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| 00:10.03 | doc|home | is it just me or have there been almost no updates to maemo in a long long time? |
| 00:10.11 | doc|home | (for the n800) |
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| 00:30.30 | Macer | oh |
| 00:30.39 | Macer | doc|home: there are plenty of updates |
| 00:30.46 | Macer | :) they just aren't whole operating systems |
| 00:31.03 | Macer | i would guess on what you would consider an "update" |
| 00:31.08 | doc|home | Macer: but I'm not even getting app updates |
| 00:31.18 | Macer | well.. when something works.... ? |
| 00:31.20 | doc|home | there used to be lots of small application updates, now, nothing in ages |
| 00:31.27 | Macer | why bother updating? look at vista ;) |
| 00:31.31 | doc|home | Macer: heh, not for me. e.g. browser crapping out for no good reason |
| 00:31.37 | Macer | oh |
| 00:31.43 | Macer | doc|home: nevrer had a problem with teh browser |
| 00:31.58 | doc|home | I've had it just quit |
| 00:32.00 | doc|home | lots |
| 00:32.00 | Macer | and i'm pretty sure it doesn't matter n800 to n810.. other than a couple more pieces of hardware it's pretty much the same stuff |
| 00:32.04 | doc|home | yeah |
| 00:32.09 | Macer | doc|home: using swap? ;) |
| 00:32.17 | Macer | maybe you burned out your sd using the swap or you don't have one? |
| 00:32.25 | doc|home | I mentioned the n800 as opposed to what is probably being done for whatever they have planned for after |
| 00:32.31 | doc|home | Macer: how do I check? |
| 00:32.41 | Macer | it's in the config somewhere |
| 00:32.47 | Macer | under memory i think? |
| 00:32.51 | doc|home | looks |
| 00:32.53 | Macer | i know large web sites (that use a lot of mem) |
| 00:33.00 | Macer | will crush an n800 |
| 00:33.04 | Macer | and a slow sd doesn't help either |
| 00:33.13 | Macer | you should have a class6 at the least a class4 |
| 00:33.24 | doc|home | mine doesn't exactly do much, it's mainly an alarm clock + minimal web browsing machine right now |
| 00:33.25 | Macer | (if you are using the swap) |
| 00:33.27 | doc|home | yeah, it's class six |
| 00:33.48 | Macer | well.. i know in the maemo settings there is an option to create a swap file on the fat32 sd |
| 00:34.02 | doc|home | Macer: hmmm, says 128mb and external virtual memory is unchecked |
| 00:34.14 | Macer | yeah |
| 00:34.19 | Macer | the external virtual memory is your sd swap ;) |
| 00:34.25 | Macer | turn it on.. give it as much as you can.. and try again |
| 00:34.28 | doc|home | ok |
| 00:34.37 | doc|home | it's not really reproducible, just happens a bit |
| 00:34.40 | doc|home | too often |
| 00:34.45 | Macer | yeah.. probably running out of mem |
| 00:35.05 | doc|home | anywho, that's a bit of a digression :) just wondering am I missing minor updates or are they just not coming out? |
| 00:35.19 | Macer | doc|home: probably not coming out ;) |
| 00:35.22 | Macer | maemo is rather stale |
| 00:35.38 | Macer | everybody is kind of anticipating the next big arm |
| 00:35.39 | Macer | heh |
| 00:35.43 | doc|home | Macer: er, wait, that's not going to wipe out my memory card, is it? :) |
| 00:35.50 | Macer | no |
| 00:35.52 | Macer | just put a file on it |
| 00:35.53 | doc|home | ok, cool |
| 00:35.59 | doc|home | max is 128mb? |
| 00:40.35 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, Mer |
| 00:40.36 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 00:40.37 | infobot | somebody said mer was http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer, or on #mer |
| 00:40.40 | GeneralAntilles | OS2008 is dead |
| 00:41.37 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: is it production ready? |
| 00:41.45 | doc|home | well, ok, production not being the right word :) |
| 00:42.03 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: would be nice if there was a way to tell people. I don't follow things that closely. no time :/ |
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| 00:48.37 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, planet.maemo.org is usually decent to catch up. |
| 00:48.49 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: yep, but casual users won't ever check that :/ |
| 00:48.56 | doc|home | i.e. the average consumer |
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| 00:49.07 | GeneralAntilles | No, but there'll be a bigger marketing blitz once it's actually production ready |
| 00:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | Expect to see it on Engadget, etc. ;) |
| 00:49.32 | nai1sirk | anyone seen the "mini n97"? Could be the new maemophone? |
| 00:50.24 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: ok, would be nice if the updater itself even just popped up a message |
| 00:50.28 | doc|home | just an idea |
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| 00:52.23 | nai1sirk | I'll just keep on talking:-) It's pictured on engadget, looks way better than the n900 leaked shots, and has the exact same keyboard as the concept one |
| 00:52.59 | nai1sirk | I'd actually buy this one, if it is the "n900" that is |
| 00:55.00 | nai1sirk | It also has a huge tape covering the area where you would find the buttons for switching apps,and return, ig it's identical with n810 |
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| 00:59.15 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, that'd require Nokia to certify Mer. |
| 00:59.21 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, not going to happen. |
| 00:59.46 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, besides, it's a very fundamental change in the base system. It'd be like upgrading from Ubuntu to Debian. |
| 00:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | nai1sirk, highly unlikely. |
| 01:00.56 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: so, we now own unsupported software? :/ |
| 01:01.28 | GeneralAntilles | nai1sirk, those those three buttons on the bottom are Symbian requirements. |
| 01:01.33 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo is unlikely to have them. |
| 01:01.49 | GeneralAntilles | Also: 3.5" was what's likely in the kernel and quoted in all of the rumors. |
| 01:02.03 | GeneralAntilles | nai1sirk, 800x480 at 3.2" would be unusable. |
| 01:02.10 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, have for a very long time now. |
| 01:02.38 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: great :/ |
| 01:02.50 | doc|home | nai1sirk: link? |
| 01:02.51 | nai1sirk | There hasn't been a maemophone, usabilitywise, they would be better of to euse the button design from s60 |
| 01:03.03 | nai1sirk | http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/29/nokia-n97-mini-gets-pictured-in-the-wild/1#comments |
| 01:03.17 | nai1sirk | reuse, not euse:-) |
| 01:03.25 | doc|home | nai1sirk: thanks |
| 01:03.53 | nai1sirk | I do agree about the resolution though, it is allready hard to use without holding the device close to your face |
| 01:04.02 | nai1sirk | on n810 |
| 01:04.05 | GeneralAntilles | nai1sirk, having used S60 5th, I call BS. |
| 01:04.13 | nai1sirk | I have |
| 01:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | The hardware buttons are excessive. |
| 01:04.29 | GeneralAntilles | and only there because Symbian has to have them. |
| 01:04.33 | nai1sirk | Isn't the n900 to be released soon? |
| 01:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | Not because they actually add much usability wise. |
| 01:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | September would be my guess. |
| 01:04.48 | nai1sirk | take phone, hang up phone? |
| 01:05.09 | nai1sirk | nice to have solid buttons for those |
| 01:05.18 | nai1sirk | I like buttons |
| 01:05.32 | nai1sirk | They have their use |
| 01:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | I like buttons that are useful. |
| 01:05.44 | doc|home | GeneralAntilles: any more info on gsm-type abilities? |
| 01:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | doc|home, lots of hints in leaks and code. |
| 01:06.00 | doc|home | excellent |
| 01:06.03 | GeneralAntilles | Voice seems likely to me. |
| 01:06.15 | doc|home | I need a new phone-type thing. The openmoko freerunner has been a massive let-down :( |
| 01:06.28 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
| 01:06.43 | nai1sirk | the two month old leaks look more like a photoshop scetch ontop of n810 |
| 01:07.00 | GeneralAntilles | nai1sirk, that's a concept rendering from a while ago. |
| 01:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | It's the information contained in the leak that's more interesting. |
| 01:07.41 | doc|home | out, back later |
| 01:07.46 | nai1sirk | I really hope that info is wrong. I can tolerate a MID weiging 180 grams, But not a phone |
| 01:07.58 | nai1sirk | sorry, NIT |
| 01:08.06 | nai1sirk | ;-D |
| 01:08.28 | nai1sirk | But i did mean, not a phone |
| 01:08.39 | nai1sirk | damn, i'm confusing myself |
| 01:10.09 | nai1sirk | point is, a tablet can be left in the car, or in the jacket, a phone is often carried in pant pockets. 170-180 grams is unacceptable |
| 01:11.37 | GeneralAntilles | The N800 and 770 were 206 and 230 grams respectively. I had no trouble carrying them with phones in my pocket. |
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| 02:07.31 | dmz | howdy y'all, anyone have any suggestions on how I can debug an n810 doing bluetooth dialup via cell phone? it use to work on old phone 'out of the box' & at&t, but when i switched to verizon it just doesn't seem to want to work. i use the phone via bluetooth to my debian laptop all the time & it works great, not sure how maemo does integrated GPRS or what the comm device it sets up for bluetooth serial to phone-modem. any hints greatly |
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| 04:15.35 | Macer | wtf |
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| 04:31.13 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 04:31.15 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 1h 23m 1s ago, saying: ' '. |
| 04:31.19 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:31.23 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:31.40 | xnt14 | I just finished b-man's site v2 ;P |
| 04:31.43 | xnt14 | http://b-man.xceleo.org/ |
| 04:32.06 | xnt14 | if you still see the old site, just clear your cache for that domain ;) |
| 04:33.48 | Macer | damnit |
| 04:33.52 | Macer | fucking server keeps freezing up |
| 04:33.54 | Macer | and i have no idea why |
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| 04:34.06 | xnt14 | Macer, my server? |
| 04:34.08 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: b-man's site or yours? |
| 04:34.20 | Macer | xnt14: no.. mine |
| 04:34.21 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, b-man's site, I coded it ;) |
| 04:34.21 | Macer | heh |
| 04:34.30 | xnt14 | Macer, :P |
| 04:34.37 | Macer | i have to find out why |
| 04:34.48 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: the code looks fail |
| 04:34.55 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: fix the shaking though and nobody will notice |
| 04:35.05 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, yeah, I need to fix that :P |
| 04:35.16 | xnt14 | hey, I *just* finished it :P |
| 04:35.26 | Luke-Jr | if it needs fixing, it isn't finished |
| 04:35.40 | xnt14 | its not polished yet |
| 04:35.42 | xnt14 | wait |
| 04:35.47 | xnt14 | what shaking? |
| 04:36.07 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 04:36.08 | xnt14 | oh right, you hate firefox....xD |
| 04:36.13 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:36.17 | xnt14 | opens up konquerer |
| 04:36.27 | Macer | Luke-Jr: ordered an n810 |
| 04:36.37 | Luke-Jr | Macer: FAIL |
| 04:36.45 | xnt14 | xD |
| 04:36.47 | Macer | needed it for carman ;) |
| 04:36.50 | Macer | 260 |
| 04:36.52 | xnt14 | chrome: check..... |
| 04:36.57 | Macer | not bad considering they startted at 400+ |
| 04:37.09 | xnt14 | konquerer....check |
| 04:37.12 | Luke-Jr | Macer: bad, considering I got mine for $200 a few monthss ago |
| 04:37.13 | xnt14 | ff.....check |
| 04:37.14 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: fail |
| 04:37.27 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: click the tabs, the whole thing moves right then left |
| 04:37.53 | xnt14 | what browser? give me the ua |
| 04:37.58 | Macer | Luke-Jr: brand new? |
| 04:37.59 | Macer | heh |
| 04:38.01 | Macer | not bad |
| 04:38.06 | Macer | actually |
| 04:38.09 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: Konqueror 4.3 RC |
| 04:38.14 | Macer | yours had to be new. you said it didn't come with a car mount |
| 04:38.15 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:38.20 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: also: the page doesn't resize properly |
| 04:38.22 | Macer | but it does.. comes with a screw on base |
| 04:38.37 | Luke-Jr | Macer: you screw that onto a real mount |
| 04:38.48 | Luke-Jr | Macer: you asked about windsheld; it certainly doesn't come with that |
| 04:38.56 | Luke-Jr | even if you can hackily screw the half-mount to your dash |
| 04:38.56 | Macer | oh |
| 04:38.57 | Macer | yeah |
| 04:38.58 | Macer | haha |
| 04:39.12 | Macer | well.. it comes with a base |
| 04:39.15 | Macer | that you screw in |
| 04:39.28 | Luke-Jr | Macer: like I said, it comes with a holder that you can attach to a mount |
| 04:39.35 | Macer | uhm |
| 04:39.37 | Macer | ....... |
| 04:39.58 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:39.59 | xnt14 | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fb-man.xceleo.org%2Fv2%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.654 |
| 04:40.03 | Luke-Jr | Macer: it doesn't count as a mount unless it can be rotated on the drive/fly |
| 04:40.27 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: 1. Valid != Correct |
| 04:40.36 | xnt14 | ok w/e |
| 04:40.37 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: 2. XHTML 1.0 is WAY obsolete |
| 04:40.45 | xnt14 | im still installing konquror |
| 04:40.46 | Luke-Jr | (as opposed to XHTML 1.1 which is not compatible) |
| 04:40.59 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: 3. XHTML is obsolete (HTML 5 replaces both HTML 4 and XHTML) |
| 04:41.02 | Macer | http://www.nokia.es/MEDIA_BANK_100/R6Accessories/C/CR-89/cr-89_312x312.jpg |
| 04:41.06 | Macer | it comes with that thing? |
| 04:41.25 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: 4. you're serving the XHTML page wrong |
| 04:41.40 | Luke-Jr | Macer: yeah, that and some adapter for mounts |
| 04:41.50 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, I started this two weeks ago, I made the decision to use html5 in all my pages from now on a 1/2 a week ago |
| 04:41.55 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: (you're sending it as text/html, not text/xml+xhtml) |
| 04:42.00 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
| 04:42.09 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/mkhtml/ |
| 04:42.12 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: still doesn't excuse the 1.0 vs 1.1 ;P |
| 04:42.14 | xnt14 | -.- |
| 04:43.25 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: that script is utter fail |
| 04:43.25 | Luke-Jr | it's just 'cp' with training wheels added |
| 04:43.33 | Luke-Jr | and it refers to a "custom site" which per definition isn't based on a template |
| 04:43.35 | xnt14 | that v1.0 |
| 04:43.42 | Luke-Jr | if it's based on a template, it's a templated site, not a custom site |
| 04:43.43 | Macer | http://myskitch.com/markguim/nokia_n810_package_contents-20071123-141936.jpg |
| 04:43.55 | Macer | that round thing underneath is a mount it hought |
| 04:43.57 | Macer | thought |
| 04:44.01 | Macer | you scrwe it into your dash |
| 04:44.28 | Luke-Jr | Macer: wrong, it's an adapter for a real mount |
| 04:44.38 | Luke-Jr | you don't screw mounts into your dash :þ |
| 04:44.47 | Macer | why not ;) |
| 04:44.48 | Luke-Jr | dash's aren't made for being screwed to |
| 04:44.54 | Luke-Jr | also |
| 04:45.03 | Luke-Jr | nothing there allows free movement/rotation of the N810 |
| 04:45.56 | Macer | i see |
| 04:46.10 | Macer | i think nokia really had the intention of you screwing it into your dash with the kit |
| 04:46.23 | Macer | that's ok though. i'll just order a suctioncup window mount |
| 04:46.24 | Luke-Jr | I don't, seeing as they build mounts that interface with that adapter |
| 04:46.53 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, nothing wrong, http://xceleo.org/sitev2-k.png |
| 04:47.08 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: it's an animated thing |
| 04:47.09 | xnt14 | its the new build of konqueror that screws up |
| 04:47.13 | Luke-Jr | it moves right then back to original left |
| 04:47.24 | xnt14 | all I see is a bit of jittering of the images |
| 04:47.26 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: also, like I said, it doesn't resize properlyy |
| 04:48.09 | Luke-Jr | if I resize my window to 1000 px wide, the page should fill it |
| 04:48.35 | Macer | Please don't screw it to your dash unless you drive an '83 K-car or Pinto - that's what mounts are for. |
| 04:48.40 | Macer | haha |
| 04:48.43 | xnt14 | it works fine on webkit nightly on my xps, it works fine on my uncles mac in safari, it works on my ipod, it works on my nit, and it works on firefox |
| 04:48.51 | Macer | well... let me find a suction mount |
| 04:49.11 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, the window in the center is designed to be a fixed width :P |
| 04:49.12 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: you clearly have no concept of theory ⺠|
| 04:49.17 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: that is a bug |
| 04:49.42 | Luke-Jr | "fixed width" is always a bug |
| 04:50.28 | Luke-Jr | in your case, it's a double bug |
| 04:50.31 | Luke-Jr | because you specified it in pixels |
| 04:51.11 | xnt14 | ".container {width: 500px; margin: 10px auto;}" ~ b-man-site v2 code | px is fixed, em is fluid |
| 04:52.57 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot50.png |
| 04:53.09 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: using pixels is always a bug |
| 04:53.55 | xnt14 | holy. crap. wtf, that is so screwed up.... |
| 04:54.15 | xnt14 | w.t.f. |
| 04:54.28 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: it is 100% valid rendering of your broken page |
| 04:54.31 | Macer | http://nds1.nokia.com/phones/files/main_page/HH-12_CR-86_UG_en.pdf |
| 04:54.39 | Macer | that's what you're supposed to get |
| 04:54.41 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: about 200 DPI |
| 04:54.50 | Macer | that's the nokia solution to their included car mount |
| 04:54.55 | Macer | what a bunch of crap |
| 04:55.00 | Macer | why include a halfmount ? :) |
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| 04:55.27 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:55.57 | xnt14 | im not sure if konqueror supports this, but can you give me a dump of your DOM? |
| 04:56.16 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: in theory, a 500+ DPI display would show your "sub-window" about 1 inch wide, with 2 or 3 letters fitting in it |
| 04:56.41 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 04:56.45 | Luke-Jr | fix your broken code |
| 04:56.53 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:56.57 | Luke-Jr | I already told you the reason for the 2 biggest bugs |
| 04:57.04 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:57.05 | xnt14 | ok |
| 04:57.38 | Luke-Jr | 1. Use real sizes, like inches or (even better) em |
| 04:57.45 | Luke-Jr | 2. Don't force a fixed width |
| 04:57.52 | Luke-Jr | #1 fixes the DPI problem |
| 04:58.00 | Luke-Jr | #2 fixes the display size problem |
| 04:58.06 | xnt14 | ok |
| 04:58.17 | xnt14 | what do you think im doing right now |
| 04:58.27 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: if someone wants to show your webpage on a 100-monitor-wide display, do you really want to only use the middle two? |
| 04:58.45 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 04:58.45 | Luke-Jr | you're obviously using a pixel fixed-width |
| 04:59.13 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: or how about a 25x25 monitor matrix, viewed by people standing a mile away? |
| 04:59.25 | xnt14 | ok. I get it ok? |
| 04:59.29 | Luke-Jr | finally :þ |
| 04:59.40 | Luke-Jr | hmm, I should mention the blind guys next |
| 04:59.44 | xnt14 | ok try it again ;) |
| 04:59.45 | Luke-Jr | I wonder how a synthesizer would read that page |
| 05:00.11 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: the menu height needs to be fixed still |
| 05:00.24 | xnt14 | alright hold on a sec.... ;) |
| 05:01.18 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: try 2em |
| 05:01.30 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 05:01.33 | Luke-Jr | and make the margins 0.5em |
| 05:02.06 | Luke-Jr | looks like there's a "top" on the main content that needs adjusting |
| 05:02.57 | xnt14 | ok try it now |
| 05:05.41 | xnt14 | ;) |
| 05:10.35 | xnt14 | luke-jr, try again |
| 05:15.26 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: the menu overlaps the content a bit, but maybe that's intentional |
| 05:15.45 | xnt14 | screenshot? |
| 05:15.51 | Luke-Jr | no u -.- |
| 05:16.17 | xnt14 | its not supposed to overlap |
| 05:16.54 | xnt14 | fine then, install a vnc server on your machine and give me the password so I can take a screenshot myself |
| 05:17.02 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot51.png |
| 05:17.07 | xnt14 | o.0 |
| 05:17.08 | Luke-Jr | over my dead baby |
| 05:17.10 | Luke-Jr | body* |
| 05:17.12 | xnt14 | thanks ;) |
| 05:17.14 | xnt14 | xDD |
| 05:17.55 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/screenshots/snapshot52.png <-- example on a phone display |
| 05:18.17 | Luke-Jr | and wtf is with the "b-man site" at the top that is only visible when you mouseover it? |
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| 05:18.26 | Luke-Jr | meh, bed time |
| 05:18.36 | xnt14 | its opacity: 0.5 |
| 05:18.40 | xnt14 | me too |
| 05:18.46 | xnt14 | is works fine here |
| 05:18.52 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: opacity doesn't care about mouseover |
| 05:19.11 | xnt14 | it must be your monitor |
| 05:19.25 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: if it "works fine" in a phone, that's a bug in the phone trying to make your webpage's bug happy |
| 05:19.36 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: no, it's called proper testing |
| 05:19.59 | xnt14 | ok what ever, ill fix it in the morning, its 1:19 here |
| 05:20.01 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: set font size to 3x what you're used to, and browser to 640x480 |
| 05:20.02 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
| 05:20.10 | Luke-Jr | meh |
| 05:20.12 | Luke-Jr | night |
| 05:20.13 | xnt14 | k |
| 05:20.16 | xnt14 | night |
| 05:20.18 | xnt14 | ;) |
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| 06:51.01 | tomdavidson | hello, anyone have experiance with load-applet? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/ |
| 06:51.28 | tomdavidson | im trying to have a gui applet to control swap ... |
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| 08:53.01 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:04.33 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
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| 14:52.19 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: maemopackages-20080716 actually says 33% OSS, -- in terms of packages |
| 14:52.19 | Stskeeps | err, i mean, 33% closed source |
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| 15:24.48 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, still not most. ;) |
| 15:25.51 | lbt | s/o/oi/ |
| 15:26.49 | GAN800 | gross |
| 15:26.53 | qwerty12_N810 | >.< |
| 15:27.08 | GAN800 | Did I mention how tired I am of all the idiots on Talk? :P |
| 15:27.29 | qwerty12_N810 | But, but, but, you get a second helping here! |
| 15:27.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Er, dose |
| 15:28.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Now do I qualify as an idiot? |
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| 15:29.45 | GAN800 | qwerty12_N810, only in your choices in music. ;) |
| 15:30.28 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
| 15:35.37 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, do you like britney spears music ? :P |
| 15:35.54 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: eurgh, hell no :P |
| 15:36.03 | VDVsx | lol |
| 15:36.44 | VDVsx | so, what kind you music do you like that can be that bad, lolol |
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| 15:37.42 | qwerty12_N810 | <whisper> rap, hip-hop, and grime </whisper> |
| 15:38.24 | VDVsx | qwerty12_N810, not my taste of music, but is acceptable ;) |
| 15:38.44 | Jaffa | "grime"? |
| 15:39.09 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: You're young. Your taste in music will get better as you get older ;-) |
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| 15:41.01 | VDVsx | Jaffa, true :) |
| 15:41.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Everyone I meet on the internet has different tastes to me >.<. Ah well, at least I don't go around adding retarded comments to YouTube... |
| 15:42.18 | Jaffa | admits that he prefers sublow, rather than grime in general |
| 15:42.32 | Jaffa | No, I'm not just using wikipedia to sound like I'm down wid da kidz |
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| 16:31.42 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: did bundyo put out webkit sources yet? |
| 16:32.54 | qwerty12_N810 | No, he usually does it on request as it's a pain in the ass doing the diff |
| 16:33.16 | qwerty12_N810 | (my version of the words he used) |
| 16:34.56 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 16:35.11 | Stskeeps | it's not in a svn i presume |
| 16:35.24 | qwerty12_N810 | nope |
| 16:36.37 | Stskeeps | i'd be happy without a diff personally, just tar.gz :P |
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| 16:51.31 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, I removed the opacity hover from b-man's site, and I added some icons on the bottom right ;P http://b-man.xceleo.org/v2/ |
| 16:56.45 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 16:56.57 | xnt14 | I need to get my server running again ;) |
| 16:58.09 | xnt14 | looks at the top of his desk, which is a mess of a bunch of keyboards, 3 monitors, and a x52 joystick xD |
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| 17:21.38 | RST38h | http://www.omnipresence.mahost.org/inttxt.htm |
| 17:21.47 | RST38h | enjoy the madness |
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| 17:38.02 | Luke-Jr | what exactly does Carman tell you besides what is already on your dashboard? |
| 17:38.25 | GeneralAntilles | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics |
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| 18:25.03 | xnt14 | hahaha xD |
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| 18:29.23 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, I hate not having the hardware you need when you need it. |
| 18:29.36 | lardman | n900 by any chance? :) |
| 18:29.47 | GeneralAntilles | No, a working ethernet switch and a cat5 cable. |
| 18:29.57 | lardman | oh, slightly less exciting :D |
| 18:30.28 | lardman | anyway, are you planning on coming to the summit? |
| 18:30.35 | GeneralAntilles | Planning on it. |
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| 18:30.46 | lardman | cool :) |
| 18:30.52 | GeneralAntilles | Though all of my enthusiasm for this platform and community is slowly being drained away. |
| 18:31.11 | lardman | well steer clear of Talk for a while, will do wonders I imagine :) |
| 18:31.39 | GeneralAntilles | prods at Wine. |
| 18:31.42 | lardman | I could do with some "new hardware" excitement to get me coding again |
| 18:32.09 | lardman | translating C to Python is taking its toll on me |
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| 18:53.26 | RST38h | So, gentlemen, anything new? |
| 18:53.39 | RST38h | lardman: What brought you to this sorry task? |
| 18:58.00 | Macer | RST38h: touch book says they're goin gto ship now |
| 18:58.05 | Macer | or that they are already |
| 19:01.54 | RST38h | yea, just saw this in the rss feed =) |
| 19:03.18 | lardman | RST38h: though maemo-barcode would be more accessible in Python |
| 19:03.33 | lardman | plus the barcode GSoC project is in python, so may as well be in the same lang |
| 19:04.20 | RST38h | lardman: bad idea IMHO |
| 19:04.34 | lardman | I hate C GTK+ stuff |
| 19:04.39 | lardman | especially listboxes |
| 19:04.44 | RST38h | lardman: making it a command line utility that prints the barrcode or a dbus service with the same function will do better |
| 19:04.46 | lardman | python is much more succinct |
| 19:05.01 | lardman | well that exists, not my doing - see zbar |
| 19:05.10 | RST38h | lardman: ah cool =) |
| 19:05.22 | lardman | I'm just writing some gui + db functionality, and will borrow the webscraping from the GSoC project |
| 19:05.33 | RST38h | I mean, abstracting the UI in python is probably ok, but the core functionality better be plain C |
| 19:05.42 | Luke-Jr | >>> Emerging (2 of 22) kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.0 from kde |
| 19:05.43 | derf | Yes, "a proper library for the actual decoding" was a big improvement. |
| 19:05.53 | lardman | yeah the hard stuff, the barcode decoding is done in C. zbar has python bindings though |
| 19:06.13 | derf | Fortunately, zbar did everything we wnted except QR codes, and it was pretty easy to get my code for that integrated in. |
| 19:06.23 | lardman | indeed, good work there :) |
| 19:06.56 | lardman | anyway my C code doens't work very well (bloody listboxes and GStreamer) so i thought I'd have a crack at it in Python |
| 19:06.56 | derf | Yes. I asked the author if he thought it was possible and he handed me an existence proof. |
| 19:07.02 | derf | Easiest integration I've ever done :). |
| 19:07.39 | RST38h | GStreamer is pure horror, indeed |
| 19:07.52 | RST38h | And no way to do stuff I need to do, too =) |
| 19:08.04 | derf | RST38h: I know a number of gstreamer developers if you've got specific suggestions. |
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| 19:08.19 | lardman | I'm still stunned at how many fewer lines of Python are required to do things like sqlite db work |
| 19:08.24 | RST38h | derf: I already found a successful way to ignore gstreamer |
| 19:08.38 | lardman | great, and I can dev on the device then too, or on my Windows PC if I have some down time at work, ideal |
| 19:08.49 | RST38h | derf: Basically, I just need to play an array of audio samples, in a loop, without hiccups :) |
| 19:09.11 | lardman | tv beckons, bbl |
| 19:09.35 | RST38h | derf:; Diablo lets me do it through ESD (an undocumented pile of feces on its own, but much less complicated then GStreamer) |
| 19:09.47 | RST38h | I guess for Fremantle I will have to switch to ALSA |
| 19:10.17 | derf | RST38h: That does really seem like something one ought to be able to do. |
| 19:10.57 | Macer | RST38h: saw this in rss feeds? |
| 19:11.00 | Macer | about the touch book? |
| 19:11.07 | Macer | i'll believe it when people say they actually received one ;) |
| 19:11.15 | RST38h | derf: Alas, Gstreamer does not appear to make it easy :) |
| 19:11.30 | RST38h | Macer: Yea, even saw a generic slick netbook picture =0 |
| 19:12.09 | RST38h | derf: Apparently written by people who needed to connect MP3 decoders to filters, special effects, etc. Not suitable for general audio work. |
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| 19:20.17 | derf | RST38h: It's a multimedia framework. It's much more worried about getting the hard stuff (synchronizing multiple streams, especially given variable and poor-quality audio clocks) right, than whether or not the easy stuff is easy. |
| 19:21.03 | Macer | RST38h: which rss feed ? |
| 19:21.15 | Macer | does always innovating have an rss feed? :) |
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| 19:49.41 | lcuk | (well, the lake district, but whats a few thousand miles..) |
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| 21:43.43 | javispedro | andre__, can I bother you and your mobile kitchen sink device :) ? |
| 21:44.32 | javispedro | (about that openttd palette swap thingie) |
| 21:45.05 | andre__ | javispedro, yes |
| 21:45.56 | javispedro | ok, it should be on extras-devel |
| 21:47.05 | javispedro | and thanks :) |
| 21:50.46 | andre__ | yeah, i can see it under "Browse installable applications" |
| 21:51.02 | andre__ | javispedro, want me to test sth special? |
| 21:51.15 | javispedro | just run it and figure if the trees are blue or green ;) |
| 21:51.22 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, can I annoy you? |
| 21:51.28 | andre__ | javispedro, but i see some bugs :) |
| 21:51.38 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, you can :) |
| 21:51.46 | javispedro | you mean, packaging? |
| 21:51.53 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, good. I'm holding that for a rainy day. :P |
| 21:52.22 | andre__ | javispedro, there seem to be hard line breaks in the "Description" section that make it a bit ugly to read :) |
| 21:53.57 | javispedro | today is a rainy day here :D |
| 21:54.43 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, err... hope I didn't get you wrong... thought you had a question to me maybe :) |
| 21:54.58 | javispedro | andre__, oh, thanks, still didn't get the beta 2 h-a-m working |
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| 21:55.46 | andre__ | there's a dialog that confuses me, mom |
| 21:56.29 | javispedro | the card install thingie? cancel it |
| 21:57.11 | javispedro | i'll try to handle all of this later, it's the palette swap that's keeping me awake |
| 21:57.15 | andre__ | is that a feature of openttd? interesting idea |
| 21:57.19 | javispedro | cause I fear I'll have to switch to the 32 bpp rendered |
| 21:57.23 | javispedro | *renderer |
| 21:57.50 | andre__ | note that the card install dialog talks about pressing OK and Cancel, but these buttons don't exist |
| 21:58.43 | javispedro | weird, that's maemo-confirm-text.. I think i remember it had an OK button at least? |
| 21:58.56 | javispedro | (cancel being the implicit "click anywhere else") |
| 21:59.18 | javispedro | boots sbox |
| 22:00.03 | andre__ | javispedro, eeks, now clicked it away already. I think it was "Apply" |
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| 22:01.15 | javispedro | andre__, on sbox it has an "Accept" button |
| 22:01.37 | andre__ | javispedro, the trees are green, yellow and brown i'd say |
| 22:02.13 | javispedro | no blue trees |
| 22:02.17 | javispedro | so it's a xephyr thing |
| 22:02.20 | andre__ | it's hard to exactly touch the buttons in the start screen, they are *very* small :-/ |
| 22:02.26 | andre__ | there are definitely no blue trees |
| 22:02.36 | javispedro | yes, 0.8.0 is going to have reflowable ui |
| 22:02.48 | andre__ | there's blue water though :) |
| 22:05.37 | javispedro | aw man, I lost the blue trees screenshot I was going to attach to the bug report ;) |
| 22:05.58 | andre__ | heh |
| 22:06.06 | andre__ | good night |
| 22:06.20 | javispedro | thank you! |
| 22:06.22 | javispedro | and good night :) |
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| 23:28.35 | chx | "30245 new messages on the server but the retrieval limit is 200. Retrieve all?" HAHA my tablet is suicidal to even ask that. |
| 23:29.33 | mavhc | I ended up actually using the archive option in gmail due to using imap on n810 |
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| 23:32.47 | chx | mavhc: i might need to do that too, it seems it still tries to download the whole shebang |
| 23:32.58 | chx | mavhc: so you just moved out of inbox everything not needed? |
| 23:33.17 | mavhc | everything >1 year old, archive |
| 23:34.26 | chx | when creating a new filter i do not see such an option |
| 23:40.22 | mavhc | search between dates, then select all and archive |
| 23:43.39 | chx | for search, i have date within... but not between dates |
| 23:45.16 | chx | in labs there is an imap tweak |
| 23:45.32 | GeneralAntilles | before:<date-6-months-ago> |
| 23:48.33 | GeneralAntilles | Any way to archive all search results? |
| 23:48.39 | GeneralAntilles | As opposed to doing them 20 at a time. . . . |
| 23:48.51 | chx | you can click select all search results. |
| 23:48.56 | chx | yay |
| 23:49.03 | chx | my inbox dropped to a measly 1124 messages. |
| 23:49.33 | GeneralAntilles | Clicking "All" only selects visible messages |
| 23:49.56 | chx | not "all" |
| 23:50.08 | chx | there is a separate long link just above the message |
| 23:50.10 | chx | s |
| 23:50.45 | GeneralAntilles | Not here. |
| 23:51.30 | chx | clcik all |
| 23:51.38 | chx | now |
| 23:51.41 | chx | All 20 conversations on this page are selected. Select all conversations that match this search |
| 23:51.43 | chx | appears |
| 23:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, that's intuitive. . . . :roll: |
| 23:52.29 | chx | imo its fucked but :P |
| 23:56.31 | chx | OMG what would I give for an N810 with a four row keyboard and a powerful CPU... |
| 23:56.42 | chx | but, beggars cant be choosers |
| 23:56.50 | chx | I am happy even this exists. |
| 23:57.01 | GeneralAntilles | Well, N900 offers the CPU, anyway. |
| 23:58.37 | chx | if / when that ever ships. |
