| 00:09.45 | jhford-work | is there a way to clone a maemo device? |
| 00:10.18 | nikosapi | iirc, there was something on talk.maemo.org the other day about that |
| 00:11.18 | jhford-work | i am trying to either modify the rootfs, or clone an existing n810 |
| 00:11.18 | nikosapi | I've done it by rsync'ing over all the data from / to an sd card then booting off the sd card |
| 00:11.24 | jhford-work | oh? |
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| 00:12.00 | jhford-work | i am currently rsyncing / to a folder on another cmoputer then creating a jffs2 filesystem with that as the root of the image. it doesn't work though |
| 00:12.38 | jhford-work | nikosapi: when you rsync'd did you include /proc, /dev and /sys? |
| 00:12.54 | nikosapi | see that's what I'm uncertain about which is why I just copied it to an sd card (formatted as ext2) |
| 00:13.13 | nikosapi | jhford-work: I think just /dev |
| 00:13.30 | nikosapi | sys and proc are virtual filesystems |
| 00:14.51 | nikosapi | jhford-work: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=223846&postcount=2 |
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| 00:15.01 | jhford-work | nikosapi: thanks |
| 00:21.05 | lcuk | star trek is cool! |
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| 00:35.39 | amr | lord i hate python |
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| 00:57.05 | amr | how on earth do i get it so the file name doesn't appear in the title using python? |
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| 01:53.57 | xnt14 | is bored |
| 01:54.12 | xnt14 | thinks about building a datacenter into his room.... xD |
| 01:54.49 | lcuk | why stick at one |
| 01:55.04 | lcuk | you could have a cluster of datacentres |
| 01:58.10 | Macer | hm |
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| 02:05.31 | xnt14 | :P |
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| 02:06.00 | xnt14 | hmm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ZOS_welcome_screen.png |
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| 02:08.31 | timeless_mbp | help? |
| 02:08.43 | timeless_mbp | anyone here familiar w/ GPE? |
| 02:08.45 | timeless_mbp | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4818 |
| 02:11.02 | LinuxCode | never tried two alarms |
| 02:13.14 | LinuxCode | timeless_mbp, I can only set one alarm |
| 02:13.39 | timeless_mbp | is this related to GPE, alarmd, or what? |
| 02:13.53 | LinuxCode | you set the alrm in gpe itself right ? |
| 02:13.57 | timeless_mbp | filing a bug in Misdirected: Nokia is odd |
| 02:14.06 | timeless_mbp | LinuxCode: i'm not the reporter |
| 02:14.07 | LinuxCode | I get no option to add another alarm |
| 02:14.10 | LinuxCode | ohh |
| 02:14.12 | LinuxCode | sorry mate |
| 02:14.16 | LinuxCode | then throw it out |
| 02:14.19 | LinuxCode | not a bug |
| 02:14.24 | LinuxCode | missing feature |
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| 02:18.27 | puelocesar | Hi, anyone developing on Qt for Maemo? |
| 02:19.06 | puelocesar | My qt app can't access internet from scratchbox, but it works on the device |
| 02:19.11 | puelocesar | "QMaemoInternetConnectivity has received an error message." |
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| 02:48.48 | xnt14 | is bored |
| 02:49.14 | xnt14 | installs backtrack on his eee to see if his wpa2 encryption on his network is effective.... |
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| 03:57.52 | xnt14 | hmm, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_emulator |
| 03:58.19 | xnt14 | wonders if there is an eval edition of z/os...... |
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| 04:05.23 | chx | wow |
| 04:05.35 | chx | i know a number of mainframe people who would consider this sacrilege |
| 04:05.44 | chx | they wont touch a PC with a ten foot barge pole |
| 04:07.22 | xnt14 | lol |
| 04:07.46 | xnt14 | so, their main computer is a mainframe? :P |
| 04:07.58 | xnt14 | home mainframe...lol |
| 04:08.37 | chx | these people literally live on campus |
| 04:08.51 | chx | and they still think the PC is a fad |
| 04:09.10 | chx | they used mainframes for (many) decades |
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| 04:29.19 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 04:31.31 | xnt14 | goes to sleep |
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| 05:36.17 | Macer | so like |
| 05:36.26 | Macer | virtualhosts in apache are supposed to be completely transparent right? |
| 05:37.07 | Macer | even if the box is behind a nat? |
| 05:37.07 | Macer | all traffic is simply directed by the apache server into the virtual hosts? |
| 05:37.07 | Macer | even if the vhost is a redirected host on the local subnet? |
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| 06:25.12 | tomdavidson | hi there, i need some advice on partitioning. Im going to install mer .15 tomarrow I want to keep maemo on the internal memory, have mer on the interal flash and have the two OSes use the same swap space on the internal memory? this is what i do with my workstation, but im fuzzy on how maemo uses swap? |
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| 06:49.46 | tomdavidson | aah dang it. i cant flash my n810 with firmware. i intstalled boot menu with the mer installer. now when i start up the device with the swap button push... flasher3.0 doesnt do anything and the n810 boots |
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| 06:57.17 | Stskeeps | did you start the flasher, and -then- the device? :P |
| 06:57.34 | Pavlov | anyone know how to make an image of an n810? |
| 06:57.38 | tomdavidson | yes. have done it np a dozen times before |
| 06:57.41 | Pavlov | that i could flash on to them? |
| 06:57.49 | Pavlov | like, set one up, make image, flash on to others? |
| 06:58.15 | tl | for maemo input method,i can't switch one plugin to another using function "hildon_im_ui_activate_plugin(priv->ui,"himExample_vkb",TRUE);".is there anybody who know it? |
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| 06:59.03 | tomdavidson | nice... now maemo boots ... and than reboots again and again... this is new. |
| 06:59.26 | Stskeeps | tl: what are you attempting to make? |
| 07:00.29 | tl | i want to switch from one plugin to another in maemo input method. |
| 07:00.49 | Stskeeps | alright - you have to make it present itself as supporting your current language |
| 07:00.51 | Stskeeps | else it will be grey |
| 07:01.16 | slonopotamus | tomdavidson, they call it userfriendly behaviour. instead of manual fix, it reboots for you |
| 07:01.21 | tl | yeah the twe plugin all are grey |
| 07:01.40 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: did you clone to SD before? |
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| 07:01.54 | tomdavidson | ha ha right... ive been mssing that feature with ms windows updates |
| 07:02.13 | tomdavidson | i did not clone first. |
| 07:02.25 | Stskeeps | nah, i was talking about if you ever did it |
| 07:02.38 | slonopotamus | hello, my name is Marat and i clone to SD |
| 07:02.46 | Stskeeps | dolly? |
| 07:02.46 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:02.55 | Stskeeps | or whatever that sheep name was |
| 07:03.05 | tomdavidson | ha ha ya i got ya |
| 07:03.11 | slonopotamus | i used to clone two times a day, but now do it only once it a week |
| 07:03.42 | tl | Stskeeps:what i should do to make it support current language.thanks |
| 07:04.11 | slonopotamus | tomdavidson, you should do cloning alone until initiated |
| 07:04.23 | slonopotamus | s/should/shouldn't/ |
| 07:06.18 | tomdavidson | i must be missing something. I dont understand the need for the clone at this point? btw, i used the mer installer rather than flashing the image |
| 07:06.43 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: did you have low disk space at the time of installing? on the internal flash (root) |
| 07:06.48 | Macer | hm |
| 07:06.54 | Macer | can someone do me a favor and go to www.rancorous.net |
| 07:06.58 | Macer | and see if they see anything? |
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| 07:07.21 | Stskeeps | it's up |
| 07:07.27 | Macer | awesome :) |
| 07:07.35 | tomdavidson | no errors where reported. and i had a fresh flash of maemo so i do not thinki had disk space issue |
| 07:07.50 | Macer | i don't believe in facebook.. i believe if i am going to rant about things that it should be on my own server |
| 07:07.53 | Macer | haha |
| 07:08.10 | Macer | i have to start working on vhosts and web pages now :) |
| 07:08.37 | Macer | Stskeeps: if you don't mind I'll work on making a mer one.. this site should run fast (at least 20x faster than that piece of crap esxi stuff did) |
| 07:08.38 | tomdavidson | stays booted with out the usb pluged it. also looks like the mer installer was going to use the interal sd for swap. i thought that was a bad itea? |
| 07:08.40 | Macer | wow was taht a disappointment |
| 07:09.11 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: nah - it's not that bad, but external swap would probably be saner |
| 07:09.37 | tomdavidson | the sd memory doesnt "wear out" faster? |
| 07:09.55 | Stskeeps | yeah.. and it's non-replacable |
| 07:10.11 | Stskeeps | afaik sd memory wearing out is a myth but who knows :P |
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| 07:14.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, sd cards have ~10k write cycles per block, right? |
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| 07:15.18 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i wonder how many of them happen each day |
| 07:15.25 | tomdavidson | dang it. i start flasher. get the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" message. Then I turn on the n810 with the swap key pressed. But i get the boot menu from when i tried to install mer and no flash. not finding much on the web |
| 07:17.25 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: you can try the alternative, turn off n8x0 totally ad then put inn usb, then put in charger |
| 07:19.24 | Macer | ms expressions isn't too bad for web design |
| 07:19.33 | Macer | i mean not that i'm a hard core web designer |
| 07:19.36 | Macer | but it looks rather good :) |
| 07:22.43 | tomdavidson | stskeeps still got the boot menu |
| 07:22.55 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: hmm, flasher-3.0-static? |
| 07:23.35 | tomdavidson | nope flasher-3.0, i dont konw the differnce. |
| 07:23.48 | Stskeeps | try grabbing flasher-3.0-static, because your libusb may be foobar |
| 07:24.03 | Stskeeps | at this point it looks like it's on the computer side |
| 07:24.08 | Stskeeps | can i see the command you use to flash? |
| 07:27.58 | tomdavidson | i just tried static linked version.. "./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 07:28.04 | tomdavidson | " |
| 07:30.52 | Pavlov | will flasher let you create flash images? |
| 07:30.59 | Macer | OMFG! |
| 07:31.02 | Macer | SanDisk Extreme® (III) SD. and SDHC. Cards |
| 07:31.05 | Macer | EXTREME!!@# |
| 07:31.08 | Pavlov | !! |
| 07:31.16 | Pavlov | 30mb/sec! |
| 07:31.27 | tomdavidson | pavlov i have not tried. will do. just a min |
| 07:32.04 | Pavlov | -F ... -f -R is what you want |
| 07:32.09 | Pavlov | to flash an image on there |
| 07:32.32 | Macer | Pavlov: heh |
| 07:32.40 | Macer | yeah that thing is extreme |
| 07:32.50 | Pavlov | Macer: yeah, i've got a few of them -- they're pretty nice |
| 07:33.22 | Macer | really? |
| 07:33.24 | Pavlov | tomdavidson: i dont know much about how mer works though |
| 07:33.32 | Macer | class 10 32GB sds? |
| 07:33.34 | Macer | heh |
| 07:33.41 | Pavlov | Macer: i've just got the 8gb ones |
| 07:33.45 | Macer | are you hoarding them? |
| 07:33.47 | Macer | oh |
| 07:33.54 | Pavlov | not the new fancy ones |
| 07:33.58 | Macer | oh |
| 07:33.59 | Pavlov | though i think the newer ones are just bigger |
| 07:34.32 | Pavlov | but mine only claim class 6 |
| 07:34.40 | Pavlov | but 30mb/s which i think is class 10 |
| 07:35.04 | tomdavidson | allright. i give. how do i create an image with flasher? |
| 07:35.13 | Pavlov | dunno |
| 07:36.13 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: no result on flashing diablo? |
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| 07:36.48 | Pavlov | tomdavidson: you're plugging it in via usb and then turning it on right? |
| 07:36.59 | tomdavidson | stskeeps nope not yet. bout time for me to call it quits though. |
| 07:37.03 | tomdavidson | yes pavlov |
| 07:37.12 | Stskeeps | tomdavidson: can i assume you pop the battery? |
| 07:37.59 | Pavlov | and you're holding down the right button when you turn on your device? |
| 07:38.01 | tomdavidson | i did several times in troubleshooting. but never had to in the past |
| 07:38.33 | Pavlov | the button to the left of the power button |
| 07:38.34 | tomdavidson | for the n810 it is the swap button. hold it down than turn it on |
| 07:38.41 | Pavlov | the two overlapping triangles yeah |
| 07:38.47 | Pavlov | er, rectangles |
| 07:39.07 | Pavlov | hmm |
| 07:39.28 | Pavlov | tomdavidson: try a different usb port on your computer? |
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| 07:41.33 | Jaffa | Nirbubgm akk |
| 07:41.44 | tomdavidson | ya i need to try it with out the hub. but the computer is in a closet in another room. ill have to rearrain a bit to make it work. using the same port as i had in the past though.sounds like it is the comptuer and not something with the boot menu or n810. freak, mayber i just need to restart after the latest updates |
| 07:41.44 | Stskeeps | passes Jaffa a big mug of coffee |
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| 07:44.08 | tomdavidson | push 2am for me. thank you for the help. i will hit up more later... good night |
| 07:44.42 | Pavlov | gooud luck |
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| 07:56.23 | sarower | Good morning all |
| 07:57.28 | sarower | I am catching the stylus motion event from my applet. But it does not get the motion / drag event. System handles / catches the event. |
| 07:57.48 | sarower | How i can handle the drag event for applet development |
| 07:57.59 | sarower | ?? any body any help..? |
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| 08:36.28 | Macer | little piece of me wishes they had iweb for windows :) |
| 08:36.45 | florian | good morning |
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| 08:38.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Lol, I got a Google Voice invite. Anyone happen to know a good proxy? =) |
| 08:40.59 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: ta :) |
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| 08:50.13 | timeless_mbp | andre__: kinda amazing someone managed to choose to file a bug in misdirected :) |
| 08:50.27 | timeless_mbp | andre__: we can close x-misdirected to new bugs... |
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| 08:51.59 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, i just did |
| 08:52.13 | timeless_mbp | ok :) |
| 08:52.14 | andre__ | well. in gnome bugzilla people file bugs into "Do not Use" |
| 08:52.21 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 08:53.06 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, for misdirected, if our bugzilla is new enough we can set an entry group for admin |
| 08:53.19 | timeless_mbp | and then you and i can move misdirected bugs w/o bothering the sheeple |
| 08:55.29 | andre__ | ah, nice |
| 08:55.29 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 08:55.38 | timeless_mbp | the osx dock just works |
| 08:55.44 | timeless_mbp | ] |
| 08:55.54 | timeless_mbp | i had a firefox item in my dock, i renamed the real app to firefox 3.0.x.app |
| 08:56.00 | timeless_mbp | and added a firefox 3.5.x.app |
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| 08:56.22 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: possible new target for Mer, -- archos 6 just got cracked open :) |
| 08:56.31 | Stskeeps | or whatever the omap3 one is |
| 08:59.06 | timeless_mbp | when i clicked on my dock item, it managed to find 3.0.x and rename the icon in my dock |
| 09:01.27 | _BuBU1 | Archos 5 (not archos 6 :) ) |
| 09:03.22 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: nice |
| 09:03.37 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Can't see Archos meeting the vendor contract ;-) |
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| 09:06.31 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yeah.. so it will probably be an effort from the device community |
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| 09:15.25 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did 0.15 ship? |
| 09:15.42 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: partly - i had some N8x0 problems |
| 09:15.47 | Stskeeps | so it's not out just yet |
| 09:16.54 | Stskeeps | wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Releases/0.15 to dl .. there's a wide range of known issues though, but we had to do a snapshot release now to get things out |
| 09:17.04 | Stskeeps | and then we'll spend most of 0.16 sprint to fix stuff |
| 09:18.01 | Stskeeps | (yes, i didn't get around to fixing the shift button ..) |
| 09:26.09 | RST38h | moo all. |
| 09:27.57 | Stskeeps | moo |
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| 12:23.01 | RST38h | Report: iPhone Leak Interrogations Drive Foxconn Employee to Suicide! |
| 12:23.09 | RST38h | -1. |
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| 13:33.02 | brankinhu | hey, i've an ARM7 LPC2378 (http://yhst-27389313707334.stores.yahoo.net/arlpwi2tftto.html) someone knows if maemo it's work on LPC2378? |
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| 13:33.33 | RST38h | No. |
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| 13:33.39 | RST38h | No ARM7s, sorry |
| 13:33.55 | RST38h | if(is.opera) { window.location.href="config/error.htm"; |
| 13:34.34 | Stskeeps | brankinhu: wiki.maemo.org/Mer might be of interest |
| 13:34.36 | RST38h | Cthulhu was feasting on some Norvegian brain matter, it seems... |
| 13:34.42 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 13:34.49 | Stskeeps | arm7, not armv7 |
| 13:34.51 | RST38h | Sts: Mer won't run either |
| 13:34.57 | RST38h | Sts: No MMU. |
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| 13:35.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: aye, you're right |
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| 13:53.49 | chx | RST38h: yeah that opera story is so FAIL. |
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| 13:57.03 | jaska | hah |
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| 14:31.54 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: tried out the compcache yet? |
| 14:33.10 | qwerty12_N810 | Nah, looking at the readme and it mentions its own tools, so I'm thinking of building it myself later |
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| 15:17.48 | LoCusF | cool, good to know that people are still interested in it :) |
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| 16:41.02 | coldboot | fiferboy: I fixed the flicker bug. |
| 16:41.08 | coldboot | fiferboy: I had my proxy code in the wrong place. |
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| 16:48.03 | fiferboy | coldboot: Nice! So now only a proxy widget is converted to x11 native? |
| 16:48.19 | coldboot | Yep, which is the top-level nativeParentWidget. |
| 16:48.24 | coldboot | I have a merge request submitted. |
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| 16:49.07 | coldboot | http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/commit/72ec52f8cae6264a8ca971a1cb3e8f01b85af106 |
| 16:49.08 | fiferboy | coldboot: That's awesome. That means there shouldn't be flicker even on widgets that accept input, correct? |
| 16:50.12 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yep, all flicker is gone completely. |
| 16:50.28 | fiferboy | coldboot: Very sweet |
| 16:50.40 | coldboot | There is no more conversion to native X windows. |
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| 16:50.47 | fiferboy | Antonio is on vacation right now, I think, so it might be a while before it gets merged |
| 16:50.56 | coldboot | That's cool. |
| 16:52.32 | fiferboy | Have you tested in in 4.5.0 as well? |
| 16:53.37 | coldboot | fiferboy: Well, that's the only place I tested it. |
| 16:53.46 | coldboot | fiferboy: If you could test it on 4.5.2 that would be great. |
| 16:54.02 | fiferboy | coldboot: Sure, I can do that |
| 16:54.07 | coldboot | Cool, thanks. |
| 16:54.12 | fiferboy | No problem |
| 16:58.07 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 16:59.07 | lcuk | i just had my ears wiped out |
| 16:59.10 | lcuk | hi rstr |
| 16:59.42 | lcuk | ice cream van parked right under my open window, and started its chimes. i think i am deaf |
| 17:00.05 | RST38h | heya lcuk |
| 17:00.09 | fiferboy | You guys must have some serious ice cream vans over there... |
| 17:00.35 | RST38h | lcuk: Parking an ice cream van in an neighbourhood at 6am is a good way to check for illegal concealed weapons |
| 17:01.06 | coldboot | RST38h: What? |
| 17:01.25 | RST38h | coldboot: nevermind. |
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| 17:02.17 | coldboot | fiferboy: It at least builds fine in 4.5.2 |
| 17:02.39 | fiferboy | I'm just going to fetch your branch and test it on my device |
| 17:03.33 | lcuk | RST38h, my missus is deaf too, she practically fell off the chair |
| 17:03.50 | lcuk | and yeah, if she had a rifle she wouldv been out there with it |
| 17:03.51 | lcuk | lol |
| 17:04.54 | RST38h | lcuk: Who wouldn't? =) |
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| 17:09.44 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 17:10.21 | johnsq | slonopotamus: Hi |
| 17:10.37 | slonopotamus | johnsq, hi there |
| 17:12.54 | coldboot | Is superuser.com still in beta? |
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| 17:32.48 | fiferboy | coldboot: I compiled and copied the library over to my device, but I get a segfault |
| 17:33.04 | coldboot | ah shit |
| 17:33.10 | fiferboy | I'm going to try it on a completely clean build, as I may have had some crap in my hildon-input-method branch |
| 17:33.17 | coldboot | ok cool |
| 17:33.19 | fiferboy | Don't panic yet, it may be my fault |
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| 17:39.27 | coldboot | fiferboy: It segfaults on mine, too... |
| 17:39.47 | coldboot | fiferboy: I must have changed something since I last tested it.. |
| 17:40.32 | coldboot | I got it |
| 17:41.39 | coldboot | maybe not |
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| 17:59.16 | fiferboy | coldboot: What changes have you made recently? |
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| 18:02.37 | coldboot | fiferboy: I just forgot to check for a null, testing now. |
| 18:02.53 | coldboot | I was moving code around between the svn and git version, and deleted a line by accident. |
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| 18:03.39 | fiferboy | You use the SVN version as your base because it is in extras? |
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| 18:16.39 | coldboot | fiferboy: Okay it's working now, merge again with me. |
| 18:17.08 | Proteous | kinky |
| 18:17.16 | fiferboy | coldboot: Will do |
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| 18:20.14 | Stskeepz | is it just me or is talk.maemo.org deadly slow today? :P |
| 18:20.36 | RST38h | same here |
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| 18:35.53 | locutus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.56 | r2d2rogers | doesn't get to the progress bar |
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| 18:46.20 | r2d2rogers | redoing the partition and trying the image again |
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| 18:55.11 | fiferboy | coldboot: That lastest fix does it |
| 18:55.36 | fiferboy | Your solution looks good, no flicker, HIM still works fine from what I can see |
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| 18:59.10 | coldboot | Excellent. |
| 18:59.30 | fiferboy | Is that last change included in the current merge request? |
| 18:59.43 | fiferboy | coldboot: Or will you remove that one and send another with the correction? |
| 19:01.11 | coldboot | I deleted the last one. |
| 19:01.27 | coldboot | Because I didn't want anyone accepting it while I was working on the fix. |
| 19:01.40 | coldboot | I also squashed my commits into one, so you only see the working one. |
| 19:01.44 | coldboot | I like a clean history. |
| 19:02.45 | coldboot | fiferboy: Hey is superuser.com still in beta? |
| 19:03.19 | fiferboy | coldboot: I will comment on your merge request |
| 19:03.35 | fiferboy | coldboot: It says it is. What is it? |
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| 19:09.01 | lbt | nice design there coldboot very elegant ;) |
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| 19:10.47 | fiferboy | coldboot: proxy widget WAS a good idea |
| 19:10.52 | lbt | I'd suggest some extra text in the description though; something to the effect that this is only expected to be set on toplevel windows as these will always be native |
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| 19:14.04 | fiferboy | lbt: Can you confirm something with the old HIM code? Do you have a Qt maemo install handy? |
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| 19:14.41 | lbt | I have a very old install on diablo |
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| 19:15.17 | fiferboy | lbt: When the keyboard pops up after clicking on an input widget, does it automatically pop down when clicking on a non-input widget? |
| 19:15.39 | lbt | ah, 4.5.2-1maemo1 |
| 19:16.17 | lbt | sec, I have another install |
| 19:16.53 | fiferboy | 4.5.2 is fine, I meant before the HIM changes, sorry |
| 19:17.09 | fiferboy | Without coldboot's changes, that is |
| 19:18.06 | lbt | no, the other install has no Qt on it (bare Diablo) |
| 19:18.09 | lbt | sorry |
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| 19:21.56 | coldboot | lbt: Thanks! |
| 19:22.13 | coldboot | Just ate free cake at work. |
| 19:22.24 | coldboot | superuser.com, stackoverflow.com and serverfault.com are question sites. |
| 19:22.33 | coldboot | They're all made by Joel on Software and Jeff Atwood, and some other dudes. |
| 19:22.53 | lbt | nice |
| 19:22.56 | coldboot | It eliminates the "too many morons replying to the stupid long thread from 800 years ago" problem of asking questions about programming or software. |
| 19:23.01 | amr | superuser looks identical to stackoverflow |
| 19:23.13 | amr | im quite fond of stackoverflow |
| 19:23.28 | coldboot | Stackoverflow.com is for programming, Serverfault.com is for IT stuff, and Superuser.com is for user questions about software. For example, ATI's stupid crap driver questions would be superuser.com |
| 19:23.35 | amr | oic |
| 19:23.52 | fiferboy | coldboot: Do you know if the on-screen keyboard would automatically pop down when a non-input widget was clicked before you made your changes? |
| 19:24.01 | coldboot | fiferboy: I can revert 4.5.0 and check. |
| 19:24.21 | RST38h | And there is still no KillAllHumans.com ? |
| 19:24.23 | RST38h | Weird |
| 19:24.34 | fiferboy | coldboot: That was something I noticed after my one-line change, but couldn't remember the previous behaviour |
| 19:24.49 | RST38h | Ah there is! |
| 19:25.03 | coldboot | killallhumans.com is taken. |
| 19:27.08 | RST38h | there is some strange stuff there too, may be a viral campaign for some movie |
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| 19:27.52 | GAN800 | RST38h, there's a flash clicking game at killeveryone.com I think. |
| 19:28.21 | RST38h | GAN: There is Barrage for the tablet, so I am all set :) |
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| 19:31.19 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah the keyboard goes away when you click a dropdown menu after having been in a text lineedit. |
| 19:32.07 | fiferboy | coldboot: That's what I suspected. Somehow the "close" signal is no longer being sent on non-input widgets |
| 19:32.22 | coldboot | fiferboy: In my fix? |
| 19:32.28 | coldboot | shit |
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| 19:36.38 | fiferboy | coldboot: Maybe because you remove the proxy widget on HILDON_IM_HIDE before the command gets sent? |
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| 19:36.56 | coldboot|console | fiferboy: That's probably it... |
| 19:37.07 | jhford | has anyone ever tried wiring up a power adapter straight to the battery contacts on an n810 |
| 19:37.12 | coldboot|console | fiferboy: I guess I need to remove the proxy after that message is received. |
| 19:37.37 | fiferboy | coldboot: It looks like that would work |
| 19:38.35 | lcuk | jhford, whilst you are trying, i'll phone for ambulance and fire brigade |
| 19:38.42 | lcuk | where abouts do you live/ |
| 19:39.18 | jhford | bay area :) |
| 19:40.00 | lcuk | what are the laws in your area regarding IEDs? |
| 19:40.19 | jhford | :P |
| 19:40.28 | jhford | i would use the same power as a battery obviously |
| 19:40.29 | coldboot|bb | fiferboy: do you know where the message is received? |
| 19:41.11 | lcuk | jhford, the battery terminals on the n810 are bidirectional |
| 19:41.13 | fiferboy | coldboot: The HILDON_IM_HIDE? I assume somewhere in the hildon-input-method code, but I haven't looked through it |
| 19:41.17 | lbt | jhford: IIRC the normal power adaptors can't provide enough current to run the tablet. |
| 19:41.55 | lbt | plus the voltage variation is measured to detect battery characteristics |
| 19:42.00 | jhford | right, but what i want to do is find a power supply that does 1.5mAh at 3.7v (Battery level) and solder it to the battery contacts |
| 19:42.11 | lbt | go for it |
| 19:42.14 | jhford | i don't care about what the charge level says |
| 19:42.20 | lcuk | why not just leave the battery in and use a normal nokia charger? |
| 19:42.27 | jhford | do i need to do anything special for the third pin on the back? |
| 19:42.33 | lcuk | i know its more "sane" |
| 19:42.51 | jhford | lcuk: i am doing automated unit tests and have to reboot after each run. the device doesn't start cleanly with the AC plugged in |
| 19:42.52 | RST38h | jhford: you want to stand as far away from your contraption as possible |
| 19:43.06 | lcuk | then you are doing something even more wrong |
| 19:43.13 | jhford | uhh, no |
| 19:43.16 | lcuk | why not have your console for your unit tests call "reboot" |
| 19:43.29 | RST38h | Lithium based batteries are kinda fiery when they rupture |
| 19:43.37 | lcuk | he wont have the battery in |
| 19:43.41 | lbt | RST38h: he won't have a battery in there |
| 19:43.41 | jhford | cause when AC is plugged in, it doesn't come up cleanly, it does an endless reboot |
| 19:43.42 | lcuk | direct to mains transfer ;) |
| 19:43.49 | jhford | i don |
| 19:43.59 | jhford | t intend to plug a battery to a power adapter?!?!?! |
| 19:44.08 | RST38h | ah |
| 19:44.13 | jhford | i was more wondering why there are three contacts on the battery |
| 19:44.18 | lbt | jhford: the reboot cycle is wrong |
| 19:44.25 | jhford | lbt: oh? |
| 19:44.31 | lcuk | jhford, if your device does not come back from reboot when its in the mains theres something wrong with the device |
| 19:44.33 | lbt | (in a normal tablet with a battery installed etc) |
| 19:44.38 | lcuk | its a normal expected thing to do surely |
| 19:44.45 | jhford | it does sometimes |
| 19:45.01 | lbt | I have issues with mine when Diablo is on the SD card |
| 19:45.04 | jhford | we have ~=20 of them and about 3-4 need manual resets daily |
| 19:45.11 | lbt | flash-based diablo is fine |
| 19:45.26 | lbt | but if the battery is low then SD diablo won't boot |
| 19:45.29 | lbt | weird stuff |
| 19:46.09 | lbt | there are some PDF specs floating around that may give more info on the 3rd pin |
| 19:46.17 | lbt | I think it's a sensor |
| 19:46.19 | lcuk | jhford, so let me get this straight, you want to wire up a whole cluster of tablets to mains instead of battery power |
| 19:46.25 | jhford | lcuk: yes |
| 19:46.25 | lcuk | a clusterbomb of sorts |
| 19:46.41 | jhford | lcuk: 3.7v@1.5Ah is not a cluster bomb :P |
| 19:46.47 | lcuk | *20 is |
| 19:47.11 | jhford | lbt: you wouldn't happen to have a link to the pdf would you? |
| 19:47.24 | lbt | sorry |
| 19:47.34 | lbt | don't even recall the google magic to find it |
| 19:47.39 | jhford | i wonder if the device would work with nothing done to the third pin |
| 19:47.47 | coldboot | fiferboy: There doesn't seem to be a place where HILDON_IM_HIDE is specifically received. |
| 19:49.44 | fiferboy | coldboot: In the hildon-input-method code outside of Qt? |
| 19:49.47 | qwerty12_N810 | jhford: http://qwerty12.qole.org/q12_patch_writable_bootreason.diff (kernel patch) (excuse the shitty code, C isn't one of my specialities, kernel programming less so) and http://pastebin.com/f22deb603 in /mnt/initfs/linuxrc lets the tablet startup normally with the charger in |
| 19:49.49 | fiferboy | coldboot: Or within Qt? |
| 19:50.38 | lcuk | o_O as usual qwerty, you come with a solution that might actually save lives! |
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| 19:50.45 | jhford | qwerty12_N810: awesome! |
| 19:52.10 | asasaki | jhford: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3144 |
| 19:52.18 | qwerty12_N810 | (normally == runlevel 2 and dsme thinking it's been booted by holding the power key, and not from the power adapter) |
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| 19:52.43 | asasaki | jhford: also https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3300 |
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| 19:56.53 | coldboot | fiferboy: Found it, fixing it now. |
| 19:57.41 | fiferboy | coldboot: Awesome |
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| 20:03.11 | ShadowJK | jhford, the middle pin is connected to a simple resistor to indicate battery capacity |
| 20:04.44 | ShadowJK | 3.6 - 4.2V should be fine. The charger puts out >6V though, so don't use that. |
| 20:07.13 | lcuk | nope, not fine |
| 20:07.32 | lcuk | someone put in a 911 call to the bay area ;) |
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| 20:10.03 | ShadowJK | He's not using the battery, so the most he'll do is fry his N810 :-) |
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| 20:12.25 | lcuk | what media player do people use |
| 20:12.40 | lcuk | and are there any that will remotely control one on my windows machine |
| 20:13.09 | till- | vlc with telnet interface :) |
| 20:13.18 | lcuk | (I have a video remote, but thats specific and limited) i am thinking something tied to the player itself and shows/allows selection of music |
| 20:13.53 | lcuk | till-, i gather the remote interface oculd be processed |
| 20:13.57 | lcuk | thats not such a bad idea.. |
| 20:14.24 | ShadowJK | I once hooked up the IR receiver led from a vcr to line-in on a soundcard |
| 20:14.46 | RST38h | And? |
| 20:14.52 | ShadowJK | and wrote decoder for it to use the dead vcr's remote to control mplayer and xmms on my computer |
| 20:14.58 | lcuk | yeah, thats possible, as a remote sender as well |
| 20:15.12 | RST38h | Ah |
| 20:15.18 | lcuk | all it needs is oscilliscope and wav cutter/playback |
| 20:15.21 | RST38h | cunning |
| 20:15.47 | lcuk | someone in here made one for their n810 i think |
| 20:15.47 | johnsq | lcuk: I wrote a lirc -> wav convertor |
| 20:16.38 | till- | try winlirc |
| 20:16.48 | johnsq | stereo connector and 2 ir-leds are enough, nice 9m range. |
| 20:18.31 | ShadowJK | about halfway through making my software, I discovered LIRC had code to support the same contraption. it proved easier to finish my own software hacks than to figure out how to make lirc compile :) |
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| 20:21.42 | ShadowJK | unboxes new earphones :D |
| 20:27.39 | toggles_w | ShadowJK: shiny.. with mic? if so got link? |
| 20:29.04 | ShadowJK | earphones? no mic |
| 20:29.12 | ShadowJK | remote control receiver? no microphones involved |
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| 20:33.07 | ShadowJK | Creative EP-630 |
| 20:36.52 | coldboot | Do you guys know how to update a merge request? |
| 20:36.57 | coldboot | On Gitorious. |
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| 20:38.42 | lbt | coldboot no ... http://blog.gitorious.org/2009/07/15/new-merge-request-functionality/ |
| 20:39.21 | lbt | git push git@gitorious.org:<blah> master:refs/merge-requests/892 |
| 20:39.26 | lbt | so yes |
| 20:39.42 | coldboot | ah nice |
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| 20:56.21 | lbt | coldboot... re function |
| 20:56.26 | lbt | (method!) |
| 20:57.46 | coldboot | heh |
| 20:58.16 | lbt | :) |
| 20:58.58 | lbt | QWidget? |
| 20:59.13 | lbt | how is it called?# |
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| 21:04.56 | coldboot | lbt: Here: http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/commit/54dfbffa83158e4c10c8b843be97efdee1f29fa2 |
| 21:05.29 | coldboot | Search for clearHIMProxyIfHidden |
| 21:05.37 | lbt | johan said something in #gitorious too |
| 21:06.31 | coldboot | Yeah I noticed, I'll try it in a sec when I fix this. |
| 21:06.37 | coldboot | Oh man this has been a while. |
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| 21:22.56 | coldboot | lbt: I don't think qwidget.cpp can include anything from src/gui ... |
| 21:24.43 | lbt | OK, I think the pattern here is to make clearHIMProxyIfHidden a socket |
| 21:24.59 | coldboot | A socket? |
| 21:25.07 | lbt | slot |
| 21:25.19 | coldboot | ah ok |
| 21:25.21 | lbt | err, although... |
| 21:25.46 | lbt | why isn't it keywidget->clearHIMProxyIfHidden(event) ? |
| 21:26.17 | coldboot | That would make sense. |
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| 21:28.03 | coldboot | However I'm still having problems including src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputmethodprotocol.h in qwidget.cpp. |
| 21:29.16 | lbt | see how it was done in the scrolling... |
| 21:29.36 | coldboot | fiferboy's fingerscrolling branch? |
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| 21:29.49 | lbt | yes |
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| 21:35.33 | coldboot | How do I pull mer-fingerscroll? |
| 21:36.02 | coldboot | I tried `git pull mer-fingerscroll` and `git fetch mer-fingerscroll`, but they don't show up in my branches. |
| 21:38.09 | ShadowJK | jhford, the middle pin is just a resistor used for signaling battery capacity |
| 21:38.09 | jhford | ShadowJK: thanks |
| 21:43.20 | ShadowJK | Don't parallell your powersupply with a battery if it turns out the powersupply doesn't supply clean enough power... use a capacitor |
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| 21:50.01 | lbt | you should have it in origin already |
| 21:50.30 | lbt | git checkout --track origin/mer-fingerscroll |
| 21:51.05 | lbt | git remote -v |
| 21:51.33 | lbt | I do git remote rename origin Qt |
| 21:51.47 | lbt | and similarly with your personal remote repo |
| 21:51.55 | lbt | that way you can pull from either one |
| 21:53.18 | coldboot | The git checkout line doesn't work. |
| 21:53.43 | coldboot | Got it |
| 21:54.38 | lbt | gitk --all is your friend |
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| 22:01.06 | coldboot | lbt: I have to edit the build system to put it in QWidget::, there's no -I src/gui/* at all when compiling qwidget.cpp... |
| 22:01.21 | lbt | ugh |
| 22:01.40 | coldboot | http://pastie.org/554185 |
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| 22:03.46 | coldboot | I didn't see anything in fingerscroll. |
| 22:03.59 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.03 | lcuk | - |
| 22:06.14 | coldboot | Andrew pushed a lot of commits to qt-diablo... |
| 22:07.27 | lbt | The problem is jus the #include "inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_p.h" |
| 22:08.47 | coldboot | Yeah |
| 22:09.56 | lbt | why do you need that line? |
| 22:10.48 | coldboot | Because I do a reinterpret_cast of HildonIMActivateMessage |
| 22:11.00 | coldboot | And use HILDON_IM_HIDE |
| 22:11.27 | lbt | not in qapplication_x11.cpp you don't |
| 22:11.56 | coldboot | In qwidget.cpp I do, that's where I'm defining this function that does the cast. |
| 22:12.56 | lbt | OK, I'm looking at old src then |
| 22:14.30 | lbt | have you tried #include private/qhildon... |
| 22:16.03 | lbt | which includes .... include/QtGui/private/qhildoninputcontext_p.h which contains : #include "../../../src/gui/inputmethod/qhildoninputcontext_p.h" |
| 22:16.10 | lbt | which should work |
| 22:16.41 | coldboot | ahhh |
| 22:16.46 | lbt | AFAIK that's autogenerated |
| 22:16.51 | coldboot | Weird. |
| 22:17.04 | lbt | well. complex :) |
| 22:17.27 | lbt | the whole 'private' thing is ... interesting |
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| 22:44.05 | coldboot | lbt: It's been pushed and the merge request updated. |
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| 22:47.58 | coldboot | So the `#include "private/qhildon..." works in 4.5.2, but not 4.5.0. |
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| 23:05.51 | seaLne | hi i was trying to follow the instructions on http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_5_beta_2_sdk_installation/ but osso-af-sb-startup dosen't seem installable due to dependancies on hildon-initscripts which depends on theme-config which claims to be uninstallable am i missing something? |
| 23:07.56 | seaLne | so i can't start the sdk ui |
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| 23:14.48 | seaLne | ah for some reason the non-free apt line had disaperared? weird but sorted anyway |
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