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| 00:10.45 | xnt14[laptop] | FireFox16, You There? |
| 00:11.07 | FireFox16 | yup |
| 00:11.12 | xnt14[laptop] | k |
| 00:11.14 | xnt14[laptop] | invite me |
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| 00:13.03 | FireFox16 | k |
| 00:13.16 | FireFox16 | you're in ;) |
| 00:13.42 | FireFox16 | hay crashanddie |
| 00:13.49 | GeneralAntilles | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nokia-n97-review-a-tale-of-two-bloggers/#continued " and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's the most important smartphone Nokia has ever made" that'll be funny when the Maemo phone is released. |
| 00:14.29 | FireFox16 | hehe |
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| 00:35.00 | FireFox16 | hi man_in_pda |
| 00:35.38 | man_in_pda | hi |
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| 02:01.14 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 02:01.16 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 25m 7s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 02:01.20 | xnt14 | lol |
| 02:01.25 | xnt14 | oh crap, |
| 02:01.31 | xnt14 | just noticed ^ |
| 02:01.37 | xnt14 | xD |
| 02:01.41 | GeneralAntilles | Too hot for auto work. |
| 02:02.02 | xnt14 | :P |
| 02:02.14 | GeneralAntilles | Stupid window motor is shot. |
| 02:02.38 | xnt14 | GA: moterized windows? |
| 02:03.31 | GeneralAntilles | Rear passenger side power window doesn't work |
| 02:03.48 | GeneralAntilles | Sadly it's a mechanical failure. |
| 02:03.50 | xnt14 | :( |
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| 02:52.53 | yonkeltron | is there a preferred media player? i've got canola but it's slow and i can't multitask while using it |
| 02:53.01 | yonkeltron | is there something a little lighter? |
| 02:55.19 | GeneralAntilles | Media player? |
| 02:55.33 | yonkeltron | yes. for music and the like |
| 02:55.40 | yonkeltron | well, i really only need it for music |
| 02:55.52 | GeneralAntilles | Er, yes, and my answer is "Media player" |
| 02:57.16 | yonkeltron | ah |
| 02:57.17 | yonkeltron | i see |
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| 02:57.56 | GeneralAntilles | Other than that, maybe Media Box, UKMP, Kagu, or mpd |
| 02:58.10 | yonkeltron | mpd runs on maemo now? |
| 02:58.43 | GeneralAntilles | Has since forever and a day |
| 02:59.01 | yonkeltron | never knew |
| 02:59.05 | yonkeltron | that's hilarious |
| 02:59.10 | yonkeltron | is media box any good? |
| 02:59.16 | GeneralAntilles | Some like it, some don't |
| 02:59.28 | GeneralAntilles | Arguably a lighter weight Canola in many ways. |
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| 03:01.16 | yonkeltron | youamp seems good |
| 03:01.19 | yonkeltron | like what i want |
| 03:01.27 | yonkeltron | playback, playlists, plays all my music |
| 03:06.08 | yonkeltron | whoa! my hebrew music shows up with proper titles! |
| 03:06.48 | FireFox16 | xD |
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| 03:49.44 | Ave | is there an addon for gpe-calendar thatd allow use of syncml? |
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| 03:58.24 | billcawell_ | hello! |
| 04:07.27 | sisto | does the screen on the new internet tablet have capacitive touch? |
| 04:07.42 | doc|home | which new tablet? |
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| 04:18.03 | pupnik_ | Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Hardy_Desktop_Virtual_SDK_Image has a .vmdk file but no .vmx file |
| 04:18.17 | pupnik_ | Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Hardy_Desktop_Virtual_SDK_Image.zip has a .vmdk file but no .vmx file |
| 04:18.36 | pupnik_ | can't be run in vmplayer |
| 04:22.52 | pupnik_ | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/documentation.html "However, if you want to use VMWare, you will need a *.vmx file (this file is already attached on virtual images zip files)." |
| 04:23.27 | pupnik_ | anybody have a working .vmx for the maemo vmware sdk? |
| 04:25.56 | t_s_o | intel and nokia, hand in hand... |
| 04:27.02 | GAN800 | sisto, liqbase is a Fremantle star. . . |
| 04:27.28 | sisto | GAN800: nice! |
| 04:29.45 | GAN800 | and, of course, since it's a sketch and notetaking application. . . . |
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| 06:07.57 | sparr | Are there any desktop equivalents of maemo mapper? for caching google maps of an area/route |
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| 07:19.17 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 07:19.24 | timeless_mbp | should i try Ovi Store on my n81? :) |
| 07:19.35 | timeless_mbp | was reading wp's glowing review |
| 07:19.45 | timeless_mbp | (nuclear radiation, stay away) |
| 07:19.54 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: any luck on the upgrade to testing btw |
| 07:20.02 | timeless_mbp | oh, it seemed to work |
| 07:20.25 | timeless_mbp | the hildon theme picker stopped crashing :) |
| 07:20.31 | Stskeeps | woo |
| 07:20.41 | timeless_mbp | i can't wait for the locale picker to appear :) |
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| 07:37.31 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 07:37.41 | timeless_mbp | when do i get a glibc that supports real apps? :) |
| 07:37.57 | Stskeeps | on mer? :P glibc should be fine |
| 07:38.45 | Stskeeps | glib we're getting 2.20 very soon |
| 07:38.50 | Stskeeps | it just takes quite a recompile once we have it :P |
| 07:40.16 | timeless_mbp | well... |
| 07:40.19 | timeless_mbp | can we have it sooner? |
| 07:40.25 | timeless_mbp | because not being able to use apps sucks |
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| 07:40.40 | Stskeeps | which apps in question btw? |
| 07:40.52 | timeless_mbp | how long of a list do you want? |
| 07:41.15 | Stskeeps | one example really |
| 07:41.19 | timeless_mbp | conboy |
| 07:41.23 | Stskeeps | hm, ok |
| 07:41.35 | Stskeeps | but are you trying to drag in extras stuff directly? |
| 07:42.23 | Stskeeps | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/armel/libglib2.0-0_2.20.1-mer1_armel.deb , http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/all/libglib2.0-data_2.20.1-mer1_all.deb |
| 07:42.30 | Stskeeps | would upgrade to glib2.20 (untested) |
| 07:42.37 | timeless_mbp | 'directly'? |
| 07:42.54 | Stskeeps | yeah, adding maemo.org extras and seeing if it works |
| 07:43.13 | Stskeeps | (is this ARM or x86 btw?) |
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| 07:44.36 | Stskeeps | http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Maemo://Mer://Devel://MaemoCommon/MerDevel_Ubuntu_9.04/i386/libglib2.0-0_2.20.1-mer1_i386.deb for i386 :P |
| 07:45.18 | timeless_mbp | x86 :) |
| 07:45.37 | timeless_mbp | so i need a working web browser? |
| 07:45.52 | Stskeeps | wget |
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| 07:46.04 | Stskeeps | and dpkg -i it |
| 07:47.32 | timeless_mbp | conboy was installed |
| 07:48.33 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
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| 07:49.09 | timeless_mbp | QuickClip doesn't install on Mer because /home/user doesn't exist |
| 07:49.23 | Stskeeps | yeah - maemoism |
| 07:49.37 | Stskeeps | in other news my touchpad just died. lovely |
| 07:49.42 | timeless_mbp | ouch |
| 07:50.06 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 07:50.27 | timeless_mbp | i can't install fbreader because libfribidi0 (>= 0.10.4-5) |
| 07:50.52 | Stskeeps | is it fremantle extras you're trying to install from? |
| 07:50.57 | Stskeeps | there's a known bug on that |
| 07:51.05 | timeless_mbp | what should i use? |
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| 07:51.18 | X-Fade | fribidi is in the sdk, but not on the device. |
| 07:51.22 | X-Fade | Or something like that. |
| 07:51.27 | X-Fade | Which is a bug ;) |
| 07:51.32 | timeless_mbp | i can't install PackageRate because it needs libapt-pkg-libc6.5-6.4.6 |
| 07:52.23 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah.. libapt-pkg is insane |
| 07:52.42 | Stskeeps | either way, our supported scenario isnt adding fremantle extras for one simple reason: it's built towards armv7 |
| 07:52.55 | Stskeeps | we will mirror fremantle extras source and build in OBS probably |
| 07:53.08 | Stskeeps | (and have new uploads through extras assistant upload to OBS too) |
| 07:53.36 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 07:54.11 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 07:54.24 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: wanna send mail to mytube's packager? |
| 07:54.29 | timeless_mbp | the description says 'an youtube' |
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| 07:55.05 | timeless_mbp | which is unfortunate because 'you' is not a vowel sound and is thus incompatible with 'an' |
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| 07:55.36 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: btw, ham in mer's behavior wrt <escape> from a category *sucks* |
| 07:55.46 | timeless_mbp | it should take me back to the list with the category i had open selected |
| 07:55.52 | timeless_mbp | instead it takes me back to the top of the list (all) |
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| 07:56.37 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: ok, what are you doing about libsdl1.2 ? :) |
| 07:57.22 | timeless_mbp | and is there a bug about the fact that ham likes to list the same error in problems more than once/ |
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| 07:57.57 | timeless_mbp | trying to install "Crimson Fields" lists libsdl1.2 twice |
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| 07:58.45 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 07:59.07 | timeless_mbp | someone please remind me to shoot midori |
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| 07:59.23 | timeless_mbp | totally unusable ui |
| 07:59.55 | Stskeeps | we plan to include Tear, since it seems to work |
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| 08:00.19 | timeless_mbp | and has error messages that fit on screen / don't require more window title space than on a full sized laptop? |
| 08:00.20 | timeless_mbp | cool |
| 08:01.12 | timeless_mbp | tries to remember how to make a repository |
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| 08:04.21 | Stskeeps | crashes on his sofa and watches a dilbert episode |
| 08:09.13 | liri | how's the MER project going? |
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| 08:09.40 | liri | getting an ubuntu distro would solve a lot of issues, for me specifically - the PIM thing with Evolution installed |
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| 08:10.07 | Stskeeps | liri: decently - still a way to go |
| 08:10.16 | liri | Stskeeps: uhh... |
| 08:10.30 | liri | Stskeeps: my n810 has been gaining dust for months now |
| 08:11.25 | Stskeeps | try it out and see how you feel about it, it's not a perfect product yet;) |
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| 08:20.04 | v6sa | Hello, can anyone tell me where this wizard puts all the pppd configuration? |
| 08:20.10 | timeless_mbp | liri: what features do you need? |
| 08:21.46 | liri | timeless_mbp: most important are sync for calendar, contacts and nice to have tasks/todo for google services |
| 08:22.04 | timeless_mbp | no need for a web browser? |
| 08:22.09 | lbt | liri: me too (but egw not google) |
| 08:22.14 | timeless_mbp | i take it that you want some form of networking? |
| 08:22.22 | liri | networking? |
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| 08:22.49 | timeless_mbp | ability to connect to a network |
| 08:22.56 | timeless_mbp | bluetooth, usb, wifi |
| 08:23.19 | liri | obviously. how would I sync without that? :) |
| 08:23.38 | timeless_mbp | well, you didn't indicate a need for a web browser :) |
| 08:23.48 | liri | heh |
| 08:24.00 | liri | because a web browser hasn't got to do with pim/syncing |
| 08:24.01 | timeless_mbp | you could sync via usb or bluetooth to your phone |
| 08:24.07 | timeless_mbp | without having networking |
| 08:24.21 | liri | what kind of solution are you offering, I'm not following |
| 08:24.31 | timeless_mbp | i'm not specifically offering |
| 08:24.38 | timeless_mbp | i'm merely trying to understand which things don't matter to you |
| 08:24.47 | timeless_mbp | Mer today comes w/ a browser no one would want to use |
| 08:24.56 | liri | why? |
| 08:24.56 | timeless_mbp | since you don't need one, that isn't a liability :) |
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| 08:25.09 | liri | what browser is it? |
| 08:25.09 | timeless_mbp | it isn't fingerable |
| 08:25.14 | liri | ahh |
| 08:25.14 | timeless_mbp | Midori |
| 08:25.25 | timeless_mbp | the strings are disastrous |
| 08:25.27 | liri | can't it just use what is in the n810 os? |
| 08:25.34 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 08:25.41 | Stskeeps | we wish but that's delayed ;) |
| 08:25.48 | liri | whats the reason? |
| 08:25.52 | liri | legal? |
| 08:25.59 | Stskeeps | just not open yet :) we'll know sometime |
| 08:27.16 | liri | ahh |
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| 08:40.05 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 08:40.09 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: can you try a package for me? :) |
| 08:41.46 | Stskeeps | mm, leave the url to me in msg and i will, - doing some work right now |
| 08:42.51 | timeless_mbp | basically: 1. dpkg -i the deb. 2. try using ham to install the package. 3. check the message. 4. verify that uninstalling the deb itself is safe |
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| 08:58.27 | narkotiko | hi |
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| 09:57.53 | wazd | hello, maemo, interesting news here |
| 09:58.00 | wazd | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/flash-10-for-smartphone-beta-coming-this-october/ |
| 10:00.03 | Stskeeps | more interesting: http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/23/intel-making-important-announcement-today-a-nokia-netbook/ |
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| 10:07.51 | lardman | Stskeeps: hmm, not sure we should read too much into it really |
| 10:08.27 | Stskeeps | probably not much but still, there's absolutely nothing interesting about a nokia x86 netbook |
| 10:08.46 | lardman | wine? |
| 10:08.57 | Stskeeps | has sworn never to buy a x86 laptop again personally |
| 10:08.59 | lardman | and no lcuk I'm not talking to you ;) |
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| 10:09.27 | lcuk | im not even here and you are dissing me :P |
| 10:09.30 | lcuk | why no wine |
| 10:09.40 | lardman | of course, can't stop the dissing |
| 10:10.23 | RST38h | cackles |
| 10:10.24 | lcuk | heh |
| 10:10.30 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 10:10.42 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: do you know anything about the hardcoding to browserui (what's the name anyway?) in maemo diablo apps? |
| 10:11.20 | timeless_mbp | you mean beyond dbus? |
| 10:11.42 | timeless_mbp | e.g. the feed reader is aware of the browser |
| 10:11.46 | timeless_mbp | since it can launch the browser |
| 10:11.48 | Stskeeps | well, people claim that they can't, let's say, switch default browser to tear or fennec and i fail to see how it is |
| 10:11.55 | timeless_mbp | that's one reason |
| 10:12.04 | Stskeeps | since i would just assume it's a dbus api or something |
| 10:12.13 | lardman | I read something in New Scientist yesterday (from the start of the month though) about Nokia using wifi triangulation for GPS-indoors |
| 10:12.19 | timeless_mbp | well, fennec doesn't offer the browserui dbus service name |
| 10:12.34 | RST38h | wifi triangulation sucks |
| 10:12.37 | timeless_mbp | the same presumably applies for tear |
| 10:12.43 | Stskeeps | ah, so it's matter of implementing browserui dbus service name |
| 10:12.43 | RST38h | wifi finerprinting sucks less though |
| 10:12.46 | lardman | the article said it had been done before, but that this would be a service not just for specific places |
| 10:12.49 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: well |
| 10:12.58 | timeless_mbp | probably the dbus service name and possibly /usr/bin/browser |
| 10:13.02 | lardman | RST38h: well it may suck, but better than nothing when inside hey |
| 10:13.05 | RST38h | on the other hand, nokia may have better access to the hardware so it can get more precise values for triangulation |
| 10:13.11 | timeless_mbp | i don't know how the feed reader launches the browser |
| 10:13.17 | timeless_mbp | but since both are "well known" items |
| 10:13.20 | Stskeeps | well that's more doable |
| 10:13.21 | timeless_mbp | both are relatively "fair game" |
| 10:13.33 | lardman | RST38h: probably also needs signal strength maps for the buildings, but anything is a step in the right direction |
| 10:13.36 | timeless_mbp | there aren't any other ways to legally poke the browser |
| 10:13.50 | lardman | wonders if it will be part of the location framework :) |
| 10:13.51 | timeless_mbp | if you replace both, and have issues, then the thing that's breaking is broken |
| 10:14.03 | Stskeeps | so that's the primary ways of executing browser (dbus and /usr/bin/browser) |
| 10:14.08 | Stskeeps | as in "open in browser" |
| 10:14.14 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 10:14.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 10:14.41 | timeless_mbp | note that neither tear nor fennec should replace /usr/bin/browser |
| 10:14.51 | timeless_mbp | because then you couldn't install both fennec and tear safely |
| 10:14.57 | Stskeeps | even with dpkg-divert? :P |
| 10:15.00 | timeless_mbp | someone should make a browser-alternatives program |
| 10:15.21 | Stskeeps | is /usr/bin/browser "just" a dbus wrapper/wrapper to browserd, or is it a full browser? |
| 10:15.23 | timeless_mbp | and all it should do is deal w/ /usr/bin/browser, the dbus service, and letting you pick the thing |
| 10:15.26 | timeless_mbp | it's the ui |
| 10:15.28 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 10:15.35 | timeless_mbp | there are other uis |
| 10:15.42 | timeless_mbp | e.g. internet tablet tutorial |
| 10:16.04 | timeless_mbp | in theory, /usr/bin/browser should work fine as /usr/bin/lame-browser |
| 10:16.19 | timeless_mbp | or /usr/bin/microb-browser |
| 10:16.28 | timeless_mbp | minus the dbus singleton issues |
| 10:16.31 | timeless_mbp | i have no idea how to deal w/ that |
| 10:16.33 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 10:16.45 | timeless_mbp | presumably that's a design flaw in dbus :) |
| 10:17.15 | Stskeeps | mind if i refer to this in the maemo irc logs so some people can get hacking on it? i think it's one of the more wanted "features" at the moment |
| 10:17.20 | Stskeeps | (even for me personally) |
| 10:18.09 | timeless_mbp | it's public :) |
| 10:18.13 | Stskeeps | k |
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| 10:57.16 | RST38h | lardman: when done with a standard |
| 10:57.29 | RST38h | sorry, old buffer |
| 10:58.03 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: I just tried to build anyremote on fremantle, but I got an error: |
| 10:58.57 | jeremiah | http://bit.ly/OlnEF |
| 10:59.16 | qwerty12_N810 | jeremiah: sorry, I don't know nothing about fremantle nor do I have an Fremantle SDK set up |
| 10:59.22 | jeremiah | ah okay. |
| 10:59.28 | jeremiah | Nevermind then. :) |
| 11:00.04 | qwerty12_N810 | But the configure isn't completing, hence the Makefile error :) |
| 11:00.17 | qwerty12_N810 | --disable-xtest ? =) |
| 11:00.28 | jeremiah | Yeah - I may do that. |
| 11:01.16 | jeremiah | Just wondered if you had encountered the same error before I descend into the rabbit hole. |
| 11:01.19 | jeremiah | .c |
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| 11:06.51 | lcuk | jeremiah, leave a message for jeremiah foster on talk.maemo.org, he is really good at fixing package problems :P |
| 11:13.43 | lcuk | apt-get install lunch |
| 11:17.53 | lardman | RST38h: well if it has the infrastructure it may become defacto |
| 11:18.00 | jeremiah | lcuk: That guy? No way - what a loser. |
| 11:18.34 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: were you going to debconf btw? i can't recall |
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| 11:26.06 | lcuk | lardman, in absence of gps communication, we could make use of the pitot tube in the rx-51 (it has everything else..), and use the camera to find landmarks |
| 11:26.22 | RST38h | lardman: you probably will never get specific infrastructure for in-house triangulation :) |
| 11:27.00 | RST38h | lardman: on the other hand, Nokia probably has better access to wifi chip registers, I only worked with Prism cards which compute signal strength by Tarot cards |
| 11:27.11 | Stskeeps | i would love UWB positioning in my home |
| 11:27.47 | RST38h | Sts: RFID seems to be a better choice |
| 11:28.00 | Stskeeps | RST38h: that's just proximity detection |
| 11:28.28 | lcuk | RST38h, if you know the locations of the base stations you can get yourself a pretty damned good location just by finding the roots of each |
| 11:28.44 | lcuk | rfid can be used for door entry/exit but not for positioning |
| 11:29.05 | lcuk | wants rfid activated catflap |
| 11:29.06 | Stskeeps | lcuk: yeah but UWB positioning is 3cm accuracy :> |
| 11:29.17 | lcuk | oooh |
| 11:29.20 | lcuk | nice |
| 11:29.54 | lardman | lcuk: got to be careful of pitot-tube icing |
| 11:30.21 | lcuk | yeah but at normal human speeds its not that common |
| 11:30.39 | lardman | s/speeds/altitudes :) |
| 11:30.59 | lcuk | i used to run around the house with my dads (from his hang glider) |
| 11:31.08 | lardman | anyway, we'll see what the location framework brings with it, hopefully very exciting stuff |
| 11:31.15 | lardman | lol |
| 11:31.15 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: Yeah, I want to go to debconf - I saw that you bought your ticket already |
| 11:31.24 | jeremiah | Stskeeps: When are you going to be there exactly? |
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| 11:31.47 | lardman | heads for lunch |
| 11:31.49 | lcuk | it only needs to say "indoors at location x,y,z" feasibly |
| 11:31.56 | lcuk | i want bluetooth location |
| 11:32.00 | lcuk | drop dongles everywhere |
| 11:32.05 | lcuk | we wanted to do it last year |
| 11:32.08 | Stskeeps | jeremiah: 23th - 31th - me and zenvoid are going |
| 11:32.26 | jeremiah | ah, for a whole week? :) |
| 11:32.37 | Stskeeps | well we have no idea when our BoF would be |
| 11:33.01 | jeremiah | Let me look at my calendar since I have vacation the last week of July and we will be away. |
| 11:33.46 | jeremiah | I most likely will show up on the 22nd and go home the 14th. |
| 11:33.53 | jeremiah | heh, 24th |
| 11:34.21 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
| 11:34.30 | Stskeeps | i warn you about the train booking, it's evil |
| 11:34.31 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 11:35.15 | jeremiah | Really? Why? In spanish? |
| 11:35.47 | Stskeeps | yeah and at some point it was throwing NullPointerException at us :P |
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| 11:40.28 | jeremiah | Yeah but NullPointerException is a place in Spain. |
| 11:40.45 | timeless_mbp | nice |
| 11:40.47 | Stskeeps | wouldn't surprise me |
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| 13:05.32 | lcuk | whats the dbus command to turn down the temperature? or is it a /sys branch? |
| 13:05.41 | lcuk | is baking in manchester |
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| 13:06.28 | qwerty12_N810 | dbus-send --dest=/the/north/sucks/ |
| 13:06.33 | ShadowJK | I think you need to do a manual i2c bitbanging on /dev/deity from userspace |
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| 13:10.41 | pupnik | "no one here gets out of this chroot alive" |
| 13:11.34 | lcuk | thanks qwerty12_N810, denying your roots again :p |
| 13:11.43 | lcuk | ShadowJK, i tried that |
| 13:11.51 | qwerty12_N810 | :P |
| 13:11.58 | lcuk | but it told me god could not be found |
| 13:12.38 | lcuk | perhaps i need to try as root |
| 13:12.43 | qwerty12_N810 | What about /dev/voodoo? |
| 13:12.55 | lcuk | no |
| 13:13.03 | lcuk | /dev/noodly_appendage was there thou |
| 13:13.09 | lcuk | should i try that |
| 13:13.25 | ShadowJK | I think you need to enable faith first, it's in /sys somewhere I think |
| 13:14.14 | lcuk | err: not enough faith |
| 13:14.24 | lcuk | how do i increase faith? :S :D |
| 13:15.18 | qwerty12_N810 | mknod faith 66 6 |
| 13:15.18 | ShadowJK | hm, tablet is eating lots of power suddenly |
| 13:15.28 | ShadowJK | i think bluetooth got stuck |
| 13:15.42 | qwerty12_N810 | stupid gps is stuck here :( |
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| 13:16.30 | pupnik | tear cut/paste still broken/incomplete |
| 13:17.14 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: temp. solution: get gconf-editor and set /apps/osso/gtk/enable-accels to false |
| 13:17.33 | pupnik | wow |
| 13:17.37 | qwerty12_N810 | prodded bundyo on that issue and he plans to remove the dodgy accels |
| 13:19.01 | ShadowJK | aha, disconnecting, disabling bluetooth, enabling bluetooth and reconnecting |
| 13:19.03 | ShadowJK | this dropped power consumption to a third |
| 13:20.39 | ShadowJK | it'd only idled 4 hours on full battery as it was |
| 13:21.00 | ShadowJK | now if it stays, it will run xchat with screen on for twice as long |
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| 13:22.57 | lcuk | ShadowJK, how did you test that in 6 minutes |
| 13:23.10 | lcuk | you went from problems with power, then found a solution and know how long extra it would last |
| 13:23.15 | lcuk | can i borrow your tardis? |
| 13:23.36 | X-Fade | lol :) |
| 13:24.08 | lcuk | either that or a clone of myself |
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| 13:27.18 | pupnik | fixed, qwerty12_N810 --- TY! |
| 13:27.30 | ukki | sup pupnik? |
| 13:27.48 | qwerty12_N810 | np pupnik |
| 13:28.01 | pupnik | just laying on the floor, chattin on tablet |
| 13:28.19 | pupnik | whats with you ukki |
| 13:28.23 | ukki | sounds way nicer than what i'm doing |
| 13:29.23 | ukki | i have to update java applets that were written by someone else like 8 years ago and they have a word que in 2/3 of the variables |
| 13:30.09 | ukki | so i've been better |
| 13:30.27 | pupnik | heh |
| 13:30.46 | lcuk | ukki, 8 years is miniscule in the life of code :) |
| 13:30.47 | RST38h | java applets better be killed off |
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| 13:31.13 | RST38h | if you can track down the Indian guy who wrote them and do the same to him, even better |
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| 13:41.09 | ShadowJK | lcuk: ftd :) |
| 13:41.55 | ShadowJK | you can set it to log certain battery/power values. I have a script that follows the ftd log |
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| 13:42.25 | lcuk | nice |
| 13:43.13 | ShadowJK | the script gives me average power balance over a minute, an integration of that (which I re-calibrate with data from lshal|grep battery periodically) |
| 13:43.43 | ShadowJK | if power draw is known, divide battery capacity with draw to get endurance ;) |
| 13:44.08 | ShadowJK | but anyway... the tablet was getting warm doing fuck all. that's all the tardis one needs |
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| 13:52.59 | lardman | feels like he might melt |
| 13:54.08 | lcuk | into the frying pan? |
| 13:54.22 | lcuk | gets the bacon ready |
| 13:55.40 | lardman | nah, just power walked up the hill and found my office rather warm to heat soak in |
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| 14:00.54 | lcuk | ewwww lardman, it was gettin too warm over here too, but then the heavens opened and udmped about 2gazillian inches of rain in under 5 minutes |
| 14:00.57 | lcuk | its nice and cool now |
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| 14:05.28 | lardman | nice and cool and 100% humidity |
| 14:05.30 | RST38h | Hmmm... the Collider is still winning |
| 14:05.42 | lardman | it rained here this morning, so has been pretty humid all day |
| 14:05.55 | RST38h | God is losing big |
| 14:06.09 | lardman | needs a new mobile |
| 14:06.42 | aquatix | lardman: Palm Pre? Samsung i7500? |
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| 14:06.59 | qwerty12_N810 | Nokia 3310? |
| 14:07.06 | RST38h | RAZR? |
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| 14:07.23 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: I'd rather take the 3310 :) |
| 14:07.33 | aquatix | or wait for the n900 |
| 14:07.40 | RST38h | qwerty: True, because 3310 is breakable but there is no way to get rid of a RAZR |
| 14:07.46 | lardman | I've got a 6300 which has poor sw |
| 14:08.05 | RST38h | lardman: realistically, 5800 or it smaller cousin |
| 14:08.39 | lardman | looks at phone prices in the uk |
| 14:08.53 | lcuk | you buyin me one as well :p |
| 14:09.43 | lcuk | you missed a trick lardman, when you were on the council you couldv added a decree about all former council members should be supplied with top of the range nokia mobiles for life in honous of the services performed |
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| 14:10.32 | lardman | no, I think we added that one actually |
| 14:10.44 | lardman | with a convenant that it should not be disclosed to the rest of you |
| 14:10.47 | lardman | oh damn! |
| 14:11.28 | lardman | hmm, sim only for £15pm - 600 anytime minutes and unlimited texts |
| 14:11.30 | lcuk | ooops :P what was the punishment for disclosure? you have to take over actually buying the mobiles for those who didnt bragg about it :P |
| 14:11.33 | lardman | I don't need that much though! |
| 14:11.44 | lcuk | you will do |
| 14:11.49 | lardman | no chance |
| 14:12.08 | lcuk | heh, get the contract and make damned sure you use all up |
| 14:12.11 | lardman | give me 200min + 50 texts for £5pm and I'll be happy |
| 14:12.41 | lcuk | you could do irc over sms |
| 14:12.55 | lcuk | or *shock* twitter |
| 14:13.06 | lcuk | "im on the bog" |
| 14:13.08 | lardman | sod that |
| 14:13.12 | lcuk | "@holly, can you pass me loo roll" |
| 14:13.19 | lardman | "im using up another of my limitless texts" |
| 14:13.26 | lardman | perhaps I could sell them |
| 14:13.34 | lcuk | there ya go, you are gettin the hang of it |
| 14:13.39 | lardman | wander around town offering to text people for 5p/text |
| 14:13.52 | lcuk | "you comin down to the pub - sponsored by calsberg" |
| 14:14.01 | lcuk | r |
| 14:14.06 | lcuk | (cheap knock off) |
| 14:14.13 | lardman | I could become an sms spam person |
| 14:14.23 | aquatix | would hate you |
| 14:14.28 | lcuk | why not, you do enough of it in irc :P |
| 14:14.50 | lardman | I've not tried to sell you viagra have I? |
| 14:14.56 | lardman | I'll add you to the list |
| 14:15.09 | lcuk | no, you keep them all to yourself, btw have you actually got any left |
| 14:15.16 | lcuk | and has it returned to normal since? |
| 14:15.31 | lardman | are they the red ones with little smiley faces on them? |
| 14:15.48 | aquatix | lardman: i prefer that other brand |
| 14:16.00 | lcuk | i dunno but now we know why holly was smiling in berlin :p |
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| 14:16.11 | lardman | lol |
| 14:16.20 | wazd | http://i059.radikal.ru/0906/60/59d8bc4dfd27.jpg <- for those nerds with 100+ connections) |
| 14:17.02 | X-Fade | wazd: How would one scroll to the next page? |
| 14:17.15 | lardman | scroll bar at the bottom? |
| 14:17.23 | X-Fade | lardman: Not finger friendly. |
| 14:17.26 | lcuk | use accelerometer in device and reorient yourself :D |
| 14:17.27 | lardman | ah |
| 14:17.38 | Stskeeps | wazd: it lacks kinetic scrolling ;p |
| 14:17.39 | lardman | don't these dialogs support dragging? |
| 14:17.43 | X-Fade | Needs next and and previous buttons or somthing like that? |
| 14:17.44 | lcuk | like an aliens radar pinger |
| 14:17.47 | X-Fade | Ah true.. |
| 14:17.56 | X-Fade | Could be.. |
| 14:18.09 | wazd | Stskeeps: well, you can do kinetic with scrollbar, or make it panable, or whatever) |
| 14:18.20 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 14:19.07 | lcuk | its a mockup isnt it - to get to the next screen you email wazd, tell him the wifi zones you expect to see and wait for a response |
| 14:19.10 | lcuk | its instant |
| 14:19.45 | lcuk | it would be expected to be hand pannable tho |
| 14:20.10 | lcuk | X-Fade, didnt ecoach sampppa use a pannable in his app at copenhagen |
| 14:20.16 | lcuk | and it works nicely |
| 14:20.25 | X-Fade | lcuk: Yeah, I think so. |
| 14:20.44 | lcuk | especially for a button list like the net manager shows |
| 14:20.50 | X-Fade | Keep forgetting the panning as we don't have that atm :) |
| 14:21.38 | lcuk | yeah he had it between his stats screen and the graph of results |
| 14:22.46 | lcuk | wazd, are there really that many open wifi spots near you? |
| 14:23.06 | lcuk | theres only 2 other spots near me and both are closed tighter than a nuns habit in the rain |
| 14:24.20 | wazd | lcuk: well, this is manager, it manages all your saved connections) |
| 14:24.38 | lardman | tries to see the relationship between nans, habits and rain |
| 14:24.42 | lardman | nuns even |
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| 14:27.13 | lcuk | i was gonna use an expletive :) |
| 14:27.22 | lcuk | but then i remembered where i am |
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| 14:29.05 | lardman | and you decided to use two instead...? |
| 14:29.14 | lardman | :) |
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| 14:35.01 | lardman | VDVsx: ping |
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| 14:35.54 | VDVsx | lardman, pong |
| 14:36.04 | lardman | Anyone know if Amazon web service is any use? |
| 14:36.08 | lardman | hey VDVsx |
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| 14:36.25 | omicron23 | hi there. I am using the IM client pidgin on OS2008. I can no longer connect to icq because my client version is "too old" . Is there a newer version available than the version from maemo.org? |
| 14:36.39 | lardman | I was going to ask whether pyamazon had been considered rather than writing from scratch (not that it's much anyway) |
| 14:37.17 | lardman | s/much/much work |
| 14:38.10 | lardman | VDVsx: I see Yahoo support was added today |
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| 14:38.57 | VDVsx | lardman, this is just simple tests atm |
| 14:39.14 | VDVsx | lardman, but pyamazon is a good suggestion, probably :) |
| 14:39.25 | lardman | actually pyaws is more up-to-date |
| 14:39.34 | lardman | I was going to take a look at that |
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| 14:44.00 | lardman | VDVsx: is zbar in extras-dev? |
| 14:44.28 | VDVsx | nop |
| 14:44.47 | lardman | compile it myself the |
| 14:44.50 | lardman | then] |
| 14:44.52 | lardman | aargh |
| 14:45.23 | VDVsx | lardman, I have to do a package, if someone don't do it earlier :) |
| 14:45.29 | lardman | :) |
| 14:45.35 | lardman | qwerty12_N810..... ;) |
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| 14:45.48 | johnsq | Hi |
| 14:45.59 | lardman | that has loads of deps, did you strip some out of it? |
| 14:46.13 | VDVsx | lardman, according to amit pyamazon don't search by ean codes, that was the reason for write the code in the svn |
| 14:46.18 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: sorry, Stskeeps has me doing a tear one |
| 14:46.27 | lardman | qwerty12_N810: np |
| 14:46.33 | VDVsx | lardman, yes QT and imagemagick++ |
| 14:46.45 | lardman | are they available somewhere? |
| 14:46.50 | VDVsx | lardman, but with imagemagick++ works better IMO |
| 14:48.22 | lardman | how hard is it to write a python wrapper for a C function? |
| 14:48.34 | lardman | I might just wrap the existing barcode stuff and save all those deps |
| 14:48.52 | VDVsx | lardman, which ones ? I only had to pull the imagemagick++ package, the rest is available on maemo |
| 14:48.55 | VDVsx | lardman, easy |
| 14:49.05 | lardman | cool |
| 14:49.16 | lardman | I don;t want Qt or Imagemagik |
| 14:49.20 | VDVsx | lardman, I can point you to a simple example |
| 14:49.34 | lardman | ok, I'll have a look this evening when I'm back home |
| 14:49.35 | lardman | thanks |
| 14:49.44 | VDVsx | lardman, np, :) |
| 14:51.00 | VDVsx | lardman, your code works really well in the device, apart from the GUI part :P |
| 14:51.11 | lardman | yeah the gui is very odd |
| 14:51.17 | lardman | I don;t know what's wrong with it at all |
| 14:51.41 | lardman | it also sucks cpu, pegs it at 100% when it's running, which isn't idea; |
| 14:51.47 | lardman | s/idea;/ideal |
| 14:52.54 | lardman | the gui sucks for sure, but the fact that the camera output vanishes is really annoying |
| 14:52.55 | VDVsx | lardman, did you used multiple gstreamer pipelines ? |
| 14:53.00 | lardman | no, just the one I think |
| 14:53.10 | lardman | I tried with a single one, with multiple, all sorts |
| 14:53.12 | lardman | still the same |
| 14:53.26 | lardman | bbiam, have to grab a lift - give me 10min and we'll continue |
| 14:53.32 | VDVsx | we had the same problem, but now is resolved :P |
| 14:54.16 | timeless_mbp | wazd: i think scrolling top down instead of left right is better, but user testing wins :) |
| 14:55.21 | timeless_mbp | wazd: scrolling left/right ends up spending a huge amount of time not making useful progress since you basically see 90%, 80%, 70%, 60%, 50%, .. of the same content |
| 14:55.40 | timeless_mbp | whereas scrolling up/down immediately shows you 20% new content |
| 14:56.11 | timeless_mbp | wazd: btw, where can i get that theme? |
| 14:56.50 | timeless_mbp | (actually i should have written 95%, 90, 85, 80, ...) |
| 14:59.38 | lcuk | timeless, i dont like side to side scroll because its easier to misclick |
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| 15:02.46 | Stskeeps | heh, peter@marketing: "I didn't make the Latin alphabet. " ;) |
| 15:02.59 | timeless_mbp | url? |
| 15:03.09 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=298979&postcount=15 |
| 15:03.11 | Luke-Jr_ | I don't like the Latin alphabet. |
| 15:03.36 | Stskeeps | are you a commie? |
| 15:03.53 | qwerty12_N810 | The Latin alphabet doesn't like you either |
| 15:03.54 | Luke-Jr_ | no |
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| 15:04.08 | Luke-Jr_ | more like a monarchist |
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| 15:06.29 | wazd | lcuk: I don't like side scrolling cause I don't like sides :) |
| 15:06.46 | Stskeeps | i really should get rid of my xfishtank progress screen.. |
| 15:07.13 | Luke-Jr_ | I need to start being more negative about Nokia |
| 15:07.20 | Luke-Jr_ | apparently someone needs to wake them up |
| 15:07.54 | wazd | timeless_mbp: well, to my mind side scrolling is pretty good for scrolling huge arranged lists |
| 15:07.57 | lcuk | what do you mean sides? |
| 15:08.12 | Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: want to review before I post? :P |
| 15:08.17 | Luke-Jr_ | "Ouch. x86 sucks. Hopefully some other company can provide us with the next generation of handhelds (SmartQ with a keyboardâ)â¦" |
| 15:09.13 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: as long as you don't claim to be speaking on behalf of Mer or something, sure.. :P |
| 15:09.13 | Luke-Jr_ | ok |
| 15:09.13 | lcuk | nothing wrong with x86 |
| 15:09.13 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: except everything |
| 15:09.15 | Stskeeps | x86 laptops are going to be a populace regulator, as it kills potential offspring |
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| 15:09.37 | Luke-Jr_ | I now know MIPS and ARM bytecode. I like those. :þ |
| 15:09.46 | lcuk | you are sounding like its some new thing, we have had x86 around us most of our lives |
| 15:09.50 | Luke-Jr_ | MIPS assembly is decent too |
| 15:09.51 | lcuk | do you code in asm? |
| 15:09.58 | lcuk | often |
| 15:10.03 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: I decompile. |
| 15:10.23 | lcuk | is it possible to decompile x86? |
| 15:10.30 | Luke-Jr_ | no idea, never tried |
| 15:10.38 | lcuk | im surei n the last few years SOMEONE mustv written a decompiler for x86 ;) |
| 15:10.40 | Luke-Jr_ | in theory, it's possible to decompile anything |
| 15:10.45 | wazd | lcuk: what do you mean "missclick"?) |
| 15:11.20 | lcuk | wazd, because of the expected gesture and motion a left to right wipe is more clumsy than the expected up down movement |
| 15:11.21 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: but do note I said "bytecode". I don't care much for ARM assembly. :þ |
| 15:11.29 | lcuk | and leads to your swipe being read as a click |
| 15:11.36 | Luke-Jr_ | I can understand the bytecode much better. |
| 15:11.40 | lcuk | so why do you care so much against x86? |
| 15:11.47 | timeless_mbp | wazd: well... |
| 15:11.53 | wazd | lcuk: you have any statistics to prove that?) |
| 15:11.58 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: x86 is so bad, nothing *really* implements it anymore |
| 15:12.05 | Stskeeps | mhm |
| 15:12.08 | Stskeeps | http://www.nokia.com/press/press-releases/showpressrelease?newsid=1324456 |
| 15:12.08 | timeless_mbp | wazd: for one, Apple disagrees :) |
| 15:12.12 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: all modern "x86" processors are really some obscure RISC with an emulator on top |
| 15:12.19 | lcuk | i have a duffed up n810 that i have spent the last 16 months coding for and testing specifically how to scroll and move |
| 15:12.22 | lcuk | so, yeah i do |
| 15:12.26 | lcuk | on a perfect screen maybe |
| 15:12.32 | lcuk | but once the gloss wears off.. |
| 15:12.43 | Luke-Jr_ | Stskeeps: yeah, that's what I was responding too |
| 15:12.45 | lcuk | luke-jr, event less reason to rage then |
| 15:13.01 | wazd | lcuk: you probably mean one handed use |
| 15:13.05 | Luke-Jr_ | lcuk: if I could use the underlying RISC directly, I wouldn't be annoyed by it :þ |
| 15:13.15 | lcuk | wazd i mean USE |
| 15:13.16 | Luke-Jr_ | or at least not as much |
| 15:13.37 | lcuk | one or two handed doesnt matter, its the fact side swipes are less precise than updown |
| 15:13.49 | wazd | lcuk: Well, I haven't got any problems with scrolling from left to right of from top to bottom |
| 15:14.41 | lcuk | what device do you do side-side testing on? |
| 15:14.43 | lcuk | and what apps? |
| 15:14.47 | lcuk | would like to test |
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| 15:15.30 | lardman | sorry, long 10min |
| 15:17.26 | Stskeeps | andre__: it's still a performance issue and patch is there and works for us, - misaligned access causes performance problems :) but for us, we just want it to go into upstream as we actually genuinely fixed a problem :P |
| 15:17.26 | lcuk | wazd, the map in liqbase allows full side toside, play for a while and see whether its as responsive as doing updown |
| 15:17.33 | Stskeeps | andre__: re 4023 |
| 15:18.21 | wazd | lcuk: I can just scroll the browser around |
| 15:18.45 | andre__ | Stskeeps, yeah. and i sometimes wonder why it's so hard to integrate a trivial 3 liner... |
| 15:18.47 | lcuk | most webpages are geared for updown |
| 15:18.52 | lcuk | its not a real test is it |
| 15:19.53 | lardman | ~curse Word-art |
| 15:20.06 | lcuk | ~lart lardman |
| 15:20.06 | infobot | stabs lardman |
| 15:20.21 | lcuk | doesnt know what lart means tho |
| 15:21.09 | qwerty12_N810 | ~help lart |
| 15:21.18 | lardman | ~lart infobot |
| 15:21.18 | infobot | urinates on lardman |
| 15:21.23 | qwerty12_N810 | Desc: Luser Attitude Readjustment Tool |
| 15:21.24 | lardman | lol |
| 15:21.55 | wazd | lcuk: I mean, I can rotate the screen)) |
| 15:22.00 | qwerty12_N810 | lardman: good job you didn't give it your viagra |
| 15:22.31 | derf | LART is a StrongARM board with 32 MB RAM and 4 MB ROM, with 250 MIPS in under 1 W. |
| 15:22.32 | lardman | I thought it was talking about stabbing with a chopstick or knife actually.... |
| 15:22.52 | lcuk | wazd, a quick test and tick of a box does not confirm much. thats not usability testing really ;) |
| 15:23.01 | lardman | hey derf |
| 15:23.09 | derf | Hey lardman. |
| 15:23.14 | derf | What's new in maemo-bardcode land? |
| 15:23.23 | lardman | nothing yet |
| 15:23.31 | derf | How did your QR code scavenger hunt go? |
| 15:23.33 | lardman | but I'm going to start doing some hacking this evening |
| 15:23.40 | wazd | lcuk: I'll try to scroll 100 times and cont how may will fail |
| 15:23.46 | lardman | I started thinking about it, but was really busy before the wedding |
| 15:23.49 | wazd | lcuk: sounds like a test for me |
| 15:24.01 | derf | Yeah, if you're not really busy before your wedding, you're doing it wrong. |
| 15:25.21 | lardman | anyway I thought I might add a python wrapper for batoo and for your QR code decoder and do some python hacking |
| 15:26.42 | lcuk | wazd, nokia have mechanical testing facilities, thats not whats being said. it doesnt matter really tho, whichever way its laid out it should be feasible to just be flipped orientation wise by the dev |
| 15:27.04 | lcuk | so if it proves unreliable in realworld it can be changed |
| 15:27.38 | lardman | derf: might get some people writing some apps more quickly that way |
| 15:27.50 | lardman | and the ui stuff is less of a pita than the wonders of GTK+ in C |
| 15:27.52 | lardman | afair |
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| 15:30.15 | derf | Well, I am no fan of Python on an embedded device, but something is better than nothing. |
| 15:31.05 | derf | I still need to add some DoCoMo tag parsing at some point. |
| 15:31.06 | Stskeeps | python-launcher helps a bit :P |
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| 15:32.02 | lardman | derf: yes, I had a quick look at the stuff on their website |
| 15:32.45 | derf | I mean, it's not much work, I just have to figure out what I want the API to look like, mostly. |
| 15:32.50 | guysoft422 | Hey, is it possible to rotate pose's (palmos emulstor) screen? |
| 15:32.53 | guysoft422 | emulator* |
| 15:33.02 | lardman | derf: you plan to add it to the C code? |
| 15:33.17 | lardman | I was thinking more of letting someone write their own in python |
| 15:33.29 | derf | Well, it'd probably be less code in Python. |
| 15:33.37 | lardman | some advantages ;) |
| 15:33.56 | k_ | Hi, i have question about irssi for n810 os2008 is allowed somewhere or i can download for that tablet? |
| 15:34.12 | derf | You only have to load 20 MB of shared libraries or whatever it is to use it! |
| 15:34.38 | lardman | yeah, but other people are already using it, so it should hopefully be free |
| 15:34.50 | lardman | I do agree with you though about it being a bit distasteful |
| 15:35.12 | lardman | but it would be nice to get somehting up and running, then convert it to C for the sake of speed/memory efficiency |
| 15:35.19 | derf | Right. |
| 15:35.24 | derf | One step at a time. |
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| 15:35.51 | derf | It would also be nice to get support for more formats in a more integrated library. |
| 15:36.01 | derf | But I am unlikely to have that kind of time for the forseeable future. |
| 15:36.06 | lardman | same here |
| 15:36.28 | lardman | zbar looks like it does a variety of 1D and even stacked 1D I think |
| 15:36.35 | derf | zbar? |
| 15:36.37 | k_ | Anyone can help me? from where i can download irssi for n810? |
| 15:36.38 | GAN800 | Intel . . . ugh |
| 15:36.52 | Stskeeps | GAN800: at least they are going to cooperate in some good areas |
| 15:36.55 | Stskeeps | welcomes the move |
| 15:37.12 | lardman | derf: http://zbar.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:37.25 | lardman | GAN800: has it been officially announced? |
| 15:37.43 | lardman | derf: ah no, just 1D, not stacked stuff |
| 15:38.02 | derf | Well, even "a variety of 1D" is useful. |
| 15:38.08 | lardman | yes true |
| 15:38.21 | GAN800 | lardman, see Stskeep's press release. |
| 15:38.29 | lardman | I'll have to see about cutting away the Qt and ImageMagick+ deps |
| 15:38.34 | GAN800 | s/'s/s'/ |
| 15:38.39 | lardman | GAN800: yeah saw that |
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| 15:38.52 | derf | Mmm, "small, layered, ... implemented in C". |
| 15:38.56 | derf | I like it already. |
| 15:38.57 | lardman | :) |
| 15:39.11 | RST38h | moo all |
| 15:39.52 | GAN800 | is less and less interested in what Nokia has to offer. |
| 15:40.07 | derf | Maybe I should work with them to get the qrcode stuff in their library. |
| 15:40.16 | derf | That's probably a better place for it, long term. |
| 15:40.25 | GAN800 | x86 means one thing: Windows |
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| 15:40.49 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 15:40.56 | lardman | derf: they seem to just be 1D though |
| 15:40.56 | Pavlov | windows ce for all! |
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| 15:41.24 | lardman | derf: I think the applications of 1D/stacked 1D and 2D are so different that people are not overly interested in combining them |
| 15:41.51 | derf | lardman: Yes, but the "linear scanner" stage is exactly equivalent to the first step of QR code decoding (i.e., used to locate the finder patterns). |
| 15:42.01 | VDVsx | lardman, http://code.google.com/p/zxing/wiki/InterestingLinks |
| 15:42.02 | lardman | ok |
| 15:42.07 | derf | So I think it may be a better fit than you'd first suspect. |
| 15:42.08 | wazd | everyone was so excited with horizontal scrolling, but noone noticed that bluetooth tab looks like activated button, and this is huge confusing mistake |
| 15:42.13 | lardman | yeah, they have managed to do some good there VDVsx |
| 15:42.19 | GAN800 | and Windows means it's just more 'me too' BS. |
| 15:42.58 | derf | lardman: And they say the play to do PDF-417 eventually, too. |
| 15:43.34 | lardman | oh right, I didn't read that far |
| 15:43.38 | lardman | well in that case why not |
| 15:43.47 | derf | I'll mail them about it. |
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| 15:44.00 | VDVsx | lardman, you have some QR code libs written in C in the link above |
| 15:44.08 | lardman | though I'll still wrap the existing code, unless you fancy doing it yourself |
| 15:44.12 | wazd | RST38h: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg <- what do you think bout horizontal scrolling?) |
| 15:44.24 | wazd | GAN800: and you ofcourse :) |
| 15:44.30 | RST38h | GAN: You got the arrow wrong. |
| 15:45.07 | RST38h | wazd: I think you should remove the border and probably the scrollbar too |
| 15:45.18 | RST38h | wazd: Just do it iPod style, but in three columns |
| 15:45.35 | lardman | VDVsx: there was only one in C iirc, and derf didn't much like it so wrote his own |
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| 15:45.40 | wazd | RST38h: I don't know the style of the iPod) |
| 15:45.48 | RST38h | GAN: Windows->x86, but x86 not -> Windows |
| 15:46.17 | RST38h | wazd: The first iPods came out with basically a single-column version of the NeXT browser |
| 15:46.39 | RST38h | wazd: I.e. it shows a plain column of items, you select one, it scrolls right-to-left revealing the next column of items |
| 15:46.53 | wazd | RST38h: oh |
| 15:47.09 | RST38h | wazd: No need to invent anything on top of this, other than having 3 columns of course :) (just like the original NeXT browser) |
| 15:47.36 | wazd | RST38h: I think that vertical scrolling with 2 rows is a bit confusing |
| 15:48.06 | wazd | RST38h: 3 rows is super confusing :) |
| 15:48.18 | RST38h | wazd: easy to fix |
| 15:48.40 | RST38h | wazd: make vertical dividers a bit thicker, add title to each column, make each column scroll separately |
| 15:49.04 | wazd | RST38h: I think you've missed the idea, it's single list :) |
| 15:49.13 | wazd | RST38h: not 3 separated |
| 15:49.23 | RST38h | wazd: ah, so it has just got so many items? |
| 15:49.28 | wazd | RST38h: yep |
| 15:49.51 | wazd | RST38h: and it scrolls horizontaly |
| 15:50.11 | RST38h | wazd: that makes things different =) |
| 15:50.59 | RST38h | wazd: in this case, I would probably remove all separators |
| 15:51.04 | VDVsx | Ari is back o_0 : http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/2009/06/collaboration-upstream-intel-and-others.html |
| 15:51.28 | RST38h | wazd: although it would look more boring |
| 15:52.06 | RST38h | VDVsx: Oh, good, so I do not need to keep this confidential any longer |
| 15:52.28 | VDVsx | RST38h, lol |
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| 15:57.16 | GAN800 | RST38h, there's no other reason that would justify it. |
| 15:57.41 | GAN800 | and since it is, they're going to have to suppport it. |
| 15:58.41 | RST38h | GAN: Will better computational performance justify it for you? |
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| 15:58.54 | RST38h | As in "MicroB no longer hangs on Slashdot"? |
| 15:59.13 | RST38h | Or "keyboard input does not lag, even in AbiWord"? |
| 15:59.14 | wazd | I was thinking, maybe remove that main window borders and make all this stuff to fill whole space? |
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| 15:59.24 | RST38h | wazd: yep |
| 15:59.39 | Stskeeps | oh please make connman less messed up :P |
| 16:00.01 | GAN800 | RST38h, not at the expense of reasonable battery life. |
| 16:00.03 | wazd | Stskeeps: what do you think bout latest stuff btw? |
| 16:00.07 | Stskeeps | wazd: url? |
| 16:00.19 | wazd | Stskeeps: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg |
| 16:00.29 | GAN800 | Besides, what the hell kind of use is it to compare stuff from 2007 to current? :rolleyes: |
| 16:00.36 | RST38h | GAN: What if it ALSO has decent battery life? |
| 16:01.07 | GAN800 | really doesn't care to have a discussion about Intel with an employee. |
| 16:01.32 | Stskeeps | wazd: this pops out of the selection menu? :P |
| 16:01.41 | RST38h | is not trying to sell GAN anything just asking |
| 16:01.55 | RST38h | testing what boundary conditions are |
| 16:02.16 | wazd | Stskeeps: sort of :) |
| 16:02.44 | wazd | Stskeeps: thats not the statusbar applet pop up) |
| 16:02.51 | Stskeeps | wazd: ok |
| 16:03.11 | wazd | gtg, bbl, kthxbye, roflmao :) |
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| 16:04.57 | GAN800 | Maemo is just one long sigh for me these days. |
| 16:05.26 | GAN800 | I need hardware or I need something that doesn't put me in a bad mood every time I read my email. |
| 16:05.32 | qwerty12_N810 | has faith in the hardware but not in the software |
| 16:05.44 | wazd | GAN800: http://s40.radikal.ru/i090/0906/ee/de0d9b66598f.jpg <- check it out :) |
| 16:05.50 | lcuk | GAN800, what if arm licensed a decent x86 that didnt effect battery consumption but gave even more horsepower |
| 16:06.01 | lcuk | errr ti i mean |
| 16:06.06 | wazd | GAN800: and tell me what's awful in it) |
| 16:06.23 | GAN800 | lcuk, that's something that doesn't exist |
| 16:06.35 | GAN800 | ARM is always going to offer better battery life |
| 16:07.15 | lcuk | wazd, i actually really like it, the style is incredible, mer is coming along a treat. and most people wont have that many anyway so scroll discussion can wait |
| 16:07.21 | wazd | GAN800: and yes, stop ignoring me :P |
| 16:07.23 | RST38h | GAN: Possible but at the moment I would not bet on it |
| 16:07.26 | GAN800 | Horizontal scrolling and grids are not things I enjoy. |
| 16:07.48 | lcuk | GAN800, thats not to say its not feasible |
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| 16:08.01 | lcuk | lots of folks WOULD like to dualboot into windows on their handhelds |
| 16:08.18 | RST38h | wouldn't though |
| 16:08.21 | GAN800 | Lots of folks aint me. |
| 16:08.38 | GAN800 | x86 doesn't bring me any benefits that ARM doesn't offer. |
| 16:08.50 | lcuk | then make a writeup about what your nervana is :) really |
| 16:08.55 | GAN800 | Especially not at the price those benefits would bring. |
| 16:09.01 | lcuk | lead instead of moan :P |
| 16:09.19 | GAN800 | oh fuck off |
| 16:10.50 | guysoft422 | hi, ill ask again: is there a way to rotate the window of the pose emulator? |
| 16:11.11 | johnsq | guysoft422: rotate it in the emulator |
| 16:11.15 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, pong? |
| 16:11.20 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
| 16:11.51 | guysoft422 | johnsq, how?? |
| 16:11.59 | slonopotamus | johnsq, hello. how's your tablet progress? :) |
| 16:11.59 | guysoft422 | johnsq, i see no button |
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| 16:12.33 | johnsq | guysoft422: depends on the emulator. when not build it add it. |
| 16:14.33 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Does this make sense to you? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4730 |
| 16:14.33 | murrayc | Stskeeps: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4729 is annoying too. |
| 16:14.37 | guysoft422 | johnsq, pose build 3.5, not sure who compiled it |
| 16:14.37 | johnsq | slonopotamus: fine. improved my page, playing with infrared. |
| 16:14.38 | guysoft422 | joelmaher_, what do you use? |
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| 16:14.40 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, for your consideration: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Brucedavenport |
| 16:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | WTF |
| 16:14.41 | johnsq | guysoft422: sorry don't know, than you can try the x11 rotation, with xrender, search on maemo.org how to install. |
| 16:14.41 | GeneralAntilles | I know a Bruce Davenport. |
| 16:14.41 | johnsq | s/xrender/xrandr |
| 16:14.43 | VDVsx | GeneralAntilles, if you need help moderating the wiki, count on me, I usually watch the recent changes page :) |
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| 16:15.07 | guysoft422 | johnsq, it seems an overkill, the processor is already having a hard time |
| 16:15.32 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done. |
| 16:15.46 | Stskeeps | murrayc: the SVN isn't the latest HIM as far as i know |
| 16:15.47 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, argh, do I have another hour? |
| 16:15.57 | Stskeeps | (re 4730) |
| 16:15.59 | andre__ | right now into some backup bugs testing |
| 16:16.05 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, I need to go to the autoparts store, so, sure. |
| 16:16.10 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Yeah, I guess so. That might explain both bugs. |
| 16:16.12 | andre__ | cool |
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| 16:16.30 | slonopotamus | johnsq, i lost link somewhere... :( |
| 16:16.43 | johnsq | guysoft422: try it, the xrandr is very lowlevel, depends on the code, if it have any speed impacts. |
| 16:16.46 | Stskeeps | murrayc: yeah - over 12 months old |
| 16:17.01 | johnsq | slonopotamus: http://goron.de/~johns/n810 |
| 16:17.53 | murrayc | andre__: The "Input Method Framework" (e.g. bug 4730) has an individual as the default assignee. Shouldn't there be an alias so that more people can watch the bugs. Actually I don't know if there are aliases for anything in bugs.maemo.org. |
| 16:18.17 | andre__ | murrayc, people are expected to watch the qa contact |
| 16:18.27 | andre__ | not the assignee |
| 16:18.33 | andre__ | and the qa contacts are unique |
| 16:18.41 | murrayc | andre__: Oh, right. Thanks. It's fine then. |
| 16:19.00 | andre__ | hmm, so 4729 and 4730 are probably fixed but not for the public because svn code is ancient? |
| 16:19.06 | murrayc | andre__: I guess that Richard Sun should be watching input-method-framework-bugs@maemo.bugs too. |
| 16:19.20 | murrayc | andre__: We don't know for sure. I asked in the bug. |
| 16:19.31 | Stskeeps | andre__: latest version is in fremantle beta sdk, i just checked timestamp of SVN, 12 months old :P |
| 16:19.42 | andre__ | gnarf |
| 16:19.56 | murrayc | Stskeeps: Are you sure that the version in the beta SDK is newer? |
| 16:20.07 | andre__ | if you're sure, please add a comment to the two repotrs |
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| 16:20.49 | Stskeeps | murrayc: 2.0.4 in SVN, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method/ says 2.1.16 |
| 16:20.52 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:21.02 | murrayc | Harumph. |
| 16:21.03 | andre__ | sigh. nokia. |
| 16:21.09 | murrayc | Secret then public then secret. |
| 16:21.11 | lbt | Qt is in gitorious :) |
| 16:21.33 | Stskeeps | murrayc: ah, it was public from prealpha1, but not publically developed :P |
| 16:21.40 | lbt | kick them harder to follow that example |
| 16:21.42 | Stskeeps | (as far as i remember it) |
| 16:22.11 | GeneralAntilles | VDVsx, done, by the way. |
| 16:22.14 | GeneralAntilles | Feel free to delete. |
| 16:22.16 | GeneralAntilles | and ban |
| 16:22.41 | GeneralAntilles | Did we ever get the promised finger keyboard example? |
| 16:22.46 | murrayc | Stskeeps: You mean that the source tarball is out there, but not the svn? |
| 16:23.03 | murrayc | GeneralAntilles: That's what I'm working on, slowly. |
| 16:23.16 | Stskeeps | murrayc: aye |
| 16:23.31 | Stskeeps | (url above) |
| 16:23.39 | VDVsx | GAN800, ok thanks |
| 16:24.26 | murrayc | tries to guess where the tarball is. |
| 16:24.28 | qwerty12_N810 | GeneralAntilles: nada |
| 16:25.09 | Stskeeps | murrayc: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method/ and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0beta/free/h/hildon-input-method-framework/ |
| 16:25.28 | murrayc | Oh, yeah, it's right next to the .deb. Sorry. |
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| 16:39.41 | guysoft422 | johnsq, nevermind. granet emulator is much faster |
| 16:40.26 | derf | lardman: There were none written in C when I wrote mine. There was one in C++, and a port of that to Objective C, and one in Java, none of which are the same. |
| 16:40.50 | johnsq | guysoft422: and no need to rotate extra for this application |
| 16:41.05 | pupnik | i built the first pose guysoft422 . for your trivial pursuit score. |
| 16:42.45 | Stskeeps | dear god on the hypocracy of the nokia-siemens and iran stuff.. |
| 16:43.12 | Stskeeps | (it made it to danish newspapers now) |
| 16:43.20 | Luke-Jr_ | wtf? |
| 16:43.54 | Stskeeps | that they sold interception and monitoring software/hardware to iran |
| 16:44.09 | johnsq | nokia helped with censorship |
| 16:44.12 | Luke-Jr_ | this is a problem? |
| 16:44.35 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr_: while not looking at what their own countries are doing, people are really upset about it |
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| 16:45.09 | Stskeeps | and fact is, it's not the interception you need to look at, that's simple, it's the really scary shit that's possible given sufficient computing power :> |
| 16:45.21 | Luke-Jr_ | johnsq: authorities have legitimate power to censor. |
| 16:45.23 | johnsq | they can sell the same stuff in germany, we also get good censorship |
| 16:45.29 | Luke-Jr_ | and from the little said here, it sounds more like it's self defense |
| 16:46.42 | Stskeeps | but making nokia the bad guy is like blaming tcpdump author for the atrocities done with it.. |
| 16:46.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:47.21 | Luke-Jr_ | I'm not really sure what "atrocities" Iran is responsible for that makes it any different from any other nation. |
| 16:47.30 | Stskeeps | none, at all |
| 16:47.45 | Stskeeps | but press / idiots spin it like it's something terrible nokia-siemens did :P |
| 16:48.06 | Luke-Jr_ | well, it's not just Nokia.. |
| 16:48.09 | Luke-Jr_ | ESR seems to think there's some reason to rebel there |
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| 16:50.50 | VDVsx | derf, there is one now: http://megaui.net/fukuchi/works/qrencode/index.en.html |
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| 16:58.59 | lardman | derf: sorry, hazy memory :) |
| 17:00.03 | lardman | lcuk: wine now, the real stuff |
| 17:00.05 | lardman | :) |
| 17:00.14 | derf | VDVsx: You linked to an encoder, not a decoder. |
| 17:00.35 | lardman | derf: interestingly I can't find the batoo c source that we're using in maemo-barcode anymore |
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| 17:00.47 | derf | But I think I know the one you're talking about, and I've tried it, and not only does it depend on OpenCV and use tons of floating point, but it's not very robust. |
| 17:00.49 | lardman | thankfully we imported the c file and header |
| 17:00.54 | derf | lardman: :) |
| 17:01.12 | Luke-Jr_ | that is *one* advantage to GPL |
| 17:01.21 | Luke-Jr_ | virtually impossible to lose the code |
| 17:02.17 | suihkulokki | GPL - free as free geographically distributed backups |
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| 17:02.28 | lardman | this was just a conversion the author did, but it wasn't used in any binary |
| 17:03.13 | VDVsx | derf, ups, sorry |
| 17:03.15 | lardman | though I'm sure it's scudding around in someone's "Random source codes I might want to use one day" directory ;) |
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| 17:06.13 | VDVsx | lardman, yah, batoo is now listed as a java app: BaToo Java/J2ME 1D reader :( |
| 17:06.55 | lardman | well you can grab the batoo.c file from the maemo-barcode svn if you want |
| 17:06.57 | lardman | :) |
| 17:07.20 | lardman | it was always Java, with some Symbian C++ code too, and just happened to have a C port at the time |
| 17:07.33 | lardman | tbh I can't find a link for any source on that site now, despite it all being GPL |
| 17:07.47 | VDVsx | lardman, by the same authors ? |
| 17:07.52 | VDVsx | the c code |
| 17:08.28 | lardman | yep |
| 17:08.43 | VDVsx | strange |
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| 17:09.52 | lcuk | archive.rgo |
| 17:09.56 | lcuk | archive.org even |
| 17:09.57 | lardman | it may still be there hidden away on the source download page wherever that is now |
| 17:10.11 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, I've also got a tarball somewhere on my machines |
| 17:10.18 | timeless_mbp | andre__: more bugs for you :) |
| 17:11.28 | lcuk | bitrot is the cause of lots of heartache |
| 17:11.50 | lardman | true, but the code works and the standard is very very old so won't be chaning |
| 17:11.51 | lardman | changing |
| 17:12.00 | lcuk | deffo |
| 17:12.28 | lcuk | i really like the idea of taking a 5mp photo of a load of things and identifying all barcodes present |
| 17:12.29 | lcuk | :$ |
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| 17:13.27 | lardman | me too, and now I also have some time to get stuff done : |
| 17:15.10 | GeneralAntilles | Apple loser wont call me back. |
| 17:15.26 | lardman | you still not got your machine sorted out? |
| 17:15.43 | GeneralAntilles | The case has rust all over it. |
| 17:15.46 | GeneralAntilles | So it was "repaired" |
| 17:15.59 | lardman | tut tut, having a processor that requires water cooling ;) |
| 17:16.23 | GeneralAntilles | Well, if I can get a new machine out of it I'd say it was a pretty good purchase. ;) |
| 17:16.31 | lardman | :) |
| 17:16.34 | GeneralAntilles | My time is relatively inexpensive next to the cost of a new Mac Pro. |
| 17:16.59 | GeneralAntilles | Anyway, off to the autoparts store to bludgeon my hateful Camry into submission. |
| 17:17.21 | lardman | lol |
| 17:17.30 | lardman | good luck |
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| 17:18.52 | derf | lardman: Anyway, I've mailed the zbar developer. |
| 17:18.56 | derf | We'll see what he says. |
| 17:19.01 | lardman | cool |
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| 17:54.29 | GeneralAntilles | Bleh, guy's on a training seminar. Talking to somebody else. |
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| 17:54.57 | GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? |
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| 18:14.12 | lopz | hi ;) |
| 18:18.08 | andre__ | GeneralAntilles, cleaning up my stuff right now and resetting testzilla |
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| 18:28.36 | timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: so, the local apple like store replaced the ram on my mbp |
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| 18:30.44 | timeless_mbp | so,... anyone here familiar w/ vpnc? |
| 18:31.59 | timeless_mbp | hrm.... how does one actually use vpnc? |
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| 18:32.35 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 18:32.37 | timeless_mbp | so um... |
| 18:32.48 | timeless_mbp | NM so doesn't work for VPN stuff on Mer |
| 18:33.44 | Stskeeps | is the -vpnc module installed? |
| 18:34.08 | Stskeeps | okay, virtualbox can pull a bit more i/o than i anticipated |
| 18:34.13 | Stskeeps | 30mb/s |
| 18:34.37 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you need some tuition on lump-hammer weilding? ;) |
| 18:35.24 | timeless_mbp | what -vpnc thing? |
| 18:35.29 | timeless_mbp | i have 'vpnc' installed |
| 18:35.33 | Stskeeps | there's a network-manager-vpnc thing .. sec |
| 18:35.46 | timeless_mbp | well, there is a vpn tab in nm |
| 18:35.54 | timeless_mbp | which so doesn't fit in 800x480 |
| 18:36.04 | Stskeeps | apt-get install network-manager-vpnc |
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| 18:37.15 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, worst part about warranty repairs is that it's all stuff I could do myself. |
| 18:37.32 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, fog lights keep blowing the fuse |
| 18:37.34 | timeless_mbp | i was pretty amazed w/ the service here |
| 18:37.36 | GeneralAntilles | Fuse holder melted this last time |
| 18:37.42 | timeless_mbp | they replied, gave me an address which i pass every day |
| 18:37.44 | GeneralAntilles | and the right rear window is stuck. |
| 18:37.58 | timeless_mbp | i went past it, to the store i recognized, they walked me around the corner |
| 18:38.00 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: you get fog in Florida!? |
| 18:38.04 | GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, I gotta drive 30 minutes to a mall out in Tampa. |
| 18:38.05 | timeless_mbp | i left my laptop there, walked home and got my badge |
| 18:38.10 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, often enough |
| 18:38.15 | timeless_mbp | and walked back to the store... the guy was just about done :) |
| 18:38.16 | lardman | fair enough |
| 18:38.17 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, but I leave them on all the time, really. |
| 18:38.19 | timeless_mbp | then i walked back to work :) |
| 18:38.35 | lardman | along with the blue strip lights underneath? ;) |
| 18:38.48 | lardman | ducks |
| 18:38.50 | GeneralAntilles | lardman, nice for illuminating the road on the sides and directly in front |
| 18:38.59 | GeneralAntilles | OEM fog lights. ;) |
| 18:39.04 | lardman | illegal in the uk, but people still do it |
| 18:40.28 | lardman | heads off to write thank-you letters |
| 18:41.11 | GeneralAntilles | My front end looks mostly like: http://www.toyotanation.com/photos/data/523/medium/01_05_Camry_SE_V6.jpg |
| 18:41.15 | GeneralAntilles | Except the US version |
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| 19:06.49 | xnt14 | is away: I'll Be Back |
| 19:07.13 | xnt14 | is away: gaming |
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| 19:41.11 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: I thought you were going to show a picture of something that had already seen a lump-hammer :) |
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| 19:54.19 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:56.15 | stskeeps | wb |
| 19:57.01 | RST38h | mhm |
| 19:57.32 | qwerty12_N810 | hi johnsq, RST38h |
| 19:59.17 | RST38h | This has to be a common faq: Why doesn't Ikea sell coffins? |
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| 19:59.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Most wouldn't like the idea of assembling it =) |
| 20:00.28 | RST38h | Depends on the intended occupant... |
| 20:01.03 | RST38h | Oh shit somebody already thought about it: http://home.arcor.de/edwink/anzeigen/coffin.jpg |
| 20:02.18 | qwerty12_N810 | Tesco Value coffin or nothing |
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| 20:04.33 | johnsq | Does the n810 have good audio input? on the laptop learning IR works. |
| 20:08.06 | timelys | John, iirc the n800/n810 have an audio jack |
| 20:09.00 | timelys | For a headset |
| 20:11.00 | johnsq | timelys: I'm must check. how it works. |
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| 20:41.07 | arp | does anyone know where to download ubuntu_9.04_n8x0-2.2_rootfs.tgz |
| 20:41.21 | arp | maemobox.org seems to be down :/ |
| 20:43.06 | stskeeps | maemobox.org is permanently down |
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| 20:43.57 | arp | is there any other place to download the jaunty rootfs? |
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| 20:44.16 | lbt | arp: any reason you want raw ubuntu? |
| 20:45.01 | stskeeps | beyond masochism ;) |
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| 20:45.54 | arp | i want to see how jaunty works on the n810 device |
| 20:45.56 | lbt | arp: I ask since Mer is a sane version of ubuntu for the N8x0 |
| 20:46.23 | arp | i read somewhere that Mer was a litle slow? |
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| 20:47.03 | lbt | it's certainly not finished yet... but it uses much of the ubuntu code |
| 20:47.28 | lbt | so you'll be even slower running raw ubuntu |
| 20:48.14 | Stskeeps | slow? :P it's pure X deception :P |
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| 20:49.02 | arp | if i'm unhappy with jaunty i'll try mer or some other dist |
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| 20:54.23 | johnsq | slow processors and small screen for developers and every thing works fine without patching. |
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| 20:58.26 | RST38h | Sts: They swept that Sapwood bug under the carpet |
| 20:58.32 | RST38h | Can you believe this? |
| 20:59.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: we're happy at the moment, it's one of our own detals |
| 20:59.07 | Stskeeps | deltas |
| 20:59.11 | Stskeeps | only |
| 20:59.16 | Stskeeps | (it works perfectly) |
| 20:59.31 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: you're not surprised, right? :) |
| 20:59.43 | RST38h | not really |
| 20:59.57 | qwerty12_N810 | Thought so ;) |
| 21:00.18 | RST38h | I will bitch about that though, it is getting ridiculous |
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| 21:01.16 | Stskeeps | RST38h: well it's a matter of prioritising stuff i guess |
| 21:02.16 | Stskeeps | besides that, it's not marked WONTFIX, it will just be looked at later |
| 21:02.31 | RST38h | Sts: this is minor stuff which is already debugged and FIXED for them |
| 21:02.37 | RST38h | they just need to apply a minor fix |
| 21:03.09 | RST38h | Justifying why they do not want to fix it probably took longer time than fixing it would |
| 21:03.31 | Stskeeps | RST38h: we should make a semantic proof of it :P |
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| 21:04.22 | lardman | night all |
| 21:07.07 | RST38h | bitched. A few dozen of Terror pages and sleep now. |
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| 21:08.56 | lcuk | mad idea |
| 21:09.01 | lcuk | x11 in 256color greyscale |
| 21:09.09 | lcuk | natively supported by x11 itself |
| 21:09.09 | lcuk | ? |
| 21:09.15 | Stskeeps | i would assume so? :P |
| 21:09.25 | RST38h | lcuk: yea, why not? |
| 21:09.34 | RST38h | Will look like NeXTstep too |
| 21:09.37 | lcuk | half way house to super speed graphics is all |
| 21:09.42 | johnsq | lcuk: the x11 terminals was black/white |
| 21:10.43 | lcuk | so its theoretically feasible to switch the omap driver into YUV mode at the low end, and feed it x11 data as greyscale directly |
| 21:10.50 | RST38h | johnsq: that is 2bpp though |
| 21:10.50 | lcuk | with essentially minor modifications |
| 21:10.59 | lcuk | but a massive boost in render speed |
| 21:11.20 | RST38h | do you really need another boost? |
| 21:11.25 | lcuk | not for me |
| 21:11.28 | RST38h | ah |
| 21:11.30 | lcuk | im happy and already in yuv |
| 21:11.46 | lcuk | its just a thought |
| 21:11.47 | johnsq | RST38h: the good one was 8bpp |
| 21:11.57 | lcuk | i was stood outside in the sun today and my screen turned greyscale anyway |
| 21:12.13 | RST38h | johnsq: totally different display though |
| 21:12.25 | lcuk | 8bpp is optimal for this device |
| 21:12.28 | RST38h | johnsq: 8bpp grayscale != black/white |
| 21:12.31 | lcuk | you cant send a single bitplane down |
| 21:12.41 | lcuk | 256grey :) |
| 21:12.52 | johnsq | lcuk: more important is hardware blitting and 2d function support. |
| 21:13.07 | lcuk | and i also started thinking about it for the opengl stuff |
| 21:13.14 | lcuk | johnsq, and x11 itself gives it |
| 21:13.17 | lcuk | this device isnt slow |
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| 21:13.39 | lcuk | but it feels it when its rendering layer after layer of fullcolor data |
| 21:13.40 | RST38h | <sleep> |
| 21:13.45 | johnsq | lcuk: yes but you must write the lowlevel function in the driver. |
| 21:13.54 | lcuk | already technically exists |
| 21:14.00 | lcuk | xvideo YUV mode |
| 21:14.02 | lcuk | i use it |
| 21:14.16 | lcuk | the hardware supports it, the driver supports enabling it in the driver, might need shunting around |
| 21:14.20 | lcuk | but feasible |
| 21:15.30 | lcuk | move to greyscale, and you just made 3d software equations 3x faster too |
| 21:16.06 | lcuk | errrjust a thought anyway |
| 21:16.11 | lcuk | hibernates again |
| 21:16.22 | pupnik_ | like that 3d voxel demo i ported |
| 21:16.31 | pupnik_ | and improved |
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| 21:16.41 | pupnik_ | cheers lcuk |
| 21:17.09 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:18.08 | lcuk | does it do paletted 256color too? |
| 21:18.24 | lcuk | really goes this time |
| 21:20.12 | lcuk | btw yes pupnik_ just like that, you optimized the hell out of it and was the first none movie app that looked fast on this device :) |
| 21:20.14 | johnsq | lcuk: x11? yes but 256 color apps are a pain. |
| 21:20.28 | lcuk | for who, the developer or for the driver? |
| 21:21.04 | johnsq | lcuk: for the developer, I think most modern apps will fail. |
| 21:21.19 | lcuk | yeah point taken |
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| 21:34.01 | Davide | anyone have cpp / g++ working |
| 21:34.16 | Davide | on tablet |
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| 21:34.51 | Davide | i get incompatible package when tryimg to install |
| 21:35.05 | Davide | :( |
| 21:35.43 | lcuk | yeah Davide |
| 21:35.55 | lcuk | clean tablet, setup the sdk repositories (same as scratchbox uses) |
| 21:36.03 | lcuk | install build-essential i believe |
| 21:36.24 | Davide | so I have to flash? |
| 21:36.27 | Davide | :( |
| 21:36.41 | lcuk | no, but you need lots of space for the other stuff you need ;) |
| 21:36.58 | lcuk | its no good havin a compiler and no stdlib or headers to compile against or -dev libs etc ;) |
| 21:36.59 | Davide | well I'm running off of the external card |
| 21:37.11 | Davide | I have space |
| 21:37.18 | lcuk | then clear off your repositories and try again |
| 21:37.24 | lcuk | not from app man tho |
| 21:37.26 | Davide | whats the repository exactly? |
| 21:37.58 | Davide | is it repository.maemo.org |
| 21:37.59 | Davide | ? |
| 21:38.05 | lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/sdk free non-free |
| 21:38.06 | lcuk | deb http://repository.maemo.org diablo/tools free non-free |
| 21:39.13 | lcuk | i initially went through and installed everything individually and know it works, i even started to make the new liqbase framework in it, i just got frustrated with how slow it was |
| 21:39.17 | lcuk | so reverted back to c :) |
| 21:40.07 | Davide | well I just want a C/C++ compiler I'm taking an intro class and would like to compile and write simple C console programs |
| 21:40.31 | lcuk | Davide, you will find great difficulty getting a working "./configure" and dpkg-buildpackage at the other end (as well as hassles with "make install" - the "install" script blows) |
| 21:40.31 | Davide | having trouble getting all this to work |
| 21:40.36 | lcuk | but actual compilation is fine |
| 21:40.54 | Davide | well compile and run the prog in console? |
| 21:40.57 | Davide | or cant run it? |
| 21:41.09 | lcuk | i compile and run now |
| 21:41.11 | lcuk | using gcc |
| 21:41.15 | lcuk | but targeting c |
| 21:41.20 | lcuk | it was the same process with c++ |
| 21:41.23 | lcuk | but slower |
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| 21:41.27 | Davide | ok |
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| 21:43.32 | Davide | lcuk should they actually show up in the App manager? gcc-3.4? |
| 21:43.46 | lcuk | i dunno, but i doubt it |
| 21:44.00 | lcuk | you don't expect your mum to install gcc.. ;) |
| 21:44.18 | Davide | so I entered those 2 repositories.. and in app manager I get "failed to refresh" |
| 21:44.19 | lcuk | (or maybe you do) |
| 21:44.35 | Davide | entered for components: "sdk free non-free" |
| 21:44.44 | Davide | and "tools free non-free" |
| 21:45.13 | lcuk | i dunno from the app manager |
| 21:45.18 | lcuk | i tend to stay away from it |
| 21:45.22 | Davide | ok well how bout from console? |
| 21:45.38 | lcuk | i tend to stay away from that as well if i can help it, i edit |
| 21:45.38 | Davide | sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4? |
| 21:45.42 | Davide | oh |
| 21:45.45 | Davide | then how? |
| 21:45.48 | lcuk | /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list |
| 21:45.55 | lcuk | and put those lines in there :$ |
| 21:46.06 | johnsq | Davide: start terminal. apt-get and apt-cache are your friends. |
| 21:46.13 | lcuk | windows tree based scp file manager ftw! |
| 21:46.25 | Davide | lcuk I"m sorta new at linux |
| 21:46.36 | lcuk | don't worry, im the eternal n00b |
| 21:46.43 | Davide | johnsq I get errors from apt-get |
| 21:46.58 | Davide | I dont know how to get the repositories straight... |
| 21:47.12 | Davide | I browesd in microb to http://repository.maemo.org |
| 21:47.13 | lcuk | Davide, if you have trouble with linux this *is* gonna be a major uphill struggle |
| 21:47.16 | Davide | and browsed over to gcc etc... |
| 21:47.29 | Davide | and when I try to install them it opens app manager and then says incompatible package |
| 21:48.07 | lcuk | on the info page before you install it has a tab showing dependencies i believe |
| 21:48.25 | Davide | ah |
| 21:48.36 | lcuk | and listing the specific problems, but you have probably got a mix of clean and unclean repositories listed |
| 21:48.52 | lcuk | for it to even show gcc - especially when you dont appear to have the sdk repos there |
| 21:49.01 | Davide | nope it just says Unable to install ccp-3.4 Incompatible application package |
| 21:49.23 | Davide | so frustrating |
| 21:49.30 | lcuk | the default maemo repositories dont list gcc by default |
| 21:49.31 | johnsq | Davide: have you a separate computer? |
| 21:49.36 | Davide | yes |
| 21:49.39 | Davide | talking from it |
| 21:49.42 | Davide | its windows tho |
| 21:49.43 | Davide | :P |
| 21:49.49 | lcuk | putty and winscp |
| 21:49.55 | Davide | ? |
| 21:50.03 | Davide | whats that? |
| 21:50.05 | johnsq | Davide: first install openssh and log over network in the device, much quicker working, |
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| 21:50.10 | lcuk | 2 apps which you can use from windows to talk directly to your tablet |
| 21:50.31 | lcuk | and open a console session and run commands from your windows keyboard but running on your tablet |
| 21:50.43 | Davide | ok openssh is installed but idk how to use it johnsq |
| 21:50.52 | Davide | how do I work it? |
| 21:50.55 | lcuk | when it installed, it asked for a password |
| 21:50.59 | lcuk | i hope you remembered it |
| 21:51.07 | Davide | pfft idk |
| 21:51.13 | Davide | =/ |
| 21:51.14 | lcuk | you need to find the ip address/hostname of the tablet |
| 21:51.17 | Davide | can I uninstall and reinstall? |
| 21:51.31 | lcuk | i dunno, theres a page somewhere that can tell you how to change it |
| 21:51.44 | Davide | how do I get ip address/hostname |
| 21:51.48 | johnsq | Davide: then you need openssh on your machine under linux, putty on windows. |
| 21:51.59 | Davide | so dl putty? |
| 21:52.04 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:52.33 | lcuk | running putty asks for a hostname, username and password |
| 21:52.38 | Davide | ok putty installed |
| 21:52.40 | johnsq | Davide: you can gainroot on the device and type ifconfig this should show your ip |
| 21:53.08 | johnsq | Davide: perhaps also over the connection manager. |
| 21:54.08 | lcuk | if you have super norton antivirus total motherhen care on windows i think it includes a newwork auditor :) |
| 21:54.19 | lcuk | t |
| 21:55.21 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH |
| 21:55.29 | Davide | hmm trying to connect |
| 21:55.33 | Davide | idk if I have the right ip tho |
| 21:55.53 | qwerty12_N810 | you don't have a netgear router btw? |
| 21:56.10 | Davide | linksys |
| 21:56.26 | Davide | I have mcafee and avast |
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| 21:56.40 | qwerty12_N810 | good, netgear suck wrt tablets :) |
| 21:57.28 | Davide | how do I find out the correct ip? |
| 21:57.30 | Davide | of my tablet? |
| 21:57.49 | Davide | there's a inet addr: |
| 21:57.56 | Davide | a P-t-P: |
| 21:57.58 | Davide | and mask: |
| 21:58.17 | johnsq | Davide: inet addr:192.168.1.xxx is it |
| 21:58.27 | Davide | there are two |
| 21:58.33 | Davide | one in the beginning and one at the end |
| 21:58.36 | Davide | none of em are like that |
| 21:58.46 | lcuk | read em out |
| 21:58.46 | Davide | one is 127.0.0/ |
| 21:58.54 | lcuk | localhost, other? |
| 21:58.59 | Davide | and one is 10.178. |
| 21:58.59 | johnsq | Davide: wlan0 if you use wireless |
| 21:59.30 | lcuk | ok, try entering the 10.178... into putty with "root" and your password |
| 21:59.37 | lcuk | the one you entered when installing openssh |
| 22:00.01 | Davide | what does that mean with root and password? it doesnt ask me anywhere for root or password |
| 22:00.11 | lcuk | username and password |
| 22:00.25 | lcuk | should be fields on connection i expect |
| 22:01.20 | johnsq | Davide: putty under windows |
| 22:01.26 | Davide | well eitherway I dont have a username or password |
| 22:01.30 | Davide | not sure what that should be |
| 22:01.31 | Davide | =/ |
| 22:01.55 | lcuk | ahhh lol |
| 22:01.58 | lcuk | tis ok |
| 22:02.01 | lcuk | just enter the server |
| 22:02.07 | lcuk | once you connect you login |
| 22:02.13 | lcuk | there is an entry deeper in settings |
| 22:02.18 | lcuk | for auto passing one |
| 22:02.23 | Davide | ya but I get network error... |
| 22:02.29 | Davide | I cant just do this straight from the tablet? |
| 22:02.33 | lcuk | openssh-server installed? |
| 22:02.48 | Davide | yup on tablet |
| 22:02.52 | Davide | server and client installed |
| 22:03.31 | lcuk | whats the connection type set to on putty |
| 22:03.50 | Davide | should it bring up a console once it connects? |
| 22:03.57 | lcuk | yes |
| 22:04.16 | lcuk | saying "login as:" |
| 22:04.33 | Davide | nope not working I just get Network error |
| 22:05.01 | johnsq | Davide: windows firewall ? router firewall? |
| 22:05.15 | lcuk | the tablet is just another machine on the network, confirm its pingable and stuff using normal windows stuff |
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| 22:05.49 | Davide | ping -> request timed out |
| 22:06.02 | Davide | not seeing it |
| 22:06.03 | lcuk | solve that and a cascade will happen :) |
| 22:06.04 | Davide | 100% loss |
| 22:06.12 | Davide | well how do I solve that? |
| 22:06.14 | lcuk | read back over this lot we posted when you connect to the device |
| 22:06.31 | Davide | I've never been able to see the tablet from my comp |
| 22:06.35 | Davide | not sure how that can be done... |
| 22:07.06 | Davide | anyway why can't I just operate from the terminal in the tablet? |
| 22:07.14 | Davide | for whatever is required? |
| 22:07.34 | lcuk | Davide, we can willingly guide you and can help make life simpler but we wont do everything |
| 22:07.46 | johnsq | Davide: just better working on computer with cut&paste to the nit. |
| 22:07.50 | lcuk | because its easier on real keyboar |
| 22:07.55 | lcuk | cos you can just copy paste stuff |
| 22:08.01 | lcuk | and you can just edit files and stuff |
| 22:08.19 | Davide | gotcha... well I have no idea how to make the nit visible |
| 22:08.22 | Davide | idk where to start |
| 22:08.23 | lcuk | doing on device compilation and dev work is a hard task on its own |
| 22:08.32 | lcuk | doing it all from a tiny keyboard is just tortuous |
| 22:09.23 | Davide | yeah I agree |
| 22:09.47 | Davide | well any idea how to get my comp to see the tablet? |
| 22:10.01 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:10.36 | lcuk | check your firewall settings and your router |
| 22:10.40 | lcuk | and make sure you have the right ip |
| 22:11.40 | lcuk | then work backwards lol, because i think we told you everything you need to know to get gcc on your device! |
| 22:12.27 | Davide | there should be a way to find what devices are connected to the router right? |
| 22:12.39 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: don't suggest hildon-application-manager.list |
| 22:12.43 | timeless_mbp | that file is owned by ham |
| 22:12.51 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.05 | timeless_mbp | just name things diablo-sdk.list, diablo-tools.list, etc. |
| 22:13.40 | lcuk | but are they listed in HAM when i open it later? |
| 22:13.43 | lcuk | and discovered by it? |
| 22:13.48 | lcuk | and disablable by it?> |
| 22:14.21 | lcuk | or are they for apt only? |
| 22:14.22 | timeless_mbp | ham will show them |
| 22:14.23 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk: they'll get removed |
| 22:14.31 | timeless_mbp | and use them |
| 22:14.36 | Davide | damn cant find a list of connected devices... |
| 22:14.42 | qwerty12_N810 | if you add them to ham's file i mean |
| 22:14.47 | Davide | I just have a mac list that use to only allow some devices but it doesnt give ip |
| 22:14.48 | lcuk | how long after do they get eaten? |
| 22:15.02 | timeless_mbp | quiting ham or changing something in ham should get them eaten |
| 22:15.10 | timeless_mbp | it's a write only file from ham's perspective |
| 22:15.35 | lcuk | it reads them in :$ |
| 22:15.49 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, ham can't disable things that it doesn't own |
| 22:16.04 | lcuk | i always thought s long as it was formatted correctly and ham wasnt running.. |
| 22:16.22 | lcuk | just like any other /etc file |
| 22:16.25 | lcuk | (most) |
| 22:16.29 | timeless_mbp | kinda |
| 22:16.36 | timeless_mbp | but ham's native format is an xml file elsewhere |
| 22:16.37 | Davide | is there another command to check the IP maybe I just dont have the right one |
| 22:16.44 | Davide | shouldnt it be a 192.168.1.X? |
| 22:16.50 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.00 | qwerty12_N810 | /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 |
| 22:17.39 | johnsq | Davide: depends on the router. 10.xx.xx.xx or 172.xx.xx.xx |
| 22:18.06 | lcuk | timeless, didnt realise that, i thought HAM just looked at apt's stuff and worked with what it had |
| 22:18.12 | lcuk | shall try to remember that |
| 22:18.16 | Davide | router says 192.168.1.1 |
| 22:18.18 | Davide | or whatever |
| 22:18.23 | Davide | but idk if its different for wireless |
| 22:18.29 | lcuk | Davide, whats your windows computer ip? |
| 22:18.31 | Davide | is it the same for wired/wireless? |
| 22:18.51 | Davide | 192.168.1.136 |
| 22:19.05 | lcuk | is that fixed or auto set |
| 22:19.25 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: should liqbase-playground work on Mer? |
| 22:19.26 | Davide | uhm... idk |
| 22:19.55 | Davide | auto I guess |
| 22:19.57 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, theres an issue with the graphics driver that it wont do xv yet |
| 22:20.01 | Davide | Automatic Configuration - DHCP |
| 22:20.02 | lcuk | but technically it should |
| 22:20.08 | lcuk | it should run on pretty much anything |
| 22:20.36 | lcuk | have you played yet? |
| 22:21.00 | timeless_mbp | it says app.username = user |
| 22:21.02 | timeless_mbp | which is wrong :) |
| 22:21.33 | lcuk | it picks up ~ correctly, but yeah when no username exists it comes up like that by default |
| 22:22.10 | lcuk | im havign a few technical troubles with keyboard input at this moment so i cant ask for one |
| 22:22.15 | lcuk | like i did in original liqbase |
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| 22:23.11 | timeless_mbp | but i don't know my password :) |
| 22:23.25 | lcuk | what password? |
| 22:23.30 | timeless_mbp | for sudo :) |
| 22:23.32 | lcuk | is editing liqkeyboard.c atm |
| 22:23.52 | lcuk | sudoers should have added those as passwordless i think |
| 22:24.11 | lcuk | did it run anyway |
| 22:24.18 | lcuk | instead of teasing me with log flaws :P |
| 22:24.21 | qwerty12_N810 | no, only for the user 'user' ;) |
| 22:24.28 | lcuk | :D hah |
| 22:25.18 | lcuk | which version have you installed timeless |
| 22:25.23 | lcuk | 0.3.12 ? |
| 22:25.33 | lcuk | or an earlier triply broked one |
| 22:25.46 | timeless_mbp | libliqbase1 0.3.11 |
| 22:25.53 | timeless_mbp | liqbase-playground 0.3.12 |
| 22:25.57 | lcuk | on mer? |
| 22:26.00 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 22:26.07 | timeless_mbp | intel/vbox |
| 22:26.14 | lcuk | :D did you make it yourself or is it through obs already |
| 22:26.48 | lcuk | ive never managed to run liqbase on a vm |
| 22:27.00 | lcuk | it was born native, and lives native :) |
| 22:27.41 | timeless_mbp | fremantle/free |
| 22:28.02 | lcuk | yeah i passed it through all 3 builders |
| 22:28.09 | lcuk | ive had reports it works on all :) |
| 22:28.19 | lcuk | theres even an extra thing for people with fremantle |
| 22:28.42 | qwerty12_N810 | what is liqaccelview? :) |
| 22:28.55 | lcuk | <lcuk> theres even an extra thing for people with fremantle |
| 22:29.14 | qwerty12_N810 | I see, it's like that :P |
| 22:29.15 | lcuk | quim posted some details a while ago about the accelerometer |
| 22:29.17 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 22:29.21 | lcuk | i made a live updating graph for it |
| 22:29.41 | timeless_mbp | the "pool" package has bad dependencies |
| 22:29.58 | lcuk | showing x,y,z got from the /sys or wherever branch |
| 22:30.28 | lcuk | i originally wrote it to use it with sampppas heartrate monitor |
| 22:30.36 | lcuk | errr the one ecoach plugs into |
| 22:35.05 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, "pool" package, is that something im doing, or just something you noticed in general |
| 22:35.19 | timeless_mbp | unrelated to you |
| 22:35.36 | lcuk | k :) you dont know how relieved i am to know that ;) |
| 22:35.43 | timeless_mbp | Joni Kokko's pool game |
| 22:35.57 | timeless_mbp | it might be that the python-hildon package i pulled in isn't working |
| 22:35.59 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
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| 23:30.08 | ipndrmath | Does anyone know why the labs and themes do not work for gmail on the N810? |
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| 23:32.05 | ipndrmath | Opps. Disconnected. Back. |
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| 23:36.35 | ipndrmath | Anyone have any idea where else I could ask less the forums? |
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| 23:59.24 | coldboot | ipndrmath: Nobody's going to know, I'd guess. |
| 23:59.54 | jophish | Does anybody here use navit? |
