| 00:02.38 | k-s | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qENNJsDWMJk |
| 00:02.50 | k-s | do you like it? share please ;-) |
| 00:03.53 | GeneralAntilles | k-s, it's awful. |
| 00:03.56 | GeneralAntilles | What? |
| 00:03.58 | k-s | ehehehe |
| 00:04.02 | k-s | sucker |
| 00:04.43 | VDVsx | k-s, just twity it :P |
| 00:04.45 | GeneralAntilles | I'm predicting the album art Ken Burns effect will end with me putting my tablet through a concrete block. |
| 00:05.02 | javispedro | of an apple store wall. |
| 00:05.06 | k-s | GeneralAntilles: it's for cars |
| 00:05.15 | k-s | in car entertainment systems |
| 00:05.26 | GeneralAntilles | k-s, interesting selection of pictures. :P |
| 00:05.37 | k-s | we'll publish videos running on N810 and imx31/35 |
| 00:05.39 | GeneralAntilles | k-s, well, my tablet is my in-car entertainment system. |
| 00:05.43 | k-s | GeneralAntilles: everybody loves it |
| 00:06.07 | GeneralAntilles | k-s, maybe if it didn't start over every time you changed screens. |
| 00:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | As it stands, it feels really jerky and irritating. |
| 00:06.22 | k-s | ? |
| 00:06.24 | k-s | where? |
| 00:06.53 | javispedro | the first 15 seconds of the video |
| 00:06.54 | VDVsx | the paris pthoto, I guess |
| 00:07.02 | k-s | ehehe, i see |
| 00:07.12 | javispedro | it reminds me of some arcade machine, dunno why |
| 00:07.15 | k-s | it's defined by theme, so we can change that without changing code |
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| 00:09.05 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, yeah, me too. |
| 00:11.06 | lcuk | k-s, :) very slick. my hat is off dude |
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| 00:15.27 | esaym153 | yea I copied an mp3 file over and I can't play that in the media player either :( |
| 00:15.30 | esaym153 | any tips? |
| 00:17.59 | esaym153 | hmm, maybe a restart will fix it.... |
| 00:19.52 | esaym153 | yes, restart fixed it.... |
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| 00:30.51 | esaym153 | is RoxTerm the only other terminal that one can install? |
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| 00:36.40 | esaym153 | lost his stylus already |
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| 00:40.47 | wazd | k-s: efl? :) |
| 00:41.17 | wazd | k-s: in fact it's restyled canola, isn't it? :) |
| 00:41.19 | k-s | oh yeah |
| 00:41.29 | k-s | wazd: not restyled, reworked |
| 00:41.34 | k-s | it's not just a face lift |
| 00:42.43 | wazd | running video previws are a bit scarry :) |
| 00:44.35 | wazd | k-s: btw, quick usability tip |
| 00:45.00 | wazd | k-s: since it's in-car system - try to orient playback controls on the left |
| 00:45.44 | Stskeeps | yeah, wouldn't want the missus to change songs.. ;p |
| 00:45.47 | wazd | k-s: since you'll sit on the left to the screen in most cases |
| 00:45.49 | k-s | wazd: eh, this is a demo... for cars we have real hw keys :-) |
| 00:47.15 | wazd | k-s: anyway, for those poor people without keys :) |
| 00:48.06 | k-s | ehehe :-) |
| 00:48.52 | wazd | k-s: like me :) I have to pay fracking zillion of dollars to connect my steering controls to the media center |
| 00:48.59 | wazd | k-s: screw it :) |
| 00:49.28 | k-s | ehehe, ok |
| 00:49.34 | k-s | gotta run, SIGWIFE |
| 00:49.46 | wazd | k-s[AWAY]: cya :) |
| 00:50.11 | wazd | omg, it's dawn already |
| 00:50.47 | esaym153 | where is the pipe key?? "|" |
| 00:50.58 | javispedro | press "Chr" |
| 00:51.39 | esaym153 | javispedro: not there |
| 00:51.44 | esaym153 | n/m |
| 00:51.47 | javispedro | there is a |
| 00:51.48 | javispedro | ok |
| 00:56.16 | esaym153 | I never knew how much fun I can have using vim with this keyboard.... |
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| 01:27.41 | esaym153 | anyway to use arrow keys or make a short cut? |
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| 04:16.24 | ml-37 | i just got a quick Q i have a palm foldable btkb beleived to be HID and a n770 that worked outta the box on OS2006SE but earlier today i installed OS2008HE and i cant get it to pair for the life of me. any ideas |
| 04:19.06 | esaym153 | does the web cam on the 810 work with any im clients? |
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| 04:37.11 | Macer | Stskeeps: awake? |
| 04:37.20 | Macer | where did you say i culd get a q7 |
| 04:37.21 | Macer | ? |
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| 04:41.49 | Macer | nm |
| 04:41.52 | Macer | found a few different places |
| 04:41.59 | Macer | blah. sure wish tigerdirect just had some n810s |
| 04:48.44 | esaym153 | I just bought a new 810 from shopcell.com |
| 04:49.24 | ml-37 | heh |
| 04:49.43 | chx | i found an affordable one on eBay |
| 04:49.43 | esaym153 | http://tinyurl.com/lsp9gz |
| 04:49.48 | chx | so glad to have one |
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| 04:51.12 | Izy | Hi everyone |
| 04:52.33 | Macer | esaym153: i thought they only sell accessories |
| 04:52.36 | Luke-Jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/anime/gardner.avi |
| 04:52.38 | Macer | where do they sell the n810s? |
| 04:52.59 | Luke-Jr | esaym153: wow, ripoff |
| 04:53.01 | esaym153 | Macer: I don't know but that is where I just bought mine at, got it today |
| 04:53.13 | esaym153 | Luke-Jr: I am happy |
| 04:53.37 | Luke-Jr | >_< |
| 04:53.42 | Luke-Jr | esaym153: watch teh video |
| 04:55.12 | ml-37 | amazon has them |
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| 04:55.46 | Luke-Jr | so do I |
| 04:56.41 | k-s | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/967tu/project_memphis_fancy_incar_entertainment_system/ <-- help :-) |
| 04:58.07 | Izy | Hi everyone |
| 04:59.33 | Izy | Is there anyone ready to help me trying wormux over hamachi? |
| 05:00.04 | Luke-Jr | wtf |
| 05:00.46 | Izy | Ithe game |
| 05:00.50 | Izy | Wormux |
| 05:01.55 | Izy | Luke sounds french |
| 05:02.00 | Izy | Are u french? |
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| 05:03.23 | Macer | uhm |
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| 05:23.50 | Luke-Jr | wtf |
| 05:23.58 | Luke-Jr | ok going to bed 4 real now |
| 05:25.32 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 05:47.58 | ml-37 | shoots self ... shoots self again for not hitting ENTER after putting in the passkey in the btkb to make it pair. |
| 05:48.54 | t_s_o | hmm, did maemo.org just flatline, or is it just the forum thats having issues? |
| 05:50.11 | t_s_o | ok, its just the forum... |
| 05:50.23 | ml-37 | slow but just loaded |
| 05:51.14 | RST38h | t_s_o: This is the last days. |
| 05:51.34 | caotic | esaym153: so you finally got your n810, congrats ! |
| 05:51.50 | caotic | esaym153: it nice when shippments get on earlier than expected |
| 05:53.30 | caotic | esaym153: after you get familiar with your n810, you may want to take a look at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/mediaserv.html |
| 05:53.42 | caotic | its fawesome |
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| 06:02.11 | caotic | k-s: who the hell needs so many pictures of victoria secret models ... IN A CAR |
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| 07:38.36 | rmt__ | Holiday in southern Italy starts now! Ciao all! |
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| 07:44.00 | aquatix | morning all |
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| 07:51.07 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:51.23 | X-Fade | mikkov_: ping? |
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| 07:54.42 | timeless_mbp | hello world |
| 07:54.49 | timeless_mbp | does Maemo 4.1 support GIO? |
| 07:56.10 | timeless_mbp | pokes someone |
| 07:56.55 | timeless_mbp | answer: no |
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| 08:14.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: ping |
| 08:14.52 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Pong |
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| 08:16.07 | Jaffa | X-Fade: I can't promote http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/attitude/0.0.6 as it says "dependency python2.5-osso could not be found in the database". |
| 08:16.22 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Even though it's got an "|" dep which can be satisfied. |
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| 08:17.04 | X-Fade | Jaffa: You get this error on promotion, right? |
| 08:17.54 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Correct |
| 08:17.54 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ok, then there is a bug ;) |
| 08:18.22 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I'll import the data into the internal test machine and will check it out. |
| 08:18.30 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Thanks |
| 08:18.51 | X-Fade | Jaffa: At least it is getting tested now :) |
| 08:19.08 | filip42 | Hi everyone |
| 08:19.16 | Jaffa | X-Fade: :) |
| 08:20.29 | filip42 | Just found this picture : http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/07/29/nokia-n97-mini-gets-pictured-in-the-wild/ wich remind me of : http://www.graphmobile.com/news-3674.htm rover |
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| 08:23.59 | Jaffa | filip42: See the last few posts on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151 - basic conclusion is it looks similar, but probably isn't |
| 08:24.19 | X-Fade | Brothers or cousins likely. |
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| 08:27.38 | filip42 | thx for the link Jaffa, and sorry to not have found the post at maemo :) |
| 08:27.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: It seems that OR checking is missing for that part ;) |
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| 08:28.23 | X-Fade | Jaffa: So I know now what to fix. |
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| 08:29.12 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:34.18 | cpm | Hi, for Maemo4 SDK, can I install another gcc? Currently gcc 3.4 is installed, how can I install gcc 4? |
| 08:34.19 | Jaffa | X-Fade: cool |
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| 09:37.11 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:39.57 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Ah, the plot thickens. As you are the first app using python, it needs to promote that too. |
| 09:41.43 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Ah. So it can't work out the dep graph in that circumstance? |
| 09:42.03 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Well it didn't because there was a bug in the OR part. |
| 09:42.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Looks fixed on the test system now. Altough I have to verify each package by hand to be sure ;) |
| 09:43.20 | X-Fade | Jaffa: 17 packages in all ;) |
| 09:43.25 | Jaffa | Automated regression testing FTW |
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| 09:57.46 | X-Fade | jeremiah_afk: ping? |
| 10:00.03 | lardman | aargh |
| 10:00.14 | lardman | bloody camera settings |
| 10:01.36 | wazd | hello maemo :) |
| 10:02.30 | X-Fade | ~seen jeremiah_afk |
| 10:02.32 | infobot | jeremiah_afk is currently on #maemo, last said: 'It is a little disappointing that the screen is getting smaller.'. |
| 10:02.58 | lbt | jeremiah_afk: fancy helping out on Mer at all? |
| 10:02.58 | X-Fade | infobot, dude your missing important information.. When? :) |
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| 10:14.59 | lardman | any pysqlite experts about? |
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| 10:23.21 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: irc log can answer that question :) |
| 10:23.41 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Yeah, it can. But I'm lazy. |
| 10:23.55 | timeless_mbp | at least you aren't out of disk space. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/407295 |
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| 11:09.36 | lcuk | lardman, don't ask to ask :P |
| 11:09.43 | RST38h | moo lcuk, lardman |
| 11:09.54 | lcuk | hey rst |
| 11:10.42 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 11:11.17 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 11:11.57 | RST38h | watches disoriented maemo.org bloggers bury the filesystem |
| 11:12.41 | RST38h | I mean, folks, just because you happen to use a bunch of badly engineered apps does not mean that the filesystem is coming to the end |
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| 11:17.33 | lardman | lcuk: it was more not wanting to flood the channel with stuff that no-one's interested in |
| 11:17.35 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 11:17.44 | lardman | anyway must go do some testing now, bloody camera |
| 11:17.59 | lcuk | ive just done a load of sqlite stuff |
| 11:18.19 | lcuk | not pysqlite, but sqlite stuff all the same |
| 11:18.30 | RST38h | just had to delete a few FireFox sqlite files as they got corrupted |
| 11:18.53 | RST38h | Which pretty much summarizes the problem with apps refusing to use the filesystem |
| 11:19.31 | lcuk | RST38h, im just moving towards database now |
| 11:19.42 | lcuk | files are great until the quantity grows |
| 11:19.43 | RST38h | lcuk: Expect the above problem. |
| 11:19.48 | lcuk | and theres no indexing allowed |
| 11:19.57 | lcuk | i understand entirely |
| 11:20.03 | RST38h | lcuk: the optimal strategy is to mix both |
| 11:20.09 | RST38h | lcuk: In a logical way |
| 11:20.18 | lcuk | the only practical way to keep files is to abstract the filename itself |
| 11:20.26 | lcuk | and then you are left with an anonymous datafile |
| 11:20.31 | lcuk | which is just as bad in a way |
| 11:20.35 | RST38h | There is no need to abstract filenames |
| 11:20.46 | lcuk | sure there is |
| 11:20.56 | lcuk | ive got 1 sketch "blah" |
| 11:21.00 | RST38h | If you can't clearly tell what your file contains in a few words, your design is wrong |
| 11:21.08 | lcuk | but it has been edited 20 times over different periods |
| 11:21.14 | RST38h | and? |
| 11:21.19 | lcuk | currently that would make 20 records |
| 11:21.31 | RST38h | ok, so you keep all edits in a single file |
| 11:21.35 | RST38h | called blah |
| 11:22.23 | lcuk | so each file type must implement its own version control |
| 11:22.29 | RST38h | if you are smart, you will keep the most recent version at the beginning of the file, then have some kind of a termination tag, and THEN store optional history |
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| 11:22.42 | lcuk | and how do you do that with existing filetypes - jpeg/png etc |
| 11:22.43 | RST38h | lcuk: And why is it a problem? |
| 11:23.03 | RST38h | lcuk: Store them as blobs inside file |
| 11:23.08 | RST38h | If this is what you want to do |
| 11:23.20 | lcuk | but that is just a database |
| 11:23.21 | RST38h | I would just link to them, by name |
| 11:23.24 | lcuk | that does not help |
| 11:23.38 | RST38h | this isn't a database |
| 11:23.48 | RST38h | It is a set of data items embedded into your document |
| 11:23.49 | lcuk | just because you make your own custom database format |
| 11:24.00 | lcuk | you just defined a database |
| 11:24.06 | RST38h | it is still really far from the database |
| 11:24.07 | lcuk | just because it doesnt use tables and fields.. |
| 11:24.24 | RST38h | well, you see, relational db uses tables and fields by definition |
| 11:24.36 | lcuk | but thats not what the database rant was about |
| 11:24.37 | RST38h | and also introduces a lot of other stuff |
| 11:24.46 | lcuk | it was generic blobbing of data into one abstract file |
| 11:24.46 | RST38h | Oh I know what the database rant was about |
| 11:25.05 | RST38h | depends on what data |
| 11:25.17 | RST38h | there is just a bunch of data types that require blobbing |
| 11:25.17 | lcuk | so, going back - how do i reproducably manage a set of individual files |
| 11:25.29 | RST38h | lcuk: tar |
| 11:25.37 | RST38h | lcuk: This is what OpenOffice does I think |
| 11:25.42 | lcuk | i already know this because i do it myself with sketches, but it becomes unmanagable beyond a limit |
| 11:25.53 | RST38h | lcuk: Again depends on what you are doing |
| 11:26.05 | RST38h | I do not see why you would need a real relational db here though |
| 11:26.21 | lcuk | grouping and tagging and evolution of sketches from others |
| 11:26.37 | lcuk | hard with just files (believe me, i tried...) |
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| 11:36.58 | lbt | 1 directory/file |
| 11:37.11 | lbt | blah/jpg |
| 11:37.14 | lbt | blah/xml |
| 11:37.18 | lbt | blah/history |
| 11:37.22 | lbt | blah/png |
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| 11:38.07 | lbt | if you put something 'in a file' use a directory... they nest too |
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| 11:38.11 | lbt | and symlink |
| 11:38.14 | lbt | and link |
| 11:38.19 | lbt | and .. other stuff |
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| 11:38.43 | lbt | blah/.git |
| 11:39.01 | lcuk | lbt, rather complex tho lol |
| 11:39.13 | lbt | whereas inventing your own db is easy |
| 11:39.30 | lbt | it's not complex... it's transparent |
| 11:39.34 | lcuk | using an existing database is quite logical |
| 11:39.47 | lbt | sure, a filesystem is a db |
| 11:40.07 | lbt | people just don't think of it as one |
| 11:40.10 | lcuk | and gives you the functions for processing them in a nice little compact syntax |
| 11:40.15 | lbt | ls |
| 11:40.17 | lbt | find |
| 11:40.21 | lbt | grep -R |
| 11:40.26 | lbt | chmod |
| 11:40.29 | lbt | mv |
| 11:40.30 | lbt | cp |
| 11:40.47 | lbt | cat |
| 11:40.51 | lbt | > |
| 11:40.53 | lbt | << |
| 11:41.24 | lbt | just sayin' ;) |
| 11:41.41 | lcuk | can handle many thousands of things more efficiently than files |
| 11:41.44 | lcuk | you are right |
| 11:41.46 | lcuk | for just sayin |
| 11:41.54 | lcuk | and i used it quite well for some things |
| 11:42.02 | lcuk | but theres other stuff that i couldnt do |
| 11:42.08 | lcuk | easily |
| 11:42.50 | lbt | investigate hash dbs like gdbm |
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| 11:43.16 | lbt | sql is rarely the right answer |
| 11:43.20 | lbt | it's just a common answer |
| 11:43.24 | lbt | sql sucks |
| 11:43.26 | javispedro | missing the BeOS again? (database as filesystem and all that) |
| 11:44.44 | lcuk | sql is an ondisk reprecsentation of c structs. |
| 11:45.12 | javispedro | what a weird definition |
| 11:45.17 | javispedro | ;) |
| 11:45.31 | lcuk | well i would in the past have written "records" as being multitples of structs |
| 11:45.50 | lcuk | now, i gain a nice thing where i can do indexing and searching without having to write it myself |
| 11:46.01 | javispedro | I kinda liked the be approach to this topic |
| 11:46.10 | javispedro | mails (as read by the mail client) were "files" |
| 11:46.12 | lcuk | but at the low level, they are just my structs |
| 11:46.20 | javispedro | files = records on a database |
| 11:46.32 | javispedro | the mail client just cared about his own namespace of fields in that database |
| 11:46.39 | javispedro | but you were free to add any fields you wished |
| 11:47.48 | javispedro | gives in a new light to this "where are my files????????" problem ;) |
| 11:48.24 | lcuk | doesnt like files anyway and named most stuff with a big long practically guid name anyway |
| 11:48.43 | lcuk | ill have to vanish tho |
| 11:48.45 | lcuk | \o cyas later |
| 11:48.59 | javispedro | think about it: store your sketches in a database; but let other programs add their own fields to each sketch record |
| 11:49.25 | lbt | and store indexes in gdbm |
| 11:49.43 | RST38h | os does not provide apis to access db files |
| 11:49.44 | javispedro | the new tracker is going to be cool :) |
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| 11:50.10 | RST38h | os also cant change db files for integrity and repair them |
| 11:50.16 | lbt | true RST38h - but indexes are optimisations, not data |
| 11:50.24 | RST38h | so using db files is a bad idea |
| 11:50.27 | javispedro | RST38h, then standarize |
| 11:50.27 | lbt | delete them and nothing should be lost |
| 11:50.38 | RST38h | yes, having a separate optional index is ok |
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| 11:50.42 | javispedro | standarize not as part of the kernel but as part of the Operating System |
| 11:50.54 | javispedro | e.g. Access Linux Platform says sqlite is the OS "file format" |
| 11:51.06 | RST38h | javis: people tried that before |
| 11:51.10 | RST38h | flopped every time |
| 11:51.26 | RST38h | mainly because this crap is so complicated that it becomes unreliable |
| 11:51.48 | RST38h | adding db features to the filesystem is more realistic and has also been tried (beos) |
| 11:52.24 | RST38h | but having a separate index file that can be rebuilt is really the way to go |
| 11:53.22 | javispedro | separate index = use tracker |
| 11:53.34 | RST38h | tracker will be a disaster btw |
| 11:53.42 | RST38h | remember my words :) |
| 11:53.58 | RST38h | will make you long for the metalayer crawler |
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| 11:54.38 | javispedro | so you're asking for some software that "indexes files", get some, and say it's crap? |
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| 11:55.09 | RST38h | I am not asking for anything actually |
| 11:55.31 | RST38h | I am saying that if you absolutely want to index your stuff, make a separate optional index |
| 11:55.40 | RST38h | rather than bind it with your files |
| 11:56.21 | RST38h | Personally, I never you system wide file indexing and always end up turning it off for performance and space concerns |
| 11:56.29 | RST38h | s/you/use |
| 11:56.44 | javispedro | me neither as is now |
| 11:57.09 | javispedro | cause I virtually have to battle with the indexer for _each_ file format I want to index |
| 11:57.15 | RST38h | namely, I spent a few days killing tracker on my ubuntu system and deleting 300+MB of indices it creates |
| 11:57.48 | RST38h | so, if anything like this repeats in fremantle (and it will given that fremantle tracker is developed by modest author)... |
| 11:58.54 | javispedro | well, to repeat myself, I kinda licked the Be way... |
| 11:59.27 | javispedro | s/licked/liked/ |
| 11:59.33 | javispedro | (:P) |
| 11:59.39 | lbt | preferred the first version |
| 11:59.43 | RST38h | heh |
| 12:00.52 | lbt | gcc is scary |
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| 12:01.33 | javispedro | and takes ages to build |
| 12:01.54 | lbt | do we need fortran on Mer? |
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| 12:05.23 | RST38h | yessss |
| 12:05.28 | RST38h | and ada too |
| 12:05.46 | lbt | excellent, a volunteer :) |
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| 12:05.52 | lbt | right |
| 12:06.11 | lbt | first you need a Mer Build setup... |
| 12:06.20 | lbt | let me know when you're there :) |
| 12:09.16 | thux | what about cobol |
| 12:09.49 | lcuk | i say we nuke it from orbit, its the only way to be sure. |
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| 12:18.46 | VDVsx | when should be the next council election ? |
| 12:19.32 | VDVsx | s/should/will/ |
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| 12:23.29 | VDVsx | humm, election in September and assignment in October ? |
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| 12:26.42 | lcuk | VDVsx, with a pyr for formercouncil members in november (5th afiak) |
| 12:26.48 | lcuk | pyre * |
| 12:27.43 | VDVsx | lcuk, lol, bad lcuk |
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| 12:35.22 | lcuk | VDVsx, burning lardman was the only way we managed to get through the cold spring months ;) |
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| 12:38.54 | hendry | i'm looking for a screen capture tool for diablo |
| 12:39.07 | jaem | single image, or video? |
| 12:39.38 | VDVsx | lcuk, lol, poor lardman ;) |
| 12:40.22 | hendry | jaem: both ideally actually |
| 12:40.22 | jaem | hendry: the LoadApplet will give you screenshooting abilities |
| 12:41.14 | hendry | jaem: which package is it a part of? apt-cache search LoadApplet revealed nadda |
| 12:41.21 | jaem | as for recording, my guess is that you'd best do that over VNC or similar - I doubt the N810 could record screencap videos well |
| 12:41.39 | jaem | one sec - sorry, I've stayed up all night, and my thinker isn't thinking so well |
| 12:41.42 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Yup, next election in September; so next sprint is going to be gearing up for it (bergie fixing karma bugs, someone sorting the tmo accounts etc.] |
| 12:42.15 | bergie | I wonder if the plan is to integrate TMO accounts to the rest of maemo.org and when |
| 12:42.19 | VDVsx | so, new council at the summit ;) |
| 12:42.23 | jaem | hendry: load-applet |
| 12:42.54 | jaem | it's good to have anyway, especially so you know when your tablet is under heavy load, so you don't make it worse ;) |
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| 12:44.13 | Jaffa | bergie: For the purposes of the election, I think it's going to have to be treating them specially (if the profile isn't linked to from a maemo.org account) |
| 12:44.33 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Yup. And maybe lots of new faces (some'd be better than others) |
| 12:44.47 | VDVsx | Jaffa, people can link accounts |
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| 12:44.49 | hendry | jaem: and what about video? |
| 12:45.19 | jaem | hendry: as I said, you're probably better off remoting the screen to your desktop, and recording it there |
| 12:45.19 | bergie | Jaffa: if users supply their TMO URL then they get karma for that too |
| 12:45.24 | jaem | although I haven't tried |
| 12:45.35 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Indeed. However, the basic rule is that any tmo account older than 3 months, with more posts to meet the karma threshold, they should be able to vote. |
| 12:45.50 | VDVsx | Jaffa, ah right :P |
| 12:45.55 | hendry | jaem: ah vnc |
| 12:45.59 | Jaffa | Now, perhaps a mass mail to all eligible tmo accounts which aren't already linked to a maemo.org account is appropriate. |
| 12:46.09 | jaem | hendry: yep |
| 12:46.50 | Jaffa | And then the account age stuff needs to take into account it might be a new maemo.org account linking to an old tmo account. Which should therefore be eligible to vote. |
| 12:47.36 | VDVsx | Jaffa, last year presentation of the council at the summit was a LT, right ? |
| 12:50.10 | Jaffa | No, it was a half hour session |
| 12:50.24 | Jaffa | Introducing the council, the members and a Q&A |
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| 12:50.57 | Jaffa | would say the council should be expected to do a kick-off presentation towards the start of the community day |
| 12:51.10 | Jaffa | And if they aren't willing to, should be executed. |
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| 12:53.12 | jaem | Jaffa: sh ./maemo-council ? |
| 12:53.17 | jaem | oh wait |
| 12:53.22 | jaem | you meant that the other way |
| 12:53.24 | jaem | riiight |
| 12:55.19 | Veggen | mmm, wish I could be at Dolomite mapping weekend. |
| 12:55.45 | Veggen | But alas, my dolomite visit was a week ago, and far too short for any mapping at all, since I had people to visit there. |
| 12:55.58 | Veggen | urk, #wrong channel. |
| 12:59.13 | Jaffa | jaem: :) |
| 12:59.35 | jaem | kill -9 `pidof maemo-council` |
| 12:59.38 | jaem | that's better |
| 12:59.54 | Jaffa | jaem: Yeah, let's not test it yet. I'm still enjoying the power *cough* |
| 13:00.07 | jaem | hehe |
| 13:00.09 | jaska | -11 and leave a core to debug |
| 13:00.17 | VDVsx | lolol |
| 13:01.08 | VDVsx | jaem, you don't need the pid, just use pkill ;) |
| 13:01.25 | jaem | VDVsx: I think I vaguely remember that ;) |
| 13:01.36 | jaska | or killall.. unless youre on solaris :) |
| 13:01.41 | jaem | yep |
| 13:07.42 | jaem | so, did you folks hear about the big iPhone vulnerability? |
| 13:08.21 | jaska | yes.. and hah |
| 13:08.27 | jaem | indeed |
| 13:08.36 | jaem | and they haven't patched it, given a month's notice >_< |
| 13:08.41 | jaem | that's just terrible |
| 13:08.58 | jaska | dont see why people give more than 72 hours anyway |
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| 13:14.17 | VDVsx | jaem, link ?, what vulnerability ? :) |
| 13:15.02 | jaem | VDVsx: http://isc.sans.org/diary.html?storyid=6892 |
| 13:15.05 | jaem | SMS exploit |
| 13:15.18 | jaem | they can own your phone by sending crafted messages, most of which you won't see |
| 13:15.27 | jaem | full control, including dialing |
| 13:15.38 | jaem | and, of course, your address book, to spread the love |
| 13:15.40 | jaem | -snerk- |
| 13:16.01 | VDVsx | neat, lolol |
| 13:16.08 | jaem | well, not really |
| 13:16.09 | Jaffa | jaem: Of course, if Rover contains SMS functionality I wonder if it'll have anything similar |
| 13:16.40 | jaem | if they sploit gets out before they patch it, we could have chaos, considering how many iPhone users there are out there |
| 13:16.49 | jaem | Jaffa: that's an interesting thought |
| 13:17.23 | jaem | the Forbes article linked to in that post mentions that very little thought has been given to SMS security, because it didn't used to be an issue |
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| 13:17.36 | jaem | but then smartphones came along... :P |
| 13:18.06 | jaem | pretty nasty, though - worse than a drive-by, given that all you have to do is have a vulnerable phone *turned on* |
| 13:18.35 | VDVsx | is apple trying to reach a new market - terrorists |
| 13:18.42 | Jaffa | If you get control of a remote phone, not just sending it to everyone in the address book; but also random numbers |
| 13:18.44 | VDVsx | also : http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/07/jailbreak/ |
| 13:18.48 | jaem | yep |
| 13:20.22 | lcuk | is it possible to actually send a virus down this vector? |
| 13:20.37 | lcuk | ie target other iphone users on same network with dodgy sms messages.. |
| 13:20.47 | jaem | lcuk: that's what the article said |
| 13:20.58 | lcuk | cool! |
| 13:21.16 | jaem | lcuk: btw, the liqbase-playground package in extras-devel is looking mighty cool |
| 13:21.22 | jaem | :D |
| 13:21.27 | lcuk | if i wrote that virus - i would have it do a lawnmower man and ring everyones phone at same time :$ |
| 13:21.36 | jaem | ahahaha |
| 13:21.41 | jaem | everyone? everywhere? |
| 13:21.42 | lcuk | jaem :D its only an engine :) the apps are being built right now |
| 13:21.44 | jaem | do it |
| 13:22.03 | jaem | lcuk: what sort of apps? |
| 13:22.20 | jaem | maybe I'm just missing things, but I haven't found much concrete information about where you're heading with it |
| 13:22.23 | lcuk | database enabled: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090728_013953.liqbase_net.scr.png full proper tagging/rating/searching of scketches |
| 13:22.27 | jaem | although whereever it is, it's cool |
| 13:22.41 | jaem | nice! |
| 13:22.47 | lcuk | graffiti wall now allows viewing sketeches+photos+cal +text entries |
| 13:22.54 | lcuk | all in the same wall |
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| 13:23.33 | jaem | what was that that you were alluding to about multitouch the other day? |
| 13:23.33 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png and network syncing and web interface for those without tablets :) |
| 13:23.37 | jaem | on that blog comment |
| 13:23.57 | lcuk | no, that is relating to the interaction in the graffiti wall :) |
| 13:24.49 | lcuk | im trying to allow lists to have various views. switching between those views should be slick and smooth, i think i have the mechanism, and i certainly have the multitouch swipe ready :) |
| 13:25.30 | lcuk | anyway, im off camping, cyas monday \o |
| 13:25.38 | jaem | have fun! |
| 13:25.45 | dneary | hi |
| 13:25.50 | dneary | baloo around? |
| 13:25.54 | dneary | VDVsx: Ping? |
| 13:26.05 | VDVsx | dneary, pokrKna |
| 13:26.08 | VDVsx | lol |
| 13:26.13 | VDVsx | *pong |
| 13:26.48 | VDVsx | sorry pokrKna :( |
| 13:27.29 | VDVsx | qt dev days registration - ĂąÂÂŹ499 ouch :( |
| 13:27.54 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 13:28.17 | Macer | damn |
| 13:28.23 | Macer | wtf does it take to start to lose a bid haha |
| 13:28.42 | Macer | someone has to want this n810 for 222.50 |
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| 13:29.53 | Macer | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290334386372&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT |
| 13:29.57 | Macer | someone bid on that :) |
| 13:29.59 | Macer | haha |
| 13:30.03 | Macer | so i'm not the highest bidder anymore |
| 13:30.32 | dneary | VDVsx: I'm pretty down on most of the proposals in the queue now |
| 13:30.38 | dneary | Not ranking my own |
| 13:30.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: If you pay me 223.50, I'll do it |
| 13:30.47 | dneary | I think the schedule is far too developer-only heavy |
| 13:31.03 | Macer | lol |
| 13:31.05 | VDVsx | dneary, same opinion :( |
| 13:31.24 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: 222.50 ;) |
| 13:31.27 | Macer | is what the next bid has to be |
| 13:31.38 | Macer | it just sucks that i know someone is going to do it at the 11th hour right before it ends |
| 13:31.48 | Macer | and i'm going to lose.. and i could have used this time to just order it direct frm somewhere |
| 13:32.24 | Macer | have to admit though. pkt auction ebay is pretty awesome for android :) |
| 13:34.28 | Macer | really. to tell the truth. android hasn't been bad at all |
| 13:34.38 | Macer | it's pretty good minus teh flood of bullshit apps that really suck |
| 13:34.44 | Macer | but i suppose that's any OS |
| 13:34.44 | dneary | VDVsx: Worried the gang of 4 proposals are getting an easy pass :) |
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| 13:36.40 | Macer | wow |
| 13:37.32 | VDVsx | dneary, Well, I think your presentation (doc's co-creation) and Andre's is really useful and needed |
| 13:37.40 | Macer | a san antonio woman |
| 13:37.45 | sge | on n810 my aplay says device or resource busy, and when I do /usr/sbin/dspctl suspend or resume it suddenly starts working. Does anyone know what is really going on and how that aplay should work? |
| 13:37.48 | Macer | killed and ate her 3wk old baby? |
| 13:37.49 | Macer | wtf? |
| 13:37.55 | jaem | good morning |
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| 13:38.09 | dneary | Macer: Is there a famine going on out there? |
| 13:38.13 | javispedro | sge: I would suggest esdplay |
| 13:38.40 | sge | javispedro: I'm kinda forced to use alsa.. |
| 13:38.41 | dneary | Macer: I don't mean to be rude, by the way, but do you realise that for the past 10 minutes you've been talking to yourself about non-Maemo related stuff in the #maemo channel? |
| 13:38.43 | Macer | dneary: i don't know man |
| 13:38.51 | dneary | Macer: Just making sure you realise what channel you're in |
| 13:39.01 | Macer | dneary: :) that's not true |
| 13:39.17 | Macer | the first 5 minutes was me trying to get someone to bid higher on an n810 |
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| 13:39.55 | Macer | but the pkt auction ebay and the baby brain woman... i'll give you those 2 |
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| 13:40.25 | Macer | and i need a damn n810 NOW.. my scan tool is going to get here soon |
| 13:40.43 | Macer | i should have never bid on this one :) i just don't want to buy one somewhere then win the bid on the n810 on ebay then be stuck wtih 2 |
| 13:41.13 | Macer | carman made maemo worthwhile to have again |
| 13:42.20 | javispedro | sge, I just confirmed than I cannot play more than one stream at once with alsa as configured by default on my n810 |
| 13:42.28 | Macer | maybe i can spray paint it and sell it off as a wimax editin for $1500 on amazon |
| 13:42.29 | javispedro | so it's esd or nothing |
| 13:43.57 | Macer | http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=sr_1_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249047808&sr=8-1 |
| 13:44.14 | Macer | baltimore seriously has that much of a demand? |
| 13:46.27 | VDVsx | dneary, I'll comment the rest of the proposals in the queue until the end of the day, to see if we can agree in a few more ;) |
| 13:47.08 | Macer | VDVsx: are you developing for maemo? |
| 13:48.00 | VDVsx | Macer, sort of, but I'm not a nokian ;) |
| 13:48.14 | Macer | haha |
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| 13:48.39 | Macer | i was just curious since the newer maemo won't really support the older hardware |
| 13:48.53 | Macer | was wondering if people were still going to dev for it or if mer was the only valid solution |
| 13:50.58 | javispedro | my egocentric answer for that is "i will develop for it as long as I use it" |
| 13:51.08 | Macer | javispedro: haha |
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| 13:51.37 | Jaffa | VDVsx dneary: I'd noticed the dev. heavy slant as well :-/ |
| 13:51.52 | Macer | i suppose that is one answer for it.. i mean.. i'm sure that soon after the release of the newer IT .. support for old maemo will drop to null as the flies go towards the brighter light |
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| 13:52.18 | javispedro | this is not the first time this happens -- see 770 |
| 13:52.38 | Macer | 770 was still supported by newer vers of maemo |
| 13:52.45 | VDVsx | Jaffa, time to propose a users talk :P |
| 13:52.55 | Macer | next ver of maemo will stop working altogether |
| 13:53.24 | Macer | so it's either mer or hope that someone will still do something with older maemo.. which i doubt will hold on to many developers |
| 13:54.22 | dneary | Jaffa: Yup |
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| 13:55.14 | dneary | Jaffa: The best way to avoid a dev heavy slant is to have people presenting the cool stuff you can do with their apps or their tablets; tablet hacks, cool apps, things like that |
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| 13:57.50 | VDVsx | dneary, I will propose a BlueMaemo LT, a session is too much IMO :) |
| 13:58.02 | dneary | Cool |
| 13:58.18 | dneary | I'd like to see more people proposing lightning talks rather than defaulting to presentations |
| 13:58.19 | Jaffa | dneary: 25 mins is /quite/ a lot to fill with user-focused stuff on a single app (unless it's a big app like OOo etc.) |
| 13:58.30 | dneary | VDVsx: What do you think of America's got Talent lightning talks? |
| 13:58.42 | dneary | Jaffa: Not really |
| 13:59.03 | dneary | Jaffa: I have given full-day workshops on the GIMP where people were howling for more |
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| 13:59.22 | VDVsx | dneary, lol, depends |
| 13:59.40 | dneary | Jaffa: It's fairly simple: 2 minutes introduction, 5 minute segments on "here's a cool thing someone did with the app, here's how" |
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| 13:59.57 | VDVsx | dneary, "There's already a pymaemo presentation" ?, this isn't true , pyQt :) |
| 13:59.58 | dneary | Jaffa: Let's take the example of NumptyPhysics |
| 14:00.14 | dneary | VDVsx: I was sure we'd approved a pymaemo presentation |
| 14:00.21 | dneary | VDVsx: Maybe I was wrong... checking |
| 14:00.28 | VDVsx | hummm |
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| 14:06.32 | VDVsx | dneary, anyway, this is a clearly no for me, by the reasons pointed in the wiki, don't mean to be harsh, but by the maemo-devel flow, the proponent don't seems to master the proposed topic, at least atm |
| 14:07.06 | dneary | Yes, you're right, no pymaemo presentation |
| 14:07.21 | dneary | VDVsx: Very good point |
| 14:07.38 | dneary | It's not just the topic we're evaluating, also the proposer |
| 14:07.46 | dneary | Jaffa: OK - Numpty |
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| 14:07.58 | dneary | Start with the background story of Crayon Physics |
| 14:08.03 | dneary | 2 mins |
| 14:08.19 | dneary | Explain the principle. 2 mins |
| 14:08.39 | dneary | Maybe 4 if you want to explain all the various stuff you can do like hinges |
| 14:08.55 | dneary | Then play a level, and see people go "aaah" |
| 14:09.09 | dneary | Mention the attention to details, the background like crumpled paper |
| 14:09.18 | dneary | Up to 10 mins already |
| 14:09.48 | dneary | Next, level editor - show how it's a simple png editor (more or less) |
| 14:10.04 | dneary | And create a new level, from scratch, in 5 minutes |
| 14:10.09 | dneary | Show a kid playing with it :) |
| 14:10.18 | dneary | Call up an audience member for a live demo |
| 14:10.28 | Jaffa | dneary: I'd count "GIMP" in the "complex apps" category. NumptyPhysics probably too. But, Tear; Modest; Doom; Vagalume; Mauku etc. (thinking about the apps I use most)... |
| 14:10.49 | dneary | And you've made a very entertaining 25 minute presentation, with 3 cool segments - the game principle, the game itself, and the level editor |
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| 14:11.03 | dneary | What does Tear do? |
| 14:11.06 | Jaffa | dneary: I don't doubt there are some apps which can fill plenty of time; I don't doubt there are some of those on Maemo. My feeling is that many Maemo apps are a bit too trivial. |
| 14:11.09 | Jaffa | dneary: Web browser. |
| 14:11.15 | VDVsx | Jaffa, dneary as a example LT at Fosdem are 15 min long, and basically most of the presentations are about single apps |
| 14:11.15 | dneary | I'd love to see someone give a proper presentation of Xournal |
| 14:11.26 | dneary | I'm sure there's a bunch of stuff people can do with that that I don't know about |
| 14:11.46 | dneary | VDVsx: Indeed, 15 minutes is even short, if you're giving a well prepared demo |
| 14:12.05 | dneary | Jaffa: In the GIMP, typically I had segments of 30 minutes, which went: |
| 14:12.10 | dneary | 1. Show cool effect I did |
| 14:12.11 | VDVsx | xournal for maemo is a bit abandoned, at lest seems |
| 14:12.39 | dneary | 2. Explain how I did it in 10 easy steps, live demo style, describing what each filter & effect I apply does |
| 14:12.51 | dneary | 3. Get the audience to do the same thing (or something similar) |
| 14:13.08 | dneary | The hard part was the preparation, which took me about 30 hours for an 8 hour workshop |
| 14:13.13 | Jaffa | dneary: As I said, I believe there are apps which you could do it with. But there're very few apps (OTTOMH) on Maemo which even have half the features of GIMP's features. |
| 14:13.21 | dneary | Anyway, gotta go |
| 14:13.25 | Jaffa | s/GIMP's features/GIMP's filters/ |
| 14:14.24 | hugopl | static void sip_api_transfer_to(PyObject *self, PyObject *owner) |
| 14:14.33 | dneary | Jaffa: Perhaps lightning talks are a better format. Or grouping people together to give presentations by use-case: tablet as internet device, tablet as creative device, tablet as personal media device, tablet as accessory to your PC |
| 14:14.47 | dneary | And group different apps in the same usecase together for "showcase" type presentations |
| 14:14.55 | dneary | It's a nice idea, tough to organise |
| 14:15.03 | dneary | And no-one's been proposing sessions like that |
| 14:15.10 | Jaffa | dneary: indeed :( |
| 14:19.03 | lcuk_camping | i would love to have an interactive presentation segment where people from the audience with their devices actually get involved somehow, but wifi and live demo stuff usually throws that out |
| 14:19.13 | lcuk_camping | along with no time to set it up beyond what im already working on ;) |
| 14:22.29 | dneary | lcuk_camping: Do you knnow if there's any P2P IM software out there that we can use for conferences? |
| 14:22.34 | GAN800 | dneary, I'm thinking it might end up being too unpleasant for the presenters. |
| 14:22.46 | dneary | No server, just if you're on the same subnet, you get seen in pidgin |
| 14:22.57 | dneary | GAN800: Depends on whether they're good or not |
| 14:23.06 | lcuk_camping | old school net msg thing used to work |
| 14:23.13 | dneary | GAN800: 25 minutes is a short time slot, believe me it goes *really* fast |
| 14:23.31 | dneary | Gotta go |
| 14:23.33 | lcuk_camping | i was playing with broadcast address stuff a couple of weeks ago |
| 14:23.42 | qwerty12_N810 | dneary: avahi? |
| 14:23.43 | dneary | See you all tomorrow (I'm babysitting this evening) |
| 14:23.45 | qwerty12_N810 | iirc |
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| 14:24.00 | dneary | qwerty12_N810: Avahi is the zeroconf implementation |
| 14:24.06 | dneary | It does service discovery, not services |
| 14:24.50 | nomis | dneary: you can register services with avahi of course. Avahi then announces them to the outside world. |
| 14:24.51 | qwerty12_N810 | IIRC, it can be used for chatting, I had an session between rtcomm-beta running on the tablet and Pidgin on the desktop |
| 14:25.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Or something uses it, dunno |
| 14:25.20 | javispedro | I assume you're talking about salut? |
| 14:25.29 | javispedro | didn't know it was on rtcomm |
| 14:25.42 | lcuk_camping | dneary, i know you are going, the problem is that users wont all be on the same subnet, most wont configure to the same subnet unless they are talking to infrastructure anyway |
| 14:25.52 | lcuk_camping | i know you aint here (like me lol) |
| 14:27.47 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: yep, that's the one, thanks. rtcomm beta has it listed as link-local (xmpp) |
| 14:28.41 | javispedro | oh, nice. that's a good reason now to download rtcomm :) |
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| 14:31.19 | javispedro | <<"Windows Mobile" to become "Windows Phone">> heh. |
| 14:31.59 | GAN800 | personally doesn't much love the idea of people getting buzzed off. |
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| 14:40.24 | RST38h | reMoo |
| 14:42.18 | RST38h | javis: they finally renamed winmo into windows te? |
| 14:45.14 | javispedro | windows te? |
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| 14:52.10 | RST38h | javis: the Turd Edition |
| 14:52.58 | javispedro | lol :) |
| 14:55.16 | RST38h | android will hopefully savr us from it... |
| 14:55.26 | RST38h | s/savr/save |
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| 15:20.17 | fiferboy | lbt: I have fingerscrolling working smoothly with photos in birdlist now |
| 15:20.28 | fiferboy | As smoothly as without, on the device |
| 15:24.30 | woglinde | fiferboy? |
| 15:25.20 | fiferboy | woglinde? |
| 15:25.48 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:25.54 | fiferboy | Ah. I had an issue with my tableview using fingerscrolling |
| 15:25.57 | woglinde | can you make some video? |
| 15:26.18 | fiferboy | It worked quickly enough with no photos, but when I had them enabled it was extremely jerky |
| 15:26.23 | woglinde | yeah I read on the qt4-maemo list |
| 15:26.48 | woglinde | what was the error exactly? |
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| 15:27.09 | woglinde | the 16/24 bit xserver stuff? |
| 15:27.10 | woglinde | or more |
| 15:27.15 | fiferboy | woglinde: It was my own program, generating a thumbnail each time it was needed from a larger file |
| 15:27.26 | woglinde | oh |
| 15:27.31 | woglinde | hehe |
| 15:27.31 | woglinde | yes |
| 15:27.34 | woglinde | caching rockz |
| 15:27.36 | fiferboy | I switched to generating the thumbnails at load time (which lengthen the load but I am working on that) |
| 15:35.01 | lcuk_camping | store thumbs in db and move the time to "insert into" stage |
| 15:36.26 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: Storing thumbs in the db is a pain, especially since I can change the thumbnail size at any point as a user |
| 15:36.55 | fiferboy | There is also the issue of how to determine if the file is still in existance, the thumbnails can get out-of-date |
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| 15:37.27 | lcuk_camping | how many thumbs are you going to generate when opening the list tho? |
| 15:37.34 | fiferboy | I think I am going to load the list as normal, then load the thumbnails as a separate thread and have them appear as-they-load |
| 15:37.41 | lcuk_camping | thats a tough problem to overcome and one which gets worse as the db grows |
| 15:38.01 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: It depends. Right now about 100, I think |
| 15:38.20 | lcuk_camping | are these images taken with onboard camera or imported from anywhere? |
| 15:38.50 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: imported from anywhere |
| 15:39.18 | lcuk_camping | so dynamically loading and thumbing 100 images in a thread just because you opened a screen? |
| 15:39.34 | lcuk_camping | even if they just sit at the top only showing the first 5 pictures |
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| 15:40.07 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: Yes. |
| 15:40.07 | lcuk_camping | (i have been through all these questions myself..) |
| 15:40.15 | fiferboy | Because it takes too long to load them when fingerscrolling, I end up losing many frames |
| 15:40.24 | lcuk_camping | is there a "showing" event for a single cell in a list.. |
| 15:40.52 | lcuk_camping | but thats only whilst actually scrolling - you COULD have your image loading thread be smart |
| 15:41.01 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: I think so, but I want the thumbnail to be avialable for the showing event, not generated on it |
| 15:41.06 | lcuk_camping | and say "if kinetic in motion, wait" |
| 15:41.25 | lcuk_camping | that way you get dynamic load on demand, but it just delays itself whilst you smoothly scroll |
| 15:41.32 | lcuk_camping | (thats how liqbase has done it for ages) |
| 15:41.58 | lcuk_camping | showing event != shown event |
| 15:42.08 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: But what if I am scrolling through the list looking for a particular photo? I won't be able to find it if I delay showing while scrolling |
| 15:42.31 | lcuk_camping | but you wont anyway because your thread wont have caught up with as fast as you can scroll |
| 15:42.41 | lcuk_camping | i guarantee whichever speed you do it you can scroll faster :P |
| 15:42.56 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: It could have if I have been doodling around with other things at the start |
| 15:43.00 | lcuk_camping | thumbing 10mpixel images |
| 15:43.06 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: That is only an issue right after the program loads. |
| 15:43.14 | lcuk_camping | then it would have worked anyway |
| 15:43.26 | lcuk_camping | because the thread only pauses when you are scrolling |
| 15:43.45 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: Ah, you are saying pause my thread while scrolling, I missed that |
| 15:44.03 | lcuk_camping | yeah :) you get best of both |
| 15:44.29 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: I could give my thread an idle priority, then it won't process while other things are going on (I think) |
| 15:44.41 | lcuk_camping | threading isnt perfect lol |
| 15:44.41 | fiferboy | The N900 is going to have multiple cores, right :) |
| 15:45.05 | lcuk_camping | i dunno |
| 15:45.12 | lcuk_camping | and i dunno if we can use em |
| 15:45.21 | lcuk_camping | there might be a nokia virus checker lol |
| 15:45.28 | lcuk_camping | especially after the news of sms hacking |
| 15:45.56 | lcuk_camping | anyway im goin properly for the weekend now ;) |
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| 15:49.18 | fiferboy | lcuk_camping: Thanks for the advice |
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| 15:58.21 | cpm_ | Is there a way to get gcc 4 into the Maemo 4 sdk? per default gcc 3 is in there |
| 15:59.40 | woglinde | cpm for which target? |
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| 16:03.27 | cpm_ | woglinde: for the armel target |
| 16:03.49 | woglinde | cpm chinook diablod cococaam,ma? |
| 16:04.44 | cpm_ | we are having problems with g++ 3.4 and static object initialization |
| 16:04.45 | cpm_ | Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo |
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| 16:15.32 | woglinde | cpm nope its no possible |
| 16:15.52 | woglinde | devices are running to old gcc and libc |
| 16:16.28 | cpm_ | so if i would update the device to Maemo 5, this would be the only way? |
| 16:16.43 | derf | gcc 3.4 on ARM is seriously broken. |
| 16:18.20 | cpm_ | derf: is there any way to get another gcc running in Maemo 4 SDK? |
| 16:18.40 | cpm_ | I have severe issues with static object initialization and crashes when loading the program (not even running ...) |
| 16:19.01 | derf | Use a newer scratchbox. |
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| 16:19.25 | derf | There's gcc 4 modules even for sb1. |
| 16:20.05 | woglinde | derf how will this work on the device? |
| 16:20.13 | woglinde | when it comes to libgcc needs |
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| 16:21.37 | kvalo | hello. I want to run vanilla debian on n800, basically I need just working serial console, sshd and udev. any tips where I could find a ready debian rootfs image? |
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| 16:24.02 | derf | woglinde: For C I've had no issues with it. For C++, I dunno. I don't use C++. |
| 16:24.17 | woglinde | def intressting |
| 16:24.30 | woglinde | for c++ you surely needs a newer libstdc++ |
| 16:24.30 | derf | I assume they changed the C++ ABI 8 times between each gcc release. |
| 16:24.45 | derf | This is one of the reasons I don't use it. |
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| 16:25.52 | lbt | fiferboy: cool. |
| 16:26.01 | qwerty12_N810 | I built aptitude using it and it didn't work with the libstdc++ on the device. Out of laziness, I just LD_PRELOADed the libstdc++ from the gcc4-using target |
| 16:26.05 | lbt | kvalo: hi.. |
| 16:26.30 | derf | qwerty12_N810: Right, it can be worked around... but heaven help you if you need to link with another C++-based library. |
| 16:26.34 | woglinde | qwerty that might work |
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| 16:27.03 | lbt | would almost vanilla Ubuntu be good enough ? Mer would give you that. Key thing is that apt-get install <anything> will work |
| 16:31.51 | kvalo | lbt: the thing is that I don't have display working yet (working with 2.6.30 kernel) and I would like to have as simple installation as possible |
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| 16:32.37 | lbt | Hmm - have you used Mer? |
| 16:32.49 | cpm_ | thanks for all your comments! |
| 16:32.50 | lbt | the boot process includes telnetd etc |
| 16:33.04 | kvalo | lpt: I flashed it once and tried for five minutes, so not much |
| 16:33.16 | lbt | although technically that's bootmenu |
| 16:33.27 | lbt | so you can boot and get ssh via usb |
| 16:33.48 | lbt | most of the time my N800 display is off |
| 16:33.48 | lbt | I use ssh |
| 16:34.03 | kvalo | I have hw serial console, so that's not a problem |
| 16:34.06 | lardman | Jaffa: ping |
| 16:34.25 | lbt | kvalo: so what are you doing? |
| 16:34.38 | lbt | is a new kernel the objective? |
| 16:35.22 | kvalo | lbt: yeah, the goal is to have n800/n810 support to linus' tree |
| 16:35.38 | lbt | you should really be working with Mer |
| 16:35.45 | lardman | Jaffa: re 1 year terms, am thinking about it |
| 16:35.54 | lardman | pops to the shops quickly |
| 16:36.13 | kvalo | lbt: thanks. I'll take a look at it again. |
| 16:36.13 | lbt | we use Ubuntu as it is armv5el whereas Debian is armv4 |
| 16:36.17 | lbt | #mer |
| 16:36.32 | lbt | We're doing work in the kernel space |
| 16:36.51 | lbt | The SmartQ guys commited their kernel to the Mer Gitorious repo |
| 16:37.14 | Stskeeps | kvalo: your effort is much appreciated btw :) been trying to direct people to it extensively |
| 16:37.33 | lbt | here you go http://gitorious.org/mer-smartq |
| 16:37.40 | lbt | ah, Stskeeps is back :) |
| 16:37.58 | lbt | thought you were still on the train |
| 16:38.23 | Stskeeps | n810.. |
| 16:38.31 | lbt | BTW, Adrian is reviewing my patches for the OBS build |
| 16:38.38 | kvalo | lbt: ok, thanks. |
| 16:38.41 | Stskeeps | lbt, kvalo=kalle valo=guy from stlc45xx and elinux.org/N800 |
| 16:39.02 | lbt | ah.... hi kvalo |
| 16:40.26 | Stskeeps | kvalo: simple debian install? our old method was debootstrap from within a qemu-system-arm image |
| 16:40.26 | kvalo | Stskeeps: well, this is an on/off project of mine and I have been slow. doing other stuff than computers for the whole july. |
| 16:40.36 | Stskeeps | and putting that on sd, pointing root= the right place |
| 16:40.37 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 16:40.41 | kvalo | Stskeeps: any tarballs or rootfs images around? like I said, I need only sshd and udev for now. |
| 16:41.06 | kvalo | mmc is not working yet for me. maybe I need to add that next :) |
| 16:41.43 | Stskeeps | kvalo: ah, then i would grab a mer jffs |
| 16:42.03 | kvalo | ok. two votes for mer :) |
| 16:42.19 | Stskeeps | we're also more than happy to be guinea pigs |
| 16:42.40 | Stskeeps | since mainlining will help us a lot :) |
| 16:42.47 | kvalo | I don't know if this ever is going to be usable for anyone. but let's see how it goes |
| 16:43.00 | Stskeeps | yep |
| 16:43.04 | kvalo | omap power management will be tricky. nobody supports it properly |
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| 16:43.36 | kvalo | and the bloody dsme and bme interface. man I hate them |
| 16:43.44 | kvalo | s/interface/interfaces/ |
| 16:43.45 | Stskeeps | take a look at solca's nitdroid patches and nthcode's android patches. some of the effort have been done before |
| 16:43.51 | woglinde | kvalo for the n8xx pm works well by only using the lowest freqency of the cpu |
| 16:44.34 | Stskeeps | dsme is OSS now, bme we probably need to talk with nokia about interfaces |
| 16:45.22 | Stskeeps | or how it can be used in modern kernels |
| 16:45.54 | kvalo | yeah, we will figure out something in the end |
| 16:46.05 | kvalo | woglinde: but what about retention etc? |
| 16:46.24 | Stskeeps | i don't personally see sense in developing specifically so we can get diablo going though |
| 16:46.53 | lbt | what kernel is fremantle targetting BTW? |
| 16:47.29 | kvalo | looks away... |
| 16:48.27 | kvalo | oh yeah, now I remember. mer didn't gave getty running on ttyS0. that was my problem. |
| 16:48.51 | lbt | I was wondering about that |
| 16:49.50 | lbt | should be trivial to fix :) |
| 16:50.09 | kvalo | yes :) |
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| 16:56.35 | Stskeeps | kvalo: /etc/event.d/tty1 , copy and edit for ttyS0 :) |
| 16:57.26 | Stskeeps | grab our rootfs, untar, re-mkfs.jffs2 it |
| 16:57.34 | carlosroundel | hello i'm newbie owner of n810 |
| 16:58.02 | carlosroundel | c'e' qualche italiano online? |
| 16:58.03 | kvalo | Stskeeps: thanks a lot! |
| 16:58.12 | Stskeeps | kvalo: anytime |
| 16:58.50 | carlosroundel | can i place ext2fs on internal mmc? |
| 16:59.45 | Stskeeps | kvalo: we hang out in #mer as well |
| 17:00.25 | kvalo | good, I can ask my stupid questions there instead :) |
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| 17:03.28 | Saviq | hi guys, do you know if there's some kind of a simple gps logger available for maemo? |
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| 17:04.25 | Saviq | I use maemo-mapper to track but it's not crash-proof |
| 17:04.51 | Saviq | it happened to me twice recently that something went wrong and maemo-mapper got interrupted |
| 17:04.58 | Saviq | and so I lost the track |
| 17:05.45 | Saviq | also maemo mapper causes the screen to light up when gps is enabled and I'd like to keep power usage to the minimum |
| 17:06.37 | derf | Saviq: There's a maemo-mapper setting that controls that. |
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| 17:07.07 | derf | Also, I thought it stored the track in a database for exactly that reason, and has for over a year. |
| 17:07.26 | Saviq | well it probably does but when it crashes it got lost |
| 17:07.35 | Saviq | probably something got corrupted |
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| 17:07.47 | Saviq | so I'd like something that writes directly to file |
| 17:07.53 | derf | The point of databases is not to get corrupted when things crash. |
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| 17:08.13 | derf | Anyway, the source is open. |
| 17:08.13 | Saviq | well that doesn't seem to have worked for me... |
| 17:09.27 | Saviq | also, the cpu usage of wayfinder + maemo-mapper + canola is big enough to cause hiccups in playback from canola so I wanted something with a lower footprint |
| 17:09.45 | Saviq | just wanted to know if there's something like that done already |
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| 17:11.43 | leandroal | I need to download the latest image (.bin, the diablo?) for my n810, where can I download it? |
| 17:12.00 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com |
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| 17:14.15 | leandroal | Stskeeps, where can I get instructions to flash it? I already download the flash program... |
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| 17:14.27 | Saviq | leandroal: google |
| 17:14.35 | tank-man | ~flash |
| 17:14.35 | infobot | well, flash is For an EEPROM (flash) programmer that can handle any chip except +12V ones, go to http://fly.hiwaay.net/~jfrohwei/circuit/, or a proprietary format for online animations by Macromedia. However "GPL Flash" has now been released @ http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/, or wget http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/special/beta/installers/linux/plugin/install_flash_player_6_linux.tar.gz, or ap |
| 17:14.40 | Saviq | there's a ton of sites describing that |
| 17:14.48 | leandroal | Saviq, this is not what I asked |
| 17:15.05 | tank-man | lol |
| 17:15.07 | GAN800 | Damn. This Celeron machine is putting out enough EMI to scramble two FM radios from 30' away. |
| 17:15.21 | GAN800 | ~flashing |
| 17:15.21 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:15.24 | tank-man | here http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:16.27 | leandroal | Thanks! |
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| 17:35.14 | ShadowJK | GAN800, try unplugging the ethernet switch |
| 17:35.38 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, oh? |
| 17:37.17 | GAN800 | ShadowJK, changed the quality of the interference, but didn't stop it. |
| 17:39.38 | ShadowJK | (Ethernet runs at 100MHz, if it leaks it leaks right on FM) |
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| 17:40.40 | ShadowJK | At work there's a ~10 metre radius area from one of the ethernet jacks that has FM blacked out :) |
| 17:42.06 | lardman | will have to proof read his emails better |
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| 17:55.06 | GAN800 | doesn't love the idea of year-long terms. |
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| 17:56.17 | StsN810 | likes the change. if year long, resignation should be possible |
| 17:56.19 | GAN800 | I know I certainly wouldn't wish to sign on for a year's time. |
| 17:56.40 | GAN800 | That's an awfully long obligation to ask people to commit to. |
| 17:57.25 | StsN810 | i'll vote for the GAN party. |
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| 17:57.50 | GAN800 | cringes at the reservered spot for women idea. |
| 17:57.58 | GAN800 | Talk about sexism . . . |
| 17:58.22 | StsN810 | i demandspace for transsexuals! |
| 17:58.47 | GAN800 | StsN810, the GAN800 party ensendorsing sjgadsby. ;) |
| 18:00.07 | sjgadsby | Ack! |
| 18:00.14 | sjgadsby | hides. |
| 18:00.32 | raulherbster | hi, does anyone here have an example with libaccounts library? This package is included on nokia-binaries metapackage. |
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| 18:05.28 | denny | heyla |
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| 18:05.40 | denny | do I want diablo_5 from the firmware page? |
| 18:05.44 | denny | haven't updated this thing in a year or so :) |
| 18:07.38 | denny | checks... 2.2007 - I guess two years then |
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| 18:10.13 | VDVsx | denny, there's a diablo firmware from the end of 2008 |
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| 18:11.16 | denny | nods |
| 18:11.19 | denny | grabbing that, thanks |
| 18:11.30 | denny | I meant the version currently on my tablet is 2.2007 |
| 18:11.38 | denny | slightly out of date :) |
| 18:11.50 | denny | anything else good I should know about, while I'm spring-cleaning it? |
| 18:11.52 | VDVsx | denny, true |
| 18:12.09 | StsN800 | Tear. |
| 18:12.10 | denny | recommended email client maybe? |
| 18:12.19 | denny | StsN800: what's that? |
| 18:12.38 | StsN800 | wiki.maemo.org/Tea |
| 18:12.41 | StsN800 | wiki.maemo.org/Tear |
| 18:12.58 | VDVsx | GAN800 recomends modest as a mail client :P lolol |
| 18:13.07 | VDVsx | just kidding ;) |
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| 18:16.43 | denny | watches the flasher run |
| 18:17.03 | denny | this is always mildly terrifying :) |
| 18:17.18 | denny | I dunno why, it's not like I keep anything important on there |
| 18:17.19 | StsN800 | only on 770 |
| 18:17.34 | denny | ewwww, nokia start-up sound |
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| 18:32.13 | denny | hrm |
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| 18:32.51 | denny | the applications manager seems quite empty compared to what I remember... had I added extra repositories? where would I find a list of good ones? |
| 18:33.11 | qwerty12_N810 | enable Extras |
| 18:33.21 | qwerty12_N810 | (it's disabled by default) |
| 18:33.50 | denny | ta |
| 18:33.54 | denny | reloads the list |
| 18:34.15 | denny | whee :) |
| 18:36.06 | Macer | strange |
| 18:37.12 | Macer | strange that cell companies can offer unlimited net |
| 18:37.28 | Macer | but not unlimited voice for a reasonable rate |
| 18:38.03 | StsN801 | it's not really unlimited |
| 18:38.25 | denny | yah, see the fair usage policy |
| 18:38.44 | Macer | heh |
| 18:38.50 | denny | although I guess they could say 'unlimited calls, fair usage policy applies' and then in the fair usage policy say 'up to 200 minutes per month' or whatever |
| 18:38.57 | Macer | well. it's like 5-10G |
| 18:39.12 | denny | the fine print has got ridiculous these days, they might as well scrap the truth in advertising laws in the UK, dunno about elsewhere |
| 18:39.39 | denny | I'm on Vodafone UK, my 'unlimited' data is 500MB |
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| 18:40.26 | Macer | for tmob it is about 5-10G |
| 18:40.59 | Macer | that is more than enough to talk for the entire month the entire time @ 64kbit/s |
| 18:41.21 | StsN801 | unlimited just means you can access whole net, just like old aol ;p |
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| 18:43.18 | Macer | lol |
| 18:43.36 | RST38h | remoo |
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| 18:58.52 | ShadowJK | pushed 40 gigs over EDGE last month |
| 18:59.14 | ShadowJK | I guess "fair use" restrictio nis somewhere above that then |
| 19:00.36 | RST38h | thst should have taken time |
| 19:01.44 | denny | is canola still the best mp3/ogg/etc player? |
| 19:02.22 | yigal | if I want to remove items from the menu do I remove their desktop file from /usr/share/applications/hildon/, also if so what else do I need to do to remove it? |
| 19:03.22 | RST38h | just that |
| 19:03.36 | RST38h | and jpdate the app cache |
| 19:04.24 | yigal | RST38h: how do I update the app cache? |
| 19:05.31 | yigal | I know it isn't update-desktop-database, but I don't know what it is? |
| 19:07.09 | RST38h | thats it |
| 19:07.31 | yigal | maybe I should run it as usr not root, let me see |
| 19:08.24 | yigal | no that's not it |
| 19:08.37 | RST38h | no run it as root |
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| 19:11.03 | yigal | no that's not it |
| 19:11.30 | yigal | do I need to restart the it? |
| 19:11.36 | yigal | afterwords |
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| 19:16.24 | VDVsx | breaks the rule "don't feed the troll" for the first time in tmo :( |
| 19:16.53 | yigal | this didn't do it? |
| 19:18.20 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: It happens to many of us. There are support groups and charities available to help you with your decision. |
| 19:18.59 | VDVsx | thanks for your kind words qwerty12_N810 :) |
| 19:19.08 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
| 19:19.19 | denny | reads about email clients, can't find anything definitive |
| 19:19.32 | denny | modest has some good write-ups, but I assume from what you said in here that I should skip that? |
| 19:19.40 | denny | claw-mail is what I was using before, is that still my best bet? |
| 19:20.13 | yigal | it depends on what you want from a mail client. |
| 19:21.49 | RST38h | Vdv: actually driving trolls to suicide is fun |
| 19:22.14 | denny | yigal: to read my email? :) |
| 19:22.32 | yigal | yes, one should drive trolls to suicide, this is best if possible |
| 19:22.32 | denny | I've got a few different inboxes, with different outgoing address for each one |
| 19:23.52 | VDVsx | RST38h, lolol, I'm not so mean |
| 19:24.18 | yigal | VDVsx: it's for their own good |
| 19:24.39 | yigal | it's not mean to help them, if they won't help themselves |
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| 19:25.24 | yigal | denny: try Claws, I guess, though I find Modest perfectly usable |
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| 19:27.22 | VDVsx | denny, please don't get a wrong impression about modest, I only made a joke because GAN800 is always complaining about modest, to be fair I never used modest in diablo |
| 19:27.31 | RST38h | VDV; ah once you stop considering trolls human and start -ooking at them as brainboxes with locks to pick, it simply becomes an intellectual puzzle of sorts |
| 19:27.32 | yigal | RST38h: I had the .desktop files I wanted gone in a subdirectory of /usr/share/applications/hildon/, and I guess update-desktop-database recursively searches in this folder for .desktop files |
| 19:27.38 | denny | ah, okay :) |
| 19:27.52 | RST38h | yigla: correct |
| 19:28.03 | yigal | RST38h: snap |
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| 19:30.29 | yigal | RST38h: I switched out iceweasel, and openoffice for texlive in the easy debian chroot so I wanted to delete these choices from the menu. I'm glad this can be done pretty easily. |
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| 19:32.16 | RST38h | it is usually automated in postinst and whatever other script runs at package removal |
| 19:33.55 | yigal | RST38h: yes I understand, it's just that Qole, I assume it was him, manually installed these .desktop files for use with the chroot, but now they are a pain rather than a use to me. |
| 19:35.25 | javispedro | is waiting for glibc to build 3 times in a row (~burn complex build systems) |
| 19:37.33 | lbt | javispedro: try waiting for gcc; glibc; libcurses; bash; build to cycle round about 3 times |
| 19:38.07 | javispedro | heh |
| 19:38.25 | javispedro | and to think I'm not using gentoo because of his long build times |
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| 19:38.58 | javispedro | (*its long build times; that's enough humanization for today) |
| 19:39.37 | denny | thanks for the tips people - got to head off now, but I'll be back another day no doubt :) |
| 19:40.50 | javispedro | ccache does nothing but waste disk space. i think it's using mtime to decide if a file is modified or not |
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| 19:51.00 | RST38h | Q: I think makefiles suck and cant do what I want so I made my own super duper build system in xml, perl, python, and java. What should I do next? |
| 19:52.16 | StsN800 | become a j2ee professionnal |
| 19:52.21 | qwerty12_N810 | had to make changes to a program using WAF. Hated it. |
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| 19:58.09 | RST38h | A: Stick it ... ... .... ... ... |
| 19:58.37 | RST38h | (and yes, this includes automake) |
| 19:59.09 | derf | I know when I think, "What's better than XML, Perl, Python, and Java?" I think "M4!" |
| 19:59.27 | StsN800 | oh dear |
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| 20:04.46 | RST38h | murders derf in absentia |
| 20:05.09 | RST38h | next: lisp. then probably prolog. |
| 20:05.36 | derf | Yeah, why _don't_ we have a logic induction engine in our build system? |
| 20:05.55 | RST38h | the moment somebody makes a production build system in prolog will be the apocalypse |
| 20:06.15 | RST38h | derf: easy answer to that |
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| 20:07.09 | RST38h | derf: so that our build system Jalready evil enough) DOES NOT GET ANY IDEAS ON ITS OWN |
| 20:07.41 | derf | No, no, see, if the _build_ system does the thinking, I don't have to, right? |
| 20:07.50 | derf | I don't see how this plan could possibly fail. |
| 20:08.54 | RST38h | replace "don't" with "didn't" and you are absolutely correct |
| 20:09.52 | RST38h | or how about a probabilistic build system? |
| 20:11.00 | derf | Are you trying to suggest it's not a good idea to have a complicated and hard to predict system control a highly structured, fragile process? |
| 20:11.30 | RST38h | yes, I know it is heresy |
| 20:11.43 | derf | What we need is for Wolfram Alpha to be our build system. |
| 20:12.19 | RST38h | Wolfram will do a reiser before that |
| 20:12.58 | glass | hehe |
| 20:13.51 | coldboot | Does anyone have the GoF Design Patterns book in eBook format? |
| 20:14.03 | coldboot | A PDF is best. |
| 20:14.55 | RST38h | <sleep> |
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| 20:38.51 | chx | ooooooooh an N811! |
| 20:38.56 | chx | May i get an upgrade too? |
| 20:39.12 | qwerty12_N810 | No, :P |
| 20:40.04 | chx | sniff! |
| 20:43.08 | Macer | 13:56 * ShadowJK pushed 40 gigs over EDGE last month |
| 20:43.10 | Macer | haha |
| 20:43.18 | Macer | ShadowJK: for some reason they don't care that much about edge |
| 20:43.25 | Macer | i think all their monitoring is done with 3G |
| 20:43.53 | Macer | even so. the slowest edge has the ability to support more than enough data to stream voice comm |
| 20:44.09 | Macer | and its use isn't considered "minutes" |
| 20:45.35 | ShadowJK | I'd think they'd care less about 3G since it has greater efficiency |
| 20:46.49 | Macer | heh |
| 20:46.54 | Macer | awkward isn't it? ;) |
| 20:47.08 | Macer | i think it's more of the "too much of a good thing" mentality |
| 20:47.29 | Macer | kind of like if people were able to keep batteries underneath their homes |
| 20:47.44 | Macer | huge batteries that could run the house for months |
| 20:47.53 | Macer | and they only drew power during low cost months |
| 20:47.53 | Macer | :) |
| 20:47.59 | Macer | to fill the batteries |
| 20:48.12 | Macer | that similie was way overcomplicated |
| 20:48.21 | Macer | goes to take a nap while he waits on his pizza to show |
| 20:59.38 | ShadowJK | batteries are too expensive :) |
| 21:00.42 | ShadowJK | There's one company that makes truck sized batteries for power balancing |
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| 21:16.43 | jhford | qwerty12_N810: you are the person who did the initfs_flasher right? |
| 21:17.10 | qwerty12_N810 | No, that would be fanoush who does not frequent IRC |
| 21:17.13 | jhford | oh, ok |
| 21:18.27 | jhford | do you know the 'proper' way to copy the root filesystem from on the device to on the computer? |
| 21:19.58 | qwerty12_N810 | tar (if done from a cloned SD install/initfs) should work but in the rare times I've done, I've used mkfs.jffs2 from initfs and mounted the resulting image on the computer |
| 21:20.13 | qwerty12_N810 | s/done/done it |
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| 21:26.50 | jhford | i am finding that i can rsync -a and it will boot but certain gui elements won't work correctly |
| 21:27.50 | jhford | like the button theming on the shutdown prmopt and as a result the system is not stable |
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| 21:29.54 | lardman | night all |
| 21:32.07 | jhford | qwerty12_N810: so you are booting to the initfs? |
| 21:32.09 | jhford | how does that work |
| 21:33.19 | qwerty12_N810 | jhford: bootmenu has a recovery mode that lets you ssh in via usb |
| 21:34.02 | jhford | ohh, i don't have a usb networking card :( |
| 21:34.23 | javispedro | the n810 _acts_ as a usb networking card |
| 21:34.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Using the usb port on the tablet :) |
| 21:34.44 | jhford | that is neat |
| 21:35.01 | jhford | i do have booting from a flash card set up, so i guess i can do that as well |
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| 21:35.39 | jhford | it is just getting annoying when i create my own image and it doesn't have the shutdown prompt working |
| 21:35.41 | talig | Gtk --> Meh. |
| 21:36.39 | jhford | right, but there are other things wrong with it |
| 21:36.53 | jhford | i.e. it is not completing tests that non-imaged n810s are doing fine |
| 21:37.07 | talig | jhford: I'm struggling with it myself right now. What's your problem? |
| 21:37.49 | talig | jhford: I try to put a custom image in a toolbar, and my script crashes because a "physical_to_logical" assertion is failing somewhere inside gtk :( |
| 21:38.33 | jhford | well, when i do an image by booting from a flash card and mounting /dev/mtdblock4 and rsync -a 'ing that onto a pc then running mkfs.jffs2 on the pc it doesn't properly theme the gtk buttons |
| 21:39.02 | jhford | but if i use the mkfs.jffs2 that is in the initfs_flasher.tgz package and create the image on device, gtk works fine |
| 21:39.15 | jhford | talig: i am not really doing any scripting on device :( |
| 21:39.47 | talig | Hmmm... Interesting. I'm going to try something. brb |
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| 21:42.48 | talig | oh well, that was a nice yet futile try :( jhford, I was wondering if I will save a copy of the image on the device if that would fix it. The answer is no |
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| 21:43.10 | jhford | if i use mkfs.jffs2 on device i can clone the device as much as i like |
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| 21:51.02 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 21:51.04 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 8d 18h 42m 50s ago, saying: ' '. |
| 21:51.09 | xnt14 | lol |
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| 22:05.33 | javispedro | wonders why not only he has to build glibc three times, but also why he has to see the glibc tests pass with perfect marks... 3 times. all while his athlon burns at nearly 90ÂșC. then remembers some people actually build _on_ the tablet |
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| 22:12.50 | talig | Anyone here that wrote some pygtk apps? I'm contemplating on smashing my N810 against the wall... |
| 22:13.27 | qwerty12_N810 | did that with his N800, touchscreen has never been the same since... |
| 22:14.51 | woglinde | cool -> http://www.igep-platform.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=55 |
| 22:16.00 | javispedro | it has wifi! |
| 22:16.09 | woglinde | and ethernet |
| 22:16.13 | talig | qwerty12_N810: I did it with the floor yesterday and my old Nokia 6120 - proving a point about what Nokia do well and should stick to ;) |
| 22:16.14 | woglinde | and 512 nand |
| 22:16.26 | javispedro | kaufen kaufen kaufen |
| 22:18.09 | woglinde | javispedro erst ab september |
| 22:24.01 | javispedro | pretty nice |
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| 22:24.35 | talig | Ah! Progress!!! Damn totally uninformative error messages... |
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| 22:38.06 | wazd__ | eeeh |
| 22:38.18 | wazd__ | looks like FF just killed all my bookmarks |
| 22:38.30 | javispedro | ah, the wonders of sqlite |
| 22:38.41 | javispedro | i think you came to the right channel to complain about it :P |
| 22:38.43 | javispedro | ;) |
| 22:39.01 | wazd__ | isn't it anime channel? :) |
| 22:40.18 | javispedro | i am not sure about that, but sqlite has received its fair share of maemo hate ;) |
| 22:40.29 | javispedro | (and love) |
| 22:43.05 | jhford_ | is sqlite on maemo no good? |
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| 23:03.36 | wazd | whew, thanks for Windows, chkdisk saved my life :) |
| 23:05.08 | woglinde | ???? |
| 23:13.31 | talig | Guys - application question: Does anyone know if I can trust Maemo Mapper as a navigational system? |
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| 23:19.51 | till- | does it not just use server based routing provided bei google etc? |
| 23:31.54 | talig | till- I have no idea - that's why I'm asking. |
| 23:32.20 | till- | afaik it's server based |
| 23:32.37 | talig | till-: What's about Carman? |
| 23:32.53 | till- | i got a 3-year license for wayfinder and a car mount for 5,55 euro |
| 23:33.12 | till- | navit may be a free alternative, but it's very beta i think |
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| 23:33.35 | woglinde | hm I heard wayfinder is shit |
| 23:33.53 | till- | works quite well for me |
| 23:34.21 | till- | except it's a little bit slow and you have to change the current map set if you cross a border |
| 23:34.23 | till- | :) |
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| 23:34.46 | talig | till-: Had network issues... Could you repeat? |
| 23:34.58 | till- | <till-> i got a 3-year license for wayfinder and a car mount for 5,55 euro |
| 23:34.58 | till- | <till-> navit may be a free alternative, but it's very beta i think |
| 23:35.02 | till- | <woglinde> hm I heard wayfinder is shit |
| 23:35.02 | till- | <till-> works quite well for me |
| 23:35.02 | till- | <till-> except it's a little bit slow and you have to change the current map set if you cross a border |
| 23:35.02 | till- | <till-> :) |
| 23:35.31 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 23:41.13 | jhford_ | what does the flasher-3.0 --set-root-device mmc boot from? |
| 23:41.36 | jhford_ | (internal or external) |
| 23:46.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Either one it finds /sbin/init on according to /mnt/initfs/linuxrc |
| 23:51.30 | jhford_ | so when i do that does the external card become /dev/mmcblk0 instead of 1? |
| 23:53.01 | jhford_ | apparently |
| 23:53.24 | qwerty12_N810 | External should be 1, but there's a nice bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2747 |
| 23:55.34 | jhford_ | should but isn't correct? |
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| 23:58.20 | qwerty12_N810 | External is meant to be 1 (and usually is) but that bug (mentioned in that report) can make it 0 under certain situations |
| 23:58.35 | jhford_ | hmm, this seems to be one of those situations |
| 23:58.57 | jhford_ | i have a system on external memory and it was /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 23:59.17 | jhford_ | i even wrote a file to /testing and it was on my sd card |
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