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| 07:37.11 | RST38h | Here goes N9x0 launch: http://gizmodo.com/5323446/financial-times-confirms-apple-tablet-features-september-launch |
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| 08:28.35 | florian | good morning |
| 08:29.10 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:35.45 | supermaz | Hi everyone |
| 08:36.03 | supermaz | Does anyone knows if there is a caldav capable calendar app for maemo? |
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| 09:06.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-smartq-apmd.png |
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| 09:06.50 | Stskeeps | i'm not entirely sure the values are right though :P |
| 09:07.01 | RST38h | Sts: Cooolio |
| 09:07.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: nice :) |
| 09:07.26 | RST38h | Sts: Good to see that the sinister violet/green halo around the Mer logo is gone |
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| 09:07.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: it's there still just not highlighted |
| 09:07.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i don't believe that a smartq can stay 7d active though |
| 09:08.02 | Stskeeps | admittedly i wouldn't mind, but .. :) |
| 09:12.05 | RST38h | Sts: Change it already, it is real ugly |
| 09:12.23 | RST38h | Sts: Just making the logo brighter will do the job |
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| 09:14.22 | sarower | for socket programming: Once the connection is established, I am maintaining the connection always...... |
| 09:14.23 | sarower | So when server send data....how i can receive...it... |
| 09:14.23 | sarower | is it ok if i keep the recv() function inside an infinite loop? |
| 09:14.27 | sarower | any body...any idea..? |
| 09:14.31 | sarower | Of course it is inside another thread |
| 09:14.35 | sarower | any expert opinion...! |
| 09:15.27 | RST38h | sarower: The expert opinion is to suggest that you read a book on socket programming |
| 09:15.39 | RST38h | Do you need a reference to a particular book? |
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| 09:16.05 | sarower | tumi emon tera marka kotha bolo keno vai? |
| 09:16.17 | RST38h | Please, use English |
| 09:16.23 | sarower | ok.... |
| 09:16.34 | qwerty12_N810 | sarower: be nice ;) |
| 09:16.47 | sarower | ok |
| 09:17.51 | sarower | qwerty12_N810: See, RST38h always behaves rude.... is it right? |
| 09:18.19 | sarower | I know you are very genious....but.. |
| 09:18.44 | RST38h | Socket programming does not require genius. It does require reading a book though. |
| 09:19.53 | sarower | Ok, you do not need to give any suggestion...or no need to reply me... |
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| 09:20.38 | sarower | and keep in mind that "proud" destroys everything |
| 09:21.54 | LinuxCode | lazyness is a bigger problem |
| 09:23.46 | Stskeeps | sarower: you are really showing an incapability to simply google after stuff or read a book. we all had to go through that. nothing to do with pride. it's better to give you a fishing rod than a fish. |
| 09:24.19 | LinuxCode | and with that said, are we talking c ? |
| 09:24.33 | LinuxCode | if so... Interprocess Communications in Linux |
| 09:24.34 | LinuxCode | by |
| 09:24.40 | LinuxCode | Gray |
| 09:24.58 | LinuxCode | published by prentice hall |
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| 09:52.18 | lardman | morning all |
| 09:53.53 | Stskeeps | morning lardman |
| 09:55.39 | lardman | hi Stskeeps |
| 09:56.11 | lardman | Is it just me, or have there been no emails to maemo-developers all weekend? |
| 09:56.32 | Stskeeps | i haven't seen any personally |
| 09:56.34 | lcuk | maemo developers are stuck in a timevortex |
| 09:56.37 | lcuk | didnt you get the email? |
| 09:56.38 | Stskeeps | it is high summer though isn't it? |
| 09:56.49 | lardman | Stskeeps: true |
| 09:56.50 | lcuk | waves |
| 09:56.52 | lardman | lcuk: hey :) |
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| 09:59.42 | lardman | so anything new in the past couple of weeks? |
| 10:01.57 | Stskeeps | not much, i'm at debconf and meeting various people - a lot of maemo.org logos down here |
| 10:02.15 | X-Fade | lardman: Registration for summit opened. Will you be there? :) |
| 10:02.25 | Stskeeps | on all tshirts, posters, etc |
| 10:02.54 | Stskeeps | and mentioned in my talk and maemo.org logo on suihkulokki's talk :) |
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| 10:03.22 | lardman | X-Fade: should be, need to check how I get from Berlin to Amsterdam |
| 10:03.40 | lardman | and then from Amsterdam back home |
| 10:03.53 | X-Fade | lardman: The first part should not be a big problem. |
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| 10:04.15 | lardman | I had a quick look this morning and it seems pretty expensive though |
| 10:04.17 | andre__ | lardman, there's e.g. a nighttrain from berlin to amsterdam. and flights of course :-) |
| 10:04.27 | andre__ | but yeah, it's not that cheap |
| 10:04.29 | lardman | £20 to get to Berlin and ~£150 to get to Amsterdam from there |
| 10:04.44 | lardman | yeah there's a train 6.5h |
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| 10:04.56 | andre__ | what is that in a standard currency? :-P |
| 10:05.17 | lardman | I might look at flying to Paris, or similar then doing return flights to Berlin and Amsterdam from there |
| 10:05.33 | lardman | andre__: :p like 200E |
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| 10:05.39 | andre__ | uh |
| 10:05.42 | Jaffa | lardman: I did the reverse trip last year (well, Arnhem to Berlin) |
| 10:05.49 | Jaffa | Train was good; and online bookable. |
| 10:05.58 | lardman | did you go overnight? |
| 10:06.34 | lardman | Anyway yes I will be there, just have to sort the logistics |
| 10:06.36 | lardman | :) |
| 10:06.46 | lardman | X-Fade: and where's my karma? ;) |
| 10:07.14 | andre__ | lardman, one-way day train is available for 50eur on bahn.de |
| 10:07.25 | andre__ | berlin -> amsterdam |
| 10:07.39 | X-Fade | lardman: transavia.com 30 euro Berlin -> Amsterdam. |
| 10:07.58 | lardman | ah, sounds good |
| 10:08.05 | X-Fade | hmm ex taxes ;) |
| 10:08.10 | X-Fade | Well 69 including |
| 10:08.17 | lardman | yeah, I can survive that |
| 10:08.31 | lardman | then I need to go from Amsterdam to somewhere I can fly back to Bristol |
| 10:08.47 | lardman | hmm, anyway I'll work it out, I could head to London I guess |
| 10:09.14 | lardman | not sure how my finance dept will like my circuitous route back from my meeting in Berlin though |
| 10:09.15 | lardman | :) |
| 10:09.37 | Stskeeps | lardman: we have DSP sharing now in mer kernel btw |
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| 10:10.04 | lardman | sharing? |
| 10:10.17 | Stskeeps | well whatever the DSP framebuffer thing was :) |
| 10:10.19 | lardman | video memory you mean? |
| 10:10.21 | lardman | yeah, ok |
| 10:10.25 | X-Fade | is amazed that airlines charge an 'Administration fee' for online flight bookings. |
| 10:10.31 | lardman | good good, is it still amazingly unstable? :) |
| 10:10.38 | Stskeeps | lardman: Mer or the patch? ;) |
| 10:10.46 | RST38h | X-Fade: Instead of amazement, do nt use them |
| 10:10.46 | X-Fade | That is about the easiest way for them to get money and the data. :) |
| 10:11.24 | lardman | Stskeeps: I'm planning on flashing Mer this evening |
| 10:11.42 | Stskeeps | 0.15's a big step forward, at least |
| 10:11.50 | lardman | Need to get barcode stuff done too, keeps annoying me not knowing which books I own |
| 10:11.51 | Stskeeps | has weird wifi issue on his installation though |
| 10:12.02 | lardman | Stskeeps: how weird? |
| 10:12.32 | Stskeeps | well, it seems not to hit other people, so i think it might be a sideeffect of me mucking about inside my n8x0 to fix my charger plug :) |
| 10:12.54 | lardman | ah ok |
| 10:13.13 | lardman | really wants a new phone, come on Nokia! |
| 10:13.44 | roope_ | Good morning. |
| 10:13.47 | lardman | Jaffa: so I reckon if you render the tiles from Google Satellite view and use a simple flight model, will be pretty good ;) |
| 10:13.59 | lardman | hi roope |
| 10:14.21 | roope | Summer holidays are slowly ending in Finland. :) |
| 10:16.31 | Myrtti | X-Fade: some airlines that charge that are still cheaper than the ones that don't |
| 10:16.58 | Myrtti | contemplates on buying a 2.79⬠flight to UK |
| 10:17.42 | X-Fade | Myrtti: Yeah, but it is just stupit to tell your customer that he has to pay for administration of their core business. |
| 10:18.09 | X-Fade | Myrtti: They are in the business of selling flights, how else would they get your booking? :) |
| 10:19.42 | Myrtti | X-Fade: I'd call flight industrys core business keeping the planes in the air, not suffling papers around in the airports - atleast here in Finland an unnamed flight company beginning with a letter R has outsourced everything they do at the airport to a subcontractor - can understand why they need to charge for the online stuff as they need to suffle data to the subcontractor and so on |
| 10:20.08 | Jaffa | lardman: Nice idea :) |
| 10:21.27 | Jaffa | lardman: The spirit level on the iPhone App Store advert annoyed me. This was a quick way of playing with accelerometers & Cairo. Next step: accelerometers & OpenGL-ES to do a fun little "tilt your way through the obstacles" game |
| 10:21.35 | lardman | Jaffa: when I have a few spare minutes I'll plumb in the wiimote so I can play |
| 10:21.47 | Jaffa | lardman: Cool; patches welcome. |
| 10:21.55 | lardman | Jaffa: yes, sounds good |
| 10:22.18 | Jaffa | lardman: Ideally there'd be a series of class references and it asks each one if they're available; and use the first available. But my Python-fu isn't strong enough for that yet |
| 10:23.42 | lardman | Or we could just let the user choose of course :) |
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| 10:26.14 | Jaffa | lardman: Indeed. |
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| 11:10.07 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: ping |
| 11:10.57 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: pong. |
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| 11:11.19 | lardman | and there I thought you were out burning cars in your summer holiday ;) |
| 11:11.34 | lardman | how are your Debianisation skillz? |
| 11:11.49 | qwerty12_N810 | Not great |
| 11:12.20 | lardman | note to self, don't abuse someone before asking a favour |
| 11:12.26 | lardman | ~kick self |
| 11:12.27 | infobot | ACTION kicks self |
| 11:13.11 | RST38h | lardman: as long as you promise him to stop the abuse... |
| 11:13.18 | lardman | ah, good plan |
| 11:13.19 | lardman | :) |
| 11:14.04 | supermaz | Hi all |
| 11:14.21 | supermaz | does someone knows if there is a CalDav capable Calendar software for maemo? |
| 11:15.31 | lcuk | lardman, did you ever finish up all your database stuff you started looking at |
| 11:15.37 | lcuk | or is that in a dropped branch for now |
| 11:15.40 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: any advice as to how to perform Debianisation, do you have some basic skeleton files you use? |
| 11:15.48 | qwerty12_N810 | dh_make? |
| 11:15.52 | lardman | lcuk: no, been busy |
| 11:16.15 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: does dh_make take a plan tarball and turn it all Debian like? |
| 11:16.23 | lardman | s/plan/plain |
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| 11:16.47 | lcuk | it creates the baseline /debian folder within your project |
| 11:16.50 | lardman | lcuk: the gui is a real pain though, so am thinking the Python way might be better than keeping going with the C |
| 11:16.51 | lcuk | i think |
| 11:17.16 | lcuk | yeah i hear ya |
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| 11:17.38 | Jaffa | lardman: mud can help with basic debianisation, FWIW |
| 11:17.38 | lardman | plus I may as well hack using the same language as the GSoC project |
| 11:17.48 | lcuk | just hope theres still some entry points, i have a super graffiti wall and lots of source data that will need throwing into something soon :D |
| 11:18.15 | lardman | Jaffa: is there a howto somewhere? I just want to create a deb that sticks the files in the right place, nice and quick and easy, etc. |
| 11:18.27 | lardman | lcuk: well you may find zbar does the trick for you |
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| 11:18.49 | lardman | lcuk: it does lots of barcode types, and is written in C, with a python entry point, etc |
| 11:18.55 | lcuk | yeah ill sort that out later, ill just leave it with a stub for now |
| 11:19.39 | Jaffa | lardman: the docs are a bit out of date: http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:20.21 | Jaffa | lardman: Best example is something like Vim: https://garage.maemo.org/viewvc/trunk/packages/vim.pkg/?revision=233&root=mud-builder - a "foo.pkg" file in mud/packages containing a mud.xml |
| 11:20.29 | Jaffa | That defines upstream source and any additional metadata. |
| 11:20.36 | Jaffa | lardman: then `mud build foo' |
| 11:20.58 | lardman | ok, will give it a go |
| 11:21.07 | Jaffa | vim also demonstrates shipping files for menu integration and arbitrary other files which aren't part of the tarball. |
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| 11:22.06 | Stskeeps | wonders when the next maemo-beagle will be up to date |
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| 11:24.56 | lardman | any news on the PowerVR stuff? |
| 11:25.10 | Stskeeps | i suppose it has been hit by the summer |
| 11:25.15 | lardman | ah true |
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| 11:27.08 | wazd_ | RST38h: ping?) |
| 11:27.36 | lardman | bbiab, changing location |
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| 11:34.45 | RST38h | wazd: pong. |
| 11:36.18 | rmt_ | Muhaha. I now have my girlfriend entering all our travel plans into Tomboy, and will copy it to the 810 afterwards. |
| 11:36.37 | Stskeeps | don't rely on n810 gps |
| 11:36.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:36.39 | wazd | RST38h: from my blog bout Ti85: Hey, |
| 11:36.40 | rmt_ | I also discovered that evince on the n810 seems to eat CPU regardless .. led to a wrong turn on the drive home yesterday. |
| 11:36.41 | wazd | Thanks for making these, they look very cool, however, they are hard to use with fingers (not impossible, just a bit hard). Could it be possible to make a new âskinâ and use some of the empty space to make the keys bigger? |
| 11:36.43 | wazd | Thanks! |
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| 11:37.03 | rmt_ | But I must say, San Marino has fabulous views. :-) |
| 11:37.47 | Stskeeps | is enjoying caceres, spain |
| 11:37.51 | Stskeeps | .. especially sitting inside |
| 11:37.51 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:38.36 | rmt_ | Hehe.. actually, the weather there yesterday was *great* .. hot, but a cool breeze .. unlike Perugia, where the heat's just stifling. No ocean to cool us down. |
| 11:38.43 | RST38h | wazd: This is the version of the guy who wanted to make sensitive areas bigger (on itt) |
| 11:39.01 | rmt_ | But I kind of fear Sicily next month .. July/August is the worst time of the year to go, I think.. |
| 11:39.18 | wazd | fucking google |
| 11:39.29 | RST38h | wazd: Generally possible, but 1) will make it easier to make a mistake and 2) requires me to go and tediously change a few scores of rectangle coordinates |
| 11:39.30 | wazd | I've installed Picasa 3 software |
| 11:39.34 | RST38h | And, of course, I am lazy |
| 11:39.39 | RST38h | wazd: Why? |
| 11:39.50 | RST38h | wazd: They have got web albums, that is usually enough |
| 11:40.29 | wazd | RST38h: it allows me to choose 2 options on startup - search whole PC for photos and search "only" My Pictures and Desktop |
| 11:40.36 | wazd | RST38h: I can't search nothing |
| 11:40.46 | RST38h | wazd: Uninstall, ignore |
| 11:41.25 | RST38h | made Google Voice work with Gizmo and even made a few US calls yesterdya |
| 11:41.27 | wazd | RST38h: yep, that was pretty annoying |
| 11:41.58 | RST38h | The funny thing is, as Ubuntu absolutely refused to support mike on my laptop, the tablet ended up as the only Gizmo client in the house |
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| 11:42.29 | RST38h | wazd: Any attempt by a ebusiness to force plunger up your ass is gonna be annoying, to say the least |
| 11:42.59 | RST38h | wazd: Be it Picasa, Java, or ICQ |
| 11:44.39 | wazd | RST38h: at least ICQ don't tell me "I want to cache all files on your PC right now. Obey." |
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| 11:45.38 | RST38h | wazd: Ah it does a lot of other things, if you try installing the official ICQ client from AOL |
| 11:45.46 | lcuk | well icq and picasa are 2 completely different apps |
| 11:45.55 | lcuk | i expect a graphical cataloging app to search my machine |
| 11:45.58 | lcuk | why would an im program? |
| 11:46.27 | RST38h | lcuk: It does not, it just installs itself all over the place, pulls up its own copy of the JVM, then insterts itself into autostart |
| 11:46.28 | wazd | lcuk: sure, but I would expect an app to allow me not to catalogue all stuff on my pc |
| 11:46.40 | RST38h | lcuk: At which point it proceeds to search all your contacts and add them in |
| 11:46.58 | RST38h | lcuk: In other words, it is a differently shaped plunger applied to the same orifice |
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| 11:47.21 | wazd | lcuk: Picasa didn't give me that choice so it was anihilated :) |
| 11:47.39 | lcuk | you just said it had option for scan all machine |
| 11:47.55 | lcuk | RST38h, you mean the extra crap with icq, not icq itself |
| 11:47.59 | wazd | lcuk: all or just my pictures |
| 11:48.15 | wazd | lcuk: which are basicaly the same ptions on my PC :) |
| 11:48.27 | RST38h | lcuk: But again, you do not get much choice |
| 11:48.29 | lcuk | thats a reasonable choice for a catalog tho - doesnt canola do similar? |
| 11:48.46 | wazd | lcuk: canola allows me to choose folders |
| 11:48.54 | wazd | lcuk: specific folders |
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| 11:49.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: crazy question, who uses FVWM in Maemo these days? |
| 11:49.02 | RST38h | wazd: My guess is that you will find a different image cataloging program that is less intrusive and more smart |
| 11:49.03 | wazd | lcuk: Picasa doesn't |
| 11:49.15 | RST38h | wazd: twocows or some other software site has them |
| 11:49.31 | wazd | RST38h: In fact I don't want to catalogue my photos, I just wanted to have a web album for Mer shots :) |
| 11:49.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: er.. Maybe Benson? (And I'm not even 100% on that) |
| 11:49.56 | wazd | RST38h: I have Lightroom for listing/editting :) |
| 11:49.59 | lcuk | wazd im sure you can specifcy specific folders in picasa - maybe not at the firstboot wizard, but in the main options |
| 11:50.12 | lcuk | then picasa is wrong app deffo |
| 11:50.53 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: reason i'm wondering is because of zenvoid.org/tmp/fvwm/ - we're emulating mer ui in fvwm |
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| 11:51.38 | qwerty12_N810 | A WM that understands the concept of more than one window (*gasp*) would be nice... |
| 11:51.47 | lardman | re |
| 11:51.50 | Stskeeps | check the middle screenshot i think |
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| 11:52.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Nice |
| 11:53.15 | RST38h | wazd: Ah, you do not need Picasa client to create a web album |
| 11:53.36 | RST38h | wazd: They may not clearly tell you that because they want you to have the client |
| 11:53.48 | wazd | RST38h: their web uploader can upload only 6 photos at a time |
| 11:54.08 | RST38h | wazd: You have got more? =) |
| 11:54.17 | wazd | RST38h: 50 :) |
| 11:54.28 | RST38h | Just 9 runs... |
| 11:54.40 | RST38h | Easier than suffer Picasa client |
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| 11:55.53 | lcuk | facepalm: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/25/kindle_conundrum/ |
| 11:56.22 | lcuk | Stskeeps, are they composited in :o |
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| 11:59.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Stupid people. "Buying content" hehe |
| 12:00.13 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: really interesting screenshot.. http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fvwm-interesting.png |
| 12:00.19 | Stskeeps | (osso-xterm and HIM) |
| 12:02.25 | mavhc | not like you can't alter the folders picassa uses after it's running |
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| 12:04.24 | Macer | well |
| 12:04.37 | Macer | need to make one more wordpress vhost |
| 12:05.07 | RST38h | lcuk: BTW, there are ebooks with free open courced firmware *and* there is a contest for the best ebook app going on right now |
| 12:05.15 | RST38h | s/courced/sourced |
| 12:05.57 | lcuk | ebook app on which platform? |
| 12:06.04 | RST38h | PocketBook 301+ |
| 12:06.22 | RST38h | aka "the Ukrainian ebook" |
| 12:06.29 | lcuk | cool |
| 12:06.30 | RST38h | http://www.pocketbook.com.ua/ |
| 12:07.08 | lcuk | back to greyscale :) neat |
| 12:07.21 | lardman | hmm, what's up with OMWeather? |
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| 12:07.57 | lcuk | is gonna make a weather app which lets you put your own weather in one day soon :) |
| 12:08.20 | RST38h | lcuk: Can I make a feature request? =) |
| 12:08.20 | lcuk | the amount of times i look at a weather applet in whichever system, then glance at the window and go "no its not" |
| 12:08.36 | lcuk | no |
| 12:08.46 | RST38h | shit |
| 12:08.49 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:09.01 | RST38h | wanted to ask for the "microwave on high" option |
| 12:09.02 | lcuk | fire away, im kidding |
| 12:09.08 | lardman | lcuk: that's the problem with using Yahoo weather or whatever it is |
| 12:09.22 | lardman | lcuk: try xcweather.co.uk, seems to be better than average in its performance |
| 12:09.33 | lcuk | lardman, what is? its always wrong or it doesnt give weather, it requests it |
| 12:10.05 | lcuk | lardman, i want to just click on the kind of weather it is |
| 12:10.05 | lardman | lcuk: always wrong |
| 12:10.18 | lardman | ah, attached to a weather machine, I see |
| 12:10.28 | lcuk | human weather station :) |
| 12:10.33 | lcuk | or automated readings |
| 12:10.38 | lardman | well obviously the interface is the hard bit there, changing the weather is old hat ;) |
| 12:10.41 | lcuk | "its sunny here now" |
| 12:11.05 | lcuk | hates seeing what a computer THINKS something is |
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| 12:12.19 | lcuk | anyway, back to the grind |
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| 12:12.53 | lardman | hmm, /me likes the look of mud xml |
| 12:14.39 | lardman | though I can't see any links on the mud pages to the actual ruby (I think) scripts. Anyone? |
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| 12:16.28 | lardman | ah, svn job |
| 12:16.53 | lardman | hmm, cert error for Garage |
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| 12:28.09 | lardman | hey GeneralAntilles |
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| 12:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | Morning, lardman. |
| 12:29.39 | lardman | what number do the maemo packages start from? I've got zbar-0.8, should that then be zbar-0.8-maemo0 or something? |
| 12:30.00 | lardman | how's things GeneralAntilles? |
| 12:30.10 | GeneralAntilles | Tired, getting ready for another marathon week at work. |
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| 12:30.45 | X-Fade | lardman: zbar_0.8-maemo1 |
| 12:30.50 | lardman | work work or uni work? |
| 12:30.53 | lardman | X-Fade: thanks |
| 12:31.04 | GeneralAntilles | Work-work |
| 12:31.09 | X-Fade | mind the difference between _ and - ;) |
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| 12:32.09 | lardman | X-Fade: yep, I guess mud-builder sorts out the underscore for me |
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| 12:34.30 | Jaffa | lardman: If it's not been packaged for any other platform, the -maemo suffix is unnecessary. |
| 12:34.37 | lardman | oh, ok |
| 12:34.51 | lardman | well it's an external project |
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| 12:35.04 | lardman | but I hope to use it unchanged, so in that case do I need the suffix? |
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| 12:35.32 | X-Fade | The maemo suffix tells that you changed something to the packaging for Maemo. |
| 12:35.42 | X-Fade | Not touched the actual code. |
| 12:36.06 | lardman | ok |
| 12:37.11 | X-Fade | lardman: http://maemo.org/forrest-images/pdf/maemo-policy.pdf See 3.2.1 on page 11. |
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| 12:38.05 | lardman | X-Fade: ok, cheers |
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| 12:38.38 | RST38h | wonders if he should change "armel" to "maemo" in package names |
| 12:38.49 | RST38h | Given that they are clearly Maemo specific |
| 12:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | runs off to work. |
| 12:39.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: armel is typically related to the arch. |
| 12:40.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, I guessed that much |
| 12:40.36 | RST38h | X-Fade: So, if I only used stdio and let us say X11, it would be ok to have "armel" |
| 12:40.57 | X-Fade | RST38h: You shouldn't use armel at all. |
| 12:40.57 | RST38h | Buy with hildon_app, hildon_window, and other Maemo stuff it has to be maemo |
| 12:41.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: Only to indicate build archs. |
| 12:41.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/c/cairoclock/ |
| 12:41.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: I have seen it used quite a lot though |
| 12:41.56 | X-Fade | Notice the _ after the version number. |
| 12:42.03 | RST38h | ah ok |
| 12:42.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: name_version_arch.deb |
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| 12:42.57 | X-Fade | The builder automatically adds arch btw. |
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| 12:43.48 | RST38h | X-Fade: I build stuff locally |
| 12:44.10 | talig | Anyone wrote anything with pygtk? I'm struggling with some annoying bug... |
| 12:44.12 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yeah, then you should do it yourself. But at least that is the idea. |
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| 12:45.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am always adding armel, so I should be ok |
| 12:46.06 | prometoys | how can I set Midori as default browser? |
| 12:47.34 | lardman | Jaffa: dare I say it looks like it's working, with only some minor tweaks. Good stuff :) |
| 12:47.53 | lardman | ah, spoke too soon |
| 12:47.53 | Jaffa | lardman: cool |
| 12:47.56 | Jaffa | doh |
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| 12:50.31 | lardman | hmm, not linking against something Python related - the bridge library I guess |
| 12:50.49 | lardman | lot of undefined PyThis PyThat errors |
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| 12:55.41 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ping |
| 12:55.56 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, pong |
| 12:56.16 | timeless_mbp | andre__: is the game startup screen in the maemo5 sdk? |
| 12:56.43 | andre__ | no idea |
| 12:57.09 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ok, do you have a diablo device? |
| 12:57.17 | andre__ | yes |
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| 12:57.30 | timeless_mbp | ok, turn it on, and run any of the nokia games |
| 12:58.17 | timeless_mbp | now look at the two buttons (start, restart) |
| 12:58.22 | timeless_mbp | do they appear centered on your screen? |
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| 12:58.45 | timeless_mbp | now, find a fremantle thing, and run any game |
| 12:58.45 | timeless_mbp | check the same thing :) |
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| 13:00.50 | timeless_mbp | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/h/hildon-games-wrapper/ |
| 13:00.52 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, yes, confirming the issue. not centered in fremantle |
| 13:00.53 | timeless_mbp | it's public! |
| 13:00.56 | timeless_mbp | woohoo |
| 13:01.01 | timeless_mbp | sighs and goes to file |
| 13:01.19 | timeless_mbp | can you make sure this is fixed once i file it? |
| 13:01.29 | timeless_mbp | i mean, this is incredible :) |
| 13:01.38 | andre__ | no, as i lack superpowers ;-) |
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| 13:05.22 | timeless_mbp | Bug 4831 has been added to the database |
| 13:05.28 | timeless_mbp | please send it to the almighty graveyard in the clouds where it can rot |
| 13:05.53 | andre__ | you mean my desk? :-P |
| 13:06.35 | timeless_mbp | nah |
| 13:06.45 | timeless_mbp | i wouldn't want your desk to get messier |
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| 13:06.59 | lardman | it would be turned into coal on my desk there's so much paper work scudding about |
| 13:07.39 | timeless_mbp | andre__: anyway, lemme know once you've filed it :) |
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| 13:09.15 | andre__ | (my desk is quite clean actually, heh) |
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| 13:10.26 | lardman | here's my error if anyone has any ideas (Python C linking thing): http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/temp/output.txt |
| 13:11.52 | GAN800 | Do it right. |
| 13:12.08 | lardman | ? |
| 13:12.18 | GAN800 | andre__, change the post title yet? :P |
| 13:12.31 | GAN800 | lardman, just general advice. ;) |
| 13:13.06 | lardman | :) |
| 13:13.08 | qwerty12_N810 | -lpython may actually be a start |
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| 13:14.35 | jeremiah | sopi: Thanks for the email and keeping me up-to-date. |
| 13:15.06 | VDVsx | lardman, yep, it can't find python.h |
| 13:15.32 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: I was wondering if something like that was needed |
| 13:15.53 | lardman | VDVsx: python.h, I can't find any complaints about that in the output |
| 13:16.06 | qwerty12_N810 | VDVsx: it's a linker error |
| 13:16.25 | lardman | anyone know what sem_post means in this context too? |
| 13:16.51 | VDVsx | lardman, "PyErr_Occurred" ->this is from python.h I guess, and yes qwerty solution should work |
| 13:16.52 | sopi | jeremiah: sure thing |
| 13:16.56 | lardman | I wonder why it didn't link against libpython, odd |
| 13:17.22 | VDVsx | lardman, I've the sem_post issue too, but everthing works, so no probs :P |
| 13:17.44 | VDVsx | something related to cython in SB, I guess |
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| 13:20.59 | lardman | ah, that might be what's screwed it up though |
| 13:21.32 | lardman | python-config --libs spits out lots of sem_post errors as well as the libraries line, so perhaps it doesn't get through |
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| 13:22.32 | lardman | http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html |
| 13:23.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Assuming that it runs python-config --cflags, that wouldn't account for -I/usr/include/python2.5 being included. |
| 13:23.08 | lardman | perhaps I need to upgrade my installation |
| 13:23.53 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/m49067ff5 |
| 13:24.07 | lardman | so perhaps that sort of output doesn't work too well |
| 13:24.29 | lardman | hmm, I wonder if that is really a Chinook sb installation |
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| 13:26.54 | lardman | mmm, f77 exists, perhaps I was using this one to build octave |
| 13:27.16 | lardman | do people with the diablo version get an error with python-config? |
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| 13:30.03 | RST38h | Running f77 on a tablet sounds kinky |
| 13:30.16 | lardman | no in sb to build stuff for the tablet |
| 13:30.45 | lardman | I'm not one of those strange build-on-device ones like lcuk ;) |
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| 13:34.38 | VDVsx | lardman, after installing cython (I think), I get the sem_post warning in everything python related, even when running a normal app inside SB |
| 13:34.47 | VDVsx | diablo 4.1 here |
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| 13:36.58 | lardman | thanks, I'll reinstall scratchbox later on and see what I get with a fresh install |
| 13:38.12 | lardman | righty-ho, have to head off, back later on |
| 13:39.17 | jeez_ | I'm compiling qt 4.6 for maemo, but I just can't use OpenGl as graphicssystem. Is there someone from the qt4-maemo here ? |
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| 13:40.31 | fiferboy | jeez_: I do some work on qt4-maemo |
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| 13:40.57 | talig | Hi everyone, anyone with some gtk/pygtk experience? I need some help :) |
| 13:41.03 | jeez_ | fiferboy: oh, nice :) so, I'm building Qt here |
| 13:41.11 | jeez_ | using some of your patches |
| 13:41.29 | jeez_ | (the ones for Gl) and using "your configure" |
| 13:42.08 | fiferboy | jeez_: Where is the problem? |
| 13:42.47 | jeez_ | when I try to use graphicssystem opengl I just get "Unable to load graphicssystem "opengl"" |
| 13:43.00 | jeez_ | fiferboy: ^ |
| 13:43.10 | fiferboy | jeez_: This is when you are running a program using the libraries you just built? |
| 13:43.24 | jeez_ | yes |
| 13:43.47 | fiferboy | And there were no issues with applying the patches or the compile? |
| 13:44.11 | jeez_ | I applied tha patches myself, manually |
| 13:44.20 | jeez_ | and, well, no problems at all |
| 13:44.48 | fiferboy | Okay, and you are running in what environment? Fremantle in the SDK? |
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| 13:45.22 | jeez_ | fiferboy: yes |
| 13:45.50 | jeez_ | and in a omap3, also |
| 13:46.09 | fiferboy | I've never tried running Qt 4.6 or Qt with opengl |
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| 13:46.24 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 13:46.32 | fiferboy | You could try asking on the qt4-maemo mailing list, I know Antonio on that list has run opengl Qt |
| 13:46.39 | timeless_mbp | jeez_: do you actually have a working opengl omap3? |
| 13:46.51 | jeez_ | yes |
| 13:46.53 | jeez_ | fiferboy: ok |
| 13:47.05 | jeez_ | can I find antonio on irc ? |
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| 13:47.13 | fiferboy | But AFAIK the patches have never been used for qt 4.6 |
| 13:47.26 | lbt | fremantle Qt has opengl enabled |
| 13:48.18 | jeez_ | that is other thing that I need to talk to someone from qt-maemo |
| 13:48.18 | fiferboy | lbt: Does Antonio frequent any channels in IRC? |
| 13:48.18 | lbt | rarely |
| 13:48.18 | jeez_ | =/ |
| 13:48.18 | lbt | he's gnuton when he's around |
| 13:48.18 | fiferboy | ~seen gnuton |
| 13:48.21 | infobot | gnuton <n=Tonio@kde/developer/aloisio> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 44d 4h 31m 38s ago, saying: 'se'. |
| 13:48.27 | jeez_ | well, here is exactly what I did |
| 13:48.35 | fiferboy | lbt: Rarely indeed! |
| 13:49.30 | jeez_ | I got qt 4.6 from master, applied the patch 103 (the hunks that were not there yet), used qt-maemo configure without the -hildon option, and used the mkspecs config file for opengl-es2 |
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| 13:49.49 | jeez_ | the result of this can be found on a repository on gitorious |
| 13:50.08 | fiferboy | jeez_: What is the error when you try to run opengl as the graphicssystem? |
| 13:50.09 | lbt | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-maemo-developers/qt/qt-maemo/blobs/maemo-build-fremantle/debian/rules#line114 |
| 13:50.18 | jeez_ | Unable to load graphicssystem "opengl" |
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| 13:50.41 | talig | jeez_ , fiferboy - any gtk experience? I have a bug I can't trace :( |
| 13:51.02 | jeez_ | talig: no, sorry =/ |
| 13:51.10 | jeez_ | lbt: yes, I'm using that |
| 13:51.15 | fiferboy | talig: I've done some Gtk, but I am by no means an expert |
| 13:51.23 | jeez_ | the configure options are the same |
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| 13:51.40 | talig | Thanks, jeez_. fiferboy - it's probably silly: I can't restore the window after I minimize it... ideas? |
| 13:51.55 | fiferboy | talig: In maemo on the device? |
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| 13:52.50 | talig | fiferboy - yes... |
| 13:52.59 | jeez_ | lbt, fiferboy: so I should try talking to Antonio Aloisio ? |
| 13:53.13 | fiferboy | talig: Is there an icon in the task area? |
| 13:53.24 | talig | fiferboy - Yup, got icon. |
| 13:53.37 | fiferboy | talig: And clicking on it does nothing? |
| 13:54.15 | talig | fiferboy: It opens the window, but only the first time. After you minimize it - it does nothing. |
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| 13:57.54 | fiferboy | talig: Do you have a dbus service for your program? |
| 13:58.28 | talig | fiferboy - I don't think so. I mean, in any case not explicitly. |
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| 13:58.57 | fiferboy | talig: Any code in your program that executes on minimize/restore? |
| 13:59.49 | talig | fiferboy: No, I didn't find which events/signals need to be connected to do that. |
| 14:00.11 | fiferboy | jeez_: I think that would be a good idea |
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| 14:01.18 | fiferboy | talig: http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node7.html |
| 14:01.51 | fiferboy | talig: Have you looked at the GUI application part of this document? |
| 14:02.33 | talig | fifer - I have |
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| 14:03.17 | fiferboy | talig: Hmmm, so you have a pretty straightforward program that doesn't want to restore the second time it is minimized? |
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| 14:04.47 | Jaffa | talig: When you say "[the icon] opens the window the first time". fiferboy meant: "Once you start the application from the menu, do you get an icon and entry in the switcher/task area which is inoperative after you minimise the program?" |
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| 14:05.43 | talig | fiferboy: Exactly, not the second time it's minimized, the first. It actually starts in the minimized form. just a toolbar icon... |
| 14:06.09 | Jaffa | talig: It starts minimised? |
| 14:06.24 | fiferboy | Jaffa: Good catch |
| 14:06.50 | talig | Jaffa: I don't start the application from the menu, I start it from the xTerm. Then I get no window, no entry in the switcher/task area, just the icon in the toolbar. |
| 14:07.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fvwm-osso-xterm.png |
| 14:07.15 | Jaffa | talig: Do you set any weird Gtk+ property to start it minimised? Or is that accidental? |
| 14:07.25 | talig | When I click the icon, the window opens. But then if I minimize it - it's lost (though the icon remains in place, process running, etc...) |
| 14:07.36 | qwerty12_N810 | talig: do you have a StartupWMClass field in your desktop file? |
| 14:07.57 | fiferboy | talig: Do you mean the statusbar area at the top of the desktop? |
| 14:08.00 | Jaffa | bets if you can find why your app is starting minimised, you can probably fix why it doesn't unmimimise after explicitly minimising it |
| 14:08.02 | talig | Jaffa : Not at all. It's just that the "activate" is connected to the icon. |
| 14:08.23 | talig | qwerty - huh? I don't have a desktop file. |
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| 14:08.34 | talig | fiferboy: exactly. |
| 14:08.44 | fiferboy | talig: There is a weird "feature" of hildon |
| 14:08.51 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: That's the Mer UI using fvwm rather than Matchbox? |
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| 14:09.11 | Jaffa | talig: Oh, so it's not a normal app - it's a status bar thing? |
| 14:09.14 | fiferboy | With gtk statusbar apps, You have to click the statusbar icon to minimize, then the taskbar entry (which you don't have) to get it to go away |
| 14:09.21 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yup |
| 14:09.33 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Nice. |
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| 14:09.43 | fiferboy | talig: Does clicking the icon several times after it disappears make any different? |
| 14:09.48 | talig | fiferboy: I don't want the icon to go away |
| 14:09.49 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I'd love to be able to see the pic but browser-proxy is fucking up ATM |
| 14:10.14 | fiferboy | talig: It shouldn't go away, but there may be a problem with not having a desktop file |
| 14:10.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, brave new technology |
| 14:10.41 | fiferboy | talig: I think Hildon requires one to keep the application running, especially when hidden by the statusbar |
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| 14:11.08 | talig | fiferboy : After the window disappears, you mean? No, it's not doing anything. About the requirement: That's good, I need it to keep running. |
| 14:11.09 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I should just add Tear support directly into XChat |
| 14:11.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Not like I use the POS MicroB anymore. |
| 14:11.44 | ShadowJK | microb is superior for pr0n |
| 14:12.17 | fiferboy | talig: Try adding a desktop file and executing through that. It should give you a taskbar icon (on the side) when the program is shown, and it should go away when hidden by the statusbar |
| 14:12.40 | talig | fiferboy: I'll give it a go, thanks. |
| 14:15.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Nice. Have you tried it with any Xlib/SDL apps? |
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| 14:17.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: not yet |
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| 14:21.21 | Macer | hm |
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| 14:23.32 | jeez_ | is repository.maemo.org facing problems right now ?! I'm having "Failed to fetch" when trying to update and it is also taking soooo long |
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| 14:40.18 | RST38h | No new tear lately? |
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| 14:53.22 | jeremiah | jeez_: "Failed to fetch" might be a reflection of a particular mirror's problem, not _necessarily_ repository.maemo.org. |
| 14:53.38 | Stskeeps | morning jeremiah |
| 14:53.55 | jeremiah | Hey Stskeeps! |
| 14:54.04 | Stskeeps | feeling better yet? |
| 14:54.09 | jeremiah | I saw you gave your talk already at debconf9 |
| 14:54.21 | jeremiah | (Yes, I'm feeling better, thank you. :) ) |
| 14:54.29 | jeremiah | How did your talk go? |
| 14:54.39 | Stskeeps | yeah, it went .. alright, it was a bit hurted by the fact there was no projector and i didn't prepare enough :) |
| 14:54.59 | Stskeeps | and the room was 35C+ ;) |
| 14:55.12 | jeremiah | Yeah, I heard it has been warm there. |
| 14:55.16 | jeremiah | Really warm. |
| 14:55.52 | Stskeeps | ah, it's not -that- bad, but the BoF room is hell. :P |
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| 14:55.58 | jeremiah | Well, I'm really glad you gave the talk. I hope you present at FOSDEM next year, and if you don't I am happy to give your presentation (if no one else wants to do it.) |
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| 14:57.03 | jeremiah | I think videos from debconf9 are meant to show up here: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/pub/debian-meetings/2009/debconf9/ |
| 14:57.14 | jeremiah | Not much there now. |
| 14:57.33 | Stskeeps | yeah, i wasn't recorded by video team, but some of the openmoko/tuxbrain guys did |
| 14:58.10 | jeremiah | Awesome. |
| 14:58.39 | jeremiah | There is going to be a Tuxbrain-like company opening in Gothenburg, Sweden soon. |
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| 14:59.26 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 14:59.26 | Stskeeps | brb |
| 15:06.41 | RST38h | ...the Foxconn worker who apparently committed suicide after an iPhone prototype went missing. As compensation, his family has been paid about $44,000, and his girlfriend received an Apple laptop. |
| 15:07.18 | jeremiah | RST38h: But Foxconn still think he stole it. |
| 15:07.22 | jeremiah | Fascists. |
| 15:08.13 | RST38h | jeremiah: And he did not? |
| 15:10.02 | jeremiah | Well they haven't found it yet - so who knows. |
| 15:11.00 | aquatix | who wants to have an iphone anyway :/ |
| 15:11.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Why would anyone take their life over one? |
| 15:11.31 | Myrtti | it would probably spin nicely in truth or dare game |
| 15:11.35 | RST38h | wonders if they have done body cavity search |
| 15:11.44 | Myrtti | probably there's an app to put a picture of a bottle on it too |
| 15:12.19 | RST38h | Why wouldn't a real bottle do? |
| 15:12.29 | Myrtti | if the kids don't have a bottle? |
| 15:12.32 | VDVsx | I doubt he stole it, otherwise he wouldn't commit suicide :), by the logic |
| 15:13.04 | RST38h | VDVsxL Faulty logic |
| 15:13.32 | RST38h | VDVsx: My logic says he felt guilty and committed suicide because of that =) |
| 15:15.42 | VDVsx | RST38h, but if he stole it and sell it, probably earned a lot of money, why commit suicide ? lol |
| 15:15.57 | VDVsx | stupid guy, probably |
| 15:16.11 | RST38h | VDVsx: He may not have sold it (or we would know already from the happy buyer) |
| 15:16.38 | RST38h | Either way, it is just a silly piece of PCB with some chips on it and a shiny shell |
| 15:16.53 | RST38h | Not sure why obsess over it so much |
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| 15:18.11 | VDVsx | RST38h, he can sold it to one of rip-off chinese company's :P |
| 15:18.35 | RST38h | VDVsx: And? |
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| 15:18.53 | coldboot | He can indeed sold it. |
| 15:18.59 | RST38h | VDVsx: You really think a Chinese company can't produce another iPhone-looking piece of junk without looking at the real thing? =) |
| 15:19.04 | coldboot | He can then has many money. |
| 15:19.42 | VDVsx | RST38h, no, they can produce everthing |
| 15:20.01 | RST38h | Exactly |
| 15:20.03 | VDVsx | even space shuttles , lol |
| 15:20.09 | slonopotamus | dsme often does open("/tmp/cal.mtd1.lock", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) but closes it immediately (it accesses CAL area after lock file was closed). does anyone see any logic in it? |
| 15:20.18 | RST38h | VDVsx: almost real ones, too =) |
| 15:20.28 | coldboot | They also instained milk that killed their babbys. |
| 15:20.52 | RST38h | Better ponder on the fact that Apple is going to release its tablet just when Nokia is planning ot release N9x0 |
| 15:21.02 | RST38h | September-November |
| 15:21.04 | Robot101 | slonopotamus: entertaining misunderstanding of the point of lock files? :) |
| 15:21.52 | slonopotamus | Robot101, could be. i wonder whether it'll behave adequately if i open lock by myself. |
| 15:21.54 | RST38h | slono: the presense of this file may act as a lock by itself |
| 15:21.57 | VDVsx | RST38h, anyway, without SW the iphone is just piece of junk (and with is the same :P) |
| 15:22.04 | RST38h | slono: does it delete the file afterwards? |
| 15:22.40 | slonopotamus | RST38h, it doesn't create it nor delete. just open then close. |
| 15:23.05 | RST38h | slono: It does create it - notice O_CREAT |
| 15:23.46 | slonopotamus | RST38h, hmmm... show it to me :) i don't see it anywhere |
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| 15:24.24 | RST38h | slono: In your open(...) line it will create the file if it is not yet created |
| 15:24.38 | RST38h | slono: then try opening it in exclusive mode and fail if it has already been open |
| 15:24.56 | RST38h | ok, time to go home |
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| 15:27.39 | slonopotamus | RST38h, `find / -name cal.mtd1.lock` didn't find it. i'm doing smth wrong? |
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| 15:28.23 | talig1 | Q: Anyone knows why when I create a debian package for my application it says: Incompatible Package? [I'm in red pill mode] |
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| 15:29.14 | talig1 | I followed this howto: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html |
| 15:29.19 | slonopotamus | talig1, 'it'? |
| 15:29.21 | Andy80 | hi all |
| 15:29.28 | qwerty12_N810 | talig1: Section has to be something in user/ |
| 15:29.33 | qwerty12_N810 | ~package-categories |
| 15:29.33 | infobot | i guess package-categories is http://wiki.maemo.org/Package_Categories |
| 15:29.47 | Andy80 | I'm getting this error, trying to start Xephyr on my Ubuntu 9.04: http://pastebin.com/m64da3aed |
| 15:29.56 | Andy80 | anyone have any idea? |
| 15:30.11 | talig1 | qwerty - could you elaborate? |
| 15:30.31 | fiferboy | talig1: What do you have for the category in your debian/control file? |
| 15:31.02 | talig1 | slonopotamus - 'it' - the application manager, the internet tablet - choose whatever suits you. |
| 15:31.41 | fiferboy | talig1: Try putting "user/desktop" in your "category" section in debian/control |
| 15:31.41 | slonopotamus | talig1, does your packkage install with apt-get? |
| 15:33.18 | talig1 | fiferboy - thanks, trying. |
| 15:33.39 | fiferboy | lbt: Are you still working on OBS? |
| 15:33.50 | lbt | nods |
| 15:34.05 | lbt | bash runs.. :) |
| 15:34.19 | fiferboy | Real bash? |
| 15:34.48 | lbt | yeah |
| 15:34.58 | lbt | all that work and now bash runs ! |
| 15:35.20 | fiferboy | That's really the pinacle of all acheivement |
| 15:35.49 | lbt | bows |
| 15:36.10 | Myrtti | EMACS FOR MAEMO! that's a real GOAL to be achieved |
| 15:36.12 | Myrtti | hides |
| 15:36.38 | Myrtti | surely someone has done it already, though? |
| 15:36.57 | jeremiah | Yes, emacs has been ported I think, somewhere |
| 15:37.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep, there's a Garage project. Not Hildonized, however. |
| 15:37.10 | jeremiah | It is the only ONE TRUE EDITOR. |
| 15:37.24 | fiferboy | Hildonizing emacs sounds like a job for qwerty... |
| 15:37.36 | lbt | has it on Mer |
| 15:38.02 | qwerty12_N810 | fiferboy: vim user :P |
| 15:38.03 | lbt | little do you know that Mer 1.5 will be ported to lisp |
| 15:38.10 | Myrtti | can I haz mah pink-bliss.el? |
| 15:38.13 | Myrtti | ⥠|
| 15:38.14 | fiferboy | lbt: Is it... mer-in-ized? |
| 15:38.22 | fiferboy | qwerty12_N810: Me too :) |
| 15:38.51 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, why did you CC quim on 4831? |
| 15:38.51 | Myrtti | vim pft |
| 15:39.04 | timeless_mbp | andre__: random act of violence :) |
| 15:39.06 | timeless_mbp | ignore it |
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| 15:41.33 | talig | fiferboy: tried, installed (thanks!) - but no icon anywhere :( Can't run it... |
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| 15:42.23 | fiferboy | talig: Do you install the desktop file to /usr/share/applications/hildon? |
| 15:42.41 | fiferboy | talig: And icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/hildon? |
| 15:43.51 | talig | fiferboy: I followed the howto: http://test.maemo.org/platform/docs/python-bora/python_maemo_howto.html |
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| 15:44.13 | fiferboy | talig: Are you running Diablo on your device? |
| 15:44.22 | talig | fiferboy - indeed. |
| 15:45.06 | fiferboy | talig: Is your desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon on the device? |
| 15:46.23 | talig | fiferboy: Nope. I'll have to figure out what does wrong in the packaging process, I guess... |
| 15:47.00 | fiferboy | talig: If you use an archiver to open the deb file you can look at the contents of the tarballs inside |
| 15:47.42 | talig | Fiferboy: Thanks yet again |
| 15:47.54 | fiferboy | talig: No problem |
| 15:50.37 | lbt | Myrtti: jeremiah: http://imagebin.ca/view/AtBxx5.html |
| 15:50.53 | Myrtti | ooo purty |
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| 15:51.31 | lbt | no v-keyboard ... but this is emacs... just looking is enough |
| 15:52.01 | qwerty12_N810 | Tried the GTK emacs? It may do VKB |
| 15:53.18 | lbt | hmm |
| 15:53.30 | jeremiah | sopi: Are you around? |
| 15:53.45 | jeremiah | sopi: I need to install some perl modules on garage. |
| 15:53.49 | sopi | yes, i'm here. |
| 15:54.26 | sopi | jeremiah: should be fine. |
| 15:54.31 | jeremiah | sopi: Is it alright to install three perl modules on garage? They are small and it shouldn't impact any other process. :) |
| 15:54.46 | jeremiah | sopi: Cool. I'll do it now and tell you how it goes. . . |
| 15:54.58 | sopi | jeremiah: yes, nothing in GForge works with perl. thanks for letting me know. |
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| 16:02.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: your patch to compile Tear under Mer is in the Tear SVN now |
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| 16:03.31 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: have you managed to get audio working on any Mer thing? |
| 16:03.34 | talig | fiferboy: Ok, it installed and I have the icon, but it doesn't run :'( Any idea where I should look? |
| 16:03.37 | timeless_mbp | wants to consider making a cp for it |
| 16:03.39 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: thanks |
| 16:03.52 | fiferboy | talig: Does it run from the terminal? |
| 16:04.27 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: just ALSA on a tablet using the dsp-modules from diablo and the tablet-sound package |
| 16:04.43 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: does that honor the nokia sound settings? |
| 16:05.23 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: No, because Nokia's stuff is closed and I don't see why anyone would want to use it TBH... |
| 16:05.30 | timeless_mbp | ok :) |
| 16:05.35 | timeless_mbp | does alsa have its own settings? |
| 16:05.44 | timeless_mbp | i'm just trying to pick something to do |
| 16:05.49 | timeless_mbp | how about "date and time" ? |
| 16:05.59 | Stskeeps | date and time is open afaik, johnx was a bit on it but he's busy |
| 16:07.57 | timeless_mbp | ok, zenity make a calendar easy |
| 16:08.01 | timeless_mbp | looks for a time picker |
| 16:08.32 | timeless_mbp | zenity doesn't seem to do time input :( |
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| 16:08.46 | flexxxv | someone on? |
| 16:08.49 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 16:08.51 | Myrtti | sudo make me a manicure |
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| 16:09.32 | flexxxv | :P Anybody knows were to find high resulution n800 shematics? |
| 16:09.51 | timeless_mbp | google |
| 16:09.51 | qwerty12_N810 | They don't exist on the internetz :( |
| 16:09.56 | flexxxv | I cant read the text here:http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ |
| 16:10.03 | flexxxv | :( |
| 16:10.11 | Stskeeps | get better glasses? :P |
| 16:10.18 | flexxxv | dont think so |
| 16:10.36 | flexxxv | i need some higher dpi |
| 16:10.40 | flexxxv | :D :D :D |
| 16:12.03 | qwerty12_N810 | Know a worker at a local authorized Nokia center that is partial to bribery? |
| 16:12.12 | flexxxv | how about level 4&5 manuels |
| 16:12.14 | flexxxv | no |
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| 16:13.10 | timeless_mbp | nokia has an official policy against bribery :) |
| 16:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... you're not supposed to get caught? |
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| 16:13.38 | flexxxv | :-O |
| 16:13.40 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: if it works as well as their one against leaks... :P |
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| 16:14.29 | timeless_mbp | well, the last time i saw a presentation on the policy, it was buggy |
| 16:15.23 | flexxxv | still hoping for a new stylus for my n800 here in Germany... |
| 16:15.45 | flexxxv | my local store cant get one |
| 16:15.56 | flexxxv | :-/ |
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| 16:16.53 | flexxxv | maybee I should open a thread in the forum for request, mybee someone have :D |
| 16:18.09 | flexxxv | and maybee I should ask him:http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=446 (today on hackaday) |
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| 16:21.41 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 16:22.19 | timeless_mbp | mer doesn't include curl |
| 16:22.31 | timeless_mbp | does python include an http library? |
| 16:22.38 | mgedmin | yes, three of them, at least |
| 16:22.43 | timeless_mbp | 3?! |
| 16:22.47 | mgedmin | for getting files, urllib or urllib2 is best |
| 16:22.51 | mgedmin | for raw http, there's httplib |
| 16:23.02 | mgedmin | urllib2 has fancy features like supporting cookies and http auth |
| 16:23.12 | timeless_mbp | i want to download a fixed url into a string (not to a file) |
| 16:23.18 | timeless_mbp | i only need a tiny part of that file |
| 16:23.32 | mgedmin | a_string = urllib.urlopen('http://www.example.com/').read() |
| 16:24.14 | mgedmin | if it's a huge file and you need a tiny part, there's a way to supply a Range: http request header somehow |
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| 16:24.38 | timeless_mbp | i don't really know the range, the file is http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_UTC.aspx |
| 16:24.53 | mgedmin | are you reinventing ntpdate? |
| 16:25.18 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 16:25.23 | mgedmin | okay |
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| 16:25.49 | mgedmin | a regexp would be quickest, maybe |
| 16:26.01 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'd rather make a rdate call or something |
| 16:26.11 | timeless_mbp | rdate? |
| 16:26.24 | mgedmin | there are many http and xml parsers available for python; they deal with ill-formed real-world html with various levels of success |
| 16:26.34 | Stskeeps | http://www.oreillynet.com/linux/cmd/r/rdate.html |
| 16:26.56 | Stskeeps | ar, no, time.nist.gov doesn't do rdate anymore |
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| 16:30.41 | flexxxv | I hava an other question: If i have inserted a internal sd in my n800 on startup i cant acces (the cards shows up emty), but if i remove, close the case, open again and put the card again I can access without problems. Only the internal slot has that kind of probs... (I think it is a software problem). I reay dont want to reflash because everyhing else is just working perfekly |
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| 16:32.21 | qwerty12_N810 | flexxxv: My N800 started to exhibit the same behaviour after inserting a dodgy SD in the external slot. Reflashed, and it still does it. I just live with it, thankful that the slot still works :) |
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| 16:33.59 | timeless_mbp | actually, i'm not sure that's really so important right now |
| 16:34.08 | timeless_mbp | the bigger problem is that i can't find any easy way to make a time widget |
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| 16:37.41 | wazd_n800 | now it's my turn to ride the train |
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| 16:47.19 | flexxxv | qwerty good that you tell me so I'm not going to try this :D (I am very happy with the current setup) but I realy would like to know why this is going on! |
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| 16:50.40 | thux | ot does any pc lap have backlight keyboard like macbook suppose to have? |
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| 16:53.48 | wazd_n800 | vaio's |
| 16:54.09 | thux | thanks |
| 16:54.56 | wazd_n800 | better buy macbook and install win/lin =) |
| 16:55.20 | wazd_n800 | It would be cheaper for US |
| 16:56.02 | thux | oh is vaio that expensive |
| 16:56.49 | wazd_n800 | yep, but their design is much less bpring than macbook's |
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| 17:24.04 | jeez_ | fiferboy, lbt: ok, now I'm testing your fremantle packages. After installing libqt4-gui, core and opengl from extras-devel (4.5.2) all I got when running a example with "graphicssystem raster" is: "./collidingmice: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/qt4/plugins/graphicssystems/libqglgraphicssystem.so: undefined symbol: _ZN17QGLGraphicsSystemC1Ev" |
| 17:24.34 | fiferboy | jeez_: This is in scratchbox? |
| 17:24.46 | jeez_ | well, and for installing libqt4-opengl I had to add the Nokia binaries repository so I could install libgles2 |
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| 17:24.52 | jeez_ | fiferboy: yes, and also in the omap3 |
| 17:25.36 | fiferboy | jeez_: What cpu-transparency method are you using in scratchbox? |
| 17:26.23 | jeez_ | fiferboy: qemu-arm-sb |
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| 17:27.13 | fiferboy | jeez_: Try using qemu-arm-cvs-m |
| 17:27.37 | fiferboy | jeez_: That makes a difference for me in compiling Qt in scratchbox, but if you already got it compiled it might not change things for you |
| 17:27.53 | jeez_ | yes, I managed to compile it |
| 17:28.02 | jeez_ | and now I'm trying qt-maemo packages |
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| 17:29.07 | fiferboy | jeez_: Ah. Again I have never run opengl or fremantle binaries |
| 17:29.15 | fiferboy | jeez_: Did you manage to get a hold of Antonio? |
| 17:29.24 | jeez_ | no, I didn't |
| 17:29.32 | jeez_ | well, maybe is time to mail him |
| 17:29.39 | jeez_ | thanks fiferboy |
| 17:30.24 | fiferboy | jeez_: I know Antonio has been running the fremantle binaries |
| 17:31.16 | jeez_ | lbt: what about you ? |
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| 17:32.42 | lardman | hey javispedro |
| 17:32.53 | javispedro | helo |
| 17:33.17 | coldboot | How would I change libqtgui4's debian package dependency? I made a 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 version, but I want it to depend on 4.5.0-1maemo2 instead of 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 |
| 17:33.26 | coldboot | I know how to do it manually. |
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| 17:35.12 | javispedro | btw, lardman, do you have a 770? |
| 17:35.16 | fiferboy | coldboot: In debian/control there is a ${binary:Version} variable, I think that controls it |
| 17:35.18 | lardman | yes I do |
| 17:35.48 | javispedro | did you try the whole experiment on it? |
| 17:36.02 | lardman | no, I was testing on the n800 iirc |
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| 17:37.02 | javispedro | just curious; being an older device it may have a more complete implementation of dbx |
| 17:37.42 | lardman | javispedro: I'll certainly have a look, but probably not for a couple of days I'm afraid |
| 17:38.09 | javispedro | don't worry :) |
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| 17:46.11 | lardman | hmm, not sure my scratchbox messing about has worked too well, reboot time |
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| 17:49.21 | slonopotamus | i officially hate autotools. checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no |
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| 17:51.20 | mgedmin | :) |
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| 17:51.45 | mgedmin | there is one Python package that actually uses a bit of *fortran* in the sources |
| 17:51.53 | mgedmin | I don't remember which one --- matplotlib perhaps? |
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| 17:52.41 | slonopotamus | mgedmin, that doesn't explain why every f*cking package searches for it. oh, and 32768 commandline args |
| 17:53.01 | slonopotamus | and grep that handles long lines and -E switch |
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| 17:53.53 | slonopotamus | i had a wonderful time trying to compile gnu grep in busybox environment. its configure script wanted gnu grep. |
| 17:55.29 | mgedmin | :) |
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| 18:05.11 | lcuk | besty place to get a car charger from? |
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| 18:36.53 | RST38h | Oh, no.... it is starting the INTERnet! |
| 18:37.02 | RST38h | (DECnet has been started a while ago) |
| 18:37.39 | Stskeeps | you're putting up a VAX or? :P |
| 18:39.20 | RST38h | yep |
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| 18:59.53 | esaym153 | ugh, where are some n810's in stock at besides ebay |
| 18:59.54 | jhford | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.24 | mgedmin | there's a shutdown screen? |
| 19:01.29 | mgedmin | never shuts his n810 down |
| 19:01.39 | esaym153 | mgedmin: sell me your n810 |
| 19:01.43 | vasily_pupkin | ololo! |
| 19:01.51 | toggles_1 | yeah, min needs rebooting daily |
| 19:01.56 | vasily_pupkin | max(uptime)=5d |
| 19:01.57 | vasily_pupkin | :D |
| 19:02.05 | RST38h | that's about right |
| 19:02.11 | mgedmin | point |
| 19:02.15 | LinuxCode | mine dies every so often, as it runs out of power hehe |
| 19:02.17 | RST38h | runs out of battery pretty fast, but I found it is due to wifi |
| 19:02.22 | qwerty12_N810 | "-> 1 4 days, 22:16:33 | Linux 2.6.21-omap1 Wed Jul 22 21:43:48 2009" |
| 19:02.27 | mgedmin | rebooting I do |
| 19:02.38 | RST38h | never need to reboot though |
| 19:02.56 | toggles_1 | qwerty12_N810: cat /etc/*elease* |
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| 19:03.01 | RST38h | have to kill browserd processes every now and then |
| 19:03.15 | mgedmin | charges his every night, except the day before yesterday when he forgot and the n810 was dead in the morning |
| 19:03.26 | qwerty12_N810 | toggles_1: diablo |
| 19:03.34 | toggles_1 | qwerty12_N810: traitor! |
| 19:03.34 | RST38h | Fuck, it is one of the MOV* instructions |
| 19:03.41 | jhford | is there a way that I can access the raw mtd devices on the n810 without the os being on |
| 19:04.10 | lcuk | im sure a hammer and chisel could give required access |
| 19:05.54 | jhford | :( |
| 19:06.21 | jhford | when i press the shut down button, the question about whether i want to turn off the device uses GTK plain (win95 style) buttons |
| 19:07.02 | Stskeeps | installed powerlaunch or something? |
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| 19:10.02 | jhford | i don't care what it looks like (they are automated, no humans use them) i just want to make sure that it isn't broken |
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| 19:13.13 | lcuk | jhford, working for skynet? |
| 19:13.21 | jhford | haha |
| 19:13.21 | jhford | now |
| 19:13.23 | jhford | *no |
| 19:13.42 | lcuk | how come humans dont use them? |
| 19:13.50 | lcuk | and it does beg the question of who does use em |
| 19:14.01 | lcuk | and whether they would care if the buttons are themed |
| 19:14.08 | jhford | automated performance testing |
| 19:14.29 | jhford | i dont care that the buttons are themed, i care that there might be something wrong with my rootfs image |
| 19:15.25 | lcuk | i cant say ive ever noticed, i always just press the button till it shutsdown |
| 19:15.53 | mgedmin | what kind of firmware do you have? |
| 19:16.08 | mgedmin | the power menu on stock os2008 is definitely themed like the rest of the UI |
| 19:21.05 | lcuk | jhford, is your testing anything like this: http://conversations.nokia.com/rugged/ |
| 19:21.35 | jhford | no, unfortunately :P |
| 19:25.32 | javispedro | do they want me to believe that a "little" phone like that on the video can survive a golf club? |
| 19:26.13 | javispedro | i've seen balls crushed |
| 19:27.12 | Stskeeps | my n810 can certainly take a severe beating |
| 19:27.13 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:28.09 | javispedro | Stskeeps, I've recently discovered why Apple tends to talk about their "MagSafe" so much |
| 19:28.16 | javispedro | my N810 helped a lot on that "research" |
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| 19:29.02 | lcuk | the golf club one isnt so extreme |
| 19:29.23 | lcuk | it depends on the angle of attack |
| 19:29.24 | jhford | he didnt whack into it hard enough |
| 19:29.48 | lcuk | still.. an iphone would shatter - there has to be similar forces there to dropping from desk |
| 19:29.56 | RST38h | javispedro: where have you seen balls crushed? is there a video? |
| 19:30.06 | javispedro | RST38h, personal experience ;) |
| 19:30.08 | mgedmin | NO! |
| 19:30.10 | lcuk | RST38h, specialist BDSM websites |
| 19:30.12 | RST38h | oh. sorry. |
| 19:30.21 | mgedmin | I'm in the middle of "nokia phone versus X" and suddenly "youtube is down for maintenance" |
| 19:30.26 | javispedro | joking |
| 19:30.29 | lcuk | hah! |
| 19:30.36 | lcuk | its a google conspiracy! |
| 19:30.39 | RST38h | lcuk: Naah, the accidentality of it is what I am looking for =) |
| 19:31.01 | lcuk | javispedro, you took far too long to mention experience |
| 19:31.12 | lcuk | err joking |
| 19:32.03 | mavhc | iphone is for people who a) want a smartphone they can use or b) want to go where all the apps are |
| 19:32.27 | javispedro | Nokia phone vs YouTube |
| 19:33.04 | lcuk | mavhc but there are rebels in the force! |
| 19:33.05 | RST38h | mavhc: iphone is shiny. |
| 19:33.09 | mgedmin | iphone is for people who have a poor saving throw against shiny |
| 19:33.16 | lcuk | people are not entirely happy with apples tight reign on their devices |
| 19:33.24 | RST38h | mgedmin speaketh the truth |
| 19:33.38 | lcuk | likes shiny stuff :) |
| 19:33.43 | mgedmin | I think only the requirement of having iTunes to activate one saved me from getting one |
| 19:33.43 | lcuk | and slidey stuff |
| 19:33.48 | mgedmin | iTunes doesn't run on Linux |
| 19:34.05 | lcuk | activate in store :) |
| 19:34.16 | mavhc | activate and use |
| 19:34.42 | mavhc | there are 2 kinds of people: those who think error messages aren't detailed enough, and those who just don't read them, iphone is for the 2nd group |
| 19:34.55 | RST38h | Buy and jailbreak immediately |
| 19:35.21 | javispedro | wtf |
| 19:35.26 | lcuk | jailborkened loses itunes support doesnt it |
| 19:35.31 | javispedro | 3 meters and the iphone shits itself? |
| 19:35.34 | RST38h | lcuk: Who cares? |
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| 19:35.41 | lcuk | people who buy iphones lol |
| 19:35.54 | lcuk | they didnt mostly buy it to hack with it |
| 19:35.57 | mavhc | does it break the app store? |
| 19:35.59 | RST38h | iTunes is another corporate toilet plunger they try to stick into you |
| 19:37.10 | lcuk | better to be the plunger than the plungee |
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| 19:42.18 | RST38h | lcuk: With iTunes, you are the plungee. |
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| 19:47.45 | mavhc | still, better for most people |
| 19:48.10 | RST38h | People who are stupid enough to organize their mp3 files |
| 19:48.52 | lcuk | nothing wrong with it |
| 19:49.02 | lcuk | people like order and arranging things |
| 19:49.12 | lcuk | and everyone has their own favorite way :) |
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| 19:49.27 | mavhc | seems like there's 3 classes of users: ones who buy a computer managed by a company, eg iphone, ones who want root access, and ones who get their computer managed by their friend who has root |
| 19:49.30 | lcuk | its just like books or real albums and collections of all sorts :) |
| 19:49.50 | RST38h | why do you need to manage computer at all? |
| 19:49.56 | mavhc | because you want root |
| 19:50.05 | RST38h | lcuk: I can do it without itunes |
| 19:50.08 | lcuk | whats root? |
| 19:50.34 | mavhc | you can't do anything you want and have it managed, without pay a lot anyway |
| 19:51.55 | RST38h | really? |
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| 19:52.11 | mavhc | most people shouldn't have root on their computers, they'll just screw them up, get viruses, etc |
| 19:52.46 | lcuk | 0thank god windows doesnt come with root! i would be worried about gettin a virus |
| 19:53.18 | mavhc | thanks for ignoring the point |
| 19:53.36 | lcuk | just a min ago you said you wanted it |
| 19:53.39 | lcuk | then you changed mind |
| 19:53.50 | mavhc | iphone you can only install approved apps, no viruses, auto updates, etc |
| 19:54.03 | wazd_n800 | thanks to dumb win developers that can't code their shit properly so it's not working without root. |
| 19:54.11 | mavhc | I want it, I don't want the rest of my family to have it, they're not computer experts |
| 19:55.26 | lcuk | how would you decide whether to give someone root or not |
| 19:55.56 | mavhc | they decide by installing linux instead of iphone os |
| 19:56.15 | lcuk | so root users arent allowed any shiney things |
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| 19:56.31 | lcuk | what if theres an app on itunes to show uptime |
| 19:56.37 | lcuk | or one to give ls directories |
| 19:56.44 | lcuk | or running apt for you |
| 19:56.50 | mavhc | be more generic |
| 19:56.57 | mavhc | iphoneos is an example |
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| 19:57.18 | lcuk | at what level do YOU need root - and could it be supplied by pretty app within iphone/maemo |
| 19:57.22 | lcuk | so you dont need root |
| 19:58.00 | lcuk | different people have different expectations of the backend |
| 19:58.11 | lcuk | some folks think just having a terminal window is hardcore |
| 19:58.14 | wazd_n800 | to root or not to root... |
| 19:58.18 | RST38h | having root isn't really necessary |
| 19:58.40 | RST38h | and not having root does not mean some company should be permanently watching over your device |
| 19:58.48 | lcuk | agreed |
| 19:58.53 | mavhc | 99% of people don't need, and shouldn't have, root on their computer, because it breaks things, gives you viruses, etc |
| 19:58.59 | lcuk | maemo is a prime example |
| 19:59.08 | RST38h | Most network routers live all their lives without anyone rooting them |
| 19:59.09 | lcuk | majority of users never have to gainroot |
| 19:59.30 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, unless it's google :) |
| 20:01.03 | RST38h | Google has no access to my machine either |
| 20:01.17 | RST38h | No Picasa. No Google stripbar..errr...searchbar |
| 20:01.26 | mavhc | no using google.com |
| 20:01.36 | RST38h | using google.com is ok |
| 20:01.39 | lcuk | thats not "inside" the machine |
| 20:01.51 | mavhc | what about evil cookies! |
| 20:01.58 | lcuk | om nom nom |
| 20:02.01 | RST38h | whatever I entrust to google.com I do not much care about |
| 20:02.03 | lcuk | got any milk? |
| 20:02.13 | esaym153 | I got balls of steel |
| 20:02.37 | RST38h | do they make good cowbells? |
| 20:02.39 | mavhc | how do you reproduce? |
| 20:02.39 | wazd_n800 | I hate google update, which stays on your PC after uninstalling google earth and any google software |
| 20:02.50 | mavhc | google update or google updater |
| 20:02.59 | RST38h | wazd: I removed it manually |
| 20:03.02 | lcuk | i'm guessin iron filings |
| 20:03.10 | RST38h | took some effort but it is gone now |
| 20:03.54 | mavhc | google updater is a package manager for windows |
| 20:04.01 | wazd_n800 | dunno exactly, justidle process working on my machine all the time, waitingfor it's time xD |
| 20:04.14 | mavhc | google update is a scheduled task to update chrome and stuff |
| 20:04.25 | mavhc | update is open source |
| 20:04.50 | RST38h | whatever it is, open or closed, it is cancer |
| 20:05.04 | mavhc | which and why? |
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| 20:05.25 | RST38h | anything that runs in the background not doing useful work should be killed |
| 20:05.44 | mavhc | it does useful work, it updates apps |
| 20:05.55 | RST38h | I did not ask it |
| 20:06.01 | RST38h | And I have all the apps uninstalled |
| 20:06.23 | mavhc | so uninstall it |
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| 20:07.31 | mavhc | in theory it'll keep software updated even though noone with root logs in, which is good |
| 20:08.03 | RST38h | Sorry, I do not want stray processes "updating" apps |
| 20:08.12 | qwerty12_N810 | and it runs as SYSTEM? |
| 20:08.19 | RST38h | If an app wants to update itself, let it check for updates on startup and ask me |
| 20:08.37 | mavhc | so package management is a bad idea? every app should check for updates itself? |
| 20:08.50 | RST38h | On windows yes |
| 20:08.53 | mavhc | why? |
| 20:09.10 | RST38h | Linux runs system wide package update manager every now and then |
| 20:09.20 | mavhc | also selecting an infected pfd file can infect you without loading acrobat |
| 20:09.42 | RST38h | What does it have to do with the topic? |
| 20:10.14 | RST38h | Returning to our sheep, I see no difference between Google applications and Google Update |
| 20:10.45 | RST38h | So from my point of view, Google installs an app that runs in background for no good reason |
| 20:10.53 | RST38h | And I want it gone. Period. |
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| 20:13.26 | mavhc | which app? |
| 20:13.54 | RST38h | Google Updater |
| 20:14.00 | RST38h | Or Update, whatever |
| 20:14.06 | mavhc | they're completely different |
| 20:14.19 | RST38h | If either of them runs in background, I want it gone. |
| 20:14.22 | vasily_pupkin | what you are talk about? |
| 20:14.42 | RST38h | vasily: mavhc is trying to persuade me that Google is running background processes for my own good |
| 20:14.44 | mavhc | google update is a scheduled task, and uninstalls itself, and is open source, so that's fine |
| 20:14.58 | RST38h | vasily: I am saying that I want this crap gone. |
| 20:15.01 | vasily_pupkin | oh shi |
| 20:15.18 | mavhc | google updater is a package management system that has an uninstall item on the start menu, so that's fine |
| 20:15.49 | vasily_pupkin | i think we need remove GU and install dpkg there :D |
| 20:16.11 | RST38h | Well, as long as software updates are done by the system itself, it is ok |
| 20:16.33 | RST38h | But various apps running self-update background processes are a cancer |
| 20:16.37 | mavhc | apt-win |
| 20:17.00 | mavhc | so you'd want one app to update everything, say googleupdater.exe |
| 20:17.00 | vasily_pupkin | self-update is pagan magic |
| 20:17.09 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: Agreed. Ever encountered Adobe Updater BTW? That one starts up with any Adobe product you run |
| 20:17.26 | mavhc | good thing too, adobe software is full of holes |
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| 20:17.29 | RST38h | qwerty: Yes, I usually kill it in the registry |
| 20:17.43 | sneakret | Seems off-topic for #maemo. |
| 20:18.00 | qwerty12_N810 | sneakret: Welcome to #maemo. |
| 20:18.00 | mavhc | having a pdf on your system without running it can infect you, thanks adobe |
| 20:18.04 | RST38h | sneakret: Would you rather have us discuss the latets n9x0 tablet from Nokia? |
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| 20:18.13 | RST38h | Oh...wait...it is not out yet... |
| 20:18.21 | mavhc | or the latest OS update from nokia |
| 20:18.40 | RST38h | mavhc: having a file on my system that isn't being opened or executed cannot infect me. |
| 20:18.42 | RST38h | Period. |
| 20:18.49 | vasily_pupkin | latest - as of end of last year? )) |
| 20:19.15 | RST38h | vasily: No, the very latest update that finally makes Modest and MicroB usable! |
| 20:19.15 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, google runs hidden background process for your own good. Obey or die :) |
| 20:19.15 | vasily_pupkin | holy shit! |
| 20:19.20 | mavhc | RST38h: it's opened by explorer, which is dll linked to acrobat for extented info |
| 20:19.20 | RST38h | wazd: I prefer self-surgery |
| 20:19.21 | vasily_pupkin | is that possible? O_O |
| 20:19.39 | RST38h | vasily: no. |
| 20:19.49 | vasily_pupkin | yeh ^_^ |
| 20:25.42 | Jaffa | lcuk: ping |
| 20:26.23 | lcuk | \o |
| 20:26.54 | slonopotamus | â¢Î⢠|
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| 20:27.32 | wazd_n800 | â¥â¤ |
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| 20:47.43 | jhford | does anyone have a good guide for setting up mmc booting available |
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| 20:50.47 | talig | Anybody had any experience with packaging python to .deb packages? [for Maemo Diablo]? |
| 20:51.40 | lcuk | jhford, on the maemo wiki |
| 20:52.01 | lcuk | talig, khertan has an on maemo python packaging tool |
| 20:52.12 | jhford | lcuk: thanks |
| 20:52.21 | talig | lcuk: khertan? |
| 20:53.21 | talig | lcuk: Thanks. Googled, downloading. let's see what gives |
| 20:56.05 | talig | lcuk: I'm on Khertan's website. It looks like the tool is gone :( |
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| 21:09.29 | lcuk | talig, i see your woes |
| 21:09.35 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/PyPackager |
| 21:09.38 | lcuk | https://wiki.maemo.org/Py2deb |
| 21:10.36 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pypackager/ |
| 21:11.28 | jeremiah | talig: Hi there. :) |
| 21:11.46 | jeremiah | talig: Can I help you with specific packaging problems? |
| 21:12.19 | talig | lcuk - thanks! :) |
| 21:12.42 | talig | jeremiah: I've been trying to package some application and the packaging is somewhat inadequate. |
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| 21:15.52 | talig | lcuk: the packager only works on the device. I suppose nothing that works on a host, command line or from scratchbox without transparency, eh? |
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| 21:24.49 | talig | lcuk: Installation fails :( It says it can't get the package. "Application package not found." |
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| 21:38.31 | talig | help :'( |
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| 22:02.38 | jeremiah | talig: You still around? |
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| 22:13.30 | karatchov | hello |
| 22:14.07 | karatchov | plz, someone can recommend which version of scratchbox to start with ? |
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| 22:15.03 | karatchov | I'm new to both, sb1 seems te be well documented |
| 22:15.11 | lardman | can Python classes have internal class definitions? |
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| 22:15.37 | lardman | karatchov: probably whichever one is recommended on the Maemo SDK page would be the best beyt |
| 22:15.43 | nomis | lardman: what are internal class definitions? |
| 22:15.55 | lardman | nomis: my made up word :) |
| 22:16.03 | lardman | can I have a class that has another class inside it |
| 22:16.18 | nomis | mhm. |
| 22:16.22 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: WRT zbar, have you seen its configure.ac? Search for PYTHON_LIBS... |
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| 22:16.43 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: no, but I will take a look, thanks |
| 22:17.01 | talig | jeremiah, lcuk : Anyone able to help with a packaging problem? |
| 22:17.24 | nomis | lardman: it seems to work. |
| 22:17.25 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: I think that sem_post rubbish may have confused it though |
| 22:17.39 | lardman | nomis: ah, I should just have tried myself then I suppose |
| 22:17.41 | VDVsx | lardman, nested classes ? sure search for metaprogramming |
| 22:17.55 | nomis | lardman: http://pastebin.com/m662d5ff6 |
| 22:17.59 | lardman | VDVsx: yeah |
| 22:18.13 | lardman | nomis: thanks |
| 22:18.18 | karatchov | sb1 is the official recommended one for Diablo-dev, sb2 seems to be solve many of sb1 problems |
| 22:18.47 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: your build fails because the configure.ac doesn't run python-config --libs and sub the output into the PYTHON_LIBS var |
| 22:18.55 | qwerty12_N810 | -.ac |
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| 22:19.14 | VDVsx | lardman, you can use metaclasses or normal nested classes :) |
| 22:19.33 | blassey | jeremiah: ping? |
| 22:19.52 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: Like I said, that sem_post stuff means nothing as the cflags from that command got included fine |
| 22:20.11 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: ok, thanks |
| 22:20.30 | lardman | VDVsx: over my head, just learning as I go along :) |
| 22:21.09 | VDVsx | lardman, it's easy to catch :P |
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| 22:23.14 | VDVsx | g'night all :) |
| 22:23.27 | lardman | night VDVsx |
| 22:25.41 | talig | Helo |
| 22:26.05 | talig | Hello everyone, does anyone know if there's a problem installing a package meant for chinook on diablo? |
| 22:31.53 | javispedro | talig: probably depends on the package dependencies; e.g. installing a package depending only on glibc should work |
| 22:32.36 | javispedro | your best bet is to try it, since chinook and diablo are similar |
| 22:32.41 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: weird that PYTHON_LIBS is not set in there |
| 22:33.25 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: I know, that's what I thought when I saw it as I don't see why one would set PYTHON_CFLAGS and not the LIBS |
| 22:33.28 | jeremiah | blassey: Hello |
| 22:33.39 | lardman | ah well :) |
| 22:33.42 | jeremiah | talig: Hello - here I am, you disappeared. |
| 22:34.40 | blassey | jeremiah: hi there, we're trying to sort out how to do localizations for fennec |
| 22:34.45 | blassey | with the debian packaging |
| 22:34.50 | jeremiah | blassey: okay |
| 22:34.58 | jeremiah | Have you looked at .po files? |
| 22:35.15 | jeremiah | I'm not saying that is the solution, but it is pretty widespread in debian. |
| 22:35.23 | blassey | no, can you point me at some documentation? |
| 22:35.40 | jeremiah | BTW, pretty interesting article on Mozilla and Google in the NY Times recently. |
| 22:35.49 | jeremiah | runs off to find docs for po files |
| 22:35.56 | blassey | yea, that was a good read |
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| 22:36.20 | jeremiah | http://www.debian.org/international/l10n/po-debconf/README-trans |
| 22:36.33 | jeremiah | ^^ That ought to get you started. |
| 22:36.33 | blassey | ahh, thanks |
| 22:36.40 | jeremiah | blassey: Cheers. |
| 22:36.43 | blassey | I'll take a read through that |
| 22:36.51 | blassey | might ping you again tomorrow with questions |
| 22:37.28 | jeremiah | blassey: I am hacking code at the moment, so I often get lost and forget to show up on IRC |
| 22:37.50 | jeremiah | blassey: Feel free to email me regarding maemo / debian packaging at jeremiah @ maemo.org |
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| 22:37.58 | jeremiah | Or ping me here. |
| 22:38.03 | jeremiah | You too talig! |
| 22:38.06 | jeremiah | :) |
| 22:38.13 | blassey | jeremiah: mind if I put you in the CC on our packaging bugs? |
| 22:38.22 | jeremiah | blassey: Please do. |
| 22:38.27 | blassey | thanks |
| 22:38.32 | jeremiah | No promises that I will fix them. :) |
| 22:38.38 | jeremiah | But I might be able to help. |
| 22:38.56 | blassey | even if you could pipe up to say "hey you're being idiots" it would be helpful |
| 22:39.51 | jeremiah | blassey: I doubt I'll ever say that. =) |
| 22:40.06 | mozPike | jeremiah: hi there. I'm Axel, and among other things, l10n@mozilla.com. I'm based in Berlin, so I might poke you at daytime :-) |
| 22:40.39 | jeremiah | mozPike: He Axel - how goes it? |
| 22:41.21 | jeremiah | s/He/Hey/ |
| 22:41.24 | mozPike | jeremiah: "late", but good. You're jeremiah [at] jeremiahfoster.com on our bugzilla, right? |
| 22:41.34 | jeremiah | mozPike: Yes - that's me. |
| 22:42.33 | jeremiah | Feel free to use that or jeremiah [at] maemo.org for any packaging questions. |
| 22:42.45 | talig | Jeremiah: Me too what? :) |
| 22:43.12 | jeremiah | talig: Well, feel free to contact me at jeremiah [at] maemo.org with packaging questions. |
| 22:43.15 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: well after fixing that, or at least thinking I have by setting the env var through configure, it now can't find python.h. Great! ;) |
| 22:43.23 | jeremiah | But since we're both here now . . . |
| 22:43.43 | jeremiah | It looks like you were trying to install a chinook package on diablo |
| 22:43.47 | jeremiah | talig: Is that right? |
| 22:44.03 | talig | Jeremiah: Thanks :) The pypackager i was recommended before |
| 22:44.11 | talig | It has no diablo version. |
| 22:44.19 | jeremiah | Really? |
| 22:44.25 | jeremiah | I didn't know that. |
| 22:44.28 | talig | it installed ok, but the package it created is not working :( |
| 22:44.39 | jeremiah | But I recommend building packages by hand the first time. |
| 22:44.43 | jeremiah | Its easier. |
| 22:44.51 | jeremiah | s/Its/It's/ |
| 22:44.55 | talig | Yup. No diablo version, and you can't download it anywhere but the repository for chinook |
| 22:45.02 | jeremiah | Yuck. |
| 22:45.08 | talig | Jeremiah: I already tried that path |
| 22:45.08 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: check your methods ;). It doesn't seem like a hard configure.ac to modify and then autoreconf anyway |
| 22:45.17 | jeremiah | talig: What errors did you get? |
| 22:45.26 | talig | Sadly, may hand-made packaged were not more successful. |
| 22:45.30 | jeremiah | talig: First, what are you packing? |
| 22:45.39 | jeremiah | Something from debian or ubuntu? |
| 22:45.45 | jeremiah | Or something you have written. |
| 22:45.47 | mozPike | jeremiah: CCed you on the bug. blassey hinted that you're in europe, too? Mind if I ping you tomorrow for some insight? I know a good deal about how we do l10n and build, but sorry little about deb packaging |
| 22:45.54 | lardman | hmm, python-config isn't on the path now apparently |
| 22:45.55 | talig | Jeremiah: No errors, it just doesn't run. Python application I wrote |
| 22:46.11 | jeremiah | mozPike: Yeah, I am in CET, so you can ping me tomorrow. |
| 22:46.35 | mozPike | cool, thanks so much |
| 22:46.45 | jeremiah | I will be watching lots of debconf9 proceedings and doing a little hacking, so I may not be so responsive on IRC, but I'll try to check in! |
| 22:47.14 | jeremiah | talig: Hmmm. How are you calling it? |
| 22:47.16 | talig | Jeremiah: A few .py scripts. if I run it from the xterm it works fine, but I can't minimize the application (meaning, I can, but it won't let me restore it) - it's gtk/hildon. |
| 22:47.59 | jeremiah | talig: Okay, so you're packaging a python script as a hildonized gtk app? |
| 22:47.59 | talig | Jeremiah: If however I try either of my packages, looks like the installation is a total flop, and files do not end up where they should be :( |
| 22:48.22 | talig | jeremiah: I suppose that would be the non-english name for what I'm doing, yes ;) |
| 22:48.23 | jeremiah | talig: Are you specifying where they should end up in debian/rules? |
| 22:48.52 | talig | Jeremiah: I tried. I generally followed this howto http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/documentation/pymaemo_tutorial/python_maemo_howto.html#link22 |
| 22:48.53 | jeremiah | heh, I'll try to stick to English. |
| 22:49.13 | talig | jeremiah: It's ok :) I speak russian and hebrew, if it helps in any way ;0 |
| 22:49.16 | talig | ;) |
| 22:49.20 | jeremiah | Loads talig's link |
| 22:49.42 | jeremiah | talig: Sorry, no Russian or Hebrew. :( |
| 22:50.00 | talig | Jeremiah: Then English it is :) |
| 22:50.20 | jeremiah | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 22:50.35 | jeremiah | ^^ The above link is the canonical source for packaging for debian. |
| 22:50.40 | javispedro | ^^ the bible |
| 22:50.47 | jeremiah | But we can do a couple short cuts perhaps. |
| 22:51.06 | javispedro | either way it's a recommend read, it made me understand lots of things |
| 22:51.16 | qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: canonical? Isn't that your enemy? :P |
| 22:51.33 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: right, sorted thanks. Now onto the next question, which is how to get the lib packaged - I guess I need to do some copying and pasting inside the debian dir so it knows what to do |
| 22:51.34 | javispedro | and it's still on my bookmarks.... great as a reference too |
| 22:51.47 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Touche! |
| 22:52.03 | talig | Jeremiah, I'm currently on GMT+1, so I'll read it tomorrow, and for now I'm all ears for shortcuts :) |
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| 22:53.28 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: Or should I say, touché? |
| 22:53.41 | jeremiah | talig: Sounds good. :) |
| 22:53.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Either one goes, I'm not one for accents :P |
| 22:54.09 | talig | Jeremiah: :) |
| 22:54.11 | jeremiah | talig: If you can boil down concrete problems, it helps me. |
| 22:54.35 | jeremiah | That is to say, if you can find exactly what is going wrong, it is easier for me to help you. |
| 22:54.58 | jeremiah | But I realize that this is a difficult process and it is hard to know exactly whats going on. |
| 22:55.14 | jeremiah | In any case, be assured that if you can program, you can make a good package. |
| 22:56.30 | talig | jeremiah: Ok, so my original problem was the minimization issue |
| 22:57.37 | talig | Jeremiah: Then I was told I need to have a .desktop file so that it will be properly supported, and so I generally started in writing a .desktop file and ended with deciding that I want to package my application. |
| 22:59.10 | talig | Jeremiah: Then I went through the howto I linked you to, and ended up with a package that installs but doesn't run: namely, if I click the icon in the extras, it does nothing. |
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| 23:00.25 | jeremiah | talig: Well, it sounds like one problem might be a packaging problem, but the other problem might be with your .desktop file |
| 23:01.02 | jeremiah | The minimization problem is not a problem in the packaging, at least that I am aware of. |
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| 23:01.18 | jeremiah | It sounds more like a hildonization problem. |
| 23:01.28 | jeremiah | Or an X window problem. |
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| 23:02.31 | talig | Jeremiah: Yeah, I figured the packaging wouldn't solve the minimization problem :) |
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| 23:02.55 | talig | Jeremiah: But now that I started on the packaging, I'd like to get it to install properly :/ |
| 23:05.35 | jeremiah | talig: What errors are you getting when you try to install? |
| 23:06.05 | talig | Jeremiah: no errors, nothing happens. If i look in /usr/bin I don't see my files :( |
| 23:06.27 | jeremiah | Can you paste you debian/rules file? |
| 23:06.56 | talig | certainly. Where do I paste? I'll flood the channel if I paste here... |
| 23:08.04 | jeremiah | Some kinda paste bot like thing. |
| 23:08.12 | talig | Jeremiah: Personal messages ok? |
| 23:08.13 | jeremiah | I'll find an URL |
| 23:08.19 | jeremiah | Sure. |
| 23:08.35 | jeremiah | ooops |
| 23:08.38 | nomis | http://pastebin.com |
| 23:08.40 | nomis | eh. |
| 23:08.47 | qwerty12_N810 | I was about to say that I wouldn't recommend that for that exact reason. |
| 23:08.52 | Myrtti | *snerk* |
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| 23:09.02 | nomis | talig: http://pastebin.com |
| 23:09.03 | qwerty12_N810 | ~pastebin |
| 23:09.04 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 23:09.13 | jeremiah | Yeah, let's try pastebin |
| 23:09.25 | jeremiah | Myrtti: No snerking! |
| 23:09.26 | jeremiah | :) |
| 23:09.45 | talig | Jeremiah: http://pastebin.com/d1f8e0f5a |
| 23:10.48 | jeremiah | talig: Well, you've commented out dh_install |
| 23:10.55 | jeremiah | That is what installs your software. |
| 23:11.08 | jeremiah | So remove the comment on line 69 |
| 23:11.18 | jeremiah | And then test. |
| 23:11.46 | jeremiah | Also, uncomment line 76 which is dh_python |
| 23:12.01 | talig | Ok, testing. |
| 23:12.14 | jeremiah | dh_python is "debhelper python" and that should do some good things for python scripts. |
| 23:17.17 | talig | jeremiah: Installed, no icon :/ checking for /usr/bin |
| 23:17.34 | talig | nope |
| 23:19.25 | jeremiah | Is your software called pyprivacy? |
| 23:19.46 | talig | jeremiah: Aye. |
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| 23:23.58 | talig | Jeremiah, still there? |
| 23:24.37 | lardman | night all |
| 23:27.50 | jeremiah | talig: Yep. |
| 23:28.46 | talig | Jeremiah: Any ideas? :( Installation claims success, but no icon in the app list, and no file in the /usr/bin... |
| 23:29.34 | jeremiah | Well, I think we need to look at the build process, how are you calling the build? |
| 23:29.42 | jeremiah | Are you using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 23:29.59 | talig | yes. generally, everything is according to the howto |
| 23:30.28 | talig | I wasn't very creative in the build process :) |
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| 23:32.36 | talig | Jeremiah: I have a setup.py that's supposed to put everything in place, and a Makefile that wraps it. |
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| 23:34.01 | jeremiah | Okay. So it looks like we need to tell debhelper that we are using setup.py |
| 23:34.42 | jeremiah | talig: Can you paste your Makefile in paste bin? |
| 23:34.57 | talig | Jeremiah: Certainly. |
| 23:35.01 | jeremiah | cool |
| 23:35.39 | talig | http://pastebin.com/m39f16b88 |
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| 23:37.44 | chx | ok , so i bought or about to buy 32gb SD card (with the necessary cover/adapter) , a quality screenprotector (invisibleshield), external battery for the N810. What else can I buy for it :) ? |
| 23:38.44 | jeremiah | surfing pastebig |
| 23:38.54 | qwerty12_N810 | chx: ak-47 attachment |
| 23:38.55 | jeremiah | s/pastebig/pastebin |
| 23:39.05 | jeremiah | s/pastebig/pastebin/ |
| 23:41.48 | chx | qwerty12_N810: URL? What's an ak-47? |
| 23:41.48 | jeremiah | talig: I suspect what is the problem here is the Makefile specifies a build system (in this case setup.py) but the actual build tool (debhelper) does not use it. |
| 23:42.16 | jeremiah | talig: This is a bit complex. |
| 23:42.22 | javispedro | http://maemo.pastebin.com/ cool "private" pastebin |
| 23:42.35 | jeremiah | There are numerous build systems, and I think you are mixing them. |
| 23:42.38 | qwerty12_N810 | chx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47 |
| 23:42.43 | talig | Jeremiah: Sounds like something that will cause such a thing. |
| 23:42.45 | chx | oh |
| 23:42.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Sorry :P |
| 23:43.01 | chx | and what good would it make to attach the N810 to such a big unwieldy piece of metal? |
| 23:43.17 | jeremiah | So. I think we should sleep on this and take it up tomorrow. |
| 23:43.23 | jeremiah | talig: How does that sound to you? |
| 23:43.49 | jeremiah | I will look at some documentation on how to package python apps. (My speciality is really perl) |
| 23:44.09 | jeremiah | And we can take another shot at this tomorrow. |
| 23:44.21 | talig | Jeremiah: I'll take what you're willing to give. :) Sleep sounds appealing right now. |
| 23:45.08 | talig | Jeremiah: Thanks a bundle, good night and sweet dreams! Gnight all. |
| 23:45.19 | talig | is out. |
| 23:49.03 | chx | qwerty12_N810: more seriously |
| 23:49.19 | chx | qwerty12_N810: that full size SD adapter/cover have not occured me for months |
| 23:49.42 | chx | qwerty12_N810: so I am asking what other cool stuff is out there i have no clue of? i can only google stuff i know what. |
| 23:49.54 | chx | how do you google 'cool hardware for the n810' |
| 23:51.03 | chx | like http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260449899711QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090720?IMSfp=TL090720164006r16385 this :D |
| 23:51.12 | qwerty12_N810 | Have you looked in tmo's Accessories forum? I'm not one for accessories, personally, so I wouldn't know of anything myself, sorry |
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