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| 01:35.58 | wiretapped | xnt14: are you using hildon-theme-tools or ThemeMaker? |
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| 01:48.19 | eichi_ | hello |
| 01:48.46 | eichi_ | external microphone vor skype works only with bluetooth? |
| 01:49.48 | eichi_ | or can the headphone output used as microphone input in any way? |
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| 01:52.03 | eichi_ | and other problem: my display doenst switch off |
| 01:52.07 | eichi_ | dont know why |
| 01:58.23 | bef0rd | eichi_, the headphone output is used for microphone too |
| 01:59.14 | eichi_ | bef0rd, wow nice, how to change this? |
| 01:59.27 | eichi_ | from output to input |
| 01:59.48 | bef0rd | eichi_, the n810 includes a headphone/microphone thing which uses only one plug |
| 02:00.05 | eichi_ | and n800? |
| 02:00.13 | eichi_ | i have this one ;/ |
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| 02:01.51 | bef0rd | eichi_, it should have been included too |
| 02:02.27 | eichi_ | yeah okay but how to change this? |
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| 02:03.04 | bef0rd | actually.. now that you mention it, I'm not really sure, I don't remember having used it to call either, let me try it |
| 02:03.21 | bef0rd | http://www.discountcell.com/cellular/pn/Nokia_HS-48 |
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| 02:04.46 | bef0rd | eichi_, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12143 |
| 02:05.03 | caoticM | Hirvinen_, i accidentally deleted my "Tab" from my x terminal toolbar, can anyone tell me its value so i can re create it ? |
| 02:05.04 | bef0rd | there is nothing to change.. that headset indeed includes a microphone |
| 02:05.27 | bef0rd | ASCII value? 9 I think |
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| 02:06.22 | caoticM | also is it just me or there is no pipe character in the keyboard |
| 02:06.30 | bef0rd | caoticM, Xterminal app says Value: Tab |
| 02:06.37 | bef0rd | caoticM, use 'char' |
| 02:06.55 | bef0rd | caoticM, I mean, chr, then select the pipe |
| 02:07.23 | eichi_ | bef0rd, means, i need special hardwae |
| 02:07.26 | eichi_ | hardware |
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| 02:07.55 | bef0rd | eichi_, If you don't have this headset, then yes, you probably need to buy one of these |
| 02:08.03 | caoticM | oh |
| 02:08.28 | bef0rd | eichi_, I think this is the name of it Nokia Compatible Stereo Headset HS-48 |
| 02:10.23 | caoticM | bef0rd, Value : 'Tab' or input a tab in the value box, either way is not working for me :( |
| 02:11.45 | bef0rd | caoticM, don't use quotes, just Tab |
| 02:12.01 | bef0rd | caoticM, type Tab on both text input boxes |
| 02:12.57 | caoticM | bef0rd, great thanks :) |
| 02:16.47 | Caval | Good afternoon, I am having trouble setting up the Internet Call feature with my Ekiga account. |
| 02:17.42 | Caval | As far as I can tell, all the information is correct (log in name, password, etc.) It still gives the "Unable to connecte..." message. |
| 02:18.50 | eichi_ | bef0rd, okay thanks |
| 02:19.18 | eichi_ | but now i have to know, why my display does not light off, any ideas? |
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| 02:20.01 | eichi_ | oh okay, it does ;D |
| 02:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so... what's the deal with the GPS on the N810? |
| 02:36.23 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: give up while you're ahead |
| 02:36.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it just crappy hardware they put in there and there's no reasonable way it can be used?s |
| 02:37.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Luke-Jr, are you saying I should just remove the map-software and forget about it?s |
| 02:38.04 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: sure |
| 02:38.14 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: the hardware isn't crappy, but it's entirely undocumented |
| 02:38.28 | Luke-Jr | and the Nokia-provided "driver" is closed and full of bugs |
| 02:39.06 | caoticM | i see, i havent been able to use it at all either. I am asuming because of my location |
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| 02:39.41 | caoticM | i think that gps is a carrier free thing but i am starting to doubt it |
| 02:39.47 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 02:39.50 | Luke-Jr | GPS is passive |
| 02:41.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the nokia-provided map software needs bloody ages to find a fix |
| 02:41.40 | GeneralAntilles | CutMeOwnThroat, bad hardware, combined with a bad antenna location. |
| 02:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I installed that minigpsd thing, but it seems not to have had any influence on the result |
| 02:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I let it running for a while and it seems running the map with a fix drained the battery in... uh say under 2 hours |
| 02:42.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | GeneralAntilles, where IS the antenna, btw?s |
| 02:42.50 | GeneralAntilles | Along the top somewhere under the aluminum. |
| 02:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I should remove the case? :) |
| 02:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or poke holes in it... |
| 02:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... microwaves?s |
| 02:43.42 | Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: it has been shown the GPS hardware is more than capable |
| 02:44.09 | GeneralAntilles | isn't in the mood for Luke-Jr® Insanityâ¢. |
| 02:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it has?s |
| 02:44.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | how? |
| 02:44.37 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: if the stars align just right when you start the GPS, you can get a lock in under a minute |
| 02:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well I just walked home for 20 minutes and didn't get a lock |
| 02:45.30 | Luke-Jr | might have if you kept restarting it every minute |
| 02:45.33 | Luke-Jr | ;) |
| 02:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | neither did I get a lock walking to uni for 20 minutes some 4 hours earlier, or the hours I was inside the building |
| 02:45.49 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: *most* GPS don't work inside buildings at all |
| 02:45.50 | bef0rd | inside a building is harder to get lock |
| 02:45.54 | Luke-Jr | the N810 is above par with that |
| 02:46.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Luke-Jr, that's why I only mentioned that in passing |
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| 02:47.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | but essentially you're saying the GPS can't be sensibly used... |
| 02:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I did manage to get a fix sometimes, btw= |
| 02:49.11 | Caval | A-Gps helps with getting a fix but is impractical for "real" situations. |
| 02:51.12 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: not sensibly, no |
| 02:51.21 | Luke-Jr | CutMeOwnThroat: maybe if Stskeeps can pull some strings |
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| 03:03.41 | GeneralAntilles | Luke-Jr, why do you attribute so much sway to Stskeeps? |
| 03:08.42 | caoticM | isnt there a remote control aplication for mplayer ? using the console with all the display functions defeats the purpose of a convinient remote control IMO |
| 03:10.25 | caoticM | a thumb friendly app would be awesome |
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| 03:15.48 | b-man16 | ~seen Dnab55 |
| 03:15.51 | infobot | b-man16: i haven't seen 'dnab55' |
| 03:16.05 | b-man16 | heh :P |
| 03:23.53 | Macer | lol |
| 03:24.00 | Macer | i knew you guys should havfe3 used qt with mer |
| 03:24.32 | Macer | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/07/nokia-adopts-qt-toolkit-for-next-generation-maemo-platform.ars |
| 03:24.35 | xnt14 | hey b-man! |
| 03:24.41 | xnt14 | heh |
| 03:24.46 | xnt14 | is eating right now |
| 03:24.57 | Macer | Quim Gil announced that the application framework in future versions of Nokia's Linux platform will use the Qt toolkit. This change will have a significant impact on the Maemo platform and its third-party developer community. |
| 03:24.57 | xnt14 | i just dropped in to check irc XD |
| 03:25.36 | Macer | at ftw! |
| 03:26.01 | Macer | er qt too |
| 03:27.22 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.25 | Macer | woah |
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| 03:29.07 | xnt14 | wiretapped, no im just screwing around with the config files in the default echo theme |
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| 03:50.43 | troy | GeneralAntilles: noticed a bug in Advanced Backlight while working on my stuff this weekend. If the volume is a positive (1 or higher) setting and an app other than Advanced Backlight sets the volume to a negative number, then it seems Advanced Backlight causes the volume to be set to zero. To test, set the volume to 100, then mute. Then set a short alarm in OSSO clock. When the alarm goes off, |
| 03:51.24 | troy | either alarmd or systemui sets the volume to a positive value. When the alarm is dismissed, it tries to set it back to the negative value. Check Advanced Backlight and the volume is zero. |
| 03:51.42 | troy | Doesn't happen with the bundled volume control plugin. |
| 03:52.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a negative volume supposed to be |
| 03:52.44 | troy | Negative volume is how the system records muting. "-100" is muted "100". "-50" is muted "50". |
| 03:53.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 03:57.07 | prak | are there any developers here for maemo apps? |
| 03:59.58 | GeneralAntilles | troy, I'll file it on b.m.o and see if I can reproduce tomorrow. |
| 04:00.00 | GeneralAntilles | Thanks! |
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| 04:16.14 | troy | prak: Lots |
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| 04:47.06 | prak | troy: are you one of them? |
| 04:47.57 | Macer | you guys better jumjp on teh qt bandwagon |
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| 05:02.11 | brainy142 | hey everyone... |
| 05:03.52 | EdLin | hi |
| 05:05.02 | brainy142 | So Ed what are you up to? |
| 05:05.46 | EdLin | no mucho... |
| 05:05.53 | brainy142 | cool |
| 05:06.13 | EdLin | wondering if anything is going to be developed for my n810 now with n900 and Mameo moving to Qt |
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| 05:06.25 | brainy142 | I just wish my linux would extrct rars it's a pain to goto my windows computer lol. |
| 05:06.34 | EdLin | brainy142: unrar |
| 05:06.41 | brainy142 | ya... I have that already |
| 05:06.45 | RST38h | apt-get install unrar |
| 05:07.11 | brainy142 | worked in ubuntu but.... failed in.. one sec forgot what I'm using lol |
| 05:09.15 | brainy142 | I'm pretty sure I'm using deban |
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| 05:09.57 | brainy142 | yup it's deban |
| 05:10.11 | brainy142 | I'l try reinstalling the package |
| 05:13.57 | brainy142 | well it's working now at least :D |
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| 05:29.17 | troy | prak:Yes |
| 05:34.16 | troy | EdLin: Harmattan is a way off yet. On the n800 and n810 GTK is still the way to go since the cost of the QT libraries (both Flash and RAM footprint) is a litle on the heavy side. |
| 05:34.52 | EdLin | troy: nice to know that my n810 will have a little bit of support left then |
| 05:38.50 | bef0rd | Hey, I'm not sure if this has already been said somewhere, will the 'next' maemo os run on n8x0? |
| 05:40.11 | troy | Nokia will only be making it for the n900 and, presumably, later devices. |
| 05:42.09 | bef0rd | oh, that sucks. heh, I thought freemantle would run on my n810 |
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| 05:43.30 | troy | They're saying it will be "community supported" or something along those lines. |
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| 06:42.01 | qkall | hiya, i have turbo debian install... I messed up the install so i deleted the files and...well the internal mmc2 is only showing ~400mbs free with nothing on it... |
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| 06:45.00 | qkall | Guess thats not a question... How do i get that space back... Preferablly not reflashing. |
| 06:46.25 | qkall | Is it safe to reformat the internal mmc? And if so what file system ext2? |
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| 07:17.10 | Macer | When Harmattan arrives, Nokia intends to turn over the responsibility for supporting GTK+ on Maemo to the community. |
| 07:17.17 | Macer | lol |
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| 08:21.26 | arp | echo djdjd |
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| 09:11.56 | aquatix | morning all |
| 09:14.08 | lcuk | mornin aquatix |
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| 10:18.01 | timeless_mbp | Macer: what's funny about that? |
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| 11:07.34 | r4ph431 | hello, I would like to know if anybody found the smartq5 kernel .config and/or knows how customly patched it is from the vanilla sources |
| 11:07.56 | Stskeeps | r4ph431: i think you're in the wrong channel, #mer might apply better :P |
| 11:08.11 | r4ph431 | ok, thank you :) |
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| 11:17.31 | Stskeeps | inz: how is the pannable xterm supposed to work exactly? |
| 11:19.35 | lcuk | finger touch scrolling with kinetics |
| 11:19.45 | lcuk | it was on the devices in cph |
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| 11:20.50 | javispedro | ~seen melmoth |
| 11:20.52 | infobot | melmoth <n=melmoth@213.166.216.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 243d 18h 45m 2s ago, saying: 'otherwise, you will have to recompile the plugin coming from free desktop, but, against the library avaialble in scatchbox, wich may be ...tricky'. |
| 11:21.19 | lcuk | 243days to recompile something! |
| 11:22.16 | javispedro | swig maintainer... |
| 11:24.40 | woglinde | hihi |
| 11:26.52 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: infobot is a bit thick, he was here y/day |
| 11:27.22 | javispedro | was going to pm him anyway since he was at tmo too |
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| 12:02.16 | lbt | did it land yet? |
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| 12:11.39 | Macer_ | timeless_mbp: because compared to the look of qt based stuff.. gtk looks and feels horrible |
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| 12:38.34 | Jaffa | Afternoon |
| 12:40.01 | Stskeeps | afternoon |
| 12:40.25 | lbt | hi |
| 12:42.39 | Macer | Stskeeps: better hurry and move over to qt |
| 12:42.42 | Macer | before you miss the boat |
| 12:43.06 | Stskeeps | oh we know |
| 12:43.13 | Stskeeps | we already have qt for maemo you know :P |
| 12:43.26 | Macer | having it and using it are 2 different things ;) |
| 12:43.38 | Macer | i didn't know nokia was going to qt up symbian |
| 12:43.40 | Macer | thank god :) |
| 12:43.40 | Macer | haha |
| 12:43.57 | lbt | wonders who will have Qt desktop first... Mer or Harmattan ? |
| 12:43.59 | Macer | that should be a promising os. hope they don't mess it up |
| 12:44.06 | Macer | haha |
| 12:44.09 | Macer | i hope mer |
| 12:44.10 | Macer | :) |
| 12:44.16 | Macer | so i can put it on my touch book |
| 12:45.16 | Macer | i was looking at the pics of the tablet based stuff for the touch book and it kind of reminded me of that qtablet stuff you showed me |
| 12:45.30 | Macer | but that can't be so because i am pretty sure when docked to the keyboard it was using xfce |
| 12:46.15 | Macer | the cigarette withdrawal symptoms are diminishing |
| 13:06.28 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i built libgcc for uclibc profile and busybox from chroot works against it |
| 13:06.42 | Stskeeps | from initfs that is |
| 13:06.45 | slonopotamus | err |
| 13:06.53 | slonopotamus | busybox in chroot from initfs |
| 13:07.03 | slonopotamus | from initfs in chroot |
| 13:07.08 | slonopotamus | smth like that |
| 13:07.31 | qwerty12_N810 | lol, nice |
| 13:07.46 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: if you can note it on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373 i'm sure fanoush would pick up on it |
| 13:08.14 | Stskeeps | also, what versions of gcc + uclibc? |
| 13:08.50 | slonopotamus | gcc-4.4.0, uclibc-0.9.30.1 |
| 13:10.39 | Stskeeps | good, so my hunch was right so far :P that uclibc would be backwards compatible and probably used the nokia patches for eabi |
| 13:10.54 | qwerty12_N810 | Good to see a newer gcc works, nokia was using 3.4.4 |
| 13:12.06 | qwerty12_N810 | Nokia patches? As in Nokia actually released (*gasp*) something? |
| 13:12.40 | ShadowJK | isn't so convinced about running QT on N8x0 |
| 13:13.03 | Stskeeps | well, or whatever made eabi work |
| 13:13.07 | ShadowJK | unless you can get rid of GTK entirely, it'll just slow down things alot to have GTK+QT on memory starved devices :/ |
| 13:13.49 | qwerty12_N810 | Maybe they did it themselves. Nokia isn't keen on releasing jack shit |
| 13:14.04 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 13:15.03 | kkrusty | I've tried and failed at getting my n800 to create ttyUSB0 |
| 13:15.05 | kkrusty | in dev |
| 13:15.09 | slonopotamus | so. that possibly means we can rebuild initfs. dunmo why, however :) |
| 13:15.39 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities |
| 13:15.58 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: If you're Luke-Jr, you want everything free :D |
| 13:15.59 | kkrusty | does anyone have usb serial working with ftdi? |
| 13:16.17 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i'm not sure i want initfs at all |
| 13:16.31 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: it makes sense when we want to do FIASCO images and such. |
| 13:16.32 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: root=1f04 :) |
| 13:16.41 | Stskeeps | yeah, what qwerty sai |
| 13:16.41 | Stskeeps | d |
| 13:16.41 | kkrusty | anyone? |
| 13:16.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:16.49 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, except for bme and bootmenu, there isn't anything useful |
| 13:17.10 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, i'm not sure i want fiasco image |
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| 13:18.26 | Stskeeps | either way, could you document the steps to get to that point somewhere? |
| 13:18.29 | Stskeeps | ideally in the bug report |
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| 13:20.19 | kkrusty | has anyone had usbserial/ftdi_sio create ttyUSB0 in /dev ? |
| 13:20.29 | Stskeeps | did you enable host mode? |
| 13:20.34 | kkrusty | yes I did |
| 13:20.46 | kkrusty | using usbcontrol -> host mode |
| 13:20.55 | Stskeeps | now i get unsure if it even has udev |
| 13:21.20 | kkrusty | looks for a pastebin |
| 13:22.02 | kkrusty | I hope Im not sucking you into trying to solve this problem |
| 13:22.11 | Stskeeps | also, is it connected to a powered usb hub? |
| 13:22.47 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: do I have to connect it to anything? |
| 13:22.55 | kkrusty | feels stupid |
| 13:23.00 | Stskeeps | does it show up in lsusb? :P |
| 13:23.13 | slonopotamus | i'm too lazy for that :) 1. install gentoo. 2. emerge crossdev 3. build crosstoolchain: crossdev armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi 4. emerge crossdev-wrappers 5. emerge-armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi -v1 =sys-devel/gcc-4.4* 6. copy /usr/armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi/ to tablet. 7. copy busybox from initfs into it 8. chroot. |
| 13:23.20 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, ^ |
| 13:23.27 | kkrusty | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 13:23.35 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, now tweak to your tools |
| 13:23.39 | kkrusty | Im not sure I know what Im looking at |
| 13:24.01 | Stskeeps | krutt: doesn't look connected |
| 13:24.18 | krutt | :/ |
| 13:24.48 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: I havent connected the usb to anything TBH. Do I need to in order to have the device file created? |
| 13:25.07 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: step 1 kinda puts a downer on the rest for me |
| 13:25.10 | slonopotamus | bme_RX-34 --help works :) |
| 13:25.33 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, i have no idea how you create cross toolchains in other distros |
| 13:25.52 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, use whatever tools your distro has |
| 13:26.14 | kkrusty | dmesg http://pastebin.com/mc7e058a |
| 13:26.38 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, the point is that given toolchain with given versions produces working env |
| 13:26.56 | qwerty12_N810 | slonopotamus: Heh, I'm just taking the piss. It actually seems like a plus here :) |
| 13:28.00 | slonopotamus | qwerty12_N810, it's extremely easy to create toolchains in gentoo. just `crossdev $CTARGET` |
| 13:28.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: can you test if text2screen or the likes link OK? |
| 13:29.15 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, why it shouldn't? |
| 13:29.31 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: checking for pitfalls :) |
| 13:31.14 | slonopotamus | original text2screen happily draws letters |
| 13:31.19 | kkrusty | Stskeeps: so any idea from the paste? Do I have to have it connected to something? |
| 13:32.08 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: thanks |
| 13:32.47 | ShadowJK | kkrusty, what are you trying to do? |
| 13:33.23 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: well the big picture is to be able to communicate between an arduino and n800 over usb serial |
| 13:33.39 | ShadowJK | What kind of cable is that? |
| 13:34.02 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: http://blog.locationist.net/2008/03/16/arduino-interaction/ |
| 13:34.56 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: briefly I installed usbcontrol, set it to host mode and then insmod-ed usbserial.ko and ftdi_sio.ko |
| 13:35.13 | kkrusty | all this over ssh without a usb cable |
| 13:35.27 | kkrusty | Im not sure I understand how the usb cable becomes relevant in all this |
| 13:35.44 | ShadowJK | Well in general, if the arduino has a serial port and you have a cable with built in usb-serial converter, then connecting the cable to N8x0 should make device show up. If the arduino has a USB port to which you connect a cable, then you need to have teh cable connected to both the N8x0 and the arduino |
| 13:35.48 | kkrusty | my objective is to have the ttyUSB0 device created after which I will use the cable |
| 13:36.14 | ShadowJK | It will not create the device with no cable at all |
| 13:36.29 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: right. Thats the answer I was looking for |
| 13:36.34 | glass | kkrusty: just out of curiosity, which ftdi dongle you got or? using for general purpose io? |
| 13:37.35 | kkrusty | okay I havent looked a lot into the cable stuff because I didnt know you need one to create the ttyUSB0 device |
| 13:37.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810, slonopotamus: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3373#c15 accurate? |
| 13:37.56 | slonopotamus | reading... |
| 13:37.58 | kkrusty | I thought any usb cable would do |
| 13:38.13 | kkrusty | with the appropriate ends |
| 13:39.04 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, smth like that. i think we don't want their toolchain |
| 13:39.23 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: legally they have to give uclibc to us, at least :P |
| 13:39.28 | Stskeeps | but anyway, that wasn't my focus |
| 13:40.10 | Stskeeps | focus is to actually make crap work :P |
| 13:40.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: and busybox. their legal page has a really nice section on lawsuits |
| 13:40.21 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 13:40.34 | kkrusty | so is there any way I could use the usb cable that came with the n800 to serial com with a PC? |
| 13:40.44 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: I got rid of GTK entirely |
| 13:41.24 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: they don't need to give it to us as patchsets ;) |
| 13:43.46 | ShadowJK | kkrusty, no I don't think so |
| 13:44.02 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: so what kind of cable am I looking for/ |
| 13:44.03 | kkrusty | ? |
| 13:44.20 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I don't want it to be construed as an excuse for Nokia to continue doing fuck-all, however. |
| 13:44.26 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah, i know |
| 13:44.32 | ShadowJK | according to wikipedia there are both arduinos with serial ports and arduinos with usb ports, so I guess it'd depend on that |
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| 13:45.14 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: The arduino that I have has a usb but it communicates with the pc using serial over usb |
| 13:45.37 | ShadowJK | It's likely that it has USB-serial converter onboard |
| 13:45.53 | ShadowJK | so I would guess that a USB cable that fits the connectors would be enough then |
| 13:47.38 | kkrusty | ShadowJK: okay I think I'll try getting the right cable first |
| 13:47.53 | kkrusty | thanks a lot for the help |
| 13:48.22 | kkrusty | I'll possibly come back when I have the cable :D |
| 13:48.46 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, legally they have to give. but looks like we don't need it |
| 13:49.23 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: if they don't adhere we just grab slashdot ; |
| 13:49.24 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 13:49.35 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, what do you think about building uclibc-based system for tablet? :) |
| 13:50.38 | ShadowJK | I suspect it doesn't play well together with qt :) |
| 13:50.42 | RST38h | moo all |
| 13:50.46 | lcuk | Stskeeps, technically, they could ask you to send an SAE and 12 floppydisks along wit ha postal order for £10 |
| 13:51.10 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, not sure |
| 13:52.25 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yes, they could |
| 13:53.20 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: that would just make them anal-retentive as the source to the busybox used in diablo is available easily |
| 13:54.00 | lcuk | lol, it would be kinda cool if that was the only way to get it tho |
| 13:54.02 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: besides that we aren't going to see anything on this side of july anyway :P |
| 13:54.13 | Stskeeps | as they're on holidays |
| 13:54.37 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, how's bme reversing goes? i finished fb_text2screen, wanna take next target :) |
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| 13:58.55 | Stskeeps | how is libcal read/writing going? :P |
| 14:01.41 | woglinde | uclibc works with qt |
| 14:07.26 | Jaffa | Woohoo, I have (hacky) in-foreground-updates-only working. |
| 14:07.46 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 14:08.02 | Stskeeps | really needs a proper torx driver to fix his n810 |
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| 14:18.03 | thopiekar | hey |
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| 14:29.29 | RichiH | is there any ETA at all for the n900? |
| 14:32.21 | Stskeeps | my guess: september, nokia world |
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| 14:36.58 | johnsq | Hi |
| 14:38.02 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, libcal... what do you want from it? that api that you showed is very low level and requires you to know where what is stored |
| 14:38.38 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: well, basically some way to read and write to it |
| 14:38.47 | Stskeeps | ideally without smashing your tablet |
| 14:39.03 | slonopotamus | i'll make some shared lib to avoid copypasting in wlan-cal/cat-tool |
| 14:39.17 | slonopotamus | s/cat/cal/ |
| 14:39.35 | Stskeeps | k |
| 14:41.12 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, the question is do we want single entry point like dsme server or just a shared lib and some file-based(?) lock mechanism |
| 14:41.42 | Stskeeps | always a good question.. |
| 14:42.34 | johnsq | Kernel module :) |
| 14:42.46 | slonopotamus | need to search if mtd supports locking |
| 14:43.48 | johnsq | any idea why Xephyr shows only 5 fonts (fixed, luxi ... and nil)? |
| 14:44.11 | slonopotamus | Luke-Jr, johnsq, https://bugs.gentoo.org/262912 someone else is playing with gentoo on n810 :) |
| 14:46.35 | johnsq | yes i wanted arm-softfloat-linux-uclibcgnueabi |
| 14:46.38 | slonopotamus | http://cvs.tuxbox.org/tuxbox/apps/misc/tools/mtd/lock.c?rev=1.1&view=markup mtd definitely has locking |
| 14:46.56 | johnsq | but it didn't build :( |
| 14:47.08 | slonopotamus | johnsq, 'it'? |
| 14:47.20 | slonopotamus | johnsq, you don't want softfloat |
| 14:47.53 | slonopotamus | johnsq, you want armv6[j,l]-gentoo-linux-[gnu,uclibc]eabi |
| 14:47.57 | johnsq | slonopotamus: the uclibc crosscompiler toolset. i give than up |
| 14:48.34 | slonopotamus | johnsq, i built ~arm armv6j-gentoo-linux-uclibceabi toolchain yesterday |
| 14:48.51 | slonopotamus | johnsq, stable uclibc didn't build, btw |
| 14:49.35 | johnsq | slonopotamus: same idea! I giveup, still enough other projects laying around. |
| 14:49.54 | slonopotamus | but using uclibc means more chances something fails to build |
| 14:51.06 | johnsq | slonopotamus: every developer should compile his app not only with gnu stuff. |
| 14:52.29 | slonopotamus | johnsq, huh. tell that to perl and python developers |
| 14:53.37 | johnsq | slonopotamus: this should fix it, they both want world domination. |
| 14:53.46 | johnsq | /this/they |
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| 15:00.31 | slonopotamus | especially perl. it doesn't support crosscompilation at all |
| 15:07.32 | GeneralAntilles | Somebody want to clear up this for me: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16500&page=2 |
| 15:07.39 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently I don't have the patience. |
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| 15:41.30 | Jaffa | lcuk: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-July/019941.html |
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| 15:42.00 | Jaffa | lcuk: basically, can you polling during the frequent updates to detect going into the background, and focus-in-event to detect coming back to the foreground |
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| 15:42.42 | Jaffa | s/can you/you can/ |
| 15:42.47 | lcuk | that might be useful for other things, good to know you found a workround |
| 15:43.03 | lcuk | i use something similar already for showing/hiding the xz overlay |
| 15:43.17 | lcuk | xv even |
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| 16:00.53 | Jaffa | summarises current community SSU plan (corrections welcome): http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=304018&postcount=35 |
| 16:01.12 | Stskeeps | looks |
| 16:01.30 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: in response to your response about it ;-) |
| 16:02.42 | Stskeeps | except i'm willing to bet you're going to get nothing done the next month, as we will need to pull on the expertise of marius volmer, who i'm almost betting will be on vacation |
| 16:02.56 | Stskeeps | except if i can find that post he made.. hmm |
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| 16:03.43 | Stskeeps | http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg18585.html is relevant for the post too |
| 16:03.55 | Stskeeps | well, okay, that's you, not the post i was looking for. |
| 16:03.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:04.20 | Stskeeps | but the right thread :) |
| 16:04.34 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: indeed. |
| 16:04.58 | Jaffa | counts on no volunteers apart from the people who've already discussed it here and/or we'd expect to be involved anyway |
| 16:06.00 | Stskeeps | as for my participation i'm running off to debconf to attract more users to the platform 23-31 :P |
| 16:06.06 | Stskeeps | and i think jeremiah will be same spot |
| 16:06.31 | Jaffa | Cool. |
| 16:07.07 | Stskeeps | but yes, the plan looks fine |
| 16:07.25 | Stskeeps | provided there's no nasty hardcodings in HAM |
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| 16:09.20 | Stskeeps | one thing to keep in mind: a SSU is a repository containing all the packages and versions as they should be. that needs to be investigated. because if we have to provide a full repository, we will have to deal with same issues as with Mer, having to hide it behind a EULA |
| 16:09.43 | Stskeeps | and deal with the 3rd party bits as well |
| 16:09.54 | Stskeeps | if we can just make a partial repository, then that's fine |
| 16:10.25 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: true, good point. |
| 16:10.41 | Stskeeps | and that's the legally awkward part :) |
| 16:11.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I imagine we can just make an osso-software-version which depends on higher revisions; then, once community-updates is installed they'll be satisfiable. |
| 16:11.13 | Stskeeps | yeah - i hope that's how it works |
| 16:11.22 | Jaffa | Just because Nokia's SSU is a full overcomplication doesn't mean ours should have to be (<fx:fingers crossed) |
| 16:11.27 | Stskeeps | it just worries me that they provide a whole repository :) |
| 16:12.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: how intimate are you with HAM these days? |
| 16:12.29 | Stskeeps | (wanting to beat it up is fine) |
| 16:12.58 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, not a fan but I understand it well |
| 16:13.34 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: the key signing stuff is just an addition to a list and a key or something or how was it? if we have to make it SSUable |
| 16:14.06 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 16:14.09 | slonopotamus | dudes |
| 16:14.37 | slonopotamus | debian already has upgrading facilities. why you're reinventing the wheel? |
| 16:14.51 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: oh, we're not reinventing the wheel |
| 16:14.51 | qwerty12 | Stskeeps, yep, one added by apt-key and one by hildon-application-manager-config |
| 16:15.00 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: okay, so 1) on the list is fairly trivial |
| 16:15.19 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, just make apt-get dist-upgrade work |
| 16:15.20 | Stskeeps | just involves logistics and getting in touch with various people handling the maemo.org repositories |
| 16:15.29 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: mer upgrades work just fine :P |
| 16:15.38 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 16:15.39 | qwerty12 | Extras already has keys, I would assume that its trust level just needs raising |
| 16:15.40 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: either way, SSU is similar to ubuntu's editing your release name |
| 16:15.56 | Stskeeps | qwerty12: mm - i presume it's not on component level |
| 16:16.09 | slonopotamus | i see how mer users reflash it every week or so :P |
| 16:16.20 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: that's just cos it's so fun to hack |
| 16:16.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:16.37 | Stskeeps | something makes me jitter a bit over extras and not only that component being trusted |
| 16:17.05 | Stskeeps | apologies to thopiekar over there, but if extras gained SSU status and not only that component, it would be a disaster :) |
| 16:17.25 | Stskeeps | so that needs to be taken into account as well |
| 16:17.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Yes, I agree and raised that issue the last time |
| 16:17.32 | Jaffa | Maybe it's not a component, maybe a new dist? |
| 16:17.44 | thopiekar | wuch .. missed something? |
| 16:17.49 | Stskeeps | same thing, a key is the repository itself |
| 16:18.08 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: nah, it's fine, we're just discussing the pitfalls of extras as the SSU spot :) |
| 16:18.21 | thopiekar | oki :P |
| 16:18.44 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: as far as i recall only way to do it is to have r.m.o/community instead |
| 16:19.02 | qwerty12_N810 | A "repository.maemo.org/updates" would probably be a lot easier in terms of addition to both maemo.org and ham |
| 16:19.06 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Sorry, I meant dist, i.e. http://repository.maemo.org/community-updates diablo free non-free |
| 16:19.12 | Stskeeps | yes, like that |
| 16:19.52 | slonopotamus | poor binary users :P |
| 16:20.27 | javispedro | mysqlf, I'm starting to be weary o fa whole SSU, and would be happy with plain "aptitude safe-upgrade" |
| 16:20.49 | slonopotamus | javispedro, it's too simple for maemo |
| 16:21.25 | qwerty12 | The SSU repo also has a higher sort-weight than Extras which is why I think another repo with a higher sort weight would be easier - by increasing Extras' sort-weight, you are also increasing the sort-weight for packages in free etc |
| 16:24.08 | slonopotamus | wonders what'll happen if someone uploads newer osso-software-rx* to exras |
| 16:24.37 | javispedro | I guess h-a-m'll refuse to install a newer osso-software-rx* if all of the depending packages are not on the same repo, trust-level, or whatever |
| 16:24.59 | javispedro | and that's the reason doing a full SSU requires so much work? |
| 16:25.17 | Stskeeps | javispedro: a osso-software-rx does not have to be all dependancies i guess |
| 16:25.17 | Stskeeps | but that's another thing |
| 16:26.55 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: at least the SSU stuff is a prime example of why community isn't just site work/infrastructure but also outreach and facilitation :P |
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| 16:39.51 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: yup |
| 16:40.10 | Jaffa | javispedro: Doing a full SSU requires so much work because Nokia's QA is resource intensive and limited. |
| 16:40.40 | Jaffa | By doing a whole repo per SSU, it becomes easier to test the upgrade; as the previous versions of all packages are known. |
| 16:41.29 | Jaffa | Not an issue in a community update for two reasons: 1) we're not going to be doing lots, just bits of simple apps probably; 2) we don't get a support bill if someone needs to reflash or loses all their docs |
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| 16:45.23 | Stskeeps | 2) could be interesting if it did actually happen :P |
| 16:47.26 | javispedro | sues Mer for bricking his tablet the first time he tried to install it, because he's an idiot and didn't use bootmenu |
| 16:47.42 | Stskeeps | except we did actually say no warranty |
| 16:47.42 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:48.20 | javispedro | bends over and takes it up the tail pipe :D |
| 16:49.34 | lcuk | i dont think nokia charger fits in there |
| 16:49.55 | ShadowJK | the car charger might |
| 16:49.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Talking from experience? ;) |
| 16:50.16 | lcuk | not direct, i read it on some blog |
| 16:50.42 | lcuk | faheem.london.blogspot or somethin |
| 16:51.18 | qwerty12 | Fuck. That's me caught out. It's true: I love to have Nokia chargers giving me buttsechs. |
| 16:51.29 | lcuk | shocking! |
| 16:52.19 | crashanddie_ | I would've thought the blog be called "manchesterunplugged" |
| 16:52.44 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:52.59 | crashanddie_ | qwerty12, open your window and listen carefully, I'm testing a new amp |
| 16:53.54 | qwerty12_N810 | .. |
| 16:54.45 | lcuk | can hear icecreamvan |
| 16:58.12 | javispedro | is deaf cause his amd athlon needs an industrial fan |
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| 17:07.00 | melmoth | is it me or is maemo.org unusable from the tablet ? |
| 17:07.10 | ShadowJK | heh :) |
| 17:07.38 | Stskeeps | melmoth: most of us use Tear these days, then it's better :P |
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| 17:10.08 | javispedro | melmoth: thanks for your email! |
| 17:10.23 | javispedro | it didn't realize scratchbox's maemo devkit had its own evil copy of swig |
| 17:10.30 | javispedro | s/it/I/ |
| 17:10.48 | melmoth | hi javispedro ! |
| 17:11.19 | melmoth | javispedro, what are you planning to code ? |
| 17:11.31 | javispedro | port pybox2d |
| 17:11.39 | javispedro | and Elements |
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| 17:12.39 | melmoth | never heard of em. |
| 17:12.39 | melmoth | google a bit |
| 17:13.45 | javispedro | it's what numptyphysics uses, in its C incarnation |
| 17:13.52 | javispedro | (AFAIK) |
| 17:14.47 | melmoth | i see |
| 17:15.12 | melmoth | what relation with the sword engine ? |
| 17:15.52 | javispedro | none afaik, just that it needed a more recent version of swig |
| 17:16.13 | melmoth | ahah, ok :-) |
| 17:16.46 | melmoth | you saw the sbox_redirect trick ? |
| 17:16.49 | javispedro | yep |
| 17:17.02 | javispedro | and thanks again cause it already built ! :D |
| 17:17.05 | melmoth | cool, i bet it may help. |
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| 17:30.11 | inz | Stskeeps, pannable xterm? I've never heard of such thing |
| 17:30.53 | Stskeeps | inz: osso-xterm, newest version has the screen pannable for scrolling, .. or at least i think so |
| 17:31.47 | inz | Stskeeps, well, I've had nothing to do with it =) |
| 17:31.52 | Stskeeps | alright |
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| 18:09.49 | woglinde | jo booxter |
| 18:10.10 | booxter | hi woglinde;) |
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| 18:24.55 | EdLin | hi. is there a way to get an appliction to be in a different maemo menu? |
| 18:24.59 | RST38h | UNDEFINED SYMBOLS: r1 |
| 18:25.04 | RST38h | is at loss |
| 18:25.41 | EdLin | application* |
| 18:27.32 | javispedro | you mean, like "my selection" instead of extras? |
| 18:27.36 | qwerty12_N810 | EdLin: Control Panel -> Panels -> (Applications) Organise (if I understood you correctly) |
| 18:29.13 | EdLin | thanks |
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| 18:33.45 | xnt14 | sets up his new server xD |
| 18:33.56 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 18:34.29 | javispedro | why did nobody yet uploaded a stub "python-runtime" package to extras (as in Fremantle)? Does it break a shitload of packages? |
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| 18:34.40 | xnt14 | hmm.... |
| 18:34.59 | javispedro | (I mean, in Diablo we still have the python2.5-* mess instead of python-) |
| 18:35.25 | lcuk | javispedro, there is no extras for fremantle lol |
| 18:35.42 | javispedro | s/extras/extras-devel then |
| 18:35.56 | javispedro | also, no python-support |
| 18:35.57 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:36.01 | lcuk | :( |
| 18:36.09 | javispedro | sometimes I just wish Maemo was more like Debian :P |
| 18:36.31 | javispedro | sometimes I don't though :D |
| 18:36.38 | xnt14 | xD |
| 18:39.39 | javispedro | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1299991&cid=28667561 |
| 18:39.42 | javispedro | priceless slashdot comment |
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| 19:10.39 | jaem | hey folks |
| 19:12.04 | jaem | is there any way to play old (non-DOS) games on the N810? I know that running Win98 emulated doesn't work terribly well, but is there anything similar to Wine that might work? |
| 19:12.35 | jaem | the recommended specs are very conservative (75MHz Pentium, etc.) |
| 19:12.40 | johnsq | use mame or c64 emulaator. |
| 19:12.49 | jaem | it's a Windows game, though |
| 19:13.04 | jaem | for Win95 |
| 19:13.39 | johnsq | jaem: qemu for x86, don't know how slow it is. |
| 19:14.16 | jaem | johnsq: thanks, I'll try it |
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| 19:15.12 | johnsq | you should use old ppc documentation for x86 emulation |
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| 19:17.46 | jaem | hmm... |
| 19:17.56 | jaem | actually, would PPC be better or worse, for emulation? |
| 19:18.01 | jaem | the disc comes with both versions |
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| 19:18.38 | javispedro | it is slow |
| 19:19.23 | jaem | figures |
| 19:19.34 | javispedro | slow as in "you can see letters individually appearing on the screen" |
| 19:19.38 | jaem | lol |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | cool effect, what game is that from? |
| 19:20.23 | jaem | the game is /really/ old |
| 19:20.23 | jaem | is it even worth trying? |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | i say no |
| 19:20.24 | lcuk | write your own |
| 19:20.28 | jaem | lcuk: thanks |
| 19:20.29 | jaem | haha |
| 19:20.41 | lcuk | we used to spend years and years playing the simplest little fun games |
| 19:21.03 | jaem | it's called "Pinball Science", and came with a kids kit I got years ago, which was a companion to a book called "The Way Things Work", by David Macaulay |
| 19:21.08 | lcuk | you dont need cinematic trailers or explosize plots |
| 19:21.19 | lcuk | just have something eat something else or fall on something |
| 19:21.22 | jaem | it was a great book when I was in elementary school :P |
| 19:21.40 | jaem | has anyone else read it? The author had an obsession with mammoths |
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| 19:21.47 | jaem | brb - moving lawn furniture |
| 19:22.10 | lcuk | mammoth stampede due? |
| 19:22.27 | javispedro | Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 19:23.14 | javispedro | oh god no, I was just thinking ... "see. how easy is to debug a PROPER platform and not that PalmOS with its no-debuggers-allowed-policy" |
| 19:23.22 | javispedro | when this appearead |
| 19:23.46 | javispedro | debates to paste it here or not.. 2 lines |
| 19:24.15 | javispedro | decides to flood |
| 19:24.17 | javispedro | (gdb) info stack\n #0 0x40478664 in b2BroadPhase::Query (this=0x4057400c, lowerQueryOut=0xbec0a0cc, upperQueryOut=0xbec0a0c8, lowerValue=32784, |
| 19:24.17 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.55 | javispedro | which smells from kilometers as total ABI failure since that's the 7th param |
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| 19:30.12 | Stskeeps | adds another 770 to the WSOD pile. |
| 19:30.28 | lbt | wavy screen of death ? |
| 19:30.50 | Stskeeps | nah, white screen of death |
| 19:31.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Use it for target practice. They don't seem to be good for much else |
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| 19:32.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i was thinking to use it for transplants |
| 19:33.03 | Stskeeps | taking the DC jack from it, and putting it in the n800 i just stole one from |
| 19:33.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:33.10 | Stskeeps | WSOD puts it in lower priority |
| 19:33.33 | qwerty12_N810 | So, what was your mistake? Turning it on? |
| 19:33.44 | Stskeeps | in this case, turning it on while USB was connected |
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| 19:40.03 | xnt14 | hmm |
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| 19:40.28 | xnt14 | hates the jaunty updater |
| 19:41.22 | xnt14 | wonders how to cram a crapload of info on a 1024x768 monitor....... |
| 19:41.26 | xnt14 | wmii? |
| 19:41.31 | xnt14 | installs it ;) |
| 19:41.53 | xnt14 | links http://suckless.org |
| 19:41.59 | xnt14 | err wrong window xD |
| 19:47.47 | xnt14 | sudo apt-get install libixp |
| 19:47.49 | xnt14 | crap |
| 19:47.56 | xnt14 | argh |
| 19:48.09 | xnt14 | synergy is starting to get more confusing xD |
| 19:48.25 | xnt14 | hooks up a seperate kb to his new server.... |
| 19:48.31 | xnt14 | and mouse xD |
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| 19:58.05 | timeless_mbp | someone tell jaem that i have the way things work :) |
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| 20:26.26 | kkrusty | canola lastfm plugin doesnt work |
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| 20:31.52 | disco_stu | kkrusty, lastfm is paid now |
| 20:32.15 | kkrusty | really? |
| 20:32.26 | kkrusty | so that message box I get is intentional? |
| 20:32.35 | qwerty12_N810 | It's still free in some countries |
| 20:32.48 | kkrusty | I bet its not in the UK |
| 20:32.54 | qwerty12_N810 | kkrusty: it is ;) |
| 20:33.05 | qwerty12_N810 | Using Vagalume right now ;) |
| 20:33.26 | kkrusty | vagalume eh? |
| 20:34.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Standalone last.fm app, available from Extras. I think the author actually keeps it updated.. |
| 20:34.56 | kkrusty | I like canola's interface. |
| 20:35.21 | disco_stu | i miss last.fm here in argentina i cant use without paying :( |
| 20:35.32 | qwerty12_N810 | Interface means nothing when something doesn't work. But, anyway, *shrug* |
| 20:35.43 | kkrusty | although I dont understand why theres going to be an rtm plugin for it now but that will make it awesomer |
| 20:37.27 | kkrusty | I cant help noticing a lot of abandoned projects in maemo |
| 20:37.36 | kkrusty | like zutun and doneit(?) perhaps |
| 20:41.48 | kkrusty | qwerty12_N810: true. I guess having all the stuff at the same place is less desirable than actually having those things to work |
| 20:58.41 | xnt14 | is bored |
| 20:58.53 | xnt14 | orders pizza |
| 21:14.10 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: GIMME |
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| 21:28.39 | EdLin | Luke-Jr: emerge pizza and wait 48 hours. |
| 21:28.48 | Luke-Jr | ew |
| 21:28.52 | Luke-Jr | Domino's is faster than that |
| 21:29.09 | EdLin | apt-get pizza will get it to you in 5 minutes or less. ;-) |
| 21:29.24 | Stskeeps | ow, burn |
| 21:29.24 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:30.02 | GeneralAntilles | Domino's? Gross. |
| 21:30.26 | Stskeeps | prefers the local turkish/pakistani pizza places |
| 21:30.27 | lcuk | edlin, apt-get pizza has dependencies on $cash |
| 21:30.40 | auntieNeo | uh, I'm trying to partition this memory card to add swap, but whenever I unmount it maemo decides to mount it again instantly... |
| 21:30.50 | lcuk | which cannot be resolved from my repository :( care to share yours? |
| 21:30.53 | Stskeeps | kill ke-recv, auntieNeo |
| 21:31.13 | EdLin | lcuk: lol |
| 21:31.50 | auntieNeo | Stskeeps: it will not die T_T |
| 21:32.03 | auntieNeo | oh, crashed it :( |
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| 21:38.39 | auntieNeo | this is impossible |
| 21:39.06 | Stskeeps | ke-recv stop |
| 21:39.31 | Stskeeps | in etc/init.d |
| 21:39.48 | auntieNeo | aparently ke-recv is in my PATH |
| 21:39.59 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.32 | auntieNeo | thanks |
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| 21:46.10 | Luke-Jr | GeneralAntilles: only Domino's has bacon pizza |
| 22:04.22 | crashanddie_ | only dodo has bacon on their pizzas? |
| 22:04.26 | crashanddie_ | Dammit, where do you live? |
| 22:05.55 | Luke-Jr | crashanddie_: I am held hostage by the evil state of Nebraska. |
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| 22:13.26 | auntieNeo | Nebraska? never heard of it ;P |
| 22:18.18 | xnt14 | Luke-jr, xDDD |
| 22:18.29 | xnt14 | Stskeeps, |
| 22:18.36 | xnt14 | preferes pakistani food |
| 22:18.41 | GAN800 | Luke-Jr, what a piss poor justification. |
| 22:18.43 | xnt14 | pakistani food ftw! xD |
| 22:18.51 | GAN800 | Also, crashanddie_, usuk. |
| 22:19.17 | xnt14 | goes back to figuring out why wmii doesn't respond to the mod key |
| 22:19.20 | crashanddie_ | GAN800, you suck! |
| 22:19.31 | Macer | lame |
| 22:19.43 | Macer | touch books are going to come out like friggin popcorn hour boxes |
| 22:19.46 | GeneralAntilles | nou! |
| 22:19.54 | xnt14 | xD |
| 22:19.57 | Macer | where you have to preorder on batches |
| 22:19.58 | Macer | bastards |
| 22:20.11 | Macer | so i guess i should see mine in like 2 months |
| 22:20.12 | Macer | blah |
| 22:20.16 | crashanddie_ | GAN800, why do I suck? |
| 22:20.18 | Macer | they better put some more chinese slave labor on it |
| 22:20.22 | GeneralAntilles | crashanddie_, just because. |
| 22:20.30 | crashanddie_ | GeneralAntilles, and? |
| 22:20.38 | GeneralAntilles | and what? |
| 22:20.47 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, nothing more to justify it? |
| 22:20.49 | GeneralAntilles | I'm allowed to be as arbitrary as I want. :P |
| 22:21.00 | crashanddie | not cool |
| 22:21.12 | GeneralAntilles | goes to dinner. |
| 22:21.15 | crashanddie | arrogant guy answer: "Yeah I know, I'm hot" |
| 22:21.23 | crashanddie | GeneralAntilles, choke on a bone |
| 22:21.50 | Macer | hahahhaa |
| 22:21.54 | GAN800 | Yes, sir! |
| 22:22.15 | Macer | he probably weighs like 500lbs with acne and heart problems at 30 while going bald |
| 22:22.29 | Macer | like in southpark where they are like "I don't know but he must be one badass dude." |
| 22:22.59 | crashanddie | Macer, you talking about who, exactly? |
| 22:23.20 | auntieNeo | half of the people on IRC? |
| 22:23.32 | Macer | GeneralAntilles |
| 22:23.36 | Macer | auntieNeo: hahaha |
| 22:23.38 | Macer | yeah that too |
| 22:23.39 | Macer | :) |
| 22:23.49 | crashanddie | nha, cuz I just find it ironic to have exactly that auntieNeo, a guy on IRC, quoting south park, dissing anyone else ;) |
| 22:23.59 | Macer | lol |
| 22:24.09 | Macer | crashanddie: we don't all look like that :) |
| 22:24.18 | crashanddie | Macer, yeah, save face while you can |
| 22:24.24 | Macer | crashanddie: lol! |
| 22:24.32 | Macer | i'm only 430.. not 500 |
| 22:24.32 | crashanddie | GA is probably one of the more healthy looking guys on this channel |
| 22:24.42 | Macer | and my doctor says with this headcream he gave me i should be able to keep most my hair |
| 22:24.50 | auntieNeo | ugh... I weigh like under 100lbs guys ;P |
| 22:24.59 | auntieNeo | I'm the skinny geek type |
| 22:25.08 | crashanddie | auntieNeo, that either means you're a dwarf or would fit in nicely in Nigeria |
| 22:25.11 | Macer | haha.. i'm 6'3" and weigh like 185 |
| 22:25.22 | Macer | althoguh since i quit smoking i put on a couple more lbs in just a couple days |
| 22:25.23 | Macer | haha |
| 22:25.31 | auntieNeo | I probably weigh like 120-130 |
| 22:25.52 | Macer | at 3'5" :) |
| 22:25.54 | Macer | haha |
| 22:25.59 | crashanddie | hahaha |
| 22:26.25 | crashanddie | 1'10 |
| 22:26.25 | Macer | like an umpa lumpa |
| 22:26.29 | Macer | crashanddie: that would be awesome |
| 22:26.34 | auntieNeo | I'm probabaly almost 6' or something... |
| 22:26.41 | Macer | damn |
| 22:26.44 | Macer | you are really skinny haha |
| 22:26.46 | Macer | jesus |
| 22:26.46 | crashanddie | 6' shorter than shakeel o'neil? |
| 22:26.51 | Macer | crashanddie: haha |
| 22:26.55 | auntieNeo | nah, I haven't measured myself in ages... |
| 22:27.02 | auntieNeo | I'm probably 5'5" or something |
| 22:27.16 | Macer | 120 at 6' is like.. starving 3rd world nation skinny |
| 22:27.24 | auntieNeo | yeah, that would be bad ;P |
| 22:27.26 | Macer | damn 5-5 is short haha |
| 22:27.36 | crashanddie | auntieNeo, you black? |
| 22:27.52 | auntieNeo | huh? I have no idea what my height is tba ;P |
| 22:27.58 | crashanddie | what am I thinking, nha, there's no black people on IRC |
| 22:28.07 | crashanddie | tba? To be awful? |
| 22:28.08 | Macer | crashanddie: thre are a lot of black people :) |
| 22:28.17 | Macer | some black people i used to work wtih a whie back are on irc |
| 22:28.32 | Macer | granted we were computer techs but it's true.. black people ARE on irc :) |
| 22:28.38 | auntieNeo | I meant tbh ;P |
| 22:28.48 | Macer | i mean they are as rare as black hockey players.. but still |
| 22:29.04 | auntieNeo | racism? on my freenode? :( |
| 22:29.11 | Macer | lol |
| 22:29.16 | crashanddie | it's like white guys playing for the england cricket team |
| 22:29.17 | Macer | that's not racism |
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| 22:29.20 | auntieNeo | sexism I can deal with... but racism? |
| 22:29.30 | auntieNeo | what about the steve erkal type geeks? :( |
| 22:29.30 | Macer | that's statistical truth :) |
| 22:29.33 | crashanddie | just doesn't exist, only paki :) |
| 22:29.50 | locutus | raises a paki hand |
| 22:30.09 | crashanddie | locutus, play cricket? |
| 22:30.11 | Macer | wtf is a paki? |
| 22:30.17 | locutus | crashanddie: no |
| 22:30.17 | Macer | like a pakistani? |
| 22:30.19 | crashanddie | Macer, pakistani |
| 22:30.22 | Macer | oh |
| 22:30.35 | Macer | i thought that was what the british called black people or something |
| 22:30.47 | crashanddie | Macer, it's a pretty non-polite word for indian/pakistani people |
| 22:30.51 | Macer | like calling a cigarette a fag |
| 22:30.53 | qwerty12_N810 | crashanddie: why the fuck am I not on there then. oh right, I be bullshit at it |
| 22:30.59 | locutus | crashanddie: it amusingly enough means "pure" literally |
| 22:31.00 | Macer | crashanddie: like calling native americans indians? |
| 22:31.09 | crashanddie | locutus, oh really? |
| 22:31.11 | Macer | locutus: lol ironic isn't it? |
| 22:31.15 | crashanddie | locutus, that's the best thing ever! |
| 22:31.22 | crashanddie | i'm going to call everyone paki now |
| 22:31.23 | Macer | pakistanis are offended when you call them pure? |
| 22:31.25 | crashanddie | unless they're a slut |
| 22:31.25 | locutus | crashanddie: 'pakistan' means 'land of the pure' as well |
| 22:31.35 | crashanddie | locutus, I did not know that |
| 22:31.50 | Macer | why are people offended then when they are called a paki? |
| 22:31.51 | locutus | crashanddie: paki == cure, stan == land |
| 22:32.03 | Macer | cure or pure? |
| 22:32.07 | crashanddie | Macer, nha, but there was this big thing in the UK because one of the princes called "a brown mate" "paki" (quoting from the press) |
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| 22:32.18 | locutus | s/cure/pure |
| 22:32.19 | locutus | typo |
| 22:32.23 | crashanddie | everyone was outraged and everything, pretty hilarious tbh |
| 22:32.27 | Macer | crashanddie: haha |
| 22:32.37 | lcuk | macer, its not the word, its the context its usually spat out at. same with any word. you can say "fuck" in polite conversation and get away with it |
| 22:32.41 | Macer | so they were outraged because the princess called someone pure? |
| 22:32.42 | Macer | :) |
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| 22:33.00 | Macer | i mean if someone called me pure i'd be flattered |
| 22:33.05 | Macer | i'm going to start calling people pure from now on |
| 22:33.16 | lcuk | its not meant as pure tho |
| 22:33.30 | Macer | lcuk: fuck is an obvious word |
| 22:33.31 | Macer | pure is not |
| 22:33.40 | Macer | i mean unless being called pure is a cultural thing :) |
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| 22:33.46 | crashanddie | Macer, it's like when a black guy calls another black guy "nigger", or when you do, the difference is when you do, you should ask yourself the following questions: is that guy a friend? is that guy going to punch me? is that guy holding a 9mm? |
| 22:33.48 | Macer | pure you bitch! |
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| 22:34.07 | Macer | yeah but calling someone pure is like calling them black :) |
| 22:34.16 | Macer | crashanddie: hahaha |
| 22:34.32 | Macer | i mean i doubt if i walked up to a pakistani in chicago and said "he's a pure" |
| 22:34.36 | Macer | that it would be a big deal :) |
| 22:34.40 | crashanddie | again |
| 22:34.43 | Macer | lol |
| 22:34.48 | lcuk | how could i make nanosleep actually stay asleep |
| 22:34.58 | Macer | wtf is nanosleep? |
| 22:35.07 | crashanddie | lcuk, while (1) nanosleep(1000) |
| 22:35.27 | lcuk | rephrases |
| 22:35.32 | lcuk | how could i make nanosleep actually stay asleep until its period is up |
| 22:35.44 | crashanddie | ? |
| 22:35.47 | crashanddie | define:period |
| 22:35.58 | lcuk | i tell it to sleep for the balance of 40ms |
| 22:36.00 | crashanddie | you mean it gets interrupts? |
| 22:36.03 | lcuk | lets say 26ms |
| 22:36.14 | lcuk | most of the time its great |
| 22:36.15 | lcuk | and works |
| 22:36.23 | lcuk | but sometimes it returns early |
| 22:36.29 | crashanddie | interrupts |
| 22:36.33 | crashanddie | means you had an event |
| 22:36.44 | crashanddie | catch it and call it again |
| 22:36.53 | crashanddie | oh |
| 22:37.01 | crashanddie | not C++ :P |
| 22:37.04 | lcuk | cant i just leave the event in the queue |
| 22:37.14 | crashanddie | nha, that's the whole point of sleep |
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| 22:38.32 | lcuk | so once there is an event in the queue nothing will stay asleep |
| 22:39.16 | crashanddie | basically, make a new function asleep(long t) { long start = microtrime(), length = 0; while((length = microtime - start) < t) sleep(length); } |
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| 22:39.37 | crashanddie | err |
| 22:39.56 | crashanddie | asleep(long t) { long start = microtrime(), length = 0; while((length = microtime - start) < t) sleep(t - length); } |
| 22:40.10 | crashanddie | you get the idea |
| 22:40.20 | lcuk | thats what i thought nanosleep was meant to do itself lol |
| 22:40.49 | johnsq | lcuk: sleeps all wakeup on signals, this is wanted you can send signals to wakeup |
| 22:40.57 | crashanddie | The nanosleep() function causes the current thread to be suspended from execution until either the time interval specified by the rqtp argument has elapsed or a signal is delivered to the calling thread and its action is to invoke a signal-catching function or to terminate the process. |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | static int __nsleep(const struct timespec *req, struct timespec *rem) |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | { |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.16 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.17 | lcuk | else |
| 22:41.19 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.21 | lcuk | } |
| 22:41.23 | lcuk | apologies for code |
| 22:41.25 | lcuk | but thats what i have now |
| 22:41.29 | lcuk | but its still returning early |
| 22:41.35 | xnt14 | wonders why the hell is the mod key not responding to m-enter but it responds to m-a argh!!! |
| 22:42.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, you're not initialising tmp_rem |
| 22:42.48 | johnsq | lcuk: while! you must loop |
| 22:42.58 | lcuk | recursion |
| 22:43.00 | crashanddie | johnsq, no he doesn't |
| 22:43.05 | lcuk | tmp_rem is initialized within |
| 22:43.10 | lcuk | not outside |
| 22:43.17 | crashanddie | lcuk, yeah, but you're not passing anything |
| 22:43.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, why use rem when it doesn't have a significant value anyway? |
| 22:43.38 | lcuk | im passing the rem result from the first call back into the second call |
| 22:43.43 | johnsq | lcuk: aua, recursion not seen |
| 22:43.54 | lcuk | rem is set if nanosleep returned early |
| 22:43.59 | lcuk | and result is set to EINTR |
| 22:44.14 | lcuk | then used in the recursive call |
| 22:44.44 | crashanddie | lcuk, so only the first call to nanosleep can populate rem? |
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| 22:45.07 | lcuk | yeah, the second call *shouldnt* touch or need it |
| 22:45.17 | crashanddie | fair enough |
| 22:45.18 | lcuk | thats only if something within that second call interupted |
| 22:45.40 | lcuk | but im seeing results way outside the timing expected |
| 22:46.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, what's the value of EINTR? |
| 22:46.33 | lcuk | dunno, tis a define buried away in headers |
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| 22:46.37 | lcuk | i never created it |
| 22:46.43 | johnsq | lcuk: I always use gettimeofday to get the remainder |
| 22:46.47 | crashanddie | lcuk, try if(nanosleep(req,rem) != -1) |
| 22:46.57 | crashanddie | err |
| 22:46.59 | crashanddie | no |
| 22:47.10 | crashanddie | lcuk, try if(nanosleep(req,rem) != 0) |
| 22:49.33 | lcuk | changed to: |
| 22:49.33 | lcuk | if(nanosleep(req,rem)==-1 && errno == EINTR) |
| 22:49.53 | crashanddie | fairy nuff |
| 22:49.54 | lcuk | sees where i went wrong with that, but it still returns early |
| 22:50.15 | crashanddie | lcuk, what value are you passing? |
| 22:50.22 | crashanddie | lcuk, does it always return early? |
| 22:50.32 | lcuk | no |
| 22:51.09 | crashanddie | lcuk, do you get a EINTR when it returns early? |
| 22:51.20 | lcuk | meant to, just checking now |
| 22:51.48 | crashanddie | this is awesome |
| 22:52.01 | crashanddie | now this is true "remote debugging" |
| 22:52.13 | crashanddie | don't even need to look at the code, modify or recompile it, just bounce ideas |
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| 22:53.32 | lcuk | 23:49:41 sleeping 61 |
| 22:53.32 | lcuk | 23:49:42 sleeping 45 |
| 22:53.33 | lcuk | 23:49:42 sleeping 59 |
| 22:53.55 | lcuk | i made it so it should only go at 10fps |
| 22:54.07 | lcuk | so it was waiting till then was up |
| 22:54.10 | lcuk | normally its fine |
| 22:54.16 | lcuk | and with debug prints it is too |
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| 22:54.23 | lcuk | cos that slows it down |
| 22:55.13 | lcuk | but sometimes at the end of a cycle it goes to 30fps :@ |
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| 22:57.06 | lcuk | sorted, from outside |
| 22:58.50 | lcuk | :D |
| 22:58.56 | lcuk | crashanddie, thanks for pointers |
| 22:59.13 | crashanddie | np |
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| 23:05.09 | Macer | welp |
| 23:05.12 | Macer | have to do it |
| 23:05.21 | Macer | have to install cygwin on the xp netbook |
| 23:05.40 | javispedro | don't, install interix and you'll have made bill gates a little happier |
| 23:06.00 | locutus | its actually faster to |
| 23:06.01 | lcuk | install android on it |
| 23:11.52 | javispedro | is -mthumb really any faster on a n8x0? |
| 23:12.25 | lcuk | depends what you are doing |
| 23:12.41 | javispedro | python itself seems compiled with -mthumb |
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| 23:13.52 | lcuk | the opcodes run at exactly the same speed i believe, however because the size of each opcode_tuple on *PC is 16bit (isntead of normal32bit) you gain by reading twice as many instructions per long |
| 23:14.17 | lcuk | obviously, with thumb you only have a very limited range of opcode params available |
| 23:14.37 | javispedro | like, no conditional adds and all that arm magic |
| 23:15.16 | lcuk | yeah, the full32bit opcodes allow all kinds of strange combinations |
| 23:15.25 | javispedro | i've already resorted to disassembling but my arm knowledge is sadly lacking |
| 23:15.41 | lcuk | what are you attempting? |
| 23:15.42 | javispedro | i didn't notice it was thumb until I saw how most opcodes were 2 bytes |
| 23:15.59 | javispedro | some random function calling breakage I got with a python extension |
| 23:16.05 | lcuk | yeah, thumb is more inline with what a "normal" compiler would be optimized towards |
| 23:16.19 | lcuk | it would take serious foo to optimally use all of arm |
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| 23:36.28 | Macer | damnit |
| 23:36.37 | Macer | i like the size of this aspireone but i hate having to charge it so often |
| 23:36.39 | Macer | it's a pain |
| 23:36.46 | Macer | i just want my touch book already :( |
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| 23:44.11 | xnt14 | modeselect maintenance slevel=6 reason="System Maintenance" |
| 23:44.15 | xnt14 | argh!!! |
| 23:44.26 | xnt14 | hates synergy now xD |
| 23:46.01 | javispedro | synergy as in "Synergy is a software application for sharing a keyboard and mouse between multiple computers." ? |
| 23:49.30 | Luke-Jr | GAN800: wtf? |
| 23:52.51 | javispedro | now I understand why every gcc's -mdo-something option has a -mdon't-do-that counterpant... they were thinking in the python extension build system |
| 23:53.05 | javispedro | s/counterpant/counterpart/ |
| 23:53.15 | javispedro | nice typo |
| 23:54.54 | javispedro | why I hate thumb |
| 23:55.12 | javispedro | compiling with -mthumb-interwork -mno-thumb makes my problem go away |
| 23:55.35 | javispedro | is there any reason thumb hates functions with > 7 args? apart from thumb hating me of course |
| 23:59.28 | javispedro | as usual, no way to reproduce in a simpler test case |