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| 00:06.00 | inklesspen | anyone recommend an emacs-like text editor? |
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| 00:09.50 | Jaffa | inklesspen: emacs, perhaps? |
| 00:11.42 | inklesspen | Jaffa: I worried that it might not work too well on the tablet. |
| 00:11.45 | inklesspen | also, didn't see it in the apps list |
| 00:12.09 | inklesspen | is also looking for Git for the tablet. |
| 00:12.17 | Proteous | joe! |
| 00:12.28 | woglinde | good nite |
| 00:14.02 | Jaffa | inklesspen: Both should be easy to port with http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org </plug>. I think I saw an emacs report announced on talk.maemo.org recently. But you're right about the usability |
| 00:15.39 | inklesspen | ok |
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| 01:26.38 | javispedro | ok, publishing the results for today's "research" :P |
| 01:32.22 | javispedro | must admit, this channel is a dangerous addiction. |
| 01:32.24 | javispedro | but it was fun |
| 01:32.38 | man_in_shack | research? |
| 01:33.39 | javispedro | spent a few hours making jazelle work :P |
| 01:33.42 | man_in_shack | jazelle? |
| 01:34.27 | ds3 | nice, is this for open use or proprietary? |
| 01:34.39 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle |
| 01:34.54 | javispedro | might be for open use |
| 01:35.38 | man_in_shack | ok, apart from a speed boost, why would anyone want to run java in hardware? :P |
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| 01:36.41 | javispedro | because he could? :P |
| 01:37.08 | javispedro | I know, it's not very useful :D |
| 01:37.09 | ds3 | javispedro: may I ask what are you starting with? |
| 01:37.46 | man_in_shack | shudders at developing in java |
| 01:38.09 | javispedro | still prefers java over plain gtk |
| 01:38.35 | javispedro | ds3, mostly nothing. i've just made the hardware run a simple program and that's about it |
| 01:38.48 | man_in_shack | i don't mind python + gtk |
| 01:38.52 | man_in_shack | glade makes it easier |
| 01:39.14 | javispedro | wonders if jazelle might actually be faster than python |
| 01:39.39 | man_in_shack | wonders if python bytecode could be accelerated a la jazelle |
| 01:39.44 | man_in_shack | now THAT would be useful |
| 01:40.19 | ds3 | javispedro: oh so you are not using the ARM docs? |
| 01:40.44 | javispedro | ds3, of course, why? |
| 01:41.40 | javispedro | man_in_shack, that's ThumbEE I think |
| 01:41.41 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle |
| 01:41.48 | javispedro | meant, |
| 01:41.49 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#Thumb_Execution_Environment_.28ThumbEE.29 |
| 01:42.21 | man_in_shack | is that supported and working yet? :) |
| 01:42.32 | javispedro | might on "N900" |
| 01:42.36 | man_in_shack | damn |
| 01:44.15 | javispedro | but python developers says "might not" |
| 01:45.04 | javispedro | night |
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| 03:40.45 | ShadowJK | reads up |
| 03:43.48 | Luke-Jr | wonders if Jazelle helps GCJ-native-compiled Java code |
| 03:45.22 | ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, no |
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| 03:46.10 | ShadowJK | jazelle is kinda like an intepreter in hardware |
| 03:46.24 | ShadowJK | or a partial one atleast |
| 03:46.25 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: you have the docs? ö |
| 03:46.30 | ShadowJK | nope |
| 03:46.56 | Luke-Jr | so how do you know? ⺠|
| 03:47.44 | ShadowJK | on the question of gcj I can say it doesn't help, because the gcc peopel don't have the docs either :) |
| 03:48.28 | Luke-Jr | s/helps/can help/ |
| 03:49.38 | ds3 | jazelle dbx works quite well |
| 03:49.49 | ds3 | just wish there were more things that use it |
| 03:51.10 | ShadowJK | if docs were available, it might benefit java interpreters |
| 03:52.11 | ds3 | might?! it DOES |
| 03:52.36 | ds3 | problem is all the damn paperwork restricting what you can know about it :( |
| 03:52.39 | ShadowJK | Yes well, docs aren't available, so no open source java things support it? |
| 03:52.57 | ShadowJK | and heck, you can't even download closed source java vms that support it? |
| 03:53.11 | ds3 | nope. none zilch. IIRC, performance gain number are not publishable |
| 03:53.26 | ds3 | there are close source VM's that support it |
| 03:54.22 | ShadowJK | a JIT jvm is probably faster :) |
| 03:54.29 | ShadowJK | than a pure jazelle one? |
| 03:54.30 | ds3 | nope |
| 03:54.47 | ShadowJK | "For the avoidance of doubt, distribution of products containing software code to exercise the BXJ instruction and enable the use of the ARM Jazelle architecture extension without [..] agreement from ARM is expressly forbidden." |
| 03:54.52 | ds3 | the jazelle stuff is pretty fast |
| 03:55.12 | ds3 | ShadowJK: where did that come from? |
| 03:56.27 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: good thing ARM can't forbid it except on people agreeing to such terms |
| 03:56.42 | ShadowJK | http://java.sun.com/javame/reference/docs/cldc-hi-2.0-web/doc/release/CLDC_HI-release-notes.html |
| 03:56.55 | ds3 | Oh that file is public |
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| 03:58.12 | ds3 | is that entire package downloadable now? |
| 03:58.21 | ShadowJK | dunno |
| 03:58.45 | ds3 | 'k |
| 03:58.55 | johnx | wonder why google decided to do without jazelle if JIT is so much slower... |
| 03:58.59 | ShadowJK | you know, it'd be awesome start if someone packaged a midp environment for n8x0.. with any jvm behind it :) |
| 03:59.07 | ds3 | until proven otherwise, I'll shutup to not get in trouble |
| 03:59.15 | ShadowJK | johnx, I heard someone say Nokia also doesn't use it |
| 03:59.54 | ds3 | jazelle dbx could turn the 770 into a nice mean javamachine |
| 04:00.40 | ShadowJK | opera mini on Symbian is damn fast in the allegedly non-jazelle jvm :> |
| 04:02.50 | ds3 | but what's the point... jazelle is gone for NIT's after the 810 |
| 04:04.39 | ShadowJK | eh, opera mini is probably faster than tear and microb even if you'd run it fully interpreted with no jazella and not jit |
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| 04:06.52 | johnx | there's some java se trial available for diablo, IIRC |
| 04:06.56 | johnx | most of the things written in java that I have to deal with at work just cause me pain |
| 04:06.58 | johnx | leaves a bad enough taste in my mouth that I have no interest in seeking it out in my spare time |
| 04:07.08 | johnx | I wonder how much of google's android browser is in C and what part is in davlik |
| 04:07.18 | johnx | and replaced with awesome open DSP and fast video :) |
| 04:07.22 | johnx | but that speed comes from server side optimization on opera's part |
| 04:07.28 | johnx | unless I'm mistaken (known to happen) :) |
| 04:08.53 | ShadowJK | doesn't know of any java se software he'd want to run |
| 04:09.29 | ShadowJK | mind, I don't ever remember having a computer capable of running java se stuff without giving the user the desire to stab self in face with a hot jaggy knife |
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| 04:12.22 | MaceSol | man |
| 04:12.27 | MaceSol | i love this vpn shit |
| 04:12.27 | MaceSol | heh |
| 04:12.57 | MaceSol | hope my vaporbook comes with adhoc support and openvpn |
| 04:14.23 | johnx | yeah, I haven't found one either, but I don't think the hardware is the problem |
| 04:14.45 | johnx | you preordered a touchbook? |
| 04:14.59 | ShadowJK | vaporbook, nice name :-) |
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| 04:22.27 | ds3 | just build one |
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| 04:29.14 | ShadowJK | hm, where are the 3D printers the boffins said we'd have soon :-( |
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| 04:32.32 | johnx | not quite at consumer prices right now |
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| 04:33.02 | johnx | I know someone at the local university who has access to one that can print out something in 3ds format roughly the size of an action figure |
| 04:37.06 | johnx | and by access I mean he can print out whatever he wants for personal use. if I get him something nice in 3ds format he said he'd print it for me |
| 04:37.21 | johnx | they have ones that can print in ABS plastic too, which is good enough for a lot of interesting stuff |
| 04:37.44 | ds3 | Dimension? |
| 04:37.50 | ds3 | or Z-corp? |
| 04:38.41 | johnx | dunno the manufacturer |
| 04:38.45 | johnx | it's not mine :) |
| 04:39.38 | ds3 | you can get one for a mere $20K |
| 04:39.50 | johnx | when the ones that can print ABS get down to 4 digit prices I think a lot of interesting uses will come to light |
| 04:39.58 | johnx | but $20K is still kinda steep |
| 04:41.47 | ds3 | there is a cornstarch one that is about $12K |
| 04:42.11 | johnx | which would be cool for prototyping |
| 04:42.20 | EdLin | how about a jello 3d printer, ftw? |
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| 04:43.16 | johnx | but for actually making usable parts ABS is a better fit (unless I don't really know that much about cornstarch based plastics? or jello based plastics :P ) |
| 04:43.21 | EdLin | or better yet, a leggo block dvd player |
| 04:43.26 | EdLin | 3d I men |
| 04:43.42 | EdLin | listening to a podcast talking about dvds and blu-ray. |
| 04:44.11 | MaceSol | windows ce = winmob? |
| 04:44.16 | EdLin | MaceSol: yes |
| 04:44.21 | EdLin | MaceSol: unfortunately |
| 04:44.38 | MaceSol | never used it |
| 04:44.51 | MaceSol | thought ce was better than mob |
| 04:44.58 | MaceSol | or they were different |
| 04:45.16 | johnx | the best windows ever harnessed the best parts of NT, CE and ME :) |
| 04:45.38 | EdLin | I've seen it. Everyone I know who owns it complains about how buggy it is and how they wished they got an iphone or something instead. |
| 04:45.44 | MaceSol | was curious because i wanted to see what ms option there would be for an arm |
| 04:46.02 | MaceSol | like an arm netbook |
| 04:46.18 | MaceSol | they are still debating on making an arm build of win7 |
| 04:46.31 | MaceSol | which is vista that doesnt suck as bad |
| 04:46.45 | EdLin | MaceSol: they could, because after all, NT was originally very portable. |
| 04:47.18 | johnx | yeah, but I dunno what good it would do them |
| 04:47.18 | EdLin | NT had an Alpha version, and a MIPS version, I think a PPC version too. |
| 04:47.38 | EdLin | johnx: it would keep them from losing the netbook market more. |
| 04:47.48 | EdLin | at least that'd be the theory |
| 04:47.57 | johnx | the performance would be unusable, no apps and no drivers |
| 04:48.15 | johnx | even if they've actually been staying really portable behind the seens |
| 04:48.17 | johnx | which I doubt |
| 04:48.24 | EdLin | johnx: there are no apps or drivers for android on ARM netbooks either. |
| 04:48.53 | johnx | more apps than there are for Win7 on ARM |
| 04:49.07 | ds3 | EdLin: what drivers do you think are missing? |
| 04:49.49 | johnx | dunno, how about the powerVR SGX drivers? or OMAP3 DSP support? |
| 04:49.49 | EdLin | ds3: I think he's refering to third-party hardware. If he means the manufactor hardware that'd be taken care of with any OS bundled by the mfr. |
| 04:50.19 | johnx | yeah, but drivers take programmer hours in one place or another. MS doesn't just decide for them to exist |
| 04:50.52 | EdLin | johnx: if it's included with the hardware, it should more or less support the hardware. That is, if MS is serious about W7 on ARM. |
| 04:51.18 | EdLin | johnx: believe me, MS has enough money to write the drivers if they're serious. |
| 04:52.30 | EdLin | but I'm a bit sceptical about W7 on ARM, maybe they'll develop it though now that ChromeOS will support ARM, who knows. |
| 04:53.33 | EdLin | if they're making it to fight chrome-OS, they have a year to make the drivers. |
| 04:53.52 | EdLin | they probably could port Windows Mobile drivers successfully. |
| 04:53.56 | Luke-Jr | I read an article about how ChromeOS/Android were helping Microsoft |
| 04:53.57 | johnx | it would be a huge effort on their part, with totally disastorous results |
| 04:54.14 | EdLin | johnx: I'm not saying it'd be a success. :-) |
| 04:54.29 | man_in_shack | i'm still thinking about writing a replacement for maemo's connection manager that will work with wireless-tools and wpa-supplicant |
| 04:54.31 | Luke-Jr | by creating a chasm between "netbook" and "laptop" that would end up with more people buying the "laptop" |
| 04:54.45 | man_in_shack | so i can replace my wireless driver with one that actually works :P |
| 04:54.49 | EdLin | the only thing MS makes a profit on is Windows and Office. Everything else is to keep people from switching to other platforms. |
| 04:54.51 | Luke-Jr | where Microsoft can charge more for software |
| 04:54.54 | ShadowJK | if they had enough money to write the drivers, maybe they should spend it on 64bit drivers on x86 instead :-) |
| 04:55.41 | man_in_shack | or maybe nokia will open-source connection manager for chinook/diablo |
| 04:55.53 | johnx | there are other connection managers you could use |
| 04:56.03 | johnx | please don't start yet another connection manager project ... |
| 04:56.30 | Luke-Jr | plans to! |
| 04:56.35 | Luke-Jr | they all suck |
| 04:56.37 | Luke-Jr | :þ |
| 04:57.16 | ds3 | Connection manager blows chunks |
| 04:57.18 | johnx | man_in_shack, the fact that Luke-Jr suggests that it's a good idea is a much better warning against it than I could ever give |
| 04:57.38 | Luke-Jr | f u johnx |
| 04:57.42 | johnx | heh |
| 04:57.48 | johnx | yeah WTFever |
| 04:58.09 | ds3 | buggy PoS.... had to toggle options to get that thing to start auto reconnecting again |
| 04:59.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 04:59.40 | man_in_shack | johnx, network-manager's "gtk" version has gnome deps |
| 04:59.43 | EdLin | do the other connection manager replacements support tethering? |
| 04:59.44 | man_in_shack | and wicd is ugly |
| 05:00.01 | man_in_shack | Luke-Jr, keep me posted :D |
| 05:00.11 | Luke-Jr | man_in_shack: it's about 15 years down my todo list |
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| 05:00.23 | man_in_shack | ah, so i'll start on mine then |
| 05:00.27 | Luke-Jr | ok lol |
| 05:00.29 | man_in_shack | and get johnx to do testing for it ;) |
| 05:00.40 | johnx | network-manager does tethering |
| 05:00.42 | ShadowJK | You know what the problem with nokia's connection manager is? it's too damn good. srsly. I wish I could have it on desktop too |
| 05:00.57 | johnx | though on my work netbook I'm using wpa_supplicant set up to roam |
| 05:00.57 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: BS |
| 05:01.00 | ds3 | speaking of tethering, has anyone gotten AP mode working on the NIT's? |
| 05:01.04 | Luke-Jr | anything that requires interval scanning sucks |
| 05:01.04 | johnx | turns out that handles 90% of cases |
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| 05:01.33 | johnx | ds3, no support for it in the drivers. |
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| 05:03.06 | ShadowJK | networkmanager nukes /etc/resolv.conf atleast once a day, and there's no way to teach it what you want it to put there, it just makes shit up :-( |
| 05:03.21 | ShadowJK | (yes there's a bugzilla entry on this somewhere) |
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| 05:03.52 | ShadowJK | unfortunately it takes some time to convince the nm people that it's a bug and not a feature :) |
| 05:03.55 | johnx | every connection manager has to nuke resolv.conf one way or another |
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| 05:04.19 | johnx | s/nuke/control/ but they're synonyms, right? |
| 05:04.29 | ShadowJK | Like when it didn't support static IPs it was a feature until Linus Torvalds spent a week flaming them |
| 05:04.42 | Luke-Jr | ROFL |
| 05:04.55 | ShadowJK | (and nokia's connection manager supports static IPs just nicely, yay) |
| 05:05.17 | EdLin | I was impressed by how user-friendly they made tethering. |
| 05:05.23 | ds3 | johnx: but didn't the driver get released? |
| 05:05.26 | johnx | so comparing the past state of network manager to the current state of a closed source device specific network manager? |
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| 05:05.53 | johnx | ds3, yeah, but I don't think all wireless chipsets support AP mode |
| 05:07.25 | ShadowJK | johnx, well it's only halfway fixed :) It randomly kills networking or switches to dhcp a few times per month for me, as well as the daily /etc/resolv.conf nuke with no way to teach it what to put there :) |
| 05:07.35 | ds3 | 'k |
| 05:08.08 | johnx | ShadowJK, not all the way there for sure, but I think their dev versions are looking nicer than what's shipping now |
| 05:08.28 | johnx | I guess I don't really see the need for *another* network manager, except for that whole NIH thing |
| 05:08.58 | Luke-Jr | johnx: something that WORKS |
| 05:09.26 | ShadowJK | oh and then there was, I don't know if it's fixed now, fun feature that if you take interfaces away from networkmanager and manage them the old way, then nm decides to tell firefox and some other apps that "nope, the internet doesn't exist", and firefox/etc believes it and doesn't even try |
| 05:09.48 | johnx | Luke-Jr, NM works for me on every system I've used it on recently. if it doesn't work for you maybe you could help them fix it to your spec rather than complaining in IRC? |
| 05:10.11 | johnx | ShadowJK, ah, but nokia's thing is even more guilty of that :) |
| 05:10.15 | Luke-Jr | johnx: I assure you, it's MUCH easier to complain on IRC |
| 05:10.54 | johnx | Luke-Jr, I think you beat me to the point I was going to make. does that mean you won the argument? |
| 05:10.57 | ShadowJK | johnx, yeah but nokia's thing seems to actually work so I don't have to manage interfaces manually :) |
| 05:11.00 | Luke-Jr | LOL |
| 05:11.27 | MaceSol | heh |
| 05:11.37 | johnx | ShadowJK, it's just painful dragging maemo code over to a system without Nokia's Connection manager |
| 05:11.37 | MaceSol | google is widdling their way in |
| 05:11.59 | MaceSol | soon they will gain momentum and support and ms will seriously be on their toes |
| 05:13.00 | ShadowJK | or, you know, Chrome OS will be web-based, and people get fed up with it when they discover the wonderful world of latency and packetloss once they step outside google's LAN... |
| 05:13.01 | MaceSol | if they get some people making good games for it then they might realistically be able to give ms a run for its money seeing as games are a major draw to win |
| 05:13.01 | johnx | I think bing.com is a sign that MS is on their toes |
| 05:13.23 | MaceSol | ShadowJK: i think it will also have local type stuff |
| 05:13.35 | johnx | offline web apps |
| 05:13.37 | MaceSol | it cant all be server client based |
| 05:13.42 | MaceSol | johnx: haha |
| 05:13.48 | MaceSol | yah i guess :) |
| 05:14.02 | MaceSol | depends. have to see what theyre trying to do |
| 05:14.08 | MaceSol | so have to wait |
| 05:14.09 | johnx | not that *I'd* want to use them, but they honestly cover a huge chunk lots of people use their computers for |
| 05:14.23 | ShadowJK | it's sad that we live in 2009 and you still have to wait half a minute on some webpages to load all their itsy bitsy tiny pieces of js and css from slowass adservers |
| 05:14.29 | MaceSol | i use chrome on my xp netbook ;) |
| 05:14.43 | MaceSol | it is better than ie and ff imo |
| 05:14.53 | MaceSol | ShadowJK: haha |
| 05:14.59 | Luke-Jr | better than the worst two browsers, oh boy |
| 05:15.00 | MaceSol | so true |
| 05:15.14 | MaceSol | Luke-Jr: better than safari and opera too |
| 05:15.16 | MaceSol | hah |
| 05:15.29 | Luke-Jr | MaceSol: o rly? still not better than Konqueror! |
| 05:15.35 | EdLin | Safari is nice on OS X, it is fail on Windows. |
| 05:15.44 | ShadowJK | Although the websites with monstrously huge blobs of (mostly unrelated) javascript that take half a minute to initialize on a c2q 9550 before the website (and browser) unfreezes are a new modern invention, I guess :) |
| 05:15.46 | johnx | Luke-Jr, did they ever fix that rendering bug on the one bugs page? |
| 05:15.51 | MaceSol | new safari kind of sucks |
| 05:15.53 | MaceSol | brb |
| 05:15.54 | Luke-Jr | johnx: ? |
| 05:16.16 | EdLin | Safari 4 on the Mac is pretty good, I actually use Firefox 3.5 instead. |
| 05:16.23 | johnx | you were trying to file a bug a couple months ago, I was always curious if the problem was a browser rendering glitch or not |
| 05:19.47 | MaceSol | i filed a ton of bugs for maemo |
| 05:19.48 | MaceSol | haha |
| 05:20.00 | MaceSol | then i gave my n800 to Stskeeps |
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| 05:20.51 | MaceSol | unfortunately zimbra seems to base its main client base on ie |
| 05:21.17 | MaceSol | i had to file a bug in order for them to fix the spreadsheet interface for other browsers |
| 05:21.38 | MaceSol | zimbra would be so awesome if it just had the small things fixed |
| 05:21.43 | MaceSol | maybe by 9.0 |
| 05:21.45 | MaceSol | heh |
| 05:22.16 | MaceSol | maybe google will buy it! i know i was worried when ms was thinking about buying yahoo |
| 05:22.41 | MaceSol | because they would have closed all of zimbra off haha and swept it into the garbage |
| 05:22.43 | johnx | in other good browser news: youtube is dropping IE6 support. :) |
| 05:24.31 | MaceSol | lol |
| 05:24.31 | MaceSol | thats good? |
| 05:24.32 | MaceSol | the lower the # .. the better it is |
| 05:24.35 | MaceSol | haha |
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| 05:26.45 | MaceSol | well. going to see about a vpn client for android haha |
| 05:26.59 | MaceSol | that would be neat |
| 05:30.05 | Luke-Jr | MaceSol: Google is even worse than Zimbra |
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| 07:05.55 | ameng | how to use git checkout qemu-omap3 from https://git.maemo.org/projects/qemu |
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| 09:07.27 | lbt | anyone planning on helping with the OBS native-compile packaging for Mer? |
| 09:07.46 | lbt | jeremiah_: ^^ |
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| 09:08.48 | lcuk2 | lol lbt, subtle |
| 09:08.57 | lbt | moi? |
| 09:09.16 | lbt | think he's at debconf :( |
| 09:09.48 | RST38h | ehlo all |
| 09:14.49 | Corsac | sender address rejected |
| 09:16.48 | lbt | hi RST38h... fancy some packaging work for Mer? |
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| 09:29.44 | lcuk2 | hiya Meizirkki, qwerty12 \o |
| 09:29.58 | qwerty12 | hullo lcuk2 |
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| 09:33.42 | lcuk2 | qwerty12, you have ~8 weeks to new college? |
| 09:34.59 | qwerty12 | lcuk2: Yep :) |
| 09:35.46 | lcuk2 | did you get in the one you wanted?> |
| 09:36.10 | qwerty12 | Yes :) |
| 09:38.46 | lbt | which? |
| 09:39.30 | qwerty12 | Havering Sixth Form |
| 09:39.44 | qwerty12 | I have to drag my ass there today actually |
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| 09:42.20 | waswas | Hi, i'm trying to get gtkmm working with maemo |
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| 09:42.46 | waswas | But i cannot find hildonmm or gtkmm package by using apt-get |
| 09:44.25 | qwerty12 | Are you using Scratchbox? If so, do you have the correct entries for Extras in sources.list? |
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| 09:45.20 | waswas | I'm using scratchbox |
| 09:45.35 | waswas | Gotta check what i have inside my sources.list |
| 09:45.51 | qwerty12 | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free |
| 09:47.27 | waswas | thanks |
| 09:47.30 | qwerty12 | Oh, I guess adding "deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free" will make things nicer too |
| 09:48.40 | waswas | Thanks for really fast help :) |
| 09:50.52 | lcuk2 | qwerty12, only you goin, or a few of your mates? |
| 09:51.09 | jeremiah_ | lbt: I'd love to help - limited bandwidth at the moment. |
| 09:51.33 | qwerty12 | lcuk2: Only me. :\ Mates have to go tommorrow (grr...) |
| 09:52.34 | lcuk2 | i didnt mean today, i meant next year itself, sometimes your mates go same place, othertimes you are left to fend for yourself |
| 09:53.05 | qwerty12 | Ah. Yep, I've got a few coming :) |
| 09:53.32 | jeremiah_ | And no debconf for me this year. :( Next year for sure though; New York City, my old hometown. |
| 09:54.00 | lcuk2 | jeremiah_, the package search looks great, all we need is for autobuilder to start running apps and grabbing screenshots (or get them submitted via users after manual install ;)) |
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| 09:59.07 | lbt | jeremiah_: it's a shame - it's really holding back Mer at the moment. And we need some debian packaging knowledge. Are you around on sunday? |
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| 10:00.26 | man_in_shack | bleh, tear is being a bitch |
| 10:00.54 | talig | Hi everyone, is there anyone here that could help me with something re. recompiling the kernel for a Nokia N810? |
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| 10:12.58 | man_in_shack | wtf |
| 10:13.08 | man_in_shack | n810 is not getting dns server address or something |
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| 10:15.54 | wazd | heya maemo |
| 10:18.45 | lbt | X-Fade: does bugzilla allow anonymous email cc's ? |
| 10:20.08 | X-Fade | lbt: Yes and no. |
| 10:20.14 | lbt | :) |
| 10:20.27 | lbt | I have a reporter I was trying to add his email to cc |
| 10:20.31 | X-Fade | lbt: You can configure to hide emails when not logged in for instance. |
| 10:20.32 | lbt | he's not registered |
| 10:20.48 | X-Fade | Ah, yeah you need to be registered. |
| 10:21.00 | X-Fade | Otherwise you would be spamming someone. |
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| 10:21.40 | X-Fade | lbt: As they don't have an option to remove themselves :) |
| 10:21.42 | timelys | Awesome |
| 10:21.48 | amr- | why on earth does my n810 drop wireless after there's been a period of quiet |
| 10:21.52 | amr- | it'll still say it's connected |
| 10:21.57 | amr- | but i can't ping/resolve anything |
| 10:22.18 | timelys | My n81's browser refuses to allow me to delete certain bookmarks |
| 10:22.25 | lbt | X-Fade: OK... |
| 10:22.27 | amr- | badtimes |
| 10:22.58 | lbt | he's registering anyhow... |
| 10:27.23 | lcuk2 | amr-, might be some other problem, i can pickup my 810 after (days) of inactivity and its still all connected and fine |
| 10:27.42 | lcuk2 | finally saw the light and got a router |
| 10:28.06 | adeus | the other side might also disconnet the wireless |
| 10:29.52 | lcuk2 | lbt, whats the holdup, is it purely grunt work? is there no way tobuild and store completed members, or is it vital to build everything every time (and incur the 20+hour delay for those certain packages every single time) |
| 10:31.17 | amr- | lcuk2, hmm how annoying |
| 10:31.23 | amr- | mine seems to die after 20 minutes or something |
| 10:31.30 | amr- | i left it over night and it was still connected |
| 10:31.52 | amr- | but i couldnt actually do anything, internet-wise |
| 10:32.51 | keesj | cool jazelle new! |
| 10:33.18 | X-Fade | hands keesj an 's' ;) |
| 10:33.58 | amr- | lcuk2, where can i find the latest copy of liqbase to have a play with? |
| 10:33.58 | X-Fade | keesj: But interesting indeed. |
| 10:34.01 | amr- | i need to do new things with my tablet :p |
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| 10:44.57 | lbt | lcuk2: it's the same reason scratchbox has /scratchbox/bin/* but we do it better |
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| 14:25.52 | lbt | fiferboy: hi |
| 14:26.17 | fiferboy | lbt: I really like working with git now |
| 14:26.21 | lbt | :) |
| 14:26.24 | coldboot | It's amazing, isn't it? |
| 14:26.28 | lbt | you got the hang of it |
| 14:26.37 | coldboot | Did you read "Git From The Bottum Up"? |
| 14:26.41 | fiferboy | It is once I finally got it, now I don't want to go back |
| 14:26.44 | lbt | yes, I was priviliged to be in at the start |
| 14:26.54 | fiferboy | coldboot: No, I haven't read that one |
| 14:26.56 | coldboot | fiferboy: There really is no reason to use any other version control system. |
| 14:27.09 | coldboot | http://whygitisbetterthanx.com/ |
| 14:27.25 | fiferboy | lbt: I am almost ready to submit a patch for fingerscroll |
| 14:27.35 | fiferboy | overshoot limits (in a functional define) |
| 14:28.12 | lbt | I think fingerscroll should be functional-define bound... overshoots and the like should probably just be 'right' |
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| 14:28.26 | fiferboy | I have been making the changes in a local fingerscroll branch, commiting the change locally, switching to a build branch and merging before building |
| 14:28.43 | lbt | excellent |
| 14:28.48 | lbt | how's that working? |
| 14:28.56 | fiferboy | It works great! |
| 14:29.12 | fiferboy | So, when I am ready to submit do I push from my local fingerscroll branch? |
| 14:29.23 | lbt | do what coldboot did |
| 14:29.34 | fiferboy | Create a clone and request a merge? |
| 14:29.36 | lbt | and create your very own gitorious clone |
| 14:29.41 | lbt | yes |
| 14:29.59 | fiferboy | Alright |
| 14:30.11 | lbt | BTW, I think we should look at the patches in debian/patch and move them to branches |
| 14:30.21 | coldboot | fiferboy: And you want to make sure to merge back to the correct branch, but you need to download from THAT branch. |
| 14:30.23 | lbt | (I mainly think that 'cos they're breaking the Mer build) |
| 14:30.33 | lbt | correct |
| 14:30.52 | fiferboy | When I am switching back and forth between my build branch on fingerscroll branch and doing the local commit |
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| 14:31.05 | fiferboy | It looks like git is treating it all as a single change, which I am fine with |
| 14:31.23 | coldboot | I git pulled origin/qt-diablo, which fully builds debian packages and compiles, but I had to download origin/hildon-input-method and `git cherry-pick` my commits from qt-diablo over to hildon-input-method, then `git push` |
| 14:31.44 | fiferboy | But when I get the overshoot limit finished and start working on the infinite oscillations, I want that as a separate change |
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| 14:31.48 | fiferboy | How do I go about that? |
| 14:31.52 | lbt | coldboot: that's because you didn't commit to the right branch |
| 14:32.01 | lbt | fiferboy: each commit is a change |
| 14:32.15 | lbt | you need to carefully 'squash' if you don't want to do that |
| 14:32.29 | lbt | gitk --all helps see this stuff really well |
| 14:32.31 | coldboot | lbt: So I should have committed to hildon-input-method, I guess, while switching over to qt-diablo before to build and test. |
| 14:32.41 | lbt | coldboot: yes, exactly |
| 14:32.46 | coldboot | Cool |
| 14:32.48 | lbt | but as you saw |
| 14:32.58 | lbt | it's not hard to cherry pick when you cock up |
| 14:33.01 | fiferboy | coldboot: I did it that way, commit to the fingerscroll branch and merge to the build branch to test |
| 14:33.03 | coldboot | I don't know why people use Mercurial if it's missing the staging area and cheap branching. |
| 14:33.27 | coldboot | lbt: Yeah, it's a great feature. |
| 14:33.39 | lbt | fiferboy: I would be very surprised if you have a single change |
| 14:33.55 | fiferboy | lbt: 'git show' shows all the changes as a single 'patch', but that misses the separate commits? |
| 14:34.04 | lbt | git log |
| 14:34.23 | fiferboy | ah, that shows the commits, thanks |
| 14:34.27 | lbt | and you may not want to air your dirty coding in public |
| 14:34.41 | lbt | so squash is worth looking at (I wish I had sometimes!!) |
| 14:35.00 | lbt | it's in git rebase |
| 14:35.01 | fiferboy | So I definitely need to squash, I have way too many changes back and forth for such a simple fix! |
| 14:35.26 | lbt | essentially it does a diff from the 'source' to HEAD |
| 14:35.31 | lbt | then reset to source |
| 14:35.35 | lbt | then applies the diff |
| 14:35.52 | fiferboy | That's what I want. |
| 14:35.53 | lbt | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-rebase.html |
| 14:36.03 | fiferboy | Now, I have to set up my birdlist project to use git! |
| 14:37.01 | lbt | http://blog.madism.org/index.php/2007/09/09/138-git-awsome-ness-git-rebase-interactive |
| 14:37.48 | lbt | coldboot: you wanted to remove a commit too - this is what you could have done |
| 14:38.12 | coldboot | lbt: Squashing them together? |
| 14:38.28 | coldboot | lbt: Oh, git rebase, yeah I figured that one out. |
| 14:38.32 | lbt | no rebase --interactive ^^^ link |
| 14:39.11 | lbt | I wonder if we should rebase mer-fingerscrolling before gnuton merges it ever |
| 14:39.18 | lbt | probably too late |
| 14:39.38 | fiferboy | lbt: You think there are too many commits? |
| 14:39.51 | lbt | it's messy |
| 14:40.12 | lbt | my experimentation with Qt is all in there ;) |
| 14:40.23 | fiferboy | I'm thinking about keeping the infinite oscillations as a feature - it can be relaxing ;) |
| 14:40.45 | lbt | hehe |
| 14:40.51 | coldboot | Yeah I used `rebase -i` and it was amazing. I've always wanted that. |
| 14:41.08 | fiferboy | Of course if you have it oscillating too fast it could make you sick :( |
| 14:41.11 | coldboot | There really is absolutely no reason to use anything other than git. |
| 14:41.30 | coldboot | People say "I don't need all those features and complexity", but I'd say that everyone ends up needing them at some point. |
| 14:41.43 | lbt | I don't know how Windows users use it |
| 14:41.55 | lbt | and Qt is cross-platform |
| 14:42.02 | lbt | and this came up for smartmontools too |
| 14:42.05 | coldboot | I don't know how they use Windows or write code for Windows at all. |
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| 14:43.19 | coldboot | Without GNU tools it's pretty hard to do anything useful. |
| 14:44.08 | lbt | yes, I always use cygwin |
| 14:44.36 | coldboot | lbt: Is there a way to build "in the command shell" from cygwin, and have the output go to cygwin? |
| 14:45.07 | coldboot | For many things, you actually have to run make in cmd.exe, I'm wondering if I can do the equivalent in cygwin, because running make in cygwin brings up compiler errors. |
| 14:46.37 | lbt | I never do things like that on windows... I only use it for worl |
| 14:46.39 | lbt | k |
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| 14:49.15 | coldboot | Like you don't build on it? |
| 14:49.25 | coldboot | I only use it for work, and computer games, but I have to build stuff on it. |
| 14:51.02 | slonopotamus | anyone has problems with pygtk? |
| 14:51.05 | lbt | no, I only use windows to run outlook/office and other work applications. Don't posses a windows machine (>4 years now) |
| 14:51.13 | slonopotamus | i get 'undefined symbol: gtk_about_dialog_get_documenters' on 'import gtk' |
| 14:51.41 | lbt | l8r... off to kick OBS some mot |
| 14:51.44 | lbt | more |
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| 14:57.40 | RST38h | (if you were eating, swallow before following this link) |
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| 15:01.09 | Trunkz | Hi folks. |
| 15:01.24 | Trunkz | I realise this isnt a typical Nokia channel, can someone guide me in the correct direction? |
| 15:01.40 | Trunkz | Trying to basically find out where NSU stores its firmware files, so I can purge them. (Corrupt) |
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| 15:05.30 | fiferboy | coldboot: When you push to your clone, do you just do a 'git push' in the branch you changed? |
| 15:05.48 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah, make sure you're on the right branch. |
| 15:05.49 | fiferboy | And then you do a merge request on that branch to the corresponding qt-maemo branch? |
| 15:05.56 | coldboot | I'm not sure what happens if you git push a branch that doesn't exist. |
| 15:06.01 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah. |
| 15:06.09 | fiferboy | Awesome |
| 15:06.22 | coldboot | fiferboy: And since it's your branch, you can also muck with the history, which the remote repo will reject, but you just do git push --force and it will do it. |
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| 15:06.34 | coldboot | fiferboy: Just make sure nobody really cares that much about your fork. |
| 15:06.43 | fiferboy | I doubt anyone will |
| 15:06.52 | coldboot | s/since it's your branch/since it's your fork/g |
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| 15:10.53 | slonopotamus | how i reinstall package with apt-get? |
| 15:11.10 | qwerty12_N810 | apt-get install --reinstall pkg |
| 15:11.57 | slonopotamus | thx |
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| 15:16.23 | coldboot | When trying to dpkg-buildpackage, I get random compiler errors that aren't always reproducible. |
| 15:16.39 | coldboot | What's with the qt-maemo build system? |
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| 15:17.18 | fiferboy | coldboot: What kind of errors? |
| 15:17.26 | coldboot | In function `WebCore::JSInspectorCallbackWrapper::prepareIncomingValue(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValuePtr) const':bindings/js/JSInspectorCallbackWrapper.cpp:104: undefined reference to `WebCore::JSInspectedObjectWrapper::wrap(JSC::ExecState*, JSC::JSValuePtr)' |
| 15:17.57 | coldboot | And I've had at least 5 other compiler errors in the past, that sometimes went away when you simply did dpkg-buildpackage -nc again. |
| 15:18.21 | coldboot | This is with svn revision 546, though. |
| 15:18.39 | coldboot | The qt-maemo-4.5.0-1maemo2 candidate. |
| 15:19.18 | fiferboy | AREML in scratchbox 1? |
| 15:20.24 | coldboot | ARMEL in scratchbox 2 |
| 15:20.43 | coldboot | Scratchbox 1 and 2 both have their own mostly disjoin, sometimes a union, of heaps of shit about them... |
| 15:22.06 | fiferboy | I've never gotten errors to stop the compile before. |
| 15:22.15 | coldboot | Oh great, doing a dist-upgrade on my device made busybox get uninstalled. |
| 15:22.16 | fiferboy | Good luck linking WebKit, though ;) |
| 15:23.37 | qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: I wouldn't advise rebooting... |
| 15:23.42 | Stskeeps | coldboot: SDK repo installed? :P |
| 15:24.20 | coldboot | Stskeeps: Yeah it's installed. |
| 15:24.28 | coldboot | Stskeeps: Ah, I see the problem now |
| 15:24.37 | coldboot | Well I can't resolve any domain names now. |
| 15:25.09 | coldboot | I need a busybox package so I can install it with dpkg |
| 15:25.22 | fiferboy | coldboot: Do you have to do 'git push origin/mer-fingerscrolling' from the correct local branch? |
| 15:26.12 | fiferboy | Or 'git push origin :' |
| 15:26.13 | coldboot | fiferboy: Just `git checkout mer-fingerscrolling`, then `git push` and it'll know what to do. |
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| 15:26.39 | coldboot | fiferboy: If it tells you your url is wrong, you have to copy the push url to your .git/config |
| 15:26.52 | fiferboy | It says everything is up-to-date... |
| 15:26.59 | coldboot | It'll give you some page to go to, which you have to s/~/\/~/g replace. |
| 15:27.13 | coldboot | fiferboy: Check your fork in Gitorious? |
| 15:27.21 | fiferboy | It doesn't show up |
| 15:27.35 | fiferboy | I did the 'git commit' in my local branch, and it shows in 'git log' |
| 15:27.48 | coldboot | fiferboy: And git branch to see you're on the right branch? |
| 15:27.48 | fiferboy | When I do the push it asks for my ssh passphrase properly |
| 15:27.59 | coldboot | fiferboy: odd... |
| 15:28.00 | fiferboy | Yep, right branch |
| 15:28.39 | coldboot | Maybe try pushing to origin/mer-fingerscrolling |
| 15:29.06 | woglinde | if you have serval remote branches checked out |
| 15:29.16 | fiferboy | Ah, maybe it is because I didn't name my local branch identically to the remote branch... |
| 15:29.18 | woglinde | a simple push will try to update all |
| 15:29.36 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah always do that. |
| 15:29.38 | woglinde | fiferboy yes |
| 15:29.53 | coldboot | How can I get a new busybox to install? |
| 15:30.03 | woglinde | where? |
| 15:30.10 | coldboot | I can't ls on the device anymore, but I can rsync stuff over and run dpkg on the device. |
| 15:30.14 | woglinde | www.busybox.org? |
| 15:30.17 | coldboot | woglinde: On the device. |
| 15:30.17 | javispedro | lol |
| 15:30.20 | fiferboy | That did it, thanks guys |
| 15:30.27 | javispedro | busybox_1.6.1.legal-1osso16_armel.deb |
| 15:30.29 | coldboot | woglinde: No, not there... |
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| 15:30.42 | javispedro | ops, no google hits |
| 15:30.55 | woglinde | hi javispedro |
| 15:31.06 | javispedro | hi :D |
| 15:31.24 | coldboot | javispedro: `apt-get install --reinstall busybox` in scratchbox says it's under another name. |
| 15:31.42 | woglinde | hm why one need busybox in scratchbox? |
| 15:31.46 | javispedro | booting scratchbox... |
| 15:32.00 | coldboot | woglinde: Because that would get me the debian package on my computer, so I can rsync it over. |
| 15:32.01 | javispedro | either way apt-get policy says this comes from updates/diablo-2 |
| 15:32.04 | qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: It's in the password protected catalogue repo |
| 15:32.13 | coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Where's that? |
| 15:32.32 | qwerty12_N810 | catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/diablo |
| 15:32.34 | coldboot | qwerty12_N810: Password protected as in I can get in it? |
| 15:32.43 | javispedro | diablo-2 according to my device |
| 15:33.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, patch for authenticating is in maemo's apt source |
| 15:33.09 | slonopotamus | how do i list all available versions of a package? |
| 15:33.11 | coldboot | Why is it password protected? |
| 15:33.18 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm no coder but even I pieced it together to get the password |
| 15:33.33 | woglinde | slonoo better use apt-cache search |
| 15:33.39 | coldboot | Do you know the username and password? |
| 15:33.46 | javispedro | or apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 15:34.13 | javispedro | can't do apt-get from the tablet, coldboot? |
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| 15:34.33 | javispedro | at least apt-get --download |
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| 15:36.11 | fiferboy | Yay, first merge request :) |
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| 15:39.40 | coldboot | Okay now I can't rsync to the stupid device because it's saying the password is wrong for root, but I just set it with passwd |
| 15:39.48 | coldboot | oh wait, nevermind |
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| 15:40.10 | coldboot | Yeah, it is being retarded. |
| 15:40.22 | coldboot | The root password was just set, and it's not working with rsync... |
| 15:40.40 | javispedro | well, don't use root :P |
| 15:41.27 | coldboot | No passwords work now. |
| 15:42.35 | javispedro | rsync might spawn a shell |
| 15:43.22 | javispedro | even connecting the usb cable spawns a shell, so you're pretty fsck |
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| 15:48.14 | javispedro | coldboot: I'd suggest finding any armel busybox binary (preferably statically linked) uploaded on the www, hope you have a root shell opened, use maemo-mini-curl to download it, put it in /bin/busybox, symlink ls, cat, and a few more to it, then try to apt-get download busybox again. |
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| 15:51.55 | woglinde | hm i wonder why its to hard for navit folks to put it up under extras-devel |
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| 15:55.56 | lcuk2 | is it possible to sell otu of software thats not even been made yet? |
| 15:56.00 | lcuk2 | out ^ |
| 15:56.41 | lcuk2 | :O |
| 15:56.48 | lcuk2 | http://hothardware.com/Articles/Asus-Eee-PC-T91-SwivelScreen-Netbook-Review/ |
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| 15:57.42 | coldboot | javispedro: I can't mark it as executable... |
| 15:58.24 | javispedro | coldboot: try $ /lib/ld-linux.so.3 /bin/busybox chmod -h |
| 15:58.35 | javispedro | s/bin/path_to_/ |
| 15:59.08 | coldboot | Busy box cannot open shared object file |
| 15:59.32 | javispedro | oh, statically linked as I said :p |
| 15:59.39 | coldboot | ah |
| 15:59.48 | javispedro | no, my fault |
| 16:00.22 | javispedro | dunno, which binary you used? |
| 16:00.34 | coldboot | I think I'm going to reflash. I know this rabbit hole is deep. |
| 16:00.45 | coldboot | javispedro: The one from the debian package. |
| 16:00.48 | lbt | hey fiferboy I rejected your request :) |
| 16:00.53 | javispedro | so it's shared |
| 16:00.58 | coldboot | Yeah |
| 16:00.59 | lbt | a) I think it should be different |
| 16:01.07 | lbt | b) I want to see what happens |
| 16:01.15 | coldboot | How do you guys flash a nokia device to system default? |
| 16:01.27 | qwerty12_N810 | ~flashing |
| 16:01.28 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:01.43 | coldboot | ~dancing |
| 16:01.44 | infobot | dancing is probably of the devil |
| 16:01.49 | coldboot | hahaha |
| 16:01.52 | coldboot | ~food |
| 16:01.52 | infobot | methinks food is essential to life, or made from human flesh |
| 16:01.53 | javispedro | infobot's probably has the code that runs that (~flashing) on cache |
| 16:02.04 | javispedro | 24h a day |
| 16:02.05 | coldboot | ~sauce |
| 16:02.06 | infobot | Paranoid anti-spam mailserver. URL: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ian/sauce/ |
| 16:02.14 | woglinde | ~bacon |
| 16:02.15 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 16:02.16 | coldboot | Is that an I'm feeling lucky query? |
| 16:02.25 | coldboot | ~kernel |
| 16:02.37 | javispedro | now that's sick |
| 16:02.40 | coldboot | Wow |
| 16:02.45 | coldboot | Those were all random guesses. |
| 16:02.53 | javispedro | ~sudo |
| 16:02.54 | infobot | well, sudo is (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html, or good for ordering sandwiches, or not pseudo |
| 16:02.58 | coldboot | ~gates |
| 16:02.58 | infobot | i guess gates is the evil dweeb running Microsoft or a man wanting to send us all through the Gates of Hell |
| 16:03.05 | woglinde | counts the seconds when lcuk will react |
| 16:03.12 | coldboot | ~infobot |
| 16:03.13 | infobot | i heard infobot is a hack!, or known to have only said one useful thing. a tool, or dating the fembots, or [TK]D-Fender's b*tch, or suck, or a pain in the ass |
| 16:03.29 | coldboot | This is awesome. |
| 16:03.36 | coldboot | ~car |
| 16:03.37 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, car is a very beautifull piece of craft |
| 16:03.44 | coldboot | ~axe |
| 16:03.45 | infobot | hmm... axe is an editor for X. ; [non-free], or "Oh my god! There's an axe in my head" http://www.yamara.com/junk/xl970512.html |
| 16:03.54 | lbt | introduces coldboot to Eliza and waits for the kids... |
| 16:04.11 | coldboot | So infobot has this huge list of things... |
| 16:06.04 | javispedro | coldboot: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/busybox-static |
| 16:08.44 | coldboot | javispedro: Thanks! |
| 16:08.52 | javispedro | na, you'll need to find some other way to give it permissions ,since the dynamic linker trick can't be used for static binaries |
| 16:09.11 | coldboot | oh lovely |
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| 16:13.37 | javispedro | must admit, if I were to buy one of those netbooks, the T91 would be the first one I'd check |
| 16:14.19 | javispedro | "We fully understand that putting a capacitive touchscreen in here may have been impossible given the cost and size constraints of a netbook, but the soft, mushy resistive screen just feels inferior. " |
| 16:14.22 | javispedro | of course.... |
| 16:14.47 | javispedro | specially considering it's running windows-plain-small-buttons edition |
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| 16:15.35 | glass | javispedro: hehe |
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| 16:16.05 | glass | javispedro: used a sony xperia? |
| 16:16.17 | javispedro | nop |
| 16:16.28 | glass | javispedro: the resolution makes the wm ui tinyyy |
| 16:16.47 | javispedro | even more than the nit's ? |
| 16:17.26 | glass | javispedro: even more so |
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| 16:18.43 | javispedro | it's funny. the only laptop I've ever "had" it's now slower, way larger, and has less battery life than the n810. |
| 16:19.00 | coldboot | I've got this: RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, and flasher-3.0 is saying it's got "Invalid FIASCO subblock count (2)" |
| 16:20.25 | woglinde | hm |
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| 16:24.25 | coldboot | Several binaries say the same thing. |
| 16:24.49 | javispedro | never seen that, maybe corrupted download? |
| 16:25.00 | coldboot | Not likely, I downloaded three binaries. |
| 16:26.11 | coldboot | flasher-dapper is broken |
| 16:26.27 | coldboot | flasher-3.0 works |
| 16:27.28 | andre__ | coldboot, what is the exact command that you used to flash? |
| 16:28.35 | GAN800 | coldboot, try 3.5? |
| 16:30.03 | andre__ | coldboot, and if 3.5 doesn't work, file a bug report... |
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| 16:30.53 | coldboot | flasher.dapper is broken, I did `flasher.dapper -F <FIASCO image> -f -R` and it said the FIASCO subblock error, then I did `flasher-3.0 -F <FIASCO image> -f -R` and it worked fine. |
| 16:31.16 | andre__ | did you try flasher 3.5? |
| 16:31.49 | coldboot | nope |
| 16:32.02 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 16:32.21 | timeless_mbp | why doesn't changing scrollbar position cause application manager's scrollbar position to flip if it's running? |
| 16:32.31 | timeless_mbp | (it changes the next time it is launched) |
| 16:32.36 | timeless_mbp | (mer) |
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| 16:39.34 | coldboot | How do you install ssh on a new device? |
| 16:40.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Enable Extras from the Application Manager, and "openssh" should be available in the applications list |
| 16:43.12 | RST38h | moo all |
| 16:43.16 | woglinde | jo rst |
| 16:43.22 | qwerty12_N810 | Hullo RST38h |
| 16:44.09 | RST38h | ehlo ehlo |
| 16:55.08 | fiferboy | lbt: Ah, my first merge request denied! :( |
| 16:55.15 | fiferboy | lbt: How do you think it should be done? |
| 16:55.25 | lbt | did it not have a message? |
| 16:55.34 | fiferboy | lbt: Yep, I see it now |
| 16:55.51 | fiferboy | I was wondering about the two different ways of doing the defines... |
| 16:55.53 | lbt | Wanted to see what happened (and it makes sense too) |
| 16:55.59 | lbt | I used to do #defines |
| 16:56.04 | lbt | but it's a C-ism |
| 16:56.21 | lbt | the other way is namespace clean and typesafe too |
| 16:56.39 | coldboot | How do you get colorized ls on the nokia devices? |
| 16:56.41 | fiferboy | What about the LIMIT_OVERSHOOT define? |
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| 16:58.15 | lbt | In general a commit should be clean |
| 16:58.42 | lbt | oh, wait |
| 17:00.02 | lbt | personally I don't think you need it - I can't see a situation we'd ever allow unlimited overshoot |
| 17:00.05 | woglinde | coldboot compile your busybox |
| 17:00.11 | woglinde | with the right options |
| 17:00.13 | woglinde | *g* |
| 17:00.25 | lbt | but it's a #define used by #ifdef |
| 17:00.40 | fiferboy | Ah, I get the difference |
| 17:00.43 | lbt | so that's different and has to be done in the preprocessor |
| 17:00.47 | woglinde | codereview |
| 17:00.58 | fiferboy | Do you think I should take it out and resubmit? |
| 17:01.12 | lbt | I would |
| 17:01.30 | lbt | If I was a Qt bod I wouldn't want to see it there |
| 17:01.33 | coldboot | woglinde: Nokia should have done that right in the first place. I don't get why everyone forgets colors. |
| 17:01.36 | fiferboy | Will do. So now my merge request will be two commits? Or should I squash them to one? |
| 17:01.50 | lbt | squash them |
| 17:02.07 | lbt | there's no point in showing the 'rejected' one |
| 17:02.24 | lbt | what you *might* do |
| 17:02.29 | fiferboy | Do you want me to fix the OVERSHOOT_DECEL_PC and REBOUND_ACCEL defintes too? |
| 17:02.34 | lbt | is a 2nd commit fixing my bad code |
| 17:02.39 | lbt | yes, those two |
| 17:02.49 | fiferboy | As a separate commit. Sure. |
| 17:02.55 | lbt | make sense? |
| 17:03.04 | fiferboy | Yep, I can do that. |
| 17:03.19 | coldboot | Why is the /etc/apt/sources.list blank on a flashed device? |
| 17:03.42 | lbt | I feel happy accepting merges onto this branch BTW -- I'd like gnuton to accept coldboot's merge request |
| 17:04.28 | fiferboy | Will the "mer" team clone of qt-maemo automatically get all merges from that project? |
| 17:06.25 | lbt | no, I have to do that manually |
| 17:06.32 | lbt | well, |
| 17:07.01 | lbt | if a merge request gets accepted in qt then I'll have to sync the repos manually |
| 17:07.15 | lbt | if it's rejected in Qt and we want it in Mer |
| 17:07.21 | lbt | then you have to submit it to me |
| 17:07.40 | lbt | and I'll ask you to put it in a mer branch |
| 17:08.12 | fiferboy | Sounds reasonable |
| 17:08.30 | lbt | actually, I may well take ownership of mer- branches in qt-maemo |
| 17:08.51 | lbt | then when gnuton takes them for fremantle |
| 17:08.58 | lbt | we'll rename them |
| 17:09.00 | fiferboy | The maemo 'git' in scratchbox doesn't have interactive rebase :| |
| 17:09.07 | javispedro | coldboot: it's all in sources.list.d folder |
| 17:09.11 | fiferboy | I have to do it outside of sb |
| 17:09.18 | lbt | heh... Mer has proper tools |
| 17:09.33 | lbt | Mer SDK is a full environment when you get it |
| 17:10.10 | woglinde | clodboot apt defines are in /etc/sources.d |
| 17:10.15 | lbt | the main blocker for a Mer SDK is that OBS doesn't support apt-get source :( |
| 17:10.15 | lcuk2 | digs |
| 17:10.27 | woglinde | jo lcuk |
| 17:10.37 | lcuk | jello woglinde \o |
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| 17:13.19 | fiferboy | interactive rebase is awesome |
| 17:14.08 | woglinde | fiferboy yes |
| 17:14.11 | woglinde | definitly |
| 17:14.17 | woglinde | edit pick squash |
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| 17:14.32 | fiferboy | You can even reorder commits and remove selected ones |
| 17:14.52 | woglinde | git reflog rockz too |
| 17:14.55 | fiferboy | That makes squashing things into logical patches eash |
| 17:15.00 | woglinde | so you mostly dont loose anything |
| 17:15.25 | woglinde | even after git reset --hard |
| 17:17.07 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, http://liqbase.net/acmonitor_liq.c |
| 17:17.19 | qwerty12_N810 | Thank you |
| 17:19.56 | javispedro | nice idea (switching to performance on ac charger connected) |
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| 17:21.23 | derf | lcuk: It would be nice if you would include my name and copyright on that code. |
| 17:22.29 | lcuk | did i remove it? |
| 17:22.41 | derf | No, I tend to be fairly lax about remembering to put it in myself. |
| 17:22.52 | derf | But when it shows up somewhere else, it's time. |
| 17:23.22 | lcuk | thats a damned good point, i'd forgotten i had done it and qwerty asked before |
| 17:23.26 | lcuk | just a mo, lemme pull it |
| 17:23.39 | lcuk | derf, gimme homepage for it |
| 17:23.44 | lcuk | ill add a comment at head |
| 17:24.00 | lcuk | would not want to take away from your excellent work :) |
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| 17:26.41 | derf | It never had its own page, but http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/projects.html#acmonitor should do. |
| 17:26.54 | woglinde | so now time heading home |
| 17:27.08 | lcuk | name and email |
| 17:27.17 | derf | At the top of the page. |
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| 17:31.44 | coldboot | fiferboy: Just install it from scratch. |
| 17:32.08 | fiferboy | coldboot: Install what? |
| 17:32.15 | fiferboy | Oh, git in scratchbox? |
| 17:32.16 | coldboot | fiferboy: I mean install git from source. |
| 17:32.51 | fiferboy | One of the cool things about git is I can access it from a separate terminal session and use the interactive rebase of the ubuntu git |
| 17:33.08 | fiferboy | More work, but it is cool |
| 17:33.27 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah that's just git being a program that reads stuff on your hard drive. |
| 17:34.22 | lcuk | derf, qwerty12_N810 http://liqbase.net/acmonitor_liq.c |
| 17:34.23 | fiferboy | I'm impressed that it doesn't break anything in either session and doesn't need to be refreshed or anything, but I guess you are right |
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| 17:35.34 | lcuk | and derf, thank you for writing it in the first place so i could hack a bit at it :$ :D |
| 17:37.21 | derf | lcuk: Thanks. I'm actually amazed someone still finds it useful two years later. |
| 17:37.34 | fiferboy | lbt: So I rebased and squashed my patch into one commit |
| 17:37.35 | GAN8001 | Random thought for somebody to ponder on: The wiki licensing needs to be figured out with Nokia moving their docs to it. |
| 17:37.49 | fiferboy | When I push to gitorious will the commit history be the same as my clone repo? |
| 17:38.11 | lcuk | derf, its always easier to bend a concise piece of code which suits your needs than reinventing the wheel |
| 17:38.18 | fiferboy | /s/clone repo/local clone repo/ |
| 17:38.33 | lcuk | knows from bitter experience |
| 17:38.48 | lcuk | set himself such an uphill challenge |
| 17:40.34 | lcuk | waves at GeneralAntilles o |
| 17:40.41 | lcuk | you raging tonight, or calm? |
| 17:44.15 | GeneralAntilles | The weather's too hot and I'm only just less than halfway through my work week. |
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| 17:45.46 | lcuk | heh - so raging at customers to pass the time :D |
| 17:46.18 | GeneralAntilles | Irrelevant questions and information may be the death of me. |
| 17:46.29 | lcuk | tracy lost her book in the bedroom the other night |
| 17:46.35 | lcuk | and she couldnt remember the name of it |
| 17:46.43 | GeneralAntilles | The next person to ask me (or tell me) "If you can look up books in the computer" is going to die. |
| 17:46.56 | lcuk | ooh technology! |
| 17:47.32 | lcuk | what sort of stuff do they want tho - is it still vague and random |
| 17:47.35 | lcuk | "its blue" |
| 17:47.36 | GeneralAntilles | Or when they give you a half-dozen irrelevant and useless pieces of information before they get to actually telling you the title or author. |
| 17:48.08 | coldboot | Where do you work? |
| 17:48.29 | lcuk | tracy said "yeah, but thats even if they know the title or auther" |
| 17:48.30 | GeneralAntilles | "It's out of print." (it's really not) "I think it was printed in 1924 or so, and it's probably paperback." |
| 17:48.40 | GeneralAntilles | coldboot, giant ass new/used bookstore. |
| 17:48.56 | lcuk | you must have some wicked books in there tho :$ |
| 17:49.00 | lcuk | undiscovered jewels |
| 17:49.08 | lcuk | "irc for dummies" |
| 17:49.24 | qwerty12_N810 | "How to murder annoying customers, Florida style" |
| 17:49.24 | fiferboy | "git for computer scientists" |
| 17:49.33 | RST38h | "Healthy Relationship For Dummies" |
| 17:49.37 | GeneralAntilles | I've been coveting a signed copy of Slaughterhouse Five. |
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| 17:49.39 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO that brings thoughts of horatio |
| 17:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | I need a t-shirt that says "Just tell me the title." |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glvGfQnx3DI |
| 17:51.11 | RST38h | http://www.onastick.net/sitz/images/orabanms2.gif |
| 17:51.17 | coldboot | I figured it out! |
| 17:51.24 | coldboot | The ideal way to give focus to windows. |
| 17:51.39 | coldboot | If you start a program, and the fucking program doesn't come up in under 1 second, it doesn't get focus when it finally creates a damn window. |
| 17:52.11 | GeneralAntilles | goes back to work. |
| 17:52.12 | lcuk | it should be dropped |
| 17:52.18 | lcuk | emails sent to everyone and code removed |
| 17:52.23 | lcuk | lag is horrible |
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| 17:53.36 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:54.00 | fiferboy | coldboot: When I rebase a commit and push it to my clone repo will the commit history be the same as my local repo (ie, no new commits on the server if I squashed the changes)? |
| 17:54.55 | coldboot | Yeah, the remote repo will mirror yours. It won't add changes on, and keep the old commits. |
| 17:55.05 | fiferboy | Excellent! |
| 17:55.11 | coldboot | But it will complain that it's rejecting your push, you have to --force it. |
| 17:55.21 | coldboot | This is git's way of telling you that you're mucking with the history remotely. |
| 17:55.43 | fiferboy | But since it is a clone that nobody cares about, I don't care about that |
| 17:55.52 | coldboot | Exactly. |
| 17:57.55 | fiferboy | gitorious shows it as two separate pushes but one commit, that's kind of weird |
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| 17:59.28 | coldboot | Maybe because you pushed twice... |
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| 18:02.33 | fiferboy | Yes. They show different SHA numbers but go to the same commit. It just looks strange |
| 18:03.09 | coldboot | hmm |
| 18:04.20 | fiferboy | It looks like it is the same in your repo, more pushes than commits |
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| 18:06.05 | javispedro | I'm ok with Jazelle not handling put/getfield, but getfield_quick... c'mon! |
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| 18:12.43 | pablo_ | maemo , does have cmake2.6 patch 4 ??? |
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| 18:24.11 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, knowing what i know now - on the n800 (os2007), it should be possible to just try to force an install of liqbase with dpkg -i shouldnt it |
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| 18:25.28 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I guess you'd at least have to --force-depends. But why not just set up a Bora SDK? :) |
| 18:25.56 | lcuk | cos im a lazyshitbag |
| 18:26.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Valid reason :P |
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| 18:29.28 | lbt | fiferboy: hi... this doesn't look quite right... |
| 18:29.40 | fiferboy | Ok |
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| 18:30.02 | lbt | the laste merge request was for commit 0b2a40a |
| 18:30.25 | fiferboy | lbt: D'oh, wasn't watching what I was doing |
| 18:30.37 | fiferboy | Reject that one please :( |
| 18:30.42 | lbt | sure :) |
| 18:30.50 | lbt | this is good stuff though ;) |
| 18:31.07 | fiferboy | I'll get that hang of this soon, I just need to pay attention when creating the request |
| 18:31.54 | lbt | hmm |
| 18:31.58 | lbt | your branch looks good |
| 18:32.03 | lbt | http://qt.gitorious.org/~fiferboy/qt/fiferboys-clone/commits/mer-fingerscroll |
| 18:32.38 | lbt | I'm surprised it made a request based on the old commit |
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| 18:33.34 | fiferboy | My new merge request selected the wrong commit too! After I had the right one selected when creating... |
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| 18:34.41 | fiferboy | Maybe I can only have one commit pending at a time? This new request was definitely the right one when I selected it. |
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| 18:36.57 | lbt | hmm |
| 18:37.00 | lbt | all now rejected |
| 18:37.13 | lbt | you just did another? and it was the same? |
| 18:37.19 | fiferboy | I see that. I wonder why it won't let me use the most recent commit |
| 18:37.21 | lbt | maybe ask over in #gitorious |
| 18:37.29 | fiferboy | lbt: Yup, this time it was the correct commit. |
| 18:37.40 | fiferboy | Strange it won't let me select two commits for the merge either |
| 18:38.14 | fiferboy | Do I need to create the merge request from the qt-maemo project? |
| 18:38.24 | lbt | no, it merges everything to the commit as head |
| 18:39.38 | disco_stu | someone knows if rtcomm msn support is broken ? |
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| 18:40.38 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N810, u know something ? |
| 18:41.33 | qwerty12_N810 | No, sorry, I don't have rtcomm installed |
| 18:42.02 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N810, btw.. how are you ? |
| 18:42.46 | qwerty12_N810 | disco_stu: I'm good, thank you, how about you? |
| 18:43.07 | disco_stu | qwerty12_N810, fine =) nice to hear that |
| 18:43.25 | lcuk | HOLY FSCK! |
| 18:43.28 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, are you ill? |
| 18:43.56 | lcuk | you are the person google goes to when they can't answer something |
| 18:44.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Pretty sure I'm not ill... |
| 18:44.25 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:44.31 | lcuk | swine flu! |
| 18:44.32 | fiferboy | lbt: When I select the most recent commit in the merge request, it automatically selects both |
| 18:44.57 | fiferboy | But it looks like the request specifies the first commit |
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| 18:47.58 | lbt | ah, hold on, did you reset your branch? |
| 18:48.54 | fiferboy | reset it when? |
| 18:49.01 | fiferboy | After I committed but before I pushed? |
| 18:49.04 | coldboot | Should qhildoninputcontext_x11.cpp have so many dependencies that a change takes 15 minutes to recompile? |
| 18:49.10 | lbt | no |
| 18:49.26 | coldboot | Is it qt-maemo's build system at fault, or Qt? |
| 18:49.26 | lbt | I think you need to go to 3e58f70 and create a new branch there |
| 18:49.40 | lbt | then cherry pick the 2 commits you want |
| 18:49.49 | johnsq | coldboot: don't use gnu ++ |
| 18:49.51 | lbt | and rename that branch to mer-fingerscroll |
| 18:50.13 | lbt | coldboot: sounds right sadly |
| 18:50.15 | coldboot | johnsq: Use what instead? |
| 18:50.31 | fiferboy | lbt: Okay, how do I go to 3e58f70? |
| 18:50.37 | johnsq | coldboot: i don't know, but new gcc are slow as hell and g++ is even more slower |
| 18:51.03 | johnsq | coldboot: better build compile farm :) |
| 18:51.12 | lbt | git checkout 3e58f70 |
| 18:51.19 | lbt | (full #) |
| 18:51.21 | fiferboy | Thanks |
| 18:51.35 | lbt | then git checkout -b tmp-fs |
| 18:51.45 | lbt | then cherry pick onto that |
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| 18:52.10 | lbt | which essentially creates a commit chain from 3e58f70 + the 2 commits you want to merge |
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| 18:52.39 | lbt | then rename mer-fingerscroll to old-fs |
| 18:52.56 | lbt | then rename (branch -m) tmp-fs to mer-fingerscroll |
| 18:52.58 | coldboot | johnsq: Because it's scratchbox 2, it's using gcc 3.4.4 |
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| 18:55.15 | lbt | address me if you need me fiferboy |
| 18:55.25 | fiferboy | I think I got it, thanks |
| 18:57.07 | javispedro | everything run inside sb2 is also slow down, dunno why, cause sb1 didn't slow down at all (it was actually faster than my host compiler) |
| 18:57.17 | javispedro | (yes I know about ccache) |
| 18:57.23 | GAN800 | qwerty12_N810 is always illin'. |
| 18:58.02 | qwerty12_N810 | Damn, who told you how I roll? |
| 19:00.57 | fiferboy | lbt: It just did the same thing. Right after I submit the merge request it brings me to a screen that shows both commits in the request, then that page magically updates and it only shows the first one |
| 19:01.13 | fiferboy | I just deleted my new merge request, for some reason this isn't working |
| 19:01.57 | lbt | now that looks more sane in http://qt.gitorious.org/~fiferboy/qt/fiferboys-clone/commits/mer-fingerscroll |
| 19:02.29 | fiferboy | Can we just do a pull without a merge request? Is the request just a notification system? |
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| 19:04.17 | coldboot | fiferboy: We've got a proplem. |
| 19:04.24 | coldboot | fiferboy: There's a bug in the solution to the flicker bug. |
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| 19:04.33 | fiferboy | coldboot: What's the problem? |
| 19:04.36 | coldboot | And I've tested it *without* my refactoring. |
| 19:04.42 | coldboot | So it's just the one-liner causing it. |
| 19:04.58 | fiferboy | What bug? |
| 19:04.58 | coldboot | When I have a popup window in our application, with various dropdowns and a text input box. |
| 19:05.18 | coldboot | When you click the text input box, you see a flash (of course, because it's converting it to native). |
| 19:05.30 | coldboot | But then all of the other items in the popup become unresponsive. |
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| 19:05.44 | coldboot | They actually don't receive events at all, and click events go through them into the screen below. |
| 19:05.57 | fiferboy | Hmmm |
| 19:06.24 | fiferboy | I have the same set up in my app (dialog on top with input fields) I'll test it too |
| 19:06.39 | coldboot | okay cool |
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| 19:12.44 | coldboot | How do you branch off a past commit? |
| 19:13.15 | coldboot | Just check out that commit and branch, I guess. |
| 19:13.19 | lbt | checkout -b branch <commit> |
| 19:13.19 | fiferboy | git checkout -b new <commit#> |
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| 19:17.49 | lcuk | coldboot, whack a mole ;) |
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| 19:18.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm starting to realize why docpurge just goes rm -rf.. it's a lot faster, heh |
| 19:19.03 | fiferboy | lcuk: I get it this time |
| 19:19.58 | lcuk | i once made a tiny change in one of our systems at work. i paid for it for the next 3 months till i reverted it and swore of ever making something quick again lol |
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| 19:20.30 | fiferboy | lcuk: But, but, but... it's just one line! :) |
| 19:20.44 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:21.28 | lcuk | some of our customers call us and ask why it costs so much to make mods to their system (after I said, ahh yeah i can change this now) |
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| 19:21.40 | lcuk | i said, yeah we dont do much, a few lines here or there |
| 19:22.03 | lcuk | its not the changes themselves, its knowing which lines to change and how they effect the rest of the system |
| 19:22.29 | fiferboy | Truer words were never typed |
| 19:23.59 | lcuk | so what if i say it was kylie minogue on the phone and she paid for the mods with sex? |
| 19:24.31 | lcuk | crosses fingers |
| 19:25.10 | qwerty12_N810 | wonders if Mrs. lcuk ever reads the logs |
| 19:25.38 | fiferboy | coldboot: I have a main window with a tableview and a toolbar, and some different dialogs that popup with input fields |
| 19:25.41 | lcuk | how do you know mrs lcuk isn't kylie ;) |
| 19:25.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Who'd wanna come to the North? |
| 19:26.03 | fiferboy | coldboot: When I click on the table view there is no flicker (expected) |
| 19:26.18 | coldboot | fiferboy: Now bung it all up with clicking the text box. |
| 19:26.24 | fiferboy | coldboot: When I pop up a dialog I can click an input field with my stylus and the stylus keyboard comes up |
| 19:26.34 | lcuk | she has visited manchester a few times |
| 19:26.36 | fiferboy | When I type on the stylus keyboard, the characters go into the text field |
| 19:26.40 | lcuk | finished one of her tours here |
| 19:26.53 | fiferboy | If I switch text fields the stylus keyboard stays up and the new text field accepts input |
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| 19:27.22 | coldboot | I mean click the text box to get the keyboard, then close the keyboard, then try to select a dropdown or tableview. |
| 19:27.34 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, me talking about kylie is about the same as tracy talkin about bruce willis lol |
| 19:27.45 | qwerty12_N810 | hehe |
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| 19:28.09 | fiferboy | If I get the keyboard, type, and close it I can still activate drop downs, date selectors and the table view |
| 19:28.42 | fiferboy | Table view selection works, context menus, scrolling |
| 19:28.54 | coldboot | fiferboy: Hmmm. |
| 19:29.54 | fiferboy | The one problem I see is when the keyboard is open and you switch to a widget that does not accept input, the keyboard stays up and input goes to the last focused widget |
| 19:30.07 | fiferboy | I understand why that is happening, and think it should be an easy fix |
| 19:30.15 | fiferboy | I can't explain what you are getting, though |
| 19:31.48 | fiferboy | coldboot: How is your program organized? Main window with table view dialogs with input fiedls? |
| 19:31.48 | fiferboy | ~s/fiedls/fields/ |
| 19:33.00 | coldboot | fiferboy: Let me check... |
| 19:33.58 | lcuk | yumm bruce wilis |
| 19:35.05 | coldboot | fiferboy: It doesn't show the hildon keyboard on the device, but shows it in sb2. |
| 19:35.43 | coldboot | fiferboy: And this problem only happens on the device, not in sb2 |
| 19:36.03 | fiferboy | I'm testing directly on the device, and it is working as I would expect |
| 19:36.21 | fiferboy | Have you noticed any touch screen problems on your device before? |
| 19:36.37 | fiferboy | coldboot: Didn't you say the stylus keyboard wouldn't pop up for you? |
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| 19:37.23 | coldboot | fiferboy: The stylus keyboard has never popped up for me. Even in shopper. |
| 19:37.42 | fiferboy | Does it pop up in regular (non-qt) applications? |
| 19:38.25 | coldboot | fiferboy: What's an example? |
| 19:38.38 | fiferboy | coldboot: The built in notes application |
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| 19:40.41 | coldboot | The little stylus keyboard does not come up in anything, the finger keyboard comes up fine in shopper and notes, but not our app. |
| 19:42.08 | fiferboy | coldboot: Finger keyboard works as expected for me too. No problems inputing, or using the application afterward |
| 19:43.15 | fiferboy | coldboot: Do you have another device to test it on? |
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| 19:44.46 | coldboot | fiferboy: Yeah I've got a few, but I just flashed this one with the latest OS. |
| 19:45.14 | fiferboy | Maybe there are some changes between 4.5.0 and 4.5.2 that are causing complications? |
| 19:45.22 | fiferboy | coldboot: You are using 4.5.0, right? |
| 19:46.13 | qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: N810? |
| 19:46.28 | coldboot | Qt 4.5.0-1maemo2 on a nokia n810 |
| 19:47.04 | qwerty12_N810 | coldboot: you have to enable the stylus keyboard in that case, open the Text input settings in the Control Panel |
| 19:47.20 | qwerty12_N810 | And it'll popup when the slider is closed |
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| 19:53.14 | coldboot | So in our app, in this popup, the finger keyboard never came up with the unpatched Qt and the patched Qt, which is odd. |
| 19:53.28 | coldboot | When I turned on the stylus input keyboard, that comes up in my app. |
| 19:53.45 | coldboot | It always forwards the keys, except in the patched Qt. |
| 19:53.53 | fiferboy | Is everything working as expected with the stylus keyboard? |
| 19:53.57 | coldboot | And it screws up the rest of the popup. |
| 19:54.13 | coldboot | fiferboy: With the unpatched Qt in my app, and with either Qt in notes and shopper. |
| 19:54.18 | andrei1089 | hi, i've downloaded the maemo sdk, run af-sb-init and in hildon i don't have any application installed, also the application manager doesn't show any installable one. Is this ok ? |
| 19:54.24 | coldboot | With the patched Qt, in my app, it doesn't forward keys. |
| 19:54.28 | coldboot | This is really weird. |
| 19:54.51 | fiferboy | Something doesn't sound right |
| 19:55.01 | fiferboy | The patched Qt works in shopper but not in your app? |
| 19:55.06 | coldboot | Yeah. |
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| 19:55.20 | coldboot | The unpatched works in anything. |
| 19:55.25 | fiferboy | You probably don't have any special input handling in your app, do you? |
| 19:55.33 | coldboot | Probably not. |
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| 19:55.58 | coldboot | I don't know what the cause of this specific problem is, but there are two other options alternative to this rabbit hole. |
| 19:56.15 | coldboot | I can continue trying to bypass any use of native window conversion. |
| 19:56.16 | fiferboy | Does a hard boot with the patched Qt change anything? |
| 19:56.59 | coldboot | Or figure out what Antonio did to stop flashing BEFORE you call setCentralWidget(), and have that done during setCentralWidget(). I bet he goes through converting everything to native windows when the app starts and draws for the first time. |
| 19:57.06 | coldboot | fiferboy: Didn't try that. |
| 19:58.04 | fiferboy | coldboot: Not converting things to native windows at all would be best, if possible, I think |
| 19:58.42 | lbt | had that proxy idea... I still think it's a good one |
| 19:58.57 | coldboot | lbt: Yeah I just tried it, it didn't work, and fiferboy had this workaround solution. |
| 19:58.58 | lbt | I think it's close to being 'right' |
| 19:59.02 | coldboot | I'll make a branch and show you guys the code. |
| 19:59.34 | coldboot | Is there some sort of patch program that will patch vastly different bodies of code, that have similar chunks? |
| 19:59.37 | fiferboy | lbt: I tried a proxy solution, too, but didn't have any luck |
| 19:59.47 | lbt | emacs |
| 19:59.54 | coldboot | So I can easily front-port patches to 4.5.0 to 4.5.2, without patch getting confused that the line numbers don't correspond? |
| 20:00.00 | coldboot | emacs does that? |
| 20:00.22 | lbt | yes - ediff mode |
| 20:00.36 | coldboot | lbt: Hmmmm |
| 20:00.42 | lbt | it's not quite patches |
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| 20:08.59 | fiferboy | lbt: Can you pull my changes without a merge request? Is a merge request just notification? |
| 20:15.52 | coldboot | Hmm, it seems switching branches around might kill Makefiles... |
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| 20:23.08 | coldboot | I'm getting "The remove end hung up unexpectedly" with git push now... |
| 20:26.59 | fiferboy | I've got to go now |
| 20:27.13 | fiferboy | coldboot: I'll talk to you tomorrow, hopefully you figure out what the problem is |
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| 20:40.03 | locutus | RST38h: what ARE they testing? |
| 20:41.32 | coldboot | Can anyone else git push to gitorious right now? |
| 20:43.49 | RST38h | locutus: An OPEN sign |
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| 20:44.12 | RST38h | locutus: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-159 |
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| 20:48.38 | coldboot | lbt: Could you see if you can push to Gitorious? I'm getting hung up on. |
| 20:48.56 | lbt | ok |
| 20:50.46 | lbt | cloning |
| 20:52.50 | lbt | no problems at all |
| 20:53.28 | woglinde | re |
| 20:53.43 | lbt | gitorious for coldboot |
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| 20:57.53 | woglinde | hi rkirti |
| 20:58.11 | woglinde | rkirti hm you can use git use for patch management |
| 20:58.25 | woglinde | its probably better than quilt |
| 20:59.25 | rkirti | hello woglinde |
| 20:59.48 | woglinde | hms that should original go to #oe |
| 21:09.43 | coldboot | Yeah I think gitorious is messed up right now. |
| 21:11.54 | Macer | wtf |
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| 21:26.11 | neatojones | hello everyone |
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| 21:36.53 | Stskeeps | 'lo neatojones |
| 21:37.13 | neatojones | Hello Stskeeps |
| 21:37.17 | neatojones | how is it going. |
| 21:37.29 | neatojones | Tried Mer 0.15testing9 yesterday. |
| 21:37.41 | Stskeeps | fine fine.. going to the municipality to start the wedding process, tomorrow :P |
| 21:37.55 | neatojones | Looked good. Only problem I had was my touchscreen was WAY off. |
| 21:37.56 | Stskeeps | how is it? i hope we've improved some things :P |
| 21:38.16 | neatojones | Sorry to hear that :P |
| 21:38.33 | neatojones | (about the wedding) |
| 21:38.43 | Stskeeps | hehe, it's good :) |
| 21:38.58 | neatojones | it's good times, actually. |
| 21:39.33 | Stskeeps | Xomap really helps things :P |
| 21:42.26 | neatojones | I remember trying it out a few months ago. |
| 21:42.38 | neatojones | Had a few problems back then...though I don't remember what they were. |
| 21:50.19 | rkirti | acpi -t --> 98 C |
| 21:50.31 | rkirti | :-/ |
| 21:50.49 | johnsq | boil some water |
| 21:51.31 | coldboot | qt.gitorious is messed up. |
| 21:51.43 | lbt | you borked it? |
| 21:52.17 | coldboot | I don't think so. |
| 21:52.28 | lbt | it won't build for me |
| 21:52.37 | rkirti | ~lart amd-compaq combination for love of heat |
| 21:52.37 | infobot | sends a legion of lawyers after amd-compaq combination's head for love of heat |
| 21:52.38 | lbt | patches in debian/patches won't apply |
| 21:53.28 | coldboot | lbt: I actually meant it's messed up such that I can't push to my fork of qt-maemo. |
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| 22:04.08 | neatojones | Does anyone know if flashing the tablet with the .bin files of Maemo should completely restore the original kernel and settings? |
| 22:06.53 | johnsq | neatojones: yes. |
| 22:07.01 | neatojones | dang... |
| 22:07.21 | neatojones | I changed some setting of ts_calibration and the touch screen quit working. |
| 22:07.28 | neatojones | I reflashed and still no touch screen. |
| 22:07.31 | neatojones | ...oops. |
| 22:08.01 | johnsq | neatojones: setting are secial area, look what the flasher says. |
| 22:08.29 | neatojones | you mean those settings are in a different area? |
| 22:08.42 | neatojones | I used the windows flasher. It didn't say. |
| 22:08.54 | johnsq | neatojones: iirc yes |
| 22:09.15 | neatojones | Hmmm....now that I reflashed, I just have to figure out how to get back to a terminal |
| 22:09.25 | neatojones | since my newly flashed maemo has no ssh setup. |
| 22:09.47 | neatojones | Is there a key combo that can bring up the menu? |
| 22:10.54 | neatojones | I prefer to use linux to flash, but my linux computer is down at the moment. |
| 22:11.04 | neatojones | maybe a kernel flash using linux would fix it? |
| 22:12.05 | johnsq | neatojones: http://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access for ssh, sorry I don't know, perhaps somebody else can help |
| 22:12.23 | neatojones | thanks for your help johnsq |
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| 22:49.02 | coldboot | Okay Gitorious is now unbroken. |
| 22:49.38 | Macer | damn comcast |
| 22:49.39 | coldboot | This is my attempt at creating a proxy for hildon messages: http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes/commit/221ccad2867d9cd0e57b7517acaf69012c0abea9?diffmode=sidebyside |
| 22:49.40 | Macer | heh |
| 22:49.48 | Macer | i didn't even notice my reverse dns was screwed u |
| 22:49.49 | Macer | up |
| 22:50.10 | Macer | i totally forgot about it when i changed my ip |
| 22:52.44 | lbt | coldboot: cool |
| 22:52.58 | lbt | will look in the am |
| 22:53.04 | lbt | popped in to say 'night |
| 22:53.25 | lbt | nb : http://www.laut.fm/abstrait <- nice music for coding |
| 22:56.30 | toggles_w | lbt: more coding, less listening |
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| 23:02.45 | esaym153 | rofl |
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| 23:03.29 | esaym153 | I want a n810 |
| 23:03.33 | Electric_Poison | last.fm doesnt work at all on my n810 |
| 23:03.36 | esaym153 | not sure if I should get one though |
| 23:04.26 | esaym153 | whois esaym153 |
| 23:04.33 | Electric_Poison | canloas plugin cant use last fm, always getting some network |
| 23:04.34 | Electric_Poison | error |
| 23:04.54 | Electric_Poison | the player doesnt load in the browser |
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