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| 01:25.58 | erik____ | hi |
| 01:26.36 | erik____ | I am using OS2008. I have a few "problems" and I thought you could help me |
| 01:26.50 | erik____ | Is it possible to run script from the file manager ? |
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| 02:30.46 | comhack | Does anyone know where the minimalistic theme is located? I have read through pages of forum posts about it but can not find a link to download it. I am running OS 2008. Thanks |
| 02:33.08 | comhack | I am looking the 2.0 version that is darker. It is by Andrew Black andrewfblack's Avatar |
| 02:33.10 | comhack | andrewfblack andrewfblack is offline |
| 02:33.15 | comhack | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.43 | qwerty12_N810 | It's a theme for tmo, not the tablet |
| 02:33.50 | comhack | ahh thanks |
| 02:33.56 | comhack | that makes sense |
| 02:34.07 | comhack | already using that one on the forums |
| 02:34.09 | comhack | thanks |
| 02:34.24 | comhack | well there is screenshots of it on the tablet though |
| 02:34.43 | comhack | nevermind I see |
| 02:34.54 | comhack | that is the shot of the forum from the nit |
| 02:35.00 | comhack | thanks alot |
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| 05:44.09 | chx | :P |
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| 06:17.10 | sarower | Hello all, Good morning! |
| 06:18.11 | sarower | I am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application |
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| 06:18.45 | sarower | But i can not.....How i can do that..? |
| 06:18.49 | sarower | any help? |
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| 07:11.05 | sarower | I am using the following method to run an application from applet....I want to send some message to the application |
| 07:11.14 | sarower | osso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); |
| 07:11.23 | sarower | But i can not.....How i can do that..? |
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| 07:23.27 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:25.56 | danielwilms | sarower have you seen the example in the documentation? It's not with the async function, but should help you to get it once running. then you can play around with it :) |
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| 07:26.21 | danielwilms | sarower its chapter 6.9.2 for diablo ;) |
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| 07:27.51 | RST38h | moos evilly |
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| 07:44.32 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 07:51.30 | pr0metoys | hi, tried to ask yesterday, but had a bad connection: |
| 07:51.51 | pr0metoys | how can I set midori as default browser in diablo |
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| 07:56.23 | sarower | danielwilms: whose chapter...6.9.2? |
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| 07:57.17 | sarower | danielwilms : do you have any ref..? |
| 07:58.55 | danielwilms | sarower of the diablo documentation |
| 07:59.04 | sarower | oh.... |
| 07:59.08 | sarower | thank you |
| 08:00.18 | danielwilms | sarower for fremantle the documentation of this part is not out yet, but AFAIK there no big changes anyway |
| 08:00.58 | sarower | danielwilms: Oh ok.. thanks... |
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| 08:01.27 | Myrtti | discussion about documentation ⥠|
| 08:01.27 | Myrtti | purrs |
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| 08:05.05 | sarower | danielwilms: Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...? |
| 08:05.40 | sarower | danielwilms: it does not get normally... as like normal application |
| 08:06.38 | danielwilms | sarower...I've done it in python long time ago but I know that there at least the documentation was quite straight forward. hmmm...isn't that mentioned in the docs?? let me have a look |
| 08:07.34 | sarower | danielwilms: in maemo sdk 5 beta.. it is normal.. but maemo sdk 5 beta2 it does not work..! |
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| 08:08.05 | danielwilms | ahh...it is just a beta2 prob...you should mention that! :) |
| 08:08.43 | danielwilms | sarower but does the dbus-monitor work?? |
| 08:09.17 | sarower | danielwilms: Oh i am sorry..I am seeing the dbus- issue....let me know that.. |
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| 08:10.07 | danielwilms | sarower: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#.22dbus-monitor.22_does_not_work_in_Scratchbox._What_can_I_do.3F |
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| 08:12.52 | sarower | danielwilms: dbus-monitor --system |
| 08:12.52 | sarower | Failed to open connection to system message bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
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| 08:14.39 | danielwilms | sarower: I've sent you the link how to solve that |
| 08:15.19 | sarower | danielwilms: above link? |
| 08:15.26 | florian | good morning |
| 08:15.49 | danielwilms | sarower yep |
| 08:16.02 | danielwilms | florian: morning :) |
| 08:16.11 | sarower | danielwilms: Thank you |
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| 08:19.07 | sarower | danielwilms: Previously it was giving error and after giving the command it is showing something... |
| 08:19.15 | sarower | What does it mean...? |
| 08:19.21 | sarower | actually |
| 08:19.33 | RST38h | wonders at which point danielwilms will give up =) |
| 08:20.35 | danielwilms | sarower that it works, actually |
| 08:21.14 | sarower | danielwilms: oh... that means the system is ok... to transfer the message... |
| 08:21.19 | sarower | right? |
| 08:22.00 | sarower | danielwilms: seems now the code will work fine... ok? |
| 08:23.09 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: in the fight for more CPAs: http://slexy.org/view/s2CaM1WbDV |
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| 08:24.43 | danielwilms | sarower ufffff...I don't know your code...at least it has its chance now...I think now (!) is the time where I can't help you any further |
| 08:25.01 | danielwilms | ;) |
| 08:25.04 | RST38h | That was pretty quick |
| 08:25.43 | sarower | danielwilms: I am sorry! don't mind! |
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| 08:26.14 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: oh boy, this gtk.window casting is normal? |
| 08:26.31 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: you have given me the source... to run an application. It works fine.. and opens the application. But how i can send message to that application throght this method? Do you know? |
| 08:26.44 | sarower | osso_rpc_async_run_with_defaults(osso_context, "applicationname", "top_application", NULL, (void*)DBUS_TYPE_STRING, NULL, DBUS_TYPE_INVALID); |
| 08:27.28 | danielwilms | :D |
| 08:27.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I'm just using the data pointer given, but nothing stops one using a new Hildon.Window if they wish. The C code actually uses the GTK_* etc macros, pretty much what I'd have to use anyway in C |
| 08:27.53 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 08:28.13 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: can you see any downsides to moving cpas away from control panel and into settings category? |
| 08:28.37 | RST38h | Next victim. |
| 08:28.37 | qwerty12_N810 | sarower: no, sorry, I don't know |
| 08:28.47 | sarower | ok |
| 08:29.48 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: How much applets do you wish to have there, ideally? Scrolling through the menu can get tedious at times |
| 08:30.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: we do plan to get something more similar to wazd's menu |
| 08:31.39 | Stskeeps | but you're right |
| 08:32.21 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: Do you know how to handle / get the drag event from applet...? |
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| 08:32.38 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: it does not get normally... as like normal application |
| 08:32.59 | talig1 | G'day everyone :) Jeremiah - are you around? |
| 08:32.59 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: in maemo sdk 5 beta 2 |
| 08:33.23 | qwerty12_N810 | sarower: Sorry, the only applet stuff I've done is shit control panel ones. And I don't have the Fremantle SDK installed, either way |
| 08:33.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: wait, does this turn into a real cpa i just have to drop in? |
| 08:33.58 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: Oh ok.. thank you! |
| 08:35.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: yes, run the command given and you get an so. I'd have liked to have skipped the gcc steps but valac can only seem to make executables directly (and documentation isn't the greatest) |
| 08:35.46 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, that's great |
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| 08:43.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i assume you can't be lured to put it on /Mer/Documentation/Vala_Control_Panel and we'll improve it based on the pasted code? |
| 08:43.13 | Stskeeps | improve docs that is |
| 08:43.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Sure. Lol, no, please, improve the code. If anything, I'd learn from it |
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| 08:48.03 | RST38h | moos at VDVsx |
| 08:48.39 | VDVsx | morning RST38h :) |
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| 09:13.06 | talig | Does anyone have a clue what could be wrong with my .desktop or .service that when I click the icon -it claims it's starting the application but then does nothing? :( |
| 09:13.12 | talig | Works fine from xterm... |
| 09:13.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: done |
| 09:14.30 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: much appreciated |
| 09:15.22 | qwerty12_N810 | talig: your service correctly references the program to run, is named correctly, is in the right place, and your desktop file has the X-Osso-Service reference correct? |
| 09:15.58 | Stskeeps | passes qwerty12_N810 a debconf cookie |
| 09:16.09 | qwerty12_N810 | munches |
| 09:16.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks! |
| 09:16.41 | talig | qwerty12_N810: As far as I can tell. program to run is privacy_app, .desktop file is named the same .desktop, .service file is com.nokia.privacy_app.service |
| 09:16.43 | Stskeeps | slexy pastes won't expire? |
| 09:17.18 | talig | qwerty12_N810: .desktop references the latter (with the X-Osso-Service), and is in /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 09:17.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: nope. Of course, I'd prefer it to be in the article itself but like I say: maemo.org wiki sucks by not understanding <source. |
| 09:17.36 | talig | qwerty12_N810: and .service file is in /usr/share/dbus-1/services |
| 09:17.40 | talig | What am I missing? |
| 09:17.42 | RST38h | talig: You are probably listing your app as a service but do not implement a dbus service |
| 09:17.57 | RST38h | talig: Am I correct? |
| 09:18.19 | talig | RST38h: Interesting concept. What do I need to do to implement it? I tried without the service, btw, doesn't work either. |
| 09:18.35 | RST38h | Ok, let us do it the easy way first |
| 09:18.39 | RST38h | A moment |
| 09:19.00 | talig | RST38h: Easy is good :) |
| 09:19.15 | qwerty12_N810 | talig: Don't use "com.nokia." - I've seen it frowned upon and it just causes confusion. "com.talig.pyprivacy" is acceptable |
| 09:19.42 | talig | qwerty12_N810: I'm not really using com.nokia, but I'm not in liberty to divulge what I am :P |
| 09:19.51 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah :P |
| 09:20.02 | RST38h | qwerty: I do not think he is using anything |
| 09:20.08 | talig | assume it's com.talig.privacy_app for all purpuses. |
| 09:20.12 | talig | RST38h: I'm a "she". |
| 09:21.28 | RST38h | talig: Ah, ok =) |
| 09:21.44 | RST38h | talig: I need a few more moments to find the appropriate tutorial |
| 09:22.03 | talig | RST38h: Take your time, and thanks for helping out! |
| 09:22.39 | RST38h | talig: Go to your desktop file and remove the X-Osso-Service line |
| 09:22.59 | talig | RST38h: I'll do it, but I've tried that before... |
| 09:23.20 | RST38h | talig: Make sure you have the Exec= line pointing to wherever your executable is |
| 09:23.27 | RST38h | talig: Do you have it? |
| 09:23.42 | talig | RST38h: Do I have what? [Yep, all done] |
| 09:24.00 | RST38h | Do you have the Exec= line? Does it point ot your executable file? |
| 09:24.07 | talig | Sure |
| 09:24.44 | RST38h | Do you have both the desktop file and the executable installed on the device? |
| 09:25.03 | talig | Yup |
| 09:25.12 | RST38h | On the device, run update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications |
| 09:25.28 | RST38h | After it finishes, try clicking onto your app icon |
| 09:26.24 | sampppa | what is the height of status/title area in fremantle application? |
| 09:28.23 | talig | nothing |
| 09:28.43 | RST38h | talig: All right. Try running your application form the command line. Does it run? |
| 09:29.05 | talig | RST38h: yes, I already mentioned that it works from the xTerm |
| 09:29.24 | talig | oh, wait... |
| 09:29.40 | RST38h | crashy crashy? =) |
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| 09:30.01 | talig | RST38h: No, just wouldn't call it from inside /usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 09:30.10 | talig | when I go back to /user/home its fine |
| 09:30.12 | RST38h | Sorry? |
| 09:30.36 | RST38h | So, are you reading some config file from the current working directory and crashing when it is not found? |
| 09:30.43 | talig | RST38h: I chdir'd to /usr/share/applications to make the adjustments. Had to chdir back to ~ |
| 09:30.50 | talig | RST38h: I'm not crashing. |
| 09:30.54 | RST38h | Here is your first problem then |
| 09:31.08 | talig | all of my files are in /usr/bin |
| 09:31.12 | RST38h | You cannot guarantee that Hildon Desktop will start your app from ~ |
| 09:31.47 | talig | RST38h: Accepted. |
| 09:31.52 | talig | RST38h: How do I fix it? |
| 09:32.09 | RST38h | talig: Wherever you open a config file, open it with the full path |
| 09:32.31 | talig | RST38h: It's not a config file that it doesn't find, it's the accessory .py scripts. |
| 09:32.52 | RST38h | talig: Then you should open those by their full path |
| 09:32.55 | talig | ok |
| 09:33.01 | RST38h | Or install them somehwere where Python can find them |
| 09:33.28 | RST38h | Note that I may not be your best bet when Python is concerned: using C/C++ here |
| 09:34.16 | qwerty12_N810 | os.chdir(os.path.expanduser("~")) - who's gonna shoot me for suggesting that dirtiness |
| 09:34.39 | RST38h | prolly not a good idea |
| 09:34.45 | RST38h | Better do it right |
| 09:35.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Mmm, agreed |
| 09:35.22 | talig | RST38h: It's ok, you were right, it works now. |
| 09:35.30 | Stskeeps | getenv("HOME")? |
| 09:35.39 | talig | RST38h: I'll try to get it to use the service now... or no point? |
| 09:35.57 | RST38h | talig: If you want to have a nice "Loading xxx" bubble, then do try |
| 09:36.04 | RST38h | talig: Otherwise, just screw it for now |
| 09:36.23 | talig | RST38h: Great! Thanks a bundle!!! :) |
| 09:36.35 | RST38h | You're welcome. |
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| 10:05.52 | torkiano | hello all, where can I see the version of apps included in each version of maemo ? |
| 10:06.11 | torkiano | (the GTK+ versions, for example) |
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| 10:15.29 | _berto_ | torkiano: http://maemo.org/development/sdks/ |
| 10:17.38 | andre__ | torkiano, i normally use http://repository.maemo.org/stable/4.1/4.1_vs_4.0.1_content_changes.html and http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/5.0beta2/beta_vs_beta2_content_comparison.html |
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| 10:18.35 | torkiano | _berto_, andre__ thank you |
| 10:19.19 | _berto_ | you're welcome |
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| 10:21.30 | sarower_ | Is it possible to send message through D-bus service from normal application to applet? |
| 10:21.39 | sarower_ | any idea? |
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| 10:33.03 | hendry | how can i tell if I'm running the latest firmware on a N810? |
| 10:34.06 | rmt_ | Ever flashed your device? If not, you probably don't .. (but no, I don't know how to tell) |
| 10:34.42 | rmt_ | Backup, Reflash, install bootmenu. |
| 10:35.02 | rmt_ | sarower_, If the applet is listening, then yes. |
| 10:36.17 | rmt_ | sarower_, I *think* you have to look in /etc/dbus*/system.d to see what events there are .. but I'm no dbus expert |
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| 10:40.37 | sarower_ | rmt_: Listening by socket? |
| 10:41.03 | hendry | i have "Linux Nokia-N810-23-14 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Wed Jun 11 15:00:15 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown" |
| 10:41.20 | hendry | i wonder if RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin would give me a more uptodate kernel? |
| 10:41.23 | rmt_ | sarower_, Listening for dbus events .. ie. you have to call it through Dbus, not directly. |
| 10:41.37 | sarower_ | yah.... |
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| 10:43.37 | murrayc | Does anyone know where the svn (or git) is for maemo fremantle's GTK+? |
| 10:43.50 | murrayc | This doesn't seem to be it: |
| 10:43.52 | murrayc | https://stage.maemo.org/viewcvs.cgi/projects/haf/trunk/gtk%2B/?root=maemo&pathrev=9626 |
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| 10:44.52 | Stskeeps | murrayc: it might be in tags, but that URL is where i normally see development |
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| 10:46.37 | Passeli | how do i enable network access in scratchbox ? |
| 10:47.10 | danielwilms | Passeli what is the problem exactly? |
| 10:48.05 | danielwilms | any error messages? |
| 10:48.13 | Passeli | my browser application cannot load web pages |
| 10:48.22 | VDVsx | hendry, what firmware version do you have ? |
| 10:49.00 | hendry | VDVsx: I don't know how to find this out yet, much to my annoyance |
| 10:50.06 | VDVsx | hendry, control panel -> about product |
| 10:50.35 | hendry | VDVsx: is Version: 4.2008.23-14 uptodate? |
| 10:50.47 | danielwilms | Passeli which sdk and which browser?? |
| 10:51.00 | VDVsx | hendry, last one is 5.2008.43-7 |
| 10:51.46 | hendry | VDVsx: ok, so I can't update to this without flashing it right? with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? |
| 10:52.02 | Passeli | danielwilms: diablo and Qt 4.5 Webkit based browser |
| 10:52.18 | VDVsx | hendry, yes |
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| 10:53.27 | VDVsx | hendry, my recomendation is a backup of your files and flash the device :) |
| 10:53.46 | danielwilms | Passeli but doesn't the internet work at all?? wget/apt don't work either?? |
| 10:55.29 | hendry | VDVsx: ok, thanks. Hmm, my usual USB cable isn't fitting into the N810. Argh. :/ |
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| 10:56.27 | VDVsx | hendry, you need a orginal cable :P, a mini usb don't fitt :) |
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| 10:58.35 | Passeli | danielwilms: those works |
| 11:00.11 | Passeli | danielwilms: QMaemoInternetConnectivity has received an error message. |
| 11:00.11 | Passeli | Name: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown" |
| 11:00.11 | Passeli | Message: "The name com.nokia.icd was not provided by any .service files" |
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| 11:03.17 | danielwilms | Passeli but then it is not really the issue that the internet connection doesn't work...i think the name is "com.nokia.icd_ui" |
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| 11:07.03 | timelys | Andre, sing |
| 11:07.13 | Passeli | danielwilms: it seems that dns does not work |
| 11:07.37 | andre__ | timelys, song |
| 11:08.41 | danielwilms | Passeli you could try this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Q%26A_-_SDK_and_Scratchbox#Why_can_I_reach_an_IP-address_but_no_domain_inside_Scratchbox.3F |
| 11:14.09 | Passeli | danielwilms: those did not work, but i added to the /etc/resolv.conf file inside scrathcbox same nameserver as i have in host (desktop) |
| 11:14.16 | Passeli | danielwilms: now dns works |
| 11:15.22 | danielwilms | Passeli ok, good |
| 11:19.21 | talig | RST38h: My application is a statusIcon thingy, but after I minimize it, I can't restore it. [i.e. icon is still there, program is still running, but I can't restore the window] |
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| 11:27.16 | talig | Anyone familiar with status icon -gtk-hildon apps? |
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| 11:28.22 | timelys | Xchat has one! |
| 11:29.00 | wazd_n800 | heya maemo |
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| 11:45.06 | rmt_ | Hmm - is there any way to stop the standard SIP client from automatically registering on connect? |
| 11:45.38 | rmt_ | Since it's unencrypted, I'd feel better not sharing my username/password |
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| 12:11.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: you have your tear+webkit packaging anywhere yet? |
| 12:11.51 | qwerty12_N810 | Bundyo hasn't updated his WebKit diff yet |
| 12:11.55 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 12:21.35 | Jaffa | VDVsx: ping |
| 12:22.08 | VDVsx | Jaffa, pong |
| 12:22.52 | aquatix | speaking of tear, does it have a way of opening a uri from the cli? |
| 12:23.00 | aquatix | i want to config claws-mail to do so |
| 12:23.19 | Jaffa | VDVsx: I had a look yesterday, but do you know off the top of your head how many slots there are for community speakers at the summit? |
| 12:24.06 | VDVsx | Jaffa, 13 for each track, let me confirm |
| 12:24.47 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Friday: ~9, Saturday: ~3*9, Sunday: ~10 by my count at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Schedule |
| 12:25.36 | VDVsx | Jaffa, friday is the nokia day, so we don't have slots there :) |
| 12:25.44 | Jaffa | Ah, OK |
| 12:26.32 | VDVsx | and also some of the community slots are already assigne to nokians |
| 12:26.41 | Jaffa | nods |
| 12:26.47 | Jaffa | And some people will be doing double shifts. |
| 12:26.58 | VDVsx | true |
| 12:29.04 | VDVsx | Jaffa, speakers requesting sponsorship will be around 10~15, I guess |
| 12:30.49 | VDVsx | Jaffa, if you want I can cross this information and add it to a wiki page, if this will help you and the other deciding sponsorship |
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| 12:33.11 | Jaffa | VDVsx: Where'd you get that figure? Just a guess? |
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| 12:35.04 | VDVsx | Jaffa, yes :P, just a guess plus the people that already have talks accepted and has requested sponsorship already |
| 12:35.12 | Jaffa | VDVsx: OK, thanks |
| 12:35.27 | Jaffa | VDVsx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=307196#post307196 is the reason :-) |
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| 13:18.03 | lbt | Jaffa: 2 or 3 of us won a sponsored trip to the summit at the Danish weekend. You may want to check what budget that comes out of. Hopefully not the Summit budget. |
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| 13:20.14 | X-Fade | lbt: Those people were pretty likely to be sponsored anyway? :) |
| 13:20.36 | lbt | nods |
| 13:21.35 | lbt | They aren't mentioned in the list on tmo so just noting that there's a +3 |
| 13:22.42 | RST38h | Jaffa: Should I apply for sponsorship and come up with a talk? Or is the schedule full already? |
| 13:26.00 | coldboot | fiferboy: I finally got 4.5.0 compiling, and it's been sent out to our devices. |
| 13:26.20 | fiferboy | coldboot: Excellent! Everything is flicker-free now? |
| 13:26.26 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yep. |
| 13:26.39 | fiferboy | Very cool |
| 13:26.49 | coldboot | yeah |
| 13:27.56 | fiferboy | Does anyone have a guess what "top 25" and "top 50" of karma would look like? |
| 13:28.16 | fiferboy | Is there any way to look at karma rankings? |
| 13:28.41 | X-Fade | fiferboy: maemo.org/profile/list/ |
| 13:29.17 | fiferboy | X-Fade: Thanks! |
| 13:29.26 | fiferboy | Wow, there is some big karma up there! |
| 13:31.50 | X-Fade | Yes, there are some big numbers ;) |
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| 13:53.13 | talig | Hey fiferboy, how's it going? |
| 13:53.27 | fiferboy | Good, talig. And you? |
| 13:54.22 | talig | fiferboy: Doing my best :) |
| 13:54.33 | fiferboy | talig: How's the app? |
| 13:55.27 | talig | fiferboy: Slowly progressing. I don't know what I changed but not I have an ugly icon on the left side, which allows me to restore after minimization (the packaging thing is a bust for now, but Jeremiah is helping me out :) ) |
| 13:56.07 | talig | fiferboy: Now I'm wondering how I could customize the icon on the left |
| 13:56.07 | fiferboy | talig: So the minimize/restore works, as well as showing and hiding with the statusbar? |
| 13:56.49 | talig | showing and hiding with the statusicon doesn't work, and according to recent thread here: http://n2.nabble.com/Optimal-battery-life-considerations-in-apps-td3228133.html |
| 13:57.10 | fiferboy | talig: Make sure the icon you install is in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon and that you do a "gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor" in your postinst script |
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| 13:57.14 | talig | I have to conclude it's not my fault :) |
| 13:57.52 | talig | fifer: I have no installation script, so no postinst either... |
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| 13:58.20 | fiferboy | talig: Try running that command as root and see if your icon looks better |
| 13:58.45 | talig | fiferboy: i run it as root |
| 13:58.56 | fiferboy | talig: Assuming your icons are located in /usr/share/icons/hicolor somewhere |
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| 14:01.46 | talig | fiferboy: why would it look for the icons there? |
| 14:02.23 | fiferboy | talig: That is the folder that it caches and uses for icons |
| 14:02.54 | fiferboy | talig: I think you can also install your icons to a different location, but you have to specify the full path in your desktop file |
| 14:04.07 | Jaffa | RST38h: The schedule isn't full. And the best way to get sponsorship - and I'd argue strongly for this over anything else - is to be running a session |
| 14:04.24 | Jaffa | lbt: Who did you "win" them from, OOI? |
| 14:05.09 | talig | fiferboy: I see. But in the Extras (where I can run it from) I see the custom icon. |
| 14:05.28 | talig | fiferboy: why doesn't it apply to the left-side taskbar |
| 14:06.02 | fiferboy | talig: How do you specify the icon in the dekstop file? The full path? |
| 14:06.38 | talig | fiferboy: nope, just file name, no extension |
| 14:07.48 | fiferboy | talig: Do you specify X-Window_icon in the desktop file? |
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| 14:08.05 | fiferboy | ~s/X-Window_icon/X-Window-Icon |
| 14:09.04 | RST38h | Jaffa: How long is a session? |
| 14:10.36 | talig | fiferboy: nope. If that's what I need - what's the syntax |
| 14:11.06 | fiferboy | talig: X-Window-Icon=icon_name |
| 14:11.19 | fiferboy | talig: It shouldn't really be necessary, but you can see if it helps |
| 14:11.26 | Jaffa | RST38h: 30 mins, I believe. VDVsx is on the content committee |
| 14:11.45 | talig | fiferboy: I'd rather not. |
| 14:12.46 | talig | fiferboy: It's not mentioned here:http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format |
| 14:13.02 | fiferboy | talig: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html#SECTION00791100000000000000 |
| 14:13.38 | talig | fiferboy: Doens't mention X-Window-Icon there either. |
| 14:13.43 | VDVsx | Jaffa, RST38h , 25 min for normal sessions, 5 min for LT |
| 14:13.50 | fiferboy | talig: In "Other commonly used fields" |
| 14:13.56 | fiferboy | talig: Just below |
| 14:14.01 | talig | fiferboy: great, but I have the Icon field. |
| 14:14.26 | fiferboy | talig: Which works for your menu icon, but not for the taskbar |
| 14:15.40 | fiferboy | talig: It seems your program itself doesn't have an icon associtated with it. The "Icon" field just works for the desktop file |
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| 14:17.55 | talig | fiferboy: I can accept that, but I don't think that adding the X-Windows-Icon will fix it. I better figure out how to associate an icon with my program |
| 14:21.10 | fiferboy | talig: Try gtk_window_set_icon |
| 14:21.26 | talig | fiferboy: Hildon window... |
| 14:21.39 | talig | fiferboy: Will that work for a hildon window as well? |
| 14:22.23 | fiferboy | talig: Yes, hildon window inherits gtk window |
| 14:22.39 | talig | fiferboy: Okidoki, trying |
| 14:22.42 | fiferboy | talig: You just pass your hildon window in the gtk_window_set_icon call |
| 14:26.47 | talig | fiferboy: self.window.set_icon won't do? |
| 14:26.59 | talig | fiferboy: I'm writing python |
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| 14:27.20 | fiferboy | talig: Ah, python. Yes, that should do I think |
| 14:27.31 | talig | ok., trying |
| 14:27.32 | talig | brb |
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| 15:22.20 | RST38h | ????????????? ??????? ?? ??????? |
| 15:22.23 | Stskeeps | ? |
| 15:22.28 | RST38h | Sorry, wrong paste |
| 15:22.45 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5324542/creative-zii-egg-plaszma-android+wielding-ipod-touch |
| 15:22.47 | RST38h | Here, feed |
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| 15:23.22 | RST38h | Sts: You may especially like this one |
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| 15:25.22 | Stskeeps | that's a shitty resolution.. |
| 15:25.41 | RST38h | True |
| 15:26.03 | Stskeeps | also it looks like yet another locked down android thing |
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| 15:27.08 | RST38h | Sts: I wonder when they get sued by Apple and for how much though |
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| 15:38.39 | andre__ | "...from many countries and the Netherlands too" is a great sentence in the wiki. :-D |
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| 15:59.48 | VDVsx | andre__, Netherlands is special :P |
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| 16:06.12 | rmt_ | VDVsx: GGGGG |
| 16:06.19 | rmt_ | just spat all over VDVsx |
| 16:08.41 | VDVsx | gets the machine gun and fire 1000 bullets against rmt_ :P |
| 16:08.55 | rmt_ | G! G! G! G! |
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| 16:14.06 | VDVsx | rmt_, no hard feelings, I like Netherlands, I've some good friends there :) |
| 16:14.32 | rmt_ | Me too. |
| 16:15.11 | rmt_ | I worked with dutch - saved money on showering of a morning.\ |
| 16:15.39 | lcuk | thats a pretty big brush to stroke |
| 16:15.48 | lcuk | im sure not ALL the dutch folks are smelly |
| 16:15.53 | javispedro | the apple tablet is not even out and random blogs are already saying it'll "help save the slumping music industry" |
| 16:16.15 | lcuk | fuck the music industry, i want it hacked and at my house pdq |
| 16:16.33 | javispedro | wtf has a tablet with the "music industry"? |
| 16:16.39 | lcuk | i hope they add a wall hanger to it |
| 16:16.41 | javispedro | specially a 10'' tablet |
| 16:16.43 | lcuk | itunes |
| 16:16.48 | lcuk | album art |
| 16:16.57 | javispedro | the beattles |
| 16:17.05 | lcuk | someone will make a realistic LP simulation ;) |
| 16:17.11 | javispedro | s/beattles/beatles |
| 16:17.21 | javispedro | ~burn sed |
| 16:17.22 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over sed, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:17.22 | lcuk | with scratching capabilities |
| 16:18.11 | rmt_ | lcuk, No - I'm referring to the gutterals of the dutch language spraying me with water of a morning. ;) |
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| 16:19.58 | javispedro | Its all about re-creating the heyday of the album when you would sit around with your friends looking at the artwork, while you listened to the music, |
| 16:20.10 | VDVsx | javispedro, a 10'' tablet for $800 :P |
| 16:20.22 | javispedro | with laptop speakers attached to a 10'' tablet filled with fingerprints |
| 16:20.50 | VDVsx | you can buy two netbooks for the same price, lol |
| 16:20.53 | erik____ | the point with fingerprint is to know who listen to the music so that you can charge them |
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| 16:25.18 | lcuk | rmt_, i think thats actually worse |
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| 16:25.54 | lcuk | throws up in his mouth |
| 16:26.37 | jeremiah | lcuk: yuck |
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| 16:31.03 | VDVsx | lcuk, yeah, dutch isn't a very nice language to hear, but in the other hand dutch girls are very pretty ;) |
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| 16:38.20 | rmt_ | VDVsx, Many are.. and many others look like they're related to half the people in town.. The netherlands was a bunch of small islands for far too long. I think I prefer well invaded lands for the girls. :) |
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| 16:39.48 | rmt_ | So offence intended to the dutch.. The same could be said about many other countries too. :) |
| 16:39.50 | rmt_ | No |
| 16:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | lol |
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| 16:50.19 | lbt | I have found a wonderful technique for encouraging our pets to be affectionate |
| 16:50.45 | lbt | Stockholm Syndrome |
| 16:50.46 | RST38h | lbt: stuffing them in adorable poses? |
| 16:51.01 | rmt_ | lbt - Works the same for kids too, I hear. :) |
| 16:52.17 | mavhc | fear leads to anger |
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| 16:59.32 | RST38h | mavhc: Initially, yes, until the victim is made to understand its own helplesness |
| 17:01.09 | mavhc | anger leads to hate |
| 17:01.59 | RST38h | also initially |
| 17:02.21 | Myrtti | fear is the mindkiller |
| 17:02.24 | javispedro | hate leads to windows mobile? |
| 17:02.40 | GeneralAntilles | These days I think it's Android. :P |
| 17:02.42 | rmt_ | hate leads to a caffeine addiction |
| 17:03.06 | rmt_ | a caffeine addiction leads to a programmer with wacky ideas about how to raise pets |
| 17:03.22 | RST38h | General: Not S60? =) |
| 17:03.26 | RST38h | is surprised |
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| 17:05.13 | lbt | where have we had success in Maemo being opened? |
| 17:08.14 | lcuk | lbt, you get arrested for bein too affectionate with your pets |
| 17:08.39 | lbt | my fluffy wuvs me |
| 17:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | metaphysical abuse |
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| 17:13.02 | javispedro | I think metaphysical abusers prefer the term "love" |
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| 17:17.40 | javispedro | wonders if Diablo may see a Flash SSU now with all that recent noise about some the-world-is-going-to-end vulnerability |
| 17:18.07 | RST38h | no. |
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| 17:18.48 | javispedro | they already stopped even security bugfixes? |
| 17:18.57 | lardman | morning all |
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| 17:19.08 | RST38h | what security bugfixes? |
| 17:19.11 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:19.12 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 17:19.17 | javispedro | hi |
| 17:19.30 | lardman | hey chaps |
| 17:19.33 | javispedro | RST38h, http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa09-03.html |
| 17:19.58 | RST38h | javispedro: and? =) |
| 17:20.43 | javispedro | slashdot says it's being "actively exploited" |
| 17:21.15 | mavhc | he's saying there were never any security bugfixes from nokia, I assume |
| 17:21.24 | wirelessdreamer | Myrtti: Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration |
| 17:21.50 | RST38h | javispedro: you can fix it by buying n9x0 |
| 17:21.56 | RST38h | when it is released that is |
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| 17:24.21 | lardman | Jaffa: ping |
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| 17:25.22 | andre__ | javispedro, can you file a bug in bugs.maemo.org about CVE-2009-1862 ? |
| 17:25.33 | andre__ | the adobe thingy |
| 17:25.41 | lcuk | goes to christmas party o |
| 17:25.43 | lcuk | bbl |
| 17:26.11 | andre__ | christmas?! |
| 17:26.14 | javispedro | andre__, why not? do i have to do anything or just putting the adobe advisory url there will suffice? |
| 17:26.24 | lcuk | yes andre__ :) christmas.. |
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| 17:26.40 | lardman | hi & bye lcuk |
| 17:26.56 | RST38h | javispedro: Whatever you file, they will mark it as fixed-in-fremantle |
| 17:27.15 | lcuk | file it directly at adobe |
| 17:27.19 | lcuk | hi simon \o |
| 17:27.21 | lcuk | cya later |
| 17:27.26 | VDVsx | lcuk, is he/she British ? :P |
| 17:27.58 | lcuk | yes, its also a haloween/bonfire/easter party :| |
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| 17:28.12 | andre__ | javispedro, just give me that link and file it against browser/plugins. thanks in advance |
| 17:28.15 | RST38h | javispedro: Unless of course it is a MicroB bug, in which case it will be marked wont-fix |
| 17:28.24 | VDVsx | lcuk, 0: |
| 17:28.32 | andre__ | RST38h, "they" might be me, being that messenger... |
| 17:28.46 | RST38h | andre: Possibly, yes |
| 17:29.09 | andre__ | but at least i want Nokia's potential Diablo update failure be correctly documented by having some public proof that they suck somtimes |
| 17:29.21 | RST38h | andre: But it really does not matter who marks it wont-fix, so I have no personal negative feeling against you :) |
| 17:29.23 | javispedro | now that's a good plan |
| 17:29.30 | andre__ | ...plus: I still want to try :-P |
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| 17:29.56 | andre__ | RST38h: sure, no problem, we can still have a one-on-one fight at maemo summit ;-)) |
| 17:30.01 | andre__ | jk |
| 17:30.12 | RST38h | andre: In the Ring of Death, yessss |
| 17:30.17 | andre__ | aight! |
| 17:30.47 | javispedro | and I remember reading someone somewhere (sometime, maybe in 2008, so don't trust me) that "emergency" security bugfixes might get backported to diablo |
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| 17:31.14 | javispedro | unfortunately ;) I doubt this advisory is an "emergency", considering most exploits are going to be x86 |
| 17:31.15 | Myrtti | remember kids, you're allowed to use only 770's as beating bludges |
| 17:31.28 | Myrtti | no n8x0s! |
| 17:31.36 | RST38h | javispedro: Flash plugin is not officially maintained by Nokia |
| 17:31.42 | RST38h | javispedro: So no bugfixes to it |
| 17:32.02 | RST38h | javispedro: See the gettimeofday() bug for reference |
| 17:32.07 | andre__ | hey, an exploit script for the n8x0 attached to that bugreport is welcome ;-)) (just kidding) |
| 17:32.11 | VDVsx | Myrtti, can I use a 3210 ? :) |
| 17:32.16 | andre__ | RST38h, gettimeofday() ? which one is that? |
| 17:32.21 | Myrtti | VDVsx: classic or the old one? |
| 17:32.50 | RST38h | andre: Multiple copies of embedded Flash hanging the tablet |
| 17:32.58 | VDVsx | Myrtti, old one of course, is rock solid :) |
| 17:33.18 | Myrtti | considers |
| 17:33.24 | Myrtti | mmm yes |
| 17:33.28 | RST38h | andre: the one where timeless first made me collect a shitload of debug data then the bug got closed for "no additional data" |
| 17:33.43 | VDVsx | that guy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3210 :) |
| 17:34.12 | VDVsx | wow, 40 ringtones by default , lol |
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| 17:34.48 | RST38h | andre: Funny thing is, at that point I actually figured out what was going on and even found a few similar bug reports on the net and a "fix" by Redhat to their kernel |
| 17:34.51 | Myrtti | gosh I loved that phone. I had several covers for it |
| 17:35.16 | Myrtti | blue, yellow and dragon ones... |
| 17:35.18 | Myrtti | *sigh* |
| 17:35.22 | Myrtti | feels old |
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| 17:35.49 | VDVsx | Myrtti, my first phone and still works :P |
| 17:37.09 | Myrtti | VDVsx: I gave my mum a 3110 classic last christmas to replace the one she used |
| 17:37.19 | mavhc | dragon, the 8th colour of the rainbow |
| 17:37.34 | RST38h | Myrtti: You are only old if you got to use the original Motorola brick |
| 17:37.50 | RST38h | 3210 does not qualify |
| 17:37.53 | Myrtti | she used 3210 for three years after finally ditching the high tech 1631 that could not only receive, but *send* SMS's |
| 17:38.03 | javispedro | "Hackers exploiting a newfound flaw in Adobe Flash video player and Acrobat Reader can steal data and take money from bank accounts, online security experts say. " Now that would be a good preface |
| 17:38.06 | Myrtti | no, not 1631 |
| 17:38.13 | Myrtti | 1063 |
| 17:38.28 | mavhc | how's gnash coming along? |
| 17:38.50 | Myrtti | RST38h: does it count I put the quick call numbers on my dads NMT 450, 900 and later GSM Motorolas? |
| 17:39.07 | VDVsx | RST38h, what is motorola brick number/model ? |
| 17:39.22 | RST38h | Myrtti: Definitely, but only if you did so in a location where NMT 450 is no longer used |
| 17:39.25 | Myrtti | well, he had GSM motorola for a short while and returned it for NMT900 |
| 17:39.57 | RST38h | VDVsx: MicroTac I think |
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| 17:40.05 | Myrtti | MicroTac ⥠|
| 17:40.10 | Myrtti | the flip was lovely |
| 17:40.18 | mavhc | I can't get a new phone as the one with the same/better features is too much just to fix the small problems I have |
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| 17:40.58 | VDVsx | RST38h, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_MicroTAC OMG |
| 17:41.03 | RST38h | VDVsx: The first commercially available one was Moto DynaTAC |
| 17:41.12 | Myrtti | oh gosh, the nostalgy |
| 17:41.17 | VDVsx | you need large pockets for that one :P |
| 17:41.23 | RST38h | had StarTAC for a while, nice phone |
| 17:41.38 | RST38h | It was the RAZR+iPhone of its time... |
| 17:41.55 | RST38h | also had one of the first WAP-enabled phones |
| 17:42.03 | Myrtti | 7110? ewwee |
| 17:42.06 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 17:42.12 | RST38h | nope |
| 17:42.18 | andre__ | javispedro, "execute arbitrary code via (1) a crafted Flash application in a .pdf file or (2) a crafted .swf file, related to authplay.dll" |
| 17:42.24 | andre__ | hmm, i wonder if that's possible on the N8x0 |
| 17:42.30 | javispedro | i am searching for the .swf file |
| 17:42.36 | andre__ | anybody ever seen a PDF with an embedded swf file? shrug |
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| 17:42.47 | javispedro | i do have the pdf but not the tool to extract it :P |
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| 17:43.09 | VDVsx | never saw those motorola's here, probably I'm too young |
| 17:44.37 | RST38h | VDVsx: These are all analog phones, widespread in the States at the time |
| 17:45.33 | VDVsx | only remembers old phone from nokia, alcatel and eriksson |
| 17:45.35 | mavhc | imagines analog cell phones to have rotary dialing |
| 17:46.05 | RST38h | Nokia 3650 ALMOST had rotary dialing |
| 17:46.23 | RST38h | even got used to it, but apparently other users haven't, so Nokia replaced it with 3660 |
| 17:47.19 | mavhc | did it have an extra large 5? |
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| 17:47.46 | RST38h | mavhc: had little bumps on a few buttons |
| 17:48.09 | RST38h | also got to use and develop for 7650, the first Nokia's S60 phone |
| 17:48.31 | VDVsx | RST38h, the keys were very small (3650) |
| 17:48.36 | RST38h | 7650 was the N95 of the time, as clumsy and overhyped :) |
| 17:48.58 | mavhc | see http://www.trashbat.co.ck/ |
| 17:49.02 | RST38h | VDVsx: they really felt ok, although the arrangement was weird :) |
| 17:50.05 | mavhc | http://www.trashbat.co.ck/t12/index.html |
| 17:50.06 | Myrtti | ooooo my mums phone http://www.cellink.com.au/products/images/nokia_1610.jpg |
| 17:50.12 | Myrtti | used that more than once to bludgeon fishes |
| 17:50.21 | Myrtti | faster kill, tender meat |
| 17:50.24 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 17:51.09 | VDVsx | lol |
| 17:52.22 | Myrtti | you could indeed also *send* sms's with 1631 and not just receive |
| 17:52.28 | Myrtti | too bad all the letters were in caps |
| 17:52.40 | Myrtti | took about six months for her to learn to not use caps |
| 17:54.25 | RST38h | some people never learn not to use caps |
| 17:55.56 | Jaffa | lardman: pong |
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| 17:59.07 | wazd_n800 | remoo maemo |
| 17:59.27 | lardman | Jaffa: was just wondering about the compatibility of your artistic licence and the GPL |
| 17:59.32 | xnt14 | %runcmd moo |
| 17:59.35 | xnt14 | moo |
| 17:59.39 | xnt14 | hahaha |
| 17:59.49 | lardman | Jaffa: as the wiimote stuff is GPL and I've just cut it down to the bare minimum |
| 18:00.01 | xnt14 | was just messing around with xchat :P |
| 18:00.22 | Jaffa | lardman: The Artistic licence is GPL compatible; but I'm happy to relicense Horizon. Artistic's my general preferred one, but I'm not too fussy for something which is so trivial. |
| 18:01.00 | lardman | I don't care personally, I can just add a comment above the code: "Borrowed from such and such, licensed under the GPL, modified by me" etc |
| 18:01.33 | lardman | I never know if that's acceptable though |
| 18:01.50 | lardman | or I could just stick it in a separate file and import it |
| 18:01.50 | Jaffa | 'll change the whole thing to GPL; saves any worries :) |
| 18:01.59 | xnt14 | %runcmd moo("#mer") |
| 18:02.10 | lardman | ok, hold your horses though until I'm sure it works, save you the typing |
| 18:02.13 | lardman | :) |
| 18:02.28 | Jaffa | :) |
| 18:02.37 | xnt14 | :P |
| 18:02.43 | Jaffa | Apparently the values I'm interpreting are backwards anyway |
| 18:04.09 | lardman | so I read, would be easy to solve by giving us some hardware of course ;) |
| 18:04.24 | Jaffa | Indeed |
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| 18:08.42 | chx | so my favorite laptop sleeve is a zeroshock, is there anything even remotely similar in endurance for the n810? |
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| 18:09.19 | talig | Hi everyone |
| 18:09.46 | talig | jeremiah: Good evening :) |
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| 18:12.31 | andre__ | javispedro, at least the test "SWF in PDF" file i found on adobe's page doesn't work in Fremantle |
| 18:12.35 | javispedro | wow I'm impressed |
| 18:12.39 | javispedro | i found the swf file |
| 18:12.39 | andre__ | so probably nokia is not affected |
| 18:12.45 | andre__ | http://www.adobe.com/devnet/captivate/articles/movieclip_to_pdf.html |
| 18:12.50 | andre__ | or what's your source/ |
| 18:12.50 | andre__ | ? |
| 18:13.12 | andre__ | because pdf reader in diablo and fremantle is basically the same (rotten) code |
| 18:13.26 | javispedro | the backtrack reveals libflashplayer calling g_spawn_command_line then crashing |
| 18:14.06 | javispedro | andre__, i looked at a badware domain list, found a active one and downloaded everything |
| 18:14.08 | andre__ | javispedro, hmm... if you have a sweet testcase please file it. because for me it doesn't work :-P |
| 18:14.21 | javispedro | so I don't know if it's ...erm.. fine for me to post it |
| 18:14.37 | andre__ | ehehe. or send me an email or whatever :-P |
| 18:14.41 | javispedro | will try on the tablet now |
| 18:14.42 | andre__ | aklapper at openismus dot com |
| 18:15.25 | esaym153 | noes...n810 has been removed from nokia.com |
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| 18:16.21 | andre__ | later |
| 18:18.56 | javispedro | crashes browserd |
| 18:19.31 | javispedro | the exploit is not working though, expected since from what I've seen is x86 |
| 18:24.05 | javispedro | the exact behaviour is: browserd crashes, restarts itself, crashes again, the browser-ui closes |
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| 18:26.11 | andre__ | javispedro, anyway, please file me a bug or send me an email with instructions. i'd love to test this :) |
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| 18:38.47 | javispedro | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 18:38.47 | javispedro | x4576c138 in ?? () from /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 18:39.16 | javispedro | and that's about it... |
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| 18:41.05 | javispedro | andre__, enable swap or remove the javascript eval() call or all you'll see is out of memory |
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| 18:46.39 | KamikaziFreak | After having my tablet go into endless reboot mode for the third time, I've decided that I need to make a script that runs every night that the device is on, that checks for file changes and backs up to SD. However, I've got a problem for right now; I've got files on the device that I want, but can't get to them. |
| 18:47.20 | KamikaziFreak | Does anyone know any crazy hacks to get to these, such as tricks with the flasher tool, or booting from SD? |
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| 18:49.51 | lardman | reads about OMAP3 DSP stuff |
| 18:50.15 | lardman | and waits for some hw to be released.... |
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| 18:50.50 | johnsq | lardman: before you write omap3 dsp stuff, omap4 is released. |
| 18:51.05 | lardman | johnsq: yeah probably true :) |
| 18:51.59 | vasily_pupkin | omap4+AC'97 codec :D |
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| 19:02.14 | xnt14 | tries netbsd.....in kvm :P |
| 19:02.44 | xnt14 | net.bsd.xceleo.org....lol :P |
| 19:02.56 | xnt14 | bsd.xceleo.org :P |
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| 19:07.49 | Macer | anybody know what the computer is called to connect to a car data port? |
| 19:08.57 | derf | Macer: ODB2. |
| 19:09.31 | Macer | odb2? |
| 19:09.52 | xnt14 | brb, going to kill init, kvm is not responding...:P |
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| 19:10.55 | derf | E.g., http://www.scantool.net/scan-tools/ |
| 19:13.39 | Macer | derf |
| 19:13.41 | Macer | txn |
| 19:13.44 | Macer | tnx |
| 19:17.11 | Macer | derf: what is the best to use for it? |
| 19:17.32 | Macer | to get all the codes and stuff? |
| 19:17.47 | derf | To get codes, monitor fuel consumption (in real time), etc. |
| 19:17.58 | Macer | would be neet if i could mount a libretto on the dash |
| 19:18.05 | Macer | and use a usb ver |
| 19:18.16 | derf | There's a maemo app that interfaces with the bluetooth ones. |
| 19:18.26 | derf | I forget what it's called. |
| 19:18.46 | Macer | wow really? |
| 19:18.48 | Macer | damn |
| 19:19.02 | Macer | that would be worth getting an n800 haha |
| 19:19.19 | fiferboy | carmon |
| 19:19.25 | Macer | wow |
| 19:19.43 | Macer | i want an n810 now |
| 19:19.53 | Macer | just to mount on the windshield |
| 19:19.56 | fiferboy | ~s/carmon/carman/ |
| 19:20.02 | Macer | and run bt carmon |
| 19:20.03 | Macer | haha |
| 19:20.05 | fiferboy | http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ |
| 19:21.56 | Macer | wow |
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| 19:25.07 | Macer | ok. i will get the bt ver |
| 19:25.18 | Macer | comes w/ pc software im hoping |
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| 19:29.02 | t_s_o | hrmf, seems load applet shows the swap symbol even after swap have been disabled, if swap had been in use beforehand... |
| 19:29.41 | t_s_o | probably worthless to report tho, as for all i know its fixed in fremantle :P |
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| 19:31.57 | Macer | fiferboy: wow |
| 19:32.02 | Macer | that app looks awesome |
| 19:32.14 | RST38h | t_s_o: the load applet is a third party app, isn't it? |
| 19:32.15 | javispedro | agreed |
| 19:32.15 | Macer | doesnt say it it reads error codes tho |
| 19:32.30 | javispedro | the app looks awesome ;) is there a video of it in action? |
| 19:32.32 | fiferboy | I've never tried it with an actual ODB2 device, so I don't know about that part |
| 19:33.54 | Macer | heh |
| 19:34.11 | RST38h | it is kinda useless without OBD2 |
| 19:34.19 | RST38h | but cute |
| 19:35.07 | t_s_o | RST38h: not sure, i think it may be a offshot of something ones developed at nokia. seems to be a garage area for it, but it has no bug report system enabled... |
| 19:35.25 | t_s_o | oh wait, maybe its under bugs.maemo these days :S |
| 19:35.42 | t_s_o | i kinda stopped going there after seeing mail after mail about "fixed in fremantle"... |
| 19:36.14 | xnt14 | result of total boredom: http://xceleo.org/xd/ |
| 19:36.40 | xnt14 | tweeted: http://twitter.com/xnt1337/status/2895592224 |
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| 19:38.29 | javispedro | see you're still in spain, sts :D |
| 19:38.31 | Macer | RST38h: haha |
| 19:38.39 | Stskeeps | indeed, javispedro |
| 19:38.42 | Macer | that thing is going to make me get an n810 |
| 19:38.56 | Macer | does an n810 have a window mount? |
| 19:39.08 | t_s_o | there is a car mount, iirc... |
| 19:39.13 | Macer | doesnt the windshield mount come with it i mean? |
| 19:39.16 | Macer | yeah |
| 19:39.18 | Macer | ok |
| 19:39.30 | Macer | im going to order one and the bt scan tool |
| 19:39.37 | Macer | that thing is AWESOME |
| 19:39.52 | Macer | it would go great in my car lol |
| 19:43.14 | lardman | Jaffa: you still about? What is the provider supposed to return, the 3 angles? |
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| 19:45.38 | lardman | ah, was looking at the dummy provider, doh |
| 19:47.50 | lardman | hmm, if I want to multiply all the values in a Python list by 1000, do I have to do: var[0:2] = var[0:2]*1000 |
| 19:47.57 | lardman | or access each one individually? |
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| 19:56.03 | lardman | ~lart "TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable" error |
| 19:56.03 | infobot | slaps "TypeError: 'int' object is not iterable" error upside the head with a wet fish |
| 19:56.23 | slonopotamus | lardman, var = [x * 1000 for x in var] |
| 19:56.49 | lardman | slonopotamus: ah, what if I have 3 different functions providing the data?: |
| 19:56.57 | lardman | return [int(self.force_gx*1000), int(self.force_gy*1000), int(self.force_gz*1000)] |
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| 19:57.40 | slonopotamus | yikes, doubles rounding |
| 19:58.12 | lardman | don't ask me, just trying to fit in with Jaffa's code ;) |
| 19:58.29 | lardman | but the multiply happens before the int conversion |
| 19:58.32 | lardman | so should be ok |
| 19:59.32 | slonopotamus | return [int(x * 1000) for x in [self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz]] :P |
| 19:59.40 | lardman | well I tried this: return [ int(x * 1000) for x in (self.force_gx, self.force_gy, self.force_gz)] |
| 19:59.54 | lardman | ah, square brackets instead :) |
| 20:00.08 | Macer | heh |
| 20:00.11 | Macer | i bid on an n810 |
| 20:00.18 | Macer | they're hard to find from stores now :-\ |
| 20:00.34 | lardman | drat, same error |
| 20:00.44 | Macer | i'm going to get the car scan tool thing tomorrow |
| 20:00.45 | Macer | heh |
| 20:00.46 | lardman | CSI time, bbl to continue the accelerometer quest |
| 20:00.48 | slonopotamus | 'same'? |
| 20:00.50 | Macer | that crap comes with a usb bt adapter |
| 20:00.52 | lardman | Macer: how much are they? |
| 20:01.02 | Macer | lardman: anywhere between 150-400 |
| 20:01.08 | Macer | i just want it for the carman thing |
| 20:01.08 | Macer | heh |
| 20:01.19 | lardman | I think my OBD2 port is under the steering wheel, so not much use while running in any case |
| 20:01.32 | lardman | hit my knees on it :) |
| 20:01.36 | Macer | well |
| 20:01.39 | Macer | the bt version |
| 20:01.44 | Macer | shouldn't get in the way too much ;) |
| 20:01.50 | lardman|CSI | Macer: still need to plug it in though |
| 20:01.55 | Macer | yeah i guess |
| 20:01.59 | Macer | my port is underneath the dash |
| 20:02.04 | lardman|CSI | anyway must go, wife shouting that it's started |
| 20:02.06 | Macer | so it won't get in the way at all |
| 20:02.08 | Macer | ok |
| 20:02.11 | Macer | later |
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| 20:05.29 | ShadowJK | Heh. Forums full of people complaining about N97 GPS. Not about TFF, but its ability to track |
| 20:05.47 | ShadowJK | Atleast the N810 stays tracking once it acquires fix :) |
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| 20:09.48 | talig | jeremiah: Are you around? |
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| 21:02.31 | lardman | reads about iterator types |
| 21:14.40 | talig | anyone has some packaging experience with python? |
| 21:14.57 | talig | [i.e. packaging python applications into a deb package] |
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| 21:17.05 | lbt | Jaffa: re Who did you "win" them from, OOI? .... err, Quim ? |
| 21:18.56 | talig | Ok, I found the problem but now I need someone who can explain to me how to fix it: my package is depackaging to /scratchbox/tools/bin instead of /usr/bin/ |
| 21:20.19 | talig | ideas? :( |
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| 21:24.53 | Myrtti | graa |
| 21:25.19 | Myrtti | what's the name of those jam jars with the rubber seal and the metal clasp to lock them again? I've heard the name but have forgotten |
| 21:25.19 | Stskeeps | aarg |
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| 21:25.35 | Myrtti | is getting desperate |
| 21:28.07 | X-Fade | Myrtti: Weck can/jar ? |
| 21:28.11 | lbt | preserving jar |
| 21:28.29 | Myrtti | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilner_jar Wikipedia ⥠|
| 21:31.46 | lardman | not to be confused with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_jar |
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| 21:33.45 | Macer | well |
| 21:33.51 | Macer | so far i'm winning a bid on an n810 |
| 21:33.56 | Macer | but i'm sure i'll lose at the last second |
| 21:33.57 | Macer | :-\ |
| 21:34.12 | ShadowJK | ebay should copy that real life auction practice... |
| 21:34.19 | ShadowJK | extend auction until people stop bidding |
| 21:34.19 | Macer | ? |
| 21:34.25 | Macer | ShadowJK: heh |
| 21:34.34 | Macer | naw. that would take forever |
| 21:34.37 | lardman | Macer: you're not supposed to bid until the last 5s or so |
| 21:34.39 | Macer | they simply put "buy it now" instead ;) |
| 21:34.45 | Macer | lardman: yeah i know |
| 21:35.02 | lbt | agrees with lardman |
| 21:35.04 | Macer | although |
| 21:35.20 | Macer | i won my chevy caprice classic hood ornament by just setting a max bid ;) |
| 21:35.26 | Macer | i got like 4 of them like that |
| 21:35.30 | lbt | pick a price. snipe in the last 15 secs. |
| 21:35.31 | Macer | has 3 backups |
| 21:35.46 | Macer | lbt: naw. because tehre is only so much i'd pay for an n810 |
| 21:35.50 | Macer | which i only want to mount in my car |
| 21:35.51 | Macer | ;) |
| 21:35.56 | lbt | yes, exactly |
| 21:35.56 | Macer | so i can use the car thing |
| 21:36.10 | lbt | pick a max price. bid it in the last 15 secs |
| 21:36.14 | mavhc | ebay still has auctions? |
| 21:36.19 | Macer | mavhc: haha |
| 21:36.20 | Macer | yeah |
| 21:36.34 | mavhc | 99% buy it now |
| 21:36.57 | Macer | i almsot regret sending Stskeeps my n800 |
| 21:37.03 | Macer | but i wouldn't want to use the n800 for this anyways |
| 21:37.04 | Macer | no gps :) |
| 21:37.05 | Macer | haha |
| 21:37.19 | Macer | that carman crap looks awesome |
| 21:37.34 | lbt | N810 backlight is better in the car (well, N800 is u/s) |
| 21:38.32 | Macer | either way i'd want the gps for it ;) |
| 21:38.43 | Macer | although i'm going to have to get a power splitter |
| 21:38.51 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't rely on the n810 gps |
| 21:38.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:38.56 | Macer | Stskeeps: haha |
| 21:39.02 | Macer | it's ok. i doubt i'd use it anyways |
| 21:39.12 | Macer | but i would rather have it for the carman stuff |
| 21:39.30 | javispedro | the n810 gps is not that bad when you learn its quircks |
| 21:39.33 | Macer | i'm ordering the scantool now |
| 21:39.39 | KamikaziFreak | There's no way to price snipe on Ebay if people are bidding properly. |
| 21:39.49 | Macer | KamikaziFreak: heh. well.. you set a max bid |
| 21:39.50 | KamikaziFreak | That's what the automatic bidding is for. |
| 21:39.53 | Macer | either someone wantsw to pay more or not |
| 21:39.59 | lbt | KamikaziFreak: yes there is |
| 21:40.04 | Macer | so i wouldn't consider it price sniping :) |
| 21:40.10 | Macer | they just set a higher max bid |
| 21:40.18 | Macer | and if they want it THAT bad.. they can have it |
| 21:40.19 | Macer | haha |
| 21:40.22 | lbt | last second bid with the max you want to pay |
| 21:40.29 | Stskeeps | automatic bidding is to demoralize your opponents |
| 21:40.45 | Macer | lol |
| 21:40.45 | lbt | my opponents never know I'm ther |
| 21:40.46 | lbt | e |
| 21:40.51 | Macer | lbt: haha |
| 21:40.55 | javispedro | lbt: agreed |
| 21:40.58 | Macer | like i said... you can have it ;) |
| 21:41.06 | Macer | there is only so much i'm going to pay for some old n810 |
| 21:41.06 | Macer | haha |
| 21:41.07 | KamikaziFreak | lbt: That doesn't do anything special. |
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| 21:41.14 | lbt | it does :) |
| 21:41.15 | Macer | especially when an n900/whatever is coming out |
| 21:41.37 | lbt | it stops the doofuses going "ooh, another £1" "damn", "another £1" |
| 21:41.45 | javispedro | haha |
| 21:41.54 | Macer | lol |
| 21:41.59 | javispedro | i've seen those 0,60 wars |
| 21:42.44 | lbt | jbidwatcher is a good tool |
| 21:42.47 | lardman | If horizon was an aeroplane, I think Wiimote control would be marginally better than flying with one wing and no tail |
| 21:42.53 | lardman | s/was/were |
| 21:43.06 | lardman | looks at adding some damping |
| 21:43.12 | javispedro | btw, how are you using the wiimote for that? |
| 21:43.14 | javispedro | i mean |
| 21:43.20 | KamikaziFreak | solarion, no one knows anything about getting files off a rebooting N800? |
| 21:43.21 | lardman | I've just hacked support into it |
| 21:43.26 | javispedro | physically |
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| 21:43.42 | Stskeeps | KamikaziFreak: you'd be happier if you had installed bootmenu with telnet over usb rescue menu :P |
| 21:43.43 | javispedro | flat means no elevation? |
| 21:43.47 | javispedro | bah |
| 21:43.55 | javispedro | avionics parlance is too hard for my poor english |
| 21:44.00 | Macer | carman is for maemo? :) |
| 21:44.05 | Macer | Stskeeps: carman in mer? |
| 21:44.06 | Macer | heh |
| 21:44.07 | lardman | ah, horizon is Jaffa's accelerometer test code |
| 21:44.19 | Macer | well.. guess there is some good use for maemo afterall lol |
| 21:44.27 | Macer | just kidding. maemo isn't that bad |
| 21:44.38 | KamikaziFreak | Stskeeps: Well, past-tense doesn't help me here. I'm going to be writing code to automatically back things up to SD once I get it working. |
| 21:44.38 | Macer | still like android better tho |
| 21:45.13 | chx | my second N810 landed (i lost the first) |
| 21:45.18 | chx | i am SO happy |
| 21:45.22 | lbt | KamikaziFreak: reflash initfs? |
| 21:45.44 | Stskeeps | KamikaziFreak: you can potentially boot a fs from sd with a kernel mod but that's about it.. or get someone's modded initfs (grey area legally) |
| 21:45.59 | Stskeeps | and then i really recommend installing bootmenu, just for the usb net telnet feature :P |
| 21:46.07 | Stskeeps | it saves your ass so many times : |
| 21:46.22 | KamikaziFreak | lbt: I've tried that before. Not this time, so it's worth a shot I suppose. |
| 21:48.02 | KamikaziFreak | I was fiddling with trying to get Bluetooth working with my sister's phone before it went screwy. I had all the BT services turned off, since I don't use them. |
| 21:48.29 | KamikaziFreak | I tried re-enabling them, and it didn't seem to work, so I rebooted. Now rebooting is all it does. |
| 21:50.02 | chx | [14:43] <Stskeeps> KamikaziFreak: you'd be happier if you had installed bootmenu with telnet over usb rescue menu :P <= where can i find that? |
| 21:50.03 | Stskeeps | chx: grab fanoush's bootmenu, and answer yes to installing usbnet |
| 21:50.08 | chx | NICE |
| 21:50.11 | r2d2rogers | Stskeeps: or the deb from the Mer install guide? |
| 21:50.22 | Stskeeps | r2d2rogers: same thing, just different form |
| 21:50.28 | talig | I need some help with a setup.py file, anyone? |
| 21:50.43 | lardman | wow, the output of the wiimote accelerometers is really rather noisy |
| 21:50.47 | chx | Stskeeps: and what cable is necessary for that? |
| 21:50.57 | Stskeeps | chx: the normal usb cable |
| 21:51.06 | chx | that's really nice. |
| 21:51.21 | Stskeeps | you need a linux machine though if you don't use the updated kernel or a mer kernel though |
| 21:51.59 | Macer | blah |
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| 22:01.52 | chx | http://www.pimfg.com/product_detail.asp?part=000-USB-MC-11&child=N&kwid2=&keywordx=4878%20USB you think this will work to use the N810 as host? |
| 22:06.45 | lcuk | lardman, i thought wiimotes weren't that bad |
| 22:07.01 | lcuk | ive certainly seen some sensors that are noisey tho |
| 22:07.13 | talig | Can someone tell me why it is that when I build in scratchbox it decided to change my #!/usr/bin/env python2.5 to #!/scratchbox/tools/bin python ? [I can generally understand why, but I want to prevent it. Ideas?] |
| 22:07.42 | lardman | lcuk: dunno, am just adding some damping |
| 22:07.59 | VDVsx | lardman, consider adding a low pass filter algo |
| 22:08.02 | lcuk | you mucking with jaffas horizon |
| 22:08.10 | lardman | lcuk: then again I may be feeding the wrong format info to the rest of the code |
| 22:08.15 | lcuk | 2x samples / 2 |
| 22:08.23 | lardman | VDVsx: running average, once I work out Python arrays |
| 22:08.36 | lcuk | lardman, cmon its 3 variables :P |
| 22:08.47 | lcuk | using big heavy arrays is a bit ott :P |
| 22:08.48 | johnsq | be happy write C |
| 22:08.53 | ShadowJK | python arrays? use C |
| 22:08.53 | lcuk | mind you, you are a matlab guy lol |
| 22:09.14 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:09.20 | lardman | oi, the code is in Python, bit ott to write some C and have to interface it just to do a running average |
| 22:09.33 | VDVsx | lardman, you can also reduce the sample rate, probably is too high |
| 22:09.38 | ShadowJK | I knew a guy once that wanted arrays in python, he used numpy |
| 22:09.39 | lcuk | hell no, you dont JUST need it for that |
| 22:09.52 | lcuk | you can write a whole library of utility functions |
| 22:10.02 | lcuk | just for different kinds of averages |
| 22:10.34 | lardman | ShadowJK: you saying they are too heavy? |
| 22:10.44 | lcuk | anyway, have you tied it up with the wiimote driver? |
| 22:11.27 | lardman | well it works though not sure the random flying around when it's stationary on the desk is ideal behaviour ;) |
| 22:11.51 | lardman | argh, import Numeric and it doesn't know what zeros() is |
| 22:11.57 | lcuk | wiimote+n810ducttape == win? |
| 22:12.16 | lardman | easily as good as an n900 |
| 22:12.25 | lardman | bet the n900 won't have an IR camera |
| 22:12.34 | lardman | ah, actually I may be wrong there |
| 22:13.11 | lcuk | i thought nokia listened and added a 120gigapixel camera with 20fps capability |
| 22:13.29 | lardman | well most cameras will do long wave IR |
| 22:13.34 | lardman | near visible stuff |
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| 22:16.14 | VDVsx | lardman, simple thing to reduce the sample rate and then the noise: http://pys60.garage.maemo.org/doc/s60/node59.html |
| 22:16.27 | VDVsx | code inside my_callback |
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| 22:17.31 | lardman | lol simple: AccelerometerXYZAxisData(data_filter=LowPassFilter()) |
| 22:17.44 | lcuk | VDVsx, omg! you cannot print a message at 35fps? |
| 22:17.53 | lardman | implemented with a Fourier transform I trust ;) |
| 22:18.21 | chx | [15:13] <lcuk> i thought nokia listened and added a 120gigapixel camera with 20fps capability <= AFAIK the highest res on the market is the 1.8 gigapixel cam on the A-160T |
| 22:18.30 | chx | lcuk: did i miss something? |
| 22:18.37 | lcuk | yeah chx |
| 22:18.45 | VDVsx | lardman, if you quit the filter it will work ok too (FFTs are neat :P) |
| 22:18.48 | lcuk | the announcement of a 120 gigapixel camera. doh! |
| 22:18.54 | chx | obviously |
| 22:18.55 | chx | URL? |
| 22:19.06 | lcuk | i tried, but its too long to paste |
| 22:19.11 | VDVsx | lardman, for what you need more than 35hz ? |
| 22:19.28 | chx | I was shocked by the news and that was not long ago when the Pentagon announced that cam on the A-160T robot 'copter |
| 22:19.31 | lcuk | EXTREAM DATA LOGGING! |
| 22:19.39 | lardman | well the FFT will probably bring the update rate down ;) |
| 22:19.42 | chx | if someone managed to build a pocket size 120GP cam, that'd be rather interesting. |
| 22:20.00 | lcuk | is that a 120GP camera in your pocket? |
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| 22:20.18 | jaska | planck area pixels? |
| 22:20.32 | lcuk | quantum |
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| 22:20.52 | lcuk | dohs himself |
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| 22:21.02 | lcuk | cant blame me, i just got back from a christmas party |
| 22:21.06 | lcuk | wearing shorts |
| 22:21.20 | JoeBrain | that'll be a fun picture to receive through email.. |
| 22:21.26 | lardman | VDVsx: I don't need that at all - 35kHz |
| 22:21.32 | Macer | i still can't believe the car dealership wanted 1200 to change my brakes |
| 22:21.36 | Macer | they must be totally nuts |
| 22:21.47 | Macer | like on crack nuts |
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| 22:21.53 | lcuk | i cant believe your life is worth less than 1200 |
| 22:21.57 | lardman | replacing the discs with solid silver? |
| 22:22.08 | lcuk | depends on whats wrong with the brakes i suppose |
| 22:22.17 | mavhc | his life is fine, it's the people he hits |
| 22:22.19 | lcuk | i had a whole drum collapse on my car |
| 22:22.25 | Macer | lcuk: hahaha |
| 22:22.33 | lardman | cymbals too? |
| 22:22.34 | Macer | pepboys charges 550 |
| 22:22.46 | Macer | the chevy dealership charges like 150/hr for labor |
| 22:22.48 | Macer | they're NUTS |
| 22:22.48 | lcuk | but if you cant stop when you get there, you are fucked |
| 22:22.54 | Macer | lcuk: hahaha |
| 22:23.05 | Macer | well.. i already got my front ones done.. i'm only doing the back just to make sure |
| 22:23.08 | Macer | ;) |
| 22:23.11 | VDVsx | lardman, I've a program that use the output from a python code like that one, and also calculate mean, std, energy and FFT for each of three axis and it is fast enough, so 20~30hz are enough for almost everything |
| 22:23.22 | Macer | but i don't care what anybody says. 1200 for some goddamn brakes |
| 22:23.25 | Macer | is outrageous |
| 22:23.40 | Macer | considering the parts altogether cost like $150 |
| 22:23.40 | mavhc | how many wheels? |
| 22:23.55 | lcuk | what about the people holding the car up |
| 22:23.57 | lardman | VDVsx: I think a rolling average will be enough |
| 22:24.02 | lardman | once I work out the bloody language |
| 22:24.07 | lardman | :) |
| 22:24.09 | Macer | lcuk: you mean the pneumatic car lift? :) |
| 22:24.22 | lcuk | they must be REALLY expensive |
| 22:24.26 | Macer | lcuk: i suppose |
| 22:24.34 | Macer | expensive enough to try to make up for it by charging people 1200 for brakes |
| 22:25.01 | Macer | they said i needed a new light bulb for my rear window brake light also |
| 22:25.02 | lcuk | are you a captive audience tho? |
| 22:25.06 | Macer | so that would probably be another $500 |
| 22:25.08 | ShadowJK | on s60 you can ask for median filtered data |
| 22:25.10 | lcuk | did you have them take your car apart before asking how much? |
| 22:25.19 | ShadowJK | from accelerometers |
| 22:25.24 | Macer | lcuk: lol. no. i asked them first |
| 22:25.29 | Macer | but dealerships NEVER tell you up front |
| 22:25.33 | Macer | pep boys does |
| 22:25.47 | Macer | a dealership has to judge the person |
| 22:25.52 | lcuk | theres a proper dbus interface for maemo isnt there? is it compatible with the joystick interface i use in ubuntu?> |
| 22:25.55 | Macer | to try to figure out hwo much they can screw them |
| 22:26.01 | Macer | like old people are usually the best targets |
| 22:26.07 | lcuk | lardman, my x41 has accelerometer too! |
| 22:26.11 | lcuk | i just found out last week |
| 22:26.18 | Macer | but they had to break open my hubcaps anyways. i lost the key |
| 22:26.35 | Macer | so the tires were going to come off anyways so they could replace the hubcap keyed nut with a normal one |
| 22:27.00 | VDVsx | lardman, don't forget the sample rate is one of your worst enemy's :P, very high sample rate is very difficult to handle |
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| 22:27.47 | parsimoniae | does anyone know where I can find a package for streamer? |
| 22:27.53 | lardman | I only get data when the main program asks for it |
| 22:28.51 | lardman | I hate Python cryptic error clues |
| 22:29.44 | lardman | ah, [] rather than () |
| 22:35.21 | lardman | well it's better with some averaging, but still all round the shop |
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| 23:04.44 | javispedro | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayeeeee |
| 23:05.01 | talig | javispedro: what's wrong? |
| 23:05.27 | javispedro | nothing defines happiness more exactly than spending 2 days to debug a wrong communication between two computer then finally finding the issue |
| 23:05.52 | lardman | cable not plugged in? |
| 23:06.06 | lardman | or was that a scream of joy, rather than frustration? :) |
| 23:06.11 | javispedro | joy :D |
| 23:06.29 | javispedro | 6 pages of hex dumps |
| 23:06.55 | javispedro | the first byte that made no sense was on page 4... :S |
| 23:07.27 | Macer | *cough* |
| 23:07.28 | talig | Oy. |
| 23:07.40 | javispedro | i need to learn how they make ethereal plugins |
| 23:08.03 | lardman | I've been decoding data file formats by staring at hex dumps, great fun |
| 23:08.08 | talig | they = ? |
| 23:08.09 | lardman | ...not |
| 23:08.34 | javispedro | talig, me :) |
| 23:08.57 | lcuk | lardman, you almost sounded like neo out of the matrix then |
| 23:09.06 | lcuk | and it all came crashing down and you reverted to mr bean :p |
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| 23:10.05 | talig | lardman: sounds like fun :) |
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| 23:10.16 | javispedro | it leaves your brain in a funny state indeed |
| 23:11.18 | javispedro | specially when the protocol is plently of handles and all those funny things |
| 23:11.53 | talig | lardman: seriously though - I've been doing a bit of the same myself lately. I feel your pain. |
| 23:12.22 | lardman | strangely, though I tried to decode the same format a few years ago, it just slipped into place |
| 23:12.59 | lardman | just have to work out a few minor bugs, each frame is off by a pixel or two, work out the delimiters, etc |
| 23:13.22 | javispedro | it sucks. there must be a better way than plain paper and pencil. |
| 23:14.16 | lcuk | colored paper and crayons? |
| 23:14.29 | javispedro | note: i actually used colors to mark structs |
| 23:15.15 | lardman | argh, I see the wiimote code I've been using isn't very good |
| 23:15.20 | lcuk | wouldv used paper for first notes but tried to pattern match into c structs |
| 23:15.27 | javispedro | the implementors of this didn't hear of packed structs, so there were lots of padding bytes whose only reason of existance was to bug me |
| 23:15.30 | lcuk | to them move onto import and comparison by computer |
| 23:17.01 | javispedro | now comes the funny part: filling the code with printfs |
| 23:17.51 | JoeBrain | lol colored paper & crayons |
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| 23:20.18 | lardman | how many elements does this contain? data[4:7] |
| 23:20.50 | javispedro | lardman, slicing returns i to j-1 |
| 23:21.01 | javispedro | inclusive |
| 23:21.04 | lardman | ah |
| 23:21.08 | lardman | thanks |
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| 23:28.21 | lardman | I wonder if I'm getting strange results if the battery's going flat? |
| 23:28.54 | lcuk | wiimote games dont get worse until the very end |
| 23:30.44 | lardman | you talking about the quality of the boss baddies? |
| 23:30.49 | lardman | or about the controller :) |
| 23:31.00 | lcuk | heh controller |
| 23:31.23 | lcuk | jake runs through batteries like they are goin out of fashion |
| 23:31.24 | lcuk | and he only gets frustrated when batteries totally die ;) |
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| 23:32.21 | javispedro | i used to play a lot with glovepie on windows |
| 23:32.22 | lardman | this is my first set of batteries |
| 23:32.38 | javispedro | i don't know what filters that soft was implicitly using, |
| 23:32.49 | javispedro | but I remember having to code only a dead zone near the 0 |
| 23:33.21 | javispedro | glovepie=some kind of scripting language for game input methods |
| 23:33.27 | javispedro | (including wiimote) |
| 23:33.41 | lcuk | a deadzone! |
| 23:33.46 | javispedro | party! |
| 23:34.10 | lcuk | i fscking need one of those for something else |
| 23:34.15 | lcuk | thank you thank you thank you! |
| 23:34.45 | lcuk | (i was pondering how to solve a problem i have with some code |
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| 23:35.12 | JoeBrain | you making controllers lcuk? |
| 23:35.25 | lardman | hmm, looks like the output data is fine on pyaxelwii, will have to check my code |
| 23:35.28 | lardman | too late now though |
| 23:35.31 | lardman | night all |
| 23:35.35 | javispedro | night |
| 23:35.35 | lcuk | gnite lardman |
| 23:35.54 | lcuk | :D w000t i got inb4 he left |
| 23:36.07 | lcuk | and you javispedro you must be practicing too lol |
| 23:36.31 | javispedro | i'm getting some typing speed litely |
| 23:36.43 | lcuk | :D |
| 23:36.47 | javispedro | s/litely/lately/ |
| 23:36.47 | javispedro | :D |
| 23:37.03 | lcuk | JoeBrain, decent place to show you what i do: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 23:37.05 | javispedro | writing "./dump.sh" again and again |
| 23:37.12 | lcuk | wants to make a new video |
| 23:38.18 | javispedro | the calendar is looking nice |
| 23:38.22 | javispedro | oops that was in may |
| 23:38.37 | lcuk | yeah :) |
| 23:38.59 | lcuk | theres been a lot happening since (Theres a followon video) and even more since |
| 23:39.02 | JoeBrain | interesting are the apps within the "liqbase" written using special APIs using your stuff? |
| 23:39.10 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:39.47 | JoeBrain | Nifty so like a macro-widgets framework |
| 23:40.00 | JoeBrain | except I assume the widgets are fullblown apps usually |
| 23:41.06 | lcuk | yeah, they can be anything, from a simple little item to a full multi screen app |
| 23:41.15 | javispedro | why does a machine believe 4 bytes are 9? human error. always. |
| 23:42.00 | JoeBrain | How do you handle the limitation of the # of items on-screen @ any given time? |
| 23:42.17 | lcuk | what limitation? ;) within reason i havent got one |
| 23:42.24 | JoeBrain | :) |
| 23:42.32 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090710_002210.lib.holymoly.png |
| 23:42.36 | lcuk | and i meant that seriously |
| 23:42.36 | JoeBrain | I suppose my question rephrased: what's the next step? |
| 23:42.46 | JoeBrain | ah holy moly |
| 23:43.44 | lcuk | i do have limitations though |
| 23:43.46 | talig | Guys, sorry to disturb the conversation. Any of you have some experience with python distutils? |
| 23:43.57 | lcuk | based on cpu and other performance things |
| 23:44.03 | lcuk | but everything is totally scalable |
| 23:44.08 | javispedro | talig, I have the experience that none of them work in a real device :D |
| 23:44.13 | lcuk | and it runs a dream on big fast rigs |
| 23:44.33 | talig | javispedro: lol Funny, that's similar to mine :) |
| 23:45.16 | javispedro | are you writing a setup.py yourself or packaging one? |
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| 23:47.19 | JoeBrain | what's it written using lcuk? |
| 23:47.32 | lcuk | my blood |
| 23:47.34 | lcuk | and a bit of c |
| 23:47.57 | talig | javispedro: Actually, I'm trying to create a package. Actually quite successfully, there's just one problem :( |
| 23:48.29 | JoeBrain | lol "my blood" |
| 23:48.48 | lcuk | :) |
| 23:49.02 | javispedro | "my blood programming language" -- compiled by the devil himself |
| 23:49.22 | qwerty12_N810 | g666 |
| 23:49.30 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, they dont know lol |
| 23:49.47 | javispedro | and think that whatever it is i don't want to know :D |
| 23:50.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, it's a lot worse than Satan: |
| 23:50.18 | qwerty12_N810 | ~666 |
| 23:50.19 | infobot | 666 is, like, Steve Jobs. |
| 23:50.38 | lcuk | :O |
| 23:50.40 | talig | lol |
| 23:50.48 | talig | ~42 |
| 23:50.49 | infobot | 42 is, like, the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 23:50.55 | talig | :) |
| 23:51.14 | lcuk | ~pi |
| 23:51.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 23:52.03 | javispedro | so tell us lcuk, how do you send The Steve Jobs your "blood" code for him to compile? |
| 23:52.24 | nomis | extra, extra, read all about it, infobot is wrong. |
| 23:52.53 | nomis | relurks. |
| 23:53.20 | lcuk | javispedro, it was deLIVERed to him |
| 23:53.37 | javispedro | thank god, i god it had something to do with iphones |
| 23:53.44 | javispedro | s/god/though/ |
| 23:53.50 | javispedro | go to hell |
| 23:53.50 | lcuk | most recent code patch: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124546193182433491.html |
| 23:53.54 | qwerty12_N810 | lol |
| 23:54.48 | jeremiah | lcuk: That is firmware that got updated. |
| 23:55.10 | lcuk | binary blob |
| 23:55.15 | lcuk | patched him without reboot |
| 23:55.15 | javispedro | core dump |
| 23:55.26 | jeremiah | New motherboard. |
| 23:55.29 | javispedro | kspliced him then |
| 23:55.39 | talig | jeremiah: congrats. |
| 23:55.44 | lcuk | heh jeremiah hotswap |
| 23:56.05 | jeremiah | talig: That motherboard was Job's liver, not my machine. :) |
| 23:56.11 | JoeBrain | lol |
| 23:56.29 | talig | jeremiah: we're awfully bloody today ... |
| 23:56.41 | jeremiah | Indeed. |
| 23:56.52 | lcuk | out of bacon? |
| 23:57.00 | jeremiah | Is there bacon? |
| 23:57.04 | jeremiah | I want bacon. |
| 23:57.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Anyone want a pint? |
| 23:57.06 | lcuk | there is always bacon |
| 23:57.08 | Macer | do all maemo apps run in mer? |
| 23:57.08 | jeremiah | Where's lardman? |
| 23:57.20 | Macer | so if i were to try to run carman i shouldn't have any problems running it in mer? |
| 23:57.25 | lcuk | said he was goind sleeping, but ive got bets on a midnight blt |
| 23:57.29 | Macer | with gps/maemo maps support? |
| 23:57.33 | jeremiah | Shouldn't all maemo apps run in mer? |
| 23:57.42 | jeremiah | I think they should. |
| 23:57.42 | Macer | jeremiah: i would guess so |
| 23:57.44 | lcuk | no cos mer doesnt support everything |
| 23:57.58 | Macer | i thought mer supported everything maemo did |
| 23:58.00 | jeremiah | In other words, I think it is Mer's goal to be compatible. |
| 23:58.03 | lcuk | and lots of maemo apps have bugs and maemoisms |
| 23:58.08 | javispedro | with all that diablo-framantle breaking within? |
| 23:58.12 | Macer | maemoisms? :) |
| 23:58.13 | Macer | heh |
| 23:58.15 | jeremiah | lcuk: That sucks. Like what? |
| 23:58.23 | Macer | so what happens to maemo then after nokia ditches it? |
| 23:58.32 | jeremiah | Mer happens. |
| 23:58.36 | lcuk | jeremiah, not serious things, but enough to need tweaking from what ive seen |
| 23:58.38 | Macer | well.. not "ditches" but leaves n8x0 users high and dry |
| 23:58.40 | lcuk | things like /home/user |
| 23:58.58 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.58 | Macer | if mer can run carman then i'll be happy ;) |
| 23:59.01 | lcuk | and expecting the limited toolset |
| 23:59.05 | Macer | which is the only reason i'm getting an n810 right now |
| 23:59.11 | jeremiah | Macer: Mer is definitely meant to be the backwards compatible OS for the tablet |
| 23:59.11 | Macer | i already ordered my bt scan tool |
| 23:59.19 | Macer | jeremiah: i figured as much |
| 23:59.28 | Macer | and i remember being able to run maemo apps in early vers |
| 23:59.32 | lcuk | jeremiah, trying - it will compile a lot of things |
| 23:59.42 | jeremiah | I would be really, really surprised if it doesn't run carman. |
| 23:59.54 | Macer | i would be really, really disappointed ;) |
| 23:59.54 | lcuk | is canola on it yet for instance? |
| 23:59.57 | lcuk | or bluemaemo |
