| 00:00.43 | Macer | i'm suprised nobody has made a movie about it |
| 00:00.51 | Pavlov | lcuk: but yeah, the good news is that aside from painting we actually have very little overhead |
| 00:00.56 | Pavlov | so just gotta optimize it to be less dumb |
| 00:01.11 | lcuk | until someone puts a flash anim on lol |
| 00:01.19 | Pavlov | o.O |
| 00:01.23 | Pavlov | flash. sigh. |
| 00:01.27 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:01.36 | Macer | it's called enron: the smartest guys in the room |
| 00:01.44 | Macer | everybody should have to watch it :) |
| 00:01.46 | lcuk | people expect to run desktop stuff if you give it to em |
| 00:01.50 | Pavlov | yep |
| 00:02.01 | lcuk | principle reason why i made my own sketch format instead of using svg ;) |
| 00:02.02 | Pavlov | we're trying hard to make it so people on the web don't need flash |
| 00:02.39 | lcuk | Macer, dunno not in same country as you to see same progs |
| 00:02.55 | lcuk | Pavlov, but then again it gets taken away with <video> and <audio> still |
| 00:03.11 | Pavlov | video and audio are easier for us to optimize though |
| 00:03.13 | Pavlov | flash is black box |
| 00:03.39 | Macer | lcuk: download it ;) |
| 00:03.39 | lcuk | has timeless ever shown you his stresstest |
| 00:03.42 | Macer | it's great haha |
| 00:03.52 | Pavlov | lcuk: which one? |
| 00:03.54 | Macer | it is coorperate greed at its best :) |
| 00:04.09 | Macer | they were like corp nazis |
| 00:04.18 | Macer | absolutely no empathy for anything |
| 00:04.20 | Pavlov | i know a guy that used to work at enron |
| 00:04.23 | Pavlov | tells me the best stories |
| 00:04.31 | Macer | Pavlov: he was probably in the movie |
| 00:04.33 | lcuk | Pavlov, he has one knocking about that killed quite a few desktop browsers |
| 00:04.41 | Pavlov | lcuk: heh |
| 00:05.00 | Pavlov | lcuk: we'll be able to split that page out of process soon enough |
| 00:05.03 | Macer | the best one was the test they did where they had employees sitting at a table and told them no matter what they had to continue .. they told them they were shocking someone in another room with increasing electricity |
| 00:05.28 | Pavlov | our video stuff on the desktop could probably be sped up 3-5x |
| 00:05.29 | Macer | you can hear someone pretending to scream in another room :) it had me in tears laughing |
| 00:05.30 | Pavlov | with some work |
| 00:05.41 | Pavlov | maybe more |
| 00:05.50 | Pavlov | its all software right now |
| 00:06.18 | Macer | i'm downloading it right now. that documentary should have won an award |
| 00:06.39 | Pavlov | Macer: eh, i doubt it -- he was working for some company that got bought by them |
| 00:06.48 | Pavlov | but sounded like the place was just a disaster in all aspects |
| 00:07.01 | derf | Pavlov: 17:36:11< timelyx> [nsfw] http://timeless.justdave.net/stress/stress.html |
| 00:07.33 | lcuk | Pavlov, its got some nsfw photos but it should prove a good test |
| 00:07.47 | lcuk | heh derf you saved me pastin the link i just found ;) |
| 00:07.47 | Pavlov | oh yeah |
| 00:07.49 | Pavlov | i've seen that page |
| 00:07.56 | Macer | Pavlov: heh. enron stock is still on the markets at .07/share |
| 00:07.57 | lcuk | on fennec? |
| 00:08.00 | Macer | i should buy enron |
| 00:08.00 | Pavlov | lcuk: no.. heh |
| 00:08.14 | Macer | digs in his pocket for a few hundred dollars |
| 00:08.15 | Pavlov | lcuk: that page should get a _ton_ better when we stop agressively loading images |
| 00:08.24 | lcuk | Pavlov, have you seen/played with the latest liqbase-playground |
| 00:08.40 | Pavlov | lcuk: last thing i saw was whatever you showed me at maemo mozilla thing |
| 00:09.24 | lcuk | near enough, ive been playing muchly since :) |
| 00:09.25 | derf | Pavlov: You work on fennec, or...? |
| 00:09.25 | Macer | 0.010.00 / -20.00% Jun 24 |
| 00:09.28 | Macer | Enron Capital Llc (OTHER OTC:ECTPQ) |
| 00:09.30 | Pavlov | derf: yeah |
| 00:09.35 | Macer | lol |
| 00:10.03 | derf | Does it actually support <video> yet? |
| 00:10.17 | Pavlov | derf: it does, but theora decoding on the n810 is horribly slow |
| 00:10.34 | Pavlov | we've got someone doing theora-on-the-dsp to see how much that'll win us |
| 00:10.38 | derf | I know. |
| 00:10.51 | Pavlov | got someone else doing gstreamer backend for video |
| 00:11.03 | Pavlov | so we'd be able to support other formats that are fast on the device |
| 00:11.25 | derf | Well, even that will have to go through your software rendering pipeline, no? |
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| 00:11.45 | jeremiah | Hey Pavlov |
| 00:12.15 | Pavlov | hey |
| 00:12.30 | lcuk | mornin jeremiah i gather at this time of the mornin you are off the clock lol |
| 00:12.42 | jeremiah | Clock? There's a clock? |
| 00:12.47 | Pavlov | derf: yep, although that shouldn't completely kill us |
| 00:12.50 | Pavlov | derf: but we'll see |
| 00:12.59 | lcuk | there should be, but its having problems gettin through autobuilder ;) |
| 00:13.07 | derf | I was on one of the con calls where Theora rendering speed was discussed, and the numbers you guys were reporting were vastly inferior to what we were getting with just decoding the video, not displaying it. |
| 00:13.08 | Pavlov | derf: one thing we've talked about on small devices is doing a preview with a prominent full screen button |
| 00:13.11 | Pavlov | and doing xvideo |
| 00:13.20 | jeremiah | Pavlov: Haven't dived into the package xulrunner thicket yet, but hoping to before Fremantle. |
| 00:13.37 | Macer | 0.0080 ENRON CAP |
| 00:13.44 | Macer | wow. not even worth .01 :) |
| 00:13.55 | Pavlov | jeremiah: no worries, we've been running around crazy lately -- prolly would have been slow on the replys |
| 00:13.59 | Macer | a share costs 1/8th of a cent |
| 00:14.22 | lcuk | Pavlov, if you didnt have to worry about the 8x0, would the xvideo rebuild even come into consideration |
| 00:14.34 | derf | As in, you were complaining of 1-2 fps, and we had 320x240 at 25 fps in pure software on an openmoko (vastly inferior to the N8x0 in processing speed). |
| 00:14.35 | jeremiah | Cool. The maemo world is busy as well. We are doing some fun QA stuff so . . . :) |
| 00:14.40 | lcuk | or is that actually specifically for video itself |
| 00:14.44 | Pavlov | derf: weird |
| 00:14.47 | Macer | enron did have an absolutely awesome logo |
| 00:15.10 | Pavlov | derf: we should definitely get some new numbers and some oprofile data |
| 00:15.27 | Pavlov | lcuk: just for the video in that case |
| 00:15.50 | derf | Pavlov: Yeah. Though getting ds's dsp port will still go a long ways towards shutting up people who whine, "But H.264 is done in hardware!" |
| 00:15.50 | Pavlov | since with fullscreen video you don't have to worry about compositing it with other elements on the page |
| 00:15.58 | Pavlov | derf: yeah |
| 00:17.10 | lcuk | derf you just said numbers greatly different between decoding and viewing |
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| 00:17.21 | lcuk | you said 1-2 fps and 25fps, which tests gave which |
| 00:17.41 | Pavlov | we were getting 1-2 fps in fennec for theora videos |
| 00:17.42 | lcuk | and were on about different hardware as well which threw me |
| 00:17.54 | Pavlov | but i personally haven't run any standalone tests |
| 00:18.18 | lcuk | ogg theora is a postcard format isnt it :) |
| 00:18.25 | Pavlov | haha |
| 00:18.29 | Pavlov | im avoiding that troll! |
| 00:18.30 | lcuk | sell it as such and tell epople who have it faster have a bug |
| 00:18.37 | derf | lcuk: The openmoko is like a 200 MHz ARMv4. |
| 00:19.00 | lcuk | ok derf, but what speed was it rendering at |
| 00:19.06 | lcuk | was that the 25fps? |
| 00:19.15 | lcuk | or was the 25fps just decoding |
| 00:19.18 | derf | We didn't try rendering, that was just decoding to /dev/null |
| 00:19.22 | Pavlov | ah |
| 00:19.31 | lcuk | ok much more reasonable |
| 00:19.49 | derf | Still, the point was, the difference was more than an order of magnitude. |
| 00:19.53 | lcuk | what res is the moko? |
| 00:20.00 | Pavlov | pushing to the screen on that is probably going to take 10-15ms |
| 00:20.09 | Pavlov | on a 200mhz cpu |
| 00:20.19 | Pavlov | per frame |
| 00:20.30 | derf | lcuk: 480x640. |
| 00:20.38 | lcuk | cpu technically shouldnt be involved in pumping data from memory to lcd framebuffer |
| 00:20.54 | lcuk | and depending on where the framebuffer itself is, you might have no moving anyway |
| 00:21.07 | Pavlov | lcuk: well, if you use overlays and yuv probably true |
| 00:21.08 | lcuk | nice |
| 00:21.15 | Pavlov | if you convert to rgb and draw using X.. |
| 00:21.47 | lcuk | x11 native rendering pathway still blits data at the end of the day onto a piece of memory which then needs moving to the lcd framebuffer |
| 00:22.01 | Pavlov | yep |
| 00:22.18 | lcuk | we have that delay where native screen memory must be transported through a low bridge onto the hardware |
| 00:22.32 | Pavlov | the yub2rgb() call is going to take 15ms though |
| 00:23.01 | Pavlov | at least |
| 00:23.06 | lcuk | heh, thats another piece of hardware we cant use |
| 00:23.21 | lcuk | we have IVA core inside our omap2 that can do yuv->rgb and vice versa |
| 00:23.22 | lcuk | sat idle |
| 00:23.37 | jeremiah | lcuk: Why does it sit idle? |
| 00:23.42 | Pavlov | heh |
| 00:23.50 | jeremiah | Seems like a waste. |
| 00:23.53 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_justification |
| 00:23.59 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:24.44 | jeremiah | Good god. |
| 00:24.59 | jeremiah | Nokia should be paying you lot. |
| 00:24.59 | lcuk | jeremiah, the omap2 is essentially a quad core - there are effectively 4 ARM processors inside it, main cpu, dsp, powervr, iva |
| 00:25.14 | derf | The DSP is not ARM. |
| 00:25.28 | b-man16 | ooooh |
| 00:25.49 | philv | Hrmn, is the PowerVR MBX an ARM core, or is it ImgTech's USSE? |
| 00:25.53 | lcuk | derf, i thought internally it was a highly modified arm |
| 00:26.08 | philv | the DSP definitely isn't |
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| 00:27.03 | lcuk | retracts that, apologise |
| 00:27.23 | lcuk | ive always been under the impression it was just fudged over the years and specialized |
| 00:28.22 | zeroprog | hey guys i just finished installing the sdk and i was just wondering...is it just standard c programming or is it low level for n800 |
| 00:28.45 | lcuk | neither, you must write in python only |
| 00:28.51 | Pavlov | heh |
| 00:29.02 | Pavlov | low level python no brnaches |
| 00:30.05 | lcuk | max variable identifier length 3 characters |
| 00:30.11 | derf | lcuk: The TI TMS320 line and the ARM line are about the same age, but independent. |
| 00:30.25 | zeroprog | thats awesome....im so much better at python...but the maemo hello world is in c so i got confused |
| 00:31.15 | derf | lcuk: The easiest way to tell it's not ARM is that up through the C55x series, it was all 16-bit. |
| 00:33.35 | jeremiah | zeroprog: Python is a first class citizen on the tablet. :) |
| 00:34.52 | zeroprog | thats great...open source devices are awesome |
| 00:36.41 | lcuk | derf, yeah i see my error |
| 00:37.04 | lcuk | its still a quadcore tho :D |
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| 00:37.52 | derf | Anyway... I'm not sure video will ever be fast on the N8x0. |
| 00:38.38 | derf | And I was pretty sure ds was only targetting the C64x (OMAP3) with his Theora port. |
| 00:38.41 | lcuk | yeah the videomode is 25fps in extreme cases |
| 00:38.56 | lcuk | at 800*480yuv |
| 00:39.20 | Pavlov | derf: yeah he is |
| 00:39.35 | derf | So you'll still have to wait for the next device. |
| 00:40.01 | Pavlov | want some tegra chips in my devices |
| 00:40.28 | lcuk | shhhhhh |
| 00:40.33 | lcuk | dont let gan hear you say that |
| 00:40.45 | Pavlov | tegra tegra tegra |
| 00:41.56 | Pavlov | 720p video playback completely off the cpu is nice ;/ |
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| 00:42.00 | lcuk | the best part about new hardware is the delay to finding out what you can do with it to slow it down |
| 00:42.19 | Pavlov | heh |
| 00:42.45 | lcuk | when all your existing software runs shit hot and you have headroom to code new cruft |
| 00:42.52 | Pavlov | yep |
| 00:43.17 | Pavlov | i was laughing the other day about how mozilla's bulid times have basically remained constant throughout the last 10 years of newest hardware |
| 00:43.27 | lcuk | how long does it take? |
| 00:43.43 | derf | Pavlov: Well, you're still using C++. |
| 00:43.56 | lcuk | shudder |
| 00:44.14 | Pavlov | on my quad core 2.93ghz xeon mac pro running windows 7 with linux in vmware, my linux builds take about 13 minutes |
| 00:44.43 | Pavlov | (the vm only has 2 cores) |
| 00:44.56 | lcuk | so no chance for me to build on device within this life time then? :D |
| 00:45.04 | lcuk | tho 13mins isnt that bad |
| 00:45.05 | Pavlov | mm, no ;) |
| 00:45.07 | lcuk | qt takes hours |
| 00:45.10 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 00:45.14 | Pavlov | i dunno what qt does |
| 00:45.18 | Pavlov | goes off to lunch |
| 00:45.24 | derf | lcuk: I don't think the device has enough memory, even if you've got the time. |
| 00:45.31 | lcuk | i'd hate to make a typo |
| 00:45.37 | Pavlov | yeah, linking on a couple places would prolly fail;/ |
| 00:45.42 | lcuk | i tihnk its faster to make and load the punchcards in that time |
| 00:50.47 | Macer | The film won the Independent Spirit Award for Best Documentary Feature and was nominated for Best Documentary Feature at the 78th Academy Awards in 2006.[1] |
| 00:50.54 | Macer | guess it did win awards :) |
| 00:52.31 | derf | It's got a scene with strippers set to Philip Glass. |
| 00:52.35 | derf | Of course it won awards. |
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| 02:19.13 | soap | Wait - I'm missing something. |
| 02:19.35 | soap | Strippers? Philip Glass? Not in one of my dreams? Where? |
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| 02:24.39 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 02:24.40 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@cblmdm24-53-129-70.buckeyecom.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 59m 12s ago, saying: 'ooooh'. |
| 02:24.47 | xnt14 | DAMNIT!!! |
| 02:25.03 | KurtKraut | soap: I love Philip Glass. I'm listening a Glass song right now |
| 02:25.36 | xnt14 | wants to kill the guy who made dd-wrt!!!! |
| 02:25.41 | xnt14 | hates his router |
| 02:25.58 | xnt14 | needs a file from b-man :P |
| 02:28.17 | soap | how can you hate dd-wrt? |
| 02:29.56 | soap | no, I mean seriously, I'm not just saying random things in response to whatever pops up on my screen. |
| 02:30.24 | soap | dd-wrt is like a good spouse. Always there for you and never gets in your way. |
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| 02:43.14 | Luke-Jr | DD-Wrt is a piece of crap |
| 02:43.31 | bef0rd | mmm I saw a video of somebody controlling his home lights and stuff with the n800 but can't find it again :| |
| 02:48.49 | xnt14 | Luke-Jr, I Know, but my dad won't let me install anything without a gui (he likes gui), and the openwrt gui is crap :P |
| 02:48.58 | xnt14 | well sorta crap |
| 02:49.01 | xnt14 | imo |
| 02:49.05 | xnt14 | cli ftw :P |
| 02:51.12 | Luke-Jr | xnt14: OpenWrt GUI isn't crap. |
| 02:51.23 | xnt14 | well, for me its sorta limited |
| 02:51.36 | xnt14 | ah well, nvm, I just prefer the cli |
| 02:52.28 | xnt14 | wonders where the hell is b-man |
| 02:53.01 | xnt14 | dd-wrt gui is sort of good, but the dev is an fucking retard |
| 02:53.19 | xnt14 | you can't customize the gui |
| 02:53.42 | xnt14 | http://www.bitsum.com/about-ddwrt.htm |
| 02:58.48 | xnt14 | goes and plays nexuiz |
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| 03:04.45 | xnt14 | %ircsysteminit.test |
| 03:04.49 | xnt14[server] | Testing... |
| 03:04.56 | xnt14[server] | Test Complete |
| 03:04.59 | xnt14 | :) |
| 03:05.07 | Macer | wow |
| 03:05.11 | xnt14 | %mute #maemo |
| 03:05.23 | xnt14 | GA doesn't want me to flood the channel :P |
| 03:05.38 | xnt14 | goes back to nexuiz |
| 03:06.01 | Macer | enron was HORRIBLE |
| 03:06.06 | Macer | hahaha |
| 03:06.29 | Macer | i just watched the whole thing |
| 03:08.49 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, Tegra is a joke next to OMAP3. |
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| 03:10.31 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, and it sure aint doing 720p with that ARM11 |
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| 03:42.48 | b-man16 | does anyone know if the diablo kernel has support for directfb? |
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| 03:49.20 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 03:49.25 | ShadowJK | probably not |
| 03:50.21 | b-man16 | i read somewhere that it can interface with omapfb |
| 03:50.37 | b-man16 | or fbdev |
| 03:51.13 | ShadowJK | well, those exist |
| 03:52.23 | b-man16 | i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel |
| 03:52.47 | ShadowJK | mplayer uses omapfb |
| 03:53.03 | ShadowJK | though i dont know on what level |
| 03:53.25 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, stress was originally filed as a bugzilla.mozilla.org bug years ago |
| 03:53.37 | timeless_mbp | so yes, i *know* pavlov has seen it ;) |
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| 05:45.50 | Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: its about the whole package, not just one part ;p |
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| 06:17.09 | thux | morning |
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| 06:53.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | where are the network connections saved?s |
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| 07:55.47 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:57.54 | Stskeeps | morning |
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| 07:58.44 | Stskeeps | is happy he can finally add sane translations strings into Mer |
| 07:59.21 | Jaffa | woohoo |
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| 08:01.44 | Stskeeps | (and go on holiday for a week tomorrow) |
| 08:05.13 | man_in_shack | lucky you |
| 08:07.06 | Stskeeps | well, it's a music festival not so much a holiday, .. maybe a mental holiday :P |
| 08:07.07 | man_in_shack | that's also cool |
| 08:07.34 | Stskeeps | did you have any luck with reflashing your initfs? |
| 08:08.05 | man_in_shack | yeah, FINALLY got that fixed |
| 08:08.30 | man_in_shack | only by using fiasco-flasher on the booted maemo |
| 08:09.43 | man_in_shack | now thinking about fiddling with nitdroid |
| 08:10.00 | Stskeeps | yeah, you'll probably be disappointed :P |
| 08:10.08 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 08:10.19 | man_in_shack | from what i've read, it won't boot if the external memory card is inserted |
| 08:10.25 | man_in_shack | that's a show-stopper for me |
| 08:10.39 | Stskeeps | what were your primary complaints about mer, btw? |
| 08:10.52 | Stskeeps | just so i can add them on the list of fthings to fix |
| 08:11.38 | man_in_shack | mostly that midori kept thinking i was hitting enter when i tried to put the cursor in a text field |
| 08:11.52 | Stskeeps | ah, midori we can all agree on. we have Tear now |
| 08:12.10 | man_in_shack | tear? |
| 08:12.18 | Stskeeps | yeah, you never tried Tear on Maemo? |
| 08:12.23 | Stskeeps | if not, you're -really- missing out |
| 08:12.31 | man_in_shack | is it in extras? |
| 08:13.03 | Stskeeps | not sure, it has to be installed rather manually |
| 08:13.23 | Stskeeps | either way, give mer 0.15 a try and tell me what issues there are - released in two weeks |
| 08:13.32 | Stskeeps | best source of bugs is disgrunted(?) users anyway :P |
| 08:14.35 | man_in_shack | missing an 'l' in "disgruntled" |
| 08:14.39 | man_in_shack | yet another reason to not use mer ;) |
| 08:14.52 | Stskeeps | yeah, hence my "?" :P |
| 08:15.03 | Stskeeps | i am usually able to see when i'm making typos, so |
| 08:18.16 | man_in_shack | i see "tearbookmarks" in my apps manager |
| 08:18.24 | man_in_shack | not installable because there's no "tear" package |
| 08:18.34 | Stskeeps | yeah, but not the whole tear browser.. eitherway, it's really fast and useful browser :P |
| 08:18.38 | Stskeeps | webkit based too |
| 08:20.13 | man_in_shack | no tear in debian unstable |
| 08:20.18 | man_in_shack | so can't even test it here |
| 08:20.34 | man_in_shack | though i have noticed performance issues with midori on my desktop |
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| 08:25.34 | man_in_shack | Stskeeps, oh, another thing, mer seems to take a while to boot up |
| 08:26.09 | Stskeeps | you want to know what exactly causes it? it's really silly |
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| 08:26.19 | Stskeeps | it's the setup of keyboard and console |
| 08:26.23 | man_in_shack | heh |
| 08:26.33 | Stskeeps | the way to do it in debian/ubuntu is so shitty it adds 30 seconds to boot |
| 08:26.48 | man_in_shack | can't most of that be yanked from the boot process? |
| 08:27.35 | Stskeeps | probably - currently i'm not yanking anything from standard ubuntu because it might have reprocussions |
| 08:28.01 | man_in_shack | well i might try some yanking just on my copy |
| 08:28.37 | man_in_shack | Stskeeps, another minor niggle i have is that the osk doesn't disappear when the hardware keyboard is extended |
| 08:29.22 | Stskeeps | admittedly, and now i that have a N810 (donated by nokia) i can see why that's bloody irritating |
| 08:30.05 | man_in_shack | i can put up with it |
| 08:30.12 | man_in_shack | if the other issues i have are solved :D |
| 08:31.07 | lcuk | hey Stskeeps Jaffa |
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| 08:33.48 | man_in_shack | oh fun |
| 08:33.56 | man_in_shack | i just lost a bunch of fonts on my desktop |
| 08:34.59 | Stskeeps | morning qwerty12_N810 |
| 08:35.16 | qwerty12_N810 | hey Stskeeps |
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| 08:36.03 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: promoted locale-switcher, as i'm getting in timeless's en_US by default now |
| 08:36.17 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 08:36.34 | lcuk | god help you :P |
| 08:36.58 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Ah, cool, but remember you'll need to set gksu's disable_grab option for n800 users |
| 08:36.59 | Stskeeps | (there were several grammatical errors in that sentence) |
| 08:37.15 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: mmkay |
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| 08:38.22 | qwerty12_N810 | libgksu was a shithole. The only program I saw using version 2 loaded its symbols from the library >.< |
| 08:38.48 | Stskeeps | hums along to nine inch nails - la mer |
| 08:43.57 | lcuk | lol Stskeeps you gainin a theme tune |
| 08:44.15 | man_in_shack | Stskeeps, does Tear have proxy settings? |
| 08:44.16 | Jaffa | Right, run out of things to delay doing more chores |
| 08:44.42 | Stskeeps | man_in_shack: no clue, i think so |
| 08:44.53 | man_in_shack | Stskeeps, can you check? :) |
| 08:45.44 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i wish it was cc sa :P |
| 08:46.07 | lcuk | Stskeeps, contact them and ask :) |
| 08:47.03 | qwerty12_N810 | To keep in with the Mer == "bitch" theme, ask for DSM - Skets |
| 08:47.22 | man_in_shack | gah, my ears |
| 08:47.42 | man_in_shack | is there a way to turn off the nokia splashscreen and noise on boot in maemo? |
| 08:48.25 | lcuk | nokia splash can be replaced, but afaik not disablable |
| 08:48.58 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: hehe |
| 08:51.34 | man_in_shack | replacing it with something less annoying would be a help |
| 08:51.50 | Stskeeps | the spooky hands one? |
| 08:52.04 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=21941 |
| 08:52.06 | man_in_shack | and the noise |
| 08:52.08 | qwerty12_N810 | votes for Benson's mod |
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| 08:56.12 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 08:56.23 | man_in_shack | microB is now just doing this "updating" thing |
| 08:56.42 | man_in_shack | doesn't tell me much about what's going on |
| 08:56.53 | qwerty12_N810 | as root: /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon restart |
| 08:57.54 | man_in_shack | thanks |
| 09:00.50 | qwerty12_N810 | wonders how hard it can be to bring back chinook's browser-ui - y'know, the one that didn't depend on a browser daemon |
| 09:00.53 | lcuk | Stskeeps, do you think theres a way to digitize qwerty12_N810 and add him as a default search engine on mer? |
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| 09:01.55 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810 i agree with that, i think tear is the answer isnt it |
| 09:02.20 | Stskeeps | lcuk: currently in progress to find a way to clone qwerty12_N810 in order to parrallelize him |
| 09:02.26 | man_in_shack | lcuk, when that happens, email me a pizza |
| 09:02.56 | lcuk | so thats a task on this months sprint? :D |
| 09:03.24 | man_in_shack | now installing tear 0.3.1 from garage |
| 09:03.48 | man_in_shack | what is the browser daemon for anyway? |
| 09:03.58 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: yeah, I much prefer tear but tear does have with input and selecting tear can be a chore :) |
| 09:04.00 | lcuk | resets his libliqbase repo |
| 09:04.23 | qwerty12_N810 | *text |
| 09:04.44 | lcuk | static text within pages, or text in textboxes? |
| 09:05.12 | man_in_shack | wow, no preferences window in tear? just a config table editor? |
| 09:05.41 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: I've had trouble with both but at least in a textbox I can use shift and the arrow keys |
| 09:05.56 | lcuk | man_in_shack, work in progress, if you think you know how to help, get involved |
| 09:06.49 | man_in_shack | well, it seems usable enough so far |
| 09:07.03 | man_in_shack | but i have a concern about not being able to find proxy settings |
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| 09:14.08 | lcuk | http://www.delsquacho.com/blog/2009/06/27/the-weinermobile-is-the-greatest-vehicle-in-america/ |
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| 09:46.38 | aquatix | morning all |
| 09:47.18 | lcuk | mornin aquatix |
| 09:47.25 | lcuk | but i doubt its mornin for everyone |
| 09:47.43 | ShadowJK | igt |
| 09:49.14 | aquatix | it's always a morning somewhere |
| 09:49.26 | aquatix | hell, it's almost afternoon here already too |
| 09:49.34 | lcuk | yeah, and every planet has northerners lol |
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| 09:51.17 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
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| 10:33.48 | thopiekar | hi |
| 10:33.57 | thopiekar | who of you has twitter? |
| 10:35.18 | lcuk | i do |
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| 10:39.58 | thopiekar | lcuk: I think I added you some mins before :) |
| 10:45.07 | thopiekar | lcuk: who of the people here are good in packaging? As you may know I started a thread on talk. that someone could make me a static package of portaudio19 but I got now replies since I started the thread :| |
| 10:46.24 | lcuk | there is a debmaster - jeremiah, he is happy to discuss and take a look at stuff, but as with everything he can only offer guidance and you cant expect him to do it all for you :) |
| 10:46.48 | lcuk | i have just been through the mill with packaging myself |
| 10:47.29 | lcuk | the best advice i can give is look around at other packages and find the simple common elements, and make use of things from similar packages |
| 10:47.39 | lcuk | ie if its a library, look at how other libs have been packaged |
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| 10:48.19 | thopiekar | ':| |
| 10:48.24 | thopiekar | k |
| 10:48.28 | thopiekar | thanks anyway |
| 10:48.30 | lcuk | where is the thread |
| 10:48.38 | thopiekar | talk.maemo.org |
| 10:48.50 | lcuk | theres a lot of threads there |
| 10:48.51 | thopiekar | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29847 |
| 10:48.52 | lcuk | ta |
| 10:48.54 | thopiekar | xD |
| 10:49.08 | thopiekar | I just tweeted about it.. |
| 10:49.37 | lcuk | ok |
| 10:49.42 | lcuk | what do you mean by a static package |
| 10:50.00 | lcuk | cos, if its a porting project, does it already have a package |
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| 10:51.49 | thopiekar | portaudio needs a newer version of libasound.. so you have. as some people told me, to put the source of the newest libasound into the sourcefolder of portaudio19 and make it compiling it together with portaudio.. the goal of a static package is that you don't need the libs which where needed to build it.. |
| 10:52.00 | thopiekar | in your case libasound |
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| 10:52.32 | thopiekar | I just uploaded a newer version of libasound months ago and it beaked others builds on extras-devel |
| 10:52.33 | lcuk | so have you built a new version of libasound in your scratchbox? |
| 10:52.42 | thopiekar | yes |
| 10:52.52 | lcuk | thats technically ok, extras-devel is a breaking ground |
| 10:53.05 | thopiekar | but I will need such a static package to build mixxx at the end |
| 10:53.13 | lcuk | does it *NEED* the extra bits in asound |
| 10:53.29 | lcuk | or is it simpler to downgrade mixxxx to not require the new version |
| 10:54.12 | thopiekar | the problem isn't actually mixxx its portaudio19 which needs the newest package of libasound... |
| 10:54.20 | lcuk | cos i thought asound had been static and unchanging for years |
| 10:55.42 | thopiekar | I talked with the devs on #mixxx about my problem.. and about using portaudio v18 instead of v19.. but v19 is definitly needed for the scratching effects and s.o. |
| 10:56.43 | lcuk | thats a kicker |
| 10:56.44 | thopiekar | successfully uploaded portaudio18.. but it's useless as you can see :| |
| 10:57.36 | thopiekar | I really hope that someone will reply on my thread while being able to make the package for me.. |
| 10:57.53 | lcuk | thats really not a simple problem to solve |
| 10:58.03 | thopiekar | hmm :| |
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| 10:58.21 | lcuk | it involves porting and handling libasound and portaudio and then mixxx |
| 10:58.31 | lcuk | what broke in extras-devel when you sent new asound through |
| 10:59.08 | thopiekar | is now taking a look on the source folders of portaudio and libasound to find a way to get the sources together.. |
| 11:01.35 | thopiekar | yes.. |
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| 11:06.12 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: ping |
| 11:06.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: pong |
| 11:06.55 | Jaffa | qwerty12_N810: Just saw your Tear patch; I don't know what Tear's code style is, but if I saw a dev do "if(thumb_option==true)" rather than "if (thumb_option)" they'd get a pounding ;-) |
| 11:07.22 | Jaffa | It's a short hop from there to "if(thumb_option==true) { return true; } else { return false; }" ;-) |
| 11:07.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Jaffa: good point, I usually do that when using gbooleans... |
| 11:07.46 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks, I'll change it now |
| 11:08.29 | pupnik | <Harekiet> wtf there's 244 people in the dosbox facebook group |
| 11:08.41 | pupnik | <MiniMax> Kill them all. |
| 11:08.41 | lcuk | jaffa, at least it wasnt if(!no_thumb_option) |
| 11:08.48 | Jaffa | lcuk: true! |
| 11:08.55 | pupnik | <Harekiet> yeh! |
| 11:10.00 | lcuk | has facebook taken over hte world then |
| 11:10.29 | lcuk | cos i just foundout my hosts file contains "127.0.0.1 facebook.com" :D |
| 11:10.36 | thopiekar | for what is .PHONY: needed in [debian|rules]? |
| 11:11.09 | Jaffa | thopiekar: It's a make-ism |
| 11:11.18 | thopiekar | means? |
| 11:11.19 | thopiekar | :P |
| 11:11.33 | Jaffa | thopiekar: http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/make/Phony-Targets.html |
| 11:12.43 | thopiekar | thanks Jaffa |
| 11:16.06 | javispedro | everyday more and more references to libicd-network-wpa appear |
| 11:16.20 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 11:16.24 | javispedro | guess i'll have to write a readme and release it |
| 11:16.43 | javispedro | i'm such a lazy man :) |
| 11:17.49 | amr | hm, i reckon its time to install desktop linux again |
| 11:17.51 | Stskeeps | how do you deal with the custom .ko btw? |
| 11:18.11 | amr | ill get looking for a nice distro later - i assume ubuntu is still the cuddly friendly one? |
| 11:18.43 | qwerty12_N810 | No, that's Gentoo |
| 11:18.51 | amr | gentoo is now cuddly? :P |
| 11:18.51 | javispedro | i've replaced it on the initfs by remouting rw and that's about it |
| 11:19.44 | thopiekar | to link the build of my package to another, here newer, version of libasound I should set --enable-static and something like "--with-alsadir ./alsa-lib/xxx" but I can't find such a option :| |
| 11:19.47 | Stskeeps | cuddly like cuddling with barbwire |
| 11:20.24 | javispedro | thopiekar: won't a newer libasound require a newer alsa? |
| 11:21.09 | qwerty12_N810 | amr: sure! Having to compile everything is very cuddly :P |
| 11:21.29 | pupnik | ht helps heat your room... |
| 11:21.50 | thopiekar | :O I will just build the sources of libasound and use them directly to build portaudio19.. |
| 11:22.14 | thopiekar | so I have to put the sources into the sourcefolder of portaudio19... |
| 11:22.41 | amr | didn't they do away with compiling the BIG things? |
| 11:22.51 | thopiekar | I'm actually working on it but I don't think I will get a working debain-sourcefolder :| |
| 11:22.52 | amr | well, on install |
| 11:23.19 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: does your cx3110x play nice with the standard icd2 modules? :) |
| 11:23.42 | javispedro | stskeeps: ah, wre you asking about the patched .ko not working with standard icd? |
| 11:23.54 | javispedro | good timing |
| 11:23.56 | javispedro | xd |
| 11:24.00 | javispedro | yes it does |
| 11:24.13 | javispedro | i fixed that by borking wpa-supplicant |
| 11:24.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Brilliant, thank you. I may be in a situation where I may be needing the support soon :) |
| 11:24.48 | javispedro | so now both cxwhatever.ko and wpa_supplicant are borked |
| 11:24.55 | javispedro | but they happily talk |
| 11:25.05 | Stskeeps | javispedro: interesting - i wonder what we broke on mer source that causes it to not work with normal ICD |
| 11:25.25 | javispedro | icd/wlancond seems to violate iwext |
| 11:26.27 | javispedro | i remember something about icd expecting a string with "bssid:mac" but but iwext defining only "bssid" |
| 11:27.16 | pupnik | im thinking for emus, better mouse control might be using screen as a touchpad, and "-" button for left-click and "+" buttpn for right click |
| 11:27.31 | javispedro | it's been four months since I coded that already? |
| 11:27.37 | javispedro | man, time goes fast |
| 11:29.30 | pupnik | qwerty12_N810, did you post gvdown yet? |
| 11:29.41 | pupnik | i havent tried your patch yet. |
| 11:29.59 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: nah, I was sleepy: it was a quick job :) |
| 11:30.02 | pupnik | grabbing documentaries from google video is fun |
| 11:30.23 | javispedro | pupnik: i dislike that. if you're thinking dosbox & windows, there was a mouse.drv specially designed for tablets... can't find it now though |
| 11:30.48 | qwerty12_N810 | I only happened to realise later that I could reparent and destroy the menubar rather than the menu widgets individually... |
| 11:30.58 | javispedro | ag. is there a shortcut to switch languages for the n810 hw keyboard autocompleter? |
| 11:31.07 | pupnik | whhhhh javispedro -- some dos games use relative motion - no way to use exact coords afaik |
| 11:31.31 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: ctrl+chr |
| 11:32.17 | javispedro | a banner just appearead with (in spanish) "font face changed" |
| 11:32.34 | javispedro | but that did it, qwerty12 |
| 11:32.37 | javispedro | thanks |
| 11:34.06 | thopiekar | isn't $(MAKE) -C /dir_xy the folder where the compiled files will be moved in? |
| 11:34.09 | qwerty12_N810 | Says: "Input language switched" here :P |
| 11:35.03 | javispedro | "messy translations" |
| 11:35.07 | qwerty12_N810 | thopiekar: no; that runs make in that folder - the equivalent to cd'ing there and running make |
| 11:35.55 | thopiekar | aaah ok so the compiled files will be in the working folder? |
| 11:36.14 | thopiekar | so the other way around as I thought before, right? |
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| 11:41.11 | javispedro | i switched the autocompleter too late |
| 11:41.25 | javispedro | now my spanish dictionary is nearly useless lol |
| 11:41.46 | javispedro | luckily I know which file to delete |
| 11:41.59 | Stskeeps | javispedro: what other stuff were you involved with btw? |
| 11:42.36 | javispedro | trolling some other english-speaking boards and such :) |
| 11:43.30 | javispedro | oh, you mean "serious stuff"? just libicd-network-wpa, openttd & dosbox |
| 11:43.44 | Stskeeps | ah, but openttd is useful too ;) |
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| 11:44.35 | Stskeeps | just pondering if you ever considered giving a hand with Mer, you seem to have enough drive even for insane feats (libicd-network-wpa), so :P |
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| 11:45.39 | thopiekar | whould the cd'ing where work? |
| 11:45.39 | thopiekar | alsa_configure: cd ./alsa-lib |
| 11:45.40 | thopiekar | alsa_configure-stamp $(alsa_configure_biarch_stamp) |
| 11:45.55 | Stskeeps | right, scared one person away |
| 11:45.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:45.59 | Macer | heh. i am still a little amazed about enron |
| 11:46.11 | Macer | that was an awesome movie |
| 11:46.13 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Mer? The horror! :P |
| 11:46.14 | thopiekar | or do I have to put into $(xy)? |
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| 11:46.31 | Macer | it was like a mafia movie. they always end bad |
| 11:46.49 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: at least it wasn't deblet |
| 11:46.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:47.11 | Stskeeps | ooh, thumb scrollbar |
| 11:47.19 | Stskeeps | hugs qwerty12_N810 |
| 11:47.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, that Cheese picture with your Marlboro :p |
| 11:47.30 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
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| 11:47.39 | Stskeeps | wb javispedro |
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| 11:47.48 | javispedro | this is the problem with wi-fi... |
| 11:47.59 | Stskeeps | javispedro: just pondering if you ever considered giving a hand with Mer, you seem to have enough drive even for insane feats (libicd-network-wpa), so :P |
| 11:48.36 | javispedro | libicd-network-wpa code is pretty insane indeed :P |
| 11:49.13 | javispedro | either way i'd prefer to get the "diablo community SSU" first |
| 11:49.33 | Stskeeps | admittedly |
| 11:49.53 | Stskeeps | but i think time has shown noone is willing to do it on their own accord really |
| 11:50.03 | Stskeeps | it's a massive undertaking |
| 11:50.27 | javispedro | i'm not thinking That big |
| 11:50.52 | Stskeeps | well, i'm thinking that it's not something you'd "just" do in your free time :) |
| 11:51.01 | javispedro | just congregating most already existing bugfixes into a nice flashable image |
| 11:51.04 | Stskeeps | it's not replacing everything in diablo, but still a lot of logistics |
| 11:51.24 | Stskeeps | and even "nice flashable image" is hell - i've paved some of the way for it through Mer already |
| 11:51.48 | Stskeeps | we have an agreement we can basically distribute nokia sw through maemo.org to nokia tablet users, which is a huge one |
| 11:51.51 | javispedro | :( |
| 11:52.18 | Stskeeps | so we'll see where it leads |
| 11:52.34 | javispedro | agreed |
| 11:53.31 | thopiekar | is there a place where to get working debian-sourcefolders? I just noticed now that mine isn't working.. |
| 11:53.33 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d2bf247e |
| 11:54.15 | thopiekar | this one is from ubuntu.. [apt-get source] |
| 11:55.42 | lcuk | where would i look if i wanted to put a global key hook |
| 11:56.04 | qwerty12_N810 | I added one once by modifying hildon-desktop... |
| 11:56.06 | lcuk | so that if i were running any app icould just press a key and have my app monitor/react |
| 11:56.16 | lcuk | :) thanks qwerty |
| 11:57.03 | qwerty12_N810 | It has one to bring up the global search so I added another one to run another program |
| 11:57.04 | thopiekar | is now looking at http://packages.debian.org/stable/ |
| 11:57.20 | javispedro | my next "objective" is #3250 |
| 11:57.27 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, global search? |
| 11:57.47 | javispedro | but initial exploration reveals it may be even harder that pap :( |
| 11:58.09 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: yeah, the built in search prog. it comes with - 'tis referred to as osso-global-search |
| 11:58.24 | lcuk | ive never encountered it lol |
| 11:58.35 | lcuk | i recall a desktop widget for searching |
| 11:58.57 | Macer | Stskeeps: make mer use an opensolaris kernel :) |
| 11:59.30 | Macer | then it would be awesome |
| 11:59.55 | Stskeeps | Macer: i would still love opensolaris on a sheevaplug or on a openrd client.. |
| 12:02.43 | thopiekar | ok the package from packages.debain.org is working.. |
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| 12:03.26 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: so what are you blowing up these days? |
| 12:04.50 | thopiekar | a static package of portaudio19! I'm working now on myself on it, because nobody on talk.maemo.org wants to make that package for me.. |
| 12:04.51 | javispedro | and I am still thinking... won't you need a newer in-kernel alsa if you're using a newer libasound? |
| 12:04.55 | thopiekar | dunno |
| 12:05.05 | thopiekar | just trying to get it working.. |
| 12:05.06 | thopiekar | :P |
| 12:05.50 | qwerty12_N810 | Considering that Maemo's libasound is quite modified (dumbed-down TBH), will you be able to even hear sound with your newer build? :P |
| 12:06.24 | javispedro | btw does alsa work on maemo? i though all mixing was done through "optimized" esd. |
| 12:07.15 | javispedro | afaik the default sdl sound driver is esd for a reason (i dont' know which reason, so don' ask :P) |
| 12:07.27 | thopiekar | no.. I even uploaded one months ago and it breaked builds on extras... now I want to include the libs into the sourcefolder of portaudio19.. so it will build the newest alsa-libs and use them to build portaudio19 |
| 12:07.52 | oespirit_ | javispedro: is maemo esound different from upstream ? |
| 12:07.55 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: esd is built with --disable-alsa --enable-dsp afaik... |
| 12:07.58 | thopiekar | finally it will build portaudio19 staticly, so the libs will be not needed anymore |
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| 12:10.07 | javispedro | oespirit_: already answered, i guess :) |
| 12:10.11 | thopiekar | how do I know where dpkg-buildpackage starts with? always with clean: ? |
| 12:11.46 | javispedro | you mean, which debian/rules rule? |
| 12:11.53 | thopiekar | yes.. |
| 12:13.57 | oespirit_ | javispedro: yup. thank god for no source changes from upstream in this one |
| 12:15.13 | javispedro | i somehow find hard to believe the upstream esd has a configure option for "--enable-using-omap-dsp-tasks-for-mixing" |
| 12:15.25 | Stskeeps | javispedro: asound does.. |
| 12:15.28 | Stskeeps | i think |
| 12:15.37 | Stskeeps | either way, there's one of them that has the maemo dsp stuff |
| 12:15.51 | thopiekar | sounds a little bit funny xD , javispedro |
| 12:16.16 | thopiekar | a very short option for sure :P |
| 12:16.54 | javispedro | i don't really know maybe there is a standard "dsp api" and esd just supports that |
| 12:18.13 | javispedro | thopiekar: sorry for not answering, though the answer was in dpkg-buildpackage man page but is not |
| 12:18.46 | thopiekar | so? isn't jeremiah here? |
| 12:18.50 | thopiekar | jeremiah: PING |
| 12:19.15 | qwerty12_N810 | It's Sunday: he's not obligated to work ;P |
| 12:19.57 | thopiekar | hehe working for a community like ours there is no weekend just 24/7 working :D |
| 12:20.02 | javispedro | out to lunch (dont know the polite way to say that in irc :p) |
| 12:20.11 | thopiekar | hehe |
| 12:21.31 | thopiekar | Who wants to bet with me that javispedros leaving is cause his wifi? |
| 12:21.32 | thopiekar | :P |
| 12:26.05 | thopiekar | so does someone know where dpkg-buildpackage usually starts in rules? |
| 12:26.42 | Jaffa | thopiekar: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/Makefile?root=mud-builder&view=markup is the smallest I've had work |
| 12:27.39 | thopiekar | so the order is.. clean compile and install? |
| 12:28.41 | thopiekar | some rules files are using "build: " are they used to do the same like compile: ? |
| 12:29.07 | Jaffa | Beyond my knowledge now :-/ |
| 12:29.38 | thopiekar | :| |
| 12:32.57 | thopiekar | what about putting in commands like cd /some/dir/? |
| 12:33.12 | thopiekar | just writing it in as in the terminal |
| 12:33.42 | thopiekar | and where is the difference between "$(command)" and "command" |
| 12:33.44 | thopiekar | ? |
| 12:34.14 | Jaffa | thopiekar: "$(command)" runs a command and returns its output; command just runs the command. |
| 12:34.22 | Jaffa | There are some really good Makefile tutorials out there, FWIW |
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| 12:34.52 | thopiekar | what do you mean with FWIW? :P |
| 12:35.07 | lcuk | for what its worth |
| 12:35.31 | lcuk | smiles |
| 12:35.40 | lcuk | hopefully i just removed a bug |
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| 12:36.29 | lcuk | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! |
| 12:39.38 | thopiekar | :D |
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| 12:41.30 | thopiekar | got this rules in my editor.. and it doesn't want to clean alsa by alsa_clean.. |
| 12:41.31 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d68723173 |
| 12:41.49 | thopiekar | http://pastebin.com/d71855a69 |
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| 12:42.52 | thopiekar | got a new idea.. |
| 12:43.36 | qwerty12_N810 | I'd be pretty confused too if I just concatenated one rules file onto another :) |
| 12:43.38 | thopiekar | nah better nod :D |
| 12:44.47 | thopiekar | hehe thats why i added to libasounds commands the prefix alsa_ |
| 12:46.05 | thopiekar | If I would execute in ./alsa-lib just ./configure and make it would place the libs into src where the sources are, right? |
| 12:46.20 | RST38h | deb packaging system looks like a major fuckup... |
| 12:46.28 | thopiekar | :D |
| 12:47.00 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: No, that's CDBS :) |
| 12:47.09 | RST38h | how do they package using this at all? by copying and pasting from other debs? |
| 12:47.18 | thopiekar | it would be better as getting to rules-files together.. isn't it qwerty12_N810? |
| 12:47.52 | RST38h | qwerty: horror. |
| 12:48.00 | thopiekar | RST38h: this stupid rules-file is my work xD |
| 12:48.18 | thopiekar | just want to get a static portaudio19 package... |
| 12:48.27 | thopiekar | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29847 |
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| 12:50.01 | RST38h | has yet to see a straight rules-file though |
| 12:50.01 | thopiekar | qwerty12_N810: what do you think? |
| 12:51.05 | qwerty12_N810 | thopiekar: dunno, it's been a long while since i compiled multiple builds from one rules |
| 12:51.20 | thopiekar | k |
| 12:52.47 | thopiekar | libs are called *.o, right? |
| 12:54.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: strings successfully included |
| 12:54.39 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 12:55.11 | Stskeeps | (they're in Devel now if you want them) |
| 12:55.22 | timeless_mbp | i was just going to ask :) |
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| 12:56.52 | javispedro | i can't get the tablet's XChat to remember my nickserv password |
| 12:57.09 | javispedro | it seems to send an "invalid password" |
| 12:57.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: if you're interested in doing en_US string set for osso-xterm you're also more than welcome |
| 12:57.38 | timeless_mbp | didn't i? |
| 12:57.47 | Stskeeps | hm |
| 12:57.54 | timeless_mbp | did you check diablo-extras-devel? |
| 12:59.10 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: there was no localization in osso-xterm in diablo, and i can't find it :P |
| 12:59.39 | Stskeeps | (something new) |
| 12:59.41 | timeless_mbp | well, it's in my translated pool here :) |
| 12:59.46 | timeless_mbp | it's possible i never pushed |
| 13:00.24 | Stskeeps | possible |
| 13:00.49 | Stskeeps | did you read my idea about double-dependancy? |
| 13:01.37 | Stskeeps | admittedly this means that a language pack doesn't follow the applications installed |
| 13:02.20 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 13:02.23 | timeless_mbp | sorry |
| 13:02.38 | timeless_mbp | it seems my xterm deb is unhappy |
| 13:03.22 | Stskeeps | basically that we have language-pack-enus, which depends on maemo-af-desktop-l10n-enus1, etc -- and maemo-af-desktop-l10n-enus1 depends on language-pack-en-us |
| 13:03.26 | Stskeeps | enus, that is |
| 13:04.38 | Stskeeps | that'd make it uninstallable |
| 13:06.02 | Stskeeps | (afaik such double-dependancy is possible) |
| 13:06.46 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 13:07.09 | timeless_mbp | so, my system now has an osso xterm mo file |
| 13:07.43 | timeless_mbp | *but*, xterm isn't picking it up? |
| 13:08.10 | timeless_mbp | um, why can't i install screen? |
| 13:08.20 | Stskeeps | what error are you getting? |
| 13:09.20 | timeless_mbp | i suppose disabling the ubuntu repo didn't help :) |
| 13:10.09 | Stskeeps | for crying out loud.. ok, i know why it isn't applying the strings |
| 13:13.02 | Stskeeps | because there's a nice N_ in front of it which means it doesn't try to gettext it |
| 13:16.16 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 13:16.21 | timeless_mbp | that's probably some other macro |
| 13:17.29 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 13:17.33 | Stskeeps | grabs later osso-xterm |
| 13:18.00 | timeless_mbp | btw, backspace isn't working in screen |
| 13:19.36 | Stskeeps | potentially a libvte issue |
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| 13:20.54 | thopiekar | why isn't it working? http://pastebin.com/d37567426 |
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| 13:23.27 | javispedro | i suggest you take a look at the gnu make manual |
| 13:23.55 | javispedro | you can't iinvoke make rules that way |
| 13:24.14 | javispedro | either do $(MAKE) rule |
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| 13:24.20 | javispedro | or put it as a dependency |
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| 13:24.31 | javispedro | (aka after the : in rule definition) |
| 13:25.14 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i can't figure out how to get sources for osso-xterm |
| 13:25.39 | timeless_mbp | i added deb-src for things and apt-get update'd |
| 13:26.01 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah, we don't have deb-src at the moment due to a bug in OBS. i've just upgraded osso-xterm to latest tag as well |
| 13:26.05 | Stskeeps | that should help things a bit |
| 13:26.36 | timeless_mbp | can you give me a url for sources so i could just read them? |
| 13:26.52 | timeless_mbp | is it garage hosted? |
| 13:26.55 | Jaffa | Anyone know if Cairo is going to be gfx-accelerated on Maemo 5 devices? |
| 13:27.10 | timeless_mbp | i don't think so |
| 13:27.18 | Jaffa | Just Clutter. Damn. |
| 13:27.23 | lcuk | cairo renders onto gtk doesnt it |
| 13:27.34 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah, projects/osso-xterm |
| 13:27.37 | lcuk | theres still technically a chance |
| 13:27.38 | Jaffa | lcuk: Gtk renders using Cairo would be more accurate AIUI |
| 13:27.39 | timeless_mbp | http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/osso-xterm/osso-xterm/trunk/src/terminal-settings.c |
| 13:27.41 | Stskeeps | go for tags, not trunk |
| 13:28.08 | timeless_mbp | in that version, it definitely uses _ in places |
| 13:28.18 | lcuk | jaffa, lol yeah i meant cairo targets gtk surfaces, and is called and used from within gtk apps :P |
| 13:29.01 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: that version is 18 months old :P |
| 13:29.11 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah, but well, sources are sources |
| 13:29.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: if this build goes through we should have pannable area osso-xterm |
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| 13:29.46 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: hehe, that sounds awesome :) |
| 13:30.01 | javispedro | with copy&paste? |
| 13:30.24 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 13:30.37 | Stskeeps | we'll see how it works |
| 13:31.00 | Stskeeps | if anything, hardcore nerds can use screen for copy-paste :P |
| 13:31.34 | javispedro | that wont copy to the X clipboard afaik |
| 13:31.44 | thopiekar | javispedro: but why can't it find 'alsa_dep: '? |
| 13:32.21 | javispedro | thopiekar: because that is a make rule. you can invoke that as a "command" |
| 13:32.40 | thopiekar | hmm |
| 13:32.41 | javispedro | can -> cannot (autocomplete failed) |
| 13:33.35 | thopiekar | but why are there commands like "build-xy" in "build: "'s? |
| 13:34.10 | timeless_mbp | those are dh_RANDOMCRAP |
| 13:34.18 | timeless_mbp | and those are actually things in $PATH |
| 13:34.32 | timeless_mbp | try: which dh_strip |
| 13:35.08 | thopiekar | /usr/bin/dh_strip |
| 13:35.18 | timeless_mbp | see? it's a command |
| 13:36.22 | thopiekar | so how can I make the rules file executing everything in "alsa_dep: "? |
| 13:36.35 | javispedro | told you |
| 13:36.48 | javispedro | use $(MAKE) alsa_dep |
| 13:36.57 | javispedro | or put alsa_dep as a dependency |
| 13:37.18 | javispedro | (after the : in the rule definition) |
| 13:37.42 | javispedro | like this: "clean: alsa_dep" |
| 13:37.56 | thopiekar | aah! ok got it now.. :P |
| 13:38.02 | thopiekar | will try it out now |
| 13:39.03 | javispedro | do you think I can replace my debian chroot with mer and still use it like a chroot? |
| 13:39.36 | javispedro | can I easily install latest ubuntu gcc for example? |
| 13:39.51 | javispedro | or will it broke like maemo? |
| 13:41.21 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, my file is checked |
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| 13:45.31 | javispedro | maybe I should just clone diablo to sd and use that as my dev chroot |
| 13:50.06 | javispedro | forget that.. debian's the only one still packaging antlr1 |
| 13:52.37 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, afaict, there aren't any po's packaged/available for osso-xterm |
| 13:52.47 | timeless_mbp | which version of it am i translating? |
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| 13:52.57 | Razumihin | hmm... how do i connect my bt headphones to maemo :P |
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| 13:53.39 | Razumihin | i have paired them but hf does not automatically connect and i cannot find connect option anywhere. |
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| 13:55.53 | susan | I want to make my result the recognize function has recognized displayed on a button label,how should i do? |
| 13:55.58 | Razumihin | ok. i found it under edit bluetooth device dialog :) |
| 13:56.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: mh22, i'm building it right now |
| 13:57.07 | susan | Now,it doesn't display normally |
| 13:57.36 | susan | is there anybody knowing anything about it ? |
| 13:57.43 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: 0.14mh22 that is |
| 13:58.24 | susan | any idea? |
| 13:59.30 | timeless_mbp | hrm, wtf? |
| 13:59.30 | man_in_shack | i should probably get another microsd to screw around with |
| 13:59.37 | man_in_shack | cloned diablo to sd would be useful, i guess |
| 13:59.40 | timeless_mbp | h |
| 13:59.48 | timeless_mbp | did they actually try to use identifiers? |
| 14:01.06 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: seems like they use fremantle menus now |
| 14:01.20 | GAN800 | Pavlov, not when the general purpose CPU is so underpowered compared to the competition. I mean, you DO like to browse the web and whatnot, right? Well, Tegra's beefed up GPU aint gonna help you there. |
| 14:01.34 | Stskeeps | seems Mer actually -works- with Fremantle menus, that's nice |
| 14:01.39 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-fremantle-menus.png |
| 14:02.30 | man_in_shack | um, is that screenshot of what you wanted? |
| 14:02.47 | timeless_mbp | man_in_shack: oddly, yes |
| 14:02.58 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: stupid question... |
| 14:03.01 | timeless_mbp | how do you get to "settings"? |
| 14:03.08 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: i'm not sure there's any |
| 14:03.11 | Stskeeps | REMOVEDINFREMANTLE? |
| 14:03.20 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: click the red x to the right of pgdn? |
| 14:03.37 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: fullscreen |
| 14:03.39 | man_in_shack | sleep time for me |
| 14:03.47 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: of course! |
| 14:03.53 | timeless_mbp | why didn't i think of that.... |
| 14:04.04 | timeless_mbp | what part of the document icon gave that away? :) |
| 14:04.06 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: gconf-editor :P |
| 14:04.19 | javispedro | no hard fullscreen button? yet another thing I prefer I didn't know lol |
| 14:04.22 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: fremantle icons are (C) NOKIA CONFIDENTIAL or something :P |
| 14:04.38 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: that's because we don't know what they'll be yet :) |
| 14:04.44 | timeless_mbp | confidential: no one knows |
| 14:04.55 | Stskeeps | more like the SDK icons are closed too |
| 14:04.57 | timeless_mbp | actually, that falls under "secret" |
| 14:05.05 | Stskeeps | hence our pervasive lack of icons |
| 14:05.24 | timeless_mbp | the red x is gtk's "no icon available" |
| 14:06.14 | ShadowJK | is the number of missing icons smaller or bigger than the number of people on the icon making team? |
| 14:06.26 | timeless_mbp | i've missed the icon team :) |
| 14:06.37 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: you mean wazd? :P |
| 14:07.03 | timeless_mbp | or rather "I must have missed the icon team" |
| 14:07.07 | ShadowJK | has been reading dilbert archives and assumed there'd be 15 people trying to make 3 icons |
| 14:07.35 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: in open source there's usually very few artists and those who are good are rare |
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| 14:08.57 | Stskeeps | oh this is curious |
| 14:09.10 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, why I assumed Nokia would have bribed someone to do icons for fremantle |
| 14:09.13 | Stskeeps | hildon menu is context sensitive - if i have something marked, "Copy" showed up |
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| 14:09.55 | javispedro | that's on the ui guidelines afaik |
| 14:09.55 | timeless_mbp | yes, but where's select all? :) |
| 14:10.08 | javispedro | "disabled options must be hidden" |
| 14:10.09 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: breaking your finger on the device screen |
| 14:10.10 | timeless_mbp | if you copy something, you should see paste the next time you try the menu |
| 14:10.18 | javispedro | or something like that |
| 14:12.12 | javispedro | repeteadly smashing the device screen is the official gesture for closing hung application then? ;) |
| 14:13.05 | timeless_mbp | no, there's a power key |
| 14:13.13 | timeless_mbp | and it has an end task item |
| 14:13.24 | timeless_mbp | whether it works is ... |
| 14:13.57 | ShadowJK | as long as the right parts of X, GTK/GQ, etc aren't paged out, I guess |
| 14:15.13 | javispedro | or if the current application has an active X grab/menu opened |
| 14:15.46 | javispedro | aka most cause of "my Linux is frozen help!" |
| 14:16.24 | ShadowJK | ha |
| 14:18.06 | timeless_mbp | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-22/ |
| 14:21.08 | timeless_mbp | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-14/ |
| 14:21.35 | javispedro | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-06-28/ today's made me laugh too |
| 14:22.17 | ShadowJK | if I turn off javascript in firefox, dilbert.com/fast becomes fast for real :-) |
| 14:23.20 | ShadowJK | those ads :/ |
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| 14:26.56 | Stskeeps | http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200906c.brief.htm#012 <- pretty good engineering if the building didn't fall into pieces at all.. |
| 14:27.27 | RST38h | Hmm... iPhone 3GS costs $179 to make |
| 14:28.09 | timeless_mbp | it fell as a whole, sideways? |
| 14:28.47 | RST38h | Sts: I have seen a few folks discuss these photos. Their suggestion was that the building is made of concrete poured onto metal frame |
| 14:29.10 | RST38h | Sts: So, naturally, it would be rather difficult to break apart on its own |
| 14:29.54 | Stskeeps | indeed |
| 14:30.07 | javispedro | big photos... tablet slowing... browserd going to crash... i can already feel it |
| 14:30.22 | RST38h | javis: use desktop pc instead? =) |
| 14:31.09 | ShadowJK | it's strange how after it has loaded an image, but is still displaying it, you suddenly have 14 megs free. Like as if it made 5 copies in ram of the image before displaying it or something :/ |
| 14:32.21 | RST38h | HTML DOM sucks. |
| 14:32.27 | javispedro | survived |
| 14:32.51 | ShadowJK | browserd never/rarely crashed for me loading big images |
| 14:33.06 | lcuk | you aren't trying hard enough |
| 14:33.06 | ShadowJK | however, the watchdog likes to reset the device after awhile :) |
| 14:33.59 | RST38h | never hit the watchdog over here |
| 14:34.14 | RST38h | strange, but true |
| 14:34.42 | ShadowJK | I disabled it with the flasher once I figured out you could do that |
| 14:35.12 | ShadowJK | Now when accidentally opening a larger image I'll just put the tablet down and wait an hour for it to recover from swapping :-) |
| 14:35.22 | ShadowJK | whereas before it'd reboot after a minute or so |
| 14:35.25 | javispedro | it seems like if browserd was reniced -1 or something |
| 14:35.28 | ShadowJK | isn't sure which one is better |
| 14:35.30 | qwerty12_N810 | /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_restarts: /usr/bin/metalayer-crawler -F : 34 :( |
| 14:35.32 | ShadowJK | nah it isn't |
| 14:35.52 | thopiekar | why isn't it possible to cd into another folder in [debian|rules]? |
| 14:35.52 | ShadowJK | But swapping to SD is so damn slow |
| 14:35.57 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: we should get Luke-Jr to make a free version of FTD.. |
| 14:36.02 | javispedro | no swap |
| 14:36.21 | ShadowJK | javispedro, you can't cheat like that, it still swaps :-) |
| 14:36.25 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: we should :P |
| 14:36.28 | thopiekar | I switched to ./alsa-lib, followed by some commands |
| 14:36.28 | ShadowJK | though only mapped pages |
| 14:36.35 | ShadowJK | it can't swap anonymous pages |
| 14:36.41 | thopiekar | but it isn't executing them there.. |
| 14:36.45 | javispedro | of course |
| 14:37.07 | qwerty12_N810 | thopiekar: run commands on the same line like: cd whatever && make etc |
| 14:37.18 | javispedro | but e.g. tear hangs itself but does not hang hildon-desktop |
| 14:37.20 | thopiekar | aah k |
| 14:37.29 | thopiekar | will try that out :P |
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| 14:38.27 | javispedro | wow forget that the whole tablet froze for 10 seconds |
| 14:38.36 | ShadowJK | Yeah I've noticed differences between tear and browserd too.. tear eats more memory, but its access pattern seems friendlier and doesn't cause huge latencies for other programs to get their pages back |
| 14:38.50 | javispedro | that page is horrible |
| 14:38.58 | javispedro | multiple flash objects |
| 14:39.00 | javispedro | huge images |
| 14:39.40 | ShadowJK | eh isn't it normal to have a half-minute freeze if for some inexplicable reason flash is enabled and you browse to a site with flash? :-) |
| 14:39.52 | thopiekar | where is the difference between -rm -f and rm -f? |
| 14:40.21 | qwerty12_N810 | rm -f doesn't need - as it always returns true... |
| 14:40.31 | thopiekar | k |
| 14:40.36 | thopiekar | thanks qwerty12_N810 |
| 14:40.38 | thopiekar | :) |
| 14:41.15 | ShadowJK | tear seems to be extremely fast on many pages, and extremely slow on some pages :/ |
| 14:41.55 | javispedro | ShadowJK: i noticed that |
| 14:41.57 | ShadowJK | browserd seems to be more consistent between pages |
| 14:42.18 | amr | is it just me or is pulling the side things in on fennec too easy? |
| 14:42.40 | amr | when i was playing with it i was doing it by accident all the time |
| 14:42.45 | ShadowJK | too easy? I couldn't figure out how |
| 14:42.56 | amr | lol |
| 14:43.14 | lcuk | gestures on a screen with multipurposes are evil |
| 14:43.26 | lcuk | and counter intruitive |
| 14:45.20 | amr | no kinetic scrolling seems to come close to how smooth liqbase is |
| 14:45.35 | Stskeeps | fennec on fremantle: you need 12 fingers to operate this machinery, please evolve |
| 14:45.43 | javispedro | requiring a thousand gestures for "back" is |
| 14:45.46 | javispedro | evil |
| 14:45.58 | ShadowJK | fennec on PC seemed nice enough.. like, the "Back" button is instant. Hope they port that to firefox :-) |
| 14:46.02 | lcuk | 1 single global button in liqbase - bottom left "back" |
| 14:46.23 | ShadowJK | but on tablet I still prefer browserd and tear |
| 14:46.31 | amr | im just using the standard browser |
| 14:46.32 | amr | gets the job done |
| 14:46.55 | lcuk | agreed, its a bit sluggish, but it works |
| 14:46.57 | javispedro | amr: me too. save for "new web 2.0" slashdot. |
| 14:47.16 | amr | oh i read about that, isn't it stupidly javascript heavy? |
| 14:47.20 | javispedro | from now on, "slowdot" |
| 14:47.30 | lcuk | slashnot ;) |
| 14:47.34 | amr | lol |
| 14:47.50 | lcuk | it times out my desktop pc at work |
| 14:47.52 | ShadowJK | well, slashdot is slow on my quad-core computer too... |
| 14:48.03 | amr | thankfully i dont read slashdot |
| 14:48.12 | lcuk | does often |
| 14:48.16 | lcuk | tho not at work |
| 14:48.19 | lcuk | unless compiling |
| 14:48.20 | lcuk | :D |
| 14:48.25 | amr | lol |
| 14:48.48 | lcuk | i like the continous front page now |
| 14:49.01 | javispedro | i don't |
| 14:49.10 | javispedro | it still confuses the heck out me |
| 14:49.24 | amr | right, back to unpacking |
| 14:49.26 | javispedro | did that sentence make any sense? |
| 14:49.28 | amr | coming home from uni is a pain in the arse |
| 14:49.32 | lcuk | this was the first place i saw that effect |
| 14:49.32 | lcuk | http://www.dzone.com/links/index.html |
| 14:49.38 | lcuk | and it works better there than slash |
| 14:49.56 | amr | oh thats kinda smart |
| 14:50.42 | lcuk | yeah, the site content isnt too bad either :) |
| 14:50.45 | javispedro | im looking for a specific headline, scroll bottom, and, since there are no more headlines, click yesterday |
| 14:51.09 | javispedro | but guess wait? the headline i'm looking for is not there either! |
| 14:51.10 | lcuk | yesterday/today/tomorrow is always confusing because it uses us timezones |
| 14:51.25 | lcuk | so having a continuous scroll is worthwhile |
| 14:51.38 | lcuk | i dont like the jump when you click the text |
| 14:51.45 | lcuk | im a constant random clicker (not on links) |
| 14:51.48 | Macer | why don't people just give up on spam |
| 14:51.58 | lcuk | cos its neutricious and nice |
| 14:52.01 | Macer | i mean cmon.. buy cheap rx drugs... watches...? |
| 14:52.03 | lcuk | +spelling |
| 14:52.10 | javispedro | lcuk: makes finger scrolling in the tablet next to impossible |
| 14:52.21 | Macer | your lost nigerian uncle millionaire who left you money |
| 14:52.23 | lcuk | javispedro, thats a point yeah it would |
| 14:52.33 | lcuk | Macer, you have one too? |
| 14:52.40 | Macer | lcuk: haha |
| 14:52.58 | Macer | well. i just noticed my gmail acct had like 1200 spams |
| 14:53.06 | lcuk | heh is that all :D |
| 14:53.12 | Macer | and they are all so obviously stupid... |
| 14:53.20 | lcuk | thats why they are in spam |
| 14:53.23 | lcuk | gmail is v good |
| 14:53.39 | Macer | i'm suprised they don't have a show dedicated to going through the spam process to see what becomes of it :) |
| 14:53.50 | lcuk | my spam has approx 10000 at any one time |
| 14:53.50 | Macer | like answering the call from the nigerian uncle... buying the rx drugs.. etc |
| 14:54.02 | amr | hmms |
| 14:54.06 | Macer | yeah. gmail actually blocks a huge chunk of them |
| 14:54.06 | lcuk | depending on whos joe jobbed me at different times it rises up over 20-30k sometimes |
| 14:54.13 | amr | i wonder if vodafone will let me upgrade my handset to an android phone |
| 14:54.24 | Macer | joe jobbd? :) |
| 14:54.46 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_job |
| 14:55.28 | lcuk | theres a club in santa dominica called "the liquid lounge" or something, they decided to send out a "bulk marketing mail" to probably more people than the entire country |
| 14:55.39 | lcuk | my spam folder shot up to over 60k |
| 14:56.02 | lcuk | cos hotmail bounced pretty much every one of them back |
| 14:56.13 | Macer | haha |
| 14:56.47 | Macer | i guess anybody will do anything for something huh? |
| 14:56.52 | lcuk | yeah lol |
| 14:56.57 | Macer | what a waste of life :) |
| 14:56.59 | lcuk | i get the strangest real mails too |
| 14:57.23 | Macer | the nigerian uncle one was great though |
| 14:57.31 | Macer | i got a kick out of that one.. they put a lot of work behind the story :) |
| 14:57.35 | lcuk | meant to be sent to [someone].liquid@gmail people just copy and paste, and editors stop at the . |
| 14:58.14 | lcuk | Dear Netashia |
| 14:58.14 | lcuk | Thank you to give me the opportunity to send you my cv lm looking forwad to your positive respond |
| 14:58.14 | Macer | heh |
| 14:58.25 | lcuk | why have you sent me your cv? |
| 14:58.26 | Macer | hahaha |
| 14:58.33 | lcuk | Dear |
| 14:58.33 | lcuk | Thank you to give me the opportunity to send you my cv lm looking forwad to your positive respond |
| 14:58.41 | lcuk | Since you did not listen the first time. |
| 14:58.42 | lcuk | what a great CV. |
| 14:58.42 | lcuk | You can have the job. |
| 14:58.42 | lcuk | Come to my office in Manchester, England by 9am on Monday morning and work for me. |
| 14:58.42 | lcuk | How much do you expect to be paid per day? |
| 14:58.53 | Macer | lol! |
| 14:58.59 | Macer | you didn't :) |
| 14:59.14 | lcuk | im expecting them to start in the morning! |
| 14:59.21 | javispedro | lol |
| 14:59.26 | Macer | hahhahaha |
| 14:59.29 | lcuk | commute will be long though, hes from south africa |
| 14:59.34 | Macer | that's just cold blooded man |
| 14:59.40 | Macer | what if someone actually went? :) |
| 14:59.45 | javispedro | did she have any experience in computing? |
| 14:59.54 | Macer | it's ok. they can call their nigerian uncle to send them some cash to get back |
| 15:00.05 | lcuk | zulu actually |
| 15:00.15 | lcuk | with no criminal record |
| 15:00.32 | Macer | lol |
| 15:00.53 | javispedro | first employee of the month in "liquid enterprises" then I guess ;) |
| 15:01.14 | Macer | anybody that puts "no criminal record" on a cv :) |
| 15:01.18 | Macer | should never get the job haha |
| 15:01.25 | lcuk | i guess you need to depending on location |
| 15:01.41 | lcuk | i wouldnt mark someone down if they did that |
| 15:01.49 | lcuk | especially if they came from a high crime area |
| 15:02.10 | lcuk | slightly different expectations and stuff |
| 15:02.10 | Macer | lol i would throw it in the garbage |
| 15:02.19 | lcuk | hes only one person tho, i get regular cvs |
| 15:02.23 | Macer | good news! i was never arrested! |
| 15:02.46 | Macer | haha.. isn't that just something you're supposed to do? :) i'm sure a small criminal background check would dig anything up rather quickly |
| 15:02.50 | lcuk | and normally they understand and find the correct address, i dont want them wasting their time |
| 15:02.55 | Macer | although i've seen some people make it through the cracks. |
| 15:03.04 | Macer | our company hired a child predator |
| 15:03.06 | Macer | lol |
| 15:03.18 | Macer | later on someone was going through the registry just joking around putting people's names in |
| 15:03.24 | Macer | and his name popped up for real! |
| 15:03.26 | lcuk | :S depends if the job was catching children |
| 15:03.38 | Macer | lol... he was a child sexual predator |
| 15:03.49 | Macer | who fled to IL and didn't register as an offender |
| 15:03.52 | lcuk | then not good at all |
| 15:03.54 | Macer | went to jail :) |
| 15:04.14 | lcuk | should have certain bodily organs removed if you ask me |
| 15:04.18 | Macer | the idiot went to change his car registration |
| 15:04.25 | lcuk | like liver, heart... |
| 15:04.27 | Macer | from KY to IL and got red flagged haha |
| 15:04.45 | Macer | left the state without letting them know... then didn't register in IL :) |
| 15:04.59 | Macer | sorry bastard.. we took copies of his pervert file and posted it all over the place |
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| 15:05.24 | lcuk | you would get flagged, but if you serve your time and you dont try to work anywhere requiring background checks people should be able to work |
| 15:05.47 | lcuk | technically you shouldnt be doing that either i dont think |
| 15:05.50 | Macer | lcuk: screw that. i don't want a registered pervert |
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| 15:06.03 | Macer | especially someone with access to information like.. what hours you work.. how many children you have.. etc |
| 15:06.28 | lcuk | then your job needs correct background checks |
| 15:06.32 | lcuk | i agree |
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| 15:06.46 | Macer | i will give a break to say.. the guy who had sex with a 16 yr old when he was 17 or 18 |
| 15:07.01 | lcuk | you wouldnt get past the first red flag on the db |
| 15:07.04 | Macer | but not the 30something yr old who was "sexual abuse of a child less than 14 years of age" |
| 15:07.12 | lcuk | 5 years after the fact it doesnt matter why |
| 15:07.26 | Macer | the entire life it doesn't matter why |
| 15:07.27 | lcuk | i dont think its disclosed about severity |
| 15:07.38 | Macer | lcuk: it is to some extent |
| 15:07.50 | Macer | the registry will tell you if someone abused a child under a certain age |
| 15:07.58 | Macer | or if they are a "sexual predator" |
| 15:08.00 | lcuk | people over here have been put on the sexual offenders registry for shagging innanimate objects |
| 15:08.08 | Macer | which means they prey on abusing children or their crime was as such |
| 15:08.43 | lcuk | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/10/26/bike_incident/ |
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| 15:08.53 | Macer | either way it goes. i would always refuse to hire someone that is on the registry |
| 15:09.09 | Macer | they can go to hell for all i care. which is where they will wind up :) |
| 15:09.56 | Macer | some states invoke the death penalty for raping children |
| 15:09.56 | lcuk | that guy who had a purely loving relationship with his bike in the privacy of his living room will never have a decent job again |
| 15:09.58 | Stskeeps | how about a 16yo going into sex offender registry for having sex with his 16yo gf? |
| 15:10.12 | Macer | Stskeeps: lol |
| 15:10.13 | lcuk | Macer, totally agree |
| 15:10.15 | Macer | is that possible? |
| 15:10.18 | lcuk | yes |
| 15:10.27 | Stskeeps | Macer: according to us news it is |
| 15:10.28 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 15:10.49 | thopiekar | if I uninstall libasound-dev on my home pc and try to build portaudio which would need it and I would build.. this would mean that my static package would work, right? |
| 15:10.53 | lcuk | someone was mentioning for crime purposes it shouldnt be the age of the perps, but the age difference |
| 15:10.56 | Macer | did he rape her? |
| 15:11.02 | lcuk | technically yes |
| 15:11.14 | GAN800 | How about the 16yo girl who sent naked pictures of herself to her 16yo boyfriend. |
| 15:11.16 | thopiekar | can't wait trying his new package this way out |
| 15:11.18 | thopiekar | :P |
| 15:11.24 | GAN800 | She's a sex offender. |
| 15:11.51 | Stskeeps | thank god for sane danish age of consent |
| 15:12.10 | lcuk | Macer, a flag on a database does not indicate the severity of the crime |
| 15:12.15 | Macer | lol |
| 15:12.24 | Macer | lcuk: it depends on teh crime |
| 15:12.25 | GAN800 | Macer, the shit you can do to get on that list is . . . frightening. |
| 15:12.28 | Macer | i will be back in a few |
| 15:12.44 | Macer | and show you a registry that shows certain aspects of disgustingness |
| 15:12.45 | Macer | :) |
| 15:12.48 | Macer | bbl |
| 15:12.53 | GAN800 | Taking a piss in public within half a mile of a school at any time of dat? |
| 15:12.54 | lcuk | macer, you are on the register or you are not |
| 15:13.02 | GAN800 | s/dat/day/ |
| 15:13.18 | GAN800 | Macer, absolutism is rarely useful. |
| 15:13.22 | javispedro | now that impressed me, infobot |
| 15:13.23 | lcuk | what if you are stood just outside the 1/2 mile radius but the wind blows? |
| 15:13.49 | javispedro | s/infobot/$RANDOM_BOT |
| 15:13.55 | javispedro | s/infobot/$RANDOM_BOT/ |
| 15:14.02 | lcuk | you need to learn regex |
| 15:14.17 | javispedro | I seriously do :( lol |
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| 15:14.40 | xnt14[laptop] | ~seen b-man16 |
| 15:14.42 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@adsl-90.dacor.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 22m 18s ago, saying: 'i think that it requires enabling some functions in the kernel'. |
| 15:14.48 | xnt14[laptop] | :P |
| 15:14.53 | javispedro | wait. I do know regex. i just do not know sed or awk or whatever syntax that is |
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| 15:16.33 | thopiekar | nobody on #alsa is replying soo.. do you know where to set up LDFLAGS="-Lalsa-lib/xy".. there is a include folder in alsa-lib... |
| 15:16.50 | thopiekar | is this the right folder.. |
| 15:17.03 | thopiekar | I just think so, but not sure.. |
| 15:17.20 | javispedro | does it contain libasound.a |
| 15:17.28 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: have you had success using dummy_umac to build diablo's cx3110x? tried it y/day and I couldn't get it to work... thinking of using Mamona's patch to take the symbols from umac.ko |
| 15:17.35 | javispedro | s/.a/.a?/ |
| 15:18.19 | thopiekar | javispedro: no just asoundlib.h |
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| 15:20.12 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i thought thats what we're doing |
| 15:20.19 | javispedro | thopiekar: did you put LDFLAGS="BLABLA" before ./configure in debian/rules |
| 15:21.09 | thopiekar | which ./configure? the one of portaudio19 or alsa-lib? |
| 15:21.26 | timeless_mbp | http://www.dilbert.com/fast/2009-05-25/ |
| 15:21.32 | javispedro | the one which should use that LDFLAGS which I assume is portaudio |
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| 15:21.55 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: give me the url of the en .po file you want translated :) |
| 15:22.25 | thopiekar | yes I do |
| 15:23.07 | thopiekar | but I think I have to remove the installed package libasound-dev from my pc |
| 15:23.27 | javispedro | but there's no libasound.a file there.. did the asound build finish? |
| 15:23.28 | thopiekar | s/libasound-dev/libasound2-dev |
| 15:23.53 | thopiekar | should.. |
| 15:23.59 | lcuk | thopiekar, you are really confusing matters by just trying to merge all 3 |
| 15:24.13 | lcuk | whatever you do now it wont get past autobuilder |
| 15:24.29 | lcuk | you said you have built the newer asound |
| 15:24.34 | lcuk | and that it is in -devel |
| 15:25.00 | lcuk | as a packaged up simple normal thing |
| 15:25.41 | javispedro | wha? there's now a newer libasound in extras-devel? |
| 15:25.56 | javispedro | free device bricking for everyone interested! |
| 15:26.22 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: believe me, that was the case for a while =) |
| 15:26.42 | lcuk | if you just want it working on your personal device, best is to just build packages directly within each project, and use dpkg -i to install in places |
| 15:27.00 | lcuk | using scratchbox and clean source |
| 15:27.05 | lcuk | then copy them over |
| 15:27.40 | javispedro | but but but but won't installing that probably instatly mute the device? |
| 15:27.53 | javispedro | or did he build that from maemo sources? |
| 15:27.59 | lcuk | thopiekar is a pro |
| 15:28.11 | thopiekar | lol |
| 15:28.16 | thopiekar | not really.. |
| 15:28.32 | lcuk | and its a lesson if thats the case |
| 15:28.40 | lcuk | at least he will know its not possible lol |
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| 15:29.21 | javispedro | who wants to try on his n8x0 and get a free reflash as first prize? |
| 15:29.40 | thopiekar | but I already have upload a newer one.. and jeremiah contacted me after a month with the result of removing it from -devel |
| 15:29.44 | lcuk | thopiekar, really the best way to get it working is to break your problem into smaller chunks and get over each step. this merging you are attempting is like human surgery using a butter knife and UHU glue |
| 15:29.53 | lcuk | dont upload it |
| 15:30.00 | lcuk | just copy the package to your device |
| 15:30.04 | thopiekar | :P never again.. |
| 15:30.10 | lcuk | upload only when you are ready to show others |
| 15:31.08 | javispedro | ah, so it was removed |
| 15:31.57 | thopiekar | javispedro: yes that why you can find a broken package of portaudio19 in -devel.. |
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| 15:32.21 | javispedro | aha |
| 15:33.13 | thopiekar | :P this was mine.. compiled with the newer version of asound.. |
| 15:33.25 | thopiekar | just wanna replace it with a static one.. |
| 15:33.35 | javispedro | but the newer version of libasound didn't work |
| 15:34.00 | javispedro | it's not going to work either if it's statically linked |
| 15:34.23 | Macer | they have a kde pkg for opensolaris |
| 15:34.26 | Macer | awesome |
| 15:34.35 | Macer | i need to seriously get rid of gnome :) |
| 15:34.39 | Macer | it is driving me nuts |
| 15:34.43 | thopiekar | sure? portaudio should work fine.. said Math, a user of #mixxx.. |
| 15:36.24 | RST38h | Macer: And what are you going to use instead? =) |
| 15:36.34 | Macer | kde |
| 15:36.38 | Macer | :) |
| 15:36.42 | RST38h | Is it better? =)~ |
| 15:36.52 | Macer | it is prettier |
| 15:37.02 | RST38h | always thought KDE was very successful in emulating Windows |
| 15:37.09 | Macer | it is |
| 15:37.10 | RST38h | TOO successful, I mean :) |
| 15:37.13 | Macer | it is like the vista that doesn't suck |
| 15:37.16 | Macer | i know |
| 15:37.26 | Macer | i always figured there were coders in the ms basement pumping it out |
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| 15:37.40 | RST38h | Dunno, I found KDE too heavy and imposing |
| 15:37.43 | Macer | screw the man.. we are going to make windows our way! |
| 15:37.49 | Macer | heavy? |
| 15:37.51 | RST38h | Gnome did not feel like anything though, so I went with Gnome |
| 15:38.02 | Macer | and imposing? :) |
| 15:38.14 | Macer | gnome is like symbian |
| 15:38.25 | Macer | i suppose yeah it works.. but it is stuck in the past with its looks and feels |
| 15:38.28 | javispedro | yet again i got off |
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| 15:39.03 | Macer | i mean if i was stuck with an sx25 still i'd use blackbox or something and take the minimalist route. but cmon.. you can build a real nice box for less than $600 nowadays :) |
| 15:39.07 | Macer | who cares if something is bulky |
| 15:39.09 | thopiekar | is driving crazy it seem to work |
| 15:39.14 | javispedro | thopiekar: so you'll need to either hack portaudio or hack the maemo version of libasound.. or both |
| 15:39.16 | thopiekar | still compiling now.. |
| 15:39.17 | Macer | terabyte hard drives cost $150 heh |
| 15:40.26 | Macer | plus.. kde apps seem a lot more uniform |
| 15:40.34 | Macer | like having OK and CANCEL in the same place |
| 15:40.38 | Macer | :) |
| 15:40.48 | Macer | qt looks nicer than gtk |
| 15:40.52 | thopiekar | wooohhooo the portaudio19-xy packages are mine! |
| 15:49.25 | thopiekar | Macer: and its easier to make gui's with pyqt4 for python :) |
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| 15:50.05 | Macer | ugh python |
| 15:50.34 | thopiekar | Macer: hm? |
| 15:50.52 | Macer | lol... Sun is the new enron |
| 15:51.15 | Macer | "Membership in the Sun Developer Network is like having your own ALLACCESS Backstage Pass inside Sun!" |
| 15:54.05 | thopiekar | is reinstalling the maemoDiabloSDK |
| 15:54.42 | Macer | Employees approx. 22,000 in 2000 |
| 15:54.51 | Macer | approx. 4 as of 2008. |
| 15:54.51 | Macer | hahah! |
| 15:54.58 | Macer | who are the last 4 remaining enron employees?? |
| 15:55.13 | javispedro | rusty the janitor? |
| 15:56.06 | javispedro | s/rusty/scruffy/ |
| 15:56.23 | javispedro | can't even get futurama references ok |
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| 15:57.41 | lcuk | javispedro, don't you mean "can't even get futurama references right" ? |
| 15:58.00 | javispedro | probably, thanks :p |
| 15:58.04 | lcuk | :D |
| 15:58.37 | lcuk | Macer, those 4 employees are shredder repair men |
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| 16:01.48 | thopiekar | do you know btw. why pci-card isn't working after a mainboard upgrade? |
| 16:02.04 | plastun | hi! I have written program, wich uses gst library. On desktop the program works, on maemo - not |
| 16:02.06 | plastun | ? |
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| 16:02.42 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: thanks btw, just got a working cx3110x built using your patch |
| 16:04.07 | javispedro | qwerty12: nice to know :) |
| 16:04.14 | thopiekar | just upgraded to a ASUS-M3N78-EM ( plus AMD Phenom II 4x3GHz and 4GB RAM) and I can't get my multicard, with DVB-T, DVB-S, analog TV and a modem modul in it, fully working ... |
| 16:04.20 | qwerty12_N810 | :) |
| 16:04.32 | thopiekar | when I plug it in I just have DVB-T in kaffeine.. |
| 16:05.05 | thopiekar | nobody is replying to me at ubuntuusers.de weeks along |
| 16:05.28 | lcuk | thopiekar, use a livecd and see if it works from there |
| 16:05.36 | thopiekar | so do you know how to fix that or do you know where to get professionsal help?! |
| 16:05.38 | lcuk | try to rule out software problem and find as much info as possile |
| 16:05.45 | javispedro | i guess you're lucky to have dvb-t at all :d |
| 16:05.56 | lcuk | hiya LinuxCode \o |
| 16:06.03 | LinuxCode | hi ;-D |
| 16:06.05 | javispedro | three years I had to wait for my a16d card to be supported |
| 16:06.13 | lcuk | you back in uk now? |
| 16:06.18 | LinuxCode | just wrapped up FUDcon |
| 16:06.19 | thopiekar | javispedro: the dvb-t quality isn't that well here, soo.. |
| 16:06.23 | LinuxCode | no , still in Berlin |
| 16:06.31 | LinuxCode | I will be in Germany for another two weeks |
| 16:06.33 | thopiekar | LinuxCode: hi :) |
| 16:06.37 | LinuxCode | flying somehwere else tomorrow |
| 16:06.40 | lcuk | lucky you |
| 16:06.40 | LinuxCode | allo thopiekar |
| 16:06.57 | LinuxCode | lcuk, you wouldnt say that, if you would know of all the things I have to take care of |
| 16:07.14 | lcuk | unlucky you! |
| 16:07.24 | LinuxCode | lol thanks ;p |
| 16:07.38 | lcuk | heh, did you get a good response at the conf then? |
| 16:07.55 | LinuxCode | yeh, was good fun |
| 16:08.09 | LinuxCode | and I think people enjoyed it |
| 16:08.23 | javispedro | qwerty12: i remember doing something else to wpa_supplicant. i'm not sure but I think the problem was with hidden aps. i am telling in case you're wondering through the horrible mess of my code ;) |
| 16:08.32 | LinuxCode | most of us are leaving Berlin tomorrow |
| 16:08.33 | lcuk | did you do any presenting |
| 16:08.42 | lcuk | or were you organising |
| 16:08.59 | LinuxCode | lcuk, I was organizing, keeping the booth going |
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| 16:09.09 | LinuxCode | and anything else that popped up |
| 16:09.19 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: oh, trust me, I have no room to talk wrt cleanliness of code :D |
| 16:09.24 | lcuk | so you were too much of a shit to get on stage :P |
| 16:09.28 | RST38h | Macer: I am a conservative kind of guy. Like to use stuff I am used to. |
| 16:09.34 | RST38h | Macer: So Gnome kinda works |
| 16:09.51 | lcuk | SYN RST38h |
| 16:11.00 | thopiekar | is thinking about buying a 24h internet-flat for 1,99€/month for his Nokia N95 to get with his tablet sometimes online.. |
| 16:11.27 | javispedro | actually, i'm impressed i've seen the whole mess crash only twice in the four months or so i've been using it |
| 16:12.06 | RST38h | EHLO, lcuk, EHLO |
| 16:12.08 | javispedro | but i'm sure it will if you do something out of what I've debugged |
| 16:12.18 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, your code is clean and complete. you even spell checked "northerner" :D |
| 16:13.01 | javispedro | and I've debugged (mostly) a single defined IAP with hidden ssid |
| 16:13.04 | qwerty12_N810 | Now, why would I want to do that, really? :P |
| 16:13.07 | thopiekar | is going to reboot now for checking out his tunercard from ubuntu'S livecd... |
| 16:13.12 | thopiekar | see you later :) |
| 16:13.17 | qwerty12_N810 | ^^^ lcuk |
| 16:13.47 | Stskeeps | wait, was it landscape most fremantle apps won't do, or portrait? |
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| 16:14.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: portrait is reserved for special cases (i.e. probably phone mode) |
| 16:14.14 | lcuk | most are landscape so far |
| 16:14.20 | Stskeeps | k |
| 16:14.38 | tds5016 | hello all. quick question... can I develop a google maps application on the n810 with python? |
| 16:14.43 | LinuxCode | <lcuk> so you were too much of a shit to get on stage :P |
| 16:14.48 | lcuk | i dunno, can you? |
| 16:14.48 | LinuxCode | I can do presentations |
| 16:14.54 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810 :P |
| 16:14.57 | lcuk | :D |
| 16:15.03 | LinuxCode | just finding a topic to talk about is the problem |
| 16:15.06 | lcuk | LinuxCode, better than me then |
| 16:15.12 | Stskeeps | tds5016: possible, but maemo mapper already exists |
| 16:15.15 | javispedro | what I mean (before battery goes flat): if you're going to try libicd-network-wpa and you define more than one WPA IAP, it'll crash |
| 16:15.19 | LinuxCode | as in ..one Im really into and that makes sense to present |
| 16:15.27 | javispedro | if it doesn't, you're a lucky man |
| 16:15.29 | tds5016 | Stskeeps, I have other purposes than to simply map... |
| 16:16.00 | tds5016 | Stskeeps, is there an google maps api for python somewhere? |
| 16:16.10 | lcuk | if there is it wont be maemo specific |
| 16:16.17 | javispedro | maybe i am being overly pessimistic lol |
| 16:16.49 | tds5016 | lcuk, the only reason I'm wandering is that I'm not sure how to add python modules to the n810.haha. |
| 16:17.15 | lcuk | find an executable section, copy on chmod to +x and get jiggy with it |
| 16:18.21 | javispedro | hope that wasn't a crasg |
| 16:18.29 | javispedro | s/crasg/crash/ |
| 16:18.34 | tds5016 | hahaha, nice terminology. haha. |
| 16:19.21 | lcuk | seriously, the first time you run a python mod on maemo, will smith plays. |
| 16:20.13 | tds5016 | plays what? ;-) |
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| 16:22.44 | lcuk | tds5016, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 16:22.45 | javispedro | uh oh |
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| 16:28.52 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Maemo Summit 2009: Call for Content Now Open! -> http://tinyurl.com/mvbcdy |
| 16:29.01 | javispedro | ah, here he is |
| 16:31.45 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: I've installed the patched cx3110x, osso-wlan, wpa-supplicant, your module into /usr/lib/icd2 and imported your gconf settings. Do I have to configure a connection to use your icd module by configuring it manually in GConf? :) |
| 16:32.23 | javispedro | yes |
| 16:32.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Aha, thanks |
| 16:33.06 | javispedro | is there a sample on my repo? |
| 16:33.27 | javispedro | if not i'll upload my current eduroam config |
| 16:33.55 | qwerty12_N810 | I can't see one |
| 16:38.34 | javispedro | http://pastebin.com/d3156556a |
| 16:38.46 | javispedro | here you have |
| 16:39.03 | qwerty12_N810 | Thank you |
| 16:39.21 | javispedro | wpa_* keys are passed to wpa_supp via dbus |
| 16:43.19 | javispedro | i plan to write a wpa_supp.conf to gconf xml converter eventually |
| 16:43.34 | javispedro | ideally a proper ui could actually be written |
| 16:43.50 | javispedro | and (seems) integrated with icd2 panel applet |
| 16:44.03 | z4chh | where in /proc or /sys can i find listed the cpu freq of the NIT proc? |
| 16:44.14 | z4chh | /proc/cpuinfo doesn't seem to have it :) |
| 16:45.00 | ShadowJK | something like /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/...blah |
| 16:45.32 | z4chh | ahh yeah |
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| 17:21.04 | javispedro | qwerty12: did it work? |
| 17:22.21 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: no, I can't get the connection to appear in the list:) |
| 17:22.38 | javispedro | damn |
| 17:23.10 | javispedro | does it appear in the configured list? |
| 17:23.14 | qwerty12_N810 | yep |
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| 17:23.42 | javispedro | with the adhoc icon? |
| 17:23.51 | qwerty12_N810 | yep :) |
| 17:24.28 | oespirit_ | ~seen florian |
| 17:24.30 | infobot | florian <n=fuchs@95.89.44.245> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 20h 58m 11s ago, saying: 'Soopaman: just a few devices to show off - some evalboards, pico beamer and laser keyboard'. |
| 17:26.14 | qwerty12_N810 | I may have messed up in the compiling of the icd2 module (took the shortcut way when it said it couldn't find wlancond-supp.h which was to copy it into .. and change the include to "wlancond-supp.h") so I'll have another crack tomorrow :) |
| 17:26.41 | javispedro | yes, i noticed that , but I don't think that's the culprit |
| 17:27.05 | javispedro | CFLAGS contains DDEBUG |
| 17:27.18 | javispedro | so if you launch icd2 from terminal you'll see nots of loise in stderr |
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| 17:28.12 | javispedro | if you don't then the library is not being loaded |
| 17:28.17 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, ok, thanks |
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| 17:31.30 | javispedro | btw, what's with tmo saying I'm "Michael J Charland" |
| 17:31.43 | javispedro | s/tmo/maemo.org/ |
| 17:31.57 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/libicd-network-wpa/ 's first post |
| 17:33.27 | Stskeeps | are you not? :P |
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| 17:33.45 | javispedro | nope |
| 17:33.51 | javispedro | but then it gets it right in the next posts |
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| 17:34.26 | ubuntu | hi all |
| 17:35.47 | thopiekar | lcuk: I|m now logged in my livecd ala kubuntu but it|s kaffeine shows me just DVB-T , too.. |
| 17:35.56 | thopiekar | what can I do now_ |
| 17:39.33 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, nothing yet? |
| 17:40.40 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: no, it doesn't look like it's being loaded by icd |
| 17:48.10 | GeneralAntilles | Goddamn Symbian has to be the worst software platform I've ever used. |
| 17:48.15 | GeneralAntilles | No wonder Maemo sucks so much |
| 17:48.20 | GeneralAntilles | It's all those Symbian idiots. |
| 17:48.34 | amr | lol |
| 17:48.39 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: people coming from symbian thinks maemo is a breeze |
| 17:48.44 | Stskeeps | that says something about symbian |
| 17:48.47 | amr | i concur about symbian sucking dick |
| 17:48.55 | amr | i have the nokia 6210 navigator |
| 17:49.08 | amr | i've never known something so unstable |
| 17:49.08 | GeneralAntilles | The new touchscreen XM has all these new features |
| 17:49.14 | GeneralAntilles | That I'm quite certain the 5800 will never see |
| 17:49.20 | GeneralAntilles | Especially the 5800 NAM |
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| 17:49.58 | GeneralAntilles | The Maps 3.0 "updater" is a Windows-only application that installs a .sis |
| 17:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | Dunno why it can't be done on the phone |
| 17:50.10 | GeneralAntilles | or requires Windows |
| 17:50.26 | GeneralAntilles | Tried to buy a Maps subscription earlier |
| 17:50.35 | GeneralAntilles | But, apparently, Nokia doesn't want my money. |
| 17:50.48 | GeneralAntilles | Unresolvable credit card error. |
| 17:51.00 | GeneralAntilles | I can only imagine the sort of brain damage people who like this platform have. |
| 17:51.25 | GeneralAntilles | The reality seems to be: every mobile platform is a disgrace. |
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| 17:51.50 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone OS sucks, Android sucks, Symbian sucks, WinMob sucks, WebOS sucks, Maemo sucks. |
| 17:52.02 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: so you want a windows xp phone you say |
| 17:52.21 | amr | iphones are so much it hype it is rather ridiculous |
| 17:52.38 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: s/mobile// |
| 17:52.38 | amr | one thing i am sort of jealous of though |
| 17:52.38 | amr | their kinetic scrolling is done well |
| 17:52.38 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810: well I don't really have a checklist of things to test :P but e.g. is theconfigured network type still "WLAN_WPA" , is the library in /usr/lib/icd2/libicd_network_wpa.so (as specified in /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/WLAN_WPA/network_modules ... |
| 17:52.53 | Firebird | what about service provider proprietary mobile OSs? |
| 17:52.56 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, honestly, I've had an easier time with XP than Symbian. |
| 17:53.01 | GeneralAntilles | Firebird, don't be redundant. |
| 17:53.19 | Firebird | they work pretty well and do what they're meant to |
| 17:53.32 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, well, at least PC stuff doesn't continuously impede any sort of productive activity as I use it. |
| 17:53.36 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles, you forgot "PalmOS sucks" :) |
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| 17:53.47 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, no need to mention outdated stuff |
| 17:53.56 | GeneralAntilles | Newton OS sucks, too, if we're going to start listing that. |
| 17:53.58 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Tried developing over Oracle recently? (Days lost last week due to its braindead '' == null behaviour) |
| 17:53.59 | amr | whatd be super is ui design consistency |
| 17:54.04 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: you might like Palm Pre |
| 17:54.19 | Jaffa | Gah, I need to brush up on my matrix maths for this accelerometer application |
| 17:54.28 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa, no, and it's also probably related to simply having gotten used to OS X and XP's suckiness. |
| 17:54.29 | RST38h | Another operating systems war? |
| 17:54.36 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, everything sucks. |
| 17:54.40 | GeneralAntilles | Stskeeps, doubtful |
| 17:54.43 | RST38h | Can't agree more. |
| 17:54.48 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: yes and yes :P - no worries, I'll just wait for an official release or something :D. Thanks for your help |
| 17:54.51 | RST38h | Except for the bees of course. |
| 17:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Crappy screen resolution is where it begins, and I can only see it getting worse. |
| 17:55.04 | GeneralAntilles | Somehow WebOS manages to make a Cortex A8 feel slow. |
| 17:55.15 | Firebird | what are you suggesting |
| 17:55.25 | GeneralAntilles | Firebird, kill everyone and everything. |
| 17:55.34 | javispedro | qwerty12_N810, thanks to you. i'd prefer i we'd managed to get it to work but seems I'm forgetting something or whatever |
| 17:55.35 | RST38h | GAN: You got to handle a Palm Pre? |
| 17:55.56 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yeah, stopped by a Sprint store last week for a few minutes. |
| 17:56.08 | GeneralAntilles | Felt pretty slick, but it's not as responsive as the 3G S. |
| 17:56.18 | javispedro | cause I tough everything would be on a email discussion I had with a fellow Maemo user about it |
| 17:56.20 | javispedro | but seems not |
| 17:56.25 | GeneralAntilles | Which screams. |
| 17:56.31 | javispedro | so that means I'll have to do more work for release |
| 17:56.49 | javispedro | so that means release will be posponed again :P lol |
| 17:56.51 | RST38h | GAN: well, it is done in html :) |
| 17:56.54 | RST38h | and javascript |
| 17:56.56 | GeneralAntilles | Right |
| 17:58.30 | GeneralAntilles | I want to put this phone in a blender and ship it back to Nokia. |
| 17:59.41 | thopiekar | is logging out of the livecd and rebooting his pc now... |
| 17:59.52 | thopiekar | see you soon xD |
| 17:59.53 | RST38h | 5800 is bothering you again? |
| 18:00.41 | RST38h | You are aware that Nokia Care will not return the blender back to you, aren't you? |
| 18:00.42 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, yes. |
| 18:00.52 | javispedro | YET AGAIN clicked yesterday on the slashdot frontpage only to find it was today's newsline but not-yet-loaded-by-the-slow-javascript |
| 18:01.04 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, they can keep it. Maybe they can use it to chop up the rest of the Symbian abominations. |
| 18:01.22 | RST38h | javispedro: hint: do not go to slashdot.org, use Google RSS reader for iPhone UI |
| 18:01.39 | RST38h | GAN: What is the problem with 5800 anyway? |
| 18:01.45 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, everything, |
| 18:02.02 | RST38h | Ours feels pretty good, except that BT broke, so it needs a visit to the service center |
| 18:02.06 | GeneralAntilles | crappy software that doesn't work or doesn't work as intended, no software updates, no feature updates |
| 18:02.17 | GeneralAntilles | I wanted to buy a Maps subscription, but can't |
| 18:02.23 | RST38h | software updates are there, up to v21 now |
| 18:02.27 | GeneralAntilles | Credit card error that has no solutions. |
| 18:02.37 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, no, there's not. |
| 18:02.40 | RST38h | feature updates nokia never does |
| 18:02.46 | GeneralAntilles | No software updates for the NAM model, apparently. |
| 18:02.52 | RST38h | GAN: But there is! At least for the .RU model |
| 18:03.01 | GeneralAntilles | Which was advertised as a feature when I bought the phone. |
| 18:03.28 | GeneralAntilles | It's well and truly the shittiest mobile platform I've ever used. |
| 18:03.37 | RST38h | GAN: Ok, let me check something, maybe the firmware update part can be fixed |
| 18:03.42 | GeneralAntilles | No, it can't |
| 18:03.49 | GeneralAntilles | I've wasted HOURS of my life trying to fix it. |
| 18:03.54 | RST38h | GAN: I hope you are not trying to use Nokia Download, Ovi Store, NGage, etc? |
| 18:04.06 | RST38h | GAN: Because all these should be deleted right away |
| 18:04.22 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 18:04.35 | GeneralAntilles | I'm trying to use it for some of the things that are advertised on the box |
| 18:04.40 | GeneralAntilles | None of which work |
| 18:04.41 | RST38h | As? |
| 18:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | Ovi Store, for all the hype, is a horrifying abortion, though. |
| 18:05.04 | RST38h | Like we did not expect that... |
| 18:05.16 | GeneralAntilles | Phone text/voice, data, web, Maps, etc. |
| 18:05.29 | RST38h | all this stuff works for my wife |
| 18:05.47 | RST38h | the ecommerce crap I deleted right away |
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| 18:06.00 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, good for her. |
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| 18:06.33 | RST38h | 5800 NAM is up to version 20.2.014, right? |
| 18:06.53 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: dunno what happened but it works! Thank you very much :) |
| 18:07.05 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h, whatever it shipped with, since there are no software updates. |
| 18:07.14 | javispedro | glad to hear that |
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| 18:07.32 | RST38h | Ok, let us check. Dial *#0000# and check what it says |
| 18:07.40 | javispedro | test if the wpa_supplicant process exists, just in case |
| 18:07.44 | javispedro | or is that a PAP network? |
| 18:07.49 | RST38h | Just out of academic curiosity, ok? |
| 18:08.30 | GeneralAntilles | Maps 3.0 still doesn't want to subscribe. |
| 18:08.32 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: yep, I was checking to see if wpa_supplicant was running and it was |
| 18:08.43 | javispedro | :) |
| 18:08.44 | RST38h | Ah fuck their subscription, not worth it |
| 18:09.18 | GeneralAntilles | 2.2.014 |
| 18:09.26 | GeneralAntilles | s/2/20/ |
| 18:09.40 | javispedro | (that's just because the first time I though I got it working was because the icd configure ui tends to "switch" network type sometimes and had change it to WLAN_INFRA, so it worked, but without using the supplicant :P ) |
| 18:09.43 | RST38h | GAN: Ok. Your firmware is fine. It was released around March 15 |
| 18:09.55 | javispedro | gah. can't write without a spell checker |
| 18:10.06 | RST38h | GAN: Slightly older than 1 month, not bad really |
| 18:10.48 | RST38h | Ah shit my math sucks :) |
| 18:10.55 | RST38h | Mistook March for May |
| 18:12.48 | RST38h | .RU version is up to 21.0.025, you are basically missing one major version number |
| 18:14.20 | GeneralAntilles | There's absolutely no reason I should be. |
| 18:15.00 | RST38h | GAN: Correct. Do you want directions on how to turn your RM-428 device into RM-356 and install 21.x.x ? |
| 18:15.15 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 18:15.22 | GeneralAntilles | I want an N900, honestly. |
| 18:15.29 | RST38h | Not feeling adventurous? ;) |
| 18:15.39 | RST38h | Don't we all... |
| 18:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | Sell this phone to somebody with either the limited requirements or constitution to handle it. |
| 18:16.34 | javispedro | i'm starting to want a tablet-phone too |
| 18:16.53 | javispedro | it's weird since a few months ago I would have called myself crazy for saying that |
| 18:17.08 | RST38h | Dunno, I am not finding 5800 offensive enough to get rid of it |
| 18:17.18 | RST38h | I mean, compared to some OTHER phones.. :) |
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| 18:24.02 | lcuk | javispedro, i want an always connected remote link to my pinboard :) |
| 18:24.13 | amr | pinboard? |
| 18:24.38 | lcuk | the one on the wall at the side of me |
| 18:24.44 | javispedro | as in bulletin board? |
| 18:24.48 | lcuk | with papers stuck to it and a calendar |
| 18:24.55 | javispedro | did you try a webcam? :D |
| 18:25.01 | amr | oh |
| 18:25.03 | javispedro | and a robotic arm to pin new notes |
| 18:25.05 | lcuk | i cant write with a webcam |
| 18:25.16 | javispedro | easy |
| 18:25.36 | javispedro | scribble it, send it to a remote printer near your pinboard and then develop a robotic arm to pin it |
| 18:26.20 | lcuk | http://liquid.zapto.org/liqbase_river.php?username=lcuk :) |
| 18:26.29 | javispedro | or "virtualize" your pinboard now that it seems all the future has in store is virtualization, more virtualization |
| 18:27.07 | javispedro | you got me |
| 18:27.16 | javispedro | how much is that application going to cost in the iphone store? |
| 18:27.32 | lcuk | iphone? |
| 18:27.39 | lcuk | i stopped finger painting yours ago |
| 18:27.59 | javispedro | doesn't matter, i am sure that with a little marketing you can still sell it there |
| 18:28.01 | javispedro | :D |
| 18:28.12 | javispedro | and make money!! |
| 18:28.13 | lcuk | it will allow sketches photos screenshots and notes |
| 18:28.38 | javispedro | that remembers me of clie organizer |
| 18:28.47 | lcuk | but its live |
| 18:28.54 | lcuk | as i make sketches they are uploaded |
| 18:29.06 | thopiekar | lcuk: I'm back again and there where no differences between my normal os and the livecd.. |
| 18:29.11 | lcuk | its faster than paper :) |
| 18:29.16 | thopiekar | any other suggestions? |
| 18:29.27 | javispedro | it's a nice idea indeed |
| 18:29.32 | lcuk | thopiekar, sorry, but that moves it back from user error to either drivers or hardware |
| 18:29.51 | thopiekar | hmm |
| 18:29.52 | lcuk | javispedro, and with the rendering engine of liqbase underneath it it will work well as well |
| 18:30.05 | thopiekar | do you know a good place to get help? |
| 18:30.09 | javispedro | hmm |
| 18:30.12 | javispedro | i'm imagining |
| 18:30.16 | javispedro | liqbase calendar app |
| 18:30.20 | javispedro | with a nicely done custom web app |
| 18:30.24 | javispedro | syncing seamlessly |
| 18:30.28 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:30.30 | javispedro | *orgasm* |
| 18:30.46 | lcuk | day20090708.sketch |
| 18:30.46 | javispedro | lol |
| 18:30.53 | lcuk | cal entries are uploaded like that |
| 18:31.00 | lcuk | they are just sketches |
| 18:31.07 | javispedro | i dunno about that |
| 18:31.32 | javispedro | i am used to events being "data" (with text, repeating rules and all that) |
| 18:31.39 | lcuk | download the related sketch, drop it in your calendar and allow overlaying |
| 18:31.41 | javispedro | and sketches being and aftertough |
| 18:31.46 | javispedro | after tough |
| 18:31.47 | lcuk | thats your tough shit then lol |
| 18:31.48 | javispedro | arg |
| 18:31.52 | lcuk | im used to a wall calendar and pen |
| 18:32.06 | javispedro | and that's nice |
| 18:32.11 | lcuk | and me and the missus understand a star in the corner |
| 18:32.18 | javispedro | but sketches should be overlayed |
| 18:32.22 | javispedro | over a base "static" calendar with |
| 18:32.23 | lcuk | yeah thats easy |
| 18:32.25 | javispedro | holidays |
| 18:32.27 | lcuk | the engine is live |
| 18:32.27 | javispedro | birthdays |
| 18:32.27 | javispedro | etc. |
| 18:32.39 | lcuk | can do all sorts of "real" calendar stuff |
| 18:32.47 | lcuk | i just want sketches personally tho :) |
| 18:33.03 | javispedro | I want both things |
| 18:33.16 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:33.18 | javispedro | (please note that I'm expressing my opinion on this and should not influence your future nice products) |
| 18:33.18 | lcuk | i know :) |
| 18:33.31 | javispedro | I see myself |
| 18:33.37 | javispedro | editing my timetables on my computer |
| 18:33.48 | javispedro | sending them to the tablet as the "base, static" calendar |
| 18:33.49 | lcuk | a nice little area to indicate/highlight ical entries would be decent |
| 18:33.58 | javispedro | then drawing exams, tests, whatever I feel over it |
| 18:34.01 | lcuk | but i dont care much for the format and havent got the time to implement it |
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| 18:34.20 | javispedro | with the computer' calendar getting updated in the process |
| 18:34.39 | lcuk | computer calendar wouldnt know how to handle sketch notes |
| 18:34.50 | lcuk | so would b better to just have me listening for icals |
| 18:35.04 | lcuk | and keep them kinda seperate but showing shared info |
| 18:35.31 | javispedro | it can be a custom app too, "trying" to emulate liqbase but using slow gtk calls or whatever |
| 18:36.11 | javispedro | should be a "big but static screen" into the live calendar |
| 18:36.17 | lcuk | javispedro, khertan has a really good calendar manager that talks to google calendar |
| 18:36.31 | lcuk | its nicely done and works as fast as possible on gtk |
| 18:36.38 | lcuk | tips a very big hat at him |
| 18:36.51 | lcuk | it would be nice to just talk to his database and show entries |
| 18:37.04 | lcuk | not even allowing editing yet |
| 18:37.31 | javispedro | i think I've tried them all |
| 18:37.38 | javispedro | i was talking about the "pc edition" either way |
| 18:37.56 | lcuk | google calendar itself then on pc |
| 18:38.24 | javispedro | but it needs to be able to show sketches overlaid too |
| 18:39.39 | javispedro | (and I personally dislike google calendar, but could get used to it :) ) |
| 18:40.04 | lcuk | the only desktop calendar that could show sketches would be liqbase on a desktop |
| 18:40.32 | lcuk | the engine works on x86 kinda already, and is gonna be used for the wallmount |
| 18:41.08 | javispedro | i've done lots of paper sketches about my "dream pim app" :D |
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| 18:41.54 | javispedro | which means I'm probably never going to code it since it would be monstrous |
| 18:42.22 | lcuk | :) i do lots of sketching about my dream app too :) |
| 18:42.32 | lcuk | and its getting closer and closer every day |
| 18:42.57 | javispedro | right now I'm basically not using any PIM, which means I'm starting to forget about things (having used a Palm for the last ... 8 years?) |
| 18:42.58 | lcuk | i have had soooooo much work to do to get even this close |
| 18:43.34 | lcuk | thats where liqbase does me, quick notes and a nice interface and multiple views of the same data to play around in means im constantly reminded about upcoming events and it works for me |
| 18:45.09 | javispedro | when I tested liqbase a few weeks ago it gave me a feeling of "framework" |
| 18:45.12 | javispedro | much like emacs |
| 18:45.42 | lcuk | it is a framework |
| 18:45.55 | lcuk | i want it to be able to create anything i please |
| 18:46.09 | lcuk | i want to have 10 variations on clocks available |
| 18:46.18 | lcuk | or 10 different sketch editors |
| 18:46.23 | lcuk | with different functions |
| 18:46.29 | lcuk | different views on the data |
| 18:46.42 | lcuk | and i want it to be simple to configure and setup and choose themes of them |
| 18:46.54 | lcuk | so you might just want a sketch pad and graffiti wall |
| 18:47.15 | lcuk | i want sketch and graffiti and cal and bookreader and user list and clock and stars |
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| 18:47.44 | lcuk | its finding its feet at the moment and im making sure it can do everything i want it to do |
| 18:47.45 | javispedro | just be careful it does not turn into emacs with its own mail reader :) |
| 18:48.00 | lcuk | if it gets a mail reader it wont be me that does it |
| 18:48.09 | lcuk | tho its gonna have to be tracking that server and syncing ;) |
| 18:50.53 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: wtf is FTD |
| 18:51.37 | qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: leaked Nokia app, tells you a lot, I used to have screenies... |
| 18:52.11 | Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: but what IS it? |
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| 18:53.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=180084&postcount=232 |
| 18:54.00 | qwerty12_N810 | if you want it, you'll find it in the catalogue mirror |
| 18:54.27 | Luke-Jr | it's not in the main one anymore? |
| 18:54.43 | qwerty12_N810 | No, like I said: it was leaked |
| 18:55.23 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 18:55.30 | Luke-Jr | so what is so "amazing" about it? |
| 18:55.42 | Luke-Jr | the screenshots look like it's simply a GUI for obvious crap |
| 18:55.58 | qwerty12_N810 | It shows very in depth info - run it and look at the battery info |
| 18:56.14 | qwerty12_N810 | But I'm not here to say "use it or die!" |
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| 19:06.49 | Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: battery info has more than bme-client? |
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| 19:06.56 | Luke-Jr | or does it bypass BME? |
| 19:07.16 | qwerty12_N810 | it connects to the bme socket iirc |
| 19:07.19 | qwerty12_N810 | lemme check |
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| 19:08.35 | qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: Aye, it connects to BME's socket so I guess it doesn't do any bypassing |
| 19:08.54 | Stskeeps | yeah, it talks with bulk |
| 19:09.02 | Luke-Jr | ok, does it have more info than bme-client? |
| 19:09.39 | Stskeeps | guess where the bme protocol was from |
| 19:10.20 | RST38h | qwerty: Where should I email fmsx sources? |
| 19:10.39 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: trippin1@gmail.com please |
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| 19:11.40 | pupnik_ | do you like spam or what? |
| 19:12.09 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik_: Meh, I'm fine as long as noone signs me up to gay porn :P |
| 19:12.13 | RST38h | qwerty: Done |
| 19:12.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks |
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| 19:14.22 | Empire | anyone not afk? |
| 19:15.08 | Luke-Jr | . |
| 19:15.17 | Luke-Jr | fmsx? |
| 19:15.41 | javispedro | when is it considered appropiate for a package to be promoted to extras? |
| 19:16.07 | javispedro | i mean, I don't really believe I'll ever get a bugreport for openttd in... months |
| 19:16.09 | RST38h | When you sacrificed at least six bulls and a virgin to the Tentacled One |
| 19:16.35 | javispedro | (and If I get one, since I mostly did nothing :P, I would instantly forward it upstream) |
| 19:17.22 | javispedro | other than "openttd uses too much battery" which I agree but don't know how to fix other than linking with libosso and pausing when screen goes off |
| 19:18.11 | javispedro | ~seen Tentacled One |
| 19:18.13 | infobot | javispedro: i haven't seen 'tentacled one' |
| 19:18.13 | Empire | anyone want to help me with mer? |
| 19:18.18 | Stskeeps | Empire: you're better off in #mer |
| 19:18.19 | javispedro | too bad infobot, too bad. |
| 19:18.22 | Empire | ty |
| 19:18.25 | qwerty12_N810 | javispedro: there was a discussion on that on -developers and I can't remember the specifics but the consensus was that it's not worth it for a sdl app |
| 19:18.27 | RST38h | OpenTTD needs proper scrolling mechanism |
| 19:18.34 | RST38h | And bigger menus =) |
| 19:18.40 | javispedro | tap-to-drag not enough? |
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| 19:18.45 | RST38h | Nope |
| 19:18.59 | javispedro | so you want minimap? |
| 19:19.05 | RST38h | I know it is too much to ask for kinetic, but at least implement simple drag |
| 19:19.22 | javispedro | uh? |
| 19:19.27 | javispedro | why is tap-to-drag not enough then? |
| 19:19.54 | RST38h | counter intuitive and (more importantly) too easy to activate by mistake |
| 19:20.03 | RST38h | when trying to click on those tiny little menus and icons |
| 19:20.50 | javispedro | menus are tiny, I agree with that (specially windows' close button) |
| 19:20.54 | javispedro | but dragging? |
| 19:21.13 | RST38h | just implement simple dragging |
| 19:21.29 | javispedro | there is simple panning, if that's what you mean |
| 19:21.32 | RST38h | i.e. pen goes down, moves across the screen and drags |
| 19:21.58 | javispedro | yes, that's what I mean with "tap-to-drag" |
| 19:22.16 | RST38h | the version I have drags when you click |
| 19:22.25 | javispedro | aaaaaaaa |
| 19:22.26 | RST38h | it does not drag with the pen |
| 19:22.38 | javispedro | wait |
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| 19:22.46 | javispedro | pc version drags on _right_ click |
| 19:22.56 | javispedro | extras-devel version drags on "pen" click |
| 19:23.12 | javispedro | replace right with left on that message, infobot. |
| 19:23.21 | javispedro | no |
| 19:23.24 | javispedro | do not replace it at all |
| 19:23.38 | javispedro | damn dyslexia |
| 19:24.22 | javispedro | either way, I can assure you I can drag the pen to scroll in extras-devel version |
| 19:24.52 | RST38h | now promote to extras =) |
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| 19:25.18 | javispedro | so you're the Tentacled One? |
| 19:25.21 | javispedro | :D |
| 19:25.27 | RST38h | of course not |
| 19:26.17 | javispedro | too late! poor bulls... |
| 19:27.59 | RST38h | you are forgetting an important ingredient... |
| 19:28.02 | RST38h | hint hint... |
| 19:28.32 | RST38h | Anyways, I have had enough coding for today. |
| 19:28.43 | javispedro | do you want me to sacrifice a virgin?? but but but then Macer will put me in the registar |
| 19:29.19 | RST38h | As long as it is R4 to R12, you should be fine. |
| 19:29.28 | RST38h | ABI prescribes to save 'em. |
| 19:29.46 | javispedro | :D |
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| 19:32.57 | Luke-Jr | javispedro: good luck finding a virgin these days |
| 19:33.34 | Luke-Jr | OpenTTD == open tap-to-drag ? |
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| 19:34.35 | xnt14 | is so freaking bored :P |
| 19:34.46 | xnt14 | installs openwrt in a vm |
| 19:35.06 | xnt14 | ah screw a vm, ill install it on my old crappy laptop |
| 19:38.38 | amr | cmon #maemo, recommend me a desktop linux distro |
| 19:38.39 | amr | :) |
| 19:38.41 | thopiekar | managed to get a working debian-sourcefolder to make a static package of portaudio19 for maemo |
| 19:39.00 | thopiekar | will upload it to -devel in some mins |
| 19:39.04 | qwerty12_N810 | amr: linux from scratch |
| 19:39.45 | lbt | amr: yellow dog |
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| 19:40.33 | amr | that's for power cpu tho |
| 19:42.58 | thopiekar | what is btw the meaning of "tho"? I always think that I'm meant with it.. |
| 19:43.02 | lbt | you don't have a power? |
| 19:43.05 | amr | thought* |
| 19:43.10 | thopiekar | :P |
| 19:43.11 | amr | this is for my desktop |
| 19:43.15 | amr | though* |
| 19:43.15 | amr | even |
| 19:43.24 | amr | just shorthand |
| 19:44.06 | lbt | oh, Ubuntu then... |
| 19:44.13 | amr | thought so :D |
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| 19:44.37 | lbt | if you have to ask: Ubuntu. If you don't: Debian |
| 19:44.55 | amr | well its been a long time since ive used linux on the desktop |
| 19:44.56 | amr | like 2 years? |
| 19:45.13 | lbt | should be a pleasant surprise then :) |
| 19:45.23 | amr | oh good :) |
| 19:46.35 | amr | oh thats a pleasant surprise too, iplayer works on the NIT |
| 19:46.42 | amr | oh damn, not good framerate though |
| 19:50.07 | GeneralAntilles | isn't sure why he agreed to go to the Holocaust museum. |
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| 19:50.31 | Stskeeps | GeneralAntilles: inspiration for you going postal over mobile os's |
| 19:50.41 | GeneralAntilles | Now I'm just depressed. |
| 19:50.53 | GeneralAntilles | and the place hasn't changed at all since the last time I went 5 years ago. |
| 19:51.23 | thopiekar | I love this community :P uploaded the portaudio19 sources and moved them for building in -devel.. thank you for helping me today :) |
| 19:52.55 | Luke-Jr | amr: Ubuntu sucks; at least go with Kubuntu |
| 19:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | Subjective |
| 19:53.11 | Luke-Jr | GNOME sucking is pretty objective |
| 19:53.13 | Luke-Jr | ☺ |
| 19:53.13 | amr | i dont like kde |
| 19:53.20 | amr | well, i didnt use to |
| 19:53.40 | amr | it always seemed far too windowsy |
| 19:53.51 | amr | plus ugly |
| 19:54.04 | amr | is the linux font smoothing still shit? |
| 19:54.09 | Luke-Jr | ROFL |
| 19:54.16 | Luke-Jr | KDE is nothing like ugly if you compare to GNOME |
| 19:54.28 | Luke-Jr | and only Windowsy if you configure it to be Windowsy |
| 19:54.30 | Vulcanis | now now guys |
| 19:54.36 | Vulcanis | no religous arguments |
| 19:54.38 | amr | you did read the part where i said the last time i used desktop linux was 2 years ago |
| 19:54.43 | Luke-Jr | the real suck in KDE is that retarded MySQL dependency |
| 19:54.54 | amr | and 2 years ago, it was ugly as fuck |
| 19:55.05 | Luke-Jr | amr: only if you configured it to be |
| 19:55.10 | amr | standard install |
| 19:55.14 | thopiekar | Luke-Jr: KDE 3.x was a good and stable desktop but now.. in times of kde 4.x I use gnome because it's the most stable one with lots of plugins, etc... other desktops like e17 or other are too unstable, too or just sucking :P |
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| 19:55.21 | amr | anyway, not that i care |
| 19:55.24 | Luke-Jr | amr: there is no "standard install" back then; you got prompted first login |
| 19:55.26 | amr | is kde4 any good? |
| 19:55.40 | thopiekar | amr: too unstable for me.. |
| 19:55.40 | Luke-Jr | amr: except for MySQL dependency, bloat, etc |
| 19:55.52 | amr | i saw some of the notification things |
| 19:55.55 | amr | they seemed cool |
| 19:56.01 | Vulcanis | all UIs fail pretty hard in some area, tbh |
| 19:56.14 | Luke-Jr | we should start a new DE project |
| 19:56.28 | Vulcanis | the NDE |
| 19:56.33 | Vulcanis | no desktop environment |
| 19:56.35 | amr | lol |
| 19:56.40 | Luke-Jr | that's console mode |
| 19:56.42 | amr | all i'd like is some consistency among applications |
| 19:56.42 | Vulcanis | it automagically presses ctrl+shft+f1 for you |
| 19:56.47 | Vulcanis | luke: Exactly! |
| 19:56.52 | amr | but with so many DEs, i imagine that would be impossible |
| 19:56.58 | Luke-Jr | amr: stick to one |
| 19:57.12 | Luke-Jr | if you don't use anything GTK+, it should all be consistent |
| 19:57.20 | amr | h good |
| 19:57.21 | amr | ah* |
| 19:57.52 | Vulcanis | I think gnome is more supported overall, though |
| 19:57.55 | thopiekar | whats up with khertan... does someone knows something about him.. |
| 19:58.03 | Luke-Jr | Vulcanis: GNOME isn't usable |
| 19:58.16 | thopiekar | just got a new home-applet idea for him :) |
| 19:58.19 | Vulcanis | Luke: It isn't, but I think more things are still built for it these days |
| 20:03.38 | lbt | Luke-Jr: GNOME is just fine |
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| 20:13.06 | thopiekar | see you later.. have to go bed.. |
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| 21:02.10 | Luke-Jr | lbt: <insert flames here> |
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| 21:12.44 | Maiku | I'm trying to build an external module and not having much luck. It keeps saying "MODPOST 0 modules" |
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| 21:14.07 | Maiku | I'm using scratchbox and I'm trying to build for diablo |
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| 21:25.31 | tomaterr | is this a maemo only channel, or n810 also? |
| 21:25.53 | lcuk | one and the same |
| 21:26.13 | tomaterr | alright |
| 21:26.16 | mavhc | if you have a nokia device that's not a phone then welcome |
| 21:26.17 | Vulcanis | n810 is running on maemo when you first turn it on, so... |
| 21:26.27 | tomaterr | well, just makin sure |
| 21:26.33 | Vulcanis | if you have a device that is a phone, then hiss, get out of here. |
| 21:26.56 | tomaterr | nah, my touchscreen stoped working |
| 21:27.11 | lcuk | why - maemo/mer/liqbase would run nicely on an iphone :) |
| 21:27.29 | tomaterr | could it be software related? |
| 21:27.33 | Vulcanis | maemo/mer wouldn't. fscking closed software. |
| 21:27.43 | Vulcanis | did you try a hard reset yet, toma? |
| 21:27.47 | lcuk | eh? |
| 21:27.52 | lcuk | mer is oss |
| 21:27.53 | tomaterr | how do u do that? |
| 21:27.55 | lcuk | maemo is mostly oss |
| 21:28.16 | tomaterr | vulc how? |
| 21:28.23 | lbt | tomaterr: remove battery |
| 21:28.25 | lcuk | the only problem for them with iphone is resolution |
| 21:28.58 | Vulcanis | I forget how to do it on the n810, I think its something to do with the center button while putting the battery back in and turning it on |
| 21:29.04 | mavhc | closed hardware perhaps |
| 21:29.06 | Vulcanis | the only problem with the iphone is the iphone itself is CLOSED |
| 21:29.26 | mavhc | and there's no keyboard, and it costs loads |
| 21:29.53 | tomaterr | well, I've removed batt |
| 21:29.58 | tomaterr | several times |
| 21:30.19 | mavhc | plug it into pc, install flashing software, hold down home button, turn on |
| 21:30.26 | lcuk | mavhc, ipod touch doesnt |
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| 21:30.38 | lcuk | yeah its locked - thats a minor hurdle lol |
| 21:30.59 | mavhc | what is it about a cell phone radio that costs $200? |
| 21:31.35 | lcuk | especially when complete cell phones can be bought for peanuts |
| 21:33.34 | Maiku | do you need to do anything special to build an external module with scrachbox/for maemo? |
| 21:33.41 | Maiku | *scratchbox |
| 21:33.54 | lcuk | external module? |
| 21:33.56 | Maiku | compat-wireless-2.6-old |
| 21:34.05 | Maiku | out of tree is what I mean by external |
| 21:34.07 | mavhc | can't even be the cost of FCC etc approval if you're selling 30 million of them |
| 21:34.08 | lcuk | should be possible to build everything in it |
| 21:34.17 | Maiku | hmm, it keeps coming up with MODPOST 0 modules |
| 21:34.35 | tomaterr | thnaks for the help, I'm gonna go try to fix this |
| 21:35.19 | tomaterr | crud |
| 21:35.41 | Maiku | the compat-wireless-old makefile wants there to be a config.mk in the kernel header directory, and it also can't call modprobe due to a missing modules.dep |
| 21:35.43 | lcuk | tomaterr, is it totally dead |
| 21:35.43 | tomaterr | what does a flashing ! w/ orange background mean? |
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| 21:35.48 | lcuk | or does it respond erattically |
| 21:36.03 | lcuk | system software updates usually i think |
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| 21:36.29 | tomaterr | erratically |
| 21:36.38 | lcuk | ahh, thats not the same |
| 21:37.02 | lcuk | has the device sustained any trauma |
| 21:37.10 | tomaterr | a little... |
| 21:37.15 | tomaterr | not too much |
| 21:37.21 | lcuk | please lie down, and tell me all about it |
| 21:37.36 | tomaterr | like,3 feet |
| 21:37.41 | tomaterr | 3 or 4 times |
| 21:37.44 | Stskeeps | Maiku: trying to get stlc45xx going? :P |
| 21:37.48 | lcuk | when did you bust it |
| 21:37.57 | Maiku | Stskeeps: how'd you know :P |
| 21:38.00 | lcuk | was it one particular time? |
| 21:38.06 | tomaterr | no |
| 21:38.19 | Maiku | Stskeeps: I managed to get it running with a newer kernel and its range was quite spectacular |
| 21:38.23 | tomaterr | the issue appearad later |
| 21:38.29 | lcuk | what kind of eraticness is it |
| 21:38.35 | Stskeeps | Maiku: because i wanted to try out stlc45xx on 2.6.21 after hearing it was backported to 2.6.21 :P |
| 21:38.38 | lcuk | ie is it totally random and jumpy |
| 21:38.42 | Stskeeps | as in, mac80211 |
| 21:38.46 | Maiku | yup |
| 21:38.50 | lcuk | or is there a part thats fine |
| 21:38.50 | Maiku | did you have any luck? |
| 21:38.54 | tomaterr | always opens the application window |
| 21:38.58 | tomaterr | part is ok |
| 21:39.05 | Stskeeps | Maiku: no, i have a large backlog of desires and this one was not fullfilled yet |
| 21:39.10 | Maiku | aww |
| 21:39.17 | Maiku | I haven't managed to find much at all on it :/ |
| 21:39.19 | Stskeeps | Maiku: did you compile the diablo kernel first? |
| 21:39.50 | Maiku | not for trying like this, I was just using the headers, when I had used the newer kernel, yes, but then a bunch of other stuff didn't work :P |
| 21:40.17 | Stskeeps | right, compile first - and then make sure to point to that tree |
| 21:40.52 | tomaterr | shoot |
| 21:40.59 | Maiku | k, I remember reading a page saying to use two KBUILD variables, but I sure can't find that page again yet |
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| 21:42.30 | Stskeeps | Maiku: good luck with it though |
| 21:42.42 | Maiku | thanks, hopefully this will work :P |
| 21:42.50 | Stskeeps | if you end up trying to slowly migrate .21 -> .22 -> .23 -> .24, that's interesting too :P |
| 21:43.23 | Maiku | I'd really like to be able to keep the default kernel |
| 21:43.37 | Stskeeps | (why? :P) |
| 21:44.06 | Maiku | because I know stuff works with it |
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| 21:44.34 | Maiku | and don't have to mess figuring out how to update all the closed source bits for hardware |
| 21:45.24 | Stskeeps | ah, shouldn't be that bad |
| 21:45.45 | Stskeeps | either way, good luck - looks interesting |
| 21:46.05 | Maiku | thanks :) |
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| 21:58.13 | Maiku | Stskeeps: well so far it's working better this way, although it now errors instead of just skipping everything :) |
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| 21:58.44 | Stskeeps | yay errors |
| 21:58.56 | Maiku | well at least now I have something to debug :) |
| 22:01.18 | brainy142 | OOO I'm good at making things break... |
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| 22:01.35 | brainy142 | ah, braking turing is fun :D |
| 22:03.02 | brainy142 | I remember breaking all of my friends programs randomly hehehe he got so mad |
| 22:04.41 | Maiku | looks like it has warnings as errors :/ |
| 22:05.19 | brainy142 | so whats going to happen with maemo 5, will there be apps for it right away or will people have to port everything? and does it have better gfx acceleration on the smart q 5??? |
| 22:05.40 | Luke-Jr | has 2.6.30 mostly working on N810 |
| 22:05.45 | ShadowJK | no maemo5 for smartq5 |
| 22:05.54 | brainy142 | really? :( |
| 22:06.08 | Luke-Jr | brainy142: Maemo sucks anyway, Mer can run anything Ubuntu has pretty much |
| 22:06.25 | brainy142 | isn't mer/maemo the same??? |
| 22:06.29 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 22:06.39 | GAN800 | brainy142, apps are already being put together. |
| 22:06.48 | Luke-Jr | Mer does support many Maemo apps I think though |
| 22:06.53 | GAN800 | See the Fremantle Stars |
| 22:07.07 | brainy142 | excellent, hopefully the new api's wont take too long for people to implement ports. |
| 22:07.24 | GAN800 | Luke-Jr, Mer wouldn't exist without Maemo and Nokia's open source efforts. |
| 22:07.55 | Luke-Jr | GAN800: ok |
| 22:08.12 | Luke-Jr | GAN800: we'd probably have something even better |
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| 22:08.45 | brainy142 | so... If I wanted to be able to use the new release I would have to use a nokia mid thing? |
| 22:08.54 | GAN800 | OK, Luke-Jr. |
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| 22:09.07 | Luke-Jr | brainy142: yeah, but no point |
| 22:09.13 | Luke-Jr | brainy142: better off with Mer or some other OS |
| 22:09.25 | GAN800 | brainy142, Mer is using as many of the new Maemo 5 technologies as is possible. |
| 22:09.37 | brainy142 | ah ic... like your ui though |
| 22:09.41 | GAN800 | But if you want Maemo-Maemo you gotta buy the device. |
| 22:10.09 | GAN800 | brainy142, I'd wait until a proper announcement to decide. |
| 22:10.38 | ShadowJK | right |
| 22:10.53 | brainy142 | erm... which is faster nokia's thing or the smart q? |
| 22:11.17 | GAN800 | Nokia's device blows the SmartQ utterly out of the water. |
| 22:11.30 | brainy142 | really? |
| 22:11.33 | GeneralAntilles | Yes. |
| 22:11.45 | brainy142 | hmm.. I though it was slower |
| 22:11.49 | GeneralAntilles | Cortex A8 versus ARM11 is not even a contest. |
| 22:12.02 | GeneralAntilles | Well, what's Nokia's "thing" the N810 or the next unreleased device(s)? |
| 22:12.28 | brainy142 | ah dam, should have bought it on craigs when it was like 150 |
| 22:13.31 | smackpotat | i was wondering what the difference would be if i sold my 770 and bought a used n800 |
| 22:13.52 | GeneralAntilles | N800 is way faster than the 770. |
| 22:14.17 | brainy142 | Is there a place in Canada that sells them? |
| 22:14.51 | smackpotat | ya i have a 810, im using a 770 for my sterio |
| 22:15.02 | Pavlov | cortex a8 designs are nice |
| 22:15.07 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: get a SmartQ |
| 22:15.27 | amr | using it for your stereo how? |
| 22:15.28 | brainy142 | why the smart q? |
| 22:15.30 | Luke-Jr | brainy142: GAN800 is talking about some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist |
| 22:15.40 | Luke-Jr | SmartQ is easily superior to N800 |
| 22:15.45 | smackpotat | whats a smartq |
| 22:15.53 | brainy142 | doesnt it have that 3d core |
| 22:15.56 | Stskeeps | and Luke-Jr's a troll |
| 22:16.01 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: an open source handheld like N800 |
| 22:16.11 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: shoo, FUD |
| 22:16.18 | smackpotat | is it a phone |
| 22:16.22 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: no |
| 22:16.29 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: it's liek the N800, but it's faster and open source |
| 22:16.31 | qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: I find it hard to believe that Nokia would put so much work into software for "some unreleased Nokia device that might not even exist". |
| 22:16.32 | Luke-Jr | and has accelerated 3D |
| 22:16.39 | brainy142 | (sigh) I'l a get the specs |
| 22:16.40 | Pavlov | if you want a cortex a8 phone buy the pre or an iphone |
| 22:16.44 | Luke-Jr | qwerty12_N810: you've seen confirmation of it? |
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| 22:16.53 | smackpotat | whats the resolution |
| 22:16.53 | amr | smackpotat, how do you use your 770 with your stereo? |
| 22:17.01 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: AFAIK, the same for both |
| 22:17.03 | ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, are there actual drivers for the 3D? |
| 22:17.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Luke-Jr: nope. But common sense tells me that Nokia aren't gonna be fucking around for fun |
| 22:18.55 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: not yet AFAIK |
| 22:18.58 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: but we have specs |
| 22:18.59 | ShadowJK | When the media is saying "Maemo is attracting alot of attention away from Symbian internally at Nokia", you know maemo is probably not an extremely minor thing anymore :-) |
| 22:19.05 | smackpotat | i got a 16 gb usb drive,i output to my amp, i control it from my 810, vnc. it would be nice to have the fm |
| 22:19.16 | ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, right so currently they're both without 3D accel |
| 22:19.30 | Luke-Jr | smackpotat: ah, I don't use FM, so maybe N800 is better for you then |
| 22:19.36 | Luke-Jr | no idea if the FM is free or closed |
| 22:19.47 | Stskeeps | .. what fm |
| 22:19.50 | ShadowJK | And on the N8x0 3D accel might come if Nokia manages to bribe TI. And on the SmartQ it might come if some sad person finds 2 years of spare time and motivation to write drivers :-) |
| 22:19.51 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: but anyoen can write a SQ5 driver |
| 22:19.56 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: N800 has FM, no? |
| 22:20.00 | Stskeeps | ah yes |
| 22:20.10 | Stskeeps | i miss that feature |
| 22:20.24 | brainy142 | so 677mhz arm = fail? |
| 22:20.32 | brainy142 | (arm 11) |
| 22:21.56 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: how does it work, BTW? |
| 22:21.57 | brainy142 | rofl "some sad person" |
| 22:22.08 | Luke-Jr | brainy142: N915 has a much better processor |
| 22:22.09 | ShadowJK | brainy142, he'll be sad once he reads the opengl specs |
| 22:22.12 | Luke-Jr | but it doesn't exist yet |
| 22:22.24 | Pavlov | what is the n915? |
| 22:22.56 | brainy142 | ooo sounds expensive :( |
| 22:23.02 | Luke-Jr | the next Nokia handheld that officially doesn't exist yet |
| 22:23.19 | ShadowJK | If the next nokia device has a cortex A8 running at 400Mhz, it'd still be faster than 677Mhz arm11. It'd probably run at 600 :-) |
| 22:23.20 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: did your arrive yet? |
| 22:23.44 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: huh? you're saying the OMAP 400 MHz is faster than the Samsung 600 MHz? |
| 22:24.00 | brainy142 | Is it the arcitechture? |
| 22:24.07 | Pavlov | Luke-Jr: which samsung? |
| 22:24.14 | Pavlov | samsung has cortex a8 chips.. |
| 22:24.18 | brainy142 | 1 sec |
| 22:24.22 | ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, omap3 vs the samsung in SmartQ5/7, yes |
| 22:24.22 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr is trolling as usual on the n915 |
| 22:24.26 | Pavlov | (like the one in the iphone) |
| 22:24.34 | Pavlov | (3gs) |
| 22:24.34 | Stskeeps | yawns and goes to sleep |
| 22:25.11 | Luke-Jr | ShadowJK: OMAP3 isn't in any released products yet |
| 22:25.25 | Luke-Jr | Pavlov: IIRC, iPhone SoC is the same as SmartQ |
| 22:25.34 | brainy142 | N1HP5MQD sammy |
| 22:25.39 | ShadowJK | Luke-Jr, the new iphone has a newer much more powerful CPU |
| 22:25.43 | ShadowJK | iphone 3gs |
| 22:25.56 | Pavlov | Samsung S5PC100 Cortex A8 |
| 22:25.58 | brainy142 | nah I say they put in a better bat and upped the core to 600 |
| 22:26.15 | brainy142 | as the ipods have a 600mhz cpu under-nuked to 400 |
| 22:26.20 | brainy142 | *677 |
| 22:26.21 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, Tegra boo, hiss. :P |
| 22:26.27 | Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: its fast ;/ |
| 22:26.34 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, bullshit. |
| 22:26.36 | ShadowJK | If you want bogomips numbers, cortex A8 at X MHz is same as Arm11 at X*2 MHz ;p |
| 22:26.38 | Pavlov | not as fast cpu-wise ovbiously |
| 22:26.40 | GeneralAntilles | It's got a fast GPU and a marginal CPU. |
| 22:26.43 | Pavlov | but graphics makes a big difference |
| 22:26.48 | smackpotat | i think displays are important the n800 has a nice one |
| 22:26.50 | Pavlov | (if used) |
| 22:26.54 | GeneralAntilles | They're not a lot faster than the SGX. |
| 22:27.07 | GeneralAntilles | and the OMAP3 has a CPU that can actually push things around |
| 22:27.12 | Pavlov | its a good bit faster, and no one knows how to do anything on the sgx |
| 22:27.12 | GeneralAntilles | Like 720p with NEON. :P |
| 22:27.24 | Pavlov | GeneralAntilles: you'll own the battery doing that |
| 22:27.32 | brainy142 | are you going to get this working on the pandora??? |
| 22:27.50 | brainy142 | it's got z cortex thing at 600mhz |
| 22:27.55 | GeneralAntilles | Meh, 720p isn't exactly a battery-friendly operation either way |
| 22:28.07 | brainy142 | rofl agreed |
| 22:28.12 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, most of what I do on a tablet doesn't benefit from fast GPUs. |
| 22:28.19 | GeneralAntilles | I want a Cortex, not some ARM11 BS> |
| 22:28.28 | ShadowJK | Well when pandora and the next nokia device begin existing, I'm sure Mer will be ported to both |
| 22:28.33 | brainy142 | you get *drum roll* 2 hrs of battery life (720p) |
| 22:28.34 | GeneralAntilles | Also: Tegra doesn't currently support Linux |
| 22:28.35 | Pavlov | we're able to use the GPU for a lot |
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| 22:28.56 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3 also has the big, beefy DSP. |
| 22:29.05 | Pavlov | no one wants to write dsp code |
| 22:29.09 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong (but probably a bit late) :-P |
| 22:29.25 | GAN800 | andre__, hum. |
| 22:29.28 | Pavlov | don't get me wrong, i'm a big omap3 fan |
| 22:29.33 | Stskeeps | and how do you plan on doing that in fremantle when clutter hogs the gpu? :P |
| 22:29.37 | GAN800 | What the hell did I want? |
| 22:29.38 | smackpotat | dsp code is complex |
| 22:29.38 | brainy142 | Is luke still here? |
| 22:29.54 | Pavlov | but the sgx is crap comparitivly |
| 22:29.56 | andre__ | GAN800, don't know. install that timemachine thingy i told ya! ;-) |
| 22:30.01 | Pavlov | Stskeeps: sigh:) |
| 22:30.05 | ShadowJK | The DSP is like symbian, only people who write code for it are either mentally insane or locked up in a corporate basement being whipped into doing it |
| 22:30.07 | GAN800 | Pavlov, TI's codecs are much more open for OMAP3 than 2 |
| 22:30.09 | brainy142 | O I remeber one of the people working on an emulator for the pandora just used the dsp |
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| 22:30.29 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ah! |
| 22:30.53 | lcuk | i want to see the best of new code on my maemo device making as much use of available hardware as possible. :) |
| 22:30.57 | Pavlov | GAN800: I'm deeply aware of the capibilities/shortcomings of both |
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| 22:31.30 | GeneralAntilles | Pavlov, fair enough, but I still say Tegra's a joke. :P |
| 22:31.43 | Pavlov | we'll see ;) |
| 22:31.44 | brainy142 | really? |
| 22:31.49 | Pavlov | i do wish it had neon support |
| 22:31.51 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, how much are the 3.4 templates likely to change before release? |
| 22:31.56 | brainy142 | I thought tegra was good??? |
| 22:32.01 | GeneralAntilles | brainy142, ARM11 CPU. |
| 22:32.05 | Pavlov | brainy142: it is |
| 22:32.05 | brainy142 | oh |
| 22:32.09 | GeneralAntilles | The only thing "good" about it is the big GPU. |
| 22:32.13 | lcuk | isnt it many arm11s tho? |
| 22:32.14 | brainy142 | :D |
| 22:32.20 | GeneralAntilles | Which is entirely offset by the 3-year-old CPU. |
| 22:32.27 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, as far as I've seen the bugzilla release process so far there won't be big changes |
| 22:32.42 | brainy142 | well at LEAST were NOT working with mepis here rofl :D |
| 22:32.45 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, OK, then I'm going to start working on the 3.4 templates for Newstyle. |
| 22:32.50 | andre__ | oh cool |
| 22:33.21 | andre__ | sounds like i owe you more than one beer at the summit :) |
| 22:33.24 | GeneralAntilles | still needs to whip Mercurial into shape. |
| 22:33.35 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, meh, don't really drink. ;) |
| 22:34.16 | brainy142 | hmm... but arm 8 cortex cant play warcraft 3... That would be the... best... day... ever |
| 22:34.39 | Pavlov | when is maemo summit ? october? |
| 22:34.42 | GeneralAntilles | Yeah |
| 22:34.51 | brainy142 | I bet the cortex is faster than the computer I'm using :( |
| 22:35.14 | ShadowJK | brainy142, that seems unlikely :) |
| 22:35.30 | brainy142 | amd 2000+ no video card enough said... |
| 22:35.45 | brainy142 | and crappy via drivers with no 3d support |
| 22:36.06 | Pavlov | .8-1ghz cortex a8s are pretty fast |
| 22:36.40 | GeneralAntilles | 1.4-1.8GHz ARM11 equivalent. |
| 22:36.47 | brainy142 | hmm.... wonder if the cc1600 mids will be any good |
| 22:37.56 | brainy142 | hey GeneralAntilles how fast would the cortex have to be to match 1.2 ggz arm 11? |
| 22:38.10 | brainy142 | as this would make something make sense |
| 22:38.26 | GeneralAntilles | ~700MHz |
| 22:38.29 | Pavlov | depends a lot on what its doing |
| 22:38.33 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3630 is what you'd be looking for |
| 22:38.34 | GeneralAntilles | RIght |
| 22:38.36 | GeneralAntilles | On average |
| 22:38.38 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 22:38.41 | Pavlov | thats fair estimate |
| 22:38.43 | GeneralAntilles | OMAP3430 will reach that in certain cases. |
| 22:39.14 | GeneralAntilles | Be sweet if Nokia could just swap an OMAP3630 in at this point. |
| 22:39.32 | brainy142 | I have a mips pocket pc rofl |
| 22:39.40 | brainy142 | I bet that = fail now |
| 22:39.59 | Pavlov | if arm11 had neon it would be a lot better |
| 22:40.23 | Pavlov | im ready for some a9 cpus though |
| 22:40.26 | ShadowJK | But they have to make a totally new device with different case and different components, and run it through their robotic "push this button 100,000 times" test facility and their "pick it up and drop it from 1 metre height" test facility a few dozen times until it stops breaking :P |
| 22:41.09 | brainy142 | hmm.... a9 sounds fast... |
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| 22:42.47 | brainy142 | any idea when this new nokia thing is coming? |
| 22:43.09 | GeneralAntilles | brainy142, few months. |
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| 22:43.16 | ShadowJK | there's a rumour saying October for europe |
| 22:43.21 | GeneralAntilles | A9s will be next year. |
| 22:43.43 | GeneralAntilles | If they don't have a simultaneous US/EU release I'm going to start sacrificing Nokians at the Summit. |
| 22:43.49 | brainy142 | lol |
| 22:44.04 | brainy142 | I'l get the pitchforks..... can you get the torches? |
| 22:44.05 | ShadowJK | GeneralAntilles, ah well but the rumour said a stupid locked-in US release first :-) |
| 22:44.38 | ShadowJK | btw, did you know that they release(d) their "Communicator" devices first in Indonesia? :P |
| 22:45.07 | brainy142 | whats the mer website? |
| 22:45.27 | ShadowJK | Apparently the communicators have a cult status/following there after what must be one of the few clever and successful Nokia marketing schemes ever :> |
| 22:45.28 | GeneralAntilles | ~mer |
| 22:45.29 | infobot | i guess mer is http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 22:45.47 | brainy142 | why does it have maemo in it???? |
| 22:46.03 | GeneralAntilles | Because Mer is very closely related to Maemo |
| 22:46.08 | GeneralAntilles | Despite Luke-Jr's trolling. |
| 22:46.37 | brainy142 | so I'm going to assume to ignore him.... |
| 22:46.54 | ShadowJK | brainy142, do you know who Stallman is? |
| 22:47.09 | brainy142 | nope |
| 22:47.13 | ShadowJK | oh well |
| 22:47.22 | brainy142 | who is he? |
| 22:47.56 | ShadowJK | brainy142, have you seen star wars? |
| 22:47.59 | brainy142 | ... they look *almost the same* in the screen shots??? |
| 22:48.06 | brainy142 | I've seen it |
| 22:48.14 | GeneralAntilles | brainy142, Mer is a more open source version of Maemo. |
| 22:48.21 | brainy142 | oh |
| 22:48.23 | ShadowJK | Imagine Luke is Anakin Skywalker |
| 22:48.37 | ShadowJK | he's angry and frustrated :P |
| 22:48.47 | brainy142 | rofl |
| 22:49.04 | brainy142 | so maemo = windows of the arm os's? |
| 22:49.11 | GeneralAntilles | Not at all. |
| 22:49.16 | brainy142 | good |
| 22:49.25 | GeneralAntilles | Maemo is about 80% open source and 20% closed. |
| 22:49.30 | brainy142 | but I know one thing wince = fail |
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| 22:49.48 | GeneralAntilles | and the money and time Nokia has put into mobile open source development for Maemo is massive. |
| 22:49.59 | brainy142 | yay |
| 22:50.08 | brainy142 | nokia likes open source |
| 22:50.25 | brainy142 | my computer wont run any closed source os any more |
| 22:50.46 | ShadowJK | There are some closed source components, and some people (notably luke) are very angry about it |
| 22:51.00 | brainy142 | it just spitts out blue screens.... during installation (I got a bluescreen trying to install xp) |
| 22:51.19 | brainy142 | ah so thats why luke hates maemo |
| 22:51.58 | ShadowJK | on the N810 the 3D acceleration is unusable because there are no drivers and no specs, and the GPS chip is undocumented and has no opensource drivers. The battery management and other components that Nokia brought over from their cellphones also has no open source drivers. |
| 22:52.17 | GeneralAntilles | brainy142, he's hardline open source. |
| 22:52.41 | brainy142 | ah |
| 22:52.47 | brainy142 | sounds annoying to program for |
| 22:52.51 | ShadowJK | I hope he continues his quest to get a current kernel working :) |
| 22:53.00 | brainy142 | :D |
| 22:54.32 | brainy142 | he must DISPISE windows rofl |
| 22:54.32 | brainy142 | ..... I got a funny idea |
| 22:54.32 | brainy142 | want to hear it shadow? |
| 22:54.33 | ShadowJK | sure |
| 22:54.48 | brainy142 | we say we made a new version of his mer thing but, we make it install win ce |
| 22:54.59 | brainy142 | then he will be in agony |
| 22:55.28 | ShadowJK | he's working on getting gentoo installed anyway, I think.. |
| 22:55.58 | brainy142 | lol the logo looks like pacman... |
| 22:56.41 | brainy142 | well I guess I'l have to wait for that "sweet spot" mid |
| 22:57.04 | ShadowJK | The reason people like SmartQ5/7 is that the spec for the SoC were leaked, so they're available, and the chinese company that makes them are very friendly and actually give answers when the Mer team asks them questions. The SmartQ devices are wonderful for hackers/coders in that sense :P |
| 22:57.09 | ShadowJK | plus they're affordable |
| 22:58.35 | ShadowJK | So if you're a hardline opensource person, you'd boycot Nokia and shovel money at the chinese devices for being open. ;) |
| 22:58.58 | brainy142 | I'm not hardline :D |
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| 22:59.28 | mavhc | and are these smartq's as fast as the n810? |
| 22:59.41 | brainy142 | great... now I'm stuck between a pillow and another slightly less confy pillow |
| 22:59.58 | mavhc | don't suffocate |
| 23:00.03 | brainy142 | lol |
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| 23:00.38 | brainy142 | I wonder if he would agree with there other decision smar q made... |
| 23:00.47 | brainy142 | wince option lol |
| 23:02.09 | ShadowJK | mavhc, I haven't seen benchmarks, but I think they are faster. |
| 23:02.33 | mavhc | only review I saw said it was slow, but that could have been their software |
| 23:02.39 | brainy142 | what about telechips??? |
| 23:03.35 | brainy142 | wait.... hehehe you should tell luke his computer bios isn't open source *gasp* |
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| 23:06.14 | mavhc | there are open bios projects |
| 23:07.06 | Macer | wow. there were so many people stuck on death camp trains |
| 23:07.16 | brainy142 | death camp? |
| 23:07.37 | Macer | im watching part 5 to auschwitz |
| 23:07.45 | brainy142 | oh |
| 23:07.50 | Macer | the nazis and the final solution |
| 23:08.05 | brainy142 | lol "solution" |
| 23:08.26 | Macer | ever see conspiracy? |
| 23:08.40 | brainy142 | nope |
| 23:08.53 | Macer | it is about the meeting that determined what to do about the jewish problem. nazis were totally nuts |
| 23:09.00 | brainy142 | ah |
| 23:09.18 | Macer | i mean. they were mad. seriously nuts |
| 23:09.30 | brainy142 | didn't they cage them |
| 23:09.53 | Macer | towards the end of the war they went on a killing frenzy |
| 23:09.55 | brainy142 | I'm pretty sure my history teacher showed us something about cages |
| 23:10.18 | Macer | they started killing 75% of arrivals |
| 23:10.48 | brainy142 | that sucks |
| 23:11.03 | brainy142 | wait there isn't even a word for that |
| 23:11.52 | brainy142 | now if you want a mind screw anme watch Higurashi n _Naku_Koro ni |
| 23:12.09 | Macer | heh |
| 23:12.17 | Macer | what is the english name? |
| 23:12.24 | ShadowJK | when cicadas cry |
| 23:12.27 | ShadowJK | or something like that |
| 23:12.28 | brainy142 | ya |
| 23:13.06 | brainy142 | you wont understand hardly ANYTHING for like 30 episodes |
| 23:13.16 | Macer | haha |
| 23:13.34 | brainy142 | then now there is ANOTHER SEASON |
| 23:13.41 | Macer | like neon genesis? |
| 23:13.45 | Macer | it started normal |
| 23:13.50 | Macer | and then went way off |
| 23:14.01 | brainy142 | I need to see that neon show |
| 23:14.09 | brainy142 | after I watch trigun |
| 23:14.16 | brainy142 | man trigun is funny |
| 23:14.16 | ShadowJK | nah, higurashi is like halfway to neon genesis level of "huh?" |
| 23:14.16 | Macer | it isnt that good |
| 23:14.24 | Macer | nor is trigun |
| 23:14.32 | Macer | ShadowJK: haha |
| 23:14.33 | brainy142 | oh come on trigun = funny |
| 23:14.42 | Macer | yeah. ng lost me |
| 23:14.52 | brainy142 | and shadow did you watch all of the higurash episodes |
| 23:14.56 | Macer | i mean it went all starving artist by episode 5 |
| 23:14.59 | ShadowJK | I haven't watched second season yet |
| 23:15.10 | brainy142 | 2nd season was the better onw] |
| 23:15.31 | brainy142 | hint: It contines right after |
| 23:15.49 | ShadowJK | Another mind-tickling anime: Serial Experiments Lain |
| 23:15.54 | brainy142 | then finally it ends on ep 22 of the kai series |
| 23:16.02 | Macer | ShadowJK: that was awesome tho |
| 23:16.07 | Macer | i liked lain |
| 23:16.18 | brainy142 | then we actually get something you would never expect from the anime |
| 23:16.32 | brainy142 | a freaking "fan-service" |
| 23:17.04 | ShadowJK | It's not an unusual pattern. After slaving away for 44 episodes, surely the artists deserve to do whatever the hell they want :-) |
| 23:17.09 | brainy142 | I'm amped for the ri episode 4 man I wonder what rika is going to do |
| 23:17.50 | brainy142 | O man I cant say (spoilers) but it is a HUGE choice |
| 23:18.04 | brainy142 | unless you want me too |
| 23:18.10 | ShadowJK | no, please shut up :-) |
| 23:18.23 | brainy142 | your going to watch it? |
| 23:18.57 | ShadowJK | Yeah eventually. My backlog is only a few TB. |
| 23:18.57 | brainy142 | lol |
| 23:19.16 | brainy142 | worst part is that I have to wait an entire month for the next episode |
| 23:19.30 | brainy142 | dam subbers.... |
| 23:19.39 | brainy142 | o well I guess they have a life too |
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| 23:20.22 | ShadowJK | Usually second and third seasons is a sign that the series isn't worth watching, you know |
| 23:20.30 | brainy142 | ps the higuashi takes a few episodes for the total mind screw to occour |
| 23:20.47 | brainy142 | ??? |
| 23:20.47 | Macer | ShadowJK: watched noein? |
| 23:20.53 | Macer | that was pretty good |
| 23:21.01 | ShadowJK | I plan to |
| 23:21.03 | brainy142 | well I guess I'l have to watch neon |
| 23:21.07 | Macer | it is great |
| 23:21.07 | brainy142 | too |
| 23:21.13 | Macer | i liked it a lot |
| 23:21.24 | Macer | pretty twisted |
| 23:21.29 | brainy142 | It better pull me in or I will be dissapointed |
| 23:21.30 | ShadowJK | speaking of watching, I have N800 and a 8gig SD card waiting :P |
| 23:21.46 | brainy142 | ah but n800 cant play mkv |
| 23:21.48 | Macer | brainy142: you will like it until ep4 |
| 23:21.52 | Macer | heh |
| 23:21.55 | ShadowJK | brainy142, I convert |
| 23:22.06 | brainy142 | why would I start hating it |
| 23:22.12 | brainy142 | mkv= annoying to convert |
| 23:22.29 | brainy142 | well.... if you need the subs |
| 23:22.33 | ShadowJK | Yeah, mkv is particulary challenging to get through the mencoder bug-minefield |
| 23:22.53 | brainy142 | rofl |
| 23:23.09 | brainy142 | I got one converter thats been working great recently |
| 23:23.55 | brainy142 | and it's free :) |
| 23:24.08 | ShadowJK | I forget how I did it. I suspect I converted video losslessly to huffyuv-in-avi with ffmpeg and then re-encoded it with mencoder and remuxed with original audio and subs from the original mkv into a new mkv. Maybe. I don't remember exactly :-) |
| 23:24.24 | brainy142 | wow my way = easyer |
| 23:24.34 | ShadowJK | what's your way? |
| 23:24.41 | brainy142 | mkv2vob |
| 23:24.51 | brainy142 | *oddly it doesn't convert to vob |
| 23:24.58 | brainy142 | t spits out mpegs |
| 23:26.06 | brainy142 | I remeber trying to flash a router..... I faileed |
| 23:29.31 | brainy142 | well I might be back later I'm going to watch a movie |
| 23:31.35 | Maiku | Stskeeps: hurray! it compiled, I just had to do what you said then grab rfkill.h from 2.6.22... no idea if it will work or not |
| 23:32.22 | tomaterr | dang |
| 23:32.38 | tomaterr | i think my issue is hardware-based |
| 23:34.10 | amr- | im actually at a loss of what to play with on my tablet |
| 23:34.18 | amr- | email is sorted, as is irc, msn etc |
| 23:34.19 | man_in_shack | KIRBY |
| 23:34.29 | amr- | you can play kirby on your tablet? |
| 23:34.36 | man_in_shack | get vgb, download the original kirby game for gameboy :) |
| 23:34.41 | amr- | ooo |
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| 23:34.55 | amr- | the only games i have are quake and maemodrac |
| 23:35.07 | man_in_shack | only issue with it from what i can see is that the on-screen controls don't support multiple fingers at a time |
| 23:35.08 | amr- | hell i might just install pokemon too! :P |
| 23:35.20 | amr- | can i use the n810 hardware kb? |
| 23:35.33 | amr- | does sega/nes emulation work? |
| 23:35.37 | amr- | work well |
| 23:35.53 | man_in_shack | nes emulation seems fine with ines |
| 23:36.01 | Maiku | Stskeeps: oh, and make a small change in wme.c |
| 23:36.06 | man_in_shack | mg (sega systems) does not seem to work |
| 23:36.11 | amr- | ah |
| 23:36.20 | amr- | i quite fancy some original sonic |
| 23:36.21 | amr- | or mario |
| 23:36.27 | man_in_shack | and yes, you can use the hardware kb, but i haven't had success pressing two perpendicular directions at once |
| 23:36.40 | amr- | im almost sure i had sonic working at some point |
| 23:36.57 | man_in_shack | amr-, if it wasn't for the fact that gens-gs has i386 asm at the heart, i'd be trying to port it to maemo :) |
| 23:37.13 | amr- | heh |
| 23:39.44 | man_in_shack | let's see ... |
| 23:40.02 | man_in_shack | if you want a completely insane game that you can't beat for anything, tuxpuck is good |
| 23:40.53 | tomaterr | man... |
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| 23:41.02 | tomaterr | has any1 used nokia rma? |
| 23:41.59 | amr- | ah i did get sonic advance working perfectly fine! |
| 23:43.40 | tomaterr | does nokia even have rma? |
| 23:43.55 | man_in_shack | tomaterr, they'd have to |
| 23:44.05 | man_in_shack | if the hardware is faulty, and covered by warranty |
| 23:44.06 | amr- | can i return my 770? :P |
| 23:44.24 | amr- | my old and ancient 770 |
| 23:45.11 | man_in_shack | if it's faulty and under warranty, sure. you could get a new one in exchange ;) |
| 23:45.25 | amr- | thatd actually be fantastic |
| 23:45.31 | amr- | its deffo under a year old |
| 23:45.41 | amr- | i assume thats how long the warranty is |
| 23:45.51 | tomaterr | ah |
| 23:45.54 | tomaterr | I fond it |
| 23:46.14 | tomaterr | but, should I rma through nokia, or where I bought it? |
| 23:47.12 | man_in_shack | if you take it back where you bought it, they might be able to put the rma in for you |
| 23:47.12 | amr- | depends what country you live in too |
| 23:47.12 | man_in_shack | you might even be able to walk away with a new one, depending on their store policy |
| 23:47.13 | tomaterr | bought online |
| 23:47.14 | amr- | i know in the uk youd return it to the retailer |
| 23:48.39 | man_in_shack | ah |
| 23:48.48 | tomaterr | but, does nokia do the 'check for drop damage" thing? |
| 23:49.06 | amr- | say what now |
| 23:49.18 | tomaterr | like do they say |
| 23:49.20 | amr- | i seriously cannot recommend sonic advance & vgba highly |
| 23:49.30 | amr- | enough |
| 23:49.38 | tomaterr | this is because you dropped the device |
| 23:49.39 | amr- | absolutely fantastic |
| 23:49.42 | amr- | oh, dunno |
| 23:49.49 | tomaterr | no device for you |
| 23:49.56 | tomaterr | ok |
| 23:49.58 | tomaterr | thanks |
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| 23:51.07 | man_in_shack | amr-, vgba doesn't work well? |
| 23:52.17 | amr- | it does |
| 23:52.20 | amr- | it works fantastically |
| 23:52.26 | amr- | i meant i cant recommend it high enough |
| 23:52.54 | amr- | time to find more vgba games that work as well |
| 23:53.15 | tomaterr | I wish my n810 was working.... |
| 23:53.31 | man_in_shack | tomaterr, what did you do to it? :P |
| 23:53.36 | amr- | whats wrong with it? |
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