| 00:07.18 | Jaffa | http://bleb.org/software/maemo/horizon.png |
| 00:07.50 | GeneralAntilles | vomit.py |
| 00:08.15 | Jaffa | Tsk, and you haven't even seen my code yet :-p |
| 00:08.54 | GeneralAntilles | This screenshot is making me queasy |
| 00:09.02 | lcuk | jaffa, that looks amazing :) |
| 00:09.06 | GeneralAntilles | Could just be the aftereffects of surgery, though. ;) |
| 00:09.16 | GeneralAntilles | Jaff's going to bring X-Plane 1.0 to Maemo 5. |
| 00:09.39 | Jaffa | always wonders how big his wheelies are in his car ;-) |
| 00:10.07 | GeneralAntilles | Isn't that thing FWD? |
| 00:10.28 | Jaffa | Anyway, currently not planning on it being a game; just a false horizon/spirit level. |
| 00:10.57 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo's first level application for $2.99 |
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| 00:11.06 | Jaffa | Maybe even combine with gps, so it shows you things going past proporionate to your speed, and proper height too |
| 00:11.07 | GeneralAntilles | Honestly, I' |
| 00:11.30 | GeneralAntilles | d just as soon see no app store on Maemo considering that all it'll bring is 1001 shitting $0.99-$2.99 "applications" |
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| 00:30.21 | Jaffa | should go to bed |
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| 00:42.05 | radic | qwerty12_N810: good morning |
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| 01:09.08 | xnt14 | testing123 |
| 01:09.08 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 01:18.31 | auntieNeo | ohai |
| 01:18.41 | xnt14 | hi |
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| 02:05.27 | finn | I can't decide on a phone to go along with the n810 |
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| 02:06.11 | finn | which will give me internet of some sorts (probably umts via bluetooth), have long battery runtime and not make me pay for fancy camera or mp3 players |
| 02:08.51 | johnx | where are you and what carrier or are you on? |
| 02:09.34 | finn | I'm travelling at the moment (Hong Kong right now) |
| 02:09.48 | finn | I live in germany, but no idea when to go back |
| 02:09.57 | finn | don't have any phone or contracts |
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| 02:29.33 | caoticM | what is the deal with thid metalayer-crawlet that always show a 100+% load ? |
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| 02:31.08 | man_in_shack | caoticM, it's something to do with building a multimedia metadata database, i think |
| 02:31.57 | caoticM | i see , but takes a kick in the balls of my n810 processor |
| 02:32.56 | man_in_shack | yeah, i've had trouble with it too |
| 02:33.09 | man_in_shack | hence why i looked it up in apt-cache show :D |
| 02:33.19 | caoticM | just realized i am more drunk that i intended to be on monday |
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| 02:41.20 | caoticM | man_in_shack: do you use gpodder by any chance ? i think that uses the crawler |
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| 02:46.08 | man_in_shack | g-what-er? :P |
| 02:47.45 | caoticM | right so mistery solved |
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| 05:56.36 | sarower | Hello all, I want to use C++ with C. For this i am including a C++ header in a C file. When simply compiling without adding the header in the C file, it is ok. But when including the header.. it is giving the following error: |
| 05:56.53 | sarower | "TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' |
| 05:56.54 | sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function |
| 05:56.54 | sarower | " |
| 05:57.13 | sarower | Any body any idea please! |
| 05:58.04 | sarower | In file included from hello-world-home.c:25: |
| 05:58.05 | sarower | TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' |
| 05:58.05 | sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function |
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| 06:04.23 | wazd | mornin' maemo |
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| 06:21.23 | kell | how to add a drawing_area into the plugin area of input method plugin ? |
| 06:22.02 | kell | The drawing_area is a GtkWidget. |
| 06:23.59 | kell | Is there anybody who is familar with it? could you give me a tip? |
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| 06:31.26 | suihkulokki | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:42.42 | timsamoff | wants to zzz. |
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| 06:56.34 | X-Fade | timsamoff: Skipping sleep today? :) |
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| 07:18.48 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:19.47 | pupnik | moonin |
| 07:19.56 | pupnik | sept conference still a go? |
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| 07:27.58 | X-Fade | pupnik: No? It is in October? |
| 07:28.00 | X-Fade | October 9-10-11 |
| 07:28.04 | X-Fade | http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009 |
| 07:29.17 | pupnik | ahh ty |
| 07:29.27 | wazd | http://s53.radikal.ru/i141/0907/8c/80ea3e5883f8.jpg <- hehe, I'm still lovin' my logo :( |
| 07:29.36 | pupnik | it is possible to rent a house or boat for a few days |
| 07:29.48 | pupnik | might be cheaper / more fun than hotel |
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| 07:33.43 | pupnik | i need a pixel shader xpert |
| 07:34.16 | wazd | pupnik: if you'll find him - send him to me :P |
| 07:41.14 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:41.24 | pupnik | moo |
| 07:45.47 | wazd | Jaffa: heya |
| 07:46.03 | sarower | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.12 | sarower | "TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass' |
| 07:46.19 | sarower | TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function |
| 07:47.09 | sarower | In file included from hello-world-home.c:25: TestClass.h:4: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'TestClass'TestClass.h:12: warning: ISO C does not allow extra ';' outside of a function |
| 07:47.20 | sarower | any idea..? |
| 07:49.43 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 07:50.24 | Myrtti | moin |
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| 07:52.56 | radic | when I connect to an network the there are many python-instances that make a lot of load... |
| 07:54.42 | sarower | murrayc..! |
| 07:55.25 | X-Fade | sarower: I suggest you ask the question on the maemo-developers mailinglist or talk.maemo.org. |
| 07:55.31 | wazd | Stskeeps: heya |
| 07:55.54 | X-Fade | sarower: No need to keep repeating yourself, as there are obviously no people here with the answer for you. |
| 07:55.55 | sarower | X-Fade: Ok thank you |
| 07:56.15 | sarower | X-Fade: Ok i am so sorry! |
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| 07:56.26 | Andy80 | hi |
| 07:57.15 | Andy80 | has anyone of you worked with MAFW? |
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| 08:06.57 | RST38h | Moo all |
| 08:07.36 | pupnik | i didnt know you could mix c++ with c |
| 08:07.42 | pupnik | hi RST38h |
| 08:07.47 | wazd | RST38h: hooah |
| 08:07.47 | Andy80 | morning |
| 08:07.53 | RST38h | pupnik: You can, carefully. |
| 08:08.00 | RST38h | hey wazd, pupnik |
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| 08:52.57 | RST38h | yawns |
| 08:53.06 | RST38h | Anything new and exciting? |
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| 09:24.00 | lcuk | is there anyway to import a GTK glade designed interface layout and make a baseline qt project from it |
| 09:24.31 | lcuk | something that might allow creative gtk coders to not have to start completely from scratch.. |
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| 09:26.12 | RST38h | lcuk: No |
| 09:26.39 | RST38h | GTK and Qt qre completely separate entities, although there was some work on sharing the themes between two |
| 09:27.22 | lcuk | they might be seperate - but the gtk layout file says "make a window this big, put a checkbox here, a label there and a panel over here" |
| 09:28.06 | lcuk | if i can use visual basic in windows to create liq* form layouts i am damned sure someone could take the XML given out by glade and at least give a baseline template qt app out the other side |
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| 09:29.44 | RST38h | lcuk: Why don't you simply write a converter? |
| 09:29.57 | RST38h | lcuk: Shouldn't be hard to do in PERL or something similar |
| 09:30.16 | lcuk | i dont know perl and ive got my own stuff to do, i work with what i understand |
| 09:30.56 | lcuk | and as a vb developer i used the vb addins model and introspection to tell me what to create |
| 09:31.33 | wazd | damn, Michael Bay really knows homw to make things awesome :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiHsxQJ9ZOo |
| 09:32.07 | RST38h | lcuk: Actually... "Qt Designer has been tested with Glade files up to version 0.6.0 and might work with later versions as well." |
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| 09:32.17 | RST38h | lcuk: http://doc.trolltech.com/3.3/designer-manual-9.html and search for "Glade" there |
| 09:33.10 | lcuk | good, so maybe that could do with some hilighting :) if people are being made to uproot themselves, better to give themselves a familiar picture on the otherside |
| 09:35.12 | RST38h | wazd: Have you seen the classic creepy Verizon commercial though? |
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| 09:35.47 | wazd | RST38h: nope, but I'm sure it's Bay that made it awesome :) |
| 09:37.55 | RST38h | wazd: Actually, the whole commercial was animated |
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| 09:38.13 | RST38h | wazd: With a huge hairy monster chasing the customer and then hugging him |
| 09:38.37 | RST38h | Given that it was the Phone Company commercial... |
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| 10:04.09 | wazd | Oh my, Sabbath Elevator is really Epic :) |
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| 10:22.27 | sarower | When i am compiling a C file by g++ it is not working. Do any body knows....? why? |
| 10:24.37 | sarower | But if i compile by gcc it works fine! |
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| 10:27.29 | florian | hi murrayc |
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| 10:31.10 | lcuk | sarower, it helps to know what errors its throwing up, and isnt g++ the c++ compiler |
| 10:33.11 | sarower | lcuk: No error creating but not executing |
| 10:33.41 | sarower | lcuk: yes g++ is c ++ compilker |
| 10:34.11 | lcuk | tell you what :) pastebin your entire console log for building and running the app and maybe someone will post some insight |
| 10:34.45 | lcuk | since you are building with c++ doesnt it make sense the g++ would be expecting a c++ entry point instead of a generic c main() |
| 10:34.54 | lcuk | doesnt know tho |
| 10:36.44 | sarower | lcuk: yes you are right and most probably it is the problem and g++ is not getting the entry point as it is applet....for maemo |
| 10:37.39 | lcuk | why not use gcc for making your obvious c thing and forget all about g++ in this instance (unless you have overriding specific needs and which you will need to port more |
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| 10:39.12 | sarower | lcuk: cause i want to use c++ user defined class (header) and c++ things from this file. |
| 10:45.09 | lcuk | then you are going to have to readup on how to develop a c++ application and how to integrate standard c code into it |
| 10:45.39 | lcuk | its certainly not maemo specific and its fairly routine to do |
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| 10:50.19 | sarower | lcuk: Integrating C++ into C code.... |
| 10:50.42 | sarower | lcuk: not c into C++.... |
| 10:51.01 | X-Fade | lbt: ping? |
| 10:51.22 | lcuk | not directly possible i believe - UNLESS you can use shared libs - then each .so file can be written in its own language and they all use standard ld/elf entry points |
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| 10:52.27 | murrayc | What size SD cards do we need to put maemo on beagleboards? |
| 10:52.52 | Stskeeps | 1gb or so? |
| 10:53.01 | RST38h | sarower: Please remember what you promised |
| 10:53.13 | murrayc | lcuk: I think the answer for him was just "compile it as C++". He's confused. |
| 10:53.44 | lcuk | murrayc "<sarower> When i am compiling a C file by g++ it is not working. Do any body knows....? why?" |
| 10:53.45 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Cheers. |
| 10:53.52 | lcuk | and i answered that |
| 10:53.57 | murrayc | lcuk: He should probably just call it .cc instea dof .c. |
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| 10:54.10 | murrayc | lcuk: OK. Thanks. |
| 10:54.31 | Stskeeps | murrayc: going to try out the new HIM on beagleboard? |
| 10:56.08 | murrayc | No, it's not related to HIM. |
| 10:56.21 | murrayc | The beagleboards are just to play with. |
| 10:56.31 | RST38h | murrayc: The answer is "read C/C++ programming books" |
| 10:56.44 | murrayc | True. |
| 10:57.05 | Stskeeps | alright - you said you had issues with HIM in the SDK, hence my question :) |
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| 11:00.12 | murrayc | Stskeeps: The HIM library has undefined symbols right now and I get no response from the developers. |
| 11:00.31 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Well, it will have undefined symbols when you see the next version. |
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| 11:02.46 | Stskeeps | lovely |
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| 11:24.10 | timsamoff | X-Fade: Don't now when you pinged me, but... Yes, I didn't get much sleep. I've got a contract where I'm working with some developers in India. Yawn. |
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| 11:55.22 | Andy80 | timsamoff, hi |
| 11:55.31 | practisevoodoo | has anyone got the updated url string to get google sat working in maemo mapper again? |
| 11:55.52 | timsamoff | Andy80: Hello... Sorry, dealing with a grumpy little boy this morning. :) |
| 11:56.55 | Stskeeps | was the sprint meeting already btw? |
| 11:57.42 | timsamoff | Stskeeps: Not until 13:30 UTC... But, maybe not at all. |
| 11:57.49 | Andy80 | timsamoff, I'm in a tea-pause now :) |
| 11:58.12 | pupnik_ | Andy80, u german? |
| 11:58.18 | timsamoff | Andy80: That's good! :) |
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| 11:59.49 | timsamoff | Andy80: So you made it to work anyway? |
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| 12:00.08 | Andy80 | pupnik_, no, italian, working in Spain :P |
| 12:00.20 | Andy80 | timsamoff, yes, I'm here in the office |
| 12:00.31 | timsamoff | Andy80: Good to hear. |
| 12:00.35 | pupnik_ | ok, germans call it a tee-pause |
| 12:00.50 | Andy80 | didn't know it pupnik_ |
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| 12:02.29 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: idea.. since Harmattan will basically turn everything up and down - cleaning everything up, etc, talk to Nokia about higher community involvement in it? |
| 12:03.06 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: I think that is already the idea. Quim talked about more co-development etc? |
| 12:03.43 | RST38h | Did he? |
| 12:03.56 | Stskeeps | *nod* we should look into it for sure.. i mean, we are starting to mobilize quite a few people in Mer |
| 12:04.25 | Stskeeps | and it sounds like Harmattan has many of the same goals |
| 12:05.31 | X-Fade | I think we will see more about that when Fremantle finally ships. But yeah. |
| 12:05.35 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 12:05.44 | Stskeeps | work has already started though - glib 2.20 and such |
| 12:05.52 | Stskeeps | which looks a hell lot saner in harmattan |
| 12:08.20 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 12:08.31 | pupnik_ | which gcc is used? |
| 12:08.42 | Stskeeps | last i saw, gcc4? :P |
| 12:09.51 | RST38h | You know what is the most surprising part? |
| 12:09.58 | pupnik_ | k. lots of work to optimise results for arm still? |
| 12:10.09 | RST38h | oFono has not been mentioned among Fremantle components. |
| 12:10.33 | pupnik_ | hmm |
| 12:10.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: marketing secret still probably |
| 12:10.53 | RST38h | Sts: Ah come one, it is an open framework |
| 12:11.05 | RST38h | You can look at the source code straight from the CVS |
| 12:11.08 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah, i know, but implying that fremantle has it.. :P |
| 12:11.34 | RST38h | Hmmm...yes, I see... Phone functionality has never been officially announced |
| 12:12.34 | Jaffa | It's just a smaller screened, more pocketable device with lots of references in its source code to telephony & GSM. |
| 12:12.44 | Jaffa | Of *course* it's not a phone |
| 12:16.12 | Andy80 | timsamoff, what is the channel of the meeting? this or another one? |
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| 12:19.44 | Jaffa | Andy80: #maemo-meeting |
| 12:19.50 | timsamoff | Andy80 (and everyone): The meeting is held in #maemo-meeting. |
| 12:19.56 | timsamoff | Jaffa: :p |
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| 12:20.21 | Andy80 | don't know if I'll able to discuss, but I'll try to follow a bit |
| 12:20.44 | amr | there's a maemo meeting? :o |
| 12:21.22 | Andy80 | timsamoff, I think we should twitter this :D it would have more visibility |
| 12:22.52 | timsamoff | Andy80: I think it's gottenplenty of exposure. ;) |
| 12:24.08 | Andy80 | timsamoff, uhm.... you undervalue facebook+twitter ;) |
| 12:24.47 | timsamoff | Andy80: No.... I tried it before, but certain people said it wasn't even enough! :p |
| 12:25.01 | timsamoff | And, there are SO many social avenues to keep track of. |
| 12:26.22 | timsamoff | takes son to daycare. |
| 12:32.32 | Andy80 | are you sure there's enough visibility? Cannot find anything on maemo.org (home page), nor wiki :\ |
| 12:34.20 | VDVsx | Jaffa, Stskeeps , about the co-development idea, there will be some session about it in the summit: http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_Summit_2009/Submissions#Maemo_Co-Creation_Working_Session |
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| 12:35.28 | Stskeeps | mm, guess i have to show up for that |
| 12:35.40 | VDVsx | hello dneary :) |
| 12:35.49 | dneary | hello |
| 12:35.56 | dneary | VDVsx: /join #maemo-meeting? |
| 12:36.27 | VDVsx | dneary, I'm there too :) |
| 12:36.40 | Stskeeps | still wonders what to submit a talk on |
| 12:37.02 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, mer ??? :P |
| 12:37.17 | Stskeeps | well, yes, but what within ;) |
| 12:38.18 | Stskeeps | i wonder if we can present Mer 1.0 at that point really |
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| 12:39.09 | Jaffa | 's idea of "Vala for Maemo development" is kinda scuppered - not worth long term investment given its so GObject based and Qt's the future |
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| 12:41.57 | Stskeeps | yeah, i'm still pondering the long term consequences of this stuff |
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| 12:42.26 | RST38h | No long term consequences, lots of short term ones |
| 12:42.39 | Stskeeps | well long term consequences for mer, too :) |
| 12:42.44 | Stskeeps | we have qt as a first class citizen though |
| 12:42.49 | xnt14 | is at work........with his xps xD |
| 12:43.08 | RST38h | As in "will have to abandon Fremantle and start completely rewriting all apps right away" |
| 12:43.08 | xnt14 | and with an HD monitor |
| 12:43.28 | xnt14 | but these display settings are crap..... |
| 12:44.41 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 12:44.44 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man16@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 22h 34m 48s ago, saying: ':P'. |
| 12:44.50 | xnt14 | hmm... |
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| 12:51.49 | lcuk | Stskeeps, will the lesser devices suit qt upheavel or are they best remaining as gtk |
| 12:52.12 | Stskeeps | qt is fine on them |
| 12:52.20 | Stskeeps | add in maemo-launcher support and it's nice |
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| 12:59.37 | VDVsx | such a wasting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk_gDGYtaLA (the beer of course) ;) |
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| 13:02.13 | timsamoff | VDVsx: I'd still drink the beer. :p |
| 13:02.35 | VDVsx | timsamoff, ;) |
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| 13:08.34 | wazd | RST38h: http://s52.radikal.ru/i135/0907/6d/503ea215fcad.png <- check it out :) |
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| 13:13.44 | VDVsx | wazd, wazd, http://www.valeriovalerio.org/ ,ehehehe, it's CC licensed ? |
| 13:14.19 | wazd | VDVsx: you bet :) |
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| 13:23.48 | RST38h | wazd: Do I see a subliminal message there? =) |
| 13:24.05 | wazd | RST38h: hmm, no :P |
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| 13:34.12 | wazd_n800 | damn, that sucks |
| 13:36.57 | orangey | hey all |
| 13:37.12 | orangey | is there a way to make it so that only my telephone / SIP comms go through my bluetooth headset? |
| 13:37.17 | wazd_n800 | hello there |
| 13:37.21 | orangey | for example, I don't particularly want the ringer to be via the headset |
| 13:39.09 | wazd_n800 | emmm..., guys, who has omweather near right now? |
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| 13:41.03 | orangey | I do |
| 13:41.18 | wazd_ | ok, expecting screaming OMWeather users on t.m.o. in 10 minutes :) |
| 13:41.26 | wazd_ | orangey: try to upload the weather |
| 13:41.35 | orangey | upload? |
| 13:41.39 | orangey | what do you mean by that? |
| 13:41.43 | wazd_ | orangey: er, refresh |
| 13:41.46 | orangey | OK. |
| 13:41.47 | wazd_ | orangey: sorry :) |
| 13:42.03 | wazd_ | looks like OMW is down :( |
| 13:42.05 | orangey | "Did not download weather" |
| 13:42.24 | orangey | it's been down a few hours |
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| 13:49.01 | wazd_ | Vlad is trying to figure out what's wrong right now |
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| 13:55.47 | xnt14 | wonders how to parse xml from bash....... |
| 13:56.01 | Stskeeps | SAX maybe |
| 13:56.13 | xnt14 | googles SAX |
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| 13:58.04 | xnt14 | hmm |
| 13:58.53 | xnt14 | okay...? wtf? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=CZB&q=using+SAX+in+bash&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 13:58.54 | Jaffa | doesn't fancy writing a content handler in bash! |
| 13:59.10 | Jaffa | xnt14: xalan to pull out specific xpath entries? |
| 13:59.27 | xnt14 | jaffa, well, I would be happy if the dreamhost api gave output in other formats.... |
| 13:59.32 | xnt14 | xalan? |
| 13:59.34 | xnt14 | googles |
| 14:00.01 | xnt14 | um guys, I need bash :P |
| 14:00.07 | xnt14 | bash compatible |
| 14:00.46 | finn | reformated the sd card again and I still get the no filesystem available error :( |
| 14:01.03 | wazd_ | damn, weather.com sucks |
| 14:01.40 | xnt14 | well the dh api has json output...... |
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| 14:02.03 | xnt14 | http://wiki.dreamhost.com/API#What_values_does_DreamHost.27s_API_use.3F |
| 14:02.15 | xnt14 | json,perl,xml.... |
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| 14:04.53 | wazd_ | ok, fix is comming, don't pannic :) |
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| 14:09.29 | Jaffa | xnt14: Run xalan from within bash, capture its output. But you've said "parse XML", when what you probably want to do is something with the XML, once parsed. |
| 14:11.47 | xnt14 | basically I want to take the output of the dreamhost api domains list command and display it in the zenity list view, then I want to take the output of the clicked item and open another window showing the available actions |
| 14:11.54 | xnt14 | tries that |
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| 14:17.21 | xnt14 | heres my code right now: http://xceleo.org/pastes/sitetool_noapi |
| 14:17.30 | xnt14 | i changed the api key to the test one |
| 14:17.44 | xnt14 | "If you would like to test the DreamHost API without having your own account, you may use the API Key 6SHU5P2HLDAYECUM" ~dh wiki |
| 14:18.26 | GAN800 | dneary, don't look at is as an attack on the people, but an attack on Nokia's continued incompetence. ;) |
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| 14:18.53 | dneary | GAN800: See, it's an attack on the Nokia people's continued incompetence |
| 14:19.05 | dneary | GAN800: And that's what I hope people can understand |
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| 14:19.21 | dneary | It's like people who attack Novell & Mono - this affects the Novell & mono team |
| 14:19.30 | GAN800 | Nokia should have alotted more time and resources to making sure it was good, they didn't, this is the response. |
| 14:19.31 | dneary | It's not just technical criticism |
| 14:19.43 | GAN800 | Users are like that. |
| 14:20.00 | dneary | I'd've loved someone to say "this is a great document, and it's great that we have it, and I'm glad I have a chance to make it better" |
| 14:20.10 | dneary | GAN800: Communities aren't |
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| 14:21.39 | GAN800 | dneary, Talk is mostly composed of users, though. |
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| 14:22.18 | dneary | GAN800: If that were true, the people who are working really really hard to try to make the community happy wouldn't be reading it |
| 14:22.37 | dneary | GAN800: The issue is getting Talk community members to consider that they're hurting people's feelings |
| 14:22.44 | GAN800 | Ha |
| 14:22.48 | GAN800 | Good luck |
| 14:22.51 | dneary | The reaction may be "awww, poor baby, his feelings were hurt" |
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| 14:23.13 | GAN800 | Really, I'm the last person you ever want to bring THAT up to. :) |
| 14:23.38 | dneary | but the reality is, when people are working 60 to 80 hours a week to get things like the HIG out on top of all the other work they have to do, and "this is shit" is the reaction, that's disheartening |
| 14:23.38 | RST38h | dneary: I do not see any real efforts to make community happy |
| 14:23.56 | RST38h | dneary: right now the whole thing starts looking like a pr cluster fuck |
| 14:24.37 | dneary | RST38h: That's your opinion, and I respect it. Right now, I just want everyone on Talk to have a little respect for my friends actually doing the work |
| 14:24.45 | VDVsx | GAN800, I would say for tmo: 80% users and 20% dev's |
| 14:24.46 | RST38h | dneary: trying to ignore this unfortunate fact isn't going to change it |
| 14:25.23 | dneary | I will note that the one guy who said "I'll do it all, don't worry" did nothing |
| 14:25.36 | RST38h | dneary: That's your wish, and I respect it :) You won't be able to get the same respect from the Anonymous though. |
| 14:26.26 | RST38h | dneary: Can I suggest something? A minimal effort, really, but one that will win respect back for Maemo team? |
| 14:26.34 | orangey | has anybody gotten ko/pi working on maemo? |
| 14:27.25 | wazd_ | am I missing something while doing things?) |
| 14:27.50 | RST38h | wazd: Ah, nothing, just a bit more forum politics... |
| 14:28.27 | GAN800 | dneary, be happy they've managed to stick to attacking their work and not them as people. :) |
| 14:28.52 | dneary | RST38h: We lost respect? |
| 14:29.08 | RST38h | dneary: Yes. In my opinion of course. |
| 14:29.12 | dneary | RST38h: Make your suggestion. The worst that happen will be that I disagree with you |
| 14:29.19 | RST38h | GAN: That would be too low |
| 14:29.30 | wazd_ | RST38h: can you give me a link, I need something to read while coffee break :) |
| 14:29.37 | RST38h | dneary: You will simply ignore it, as always, but I will try |
| 14:29.51 | RST38h | wazd: Any of the "Where is Nokia" threads |
| 14:30.25 | wazd_ | RST38h: oh, I don't read those :) |
| 14:30.26 | RST38h | dneary: Start releasing small updates to Diablo backend packages to Extras-Devel |
| 14:30.32 | X-Fade | Community work is like caring for a wounded animal, even though you try to do good, you still get scratched and bitten ;) |
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| 14:30.41 | RST38h | dneary: camel, bluez, that kind of things |
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| 14:31.15 | RST38h | X-Fade: Only if you are holding it the wrong way =) |
| 14:31.21 | dneary | RST38h: If I disagree with you, I will say "I disagree with you", that's not ignoring you |
| 14:31.22 | VDVsx | upgrade bluez in diablo == fuck all the bluez app around :P |
| 14:31.29 | VDVsx | *apps |
| 14:31.33 | X-Fade | RST38h: We(maemo.org) are talking with Nokia about taking over care of diablo after Fremantle gets out. |
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| 14:31.55 | RST38h | X-Fade: The actuall updates better start right now. |
| 14:31.57 | dneary | RST38h: That's a good idea. In fact, I'd love to see someone from outside the Maemo team take over a patckage they care about |
| 14:32.00 | X-Fade | RST38h: We can then do SSUs to update these things. |
| 14:32.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: I agree with you, but that is just not possible. |
| 14:32.14 | RST38h | X-Fade: just push out whatever bug fixes have not been released uet. |
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| 14:32.24 | RST38h | X-Fade: Why is that impossible? |
| 14:32.28 | dneary | RST38h: I don't have the skills to do that, but it's a good idea. You should propose it in Bugzilla or Ideastorm |
| 14:32.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: There is just nobody available for it. |
| 14:32.48 | RST38h | X-Fade: Nokia has got the packages, the fixes are already done, why not package and release? |
| 14:33.03 | coldboot | How do you get findutils installed on scratchbox's arm target? |
| 14:33.08 | coldboot | It's not in diablo... |
| 14:33.21 | Stskeeps | most things are already out there but someone needs to sit down and do it |
| 14:33.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: This does nto require significant time |
| 14:33.39 | RST38h | X-Fade: So, I hardly believe nobody can do it |
| 14:33.41 | X-Fade | RST38h: We need to get Nokia to push our key through SSU one time. |
| 14:33.57 | X-Fade | RST38h: After that, we should be able to push updates ourselves. |
| 14:33.59 | Stskeeps | RST38h: whole community variant thing does take significant logistics |
| 14:34.12 | coldboot | I was able to download an x86 version, but the arm version says it's not compatible with "armel", and forcing it to install just says it can't find `/lib/ld-linux.so.2' |
| 14:34.13 | RST38h | X-Fade: But I am not talking about the whole community dev thing |
| 14:34.20 | Jaffa | X-Fade: did Nokia say they'd be happy to do that? I remember you saying it was discussed at the mozmae weekend |
| 14:34.21 | X-Fade | RST38h: But that needs a lot of planning with lawyers, integration etc. |
| 14:34.31 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am talking about releasing updates to the packages Nokia already has, fixed |
| 14:34.36 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yes, they are. |
| 14:34.46 | RST38h | X-Fade: No lawyers or integration involved |
| 14:34.47 | X-Fade | Jaffa: But also only after Fremantle is out. |
| 14:34.48 | Stskeeps | RST38h: only possible through ssu |
| 14:35.09 | RST38h | Sts: SSU is nothing more than a bunch of DEBs now, isn't it? |
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| 14:35.18 | X-Fade | RST38h: That is not true. |
| 14:35.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yeah but there's trusted domains and such |
| 14:35.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: It is a meta package with specific dependencies. |
| 14:35.49 | X-Fade | RST38h: To update the metapackage, we need to be the trusted party. |
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| 14:36.15 | X-Fade | And updating a random system package without it, will break SSU. |
| 14:36.40 | GnutOnMobile | Hi |
| 14:36.49 | Jaffa | RST38h: The App Mgr won't install any SSU packages from extras-devel without flipping some bits in one of its configuration files. |
| 14:37.14 | Jaffa | RST38h: So, ideally, Nokia would push out an SSU which would flip those bits. Alternatively, we could create a package which users would have to install to get community updates. |
| 14:37.24 | Stskeeps | RST38h: community updates will come, eventually. the know how and people exist, but noone sane would do it in their free time |
| 14:37.37 | Stskeeps | way too big logistics involved |
| 14:37.39 | Jaffa | RST38h: Your assistance is welcome, since this is entirely community (i.e. volunteer) driven - and there's a technical plan on the maemo-developers mailing list |
| 14:38.01 | Stskeeps | we have most of the path laid already |
| 14:38.19 | RST38h | Jaffa: Sorry, this is not the immediate problem I have been trying to address with the proposal to dneary |
| 14:38.41 | RST38h | Jaffa: The immediate problem is to show that the Maemo Devices actually *cares* about its users |
| 14:38.47 | Jaffa | RST38h: I thought you wanted updates to existing packages pushed out? |
| 14:38.58 | dneary | RST38h: I disagree with your premise. I like your idea. I disagree with the benefit of the end result. |
| 14:39.05 | Jaffa | RST38h: Right, but there's not much dneary can do about that since he works for maemo.org, not Maemo Devices |
| 14:39.06 | RST38h | Jaffa: And the minimal-effort solution to this problem is to continue pushing out Diablo updates every now and then |
| 14:39.26 | X-Fade | RST38h: That effort is not as minimal as you think. |
| 14:39.30 | Jaffa | RST38h: I don't think anyone here disagrees that that would be good. See above for the obstacles to any of us doing it. |
| 14:39.40 | RST38h | Jaffa: Then he should not complain about the tone of t.m.o becoming hostile. |
| 14:39.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: That includes certification, testing, doc updates etc etc. |
| 14:39.52 | Jaffa | If you think installing an extra package would be fine, and/or want to work & test that, I'd be very happy. |
| 14:40.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: Let me see |
| 14:40.12 | GAN800 | dneary, my own suggestion is for more of these people to come out in the community if they need help. |
| 14:40.16 | RST38h | X-Fade: Doc updates - none, as long as we are talking about the backend |
| 14:40.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: Testing - Extras-Devel will do it for you |
| 14:40.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sdk updates, docs need to be regenerated. |
| 14:41.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: Certification - not unless the code has anything to do with the RF part, and even there is it doubtful |
| 14:41.02 | Stskeeps | RST38h: can't update a package from device through e-d |
| 14:41.07 | Jaffa | agrees with GAN800 in his assessment. Nothing against the people involved, but it's been put out - by Nokia - as the Fremantle HIG; and it's unfinished and been under-resourced. |
| 14:41.43 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Fremantle HIG beta. |
| 14:41.53 | RST38h | Sts: I can't install a new bluez with dpkg? |
| 14:41.57 | RST38h | Sts: Or a new camel? |
| 14:42.13 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, that will break your SSU. |
| 14:42.24 | coldboot | Does anyone know how to install findutils in scratchbox for armel? It's essential for building Qt... |
| 14:42.27 | qwerty12_N810 | This repo has to be signed with a Nokia key? The way I see it is that you add any signed repo with a trust-level of 400. |
| 14:42.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: sure you can, but you can't assume a user would be able to.. |
| 14:42.29 | VDVsx | rsalveti, and your bluetooth system |
| 14:42.38 | VDVsx | ups RST38h ^^ |
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| 14:42.49 | RST38h | Sts: That is ok, as we are talking about a bunch of power users from tmo |
| 14:42.55 | Jaffa | X-Fade: OK, true. |
| 14:43.07 | GAN800 | RST38h, don't mix issues. |
| 14:43.07 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: But you can't write to these settings? |
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| 14:43.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: packages already exists, just not compiled |
| 14:43.24 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: That's correct. And there's already a maemo.org key in there (AIUI). So, it's just a case of increasing maemo.org extras' trust-level. |
| 14:43.26 | GAN800 | Fremantle HIG, Diablo updates, and maemo.org staff are separate things. |
| 14:43.29 | RST38h | Sts: Then why not compile and release? |
| 14:43.36 | Jaffa | X-Fade: We can. We just need to install a package to do it. |
| 14:43.51 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Nokia does it by installing a plan package that uses hildon-application-manager-config to add this repo |
| 14:43.53 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Yeah, but that needs manual instal of the package. |
| 14:43.55 | Stskeeps | RST38h: see it the other way, why dont the power users? |
| 14:44.04 | qwerty12_N810 | s/plan/plain/ |
| 14:44.08 | Stskeeps | it's all out thered |
| 14:44.14 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Yeah. We could, if we knew it was coming down the line, prepare and test that package, though. |
| 14:44.16 | Stskeeps | public svn |
| 14:44.43 | RST38h | Sts: Because all the "normal" users must have forgotten about their N810s already =) |
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| 14:44.51 | X-Fade | Jaffa: I wouldn't mind testing that. |
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| 14:45.22 | RST38h | Sts: And if a normal user does want to install experimental updates there are power users to help |
| 14:45.35 | qwerty12_N810 | Personally, I wouldn't want Extras to be the SSU repo. Another server on maemo.org, certainly, but Extras can be like a nuclear warhead testing ground. |
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| 14:45.46 | qwerty12_N810 | s/server/repo |
| 14:45.46 | Jaffa | X-Fade: WHich is why I was inviting RST38h to help us out ;-) |
| 14:46.01 | Stskeeps | what is the problem with a e-d package or .install that installs a repo and key anyway? |
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| 14:46.05 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: true, Extras already exists tho' |
| 14:46.10 | Stskeeps | e, i mean |
| 14:46.11 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: yeah, we could use a separate component for it. |
| 14:46.15 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Nothing. It'll work. It's just not "seamless" |
| 14:46.26 | Jaffa | Which means that most users will miss out. |
| 14:46.44 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: free non-free community-firmware-updates :) |
| 14:46.54 | Jaffa | But if we're going to get some assistance from Nokia, doing all the work now and testing it so it's seamless post-Nokia'-shelp would be sensible. |
| 14:46.55 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, but they can discover maemo.org then.. |
| 14:47.00 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: That has a nice ring to it :) |
| 14:47.14 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: nice and short too :) |
| 14:47.54 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: when we have the non seamless working its easier to convince nokia to add as a ssus |
| 14:47.57 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 14:49.19 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: agreed 100% |
| 14:49.35 | Stskeeps | i'm kinda tired of people demanding a house instead of taking a shovel, find some friends and materials and build a house.. |
| 14:49.37 | Jaffa | So, if Nokia's on board (although I've only got X-Fade's word for that ;-)), I suggest we think about steaming ahead |
| 14:49.59 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Stskeeps was in the meeting too ;) |
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| 14:50.42 | Jaffa | X-Fade: still, I'd like to see something from Nokia on the maemo-developers thread (although your word is good enough, I'd like to have a stick for future use if necessary ;-)) |
| 14:50.43 | Stskeeps | same thing needed for mer as with maemo, so yeah |
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| 14:50.51 | RST38h | Sts: Building houses on somebody else's land has proven to be unreliable over years |
| 14:51.11 | Stskeeps | RST38h: nokia isn't apple |
| 14:51.24 | RST38h | Sts: Have I mentioned Apple? =) |
| 14:51.39 | timsamoff | Jaffa: Did the meeting commence? Is it over? |
| 14:51.49 | X-Fade | timsamoff: You missed it. |
| 14:52.02 | timsamoff | X-Fade: thought so... Thanks./ |
| 14:52.14 | X-Fade | timsamoff: Will put up a log asap. |
| 14:52.51 | timsamoff | It's all right... I was just wondering. ;) |
| 14:53.12 | Stskeeps | no, but it is a fair comparison. maemo is fertile ground and iphoneos tries actively to remove any community hacks.. |
| 14:56.30 | Stskeeps | we'd be in a lot different situation if we actively built houses in the community :P |
| 14:57.02 | X-Fade | More do-ers, less talkers.. |
| 14:57.34 | Stskeeps | indeed |
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| 15:03.35 | xnt14 | gets bored |
| 15:03.40 | xnt14 | plays nexuiz |
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| 15:04.04 | xnt14 | well first I need to compile it from svn :P |
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| 15:06.15 | coldboot | Why does Maemo use busybox? |
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| 15:08.00 | nomis | coldboot: why not? |
| 15:08.11 | coldboot | It's missing a bunch of things like a decent version of find. |
| 15:08.18 | pupnik | it is small |
| 15:08.31 | RST38h | you can install find |
| 15:08.37 | coldboot | Where do you get it? |
| 15:08.41 | pupnik | and bsd vi |
| 15:08.54 | pupnik | console-* ? |
| 15:09.11 | coldboot | pupnik: What repository is findutils in? |
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| 15:09.44 | xnt14 | brb, going to my friend's business....xD |
| 15:10.26 | coldboot | findutils is not in any of these repositories: http://pastie.org/537160 |
| 15:10.54 | qwerty12_N810 | You say you've got a scratchbox ;) |
| 15:11.07 | andre__ | maybe nobody has packaged it yet? :-P |
| 15:11.18 | coldboot | This is one of the big things about scratchbox that sucks. |
| 15:11.27 | andre__ | what? |
| 15:11.48 | coldboot | Rather, the maemo repositories, they're missing things like 'find'. |
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| 15:13.06 | pupnik | i have find on tablet |
| 15:13.26 | pupnik | no idea where it came from |
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| 15:13.48 | coldboot | pupnik: What repositories do you have on the tablet? |
| 15:13.56 | coldboot | pupnik: cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:14.10 | andre__ | maybe sth like coreutils? shrug |
| 15:14.50 | coldboot | Nope, I have that installed and I don't have find. |
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| 15:15.11 | pupnik | sec |
| 15:15.47 | qwerty12_N810 | I replaced busybox's coreutils with the real coreutils on the device and I'd get "ls -la", amongst others, giving me segfaults :( |
| 15:16.32 | coldboot | I don't know why they chose to make the primary drive for these stupid devices 256mb. |
| 15:16.41 | coldboot | If they didn't, we wouldn't be using crappy busybox. |
| 15:17.20 | pupnik | sorry no, my find is from busybox |
| 15:17.32 | X-Fade | coldboot: It is not only that. RAM usage is also a lot lower. |
| 15:17.39 | Stskeeps | coldboot: nah, that's not the reason |
| 15:18.15 | coldboot | Stskeeps: Why, then? |
| 15:18.20 | pupnik | coldboot, set up a system partition on sd card and go crazy |
| 15:18.42 | coldboot | I've already installed findutils from source, I'm just saying. |
| 15:18.47 | Stskeeps | legacy, and 770 |
| 15:19.17 | pupnik | /dev/mtdblock4 255488 211612 43876 83% doin ok here |
| 15:19.30 | Stskeeps | coreutils add 4m flash |
| 15:19.40 | Stskeeps | with bash included, and dash |
| 15:20.12 | Stskeeps | after docpurge and stuff |
| 15:22.44 | pupnik | i am like the grim reaper in /usr/share |
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| 15:27.28 | Stskeeps | wb brankinhu |
| 15:27.45 | wazd_ | Gmail Finally Comes Out of Beta |
| 15:27.49 | brankinhu | Stskeeps: ?? |
| 15:27.50 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 15:27.51 | Stskeeps | brankinhu: nm :P |
| 15:28.09 | coldboot | Seems like Microsoft has the opposite philosophy. |
| 15:29.20 | brankinhu | Stskeeps: what is wb and nm? ò.à |
| 15:29.28 | Stskeeps | brankinhu: welcome back, and never mind.. |
| 15:29.28 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:34.30 | wazd_ | I need food :) |
| 15:35.17 | Stskeeps | i just ordered pizza |
| 15:35.42 | wazd_ | I think I'm gonna visit McD again) |
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| 15:36.37 | wazd_ | oh no, I can't get out, OMWeather isn't working, I can't see current temperature( |
| 15:37.26 | GAN800 | wazd_, too much McDonald's is bad for you. |
| 15:40.15 | wazd_ | GAN800: i know :( |
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| 15:50.53 | wazd_ | VDVsx: OMG, bluemaemo started to work :D |
| 15:51.19 | VDVsx | wazd_, lol |
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| 15:52.03 | wazd_ | GAN800: see, McD is not always bad :D |
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| 15:59.15 | wazd_ | the only thing I have to say for this is "What the fuck?!" |
| 15:59.36 | qwerty12_N810 | MS Bluetooth stack sucks balls |
| 16:00.07 | wazd_ | qwerty12_N810: well, it works fine but UI is really awful |
| 16:01.05 | qwerty12_N810 | I hated it; even on a Pocket PC I preferred Broadcomm's offering. In XP, I'm free of the MS one but Broadcomm's one for Vista just extends the MS one :( |
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| 17:17.27 | lbt | X-Fade: hi... I want to automatically update wiki pages using a local script... any suggestions? eg: http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Mer/Packages/Maemo:Mer:Devel:Apps |
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| 17:30.56 | RST38h | reMoo all |
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| 17:54.14 | Stskeeps | ponders idly what insanity has hit the pope |
| 17:54.37 | Stskeeps | (re http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/world/europe/08pope.html?ref=global-home ) |
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| 17:55.18 | RST38h | Sts: Ran out of blood maybe? |
| 17:55.56 | wazd_ | Pope Benedict XVI on Tuesday called for a radical rethinking of the global economy |
| 17:56.05 | wazd_ | Pope = captain Obvious :) |
| 17:56.25 | wazd_ | Very slow version of him :D |
| 17:56.48 | Stskeeps | being from a religious background (not so much anymore), i think it's rather absurd the pope, of all people, suggests a world political authority (revelations) .. and for money, too (revelations) |
| 17:56.50 | aquatix | :) |
| 17:56.52 | Stskeeps | i mean.. wtf |
| 17:56.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:59.57 | RST38h | Sts: http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php?opr=ShowDetails&ID=37941 =) |
| 18:00.05 | RST38h | (sorry, couldn't find a better source) |
| 18:00.33 | pupnik | i still sometimes am amazed by the n810. imagining a world without it |
| 18:00.42 | Stskeeps | RST38h: hehe |
| 18:00.47 | wazd_ | RST38h: what the hell is that :D |
| 18:01.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i just think that guy is really trying hard to be called the antichrist or something.. |
| 18:01.08 | RST38h | wazd: Apparently, the Pope carries a briefcase of fresh blood everywhere he goes |
| 18:01.43 | RST38h | Sts: Somehow, I suspect that after he played the Emperor in the StarWars he should no longer care about Antichrist analogies... |
| 18:02.05 | Stskeeps | shakes his head |
| 18:03.24 | Stskeeps | right, so the world went to hell while i was on music festival, good to know |
| 18:03.33 | RST38h | What happened? |
| 18:03.52 | RST38h | I thought the next apocalypsis is due in August, as usual? |
| 18:03.58 | Stskeeps | ah, yes, pandora release? ;) |
| 18:04.08 | RST38h | Really? No way? |
| 18:04.27 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: nowai it wiould be released in August |
| 18:04.38 | Stskeeps | no idea, shouldn't surprise me it would align close with the apocalypse |
| 18:05.02 | Stskeeps | http://whenisthepandoracoming.wut.bz/ is excellent. |
| 18:05.06 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: Maya predicted Pandora release, it would be in 2012 :) |
| 18:05.12 | Stskeeps | (refresh it) |
| 18:05.38 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: ahahaha :) awesome :D |
| 18:05.45 | Stskeeps | what is people's obsession with Angstrom anyway? |
| 18:05.48 | wazd_ | Stskeeps: a bit cruel though :) |
| 18:06.20 | Stskeeps | wazd_: carrot in front of your eyes, on a stick.. |
| 18:06.21 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:06.41 | pupnik | i have no obsession. i wish the maemo/gentoo-arm/android/angstrom folks would merge like borg and kill WinCE |
| 18:06.49 | [slonopotamus] | :/ |
| 18:07.07 | pupnik | hmm. maybe i do have obsession |
| 18:07.20 | Stskeeps | pupnik: every mobile distribution without sufficient central control will diverge towards using enlightement, and then dying slowly from the use of it |
| 18:07.59 | pupnik | Stskeeps, wish i could torrent dl your knowledge of the scene |
| 18:08.20 | Stskeeps | pupnik: nah, it'd just make you want to kill people |
| 18:08.20 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:08.37 | rkirti | Stskeeps: Angstrom does rock :) |
| 18:08.37 | pupnik | touche |
| 18:09.07 | Stskeeps | rkirti: from developer point of view, or user? :P |
| 18:09.51 | rkirti | Stskeeps: ah, /me not developing on it. For a user it does. |
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| 18:33.32 | ENTERANICK | :) |
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| 18:33.37 | ENTERANICK | nice |
| 18:33.39 | ENTERANICK | it works |
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| 18:35.01 | Stskeeps | if that's you b-man, you need to be beaten, really |
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| 20:19.32 | Guest1030_800 | any complete tutorial for run a ''virtual'' complete n810 fully fonctionnal and operationnal on my ubuntu pc? |
| 20:20.07 | Guest1030_800 | if this think its possible |
| 20:20.33 | woglinde | you mean the image with full scratchbox enviroment? |
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| 20:21.27 | Guest1030_800 | no i mean a full operationnal tablet but on my pc |
| 20:21.35 | Guest1030_800 | for use like a real one but on my pc |
| 20:21.42 | Guest1030_800 | i dont know if its really possible |
| 20:21.49 | Guest1030_800 | but i try to find a way for |
| 20:22.31 | woglinde | yeah thats what scratchbox can do |
| 20:22.40 | Guest1030_800 | ok |
| 20:22.53 | Guest1030_800 | so i installed all sb, sdk and xephyr |
| 20:23.11 | Guest1030_800 | but what i make after for run a complete ''virtual'' tablet in it |
| 20:23.25 | woglinde | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/index.html |
| 20:23.36 | woglinde | why you need this? |
| 20:23.44 | woglinde | try to emulate it with qemu |
| 20:24.14 | woglinde | http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2008/08/01/nokia-n8x0-emulation-part-ii/ |
| 20:24.55 | Guest1030_800 | i just want a run a full tablet on my pc simply |
| 20:26.02 | woglinde | args you mean you want to run full maemo? |
| 20:26.47 | Guest1030_800 | yes |
| 20:26.53 | Guest1030_800 | its possible?? |
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| 20:28.03 | woglinde | dont know |
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| 20:28.19 | Guest1030_800 | ok |
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| 20:58.25 | lbt | what roles are sponsored by the maemo community? Eg docmaster |
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| 21:05.14 | Jaffa | lbt: docmaster, bugmaster, webmaster & debmaster |
| 21:05.24 | Jaffa | lbt: dneary, andre, X-Fade and jeremiah |
| 21:05.41 | lbt | ta :) |
| 21:05.58 | Jaffa | Additional work is contracted out to companies like Nemein to work on the maemo.org website (e.g. bergie) |
| 21:06.17 | lbt | was thinking about what we need as a community |
| 21:06.25 | lbt | what we lack that is |
| 21:06.42 | lbt | and flashmaster sprang to mind |
| 21:06.57 | Jaffa | beds on that thought. |
| 21:07.05 | lbt | a graphic designer |
| 21:07.18 | lbt | 'night |
| 21:07.27 | Stskeeps | flashmaster? maemo.org flashmobs?;) |
| 21:07.32 | lbt | heh |
| 21:07.53 | lbt | Jamie said |
| 21:07.57 | lbt | Oh and can I say, HUGE potential in harvesting open source developers |
| 21:07.58 | lbt | to develop for Nokia in QT for not only Internet Tablets but Phones too! |
| 21:08.09 | lbt | and I thought ... "yeah but it'll look crap" |
| 21:08.46 | lbt | look at what benefits we get from having a graphics guy on Mer |
| 21:08.51 | Stskeeps | the artists exist in the community but noone to manage them |
| 21:09.03 | lbt | wondered about sponsoring him ... and yes harnessing |
| 21:16.15 | RST38h | lbt: Can't get people to develop for a platform that completely changes with each new release though |
| 21:16.33 | lbt | sure you can... look at windows |
| 21:16.45 | RST38h | lbt: Windows does not change with each new release |
| 21:16.58 | lbt | it goes blue regularly |
| 21:17.00 | RST38h | My Win 3.1 code still runs in XP with minnor changes |
| 21:17.31 | RST38h | and how is this related with platform APIs changing? |
| 21:17.57 | lbt | dunno? I was talking about graphics... you? |
| 21:18.21 | RST38h | I was talking about that huge harvesting potential =) |
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| 21:18.55 | lbt | ah, gotcha |
| 21:19.21 | javispedro | the autobuilder IS slow, how's the machine? |
| 21:20.08 | Proteous | slowwwww |
| 21:20.42 | lcuk | its not slow, it just starts from scratch each time |
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| 21:20.52 | lcuk | you have overclocked your expectations |
| 21:21.23 | javispedro | it IS slow too |
| 21:21.27 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 21:21.51 | lbt | night RST38h |
| 21:22.33 | javispedro | now the world is going to end because omweather will not get pushed soon enough |
| 21:22.51 | lbt | omweather... hmmm |
| 21:23.08 | javispedro | and all because it's going to spend 2 hours to build dosbox. my fault |
| 21:23.17 | Proteous | if you don't have the weather you don't have anything |
| 21:24.14 | lbt | ah yes... depends on closed liblocation-dev |
| 21:24.41 | javispedro | if omweather is not fixed, at the current rates, tmo will get more posts about omweather than about qt |
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| 21:24.47 | javispedro | so guess which one is more important to the community :D |
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| 21:34.14 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/remoteaccess/ :) |
| 21:34.23 | xnt14 | oh crap wrong tab.... |
| 21:34.25 | xnt14 | ah well |
| 21:34.34 | xnt14 | it is password protected :P |
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| 22:16.40 | practisevoodoo | sorry guys im suffering a brain failure atm, what's the name of that video converter for maemo, the non-nokia one? |
| 22:17.08 | practisevoodoo | ah got it |
| 22:18.09 | nomis | practisevoodoo: tabletencode? |
| 22:18.37 | practisevoodoo | i was after this one http://xoomer.virgilio.it/sepaolo/n800vc/ |
| 22:18.52 | nomis | ah. |
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| 22:21.30 | javispedro | working omweather is on extras-devel! world is saved! |
| 22:21.53 | javispedro | yes! lower temperatures for tomorrow! |
| 22:22.58 | qwerty12_N810 | I don't need me an applet to tell me the lovely weather England has :D |
| 22:24.22 | javispedro | It's also a fine source of entertainment, specially for >4 day forecasts |
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| 22:25.01 | javispedro | erm |
| 22:25.20 | javispedro | seems the version is still not in good shape |
| 22:25.43 | javispedro | forecast for sunday = "heavy 0% precipitation" |
| 22:26.57 | javispedro | and 0% relative humidity... I guess I'd better stay home |
| 22:28.39 | javispedro | "weather data provided by (null)" yes, something is fishy |
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| 23:23.24 | xnt14[work] | goes home |
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| 23:41.41 | andrea | upgrading from bora to diablo... Is it possible with a dist-upgrade or is it crazy? :-) |
| 23:43.58 | b0unc3 | andrea: impossible |
| 23:44.08 | andrea | :] |
| 23:44.34 | andrea | what should be the correct way? Reflashing to os2008? |
| 23:44.48 | b0unc3 | yes, I think so |
| 23:45.32 | b0unc3 | andrea: ma sei italiano ? |
| 23:45.44 | andrea | b0unc3: sì! :D |
| 23:45.49 | b0unc3 | ottimo :) |
| 23:45.54 | andrea | alla faccia:) |
| 23:46.15 | andrea | b0unc3: il problema è omweather: la nuova versione è per diablo :-))) |
| 23:46.36 | andrea | non so se hanno intenzione di farne una anche per il vecchio bora |
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| 23:48.07 | javispedro | this reminds me. why is there not a autobuilder for the latest OS the N770 has access to? |
| 23:48.52 | javispedro | s/N770/770/ |
| 23:50.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Technically, if we're talking latest (os2008he), there is the chinook one :) |
| 23:51.38 | qwerty12_N810 | But http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/39352?do=post_view_flat didn't sound like it went far |
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