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| 00:31.47 | man_in_shack | blargle |
| 00:32.10 | man_in_shack | http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card#Remove_the_menu << this didn't work |
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| 00:33.28 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, case sensitive. |
| 00:33.45 | man_in_shack | i'm aware of that |
| 00:33.58 | man_in_shack | capital F, capital R |
| 00:34.24 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, well, either elaborate or I'm going elsewhere. |
| 00:34.42 | man_in_shack | what part of "this didn't work" don't you get? |
| 00:35.02 | man_in_shack | it's still got the bootmenu |
| 00:35.39 | man_in_shack | ah, nvm, i missed a step |
| 00:35.44 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 00:35.51 | LinuxCode | GeneralAntilles, it doesnt work |
| 00:36.02 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 00:36.10 | Maiku | if no one knows about my compiling wireless-compat, does anyone have any suggestions as to where else I could ask? |
| 00:36.14 | LinuxCode | always a good way to get help |
| 00:36.40 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, do the midget porn archivers society need you that much? |
| 00:36.40 | man_in_shack | LinuxCode, did you read the link? |
| 00:37.04 | lcuk | (now, question for you to ponder, is it midget porn actors, or just tiny archivists) |
| 00:37.18 | LinuxCode | no, I was too much engaged in giggling after you said, it doesnt work |
| 00:37.26 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, pool pump needed attention. |
| 00:37.31 | LinuxCode | has a look |
| 00:37.35 | man_in_shack | LinuxCode, then stfu and go fuck yourself |
| 00:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, :rolleyes: |
| 00:37.46 | LinuxCode | ohh dear |
| 00:37.48 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, OK, second strike. |
| 00:37.56 | man_in_shack | cos seriously, it's not that hard to comprehend |
| 00:37.56 | LinuxCode | closes the web page again |
| 00:37.59 | LinuxCode | fine |
| 00:38.01 | lcuk | :S man_in_shack got out of bed wrong side of the planet |
| 00:38.12 | LinuxCode | guess you dont want help then |
| 00:38.31 | lcuk | hey, lc you wanna have a tinker with the new lb framework |
| 00:38.46 | LinuxCode | lcuk, no time mate, im at LinuxTag in Berlin |
| 00:38.53 | LinuxCode | FUDcon tomorrow |
| 00:38.55 | lcuk | i was there last year, whatcha up2 |
| 00:39.08 | LinuxCode | you were ? |
| 00:39.12 | lcuk | yeah |
| 00:39.12 | LinuxCode | ;-p |
| 00:39.15 | lcuk | fluffing up a pres |
| 00:39.16 | man_in_shack | GeneralAntilles, "it didn't work" is pretty self explanatory in context of the link |
| 00:39.22 | LinuxCode | ohh wow cool |
| 00:39.25 | LinuxCode | I didnt know that |
| 00:39.27 | lcuk | man_in_shack, not really |
| 00:39.33 | man_in_shack | yes if fucking is |
| 00:39.36 | lcuk | since not everyone opens links |
| 00:39.36 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, hardly, but I'm not going to argue with you about it. |
| 00:40.01 | LinuxCode | lcuk, we are running fudcon again in Berlin |
| 00:40.08 | LinuxCode | started today |
| 00:40.12 | LinuxCode | been here since Tuesday |
| 00:40.14 | man_in_shack | lcuk, those people have no intention of helping people then |
| 00:40.26 | lcuk | cool |
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| 00:40.50 | lcuk | man_in_shack, you ever heard of talking about a problem rather than sending them to pages. sometimes it helsp find your own mistakes |
| 00:40.56 | lcuk | as it did in this case you fuckwit |
| 00:41.07 | LinuxCode | lcuk, easy now |
| 00:41.11 | LinuxCode | not worth it |
| 00:41.14 | man_in_shack | no it didn't |
| 00:41.16 | GeneralAntilles | 20 questions is no fun. |
| 00:41.20 | LinuxCode | just ignore |
| 00:41.32 | lcuk | good point |
| 00:41.39 | lcuk | ive been serene this evening |
| 00:41.45 | LinuxCode | have you now ;-D |
| 00:41.48 | lcuk | made a micro php forum |
| 00:42.00 | lcuk | which accepts sketches as data |
| 00:42.32 | GeneralAntilles | recalls several people want web stuff from him. |
| 00:43.11 | lcuk | well gan, i still know no more than last year, but i did manage to write a html parser |
| 00:43.31 | lcuk | and the only page it could understand was my crappy hand written simple basic site :D |
| 00:43.45 | lcuk | it got confused by anything more complex :D |
| 00:43.47 | GeneralAntilles | I need to beat Mercurial into submission again to get MXR into shape |
| 00:44.03 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk, yeah, I notice my design is still wasting away. :P |
| 00:44.12 | lcuk | i cant modify it :'( |
| 00:44.18 | lcuk | it hurts my ickle brain |
| 00:44.21 | GeneralAntilles | and my page was handwritten, too. |
| 00:44.31 | lcuk | with ninja magic |
| 00:44.39 | lcuk | you mustv written it in american or somethin ;) |
| 00:44.41 | LinuxCode | please dont mention html parser to me |
| 00:44.43 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 00:44.48 | GeneralAntilles | I my steal that design for another site. |
| 00:44.50 | GeneralAntilles | http://liqbase.garage.maemo.org/working/ |
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| 00:45.00 | LinuxCode | wasted 30 mins to get a guy a slot today to talk at BarCamp/Hackfest |
| 00:45.17 | LinuxCode | then he stays for the initial presentation, then drops out last minute ;-| |
| 00:45.55 | man_in_shack | oh dear |
| 00:45.56 | LinuxCode | writing a html parser that then changes it into perl or whatever other language you want |
| 00:45.59 | man_in_shack | your life is over now! |
| 00:46.04 | lcuk | heh i managed to talk for about 2 minutes, dropped my *handwritten* notes, got scared of the mic and ran away :) |
| 00:46.12 | LinuxCode | lcuk, lol |
| 00:46.24 | LinuxCode | at least you turned up |
| 00:46.27 | man_in_shack | ok, this bastard still isn't flashing the initfs |
| 00:46.46 | LinuxCode | we were pretty pissed, because some people didnt turn up |
| 00:47.00 | LinuxCode | and happened to not inform any of us |
| 00:47.01 | lcuk | yeah, i at least turned up and tried |
| 00:47.19 | man_in_shack | the flasher is detecting the n810, i'm holding "swap" down while turning it on |
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| 00:47.58 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/60285/ << tail end of flasher output |
| 00:48.01 | lcuk | im bedding anyway, ill speak soon LinuxCode, have fun |
| 00:48.04 | man_in_shack | it's not actually writing to the n810 |
| 00:48.27 | LinuxCode | kk later |
| 00:48.30 | LinuxCode | I should go too |
| 00:48.35 | lcuk | gnite GeneralAntilles \o |
| 00:48.41 | GeneralAntilles | later |
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| 00:51.45 | man_in_shack | any ideas? |
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| 01:10.09 | man_in_shack | GeneralAntilles, any ideas? |
| 01:11.18 | GeneralAntilles | man_in_shack, what command did you use? |
| 01:11.34 | man_in_shack | the one from that damn page i linked |
| 01:11.50 | man_in_shack | using statically linked flasher 3.0 |
| 01:11.58 | man_in_shack | ./flasher-3.0-static -F RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=initfs -R |
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| 01:13.06 | GeneralAntilles | It looks like a malformed command error, but I can't really say |
| 01:13.14 | GeneralAntilles | Can you pastebin the whole log? |
| 01:14.04 | man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/60288/ |
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| 01:14.49 | GeneralAntilles | What are you flashing from? |
| 01:15.25 | man_in_shack | amd64 debian system ... |
| 01:16.26 | GeneralAntilles | Don't know |
| 01:17.07 | GeneralAntilles | You can always flash it with the fiasco-flasher, though. |
| 01:17.10 | GeneralAntilles | ~flasher |
| 01:17.10 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 01:17.24 | GeneralAntilles | fiasco-flasher -i <initfs jffs2 image> -f -R |
| 01:17.40 | GeneralAntilles | You'll have to expand the FIASCO image and stick the initfs image on your tablet though. |
| 01:19.29 | man_in_shack | can do |
| 01:22.36 | man_in_shack | throws GeneralAntilles a keg of good, australian beer |
| 01:24.28 | man_in_shack | fiasco-flasher worked fine :D |
| 01:33.34 | man_in_shack | acknowledge my gratitude already :P |
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| 01:40.20 | GeneralAntilles | I look at the AppStore and am continually unimpressed. |
| 01:41.30 | man_in_shack | appstore? |
| 01:41.36 | GeneralAntilles | iPhone |
| 01:41.41 | man_in_shack | that's what i thought |
| 01:41.46 | man_in_shack | did you see the new porn viewer? |
| 01:41.59 | GeneralAntilles | Yes, saw it in top applications tonight |
| 01:42.04 | man_in_shack | hah |
| 01:42.09 | man_in_shack | it looks hilarious |
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| 01:42.39 | man_in_shack | seems to me like the "640k should be enough for anyone" of porn managers |
| 01:56.20 | n6pfk | How do you get the on-screen keyboard displayed when when the keyboard is extended on the N810? |
| 01:56.31 | man_in_shack | i don't think you do |
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| 01:56.53 | man_in_shack | i mean, if you've got the keyboard extended, why do you want to consume screen space? :) |
| 01:57.15 | n6pfk | Because I want to, the reason is immaterial. |
| 01:57.55 | man_in_shack | well, i'm pretty confident it won't let you |
| 01:59.05 | AStorm | well, you can |
| 01:59.21 | AStorm | I think |
| 01:59.48 | n6pfk | I have had it pop up but don't know how to do it reliably. |
| 02:00.08 | AStorm | hmm, at least in powerlaunch, not sure if in standard maemo |
| 02:01.37 | n6pfk | I make fewer mistake and get fewer double keys when using it to type in a long command string in the terminal. |
| 02:04.55 | man_in_shack | so contracting the keyboard temporarily is not an option either? |
| 02:10.54 | n6pfk | Closing my the keyboard doesn't seem to automatically bring up the virtual one. |
| 02:14.02 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 02:14.05 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 27m 37s ago, saying: 'where did this subject come from? xD'. |
| 02:14.12 | xnt14 | 3 hours? xD |
| 02:14.21 | man_in_shack | no ... but hitting a text area will :) |
| 02:15.34 | n6pfk | Why not just hitting a text area with it extended. Seems natural to me. |
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| 02:24.13 | man_in_shack | because most people don't want their screen space consumed by something they already have |
| 02:26.34 | ShadowJK | shift-space on the hw keyboard changes behaviour |
| 02:26.41 | ShadowJK | i think osk starts popping up then too |
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| 02:26.56 | man_in_shack | i'll check it out |
| 02:28.09 | man_in_shack | all that does for me is show/hide the bar that shows suggestions and current typing mode |
| 02:29.49 | man_in_shack | also, it still registers as hitting space, at least in pygtkeditor |
| 02:33.19 | ShadowJK | I didn't suggest shift-space would show/hide the osk |
| 02:38.19 | man_in_shack | <ShadowJK> i think osk starts popping up then too |
| 02:39.22 | ShadowJK | it changes behaviour |
| 02:39.28 | ShadowJK | it doesn't trigger the osk |
| 02:49.33 | n6pfk | Shift space seems to do nothing. |
| 02:50.04 | n6pfk | Or at least nothing I notice. |
| 02:50.23 | ShadowJK | I just tried it in an xterm |
| 02:50.31 | ShadowJK | the statusbar went away, I tapped in xterm, osk came up |
| 02:50.35 | ShadowJK | shift space, the osk went away |
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| 02:56.49 | man_in_shack | ok, maybe it wasn't registering my taps on screens correctly. i'll try again |
| 02:58.24 | man_in_shack | ah, that was quite convincing |
| 02:58.43 | man_in_shack | now i have the large finger-friendly osk :) |
| 02:58.54 | man_in_shack | n6pfk, so yeah, shift space then tap in the text area |
| 02:58.57 | man_in_shack | as ShadowJK said |
| 02:59.41 | man_in_shack | i'm wondering if i can speed up my boot time ... e.g. disable the nokia logo with the hands and the music :P |
| 03:03.59 | Luke-Jr | unlikely |
| 03:04.19 | Luke-Jr | install a current OS? |
| 03:06.05 | man_in_shack | hmm? |
| 03:06.11 | man_in_shack | it has diablo |
| 03:06.41 | Luke-Jr | Maemo/Diablo isn't maintained for N8x0 anymore |
| 03:07.30 | man_in_shack | is there something that IS maintained for n8x0? |
| 03:07.38 | Luke-Jr | Mer and Gentoo |
| 03:07.43 | Luke-Jr | maybe Ubuntu |
| 03:07.51 | man_in_shack | mer is nowhere near polished enough for my needs |
| 03:08.01 | man_in_shack | also, i think it boots slower :) |
| 03:08.05 | Luke-Jr | as if Maemo was better? |
| 03:08.31 | man_in_shack | well, at least maemo has proper support for the hardware keyboard :P |
| 03:08.52 | Luke-Jr | Mer doesn't? |
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| 03:09.07 | man_in_shack | mer doesn't seem to hide the osk |
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| 03:11.38 | n6pfk | I tried tapping and still no joy? |
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| 03:12.49 | Luke-Jr | last i knew, mer had no osk |
| 03:13.21 | man_in_shack | if mer has no osk, it's useless for n800 users :D |
| 03:13.54 | Luke-Jr | oh well :þ |
| 03:14.09 | n6pfk | I tapped with the stylus. |
| 03:14.19 | n6pfk | And with my finger. |
| 03:14.29 | man_in_shack | n6pfk, after hitting shift+space? |
| 03:14.47 | n6pfk | Yes. |
| 03:15.00 | man_in_shack | does the typing mode bar disappear? |
| 03:16.15 | n6pfk | yes |
| 03:16.26 | man_in_shack | ok, i'm not sure then |
| 03:16.28 | man_in_shack | it worked for me |
| 03:16.55 | n6pfk | here did you tap on the screen? |
| 03:17.01 | n6pfk | Where |
| 03:17.06 | man_in_shack | in the text area |
| 03:17.39 | n6pfk | Oh well, just not working for me. |
| 03:17.52 | n6pfk | Thanks for the attempt. |
| 03:18.06 | man_in_shack | transfers n6pfk thanks to ShadowJK |
| 03:20.49 | n6pfk | Settings had to be changed to enable the on screen keyboard. It works now, Tahnks. |
| 03:20.54 | n6pfk | Thanks. |
| 03:21.12 | man_in_shack | lol |
| 03:21.22 | man_in_shack | so had you disabled osk completely? |
| 03:21.53 | n6pfk | Without knowing it. |
| 03:21.59 | man_in_shack | nods |
| 03:22.22 | n6pfk | Happy, happy now! |
| 03:22.39 | man_in_shack | :) |
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| 05:43.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 06:15.18 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 06:17.05 | Stskeeps | morn |
| 06:25.22 | RST38h | moo all |
| 06:25.43 | RST38h | Hmm...Slashdotters are choosing a country to immigrate to (from UK) |
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| 06:30.53 | Stskeeps | morning kozak |
| 06:32.58 | kozak | Hi Stskeeps! |
| 06:33.01 | kozak | long time |
| 06:33.28 | Stskeeps | indeed, how is it going? |
| 06:33.31 | kozak | morning! hows mer |
| 06:33.40 | Stskeeps | it's okay, i think :P |
| 06:33.56 | kozak | doing better ... but stuck with work :) |
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| 06:34.46 | kozak | working on the DSP bridge now :) ..... |
| 06:34.47 | Stskeeps | i just spent a week fighting with the SATA controller on a intel board, - board won :P |
| 06:34.54 | kozak | coool |
| 06:34.56 | Stskeeps | (at work) |
| 06:35.00 | kozak | yep :) |
| 06:35.13 | Stskeeps | we had to resort to booting from USB sticks, instead of compactflash on SATA.. |
| 06:35.45 | Stskeeps | works, but i hate those kind of hacks ;) |
| 06:37.41 | kozak | hmmm yeah ... any idea on the Intel - nokia venture? |
| 06:38.09 | kozak | intel's chips good enough for the mobile domain! |
| 06:38.35 | Stskeeps | only thing i read being interesting is the cooperation on a wide range of open source projects |
| 06:38.35 | Pavlov | n810 would have like 15 minute battery life with an atom chip |
| 06:39.07 | kozak | :D |
| 06:39.13 | Stskeeps | making sure that there's stable apis on key areas even between maemo and moblin can only be a good idea :P |
| 06:39.13 | kozak | yeah |
| 06:39.50 | kozak | yeah but moblin didnt take off.... better stick with maemo ... |
| 06:40.05 | Stskeeps | moblin will take off for netbooks |
| 06:40.15 | Stskeeps | and hopefully maemo for smaller devices |
| 06:40.21 | Stskeeps | there's different angles to it |
| 06:40.40 | kozak | hmmm different utility as well |
| 06:41.24 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 06:41.39 | Pavlov | moblin just doesnt seem very nice ;/ |
| 06:41.53 | Stskeeps | also, i can't believe that moblin is in any way power saving :P |
| 06:42.20 | kozak | yeah guess what would happen with atom +moblin :) |
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| 07:20.55 | RST38h | > |
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| 07:47.47 | wazd_n800 | heya maemo, heat came back to Moscow) |
| 07:49.00 | aquatix | morning all |
| 08:07.12 | RST38h | heya wazd, aquatix |
| 08:07.43 | Stskeeps | 'lo wazd |
| 08:07.52 | Stskeeps | or too late:P |
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| 08:09.11 | aquatix | seems so :) |
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| 08:10.31 | lcuk | melts |
| 08:10.36 | lcuk | mornin \o |
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| 08:19.11 | RST38h | hehe: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194891/Pensioners-kidnap-financial-adviser-lost-2m-batter-Zimmer-frames.html?ref=patrick.net |
| 08:20.17 | lcuk | It took them quite a while because they ran out of breath, said Mr Amburn, who was driven to the Bavarian lakeside home of one of the gang. :O |
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| 08:21.04 | RST38h | Well, age does this to people. Can't say they were senile though =) |
| 08:21.19 | lcuk | anything but |
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| 09:18.40 | Stskeeps | wb qwerty12_N810 |
| 09:18.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Thank you |
| 09:19.52 | Stskeeps | so are you on summer holidays yet? |
| 09:20.15 | lcuk | wishes he was a kid again |
| 09:20.22 | lcuk | mornin qwerty12_N810 |
| 09:20.40 | lcuk | qwerty12_N810, this is almost your last year of holidays and lazing around aint it |
| 09:20.43 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep, although I've been given homework by the college I wish to get into :O |
| 09:20.49 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: morning |
| 09:20.55 | qwerty12_N810 | I guess so :P |
| 09:20.55 | lcuk | haha poor u |
| 09:20.55 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: tear is now 'succeeded' btw :) |
| 09:21.13 | qwerty12_N810 | cool |
| 09:21.56 | Stskeeps | and claws-mail too, so including tear & claws-mail - thanks! |
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| 11:10.21 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 11:42.14 | lcuk | stuffs a lemon in RST38h's mouth |
| 11:43.25 | RST38h | swallows lemon without any adverse effects |
| 11:43.28 | lcuk | :O |
| 11:43.35 | lcuk | you need your own scp thingy |
| 11:43.49 | RST38h | Like, myself? |
| 11:43.51 | RST38h | Hmm |
| 11:44.04 | RST38h | needs to make VMS boot. |
| 11:44.28 | lcuk | heh im playing with php and libcurl :) |
| 11:44.56 | lcuk | since i dont want to polute t.m.o yet lol |
| 11:45.13 | locutus | RST38h: easy peasy |
| 11:45.48 | RST38h | lcuk: how are these two related? =) |
| 11:46.08 | RST38h | now suspects lcuk in adding web brwser to liqbase =) |
| 11:46.14 | lcuk | i did that a while back |
| 11:46.30 | lcuk | im adding upload capabilities to sketches |
| 11:46.38 | lcuk | its been able to auto download stuff for yonks |
| 11:46.39 | lcuk | ;) |
| 11:46.57 | lcuk | as easy as setting an image filename to a http: source, but thats not what im doing |
| 11:47.00 | lcuk | i want a sketching forum |
| 11:47.21 | lcuk | which would also dupe up as auto backup for me |
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| 11:49.17 | lcuk | RST38h, strange thing, the silly little html parser that i was playing with - it managed to read simple html quite well |
| 11:49.45 | lcuk | but then blew chunks with anything normal |
| 11:50.10 | RST38h | lcuk: Myy suggestion is to stay away from html parsing and rendering |
| 11:50.21 | RST38h | lcuk: Just use ready made engine like Webkit |
| 11:50.33 | lcuk | webkit renders to an RGB image surface :) |
| 11:50.40 | lcuk | impractical to bring in |
| 11:50.46 | lcuk | i investigated it a long time ago |
| 11:51.05 | lcuk | liq* excels when it uses the internal cell/tile model |
| 11:51.22 | lcuk | so if html can be supplied in that it would work as fast as the rest of my stuff :) |
| 11:51.40 | lcuk | simple html is something the nokia web runtime wants to achieve as well.. |
| 11:51.55 | lcuk | so a simple parser and a simple engine would go well together one day i bet :) |
| 11:52.36 | lcuk | but you are right, ive got many other things to do first |
| 11:52.50 | lcuk | principle is making sure my stuff isnt lost anymore |
| 11:53.59 | RST38h | you want to use simple html for "widgets"? |
| 11:54.05 | RST38h | or just playing around? |
| 11:54.50 | lcuk | big apps are just small lego blocks joined together in a sensible manner |
| 11:55.02 | lcuk | does it matter how the tree of contents gets into memory.. |
| 11:55.36 | lcuk | the sketchuploading is serious, i keep getting lost about which machine ive done stuff on and i need to get it together |
| 11:55.56 | lcuk | and i finally hit a tipping point |
| 11:56.04 | lcuk | so im making it happen :) |
| 11:56.55 | lcuk | even though i know nothing about the web or the lamp stack or anything like that lol |
| 11:58.50 | RST38h | hm |
| 12:00.11 | lcuk | has been contained in a microsoftie bubble for too long |
| 12:00.48 | RST38h | lcuk: Microsoft releases often, you are just playing around Linus style =) |
| 12:01.28 | RST38h | looks at the code and remembers that according to some computers and Satan are similar: neither will do anything to you unless specifically asked to |
| 12:02.20 | lcuk | heh |
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| 12:07.38 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: btw, should i look into updating our webkit? |
| 12:08.46 | pupnik | in full sunlight i can see how hildon scroll bars and text fields are flickering |
| 12:08.56 | pupnik | like 20 fps |
| 12:09.03 | pupnik | waste of cpu |
| 12:09.07 | RST38h | no |
| 12:09.12 | pupnik | no? |
| 12:09.14 | lcuk | thats prolly just hte lcd |
| 12:09.18 | RST38h | you are wrong |
| 12:09.26 | pupnik | ok |
| 12:09.51 | RST38h | it is lcd refresh, after the blizzard chip |
| 12:09.53 | pupnik | they are flickering though |
| 12:09.58 | lcuk | shimmering |
| 12:09.59 | RST38h | yes, a bit |
| 12:10.02 | pupnik | oh youre right |
| 12:10.05 | RST38h | it's hardware thing |
| 12:10.50 | RST38h | lcd should be constantly cycled with alternate current to prevent electrolisys |
| 12:11.04 | RST38h | that is what you are seeing most likely |
| 12:11.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: I guess so, why not? |
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| 12:18.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: k - just pondering if there was any massive improvements :P |
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| 12:19.16 | qwerty12_N810 | Bundyo told me he always wanted to build it for Mer. Diablo's libraries are too fucking old for him to bring the latest there. |
| 12:19.46 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 12:21.21 | RST38h | Anybody tried upgrading Diablo base packages, *unofficially*? |
| 12:21.50 | RST38h | Given that Nokia is not gong to support it? |
| 12:22.35 | Stskeeps | the community updates stuff |
| 12:23.30 | Stskeeps | its simple if someone takes it up, but noone would do it without incentive |
| 12:23.39 | qwerty12_N810 | Theoretically, osso-software-version-rx44-unlocked will allow one to do so but you'd have to update GLib first for many libs and it's gonna fun distributing them... |
| 12:23.54 | qwerty12_N810 | s/fun/be fun/ |
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| 12:26.06 | qwerty12_N810 | I want to build a newer version of libcurl and give it a different soname personally but I know I'd fuck up somewhere |
| 12:26.37 | RST38h | oh, btw qwerty, I owe you fMSX-Maemo sources... |
| 12:27.07 | qwerty12_N810 | Hehe, would be much appriciated :) |
| 12:28.41 | RST38h | sorry, I am constantly forgetting and running out of time =( |
| 12:30.33 | qwerty12_N810 | No, no, there's no rush or obligation or anything but I'm having a little trouble playing Metal Gear and I would like to be able to see if my theory is correct concerning the bit that is giving me trouble :) |
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| 12:38.44 | RST38h | qwerty: What is the problem with MG? |
| 12:40.10 | qwerty12_N810 | F4 fails to bring up the radio screen. I suspect it's due to your method of not making fMSX's menu come up |
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| 12:51.14 | RST38h | hohoho, I know what goes on with VAX now |
| 12:51.44 | RST38h | qwerty: That is easy, tablet has no F4 |
| 12:52.01 | RST38h | qwerty: I do not remember, does the latest version support virtual keyboard? |
| 12:52.37 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: the menu button is f4 |
| 12:52.48 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: yes, that |
| 12:53.01 | qwerty12_N810 | 's what I'm using :) |
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| 12:56.51 | qwerty12_N810 | "Congratulations qwerty111, Our ******Warez Team have tracked you down & have selected you to join our Warez community. We wanted to take this opportunity to see if we can get you to become part of our active and friendly Warez community here at ******Warez.com as we have noticed that you have been active in the warez scene." :\ |
| 12:57.36 | pupnik | spammers |
| 12:57.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Indeed, but they got my username right... |
| 13:00.05 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: warez galore |
| 13:00.23 | RST38h | Ok, now I know what is failing, but how do I fix it? =( |
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| 13:02.34 | Stskeeps | RST38h: mark it fixed in fremantle |
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| 13:11.23 | lopz | hola |
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| 13:13.05 | GAN800 | andre__, do we want to change the welcome message to 'Bugzilla'? To match some of the other stuff (wiki, etc.). |
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| 13:19.30 | RST38h | Sts: Do I look like timeless to you? |
| 13:19.43 | RST38h | Sts: Fixed alread, somewhat of a hack but will work. |
| 13:20.39 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet |
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| 13:27.14 | andre__ | GAN800, why not |
| 13:27.17 | GAN800 | Pride parade today |
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| 13:28.32 | GAN800 | Also, andre__, I think we need a user-selectable Hello Kitty! theme. That way the haters have nothing to complain aboout. |
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| 13:29.00 | andre__ | GAN800, i totally agree, but maybe we can make that a GSoC task for 2010 |
| 13:29.43 | RST38h | hmmmmmm |
| 13:29.59 | GAN800 | Psh, GSoC. That shit deserves to be aa 2010 Objective. :P |
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| 13:48.06 | RST38h | http://pics.livejournal.com/drugoi/pic/00s8p7eg.jpg |
| 13:48.21 | RST38h | (stewed, not grilled, in case you wonder) |
| 13:49.21 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: This in response to Stskeeps' "RST38h: i haven't seen a picture of you yet"? :P |
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| 13:49.53 | RST38h | qwerty: Nah, I am not stewed yet =) |
| 13:50.50 | Stskeeps | tries out Tear on mer |
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| 13:58.17 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: gconf-editor works well too |
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| 13:59.35 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, focusing in on thay day-to-day, eh? :P |
| 14:01.31 | Stskeeps | GAN800: yeah, obviously |
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| 14:27.39 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 15:11.22 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: damn, tear is fast on mer |
| 15:11.40 | Stskeeps | (working with it on n810 atm) |
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| 15:35.20 | GAN800 | Ah, Apple quality. 1-day-old iPhonr 3G S has a busted screen. |
| 15:35.44 | Stskeeps | don't tell me you bought an iphone |
| 15:36.07 | qwerty12_N810 | That's not Apple. It's the Maemo Gods taking revenge upon you for buying an iPhone ;) |
| 15:38.19 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: scary fact: the sound you hear from AP is alsa, not pulse or esd :P |
| 15:39.36 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: Ah, sorry for saying it's ESD then. The hildon api pages have hildon_play_system_sound() as using ESD... |
| 15:39.55 | Stskeeps | yeah, it uses libcanberra now |
| 15:40.01 | Stskeeps | which just takes whatever it wants :) |
| 15:40.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah, never bothered looking at the Fremantle SDK |
| 15:40.58 | qwerty12_N810 | Ah well, I guess this means that multimediad has hopefully pissed off |
| 15:45.07 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, nah, my mother upgraded hers. |
| 15:46.06 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: the cool thing is that it uses the sound files from half a year ago, made by zenvoid :) |
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| 16:03.52 | pupnik | :( |
| 16:04.06 | pupnik | rebboooot |
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| 17:09.16 | xnt14 | is bored to death |
| 17:09.48 | Stskeeps | learn vala and gtk and come help us in mer? :P |
| 17:09.54 | xnt14 | :P |
| 17:10.06 | xnt14 | Stskeeps, k I'll try to learn that :P :) |
| 17:10.26 | GAN800 | Get a job. |
| 17:10.44 | b-man16 | he's 14 ;p |
| 17:11.04 | Stskeeps | so? :P |
| 17:11.25 | Stskeeps | was a paperboy since 12 to be able to afford internet and computers |
| 17:11.31 | Stskeeps | xnt14: http://live.gnome.org/Vala/GTKSample |
| 17:11.33 | b-man16 | nvm |
| 17:11.36 | xnt14 | thinks about being an Intern for his districts IT Dep |
| 17:12.05 | Stskeeps | (same to b-man16, go learn vala, it looks like a good starting language, close to java/c#, useful later) |
| 17:12.07 | xnt14 | Stskeeps, o.0, that page loads fast in ff 3.5 :P |
| 17:12.31 | xnt14 | k |
| 17:12.51 | b-man16 | Stskeeps: shure :) |
| 17:13.18 | xnt14 | types a random infobot cmd before he starts learning vala + gtk :P |
| 17:13.26 | xnt14 | ~kill Luke-Jr |
| 17:13.27 | infobot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized fluxtachyon gun at Luke-Jr |
| 17:13.30 | Stskeeps | yay |
| 17:13.34 | xnt14 | :) |
| 17:13.39 | Stskeeps | xnt14: guide is at http://live.gnome.org/Vala obviously |
| 17:13.44 | b-man16 | rofl!! |
| 17:13.44 | xnt14 | k |
| 17:13.45 | xnt14 | :) |
| 17:13.46 | b-man16 | xD |
| 17:13.48 | xnt14 | xD |
| 17:15.57 | Macer | hello |
| 17:16.20 | Stskeeps | evening macer |
| 17:16.29 | Macer | Stskeeps: start working on integrating qtablet yet? |
| 17:17.02 | Stskeeps | Macer: oh, it already works in mer, long ago |
| 17:17.13 | Macer | oh? |
| 17:17.19 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 17:17.26 | Macer | can replace the gnome stuff ? |
| 17:17.41 | Stskeeps | .. not too much yet |
| 17:17.44 | Stskeeps | http://blip.tv/file/2107449/ |
| 17:17.44 | Macer | and use qtablet instead? |
| 17:17.50 | Stskeeps | ignore the quirks, there was a qt bug |
| 17:17.54 | Stskeeps | it's infact a lot faster :P |
| 17:18.05 | Macer | wow |
| 17:18.30 | Macer | going to order an n810 then |
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| 17:19.47 | Stskeeps | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/mer-0.15tear.png is neat too :P |
| 17:21.35 | Macer | thats pretty nice |
| 17:22.42 | Stskeeps | bloody fast browser |
| 17:23.37 | Macer | i really like the qtablet tho |
| 17:25.11 | Stskeeps | yeah but someone needs to develop it |
| 17:25.17 | Stskeeps | i can see where nokia wants to go with qt really |
| 17:25.49 | Macer | damn |
| 17:26.51 | Macer | i really like the way it looks |
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| 17:36.14 | pupnik | is there a way to play the new youtube format in mplayer without dropouts? |
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| 17:41.28 | Macer | Stskeeps: you think nokia wouldn't support it or somethig? |
| 17:41.32 | Macer | i don't see what the big deal would be |
| 17:41.38 | Macer | i guess because they use gtk based stuff? |
| 17:41.52 | Macer | or don't want something released that is better and draws away from their other things? |
| 17:43.39 | Macer | but mer looks nice in those Stskeeps |
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| 17:44.50 | johnsq | Re |
| 17:47.57 | Macer | never noticed there isn't an external dpad on the n810 |
| 17:48.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: Oh, believe me, you'll notice =) |
| 17:48.55 | Macer | haha |
| 17:48.58 | Macer | i was going to order one |
| 17:49.15 | Macer | how good is mer bt keyboard support? |
| 17:49.22 | Macer | and printer support and what not? :) |
| 17:49.33 | Macer | it would be awesome if there was openoffice with cups support on it |
| 17:49.47 | Macer | i'm sure it wouldn't run too fast but still. :) |
| 17:50.12 | Macer | i need something i can shove in my pocket and bust out to type papers on |
| 17:50.25 | Macer | using my su8w |
| 17:51.02 | Macer | i haven't been keeping up much with mer since i don't have my tablet anymore. i figured i would wait until n810s were around the $200 mark |
| 17:51.04 | lcuk | whenever i try typing with what i busted out of my pants with i always make typos cos it hits more than one key at a time |
| 17:51.06 | Macer | which they pretty muh are now |
| 17:51.17 | Macer | :-P |
| 17:51.46 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: there was a rumour that the twig snapped |
| 17:52.02 | Macer | anybody ever make something that works with like gmail video? |
| 17:52.05 | Macer | :) |
| 17:52.42 | Macer | i mean if the point of mer is to show that a tablet can be treated as a full fledged portable energy efficient computer |
| 17:53.08 | Macer | then it needs office apps and video chatting support (everything that you can do with a netbook that has a built in keyboard with a web cam that works) |
| 17:53.56 | Macer | printer support and hid support also |
| 17:54.21 | Macer | thinks about windows domain support but that is being ambitious |
| 17:55.22 | Macer | someone should be able to pull out an n810 and do all their office/internet stuff wtihout thinking twice |
| 17:55.30 | Macer | :) |
| 17:55.34 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: I've connected my phone which can emulate a HID device and used it to send kbd buttons etc |
| 17:55.55 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: but can you just turn on your bt keyboard and pair it and type all by using the gui? |
| 17:56.04 | Macer | you can in hildon |
| 17:56.35 | Macer | or are you forced to go to a command line and find the address... pair it with hidd.. etc? |
| 17:56.42 | johnsq | Macer: get a apple bt keyboard, nice small and works good. |
| 17:56.54 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: I was able to use the phone to reconnect easily |
| 17:57.07 | Macer | johnsq: i have an su8w |
| 17:57.08 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: Mer has hildonized Blueman |
| 17:57.19 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: so it's integrated into mer |
| 17:57.22 | Macer | ? |
| 17:57.32 | Macer | i mean to the point where an idiot can figure out how to do it? :) |
| 17:58.15 | Macer | i understand the necessity to do things right.. but someone should start thinking about what comes after you get the base work done |
| 17:58.22 | johnsq | Macer: easier and better than windows. |
| 17:58.24 | Macer | no office apps then no success :) |
| 17:58.39 | Macer | no printing from the tablet means someone will just get a netbook |
| 17:58.40 | qwerty12_N810 | Macer: Dunno about integrated but it has a wizard :D |
| 17:59.14 | qwerty12_N810 | johnx has had a2dp working using blueman |
| 17:59.31 | Macer | tell someone "all you need is a bluetooth keyboard and you can type all of your papers and spreadsheets in openoffice on it." |
| 17:59.34 | Macer | heh |
| 17:59.44 | Macer | and they will think about it |
| 17:59.56 | Macer | otherwise it is just a phone that you can't use as a phone |
| 18:00.04 | Macer | (well unless you use skype i suppose) |
| 18:00.07 | Stskeeps | bloody hopes this Xomap fix fixes the keyboard |
| 18:00.16 | ShadowJK | hehe |
| 18:00.17 | johnsq | Better use abiword. |
| 18:00.30 | Macer | johnsq: abiword has a different file format |
| 18:00.38 | johnsq | Stskeeps: what is the problem with the keyboard? |
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| 18:00.40 | Macer | and isn't as widely used as openoffice |
| 18:00.47 | Macer | nor does it have as many features |
| 18:00.55 | Stskeeps | johnsq: it assumes input.options is a list |
| 18:01.05 | Macer | it is like telling someone who can use ms office.. "just use write" |
| 18:01.07 | ShadowJK | problem with ooo is that it's a fucking pig :) |
| 18:01.21 | Macer | ShadowJK: i ran it on my G3 :) |
| 18:01.24 | Macer | it wasn't too bad |
| 18:01.28 | Macer | 400MHz |
| 18:01.35 | ShadowJK | CPU isn't an issue |
| 18:01.41 | Macer | sure a different arch .. with slightly less ram |
| 18:01.48 | Macer | but the n810 should be able to do it |
| 18:01.52 | ShadowJK | your G3 had a proper harddrive :-) |
| 18:01.57 | ShadowJK | not slow-ass sd |
| 18:02.17 | Macer | lol. i suppose that is true |
| 18:02.19 | johnsq | Macer: k6 with 32mb is running openoffice without a problem, a little slow but usable |
| 18:02.43 | Macer | ShadowJK: but at the very least someone should start thinking on what would make someone actually want to use mer :) |
| 18:03.01 | Macer | i mean it's great that it is trying to be the universal something or other (like java?) |
| 18:03.03 | ShadowJK | once you start swapping more than "slightly" on a SD card, you'll end up with half-minute latencies minimum :) |
| 18:03.18 | Macer | like an office app |
| 18:03.19 | pupnik | haet swap |
| 18:03.27 | Macer | that can use normal formats |
| 18:03.27 | ShadowJK | hey, I actually thought the N810 was an upgrade to my phone's non-phone capabilities, which it turned out to do great :-) |
| 18:03.40 | johnsq | Stskeeps: any idea how to fix the slideout keyboard? better kernel, user space input filter or x11 driver? |
| 18:03.48 | Macer | ShadowJK: my g1 can run circles around an n810 ;) |
| 18:04.10 | Macer | ShadowJK: the only thing i can't do from my phone is print |
| 18:04.27 | ShadowJK | Amusingly I can |
| 18:04.31 | Macer | and i have to run hidd manually to connect my keyboard but that is supposed to be getting fixed soon |
| 18:04.34 | ShadowJK | or atleast it claims to print |
| 18:04.40 | ShadowJK | but I don't have a printer to test with :P |
| 18:04.52 | Macer | ShadowJK: my n95 only supported bt printing |
| 18:04.56 | Macer | my n800 printed with cups |
| 18:04.59 | Macer | which was nice |
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| 18:05.05 | ShadowJK | my E75 claims to do LPR over wlan |
| 18:05.19 | Macer | haha |
| 18:05.20 | Macer | buy a printer and test it :) |
| 18:05.39 | Macer | i would have never gotten my g1 if the damn n95 supported tmob |
| 18:05.41 | ShadowJK | need to setup a print server too |
| 18:05.46 | Macer | well... tmob 3G |
| 18:05.55 | Macer | at made me disgusted |
| 18:05.58 | Macer | att |
| 18:06.33 | Macer | ok. have to go for a few..sorry about ranting.. but i think that everybody is concentrating on making sure mer has a good base... but not about what happens afterwards |
| 18:06.40 | Macer | and in the end it winds up like newton :) |
| 18:06.52 | Macer | a real cool idea that never had any use |
| 18:07.00 | Macer | bbl |
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| 19:59.41 | Proteous | NO ROUTE TO HOST!!! |
| 20:00.07 | Proteous | that would be a cool band name |
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| 20:22.55 | ShadowJK | hm.. nokia seems to have bribed someone to do a "Im an idiot"-test on the N97. Guy first drops it in his breakfast cereal, goes "oh no!", and then goes wash it with water and soap. |
| 20:24.59 | Razumihin | What? :) |
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| 20:25.59 | ShadowJK | Depressingly the phone survives |
| 20:26.21 | Razumihin | Url? |
| 20:26.45 | ShadowJK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkeDhaDQjEQ |
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| 20:44.11 | pupnik | need to hack tear to bring up "find" with the "/" key :) |
| 20:49.44 | pupnik | google video downloader in python: http://code.google.com/p/vdown/ |
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| 21:05.33 | pupnik | just hacked it to work |
| 21:05.37 | pupnik | works! |
| 21:06.48 | pupnik | just substitute /home/user for userhome and comment out the home import in /usr/bin/vdown and /user/lib/gvdown/main.py |
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| 21:24.37 | Nichod_ | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=300434#post300434 |
| 21:24.43 | Nichod_ | Anyone willing to assist? |
| 21:25.58 | qwerty12_N810 | Nichod_: Youtube: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/digiaatscene/ - it's awesome, commenting, uploading etc |
| 21:27.10 | qwerty12_N810 | For podcasts, look at gpodder. And that's about all that I know. :) |
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| 21:30.14 | Nichod_ | Thank you :) |
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| 22:09.49 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: I'm anal-retentive: userhome = (os.path.expanduser("~")+'/') :) |
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| 22:10.18 | pupnik | k ty |
| 22:13.27 | pupnik | qwerty12_N810 i got errors running : from user import home as userhome |
| 22:14.26 | qwerty12_N810 | Yeah, this is the el-cheapo knockoff version that works on a tablet and is more generic than hardcoding "/home/user" :D |
| 22:17.15 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.55 | pupnik | ImportError: No module named user |
| 22:19.16 | pupnik | now im going to need a bigger micro-sd |
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| 22:22.18 | Macer | lol |
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| 22:22.21 | Macer | little kids wouldn't get the joke |
| 22:22.36 | Macer | but in justice league of america when the other super hero is like "you are a credit to your people son" while talking to the green lantern |
| 22:22.39 | Macer | :) |
| 22:22.42 | Macer | that was kind of funny |
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| 22:30.26 | pupnik | what is the joke |
| 22:30.39 | Proteous | green lantern is black |
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| 22:37.34 | Macer | man i love this artigo |
| 22:37.36 | Macer | it's great |
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| 22:37.50 | Macer | i don't know if it's opensolaris or the artigo itself but it has been performing like a little beast :) |
| 22:38.04 | Macer | i'm suprised the damn cpu hasn't burned out yet |
| 22:40.31 | Macer | ah well. later. |
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| 22:52.10 | lcuk | if i plug in 4 cameras to my computer can i access all 4 from gstreamer? |
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| 23:19.23 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: was bored and can't get to sleep: http://pastebin.com/f3da61c56 |
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| 23:19.37 | amr | dropbox client for maemo! |
| 23:19.41 | amr | id love that |
| 23:20.15 | pupnik | nice qwerty12_N810 ! |
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| 23:34.14 | amr | fennec is quite poor |
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| 23:34.16 | amr | nice idea |
| 23:39.49 | Pavlov | next release will be about 2x faster |
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| 23:52.25 | lcuk | Pavlov, is it all publically buildable to see how its progressing (i gather a 2x speedup wont just drop in over night and will come incrementally |
| 23:52.58 | Pavlov | lcuk: yeah you can build it yourself -- but this 2x speedup will actually kinda drop in heh |
| 23:53.09 | Pavlov | prolly in the next week or two |
| 23:53.13 | lcuk | wheres it comin from? |
| 23:53.30 | Pavlov | we were doing some kind dumb stuff during scrolling |
| 23:53.40 | Pavlov | and paints in general |
| 23:54.01 | lcuk | yeah, every extra blit takes speed away |
| 23:54.09 | Pavlov | were hitting cpu/memory bandwidth for the work we were doing.. just didn't need to do 1/2-2/3 of it every time |
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| 23:55.23 | Pavlov | so we're doing 2 things right now: tile caching the page contents for rendering and changing the way we scroll a good bit to be a whole lot cpu intensive |
| 23:55.27 | lcuk | pavlov general optimizations http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=290974 |
| 23:55.41 | Pavlov | may play around with doing yuv tiles/xvideo at some point |
| 23:55.43 | lcuk | tile caching? |
| 23:55.44 | Pavlov | you're doing that now right? |
| 23:55.56 | lcuk | ive been doing that for the last 12months :) |
| 23:55.58 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 23:56.22 | lcuk | as in just painting a small section? |
| 23:56.25 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 23:56.29 | Pavlov | sorta google maps style |
| 23:56.40 | Pavlov | we can be as agressive as we weant |
| 23:56.44 | Pavlov | but wanted a more general system |
| 23:57.32 | lcuk | yeah, in liqbase i have a slightly similar setup, tho the text and background and everything are real time - i delay loading images until they actually become visible |
| 23:57.40 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 23:57.55 | Pavlov | apart from the work we're doing right now, someone else is doing lazy image loading |
| 23:58.00 | lcuk | jpegs and pngs take up a shedload of cpu, so if you can just get the headers and sizes |
| 23:58.04 | Pavlov | yeah |
| 23:58.15 | Pavlov | i've seen a few cpus lately doing hw jpeg decoding |
| 23:58.21 | Pavlov | some of the broadcom ones |
| 23:58.28 | Pavlov | but haven't written any tests for that yet |
| 23:58.32 | lcuk | yeah theres a jpegdsp project around waiting for time |
| 23:58.48 | Pavlov | yeah, that'd be cool too |
| 23:58.54 | lcuk | but that would have drawback of lowering max cpu |
| 23:59.03 | Pavlov | nod |
| 23:59.04 | lcuk | what you give with one hand.. |
| 23:59.16 | Macer | holy shit that special about enron |
| 23:59.40 | Macer | talk about a bunch of mean bastards :) just goes to show that if you have it in you to screw up the lives of thousands you can be set for life haha |
