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00:07.03ipndrmathcoldboot: thanks anyways. :/
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01:03.30EdLinso what do people think of the Nokia/Intel deal and Maemo? Anyone know what's going on with that?
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01:09.39SpCombis it common for N810 devices to flip out and go into a reboot cycle when you start charging them?
01:10.12SpComb/proc/bootreason is sw_rst, /var/lib/dsme/stats/sw_rst is 1521 and grows every time, /var/lib/dsme/stats/lifeguard_resets has "/usr/bin/bme_RX-44 :  1783 *"
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01:10.37SpCombjudging by how this has caused my tablet to reboot 1500 times, it's kind of annoying :)
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01:14.19SpCombbut it hasn't always done this, it worked fine for a year, must have started after I installed some updates or such
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01:15.22SpCombfeh
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01:20.33Luke-Jr_SpComb: it's a known problem
01:20.38Luke-Jr_EdLin: Intel sucks
01:21.31EdLinLuke-Jr_: well, some time in the future, bets are the Nokia Internet Tablet's successor won't be ARM according to this deal.
01:24.33Luke-Jr_EdLin: fine. I wasn't planning to buy from Nokia ever again anyway.
01:24.53EdLinLuke-Jr_: why?
01:25.10Luke-Jr_because I made the mistake of buying a N810
01:25.19EdLinLuke-Jr_: I love my N810
01:25.23Luke-Jr_somehow I got the impression it was an open platform
01:25.35EdLinum, not all of it, just most of it.
01:25.36Luke-Jr_and I could use it for GPS
01:25.36b-man16loves his n800
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01:26.20Luke-Jr_I certainly did NOT expect to find a closed and abandoned platform.
01:26.31Luke-Jr_and that I would need to spend weeks to make it work
01:26.36EdLinLuke-Jr_: it's not abandoned, Nokia is coming out with the N900 and made a deal with Intel.
01:26.50Luke-Jr_it IS abandoned
01:27.00Luke-Jr_N900 is not N810
01:27.32Luke-Jr_I didn't buy a N810 to be told I needed to buy a N900.
01:27.37EdLinwelcome to Nokia. Even their flagship Symbian platform has incompatibilities from version to version.
01:27.49Luke-Jr_this isn't incompatibilities
01:28.00EdLinwell, I should say total incompatibilities
01:28.06Luke-Jr_this is the product not working, and losing support before there's a newer product
01:28.19EdLinLuke-Jr_: how are you losing support?
01:28.26Luke-Jr_EdLin: Nokia refuses to support N810
01:28.30EdLinLuke-Jr_: now?
01:28.32Luke-Jr_yes
01:28.36EdLin:-(
01:28.41b-man16:(
01:28.44Luke-Jr_and their gpsdriver blob is full of bugs
01:28.49Luke-Jr_and effectively useless
01:28.56EdLinno more maemo updates?
01:29.00Luke-Jr_not for N810
01:29.07EdLin:-(
01:29.10Luke-Jr_Maemo updates are for N900 when that comes out
01:29.29Luke-Jr_here's hoping some other company makes a nice clamshell soon
01:29.36Luke-Jr_with an actual open platform
01:29.45Luke-Jr_heck, they don't even need to include software for all I care
01:29.48Luke-Jr_as long as it's open
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03:47.22GAN800Fun Florida lightning storms
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03:57.42timsamoffHappening here in Kansas City as well.
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04:11.58xnt14ok guys, I have to go to sleep, if you see b-man tell him I went to sleep
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04:25.19b-man16~seen xnt14
04:25.22infobotxnt14 <n=xnt@96.246.48.44> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 13m 24s ago, saying: 'ok guys, I have to go to sleep, if you see b-man tell him I went to sleep'.
04:25.34b-man16xD
04:25.37b-man16ok
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06:07.03thuxmorning
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06:13.20Stskeepsponders on connman
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06:45.37johnxmmm...skip-free a2dp and apt-get at the same time in mer :D
06:47.57johnxN810 gets nice and warm though
06:48.11Stskeepsgood for the winter times
06:48.26johnxyup, or a cold office in the summer time
06:48.40johnx<- works someplace with some seriously overactive HVAC
06:49.23Meiz_n810I should get a new battery.. i just charged this one, and now 10minutes later advanced-power says 62.5% O_o
06:49.24johnxif I complain about it too much I half expect them to just put the HVAC system under the heading of "IT duties and reponsibilities"
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06:56.37Macerlol
06:56.47Macerthe dude from the fray said something so Zoolander that i couldn't help but laugh
06:56.57Macer"You only get one chance to make your second album..."
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06:57.57RST38hmoo all
06:58.07johnxm00f RST38h
06:58.18RST38hjohnx: hiw are things? =)
06:58.37johnxpretty good
06:58.48johnxwork is work, hacking at home has slowed down a bit
06:58.54johnxplaying with a2dp in mer though
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06:59.13RST38hheh
06:59.33RST38hhas not done much hacking lately, all work instead
07:00.03johnxwell, work either has to cut into my sleeping time or my hacking time
07:00.37johnxand I can sleep when I'm dead, but the same can't be said for hacking :D
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07:02.02Macerjohnx.. turn mer into a profitable milti million dollar conglomerate and you wont have to work anymore
07:02.29Maceryou can hack from your waikeekee paradise beach house
07:02.42Stskeepshey, that was my plan ;)
07:02.51Macerhaha
07:03.27Macerwell. you sont have to be greedy Stskeeps. there is enough conglomerate money for everybody
07:03.35Macersont/dont
07:04.21Macerplus. you are in dk. your people would get homes inside a ski rrsort
07:04.35Stskeepswe have almost no snow.
07:04.46Macerwow really?
07:04.59Maceri always figured dk had mountains with snow
07:05.00Stskeepswe're hardly scandinavian
07:05.03Stskeepsno mountains
07:05.05Macerheh
07:05.08Stskeepsonly rock on a small island east
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07:05.22johnxyou were complaining about snow last winter :P
07:05.23Macerwow. then nevermind haha
07:05.34Stskeepsjohnx: yes, but it is not mountains
07:05.57Maceri always pictured dk having close mountains where rich white americans travel to
07:06.59Macerin order to ski and snort cocaine and what not
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07:07.24Macerwell.. guess i should go to europe some day to understand it better
07:07.25Macerhaha
07:08.29Maceri have been to 5 out of 7 continents so far
07:08.50Maceri still think aisa and europe should be considered 1
07:09.19Macerasia
07:09.36Macerwtf. i need to get my brain checked. or maybe it is this g1 qwerty
07:09.58Macertoo much left right hemisphere with the thumbs
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07:12.07MacerStskeeps: the zfs cifs is kind of broken
07:12.17RST38hMacer: they are one =)
07:12.23Maceri ran into a bug where it wouldn't kill something when i restarted it.. i had to reboot it
07:12.34MacerRST38h: well.. i mean geologically speaking
07:13.46Maceri guess they are on different plates
07:13.49Macerbut still :)
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07:15.51anders_gudhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=299242&postcount=219  :-)
07:16.50anders_gudPlan for the OMAP2 acceleration drivers!!!
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07:18.39Stskeepslooks
07:18.55MacerThis view is held by some geographers and is preferred in Russia (which spans Asia and Europe), East European countries and Japan. The separation of Eurasia into Europe and Asia is viewed by some as a residue of Eurocentrism: "In physical, cultural and historical diversity, China and India are comparable to the entire European landmass, not to a single European country.
07:19.13Macereurocentrism? :)
07:19.14Macerhaha
07:19.33X-Fadeanders_gud: Yeah, that is what we were told at the Danish weekend.
07:20.00Stskeepsit's good to have it on paper though
07:20.20X-FadeI'm still worried about the hardware problem though.
07:20.40X-FadeEven if we have a perfect driver, it might not perform like everybody expects.
07:21.03X-FadeBut let's see. It would be a cool addition.
07:21.16Stskeepsi don't expect to be able to run hildon desktop on it, personally, but we can -probably- do a lot of nice things
07:21.46X-FadeThings that are not bandwidth intensive might work, yes.
07:21.52anders_gudIm just glad to get it OSS'd
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07:25.09qwerty12_N810X-Fade: Morning, I've been asked to update the libwebkit (not my choice, uploading webkit to the autobuilder scares me) that is in extras-devel. I have no intention to get tarred and feathered again, ;) so would you mind keeping a watchful eye upon it when I upload it please?
07:26.02X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Sure, go ahead. I'll keep an eye on it.
07:26.22qwerty12_N810Thanks, still waiting on the svn export :)
07:26.27anders_gud@stskeeps Is pressure sensitivity back in Mer 0.14?
07:26.30RST38hMacer: Europeans is a bunch of small insignificant people populating the western coast of Eurasia =)
07:26.31X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: It is a work day, so I can always request a reboot ;)
07:26.41qwerty12_N810hehe
07:27.11Stskeepsanders_gud: we found where it originates - -tslib doesn't send in pressure information
07:27.37Stskeepsanders_gud: and we are switching back to Xomap in 0.15 probably
07:27.48RST38hMacer: The only reason why they have survived to this day is that human meat is not considered to be a significant ingredient in Chinese cousine
07:27.49Stskeeps(where pressure information works)
07:28.13anders_gudOk -Great! when is 0.15 out?
07:28.19Stskeepsanders_gud: ~2-3 weeks?
07:28.33Stskeepsanders_gud: Nokia has a seperate xf86-input-tslib implementation where pressure information is sent, if you'd like to make a xf86-input-tslib patch containing this you're welcome too
07:28.40Stskeepsso we have it on all platforms
07:29.05Stskeeps(i think it's 5 lines extra)
07:31.25Luke-Jrlol
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07:42.59Stskeepsponders idly if he just saw someone in a MMDW tshirt
07:43.00anders_gudI can't find anything now... I'll have a look later. Thanks for the great work on Mer though...
07:43.04Stskeepsk
07:43.50X-FadeStskeeps: It wasn't me ;)
07:44.30anders_gudDont get lost in the huge mountains of Denmark ;-) later
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08:24.47JaffaMorning, all
08:25.07Stskeepsmorning jaffa
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08:38.47qwerty12_N810X-Fade: uploading (eek...)
08:39.37X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Nothing else is building, so you have it all to yourself ;)
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08:40.23qwerty12_N810Webkit'll appreciate it ;)
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09:15.24qwerty12_N810X-Fade: Now I'm just recieving e-mails every 5 mins saying the package's state is unknown. Another loop and, this time, it can't blamed on me as it hasn't even got to building... ;)
09:15.46lcukyeah right qwerty :P
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09:18.20timeless_mbpheh
09:18.27Stskeepsmorning timeless
09:19.11timeless_mbpwell, 20past noon, but sure. hello
09:19.42X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Hmm I see the files in the incoming queue.
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09:20.16X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Can't find 'architecture' field in dsc file
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09:20.46qwerty12_N810Bollocks, it should be there, thanks
09:21.22lcukheh qwerty12_N810, should i help you with packaging *grin*
09:21.39qwerty12_N810And, looking at the control, there is an architecture field. No idea why it hasn't made its way to the dsc
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09:22.43crashanddieqwerty12_N810: my topic has gone :(
09:23.11qwerty12_N810X-Fade: if you haven't already, please kill it :)
09:23.27crashanddieso what's the word on the tubes about Intel?
09:23.30X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: I wiped the .dsc
09:23.33qwerty12_N810crashanddie: damn! it survived for a long while though :)
09:23.34Stskeepscrashanddie: good, standards
09:23.43X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: So you only have to upload a new .dsc
09:23.47Stskeepscrashanddie: and we won't have to fight with a lot of different area
09:23.49Stskeepss
09:23.50crashanddie(btw, if anyone didn't see this coming when Intel bought OpenedHand...)
09:24.03qwerty12_N810X-Fade: awesome, thanks
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09:29.15X-FadeHmm what will happen with connection management now that Connman enters the scene? :)
09:31.18timeless_mbphrm
09:31.32timeless_mbpi should note that view>list in windows explorer scrolls horizontally
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09:38.19StskeepsX-Fade: if Connman actually works with WPA, bring it on
09:38.25Stskeepsand sane tethering solutions
09:38.45X-FadeStskeeps: I don't know, but I guess we will see soon(ish) :)
09:39.02X-FadeI just approved the project in garage btw :)
09:39.16Stskeepsproject of connman?
09:39.22lcukfrom what i read people were saying its hot air at the moment and intent to code rather than production of new stuff
09:39.23X-Fadeyep
09:39.36StskeepsX-Fade: public or closed? :P
09:39.55X-FadeStskeeps: Would I talk about it if it was closed? :)
09:40.07lcukhell yeah
09:40.17lcukyou tell us loads of stuff after your breakfast beer
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09:40.38X-Fadelol
09:41.06X-FadeBut I'm guessing this will be Harmattan or even Inverna stuff.
09:41.24Stskeepsi think so too
09:41.31lcukis it a qt project then o_O
09:41.43X-Fadelcuk: No, lower layers.
09:42.08lcuk:) so  usable by mere c code ;) :D
09:42.22X-Fadelcuk: Probably d-bus driven.
09:42.25lcukand mer c code as well ;)
09:43.53X-FadeAnyway, probably a good thing to watch this spot: https://git.maemo.org/projects//gitweb?p=connman;a=summary :D
09:46.03lcukcool
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09:52.08practisevoodoodoes anyone managed to get cairo working using pygtk under maemo?
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10:02.22X-Fadeqwerty12_N810: Lol, it now says it failed. But it is actually still building :)
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10:03.08qwerty12_N810Hehe :)
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10:03.55derflardman|gone: zbar guy seems willing to integrate the QR stuff.
10:04.08derfAnd he's already got some PDF417 code... no idea how far along it is.
10:05.05timeless_mbpX-Fade: filing bugs? :)
10:06.00X-Fadetimeless_mbp: Bugs already known.
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10:07.59kwizarthello ! I have two quick question! I involved in alsa-plugins packaging which has a module that target maemo devices (dsp via dbus etc), for which arches does theses plugins to be built make sense?
10:08.10kwizartI'm Involved...
10:08.30kwizartdoes x86 arches make sense for develompment purpose ?
10:08.47X-Fadekwizart: x86 for development headers etc.
10:08.48kwizartand arm (for maemo devices) are %arm armv3l armv4b armv4l armv4tl armv5tel armv5tejl armv6l armv7l
10:08.57Stskeepsdsp via dbus? O_o
10:08.58X-FadeBut armel for running.
10:09.33kwizartI was said that only the lastest ' armv6l armv7l ' are suitable for maemo
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10:30.50lardmanmorning
10:31.44practisevoodooanyone got any experience with pygtk? Im having trouble getting DrawingAreas to work on my n810
10:31.44pupnikhuhu
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10:32.03derflardman: Did you see my comment above?
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10:38.37lardmanah yes, good news :)
10:38.41lcukpractisevoodoo, i was under the impression that kind of stuff worked, are you following the tutorials or trying the default examples?
10:38.48Stskeepslardman: saw the 3d status?
10:38.56lardmannope
10:38.58lardmanlinky?
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10:39.22Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=299242&postcount=219
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10:40.08practisevoodoolcuk, the trouble is that i cant find a tutorial for it on maemo, but thats fair enough, im using the normal tutorials and tweaking them to work (or not as the case is)
10:40.37lardmanStskeeps: great news
10:40.47lardmanthanks qgil wherever you are :)
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10:43.45lardmanIs it just me, or are there problems opening jpegs of 10mb size or thereabouts?
10:45.15pupnikin browser?
10:45.21lardmanno, image viewer
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10:46.16Stskeepslardman: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/kki_ap/samsung-ap-2.6.git;a=tree;f=drivers/media/video/samsung;h=7e157a0c1552efa1d7954f29142731cd19c96dec;hb=HEAD might be of interest too
10:46.34Stskeeps(yes, it's open source)
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10:47.42lardmanthose are the accel drivers for the smartQ chips I take it?
10:47.54lardmanbut available freely now rather than NDA'd?
10:48.00Stskeepsaye
10:48.15lardmanwonders if the IVA will ever get drivers
10:48.31lardmanone thing at a time :)
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10:49.01lcuklardman,  unloved stepchild ;)
10:49.38lardmanyeah, just thinking about my jpeg browsing
10:50.21lcukyeah, you signed up for new pron site with hires images then? :p
10:50.36lardmanyep, my Red Sea underwater fish pron
10:50.53lardmanactually that sounds like it could really be pron :D
10:50.58lcuki had a fish image that kept killing libjpg
10:51.15StskeepsMer wallpapers? ;p
10:51.19lardmanI may have to pull my finger out and try that DSP jpeg decoder
10:51.31lcukout of the fish?
10:51.56lardmanyeah, they bite the little buggers
10:52.40Stskeepslcuk, lardman: http://blip.tv/file/2244689 ;p
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10:53.16Stskeepsarr
10:53.18Stskeepsno, not that one
10:53.43lardmanI quite liked that one :)
10:54.03Stskeepshttp://blip.tv/file/2248514
10:54.38Stskeeps(xfishtank as boot screen)
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10:56.39lardmanvery good, now you just need the fish to give birth to new processes and we can have a graphical bootchart ;)
10:57.22Stskeepshehe
10:58.29lardmanso is sounds working now - after seeing your comment about pulse audio via DSP?
10:58.41lardmans/comment/pointer to patch
10:58.45pupnik!
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10:59.50Stskeepslardman: we haven't been able to test it yet
11:00.02Stskeepsit compiles but we havent tested it yet:P
11:00.19lardmanok
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11:05.56lcukStskeeps, still warm in helsinki then lol
11:07.25X-Fadelcuk: It is actually not lying that much ;)
11:07.45lcukgood good
11:07.51X-FadeAs it is 24C there now ;)
11:08.06lcukholy smokes, no wonder everyones happy :p
11:09.21RST38hlardman:,Stskeeps: just make it pour that water in on bootup =)
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11:19.20practisevoodoolcuk, do you have any experience with pygtk?
11:19.34xnt14[server]~seen b-man16
11:19.36infobotb-man16 <n=b-man@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6h 53m 59s ago, saying: 'ok'.
11:19.50xnt14[server]ok
11:20.39xnt14[server]notices that his nit opened xchat by itself while in his pocked
11:20.44xnt14[server]*pocket :P
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11:22.01StskeepsRST38h: i was thinking the "hildon crashed" screen would be water flushing out
11:22.02Stskeeps:P
11:23.09lardmanand fish flopping around at the bottom "drowning"
11:23.12lardman?
11:24.37Stskeepshttp://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_Incompatible_Bootmenu_Shark_Brighter.jpg is still a favourite
11:25.07lardman:)
11:25.14X-FadeStskeeps: Nice.
11:25.15lardmanneeds some chewing animation
11:25.27lardmanis glad he didn't see that a few weeks back
11:25.27X-FadeStskeeps: Although, why reboot if the boot menu is broken anyway?
11:26.04StskeepsX-Fade: because they have to pop the battery otherwise
11:26.09Stskeepsto get back into maemo
11:26.33X-FadeStskeeps: Ah, I thought that it was not bootable at all at that moment.
11:26.54StskeepsX-Fade: well, not mer itself, but for the SD scenario it makes sense to reboot
11:26.59Stskeeps'halt' would work too
11:30.26pupnikthe n810 speakers are so impressive
11:30.40pupniknow that they are broken-in
11:36.56lcukpupnik, you are starting to sound like an audiphile, when are you replacing the cones with pressed silk and relaying the copper tracks on the circuit board with gold?
11:37.15lcukpractisevoodoo, no
11:37.26pupnikheh
11:37.42lardmandon't forget needing $10k/m interconnects!
11:37.55pupniki know such idiots
11:38.23pupnik<- cheapskate audiophile
11:38.25lcukthats the gold tracks, having a pristine sound all the way from the dsp through the amp and to the speakers is crucial
11:38.45lardmanI thought it was the low oxygen?
11:38.49lardman;)
11:39.33lcukheh
11:40.13lcuki suppose you could just electroplate the entire pcb, all connections would then be nicely coated and the electrons could move freer
11:40.22lcukwithout having to rip up the copper connections
11:40.30lcukshould save a couple of thousand $ at least
11:40.57lardman1 cotton bud with which to clean ears, 1p, should probably make as much difference ;)
11:41.53lcuka cotton bud would just make the awful digital stepping and aliasing of the pure analog signal easier to spot
11:42.10lcukwhich would mean you would have to spend an EXTRA wad of cash making it better
11:42.22lcukfalse economy :P
11:43.23lardmanah, s/cotton bud/used chewing gum ?
11:43.51lcukyou first :)
11:43.57lardmanlol
11:45.47jeremiah_pvanhoof: ping
11:45.56pvanhoofjeremiah_, pong
11:46.03jeremiah_pvanhoof: Can you not use ~unreleased in your version string?
11:46.17pvanhoofok, what should I use instead?
11:46.22jeremiah_Because once it is built it will be released
11:46.34pupnikgood sound is like candy - one of the joys of life
11:46.37jeremiah_Would you be willing to use 1maemo0?
11:46.42pvanhoofsure
11:46.46jeremiah_Thanks!
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11:46.55pvanhooflet's first find out why its failing :)
11:47.01pvanhoofjeremiah_, if I need valac, what do I add to builddeps?
11:47.24jeremiah_pvanhoof: Damn good question - I will have to look into that since I don't know off the top of my head.
11:47.31pvanhoofok :)
11:47.34pvanhooflet me know
11:47.47lcukpvanhoof, i dont envy your task, ive just been through packaging
11:47.49jeremiah_pvanhoof: Are you using vala? I want to use that for somethign
11:47.58jeremiah_It looks cool.
11:47.59Jaffapvanhoof: valac is available in extras-devel as "vala"
11:48.04pvanhooflcuk, :D
11:48.11pvanhoofJaffa, thanks
11:48.18pvanhoofjeremiah_, yes, we often use it
11:48.23jeremiah_But isn't vala the language and valav the compiler?
11:48.28Jaffa0.7.3 with the glib 2.12 patch from git
11:48.29pvanhoofjeremiah_, it's available in the platform, but only in extras I think, not sure
11:48.34jeremiah_s/valav/valac/
11:48.44pvanhoofjeremiah_, valac is the compiler, yes, vala is the langhage
11:48.55lcukdifference being?
11:48.59Jaffajeremiah_: valac is the compiler, but there's no separate runtime - which is why I didn't care too much about the package name being "vala" rather than "valac"
11:49.10pvanhoofwell, actually vala is a girl in a sci-fi series that juergbi is in love with, but he doesn't want to admit that
11:49.11jeremiah_pvanhoof: I have looked at some of the docks, need to try to run it.
11:49.24jeremiah_Jaffa: Ah okay. Thanks.
11:49.35jeremiah_docks? What, am I on crack?
11:50.34lcukjeremiah_, i thought it was kewl lol
11:51.07jeremiah_;p
11:51.07pvanhoofJaffa, you have vala > 0.7.0 right?
11:51.14lcukits like when my missus says "i tried to read the distructions"
11:51.22jeremiah_heh - that I like
11:52.18lardmanlcuk: I say that too
11:52.25wazdhello maemo
11:52.30lardmanbut more emphasis on "destructions" I think :)
11:52.47lcukyeah, but im northern and cant spell ;)
11:52.53lardmanlol
11:52.55lardmanbacon time
11:53.13jeremiah_hello wazd
11:53.13lcuki just had chicken birriani
11:53.17lcuk(more spelling)
11:53.32lcukbrought in by coworkers  wife :)
11:53.38lcukhi wazd
11:53.38jeremiah_Is that italian chicken in beer?
11:53.52jeremiah_due birra prego
11:54.00Jaffapvanhoof: yup. 0.7.3 :)
11:54.08lcukindian chicken rice strange sauce and deliciousness :)
11:54.10pvanhoofJaffa, cool, thx
11:54.12lcuki need beer tho
11:54.18lcukboss wont let use drink in work \@/
11:54.23ukkiJaffa: thanks for the vala btw
11:54.26Jaffapvanhoof: libgee hasn't been packaged yet - I've not got around to it
11:54.59Jaffaisn't imagining it being hard, with the only interesting bit ensuring that the vapi gets included in the -dev package.
11:55.00pvanhoofjeremiah_, google-album-art-downloader_1.0.0~1maemo0_source.changes sounds better?
11:55.00pvanhoofJaffa, okay, that's fine, don't need it (others do, though_
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11:55.11JaffaBTW, anyone know if anyone's working on updated Hildon VAPIs for the new API (panneable area etc.)
11:55.30pvanhoofJaffa, sync with juergbi , he'll probably be happy to help you
11:55.30lcuki wonder how fast vala native compilation on device would work on omap3, jaffa, is there a simple no command line test case we could put to quim to get benchmarks..
11:55.41xnt14just notices b-man|sleep
11:55.52pvanhoofPerhaps it should just be in the official platform, instead of in extras ...
11:55.53jeremiah_pvanhoof: Well - my preference might be to shorten it a bit.
11:56.25pvanhoofnah that's fine
11:56.31jeremiah_okay :)
11:56.45Jaffalcuk: he'd need to enable the sdk repo on the device, apt-get install vala (pulls in a req for 'c-compiler') and then try compiling vala-sample from extras-devel
11:57.10lcukballs, not something we can sneak past him then without noticing lol
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11:57.43Jaffalcuk: not really
11:57.53lcukc++ is too heavy and i like the idea of back to c compilation :)  it harks back to proper cfront (c with classes) days
11:58.28jeremiah_lcuk: Gonna port liq to vala now?
11:58.45lcukxnt14, i did some more adjustments last night to the desktop selector thing, and its lookin nice now:  http://liqbase.net/liq.20090624_014459.lib.scr.png
11:58.49lcukno jeremiah_
11:59.05RST38hc++ is as heavy as you are willing to make it
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11:59.26lcukbut bindings to the lib could theoretically exist :) and as long as modules can be compiled to the .so and have the necessary entry points they can exist in the playground
11:59.38xnt14lcuk, awesome :) is it in the github repo?
11:59.44lcukyeah
11:59.56RST38hlcuk: Reimplementing hildon desktop? =)
12:00.12lcukbut it needs a LOT more work before its ready for theming
12:00.49lcukRST38h, nahh hildon doesnt do what i want it to
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12:01.22xnt14o.0, weird, mass quit, rejoin :P
12:01.35lcuknot really "mass"
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12:08.53RST38hlcuk: Yea, I figured =)
12:09.04RST38hxnt14: This is called "a split"
12:09.20RST38hHappens when connection between IRC servers breaks down
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12:09.42xnt14RST38H, ok thanks :)
12:11.05jeremiah_pvanhoof: Your package just got built.
12:11.15pvanhoofwoohoo
12:11.17pvanhoofit did?!
12:11.18jeremiah_:)
12:11.31pvanhoofwoah!! it did it did!
12:11.35pvanhoofparty!
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12:12.04jeremiah_queued for loading into extras-devel
12:12.14X-FadeIt is actually still building?
12:12.22X-FadeOr at least the last version?
12:12.29pvanhoofjeremiah_, is that all i should do? it'll get into the repo automatically now?
12:12.34RST38hdid what?
12:12.43jeremiah_I thikn he submitted another with a different name.
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12:12.57pvanhoofyes
12:13.07pvanhoofthere's going to be another with the ~maemo1 thing
12:13.14jeremiah_pvanhoof: Yeah, it gets moved into the repo now. You don't need to do anything
12:13.16pvanhoofAnd with vala as builddep
12:13.27pvanhoofPerhaps remove the ~unreleased then
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12:14.28pvanhoofnot sure if it'll auto overwrites
12:14.29zetheroowhat path would i use to browse the network via the terminal?
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12:15.14jeremiah_pvanhoof: No - they will be two different packages.
12:15.35jeremiah_But you will have to have vala as a depends if you need it at runtime.
12:15.51jeremiah_So the older package should not work (if it depends on vala and you did not specificy that.)
12:16.13pvanhoofjeremiah_, at runtime it doesn't depend on vala
12:16.17pvanhoofonly buildtime
12:16.20jeremiah_okay
12:16.27jeremiah_So it is a build-depends?
12:16.30pvanhoofbut it got built just fine, without the dep
12:16.31pvanhoofyes
12:16.50pvanhoofbut that's because I included the generated .c and .h files
12:16.56jeremiah_Ah!
12:17.03jeremiah_I was about to say that should fail
12:17.12jeremiah_But now I understand. :)
12:17.12pvanhoofvala is special :)
12:17.18pvanhoofit generates c code :)
12:17.24pvanhoofso it's not a strict dependency
12:17.32jeremiah_okay, interesting.
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12:18.07pvanhoofjeremiah_, so perhaps we should remove the ~unreleased package? How do we do that?
12:18.34jeremiah_Well, we'll have to contact the guy who works on the maemo repos to remove it . . .
12:18.36X-Fadepvanhoof: It should automatically be cleaned up.
12:18.38jeremiah_Oh - that's me!
12:18.50jeremiah_Except X-Fade is all over it.
12:18.51X-Fade.... when jeremiah adds that feature ;)
12:18.56pvanhoofok :)
12:19.04pvanhoofI'll leave it up to you guys then :)
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12:19.29jeremiah_goes to garage.m.o
12:19.30pvanhoofbut if you somehow see two packages in OK state, one ~unreleased and one using the naming jeremiah_ asked for, just remove the ~unreleased, that's fine
12:20.55pvanhoofjeremiah_, X-Fade, Urho (proj manager for Tracker and the album-art related stuff) is asked what category we should use here. user/multimedia is what I used btw
12:21.14pvanhoofHe's wondering about a category 'plugins' as this is actually a sample plugin that uses google-images for getting albumart
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12:21.26pvanhoofoh, he's here, now he can ask himself ;)
12:21.29pvanhoofI was just asking konttori_ :)
12:22.05jeremiah_pvanhoof: Well, I think user/multimedia is pretty good - what does X-Fade think?
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12:22.32pvanhoofit's ok for me btw, no strong opinion myself
12:22.40konttori_me neither.
12:22.47konttori_just wondering.
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12:24.21jeremiah_There is going to be a stricter interpretation of the user/ stuff in the future since it is a little like the wild west right now
12:24.35jeremiah_but I think user/multimedia (note case) works
12:24.52jeremiah_Certainly better than use/Pork_Product
12:26.02JaffaAnd definitely not "plugins" (see sharing plugins thread on maemo-developers)
12:26.36Stskeepsplugins might make sense, but not sharing plugins :P
12:26.42Stskeeps(imho, but im not in that discussion..)
12:27.00JaffaStskeeps: "plugins" *might* make sense; except I strongly believe that it actually doesn't ;-)
12:27.16Stskeepsafter seeing pidgin X,Y,Z i might agree :P
12:27.47JaffaAn example was a Flickr posting plugin for something. Why should the internal architecture of a plugin mean that the user sees it in one place; a Flickr home applet in another; a Flickr posting application in another etc. etc.
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12:28.06JaffaInternal design decisions don't make good user-facing taxonomies ;)
12:29.20GAN8001X-Fade, ping?
12:29.40X-FadeGAN8001: pong
12:29.52RST38hlikes Pidgin.
12:30.05RST38hPidgin works.
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12:38.04wazdRST38h: http://s60.radikal.ru/i167/0906/6f/758dda8451ad.jpg <- no borders variation
12:38.48RST38hwazd: Yep, although why not keep the tabs?
12:38.50Jaffawazd: the "Bluetooth" looks like it's a heading for the third column, rather than a tab.
12:39.02RST38hTabs should still be there, IMHO
12:39.45GeneralAntillesSomebody needs to beat Ryan Paul over the head again about trimming the maemo.org logo.
12:39.49GeneralAntilleshttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/06/new-intelnokia-partnership-a-huge-win-for-mobile-linux.ars
12:39.59pupnikhmmm
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12:40.49GeneralAntillesJaffa, I nominate you, since I didn't get a response on the last one. ;)
12:40.59X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Somebody should kick peter@maemo to come up with a Maemo branding..
12:41.16GeneralAntillesX-Fade, see my maemo.org splash screen package?
12:41.19GeneralAntillesThat's apparently it
12:41.22pupnikhilighting text in browser is frustrating
12:41.23jeremiah_wazd: Looks really nice.
12:41.24GeneralAntillesMaemo in a Nokia font.
12:41.40pupnikThe strategic relationship consists of plans to develop new Intel chips that will power the devices and collaboration to boost Linux-based mobile software solutions. Intel has also licensed Nokia's 3G modem patents so that chip maker can expand its connectivity offerings.
12:41.45pupniknooo
12:42.01JaffaGeneralAntilles: Needs a screenshot: I saw the package :)
12:42.02X-FadeGeneralAntilles: Well, we'll probably see once m.n.o launches
12:42.12JaffaGeneralAntilles: I'll drop him a line
12:42.44GAN800Jaffa, downloads has screenshots.
12:42.52JaffaGAN800: I was using h-a-m :(
12:43.01JaffaOh for h-a-m to be a wonderful gateway.
12:43.05GAN800Hehe
12:43.41X-FadeHow about we talk about the categories switch over.
12:43.59X-FadeShall we finally just set a date and announce that from then on this is it?
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12:45.05jeremiah_Yes!
12:45.46X-FadeObviously the guys at Nokia have no time to care about this subject, so let us take over on that one?
12:45.47GAN800We dead in the water waiting on Nokia for the community upgrade path.
12:46.00jeremiah_X-Fade: Let's set a date, then switch, plug our ears for a week, then life will be better. =)
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12:46.49StskeepsGAN800: i think the path is already there but noone's implementing it
12:47.48JaffaGAN800: Fancy resurrecting the thread about it and asking Quim directly if Nokia would ship an SSU enabling us to push a maemo.org repo as the same weighting as Nokia's?
12:47.50jeremiah_Moblin uses RPM, maemo uses debs - moblin will have to switch.
12:47.56Stskeepsnonono..
12:47.56Stskeeps:P
12:48.01Stskeepsjeremiah_: it's not cooperation on that level
12:48.10JaffaStskeeps: With it being opt-in only, it feels like the effort may not be worth it for the 6 of us who'd bother.
12:48.11X-FadeJaffa: We already talked about that.
12:48.15jeremiah_Pah
12:48.24X-FadeJaffa: You should have come to the meeting ;)
12:48.33JaffaWhich meeting? Copenhagen?
12:48.43JaffaI look forward to you pointing me to the minutes at a URL.
12:49.03X-FadeJaffa: Basically Nokia has no time to do that now. But after Fremantle release they will help us to take over.
12:49.20RST38hGentlemen, nobody is talking about merging Moblin and Maemo
12:49.22X-FadeTake over caring for diablo that is.
12:49.39RST38hAnd this is the official line.
12:49.40Stskeepsjeremiah_: but not having a wide range of APIs different is a good thing
12:50.03wazdRST38h: http://i080.radikal.ru/0906/24/63e1267f28d5.jpg <- you think this is better?
12:50.04jeremiah_Still, they're gonna have to switch for me to even use it.
12:50.37jeremiah_wazd: It makes more sense as a grid, yeah.
12:50.44RST38hwazd: I would use thin recessed line separating the tabs
12:50.55RST38hjeremiah; To use Moblin, you mean?
12:50.57jeremiah_Can the bottom separator be white instead of black?
12:51.04jeremiah_RST38h: Indeed.
12:51.12Stskeepsjeremiah_: i think you may be misunderstanding the statement a bit
12:51.18Stskeepsthey're not merging moblin and maemo
12:51.22jeremiah_I don't think so.
12:51.26jeremiah_I know that. :)
12:51.33Stskeepsthey're merging stuff like ofono, connman etc efforts
12:51.34RST38hjeremiah: Even as a user?
12:51.43RST38hThey are not "merging" oFono
12:51.49Stskeepswell ,ok
12:51.51Stskeepsbad example
12:51.53RST38hBasically, they are codeveloping oFono
12:51.53lcuknokia and intel up a tree, what were they doing k.i.s.s.i.n.g :D
12:52.03jeremiah_RST38h: Of course as a user, that is where aptitude shines.
12:52.08RST38hMoblin vs Maemo is more or less like FreeBSD vs NetBSD
12:52.15X-FadeThey will basically work together in some open source projects.
12:52.16RST38hSeparate but with a lot of cross pollination
12:52.21jeremiah_Yeah, and NetBSD sucks. ;P
12:52.24X-FadeWhich they seem to do already ;)
12:52.37lcukits like a jackrussel humping a dalmation
12:52.40RST38hjeremiah: Not when you have got a non-x86 hardware
12:52.42jeremiah_sexy
12:52.48X-FadeSo, not that big new as people who follow the source trees already knew that ;)
12:53.34b-man|sleepwakes up
12:53.34jeremiah_I am just joking - I don't mean any of this seriously. I don't care what packaging system moblin uses, its just that dependency resolving is better with aptitude than yum.
12:53.49b-man16~seen xnt14
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12:53.53jeremiah_X-Fade: Exactly - this announcement is sort of a non-announcement.
12:54.12X-Fadejeremiah_: Not for investors ;)
12:54.20jeremiah_True dat.
12:54.34jeremiah_And not for Microsoft . . . Bwaah ha ha!
12:54.36RST38hcan't comment
12:54.52crashanddiewhich announcement?
12:54.55RST38hRather than give whatever official answers we have been given
12:55.13jeremiah_crashanddie: Intel is being bought by Apple.
12:55.21crashanddieoh
12:55.30RST38hAnd this is 1) No merge of Maemo and Moblin and 2) Intel does not comment on Nokia's future hardware lineup, ask Nokia
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12:55.46crashanddiejeremiah_: hang on, what?
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12:55.59jeremiah_crashanddie: I'm just joking
12:56.18jeremiah_We're talking about the Intel - Nokia co-operation around mobile linux.
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12:56.42jeremiah_I think there is a link to an Ars Technica article about it in the backlog
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12:57.24crashanddieoh that, old news
12:57.37wazdhttp://s44.radikal.ru/i103/0906/2a/c29a7582e3fb.jpg <- better?)
12:58.10crashanddiejeremiah_: it's not going to change a huge load
12:58.17crashanddiejeremiah_: at least, not for anyone in this channel
12:58.22RST38hwazd: yea!
12:58.57RST38hjeremiah: Switch from Debian to Redhat was kind of surprising though
12:59.09RST38hGiven how much messier Redhat is
12:59.11jeremiah_wazd: Can the bottom separator be white instead of black?
12:59.41wazdjeremiah_: no it can't! die!1 xD
12:59.45jeremiah_RST38h: Yeah, I agree. Red Hat is also a commercial company so you are giving away business when you use them
13:00.15crashanddiegiving away business?
13:00.37wazdjeremiah_: it's incorrect separator anyway, since we already have a nice style for them (see on the top bar
13:00.44jeremiah_Well, Red Hat makes $ from support of Red Hat Linux, so if you create yet another Red Hat Linux distro, they can support it.
13:00.54jeremiah_wazd: Ah, okay.
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13:01.00crashanddiejeremiah_: no they don't
13:01.07jeremiah_eh?
13:01.17jeremiah_They certainly do.
13:01.39crashanddiejeremiah_: try to call red hat support with a centos problem and they'll tell you to f right off ;)
13:01.51crashanddiejeremiah_: that is, unless you buy T&M at a vastly overpriced rate
13:02.07jeremiah_True - but if you buy a support contract they will most certainly help you. :P
13:02.23crashanddienha, support contracts are only valid for Red Hat software
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13:02.43jeremiah_Which Centos can easily be changed to . . .
13:02.50jeremiah_Since it is bit for bit the same
13:03.10crashanddiejeremiah_: plus, you're not actually giving away business, you're allowing users to have professional support, even more so: you're allowing businesses to have a fault line
13:03.24jeremiah_meh
13:03.37jeremiah_There is plenty of commercial support for debian based distros
13:03.44crashanddielmao
13:03.45jeremiah_Canonical for example
13:03.45crashanddieright
13:03.54crashanddieCanonical is a joke
13:04.02jeremiah_Oh really?
13:04.12jeremiah_Hmm, most popular linux distro == joke.
13:04.16jeremiah_okay
13:04.25crashanddiefind me one single fortune 500 company that uses Canonical as their primary support provider
13:05.12crashanddiethought so...
13:05.28pupnikcompanies are locked into wintel
13:05.33jeremiah_meh - that is no measure.
13:05.34crashanddieof course not
13:05.49jeremiah_Plus, Canonical does have some pretty high profile customers.
13:05.52crashanddiepupnik: you think that oracle runs on windows?
13:06.05pupnikfind me one single fortune 500 company that runs linux on desktops
13:06.14crashanddiepupnik: you really believe people run an oracle cluster on wintel? That's pure Solaris, thank you very much
13:06.32pupnikyou said PRIMARY support provider...
13:06.46crashanddie?
13:06.50crashanddieServer-side, obviously
13:06.55pupnikwere you talking abo... ah
13:07.05crashanddiesorry I didn't clarify that
13:07.06pupniknm then
13:07.25Jaffapupnik: IBM runs a large %ge of its users on Linux desktops
13:09.03jeremiah_Yeah - and I think those are Ubuntu boxen
13:09.03jeremiah_Or some kind of IBM hybrid
13:09.03jeremiah_Google uses tons of Ubuntu internally
13:09.08pupnikcool!
13:09.29Jaffajeremiah_: Yeah, it used to be based on Red Hat when I was there, but I believe it's now Ubuntu-based.
13:09.32pupniki just am damaged by decades of wintel
13:10.20jeremiah_Gubuntu. :)
13:10.26lcuki think corpos  should  base entire  linux stack on gentoo. from the interns up
13:10.31jeremiah_Which I guess became Android
13:10.39lcukand they have to build own  machine to do stuff
13:10.52jeremiah_lcuk: I think you should get off the crack pipe.
13:10.56lcukwould be out of a job, but it would be good for a laff
13:14.16crashanddieand most mozilla employees use macs
13:14.32crashanddieactually,  even in my company most devs are starting to jump to macs
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13:18.26jeremiah_hackingcrashanddie: That won't last. Linux runs 30% faster on the same hardware.
13:18.42crashanddiejeremiah_hacking: lol... right
13:18.43RST38hlcuk: Why Gentoo? They should use Slackware!
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13:18.58crashanddiegotta love the fanbois
13:19.33crashanddieRST38h: slackware is so 90s, the future is arch!
13:19.39RST38h[side remark] And these people for YEARS bitched about BSD "not having a single distribution"
13:19.50RazumihinWhat kind of developer likes to use macs...
13:20.05lcuksomeone who develops apple products..
13:20.26Razumihinlcuk: I don't think that even they _like_ using them...
13:20.54lcukno, but to switch over its a tortuous journey whichever direction you look
13:20.55crashanddiesomeone who needs a laptop and needs to run 4 or 5 VMs at a time whilst on-site
13:20.56RazumihinConsole tools for mac suck a big time.
13:21.07lcukso find a comfortable spot that gives effect you need and hold on tight :)
13:21.16Razumihin:)
13:21.22lcukconsole tools are *bsd arent they?
13:21.33RazumihinYes. But pretty handicappedö
13:21.36jeremiah_hackingIt is a mix of BSD and Apple
13:21.38crashanddieand can actually use his laptop for 4-7 hours full use without recharging the battery
13:21.51lcukjust like busybox stuff on nits then
13:21.57jeremiah_hackingHow often does the iTunes OS crash?
13:22.04Razumihincrashanddie: My thinkpad runs +12h on battery with linux ;)
13:22.16crashanddieRazumihin: how big is the screen? How heavy is it?
13:22.16RazumihinAnd it has touchscreen!
13:22.25Razumihin"wow"
13:22.30RazumihinSorry bad troll :)
13:22.48lcuki would rather let people  of alternative computing faith work as they see fit, please dont turn into a flame war :)
13:22.49RST38hcringes at the mention of Thinkpads
13:23.06jeremiah_hackingThinkpads are pretty great. Well made hardware.
13:23.21RST38hjeremiah: pile of shit, at least recent ones
13:23.24Razumihinlcuk: Yeah... i'm just agitated by the previous code i had to read today :)
13:23.40RST38hthe ones made under IBM supervision were at least sturdy and well made
13:23.43pupnikRST38h, what got worse?
13:23.47pupnikah ok
13:23.48jeremiah_hackingRST38h: That is Lenovo
13:23.57lcukRazumihin, i read visual basic code all day every day..
13:24.01lcukapple must be heaven :)
13:24.03RST38hjeremiah: well, it says "ThinkPad" on the body
13:24.04pupnikt42p still has nice build quality
13:24.14jeremiah_hackingTrue dat
13:24.19Razumihinlcuk: But your comments are not in translit russian?
13:24.24RST38hpupnik: well, the design side was always bad
13:24.34RazumihinThat was one of the best moment's of my coding life :D
13:24.40Razumihin"wait what!"
13:24.41RST38hpupnik: heavy, ugly, lots of holes everywhere, washed out displays
13:25.06pupnikname a better laptop pls RST38h
13:25.14lcukRazumihin, no, i have something called "stuart code" to contend with,   stuart was an old school fortran hacker and did not want to waste precious space giving variables names
13:25.19RST38hpupnik: under Lenovo's control, plastic turned way worse
13:25.24pupniktrue
13:25.28lcukso every frikkin thing is an anonymous array :)
13:25.36Razumihin:)
13:25.39RST38hpupnik: the body now creaks when you press on it
13:25.41RazumihinNice.
13:25.57pupnikok, then i wouldnt buy a new thinkpad
13:26.08RST38hpupnik: it looks bent at several spots, the battery went dead in 3 months
13:26.15lcukgoes
13:26.17RazumihinNew thinkpads are still one of the best, but yes the quality has declined.
13:26.21lcuk\o
13:26.21pupnikcheers lcuk
13:26.25X-FadeRST38h: Well they saved about $1 with that plastic. Makes sense ;)
13:26.36RST38hpupnik: the so called "bundled software" became completely non functional, it blue-screens Windows every time I dock it
13:27.00pupnikwhat model thinkpad RST38h ?
13:27.09RST38hpupnik; T61
13:27.32pupnikyes that is no longer a design from ibm japan
13:27.36RST38hX-Fade: Looks like they saved loads of money on design and manufacturing management
13:28.19pupniki hate how capitalists take an old good brand, then start producing shit under the same name
13:28.29pupniklike mercedes in the 90's
13:28.56pupnikvery shortsighted
13:29.36Stskeepsyes, like that paper company ;)
13:30.59xnt14[work]b-man16, ping! :P
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13:36.40RST38hpupnik: nothing to hate, natural thing
13:37.15RST38hthe best thing you can do is to stop buying crap and tell all your friends to stop buying the same crap
13:37.40pupnikas a consumer who likes certain brands, i think i can hate that - but yes it is a natural, if shortsighted, move
13:37.50pupnikmercedes discovered that
13:38.11pupnikand is clawing their way back to restoring their qzakity and reputation
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13:39.13RST38hWorks like a charm in tightly knit societies
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13:57.16RST38hMore news: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/atom-based-nokia-netbook-reportedly-on-track-for-q3/
13:57.44X-FadeRST38h: More 'news' :)
13:59.24RST38hX-Fade: well, it is Engadget, you know, but on the other side they quote OEMs
13:59.37RST38hSo who knows...
13:59.50X-FadeSupposedly, reportedly.
14:00.27lcukbest have touchscreen :)
14:00.32lcukand wallmounts
14:02.34RST38hlcuk: will most likely look exactly the same as dozens of other netbooks
14:02.48RST38h+ Nokia logo on the cover and 3G.
14:03.09pupnikx86 is a plague upon mankind
14:03.28lcukmee too?
14:03.43pupnik..
14:03.55lcuk@ rst lol
14:04.01bergieif they made anything like a modernized Psion Netbook, I'd be really happy
14:04.17bergiethat ran Epoc32, the predecessor of Symbian
14:04.22lcukhardware wise its like kid in candy shop at the moment
14:04.29bergiethough obviously Maemo would be more fun :-)
14:05.12RST38hlcuk: yep
14:05.16pupniki loved the netbook + epoc
14:05.33RST38hlcuk: so many different platforms =)
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14:05.50RST38hpupnik: well you can still run Symbian on an netbook :)
14:05.52bergiethough I wonder how well maemo UI works on other resolutions
14:05.57lcukyeah, but desktop doesnt interest me :)
14:06.16lcukeven laptop desktop doesnt
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14:07.17lcukbergie, get vnc from a maemo tablet and put it on a desktop and find out
14:07.29lcukthe asus eee top is a nice touchscreen desktop to try on ;)
14:07.50lcukliqbase looks wicked on my 12" screen
14:08.27Jaffabergie/pupnik: hear hear. ARM'd be nice for battery life tho'
14:08.31X-FadeI think the Maemo5 ui will scale better.
14:08.39X-FadeAs there is only this top bar.
14:08.57bergieJaffa: yeah... IIRC netbook gave something like 6h of working time
14:09.09Jaffabergie: Target was 8: a "full working day"
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14:10.00bergieanyway, the form factor, "instant on" and keyboard of the original netbook rocked
14:10.19pupnikyes
14:10.47lcukX-Fade, yeah but on a big touchscreen having to reach all the way to the top all the time would double gorilla arm!
14:10.47pupniki have spare netbook parts if anyone is a real fan
14:10.53lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liqbase_big.JPG
14:11.40pupnikhmm maemo browser refuses to show jpgs
14:12.10pupnikonly for me?
14:12.23lcukdunno  im not on tablet
14:13.07RST38hpupnik: I think it is not configured to show images (rather than html documents with inlined images)
14:13.16RST38hOh wait!
14:13.28pupnik..
14:13.30RST38hpupnik: turn image loading ON in the menu, then reaload your jpeg
14:13.36pupnikah ty
14:13.40lcukbbiab
14:13.49GAN800x86 Nokia netbook will be such a sad 'Me too!'
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14:14.13RST38hGAN: There is also information of a snapdragon based one
14:14.16pupnikwonder when i disabled that - hehe ty RST38h
14:15.09RST38hGAN: Already wondering what OS it will run? ;)
14:15.18GAN800I don't understand why the would go Qualcomm (spit!) over TI
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14:15.29GAN800Especially if Linux is involved.
14:15.33RST38hpupnik: This is actually a bug and I may locate a tracker for it
14:15.43RST38hGAN: Don't be such a purist, really
14:15.55GAN800blah blah blah
14:16.05RST38hGAN: You wanted ARM? Qualcomm is ARM. Not that bad SoC, too
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14:17.16RST38hpupnik: Hmm, no bug. I will file one.
14:17.30pupnikcool
14:18.01pupniki am tempted to get smartq 7" for visitors
14:18.10pupnikbut i have too few visitors
14:20.31RST38hpupnik: same here
14:20.35RST38h(on smartq)
14:20.50RST38hpupnik, GAN, lcuk: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4735
14:21.14RST38h(it will probably never be fixed but let us atleast show some effort in finding these things :()
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14:27.01sneakretlcuk: flash photo of a laptop screen? :)
14:27.15sneakretwhy not a screen capture?
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14:30.25lcuksneakret, a screencapture would look the same no matter what hardware its on
14:30.27lcuk:)
14:31.26aquatixlcuk: ha
14:31.29oespirit~seen florian
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14:32.11lcuksneakret, reasonable recent screencapture :P http://liqbase.net/liq.20090526_031404.lib.scr.png
14:32.56sneakretI thought the point was the resolution.
14:33.10lcuksize :)
14:33.24lcukupscaling from handheld to desktop and beyond is nice
14:33.34sneakretgotcha
14:33.40RazumihinNice chaos :) But the demo video was really promising.
14:34.02lcukhttp://liqbase.net/liq.20090420_202604.lib.holymoly.png
14:34.34lcukRazumihin, :) order will come soon, like an overgrown garden you chop back and prune the bushes
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14:34.47lcukbut i have had to test all different aspects of the library
14:34.54lcukand make sure it can do what i need it to
14:35.21RazumihinYes, i know :)
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14:40.55wazdhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3phGHpMwDg <- thats cool
14:41.13pupnikmore info pls
14:41.44wazdHTC Hero UI overview
14:42.14pupnikty
14:43.53aquatixHero is damn nice
14:43.59aquatixwith that Sense UI
14:44.07aquatixfound his next phone
14:44.16aquatixor the n900 should blow it out of the water
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14:44.25wazdI doubt that it works that smooth on a real device but its cool anyway)
14:46.23pupnikwill n900 still use hildon?
14:47.08Stskeepsyes
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14:51.48k-skeesj: are you the Kess on qgil announcement?
14:51.59k-skeesj: running summit in amsterdam
14:57.47lbtnice video... nothing new though I saw : music, web, weather, phone, SMS/IM/Twitter, email, clock, photos, maps, shares... and eye-candy
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14:58.53pupnikwhen is amsterdam?
14:59.16Stskeepsvery beginning of october i think
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15:00.59VDVsxpupnik, 9-11
15:01.21pupnikk
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15:03.53Stskeepsopencv is kinda neat, http://blip.tv/file/2279920
15:05.16Jaffak-s: keesj is the council member who was involved in the location selection
15:06.11VDVsxStskeeps, yeah is very cool, I worked with opencv in one of my university projects :P
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15:07.13VDVsxStskeeps, and there are python bindings, in case you didn't noticed yet :)
15:08.39StskeepsVDVsx: yeah i noticed
15:08.48VDVsx:)
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15:21.00AchipAluck: no obligations q - I'm curious if you're planning on pushing pyqt 4.5 into extras-devel in the near future ?
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15:26.28crashanddieAchipA: why on earth would lcuk want to do that?
15:27.00AchipAcrashanddie: errr, luck... not lcuk
15:27.25crashanddieoh now you're just confusing people on purpose with your nicknames :(
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15:29.13qwerty12_N810X-Fade: huzzah, it got built without doing anything awry to your autobuilder. :) Thanks for the help!
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15:30.25AchipAcrashanddie: luck = lucianomw = last pyqt on maemo packager known to me, but I might be mistaken, (C) crisis
15:31.11lcuk<<<< not luck
15:31.26lcukAchipA, hope you get it sorted
15:31.33lcukthere should be growing support for qt though
15:31.33aquatixlcuk.compareTo(luck) == false
15:31.39lcuknot dwindling
15:31.52AchipAraise KeyError('oops')
15:32.22AchipA~seen lucianomw
15:32.25infoboti haven't seen 'lucianomw', AchipA
15:32.40AchipAhunting ghosts :)
15:33.09crashanddieError: No overload defined for lcuk member function compareTo(luck), closest match is compareTo(String str)
15:33.49AchipAlcuk: thx
15:34.11lcukAchipA, gnuton and lbt are heavily involved with native qt, perhaps they will know of more in the pipeline
15:34.19AchipAlcuk: well, supposedly we'll have 'full' community support in Fremantle, let's see what that amounts to :)
15:35.03AchipAlcuk: not really related to native qt, just that pyqt got a new major release a few weeks back and was wondering about the availability of the goodies...
15:35.07lcukit means every member of the community will have a nokia branded (if the news is true) dev env sent out :P
15:35.14AchipA:D
15:35.46lcuksince they are tied to qt itself i would imagine they would know more than regular joes :)
15:36.07lcukwonders how difficult pyliq bindings would be
15:37.36AchipAlcuk: will ask, but not necessarily, it's an automated process, i.e. it will generate the bindings to (almost :) whatever qt is in the repo
15:38.12AchipAlcuk: pyliq qould be easy, doing straight c-to-python bindings is trouble at all
15:38.31AchipAlcuk: unless you do some black magic pointer/struct work, that is :)
15:39.08lcuknot really black magic opaquepointers
15:39.15lcukbut it does use pointers extensively
15:39.52AchipAlcuk: if you're interested, take a look at http://docs.python.org/library/ctypes.html
15:40.33AchipAlcuk: if you can fit here, you don't need to do bindings at all, it would Just Work (TM)
15:40.35lcukcool, ill put it in my (very long) stack
15:42.38lcuko_O that easy?
15:44.44AchipAlcuk: It might look scary at first, but it really isn't
15:47.25lcuknot scary at all, just pondering how to convert .py source file  into .so module for use in the playground ;)
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15:48.06lcukeither that or just what in an interpreter cell and have it load in its .py source
15:48.32AchipAlcuk: aah, misunderstanding. when you said pyliq I though you want to call liqbase stuff FROM python
15:49.18lcuki do, but the playground (where multiple elements exist) loads in multiple modules from different apps
15:49.57n6pfkWhere can I purcase a replacement battery for the N810 for a decent price?
15:50.35AchipAlcuk: ah. That would require a little mucking with python-dev
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15:53.22AchipAlcuk: replace link above with http://www.python.org/doc/2.5.2/ext/callingPython.html
15:53.49lcukinteresting to know  both :) thanks,gotta run \o
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15:54.41xnt14[work]:P
15:55.13Stskeepsyou people need eachothers phonenumbers or something
15:55.13Stskeeps:P
15:55.15Stskeepsor calendar
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16:04.23infobotflorian <n=fuchs@95.89.44.245> was last seen on IRC in channel #edev, 19h 45m 37s ago, saying: 'hi prpplague'.
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16:08.11StskeepsKiller app for N900: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9703/image001rbr.jpg
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16:11.07aquatixStskeeps: ha
16:15.46lcukStskeeps, when i clicked on the link in the comic, it returned this page: http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=17313
16:15.55VDVsxStskeeps, nah, a port of Wobble will have more success :P
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16:16.26RST38hSts: actually, excellent online service idea!
16:17.20lcukVDVsx, what is "wobble"   google image search shows breasts as result 1 (which is principle wobblying thing i suppose)
16:17.23lcukbut doesnt help
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16:17.50VDVsxlcuk, lol, wobble for iphone in youtube
16:17.56VDVsx;)
16:18.21lcukdoes  nobody have a one line answer :P
16:19.15lcukahhhh - it IS about boobie wobbling
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16:20.02RST38hlcuk: but wasn't that obvious? =)
16:20.08VDVsxlcuk, cool app, anh ? lololol
16:20.13lcukno lol
16:20.43lcukin my innocence i thought it would be wobble jelly :$
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16:22.17VDVsxfor the record, this app was banned by apple :)
16:22.26lcukwonder why
16:22.50lcukmakes liqwobble, or is that wobbleliq
16:23.26VDVsxyou can shake any picture, no reason for the ban :)
16:24.07VDVsxor any part of the picture
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16:26.08lcuk:D u could do the ruffle truffle thing from goonies
16:28.16GAN800lcuk, I'm sad I didn't take a picture last night to match yours.
16:28.32lcukto match my what?
16:29.18lcukdamn, bbiab, ill have to find out then
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16:32.11GAN800lcuk, tried to cut my finger off last night.
16:32.25GAN800lcuk, post-mortem is on my photostream on Flickr.
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16:34.33lbtgoddam .... it's catching
16:34.50Stskeeps"tablet usage: makes you want to maim your fingers!"
16:35.03practisevoodoo_have google changed their map url formats again?
16:36.30ShadowJKN8x0 needs a proximity sensor
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16:37.07ShadowJKI fell asleep browsing web in bed and my face ended up resting on the touchscreen, keeping it on until battery ran out :(
16:37.21RST38hhorror
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16:51.18RST38hBy the way...
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16:55.45RST38hhttp://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/23/gamebone-iphone-gamepad-cooler-than-it-sounds-doubles-as-battery-extender/
16:55.49wazd_n800Damn, looks like my A2DP is broken (
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16:56.14RST38hAnyone thinking that it will work really well with tablets? =)
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16:56.47wazd_n800mplayer just hangs when it tries to play something with A2DP
16:56.57RST38hreboot?
16:57.38wazd_n800RST38h, well, it worked like a charm for very long time. Reboot doesn't help(
16:58.06qwerty12_N810I remove pairing and, then, re-pair
16:58.50wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, didn't help either
16:59.03qwerty12_N810Damn :/
16:59.24wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, btw, looks like you have an upgrade?)
16:59.56qwerty12_N810wazd_n800: hehe, donation from Mer team :)
17:00.15wazd_n800qwerty12_N810, oh, awesome!)
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17:00.57Stskeepswe got 2 n810s from nokia and we decided at a breakfast table that qwerty12 (even when not being in the team at the time) deserved the second one for all the work he's pulled through using the bloody on screen keyboard for the project
17:01.10Stskeepsand many other contributions :P
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17:01.39RST38hqwerty also lost a finger? =)
17:01.44Stskeepsnot yet
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17:03.33wazd_n800looks like its time for global reflashing
17:05.09wazd_n800With 2 multiboot OS'eson SD card, just like big daddies have)
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17:14.10GAN800andre___, lol
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17:14.36GAN800andre___, subtler styling is good. ;)
17:15.11GAN800andre__,  Niels fixed the body text issue, main and main-wrapper need to be in the contents div, not parents of it.
17:17.40andre___ah
17:17.52andre___wanna sent me a diff? :-)
17:18.03andre___but i'm only here for another 15min, maybe in 5hrs again, don't know yet
17:18.09andre___GAN800, ^
17:18.59GAN800At work, at lunch. It only requires moving the content div up a few lines, though.
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17:19.07andre___okay
17:19.10andre___not urgent
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17:23.47lcukGAN800, link
17:24.00lcukso how was the rest of your visit to nokia lol
17:24.19GAN800lcuk, generalantilles on flickr
17:24.27GAN800too lazy to grab a real link
17:24.51lcukhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3656748051/
17:24.55lcukmy god
17:24.56lcukhow bad
17:25.08lcukand that metal cage looks v familiar lol
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17:28.12lcukGAN800, how deep, did it need reattachment or is it a cut that needs protection
17:28.50GAN800lcuk, about to bone, didn't get stitches though
17:29.08GAN800Bought the splint at a drug store. ;)
17:29.31GAN800Nowhere near as awesome as yours, but I hit the artery so it bled like crazy.
17:29.53lcukyeah they can do
17:30.01GAN800Had just the bandadge on it initially
17:30.05lcuksurprisingly with me there wasnt much blood after the first splurt
17:30.21lcuki gather its near middle of the bandage area
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17:30.26GAN800But broke it open a few hours later and turned myself into a murder scene on all of about 5 seconds.
17:30.43GAN800Right on the inside of the joint.
17:30.58lcukyouch, i can see why you want the splint
17:31.03GAN800Need to keep it immobilized for any chance of it closing on its own.
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17:31.34lcuknahh ducttape
17:31.42lcukwouldv done job ;)
17:31.48GAN800ehehe
17:32.02GAN800Thought about it, didn't have any.
17:32.13lcukheh, yeah has to be the silver stuff tho
17:32.16GAN800Had to send my sister out for bandages then the splint.
17:32.17lcukthe other colors leak
17:32.37lcukwhat next? sling?
17:32.41lcukwheelchair?
17:32.51GAN800Handicap tags
17:32.55lcukheh
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17:33.13lcukits horrid when you get broken
17:33.16GAN800Had to drive my mothers car this morning since I couldn't manage the stick on mine. :D
17:33.21lcukyou expect to do stuff and just cant
17:33.32GAN800Never broken a bone.
17:33.46lcuknor had i till it happened to me
17:33.54lcukdislocated hip tho
17:33.58GAN800lol
17:34.24GAN800I'm probably goimg to break a hip later now. ;)
17:34.36lcuknahh this was years ago
17:34.44lcukwoke up and tried to get out of bed
17:35.09lcukwhen i looked round to find out what the problem was, my foot was pointing the wrong way
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17:54.15SpCombhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29213 <-- seems indeed that I'm not alone with my reboots
17:54.26SpCombsymptoms fit mine exactly
17:54.42Luke-JrSpComb: hopefully I'll finish reversing BME soon and someone can write a sane charger
17:54.52StskeepsSpComb: what charger?
17:54.57woglindehi
17:55.04Stskeepsmodel, that is
17:55.29SpCombthe standard Nokia charger that came with the N810 or the 6120 Classic
17:55.44SpCombAC-4E
17:56.04udovdhbattery issue?
17:56.09SpCombperhaps
17:56.12udovdhthen change the monitoring...
17:56.16udovdhpfff.
17:56.29udovdhor does it imply the power really cuts out?
17:56.42Luke-Jrcan't change anything with current blob BME...
17:57.16lopzhi
17:57.37SpCombthe bsme stuff puts the blame on a sw_rst by bme_RX-44
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17:59.29SpCombbut somehow I don't think it's just a pure battery issue
18:00.17SpCombanother wierdness that I've noticed is that the entire system stutters really badly for a while after rebooting
18:01.02slonopotamussane charger...
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18:01.57SpCombby charger do you mean some software/firmware component?
18:02.00slonopotamussounds scary :)
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18:02.27slonopotamusSpComb, sw
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18:07.57ShadowJKstuttering after reboot might be jffs2 garbage collection
18:08.23ShadowJKdo any of you people experiencing this have volt meters?
18:08.30ShadowJKdigital multimeters etc
18:08.59Luke-JrSpComb: bme_RX-44 is the battery charger
18:09.18RST38hstuttering after reboot may be that metalayer-crawler
18:09.22ShadowJKhm, I've seen bme die a few times.. without RD mode dsme would at that point reboot, I think
18:09.47Luke-JrShadowJK: with or without I'd hope
18:09.54keesjk-s: indeed
18:10.20ShadowJKLuke-Jr, without it doesn't... atleast I've managed to kill bme and not have the device reboot
18:10.26k-skeesj: hope to see you there!
18:10.31ShadowJK(accidentally, bme is kinda buggy)
18:11.07Luke-Jrit's funny how Nokia asked the community at some point what the #1 most important thing to open source was
18:11.13keesjI hope I can make it up for thet last time :p
18:11.26ShadowJKLuke-Jr, what was the answer? :-)
18:11.29Luke-Jrwe said BME/DSME
18:11.40Luke-Jrso Nokia stripped all the useful stuff out of DSME and opened that
18:11.58ShadowJKha
18:12.27Stskeepsnah
18:12.35Stskeepsdsme has practically been unchanged for a long time
18:12.38Stskeepslook at the svn tree
18:12.45Stskeepsthe fun part is that most of the stuff was in modules :>
18:13.01ShadowJKOne thing I wonder about these battery charging reboot loops... do people ever experience them with a running tablet? i.e. one that doesn't have empty battery, one that is running just fine as is, but reboots if charger is connected?
18:13.03Luke-Jreither way, what they opened was useless
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18:13.36Luke-JrShadowJK: uh, yeah, did you read the thread?
18:13.42Luke-Jrnobody there had an empty battery
18:13.44lcukisnt it a case of be careful what you wish for - it might just come true
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18:14.03Luke-Jrlcuk: if Nokia released BME code, it'd be useful
18:14.12lcukto who?
18:14.36slonopotamusto tablet users
18:14.38Luke-Jrproduct owners
18:14.40ShadowJKI've had the tablet spontaneously reboot when I've messed around with nonstandard chargers.. I dont think that went through the blink-blue-led-on-reboot stage though, it just insta-rebooted
18:14.42lcukwhat would i use it for
18:14.54lcukhow would it make my tablet experience better?
18:14.58Stskeepslcuk: killing people with tablet bombs
18:14.58Stskeeps!
18:15.05ShadowJK:)
18:15.11Stskeepsnoone suspects a nokia!
18:15.15lcukwhat i have wanted for a long time is access to hardware that was not used at all
18:15.18lcuki dont care how it comes
18:15.26lcukand quims posting today made me smile from ear to ear :)
18:15.54lcukTHAT is something that can give a direct benefit to the users
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18:15.59qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: Nokia have a fair reason for not open sourcing that one. Not to say I don't support your efforts in reversing it, also
18:16.17slonopotamuslcuk, it's impossible to make a thing that is useful for everyone. so _some_ of product owners would benefit
18:16.18Luke-Jrqwerty12_N810: no they don't
18:16.23ShadowJKThe docs i've managed to find unfortunately seem to hint that battery safety cutoffs are in software... so if you modified bme to not kill power when the battery voltage dips below safe, and run the battery much more emptier... you could create a ticking timebomb :>
18:16.35ShadowJKlcuk, what do you mean?
18:16.39ShadowJKnot sed?
18:16.39lcukslonopotamus, but im not in any hardship because bme is closed
18:16.41ShadowJKnot used?
18:16.44lcuki bought a product to do something
18:16.46lcukit does it
18:16.55lcukthats re bme^
18:16.57qwerty12_N810ShadowJK: powervr
18:17.01Luke-Jrlcuk: BME is buggy
18:17.07ShadowJKah
18:17.12lcukbut powervr drivers - well arent we all interested in games and sci progs and renderers and playing
18:17.29Luke-Jrlcuk: I'd be more interested in Nokia giving us the source or specs needed to make GPS work
18:17.29pupnikthat would be fun to see
18:17.35SpCombLuke-Jr: interesting
18:17.41StskeepsLuke-Jr: i honestly think it is because it's safe than sory
18:17.43Stskeepssorry
18:17.52lcukLuke-Jr, gps works?   its got a crap antenna and no amount of source is gonna change that i dont think, but it works
18:17.56qwerty12_N810Luke-Jr: the GPS sucks, I'd rather see the PowerVR
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18:18.20Luke-JrStskeeps: could be. but can't tell w/o code
18:18.29lcukcan you get a lock?
18:18.35lcukdoes map show where you are?
18:18.38Luke-Jrlcuk: no, GPS doesn't work outside of Maemo and it is also extremely buggy
18:18.50Luke-Jrlcuk: no
18:18.54lcukwhen you bought the device and turned it on did it work?
18:18.57ShadowJKhey does N8x0 have UL certification? I wonder how UL would treat user-modifiable bme in that case, might not have passed :)
18:19.11Luke-Jrwtf is UL
18:19.31Luke-Jrreleasing source doesn't change BME's status as user modifiable
18:19.38Luke-Jrwe can still modify BME
18:19.42ShadowJKunderwriter laboratories, a product safety laboratory thing in the US
18:19.53Luke-Jrlocking up the code only means we are doing it blind
18:20.01slonopotamusShadowJK, distribute bme source separately from tablet itself and be happy
18:20.07SpCombit's called obfuscation, aka. "security"
18:20.27Luke-JrSpComb: that's not security.
18:20.44lcukyou cannot force a company to show their code, and open source is meant to try to work round roadblocks
18:20.49Luke-Jrit's also infringing on our rights to do what we want with what we buy
18:21.23lcukbollocks
18:21.33Luke-Jrwhen I buy something, the company should have no say whatsoever with what i do with it
18:21.37Luke-Jrit's mine
18:21.37lcukyou can do whatever you want with what you bought
18:21.43lcukyou just havent got the hymn sheet
18:22.34SpCombShadowJK: the charger reboot-loops are very consitent for me
18:22.44ShadowJKanyway.. if my tablet was rebooting when I connected charger I'd return it on warranty :-)
18:22.57SpCombI have to mute my tablet if I want to charge it, otherwise the constant bootup-tones get really annoying
18:23.03lcukLuke-Jr, go and ask BMW for the source for their in car system
18:23.25ShadowJK(after poking the terminals with a scope, of course)
18:23.44lcukheh ShadowJK
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18:24.09ShadowJKtime for work, screen off :-)
18:24.11fuz_hello, it seems that reboot while charging are caused by bad batteries
18:24.40SpCombthat seems to be the conclusion that thread came to
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18:25.30johnsqHi
18:26.31Luke-Jrfuz_: they work otherwise just fine
18:26.47slonopotamusjohnsq, hello
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18:27.54johnsqslonopotamus: shouldn't x11 applications under chroot run with the original xserver?
18:28.08slonopotamusjohnsq, they do run
18:28.11slonopotamusah
18:28.19slonopotamusbind-mount /tmp
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18:29.13johnsqI will look, I have currently 1.6 direct running.
18:32.34SpCombalthough seems that while the device itself has 24 months warranty, the battery is only 6 months...
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18:32.56fuz_luke: bad battery work fine only for some time. I've got the reboot problem for more than 6 month (in a very intermittent way) with 2 batteries, and now they are also causing reboot when unplugged, or get instantly discharged some times
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18:33.38fuz_btw i'm the last poster here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=298376
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18:40.12SpCombdunno exactly how long I've had these issues, probably for 2-3 months, although they didn't all start at once
18:41.02SpCombfuz_: do you have any opinion as to how well the warranties cover this?
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18:42.46fuz_spc: i really don't know. you may try to have the battery replaced if it's in warranty period
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18:43.56SnahtI was looking for a way to get the URL for media streams that I've saved in the default media player for OS2008 (menu > clip > details doesn't work), and per maemo.org's bug tracker, bug 1654 indicates that this is a known issue with a workaround.  My question is if I edit /home/user/.mediaplayer-engine/radiochennels.m3u and (re)start the media player, will that screw something up, or will the media player now use the new name or URL?
18:44.05fuz_my n810 (and batteries) are 1.5 years old, so i'm out of luck with warranty
18:44.58SpCombmine is slightly over a year old, so it's within the 24 month warranty for the device, but presumeably not the 6 month warranty for the battery...
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18:46.17fuz_anyway, i'm glad it's a problem with the battery and not with the device
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18:47.06GAN800Ah, Luke-Jr Rants©
18:47.58qwerty12_N810Can I get the sermon sent to my house? =)
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18:49.55johnsqis there a readable fluxbox style for nit?
18:50.31slonopotamusjohnsq, oh my :) built flux?
18:50.59johnsqslonopotamus, yes its working but i need new glasses
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18:52.07slonopotamusjohnsq, increase font size?
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18:55.32FireFox16~seen xnt14
18:55.33infobotxnt14 is currently on #maemo. Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 6h 45m 51s, last said: 'RST38H, ok thanks :)'.
18:55.44FireFox16:P
18:56.59slonopotamus~seen zeenix
18:57.00infobotzeenix is currently on #maemo (15h 19m 47s), last said: 'calvaris: i wonder why you look so familiar? :P'.
18:57.14slonopotamuswow. useful :)
18:57.28slonopotamus~seen [1]ciroip
18:57.29infoboti haven't seen '[1]ciroip', slonopotamus
18:57.36slonopotamuserr
18:57.42slonopotamusinfobot, die
18:57.42infobotACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
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18:59.06FireFox16lol
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19:00.04lcukwonders how it manages to get the second round out
19:01.45qwerty12_N810More to the point: How does it get a gun in the first place? It's a bot and I thought there were gun-control laws *cough*...
19:02.11FireFox16~burn himself
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19:02.38FireFox16infobot: !
19:02.39infobotwell, ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass
19:02.47FireFox16xP
19:03.08FireFox16infobot: you suck
19:03.09infobotand very well I might add
19:03.14FireFox16rofl
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19:06.14johnsqslonopotamus: firefox is also running, but the menus are too small
19:06.48slonopotamusjohnsq, how's the speed, hehe? :)
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19:07.19johnsqslonopotamus: fast. no problems
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19:25.00Stskeepsa/G 12
19:25.01Stskeeps..
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19:26.03fireunhttp://www.physorg.com/news164996028.html
19:26.10fireunwhy couldnt it have been IBM instead of Intel?
19:26.21fireunthey're at least more OSS friendly
19:27.43fireunmaybe I'm beating a dead horse here, you all probably heard about this weeks ago
19:28.33Proteousweeks? years!!
19:28.52pupniktoday
19:29.31fireunProteous: so you clearly can see the future, what is gonna happen in 5 years?
19:29.37derfIntel (like IBM) is a large company. Different parts of it behave differently towards open source.
19:29.56derfSee, e.g., their graphics card division.
19:31.28Proteousfireun: intel renames itself to skynet
19:31.36Proteousetc. etc. etc
19:31.37fireunoh dang
19:32.01Proteousthat's why all my stocks are in canned food companies
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19:34.02fireunProteous: thats not the only reason I'm sure
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19:34.18fireundont forget the companies that import malaysian tin!
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19:35.22ProteousMmmm, lead
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19:36.04fireunProteous: you've also been buying up surplus x-ray gowns and lining your basement with them, havnt you?
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19:40.54Proteousfireun, I don't get it
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20:17.29GAN800contemplates an ARM PoS mach
20:17.30GAN800ine
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20:17.31GAN800Yearly that would have to be a huge powersaving
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20:18.26Stskeepsnext 24/7 server i will have will be ARM
20:18.43Stskeepsreally considering a sheevaplug
20:19.35woglinde*g*
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20:19.44woglindeeveryone wants a sheeva
20:20.52EdLinwhat'sa sheevaplug?
20:21.00woglindeuh?
20:21.24woglindeyou didnt get informed about the 1.2 ghz arm cpu
20:21.34StskeepsEdLin: http://gizmodo.com/5159399/sheevaplug-a-99-linux-pc-crammed-inside-a-wall-plug
20:23.44nomisStskeeps: do you have an idea if they come in an european variant as well?
20:24.20ShadowJKI have one
20:24.30ShadowJKThere's eu variant now
20:24.40woglindeShadowJK where to buy?
20:24.47woglindesome people asked me about
20:25.03ShadowJKBut the plug is removable, behind it is a standard socket thing
20:25.30EdLinwoglinde: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-22-sheevaplug-dev-kit-us.aspx
20:25.32ShadowJKThe kind you see/saw on portable radio casette players
20:25.46Stskeepsoo?
20:26.02ShadowJKYeh
20:26.05Stskeepsneat
20:26.08woglindeedlin the europeanversion
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20:26.23EdLinwoglinde: take a look at the website, they sell it too I think.
20:26.24woglindeah too
20:26.25woglindeokay
20:26.49GAN800Stskeeps, sadly the PoS software I have to use only runs on 98.
20:27.52qwerty12_N810Upgrade to Windows ME
20:28.05ShadowJKTook about 6 weeks before I got mine
20:28.35ShadowJKGot it this week, havent had much time to play with it
20:28.42GAN800I'm hoping I might be able to manage it in Wine
20:28.57GAN800Be really nice to save the money on XP licenses.
20:29.13ShadowJKThough usb-plug-ssh-remote does aout 10meg per sec
20:29.26ShadowJKShould do wonderfully on nfs im hoping
20:29.36woglindehm the openrd-client looks good too?
20:30.52ShadowJKYou get more connectors :)
20:31.28woglindevga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
20:31.42woglindethat would make a good carpc
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20:33.45ShadowJKIt kinda amuses me. It's basically a proper arm computer... Cheap.. But probably too late to reviwe riscos
20:34.10woglindeno fans
20:34.12Stskeeps200$ for that? cheap
20:34.18ShadowJKI wonder how it would have turned out if there hadnt been a huge gap with missing affordable hardware
20:34.26woglindefull gbit ethernet
20:34.39lbtThe CPU isn't the issue..... the HCI i
20:34.39woglindearm
20:34.40lbts
20:34.42woglindenot atom
20:35.08lbtor general Environment/Computer Iinterface
20:35.43lbtA CPU in a plug may as well be hosted
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20:37.38ShadowJKLbt: the other thing, not plug, has vga, sata, 7usb and some other ports..
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20:38.34lbtwhich? the 22 version?
20:38.38Stskeepsif it's really not fanned, it might be gf acceptable :P
20:39.12Stskeepswonders watt usage
20:39.42lbt"it operates on only 5-watts of power"
20:39.53Stskeepsthe openrd client?
20:40.56lbtthinks his irc is hiding lines....
20:40.57ShadowJKNote that the ports and connectors differ between the two openrd versions
20:41.17Stskeepsyeah
20:42.13ShadowJKMy plug seems to get quite warm.. But probably not unreasonably warm for 5watts in a glossy plastic closed box
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21:27.34lbtShadowJK: are there any I/O addons for the Sheevaplugs?
21:31.23woglindelbt only usb
21:31.25woglindeanf gbit
21:31.30woglindeethernet
21:31.32EdLinlbt: get a usb hub
21:31.58lbtI have 2 velleman p8055 :)
21:32.08woglindelbt whats that?
21:32.17lbthttp://www.velleman.be/ot/en/product/view/?id=351346
21:32.25lbthttp://www.velleman.be/images/products/0/k8055.jpg
21:32.42lbtI think it's a sheevalarm
21:33.25lbtcan you run asterisk on a sheeva... ?
21:33.35EdLin/ot/en/product/view/?id=351346
21:33.41EdLinoops
21:33.43woglindelbt why not?
21:34.04lbt"ring ring"...."you're being robbed"
21:34.48lbtsee... it's all about the sensors...
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23:51.38GeneralAntilles~rx-51
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