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| 00:12.16 | daniel32708 | guys, it would be so cool to have multi-usser support, with a login screen and stuff |
| 00:12.38 | daniel32708 | it shouldnt be that hard to achieve |
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| 00:14.04 | daniel32708 | what do u think? |
| 00:14.13 | LinuxCode | go on then, make one |
| 00:14.37 | daniel32708 | lol |
| 00:14.42 | daniel32708 | i am not a hacker |
| 00:14.44 | daniel32708 | i wish i were |
| 00:15.02 | LinuxCode | then become one and then make one |
| 00:15.24 | daniel32708 | has anyone tried it? or is it planned? |
| 00:15.33 | LinuxCode | glares at GA |
| 00:16.57 | daniel32708 | also, is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card? the internal memory aint that much |
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| 00:20.54 | caoticM | what shell does the n810 uses ? |
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| 00:22.39 | qwerty12_N810 | It says "BusyBox v1.6.1 (2008-09-18 09:43:17 EEST) Built-in shell (ash)" at right at the top when you open a terminal... |
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| 00:23.45 | caoticM | this is embarassing :p |
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| 00:26.18 | daniel32708 | is it possible to install stuff in the external sd card? the internal memory aint that much |
| 00:26.26 | daniel32708 | software, etc |
| 00:26.59 | daniel32708 | if yes, how? if not, why? |
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| 00:31.26 | crashanddie | daniel32708, you can install the root on the sd card |
| 00:35.09 | caoticM | daniel32708: dirty trick, play with ln links and instalation directories |
| 00:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | LinuxCode, no PPC version of flasher-3.5 |
| 00:35.25 | GeneralAntilles | I'm going to start killing Nokians. |
| 00:35.32 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, haha |
| 00:35.50 | LinuxCode | kill one for me for not releasing details to me about when the new device is out |
| 00:35.55 | LinuxCode | Im desperate for a new phone |
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| 01:28.01 | daniel32708 | crashanddie and caoticM : thx 4 reply! |
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| 01:47.27 | daniel32708 | maemo rules |
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| 04:28.59 | JasonWoof | how do I set up NAT? (I want my n810 (with Diablo) to share its internet connection over USB |
| 04:29.21 | JasonWoof | I used apt-get to install "iptables" and "iptables-ext" |
| 04:30.46 | JasonWoof | every other tutorial I can find talks about installing kernel modules with modprobe but: 1) modprobe dies with this message "modprobe: cannot parse modules.dep" and 2) there don't seem to be any kernel modules for ipt_MASQUERADE anyway |
| 04:36.01 | ukki | JasonWoof: i tried it a while back, but didn't get it working properly |
| 04:36.33 | JasonWoof | I don't understand why the kernel modules aren't in the iptables package |
| 04:36.43 | JasonWoof | I've tried a few times, and gone to great lengths |
| 04:36.54 | ukki | i built all the modules etc, dns/udp seemed to work, but tcp didn't |
| 04:37.44 | JasonWoof | A while back I participated in a forum thread where someone claimed to have it working, but even after installing his kernel modules, I couldn't get NAT working |
| 04:38.56 | ukki | i have an identical setup with my other linux box and it works ok so it wasn't because of my double nat |
| 04:39.49 | ukki | ah but this was os2006 sorry |
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| 05:43.01 | thux | morning |
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| 06:45.50 | caotic | would setting a user password, change or break n810 applications ? |
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| 06:48.24 | Meizirkki | caotic, nope |
| 06:48.36 | Meizirkki | bzf vai? |
| 06:48.42 | Meizirkki | sori väärä ikkuna |
| 06:48.49 | Meizirkki | sorry wrong window |
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| 06:49.29 | caotic | i could tell :P |
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| 07:40.10 | taolan | hello,everyone |
| 07:40.55 | taolan | In maemo devolopment,i can't open new browser window, |
| 07:41.19 | taolan | is there anyone who know about this? |
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| 07:43.25 | auntieNeo | did they stop making maemo live CD's? the one I found seems to be old... |
| 07:43.38 | auntieNeo | I don't want to have to mess with debs on all my non-debian boxen :( |
| 07:44.30 | taolan | I have no internet applications |
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| 07:45.10 | X-Fade | auntieNeo: http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 07:45.32 | taolan | i have install all packages ralative to maemo devolopment,but i still don't have internet applications |
| 07:45.35 | X-Fade | auntieNeo: Or better http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/ |
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| 07:49.41 | aquatix | morning all |
| 07:49.45 | danielwilms | taolan: the browser is not part of the SDK |
| 07:49.51 | Meizirkki | morning aquatix |
| 07:54.10 | taolan | danielwilms,i know it,thanks but how should install it. |
| 07:54.29 | taolan | i want to install a browser |
| 07:55.20 | taolan | because i want to install the chinese font and make the font displayed on the label. |
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| 07:56.18 | taolan | Now it doesn't display the chinese fonts |
| 07:57.05 | RST38h | More info on the Nokia Mako is out |
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| 07:57.45 | danielwilms | taolan: what does not show the chinese fonts? and which label? |
| 07:57.49 | RST38h | *FOUR* row keyboard. |
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| 07:58.20 | RST38h | Shit, why not just make a 800x480 version of the Mako??? |
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| 07:58.50 | auntieNeo | heh, it seems nokia keeps making their devices better and worse at the same time xD |
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| 07:59.27 | RST38h | Not Nokia, N-series group |
| 07:59.53 | auntieNeo | mmm |
| 07:59.53 | RST38h | Plain four-digit Nokia devices are getting consistently better |
| 08:00.28 | RST38h | S60, more features, no crappy silvery coating, lower prices |
| 08:01.22 | RST38h | Mako is actually Nokia 6790, a normal consumer grade device |
| 08:01.22 | taolan | The label is a GtkWidget on which i want to display chinese |
| 08:01.54 | RST38h | So is 5800 |
| 08:01.54 | suihkulokki | RST38h: E-series has nice stuff too. But N-series is really kinda "beta-series" |
| 08:01.58 | auntieNeo | I'm still waiting for my N810 to arrive :s |
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| 08:02.09 | X-Fade | taolan: Do you have chinese fonts installed? |
| 08:02.38 | taolan | Now i can't install chinese fonts |
| 08:02.49 | RST38h | suihkulokki: E-series killed my E70, replacing it with clealry inferior E75, so I have got a personal grudge there =) |
| 08:03.04 | taolan | i don't know how to install it . |
| 08:03.31 | RST38h | suihkulokki: No personal grudges against N-series, just disappointment at why they can't get a few simple things right |
| 08:03.37 | auntieNeo | taolan: i think you want this: http://maemocjk.garage.maemo.org/index.html |
| 08:04.00 | taolan | thanks maybe i should have a look |
| 08:04.17 | X-Fade | taolan: chinese is not supported by default, so you have to install some extra components. |
| 08:04.30 | taolan | yeah. |
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| 08:04.57 | RST38h | suihkulokki: Saving some popcorn to watch what Maemo Devices will do with their own design team, may end up with something cool |
| 08:05.16 | auntieNeo | I bought an N810 for only two things... SSH and Japanese dictionaries :P |
| 08:05.26 | auntieNeo | except, I have to port the dictionary app myself <_< |
| 08:05.26 | taolan | Now i just don't know how to install the components. |
| 08:06.01 | auntieNeo | that site I linked to has some .install files... I thought maemo used .deb? |
| 08:06.30 | taolan | i download the file ttf-chinese.install and can't install it. |
| 08:07.03 | taolan | yeah i think maemo only can install .deb file |
| 08:07.14 | X-Fade | auntieNeo: If you download .install files on the device, it will open the application manager and install the correct debs. |
| 08:07.34 | auntieNeo | mmm |
| 08:07.39 | auntieNeo | wish I had a device to test it :P |
| 08:07.58 | auntieNeo | two more days... I can wait :[ |
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| 08:09.40 | taolan | how to intall .install files using application manager after i download it to my device |
| 08:10.41 | auntieNeo | taolan: I think you're supposed to chose "open" when you download it... |
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| 08:10.52 | auntieNeo | in the download dialog |
| 08:11.32 | danielwilms | yep, just open it, don't save it when you download |
| 08:11.39 | taolan | but i don't have a browser to link |
| 08:11.47 | danielwilms | ahhh |
| 08:12.16 | danielwilms | i forgot that you are not on the device...sorry |
| 08:12.27 | auntieNeo | heh, ah :P |
| 08:12.59 | taolan | yeah i am just using a sdk |
| 08:14.06 | danielwilms | then you can add it to the sources.list...just a second |
| 08:14.29 | taolan | the sdk doesn't provide any appliction and i wan't to get a source.list |
| 08:14.46 | X-Fade | taolan: The application manager should be there? |
| 08:15.01 | taolan | yeah |
| 08:15.23 | X-Fade | Just add the repository there? |
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| 08:15.46 | taolan | which option? |
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| 08:16.37 | taolan | you mean applicaton manager-->tools-->application catalogue |
| 08:19.31 | taolan | Now whether i should install a browser or not? |
| 08:21.07 | taolan | I see a lot of application which can be installed by taping a icon after loging a url |
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| 08:24.24 | danielwilms | application catalogue -> new |
| 08:24.38 | danielwilms | then choose a name |
| 08:25.48 | danielwilms | add the repository you find in the .install file |
| 08:25.58 | danielwilms | with the web-address |
| 08:25.59 | taolan | X-Fade:maybe my application manager has something wrong.do you konw how i should install it again? thanks. |
| 08:26.54 | danielwilms | the distribution and the user |
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| 08:26.56 | taolan | danielwilms:you mean where i can add web-address. |
| 08:27.53 | taolan | what do you mean, danilelwilms? i am a newbie to maemo. |
| 08:27.59 | taolan | thanks |
| 08:28.13 | danielwilms | when you click on "new" in the application catalogue window |
| 08:28.25 | taolan | yeah |
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| 08:29.02 | taolan | Now i add the web-address,but it seems to no response |
| 08:29.20 | taolan | it doesn't work. |
| 08:29.22 | danielwilms | wait wait wait...which web-address did you enter |
| 08:29.29 | danielwilms | ?? |
| 08:29.40 | taolan | i think it has something with the appliction manager |
| 08:30.05 | taolan | wait a moment. |
| 08:31.08 | taolan | can you give me a web-address you can use? |
| 08:31.53 | taolan | i can test whether my application manager is useful |
| 08:33.03 | taolan | whether i should configure my internet or not? |
| 08:33.36 | taolan | it seems not to connect to internet. |
| 08:34.29 | danielwilms | wait a sec please |
| 08:34.42 | taolan | ok |
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| 08:37.31 | taolan | In fact,i am devoloping handwriting and the result i recognize is chinese. i can't let the result displayed on a widget like GtkLabel. |
| 08:38.30 | taolan | Maybe i should install chinese components,but i don't know how to intall it like chinese fonts. |
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| 08:45.46 | taolan | In maemo sdk,how to install application. |
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| 08:47.30 | danielwilms | sorry...just had a prob with the client |
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| 08:48.23 | danielwilms | taolan: but anyway...you cannot install it that easily in the sdk |
| 08:48.43 | taolan | yeah. |
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| 08:48.57 | danielwilms | because there is no x86 build |
| 08:49.03 | danielwilms | do you have a device?? |
| 08:49.26 | taolan | i have no device |
| 08:50.04 | RST38h | Get a device first. |
| 08:50.05 | taolan | i am graduating and know a little about maemo. |
| 08:50.17 | taolan | thanks danielwilms |
| 08:50.27 | RST38h | Debugging on the emulator is not the same, lots of things just won't work. |
| 08:50.36 | taolan | thank you for your patience. |
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| 08:51.49 | sarower | Every body, Good Afternoon! |
| 08:52.51 | sarower | i am interested to develop plug-in for maemo device. Are not there any C++ support for this? |
| 08:53.16 | sarower | I am looking for this... so far i have found all written in C! |
| 08:53.21 | sarower | any body please! |
| 08:53.40 | taolan | gtkmm |
| 08:53.44 | X-Fade | sarower: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:53.56 | RST38h | sighs |
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| 08:54.16 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ah cool =) |
| 08:54.36 | sarower | RST38h: sighs? |
| 08:54.37 | lbt | sarower: or a _proper_ solution : http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 08:54.40 | sarower | for me? |
| 08:54.41 | lbt | ;) |
| 08:54.51 | X-Fade | RST38h: Maemomm is actually in a pretty good shape :) |
| 08:55.12 | RST38h | Hey, sarower, would you consider a trade? |
| 08:55.33 | RST38h | lbt: That is -10MB in / though, for a proper solution =) |
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| 08:55.51 | lbt | disk is cheap |
| 08:55.59 | RST38h | lbt: Not Maemo's / |
| 08:56.01 | lbt | oh wait, we have no disk |
| 08:56.10 | sarower | RST38h: thats no need, others are kind. they are cooperating me... |
| 08:56.12 | RST38h | Well, we do have one, just a tiny one unfortunately |
| 08:56.28 | RST38h | sarower: Oh, I think you will find it a good trade |
| 08:56.34 | lbt | has N800 ... no space issues :) |
| 08:56.54 | sarower | RST38h: Oh please.. i no need! |
| 08:57.00 | RST38h | I appear to have a *sample desktop plugin* project which I have done for qwerty12 |
| 08:57.11 | RST38h | The plugin does not do much, but it is fully functional |
| 08:57.27 | RST38h | Just unpack tgx file, fill in your own code, and compile |
| 08:57.30 | RST38h | tgz |
| 08:57.40 | sarower | lbt: Is there any support for home area plug-in development in QT? |
| 08:58.11 | RST38h | lbt: You still have limited / |
| 08:58.52 | RST38h | sarower: So, do you want this project or not? |
| 08:59.02 | lbt | sarower: no, it's not the right choice for applets AFAIK |
| 08:59.18 | lbt | RST38h: who doesn't in this finite universe of ours? |
| 08:59.36 | RST38h | lbt: God? =) |
| 09:00.06 | lbt | exactly... no-one :P |
| 09:00.23 | RST38h | divides lbt by 0, here, unlimited / |
| 09:00.33 | sarower | X-Fade: there are many referrence which one is the appropriate for plug-in development in C++? |
| 09:01.01 | lbt | how are the gtkmm reference docs? I found them..... painful |
| 09:01.34 | X-Fade | sarower: Depends on where you want to plug in to. |
| 09:02.37 | sarower | plug-in for internet tablet....in the home area... |
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| 09:02.51 | sarower | like FM radio, RSS feed Reader etc... |
| 09:03.41 | X-Fade | That is hildon desktop. |
| 09:03.42 | sarower | X-Fade! |
| 09:04.03 | sarower | yah i know.. but it is C based.. |
| 09:04.24 | sarower | Are there any C++ support of hildon desktop? |
| 09:04.31 | sarower | X-Fade? |
| 09:04.54 | lbt | sarower: it's all gtk based |
| 09:05.06 | sarower | hm.. oh my god... |
| 09:05.07 | lbt | gtkmm is a C++ interface to gtk framework |
| 09:05.17 | X-Fade | sarower: hilldonmm |
| 09:05.18 | RST38h | Hehe, I did not sigh for nothign :) |
| 09:05.22 | X-Fade | *hildonmm |
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| 09:05.54 | sarower | X-Fade: hmm....but i need some sample in hildonmm......... |
| 09:06.07 | lbt | X-Fade: hildonmm is gtkmm+ C++ wrapper over libhildon ? |
| 09:06.10 | sarower | i do not find any such sample or example code |
| 09:06.35 | lbt | sarower: C++ is a 2nd class language for hildon... |
| 09:06.37 | RST38h | sarower, I will give you a complete sample of desktop plugin written in C |
| 09:06.44 | X-Fade | lbt: C++ bindings for hildon? |
| 09:06.53 | lbt | you will be embarking on a voyage of discovery |
| 09:07.00 | RST38h | It includes dpkg configuration and runs on Maemo desktop |
| 09:07.09 | RST38h | Do you want it? |
| 09:07.14 | sarower | RST38h: it ok |
| 09:07.29 | RST38h | I will just want 1 (one) thing in exchange |
| 09:07.39 | RST38h | And it is not money |
| 09:07.39 | sarower | ok |
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| 09:08.17 | RST38h | You should promise to restrict yourself to talk.mameo.org and maemo developers mailing list for questions about developing the plugin |
| 09:08.30 | RST38h | Is it ok? |
| 09:09.03 | sarower | i already have a question there... |
| 09:09.15 | sarower | in the talk.mameo.org |
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| 09:09.31 | RST38h | Good. My point is that you should promise to avoid pestering people on #maemo with so many questions. |
| 09:09.36 | RST38h | Can you promise that? |
| 09:10.00 | sarower | yah.. but i must have the access.... and some time i may log in here.... |
| 09:10.17 | sarower | and some / few question |
| 09:10.18 | RST38h | Logging here is fine, no problem with that. Talking is fine. |
| 09:10.30 | RST38h | Pestering people with a lot of questions for hours is not fine. |
| 09:10.36 | sarower | yah... i will maintain the rules... |
| 09:10.41 | RST38h | So, do you promise? |
| 09:10.52 | sarower | ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... fine... |
| 09:10.58 | RST38h | Ok. Your email address then? |
| 09:11.00 | sarower | you are very interesting.. man! |
| 09:12.15 | sarower | shimul279@yahoo.com |
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| 09:13.09 | sarower | RST38h.. ok? |
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| 09:13.23 | RST38h | Sent. |
| 09:13.26 | sarower | RST38h: what is your name please..? |
| 09:13.45 | RST38h | sarower: Use /whois |
| 09:14.23 | sarower | please tell |
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| 09:15.01 | sarower | can i mail you when i fetch some problem..? |
| 09:15.11 | sarower | regarding my job? |
| 09:15.19 | sarower | RST38h? |
| 09:15.50 | RST38h | sarower: You just promised something, didn't you? |
| 09:16.22 | RST38h | sarower: Post your questions to talk.maemo.org and maemo developers mailing list. If nobody answers, then nobody knows. |
| 09:17.32 | sarower | RST38h: Ok man... Kool! I understood! |
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| 09:20.22 | sarower | RST38h: Friendship...? |
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| 09:31.20 | waswas | Does anyone know, is it possible to make window with GTK and use SDL (for graphics) inside little box |
| 09:33.01 | RST38h | Not in Maemo, afaik. |
| 09:33.24 | RST38h | But doable in desktop Linux. |
| 09:33.33 | waswas | ic |
| 09:33.38 | waswas | Thanks |
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| 09:40.21 | adeus | I think there is some sql/opengl ports to maemo out there |
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| 09:59.01 | wazd | Hello Maemo :) |
| 10:00.29 | RST38h | Hello wazd |
| 10:01.46 | wazd | RST38h: hooah, my sister has chosen asus u2e, leather baby, http://pics.rbc.ru/img/cnews/2008/03/06/gsas1.jpg |
| 10:03.04 | wazd | RST38h: also she is considering asus s6f but it looks a bit like old fasioned soviet case :D http://www.ixbt.com/video2/images/g80/asus_s6f.jpg |
| 10:03.20 | RST38h | wait, are they real laptops? |
| 10:03.38 | wazd | RST38h: ultraportables :) |
| 10:03.43 | RST38h | Atom? |
| 10:03.50 | wazd | RST38h: with core2duo and stuff |
| 10:03.58 | RST38h | Ah,Core2 shoudl be ok |
| 10:04.10 | RST38h | But Atom is going to be 1/3 of Core2 performance |
| 10:04.39 | wazd | RST38h: u2e has a bit slow core2duo 1.2 Ghz only |
| 10:05.31 | wazd | RST38h: s6f is fine but I can't find it in Moscow and it looks slightly funny :) |
| 10:06.37 | RST38h | wazd: s6f looks ok to me, just a bit heavy probably |
| 10:07.07 | RST38h | Also, I do not think 1.2GHz Core2 is slow, it pulls applications just fine, and you won't play games on it anyway |
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| 10:07.46 | wazd | RST38h: yep |
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| 10:37.11 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 10:43.31 | lcuk | mornin jaffa |
| 10:46.45 | lbt | o/ |
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| 10:48.15 | lcuk | hey lbt \o |
| 10:48.22 | lcuk | puts 10p in the chan |
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| 11:14.39 | RST38h | http://www.phpguru.org/static/html5-canvas-examples |
| 11:15.00 | RST38h | (somebody at Adobe is counting days until the end of Flash) |
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| 11:16.35 | aquatix | RST38h: i help him counting |
| 11:17.33 | RST38h | aquatix: actually, that was wrong reaction |
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| 11:17.54 | RST38h | aquatix: right reaction is to ask Nokia guys if they are going to support html5 in Fremantle browser =) |
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| 11:18.21 | RST38h | Because from what this page shows, it looks like the canvas is going to be the magic bullet =) |
| 11:18.42 | aquatix | ah :) |
| 11:18.47 | aquatix | well |
| 11:19.01 | lcuk | performance? overhead? |
| 11:19.10 | aquatix | if fremantle browser is based on the gecko version of Fx 3.5 or higher, or modern webkit, we're good |
| 11:19.10 | RST38h | lcuk: not much different from Flash. |
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| 11:19.51 | RST38h | lcuk: In fact, this stuff is kinda similar to flash - it has also got JavaScript (ECMAScript in flash, same thing), the canvas, the persistent storage |
| 11:20.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Only it requires no Adobe to run :) |
| 11:20.17 | lcuk | yeah but this is sandboxed |
| 11:20.25 | RST38h | lcuk: And Flash is not? :) |
| 11:20.43 | aquatix | hopes flash is sandboxed |
| 11:20.55 | lcuk | apologies, wrong description, errmm its interpreted |
| 11:20.56 | aquatix | but watching my Fx die now and then, i think not too well |
| 11:20.56 | RST38h | lcuk: Click right mouse button on an embedded flash object and click on Options - you will see how flash is sandboxed |
| 11:21.01 | qtomu | all: Are there any instructions to install qt libraries (latest sources) on device say N810? (I tried to google but could not manage to find any useful ) |
| 11:21.14 | RST38h | lcuk: Dunno about Flash, but Mozilla uses JIT for JS |
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| 11:21.44 | lcuk | qtomu, http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/ |
| 11:21.45 | RST38h | aquatix: Ah they will fix it eventually |
| 11:21.59 | RST38h | aquatix: Can't be worse than Flash doing gettimeofday() in a tight loop |
| 11:22.29 | aquatix | haha, indeed |
| 11:22.36 | lcuk | it might just work nicely |
| 11:23.07 | lcuk | but for now, i know that i can safely block flash - do i start having to block parts of html? |
| 11:23.52 | aquatix | lcuk: i think it could be part of the browser's settings |
| 11:24.03 | qtomu | lcuk: thnx but I need not qt applications but rather qt4.6 libraries to be installed on device... I have browsed the link but could not find the relavant info |
| 11:24.04 | aquatix | `enable rich content' or something |
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| 11:24.38 | RST38h | lcuk: You probably won't |
| 11:24.42 | lcuk | qtomu, trying to help, qt is not official and part of the sdk (yet). ask lbt |
| 11:25.06 | RST38h | Hehe, Al Franken won :) |
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| 11:40.04 | lbt | qtomu: we're running 4.5.2 on the device atm... look in http://gitorious.org/qt-maemo to track |
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| 11:41.01 | lbt | qtomu: you want to run this under Diablo ? |
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| 11:52.24 | thopiekar | lbt, qtomu: using qt with python by pyqt4 is very slow atm.. |
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| 11:52.39 | lbt | latest qt-maemo thopiekar |
| 11:52.42 | thopiekar | .. that what i've tested |
| 11:52.56 | thopiekar | yes.. |
| 11:52.59 | thopiekar | , lbt |
| 11:53.08 | lbt | try a quick run using -graphicsengine native |
| 11:53.44 | thopiekar | how should I enable this in python? |
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| 11:54.50 | lbt | hmm, can you run a native C++ qt application ... it seems to affect the whole framework |
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| 11:55.52 | thopiekar | could it be that its slower because it has to redesign my ui? because my app has a window size of 600x500.. |
| 11:56.09 | lbt | unlikely |
| 11:56.25 | thopiekar | btw.. whats the size of the window if it is in normal view.. |
| 11:56.33 | thopiekar | also not fullscreen? |
| 11:56.42 | lbt | you shouldn't care |
| 11:57.01 | thopiekar | k |
| 11:57.18 | lbt | 800x600 full... no idea about smaller size :) |
| 11:57.23 | thopiekar | :) |
| 11:59.27 | ukki | anyone here with os x leopard? |
| 12:02.53 | thopiekar | no sorry... |
| 12:03.00 | thopiekar | :P |
| 12:04.13 | Macer | i never knew there was a punisher movie released last year |
| 12:04.24 | wazd | I've fixed high-end gaming mouse Microsoft Habu with a needle, lighter, screwdriver and a kitchen knife :D |
| 12:04.42 | wazd | oh, and some liquid nails :D |
| 12:05.08 | qtomu | lbt: I have already built latest sources of qt in scratchbox and at the moment trying to start up a sample qt application... on the other side I wanted to know how can I install the qt libraries to N810 once I got it build for arm target |
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| 12:42.57 | caotic | how can I free the internal memory card, I have no documents on it, just apps, (not that many actually) but already have a 4% free and I have a 16GB card in the slot that is 97% free |
| 12:44.32 | RST38h | caotic: Do you mean / or /media/mmc2 ? |
| 12:46.10 | RST38h | BTW, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/01/nokia_java_runtime/ |
| 12:46.32 | RST38h | Apparently, they managed to hog all the memory again, even on S60e5 |
| 12:47.18 | caotic | RST38h: /media/mmc2 |
| 12:47.40 | RST38h | caotic: Are you sure you have apps on /media/mmc2? It does not allow placing executable files there |
| 12:48.13 | aquatix | RST38h: interesting |
| 12:48.46 | caotic | I am not sure actually |
| 12:49.44 | caotic | just got the n810 yesterday and already have 92 MB free on / and 78 MB free on mmc2 |
| 12:49.58 | RST38h | caotic: ok, 92MB on / is ok |
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| 12:50.19 | RST38h | 78MB free on mmc2 is kinda abnormal but if you are in the US, it may be |
| 12:50.28 | johnsq | Hi |
| 12:50.36 | RST38h | caotic: do du /media/mmc2 | sort -rn |more |
| 12:50.58 | RST38h | caotic: This will show disk usage by directory name and sort the list so that the worst offenders are on top |
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| 12:51.37 | caotic | right |
| 12:51.55 | caotic | thanks :D always wondered how to fetch that info :D |
| 12:52.14 | RST38h | caotic: it may hang for a bit, as sort usually takes time |
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| 12:54.07 | caotic | maps is taking a big chuck, not really planning on using it unless I can stored on my external memory |
| 12:54.18 | caotic | RST38h: thanks a lot man |
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| 12:56.12 | Macer | what the hell |
| 12:56.32 | Macer | it was so hot last week you couldn't stay outside for more than 5 minutes without being drenched in your own sweat |
| 12:56.39 | Macer | and today it is in the 60s |
| 12:57.17 | RST38h | caotic: I would keep maps (would erase one coast if you are in the US though) |
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| 12:57.30 | RST38h | caotic: There are some sample videos and soundtracks though, kill those |
| 12:58.59 | caotic | RST38h: well, I am not in US ... so, there is no chance I will be visting zoon |
| 12:59.04 | caotic | mabe I should just ln ./maps to /media/mmc1/somethingelse |
| 12:59.09 | caotic | that may work |
| 12:59.33 | RST38h | caotic: mmc1 and mmc2 are basically equivalent, so there is no reason to worry too much about mmc2 |
| 12:59.46 | RST38h | just keep your stuff on mmc1, that's all |
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| 13:01.03 | caotic | RST38h: what do you mean by that ? |
| 13:01.12 | caotic | being equivalent |
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| 13:01.31 | RST38h | caotic: there is no advantage in keeping data on mmc2 rather than mmc1 |
| 13:01.40 | RST38h | caotic: any data that is |
| 13:02.14 | caotic | really, but when installing applications all memory consumed is from mmc2 isnt it ? |
| 13:02.24 | RST38h | no, applications install to / |
| 13:02.32 | RST38h | mmc2 can't even have executable files |
| 13:03.10 | RST38h | Applications data (especially games data) may install to mmc1 or mmc2, there is usually a dialog letting you choose during installation |
| 13:03.22 | caotic | I see |
| 13:04.16 | caotic | makes sense, but still is maps is taking almos 750 MB .. :P |
| 13:05.07 | caotic | err: 1.7 Gs thats a little excessive dont you think ? |
| 13:05.09 | johnsq | I made backup on pc, erased them and formated ext3 |
| 13:06.19 | RST38h | caotic: What country are you in? |
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| 13:06.49 | RST38h | does not remember any maps taking that much space, other than US (both coasts) |
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| 13:07.45 | caotic | RST38h: mexico |
| 13:09.31 | RST38h | Run Map application and see what maps you have installed. If you have got US maps, discard them |
| 13:09.48 | RST38h | May want to back them up to a PC of course, just in case |
| 13:11.19 | caotic | east usa 784, west usa 725 .. that sounds right ? |
| 13:14.51 | RST38h | yea |
| 13:15.39 | caotic | I think if I need them I ll just redownload, or is it a very slow servers (the ones serving the maps ) ? |
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| 13:16.24 | RST38h | no idea, it has been a while |
| 13:17.36 | caotic | RST38h: right , thats ok |
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| 13:59.06 | sleeping | i have installed diablo 4.1.2,but i can't install Xserver properly |
| 13:59.26 | sleeping | Is there anyone who can help me out? |
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| 14:17.48 | GAN800 | feels more and more like Nokia is repaying with "Really, we don't want your time or your business." |
| 14:18.16 | RST38h | GAN: True but the sad thing is that this can be applied to just about any corporation nowadays |
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| 17:28.49 | z4chh | how can i get gconf-client.h? im pretty sure i have gconf installed ..im trying to compile a program that uses (#include <gconf/gconf-client.h>) but don't seem to have it....similar to: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo:_Using_GConf |
| 17:31.22 | javispedro | z4chh, on my diablo sdk installation that file is provided by libgconf2-dev package |
| 17:31.42 | javispedro | libgconf2-dev: /usr/include/gconf/2/gconf/gconf-client.h |
| 17:32.55 | z4chh | ahh |
| 17:33.04 | z4chh | that is the package i needed :| |
| 17:34.42 | z4chh | i was wondering how the heck i couldn't compile my program that uses gconf-client.h..when i had a installed software such as advanced backlight that uses it |
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| 17:35.30 | javispedro | libgconf2 provides the library itself (already compiled applications only need that) |
| 17:35.48 | javispedro | libgconf2-dev provides include files and other things you need to compile software which uses the library |
| 17:36.28 | z4chh | aye |
| 17:36.47 | z4chh | newbie developer mistake :\ |
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| 17:37.11 | z4chh | thanks javispedro |
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| 17:46.16 | javispedro | ~seen ShadowJK |
| 17:46.19 | infobot | shadowjk is currently on #maemo #nslu2-linux #openslug. Has said a total of 123 messages. Is idling for 20h 6m 15s, last said: 'I guess when with cpu idle, screen, bluetooth, wlan, gps, usb and audio off the battery lasts a week or more, there was no need for STR :)'. |
| 17:46.39 | javispedro | ShadowJK, I already got the free Openttd data files in extras-devel |
| 17:46.59 | javispedro | seems they are way more complete than I expected |
| 17:47.29 | javispedro | and fully GPLv2 :) |
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| 17:53.58 | RST38h | javis: I tried installing OpenTTD from Extras, it seemed to install but did not run :( |
| 17:54.13 | RST38h | Going to try again in a moment, after cleaning the tablet |
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| 17:57.27 | RST38h | javis: Nope, it does not run |
| 17:57.36 | wjs_ltop | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.05 | RST38h | javis: What is the executable name anyway? |
| 18:00.10 | RST38h | Fails with "Error: Cannot open file 'sample.cat' |
| 18:01.52 | RST38h | Ok, made it run: it is missing the data |
| 18:02.28 | RST38h | javis: Millions of thanks for the proper scrolling mechanism |
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| 18:05.46 | javispedro | XChat does not blink if you call me by "javis" only (even though I believe I configured it to do so) ;) |
| 18:06.17 | javispedro | RST38h: yes, the extras version requires commercial data or installing the (for now) extras-devel opengfx package |
| 18:07.39 | javispedro | kinetic rules |
| 18:07.50 | javispedro | a few days ago I would've called it a gimmick |
| 18:08.23 | javispedro | but must admit, one can really get used to that |
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| 18:09.18 | javispedro | the algorithm I used is based on HildonPannableArea's |
| 18:09.30 | javispedro | (which is btw based on OpenMoko's. open source rules.) |
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| 18:10.39 | javispedro | (kinetic scrolling is only implemented in the extras-devel version, just in case you're wondering why it does not work :D) |
| 18:13.50 | RST38h | javis: The version in Extras does not appear to have kinetic and still rules |
| 18:14.07 | RST38h | javis: definitely needs bigger window titles though |
| 18:14.45 | RST38h | javis: also, close icon (top right corner) should quit app unconditionally |
| 18:14.57 | javispedro | this last one should be easy to fix |
| 18:15.09 | RST38h | javis: ESC key (the one with back arrow) should probably bring up Quit dialog |
| 18:15.19 | RST38h | Or a game top menu if it exists |
| 18:16.43 | javispedro | i stopped trying to get bigger widgets when I noticed not only I would need to review each form definition but also most ui graphics |
| 18:16.54 | RST38h | oh |
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| 18:17.00 | RST38h | well there is a way to avoid that |
| 18:17.07 | RST38h | double the size. |
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| 18:17.25 | javispedro | though about that |
| 18:17.37 | javispedro | enabling the xsp while drawing most windows |
| 18:17.38 | RST38h | no, really, doubled size will be just right really |
| 18:17.45 | javispedro | but disabling it while drawing main window |
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| 18:21.55 | ukki | javispedro: you are putting too much effort into it, the maemo way is "if it compiles and runs, release and move on" |
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| 18:26.21 | javispedro | well, that proves I still have a lot to learn :D |
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| 18:32.17 | RST38h | meaningfully swings a baseball bat in ukki's direction =) |
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| 18:40.48 | javispedro | calls it a day and goes back to do some real work |
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| 18:46.39 | RST38h | Dell accidentally sells 140,000 monitors for $15 a pop |
| 18:46.41 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 18:47.52 | Proteous | somehow I missed that deal |
| 18:48.03 | RST38h | It happened in .TW |
| 18:48.06 | RST38h | So no wonder |
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| 18:50.56 | javispedro | this remembers me when I RMA'd my 17'' LCD , Dell called me to verify "If I would accept a monitor with equal or better specs than the one I sent them", then received a 23'' LCD Box.... with the very same 17'' LCD inside. |
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| 19:03.13 | RST38h | javis: When autosave enabled, the game periodically throws up messages "autosave failed" |
| 19:03.36 | RST38h | javis: also does not seem to have the app icon, let me know if you want to know how to add one |
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| 19:19.22 | javispedro | wha? it has the icon, i assure you |
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| 19:19.50 | javispedro | is it 0.7.1? |
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| 19:31.48 | auntieNeo | so uh, can maemo suspend the device? silly question :P |
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| 19:32.20 | auntieNeo | I haven't seen any suspend modes in any videos |
| 19:33.04 | lbt | auntieNeo: yes it can |
| 19:33.09 | lbt | no-one uses it |
| 19:33.59 | auntieNeo | why not? |
| 19:34.02 | lbt | as it happens I mentioned it yesterday... you can look in /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 19:34.12 | auntieNeo | mmm |
| 19:34.16 | lbt | as someone said... it lasts for a week on just low power mode |
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| 19:34.21 | lbt | who needs suspend ;) |
| 19:34.26 | auntieNeo | lol |
| 19:34.34 | auntieNeo | people who need it to last two weeks? xD |
| 19:34.51 | lbt | hence /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 19:34.52 | lbt | ;) |
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| 19:53.28 | lbt | murrayc: meant to say thanks BTW |
| 19:54.10 | murrayc | For what? |
| 19:54.29 | lbt | you had an Eddie Reader CD on your blog site... |
| 19:54.40 | murrayc | It's very good, isn't it. |
| 19:54.48 | lbt | it is... |
| 19:55.03 | murrayc | I had it on near constant play for a couple of months. |
| 19:55.03 | lbt | We saw her live about a year ago |
| 19:55.10 | lbt | IIRC |
| 19:55.14 | murrayc | That must have been fun. I've never seen her. |
| 19:55.26 | lbt | she's different :) |
| 19:55.33 | murrayc | She's Scots. |
| 19:55.38 | lbt | very |
| 19:55.50 | lbt | great night thoug |
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| 19:56.33 | lbt | my wife's a bit of a music expert |
| 19:56.47 | lbt | and was very impressed at the way she had set them |
| 19:57.06 | lbt | to essentially 'period' music |
| 19:57.13 | lbt | very true to the times |
| 19:57.21 | lbt | I just enjoyed it :) |
| 19:57.53 | lbt | Also.... what did you think about using a SmartQ as a remote display for a beagleboard? |
| 19:58.13 | murrayc | Ibt John McClusker seems to be responsible for that. I must follow up on him. |
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| 19:58.50 | lbt | it was initially tongue in cheek... but actually I'd like to hear if it's viable |
| 19:58.52 | murrayc | I had never heard of SmartQ until yesterday. |
| 19:59.06 | lbt | well goshawk who hangs around here |
| 19:59.13 | lbt | imports them to Europe |
| 19:59.33 | lbt | 210 euros for a 7" N800 |
| 20:00.17 | lbt | anyhow... just an idea.... |
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| 20:11.05 | ShadowJK | Any of the smartq owners benchmarked the wlan on it yet? |
| 20:11.22 | ShadowJK | On N8x0 it seems to max out at about 800kbyte/s with massive CPU use |
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| 20:27.31 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 20:37.19 | Macer | do atoms run 64bit? |
| 20:41.13 | johnsq | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64 yes |
| 20:44.46 | ShadowJK | Some of them don't |
| 20:45.00 | Macer | i was going to sell my macbook and get a netbook |
| 20:45.02 | Macer | was just curious |
| 20:45.27 | johnsq | Macer: no netbook, they are slow |
| 20:45.37 | Macer | but they are a lot smaller |
| 20:45.46 | Macer | and 1.6GHz to 2.13GHz ..? |
| 20:45.47 | Macer | :) |
| 20:46.03 | Macer | i think i can handle the lack of speed.. i'm sure opensolaris will make up for the speed loss |
| 20:46.14 | Macer | OR MAYBE.. i'll put mer on it :-D |
| 20:46.54 | ShadowJK | Atom N2XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom Z5XX does NOT do 64bit. Atom 220 and Atom 330 DOES support 64bit. |
| 20:47.33 | ShadowJK | keep in mind that a core2 at 1GHz is probably as fast as Atom at 2Ghz :) |
| 20:47.42 | Macer | lol |
| 20:47.49 | Macer | but probably sucks up 4x the power |
| 20:47.50 | johnsq | core2 solo |
| 20:48.10 | Macer | and gives off 4x the heat |
| 20:48.31 | Macer | either way. i want to get rid of this damn macbook |
| 20:48.36 | ShadowJK | johnsq, right |
| 20:48.37 | Macer | goes to use his ebay account he hasn't used in YEARS |
| 20:48.38 | Macer | lol |
| 20:48.56 | Macer | damn i don't even remember my login or password haha |
| 20:49.12 | ShadowJK | has a dualcore atom on his desk |
| 20:49.26 | ShadowJK | genuinely dual core, the OS sees 4 CPUs :P |
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| 20:55.27 | Macer | woah! awesome. |
| 20:55.40 | Macer | i remembered my ebay login/password |
| 20:56.16 | Proteous | good luck selling compuer hardware on ebay |
| 20:56.24 | Macer | lol |
| 20:56.31 | Proteous | be prepared to have some nigerian win every auction you post |
| 20:56.42 | Macer | seriously? |
| 20:56.55 | Proteous | then ask you to cash a $10,00 check and send the laptop and the rest of the money to his "son" in nigeria |
| 20:56.58 | Proteous | pretty much |
| 20:57.09 | Macer | oh cmon. it can't be that bad |
| 20:57.13 | Macer | i've bought things from ebay before :) |
| 20:57.17 | Proteous | heh, maybe not, you'll find out |
| 20:57.19 | Macer | never sold anything though |
| 20:57.24 | Proteous | laptops? |
| 20:57.43 | Macer | bought a G3 a while back |
| 20:57.43 | Macer | :) |
| 20:57.47 | Proteous | heh |
| 20:57.52 | Macer | i thought ebay doesn't allow for negative uhm |
| 20:57.56 | Macer | what's the word i'm looking for... |
| 20:58.01 | Macer | negative feedback about sellers? |
| 20:58.28 | Macer | i could try craigslist but i am not selling underage girls as prostitutes |
| 20:59.31 | Proteous | lol |
| 20:59.31 | Proteous | try ebay, let me know how it goes |
| 20:59.31 | Proteous | I'm curious |
| 20:59.32 | Proteous | maybe it's better now |
| 21:00.03 | Macer | lol |
| 21:00.12 | Macer | ok |
| 21:00.21 | Macer | i have to windex it off and take pictures of it |
| 21:00.39 | Macer | i have a clear cover on it so once i take it off it will look brand new on the outside |
| 21:00.45 | Macer | i want to get a netbook instead |
| 21:00.51 | Macer | this thing has gotten on my last nerve |
| 21:01.40 | Proteous | heh |
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| 21:43.41 | Macer | hm |
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| 21:45.36 | tds5016 | hello all. can someone tell me where files go when you place them on the n800? |
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| 21:45.59 | tds5016 | I don't know where it mounts when you connect over usb. |
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| 21:48.50 | Macer | damn vbox runs great |
| 21:48.58 | Macer | i sure wish i had a cpu that supported virtualization :) |
| 21:49.11 | Macer | guess that will have to wait for the next system |
| 21:49.21 | jaem | hey folks |
| 21:49.58 | jaem | does anybody here know much about Python && Maemo 4? |
| 21:51.04 | tds5016 | anyone able to help me out? |
| 21:51.16 | tds5016 | jaem depends on what you need. |
| 21:51.40 | jaem | tds5016: I was following an example on the forums to make a simple Home Widget |
| 21:51.53 | tds5016 | yeah, I'm out ;-) haha. |
| 21:52.02 | jaem | okay, thanks anyhow |
| 21:52.14 | jaem | I'm still learning Python, so it might be something stupid on my part |
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| 21:52.53 | tds5016 | I can take a look at the python, I'm not an expert in the language, but I can spot something obvious. |
| 21:52.59 | jaem | sure, thanks |
| 21:53.09 | tds5016 | I just can't promise I'll be able to tell what's going on with the OS. ;-) |
| 21:53.12 | jaem | right |
| 21:53.18 | jaem | one sec, and I'll Pastebin it |
| 21:53.32 | tds5016 | good news |
| 21:54.44 | jaem | I was probably in a bit over my head, just reading the GTK docs and essentially translating a really basic PyQt widget for a different platform into something for Maemo, so it probably is my fault |
| 21:55.59 | tds5016 | hmm, pygtk is certainly a different beast ;-) |
| 21:56.30 | jaem | yes - it looked simple enough |
| 21:56.32 | tds5016 | you wouldn't happen to know where the damned file system is mounted when you plug into a pc? |
| 21:56.46 | jaem | which filesystem? |
| 21:56.51 | tds5016 | (more specifically a mac, but it shouldn't make a difference. haha) |
| 21:57.08 | tds5016 | I wanna know where files go on the n800 when you plug in the n800 to the pc. |
| 21:57.11 | jaem | oh |
| 21:57.18 | jaem | well, it should show up as two mass-storage devices |
| 21:57.23 | jaem | corresponding to your two SD cards |
| 21:57.36 | qwerty12_N810 | tds5016: The N800 unmounts the cards from the device when you plug in the cable. |
| 21:57.39 | jaem | at least, that's how it works on the N810 |
| 21:57.55 | jaem | qwerty12_N810: thanks for pointing that out |
| 21:58.34 | tds5016 | thanks. how exactly do I find the files. |
| 21:58.35 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 21:58.43 | tds5016 | I tossed a python file on it, and I need to run it ;-) |
| 21:58.47 | jaem | that reminds me - can one just mount the onboard jffs2 rootfs normally, or is there a special procedure? |
| 21:58.55 | jaem | tds5016: /media/mmc1 or mmc2 |
| 21:59.01 | tds5016 | yeah, no dice :-/. |
| 21:59.05 | jaem | oh? |
| 21:59.07 | tds5016 | the n800 doesn't have bluetooth? |
| 21:59.09 | jaem | what's in /media |
| 21:59.11 | jaem | yep |
| 21:59.12 | jaem | it does |
| 21:59.33 | tds5016 | mmc1 & mmc2 |
| 21:59.36 | jaem | tds5016: is your N800 new? |
| 21:59.41 | jaem | and the file isn't in there? |
| 22:00.13 | tds5016 | the file's not there. |
| 22:00.14 | qwerty12_N810 | jaem: you can mount it from initfs or an mmc booted system but my efforts in getting the node exported over usb via g_file_storage amounted to shit-all :/ |
| 22:00.32 | lbt | tds5016: is the back cover on |
| 22:00.39 | lbt | and is the little flap closed |
| 22:00.59 | jaem | qwerty12_N810: I just need to pull my python files off of it |
| 22:01.04 | jaem | which node is it again? |
| 22:01.10 | tds5016 | what flap? |
| 22:01.14 | lbt | N800? |
| 22:01.17 | jaem | lbt: yep |
| 22:01.25 | qwerty12_N810 | jaem: /dev/mtdblock4 |
| 22:01.31 | lbt | at the bottom under the handle is a flap for the external mmc |
| 22:01.40 | jaem | qwerty12_N810: any switches? -t? That's what I tried before |
| 22:01.50 | qwerty12_N810 | jaem: -t jffs2 :) |
| 22:01.55 | jaem | riiiiight |
| 22:02.10 | tds5016 | yeah, n800 |
| 22:02.28 | lbt | so tds5016 is that flap closed? |
| 22:02.33 | tds5016 | I just snapped something off of it. hahaha! I hope that didn't rbeak it. |
| 22:02.33 | jaem | qwerty12_N810: why is it that the switches aren't always needed on some systems? |
| 22:02.47 | tds5016 | lbt: the big flap on the back, yes. |
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| 22:03.20 | lbt | and the one that's covered up when you shut the handle/stand |
| 22:03.21 | tds5016 | now it showed up randomly... |
| 22:03.27 | qwerty12_N810 | jaem: /etc/fstab entries afaik |
| 22:03.34 | jaem | okay |
| 22:03.38 | jaem | well, it worked now |
| 22:03.48 | jaem | ...after /me remembered to actually make sure the mount point *existed* |
| 22:03.49 | jaem | heh |
| 22:03.50 | lbt | there are magnets that detect that the covers are closed and unmount the mmc cards .... ask me how long I spent... |
| 22:04.06 | jaem | lbt: so that's how they do it... |
| 22:04.09 | jaem | on the N810 too? |
| 22:04.17 | jaem | the magnets, that is |
| 22:04.26 | lbt | I guess so.... ask qwerty12_N810 |
| 22:05.39 | jaem | gah... K3B is much too triumphant when it burns a disc successfully |
| 22:05.44 | jaem | it could do with less fanfare |
| 22:05.47 | jaem | literally... |
| 22:05.52 | jaem | ;) |
| 22:06.21 | tds5016 | does the n800 not come with a gps? |
| 22:06.27 | jaem | tds5016: nope |
| 22:06.30 | jaem | that came in the N810 |
| 22:06.45 | jaem | although you're not missing much - the internal gps isn't very good |
| 22:06.53 | tds5016 | yeah, I have an n810 too. |
| 22:06.59 | tds5016 | I'm trying to write the program to work on both. |
| 22:07.00 | tds5016 | haha. |
| 22:07.08 | tds5016 | how do I get to the bluetooth on the n800? |
| 22:07.19 | jaem | tds5016: I would think that a BT gps unit would work with the gpsd the same way |
| 22:07.25 | jaem | see ^ |
| 22:07.37 | tds5016 | I've got a bluetooth gps ;-) |
| 22:07.42 | jaem | ah |
| 22:07.44 | jaem | then pair it |
| 22:07.50 | tds5016 | haha, I need to figure out how to access the bluetooth on the n800 to pair it. |
| 22:07.53 | jaem | I haven't tried, but I don't think it's terribly difficult |
| 22:07.57 | tds5016 | ont he n810 it's in the connection settings :-/. |
| 22:07.58 | jaem | also, minigpsd is better |
| 22:08.06 | jaem | oh, that's what you mean |
| 22:08.10 | jaem | meant* |
| 22:08.12 | tds5016 | ;-) |
| 22:08.27 | qwerty12_N810 | tds5016: Control Panel -> GPS Location |
| 22:08.30 | tds5016 | minigpsd? I'm just using python's pygpsbt ;-) |
| 22:08.44 | jaem | tds5016: I meant the system daemon |
| 22:08.55 | jaem | not the module to access gps functions |
| 22:08.56 | tds5016 | oh, gotchya ;-) |
| 22:08.58 | tds5016 | thanks! |
| 22:09.37 | z4chh | anyone know package i can install to get iwlib.h? ...google didn't have much to say :| |
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| 22:09.52 | tds5016 | oh, how I don't wanna try to get them to buy more gps devices. haha. |
| 22:09.54 | auntieNeo | the maemo sdk installer is pretty bad... if it fails to download one of its thousands of packages, you have to start all over :( |
| 22:10.24 | jaem | auntieNeo: I know - I'm not a fan |
| 22:10.34 | qwerty12_N810 | z4chh: libiw-dev |
| 22:11.06 | z4chh | sweet thanks qwerty |
| 22:11.07 | tds5016 | many thanks guys! |
| 22:11.07 | auntieNeo | why can't they just use a tarball? as far as I can tell, it's just extracting them <_< |
| 22:11.32 | jaem | completely OT, but has anybody seen a website where you can submit a photo of an unidentifiable object so the Internets can tell you what it is? |
| 22:11.48 | jaem | I have something really strange that a friend gave me as a gag gift, just to confuse me |
| 22:12.03 | auntieNeo | imageshack+irc? |
| 22:12.07 | auntieNeo | or 4chan? ;P |
| 22:12.14 | jaem | auntieNeo: I stay away from 4chan |
| 22:12.22 | jaem | but that is still a valid suggestion, I suppose |
| 22:12.23 | jaem | heh |
| 22:12.37 | auntieNeo | I was mostly kidding :P |
| 22:12.52 | auntieNeo | you could always try it though |
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| 22:20.15 | jaem | hmm |
| 22:20.29 | jaem | is there an actual reference for the hildon-desktop python bindings anywhere? |
| 22:20.31 | jaem | I couldn't find one |
| 22:24.47 | tds5016 | the other thing... |
| 22:24.59 | tds5016 | the n800 camera deal... |
| 22:25.03 | tds5016 | it's stupid as all hell... |
| 22:25.13 | tds5016 | it flips around, but makes everything upside down. haha. |
| 22:25.59 | tds5016 | I don't want to have to account for that. the n8100 will KEEP everything upside down fi you physically flip the device too. if it's smart enough to do that, I shouldn't have to account for it in my software. haha. |
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| 22:26.19 | jaem_afk | tds5016: that would make things too easy ;) |
| 22:26.22 | jaem_afk | what are you coding? |
| 22:26.57 | tds5016 | video streaming stuff... it's a little more involved, and I'm not allowed to get that detailed :-/. |
| 22:27.07 | tds5016 | s/and/but |
| 22:27.38 | jaem_afk | *raises eyebrow* |
| 22:27.39 | jaem_afk | okay |
| 22:28.10 | tds5016 | the other thing that is getting really old... the folks in the network operations center that are telling me that the ports I need open are opened. |
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| 22:28.24 | tds5016 | they got ONE of the ten I actually need opened opened. |
| 22:28.28 | jaem_afk | ha |
| 22:28.35 | jaem_afk | where are you working? |
| 22:28.50 | tds5016 | Penn State at the moment. |
| 22:29.33 | tds5016 | I'm in a research department here that is funded by ARL and a couple of larger companies. |
| 22:29.41 | tds5016 | defense* |
| 22:29.55 | tds5016 | In about a month or so, I'm going to Cali to work for Cisco though. haha. |
| 22:29.59 | jaem_afk | nice |
| 22:30.34 | tds5016 | but I like it here, I'm going to miss the environment of working at a research university. |
| 22:30.50 | jaem_afk | nods |
| 22:30.54 | jaem_afk | is afk |
| 22:30.55 | tds5016 | I've only been outa school for about a few months, and I already miss undergrad! |
| 22:31.11 | tds5016 | is done being off topic. haha. |
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| 22:33.39 | Proteous | topics, we don't need no stinking topics |
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| 22:34.33 | tds5016 | haha, good call. |
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| 22:54.12 | veganman | hello |
| 22:54.23 | veganman | I've just inserted a memory stick in my n810, how to foramt it? |
| 22:54.27 | veganman | format |
| 22:54.35 | veganman | or should I say partition |
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| 22:56.31 | jaem_afk | veganman: it's probably easier to do it from your PC |
| 22:56.53 | jaem_afk | but if you want, you can use the mkfs.vfat command in the console (I'm not sure if it's installed by default) |
| 22:57.08 | jaem_afk | whatever you do, you'll probably want to format it FAT32, for interoperability with Windows |
| 22:59.18 | Maiku | is it possible to use the bootmenu to have items for the same partition, but multiple kernels? |
| 23:01.05 | veganman | I'm sorry I don't have windows... |
| 23:02.07 | veganman | nor I have a memory stick reader on my peecee |
| 23:02.13 | veganman | I would have to do it from the nokia |
| 23:02.14 | veganman | how? |
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| 23:14.02 | GAN8001 | andre__, formfactor changes, endless delays, all of the unfulfilled promises. |
| 23:20.36 | jaem_afk | veganman: sorry, I have to run - someone else should be able to help you, though, if you stick around |
| 23:21.09 | veganman | sorry, if I don't own windows |
| 23:22.27 | auntieNeo | okay, so I've got this maemo sandbox running... where does maemo store Images and Documents and crap? |
| 23:22.34 | auntieNeo | under the sandbox hiarchy |
| 23:27.46 | auntieNeo | uh, there's a bunch of hidden folders under MyDocs, like .images, but I've put files in there and they don't show up in the maemo gui |
| 23:28.09 | auntieNeo | maybe the sandbox just doesn't work like it does natively :/ |
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| 23:31.56 | GeneralAntilles | scratchbox |
| 23:32.59 | auntieNeo | yes, that :P |
| 23:33.02 | auntieNeo | I got confused |
| 23:33.14 | GeneralAntilles | But, no, I can't help. |
| 23:33.14 | auntieNeo | it is a type of sandbox |
| 23:33.21 | auntieNeo | lol, it's okay :P |
| 23:33.21 | GeneralAntilles | Haven't really used scratchbox before |
| 23:33.26 | GeneralAntilles | One a cat might utilize. |
| 23:33.37 | GeneralAntilles | Which is an apt comparison. |
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| 23:49.15 | tds5016 | anyone know of a simple python api for interfacing with jabber? |
| 23:52.53 | crashanddie | pyjabber |
| 23:53.33 | auntieNeo | wooo, my app works in sandbox with NO effort on my part :D |
| 23:53.46 | auntieNeo | well, it's not even my app either :P |
| 23:53.49 | auntieNeo | <3 open source |
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| 23:57.55 | tds5016 | crashanddie: is pyjabber available on maemo? |
| 23:58.55 | tds5016 | anyone able to point me in a direction for writing a messaging app on maemo? |
| 23:59.13 | tds5016 | I technically need to write a messaging add-in to a current project I'm working on. haha. |
