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| 00:12.52 | Macer | for target i386? |
| 00:13.02 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, lbt, johnx, etc., can you make sure you add [[Category:Mer]] to the bottom of all Mer pages? |
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| 00:21.09 | lcuk | mmm any autobuilder gods around |
| 00:21.14 | lcuk | strange build results :S |
| 00:21.15 | lcuk | [2009-06-08 03:15:10] Processing package liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1. Uploader: lcuk, builder: builder1 |
| 00:21.15 | lcuk | [2009-06-08 03:15:11] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel' |
| 00:21.16 | lcuk | [2009-06-08 03:16:31] OK |
| 00:21.18 | lcuk | [2009-06-08 03:16:31] Building liqbase-playground 0.2.3-dev-1 for target 'maemo-fremantle-i386-extras-devel' |
| 00:21.20 | lcuk | [2009-06-08 03:17:41] FAILED |
| 00:21.28 | lcuk | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/liqbase-playground_0.2.3-dev-1/ |
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| 00:37.56 | Macer | points and laughs at lcuk ! |
| 00:37.59 | Macer | HA HA HA HA |
| 00:38.08 | Macer | grins :) just kidding |
| 00:38.22 | johnx_ | Macer: so how did that update go? :) |
| 00:38.36 | Macer | which one? |
| 00:38.38 | Macer | :) |
| 00:38.43 | Macer | opensolaris is running great |
| 00:38.49 | johnx_ | the hackOSX update |
| 00:38.49 | Macer | i'm on it right now |
| 00:38.52 | Macer | oh |
| 00:38.54 | Macer | i gave up :-\ |
| 00:39.04 | Macer | couldn't get a gbit working and spent enough time on it |
| 00:39.35 | Macer | but the artigo runs opensolaris great |
| 00:39.45 | Macer | i actually like opensolaris for a server more than nexenta |
| 00:40.06 | johnx_ | call me old fashioned but I still really like debian stable on servers |
| 00:40.14 | Macer | heh |
| 00:40.19 | Macer | zfs ftw ;) |
| 00:40.38 | Macer | if i can keep my raid zpool (which i should be able to since it's seperate from the OS) |
| 00:40.41 | johnx_ | LVM2+snapshots works perfectly here |
| 00:40.45 | Macer | i might install opensolaris on my fileserver |
| 00:40.48 | Macer | and get rid of nexenta |
| 00:41.15 | Macer | i just dunno abut lvms because you have that traditional filesystem layer on them |
| 00:41.29 | johnx_ | dunno about what part? |
| 00:41.57 | Macer | the part where you have to format the volume |
| 00:42.12 | Macer | with like |
| 00:42.15 | Macer | ext3 or something |
| 00:42.35 | johnx_ | yup. works great |
| 00:42.46 | johnx_ | been using it in a production environment for a couple years now |
| 00:42.52 | johnx_ | snapshots are totally awesome |
| 00:43.09 | Macer | oh i have no doubt that it works |
| 00:43.16 | Macer | i used it before |
| 00:43.33 | Macer | just like zfs better |
| 00:43.52 | Macer | maybe it's the integrated cifs/nfs stuff |
| 00:44.16 | Macer | or multiple filesystems in a pool with the ability to hard limit them or resize them fairly easily |
| 00:44.20 | johnx_ | from a design perspective it looks cleaner on a sheet of paper I guess, but in practice moving to OpenSolaris is a non-starter at my office |
| 00:44.23 | Macer | those sort of things seemed difficult for lvm :) |
| 00:44.39 | Macer | or i just didn't take the time to really learn how to use it to tell you the truth |
| 00:44.53 | johnx_ | you can resize volumes and then resize ext3 over them without problems I believe |
| 00:45.01 | johnx_ | not something we often do to running machines ;) |
| 00:45.32 | Macer | oh i understand |
| 00:45.43 | Macer | but i heard that lowering the size can be difficult |
| 00:46.01 | Macer | shrinking it may be a pain... honestly don't know personally though |
| 00:46.22 | johnx_ | I can honestly say that was never a use case I considered |
| 00:46.38 | Macer | as well as seeing people having problems using growfs to expand the ext3 stuff if they add more storage and want a larger single volume |
| 00:47.38 | johnx_ | supose so. never ran into that myself |
| 00:48.24 | johnx_ | anyways, headed out. gonna see star trek and stop tinkering with projects for a while :) |
| 00:48.31 | johnx_ | have fun with open solaris |
| 00:48.33 | Macer | good movie ;) |
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| 02:48.28 | neo__ | hi |
| 02:49.07 | b-man16 | hello |
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| 02:50.53 | tonyyarusso | Can anyone explain the format of the passwords.s file from the microb browser to me? I'm wondering if there's a way to decode one. |
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| 04:12.29 | timeless_mbp | tonyyarusso: feed it to a normal mozilla? |
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| 04:12.50 | tonyyarusso | timeless_mbp: I suppose that might work? |
| 04:13.34 | timeless_mbp | gets confused |
| 04:13.40 | timeless_mbp | is that a statement or a question? |
| 04:14.01 | tonyyarusso | both - trying it to see |
| 04:14.17 | timeless_mbp | you'd want an approximately equivalent gecko |
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| 04:14.47 | timeless_mbp | and sometimes there's another file you want to take |
| 04:14.58 | timeless_mbp | usually it's best to just take the entire profile directory |
| 04:15.22 | timeless_mbp | modern versions of firefox let you do: firefox -P /path/to/a/random/profile |
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| 04:18.02 | jaem_N810 | hey folks |
| 04:18.53 | pupnik810 | grah, esddsp broked again |
| 04:19.15 | jaem_N810 | just a quick question... is it relatively easy to share the wifi connection of an N810 over USBnet to a Linux desktop, or should I just forget it? |
| 04:20.12 | jaem_N810 | I understand Maemo's networking is a bit... strange |
| 04:21.36 | johnx | I managed it once |
| 04:21.51 | johnx | it's not the networking that was the problem, it was messing with usb modes |
| 04:22.00 | johnx | though my maemo install has grown somewhat crusty |
| 04:22.08 | johnx | I think I pulled it off with ipmasq/NAT |
| 04:22.54 | jaem_N810 | johnx: so it would be a fairly standard procedure from the networking end of things? |
| 04:23.13 | jaem_N810 | I'd have to look it up anyhow, but that would make it easier |
| 04:23.52 | johnx | if you have your tablet talking to your desktop over usb networking, then just grab the ipmasq/nat modules for the kernel, and follow any basic NAT howto on Linux |
| 04:24.08 | jaem_N810 | ah, okay |
| 04:24.29 | jaem_N810 | I run Archlinux, and I have yet to figure out how to set up usb networking on it |
| 04:24.42 | johnx | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.1 |
| 04:24.51 | jaem_N810 | oh... riiiiight |
| 04:25.08 | johnx | should be ok on any linux, might need to s/usb0/somethingelse0/ on *bsd |
| 04:25.30 | jaem_N810 | I haven't set it up at all in ages, and I half the guides I found were outdated and/or unnecessarily convoluted |
| 04:25.37 | jaem_N810 | thanks, johnx ;) |
| 04:25.46 | pupnik810 | i cant get uae4all working |
| 04:26.07 | jaem_N810 | night |
| 04:26.10 | pupnik810 | cu |
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| 04:30.19 | johnx | poke rm_you |
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| 04:31.07 | johnx | rm_you, if you don't tell me not to I'm gonna post a pic that includes you from Copenhagen |
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| 04:44.19 | pupnik810 | tear browser is wonderfully fast |
| 04:44.42 | pupnik810 | competes with desktop firefox |
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| 04:45.06 | johnx | yup, with that cookie fix that went in a while ago it even makes /. bearable |
| 04:45.21 | johnx | well, the rendering is bearable, it hasn't fixed the editing |
| 04:45.27 | johnx | *rimshot* |
| 04:46.51 | zakkm | the cookie fix one is faster? |
| 04:47.02 | zakkm | i have yet to update to the newest |
| 04:47.21 | johnx | just use qole's repository |
| 04:47.35 | zakkm | it wont refresh |
| 04:47.44 | johnx | bummer |
| 04:47.53 | zakkm | heh |
| 04:47.56 | zakkm | does it make tear faster? |
| 04:47.57 | johnx | well, yeah, grab the latest webkit then, defiinitely |
| 04:48.07 | zakkm | i use webkit nightly on my mac |
| 04:48.10 | zakkm | but yeah |
| 04:48.25 | johnx | so much yes. basically there was some slowdown with the way it processed cookies when loading a page |
| 04:48.42 | zakkm | awesome :) |
| 04:48.42 | johnx | so after the cookie database started to get big (like 200KB+) it slowed things down a lot |
| 04:52.04 | pupnik810 | ah |
| 04:52.19 | pupnik810 | i miss a "find |
| 04:52.27 | pupnik810 | in page" |
| 04:52.48 | pupnik810 | esp for irclogs :/ |
| 04:53.21 | johnx | yeah. that's my most wanted feature |
| 04:54.51 | pupnik810 | does mer have /dec/dsp support (oss)? |
| 04:55.57 | johnx | I don't believe so, but I'm not the one working on sound |
| 04:56.10 | johnx | I think the idea is to support pulseaudio and alsa |
| 04:56.40 | Macer | johnx: like star trek? |
| 04:56.47 | Macer | i thought it was pretty good |
| 04:56.48 | johnx | yup. lots of fun |
| 04:57.09 | Macer | like the way they side stepped the total trek nerds with the whole parallel timeline thing |
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| 04:57.23 | Macer | so you don't get dorkuses saying "That model of starship wasn't even around in that stardate!" |
| 04:57.27 | Macer | haha |
| 04:57.35 | pupnik810 | i dont have time to change sound backend to alsa |
| 04:57.49 | johnx | for uae4all? |
| 04:58.06 | pupnik810 | and others |
| 04:58.22 | johnx | maemo doesn't have /dev/dsp either, right? |
| 04:58.37 | pupnik810 | a new NES emu is working nice here |
| 04:58.54 | pupnik810 | mknod /dev/dsp c 14 3 |
| 04:59.05 | johnx | heh |
| 04:59.29 | pupnik810 | and using a seperate libesd with LD_PRELOAD through esddsp script |
| 04:59.45 | pupnik810 | but im not getting sound and dunna why |
| 04:59.47 | johnx | Macer, yeah, I also like that they didn't try to wrap it all up neatly in the end. I'd like to see more movies in this alternate timeline |
| 05:00.05 | zakkm | you guys all excited about wwdc09 in 12 hours?/ |
| 05:00.14 | Macer | me too. it was pretty good.. some of the stuff was the same. like when he cheats on the test |
| 05:01.07 | johnx | zakkm, I was lots more excited about the pre, but getting to play with maemo5 on a real device cured me of even that :) |
| 05:01.26 | Macer | heh |
| 05:01.37 | Macer | the palm pre? :) |
| 05:01.43 | johnx | yeah |
| 05:01.53 | Macer | isn't it an iphone raped? |
| 05:02.25 | Macer | say what you want about apple and an iphone but it seriously set the trend |
| 05:02.35 | johnx | you mean: "Did they actually pay attention to what the iphone did right instead of pretending like it never happened?" |
| 05:02.54 | Macer | haha |
| 05:03.05 | johnx | anyone who doesn't take some design cues from the iphone at this point would be worse than stupid |
| 05:03.10 | Macer | yeah.. now if only nokia would take notice with their phones and use something other tha symbian |
| 05:03.24 | johnx | it would be like ignoring the mouse when you're making a new desktop OS for the masses |
| 05:03.31 | Macer | haha |
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| 05:03.48 | Macer | yeah i suppose so |
| 05:03.55 | johnx | Macer, well they do have something besides Symbian in their stable :) |
| 05:04.00 | zakkm | heh i meant Snow leopard, not the new iphone :P |
| 05:04.18 | johnx | what are they even adding in show leopard? |
| 05:04.25 | Macer | zfs? |
| 05:04.26 | Macer | :) |
| 05:04.26 | zakkm | 64-bit support |
| 05:04.27 | zakkm | zfs |
| 05:04.33 | johnx | eh |
| 05:04.36 | Macer | zakkm: will it be able to boot zfs? |
| 05:04.38 | zakkm | openCL ( videocard acceleration over cpu ) |
| 05:04.38 | johnx | I'll probably give it a pass |
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| 05:04.58 | zakkm | heh |
| 05:05.02 | zakkm | dont know much :P |
| 05:05.02 | Macer | if thtey integrate zfs into the os properly.. it will be pretty awesome |
| 05:05.05 | zakkm | thats why im excited :D |
| 05:05.17 | zakkm | Macer: saw somewhere zfs is 10x faster than hfs+ |
| 05:05.19 | zakkm | or something |
| 05:05.23 | Macer | of course it is |
| 05:05.25 | Macer | :) |
| 05:05.30 | Macer | and 10x less bad |
| 05:05.33 | Macer | haha |
| 05:05.43 | zakkm | thats what im waiting for :P |
| 05:05.43 | Macer | why they stuck with hfs i will never know |
| 05:06.06 | johnx | well it least it has unix permissions |
| 05:06.15 | Macer | haha |
| 05:06.31 | johnx | the hfs tagline should read: well at least it's not FAT32, right? |
| 05:06.31 | Macer | yeah i suppose that's a + :) |
| 05:06.35 | zakkm | macer did you try that network patch |
| 05:06.38 | Macer | hahha |
| 05:06.50 | Macer | zakkm: i didn't see it |
| 05:07.00 | Macer | so i am guessing it is something that was already used on the disc but still didn't work |
| 05:07.16 | zakkm | might not of added it to that disc then |
| 05:07.21 | Macer | hm |
| 05:07.38 | Macer | well. i was wrokign more so on the opensolaris on the artigo lately |
| 05:07.51 | Macer | opensolaris is probably the best server :) |
| 05:07.52 | zakkm | ah i so want to update from 10.5.6 :P |
| 05:08.00 | zakkm | really? |
| 05:08.01 | Macer | i tried to do that |
| 05:08.04 | Macer | and lost all the drivers haha |
| 05:08.09 | zakkm | i have to make a server later in the summer |
| 05:08.13 | zakkm | web server mostly |
| 05:08.20 | zakkm | heh yeah |
| 05:08.22 | Macer | i guess i could have moved the backup extensions over to the update but i just got sick of the lan not working |
| 05:08.23 | zakkm | i backed them up |
| 05:08.30 | johnx | 10.5.7 works fine, but it failed to boot correctly one time |
| 05:08.41 | zakkm | johnx: real or hackintosh? |
| 05:08.48 | johnx | real |
| 05:08.53 | Macer | i think if i want to use osx i will just get an actual mac or something |
| 05:09.05 | Macer | johnx: it is rare that any leopard update does anything noticable |
| 05:09.12 | zakkm | .. |
| 05:09.14 | Macer | i think most of them are just to discourage running it on PC stuff |
| 05:09.16 | johnx | I noticed the fail to boot :) |
| 05:09.19 | zakkm | the updates do huge stuff |
| 05:09.23 | Macer | haha |
| 05:09.30 | zakkm | the 10.5.7 did a 20% opengl performance boost :P |
| 05:09.31 | Macer | zakkm: well.. it has zfs :) |
| 05:09.31 | johnx | yeah, new version of itunes! woo! |
| 05:09.35 | zakkm | and a 35% battery life |
| 05:09.39 | Macer | seriously? |
| 05:09.41 | zakkm | yes |
| 05:09.45 | Macer | on a macbook? |
| 05:09.46 | Macer | :) |
| 05:09.47 | johnx | uh huh. 35% |
| 05:09.47 | zakkm | noo |
| 05:09.48 | johnx | right |
| 05:09.52 | zakkm | it did~ |
| 05:09.55 | zakkm | on hackintoshs anyways |
| 05:09.59 | johnx | heh |
| 05:10.00 | zakkm | on the atom netbooks |
| 05:10.00 | Macer | lol! |
| 05:10.10 | zakkm | thats why lately everyones thinking apple is coming out with one |
| 05:10.21 | zakkm | cause the latest mac version gave a battery boost to them |
| 05:10.27 | Macer | well... i know they have zfs on there for some reason |
| 05:10.46 | Macer | which is a pretty moot point after you have already installed with hfs and can't really use it |
| 05:10.56 | johnx | ah! it must be atom based, battery powered servers! |
| 05:11.03 | zakkm | lol |
| 05:11.11 | zakkm | either way, the updates do alot ;p |
| 05:11.12 | johnx | leaks the news to engadget |
| 05:11.22 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:11.23 | Macer | no pools available |
| 05:11.34 | johnx | yup, after 10.5.7 my coworkers macbook fails to suspend sometimes too :) |
| 05:11.50 | zakkm | suspend to ram? |
| 05:11.51 | johnx | yeah, no pools in my neighborhood either |
| 05:11.52 | Macer | my mb has been fine. i've never had any problems like that after updating |
| 05:11.58 | Macer | johnx: hha |
| 05:11.59 | johnx | which is a shame cause the weather is so nice |
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| 05:12.14 | zakkm | has a neighborhood pool nearby, but no family owned ones |
| 05:12.19 | zakkm | cant swim |
| 05:12.22 | Macer | well. :) i wish a thing would have popped up that said "Would you like to conver the entire hard disk to zfs?" |
| 05:12.24 | johnx | only did it a couple times, but I seem to cause mac instability |
| 05:12.25 | Macer | then i'd be happy |
| 05:12.30 | Macer | zfs kicks ass |
| 05:12.32 | johnx | I have the same effect on windows installs |
| 05:12.52 | zakkm | mac osx rules :) |
| 05:12.56 | Macer | only time i had problems like that ... was with my G3 |
| 05:13.00 | zakkm | you guys use xslimmer? |
| 05:13.07 | Macer | going from like 10.4 to like 10.4.9 or something |
| 05:13.09 | johnx | xslimmer? |
| 05:13.20 | Macer | i still have that G3... i should throw it out or something |
| 05:13.27 | zakkm | takes out languages/ppc out of packages. |
| 05:13.36 | zakkm | making all the installed apps smaller size |
| 05:13.40 | zakkm | my itunes is 52mb :P |
| 05:13.40 | Macer | that sucks... i wish apple would release a ppc |
| 05:13.44 | Macer | just otu of nowhere |
| 05:13.47 | Macer | out :( |
| 05:13.49 | zakkm | lol |
| 05:13.54 | zakkm | snow leopard has no ppc support :p |
| 05:13.56 | Macer | like a G6 "Special PPC edition" |
| 05:13.58 | Macer | i know :( |
| 05:14.00 | Macer | bastards |
| 05:14.01 | zakkm | well maybe |
| 05:14.04 | zakkm | might change their minds |
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| 05:14.12 | Macer | heh.. no they're supposed to be getting rid of it altogether |
| 05:14.16 | zakkm | quicktime X looks awesome :D |
| 05:14.20 | johnx | zakkm, nope. I feel no need to hack up desktop OSes this decade |
| 05:14.24 | Macer | i hope they get into an accident .. and die for that |
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| 05:14.38 | zakkm | johnx: i love ibook's / powerbook g4's :D |
| 05:14.45 | Macer | heh |
| 05:14.46 | zakkm | wish i could afford one |
| 05:14.53 | Macer | G5s kick ass too |
| 05:15.03 | Macer | sigh |
| 05:15.08 | zakkm | computer is faster than the highest-end imac |
| 05:15.11 | johnx | I like my G3, but feel no need to put mac os x on it |
| 05:15.19 | Macer | lol |
| 05:15.24 | Macer | it isn't worth it ;) |
| 05:15.24 | zakkm | eww OS9 ? |
| 05:15.26 | Macer | haha |
| 05:15.30 | Macer | it slows it down pretty bad |
| 05:15.43 | zakkm | i hate OS9 has no intel support ;p |
| 05:15.50 | zakkm | i want to play the sims 1 :) |
| 05:15.50 | Macer | good! |
| 05:15.51 | Macer | lol |
| 05:15.55 | johnx | zakkm, nah, linux and wiiOS |
| 05:16.02 | johnx | or whatever the official name is |
| 05:16.05 | Macer | wiiOS? |
| 05:16.11 | Macer | wtf? |
| 05:16.23 | johnx | my G3 is a Wii |
| 05:16.27 | Macer | hahahha! |
| 05:16.33 | zakkm | wii's use ppc |
| 05:16.34 | Macer | can you put osx on it?? |
| 05:16.35 | Macer | :) |
| 05:16.50 | Macer | that would be awesome lol |
| 05:16.50 | johnx | I think it would be more fun to watch you try and do that to yours :> |
| 05:16.59 | Macer | no thanks |
| 05:17.00 | zakkm | what you talking about |
| 05:17.04 | johnx | yeah, like 70MB of RAM |
| 05:17.07 | Macer | i just finished getting my wii all hack0red |
| 05:17.08 | zakkm | you install wii emulation + wiimote on your mac PC :D |
| 05:17.35 | Macer | with all the games on an external |
| 05:17.35 | Macer | i have like 90 games on it :) |
| 05:17.35 | Macer | it's great |
| 05:17.36 | johnx | eh |
| 05:18.02 | Macer | the usb cover loader is awesome too. i was playing the mushroom men game |
| 05:18.04 | Macer | that game kicks ass |
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| 05:18.30 | zakkm | yo do you still need a wii modchip? |
| 05:19.23 | johnx | yeah, but most people call them SD cards |
| 05:19.23 | johnx | I'll sell you this 1GB wii modchip for $100 ;) |
| 05:19.23 | Macer | lol |
| 05:19.24 | zakkm | you can just use a sd card? |
| 05:19.32 | Macer | zakkm: yeah... it's pretty easy too |
| 05:19.43 | zakkm | no actual hardware hacking/physical? |
| 05:19.48 | zakkm | i would really like that for a friend |
| 05:19.55 | johnx | you do have to put the "mod chip" into the front |
| 05:19.59 | Macer | nothing major |
| 05:20.08 | zakkm | the n800 has taught me well :) |
| 05:20.08 | Macer | you have to keep pulling out the SD to get all the stuff on it |
| 05:20.22 | Macer | back and forth and back and forth until you get it right |
| 05:20.30 | zakkm | ? |
| 05:20.37 | zakkm | have to copy all data onto the wii? |
| 05:20.47 | Macer | no.. there are just a few apps that you need |
| 05:20.51 | Macer | but i kept screwing up |
| 05:20.57 | Macer | then there is also a modded bootloader |
| 05:21.04 | Macer | so you can back up the internal flash |
| 05:21.08 | johnx | it was stupidly easier back before the latest version |
| 05:21.12 | Macer | in case you update by accident |
| 05:21.26 | johnx | when I did it you just unpacked a zip onto the sd card, copied a save game and started playing zelda |
| 05:21.30 | zakkm | ahh i should tell him hah in the mroning |
| 05:21.35 | Macer | heh |
| 05:21.38 | Macer | i think it's easier now |
| 05:21.48 | Macer | that zelda hack looked like it would take too long |
| 05:22.07 | johnx | it really was exactly the steps I just described ;) |
| 05:22.09 | Macer | you can play online with it still :) |
| 05:22.31 | Macer | yeah but bannerbomb doesn't even require you load a game :) |
| 05:22.52 | zakkm | thats awesome, i should try that |
| 05:23.11 | zakkm | gotta go over anyways , gavea him my 160gb internal harddrive |
| 05:23.16 | zakkm | he had a 14gb harddrive for his pc, hah |
| 05:23.36 | zakkm | and i was going to clone the partition, and throw out the 14gb, but only had enough time to stick in the 160 |
| 05:24.10 | Macer | well. i'm using like 300G on a 400G and didn't even get all the games :) |
| 05:24.41 | Macer | punch out is ok. i found my GC controllers too so i want to start using that. i don't like the motion controllers |
| 05:24.52 | Macer | house of the dead overkill is real funny |
| 05:25.14 | johnx | the wiimotes are actually pretty fun for a lot of games |
| 05:25.27 | Macer | i guess. i don't like playing punch out with them |
| 05:25.27 | johnx | or maybe I'm just amused by novelty |
| 05:25.45 | Macer | and mario kart kind of sucks with the seperated remote |
| 05:25.45 | johnx | I heard you can use the wii fit board for punchout |
| 05:25.53 | Macer | although mario kart kicks ass :) |
| 05:25.57 | Macer | if you drift you get a boost |
| 05:26.12 | Macer | you couldn't win the n64 one without learning how to drift through the entire race |
| 05:26.13 | johnx | yeah, admittedly mario kart is no fun trying to play it by waving the controller around |
| 05:26.31 | Macer | well. you don't have to... that steering wheel crap is a waste |
| 05:26.44 | Macer | it's better with the controls in your hands |
| 05:26.55 | Macer | although house of the dead sucks without the gun thing |
| 05:27.10 | zakkm | i like super mario strikers :) |
| 05:27.15 | zakkm | the soccer one |
| 05:27.19 | Macer | overkill had me dying laughing during the intro |
| 05:27.35 | zakkm | dont game much, but remember when that came out, 2 friends and i.. omg that was fun |
| 05:27.38 | Macer | he'll cut your balls off "i'm gonna cut your motha fuckin balls off" |
| 05:27.53 | Macer | i'm glad nintendo didn't keep it all kiddie like they usually do |
| 05:28.00 | Macer | they allowed developers to make adult games |
| 05:28.33 | johnx | now if only they were allowed to make 'adult' games ... |
| 05:28.34 | Macer | remember mortal kombat when it first came out and the snes one was awesome but all the fatalities sucked and sweat instead of blood? :) |
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| 05:28.48 | Macer | lol. the wii penis attachment controller? |
| 05:28.54 | Macer | could see that |
| 05:28.59 | Macer | they probably have them in japan |
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| 05:29.10 | johnx | the thing already comes with a freakin' silicon condom |
| 05:29.17 | johnx | and it vibrates |
| 05:29.26 | johnx | this isn't exactly a real leap... |
| 05:29.36 | Macer | i could see them researching vaginas in the nintendo building basement |
| 05:30.05 | zakkm | lol |
| 05:30.08 | zakkm | how old are you both? |
| 05:30.33 | johnx | old enough to find 6th grade humor funny |
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| 05:35.40 | Macer | lol |
| 05:35.54 | Macer | this son of mine just will not go to sleep |
| 05:36.01 | Macer | i'm about to spike his sippy cup |
| 05:36.23 | johnx | "one for me, one for baby." |
| 05:36.26 | zakkm | omg |
| 05:36.27 | Macer | lol |
| 05:36.36 | Macer | it's 12:30am here |
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| 05:36.44 | zakkm | its 1;30am here |
| 05:36.47 | Macer | i hardly slept.. i'm dying |
| 05:37.05 | zakkm | heh dont trust him to sleep on his own? |
| 05:37.12 | Macer | no. he will |
| 05:37.23 | Macer | i don't trust him when he wakes up ;) |
| 05:37.33 | Macer | 3yr olds have a tendancy to do .... things |
| 05:38.29 | Macer | you know.. when you wake up and find that somehow these "erasable crayons" don't really erase as well as they should from the wall |
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| 05:38.43 | zakkm | :) |
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| 05:39.19 | Macer | transmission hardly uses the cpu |
| 05:39.30 | johnx | ah, there's a fix for that |
| 05:39.45 | Macer | what's that? load 50 torrents? |
| 05:39.47 | zakkm | did you hear about the transmission for mac bug? |
| 05:40.00 | zakkm | one version fo transmission a while back, started slowly crashing mac osx |
| 05:40.00 | Macer | no. never used it on a mac.. never used it at all really |
| 05:40.09 | zakkm | to the point it becomes unusable/ gotta reformat |
| 05:40.13 | Macer | only reason i'm using it now is because it's the only thing opensolaris has |
| 05:40.13 | johnx | heh |
| 05:40.27 | Macer | probably a problem with hfs+ |
| 05:40.28 | Macer | :) |
| 05:40.38 | Macer | like the smb/nfs forking of files |
| 05:40.52 | zakkm | doesnt use torrents, highly dangerous in his country |
| 05:40.54 | johnx | my search for a torrent client goes like this: pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? if yes, exit $SUCCESS |
| 05:41.00 | Macer | they need to fire the guy who didn't notice that idiocy |
| 05:41.08 | Macer | haha |
| 05:41.15 | Macer | yeah. that's why i used rtorrent forever |
| 05:41.18 | johnx | never moved off of transmission |
| 05:41.25 | johnx | ah, I did used to use rtorrent |
| 05:41.27 | johnx | worked really nicely |
| 05:41.34 | zakkm | my search goes : pick a torrent client: does it download torrents? can it be skinned? if yes, exit :P |
| 05:41.37 | johnx | once I put up a server again I'll probably start using it again |
| 05:41.46 | Macer | sure did. especially when you learned how to move the complete files to another dir :) |
| 05:42.07 | Macer | lol.. that was kind of a pain when it couldn't do that.. but yeah it works great if you have a good config for it |
| 05:42.08 | johnx | rtorrent has the best skins |
| 05:42.16 | Macer | it has skins? |
| 05:42.19 | zakkm | you can use "completed directory" as a network folder :) |
| 05:42.20 | Macer | ascii? :) |
| 05:42.30 | Macer | zakkm: that's what i do |
| 05:42.40 | Macer | for hellanzb and whatever torrent client |
| 05:42.40 | johnx | yup, just open the options for your terminal... |
| 05:42.49 | zakkm | i like mac terminal :D |
| 05:42.54 | Macer | i rarely use torrents |
| 05:43.01 | Macer | only under dire circumstances |
| 05:43.09 | Macer | or for testing |
| 05:43.17 | zakkm | johnx: do you use transmit for sending to nokia/sending from nokia.. sftp? |
| 05:43.32 | zakkm | ive found it very helpful |
| 05:44.01 | johnx | I use scp/sftp from the terminal |
| 05:44.03 | johnx | or rsync |
| 05:44.14 | zakkm | from terminal? |
| 05:44.18 | zakkm | dont like gui of transmit? |
| 05:44.20 | johnx | I guess I have cyberduck installed, but it usually takes more effort to use a GUI |
| 05:44.27 | zakkm | heh |
| 05:44.33 | zakkm | i click transmit on dock.. click nokia |
| 05:44.36 | zakkm | and then drag ? |
| 05:44.50 | Macer | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.50 | Macer | no pools available |
| 05:44.53 | johnx | the drag happens after you dig through your folders to find the right file though |
| 05:44.56 | Macer | wtf... |
| 05:45.09 | zakkm | and how do you do it in terminal? |
| 05:45.27 | johnx | scp Downloads/Music/foo.mp3 john@tablet: |
| 05:45.30 | zakkm | Macer: you have to make a pool :P |
| 05:45.38 | Macer | i know :-P |
| 05:45.39 | zakkm | johnx you go into downloads then music.. and type foo |
| 05:45.41 | Macer | areca 6.2T 2.0T 4.2T 33% /mnt/archive |
| 05:45.41 | Macer | areca/Downloads.Complete 6.2T 15G 4.2T 1% /mnt/archive/Downloads.Complete |
| 05:45.42 | zakkm | and it will goto the file |
| 05:45.45 | Macer | that's what i was trying to do heh |
| 05:45.59 | zakkm | johnx: if your in a directory you can start typing and it will goto the file |
| 05:46.01 | Macer | odd the way it uses the filesystems under the main pool |
| 05:46.25 | Macer | moving stuff acts as 2 seperate filesystems tho :-\ that kind of sucks |
| 05:46.45 | johnx | zakkm, I know, but I have a terminal open more often than a finder window |
| 05:46.53 | johnx | and hands on the keyboard more often than hands on the mouse |
| 05:47.20 | zakkm | omg i want your harddrives Macer :D |
| 05:47.25 | zakkm | i just have a 640gb in my computer |
| 05:47.36 | zakkm | cant afford more ;p |
| 05:47.42 | zakkm | only got 640gb cause it was $5 more than 500gig ;p |
| 05:48.38 | johnx | biggest drive is 200GB, yet I have over 1TB of total storage |
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| 05:48.51 | konttori__ | morning all! |
| 05:48.52 | johnx | er, scratch that, guess I have the 500GB one hooked in too |
| 05:48.59 | Stskeeps | morning konttori__ |
| 05:49.00 | johnx | morning konttori :) |
| 05:49.02 | zakkm | konttori: morning |
| 05:49.19 | zakkm | now Stskeeps comes here to chat :P |
| 05:49.41 | konttori__ | was yesterday making ukmp to be rotateable to portrait and landscape modes. pressing space rotates the entire UI now. |
| 05:50.04 | zakkm | konttori: that leaves out the n800 ppl :) |
| 05:50.15 | konttori__ | well, it can be some other button as well |
| 05:50.21 | zakkm | :) |
| 05:50.29 | zakkm | i dont know how to use that player ;p |
| 05:50.34 | konttori__ | Hmm.. I need to backport the fremantle ukmp to the 'old' devices |
| 05:50.34 | zakkm | started using gpe audio player hah |
| 05:50.41 | konttori__ | lol! |
| 05:51.06 | zakkm | or my 256mb mp3 player soemtimes |
| 05:52.31 | konttori__ | likes the streamtuner a lot as well as youamp. (in addition to the obvious canola2 and ukmp) |
| 05:58.31 | johnx | off topic: any suggestions for a command line player (besides mplayer) that supports pulseaudio output? |
| 06:02.40 | zakkm | johnx: hows that off topic? |
| 06:02.47 | zakkm | talking about music players here |
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| 06:03.02 | johnx | well, it's not really a maemo question |
| 06:03.30 | Stskeeps | fremantle q maybe |
| 06:03.40 | zakkm | cant mpd do it? |
| 06:03.53 | zakkm | herrie can i think |
| 06:04.46 | zakkm | johnx: Herrie now has native PulseAudio, Mac OS X, and ALSA audio output modules |
| 06:05.08 | thux | morning |
| 06:05.14 | zakkm | how come theres no mpd for maemo? |
| 06:05.21 | zakkm | it cant find it |
| 06:05.42 | johnx | thanks. herrie looks useful for testing :) |
| 06:05.55 | zakkm | how come i can get sonata, but no mpd :( |
| 06:06.19 | qwerty12 | zakkm: There's an old version in garage. I built a kick ass version one (supported *every* format and VFP) but I lost the effin debs >.<) |
| 06:06.36 | zakkm | supported every format |
| 06:06.39 | zakkm | i only use ogg / mp3 :P |
| 06:06.49 | zakkm | theres not many popular ones ;p |
| 06:06.52 | qwerty12 | Ah, but I was on an MPD high then :P |
| 06:06.57 | qwerty12 | *a |
| 06:07.20 | zakkm | maemo garage one is from 2007 ;p |
| 06:08.11 | zakkm | wait wouldnt a normal arm one work? |
| 06:08.18 | zakkm | its not exactly a gui |
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| 06:08.49 | zakkm | http://packages.debian.org/experimental/armel/mpd/download would that work? |
| 06:08.56 | qwerty12 | No, because they need to be built with ao support enabled and debian builds are not done with that last time I checked. |
| 06:09.16 | zakkm | ah man :( |
| 06:09.26 | zakkm | i really should learn scratchbox and stuff |
| 06:09.28 | zakkm | is it hard? |
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| 06:10.08 | johnx | only if you want to do things that are fun |
| 06:10.32 | zakkm | no just normal like mpd and such |
| 06:10.36 | zakkm | things i want :) |
| 06:11.35 | pupnik810 | i thought there was mpd on garage |
| 06:11.40 | zakkm | its from 2007 |
| 06:11.47 | zakkm | example ;p |
| 06:12.32 | zakkm | how hard is it? |
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| 06:12.49 | pupnik810 | i did it and am not really a coder |
| 06:13.00 | zakkm | how long it take? |
| 06:13.18 | zakkm | good mac support ? :D |
| 06:13.18 | pupnik810 | a couple weeks |
| 06:13.30 | zakkm | couple of weeks to install? |
| 06:13.55 | pupnik810 | to where i learned enough to start using it |
| 06:14.07 | johnx | no mac support |
| 06:14.25 | zakkm | no mac ? :O |
| 06:14.27 | johnx | it relies on lots of really linux-specific functionality |
| 06:14.31 | zakkm | johnx: how do oyou do it then? |
| 06:14.37 | johnx | I use linux |
| 06:14.41 | zakkm | on a mac? |
| 06:14.46 | johnx | no, on linux |
| 06:14.50 | zakkm | i dont want to leave mac :( |
| 06:14.53 | johnx | I have a work macbook |
| 06:14.58 | johnx | and I have a home linux machine |
| 06:15.03 | zakkm | ahh |
| 06:15.07 | zakkm | i dont want to leave mac :( |
| 06:15.10 | zakkm | would virtualbox do? |
| 06:15.14 | johnx | install vmware or virtual box or something |
| 06:15.15 | johnx | yeha |
| 06:15.21 | zakkm | i got the 2.2.4 :P |
| 06:15.25 | zakkm | wanted to test out compiz :D |
| 06:15.37 | johnx | just grab the scratchbox sdk vmdk then |
| 06:15.38 | zakkm | theres compiz support inside virtual machine :D |
| 06:15.55 | zakkm | is it up to date? |
| 06:16.01 | ShadowJK | there's a scratchbox sdk vmdk? :) |
| 06:16.08 | zakkm | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/requirements_documentation.html ? |
| 06:16.27 | zakkm | Under OS X, for some reason, the network interfaces aren't configured as expected, so the interface can be either eth0, eth1, eth2, or eth3 in some cases. dhclient will catch them |
| 06:16.31 | zakkm | :( |
| 06:17.13 | zakkm | johnx: which do i get? |
| 06:17.26 | *** part/#maemo john_G (n=john@host86-154-10-50.range86-154.btcentralplus.com) |
| 06:17.31 | zakkm | Maemo_Diablo_Ubuntu_Intrepid_Server_SDK_Virtual_Image.zip |
| 06:17.33 | zakkm | is that right? |
| 06:17.41 | johnx | get the desktop one |
| 06:17.46 | zakkm | that filesize is too big |
| 06:17.56 | johnx | given that you seem to enjoy the GUI, you want the desktop version |
| 06:17.57 | zakkm | im over my bandwidth and it charges $2 a gb for going over |
| 06:18.02 | zakkm | i hate ubuntu though |
| 06:18.03 | zakkm | :) |
| 06:18.09 | zakkm | and its in a virtual machine so i wont mind |
| 06:18.37 | zakkm | Maemo Diablo SDK Virtual Image with Ubuntu Intrepid Server (for Eclipse IDE and for other than Debian based Linux host PCs) |
| 06:18.39 | zakkm | 235mb? |
| 06:18.41 | zakkm | is that what i want? |
| 06:18.56 | johnx | er, maybe? |
| 06:18.59 | johnx | I've never used it |
| 06:19.08 | zakkm | no like is that the proper thing for nokia making? |
| 06:19.15 | zakkm | i download that, and i can start? |
| 06:19.18 | johnx | yeah, I've never used the vmware image |
| 06:19.22 | johnx | I don't know |
| 06:19.53 | johnx | I'd give it a firm "probably" though |
| 06:20.01 | zakkm | okay getting it |
| 06:20.04 | zakkm | done in 13 min :) |
| 06:20.15 | zakkm | 378kb/s .. i got slow internet :D |
| 06:20.35 | zakkm | is there a crazy long scratchbox manual i can read? |
| 06:20.42 | johnx | oh, definitely |
| 06:20.54 | johnx | search for: maemo sdk documentation |
| 06:21.10 | zakkm | waitt |
| 06:21.11 | zakkm | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/beta1/requirements_documentation.html |
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| 06:21.19 | zakkm | its like add to /etc/rc.local.. does that mean i have to do that? |
| 06:21.21 | zakkm | or they did that |
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| 06:23.03 | Macer | hm. |
| 06:23.08 | Macer | how do i chmod without touching dirs |
| 06:23.17 | zakkm | ? |
| 06:23.26 | zakkm | without changing timestamp? |
| 06:23.40 | Macer | well.. actually what is a chmod tha will let me give owner rw access to files. group r to files.. and both rx to dirs? |
| 06:23.48 | Macer | the directories confuse me |
| 06:24.27 | Macer | i want to change perms to a huge dir with a ton of files but don't know what number would make certain changes to dirs (make them x so they can be entered) without making files x |
| 06:24.32 | zakkm | you can do like chmod -rw-rrr-rw-r FILE/directory |
| 06:24.34 | zakkm | or you can do numbers |
| 06:24.37 | johnx | chmod -R a+rX /foo && chmod -R o+w /foo |
| 06:24.44 | zakkm | like chmod 755 ___ |
| 06:24.52 | zakkm | 777, 555, 577 |
| 06:25.13 | johnx | s/+o/+og/ |
| 06:25.25 | zakkm | Macer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod gives examples and tells you ;p |
| 06:25.29 | johnx | if you want owner and group to have write |
| 06:25.41 | zakkm | chmod -R u+w,go-w docs/change the permissions of the directory docs and all its contents to add write access for the user, and deny write access for everybody else. |
| 06:25.44 | johnx | the capital X is the magic you're looking for though |
| 06:25.44 | Macer | johnx: i want owner to have write and group to have read |
| 06:25.47 | ShadowJK | "This image does not include Maemo SDK Development Environment" |
| 06:25.53 | Macer | it's the directories that screw me up :) |
| 06:25.56 | Macer | is it? |
| 06:25.58 | zakkm | ShadowJK: is that from the vmdk? |
| 06:26.01 | johnx | then, I think my first example is correct |
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| 06:26.06 | Macer | it only makes dirs +x? |
| 06:26.29 | johnx | it only makes things +x if they're +x for someone already |
| 06:26.37 | ShadowJK | zakkm, the readme file for the "tiny" vmdk download |
| 06:26.45 | zakkm | thats what i want though :( |
| 06:26.58 | zakkm | johnx: you lied to me!? :D |
| 06:27.09 | zakkm | so how do i install sdk development environment then |
| 06:27.10 | Macer | normally i'd use gentoo to chmod the stuff but it doesn't seem to work very well for it in nexenta |
| 06:27.22 | zakkm | its the same chmod ...? |
| 06:28.10 | zakkm | ShadowJK: dang, so how do i install the stuff then |
| 06:28.39 | Macer | :) that's the one johnx .. let me give it a try |
| 06:28.41 | johnx | zakkm, I said probably when you twisted my arm |
| 06:28.48 | zakkm | hah |
| 06:28.51 | zakkm | how do i install it then? |
| 06:28.57 | zakkm | im so close to finish downloading i might as well keep it |
| 06:29.16 | johnx | google: install maemo sdk |
| 06:29.38 | johnx | but in the end you'll end up downloading as much or more then just grabbing the desktop version that's listed there |
| 06:29.47 | Macer | hope that worked |
| 06:29.51 | Macer | otherwise i'm in for a treat haha |
| 06:30.09 | johnx | heh, I need to start putting boilerplate disclaimers on my advice |
| 06:30.15 | zakkm | johnx: really? :( |
| 06:30.17 | zakkm | thats a huge download |
| 06:30.34 | Macer | oops. always get user and others confused :) keep thinking the o is owner |
| 06:30.35 | johnx | the maemo sdk is like ~500MB+ |
| 06:30.45 | Macer | my son finally passed out |
| 06:30.46 | Macer | ! |
| 06:30.58 | zakkm | johnx: thats still better than the other images ;p |
| 06:31.03 | zakkm | the desktop one was like 1.8gb |
| 06:31.08 | johnx | Macer, heh. that's my fault. I did it backwards too |
| 06:32.01 | konttori__ | is there already a fremantle vmware image? |
| 06:32.47 | Macer | heh.. no.. usually i wouldn't have noticed and done the same thing ;) |
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| 06:32.54 | Macer | i keep thinking "o" .. "owner" |
| 06:33.01 | Macer | i'm sure it's a common mistake :) |
| 06:33.31 | Macer | i need to make a new group for this. blah.. i'll do that tomorrow |
| 06:33.42 | Macer | is going to start the archive group! woot! |
| 06:35.54 | zakkm | wooh its booting |
| 06:39.19 | zakkm | do i want eclipse-based ide? |
| 06:39.25 | zakkm | or nokia binaries? |
| 06:40.09 | johnx | isn't making any more suggestions |
| 06:40.14 | zakkm | heh why not |
| 06:40.17 | zakkm | i was kidding :P |
| 06:40.25 | zakkm | kk its downloading :) |
| 06:40.28 | johnx | then probably nokia binaries |
| 06:41.10 | zakkm | i chose diablo4.1.2 armel and i386 |
| 06:41.10 | johnx | you should only need eclipse if you're planning on doing a lot of coding |
| 06:41.10 | zakkm | nope :) |
| 06:41.10 | zakkm | just porting ^^ |
| 06:41.10 | zakkm | i cant code well |
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| 06:41.17 | zakkm | well cant code in any maemo languages anyways |
| 06:41.39 | johnx | not many languages that aren't available on maemo except for vb |
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| 06:41.49 | zakkm | heh or useful |
| 06:42.23 | zakkm | can do object oriental turing :P lol |
| 06:42.37 | johnx | oriental turing? |
| 06:42.50 | zakkm | yeah |
| 06:42.50 | zakkm | :D |
| 06:43.00 | johnx | is that an asian language? |
| 06:43.07 | zakkm | lol its a begineer omne |
| 06:43.22 | johnx | object oriented turing perhaps? |
| 06:43.31 | zakkm | ah yes sorry |
| 06:43.37 | johnx | heh |
| 06:43.56 | zakkm | http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/maemo-sdk-installer.py |
| 06:43.57 | johnx | usually I'm not a spelling jerk, but it was just too perfect of a setup |
| 06:43.58 | zakkm | ahh |
| 06:44.05 | zakkm | Turing is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_programming_language-like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_language developed in 1982 by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ric_Holt and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Cordy, then of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Toronto, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada. Turing is a descendant of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclid_programming_language, http://en.wik |
| 06:44.13 | zakkm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_(programming_language) |
| 06:44.45 | zakkm | johnx: im tired, its 2;44am here |
| 06:45.25 | johnx | no mean intent, I'm just a sucker for making crappy puns |
| 06:45.39 | zakkm | so you say maemo sdk is 500mb-ish? |
| 06:45.48 | johnx | probably around that |
| 06:45.58 | johnx | give or take ~100MB in either direction |
| 06:46.03 | zakkm | kk ill wait |
| 06:46.14 | zakkm | wondering if its worth waiting, or goto bed and leave it downloading |
| 06:46.31 | zakkm | heh think its about time i contributed some way |
| 06:47.30 | johnx | sounds good :) |
| 06:49.38 | zakkm | "installing tools environment etch-2008 (takes about 15min ) |
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| 06:58.23 | Macer | hm. how does osx use nfs ? |
| 06:58.44 | zakkm | in sharing :D |
| 06:58.45 | Macer | never mind :) i'll figure that crap out later... i'm going to sleep |
| 06:58.53 | johnx | 'night Macer |
| 06:58.56 | Macer | well. i guess zfs having different filesystems |
| 06:59.09 | Macer | one mounted within the directory of another |
| 06:59.14 | Macer | doesn't allow for moving files correctly |
| 06:59.20 | Macer | not using smb at least |
| 06:59.30 | Macer | it will move up to 3G then give me some wierd error |
| 06:59.47 | zakkm | night Macer :) |
| 06:59.55 | Macer | good night ;) |
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| 07:32.20 | DHR | I want to load Gnumeric on my 770 running OS2006. It is the first item on this page: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2006/office-business/ But it doesn't work. |
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| 07:32.49 | DHR | I think that this is because http://www.maemo.org.br no longer exists. |
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| 07:33.07 | zakkm | DHR: give me a sec |
| 07:33.53 | DHR | I can download gnumeric.install (from something in .it (don't remember)). It refers to http://www.maemo.org.br as a repo |
| 07:34.36 | zakkm | nobody really uses os2006 anymore |
| 07:34.56 | DHR | well, what can I do with my 770 then? |
| 07:34.58 | RST38h | HELO ALL |
| 07:35.03 | zakkm | scirocco or mistral is it? |
| 07:35.10 | DHR | mistral, I think |
| 07:35.19 | RST38h | you can install 2008HE |
| 07:35.21 | zakkm | DHR: mer runs quite well i believe, which would give you nice new programs and such |
| 07:35.46 | zakkm | or even 2007/2008he |
| 07:35.47 | zakkm | but onesec |
| 07:35.50 | DHR | sorry, I'm a bit ignorant. mer? |
| 07:36.02 | zakkm | alternate distro. |
| 07:36.34 | DHR | I thought that 64M of RAM was unlikely to be comfortable with the distros aimed at n800 and later. Am I wrong? |
| 07:37.09 | zakkm | 2007he/2008he might not run as well |
| 07:37.22 | zakkm | but even still, there are enough other boosts |
| 07:37.23 | Stskeeps | 2007he runs better than mer on 770 atm |
| 07:37.23 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:37.26 | zakkm | that it would more than balance out |
| 07:37.39 | zakkm | stskeeps: 2006 is mistral right? |
| 07:37.44 | Stskeeps | no clue |
| 07:37.48 | Stskeeps | look it up in /Codenames |
| 07:37.53 | zakkm | trying to find gnumeric in the repository |
| 07:38.15 | zakkm | ohh gregale |
| 07:38.20 | DHR | a lot of the repo lines in the application manager say mistral, so I thing that is it. |
| 07:38.48 | zakkm | its not in gregale extras :( |
| 07:39.00 | zakkm | Stskeeps: think 2007he is better than 2006, on 770? |
| 07:39.04 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 07:39.18 | zakkm | DHR: would you update? :) |
| 07:39.28 | zakkm | your have to reflash :( |
| 07:39.31 | zakkm | can backup first though |
| 07:39.59 | DHR | hmmm. I'm thinking about it. I don't rule it out. Is 2007he still supported by the community? |
| 07:40.02 | qwerty12 | EHLO RST38h |
| 07:40.12 | zakkm | DHR: nope, but its alot better than 2006 |
| 07:40.23 | zakkm | i personally love 2007he way more than 2008 |
| 07:40.47 | DHR | gnumeric.install contains the line: repo_deb = deb http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt/ mistral user |
| 07:40.57 | zakkm | yeah |
| 07:41.06 | zakkm | trying to find you the deb file |
| 07:42.02 | DHR | Hmm. the wayback machine has http://www.maemo.org.br/platform/apt |
| 07:42.22 | zakkm | couldnt download it, it wouldnt save deb files ;p |
| 07:42.38 | zakkm | how you still using 2006 ? :p |
| 07:43.24 | DHR | actually, picked the 770 up off the shelf after a couple of years. Want to use it for a little database. Gnumeric seems the best bet. |
| 07:43.50 | RST38h | Gnumeric is no database |
| 07:43.54 | zakkm | you used it years ago? |
| 07:43.56 | DHR | Is binary-arm or binary-armel likely to be the right directory |
| 07:43.57 | zakkm | gnumeric is spreadsheet |
| 07:44.07 | zakkm | armel |
| 07:44.33 | zakkm | would have to be for maemo os2006 tho |
| 07:44.34 | DHR | spreadsheets kind of function like databases (crudely). Somewhat better than, say, vim |
| 07:44.56 | DHR | what is armel. ARM, I know. What does the "el" signify? |
| 07:45.09 | zakkm | not a clue :P |
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| 07:45.18 | RST38h | EviL? |
| 07:45.34 | qwerty12 | little endian |
| 07:45.46 | rmt | DHR, Yes. |
| 07:46.15 | zakkm | DHR: you have gregale extras devel repo installed right? |
| 07:46.56 | DHR | not that I know of. What is it? Another cache of goodies? |
| 07:47.01 | zakkm | yeah |
| 07:47.14 | zakkm | mplayer, mirage, canola, kagu and such |
| 07:47.25 | zakkm | pidgin? |
| 07:48.21 | DHR | all those are listed in maemo's download section (as is the gnumeric). At the moment, I just want something to deal with a flat database. |
| 07:48.33 | zakkm | im tryign to find you it for os2006 |
| 07:49.17 | DHR | I actually have an n800 too, but I don't want to use this application. (The user will be someone else, so I want them to use my spare 770.) |
| 07:50.49 | DHR | BTW, thanks zakkm, rmt, Stskeeps, for the help! |
| 07:51.37 | zakkm | your better off installing 2007he/ 2008he |
| 07:51.37 | zakkm | if its just for that app, the ram wont go over |
| 07:53.34 | DHR | ahh. armel is a revised ABI that makes floating point faster, and a few other changes. http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 07:55.27 | DHR | one reason to stay with 2006 is that I (long ago) set up all the things that I wanted, like xterm, ssh, etc. And then forgot what I did. So I'd have to re-invent that. Silly, I know. |
| 07:57.04 | DHR | It seems to me that GPE has several database applications, all with fixed schema. Is there no little tool for creating ad hoc single-table databases? |
| 07:57.50 | RST38h | You really can no longer stay with 2006 if you want the latest apps |
| 07:57.56 | luke-jr | DHR: sqlite! |
| 07:58.17 | zakkm | theres mysql in os2006.. |
| 07:58.20 | DHR | I assumed that that was just a library. |
| 07:58.50 | rmt | DHR, sqlite is just a library .. reads/writes a local DB file |
| 07:59.02 | DHR | i.e. I'd have to write some kind of real program (GUI and all) to use it. |
| 07:59.03 | luke-jr | no, sqlite has a CLI app too |
| 07:59.12 | luke-jr | real programs are CLI |
| 07:59.22 | rmt | Sure, a CLI app using the library. ;) |
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| 07:59.44 | rmt | DHR, What do you want to do? |
| 08:00.07 | DHR | I'm all for CLI (I've been using UNIX since 1975), but the tablet makes that a touch unnatural/awkward. |
| 08:00.28 | luke-jr | DHR: not at all |
| 08:00.34 | zakkm | 1975? |
| 08:00.36 | luke-jr | I've been CLI-only on my tablet for abotu a month now |
| 08:00.46 | zakkm | unix was around in 1975? |
| 08:00.47 | DHR | The application is cataloguing the outrageous number of books we have. |
| 08:00.53 | zakkm | you had a compute rin 1975!? |
| 08:00.53 | qwerty12 | luke-jr: you've got a keyboard ;) |
| 08:01.00 | luke-jr | qwerty12: doesn't everyone? ☺ |
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| 08:01.35 | DHR | I have a bluetooth keyboard. A little awkward, but it works. |
| 08:01.38 | qwerty12 | luke-jr: if you're on a N800, it's a fun to use cli applications all the time w/out one :) |
| 08:01.48 | luke-jr | DHR: hack it on as a clamshell-style attachment |
| 08:02.18 | luke-jr | seriously, do it XD |
| 08:02.31 | DHR | Unix first got to this country (Canada) in 1974. But I didn't use it seriously until January 1975. |
| 08:02.38 | ShadowJK | my bluetooth keyboard is somewhat bigger than my N800 :) |
| 08:02.40 | DHR | what's XD? |
| 08:02.48 | luke-jr | DHR: fail |
| 08:03.13 | ShadowJK | DHR, X is what his eyes look like after he snarfed a line of pure caffeine up his nose, D is the grin on his face |
| 08:03.21 | luke-jr | lol |
| 08:03.35 | zakkm | im in canada :) |
| 08:03.37 | qwerty12 | ShadowJK: this from experience? :) |
| 08:03.37 | zakkm | (toronto) |
| 08:03.47 | zakkm | was born in '91 ! :D |
| 08:03.50 | DHR | Toronto is here too. |
| 08:03.54 | ShadowJK | qwerty12, indeed. On the fifth day I saw flying elephants |
| 08:03.59 | zakkm | your in toronto? |
| 08:03.59 | qwerty12 | hehe |
| 08:04.02 | luke-jr | what's with all the kids here anyhow? |
| 08:04.08 | zakkm | lol |
| 08:04.16 | qwerty12 | zakkm: '92! |
| 08:04.17 | RST38h | Shadow: Were they wearing gas masks? |
| 08:04.17 | DHR | I'm only 40 years older (hence my lack of memory) |
| 08:04.19 | zakkm | DHR: your in toronto? |
| 08:04.21 | luke-jr | qwerty12: wtf! |
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| 08:04.34 | luke-jr | DHR: we have at least one 16yo |
| 08:04.36 | zakkm | qwerty12: lies :P |
| 08:04.37 | luke-jr | b-man IIRC |
| 08:04.42 | zakkm | yeah |
| 08:04.53 | zakkm | have someone younger than that i think |
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| 08:04.56 | luke-jr | xnt? |
| 08:05.00 | luke-jr | I forget how old xnt is |
| 08:05.05 | qwerty12 | 14 |
| 08:05.17 | luke-jr | 14 year olds shouldn't have handhelds -.- |
| 08:05.21 | zakkm | hah |
| 08:05.44 | zakkm | wanted a 770 when he was 15, but couldnt afford it :( |
| 08:05.46 | DHR | I started using computers at about 14. They filled rooms then. |
| 08:06.02 | luke-jr | zakkm: 770 was just too pathetic for me to consider |
| 08:06.15 | luke-jr | but that was before I gave up on my Zaurus |
| 08:06.17 | zakkm | DHR: your in toronto? |
| 08:06.40 | luke-jr | zakkm: you're* |
| 08:06.50 | zakkm | lol |
| 08:06.52 | zakkm | yes that :D |
| 08:06.53 | DHR | zakkm: yes, Toronto. Former North York. And your area? |
| 08:07.01 | zakkm | don miles and steeles :P |
| 08:07.25 | DHR | I'm at Yonge and York Mills. |
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| 08:07.27 | zakkm | what the, theres a new abiword ? |
| 08:07.40 | luke-jr | there's an old abiword too |
| 08:07.45 | luke-jr | imagine that |
| 08:07.49 | zakkm | 2.7.3 ? |
| 08:08.05 | zakkm | -.- qole repo wont refresh |
| 08:08.14 | luke-jr | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.21 | zakkm | 2.73 is out |
| 08:08.28 | luke-jr | oh |
| 08:08.36 | luke-jr | I don't even have it installed. |
| 08:08.41 | RST38h | qwerty: http://artishq.wordpress.com/2009/02/ ;) |
| 08:08.50 | DHR | zakkm: do you ever go to, say, TLUG meetings? |
| 08:09.05 | zakkm | not at all, would like to start though |
| 08:09.16 | zakkm | would you be able to help? |
| 08:09.26 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Hmm? Mikkov has already ported Fish Fillets |
| 08:09.34 | zakkm | i was told to checkout the linux cafe downtown-ish but never did :P |
| 08:09.46 | DHR | you just go. Next one is tomorrow (Tuesday), I think. |
| 08:09.53 | zakkm | dang really? |
| 08:09.57 | zakkm | where? are you attending? |
| 08:10.01 | zakkm | ill show you gnumeric for real :P |
| 08:10.02 | zakkm | hah |
| 08:10.22 | DHR | http://tlug.ss.org/wiki/Meetings:2009-06 |
| 08:10.37 | zakkm | are you attending? |
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| 08:10.45 | zakkm | st george is far? |
| 08:10.53 | DHR | I usually go. Including the dinner ahead of time. But I can't tell for sure. |
| 08:11.04 | zakkm | Beginning GIMP <-- does that mean they teach you? |
| 08:11.07 | zakkm | like how to use it? |
| 08:11.27 | DHR | That's the idea. Whether it works out depends on the speaker and the audience. |
| 08:11.36 | zakkm | that'd be sick :P |
| 08:11.39 | zakkm | can just go? |
| 08:11.56 | zakkm | 7;30 is late to be down there |
| 08:11.57 | DHR | certainly. I've been just going for perhaps 15 years. |
| 08:12.05 | zakkm | would you go, if i were to go? |
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| 08:12.22 | luke-jr | I wouldn't. |
| 08:12.29 | luke-jr | don't want to breathe the same air as zakkm! |
| 08:12.33 | DHR | I can't tell: I've got to negotiate with my family. |
| 08:12.34 | zakkm | gosh man! :P |
| 08:12.41 | zakkm | so cruel luke-jr |
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| 08:12.46 | luke-jr | zakkm: sarcasm :þ |
| 08:12.57 | DHR | zakkm is unlikely to be more than a standard deviation odder than the other TLUG memebers :-) |
| 08:12.58 | zakkm | nah i hate going to random like computer stuff places/events and not know anybody at all |
| 08:13.04 | zakkm | yeah sure we just met but yeah |
| 08:13.22 | luke-jr | zakkm: come to the next OLUG meeting! |
| 08:13.24 | DHR | TLUG alway welcomes new folks. |
| 08:13.28 | zakkm | OLUG? |
| 08:13.32 | luke-jr | OLUG > TLUG |
| 08:13.36 | zakkm | wheres that |
| 08:13.36 | luke-jr | Omaha LUG |
| 08:13.38 | luke-jr | :D |
| 08:13.39 | luke-jr | Omaha, NE |
| 08:13.43 | zakkm | omg |
| 08:13.53 | luke-jr | we're in the middle of finding a building for our new datacenter |
| 08:13.57 | zakkm | :) |
| 08:14.13 | luke-jr | cmon, how many LUGs operate a datacenter? ;) |
| 08:14.13 | zakkm | DHR: what ttc station is that? |
| 08:14.18 | DHR | zakkm: what's wrong with 19:30 on U of T campus? |
| 08:14.26 | zakkm | st .george station? |
| 08:14.42 | zakkm | DHR: for one my age, two.. the area |
| 08:14.59 | zakkm | wait there is no st.george station.. thats st.andrews |
| 08:15.06 | zakkm | DHR: what subway station is it |
| 08:15.14 | zakkm | ohh theres st george |
| 08:15.19 | DHR | There is a St. George station, but Queen's Park is closer |
| 08:15.24 | zakkm | really |
| 08:15.25 | zakkm | kk |
| 08:15.30 | zakkm | that will take me like 45min-ish |
| 08:15.45 | luke-jr | x.x |
| 08:15.54 | zakkm | well bus + subway ;p |
| 08:16.06 | zakkm | DHR: you think they would let me sit and watch? :D |
| 08:16.24 | DHR | Toronto isn't really dangerous (in my opinion). Certainly not the U of T campus. |
| 08:16.40 | zakkm | yeah but coming home at night, ahh itd be okay i think i hope lol |
| 08:16.43 | Macer | in memory of david... i am watching kung fu the legend continues |
| 08:16.45 | DHR | everyone is welcome at TLUG meetings. |
| 08:16.47 | zakkm | that does sound good |
| 08:16.49 | Macer | lol |
| 08:16.52 | zakkm | i been meaning to join some linux group |
| 08:17.03 | Macer | zakkm: don't do it! |
| 08:17.07 | zakkm | lol why |
| 08:17.17 | zakkm | i want to learn gimp :( |
| 08:17.19 | Macer | it will be the end of you |
| 08:17.21 | Macer | heh |
| 08:17.23 | zakkm | We'll cover basic photo editing, including opening, cropping, resizing, and colour and contrast corrections. If there's time and interest we can take a short look at creating original images. |
| 08:17.33 | zakkm | i want to learn :( i suck at gimp |
| 08:17.36 | zakkm | and photoshop |
| 08:17.43 | zakkm | i can do blender quite well oddly -.- |
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| 08:18.26 | zakkm | DHR: that sounds fun :D |
| 08:18.28 | DHR | It is possible to join TLUG (actually called GTALUG), but I never have. And I've been going for a long time. |
| 08:18.41 | zakkm | what happens if you join |
| 08:18.56 | zakkm | ive never been to anything really tech related.. even school ive avoided computer clubs |
| 08:19.07 | qwerty12 | They take your organs and donate them to Linux kernel devs so that they can sell them for $. |
| 08:19.09 | zakkm | i gone to one microsoft technet event |
| 08:19.22 | zakkm | but thats all |
| 08:19.22 | DHR | Dinner ahead is fun too. Cost is about $10 including tip. Pho is inexpensive. |
| 08:19.22 | zakkm | :( |
| 08:19.22 | zakkm | really? |
| 08:19.22 | zakkm | id pay $10 :D |
| 08:19.34 | zakkm | is it like pre paid ? |
| 08:19.35 | DHR | If you join, you get to vote for the executive. |
| 08:19.37 | thux | irritated cause symbian named pictures had to be renamed by maemo |
| 08:19.47 | lbt | yell if you need Gimp help... I use it a lot :) |
| 08:19.50 | Macer | you mean you go to like... meetings? |
| 08:19.50 | zakkm | that would be weird though cause i wouldnt know them at all, i think first time meeting / presentation would be best |
| 08:20.01 | zakkm | lbt: yeahh but this is like in person / presentation :P |
| 08:20.08 | DHR | everyone at the restaurant pays for what they eat, but the bills are per table, so arithmetic ensues. |
| 08:20.27 | lbt | sure... just FYI :) |
| 08:20.35 | zakkm | DHR: yaeh but it would be weird for me to sit with ppl i dont know :( |
| 08:20.43 | zakkm | it would be nice to hear the chatting though i think |
| 08:21.01 | zakkm | but it would be weird, cause i wouldnt know anyone at all at first, just be like hi :) im zak saw it online lol |
| 08:21.09 | Stskeeps | zakkm: meh, thats why booze was invented |
| 08:21.22 | zakkm | Stskeeps: im underage by about 9months? |
| 08:21.25 | zakkm | the legal age is 19 here |
| 08:21.26 | DHR | I do it all the time. Like when I go to conferences. Usually, it's fine. |
| 08:21.26 | Stskeeps | and casual smoking |
| 08:21.41 | zakkm | DHR: i think it would be fine for meeting/presentation.. not so much a dinner |
| 08:21.45 | Stskeeps | and its easier to get along with similar peers |
| 08:22.05 | DHR | The bar after the meeting is out for you then. After the meeting, most go the the Grad Student's bar. |
| 08:22.10 | zakkm | complete strangers though? that are considerably older than me |
| 08:22.11 | Macer | Stskeeps: there's always heroin |
| 08:22.17 | zakkm | yeah ive read that |
| 08:22.36 | zakkm | could get drunk then go.. but that wont make a good first impression |
| 08:22.38 | Macer | zakkm: sounds like nambla |
| 08:22.48 | zakkm | Stskeeps: i could promote mer there tomorrow eh? :D |
| 08:22.51 | DHR | If you listen and laugh at peoples jokes, they'll love you. |
| 08:23.16 | zakkm | DHR: shy 18 year old |
| 08:23.43 | Macer | fear is the mind killer.. ok. back to kung fu |
| 08:24.05 | zakkm | DHR: you own a n810? |
| 08:24.07 | DHR | There's no test to be there. No qualifications. No fees. |
| 08:24.21 | zakkm | gosh i want to use a n810, ive never seen one in person |
| 08:24.24 | DHR | zakkm: no, n800. |
| 08:24.43 | DHR | zakkm: what do you have? |
| 08:24.43 | zakkm | DHR: if you go, ill show you mer and nice n800 "cracking" ? :D |
| 08:24.43 | RST38h | does not quite understand what problem zakkm is having with strangers |
| 08:24.57 | zakkm | RST38h: its not strangers, im just generally shy |
| 08:25.01 | zakkm | even around friends/ppl i know |
| 08:25.24 | Stskeeps | zakkm: so was i once |
| 08:25.31 | zakkm | thanks for the encouragement :) |
| 08:25.32 | RST38h | zakkm: they ain't gonna eat you, so just go and observe |
| 08:25.38 | zakkm | i am i am :p |
| 08:25.42 | DHR | well, it's up to you. I'm just saying that you'd be welcom. |
| 08:25.44 | zakkm | but i think the dinner part at start would be weird |
| 08:25.49 | Stskeeps | unless you go to cannibal lug |
| 08:25.50 | zakkm | though for $10.. i would eat dinner lol |
| 08:26.09 | RST38h | you suspect them to serve penguin meat? =) |
| 08:26.14 | zakkm | DHR: you should go that way i could find you and you could help hah :) |
| 08:26.43 | zakkm | noo it would just be weird, like everyone eating and knowing eachother and stuff and me just going and sitting down hi im zakk :P |
| 08:27.08 | DHR | http://www.toronto.com/restaurants/listing/213097 is a brief description of the restaurant (there may well be better ones -- this is the first google found) |
| 08:27.15 | Macer | the show the universe seems always bent on showing moments where whatever they are talking about will end the earth |
| 08:27.16 | zakkm | ahh i love toronto.com |
| 08:27.29 | zakkm | Dinner Price Range: $50 - $75 ??? |
| 08:27.39 | DHR | that's just stupid. |
| 08:27.40 | zakkm | Best deals: beef noodle soups ($4.25-$5), or vermicelli dishes with grilled meat and spring rolls ($5). For a special treat, sample the filtered coffee with condensed milk on ice ($2.50) |
| 08:27.44 | zakkm | :O |
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| 08:28.07 | zakkm | ah maybe i should go |
| 08:28.16 | DHR | I eat pho with rare beef and it is perhaps $7, plus tax and tip, so under $10. |
| 08:28.21 | zakkm | DHR: do they have like a table or something there, like they reserve a huge table? |
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| 08:28.31 | RST38h | Macer: just read scp, faster, no ads, less banality =) |
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| 08:29.40 | zakkm | anyone know why qole repo wont refresh? |
| 08:29.58 | zakkm | insanity |
| 08:29.59 | DHR | well, there's the slightly tricky part. The people just meet up and fill tables that get jammed together. Normally in the south west corner. So you look for a largish group and ask if they are TLUGgers. I've never noticed other large groups. |
| 08:30.24 | zakkm | hah awesome |
| 08:30.49 | zakkm | think i should go for that then? |
| 08:31.14 | zakkm | not exactly rich but for $10+$3 (bus fair there and back ) its worth going i think |
| 08:31.38 | DHR | http://www.restaurantica.com/on/toronto/pho-hung-restaurant-bloor/23018675/ |
| 08:31.41 | zakkm | ohh qole changed his repository |
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| 08:32.05 | zakkm | i meant socially/ meeting them |
| 08:32.13 | zakkm | wait would i be the youngest? |
| 08:32.20 | DHR | zakkm: if you aren't willing to eat Vietnamese food, that would be a problem. Do you know Vietnamese food? |
| 08:32.23 | zakkm | how many people is there |
| 08:32.31 | zakkm | not at all, worth trying though ;p i do like strange food |
| 08:32.35 | zakkm | i lovee asian food :P |
| 08:32.38 | zakkm | and it seems very close ;p |
| 08:32.53 | zakkm | wooh time to update Tearrr :) |
| 08:33.01 | zakkm | and libwebkit |
| 08:33.06 | DHR | The youngest is usually a high school student in about grade 12. But most are older. |
| 08:33.20 | zakkm | im in grade 12 :P |
| 08:33.26 | zakkm | 18 / gr12 |
| 08:33.31 | zakkm | well for another 3 weeks - ish ;p |
| 08:33.37 | RST38h | heh |
| 08:33.46 | zakkm | school is ending ;p |
| 08:34.06 | zakkm | awesome :D |
| 08:34.17 | aquatix | zakkm: there's a Tear update? |
| 08:34.23 | zakkm | yeahh cookie fix and all |
| 08:34.27 | zakkm | apparently huge ass speed boost |
| 08:34.27 | aquatix | cool |
| 08:34.30 | zakkm | im late getting it mind you |
| 08:34.35 | aquatix | oh |
| 08:34.42 | zakkm | johnx said its really big performance boost |
| 08:35.03 | zakkm | maybe a week or two old? |
| 08:35.06 | zakkm | 0.3.1-2 ? |
| 08:35.07 | aquatix | 0.3.1? |
| 08:35.14 | aquatix | yeah |
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| 08:35.18 | aquatix | have had it for a while :) |
| 08:35.20 | zakkm | -2 though ;p |
| 08:35.21 | aquatix | it's damn nice |
| 08:35.27 | zakkm | not just 0.3.1 |
| 08:35.34 | aquatix | hm, dpkg -l says just 0.3.1 :/ |
| 08:36.04 | zakkm | whats webkit version? |
| 08:36.46 | aquatix | that's from qole.org/repository right? |
| 08:36.50 | zakkm | yeah |
| 08:36.56 | zakkm | yeah okay im behind |
| 08:36.57 | RST38h | shit, left tablet at home |
| 08:37.04 | zakkm | i didnt realized he changed from qole.maemobox.org to qole.org |
| 08:37.12 | aquatix | libwebkit-1.0-1 1.0-svn41137-9 |
| 08:37.14 | zakkm | so it never refreshed, of course.. so i didnt get it |
| 08:37.19 | aquatix | heh, yeah |
| 08:37.23 | DHR | Another interesting Toronto thing, today: http://utoronto.list-manage.com/track/click?u=84ca0530f83039c4e0176d6a0&id=c7a136cb91&e=a0a996895b but that is in a bar. |
| 08:37.24 | RST38h | So, IS there new Tear update or ISN'T? |
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| 08:37.25 | zakkm | just installed ;p |
| 08:37.27 | aquatix | zakkm: took me a week too |
| 08:37.35 | aquatix | RST38h: not really |
| 08:37.39 | RST38h | ih ok |
| 08:37.52 | zakkm | DHR: that costs money.. |
| 08:38.02 | aquatix | it was basically the same as on qole.maemobox.org i think, maybe a rebuild |
| 08:38.05 | zakkm | i dont have money :D |
| 08:38.14 | zakkm | he just changed hosts i think |
| 08:38.22 | aquatix | zakkm: you linux hippie! oh wait |
| 08:38.26 | zakkm | maemobox shut down |
| 08:38.30 | zakkm | so i guess he moved it to his domain |
| 08:38.34 | aquatix | yep |
| 08:38.35 | zakkm | hippie, im the youngest here |
| 08:38.37 | zakkm | :D |
| 08:38.40 | aquatix | ghehe |
| 08:38.42 | aquatix | so? ;) |
| 08:39.10 | zakkm | i lack linux skills out of all of everyone here |
| 08:39.12 | DHR | I hadn't seen that it cost money. Darn. |
| 08:39.21 | zakkm | heh |
| 08:39.40 | zakkm | okay so im taking my n800 :) of course |
| 08:39.45 | RST38h | I think there has been someone younger than 18 here |
| 08:39.46 | DHR | but they are streaming it. |
| 08:39.47 | zakkm | cant read with liqbase |
| 08:39.49 | zakkm | damn OCD :P |
| 08:39.55 | zakkm | RST38h: not currently? |
| 08:40.03 | zakkm | streaming it? |
| 08:40.09 | RST38h | well not at this precise moment maybe, but in general |
| 08:40.21 | zakkm | oh yeah of course |
| 08:40.38 | DHR | "available through live video streaming to a national audience on: theREALnews.com, rabble.ca, TheTyee, Beyond Robson, p2pnet, StraightGoods, Michael Geist, SaveOurNet.ca" |
| 08:40.40 | zakkm | wow tear seems faster |
| 08:41.01 | aquatix | zakkm: what version did you have before? also 0.3.1? |
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| 08:41.16 | zakkm | yeah just the non cookie fix one |
| 08:41.25 | zakkm | and older webkit |
| 08:41.41 | zakkm | though i use webkit nightly on my mac+ safari 4.. and i dont see it getting any faster? ;p |
| 08:41.48 | DHR | zakkm: copyright (and other "intellectual property" law) is a battleground in Canada. We're likely going to get a version of the DMCA this year. Yuck. |
| 08:41.58 | zakkm | DMCA? |
| 08:42.21 | DHR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA |
| 08:42.39 | zakkm | ahhh |
| 08:42.48 | aquatix | zakkm: maybe improvements are too gradual to notice when using nightlies |
| 08:43.14 | RST38h | tried the latest MediaBox BTW. Even more confusing than before =( |
| 08:43.22 | DHR | goes to be |
| 08:43.26 | DHR | goes to bed |
| 08:43.30 | zakkm | RST38h: they did the update weird |
| 08:43.36 | zakkm | i had to uninstall then install, it wouldnt update |
| 08:43.57 | RST38h | Well it updated for me (probably fixed that deb) but the UI is both confusing and buggy |
| 08:44.03 | DHR | thanks for help, folks |
| 08:44.16 | aquatix | DHR: nn |
| 08:44.16 | zakkm | DHR: ill help you tomorrow if your going :D |
| 08:44.21 | zakkm | hah |
| 08:44.27 | RST38h | My guess is that pycage no longer understands his own UI, from the feel of it =) |
| 08:44.33 | zakkm | iill show you mer too |
| 08:44.41 | zakkm | mediabox is a strange ui |
| 08:45.04 | aquatix | likes the default mediaplayer and canola2 best |
| 08:45.38 | zakkm | uses mplayer + gpe audio player |
| 08:46.48 | zakkm | sweet TLUG or something |
| 08:46.51 | aquatix | yeah, mplayer for video here too |
| 08:47.38 | zakkm | aquatix: gmplayer or canola + mplayer ? |
| 08:47.46 | zakkm | ahh gmlauncher |
| 08:48.06 | aquatix | zakkm: just mplayer :) |
| 08:48.44 | aquatix | it shows a list of movies and plays the one i start |
| 08:48.50 | aquatix | that's all i need |
| 08:48.59 | aquatix | ah yes, gmlauncher |
| 08:49.08 | aquatix | gmplauncher even |
| 08:49.26 | zakkm | yeah theres so many names :( |
| 08:49.38 | RST38h | only uses mplayer for video now, the other players lag |
| 08:49.40 | aquatix | :) |
| 08:49.42 | zakkm | :D |
| 08:49.45 | aquatix | RST38h: yeah, same here |
| 08:50.04 | zakkm | has all Jake and Amir + CH original eps on his nokia |
| 08:50.08 | RST38h | If only mplayer guys made some marginally better UI... |
| 08:50.17 | zakkm | you press menu key :D |
| 08:50.22 | zakkm | while vid is playing |
| 08:50.41 | zakkm | mplayer is for a backend :P its not vlc :P |
| 08:50.48 | zakkm | gnome-mplayer is real nice :D |
| 08:51.03 | aquatix | yeah, i use gmplayer on my pc's quite a bit |
| 08:51.14 | aquatix | ah no, that's not gnome-mplayer |
| 08:51.24 | zakkm | gmplyaer = mplayer official |
| 08:51.27 | aquatix | i like gmplayer better |
| 08:51.29 | aquatix | yeah |
| 08:51.29 | zakkm | gnome-mplayer is something else |
| 08:51.29 | lcuk | zakkm, what cant u read with lb |
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| 08:51.46 | zakkm | http://linux.wellassa.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/gnome-mplayer.jpg |
| 08:51.57 | zakkm | very simple, like dragon player |
| 08:52.13 | zakkm | lcuk: i meant, i cant read anything without reading it in liqbase.. |
| 08:52.26 | zakkm | lcuk: i cant read textbooks anymore/novels... it doesnt comapre to liqbase reading |
| 08:52.29 | lcuk | heh ahh |
| 08:52.43 | zakkm | i have 7 textbooks out fro mthe public library, and i havent really opened it |
| 08:52.47 | aquatix | zakkm: hm, that kid looks kinda creepy |
| 08:52.52 | zakkm | been trying to find pdf versions so i can convert to txt |
| 08:53.00 | lcuk | well the book reader will be getting special consideration :) |
| 08:53.06 | zakkm | aquatix: its probably a horror movie.. |
| 08:53.10 | aquatix | yep |
| 08:53.20 | zakkm | lcuk: did you read above? |
| 08:53.29 | zakkm | ill show out liqbase at the TLUG or w.e tomorrow :) |
| 08:53.34 | zakkm | to some ppl |
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| 08:55.35 | zakkm | gosh the conversation died |
| 08:56.05 | aquatix | zakkm: hm, looks like the Golden Compass btw (that screenshot) |
| 08:56.19 | zakkm | oh it iss :P |
| 08:56.21 | zakkm | the subtitles |
| 08:56.28 | aquatix | yeah |
| 08:56.35 | zakkm | thats awesome |
| 08:56.57 | zakkm | ah i should think about sleep soon |
| 08:57.01 | zakkm | its 5 min to 5am :P |
| 08:58.06 | lcuk | oooh zakkm, no i didnt read, i had just slid past and noticed i was flashing |
| 08:58.12 | zakkm | hah |
| 08:58.33 | zakkm | lcuk: this guy, DHR, turns out he lives about 10-15min-ish from me, and he belongs to the toronto linux group |
| 08:58.43 | lcuk | well if you look carefully enough around the autobuilders (fremantle for now) you might find the 2 packages for liqbase ;) |
| 08:58.44 | zakkm | and told me the next meeting is tomorrow, so im going to go tomorrow :D |
| 08:59.05 | lcuk | they need compilingfrom source for diablo but i believe everything should work |
| 08:59.08 | zakkm | gimp presentation +food at resturant beeforehand |
| 08:59.12 | lcuk | tho i havent checked yet .. |
| 08:59.18 | aquatix | zakkm: interesting, gmplayer is faster than gnome-mplayer |
| 08:59.34 | zakkm | aquatix: gmplayer isnt even gtk is it? |
| 08:59.36 | aquatix | gnome-mplayer lags on this older laptop |
| 08:59.39 | lcuk | you arent the youngest - qwerty and bman and a few others |
| 08:59.39 | aquatix | zakkm: half |
| 08:59.40 | zakkm | its qt i thought |
| 08:59.45 | aquatix | zakkm: it has gtk menus |
| 08:59.47 | lcuk | bbl |
| 09:00.00 | aquatix | zakkm: could be |
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| 09:00.20 | zakkm | aquatix: anyways, for tablet it would matter, i use hot spot desktops hah overclock too |
| 09:00.31 | zakkm | care more about UI/look than speed |
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| 09:01.00 | aquatix | yeah, same here |
| 09:01.06 | aquatix | but in this case it matters :) |
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| 09:01.16 | zakkm | yeah yeah |
| 09:01.22 | zakkm | well gmplauncher for tablet is best |
| 09:01.22 | aquatix | as gmplayer plays this 720p movie fine on this machine, while gnome-mplayer stutters |
| 09:01.32 | zakkm | you can do menu and mess with stuff there |
| 09:01.36 | zakkm | on tablet |
| 09:01.44 | zakkm | ahh |
| 09:01.53 | zakkm | well even better, mplayer doesnt require X |
| 09:01.58 | zakkm | so kill X.. and run mplayer :D |
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| 09:02.03 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:02.20 | zakkm | i dunno how it works without X, but apparently it does |
| 09:02.24 | zakkm | and that would make it even smoother |
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| 09:07.08 | aquatix | zakkm: framebuffer stuff |
| 09:08.01 | zakkm | ahh |
| 09:08.46 | zakkm | sounds awesome |
| 09:08.57 | zakkm | i really should get sleep if im going to attend TLUG :P |
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| 09:09.33 | aquatix | zakkm: nn :) |
| 09:10.36 | zakkm | going to email the guy first |
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| 09:12.20 | zakkm | awesome :) |
| 09:12.32 | zakkm | never been to a linux thingy before |
| 09:12.47 | zakkm | probably get myself in fights |
| 09:12.55 | aquatix | well, i have to admit i've never been to a LUG myself |
| 09:13.07 | aquatix | i *have* been to several UUG's |
| 09:13.10 | zakkm | KDE IS BETTER... NO RATPOISON IS.... :D |
| 09:13.13 | aquatix | haha |
| 09:13.22 | zakkm | kde is bloated... SOOO :p |
| 09:13.28 | aquatix | `whatever works for you dude. here, have a soda' |
| 09:13.30 | zakkm | whats a uug? |
| 09:13.35 | aquatix | unix user group :) |
| 09:13.40 | zakkm | oh |
| 09:13.45 | zakkm | whats the difference? |
| 09:13.54 | aquatix | unix != linux :) |
| 09:13.57 | zakkm | i mean unix and linux sort of are, but the groups themselves? |
| 09:14.07 | zakkm | its still tech ppl doing stuff.. coders and all |
| 09:14.13 | aquatix | well, this group is older than linux |
| 09:14.16 | zakkm | just talking about different stuff a bit |
| 09:14.19 | aquatix | it's more broad |
| 09:14.20 | zakkm | yeah that too |
| 09:14.26 | zakkm | it cant differ that much |
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| 09:14.36 | aquatix | it includes all things unix, like solaris, linux, *bsd and such |
| 09:14.51 | aquatix | or just the infrastructure, like C, tcp/ip stacks |
| 09:14.55 | zakkm | yeah but its still a group of ppl that meet every so often, maybe a presentation here and there |
| 09:15.00 | aquatix | yep |
| 09:15.09 | aquatix | just a slightly different point of view |
| 09:15.14 | aquatix | not that it matters much |
| 09:15.53 | zakkm | going to be nice i think.. gimp learning :D |
| 09:15.58 | aquatix | :) |
| 09:16.05 | zakkm | want to go for the food though too |
| 09:16.12 | aquatix | has been thinking about setting up a LUG himself a while ago |
| 09:16.20 | zakkm | i dont get this :P |
| 09:16.24 | zakkm | We'll cover basic photo editing, including opening |
| 09:16.30 | X-Fade | Heh, so GeneralAntilles did some debunking at Engadged ;) |
| 09:16.30 | zakkm | opening... file - open? |
| 09:16.36 | aquatix | haha |
| 09:16.44 | aquatix | X-Fade: ah? |
| 09:16.47 | zakkm | the rest makes sense.. cropping, resizsing and all |
| 09:16.52 | zakkm | but including opening.. |
| 09:16.56 | aquatix | zakkm: i hope it's more advanced than that ;) |
| 09:17.09 | zakkm | its cool though cause when i wake up, the wwdc news will be on the net :p |
| 09:17.24 | zakkm | it si, its just the start of the sentence |
| 09:17.28 | zakkm | just reading it i find it funny |
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| 09:18.01 | zakkm | ah it starts in like 13 hours |
| 09:18.21 | zakkm | and i want to show mer to some people :) and DHR if hes going |
| 09:18.25 | zakkm | OS2006 -.- |
| 09:18.33 | zakkm | thats so bad |
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| 09:19.42 | aquatix | what's with OS2006? |
| 09:19.57 | zakkm | its old and ugly :) |
| 09:20.03 | zakkm | os2007 is awesome thoguh |
| 09:20.07 | zakkm | better than diablo |
| 09:20.21 | aquatix | hm, i like os2008/diablo better |
| 09:20.24 | aquatix | except for microb |
| 09:20.29 | aquatix | but i have tear now anyway |
| 09:20.33 | zakkm | :D |
| 09:20.35 | zakkm | tear is awesome |
| 09:20.45 | aquatix | and have been using claws-mail for ages |
| 09:20.51 | zakkm | is that good |
| 09:20.55 | zakkm | i use the builtin one |
| 09:21.05 | aquatix | modest chokes on my imap account :) |
| 09:21.14 | aquatix | takes almost a minute to load |
| 09:21.31 | zakkm | heh |
| 09:21.33 | aquatix | and i have issues with it not always marking mail as read on the server |
| 09:21.47 | aquatix | it seems to cache those writes till the session ends |
| 09:21.47 | zakkm | ahh i should get apple mail to do that |
| 09:21.58 | aquatix | but that's mostly when i disconnect wifi, and then it's too late |
| 09:22.10 | zakkm | hehh |
| 09:22.27 | aquatix | so now i have claws-mail on workstation, laptops and tablet |
| 09:22.34 | aquatix | suits me fine :) |
| 09:22.57 | zakkm | faster than modest? |
| 09:23.04 | aquatix | it is for me |
| 09:23.18 | aquatix | modest is slightly more finger friendly though |
| 09:23.18 | zakkm | heh maybe i should try it out then |
| 09:23.26 | zakkm | dont email that much mind you |
| 09:23.26 | aquatix | yeah, trying out is the best way |
| 09:23.37 | aquatix | lives on email, basically |
| 09:23.48 | zakkm | well i mean i do, but not from tablet ;p |
| 09:23.49 | aquatix | not that i send much from my tablet |
| 09:23.52 | zakkm | like it can wiat till i get on pc |
| 09:24.02 | aquatix | i like reading mailing lists on it |
| 09:24.04 | zakkm | i use my cellphone for txt msging alot too |
| 09:24.11 | zakkm | i got unlimited worldwide messaging |
| 09:24.22 | aquatix | myeah, i send like 12 sms message a year |
| 09:24.34 | zakkm | yeah but i got it UNLIMITED and worldwide :D |
| 09:24.36 | zakkm | and im a teen :D |
| 09:24.41 | aquatix | heheh, yeah :) |
| 09:24.51 | zakkm | in highschool, text msging is important |
| 09:24.53 | aquatix | but even as a teenager i didn't text that often |
| 09:24.55 | zakkm | i send like 500-ish a month |
| 09:24.58 | aquatix | but that's been a while ;) |
| 09:25.08 | zakkm | also i text my online buddies sometimes |
| 09:25.34 | zakkm | wow |
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| 09:25.39 | zakkm | how old are you? |
| 09:25.39 | aquatix | i generally text when it's important and i'm on the road or something, or that person is on the road |
| 09:25.44 | aquatix | that's rude ;) |
| 09:25.45 | aquatix | nah |
| 09:25.48 | aquatix | is 27 |
| 09:25.52 | lcuk | txting your mate next to you asking if you can borrow a pen is a really wise use of your texting allowance :p |
| 09:25.54 | zakkm | thats rude? you gotta be old then :P |
| 09:25.55 | lcuk | kids today ;) |
| 09:26.02 | aquatix | zakkm: :P |
| 09:26.10 | aquatix | lcuk: ghehehe |
| 09:26.13 | zakkm | lcuk: hah one time when i first got it, my friend and i were sitting side by side outside his house at night |
| 09:26.18 | zakkm | and we were txting back and forth |
| 09:26.24 | zakkm | he had iphone though :( |
| 09:26.28 | zakkm | so he could do it quicker |
| 09:26.30 | lcuk | poor him |
| 09:26.32 | aquatix | lcuk: otoh, i've IM'ed my girlfriend on the other couch in the living room to ask her something |
| 09:26.34 | zakkm | got a crappy old phone |
| 09:26.40 | lcuk | you younguns always finish early |
| 09:26.51 | zakkm | ? |
| 09:26.53 | aquatix | i have a physical qwerty kb on my phone |
| 09:26.54 | zakkm | finish what early? |
| 09:27.06 | lcuk | everything its rush rush rush |
| 09:27.12 | zakkm | lol |
| 09:27.18 | zakkm | its 5;27am and i havent gone to bed yet |
| 09:27.18 | lcuk | aquatix i used to sit with gf in same room |
| 09:27.24 | aquatix | lcuk: rush rush, than relax doing fun stuff ;) |
| 09:27.28 | lcuk | lol |
| 09:27.31 | lcuk | goes again |
| 09:27.36 | aquatix | lcuk: ciao :) |
| 09:27.37 | zakkm | lcuk: :( |
| 09:28.04 | zakkm | aquatix: is it just me or do you not chat here often? i hardly see you |
| 09:28.15 | aquatix | idly wonders why opera 10 beta doesn't want to use proper hinting (it's compiled with qt3) |
| 09:28.20 | aquatix | zakkm: depends |
| 09:28.25 | aquatix | i'm quite busy |
| 09:28.26 | zakkm | eww theres a qt4 port isnt there? |
| 09:28.31 | zakkm | not port, like official |
| 09:28.35 | aquatix | well, not atm |
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| 09:28.43 | aquatix | the beta only comes in qt3 |
| 09:29.02 | aquatix | not that qt4 helps that much, i'm using a gtk based DE |
| 09:29.04 | zakkm | yeah theres qt4 opera :P |
| 09:29.21 | aquatix | well, i've researched yesterday, and the last qt4 opera was the alpha from december |
| 09:29.23 | zakkm | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/11187098/com/opera-qt4-10.00-6.1.i586.rpm.html |
| 09:29.28 | zakkm | oh |
| 09:29.37 | zakkm | i use safari 4 :D |
| 09:29.56 | aquatix | generally i use midori or firefox 3.x |
| 09:29.57 | zakkm | wow |
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| 09:30.01 | zakkm | opera beta 10 looks amazing |
| 09:30.16 | aquatix | yeah, that link of yours is the alpha from december |
| 09:30.16 | zakkm | cant stand linux except on tablet |
| 09:30.23 | aquatix | yep, the new skin is awesome |
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| 09:30.35 | aquatix | hey wazd |
| 09:30.56 | aquatix | rather likes linux on desktop and server |
| 09:30.57 | wazd | aquatix: heya |
| 09:31.00 | wazd | hello everybody |
| 09:31.10 | zakkm | hey wazd |
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| 09:35.41 | aquatix | X-Fade: ah, you where talking about http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/07/nokia-n900-revealed-in-nseries-presentation/ ? |
| 09:36.07 | zakkm | aquatix: that UI on it is sick hah |
| 09:36.17 | zakkm | it looks like a more graphical /higher-res maemo |
| 09:36.31 | zakkm | but same UI / size / place of things |
| 09:36.39 | zakkm | like different icons + animated |
| 09:37.07 | aquatix | hm, that movie is from the n97? |
| 09:37.25 | aquatix | plays |
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| 09:40.00 | wazd | tag&share, point&shoot, drink&eat :) |
| 09:41.28 | aquatix | heh, great movie btw |
| 09:41.36 | aquatix | a student project no less |
| 09:42.00 | zakkm | that looks nice though :D |
| 09:42.07 | zakkm | wazd: what? |
| 09:42.16 | Stskeeps | looks like a crap n900 though |
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| 09:42.19 | Stskeeps | doesnt like the design :P |
| 09:42.27 | zakkm | nooo onscreen design |
| 09:42.31 | zakkm | not the form factor |
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| 09:42.50 | wazd | zakkm: well, that movie is full of marketing slogans like "something&something" :) |
| 09:43.50 | zakkm | didnt watch movie.. just the picture |
| 09:43.57 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 09:44.52 | wazd | RST38h: hola |
| 09:45.01 | RST38h | bait&switch? =) |
| 09:45.20 | zakkm | RST38h: decided im going to go. |
| 09:45.50 | RST38h | zakkm: ok, if you do not come back here we will assume they ate you for that dinner |
| 09:46.17 | zakkm | hah its downtown, late at night |
| 09:46.27 | zakkm | more scared getting mugged than eaten |
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| 09:47.39 | aquatix | time for lunch |
| 09:47.50 | aquatix | zakkm: get some sleep ;) |
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| 09:48.24 | zakkm | its only almost 6am :P |
| 09:48.28 | zakkm | chatting with a schoolmate on msn |
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| 09:50.06 | VDVsx | the next maemo device will be the "Ultimate Nseries Devices" , wow :) |
| 09:50.31 | keesj | VDVsx: url? |
| 09:50.33 | VDVsx | "Another speaker confirmation for Maemo Summit 2009: Juha-Pekka Sipponen, Director, Nokia, Product Management - Ultimate Nseries Devices" |
| 09:50.49 | VDVsx | keesj, https://twitter.com/PeterMaemo |
| 09:51.02 | RST38h | Sipponen has been known to make wide off-the-wall statements |
| 09:51.17 | VDVsx | eehe |
| 09:51.31 | RST38h | Besides, it is not high level unless it has dpad (i.e. allows playing NGage games) |
| 09:51.35 | zakkm | hey is there any progress going for opengl support? |
| 09:51.43 | zakkm | i remember someone was going to ask at danishweekend i think |
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| 09:51.51 | zakkm | think it was opengl, or just 3d? |
| 09:52.39 | RST38h | None for OMAP2 (but check with lardman) |
| 09:52.41 | lbt | zakkm: opengl on n8x0 or new machine? |
| 09:52.48 | zakkm | n8x0 |
| 09:52.50 | lbt | Nokia are talking to TI |
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| 09:52.56 | zakkm | ahh okay :) |
| 09:52.59 | zakkm | still happening then |
| 09:53.01 | lbt | and there are positive signs |
| 09:53.06 | zakkm | awesome :) |
| 09:53.15 | lbt | there is a good chance of a driver.... but |
| 09:53.19 | zakkm | i cant afford n900 to be honest |
| 09:53.23 | lbt | that's not the same as a library |
| 09:53.24 | zakkm | or n810 for that matter |
| 09:53.51 | lbt | I think it may be an idea to contact some of the Xorg guys at some point |
| 09:54.09 | zakkm | for a driver? |
| 09:54.09 | VDVsx | starting to think that the next maemo device will only be released/shown at the summit :( |
| 09:54.17 | zakkm | well yeahh ;p |
| 09:55.13 | RST38h | wonders what will happen if the N900 will NOT have voice calling |
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| 09:55.18 | lbt | VDVsx: I can't see them releasing it after... but maybe before |
| 09:55.48 | lbt | zakkm: yes; there are some 'flakey' drivers that are not OSS (yet) |
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| 09:56.09 | lbt | anyhow, there is progress (I wish I'd made better notes) |
| 09:56.10 | zakkm | ah |
| 09:56.10 | ShadowJK | I imagine any existing drivers even if released would probably have some significant limitations :/ |
| 09:56.20 | zakkm | i wonder if some at tlug might have a idea? |
| 09:56.37 | RST38h | no. |
| 09:57.09 | qwerty12 | ShadowJK: Considering that the N8X0 can't even play video awesomely... :) |
| 09:57.59 | lbt | ShadowJK: yes; I doubt you'd get top-end 3D :) |
| 09:58.07 | ShadowJK | considering the single-context limitations in "N900" :) |
| 09:58.27 | RST38h | Well, this is something Nokia has to fix in their software |
| 09:58.30 | lbt | but I don't know the architecture enough to know where the hw bw constraints are |
| 09:58.34 | zakkm | qwerty12: ??? videos plays well :D |
| 09:58.39 | ShadowJK | RST38h, I thought it was TI limitation :) |
| 09:58.43 | RST38h | If I undertsand correctly, there is no "full screen mode" in Fremantle |
| 09:58.43 | zakkm | mplayer plays my "legit" 350mb xvid :D |
| 09:58.46 | RST38h | Shadow: no |
| 09:59.18 | lbt | RST38h: I think it's more that there's no 'indowed mode |
| 09:59.18 | qwerty12 | zakkm: after converting, and if you do get a 700MB XVID that does play, be prepared for some serious lag during some serious action scenes |
| 09:59.19 | RST38h | Shadow: The widely accepted way to do this (Linux, Windows) is to give programmers a full screen mode where they get complete control of the hardware |
| 09:59.25 | lbt | windowed |
| 09:59.43 | ShadowJK | eh |
| 09:59.47 | RST38h | Shadow: You can refer to Linux consoles (as used by SDL) and Windows DrectDraw/Direct3D APIs |
| 09:59.49 | zakkm | qwerty12: i do, but then again i dont watch action movies, only dramas, so theres not exactly intense frame changing |
| 09:59.49 | lbt | RST38h: did you see the mailing list thread? |
| 09:59.56 | ShadowJK | I never run anything fullscreen, 3D or not |
| 09:59.59 | RST38h | lbt: Yes, but I did not follow it to the end |
| 10:00.10 | ShadowJK | if an app on desktop refuses to run windowed, I uninstall it immediately |
| 10:00.19 | lbt | essentially they would like to hand over the fullscreen context |
| 10:00.21 | RST38h | Shadow: Well, here you have got hardware that just can't be shared |
| 10:00.26 | zakkm | ShadowJK: harsh.. thats leaving out liqbase.... |
| 10:00.27 | ShadowJK | anyway.. there's no 3D on linux console :-) |
| 10:00.36 | ShadowJK | zakkm, I did specify desktop :-) |
| 10:00.39 | RST38h | Shadow: So, the way around it is to have two clear points where its context is saved and restored |
| 10:00.48 | RST38h | Shadow: That is Enter/exit full screen mode |
| 10:01.16 | RST38h | lbt: So they basically decided to follow the route I have just described? |
| 10:01.34 | RST38h | Shadow: In fact, our current Diablo-running N8x0s have the same problem, to a lesser degree |
| 10:02.51 | RST38h | Shadow: Hardware scaler is not being shared properly so the only way to use it well is from full screen mode (and mail notifications still screw it) |
| 10:03.33 | lbt | RST38h: yeah.... kinda. |
| 10:05.27 | ShadowJK | the single hardware scale limitation exists on desktop too though.. |
| 10:05.31 | ShadowJK | unless you have high-end hardware |
| 10:05.46 | ShadowJK | or recent hardware, I guess |
| 10:06.23 | lbt | not so sure... |
| 10:06.33 | lbt | video scaling? |
| 10:07.03 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 10:07.17 | ShadowJK | and colourspace conversion |
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| 10:11.36 | lbt | sorry... took me a while : http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/xorgs_x_window_innovation_its_not_all_about_graphics |
| 10:11.58 | lbt | lots of chat including about how some of this is being 'emulated' now |
| 10:12.16 | lbt | so video is closer to rapidly updated textures on a 3D surface |
| 10:12.32 | lbt | and various comments on colour conversion too |
| 10:12.38 | lbt | just FYI and interesting :) |
| 10:13.28 | ShadowJK | Well that's feasible with current hardware, but hardware didn't use to be able to do fullscreen video through the 3D engine |
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| 10:14.26 | lbt | sure... depends on your definition of current :) I'm using 'old' ATI radeon R500 HW with fully OSS drivers |
| 10:15.30 | ShadowJK | well with sensible CPU use :) |
| 10:16.29 | ShadowJK | it does add much in terms of memory bandwidth requirements and blows CPU caches away :) |
| 10:16.55 | ShadowJK | but if your system is some gigahertz monster in the first place it probably doesn't matter anymore |
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| 10:34.04 | Stskeeps | jeremiah_torp: poke |
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| 10:38.43 | ssvb | RST38h: you can just use Xv to get access to the hardware scaler, it's properly shared this way |
| 10:41.25 | RST38h | ssvb: Ah...But not /dev/fb0? |
| 10:41.25 | RST38h | Because I can't use current Xv, it does not provide an RGB layer |
| 10:41.34 | ssvb | RST38h: it does provide rgb layer |
| 10:41.44 | ssvb | RST38h: try to run xvinfo |
| 10:41.48 | RST38h | ssvb: Not according to lcuk and change logs |
| 10:42.26 | ssvb | RST38h: lcuk just does not want to use rgb, because his engine is heavily yuv based |
| 10:42.45 | RST38h | ssvb: the way I understood it, he was forced to use yuv |
| 10:42.58 | Stskeeps | RST38h: new xomap has rgb |
| 10:42.59 | RST38h | Will catch him and interrogate |
| 10:43.00 | ssvb | RST38h: not really |
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| 10:43.09 | Stskeeps | would count ssvb an authority in this area personally |
| 10:43.09 | RST38h | Sts: What about the one in Diablo? |
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| 10:43.24 | RST38h | ssvb: Weird... |
| 10:44.13 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i think latest update had rgb565 or something |
| 10:44.19 | Stskeeps | (sp) |
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| 10:44.49 | RST38h | !!! |
| 10:45.03 | RST38h | So if I drop Chinook users I can theoretically use Xv??? |
| 10:45.09 | lbt | I thought lcuk used yuv because it offered a smaller colourspace and therefore gave higher framerates? |
| 10:45.52 | RST38h | lbt: same colorspace afaik |
| 10:46.11 | RST38h | actually, yuv is way harder to work with because components are stored in different buffers |
| 10:47.05 | lbt | I wasn't into the details. I just ST recall that a frame of data had ~ 2/3 the size in his implementation. Which is why it refreshes smoothly. |
| 10:49.19 | RST38h | I guess if one of yuv components is defined for two adjacent pixels then it would take 2/3 of the size |
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| 10:49.57 | ssvb | lbt: indeed, YUV uses 12 bits per pixel and requires less data to be transferred |
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| 10:50.44 | ssvb | lbt: but the device is capable of showing tearfree animation even with 800x480 rgb screen updates |
| 10:51.00 | lbt | ssvb the N800 ? |
| 10:51.08 | RST38h | does not see the blitter speed as the main problem on n8x0 |
| 10:51.18 | RST38h | Dunno why people are so obsessed with it |
| 10:51.53 | ssvb | lbt: yes, the only requirement is that the device must run at 400MHz to achieve this |
| 10:52.02 | lbt | I'm trying to get nice page sized scrolling in Qt |
| 10:52.09 | lbt | ah, ssvb.. OK |
| 10:52.26 | RST38h | ssvb: Have you just updated Mplayer? I have not seen it in the app manager updates yesterday |
| 10:52.31 | lbt | hmm |
| 10:52.48 | lbt | considers switching the CPU speed as scrolling starts... |
| 10:53.30 | ssvb | lbt: maybe a kernel patch can help to make graphics faster, a hook to DVFS to switch to OP0 when the screen update starts could help |
| 10:53.30 | lbt | shouldn't the governor handle that? |
| 10:54.19 | aquatix | Tear seems to use quite a bit of cpu while scrolling |
| 10:54.38 | ssvb | lbt: governor only cares about cpu load unfortunately, and if cpu load is low, it will switch to lower clock frequency |
| 10:54.46 | qwerty12 | ssvb: OP0 is the one that sets CPU to 400 while giving DSP a lower clock speed? |
| 10:55.10 | ssvb | qwerty12: yes |
| 10:55.19 | qwerty12 | Aha, thanks |
| 10:55.20 | lbt | I guess if it restores OP0 |
| 10:55.47 | lbt | I wonder what that'll do for power usage |
| 10:56.01 | lbt | does screen update happen when the screen isn't changed? |
| 10:56.15 | lbt | ie "refresh" ? |
| 10:56.33 | lbt | not sure if the HW is different in this respect |
| 10:57.01 | RST38h | lbt: In N8x0 screen updates should be done explicitely |
| 10:57.07 | lbt | nice |
| 10:57.09 | RST38h | lbt: Same in a lot of Nokia phones |
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| 10:57.36 | RST38h | lbt: basically your "screen buffer" is just an area of SDRAM. To make it seen on the screen, you use the blizzard blitter |
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| 10:58.14 | RST38h | In N900 you can expect a real screen buffer with DMA running 100% of the time |
| 10:58.41 | lbt | OK ta |
| 10:58.55 | jegp | where can I read about the N900? |
| 10:59.21 | lbt | jegp: maemo SDK |
| 10:59.44 | jegp | thanks |
| 10:59.49 | lbt | np |
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| 11:01.28 | ssvb | lbt: it may be tricky to get tearfree scrolling in Qt, omapfb screen update ioctl must explicitly have flag to wait for VSYNC |
| 11:02.12 | ssvb | lbt: it is used in Xv, or if you use omapfb ioctl calls directly, but not anywhere else |
| 11:02.22 | lbt | is this done in gtk? |
| 11:02.28 | ssvb | lbt: no |
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| 11:02.57 | lbt | would it be reasonable for the Qt painter to take a HILDON hook to do this? |
| 11:03.07 | lbt | or just wait for Vsync? |
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| 11:05.23 | lbt | FBIO_WAITFORSYNC |
| 11:05.45 | RST38h | lbt: Somebody knowledgeable mentioned that to be useless on Maemo |
| 11:06.03 | lbt | OK |
| 11:06.04 | ssvb | lbt: this all can be a bit tricky, waiting for VSYNC limits the number of screen updates (you can't have more screen updates than LCD refresh rate), and if you have a lot of small drawing operations done, it may be a problem |
| 11:06.35 | lbt | I *think* Qt allows consolidated refresh |
| 11:06.53 | lbt | but maybe not in the renderer used on Diablo |
| 11:06.58 | RST38h | lbt: the only question where :) |
| 11:07.46 | lbt | what is the lcd refresh rate BTW? |
| 11:07.56 | pupnik | nobody knows |
| 11:08.01 | ssvb | lbt: ~55Hz |
| 11:08.13 | lbt | OK |
| 11:08.47 | pupnik | new dosbox? |
| 11:09.20 | pupnik | no interest :) |
| 11:09.27 | lbt | heh... I'd better get back to Mer... we need our DVCS workflow sorted ... <sigh> |
| 11:09.43 | pupnik | bon travaille |
| 11:10.03 | pupnik | add /dev/dsp support |
| 11:10.14 | lbt | I made Qt do proper fingerscrolling + bounce a la Fremantle this morning... fiferboy's new approach seems good |
| 11:10.27 | pupnik | cool |
| 11:11.36 | lbt | video soon |
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| 11:11.54 | ssvb | lbt: about 'wait for VSYNC', it is not done explicity with a separate call (which does not work), but it's part of screen update |
| 11:12.34 | ssvb | lbt: whenever you do screen update ioctl, it is a nonblocking call and screen update starts asynchronously |
| 11:13.18 | ssvb | lbt: if you have TEARSYNC flag set, the real screen update will be postponed till the right moment, but your call is still nonblocking |
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| 11:13.44 | lbt | makes sense |
| 11:14.12 | lbt | I think Qt is able to 'flush' updates at a frequency |
| 11:14.33 | lbt | so the real updates are aggregated to an off screen buffer |
| 11:14.47 | lbt | which is how they do transparency etc in non-gl rendere |
| 11:14.50 | RST38h | ssvb: does wait for vsync work at all? |
| 11:15.04 | RST38h | (also I think the LCD update rate is 60Hz, it is kinda standard) |
| 11:15.30 | lbt | and we don't (currently) have the code to expose the vsync ioctly |
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| 11:16.53 | ssvb | lbt: if you manage to use Xv as a backend for Qt, it may work |
| 11:18.03 | lbt | TBH my Qt foo isn't that high :) |
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| 11:18.45 | ssvb | RST38h: screen update ioctl has two flags: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC. The former helps to avoid tearing, but it's better not to touch the latter |
| 11:19.47 | RST38h | ssvb: Aha, I see |
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| 11:20.31 | ssvb | RST38h: the point is that screen update can be either faster or slower than LCD refresh rate (depending on the width of the area to be updated), so in one case screen update needs to really start at VSYNC and in the other case it needs to start when LCD refresh reaches a certain line |
| 11:20.58 | ssvb | RST38h: OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_TEARSYNC has all this special logic |
| 11:21.33 | RST38h | ssvb: the tearsync option does not require any wait, does it? |
| 11:21.54 | RST38h | it simply synchronizes update start with the vblank? |
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| 11:22.25 | ssvb | RST38h: and OMAPFB_FORMAT_FLAG_FORCE_VSYNC just forces screen update on VBLANK, which is not always the right thing to do |
| 11:22.31 | Stskeeps | andre__: re 3286, we follow fremantle app manager. it might already be gone |
| 11:22.45 | andre__ | ah. ok. |
| 11:23.11 | ssvb | RST38h: yes, that's right |
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| 11:23.22 | RST38h | ssvb: So with FORCE_VSYNC you get a resemblance of the "normal" screen buffer with auto updates? |
| 11:24.34 | ssvb | RST38h: not really, auto updates are turned on in a different way |
| 11:25.20 | pupnik | fix in next device |
| 11:25.55 | ssvb | RST38h: or if you kick it periodically, yes that would really work as auto updates |
| 11:26.55 | ssvb | RST38h: but anyway, if you need to synchronize drawing with screen updates (to get rid of tearing), that will not help much |
| 11:27.35 | RST38h | aha |
| 11:27.53 | RST38h | spends so much time to draw to the screen that nothing will help him get rid of tearing really |
| 11:28.31 | RST38h | Screen update has to happen scanline by scanline and synced to the simulated CPU execution time |
| 11:28.32 | ssvb | RST38h: if you use double buffering, it does not matter how much time is spent on drawing |
| 11:29.00 | RST38h | ssvb: no double buffering on Maemo at the moment |
| 11:29.09 | RST38h | i.e. not using it, not that it is not implemented |
| 11:29.21 | ssvb | RST38h: Xv is some kind of double buffer :-) |
| 11:30.03 | RST38h | ssvb: I tried using xv, did not find rgb layer support, and went stright to /dev/fb0 |
| 11:30.16 | ssvb | RST38h: actually it's more like triple buffering scheme: XV image -> framebuffer -> external LCD controller memory |
| 11:30.21 | RST38h | fb0 works pretty well, actually, no complaints there |
| 11:30.43 | RST38h | ssvb: Not really, because BOTH me and the DMA are working on the framebuffer |
| 11:31.13 | ssvb | RST38h: yes, if you are accessing framebuffer directly |
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| 11:32.12 | ssvb | RST38h: if you use Xv, Xv image gets copied to the framebuffer at the right moment (when it does not interfere with DMA), so everything is supposed to be smooth |
| 11:32.29 | ssvb | RST38h: though the extra buffer copy is a prrice |
| 11:32.32 | RST38h | ssvb: I would prefer to avoid any extra copying |
| 11:32.47 | RST38h | ssvb: Really really really need those CPucycles |
| 11:32.59 | pupnik | esp vgba |
| 11:33.48 | ssvb | RST38h: but if you are working directly with framebuffer, you may have performance problems, cache is disabled for it (only write-combining buffer is enabled), so reading operations are slow |
| 11:34.32 | RST38h | ssvb: No problem there, just writing, sequentially |
| 11:34.54 | RST38h | Although this does shine some light on why softening algorithms are so slow in VGBA |
| 11:36.17 | ssvb | RST38h: sequential writing is not a very common case, unless you are copying data from another buffer where you do offscreen rendering |
| 11:36.37 | ssvb | RST38h: and Xv image can be used as offscreen buffer easily |
| 11:36.55 | RST38h | falls in that uncommon case category |
| 11:37.05 | ssvb | RST38h: ok |
| 11:37.20 | RST38h | i.e. yes, I do have an offscreen "buffer" of sorts, but not sure you want to know what it is :) |
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| 11:59.39 | lcuk | RST38h, pupnik - benefit of using xv RGB mode, you should be able to set resolution specifically as well and save cycles that way |
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| 12:00.14 | pupnik | sounds glood |
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| 12:06.41 | RST38h | lcuk: I.e. you can zoom to an arbitrary size, not just xN? |
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| 12:07.09 | lcuk | RST38h, i dunno, and xv itself has other issues |
| 12:07.15 | lcuk | still not perfect rotation |
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| 12:27.36 | tobi_ | Hi, i'm planning to build a linux based in-car-system and i'd like to use maemo on it |
| 12:27.47 | tobi_ | will maemo freemantle run on arm9 based boards? :s |
| 12:28.14 | RST38h | not as is |
| 12:28.18 | RST38h | but you can try Mer |
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| 12:28.23 | tobi_ | this board looks promising: http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 |
| 12:28.25 | KayDeeEeJon | hi |
| 12:28.27 | lcuk | no, but someone just did the same with canola on its own with no wm |
| 12:28.32 | tobi_ | it claims to boot linux within 2s ;) |
| 12:28.43 | tobi_ | ou really? |
| 12:28.56 | lcuk | ya rly |
| 12:29.05 | tobi_ | and btw... the system should be hotplug :D |
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| 12:29.27 | tobi_ | so you can plug in a usb-hd and it will scan your hd for media files |
| 12:30.01 | tobi_ | there are just a few ideas and i'm looking for a hw-sw-combination which will best fit my needs :D |
| 12:30.36 | lbt | tobi_: some guy already did this with Mer on x86 with a touch screen |
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| 12:32.09 | tobi_ | did he? did he publish his project, or at least its status in the web? |
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| 12:34.22 | thux | can it be true that only 1% use linux? |
| 12:34.22 | thux | http://www.netapplications.com/newsarticle.aspx?nid=52 |
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| 12:39.08 | GeneralAntilles | X-Fade, and apparently hurt some feelings in the process. |
| 12:39.18 | X-Fade | GeneralAntilles: lol ;) |
| 12:40.53 | wazd | jeez, my n900 mockup got 5 thumbs down@maemo.org :( |
| 12:41.05 | wazd | nice e-mail :) |
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| 12:44.05 | keesj | thux: for sure , the linux desktop world is still small (lucky we have netbooks) |
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| 12:44.53 | thux | brw is here any people who are testing next maemo prototype? |
| 12:45.31 | GeneralAntilles | thux, sure, but they really can't much talk about it. |
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| 12:45.41 | thux | can it make gsm calls? |
| 12:45.42 | wazd | thux: they will be killed if they reveal this info :) |
| 12:46.16 | wazd | thux: then ressurected and then killed again) |
| 12:46.36 | aquatix | then shot in the knees |
| 12:46.44 | thux | i just heard that many nokians are testing prototype |
| 12:46.46 | keesj | HSPA is all that was promissed |
| 12:46.47 | aquatix | you know, the basic NDA stuff |
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| 12:47.30 | lbt | thux: so did you get that? |
| 12:47.50 | thux | i'm not nokianss |
| 12:49.20 | RST38h | get what? |
| 12:49.35 | thux | prototype |
| 12:49.47 | lbt | I posted all the N900 details... |
| 12:49.49 | RST38h | grumbles |
| 12:49.56 | lbt | hope they weren't lost in the split |
| 12:50.07 | RST38h | they were, please repeat |
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| 12:50.31 | lbt | aw damn, my line history broke and I'm too lazy to retype |
| 12:50.50 | thux | and put in youtube some video too |
| 12:52.27 | RST38h | lbt: scroll back cut and paste =) |
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| 12:53.07 | lbt | good idea |
| 12:53.10 | lbt | well wouldn't you know it; the split used up all my scrollback buffer |
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| 13:03.16 | lbt | hi fiferboy |
| 13:03.22 | fiferboy | hi lbt |
| 13:03.26 | fiferboy | How's it going? |
| 13:03.43 | lbt | got some time this morning and it's looking good |
| 13:04.03 | fiferboy | Excellent |
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| 13:04.56 | lbt | you? |
| 13:05.37 | X-Fade | Hmm what's up with that glib dependency issue for liqbase? |
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| 13:05.58 | fiferboy | Had a nice weekend, ready to get back into some programming |
| 13:07.04 | lbt | good |
| 13:07.18 | lbt | I fixed a few minor issues in the code |
| 13:07.53 | lbt | It also needs to handle being manually overshot (the algorithm just doesn't work) |
| 13:08.01 | wazd | fiferboy: hola |
| 13:08.04 | lbt | (I cheated) |
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| 13:08.26 | fiferboy | hey wazd |
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| 13:09.15 | fiferboy | lbt: I noticed the manual overshoot doesn't scroll back smoothly now. It jumps back, which is way better than nothing |
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| 13:09.26 | lbt | yeah... that's exactly what I mean :) |
| 13:09.26 | *** topic/#maemo by timsamoff -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Public Maemo Community Council Meeting, TODAY, 13:30 UTC | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job. |
| 13:09.27 | RST38h | Freescale tablet is out |
| 13:09.41 | RST38h | ok, announced |
| 13:09.45 | cosmo | url? |
| 13:09.56 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/freescale-netbook-and-android-powered-smartbook-debut/ |
| 13:09.59 | lcuk | X-Fade, i dunno, it passed your autobuilder tests, but then in the next package sampppa says its blowing up. i really suck at packaging |
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| 13:10.31 | wazd | smartbook, omg |
| 13:10.31 | X-Fade | lcuk: let's check where that version dependency comes from.. |
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| 13:10.35 | wazd | netphone, anyone? |
| 13:11.03 | RST38h | wazd: You can get yours right now from HTC |
| 13:11.05 | X-Fade | lcuk: I want to be sure that the SDK is ok and this is a packaging error on liqbase's part ;) |
| 13:11.13 | RST38h | If you are ok with WinMobile that is =8)~ |
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| 13:12.10 | lcuk | X-Fade, i wouldnt have the foggiest. its totally dodgy i cant even get diablo working on my sb to try with, collar sampppa and z4chh if you find anything out x-fade :$ |
| 13:12.30 | lcuk | will try himself in a few hours |
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| 13:16.33 | Jaffa | Af'noon all. |
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| 13:16.38 | Jaffa | is home, and shattered |
| 13:16.42 | aquatix | hey Jaffa |
| 13:18.24 | wazd | Jaffa: hola |
| 13:18.35 | timsamoff | Jaffa you have permission to sit out fot the meeting if you have too. ;) |
| 13:18.52 | lbt | 'lo Jaffa ... brain gc required? |
| 13:19.09 | timsamoff | Fun: http://pikchur.com/a8A |
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| 13:28.06 | fiferboy | lbt: Did I send you the code with the isRightToLeft errors? |
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| 13:31.30 | lcuk | hear ye, hear ya right now, #maemo-meeting is underway. council and others. |
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| 13:48.12 | lbt | fiferboy: s/./->/ you mean |
| 13:48.23 | lbt | no... I fixed them ;) |
| 13:48.50 | fiferboy | That's what I get for not doing a compile after my last changes. |
| 13:48.57 | fiferboy | Just found out about it this morning. |
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| 13:51.23 | fiferboy | lbt: I'm going to try putting a drawOvershoot function in QASA and see if I can override it for item views |
| 13:51.36 | lbt | well |
| 13:51.42 | lbt | hold off for a short while... |
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| 13:51.57 | lbt | or be prepared to merge into my version... |
| 13:52.52 | Stskeeps | yawns and hugs sprintweb |
| 13:52.53 | fiferboy | My changes will be minor, just want to see how to do it. |
| 13:52.53 | fiferboy | I will merge them to your version. |
| 13:52.53 | lbt | OK... hmm... must nag gnuton |
| 13:53.17 | lbt | Stskeeps: yeah, sprintweb is nice... wazd needs to see it though. He'll die. |
| 13:54.08 | Stskeeps | he did |
| 13:54.15 | Stskeeps | said it needed stylesheet |
| 13:54.46 | lbt | s/style/stylesheet/ |
| 13:55.09 | Stskeeps | its very mobile friendly |
| 13:57.29 | aquatix | sprintweb? |
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| 13:58.08 | Stskeeps | http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010 |
| 13:59.05 | Stskeeps | you take a task from backlog, you have 3days initially to do it, you can extend estimate, give up, complete task |
| 13:59.10 | Stskeeps | edit task |
| 13:59.11 | Stskeeps | etc |
| 13:59.29 | Stskeeps | all glued in with autogenerated microblogging |
| 13:59.31 | wazd | lbt: mm?) |
| 13:59.51 | lbt | wazd: http://guest:guest@trac.tspre.org:9010 |
| 13:59.51 | aquatix | heh, nice |
| 14:00.04 | lbt | ooh, I'm in the RED |
| 14:00.20 | Stskeeps | yeah, means you didnt extend estimate |
| 14:00.29 | aquatix | lbt: get on with it! |
| 14:00.30 | aquatix | :P |
| 14:00.35 | lbt | feels guilty now |
| 14:00.45 | aquatix | that's the intention ;) |
| 14:00.52 | aquatix | guilt someone into fixing stuff |
| 14:01.22 | wazd | lbt: ah, saw that already :) |
| 14:01.30 | lbt | that's all it was |
| 14:01.41 | wazd | lbt: handy but ugly :) |
| 14:01.55 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:02.01 | lbt | nods .... lbt thought of wazd.... |
| 14:02.25 | aquatix | wazd: well, i think Stskeeps will accept some minor patches for css and html fixing (needs doctype ;) ) |
| 14:03.04 | wazd | aquatix: sure, I'll do it asa I'll finish Mer widgetlist :) |
| 14:03.15 | aquatix | :) |
| 14:03.23 | aquatix | priorities++ |
| 14:03.34 | aquatix | wonders how maemo5 final will look like |
| 14:03.48 | lbt | fremantle sdk looks very nice |
| 14:03.52 | Stskeeps | i guess sprintweb should have a vote function sometime |
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| 14:04.22 | lbt | heh... seeing maemo-meeting I think you get a vote if you do some work |
| 14:05.21 | fiferboy | Has anyone else experienced screwed up colours in the fremantle SDK in scratchbox? |
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| 14:05.42 | Stskeeps | but we will get to that eventually, we have equal priority for most things |
| 14:05.54 | wazd | fiferboy: yep, there was such a problem |
| 14:05.56 | lbt | right... back l8r |
| 14:06.15 | wazd | fiferboy: but I don't know was it fixed or not |
| 14:06.20 | fiferboy | wazd: Glad it's not just me. I thought it might be because I didn't have openGL |
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| 14:39.34 | Andy80 | hi |
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| 14:56.31 | pupnik_ | lcuk, did you ever get uae4all src from kotczarny? |
| 14:57.07 | LinuxCode | better question |
| 14:57.13 | LinuxCode | does that actually work now ? |
| 14:57.23 | LinuxCode | is still waiting for a use emu for his N810 |
| 14:57.24 | LinuxCode | ;-| |
| 14:57.33 | pupnik_ | it was working last year with sound and high speed |
| 14:57.42 | pupnik_ | but sound not working atm |
| 14:57.46 | LinuxCode | not when I tried it |
| 14:58.08 | LinuxCode | got a link ? |
| 14:58.09 | pupnik_ | somehow my dev/dsp & esddsp is wrong |
| 14:58.21 | pupnik_ | not atm |
| 14:58.28 | pupnik_ | what didnt work for you |
| 14:58.41 | LinuxCode | I only tried it last timne we talked |
| 14:58.55 | LinuxCode | it wouldnt run at all afai recall |
| 14:58.59 | pupnik_ | did it segfault? |
| 14:59.02 | LinuxCode | yah |
| 14:59.16 | pupnik_ | still haved the binary? |
| 14:59.25 | LinuxCode | probably |
| 14:59.33 | X-Fade | timsamoff: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/council-meeting-2009-06-08.html |
| 14:59.33 | qwerty12 | pupnik_: he can be found in #liqbase |
| 14:59.46 | timsamoff | X-Fade: Thanks! |
| 14:59.51 | pupnik_ | k ty |
| 15:00.09 | LinuxCode | 4pm , he is probbaly working |
| 15:00.34 | X-Fade | timsamoff: better wording to discribe these meetings for: http://maemo.org/maemo-meeting/ are appreciated ;) |
| 15:00.44 | pupnik_ | if we can integrate a working dsp wrapper into the .deb - might solve it |
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| 15:02.27 | timsamoff | X-Fade: Title: Maemo Community Council meetings; Description: Maemo Community Council meetings are held periodically to cover community ideas and issues. These meetings are open for everybody to join. |
| 15:02.44 | timsamoff | X-Fade: Thank you so much! |
| 15:03.22 | X-Fade | timsamoff: Thanks, updated. |
| 15:03.41 | timsamoff | :D |
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| 15:12.37 | timsamoff | X-Fade: Is there a specific Council Blog RSS feed? |
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| 15:13.38 | Tu13es | hm, I'm trying to flash my n800 and getting this: |
| 15:13.38 | Tu13es | Write failed after 0 bytes |
| 15:13.39 | Tu13es | usb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -1 |
| 15:13.45 | Tu13es | any ideas? |
| 15:14.06 | pupnik | lcuk, you up for doing me a favor? |
| 15:14.07 | Stskeeps | 1) are you root 2) did you hold down home key when turning it on? |
| 15:14.19 | Tu13es | Stskeeps: yep, and yep |
| 15:14.35 | Stskeeps | Tu13es: grab static flasher and see if it helps |
| 15:14.57 | Tu13es | what/where is that? |
| 15:15.34 | Stskeeps | tablets-dev.nokia.com , there's a flasher-something-static on the flasher download page |
| 15:15.41 | Stskeeps | then you're sure it's the right libusb version |
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| 15:17.27 | Tu13es | will it work on a mac? |
| 15:17.39 | Stskeeps | ah. |
| 15:17.48 | Stskeeps | now that's a different game :P |
| 15:18.05 | Tu13es | heh |
| 15:18.28 | Tu13es | if it matters, my n800 seems to be in an odd state - it won't boot |
| 15:18.37 | Tu13es | I haven't used it in a while and can't remember what I was doing last with it, heh |
| 15:18.43 | Stskeeps | try to charge it completely first |
| 15:18.48 | Stskeeps | leave it in charger |
| 15:19.06 | Tu13es | I charged it overnight last night, oddly |
| 15:19.10 | Stskeeps | hmm |
| 15:19.10 | Tu13es | well, I plugged it in overnight |
| 15:19.43 | icke_itt | remove the battery for a couple of minutes |
| 15:19.43 | Stskeeps | you don't have a secondary battery do you? |
| 15:20.07 | Tu13es | will do |
| 15:20.44 | icke_itt | than charge it again and try to start it after the charging symbol shows |
| 15:22.40 | Tu13es | whoa, weird |
| 15:23.04 | Tu13es | okay, so just playing around i popped the battery back in, plugged in USB, started the flasher, and plugged in the AC adapter |
| 15:23.07 | Tu13es | it started flashing, but |
| 15:23.15 | Tu13es | Sending and flashing rootfs image (134912 kB)... 12% (16512 of 134912 kB, 5892 kB/s) |
| 15:23.19 | Tu13es | Write failed after 16908288 bytes |
| 15:23.21 | Tu13es | usb_bulk_write: Unknown error: -1 |
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| 15:23.51 | pupnik | dodgy cable/connection? |
| 15:24.20 | Tu13es | don't think so, it did something similar a few minutes ago i think |
| 15:25.31 | pupnik | i want a button in xchat to snap a pic from camera, autoupload to an image hoster, and paste url into current channel |
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| 15:31.04 | Tu13es | ah, finally got to a charging screen |
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| 15:35.01 | rmt | pupnik, That shouldn't be hard. |
| 15:35.09 | rmt | pupnik, Xchat got the python script module installed? |
| 15:35.16 | pupnik | yes |
| 15:35.28 | pupnik | would be a nice trick imo |
| 15:35.28 | rmt | Then you're pretty much set. :-> |
| 15:35.39 | qwerty12 | rmt: My build from extras-devel has it enabled; the Extras one, not. |
| 15:35.41 | pupnik | i cant dev atm |
| 15:37.32 | rmt | pupnik, A python X-chat script would be a good way to start. You can load the easy python (iirc) module.. you'll have to install the package. |
| 15:38.05 | rmt | Then use the urllib2 module to POST it to an image upload site.. |
| 15:38.05 | pupnik | k |
| 15:38.23 | pupnik | can python drive camera snaps? |
| 15:38.46 | Tu13es | and, it boots, yay |
| 15:39.02 | rmt | pupnik, Yes. |
| 15:39.17 | pupnik | looks doable then! |
| 15:39.58 | rmt | easy - Python-based API to ease the development of applications that access MAEMO-specific services and devices. |
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| 15:41.39 | rmt | import easy.camera |
| 15:41.57 | rmt | http://easy.garage.maemo.org/ |
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| 15:44.56 | rmt | easy.camera.click("filename.jpg") |
| 15:45.03 | rmt | Then easy.camera.stop() |
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| 15:47.54 | Tu13es | hm, what can I do if apt-get update seems to hang while waiting for headers? |
| 15:57.22 | Tu13es | anyone else seeing this? I can't update in apt-get or application manager |
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| 16:01.10 | Tu13es | weird, reboot fixed it |
| 16:02.47 | pupnik | ahh painkillers |
| 16:03.49 | thux | pupnik: have you exercised too much? |
| 16:04.07 | pupnik | god bless sandof-aventis |
| 16:04.20 | pupnik | moved to a new house. herniated disc |
| 16:04.42 | thux | lift heavy things |
| 16:04.58 | pupnik | that was the problem |
| 16:05.19 | pupnik | looking into surgery |
| 16:06.34 | pupnik | http://pupnik.de/DrPocketSnes_Nokia_The_Horror.tgz in case anyone wants fullspeed snes |
| 16:06.57 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 16:07.02 | pupnik | that should start and load the rom |
| 16:07.10 | luke-jr | pupnik: fullspeed with breathing room, or just barely? |
| 16:07.20 | pupnik | breathing room |
| 16:07.28 | pupnik | estimatd |
| 16:07.28 | luke-jr | hm |
| 16:07.32 | luke-jr | you wrote it? |
| 16:07.45 | pupnik | no, just worked on porting for weeks |
| 16:08.32 | qwerty12 | You're awesome pupnik, thanks! |
| 16:08.50 | LinuxCode | gets the whip out for pupnik to package up uae4all for N810 |
| 16:09.03 | LinuxCode | ;-d |
| 16:09.07 | LinuxCode | ;-D |
| 16:11.16 | pupnik | i can not sit or work on pc |
| 16:11.33 | pupnik | lying on the floor 22hrs/day |
| 16:14.41 | derf | Get a laptop. |
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| 16:16.40 | pupnik | fix my t42p |
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| 16:21.01 | plastun | hi2all. How can i play wav file in python? there is no module named ossaudiodev |
| 16:21.54 | pupnik | there is no oss |
| 16:22.23 | pupnik | there is esd and alsa support |
| 16:23.04 | plastun | are there python bindings to alsa or esd? |
| 16:24.29 | pupnik | i never wrote python |
| 16:24.58 | plastun | ok |
| 16:25.49 | qwerty12 | plastun: hildon.hildon_play_system_sound("wav file") for really simple playback of a wav file; python-gstreamer bindings for something a little more advanced |
| 16:26.22 | plastun | thnks, i'll try |
| 16:26.59 | plastun | oy! |
| 16:27.01 | plastun | cool! |
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| 16:33.39 | RST38h | moo all again |
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| 16:42.25 | Jaffa | Seems very odd reading the Apple WWDC liveblogging from just around the corner of where I was last week, and could see them decking out the conference center (sic) in Apple logos and iPhone paraphenalia |
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| 16:42.56 | RST38h | is iPhone paraphenalia legal? |
| 16:43.18 | Jaffa | RST38h: Newton necrophilia definitely shouldn't be |
| 16:43.27 | GAN800 | Even XChat causes wd resets. . . |
| 16:43.45 | RST38h | Jaffa: should all be outlawed imho =) |
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| 16:45.30 | GAN800 | <angryoldbastard>There should be a law!</angryoldbastard> |
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| 16:56.51 | timeless_mbp | got lost in London |
| 16:56.53 | timeless_mbp | well, @paddington |
| 16:57.06 | timeless_mbp | is @paddington library :) |
| 16:57.19 | Stskeeps | your n810 gps stopped working? we had to rely on paper maps in cph:P |
| 16:57.21 | timeless_mbp | btw, anyone in the neighborhood? |
| 16:57.35 | timeless_mbp | i was using paper maps in cph half the time |
| 16:57.47 | timeless_mbp | i haven't really bothered trying to use the n810 gps |
| 16:57.56 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that the maps all get my destination wrong |
| 16:58.09 | timeless_mbp | Nokia Maps claims none of my reference points exist |
| 16:58.19 | timeless_mbp | Google Maps seems to be off by at least one station |
| 16:58.47 | timeless_mbp | considered asking the librarian for help but decided to use the free wifi instead |
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| 17:00.41 | lbt | not in london... but I can wave in your general direction.... |
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| 17:04.27 | lopz | hi |
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| 17:06.22 | timeless_mbp | lbt: heh |
| 17:06.32 | timeless_mbp | waves back in some general direction |
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| 17:06.47 | timeless_mbp | kicks end users |
| 17:07.13 | suihkulokki | that is not very user friendly |
| 17:07.27 | qwerty12 | RST38h: does fMSX check checksums on roms like vgba? :) |
| 17:07.46 | timeless_mbp | users are not very developer friendly |
| 17:07.59 | timeless_mbp | a guy said "i confirm this bug exists" in a bug report |
| 17:08.07 | timeless_mbp | which has no details, no stack, ... |
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| 17:10.07 | fiferboy | lbt: Implemented a virtual function for drawOvershoot and an override in QTableView that has the headers follow the overshoot |
| 17:11.09 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: details are presumably in the original report |
| 17:11.17 | timeless_mbp | no |
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| 17:11.29 | luke-jr | stacks are not always available, and I would expect not on embedded systems |
| 17:11.59 | GAN800 | timeless_mbp, clearly the failings all lie with you, so I'm not sure why you're complaining. :P |
| 17:12.11 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 17:12.18 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: this is os/2 warp 4.5 :) |
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| 17:19.26 | RST38h | qwerty: No, fMSX does not check checksums (MSX carts had none) |
| 17:19.44 | qwerty12 | RST38h: ah, thanks :( |
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| 17:25.13 | RST38h | qwerty: something is wrong? |
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| 17:26.06 | qwerty12 | RST38h: yeah, refuses to load a Metal Gear 1 (translated) rom. I get a "failed loading file". Running it from console does not produce any errors. Bluemsx plays it fine :) |
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| 17:38.10 | leandroal | will the new maemo device have GSM/3G support? |
| 17:39.19 | pupnik | apparently yesx |
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| 17:40.10 | RST38h | qwerty: Metal Gear 1 does not require translation and plays just fine |
| 17:40.21 | RST38h | qwerty: Send me the file I will check what it is |
| 17:41.05 | qwerty12 | RST38h: Meh, I am not fluent in Japanese (although I'm not averse to grabbing a walkthough). but you're right, this is a hacked rom after all |
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| 17:42.55 | qwerty12 | Sent, thanks. |
| 17:44.10 | RST38h | MetalGear 1 has been released in English by Konami |
| 17:44.15 | konttori | pupnik: cool! |
| 17:44.28 | RST38h | So I have no idea what "translated" ROM you have been playing =) |
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| 17:44.50 | RST38h | It is also a pretty simple KONAMI4 ROM mapper, should not have problems |
| 17:45.03 | qwerty12 | RST38h: for which system? :) |
| 17:45.07 | RST38h | MSX |
| 17:45.12 | RST38h | MSX2 to be precise |
| 17:45.38 | qwerty12 | Haha, that's me shitfucked. Thanks for the pointer, I'll have a look around |
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| 17:50.18 | lbt | fiferboy: diff? |
| 17:50.48 | fiferboy | Hang on, just fixing a graphical issue with the headers |
| 17:51.19 | fiferboy | lbt: Are you reworking the scrolling/overshoot calculations? |
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| 17:52.17 | lbt | yes |
| 17:52.35 | lbt | looking much better now |
| 17:52.46 | fiferboy | It will most likely be easier for me to merge my changes, if you can wait a bit |
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| 17:53.59 | lbt | I'm messing in yScrollState == OverShootStabilise |
| 17:55.17 | fiferboy | Was the problem detecting when manualScroll was exited and needed to go to stabilise? |
| 17:55.29 | fiferboy | Or are you just generally improving the algorithm? |
| 17:55.36 | lbt | no, just algorithm |
| 17:55.47 | fiferboy | Gotcha |
| 17:56.37 | fiferboy | I can easily add my changes to QListView and QTreeView, which means QTableWidget, QListWidget, and QTreeWidget should inherit them. |
| 17:57.08 | RST38h | qwerty: I tried your rom and it runs on fMSX-Windows just fine. It does look weird though, using non-standard font, as if somebody translated it |
| 17:58.18 | RST38h | qwerty: The original English version uses bold font |
| 17:58.27 | qwerty12_N810 | RST38h: aha, fMSX-Maemo wont touch it but no matter now. Thank you! :) |
| 18:00.05 | pupnik | ines could use .zip support if u bored RST38h |
| 18:00.54 | RST38h | pupnik: it supports .gz |
| 18:01.01 | RST38h | As far as I am concerned, it is enough |
| 18:02.14 | pupnik | k, i convert |
| 18:02.56 | fiferboy | lbt: How does git do if two people are making changes to the same branch and then merge separately? |
| 18:03.52 | fiferboy | It will mark the files with problem comments and alert the user, correct? |
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| 18:12.09 | RST38h | "Revolutionary built-in battery" |
| 18:12.12 | RST38h | feh |
| 18:13.44 | Stskeeps | "Ipod"? |
| 18:13.54 | RST38h | macbook |
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| 18:17.16 | RST38h | "When you run in 64-bit, the memory limit is... 16 billion GB. It's unlimited." |
| 18:17.42 | RST38h | puny attempt to create jobsian reality distortion field fails! |
| 18:18.08 | Jaffa | 16bn GB really *should* be enough for everyone ;-) |
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| 18:18.13 | Stskeeps | built in battery for a laptop? |
| 18:18.15 | Stskeeps | christ sakes |
| 18:18.17 | Stskeeps | are they insane? :P |
| 18:18.22 | lcuk | yeah, but vista will still insist on more |
| 18:18.47 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: bit odd; but maybe the Mac heads upgrade more often, combined with improved technology? |
| 18:19.04 | lcuk | RST38h, it may not be unlimited, but i doubt there is anyone in the world who has 16 bm GB |
| 18:19.05 | t_s_o | Jaffa: that would depend on the addressing. iirc, one can address the full 4GB in 32-bit thanks to memory on the graphics card(s) sharing the same address space or something... |
| 18:19.05 | lcuk | bn |
| 18:19.29 | t_s_o | Jaffa: extended warranty... |
| 18:19.37 | t_s_o | just fork over a bit more cash to apple... |
| 18:20.24 | RST38h | lcuk: you would be surprised |
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| 18:23.11 | RST38h | "For 3.0, we're opening up the possibility for developers to build apps that talk directly to third-party hardware!" |
| 18:23.12 | wazd | with iPhone you can actually remotely see in real time, wether your patient has the pulse |
| 18:23.12 | RST38h | "These companion apps can talk over Bluetooth or the dock connector!" -- holy shit, that is innovation! |
| 18:23.31 | wazd | pretty amazing |
| 18:23.36 | Jaffa | 40m devices is quite impressive |
| 18:23.56 | Jaffa | wazd: yeah, that app looks pretty cool - shows vertical markets, hmm. |
| 18:24.05 | Stskeeps | wazd: that's bloody easy. |
| 18:24.05 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:24.10 | t_s_o | RST38h: sarcasm? |
| 18:24.22 | RST38h | You can play music from your iTunes collection (on the phone) in the app! |
| 18:24.36 | RST38h | t_s_o: direct quotes from the keynote (exclamation marks are mine) |
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| 18:24.41 | pupnik | qwertys dosbox build seems to have a bit smoother audio |
| 18:24.52 | pupnik | hard to benchmark tho |
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| 18:25.08 | wazd | tomtom is the first navi software in the appstore. Cause we were dumping all others for a year |
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| 18:26.06 | RST38h | wonders how much tomtom paid for the privilege |
| 18:26.50 | t_s_o | hmm, "find phone"... |
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| 18:28.20 | wazd | ngmocO_o :) |
| 18:31.41 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.05 | pupnik | durr. and old links to it are dead :) |
| 18:33.31 | qwerty12_N810 | it's in his repo now |
| 18:33.53 | qwerty12_N810 | he has a one click install somewhere - look for knots |
| 18:34.30 | pupnik | k |
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| 18:46.42 | DHR | Does anyone know how to get gnumeric for mistral? The maemo download ends up pointing at an apparently dead server, www.maemo.org.br |
| 18:48.38 | wazd | I wonder why they ignored the number of windows mobile apps in the keynote :) |
| 18:49.46 | t_s_o | wazd: or the non-store symbian equivalent... |
| 18:50.01 | t_s_o | and funny that they included pre, as its been out what, days? |
| 18:50.42 | bergie | hehe... and apparantly Apple invented camphones too: "iPhone has changed the way people use their Phone (as a camera)" |
| 18:51.33 | t_s_o | changed, not invented, tho i suspect thats just a lawyer dodge. it they could get away with it, they would probably proclaim invented from the stage |
| 18:52.17 | RST38h | 3 megapixel autofocus camera |
| 18:52.18 | RST38h | hmmm |
| 18:52.33 | RST38h | bergie: have they done it with a 3mpx camera? =) |
| 18:52.44 | bergie | indeed :-) |
| 18:53.19 | bergie | t_s_o: well, I hear that statement strongly implying they invented it |
| 18:53.25 | RST38h | naaah this guy isn't Jobs. his rdf is nil |
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| 18:54.09 | RST38h | You can share your pictures with anyone! OHMYGOD! |
| 18:54.19 | RST38h | Apple invented MMS. |
| 18:54.43 | t_s_o | when was the first time i head about a phone with youtube upload? must have been a nokia pre-iphone... |
| 18:54.58 | RST38h | There is an API (!) for video capture (!!) |
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| 18:55.21 | RST38h | imagines thousands of Apple developers getting a simultenous woody |
| 18:55.40 | t_s_o | its WWDC after all, must talk about API's... |
| 18:56.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: how mature is maemo vala development? |
| 18:57.25 | pupnik | qwerty12_N810, can u strip the dosbox bin and re u/l? |
| 18:57.34 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Tear is the only prominent Vala app, I know of. IDE support is still weak compared with real, big, mature languages - but as a technology (rather than a dev-env) it's fine. |
| 18:57.39 | Stskeeps | k |
| 18:57.48 | pupnik | i dont find "strip" for maemo |
| 18:57.54 | Jaffa | 0.7.3 won't compile on glib 2.12 (i.e. Maemo) without a patch; but that's fixed in svn |
| 18:58.24 | Stskeeps | just wondering if there are some guides, could be a good way to promote mer devel |
| 18:58.29 | qwerty12_N810 | pupnik: that binary is stripped :) (2.5MB -> 2.2MB) |
| 18:58.39 | pupnik | ohh! |
| 18:58.43 | pupnik | woww |
| 18:59.08 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: I'm not aware of any :-( |
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| 18:59.11 | t_s_o | hehe, appeal to the green |
| 19:03.13 | lbt | fiferboy: yes it has good conflict resolution handling |
| 19:04.01 | fiferboy | The documentation I've read indicated that |
| 19:04.09 | Jaffa | "and one more thing"? |
| 19:05.38 | Jaffa | ah, no. |
| 19:06.19 | Jaffa | Fremantle and Harmattan have a lot to live up to (no point having wonderfully open APIs, if comparitively few people are developing for them) |
| 19:07.23 | RST38h | Neither will live up to iPhone software |
| 19:07.30 | RST38h | But you probably know it already |
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| 19:07.57 | Jaffa | Indeed |
| 19:08.28 | RST38h | But the toilet plunger Apple+AT&T tend to stick up customers' collective ass is alone sufficient to stay away from Apple gadgets |
| 19:08.36 | VDVsx | Stskeeps, there are some vala tuts in the gnome website |
| 19:08.43 | Jaffa | Oh yeah (AT&T isn't a problem in the UK) |
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| 19:09.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: don't need autoconf on Maemo, just a simple Makefile suffices IMHO |
| 19:09.14 | RST38h | Jaffa: iPhone is a total failure in .RU, with huge unsold inventories |
| 19:09.21 | lcuk | :'( |
| 19:09.26 | lcuk | Jaffa, if only |
| 19:09.27 | Jaffa | RST38h: Loads of them here. |
| 19:09.34 | Jaffa | lcuk: for vala, I mean |
| 19:09.39 | RST38h | Jaffa: Mainly because whoever wanted got themselves broken ones long time ago |
| 19:09.56 | RST38h | Jaffa: and for the rest it is an overpriced useless toy |
| 19:09.57 | lcuk | has been ripping hair out for a week trying to split up liqbase and adapt to autotools |
| 19:10.07 | Jaffa | lcuk: don't envy you |
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| 19:10.13 | RST38h | lcuk: autotools I would suggest to ignore |
| 19:10.14 | lcuk | i have 2 packages which are *nearly* right |
| 19:10.21 | lcuk | RST38h, its a library |
| 19:10.33 | RST38h | lcuk: absolutely useless crap, as applied to maemo development |
| 19:10.33 | lcuk | and i agree, before this i was nice and happy with little makefiles |
| 19:10.38 | lcuk | hand crafted and working |
| 19:10.58 | Jaffa | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/packages/vala-sample.pkg/Makefile?root=mud-builder&view=markup is the entirety of the makefile for a Hildon hello-world vala program |
| 19:11.07 | lcuk | now ive lost all mojo and will to live (but i know its needed in longrun) |
| 19:11.21 | RST38h | lcuk: kill and eat a kitten? |
| 19:11.28 | lcuk | ive tried :( |
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| 19:11.32 | lcuk | it barely took the edge off |
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| 19:17.50 | lcuk | jeremiah_torp, :$ are you around |
| 19:17.52 | Jaffa | X-Fade: jeremiah_torp: known problems with garage incoming-builder uploads? (I'm getting permission denied on chinook, diablo & fremantle) |
| 19:17.55 | lcuk | lol |
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| 19:18.51 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: we're overthrowing the council under the flag of our leader penguinbait, viva la revolution! |
| 19:18.59 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 19:24.52 | lbt | doesn't the new leader customarily get executed after a bit though? |
| 19:26.26 | Jaffa | Ah, working now |
| 19:26.32 | Jaffa | Revolution stamped out :) |
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| 19:26.51 | Stskeeps | hehe |
| 19:27.12 | Stskeeps | seriously though, did pb stop posting? |
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| 19:41.43 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, why must you tempt fate? :P |
| 19:42.16 | Stskeeps | GAN800: hehe |
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| 19:50.50 | fiferboy | lbt: Once you are happy with your changes, if you send them to me I will merge my changes in. |
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| 19:53.18 | lcuk | jeremiah_torp, keesj (or any other packaging gods) could you please let me know what went wrong and how to fix the packages http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294711#post294711 |
| 19:53.18 | lbt | I'm planning a late one... you may wrap up first. First to go to sleep emails. yes? |
| 19:53.19 | lcuk | bbl |
| 19:53.29 | fiferboy | lbt: Sounds good. I've got 5 hours of time zone advantage on my side! |
| 19:53.49 | lbt | heh |
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| 19:57.08 | DHR | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.38 | pupnik | echo 3 > /proc/cpu/alignment fixes Wing Commander for me |
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| 19:58.24 | GAN800 | idly wonders what a "torp" is. |
| 19:58.29 | Jaffa | DHR: Dunno, probably not. Just uploading it to extras-devel failed cos of a cockup |
| 19:58.37 | pupnik | torpedo? |
| 19:59.51 | pupnik | that ines icon is beautiful btw, RST38h |
| 20:01.27 | fiferboy | torpor is a temporary hibernation |
| 20:01.31 | fiferboy | Maybe that's it |
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| 20:08.51 | Macer | in canada do women wear dresses with outdoors boots? |
| 20:09.39 | fiferboy | Macer: In the winter? |
| 20:10.29 | Macer | whenever |
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| 20:10.36 | Macer | i'm just curious |
| 20:11.03 | Macer | i was watching little bear (who is obviously canadian) and their little psycho human girl... wears a blue dress with some like.... woods type boots |
| 20:11.16 | Macer | like some shit you would use to go chop down trees |
| 20:11.43 | fiferboy | My son watches Little Bear |
| 20:12.17 | fiferboy | I can't say I have ever noticed anyone dressed like that girl around here |
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| 20:14.19 | keesj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.29 | Stskeeps | is that unicode or alien language? :P |
| 20:16.07 | keesj | me trying to copy paste luck url on my n810 irssi |
| 20:16.24 | keesj | not geek codes |
| 20:16.43 | Mikho | but, alien language sounded so much cooler... |
| 20:16.49 | fiferboy | lbt: Item Views with headers look much more impressive now when overshooting! |
| 20:17.25 | Stskeeps | wtf |
| 20:17.29 | Stskeeps | talk has "Post Edit History" |
| 20:17.31 | Stskeeps | nasty :P |
| 20:17.43 | Stskeeps | people can see my typo fixes |
| 20:17.44 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 20:18.00 | qwerty12_N810 | no, only you can see your history |
| 20:18.13 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 20:18.14 | Stskeeps | phew :P |
| 20:20.22 | keesj | you and council members of course :p |
| 20:21.22 | keesj | lcuk: i will try to look at the post tomorow but i am nowhere near packagging god |
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| 20:22.32 | keesj | the main problem with the package as i left it was that it is a single package and it should be a lib and dev package |
| 20:23.27 | Macer | fiferboy: heh |
| 20:23.34 | Macer | well... i guess little bear is from canada |
| 20:23.56 | Macer | but next time when you see the girl in it.... i think.. emily? |
| 20:24.05 | Macer | she wears a blue dress with some wood chopping boots :) |
| 20:24.06 | lcuk | yeah i know kees :$ i spotted it and have tried to find out how to rectify. thank you for starting this off, i know wholeheartedly its needed |
| 20:24.31 | lcuk | and i know all the pieces are on the right sides of the fence now |
| 20:24.42 | lbt | fiferboy: go on ... send it |
| 20:24.50 | fiferboy | Macer: The author is from Denmark and moved to the United States |
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| 20:25.24 | fiferboy | lbt: Okay, I will send it. I just compiled QTreeView support as well. I was surprised to find out that QListView can't have headers. |
| 20:25.59 | lbt | heh, my original objective was to learn Qt... it's working |
| 20:26.21 | fiferboy | Yes, I'm starting to get a good working knowledge too |
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| 20:33.21 | Macer | fiferboy: the actors are canadian |
| 20:33.35 | Macer | they say the word house and out like canadians |
| 20:33.47 | fiferboy | Macer: Yes, I think the show might have been produced in Canada. It struck me as Canadian as well |
| 20:34.18 | Macer | i'm watching yo gabba gabba now |
| 20:34.55 | fiferboy | Macer: :) |
| 20:34.58 | fiferboy | Strange show, that |
| 20:34.59 | Macer | when i was 5 we used to live in a bad neighborhood on the south side of chicago.. and there was this old drunk woman named sylvia.. the kind the would scare children.. and she wore a hat like the guy from yo gabba gabba and it's disturbing |
| 20:35.18 | fiferboy | You can buy that hat and glasses in toy stores here! |
| 20:35.29 | fiferboy | You should get one and terrify neighbourhood kids |
| 20:35.34 | Macer | not really. it's the weird black dude that makes it a weird show |
| 20:35.44 | fiferboy | lbt: I sent you the files. Let me know what you think |
| 20:35.54 | Macer | the rest of the stuff is your typical kids show with giant animal type things |
| 20:36.07 | Macer | although the red herpes penis looking thing with one eye is kind of disturbing too |
| 20:36.08 | fiferboy | Macer: The celebrity cameos are strange too (Elijah Wood, Jimmy Eat World, etc) |
| 20:36.19 | Macer | yah! |
| 20:36.20 | Macer | haha |
| 20:36.23 | Macer | like "wtf?" |
| 20:36.33 | Macer | well.. alicia keys was the martian in the backyardigans :) |
| 20:36.40 | fiferboy | Jimmy Eat World flying through the sky playing their instruments on giant cats and dogs. |
| 20:36.45 | fiferboy | Macer: true |
| 20:36.54 | Macer | alcia keys is #1 on the list of women that i can sleep with if i got the chance and wouldn't lose my gf :) |
| 20:37.00 | fiferboy | And Cyndi Lauper did a song in Backyardigans |
| 20:37.36 | Macer | if i ever had a chance to meet alicia keys and she ever asked me to make a song request.. i'd make her sing boinga just to laugh :) |
| 20:38.02 | Macer | anyways... i need to work on my boxen |
| 20:38.19 | Macer | i screwed up making another zfs inside of another and using it as a smb share |
| 20:38.55 | Macer | mya is on yo gabba gabba now |
| 20:39.09 | Macer | i think she's hot in an arabic black woman looking kinda way |
| 20:39.43 | fiferboy | Bye all |
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| 21:05.59 | Tu13es | hm |
| 21:06.11 | Tu13es | can i use the n800 camera for any type of n800-to-pc video chat? |
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| 21:06.31 | timeless_mbp | gizmo |
| 21:06.38 | Tu13es | hm |
| 21:06.40 | Tu13es | that it? |
| 21:06.41 | timeless_mbp | or a windows beta client |
| 21:06.54 | timeless_mbp | or anything which supports the codec used by the n800 thing |
| 21:07.29 | Tu13es | hmm |
| 21:10.34 | SHADOW_V | the quality of the camera is pretty bad |
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| 21:19.54 | Tu13es | yeah |
| 21:20.01 | Tu13es | it'd just be so nice if it worked with skype :( |
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| 21:30.57 | pupnik | new dosbox build by javispedro with dynrec dynamic x86->arm recompiler and hildonization! |
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| 21:32.30 | pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5686&page=39 |
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| 21:38.08 | RST38h | 306MB of logs and counting... |
| 21:38.40 | RST38h | pupnik: You and qwerty should really place stuff into Extras... |
| 21:38.55 | qwerty12_N810 | Oh, the real fun would be in attempting to read them |
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| 21:41.08 | RST38h | heheh, the Congress is taking money out of NASA's manned space flight program |
| 21:41.37 | RST38h | No starships for you, earthlings =) |
| 21:43.50 | Proteous | Damnit Nokia, ship me my phone plz |
| 21:46.37 | RST38h | Proteous: what phone? |
| 21:51.00 | RST38h | "I did some Craigslist postings to advertise it, and I very quickly got an audience of about 50,000 viewers a month," says Matt Goodman, an advertising executive in Atlanta who had no trouble attracting an audience to his site, Things My Dog Ate, leading to some small advertising deals. "I think I made about $20 from readers clicking on the ads." |
| 21:51.13 | RST38h | advertising executive...mhm |
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| 22:04.37 | Proteous | RST38h: n97 |
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| 22:09.46 | b-man16 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=294762#post294762 -- Ejscript released for Maemo and Mer - check it out :D |
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| 22:56.46 | pupnik_ | :) :) :) :) |
| 22:57.00 | pupnik_ | reeeejoice! |
| 22:57.31 | lbt | Yay! |
| 22:57.50 | lbt | has no idea why but doesn't want to spoil the mood |
| 22:57.50 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 22:58.20 | pupnik_ | it has been over a year we wait for a faster dosbox |
| 22:58.57 | lbt | why do we care? |
| 23:00.04 | lbt | is it used as the base for some apps? |
| 23:00.11 | pupnik_ | dunno - emulation is one area where the old virtues are kept alive |
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| 23:00.49 | chx | http://twitter.com/chx1975/status/2082461518 woohoo <3 my N810 |
| 23:03.38 | pupnik_ | besides lbt, the devs wrote a new dynamic recompiler to runtime-convert x86 to ARM |
| 23:04.03 | pupnik_ | and they rewrote the yamaha fmopl2 and 3 |
| 23:04.06 | pupnik_ | 3>7)!594 |
| 23:04.14 | pupnik_ | cores |
| 23:05.28 | lbt | OK.. cool :) |
| 23:08.11 | pupnik_ | so now a few games that were unplayable seem to be playable |
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| 23:10.43 | chx | runtime-convert x86 to ARM |
| 23:10.45 | chx | WHAT? |
| 23:10.48 | chx | that sounds scary |
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| 23:37.19 | pupnik__ | :) |
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