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| 00:55.28 | jumentous | hi, i'm trying to develop a home applet using clutter-gtk, i'm new to both GTK and clutter, my applet is being loaded by hildon desktop however when the clutter widget is realized i get the assertion GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (widget) || GTK_IS_INVISIBLE (widget) failed |
| 00:56.06 | jumentous | my understanding is that this means that the container that is passed to plugin_init is not parented or some such |
| 00:56.49 | jumentous | however when i use a standard gtk widget instead of a clutter widget the show works fine |
| 00:57.11 | jumentous | so in: http://pastebin.com/d4ebbd363 the first section works while the second does not |
| 00:58.24 | jumentous | the clutter people said that this is likely to be to do with the way hildon attaches widgets to the home window. Can someone confirm/elaborate on this? |
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| 01:11.58 | tl | As far as i know every GtkWidget has "configure event",why i can't add configure event for my widget ? |
| 01:12.51 | tl | I have use function gtk_wiget_set_events to set configure event. |
| 01:13.31 | lcuk | jumentous, ask in the maemo developers mailing list, i think anyone that could know is asleep now |
| 01:13.41 | lcuk | same goes for you tl i think |
| 01:14.10 | tl | ok,thank you. |
| 01:17.41 | jumentous | ok |
| 01:17.46 | jumentous | thanks lcuk |
| 01:18.29 | lcuk | np, hope you get it sorted. are you designing specifically for maemo, or making a desktop widget too? |
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| 01:29.36 | lcuk | what d oyou do when you find some "wtf" pastebins? |
| 01:33.49 | jhford-work | what kind of stuff does R&D mode enable you to do? |
| 01:34.20 | lcuk | jhford-work, i think it allows all sorts of research and development stuff |
| 01:34.56 | jhford-work | thanks for expanding the acronym lcuk :D |
| 01:35.29 | lcuk | :D |
| 01:36.08 | lcuk | ive never needed it, i think you can disable the watchdog process and stuff with it |
| 01:36.35 | jhford-work | i was hoping that there was a way to get init messages instead of the nokia logo |
| 01:37.05 | lcuk | not by default i believe. the messages themselves aren't actually written behind i believe |
| 01:37.24 | jhford-work | gah, that would be too easy |
| 01:37.39 | lcuk | yeah i think you can in some way |
| 01:37.41 | jhford-work | we are getting into a lot of endless reboot cycles. we reboot the tablets a LOT |
| 01:37.56 | lcuk | what are you doing with them |
| 01:38.02 | lcuk | and do they lockup programs whilst running |
| 01:38.14 | jhford-work | performance test automation, we reboot at the end of the test for a clean slate |
| 01:38.18 | jhford-work | no lockup |
| 01:38.21 | jhford-work | we just reboot them |
| 01:38.54 | lcuk | what is being tested tho. is it switching on certain components |
| 01:40.42 | lcuk | ie, is there a pattern. does it occur more with certain tests through certain branches of the software. |
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| 01:43.43 | jhford-work | no, it is only an issue when the unit is rebooting |
| 01:43.58 | jhford-work | our script just runs "reboot" if i am not mistaken |
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| 03:01.45 | Macer | hm |
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| 05:23.52 | Macer | hm |
| 05:24.36 | Macer | what is the easiest way to use a vhost in apache to do a simple address redirection? |
| 05:25.36 | Macer | meaning if someone connexts to http://www.foo.org it will send them to https://www.foo.org |
| 05:36.19 | RST38h | When the first "wave" of the disease strikes its hosts, the host will sneeze, several blue sparks will fly from the host, and the host will transform into a chicken instantaneously. Most clothing dissapears as well, though particularly prominent pieces of clothing have been known to stay. |
| 05:36.23 | RST38h | Good morning all |
| 05:37.38 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 05:40.59 | Macer | Stskeeps: you have any direction as to how one would go about redirecting an http to https in apache? |
| 05:41.18 | Stskeeps | Redirect statement |
| 05:41.48 | Macer | so the whole vhost would be Redirect https://www.foo.com |
| 05:41.55 | Macer | and thats it? ;) |
| 05:42.08 | Stskeeps | no, redirect / https etc i think |
| 05:42.15 | Stskeeps | google a bit |
| 05:42.20 | Macer | i am |
| 05:42.29 | Macer | best i found was mod-proxy |
| 05:42.37 | Macer | mod_proxy |
| 05:42.47 | Macer | which i thought was overkill |
| 05:43.06 | Macer | i just need the browser to redirect to the https from http |
| 05:43.13 | Macer | to make things easier |
| 05:43.28 | Macer | i finally have wp going rather nicely |
| 05:43.45 | Macer | have to make the tech one tho |
| 05:44.11 | Macer | www.rancorous.net = testing... going to vhost tech.tancorous.n |
| 05:44.22 | Macer | tech.rancorous.net soon |
| 05:44.54 | Macer | wordpress is impressive for something that takes 2 mins to set up |
| 05:48.30 | Macer | <VirtualHost *> ServerAlias example.com Redirect permanent / http://www.example.com/ </VirtualHost> |
| 05:48.36 | Macer | oops |
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| 06:18.54 | xnt14[n810] | does anyone have a copy of /usr/share/applications/hildon/osso-xterm.desktop? |
| 06:19.21 | xnt14[n810] | was messing around with hildon and it disappeared :P |
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| 06:20.05 | qwerty12_N810 | http://pastebin.com/f7eb8d6d3 |
| 06:20.21 | xnt14[n810] | thank you! |
| 06:22.32 | xnt14[n810] | yay! it works again!!! |
| 06:22.36 | xnt14[n810] | :P |
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| 06:24.16 | xnt14[n810] | hmm |
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| 06:59.38 | Macer | hello? |
| 06:59.49 | Macer | Stskeeps: you still around? |
| 07:00.50 | Stskeeps | Macer: in train on tablet. going to spain |
| 07:01.42 | LinuxCode | Stskeeps, you go by train ;-O |
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| 07:01.52 | LinuxCode | feels for your behind |
| 07:01.58 | Macer | oh. never mind then |
| 07:01.59 | Macer | heh |
| 07:02.23 | Macer | can someone here test www.rancorous.net and tech.rancorous.net and see if they get to both? :) |
| 07:02.40 | LinuxCode | test how ? |
| 07:02.47 | Macer | just go to them in a web browser |
| 07:02.59 | Macer | if you have time to comment on the 1 post that is there too :) that would be awesome |
| 07:03.03 | Macer | after that i'm golden |
| 07:03.12 | LinuxCode | hold |
| 07:03.21 | Stskeeps | LinuxCode: 3hr train to airport, 3hr flight, 3hr train to caceres |
| 07:03.34 | LinuxCode | ohhhh |
| 07:03.36 | Macer | Stskeeps: what's in spain? |
| 07:03.45 | Macer | spanish women ? :) |
| 07:04.05 | Stskeeps | Macer: debconf9 |
| 07:04.20 | Macer | the secret lover you keep for 20 years until you enstranged wife finds out about her? |
| 07:04.24 | Macer | oh |
| 07:04.28 | Macer | nm then :) |
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| 07:06.07 | StsN810 | not really a guy who'd be capable of finding a lover ;). surprised enough i will be married |
| 07:06.12 | LinuxCode | Macer, there |
| 07:06.57 | LinuxCode | Macer, what for a blog is that ? |
| 07:07.16 | Macer | well. that's just one |
| 07:07.25 | Macer | tech.rancorous.net will be my tech one ;) |
| 07:07.33 | Macer | and www is going to be my political one |
| 07:07.34 | Macer | heh |
| 07:07.41 | Macer | US politics tho so most euros wouldn't care about it |
| 07:07.45 | LinuxCode | political lol |
| 07:07.49 | Macer | :) |
| 07:07.55 | Macer | i am going to start my first blog off with |
| 07:08.16 | Macer | why fascism would work if the fascist dictators of the past weren't evil men |
| 07:08.40 | Macer | BUT.. for now i'm working on getting wordpress installed on a few vhosts ;) |
| 07:08.49 | Macer | pretty awesome blog webapp |
| 07:08.49 | LinuxCode | does that apply to stalin too ? |
| 07:09.04 | Macer | well. stalin was communist. but i suppose he could be considered a fascist communist :) |
| 07:09.06 | LinuxCode | why men are evil ? |
| 07:09.07 | Macer | haha |
| 07:09.12 | Macer | no |
| 07:09.13 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 07:09.15 | Macer | more so towards hitler |
| 07:09.26 | Macer | and if people could look past the fact that he was an evil murdering bastard... |
| 07:09.33 | Macer | that they could see that there actually was some good done by him |
| 07:09.44 | Macer | and germany advanced rather quickly under fascist control |
| 07:09.47 | LinuxCode | well, hitler himself didnt make everything evil, it was his cronies too |
| 07:10.03 | Macer | i mean don't get me wrong |
| 07:10.14 | Macer | had he won i'd be sent to a slave/death camp due to my impure blood |
| 07:10.22 | Macer | but you have to give the man credit where it's due ;) |
| 07:10.25 | LinuxCode | it went that way, because Htler let them kill each other, survival of the fittest |
| 07:10.37 | LinuxCode | ehhh |
| 07:10.43 | Macer | well. hitler was also quite paranoid |
| 07:10.45 | LinuxCode | Macer, I dont think so |
| 07:10.50 | Macer | and constantly fighting off coups |
| 07:10.58 | LinuxCode | he deserves no credit for anything |
| 07:11.03 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 07:11.04 | Macer | lol |
| 07:11.07 | Macer | see |
| 07:11.16 | Macer | that is the closed mindedness that plagues everybody |
| 07:11.19 | LinuxCode | you are correct about his paranoia, thats why he let them beat each other instead of him |
| 07:11.26 | Macer | you never hear people saying such things about ghengis khan |
| 07:11.39 | Macer | :) who also killed by the millions |
| 07:11.40 | LinuxCode | Macer, I speak German, I grew up in Germany, I studied the subject more than most |
| 07:12.03 | LinuxCode | Macer, it wasnt the killing itself, it was the philosophy behind those killings and the methods |
| 07:12.16 | Macer | so killing isn't just killing? |
| 07:12.24 | LinuxCode | thats not what I meant |
| 07:12.32 | LinuxCode | and I didnt say that either |
| 07:12.35 | Macer | persian armies would go through killing people by the hundreds of thousands.. what makes them any different? |
| 07:12.49 | Macer | :) their idealogy was that the persian empire was the greatest |
| 07:12.52 | LinuxCode | they didnt create industrial killing machines |
| 07:12.59 | Macer | and they had every right to kill everybody in their path |
| 07:13.19 | Macer | LinuxCode: heh. yeahh i guess i can give you that much |
| 07:13.20 | LinuxCode | and use chemicals and develop chemicals to exterminate political and ethnic groups |
| 07:13.30 | LinuxCode | any killing is bad |
| 07:13.34 | Macer | LinuxCode: only because they lacked the chemistry knowledge ;) |
| 07:13.41 | LinuxCode | for ethnic, religious or other reasons |
| 07:13.58 | Macer | but see |
| 07:14.00 | LinuxCode | fact is, humans suck |
| 07:14.04 | Macer | people always fixiate on teh mass murders ;) |
| 07:14.11 | Macer | and not anything else that was done by hitler's germany |
| 07:14.12 | LinuxCode | bun ch of greedy mofos |
| 07:14.16 | LinuxCode | jealous |
| 07:14.18 | LinuxCode | etc.. |
| 07:14.23 | Macer | oh i agree |
| 07:14.28 | Macer | but once people hear hitler |
| 07:14.33 | Macer | the ythink anti-semetic |
| 07:14.33 | LinuxCode | Macer, ok, so what did Hitlers Germany do thats good |
| 07:14.42 | Macer | or they think "mass murderer" death camps |
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| 07:15.05 | Macer | LinuxCode: unified a country in the most horrible of economic states |
| 07:15.09 | LinuxCode | apart from rockets |
| 07:15.20 | Macer | went from a horrible economy to a huge worldwide industrial powerhouse |
| 07:15.30 | LinuxCode | Macer, they were in a horrible state because they were made to pay for their previous war |
| 07:15.33 | LinuxCode | which they started |
| 07:15.41 | LinuxCode | + it was the whole world in a slump |
| 07:15.45 | Macer | LinuxCode: true.. but. he still had to pull germany out of it ;) |
| 07:15.49 | LinuxCode | my grandad saled to Canada for that reason |
| 07:15.54 | suihkulokki | hitlers german was the first place where ecological conserveration and eco-laws were created ;) |
| 07:15.54 | LinuxCode | and couldnt get a job |
| 07:16.06 | LinuxCode | Macer, they borrowed money like idiots |
| 07:16.09 | Macer | suihkulokki: thanks for jumping in there ;) |
| 07:16.14 | suihkulokki | this gives a new sound to the word "ecofascist", right :) |
| 07:16.17 | LinuxCode | it was finanical wrangling |
| 07:16.22 | LinuxCode | after the war Germany had nothing |
| 07:16.24 | Macer | suihkulokki: haha |
| 07:16.28 | Macer | ecofascist! |
| 07:16.32 | Macer | hurry up and trademark it! |
| 07:17.03 | StsN810 | (C) greenpeace |
| 07:17.05 | LinuxCode | and 90% of how they paid for war efforts, which created all the jobs, was by stealing jewish propeties etc.. |
| 07:17.18 | LinuxCode | or of other groups |
| 07:17.23 | LinuxCode | Social Democrats etc.. |
| 07:17.38 | LinuxCode | they stole factories, even a condom manufacturer |
| 07:17.45 | Macer | LinuxCode: and from that nothingness.. a man worked his way into a political party... found a way to unify the nation.. and turned Germany from a disgustingly depressed economic civilization to a huge industrial powerhouse with the resources to fight almost the entire world at once |
| 07:18.04 | Macer | i mean he lost .. but they did put up a good fight :) |
| 07:18.08 | LinuxCode | Macer, assuming they wouldnt have invaded France etc.. |
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| 07:18.16 | LinuxCode | Germany would have gone bust after years |
| 07:18.20 | Macer | assuming they didn't attack russia actually ;) |
| 07:18.28 | LinuxCode | Macer, where do you get this idea that it was all great ? |
| 07:18.34 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 07:18.40 | LinuxCode | Macer, get your facts straight |
| 07:18.45 | StsN810 | hmm, MID could be Maemo Internet Device too |
| 07:18.49 | Macer | lol.. i don't.. i just get the impression that it was better than it was before the rise of nazi power |
| 07:19.04 | LinuxCode | Macer, well, it seemed "better", it wasnt really |
| 07:19.09 | LinuxCode | it was an illusion |
| 07:19.20 | Macer | well.. at least for the pure blood germans who supported the furer |
| 07:19.21 | Macer | heh |
| 07:19.21 | LinuxCode | + a lot of Germans were against hitler, but didnt dare to speak out |
| 07:19.26 | LinuxCode | due to the brown shirts |
| 07:19.31 | LinuxCode | you would get beat on the street |
| 07:19.35 | Macer | those damn brown shirts! :) |
| 07:19.38 | LinuxCode | maybe end up in a concentration camp |
| 07:19.46 | LinuxCode | Macer, PLEASE |
| 07:20.04 | Macer | but i am not interested in the cruelness of nazis |
| 07:20.17 | LinuxCode | some advice mate, get your facts from history books not the inet |
| 07:20.24 | RST38h | yawns |
| 07:20.25 | Macer | LinuxCode: i will try ;) |
| 07:20.36 | RST38h | Macer: Of course it was better than BEFORE the rise of nazi power |
| 07:20.45 | RST38h | Macer: Germany has just lost the WWI |
| 07:20.47 | Macer | but i'm not trying to think about the nazi cruelness. the goal will be to show what hitler's germany did that was good |
| 07:20.57 | RST38h | Macer: Just because it was "better" does not mean a thing |
| 07:21.01 | LinuxCode | Macer, PLEASE |
| 07:21.11 | LinuxCode | it seemed better, I told you that |
| 07:21.20 | Macer | SO.. Pandora :) how is that coming along? |
| 07:21.26 | LinuxCode | if it wasnt for that smartarse banker hitler made Finance Minister or whatever you may call it |
| 07:21.39 | LinuxCode | who fiddled the figures and found money to build motorways etc.. |
| 07:21.44 | LinuxCode | and arms factories |
| 07:21.53 | LinuxCode | which put people in jobs |
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| 07:22.05 | LinuxCode | they would have got kicked out by a revolt 3 years later |
| 07:22.30 | jjo | so, let's talk about religion next... |
| 07:22.36 | LinuxCode | jjo, no thanks |
| 07:22.48 | LinuxCode | I dont like Religions whatsoever |
| 07:22.48 | jjo | or editors ;) |
| 07:22.53 | LinuxCode | discuss.... |
| 07:22.55 | LinuxCode | without me |
| 07:22.57 | RST38h | is always willing to talk about the Tentacled One |
| 07:22.58 | StsN810 | bacon, anyone? |
| 07:23.17 | LinuxCode | just dislikes it when people claim Hitler did good |
| 07:23.18 | suihkulokki | lets make bacon out of the tentacled one |
| 07:23.23 | jjo | religion and politics, always good topics |
| 07:23.26 | LinuxCode | people who never properly looked into the history |
| 07:23.32 | LinuxCode | jjo, lol |
| 07:23.58 | RST38h | suihkulokki: http://www.e-blog.com.ua//data/storage/images/96414046e328b479d90694d6b05fc91e.jpg |
| 07:23.59 | jjo | editors, operating systems and programming languages also work among geeks |
| 07:24.10 | jjo | vim ftw btw |
| 07:24.15 | suihkulokki | jjo: i think we classify those religions |
| 07:24.46 | suihkulokki | :wq! |
| 07:24.55 | Macer | heh |
| 07:25.26 | Macer | 2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel |
| 07:25.33 | LinuxCode | RST38h, loool |
| 07:25.41 | LinuxCode | whats that ? tuna can ? |
| 07:25.48 | RST38h | Lithium batteries are good though |
| 07:26.06 | RST38h | Just imagine them rapturing when you drive your car into a lake. Instant coolness. |
| 07:26.53 | RST38h | Linux: The inscription on the can says "herring" |
| 07:27.05 | RST38h | Linux: But of caourse we know better =) |
| 07:27.18 | LinuxCode | haha |
| 07:27.20 | LinuxCode | herring |
| 07:27.29 | LinuxCode | no wonder the person took a pic |
| 07:27.33 | LinuxCode | brilliant mate |
| 07:28.34 | LinuxCode | [08:25] <Macer> 2nd one was going to be the hybrid car and how creating the lithium batteries probably adds more disgust into the earth's atmosphere than any types of fossil fuel |
| 07:28.39 | LinuxCode | probably got a point there |
| 07:28.48 | LinuxCode | would have ro research that |
| 07:28.50 | LinuxCode | to* |
| 07:29.05 | RST38h | Linux: We had a class back at the university (CHEM374? don't tremember) about this kind of stuff |
| 07:29.07 | LinuxCode | Macer, just please do me a favour, please research Germans history a bit better |
| 07:29.16 | LinuxCode | before you write something about it |
| 07:29.40 | LinuxCode | RST38h, about what exactly ? |
| 07:29.51 | LinuxCode | lithium in batteries ? |
| 07:30.07 | RST38h | Linux: Ecology impact of various technologies, with full technological cycles considered |
| 07:30.19 | LinuxCode | sounds interesting |
| 07:30.29 | LinuxCode | and what were the basic ideas ? |
| 07:30.53 | RST38h | Linux: The basic idea was that most of the stuff greens are telling you is wrong because it is shortsighted |
| 07:31.05 | LinuxCode | Id go along with that |
| 07:31.22 | RST38h | Linux: Once you consider total environmental impact, nuclear power wins by a huge margin for example |
| 07:31.34 | LinuxCode | We humans seem to think we know a lot, yet we know so little |
| 07:31.44 | LinuxCode | RST38h, well, Im pro fusion |
| 07:31.55 | LinuxCode | but thats expensive, and thats why Politicians dont like it |
| 07:32.11 | RST38h | Linux: no practical fusion based technologies yet, just fission based |
| 07:32.12 | LinuxCode | as it will take time and cost for the UK alone probably around 500 billion £ |
| 07:32.27 | LinuxCode | RST38h, yah, but if we hadnt dragged our feet |
| 07:32.36 | LinuxCode | maybe ITER would be up and running already |
| 07:32.37 | RST38h | Linux: Not known really |
| 07:32.43 | LinuxCode | and have been for 5-10 years |
| 07:33.00 | RST38h | Linux: Russians have been fiddling with Tokamaks for years, no success so far |
| 07:33.18 | LinuxCode | RST38h, many countries have, SOuth Korea , Germany, US , UK |
| 07:33.23 | LinuxCode | mnay more |
| 07:33.34 | LinuxCode | thats why everyone is froking money into ITER |
| 07:33.38 | LinuxCode | forking |
| 07:33.46 | RST38h | Linux: Does not mean it will succeed |
| 07:34.09 | RST38h | Linux: But even if it will, there is the heat pollution problem |
| 07:34.10 | LinuxCode | well, its the most prmising project yet |
| 07:34.40 | RST38h | Linux: When you make or spend electricity, lots of work goes into heating the atmosphere |
| 07:34.41 | LinuxCode | RST38h, im not a scientist in that field, but its our best hope |
| 07:34.59 | suihkulokki | greenpeace was distributing some spam here that the delay of the .fi nuclear plant is costing us "3billion eur" and that politicans are lying to us about nuclear costs |
| 07:35.18 | RST38h | Linux: So, no matter how you make it, with coal or nuclear power, you are still heating up your own atmosphere |
| 07:35.29 | LinuxCode | RST38h, could well be yes |
| 07:35.35 | LinuxCode | cooling water |
| 07:35.42 | LinuxCode | but then Im not a scientist in that field |
| 07:35.46 | LinuxCode | so who knows |
| 07:35.49 | suihkulokki | only problem.. that sum is from the fact that electricity is now more expensive than it would be if the nuclear plant was producing electricity to the grid now.. |
| 07:35.54 | LinuxCode | ;-} |
| 07:37.11 | LinuxCode | would love to be involved with iter |
| 07:37.22 | LinuxCode | that be an awesome project to be part of |
| 07:37.24 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 07:40.53 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:41.59 | suihkulokki | .oO( because of the resistance against building nuclear power, we have actually been buying nuclear electricity from russia ) |
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| 07:44.08 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:44.23 | StsN810_ | morning jaffa |
| 07:51.59 | Macer | LinuxCode: :) |
| 07:52.02 | Macer | www.rancorous.net |
| 07:52.02 | Macer | haha |
| 07:52.11 | Macer | have to work on research when i get the chance |
| 07:52.25 | Macer | wordpress is pretty awesome |
| 07:53.00 | RST38h | Macer: Read Fatherland by Harris when you get a chance |
| 07:53.44 | Macer | RST38h: ok. heh |
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| 07:54.11 | Macer | i promise i'll read it as soon as i get my touch book ;) |
| 07:54.17 | RST38h | hehe |
| 07:54.41 | Macer | in fbreader |
| 07:54.45 | Macer | with it attached to a metal place i put on my wall next to my bed |
| 07:55.03 | Macer | to stick its magnetized surface onto |
| 07:58.23 | mavhc | heating the atmosphere isn't a problem unless there's something trapping the heat |
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| 08:02.03 | RST38h | mavhc: Atmosphere is =) |
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| 08:14.24 | Macer | welp. overall i guess i can consider this apache+wordpress a success |
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| 11:11.40 | thopiekar | hi there. |
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| 11:12.17 | X-Fade | hi thopiekar |
| 11:12.28 | thopiekar | does somebody know how the url is to get maemo-mapper working with google maps? |
| 11:12.55 | thopiekar | maemo-mapper is just downloading old ones.. |
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| 11:13.04 | thopiekar | hi X-Fade |
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| 12:06.15 | Jaffa | danielwilms: ping |
| 12:06.34 | danielwilms | Jaffa: hi |
| 12:07.53 | Jaffa | danielwilms: Remember we were talking about a wiki page describing ways to write your app to save battery; I'd appreciate any thoughts you can get on whether using focus and is_topmost is an adequate way: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-July/019941.html - there doesn't seem to be a good way of getting notified when your app on Maemo goes into the background :-( |
| 12:08.11 | Jaffa | And (more importantly) when it comes back to the front again |
| 12:10.02 | danielwilms | Jaffa: ok...I will look again at it...the discussion proceeded quite ok in the list, so that I was not so active afterwards as so many are on vacations...I will write a mail here internally around point on your wiki page...would that be ok?!? |
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| 12:14.30 | Jaffa | danielwilms: Perfect. There could be a trick that I'm missing, and having something authoritative from the people trying to save as much battery as possible would help :) |
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| 12:16.10 | danielwilms | Jaffa: that's definitely important!!!! |
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| 12:55.04 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Also a good excuse to go to Amsterdam :) |
| 12:55.29 | X-Fade | Why else would one go there? :D |
| 12:55.45 | VDVsx | X-Fade, lolol, really true :) |
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| 13:36.29 | lcuk | Jaffa, alternatives to shorter battery life could involve, strategies for carrying car batteries, correct untangled looping of extension cables, angling of solar panels |
| 13:37.54 | lcuk | !!! we could even use, lemons pennies and nails! |
| 13:38.10 | lcuk | (mornin btw \o) |
| 13:38.30 | RST38h | potatoes work better |
| 13:38.44 | VDVsx | lcuk, or onion's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfPJeDssBOM |
| 13:39.22 | lcuk | VDVsx watching that vid made me cry :'( |
| 13:39.27 | VDVsx | ahahah |
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| 13:44.44 | lcuk | mmmm why doesnt this look right: http://topcultured.com/relationships/girlfriends-of-the-world-take-note/ |
| 13:47.35 | jaska | probably means she threw something important out or broke something |
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| 13:49.32 | bigglesworth | hi all |
| 13:49.40 | bigglesworth | need to get some help |
| 13:49.58 | bigglesworth | i have a 810 that I am trying to figure something out. |
| 13:50.26 | bigglesworth | I want to create an custom image |
| 13:51.17 | bigglesworth | but I don't know how to go about doing that. and I havent found any info on it |
| 13:54.20 | woglinde | for what? |
| 13:54.25 | woglinde | with the cam? |
| 13:54.29 | woglinde | background? |
| 13:54.34 | bigglesworth | for the 810 |
| 13:54.42 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 13:54.46 | bigglesworth | not a picture image |
| 13:54.55 | bigglesworth | its the firmware (what you flash) |
| 13:55.20 | woglinde | what you want to customize? |
| 13:55.48 | bigglesworth | i have various dependencies that need to be installed for my application to run |
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| 13:56.25 | bigglesworth | i want to modify the latest firmware to include these dependencies, so all i need to do is install my app |
| 13:56.49 | lcuk | bigglesworth, doesnt app manager ummmmmm manage to bring in dependencies |
| 13:57.47 | bigglesworth | ok... here is the situation. The company I work for uses the 810 and installs a particular application (created inhouse) and sells it to clients |
| 13:58.04 | woglinde | bigglesworth were is the problem? |
| 13:58.08 | bigglesworth | so what I would like to do is install everything except the application |
| 13:58.17 | woglinde | setup an inhouse debian-repos |
| 13:58.32 | woglinde | with all your deps |
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| 13:58.44 | woglinde | if they arent in offical repos |
| 13:58.47 | bigglesworth | and when they sell something all that needs to be done is flash with the custom image and then install tha pp |
| 13:58.48 | bigglesworth | app |
| 13:59.14 | X-Fade | A custom .install file can take care of that? |
| 13:59.18 | lcuk | bigglesworth, but the dependency problem is solved by app manager. woglinde just said it |
| 13:59.39 | lcuk | it sounds odd you are wanting all the hard work, AND THEN still wanting to install the app on its own |
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| 13:59.56 | bigglesworth | thats fine, but I dont want to have to connect to the internet or any network to download all of these dependencys |
| 14:00.04 | lcuk | if you were going to the trouble of making and maintaining a custom image wouldnt it be better to install your app as part of it? |
| 14:00.11 | lcuk | your customers will |
| 14:00.17 | lcuk | and what hapepns when they want to reflash |
| 14:00.25 | lcuk | will they get the nokiaupdater |
| 14:00.32 | lcuk | or bigglesworth updater |
| 14:00.32 | woglinde | bigglesworth you put a debian repos on sdcard too |
| 14:00.37 | woglinde | +can |
| 14:00.53 | bigglesworth | yeah but thats not what i am looking for |
| 14:00.53 | lcuk | woglinde o_O thats a neat solution |
| 14:00.58 | woglinde | maemo using apt |
| 14:01.02 | woglinde | and dpkg |
| 14:01.14 | woglinde | so sources.list can handle file |
| 14:01.18 | lcuk | thats a really cool one actually, cos a reflash doesnt destroy the mmc1 |
| 14:01.19 | qwerty12_N810 | bigglesworth: http://wiki.maemo.org/Modifying_the_root_image . (it will not make a bin, but, rather, a flashable jffs2 image which can only be flashed with flasher-3.0 under linux or flasher-3.5 beta under Windows) I've only ever made initfs jffs2 images and not rootfs images so I'm not the best person to ask for help |
| 14:01.22 | woglinde | isteand of http |
| 14:01.32 | woglinde | qwerty nah thats hell |
| 14:01.50 | bigglesworth | thats more of what I am looking |
| 14:01.58 | X-Fade | And redistributing nokia binaries is not allowed. |
| 14:02.15 | X-Fade | So that is not an option. |
| 14:02.31 | lcuk | not allowed to redistribute even if still part of the device itself? |
| 14:03.12 | X-Fade | lcuk: Well, if you don't transfer it out of the device, I think you are safe. |
| 14:03.20 | lcuk | mind you, taking the binaries off and fudging with them on servers isnt on the device itself |
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| 14:05.16 | SjB | has anyone got usb-audio to work with Diablo |
| 14:05.18 | bigglesworth | to make it simpler to understand, when you work in the IT department you usually have a basic image for windows for new employees with everything standard that an average employee would use |
| 14:05.28 | bigglesworth | thats what I wanna do with the 810 |
| 14:05.57 | X-Fade | bigglesworth: I think that should be ok. |
| 14:06.03 | lcuk | then the simplest is to obtain a stack of mmc cards, and set each device to "boot from mmc" |
| 14:06.11 | lcuk | just keep those updated with the latest live image |
| 14:06.13 | bigglesworth | not an option |
| 14:06.36 | lcuk | but a practical workable solution in most cases ;) |
| 14:06.58 | lcuk | that doesnt make you go up against everything, you can get image right on 1 device and copy to all you need |
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| 14:07.05 | X-Fade | bigglesworth: Why would your clients flash the device? |
| 14:07.11 | bigglesworth | yes, but from what I have read the device runs slow when booted from mmc |
| 14:07.26 | X-Fade | bigglesworth: Eh? It should be a lot faster. |
| 14:07.28 | qwerty12_N810 | eh? If anything, it's faster |
| 14:07.37 | bigglesworth | really |
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| 14:07.49 | lcuk | yeah :) |
| 14:07.54 | X-Fade | bigglesworth: A proper sd is a lot faster than the internal mmc. |
| 14:08.07 | bigglesworth | and if the mmc crashes then the stock image come back |
| 14:08.12 | lcuk | yeah |
| 14:08.14 | X-Fade | And when not using jffs2, you don't have to uncompress things. |
| 14:08.44 | bigglesworth | ok... that might be the option. i was under the impression it was much slower |
| 14:08.57 | woglinde | hm as I said |
| 14:09.00 | bigglesworth | but thats good.... how do i start doing this option? |
| 14:09.07 | woglinde | putting local repos on sd |
| 14:09.10 | qwerty12_N810 | ~boot-sd |
| 14:09.10 | infobot | hmm... boot-sd is https://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 14:09.37 | woglinde | so you can flash with official image |
| 14:10.23 | bigglesworth | ok thanks... i will definetly take a look at it. |
| 14:11.00 | bigglesworth | whats the best size sd to get for this? |
| 14:11.23 | lcuk | depends on whether you want more space or not |
| 14:11.38 | lcuk | 2gb is reasonable even now, half for os, half for any extra data |
| 14:11.42 | woglinde | 2 gig should be enough |
| 14:11.47 | bigglesworth | cool... |
| 14:11.47 | woglinde | and pricy |
| 14:12.14 | bigglesworth | have any of you guys done this process on vmware? |
| 14:12.24 | woglinde | what? |
| 14:12.28 | lcuk | bigglesworth, and you can keep customised cards around and just switch and reboot for them |
| 14:12.39 | bigglesworth | I have a vmware with maemo sdk and scratchbox |
| 14:12.41 | lcuk | old style amiga boot disks :D |
| 14:12.44 | qwerty12_N810 | Cloning to SD is done from a tablet. |
| 14:13.08 | lcuk | you get your tablet image "just right" with all apps you want. then clone that one |
| 14:13.17 | lcuk | you can rinse/repeat as often as you like |
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| 14:18.31 | coldboot | Where do the demos get made in the Qt build system? I can't find the word "qtdemo" in any build file, nor is there a Makefile generated in any *demo* directory... |
| 14:18.47 | coldboot | The build system for 4.5.0 fails non-deterministically, it's amazing. |
| 14:19.20 | fiferboy | coldboot: demos and examples, I think, are defined in the configure line in debian/rules |
| 14:19.37 | fiferboy | coldboot: Are you asking how to set it up so they don't build? |
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| 14:31.43 | coldboot | fiferboy: The stupid build system says it can't find debian/tmp/usr/bin/qtdemo and craps out every time. So I'm wondering how to manually build it. |
| 14:31.50 | coldboot | This build system is some serious shit. |
| 14:38.00 | fiferboy | coldboot: Does your debian/rules file have a variable in the config line for demosdir? |
| 14:40.09 | coldboot | fiferboy: /usr/lib/qt4/demos |
| 14:40.40 | fiferboy | coldboot: Okay, that's the same |
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| 15:00.09 | slonopotamus | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-binaries_explicit_armel/libcal-dev/0.2.5.m5/ how i download deb/tarball? |
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| 15:00.31 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: You don't. |
| 15:00.55 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: You need to get a key for these closed binaries. |
| 15:01.30 | slonopotamus | binaries? it's just header files |
| 15:01.48 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: It is still in the nokia binaries repository. |
| 15:02.19 | slonopotamus | how i get the key? |
| 15:02.33 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php |
| 15:03.24 | slonopotamus | 'Please add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox' |
| 15:03.35 | slonopotamus | i don't have scratchbox |
| 15:03.56 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Yes this is for the sdk. Be aware that you are not allowed to disclose the key. |
| 15:04.52 | slonopotamus | ... i just want to look at those headers |
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| 15:05.59 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Feel free to file a bug about closed headers. Maybe something can be fixed.. |
| 15:06.10 | slonopotamus | X-Fade, can you tell me what license they're under? |
| 15:06.34 | slonopotamus | alternatively: how i install scratchbox on n800? |
| 15:06.48 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: 1 let me check, 2 you dont. |
| 15:08.09 | slonopotamus | 1: thanks, 2: err. i'm supposed to buy myself a desktop in order to read several kilobytes of headers? |
| 15:08.43 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: It doesn't say the license in the header file. |
| 15:09.05 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: Copyright (C) 2004-2008 Nokia. All rights reserved. |
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| 15:09.43 | slonopotamus | great. thank you. it that case don't show me those headers under any circumstances |
| 15:10.11 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: fwiw, I'm with you that this should not be the case.. |
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| 15:10.27 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: But your best bet is bugzilla.. |
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| 15:11.15 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: And I think that one has to do a lot of effort for a 40 lines header file :( |
| 15:12.32 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: You could ping the maintainer as shown in the package interface? |
| 15:12.44 | slonopotamus | meh, if they're propriatery, i don't need them |
| 15:13.07 | X-Fade | looks like it at least. |
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| 15:16.47 | Jaffa | Probably because the default position (even for headers) is closed. |
| 15:17.15 | X-Fade | Well cal is probably closed intentionally. |
| 15:17.41 | slonopotamus | Jaffa, then why publish closed headers at all? |
| 15:18.37 | slonopotamus | is writing opensource libcal alternative. muahaha |
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| 15:39.29 | lcuk | slonopotamus, every time someone mentions libcal i think its the calendar |
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| 15:40.22 | slonopotamus | lcuk, you have a chance to make up a better name for opensource one :) |
| 15:40.30 | coldboot | fiferboy: Is the 4.5.2 patch ready to go, would you say? |
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| 15:41.20 | lcuk | slonopotamus, i have my own calendar, but not a calibration library |
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| 15:41.34 | lcuk | its like "pentesting" using the n810 |
| 15:41.44 | lcuk | i think it relates to drawing and ink and stuff |
| 15:41.58 | lcuk | but noooooooo, its fudging networking |
| 15:42.02 | slonopotamus | lcuk, i don't like 'calibration' at all |
| 15:42.19 | fiferboy | coldboot: It looks good to me, except for that problem bringing up the keyboard after it has been popped down |
| 15:43.01 | coldboot | fiferboy: Was that bug in the pre-patch version? |
| 15:43.41 | slonopotamus | calibration is smth like tuning, configuring. and libcal is just an api for storing/reading structured things in /dev/mtd1 |
| 15:43.43 | fiferboy | coldboot: I haven't tested it yet, I'll test it next time I do a build |
| 15:43.51 | coldboot | k |
| 15:45.26 | slonopotamus | besides that, it's tied to nand nature of that storage |
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| 15:51.35 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 15:52.17 | slonopotamus | Andy80, hello |
| 15:52.36 | slonopotamus | Andy80, your nick is like Algol76 :) |
| 15:54.12 | slonopotamus | 68, i meant |
| 15:54.17 | slonopotamus | w/e |
| 15:54.59 | Andy80 | don't know him :P |
| 15:56.03 | slonopotamus | Andy80, so. what's your problem? |
| 15:56.29 | Andy80 | uh? |
| 15:56.44 | Andy80 | why should I have one :) ? |
| 15:58.22 | slonopotamus | Andy80, hmm... usually people come to project-specific irc channels either to ask for help or to suggest help (or just to hang without any visible reaction) :) |
| 15:59.13 | Andy80 | I just need to relax a couple of minutes ;) |
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| 16:11.48 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 16:12.41 | rmt | Hiya.. are there any apps like tomboy/conboy but with sync support? And Linux desktop .. happy to setup my own server also. |
| 16:15.33 | RST38h | you can use rsync to sync the whole system |
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| 16:25.46 | Pavlov | jeremiah: ping me when you're around? |
| 16:27.16 | rmt | uhuh |
| 16:27.29 | rmt | I quite like evernote's idea.. seems logical.. |
| 16:28.02 | rmt | And imminently useful, although I'd prefer to use my own servers. |
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| 16:46.48 | fiferboy | coldboot: Unfortunately, it is not an existing problem |
| 16:47.05 | coldboot | fuck |
| 16:47.06 | fiferboy | coldboot: Repeated pop-ups and pop-downs work without issue in the un-patched code |
| 16:47.22 | coldboot | So how do you reproduce? |
| 16:47.54 | fiferboy | coldboot: Pop up the keyboard on an input widget, pop it down with a non-input widget, then try to get it to pop up with an input widget again |
| 16:48.24 | fiferboy | This works fine in the old code, but I only get one pop-up and pop-down with your fix |
| 16:48.45 | coldboot | It might be because the proxy is getting reset. |
| 16:49.20 | fiferboy | coldboot: Does the proxy get removed on pop-down? |
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| 16:50.44 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah. |
| 16:50.51 | coldboot | fiferboy: Maybe it should just always be set. |
| 16:51.20 | fiferboy | coldboot: That might work. |
| 16:51.25 | coldboot | It gets set to NULL when you send the IM_HIDE signal, which is the signal required to make the keyboard go away. |
| 16:51.48 | lcuk | rmt http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png |
| 16:51.50 | coldboot | I'm going to reproduce on my system. If you do it on shopper's LineEdit, then click shopper's dropdown, and again, does it popup tiwce? |
| 16:51.51 | lcuk | this is on its way :) |
| 16:51.51 | fiferboy | coldboot: What happens if a widget already has an input proxy? |
| 16:52.33 | coldboot | fiferboy: Then stuff could potentially get forwarded to the old widget that used to be set as the proxy... |
| 16:52.52 | coldboot | My function really should be called setHIMProxyReceiver... |
| 16:53.18 | fiferboy | coldboot: Yes, line edit, drop down, line edit should pop the keyboard twice, and does in the old code |
| 16:53.31 | coldboot | ok |
| 16:54.12 | rmt | lcuk, Nice, but won't be ready by the end of the month. :-P |
| 16:54.37 | lcuk | im using it now :) |
| 16:54.57 | rmt | I think my best bet is to compile conboy for my desktop, add all the notes and things I'll need for my trip, and then sync it all. |
| 16:55.01 | lcuk | it wont be released tho lol |
| 16:55.16 | rmt | And maybe create a small xml parser and have it on my server too. |
| 16:55.42 | lcuk | if you have your own server just make a forum and browse from tablet |
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| 17:02.32 | rmt | lcuk - won't have internet most of the time |
| 17:03.03 | lcuk | ahh |
| 17:03.14 | rmt | hardly care about sync'ing if I've got internet |
| 17:04.44 | coldboot | fiferboy: It works fine in 4.5.0. I click LineEdit, keyboard comes up, I click dropdown, keyboard goes away, then click LineEdit, then click LineEdit again, keyboard comes up. (You have to click lineedit twice to get off the dropdown and activate it, so to speak). |
| 17:05.53 | fiferboy | coldboot: I wonder if the double click was my problem... I see it is the same in the old code |
| 17:06.16 | coldboot | You have to watch for the blinking cursor on the LineEdit. |
| 17:08.14 | fiferboy | coldboot: I will check it again in 4.5.2 in your patched version |
| 17:08.45 | fiferboy | coldboot: Are you using hildon-input-method in your clone as the working branch? |
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| 17:14.47 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah, I use him-proxy, then merge to hildon-input-method. |
| 17:15.17 | fiferboy | coldboot: Gotcha. I 'm going to start a build, I'll let you know in a few minutes |
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| 17:16.04 | Khertan_n810 | Hello guys ! |
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| 17:16.33 | GeneralAntilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.26 | Khertan_n810 | Sharepy is a great maemo apps ! |
| 17:17.34 | GeneralAntilles | Hi, Khertan_n810. |
| 17:17.53 | Khertan_n810 | i ve just upload some mOrganize screenshots : http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize |
| 17:18.01 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:18.05 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: You going to be at the summit again, btw? |
| 17:18.22 | Khertan_n810 | Jaffa: i don t know yet |
| 17:18.55 | Khertan_n810 | i ve so much expenses on my car ! |
| 17:19.32 | Khertan_n810 | i m hoping the phone network will be stable |
| 17:19.33 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Hence sponsorship... |
| 17:19.34 | Khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:20.04 | Khertan_n810 | there is also sponsorship this year for the summit ? |
| 17:20.29 | Khertan_n810 | the last time i ve look at the wiki it wasn t sure |
| 17:20.57 | GeneralAntilles | Sure as hell better be. ;) |
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| 17:21.42 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Yup. When you sign up you can request it and give a reason. |
| 17:21.49 | Khertan_n810 | so maybe :) |
| 17:22.03 | Khertan_n810 | i hope mOrganize will be finish :Ã |
| 17:22.23 | Khertan_n810 | so i ll have somethings to show |
| 17:22.47 | RST38h | yawn |
| 17:23.26 | Khertan_n810 | someone have some graphical skin here ? |
| 17:23.31 | GeneralAntilles | shudders at the thought of: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=306239&postcount=25 |
| 17:23.54 | Khertan_n810 | i need some help to design icons and nice display |
| 17:24.02 | Khertan_n810 | for mOrganize |
| 17:24.48 | fiferboy | GeneralAntilles: At first I thought you were shuddering at the thought of a summit in Canada |
| 17:25.25 | GeneralAntilles | Nah, shuddering at the thought of deranged people leading the community. :) |
| 17:25.31 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: when applying for your sponsorship; ask for a tranquilizer gun |
| 17:25.49 | GeneralAntilles | Tasers are cheap these days. |
| 17:25.59 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Hopefully Nokia'll appreciate the councils they've had to date ;-) |
| 17:26.26 | coldboot | How many people went to the last summit? |
| 17:26.48 | Jaffa | 250ish, IIRC |
| 17:27.23 | Macer | wordpress is awesome |
| 17:27.53 | Khertan_n810 | 250 ? i think it was 350 |
| 17:28.39 | Macer | uhm |
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| 17:29.40 | Jaffa | Khertan_n810: Maybe. I know there's space and planning for more this time. |
| 17:30.20 | Khertan_n810 | jaffa: great news |
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| 17:32.54 | Khertan_n810 | it s seems i ve forgotten my maemo password :( ... keeping password saved in application isn t a good thing for memory |
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| 17:33.52 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, your password is 12345 :D |
| 17:34.18 | Khertan_n810 | lcuk : you loose :)l |
| 17:34.31 | Khertan_n810 | hi lcuk |
| 17:34.38 | Khertan_n810 | how do you do ? |
| 17:34.44 | lcuk | hey there. im good actually |
| 17:35.11 | Khertan_n810 | héhé |
| 17:35.12 | lcuk | finally managed to get database access working. i have every single sketch/photo/note/cal entry from day one in there now |
| 17:35.14 | lcuk | over 100mb! |
| 17:35.26 | Khertan_n810 | lol |
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| 17:36.19 | Khertan_n810 | it s a fusion of mCalendar, mTodos, mNotes |
| 17:36.24 | Khertan_n810 | hey look at that : http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize |
| 17:36.27 | Khertan_n810 | it s more like a pim ... |
| 17:36.33 | fiferboy | coldboot: Looks good. I got the pop-up, pop-down to repeat as often as I liked |
| 17:36.41 | lcuk | Khertan_n810, http://liqbase.net/liqbase_net_preview.png this is looking good too |
| 17:37.19 | Khertan_n810 | with a palm style : no more than 3 click to create an imple entry |
| 17:38.10 | lcuk | your cal is looking good |
| 17:38.21 | lcuk | i gather you sorted speed out |
| 17:38.44 | Khertan_n810 | it s a bit faster than mCalendar<:) |
| 17:39.04 | lcuk | thats a bonus then, how well does it all work if you run from desktop too? |
| 17:39.17 | lcuk | ie, is it magically synced between them quickly |
| 17:39.43 | Khertan_n810 | not yet :) |
| 17:39.54 | lcuk | it still uses google under the hood doesnt it? |
| 17:40.07 | Khertan_n810 | but it s the plan :) |
| 17:40.44 | Khertan_n810 | yep :) |
| 17:40.47 | lcuk | i am actually managing to tick things off the bottom of my big todo list |
| 17:40.47 | Khertan_n810 | the calendar ync with google |
| 17:41.47 | lcuk | so if you write entries from desktop - it WILL already magically appear on tablet :) |
| 17:41.48 | amr | the tablet is missing that, majorly |
| 17:41.48 | amr | imo |
| 17:41.52 | Khertan_n810 | great :) |
| 17:42.33 | lcuk | i got the tagging of stuff working properly now in the database: http://liqbase.net/liq.20090722_035137.ctrlliqpebble_tagcloud1.scr.png |
| 17:42.42 | fiferboy | coldboot: I added another comment to your merge request confirming that it works properly compared to the unpatched behaviour |
| 17:48.01 | fiferboy | lbt: Hello? |
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| 17:50.41 | lcuk | vanishes - cyas later o |
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| 17:54.02 | khertan_n810 | i m back |
| 17:54.06 | khertan_n810 | connection isn t stable |
| 17:55.49 | khertan_n810 | so if there is someone that have some graphic skills, mOrganize is skinnable, so do not hesitate to contact me if you want to participe to the project |
| 17:56.05 | RST38h | khertan: wazd? =) |
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| 17:56.28 | khertan_n810 | http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/mOrganize |
| 17:56.36 | amr | m0rganize sounds like such a hacker name :( |
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| 17:56.55 | khertan_n810 | yep it s not the final name |
| 17:56.59 | khertan_n810 | :)it |
| 17:57.17 | khertan_n810 | it s a fusion between mCalendar, mTodos and mNotes |
| 17:57.30 | khertan_n810 | a PIM without contacts :) |
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| 17:58.41 | khertan_n810 | still with a finger ui |
| 17:58.43 | khertan_n810 | :) |
| 17:59.47 | khertan_n810 | and still not finish |
| 17:59.47 | khertan_n810 | :) |
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| 18:04.37 | amr | nice |
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| 18:16.37 | amr | is it just me, or does the samsung mondi look identical to the n810? |
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| 18:21.57 | LinuxCode | its just you |
| 18:22.18 | LinuxCode | ultimately, anything will look similar due to the size contraints |
| 18:22.22 | LinuxCode | check the keybaord |
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| 18:22.32 | LinuxCode | its completely different |
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| 18:27.38 | LinuxCode | well maybe not completely, but then form factor doesnt exactly allow for anything but that configuration |
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| 18:28.14 | LinuxCode | if thats a stand though like the N810's thats def stolen |
| 18:35.55 | coldboot | fiferboy: Can you tell me the output of `ls ${maemo-dir}/lib | wc -l`, assuming you're filling in the maemo-dir? |
| 18:36.32 | fiferboy | coldboot: I only compile up to libQtGui and then abort it, so I won't have all the necessary libraries |
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| 18:45.37 | coldboot | ah ok |
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| 18:46.37 | coldboot | Okay I do a full build of qt-maemo 4.5.0, which is svn revision 546, a completely clean, uninterrupted `dpkg-buildpackage -b`, single-threaded, and the stupid thing says this every single time, when building in sb2 for i386: |
| 18:46.48 | coldboot | dh_install -pqt4-demos --sourcedir=debian/tmp --exclude=.debug |
| 18:46.48 | coldboot | cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/bin/qtdemo': No such file or directory |
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| 18:51.42 | Khertan_2 | i'm back |
| 18:51.57 | Khertan_2 | it s raining ... again ... |
| 18:52.00 | Khertan_2 | and now storm |
| 18:52.01 | Khertan_2 | pfff |
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| 19:01.18 | fiferboy | coldboot: Can you try building without the demos? |
| 19:02.25 | coldboot | I appended `-make libs -make tools -make qmake` to debian.rules, so I'm trying without those. |
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| 19:04.07 | fiferboy | coldboot: How long does it take you to get past the webkit build? |
| 19:04.45 | coldboot | fiferboy: No idea. |
| 19:05.14 | fiferboy | coldboot: But it is getting past it? You have QtWebKit libs in your /lib dir? |
| 19:05.48 | coldboot | Yep, it made those. |
| 19:06.23 | fiferboy | Mine never make it past that, so I don't know about qtdemo problems :) |
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| 19:36.13 | esaym153 | ugh, nokia cancled my n810 order |
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| 19:43.14 | VDVsx | esaym153, why? they don't have more units ? :P |
| 19:43.31 | esaym153 | didn't say |
| 19:44.01 | woglinde | they want you to bye the new one |
| 19:44.03 | woglinde | haha |
| 19:44.06 | woglinde | buy |
| 19:44.42 | esaym153 | not sure if I should try a different retailer or what |
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| 19:45.38 | woglinde | esaym153 do you really need it now? |
| 19:45.39 | VDVsx | esaym153, amazon ? |
| 19:45.45 | woglinde | I would wait for the new one |
| 19:45.50 | esaym153 | amazone = $400 |
| 19:46.05 | woglinde | thats to much |
| 19:46.06 | esaym153 | woglinde: not spending over $200 |
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| 19:46.27 | VDVsx | esaym153, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N-810-Internet-Tablet/dp/B001CX5UAO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1248378363&sr=8-3 |
| 19:47.01 | VDVsx | ahaha great deal: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001CZJIIM/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1248378363&sr=8-4&condition=used |
| 19:47.49 | esaym153 | I love amazon |
| 19:48.40 | coldboot | hahaha |
| 19:48.49 | VDVsx | $1,549.99 for a used n810 We, OMG |
| 19:49.19 | coldboot | Did you use froogle.google.com? |
| 19:50.24 | lbt | is there a reason ntp shouldn't be used on the tablets? |
| 19:51.00 | woglinde | lbt not that I know |
| 19:51.27 | lbt | Ta... ISTR .... something... but can't put my finger on it |
| 19:51.51 | fiferboy | lbt: I had a problem when I installed one of the ntp packages a while ago, but I don't remember what |
| 19:52.03 | fiferboy | I think it didn't want to uninstall... |
| 19:52.18 | lbt | I was more thinking about HW clock updates... |
| 19:52.53 | fiferboy | I don't remember any issue with the clock updates, but there was some problem. I could be wrong. |
| 19:53.02 | fiferboy | There is more than one ntp package, right? |
| 19:53.43 | lbt | yes |
| 19:53.46 | lbt | ntp and ntpdate |
| 19:53.51 | lbt | (typically) |
| 19:54.37 | fiferboy | lbt: I have overshoot working in all cases (that I could think to test) and seems to be quite good |
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| 19:54.51 | fiferboy | It might be my imagination, but something seems smoother about it |
| 19:55.39 | lbt | heh ... I am about to install the older version on Mer |
| 19:56.04 | fiferboy | Do you want to test my changes before I submit a merge request? |
| 19:56.09 | fiferboy | There might be something I have missed |
| 19:56.32 | lbt | I should but I can't atm :( |
| 19:57.30 | fiferboy | lbt: Still on the OBS fixes? |
| 19:57.39 | lbt | yes |
| 19:58.58 | fiferboy | The merge request can wait |
| 19:59.27 | fiferboy | I'm hoping I can get webkit to build if I turn off the debug, if I can I will try to get finger scrolling in webframes |
| 20:00.00 | VDVsx | oh oh, seems that the HTC hero is only 'show off' again : http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/ |
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| 21:31.37 | lbt | wazd: ping |
| 21:31.49 | wazd | lbt: pong :) |
| 21:31.56 | lbt | hey... |
| 21:32.09 | lbt | did you find the icons for Sts' presentation? |
| 21:33.38 | RST38h | yawns widely |
| 21:33.43 | wazd | lbt: for what presentation? |
| 21:33.45 | RST38h | wazd: got the monitor? =) |
| 21:33.55 | lbt | CPH ... |
| 21:34.03 | lbt | a few weeks ago |
| 21:34.11 | wazd | RST38h: not yet, i have to finish website to get money/monitor :) |
| 21:34.15 | wazd | RST38h: http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2009/07/23/3226152.shtml |
| 21:34.18 | lbt | his site is down so I can't link |
| 21:34.51 | RST38h | wazd: "Whatever these guys try to build, they end up with a concentration camp" =) |
| 21:35.18 | wazd | lbt: they are from one of free icon sets I guess |
| 21:35.28 | wazd | lbt: oxygen or something |
| 21:35.34 | lbt | yes, I wondered if you knew which one and had a url |
| 21:36.43 | lcuk | lbt, i have been cherry picking things from here: http://nuovext.pwsp.net/ |
| 21:37.20 | wazd | lbt: http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ |
| 21:37.48 | lcuk | wazd, when i tried looking for oxygen i couldnt find a proper download for them |
| 21:38.05 | RST38h | lcuk: Tried Wiki already? |
| 21:38.44 | lcuk | wazd, on that page, where are the icons |
| 21:38.48 | lcuk | and rst, which wiki... |
| 21:38.52 | wazd | lcuk: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Icons?content=74184 |
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| 21:39.08 | wazd | lcuk: 1st google result on "oxygen icons download@ :D |
| 21:39.12 | lbt | this is great -ta |
| 21:39.15 | RST38h | wazd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Icons |
| 21:39.21 | RST38h | Sorry |
| 21:39.23 | RST38h | lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Icons |
| 21:39.29 | RST38h | lcuk: THE Wiki :) |
| 21:40.21 | wazd | RST38h: btw, I had a funny situation with "brand loyality" yesterday :) |
| 21:40.43 | RST38h | wazd: Mistook LG for an HP? ;) |
| 21:42.00 | wazd | RST38h: me and my friend were talking bout netbooks, and he was trying to prove me that MSI Wind is the best netbook out there, solid, well-made and so on |
| 21:42.00 | wazd | RST38h: also dirty cheap |
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| 21:42.47 | wazd | RST38h: And when he brought it out of it's bag - suddenly something fell off the screen hinge :) |
| 21:43.09 | wazd | RST38h: without any reason :) |
| 21:44.08 | lcuk | ballast |
| 21:44.17 | lcuk | all good designs include extra ballast |
| 21:44.37 | lcuk | its like shipping devices with "spare screws" |
| 21:45.01 | RST38h | wazd: Weird, it does look sturdy enough to me |
| 21:45.18 | wazd | RST38h: well, I was surprised too :) |
| 21:45.21 | RST38h | wazd: Although I would not buy ASUS or MSI or any other .TW noname |
| 21:45.32 | RST38h | wazd: Too painful experience with ASUS |
| 21:50.16 | lbt | why in 2009 is it easier to open a terminal and type wget than to drag'n'drop a bloody graphic from firefox to Open office |
| 21:50.33 | lbt | stupid linux |
| 21:51.37 | derf | Hah, I do that all the time. |
| 21:51.46 | derf | Open a terminal and type wget, I mean. |
| 21:51.51 | derf | I figured I was just old. |
| 21:52.01 | lbt | no, linux just sucks |
| 21:52.16 | derf | Really, it's the thought have having to use that horrendous file dialog. |
| 21:52.26 | derf | s/have/of |
| 21:52.33 | RST38h | Hmmm...My battery now completely discharges in three days |
| 21:52.44 | lbt | I just want to drag an icon from one app to another... no dialogue needed .... <sigh> |
| 21:52.54 | RST38h | Nothing special is running, OMWeather set to 2hr update period, Modest set to 1hr update period |
| 21:53.00 | lbt | RST38h: Mine lasts 2 if I'm lucky |
| 21:53.07 | RST38h | lbt: Weird... |
| 21:53.10 | derf | lbt: I never get the inclination to drag anything, really. |
| 21:53.14 | lbt | I upset the battery gods |
| 21:53.21 | derf | The less I touch the mouse, the better. |
| 21:53.22 | RST38h | I did notice 5-6 copies of browserd hanging around for no good reason |
| 21:53.31 | RST38h | + 2 more legitimate copies |
| 21:53.33 | lbt | derf: I'm browsing icons for a presentation... |
| 21:53.51 | ShadowJK | openoffice only very recently managed to get copy/paste working... between itself. Between one openoffice spreadsheet to the exact same spreadsheet in the same program. I imagine it'll take awhile before it works across two openoffice programs, let alone firefox :-) |
| 21:53.53 | RST38h | Not worth complaining to Maemo people of course, but still |
| 21:54.23 | ShadowJK | (atleast this is my experience with it) |
| 21:54.34 | RST38h | ShadowJK: FireFox has got some copy/paste problems on its own on Unix |
| 21:55.02 | derf | Just getting something out of the URL bar used to be a major challenge. |
| 21:55.37 | ShadowJK | Sometimes it puts things in the one clipboard and other times it puts things in the other clipboard.. and then you don't know which clipboard the app you're trying to paste into takes stuff from :) |
| 21:55.50 | lbt | sounds like emacs |
| 21:55.53 | wazd | http://mytechnews.info/b/2009/07/screenshots-from-the-garmin-asus-nuvifone-g60-part-1.html |
| 21:56.03 | wazd | why didn't they make pixel-art icons :( |
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| 21:57.03 | Khertan_2 | wazd: it s a palm os ? |
| 21:57.04 | Khertan_2 | :) |
| 21:57.17 | RST38h | wazd: Those are Garmin icons. Blame Garmin |
| 21:57.51 | Khertan_2 | why didn't they make pixel-art icons :( < if you are good enough to do icon ... maybe you can help me ? |
| 21:58.02 | Khertan_2 | to reskin mOrganize :) |
| 21:58.38 | wazd | Khertan_2: well, I can try at least :) |
| 21:59.16 | Khertan_2 | oh http://tabletui.wordpress.com/ <-- this is your blog ? |
| 21:59.29 | Khertan_2 | so you ll be successfully do it :) |
| 22:00.19 | wazd | Khertan_2: yep, that's mine |
| 22:00.31 | Khertan_2 | you do nice ui ... |
| 22:01.13 | Khertan_2 | i ll send you a alpha version of mOrganize, so you ll be able to look at what i try to achieve |
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| 22:01.27 | Khertan_2 | at the moment it s working ... |
| 22:01.30 | Khertan_2 | it s horrible |
| 22:01.35 | Khertan_2 | but it s working :) |
| 22:02.00 | Khertan_2 | but it s require some things to be finished :) |
| 22:02.19 | Khertan_2 | like the backgroud sync launch and the prefs |
| 22:02.47 | Khertan_2 | http://picasaweb.google.fr/khertan/MOrganize |
| 22:03.22 | Khertan_2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8Eh9OWfig <<< and the first try :) |
| 22:03.29 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 22:04.21 | Khertan_2 | so it ll be time to go to sleep for me too |
| 22:04.21 | Khertan_2 | :) |
| 22:05.47 | Khertan_2 | bye ... see you later |
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| 22:06.05 | Khertan_2 | wazd: if you want to contact me : khertan@khertan.net |
| 22:06.21 | Khertan_2 | wazd: and if you are interested |
| 22:06.32 | wazd | Khertan_2: I'll see what i can do :) |
| 22:06.43 | Khertan_2 | wazd: thanks |
| 22:06.54 | Khertan_2 | the icons are horrible :) |
| 22:07.10 | wazd | Khertan_2: oh, htey are not that bad :) |
| 22:07.25 | Khertan_2 | individually there are nice |
| 22:07.32 | Khertan_2 | but ... this isn't the same style |
| 22:07.57 | Khertan_2 | and doesn't really well choosen for the feature ... |
| 22:08.22 | Khertan_2 | the 2, 3, 4 and 5th icons are for creating new entries |
| 22:08.25 | Khertan_2 | 2: an event |
| 22:08.29 | Khertan_2 | 3: a todo |
| 22:08.34 | Khertan_2 | 4: a text note |
| 22:08.41 | Khertan_2 | 5 : a draw note |
| 22:08.44 | Khertan_2 | :) |
| 22:08.55 | Khertan_2 | so ... i really need to go to sleep |
| 22:09.01 | Khertan_2 | see you later ... |
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| 22:12.18 | wazd | Khertan_2: see ya |
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