| 00:00.55 | GeneralAntilles | sees geneven's paranoia is showing more than usual. |
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| 00:03.53 | hub | qwerty12_N800: thanks at least for the hints |
| 00:04.51 | qwerty12_N800 | np, glad you figured it out & sorted it |
| 00:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ah, the idiocy. |
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| 00:09.05 | lcuk | give me strength! |
| 00:09.16 | lcuk | i am trying to build some gnu tools on the device |
| 00:09.20 | lcuk | autoconf being one |
| 00:09.25 | lcuk | which needs a decent grep |
| 00:09.29 | lcuk | so i got gnu grep |
| 00:09.46 | lcuk | and this happens in the configure script for it: |
| 00:09.46 | lcuk | checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... configure: error: no acceptable grep could be found in /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/xpg4/bin |
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| 00:48.10 | z4chh | http://blog.zachhabersang.com/?p=79 |
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| 00:50.15 | jophish | I hope Nokia updates their touchscreens, because Resistance is futile! |
| 00:50.36 | Firebird | nope, not happening |
| 00:50.38 | neostrider | hey folks |
| 00:51.04 | Firebird | jophish, resistive touch offers more accuracy though |
| 00:51.20 | jophish | I was making a joke about z4chh's link |
| 00:51.24 | Firebird | heh |
| 00:51.35 | jophish | :D |
| 00:52.09 | neostrider | anyone doing "Mer" around here? |
| 00:52.16 | z4chh | joelmaher, nice joke ;p |
| 00:52.19 | neostrider | (or any other alternative OS on the tablets?) |
| 00:53.11 | jophish | neostrider, you might want to try #mer |
| 00:53.24 | jophish | I see your already there |
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| 01:28.08 | wjs_ltop | Hello people.. I've finally gotten around to messing with getting A2DP working again after the last flash update. Now I'm wondering about AVRCP |
| 01:28.31 | wjs_ltop | I haven't found an a2dpd that was mentioned in older posts, is it no longer used? |
| 01:29.06 | wjs_ltop | One of the posts in the johnx thread mentioned a kernel module found and loaded, but never mentioned where. |
| 01:29.58 | neostrider | whats the root password? |
| 01:30.07 | wjs_ltop | I'd post this in the forums, but my posting privledges are nonexistant since the move from internettablittalk |
| 01:36.17 | Macer | they changed the domain name? :) |
| 01:36.38 | Macer | that kinda sucks. |
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| 01:56.12 | skibur | I see ubuntu 9.04 on the Catalogues, but no apps. |
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| 02:10.57 | wjs_ltop | we are on 3.28 |
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| 02:16.42 | Macer | a fang banger hahaha |
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| 03:08.40 | skibur | do I use # to comment out deb links in .list? |
| 03:08.48 | zakkm | yup |
| 03:08.50 | zakkm | skibur: yup |
| 03:08.54 | skibur | thanks |
| 03:09.17 | skibur | making sure |
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| 03:18.48 | zakkm | probably not |
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| 06:05.46 | mib_hux90a | why there is no function pointer named gtk_calendar_realize in gtk class gtdcalendar. |
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| 06:07.15 | mib_hux90a | i find the api reference,but i can't find out |
| 06:07.15 | mib_hux90a | it is a function pointer i should modify in my class. |
| 06:07.31 | mib_hux90a | is there anybody who can help me? |
| 06:10.47 | Proteous | everyone is alseeeeeppp |
| 06:10.51 | Proteous | asleep even |
| 06:11.00 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
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| 06:11.22 | Proteous | everyone is having morning cooffeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 06:11.36 | Myrtti | Proteous: snap out of it |
| 06:11.50 | Proteous | is going to make coconut macarooooooonnnsssss |
| 06:12.25 | Proteous | easiest cookie ever but still tasty |
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| 06:13.03 | Proteous | equal parts by weight of coconut and condensed milk, a little salt and a few beaten egg whites DONE |
| 06:13.17 | Proteous | well, you have to cook them for a bit |
| 06:13.42 | Proteous | and maybe melt some chocolate and dip them if you want to go the extra mile |
| 06:13.47 | Proteous | which I do |
| 06:13.54 | Proteous | cause that's just how I roll |
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| 06:14.35 | Proteous | I roll, you know, the extra mile, cause, yeah, I shut my engine off to conserver gas, and well, it's downhill anyway.... |
| 06:14.59 | Proteous | I also seem to add extra RRRRs to things randomly |
| 06:15.19 | Proteous | so watch out for that |
| 06:15.26 | Proteous | hide your children |
| 06:15.33 | Proteous | extra RRRs on the prowl |
| 06:15.37 | jaska | arr |
| 06:15.43 | Proteous | tiver me shimbers |
| 06:15.49 | RXrenesis8 | the prrrowl |
| 06:15.54 | Proteous | heh |
| 06:18.41 | Macer | hm |
| 06:20.02 | mib_hux90a | why there is no function pointer named gtk_calendar_realize in gtk class gtdcalendar |
| 06:20.47 | inz | why would there be? |
| 06:21.21 | mib_hux90a | i think the class shoud contain it,and i can modify and implement different function. |
| 06:22.04 | inz | The class has realize method, for sure, but you don't need to know the function name to override it |
| 06:24.32 | mib_hux90a | will it show in class |
| 06:27.34 | inz | What do you want to do? |
| 06:28.04 | mib_hux90a | i can't find g_object_class discription in gtk+ api reference.who can help me find? |
| 06:28.22 | mib_hux90a | i want to realize a method |
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| 06:28.36 | inz | It's in GLib API reference |
| 06:28.44 | inz | What do you mean realize a method? |
| 06:29.27 | mib_hux90a | i want to modify parent class function and implement my function |
| 06:29.58 | mib_hux90a | the parent class should provide the function pointer,but i can't find it |
| 06:30.17 | inz | So you want to override a method and call the parent implementation from yours? |
| 06:30.30 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
| 06:30.48 | mib_hux90a | i find in api reference,but i can't find |
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| 06:31.27 | mib_hux90a | i am reading code sample about input-method-plugins |
| 06:32.41 | mib_hux90a | for example,i should modify gwidgetclass function pointer named realize |
| 06:33.17 | mib_hux90a | can you find it in gtk+ api reference 5.0 |
| 06:34.14 | mib_hux90a | himExample_vkb_class_init (HimExampleVKBClass *klass) |
| 06:34.17 | thux | morning |
| 06:34.19 | inz | Normally in GObjects you store pointer to the parent class in a static global in your class_init (you can get the parent class with g_type_class_peek_parent(); |
| 06:34.48 | mib_hux90a | yeah. |
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| 06:35.14 | inz | And then you do GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(parent_class)->realize(self); in your implementation of realize |
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| 06:35.37 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
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| 06:36.03 | inz | Where would you need gtk_calendar_realize here? |
| 06:36.36 | mib_hux90a | that is just a example |
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| 06:37.45 | mib_hux90a | what i want to find is the realize function pointer in GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(parent_class)->realize(self) |
| 06:38.09 | mib_hux90a | i want to the location of realize pointer |
| 06:38.33 | mib_hux90a | where is the location of realize pointer? |
| 06:39.00 | inz | Why do you need it? |
| 06:39.36 | inz | To function pointer is GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(parent_class)->realize; |
| 06:39.38 | mib_hux90a | i want to realize my own function |
| 06:39.59 | inz | You don't need the function pointer for that |
| 06:40.12 | mib_hux90a | why? |
| 06:40.18 | inz | Why would you? |
| 06:40.43 | mib_hux90a | why i don't need it ? |
| 06:41.12 | mib_hux90a | i think the api should provide me with it |
| 06:41.40 | mib_hux90a | widget_class->realize = realize_cb |
| 06:41.50 | mib_hux90a | you see this line |
| 06:42.03 | inz | Yes |
| 06:42.12 | mib_hux90a | the realize_cb is my own function name |
| 06:42.23 | inz | True |
| 06:42.50 | mib_hux90a | it can realize my function,but i want to know the location of realize |
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| 06:43.04 | inz | What? |
| 06:43.09 | inz | Erm, why? |
| 06:43.49 | mib_hux90a | the realize should be the parent function,is it right? |
| 06:44.06 | mib_hux90a | the parent class function. |
| 06:44.16 | inz | If you don't want to implement your own realize, just remove the line |
| 06:44.29 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
| 06:44.45 | inz | And only the parent gets called |
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| 06:45.14 | mib_hux90a | i think this is just one of the interface function |
| 06:45.52 | mib_hux90a | but i should know where i can see the discription about it ? |
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| 06:47.55 | mib_hux90a | it is a member of gwidget class,is it right? |
| 06:48.01 | inz | GtkWdget, yes |
| 06:48.34 | inz | The documentation for gtk_widget_realize() should tell what the method is supposed to do |
| 06:49.59 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
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| 06:51.33 | mib_hux90a | but it is not a pointer |
| 06:52.03 | mib_hux90a | how i should modify it and make it point to my function name? |
| 06:53.11 | inz | You do the widget_class->realize = my_realize; thing you mentioned earlier |
| 06:53.14 | mib_hux90a | is there another realize method for gtdwidget which is a pointer? |
| 06:53.47 | mib_hux90a | yeah,i just can't understand this line clearly |
| 06:54.21 | mib_hux90a | where is the realize for gtkwidget class |
| 06:54.35 | inz | You don't need that either |
| 06:54.57 | inz | You just set your own realize and call the parent class's realize from your own implementation |
| 06:56.38 | mib_hux90a | where is g_object_class type conversion? |
| 06:56.39 | inz | i.e. your realize would look something like this: void my_realize(GtkWidget *widget) { GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(parent_class)->realize(widget); /* do your stuff here */ } |
| 06:57.04 | mib_hux90a | yeah |
| 06:57.52 | inz | mib, normally the headers provide the convenience macros for casting the classes |
| 06:58.05 | inz | But that's just for type safety, technically you could just cast them |
| 06:58.08 | mib_hux90a | where is the GTK_WIDGET_CLASS discription? |
| 06:58.43 | mib_hux90a | yeah ,i just can't find macros GTK_WIDGET_CLASS |
| 06:58.59 | mib_hux90a | In api reference |
| 06:59.13 | inz | Yeah, they're not documented |
| 06:59.21 | inz | You just assume it's there |
| 07:01.03 | mib_hux90a | thanks,inz and i want to find more useful parent_class funtion like realize |
| 07:01.19 | mib_hux90a | how to find the discription relative to it ? |
| 07:01.39 | inz | the best way to see the list of methods is to check the header |
| 07:02.11 | inz | The signal list for the class also works |
| 07:02.33 | mib_hux90a | is there no the method like realize in the api reference. |
| 07:04.05 | mib_hux90a | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/gtk/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget-struct |
| 07:04.35 | mib_hux90a | In this page,i can't find the realize's discription. |
| 07:04.49 | inz | mib, see gtk_widget_realize |
| 07:04.51 | mib_hux90a | this is api reference. |
| 07:04.57 | inz | yes, and it's bad |
| 07:05.01 | inz | mostly |
| 07:05.53 | mib_hux90a | gtk_widget_realize is the same as the 'realize' GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(parent_class)->realize(widget); |
| 07:06.24 | mib_hux90a | the twe realize means the same function |
| 07:06.51 | inz | Well, yeah |
| 07:06.55 | mib_hux90a | i am still not clear |
| 07:07.29 | inz | gtk_widget_realize(widget) will essentially do GTK_WIDGET_CLASS(G_OBJET_GET_CLASS(widget))->realize(widget); |
| 07:09.45 | mib_hux90a | you mean gtk_widget_realize(widget) just is a part of the later |
| 07:10.05 | inz | No, gtk_widget_realize will call the latter |
| 07:11.23 | inz | As C does not have class-paradigm, there's no way to conveniently call the method, so a convenience function is provided |
| 07:11.43 | Stskeeps | ok, n810 gps isn't 100% crap but it could be better :P |
| 07:11.46 | inz | But the convenience method usually describes what the real method does |
| 07:11.59 | inz | Sts, five-nines? |
| 07:12.25 | Stskeeps | more like it loses fix at odd times |
| 07:12.31 | Stskeeps | i'm fairly happy with it though |
| 07:12.46 | mib_hux90a | thanks inz. for giving me so much help |
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| 07:15.42 | Macer | i'm still watching true blood |
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| 07:26.04 | mib_hux90a | widget_class->expose_event = expose_cb; in this line, where is the expose event protype in gtk+ api reference docment |
| 07:27.24 | inz | mib, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/gtk/GtkWidget.html#GtkWidget-expose-event |
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| 07:28.48 | mib_hux90a | inz,thanks.i found it |
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| 07:33.03 | mavhc | has there been any conclusion about why the gps isn't that good? software, hardware? |
| 07:33.26 | Stskeeps_ | well, agps helps |
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| 07:34.30 | mavhc | I noticed tomtom has a thing to download "this week's satellite position predictions" from the internet |
| 07:35.33 | Stskeeps_ | isn't that essentially AGPS? :P |
| 07:36.11 | Myrtti | since when has NXXX been mainly for GPS anyway ;-) |
| 07:36.31 | Myrtti | it's a "nice to have" but I wouldn't call it the main feature of the thing |
| 07:36.38 | Myrtti | Numpty Physics is! |
| 07:36.40 | Myrtti | :-D |
| 07:36.42 | Myrtti | *grin* |
| 07:36.52 | Stskeeps_ | Myrtti: i wouldn't mind some location based apps |
| 07:37.26 | Myrtti | Stskeeps_: me neither, but I wouldn't buy it just for the sake of GPS |
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| 08:08.41 | Macer | i started to watch true blood and can't stop |
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| 08:13.20 | RST38h | Heh, looks like OpenGL is out of the question in Fremantle for now |
| 08:14.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: It always was? |
| 08:14.34 | X-Fade | RST38h: OpenGL-ES is supported by hardware, which isn't OpenGL. |
| 08:15.39 | X-Fade | Although my understanding is that porting an OpenGL 2 app to OpenGL-ES, should not be that hard. |
| 08:15.46 | X-Fade | But porting from 1.0 is. |
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| 08:16.34 | RST38h | X-Fade: No OpenGL ES either. |
| 08:17.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: You know that is not true ;) |
| 08:17.20 | X-Fade | There is just this compositing issue. |
| 08:18.43 | RST38h | X-Fade: If it is not fixed, the above statement is true |
| 08:19.22 | X-Fade | There is work being done in multiple places for that. It is about only being able to have one context? |
| 08:20.11 | X-Fade | RST38h: But Fremantle and a device aren't out yet, so this point is really not interesting yet. |
| 08:20.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: It is time to start whining already though =) |
| 08:21.10 | X-Fade | I'm sure Imagination ech is getting kicked already.. |
| 08:23.33 | RST38h | X-Fade: I do not think ImageTech is to blame |
| 08:23.52 | RST38h | X-Fade: For full-screen applications, the desktop should just surrender the context to the app |
| 08:24.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: true, although how would you show applicatin notifications on top? |
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| 08:26.29 | RST38h | X-Fade: You won't |
| 08:26.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: If the app takes over screen updates, it is agood hint to desktop to shut up |
| 08:26.50 | X-Fade | And that is probably not acceptable either. |
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| 08:27.29 | X-Fade | RST38h: If you have an incoming call for instance or you are running out of battery, you want something in your screen to notify you about it? |
| 08:27.54 | RST38h | X-Fade: for the call, I want the app suspended and the phone app started |
| 08:28.09 | RST38h | X-Fade: For *anything* else including the battery, I want he desktop to shut up. |
| 08:28.32 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ok, maybe an audio or LED warning about the battery. |
| 08:29.27 | X-Fade | In Fremantle all applications are essentially full screen apps. |
| 08:29.51 | RST38h | X-Fade: By full screen I mean real full screen |
| 08:30.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: as in DirectDraw "exclusive" screen mode, Symbian DirectScreen, Unix console ownership, etc |
| 08:31.05 | X-Fade | I'm not sure if, for these devices, we need to think about this desktop like paradigm of exclusively owning a screen. |
| 08:31.24 | RST38h | X-Fade: We should not. We should let app developers own the screen if they want to. |
| 08:31.36 | RST38h | X-Fade: Everybody else including Symbian/S60 does that. |
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| 08:32.10 | X-Fade | RST38h: But wouldn't that change the complete integrated experience? |
| 08:32.12 | RST38h | X-Fade: Excluding this ability will automatically cause a shitstorm from developers |
| 08:32.20 | RST38h | X-Fade: Well, it does not for the S60 phones |
| 08:32.48 | RST38h | X-Fade: Nor for Windows, where games often take over the screen |
| 08:33.30 | X-Fade | I wonder how we would consistently switch back to the desktop now there doesn't seem to be a home button anymore. |
| 08:33.52 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am sure there will be SOME button :) |
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| 08:34.36 | X-Fade | RST38h: Wasn't there on the developer device, which should have been feature complete for developers? :) |
| 08:35.43 | RST38h | No idea :) |
| 08:35.57 | RST38h | But it would be weird if Nokia released a completely buttonless device |
| 08:36.00 | RST38h | Not very nokia like |
| 08:36.27 | X-Fade | No, there were some buttons. But those were zoom, power and I think camera button. |
| 08:36.46 | keesj | I guess that the maximize button on top can now be used for that |
| 08:37.04 | X-Fade | keesj: Do you remember if that one was there? |
| 08:37.18 | keesj | there where some button there yes |
| 08:37.35 | X-Fade | Yeah, but exactly which ones ;) |
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| 08:37.47 | keesj | don't know sorry |
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| 08:49.18 | lcuk | there was a zoom button? |
| 08:49.20 | lcuk | ooohs |
| 08:49.44 | keesj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pf9FFojvjE (the Hacking week-end) |
| 08:49.51 | lcuk | and i pressed that camera button for all i was worth and prolly took pictures of the inside of the office |
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| 08:50.20 | lbt | there was +/- zoom |
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| 08:50.39 | lbt | IIRC there was one in the middle too |
| 08:50.45 | lcuk | on #7 or on all of em lol |
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| 08:51.00 | lbt | #7 was special |
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| 08:51.22 | lcuk | keesj, im quite proud of myself - ive nearly got autotools working on device :) |
| 08:51.34 | lcuk | you wasted an opportunity to have fun with #7 |
| 08:51.48 | lbt | I know :( |
| 08:51.48 | X-Fade | keesj: Nice! |
| 08:51.56 | lbt | just posted in tmo |
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| 08:54.51 | lbt | keesj: very good.... but you missed the bar and the ice-cream ;) |
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| 08:57.39 | lcuk | keesj, :D wicked, that sort of thing would make a great app for new device |
| 08:57.47 | lcuk | did anyone do a df on the device? |
| 08:58.32 | Stskeeps | devel device, so doesnt match resulting product |
| 08:58.41 | Stskeeps | but it was really nice |
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| 08:59.11 | keesj | lcuk: the programs is called "motion" last time i cheked it did not support gstreamer and also only video4linux1 support |
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| 09:04.03 | lbt | lcuk: yes |
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| 09:04.33 | lbt | when the rootfs ran out of space when I installed most of Ubuntu |
| 09:04.41 | lbt | from the Mer repo ;) |
| 09:05.28 | lcuk | lol lbt :D any gossip from it? :D |
| 09:05.43 | lbt | Did I mention that the application and libraries that I won the coding competition with were installed from the Mer repositories? |
| 09:06.08 | lcuk | keesj cool - i gather it would be trivial to use it as an alarm type feature with the accel unit and have it autouploading |
| 09:06.22 | lcuk | ive heard yeah lbt |
| 09:06.28 | lbt | lcuk nah, nothing to see... and qg asked not to chat about internals :) |
| 09:07.22 | lcuk | :) reasonable enough |
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| 09:23.49 | kynde | for the record. I just tried the forementionen 'motion' in n810 and it worked. didn't bother with the ffmpeg yet, but it took motion based screenshots nicely. |
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| 09:29.21 | RST38h | X-Fade: maemo.org still does not update page after logging in (+ that weird header size bug) |
| 09:29.58 | X-Fade | RST38h: Can you check what response header you get after logging in? |
| 09:30.24 | RST38h | X-Fade: Looks like this: 1) enter long/password 2) click OK or press ENTER 3) header shrinks to smaller size for a few moments 4) header returns to unlogged state 5) Press SHIFT+ENTER 6) after some delay header changes to logged in state |
| 09:30.49 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am afraid not easily: using FireFox at work, I am behind a proxy |
| 09:31.03 | RST38h | But the same stuff happens at home too |
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| 09:31.47 | X-Fade | RST38h: We don't run any javascript on form submit which does anything with layout. |
| 09:31.55 | X-Fade | That part is the weirdest. |
| 09:32.14 | X-Fade | If you complete flush disk cache, does it still happen? |
| 09:32.36 | RST38h | Guess so |
| 09:32.52 | RST38h | Let me try from IE, I do not need its cache :) |
| 09:33.06 | X-Fade | Sure. |
| 09:33.20 | X-Fade | But do you see it in IE and FF3? |
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| 09:33.31 | RST38h | Have not checked form IE in a while |
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| 09:34.35 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ok, IE6, clean cache |
| 09:34.57 | RST38h | X-Fade: First of all the header in IE stays small. In FF3, the header stays large except for that moment where it becomes small |
| 09:35.21 | X-Fade | Can you hit control-0 (zero) in ff3? |
| 09:35.23 | RST38h | X-Fade: Secondly, with clean cache in IE6 there logged in page appears just fine no need to reload |
| 09:35.48 | RST38h | Ctrl-0 makes header small, just like in IE |
| 09:35.59 | X-Fade | Yeah, so you are in zoom mode in ff3. |
| 09:36.08 | RST38h | yes but I have just restarted FF3 |
| 09:36.14 | X-Fade | ctrl-0 resets it. |
| 09:36.37 | X-Fade | ctrl + will give you the large header again. |
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| 09:38.48 | RST38h | Weird |
| 09:38.58 | RST38h | Does it me that at home I have zoom as well? |
| 09:39.05 | X-Fade | Yep |
| 09:39.14 | X-Fade | That is what I tried to explain yesterday. |
| 09:39.24 | RST38h | And it memorizes the setting??? |
| 09:39.31 | X-Fade | And somehow ff3 saves that setting per website. |
| 09:39.50 | X-Fade | You probably didn't have the problem on the wiki? |
| 09:39.52 | X-Fade | Or talk? |
| 09:39.56 | RST38h | nope |
| 09:40.04 | X-Fade | Try ctrl + there ;) |
| 09:40.11 | RST38h | This sounds very very weird |
| 09:40.30 | RST38h | Ok, IE6 does not appear to have problems showing logged-in page |
| 09:40.38 | RST38h | Although it may just be due to clean cache |
| 09:40.41 | X-Fade | RST38h: Imagine me being on the recieving end and needing to debug this. |
| 09:41.00 | RST38h | X-Fade: Ah, I know the feeling |
| 09:41.21 | RST38h | once received a bug report from a guy who said that the simulated screen image is all smeared |
| 09:41.25 | X-Fade | Btw, if I log in I get these headers. |
| 09:41.27 | X-Fade | Cache-Control: max-age=0 must-revalidate |
| 09:41.27 | X-Fade | Pragma: no-cache |
| 09:41.43 | RST38h | I can't see the headers from here |
| 09:41.43 | X-Fade | Which should mean the browser can not cache it. |
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| 09:42.03 | X-Fade | Live http headers plugin for FF is great ;) |
| 09:42.18 | RST38h | Apparently, guy's video card was very smart for its time, it did image smoothign in hardware on StretchBlt()s |
| 09:42.50 | RST38h | X-Fade: I am afraid my proxy will eat those |
| 09:42.54 | X-Fade | Nice, soft blurry images for free. |
| 09:43.18 | X-Fade | RST38h: Well, no they should be ok even with proxy. That is what pragma is for. |
| 09:44.20 | X-Fade | But if it doesn't work on proxies then we need to debug it, so we can fix that issue. |
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| 09:51.30 | RST38h | X-Fade: the home machine does not use proxy but still exhibits the same behaviour somehow. Will check headers at home. |
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| 09:55.54 | Mikho | Is there a way to find out the N810 battery power level with some function call? |
| 09:56.35 | X-Fade | Mikho: Ask over DBus? |
| 09:57.28 | RST38h | there is a file in /sys I think |
| 09:57.48 | Mikho | I can't find any helpful information in http://maemo.org/development/documentation/apis/4-1/ |
| 09:57.57 | Mikho | hmm |
| 09:57.58 | X-Fade | Mikho: You could check the source of: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=14115 |
| 10:02.58 | Mikho | looks like the home page of the battery-status tool (nitapps.com) is down |
| 10:03.54 | lardman | morning |
| 10:04.27 | lardman | X-Fade: how often does karma get recalculated? |
| 10:04.51 | lardman | X-Fade: I've finally posted something to the list, my pre-post Discussion karma was 65, I'm waiting to see if it registers the post |
| 10:04.53 | X-Fade | About once a day, maybe 2. |
| 10:05.11 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 10:05.21 | X-Fade | lardman: Yeah, that would be a good test. Let's see ;) |
| 10:06.37 | florian | good morning |
| 10:08.42 | lbt | is #mer in the karma calcs ;) |
| 10:09.03 | X-Fade | lbt: Nope. |
| 10:09.08 | lbt | <sigh> |
| 10:09.21 | lbt | nags Jaffa |
| 10:09.24 | X-Fade | lbt: But wiki edits are and you seem to be getting a lot of points there lately ;) |
| 10:09.39 | lbt | heh... more to come according to my sprint |
| 10:13.02 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:13.04 | timeless_mbp | andre__: ping |
| 10:14.41 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, pong |
| 10:15.06 | timeless_mbp | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=563546 |
| 10:15.15 | timeless_mbp | i need some gtk experts |
| 10:15.18 | timeless_mbp | where do i hunt for them? |
| 10:16.40 | Stskeeps | nokia contractors? Â:) |
| 10:16.47 | Mikho | looks like the source for the battery-status tool isn't available |
| 10:17.05 | qwerty12 | Mikho: It's a python program, dpkg-deb -x ;) |
| 10:17.17 | Mikho | oh, ok |
| 10:18.18 | X-Fade | lardman: Check your profile ;) |
| 10:18.49 | lardman | X-Fade: good stuff |
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| 10:19.01 | lardman | well then, the 170 odd missing emails must be the old ones |
| 10:19.28 | X-Fade | lardman: Yeah alexey will work on a recount script which touches old entries. |
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| 10:19.56 | andre__ | timeless_mbp, #gtk+ on gimpnet irc i'd say |
| 10:20.01 | lardman | actually, there is one other option I should probably test - I sent that email using webmail, not using outlook, perhaps I should try testing that too? |
| 10:20.23 | X-Fade | lardman: Sure. |
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| 10:20.32 | lardman | let me look for something useful to say ;) |
| 10:20.53 | X-Fade | heh :) |
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| 10:23.11 | Mikho | ok, got it. Thanks for advice :) |
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| 10:37.36 | lardman | X-Fade: ok, fired one off from Outlook, we'll see what happens |
| 10:38.06 | qwerty12 | lardman: your karma goes down if it detects the word "outlook" in the headers |
| 10:38.16 | lardman | yeah, probably true :) |
| 10:38.26 | Stskeeps | or modest |
| 10:38.51 | lardman | yeah, well modest often won't send anyway |
| 10:38.53 | X-Fade | Did anyone try out the current modest versions on diablo? |
| 10:39.04 | X-Fade | It should work on diablo too. |
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| 10:45.09 | RST38h | won't send, won't receive, won't read, won't authenticate |
| 10:45.15 | RST38h | yea, that is Modest for sure =) |
| 10:45.32 | lardman | mine sends and reads most of the time, just sometimes it wont |
| 10:45.47 | lardman | more painful is when it decides I have new mail, just locks up everything |
| 10:46.12 | aquatix | is there a repository for modest snapshots? |
| 10:46.26 | aquatix | i'd like to try whether my bugs have been fixed or not |
| 10:47.12 | X-Fade | aquatix: No, only source in git. |
| 10:47.18 | aquatix | meh |
| 10:48.57 | lardman | still 66... ;) |
| 10:49.06 | lardman | goes to grab a coffee |
| 10:51.02 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 10:51.06 | timeless_mbp | oh no |
| 10:51.09 | timeless_mbp | missed lunch |
| 10:51.17 | X-Fade | lardman: It increased. |
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| 10:56.19 | lardman | so it did, right, so it looks like it's old emails missing then |
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| 11:19.59 | lardman | what's the latest Tear version? 0.3.1-1? |
| 11:20.34 | qwerty12 | 0.3.1-2 |
| 11:20.39 | qwerty12 | http://bundyo.org/maemo/tear/tear-0.3.1-2_armel.deb |
| 11:20.47 | lardman | cool, thanks |
| 11:21.05 | lardman | curses pretty web2.0 sites like the BBC one |
| 11:21.10 | aquatix | btw, i can't seem to paste/copy to/from the Tear address bar |
| 11:21.21 | aquatix | bbc works fine in Tear :) |
| 11:21.26 | lardman | just slow |
| 11:21.27 | aquatix | reads it every day |
| 11:21.34 | aquatix | news.bbc.co.uk then |
| 11:21.38 | qwerty12 | lardman: Heh, their embedding videos makes Flash go all funny :) |
| 11:21.53 | aquatix | ah yeah |
| 11:21.58 | aquatix | disable flash ;) |
| 11:22.09 | lardman | I want to watch the video though! |
| 11:22.19 | lardman | I should buy a new computer with a headphone socket |
| 11:22.30 | aquatix | it sort of worked here |
| 11:22.39 | aquatix | flash was kinda heavy somehow though |
| 11:22.54 | aquatix | youtube works fine, but bbc not that much |
| 11:23.12 | lardman | what about with the default browser then? |
| 11:23.34 | aquatix | i guess the same, didn't try yet |
| 11:23.46 | qwerty12 | They should set up a special page, like they do when you go onto BBC iplayer with a Wii |
| 11:23.53 | aquatix | Tear is so much better than microb |
| 11:23.54 | lardman | qwerty12: is that url a repo? |
| 11:24.11 | qwerty12 | lardman: Nope, straight deb. Qole runs a repo with it however |
| 11:24.19 | lardman | it's down apparently |
| 11:24.30 | qwerty12 | Hmm, works here |
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| 11:25.18 | qwerty12 | File from qole's repo: http://qole.org/repository/pool/main/tear-0.3.1-2_armel.deb |
| 11:25.18 | lardman | no idea, anyway will install that one and see how it goes |
| 11:25.20 | aquatix | http://qole.maemobox.org/repository maemo main |
| 11:25.31 | aquatix | lardman: ^ |
| 11:25.43 | lardman | yeah, told me it couldn't refresh |
| 11:25.54 | qwerty12 | His new link is qole.org |
| 11:26.09 | aquatix | ah |
| 11:26.15 | qwerty12 | Maemobox is no more (officially anyway, it's still up and I deleted all my files from it...) |
| 11:26.39 | lardman | ah, better, thanks |
| 11:26.52 | aquatix | changes |
| 11:27.23 | lardman | updates libwebkit while he's at it |
| 11:28.14 | aquatix | dang, this wifi is slow |
| 11:29.54 | lardman | mmm, much quicker now, good |
| 11:30.21 | aquatix | ooh, updates |
| 11:30.45 | JesperHansen | is everyone using maemo atm. developers or are the general users among? |
| 11:30.49 | aquatix | meh, only minor ones |
| 11:31.10 | aquatix | (bug @ Tear Description: `dashhboard') |
| 11:31.37 | qwerty12 | -2 contains a little more than that IIRC, read the thread |
| 11:31.46 | lcuk | thats not a typo, its a super fast dashboard |
| 11:32.02 | aquatix | lcuk: :) |
| 11:32.08 | lardman | I think updating libwebkit did the trick for me |
| 11:32.41 | lcuk | JesperHansen, regular users play lots |
| 11:32.54 | lcuk | got shouted at muchly by the family for taking the devices away last week |
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| 11:35.45 | JesperHansen | lcuk: any feedback from them that is different from a developers point of view? |
| 11:36.56 | lcuk | yeah - ive never heard tracy talk about problems with scratchbox |
| 11:37.17 | lcuk | finds new stuff on it everytime |
| 11:37.18 | lardman | except that you're using it all the time ;) |
| 11:37.24 | lcuk | shes not managed to break it yet which is good |
| 11:37.38 | lcuk | different device lol |
| 11:37.49 | lcuk | hey simon, i got all my sketches back :D |
| 11:38.22 | lardman | from your broken card? |
| 11:38.34 | lcuk | yeah |
| 11:38.41 | lardman | good stuff |
| 11:39.04 | lcuk | yeah deffo - everything right up to about 2 minutes before the corruption, was so relieved |
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| 11:40.32 | X-Fade | lcuk: Time for some backup routine? |
| 11:40.45 | X-Fade | Or a web sync service ;) |
| 11:41.21 | lcuk | already very muchly onthe cards |
| 11:41.38 | lcuk | i had a backup from just before i left (I always take one) but it was like the whole weekend vanished |
| 11:42.08 | X-Fade | Hmm that would have been bad. |
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| 11:43.22 | JesperHansen | Gods way to say "I dislike what you did there, reverse it!" |
| 11:43.23 | lcuk | yeah i have annotations and points all nicely timestamped again :) |
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| 11:46.05 | lcuk | X-Fade, its a good job z4chh is writing a network monitor within liqbase, i wonder what might be includable in that data stream |
| 11:46.22 | lcuk | JesperHansen, god uses liqbase himself |
| 11:46.27 | woglinde | lol |
| 11:46.33 | lcuk | and moses wrote his commandments using it |
| 11:46.45 | lcuk | it wasnt a stone tablet, it was a nokia tablet |
| 11:46.58 | JesperHansen | yea, next time you piss him off, lightning may strike you |
| 11:47.03 | JesperHansen | from your computer |
| 11:47.17 | lcuk | his lightening cannot harm me, my liqbase is like a shield of bacon |
| 11:47.25 | jaska | ablative armor |
| 11:47.27 | woglinde | lcuk so it seems the weekend was very sucessfull |
| 11:48.30 | lcuk | woglinde, very very worthwhile for all parties - i think we have all come away with new found respect for each others projects and ideas |
| 11:48.36 | JesperHansen | lcuk: that depends if you can resist eating your armor and become fragile for more lightning |
| 11:49.27 | lcuk | i was really impressed by the way nokia and mer got on :) |
| 11:49.46 | lcuk | JesperHansen, theres always more bacon |
| 11:49.52 | lcuk | ALWAYS |
| 11:50.13 | JesperHansen | and to keep every bacon hungering developer in here away from you |
| 11:50.25 | lcuk | woglinde, and i got to see how to hack things together for liqbase itself |
| 11:50.54 | lcuk | JesperHansen, nahhh bacon is unofficial food of maemo |
| 11:51.05 | jjo | lcuk: so you're the guy with the qt-demos, huh? |
| 11:51.21 | lcuk | jjo whats qt? |
| 11:51.43 | jjo | oh sorry, got names wrong once again |
| 11:52.34 | lcuk | my liqbase is an app and ui for maemo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXp0Dg_UaY |
| 11:53.00 | JesperHansen | Stskeeps: who was the other danish guy at your maemo table in the weekend? I think he was sitting next to you at some point |
| 11:53.49 | jjo | lcuk: yeah, you demoed it to me lask weekend, I just always remember that that mer guy was called gary |
| 11:54.10 | lcuk | yeah i am gary lol |
| 11:54.16 | jjo | maybe because his surname begins with a 'g' |
| 11:54.20 | lcuk | but you are prolly thinking of david - lbt (with curly hair) |
| 11:54.29 | lcuk | ish |
| 11:54.29 | jjo | I'm really bad with names anyways |
| 11:54.41 | jjo | but yes, he was david |
| 11:54.57 | lcuk | i wrote liqbase for that reason, and when everything falls into place i will have what i need to never forget |
| 11:55.28 | jjo | I'll surely install it once you have packages ready :) |
| 11:56.19 | lbt | jjo: hi |
| 11:56.26 | jjo | oh, hi :) |
| 11:56.44 | lbt | Qt eh? |
| 11:56.45 | lcuk | yeah - ive been concentrating on the framework over the app recently tho, the original app is still nicer at this point, but not for much longer |
| 11:57.02 | jjo | lbt: so you're the guy with #7 |
| 11:57.02 | lbt | andre__: ping re https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4623 |
| 11:57.18 | lbt | no longer sadly ... I had to leave #7 behind |
| 11:57.25 | JesperHansen | lbt: nice meeting you in CPH btw |
| 11:57.28 | andre__ | lbt: yay? |
| 11:57.30 | lcuk | jjo, who are you then |
| 11:57.40 | lcuk | needs images and realnames |
| 11:57.44 | jjo | I'm the sdk guy with least hair |
| 11:57.47 | lcuk | in irc |
| 11:58.07 | lbt | andre__: that's supposed to be against the new device |
| 11:58.14 | jjo | actually no hair |
| 11:58.26 | lbt | jjo: ah... gothcha.... the ponytail guy ;) |
| 11:58.34 | lcuk | and a funky goatee that mustv taken about 6 months to grow right? |
| 11:58.44 | andre__ | lbt, i know. |
| 11:58.58 | jjo | lcuk: well, yes |
| 11:59.01 | lbt | BTW lcuk http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mozmae/ need names/handles |
| 11:59.05 | lcuk | was impressed |
| 11:59.17 | lcuk | im not a member of flickr (for some reason) |
| 11:59.22 | lcuk | my finger is named and shamed tho |
| 11:59.31 | lbt | andre__: was I wrong about that feature being missing? |
| 11:59.40 | lbt | it was something I noticed in the room |
| 11:59.53 | lbt | jjo: I told you I'd file a bug on it : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4623 |
| 12:00.01 | andre__ | lbt, for me it works |
| 12:00.05 | andre__ | hence i cannot reproduce |
| 12:00.19 | jjo | lbt: sweet :) |
| 12:00.26 | lbt | that's cool - as I said, it was on the developer release... could be fixed now :) |
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| 12:03.53 | lbt | jjo: we were talking to Sonia (?) about architecture info... is anything available yet? |
| 12:04.02 | X-Fade | lbt: Soumya ;) |
| 12:04.15 | JesperHansen | brings food to the channel http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/pizzaburger.jpeg |
| 12:04.32 | jjo | lbt: not thatm I'm aware |
| 12:04.39 | lbt | just ordered a ham+cheese s'wich |
| 12:05.37 | lbt | jjo: OK, qgil was saying that it was prepared but not released... it would be useful to have as part of the SDK docs... I'd like to use it for Mer purposes too |
| 12:06.28 | lcuk | JesperHansen, i never thought i would say this, but you managed to find a bacon meal that makes me feel queezy |
| 12:06.55 | lbt | serves 2 though |
| 12:07.19 | lcuk | yeah, if there was more bacon i wouldnt mind |
| 12:07.26 | lcuk | and the dreamcatcher is good |
| 12:07.58 | kfx | that is some serious goon food |
| 12:08.02 | jjo | lbt: I sure it would. I hope we get it out asap |
| 12:08.23 | lbt | cool |
| 12:08.45 | lbt | so any comments/progress/thoughts on a new widget gallery? |
| 12:08.50 | lcuk | jjo, have you wiped off the code from those dev units |
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| 12:10.11 | lcuk | lbt, for which toolkit (or neednt i ask.. :P) |
| 12:10.22 | lbt | gtk actually |
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| 12:10.33 | lbt | ( so we can make some Qt equivalents ) |
| 12:10.38 | jjo | lcuk: I just gave them to soumya, but I don't think theyve been reflashed |
| 12:10.53 | lbt | and more importantly, better understand the use-cases they apply to |
| 12:11.07 | lcuk | cos i bet on one of them there is still the full libliqbase stuff |
| 12:12.38 | jjo | lbt: there has been some ideas about the widget gallery, but nothing has been done yet |
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| 12:12.42 | lcuk | lbt, widgets without apps or expected uses arent that good, its like looking at a jigsaw piece and imagining the whole scene |
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| 12:12.58 | lbt | invisible ones are worse |
| 12:13.00 | lcuk | has plans for every single widget in liqbase :) |
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| 12:15.49 | jjo | lbt: what did you have in mind? something like gtk2.0-examples or...? |
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| 12:17.55 | lardman | Weather looks good, /me eats his lightning shield |
| 12:18.07 | lbt | http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/hildon/ch02.html is a start... |
| 12:18.08 | amit_ | nick amit_usual |
| 12:18.25 | lbt | hands amit_ a / |
| 12:19.11 | X-Fade | lbt: That one needs some serious updating :) |
| 12:19.23 | lbt | that was my point ;) |
| 12:19.28 | jjo | lbt: oh, that. |
| 12:19.34 | lbt | and the reason for the original request |
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| 12:20.28 | lardman | dneary: re opengl wrappers, I'm sure I said that earlier in the thread, did no-one get my email? |
| 12:21.01 | dneary | lardman: you pointed to a forum thread? |
| 12:21.05 | dneary | lardman: I saw it |
| 12:21.24 | dneary | I pointed to 2 different projects - one of them was the one in the forum thread you pointed to, I think |
| 12:21.26 | lardman | yeah, i should have explained more perhaps... that's why I'm not a docs guy ;) |
| 12:21.30 | dneary | So your mail got through :) |
| 12:21.40 | lardman | :) |
| 12:23.03 | lardman | lol @ screenshots for DOGLESS |
| 12:23.27 | lardman | very useful :) |
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| 12:23.30 | lbt | also : http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery-plastique.html from http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/gallery.html then linking to the docs |
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| 12:30.03 | jjo | lbt: makes sense. Actually I didn't even know we had that outdated one |
| 12:30.09 | X-Fade | RST38h: ping? |
| 12:30.51 | jjo | lbt: the gallery is being worked on after all or that's what I heard |
| 12:31.52 | X-Fade | lbt: You might want to file a bug against that page. |
| 12:32.02 | lbt | ok |
| 12:32.03 | X-Fade | lbt: So it doesn't get lost. |
| 12:32.24 | X-Fade | lbt: Another way to improve your karma :D |
| 12:32.45 | lbt | heh |
| 12:32.52 | jjo | filing bugs is good :) |
| 12:33.10 | amit_dusual | hi i am trying to build a c library in my scratchbox it is shipped with its python bindings which require a file "python.h" what is this file and how may get one |
| 12:34.50 | VDVsx | amit_dusual, try to call "python2.5" instead of "python" |
| 12:36.19 | VDVsx | and python.h is included in the python devel package |
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| 12:41.48 | GeneralAntilles | chuckles at the OpenGL thread. |
| 12:42.39 | lbt | is innocent |
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| 12:43.03 | Stskeeps | well at least the opengl thread shows one major thing: they're working on a wrapper so games/etc can use gl .. |
| 12:43.06 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 12:43.33 | woglinde | stskeep? |
| 12:43.45 | lardman | true |
| 12:43.59 | woglinde | ??? hm maybee than I read it wrong |
| 12:44.04 | woglinde | some ask for it |
| 12:44.05 | lardman | GeneralAntilles: why the chuckling? |
| 12:44.17 | woglinde | and noby replied yes we do it |
| 12:46.40 | lardman | woglinde: Try here http://forum.openhandhelds.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=884 |
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| 12:47.17 | lbt | really hasn't been paying much attention to the is-the-next-device-a-phone issue... I though qgil said at the CPH weekend that it has a SIM that did data plan only... |
| 12:47.38 | lbt | did I miss something or is it just speculation? |
| 12:47.50 | lbt | (in which case I have better things to do) |
| 12:47.55 | lardman | I think that was from the leak wasn't it, the talk of talk? |
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| 12:48.25 | Stskeeps | lbt: i think we all agree that marketing people have the ability to know one thing and say another ;) |
| 12:48.44 | woglinde | lbt the sim thing wasnt new |
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| 12:48.51 | lbt | I didn't think so |
| 12:48.53 | woglinde | everybody expect it |
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| 12:49.42 | lbt | it'd be nice if it was a phone... but it'd have to support divert-on-mer |
| 12:49.47 | woglinde | lardman ah okay |
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| 12:50.00 | woglinde | lbt no phone |
| 12:50.24 | lbt | fine... that's what I thought |
| 12:50.56 | lbt | although I still heard way too many "device or devices".... |
| 12:51.19 | GeneralAntilles | goes to work. |
| 12:51.34 | lardman | what's work GeneralAntilles? |
| 12:51.43 | lbt | yeah... we want to know |
| 12:52.12 | lardman | that was not a philosophical question ;) |
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| 12:52.35 | lbt | no, me neither :| |
| 12:54.07 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 12:54.08 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:55.51 | Stskeeps | yay, n810 flashing |
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| 13:20.32 | thux | os2008 version before diablo, was it chinook? what is main difference between them? |
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| 13:21.18 | thux | planning to try downgrade |
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| 13:22.47 | lcuk | thux, chinook started with a c |
| 13:23.34 | GAN800 | thux, Chinook sucked. |
| 13:23.41 | qwerty12 | Only advantage chinook has is that it didn't use the bullshit browserd |
| 13:23.42 | thux | why? |
| 13:24.01 | thux | why it sucked |
| 13:24.43 | GAN800 | thux, older, slower, unstable software |
| 13:25.04 | GAN800 | Same reasons most older software sucks compared to updated stuff. |
| 13:25.21 | thux | hmm |
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| 13:36.08 | thux | at least i don't remember any problems with chinook's image wiever, but diablo's loop every time when watching cell phone images |
| 13:38.11 | GAN800 | Quiver? Canola? |
| 13:39.46 | thux | must try them |
| 13:40.00 | lcuk | GAN800, technically you know, there is a LOT of software that suffers due to age :) |
| 13:40.18 | lcuk | directs you towards oldversions.com and the popularity thereof |
| 13:40.38 | RST38h | Bit rot. |
| 13:41.37 | RST38h | It is some bullshit site |
| 13:41.54 | RST38h | I am typing in "Turbo C" and get a bunch of "sponsored links" |
| 13:41.57 | andre__ | Stskeeps, around? |
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| 13:46.49 | Stskeepz | andre__: yeah |
| 13:47.03 | andre__ | yay |
| 13:48.10 | andre__ | Stskeepz, as I'm the bad guy closing some non-critical bug reports as "Fixed in Fremantle, Wontfix for Diablo" I'd like to add some sentence about Mer (you get more attention, I get less flamewars and complaints) |
| 13:48.13 | andre__ | "The Mer project aims to provide a community backport of Fremantle for N8x0 devices. See http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer for more information." |
| 13:48.16 | andre__ | is fine? |
| 13:48.40 | Stskeepz | yeah, sure |
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| 13:48.50 | Stskeepz | Fremantle APIs is more accurate but let's not dive too much into details |
| 13:49.26 | andre__ | ok, then i'm going to use that sentence. |
| 13:49.47 | andre__ | yay, netsplit |
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| 13:51.00 | Meizirkki | anyone knows what the heck is wrong with mediabox? It says, no module called "com" (which is a directory in it's place in /usr/lib/mediabox) old version from extras is working, but new versions won't start up |
| 13:51.26 | Meizirkki | when installing it says [: 8: missing] |
| 13:51.33 | Stskeepz | bashism? |
| 13:52.06 | Meizirkki | Stskeepz, i have no idea what's that :) |
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| 13:52.23 | Stskeepz | if it's on mer, its when their scripts are assuming they are running in bash and not a posix shell |
| 13:52.55 | Meizirkki | yes, on Mer. do you know how to get around that? |
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| 13:53.15 | Stskeepz | ask the author to fix the bashism :P |
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| 13:54.58 | Meizirkki | Stskeepz, the weird is, postinst and /usr/lib/mediabox/MediaBox.py are both completely identical in the extras verion (that is working) and in the version that won't work.. |
| 13:55.26 | Meizirkki | at startup, the first line of MediaBox.py fails |
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| 13:55.52 | Meizirkki | (in the newer version) |
| 13:55.52 | Stskeepz | who was mediabox author again? |
| 13:55.55 | Meizirkki | Martin Grimme i think |
| 13:55.56 | qwerty12 | pycage - Martin Grimme |
| 13:56.00 | Stskeepz | ah |
| 13:56.18 | Stskeepz | it should be possible to get him to look at it :) |
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| 13:56.37 | Meizirkki | yup |
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| 13:58.41 | GAN800 | wonders how game changing the N900 is going go be to the cellular industry. |
| 13:58.52 | Stskeepz | well |
| 13:58.59 | Stskeepz | did you notice the news of T-mobile etc blocking skype? |
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| 13:59.44 | X-Fade | Stskeepz: They just use it to sell data subscriptions at a premium ;) |
| 13:59.54 | RST38h | GAN: My guess is that it will not leave a trace |
| 13:59.59 | RST38h | more or less like Sidekick |
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| 14:00.35 | RST38h | also suspects that Nokia's reasons for N900 are more or less the same as with 7650 and N95 |
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| 14:01.14 | RST38h | i.e. "release a clumsy initial hardware, see how public receives it, then follow with actually usable devices" |
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| 14:02.04 | aquatix | might buy it anyway |
| 14:02.53 | Stskeepz | scary, crowd sourcing works |
| 14:02.59 | RST38h | heh |
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| 14:03.11 | xnt14 | helloworld! |
| 14:03.17 | RST38h | ehlo |
| 14:03.22 | xnt14 | :) |
| 14:04.01 | xnt14 | is tired of sitting home sick in bed for 3 days, and not go on irc |
| 14:04.11 | xnt14 | oh |
| 14:04.13 | xnt14 | and |
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| 14:04.28 | xnt14 | I also made another mer theme :) |
| 14:04.28 | Stskeepz | tablet.. |
| 14:04.29 | Stskeepz | :P |
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| 14:04.37 | xnt14 | :P |
| 14:04.52 | aquatix | wonders... |
| 14:05.03 | aquatix | if i get an n900, i can install mer on my n810 :) |
| 14:05.09 | Stskeepz | is so happy about having a tablet when he's ill |
| 14:05.22 | aquatix | is happy about not being ill that often |
| 14:05.24 | xnt14 | :) |
| 14:05.26 | aquatix | but a tablet is damn great |
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| 14:05.56 | xnt14 | hates the fact that it came out of nowhere |
| 14:06.07 | xnt14 | one day |
| 14:06.09 | xnt14 | bam |
| 14:06.16 | xnt14 | body hurts |
| 14:06.24 | xnt14 | feels dizzy |
| 14:06.33 | xnt14 | then I sit in bed |
| 14:07.15 | jophish | Are there any good open source gps pathfinders to run on maemo or mer |
| 14:07.31 | xnt14 | and I get told that im sick |
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| 14:07.42 | xnt14 | I thought I got the swine flu :P |
| 14:08.00 | xnt14 | jophish: maemo mapper |
| 14:08.14 | xnt14 | but the gps on the n810 sucks |
| 14:08.20 | jophish | really? |
| 14:08.24 | xnt14 | takes forever to get a fix |
| 14:08.30 | xnt14 | yup |
| 14:08.38 | xnt14 | hold on a sec, ill get a link |
| 14:08.44 | jophish | already found it |
| 14:08.49 | jophish | thanks very much |
| 14:08.55 | xnt14 | oh ok then :) |
| 14:08.57 | xnt14 | n[ |
| 14:09.00 | xnt14 | (np |
| 14:09.04 | xnt14 | **np |
| 14:09.19 | xnt14 | I hate this crappy laptop keyboard |
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| 14:15.28 | wjs_ltop_ | Hello people.. I've finally gotten around to messing with getting A2DP working again after the last flash update. Now I'm wondering about AVRCP, is a2dpd no longer used? A kernel uinput module was mentioned at one point, but no info on how to get/install it. |
| 14:15.42 | wjs_ltop_ | I'd post this in the forums, but my posting privledges are nonexistant since the move from internettablittalk |
| 14:16.34 | wjs_ltop_ | And, yes I did ask this same question last night... |
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| 14:17.08 | Stskeepz | nonexistant, why? :P |
| 14:17.17 | Stskeepz | and we didn't move, we just renamed |
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| 14:18.32 | wjs_ltop_ | Stskeepz, I don't know. I recall posting in the past, but now I get an error about no permission to post. I've sent a message twice to the admins about it. |
| 14:18.38 | Stskeeps | hm, odd |
| 14:21.57 | xnt14 | chucks his laptop out a window |
| 14:22.12 | xnt14 | *smash* |
| 14:23.06 | qwerty12 | spots xnt14's laptop in a river |
| 14:23.26 | xnt14 | buys a new laptop |
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| 14:25.52 | xnt14 | gets this laptop http://www.rudd.cc/~john/NIT/nokia-n810-modified-4open.jpg |
| 14:25.56 | xnt14 | err, tablet |
| 14:26.04 | xnt14 | returns it |
| 14:26.42 | xnt14 | and |
| 14:27.00 | xnt14 | buys this: http://system76.com/images/bonp2_open_med.jpg |
| 14:27.36 | xnt14 | reads the #maemo topic |
| 14:27.43 | Meizirkki | fubuntu! |
| 14:28.01 | xnt14 | Warning #maemo is perilous for you job xD |
| 14:28.08 | xnt14 | fubuntu? |
| 14:28.09 | xnt14 | :P |
| 14:28.49 | xnt14 | fu-buntu? |
| 14:28.58 | xnt14 | or "f" ubuntu? |
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| 14:33.25 | Meizirkki | xnt14, nevermind ;) |
| 14:33.32 | xnt14 | :P |
| 14:35.14 | fiferboy | lbt: ping? |
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| 14:49.31 | lbt | hi fiferboy |
| 14:49.48 | fiferboy | lbt, hi. You busy? |
| 14:49.55 | lbt | not right now |
| 14:50.11 | RST38h | Anyone interested in a bit of web statistics? :) |
| 14:50.18 | lbt | 0.3 % |
| 14:51.13 | fiferboy | lbt: I'll send you my changes. Things are mostly working, but I just noticed a bug when overshooting in two directions that I will fix |
| 14:51.15 | RST38h | Comparing Google Analytics stats for May 2007 vs May 2009 |
| 14:51.24 | lcuk | RST38h, 75% of people would be interested if you can ensure the other 35% dont moan |
| 14:51.37 | lbt | ok |
| 14:51.38 | RST38h | Linux doubled from 3.8% to 7.15% |
| 14:52.11 | RST38h | Windoze fell from 91.5% to 85.8%, all the penguin worshippers, rejoice NOW |
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| 14:52.28 | RST38h | Now bowsers^H^Hparodn browsers |
| 14:52.59 | RST38h | FireFox: 31.78% ==> 44.82%, IE: 59.8% ==> 39.03% |
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| 14:53.30 | RST38h | (btw, given that I support all the platforms including Symbian, this has all chances to represent the overall distribution) |
| 14:53.57 | lardman | looking at browser stats, has anyone spotted any likely n900s? |
| 14:54.17 | RST38h | No good news for macnuts, you stay in the same hole in the ground |
| 14:54.36 | xnt14 | RST38H: and this is for, maemo.org? |
| 14:54.44 | RST38h | lardman: Not really, need a honey pot for that ;) |
| 14:54.50 | RST38h | xnt14: fms.komkon.org |
| 14:54.57 | xnt14 | oh ok :P |
| 14:55.07 | RST38h | konqueror is WAY down, nobody uses it |
| 14:55.30 | RST38h | Opera Mini is whopping 1.2%, up from 0% |
| 14:55.38 | xnt14 | RST38H: nice page |
| 14:55.50 | xnt14 | better then my current page |
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| 14:55.55 | RST38h | Opera stays at 4.5% no changes, time to sell the company :) |
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| 14:56.03 | xnt14 | :P |
| 14:56.17 | lardman | RST38h: now we know why itt's hosting was moved ;) |
| 14:56.21 | RST38h | Chrome is now 4.68%, bigger than Safari |
| 14:56.31 | RST38h | lardman: ? =) |
| 14:57.02 | RST38h | PlayStation Portable is 21 visits per month! Ho ho ho |
| 14:57.10 | xnt14 | lol |
| 14:57.19 | xnt14 | the psp browser is crap |
| 14:57.26 | xnt14 | low memory errors |
| 14:57.33 | RST38h | About the same for PS3, NetFront, and HTCs combined |
| 14:57.34 | xnt14 | but 21 visits? |
| 14:57.48 | RST38h | HTC adds phone name to the agent line, for unknown reason |
| 14:58.02 | xnt14 | any notable phones? |
| 14:58.11 | xnt14 | htc dream? |
| 14:58.15 | xnt14 | magic? |
| 14:58.20 | xnt14 | touch pro? |
| 14:58.23 | RST38h | No, the usual Touches |
| 14:58.29 | RST38h | Touch Pro is there |
| 14:58.39 | RST38h | 2 iPhones |
| 14:58.48 | xnt14 | lol |
| 14:58.54 | RST38h | Satan visited with the agent name of "####666" |
| 14:59.00 | RST38h | hails Satan |
| 14:59.07 | xnt14 | logs into his google analytics |
| 14:59.22 | RST38h | 1 visit from IE 9.0 |
| 14:59.25 | xnt14 | screenshot? |
| 14:59.28 | RST38h | No doubt also run by Satan |
| 14:59.30 | xnt14 | IE9? |
| 14:59.34 | xnt14 | lol |
| 14:59.46 | RST38h | Motorola Q11, 1 visit |
| 15:00.15 | RST38h | Nutexplore, 1 visit in 2007 |
| 15:00.47 | RST38h | A few hackers trying to push scripts through agent lines |
| 15:02.08 | RST38h | Oh, screen resolutions... 1280x800 is WAY up, at the cost of 1024x768 |
| 15:02.20 | fiferboy | lbt: email sent |
| 15:02.36 | xnt14 | lol |
| 15:02.40 | RST38h | In general, way more people with 16:9 screens, poor guys |
| 15:02.48 | xnt14 | has 15 visits from 1600x1200 |
| 15:03.07 | lbt | got it, I'll take a look |
| 15:03.26 | RST38h | 16bpp video is down, 8bpp is out |
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| 15:04.18 | RST38h | Oh, perfect, Java is finally dying: 96.7% ==> 83.76% |
| 15:04.42 | RST38h | Few more years and the ugly toad will finally be dead |
| 15:04.52 | rmt | Hmm.. I have a Viewlet that calls a function on on the application its a part of .. What's the way to get at this, no matter the context (ie. if the context is a Model under the app)? |
| 15:05.27 | lardman | RST38h: interesting definition of dying |
| 15:06.09 | lardman | what does that metric measure anyway? |
| 15:06.17 | rmt | Er, ignore me, wrong channel. |
| 15:06.42 | xnt14 | :P |
| 15:07.40 | RST38h | lardman: Percentage of visitors whose browsers support Java |
| 15:07.41 | lardman | xnt14: what's with your random nick chaning hey? |
| 15:07.50 | lardman | RST38h: ah, I see |
| 15:08.03 | lardman | RST38h: move mobile browsers I guess |
| 15:08.07 | lardman | s/move/more |
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| 15:08.20 | RST38h | lardman: Possibly but not by this percentage |
| 15:08.34 | xnt14 | lardman: joking around on #liqbase, don't worry about it any more |
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| 15:09.10 | aquatix | xnt14: i'll visit your site when i'm home |
| 15:09.22 | xnt14 | aquatix: :) |
| 15:09.25 | aquatix | xnt14: if you like semi-exotic screen res's |
| 15:09.37 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.com/ |
| 15:09.39 | xnt14 | yeah :P |
| 15:10.20 | aquatix | for now you just got a pageview at 1400x1050 from opera 10b |
| 15:10.48 | xnt14 | 8| |
| 15:10.50 | xnt14 | http://xceleo.com/version2 |
| 15:10.53 | xnt14 | version |
| 15:10.55 | xnt14 | 2 |
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| 15:22.55 | xnt14 | ~seen b-man16 |
| 15:23.00 | infobot | b-man16 <n=b-man@adsl-90.dacor.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 12h 15m 7s ago, saying: 'luke-jr: why so negative tonight? XD'. |
| 15:23.07 | xnt14 | lol |
| 15:23.23 | xnt14 | 2 days ago, negative lol |
| 15:23.38 | xnt14 | ~seen B-man |
| 15:23.38 | infobot | b-man <n=b-man@pool-71-124-32-204.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 12d 16h 11m 41s ago, saying: 'wtf'. |
| 15:26.44 | xnt14 | watches the google io keynote |
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| 15:39.53 | lopz | hola |
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| 15:57.30 | GAN800 | Nintendo sued |
| 15:58.29 | RST38h | ? |
| 16:01.06 | GAN800 | wrong channel |
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| 16:07.53 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 16:08.13 | halves | Jaffa: morning |
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| 16:10.12 | lbt | morning |
| 16:10.30 | RST38h | checks out the window: does not look like morning |
| 16:11.10 | xnt14 | :P |
| 16:11.36 | lbt | it's always morning when you join irc |
| 16:11.53 | lbt | if you're good it's always morning when you leave irc |
| 16:11.55 | RST38h | and what if I never leave? does it mean perpetual midnight? =) |
| 16:12.17 | lbt | night bergie |
| 16:13.05 | Jaffa | RST38h: It's morning in San Francisco :-) |
| 16:13.34 | thux | Jaffa: are you there? |
| 16:13.40 | lbt | no, but.... |
| 16:13.42 | Jaffa | RST38h: But I'm at JavaOne, you wouldn't approve ;-p |
| 16:13.46 | Jaffa | thux: This week, yeah. |
| 16:13.54 | thux | cool |
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| 16:15.08 | RST38h | Jaffa: Java-compatible web users are down by ~15% over the last two years =) |
| 16:15.42 | thux | always wanted to see those cisco trams which go uphill |
| 16:16.20 | RST38h | was scared of the trams |
| 16:16.34 | Jaffa | RST38h: whereas Java-compatible desktops are up; #1 smartphone is Java based, and Java on the server side is ever-increasing. Your point? |
| 16:16.41 | RST38h | Never know when to expect one of those to jump up at you |
| 16:16.46 | Jaffa | The cable cars are cool, but expensive |
| 16:16.52 | Jaffa | Alcatraz tour tomorrow |
| 16:17.07 | RST38h | Jaffa: Ah, as long as it is margnizalized to the server world, I am ok with that :) |
| 16:17.10 | Jaffa | goes to find colleague. |
| 16:17.15 | thux | coolest island |
| 16:17.29 | RST38h | And "smartphone java" is kinda not quite java |
| 16:18.41 | skibur | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.57 | RST38h | depends on the country and state |
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| 16:19.14 | Jaffa | RST38h: Eh? |
| 16:24.39 | thux | skibur: here about 2200e/month |
| 16:25.19 | lardman | hi Jaffa |
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| 16:26.29 | thux | some get more up to 4000e 2-4000e not much for hard job |
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| 16:26.50 | skibur | hum... |
| 16:27.12 | skibur | well |
| 16:27.26 | skibur | Hostgator.com is offering me $30,000 |
| 16:27.40 | thux | nice |
| 16:27.42 | skibur | not set in stone yet, but 95% sure |
| 16:27.58 | lardman | bye chaps |
| 16:29.47 | qwerty12 | skibur: Someone's gone to Union Bank to deposit my bank draft of $750,000.00 USD :) |
| 16:29.49 | skibur | hum.... |
| 16:30.23 | skibur | why? |
| 16:31.12 | qwerty12 | Because they wanna 419 my ass |
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| 16:33.13 | lbt | Jaffa: want to suggest gitorious.org for git.garage... |
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| 16:33.32 | thux | skibur: 30.000$ a month or a year? |
| 16:34.40 | skibur | a year |
| 16:34.47 | skibur | which seems low to me |
| 16:34.55 | thux | yes |
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| 16:35.40 | skibur | researching on what the base pay is for Linux Systems Administrator 1 for a web hosting company |
| 16:35.43 | Jaffa | lbt: Some Maemo stuff is already using it. Part of me doesn't like the external dep (why use garage at all), another part doesn't like reinventing the wheel |
| 16:36.11 | skibur | jaffa, True |
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| 16:36.33 | lbt | there's sprint work going into improving the git support |
| 16:37.04 | lbt | they are also making gitorious do what's needed to develop Qt "in the open" |
| 16:37.44 | lbt | I am thinking that git.garage could either host an instance of; or redirect with auth to ... gitorious |
| 16:38.03 | lbt | again the key is auth mapping |
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| 16:38.36 | lbt | so not thinking it is very external (since Nokia are already sponsoring and Trolltech live there) |
| 16:38.45 | Stskeeps | question is really if mer wants to be on garage with our code hosting or not :P |
| 16:38.58 | Stskeeps | (we have mailing lists there and bug tracking; it may be good to spread our liabilities) |
| 16:38.58 | lbt | and re-use gitorious rather than re-invent |
| 16:39.15 | lbt | and yet, Stskeeps, git is truly distributed |
| 16:39.25 | lbt | we could mirror to github |
| 16:39.43 | lbt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.05 | lbt | so spreading the risk from a backup PoV seems easy |
| 16:40.19 | Stskeeps | mm |
| 16:40.32 | lbt | and gitorious is (AFAIK) sponsored by Nokia, not owned by them |
| 16:41.50 | lbt | mm? |
| 16:42.15 | thux | btw what is the logic behind browserd? why pc linux doesn't use it? |
| 16:44.00 | Jaffa | thux: PCs have more RAM and faster CPUs |
| 16:44.20 | qwerty12 | The logic behind it was that it was a way for applications to use MicroB. So far, the only application that does so (excluding browser-ui) is the Flash "Getting Started" demo. Which does not say a lot when chinook's "Getting Started" did the same without browserd. |
| 16:44.44 | thux | but it could benefit browser daemon? |
| 16:45.36 | thux | ok |
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| 16:55.14 | ShadowJK | iirc ive heard startup speed mentioned too? |
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| 16:57.27 | qwerty12 | Oh, yes, you're right. The time taken for the browser to open is a few seconds less. |
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| 17:03.04 | Stskeeps | it's a wazd |
| 17:03.11 | wazd_n800 | hello world |
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| 17:04.04 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, yesterday it was heat, now it's heeavy rain |
| 17:04.20 | Stskeeps | ah, yeah |
| 17:04.33 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, looks like I'm in Africa) |
| 17:04.42 | Stskeeps | we had 4 seasons in one day :P |
| 17:06.41 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, I've came up with idea how to switch desktops in Mer :) |
| 17:06.46 | Stskeeps | mm? :) |
| 17:07.19 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, heading home to draw it :) |
| 17:08.55 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, but I think it's cool and easy to make :) |
| 17:08.58 | Stskeeps | hehe |
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| 17:09.32 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, no gestures or something =) |
| 17:09.46 | Stskeeps | big fat > button in the side of the desktop? :P |
| 17:10.36 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, nah, thats lame and it's wasting precious screen space |
| 17:10.51 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, you'll see :) |
| 17:11.01 | Stskeeps | ;) |
| 17:11.33 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, what else I should try to improve?) |
| 17:12.20 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: we have a wide range of things, like fixing up styles and such, icons, and other things that have flaws |
| 17:12.24 | Stskeeps | icons, themes, wallpapers :P |
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| 17:12.53 | RST38h | moo wazd |
| 17:13.06 | Stskeeps | like, after using mer a bit there's some inconsistencies, that need some art help :) |
| 17:13.09 | RST38h | wazd: any news on that clutter issue? |
| 17:14.12 | wazd_n800 | Stskeeps, to my mind it's better to implement all things that will be skinned and then make some Mer Theme Template to work with |
| 17:14.37 | fiferboy_away | lbt: Have you had a chance to try out the changes? |
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| 17:14.53 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: yeah i guess |
| 17:14.58 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, well, you still can't use clutter in your apps =) |
| 17:14.58 | lbt | no, they're in my git though |
| 17:15.51 | RST38h | wazd: and it looks like opengl es is out of reach too |
| 17:15.52 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, cause clutter can only be used in one session at a time and this session is hildon-desktop |
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| 17:16.14 | fiferboy | lbt: I've fixed a couple of the issues I was having |
| 17:16.27 | RST38h | that may be related to the single use ogl es limitation |
| 17:17.11 | Stskeeps | they're working on that |
| 17:17.49 | qwerty12 | Read the "Fremantle OpenGL wrapper" thread on -developers |
| 17:18.37 | RST38h | yea... |
| 17:18.51 | RST38h | subway time. |
| 17:20.13 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, careful |
| 17:20.32 | wazd_n800 | RST38h, storm is moving towards Moscow) |
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| 17:23.21 | vhogemann | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.11 | mgedmin | uses scp |
| 17:24.16 | vhogemann | actually on ubuntu now, but all my music is on iTunes |
| 17:24.20 | wazd_n800 | I'm on Vista and I use built-in WMP) |
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| 17:25.15 | vhogemann | iTunes sucks for not supporting generic MSD |
| 17:25.20 | vhogemann | :-\ |
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| 17:26.17 | chx | hi. #maemo perilous for my job? I thought SSH and Skype on the go was quite good. |
| 17:26.18 | wazd_n800 | theres no other players but the iPod, according to Apple :P |
| 17:26.27 | vhogemann | Yeah... |
| 17:27.12 | vhogemann | I need to find an alternative to iTunes... I would install amarok, but it seems to be too unstable on OSX to be usefull |
| 17:27.52 | vhogemann | What I miss is the automagic sincronization that you can setup with playlists on iTunes |
| 17:28.40 | chx | anywyas, i tried to google but the results was not conclusive --- i need a BT headset that I can use simultaneously with the N810 and the phone. it seems the Plantronics can switch -- there is a Jabra but that's not sure how it owks. |
| 17:28.44 | wazd_n800 | I guess there's Winamp for OSX, no? |
| 17:28.45 | chx | anyone with experience? |
| 17:29.13 | vhogemann | wazd_n800, didn't checked Winamp for a loooooong time |
| 17:29.15 | amr | can't you just make an applescript to copy the files across? |
| 17:29.47 | vhogemann | wazd_n800, I'll look it up |
| 17:29.47 | vhogemann | thx |
| 17:29.47 | vhogemann | booting into OSX now |
| 17:29.54 | wazd_n800 | chx: well, my Jabra 620 listens a2dp from n800 and answers calls from the phone) |
| 17:30.58 | wazd_n800 | btw, have anybody read that Palm Pre will be syncing with iTunes seamlessly? |
| 17:31.36 | wazd_n800 | As I've read, Pre just tells iTunes «Hello, I'm an iPod»and that's all |
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| 17:31.48 | Stskeeps | DMCA? ;) |
| 17:31.49 | amr | lol |
| 17:31.54 | amr | thats pretty smart |
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| 17:32.36 | wazd_n800 | And it makes all backups and stuff, just like iPhone would do |
| 17:33.18 | lcuk | would be the sort of thing you could do with permission from the fruity company |
| 17:33.25 | Stskeeps | 10 bucks it would be ruined with a "Update" |
| 17:33.42 | wazd_n800 | I wonder if OSS community can make same stuff for Nokia or any other generic player |
| 17:34.17 | Jaffa | No good if consumer syncs DRM AAC and can't play it |
| 17:34.22 | chx | wazd_n800: yeah i read that |
| 17:34.30 | lcuk | well dont nokia phones have the "comes with music" initiative and a store etc - that would be the most likely official source |
| 17:34.36 | chx | wazd_n800: however.... the Pre is unusable until the fall when the GSM version arrives. |
| 17:34.38 | wazd_n800 | yep, drm doesn't work on Pre neither |
| 17:34.51 | lcuk | i wouldnt even mind with tht being closed payware "differentiation" :) |
| 17:35.07 | chx | wazd_n800: could hte Jabra work with Skype on N810 and the phone ... same time? |
| 17:35.15 | chx | wazd_n800: as a headset |
| 17:35.45 | wazd_n800 | chx: I doubt. |
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| 17:36.31 | chx | sniffs |
| 17:36.36 | wazd_n800 | the only thing I can advice is to set your headset as default for both devices and always disconnect it after each call |
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| 17:37.14 | wazd_n800 | when call will arive at the phone - it will automaticaly send it tou your headset |
| 17:37.37 | chx | interesting trick |
| 17:37.59 | chx | this needs a headphone that can disconnect :p |
| 17:37.59 | chx | my current Motorola IMO cant |
| 17:38.35 | wazd_n800 | chx: just put bt menu on your phone to the quick button =) |
| 17:40.52 | wazd_n800 | I think the only way to keep different headset connections simultaneously is to have 2 bt chips in the headset =) |
| 17:41.27 | chx | please call me an idiot |
| 17:41.34 | chx | but where can i change the quick buttons on a Nokia E51? |
| 17:42.00 | wazd_n800 | woners if n900 will support not only A2DP but media buttons profile too |
| 17:42.58 | wazd_n800 | chx: I guess in the desktop settings or something. Even my dummy 2630 can do that =) |
| 17:43.58 | luke-jr | I think Nokia won't call it N900 just cuz everyone already is |
| 17:44.23 | wazd_n800 | I have a special menu in settings called «quick access menu», and there I can set left and right button to whatever I want |
| 17:45.01 | wazd_n800 | luke-jr: I'd rather call it N1 |
| 17:45.43 | wazd_n800 | luke-jr, cause it seems to be the most advanced device in N-series |
| 17:45.55 | chx | this phone is not the most user friendly |
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| 17:46.01 | luke-jr | so was the N770, N800, and N810 when they came out |
| 17:46.30 | wazd_n800 | luke-jr, 770 wasn't N :) |
| 17:46.37 | luke-jr | … |
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| 17:47.20 | wazd_n800 | luke-jr, and they sucked at camera, gps and gaming (no 3D acceleration) |
| 17:47.36 | chx | To write and send text messages, scroll left. |
| 17:47.37 | chx | To change these shortcuts, select Menu > |
| 17:47.39 | chx | Tools > Settings > General > |
| 17:47.41 | chx | Personalisation > Standby mode > Shortcuts. |
| 17:47.42 | chx | really |
| 17:47.53 | chx | It's only six levels deep. |
| 17:48.13 | wazd_n800 | luke-jr, now these flaws are gone, N1 is the king :) |
| 17:49.17 | chx | wazd_n800: yeah but what the price will be :( |
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| 17:51.19 | chx | YAY |
| 17:51.26 | chx | my phone just jumped quite some |
| 17:51.30 | chx | Great |
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| 17:52.51 | wazd_n800 | chx: price wold be around 500 bucks I'm sure |
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| 17:54.43 | chx | wazd_n800: why do much less than N97? |
| 17:55.08 | wazd_n800 | chx: cause it's not a phone) |
| 17:55.27 | chx | wazd_n800: oh. |
| 17:55.29 | wazd_n800 | being a phone is pretty expensive stuff |
| 17:55.35 | chx | yeah i bet |
| 17:56.21 | wazd_n800 | and the voice data reciever is not the biggest deal |
| 17:57.04 | wazd_n800 | you should register and qualify a phone on the whole bunch of markets |
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| 17:57.31 | chx | http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/05/24/exclusive-everything-there-is-to-know-about-nokias-next-tablet/ |
| 17:57.39 | chx | We believe this? |
| 17:57.40 | Stskeeps | old though |
| 17:57.41 | chx | Why? |
| 17:58.48 | ShadowJK | there are already 90+ pages about it on tmo? |
| 17:58.56 | chx | are there? |
| 17:59.06 | Stskeeps | "N900 specs revealed" |
| 17:59.30 | wazd_n800 | cause I beleive only nokia and my eyes. And eyes of maemo community chaps and gals |
| 17:59.30 | wazd_n800 | nokia told there would be no voice, guys told that there's no earpiece where it's supposed to be |
| 17:59.39 | chx | http://search.t-mobile.com/inquiraapp/ui.jsp?ui_mode=question&question_box=maemo |
| 17:59.42 | chx | empty. |
| 17:59.53 | ShadowJK | talk.maemo.org not t-mobile |
| 18:00.06 | chx | this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=29151&page=106 ? |
| 18:00.10 | chx | come on |
| 18:00.15 | chx | its just chat |
| 18:00.21 | chx | where its the meat? |
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| 18:00.24 | chx | *is |
| 18:00.37 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: the developer units we saw are fremantle development devices, phone part could really be emulated with headset |
| 18:01.12 | Stskeeps | i know i want whatever they're coming out with however |
| 18:01.53 | ShadowJK | yeah you just need a N810 and a bluetooth phone and you can write the software for phone ;) |
| 18:01.59 | wazd_n800 | not being a phone is a good thing for such an overloaded with highest end features device |
| 18:02.00 | wazd_n800 | you better pray that it would not be a phone in fact))) |
| 18:03.10 | Jaffa | wazd_n800: Nokia *never* said "no voice" |
| 18:03.37 | chx | Nokia never said ANYTHING |
| 18:03.54 | wazd_n800 | Nokia never anything =) |
| 18:04.10 | Jaffa | chx: Nokia said 3G, 5mp camera, OMAP3 |
| 18:04.25 | wazd_n800 | 3G data they said =) |
| 18:04.31 | chx | Where? When? |
| 18:04.37 | chx | That mobilecrunch is a rumour |
| 18:04.42 | wazd_n800 | on the very first keynote |
| 18:04.46 | ShadowJK | did they really say anything? haven't we just been assuming it based on the stuff they put in kernel and sdk? :) |
| 18:04.53 | Jaffa | chx: Last September at OSiMWorld |
| 18:05.29 | Jaffa | wazd_n800: Exact quote: "data is what we're talking about today", but they did only *announce* data |
| 18:05.38 | wazd_n800 | jezaschrist!!!! |
| 18:05.46 | Jaffa | ShadowJK: They've said loads |
| 18:05.54 | wazd_n800 | armageddon in here!!!111 |
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| 18:06.08 | ShadowJK | wazd_n800, change channel, it wasn't such a great movie |
| 18:06.37 | wazd_n800 | you should see that cloud guys!!! |
| 18:06.44 | wazd_n800 | ohmygod! |
| 18:06.54 | chx | Jaffa: URL |
| 18:06.58 | chx | Jaffa: URL? please. |
| 18:07.19 | Jaffa | chx: Google "Maemo 5" and "osim" |
| 18:07.28 | Jaffa | September 2008. |
| 18:07.32 | chx | i did |
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| 18:08.24 | Jaffa | I don't know a URL OTTOMH, but I saw it with my own eyes when Ari Jaaksi said it |
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| 18:09.28 | Jaffa | ~rx-51 |
| 18:09.29 | infobot | it has been said that rx-51 is http://maemo.org/community/council/community_highlights_for_december_2008-part_i-january_2009-part_ii/ http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9093153240.html |
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| 18:10.18 | wazd_n800 | I'm definitely too young to die! |
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| 18:10.50 | Stskeeps | wazd_n800: doomsday? :P |
| 18:10.53 | wazd_n800 | it's pitch black and sparkling with lightnings! |
| 18:11.22 | wazd_n800 | wait i'll send you a link to the webcam |
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| 18:20.32 | Zhilin_n800 | http://taganka.cpms.ru/cam.php?cam=6#cam |
| 18:20.46 | Zhilin_n800 | live from doomsday xD |
| 18:21.36 | Stskeeps | yeah, you're doomed |
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| 18:23.45 | RST38h | moo all |
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| 18:34.03 | RST38h | It has the same physical properties as any other normal basketball, but when inserted in a basketball hoop from above, Earth's gravitational pull ceases to function within a rectangle of 16.30 x 31.30 meters, which happens to be the official dimensions of a basketball court. |
| 18:34.03 | Stskeeps | what, the n900? |
| 18:34.04 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 18:56.27 | keesj | how much time does it take for a normal person to keep up with tmo? |
| 18:56.44 | keesj | is it like a 10Hours/day job? |
| 18:57.08 | Stskeeps | talk.maemo.org? depends on how deep you go in and how addictive a personality you have |
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| 19:02.40 | elninja | Anyone know if there are any scripts for the n810 to help locate the device in the event it's stolen? I'm thinking a script that tries connecting to any open wifi networks, and posting the coordinates to a php script on my site. |
| 19:03.02 | zakkm | elninja: you expect it to get stolen? |
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| 19:03.24 | zakkm | whoever steals it would make sure it gets flashed/ is off... a script wouldnt help very much |
| 19:03.27 | elninja | Nope, but it seems like it could easily have some nice functionality for tracking it down if it ever does. |
| 19:03.45 | zakkm | like if you steal a phone, you dont turn it on .. you dont have it on |
| 19:03.54 | chx | Autoposting pics from the webcam on every switch on would be even more useful |
| 19:04.00 | zakkm | you take out simcard/ etc.. and break them |
| 19:04.03 | chx | there have been people caught by such |
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| 19:04.40 | zakkm | there'd have to be bad thiefs to be honest |
| 19:05.10 | elninja | zakkm, most thieves are dumb and steal something because they have the opportunity, not because they know what they're doing. I usually boot from an SD card. If I set the default boot to the internal flash, and don't put a password on it, most thieves will probably just turn it on and try to use it. |
| 19:05.11 | chx | most pickpockets are not the sharpest knife in the drawer |
| 19:06.16 | zakkm | like the gps takes what like 10min to lock, and most of time it fails, they'd have to be using it for 10min |
| 19:06.37 | zakkm | and then even after that once you have it, what are you going to do? |
| 19:06.53 | zakkm | thats mine , they stole it? your story over theres |
| 19:07.13 | elninja | Most thieves wouldn't have the data cable or be familiar with the device well enough to flash it. If it works just fine, they probably will try to use it. |
| 19:07.32 | zakkm | you dont have to be familar with the device |
| 19:07.46 | chx | zakkm: my device has my name inside , somewhat hidden |
| 19:07.51 | zakkm | most thieves know theres tracking on most devices, gps's and such |
| 19:08.17 | chx | zakkm: anyone contesting the ownership of it would be in quite a situation to explain how the f* my name got inside. |
| 19:08.18 | zakkm | they wouldnt leave it on, might even have a friend who would know how to flash or soemthing |
| 19:08.37 | zakkm | im just saying its not necessary worth it |
| 19:09.12 | chx | i am new to the n810 -- is there a device pass? |
| 19:09.17 | chx | that would be good |
| 19:09.22 | zakkm | you can set a lock code |
| 19:09.24 | chx | for me, that'd be enough |
| 19:09.30 | zakkm | which cant be reflashed. |
| 19:09.37 | zakkm | and taken away |
| 19:10.04 | zakkm | although they can boot into mer, and use that.. but thats another story hah |
| 19:10.11 | qwerty12_N810 | chx: seen how easy it is to read? :) |
| 19:10.25 | chx | hm |
| 19:10.32 | chx | i plan to load sensitive shit on that device |
| 19:10.38 | zakkm | so encrypt it |
| 19:10.42 | chx | like my ssh privkey, email password and such |
| 19:10.49 | zakkm | bad ideaa ;p |
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| 19:11.07 | elninja | zakkm, that is always a possibility. however, I have seen a lot of retarded thieves and very few clever ones. If the script sits there unused, it costs me nothing. However, if it is stolen there is still the chance someone might turn it on. |
| 19:11.32 | zakkm | yeah but knowing you have it on there |
| 19:11.40 | elninja | How would they know? |
| 19:11.41 | zakkm | you would probably be more loose with the tablet |
| 19:11.50 | zakkm | oh theres security, its okay if its not secure in my pocket |
| 19:12.13 | zakkm | i dont know the proper name for it |
| 19:12.24 | elninja | I know what you're referring to. A false sense of security. |
| 19:12.30 | zakkm | yeahh |
| 19:12.32 | zakkm | that i think |
| 19:12.49 | zakkm | like right now, you probably guard it with your life sort of thing |
| 19:13.08 | zakkm | lets say the gps worked 100%... you'd think ahh it gets stolen, ill know exactly where it is, i can get it back |
| 19:13.16 | zakkm | i swear to you you wont secure it as much |
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| 19:14.01 | zakkm | its not so much a false sense of security, because it truly is security |
| 19:14.31 | zakkm | a false sense of security, is when there isnt any at all, and you think there is |
| 19:14.37 | zakkm | thats a little different |
| 19:15.39 | zakkm | in my opinion anywayss :) |
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| 19:20.14 | RST38h | ...controversial decision by Microsoft to block third party filter support in future versions of Windows media player... |
| 19:20.17 | RST38h | what??? |
| 19:20.36 | Stskeeps | heh |
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| 19:20.41 | Stskeeps | i stopped using WMP years ago |
| 19:20.49 | RST38h | same here |
| 19:20.54 | RST38h | but still |
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| 19:20.59 | qwerty12_N810 | mpc ftw |
| 19:21.26 | Firebird | youtube ftw |
| 19:21.37 | Noma | spotify ftw |
| 19:21.49 | Noma | (i don't support videos) |
| 19:22.54 | elninja | I would generally agree with that point, but I'm aware of it's limited use and know better than to expect anything out of it. It won't affect whether or not I leave it laying around, since I wouldn't want anyone else using it period and couldn't track it if lost. The script would run under the default OS, while I primarily boot from an external SD card. I just think it would be nice to have an extra safety feature. I've heard of pe |
| 19:22.54 | elninja | ople using software on laptops for the same thing, and I can't see this being any less effective than that. (which i know isn't saying much) |
| 19:23.16 | RST38h | By adding a media player /media center app Mozilla would screw MS really hard =) |
| 19:23.46 | RST38h | elninja: eh? |
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| 19:24.42 | elninja | that was to zakkm. lag... |
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| 19:35.30 | fiferboy | lbt: I think I have all the kinks worked out. I will send you the changes. |
| 19:35.38 | lbt | cool |
| 19:35.39 | fiferboy | lbt: Let me know what you think when you get a chance to try it out. |
| 19:35.44 | lbt | will do |
| 19:35.50 | lbt | Antonio was on earlier |
| 19:37.10 | fiferboy | Did you tell him about the finger scrolling progress? |
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| 19:39.12 | fiferboy | lbt: I just noticed I can access qabstractscrollarea_d from within QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller |
| 19:40.00 | fiferboy | That would mean assigning far fewer variables in ...PrivateScroller |
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| 19:53.47 | lbt | yes |
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| 20:04.40 | LiraNuna | anyone seen lcuk |
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| 20:05.15 | lcuk | he was around before, have you tried pinging him |
| 20:06.01 | LiraNuna | hehe, have you tried the w32 gcc I sent you? |
| 20:06.03 | fiferboy | lcuk: ping |
| 20:06.32 | lcuk | not yet LiraNuna, ive been upto my eyeballs in autotools on device |
| 20:06.38 | lcuk | and recovering my knackered mmc |
| 20:06.57 | LiraNuna | is there a native gcc on maemo? |
| 20:06.59 | lcuk | pong fiferboy |
| 20:07.01 | lcuk | yeah |
| 20:07.02 | LiraNuna | I can canadian cross it |
| 20:07.06 | LiraNuna | gcc 4.4 |
| 20:07.07 | lcuk | ive used it for ages now |
| 20:07.19 | lcuk | 3. something |
| 20:07.26 | LiraNuna | would you want a newer version? :) |
| 20:07.29 | lcuk | its from the sdk |
| 20:07.48 | lcuk | not really, that will come when i get a new device |
| 20:07.58 | lcuk | im happy with the way this one works etc ;) |
| 20:08.58 | LiraNuna | hehe |
| 20:09.02 | lcuk | but the windows version sounds intruiging - i have been generating .c template files for a couple of weeks now from win |
| 20:09.04 | lbt | fiferboy: you can |
| 20:09.12 | lcuk | if i could automatically build them whilst im there it would be cool |
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| 20:09.31 | fiferboy | lbt: I can what? |
| 20:09.43 | lbt | access qabstractscrollarea_d from within QAbstractScrollAreaPrivateScroller |
| 20:10.00 | fiferboy | Excellent. That makes life easier. |
| 20:10.46 | lbt | http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C%2B%2B#Using_a_d-Pointer |
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| 20:11.38 | lbt | also when I spoke to Antonio he was very positive about getting it into Qt |
| 20:13.28 | fiferboy | Getting finger scrolling into Qt? |
| 20:14.00 | lbt | yes |
| 20:14.31 | fiferboy | Into just the Hildon build, or into the core? |
| 20:14.47 | fiferboy | I wonder if there will be any interest going forward of having finger scrolling available on other platforms |
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| 20:48.18 | hub | what's is a decent music player app for the N800? |
| 20:53.27 | lardman | hub: built in one...? |
| 20:53.40 | hub | lardman: I said decent. |
| 20:53.45 | hub | that exclude that one |
| 20:53.45 | lardman | lol |
| 20:53.51 | lardman | what do you need extras? |
| 20:53.59 | hub | that it actually find my music |
| 20:54.04 | hub | and support Ogg metadata |
| 20:54.11 | hub | and that is UI be actually useful |
| 20:54.16 | lardman | ah, the wonders of ogg |
| 20:54.29 | lardman | that I don't know then, sorry |
| 20:54.52 | hub | if only the source was available, I could attempt to salvage it |
| 20:54.55 | lardman | I've grown to love the built in one, as I use mp3s, and as everything else sucks juice |
| 20:55.07 | lardman | hub: yep, 'tis true |
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| 20:55.25 | hub | I don't care about juice |
| 20:55.28 | hub | it is on AC all the time |
| 20:55.50 | lardman | try something like Canola, it should be able to use an mplayer backend |
| 20:56.03 | lardman | and I guess it can parse the ogg metadata too, but I don't know |
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| 20:58.54 | hub | I guess I'll see if that confirm what I think of the use of Python |
| 20:59.16 | hub | last time I tried to start a python app on Maemo I waited forever |
| 20:59.28 | hub | and I thought that AbiWord was already bloated ;-) |
| 20:59.55 | lardman | canola isn't too bad, but it kills your battery |
| 21:00.07 | lardman | which isn't a problem for you |
| 21:00.19 | hub | and the RAM |
| 21:00.23 | hub | which is a problem |
| 21:00.41 | lardman | yeah, I don't tend to do other stuff at the same time, so I wouldn't know |
| 21:01.38 | lcuk | mafw is coming soon :) expect 1000000000001 new media players.. |
| 21:01.55 | lardman | all good |
| 21:02.01 | lardman | just need some new hw to go with it ;) |
| 21:02.13 | lcuk | indeed, was tempting to run at weekend :O |
| 21:02.21 | lcuk | lbt tried to pocket one as well i believe lol |
| 21:02.36 | lbt | yeah... :( |
| 21:02.48 | lardman | :D |
| 21:03.13 | hub | *sigh* |
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| 21:03.58 | hub | GPE Audio Player get a fail :-( |
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| 21:06.30 | lardman | hates having to finish writing reports the day before he goes on honeymoon |
| 21:06.36 | lardman | not that it happens often |
| 21:07.01 | hub | finishing reports? |
| 21:07.21 | lardman | yeah, yearly reporting stuff |
| 21:08.13 | hub | so the honeymoon happens more often? ;-) |
| 21:08.50 | lardman | lol, no |
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| 21:10.44 | lcuk | lbt - i just thought this was you until i looked up! |
| 21:10.48 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7aYuJHH3Do |
| 21:11.55 | lardman | lcuk apparently has Nokia related YouTube videos on constant shuffle in the background.... |
| 21:12.02 | lardman | ;) |
| 21:12.20 | lcuk | ciroip, mentioned him - i started listening whilst coding |
| 21:12.23 | lbt | heh... no sound |
| 21:12.32 | lcuk | god lbt - its your voice! |
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| 21:12.35 | lcuk | and ive just left you |
| 21:12.43 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:12.54 | lbt | hey.... I'm using it |
| 21:13.50 | lcuk | heh |
| 21:14.04 | lcuk | your hair has grown significantly since the weekend aswell |
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| 21:15.31 | Stskeeps | lcuk: that's a massive beard |
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| 21:18.36 | ciroip | Wibree, Nokia's new standard, to replace Bluetooth |
| 21:20.09 | hub | looks like Media Box at least cut it |
| 21:20.13 | hub | to some extent |
| 21:20.14 | lardman | too much to do, /me grabs a glass of wine and hits the sofa |
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| 21:27.12 | Proteous | goddamnit nokia, ship me my phone plz |
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| 21:31.05 | RST38h | Ho ho ho |
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| 21:31.11 | RST38h | Found a memory corruption |
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| 21:40.28 | Proteous | you can't remember what you had for dinner last night? |
| 21:41.53 | hub | will mafw support Ogg-Vorbis? |
| 21:44.21 | Jaffa | hub: MAFW doesn't "support" any fformat AIUI; it provides playlistt mgmt and a player API over gstreamer |
| 21:45.18 | hub | so will they support Ogg-Vorbis by default too? |
| 21:46.08 | Jaffa | Do you mean, "will Nokia ship Ogg Vorbis support for gstreamer in a Maemo 5 device?"? |
| 21:46.57 | Jaffa | If so, I dunno - there's an issue for it in bugzilla (may have been closed as community provided support for diablo) |
| 21:48.15 | hub | Jaffa: the issue is still open |
| 21:48.17 | hub | most votes |
| 21:48.23 | hub | most voted |
| 21:48.28 | hub | and in the bug jar everytime |
| 21:49.56 | hub | I guess the answer is no |
| 21:50.00 | hub | or it would have been closed |
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| 21:50.53 | Jaffa | Fair enough |
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| 21:57.55 | lardman|drinking | hub: as all audio decoders are going to run on the ARM, there should be no real issue |
| 21:58.26 | hub | lardman|drinking: as long as it is not shipped by default, it is an issue |
| 21:58.28 | lardman|drinking | I hope/trust that adding in support for the meta-data will also be easier with MAFW too |
| 21:58.53 | lardman | well, there are supposed problems with shipping ogg support |
| 21:58.56 | lardman | legal ones |
| 21:59.34 | Jaffa | hub: Why? The device is supposed to be enhanced by installing extra stuff. As long as there are ways (gstreamer, MAFW) of integrating seamlesssly... |
| 21:59.45 | lardman | or at least that's my understanding of why work was stopped on the dsp tasks for the n8x0 devices |
| 21:59.46 | hub | lardman: that's why they ship it with Navicore and other stuff |
| 22:00.06 | hub | Jaffa: that's a foolish argument |
| 22:00.11 | Jaffa | It's not like Aunt Jane is going to have a library of OV music and be incapable of opening the App Mgr |
| 22:00.12 | hub | Jaffa: it is supposed to work as is |
| 22:00.14 | lardman | don;t ask me! :) |
| 22:00.42 | lardman | hub: most people use mp3. |
| 22:00.42 | Jaffa | hub: "it"? |
| 22:00.50 | hub | Jaffa: the device |
| 22:00.56 | hub | lardman: and? |
| 22:01.04 | hub | lardman: most people don't even need the device |
| 22:01.07 | Jaffa | And it does work for what it's advertisied to do |
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| 22:01.49 | lardman | hub: well, I'd like to launch rockets with the device, but I bet it won't come ready to do that out of the box: catering for the majority |
| 22:01.53 | Jaffa | I don't complain that netcat isn't shipped as std, I just install it. Same for Gnumeric, same for MSN in IM system, same for... |
| 22:02.07 | hub | lardman: it is a chicken and egg problem. if there is no support, there is no reason to use |
| 22:02.28 | lardman | yeah fair enough, but that philosphy, not really relevant here |
| 22:02.29 | hub | lardman: so far the logic is flawed |
| 22:02.37 | lardman | not at all |
| 22:02.41 | hub | anyway |
| 22:02.49 | lardman | what % of users will use ogg, put it like that |
| 22:03.13 | hub | lardman: again chicken and egg problem |
| 22:03.25 | lardman | I fully agree that it should be nice and easy to add support mind you, I just don't think that it should necessarily come ready to go out fo the box |
| 22:03.26 | hub | lardman: maybe we should all buy an iphone |
| 22:03.33 | hub | the % that can't run itunes is SMALL |
| 22:03.47 | Jaffa | hub: Why should Nokia solve the chicken & egg problem? |
| 22:03.56 | lardman | difference between can't/don't and can/do of course |
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| 22:04.09 | hub | Jaffa: because in that case it is support from device that will allow the increase |
| 22:04.39 | hub | while it is true that the Jobs-Pod undermine the effort |
| 22:04.49 | lardman | hub: deciding to use ogg is a choice really, and if someone decides to go that route, I agree it should be easy to use it |
| 22:04.58 | hub | but anyway we disagree I'm fine with that |
| 22:05.00 | hub | I was just asking |
| 22:05.01 | Jaffa | And what is the business case for Nokia increasing the adoption of OV, if they provide mechanisms for the interested community to solve the problem? |
| 22:05.36 | lardman | no, I don't disagree, I tried quite hard to port tremor to the DSP, I'm just realistic about what we should expect, and I don't use ogg ;) |
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| 22:07.12 | hub | that's probably why I haven't bought a music player |
| 22:07.15 | hub | so far |
| 22:07.35 | hub | (I didn't pay for the n800, nor the 770) |
| 22:08.14 | hub | getting a 810 was tempting but the Ogg vorbis b.s. refreined me from giving money to nokia for that |
| 22:08.30 | hub | anyway |
| 22:08.51 | lardman | I'd be interested to know if the legal issue still stands; if not, I agree with you that a vorbis gstreamer task should either ship, or be automatically installed when a user wants to play .oggs |
| 22:08.57 | hub | I was just try to gather some info |
| 22:09.01 | hub | not start a flamewar |
| 22:09.24 | lardman | nah don;t worry about that, we're constantly flameproof aren't we Jaffa :) |
| 22:09.25 | hub | lardman: the legal issue does not stand. but coming from one of the stakeholder of patent on MPEG* is not surprising |
| 22:09.56 | hub | lardman: the FUD that Nokia employees did on the HTML-WHATWG about the HTML5 video and audio support is a proof |
| 22:09.58 | Jaffa | lardman: indeed :) |
| 22:10.05 | lardman | hub: there was some legal justification, an even if it probably won't stand, Nokia's a big company and liable to be sued |
| 22:10.24 | hub | lardman: as long as the proof is not given (give the patent #) it is void |
| 22:10.31 | hub | lardman: it is just gratuitous |
| 22:10.40 | lardman | your view is shortsighted |
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| 22:10.47 | hub | lardman: no it is not |
| 22:10.48 | Jaffa | Also, one lawyer's interpretation of risk/law doesn't neccesarily correspond to Nokia's laywers' ;-) |
| 22:11.00 | lardman | realistically for a bif company, they want to look at value provided for a given risk |
| 22:11.02 | hub | they do ship it |
| 22:11.07 | hub | really |
| 22:11.08 | lardman | I guess ogg doesn't cut it there |
| 22:11.25 | hub | check "navicore" which is from Nokia |
| 22:11.27 | lardman | yes, but that shipping wasn't there software |
| 22:11.28 | hub | it has Ogg playback |
| 22:11.32 | hub | it is Nokia |
| 22:11.33 | lardman | s/there/their |
| 22:11.42 | lardman | wasn't when it was written mind you |
| 22:11.50 | hub | and? |
| 22:12.00 | hub | it just proof that the risk isn't |
| 22:12.08 | lardman | it also encapsulates the playback, which probably mitagates the risk |
| 22:12.08 | hub | because it is the same |
| 22:12.55 | lardman | I think providing codecs to allow people to play their own ogg files, assuming there is some patent problem, would be worse than using it in some inherited software |
| 22:12.55 | Jaffa | There are three possible reasons for no OOB OV playback in gstreamer (and hence Media Player): 1) Nokia don't see it worth their investment, but have no other reasons (practical) |
| 22:13.17 | Jaffa | 2) Nokia as a corp has a policy of FUD against OV (fundamental) |
| 22:13.19 | hub | lardman: nope |
| 22:13.45 | hub | Jaffa: 2) is the most probable. as 1) has even been solved for them |
| 22:13.54 | Jaffa | 3) Nokia's laywers don't want to expose OV to end users for perceived legal reasons (legal) |
| 22:14.08 | lardman | I go for 3) |
| 22:14.31 | Jaffa | hub: Community writing code is a long way from shipping and supporting it as part of a consumer product |
| 22:14.53 | hub | 3 and 2 are the same |
| 22:15.02 | lardman | no |
| 22:15.21 | Jaffa | would order 3, 1, 2. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by well, anything |
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| 22:15.25 | lardman | one is a choice to not support open source, the other is a problem with possible exposure from a legal threat |
| 22:16.13 | hub | Jaffa: Nokia employees comment on the HTML-WHATWG for HTML5 prove that 2 is on top |
| 22:16.14 | lardman | large companies' legal departments are, after all, somewhat slow on the uptake |
| 22:16.34 | lardman | what is HTML-WHATWG? |
| 22:16.40 | lardman | goes to google |
| 22:16.48 | hub | the working group for HTML5 |
| 22:17.08 | hub | maybe I got the acronym letters wromng |
| 22:17.11 | lardman | can you give me a linky to the comment please? |
| 22:17.12 | hub | let me find the link |
| 22:17.20 | lardman | nah the letters are right |
| 22:17.26 | hub | http://www.whatwg.org/ |
| 22:17.32 | Jaffa | hub: Did he say "It is Nokia policy to undermine Ogg at any opportunity"? If not, you're expressing your intepretation as fact |
| 22:18.09 | hub | Jaffa: he said he was opposed to the specification of Ogg Vorbis/Theora as a baseline codec for HTML5 |
| 22:18.17 | hub | bottom line there is none |
| 22:18.19 | lardman | ah, this is about the standardisation of media formats stuff? |
| 22:18.24 | hub | Apple added their own |
| 22:18.37 | hub | lardman: about HTML and in that case the video and audio support |
| 22:18.56 | hub | but coming from Apple, not surprising either |
| 22:19.24 | Jaffa | hub: That doesn't mean Nokia have a policy of FUD against OV/T; it means he saw there were reasons (one of the 3 above) to not mandate it as a baseline in HTML5 |
| 22:19.49 | lardman | anyway we're talking about vorbis really aren't we, not ogg as that's just the container |
| 22:20.02 | Jaffa | lardman: *nods* |
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| 22:20.18 | hub | Jaffa: their whitepaper called Ogg-Vorbis "proprietary" |
| 22:20.35 | lardman | yes, I have also heard about that |
| 22:20.38 | hub | lardman: I said Ogg Vorbis / Theora |
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| 22:20.56 | Jaffa | hub: true |
| 22:20.57 | lardman | due to some hanging legal threats to the allegedly un-patent-encombered format |
| 22:21.18 | hub | also as the risk, it should be noted that even MPEG-4 there is no guarantee from the MPEG-LA that all the patent needed are licensed in the package |
| 22:21.23 | hub | which open the same risk |
| 22:21.43 | hub | so the argument does not stick either |
| 22:21.48 | hub | IANAL (btw) |
| 22:21.59 | Jaffa | Similar risk, not necessarily same consequence |
| 22:22.02 | lardman | ah, but the companies pay someone to license the patent/sw. and that company takes on the risk then |
| 22:22.10 | hub | Jaffa: why not the same consequence? |
| 22:23.16 | lardman | therefore any legal challenge/compensation claim would consume the licensor first, giving some protection |
| 22:23.33 | Jaffa | If there's a risk of getting sued for patent A, and a risk of getting sued for patent B - the consequnce is the monetary exposure; which could be different depending on whoowns A & B, and to what relationships/counter-patents you have with them |
| 22:24.28 | Jaffa | hub:Nokia aren't actively blocking us doing OV, so I think it could be a fine device for you, if you want mobile OV |
| 22:25.02 | hub | Jaffa: given how bad is the player on the N800 it surely didn't convince me |
| 22:25.03 | lardman | the other factor, re exposure to suing, is that lots of companies have licensed mp3 from Fauenhoffer (or whateve they are called) and not been sued, so it's a fair bet that Nokia won't be either |
| 22:25.23 | hub | lardman: anybody can sue anybody. |
| 22:25.31 | lardman | whereas using the non-licensed vorbis codec means anyone could sue you |
| 22:25.48 | lardman | hub: not really, it would be pushed to the licensor |
| 22:26.23 | hub | lardman: so you want somebody to ask money for Ogg-Vorbis when there is no patent associated? |
| 22:26.27 | Jaffa | hub: Right, but that's a seperate reason to "no OV OOtB" |
| 22:26.29 | hub | lardman: maybe I should ask mone then |
| 22:26.32 | lardman | and it's the fact that no-one has tried yet, despite the big and tasty fish using it |
| 22:26.40 | hub | but like MPEG-LA, no guarantee |
| 22:26.55 | hub | lardman: read the licensing agreement and the disclaimers associated |
| 22:27.19 | lardman | I'm not trying to persuade you, just giving you some reasons that may indicate why it happened |
| 22:28.04 | hub | I was not asking excuse |
| 22:28.18 | hub | I was just asking, from people who have info, if it would be supported |
| 22:28.26 | hub | you all tried to find excuse |
| 22:28.32 | hub | I couldn't care less |
| 22:28.44 | lardman | I believe it will not be supported out of the box |
| 22:29.01 | lardman | but, I think it should be easy to add the components to make it work |
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| 22:29.13 | lardman | i.e. more easily than with the current player |
| 22:29.20 | lardman | c'est tout |
| 22:29.21 | Jaffa | hub: I'm sure if you gave Nokia lots of money in a big contract, they'd tell you - under NDA - if it's reason 2 or 3. If it's purely practical, someone from Nokia may answer |
| 22:29.41 | hub | Jaffa: money, things I don't have |
| 22:30.17 | Jaffa | hub: asking a general question on IRC isn't necessairly going to get the attention of a Nokian in a position to answer. |
| 22:30.31 | hub | I didn't ask for the excuse |
| 22:30.44 | hub | I asked whether it was there or not |
| 22:30.57 | hub | but that I have had the answer a while back |
| 22:31.19 | Jaffa | Yeah, which is "we don't know; probably not" |
| 22:31.30 | lardman | I quote: |
| 22:31.32 | lardman | [lardman|drinking] hub: as all audio decoders are going to run on the ARM, there should be no real issue |
| 22:31.32 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:31.43 | lardman | and so it started |
| 22:31.48 | Jaffa | Then we explained - with the benefit of our experience - why the 'not' miight be |
| 22:31.49 | hub | lardman: true and I stick to that opinion |
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| 22:32.06 | lardman | we've tried to tell you why we think it's happened, nothing more or less |
| 22:32.39 | hub | *why we think* <- speculation |
| 22:32.43 | hub | as gratuitous as mine :-) |
| 22:32.47 | lardman | indeed |
| 22:33.03 | lardman | but I've spoken to more people than you have related to ogg vorbis on the Nokia tablets |
| 22:33.19 | Jaffa | hub: Excpet you used phrases like "prove" |
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| 22:34.35 | Jaffa | Which doesn't imply opinion. And "It is an issue" isn't the same as "It''s an issue for me, as I require vendors for consumer electronics to ship Ogg vorbis support out-of-the-box; rather than as a third-party add-on available through the pkging system" |
| 22:36.05 | lardman | is more interested to know if the French will try to find that black box |
| 22:36.29 | lardman | and is crossing his fingers it'd not an Airbus on Friday... ;) |
| 22:36.49 | Jaffa | been on a few cross-Atlantic A330s |
| 22:36.57 | Jaffa | lardman: congrats btw! |
| 22:37.04 | lardman | Thanks :) |
| 22:37.28 | lardman | amazed the weather held out actually :) |
| 22:38.28 | lardman | lol @ France's minister responsible for transportation: "The sea currents are powerful that far down" as justification for why the black box may not be recovered |
| 22:40.12 | lardman | Anyway hub, when the next device turns up I'll be more than happy to help with adding ogg-vorbis support if it's not already included (which I doubt) |
| 22:40.54 | hub | lardman: I doubt I'll buy it |
| 22:41.17 | lardman | Do Archos support ogg out of the box? |
| 22:42.24 | wazd | it supports it for money |
| 22:42.35 | lardman | ah ok, interesting |
| 22:42.59 | lardman | building up a counter-sue fund perhaps :) |
| 22:42.59 | wazd | wanna new wallpaper - pay, wanna new format - pay :) |
| 22:43.09 | lardman | yeah, I knew that :) |
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| 22:48.32 | lardman | hey derf |
| 22:48.45 | lardman | just missed one of your favoutite topics, vorbis support :) |
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| 22:49.06 | lardman | needs a spell checker on his irc client |
| 22:50.10 | mavhc | you need spellie |
| 22:50.39 | lardman | for xchat though I guess? |
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| 23:02.55 | lardman | night all |
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| 23:33.00 | GAN8001 | chuckles. |
| 23:33.10 | GAN8001 | Ogg provides endless entertainment. |
| 23:36.09 | Proteous | OGG SMASH |
| 23:37.11 | jaska | heh |
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| 23:42.57 | GAN8001 | Geneven well and truly has lost it. |
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| 23:51.36 | GAN8001 | keesj, about an 1 a day. |
| 23:51.42 | GAN8001 | Most of the stuff you can skim or skip. |
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