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| 00:21.55 | ae_ | Hey can someone have a look at http://pastebin.com/m495c3bf6, i get this when i run af-sb-init.sh start. just installed maemo 5 sdk |
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| 01:06.42 | tds5016 | hey. does anoyne know how to set the background color in pygtk? |
| 01:06.48 | tds5016 | background color for a radio button* |
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| 01:56.47 | b-man16 | brings his 5 month old ubuntu install back from the dead.... again xD |
| 01:56.53 | zakkm1 | eww |
| 01:56.56 | zakkm1 | ubuntu |
| 01:57.06 | b-man16 | lol |
| 01:57.25 | b-man16 | it's been sitting on my n800 since January 21 |
| 01:57.31 | zakkm1 | ahh on tablet |
| 01:57.33 | zakkm1 | thats okay then :D |
| 01:57.36 | zakkm1 | thought desktop |
| 01:57.57 | zakkm1 | wow |
| 01:58.20 | zakkm1 | stopped working on your ubuntu port? |
| 01:58.21 | b-man16 | can't believe that it's still fully functional |
| 01:58.30 | b-man16 | kinda |
| 01:58.56 | b-man16 | still has a backup of everything - including the repo |
| 01:59.37 | b-man16 | i could upload it to b-man.xceleo.org and have everything up again |
| 02:05.56 | xnt14 | guys, he rebooting |
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| 02:09.06 | xnt14 | xD |
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| 03:08.04 | xnt14 | runs nano nano.c |
| 03:08.19 | xnt14 | lol, using nano to edit nano :P |
| 03:08.22 | xnt14 | irony |
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| 03:16.47 | killerboy | hello |
| 03:17.00 | killerboy | i need help with running SDK |
| 03:17.35 | killerboy | i tried vmware image already and failed too :-( could you help me? |
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| 03:19.17 | zakkm | killerboy: sorry, dont know anything sdk related |
| 03:19.33 | killerboy | i get this error: SBOX CPUTRANSPARENCY METHOD not set |
| 03:20.28 | zakkm | does it stop? |
| 03:20.37 | zakkm | that just sounds more like a warning |
| 03:21.05 | zakkm | killerboy: found this http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-0.9.7/usage/transparency.html |
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| 03:21.35 | zakkm | killerboy: or this http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/cpu-transparency-guide.html |
| 03:25.12 | killerboy | thanks |
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| 03:40.01 | killerboy | hooray, it works, thanks for all |
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| 05:37.33 | freenose | Hi, are there other terminals beside the default? |
| 05:37.44 | Stskeeps | roxterm |
| 05:37.51 | freenose | st |
| 05:38.10 | zakkm | freenose: roxterm has nice hildonization , works nicely on tablet.. but alot can be installed through apt-get |
| 05:38.18 | freenose | do you how to use the tab key from roxterm? |
| 05:38.52 | freenose | pageup/down etc |
| 05:38.54 | zakkm | theres no physical button? |
| 05:39.03 | zakkm | what about menu? |
| 05:39.27 | freenose | menu? |
| 05:39.37 | zakkm | menu key? |
| 05:39.45 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: there's not even physical buttons for numbers, let alone tab/pgup/pgdn |
| 05:39.46 | zakkm | file,edit, view etc |
| 05:39.56 | zakkm | i havent used maemo roxterm |
| 05:40.36 | freenose | default term has those functions on screen |
| 05:40.41 | zakkm | Luke-Jr: how goes gentoo? :) |
| 05:41.16 | zakkm | freenose: guess the maintainer had a n810 ;p with a real keyboard |
| 05:41.37 | zakkm | page up and down you should have scrollbar, and i dont think alot of ppl do tab completion |
| 05:42.03 | zakkm | if you mean like going to previous commands.. you have the actual up and down on the d-pad |
| 05:42.15 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: PgUp/PgDn/Tab aren't on a N810 |
| 05:42.32 | zakkm | ive never even seen a n810 in person |
| 05:42.38 | Luke-Jr | and who DOESN'T use tab completion? |
| 05:42.40 | zakkm | i just know the basic look |
| 05:42.46 | zakkm | well i didnt until like a day ago? |
| 05:42.50 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: N810 doesn't have number keys |
| 05:42.58 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: but you're a n00b |
| 05:43.03 | zakkm | no im not |
| 05:43.04 | freenose | tab is pretty useful, I'll stick with default term |
| 05:43.11 | zakkm | im a desktop linux genius ;p |
| 05:43.26 | zakkm | i was going to make a gentoo port ages ago, but ppl told me it wasnt worth it |
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| 05:43.34 | zakkm | like over a year ago |
| 05:43.38 | zakkm | before the start of mer and everything |
| 05:43.44 | Luke-Jr | if true, you'd use tab completion all the time |
| 05:43.49 | zakkm | no |
| 05:43.52 | zakkm | ive always typed fast |
| 05:44.00 | zakkm | when i was like 9 i typed 80wpm |
| 05:44.27 | zakkm | used gentoo for along time too |
| 05:44.42 | zakkm | wow that is sick |
| 05:44.42 | Luke-Jr | 80wpm isn't that fast.. |
| 05:44.46 | zakkm | at 9 years old? |
| 05:44.48 | Luke-Jr | and tab completion is always faster |
| 05:44.57 | zakkm | 9 years old.. not a teenager/adult |
| 05:44.57 | Luke-Jr | what does age have to do with it? |
| 05:45.00 | zakkm | alot? |
| 05:45.04 | zakkm | are you serious? |
| 05:45.14 | zakkm | 9 years old, most people are just learning to type |
| 05:45.19 | zakkm | thats 3rd grade. |
| 05:45.20 | Luke-Jr | not nerds |
| 05:45.23 | Luke-Jr | nerds are writing programs |
| 05:45.28 | zakkm | at 9? |
| 05:45.30 | freenose | well how about the to 18 or something between 16 and 24 |
| 05:45.31 | Luke-Jr | I was. |
| 05:45.33 | zakkm | well im not a nerd thank you very much |
| 05:45.37 | zakkm | not back then anyways :D |
| 05:45.39 | freenose | setting the font |
| 05:46.03 | zakkm | freenose: i dont know man, i dont use roxterm sadly, or n810 for that matter |
| 05:46.08 | Luke-Jr | freenose: uh, 16pt would be HUGE on a tablet |
| 05:46.09 | zakkm | font would probably be in menu though |
| 05:46.11 | zakkm | in settings |
| 05:46.51 | freenose | luke in default term is set to 16 and is ti small |
| 05:46.54 | zakkm | preferences - edit current proflile - font in general tab |
| 05:47.01 | zakkm | but thats roxterm ubuntu .. not maemo |
| 05:47.25 | Luke-Jr | 16pt means 9 lines if you fill the full height of the tablet.. |
| 05:47.47 | zakkm | Luke-Jr: you know what i found nice, would be really nice on a n810 actually cause of physical keyboard... dillo browser |
| 05:48.00 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: pfft |
| 05:48.04 | Luke-Jr | N810's keyboard sucks |
| 05:48.12 | zakkm | freenose: you can try the "low volume/ high volume" physical buttons on the nokia |
| 05:48.36 | zakkm | lol i want a smartq5 :) |
| 05:48.53 | Luke-Jr | me too |
| 05:49.01 | Luke-Jr | but the N810 alone is chewing up time :/ |
| 05:49.11 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:49.12 | Luke-Jr | been reverse engineering BME for like 50 hours straight now |
| 05:49.18 | zakkm | hehh |
| 05:49.19 | zakkm | why? |
| 05:49.22 | Luke-Jr | ⦠|
| 05:49.25 | Luke-Jr | it's a blob |
| 05:49.31 | Luke-Jr | must be reverse engineered! |
| 05:49.31 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:49.36 | zakkm | what exactly is bme? |
| 05:49.37 | Luke-Jr | and replaced |
| 05:49.41 | Luke-Jr | battery charging daemon |
| 05:49.52 | zakkm | hehh |
| 05:50.01 | zakkm | for battery meter? |
| 05:50.07 | Luke-Jr | no -.- |
| 05:50.14 | Luke-Jr | it actually charges the battery |
| 05:50.23 | Luke-Jr | if it doesn't run, your battery doesn't charge |
| 05:50.29 | zakkm | really? |
| 05:50.33 | Luke-Jr | if you kill it the wrong way, your battery melts down |
| 05:50.39 | Corsac | nice |
| 05:50.39 | zakkm | lies |
| 05:50.44 | Luke-Jr | ask Stskeeps :þ |
| 05:50.48 | zakkm | thats weird |
| 05:50.56 | Luke-Jr | he thinks I'm asking for an explosion |
| 05:51.06 | zakkm | a device should get power with or without a daemon |
| 05:51.10 | zakkm | hardware and software are different |
| 05:51.17 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: there's logic to control charging |
| 05:51.37 | Luke-Jr | charging isn't a simple matter |
| 05:51.39 | Luke-Jr | unless it's SLOW |
| 05:51.42 | zakkm | but its hardware, an OS couldnt block battery charging? |
| 05:51.49 | Luke-Jr | fast charging causes meltdowns if you don't stop early |
| 05:52.06 | zakkm | lol you trying to increasecharging speeds? |
| 05:52.07 | Luke-Jr | the BME daemon tells the hardware what to do |
| 05:52.12 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 05:52.15 | Luke-Jr | just replace BME for now |
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| 05:52.22 | Luke-Jr | I'll let you tweak the algorithms ;) |
| 05:52.54 | Luke-Jr | actually, most of the code so far has seemed unrelated |
| 05:52.57 | Luke-Jr | liek talking to DSME |
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| 05:53.08 | freenose | my 16pt font size must be f@"! up |
| 05:53.12 | zakkm | its a good thing your doing it and not i |
| 05:53.19 | zakkm | freenose: lol |
| 05:53.21 | zakkm | switch to mer :D |
| 05:53.30 | Luke-Jr | no, Gentoo! |
| 05:53.46 | zakkm | i support gentoo on a desktop |
| 05:53.52 | zakkm | and server, depending |
| 05:53.56 | freenose | gentoo on the n810' |
| 05:53.56 | zakkm | but on a tablet? |
| 05:54.10 | freenose | ? |
| 05:54.11 | zakkm | i first thoguht ahh that'll be cool can tweak it, nice small filesizes, would be fast |
| 05:54.21 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: works pretty ncie |
| 05:54.33 | zakkm | Luke-Jr: do you run lowmem flag on apps?? |
| 05:54.39 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: what? |
| 05:54.45 | zakkm | in make.conf |
| 05:54.48 | Luke-Jr | no such flag |
| 05:54.49 | zakkm | use flag.. sorry |
| 05:54.57 | zakkm | im trying to think of proper name |
| 05:55.00 | Luke-Jr | -Os helps a bit |
| 05:55.03 | zakkm | nonono |
| 05:55.06 | zakkm | thats not a use flag -.- |
| 05:55.11 | Luke-Jr | there is no use flag |
| 05:55.12 | zakkm | thats a cflag |
| 05:55.24 | zakkm | no like you know when theres all the useflags.. enable this disable that |
| 05:55.28 | Luke-Jr | duh |
| 05:55.33 | zakkm | some of them have one.. that are like sets of choices |
| 05:55.35 | Luke-Jr | but those don't have anything to do with mem |
| 05:55.38 | freenose | wants a iphone to ditch this n810 ;) |
| 05:55.41 | zakkm | yes it does |
| 05:55.43 | Luke-Jr | freenose: FAIL |
| 05:55.46 | zakkm | gosh ill find the proper name ;p |
| 05:55.46 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: no |
| 05:55.58 | Luke-Jr | there's "minimal" but that usually affects functionality |
| 05:56.09 | zakkm | yes thats it |
| 05:56.10 | zakkm | ! |
| 05:56.15 | zakkm | thats what i was thinking of |
| 05:56.26 | freenose | Luke-Jr: why? |
| 05:56.34 | zakkm | its been over like a year and a half since i touched gentoo |
| 05:56.34 | Luke-Jr | freenose: iPhone is suck |
| 05:56.37 | freenose | can do the same |
| 05:56.41 | zakkm | ahh 2 years |
| 05:56.44 | Luke-Jr | no way |
| 05:56.48 | Luke-Jr | iPhone can barely boot |
| 05:57.27 | freenose | hmmm |
| 05:57.48 | Luke-Jr | http://www.iphonelinux.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 05:57.48 | zakkm | what do you use for music playing? |
| 05:57.50 | Luke-Jr | look at status |
| 05:57.51 | zakkm | i cant find a good one :( |
| 05:57.55 | Luke-Jr | no green at all |
| 05:57.57 | freenose | I just need a good ssh clienr device |
| 05:57.58 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: mplayer |
| 05:58.02 | zakkm | eww iphonelinux? |
| 05:58.08 | zakkm | why not use normal ipod |
| 05:58.13 | Luke-Jr | zakkm: uh, fail x2 |
| 05:58.14 | zakkm | it supports unix stuff |
| 05:58.15 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:58.17 | Stskeeps | freenose: n810 is about the best on the market |
| 05:58.19 | Luke-Jr | Apple crap is proprietary |
| 05:58.27 | zakkm | i built ipod firmware with openssh.. |
| 05:58.29 | zakkm | and apache and such |
| 05:58.29 | Luke-Jr | pfft, SmartQ5 > N810 |
| 05:58.40 | zakkm | smartq7 -.- |
| 05:58.46 | Luke-Jr | 7 doesn't fit in your pocket |
| 05:58.53 | Luke-Jr | thus useless |
| 05:58.54 | Luke-Jr | :D |
| 05:58.55 | zakkm | that big |
| 05:58.57 | zakkm | dang |
| 05:59.11 | zakkm | that techcrunch one is cool :D |
| 05:59.20 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: zakkm doesn't believe software can meltdown battery |
| 05:59.21 | zakkm | apparently they came with proper prototypes and such |
| 05:59.35 | zakkm | i didnt say that |
| 05:59.52 | zakkm | i said bme software cant stop a battery from charging |
| 05:59.56 | zakkm | you said meltdown after i said it |
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| 05:59.59 | Luke-Jr | of course it can |
| 06:00.09 | Luke-Jr | it can also start it, which is the point |
| 06:00.38 | zakkm | i still remember the good days of rockbox :D |
| 06:00.38 | Stskeeps | zakkm: there's a circuit inside the batteries for good measure |
| 06:00.58 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: there is? |
| 06:01.01 | zakkm | yeah to prevent overheat, melting and overvoltage |
| 06:01.08 | Luke-Jr | wtf are you trying to tell me about explosions then? |
| 06:01.08 | zakkm | not to let a app control it / stop it fromc harging |
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| 06:02.03 | zakkm | Luke-Jr: just because theres a circuit doesnt mean it does that task or to that extreme |
| 06:02.13 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: because coders don't test everything beyond their own specs |
| 06:02.33 | zakkm | there are things in actual plugs too |
| 06:02.36 | zakkm | the part you plug in |
| 06:02.46 | zakkm | but plugs can still catch on fire and such |
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| 06:03.14 | zakkm | laptops can explode heh always love those news posts |
| 06:03.42 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: think I'd be infringing on IPR by posting graphviz graphs of BME function calls? |
| 06:04.05 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: no clue |
| 06:04.23 | zakkm | Stskeeps: what you use for music in mer? |
| 06:04.34 | Luke-Jr | better not then |
| 06:05.20 | Stskeeps | zakkm: nothing atm |
| 06:05.36 | Stskeeps | i would probably just use vagalume and canola |
| 06:05.37 | zakkm | cant get a good one for mer :( |
| 06:05.38 | freenose | what is mer? |
| 06:05.45 | zakkm | freenose: worlds greatest tablet OS |
| 06:05.49 | zakkm | dont listen to luke-jr :D |
| 06:07.28 | Stskeeps | freenose: re xterm, you are aware you can use zoom buttons in osso-xterm? :P |
| 06:07.52 | zakkm | zoom omg thats what its called |
| 06:08.05 | zakkm | zakkm [1:48]: freenose: you can try the "low volume/ high volume" physical buttons on the nokia |
| 06:08.39 | freenose | looks for osso xterm |
| 06:08.45 | Stskeeps | freenose: "X-Terminal" :P |
| 06:08.52 | Stskeeps | the package name is osso-xterm so |
| 06:08.53 | zakkm | osso xterm = builtin one |
| 06:09.21 | zakkm | stskeeps: whats with mer and the processing triggers for libc6.. ldconfig deferred processing now taking place |
| 06:09.30 | zakkm | stsys there for like 5-10min everytime i apt-get |
| 06:09.41 | freenose | ah ok, yeah that is what I'm using rigth now |
| 06:09.42 | zakkm | and its taking 100 cpu too |
| 06:09.43 | Stskeeps | zakkm: docpurge being a bit slow, qwerty12 has fixed it now |
| 06:09.50 | zakkm | 0.14 ? |
| 06:09.55 | zakkm | thats docpurge? |
| 06:09.58 | Stskeeps | it'll be 0.15 |
| 06:10.07 | Stskeeps | you can probably grab a fresh package from OBS |
| 06:10.09 | zakkm | ldconfig / libc6 triggers = docpurge? |
| 06:10.22 | zakkm | is that gtkhtml fixed yet, so i can go from 0.13 to 0.14 ? |
| 06:10.22 | zakkm | :D |
| 06:10.29 | freenose | Stskeeps: my only problem is the font, 16pt is to small, 24 is to big |
| 06:10.31 | zakkm | could i skip it? |
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| 06:10.42 | Stskeeps | freenose: you can get new fonts, for instance droid sans |
| 06:10.54 | Stskeeps | zakkm: any installation triggers docpurge |
| 06:11.00 | zakkm | dang |
| 06:11.18 | zakkm | i like easymer, makes my perfect thing |
| 06:11.20 | qwerty12_N810 | you can remove its trigger from /etc/apt/ |
| 06:11.21 | freenose | hmm ok |
| 06:11.32 | zakkm | would it still work okay? |
| 06:11.42 | zakkm | docpurge = manpages right? |
| 06:11.49 | qwerty12_N810 | apt'd run; docpurge not |
| 06:11.51 | zakkm | like documents of it? |
| 06:12.27 | qwerty12_N810 | docpurge nukes manpages and files found in /usr/share/doc and some other place |
| 06:12.52 | zakkm | hows that bugged? |
| 06:12.59 | freenose | Stskeeps: there is no way to set monospace between 16 and 24? |
| 06:13.03 | zakkm | isnt it rm -rf /usr/share/doc .... |
| 06:13.08 | Stskeeps | freenose: not sure |
| 06:13.10 | Stskeeps | zakkm: nah |
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| 06:13.16 | Stskeeps | zakkm: go through every file, zero it |
| 06:13.19 | Stskeeps | else upgrades fuck up |
| 06:13.19 | qwerty12_N810 | no. |
| 06:13.26 | zakkm | zero it? |
| 06:13.30 | zakkm | doesnt just remove it? |
| 06:13.33 | zakkm | zero out? |
| 06:13.36 | Stskeeps | truncate |
| 06:13.47 | Stskeeps | reason why is that package upgrades using diversions fuck up otherwise |
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| 06:15.10 | thux | morning |
| 06:17.10 | zakkm | wait is there thumb keyboard in mer yet? |
| 06:17.29 | Stskeeps | no, feel free to code one |
| 06:17.40 | zakkm | wish i could |
| 06:17.46 | zakkm | im no help to mer as a coder |
| 06:20.36 | thux | Stskeeps: why nobody cares mer virtual-keyboard? has all mer users 810 device? |
| 06:21.01 | zakkm | theres stylus, i guess some like it ;p |
| 06:21.17 | Stskeeps | thux: oh, we do care about it, just that we don't have many GTK experts |
| 06:21.29 | Stskeeps | thux: we just greatly improved our on screen keyboard with him-arabic |
| 06:21.37 | zakkm | what changed? |
| 06:21.50 | zakkm | isnt the him-arabic just language addons? |
| 06:22.01 | Stskeeps | possibility of easy-to-add keyboard layouts and a engine for making different type of layouts |
| 06:22.31 | thux | ok. |
| 06:22.39 | zakkm | wow the mer stylus keyboard has everything |
| 06:22.49 | zakkm | never noticed virtual one before |
| 06:23.23 | qwerty12_N810 | you're not using the mer one. in all honesty: easy mer != mer |
| 06:23.32 | thux | does it have language support like maemo has? i mean keyboard? |
| 06:24.04 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: im looking at mer 0.14 screenshot.. |
| 06:24.06 | Stskeeps | thux: yeah - now it does, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29310 |
| 06:24.08 | zakkm | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/c/c1/Mer0.14_him_arabic.png |
| 06:24.18 | zakkm | i dont use mer .... thats why i havent noticed the virtual keyboard ;p |
| 06:24.27 | zakkm | until i just saw the mer 0.14 screenshot |
| 06:24.32 | thux | Stskeeps: cool, must try mer again |
| 06:24.45 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: ah, sorry, I'm assuming you're basing the observation upon the easy mer vkb |
| 06:24.52 | zakkm | noonono |
| 06:24.54 | zakkm | i know thats maemos |
| 06:25.16 | zakkm | i wish it was on mer lol :D |
| 06:25.30 | zakkm | only reason i use easymer .. thumb keyboard + tear browser |
| 06:25.39 | freenose | mer runs on the n810? |
| 06:25.50 | zakkm | freenose: the original idea yes ;p |
| 06:25.57 | zakkm | freenose: willing to try it out? :D |
| 06:26.14 | zakkm | freenose: full ubuntu armel repository :P |
| 06:26.15 | qwerty12_N810 | zakkm: maybe copying the hildon-input-methods plugins from diablo could work... |
| 06:26.31 | freenose | sure :) |
| 06:26.46 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: would it be something i would be able to try? |
| 06:27.09 | zakkm | i should really get a new SD and install real mer on it |
| 06:27.19 | zakkm | i cant believe i cant find my other 4gb sd |
| 06:27.38 | freenose | zakkmÃ: can Iuse my phone as a modem with mer too? |
| 06:27.47 | zakkm | freenose: got a SD lying around, that can be used? |
| 06:27.55 | zakkm | would have to format it pretty much |
| 06:28.13 | qwerty12_N810 | you could, iirc it'd be the plugins you'd need to copy, maybe some theme images and gconf entries |
| 06:28.13 | zakkm | i would say no.. not 100% though |
| 06:28.17 | freenose | nope |
| 06:28.25 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: is there internet tethering in mer? |
| 06:29.00 | zakkm | sick i want to try tomorrow :) |
| 06:29.04 | zakkm | i would so leave easymer |
| 06:29.06 | freenose | what does maemo uses for that? is it propietary? |
| 06:29.16 | qwerty12_N810 | http://trac.tspre.org/meiz/screenshots/bt-tethering.png |
| 06:29.29 | qwerty12_N810 | but it was dodgy when i tried it... |
| 06:29.33 | zakkm | freenose: look at that screenshot |
| 06:29.59 | zakkm | qwerty12_N810: i want to try tomorrow ;p or well the morning, its 2;29am here |
| 06:30.05 | zakkm | the thumb keyboard trying |
| 06:30.12 | Stskeeps | freenose: mer is 100% core system free, but may use some hw interfacing that's closed |
| 06:30.27 | qwerty12_N810 | heh, i don't even like the thumb keyboard :P |
| 06:30.37 | zakkm | stylus is too small |
| 06:30.39 | freenose | ~ |
| 06:30.42 | zakkm | little crazy OCD -.- |
| 06:30.45 | zakkm | i cant even use a ipod one |
| 06:30.47 | Stskeeps | qwerty12_N810: i would love a transparent thumb / stylus one |
| 06:30.50 | zakkm | i ask friends to type for me |
| 06:30.56 | zakkm | when i use a ipod touch |
| 06:31.13 | zakkm | Stskeeps: would xcomposite work at all? |
| 06:31.16 | freenose | ~ |
| 06:32.29 | zakkm | freenose: ? |
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| 06:33.11 | Stskeeps | zakkm: yeah xcompmgr worked i think |
| 06:33.17 | freenose | my left thumb hurts from the 810 |
| 06:33.17 | Stskeeps | as in, dragged slowly |
| 06:33.21 | zakkm | sickkk :D |
| 06:33.24 | zakkm | im trying it |
| 06:33.29 | zakkm | apt-get'ing |
| 06:33.34 | zakkm | oh it should be slow |
| 06:33.39 | zakkm | no acceleration |
| 06:33.51 | zakkm | lack of high cpu |
| 06:34.52 | zakkm | Stskeeps: was thinking for transperency can use transset |
| 06:38.36 | freenose | Stskeeps: I meant what app does maemo uses for tethering son I can use the same app on my linux laptop |
| 06:38.49 | Stskeeps | freenose: maemo uses a properitary one |
| 06:39.07 | freenose | I see |
| 06:39.24 | freenose | do you know one for linux? |
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| 06:41.06 | freenose | k |
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| 09:05.01 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Need a picture on Mer/Marketing! |
| 09:05.20 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: prod mtc about that, i was comatose online yesterday |
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| 09:06.41 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: will do, if I see him |
| 09:06.58 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: they're sortof same design of the one we gave to qwerty12 i think, but yeah, photos |
| 09:07.48 | Jaffa | hasn't seen the one qwerty12_N810 has ;-) |
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| 11:38.21 | RST38h | moo all? |
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| 11:46.06 | lbt | woof |
| 11:48.44 | Stskeeps | glances at wedding procedures |
| 11:49.55 | RST38h | Polish or Danish? =) |
| 11:51.19 | Stskeeps | danish |
| 11:51.28 | Stskeeps | which might as well be in polish, in terms of sanity |
| 11:52.21 | RST38h | Stskeeps <== obviously never been to a Jewish wedding |
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| 12:06.59 | xnt14 | so insanely bored, I only have 25mins left before my bus arrives for my exam :P |
| 12:07.14 | lbt | do some exercise |
| 12:07.22 | lbt | get your blood flowing |
| 12:07.36 | lbt | extra brain boost + relaxes you :) |
| 12:08.08 | xnt14 | just walked on the treadmill for 18 mins then sat down, and ate some breakfast, and now here I am |
| 12:08.11 | xnt14 | I agree |
| 12:08.14 | xnt14 | :) |
| 12:08.42 | xnt14 | works on his nano fork |
| 12:09.00 | xnt14 | needs to compile it for the nit btw :P |
| 12:09.01 | lbt | thinks about Wii nano-bike |
| 12:09.25 | xnt14 | Im talking about the nano text editor |
| 12:09.37 | xnt14 | nano fork = fork of nano src code |
| 12:09.50 | lbt | yeah... |
| 12:09.55 | xnt14 | :P |
| 12:09.57 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/naon/README |
| 12:10.05 | xnt14 | thats how I made the name |
| 12:10.14 | xnt14 | naon = nano typo |
| 12:10.29 | xnt14 | I was typing nano and my hand slipped and I typed naon |
| 12:10.40 | lbt | may fork MEr for similar reasons... |
| 12:10.52 | xnt14 | then I got the idea of writing his own text editor |
| 12:11.07 | xnt14 | so then I dled the nano svn src code |
| 12:11.12 | xnt14 | fork MEr? |
| 12:11.13 | xnt14 | :P |
| 12:12.13 | xnt14 | would fork mer and make a unisionMer Image to test running a complete server suite on his nit, dns, smb, apache, ssh, etc... |
| 12:13.14 | xnt14 | or make a client-unisionMer to test the viability of the nit in IT/as a client workstation |
| 12:13.34 | xnt14 | and then merge my changes back into the main source |
| 12:14.00 | xnt14 | lbt, are you on your computer or nit? |
| 12:15.18 | xnt14 | checks his email, which he hasn't checked for 10 days |
| 12:15.37 | xnt14 | lol last year, I forgot about my email for 2 months |
| 12:18.00 | GAN800 | How bad is it when Peter can't even get it right? |
| 12:18.33 | ShadowJK | can't get what right? |
| 12:18.38 | xnt14 | ? |
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| 12:18.45 | xnt14 | lol |
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| 12:19.11 | xnt14 | Its been 10 days and no interesting mail: http://xceleo.org/webmail.png |
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| 12:19.25 | lbt | xnt14 computer... |
| 12:19.29 | lbt | was busy |
| 12:19.29 | xnt14 | :) |
| 12:20.02 | b-man16 | is in ubuntu on his n800 |
| 12:20.05 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.org/naon/README |
| 12:20.16 | b-man16 | XD |
| 12:20.28 | xnt14 | wget http://xceleo.org/naon/naon.tar && tar -xvf naon.tar |
| 12:20.36 | xnt14 | oh wait |
| 12:20.44 | xnt14 | x86 or x86_64? |
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| 12:21.51 | Stskeeps | GAN800: MER versus Mer? :P |
| 12:22.32 | xnt14 | Stskeeps: how hard is it to build mer right now btw? |
| 12:22.41 | GAN800 | "Maemo Council" |
| 12:23.30 | xnt14 | lbt: if your on a x86/i686 computer: wget http://xceleo.org/naon/naon && chmod a+x naon && mv naon /usr/bin |
| 12:23.31 | b-man16 | xnt14: all you need i think is the builder |
| 12:23.36 | xnt14 | :) |
| 12:23.52 | Stskeeps | GAN800: ah, right |
| 12:23.53 | X-Fade | GAN800: Close enough ;) |
| 12:23.55 | Stskeeps | xnt14: define build |
| 12:24.41 | xnt14 | umm, crosscompile from desktop (XPS 600: 2.80Hhz Dual Core) for nit |
| 12:24.59 | xnt14 | a image I can install on my sd |
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| 12:25.49 | Stskeeps | xnt14: we don't compile everything from scratch |
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| 12:25.54 | Stskeeps | we're not gentoo insane |
| 12:25.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:25.57 | wazd_n800 | hooah maemo! |
| 12:25.58 | xnt14 | :P |
| 12:26.15 | b-man16 | like Luke-jr lol |
| 12:26.17 | xnt14 | so how did you create mer? :P |
| 12:26.23 | xnt14 | lol |
| 12:26.25 | thopiekar | hi Stskeeps |
| 12:26.31 | thopiekar | hi all |
| 12:26.39 | xnt14 | looks for the mer source |
| 12:26.53 | thopiekar | Stskeeps: whats up with the n770 port? |
| 12:26.58 | xnt14 | thopiekar: hi :P |
| 12:27.03 | thopiekar | hi xnt14 |
| 12:27.07 | b-man16 | xnt14: through bootstraping |
| 12:27.08 | xnt14 | :) |
| 12:27.08 | toggles_w | xnt14: Stskeeps used magic |
| 12:27.09 | wazd_n800 | Mer wasn't created, it was always here, we just gained access to it thru ether =)) |
| 12:27.18 | xnt14 | xD |
| 12:27.39 | b-man16 | xD |
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| 12:27.44 | xnt14 | so I cant create xntMer, nah unisionMer |
| 12:27.55 | b-man16 | lol |
| 12:28.00 | thopiekar | wb' bilboed-tp |
| 12:28.18 | wazd_n800 | And I'm just downloading carma sketches of Mer and draw em in PS) |
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| 12:28.43 | Stskeeps | thopiekar: bbb770 is making a kernel package. that's the only reason |
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| 12:29.24 | thopiekar | is he busy or is it so difficult to create? |
| 12:29.32 | b-man16 | brought his 5 month old ubuntu install back from the dead last night btw |
| 12:29.45 | Stskeeps | seriously, where is the nokia-binaries repository stuff hiding now? |
| 12:30.02 | xnt14 | ok I have to take exams, brb for like 2/3/4 hours |
| 12:30.09 | b-man16 | k |
| 12:30.26 | wazd_n800 | Amerca's Army 3 is online and i'm in a fricking train! Damned life! |
| 12:30.35 | b-man16 | plays with ubuntu |
| 12:30.56 | Stskeeps | X-Fade: did nokia-binaries get scrapped for 5.0 beta or is it just me being blind? |
| 12:31.11 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: no, it is there. |
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| 12:31.18 | Stskeeps | okay |
| 12:31.22 | Stskeeps | tries to find a reference |
| 12:31.25 | wazd_n800 | plays with less sophisticated games =) |
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| 12:33.10 | Stskeeps | okay, that's well hidden |
| 12:33.13 | Stskeeps | the grey doesn't make it easier |
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| 12:53.58 | Stskeeps | X-Fade, jeremiah: http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/binaries.png seems sane for the part of vendor HW repositories that faces the user? (i'm going to make a workflow for the way to deal with actually making the repositories and the images to be downloaded) |
| 12:56.26 | X-Fade | Stskeeps: looks pretty sane to me. |
| 12:56.28 | Stskeeps | k |
| 12:56.44 | wazd_n800 | Damn, I'm really shocked how lame Fring for tablets actually is |
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| 12:56.46 | Stskeeps | trying to put it in a way that's easy to work with both for lawyers and coders :P |
| 12:57.02 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: can't be worse than skype on android phones |
| 12:57.32 | wazd_n800 | stskeeps, it's absolutely unusable |
| 12:57.44 | wazd_n800 | stskeeps, I can't imag |
| 12:58.04 | wazd_n800 | ine how a human can release this |
| 12:58.43 | wazd_n800 | "log in" pop up locks the device until it's finished |
| 12:59.26 | wazd_n800 | ok, I'm almost home, bbl =) |
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| 13:06.16 | johnsq | Hi |
| 13:08.13 | Stskeeps | 'lo johnsq |
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| 13:35.44 | lcuk | Stskeeps, wheres johnx gone off to? |
| 13:36.00 | Stskeeps | lcuk: working i think |
| 13:36.16 | lcuk | ahhh, i tohught he mightv been taken away by nokia for the overview he posted up return lol |
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| 13:43.19 | mib_5q313l | i want to open .lib file,which function i should use? |
| 13:47.29 | lcuk | mib_5q313l, what is a .lib file in your context, cos ive seen many variations in my time |
| 13:50.38 | mib_5q313l | penpda.lib |
| 13:51.42 | mib_5q313l | this file which can recognise what you write on the touch scren |
| 13:52.24 | mib_5q313l | the file contain some function that can recognise what you write |
| 13:52.51 | mib_5q313l | i just want to open it and get the function |
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| 14:22.55 | samueldr | I think I just figured a new law, kind of like godwin's law |
| 14:23.03 | samueldr | the law of open-source community chat |
| 14:23.27 | samueldr | whatever the discussion is about, it will eventually lead to have a bacon reference somewhere |
| 14:23.52 | LinuxCode | better than what I just had in the redhat chan |
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| 14:24.34 | samueldr | and what was it? |
| 14:26.54 | lcuk | samueldr, you just did it |
| 14:26.58 | lcuk | and bacon is a maemoism |
| 14:27.26 | lcuk | no1 mentioned bacon today until you |
| 14:27.48 | lcuk | offers linuxcode a blt |
| 14:28.16 | LinuxCode | lcuk, just had an ignorant US lot trying to tell me what we study on IT courses here in the UK |
| 14:28.20 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 14:28.42 | LinuxCode | sad how such a "huge" country can live in a glass bottle |
| 14:29.25 | lcuk | its possible that the unis they know just do different crap to what you know |
| 14:29.31 | lcuk | the courses are not the same :P |
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| 14:33.44 | LinuxCode | lcuk, US does a 50/50 mix |
| 14:33.48 | LinuxCode | 50% other crap |
| 14:34.00 | LinuxCode | such as physics, maths, etc.. |
| 14:34.19 | LinuxCode | we had 2 modules with business and maths, in CS anyway |
| 14:34.30 | LinuxCode | rest was IT related |
| 14:35.10 | LinuxCode | saying that, even the maths + stats was IT related as we used software such as maple |
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| 14:38.00 | KayDeeEeJon | i'd like to install a c++ compiling environment and qt devel libraries directly on my n810, but on a /media/mmc1 subdir and not on in / (since the shdc card has plenty space and the internal mem has not) |
| 14:38.17 | KayDeeEeJon | what's the easiest and/or cleanest way to do that? |
| 14:38.21 | lcuk | hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 14:38.26 | KayDeeEeJon | funny? |
| 14:38.30 | KayDeeEeJon | why? |
| 14:38.39 | lcuk | well, i do c dev on device |
| 14:38.47 | lcuk | and i get laughed at for it |
| 14:38.47 | KayDeeEeJon | and? |
| 14:38.59 | lcuk | so since you wanna do something 10x slower and fatter ive gotta laugh 10x longer |
| 14:39.24 | KayDeeEeJon | why 10x slower? |
| 14:39.30 | lcuk | i thought the qt dev stuff takes 1.3gb of memory to link or something |
| 14:39.38 | lcuk | cos the c compiler is REALLY slow |
| 14:39.39 | lcuk | c++ |
| 14:39.40 | fiferboy | That |
| 14:39.45 | fiferboy | is to build Qt |
| 14:40.01 | fiferboy | Developing with Qt libraries wouldn't be THAT bad (depending on the program) |
| 14:40.06 | KayDeeEeJon | you gotta be kidding me, the qt stuff is ridiculously small compared to the size of the hildon/maemo sdk |
| 14:40.07 | lcuk | ahhh so to build new bits of qt using existing qt is less |
| 14:40.17 | fiferboy | Yep |
| 14:40.33 | fiferboy | Unless you are building a new WebKit version for a Qt browser :) |
| 14:40.59 | lcuk | KayDeeEeJon, :) you might be right, but in my experience even a simple "helloworld" in c++ using just std string lib was ballachingly paint drying and peeling back off through age slow |
| 14:41.12 | KayDeeEeJon | huh? |
| 14:41.29 | fiferboy | KayDeeEeJon: You can do a clone to SD and run the entire OS from SD, that would give you enough space |
| 14:41.43 | lcuk | get a stopwatch, install gcc, see how long a helloworld in c takes to compile, do same with c++ |
| 14:41.53 | fiferboy | I'm not sure how well building on the device would go, but I'm sure if you have enough time (and swap) it could worl |
| 14:42.14 | fiferboy | lcuk: Did you start doing c++ on the tablet at some point? |
| 14:42.27 | lcuk | fiferboy, i thought linkage of the libraries would be prohibative in 128mb |
| 14:42.34 | lcuk | i nearly wrote the new framework in ++ |
| 14:42.40 | lcuk | isnt c++ phobic |
| 14:43.14 | fiferboy | lcuk, well I think the problem with the WebKit taking 1+ GB is debuging symbols |
| 14:43.39 | KayDeeEeJon | well i don't know how much mem is needed for linking, but certainly nowhere near 1.3g. i routinely build qt stuff (without webkit) on a pc with 512M |
| 14:43.57 | lcuk | 512mb plus nice fast swap no doubt :) |
| 14:43.57 | KayDeeEeJon | and there's no swapping or such |
| 14:44.11 | fiferboy | Yes, building USING Qt is a lot more feasible than BUILDING Qt |
| 14:44.12 | KayDeeEeJon | and the mem is already quite full |
| 14:44.23 | z4chh | hai |
| 14:44.29 | KayDeeEeJon | well there are ready-built qt-dev packages for maemo |
| 14:44.33 | lcuk | \o |
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| 14:49.51 | RichiH | are the 756 MiB of virtual memory the n900 is supposed to have just more flash storage or what? |
| 14:50.41 | RichiH | erm, 768 |
| 14:51.23 | lcuk | RichiH, its not real memory, there is a tape-drive attached to the back of the device (retro cool) that is used as backing store |
| 14:51.37 | RichiH | no punch cards? |
| 14:51.55 | lcuk | didnt notice a slot when i played |
| 14:51.55 | samueldr | no data stored on a CRT device? |
| 14:51.56 | LinuxCode | lcuk, loooool |
| 14:52.07 | lcuk | mind you, that was a proto, sonot sure |
| 14:52.25 | LinuxCode | lcuk, so the first rumours about the next n810 are spreading ? |
| 14:52.41 | LinuxCode | cant wait for the next model to come out |
| 14:54.18 | KayDeeEeJon | so if i want to clone the os to sd, how would i do that? i can hardly use dd given the different filesystem and fs size, so i'd copy with cp -a i presume? and then how would i boot from sd instead of internal rom? |
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| 14:56.03 | fiferboy | search talk.maemo.org for "clone to sd" |
| 14:56.14 | fiferboy | There are packages that do it for you, set up the boot loader, etc |
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| 14:56.34 | johnsq | KayDeeEeJon: why clone, just use a better os :) , there is script for clone and look for bootmenu.sh |
| 14:57.30 | RichiH | another question, are the n810 and n900 unbrickable? i.e. is there always some way to restore it if something goes wrong while playing with it |
| 14:57.54 | KayDeeEeJon | ok thx |
| 14:58.07 | KayDeeEeJon | johnsq: a better os? |
| 14:58.25 | johnsq | johnsq: mer, ubuntu, debian... |
| 14:58.28 | Stskeeps | RichiH: as long as you don't overwrite NOLO and X-loader, yes |
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| 15:32.49 | jeremiah | lcuk: /c |
| 15:32.57 | jeremiah | Sorry, wrong order |
| 15:33.15 | jeremiah | lcuk: You may have some perm issues with some files in your deb package. |
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| 15:35.56 | lcuk | jeremiah, tell me about it! |
| 15:36.19 | lcuk | ive been trying to bash out what you guys started in cph, i am grey haired and bruised as a result |
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| 15:37.02 | lcuk | have you just looked in the package itself, or have you tried to download from my github account? |
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| 15:38.25 | coldboot | Here's a tip: Track scratchbox2 in git so you know what it's up to. |
| 15:40.34 | jeremiah | lcuk: The issues popped up in the autobuilder, causing an error. :) |
| 15:46.50 | lcuk | jeremiah, yeah, sorted that i think, and i believe we have a handle on the other issues - which are to do with wmclass and osso registration and stuff, and hopefully those will be ironed out this evening. |
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| 16:14.43 | xnt14[away] | is back from his test |
| 16:15.00 | xnt14 | looks at the log |
| 16:15.10 | xnt14 | not much activity :P |
| 16:16.07 | lcuk | thats cos we all have you on ignore |
| 16:17.54 | xnt14 | :P |
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| 16:30.53 | plastun | hi2all |
| 16:32.03 | plastun | it's very strange: GtkHSeparator looks in Maemo ok, but GtkVSeparator is invisible. ? |
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| 16:46.04 | jaem | hello |
| 16:47.03 | jaem | I've noticed when installing sidebar items in Maemo (e.g. Personal menu, etc.) that not all of those can be removed in the config dialog |
| 16:47.28 | jaem | is there any way to have full control over that short of manually messing with .desktop files? |
| 16:49.15 | Ave | hmmm my n810 seems to have broken or something |
| 16:49.26 | Ave | it just doesnt boot anymore or charge the battery |
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| 16:49.35 | xnt14 | o.0 |
| 16:49.39 | Ave | all I see is the bootup RD logo on screen and then it shuts down |
| 16:49.51 | Ave | dattery dead maybe? |
| 16:49.53 | Ave | batt.. |
| 16:49.58 | xnt14 | flasher-3.0 shut off RD mode? |
| 16:50.02 | Ave | cant |
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| 16:50.10 | xnt14 | X( |
| 16:50.13 | Ave | it doesnt turn on so I could enable the usb flasher mode |
| 16:50.17 | xnt14 | (x_x) |
| 16:50.28 | Ave | besides the rd mode isnt a problem |
| 16:50.41 | xnt14 | so bootup with the switch window key doesn't work? |
| 16:50.55 | Ave | it doesnt boot at all |
| 16:50.58 | xnt14 | :( |
| 16:51.05 | Ave | the only action I can get is by connecting the charger |
| 16:51.13 | Ave | then I see the "boot display" briefly |
| 16:51.17 | xnt14 | so hook up the cable to your computer |
| 16:51.22 | xnt14 | run flasher |
| 16:51.29 | xnt14 | and then hook up the usb cable |
| 16:51.46 | xnt14 | and then plug in charger while holding the usb mode button |
| 16:51.53 | Ave | tried, didnt work |
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| 16:52.07 | jaem | xnt14: don't they say not to have it plugged in while flashing in any case? |
| 16:52.10 | xnt14 | (x_X) |
| 16:52.13 | Ave | yeah they say |
| 16:52.17 | jaem | Ave: was it fully working prior to this? |
| 16:52.21 | Ave | the usb mode doesnt work with charger attached |
| 16:52.22 | Ave | yeah |
| 16:52.29 | Ave | the battery just ran empty |
| 16:52.29 | jaem | ...and then you turned it off? |
| 16:52.49 | Ave | but that has happened many times before |
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| 16:52.57 | Ave | maybe the internal flash is corrupted? |
| 16:53.04 | xnt14 | um, I flashed my nit once with it off then instead of hiting pwr button, I plugged in the charger |
| 16:53.13 | jaem | maybe, but that would be more borked than is easy to do |
| 16:53.25 | xnt14 | I think the bl is courrupted |
| 16:53.31 | jaem | xnt14: sounds like it |
| 16:53.36 | Ave | bl? |
| 16:53.40 | jaem | bootloader |
| 16:53.40 | xnt14 | bootloader |
| 16:53.48 | Ave | ah yeah its been behaving a bit strangely |
| 16:53.49 | jaem | that's not a fun problem |
| 16:53.51 | xnt14 | jtag? |
| 16:53.51 | Ave | very slow boot |
| 16:53.57 | Ave | I have bootmenu installed tho |
| 16:54.02 | jaem | xnt14: heh... that's what I meant about it not being fun |
| 16:54.04 | xnt14 | can you go into bootmenu? |
| 16:54.07 | Ave | nope |
| 16:54.11 | xnt14 | jaem: yup |
| 16:54.15 | Ave | doesnt show up, it just shuts down |
| 16:54.16 | xnt14 | :( |
| 16:54.20 | Ave | some watchdog maybe |
| 16:54.46 | xnt14 | well the nit does have a serial port on the back |
| 16:54.50 | Ave | I wonder if I still have warranty left |
| 16:54.56 | xnt14 | maybe it output some error there |
| 16:55.01 | xnt14 | but |
| 16:55.32 | jaem | did they ever figure out if the pads under the battery /were/ JTAG? |
| 16:55.35 | xnt14 | wouldn't reccomend trying to solder it to a cable though If you are not experienced in soldering X( |
| 16:55.59 | jaem | no, I wouldn't recommend it eitherr |
| 16:56.01 | jaem | I was just curious |
| 16:56.22 | Ave | theres also some pads (4) visible not under the battery |
| 16:56.23 | Ave | is that serial port? |
| 16:56.49 | Ave | next to charger hole |
| 16:56.52 | xnt14 | the pad on the left of the serial label is a seriel port |
| 16:56.59 | xnt14 | thats the pads for the usb |
| 16:56.59 | Ave | yeah |
| 16:57.11 | Ave | well, I'll try leave it without battery for 30 mins first |
| 16:57.19 | xnt14 | the 7 pin port is a serial port |
| 16:57.28 | xnt14 | the 4 pin port is the usb port |
| 16:57.51 | Ave | is the pinout known? |
| 16:57.54 | xnt14 | and the 3 pin one is the battery |
| 16:58.10 | xnt14 | I think so, I think I saw it on fanoush's site |
| 16:58.16 | xnt14 | ill check |
| 16:58.20 | Ave | hah I see pin test marks on the pads |
| 16:58.23 | xnt14 | nope not there, ill google |
| 16:58.28 | Ave | only 4/7 are used |
| 16:58.44 | Ave | gnd, tx, rx and what else? |
| 16:58.47 | xnt14 | yup I see then also |
| 16:59.23 | xnt14 | http://www.bu3sch.de/joomla/index.php/nokia-n810-serial-console |
| 16:59.33 | xnt14 | damnit |
| 16:59.41 | Ave | thanks |
| 16:59.42 | xnt14 | it has to be enabled in software |
| 17:00.06 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:00.16 | jaem | darn it... |
| 17:00.25 | Ave | and I'd have to build test jig like that |
| 17:00.34 | Ave | oh well, I try with battery off first |
| 17:00.39 | jaem | my uni shell account is failing at scp for some reason |
| 17:01.06 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:01.43 | Ave | so much sadness! |
| 17:01.48 | Ave | this is happy end |
| 17:01.56 | Ave | main screen turn off |
| 17:02.05 | xnt14 | :) |
| 17:02.12 | jaem | lol |
| 17:02.20 | xnt14 | jaem: how old are you btw? |
| 17:02.30 | xnt14 | has his own shell acc |
| 17:02.36 | xnt14 | and dh ssh acc |
| 17:02.55 | xnt14 | well dh shell all |
| 17:03.03 | xnt14 | and his own shell server |
| 17:03.07 | jaem | jaem: just finished 3rd year of post-secondary |
| 17:03.22 | jaem | xnt14: yeah, I have ssh on all my boxen, and accounts on a friend's server |
| 17:03.31 | jaem | and this is /supposed/ to work |
| 17:03.33 | xnt14 | :P |
| 17:03.38 | jaem | to the Wireshark! |
| 17:04.10 | xnt14 | wonders why xceleo.org goes to apache2-twiddle.dreamhost.com |
| 17:04.21 | xnt14 | rofl |
| 17:04.46 | xnt14 | I typed xceleo.org in irc, and my xps makes a connection to xceleo.org :? :P |
| 17:07.49 | jaem | huh... this is odd |
| 17:07.54 | jaem | scp just hangs... |
| 17:08.01 | jaem | sftp says "connected", and then times out |
| 17:08.05 | Ave | http://blog.homac.de/?p=58 |
| 17:08.15 | Ave | maybe it's the same for me |
| 17:09.21 | Ave | but fridge? wtf |
| 17:09.59 | xnt14 | yup :P |
| 17:10.02 | xnt14 | lol |
| 17:10.26 | Stskeeps | make sure you're upgraded to diablo :P |
| 17:11.02 | xnt14 | :P |
| 17:11.15 | Ave | I have the latest diablo |
| 17:11.19 | Ave | and also nitdroid |
| 17:11.22 | Ave | and mer and whatnot |
| 17:11.41 | Ave | I have ecerything except a properly booting n810 |
| 17:12.31 | jaem | bye |
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| 17:16.15 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:16.43 | xnt14 | lol |
| 17:16.50 | xnt14 | johnsq, hi |
| 17:16.51 | Ave | the battery shows 2.64 V |
| 17:17.07 | xnt14 | thats half way |
| 17:17.29 | Ave | under no load |
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| 17:17.37 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:17.55 | Ave | is the BP-4L battery common type? |
| 17:18.36 | ShadowJK | 2.64 is dangerously low |
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| 17:18.46 | johnsq | its about 10 euro at amazon.de |
| 17:19.04 | xnt14 | yup, I have a bp-4l :P |
| 17:19.25 | ShadowJK | ave: try bp-4l in hintaseuranta :) |
| 17:19.40 | ShadowJK | would get original |
| 17:19.49 | Ave | maybe it's so flat that the charge circuit wont even start |
| 17:20.19 | Ave | you can destroy lion batteries with a deep discharge |
| 17:20.27 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:21.07 | lopz | hi |
| 17:21.26 | xnt14 | <offtopic>http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/18/keepin-it-real-fake-part-ccxvii-not-even-obama-can-sell-us-on/</offtopic> lol, blockberry |
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| 17:21.38 | Ave | crackberry |
| 17:21.41 | xnt14 | lopz, hi |
| 17:21.45 | xnt14 | :P |
| 17:21.50 | lopz | ;) |
| 17:22.06 | xnt14 | and it runs *shudder* WinMo |
| 17:22.48 | xnt14 | "The ad reads: "Obama have BlackBerry, I have BlockBerry." "~engadget xDDDDD |
| 17:23.05 | xnt14 | wait blockberry, as if in blocking blackberry? xD |
| 17:23.19 | Ave | well I believe that tha battery is just dead |
| 17:23.25 | Ave | gotta get a new one |
| 17:23.28 | xnt14 | so buy a new battery? |
| 17:23.35 | xnt14 | what about the bl? |
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| 17:23.39 | Ave | this is possible the wirst time to buy anything |
| 17:23.46 | Ave | worst |
| 17:23.53 | Ave | finland is closed |
| 17:23.58 | xnt14 | Im guessing that its still good? |
| 17:24.02 | xnt14 | the bl |
| 17:24.04 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:24.11 | Ave | hard to say since it doesnt even try to boot |
| 17:24.18 | xnt14 | :( |
| 17:24.21 | Stskeeps | does it show nokia logo? |
| 17:24.35 | Ave | yes |
| 17:24.40 | Ave | and the R&D n700 |
| 17:24.42 | xnt14 | Stskeeps: it shows the nokia logo + RD icon |
| 17:24.42 | RST38h | moos evilly |
| 17:24.46 | Ave | then dies after few seconds |
| 17:24.59 | Stskeeps | ah, then it's not that bad off. disable r&d mode |
| 17:25.01 | Ave | but only when I plug in the charger |
| 17:25.05 | Ave | how |
| 17:25.08 | Stskeeps | flasher |
| 17:25.13 | Ave | usb seems dead |
| 17:25.15 | xnt14 | he cant flash |
| 17:25.21 | xnt14 | it just dies |
| 17:25.40 | Stskeeps | xnt14: flashing is a different thing from setting r&d flag |
| 17:25.42 | Stskeeps | or removing it |
| 17:25.52 | xnt14 | oh :P |
| 17:25.52 | ShadowJK | 3.2 is empty, 2.64 is quite a bit lower... some of the n810 components might have problems running on it, and it might sag even lower during load (charger can't directly power the device) :/ |
| 17:26.03 | Ave | yeah |
| 17:26.08 | xnt14 | but he can't go to usb mode |
| 17:26.11 | Ave | thats why I believe the battery has gone too flat |
| 17:26.35 | ShadowJK | if it has been this flat for more than a day I would be nervous about charging it |
| 17:26.47 | Ave | its been days |
| 17:27.06 | Ave | I wonder if I could just snake in some juice to the gnd and + pins ... |
| 17:27.09 | Ave | just to get it going |
| 17:27.18 | xnt14 | ShadowJK, I have run my nit off of the charger only, but only for like an hour |
| 17:27.25 | Ave | in THEORY li+ needs very controlled charging |
| 17:27.30 | xnt14 | Ave, I wouldn't do that |
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| 17:28.04 | Ave | yeah me neither |
| 17:29.28 | xnt14 | yup |
| 17:29.29 | Ave | oh well, I'll get a new battery when next available |
| 17:29.35 | ShadowJK | pif you parallell it with the battery, the battery will suck up a tremendous amount of juice... the danger with less-than-empty li-ion is that shorts start to form inside the battery. those areas inside it that are short-cicuited will locally generate heat, and it only takes a little bit over 130C to ignite it all :) |
| 17:29.36 | xnt14 | :/ :P |
| 17:29.56 | Ave | a big badaboom |
| 17:30.33 | Ave | someone dcc send me a battery |
| 17:30.33 | ShadowJK | if you think 130 is high, try connect a thin strand of wire across a battery and see how fast it gets hot :) |
| 17:30.42 | Ave | btdt |
| 17:30.51 | ShadowJK | (dont do it with a li-ion) |
| 17:30.54 | Ave | you know how they cut styrofoam with a hotwire |
| 17:31.00 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 17:32.03 | xnt14 | :P |
| 17:32.26 | ShadowJK | if you have a fireproof container, a well-ventilated area, and a way to attach leads to the battery... |
| 17:32.33 | Ave | you know how normally the 810 boots into the "charger screen" |
| 17:32.37 | Ave | I guess it tried, but fails |
| 17:32.40 | ShadowJK | and a multimeter |
| 17:33.01 | Ave | the only thing I dont have is a proper power supply |
| 17:33.08 | Ave | you know with a voltage AND current regulation |
| 17:33.14 | Ave | a lab power source |
| 17:34.06 | ShadowJK | how about 2 aa batteries and a resistor, dmm to monitor current |
| 17:34.27 | Ave | would ~2 volts be enough to charge? |
| 17:34.57 | ShadowJK | you'd want it higher than the battery you're trying to charge |
| 17:35.03 | ShadowJK | but not by much |
| 17:35.14 | Ave | well, if the current voltage is 2,64 .. |
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| 17:35.34 | Ave | ok, I'll calculate some moderate current for it |
| 17:35.39 | Ave | like 1/50 C |
| 17:35.55 | ShadowJK | and monitor current so that it stays at perhaps no more than 100mA until it either explodes or gets back to a healthier voltage |
| 17:35.55 | Ave | would be 30 mA |
| 17:36.02 | ShadowJK | or 30 :) |
| 17:36.19 | Ave | hell what do I have to lose here except my eyes |
| 17:36.23 | thopiekar | would be somebody so nice and make me a package? |
| 17:36.32 | ShadowJK | the battery will perform like crap most likely anyway :) |
| 17:37.24 | ShadowJK | but hey, this is the perfect excuse to buy a 200-eur lab powersupply instead of a new battery :D |
| 17:38.04 | Ave | indeed |
| 17:38.33 | ShadowJK | how many days would you say it has been empty? |
| 17:40.28 | Ave | few days, maybe a week |
| 17:40.40 | Ave | now its only 2,6 volts |
| 17:41.17 | ShadowJK | it must be drop to 0 when you try boot :) |
| 17:41.30 | Ave | 100 ohms please |
| 17:41.46 | thopiekar | I need portaudio19 for my project but it needs a newer version of libasound so here is a solution which I can't fix myself.. While portaudio needs a newer version of libasound, a sourcepackage where libasound and portaudio are included to make a static version of portaudio. It should compile the newest version of asound and link the build of portaudio19 to it.. could someone make such a package for me? please, please, please, please ? :) |
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| 17:55.02 | Ave | ok, I got 20 mA going in |
| 17:55.09 | Ave | hasnt exploded yet :P |
| 17:55.28 | ShadowJK | the fumes from explosion are toxic, btw :) |
| 17:55.36 | Ave | I'll be sure to inhale |
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| 18:02.55 | thopiekar | lcuk: ping |
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| 18:04.14 | thopiekar | lcuk_coding: I really would need you at #mixxx |
| 18:04.22 | lcuk_coding | thopiekar, yeah, whats up |
| 18:05.25 | thopiekar | I want to port mixxx a DJ'ing program.. mixxx is using opengl so I have to bypass it.. the devs at #mixxx say that I should use your liqbase for it then |
| 18:06.06 | lcuk_coding | as much as i want to follow you in thopiekar im up to armpits in other things and really trying to get packaging sorted and stuff |
| 18:06.06 | thopiekar | so the 2d waveform of my port would be fast enough |
| 18:06.10 | lcuk_coding | but yeah, you should |
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| 18:07.10 | thopiekar | could you help me somehow if I need help or do you know somebody who isn't busy and could join my project to help me out? |
| 18:07.33 | Ave | heh |
| 18:07.45 | Ave | now it goes a bit further in the boot cycle before it shuts down |
| 18:07.56 | Ave | I see bootmenu texts "hold menu key .." |
| 18:08.08 | Ave | I'm confident that the battery is just dead, yay |
| 18:11.45 | Ave | I got into bootmenu |
| 18:11.55 | Ave | will wonders ever cease |
| 18:15.23 | thopiekar | lcuk_coding: how is the preformance of liqbase on desktops? |
| 18:16.09 | lcuk_coding | its not optimized there, but i run it on my 700mhz x41 (testing only so far) |
| 18:16.16 | lcuk_coding | its normally 1.4ghz, but i run in powersave mode |
| 18:16.22 | lcuk_coding | and its amazing! |
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| 18:17.52 | thopiekar | cool |
| 18:19.54 | xnt14 | lcuk_coding, liqbase on x86? |
| 18:20.25 | xnt14 | Ave: Awesome so you just need a new battery :) |
| 18:20.52 | johnsq | yeah xserver 1.6.1 running and x2x |
| 18:20.56 | lcuk_coding | xnt14, http://github.com/lcuk |
| 18:20.57 | lcuk_coding | test it |
| 18:21.04 | lcuk_coding | give me feedback and patches :) |
| 18:21.07 | xnt14 | :) |
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| 18:22.03 | Ave | yeah I'll try to score one tomorrow if the stores are open .. |
| 18:22.09 | xnt14 | lcuk_coding, no more codebasehq? |
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| 18:22.16 | lcuk_coding | nope |
| 18:22.18 | lcuk_coding | all open :) |
| 18:22.28 | xnt14 | :) |
| 18:22.29 | lcuk_coding | was meant to land on garage |
| 18:22.40 | lcuk_coding | but i couldnt get the git-core on my machine to work with it |
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| 18:23.18 | xnt14 | :) |
| 18:24.45 | xnt14 | lcuk_coding, will this play nice with compiz? |
| 18:24.58 | xnt14 | oh and does it work with a mouse? |
| 18:25.01 | xnt14 | :P |
| 18:25.02 | lcuk_coding | does compiz play nice with xv? |
| 18:25.07 | xnt14 | googles |
| 18:25.16 | lcuk_coding | it works, whether its optimal is a different story |
| 18:25.23 | lcuk_coding | theres no code yet to handle scrollwheel events etc |
| 18:25.29 | xnt14 | http://www.google.com/search?q=compiz+xv&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a |
| 18:25.30 | xnt14 | :) |
| 18:25.32 | lcuk_coding | just compile and try it |
| 18:25.35 | xnt14 | ok :) |
| 18:25.38 | thopiekar | lcuk_coding: is libliqbase os independent ? and here can i find more informations how to use the library? |
| 18:26.18 | lcuk_coding | there isnt much infos yet thopiekar, but its been written from the ground up to work on X11+XV *on tiny small embedded devices* |
| 18:26.23 | lcuk_coding | its optimal there and works well there |
| 18:26.34 | lcuk_coding | and its SHIT HOT on anything more powerful |
| 18:26.38 | xnt14 | btw I do have an spare Point of sale monitor ( well not spare anymore its my server monitor now) ill try it on that later, does it require acceleration or does it work on vesa |
| 18:26.58 | lcuk_coding | xv |
| 18:27.11 | lcuk_coding | ask in #liqbase anyway, im meant to be coding :$ |
| 18:27.37 | xnt14 | xD ok |
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| 18:40.42 | Stskeeps | like 35 C in helsinki, eh |
| 18:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | is predicting we're going to get just enough rain to jump the humidity up to 100%. |
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| 18:57.48 | xnt14 | It was raining like hell this morning in ny |
| 18:59.26 | andre__ | uargh. testzilla is bitchy and wasted half of my day with its complexity |
| 18:59.27 | andre__ | GAN800, i still plan to test the Newstyle patch today. finally. be prepared :-P |
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| 19:00.13 | Stskeeps | newstyle on bugzilla? scary |
| 19:00.59 | qwerty12_N810 | is waiting on n00b-friendly interface |
| 19:01.33 | andre__ | Stskeeps, why? |
| 19:01.45 | Stskeeps | andre__: it's probably not :P |
| 19:02.09 | Stskeeps | isn't a big fan of grey links though |
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| 19:26.52 | Guest8740_382 | anyidea what is a rigth path for /splash folder ? |
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| 19:38.52 | lcuk_coding | RST38h, party in #liqbase lol |
| 19:38.58 | lcuk_coding | but i wonder that as well |
| 19:39.02 | VDVsx | everybody is playing/hacking with their new maemo devices :P |
| 19:39.03 | lcuk_coding | its been dead all day |
| 19:39.32 | VDVsx | excepting us, that don't get one |
| 19:39.35 | VDVsx | :) |
| 19:43.09 | thopiekar | I'm going to take some sleep now.. see you soon! |
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| 19:48.28 | RST38h | must be thursday. |
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| 21:38.34 | jeremiah_food | thopiekar: ping |
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| 22:02.57 | xnt14 | b-man died.....again xD |
| 22:03.30 | xnt14 | this is what happens when he tries to upload a 800Mb repo to a remote server :P |
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| 22:18.57 | lcuk_coding | does anyone know why inotify would be failing. does it depend on a specific update |
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| 22:26.14 | qwerty12_N810 | lcuk_coding: I just used the example program from http://ik.homelinux.org/index.rhtml/projects/c/inotify on my N810 and it works fine. |
| 22:26.19 | jeremiah | lcuk_coding: inotify just rocks - it must be you |
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| 22:27.02 | jeremiah | qwerty12_N810: What are you using it for? |
| 22:27.39 | qwerty12_N810 | I'm not using it :) - I just wanted to see if it really didn't work under Diablo |
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| 22:37.40 | arpia49 | hello everybody, I'm having some issue with gnome_vfs_seek. With an example that I took from maemo api. As I'm new programing maemo I really don't think it's a bug, but I find some (little) information about this funcktion not working at fedora. Can someone help me to try this example? (sorry about my english) |
| 22:41.25 | jeremiah | arpia49: Your English is good. :) |
| 22:41.32 | jeremiah | What error messages are you getting? |
| 22:44.19 | arpia49 | jeremiah: well... thanks :) I'm not getting an error, it's just the example is not working. To sum it up: it sould append a chunk of bytes to a file, but actually it's not apending, just replacing. |
| 22:44.49 | arpia49 | *should |
| 22:45.04 | johnsq | open append, or seek to end. |
| 22:46.50 | arpia49 | johnsq: the example in the api page seems to be seeking to the end, but... does not work. |
| 22:48.32 | johnsq | debug, there should be a tell functions. you can test if seek works. |
| 22:48.32 | arpia49 | i've found if something similar has ever been reported to mailing list or bugzilla... but i only get some similar bug under fedora |
| 22:49.58 | arpia49 | johnsq: i'm going to debug again to be really sure, but i think after call gnome_vfs_seek the handler does not change |
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| 22:54.53 | arpia49 | i'm using eclipse. As I see, the write_handle's value does not change after calling gnome_vfs_seek. I'm not sure if I can check something more. |
| 22:57.52 | johnsq | any error return code, seek after end of file? |
| 23:01.01 | arpia49 | johnsq: the result is GNOME_VFS_OK, as anything went well. I expected write_handler value should, change after gnome_vfs_seek. shouldn't it? |
| 23:01.26 | johnsq | yes atleast it should store the position |
| 23:04.47 | arpia49 | johnsq: i don't see any change after seeking but i see a change after open (in read_handle) and after create (in write_handle) |
| 23:06.25 | johnsq | sorry i don't know anything about gnome_vfs, but you can try looking what happen with strace. |
| 23:07.58 | arpia49 | johnsq: thank you very much for your time and guidance. At least I'm more sure that i'm looking in the right place. |
| 23:09.37 | johnsq | this failures are hard to find. sometimes it is gcc code generator failing. |
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| 23:14.01 | arpia49 | johnsq: mmmm... i'll be lloking a little bit more and if don't see the light i will open a bug, maybe someone it's more prepared than me to find it. |
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| 23:35.56 | guysoft422 | hey, is nitdroid usable in any way? is it in progress at all? |
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