IRC log for #maemo on 20090714

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`00:21.16`	`andre__`	`_hc, is OTR with rtcomm possible? because there is an open bug report about it`
`00:22.54`	`_hc`	`andre__: ah right, there is an upstream bug report with Telepathy about it: http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16891`
`00:23.05`	`andre__`	`yeah`
`00:38.15`	`LiraNuna`	`wasn't the Rover supposed to come in July? how come I find no ETA?`
`00:39.22`	`Robot101`	`andre__, _hc: we much prefer to implement an open standard for encryption like the XMPP extensions, than to try and hack encryption onto closed protocols with OTR`
`00:39.53`	`Robot101`	`it doesn't make much sense to me at least to go to such effort to send encrypted content over a proprietary network, when to use OTR you need an open client in the first place`
`00:40.11`	`Robot101`	`so we'll do XMPP encryption before we do OTR, but we've not got time to work on either at the moment`
`00:40.26`	`Robot101`	`we're happy to discuss how to approach it with people who are interested however`
`00:41.48`	`LiraNuna`	`Why not simply implement a plugin architecture and let someone else implement OTR?`
`00:41.56`	`LiraNuna`	`"unsupported"`
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`00:46.09`	`Robot101`	`telepathy is already a component architecture`
`00:46.20`	`Robot101`	`we've explained how we'd add otr into it`
`00:46.47`	`Robot101`	`nobody who knows/cares enough has done it yet`
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`01:37.56`	`Tann1`	`Helo`
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`01:39.37`	`Tann1`	`Can someone possibly help me set up my n810's microphone to go thought the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a microphone for my laptop.`
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`01:54.11`	`esaym`	`howdy`
`01:54.26`	`esaym`	`is this the irc channel for the nokia n810?`
`01:56.12`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: yes`
`01:56.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`as well as 770, N800, N900, and N915`
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`02:03.33`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: you look familiar ????`
`02:04.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: #Jesus`
`02:04.10`	`esaym`	`;)`
`02:04.48`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: what are the price ranges for the 9xx series?`
`02:04.54`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: good question`
`02:04.59`	`esaym`	`hmm`
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`02:05.40`	`esaym`	`I was hearing stuff like $700...`
`02:06.15`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: at that price it had better be a lot better than N810`
`02:06.19`	`Luke-Jr`	`and actually open`
`02:06.37`	`esaym`	`anyway, my question... I am wondering about how functional the xterminal is on the 810? I have some console/text apps that I want to run on it...`
`02:06.56`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: apparently the 9xx series is going to be some kind of gsm phone?`
`02:06.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: honestly, raw console mode is all I've found to work well`
`02:07.18`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: what is "raw console mode"`
`02:07.30`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: outside of X?`
`02:08.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: yes`
`02:08.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: KDE doesn't run too well`
`02:08.30`	`esaym`	`hmm`
`02:08.41`	`esaym`	`I don't plan on using kde`
`02:08.58`	`Luke-Jr`	`IIRC, slono said GNOME is even worse`
`02:09.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`which is to be expected, as GNOME sucks :Ã¾`
`02:09.07`	`esaym`	`I just need a small device to put my console software one`
`02:09.09`	`esaym`	`on*`
`02:09.19`	`esaym`	`it is for taking notes in church and bible studies`
`02:09.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`I see.`
`02:09.36`	`Luke-Jr`	`I wouldn't want to do a ton of typing on N810 either`
`02:09.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: might see what you can pickup a Zaurus for`
`02:10.04`	`esaym`	`I could do a gui for it but I don't know if it would be worth the trouble`
`02:10.26`	`Luke-Jr`	`Zaurii only have 64 MB RAM, but they have a nice keyboard`
`02:10.26`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: yes I looked at the zaurus, several of them`
`02:10.29`	`Luke-Jr`	`the clamshell models anyhow`
`02:10.38`	`Luke-Jr`	`the N810's keyboard kinda sucks`
`02:10.54`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: no wifi, not sure if that would be good for me`
`02:11.02`	`Luke-Jr`	`ah`
`02:11.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`I have a CompactFlash wifi card`
`02:11.08`	`Luke-Jr`	`âº`
`02:11.14`	`Tann6`	`Can someone help me set my n810 up so that what the microphone picks up is then sent through the speakers/stereo jack so that I can use it as a line in on my computer?`
`02:11.16`	`esaym`	`I could do without`
`02:11.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`but what good is wifi w/o GUI?`
`02:11.53`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: well I didn't plan on not using a gui`
`02:12.03`	`esaym`	`My app won't have a gui`
`02:12.03`	`Luke-Jr`	`I see.`
`02:12.17`	`esaym`	`so I can either use the xterminal or the raw terminal like you said`
`02:12.24`	`esaym`	`what is wrong with the xterminal?`
`02:12.39`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: nothing, but the GUI in general sucks`
`02:12.44`	`esaym`	`are the keys on the 810 just too small or flat?`
`02:12.57`	`Luke-Jr`	`the only thing I have found tolerable is KDE, and 128 MB RAM doesn't cut the bill`
`02:12.59`	`esaym`	`oh...hmm. What is wrong with it?`
`02:13.02`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: too flat I guess`
`02:13.10`	`Luke-Jr`	`bad feedback`
`02:13.14`	`Luke-Jr`	`too easy to hit the wrong key, etc`
`02:13.22`	`esaym`	`yea`
`02:13.25`	`Luke-Jr`	`also, no number keys`
`02:13.41`	`Luke-Jr`	`numbers are useful :/`
`02:13.46`	`esaym`	`oh, is there like a fn key for the numbers?`
`02:15.03`	`esaym`	`ok I see a good pic of the keyboard now...`
`02:17.14`	`esaym`	`hmm`
`02:17.45`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: what all don't you like about the standard os2008 that is comes with? Too slow or something?`
`02:19.06`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: unmaintained, poor design, etc`
`02:19.36`	`esaym`	`hmm that sucks`
`02:19.47`	`esaym`	`unmaintained?`
`02:19.52`	`Luke-Jr`	`yeah, unmaintained`
`02:19.58`	`esaym`	`full of bugs or something?`
`02:20.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`not overly usable`
`02:21.00`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: hmm sounds like you really don't like this thing...`
`02:21.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: I wouldn't have bought it if I knew what I know now.`
`02:21.37`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: do you want to sell it? rofl`
`02:21.42`	`Luke-Jr`	`one of the major features I bought it for was the GPS, which might as well not exist`
`02:21.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: no, I can't find a suitable alternative either :?`
`02:21.56`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: yea I read that it was slow`
`02:21.57`	`Luke-Jr`	`:/`
`02:22.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`not just slow`
`02:22.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`undocumented`
`02:22.09`	`Luke-Jr`	`proprietary blob driver`
`02:22.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`full of bugs`
`02:22.16`	`esaym`	`:-/`
`02:22.26`	`esaym`	`hmm`
`02:22.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`really, I wish I could get its features in a Zaurus clamshell with open docs`
`02:23.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`that would be usable`
`02:23.37`	`esaym`	`Well I have been looking for 2 days on the net for something that I can carry around in my pocket, that will let me make my own console app for taking bible notes`
`02:23.54`	`esaym`	`I am going to do with the 810 unless you can think of anything else better and not over $300`
`02:24.07`	`esaym`	`really $250 is more than I wanted to spend...`
`02:24.37`	`Luke-Jr`	`$200 you mean`
`02:24.55`	`esaym`	`all pda's today don't really let you install software and are like $500+`
`02:25.11`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: if all you want is console, I'm sure the N810 can pull it off-- exception only to the sucky keyboard`
`02:25.12`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: yes $200 would be nice...`
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`02:25.23`	`Luke-Jr`	`if you don't care for wifi, a clamshell Z would probably be better`
`02:25.38`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: I wouldn't pay over $200 for a N810.`
`02:26.07`	`Luke-Jr`	`well, I wouldn't pay over $25, but not over $200 in any circumstances :P`
`02:26.27`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: seems the 810 seems to be in slow production and the online prices have gone through the roof. Just last month they were going for $210 or so, not they are like $280. They are $220 on nokia.com but they are backordered..`
`02:26.57`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: N810 is out of production in prep for N900 I think`
`02:27.04`	`Luke-Jr`	`ebay should have decent prices`
`02:27.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`also, you'll need a decent size SD card (4 GB min, 8 GB ideal) if you want to run Gentoo ;)`
`02:27.40`	`esaym`	`Luke-Jr: I really won't mind buying a new one, just to support nokia (for their excellnet product you know)`
`02:28.08`	`esaym`	`I would hate to see nokia give up on these devices...`
`02:28.40`	`esaym`	`As you said, there really is no alternative...`
`02:28.55`	`esaym`	`everyone making chessy pda's and closing them up`
`02:29.02`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: from my perspective, Nokia isn't a company deserving support yet`
`02:29.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`at least not that department âº`
`02:29.38`	`esaym`	`These would be cool if they weren't all closed up: http://www.zipitwireless.com/`
`02:29.49`	`Luke-Jr`	`actually`
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`02:32.17`	`Luke-Jr`	`esaym: probably can find something more appropriate if you look enough, I would hope`
`02:32.24`	`Luke-Jr`	`maybe not shipping with Linux, but easily supported`
`02:32.42`	`esaym`	`I looked`
`02:34.23`	`johnx`	`I doubt there's anything as far along as the N810 in that form factor that has a more open, more complete linux install available`
`02:34.51`	`Luke-Jr`	`look for devices based on the S3C6410 chip`
`02:35.00`	`Luke-Jr`	`full spec docs are leaked to the community for that`
`02:35.22`	`johnx`	`so that's the smart q5 and q7, yes?`
`02:35.30`	`Luke-Jr`	`yeah, but those don't have keyboards`
`02:35.46`	`johnx`	`no keyboard, no warranty in the US+EU, and pretty questionable construction`
`02:35.49`	`johnx`	`but the price is right for sure`
`02:35.55`	`Luke-Jr`	`OpenMoko too I think`
`02:36.09`	`johnx`	`too as in "also doesn't have a keyboard"? :)`
`02:36.13`	`Luke-Jr`	`johnx: his problem is keyboard âº`
`02:36.22`	`Luke-Jr`	`otherwise N810 would probably be fine`
`02:36.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hi, johnx.`
`02:36.58`	`johnx`	`allo GeneralAntilles`
`02:37.04`	`johnx`	`how's the weather?`
`02:37.40`	`johnx`	`The Zaurus keyboard is nice, and if you aren't using it for X11 or web browsing I could highly recommend almost any of them`
`02:37.48`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hot and rainy.`
`02:37.54`	`GeneralAntilles`	`How's life on the other coast?`
`02:37.54`	`johnx`	`every last one has a better keyboard for console stuff than the N810`
`02:38.12`	`johnx`	`GeneralAntilles, gorgeous weather overall, but today was cloudy and coolish`
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`02:48.46`	`esaym`	`hmm, yea I don't know what to do`
`02:49.30`	`esaym`	`so how is os2008 unmaintained? Did nokia move devlopers off of it or something?`
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`03:02.41`	`esaym`	`hmm I think I am going to get the 810`
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`03:22.33`	`ShadowJK`	`esaym, yeah it seems there are no nokia developers working on os2008 anymore, they're all working on the os for the next device`
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`03:22.42`	`neatojones`	`Hello`
`03:25.41`	`ShadowJK`	`esaym, xterm (it's actually more like gnome-terminal, but whatever) in fullscreen mode and python or gcc from the tools/sdk repo and you've got a usable linux environment :P`
`03:26.15`	`esaym`	`ShadowJK: and this new OS, it will not work on the 810 will it?`
`03:26.21`	`ShadowJK`	`no`
`03:26.32`	`esaym`	`I won't work?`
`03:26.36`	`ShadowJK`	`It will not work`
`03:26.41`	`ShadowJK`	`atleast not "as is"`
`03:27.17`	`ShadowJK`	`The new device will have usable 3D accel, about twice as fast processor and twice the RAM`
`03:27.37`	`esaym`	`oh wow`
`03:27.41`	`esaym`	`twice the price I am sure`
`03:27.49`	`esaym`	`they might shoot themselves in the foot...`
`03:27.50`	`ShadowJK`	`that too :)`
`03:28.33`	`ShadowJK`	`The N810 was, what, 400-500 as new?`
`03:28.45`	`esaym`	`How hard is it to cross compile a c++ app from a linux desktop onto the 810?`
`03:28.49`	`esaym`	`ShadowJK: yea I think`
`03:29.49`	`ShadowJK`	`There's a scratchbox-based SDK/environment available.. I haven't tried it, but I get the impression it can be somewhat quirky to install`
`03:30.21`	`ShadowJK`	`Also vmware/qemu/etc images of ubuntu with the sdk preinstalled`
`03:30.33`	`ShadowJK`	`they're probably easiest?`
`03:30.44`	`ShadowJK`	`I've got gcc setup on the N810 myself`
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`03:31.47`	`ShadowJK`	`The Mer project, which is a community project to backport components from the new OS to the N8x0 (and other devices) uses suse's OBS instead of scratchbox`
`03:32.14`	`neatojones`	`just curious...does anyone know what command to run from terminal to recalibrate the screen?`
`03:35.08`	`esaym`	`neatojones: what do you mean "recalibrate"`
`03:35.22`	`ShadowJK`	`the touchscreen`
`03:35.39`	`esaym`	`hmm`
`03:35.47`	`neatojones`	`yeah. It's a bout I have to touch about a cm above anything to click it.`
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`03:38.45`	`ShadowJK`	`tscalibrate on maemo I think`
`03:38.54`	`ShadowJK`	`only thing in /usr/bin that seemed promising`
`03:39.16`	`neatojones`	`sorry, that didn't make much sense. I meant: I have to touch about a centimeter above where I want to click on the screen. It needs recalibrated, but I can't get to the normal calibration tool.`
`03:39.20`	`neatojones`	`thanks ShadowJK`
`03:39.22`	`neatojones`	`I'll try that`
`03:40.43`	`neatojones`	`it appears that the actual command was ts_calibrate`
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`03:54.12`	`Electric_Poison`	`finally`
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`03:55.36`	`sarower`	`hello all, I am just compiling a hello world using clutter library. It is creating the executable and also running it but nothing is showing. The window is not showing.`
`03:55.45`	`sarower`	`What kind of problem may it be?`
`03:55.46`	`Electric_Poison`	`the n810 is pretty buggy`
`03:55.55`	`sarower`	`any body any help?`
`03:56.08`	`Electric_Poison`	`rhapsody died...`
`03:57.08`	`Electric_Poison`	`i wish on rhapsody you could buy songs`
`03:57.20`	`Electric_Poison`	`itd be way nicer`
`04:01.22`	`Electric_Poison`	`nobody here...`
`04:01.44`	`neatojones`	`yeah. But I don't use rhapsody at all.`
`04:02.15`	`sarower`	`Electric_Poison: For me?`
`04:02.28`	`neatojones`	`Or clutter...`
`04:02.32`	`neatojones`	`sorry`
`04:02.33`	`Electric_Poison`	`eh?`
`04:02.51`	`Electric_Poison`	`i use the trial rhapsody`
`04:02.59`	`Electric_Poison`	`ive had my tablet a week now`
`04:03.31`	`Electric_Poison`	`:D`
`04:03.51`	`Electric_Poison`	`wayfinder is much nicer than maemo mapper...`
`04:04.12`	`Electric_Poison`	`in routing`
`04:05.17`	`Electric_Poison`	`pidgin keeps commiting suicide..`
`04:05.34`	`neatojones`	`yeah. Pidgin does the same for me.`
`04:05.45`	`Electric_Poison`	`its annoying`
`04:06.14`	`neatojones`	`how much is the wayfinder subscription?`
`04:06.26`	`Electric_Poison`	`$130`
`04:06.30`	`neatojones`	`for a year?`
`04:06.32`	`Electric_Poison`	`for 3 years`
`04:06.37`	`neatojones`	`oh. hmm`
`04:06.46`	`Electric_Poison`	`not too nad of a price imo.`
`04:06.53`	`neatojones`	`probably not.`
`04:07.05`	`Electric_Poison`	`i watched a vid of it on youtube. looks nice`
`04:07.14`	`neatojones`	`comparable to buying a new GPS that would most likely need to be replace in about that time.`
`04:07.19`	`Electric_Poison`	`the car kit though...`
`04:07.34`	`Electric_Poison`	`screwing to the dashboard?`
`04:07.42`	`Electric_Poison`	`wtf?`
`04:08.21`	`Electric_Poison`	`whose idea was that lol...`
`04:08.49`	`Electric_Poison`	`how do you rotate the nokia map btw?`
`04:09.07`	`sarower`	`On thing: I am trying to use the lib libgles2-dev for opengl support. But it is installed under "usr/share/docs" no package inside "/usr/inclue" or "/usr/lib". Only the *.so is there under "/usr/lib". So it does not get the package when i compile it .`
`04:09.16`	`neatojones`	`I have no idea.`
`04:09.19`	`sarower`	`What may be the problem...`
`04:09.24`	`sarower`	`any body?`
`04:09.34`	`Electric_Poison`	`i r linux noob`
`04:09.40`	`neatojones`	`earlier in the day, there is usually a bigger crowd.`
`04:09.46`	`neatojones`	`people with more experience in those things`
`04:09.49`	`sarower`	gcc -o main main.c `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev` -ansi -Wall `pkg-config --libs gtk+-2.0 hildon-1 clutter-0.8 libgles2-dev`
`04:09.55`	`Electric_Poison`	`im at work then -_-`
`04:09.55`	`neatojones`	`or at about 2AM usa central time`
`04:10.11`	`neatojones`	`the European crew is up then.`
`04:11.49`	`neatojones`	`or try leaving a message on talk.maemo.org`
`04:11.56`	`ShadowJK`	`Electric_Poison, I've considered screwing it to the cellphone holdeer (which attaches to window with suction cup)`
`04:11.56`	`Electric_Poison`	`i did`
`04:12.23`	`Electric_Poison`	`i dont have a cell phone holder...`
`04:12.32`	`Electric_Poison`	`oh`
`04:12.34`	`Electric_Poison`	`nvm`
`04:12.42`	`Electric_Poison`	`i saw it in a video`
`04:13.35`	`ShadowJK`	`amusingly the map application on N810 is navicore, not nokia's own map software :)`
`04:13.41`	`ShadowJK`	`(which they've got on symbian)`
`04:13.43`	`Electric_Poison`	`nope.`
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`04:14.20`	`Electric_Poison`	`if you could blueooth to this and use it as a gps like that, i could use the maps on my 3600 slide`
`04:14.35`	`Electric_Poison`	`free routing`
`04:14.52`	`ShadowJK`	`neither have free routing?`
`04:14.59`	`Electric_Poison`	`well`
`04:15.05`	`Electric_Poison`	`this has paid routing`
`04:15.24`	`Electric_Poison`	`and my nokia 3600 slide has maps program on it`
`04:15.28`	`Electric_Poison`	`it can route`
`04:15.34`	`Electric_Poison`	`it just needs a gps`
`04:15.54`	`Electric_Poison`	`so pair these and voila... but it doesnt work like that...`
`04:17.21`	`ShadowJK`	`I downloaded Nokia Maps for my E70 and it wanted money for navigation :)`
`04:17.36`	`ShadowJK`	`Though with E75 I think there was a year free`
`04:17.47`	`Electric_Poison`	`mine can route for free`
`04:18.08`	`Electric_Poison`	`with a gps it can route dynamically i think`
`04:20.39`	`Electric_Poison`	`i gotta sleeo.`
`04:20.46`	`Electric_Poison`	`night all.`
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`05:12.40`	`sarower`	/var/tmp/ccxi3ATA.o: In function `main':
`05:12.40`	`sarower`	main.c:(.text+0x20c): undefined reference to `gtk_clutter_embed_new' even after including "#include <clutter-gtk/gtk-clutter-embed.h>"
`05:14.08`	`sarower`	`any idea?`
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`05:21.58`	`sarower`	`no body...!!`
`05:22.07`	`sarower`	`no idea!`
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`05:26.25`	`slonopotamus`	`argh`
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`05:26.55`	`johnx`	`sarower, give it some time. not everyone who's logged in here looks at the channel 24/7`
`05:27.10`	`sarower`	`its ok`
`05:27.13`	`sarower`	`sorry!`
`05:27.25`	`johnx`	`no worries :)`
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`05:27.31`	`slonopotamus`	`today's midori update broke pygtkeditor :(`
`05:27.44`	`johnx`	`huh? how does that work?`
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`05:28.50`	`slonopotamus`	`johnx, dunno, i can't find logs what updated besides midori itself`
`05:29.37`	`pupnik`	`i can't find my camera app pictures again`
`05:29.50`	`pupnik`	`there's a ~/apps/camera - no pics`
`05:29.55`	`pupnik`	`find doesn't find em in ~/`
`05:30.00`	`pupnik`	`or mmc1 or mmc2`
`05:30.10`	`pupnik`	`nothing in MyDocs`
`05:30.37`	`pupnik`	`finding in / now`
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`05:31.05`	`slonopotamus`	`ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gtk-2.0/gtk/_gtk.so: undefined symbol: gtk_about_dialog_get_documenters`
`05:32.17`	`slonopotamus`	`google doesn't know such problem`
`05:32.43`	`pupnik`	`jesus, who decided to make these dirs preceeded with a dot`
`05:32.48`	`pupnik`	`for user data`
`05:32.50`	`pupnik`	`not config data`
`05:33.24`	`slonopotamus`	`:)`
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`05:37.58`	`pupnik`	`there we go`
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`05:39.15`	`slonopotamus`	`oh! i have geany. die, pygtkeditor, then`
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`05:48.55`	`finn`	`is there anything other than formating that I can try in order to get my SD card working over USB?`
`05:49.32`	`slonopotamus`	`finn, sacrifise a virgin?`
`05:50.06`	`finn`	`so just forget about SD on the USB port?`
`05:50.48`	`slonopotamus`	`finn, i didn't say that :)`
`05:51.59`	`finn`	`but there's nothing left to do..`
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`06:06.27`	`RST38h`	`finn: Is your card formatted as FAT?`
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`06:07.32`	`finn`	`yes.`
`06:07.40`	`RST38h`	`finn: Do you have swap file enabled?`
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`06:13.30`	`pupnik`	`by the way. the n810 camera really, really sucks`
`06:15.56`	`finn`	`how do Icheck RST38h?`
`06:16.18`	`finn`	`it's the "no file system available" error`
`06:18.38`	`RST38h`	`finn: Go into Settings and see if you have swap file enabled`
`06:18.57`	`RST38h`	`Maemo will not let you access a partition that contains swap file via USB`
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`06:21.11`	`finn`	`extend virtual memory?`
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`06:21.21`	`RST38h`	`yes`
`06:22.33`	`finn`	`I'll give it nother try now`
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`06:27.51`	`finn`	`now all I nees is to figure outwhere I put the card reader before changing hotel rooms`
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`06:44.02`	`finn`	`the error remains the same RST38h`
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`07:06.41`	`Macer`	`hm`
`07:06.45`	`Macer`	`comcast is so awkward`
`07:06.52`	`Macer`	`like a nat of a nat of a nat from a nat to a nat back to a nat`
`07:06.53`	`Macer`	`heh`
`07:06.57`	`pupnik`	`how diplomatic`
`07:07.17`	`ds3`	`Mmmmm gnats`
`07:07.23`	`Macer`	`like the way i had to set it up as a bridge`
`07:07.27`	`Macer`	`i had to dmz it to my wifi router`
`07:07.58`	`Macer`	`and set up a static ip on the router using the public ip as a gateway and using some other ip as its ip`
`07:08.02`	`Macer`	`it was odd`
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`07:36.55`	`ZakkmN800`	`any update on n8x0 getting 3d acceleration?`
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`07:39.14`	`andre__`	`ZakkmN800, hmm?`
`07:39.38`	`ZakkmN800`	`lasti heard someone was going to ask`
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`07:39.56`	`ZakkmN800`	`havent been here in awhile`
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`07:48.29`	`Stskeeps`	`ZakkmN800: going in right direction i think`
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`07:49.15`	`ZakkmN800`	`Stskeeps: going to get?`
`07:49.15`	`Jaffa`	`Morning, all`
`07:49.28`	`ZakkmN800`	`Morning Jaffa`
`07:49.53`	`Stskeeps`	`ZakkmN800: so far so good i think`
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`07:50.45`	`ZakkmN800`	`thats nice. my nokia been jusst so dead lately even considering selling`
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`07:56.44`	`wazd`	`heya maemo`
`07:57.39`	`andre__`	`yay, internal browser bug reports about pornpages not working correctly. looks like nokia testers know their customers... :-P`
`07:57.42`	`ZakkmN800`	`wazd: How goes the mer ui artwork?`
`07:58.05`	`Stskeeps`	`andre__: the success of a mobile device depends on how easy it is to browse porn with it`
`07:58.18`	`andre__`	`Stskeeps, yeah, that's what I also think`
`07:58.28`	`Stskeeps`	`the japanese providers are being overloaded with porn data`
`07:58.29`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
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`07:58.49`	`andre__`	`Stskeeps, hey, i was just typing a joke about japanese users. grrr! ;-)`
`07:59.33`	`qwerty12`	`They get off to cartoon porn, surely they don't need a site? :P`
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`08:00.55`	`Stskeeps`	`right, 10 o clock and the guy i'm supposed to meet didn't show up, lovely`
`08:01.01`	`Stskeeps`	`could have stayed home and clean the house`
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`08:03.11`	`Stskeeps`	`one thing i hate about having birthday in the summer: everyone's gone`
`08:03.30`	`Proteous`	`you can now just stay out and imagine a clean house`
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`08:04.38`	`wazd`	`ZakkmN800: well, it's on hold right now, until I finish BlueMaemo stuff :)`
`08:05.19`	`ZakkmN800`	`what maemo theme do you guys use?`
`08:06.12`	`pupnik`	`default`
`08:06.18`	`qwerty12`	`Echo, but Tritanium if my eyes are not in the mood to be killed`
`08:07.06`	`ZakkmN800`	`hah qwerty i just went from that to echo`
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`08:14.14`	`sarower`	`sob sala vudai...`
`08:14.47`	`qwerty12`	`My Urdu is shit but I understood that to be insulting words :>`
`08:16.04`	`Macer`	`i sure fucked up my home network setup`
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`08:16.25`	`RST38h`	`yawns`
`08:16.25`	`Macer`	`and now i have to wait for the morn for someone at comcast to login to it`
`08:16.35`	`Macer`	`and fix my netmask`
`08:16.53`	`Macer`	`maybe i can just hook it up to the usb port and change it`
`08:17.06`	`RST38h`	`Letting Comcast manage your router?`
`08:17.19`	`Macer`	`i set it to 255.0.0.0`
`08:17.24`	`Macer`	`lol`
`08:17.25`	`Macer`	`oops`
`08:17.56`	`Stskeeps`	`qwerty12: funny fact, the "not being able to click links" is not a touchscreen vs mouse issue - it's a x86 problem O_o`
`08:17.56`	`Macer`	`and after that i couldnt connect to it after setting the lan ip to 10.0.0.1`
`08:18.35`	`qwerty12`	`Stskeeps: haha, this determined from the Joggler? :)`
`08:18.38`	`Stskeeps`	`qwerty12: yeah`
`08:18.55`	`Stskeeps`	`i'm really at a loss at wtf goes wrong - because panning works fine`
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`08:22.27`	`Macer`	`hm`
`08:25.08`	`Macer`	`hm`
`08:25.34`	`Macer`	`i really dont see why the netmask would break connexting to the comcast cm`
`08:25.43`	`Macer`	`255.0.0.0 is wide open`
`08:25.44`	`Macer`	`heh`
`08:26.30`	`Macer`	`maybe i just messed up on the client side`
`08:26.35`	`Macer`	`blah`
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`08:29.30`	`svqyqb`	`http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa`
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`08:33.27`	`Macer`	`dont speak ze language`
`08:33.42`	`Stskeeps`	`glances at his coffee`
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`08:53.43`	`Macer`	`almost a whole week without smoking`
`08:54.01`	`Macer`	`feels physically sick`
`08:54.03`	`Macer`	`heh`
`08:54.04`	`Stskeeps`	`hehe`
`08:54.17`	`Stskeeps`	`has found a point where he can go addiction free, it seems like`
`08:54.25`	`Stskeeps`	`was a matter of finding the right cigs`
`08:54.31`	`Macer`	`coffee? ;)`
`08:54.40`	`Macer`	`coffee is just a substitute`
`08:54.41`	`Stskeeps`	`well, ok, my addictions switch`
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`08:55.09`	`Macer`	`do it man! everybody is doing it!`
`08:55.09`	`Macer`	`heh`
`08:56.08`	`Macer`	`i nees to fix my cable modem.. all this just because i wanted a vpn :)`
`08:56.10`	`Macer`	`lol`
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`09:57.43`	`talig`	`Hi everyone. You must have heard this one a million times: I need to get my wlan interface in promisc mode (promisc, not Monitor).`
`09:58.01`	`talig`	`Any solutions available (besides getting a usb adapter)`
`09:58.03`	`talig`	`?`
`09:58.40`	`talig`	`[Ah, yes, it's for the Nokia N810]`
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`10:07.15`	`Stskeeps`	`your intent is to view other network traffic within the wlan network, i presume?`
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`10:15.39`	`talig`	`Stskeeps - also`
`10:15.53`	`talig`	`i.e. I need to be able to to transmit.`
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`10:19.42`	`rmt`	`talig, Portable WAP hacking device? Neat! :-)`
`10:19.52`	`Stskeeps`	`WEP you mean`
`10:19.55`	`rmt`	`er, yes`
`10:20.03`	`talig`	`Sadly, nothing quite as sexy.`
`10:20.05`	`Stskeeps`	`WAP hacking would be neat at times`
`10:20.05`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`10:20.31`	`Stskeeps`	`i think smartq5 might be neat for wep & such hacking really.. libertas driver`
`10:20.39`	`rmt`	`is running out of coffee atm, it's quite serious.`
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`10:20.55`	`talig`	`So, do you know of a possibility?`
`10:21.22`	`Stskeeps`	`sure promisicous doesn't work already?`
`10:21.32`	`Stskeeps`	`i mean, wouldn't you need it to get DHCP?`
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`10:26.48`	`syosoft`	`hey guys, i just came across my old 770 - thought i'd bring it back to life. I just put os2008HE on it and it seems to be fine (if not a little slow). I read that OS2008 enabled 8gb MMC support - is this still true on the 770 with OS2008?`
`10:27.09`	`Stskeeps`	`else there's fanoush's patches`
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`10:32.30`	`syosoft`	`Also, how would I mount a SMB share (from my NAS) on boot mucho appreciated.`
`10:37.49`	`Stskeeps`	`mount -t smbfs or cifs? :P`
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`10:39.43`	`syosoft`	`I dont need to install any packages or anything?`
`10:40.03`	`Stskeeps`	`maybe`
`10:40.18`	`syosoft`	`heh, :)`
`10:40.29`	`syosoft`	`i was kind of hoping for a comprehensive guide that some knew about`
`10:41.25`	`talig`	`Stskeep - I need it for the reasons the promiscous mode is used.`
`10:41.33`	`syosoft`	`and the restriction on the WAP shared key is annoying`
`10:41.45`	`talig`	`No, it doesn't work. What's fanoush's patch?`
`10:41.45`	`Stskeeps`	`talig: did you try enabling it with ifconfig? :P`
`10:41.57`	`Stskeeps`	`talig: that was for syosoft`
`10:42.09`	`talig`	`Stskeeps: No, I was only born yesterday.`
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`10:42.11`	`syosoft`	`took me forever to realize it was the ")" in the key that wouldn't allow me to connect - so then i had the joy of changing all of my other wifi devices.`
`10:42.27`	`syosoft`	`enabling something with ifconfig?`
`10:43.01`	`syosoft`	`I'm really not a cmd line kinda guy - i prefer when things just work. So - while i appreciate the suggestions, pls dont be vague, it'll just make me confused and odds are you guys will get frustrated with my lack of understanding`
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`10:43.37`	`syosoft`	`thats not to say i dont want or wont appreciate help, i just need more specific ish :)`
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`10:54.34`	`RST38h`	`"Cats manipulate humans by adding a baby-like cry to their purring."`
`10:55.00`	`syosoft`	`is that why some kids throw them around by their tails?`
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`11:02.29`	`rmt`	`I'm getting annoyed that the weather app keeps getting updated .. nice app, but if it's working, don't update it 3 times a month.`
`11:02.54`	`andre__`	`rmt: 3 times a month is too much? you have quite stable weather at your place it seems`
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`11:04.14`	`Stskeeps`	`in denmark it could just permanently change weather 4 times a day and it'd be accurate`
`11:04.17`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`11:04.34`	`rmt`	`andre__, :-P`
`11:04.42`	`rmt`	`The application and the weather station DB`
`11:05.09`	`Stskeeps`	`rmt: unstable API probably`
`11:05.10`	`rmt`	`It also then demands a reboot, and the last time broke the currently running app.`
`11:05.28`	`rmt`	`So I had to reboot to get weather.`
`11:05.32`	`andre__`	`i still way prefer updates pushed every week instead of every half a year for software`
`11:06.08`	`rmt`	`If it didn't demand a reboot, I wouldn't care so much.`
`11:06.37`	`qwerty12_N810`	`Blame hildon-desktop`
`11:07.12`	`RST38h`	`rmt: If you do not want the updates do not install them`
`11:07.14`	`VDVsx`	`humm, fremantle beta 2 is coming up today ?`
`11:07.27`	`Stskeeps`	`yay birthday present`
`11:07.28`	`RST38h`	`VDV: kidding, right?`
`11:07.34`	`VDVsx`	`no`
`11:07.42`	`Stskeeps`	`sure looks like it`
`11:07.44`	`VDVsx`	`http://maemo.org/development/sdks/`
`11:07.45`	`Stskeeps`	`http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta2/`
`11:07.49`	`RST38h`	`moos triumphantly then`
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`11:07.54`	`wazd`	`hohohoho`
`11:08.07`	`RST38h`	`Sts: should we all wish you happy bd? =)`
`11:08.11`	`rmt`	`RST38h, Sure, but then I get a nice flashing thing which doesn't go away until I open up to see what needs to be installed.. which is of course only another weather app.. now, if it only took 2 seconds to do that, once again, I wouldn't mind. :-P`
`11:08.11`	`Stskeeps`	`yes, i turned 25 :P`
`11:08.12`	`RST38h`	`heya wazd`
`11:08.20`	`wazd`	`RST38h: heya :)`
`11:08.26`	`X-Fade`	`Stskeeps: Congrats!`
`11:08.38`	`qwerty12_N810`	`Stskeeps: happy birthday :)`
`11:08.40`	`danielwilms`	`Stskeeps happy birthday!`
`11:08.44`	`danielwilms`	`:)`
`11:08.46`	`VDVsx`	`Stskeeps, happy birthday :P`
`11:08.48`	`rmt`	`Stskeeps, Happy b'day, you whipper snapper!`
`11:08.52`	`RST38h`	`Sts: You now officially have 8 years to deserve a crucifixion =)`
`11:09.35`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: i'm going to DebConf in 9 days. I'll get crucified with ducttape.`
`11:10.03`	`RST38h`	`Sts: That still sounds better than debian packaging though`
`11:10.33`	`wazd`	`anyone else was born in july?)`
`11:10.49`	`RST38h`	`subtracts 9.`
`11:11.00`	`VDVsx`	`Feb here :)`
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`11:12.28`	`wazd`	`turned 22 2 days ago :)`
`11:12.52`	`wazd`	`qwerty12_N810: btw, thanks for happyb'ding :D`
`11:12.58`	`qwerty12_N810`	`:)`
`11:13.27`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Another 11 years to found a religion, get at least 12 close friends and a rat.`
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`11:19.58`	`*** topic/#maemo by VDVsx -> Welcome to #maemo \| http://maemo.org \| Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council \| http://mxr.maemo.org \| http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog \| Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open! -> http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdy \| Happy birthday Stskeeps!!!`
`11:20.02`	`VDVsx`	`:P`
`11:20.35`	`Stskeeps`	`hehe, thanks`
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`11:21.26`	`X-Fade`	`http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-maemoorg-packages.html`
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`11:22.51`	`lcuk2`	`rmt, how do you expect them to get to top of downloads list if they dont keep getting updated ;)`
`11:23.37`	`VDVsx`	`X-Fade, nice :)`
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`11:24.23`	`lcuk2`	`happy birthday Stskeeps`
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`11:25.13`	`timelyx`	`happy birthday`
`11:25.17`	`timelyx`	`inz: where are you now?`
`11:25.41`	`Stskeeps`	`ta`
`11:26.01`	`timelyx`	`how's the latest release going? (don't ask me to use a browser, mine is busy upgrading)`
`11:26.32`	`timelyx`	`oh,... in other news...`
`11:26.41`	`timelyx`	`could i interest someone in reimplementing control panel?`
`11:26.54`	`timelyx`	`maemo is trying its best to emulate windows 2.x or so`
`11:27.05`	`timelyx`	`where each thing shares process space`
`11:27.20`	`timelyx`	`more importantly, control panel applets are modal to the control panel`
`11:27.39`	`timelyx`	`which means that if you e.g. need to fix your clock while you're doing something complicated in a control panel, you`
`11:27.43`	`timelyx`	`'re so out of luck`
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`11:28.03`	`Stskeeps`	`we're planning to scrap cp, just use desktop files instead`
`11:28.16`	`lcuk2`	`but breaking them off and having each panel applet as standalone requires special consideration within wm`
`11:28.23`	`timelyx`	`why?`
`11:28.41`	`qwerty12_N810`	`You can run applets from a different process, I have the osso-statusbar-cpu bringing me the clock cp`
`11:28.45`	`timelyx`	`if done right, i could actually fix the clock without discarding whatever i was doing in the other control panel applet`
`11:28.57`	`lcuk2`	`ok, maybe not the editors, but the visible indicators do`
`11:29.10`	`timelyx`	`chuckles`
`11:29.18`	`timelyx`	`i had an applet which insisted it was already running`
`11:29.19`	`X-Fade`	`Argh! Feedburner is caching my blog feed and it is outdated.`
`11:29.21`	`timelyx`	`no matter how i started it`
`11:29.32`	`timelyx`	`(even after restarting the device)`
`11:29.44`	`timelyx`	`poor engineer was slightly embarassed`
`11:30.39`	`lcuk2`	`isnt that what testing is for tho :)`
`11:31.14`	`timelyx`	`30mins of sitting ...`
`11:31.26`	`timelyx`	`my keyboard is apparently not nglish anymore`
`11:31.41`	`timelyx`	`... sitting with the engineer while he demo'd his product`
`11:31.50`	`qwerty12_N810`	`Stskeeps: That'd be interesting actually, get hd to look in /usr/share/applications/hildon-control-panel/ and pass the value in the X-control-panel field to osso_cp_plugin_execute`
`11:31.54`	`timelyx`	`yep... a must fix list that iirc filled a page front+back :)`
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`11:34.22`	`lcuk2`	`heh timelyx how many of those were made up of sucking air through teeth and errr that might take a while ;)`
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`11:37.37`	`VDVsx`	`just upgraded his fremantle sdk... hildon-desktop don't start anymore :P`
`11:39.53`	`andre__`	`VDVsx, file bugs ;-)`
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`11:41.03`	`wazd`	`hmm, nothing really new in SDK?)`
`11:41.25`	`VDVsx`	`andre__, so many errors, I have to wait for the official beta 2, I guess`
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`11:41.46`	`andre__`	`VDVsx, but the official beta 2 is out :-P`
`11:42.56`	`VDVsx`	`andre__, humm, thanks, will give a try after lunch :)`
`11:43.18`	`lcuk2`	`andre__, how recently? as in just being rolled out now?`
`11:43.29`	`lcuk2`	`gets lost by the numbers`
`11:43.30`	`andre__`	`yes`
`11:43.42`	`lcuk2`	`ooooh swankeh!`
`11:44.03`	`RST38h`	`VDV: "A clean and fresh install is recommended because the software has evolved since the last release. However, an upgrade from Beta release can be attempted by following the instructions in the Installation page."`
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`11:44.53`	`rkirti`	`errr.. is this talk about the beta 2 sdk or something else ?`
`11:45.16`	`lcuk2`	`i hope its about the sdk lol`
`11:45.17`	`VDVsx`	`RST38h, RST38h, lol, my instructions was the usual, apt-get update - upgrade`
`11:45.20`	`RST38h`	`Status bar area now available`
`11:45.25`	`lcuk2`	`andre__, might be on about something else`
`11:45.28`	`RST38h`	`VDV: Wrong, WRONG thing to do...`
`11:45.35`	`RST38h`	`VDV: (with Maemo anyway)`
`11:45.38`	`lcuk2`	`-,`
`11:46.18`	`jjo`	`upgrade should work if you follow the instructions ;)`
`11:46.27`	`rkirti`	`lcuk2: I asked because when I googled, hoping to get the new sdk, I got into the beta 2 release of eclipse integration instead. Maybe I am just short of caffeine :-`
`11:46.44`	`lcuk2`	`yeah prolly`
`11:46.57`	`rkirti`	`:-(`
`11:47.11`	`Stskeeps`	`wonders if rkirti's caffeine addiction is related to the gsoc work`
`11:47.18`	`lcuk2`	`you need to get a bigger coffee pot`
`11:47.32`	`rkirti`	`Stskeeps: huh?`
`11:47.48`	`jjo`	`couple of debs cause problems but you can work around the problem by installing them first`
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`11:48.27`	`Stskeeps`	`if i had to do your gsoc work, i would develop a severe caffeine addiction`
`11:49.43`	`rkirti`	`Stskeeps: life at my institute == 10-12 cups of coffee a day to survive the exams , 5-6 a day otherwise. My parents are so sick of my coffee habits that they totally ban it when I am at home :-(`
`11:50.48`	`rkirti`	`Stskeeps: rright. <sarcasm>I totally believe that, with all my heart </sarcasm> You are doing SO MUCH MORE :-/`
`11:51.10`	`Stskeeps`	`ah, withdrawal at parents make the experience so much better`
`11:51.15`	`rkirti`	`hows the b'day celebrations going ?`
`11:51.31`	`Stskeeps`	`at a train station`
`11:51.38`	`Stskeeps`	`good fun :P`
`11:51.45`	`rkirti`	`hehe`
`11:51.49`	`rkirti`	`brb`
`11:51.54`	`lcuk2`	`rkirti, thats an awful lot of water intake, you should really just start chewing coffee beans`
`11:52.01`	`lcuk2`	`and bypass the extra trips to the toilet ;)`
`11:52.05`	`RST38h`	`Sts: Don't you try to quit on us this early! =)`
`11:53.15`	`RST38h`	`Hmm, no esound on the Fremantle device. Have to get back to my ALSA code`
`11:53.22`	`andre__`	`Stskeeps, cheers`
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`11:54.58`	`timelyx`	`lcuk2: i think most of them were more like "doh. <q class=stern>this will be fixed"`
`11:56.12`	`lcuk2`	`yeah i have lots of notes like that`
`11:56.29`	`lcuk2`	`i gather you didnt let the poor guy whip out an editor and change it there and then ;)`
`11:56.43`	`timelyx`	`there were also some <q class=underbreath>the testers should have found this`
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`11:56.58`	`timelyx`	`andre__: ping`
`11:57.03`	`timelyx`	`i've got a bug for you (i think)`
`11:57.18`	`timelyx`	`andre__: find a password field in Maemo5`
`11:57.33`	`timelyx`	`enter: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz (don't press <enter>)`
`11:57.51`	`timelyx`	`or if you prefer: qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm (don't press <enter>)`
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`11:58.11`	`timelyx`	`when you're ready, press and hold <backspace>`
`11:58.30`	`timelyx`	`pay close attention near the end`
`11:59.24`	`Stskeeps`	`RST38h: going to southern jutland to meet up with the fiancee :P`
`11:59.33`	`andre__`	`timelyx, browser, or system (like device lock)?`
`11:59.48`	`timelyx`	`i haven't tried browser`
`11:59.57`	`timelyx`	`i encountered it "elsewhere"`
`11:59.58`	`Stskeeps`	`gah.. driving in the wrong direction`
`12:00.13`	`timelyx`	`visiting the other woman?`
`12:00.32`	`Stskeeps`	`hehe, no :P`
`12:00.50`	`Stskeeps`	`i just don't like to sit with my back to the driving direction :P`
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`12:02.49`	`timelyx`	`anyway, i should be off`
`12:02.55`	`timelyx`	`my phone should be charged`
`12:04.13`	`Stskeeps`	`jjo, weird question - where is your theme?`
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`12:04.33`	`Stskeeps`	`ah, nokia-binaries`
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`12:15.08`	`Stskeeps`	`is there a new theme in the new SDK?`
`12:15.50`	`RST38h`	`No new screenshots yet`
`12:16.08`	`RST38h`	`But from the bugs-fixed list it looks like they are now making effort to make the desktop resizable`
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`12:16.57`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: packages looks cool, repository list page looks a little short, could probably double the number of packages shown`
`12:17.14`	`wazd`	`btw, can I install SDK on Kubuntu?)`
`12:17.25`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: Yeah, there are still a lot of things I need to tweak.`
`12:17.27`	`RST38h`	`Prolly`
`12:17.38`	`wazd`	`or should I use gnome one?`
`12:17.47`	`RST38h`	`I do not think it matters`
`12:17.50`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: But to be honest, I'm already suprised I made it in time for the beta2 release ;)`
`12:18.15`	`finn`	`RST38h: the missing file system error is still present`
`12:18.26`	`RST38h`	`finn: Then I dunno.`
`12:18.39`	`andre__`	`RST38h, "desktop resizable" means?`
`12:18.42`	`finn`	`k, thanks`
`12:18.45`	`Jaffa`	`X-Fade: :)`
`12:19.15`	`X-Fade`	`Jaffa: Turns out dependency trees etc, can be really hard :)`
`12:20.03`	`RST38h`	`andre: Quoting from changes document: #2785 status bar should be resizeable.`
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`12:22.32`	`andre__`	`RST38h, well, for that bug i can say that the space is now much much better used`
`12:22.52`	`andre__`	`ok, it's still not resizable. but that's not needed anymore`
`12:23.03`	`RST38h`	`andre: Screenshots?`
`12:23.25`	`andre__`	`RST38h, i don't plan to be the leak ;-)`
`12:23.37`	`andre__`	`seen it in copenhagen`
`12:23.38`	`RST38h`	`andre: Well, beta2 has been just released`
`12:23.49`	`andre__`	`yeah, and i haven't tried beta2 yet`
`12:23.50`	`RST38h`	`So you won't be leaking anything`
`12:23.53`	`RST38h`	`ah ok`
`12:24.01`	`andre__`	`don't know if that part is included in beta2 actually`
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`12:24.52`	`talig`	`Anyone has any idea about making promisc mode work in N810?`
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`12:26.49`	`lbt`	`you shrank`
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`12:27.49`	`Jaffa`	`wonders if the "installation guide" RST38h quoted makes it clear and easy to differentiate between re-installing Scratchbox, and reinstalling the rootstrap.`
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`12:28.02`	`amr`	`i wonder what i can do with my 770...`
`12:28.05`	`amr`	`it has the wsod problem`
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`12:30.13`	`amr`	`is there a way to save the 770 after a wsod?`
`12:30.17`	`amr`	`i assume a reflashing wont do anything`
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`12:31.08`	`qwerty12_N810`	`arrange for a friend to steal it and get £5 back from the insurance`
`12:31.15`	`amr`	`heh`
`12:32.29`	`talig`	`Guys, anyone has a clue about enabling wifi in promiscuous mode, except for attaching a usb wlan device?`
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`12:34.00`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Stskeeps, happy birthday. :P`
`12:34.05`	`Stskeeps`	`GeneralAntilles: ta`
`12:34.18`	`Stskeeps`	`and of course a shitload of work to do, with beta2 coming out`
`12:34.19`	`Stskeeps`	`:P`
`12:34.43`	`GeneralAntilles`	`andre__, can I talk you into deconfusing http://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3415 ? :P`
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`12:35.49`	`andre__`	`GeneralAntilles, how to deconfuse if i"m confused myself? :-P`
`12:36.23`	`GeneralAntilles`	`andre__, the guy is using things to prove to the other me that I'm confused.`
`12:36.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`The problem is that he's confusing the N800 power-on issue with this issue.`
`12:37.25`	`andre__`	`GeneralAntilles, and you expect me to....?`
`12:37.38`	`GeneralAntilles`	`andre__, make everything magically clear. :P`
`12:38.03`	`andre__`	`so I add a "You are all wronk! WRONK!" comment?! hmm... :)`
`12:38.35`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Damn, X-Fade.`
`12:38.45`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Wazzup?`
`12:38.53`	`lbt`	`jeremiah_: p i n g`
`12:39.17`	`GeneralAntilles`	`X-Fade, packages looks swanky.`
`12:39.48`	`X-Fade`	`GeneralAntilles: Well, didn't do much about the looks yet. About 30 minutes orso ;)`
`12:40.23`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: I am pretty sure they mean the whole new installation, SB etc`
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`12:42.20`	`timelys`	`Hey, anyone here have the latest sdk?`
`12:42.32`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Still no task switcher?`
`12:43.07`	`timelys`	`Does the sdk have any username with password dialogs?`
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`12:47.58`	`GeneralAntilles`	`Hello, S60 icons.`
`12:48.13`	`Stskeeps`	`screenshots!`
`12:48.49`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Eugh, why should an SDK upgrade require me to go through the pain of a Scratchbox install.`
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`12:48.57`	`Jaffa`	`And this is why I mutter about developer pain`
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`13:01.25`	`RST38h`	`Sts: Where?`
`13:01.52`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: I dunno. I don't care to know. All I know is that every time I try partial upgrade things go wrong`
`13:02.52`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: On Windows, all this crap would come in a single MaemoSDK.msi file that you click on.`
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`13:03.53`	`RST38h`	`Meanwhile... The Chinese government has declared that electric shock treatment is not a suitable therapy for youths allegedly addicted to the internet.`
`13:04.11`	`Stskeeps`	`it's nt?`
`13:04.14`	`Stskeeps`	`not`
`13:04.19`	`RST38h`	`apparently`
`13:04.29`	`RST38h`	`they probably LIKE it`
`13:08.08`	`fiferboy`	`coldboot: Hi, did you submit the fix?`
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`13:08.35`	`GAN800`	`mutters about New Yorkers.`
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`13:14.40`	`GAN800`	`Did we get MicroB in beta 2? I saw some stuff in non-free but didn't have time to check free.`
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`13:16.54`	`andre__`	`GAN800, as far as I know browser is not included (not tried beta2 myself though)`
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`13:17.28`	`GAN800`	`Parts of it are then, I guess.`
`13:18.40`	`timelys`	`It wasn't supposed to go`
`13:18.55`	`andre__`	`sigh. fremantle still has lots of proxy bugs. sigh. sigh. sigh.`
`13:19.11`	`timelys`	`I'm shocked!`
`13:19.29`	`man_in_shack`	`SHOCKINGLY SHOCKED`
`13:19.44`	`X-Fade`	`andre__: Probably because the Nokia proxy is buggy :)`
`13:20.09`	`GAN800`	`Fremantle still has lots of communication bugs. . . .`
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`13:20.23`	`GAN800`	`is tired of seeing andre in my bugmail.`
`13:20.37`	`GAN800`	`No offense, andre__. ;)`
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`13:21.12`	`andre__`	`GAN800, no problem, i can resign immediately ;-)`
`13:22.02`	`GAN800`	`Only if it'd kick those damn Nokians into action. ;)`
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`13:26.11`	`lcuk3`	`GAN800, book a flight, knock on the door carefully (watch out, its automatic), kick ass`
`13:26.30`	`RST38h`	`GAN: It would require sqcrificing virgins, I am afraid.`
`13:26.37`	`RST38h`	`Repetitively, too.`
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`13:27.07`	`GAN800`	`RST38h, shouldn't be a problem. This IS IRC. ;)`
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`13:28.07`	`wazd_ubuntu`	`hehe :)`
`13:28.12`	`RST38h`	`No, looks like it will need to be an IRL sacrifice =)`
`13:28.20`	`RST38h`	`Hehe, wazd ended up installing ubuntu =)`
`13:28.24`	`timeless_mbp`	`GAN800: it's only going to get worse for a bit`
`13:28.32`	`timeless_mbp`	`but keep in mind, most nokians are on vacation this month :)`
`13:28.46`	`timeless_mbp`	`it should get better sometime around harmattan :)`
`13:28.49`	`lcuk3`	`thats umpossible, gan hasn't unlocked "going outside" achievement`
`13:28.52`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Gnome desktop is actually cleaner, although lacks many "features"`
`13:28.55`	`timeless_mbp`	`(don't ask me what a harmattan is, i don't know)`
`13:29.36`	`wazd_ubuntu`	`rst38h, well, I even installed VMWare tools :P`
`13:29.38`	`GAN800`	`timeless_mbp, Nokia is slowly wearing away all of my enthusiasm for this platform. :)`
`13:30.02`	`timeless_mbp`	`GAN800: it's all about the people :)`
`13:30.02`	`GAN800`	`lcuk3, it was worth 50g, and I have too, you dolt. :P`
`13:30.04`	`timeless_mbp`	`(the people here that is)`
`13:30.05`	`wazd_ubuntu`	`rst38h, dunno if it will enable some kind of 3d acceleration though`
`13:30.36`	`lcuk3`	`timeless_mbp, does that mean we need "fixed in frem^W harmattan" tshirts`
`13:31.08`	`timeless_mbp`	`lcuk3: i think you can wait at least a month before you start negotiating with a printer for those :)`
`13:31.25`	`timeless_mbp`	`for all i know you might be able to wait twenty or thirty months :)`
`13:31.29`	`timeless_mbp`	`(but i sure hope not)`
`13:31.38`	`timeless_mbp`	`knows nothing about schedules and likes it that way`
`13:31.39`	`fiferboy`	`wazd: If you have OpenGL in Windows and use virtualbox 3 you can use OpenGL in the guest`
`13:32.06`	`fiferboy`	`I'm not sure about VMWare, I think it does an OpenGL/Direct3D translation on some combination of host/guest systems`
`13:32.18`	`RST38h`	`wazd: Are you running it inside VMWare then?`
`13:32.19`	`wazd_ubuntu`	`fiferboy: I have OpenGL but I use VMWare :(`
`13:32.24`	`wazd_ubuntu`	`rsT38h, yep`
`13:32.27`	`timeless_mbp`	`wazd: upgrade ;-)`
`13:32.35`	`RST38h`	`Ah, just install Ubuntu directly`
`13:32.52`	`fiferboy`	`wazd_ubuntu: VMWare might do OpenGL->OpenGL too now, I'm not sure`
`13:32.57`	`RST38h`	`I mean, sooner or later, you will still end up installing it directly, so why delay the inevitable...`
`13:33.51`	`fiferboy`	`wazd_ubuntu: This might work for you: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~andreslc/xen-gl/`
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`13:36.50`	`wazd`	`fiferboy: oh, thanks!`
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`13:51.45`	`Jaffa`	`3.3x faster ARM JIT just been pushed into Jalimo`
`13:52.07`	`javispedro`	`cacao or?`
`13:54.11`	`RST38h`	`Using Jazelle or what?`
`13:54.52`	`talig`	`Hi everyone, does anyone know of a way to get the wlan0 in promisc mode?`
`13:54.58`	`javispedro`	`isn't Jazelle yet another totally undocumented and unused feature of my beloved N8x0?`
`13:55.10`	`X-Fade`	`Is it me or is there an echo in here?`
`13:55.36`	`javispedro`	`too many questions? :D`
`13:56.21`	`talig`	`I think he's referring to me repeating the same unanswered question...`
`13:56.42`	`talig`	`But I may be wrong`
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`14:03.21`	`GAN800`	`talig, you don't.`
`14:03.35`	`talig`	`Why not? :(`
`14:03.38`	`GAN800`	`Unless you can hack the firmware.`
`14:05.01`	`talig`	`Could you please elaborate a bit? Also, there's the open source driver - you have a clue if that will do the trick?`
`14:05.41`	`talig`	`[I mean the stlc45xx driver]`
`14:06.19`	`X-Fade`	`talig: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/stlc45xx-devel/2009-January/000125.html`
`14:06.33`	`X-Fade`	`talig: "Start interface in promiscuous mode by default.`
`14:06.48`	`X-Fade`	`Google tells me that at least.`
`14:07.11`	`timeless_mbp`	`javispedro: so um...`
`14:07.55`	`timeless_mbp`	`http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/java/jazelle.html`
`14:07.55`	`javispedro`	`hi :D`
`14:08.09`	`talig`	`X-Fade, thanks. Do you know if it works though?`
`14:08.23`	`X-Fade`	`talig: Why don't you try it out? :)`
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`14:08.39`	`lcuk3`	`and write a nice wiki page to help people who follow`
`14:09.44`	`javispedro`	`why the * does that arm.com contain a link to mozillazine's "Help with Embedded Video for Firefox" thread?`
`14:09.52`	`timeless_mbp`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazelle`
`14:09.52`	`talig`	`lcuk - definitely, if I'm forced to go through with it... X-Fade, I suppose I will inevitably have to. I was hoping to find here someone who already has, since there isn't much mentions about all of this online.`
`14:10.00`	`timeless_mbp`	`javispedro: i was wondering about that :)`
`14:10.19`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Hi David`
`14:10.42`	`timeless_mbp`	`javispedro: but really...`
`14:10.42`	`javispedro`	`timeless_mbp, according to wikipedia "The published specifications are very incomplete, being only sufficient for writing operating system code that can support a JVM that uses Jazelle"`
`14:10.47`	`X-Fade`	`Does anybody have a package that can be uploaded to fremantle extras-devel, so I can test the upgraded autobuilder? :)`
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`14:11.01`	`timeless_mbp`	`if i sold you a pocket knife`
`14:11.14`	`timeless_mbp`	`and said "you can use this to cut things, and it'll fit in your pocket"`
`14:11.28`	`timeless_mbp`	`would you complain if it was actually a swiss army knife and could do a bunch of other things?`
`14:11.52`	`timeless_mbp`	`i didn't market those other features, and i probably bought the knife without intending to use them, so i didn't pay for the documentation on those other features`
`14:12.02`	`timeless_mbp`	`which made it cheaper for me to test and package and document my knife`
`14:12.25`	`lbt`	`fiferboy: hi Andrew`
`14:12.37`	`lbt`	`I'm just writing up some OBS cross compile stuff`
`14:12.44`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: As far as I know, Jazelle is disabled unless you pay extra money to ARm to enable it`
`14:12.49`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I'm taking a look at those issues Antonio brought up about finger scrolling`
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`14:13.04`	`lbt`	`did he reply about the branch?`
`14:13.05`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: And no, it is not just lack of documentation but an actual disabled-on-chip thing`
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`14:13.24`	`javispedro`	`please note I'm not blaming Nokia for this`
`14:13.26`	`lbt`	`(also, did you see my comments on branching ... and what do you think?)`
`14:13.30`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: hildon-pannable-area seems to arbitrarily limit the maximum scroll width to 788 and height to 378`
`14:13.57`	`lbt`	`I don't think we should be emulating h-p-a in many ways ;)`
`14:14.45`	`lbt`	`fiferboy: imagine Mer, using h-p-a on an 800x600 device`
`14:14.48`	`lbt`	`<sigh>`
`14:14.52`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I saw them, and I think I agree :)`
`14:15.05`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: on the other side, I find it hard to believe they selectively disable/enable Jazelle`
`14:15.09`	`lbt`	`BTW, I installed fremantle conboy on Mer now`
`14:15.15`	`lbt`	`and it uses h-p-a`
`14:15.16`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I know, maybe I should put it in a FREMANTLE ifdef`
`14:15.18`	`javispedro`	`considering they've done a pretty nice job "hiding the details", why disable it?`
`14:15.19`	`lbt`	`and it breaks :)`
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`14:15.31`	`lbt`	`'cos conboy can't select text anymore!`
`14:15.58`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: All teh fremantle deps are there?`
`14:16.00`	`lbt`	`fiferboy: I don't like ifdefs based on things like 'FREMANTLE' .. they should be functional`
`14:16.14`	`GAN800`	`timeless_mbp, but I want the Swiss Army Knife for the pocket knife price.`
`14:16.19`	`lbt`	`and then the ./configure for fremantle should (de-)select them`
`14:16.51`	`timeless_mbp`	`GAN800: well, figuring out how to use it safely is your problem`
`14:16.55`	`javispedro`	`timeless_mbp: I blame ARM and Omap. I didn't blame Palm when they did not provide USB host software, but since I had free XScale documentation I developed a driver myself and thus satifised my hacking needs`
`14:16.56`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I understand trying to get Qt to behave as much like Fremantle as possible at this point`
`14:17.05`	`lbt`	`sure`
`14:17.08`	`javispedro`	`(and BTW I fried my Palm T\|X that way :P )`
`14:17.14`	`Jaffa`	`RST38h: Cacao: not sure; javispedro: not Jazelle`
`14:17.18`	`timeless_mbp`	`javispedro: heh`
`14:17.35`	`timeless_mbp`	`javispedro: anyway... you sound like the kind of person who could try poking jazelle`
`14:17.49`	`lbt`	`won't she object?`
`14:17.55`	`javispedro`	`not at all, since I can't read ARM assembler :D`
`14:18.08`	`timeless_mbp`	`reading arm asm isn't that bad`
`14:18.14`	`fiferboy`	`If we are going to limit something in finger scrolling to make it like h-p-a, at least we can only do it for Fremantle`
`14:18.21`	`StsMob`	`I wonder if two touch is good for selecting stuff`
`14:18.23`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: let me look around for a moment`
`14:18.29`	`timeless_mbp`	`http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/jazelle/jazelle.html`
`14:18.30`	`fiferboy`	`Not the best solution, perhaps, but it'll kind of work for now, sort of`
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`14:19.21`	`lbt`	`fiferboy: well, I hate having to #define FREMANTLE in Mer`
`14:19.28`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Okay, so with git if I want to work only on the mew-fingerscrolling branch but still need to compile with all the qt-diablo fixes, how best to do that?`
`14:19.38`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: somebody got there before you: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg12992.html`
`14:19.49`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Ah yes, because you want all the Fremantle features but no the limitations...`
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`14:19.54`	`lbt`	`yes`
`14:20.03`	`fiferboy`	`Maybe we should have FREMANTLE_FEATURE and FREMANTLE_LIMIT :)`
`14:20.20`	`lbt`	`make it functional... LIMIT_SCROLL_AREA`
`14:20.31`	`lbt`	`then #ifdef FREMANTLE #define LIMT....`
`14:20.51`	`fiferboy`	`Wouldn't that still limit for mer with the FREMANTLE define?`
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`14:21.09`	`lbt`	`yes, but I'll have one less to fix when I go and correct them all`
`14:21.25`	`fiferboy`	`Alrighty, I can do that.`
`14:21.27`	`javispedro`	`" the Java hypothetical machine (JVM) " this is going to be fun :D`
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`14:22.46`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Currently I cloned the git repo, created a "merging" branch and checked out qt-diablo and merged mer-fingerscrolling`
`14:23.08`	`fiferboy`	`If I want to work on finger scrolling, should I have it completely separated in a different branch?`
`14:23.15`	`RST38h`	`BTW, Cortex appears to not support Jazelle`
`14:23.24`	`RST38h`	`So forget about it in N9x0`
`14:23.38`	`javispedro`	`RST38h: cause I assume that at some point it's just slower than JIT`
`14:23.47`	`fiferboy`	`And if I want to test the compile, have a qt-diablo branch and merge my local finger scrolling branch in?`
`14:24.13`	`lbt`	`have you read http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious`
`14:24.17`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro: That'd be my guess too. A good JIT should outperform Jazelle`
`14:24.29`	`VDVsx`	`lcuk3, "Update: With the Fremantle beta2 release the Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) aka 4500MHD aka GM45 on Ubuntu 9.04 seems to work fast out of the box without any special configuration."`
`14:24.41`	`lbt`	`fiferboy: that sounds close`
`14:24.52`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I have looked at that before`
`14:25.03`	`lbt`	`I think you should checkout mer/fingerscroll, make changes and then`
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`14:25.19`	`lbt`	`to test, merge into a build branch and then build`
`14:25.30`	`lcuk3`	`VDVsx, now that sounds like a serious improvement!`
`14:25.33`	`javispedro`	`either way wikipedia says Cortex ha s it`
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`14:25.45`	`fiferboy`	`Oh My God! I think I understand git!`
`14:25.46`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: ARM says Cortex does not have Jazelle`
`14:25.48`	`fiferboy`	`(a little bit)`
`14:25.50`	`VDVsx`	`lcuk3, you can test it now :)`
`14:26.11`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: "Provides trivial implementation where BXJ acts as BX"`
`14:26.15`	`lcuk3`	`not really, still doesnt support xv i bet`
`14:26.38`	`lcuk3`	`will just carry on making n8x0 better :)`
`14:27.06`	`javispedro`	`I think I read somewhere about that, that they were concentrating instead on "accelerating common JITted languages operations"`
`14:27.14`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Can we remove the "fingerscroll" branch from gitorious and just keep "mer-fingerscrolling"?`
`14:27.28`	`lbt`	`yes, I think so.`
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`14:27.56`	`lbt`	`delete locally and : git push :deadbranch`
`14:28.00`	`lbt`	`the : is important`
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`14:30.04`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro RST38h: http://lists.evolvis.org/pipermail/jalimo-info/2009-July/000361.html`
`14:33.53`	`javispedro`	`"It delivers 70-80% of the performance of a JIT without the additional costs associated with a JIT solution such as extra memory to cache the JIT code"`
`14:34.24`	`RST38h`	`Jaffa: This does not sound like big news then`
`14:34.35`	`RST38h`	`So, they replaced C interpreter with assembly one...`
`14:34.47`	`javispedro`	`one of the reasons of Jazelle is reduced memory usage`
`14:34.49`	`glass`	`how expensive they think memory is`
`14:34.52`	`RST38h`	`Still no prepackaged MIDP solution for the tablets in Extras, too`
`14:34.59`	`javispedro`	`so I see why ARM is targeting that`
`14:35.50`	`ShadowJK`	`I heard nokia doesn't use it in any of their phones`
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`14:36.50`	`ShadowJK`	`the licensing fees to arm are probably not worth it :)`
`14:37.02`	`glass`	`yeah probably not`
`14:37.28`	`glass`	`per mhz their own vm(sun originated iirc..) isn't bad`
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`14:37.55`	`VDVsx`	`humm, the main menu layout in the beta 2 is a bit weird`
`14:38.17`	`lcuk3`	`this thread is useless without screenshots`
`14:38.26`	`javispedro`	`agreed :)`
`14:39.03`	`coldboot`	`fiferboy: Just got in to work, haven't submitted it yet.`
`14:39.24`	`fiferboy`	`coldboot: Gotcha. Glad it's working`
`14:39.52`	`RST38h`	`glass: Sun has two`
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`14:40.15`	`RST38h`	`glass: One is SunSpot, which costs money, near impossible to get unless you are a big company, and uses JIT`
`14:40.27`	`RST38h`	`glass: Another is KVM, free but really really slow`
`14:40.52`	`glass`	`RST38h: yep but i'm not sure which nokia has and also could fall under some nda..`
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`14:42.48`	`VDVsx`	`lcuk3, http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_menu.jpeg`
`14:42.55`	`VDVsx`	`probably will appear more things in this menu`
`14:43.06`	`lcuk3`	`anonymous delivers!`
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`14:44.38`	`javispedro`	`i'm seeing there's no j2se jazelle-enabled vm available, not even from Sun.`
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`14:46.37`	`VDVsx`	`also new: http://www.valeriovalerio.org/images/fremantle_beta2_settings.jpeg`
`14:46.58`	`RST38h`	`glass: Well, my E70 definitely has KVM =)`
`14:50.18`	`javispedro`	`green close icon???? that's it, i'm not buying the N900 ;)`
`14:51.02`	`VDVsx`	`javispedro, the dev theme is green :)`
`14:51.58`	`javispedro`	`I'll need to install that someday`
`14:52.50`	`fiferboy`	`Oh no, I think I am starting to like git!`
`14:53.10`	`coldboot`	`Can you fix your git repository in Gitorious, or once you push is it there forever?`
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`14:53.45`	`fiferboy`	`I haven't done anything with gitorious repos yet...`
`14:53.59`	`lbt`	`coldboot: define 'fix'`
`14:54.09`	`ShadowJK`	`javispedro, yeah you have to pay arm for it`
`14:54.34`	`javispedro`	`ShadowJK, you have to pay for the J2ME one. The J2SE one is not even available.`
`14:54.43`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I reverted the wrong change and pushed to my fork of qt-maemo.`
`14:55.02`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I want to fix it up, by removing that revert, and having the erased history reflected on gitorious.`
`14:55.53`	`lbt`	`by revert... did you commit a deletion patch?`
`14:56.03`	`coldboot`	`lbt: Yeah`
`14:56.06`	`lbt`	`or reset HEAD by -1 ?`
`14:56.15`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: The green close button is probably the least of the problems with Fremantle UI`
`14:56.16`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I committed a git-revert`
`14:56.17`	`lbt`	`OK, you can probably reset HEAD`
`14:56.26`	`lbt`	`git reset HEAD^1`
`14:56.31`	`coldboot`	`But I have other commits surrounding it now`
`14:56.34`	`lbt`	`use gitk --all&`
`14:56.40`	`coldboot`	`I have 1, 2, 3, 4 -- and I want to delete 2`
`14:56.47`	`qwerty12_N810`	`RST38h: UI?...`
`14:56.50`	`lbt`	`OK, go to 1,`
`14:56.53`	`lbt`	`branch`
`14:56.58`	`lbt`	`cherry pick 3,4`
`14:56.59`	`lcuk3`	`VDVsx, well at least it doesnt look likea music player anymore :p`
`14:57.04`	`javispedro`	`RST38h, just being sarcastic :)`
`14:57.04`	`lbt`	`delete orig branch`
`14:57.11`	`lbt`	`name 4 as head of new branch`
`14:57.17`	`RST38h`	`ShadowJK: "pay arm for it" sounded...mmm...deeper than it should have`
`14:57.41`	`coldboot`	`lbt: Is there any way to do this on Gitorious as well?`
`14:57.54`	`lbt`	`a push will then send it to remote`
`14:58.00`	`lcuk3`	`javispedro, be thankful theres a close icon at all! its one of the biggest bones on contention according to t.m.o`
`14:58.01`	`coldboot`	`lbt: And overwrite the history?`
`14:58.02`	`RST38h`	`"An Italian wedding reception ended badly when the bride's bouquet downed an ultralight aircraft"`
`14:58.10`	`lbt`	`you risk upsetting people who have pulled but you don't care :)`
`14:58.22`	`coldboot`	`lbt: Okay cool, I thought git-push wouldn't let you do that.`
`14:58.29`	`lbt`	`there is no history if nothing points to a point in the future`
`14:58.33`	`coldboot`	`lbt: So what happens to others if you do this?`
`14:58.47`	`lbt`	`they have a dangling commit which should be pruned`
`14:58.51`	`lbt`	`as there is no ref`
`14:59.03`	`javispedro`	`ohh... a multitasking gadget without close icon... microsoft already tried it ;)`
`14:59.16`	`lbt`	`it's bad practice if you run a genuine shared repo`
`14:59.26`	`lbt`	`you're just learning and have no friends though ;)`
`14:59.54`	`lbt`	`I would be cautious doing it to qt-maemo`
`15:00.00`	`lbt`	`and wouldn't do it to qt`
`15:00.02`	`VDVsx`	`anyone knows how to run/view the example-status-applet & maemo5-load-applet ? :)`
`15:00.37`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I did all of the cherry-picking, and git reset --hard HEAD, but git-branch still says I'm on "no branch"`
`15:00.46`	`coldboot`	`lbt: This was all on the qt-diablo branch.`
`15:01.11`	`lbt`	`url ?`
`15:01.56`	`lbt`	`nhooey ?`
`15:02.12`	`coldboot`	`http://qt.gitorious.org/~nhooey/qt/nhooey-qt-maemo-bugfixes`
`15:02.23`	`coldboot`	`It hasn't been pushed yet`
`15:02.44`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I have git-log showing everything I want, it's all ready to go, I just need to have git-branch show that I'm on qt-diablo instead of "no branch"`
`15:03.01`	`lbt`	`OK`
`15:03.12`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I have to move the head of qt-diablo to point to the head I'm looking at now, right?`
`15:03.29`	`lbt`	`probably git branch -d qt-diablo ; git checkout -b qt-diablo`
`15:05.54`	`coldboot`	`lbt: That's probably going to delete a branch, then try to checkout a branch that no longer exists...`
`15:06.15`	`lbt`	`it deletes the mnemonic reference to a commit`
`15:06.48`	`lbt`	`then it starts on the current commit and creates a branch (mnemonic reference) to the current commit called qt-maemo`
`15:07.02`	`lbt`	`I think`
`15:07.17`	`amr`	`sounds simple`
`15:07.32`	`lbt`	`it's actually very simple :)`
`15:07.46`	`lbt`	`a branch is a file holding a number`
`15:08.13`	`lbt`	`if you look at the number it contains a back-link (linked-list style) to the previous commit(s)`
`15:08.29`	`lbt`	`a branch is not a collection of commits`
`15:08.39`	`coldboot`	Oh I had to `git reset --hard <commit_that_i_want_as_head>` while I was on the qt-diablo branch.
`15:09.08`	`coldboot`	`A branch is a pointer to a commit, which has many ancestor pointers, right?`
`15:09.10`	`lbt`	`OK, wasn't sure if checkout -b works on a non-branch`
`15:09.14`	`lbt`	`http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/`
`15:09.26`	`coldboot`	`Who else would git be for? ;)`
`15:09.37`	`lbt`	`http://hoth.entp.com/output/git_for_designers.html`
`15:09.56`	`coldboot`	`Wow much longer...`
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`15:10.20`	`andre___`	`Stskeeps, can you check 4649 again in SDK beta2?`
`15:10.29`	`RST38h`	`lbt: Are all of these instances of "git for geeks" though?`
`15:10.43`	`lbt`	`geek is the new black`
`15:11.23`	`RST38h`	`hands lbt a machete`
`15:12.58`	`lbt`	`wanders out to cut down the jungle...... I'll be back for breakfast... smoke me a kipper!`
`15:15.04`	`coldboot`	`Does anyone know how to merge request?`
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`15:18.38`	`lcuk3`	`lbt, "what a guy!"`
`15:24.39`	`javispedro`	`I hate myself. Was thinking "don't read that jazelle discussion, don't read that jazelle discussion don't read or you'll do no real work today"`
`15:24.43`	`javispedro`	`I read it.`
`15:24.45`	`javispedro`	`:(`
`15:24.46`	`coldboot`	`Alright I sent a merge request for the flickering bug for qt-maemo on qt-diablo branch.`
`15:25.10`	`javispedro`	`already fired up gdb :(`
`15:25.29`	`fiferboy`	`coldboot: Got the merge request`
`15:25.34`	`coldboot`	`woo`
`15:25.40`	`coldboot`	`This is so fun.`
`15:25.50`	`fiferboy`	`Probably should have sent it to Antonio...`
`15:26.08`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: And now the worst thing is going to happen to you`
`15:26.09`	`coldboot`	`I just made the request on Gitorious, it should be sent to everyone.`
`15:26.25`	`fiferboy`	`Ah, okay. It looks like it is only to me in my email.`
`15:26.26`	`RST38h`	`javispedro: You will start hacking it and the next thing you know, it is Christmas`
`15:26.42`	`coldboot`	`fiferboy: Probably sends out separate emails to each person.`
`15:26.47`	`javispedro`	`:(`
`15:26.49`	`fiferboy`	`coldboot: Probably right`
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`15:27.40`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: Everytime I try to checkout mer-fingerscrolling I get this:`
`15:27.41`	`fiferboy`	`git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing`
`15:28.11`	`javispedro`	`lucky for me I'm going on vacation soon`
`15:28.31`	`javispedro`	`btw, does any of you use a handheld (not a car) garmin gps? do you know some neat backtrack-like software?`
`15:28.38`	`javispedro`	`for the nit of course`
`15:28.43`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: I can check out other branches with no problems`
`15:29.53`	`lbt`	`mer/fingerscrolling ?`
`15:31.23`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: It helps if I use the correct branch name :\|`
`15:31.33`	`lbt`	`nods`
`15:31.39`	`fiferboy`	`mer-fingerscroll, I was using mer-fingerscrolling`
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`15:37.32`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: overshoot max is actually 150, I was reading the MAXIMUM WIDTH/HEIGHT ALLOCATABLE TO H-P-A`
`15:37.45`	`fiferboy`	`They actually restrict the size of the widget based on the screen resolution`
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`15:57.38`	`lbt`	`coldboot: I think tThe merge request should be against the right branch.`
`15:58.16`	`lbt`	`I think hildon-input-method ? rather than qt-maemo?`
`15:59.21`	`javispedro`	`what a fast hacking session`
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`15:59.32`	`javispedro`	`jazelle IS enabled on the N810`
`15:59.43`	`javispedro`	`.byte 4 /* iconst_1 /.byte 0xFF / eof? */`
`15:59.50`	`javispedro`	`produces r3 0x11`
`16:00.00`	`javispedro`	`so it has loaded a 1 on the java stack`
`16:00.42`	`javispedro`	`it eventually crashes since it keeps on running`
`16:00.49`	`javispedro`	`but the 1 is there, on the java stack :D`
`16:01.33`	`coldboot`	`lbt: qt-diablo it should be against`
`16:01.42`	`lbt`	`why ?`
`16:01.56`	`coldboot`	`lbt: I'm not sure, that's what I was told initially to pull from...`
`16:02.05`	`lbt`	`yes, well :)`
`16:02.26`	`lbt`	`we need (as a group) to better understand how to use DVCS`
`16:02.32`	`coldboot`	`Probably true.`
`16:02.33`	`lbt`	`I have proposals`
`16:02.48`	`lbt`	`but they may not fit with how others work`
`16:02.49`	`coldboot`	`So just to be clear, should I have pulled from qt-diablo to begin with?`
`16:02.55`	`lbt`	`yes`
`16:03.05`	`coldboot`	`And then I merge request to hildon?`
`16:03.10`	`lbt`	`qt-diablo is a working, fully merged branch`
`16:03.30`	`coldboot`	`So I merge to hildon, and eventually someone merges back to diablo when they feel it's safe.`
`16:03.38`	`lbt`	`did you catch my email on the qt-dev list?`
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`16:03.54`	`lbt`	`we should be maintaining a managed set of patches`
`16:04.00`	`coldboot`	`I'm not subscribed.`
`16:04.07`	`lbt`	`ah... subscribe`
`16:04.14`	`lbt`	`it's very low volume`
`16:04.28`	`coldboot`	`Qt Interest not so much.`
`16:04.51`	`coldboot`	`What's the list literally called?`
`16:04.52`	`lbt`	`http://pastebin.com/d6e44f470`
`16:04.58`	`javispedro`	`(na, forget that, I spoke too fast)`
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`16:06.18`	`lbt`	`coldboot: http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt#Contributing_to_the_Maemo_Qt_Project`
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`16:06.41`	`lbt`	`bbiab`
`16:06.59`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro: Oh, coo.. <reads further/> crap.`
`16:07.16`	`javispedro`	`lol sorry`
`16:08.58`	`coldboot`	`I think a merge request should have suggested destinations, but the accepter should be able to do whatever they want with it.`
`16:09.24`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro: You had no idea how excited I was briefly ;-)`
`16:09.29`	`coldboot`	`Also, the accepter should be able to configure a message that the requester reads before submitting.`
`16:09.30`	`Jaffa`	`~seen lardman`
`16:09.32`	`infobot`	`lardman <n=vircuser@enpc-smm11.bath.ac.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 7h 5m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'.`
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`16:21.56`	`coldboot`	`lbt: If I try to merge to hildon-input-method from qt-diablo, then I get a long list of unrelated qt-diablo commits that are going to be sent...`
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`16:31.51`	`coldboot`	`lbt: Okay I sent a merge request from nhooey/hildon-input-method to qt-maemo/hildon-input-method, by cherry-picking my two commits over to hildon-input-method...`
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`16:32.28`	`yutsai`	`hi guys, is there anyway to read XKeyEvent without using hildon on Maemo?`
`16:33.11`	`yutsai`	`i am trying to type on my X11 applications, but KeyPress event just not delegated to my apps.`
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`16:39.26`	`johnsq`	`Hi`
`16:41.52`	`javispedro`	`yutsai: https://garage.maemo.org/snippet/detail.php?type=package&id=2`
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`16:42.09`	`javispedro`	`uses gdk afaik`
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`16:43.58`	`yutsai`	`javispedro, i have some reasons couldn't use gdk. i am writing pure opengl es2 program.`
`16:44.15`	`yutsai`	`javispedro, EGL surface is built on plain x11 window`
`16:45.21`	`yutsai`	`hmm turning x11 into gdk, interesting! thanks!`
`16:45.27`	`javispedro`	`yep`
`16:45.28`	`javispedro`	`:D`
`16:46.43`	`javispedro`	`I hope it works, cause I never tried it...`
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`17:27.43`	`ShadowJK`	`napsy, I think you want to install maemomapper`
`17:28.22`	`napsy`	`hm ok`
`17:28.43`	`napsy`	`because I lost the original map that comes with nokia when I flashed the device`
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`17:29.28`	`mgedmin`	`maemomapper is awesome`
`17:29.52`	`mgedmin`	`osm2go is also awesome, if you want to edit openstreetmap rather than look at it`
`17:30.22`	`mgedmin`	`flashing shouldn't have removed the original map; it's stored in the internal sd card which is not touched by flashing`
`17:30.32`	`ShadowJK`	`napsy, the original map application is probably installable through application manager, and then you can download maps from inside the map application`
`17:30.35`	`mgedmin`	`(but which often came from the factory misformatted and could easily get corrupted)`
`17:30.42`	`napsy`	`ok`
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`17:47.05`	`rkirti`	`What is this "comapp" package that so many diablo apps are asking for ? It doesnt seem to be in the apt repos`
`17:48.03`	`ShadowJK`	`libcomapp0?`
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`17:48.23`	`ShadowJK`	`appears in repos for me`
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`18:00.00`	`rkirti`	`ShadowJK: sorry, I was trying to get diablo apps to build outside sb, but using fremantle repos.`
`18:03.47`	`lcuk`	`evening maemo \o`
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`18:10.19`	`wazd`	`you know what?)`
`18:10.21`	`wazd`	`http://www.flickr.com/photos/thoughtfix/2869594903/`
`18:10.36`	`wazd`	`looks like this is the final fremantle UI :D`
`18:11.04`	`wazd`	`with some minor changes like icons'n'stuff :)`
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`18:13.28`	`konttori_`	`wazd: interesting.`
`18:13.43`	`konttori_`	`oh. those are from the maemo summit`
`18:14.32`	`qwerty12_N810`	`konttori_: if you were to install x11vnc on the proto and forward the port, we wouldn't tell :)`
`18:15.00`	`wazd`	`qwerty12_N810: jeje ;)`
`18:15.30`	`konttori_`	`lol.`
`18:16.10`	`timeless_mbp`	`wazd: well, from looking at the browser`
`18:16.14`	`timeless_mbp`	`i can assure you that it isn't :)`
`18:16.40`	`wazd`	`timeless_mbp: at least desktop shot looks almost the same`
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`18:16.58`	`timeless_mbp`	`wazd: i carefully ignored that :)`
`18:17.06`	`wazd`	`timeless_mbp: ;)`
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`18:17.21`	`konttori_`	`wazd, same as what?`
`18:17.32`	`timeless_mbp`	`presumably what's in the latest sdk`
`18:17.33`	`RST38h`	`back`
`18:17.38`	`RST38h`	`Anything new and exciting?`
`18:17.39`	`wazd`	`konttori_: as the shots from beta 2`
`18:17.57`	`konttori_`	`oh, there is beta 2?`
`18:18.02`	`timeless_mbp`	`konttori_: where are you now? :)`
`18:18.08`	`timeless_mbp`	`is contemplating food or something`
`18:18.09`	`konttori_`	`at home on vacation`
`18:18.13`	`timeless_mbp`	`bah`
`18:18.19`	`timeless_mbp`	`get ukmp finished :)`
`18:18.28`	`konttori_`	`Hmm... I was working on it today`
`18:19.48`	`konttori_`	`I have some issues with home consuming all mouse click events from my SDL window for the top left corner or about 50x50 pixels.`
`18:20.01`	`RST38h`	`It's an iPhone. Now we know.`
`18:20.02`	`timeless_mbp`	`that's normal :)`
`18:20.02`	`konttori_`	`So, I cannot have a back-button there untin someone fixes it.`
`18:20.47`	`konttori_`	`does not fully like our error management process, where that issue will probably linger on for a long time`
`18:21.06`	`timeless_mbp`	`you don't fully like it?`
`18:21.12`	`timeless_mbp`	`that implies that you at least partially like it`
`18:21.15`	`timeless_mbp`	`traitor!`
`18:21.22`	`yutsai`	`javispedro, after trying a bit ... i decided to hard code the x11 keyevent lol.`
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`18:21.31`	`konttori_`	`lol. actually I do like how it has been running for the past 2.5 weeks.`
`18:21.36`	`johnsq`	`konttori_: You mean found, but more evil are the not found.`
`18:21.42`	`konttori_`	`I think those changes were a good call.`
`18:21.50`	`timeless_mbp`	`no idea which changes those were`
`18:21.57`	`konttori_`	`are you kidding?`
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`18:22.00`	`timeless_mbp`	`nope`
`18:22.05`	`javispedro`	`dunno yutsai, I assume that's ok :)`
`18:22.37`	`konttori_`	`lol. ok, good for you that you haven't had to care. Anyway, cannot comment in here, but they were good.`
`18:23.09`	`konttori_`	`I suppose as you guys have been working on the new engine, you haven't had to look any other way for a while`
`18:23.52`	`wazd`	`I've lost the screenshot with beta 2 statusbar :(`
`18:24.25`	`timeless_mbp`	`konttori_: i walk around and visit other projects`
`18:24.29`	`timeless_mbp`	`i just get depressed`
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`18:24.46`	`konttori_`	`I usually get excited.`
`18:25.06`	`konttori_`	`so, when was beta 2 launched?`
`18:25.10`	`lcuk`	`gets konttori_ some tissues`
`18:25.16`	`konttori_`	`does it have minirc?`
`18:25.30`	`konttori_`	`lol! lcuk. not that excited`
`18:25.45`	`ShadowJK`	`there's anonymous ftp, why can't there be anonymous sifoip (stab in face over ip)`
`18:25.57`	`lcuk`	`konttori_, why is your ukmp switching between landscape/portrait all the time?`
`18:26.08`	`konttori_`	`lcuk, only from rotation.`
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`18:26.38`	`konttori_`	`hmm... If you have old proto, the accelerometer might function differently from the latest ones`
`18:26.43`	`lcuk`	`how well does ukmp work on normal desktops?`
`18:27.07`	`konttori_`	`well, I develop it on osx, but it's relying on pygame for audio there`
`18:27.11`	`konttori_`	`which is not very reliable`
`18:27.15`	`lcuk`	`the only device i have with accelerometer is my x41`
`18:27.23`	`konttori_`	`but on linux you can easily use it`
`18:27.26`	`RST38h`	`wazd: is there a screenshot with all the icons?`
`18:27.36`	`konttori_`	`lcuk: but you have a proto, right?`
`18:28.04`	`lcuk`	`i wish, no`
`18:28.10`	`lcuk`	`i even tried to steal one from cph!`
`18:28.54`	`lcuk`	`got as far as the door`
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`18:29.22`	`wazd`	`RST38h: not yet`
`18:29.29`	`suihkulokki`	`lcuk: doors are such a problem`
`18:29.39`	`lcuk`	`yes`
`18:30.03`	`lcuk`	`had i not hesitated i wouldv gotten away with it lol`
`18:30.22`	`qwerty12_N810`	`Nokia would've sent their hitmen after you`
`18:30.44`	`amr`	`who wants a broken 770? ill give you it`
`18:30.52`	`amr`	`it's sat there with a sad (white) face on it`
`18:31.01`	`lcuk`	`nokia torch!`
`18:31.03`	`amr`	`haha`
`18:31.10`	`lcuk`	`rechargable`
`18:31.14`	`amr`	`just reflashed it so now i cant even ssh into it`
`18:31.18`	`amr`	`owell`
`18:31.39`	`lcuk`	`someone could give you measurements to the required positions`
`18:31.43`	`lcuk`	`to open a console`
`18:31.47`	`amr`	`haha`
`18:33.34`	`javispedro`	`(gdb) print $sp : $1 = <value optimized out>`
`18:33.40`	`javispedro`	`gdb surprises me`
`18:33.41`	`javispedro`	`a lot`
`18:35.04`	`javispedro`	`it's nice to know it can somehow "optimize out" a friggin hw register`
`18:35.06`	`ds3`	`chokes Maemo's network handling`
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`18:35.22`	`konttori_`	`hah. Just added 'safety guard' to ukmp deletions. It will now ask you to confirm before delete. Does it quite nicely though. When in delete mode, double click on any item deletes it directly.`
`18:35.39`	`konttori_`	`still easy to cleanup bad music, but less easy to do so accidentally,`
`18:35.47`	`ds3`	`when I don't want it constantly reconnect it pops up a connect message to cancel out of every 30 second or so... now it never automatically connects :(`
`18:36.01`	`konttori_`	`(like I just did while debugging -> the reason to finally implement it)`
`18:36.10`	`johnsq`	`konttori_: you can also delete in a trash can and empty it later`
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`18:36.41`	`konttori_`	`lcuk, I thought you had. When will you get it?`
`18:37.03`	`lcuk`	`konttori_, no matter how many single/double click guards you put in place, a person will still delete their media accidentally.`
`18:37.05`	`konttori_`	`johnsq: sure, but I like the directness of this.`
`18:37.22`	`konttori_`	`lcuk: sure, but now they can stop complaining to me about it.`
`18:37.41`	`lcuk`	`johnsq is on the right track, dont actively delete files`
`18:37.59`	`lcuk`	`mark for deletion and dont show those marked`
`18:38.06`	`konttori_`	`well, on first click, the item turns to say, click again to delete the song.`
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`18:38.19`	`konttori_`	`so, it's quite straight forward.`
`18:38.35`	`konttori_`	`And trash bin only works if there is platform wide support for it.`
`18:38.35`	`lcuk`	`and when its in your pocket and your keys rub up and delete your favorite music..`
`18:38.41`	`lcuk`	`not at all`
`18:38.44`	`lcuk`	`i have similar`
`18:38.49`	`lcuk`	`i just rename all deleted sketches`
`18:39.05`	`lcuk`	`everyone has an oh shit moment`
`18:39.16`	`konttori_`	`sure, and if there is another app using those, how will that work?`
`18:39.21`	`lcuk`	`konttori_, i dunno, ask quim if he can get me one`
`18:39.25`	`konttori_`	`Will that other app also be able to 'recover' them?`
`18:39.31`	`lcuk`	`but i might have to sign my life away`
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`18:39.37`	`konttori_`	`and will the deletion from that other app be the same`
`18:39.49`	`konttori_`	`will be on vacation for 3.5 weeks.`
`18:39.56`	`konttori_`	`so, won't ask from quim for a while`
`18:40.27`	`lcuk`	`then stop asking me, i cry buckets cos i want new toys`
`18:41.15`	`konttori_`	`well, now I finally know you don't have one.`
`18:41.37`	`lcuk`	`ive told you every time \@`
`18:41.47`	`lcuk`	`now, if you are goin on holiday, do you need yours?`
`18:42.34`	`lcuk`	`konttori_, how does tracker handle deletion of media that its tracking?`
`18:42.52`	`lcuk`	`or in the process of building meta info for`
`18:42.52`	`konttori_`	`get's inotify event from kernel and removes the item from db`
`18:43.05`	`lcuk`	`ie, take big 5mp picture, then delete immediately`
`18:43.18`	`lcuk`	`whilst its trying to be parsed`
`18:43.20`	`konttori_`	`if it is indexing the file, the deletion event gets put to queue and handled as the next thing to do.`
`18:43.34`	`lcuk`	`but the deletion event fails if the file is in use`
`18:43.43`	`konttori_`	`If extraction is going on, there is a read lock on the file and kernel won't allow you to delete it`
`18:43.46`	`lcuk`	`or it does in a sane os`
`18:43.52`	`konttori_`	`indeed.`
`18:43.59`	`lcuk`	`(like windows :D)`
`18:44.04`	`lcuk`	`giggles`
`18:44.16`	`konttori_`	`but, there is also the time of writing the data to db. and on that time, there is no read lock on the file`
`18:44.17`	`ds3`	`nothing wrong with deleting an open file`
`18:44.32`	`konttori_`	`so, that contingency is handled with the separate event handling for the deletion`
`18:44.45`	`ds3`	`it is done all the time, this is a feature`
`18:45.10`	`lcuk`	`ds3, hold until reboot, or delete on close?`
`18:45.28`	`ds3`	`until close but define delete carefully`
`18:45.38`	`lcuk`	`rm blah`
`18:45.41`	`lcuk`	`i assume`
`18:45.44`	`ds3`	`the way it works is - you do an unlink() on a file`
`18:45.56`	`xnt14`	`~seen b-man16`
`18:45.59`	`infobot`	`b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 15h 32m 11s ago, saying: 'hi!!! :D'.`
`18:46.00`	`ds3`	`anyone that held a fd on there (i.e. has it open()) doesn't see anything changed`
`18:46.04`	`xnt14`	`lol`
`18:46.11`	`ds3`	`as soon as everyone closes it, the file itself is freed up.`
`18:46.35`	`lcuk`	`ds3, thats actually quite cool, same process even if open for writing?`
`18:46.48`	`johnsq`	`aslong someone has it open, you can recover the file with /proc`
`18:46.52`	`ds3`	`firefox, for example, uses this to do temp files. it open() a file in /tmp to create it; then immediately unlink() that file. now that file is available temp storage w/o leaving crude around or having conflicts`
`18:47.03`	`ds3`	`lcuk: yep. any references to the file. R or W`
`18:47.27`	`lcuk`	`ds3 :) thats actually really really cool`
`18:47.36`	`lcuk`	`raises a glass to the people who implemented it`
`18:47.38`	`ds3`	`johnsq: yep. if you are worried, do sleep 2342234234234 < /path/tofilename& on all the files`
`18:47.44`	`ds3`	`lcuk: it is posix, IIRC`
`18:49.11`	`lcuk`	`:D`
`18:49.29`	`lcuk`	`learnt something new today`
`18:49.39`	`RST38h`	`http://gizmodo.com/5314304/64-gadgets-dragged-back-to-1979/gallery/`
`18:49.42`	`lcuk`	`thx ds3`
`18:50.14`	`Jaffa`	`POSIX rocks`
`18:50.36`	`lbt`	`POSIX sucks`
`18:50.44`	`lbt`	`in lots of other places ;)`
`18:51.03`	`lcuk`	`some bits of posix rock then`
`18:51.16`	`lbt`	`POSIX is a bit rocky, yes`
`18:51.28`	`lcuk`	`can we say that POSIX socks and keep everyone happy?`
`18:51.51`	`ds3`	`RST38h: 12.. heh... I think someone made a PC Motherboard with tube amps`
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`18:55.42`	`florian`	`re`
`18:59.15`	`RST38h`	`ds3: yea, that much isn't a problem`
`18:59.26`	`RST38h`	`ds3: making a crt-based Zune is though =)`
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`18:59.29`	`coldboot`	`I need to change the version string for the qt-maemo debian package, but where is it defined?`
`19:00.43`	`lcuk`	`debian/changelog i believe`
`19:00.43`	`fiferboy_`	`coldboot: Do you want to increment it?`
`19:01.04`	`fiferboy_`	`"dch -i" will let you increment and add comments`
`19:01.28`	`coldboot`	`fiferboy_: I want to change the name and increment it, so it's unique and automatically replaces the version on the device, but will get replaced later by 4.5.2 when it's the default.`
`19:02.01`	`coldboot`	`I have 4.5.0-1maemo2, and I want to make it something like 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen`
`19:02.01`	`fiferboy_`	`coldboot: One way is to check out the git tag for 4.5.1 and apply the changes you want`
`19:02.23`	`fiferboy_`	`Then dch -i, which would change it to 4.5.0-1maemo3`
`19:02.52`	`lcuk`	`that might conflict with the official one`
`19:02.53`	`coldboot`	`fiferboy_: But that might clash with the real maemo3 released by you guys in the future...`
`19:02.56`	`lcuk`	`wont it`
`19:02.57`	`fiferboy_`	`Or you could change the number to whatever you want in the changelog line that gets added`
`19:03.08`	`coldboot`	`debian/changelog?`
`19:03.11`	`lcuk`	`coldboot, i think your idea was right, but wgen0 i think`
`19:03.30`	`lcuk`	`dont worry coldboot, the debian/changelog is normal deb stuff not qt`
`19:03.31`	`lcuk`	`my mistake`
`19:03.37`	`coldboot`	`lcuk: -1maemo2-wgen0`
`19:03.37`	`fiferboy_`	`I'm not sure if there will be any more 4.5.0 releases, now that 4.5.2 is being worked on, but better safe than sorry`
`19:03.54`	`fiferboy_`	`coldboot: That would work`
`19:04.16`	`lcuk`	`coldboot, it sounds right and how other packages appear to work (see -mer stuff)`
`19:04.40`	`coldboot`	`So the dpkg detects that a number in the same place is higher, such as 3 > 2, or 14 > 5, or that if the numbers in the same places are the same, the newer package has more crap on the end of it?`
`19:05.08`	`fiferboy_`	`I'm pretty sure that's how it works`
`19:05.09`	`lcuk`	`think so, its why theres packages with pi and e`
`19:05.24`	`fiferboy_`	`And there is an epoch number that can override all that but should be used sparingly (it seems)`
`19:06.26`	`fiferboy`	`lbt: ping?`
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`19:07.47`	`coldboot`	`Thanks guys`
`19:08.07`	`coldboot`	`Didn't know that the changelog was scanned, I guess I remember that from a while ago now.`
`19:08.56`	`fiferboy`	`The debian/rules file for qt has a bunch of macros to generate the major/minor/patch numbers from somewhere in the code`
`19:09.13`	`fiferboy`	`But as long as you don't want that changed, adding some numbers to the debian/changelog should do it`
`19:09.34`	`coldboot`	`It's such a good way to distribute software.`
`19:10.53`	`javispedro`	`$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.5.0-1maemo2-wgen0 gt 4.5.0-1maemo2 && echo "OK"`
`19:10.55`	`javispedro`	`OK`
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`19:16.04`	`rkirti`	`~lart git@garage for being so damn slow`
`19:16.05`	`infobot`	`does a little 'renice 20 -u git@garage' for being so damn slow`
`19:16.30`	`florian`	`hehe, that's a good one :)`
`19:17.03`	`rkirti`	`I wish I could put -20 there and make it faster`
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`19:23.09`	`xnt14`	`hmm`
`19:23.28`	`xnt14`	`~lart test@test because xnt14 is so bored`
`19:23.28`	`infobot`	`chops test@test because xnt14 is so bored in half with a free Solaris 7 CD`
`19:23.45`	`xnt14`	`LOL`
`19:23.46`	`xnt14`	`xDD`
`19:23.53`	`xnt14`	`~lart test ste ts`
`19:23.53`	`infobot`	`smacks test ste ts up side the head with a clue-by-4`
`19:23.57`	`xnt14`	`wtf`
`19:23.59`	`xnt14`	`lol`
`19:24.16`	`xnt14`	`~lart b-man16`
`19:24.16`	`infobot`	`installs PocketPC on b-man16's PDA`
`19:24.21`	`xnt14`	`xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD`
`19:24.26`	`xnt14`	`~lart b-man16`
`19:24.26`	`infobot`	`explains, ever so gently, that if b-man16 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help`
`19:24.46`	`xnt14`	`~lart boredom`
`19:24.46`	`infobot`	`judo chops boredom`
`19:24.51`	`xnt14`	`xDDDD`
`19:24.55`	`xnt14`	`ok ill stop`
`19:25.01`	`keesj`	`thanks!`
`19:25.04`	`xnt14`	`glances at GA xD`
`19:25.43`	`xnt14`	`gets back to tweaking flightgear`
`19:25.59`	`wazd`	`~burn himself`
`19:26.00`	`infobot`	`ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze`
`19:26.00`	`rkirti`	`hello keesj :-)`
`19:26.36`	`lcuk`	`hah wazd, class`
`19:26.56`	`wazd`	`lcuk: good'ol joke :)`
`19:27.06`	`coldboot`	`wazd: Are wazd the keys you use in an FPS to move?`
`19:27.27`	`rkirti`	`poor dear infobot`
`19:27.33`	`wazd`	`coldboot: not really, it's an old story :)`
`19:27.41`	`xnt14`	`~behappy`
`19:27.45`	`xnt14`	`xD`
`19:27.50`	`lcuk`	`never enter irc drunk`
`19:27.52`	`xnt14`	`~cookie`
`19:28.09`	`xnt14`	`infobot, cookie`
`19:28.21`	`xnt14`	`xDDD`
`19:28.28`	`lcuk`	`wazd, how can you have old stories and ol' jokes`
`19:28.28`	`xnt14`	`infobot, botcookie`
`19:28.29`	`infobot`	`:-P`
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`19:28.32`	`lcuk`	`you are a youngster`
`19:28.35`	`xnt14`	`lol`
`19:28.40`	`xnt14`	`ok w/e`
`19:28.46`	`lcuk`	`mind you, to xnt you are ancient`
`19:29.29`	`xnt14`	`lol`
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`19:30.15`	`xnt14`	`lol`
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`19:30.21`	`wazd`	`lcuk: well, not so young as I want :)`
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`19:30.47`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`19:30.55`	`lcuk`	`it never gets any better`
`19:31.22`	`wazd`	`when I first came to the internet I've chosen the most obvious and stupid nick - AZ :)`
`19:31.42`	`wazd`	`cause of Andrew Zhilin, you know :)`
`19:31.45`	`lcuk`	`nahhh, qwerty has the most obvious`
`19:31.52`	`lcuk`	`surprisingly, he is only the 12th in the world!`
`19:31.57`	`qwerty12_N810`	`bows`
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`19:32.09`	`coldboot`	`wazd: So why the w and d?`
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`19:32.36`	`wazd`	`lcuk: when I ran ICQ nickname search I got hundred billion results so I had to change it :)`
`19:32.41`	`qwerty12_N810`	`wicked-azz designer`
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`19:32.59`	`wazd`	`qwerty12_N810: no, zxcvb-90 :D`
`19:33.19`	`qwerty12_N810`	`hehe`
`19:33.30`	`xnt14`	`hmm`
`19:33.35`	`xnt14`	`'s first nick was wsa xDDD`
`19:33.43`	`wazd`	`coldboot: Well, as I'm a FPS addict, I thought it would be cool to combine wasd and my old nick :)`
`19:33.44`	`lcuk`	`ahhh i once knew an zxcb-89`
`19:33.46`	`xnt14`	`my initials`
`19:34.14`	`coldboot`	`wazd: There we go, I knew that was part of it at least.`
`19:34.17`	`xnt14`	`lcuk, whats the story behind your nick?`
`19:34.33`	`amr`	`initial initial country?`
`19:34.37`	`lcuk`	`quite simple, i am liquidcoooled on slashdot. and i am in the uk`
`19:34.43`	`amr`	`pah, close`
`19:34.49`	`lcuk`	`i couldnt use big long name in irc`
`19:34.55`	`xnt14`	`nick :P`
`19:34.58`	`xnt14`	`*nice`
`19:34.59`	`lcuk`	`it would intefere with GeneralAntilles's`
`19:35.10`	`xnt14`	`hates his keyboard`
`19:35.22`	`xnt14`	`amr, nope my full name`
`19:35.29`	`wazd`	`xnt14: well, thats a common typo :D`
`19:35.29`	`lcuk`	`i like my cheapy pc-line one`
`19:35.31`	`amr`	`mine is too`
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`19:35.38`	`xnt14`	`:P`
`19:35.39`	`amr`	`xnt14, i meant for lcuk`
`19:35.45`	`xnt14`	`oh ok :P`
`19:35.48`	`amr`	`:)`
`19:36.02`	`xnt14`	`hmmm.... http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/demos/photos.svg`
`19:36.15`	`wazd`	`storm's comming to Moscow`
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`19:36.18`	`xnt14`	`svg has scripting??? xD`
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`19:36.49`	`lcuk`	`i was just thinkin same`
`19:36.56`	`xnt14`	`just noticed that his xps' proc is 64bit facepalm`
`19:36.57`	`lcuk`	`that would cripple itself with more no doubt`
`19:37.15`	`lcuk`	`amr - it was meant to be temporary for me`
`19:37.18`	`xnt14`	`lol`
`19:37.24`	`lcuk`	`but its grown on me :)`
`19:37.38`	`xnt14`	`argh!!!`
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`19:37.47`	`xnt14`	`now I need to reinstall........`
`19:37.53`	`amr`	`:)`
`19:38.02`	`xnt14`	`hiya qole_323!`
`19:38.13`	`lcuk`	`so where are you from then amr`
`19:38.20`	`amr`	`im from leeds, uk :)`
`19:38.56`	`lcuk`	`so, the r is?`
`19:39.08`	`amr`	`forename, middlename, surname`
`19:39.16`	`qwerty12_N810`	`Vhat? Another northerner?`
`19:39.18`	`amr`	`from my days of 3 letter names on arcade machines`
`19:39.27`	`lcuk`	`heh`
`19:39.30`	`amr`	`i am the most un-northern you will ever encounter`
`19:39.38`	`amr`	`un-northern northerner*`
`19:39.41`	`lcuk`	`its ok, qwerty is a recovering northerner`
`19:39.50`	`lcuk`	`he goes to NA`
`19:39.55`	`amr`	`hahaha`
`19:40.00`	`lcuk`	`and not because he got caught with drugs`
`19:40.03`	`qwerty12_N810`	`amr: No, that's me :P (From the North; living in the South) :P`
`19:40.06`	`keesj`	`:q`
`19:40.10`	`keesj`	`:q!`
`19:40.15`	`amr`	`i'll be doing the same shortly!`
`19:40.16`	`qole_323`	`xnt14: hi... I'm trying to get help with Knots2, so I'm using penguinbait's IRC chat applet`
`19:40.21`	`amr`	`no one at uni could tell where i was from :<`
`19:40.30`	`xnt14`	`:)`
`19:40.44`	`lcuk`	`found in a box under the pool table in the augbeth arms!`
`19:40.54`	`qole_323`	`....but the #knots channel seems dead`
`19:41.26`	`lcuk`	`waves at qole o`
`19:42.05`	`qole_323`	`waves back at lcuk`
`19:42.43`	`lcuk`	`needs to go back to shiny stuff`
`19:44.10`	`xnt14`	`hmm`
`19:44.48`	`lcuk`	`before i go, qole people were talking about their nicknames, where di yours come from`
`19:46.07`	`qole`	`I wanted a pronouncable, very short name that wouldn't be taken, so I tried a bunch of three and four letter nicks until I found qole.`
`19:46.51`	`lcuk`	`its certainly worked, so distinctive :) i thought for a while it was your actual name`
`19:46.58`	`qole`	`It is short, memorable, and unused (except for qole.com, which is a Japanese fortune-telling site?!)`
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`19:48.39`	`xnt14`	`:) lol`
`19:49.00`	`xnt14`	`btw qole, I noticed you used dreamhost ;)`
`19:50.08`	`Jaffa`	`yerga's WordPy vid does a good job of showing off Maemo 5 interactions`
`19:50.40`	`wazd`	`Jaffa: yep`
`19:50.59`	`wazd`	`Jaffa: Can't decide is it good or bad though :D`
`19:51.05`	`Jaffa`	`Hate the green`
`19:53.38`	`wazd`	`mmm, if lightning strikes are surrounding my house - should I worry?)`
`19:54.04`	`Jaffa`	`wazd: Pissed off any gods recently?`
`19:54.09`	`Jaffa`	`(specifically Thor)`
`19:54.13`	`Jaffa`	`Damn those Asgard`
`19:54.38`	`wazd`	`Jaffa: he was invited to my b-day party, so I don't think so :D`
`19:56.15`	`qole`	`xnt14: yes, I use dreamhost. They seem great so far.`
`19:58.22`	`xnt14`	`:)`
`19:58.27`	`xnt14`	`so do I`
`19:58.41`	`xnt14`	`btw, I don't suggest upgrading to PS.........`
`19:58.59`	`xnt14`	`I've read some stories, very hard to go back to shared....`
`19:59.14`	`qole`	`PS?`
`19:59.20`	`xnt14`	`Private Server`
`19:59.54`	`qole`	`I've got a great deal, 2 years unlimited for $10, I used the Geocities deal to get the second year free`
`20:00.45`	`xnt14`	`:)`
`20:01.42`	`xnt14`	`I got the 44th president deal, prepaid for about $200 got 4 years ;)`
`20:02.32`	`xnt14`	`in four years I'll graduate highschool, then I'll probably get either mediatemple dv, or set up my own dedicated server....`
`20:03.35`	`qole`	`I'll stay with Dreamhost until they complain that there's sure a lot of bandwidth being used up on people downloading these 300MB image files...`
`20:03.56`	`xnt14`	`yeah.....`
`20:07.11`	`lcuk`	`what the fuck was i thinking? (btw, forgive the spelling mistake, thats not the wtf)`
`20:07.14`	`lcuk`	`Canvass.ForeColor = 13158600 'RGB(200, 200, 200) ' replace rgb with constant value :)`
`20:08.04`	`lcuk`	`this is old code i just opened, last mod 2003`
`20:08.57`	`xnt14`	`lol`
`20:09.03`	`florian`	`hehe`
`20:09.05`	`xnt14`	`makes stupid mistakes like that too :P`
`20:10.08`	`xnt14`	`musicbot: Mizuki Nana \| Ultimate Diamond: Etsuraku Camellia`
`20:11.24`	`lcuk`	`xnt14, thats not a mistake though`
`20:11.35`	`lcuk`	`thats a defined chosen path`
`20:12.05`	`lcuk`	`i was either on a major optimization cycle (or more likely) i wanted a specific color and couldnt be arsed to decode it from the value i had`
`20:12.41`	`lcuk`	`either way i had to do a double take`
`20:12.56`	`xnt14`	`oh :P`
`20:13.02`	`lcuk`	`florian, anything like that inside your codebase? :D`
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`20:16.37`	`florian`	`lcuk: I know I have alot of crap in my codebase... but nothing like this :)`
`20:16.51`	`lcuk`	`tkaes a bow`
`20:16.55`	`lcuk`	`:D wow`
`20:17.08`	`lcuk`	`takes a bow and spell checks it`
`20:17.26`	`lcuk`	`thats the first time ive needed to wtf myself`
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`20:22.45`	`MindMusic`	`Hey everyone... does anyone here use pymaemo with Geany? I'm stuck on hello world :P`
`20:23.22`	`MindMusic`	`all my python programs seem to open and close instantly...`
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`20:33.22`	`lcuk`	`MindMusic, wow cool - you must have one of the rare optimized nits`
`20:34.17`	`lcuk`	`mind, do your apps work if called directly`
`20:34.57`	`MindMusic`	`Hmmm... I'm a newb so I'm not even sure how to call them directly... I'm just getting started...`
`20:36.08`	`lcuk`	`you can usually run python apps by just opening a console window on the device (or with ssh) and just run python blah.py`
`20:36.49`	`MindMusic`	`yes... just tried... it DOES work :)`
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`20:38.45`	`lcuk`	`ok MindMusic theres a hint then lol, i dont know anything about geany tho, so wouldnt know why it doesnt run`
`20:39.09`	`MindMusic`	`do you know how come Geany closes it right away? Under Geany's Menu->Build->Set Includes and Arguments, Execute is set to -> python2.5 "%f"`
`20:39.27`	`MindMusic`	`ah... thanks for the tip.`
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`21:05.34`	`Jaffa`	`Right, one horizon package built. Time to send it to the auto-builder`
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`21:16.23`	`Jaffa`	`Bah, humbug. garage.maemo.org doing its "lost connection" thing`
`21:18.10`	`Jaffa`	`reopens #3354`
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`21:30.20`	`tds5016`	`this may seem off topic, but I'm trying to do this from my maemo device, and it's a subject that may actually have been covered by one of the maemo developers...`
`21:30.38`	`tds5016`	`I'm wondering if anyone has dealt with darwin streaming server`
`21:31.18`	`crashanddie`	`tds5016, mplayer doesn't work?`
`21:31.44`	`tds5016`	`I'm streaming an rtsp stream to darwin streaming server.`
`21:32.00`	`crashanddie`	`oh`
`21:32.04`	`crashanddie`	`sorry, never done that`
`21:32.07`	`tds5016`	`and the damned thing used to work on port 5000, now it doens't work on port 5000, but it WILL work on port 5500.`
`21:32.14`	`tds5016`	`I have NO clue why it would be doing that.`
`21:32.19`	`crashanddie`	`darwin configuration issue?`
`21:32.54`	`johnsq`	`tds5016: port already used netstat -a?`
`21:33.35`	`tds5016`	`99.99% sure it isn't.`
`21:34.56`	`tds5016`	`netstat -a ins't showing a port that I'm streaming over.`
`21:35.04`	`tds5016`	`there is another flag I need, and I can't remember what it is.`
`21:35.28`	`johnsq`	`-t tcp or -u udp?`
`21:36.30`	`tds5016`	`nope. not showing all that I need :-/.`
`21:39.11`	`javispedro`	`Jaffa: got Jazelle working now`
`21:39.12`	`javispedro`	`definitely`
`21:39.21`	`javispedro`	`tried iconst_1, iconst_2 and iconst_3`
`21:39.54`	`javispedro`	`and even iconst_3 then iconst_4`
`21:40.08`	`javispedro`	`(aka two consecutive instructions)`
`21:40.33`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro: wow, cool`
`21:41.22`	`javispedro`	`now what? lol`
`21:43.05`	`javispedro`	`time to get that ugly and slow jvm I once made for fun`
`21:43.51`	`woglinde`	`javispedro nice`
`21:44.12`	`woglinde`	`javispedro did you sign a nda to arm?`
`21:44.23`	`javispedro`	`nope`
`21:44.29`	`woglinde`	`hehe`
`21:44.41`	`javispedro`	`and the manual I'm looking at doesn't have the word "confidential" so I guess I'm safe from sharks`
`21:44.55`	`woglinde`	`so we could use your stuff in cacao and openjdk right?`
`21:45.14`	`javispedro`	`not useful for jit`
`21:45.58`	`javispedro`	`it is basically a way to make the processor "drive" your java bytecode interpreter, and then get some bytecodes read by the hardware`
`21:46.07`	`javispedro`	`processed`
`21:47.16`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro: email maemo-developers, ccing lardman - I'm sure he'd be interested`
`21:47.17`	`woglinde`	`hm okay`
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`22:09.43`	`javispedro`	`it does some weird things`
`22:10.01`	`javispedro`	`push 2, 4 and -1 : stack contains -1, 4, 2`
`22:10.33`	`javispedro`	`sum -> stack should contain 3, 2`
`22:10.42`	`javispedro`	`but contains -1, 3, 2`
`22:11.06`	`javispedro`	`there's some extra stack pointer I'm not yet seeing`
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`22:11.58`	`javispedro`	`(and of course, the "hanging at undefined opcodes" instead of calling the appropiate handler`
`22:14.42`	`Jaffa`	`sum takes three args?`
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`22:15.16`	`Jaffa`	`Normal RPN would have push 2, push 4, push -1, op + result in a stack containing 2, 3 (left == oldest)`
`22:15.21`	`Jaffa`	`javispedro ^`
`22:16.11`	`javispedro`	`i'm using right oldest syntax`
`22:16.20`	`Jaffa`	`Ah :)`
`22:17.00`	`Jaffa`	`Very odd. So it's popped -1 and 4, but -1 still stays on, even after the result's been pushed back on`
`22:17.31`	`javispedro`	`I assume there's some kind of extra stack pointer which would tell me "top of the stack is now garbage"`
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`23:08.17`	`jeremiah_`	`lbt: pong`
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`23:09.11`	`jeremiah_`	`lbt: Send me an email if you like :) jeremiah AT maemo.org`
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`23:30.46`	`javispedro`	`lol, the stack grows downwards in jazelle`
`23:31.19`	`Jaffa`	`I think it does in a "normal" JVM, but I could be misremembering. Been a while since I did anything with JVM internals`
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`23:36.04`	`javispedro`	`got it, there's a bitfield in the lower bits of r5 which indicates which registers are mapped to which stack items`
`23:36.36`	`javispedro`	`it's 5 bits long, 32 possibilities...`
`23:36.47`	`Jaffa`	`32 ARM registers`
`23:37.04`	`javispedro`	`no, just 5 registers can contain stack items`
`23:37.17`	`Jaffa`	`What're the rest of the bits for, then?`
`23:37.37`	`javispedro`	`top can be in r0, r1, r2..., item #2 can be in r0, r1, r3...`
`23:37.49`	`Jaffa`	`Ah, I see.`
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