps | kinda likes gitorious atm |
| 17:10.40 | karatchov | i suppose it's the same for git |
| 17:10.49 | timeless | dunno, but i'd hope so :) |
| 17:10.50 | javispedro | thinks that with the suggestion to use bugs.maemo.org as "bugzilla" garage loses a bit of importance |
| 17:11.15 | timeless | yep |
| 17:11.24 | karatchov | anybody here have an idea how to configure a garage git repository |
| 17:11.30 | timeless | bugzilla+gitorious pretty much replaces garage |
| 17:11.45 | GAN800 | VCS, permissions and file hosting. |
| 17:11.56 | karatchov | I created an account in github, and got everything running correctly in about 15 mints |
| 17:12.18 | javispedro | GAN800, and mailing lists I assume |
| 17:12.25 | timeless | gan800: anyway, could someone please get rid of that non english text from garage? |
| 17:12.26 | GAN800 | ah, right. |
| 17:12.29 | karatchov | and more than 4 days trying to access garage's git |
| 17:12.34 | timeless | it's been there for months (if not years) |
| 17:12.36 | GAN800 | though the ml aren't used very often; |
| 17:12.48 | GAN800 | timeless, bug filed? |
| 17:12.57 | timeless | the first thing i did when i got admin access on garage was disable the lists/bug areas |
| 17:13.07 | javispedro | bah, I'm not getting work done (sorry), so brb |
| 17:13.08 | GAN800 | Prod X-Fade, bergie or ferenc. I have no access. |
| 17:13.40 | timeless | hrm, i thought i filed one |
| 17:13.41 | timeless | but i can't find it |
| 17:14.19 | GAN800 | timeless, file again and I'm sure sjgadsby or andre__ will dupe if appropriate. ;) |
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| 17:15.32 | timeless | Bug 4881 Submitted |
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| 17:16.12 | timeless | hrm, andre__ is away: ... |
| 17:16.22 | timeless | considers filing bugs about chess |
| 17:16.36 | timeless | oh, anyone here have diablo? :) |
| 17:16.59 | caotic | So my dog trip over the charger cable of my brand new 810, the device fell, and the AC input is busted, I notice it since I left it charging and now the batery is completely drain out, usb doesnt seem to charge the device by default ... any ideas :( |
| 17:17.23 | timeless | caotic: train your dog not to trip over chargers :) |
| 17:17.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Dispose of the dog to make sure it doesn't happen again? |
| 17:17.33 | Stskeeps | caotic: check if it's the charger that's a problem or the pin inside the device |
| 17:17.53 | caotic | Stskeeps: the pin |
| 17:17.56 | timeless | the e61i is compatible w/ the n810 |
| 17:17.58 | Stskeeps | caotic: if it's the pin inside the device, with a torx T4 and voiding your warranty if any, it's fairly easy to replace if you find one |
| 17:18.11 | Stskeeps | i dismantled a dead 770 to get mine :) |
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| 17:18.17 | timeless | heh |
| 17:18.23 | Stskeeps | anyway, if it's brand new, use your warranty |
| 17:18.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 17:18.30 | timeless | a friend used his teeth to extract my charger pin from my e61i |
| 17:18.53 | Stskeeps | caotic: also, there might actually be a possibility to fix it by just pushing back out the pin after finding it inside the device |
| 17:18.58 | timeless | the e61i and n810 use the same battery, which made them a good set of devices |
| 17:19.21 | caotic | Stskeeps: bought in a different coutry :(, I am reevaluating having a dog |
| 17:19.35 | timeless | if you don't mind risking your device, i think someone explained how to enable your usb port to be used for charging |
| 17:19.43 | timeless | wouldn't do that |
| 17:19.53 | Stskeeps | hm, i wouldn't mind seeing that guide |
| 17:20.21 | GAN800 | It's on Talk somewhere. |
| 17:21.28 | sjgadsby | Stskeeps: Guide for 770 USB charging: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7061 |
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| 17:22.46 | timeless | sjgadsby: do you keep that stuff bookmarked? |
| 17:23.09 | timeless | anyway... i still need a diablo device |
| 17:23.10 | sjgadsby | timeless: That one? No. Google. |
| 17:23.16 | timeless | doesn't want to turn one on here |
| 17:23.35 | timeless | gives up and reaches across the desk |
| 17:24.57 | Stskeeps | ponders idly on the easter egg discussion on iTT |
| 17:25.14 | Stskeeps | was it on n800 or n810 schematics people checked if tv out was actually wired up? |
| 17:25.41 | Luke-Jr | O.o;; |
| 17:25.47 | timeless | wonders how to use bluetooth |
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| 17:40.09 | esaym153 | are there any other alarm apps for the os2008? I don't like the one it comes with. When I set an alarm and set it to play an mp3 it only plays a few seconds of the mp3 before going into snooze |
| 17:40.30 | Stskeeps | thus reflecting real life usage |
| 17:40.34 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 17:41.42 | chx | yeah the clock and alarm usage leaves a lot to be desired |
| 17:42.03 | chx | however, i found this flip clock app which can (finally!) cover the whole screen with a HUGE clock |
| 17:42.09 | chx | extremely handy when presenting |
| 17:42.22 | chx | now if i could get the damned blacklight to stay on.... |
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| 17:46.29 | esaym153 | chx: what is the name of the default alarm? it is not alarmd which I see in the ps list... |
| 17:46.37 | esaym153 | I don't think at least |
| 17:46.46 | chx | no clue.... sorry |
| 17:47.00 | esaym153 | how to find out? lol |
| 17:47.32 | chx | google is your friend? |
| 17:50.18 | esaym153 | hmm |
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| 17:54.41 | fiferboy | esaym153: alarmd is the process that triggers the alarms |
| 17:54.50 | fiferboy | osso_worldclock is the application that sets the alarms |
| 17:54.56 | esaym153 | that is what I figured |
| 17:54.58 | esaym153 | oh ok |
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| 17:58.19 | esaym153 | can't find the source code hhmm |
| 18:00.03 | lardman | Stskeeps: it's not wired up |
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| 18:01.21 | lardman | Stskeeps: checked on both iirc |
| 18:01.26 | lardman | was a while back though |
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| 18:04.01 | chx | I might be a complete idiot but i seem to remember there was a way to set up an intenret connection via phone where it asked for your provider and had a big list of providers.. cant seem to find it now htough |
| 18:05.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Control Panel -> (Menu) -> Tools -> Mobile operator setup wizard |
| 18:09.31 | chx | dangit |
| 18:09.35 | chx | that's quite well hidden |
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| 18:18.08 | chx | OOOOOO it rotates! |
| 18:19.43 | GAN800 | chx, MoreDimmingOptions |
| 18:20.01 | GAN800 | chx, normally it's run on first boot. |
| 18:20.25 | chx | GAN800: where is more dimming options? |
| 18:20.58 | GAN800 | chx, should be in Downloads. |
| 18:21.22 | chx | ah |
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| 18:21.45 | chx | which repo? extras seemingly isnt enough |
| 18:28.19 | timeless | ok, i should earn a bprize |
| 18:28.26 | timeless | i got the chess app into a cool state |
| 18:28.34 | timeless | it says "game paused" |
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| 18:28.49 | timeless | but all of the buttons, drop downs, check boxes, and menu items are disabled |
| 18:28.58 | timeless | you can tap on the menu area to see the menu box |
| 18:29.20 | timeless | but you can't get rid of the menu using the touch screen :) |
| 18:29.53 | timeless | there are only two items which respond to touch, the main app launcher, and the "recent" item |
| 18:30.05 | timeless | the former seems to "work", the latter helpfully says "not available" |
| 18:30.19 | timeless | (and no, you can't close the app by clicking on the 'x' in the top right corner) |
| 18:30.37 | timeless | or from the switcher in the bottom left for that matter |
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| 18:39.18 | lardman | timeless: is that just as it noticed that you were about to get checkmate and it decided to not let you win? |
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| 18:43.33 | lardman | laughs at the Pandora wordpress unofficial roadmap |
| 18:43.39 | Stskeeps | url? :P |
| 18:43.47 | lardman | http://openpandora.wordpress.com/roadmap/ |
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| 18:44.11 | lardman | http://openpandora.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/new-blog-feature-unofficial-roadmap/ is the reason though: "it looks like the dreaded Two Months meme may have finally breathed its last" |
| 18:44.28 | Stskeeps | vaporware |
| 18:44.39 | lardman | I imagine it will turn up eventually |
| 18:44.46 | lardman | where eventually is the operative word |
| 18:45.15 | lardman | I reckon by christmas anyway, only 2/3 years late |
| 18:45.30 | Stskeeps | i still think it's irony that a chinese manufactorer saw openness of a nokia n800, put out a product, sold great, and openpandora takes this long.. |
| 18:45.33 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:46.18 | lardman | yeah, well it must be hard starting up like that, but the little fibs about when things will be done and how far along they are, are the things that annoys me |
| 18:46.39 | lardman | s/little fibs/"little fibs" |
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| 18:48.09 | lardman | so, GStreamer gurus, if I want to display some data I've processed, do I need to either write it to a global variable and protect that with a semaphore, or pass the data to the callback, or what? |
| 18:48.30 | lardman | i.e. data from the GStreamer pipeline callback fn, process, do something with it |
| 18:48.59 | derf | lardman: Ask in #gstreamer |
| 18:49.17 | lardman | ah, good point |
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| 18:49.35 | lardman | I may have a hack first and see what comes crashing down, then ask :) |
| 18:49.48 | derf | Like a true engineer. |
| 18:49.54 | lardman | of course :) |
| 18:49.58 | javispedro | "suck it up and see", it's called :) |
| 18:50.22 | lardman | have to make sure I've something to spit out |
| 18:53.25 | GAN800 | chx, not in repo. It's on Downloads. |
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| 18:54.39 | esaym153 | waht is a good way to schedule a perl scrip to run every day? |
| 18:55.13 | chx | GAN800: go website, find it, download? |
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| 18:56.46 | javispedro | who I have to bother if garage.maemo.org is rejecting my ssh key? |
| 18:57.53 | esaym153 | anyone know where the source code for osso_worldclock is? |
| 18:59.02 | Stskeeps | css |
| 19:00.52 | Stskeeps | timeless: got time for a talk on how to manage a dvcs with translations in #mer? catchup on bottom of http://trac.tspre.org/merlogs/2009-08-05.html |
| 19:02.42 | fiferboy | esaym153: I'm pretty sure the source is not released for that application |
| 19:02.57 | esaym153 | UGH |
| 19:03.03 | esaym153 | then how do I hack it? |
| 19:03.39 | fiferboy | I guess you don't :( |
| 19:03.54 | fiferboy | You could write a better alarm app using alarmd |
| 19:04.05 | esaym153 | is there a config file for it or anything? |
| 19:04.23 | esaym153 | I hate how it only plays a few seconds of a song when the alarm goes orff |
| 19:04.58 | fiferboy | I think it probably stores some setting in GConf |
| 19:05.22 | esaym153 | where is that |
| 19:06.19 | fiferboy | It is a central settings storage, there should be a gconf tool in extras to view/change settings |
| 19:07.10 | fiferboy | esaym153: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/gconf-editor/ |
| 19:07.42 | esaym153 | hmm |
| 19:07.59 | lcuk | pupnik_ |
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| 19:09.15 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:10.19 | lcuk | lobs an unseasonable snowball @ lardman |
| 19:11.36 | esaym153 | installing... |
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| 19:12.54 | esaym153 | anyway |
| 19:12.54 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 19:13.04 | esaym153 | waht is a good way to run a scrip every now and then? |
| 19:13.14 | esaym153 | I have a perl script that backs up a file |
| 19:13.17 | Stskeeps | alarmd interfacing |
| 19:13.50 | esaym153 | I am thinking about just adding it to /etc/network/if.up atleast it would get run every time the internet gets messed with... |
| 19:13.59 | esaym153 | alarmd has to be programmed into the program right? |
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| 19:14.47 | fiferboy | esaym153: You can just add an entry to the alarmd xml file |
| 19:15.00 | esaym153 | oh awesome |
| 19:17.10 | esaym153 | searchs for alarmd xml file |
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| 19:32.43 | esaym153 | yea I don't know about using the alarmd stuff |
| 19:33.02 | esaym153 | is there any file that gets polled often so that I can just add my script to that? |
| 19:34.01 | esaym153 | wonders if there is a script somewhere that gets ran everytime the charger is plugged in... |
| 19:36.17 | johnsq | esaym153: search initfs and bootmenu.sh |
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| 19:43.31 | lardman | anyone know off the top of their heads what the width & height are with the menu bar and task bar showing? |
| 19:43.44 | lardman | width & height of the main window that is |
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| 19:45.44 | esaym153 | hmm, I guess I could just make my scrip run in a loop and sleep for days at a time.. that might work. Eat memory though |
| 19:46.40 | lardman | esaym153: there is a script somewhere, there were some extensions floating about to allow you to hook into these events |
| 19:46.45 | lardman | can't remember the name though |
| 19:46.48 | lardman | anyone? |
| 19:46.52 | esaym153 | hmm |
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| 19:52.48 | fiferboy | esaym153: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12572 |
| 19:52.54 | fiferboy | Have you looked at cron yet? |
| 19:53.43 | lardman | esaym153: you could sit and listen on dbus for the charger event |
| 19:54.01 | lardman | http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/#sysdbus is old, but should be similar to nowadays |
| 19:54.25 | esaym153 | yea I thought about cron |
| 19:54.59 | lardman | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg06634.html |
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| 19:56.17 | lardman | that one looks ideal, here's the direct link: http://www.cobb.uk.net/770/#dbus-scripts |
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| 20:07.37 | mmatth | sb2/harmattan question: just installed maemo sdk. when i try to run the emulator it's telling me that GLIBC_2.8 isn't found... |
| 20:08.07 | Stskeeps | isn't harmattan a bit early to ask about? :) |
| 20:08.12 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:08.13 | mmatth | yes, this is a total noob or n00b question... but what am i missing here? |
| 20:08.17 | woglinde | I thought that myself |
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| 20:09.21 | Stskeeps | mmatth: what OS are you running on host? |
| 20:10.02 | mmatth | ubuntu 9.04 |
| 20:10.11 | Stskeeps | should be okay.. |
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| 20:11.21 | RST38h | ok, reboot |
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| 20:16.44 | javispedro | i am sick of trying to use "root" & "rootsh" on my desktop PC |
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| 20:26.13 | RST38h | javis: ? |
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| 20:31.42 | javispedro | RST38h, I use "rootsh" on the tablet, but my brain needs to get used to switching to sudo again on my desktop |
| 20:49.21 | RST38h | ah that |
| 20:49.36 | RST38h | javis: simply use ssh localhost on the tablet |
| 20:49.59 | RST38h | this way you won't need the kludgy rootsh thing |
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| 20:52.57 | Proteous | Bad RST38h, teaching all the kids to ssh into root accounts |
| 20:53.07 | RST38h | so? |
| 20:53.20 | RST38h | you suggest telnet instead? =) |
| 20:53.28 | woglinde | ftp |
| 20:54.15 | lcuk | semaphore |
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| 21:05.38 | mmatth | i checked the info for libc6 in sb2, and it's showing version 2.5.1-1eglibc12+harmattan+0m6 |
| 21:07.25 | mmatth | in light of the error i mentioned previously, should i be expecting this to show up as version 2.8.x in order to run the x86 emulator? |
| 21:07.58 | fiferboy | lcuk: I've got thumbnails stored in my database now |
| 21:08.07 | lcuk | \o/ |
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| 21:08.23 | Proteous | I keep my thumbnais firmly attached to my thumbs |
| 21:08.35 | Proteous | except for the bits I clip off now and then |
| 21:08.36 | fiferboy | It is much quicker to load once the thumbnails are stored, and it will update the thumbnail if the datestamp is different |
| 21:08.50 | woglinde | fiferboy hehe |
| 21:10.48 | lcuk | :) fiferboy nice |
| 21:11.06 | fiferboy | lcuk: Thanks for the idea, I like it much better now |
| 21:12.34 | woglinde | fiferboy and sqlite is fast enough? |
| 21:12.57 | fiferboy | woglinde: It isn't blazing, but it suffices |
| 21:12.57 | lcuk | woglinde, i have a 100mb database |
| 21:13.09 | lcuk | and im doing basically the same as i was before |
| 21:13.28 | woglinde | lcuk hm okay |
| 21:13.41 | lcuk | depends how you are using it i suppose |
| 21:13.50 | lcuk | if you treat it like a desktop db it might get hairy |
| 21:15.02 | lcuk | woglinde, lots of apps use sqlite engine now underneath |
| 21:15.11 | fiferboy | I don't really like it for on-demand data loading, but that is how lcuk uses it |
| 21:15.12 | lcuk | with even bigger datasets (map apps) |
| 21:15.26 | fiferboy | I might have to look into going on-demand again, in a smarter way |
| 21:15.36 | lcuk | limit 1 doesnt make much difference btw |
| 21:15.49 | fiferboy | Dang |
| 21:15.53 | lcuk | thanks for suggestion |
| 21:16.15 | lcuk | its not bad, im probably thinking with rose tints ;) |
| 21:16.37 | woglinde | lcuk yes |
| 21:16.47 | woglinde | but there are some problems |
| 21:17.04 | fiferboy | Is it strange that my Qt application seems slower on the desktop (in virtualbox) than on my tablet? |
| 21:17.22 | lcuk | no, emulation is hard |
| 21:17.27 | woglinde | right |
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| 21:18.15 | lcuk | thats probably a good thing tho fiferboy, optimize it on the emulator which is slower - make it work well there, and it will be shithot where you need it |
| 21:18.37 | fiferboy | Okay, just wondering if it was possible that I made my program run slower on higer-end somehow ;) |
| 21:18.49 | lcuk | hows it run natively on the same machine |
| 21:19.15 | fiferboy | I haven't compiled it natively lately, but I recall it being much smoother, so there is probably no issue |
| 21:19.22 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:19.34 | lcuk | have you noticed that kinetic doesnt "feel" right on desktop with mouse |
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| 21:19.58 | mmatth | and when i try to update libc6 in sb2 i'm being told i'm already on the latest version. any ideas on getting off glibc 2.5 in sb2 to >= 2.8 ? |
| 21:20.08 | lcuk | i hate using grab-drag in acrobat (but love the little flexing hand mouse cursor) |
| 21:20.33 | fiferboy | Yes, kinetic seems out of place with a mouse |
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| 21:20.38 | lcuk | mmatth, in sb2 you have harmattan libs? |
| 21:20.55 | RST38h | lcuk: that is because you have to use a live mouse |
| 21:21.17 | RST38h | lcuk: so that it is kinetically authentic |
| 21:21.35 | lcuk | i tried that, but everytime i try to display a file in the console it ran away |
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| 21:21.58 | lcuk | example: |
| 21:22.00 | lcuk | > cat myfile |
| 21:22.17 | fiferboy | lcuk: Have you tried kinetic on mouse wheel scroll? |
| 21:22.21 | woglinde | hm |
| 21:22.27 | coldboot | Is there a way to give sb1 access to your home directory? |
| 21:22.29 | woglinde | I should try tbb at least |
| 21:22.37 | lcuk | coldboot, symlink |
| 21:22.39 | coldboot | Apparently I can't do hard links for directories, and sb1 doesn't like soft links. |
| 21:22.48 | javispedro | coldboot, bind mount |
| 21:22.52 | lcuk | make the symlink OUTSIDE sb |
| 21:22.55 | coldboot | javispedro: That'll be it. |
| 21:22.59 | lcuk | but pointing to the right folder |
| 21:23.00 | mmatth | lcuk, yes prerelease & current rootstraps |
| 21:23.05 | lcuk | cool |
| 21:23.23 | lcuk | coldboot, i did the same for a while using sshfs |
| 21:23.31 | coldboot | lcuk: So give an example? I have ~/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooey and I want it to point to ~/ |
| 21:23.50 | coldboot | Both of those paths are displayed relative to root, not inside sb1 or anything. |
| 21:24.04 | coldboot | I installed scratchbox in ~/scratchbox |
| 21:24.42 | fiferboy | coldboot: I've had that problem too |
| 21:24.44 | johnsq | coldboot: hardlinks |
| 21:25.06 | fiferboy | Usually when I want to access something in sb from outside its fs I push it there from outside |
| 21:25.10 | javispedro | hardlinks don't work for directories neither cross-filesystem |
| 21:25.44 | coldboot | fiferboy: Then you'll get synching problems. |
| 21:25.54 | coldboot | It would be nice if sb2 didn't suck so much. It's design is better. |
| 21:25.57 | johnsq | javispedro: iirc linux support hardlinks on dirs, but not across filesystems |
| 21:26.07 | woglinde | coldboot hm |
| 21:26.08 | lcuk | isnt it ln -s /home/coldboot /home/coldboot/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooe |
| 21:26.24 | woglinde | I had more problems with sb1 |
| 21:26.28 | coldboot | lcuk: Scratchbox complains that there's too many levels of symlinks. |
| 21:26.30 | fiferboy | coldboot: What are you trying to access? |
| 21:26.46 | coldboot | woglinde: Me too, but I hit ceilings in sb2 where something simply isn't possible. Like using gdb or valgrind. |
| 21:26.51 | lcuk | scratchbox shouldnt know its a symlink tho? unless its recursively scanning |
| 21:26.56 | coldboot | fiferboy: I just want my home dir in scratchbox to be my actual home dir. |
| 21:27.06 | lcuk | when you make the link its not done as part of sb |
| 21:27.07 | coldboot | lcuk: Yeah I don't know what it's complaining about. |
| 21:27.19 | coldboot | lcuk: It is reading it from outside at some level, though. |
| 21:27.20 | lcuk | does it work when its not universe imploding? |
| 21:27.28 | Mek | you can use mount --bind to mount some dir somewhere else in you fs |
| 21:27.32 | javispedro | binding works pretty well and it's fastest, and since sb1 makes _a lot_ of bind mounts either way |
| 21:27.36 | lcuk | ln -s /usr/share /home/coldboot/scratchbox/users/nhooey/home/nhooe |
| 21:28.55 | coldboot | lcuk: Ah, that worked. |
| 21:29.18 | lcuk | and since scratchbox is normally installed in / |
| 21:29.19 | coldboot | lcuk: Ah, it's because my scratchbox is in my home. |
| 21:29.32 | coldboot | Hmmmm... |
| 21:30.02 | coldboot | lcuk: I'll put it in /home/scratchbox |
| 21:30.47 | lcuk | im lucky in that respect, my scratchbox machine is used only for sb |
| 21:30.53 | lcuk | in dev sense anyway |
| 21:31.09 | coldboot | I didn't have space on / |
| 21:31.09 | lcuk | so i just move all files into the correct sb portion |
| 21:31.48 | javispedro | now that I can use my main machine for sb1, I just lvm-create'd a /scratchbox 10G partition, some binds, and are working very happy right now :) |
| 21:32.44 | lcuk | i just add the repos to my n810, and get the build-deps required and work happy too :) |
| 21:33.50 | javispedro | I still consider on-device development cruel :) |
| 21:34.19 | lcuk | its fast |
| 21:34.25 | lcuk | i just cant get my work off it ;) |
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| 21:38.55 | pupnik_ | "Apple earned just over $5 billion in the first half of the year, making it the fifth biggest player in terms of revenue, behind Nokia, Samsung, RIM, and LG. Apple lead the world in actually making money however, with just over $2 billion in operating profits." |
| 21:39.01 | copumpkin | I forgot the password I set on an n800... is there some way I can start it up in single-user mode to fix it? |
| 21:39.08 | pupnik_ | i thought they were goners in the 90s |
| 21:39.46 | lcuk | pupnik_, \o many people did |
| 21:40.21 | copumpkin | I just need to recover some files in my home folder, so I don't want to reflash the whole thing |
| 21:40.44 | pupnik_ | there's a password? |
| 21:40.57 | javispedro | copumpkin, you mean the "device code"? |
| 21:41.03 | copumpkin | nah, I mean my user password |
| 21:41.06 | copumpkin | I had ssh etc. set up on it |
| 21:41.22 | pupnik_ | did you change root pw? |
| 21:41.23 | copumpkin | using that red/blue pill thing that was hidden in the package manager, iirc |
| 21:41.26 | copumpkin | yeah |
| 21:41.31 | copumpkin | well, I think I did |
| 21:41.35 | copumpkin | do you know what the default is? |
| 21:41.55 | javispedro | if you can boot the device just install rootsh and do as you wish |
| 21:41.58 | pupnik_ | i did but not right now |
| 21:42.05 | copumpkin | it's rootme, but that didn't work |
| 21:42.17 | copumpkin | javispedro: yeah, it boots fine, I'm just stuck in the wrong user |
| 21:42.26 | javispedro | wrong user? |
| 21:42.42 | copumpkin | well I created a user on the device whose password I forgot :P |
| 21:42.45 | copumpkin | and now I'm locked out |
| 21:43.41 | javispedro | that makes no sense. the device boots root, then should su to "user", no way for you to get locked out unless you borked the init scripts |
| 21:44.28 | javispedro | and if you created an extra user, just gain root and do passwd as you please |
| 21:45.17 | coldboot | lcuk: It interprets the links literally and doesn't work. |
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| 21:45.21 | coldboot | lcuk: Bind mount |
| 21:45.21 | javispedro | and it's "rootsh", at least in Diablo |
| 21:45.39 | pupnik_ | javispedro: can rootsh gain a root shell if root pw was changed? |
| 21:45.48 | qwerty12_N810 | yes, rootsh is setuid |
| 21:45.54 | javispedro | ^^ :) |
| 21:46.09 | pupnik_ | handy |
| 21:46.11 | javispedro | afaik, root uses sudo |
| 21:46.13 | javispedro | rootsh is setuid |
| 21:46.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Which is why I left it in there :) |
| 21:46.51 | copumpkin | lol |
| 21:46.56 | copumpkin | john the ripper got it in 26 seconds |
| 21:47.04 | copumpkin | I'd set it to something really easy so I could let a coworker on |
| 21:47.25 | javispedro | not impressed. the tablet does not use shadow. |
| 21:48.10 | qwerty12_N810 | With a device lock code that can be easily obtained; the tablet isn't about security :P |
| 21:48.29 | copumpkin | well I'm glad :P |
| 21:48.45 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, I'm worried about that. If I put in a code, then shut the thing down, will I be able to recover? |
| 21:49.05 | javispedro | (of course having forgotten the code) |
| 21:49.37 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep. I once made a custom initfs image that spit out the code as the tablet started :) |
| 21:50.27 | javispedro | ah, nice :) |
| 21:51.00 | copumpkin | thanks everyone :) |
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| 22:00.18 | lardman | ~curse segfaults |
| 22:00.19 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, segfaults ! |
| 22:00.35 | coldboot | haha |
| 22:00.43 | coldboot | ~curse lardman |
| 22:00.44 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, lardman ! |
| 22:00.48 | lardman | oi! |
| 22:00.52 | lcuk | ~lart coldboot |
| 22:00.52 | infobot | does a little 'renice 20 -u coldboot' |
| 22:00.57 | lardman | that's beyond the pale |
| 22:02.31 | coldboot | ~nice coldboot |
| 22:02.32 | infobot | ACTION lowers coldboot's priority |
| 22:02.46 | coldboot | ~nice -20 coldboot |
| 22:02.47 | infobot | ACTION lowers -20 coldboot's priority |
| 22:03.07 | coldboot | ~nice or rather... raises coldboot |
| 22:03.07 | infobot | ACTION lowers or rather... raises coldboot's priority |
| 22:03.11 | coldboot | ha |
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| 22:28.50 | pupnik_ | i seem to recall someone had the bright idea for a bot that would respond to chat without any special metacharacter to invoke it |
| 22:29.10 | pupnik | took care of that, didn't we |
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| 22:33.04 | wazd | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/08/img_1677_540x405.png <- Zune HD is really sexy device |
| 22:34.47 | nomis | eek. teh colors! |
| 22:34.51 | lcuk | wazd, aww, we cant call it a turd anymore |
| 22:35.54 | javispedro | tahoma... |
| 22:36.47 | lcuk | no need to swear |
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| 22:43.42 | wazd | I wonder if n900 will have proper color depth screen |
| 22:44.15 | wazd | It will be a great mistake to spoil such a baby with old screen :( |
| 22:45.01 | pupnik | you mean 24 bit or what wazd |
| 22:45.29 | wazd | pupnik: yep |
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| 22:46.07 | wazd | I bought n800 mostly for it's screen :) |
| 22:46.38 | Mek | don't the fremantle sdk instructions tell you to start xephy in 16bpp mode? |
| 22:46.47 | tbf | wazd: what do you call proper color depth? |
| 22:46.50 | wazd | I can imagine future buyers that will come to the Nokia store, look at the n900 and say "omfg, what a screen, gimme two!11" :) |
| 22:47.25 | pupnik | i hope to see the n900 *in* stores |
| 22:47.39 | pupnik | haven't seen a tablet on display in germany anywhere yet |
| 22:47.50 | wazd | tbf: Like all modern displays (Pre/iPhone/Hero) - 24 bpp |
| 22:48.21 | tbf | wazd: well, 24 or even 32 bits means more data to transfer... causing higher power consumption |
| 22:48.36 | wazd | tbf: 32 is an overkill :) |
| 22:48.51 | tbf | wazd: and 16 bit with dithering can also look quite neat on 16 bpp i guess |
| 22:49.05 | tbf | wazd: with that high screen res |
| 22:49.11 | wazd | tbf: yes, but trust me, they totally worth that power |
| 22:49.38 | wazd | tbf: that's not only gradients that look bad |
| 22:49.44 | lcuk | the screen can handle 24bit color, its just desktop resolution has option of being 16bit |
| 22:51.14 | wazd | lcuk: current or future? |
| 22:51.17 | lcuk | current |
| 22:51.22 | wazd | lcuk: oh |
| 22:51.27 | lcuk | running in yuv mode is 24bit colordepth |
| 22:51.34 | lcuk | even tho desktop is 16 |
| 22:51.51 | wazd | lcuk: that sucks :) |
| 22:52.01 | lcuk | nahhh ;) just show people movies lol |
| 22:52.27 | lcuk | hows the kb now |
| 22:53.11 | pupnik | the physical screen on n810 can do > 16bpp? |
| 22:53.59 | lcuk | well liqbase runs and a pixel is 8bit luma + 16 bits of chroma |
| 22:54.25 | lcuk | 65k colors for each level of luma |
| 22:55.12 | pupnik | my brain must adapt to this information |
| 22:55.37 | javispedro | aha, so the one setting the inotify watchpoints is "gnome-vfs-filechooser-backend". ok, bring it to the party! |
| 22:55.42 | pupnik | i don't know enough how lcd controllers work |
| 22:55.55 | wazd | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090208_205336.lib.scr.png <- well, this shot kinda proves it :) |
| 22:56.11 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:56.19 | lcuk | proves what? that its higher or lower? |
| 22:56.49 | lcuk | its normally me that digs out images like that lol, where did you have that saved ? |
| 22:56.54 | wazd | lcuk: that kiqbase runs in 24bpp :) |
| 22:57.10 | wazd | lcuk: google :) |
| 22:57.14 | lcuk | :O |
| 22:57.40 | lcuk | i have google images of my pics :D |
| 22:57.51 | lcuk | i didnt know that, i never clicked |
| 22:57.56 | lcuk | liqbase used to have nothing :$ |
| 22:58.05 | lardman | hmm, anyone noticed that GstAppSink isn't present in our version of GStreamer? |
| 22:59.01 | pupnik | so... apps can't be on receivingn end of an audio stream? |
| 22:59.29 | lcuk | they must be mustnt they>? |
| 22:59.41 | javispedro | with all that dsp trickyness |
| 22:59.41 | lardman | appsink allows you to manually grab at the data |
| 22:59.50 | lardman | rather than writing your own GStreamer sink element |
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| 23:13.26 | lardman | Stskeeps: what version of GStreamer are you using with Mer out of interest? |
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| 23:37.41 | Macer | hm n810 showed up |
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| 23:40.16 | lardman | night all |
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