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| 01:07.53 | b-man16 | ~seen xnt14 |
| 01:09.04 | infobot | xnt14 is currently on #maemo (10h 44m 42s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 2h 42m 22s, last said: 'hes late'. |
| 01:09.23 | b-man16 | lol |
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| 02:05.35 | prak | should the gps working seamlessly with maemo mapper when the operating system is updated on the n810? |
| 02:07.52 | Toba | I did an update to the latest and maemo mapper started working |
| 02:08.08 | Toba | remember to backup your stuff first, just in caseb |
| 02:08.10 | prak | i keep on having errors getting gps data |
| 02:08.15 | Toba | weird |
| 02:08.17 | prak | it never worked for my n810 |
| 02:08.17 | Toba | didn't happen to me |
| 02:08.42 | prak | ok |
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| 02:14.33 | Luke-Jr_ | GPS hasn't worked all week for me period |
| 02:14.40 | Luke-Jr_ | maybe something with sattelites? |
| 02:34.29 | milhouse | Luke-Jr: See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2878 and https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3851, specifically bug 3851 comment #9 - you might have stale GPS data |
| 02:35.20 | milhouse | GPS is very buggy in N810/Diablo, and isn't going to be fixed (at least not by Nokia). :( |
| 02:46.53 | Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: I know that better than anymore. |
| 02:47.16 | Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: Stskeeps has volunteered to get a Nokia employee drunk for this cause. |
| 02:47.41 | Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: anyhow, I don't think I can have stale data, as I have no data at all |
| 02:47.48 | milhouse | Excellent, even when drunk the quality of coding can't be any worse than what has been released so far... ;-) |
| 02:48.33 | Luke-Jr_ | ;) |
| 02:48.47 | Luke-Jr_ | milhouse: my gpsdriver lacks persistent storage, afaik |
| 02:49.11 | Luke-Jr_ | it could be related to 2.6.30 kernel, but I *think* I have worked around the problems introduced by that |
| 02:50.57 | Luke-Jr_ | ooh, didn't know about /var/lib/gps/ |
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| 04:32.33 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 05:00.53 | RST38h | CIA seeks laid-off bankers in N.Y. recruitment drive eeek |
| 05:01.02 | Pavlov | heh |
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| 05:05.18 | johnx | mornin' |
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| 05:10.07 | RST38h | moo johnx |
| 05:10.36 | johnx | m00f |
| 05:10.43 | RST38h | finally somebody noticed: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3826171/Does-Anyone-Want-a-New-Linux-Desktop.htm |
| 05:12.33 | johnx | I asked a variation of this on LUG mailing list 10 years ago. It turns out there isn't actually one leader of all Linux that tells people what to do |
| 05:12.36 | johnx | I was shocked too |
| 05:14.52 | johnx | I like that part: "...the free software community needs to consider..." |
| 05:15.51 | johnx | "Hey you random lot of people doing Z! I wish you would do Y instead." |
| 05:16.02 | RST38h | That too, but the course toward more convoluted features nobody needs cannot be denied |
| 05:16.36 | RST38h | still can't figure out who will need that "kde social desktop" stuff |
| 05:16.37 | johnx | Also: if we asked users what their ideal desktop was back in the TWM days we'd be using TWM with user-selectable colors in the title bars |
| 05:16.53 | RST38h | johnx: Yes, please =) |
| 05:17.09 | johnx | I think we just agreed to disagree :> |
| 05:17.24 | RST38h | I do think most people just want Windows though |
| 05:17.34 | johnx | because that's what they use |
| 05:17.41 | RST38h | Yep |
| 05:17.49 | johnx | if you'll notice, it's not just that they want windows, it's that they want windows xp :D |
| 05:18.01 | RST38h | More or less, yes |
| 05:18.05 | johnx | people resist change |
| 05:18.11 | RST38h | Although I guess there is some flexibility there |
| 05:18.34 | johnx | MS extended XP licensing through 2011 |
| 05:18.48 | RST38h | People probably woulldn't mind a bit different window decorations, slightly different task bar, etc |
| 05:19.09 | RST38h | But unloading artificial crap like "social desktop" on them is kinda excessive |
| 05:19.46 | Macer | johnx: lol |
| 05:20.07 | Macer | i figured by now the marketing nazis would have released xp under a different name |
| 05:20.27 | Macer | like Windows Lite eXtreme |
| 05:20.40 | johnx | eh, if you don't constantly throw new things at users to see what sticks then yeah, we'll avoid 9 dead ends and 1 totally new paradigm |
| 05:21.03 | johnx | sorry, couldn't think of the non-bullshit word for paradigm |
| 05:21.26 | Macer | johnx: that wouldnt allow them to sell a "major upgrade" |
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| 05:22.05 | Macer | snow leopard will cost like $30 because it is worthless |
| 05:22.26 | johnx | eh, I'll probably expense it for my work laptop |
| 05:22.37 | johnx | looks like it has one or two nice tweaks |
| 05:22.54 | Macer | it is a leopard update that they are pawning off as being "new" |
| 05:23.16 | Macer | the major thing it was supposed to have was pulled |
| 05:23.47 | johnx | there was something about window management I saw and kinda liked, but yeah, I forgot what it was now |
| 05:23.48 | Macer | :) dropping the hfs+ garbage and use zfs |
| 05:24.06 | Macer | but that fell through |
| 05:24.11 | johnx | meh |
| 05:24.20 | johnx | hfs+ seems solid enough on the desktop |
| 05:24.31 | Macer | well |
| 05:24.38 | Macer | it sucks |
| 05:24.40 | Macer | heh |
| 05:24.53 | Macer | not to mention it forks across network shares |
| 05:25.08 | Macer | and there is no way to stop it from doing it |
| 05:25.11 | johnx | from an architecture PoV it's skeery as hell, but it doesn't really seem to affect how people use their computers |
| 05:25.41 | johnx | is firmly a Mac user, couldn't care less about the backend stuff |
| 05:26.00 | johnx | it's a black box to me :) as long as it works for me+my users I'm happy |
| 05:26.01 | RST38h | could not figure out what to do with MacOSX. Had to resort to the terminal. |
| 05:26.31 | johnx | heh. right now my mac os x and linux desktops only differ in where I shove the dock-like thing |
| 05:26.58 | Macer | i want to install opensolaris on my mb |
| 05:27.03 | Macer | and get rid of osx |
| 05:27.04 | johnx | and that linux handles compositing in a more uniform manner |
| 05:27.16 | johnx | (vs mac os) |
| 05:27.18 | Macer | the forking just drives me up the wall |
| 05:27.45 | RST38h | anyways, time to go to work |
| 05:27.48 | Macer | johnx: the typical mac user will say "that stuff isnt necessary" |
| 05:27.50 | johnx | have fun RST38h :) |
| 05:28.00 | Macer | like a desktop cube |
| 05:28.02 | Macer | lol |
| 05:28.27 | Macer | what a comp out |
| 05:28.30 | johnx | Macer, still have mac os x installed? close firefox (if open), click the firefox icon, switch to spaces before it launches |
| 05:28.34 | RST38h | is burdened with management duties for the next 2 weeks. Can't get late. |
| 05:28.34 | johnx | what happens? |
| 05:29.00 | johnx | RST38h, ugh, best of luck. but make sure you don't do too good of a job or they'll promote you |
| 05:29.26 | Macer | lol! |
| 05:29.31 | RST38h | johnx: have to make sure I buy some vaseline first... |
| 05:29.42 | RST38h | johnx: to make the experience less painful, you know... |
| 05:29.48 | johnx | RST38h, O_o; |
| 05:29.54 | johnx | Macer, yeah: doesn't handle compositing very well |
| 05:31.49 | Macer | why not? |
| 05:32.25 | johnx | I think it cheats somehow. the virtual desktops aren't as "real" as they are with compiz |
| 05:32.57 | johnx | but you saw the firefox window come up full size over the middle of the desktops, right? |
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| 05:52.41 | Macer | huh? |
| 05:53.18 | Macer | i have to try to get opensolaris on it |
| 05:53.30 | Macer | if the wifi can adhoc then i am a happy camper |
| 05:53.36 | johnx | ugh |
| 05:53.46 | johnx | ad-hoc wifi = pain no matter where you go |
| 05:53.57 | Macer | not in osx or win :) |
| 05:54.05 | Macer | i need it to tether my g1 |
| 05:54.17 | johnx | for me the answer was "yes" and "I wouldn't know" |
| 05:54.27 | Macer | in linux it is a pain |
| 05:54.39 | Macer | because the lack of proper wifi drivers |
| 05:54.40 | johnx | only place I ever saw it kinda work :) |
| 05:54.53 | johnx | the N8x0 isn't a very good example of linux wifi drivers though |
| 05:55.08 | Macer | linux on the macbook couldnt do it |
| 05:55.40 | Macer | because it had to use a wrapper |
| 05:55.42 | johnx | mac os x on a macbook wouldn't do it for me |
| 05:55.50 | Macer | wow serious? |
| 05:56.00 | Macer | on mine it just worked |
| 05:56.02 | johnx | yeah between two macbooks it was flakey as hell |
| 05:56.03 | Macer | :) |
| 05:56.14 | Macer | flawless really |
| 05:56.37 | Macer | good spped.. no disconnects... the mb + osx + g1 + adhoc = good |
| 05:56.49 | Macer | speed... wtf |
| 05:57.09 | Macer | i think i am having brain issues |
| 05:57.25 | Macer | i keep making awkward mistakes like that |
| 05:57.30 | Macer | ah well.. bbl |
| 05:58.21 | johnx | heh. I read it as speed when I saw it, then had to re-read when you corrected yourself |
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| 06:12.44 | thux | johnx: is it evening in your time zone now? |
| 06:12.53 | johnx | yup |
| 06:12.56 | johnx | but close to morning |
| 06:13.04 | thux | that late |
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| 06:16.11 | Luke-Jr_ | who wants to play Freeciv || glob2? |
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| 06:34.47 | Stskeeps | hehe, text2screen? |
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| 06:35.32 | slonopotamus | yep |
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| 07:33.19 | johnx | beat anyone with the management stick yet? |
| 07:36.55 | RST38h | johnx: not yet, but having an upper level bug review meeting in 20 minutes |
| 07:37.18 | johnx | fun fun |
| 07:39.48 | johnx | a *working* ARM chroot on an x86 machine still makes me grin like an idiot everytime I use it |
| 07:44.11 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 07:48.04 | RST38h | johnx: it is fragile like hell though |
| 07:49.19 | johnx | RST38h, which qemu are you using? |
| 07:49.37 | RST38h | johnx: any qemu I ever used was fragile |
| 07:50.05 | RST38h | especially liked qemu borking every time he tried opening a file requester |
| 07:50.22 | johnx | it's been working pretty well with obs/mer |
| 07:50.41 | RST38h | kinda useless with Maemo =( |
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| 07:51.15 | johnx | 'fraid so |
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| 09:24.30 | lbt | X-Fade: ping... |
| 09:24.37 | X-Fade | lbt: pong |
| 09:25.05 | lbt | hi... just wanted to chat about Mer hardware and garage autobuilder processes |
| 09:25.15 | lbt | should they be maemo.org tasks BTW? |
| 09:26.34 | lbt | oh and I meanr virtual hardware really :) |
| 09:26.39 | X-Fade | lbt: I talked to tekojo about it. |
| 09:27.25 | X-Fade | lbt: He agreed on the need etc, but had to see about budgets etc :) |
| 09:27.40 | lbt | sounds reasonable :) |
| 09:28.04 | lbt | what I'd like to do is get a task together to spec things out |
| 09:28.29 | lbt | provide a phase-able set of requirements from nothing to 4000 CPU build farm |
| 09:28.38 | lbt | OK, maybe less ;) |
| 09:28.55 | lbt | but so we can present a list with incremental benefits |
| 09:29.05 | lbt | and then match budget and priorities |
| 09:29.14 | X-Fade | Well, a task proposal in the wiki would help. |
| 09:29.33 | X-Fade | We can then pick that up as part of the sprints. |
| 09:29.34 | lbt | exactly.... I'm not sure how to go about this stuff |
| 09:29.50 | lbt | so... shall I sketch something up and then we can flesh it out? |
| 09:29.50 | X-Fade | Although when talking about budgetting, planning is a bit harder ;) |
| 09:30.01 | X-Fade | lbt: Sure, that would be great. |
| 09:30.11 | lbt | ideally I'd like to get a minimal vm.... |
| 09:30.27 | lbt | no real cpu or functionality |
| 09:30.49 | lbt | but somewhere we could use as a staging server |
| 09:31.25 | lbt | more about a few Gb of disk and shell access than eg building |
| 09:31.58 | lbt | I'm not expecting that to actually cost anything |
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| 09:32.52 | Stskeeps | there's no free lunch |
| 09:32.53 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 09:33.03 | lbt | insects |
| 09:33.11 | lbt | or fish ;) |
| 09:33.19 | lbt | and there's plenty of those in the sea |
| 09:33.39 | X-Fade | lbt: Well, each vm needs to managed, monitored, backup etc.. So there is a certain cost related to that ;) |
| 09:34.18 | X-Fade | lbt: But I'm sure it will be arranged. |
| 09:34.50 | lbt | true. I was trying to find something that has relatively small incremental cost and offers benefits |
| 09:35.20 | Stskeeps | either way a simple spec of our intended usage wouldn't be bad |
| 09:35.40 | lbt | I'm on the wiki already... |
| 09:36.22 | Stskeeps | hopefully i'll get qemu arm stuff working later this week |
| 09:36.30 | Stskeeps | so we don't have to use qemu-system-arm for building images |
| 09:36.49 | lbt | I have some real work to do too |
| 09:37.13 | lbt | but I will chase dl9pf to help him with the native-cross |
| 09:37.16 | Stskeeps | *nod* |
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| 09:46.33 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless: http://trac.tspre.org/qwerty12/el-weedio |
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| 09:47.35 | timelyN81 | Um |
| 09:48.35 | qwerty12_N810 | I happen to name folders with the first thing I can think of. |
| 09:48.58 | timelyN81 | Qwerty, did you see my complaints about debian package Description: lines? |
| 09:49.03 | qwerty12_N810 | But, anyway, your locale switcher with CPA is to be found there. |
| 09:49.14 | qwerty12_N810 | Yep, taken it into account. |
| 09:49.23 | timelyN81 | They shouldn't end with punctuation |
| 09:49.26 | timelyN81 | :-) |
| 09:49.34 | timelyN81 | Cool |
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| 09:52.08 | lardman | morning |
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| 09:52.36 | woglinde | hi lardman |
| 09:52.44 | woglinde | how is powervr stuff going? |
| 09:55.58 | lardman | woglinde: I've been away on honeymoon, so no further than before I went ;) |
| 09:56.50 | lardman | I've decoded something like 15 of the ~250 odd functions in the kernel module, but was holding off doing any more as I understand Ti/ImgTech are looking at releasing something official |
| 09:57.11 | Stskeeps | wazd: regarding jornada idea - htc http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/21/htc-athena-x7500-a-umtshsdpa-quad-band-UMPC/ |
| 09:57.19 | Jaffa | qgil has a COULD task in this sprint for having a plan with regards to the drivers |
| 09:57.31 | Stskeeps | they are working on it actively afaik |
| 09:57.36 | Stskeeps | we discussed it in cph |
| 09:57.36 | lardman | Jaffa: do you have a link to the wiki page please? |
| 09:57.53 | woglinde | lardman uh really? |
| 09:57.53 | Jaffa | lardman: 9.06-14 on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Sprints/June_09#Tasks |
| 09:57.58 | lardman | thanks |
| 09:59.15 | lardman | X-Fade: anyone worked out where my karma has leaked away to ? ;) |
| 09:59.45 | lardman | woglinde: uh bad or uh good? |
| 10:00.14 | woglinde | lardman I wouldnt believe that they are releasing source code |
| 10:00.14 | Stskeeps | lardman: your karma was divided with your wife at the time of marriage ;) |
| 10:00.22 | lardman | reversing it will be a pita, the kernel module is pretty basic, the functionality resides on the user side in a lib |
| 10:00.40 | lardman | woglinde: not source afaiu, but something binary-blob like I guess |
| 10:00.48 | woglinde | aeh |
| 10:00.49 | lardman | Stskeeps: well I'd have even less now then |
| 10:00.59 | woglinde | they already did for omap3 |
| 10:01.08 | woglinde | *scratches head* |
| 10:01.32 | Stskeeps | lardman: idea is open source kernel and closed library, AFAIK |
| 10:01.45 | lardman | fair enough |
| 10:01.46 | lcuk | waves |
| 10:02.03 | lardman | sounds fine, as long as it works :) |
| 10:02.03 | lardman | hi lcuk |
| 10:02.08 | woglinde | hi lcuk |
| 10:02.21 | lcuk | hi guys |
| 10:02.36 | lcuk | lardman, holly has half your karma now, remember oyu share everything |
| 10:02.49 | lardman | lol |
| 10:03.03 | lardman | I have 68 discussion karma, but have sent a few more emails than that |
| 10:03.19 | lardman | and she's not having my n810! |
| 10:03.24 | lardman | not even half! |
| 10:03.32 | lcuk | yeah but some were drunken rants complaining about lack of wine :P |
| 10:03.42 | lardman | true ;) |
| 10:03.49 | lcuk | heh, which half of n810 would you give her |
| 10:03.52 | lcuk | keyboard or screen |
| 10:04.08 | lardman | nah, left-hand side, the d-pad |
| 10:04.10 | lcuk | :D or she can have the gps |
| 10:04.44 | woglinde | hm wine on the n810? |
| 10:05.39 | glass | woglinde: remote desktop is more likely to be succesful route |
| 10:05.40 | lcuk | wine is not an emulator, so unless windows works for arm its not practical |
| 10:05.45 | lcuk | mmm pocket pc version.. |
| 10:06.01 | timelyN81 | If you can find an arm win32 binary... |
| 10:06.20 | timelyN81 | Windows did support arm |
| 10:06.41 | lcuk | i have n alpha testing package for the liqbase-playground that needs testing for blowinguppiness. |
| 10:06.43 | timelyN81 | The issue isn't windows, it's the lack of applications |
| 10:07.01 | lcuk | if someone could install these and tell me if its ok i would be most appreciative :$ |
| 10:07.02 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/libliqbase1_0.3.11_armel.deb |
| 10:07.02 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/up2/liqbase-playground_0.3.11_armel.deb |
| 10:07.06 | lardman | heads for a caffeine fix |
| 10:07.14 | lcuk | does too |
| 10:07.28 | lbt | orders coffee from wife |
| 10:07.31 | lcuk | the arm win bionary wouldnt help |
| 10:08.23 | lcuk | timelyN81, it has no . either, but i didnt change the other stuff yet |
| 10:08.29 | woglinde | glas??? i already ported nx and qtnx so what? |
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| 10:14.34 | glass | woglinde: well then you're a smart cookie |
| 10:15.04 | woglinde | glass its uploaded in the devel-extra |
| 10:16.37 | jukey | lcuk: installation still works fine |
| 10:16.47 | wazd | http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0906/18/843d0f1483c5.jpg <- more consistent ui |
| 10:18.54 | wazd | oh, wrong chanel :) whatever :) |
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| 10:21.49 | lcuk | jukey still? have you installed these before lol |
| 10:22.21 | jukey | not these :p |
| 10:23.04 | lcuk | :D well you have now, does it have an icon and can it be run from it |
| 10:23.24 | jukey | lcuk: yes and yes |
| 10:23.35 | lcuk | excellent! |
| 10:24.00 | jukey | and i can see the calendar and stuf around it and edit entries and so on :D |
| 10:24.02 | lcuk | does it appear fast and smooth (it should if everything is working right) |
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| 10:24.39 | lcuk | niiiiiiiiiiiice, right, ill push those to -devel. thanks for reporting, people need this to get the next step done |
| 10:25.37 | lcuk | i wonder if it will work in fremantle as well |
| 10:25.44 | lcuk | ponders |
| 10:27.22 | jukey | lcuk: it's very fast imho. |
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| 10:27.51 | lcuk | hopefully now the speed and feeling is retained as i add the required functionality in :) |
| 10:28.07 | lcuk | and i manage to find and cure all the outstanding stability issues |
| 10:33.06 | lcuk | hmmmmm extras autobuilder has a limitation. |
| 10:33.24 | lcuk | i cannot upload both packages together because they are inter related |
| 10:33.28 | lcuk | the libary and the playground |
| 10:33.58 | lcuk | if i do them together, and the library passes, when the playground is built it fails because the library it can find isnt yet the latest one! |
| 10:34.04 | lcuk | and hence wont have all functionality |
| 10:34.36 | lcuk | i wonder if autobuilder could be made to look in its completed queue, so i can upload both halves at once |
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| 10:41.25 | lcuk | i know webservers run things like php and stuff, but if i wanted to make use of functionality from libliqbase on a webapp (server side - converting sketches to pngs) would i need a dedicated custom server to do it |
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| 10:48.24 | lardman | ~curse my Nokia 6300 for having really crap firmware |
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| 10:50.50 | lardman | hmm, infobot has stopped responding to tildes? |
| 10:50.55 | lardman | ~itt |
| 10:50.55 | infobot | well, itt is the forums on internettablettalk.com ( http://internettablettalk.com/forums ) |
| 10:51.02 | lardman | oh no, just some things then |
| 10:53.43 | Macer | capote is kind of strange |
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| 10:57.01 | VDVsx | infobot lost some of the magic :( |
| 10:58.14 | lcuk | ~lart lardman |
| 10:58.14 | infobot | executes killall -HUP lardman |
| 10:58.28 | lcuk | ~lart ~curse |
| 10:58.28 | infobot | slaps ~curse upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
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| 11:21.05 | Macer | lol! |
| 11:21.15 | Macer | what the hell |
| 11:22.45 | Macer | people are talking to harper lee about her book and they dont know the name of it |
| 11:22.52 | Macer | hahaha |
| 11:23.04 | Macer | "something about a bird...?" |
| 11:23.08 | Macer | amazing |
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| 11:23.53 | RST38h | does not even know who harper lee is |
| 11:24.00 | Macer | haha |
| 11:24.03 | RST38h | is it a bird? =) |
| 11:24.13 | Macer | to kill a mockingbird |
| 11:24.57 | Macer | you've never heard of it? :) |
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| 11:29.37 | lcuk | Macer, i have, but i couldn't have told you who the author was |
| 11:30.11 | xnt14[server] | wakes up |
| 11:30.17 | xnt14[server] | morning all : |
| 11:30.23 | xnt14[server] | *-: |
| 11:30.48 | xnt14[server] | crap, my spelling correction bot isn't working :P |
| 11:30.58 | xnt14[server] | boots up his xps |
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| 11:31.55 | xnt14 | :) |
| 11:32.49 | RST38h | Macer: ah, I have heard the name of the book of course but know knothign of the author |
| 11:33.22 | xnt14[server] | is bored.....already |
| 11:33.30 | xnt14 | oops wrong keyboard :P |
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| 11:38.48 | lardman | hmm, Garage is pretty slow, or is it just me? |
| 11:39.09 | RST38h | it's slow |
| 11:39.23 | X-Fade | Only a load of 6. ;) |
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| 11:44.52 | lcuk | ummm the autobuilder isnt on the same server as garage is it :$ |
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| 11:45.09 | X-Fade | lcuk: No |
| 11:45.21 | lcuk | phew good, thought i had broked it |
| 11:45.23 | X-Fade | lcuk: although the assistant is. |
| 11:45.26 | lcuk | i just pushed the playground through |
| 11:45.39 | lcuk | mmmm |
| 11:45.41 | X-Fade | lcuk: No, that is quite a normal load unfortunately. |
| 11:45.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 11:46.28 | xnt14 | ~seen penguinbait |
| 11:46.30 | infobot | penguinbait <i=penguinb@173-10-44-233-Michigan.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 16h 45m 7s ago, saying: 'hola'. |
| 11:46.38 | xnt14 | 2 days? :P |
| 11:46.54 | lcuk | yeah he got eaten not long after that |
| 11:47.01 | xnt14 | xD |
| 11:47.04 | lcuk | very messy, needed to mop up the chan and everythinhg |
| 11:47.12 | xnt14 | w/e |
| 11:47.20 | xnt14 | is this outdated: http://tablethacker.com/wp/?p=151&lang=en-us |
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| 11:47.22 | lardman | VDVsx: I had a quick go with the code last night but was missing some of the Python libs, are these available as I couldn't find them (perhaps I had the wrong names)? |
| 11:49.24 | xnt14 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19639 what does he mean by 43-7? |
| 11:49.40 | xnt14 | wants his clone to sd system :P |
| 11:49.46 | lardman | sounds like a FIASCO image release number |
| 11:50.02 | xnt14 | ok, ill look at my image I flashed with |
| 11:50.27 | xnt14 | damn, its 43-7 :( |
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| 11:51.15 | xnt14 | guys is this outdated? http://wiki.maemo.org/Booting_from_a_flash_card |
| 11:52.33 | xnt14 | what should the partition be? ext2? |
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| 11:52.41 | xnt14 | the cloned partition |
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| 11:58.20 | xnt14 | why is it that irc is always a dead whenever I need confirmation of something :P |
| 11:58.31 | RST38h | LHC takes lead over N900! |
| 11:58.48 | RST38h | Go, LHC, go! |
| 12:00.55 | lardman | xnt14: partition on the card should be ext2/3 |
| 12:01.07 | xnt14 | lardman, thanks :) |
| 12:01.13 | lardman | np |
| 12:01.16 | xnt14 | :) |
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| 12:11.56 | RST38h | X-Fade: May I file a bug report about the tmaemo.org Download icon? |
| 12:12.21 | VDVsx | lardman, which ones ? |
| 12:12.37 | X-Fade | RST38h: Sure, I can always close it with WONTFIX :) |
| 12:12.56 | X-Fade | RST38h: But tell me, what about it? |
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| 12:13.09 | RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like penis. |
| 12:13.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: If you are Shrek,.. |
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| 12:13.42 | RST38h | X-Fade: even scarier, after you mention it... |
| 12:14.01 | RST38h | X-Fade: I.e. either return the old icon or deuglify the new one |
| 12:14.26 | lcuk | which icon rst |
| 12:14.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: But I think it is a little far fetched.. |
| 12:14.57 | X-Fade | lcuk: http://static.maemo.org/style_maemo2009/img/icons/application_install.png |
| 12:15.02 | X-Fade | I guess that one. |
| 12:15.55 | Macer | grrrr |
| 12:16.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, I am not going to use exactly the same wording in the tracker :) |
| 12:16.44 | RST38h | X-Fade: But it is ugly, unfortunately. |
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| 12:17.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: Better icons, attached to the bug are always appreciated ;) |
| 12:18.08 | lcuk | RST38h, if your penis is sharpened like that you have bigger problems. |
| 12:21.45 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: have you done some auto updating at downloads? |
| 12:22.05 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Yes. |
| 12:22.07 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: version numbers are wrong for bunch of apps |
| 12:22.22 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Can you point to one? |
| 12:22.29 | mikkov_ | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vor/ |
| 12:22.40 | mikkov_ | version number is from fremantle-extras |
| 12:23.17 | X-Fade | Hmm that is weird. |
| 12:23.29 | X-Fade | As we don't check for fremantle atm. |
| 12:23.30 | mikkov_ | hmm, actually vor has correct version |
| 12:25.13 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: OK, they were wrong before after the first auto update, but the second update has changed them back |
| 12:25.15 | RST38h | lcuk: You mean, the color is right? =) |
| 12:25.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: ok |
| 12:25.39 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, so it was wrong when it was added? |
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| 12:26.22 | mikkov_ | X-Fade: no, all of the apps which have " |
| 12:26.38 | mikkov_ | "updated 2009-06-20 12:45 UTC" are in fremantle-extras |
| 12:27.13 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Ah, I know what happened. |
| 12:27.31 | X-Fade | mikkov_: The Packages file in the repository was corrupted then. |
| 12:27.46 | lcuk | there is no fremantle extras is there |
| 12:27.51 | lcuk | i thought there was only extras-devel |
| 12:27.57 | X-Fade | lcuk: correct. |
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| 12:28.12 | mikkov_ | yeah, I meant extras-devel |
| 12:28.19 | lcuk | does downloads take versions from -devel stuff as well :o |
| 12:28.37 | lcuk | ie download counts etc |
| 12:28.43 | X-Fade | lcuk: No, only extras. |
| 12:28.51 | lcuk | phew! |
| 12:29.45 | mikkov_ | anyway there was something weird going on (or mayve I was dreaming :) |
| 12:30.09 | X-Fade | mikkov_: Yeah, the repository had some corruption issue in the index. |
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| 12:30.23 | dneary | hi |
| 12:30.31 | X-Fade | mikkov_: And the Downloads script runs against that index. |
| 12:30.34 | xnt14 | ok g2g for now spanish exams |
| 12:31.07 | Macer | alrighty |
| 12:31.13 | Macer | just have to get my folding@home vbox going :) |
| 12:31.20 | Macer | and i'm off to the races |
| 12:31.21 | Macer | heh |
| 12:31.27 | jukey | most of the maemo.org news are postet at least 2 times atm... |
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| 12:35.04 | RST38h | X-Fade: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4723 |
| 12:35.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: We can also ask wazd to make a decent item |
| 12:35.25 | Macer | my beast of a server is running nicer with stock opensolaris on it |
| 12:35.43 | Macer | i should try to find new cpus for it but i'm sure that would be impossible or expensive by now |
| 12:36.20 | Stskeeps | is using opensolaris stock now too, in a vmdk |
| 12:36.24 | Stskeeps | er, in virtualbox |
| 12:36.37 | Stskeeps | and then my media center in linux |
| 12:36.45 | Stskeeps | (xen would probably be saner..) |
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| 12:39.46 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: have you gotten usb devices to work? |
| 12:39.57 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to share some usb things to my vm's and it's not working |
| 12:40.23 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: not yet |
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| 12:47.08 | Macer | damn |
| 12:47.17 | Macer | opteron 854s cost $500 |
| 12:47.22 | Macer | single core 2.8GHz for that much :) |
| 12:48.17 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: so. it seems i need to create a usb filter if i want windows to have access to usb things |
| 12:48.23 | timeless_mbp | but now windows is trying to install things! |
| 12:48.51 | Macer | they must be seriously fast to justify that much money |
| 12:49.08 | Macer | a 290 costs $179 and has 2 cores . i don't understand |
| 12:50.09 | Macer | i'm tempted to buy a couple of these to replace my 1.8GHz 265s |
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| 12:57.35 | RST38h | Macer: Different cache size? |
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| 13:06.46 | Macer | RST38h: dunno. stopped looking ;) |
| 13:06.53 | Macer | i really don't need new ones if they don't have amd-v |
| 13:07.14 | Macer | i will just have to build another server with a phenom or something i suppose... that can wait until i'm done building my rackmount stuff |
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| 13:07.35 | Macer | right now i'm testing out this folding@home shit in a vbox |
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| 13:12.27 | Macer | emory: 8191M phys mem, 309M free mem, 4095M total swap, 4095M free swap |
| 13:12.38 | Macer | wow.. that seems kind of like.. high usage |
| 13:12.58 | Macer | i gave 3G to vbox.. wonder where the rest went |
| 13:13.03 | X-Fade | Macer: No it doesn't. |
| 13:13.09 | X-Fade | That is just filesystem cache. |
| 13:13.24 | X-Fade | Which isn't counted in free. |
| 13:13.50 | andre__ | heja GAN800, does 1805 depend on 3845 or do you think that 1805 is just obsolete nowadays? |
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| 13:14.46 | Macer | in opensolaris? :) |
| 13:15.10 | Macer | i thought that was a linux thing |
| 13:16.53 | Stskeeps | probably caching a lot yeah |
| 13:18.15 | GAN800 | andre__, wut?? |
| 13:18.31 | andre__ | GAN800, yay! :-) |
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| 13:20.33 | GAN800 | andre__, depends, I think. |
| 13:21.04 | GAN800 | Though probably better if they just link to the appropriate wiki page. |
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| 13:59.30 | lcuk | RST38h, hows your calc engine coming on, or is that done for now |
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| 13:59.35 | Stskeeps | *** HOT MAEMO PORN (34242322b) |
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| 13:59.42 | johnsq | Hi |
| 13:59.46 | lcuk | would love to actually use the engine itself |
| 13:59.48 | kjakdj | hii |
| 13:59.52 | lcuk | :O Stskeeps |
| 13:59.54 | kjakdj | im just joining... |
| 13:59.55 | kjakdj | hehe |
| 14:00.08 | lcuk | why isnt that in my cache lol |
| 14:00.37 | johnsq | Stskeeps: where? :) |
| 14:00.44 | Stskeeps | (!list) |
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| 14:23.35 | lardman | hmm, /me sees he'll be in Berlin for the days before the summit |
| 14:23.55 | woglinde | who? |
| 14:24.00 | lardman | me |
| 14:24.19 | Macer | ok. opensolaris ftw |
| 14:24.22 | woglinde | ah |
| 14:24.24 | woglinde | when? |
| 14:24.26 | Macer | although the integrated cifs kind of sucks :) |
| 14:24.28 | GAN800 | lardman, I'm going to have to come kick your ass if you don't make it. :P |
| 14:24.42 | lardman | GAN800: you going to be there? |
| 14:25.11 | lardman | I should be fine, as ever another conference, but this time they don't overlap, one finishes the day before the other starts |
| 14:25.11 | X-Fade | lardman: We're going to kick GAN800's ass if he doesn't come ;) |
| 14:25.17 | lardman | X-Fade: +10 |
| 14:25.48 | lardman | I'm sure my wife will be happy, nearly a whole week abroad |
| 14:26.31 | lardman | and I mean happy as I guess she'll come along for the trips :) |
| 14:27.10 | lardman | I'm amazed how much Psion Workabouts still cost |
| 14:29.19 | lardman | as a random aside |
| 14:29.44 | GAN800 | Planning on it. |
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| 14:29.54 | lardman | glad to hear it :) |
| 14:30.16 | lardman | we'll have to sort out some chaps in red dresses with lances and weird helmets to greet you off the plane |
| 14:32.37 | GAN800 | 22 hours of flying. Those planes better have WiFi. |
| 14:33.02 | X-Fade | GAN800: Uhm? You are taking the wrong way around the world ;) |
| 14:33.10 | X-Fade | Go east ;) |
| 14:33.32 | X-Fade | Should not be more than 9 orso? |
| 14:34.50 | lardman | http://www.shadowdalecreations.com/imperial_guard_4.png |
| 14:35.44 | GAN800 | X-Fade, that's what it was when I checked last year |
| 14:35.47 | X-Fade | GAN800: According to wolfram at least :D |
| 14:35.50 | GAN800 | 2 connections |
| 14:36.26 | lardman | you should be able to fly klm direct I would have thought |
| 14:36.53 | X-Fade | GAN800: What airport would you fly from? |
| 14:37.44 | VDVsx | lardman, any low coast in uk that fly to amsterdam ? |
| 14:38.07 | lardman | VDVsx: from which airport? I guess Easyjet flies there |
| 14:38.36 | lardman | http://www.cheapflights.com/flights-to-amsterdam/miami/ |
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| 14:39.29 | lardman | Ryanair doesn't fly to Amsterdam, which is good as Ryanair are crap |
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| 14:40.02 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:40.39 | lardman | easyjet flies from Bristol to Amsterdam, but as I'm going to have to fly to Berlin first I'm not sure what I'll do |
| 14:40.42 | VDVsx | lardman, I don't have major complains about ryanair |
| 14:40.58 | lardman | oh well :) |
| 14:41.32 | VDVsx | I have transavia here, a dutch low coast |
| 14:41.51 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Goes to Rotterdam only? |
| 14:41.59 | VDVsx | X-Fade, nop |
| 14:42.06 | VDVsx | Schipoll |
| 14:43.06 | VDVsx | I flew to Amsterdam in Feb with transavia |
| 14:44.18 | aquatix | generally takes the train |
| 14:44.26 | aquatix | it's about 25 minutes |
| 14:44.30 | aquatix | O:) |
| 14:44.40 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:44.41 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:45.03 | X-Fade | aquatix: I usually take the train too. Takes about 2 hours ;) |
| 14:45.37 | lardman | wonders how long the train would take from Bath |
| 14:45.56 | lardman | probably as long from Bath to London as it would take on the other side |
| 14:46.43 | X-Fade | lardman: It can be done, I'm sure. But flying to Australia takes less time :) |
| 14:46.53 | lardman | lol |
| 14:46.55 | VDVsx | lol |
| 14:47.03 | aquatix | X-Fade: yeah, that's what you get from living in the middle of nowhere ;) |
| 14:47.21 | X-Fade | aquatix: true |
| 14:47.41 | VDVsx | Amsterdam -> brussels 2.3h, the brussels airport is also a option |
| 14:47.58 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Ugh. |
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| 14:48.05 | VDVsx | about 25 € the ticket (young discount :P) |
| 14:48.27 | X-Fade | VDVsx: It takes about 1 hour to fly from UK to Amsterdam. your route sounds inefficient. |
| 14:48.43 | VDVsx | yah |
| 14:49.51 | VDVsx | X-Fade, but for people from outside Europe, can be cheaper fly to Brussels |
| 14:50.02 | X-Fade | VDVsx: Sure. |
| 14:50.23 | X-Fade | Although that is a pain with bag etc. |
| 14:50.32 | VDVsx | :P |
| 14:51.29 | lardman | well the Emperor should have his retainers with him so not a problem for him ;) |
| 14:51.32 | lardman | hey GAN800 |
| 14:53.49 | X-Fade | lardman: I wonder if he has highlighting for the words: His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles |
| 14:53.50 | coldboot | I'm trying to build Maemo's Qt subversion revision 456, and I'm getting "lrelease-qt4: Command not found", anyone know why it's not building lrelease? |
| 14:54.38 | lardman | X-Fade: I doubt he needs highlighting, just feels a disturbance in the Force when we take the mick (I can feel my throat tightening even now ;) |
| 14:55.44 | X-Fade | Heh |
| 14:57.05 | VDVsx | wooow, a round trip to Amsterdam for 1200 € in second class :P, they should serve caviar or something like that, ehehe |
| 14:57.42 | X-Fade | VDVsx: For that amount your can really fly to australia easily ;) |
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| 14:58.06 | VDVsx | I think so, let me check, lol |
| 14:58.23 | lardman | X-Fade: it's not too late, move the summit! :) |
| 14:58.24 | X-Fade | Hi His Lordship and Imperial Highness Emperor Field Marshal Antilles |
| 14:59.51 | GAN8001 | Piece of shir phone |
| 14:59.56 | GAN8001 | s/shir/shit |
| 15:00.04 | VDVsx | X-Fade, with more 72 € I can fly to Sydney :) |
| 15:00.05 | GAN8001 | X-Fade, TPA |
| 15:00.58 | X-Fade | VDVsx: I can do it for under 900 ;) |
| 15:00.59 | GAN800 | X-Fade, that's Jaffa now, by the way. ;) |
| 15:01.25 | lardman | GAN800: we know he's just your puppet ;) |
| 15:01.55 | VDVsx | X-Fade, 29 hours,ouch |
| 15:02.42 | lardman | got to run, bbl |
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| 15:08.55 | wazd | GAN800: http://i061.radikal.ru/0906/7e/0c73f7b671b7.jpg <- Mer connection manager concept |
| 15:09.07 | wazd | GAN800: Sts told me you'll ruin this :) |
| 15:11.16 | Jaffa | GAN800 has told me to point out that I'm *no-one's* puppet. |
| 15:11.33 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 15:12.31 | coldboot | Has anyone successfully built Maemo qt4? |
| 15:14.31 | woglinde | coldboot I used the source deb |
| 15:14.33 | woglinde | and they build |
| 15:14.53 | woglinde | but better ask on the maemo qt mailinglist |
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| 15:15.09 | woglinde | aloiso normaly anwsers really fasrt |
| 15:18.02 | coldboot | woglinde: What package did you apt-get source? |
| 15:18.15 | coldboot | libqt4-dev? |
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| 15:20.19 | coldboot | woglinde: What did you install to get md5sum? |
| 15:20.35 | coldboot | There are a lot of essential packages missing from Maemo, and a lot of things missing from packages that are in Maemo. |
| 15:20.46 | woglinde | coldboot I normaly ignored that |
| 15:21.06 | coldboot | How do you ignore it when you run apt-get source? |
| 15:21.17 | coldboot | ah, it downloaded anyway |
| 15:21.22 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 15:24.05 | Macer | ok. all done (sort of) |
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| 15:24.13 | Macer | hopefully i can keep this thing going for a few years without touching it again |
| 15:24.19 | Macer | although i already see myself doing it in a few months :) |
| 15:24.49 | Macer | i still need a passive video card for it. i don't understand why this old pci s3 i have in a drawer won't work in it |
| 15:24.49 | coldboot | woglinde: dpkg-buildpackage can't even patch properly. |
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| 15:25.57 | woglinde | coldboot aeh? |
| 15:26.38 | coldboot | woglinde: Patch failing when running dpkg-buildpackage -b: http://pastie.org/520296 |
| 15:27.08 | woglinde | hm try |
| 15:27.14 | woglinde | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 15:27.47 | coldboot | Getting fakeroot to work in sb2 was close to impossible. |
| 15:27.51 | coldboot | I'm logged in as root instead. |
| 15:28.06 | woglinde | ah sb2 |
| 15:28.08 | woglinde | okay |
| 15:28.11 | woglinde | hm |
| 15:28.19 | woglinde | never tried to build it in sb2 |
| 15:28.35 | woglinde | but the erorr has nothing to do with it |
| 15:28.35 | coldboot | I don't see why it would make a difference in this case, but maybe it is. |
| 15:28.38 | coldboot | Yeah. |
| 15:28.44 | woglinde | are you trying to build for mer? |
| 15:28.59 | coldboot | woglinde: Nope |
| 15:29.06 | woglinde | hm |
| 15:29.08 | woglinde | strange |
| 15:29.10 | coldboot | Just trying to build qt4 so I can fix a bug in it. |
| 15:29.20 | woglinde | dont know why the patch is missing |
| 15:29.36 | woglinde | but as I said write this to the qt-maemo mailinglist |
| 15:29.39 | coldboot | k |
| 15:29.40 | woglinde | and antonio will answer |
| 15:29.53 | coldboot | Heh, I'm already talking to him about this stuff. |
| 15:29.58 | coldboot | Do you know where he is in the world? |
| 15:30.31 | woglinde | nope |
| 15:30.45 | woglinde | but you maybee find out when searching in the kde project |
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| 15:32.30 | coldboot | woglinde: Got it, if you don't have md5sum it doesn't apply patches properly before you run dpkg-buildpackage. |
| 15:32.42 | coldboot | Someone should fix coreutils so it's got md5sum and all of the other missing stuff in it. |
| 15:32.44 | coldboot | In sb2. |
| 15:34.12 | woglinde | coldbott uh good to know |
| 15:35.04 | coldboot | Is scratchbox just a platform for building arm stuff that's not coupled with Maemo? |
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| 15:37.31 | slonopotamus | argh! i'm tired of bitmaps calculations :) |
| 15:38.06 | woglinde | coldboot nope |
| 15:38.12 | slonopotamus | stskeeps, i added all letters from a to z :) |
| 15:38.14 | woglinde | crosscompilig enviroment too |
| 15:38.19 | slonopotamus | stskeeps, ~1h |
| 15:39.05 | slonopotamus | need to automate it... |
| 15:42.21 | coldboot | woglinde: But is it associated with the Maemo project? |
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| 15:49.10 | GAN800 | wazd, is this the connection manager or what you see when you tap the applet? |
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| 15:49.28 | wazd | GAN800: connection manager |
| 15:49.36 | GAN800 | The actions column doesn't justify filling half the screen. |
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| 15:51.44 | wazd | GAN800: that was a bad idea, remaking it roght now :) |
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| 15:52.13 | wazd | http://s46.radikal.ru/i113/0906/18/843d0f1483c5.jpg |
| 15:56.07 | GAN800 | wazd, icons don't fit. |
| 15:56.20 | GAN800 | Signal strength is a little candy-esque |
| 15:57.24 | GAN800 | I'd leave audio stuff for the audio applet, too. |
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| 16:01.13 | woglinde | coldboot hm yes maemo seems the only real user of sb |
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| 16:04.55 | GAN800 | Does Mauku support Quaiku? |
| 16:05.13 | slonopotamus | o_O |
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| 16:05.37 | slonopotamus | speak english, please :D |
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| 16:06.33 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: the fremantle one will have support |
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| 16:08.21 | GAN800 | bergie, where's my screenshot? |
| 16:08.31 | GAN800 | qwerty12, but I want it now. |
| 16:08.40 | lardman | what's this? |
| 16:08.41 | bergie | GAN800: screenshot? |
| 16:08.58 | RichiH | GAN800: i made you a screenshot, but i eated it :( |
| 16:08.59 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: the developer is putting fremantle first :( |
| 16:09.19 | Robot101 | bergie: hey |
| 16:09.36 | Robot101 | bergie: aren't you worried this social desktop stuff should be using XMPP for real-time stuff? |
| 16:09.53 | bergie | GAN800: regarding Mauku's Qaiku support... I've understood it is coming |
| 16:10.07 | GAN800 | bergie, of the Midgard toolbar. |
| 16:10.18 | bergie | Robot101: XMPP would make a lot of sense, yes |
| 16:10.31 | bergie | Robot101: I've spent most of today hacking on a XMPP bot anyway ;-) |
| 16:11.10 | bergie | GAN800: ah, sorry... forgot completely about that. It seems the menu option is not there in latest Midgard LTS, but I'll try to dig the archives for it |
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| 16:11.25 | Robot101 | bergie: also there's a load of new XML descriptions for stuff there /must/ be existing schemas for like contacts etc, and features already in XMPP for at least some of the things |
| 16:11.31 | Ave | my "dead n810" turned out to be just a dead battery, I found nice(?) replica batteries for 10 euros |
| 16:11.40 | Robot101 | bergie: then some pubsub could probably cover the rest |
| 16:11.55 | Ave | real nokia one would've costed 60-70 euros, argh |
| 16:11.55 | Stskeeps | Ave: congrats:) |
| 16:12.12 | Ave | I got two, one year warranty and all |
| 16:12.14 | Ave | so yaay |
| 16:12.28 | bergie | Robot101: fully agreed... the issue mostly is that many developers understand REST, but few understand XMPP |
| 16:12.54 | Robot101 | bergie: I'm not convinced the developers who understand REST are dying to implement desktop social networking apps |
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| 16:13.36 | Robot101 | bergie: I'm happy to concede the people who /are/ implementing social networking apps on the web are of course more familiar with REST, but that doesn't follow that it's the best way to bring it onto the desktop |
| 16:13.42 | woglinde | bye |
| 16:13.47 | Robot101 | my NIH-o-meter went off the scale reading this stuff :( |
| 16:14.08 | bergie | Robot101: yep. As I've written a couple of times, I think Telepathy Tubes would be the right place to start with this stuff |
| 16:14.44 | xnt14 | ok im back from my exam :P, going to play my ps3 |
| 16:14.45 | bergie | see for instance http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/free_desktop_and_the_cloud/ |
| 16:14.56 | lcuk | we should just integrate IRC directly in ythe palm of your hand - always on command line auto updating and automatic text to speech so your irc pals can contact you from the depths of your pocket |
| 16:14.56 | Robot101 | yes and no, if there's some lower-level XMPP stuff we'll expose it in Telepathy, it doesn't need to be tubes espscially, that's mostly focused at interactive apps rather than pushing events / notifications out to people |
| 16:15.27 | Robot101 | we're considering adding some plugin hooks in Telepathy's XMPP backend so its easier to expose new XMPP protocol features for 3rd parties |
| 16:15.40 | lcuk | socket programming and servers are still king |
| 16:15.43 | Robot101 | we have some Telepathy modifications which are specific for OLPC but not interesting to others |
| 16:15.46 | GAN800 | bergie, the floaty one is broken in half of all browsers and basically obnoxious in the rest. |
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| 16:16.57 | bergie | GAN800: what browser are you talking about? |
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| 16:18.32 | lcuk | draws a sketch of a cloud |
| 16:18.36 | lcuk | pushes it to his wall |
| 16:19.15 | GAN800 | bergie, anything WebKit or Gecko on PPC. |
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| 16:19.45 | GAN800 | It also seems to break in new and interesting ways with every release. |
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| 16:42.18 | bergie | GAN800: found the toolbar: http://www.qaiku.com/home/bergie/show/1de5f4c1eaf525e5f4c11de9cbe456ce5477c9e7c9e/ |
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| 16:50.02 | GAN800 | andre__, ping? |
| 16:50.35 | bergie | GAN800: sorry about the delay :-) |
| 16:50.43 | GAN800 | bergie, hum, I was thinking more along the lines of the MediaWiki toolbar. |
| 16:50.51 | GAN800 | No worries |
| 16:51.03 | bergie | GAN800: you mean something more "in-page"? |
| 16:53.10 | GAN800 | Yeah |
| 16:53.17 | andre__ | GAN800, pongo |
| 16:53.26 | GAN800 | Make all of the various apps match as much as possible. |
| 16:53.28 | bergie | we have that too, but it'd require a bit tweaking with the maemo.org style as there isn't really a place for it right now |
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| 16:53.50 | GAN800 | andre__, how's tomorrow look for you for theming? I may be able to take off. |
| 16:53.52 | bergie | on the midgard site we have quite a lot of other stuff in the sidebar, latest news headlines and whatnot |
| 16:54.05 | andre__ | GAN800, seen testzilla? |
| 16:54.12 | andre__ | yeah, i'm fine with that |
| 16:55.19 | GAN800 | Yeah, is that from my patches? |
| 16:56.19 | andre__ | not really. more like one evening of basic CSS hacking here :) |
| 16:56.37 | andre__ | (did you hack any CSS? if so I might have missed an email) |
| 17:00.13 | GAN800 | Nope, but you should only need the maemo.org CSS. |
| 17:01.28 | andre__ | okay. because this stuff is custom. looks like i should take another look into that |
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| 17:04.41 | GAN800 | andre__, the only work we should need to do is in the templates. |
| 17:05.22 | andre__ | hmm. maybe i take a look later today. anyway, let's see tomorrow :) |
| 17:07.45 | GAN800 | andre__, well, see how my patches apply? |
| 17:08.31 | andre__ | your email from May 25 has one patch attached |
| 17:08.45 | andre__ | for banner, and footer |
| 17:08.49 | andre__ | maybe i miss something? |
| 17:08.52 | GAN800 | Patch, patches. |
| 17:09.02 | GAN800 | Nope, that's it. |
| 17:09.15 | GAN800 | I think it should get us started, though. |
| 17:09.59 | andre__ | okay. i remember problems when just changing the classes of the divs as in the patch |
| 17:10.56 | GAN800 | I suck at working by guesswork. ;) |
| 17:12.01 | andre__ | heh. yeah, i can imagine it sucks. |
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| 17:14.17 | GAN800 | So I should be able to fix a live thing up more easily. |
| 17:14.55 | GAN800 | Short of installing my own instance here, pounding out templates isn't quite as straightforward as HTML. ;) |
| 17:18.44 | timeless_mbp | wazd: the word 'selected' in http://i061.radikal.ru/0906/7e/0c73f7b671b7.jpg is superfluous |
| 17:19.04 | timeless_mbp | wazd: there should be a visible break between the bottom two "buttons" |
| 17:19.19 | timeless_mbp | and if you're unlikely to have more than 3 actions |
| 17:19.31 | timeless_mbp | could you please consider multiple columns for connections? |
| 17:19.37 | timeless_mbp | because i usually have >100 connections |
| 17:19.44 | timeless_mbp | so being only able to see 5 at a time is painful |
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| 17:20.10 | timeless_mbp | note that the maemo5 ui style would have the actions be part of the "menu" |
| 17:20.13 | timeless_mbp | (whatever a menu is) |
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| 17:30.55 | wazd | timeless_mbp: thanks for the feedback. >100 connections is a really hardcore scenario :D |
| 17:31.17 | timeless_mbp | wazd: it isn't |
| 17:31.24 | timeless_mbp | especially the way our device is going to work |
| 17:31.29 | timeless_mbp | our device intends to be promiscuous |
| 17:31.36 | timeless_mbp | all it takes is a minimal amount of travel |
| 17:31.42 | timeless_mbp | i have devices to prove it |
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| 17:33.37 | X-Fade | wazd: When in Nokia's hallways you can easily see 100 APs at the same time ;) |
| 17:36.31 | wazd | I don't think that 5 or 6 items on the screen would not make any difference when you have 100 APs :) |
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| 17:36.43 | wazd | I think* |
| 17:36.45 | X-Fade | wazd: Heh, no :) |
| 17:37.00 | X-Fade | Although, that is 20% less scrolling.. |
| 17:37.07 | timeless_mbp | wazd: the difference between 10 screens and 20 is significant |
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| 17:38.33 | wazd | X-Fade: but in the same time, items are 20% harder to tap :) |
| 17:39.04 | timeless_mbp | wazd: no |
| 17:39.12 | timeless_mbp | not if you use two columns where you're currently wasting one |
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| 17:40.59 | wazd | timeless_mbp: no, two coloumns is a good idea, I should consider it |
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| 17:46.03 | GAN800 | wonders if the Fremantle applet is going to be a giant adv-backlight ripoff. |
| 17:46.13 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: doubtful |
| 17:46.23 | qwerty12_N810 | GAN800: that could only be a good thing :) |
| 17:46.44 | GAN800 | qwerty12, except it's closed source. |
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| 17:46.56 | qwerty12_N810 | Hmm, yeah, fair point |
| 17:47.02 | GAN800 | In which case they should've just adopted the ab codebase. |
| 17:47.07 | timeless_mbp | GAN800: if it's a complete ripoff, then adv-backlight is a drop in replacement :) |
| 17:47.14 | timeless_mbp | wazd: also note that i'd like to have a search feature |
| 17:47.33 | timeless_mbp | and while you're designing such a thing, it'd be nice to be able to GeoTag and Comment networks |
| 17:47.34 | GAN800 | timeless_mbp, wasted time and effort that should be combined. |
| 17:47.43 | GAN800 | Ah! |
| 17:48.01 | GAN800 | That's what I was going to say earlier. |
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| 17:48.27 | GAN800 | With GPS and cellular positioning some sort of geolocation for WiFi would be nice. |
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| 17:54.19 | timeless_mbp | anything else i can poke? |
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| 17:57.56 | Macer | hm |
| 17:58.15 | Macer | torrent is stuck at 99.99% |
| 18:06.37 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, where are we going to find our GTK hackers? |
| 18:10.41 | timeless_mbp | i'd like to share some pictures: http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader%20update.png |
| 18:12.22 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Makes sense :) |
| 18:12.22 | timeless_mbp | so what's it doing? |
| 18:12.22 | timeless_mbp | and how do i find out what maps i lost? |
| 18:12.22 | timeless_mbp | since afaict, it has helpfully deleted *All* of my maps |
| 18:12.24 | timeless_mbp | w/o letting me know what maps i had |
| 18:12.24 | timeless_mbp | and btw, this was a *mandatory* step |
| 18:12.24 | timeless_mbp | before i could see what data was on my device |
| 18:12.35 | timeless_mbp | oh, and also... the map app doesn't fit on my screen :) |
| 18:14.48 | timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader.png |
| 18:15.07 | timeless_mbp | in case people are planning to design a map loader ui |
| 18:15.16 | timeless_mbp | please do not consider copying anything you see here |
| 18:15.23 | timeless_mbp | e.g. "maps data" should be "map data" |
| 18:15.40 | timeless_mbp | showing 3.0 GB above -3056.6 MB is not logical |
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| 18:15.55 | timeless_mbp | defaulting to a window size that doesn't fit on the screen is stupid |
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| 18:17.14 | timeless_mbp | oh, and in case you ever consider designing something with a timeout |
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| 18:17.37 | timeless_mbp | never write "Expiry Date" in professional products. especially given that "Expiration Date" fits |
| 18:21.36 | timeless_mbp | http://www.webwizardry.net/~timeless/map%20loader%20x%20means%20delete%20-%20right.png |
| 18:21.50 | timeless_mbp | btw, in case you're curious, there's no hover support for those buttons |
| 18:22.07 | timeless_mbp | i.e. you can't figure out what they mean by using your mouse (unless you click on them and then examine some results elsewhere) |
| 18:23.48 | timeless_mbp | oh and in case people are curious, i'm just playing w/ my n81 and handing out sage UI advice, this has nothing to do with fremantle or mer |
| 18:24.11 | timeless_mbp | but please don't ever consider doing anything nokia did in their windows apps in anything you work on :) |
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| 18:39.57 | timeless_mbp | oh and ... you shouldn't write "1 hours 1 minutes ..." |
| 18:40.01 | timeless_mbp | or "1 drives" |
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| 18:48.41 | timeless_mbp | oh.... btw... |
| 18:48.52 | timeless_mbp | operating systems have this cool concept "multitasking" |
| 18:49.12 | timeless_mbp | which means that while you're writing "california" to a phone, you could be downloading "maryland" |
| 18:49.17 | timeless_mbp | unless of course, you're the nokia map loader |
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| 18:49.21 | timeless_mbp | :( |
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| 18:59.33 | uzzed | ão |
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| 19:38.31 | tibob | hi |
| 19:38.46 | b-man16 | hi |
| 19:38.52 | xnt14 | hi |
| 19:38.58 | b-man16 | lol |
| 19:39.01 | xnt14 | lol |
| 19:39.04 | xnt14 | :P |
| 19:39.36 | b-man16 | :P |
| 19:39.36 | b-man16 | 8þ |
| 19:39.51 | tibob | I'm trying to install autoconf from maemo sdk (diablo) on my n810 buy dependencies seam to be wrong (it would deinstall a lot of essential packages). Am I doing something wrong ? |
| 19:40.06 | tibob | lol |
| 19:40.30 | timeless_mbp | tibob: you're trying to install stuff from the sdk |
| 19:40.38 | timeless_mbp | so, 'yes', i think that's wrong :) |
| 19:40.43 | xnt14 | autoconf? from the sdk? |
| 19:40.46 | xnt14 | nvm |
| 19:41.00 | xnt14 | ^^^ timeless gave you the answer :P |
| 19:41.33 | tibob | timeless - okay, so if the sdk repository is not aimed for the devices, do you know a repository with autoconf and so on for the device (if not, I will have to make my own one) |
| 19:41.54 | timeless_mbp | um, i know there are a couple of repository search tools |
| 19:42.12 | timeless_mbp | and i know that we need more repositories like we need holes in our heads |
| 19:42.15 | timeless_mbp | and my head aches |
| 19:44.58 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: autoconf from sdk will -bomb- on tablet |
| 19:45.02 | Stskeeps | err |
| 19:45.03 | Stskeeps | tibob: |
| 19:45.06 | Stskeeps | sorry :P |
| 19:45.13 | tibob | Stskeeps: yes, i saw that :-) |
| 19:45.22 | Stskeeps | as in, it won't run :P |
| 19:45.25 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: how do i update my mer :) |
| 19:45.30 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: which one of them? |
| 19:45.42 | timeless_mbp | i only keep one :) |
| 19:45.44 | timeless_mbp | i think i'm @0.14 |
| 19:47.02 | lbt | timeless_mbp: we're not that fast ;) 0.14 is latest |
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| 19:47.29 | timeless_mbp | lbt: well.. i want newer packages :) |
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| 19:47.40 | johnsq | build them! |
| 19:47.40 | timeless_mbp | Downloading: Norge (7/21) |
| 19:47.43 | tibob | timeless, Stskeeps - thank you, I will compile my own packages |
| 19:47.44 | lbt | shiney syndrome.... |
| 19:48.18 | timeless_mbp | tibob: probably not the proper recourse, but... |
| 19:48.48 | lbt | timeless_mbp: we just made a :Testing if you want to burn yourself.... |
| 19:49.06 | tibob | timeless - I'll try to set up a repository for other geeks like who want to code directly on the tablet... |
| 19:49.18 | tibob | one rpository more... yeah :-) |
| 19:49.26 | lbt | tibob: Diablo? |
| 19:49.35 | tibob | lbt - yes |
| 19:49.38 | johnsq | I have installed gentoo todo this. |
| 19:49.44 | lbt | why not run Mer? |
| 19:49.52 | lbt | apt-get install * will work |
| 19:50.00 | tibob | lbt - why shoult I not run mer ? ;-) |
| 19:50.25 | lbt | there are no reasons that you shouldn't not run Mer |
| 19:50.29 | tibob | lbt - I ran it in virtualbox, looks promising |
| 19:50.46 | tibob | OK, I'll try 0.14 now |
| 19:50.50 | timeless_mbp | lbt: is there stuff there fuel there? |
| 19:51.03 | lbt | then you have apt-get install autoconf gcc |
| 19:51.32 | timeless_mbp | oh wow, generator fail |
| 19:51.38 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ENEEDFUD |
| 19:52.02 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: did i get you that repo? |
| 19:52.05 | lbt | timeless_mbp: have you had too much sugar? |
| 19:52.05 | sneakret | Is there really no OBEX support in Diablo? |
| 19:52.19 | timeless_mbp | lbt: haven't eaten since maybe 1pm, it's 11pm |
| 19:52.32 | lbt | breathe |
| 19:52.32 | timeless_mbp | lbt: anyway, is there some fuel in Testing i can burn? |
| 19:52.47 | Stskeeps | let me just check if Testing is built yet |
| 19:52.55 | zek152 | is there a way to connect to hidden wireless networks that use wpa? |
| 19:53.33 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: you can probably change Stable to Testing in your apt/sources.list.d/mer.list |
| 19:53.37 | Stskeeps | and apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:53.42 | Stskeeps | no guarantees it'll work |
| 19:53.42 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: yeah did that |
| 19:53.45 | timeless_mbp | it seems to do something |
| 19:53.45 | Stskeeps | i didnt test it yet |
| 19:54.02 | timeless_mbp | should have created a virtualbox rollback point |
| 19:54.23 | timeless_mbp | zek152: hidden networks, sure |
| 19:54.28 | timeless_mbp | wpa um... probably |
| 19:54.31 | timeless_mbp | hates acronyms |
| 19:54.37 | Stskeeps | a lump sum pay out of £500,000.00 GBP(Five Hundred Thousand GBP)' |
| 19:54.40 | Stskeeps | er. |
| 19:54.50 | timeless_mbp | spam in your clipboard? |
| 19:54.54 | sneakret | zek152, I connect to a hidden network using WPA all the time, I think. |
| 19:55.08 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: yeah, 'We are pleased to inform you of the result of the Nokia Promotions Program' |
| 19:55.10 | lbt | he's selling Mer!!!! |
| 19:55.12 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 19:55.45 | lcuk | can i have a pint of mer please |
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| 19:55.56 | lbt | at those prices? |
| 19:56.19 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: hey, the theme picker doesn't crash anymore! |
| 19:56.22 | zek152 | http://www.itap.purdue.edu/airlink/setup/winxp.cfm . Is a link to the instructions for using winxp to get onto the network I am trying to connect to. How would i go about getting on it? |
| 19:56.34 | zek152 | Any help would be much appreaciated |
| 19:56.42 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: I know :P |
| 19:56.50 | lcuk | i would guess you could get on network by using winxp |
| 19:56.53 | timeless_mbp | glad to see it :) |
| 19:57.01 | qwerty12_N810 | fixed the stupid bugs I left in it :) |
| 19:57.20 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: when do i get the locale picker? |
| 19:57.31 | lbt | lcuk: http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/05/xi2-recipes-part-1.html |
| 19:57.33 | sneakret | If I have a desktop machine running Windows and want to get files to it via bluetooth, am I out of luck? |
| 19:57.44 | lbt | multi-touch X extensions... |
| 19:57.59 | johnsq | sneakret: bluetooth network than samba share |
| 19:58.02 | lbt | http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/06/xi2-recipies-part-2.html http://who-t.blogspot.com/2009/06/xi2-recipes-part-3.html |
| 19:58.15 | timeless_mbp | johnsq =~ s/than/then/ |
| 19:58.25 | sneakret | johnsq: The bluetooth network part is the problem. |
| 19:58.25 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: it's there, in that folder. I don't have the time to upload it to obs, perhaps you may be able to do so? :) |
| 19:58.34 | timeless_mbp | nah :) |
| 19:58.36 | lcuk | lbt kewl |
| 19:58.38 | timeless_mbp | did you get art for it ? :) |
| 19:59.12 | qwerty12_N810 | It has a plain blue flag in the control panel :P |
| 19:59.15 | sneakret | Can you point me at information on getting bluetooth networking going? Once that's solved, there are many protocols to choose from. |
| 19:59.20 | qwerty12_N810 | (sdk icons) |
| 19:59.20 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: that'll do |
| 20:00.04 | sneakret | I grabbed bluetooth-pan, but it seemed to want to talk to my modem. Maybe there's a way to change that... |
| 20:00.08 | sneakret | s/modem/phone/ |
| 20:00.25 | sneakret | Uh... thanks infobot. |
| 20:01.34 | timeless_mbp | konttori__: ukmp doesn't work on Mer :(~ |
| 20:01.44 | konttori__ | buu |
| 20:01.55 | konttori__ | which version? |
| 20:02.31 | timeless_mbp | 1.90.6 ? |
| 20:04.00 | timeless_mbp | webwizardry.net/~timeless/mer-ukmp.txt |
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| 20:05.58 | zek152 | I figured out how to get on the network. Nokia did a good job with the nokia n810. at this campus it takes a lot of work for people with linux to connect to the wireless and this device didnt need any additional files or programs! |
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| 20:06.41 | sneakret | zek152: Yeah, I've had great luck with the wifi support too. Not so great with bluetooth though. :( |
| 20:07.15 | tibob | lbt - are mer upgrades done by apt-get update/dist-upgrade or by reinstalling mer ? |
| 20:07.26 | Stskeeps | depends on how much we fuck it up |
| 20:07.30 | lbt | target is apt-get |
| 20:07.41 | zek152 | sneakret, no? well i guess thats not a problem for me since my next 3 years will be at this university where i will have internet almost anywhere. and i dont have the data plan to use my phone as a modem |
| 20:07.58 | johnsq | sneakret: http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_networking |
| 20:08.06 | lbt | tibob: from that PoV Mer will essentially be a Ubuntu/Debian install |
| 20:08.36 | suihkulokki | sneakret: n810 supports bluetooth internet over DUN, which vast majority of phones support |
| 20:09.48 | tibob | lbt - hmm I don't get it, but I should read more documentation. don't bother for now, thanks ;-) |
| 20:10.02 | lbt | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer |
| 20:10.14 | xnt14 | is away: gaming |
| 20:10.19 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me |
| 20:10.26 | timeless_mbp | i still need to figure out the vbox icon stuff |
| 20:14.25 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: don't suppose you ever figured out how to add a virtualbox OS icon? :) |
| 20:14.36 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: can't say i do |
| 20:16.51 | tibob | lbt - yes, I'm already reading it, thanks ;-) |
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| 20:18.16 | johnsq | wau infrared has 8m range. |
| 20:18.37 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: it seems like it's built into the Qt code :( |
| 20:18.41 | Stskeeps | .. infrared? |
| 20:19.13 | johnsq | Stskeeps: two diods at the audio connector |
| 20:19.27 | Stskeeps | which device are we speaking of? :P |
| 20:20.02 | johnsq | Stskeeps: http://goron.de/~johns/n810 at the end, n810 with selfmade IR transmitter. |
| 20:20.37 | Stskeeps | ah |
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| 20:21.10 | Stskeeps | cool |
| 20:21.32 | timeless_mbp | 5211 /* Fill in OS type icon dictionary. */ |
| 20:21.32 | timeless_mbp | 5212 static const char *kOSTypeIcons [][2] = |
| 20:21.34 | timeless_mbp | yuck |
| 20:21.36 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 20:21.38 | timeless_mbp | so unfriendly |
| 20:22.25 | sneakret | johnsq: Have you set up a bluetooth network between a Windows system and a NIT? I read that page and the bluetooth PAN page before I came here and asked about it. |
| 20:22.37 | sneakret | Unfortunately those pages don't seem to contain much actual information. |
| 20:22.40 | lcuk | johnsq, thats very cool and specific writup for 810 users :) post it in talk.maemo.org if you havent already :) |
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| 20:23.17 | johnsq | lcuk: I have no account there. |
| 20:23.31 | johnsq | sneakret: I started but than used usb network. |
| 20:23.43 | lcuk | make one :) you're hacking will be welcomed :) |
| 20:23.48 | sneakret | Yeah. I might end up doing that too. :) |
| 20:23.58 | lcuk | your |
| 20:24.00 | sneakret | but bluetooth would definitely be more convenient |
| 20:24.40 | sneakret | Any idea what sort of removable flash memory the new NIT is gonna take? I was disappointed to lose support for SD cards when I went from the N800 to the N810. |
| 20:25.00 | johnsq | sneakret: my problem was the new bluetooth stack on linux bluez 4.xx |
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| 20:25.29 | timeless_mbp | sneakret: on average, we try to share components w/ other parts of Nokia |
| 20:25.34 | timeless_mbp | it reduces cost per component |
| 20:25.37 | johnsq | lcuk: it should work with n8x0 also, it also runs on my laptop. |
| 20:25.51 | lcuk | yeah i read the article last week |
| 20:25.51 | timeless_mbp | which means you should be able to get a good guess by looking to see what other nokia products include |
| 20:25.59 | lcuk | excellent that someone followed it through :) |
| 20:26.12 | qwerty12_N810 | timeless_mbp: it shows when watching videos on the N8x0 :) |
| 20:26.15 | timeless_mbp | if most nokia products included 5 1/4" floppy drives, we would too :) |
| 20:26.20 | sneakret | timeless_mbp: That's understandable, but doesn't directly answer my question. |
| 20:26.28 | timeless_mbp | sneakret: obviously i can't answer it :) |
| 20:26.32 | sneakret | OK. :) |
| 20:26.49 | timeless_mbp | but i love offering useless perls of wisdom :) |
| 20:26.54 | timeless_mbp | common sense is quite valuable |
| 20:27.06 | timeless_mbp | and sadly very uncommon |
| 20:27.22 | timeless_mbp | qwerty12_N810: i didn't say i like the people who do purchasing :) |
| 20:27.30 | timeless_mbp | historically we haven't had any access to them, that changed this month |
| 20:27.44 | timeless_mbp | but that obviously couldn't affect a product that was already in the pipeline |
| 20:28.03 | lbt | I think they should use AA batteries |
| 20:28.11 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 20:28.18 | lcuk | sage idea |
| 20:28.23 | lbt | don't laugh :( |
| 20:28.53 | lbt | or maybe a battery pack : http://cpc.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/BT0286006-40.jpg |
| 20:28.57 | lcuk | sneakret, always available, you could even put charging circuit directly in device still with no change |
| 20:28.59 | sneakret | The N800 is thinner than AA batteries' diameter. I like it that way. |
| 20:29.21 | lcuk | the 810 at least is |
| 20:29.26 | lcuk | i think you could get em in 800 |
| 20:29.27 | lbt | wouldn't die after a couple of days and I'd have spares in my UPS :D |
| 20:29.32 | sneakret | er... I meant N810. |
| 20:29.42 | jaska | use a rtg?:) |
| 20:29.50 | lcuk | ok, buttoncells! |
| 20:29.50 | sneakret | The N800 could actually hold AA batteries, I guess. |
| 20:30.22 | sneakret | Yeah. 2016! I can get those cheap! :) |
| 20:30.27 | lcuk | jaska, i would happily carry an rtg device if they could be sold in correct form factor |
| 20:30.40 | jaska | ditto :) |
| 20:31.00 | lcuk | fuelcells powered by booze are quite good |
| 20:31.03 | GAN8001 | lbt, cylinders are space-inefficient here. |
| 20:31.06 | lcuk | and useful in stressful situations |
| 20:31.10 | b-man16 | lol |
| 20:31.27 | lbt | put them at the edges and have pillar architecture... |
| 20:31.41 | b-man16 | a whole new definition to dui's |
| 20:31.41 | lcuk | sod that, proper rollout scroll type |
| 20:31.43 | lbt | Roman-esque look |
| 20:31.45 | b-man16 | ;) |
| 20:31.47 | lcuk | use the batteries themselves as support |
| 20:31.54 | lbt | yeah, rollable displays |
| 20:32.11 | sneakret | I wonder if booze cells would violate open container laws. :) |
| 20:32.14 | lcuk | Stskeeps has a proptype ;) |
| 20:32.22 | lcuk | sneakret, only if its open |
| 20:32.41 | b-man16 | lol |
| 20:32.44 | lcuk | quick, cops, put the lid on and run memstresss |
| 20:32.55 | Macer | going buck wild in iran and north korea huh? |
| 20:33.09 | lcuk | "proptype" |
| 20:33.13 | sneakret | Where I live, I think "open" means "does not have the original seal" |
| 20:33.24 | lcuk | mmm i must remember to give the nokia more of my booze |
| 20:33.33 | sneakret | so if you open a bottle of wine then put the cork back in, it's still an open container |
| 20:33.34 | b-man16 | XD |
| 20:33.48 | b-man16 | probably |
| 20:33.50 | b-man16 | xD |
| 20:33.59 | lcuk | sneakret, what it if ran on butane gas then |
| 20:34.01 | Macer | new tobacco bill :) |
| 20:34.04 | lcuk | refillable like a lighter |
| 20:34.12 | lcuk | from a pressurized can |
| 20:34.17 | sneakret | Well, I was hoping booze cells would be a loophole for that law. :) |
| 20:34.29 | lcuk | donuts |
| 20:34.38 | Macer | wow.. obama going after big tobacco |
| 20:34.40 | Macer | lol |
| 20:34.44 | sneakret | "Officer, it's just to power my pocket death ray. Honest!" |
| 20:34.48 | lcuk | they allow cops to run for 8hours |
| 20:35.22 | sneakret | Butane powered NIT... awesome. |
| 20:35.29 | b-man16 | rofl |
| 20:35.31 | lcuk | sneakret, you cannot carry an open container, but you can carry a truck battery laden with highly corrosive acid.. |
| 20:35.44 | b-man16 | ~burn his n800 |
| 20:35.57 | lcuk | quick, put more coals on the n810, the screen is dimming |
| 20:36.08 | sneakret | Where can I read the latest public info on the next NIT? |
| 20:36.09 | b-man16 | lol |
| 20:36.24 | sneakret | re-enters consumer mode. |
| 20:36.27 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Fremantle |
| 20:36.35 | sneakret | Thanks. |
| 20:36.57 | lcuk | i assume thats latest |
| 20:37.13 | sneakret | Hmm... that's the software. What about the hardware? |
| 20:37.35 | lcuk | lbt, did you save johnx's post about the proto device |
| 20:37.39 | lcuk | after we came back form cph |
| 20:37.54 | lbt | in talk? |
| 20:37.58 | GAN8001 | ~rx-51 |
| 20:37.58 | infobot | rx-51 is, like, http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
| 20:38.16 | sneakret | Thanks. |
| 20:38.58 | sneakret | I'm sure the software blog changes much more often and will be more interesting to follow, but I also want to drool over the hardware. |
| 20:39.57 | lcuk | johnx gave a really nice overview of the prototype hardware we played with last month in copenhagen |
| 20:41.04 | sneakret | The FM transmitter will probably mean I'll have to buy one for my wife too. |
| 20:41.22 | lcuk | does she read tech pages? |
| 20:42.02 | sneakret | No, but she's bound to see me use that feature. |
| 20:42.17 | lcuk | nahhh dont give the game away |
| 20:42.28 | lcuk | if your favorite music just happens to invade the radio everytiem you are in the care |
| 20:42.30 | lcuk | -e |
| 20:42.33 | sneakret | I'd be thrilled to get her one. :) |
| 20:42.37 | lcuk | its just a lucky coincidence |
| 20:42.44 | lcuk | :D then good |
| 20:42.59 | sneakret | I'll gladly reward Nokia for a good set of features by buying more. |
| 20:43.01 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29270 |
| 20:43.04 | lcuk | thats johnx's post |
| 20:43.46 | sneakret | It's a good post. :) |
| 20:48.27 | sneakret | I'm looking forward to mypaint (or something similar) on the new device. :) |
| 20:49.17 | lcuk | :) im lookin forward to gettin liqbase back into proper shape :) |
| 20:50.38 | sneakret | My daughter likes liqbase. :) |
| 20:52.28 | lcuk | its getting even better now as well :) |
| 20:52.29 | lcuk | and my son spends hours there |
| 20:52.29 | lcuk | one of the biggest problems with original was tagging and categorizing stuff |
| 20:52.29 | lcuk | so jacobs things stay together |
| 20:52.35 | lcuk | i saw one of the key elements of the new framework working today :) |
| 20:52.38 | tibob | n8 all |
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| 20:52.50 | lcuk | i was sketching on one device and seeing results immediately live on the other |
| 20:53.51 | oespirit|away | lcuk: thats really awesome :) |
| 20:53.56 | oespirit|away | back |
| 20:54.05 | Robot101 | lcuk: tubes? :) |
| 20:54.27 | lcuk | oespirit, yeah tis - its complete mockup right now (sshfs) but when its live properly it will just talk to a web service |
| 20:54.30 | sneakret | lcuk: Oh, that'll be a HUGE hit at my house. We have an N800 and N810. |
| 20:54.41 | lcuk | and be visible on proper webpage to non nokia users |
| 20:55.04 | lcuk | sneakret, :) its a defined goal to make it run as well as possible on n8x0 devices :) |
| 20:55.14 | sneakret | Web service seems like a lot of overhead. |
| 20:55.27 | lcuk | its not :) |
| 20:55.30 | lcuk | just http upload |
| 20:55.31 | sneakret | Cool. |
| 20:55.35 | sneakret | Ah! |
| 20:55.36 | timeless_mbp | web services are cheap actually |
| 20:55.37 | sneakret | Clever. |
| 20:55.42 | lcuk | and the stuff is just for families anyway - the calendar is hand written |
| 20:55.49 | lcuk | just like the one on the wall in your kitchen |
| 20:55.50 | sneakret | Yeah, I hadn't thought of streaming the data that way. |
| 20:55.59 | lcuk | the sketches are very lightweight |
| 20:56.07 | oespirit | lcuk: At my univ, we have often discussed how awesome it would be to have a collaborative sketchpad where people across networks can scribble on - we have lustfully wished for it while discussing circuits /math stuff etc on chat/irc. |
| 20:56.14 | sneakret | I was thinking in terms of separate web service calls for each operation. |
| 20:56.21 | lcuk | oespirit, :) yes |
| 20:56.27 | oespirit | lcuk: this thing will really rock for students like us |
| 20:56.28 | lcuk | sketch chat is another possiblity |
| 20:56.35 | lcuk | with streaming half sized chat up one side |
| 20:56.40 | lcuk | and other half for responses |
| 20:57.06 | lcuk | the best part about liqbase is because its built from the smallest lightest components it should run on any spec machine |
| 20:57.21 | Robot101 | lcuk: couldn't you use telepathy to send the sketches around to participants of a group chat for example? |
| 20:57.28 | Robot101 | this could be some nice maemo / sugar cross-over |
| 20:57.35 | lcuk | i could, but telepathy is hard |
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| 20:57.43 | lcuk | ive never setup any im account on device |
| 20:57.44 | oespirit | lcuk: :) |
| 20:57.46 | lcuk | but i run mauku |
| 20:57.58 | lcuk | and other services similar |
| 20:58.10 | lcuk | they just talk to website |
| 20:58.12 | lcuk | it works |
| 20:58.14 | lcuk | its scalable |
| 20:58.21 | lcuk | and its open to other users who dont have im client |
| 20:58.46 | lcuk | i wanna take a pic with camera, scribble on the back as a postcard "hi mum, i saw this and thought of you" |
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| 20:59.12 | sneakret | oespirit: http://dabbleboard.com/ |
| 20:59.18 | lcuk | but she would never have an IM account |
| 20:59.27 | Robot101 | right, but there are different use-cases like what oespirit explains, if you have people who are doing real-time discussions like chat/voip, and you want to add a whiteboard feature there |
| 20:59.28 | lcuk | she goes on the web tho and has email |
| 20:59.37 | lcuk | easy |
| 20:59.40 | lcuk | even with web |
| 21:00.18 | lcuk | but thats not to say it couldnt happen |
| 21:00.21 | lcuk | im just not interested :) |
| 21:00.30 | sneakret | or ... http://www.groupboard.com/products/ |
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| 21:00.45 | lcuk | yeah, tis nothing new |
| 21:00.50 | lcuk | i did whiteboard years ago |
| 21:01.06 | Robot101 | I wrote an IRC whiteboard with mIRC scripting once :P |
| 21:01.07 | sneakret | lcuk: I'm not detracting from your effort. Just suggesting options for oespirit. |
| 21:01.08 | lcuk | its just in your hand that makes it fun |
| 21:01.15 | sneakret | Exactly. |
| 21:01.25 | sneakret | liqbase is totally different than those things. |
| 21:01.29 | lcuk | Robot101, i got kicked when i did live irc sketching a few months ago |
| 21:01.38 | sneakret | Hahaha. |
| 21:01.49 | sneakret | did it convert to ASCII art for the people not using the client? :) |
| 21:02.00 | lcuk | heh no but it should |
| 21:02.03 | Robot101 | well, you need to discover support before you send sketch events... :D |
| 21:02.10 | Robot101 | otherwise you get comic chat all over again |
| 21:02.17 | Robot101 | Appears as NOVICE. |
| 21:02.22 | Robot101 | [#NONSENSE] HEY GUYS |
| 21:02.27 | lcuk | Robot101, on web server i want a sketch forum |
| 21:02.34 | Robot101 | [#&*X*((WTF] whats up? |
| 21:02.35 | lcuk | with flash or just png views |
| 21:02.49 | lcuk | if browsed from the tablet it should just grab the raw liqsketch files |
| 21:02.59 | sneakret | Ugh. Comic Chat. |
| 21:03.17 | lcuk | Robot101, that happens now if you go into foreign language channels |
| 21:03.22 | lcuk | you just learn not to go there :P |
| 21:03.39 | sneakret | Haha. |
| 21:03.45 | Robot101 | this is something you'll never convince me is a good idea :) |
| 21:04.14 | Robot101 | XMPP and friends have different namespaces for different types of content |
| 21:04.20 | lcuk | sneakret, i just uploaded a very rough test build of the liqbase-playground to extras-devel, it should have hit by now, v 0.3.12 |
| 21:04.21 | Robot101 | IRC just shouldn't be used in that way |
| 21:04.57 | lcuk | heh Robot101 that sounds like a "plain text emails only" topic |
| 21:05.21 | sneakret | lcuk: Cool. I'll check it out this evening. :) |
| 21:05.25 | Robot101 | no, e-mail has a standard for embedding multiple content types |
| 21:05.52 | lcuk | :) |
| 21:06.03 | oespirit | sneakret: thanks for the links :) . lcuk, liqbase does have a speed advantage over existing stuff, if I am not mistaken ? |
| 21:06.19 | lcuk | about 20-30% :) and tear free |
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| 21:07.20 | lcuk | thats just in transfer overhead, add to that the lighter UI elements and its even more |
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| 21:08.33 | lcuk | hola lopz \o |
| 21:08.49 | lopz | hola |
| 21:08.59 | lcuk | beat you to it |
| 21:09.19 | lopz | xD |
| 21:09.21 | lopz | hi lcuk o7 |
| 21:09.48 | lcuk | ouch, you break your arm? :D |
| 21:10.16 | lcuk | Robot101, you know |
| 21:10.21 | lcuk | it might work nicely |
| 21:10.27 | lcuk | reconsiders |
| 21:10.50 | lcuk | theres no central server required if done over im - at least none from me |
| 21:11.01 | lcuk | its all covered by the im provider isnt it |
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| 21:26.57 | jeremiah | lcuk: Saw all you liqbase-playground packages got built by the autobuilder. |
| 21:27.04 | jeremiah | s/you/your |
| 21:27.35 | lcuk | yeah jeremiah and i think weve ironed out the last bits needed t oget it installed cleanly and running as intended :) |
| 21:28.16 | lcuk | i even think it would run nicely on fremantle :) |
| 21:29.04 | lcuk | remind me never ever ever tou touch debian folders again ;) |
| 21:29.09 | lcuk | apart from maintenance |
| 21:29.33 | jeremiah | awesome |
| 21:29.53 | jeremiah | You're going to learn to love the debian dir! |
| 21:30.28 | lcuk | i haven't got enough hair left |
| 21:30.33 | lcuk | im like homer now |
| 21:31.04 | jeremiah | heh |
| 21:32.44 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 21:54.45 | sneakret | Hmm... anyone know if Nokia has any plans to do anything to attract commercial application developers? |
| 21:54.55 | sneakret | (like an app store) |
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| 21:55.27 | b-man16 | doesn't like paied apps |
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| 21:59.31 | lcuk | sneakret, the current devices support paid and suscription apps now, i have no problems using free software to connect and/or require a subscription for data updates. |
| 21:59.46 | lcuk | so even if a free open source app store opened it could still attract commercial development |
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| 22:08.31 | roope | sneakret: There's the Ovi Store, of course. |
| 22:08.56 | lcuk | hiya roope \o |
| 22:09.12 | roope | Hiya. Although nothing has been yet announced in terms of Maemo, I think. |
| 22:09.34 | lcuk | ooh, next tablet runnin x60 then :D |
| 22:09.39 | lcuk | s |
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| 22:14.47 | GAN8001 | Hopefully the Maemo deployment is less utterly sucktastic |
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| 22:16.44 | GAN8001 | Ovi Store has somehow actually managed to make my Symbian experience worse |
| 22:17.01 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:17.23 | Robot101 | lcuk: yeah, the telepathy stuff is all peer to peer |
| 22:17.33 | GAN800 | A search for 'flight' brings up one that only works for Signapore and one that only works on a few of the largest airlines. |
| 22:17.35 | Robot101 | anyone who has an IM account, which is anyone who has a gmail account, which is everyone, can use it... |
| 22:17.41 | lcuk | Robot101, then thats a feather in its cap :) |
| 22:17.58 | Robot101 | and if not you can get accounts on jabber.org or any other server at the click of a button |
| 22:18.13 | Robot101 | also it works over LANs in the same way |
| 22:18.17 | GAN800 | Both of which seem to be in ugly, horrifying Java and are as slow as they could possibly be. |
| 22:18.37 | lcuk | are there (really) simple getting started guides for the lib, ive got loads of other things on and cant really get bogged down in something else |
| 22:18.42 | Robot101 | you can swap out the XMPP backend with the link-local one and find the people nearby |
| 22:18.52 | Robot101 | we started on a telepathy-book but its incomplete atm :/ |
| 22:18.54 | lcuk | ie - at the mo theres loads of simple straight forward socket ones |
| 22:18.58 | lcuk | no need for a book |
| 22:19.14 | lcuk | small tiny working example with descriptions of whats goin on would suffice |
| 22:19.31 | Robot101 | http://people.collabora.co.uk/~davyd/telepathy-book/ has some examples |
| 22:19.33 | Robot101 | gotta run, bbl |
| 22:19.38 | lcuk | ok ta \o |
| 22:28.25 | lcuk | Robot101, take a look at liqbase-playground on your machine (its in extras-devel) it might just work with it (replace my static thumbnails of users with real ppl :)) |
| 22:29.38 | timelyN81 | General, heh |
| 22:30.43 | timelyN81 | General, well, i believe we don't support java, so that might help :-) |
| 22:32.51 | GAN800 | Let's hope. |
| 22:33.19 | GAN800 | Still, one can sort of appreciate Apple'd gatekeeping after seeing the shit on Ovi. |
| 22:33.51 | lcuk | wasnt it more a case of decent clean framework available from apple with no history, so they set the standard |
| 22:34.18 | lcuk | once you have good apps in there they will push out the crap |
| 22:34.23 | lcuk | and keep it out |
| 22:34.52 | timelyN81 | No |
| 22:35.19 | lcuk | what then |
| 22:36.15 | timelyN81 | Depends on how rankings work |
| 22:36.32 | timelyN81 | And searching |
| 22:37.08 | lcuk | but once good apps take off and become the "buzz" the rest become insignificant |
| 22:37.19 | lcuk | im sure there are are real shite apps on iphone |
| 22:37.23 | lcuk | but no1 remembers them |
| 22:38.20 | timelyN81 | Well, you're assuming a huge number of applicationi |
| 22:38.55 | lcuk | yeah, apple has that now, as much crap as ovi is getting, it will find its balance and will start to work and stuff |
| 22:39.34 | timelyN81 | Did you ever use nokia's Download! ? |
| 22:39.57 | lcuk | that would imply i own (a) a nokia phone, and (b) one that actually does anything more than call |
| 22:40.06 | lcuk | nokias are reliable and phone first :) |
| 22:40.29 | timelyN81 | Just asking :) |
| 22:40.38 | lcuk | i know you have |
| 22:40.43 | lcuk | and ive heard the problems lots have had |
| 22:40.54 | lcuk | theres always v2 and v3 etc - it will come |
| 22:41.13 | timelyN81 | I'll use anything once or twice |
| 22:41.44 | timelyN81 | That isn't an endorsement |
| 22:42.03 | lcuk | heh |
| 22:43.17 | timelyN81 | My chief complaint about apple's store is its insistance on sending a Finnish license agreement to my English user agent |
| 22:44.20 | timelyN81 | No point in worrying about nokia, their English is incomprehensible |
| 22:46.32 | timelyN81 | I'm not a lawyer, but i'm used to legalese. And in working groups, i'm one the people who poke at the fine print |
| 22:47.55 | lcuk | thats a bit troublesome, there must be a better way to do it |
| 22:48.12 | lcuk | how comfortable is the desktop app to use |
| 22:48.16 | timelyN81 | Licenses? |
| 22:48.18 | lcuk | ie nokia itunes |
| 22:48.20 | lcuk | everything |
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| 22:49.15 | lcuk | its an important component in peoples lives, its nice to be able to do everything on their devices, but its important to have desktop presence too |
| 22:49.55 | timelyN81 | Well, lasti checked, ovi.com's root page had 11 flash instances |
| 22:50.10 | lcuk | *cringe* |
| 22:50.32 | timelyN81 | I'm not brave enough to proceed |
| 22:50.37 | lcuk | hah |
| 22:50.59 | timelyN81 | I've heard some devices fail to login |
| 22:51.00 | lcuk | ive heard stories of needing to enter phone number, activate via message enter code again and finally download |
| 22:51.49 | lcuk | would be nice if we could just use the wifi and connect/authenticate to desktop app and get that ridiculous scenario out of the way |
| 22:52.20 | timelyN81 | Eh? |
| 22:52.53 | lcuk | ill try to find link |
| 22:53.02 | lcuk | people having troubles linking phones with downloads |
| 22:59.41 | lcuk | timelyN81, it was people trying to download the store app onto their phones themselves, slight mismemory. |
| 22:59.54 | lcuk | im goin codin anyhoo \o cya later |
| 23:00.03 | timelyN81 | Ovi? |
| 23:00.06 | lcuk | yeah |
| 23:00.22 | timelyN81 | User error ;-) |
| 23:00.53 | jeremiah | EUSERFAIL |
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| 23:27.13 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 23:27.16 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2h 51m 7s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 23:27.26 | xnt14 | damn, just missed him xD |
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| 23:41.16 | FireFox16 | hi |
| 23:41.34 | FireFox16 | xnt14, i'm here xD |
| 23:41.43 | xnt14 | oh xDDDDDD |
| 23:41.45 | xnt14 | brb |
| 23:41.52 | FireFox16 | xD |
| 23:43.29 | FireFox16 | brb |
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| 23:46.36 | xnt14 | im back |
| 23:51.50 | FireFox16 | i'm back |
| 23:51.53 | FireFox16 | xD |
