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| 02:42.45 | dick-richardson | will the supported profiles of a bluetooth device show a2dp if that's being used? |
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| 03:35.28 | tank-man | gtb, they are probably text files you can edit |
| 03:37.10 | gtb | i mean like, which runlevel is default or what the existing ones do |
| 03:39.52 | tank-man | im guessing /etc/inittab shows the default runlevel |
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| 04:50.08 | sarower | hello...........good morning |
| 04:51.03 | sarower | i am using maemo c++ to develop an application. I need to connect two devices / emulator to send data from one to another through internet. |
| 04:51.21 | sarower | What should i use.. which technique...i have to follow |
| 04:51.28 | sarower | Any body can help? |
| 04:51.57 | LiraNuna | server/client? |
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| 05:19.54 | sarower | LiraNuna: not server client actually! |
| 05:20.13 | sarower | two way communication.... |
| 05:22.16 | sarower | LiraNuna: will it work if i use BSD Sockets Interface |
| 05:22.18 | sarower | ? |
| 05:22.26 | LiraNuna | I believe so |
| 05:22.37 | LiraNuna | maemo is based on gnu/linux |
| 05:22.49 | sarower | yes |
| 05:22.52 | LiraNuna | so just treat it as a "linux computer" |
| 05:23.15 | sarower | LiraNuna: hmm.... |
| 05:23.48 | sarower | but i have no such concrete solution in my hand |
| 05:24.10 | sarower | if you have...or any other referrence |
| 05:24.24 | sarower | then it would be helpful for mr |
| 05:24.47 | sarower | LiraNuna! |
| 05:24.57 | LiraNuna | I'm sorry I don't have anything similar |
| 05:25.09 | sarower | hmm thanks |
| 05:26.55 | LiraNuna | what is your goal? |
| 05:27.14 | LiraNuna | adhoc? (Nokia-to-Nokia communication) or client-server ? |
| 05:33.31 | sarower | between two internet tablet..... |
| 05:33.51 | sarower | LiraNuna! |
| 05:34.10 | LiraNuna | sarower, have you tried bluetooth? |
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| 05:34.38 | sarower | let me describe the matter |
| 05:34.45 | LiraNuna | NIT -> internet -> NIT might not be fast and might limit in situations where Wifi isn't available |
| 05:35.47 | sarower | i want to develop an application where the application will run in suppose two internet tablet...with internet connection |
| 05:36.13 | sarower | then i want to send data from one to another and vice versa |
| 05:36.52 | LiraNuna | why is the internet connection a must? |
| 05:36.56 | Luke-Jr | sarower: why require the internet connection? |
| 05:37.11 | LiraNuna | sarower, you can do that with bluetooth |
| 05:37.35 | sarower | other wise how to establish connection... |
| 05:37.46 | Luke-Jr | sarower: BlueTooth or adhoc WiFi |
| 05:37.52 | sarower | the two device may be anywhere in the worls |
| 05:37.53 | Luke-Jr | depending on range needed |
| 05:37.55 | Luke-Jr | oh |
| 05:38.02 | Luke-Jr | sarower: how about supporting all 3? |
| 05:38.08 | Luke-Jr | hmm |
| 05:38.12 | Luke-Jr | someone should abstract that |
| 05:38.34 | Luke-Jr | p2p mesh via BT/WiFi + Internet |
| 05:38.40 | LiraNuna | Luke-Jr, it's hard to abstract when you need an internet gateway |
| 05:38.42 | Luke-Jr | though adhoc WiFi conflicts w/ Internet |
| 05:38.49 | LiraNuna | yeah |
| 05:38.57 | LiraNuna | maybe a wifi/bluetooth adhoc |
| 05:38.58 | Luke-Jr | well, not entirely |
| 05:39.00 | LiraNuna | library |
| 05:39.15 | Luke-Jr | you can have adhoc and internet Wifi as long as the same channel |
| 05:39.16 | LiraNuna | Luke-Jr, you can have tether with bluetooth while wifi adhoc? |
| 05:39.22 | Luke-Jr | if the other user has internet also, they can talk over the net |
| 05:39.40 | Luke-Jr | if the other user lacks internet, they can switch to your channel |
| 05:39.52 | LiraNuna | of course that could be done automatically |
| 05:39.53 | LiraNuna | :) |
| 05:39.59 | Luke-Jr | yeah |
| 05:40.01 | Luke-Jr | but |
| 05:40.05 | Luke-Jr | makes scanning harder I guess |
| 05:40.21 | LiraNuna | just setup magic words |
| 05:40.33 | LiraNuna | LIBNITADHOC-CH11 |
| 05:40.34 | sarower | to use p2p with internet what kind of API support or library i may have to establish the connection |
| 05:40.47 | sarower | and then data transfering things will come |
| 05:41.30 | sarower | i think you are not catching my point..actually i am talking about an appplication development |
| 05:41.45 | sarower | not using internet tablet |
| 05:41.57 | sarower | or internet or BT in the device |
| 05:42.05 | Luke-Jr | sarower: we're beyond your poin |
| 05:42.10 | Luke-Jr | we're inventing our own mesh |
| 05:42.11 | Luke-Jr | :D |
| 05:42.36 | sarower | my application will establish connection between two device through internet |
| 05:42.55 | Luke-Jr | good for you, do it |
| 05:42.59 | sarower | and then exchange data in between them |
| 05:43.05 | Luke-Jr | in the meantime, LiraNuna and I have something actually innovative to invent |
| 05:43.41 | LiraNuna | sarower, I believe any p2p library will work |
| 05:43.57 | sarower | hmm........ |
| 05:44.02 | sarower | thats the point |
| 05:44.19 | sarower | LiraNuna! |
| 05:44.32 | LiraNuna | no need to beep me |
| 05:44.35 | LiraNuna | I'm here |
| 05:44.50 | sarower | ok sorry! |
| 05:45.08 | LiraNuna | it might take me some time to reply since I'm a little busy |
| 05:45.11 | LiraNuna | but I'm here |
| 05:46.24 | sarower | ok |
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| 06:12.58 | thux | morning |
| 06:13.50 | thux | what device is that? does anyone know? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTeUbx_nnM4 |
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| 06:19.23 | Corsac | You need: Linux kernel 2.6.30; a computer with a Broadcom 5974, Stantum, NTrig or DiamondTouch surface (the HP TouchSmart tx2 has a Ntrig surface, but you need to get the appropriate firmware from the NTrig site); our NTrig, Stantum, or DiamondTouch driver, or the Broadcom 5974 driver from Henrik Rydberg; our demo code. |
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| 06:19.29 | Corsac | I'd bet for the HP TouchSmart tx2 |
| 06:20.23 | thux | looks nice |
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| 06:20.39 | Luke-Jr | Corsac: what's that for? |
| 06:20.54 | Corsac | Luke-Jr: see the url thux gave above |
| 06:20.56 | Luke-Jr | I'm too lazy to go to the trouble to view Youtube crap.. |
| 06:20.59 | Corsac | and that's from the project website |
| 06:20.59 | Corsac | ha |
| 06:21.06 | Corsac | multitouch in compiz |
| 06:21.15 | Luke-Jr | oh, nothing useful? |
| 06:21.25 | Corsac | http://lii-enac.fr/ (french) |
| 06:21.27 | Luke-Jr | why does it care about wifi hardware? O.o |
| 06:21.38 | Corsac | wifi hardware? |
| 06:21.42 | Luke-Jr | Broadcom |
| 06:22.25 | Corsac | are you sure broadcom *only* makes wifi hardware? |
| 06:22.35 | Luke-Jr | no, they make more |
| 06:22.55 | thux | compiz is cool when device is slow like my 701, but any faster device i won't use it |
| 06:24.10 | Corsac | well the demo is slow anyway because they read from /dev/input/eventX and then send a dbus message to compiz to activate the effect |
| 06:24.33 | Luke-Jr | that seems like the best possible way to do that |
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| 06:25.27 | Corsac | I'm not sure completely bypassing X input layer is a good idea |
| 06:25.33 | Corsac | though it's the only way at the moment |
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| 06:29.37 | Luke-Jr | ponders treating the N8x0 touchscreen as a 'synaptic' mouse |
| 06:43.43 | ds3 | p |
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| 06:47.31 | Stskeeps | Luke-Jr: -synaptic does that.. |
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| 06:50.27 | Luke-Jr | Stskeeps: eh? |
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| 06:56.36 | Stskeeps | xserver-xorg-input-synaptics if installed is convinced n8x0 touchscreen is a synaptics touchpad |
| 06:56.51 | Luke-Jr | interesting |
| 06:59.22 | Stskeeps | annoying rather |
| 06:59.28 | Stskeeps | blows up ts support |
| 06:59.34 | Stskeeps | feel free to tame it |
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| 07:07.28 | thux | could you use tablet as bt-mouse with that input-synaptics? |
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| 07:08.43 | thux | some program act like remote bt-device |
| 07:09.03 | thux | remote control |
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| 09:07.46 | sarower | i am using maemo c++ to develop an application. I need to connect two devices (Internet tablet) / emulator (For PC) to send data from one to another through internet. |
| 09:08.03 | sarower | how i can do that? any library or API reference? |
| 09:08.10 | sarower | Any body else... |
| 09:08.18 | sarower | There who can help me. |
| 09:08.23 | sarower | !! |
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| 09:09.07 | ShadowJK | if both are connectable on the internet, standard bsd sockets api applies.. |
| 09:10.09 | ShadowJK | http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ |
| 09:10.40 | ShadowJK | I don't know, but I would guess that maemo comes with extra stuff to poke the device into establishing wlan connection if no connectivity currently available |
| 09:11.33 | qwerty12 | That'd be: http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/libconic/index.html :) |
| 09:11.35 | ShadowJK | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html |
| 09:11.44 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 09:13.08 | RST38h | I think he is asking a wrong question |
| 09:15.30 | ShadowJK | that's very likely :) |
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| 09:21.53 | sarower | ShadowJK: suppose i want to connect two emulator in two different pc. What should i do? |
| 09:25.53 | lcuk | sarower, you would do the same as if they werent in an emulator |
| 09:26.07 | lcuk | and not expect magical ether connections to work unless ip connectivity is available |
| 09:26.10 | lcuk | or some other tunnel |
| 09:27.04 | sarower | luck: yah.. i have internet connection |
| 09:27.14 | sarower | IP connection |
| 09:27.31 | sarower | you just tell the programming concept... |
| 09:27.54 | sarower | at least i want to hit the right point of my study |
| 09:28.22 | sarower | i am not wanting the concrete solution |
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| 09:36.25 | mib_5kqzf7 | i don't why there are so many function Eclipse can't recognize. |
| 09:36.45 | wazd | I've suddenly came up with interesting input concept |
| 09:37.09 | mib_5kqzf7 | what? |
| 09:37.41 | wazd | What if the screen could sense your finger aproaching to it but without actual touch |
| 09:38.13 | wazd | Close field IR or something |
| 09:38.36 | robtaylor | wazd: proximity sensor |
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| 09:39.04 | robtaylor | wazd: its quite easy to do, same techniques as old touch switches |
| 09:39.15 | lcuk | thats what the wacom does |
| 09:39.41 | lcuk | shouldv embedded a magnet in his finger when he had the chance |
| 09:39.52 | robtaylor | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proximity_sensor |
| 09:40.03 | robtaylor | wazd: i hear the iphone 3gs might have one(!) |
| 09:40.11 | lcuk | mornin rob |
| 09:40.18 | wazd | it's not the same thing |
| 09:40.19 | lcuk | thats a reality distortion field |
| 09:40.31 | robtaylor | lcuk: morn |
| 09:40.32 | wazd | it's for detecting your head and turn off the touchscreen |
| 09:40.52 | robtaylor | wazd: indeed, but its the same thing |
| 09:40.55 | lcuk | so you dont use your ear to disconnect ppl :D |
| 09:41.04 | X-Fade | wazd: And normally used for turning off the handsfree mode. |
| 09:41.12 | lcuk | not really, thats a single sensor - i think wazd meant to allow hovering over links and stuff |
| 09:41.19 | robtaylor | oh, i see |
| 09:41.23 | lcuk | X-Fade, thanks for accepting :D |
| 09:41.28 | wazd | robtaylor: not really, my idea is to detect where the finger aproaches |
| 09:41.29 | robtaylor | no, that's hard |
| 09:41.44 | X-Fade | lcuk: Heh ;) Well, that is not a lot of work ;) |
| 09:41.59 | lcuk | keesj was showing me some camera motion tool - when you train it to detect colors you can control the mouse by waving |
| 09:42.13 | robtaylor | you'd get too much interference from passing fields to do anything accurate |
| 09:42.14 | wazd | so on aproach UI can slightly zoom in nearby zone |
| 09:42.42 | lcuk | wazd - i know the few lines of code in liqbase to do the zooming scrolling thing |
| 09:42.43 | wazd | would be cool for keyboards and surfing |
| 09:42.45 | lbt | pressure is very similar |
| 09:42.47 | lcuk | and i think it will work really well |
| 09:42.56 | lbt | and actually works today |
| 09:43.18 | wazd | nah, there's nothing to do with software |
| 09:43.25 | lcuk | as you scroll im gonna make the list just zoom out slightly, the faster you scroll, the more it zooms out |
| 09:43.40 | lcuk | so you get more of an over view :) |
| 09:43.48 | wazd | No, my idea is not what you're describing :) |
| 09:44.01 | lcuk | i know that, but you just mentioned zooming in and out |
| 09:44.08 | lcuk | what you are describing is not possible yet |
| 09:44.14 | wazd | lcuk: cool anyway :) |
| 09:44.15 | lcuk | what i am is just a few lines of code ;) |
| 09:44.28 | lbt | it is possible |
| 09:44.41 | lcuk | to detect hovering over the touchscreen? |
| 09:44.57 | lbt | essentially yes |
| 09:45.03 | lbt | but with a 1mm offset |
| 09:45.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: Using the accel sensors you can also zoom when you notice that somebody is moving the device up to his face ;) |
| 09:45.08 | wazd | since finger has a charge, don't think that it's too hard to detect it |
| 09:45.20 | lbt | so when you touch it isn't a touch |
| 09:45.28 | lcuk | X-Fade, yah i know, theres other thingfs you can do with the accels :) |
| 09:45.32 | lbt | until you go 1mm *below* the touchscreen |
| 09:45.36 | lbt | by pushing |
| 09:46.03 | lbt | if you want to actually play with the idea |
| 09:46.17 | lbt | instead of wishing the harware was different ;) |
| 09:46.24 | lcuk | you just broke the paradigm, it will not be possible to get it right all the time |
| 09:46.37 | lcuk | its same problem as os2007 auto detect thumb vs autodetect stylus |
| 09:46.49 | lcuk | it works sometimes, but fails enough to frustrate some users |
| 09:46.55 | X-Fade | But using motions over the camera could actually be a good thing for scrolling, page flipping etc. |
| 09:47.19 | X-Fade | And probably not even very hard to implement. |
| 09:47.23 | lcuk | X-Fade, i do a lot of handwaving ;) i was messing with using a barcode rectangle to do that months ago |
| 09:47.26 | lcuk | no, its easy |
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| 09:48.03 | lcuk | will bbiab tho |
| 09:48.12 | X-Fade | Although it will take quite some power probably. |
| 09:48.15 | wazd | X-Fade: well, you can't do the same thing as, for example, mouse sensor |
| 09:48.37 | wazd | X-Fade: cause front camera has no backlight |
| 09:48.43 | X-Fade | wazd: Hmm can it spot IR? |
| 09:49.02 | wazd | so when you touch it with finger it will detect just black |
| 09:49.19 | X-Fade | wazd: Sure, but you have to hover over it. |
| 09:49.25 | X-Fade | wazd: Not completely block it. |
| 09:50.10 | wazd | X-Fade: possible but not quite comfy I guess :) |
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| 09:50.38 | X-Fade | wazd: Hold your N810 and keep your thumb above the camera. It is not that bad? |
| 09:50.40 | wazd | and focal range is important too |
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| 09:51.18 | wazd | maybe n810 camera can't focus on objets in less than 1m or something |
| 09:52.00 | X-Fade | wazd: For direction tracking it should not be that big of a problem. You only need to detect edges. |
| 09:52.15 | X-Fade | wazd: And those may be blurry :) |
| 09:53.56 | wazd | the best thing for scrolling is fingerprint scanner :) |
| 09:54.13 | X-Fade | wazd: Which is also a camera. |
| 09:54.32 | wazd | X-Fade: well, technicaly :) |
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| 09:58.44 | wazd | mouse sensor is a camera too :) |
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| 10:12.34 | RST38h | moo all |
| 10:12.44 | wazd | RST38h: heya |
| 10:14.02 | qwerty12 | wazd: Fixed no keyboard on join channel window in XChat, I'll upload a new build to extras-devel later |
| 10:14.08 | qwerty12 | moo RST38h |
| 10:14.19 | wazd | qwerty12: cool, thanks! |
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| 10:33.55 | lbt | X-Fade: hi |
| 10:34.03 | X-Fade | lbt: hi |
| 10:34.10 | lbt | having a problem with svg to png conversion : http://wiki.maemo.org/Image:Mer_workflow-option2.svg |
| 10:34.27 | X-Fade | lbt: Yeah, I saw that already ;) |
| 10:34.32 | X-Fade | lbt: Kind of a mess ;) |
| 10:34.45 | lbt | cool... would you like a bug report? |
| 10:35.07 | lbt | (it's OK when you click through isn't it?) |
| 10:35.26 | X-Fade | lbt: Well, that is probably mediawiki conversion.. |
| 10:35.33 | X-Fade | lbt: yeah, the actual svg is ok. |
| 10:35.57 | lbt | yeah... so it maybe that I should just convert locally and not waste your time... :) |
| 10:36.01 | X-Fade | lbt: Need to check what tool does the conversion. |
| 10:36.08 | lbt | as per http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious |
| 10:36.49 | lcuk | lbt, convert locally for now, but deffo mark a bug if possible, help others in future where possible :) |
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| 10:42.40 | lbt | X-Fade: also wanted to ask about a maemo.org Mer machine as per quick chat at CPH |
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| 13:49.58 | lcuk | what would you sleepy people be doing if you DIDN'T have a maemo device |
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| 13:57.59 | GAN800 | lcuk, working. |
| 13:58.14 | lcuk | are you working now? |
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| 13:59.31 | lcuk | GAN800, to expand on an idea lbt had - if you are working and have multiple devices, i dare you to leave one hidden behind a book shelf (pref religious) with ssh and speakers connected |
| 13:59.53 | lcuk | randomly from the other device you should make spooky sayings |
| 14:00.04 | lcuk | so when the fruitloops come into the store they will hear god! |
| 14:00.11 | lcuk | your sales will skyrocket |
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| 14:01.59 | GAN800 | lcuk, one of those nuts would start smearing feces on the walls. |
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| 14:03.15 | johns_ | Hi |
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| 14:09.08 | lcuk | ewwww GAN800 yeah you said |
| 14:09.36 | lcuk | you could promote good manners tho |
| 14:09.48 | lcuk | hi johns_ |
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| 14:15.40 | b-man16 | wonders if it is possible to port DirectFB to the tablets |
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| 14:27.44 | lcuk | b-man16, shouldnt be an issue, just make it interface with omapfb i think |
| 14:29.18 | b-man16 | lcuk: how should i do that? |
| 14:29.52 | lcuk | i dunno, you are the master brain! |
| 14:30.04 | lcuk | and when you get directfb working make sure you port webos to it |
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| 14:30.40 | GAN800 | lol, lbt, the Mer workflow looks like a subway map. :P |
| 14:30.42 | b-man16 | lol, shure |
| 14:31.27 | lbt | GAN800: yeah, it does doesn't it.... needs a timetable now ;) |
| 14:32.16 | lcuk | b-man16, damn i thought you were in 'liqbase lol |
| 14:32.34 | b-man16 | heh |
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| 14:35.17 | gnuton | Hi there |
| 14:37.15 | b-man16 | hello |
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| 14:38.29 | lbt | gnuton: hey... |
| 14:39.22 | lbt | we have wonderful fingerscrolling and thanks to fiferboy, great bounce and even 'header bounce' in tables |
| 14:39.37 | lbt | really needs to make a video |
| 14:40.07 | lbt | gnuton: we're desperate for you to post up to gitorious though.... |
| 14:40.07 | fiferboy | lbt: I'll try to borrow a video camera |
| 14:40.21 | lbt | fiferboy: np, I have one here |
| 14:40.28 | fiferboy | Ok, good |
| 14:40.30 | lbt | I just need to do it |
| 14:41.30 | fiferboy | Tables with both horizontal and vertical headers look cool during bounce |
| 14:42.56 | gnuton | lbt: I'm working on.. |
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| 14:43.26 | lbt | good good.... but I want it NOW |
| 14:43.53 | lcuk | lbt, the scaling thing i mentioned isnt practical in qt is it |
| 14:44.09 | gnuton | lbt: give me still some hour... :D |
| 14:44.10 | gnuton | lbt: hours |
| 14:44.21 | fiferboy | lcuk: Maybe when we have openGLE widgets... |
| 14:44.23 | lbt | gnuton: hey, that soon would be great... we can attack it this weekend then |
| 14:44.31 | gnuton | lbt: yes |
| 14:44.38 | lbt | thanks :) |
| 14:44.59 | gnuton | lbt: you are welcome. |
| 14:45.09 | lcuk | fiferboy, if your code is fast enough to do kinetics, why cant it just adjust the scale slightly? |
| 14:45.16 | gnuton | lbt: btw thanks to you and andrew for your work! |
| 14:45.17 | lbt | gnuton: not for now.... but I'm looking at DVCS/packaging http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Build/UsingGitorious |
| 14:45.50 | lcuk | will be testing it tonight anyway - i have devkit back up and running o/ |
| 14:46.02 | gnuton | lbt: okay ;D |
| 14:46.03 | fiferboy | lcuk: "fast enough to do kinetics" in some cases is just fast enough to do it with quite noticable staggering |
| 14:46.16 | lcuk | ahhh :( |
| 14:46.24 | lbt | gnuton: it would be good to break the Qt patches into feature branches (one day) |
| 14:46.55 | lcuk | fiferboy, but i gather it will be super slick on the faster new hardware |
| 14:47.08 | lbt | that diagram looks complex... but it really isn't... promise |
| 14:47.27 | fiferboy | David said it ran really nicely on the hardware at cph |
| 14:47.28 | gnuton | lbt: I'm already doing that... |
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| 14:48.20 | lcuk | fiferboy, have you run qt with this stuff on laptops etc (ive got a touchscreen lappy slate thing here), does it work well when you play on that sort of class hardware |
| 14:48.21 | lcuk | runs his x41 in powersave mode - 800mhz |
| 14:48.28 | lbt | so you should have 2-3 distro branches Diablo/Fremantle(/Mer) for the debian/ directory |
| 14:49.09 | gnuton | lbt actually we will have different branches for the features. (Style, input method and so on |
| 14:49.10 | gnuton | ) |
| 14:49.17 | lbt | and has all your features branched off upstream and merged in to master |
| 14:49.37 | lbt | yes, eg mer/foo mer/bar are features |
| 14:49.41 | gnuton | and several branches for each distro (diablo, fremantle, mer) |
| 14:49.45 | fiferboy | lcuk: When I test in scratchbox it works nicely. I have only ever compiled the finger scrolling in "hildon" compiles |
| 14:50.16 | lcuk | ahhh fiferboy, it should just work thou on x86 and windows and linux shouldnt it? |
| 14:50.28 | gnuton | lbt: pvt |
| 14:50.32 | lbt | excellent stuff gnuton... :) glad we're in sync |
| 14:51.00 | fiferboy | lcuk: Yes, but I haven't felt like building most of Qt in those environments (yet) |
| 14:51.24 | fiferboy | Also, the fingerscrolling code right now is in #ifdef Q_WS_HILDON blocks |
| 14:52.23 | lcuk | ahhh why tho - technically its a nice feature for people with any kind of slate - would it not be better with a specific #define of X_Y_FINGER_SCROLL |
| 14:53.03 | lcuk | damn must dash |
| 14:53.18 | fiferboy | later |
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| 14:54.31 | fiferboy | lbt: That diagram isn't complex? |
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| 14:57.19 | lbt | fiferboy: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/e/eb/Mer_workflow-option2.svg <-- complex one |
| 14:57.31 | lbt | wait 'til we write up the Qt one... |
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| 14:59.28 | wazd | what for are these diagrams? |
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| 15:06.04 | fiferboy | lbt: I think I kind of get it, but I still haven't wrapped my head around the collaboration of git |
| 15:06.29 | fiferboy | wazd: They show the workflow of developing with git |
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| 15:09.22 | lbt | fiferboy: I'm going to do a write-up... essentially each mer/* branch is a patch against upstream that adds a feature (eg fingerscrolling) |
| 15:09.40 | lbt | the point is to keep seperation |
| 15:10.01 | fiferboy | So if I am working from the master and want to compile all the feature changes, I merge in all the branches and compile? |
| 15:10.25 | lbt | a lot of this is packaging work |
| 15:10.35 | lbt | a developer who wants to add a feature |
| 15:10.46 | lbt | would clone |
| 15:10.53 | lbt | then locally make a branch off master |
| 15:10.59 | lbt | then develop a feature |
| 15:11.09 | lbt | then submit that branch to pkgers |
| 15:11.22 | lbt | and we'd apply it to a new feature branch |
| 15:11.34 | fiferboy | Ok, and if I want to make a change to an existing branch? |
| 15:11.39 | lbt | (or use git tricks to cherry pick) |
| 15:11.47 | lbt | why? |
| 15:11.56 | lbt | eg fix a bug in finger scroll? |
| 15:11.58 | fiferboy | Say I want to change something in fingerscrolling? |
| 15:12.24 | lbt | same process |
| 15:12.35 | lbt | but we don't create a new feature branch |
| 15:12.45 | lbt | we add a commit to fingerscroll |
| 15:13.03 | lbt | this is not a development workflow |
| 15:13.04 | fiferboy | I'm getting it |
| 15:13.16 | lbt | it's a package management and patch management workflow |
| 15:13.24 | fiferboy | Ok |
| 15:13.32 | lbt | dev workflow exists alongside.... |
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| 15:25.44 | andre__ | anybody knows about the "officiality" state of python support in fremantle? because in diablo it was not officially supported |
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| 15:29.43 | Stskeeps | not intentionally in sdk, i think |
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| 15:29.54 | Stskeeps | i might be positively wrong |
| 15:31.22 | johnsQ | shouldn't the bootmenu use fullscreen and zoom+ , zoom- to choose the entry? |
| 15:32.21 | Stskeeps | no, dpad |
| 15:32.39 | Stskeeps | 770,n800 way |
| 15:32.48 | johnsQ | I patched mine, then i can use both. |
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| 15:32.53 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:38.51 | johnsQ | so microsd card works, but i have to insert/remove sometimes :( |
| 15:40.07 | GAN800 | andre__, not official. |
| 15:43.39 | VDVsx | interesting, some months ago, I saw some jobs at maemo R&D about python bindings o_0 |
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| 15:50.55 | andre__ | GAN800, okay |
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| 15:59.20 | t_s_o | hmm, cortex... |
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| 16:15.29 | GAN800 | VDVsx, who do you think pays gnuton's salary? :P |
| 16:16.41 | VDVsx | GAN800, gnuton isn't a qt dev |
| 16:17.02 | Stskeeps | eh. he's nokian |
| 16:17.16 | VDVsx | I know working on qt |
| 16:17.33 | VDVsx | I guess |
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| 16:20.01 | user_ | is it possible to update extra repo sometimes today? |
| 16:21.17 | Stskeeps | noone moves to helsinki without a good pay in sight :P |
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| 16:22.18 | user_ | lol |
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| 16:23.03 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, some people like dark and cold places :P |
| 16:23.48 | Stskeeps | ah, right, geeks with pcs to warm them |
| 16:24.29 | VDVsx | lol |
| 16:25.08 | slonopotamus | maybe someone wants to pay me without moving to cold places? :) |
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| 16:25.54 | VDVsx | likes to have 40º in the summer :) |
| 16:26.28 | slonopotamus | 30º is acceptable :) especially with beer |
| 16:26.39 | user_ | or blunt lol |
| 16:26.45 | user_ | hehe |
| 16:28.02 | lcuk | VDVsx, 40º beer is yucky! |
| 16:28.30 | VDVsx | eheheh |
| 16:29.16 | lcuk | slonopotamus, they will pay you without you needing to move to cold places, but the daily commute will be a bitch |
| 16:29.43 | slonopotamus | daily commute - ? /me looks up dictionary |
| 16:30.41 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: your overlay can be added through layman |
| 16:31.00 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, is that a question? |
| 16:31.36 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: no a note, that it is possible, i tried to leave a comment on your page put got an error |
| 16:31.52 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 16:32.04 | slonopotamus | spammers leave them :) |
| 16:32.14 | slonopotamus | i think you should be able too |
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| 16:35.00 | user_ | any idea when extra repo be updated cause now its since 2 weeks now whitout updates??? |
| 16:36.54 | johnsQ | user_: be happy, no update, no broken packages. |
| 16:37.05 | user_ | hum |
| 16:37.36 | user_ | we have a date for next update? |
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| 16:45.40 | slonopotamus | wow |
| 16:46.00 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, didn't know. possibly luke added it |
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| 16:46.23 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, thanks, will update wiki |
| 16:46.35 | johnsQ | yes, i currently cross compile n8x0-env. |
| 16:47.02 | slonopotamus | cross? didn't like pre-cross-compiled image? |
| 16:47.09 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: emerge git layman; layman |
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| 16:48.31 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: i haven't seen ready image, but i have time. i have here 486 machines with gentoo. |
| 16:48.47 | slonopotamus | err |
| 16:49.40 | slonopotamus | jonsQ, http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0#resources first link |
| 16:51.09 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: yes, i started with this, but the ebuild of the overlay wasn't included. |
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| 16:51.32 | slonopotamus | 'build of the overlay' - ? |
| 16:51.36 | slonopotamus | argh |
| 16:51.45 | slonopotamus | 'ebuild of the overlay' - ? |
| 16:52.37 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, beware, last time i crosscompiled, there were troubles with python modules |
| 16:53.11 | lopz | hola |
| 16:53.18 | johnsQ | to boot on the card i need the ebuild nit-bootshell, linuxrc wasn't in the minimal archive |
| 16:53.31 | slonopotamus | wait |
| 16:54.02 | slonopotamus | linuxrc is installed by nit-boot-basics. or smth like that |
| 16:54.43 | slonopotamus | basic idea is to download, unpack, chroot, setup required stuff, then boot |
| 16:54.50 | slonopotamus | on tablet |
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| 16:55.23 | slonopotamus | of course, you can use crossdev/qemu/distcc for crosscompiling |
| 16:55.37 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: i'm testing with the other card on the device, meanwhile i compile with qemu-arm |
| 16:56.08 | slonopotamus | still doesn't know how to setup qemu-arm :D |
| 16:56.34 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, could you write small howto for qemu? |
| 16:56.51 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: its easy, you must only fix the gentoo ebuild to make a static version |
| 16:57.14 | slonopotamus | Lutz "johns" Sammer |
| 16:57.18 | slonopotamus | that's you? |
| 16:57.32 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: also build busybox static. yes that i |
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| 16:57.50 | slonopotamus | your comment was added, they're just screened |
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| 16:58.27 | slonopotamus | unscreened it |
| 16:59.03 | slonopotamus | tons of spam, need to setup some captcha |
| 16:59.47 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: okay got some error and thought comments was disabled because of spam |
| 17:00.20 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, comments plugin is somewhat... unstable :) |
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| 17:02.21 | DHR | my filters flag mail with subjects encoded in non-ASCII as spam. I just got mail from a Mac that said its subject was encoded in WINDOWS-1252 although all characters were in 7-bit ascii. Any idea why? |
| 17:02.45 | slonopotamus | we need more programmers. there are too mmany packagers around tablets, but all they do is just repackage same apps |
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| 17:04.25 | johnsQ | slonopotamus: I will later write howto setup qemu with gentoo and tell you the link. |
| 17:05.44 | slonopotamus | johnsQ, thx. if you plan to play with gentoo on n8x0, i can give you access to wiki/git |
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| 17:23.40 | GAN800 | VDVsx, anyway, my point is that Nokia pays money for things which aren't official. |
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| 17:32.25 | VDVsx | GAN800, and pyMaemo is one of them (INdt) :P |
| 17:33.19 | lcuk | GAN800, is that like having "business expenses" on your credit card bill |
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| 18:47.02 | wazd_n800 | I'm back!) |
| 18:47.42 | lcuk | wazd_n800 hi, did i see something about new x-chat update |
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| 18:48.43 | wazd_n800 | lcuk, well, qwerty12 told that he has fixed initial action pop-up input |
| 18:49.05 | lcuk | yeah - it was a bit annoying, even with n810 |
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| 18:49.18 | lcuk | i didnt know aqnyone was maintaining it tho lol, so i just put up |
| 18:51.30 | wazd_n800 | I've just tested n97 |
| 18:51.41 | lcuk | yeah |
| 18:51.46 | wazd_n800 | in our Nokia flagship store |
| 18:51.46 | lcuk | hows it feel |
| 18:52.10 | lcuk | heh - i once walked in a nokia store and asked to see the new touchscreen device, the guy looked at me like i was mad |
| 18:52.18 | lcuk | "we don't have any touchscreen phones here" |
| 18:52.20 | cmug | It is symbian so what do you think? |
| 18:52.26 | wazd_n800 | surprisingly pretty responsive, even with ancient hardware |
| 18:52.29 | lcuk | i dunno |
| 18:52.33 | lcuk | i dont own a nokia phone |
| 18:53.09 | cmug | :-/ |
| 18:53.23 | lcuk | owns a shitty crappy phone which was cheap |
| 18:53.28 | wazd_n800 | haven't played too much though, just look and feel testing |
| 18:53.46 | cmug | there are plenty of nokian's that are crappy and not cheap |
| 18:54.01 | wazd_n800 | I hope to use it more at the Nokia Mobile Camp on sunday |
| 18:54.39 | lcuk | cool |
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| 18:54.44 | lcuk | are you taking your n8x0 |
| 18:54.51 | wazd_n800 | well, to be fair, there are many cheap and cool nokia's also) |
| 18:55.02 | lcuk | +1 agreed |
| 18:55.23 | wazd_n800 | my 2630 is pretty nice cheapphone |
| 18:55.55 | wazd_n800 | ultrathin, strudy, cheap like crap) |
| 18:57.15 | wazd_n800 | If I and RST38h will fill one person with enough beer, maybe we will even use new tablet ))) |
| 18:57.51 | wazd_n800 | At least this person claims that he has it |
| 18:58.19 | lcuk | wont he pull out an n97 lol |
| 18:58.50 | wazd_n800 | nono, he knows what tablet is =) |
| 18:59.12 | glass | buy vodka shots |
| 18:59.19 | glass | faster |
| 18:59.26 | wazd_n800 | He can just not bring it to the camp |
| 18:59.57 | wazd_n800 | I think there will be no vodka there) At least oficially =) |
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| 19:00.15 | glass | ok, pour vodka from your traditional finnish secret bottle |
| 19:01.25 | lcuk | isnt that international espionage tho |
| 19:01.40 | wazd_n800 | last time I checked I wasn't Finnish =)) |
| 19:01.40 | glass | isn't drinking always |
| 19:01.58 | lcuk | the nokia camera phones will be trained upon you whilst you are all playing |
| 19:02.03 | glass | wazd_n800: ok, explains why you thought beer would work :D |
| 19:02.46 | wazd_n800 | I'm from Moscow xD |
| 19:02.57 | glass | oh wtf then :D |
| 19:03.02 | LinuxCode | wazd_n800, even more a reason to say you are finiish |
| 19:03.12 | wazd_n800 | Bears, vodka, matryoshka'n'stuff =) |
| 19:03.25 | LinuxCode | to participate in the game of international espionage and subversion |
| 19:03.39 | glass | yeah finland is traditional place for that stuff |
| 19:03.46 | glass | proletariat unite! and all |
| 19:03.52 | lcuk | isnt it "international espionage and git" nowadays? |
| 19:04.04 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 19:04.15 | LinuxCode | git as in version control ? |
| 19:04.24 | wazd_n800 | glass: personally I don't like vodka. Well, I like expensive one but it's too expensive in here =( |
| 19:04.28 | lcuk | well that as well lol |
| 19:04.42 | glass | wazd_n800: ah yeh you got it on tap in moscow |
| 19:05.24 | wazd_n800 | Well, that guy said tt he got this device from someone in nokia r'n'd |
| 19:05.25 | glass | wazd_n800: some russian grocery store vodka mixes were great though, and a price that couldn't be beat(when i was in st petersburg) |
| 19:05.29 | lcuk | http://bakonvodka.com/ |
| 19:05.43 | glass | wazd_n800: redbull was more expensive than energy drink with 8% in it |
| 19:05.44 | lcuk | thanks kot for introducing him to a new drinking buddy |
| 19:05.55 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: eeeewwww! |
| 19:06.16 | lcuk | well it all drips out when i pour it on my BLT at dinner time |
| 19:06.53 | lcuk | and home made bacon vodka is a bit weird, not used to straining rind through my teeth whilst drinking |
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| 19:07.30 | wazd_n800 | Absolut Mandrine ftw) |
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| 19:08.15 | lcuk | how do you manage to pour the wine into an orange without spilling it? |
| 19:08.20 | lcuk | vodka ^ |
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| 19:09.32 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: btw, talking bout your «nowhere to hide from it» liqbase search. Is it not functional on n800 |
| 19:09.36 | wazd_n800 | ? |
| 19:09.53 | lcuk | yeah, its in a proto state |
| 19:09.58 | lcuk | the package however isnt |
| 19:10.39 | lcuk | its instant filtering on text (as i show in the vid) but the images needs better caching to work in the general case |
| 19:11.04 | lcuk | oooh - infact on n800 lol no it wont :D |
| 19:11.08 | lcuk | you cant type |
| 19:12.14 | wazd_n800 | pity |
| 19:13.07 | lcuk | the filtering effect works really well tho, and when i get coding im gonna try that scaling thing |
| 19:13.17 | lcuk | the more i think about it, the more i think it will work really really well |
| 19:13.22 | wazd_n800 | why don't you consider to make liqbase some kind of SDK to build separatr apps with it? |
| 19:13.34 | lcuk | i have been doing :) |
| 19:13.42 | lcuk | libliqbase just arrived on garage its being setup now |
| 19:13.47 | lcuk | libliqbase is in extras-devel |
| 19:14.02 | lcuk | and liqbase-playground includes everything needed to create multiple standalone apps |
| 19:14.19 | wazd_n800 | i'm in the train now, so I'll test it tomorrow) |
| 19:14.51 | lcuk | heh you wont prolly cos the package isnt running correctly - its not an end user thing yet :) |
| 19:15.12 | wazd_n800 | cool, can't wait to see some real stuff on it) |
| 19:15.51 | lcuk | i have real stuff in it |
| 19:15.54 | lcuk | i have a memory :) |
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| 19:16.23 | lcuk | but the management of the bits isnt complete yet |
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| 19:16.43 | wazd_n800 | I mean some mature standalone app |
| 19:16.48 | lcuk | and theres still much work to do, this is a test build |
| 19:17.31 | lcuk | you might be surprised by how nicely the little pieces slot together wazd |
| 19:18.04 | lcuk | and how fluent the system works as a whole |
| 19:18.46 | wazd_n800 | I like Nokia style. Quim asked bout te status of F-Stars developement. |
| 19:19.16 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: yep, someone has told me same thing yesterday) Oh, it was you xD |
| 19:19.56 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: you're really overexcited bout liqbase :)) |
| 19:21.37 | lcuk | wazd, im pleased about how well my code is working :) |
| 19:22.25 | wazd_n800 | lcuk: no you're not =) You're really hot bout it =)) |
| 19:27.27 | Stskeeps | wtf is nokia doing in confessions of a shopaholic.. |
| 19:27.35 | VDVsx | eheh |
| 19:28.21 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, Hollywood marketing |
| 19:29.29 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, they have a office there, just for this kind business (music videos + movies) |
| 19:29.39 | Stskeeps | scary |
| 19:30.27 | lcuk | i wonder when advertising in games will come |
| 19:30.30 | VDVsx | as a example, the 5800xm appeared 10+ music videos so far |
| 19:30.35 | lcuk | have gordon freeman whip out a nokia |
| 19:31.07 | GAN800 | WTF is Stskeeps watching Confessions of a Shopaholic? |
| 19:31.31 | VDVsx | I saw that movie :P |
| 19:31.34 | VDVsx | shame on me |
| 19:31.54 | lcuk | hah good point gan |
| 19:31.55 | Stskeeps | GAN800: fiancee birthday |
| 19:32.13 | VDVsx | excuses... |
| 19:32.38 | lcuk | so you are sat watching a chic flick with your missus and typin on irc on your n800? |
| 19:32.52 | Stskeeps | n810 |
| 19:33.13 | lcuk | and shes ok with that ? lol |
| 19:33.25 | Stskeeps | gave her a n800.. |
| 19:33.38 | lcuk | dude, you should be giving her more than an n800 |
| 19:34.03 | lcuk | thats only 4 inches, you gotta at least let her have a smartq7 |
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| 19:34.18 | VDVsx | lcuk, lololol |
| 19:34.25 | Stskeeps | i don't appreciate your metaphor |
| 19:34.31 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:34.35 | lcuk | she doesnt either |
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| 19:35.47 | GAN800 | Hahaha |
| 19:36.10 | crashanddie_ | anyone noticed that the sarah conor chronicles and the beast are filled with blackberries? |
| 19:36.20 | fiferboy | lbt: qemu is way slower than scratchbox! |
| 19:36.34 | lcuk | only thing i notice about sarah connor chronicles is summar glau |
| 19:36.38 | lcuk | summer |
| 19:36.40 | lbt | fiferboy: err, yes |
| 19:36.49 | fiferboy | Oh well, hopefully it links |
| 19:36.53 | lbt | qemu emulates |
| 19:37.02 | fiferboy | Hopefully it gets to the linking stage |
| 19:37.03 | lbt | scratchbox uses native compilers and linkers |
| 19:37.22 | fiferboy | Well, I was hoping my home computer's better hardware would make up some of the difference |
| 19:37.30 | lbt | how many cores? |
| 19:37.41 | fiferboy | Just a dual |
| 19:37.49 | lbt | running -j2 ? |
| 19:38.03 | fiferboy | On the compile? |
| 19:38.06 | lbt | yes |
| 19:38.36 | fiferboy | Not unless it is in the debian/rules |
| 19:39.26 | lbt | you can do export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="parallel=2" |
| 19:39.45 | crashanddie_ | or you could just run scratchbox |
| 19:39.54 | fiferboy | I would have to do that before the dpkg-buildpackage, though |
| 19:40.01 | lbt | you can ^C |
| 19:40.01 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, anyway the movie is funny, and have a lot of reference to Finland and Nokia (pay attention to the beginning of the final credits :P ) |
| 19:40.09 | fiferboy | crashanddie: scratchbox doesn't want to link this huge file |
| 19:40.10 | lbt | and then re-run with -nc |
| 19:40.12 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: 188 |
| 19:40.22 | amr | i just had to reflash my tablet |
| 19:40.24 | fiferboy | lbt: Right, I am going to do that |
| 19:40.29 | amr | filled '/' :x |
| 19:40.36 | amr | i couldnt even remove anything |
| 19:40.36 | lbt | (there's no guarantee that qemu will either BTW) |
| 19:40.43 | lcuk | crashanddie, you have gone up by 10 |
| 19:40.46 | lbt | hmm... have you got enough swap? |
| 19:40.51 | lcuk | what happens when we reach infinity |
| 19:40.52 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: well, yeah, today :) |
| 19:41.07 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: number of hours I worked since thursday morning :) |
| 19:41.14 | crashanddie_ | err |
| 19:41.16 | crashanddie_ | tuesday |
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| 19:41.59 | fiferboy | lbt: I should be okay, I think. |
| 19:42.02 | fiferboy | 3 GB of SWAP |
| 19:42.05 | lcuk | what did you break? |
| 19:42.15 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: nothing :) |
| 19:42.32 | lcuk | phew, you managed to blame someone else ;) whats up tho? |
| 19:43.05 | lcuk | well if you dont get some sleep you wont get that again |
| 19:43.17 | lcuk | cos you will be ummm crashedanddied |
| 19:43.27 | crashanddie_ | you do realise I said that in notice |
| 19:43.35 | crashanddie_ | and that nobody else saw that |
| 19:43.43 | lcuk | yeah which is why i didnt say what it was |
| 19:43.50 | lbt | we saw |
| 19:43.50 | crashanddie_ | ok, good :) |
| 19:44.40 | lcuk | its the weekend tho - you should get at least 4 hours kip |
| 19:44.46 | lcuk | you know what happens in the movies if you dont |
| 19:44.50 | crashanddie_ | lol |
| 19:44.57 | crashanddie_ | <-- still at the office |
| 19:45.02 | lcuk | infact sod that - even if you do |
| 19:45.17 | lcuk | sleeping bag |
| 19:45.27 | crashanddie_ | yeah i got one in my drawer |
| 19:45.33 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:58.45 | lcuk | \o hey keesj |
| 19:59.38 | lcuk | keesj, your camera tracking thing http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/12/0450237/Why-Natal-Is-a-Big-Deal?art_pos=13 |
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| 20:05.40 | keesj | hi lcuk |
| 20:06.47 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 20:06.51 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@cpe-98-30-195-117.woh.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 5h 29m 36s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
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| 20:06.57 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:07.02 | xnt14 | just when I get home |
| 20:07.08 | xnt14 | one day of school left lol |
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| 20:07.15 | xnt14 | :) |
| 20:07.23 | xnt14 | has one day of school left :) |
| 20:07.30 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:07.52 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:08.02 | xnt14 | launches his new site v2 |
| 20:08.08 | xnt14 | done :) |
| 20:08.10 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.com |
| 20:08.15 | xnt14 | nit section coming soon :P |
| 20:09.30 | xnt14 | Guest20247: ping |
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| 20:10.11 | b-man16 | xnt14: pong |
| 20:10.15 | xnt14 | :) |
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| 20:20.42 | keesj | man xceleo.com |
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| 20:20.51 | keesj | no manual found |
| 20:21.08 | b-man16 | hm? |
| 20:21.29 | keesj | the navifation feels like my prefered window manager http://wmii.suckless.org/screenshots/wmii-20080117.png |
| 20:22.57 | b-man16 | heh, nice :) |
| 20:22.59 | xnt14 | :) |
| 20:23.09 | xnt14 | tiled manager? |
| 20:23.12 | xnt14 | nice :) |
| 20:23.20 | xnt14 | was testing xmonad for a while |
| 20:23.29 | xnt14 | the got homesick for gnome :P |
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| 20:24.54 | keesj | can't stand gnome but still use it becasue ubuntu really onlsupports that |
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| 20:25.46 | xnt14 | lol, im installing dwm on debian |
| 20:25.50 | keesj | if you don't run gnome you get all kinds of weird problems "firefox in offline mode","sound not working" |
| 20:25.56 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:26.00 | xnt14 | xubuntu? |
| 20:26.11 | xnt14 | can't get used to kde |
| 20:26.28 | xnt14 | so ubuntu/xubuntu/debian only for now :P |
| 20:26.37 | xnt14 | takes a bite of pizza |
| 20:27.19 | qwerty12_N810 | keesj: ran into the firefox one when I stopped using NetworkManager >.< |
| 20:27.38 | keesj | continues his search for locks in the house holing is lockpicking set and lockpicking book |
| 20:28.27 | keesj | the network manager stuff can be put off in some "about:config" but WHY do they think I care about being offline |
| 20:28.29 | xnt14 | qwerty12_N800: 0.o |
| 20:28.36 | xnt14 | yup |
| 20:29.04 | xnt14 | one day my network flaked out and ff went into offline mode, and I was like who uses that :P |
| 20:29.12 | xnt14 | ofline mode |
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| 20:29.19 | keesj | and the sound is the pulse-audio thing that somehow doens't work, but there are more of those "great" fetures |
| 20:29.21 | xnt14 | hates typing with one hand |
| 20:29.37 | xnt14 | like, the compiz problem |
| 20:30.03 | xnt14 | xfce + compiz = cube spining endlessly |
| 20:30.04 | xnt14 | :P |
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| 20:36.07 | b-man16 | lol |
| 20:36.47 | xnt14 | lol |
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| 20:44.01 | keesj | but my gnome/ubuntu anoyance level is getting higher and higer these days. |
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| 20:44.47 | keesj | an other good example "automount" is something I don't want. and every release it gets harder and harder to disable the thing |
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| 20:45.11 | keesj | the good old linux system did not have this problem |
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| 20:46.53 | ShadowJK | in debian and fedora you go through kde, xfce and gnome settings and disable automount :) |
| 20:47.47 | xnt14 | lol |
| 20:47.49 | xnt14 | same here |
| 20:48.55 | keesj | under ubuntu it changes every time. this time I had to put a file in /etc/hal/fdi/policy to "silence the automounter" |
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| 21:02.41 | jophish | what are the best parameters for video on the n810, bitrate, resolution, codec etc... |
| 21:03.27 | Stskeeps | i'd look at the wiki |
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| 21:07.36 | jophish | thanks |
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