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| 00:03.59 | xnt14 | lol |
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| 01:34.01 | guysoft422 | oh no.. my mini-sd card is not detected on my maemo, or PC.. |
| 01:34.18 | guysoft422 | it stoped today for no reason.. does that make sense?? |
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| 01:58.30 | Proteous | did you try putting it in the oven at 350 for 15 minutes? |
| 01:58.54 | Proteous | because if you did that will ruin it |
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| 03:40.23 | cmw | anyone here used 0xFFFF before? |
| 03:40.34 | rm_you | X-Fade: I got my usb charger in the mail today :) |
| 03:43.23 | cmw | seems like 0xFFFF thinks the n810's usb vid/pid should be 0421:0105 but my n810 shows up with 0421:0096. Any thoughts? |
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| 03:52.24 | bobpaul | is there a way to toggle bt on and off from the shell? i don't want offline mode, because i want to leave wlan on |
| 03:54.02 | qwerty12_N810 | run-standalone.sh dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/hci0 org.bluez.Adapter.SetMode string:off |
| 03:54.25 | qwerty12_N810 | replace off with connectable/discoverable to switch on |
| 03:55.52 | qwerty12_N810 | Or, alternatively, google switchonbt for a nice application that'll toggle it from the menu regardless of the device's mode |
| 03:57.09 | bobpaul | awesome. run-standalone worked great. exactly what i wanted |
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| 06:20.14 | slonopotamus | can someone explain me why tablet uses only up to 64mb of swap? |
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| 06:39.05 | SaBer | hmmm... I'm coding a gtk app with the beta 5 sdk and I'm getting inverted colors from gtk rc-files. i.e. #bbggrr |
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| 06:53.11 | SaBer | then again stuff like black and white are what they are supposed to be |
| 06:53.38 | SaBer | which is pretty obvious :D |
| 06:54.56 | SaBer | but "red" ends up as blue |
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| 06:56.49 | infobot | oespirit: i haven't seen 'vimmzard' |
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| 07:35.08 | RST38h | The Telegraph reports that scientists have found that if you want to get someone to do something, ask them in their right ear. |
| 07:35.18 | RST38h | British Scientists detected! |
| 07:35.36 | Stskeeps | my right or their right |
| 07:35.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:35.53 | Razumihin | If you're left handed is that stille true? |
| 07:35.59 | Razumihin | ;) |
| 07:36.28 | RST38h | Sts: Theirs, apparently |
| 07:37.06 | RST38h | Razumihin: this can only be determined with more research, if they secure a grant for it |
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| 07:39.28 | X-Fade | Morning |
| 07:40.06 | RST38h | Moorning. |
| 07:40.21 | Stskeeps | morning X-Fade |
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| 07:54.43 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:55.04 | Stskeeps | morning jaffa |
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| 08:12.34 | jaem | yay for PowerVR! |
| 08:14.15 | Corsac | ? |
| 08:14.40 | jaem | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=299242&postcount=219 |
| 08:20.14 | Stskeeps | old :P |
| 08:20.37 | jaem | Stskeeps: yes, but apparently Corsac hadn't heard |
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| 08:26.20 | SaBer | anyone have any ideas about me getting inverted colors in maemo 5 sdk on scratchbox from gtk rc-files? i.e. colors turn up being #bbggrr instead of #rrggbb |
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| 08:56.15 | RST38h | Anyone had success with penguinTV? |
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| 09:02.56 | woglinde | rst whats this? |
| 09:03.17 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: webkit went through just fine? |
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| 09:11.29 | RST38h | woglinde: An RSS reader |
| 09:11.36 | RST38h | Looks like a decent one too, if it worked |
| 09:12.50 | woglinde | why it has TV in it? |
| 09:15.10 | RST38h | why would I know? =) |
| 09:15.26 | RST38h | Ahha, Pidgin finally succumbed to bit rot |
| 09:15.48 | RST38h | Anyone know where to get the new ICQ plugin for it? =) |
| 09:16.08 | lcuk | jaem, yay indeed. whether we get full use out of it is a different issue, its just good to hear we might at least be able to try :) |
| 09:16.48 | lcuk | SaBer, lots of people havign inverted colors |
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| 09:17.38 | SaBer | lcuk: ok, I guess I'll just have to ignore it for now then :/ |
| 09:17.59 | lcuk | yeah, it could be worse - black on black is a bit less readable ;) |
| 09:19.24 | RST38h | Hmmm...People started compiling their own versions of Pidgin and offering them from their web servers |
| 09:19.34 | RST38h | Am I the only one finding this disturbing? |
| 09:21.28 | lcuk | RST38h, not really, if bitrot occuring its the only viable method to keep it alive |
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| 09:23.01 | RST38h | lcuk; Don't we have jeremiah for this kind of cases? =) |
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| 09:23.07 | X-Fade | It is just as simple as uploading a new package to the builder. |
| 09:23.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: No. |
| 09:23.24 | X-Fade | RST38h: Community needs to do this. Jeremiah is only there to help with problems. |
| 09:23.35 | RST38h | X-Fade: I do not think the guy who updated it to 2.5.5 feels like uploading it to the builder |
| 09:23.51 | lcuk | people might compile once for their own use, but that is different from putting themselves through everything needed to become a proper package maintainer |
| 09:24.19 | RST38h | lcuk: Even a one-time procedure of putting it into the repo is too time consuming for most people |
| 09:24.32 | X-Fade | RST38h: I think he works for Nokia. |
| 09:24.57 | lcuk | RST38h, most normal folks dont have upload rights to extras |
| 09:25.15 | lcuk | and those that do are usually busy with their own projects ;) |
| 09:25.49 | lcuk | X-Fade, thats different then, he needs to get it in extras lol |
| 09:26.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: Nah, he uploaded it as community member. |
| 09:28.50 | lcuk | jeremiah has some intent to port service, i wonder if there should be a community requests version, not intent to port, but please can we have |
| 09:29.06 | lcuk | and those listed get dragged in by general maemo procedures |
| 09:29.27 | lcuk | like for ages xchat was on skyhukers site and not in extras |
| 09:31.12 | X-Fade | lcuk: If the sources were available, uploading it to extras is easy. |
| 09:31.35 | X-Fade | lcuk: There are no obstacles for that. You just need to do it. |
| 09:31.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: Pidgin sources are available and can be downloaded from the same website as debs |
| 09:31.58 | X-Fade | RST38h: You forget it is heavily hildonized. |
| 09:32.05 | RST38h | X-Fade: So it comes down to somebody uploading them to the builder and making sure they are built |
| 09:32.07 | X-Fade | And those sources are available too. |
| 09:32.18 | RST38h | X-Fade: Yes, they are all available |
| 09:32.23 | X-Fade | RST38h: It is no plain recompile |
| 09:32.39 | RST38h | X-Fade: The guy gives instructions to plain recompile. A moment. |
| 09:32.55 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, but then it is not hildonized. |
| 09:33.10 | RST38h | it is hildonised afaik |
| 09:33.28 | X-Fade | Not plain pidgin. |
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| 09:33.55 | X-Fade | Gabriel's version is (nix) |
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| 09:35.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: Check out the first two posts here: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3586&group_id=278&atid=1106 |
| 09:35.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: Notice that this is based off Gabriel's version (2.5.1) with diffs applied to 2.5.5 |
| 09:35.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: Also notice that the Collabora Pidgin is useless and should be removed from Extras if it is there |
| 09:36.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: So, go ahead. Upload it to the builder. |
| 09:37.10 | RST38h | X-Fade: At work. Managing a product release. |
| 09:37.37 | RST38h | X-Fade: And you know that uploading it to the builder is 4-6 hours of work. |
| 09:38.08 | X-Fade | RST38h: As said. We can help with problems, but packages need to be uploaded by the community. |
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| 09:49.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: There is no such thing as "community". There are individual people. |
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| 09:50.02 | RST38h | X-Fade: Apparently, none of them have time to do this. |
| 09:50.17 | X-Fade | RST38h: Then the problem isn't too important? |
| 09:50.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: What makes you think so? |
| 09:50.48 | X-Fade | The whole idea of open source and open repositories is for people to scratch their itch? |
| 09:50.54 | Stskeeps | RST38h: pidgin icq not working or how is it? |
| 09:51.55 | X-Fade | RST38h: It you want to have packages actively ported and uploaded on a steady base, you have to hire someone to do that? |
| 09:52.15 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yet another reason to use Mer? ;p |
| 09:52.31 | lcuk | even mer wouldnt do that |
| 09:53.22 | Stskeeps | nah, but with a sane upstream of the package.. |
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| 09:53.38 | X-Fade | Someone has to care about a package or else it will bitrot at some point. |
| 09:54.13 | wjt | X-Fade, RST38h: i've partly held off uploading a new pidgin+libpurple to extras because i didn't want to trample on Gabriel's toes |
| 09:55.11 | Stskeeps | so you have a new one? |
| 09:55.56 | X-Fade | wjt: You can ping him to see if he wants to do it or just doesn't have the time. |
| 09:56.09 | X-Fade | Most of these problems can be found out with just a simple mail :) |
| 09:57.37 | RST38h | Sts: Well, Yahoo and ICQ changed protocols, I guess |
| 09:58.25 | RST38h | wjt: I just emailed Gabriel pleading to him to compile 2.5.5 and send it to the Builder |
| 09:58.52 | X-Fade | RST38h: I think that most developers even like it when people show interest in their package. |
| 09:58.53 | Stskeeps | wonders if there should be a stronger sense of maintainership |
| 09:59.09 | RST38h | wjt: Hopefully, he still has the environment set up, so it should not be a problem for him |
| 09:59.28 | RST38h | X-Fade: All people are different, and developers are no different from people in this regard |
| 09:59.58 | RST38h | X-Fade: in general, you should not expect that developer does what he is doing "for the people". More often, it is just to satisfy a personal itch |
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| 10:00.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: Yes, so? |
| 10:01.02 | X-Fade | I seem to recall something like "if it breaks, you get to keep both pieces" :) |
| 10:01.13 | RST38h | X-Fade: That too, yes |
| 10:01.53 | RST38h | Meanwhile: "Opiate-crazed wallabies create crop circles" |
| 10:02.08 | X-Fade | There are benefits to having an application for free and also benefits of paying for something. |
| 10:03.25 | RST38h | X-Fade: I think you are changing the direction of this discussion :) |
| 10:03.38 | X-Fade | RST38h: No, I don't. |
| 10:03.44 | X-Fade | RST38h: You expect things to be fixed. |
| 10:03.56 | RST38h | X-Fade: The application is available, for free. It is just that nobody is willing to go an extra mile and commit it to Extras |
| 10:04.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: And what can I do about that? |
| 10:04.38 | RST38h | X-Fade: That depends on how strongly you want Extras to be used and useful. |
| 10:05.06 | X-Fade | RST38h: It would care more if I used that protocol perhaps. |
| 10:05.18 | X-Fade | But I stopped using ICQ somewhere in 97 orso. |
| 10:05.21 | Stskeeps | RST38h: more than welcome to take up the task of helping extras be in shape and work with developers, notifying them when the packages have problems, etc :) |
| 10:05.47 | Stskeeps | sometimes it's just a matter of if developer doesn't reply, find someone with the skills in community, ask them kindly |
| 10:06.11 | X-Fade | Asking kindly usually goes a long way. |
| 10:06.18 | RST38h | Sts: I have no problems emailing and asking kindly |
| 10:06.30 | RST38h | Sts: Not expecting very high success rate though =( |
| 10:06.35 | Stskeeps | but if a package should be pulled because it has big issues is a different thing |
| 10:06.54 | Stskeeps | but that's the whole extras-stable discussion |
| 10:07.01 | RST38h | this is different |
| 10:07.05 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: A protocol not working is not critical in my opion. |
| 10:07.13 | RST38h | and does not seem to occur often enough to pose a problem right now |
| 10:07.15 | X-Fade | *opinion |
| 10:07.40 | Stskeeps | either way, discussion bends down to that the maintainer should well, maintain his package :P |
| 10:07.47 | X-Fade | At least it is in Extras with source available. So it _can_ be fixed. |
| 10:07.51 | RST38h | yes, in this case we are not talking about pulling pidgin 2.5.1 from Extras |
| 10:08.10 | X-Fade | If it will be fixed, is another matter. |
| 10:08.12 | Stskeeps | (i know, was just another related problem - what happens to unmaintained packages) |
| 10:08.22 | RST38h | X-Fade: There is the optimistic open source view and the pessmistic realist view |
| 10:08.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: Optimistic view says that "We make maintainer commit the source so that somebody may fix it" |
| 10:08.43 | X-Fade | RST38h: And that comes back to, you get what you pay for. |
| 10:09.19 | RST38h | X-Fade: Pessimistic view says that "Committing source is extra chore for developers and at the end nobody is gonna maintain committed source anyway" |
| 10:09.42 | X-Fade | RST38h: It increases the chances, nothing more. |
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| 10:17.06 | wazd_n800 | hello everyone |
| 10:17.24 | Stskeeps | lo wazd_n800 |
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| 10:28.20 | lcuk | who lives in a pineapple under the sea? |
| 10:29.13 | wazd_n800 | em, Sponge Bob?) |
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| 10:29.30 | lcuk | :D heh wazd_n800 |
| 10:29.37 | lcuk | i have the damned song in my head |
| 10:30.19 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: this toon is pretty sick :D But I love it ) |
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| 10:33.27 | lcuk | wazd_n800, jake loves it and yeah it does have a sick twisted SOH but its funneh :D |
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| 10:34.57 | wjt | X-Fade: i mailed him a while back, and he hasn't answered; guess he's busy |
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| 10:41.31 | Stskeeps | wb andre__ |
| 10:42.25 | andre__ | Stskeeps, oh yeah, finally. electricity broke down in the whole area here... |
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| 10:42.48 | Stskeeps | sounds fun :P |
| 10:43.22 | Stskeeps | i plan to put my backup server in denmark just because i really don't trust the electricity network in poland :P |
| 10:43.46 | andre__ | ehehe. plan does not sound bad :) |
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| 10:48.00 | RST38h | lcuk: The Tentacled One! |
| 10:48.36 | RST38h | Sts: scary |
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| 10:53.30 | ShadowJK | rents a server in germany from some guys in poland |
| 11:00.26 | lcuk | Stskeeps, hope you dont have to reboot it too often lol |
| 11:00.43 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i plan to place it a spot with humans around it |
| 11:00.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:01.12 | lcuk | just get a yinyang pair with power buttons near the opposite cd drive ;) |
| 11:01.22 | lcuk | when one loses connectivity with the other it ejects its cd |
| 11:01.29 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 11:35.17 | lbt | hey murrayc_ |
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| 12:11.36 | javispedro | my first maemo package just entered extras-devel :) |
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| 12:12.04 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 12:12.09 | javispedro | happy! |
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| 12:18.13 | X-Fade | javispedro: Only on the second attempt. That is quite good :) |
| 12:18.35 | javispedro | haha |
| 12:19.10 | javispedro | dunno where I got that "base64" package installed from |
| 12:19.18 | javispedro | but the autobuilder was right; it was not on the sdk repos |
| 12:21.20 | qwerty12_N810 | The binary package for base64 can only be found in Nokia's device updates repo but the source can be found in the SDK repo. Beats me as to why it doesn't have a binary along with its source in the SDK repo. :) |
| 12:21.45 | lcuk | ahh, but are they the same thing .. |
| 12:23.20 | ukki | javispedro: dosbox? |
| 12:23.20 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Hmm i can ask Soumya what the idea about that one is :) |
| 12:23.31 | javispedro | not yet |
| 12:23.33 | javispedro | this was openttd |
| 12:23.54 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: please, it would be nice :) |
| 12:23.59 | lbt | javispedro: now you need to send it to OBS for Mer ;) http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build |
| 12:24.23 | javispedro | i've been playing with it a bit longer than with dosbox and though it would be easier |
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| 12:26.28 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Ok, mail sent. |
| 12:26.34 | ShadowJK | ooh, openttd in extras-devel? |
| 12:26.41 | qwerty12_N810 | Thanks X-Fade |
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| 12:26.51 | ShadowJK | does openttd still require the ttd data files these days? |
| 12:27.07 | javispedro | ShadowJK: yes.. |
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| 12:27.16 | javispedro | the openttd grfs are in progress |
| 12:27.22 | javispedro | I mean the free ones |
| 12:27.41 | ShadowJK | they were "in progress" when I last played openttd... 4 years ago |
| 12:27.58 | javispedro | lol |
| 12:28.04 | javispedro | sprite art is hard you know :) |
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| 12:33.50 | lbt | jeremiah_hacking: hi... got a sec? |
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| 13:17.52 | pupnik_ | pandora isnt even out yet, and has a ton of games |
| 13:18.29 | bergie | this might be a sweet device to run Mer on: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/always-innovatings-touch-book-in-production-finally-pictured-i/ |
| 13:19.10 | Macer | everything is touch |
| 13:19.12 | Macer | heh |
| 13:19.37 | Macer | i mean. touch based stuff is such an old concept |
| 13:20.04 | Macer | but apple releases an iphone and it becomes something new and innovative |
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| 13:20.29 | bergie | well, the cool thing about that particular tablet is the detachable keyboard |
| 13:20.37 | bergie | so you can go between tablet and laptop |
| 13:20.42 | GAN800 | pupnik_, almost all of which we can steal rather easily. ;) |
| 13:20.54 | GAN800 | Arguably, though, the same thing can be said for Maemo 5 |
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| 13:38.49 | jeremiah | lbt: Hello! Yep, I got a sec. |
| 13:39.37 | lbt | hi ... I was wondering what dependencies I might start with to get a minimal chroot setup and capable of developing.... |
| 13:40.00 | lbt | essentially I want a list of Depends: that would result in an SDK |
| 13:40.03 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: I think it might be best to drop the tilde portion of the program, and just go with g-a-a-d_1maemo0 |
| 13:40.29 | lbt | eg : build-essential, aptitude, (list of some maemo -dev pkgs) |
| 13:40.29 | jeremiah | lbt: You can do that with deboottrap I believe |
| 13:40.56 | jeremiah | lbt: Then, once you have your environment, you can add any packages you like |
| 13:40.57 | lbt | well, I want the list rather than the tool to install |
| 13:41.22 | jeremiah | lbt: So you want the list of a basic debian install? |
| 13:41.25 | lbt | and wondered if you had a starter for 10 |
| 13:41.28 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, well, sure, but, will all the other ones be removed? :) |
| 13:41.33 | lbt | well not a debian install |
| 13:41.37 | lbt | it'll be a chroot |
| 13:41.37 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: Nope. :) |
| 13:41.38 | pvanhoof | because apparently didn't the unreleased one get removed either |
| 13:41.44 | lbt | so no daemons etc... |
| 13:41.59 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, so, ehm, isn't that a bad thing? |
| 13:42.00 | lbt | shell, compilers, headers |
| 13:42.11 | jeremiah | Well, I think you can modify what debootstrap installs |
| 13:42.12 | Stskeeps | lbt: i usually just ln -s /bin/true start-stop-daemon and one other.. |
| 13:42.18 | Stskeeps | look in the imager scripts |
| 13:42.19 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: No, because only the newest version gets picked up? |
| 13:42.41 | jeremiah | It creates a chroot env, so you can use it to populate your chroot based on what packages you give it. |
| 13:42.41 | lbt | Stskeeps: good safety tricl |
| 13:42.46 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, ok, but I had to make a 1.0.1 upstream for the server to accept that 1maemo0 was newer than the unreleased |
| 13:43.01 | lbt | jeremiah: OK, I'll look at it ... ta :) |
| 13:43.12 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Yeah, you need to make sure your numbering is correct ;) |
| 13:43.13 | Stskeeps | lbt, look at the "rootstrap" scripts of mer imager |
| 13:43.32 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: One thing you can do is use dpkg --compare-versions old_v lt new_v && echo true |
| 13:43.38 | jeremiah | This will check your version string |
| 13:43.40 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: dpkg --compare-version version1 lt version2; echo $? |
| 13:43.44 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, well and jeremiah is again asking me to change that portion ;) giving us the same problem next time |
| 13:43.48 | jeremiah | This is what gets done in the autobuilder |
| 13:44.07 | jeremiah | Actually, I don't think a tilde is legal. |
| 13:44.08 | pvanhoof | btw, what is the 1 and what is the 0 in 1maemo0 ? |
| 13:44.14 | X-Fade | jeremiah: What about the 1: number? |
| 13:44.26 | jeremiah | The maemo packaging policy says: |
| 13:44.41 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: 0 is the package revision. |
| 13:44.44 | jeremiah | RmaemoX where R == upstream rev |
| 13:44.52 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: So only changes to the packages get recorded there. |
| 13:44.57 | jeremiah | x == monotonically increasing number |
| 13:44.59 | X-Fade | *packaging |
| 13:45.10 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 13:45.28 | jeremiah | So maybe g-a-a-d_1.0.0maemo0 |
| 13:45.48 | pvanhoof | And that'll be newer than the one I just created? :) |
| 13:45.48 | jeremiah | And when you have a new upstream: g-a-a-d_1.0.1maemo0 |
| 13:46.13 | jeremiah | And when you have a newer package (package only) g-a-a-d_1.0.0maemo1 |
| 13:46.31 | X-Fade | jeremiah ++ :) |
| 13:46.31 | pvanhoof | ok, so g-a-a-d_1.0.1maemo0 will be newer than the one I just made, which is google-album-art-downloader_1.0.1~1maemo0 |
| 13:47.28 | Stskeeps | hehe, you're finally making that public? saw it in hildon-thumbnail svn :) |
| 13:47.41 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: I thikn they will be identical |
| 13:47.43 | pvanhoof | Stskeeps, yes but not as a nokia thing :) |
| 13:47.51 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, so that's not good :) |
| 13:48.00 | jeremiah | :) |
| 13:48.05 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof@lors:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 1.0.1~1maemo0 lt 1.0.1maemo0 && echo true |
| 13:48.06 | pvanhoof | true |
| 13:48.06 | pvanhoof | pvanhoof@lors:~$ |
| 13:48.11 | pvanhoof | is that good? :) |
| 13:48.23 | jeremiah | How about faking it with 1.0.1.1maemo0? |
| 13:48.41 | pvanhoof | im fine with anything, really :) I can even bump up upstream |
| 13:48.47 | jeremiah | Then when you have a new upstream (or maybe you are upstream?) you can change it |
| 13:48.55 | jeremiah | Oh - you are upstream! |
| 13:48.57 | jeremiah | Yay |
| 13:48.59 | pvanhoof | of course! :) |
| 13:49.02 | jeremiah | w00t |
| 13:49.05 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Just change upstream to 1.0.2 :) |
| 13:49.11 | pvanhoof | cool :) |
| 13:49.12 | jeremiah | ^^ |
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| 13:49.18 | jeremiah | :) |
| 13:49.21 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: And then change to the proper numbering. |
| 13:49.31 | jeremiah | With no tildes :P |
| 13:49.36 | pvanhoof | google-album-art-downloader (1.0.1~1maemo0) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:49.39 | pvanhoof | I have that |
| 13:49.47 | pvanhoof | what do I use? final attempt! :) |
| 13:49.54 | jeremiah | s/~/./ |
| 13:49.58 | X-Fade | 1.0.2maemo1 |
| 13:50.00 | _berto_ | I haven't read the whole discussion, can't you use the epoch field? |
| 13:50.09 | jeremiah | 1.0.2maemo1 |
| 13:50.13 | pvanhoof | ok :) |
| 13:50.23 | X-Fade | I start counting at 1 ;) |
| 13:50.27 | pvanhoof | google-album-art-downloader (1.0.2maemo1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 13:50.27 | jeremiah | _berto_: Yeah, but you don't have to. |
| 13:50.30 | pvanhoof | Like that? |
| 13:50.39 | jeremiah | \0/ |
| 13:50.40 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: looks fine to me. |
| 13:50.46 | pvanhoof | That's not s/~/. btw |
| 13:50.52 | jeremiah | No - true |
| 13:50.57 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 13:51.03 | jeremiah | But it will work great |
| 13:51.08 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 13:51.16 | pvanhoof | google-album-art-downloader (1.0.2maemo1) unstable; urgency=low it'll be |
| 13:51.27 | pvanhoof | bloody packaging :) haha |
| 13:51.37 | jeremiah | =) |
| 13:51.38 | pvanhoof | How do you guys learn to love this?! |
| 13:51.50 | jeremiah | I learn to love it when I do apt-get update |
| 13:51.57 | jeremiah | And it just works |
| 13:52.13 | Stskeeps | because gentoo is more insane |
| 13:52.14 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Remember: when picking version numbers, never pick the one that has been hit with the ugly stick :) |
| 13:52.14 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:52.15 | pvanhoof | nod, maybe I should develop less in /opt and try to understand people who have clean distro installs :) |
| 13:52.57 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: There are tons of debian tools to make chroots on your debian machine, which makes clean distro installs |
| 13:53.20 | pvanhoof | sure :) |
| 13:53.26 | pvanhoof | I just want to code code dude :) |
| 13:53.48 | jeremiah | Yeah, packaging is full of little niggling details, but it pays of in the end. But I understand how you feel. :) |
| 13:53.49 | pvanhoof | Anyway, let's see |
| 13:54.08 | _berto_ | what was the problem exactly? |
| 13:54.21 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, we have to endure the slavery of getting that !@#&^ autotools crap working already, you know :) |
| 13:54.27 | jeremiah | _berto_: dpkg not seeing the new package as a new package. |
| 13:54.34 | _berto_ | what was the old version number? |
| 13:54.36 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: True - autotools is a nightmare |
| 13:54.42 | RST38h | is not using autotools and everything is fine |
| 13:54.48 | pvanhoof | dpkg-source: building google-album-art-downloader in google-album-art-downloader_1.0.2maemo1.dsc |
| 13:54.54 | pvanhoof | There you go :) |
| 13:54.58 | pvanhoof | Let's queue it |
| 13:54.59 | jeremiah | ^^ w00t |
| 13:55.00 | _berto_ | debian packages usually have a revision number |
| 13:55.12 | _berto_ | upstream_version-debian_revision |
| 13:55.17 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, does this look good? Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.20), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.4), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78) |
| 13:55.19 | jeremiah | _berto_: Yeah buy you can skip that for maemo |
| 13:55.24 | pvanhoof | Last package apparently had a problem with that |
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| 13:55.25 | qwerty12_N810 | CDBS is more of a nightmare but since I discovered langcore.mk, I'm finding it less of one :) |
| 13:55.32 | pvanhoof | And the autobuilder didn't notice it |
| 13:55.33 | _berto_ | jeremiah: I don't think it's wise to do that |
| 13:55.33 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: Yeah, that is a good lookign depends line |
| 13:55.40 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: please don't encourage native packages :P |
| 13:55.42 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 13:55.48 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, the versions are sound too? |
| 13:56.02 | jeremiah | _berto_: But it is not a version of a debian package, it is a maemo package, so why would we have the debian revision? |
| 13:56.06 | _berto_ | jeremiah: what if you need to release a new package of the same version of upstream? |
| 13:56.09 | pvanhoof | Because I don't want to continue queuing packages forever ;) |
| 13:56.18 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: Yeah, if it builds! :) |
| 13:56.30 | jeremiah | I would have to do a reverse depends check on your software to be sure |
| 13:56.42 | pvanhoof | Depends is about installing, not building :) |
| 13:56.42 | _berto_ | I don't see how maemo is different from debian in that |
| 13:56.48 | pvanhoof | Learned that the hard way :) |
| 13:57.08 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
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| 13:57.26 | jeremiah | _berto_: Well, if you are packaging for a new platform and have to accomodate a new builder, specifying that it went through a debian builder and revision is not _so_ useful |
| 13:57.28 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, nod, but this is Depends, not builddepends |
| 13:57.34 | fiferboy | lbt, hi |
| 13:58.07 | _berto_ | jeremiah: sometimes packages have bugs (and I mean packaging bugs) |
| 13:58.12 | lbt | fiferboy: yo |
| 13:58.15 | jeremiah | _berto_: Very true |
| 13:58.17 | _berto_ | and you need to release a new package of the same sources |
| 13:58.25 | _berto_ | that's why the revision number is for |
| 13:58.30 | jeremiah | Which is why you bump the maemo revision number |
| 13:58.33 | fiferboy | I have been TOTALLY unsuccessful in even getting QWebKit to build with finger scrolling code in it |
| 13:58.38 | jeremiah | RmaemoX |
| 13:58.45 | jeremiah | where X is the maemo number |
| 13:59.00 | jeremiah | So if you want you can take it from upstream |
| 13:59.08 | jeremiah | Or you can create it if there is no upstream |
| 13:59.13 | Stskeeps | to be specific, we're talking about foo_version.orig.tar.gz and foo_version-maemowhatever.diff.gz, and insisting it's not foo_version-maemowhatever.tar.gz :P |
| 13:59.20 | _berto_ | well, we're talking about the same thing |
| 14:00.13 | jeremiah | _berto_: Not really. The debian package version is specified with a -n and maemo's is specified with Rmaemon |
| 14:00.31 | _berto_ | is that standard? I create my maemo packages with -n |
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| 14:00.43 | jeremiah | So the debian package would be foo_1.0-1 and the maemo would be foo_1.0maemo1 |
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| 14:01.15 | X-Fade | _berto_: That is what the Maemo Packaging Policy is for ;) |
| 14:01.16 | jeremiah | _berto_: It is standard in debian, which means the autobuilder will not choke on it. But you don't _have_ to have it as part of maemo policy |
| 14:01.32 | jeremiah | It is debian policy however, so anything without -n is a debian native package. |
| 14:01.39 | jeremiah | Which means it has no upstream |
| 14:01.42 | jeremiah | And that is rare |
| 14:01.52 | Stskeeps | people abuse native packages in maemo natively though :P |
| 14:01.55 | Stskeeps | er |
| 14:01.56 | Stskeeps | extremely |
| 14:02.04 | _berto_ | jeremiah: of course you don't have to have it |
| 14:02.15 | _berto_ | but I'm trying to see the reason why maemo should be different from debian in that |
| 14:02.16 | pvanhoof | once built, where do I find my package? (for manual download) |
| 14:02.38 | jeremiah | _berto_: It's not different - it just has a slightly different, and clearer, convention |
| 14:03.00 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: If you sent it to diablo it will be in extras-devel |
| 14:03.17 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, fremantle :) |
| 14:03.32 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/ |
| 14:03.34 | pvanhoof | And I prefer to install it manually for now, for testing |
| 14:03.35 | pvanhoof | thanks |
| 14:03.38 | X-Fade | And then google-xxxx |
| 14:03.44 | rm_you | X-Fade: I got my usb charger in the mail yesterday :P lol |
| 14:03.46 | pvanhoof | yep, found |
| 14:03.49 | X-Fade | rm_you: Ah! |
| 14:03.58 | X-Fade | rm_you: Took a while but at least it was cheap :D |
| 14:04.00 | rm_you | works nicely :P |
| 14:04.06 | jeremiah | rm_you: That little one that X-Fade has? That is cool. |
| 14:04.11 | rm_you | lol yeah, like most of a month :P |
| 14:04.19 | _berto_ | I see this in the Maemo packaging policy: 0.10-4maemo1 |
| 14:04.31 | _berto_ | and 0.7-0maemo1 |
| 14:04.42 | lcuk | pvanhoof, lots of (laborious) experience says, get a clean machine and do a test install from app manager ;) |
| 14:05.09 | pvanhoof | lcuk, a clean fremantle machine? you must be joking :) |
| 14:05.22 | jeremiah | _berto_: Indeed (page 11) |
| 14:05.35 | _berto_ | I understand 0.10-4maemo1 |
| 14:05.38 | pvanhoof | lcuk, its not public yet I think ;) |
| 14:05.40 | _berto_ | but not 0.10.4maemo1 |
| 14:05.43 | lcuk | :) clean scratchbox, take a backup and then you can restore whenever you need |
| 14:06.07 | jeremiah | _berto_: Look at the first paragraph on page 11 in the .pdf . . . |
| 14:06.13 | rm_you | anywho, gotta run to work (why i haven't been around much, i have a job now >_>) |
| 14:06.14 | lcuk | kot made me one that everytime i bork it i just remake it and its always fresh, really easy to make sure its not broken :) |
| 14:06.20 | pvanhoof | Well, we're just out of crash burn havoc period, more or less :) i'm already happy if the device doesn't explode in my hands sometimes |
| 14:06.25 | lcuk | broke so many installs |
| 14:06.48 | _berto_ | " a maemo revision prefixed with zero SHOULD be used (resulting in â0identifierXâ). " |
| 14:06.51 | _berto_ | jeremiah: this one ? |
| 14:06.58 | jeremiah | Yeah |
| 14:07.06 | _berto_ | yeah, and that means that you should use 0.10-0maemo1 |
| 14:07.10 | _berto_ | not 0.10.0maemo1 |
| 14:07.12 | pvanhoof | Maybe I should clean my fremanlt scratchbox a bit though ... |
| 14:07.17 | lcuk | pvanhoof, exploding in your hands? tiny laptop? |
| 14:07.27 | Stskeeps | yeah, 0.10-0maemo1 makes sense, it will get you correct diff.gz and all then |
| 14:07.36 | pvanhoof | lcuk, can't say much about these devices :) |
| 14:07.37 | Stskeeps | with foo_0.10.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:07.39 | jeremiah | _berto_: I take it to mean 10.0maemo1 since the 10-1 does not yet exist |
| 14:07.52 | pvanhoof | Not encrypted here :) |
| 14:08.04 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: Permission denied after just uploading 1 package :P |
| 14:08.10 | qwerty12_N810 | (scp) |
| 14:08.19 | _berto_ | jeremiah: that paragraph talks about the revision number |
| 14:08.29 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: It is global. |
| 14:08.32 | _berto_ | and the revision number is what comes after the '-' |
| 14:08.41 | _berto_ | 0.10-0maemo1 << 0.10-1 |
| 14:08.44 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: did your tear package happen to have no patches mentioned in series btw |
| 14:08.49 | _berto_ | there's nothing wrong with that |
| 14:09.10 | X-Fade | qwerty12_N810: Assistant always works btw ;) |
| 14:09.11 | jeremiah | _berto_: Of course, that is what the debian sources and autobuilder are based on |
| 14:09.28 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: I just got a notice that it built okay |
| 14:09.43 | qwerty12_N810 | X-Fade: yeah, a little clunky when working from VMWare ;) but no matter :) |
| 14:09.47 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, nod, but it's not in the dir yet |
| 14:09.54 | pvanhoof | or my browser is caching this |
| 14:10.00 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: debian/patches/series mentions two patches |
| 14:10.04 | lcuk | X-Fade, jeremiah do you have a bat signal indicator flashing at you when builds complete? |
| 14:10.07 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: hmm, k |
| 14:10.15 | Stskeeps | (tear build fails hence me wondering) |
| 14:10.22 | fiferboy | lbt: I'm sending you the diff for finger scrolling |
| 14:10.24 | X-Fade | lcuk: Just subscribe to extras-cauldron-builds ? |
| 14:10.24 | pvanhoof | _berto_, dude, you're coming to guadec? |
| 14:10.29 | _berto_ | jeremiah: in fact the example in section 3.2.2 confirms what I'm saying |
| 14:10.41 | jeremiah | _berto_: But also, on the same page, "the upstream may require modification but that should not be a consideration when choosing version numbers" |
| 14:10.41 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: of course :) |
| 14:10.41 | pvanhoof | Actually, who of igalia is coming _berto_ ? |
| 14:10.58 | pvanhoof | _berto_, everybody minus ? |
| 14:11.00 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: I think everyone that you may know |
| 14:11.04 | pvanhoof | good! |
| 14:11.10 | lbt | fiferboy: sorry... got distracted |
| 14:11.12 | _berto_ | let's have some beers there |
| 14:11.14 | pvanhoof | Big spanish party |
| 14:11.20 | lbt | I managed to do the treeview... |
| 14:11.22 | pvanhoof | _berto_, tinne is coming too :) |
| 14:11.24 | lbt | well git did |
| 14:11.31 | lbt | the tableview defeated me.... |
| 14:11.35 | _berto_ | jeremiah: that means that if you have to apply your patches you don't have to change the numbering scheme |
| 14:11.39 | pvanhoof | _berto_, so you guys can practice your spanish a bit more :) |
| 14:11.40 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: great :) |
| 14:11.56 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: hm, you're right |
| 14:12.21 | lbt | fiferboy: sadly gnuton hasn't done the debian/ dir for fremantle yet in gitorious |
| 14:12.21 | _berto_ | jeremiah: you are packaging foo-0.10 but it requires some patches to work on maemo |
| 14:12.33 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: add QUILT_PATCHES=$(CURDIR)/debian/patches to quilt line |
| 14:12.35 | _berto_ | jeremiah: that doesn't mean that you have to change the version number, just call it 0.10-0maemo1 |
| 14:12.37 | pvanhoof | _berto_, you guys should while im acting like a serious geek go shopping with her and then really constantly talk Spanish with her. She has to learn the language, you know :) |
| 14:12.50 | pvanhoof | Nonstop |
| 14:12.51 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: ah, that makes sense, thanks |
| 14:13.01 | jeremiah | _berto_: Hmmm. |
| 14:13.05 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: it's not difficult to practice spanish in the canary island |
| 14:13.10 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: unless you go south |
| 14:13.29 | pvanhoof | _berto_, yes but still, tourism Island, it would be too easy for her not to use it, unless you guys make her :) |
| 14:13.48 | jeremiah | But the -0 in 0.10-0maemo1 is only if it comes from debian. |
| 14:13.56 | pvanhoof | And besides, she already signaled to me that she wants to pick up the language at school next year or so. So she better practices it now :) |
| 14:13.57 | jeremiah | Otherwise it would be 0.10maemo1 |
| 14:14.03 | _berto_ | jeremiah: the -0 is only if there's no upstream debian package |
| 14:14.08 | _berto_ | debian packages don't have a -0 |
| 14:14.26 | _berto_ | that's why when the official debian package is out, you can be sure that your -0maemoX << -1 |
| 14:14.28 | jeremiah | _berto_: Yes they do - that is the debian packaging version |
| 14:14.34 | lcuk | X-Fade, that takes the mystery out of it ;p; |
| 14:14.40 | _berto_ | jeremiah: they always start at -1 |
| 14:15.00 | pvanhoof | jeremiah, hmm the 1.0.2 package ain't appearing in http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/g/google-album-art-downloader/ ? |
| 14:15.00 | X-Fade | lcuk: Also the frustration ;) |
| 14:15.07 | pvanhoof | Any idea howcome? |
| 14:15.16 | lcuk | time |
| 14:15.17 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Takes a while for the mirrors to catch up. |
| 14:15.30 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: replace repository -> stage, to see the uncached version ;) |
| 14:15.31 | pvanhoof | oh okay, 30 minutes or so? |
| 14:15.33 | fiferboy | lbt: I thought he had because of the "maemo-build-fremantle" branch, but you are right - not debian directory. |
| 14:15.38 | pvanhoof | aha :) |
| 14:15.41 | fiferboy | I sent you the patch, let me know if it works |
| 14:15.50 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: the canarian accent is a bit different, but it's easy to understand nonetheless |
| 14:15.53 | jeremiah | pvanhoof: It will when the cache gets refreshed |
| 14:16.00 | pvanhoof | hrm, it's not in stage either |
| 14:16.26 | jeremiah | _berto_: Ah - yes, they always start at 1 |
| 14:16.27 | pvanhoof | _berto_, nod, but then again, you guys don't have that accent :) |
| 14:16.32 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Then it has not been processed yet. |
| 14:16.44 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, but the mailinglist has an OK |
| 14:16.46 | jeremiah | _berto_: I misunderstood what you meant |
| 14:16.49 | jeremiah | :) |
| 14:16.55 | pvanhoof | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-June/007949.html |
| 14:16.56 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: That is the _build_ log |
| 14:17.01 | pvanhoof | oh ic |
| 14:17.06 | _berto_ | jeremiah: exactly, so if you use -0maemo1 you'll be sure that when the official package comes out, yours will always have a lower number |
| 14:17.14 | pvanhoof | is just an impatient child :) |
| 14:17.16 | jeremiah | Ah! I see what you mean |
| 14:17.19 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Then the package ends up in the incoming queue for the repository. |
| 14:17.23 | jeremiah | Yes, exactly. |
| 14:17.36 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, nokia bureaucracy? :) |
| 14:17.37 | _berto_ | so you can call it -1maemo1 and everything will just work |
| 14:17.45 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: After the queue-manager processes that package, it ends up in the repo. |
| 14:17.45 | jeremiah | _berto_: Indeed :) |
| 14:17.57 | pvanhoof | okay |
| 14:18.05 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: No, just sane ;) |
| 14:18.19 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: The idea is to put some testing in between the builder and the repository too. |
| 14:18.25 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: changed, ta |
| 14:18.29 | jeremiah | I thought you meant that you could leave off the -n (which you can) but the -n specifies the debian packaging version, which is required in debian. |
| 14:18.30 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, nod, you (guys) probably don't want to know about nokia bureaucracy :) |
| 14:18.45 | lcuk | it also means you cant push library + package using that library through builder without waiting a few minutes |
| 14:19.01 | X-Fade | But at the moment the server is at a nice load of 6, so it can take a few minutes more ;) |
| 14:19.10 | jeremiah | only 6? |
| 14:19.16 | jeremiah | Light load today. :) |
| 14:19.20 | Stskeeps | pvanhoof: triple stamped and only OK'ed if three virgins were sacrificed in advance? |
| 14:19.27 | lcuk | some days it has a load of over 9000 |
| 14:19.34 | pvanhoof | Stskeeps, yeah :) |
| 14:19.44 | X-Fade | lcuk: No, but I have seen it top 150 ;) |
| 14:19.47 | fiferboy | lbt: So the "qt-diablo" branch has all the changes for building for diablo? No need to merge all the different branches? |
| 14:19.50 | jeremiah | lcuk: Only when you upload something. |
| 14:20.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, does it matter if they are used virgins? |
| 14:20.08 | lbt | fiferboy: honestly I'm confused... |
| 14:20.10 | Stskeeps | lcuk: the CS populace of finland has to go somewhere |
| 14:20.13 | pvanhoof | Stskeeps, I think they added a virgin since a few weeks ago, though |
| 14:20.17 | lbt | he's not done it in the manner I'd expect |
| 14:20.27 | fiferboy | It looks like that is the case, though. |
| 14:20.29 | lbt | OTOH he may not be maintaining the branches seperately |
| 14:21.25 | fiferboy | The commit comments for, for example, "qt-build-diablo" show up in "qt-diablo" |
| 14:21.34 | RST38h | Wait wait |
| 14:21.39 | RST38h | Who are we sacrificing? |
| 14:21.51 | RST38h | The whole population of Finnish computer programmers? |
| 14:24.22 | lbt | fiferboy: but what is origin/master-maemo-qt-45 |
| 14:25.24 | lbt | anyhow, I'm going to push mer/fingerscroll as soon as it builds locally |
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| 14:25.46 | fiferboy | Cool |
| 14:25.47 | lbt | tableview patch is in now |
| 14:27.15 | lbt | god I love git |
| 14:31.14 | RST38h | Is General around? |
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| 14:31.26 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5302418/always-innovating-half+netbook-half+tablet-ships-in-july-still-300 |
| 14:31.32 | RST38h | (something for him to salivate over) |
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| 14:33.35 | jeremiah | RST38h: That touch book is pretty cool |
| 14:34.06 | javispedro | two batteries |
| 14:34.07 | jeremiah | But a wifi dongle? |
| 14:34.45 | jeremiah | 7 USB ports! |
| 14:34.45 | Stskeeps | internal |
| 14:35.45 | X-Fade | "- it can be replaced with a screw driver" |
| 14:35.49 | X-Fade | :p |
| 14:36.22 | X-Fade | Anyway, some _serious_ batteries for an omap3 device ;) |
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| 14:40.25 | RST38h | likes price the most |
| 14:43.13 | X-Fade | Angstrom based btw. |
| 14:44.47 | andre__ | X-Fade, Ryan told me about some <div> moving to get proper font size in Newstyle Bugzilla testing. willing to share that two liner so I can continue testing? :-) |
| 14:45.24 | X-Fade | andre__: Move main and main-wrapper divs inside content div. |
| 14:46.09 | X-Fade | "The whole tablet is magnetic." |
| 14:46.26 | X-Fade | "You can use it as a refridgerator magnet" :) |
| 14:46.35 | andre__ | ah. thanks a lot! |
| 14:47.57 | X-Fade | http://www.demo.com/demonstrators/demo2009/165388.html including nudie images of that tablet. |
| 14:49.40 | RST38h | - |
| 14:49.43 | Meizirkki | What are the advantages of 64 bit OS ? |
| 14:50.00 | Meizirkki | offtopic, but.. :) |
| 14:51.25 | lbt | almost none unless you run weather simulations |
| 14:52.27 | lbt | (assuming you mean practical advantages for a normal user) |
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| 14:56.40 | _berto_ | well, you cannot address > 4GB directly using 32 bits |
| 14:56.41 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, jeremiah: it's possible that we might have to remove the google-images album art fetcher, as we don't have gvfs's http module installed in fremantle atm :- |
| 14:56.41 | pvanhoof | And the fetcher uses that |
| 14:56.41 | pvanhoof | so it's just giving an error on the device |
| 14:56.42 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Why didn't you specify that dependency then? |
| 14:57.00 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, strictly it only depends on gio, which is installed |
| 14:57.18 | _berto_ | Meizirkki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 14:57.19 | pvanhoof | But without gvfs's http module, it will just error |
| 14:57.35 | pvanhoof | But I fear gvfs wont go unto the device |
| 14:57.48 | pvanhoof | Unless you guys have it in extras, X-Fade |
| 14:57.51 | pvanhoof | Do you? |
| 14:58.03 | X-Fade | Don't think so, but you can upload it ;) |
| 14:58.39 | pvanhoof | sounds like a horror to package that ;) |
| 14:59.09 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Not sure, probably uploading the debian source will work. |
| 14:59.29 | X-Fade | Although not sure what other libs it will pull in :) |
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| 15:00.45 | X-Fade | Hmm libgnome-keyring0.. |
| 15:01.11 | X-Fade | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gvfs |
| 15:01.17 | X-Fade | Doesn't look too bad. |
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| 15:01.31 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, you also need http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gvfs-backends |
| 15:02.03 | pvanhoof | Which pulls in gconf :-\ |
| 15:02.07 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Ok, that _does_ look bad ;) |
| 15:02.22 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: And libsmbclient |
| 15:02.24 | pvanhoof | maybe it can be built with just the http one .. |
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| 15:02.32 | pvanhoof | X-Fade, yes but that's for all the modules |
| 15:02.37 | pvanhoof | We just need the http one |
| 15:03.04 | X-Fade | whistles "What is wrong with curl" |
| 15:03.17 | pvanhoof | Well, I just coded the vala thing using GIO |
| 15:03.24 | pvanhoof | it was a quick experiment ;) |
| 15:03.30 | X-Fade | pvanhoof: Yeah. Just kidding :) |
| 15:03.46 | pvanhoof | but you know how it goes with quick experiments, as soon as frade likes it, he wants a package :) |
| 15:04.07 | _berto_ | pvanhoof: is frade your boss ? |
| 15:04.16 | _berto_ | do you talk in spanish with him? :p |
| 15:04.19 | pvanhoof | No but he asked for the package first afaik |
| 15:04.23 | _berto_ | :) |
| 15:04.32 | pvanhoof | _berto_, im not the spanish speaker, tinne is :) |
| 15:04.58 | frade | _berto_, i am just pushing to put great stuff in the repositories |
| 15:05.09 | frade | great software only in your machine is useless :) |
| 15:05.26 | pvanhoof | frade, so , this is a problem for the google-images album art downloader |
| 15:05.43 | pvanhoof | frade, if I would have to port this to curl, I'd first need to make a vala binding for curl, and then rewrite the whole thing |
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| 15:05.57 | pvanhoof | Not a 5 minutes job :) |
| 15:05.57 | frade | pvanhoof, i did it myself in python for some reason ;) |
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| 15:06.11 | frade | anyway, curl is a very useful library |
| 15:06.16 | pvanhoof | frade, aaah, but then why did konttori ask me to package this! :) |
| 15:06.17 | frade | somebody should write the vala bindings |
| 15:06.26 | pvanhoof | You just package the python one! |
| 15:06.36 | frade | pvanhoof, noooooo, mine is not ready yet |
| 15:06.45 | frade | i just got the google page, no parsing to extract the info |
| 15:07.02 | pvanhoof | frade, well, just finish it, then we put it in the package I just made, we remove the vala/gio one, and we release 1.0.3 |
| 15:07.14 | pvanhoof | sounds good to you? |
| 15:07.20 | frade | hey! wait, sorry i was confused |
| 15:07.34 | pvanhoof | or you want your own package? |
| 15:07.35 | frade | is _still_ confused :D |
| 15:07.39 | pvanhoof | in that case, remove mine |
| 15:07.46 | frade | pvanhoof, the downloader just need to implement a dbus API, right? |
| 15:08.00 | pvanhoof | frade, right. but look, the one I made uses GIO |
| 15:08.11 | frade | btw, what is the problem with GIO |
| 15:08.15 | pvanhoof | And for GIO I need the http module in gvfs, gvfs is not on the device, Packaging gvfs will be a mess |
| 15:08.26 | frade | aaaaaaah |
| 15:08.34 | pvanhoof | That's the problem. I didn't make the vala one for serious use on the device |
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| 15:08.59 | pvanhoof | so, I think your python one will be better, we can just plug that in the package that i just made instead |
| 15:09.48 | frade | pvanhoof, my plan is to work on the album art downloading today (after work, it is my pet project) |
| 15:10.06 | frade | but still dont know how to handle the "multiple backends" stuff |
| 15:10.08 | pvanhoof | frade, but is it okay for you to throw it into that package? |
| 15:10.31 | pvanhoof | otherwise, I have no idea why the heck I've been making that package :D |
| 15:10.31 | frade | pvanhoof, yes, i can implement the dbus interface |
| 15:12.31 | frade | an album art downloading service makes a lot of sense for maemo |
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| 15:26.13 | lcuk | pvanhoof, theres problems with LIBCURL as well, its required by git to allow https stuff and its practically uninstallable at the moment because of dependency on coreutils or somesuch |
| 15:26.37 | woodong50 | hi |
| 15:26.40 | pvanhoof | ok |
| 15:26.47 | woodong50 | n900 is out? |
| 15:26.54 | lcuk | is it? |
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| 15:27.55 | Myrtti | {{citation needed}} |
| 15:27.57 | woodong50 | i want to have n900 than iphone |
| 15:28.11 | lcuk | Myrtti, heh |
| 15:28.17 | Myrtti | so do I! join the club! |
| 15:28.19 | lcuk | you spend too much time wikifiddling |
| 15:28.35 | Myrtti | I know :-( |
| 15:28.39 | Myrtti | stupid arbcom |
| 15:28.46 | VDVsx | lcuk, yes it is: http://tinyurl.com/pq24rx ;) |
| 15:29.14 | lcuk | :O WOW!!! holy mother of god |
| 15:29.21 | lcuk | why havent i seen that before |
| 15:29.47 | lcuk | VDVsx, where on earth did you uncover that from? |
| 15:29.52 | Myrtti | VDVsx: I raise with http://twurl.nl/5pcpag |
| 15:29.55 | jeremiah | heh rick rolled |
| 15:29.56 | Stskeeps | aw, but that's such a good song.. |
| 15:29.56 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:29.58 | lcuk | thats some seriously good news |
| 15:30.11 | lcuk | bastards lol |
| 15:30.29 | VDVsx | Myrtti, omg, lol |
| 15:31.49 | Myrtti | ⥠|
| 15:34.23 | VDVsx | jeremiah, did you tried to build bluemaemo for freematle ? |
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| 15:34.54 | VDVsx | jeremiah, saw that here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_build_notes |
| 15:36.34 | qwerty12_N810 | wonders how rootsh got into fremantle extras-devel. There may not even be a need for it or the gainroot script has changed significantly from the diablo version |
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| 15:46.18 | Macer | qwerty12_N810: bad repo administration |
| 15:55.27 | GAN800 | You're all spammers. |
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| 16:17.25 | GAN800 | rm_you, how are the fail levels these days? |
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| 16:33.46 | fiferboy | lbt: Are you compiling from the gitorious code? |
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| 16:34.57 | lbt | y |
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| 16:36.18 | fiferboy | Have you run into any problems? |
| 16:36.49 | fiferboy | I have an error with a menu style option not being in QStyle |
| 16:37.17 | fiferboy | I think it might have to do with using version 4.5.2 and the hildon patches |
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| 16:54.41 | lbt | fiferboy: back now... |
| 16:54.59 | fiferboy | Did you use the 4.5.1 source? |
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| 16:55.03 | lbt | it's just building now... not seen issues yet but not far in |
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| 16:55.29 | fiferboy | Ok |
| 16:55.54 | lbt | qt-fremantle HEAD merged with maemo-build-diablo and fingerscroll |
| 16:57.42 | slonopotamus | 'qt-fremantle'? oh my...why can't maemo stop forking each and every thing it touches... |
| 16:59.06 | fiferboy | I build with qt-diablo HEAD and patched fingerscroll |
| 16:59.07 | lcuk | cos maemo is a whore lol |
| 16:59.21 | lcuk | it forks anything that moves :D |
| 17:04.14 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: in this case it makes sense really. qt targetting hildon ui |
| 17:04.54 | _berto_ | you can't just compile any random upstream project for maemo and expect it to work magically as you expect |
| 17:05.36 | slonopotamus | _berto_, that's a clear sign of broken system design |
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| 17:06.55 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:07.16 | slonopotamus | johnsq, hello |
| 17:07.50 | _berto_ | slonopotamus: yeah, right |
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| 17:11.27 | johnsq | someone compared tslib and xf86-input-tslib with xf86-input-evtouch? |
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| 17:12.58 | slonopotamus | hmm... it can work on tablets? (evtouch) |
| 17:13.19 | johnsq | i use evtouch with my tablet |
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| 17:14.45 | lcuk | hiya yerga \o |
| 17:15.08 | yerga | hi lcuk |
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| 17:16.00 | lcuk | whts with the rabbit cleaning |
| 17:17.03 | yerga | it was my first time :P |
| 17:17.07 | lcuk | heh |
| 17:17.11 | lcuk | http://snuzzy.com/twinzes/ |
| 17:17.24 | fiferboy | lbt: Did your compile get past the patching stage yet? |
| 17:18.23 | lbt | it's built qmake and just run configure |
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| 17:20.10 | fiferboy | I had problems with the linguist.pro and translator.pri patches, I wonder why |
| 17:21.51 | slonopotamus | johnsq, what about right-click? |
| 17:22.27 | johnsq | slonopotamus: handled by evtouch you can configure the time |
| 17:22.31 | slonopotamus | johnsq, and calibration |
| 17:23.07 | johnsq | slonopotamus: needs extra app, final paramters are in xorg.conf |
| 17:23.38 | slonopotamus | johnsq, will look at it... |
| 17:24.17 | johnsq | slonopotamus: http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/evtouch.html or just emerge x11-drivers/xf86-input-evtouch |
| 17:24.27 | Stskeeps | evtouch for n8x0? |
| 17:24.45 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, johnsq says yes |
| 17:24.47 | johnsq | yes have tested it? |
| 17:24.52 | Stskeeps | interesting |
| 17:24.58 | johnsq | yes, have you tested it? |
| 17:25.01 | Stskeeps | no |
| 17:25.05 | Stskeeps | but sounds interesting |
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| 17:27.32 | slonopotamus | Emulate3buttons on touchscreen? o_O |
| 17:27.41 | lbt | fiferboy: OK, so I took master-maemo-qt-45; stepped back to the 'widgets looknfeel' merge and branched (ie just like qt-fremantle but before it merged qt-build-fremantle). Then I merged in qt-diablo; then I merged in mer-fingerscroll. |
| 17:27.41 | johnsq | slonopotamus: yes click and long tap |
| 17:27.55 | Stskeeps | how do you deal with initial calibration? |
| 17:28.23 | fiferboy | lbt: Ah/ |
| 17:28.54 | johnsq | i used calibrate, downloaded somewhere and compiled for x11 |
| 17:29.06 | Stskeeps | does it do on the fly calibration? |
| 17:29.08 | lbt | I can't really push any of that... it's a hack to test the build until gnuton does the fremantle debian/ |
| 17:29.21 | lbt | I can let you have a copy if you like.... |
| 17:29.35 | johnsq | no one time and then add the values to xorg.conf |
| 17:29.36 | fiferboy | lbt: That would be great. |
| 17:29.41 | lbt | and If it compiles then I'll push the fingerscroll branch |
| 17:29.44 | Stskeeps | johnsq: ah, that's rather awkward |
| 17:31.12 | fiferboy | That sounds good. I couldn't make any progress with the QWebKit scrolling |
| 17:32.04 | RST38h | ------------------------------ |
| 17:33.17 | slonopotamus | first after horizontal line! :D |
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| 17:36.31 | johnsq | my n810 touchscreen is aslope. |
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| 17:47.58 | slonopotamus | johnsq, why you didn't use tslib, btw? |
| 17:48.33 | johnsq | slonopotamus: I didn't know it, so i used evtouch for my tablet pc. |
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| 17:49.57 | slonopotamus | johnsq, well, if you followed our wiki, we only suggested tslib :) now that has to change after i test evtouch (i have some mysterious issues with tslib) |
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| 17:55.41 | slonopotamus | does `emerge xf86-input-evtouch` |
| 17:56.58 | johnsq | slonopotamus: gentoo version doesn't work, i build 0.8.8 from source. |
| 17:59.10 | RST38h | All right. I need 20 more fps. |
| 18:00.40 | slonopotamus | hands 20 fps to RST38h |
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| 18:01.39 | slonopotamus | johnsq, hmm... 0.8.8 changelog doesn't have anything that could influence it. okay, will try to just copy ebuild |
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| 18:04.29 | Andrew__ | ahh hello |
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| 18:09.41 | lopz | hola |
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| 18:12.09 | Andrew__ | does the n810 have better quality in audio than the n800 did |
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| 18:15.33 | Andrew__ | ah sign |
| 18:15.33 | Andrew__ | damn ipod |
| 18:15.33 | Andrew__ | i miss my n800 |
| 18:15.34 | Andrew__ | but idk if its worth picking up again as a mp3 player |
| 18:15.34 | Luke-Jr | grab a SmartQ 5 |
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| 18:15.38 | ShadowJK | I have n800 and n810. The n810 speakers are better imo. The N800 headphone output sounds better imo, though they both have pretty crud headphone output. |
| 18:16.34 | Andrew__ | :/ |
| 18:16.39 | Andrew__ | and i cant get a zune |
| 18:17.14 | ShadowJK | that is, the n800 has better headphone output as long asyou don't touch the touchscreen, that causes additional buzz/noise on mine :-) |
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| 18:17.30 | ShadowJK | Though if you never heard the noisefloor at all on your N800, you'd not hear it. |
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| 18:18.07 | Andrew__ | its been awhile since ive used a n800 |
| 18:18.15 | Andrew__ | my little brother broke mine 6 months ago |
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| 18:20.50 | Luke-Jr | introduces Andrew__ to SmartQ |
| 18:21.06 | ShadowJK | Allegedly it has inferior speakers to both n800 and n810 :-) |
| 18:21.12 | ShadowJK | speaker, rather. |
| 18:21.19 | Andrew__ | I dont care about speakers |
| 18:21.29 | Andrew__ | im more worried about quality through headphones |
| 18:22.04 | mikkov_ | why fremantle autobuilder doesn't have DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=vfp? |
| 18:22.16 | lcuk | when i held a smartq at copenhagen it felt so light |
| 18:22.22 | lcuk | nothing to it, like an empty box |
| 18:22.35 | Andrew__ | does it have english language support |
| 18:22.37 | lcuk | needs more weight |
| 18:23.07 | Luke-Jr | Andrew__: install Mer |
| 18:23.07 | ShadowJK | I find N800 and N810 have too loud headphone out to be comfortable anyway.. with both settings at 2 (the lowest that produces anything at all except noise), ears still hurt :-) |
| 18:23.22 | Andrew__ | well its going to be used in my car too |
| 18:23.25 | Andrew__ | and i love loud music |
| 18:23.27 | Andrew__ | :) |
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| 18:24.57 | Andrew__ | what is mer |
| 18:26.58 | Andrew__ | nvm |
| 18:27.23 | Andrew__ | i just wish the n810 had alot more storage |
| 18:27.30 | Andrew__ | brb' |
| 18:28.01 | ShadowJK | hehe |
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| 18:32.53 | Luke-Jr | Andrew__: Mer is the main OS for N8x0 devices, and probably SmartQ in the not so distant future |
| 18:33.04 | Luke-Jr | SmartQ is an open platform, unlike N8x0 |
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| 18:35.09 | johnsq | Luke-Jr: but still not available? |
| 18:35.38 | ShadowJK | plenty available.. if you order from china |
| 18:36.51 | johnsq | vapourware |
| 18:37.48 | Andrew__ | back |
| 18:42.00 | Andrew__ | hmm sm smart q 7 |
| 18:42.41 | Luke-Jr | 7 is pretty big |
| 18:42.52 | Luke-Jr | johnsq: wtf? China exists |
| 18:43.00 | Corsac | are you sure? |
| 18:43.22 | Andrew__ | :/ |
| 18:43.44 | Andrew__ | how is kde or ubuntu on these things |
| 18:43.57 | Luke-Jr | Andrew__: I can only guess better than on N8x0 :þ |
| 18:44.02 | Luke-Jr | but I don't think SQ has more memory |
| 18:44.06 | Luke-Jr | which is the biggest problem IMO |
| 18:44.07 | Andrew__ | I meant on the n8x0 |
| 18:44.22 | Luke-Jr | KDE is just barely usable |
| 18:44.27 | Luke-Jr | I prefer console mode usually |
| 18:44.34 | Andrew__ | sigh :/ |
| 18:44.44 | Luke-Jr | I wonder if that Xomap thing Stskeeps was talking about would help |
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| 19:02.50 | lbt | Andrew__: Mer uses Ubuntu heavily underneath; and whilst KDE is too heavy, Qt is being adapted to better support touch UIs |
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| 19:06.16 | AStorm | hello |
| 19:06.40 | AStorm | I probably messed up my maemo by using apt-get upgrade with SDK repo enabled |
| 19:06.50 | AStorm | how can I fix this? (libeina0 I think) |
| 19:07.26 | AStorm | apt said then there are updates, now it's totally silent |
| 19:07.32 | AStorm | that's... weird |
| 19:07.52 | AStorm | (there should be an abiword upgrade available at least) |
| 19:09.02 | wazd_n800 | Is there any kind soul that can help me re@ |
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| 19:09.22 | wazd_n800 | replace pidgin's liboscar?) |
| 19:09.57 | wazd_n800 | oh, libpurple |
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| 19:10.25 | AStorm | wazd_n800, that'd probably need a rebuild of hildonized pidgin... |
| 19:10.46 | AStorm | libpurple is part od pidgin |
| 19:10.51 | wazd_n800 | I have it in tar.gz archive but I just don't know what to type |
| 19:11.21 | AStorm | no, you'll break your system that way |
| 19:11.27 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i'm going to assume it needs python too (tear) |
| 19:12.01 | qwerty12_N810 | waf would |
| 19:12.30 | wazd_n800 | AStorm, I even have a .deb file |
| 19:12.51 | AStorm | then install it w/ dpkg |
| 19:13.52 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah, true |
| 19:13.52 | AStorm | (assuming it's a deb of pidgin, not libpurple - I suspect libpurple is not too backwards compatible) |
| 19:13.52 | wazd_n800 | AStorm, begin your answer with "Type in xterm..." please) |
| 19:13.52 | qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: you can replace your libpurple safely |
| 19:14.26 | qwerty12_N810 | wazd_n800: become root (sudo gainroot) and dpkg -i /path/to/deb |
| 19:14.35 | AStorm | wazd_n800, yeah, that |
| 19:14.39 | RST38h | heya AStorm |
| 19:14.48 | RST38h | moo all I haven't mooed at yet |
| 19:14.52 | AStorm | ah, the added update worked, hmm |
| 19:14.57 | qwerty12_N810 | ello RST38h |
| 19:15.05 | AStorm | I've still have a prob: |
| 19:15.05 | qwerty12_N810 | & AStorm |
| 19:15.17 | AStorm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.24 | AStorm | and so |
| 19:15.30 | AStorm | in fresh dist-upgrade |
| 19:15.38 | AStorm | and HAM breaks stuff |
| 19:15.40 | RST38h | "A team of Canadian journalism students bought a hard drive containing information on multi-million dollar contracts between military contractor Northrop Grumman and the Pentagon for just $40 in a market near Accra, Ghana." |
| 19:15.49 | AStorm | (or at least, broke) |
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| 19:16.16 | RST38h | AStorm: You did dist-upgrade on Maemo? |
| 19:16.21 | AStorm | no |
| 19:16.25 | lcuk | i thought dist-upgrade was dangerous on device |
| 19:16.28 | AStorm | not yet |
| 19:16.30 | AStorm | and it should work now |
| 19:16.32 | lcuk | kinda like stickin your knob in a random hold |
| 19:16.33 | lcuk | e |
| 19:16.34 | RST38h | don't. ever. |
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| 19:16.48 | AStorm | hey, that's what SSU does |
| 19:16.48 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:17.01 | RST38h | plain apt-get upgrade works, as long as you have only safe repos enabled |
| 19:17.10 | RST38h | dist-upgrade is plain deadly |
| 19:17.17 | qwerty12_N810 | nay, ssu just installs a package with hardcoded deps of packages with version numbers |
| 19:17.22 | qwerty12_N810 | @astorm |
| 19:17.35 | AStorm | mhm |
| 19:18.09 | AStorm | still, I've a nasty problem... upgrade of a bunch of held packages |
| 19:18.16 | AStorm | some other bunch did upgrade |
| 19:18.17 | woglinde | hm qt 4.5.2 is out |
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| 19:18.24 | AStorm | and now my e libs are hosed |
| 19:18.36 | AStorm | (libeina0 and co. mostly) |
| 19:20.07 | AStorm | (versions don't match the other e libs, which are held) |
| 19:20.23 | lcuk | flash |
| 19:20.30 | lcuk | ahhhhhahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:20.34 | lcuk | saviour of the universe |
| 19:20.47 | Wazd_n801 | Nokia-N800-23-14:~# dpkg -i / media/mmc1/libpur.debdpkg-split: error reading /: Is a directory |
| 19:20.55 | AStorm | no, I'd prefer to avoid that |
| 19:21.13 | Wazd_n801 | lcuk: he's saved everyone of us) |
| 19:21.22 | AStorm | and flashing won't help (I'll bump on the same "upgrade") |
| 19:21.37 | RST38h_n915 | something is wrong here |
| 19:21.40 | Wazd_n801 | well, it says no such file or directory |
| 19:21.41 | Stskeeps | Wazd_n801: avoid the space |
| 19:21.50 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.53 | AStorm | why apt has no downgrade option :/ |
| 19:21.54 | johnsq | AStorm: clean your source list than update package list, install bad package new. |
| 19:22.15 | Wazd_n801 | Stskeeps, oh! |
| 19:22.18 | AStorm | now, the bad package is in one of the repos important to me :P |
| 19:22.21 | Wazd_n801 | Stskeeps, silly me! |
| 19:22.27 | RST38h_n915 | Yep, although it probably won't help him out of the current ditch |
| 19:22.30 | qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: fyi, ecore packages in extras-devel is supposedly broken |
| 19:22.33 | AStorm | but the missing SSU breaks stuff |
| 19:22.38 | Wazd_n801 | RST38h_n915, heya brw) |
| 19:22.40 | AStorm | qwerty12_N810, excellent |
| 19:22.47 | Stskeeps | n915? :P |
| 19:22.50 | AStorm | that's probably it |
| 19:22.50 | AStorm | gah |
| 19:22.50 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: Now, if jeremiah were here, he would tell you about how bad third party repos are |
| 19:22.53 | Wazd_n801 | RST38h_n915, btw* |
| 19:22.54 | RST38h_n915 | wazd: moo! |
| 19:23.06 | AStorm | RST38h_n915, that's 1st-party extras-devel |
| 19:23.09 | AStorm | :/ |
| 19:23.17 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: Ehehehe, disable that |
| 19:23.23 | qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: it does say *-devel* ;P |
| 19:23.29 | AStorm | then I can'tt get new abiword :( |
| 19:23.39 | AStorm | major meh |
| 19:23.45 | RST38h_n915 | upgraded from extras-devel once, had to sort out the problems for the next few hours |
| 19:23.57 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: download debs manually and install them |
| 19:23.58 | AStorm | (old abiword is failure) |
| 19:24.07 | AStorm | and deps too? |
| 19:24.11 | RST38h_n915 | yes |
| 19:24.18 | AStorm | now, how's that better than tar.gz |
| 19:24.29 | AStorm | they should split devel in two |
| 19:24.33 | RST38h_n915 | well, dpkg will install them for you |
| 19:24.38 | AStorm | one part for install-tested stuff :P |
| 19:24.44 | Wazd_n801 | oh! krap it vorkz!! |
| 19:24.48 | RST38h_n915 | They should simply stabilize abiword and move it to normal Extras |
| 19:24.49 | qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: that's the plan... |
| 19:24.54 | AStorm | the other for random stuff |
| 19:25.00 | Wazd_n801 | I'm the master of the universe! |
| 19:25.01 | AStorm | rst |
| 19:25.09 | AStorm | RST38h_n915, probably |
| 19:25.15 | RST38h_n915 | wazd: Now, exterminate someone, quick |
| 19:25.24 | AStorm | ehh, so I'll disable devel then |
| 19:25.29 | Wazd_n801 | thanks all!) kisses xD |
| 19:25.30 | AStorm | will apt downgrade stuff? |
| 19:25.48 | Stskeeps | if you tell it an exact version |
| 19:25.56 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: I think if you do apt-get upgrade with -devel disabled, it should install "normal" versions |
| 19:25.58 | qwerty12_N810 | not by itself |
| 19:26.14 | RST38h_n915 | Yea, you probably want to try installing that rx* metapackage |
| 19:26.15 | AStorm | ouch |
| 19:26.49 | Wazd_n801 | at last I can delete that fucking fring |
| 19:26.51 | AStorm | why didn't they add a force downgrade option |
| 19:27.04 | RST38h_n915 | wazd: Pidgin? |
| 19:27.09 | AStorm | major oversight |
| 19:27.19 | qwerty12_N810 | will aptitude automatically downgrade? |
| 19:27.19 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: that was not a required capability |
| 19:27.34 | Wazd_n801 | RST38h_n915, yeah, I've fixed it!) |
| 19:27.37 | AStorm | funny, HAM is failing to update, when apt-get update works |
| 19:27.42 | AStorm | why would that be? |
| 19:27.53 | johnsq | AStorm: debian has normaly stone old packages :) |
| 19:28.02 | AStorm | ah, right |
| 19:28.05 | RST38h_n915 | AStorm: some of the packages are not in user/ ? |
| 19:28.07 | AStorm | it's trying some proxy |
| 19:28.09 | AStorm | fixing |
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| 19:29.07 | AStorm | weird that the browser doesn't use the same |
| 19:29.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h_n915: re the whole 3d debacle.. i wonder if it's at all wired up with the LCD |
| 19:29.21 | AStorm | I wonder why there's a difference |
| 19:29.38 | RST38h_n915 | Sts: ??? |
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| 19:29.48 | AStorm | brb |
| 19:29.49 | RST38h_n915 | What do you mean? |
| 19:30.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h_n915: as in, the supposed opening up of the 3d driver - is the 3d chip even wired up with blizzard? :P |
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| 19:30.11 | RST38h | Sts: It is not |
| 19:30.19 | Wazd_n801 | wrong butn |
| 19:30.30 | RST38h | Sts: The 3d extension is supposed to draw into OMAP2's internal buffer |
| 19:30.43 | Stskeeps | RST38h: right, good or bad? or will give abysmal performance |
| 19:30.56 | RST38h | Sts: It is still better than draw manually |
| 19:31.00 | Stskeeps | true |
| 19:31.16 | Stskeeps | so internal buffer would get pushed to blizzard |
| 19:31.18 | RST38h | Sts: I am not sure if you can organize direct DMA to Blizzard from that internal memory |
| 19:31.29 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 19:31.33 | Stskeeps | will be interesting to see at least |
| 19:31.39 | RST38h | Sts: But even if you do it by hand (with stmia/ldmia) it will be faster than rendering 3d stuff with the cpu |
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| 19:33.16 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 19:34.05 | AStorm | the hell... |
| 19:34.15 | qwerty12_N810 | Stskeeps: http://en.pastebin.ca/946765 may be interesting reading material |
| 19:34.17 | AStorm | the proxy is disabled, yet HAM nis still trying it |
| 19:34.25 | AStorm | why? a nasty bug or what? |
| 19:34.43 | AStorm | how do I fix that? |
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| 19:35.18 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: yeah, saw it before |
| 19:35.45 | AStorm | and the proxy is mentioned nowhere in etc |
| 19:35.48 | AStorm | grr |
| 19:36.09 | AStorm | probably dumb gconf vs connection manager vs HAM bug |
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| 19:36.33 | qwerty12_N810 | why do you want to use ham anyway? it's too weak for serious apt work |
| 19:37.33 | AStorm | qwerty12_N810, because I use it to add/disable repos |
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| 19:37.37 | florian | hi all |
| 19:37.38 | johnsq | AStorm: apt-get use proxy in /etc/apt/apt.conf if it is still there Acquire::http::Proxy "http://192.168.2.50:3128/"; and ftp:... |
| 19:37.52 | AStorm | no, it's not there |
| 19:37.58 | AStorm | HAM uses proxy from IAP |
| 19:38.08 | AStorm | but doesn't check proxytype |
| 19:38.11 | AStorm | dumb POS |
| 19:38.14 | qwerty12_N810 | AStorm: # in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager-list works too |
| 19:38.22 | AStorm | it's NONE (as in disabled) |
| 19:38.47 | AStorm | time to file a bug |
| 19:38.48 | qwerty12_N810 | (provided you don't run ham again before reenabling as it has its own catalogues in /var...) |
| 19:39.01 | AStorm | yeah, that I fear |
| 19:39.08 | AStorm | that I'll run it for SSU |
| 19:39.11 | AStorm | :P |
| 19:40.10 | qwerty12_N810 | if you know the name of the repo, ham comes with a tool to disable a repo on the command line |
| 19:43.44 | AStorm | qwerty12_N810, what tool is that? |
| 19:46.32 | qwerty12_N810 | it's rather convoluted to use: cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/maemo-extras-domain.prerm . you can get the names of the repos by looking in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager |
| 19:46.58 | qwerty12_N810 | that said, you don't need a working net connection to disable from ham itself |
| 19:48.06 | AStorm | yes yes |
| 19:48.19 | AStorm | but still, I wondered why it tried a disabled proxy |
| 19:48.25 | AStorm | looks like a bug |
| 19:51.34 | AStorm | ok now, how do I find out the top version in current repos to downgrade to? |
| 19:51.45 | AStorm | (and how to force apt to install that) |
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| 20:27.44 | |thunder | /amsg test; sorry |
| 20:27.59 | ThatOneGuy | Can anyone help me in cross compiling a kernel module? Any help would be much appreciated |
| 20:28.45 | AStorm | for maemo? you need either scratchbox or just the right version of crosscompiler |
| 20:28.55 | AStorm | src debs are available |
| 20:29.11 | ThatOneGuy | Ah we, Im working in scratchbox |
| 20:29.27 | ThatOneGuy | well* |
| 20:29.39 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Yes - I built bluemaemo for fremantle: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/bluemaemo_0.3-1/ |
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| 20:29.46 | AStorm | so just, hmm, unpack, apply deb patches, build? |
| 20:30.12 | AStorm | (there's .config in the src deb too) |
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| 20:30.27 | ThatOneGuy | my problem is make errs with '/targets/SDK_ARMEL/lib/modules/2.6.16.27/build' |
| 20:30.57 | AStorm | interesting |
| 20:31.11 | ThatOneGuy | oops.. |
| 20:31.12 | AStorm | are you building by hand, or via apt? |
| 20:31.28 | qwerty12_N810 | edit the makefile and point it to diablo's kernel source |
| 20:31.41 | AStorm | yep |
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| 20:32.18 | ThatOneGuy | it's already pointed there. That build dir doesnt exist |
| 20:32.53 | qwerty12_N810 | Er, no, diablo doesn't use 2.6.16.27 |
| 20:33.02 | AStorm | it shouldn't |
| 20:33.08 | ThatOneGuy | I know, it's gregale |
| 20:33.20 | AStorm | you're building a module for SDK, somehow |
| 20:33.48 | AStorm | you have to fix the M= of the module |
| 20:33.55 | AStorm | (or its makefile) |
| 20:34.25 | ThatOneGuy | what's wrong with the makefile? it's pointed to the kernel source |
| 20:34.53 | lcuk | jeremiah, cool |
| 20:35.39 | AStorm | kernel source unpacked by whom? :P |
| 20:35.49 | qwerty12_N810 | ~seen v6sa |
| 20:35.54 | infobot | v6sa <n=lauri@87-119-185-85.tll.elisa.ee> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 12h 15m 50s ago, saying: 'Hello, can anyone tell me where this wizard puts all the pppd configuration?'. |
| 20:36.16 | ThatOneGuy | me I guess. I got it from the maemo repos |
| 20:36.35 | AStorm | and patched it with deb patches? |
| 20:36.40 | jeremiah | w00t. |
| 20:36.57 | jeremiah | lynx, xterm, zsync built too |
| 20:37.04 | ThatOneGuy | which deb patches? |
| 20:37.14 | AStorm | source deb, duh |
| 20:37.24 | AStorm | maemo kernel is heavily patched |
| 20:37.39 | AStorm | (it's actually a separate branch) |
| 20:37.44 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: why fremantle autobuilder doesn't have DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=vfp? |
| 20:38.12 | jeremiah | mikkov_: I don't know. But the sources are open, you can add it I think. |
| 20:38.15 | ThatOneGuy | isnt the source deb from the maemo repo already patched? |
| 20:38.38 | jeremiah | jeremiah: I have not written any of the autobuilder code, or looked at it much unfortunately |
| 20:39.01 | jeremiah | There are no "source" debs. A deb is a binary file built from source. |
| 20:39.02 | AStorm | ThatOneGuy, ... check the patches subdir |
| 20:39.23 | AStorm | jeremiah, well, there are src tar.gzs |
| 20:39.36 | AStorm | with debianization data |
| 20:39.45 | jeremiah | AStorm: Those are source. |
| 20:39.47 | AStorm | and patches |
| 20:39.52 | AStorm | yep |
| 20:40.06 | jeremiah | You merely add a debian directory to that tarball. |
| 20:40.07 | ThatOneGuy | there's no patches subdir |
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| 20:40.16 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: it's just that if there is no vfp, all packages which were using vfp in diablo should be rebuilt |
| 20:40.35 | jeremiah | mikkov_: Really? I'll have to tell Ed Bartosh about that. |
| 20:40.36 | AStorm | ? |
| 20:40.43 | AStorm | why would there be no vfp? |
| 20:41.24 | AStorm | ah, tthere *is* now |
| 20:41.29 | AStorm | *no even |
| 20:41.53 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: there might be something I don't know about autobuilder setup but, I'd like to ge some facts :) |
| 20:42.33 | RST38h | Mmm? |
| 20:42.46 | jeremiah | mikkov_: Good point. |
| 20:42.47 | RST38h | You do not mean OMAP3 has no VFP? =) |
| 20:43.15 | AStorm | no, the autobuilder is missing it |
| 20:43.16 | jeremiah | I will post a mail to maemo-developers and cc Ed Bartosh who is in charge of the autobuilder to get to the bottom of this. |
| 20:43.17 | mikkov_ | no, but autobuilder doesn't enable it with DEB_BUILD_OPTION |
| 20:43.30 | RST38h | sighs |
| 20:51.46 | jeremiah | mikkov_: http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/vfp_in_autobuilder_enabled/ |
| 20:57.32 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: thanks |
| 20:57.35 | VDVsx | jeremiah, wow, I thought the dependencies aren't satisfied yet in fremantle, so I need to do a new package :) |
| 20:59.48 | jeremiah | VDVsx: It built, so lets cross our fingers. :) |
| 21:01.42 | VDVsx | jeremiah, it won't work in the current state in fremantle, the bluez project broke the api between v3.xx and v4.xx, so some minor changes are required |
| 21:04.37 | mikkov_ | jeremiah: btw, xterm doens't work, but it didn't work in diablo either :) |
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| 21:08.49 | johnsq | Yea bluez 4.xx is chaos pur |
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| 21:10.41 | ThatOneGuy | can someone build a rtl8187 module for 2.6.16.27 for me? I've been trying to for about a year now without success |
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| 21:32.31 | johnsq | I have snd_pcm.ko and dependencies loaded any idea what I need more to get alsa working? |
| 21:35.41 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Hmm. Bummer. :( I'll have to mention that on the wiki. |
| 21:36.06 | jeremiah | VDVsx: Thanks for letting me know. |
| 21:37.36 | jeremiah | mikkov_: Ah - you saw Ed's reply. |
| 21:37.50 | VDVsx | jeremiah, ok, thanks, I will try to build a new package for fremantle in the weekend |
| 21:38.02 | jeremiah | VDVsx: That would be great. :) |
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| 22:40.04 | DavidePalm | Michael Jackson has died! |
| 22:40.20 | Firebird | yea.. just heard that on every channel I'm on.. |
| 22:40.30 | Proteous | lol |
| 22:40.44 | DavidePalm | sad |
| 22:40.59 | Firebird | now ticketmaster has to refund all of the soldout shows |
| 22:41.08 | Proteous | heh |
| 22:41.18 | Proteous | probable not |
| 22:41.43 | Proteous | knowing ticketmaster there is probable some fine text about death |
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| 23:13.52 | xnt14 | is bored |
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| 23:22.36 | xnt14 | wonders where b-man is :P |
| 23:22.42 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 23:22.43 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 10h 28m 54s ago, saying: '~seen xnt14'. |
| 23:22.50 | xnt14 | :P |
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