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| 00:13.54 | Proteous | no |
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| 00:14.00 | Proteous | I never kid |
| 00:14.06 | GAN800 | Liar |
| 00:14.22 | GAN800 | Everybody was a kid once. |
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| 00:15.55 | Macer | blah. had to download a shuttle iso to use boot 132 to install a retail ver of osx on my shuttle k45 |
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| 00:16.30 | Macer | also had to use the install term to make the fs because for some sickly apple reason.. the disk manager wouldn't work on the hd |
| 00:25.52 | Proteous | maybe your HD smells bad and OSX has a sensitive nose |
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| 00:26.58 | Andrewfblack | Hello |
| 00:30.23 | jophish | hi |
| 00:30.32 | Macer | blah. this damn drive just doesn't seem to want to work |
| 00:30.46 | Macer | it can partition but for some reason it won't format.. newfs gave me a segfault |
| 00:35.24 | Proteous | SATA driver problems? |
| 00:35.33 | Proteous | are you running it in IDE compat mode? |
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| 00:35.37 | parigaudi | hi |
| 00:35.45 | Proteous | OMGHI2U!!!11!!one!! |
| 00:35.48 | Proteous | *cough* |
| 00:36.22 | parigaudi | i'm trying to set up usb networking (as i have neither bluetooth nor wlan router) |
| 00:36.42 | parigaudi | i transferred the usb statusbar .deb file to my n810 |
| 00:36.54 | parigaudi | but i can't find it there in the filemanager |
| 00:37.33 | parigaudi | in what directory do the files go that i upload with my pc by using my nokia as a mass storage device? |
| 00:37.52 | Proteous | I belive that both the internal and any external memory cards show up |
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| 00:39.03 | parigaudi | i have no external mem card, and as for the internal,it shows up as a vfat disk containing the two dirs "map" and "Video" |
| 00:39.33 | parigaudi | the trouble is, i can't find these dirs in the file manager of my n810 |
| 00:39.43 | parigaudi | and i don't know where they are |
| 00:40.07 | parigaudi | from within the busybox shell i tried to look around a bit |
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| 00:40.27 | Noma | /media/mmc1 or something? |
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| 00:42.41 | Proteous | yeah, it should be /media/mmc1 |
| 00:42.52 | Proteous | if you have an external card in it can move to mmc2 |
| 00:42.55 | Proteous | at least on mine it is |
| 00:44.00 | parigaudi | they are both empty here |
| 00:44.01 | Proteous | make sure you unmount it from you PC before you try to get at the memory card |
| 00:44.07 | parigaudi | oh ok |
| 00:44.14 | Proteous | if it is in mass storage mode you can't access it |
| 00:44.17 | Proteous | from the device |
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| 00:45.59 | Macer | Proteous: i doubt it is a problem with the controller |
| 00:46.01 | parigaudi | how do i switch the n810 from mass storage mode to a mode where i can access the files? |
| 00:46.06 | Macer | it can partition the drive :) |
| 00:46.19 | Macer | it sees it .. i am trying a zero-bit erase on it now |
| 00:46.29 | Macer | maybe there is something that win had on it that is preventing it from wiping in the osx install |
| 00:49.18 | Proteous | parigaudi: unmount the drive from your computer and unplug the USB cable |
| 00:49.21 | Proteous | usualy does the trick |
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| 00:50.30 | Proteous | Macer, being able to format the drive doesn't mean it's not a SATA compatability problem |
| 00:50.40 | parigaudi | ok thx |
| 00:50.50 | Proteous | <--- too much experience with fuxing SATA drivers in windows |
| 00:51.06 | parigaudi | disconnecting the cable did it (unmounting wasn't enough) |
| 00:51.15 | Proteous | cool |
| 00:51.37 | Proteous | Macer, as a test, if it's not already I'd go into the bios and switch it to IDE mode |
| 00:51.45 | Proteous | see if the install works |
| 00:52.40 | Proteous | in my windows experience you can format the drive just fine in SATA mode but when you go to install it chokes and can't find partitions and such |
| 00:53.22 | Proteous | and then you realize that SATA mode doesn't add any extra features except hot swaping really and you just go with the IDE compat mode... |
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| 00:59.57 | parigaudi | what's the root password? |
| 01:01.55 | Proteous | you have to install one of the root getting programs |
| 01:02.03 | Proteous | like becomeroot or gotroot |
| 01:02.07 | Proteous | !root |
| 01:02.53 | Proteous | https://wiki.maemo.org/Root_access |
| 01:03.06 | parigaudi | ok thx |
| 01:04.08 | Proteous | gotta go now, good luck parigaudi |
| 01:04.23 | parigaudi | good night |
| 01:04.26 | parigaudi | thanks again |
| 01:04.59 | Macer | Proteous: i'll try that out when i get teh chance. right now i'm trying to zero bit it in case windows had something on there that isn't agreeing with the osx install |
| 01:05.10 | Macer | it can partition. just won't format the drive so i will try it out |
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| 01:12.36 | Macer | lol. true blood cracks me up |
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| 01:21.05 | parigaudi | when i try to install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb from maemo repository (diablo), |
| 01:21.20 | parigaudi | my n810 tells me: "incompatible application package" |
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| 01:25.50 | GAN800 | dummy is no longer required. |
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| 01:29.51 | parigaudi | huh |
| 01:29.54 | parigaudi | ok thx |
| 01:31.31 | parigaudi | since when? |
| 01:31.43 | th3_4zarado | wine with maemo = Yes or No? |
| 01:32.11 | parigaudi | is that already true for the version that currently ships with the n810? |
| 01:34.00 | GAN800 | parigaudi, this version or the one before. |
| 01:34.04 | lcuk | th3_4zarado, yes please, red for me |
| 01:35.01 | parigaudi | ok thx |
| 01:35.30 | parigaudi | so what do i have to do on the tablet toconnect via usb? |
| 01:35.52 | parigaudi | just select "usb ethernet mode"? |
| 01:36.04 | Andrewfblack | where is stskeeps_ when I need him : ) |
| 01:37.49 | parigaudi | oh wait, is "usb ethernet" mode something where the tablet wants an usb to ethernet converter? |
| 01:38.11 | parigaudi | or is it something where it tells the pc that it is an usb to ethernet converter? |
| 01:40.48 | Macer | wtf. yeah. true blood just took a strange twist |
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| 01:52.07 | mib_fu04ge | how to print the log on the console? |
| 01:52.47 | mib_fu04ge | i use function called g_print,but i can't see the log. |
| 01:53.04 | mib_fu04ge | is there anybody who know about it? |
| 01:53.36 | parigaudi | good nicght all |
| 01:53.51 | LiraNuna | any news on the N900? |
| 01:54.13 | Firebird | mib_fu04ge, the log of what? |
| 01:54.45 | mib_fu04ge | the program |
| 01:54.52 | mib_fu04ge | debug program |
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| 01:55.24 | Firebird | mib_fu04ge, gdb? |
| 01:55.26 | mib_fu04ge | like android function log.d |
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| 01:55.42 | mib_fu04ge | No |
| 01:57.11 | mib_fu04ge | i want to debug a .so file |
| 01:57.11 | mib_fu04ge | it is a input-method plugin |
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| 01:57.39 | mib_fu04ge | Firebird,usually which tool you use to debug |
| 01:57.59 | Firebird | gnu debugger |
| 01:58.04 | mib_fu04ge | Now,i use the Eclipse to devolop |
| 01:58.20 | Firebird | yea, I use Eclipse which uses gdb |
| 01:59.32 | mib_fu04ge | I don't know how to use it in IDE envirenment. |
| 02:00.19 | mib_fu04ge | sorry, environment |
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| 02:01.31 | mib_fu04ge | i build a package in eclipse,but i can't import the package,why? |
| 02:02.33 | chx | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3956 this bugs lead me to think it's possible to irc |
| 02:02.37 | chx | how? |
| 02:02.42 | chx | I googled... |
| 02:02.43 | Firebird | mib_fu04ge, what do you mean by build a package |
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| 02:12.45 | mib_fu04ge | In Eclipse environment,i don't know how to debug plugin. |
| 02:13.21 | mib_fu04ge | i know once i run program in eclipse,it will open debug prospective. |
| 02:13.58 | mib_fu04ge | but when i debug input-method-plugins-example ,it says there is no binery file. |
| 02:13.59 | chx | Please help! I see osso-accounts-plugin-idle here but ... in the Application manager despite having installed the extra.install file its not there |
| 02:14.44 | Firebird | mib_fu04ge, you need to build the source first (ctrl+b) |
| 02:14.54 | mib_fu04ge | The error: there is no binary file and i can't debug with gdb |
| 02:15.47 | mib_fu04ge | You mean i should build a source file like *.c or *.cpp file |
| 02:15.57 | Firebird | yes |
| 02:16.10 | Firebird | you can't debug source code without compiling it |
| 02:16.20 | Firebird | (with gdb) |
| 02:16.58 | mib_fu04ge | i am using the code sample |
| 02:17.25 | mib_fu04ge | hildon-input-method-plugins-example |
| 02:17.37 | mib_fu04ge | i just want to debug it |
| 02:19.17 | Firebird | you still need to build it... |
| 02:19.52 | mib_fu04ge | i get from eclipse using "project from debian repository" |
| 02:20.06 | mib_fu04ge | the example |
| 02:20.15 | Firebird | >_< |
| 02:21.19 | mib_fu04ge | I know the project is a plugin example which generates a .so file in folder binary |
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| 02:25.57 | mib_fu04ge | because i don't know where is the the .deb file in project and i build package using command 'dpkg-build -rfakeroot -b ' |
| 02:27.29 | mib_fu04ge | finally i install it and it works |
| 02:28.06 | mib_fu04ge | but i really want to know how it works and i modify someting to debug it |
| 02:30.59 | mib_fu04ge | I just want to know how to debug plugin project which will generate .so file but bin flile. |
| 02:50.24 | derf | http://www79.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=what+is+best+in+life%3F |
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| 03:40.14 | Macer | ugh.. 3 more minutes |
| 03:40.28 | Macer | and this zero-bit format that this osx install is doing to hte 1TB drive will be done |
| 03:40.42 | Macer | this crap is killing me :) and i bet it doesn't even work |
| 03:41.33 | ShadowJK | zeri-bit format? |
| 03:41.36 | ShadowJK | zero-bit format? |
| 03:41.42 | Macer | yah. |
| 03:41.48 | Macer | trying to install osx on my shuttle k45 |
| 03:42.00 | Macer | with boot 132 and the retail osx dvd |
| 03:42.16 | Macer | the specs are almost the same as a mac mini |
| 03:42.29 | Macer | but for some reason it can partition the drive but couldn't format it |
| 03:42.53 | Macer | i figured maybe win7 had something in an awkward place that was preventing the osx install from formatting it .. i'm sure "zero-bit format" is just a dd wipe of it |
| 03:43.48 | Macer | it's supposed to be some mac crap where it wipes the entire hard drive for security purposes so nothing can be recovered off it .. i guess if you worked at the pentagon and needed to wipe it 24 times to make sure.. the osx install gives you that option :) |
| 03:45.26 | Macer | hm. |
| 03:45.41 | Macer | ugh what a waste of time that was |
| 03:47.11 | Macer | ok.. this is starting to get on my nerves |
| 03:47.54 | Macer | i think it just isn't reading this damn 1TB drive correctly |
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| 03:50.55 | Macer | one last thing and then i try one last thing |
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| 04:16.25 | Mousey | ye godz |
| 04:16.41 | Mousey | the 900 has a SMALLER screen? =/ |
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| 04:21.19 | chx | so we hear |
| 04:21.27 | chx | i cant find anything official |
| 04:26.16 | Mousey | http://mynokiablog.com/2009/05/25/new-nokia-n900-nokias-next-internet-tablet-wipes-the-floor-with-the-nokia-n97/ |
| 04:26.43 | Mousey | why he's comparing it with the n97 escapes me, but whatever. there's a pic |
| 04:27.33 | GAN800 | mockup by a 3rd party. |
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| 04:29.03 | jonrafkind | hi, I just got a nokia770. can anyone tell me what device the d-pad is attached to? there is no /dev/jsX and /dev/input/* don't seem like the right devices |
| 04:31.20 | Mousey | GAN800, "croll down tho |
| 04:31.29 | Mousey | scroll, even |
| 04:31.54 | GAN800 | Mousey, there is no 'pic' |
| 04:32.06 | cmug | http://mynokiablog.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/lowres_nokrover.jpg?w=257&h=222 |
| 04:32.43 | Mousey | huh? i can see it tho, p-ain as day, part of his "update" |
| 04:32.52 | Mousey | plain, even |
| 04:33.05 | GAN800 | Mousey, what OS does it look like that 'pic' is running? |
| 04:33.17 | GAN800 | No, you just think you do. |
| 04:33.57 | Mousey | looks like maemo to me. i don't recognize the theme, or the buttons on the left |
| 04:33.59 | GAN800 | What you really see is a mockup that appears to be running a mashup of OS2007 and OS2008. |
| 04:34.15 | GAN800 | A mockup is not a 'pic' |
| 04:34.21 | Mousey | awfully good mockup |
| 04:34.27 | Mousey | but ok |
| 04:34.45 | GAN800 | and that pressentation is from the Summit |
| 04:34.59 | GAN800 | where the image was most certainly not pressent. |
| 04:35.11 | GAN800 | s/ss/s/g |
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| 04:35.36 | Mousey | k. thats fine by me. i'm not sold on that anyway |
| 04:36.59 | Mousey | gsm radio, smaller screen, think i'll stock up on 810s now that they'll be cheaper |
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| 04:53.37 | chx | Mousey: thats how i got mine |
| 04:54.20 | chx | Mousey: i was eyeing the Maemo devices since the 770 but the state of my wallet and the price of the desired device never met until a week or so ago when buy.com was sellling the N810 for 199. |
| 04:57.59 | mord | whatever happened to maemobox.org? |
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| 09:03.39 | RST38h | Prototype NTT DoCoMo phone turns into a flute and takes your blood |
| 09:05.52 | qwerty12 | Japanese phones are awesome. Only if they didn't use goddamn CDMA. |
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| 09:17.14 | FatBoy | This question is for maemo-mapper. I've searched the forums endlessly, and googled this. Does anybody know where I can download a map tile pack for entire states at a time? |
| 09:17.35 | FatBoy | I found one website, but I have no clue how to import it into maemomapper |
| 09:18.12 | X-Fade | FatBoy: You can specify an area to download in maemo-mapper. |
| 09:18.47 | X-Fade | But beware that if you use a low level and select the whole US, this will be a lot of gigabytes :) |
| 09:19.40 | FatBoy | See I've tried doing that. Whenever I do that in maemo-mapper, that doesn't work. I have to enable auto-download. |
| 09:20.04 | FatBoy | And then, to get the whole state, since my state isn't perfectly square, I have to select a region larger than my state, and I prefer a zoom level of 6, and that puts it at over 2gb |
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| 09:23.51 | RST38h | qwerty: Gaijins report that the phones are actually so buggy that they are pretty much unusuable |
| 09:24.18 | RST38h | qwerty: i.e. most of these new features are basically half-working gimmicks |
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| 09:24.43 | qwerty12 | :( |
| 09:25.15 | minra- | lol #topic |
| 09:25.55 | minra- | what a POS Netgear is. |
| 09:26.45 | minra- | so has the community gotten over their tantrum at the leaked designs? :) |
| 09:26.45 | qwerty12 | Oh, I found that out after I found out that SSH needs patching on the N800 so that it can actually work if using a Netgear router. |
| 09:26.53 | minra- | haha |
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| 09:28.14 | minra- | how you doing old man, qwerty12 |
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| 09:28.51 | qwerty12 | lol, I'm good, thanks, how about you? |
| 09:29.14 | minra- | still floored by my herniated disc |
| 09:29.27 | minra- | n810 is a godsend for that |
| 09:30.16 | minra- | you interested in building any fun&games stuff qwerty12 ? |
| 09:31.44 | qwerty12 | Sorry, I've been assigned the task of making NetworkManager in Mer use HildonBanner instead of libnotify stuff and I've already started the process :/ |
| 09:32.01 | florian | good morning |
| 09:32.11 | qwerty12 | morning florian |
| 09:32.21 | aquatix | qwerty12: ah, good stuff |
| 09:32.59 | aquatix | btw, isn't it an idea to write some converter that acts like libnotify, but uses HildonBanner |
| 09:33.17 | aquatix | saves you on porting :) |
| 09:35.46 | qwerty12 | Dunno how that'd work, myself, you'd probably have to change libnotify directly but I dunno what I'm talking about. :) |
| 09:36.19 | X-Fade | Ok, finally clutter-gtk and clutter-cairo managed to build on the autobuilder. |
| 09:36.30 | stskeeps_ | dear god, canola ui on smartq7 :P |
| 09:36.42 | X-Fade | So now one can create clutter apps for fremantle :) |
| 09:36.49 | Macer | well |
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| 09:36.52 | stskeeps_ | yes, but can you actually use it? :P |
| 09:36.58 | Macer | i gave up on osx on this shuttle k45 |
| 09:37.07 | X-Fade | stskeeps_: Yes, i386 versions now also work. |
| 09:37.08 | Macer | what a total pain it is to get set up on non apple hardware |
| 09:37.20 | Macer | i vouched for opensolaris 2009.6 |
| 09:37.30 | X-Fade | stskeeps_: using mesa instead of the imagination versions. |
| 09:37.30 | stskeeps_ | X-Fade: ah, i meant in terms of HD taking the compositor :) |
| 09:37.37 | Macer | is going to shed himself of the linux disgust :) |
| 09:37.55 | X-Fade | stskeeps_: Ah, well that will be solved. I'm sure of that. |
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| 09:42.14 | stskeeps_ | X-Fade: hehe, i hope so :) |
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| 10:02.48 | rmt | Woo, had about 3 downloads of my image viewing programs. :- |
| 10:02.50 | rmt | :-) |
| 10:02.52 | rmt | Success! |
| 10:03.16 | amr | ooh, whats it called? |
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| 10:05.00 | stskeeps_ | rmt: screenshot? |
| 10:05.08 | rmt | Both work well, but I think that zipview is a good replacement for comics, especially combined with a zenity prompt. I'm using it for all the Garfield comics. One year per zip. |
| 10:05.13 | rmt | pview & zipview |
| 10:05.30 | rmt | stskeeps_, Full screen image app .. not much point. :) |
| 10:05.45 | rmt | Each corner and side does something, with top left quitting. |
| 10:06.06 | stskeeps_ | rmt: ah. :P |
| 10:06.58 | rmt | I should probably introduce automatic rotation into them also.. I preprocess images before putting them on, but others may not. |
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| 10:10.41 | amr | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/digiaatscene/ |
| 10:10.44 | amr | this looks pretty damn cool |
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| 11:21.35 | FatBoy | I have a .osm file I found online, it's maps for my whole state. How would I make that usable for maemo mapper? I've googled it a bit, and found some sort of library to export it to sqlite |
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| 11:29.56 | FatBoy | I have a .osm file I found online, it's maps for my whole state. How would I make that usable for maemo mapper? I've googled it a bit, and found some sort of library to export it to sqlite |
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| 12:11.22 | KayDeeEeJon | hi |
| 12:12.12 | aquatix | drops a vase |
| 12:12.47 | KayDeeEeJon | i got usb networking to work between my pc (gateway) and my n810. web browsing works, but at every page i browse, the connection manager pops up and wants to let me choose a wlan connection (among the closed wlans nearby) |
| 12:13.04 | Stskeeps | grab a dummy icd plugin |
| 12:13.23 | qwerty12_N810 | install the icd dummy plugin and make a new dummy connection |
| 12:13.23 | Stskeeps | (i think) |
| 12:13.55 | KayDeeEeJon | i thought that the dummy icd was no longer needed (at least i was told something like that yesterday evening here) |
| 12:14.07 | KayDeeEeJon | ok thx i'll try it then |
| 12:14.16 | qwerty12_N810 | that person lied :) |
| 12:14.29 | KayDeeEeJon | hehe, or maybe i just misunderstood |
| 12:14.35 | lcuk | yes i saw the person say you didnt need it |
| 12:15.08 | qwerty12_N810 | it's needed in diablo otherwise dummy connections aren't recognised |
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| 12:18.57 | lcuk | <parigaudi> when i try to install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb from maemo repository (diablo), |
| 12:18.57 | lcuk | <parigaudi> my n810 tells me: "incompatible application package" |
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| 12:18.57 | lcuk | <GAN800> dummy is no longer required. |
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| 12:19.36 | lcuk | found it, xchat over vnc is painful |
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| 12:23.07 | lcuk | jeremiah_N810, hi \o since returning (and fixing a data corruption prob..) i have been learning more about the packaging modificaitons you and kees did over the weekend |
| 12:23.58 | lcuk | ive cleaned out the code and understand more now where everything sits (I spent much time learning about autotools - i built from scratch on the device!) |
| 12:25.59 | lcuk | the question i have however is dpkg returns 2 .deb packages, libliqbase1_0.2-dev-1_armel.deb and libliqbase-dev_0.2-dev-1_armel.deb |
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| 12:26.46 | lcuk | i think both have the same contents, where do i look to tell each of the 2 packages what contents they should have |
| 12:26.52 | lcuk | is it something specific for the makefile |
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| 12:28.39 | KayDeeEeJon | thx lcuk. |
| 12:29.19 | KayDeeEeJon | but then the question about the "incompatible application package" is relevant again : what do i do about that? |
| 12:29.48 | KayDeeEeJon | i mean, if i can't install libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb, what do i do to get the dummy connection? |
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| 12:51.22 | lbt | fiferboy: hi... no luck with Qt... I was running mixed releases |
| 12:51.40 | lbt | rebuilding it all at the moment |
| 12:51.58 | fiferboy | lbt: Hi. Are you building from SVN now? |
| 12:52.13 | lbt | from OBS with local patches |
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| 12:52.28 | fiferboy | Is it 4.5.0? |
| 12:52.49 | lbt | qt4-x11_4.5.0-1maemo1mer2 |
| 12:53.23 | fiferboy | Close enough. I use 4.5.0-1maemo2, I think |
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| 12:57.52 | KayDeeEeJon | ok the package does install now. dunno what's different from yesterday |
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| 13:12.51 | KayDeeEeJon | despite installing libicd-network-dummy_0.12_armel.deb and executing the lines suggested by the package, i still don't see any dummy connection for choice in the connection manager |
| 13:12.59 | KayDeeEeJon | anything i did wrong here? |
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| 14:09.02 | dneary | Hi |
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| 14:09.14 | dneary | I just installed the latest beta, and I've been trying to get it working with Xephyr |
| 14:09.24 | dneary | Anyone about who can help me debug? |
| 14:09.52 | dneary | The Xephyr window is black only |
| 14:10.23 | luke-jr | not sure anyone actually develops with Maemo anymore |
| 14:10.24 | dneary | I run af_sb_init.sh with DISPLAY=:1 |
| 14:10.30 | luke-jr | other than maybe Nokia themselves |
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| 14:10.54 | dneary | I get this: |
| 14:10.57 | dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start |
| 14:10.57 | dneary | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs' not found |
| 14:10.57 | dneary | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! |
| 14:10.57 | dneary | Sample files present. |
| 14:10.57 | dneary | DBUS system bus is already running, doing nothing |
| 14:10.58 | dneary | D-BUS session bus daemon is already running, doing nothing |
| 14:11.00 | dneary | Starting Sapwood image server |
| 14:11.02 | dneary | sapwood-server[30404]: GLIB WARNING ** Gdk - cannot open display: |
| 14:11.05 | lcuk | luke-jr, dont underestimate |
| 14:11.06 | dneary | Starting Keyboard |
| 14:11.08 | dneary | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory |
| 14:11.18 | lcuk | dneary, try DISPLAY:=2 |
| 14:11.19 | luke-jr | lcuk: you do? |
| 14:11.24 | dneary | Doesn't look promising :( |
| 14:11.27 | dneary | Thanks lcuk |
| 14:11.29 | lcuk | yeah liqbase doesnt run on mer |
| 14:11.33 | luke-jr | ö |
| 14:11.39 | dneary | luke-jr: lcuk is the developer of liqbase |
| 14:11.40 | lcuk | i think thats what i had before |
| 14:11.46 | luke-jr | dneary: I'm well aware. |
| 14:11.57 | luke-jr | lcuk: but I mean, you develop in Maemo's SDK thing? |
| 14:12.01 | lcuk | and liqbase should be runnable on all OSes for 8x0 :) |
| 14:12.02 | dneary | luke-jr: Given your cynicism I wasn't sure |
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| 14:12.12 | lcuk | lots of folks are happy with diablo and even chinook |
| 14:12.13 | dneary | luke-jr: How else would one develop? |
| 14:12.26 | luke-jr | dneary: Mer's development tools? |
| 14:12.31 | lcuk | luke-jr, i do at the moment for building package but all my source building and testing is on device itself |
| 14:12.41 | luke-jr | dneary: I just build native. |
| 14:12.42 | lcuk | luke-jr, mer does not target fremantle |
| 14:12.46 | dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > export DISPLAY=:2 |
| 14:12.46 | dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > af-sb-init.sh start |
| 14:12.47 | dneary | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/matchbox.defs' not found |
| 14:12.47 | dneary | Note: For remote X connections DISPLAY should contain hostname! |
| 14:12.47 | dneary | Sample files present. |
| 14:12.47 | Stskeeps | dneary: there's a fix for Xephyr afaik |
| 14:12.47 | dneary | DBUS system bus is already running, doing nothing |
| 14:12.49 | dneary | D-BUS session bus daemon is already running, doing nothing |
| 14:12.51 | dneary | Starting Sapwood image server |
| 14:12.53 | dneary | sapwood-server[30537]: GLIB INFO default - server started |
| 14:12.55 | dneary | Starting Keyboard |
| 14:12.57 | dneary | /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh: line 92: /usr/bin/hildon-input-method: No such file or directory |
| 14:13.02 | woglinde | args |
| 14:13.04 | dneary | Stskeeps: I heard that Xephyr crashed with fremantle |
| 14:13.04 | woglinde | pastebin |
| 14:13.14 | Stskeeps | dneary: yeah, hence a fix is needed :P |
| 14:13.21 | dneary | didn't know it didn't work at all |
| 14:13.30 | dneary | woglinde: pastebin? |
| 14:13.55 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 14:13.56 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
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| 14:14.41 | lcuk | dneary, couldnt you get onto a batphone and try internal debugging? |
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| 14:18.45 | dneary | lcuk: batphone? |
| 14:18.53 | dneary | Do I look like commissioner gordon? |
| 14:19.22 | lcuk | well, now you mention it... its either that or we start calling you robin :p |
| 14:19.31 | woglinde | lol |
| 14:19.33 | dneary | I have no batphone |
| 14:19.41 | dneary | No more than you (maybe less so) |
| 14:20.16 | dneary | So - how do you know if Xephyr's working right? :) |
| 14:20.23 | GAN800 | Lies! |
| 14:20.35 | GAN800 | dneary has a Rover. I'm sure of it. |
| 14:20.53 | dneary | I'm guessing that "/usr/bin/hildon-input-method" being missing is bad, right? |
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| 14:21.10 | dneary | GAN800: I do have a Beagle Board tyhat I bought myself |
| 14:21.19 | dneary | Not sure what I'm going to do with it though |
| 14:21.24 | Stskeeps | dneary: not really, it isn't needed for the desktop to run |
| 14:21.26 | GAN800 | carputer |
| 14:21.58 | dneary | GAn800: There's a GPS in there? |
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| 14:24.26 | GAN800 | dneary, nah, but Bluetooth ones are cheap and so much better than the built-in N810 one. |
| 14:24.37 | lcuk | heh dneary, you gotta have more than me :P |
| 14:25.12 | dneary | lcuk: Not certain - I don't know a huge number of Maemo developers in Nokia |
| 14:25.26 | dneary | GAN800: Do you recommend a good bluetooth GPS? |
| 14:26.06 | GAN800 | Anything MTK based. i-Blue 737, 747, or 757 are my favorites (plain, logging, and solar). |
| 14:26.08 | lcuk | theres a need to sit down with them at the island retreat and eat bacon and drink beer |
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| 14:30.48 | KayDeeEeJon | you can buy a matching island at vladi.de |
| 14:31.29 | KayDeeEeJon | for a couple million bucks |
| 14:34.11 | andre__ | KayDeeEeJon, but who cares? |
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| 14:35.28 | GAN800 | 'morning, sjgadsby. :) |
| 14:35.48 | Stskeeps | when was that council meeting again? :P |
| 14:36.13 | KayDeeEeJon | andre: lcuk wrote about sitting down at the island retreat, and i found that site with its million bucks prices just funny. |
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| 14:36.17 | sjgadsby | Good morning, GAN800. |
| 14:36.47 | andre__ | KayDeeEeJon, ah. okay, missed the background :) |
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| 14:38.21 | Stskeeps | idea for battery meter.. battery capacity on left, right side has a line which shows tendancy of how much battery is being used, so thus more steep it is, the more battery it uses |
| 14:39.00 | Stskeeps | so you can see when you're really burning battery |
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| 14:49.23 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, monday at 1330 |
| 14:49.56 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, what about colors? Or transparency? |
| 14:50.03 | Stskeeps | or that |
| 14:50.18 | Stskeeps | some kind of visual indicator of how fast you're burning battery would definately be good |
| 14:51.28 | sjgadsby | I like the idea, Stskeeps, though I'm reminded of the old saying, "Nothing hurts performance like a performance monitor." |
| 14:51.49 | Stskeeps | true |
| 14:52.03 | Pustelnik | +â cokolwiek |
| 14:52.07 | lcuk | a performance monitor that actively pushes its display every 1ms isnt good |
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| 14:52.23 | lcuk | but have a nice flashy one that is just a part of the envionment and its ok |
| 14:53.30 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind a per-process one |
| 14:53.50 | lcuk | is the info available? |
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| 14:58.31 | dneary | lcuk: Figured it out |
| 14:58.41 | dneary | Apparently I don't have nokia-binaries installed |
| 14:59.10 | dneary | I thought it was installed if I installed "Runtime + all dev packages" |
| 14:59.18 | GAN800 | Stskeeps, what metrics would it use? |
| 14:59.40 | Stskeeps | GAN800: dunno, "how much this app will eat of your battery per hour?" :P |
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| 15:00.56 | dneary | Stskeeps: It could be like the CPU temperature monitor |
| 15:01.04 | dneary | Would be cool |
| 15:01.39 | dneary | A more accurate "time left on battery at current consumption" would be nice |
| 15:02.12 | Stskeeps | i would really just like a indication i'm using the tablet in a manner that will empty my battery quickly |
| 15:02.40 | Macer | opensolaris is kind of a bitch to use as a desktop still |
| 15:02.55 | Stskeeps | i wouldn't use it as a desktop, personally |
| 15:03.05 | Macer | i am right now |
| 15:03.16 | Macer | i've ironed out most of the bugs minus the inability to print on my networked printer |
| 15:04.00 | Macer | i thought it was odd they use gnome and their media player defaults its codec downloads from a commercial site charging for like... xvid decoders and other dumb shit like that |
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| 15:04.35 | Macer | totem opens some codec downloading extorting page where they try to charge you for codecs you can get for free legally |
| 15:04.48 | Macer | like an mp4 codec :-\ i don't get it |
| 15:05.20 | Stskeeps | there's licensing fees on things you know |
| 15:05.34 | Macer | is there? |
| 15:05.59 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:06.06 | Stskeeps | especially in countries with software patents : |
| 15:06.07 | Stskeeps | P |
| 15:06.31 | Stskeeps | we actually have a funky problem with mer about that, - we can't legally support mp3 oob |
| 15:06.51 | Macer | that doesn't make sense. using linux you can get codecs to play these things fairly easily |
| 15:07.13 | Macer | why isn't mplayer being stalked? :) |
| 15:07.14 | sjgadsby | Easy != legal |
| 15:07.27 | Macer | xine is another one |
| 15:07.48 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: why not ask fluendo for a redistribution license for their licensed mp3 plugin? |
| 15:07.54 | Macer | i doubt anybody would sit down if they are losing out on so much over a patent |
| 15:07.56 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: they give it away free |
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| 15:08.35 | Macer | is there a lic fee for xvid? :) |
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| 15:08.42 | Macer | isn't that supposed to be the open one? |
| 15:10.35 | Stskeeps | Robot101: hmm, maybe |
| 15:12.48 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: it wouldn't be on the DSP, but it'd give you something with MP3 out of the box at least |
| 15:13.41 | Stskeeps | well, my view would be on all platforms i guess |
| 15:14.09 | lcuk | giving something away for free money wise might still have strings |
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| 15:14.49 | lcuk | dneary - doh! |
| 15:15.11 | dneary | And now, I've tried installing the whole shebang, and it doesn't do it :( |
| 15:15.12 | lcuk | there was someone talking to kotczarny this morning about battery stuffs |
| 15:15.27 | dneary | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:15.27 | dneary | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.27 | dneary | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.33 | lcuk | ive spent best part of 3 days trying to get a single package out of mine |
| 15:15.41 | lcuk | ive had fist fights with gnu |
| 15:21.24 | fiferboy | qwerty12: Thanks for the patch |
| 15:23.00 | qwerty12 | oh, hi fiferboy, no problem, I needed it after having timezone & NTPD problems (LSBC worked awesomely for being able to see when the time had been set wrong) :) |
| 15:23.28 | fiferboy | So you're a C coder now? |
| 15:23.48 | qwerty12 | Oh, certainly not. I've just picked up tricks :) |
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| 15:27.21 | piotre | Hello, i want to encode from mic to mp3 using gstreamer and lame. but i dont get the gstreamer-plugins-ugly package. Any suggestions? |
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| 15:38.18 | Stskeeps | andre__: \o/ on 4560 |
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| 15:39.28 | andre__ | Stskeeps, the second part is in progress too, but is a bit more complicated |
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| 15:40.19 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 15:40.27 | Stskeeps | at least i'm happy to see they got the point |
| 15:41.04 | Stskeeps | we discussed it a bit at the hw meeting so |
| 15:41.19 | andre__ | well, your initial report was just great and exactly explaining the issues plus the advantages for nokia |
| 15:41.29 | andre__ | so it's your fault that they got the point ;-)) |
| 15:41.44 | luke-jr | what point? |
| 15:42.13 | andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4560 |
| 15:42.55 | GAN800 | dneary, the problem with the 'remaining' number is that most people don't really know how to use it. |
| 15:43.14 | dneary | GAN800: Agreed. |
| 15:43.33 | luke-jr | "understandably closed source" is an oxymoron |
| 15:43.40 | GAN800 | A 'you're using a lot of power' indicator forces them to think about what it means. |
| 15:43.51 | dneary | But "less than one hour" doesn't tell me if it's 30 minutes (so I can finish the email I'm writing) or 3 minutes (so I'll save my work & finish later) |
| 15:43.59 | andre__ | luke-jr, no |
| 15:44.26 | GAN800 | dneary, yeah, that's stupid. A percentage is more useful. |
| 15:44.51 | GAN800 | andre__, trollin', trollin', trollin'. ;) |
| 15:45.48 | andre__ | GAN800, just a little bit, pleeeease! :-P |
| 15:46.36 | dneary | Have a nice weekend all |
| 15:47.16 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: we wouldn't complain so much about GPS driver if there was proper seperation between TI IPR and gpsdriver :P |
| 15:48.02 | Stskeeps | and that's what i'm encouraging, if there's dbus or link protocols between things, open source the API and we can do the rest :P |
| 15:48.08 | Stskeeps | like, replace clockd, for instance |
| 15:48.37 | piotre | Hello, i want to encode from mic to mp3 using gstreamer and lame. but i dont get the gstreamer-plugins-ugly package. Any suggestions? |
| 15:49.01 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: correct, but my complaint would be less because reverse engineering would become easier ;) |
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| 15:50.29 | Stskeeps | wb timeless_mbp |
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| 15:52.48 | Stskeeps | Robot101: the question is obviously if fluendo compiles their mp3 codec for arm too :) |
| 15:52.50 | dneary | back for more punishment |
| 15:53.10 | dneary | Anyone here managed to get a working fremantle beta in scratchbox at all? |
| 15:53.13 | Robot101 | Stskeeps: I'm pretty sure they can do, yes |
| 15:53.20 | dneary | I'm playing "chase the package" |
| 15:53.40 | dneary | apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev: maemo-sdk-dev: Depends: hildon-application-framework-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:53.57 | Stskeeps | did you add nokia-binaries? |
| 15:53.57 | fiferboy | dneary: I have it working |
| 15:54.05 | dneary | apt-get install hildon-application-framework-dev: hildon-application-framework-dev: Depends: libmatchbox2-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:54.39 | dneary | apt-get install libmatchbox2-dev: libmatchbox2-dev: Depends: libmatchbox2 (= 0.2.32-1+0m5) but it is not going to be installed/ Depends: libclutter-0.8-dev but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:55.02 | Stskeeps | it smells a bit of no nokia-binaries repository? |
| 15:55.05 | dneary | apt-get install libmatchbox2: libmatchbox2: Depends: libclutter-0.8-0 but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:55.15 | dneary | Stskeeps: I fixed that, normally |
| 15:55.22 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:55.29 | Stskeeps | and apt-get update'd i guess? :P |
| 15:55.34 | dneary | This all happened when running maemo-sdk-install_5.0beta.sh |
| 15:55.40 | dneary | Yeah |
| 15:55.49 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: does Mer use aptitude, I hope? |
| 15:56.03 | dneary | Although I'm not convinced I got actual binaries - I did run the script |
| 15:56.23 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: either or |
| 15:56.43 | Stskeeps | dneary: and you agreed to the EULA and got the token repositories? |
| 15:56.50 | dneary | apt-get install libclutter-0.8-0: Depends: libgles2-sgx-img but it is not installable or libgles2 but it is not installable |
| 15:56.56 | dneary | "I accept" |
| 15:57.25 | dneary | And they don't have any installation candidates |
| 15:57.52 | dneary | Stskeeps: Output: |
| 15:57.55 | dneary | Nokia binaries repository has now been extracted to a directory under |
| 15:57.55 | dneary | your scratchbox home path. Add the following line to maemo 4.1.1 diablo |
| 15:57.55 | dneary | scratchbox targets' /etc/apt/sources.list files to make the repository |
| 15:57.55 | dneary | visible to Debian apt tools: |
| 15:57.55 | dneary | deb file:/home/dneary/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.1.1 diablo explicit |
| 15:57.56 | dneary | Run 'apt-get update' inside scratchbox to read package index files. |
| 15:58.09 | Stskeeps | nah, that's not the one |
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| 15:58.23 | dneary | ok |
| 15:58.30 | dneary | Looks like summat broke |
| 15:58.42 | Stskeeps | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php |
| 15:58.43 | Stskeeps | this one |
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| 15:59.03 | Stskeeps | it will have libgles2-sgx-img and so on |
| 15:59.07 | dneary | Stskeeps: I have to download something other than the SDK? |
| 15:59.09 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: hey |
| 15:59.13 | timeless_mbp | sorry, week's over |
| 15:59.16 | Stskeeps | dneary: welcome to the brave new world |
| 15:59.18 | timeless_mbp | will be in London next week |
| 15:59.25 | Stskeeps | timeless_mbp: hehe, have a good trip :) |
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| 16:01.14 | KayDeeEeJon | is there a way to have a completion in maemo's terminal (like tab-completion, just that i don't see a tab key)? |
| 16:01.30 | Stskeeps | maemo's terminal has tab, afaik |
| 16:01.59 | KayDeeEeJon | oh right, see it now |
| 16:02.07 | dneary | Stskeeps: I didn't see that documented anywhere |
| 16:02.19 | KayDeeEeJon | not as a key but as a thing to click on |
| 16:04.17 | KayDeeEeJon | thx |
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| 16:07.32 | KayDeeEeJon | i'd like to install the nokia handwriting calculator, but the link to the install file on |
| 16:07.36 | KayDeeEeJon | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/handwriting calculator/ |
| 16:07.59 | KayDeeEeJon | leads me to a (c)rapidshare web page |
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| 16:08.43 | KayDeeEeJon | is it installable with apt-get? if so, under what name? |
| 16:09.03 | luke-jr | an IT man's wife asks him: Buy the eggs and if there are cucumbers - take 10. the guy goes to the shop and asks: - Do you have cucumbers? - Yes, we do. - Then 10 eggs please. ⺠|
| 16:09.23 | woglinde | *g* |
| 16:09.27 | KayDeeEeJon | lol |
| 16:10.07 | KayDeeEeJon | odd though that she would ask for 10 cucumbers |
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| 16:10.17 | KayDeeEeJon | i'd rather have expected this: |
| 16:10.40 | woglinde | bye |
| 16:10.51 | KayDeeEeJon | an IT man's wife asks him: Buy the cucumbers and if there are eggs - take 10. the guy goes to the shop and asks: - Do you have eggs? - Yes, we do. - Then 10 cucumbers please. |
| 16:11.48 | woglinde | hm right |
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| 16:23.04 | jeremiah_N810 | lcuk: Ah cool. Good to hear. I hope we didn't break anything. :) |
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| 16:45.07 | *** topic/#maemo by timsamoff -> Welcome to #maemo | http://maemo.org | Public Maemo Community Council Meeting, Monday, 8 June 2009, 13:30 UTC | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Warning: #maemo is perilous for your job. |
| 16:46.35 | GAN800 | Hi, Tim. |
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| 16:47.29 | timsamoff | Hello! |
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| 16:58.12 | lcuk | jeremiah_torp, nothing broken, and the assistance you two gave has helped put stuff into context |
| 16:59.06 | lcuk | has seen so much scrolly building code this week it made my eyes hurt |
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| 17:02.48 | janim | evening all |
| 17:03.09 | janim | ups sorry, wrong channel but evening all stil =) |
| 17:05.01 | lcuk | janim, maemo isnt the wrong channel |
| 17:05.19 | luke-jr | just the wrong OS |
| 17:05.52 | lcuk | chinook is used by lots of folks still, and diablo is extremely stable |
| 17:06.01 | janim | lcuk: nope, it aint. but it broke my habbit of just being a lurker |
| 17:06.05 | lcuk | theres some bugs that some folks notice but lots dont |
| 17:06.23 | zakkm | diablo is awesome! :D |
| 17:06.28 | lcuk | damn janim, you are aware now you have to speak at least a few times a day |
| 17:06.37 | lcuk | yeah zakkm its the only place where liqbase will run lol |
| 17:07.00 | zakkm | lcuk: you should know last night i used liqbase to read 7,905 word "novel" |
| 17:07.04 | zakkm | soo nice to read |
| 17:07.05 | lcuk | ahhh speaking of which - you called into the chan at about 5am the other mornin and asked for me |
| 17:07.05 | janim | damn! |
| 17:07.20 | lcuk | zakkm, its wonderful to read with |
| 17:07.23 | zakkm | yeah sorry i didnt realize timezone change |
| 17:07.34 | zakkm | yeah i lie in bed and read it, still have trouble holding the tablet though |
| 17:07.37 | zakkm | how do you do it? |
| 17:07.39 | lcuk | i am working as fast as i can to bring the apps themselves from original liqbase into the framework :) |
| 17:07.49 | lcuk | i use a wooden crate |
| 17:07.57 | zakkm | im thinking of getting something to hang from my ceiling, like a piece of string and hanging it |
| 17:08.08 | lcuk | before i had that i wedge a towel through the stand and hold the towel |
| 17:08.33 | lcuk | i used to hold my pda between index and ring finger |
| 17:08.41 | lcuk | and use tiny knuckle motion to move pages |
| 17:08.41 | zakkm | i started to use my stomach and then put stand up and then put it on my stomach and read, but that got quite hard after awhile |
| 17:08.45 | lcuk | misses his loox |
| 17:08.59 | Macer | i think opensolaris sucks as a desktop |
| 17:09.10 | zakkm | osx is the only true desktop ;D |
| 17:09.20 | zakkm | nothing comes close :P |
| 17:09.34 | Macer | lol |
| 17:09.34 | jjo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.43 | Macer | tried to get osx on my shuttle |
| 17:09.54 | zakkm | what mobo is in it? |
| 17:09.56 | Macer | couldnt get the onboard nic working |
| 17:10.04 | zakkm | what chipset is the onboard nic? |
| 17:10.14 | Macer | marvell yukon2 |
| 17:10.19 | Macer | ...56 |
| 17:10.25 | zakkm | the marvell's suck with support |
| 17:10.34 | Macer | i noticed ;) |
| 17:10.36 | lcuk | jjo, do you read with handhelds, or are you still a dead tree reader? |
| 17:10.43 | zakkm | 88E8040? |
| 17:10.52 | jjo | lcuk: dead tree |
| 17:10.57 | Macer | 80556 |
| 17:11.12 | lcuk | is that because you havent looked or simply because you work with em for too long |
| 17:11.14 | fiferboy | lbt: Major break-through in the speed department (for overshoot) |
| 17:11.16 | zakkm | someone just got the yukon 2 8040 workin ;p |
| 17:11.47 | zakkm | could try that one? |
| 17:11.56 | Macer | zakkm: i did haha |
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| 17:11.59 | lcuk | zakkm, this is the crate my 810 sits in |
| 17:12.00 | lcuk | http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7308/810crateinkx8.jpg |
| 17:12.03 | jjo | lcuk: I haven't really looked, haven't felt the need |
| 17:12.08 | Macer | and i just didnt have it in me to use a card |
| 17:12.16 | lcuk | it rests perfectly on my belly when im reading a book in fb |
| 17:12.18 | zakkm | Macer: you could always get a cheap $2 NIC and stick that in the shuttle in pci slot? |
| 17:12.30 | Macer | ^ |
| 17:12.37 | zakkm | lcuk: a whole wooden piece? |
| 17:12.43 | zakkm | oh wow n810 |
| 17:12.44 | lcuk | yeah zakkm |
| 17:12.53 | lcuk | multi purpose tho :) |
| 17:12.59 | zakkm | thats so stupid there should be something better |
| 17:13.09 | lcuk | it sits at 45degrees between my keyboard and monitor |
| 17:13.15 | lcuk | i just drop 810 in it and its always there |
| 17:13.19 | zakkm | i spent like the last two nights trying to find the best position to hold it / leave it somewhere |
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| 17:13.35 | lcuk | http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=810cratelaptopmodetc6.jpg |
| 17:13.49 | zakkm | wow i want to do thatt |
| 17:13.53 | zakkm | i awnt that keyboard hah |
| 17:13.55 | Macer | zakkm: it wasnt worth the hassle |
| 17:14.03 | zakkm | ohh is the n810 inside the wooden thing? |
| 17:14.05 | lcuk | http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/8233/810crateanglexe7.jpg |
| 17:14.06 | lcuk | yeah |
| 17:14.10 | Macer | i will just get a g5 or something |
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| 17:14.18 | lcuk | and i can rest my wrist on the wooden side and write naturally |
| 17:14.21 | zakkm | Macer: $2 NIC isnt worth it? |
| 17:14.22 | Macer | but osol has to go on the shuttle |
| 17:14.29 | luke-jr | zakkm: you really don't |
| 17:14.33 | Macer | osx isnt worth the nic ;) |
| 17:14.36 | zakkm | you could also use that kext, and change the vendor id/device id to yours |
| 17:14.37 | Macer | i have a mb |
| 17:14.39 | zakkm | of course it is |
| 17:14.49 | Macer | i tried that |
| 17:14.55 | Macer | still didnt work |
| 17:14.56 | zakkm | lcuk: hows the apple keyboard? |
| 17:15.01 | zakkm | i was thinking ofgetting that for my n800 |
| 17:15.09 | lcuk | its wonderful |
| 17:15.17 | lcuk | but i havent used it since i got back from the summit |
| 17:15.19 | lcuk | we had a falling out |
| 17:15.23 | zakkm | hah |
| 17:15.25 | zakkm | what happened? |
| 17:15.33 | lcuk | it was in my bag |
| 17:15.38 | lcuk | and it was pressing enter |
| 17:15.43 | lcuk | whilst i was trying to give presentation |
| 17:15.47 | lcuk | \@ |
| 17:15.52 | zakkm | heh |
| 17:15.55 | zakkm | didnt you unpair it? |
| 17:16.00 | zakkm | turn off bluetooth on nokia? |
| 17:16.08 | lcuk | i was in the middle of coding with it before the presentation |
| 17:16.18 | lcuk | i got up shoved kb in bag and went presenting |
| 17:16.28 | zakkm | heh |
| 17:16.34 | zakkm | do you have a video of it? :P |
| 17:16.45 | lcuk | liqbase.net the vimeo one |
| 17:16.51 | lcuk | me wondering why it didnt work \@ |
| 17:17.07 | lcuk | only a little bit broken thankfully |
| 17:17.19 | lcuk | it seems like such a long time ago :) |
| 17:17.26 | lcuk | im so pleased with the way my code is looking |
| 17:17.31 | lcuk | even though im about 10 paces back |
| 17:17.43 | Macer | i guess i will put kubuntu on it |
| 17:17.54 | Macer | i like kde way more than gnome |
| 17:18.10 | zakkm | Macer: eww kubuntu? |
| 17:18.16 | zakkm | they totally did rubbish with kde |
| 17:18.19 | lcuk | prefers the window manager in XP |
| 17:18.26 | bobpaul | say... I've been out of it for 9 mo or so... what's the status of video chat between desktop and n8x0? still just with gizmo? |
| 17:18.29 | lcuk | i wish microsoft would release it for linux |
| 17:18.29 | Macer | kwin is nicer |
| 17:18.32 | zakkm | *prefers osx, and is neve rleaving it* |
| 17:18.37 | Macer | than gnome + compiz |
| 17:18.48 | zakkm | bobpaul: yup :) |
| 17:19.02 | zakkm | bobpaul: i think ppl gavea up on video |
| 17:19.22 | lcuk | no they didnt! |
| 17:19.22 | lcuk | i only found it a while ago |
| 17:19.22 | zakkm | lcuk: that didnt last long at all, or did i miss it |
| 17:19.23 | lcuk | its great! |
| 17:19.27 | Macer | zakkm: osx is ok. there are just wacky things it does |
| 17:19.33 | zakkm | like what? |
| 17:19.34 | lcuk | zakkm, what - the bug? |
| 17:19.42 | Macer | like forking hfs+ metadata over smb and nfs |
| 17:19.44 | zakkm | the keyboard thing |
| 17:19.52 | lcuk | it was pressing enter the whole time |
| 17:19.59 | Macer | into ._foo files |
| 17:20.03 | lcuk | its only stars that quits on any key |
| 17:20.07 | zakkm | Macer: heh in a few days snow leopard will get shown with ZFS support.. |
| 17:20.11 | lcuk | but stars used to be my benchmark |
| 17:20.13 | zakkm | hfs+ will be no more |
| 17:20.18 | lcuk | i could tell what cpu mode it was in |
| 17:20.25 | Macer | wow really? |
| 17:20.26 | lcuk | and so it not showing threw me |
| 17:20.33 | Macer | they lic it from sun? |
| 17:20.39 | zakkm | no |
| 17:20.44 | zakkm | they license it ;p |
| 17:20.55 | Macer | apple owns zfs? |
| 17:20.59 | zakkm | no |
| 17:21.03 | zakkm | royalties and such? |
| 17:21.04 | Macer | wtf? |
| 17:21.08 | Macer | yes |
| 17:21.09 | zakkm | paying sun to use it? |
| 17:21.12 | Macer | yah |
| 17:21.16 | Macer | i would guess |
| 17:21.40 | Macer | thank God. hfs+ was a stupid choice of fs |
| 17:21.43 | zakkm | but yeah it has zfs support now, in leopard .. just not for initial filesystem |
| 17:21.59 | Macer | wtf? =) |
| 17:22.05 | zakkm | system filesystem couldnt be zfs.. but mac could always read/write to zfs |
| 17:22.15 | Macer | that sucks |
| 17:22.20 | Macer | zfs? |
| 17:22.30 | zakkm | but nextt version of mac that gets shown in 3 days / leaked.. w.e will have system zfs support |
| 17:22.34 | Macer | you sure youre not thinking ufs? |
| 17:22.38 | zakkm | yess -.- |
| 17:22.39 | zakkm | onesec |
| 17:22.53 | zakkm | im not a idiot |
| 17:22.57 | Macer | lol |
| 17:23.03 | zakkm | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mac-OS-X-Snow-Leopard-Server-to-Get-Full-ZFS-Support-104112.shtml |
| 17:23.21 | Macer | so many filesystems i dont remember osx having zfs support |
| 17:23.26 | zakkm | http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/filesystem.html |
| 17:23.36 | zakkm | whatever im not googling anymore |
| 17:23.44 | zakkm | i know the has this and doesnt have this |
| 17:23.57 | zakkm | i been using computers my whole life |
| 17:23.57 | Macer | wow |
| 17:24.13 | Macer | now if only they could get the wm to suck a little less |
| 17:24.21 | zakkm | thers nothing wrong with it |
| 17:24.31 | Macer | they are totally ditching the ppc stuff too right? |
| 17:24.35 | zakkm | yeah |
| 17:24.39 | zakkm | no more ppc support |
| 17:24.45 | zakkm | well |
| 17:24.49 | zakkm | we'd know forsurein 3 days |
| 17:24.56 | zakkm | wwdc is in 3 days |
| 17:24.56 | Macer | zakkm: i needed a 3rd party app to keep my mb on while the lid was closed |
| 17:25.12 | zakkm | for osx? |
| 17:25.27 | Macer | ever try to change your desktop font color? |
| 17:25.29 | Macer | =) |
| 17:25.33 | zakkm | i use calibri |
| 17:25.35 | zakkm | want a screenie? |
| 17:25.35 | Macer | yes ... osx |
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| 17:25.46 | zakkm | want a screenie? |
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| 17:25.53 | Macer | did you have to pay for it? |
| 17:25.57 | Macer | heh |
| 17:26.01 | zakkm | font change? |
| 17:26.01 | zakkm | no |
| 17:26.29 | zakkm | onesec uploadin |
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| 17:26.38 | Macer | my gripe was that these sort of things werent included in the wm itself |
| 17:26.54 | Macer | bbl |
| 17:26.58 | zakkm | calibri is very nice |
| 17:26.59 | zakkm | wait macer ;p |
| 17:27.40 | zakkm | lcuk: very nice presentation ;p |
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| 17:27.55 | zakkm | http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6088/picture2kzt.jpg osx screenie in all its glory :P |
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| 17:28.48 | zakkm | Macer: ^ |
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| 17:32.07 | cmug | zakkm, how do you get the mp3 info to the top like that |
| 17:32.22 | zakkm | bowtie + theme, would you like linked? |
| 17:32.25 | zakkm | cmug: ^ |
| 17:32.33 | zakkm | its itunes btw. |
| 17:34.45 | lopz | hola |
| 17:35.02 | zakkm | hi lopz |
| 17:35.42 | lopz | heya zakkm |
| 17:35.43 | Macer | copying in android is kinda hard |
| 17:36.00 | zakkm | Macer: did you see the screenie? |
| 17:37.42 | Macer | yeah. thats pretty nice |
| 17:38.00 | zakkm | i know eh :) |
| 17:38.03 | Macer | realtek works? |
| 17:38.08 | zakkm | realtek? |
| 17:38.10 | Macer | 8139 |
| 17:38.13 | zakkm | yeah i got a realtek 1000 chip |
| 17:38.15 | RST38h | moo all |
| 17:38.16 | zakkm | ah yeah perfectly |
| 17:38.17 | zakkm | builtin |
| 17:38.24 | zakkm | the mac minis use that i believe |
| 17:38.25 | Macer | oh. i have a card |
| 17:38.38 | Macer | i will drop it in and try again |
| 17:38.41 | zakkm | you may need a driver depending, but its just a simple kext install |
| 17:38.50 | zakkm | depending on the particular card |
| 17:39.02 | zakkm | Macer: boot with -f -v |
| 17:39.15 | Macer | thats what i thought about the marvell |
| 17:39.17 | Macer | ;) |
| 17:39.32 | Macer | using boot 132? |
| 17:39.32 | zakkm | nah nah |
| 17:39.38 | zakkm | i use chameleon |
| 17:39.54 | Macer | do you choose large for the hd type? |
| 17:40.00 | zakkm | Macer: 100% support, never needed to install a kext |
| 17:40.07 | zakkm | large? |
| 17:40.10 | Macer | in the normal bios? |
| 17:40.15 | zakkm | i left it auto |
| 17:40.21 | zakkm | i installed with guid though, not mbr |
| 17:40.24 | Macer | when i installed chameleon i got an error |
| 17:40.29 | Macer | me too |
| 17:40.48 | Macer | got hfs+ and some other stuff and had to keep booting with the disc |
| 17:40.56 | zakkm | ew |
| 17:40.58 | Macer | error 15 or something |
| 17:41.08 | zakkm | come back and pm me, we really shouldnt channel chat this stuff hah |
| 17:41.25 | Macer | haha. ok. i will see if youre around later |
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| 17:41.35 | Macer | but i will try the realtek |
| 17:41.38 | zakkm | when you do it , pm me |
| 17:41.51 | Macer | sure. thanks |
| 17:41.51 | zakkm | seriously sweet scrennie eh? |
| 17:41.54 | zakkm | i work hard skinning :) |
| 17:41.55 | Macer | yah |
| 17:41.58 | zakkm | its a weird hobby of mine |
| 17:42.05 | Macer | that is pretty awesome |
| 17:42.08 | zakkm | i have a better wallpaper that works, but its not dark and at night i like dark |
| 17:42.11 | zakkm | its a 22" WS monitor |
| 17:42.11 | Macer | i like your menu bar |
| 17:42.18 | zakkm | yeah i preferit black |
| 17:42.25 | Macer | me too ;) |
| 17:42.28 | zakkm | and calibri for soem reason gives me soo much more menu bar space |
| 17:42.35 | Macer | haha |
| 17:42.43 | Macer | i will msg you when i get a chance |
| 17:42.50 | Macer | watching my son now |
| 17:42.57 | zakkm | wow |
| 17:43.02 | zakkm | feels young :) |
| 17:43.06 | Macer | lol |
| 17:43.13 | Macer | he's 3 :-P |
| 17:43.22 | Macer | im only 29 damnit! |
| 17:43.25 | Macer | =) |
| 17:43.34 | lcuk | "only" |
| 17:43.40 | Macer | blah! |
| 17:43.48 | Macer | bbl ;) |
| 17:43.49 | lcuk | is older |
| 17:44.02 | lcuk | but beyond a certain age you can get away with forgetting exactly how old |
| 17:44.02 | Razumihin | Internets are getting old :( |
| 17:44.14 | zakkm | 18 <-- age |
| 17:45.55 | Razumihin | It would be nice to know how the median age of irc users has varied over time. |
| 17:47.30 | jeremiah_torp | Has anyone installed the SDK+? |
| 17:47.35 | jeremiah_torp | It is flaking out on my |
| 17:47.39 | jeremiah_torp | machine |
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| 17:48.03 | jeremiah_torp | \c |
| 17:50.00 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 17:50.59 | jeremiah_torp | Hey Jaffa, moo RST38h |
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| 17:54.22 | Macer | zakkm: stop while youre young! |
| 17:54.34 | Macer | hurry up and get outside |
| 17:54.35 | zakkm | stop growing? |
| 17:54.37 | zakkm | lol |
| 17:54.45 | zakkm | i have like 6 different plans today with 6 different ppl |
| 17:54.55 | zakkm | im so busy with plans i have to cancel alot |
| 17:55.05 | Macer | good! =) |
| 17:55.14 | zakkm | lol |
| 17:55.40 | Macer | just remember that irc is just a bunch of scrolling text people |
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| 17:55.52 | Macer | like fight club single serving friends |
| 17:55.54 | zakkm | 2 malls with different ppl, tim hortons ( coffee, donut and such / chilling ) , nephews soccer game, going to friends house promised him ill give him my old harddrive cause his current 14gb got full and i got a extra 160gb, |
| 17:56.10 | zakkm | going to library to study with another friend |
| 17:56.17 | Macer | 14GB? |
| 17:56.21 | Macer | wtf? |
| 17:56.25 | zakkm | yeah |
| 17:56.29 | Macer | wow |
| 17:56.30 | zakkm | he has a old p3 1ghz |
| 17:56.35 | Macer | ouch =) |
| 17:56.40 | Macer | cruel world |
| 17:56.41 | zakkm | hes so full , and i got my old 160gb just sitting in my room |
| 17:56.44 | zakkm | well hes not tech savvy at all |
| 17:56.51 | zakkm | its just for school/ a bit of music |
| 17:57.01 | zakkm | its not like a huge multimedia gaming computer |
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| 17:57.16 | Macer | i'd hope not! haha |
| 17:57.29 | Macer | "checj this doom game out dude!" |
| 17:57.54 | zakkm | well he plays risk but thats only like 60mb, and thats his whole compute rgames |
| 17:58.02 | zakkm | but yeah its full and i figure ahh 160gb |
| 17:58.09 | zakkm | but yeah i go out and such |
| 17:58.24 | qwerty12_N810 | be fair. quake 2 ran on my 733MHZ P3 :P |
| 17:58.45 | Macer | hahahaha |
| 17:59.03 | zakkm | hes saving up for a lappy for university |
| 17:59.13 | zakkm | going to ottawa ( canada's capital ) for uni |
| 17:59.16 | Macer | zakkm: well. i'm going to head into my lair |
| 17:59.22 | zakkm | :) |
| 17:59.30 | zakkm | is that code for something? |
| 17:59.35 | Macer | my mother is picking up my son to take him to the park and mcdonalds |
| 17:59.40 | zakkm | eww mcdonalds |
| 17:59.43 | zakkm | so expensivee |
| 17:59.53 | zakkm | ive found it very expensive, maybe its just here |
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| 18:00.05 | Macer | shit. if it gives me a break i'd buy him a steak |
| 18:00.07 | Macer | hahaha |
| 18:00.10 | zakkm | :D |
| 18:00.17 | zakkm | good and bad to hear |
| 18:00.28 | zakkm | nice to know you spoil him :) |
| 18:00.43 | Macer | it is a full time job after the full time job ;) |
| 18:00.44 | Macer | i try to haha |
| 18:00.44 | zakkm | i have a 4 year old nephew i lovee to spoil :) |
| 18:00.55 | Macer | he is a great boy. glad i got a good one |
| 18:01.01 | zakkm | hahh |
| 18:01.10 | Macer | some kids make me want to hit them with baseball bats |
| 18:01.14 | zakkm | :O |
| 18:01.17 | Macer | lol |
| 18:01.18 | zakkm | terrible |
| 18:01.25 | Macer | yet true |
| 18:01.35 | Macer | my son is pretty mellow |
| 18:01.52 | zakkm | teaching him the ins and outs of computers yet? |
| 18:02.04 | zakkm | 3 years old is a good time to start if you are :P |
| 18:02.08 | Macer | my ex gf had a son that was wired up on life. he put my son to shame on the hyperactive meter |
| 18:02.21 | Macer | zakkm: i try |
| 18:02.31 | zakkm | i taught my nephew at 3 years old, youtube :P |
| 18:02.44 | Macer | haha |
| 18:02.46 | zakkm | he comes over for sleepovers sometimes, kicks me off my computer.. goes on youtube and clicks on vids and such |
| 18:02.54 | zakkm | stands up on the chair changes the speaker volume |
| 18:03.00 | zakkm | all on his own |
| 18:03.11 | Macer | hahahahaha.. my son knows where the noggin bookmark is =) |
| 18:03.19 | Macer | it's scary |
| 18:03.26 | fiferboy | Macer: I've got a mellow 3 year-old too! |
| 18:03.32 | zakkm | can even play someee flash games, but not many |
| 18:03.33 | Macer | i dont want him to be a cave child |
| 18:03.41 | zakkm | whats a cave child? |
| 18:03.51 | Macer | inside with video games all damn day long |
| 18:03.57 | zakkm | ahh |
| 18:04.00 | zakkm | thatss teribble |
| 18:04.05 | Macer | kids dont go outside anymore =) |
| 18:04.09 | zakkm | he should go out |
| 18:04.23 | Macer | he does |
| 18:04.30 | zakkm | at 3 ;P but lateron too |
| 18:04.37 | zakkm | why would you wish he was a cave child? |
| 18:04.39 | zakkm | safe at home? |
| 18:04.54 | Macer | i said dont want him to be one ;) |
| 18:04.59 | zakkm | ooo |
| 18:05.06 | zakkm | ohhh lol im tiredd |
| 18:05.16 | Macer | brb. heading to this shuttle to do this boot 132 stuff again |
| 18:05.28 | Macer | and pray the realtek works |
| 18:05.32 | Macer | =) |
| 18:05.35 | zakkm | wait |
| 18:05.37 | zakkm | boot with -f -v |
| 18:05.52 | Macer | from the 132 cd? |
| 18:06.01 | zakkm | if you boot with that |
| 18:06.08 | zakkm | rd=disk0s2 -f -v |
| 18:06.12 | zakkm | sort of thing |
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| 18:06.30 | Macer | the disk would be disk0s1 |
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| 18:06.41 | zakkm | k then rd=disk0s1 -f -v |
| 18:06.45 | Macer | i was using the master sata 1 partition 1tb drive |
| 18:07.16 | Macer | ok. have to put the card in .. if youre going to be around i'll msg |
| 18:07.33 | zakkm | yeah for another 30min or so - ish |
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| 18:19.05 | Macer | alrighty |
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| 18:57.44 | fiferboy | lbt: ping? |
| 18:57.50 | lbt | hi |
| 18:57.56 | lbt | still building locally :) |
| 18:59.05 | fiferboy | Fun! |
| 18:59.17 | fiferboy | I have a way better solution than my previous one. |
| 18:59.27 | lbt | nah, trying to figre out a DVCS/packaging solution is fun .... not! |
| 18:59.33 | fiferboy | Faster, simpler, better. |
| 18:59.34 | lbt | OK? |
| 19:00.09 | lbt | TBH I haven't looked at the paint code ... I started and then got stuck on making the damn thing run |
| 19:00.14 | fiferboy | No extra functions, only local variables, same speed as your previous solution, none of the problems of my previous solution |
| 19:00.22 | lbt | excellent |
| 19:00.47 | fiferboy | Actually, I don't touch the paint code in either solution. |
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| 19:01.04 | lbt | have you tested it on qt4-demos ? |
| 19:01.07 | fiferboy | I was going to look into that, then I got into using setViewportMargins |
| 19:01.34 | fiferboy | No, I'll have to install those. Do they run well enough on the tablet, or should I try them in scratchbox? |
| 19:02.00 | lbt | tablet is a good test... |
| 19:02.10 | lbt | you can't see the text in the main menu though |
| 19:03.08 | fiferboy | I'll give it a try (if I have enough room left on my device) |
| 19:03.25 | KayDeeEeJon | the qt version installable from the maemo site seems to be a 4.3.2 ?? |
| 19:03.28 | KayDeeEeJon | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/qt4/ |
| 19:03.46 | lbt | extras is higher IIRC |
| 19:03.53 | KayDeeEeJon | ok thx |
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| 19:09.30 | KayDeeEeJon | is there a site/page that presents the packages in extra link the maemo site does for the 2008 packages? |
| 19:09.44 | KayDeeEeJon | s/link/like/ |
| 19:09.58 | zakkm | KayDeeEeJon: theres the repository url? |
| 19:10.24 | GAN800 | Erm, 'packages in extras'? |
| 19:10.45 | GAN800 | downloads.maemo.org _is_ the packages in Extras |
| 19:11.05 | GAN800 | But, no, there's not yet a packages.maemo.org |
| 19:12.37 | KayDeeEeJon | do the packages in extras all show in the categories-based menu at http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ |
| 19:14.55 | andre__ | hmm, are there any public screenshots of the fremantle file browser somewhere? |
| 19:14.57 | andre__ | wondering |
| 19:18.18 | andre__ | now should i close https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2105 as wontfix or not? sigh |
| 19:20.11 | lbt | eww |
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| 19:22.25 | Stskeeps | andre__: we havent seen file manager officially yet |
| 19:22.57 | andre__ | Stskeeps, ah good. So I shouldn't leak too much :-P |
| 19:22.59 | fiferboy | lbt: I had to uninstall some things, but qtdemo is running. |
| 19:23.05 | fiferboy | Any way to full screen it? |
| 19:23.38 | fiferboy | Got it, button in the bottom right |
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| 19:28.22 | zakkm | andre__: you know everything in fremantle that others dont? |
| 19:29.03 | Jaffa | saw a nice ARM-based netbook due for release shortly with a rotating tablet/netbook screen (on a Java SE Embedded stand) |
| 19:29.20 | Stskeeps | if he has to be efficient punching bag internally and externally, he prolly has to |
| 19:29.24 | andre__ | zakkm, haha, no... but a few things at least |
| 19:29.37 | zakkm | andre__: how? |
| 19:30.04 | fiferboy | lbt: Found a problem with table/listviews |
| 19:30.09 | Stskeeps | its prolly called a magic nda |
| 19:30.27 | fiferboy | As the documentation says, I have to take into account header space (margins) |
| 19:30.28 | lbt | fiferboy: yeah.... |
| 19:30.34 | andre__ | zakkm, i have access to the internal bugtracker, and that seems to mean that i also have access to some docs (and i sometimes think that nokia maybe does not know the latter) |
| 19:30.45 | fiferboy | Shouldn't be too bad to fix (hopefully) |
| 19:31.03 | zakkm | andre__: hahh awesome |
| 19:31.40 | andre__ | at least it's helpful to get the job done a bit better imo |
| 19:31.43 | fiferboy | lbt: Now I forget, what did your code do when scrolling with headers on? |
| 19:31.56 | fiferboy | Leave a gap between the header and the contents when overshooting? |
| 19:32.29 | lbt | that would be nice |
| 19:32.45 | lbt | makes sense too |
| 19:33.31 | fiferboy | I think it is the easiest, too :) |
| 19:34.19 | lbt | yes, it should be |
| 19:41.36 | fiferboy | lbt: Fixed it for left-to-right layouts, right-to-left should be a simple addition |
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| 19:41.50 | fiferboy | r-t-l will be harder to test, though :) |
| 19:42.08 | lbt | heh |
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| 19:50.45 | fiferboy | lbt: The problem is fixed, but it is a little disconcerting to have the items scroll while the headers stay in place. |
| 19:51.06 | lbt | don't spreadsheets do that? |
| 19:51.13 | fiferboy | For example, scrolling vertically with horizontal headers on, the list moves past the end but the headers on the side stay in place. |
| 19:51.34 | fiferboy | Spreadsheets don't normally scroll past their limits, do they? |
| 19:53.07 | fiferboy | Do you want a screenshot of what I am talking about? |
| 19:55.12 | lbt | ah |
| 19:55.22 | lbt | so they no longer line up... |
| 19:55.27 | lbt | in overshoot |
| 19:55.33 | lbt | ugh |
| 19:55.39 | lbt | :) |
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| 20:01.52 | fiferboy | Yes, I would think the proper thing to do would be have the header scroll off with the itme |
| 20:02.16 | fiferboy | But I'm not sure how to accomplish that. It could be as simple as translating the appropriate header by the same amount |
| 20:02.32 | fiferboy | But how to find out if the widget is using headers? |
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| 20:09.20 | lbt | fiferboy: I think we need to implement overshoot in the instantiated widgets too |
| 20:09.52 | fiferboy | Meaning? |
| 20:10.27 | lbt | QGraphicsView, QMdiArea, QPlainTextEdit, QScrollArea, and QTextEdit. |
| 20:10.50 | lbt | ie not 'abstract' |
| 20:11.20 | fiferboy | Ah. Instead of in QAbstractScrollArea or in addition to? |
| 20:11.37 | lbt | virtual ? |
| 20:12.03 | lbt | so where the behaviour of the class demands a re-implementation of overshoot |
| 20:12.17 | fiferboy | So the instantiated widget will override the abstract implementation? |
| 20:12.18 | lbt | eg when it displays headers |
| 20:12.27 | lbt | yes... |
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| 20:12.38 | fiferboy | That sounds reasonable. More work, but reasonable |
| 20:12.39 | lbt | here my formal language breaks down |
| 20:12.50 | lbt | but I think virtual methods |
| 20:13.45 | fiferboy | And QWebView needs its own implementation anyway |
| 20:14.03 | lbt | yeah, IIRC it reimplements QASA |
| 20:14.30 | fiferboy | I think QGraphicsView is fine with the abstract implementation, as is QScrollArea |
| 20:14.35 | lbt | but we should be able to seperate out the fingerscroller and reuse it |
| 20:14.58 | lbt | heh... the cat sat on my wife's printscrn button |
| 20:15.08 | lbt | she has 70 knsnapshots now |
| 20:15.21 | lbt | and climbing ROFL |
| 20:15.21 | fiferboy | QAbstractItemView doesn't use headers itself, but QTableView and QListView do. |
| 20:15.33 | fiferboy | LOL |
| 20:16.44 | lbt | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qabstractitemview.html |
| 20:16.49 | lbt | Inherited by QColumnView, QHeaderView, QListView, QTableView, and QTreeView. |
| 20:16.53 | fiferboy | lbt: I will send you my latest changes. We should be happy with the base implementation before we make others |
| 20:16.59 | lbt | indeed |
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| 20:17.11 | lbt | part of the reason for just having the overshoot |
| 20:17.24 | lbt | was to allow this "tuning" |
| 20:18.17 | lbt | anything inheriting QASA may now need to implement (or stub) the overshoot to get sane behaviour though :( |
| 20:18.55 | lbt | I've asked gnuton to get the Qt guys to review the code and discuss the implementation design |
| 20:19.13 | fiferboy | Perhaps it would be better to break the finger scrolling into more functions so anything inheriting QASA can just override small portions. |
| 20:19.49 | fiferboy | I could easily make a drawOvershoot(int x, int y) funtction that will allow other widgets to keep the bulk of the QASA finger scrolling code |
| 20:19.55 | lbt | well, to my mind we have fingerscroll and overshoot |
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| 20:21.54 | lcuk | i gather scrolling upto the boundary is respected much better |
| 20:22.31 | lcuk | ie doesnt make the functions for headers etc break because the abstractitem is always within expected bounds |
| 20:22.34 | fiferboy | lcuk: I haven't come across any issues with scrolling within the boundaries |
| 20:22.46 | fiferboy | lcuk: Correct |
| 20:22.54 | lcuk | then put that in a stand alone clean simple patch |
| 20:23.02 | lbt | I did |
| 20:23.05 | lcuk | that works everywhere and is stable |
| 20:23.07 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:23.13 | lbt | gnuton wanted bounce |
| 20:23.28 | lcuk | yes, bounce will need more work obviously ;) |
| 20:23.37 | lbt | bounce=overshoot |
| 20:23.47 | lbt | and that's what we're doing.... |
| 20:23.57 | lbt | AFAIK the fingerscroll is clean |
| 20:24.08 | fiferboy | lbt: The per-pixel vs per-item is also, AFAIK, a QAbstractItemView-only problem |
| 20:24.31 | lbt | I should really have these in discrete branches in gitorious |
| 20:24.35 | lbt | fiferboy: is it? |
| 20:25.02 | fiferboy | Yes, the QAbstractItemView has the functions for setVerticalScrollMode and setHorizontalScrollMode |
| 20:25.24 | lcuk | lbt, if i were implementing a header in lb, i would have it offset by the actual xy of the contents - is the overshoot "faking" the position of the item, or are the headers specifically looking for data within 0..w |
| 20:25.26 | lbt | ah yes |
| 20:25.54 | fiferboy | lcuk: The headers are distinct widgets drawn in a margin of the item view |
| 20:26.14 | fiferboy | They scroll in step, but changes to the viewport margins affect them strangely |
| 20:26.27 | lbt | I am very uncomfortable overriding ScrollPerItem |
| 20:26.32 | lcuk | yeah, with event handlers based on the move event of the contents |
| 20:26.40 | lbt | if the dev sets that... then you get that. |
| 20:26.57 | fiferboy | lbt: I changed the QAbstractItemView code to default to ScrollPerPixel in my build :) |
| 20:27.10 | lbt | if making the app tabletfriendly needs a change then do it in the app |
| 20:27.47 | fiferboy | There is an argument for changing the default (but still allowing override) especially on a tablet with a small screen |
| 20:27.53 | lbt | I don't mind adding to the framework, but overriding the developer.... sorry, we don't know best :) |
| 20:28.13 | lbt | well, the problem is that the default is documented |
| 20:28.19 | fiferboy | If you item height or width is larger than the viewport available on the tablet you will never be able to see the edges of that item (if ScrollPerItem is on) |
| 20:28.20 | lbt | so you don't know if they were lazy |
| 20:28.32 | lbt | or badly wanted the default |
| 20:28.40 | lbt | and didn't need to code it :) |
| 20:28.43 | fiferboy | lbt: True |
| 20:29.10 | fiferboy | If they see their desired behaviour is the default they won't explicitly override it |
| 20:29.12 | lbt | I think if an app has items that large |
| 20:29.20 | lbt | then we need to change the app |
| 20:29.51 | lbt | so I will strongly suggest we don't break the defined behaviour |
| 20:30.34 | fiferboy | lbt: I agree, I just did that on my build so I wouldn't have to change the default of every scroll area in my program |
| 20:30.38 | lbt | gnuton also does some 'clever' tricks in the framework to hack on menu items too |
| 20:30.41 | fiferboy | In other words, I was lazy |
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| 20:31.11 | fiferboy | Well, I have to go |
| 20:31.17 | lbt | 'k |
| 20:31.27 | lbt | thanks for this... |
| 20:31.41 | fiferboy | Looks like there is more work than I thought left for finger scrolling... |
| 20:31.42 | lbt | drop me what you have :) |
| 20:31.50 | fiferboy | It should be sent now |
| 20:32.03 | lbt | got it |
| 20:32.33 | fiferboy | When we decide what should be done next I'll start working on something |
| 20:32.51 | lbt | I'd like to get this sorted and into gitorious |
| 20:33.07 | lbt | and then see gnuton's tree in there |
| 20:33.17 | fiferboy | That is probably a good next move. I'll really have to learn more aobut GIT |
| 20:33.37 | lbt | nods |
| 20:33.43 | fiferboy | Fortunately there is some good documentation ;) |
| 20:33.51 | fiferboy | Talk to you later. |
| 20:33.54 | lbt | lots of tutorials too ;) |
| 20:33.56 | lbt | l8r |
| 20:33.57 | lbt | thanks |
| 20:34.00 | fiferboy | np |
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| 21:23.28 | mib_9fs00m | HI ROOM |
| 21:23.55 | Jaffa | Hello mib_9fs00m |
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| 21:24.34 | mib_9fs00m | does anyone know if the n810 will have hardware accleration, ever ! |
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| 21:24.59 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: depends on for what |
| 21:25.01 | jonrafkind | has anyone set up scratchbox to work with maemo? when I run af-sb-init.sh I get errors about missing files |
| 21:25.25 | mib_9fs00m | for web browser, and watching vidoes |
| 21:25.43 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: there is no such thing as hardware accelerated browsers |
| 21:25.59 | luke-jr | and I'm pretty sure video is already as accelerated as the hardware supports |
| 21:26.02 | mib_9fs00m | ofcourse there is, look at the iphone |
| 21:26.06 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 21:26.16 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: what about iCrapPhone |
| 21:26.35 | luke-jr | it has a browser, yes, but not accelerated in any way AFAIK |
| 21:26.37 | mib_9fs00m | nokia have disabled the power VR chip |
| 21:26.41 | luke-jr | browsers are inherently software |
| 21:26.45 | luke-jr | PowerVR has nothing to do with browsers |
| 21:26.53 | luke-jr | nor is it disabled, just not supported by Linux |
| 21:27.10 | mib_9fs00m | have you read the forums |
| 21:27.16 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The iPhone uses h/w acceleration for zooming *effects* but it's not core to the browser |
| 21:27.44 | mib_9fs00m | come on, you beed hardware accel, to have nice user experince |
| 21:27.45 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: As luke-jr says, it's not been disabled - it's just not got any drivers (subtle difference ;-)) |
| 21:28.01 | mib_9fs00m | n810 sucks |
| 21:28.08 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: yes, it does, but not due to lack of 3D |
| 21:28.12 | luke-jr | N810 never advertised 3D |
| 21:28.18 | luke-jr | nobody has any reason to expect it |
| 21:28.26 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The next device has got working 3D accel |
| 21:28.44 | luke-jr | N810's suck comes from lack of GPS and a crappy keyboard ;) |
| 21:28.54 | mib_9fs00m | why it always the next device, this chip can support 3d |
| 21:29.15 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: hire someone to write a driver |
| 21:29.18 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: See (OTTOMH) http://wiki.maemo.org/Drivers_Justification and its "Talk:" page |
| 21:29.32 | mib_9fs00m | nokia wont relase the hardware |
| 21:29.40 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, i beg to differ, the n810 is a fucking shit hot super machine! and my liqbase proves its no slouch |
| 21:29.40 | mib_9fs00m | its locked |
| 21:29.49 | Jaffa | Nokia can't release the drivers |
| 21:29.53 | mib_9fs00m | oh hi lcuk |
| 21:30.04 | luke-jr | Jaffa: if the drivers exist, Nokia could |
| 21:30.12 | luke-jr | GPL license guarantees that right |
| 21:30.25 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Not in a GPL-compatible way they can't |
| 21:30.35 | Jaffa | (and it's unstable IIRC) |
| 21:30.56 | luke-jr | ok, correction, if Nokia got drivers from TI |
| 21:31.00 | mib_9fs00m | does anyone in the UK want brandnew n810, for 80 pounds |
| 21:31.17 | luke-jr | I suppose if Nokia wrote them under NDA, there's a problem |
| 21:31.21 | mib_9fs00m | i used it 2 times |
| 21:31.30 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll take it for 50 USD :þ |
| 21:31.35 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 21:31.37 | lcuk | yeah give me £80 and ill take it off your hands |
| 21:31.59 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll let you use my patent if you want to buy a SmartQ ;) |
| 21:32.03 | mib_9fs00m | im selling it for 80gbp, this device is really crap |
| 21:32.12 | luke-jr | it's not worth 80gbp |
| 21:32.14 | mib_9fs00m | i hate it |
| 21:32.37 | luke-jr | oh, GBP is worth less than I thought now |
| 21:32.45 | luke-jr | hum, 128 USD not too bad |
| 21:32.51 | luke-jr | but I'd rather get a SmartQ at this point |
| 21:33.04 | mib_9fs00m | im never buying nokia again |
| 21:33.07 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, so whats your wet dream then, what device manages to capture your attention more |
| 21:33.23 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I will only consider it after careful review |
| 21:33.23 | mib_9fs00m | pandora |
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| 21:33.30 | lcuk | ok, can you buy one now? |
| 21:33.31 | luke-jr | eg, building my own firmware from scratch sources |
| 21:33.41 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Pandora isn't any better, last I heard |
| 21:33.42 | Jaffa | luke-jr: I've heard poor things about the performance on scrolling, so it's not as much of a step-up as you'd think :( |
| 21:33.54 | mib_9fs00m | really |
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| 21:34.10 | luke-jr | Jaffa: it's not the hardware, it's because it's open |
| 21:34.39 | mib_9fs00m | n810 is the worst device ive seen in along time |
| 21:34.40 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, what do you like about the pandora - last i heard it had kind of a bland experience |
| 21:34.44 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Pandora - if it evers ships - may well have better hardware (it *is* 3 years later), but the s/w will be ropey unless you just want to play games |
| 21:35.06 | luke-jr | Jaffa: if I could get GPS usable, I would probably be decently satisfied with my N810 for its generation |
| 21:35.25 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Unless it's a video bandwidth issue |
| 21:35.27 | mib_9fs00m | yes but it will be devolped. to high standard hopefully |
| 21:35.27 | luke-jr | heh, N810 factory software sucks too, big deal |
| 21:35.42 | luke-jr | Jaffa: what does video bandwidht have to do with it? |
| 21:35.44 | mib_9fs00m | lol, n810 sucks, period |
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| 21:36.06 | luke-jr | is not interested in factory software, just wants to run a normal OS (Gentoo) |
| 21:36.07 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Mine's not too bad now; it's just a case of remembering to enable it before I need it and ensuring supld's not crashed |
| 21:36.39 | mib_9fs00m | nokia are the fucking piss out of us |
| 21:36.41 | Jaffa | luke-jr: OOTB Maemo doesn't suck too much (under the covers, anyway) - lots of work on power mgmt |
| 21:37.06 | luke-jr | Jaffa: I'm at ~12 hours TTFF right now |
| 21:37.10 | Jaffa | Not that it's always good enough |
| 21:37.18 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Using A-GPS? |
| 21:37.25 | luke-jr | AGPS doesn't work with hacked gpsdriver |
| 21:37.30 | Stskeeps | luke-jr doesn't believe in AGPS because it uses gconf |
| 21:37.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 21:37.37 | luke-jr | and unhacked gpsdriver is screwed up too much to work on anything but stupid Maemo |
| 21:37.38 | Jaffa | was getting ~30s on holiday last month |
| 21:37.56 | mib_9fs00m | Maemo is pile of crap too |
| 21:37.58 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: like I said, get a SmartQ and use my patent with it:) |
| 21:37.59 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Right, so you break the s/w and then blame the GPS. Hmm... |
| 21:38.07 | luke-jr | Jaffa: no, I didn't break anything |
| 21:38.11 | luke-jr | the s/w is broken |
| 21:38.16 | luke-jr | it won't even RUN without the hacks |
| 21:38.41 | mib_9fs00m | this device is seriously rubbish |
| 21:38.55 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: do you see my SmartQ suggestion? |
| 21:38.56 | Stskeeps | donate to someone who can actually use it |
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| 21:39.07 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: If you just want to troll, perhaps you could redirect to /dev/null? |
| 21:39.16 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: actually, I'll donate to a fund to have your N810 donated to a serious kernel developer |
| 21:39.34 | mib_9fs00m | what about my 200gbp |
| 21:39.44 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you paid 200gbp? ripof |
| 21:39.49 | mib_9fs00m | yes |
| 21:40.29 | lcuk | what comparable product could you purchase right now would satisfy you |
| 21:40.30 | tank-man | you paid that much recently ? |
| 21:40.32 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I'll donate 20gbp to have your N810 go to a serious kernel dev |
| 21:40.40 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: find a few more people willing to do the same ⺠|
| 21:40.49 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Send it back to the retailer if you bought it online <14 days ago (Distance Selling Regulations 2000) |
| 21:41.08 | mib_9fs00m | iphone, atleast it has 3d hardware enabled, and everyhing else, the omap was designed to do |
| 21:41.18 | luke-jr | actually, maybe I should be petitioning Nokia to donate one to a kernel dev |
| 21:41.20 | lcuk | yes, are you a developer? |
| 21:41.52 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Loads of kernel devs got 770s, N800s and N810s (or were at least offered) |
| 21:41.55 | lcuk | do you use linux and open source methods to build with normally, or are you an objective c kinda guy |
| 21:42.02 | Jaffa | Alan Cox had one, for example |
| 21:42.09 | luke-jr | Jaffa: then why doesn't it work? :/ |
| 21:42.23 | Jaffa | "it"? |
| 21:42.40 | luke-jr | Jaffa: Linux-OMAP on N810 is unusable |
| 21:42.44 | mib_9fs00m | lcuk, do you know anything about the 3d hardware in the n810 |
| 21:42.54 | luke-jr | Jaffa: the keyboard especially is screwed |
| 21:43.03 | lcuk | no but i really dont think it needs it to have an enjoyable user experience |
| 21:43.16 | mib_9fs00m | how can you say that, |
| 21:43.19 | Jaffa | luke-jr: That's demonstrably false, since I'm using it right now ;-) |
| 21:43.28 | luke-jr | Jaffa: you are? how? |
| 21:43.31 | lcuk | at this point i would be happy saying its about as fast as it can be |
| 21:43.43 | luke-jr | Jaffa: I posted to the ML about it and all I got was another guy confirming |
| 21:43.52 | lcuk | using the powervr would at best give an rgb image |
| 21:43.52 | mib_9fs00m | lcuk, you are wrong |
| 21:43.54 | Jaffa | Sub-optimal, perhaps; but Nokia are in the top 10 kernel contributors (according to LWN analysis) |
| 21:44.00 | lcuk | that would suffer from tearing |
| 21:44.03 | lcuk | liqbase does not |
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| 21:44.12 | luke-jr | Jaffa: well, I'm building rc8 now, maybe it was fixed recently? |
| 21:44.16 | luke-jr | though I didn't see it in shortlog |
| 21:44.39 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Maemo's based on Linux-OMAP; or do you mean the current HEAD? |
| 21:44.46 | lcuk | so best case scenario would be a lower resolution RGB mode going over the bus etc, but still around 20% more bandwidth than mine |
| 21:45.10 | mib_9fs00m | luck can you devolp are driver, |
| 21:45.19 | luke-jr | Jaffa: current HEAD |
| 21:45.30 | luke-jr | Jaffa: Maemo's kernel is 3 years old or so |
| 21:45.33 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Loads of OMAP2 support was removed IIRC |
| 21:45.37 | luke-jr | wtf? |
| 21:45.48 | luke-jr | why the heck would they remove it? |
| 21:45.57 | mib_9fs00m | liqbase is really impressive, |
| 21:46.22 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Ask the linux-omap maintainer? |
| 21:46.31 | luke-jr | Jaffa: anyhow, the drivers are there, just broken |
| 21:46.44 | mib_9fs00m | what do you mean broken |
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| 21:46.46 | luke-jr | the Shift keys and fghjvbnm don't press |
| 21:46.52 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: not talking about 3D |
| 21:47.00 | mib_9fs00m | ok sorry |
| 21:47.06 | luke-jr | I honestly don't care about 3D |
| 21:47.11 | luke-jr | I don't even use 3D on my desktop machine |
| 21:47.22 | mib_9fs00m | you dont know what 3d is |
| 21:47.35 | dieb_ | How to remove a wrong package upload to maemo extras devel ? |
| 21:47.42 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: useless eye candy |
| 21:47.46 | mib_9fs00m | if you had no hardware accelration, you coudnt even browse the web smoothly |
| 21:47.54 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: nonsense |
| 21:48.00 | Jaffa | dieb_: Upload a newer version |
| 21:48.04 | mib_9fs00m | lol, its true |
| 21:48.14 | Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: bullcrap. try webkit and Tear. |
| 21:48.18 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you, sir, are an idiot ⺠|
| 21:48.36 | dieb_ | Jaffa: what if it's been uploaded by mistake and should be deleted completely? |
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| 21:48.37 | mib_9fs00m | what, try using, windows, without a proper 3d driver |
| 21:48.40 | Jaffa | dieb_: Or ask X-Fade or jeremiah to delete it if it's not something you want to override |
| 21:48.42 | lcuk | i wonder what would happen if i tied together simple little html chunks with simple little liq* elements :) |
| 21:48.54 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: no, Windows sucks |
| 21:48.57 | dieb_ | Jaffa: thanks |
| 21:49.03 | cosmo | is there any web browser which supports 3d acceleration? |
| 21:49.06 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you would have to pay me to touch Windows |
| 21:49.16 | mib_9fs00m | any good o/s needs 3d accelration |
| 21:49.28 | Jaffa | cosmo: iPhone uses the h/w accel to do transitions |
| 21:49.30 | cosmo | at least firefox doesn't, so i guess its useless |
| 21:49.32 | lcuk | they coped just fine for however many years before |
| 21:49.36 | lcuk | and mine is 2d now |
| 21:49.37 | dieb_ | X-Fade, jeremiah_torp ping |
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| 21:49.51 | Jaffa | This is not the ssame as "needing" to have 3D to browse the web, as mib_9fs00m claims |
| 21:50.08 | mib_9fs00m | i think you guys are confusing hardware accleration, for something else |
| 21:50.24 | mib_9fs00m | you need hardware accelrated graphics |
| 21:50.39 | luke-jr | no, you don't |
| 21:50.47 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: To render HTML, to execute JS? No. |
| 21:50.54 | Stskeeps | you might need bitblit, sure, but 3d? no |
| 21:51.06 | mib_9fs00m | so is the os2008 smooth to use, can you drag and drop, and rezise? |
| 21:51.09 | cosmo | does hw 2d blitting and gfx primitives count as acceleration? |
| 21:51.12 | lcuk | i can |
| 21:51.22 | mib_9fs00m | lol, no you cant, it sucks |
| 21:51.43 | Stskeeps | puts a troll hat on mib_9fs00m and goes do something useful |
| 21:52.08 | Jaffa | goes tto listen to OO Ant |
| 21:52.27 | mib_9fs00m | i tired to reize a fucking rss reader, the dam thing crashed |
| 21:52.35 | mib_9fs00m | wtf |
| 21:52.45 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: as if that has anything to do with hardware acceleration |
| 21:52.46 | luke-jr | get a clue |
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| 21:53.03 | luke-jr | gentooer: hi |
| 21:53.06 | mib_9fs00m | you have no idea. what 3d hardware, can do |
| 21:53.16 | Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: anyway, most of us are not developers of maemo os here. so why are you bitching? |
| 21:53.19 | gentooer | hello |
| 21:53.19 | Stskeeps | we're happy users. |
| 21:53.23 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I think I have a much much better idea than you do |
| 21:53.42 | mib_9fs00m | becuase i just wasted 200gbp, on worst piece if shit ever |
| 21:53.46 | luke-jr | gentooer: what device do you have? |
| 21:54.02 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: do your research before buying things. |
| 21:54.10 | gentooer | luke-jr, an n800 |
| 21:54.21 | luke-jr | *Nowhere* does anyone claim N810 has 3D acceleration |
| 21:54.30 | luke-jr | gentooer: cool, got Gentoo installed already? |
| 21:54.31 | mib_9fs00m | why do nokia relase prodcuts that are not ready |
| 21:54.34 | lcuk | errr i thought it had it actually |
| 21:54.35 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Return it. If you're in the UK, and you bought it online, and less than 2 weeks ago - you can get a full refund (as I said above) |
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| 21:54.44 | lcuk | i read what system on die chipset it had |
| 21:54.47 | lcuk | and it had powervr |
| 21:54.49 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 21:54.51 | mib_9fs00m | i think i will |
| 21:55.05 | lcuk | that was my first impression |
| 21:55.07 | gentooer | luke-jr, nah i don't think i'll be doing that anytime soon. n800 is mostly stock. gentoo is only on my desktop |
| 21:55.17 | mib_9fs00m | yes it has power Vr and lot more, which nokia just chose to forget |
| 21:55.18 | luke-jr | gentooer: boo, we need more users! |
| 21:55.18 | lcuk | when i found out it didnt, i worked around the damage |
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| 21:55.45 | gentooer | luke-jr, you have gentoo on your n8x0? |
| 21:55.52 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, you are not a hardware designer, there were implementation specific reasons for the choice of framebuffer |
| 21:55.55 | luke-jr | gentooer: indeed |
| 21:56.02 | gentooer | wow, that's crazy.. |
| 21:56.15 | luke-jr | gentooer: 8 GB SD card is handy |
| 21:56.18 | Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: they didn't need 3d. :) |
| 21:56.27 | luke-jr | upgrading kdelibs atm |
| 21:56.31 | gentooer | luke-jr, any reason why? just to see if you could? |
| 21:56.37 | mib_9fs00m | the bottom line is nokia have relased a product that is not ready to browse the web, |
| 21:56.47 | luke-jr | gentooer: Maemo sucks, and Gentoo is my default for things I have physical access to |
| 21:56.53 | Guest8048_411 | Hello, where can I find a guide to install pb KDE in my N810 ? |
| 21:56.59 | luke-jr | gentooer: and Gentoo is a lot easier to hack with |
| 21:57.07 | luke-jr | Guest8048_411: pb? |
| 21:57.15 | mib_9fs00m | does gentoo have 3d hardware enabled? |
| 21:57.35 | lcuk | only if you enter the driver details manually, in hex |
| 21:57.44 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux doesn't support the 3D chip, so nothing does |
| 21:57.46 | mib_9fs00m | so the answer is NO ! |
| 21:57.57 | luke-jr | Guest8048_411: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 |
| 21:58.04 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, it is linux |
| 21:58.24 | mib_9fs00m | ofcourse linux supports 3d hardware |
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| 21:58.37 | lcuk | not everywhere |
| 21:58.40 | mib_9fs00m | it just that nokia havent bothred incuding it |
| 21:58.59 | VDVsx | Guest8048_411, try google :P |
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| 21:59.17 | tank-man | I love the 3d support in Internet Explorer :) |
| 21:59.34 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux doesnt' support PowerVR |
| 21:59.37 | mib_9fs00m | Maemo is biggest pile of crap ive ever seen |
| 21:59.50 | luke-jr | actually, who asked about browsers with 3D support earlier? |
| 21:59.58 | mib_9fs00m | i did |
| 22:00.04 | luke-jr | not you, someone with a clue |
| 22:00.16 | Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: yet it lasts several days on a battery when a XP phone dies after 2 hours.. |
| 22:00.23 | mib_9fs00m | hey i am using macbook pro, i think i have a clue |
| 22:00.32 | luke-jr | cosmo: Firefox has 3D canvas support via OpenGL ES now |
| 22:00.36 | Stskeeps | just because it says "pro" doesn't mean you are |
| 22:00.37 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 22:00.46 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: N810 lasts about 2 hours on battery ;) |
| 22:00.52 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: in gentoo probably |
| 22:00.59 | mib_9fs00m | n810 is crap |
| 22:01.13 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, as a macbook owner, wtf made you choose linux? why didnt you just get iphone? |
| 22:01.17 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I suspect it would last longer if stupid BME didn't issue the shutdown command |
| 22:01.28 | cosmo | luke-jr: via cairo backend or how? |
| 22:01.33 | mib_9fs00m | becuase actually mac osx, is buily on free BSD |
| 22:01.35 | lcuk | you could be fingerpainting for ages |
| 22:01.45 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: that's myth |
| 22:01.48 | mib_9fs00m | which is linux |
| 22:01.53 | luke-jr | they |
| 22:01.58 | luke-jr | and THAT is just insanity |
| 22:01.58 | mib_9fs00m | no its not, |
| 22:02.09 | luke-jr | fact 1: Mac OS X is NOT built on FreeBSD |
| 22:02.15 | luke-jr | fact 2: FreeBSD is completely unrelated to Linux |
| 22:02.23 | mib_9fs00m | its built in berkley |
| 22:02.32 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Mac OS X is built on NeXTStep |
| 22:02.37 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 22:02.46 | mib_9fs00m | wtf Neststep |
| 22:02.52 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, what did you grow up owning? |
| 22:02.54 | lbt | watches the buns |
| 22:02.58 | mib_9fs00m | never heard of it |
| 22:03.02 | lcuk | whats your favorite machine |
| 22:03.21 | Macer | heh |
| 22:03.24 | cosmo | afk coding something useful. looks like this channel has been trolled.. |
| 22:03.26 | mib_9fs00m | imac 24 inch alu |
| 22:03.29 | luke-jr | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextstep |
| 22:03.33 | mib_9fs00m | which i own too |
| 22:03.34 | lbt | waits for "did too".... wonders what the book on luke-jr is? |
| 22:03.45 | tank-man | lol |
| 22:03.46 | Macer | nextstep is what jobbs made after he got forced out |
| 22:03.50 | luke-jr | lbt: â? |
| 22:03.51 | lcuk | have you had any other hand helds |
| 22:03.55 | Macer | was actually pretty good |
| 22:04.12 | mib_9fs00m | yes, ive had wm2003, wm5, wm6, which are all better |
| 22:04.15 | luke-jr | Macer: OS X is Nextstep w/ rename and theme change |
| 22:04.21 | Macer | heh |
| 22:04.46 | Macer | they renamed it so the 3rd party manufacturers couldnt use os9 anymore |
| 22:04.53 | lcuk | k, linux is built by lazy programmers |
| 22:04.58 | mib_9fs00m | luke are you mac user |
| 22:05.04 | tank-man | mib_9fs00m, sounds like your problem is the websites you want to visit are too complex |
| 22:05.06 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: no, Apple sucks |
| 22:05.08 | lcuk | they do what they need to do, but leave dusty corners |
| 22:05.12 | Macer | the lic was that they can use os9 which is why they remade it and called it os x |
| 22:05.40 | luke-jr | I would buy Apple hardware if they still used PowerPC |
| 22:05.46 | luke-jr | but now they use x86, which is crap |
| 22:05.51 | Macer | me too |
| 22:05.53 | Macer | :( |
| 22:05.53 | luke-jr | no reason to get Apple anymore |
| 22:06.01 | Macer | agreed |
| 22:06.10 | mib_9fs00m | power pc, was good, but going to intel, had opened up windows to mac |
| 22:06.17 | VDVsx | luke-jr, nextstep is based in BSD linux, lol |
| 22:06.19 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Windows sucks, I won't touch it |
| 22:06.28 | Macer | bsd linux? |
| 22:06.36 | Macer | uhm |
| 22:06.39 | luke-jr | VDVsx: yeah, maybe a decade before OS X |
| 22:06.51 | VDVsx | Macer, *unix |
| 22:06.57 | luke-jr | VDVsx: no relation to FreeBSD at all tho |
| 22:07.04 | mib_9fs00m | you have admit it, mac osx, kicks, windows into touch |
| 22:07.12 | Macer | it uses a modified mach kernel |
| 22:07.19 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I admit both Apple and Microsoft are evil, and Windows doesn't even work decent |
| 22:07.21 | mib_9fs00m | yes thats right |
| 22:07.32 | Macer | probably the same nextstep used 15 yrs ago =) |
| 22:07.34 | luke-jr | but Apple is even more evil than Microsoft |
| 22:07.51 | mib_9fs00m | all big players are evil |
| 22:07.55 | Macer | luke-jr: that isnt a bad thing |
| 22:08.00 | luke-jr | Apple releases open source because they are legally required to |
| 22:08.08 | luke-jr | but Apple really wants closed source AND closed hardware |
| 22:08.14 | luke-jr | Microsoft is at least for open hardware |
| 22:08.33 | Macer | personally i think the failure of a realistic linus pc foothold is its inability to be a common structure |
| 22:08.39 | Macer | linux |
| 22:08.39 | VDVsx | luke-jr, yes, I read unix instead of freebsd, you are right :P |
| 22:08.47 | mib_9fs00m | you can get the source code for mac osx. but not for windows ???, go figure |
| 22:09.03 | Macer | most of osx =) not all |
| 22:09.07 | luke-jr | Macer: the goal is a diverse OS market, not a single "Linux" takeover |
| 22:09.17 | *** part/#maemo jonrafkind (n=jon@crystalis.cs.utah.edu) |
| 22:09.19 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you can't get the source code for OSX |
| 22:09.25 | EdLin | mib_9fs00m: got the source to iTunes, Quicktime, Quartz, and the GUI in general? |
| 22:09.30 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: just for the parts Apple is legally required to release |
| 22:09.33 | Macer | luke-jr: i will give you small portable niche markets |
| 22:09.51 | luke-jr | Microsoft also releases small bits and pieces of code |
| 22:09.55 | Macer | but the "distro" system will neither take over windows nor osx |
| 22:10.03 | mib_9fs00m | you can devolp for apple, and they will give the code |
| 22:10.26 | Macer | it is too unstructured with constant competition within itself |
| 22:10.32 | luke-jr | Macer: part of the problem is this "distro" mindset |
| 22:11.01 | luke-jr | people need to let Linux move back into the background where it belongs |
| 22:11.06 | luke-jr | we don't use Linux |
| 22:11.15 | Macer | i suppose. everybody knows debian is the best one anyways. |
| 22:11.16 | luke-jr | we use Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Fedora, Gentoo, Mandriva, etc |
| 22:11.21 | Macer | hides =) |
| 22:11.33 | luke-jr | or Debian ;) |
| 22:11.37 | Macer | luke. isnt there a count? |
| 22:11.44 | Macer | i bet it is up to 50 |
| 22:11.49 | Macer | or more |
| 22:11.52 | mib_9fs00m | linux, is the kernal, all the distros, do is add pretty icons and desktops |
| 22:11.54 | luke-jr | uh, it's been way over 100 for a while |
| 22:12.03 | Macer | mib_9fs00m: agreed |
| 22:12.06 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux is the insignificant kernel |
| 22:12.17 | Macer | lol |
| 22:12.20 | mib_9fs00m | luke, you talk crap |
| 22:12.26 | Macer | it is significant |
| 22:12.30 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Linux can be replaced at a moment's notice |
| 22:12.39 | luke-jr | the desktops are far more essential |
| 22:12.40 | Macer | otherwise it wouldnt be called a linux distro |
| 22:12.47 | jaska | the desktop environments are mostly garbage |
| 22:12.55 | jaska | including the closed ones (windows, osx) |
| 22:12.56 | luke-jr | Macer: it's only called a "linux distro" by noobs and marketting |
| 22:13.06 | mib_9fs00m | luke, the kernal is what contols everthing, incuding the hardware |
| 22:13.12 | *** part/#maemo aloisiojr (n=aloisio@200.184.118.130) |
| 22:13.14 | Macer | luke-jr: =) you mean the masses? |
| 22:13.15 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you mean only the hardware |
| 22:13.17 | luke-jr | Macer: yes |
| 22:13.23 | Macer | case closed |
| 22:13.26 | luke-jr | but in reality |
| 22:13.31 | luke-jr | put a FreeBSD kernel in there |
| 22:13.40 | luke-jr | and as long as the hardware is supported, nobody will notice the difference |
| 22:13.47 | Macer | true |
| 22:14.05 | mib_9fs00m | supers users would noitce |
| 22:14.06 | Macer | most mac users dont know wtf a kernel is |
| 22:14.22 | Macer | they just know thei iphone and ipod work with their mac |
| 22:14.22 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: only kernel developers would notice |
| 22:14.25 | luke-jr | not even superusers |
| 22:14.27 | *** part/#maemo vivijim (n=vivijim@unaffiliated/vivijim) |
| 22:14.43 | Macer | luke-jr: yes they would |
| 22:14.53 | tank-man | thats cause users interact with programs, not system calls and apis |
| 22:14.56 | luke-jr | ok, superusers might *notice* if they have a reason to go poking around with kernel modules |
| 22:15.05 | mib_9fs00m | linux is better than windows, and osx, is better than them all |
| 22:15.12 | luke-jr | but that indicates a hardware problem, which was an already asserted "not a problem" |
| 22:15.24 | luke-jr | tank-man: exactly |
| 22:15.29 | Macer | strong users are attracted to powerful operating systems that offer the most bang for the hardware buck. they will research what makes it |
| 22:15.37 | mib_9fs00m | luke what o/s do you like? |
| 22:15.47 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I don't like any. They all suck. |
| 22:15.49 | luke-jr | I use Gentoo and Debian. |
| 22:15.51 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 22:15.56 | luke-jr | with KDE on desktop. |
| 22:15.57 | MiskaX | as long as kernel implements suitable syscalls for implementing POSIX things are pretty fine... |
| 22:15.59 | mib_9fs00m | thats lnux, thenn |
| 22:16.11 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: both Gentoo and Debian support using a FreeBSD kernel |
| 22:16.14 | Macer | mib_9fs00m: osx is nice, but i dont care much for stock aqua |
| 22:16.17 | mib_9fs00m | i use, ubuntu, with compiz fussion, so there |
| 22:16.23 | Macer | lol |
| 22:16.23 | *** part/#maemo stv0 (n=steffen@dslb-084-058-201-220.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:16.28 | `0660 | :P |
| 22:16.31 | Macer | kde + kwin isnt too bad |
| 22:16.40 | luke-jr | Macer: Plasma is pissing me off |
| 22:16.46 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 22:17.01 | Macer | personally i like it more than aqua |
| 22:17.04 | luke-jr | and KDEPIM is pure idiocy |
| 22:17.14 | luke-jr | Macer: Plasma's problem isn't UI, it's RAM bloat |
| 22:17.20 | Macer | i'l give you that one ;) |
| 22:17.28 | Macer | the kdepim |
| 22:17.30 | luke-jr | Macer: plasma is THE biggest memory eater on my N810 |
| 22:17.35 | mib_9fs00m | you need 3d hardware, to use compiz fussion, case closed |
| 22:17.38 | Macer | as far as bloat goes.. who cares? |
| 22:17.42 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: Compiz is useless crap |
| 22:17.50 | Macer | enviroments go along with capable hardware |
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| 22:18.36 | luke-jr | Macer: 128 MB of RAM isn't enough to afford bloat |
| 22:18.37 | Macer | a 1tb hdd is like $130? |
| 22:18.37 | Macer | 4G of ram? |
| 22:18.38 | mib_9fs00m | yes, you need atleast 512mb gddr3 |
| 22:18.38 | Macer | less than $100? |
| 22:18.38 | luke-jr | Macer: 4G of RAM installed in a handheld would be far more than $100 |
| 22:18.47 | luke-jr | is someone here capable of kicking mib_9fs00m? |
| 22:18.47 | Macer | well. handhelds are a different story |
| 22:19.05 | Macer | which is why i called portables the niche market |
| 22:19.16 | Macer | linus does have quite a foothold on it |
| 22:19.23 | Macer | linux (damnit) |
| 22:19.34 | mib_9fs00m | nokia should stick to phones, and leave the tablet to people who know what there doing |
| 22:19.51 | Macer | ok. now that was just ignorant |
| 22:19.56 | *** join/#maemo parigaudi (n=oli@dip-112-087.bras.dsl.breisnet.com) |
| 22:19.56 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: as much as the N810 sucks, the only thing I've ever seen better in the market was a Zaurus |
| 22:19.58 | parigaudi | hi |
| 22:20.01 | luke-jr | and Sharp stopped making them |
| 22:20.10 | mib_9fs00m | lo, ha ha |
| 22:20.18 | Macer | pfft. neetons! |
| 22:20.22 | mib_9fs00m | you joking right |
| 22:20.23 | Macer | newtons |
| 22:20.28 | Macer | =) |
| 22:20.32 | luke-jr | and with my idea/patent, a SmartQ is quite competitive |
| 22:20.55 | Macer | nokia needs to do something with symbian and fast |
| 22:20.57 | parigaudi | i'm just installing a maemo sdk on a recent kubuntu, and now read that there might be problems with the xephyr x server on that distro? |
| 22:20.57 | mib_9fs00m | i prefer the teaxas intrusments scienttific calc |
| 22:21.03 | parigaudi | jaunty that is? |
| 22:21.07 | Macer | they are letting it get left behind |
| 22:21.13 | luke-jr | parigaudi: forget Maemo :þ |
| 22:21.27 | mib_9fs00m | how can you install gentoo on n810 |
| 22:21.28 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: SmartQ is cheaper than the N810, get one |
| 22:21.36 | parigaudi | luke-jr: and what would i use instead |
| 22:21.37 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: the same way I install Gentoo on my desktop |
| 22:21.39 | tank-man | mib_9fs00m, maybe in a chroot |
| 22:21.41 | luke-jr | parigaudi: Gentoo or Mae |
| 22:21.44 | luke-jr | Mer* |
| 22:21.51 | Macer | parigaudi: you might want to wait around for johnx or stskeeps. |
| 22:22.01 | Macer | they do the mer stuff |
| 22:22.07 | mib_9fs00m | ok, thanks |
| 22:22.12 | luke-jr | parigaudi: if you can handle Gentoo, I can help with that ;) |
| 22:22.25 | mib_9fs00m | can you get 3d working |
| 22:22.26 | jaska | no kbd on those :( |
| 22:22.33 | luke-jr | jaska: hence my patent |
| 22:22.47 | luke-jr | jaska: Bluetooth keyboard attachment to turn it into a clamshell |
| 22:23.06 | parigaudi | thx Macer and luke-jr |
| 22:23.09 | mib_9fs00m | im going to smash my n810 with hammer, and post in you tube ! |
| 22:23.15 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: so much for 200gbp |
| 22:23.16 | Macer | lol |
| 22:23.24 | Macer | have fun =) |
| 22:23.28 | luke-jr | parigaudi: http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 |
| 22:23.28 | mib_9fs00m | i will |
| 22:23.39 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I would much prefer giving you money to ship it to me |
| 22:23.44 | Macer | bbl. going to work on something. my son is taking a nap! |
| 22:23.53 | mib_9fs00m | how much would you pay |
| 22:23.58 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: shipping |
| 22:23.59 | mib_9fs00m | its 2 days old |
| 22:24.17 | tank-man | 2days old, lol return it to the store and take any restocking fee incured |
| 22:24.25 | mib_9fs00m | i will accept 80gbp for it |
| 22:24.29 | tank-man | and stop bitching |
| 22:24.34 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I won't spend 80gbp on a N810 |
| 22:24.48 | luke-jr | 80gbp could get me a new SmartQ |
| 22:24.53 | mib_9fs00m | is that becuase its crap device |
| 22:24.56 | luke-jr | yes |
| 22:25.07 | mib_9fs00m | so why are you defending it |
| 22:25.13 | luke-jr | I'm not. :þ |
| 22:25.29 | mib_9fs00m | im getting hammer, ready |
| 22:25.40 | Stskeeps | troll, heh |
| 22:25.59 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you'd rather smash it than accept 10gbp? |
| 22:26.16 | parigaudi | ahm actually what i need is just an easy way to build qt apps for my n810 |
| 22:26.28 | luke-jr | parigaudi: yeah, I do that on my N810 |
| 22:26.29 | luke-jr | :þ |
| 22:26.38 | mib_9fs00m | luke you need n810. why |
| 22:26.55 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I don't need another one. |
| 22:27.07 | luke-jr | but for 10gbp + shipping, maybe my wife can play with one |
| 22:27.08 | mib_9fs00m | someone said they needed it |
| 22:27.14 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 22:27.19 | lbt | parigaudi: 'easy' or fast? |
| 22:27.42 | mib_9fs00m | im sure your wife can find something else to play with, |
| 22:28.06 | parigaudi | lbt: could you tell me more about both options before i have to choose? |
| 22:28.21 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: yeah, I have just the thing! |
| 22:28.27 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
| 22:28.48 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: but if you want 10gbp for the N810, she can have that too |
| 22:28.51 | luke-jr | if not, np |
| 22:28.58 | mib_9fs00m | i m going to smah it tiny pieces and then mail it back to nokia |
| 22:28.58 | lbt | Mer has a builder which you could use. It's qemu based and works on Ubuntu. The binaries/debs are fine on Diablo. |
| 22:29.22 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: that's like negative 10gbp |
| 22:29.31 | lbt | there's no xephyr |
| 22:29.39 | mib_9fs00m | 10gbp is nothing |
| 22:29.44 | mib_9fs00m | sorry |
| 22:29.47 | lbt | so if you want to debug / run too then it's no good |
| 22:29.54 | lbt | mib_9fs00m: £12.50 |
| 22:30.06 | luke-jr | aww, outbid |
| 22:30.13 | mib_9fs00m | 80gbp, and you can have it |
| 22:30.16 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: 10gbp is 20gbp more than negative 10gbp |
| 22:30.40 | lbt | £12.50 + a Zaurus |
| 22:30.44 | luke-jr | lbt: @*($&(@#* |
| 22:30.50 | mib_9fs00m | i could ebay it, let some other poor sod suffer |
| 22:30.52 | luke-jr | which Zaurus is that, BTW? |
| 22:31.05 | tank-man | can you trust a troll to mail you the n810 after you send money tho :) |
| 22:31.06 | lbt | it has a blue suede case!! |
| 22:31.13 | mib_9fs00m | wow really |
| 22:31.22 | luke-jr | tank-man: I'm glad for PayPal disputes in this case. |
| 22:31.37 | luke-jr | lbt: which Zaurus is that, BTW? |
| 22:31.48 | lbt | original and best! |
| 22:31.54 | luke-jr | original..? |
| 22:31.55 | lbt | 5500..... SL |
| 22:31.56 | mib_9fs00m | im going to feel much better, whith the hammer approach |
| 22:31.57 | luke-jr | OMFG |
| 22:31.59 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 22:32.01 | luke-jr | ancient |
| 22:32.17 | lbt | parigaudi: ping me tomorrow if you like |
| 22:32.29 | parigaudi | ok thx |
| 22:32.39 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: and be out 200gbp |
| 22:32.39 | mib_9fs00m | right on the screen nokia logo, |
| 22:32.48 | luke-jr | 210gbp after you ship it to Nokia |
| 22:33.07 | luke-jr | sell it to me for 10gbp and get off with only 190gbp loss! |
| 22:33.13 | mib_9fs00m | luke if you want it, 80gbp, and its yours |
| 22:33.20 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it isn't worth 80gbp |
| 22:33.23 | mib_9fs00m | i paid 200gbp for it |
| 22:33.27 | luke-jr | like I said, I could get a new SmartQ for 80gbp |
| 22:33.36 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: not my fault you got ripped off |
| 22:33.40 | mib_9fs00m | what is smart Q |
| 22:33.49 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: SmartQ is what the N800 was supposed to be |
| 22:34.10 | mib_9fs00m | does it have 3d hardware, that it used |
| 22:34.25 | luke-jr | it has 3D hardware, but there's no drivers yet |
| 22:34.31 | luke-jr | but the spec is open, so it seems likely |
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| 22:34.35 | mib_9fs00m | lol, same thing |
| 22:34.49 | luke-jr | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/03/smartq5ubuntu-1.jpg |
| 22:34.59 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: PowerVR spec is not available, so nobody can write drivers |
| 22:35.01 | luke-jr | except TI |
| 22:35.09 | mib_9fs00m | why isnt it available |
| 22:35.14 | luke-jr | TI won't share it |
| 22:35.20 | luke-jr | SmartQ's spec is open, so anyone can write a driver |
| 22:35.36 | mib_9fs00m | Ti, so why did they make the dam chip |
| 22:35.49 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: TI wants a lot more $$$ to use 3D |
| 22:35.56 | luke-jr | or somethign stupid like that |
| 22:36.02 | mib_9fs00m | and nokia, wont pay |
| 22:36.16 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: ever wonder why the N810 is cheaper than the iPhone |
| 22:36.17 | luke-jr | ? |
| 22:36.26 | mib_9fs00m | ok, im getting th hammer ! |
| 22:36.26 | Stskeeps | reason why maemo doesnt have 3d in 4.0 is simple |
| 22:36.29 | Stskeeps | gpl |
| 22:36.49 | Stskeeps | thats why we cant have nice things |
| 22:37.00 | luke-jr | GPL is inherent in nice things |
| 22:37.06 | luke-jr | well, not really |
| 22:37.09 | luke-jr | but the terms |
| 22:37.16 | luke-jr | if it isn't open, it might as well not exist |
| 22:38.17 | Stskeeps | yeah, and i am looking forward to open 3d kernel driver |
| 22:38.17 | mib_9fs00m | the n8XX will have 3d hardware, and it used the same chip |
| 22:38.18 | mib_9fs00m | so what the deal there? |
| 22:38.18 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: ? |
| 22:38.18 | luke-jr | you mean the N900? |
| 22:38.21 | luke-jr | it doesn't use teh same chip |
| 22:38.27 | mib_9fs00m | the nest N810, will have 3d hardware |
| 22:38.31 | mib_9fs00m | next |
| 22:38.35 | luke-jr | it doesn't use the same chip |
| 22:38.43 | luke-jr | RX-51 is OMAP *3* |
| 22:38.45 | mib_9fs00m | what chip will it use |
| 22:38.48 | luke-jr | N810 is OMAP *2) |
| 22:39.06 | mib_9fs00m | but its still the same chip, just newer model |
| 22:39.10 | Stskeeps | nop |
| 22:39.13 | Stskeeps | mbx vs sgx |
| 22:39.18 | luke-jr | um, no |
| 22:39.29 | luke-jr | "newer model" means "entirely different chip" in many cases |
| 22:39.34 | mib_9fs00m | is this chip open |
| 22:39.37 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 22:39.44 | luke-jr | heck, even "same model" could be entirely different for some things |
| 22:39.48 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: it is? |
| 22:40.06 | Stskeeps | in terms of oss kernel driver, closed libraries supporting gl es |
| 22:40.12 | mib_9fs00m | dam, i should have waited |
| 22:40.31 | luke-jr | sigh, X11 should be GPL too :/ |
| 22:40.45 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: anyhow, I took that as teh chip being open (spec) |
| 22:40.50 | luke-jr | you're just talking 3D driver |
| 22:40.53 | Stskeeps | but i could argue with luke-jr all night about definition of open |
| 22:41.01 | mib_9fs00m | this is all bollox, n810 should use the all the hardware avialable to it |
| 22:41.07 | Stskeeps | bbl sleep |
| 22:41.12 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: I agree, but it doesn't. |
| 22:41.31 | mib_9fs00m | thats such a shame, |
| 22:41.41 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: consider yourself one of many people who regrets their purchase |
| 22:41.43 | Stskeeps | mib_9fs00m: why cant i use 3d in linux on iphone? |
| 22:42.07 | mib_9fs00m | iphone has got 3d hardware, which is used |
| 22:42.29 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: while I'm not happy with the N810, I am at least trying to do something with it, so if you can't find a use, I wouldn't mind taking yours for a reasonable price |
| 22:42.45 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, iphone sucks, its so low resolution |
| 22:42.55 | luke-jr | but it's not very usable and I don't need it, so "reasonable" is currently 10gbp :þ |
| 22:43.02 | mib_9fs00m | have you seen how good the GUI looks |
| 22:43.18 | Stskeeps | its kinda simplistic |
| 22:43.22 | lcuk | yeah, like i said though i love the ui on my 810 |
| 22:43.31 | Stskeeps | i like my xterm. |
| 22:43.41 | luke-jr | I don't mind console mode, but KDE is nice |
| 22:43.44 | mib_9fs00m | really, its the worst GUI i have ever seen |
| 22:43.47 | lcuk | smart, quick intuitive and not one bit of real 3d in sight |
| 22:43.53 | Stskeeps | and not having to jailbreak |
| 22:44.05 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: actually, I do like Hildon's GUI |
| 22:44.12 | mib_9fs00m | if you could jailbreak the dam n810, i would |
| 22:44.12 | luke-jr | just not the implementation |
| 22:44.15 | parigaudi | in the communication section of the app manager, i find openssh-server, openssh-client and openssh. what is the openssh package if the server and client are in different packages? |
| 22:44.20 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, you have root |
| 22:44.25 | lcuk | wtf do you need jailbreak for? |
| 22:44.26 | tank-man | jailbreak the n810? |
| 22:44.28 | luke-jr | lcuk: not by default |
| 22:44.37 | mib_9fs00m | one good thing about n810, is the VPN and RDP |
| 22:44.38 | lcuk | oh sorry, open the extras repo |
| 22:44.44 | luke-jr | parigaudi: 'openssh' is a metapkg depending on both |
| 22:44.44 | Stskeeps | dude, rootsh |
| 22:44.57 | parigaudi | oh ok thx luke-jr |
| 22:45.06 | Stskeeps | its really open to hacking |
| 22:45.17 | luke-jr | unless you want to use the GPS |
| 22:45.17 | mib_9fs00m | i thought it was closed |
| 22:45.22 | Stskeeps | no |
| 22:45.23 | tank-man | nokia gives you a tool to flash and toggle r&d mode for root |
| 22:45.41 | mib_9fs00m | r&d whats that? |
| 22:45.49 | Noma | research & development |
| 22:46.03 | mib_9fs00m | mmmmmmmmmmmm ok |
| 22:46.04 | Stskeeps | heck, how would luke-jr run gentoo on it if it was closed? |
| 22:46.04 | Macer | wtf |
| 22:46.16 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I jailbroke |
| 22:46.41 | mib_9fs00m | im going to look on youtube, and see how gentoo runs,on n810 |
| 22:46.46 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 22:46.52 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: you won't find anythin on YouTube |
| 22:47.03 | luke-jr | there's only 3 people who have got Gentoo on N8x0 |
| 22:47.03 | mib_9fs00m | why not |
| 22:47.09 | luke-jr | and only 2 on N810 |
| 22:47.17 | mib_9fs00m | why so few |
| 22:47.18 | luke-jr | and none of us have bothered for YouTube |
| 22:47.23 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it's not simple to do |
| 22:47.32 | luke-jr | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0 <-- instructions |
| 22:48.12 | mib_9fs00m | NO sound, wtf is that good for |
| 22:48.22 | mib_9fs00m | cant even listen to music |
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| 22:48.31 | luke-jr | actually, I got sound working |
| 22:48.36 | luke-jr | but then keyboard doesn't work :< |
| 22:48.38 | lcuk | mib_9fs00m, do you troll the lego forums complaining that the blocks dont come in the shape of houses and trains? |
| 22:48.40 | mib_9fs00m | lol |
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| 22:48.56 | luke-jr | might have sound+keyboard in a few minutes actually |
| 22:49.03 | luke-jr | waiting for kdelibs to finish installing first |
| 22:49.19 | mib_9fs00m | this device is really rubbish, im not going to buy the n900, once bitten , twice shy |
| 22:49.35 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: like I said, grab a SmartQ ⺠|
| 22:50.03 | mib_9fs00m | yes, still not 3d hardware on smar q |
| 22:50.20 | luke-jr | it has the hardware, just nobody wrote drivers YET |
| 22:50.26 | luke-jr | but I think inevitable |
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| 22:50.35 | luke-jr | Stskeeps even has discounts for someone who will do it |
| 22:50.52 | luke-jr | Stskeeps: I do presume a competent person writing 3D drivers is guaranteed one :þ |
| 22:51.06 | mib_9fs00m | i think the best device is wifi- somthing, aquous |
| 22:51.38 | mib_9fs00m | what its called? |
| 22:51.42 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: If 3D is your ultimate requirement, RX-51/Rover will do it |
| 22:52.08 | mib_9fs00m | im not just after 3d, i want 3d, and good GUI, with lots of apps |
| 22:52.46 | luke-jr | Jaffa: will RX-51 do full (more than ES) OpenGL? |
| 22:53.16 | mib_9fs00m | openGl is pretty much all you need |
| 22:53.17 | Jaffa | luke-jr: No, but there's talk of a (limited) wrapper |
| 22:53.32 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: iPhone doesn't support OpenGL |
| 22:53.46 | mib_9fs00m | iphone has its own 3d drivers |
| 22:53.54 | luke-jr | OpenGL ES |
| 22:54.01 | luke-jr | not full OpenGL |
| 22:54.03 | mib_9fs00m | its doesnt need need opengl |
| 22:54.11 | luke-jr | you're an idiot |
| 22:54.17 | Noma | troll |
| 22:54.24 | luke-jr | nothing needs OpenGL except game consoles |
| 22:54.43 | mib_9fs00m | windows can use open GL |
| 22:54.50 | luke-jr | Windows is crap |
| 22:54.54 | tank-man | mib_9fs00m, go buy an itouch or iphone and get it over with. you know you want it |
| 22:55.03 | mib_9fs00m | ive got one |
| 22:55.04 | luke-jr | haha |
| 22:55.23 | Noma | how about installing gentoo on iphone and making a video about it on youtube? |
| 22:55.33 | mib_9fs00m | i thought the nokia n810 was somthing really good |
| 22:55.33 | luke-jr | Noma: get me an iPhone and I will |
| 22:55.48 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: it's better than iPhone at least |
| 22:55.50 | mib_9fs00m | i belived all the hype |
| 22:56.04 | mib_9fs00m | noway, how can you even think that |
| 22:56.09 | tank-man | hype? lol ive yet to see a commercial on tv for n810 |
| 22:56.31 | mib_9fs00m | just look on nokia n810 homepage |
| 22:56.32 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: because iPhone is even worse |
| 22:57.04 | mib_9fs00m | iphone is much better than n810, |
| 22:57.21 | tank-man | thanks for the info |
| 22:57.27 | mib_9fs00m | even the ipod 80gb is better |
| 22:57.56 | mib_9fs00m | n810 has the slowest GUI ever, it crashes, it is very slow, |
| 22:58.56 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: What was better 3 years ago? |
| 22:59.07 | mib_9fs00m | if anyone think n810 is better device than iphone, i would have to disagree |
| 22:59.12 | luke-jr | http://www.iphonelinux.org/ <-- status of Linux on iPhone |
| 22:59.23 | tank-man | mib_9fs00m, n810 isnt a phone duh |
| 22:59.51 | mib_9fs00m | iphone doesnt need linux, it is using all hardware to it full pottential |
| 23:00.04 | mib_9fs00m | thats all i want the n810 to do |
| 23:00.46 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: iPhoneOS is closed, and therefore might as well not exist |
| 23:00.59 | luke-jr | actually |
| 23:01.04 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: The only thing not being used on the N810s h/w is the PowerVR |
| 23:01.06 | mib_9fs00m | iphone can be jailbroken, |
| 23:01.06 | luke-jr | iPhone looks like it has the same SoC as the SmartQ |
| 23:01.17 | luke-jr | Jaffa: and GPS, for practical purposes! |
| 23:01.21 | mib_9fs00m | it has 1000;s of free apps |
| 23:01.27 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: gratis, not free |
| 23:01.37 | mib_9fs00m | most of them are |
| 23:01.41 | parigaudi | 3~3~a propos phone: what's the sip client you would recommend for n810? |
| 23:01.45 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Running your gpsdriver, perhaps. WFM |
| 23:01.53 | mib_9fs00m | luke do you have iphone |
| 23:02.00 | mib_9fs00m | have you ever used one |
| 23:02.38 | luke-jr | nope |
| 23:02.43 | mib_9fs00m | it uses, a very sophicated package manager |
| 23:02.49 | Noma | i have used iphone for a week, and i can tell you i wouldn't change my n810 to it |
| 23:02.54 | luke-jr | mib_9fs00m: if I don't have the source, it is worthless |
| 23:02.59 | Noma | or i would, but then i'd sell the iphone and buy another n810 |
| 23:03.37 | Jaffa | looks forward to having the accelerometers and 3d h/w for some simple fun games (a la Cube racer) |
| 23:03.40 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:04.00 | mib_9fs00m | well you might, but i think the iphone is the device that all other manufactures try to emulate |
| 23:04.07 | luke-jr | Jaffa: Nokia should hire me to write a real Location/Network framework XD |
| 23:04.48 | luke-jr | Jaffa: or hire someone to do it, anyhow, doesn't need to be me I guess |
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| 23:05.08 | luke-jr | it should triangulate APs and plan to do fly-by data exchanges ;) |
| 23:05.13 | Jaffa | mib_9fs00m: Perhaps. The App Store has been succesful; so imagine something 2x powerful in an open source ecosystem |
| 23:05.42 | Noma | nokia's marketing managers answer to a journalist that asked about iphone selling over one million devices sometime ago is the best answer i've heard recently: "well, we have sold the same amount of phones today after the lunch" |
| 23:05.59 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Loc. framework in fremantle's sparkly and new (and uses cell towers for AGPS) |
| 23:06.20 | mib_9fs00m | you guys are all brainwashed |
| 23:06.27 | luke-jr | but does it plan out WiFi access? |
| 23:06.35 | mib_9fs00m | fuck nokia, this divice is pile of shit |
| 23:06.38 | mib_9fs00m | bye ! |
| 23:06.44 | Jaffa | Noma: Yeah, but that misses the point in the iPhone's success. It can't be quite so easily dismissed |
| 23:06.55 | luke-jr | so when it knows I've driving near an AP (it's navigating!), it counts down, connects, grabs any IMs waiting, and sends any IMs I have pending |
| 23:07.34 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Whilst going past at 30mph? Doubt it. Would be cool. |
| 23:07.45 | luke-jr | Jaffa: 60 mph ;) |
| 23:07.52 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Nokia's answer would be always-on data via HSPA |
| 23:07.53 | luke-jr | that's why it needs to plan it out |
| 23:08.00 | luke-jr | begin transmitting even before it gets beacons |
| 23:08.21 | luke-jr | oh, true, I guess that negates the AP exchange purpose to some degree |
| 23:08.23 | luke-jr | >_< |
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| 23:08.57 | luke-jr | Jaffa: any idea if Nokia can get us a decent data plan from some provider? |
| 23:09.04 | luke-jr | eg, no stupid 5 GB limit |
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| 23:09.04 | Jaffa | Hmm, can imagine a few problems (knowing limits of range vs. AP location), WPA key exchange etc. |
| 23:09.13 | luke-jr | so we can run X11 apps remotely |
| 23:09.14 | Noma | luke-jr: move to finland;) |
| 23:09.31 | luke-jr | Jaffa: if there's WPA, chances are you can't just use it at random :þ |
| 23:09.46 | Jaffa | luke-jr: No idea. The leak seemed to suggest a partnership with T-Mobile, but it'd still be "fair usage policy applies", I guess |
| 23:10.03 | luke-jr | Noma: can't, prisoner |
| 23:10.09 | Jaffa | luke-jr: I was assuming you meant an AP you were authed to |
| 23:10.13 | luke-jr | Jaffa: aren't you with Nokia? |
| 23:10.30 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Nope |
| 23:10.40 | luke-jr | wonder how I confused that |
| 23:10.51 | luke-jr | oh, maybe your bug-note attempt to justify closed GPS <.< |
| 23:10.58 | Jaffa | Member of the community council, but have no financial relationship to Nokia |
| 23:11.56 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Not justify it being closed (tho' think it's TI); just saying you can't blame Nokia (too much) if you change the shipped gpsdriver and then it works less well |
| 23:12.23 | luke-jr | Jaffa: I can blame Nokia for forcing me to change it blindly. |
| 23:12.48 | luke-jr | if I wasn't blinded, I could do a much better job fixing it up |
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| 23:13.52 | Jaffa | nods |
| 23:14.00 | luke-jr | Jaffa: the unmodified gpsdriver won't work outside of Maemo, not even on Mer |
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| 23:18.25 | lcuk | Jaffa, wifi if in range, otherwise cell |
| 23:18.28 | lcuk | would love that tbh |
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| 23:18.46 | luke-jr | happen to know the git cmd for "undo"? |
| 23:19.01 | lcuk | git reset --force i think lol |
| 23:19.27 | lcuk | that should roll back to the point of last something or other |
| 23:19.51 | lcuk | ahh --hard |
| 23:20.12 | lcuk | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-reset.html |
| 23:20.19 | luke-jr | thx |
| 23:20.57 | luke-jr | this is why I prefer bzr ;) |
| 23:21.07 | luke-jr | commands are more logical |
| 23:22.43 | lcuk | luke-jr, always going forwards, just dont make changes that need rolling back :P |
| 23:23.17 | luke-jr | lcuk: I was going to rename the gconf USE flag to agps, then realized there are multiple agps functions :þ |
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| 23:29.15 | Jaffa | luke-jr: Yes, I know about gpsdriver on Mer |
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